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| FIQ | is there anything available that allows me to customize the icons at the top? like removing stuff I don't need to know etc | 00:21 |
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| tadzik | icons at the top? | 00:21 |
| FIQ | (mostly the "no SIM" icon) | 00:21 |
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| FIQ | alternatively hack it away using a transparent image :D | 00:22 |
| RiD | ^yes | 00:22 |
| FIQ | well custom themes allows they to change | 00:23 |
| FIQ | so if it's impossible to do properly... | 00:23 |
| FIQ | then at least replacing with a transparent image would work, no? | 00:23 |
| RiD | custom themes allow them to change? | 00:24 |
| FIQ | I believe so? | 00:24 |
| RiD | you mean changing the image, or hiding the icon? (as in truthfully hiding it, not transparent image) | 00:24 |
| FIQ | they don't? | 00:24 |
| RiD | because sure, you can change the image | 00:24 |
| FIQ | yeah i know | 00:25 |
| FIQ | but can I hide it properly? | 00:25 |
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| RiD | Now that's a question I can't answer :P | 00:25 |
| FIQ | because I already know that I have no SIM, and wont place any inside anytime soon | 00:26 |
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| MrPingu | chem|st: Still need someone without python-support installed? | 00:29 |
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| MrPingu | Anyway here it is: http://pastebin.com/a0xSxTuf | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: you can change a lot of those icons and decide to remove them. Not though for the phone icon afaik (noSIM, Network-2G/3G) | 00:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's the one icon that has hardcoded location and this can't get removed iirc | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus* | 00:55 |
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| FIQ | why did it have to be the phone icon :( | 01:01 |
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| RiD | but he can still change it, no? | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | searching my bookmarks (starts to be a PITA meanwhile): http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Special-0 (phone signal), and Special-1 (battery icon) go before those<< | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks to mentalist traceur and MohammadAG | 01:33 |
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| FIQ | ty DocScrutinizer05 | 01:53 |
| FIQ | hm commented away cellular thing and killed hildon-desktop, didn't seem to do much | 01:54 |
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| FIQ | ... | 01:56 |
| FIQ | turns out it was just another process (not a child of hildon-desktop as I thought) but commenting it away just made it appear last lol | 01:57 |
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| cjdavies | is there any danger in trying to empty the N900 battery to give it a nice big charge the next time? | 02:19 |
| cjdavies | eg, run it until the phone literally turns off | 02:19 |
| cjdavies | by cat'ing /dev/urandom or something to hammer the CPU | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: yep, it's a bitch. If you dare to mess up numbering sequence (sparse voids) or otherwise do sth that's not looking 'nice' to the systemui-statusbar-foo-whatever, the results are at best surprising | 02:45 |
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| FIQ | cjdavies: if you for some reason want to empty it for real, vanilla maemo isn't enough as it turns n900 off when battery is at critical level | 02:47 |
| FIQ | but then I believe n900 wont charge it | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: see my bq27k-calibrate shellscript | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cjdavies: but basically nope, there's no danger in discharging N900 until it shuts down (since that's been your original question) | 02:50 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: getting battery to show percent needs calibration, doesn't it? | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: with Pali's new stuff yes | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he relies on bq27200 | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usual classical bme doesn't | 02:51 |
| Drathir | hi all... i have small question where i can find leatest repos address and new not expired keys? | 02:51 |
| FIQ | I suppose calibration doesn't work in practice if you use 2 batteries? | 02:51 |
| FIQ | (assuming they don't work identical) | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, swapping batteries is a big partypooper for calibration | 02:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: hi | 02:52 |
| FIQ | then I guess I'll be unable to get battery to show percent | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: new keys are hardly found anywhere | 02:52 |
| FIQ | (well I would anyway as I believe calibration needs you to charge the device...) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: just ignore the warnings | 02:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: what's been your other question? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | latest repo? what does that mean? | 02:53 |
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| Drathir | looking for latest nokia n900 repsitory too | 02:54 |
| FIQ | um | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are basically 3 repos: extras, extras-testing, extras-devel | 02:54 |
| FIQ | why would you ever switch it? | 02:54 |
| Drathir | but correc mem if i wrong if keys expiret that repository dont upgrade? | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for 'leet new' stuff you want extras-devel | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, HAM doesn't care, just throws warnings | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually apt does | 02:55 |
| FIQ | Drathir: sounds like symbian policy | 02:55 |
| FIQ | refuse install in case there's no or missing cert | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: please elaborate on what you're planning to do | 02:56 |
| Drathir | FIQ: not really switch i thinking this repository changed some time or all time be the same? | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: stuff on maemo might not always be like you expect it to | 02:56 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: does HAM even say anything about it? | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually nope | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get update does | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: for example, apt-get dist-upgrade is an absolute NOGO | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I ask what you plan to do | 02:58 |
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| Drathir | i just have new n900 andi think to refresh becase i think earlier user dont change anything when buy it and that be sme time ago... | 02:58 |
| FIQ | also I don't get what HAM tries to tell me if it gives a "(null)" warning right before an install | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: see | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 02:58 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 02:58 |
| infobot | i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you shall be pretty up to date and happy after that | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: btw, welcome on board! :-D | 02:59 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: thanks a lot also look there... | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: don't get scared by occasional bickering, stay with us and you'll have a good time, if you love linux | 03:00 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: welcome all too | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: again, since it seems you're a newbe. You should give your N900 a full reflash, to eradicate any remnants of previous owner. Check http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware for that, come here if any problems. Then after you succeeded, you probbaly wanna come here asking what to do next | 03:03 |
| Drathir | i planning take from n900 all what can do 4me and starting to looking for differences with real pc linux... first experience is amazing for me but mark thats is clean untouched... i scare what can do with optimised and tweaked n900... | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: a) don't feel scared, you can't "brick" N900 (well you can, if you know the very special magic spell, but that won't happen by accident) | 03:05 |
| Drathir | yes i love linux but if i good hear is a little chance to totally kill n900 but i dont know it is true or not... | 03:05 |
| Drathir | ok is true ^^ | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | b) maemo probably has some surprises for you, if you're used to 'standard' linux | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so better come here and ask before you do anything you *think* should work, like apt-get dist-upgrade | 03:07 |
| FIQ | Drathir: killing N900 is not easy to do through firmware | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: read ~flash carefully, it has a lot of info | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you've finished, re-read | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *all* | 03:08 |
| FIQ | assuming you don't bring a hammer or anything non-firmware, you simply can't kill it unless you try really hard | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | once you've read ~flashing, come here to ask how to proceed. we're basically a nicew bunch here, always happy to welcome newbies | 03:10 |
| Drathir | im not very pro but in past using ubuntu,debian and the latest include now using archlinux... and when i thinking that i have linux in pocket that is nice... | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the spirit :-) | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go read ~flash | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 03:10 |
| infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:10 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok i will not do dist-upgrade | 03:11 |
| FIQ | tbh n900 is what got me into linux for real, I hadn't really played around with it much before | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then set up your linux PC for flashing your N900 and come here again | 03:11 |
| mad_dev | general q: how often should i reboot, in terms of uptime? | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here's always at least a dozen experienced users happy to guide a newbie thru first steps :-) | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mad_dev: my t900 has an uptime of... | 03:13 |
| FIQ | mad_dev: you don't need to reboot just to reboot | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | t900:~# uptime | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 02:26:36 up 23 days, 4:15, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh!!! | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it been like 190 days before | 03:13 |
| mad_dev | wow | 03:13 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: is possible that i have latest firmvare onboard than site show? | 03:13 |
| FIQ | my n900's uptime rarely exceeds a few hours nowdays, but when microusb worked, it was usually on for a few weeks before reboots :p | 03:14 |
| FIQ | *between | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: please rephrase | 03:14 |
| mad_dev | FIQ: does it slow down? | 03:15 |
| FIQ | mad_dev: I believe there is a footprint of having it on a long time, but it's minimal | 03:15 |
| FIQ | and not noticeable | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: no matter what's your current firmware version, you *want* to do a full reflash (combined & vanilla) on a freshly purchased N900 | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: you also want to learn how to do reflash, since you shouldn't be afraid to do that, and have done it before so you know it's easy | 03:16 |
| FIQ | takes less than one minute once you're used to it | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's really painless | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so read | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 03:18 |
| infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and get used to it, so you know what you don't nneed to do biut always *could* do | 03:18 |
| mad_dev | remember to hold U....it got me the first time. | 03:18 |
| FIQ | (and if you actually keep the binaries afterwards) | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, you wanna create a dir on your PC for N900-related stuff | 03:19 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok i think it is possible that i have latest n900 firmware tnan nokia site show? i must check the code back for a second... | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is possible, but - as explained before - irrelevant | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want to do a full reflash right now | 03:20 |
| FIQ | Drathir: it's possible that you have the latest fw right now yes, but you don't want to continue use it before reflash | 03:20 |
| FIQ | as it isn't new | 03:20 |
| FIQ | to erase stuff from previous owner | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you want to clean your device to virgin state, and you wanna learn how easy and convenient the process is | 03:20 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: why does vanilla make system unbootable btw? doesn't make sense to me | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vanilla nukes /opt | 03:22 |
| FIQ | (i.e. flashing vanilla and then not flash combined) | 03:22 |
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| FIQ | hm | 03:22 |
| FIQ | but combined doesn't touch /opt, does it? | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does! a lot | 03:23 |
| FIQ | hmm ok | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | but it does not remove any stuff | 03:23 |
| mad_dev | Drathir: just do it...update to latest CSSU...and enjoy it | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | only loads the defaults again | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it cleans out opt to empty state, then runs one-time-optificatrion | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | that's the difference | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: rly`? | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 03:23 |
| FIQ | I thought it just reset rootfs | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | doesn't it leave the old stuff behind? | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | combined cleans /opt | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only on first-boot | 03:24 |
| merlin1991 | ah well you learn somehting new each day :) | 03:24 |
| FIQ | "only on first boot" | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why you mustn't boot device after combined flashing, before flashing vanilla | 03:25 |
| FIQ | then I can't see why you need to do combined+vanilla+combined | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather: flash combined (again) after vanilla | 03:25 |
| FIQ | (the third part) | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 03:26 |
| FIQ | well.. don't boot then? :p | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not that simple | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and thus only for "experts" | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flash | 03:27 |
| infobot | maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3 seconds are more than enough to spoil things | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you wanna flash vanilla *after* combined, you have to make sure it doesn't boot for 0.01 seconds | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply flash combined again after vanilla | 03:28 |
| mad_dev | Drathir: always, always backup your data....always | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and reboot does't care anymore | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mad_dev: he has no data yet to backup | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sheß | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 03:29 |
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| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: hmmm ok | 03:29 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: just a general reminder | 03:29 |
| FIQ | sounds as bad design of the process | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mad_dev: pretty ok | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: optification is a botch | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but a botch you can live with if you understand the implications | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 03:33 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 03:33 |
| Drathir | ok im back | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: get flasher-3.5, *combined* LATEST (preferably international version), and *vanilla* | 03:34 |
| FIQ | i find it odd that n900 emulates gba better than gb(c) due to lack of good gbc emulator | 03:35 |
| Drathir | mad_dev: i think to do rsync with my home server... | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: I'll share a site once you got your device flashed. it has all you need for rsync | 03:35 |
| mad_dev | Drathir: even better | 03:36 |
| FIQ | (not odd due to not logical, but due to the fact that apparently none decided to do any better emulator than vgb, which has audio issues making it unbearable, and also isn't fullspeed) | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: most imprtant with flashing: don't forget to blacklist cdc_phonet | 03:40 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: whats cdc_phonet? | 03:40 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: what's the purpose of the module? | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a kernel module on PC that spoils the soup | 03:41 |
| FIQ | but why does it exist? | 03:41 |
| merlin1991 | I dunno what dist Doc runs but neither on buntkuh nor on debian does that module spoil the fun | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: purpose: enable apps to connect *directly* to N900 modem | 03:41 |
| FIQ | merlin1991: it did on arch | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plug in N900 via usb. do `lsmod|grep phonet`. If any hits, you got a problem and need to blacklist cdc_phonet | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | find /usr -name '*phonet*' | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/usr/lib/ | 03:45 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: find /lib -name '*phonet*' | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FYI: /lib/modules/3.1.10-1.16-desktop/kernel/drivers/net/usb/cdc-phonet.ko | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that *does* spoil stuff | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one of the most useless kernel modules I ever seen, on a x86 | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: btw, you dunno which distro I run? seriously? openSuse | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: we're all waiting for the mega-event | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 03:52 |
| FIQ | ? | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-11-12 18:16:17] <Skry> I stopped watching a movie to follow this, it's like watching someone giving a birth. | 03:52 |
| FIQ | :p | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we have a quite nice number of new users lately | 03:53 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: more like delivering :) | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo never dies | 03:55 |
| FIQ | as long as there are working Nxx0 devices | 03:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 figures in 10 years they build N900 clones like they do today for Amiga | 03:55 | |
| FIQ | hm | 03:56 |
| FIQ | there are still people who appreatice Newton | 03:56 |
| FIQ | ...the device | 03:56 |
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| FIQ | appareatice* (maybe?) | 03:56 |
| Drathir | ok i check my version is 21.2011.38-1 | 03:57 |
| FIQ | isn't the newest 20.2011.36-2? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: appreciate? | 03:58 |
| FIQ | er | 03:58 |
| FIQ | 20.2010.36-2 even | 03:58 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: yes that | 03:58 |
| FIQ | ty | 03:58 |
| FIQ | am I outdated...? | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: as mentioned before, your current version is basically irrelevant | 03:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: though I quite understand you wanna make friend with your new shiny cute N900 first, I still suggest you take the challenge to flash it before you do *anything* with it | 04:01 |
| mad_dev | Drathir: do you mean the current OR the one you downloaded? | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't think of that | 04:02 |
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| FIQ | is my version outdated (less than PR1.3.x)? | 04:03 |
| mad_dev | Drathir: ?? | 04:03 |
| FIQ | he's away | 04:03 |
| FIQ | (according to ircd at least) | 04:03 |
| mad_dev | ooh | 04:03 |
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| mad_dev | how many n900's were made? | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some 100k to some mio | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* I recall reding they sold 500k in first 8 weeks | 04:06 |
| mad_dev | how much are registered in maemo.org | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody is registering his device in maemo.org | 04:07 |
| FIQ | you can register the device on maemo.org? | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno how many users are registered | 04:07 |
| mad_dev | i ment users who claim to have n900 | 04:08 |
| FIQ | oh | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know how many users are registered at tmo | 04:08 |
| FIQ | fair enough | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seem to recall a number like 15k for tmo | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be totally wrong though | 04:09 |
| FIQ | userid should tell something | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find a recently registered user | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see what ID he got | 04:10 |
| SpeedEvil | half of tmo is socks though | 04:11 |
| FIQ | i'm not registered recently really but mine is in the 37k range | 04:11 |
| mad_dev | SpeedEvil: socks?? | 04:12 |
| FIQ | SpeedEvil: there are also many people with spare devices | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | sockpuppets | 04:12 |
| FIQ | alts basically | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi SpeedEvil | 04:12 |
| mad_dev | oh | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | :-) | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 50% socks still is >15k | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>mine is in the 37k range | 04:13 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05: I joined 2010 | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 04:14 |
| FIQ | so it's way more than 15k :P | 04:14 |
| FIQ | (most likely) | 04:14 |
| FIQ | http://talk.maemo.org/memberlist.php | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IDs are not recycled | 04:15 |
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| FIQ | check that list | 04:15 |
| FIQ | or rather the pagenav | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Showing results 1 to 30 of 57859<< | 04:15 |
| FIQ | yeah | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 15k still sounds realistic | 04:16 |
| merlin1991 | well there's surely some spambots amongst them :) | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe 25k by now | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which would match the statistical amount of users (percentage) that actually register at some forum or the like | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd not believe the 90%..99% not bothering | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the lurkers that don't ever show uo anywhere | 04:18 |
| FIQ | maemo isn't a generic smartphone | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 25k * 100 sounds about correct | 04:19 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: atleast we have each other | 04:19 |
| FIQ | s/maemo/n900/ | 04:19 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: n900 isn't a generic smartphone | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: my info isn't based on generic smartphones | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my cloak | 04:19 |
| FIQ | oops | 04:20 |
| FIQ | wrong cmd | 04:20 |
| FIQ | ohhh | 04:20 |
| FIQ | fair enough :) | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know how many devices Freerunner got sold, how many showed up on mailing lists, and how large #openmoko been | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are other statistics, similar to that one | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 90%..99% invisible users are a fair guess | 04:21 |
| FIQ | 250k-2.5m sold units? | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for devices like N900, FreeRunner. For random android it's probably 99.99% | 04:22 |
| FIQ | yeah | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: sounds about correct | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for N900 | 04:22 |
| FIQ | hmm jolla announce next week | 04:24 |
| FIQ | hopefully something good, most likely not | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm I'm afraid I'll be disappoingted | 04:24 |
| Drathir | now looking for files with flasher... | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I already am | 04:24 |
| FIQ | "we have this shiny iphone clone that runs "linux" modified by android levels!" | 04:25 |
| Drathir | 3.5 or 3.12? | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: get 'latest' | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3.5 | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3.12 doesn't work for N900 | 04:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 3.12 is for N9 | 04:25 |
| FIQ | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) | 04:26 |
| FIQ | seems my version is a bit old | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's how it says 'hello', yeah | 04:26 |
| mad_dev | FIQ: very | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it's 3.5 | 04:26 |
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| FIQ | it's 3.5 but it says 2.5? | 04:27 |
| FIQ | doesn't make sense... | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nokia never bothered to update that version string | 04:27 |
| FIQ | lol ok :p | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed lol | 04:27 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: apathy | 04:27 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: have more usr/lib/modules/3.6.6-1-ARCH/kernel/drivers/net/usb/cdc-phonet.ko.gz | 04:27 |
| Drathir | /usr/lib/modules/3.6.6-1-ARCH/kernel/net/phonet | 04:27 |
| Drathir | /usr/lib/modules/3.6.6-1-ARCH/kernel/net/phonet/phonet.ko.gz | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get instruction how to blacklist it | 04:28 |
| FIQ | Drathir: keep in mind arch blacklist mechanism changed few months ago | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: just share a short howto | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (no arch here) | 04:29 |
| mad_dev | nor here | 04:29 |
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| Drathir | mad_dev: i write version inside my n900 phone, but now dowloading thats older from nokia site... | 04:31 |
| mad_dev | Drathir: ok | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_modules#Blacklisting | 04:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: please rephrase | 04:32 |
| FIQ | ty DocScrutinizer05 for doing the work for me, didn't find the article i looked for :p | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google is your friend | 04:32 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: the version he mentioned above | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the 3.5->2.5 | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind | 04:34 |
| mad_dev | 20.2011 | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh | 04:34 |
| mad_dev | couldnt remember the rest | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't remeber anything | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 38 rings a bell though | 04:35 |
| FIQ | 20.2011.38-1 | 04:35 |
| mad_dev | yes | 04:35 |
| FIQ | was what you told earlier | 04:35 |
| FIQ | "you" aka Drathir | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='21.2011.38-1' | 04:36 |
| mad_dev | FIQ: i almost doubted myself | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osso-product-info | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 04:37 |
| infobot | methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 04:37 |
| FIQ | Drathir: iirc I had to completly disable (blacklist not enough) the module but i'm not completly sure, as described on that wikipage | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Settings > About product should show Version beginning with 20.2010.36(PR1.3) or 21.2011.38(PR1.3.1) | 04:38 |
| FIQ | ahh that explains why my version string was lower | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there's no fiasco image for 21.2011.38(PR1.3.1) | 04:39 |
| FIQ | there's not | 04:39 |
| FIQ | at least not on that site | 04:39 |
| FIQ | also the agreement doesn't apply to PR1.3 image | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find it on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/ in maemo fiasco+co, if you got pissed of IMEI query and all | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vanilla: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's LATEST | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | didn't feel like providing old obsolete images too | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | read LICENCE there! | 04:46 |
| mad_dev | very useful info...i should document this | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't post complete URL!! | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or it will vanish in same moment | 04:47 |
| FIQ | script? | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm skynet | 04:48 |
| FIQ | :p | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~listvalues maemo.cloud-7 | 04:51 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo.cloud-7' by value (4): aegis-no-thanks ;; bq27k-detail ;; malf ;; #maemo wiki-backup. | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 04:52 |
| Drathir | ok flasher installed 3.5 latest latest combined and vanilla downloading but this take a while... | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | np | 04:52 |
| FIQ | what flashplayer is that? | 04:53 |
| mad_dev | we will be here waiting | 04:53 |
| Drathir | is anny option to dump installed version of fw from phone to file? | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart FIQ | 04:53 |
| * infobot puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, FIQ, this won't hurt a bit...." | 04:53 | |
| FIQ | ~lart DocScrutinizer05 | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: nope | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not any simple one | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so never mind | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need it | 04:54 |
| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: ok blacklisted now... | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flasher --help | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you got spare time, you might want to read ahead of what you need to know: | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 04:56 |
| infobot | rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 04:56 |
| Drathir | imho arch have the best wiki on all distros clean and nice looking... | 04:56 |
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| FIQ | arch is nice | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: if ~jrtools is confusing for you, ignore it | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather re-read ~flashing | 04:59 |
| Drathir | FIQ: ok i going to complettly disable for sure... | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Drathir: as I understand it, your N900 boots up fine? | 05:02 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: i think he is in the process | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you want to flash RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin first. Then remove battery, and start again, this time with RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ping me when sth new | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afk | 05:04 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: i do it without removing the bettery(fully charged) | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if that works for you... | 05:06 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: yes because i must waiting when fw download... not have to fast connection.. | 05:10 |
| Drathir | i write when im start to flash but this pproppably take a few hours when downloads end... | 05:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hours? poor fellow | 05:16 |
| mad_dev | Drathir: if you dont mind my asking...in which country are you? | 05:16 |
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| mad_dev | well, see you guys later | 05:25 |
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| ShadowJK | kerio 50mA variation isn't unusual, especially if you don't pay special care to starting learning state at same state of charge each time | 05:50 |
| ShadowJK | 50mAh* | 05:50 |
| ShadowJK | I usually make sure I disconnect charger when it has terminated once and is now discharging with charger off | 05:51 |
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| Drathir | maybeHere: poland | 06:06 |
| Drathir | fail | 06:06 |
| Drathir | to mad_dev may be... | 06:07 |
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| Drathir | DocScrutinizer05: latest from nokia is RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 06:13 |
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| Luke-Jr | any script to download files at risk of being lost? (Nokia proprietary) | 06:24 |
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| teotwaki | Luke-Jr: I've mirrored everything | 10:20 |
| Luke-Jr | teotwaki: sure, but you can't legally share that mirror | 10:22 |
| Luke-Jr | so I need to make my own | 10:22 |
| teotwaki | I can't legally share that mirror? | 10:22 |
| teotwaki | http://wedrop.it | 10:22 |
| teotwaki | well | 10:22 |
| Luke-Jr | not if it has Nokia proprietary crap | 10:22 |
| teotwaki | http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it | 10:22 |
| teotwaki | there, shared. | 10:22 |
| Luke-Jr | teotwaki: that has nokia proprietary crap? | 10:22 |
| teotwaki | Luke-Jr: I'm willing to say "check it out yerself?" | 10:23 |
| Luke-Jr | I probably won't know what I'm looking for until next year | 10:24 |
| Luke-Jr | <.< | 10:24 |
| teotwaki | Luke-Jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1293065&postcount=16 | 10:24 |
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| Psi | does anyone recommend a better n900 camera app, the one i have now crashes sometimes and takes ages to load? | 10:27 |
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| Hurrian | Psi, camera-ui? | 10:30 |
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| Psi | Hurrian: yeah | 10:41 |
| Hurrian | uhh, camera-ui usually doesn't hang up | 10:41 |
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| Hurrian | BlessN900 and FCam being slow is expected due to their non hw-accelerated nature | 10:41 |
| Psi | sometimes i go to click the button to take a pic and the app just closes | 10:42 |
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| Hurrian | Psi, uhh, you may want to check your system's health | 11:01 |
| Hurrian | running processes, background processes, used memory, filesystem corruption, etc. | 11:01 |
| Hurrian | because here on my clean N900 it just werks | 11:01 |
| Psi | it works most of the time | 11:02 |
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| Psi | just takes 5 seconds or so to load and crashes about 1 out of every 50 times i go to take a photo | 11:03 |
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| tadzik | didn't CSSU bring some fixes to camera-ui? | 11:04 |
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| Psi | yeah, it didnt used to crash | 11:04 |
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| Hurrian | phew, discharged a battery far enough to get EDV1 in ~30 minutes. | 11:55 |
| Hurrian | WiFi + BT + FMTX + GPS with the screen on maximum brightness. | 11:55 |
| Hurrian | I wonder how much faster I can drain the N900's battery if I had 3.5G and CPU+GPU+DSP load was 100% ;) | 11:56 |
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| jacekowski | it would probably melt | 12:03 |
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| amospalla | Ive got a debian chroot into n900, can I make chrooted pulseaudio connect to main pulseaudio through esd? | 12:42 |
| amospalla | or is there any other suggested method to do that? | 12:42 |
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| amospalla | I guess pulseaudio only allows esd as server, but can not connect to it as client | 12:44 |
| lartza_ | perhaps through env variables you could tell chrooted pulse clients to connect to main pulse | 12:46 |
| lartza_ | PULSE_SERVER etc, from man pulseaudio | 12:46 |
| amospalla | the problem is that new pulseaudio versions doesnt work with old pulseaudio on n900 | 12:47 |
| amospalla | wow, I see that the pulseaudio I have access to on debian chroot is 2.0, that is even worst | 12:47 |
| Skry | client connecting to server should work regardless of version difference | 12:48 |
| Skry | should :) | 12:48 |
| tadzik | mpd also has this problem | 12:48 |
| tadzik | (or so I think) | 12:48 |
| Skry | Something to note, "The dbus machine ID in the chroot needs to be the same as that of the main host, which it wasn't for me. That caused audio apps to report "connection refused" when I tested them." | 12:49 |
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| amospalla | Skry: that is new information to me | 12:51 |
| Skry | amospalla: you might want to take a look at these: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#Pulseaudio_from_within_a_chroot_.28ex._32-bit_chroot_in_64-bit_install.29 and http://blog.einval.com/2010/11/12 | 12:53 |
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| Skry | adapt to maemo if necessary | 12:54 |
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| Pali | new version of battery status plugin with huge debug output in syslog | 13:00 |
| Pali | on same url | 13:00 |
| Pali | kerio, Hurrinan ^^^^ | 13:00 |
| Hurrian | Pali, got the message, I'll install it later once my N900 finishes charging | 13:04 |
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| Pali | ok | 13:04 |
| teotwaki | Why the hell do people send emails to the board/council in the "name of the community", without including the community mailing list? | 13:07 |
| teotwaki | Fuckin' i-wanna-feel-special-and-be-a-saviour buffoons. | 13:07 |
| chem|st | who did? | 13:10 |
| kolp | Pali, just curious, why don't you increase version numbers of updates? Wouldn't it be easier to spot if people have an outdated version installed? | 13:10 |
| Pali | kolp, this is testing version | 13:11 |
| Hurrian | kolp, iirc mp-fremantle-pr depends on specific versions | 13:11 |
| Pali | Hurrian, no | 13:11 |
| kolp | Pali: Yepp, I'm aware of that :) | 13:11 |
| Hurrian | Pali, understood. Why not tag testing versions with "0.9" or something to make sure people upgrade, though? | 13:12 |
| Hurrian | The debs aren't even tagged with build date. | 13:12 |
| Pali | Hurrian, so library is tagged | 13:12 |
| Hurrian | ah | 13:12 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: we should move KCSSU assessment from wiki, it could take too long for wiki to be fixed | 13:22 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, DocScrutinizer05 ^^^ | 13:22 |
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| Hurrian | hmm, battery 104% charging. | 13:37 |
| Hurrian | I assume it just took last full capacity. | 13:37 |
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| freemangordon | Hurrian, Pali: well, a limit of 99% until "charged" signal received will look better :D | 13:44 |
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| Hurrian | freemangordon: If $current_now/$current_full > 1 then battery status should be "Calibrating", as iirc under these conditions VDQ is recalculated | 13:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Hurrian: Pali: either battery meter uses % from bq27200, then there CAN NOT be 104%, or bq27200 has CI=1 then the cell voltage should get used to calculate %capacity via a LUT ->again no way to get 104$ | 13:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 104% | 13:47 |
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| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer05: "VDQ unset, charge your battery" should tell the story ;) | 13:48 |
| Pali | please provide output of "grep battery_status_plugin /var/log/syslog" | 13:49 |
| Pali | + write if using new or old hald-addon-bme | 13:49 |
| Hurrian | Pali, I'm using the previous version for now, I'll use it when VDQ is calibrated | 13:49 |
| Hurrian | Also, which hald-addon-bme is that? Mine logs to /tmp and does shutdown correctly. | 13:50 |
| Pali | old = nokia, new = replacement | 13:51 |
| Hurrian | Yes, it's the replacement one. | 13:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | VDQ is a flag of bq27200 (valid discharge qualified), it means that a calibration cycle would result from continuing to discharge battery. If something happens to battery that spoils the calibration, VDQ is unset | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you then need to charge battery completely to set it again, aka to start new learning cycle | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | main reason for VDQ unset: short charging of battery. and current flowing *into* battery during discharge cyclke will spoil the calibration abd thus unset VDQ | 13:58 |
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| jon_y | short charging? | 13:58 |
| jon_y | like 5 seconds connection? | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5s hooking up to charger | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 13:59 |
| jon_y | does this affect the stock phone? | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any charging unsets VDQ until battery at 100% | 13:59 |
| jon_y | so just leave it on charge until it's green again to fix it? | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is a effect of bq27200 chip hw | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in stock fremantle basically nobody cares about bq27200 calibration | 14:01 |
| jon_y | I see, so this won't actually affect the nokia stock version | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope, it won't. The string "VDQ unset, charge your battery" is invented by me, in my bq27k-calibrate.sh | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 14:03 |
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| Hurrian | Well, once I get this battery all nice and calibrated, my NokiaBME-free system will run nicely. | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, no. kerio invented that string | 14:05 |
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| Hurrian | Anyone up for tackling DSME, the most deeply-rooted binary blob in the system? | 14:05 |
| Hurrian | Also, it seems WMO is back up. | 14:06 |
| jon_y | maybe Nokia will start suing for circumventing their stuff :) | 14:06 |
| jon_y | and spend more on legal fees than marketing | 14:06 |
| jon_y | and get bought out by MS in the process | 14:06 |
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| chem|st | jon_y: the latter will happen anyway | 14:10 |
| jon_y | it's a good story :) | 14:11 |
| chem|st | Nokia is still to expensive, it needs to be really deep down and then MS will buy it for cheap $1b | 14:12 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: btw, what is the thumb erratas that the kernel actually workaround? | 14:13 |
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| jon_y | oh right, something about flushing the insn pipe or cache on a jump | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | branch prediction cache | 14:19 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: is it supposed to be done in hw? | 14:19 |
| jon_y | well, in proper thumb cpus | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi chem|st | 14:20 |
| jon_y | DocScrutinizer05: in effect, any kernel code will need to do the errata workaround themselves? | 14:21 |
| jon_y | like in uboot | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, since it only has to happen on context switches | 14:22 |
| jon_y | jumping between tasks? | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is an example of a context switch | 14:23 |
| jon_y | ok, user->kernel calls too? | 14:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i think it was yours actually | 14:23 |
| kerio | or your script said something *really* similar | 14:23 |
| jon_y | does arm have a concept of a callgate like x86? | 14:24 |
| * jon_y stupid to relay his x86 experience | 14:25 | |
| jon_y | *relate | 14:25 |
| kerio | you also relayed it to us :) | 14:26 |
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| jon_y | I was wonder how it was hooking on the context change | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's a callgate, and the conditions for BPcache invalidation are tricky, you need to load new program text of the other 'gender' to a location that has valid branch prediction but not for that gender. Then the jump will go to obsolete destination | 14:27 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: (re: changes in bq27k calibration) that's fair - i didn't use the script to *charge*, this time - only to discharge | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/you need/you must not/ | 14:27 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: nfc what's a callgate, and the conditions for BPcache invalidation are tricky, you must not to load new program text of the other 'gender' to a location that has valid branch prediction but not for that gender. Then the jump will go to obsolete destinatio... | 14:27 |
| kerio | so it didn't immediately stop charging once VDQ was set | 14:28 |
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| jon_y | so the workaround is for some memory layout? | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the workaround is branch prediction buffer flush on context switches | 14:29 |
| kerio | Hurrian: "tackling" dsme is kinda hard | 14:30 |
| kerio | everything talks to it | 14:30 |
| jon_y | what happens without the workaround? | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see above | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the jump will go to obsolete destination | 14:30 |
| jon_y | ok I see | 14:30 |
| jon_y | maybe the phrasing threw me off | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's complicated | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually BP queue entries get invalidated by some hw in instruction decoder | 14:32 |
| jon_y | the cpu does something extra that needs to be workaround? | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that fails when you swap arm program text with thumb program text, and both ahve a jump instruction at same locatzion | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so your thumb code jumps to the destination that been valid in the arm code context | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 14:34 |
| jon_y | ok, may jump to the wrong area due to insn size difference? | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, because of instruction decoder doesn't invalidate the branch prediction entry | 14:35 |
| jon_y | yup, still over my head :) | 14:35 |
| jon_y | so basically, thumb->thumb jump is fine | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *seems* to me the instruction decoder doesn't detect there's a arm branch prediction when it decodes a thumb branch instruction, or sth like that | 14:36 |
| jon_y | but thumb->arm jumps and vice versa needs flushing? | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's program text swaps that need the flushing | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's really not so simple to explain | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not even sure I completely understood it | 14:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you have memory with instructions, and for each instruction there's possibly an allocated branch prediction in a separate buffer | 14:38 |
| jon_y | definitely a RISC thing | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now if the jump instruction on a particular memory addr changes from a arm to a thumb instruction or vice versa, the branch prediction in buffer doesn't get cleared | 14:39 |
| jon_y | ok, so far so good, I understand that at least | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while *usually* the CPU hardware is supposed to clear those invalid branch predictions | 14:40 |
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| jon_y | it has a 50% chance to take the wrong path and execute stuff that is still in the pipeline? | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | since context switches alter the memory addr translation table, those changes of program text at a certain memory addr are most likely to happen during those context switches, aiui | 14:43 |
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| jon_y | ok, its due to the tlb change | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but yes, self modifying code as well would need special care to invalidate the BPB | 14:44 |
| jon_y | normally done by hw, but needs some help on the n900 | 14:45 |
| Hurrian | kerio, indeed, even friggin tklock talks to it | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | jon_y: the basic design of the workaround been by TI or even ARM (dunno). freemangordon found a way to make those patches work on N900, so we consider them as safe as the original patchset by TI | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I dunno what TI found out about when to flush BPB | 14:48 |
| jon_y | TI is good enough :) | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | context switches are the buzzword I recall | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might be other occasions that also need that buffer flushing | 14:49 |
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| kerio | TI is good enough | 14:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and that's it >:C | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 14:56 |
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| kerio | we have the kernel patch from TI, thumb works with no unexplicable segfaults | 14:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems to | 14:58 |
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| kerio | we're not doing math, we're doing science! | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as elaborated above, there might be several occasions where such a patch needs to flush the buffer "manually". Nobody verified that TI dealt with all of them | 14:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I could figure that e.g. self-modifying code (something *strongly* deprecated, in general) would go "beyond the radar" of such TI patches | 15:01 |
| kerio | you mean like... a JIT compiler? | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "self-modifying code" is a pretty clear term | 15:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a JIT compiler doesn't modify *own* code | 15:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki self-modifying code | 15:11 |
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| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-modifying_code (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Refimprove|date=April 2009}} In computer science, 'self-modifying code' is code that alters its own instructions while it is executing - usually to reduce the instruction path length and improve performance or simply to reduce otherwise repetitively similar code, thus simplifying maintenance. Self modification is an alternative to the method of 'flag setting' and ... | 15:11 |
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| freemangordon | jon_y: in addition to what DocScrutinizer05 said - because os a staled prediction in BTB, the correct code is executed in incorrect CPU state | 15:19 |
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| freemangordon | i.e. thumb code is executed as ARM nad vice versa | 15:19 |
| freemangordon | *and | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, yeah, I forgot | 15:19 |
| freemangordon | so the usual result when errata hits is SIGILL | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since the branch target from BTB also determines the CPU state, in case of obsolete BTB value getting used, the CPU also switches to wrong state in addition to jumping to wrong addr | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | no, jump is to the correct address, just the state is wring | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | *wrong | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (pair target addr means ARM mode, impair means thumb mode) | 15:21 |
| freemangordon | yep | 15:22 |
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| freemangordon | but instead of taking the mode from the instruction itself, CPU takes the mode from BTB, which is invalid | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the target addr however is that of BTB and has no relation to the new correct addr as derived from the instruction the stale BTB entry is linked to | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | stage a): 0x50: (arm)jump 0x100; BTB:target100;; stage b): instruction swapped: 0x50: (thumb)jump 0x301; BTB(stale!!):target100;; now in c) the thumb code at 0x50 jumps to 0x100 though it *should jump to 0x301. Target addr pair (0x100) means CPU switching to ARM mode | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's how I understand it | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | odds are that 1. the target addr is incorrect (obviously) and 2. that the code at target addr also swapped from ARM to thumb code | 15:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | flushing BTB on swapping code at 0x50 will cure the problem | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually CPU does that automatically, but not when swapping between ARM and thumb and both have a jump instruction at same memory addr | 15:31 |
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| vi_ | What is the reason headset remote controls do not work? | 15:32 |
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| vi_ | I thought they worked on the N9 and it had the same hardware? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wired multibutton headset? | 15:33 |
| vi_ | yeah | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never worked on N900 | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see my post on tmo regarding that | 15:33 |
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| kerio | vi_: those aren't standard | 15:34 |
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| kerio | Pali: sorry, what did you update since yesterday? | 15:35 |
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| vi_ | kerio: I tried to restore an old backup. | 15:35 |
| vi_ | kerio: bootloop, | 15:35 |
| Pali | kerio, what? | 15:35 |
| vi_ | kerio: Have to start from scratch again. | 15:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 | 15:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: it's a one-wire serial protocol that's used, with some 2.4kBaud iirc | 15:40 |
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| * vi_ reading | 15:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. both the device and the headset pull mic line to gnd for short times, let's say 0.1ms for a '0' and 0.2ms for a '1' | 15:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | device sends a command, headset answers. OR headset sends an attention code to make device send the command to query what's the event to report. sth along that line | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's much similar to old cheapernet ethernet | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only one sender can use the media channel at any given time | 15:44 |
| vi_ | Do you think the n900 hardware is capable of this? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it might be capable | 15:45 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Do you have a link to the n9 schematics? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but all the real time serial protocol needs to get handled in kernel then, in sofzware | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see hidden/docs on my server | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc it's there | 15:46 |
| vi_ | I cannot, it is hidden! | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | docs isn't | 15:46 |
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| vi_ | cool! | 15:47 |
| vi_ | Prepare for server rape! | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just never post the URL *anywhere* | 15:48 |
| vi_ | ofc | 15:49 |
| vi_ | I will respect your privacy | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as spiders rape my server, I'll take it down | 15:50 |
| vi_ | Is there a guide to set up a server like that? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty simple, change the dir perms | 15:50 |
| vi_ | I have a lot of stuff for motorcycles I want to host just like this. | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | chmod go-r hidden | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka 711 | 15:52 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: did Drathir reflash?? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eXecute means you may access the content but not read the dir content aka ls | 15:53 |
| Pali | you can also change your .htaccess | 15:53 |
| Pali | -Indexes | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mad_dev: I went for a nap, no idea | 15:53 |
| Pali | or echo > index.html | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mad_dev: last I heard was "this will take hours to download" | 15:55 |
| mad_dev | DocScrutinizer05: same here | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope (s)he will come back once download finishes | 15:55 |
| tadzik | heh, looks like Poland is into reflashing these days | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I also thought he's from Poland | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | his hostname suggested that | 15:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s51.linuxpl.com | 15:58 |
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| vi_ | wtf is reno chip? | 16:01 |
| vi_ | why they do not have chip numbers on this schematic? | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | because | 16:04 |
| StyXman | vi_: it's the one with all the casinos | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | the great questions of 21st century | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | reno is one of the phone chip set IIRC | 16:04 |
| StyXman | «the biggest little chip» | 16:04 |
| StyXman | etc. | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, like gaia for bb5 | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reno for rapuyama | 16:05 |
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| vi_ | well it fulfils the same role as 'stereo audio codec' on the n900. | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/yep, like gaia for bb5/yep, like a gaia chip made for bb5/ | 16:07 |
| vi_ | And it appears to be where the mic bias is connected. | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or, less lyrical, it's rapuyama bb5's companion chip | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in N95? | 16:08 |
| vi_ | n900 | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N900 micbias connected to APE domain, not cmt domain | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. probably to gaia | 16:10 |
| vi_ | yes | 16:11 |
| vi_ | ~APE | 16:11 |
| infobot | APE Portable Environment for C++ Threads, Sockets, etc.. URL: http://www.voxilla.org/projects/projape.html | 16:11 |
| vi_ | ~cmt | 16:11 |
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| kerio | Pali: you said you updated the battery applet - did you change anything else? | 16:14 |
| Pali | kerio, yes read log :-) added huge debug output to syslog | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: actually connected to MICBIAS3 of aic34 audio codec | 16:14 |
| Pali | use "grep battery_status_plugin /var/log/syslog" for uploading debug log | 16:15 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05, what is APE? what CMT? and what APE-algo and CMT-algo? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: *sensing* however is via ECI_AD of GAIA | 16:16 |
| Pali | and what is cmt-mcusw? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Application Processor Environment | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Cell Modem and Telephone (or sth) | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the algos are for flashing | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Cell Mode and Telephone Micro Controller SoftWare | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Modem* | 16:18 |
| vi_ | so what software deals with the 'audio codec' chip? Is it a kernel module? | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, yes | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ALSA I guess | 16:18 |
| vi_ | An ALSA module? | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | an ALSA soundcard | 16:20 |
| vi_ | Do you know if it is closed? | 16:21 |
| vi_ | aaah. who the fuck am I kidding. | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: if you're interested in multibutton serial protocol, check ECI_AD and the two voltage comparators arounf N4007 and N4008 | 16:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as well as muxer N4022 | 16:24 |
| vi_ | ok | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | google for ECI, I think that's what the protocol is called | 16:26 |
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| psychologe | how to used dbus command connect gprs? i read the phone_control wiki page......but when execute "gconftool -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP" ,output:/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/@232@@129@@148@@233@@128@@154@GPRS@232@@191@@158@@230@@142@@165@@228@@186@@146@@232@@129@@148@@231@@189@@145@: | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/12/30/84 | 16:27 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Thankyou | 16:28 |
| psychologe | what's is my GRPS's IAP | 16:28 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2011-February/036544.html | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: beware! there's much about a special MCU that controls the ECI protocol. It's _not_ about emulating ECI in kernel space via bitbang aiui | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | took me two days to finally recognize it's a dead end | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno to which website and info it applies, I did that investigations like 2 yeras ago, maybe 3 | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, feb2011 sounds fairly new | 16:33 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Well those patches are only 1.5ish year old. | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's been a Nokia driver for a ECI controller chip, and that was basically moot info, except for some info about protocol itself | 16:34 |
| vi_ | brb, got to earn a living :(. | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | got to cure my flu | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o/ | 16:35 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Coffee and painkillers. | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good plan, will prepare/take another couple of each | 16:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Wilson: "and you're feeling like that every day. It sucks to be you" House:"at least I don't have cancer" | 16:41 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: old | 16:42 |
| kerio | also best season finale ever | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 8/19, seems there are 20..22 still | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui that's definitive end then | 16:50 |
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| kerio | yep | 16:52 |
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| vi_ | kerio: What is a good windows IM client with irc support? | 17:13 |
| vi_ | What is a good windows IM client with irc support? | 17:13 |
| kerio | vi_: fucked if i know | 17:13 |
| StyXman | vi_: kopete? pidgin? | 17:14 |
| StyXman | I tried the latter | 17:14 |
| StyXman | the former *should* work | 17:14 |
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| mad_dev | vi_: http://irssi.org/download | 17:16 |
| Skry | ^ | 17:18 |
| vi_ | mad_dev: I am using irssi right now. | 17:19 |
| vi_ | Irssi is king of IRC. | 17:19 |
| vi_ | The client of the future if you will. | 17:19 |
| mad_dev | vi_: without a doubt | 17:19 |
| vi_ | But I need other protocols. | 17:19 |
| tadzik | you can always try this bitlbee thing, or whatsitsname | 17:20 |
| mad_dev | try chatzilla | 17:20 |
| Skry | irssi has xmpp plugin also | 17:20 |
| tadzik | I'm yet to see something that supports more than one protocol and doesn't suck | 17:20 |
| vi_ | tadzik: n900? | 17:20 |
| tadzik | hehe | 17:20 |
| tadzik | it supports absolute basics of xmpp | 17:21 |
| tadzik | try sending a specific status to specific contact | 17:21 |
| flux | recently I needed to start using skype, and it appears to work quite nice with irssi (via bitlbee and its skype-plugin) | 17:21 |
| vi_ | tadzik: I am not *that* into im. | 17:21 |
| tadzik | also, those "user is typing" notifications aren't there. Yes, that's a XEP, but still | 17:21 |
| vi_ | skype? | 17:22 |
| vi_ | Skype makes me want to puke a solid shaft of barf vertical so that it may fountain back into my own face. | 17:22 |
| tadzik | have you changed your email today? ;) | 17:22 |
| mad_dev | lol | 17:22 |
| flux | a standard solution would be preferably by far, but apparently none of them are productized as well as skype | 17:23 |
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| vi_ | flux I just discovered google talk. | 17:23 |
| tadzik | that's xmpp | 17:23 |
| tadzik | fortunately | 17:23 |
| vi_ | I don't really care what it is. I just want it to work. | 17:24 |
| vi_ | Skype on the n900 is a fucking joke. | 17:24 |
| flux | can you hook your own servers to google talk? | 17:24 |
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| vi_ | the audio is *literally* worthless. | 17:24 |
| vi_ | only im works. | 17:24 |
| kolp | flux: gtalk federates, yes | 17:24 |
| tadzik | unlike the facebook shit | 17:25 |
| vi_ | Although a true p2p voice/im would be sweet. | 17:25 |
| mad_dev | what does facetime use? | 17:26 |
| kerio | i want a bluetooth PAN module for icd | 17:26 |
| tadzik | mad_dev: xmpp, just closed to other servers | 17:26 |
| vi_ | kerio: What a coincidence! So do I! | 17:26 |
| kerio | vi_: write it | 17:26 |
| tadzik | not sure if they introduce anything non-standard | 17:26 |
| vi_ | kerio: No, u. | 17:26 |
| kerio | vi_: luf has a working everything | 17:26 |
| kerio | we just need the ICD plugin | 17:26 |
| vi_ | what is luf? | 17:27 |
| tadzik | baby don't hur me | 17:27 |
| kerio | luf is the dude who built bluez 0.99 for the n900 | 17:27 |
| vi_ | is his work documented anywhere? | 17:27 |
| kerio | vi_: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/bluez/commits/master | 17:28 |
| vi_ | So that I may read about it? | 17:28 |
| kerio | now doing a NAP server is as easy as configuring it in /etc/bluetooth/network.conf | 17:29 |
| vi_ | wtf is a nap server? | 17:29 |
| kerio | Network Access Point | 17:29 |
| vi_ | aaah. | 17:29 |
| kerio | the "server" side in bluetooth PAN | 17:29 |
| vi_ | turning n900 into bluetooth access point? | 17:30 |
| kerio | nah | 17:30 |
| kerio | well | 17:30 |
| vi_ | wow, he has been busy! | 17:30 |
| * vi_ reading git commits. | 17:30 | |
| kerio | not necessarily | 17:30 |
| vi_ | has this been package and dumped in devel yet? | 17:31 |
| kerio | no | 17:31 |
| StyXman | 16:24 < flux> can you hook your own servers to google talk? | 17:31 |
| kerio | he's got builds on his wobsite though | 17:31 |
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| vi_ | I must see this wobsite! | 17:31 |
| kerio | http://merlin1991.at/~luf/ | 17:31 |
| StyXman | flux: you can contact any gtalk account with any jabber account | 17:31 |
| vi_ | Show mo tho intornot addross! | 17:32 |
| lartza_ | run your own ejabberd and talk p2p | 17:32 |
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| vi_ | holy shit, is he updating pulse audio as well? | 17:33 |
| kerio | i think that the pulseaudio is the one in cssu | 17:33 |
| kerio | and yes, to properly support BT audio sink :) | 17:33 |
| vi_ | I owe this guy a donut! | 17:33 |
| kerio | it still doesn't work, you need to load a pulseaudio loopback module of some sorts | 17:33 |
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| kerio | hm, maybe his pulseaudio isn't in cssu | 17:34 |
| kerio | but meh, we've got the thumby one | 17:34 |
| kerio | vi_: bluetooth NAP works fine, there's some dbus thing you can do to connect as a PANU | 17:34 |
| kerio | (the "client" part of bluetooth PAN) | 17:35 |
| vi_ | I did'nt choose the thumb life, the thumb life chose me. | 17:35 |
| kerio | btw, that should definetely be cssu-thumb's motto | 17:35 |
| vi_ | I thought so. | 17:35 |
| Skry | also, use midget from total recall as a mascot | 17:36 |
| vi_ | Skry: lol wut? | 17:36 |
| vi_ | Skry: The midget hooker with the shotgun? | 17:36 |
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| vi_ | Hoolywood realy shit on the total recall legacy. | 17:37 |
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| vi_ | Such a waste of finite human resource. | 17:37 |
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| Skry | yea, thumbelina, the midget hooker with a shotgun. | 17:38 |
| kerio | *uzi | 17:40 |
| kerio | http://i.qkme.me/3rs19z.jpg | 17:40 |
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| Skry | that's it. now wheres fmg, he needs to update tmo thread immediately. | 17:44 |
| vi_ | WOW, that is incredible. | 17:45 |
| tadzik | hrm. After flashing fresh maemo it likes to auto-adjust screen brightness. Where do I turn this off? | 17:45 |
| vi_ | If you do not post it on the thumb thread in the next 4 minutes, I will and take all the credit. | 17:45 |
| vi_ | tadzik: You have to edit /etc/mce/mce.ini | 17:45 |
| vi_ | in the list of mce modules you will see 'filter-brightness-als' | 17:47 |
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| vi_ | remove it from the module list and restart mce. | 17:47 |
| vi_ | remember to remove the ';' as well. | 17:47 |
| Skry | this the best example of a team work I've seen so far on this channel, we all should be credited and be called cssu-thumb contributors from now on | 17:47 |
| vi_ | contributers? | 17:47 |
| vi_ | Developers more like. | 17:47 |
| Skry | yes, or both | 17:48 |
| Skry | if possible | 17:48 |
| tadzik | vi_: I assume 'restart mce' meant something other than /etc/init.d/mce restart. That rebooted the device :) | 17:49 |
| tadzik | and seems to have made everything darker. Hrm | 17:50 |
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| vi_ | tadzik: you could have just killall mce. | 17:57 |
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| vi_ | tadzik: Yes, but ALS is now disabled! | 17:57 |
| vi_ | tadzik: I now recall there is an alternative module you can load... | 17:58 |
| vi_ | 1 sec | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: stop mce && start mce | 17:59 |
| vi_ | tadzik: Add the module 'brightness-simple' | 17:59 |
| vi_ | tadzik: Remember the ';' | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'll need simple brightness applet for that, no? | 18:00 |
| vi_ | tadzik: Sorry, I forgot about that. | 18:00 |
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| tadzik | yeah, now adjusting brightness in the settings doesn't do anything | 18:01 |
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| vi_ | Well, atleast the screen has stopped changing brightness itself. | 18:01 |
| tadzik | ...and locking broke :) | 18:01 |
| tadzik | weird | 18:01 |
| vi_ | tadzik: did you braek your mce.ini? | 18:02 |
| tadzik | I only comment/uncomment stuff out | 18:02 |
| tadzik | so I can revert it to the default state | 18:02 |
| vi_ | ...how do you comment out a module in a line of text? | 18:02 |
| tadzik | I copied it first :) | 18:02 |
| vi_ | tadzik: atta boy! | 18:02 |
| tadzik | and uncomment either the fiddled one or the default one | 18:02 |
| tadzik | I wonder how I did it on the previous maemo I had | 18:03 |
| vi_ | tadzik: protip, write little notes to yourself as well. | 18:03 |
| tadzik | I usually do, that's what comments are for :) | 18:03 |
| vi_ | tadzik: You would be surprised at how many people are unenthused with comments. | 18:04 |
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| tadzik | oh, I wouldn't. I do work with somebody else's code too ;) | 18:04 |
| vi_ | Others peoples code is shit. | 18:04 |
| tadzik | it can be, yes | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tadzik: on prev maemo you installed simple brightness applet | 18:05 |
| vi_ | tadzik: wait, what device are you using? | 18:05 |
| tadzik | vi_: n900 | 18:05 |
| vi_ | ok. | 18:05 |
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| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: SBA is still affected by ALS. | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:05 |
| tadzik | DocScrutinizer05: the one that appears next to bluetooth, wifi etc? I saw it on screenshots on tmo, but I don't think I got it installed | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it has the simple brightness plugin afaik | 18:06 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Wut? SBA just fiddles with gconf values. | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, nfc then | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway obviously removing brightness plugin from MCE does moot the brighness controll in settings | 18:07 |
| vi_ | DocScrutinizer05: Yes, I suppose it would now I think about it. I should have said s/filter-brightness-als/brightness-simple/g | 18:08 |
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| tadzik | well, when I do that think I can no longer lock sceen | 18:08 |
| tadzik | s/sceen/screen/ | 18:08 |
| infobot | tadzik meant: well, when I do that think I can no longer lock screen | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess if you wanna stop ALS from changing screen brightness et al, you need to unload the ALS kernel module and create static sysfs nodes with some fake content instead | 18:09 |
| tadzik | does everyone else just live with it? | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I do | 18:09 |
| tadzik | maybe that was a bug that it didn't do that on my previous installation | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NB that on max level (5) screen brightness isn't controlled by ALS anymore | 18:10 |
| tadzik | NB? | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~nb | 18:10 |
| infobot | rumour has it, nb is Nota Bene | 18:10 |
| tadzik | I'll add it to my wtf, thanks | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wtf nb | 18:10 |
| infobot | Gee... I don't know what nb means... | 18:10 |
| tadzik | I maintain my own db :) | 18:11 |
| tadzik | I should maybe push it upstream | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_abbreviations | 18:14 |
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| vi_ | Could you set the brightness value then change the permissions of the /sys/ file? | 18:16 |
| vi_ | ala, camera focus through lock screen hack? | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as the ALS brightness sysnode is created by a kernel module, you can't write values to it and hope they stick | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any write calls kernel module's set(), and read calls get() funtion | 18:22 |
| jonwil | can someone verify if the file downloads at http://www.wotsit.org/ are working or not for them? (they are not for me and I want to see if its me or the site) | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's as moot an idea as is trying to write a value to/dev/input to fake a key on kbd got pressed | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you could however divert mce filehandle to /sys/*/*/ALS/*/brightness to something else | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | either via LD_PRELOAD and a lib that diverts fopen() for that particular file path, or by mount | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you *could* even try to mount a plain file over the sysfs node | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess modprobe -r for the ALS module will work better | 18:28 |
| jonwil | what does als control? | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Ambient Light Sensor | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just have a hard time to find the sysnode | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe it's a /dev ? | 18:35 |
| vi_ | jonwil: It is an MCE module that alters the screen brightness depending on the ambient brightness conditions. | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not only | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it also switches on/off kbd backlight | 18:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | TAOS TSL2562 ? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err 2563 (I2C) | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAH, /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modinfo tsl2563 | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you *could* patch the mce brightness plugin on binary level to change the path to /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux or whatever it does | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | change 'sys' to 'xxx' | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | echo 0 > /xxx/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or even more simple: cp /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/ /xxx/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/ | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then edit values as you like | 18:48 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | an actual sensible move from Nokia! | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | - making maps available on more devices | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | android/iOS | 18:49 |
| SpeedEvil | downloadable | 18:50 |
| jonwil | I just wish the N900 maps had a more up-to-date version of the maps :( | 18:52 |
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| jonwil | It doesn't have a number of roads on it that I need on the maps :) | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | strings /usr/lib/mce/modules/libfilter-brightness-als.so|less +'//sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-0/0-0029/lux' | 18:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sidenote: ALS calibration is in CAL, done by phoenix at servicepoint | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so that's one of the things you lose when hosing your CAL | 18:59 |
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| kerio | jonwil: modrana | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | strings found in libfilter-brightness-als.so (among others): >> SU-18 RX-34 RX-44 RX-48 RX-51<< LOL | 19:01 |
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| jonwil | I am running mappero which has the roads I need | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good to know that this lib is written in a platform agnostic way so you could use same sourcecode on more than just N900 hw platform | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | madness :o) | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | vi_: anyway http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64191 | 19:12 |
| jonwil | does http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/4c5de70845de46b8b8dc395617d44722d8ac49e4/modules/filter-brightness-als.c (oldest revision of the file in that repo btw) help with this? | 19:16 |
| vi_ | jonwil: reverse engineer the sygic mobile map .pak file. | 19:16 |
| jonwil | whats special about sygic? | 19:17 |
| vi_ | jonwil: Add map data from later versions. | 19:17 |
| vi_ | jonwil: ??? | 19:17 |
| vi_ | jonwil: WIN! | 19:17 |
| vi_ | It is actually quite good. | 19:17 |
| vi_ | Just the maps are 2 years old now. | 19:17 |
| vi_ | They also support different map vendors. | 19:17 |
| vi_ | AFAIK the .pak file is just a wrapper for map data files. | 19:18 |
| kerio | vi_: gimme a torrent for a war3z version of sygic for the n900 plskthx | 19:18 |
| vi_ | kerio: srsly? | 19:18 |
| kerio | yes | 19:19 |
| vi_ | you are europe? | 19:19 |
| kerio | yep | 19:19 |
| vi_ | just search piratebay. | 19:19 |
| kerio | YES, I AM EUROPE | 19:19 |
| Skry | I live on you :| | 19:19 |
| vi_ | kerio: If that fails, I can send you my...backup. | 19:19 |
| vi_ | without the map data it is around 15mb. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: (does $commit help...) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1198881#post1198881 probably it would | 19:20 |
| vi_ | Funny thing is, I paid for sygic maps, but I have to pirate it to get the last version+latest maps+no activation bullshit. | 19:21 |
| kerio | i guess we should avoid doing this here | 19:21 |
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| vi_ | kerio: If we can just get jonwil to RE the .pak format, we will win forever. | 19:21 |
| jonwil | ,pak is what? Format for map data? | 19:22 |
| vi_ | jonwil: .pak is the map data container file. | 19:22 |
| jonwil | ok | 19:22 |
| vi_ | If you open it in a hex editor you can see it has a header and contains data files. | 19:23 |
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| jonwil | if I had one of these .pak files I could take a look... :P | 19:23 |
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| vi_ | jonwil: http://dvb-antares.com/ftp/GPS/SYGIC%20%20%20soft/Sygic%20Fleet%208.30/maps%20sygic/ | 19:25 |
| vi_ | ^there you go. | 19:25 |
| vi_ | choose your country! | 19:25 |
| vi_ | luxemburg is quite small, only 2.6mb | 19:26 |
| vi_ | /lux | 19:26 |
| vi_ | I do not know what the .nhs file is. It is not needed. | 19:27 |
| vi_ | The .upi file is additional waypoints (speed cameras in this instance) | 19:27 |
| vi_ | The .pak is where the paydirt is. | 19:27 |
| vi_ | kerio: No you cannot use these .pak files. | 19:27 |
| vi_ | jonwil: I assume it must be compressed as there are no readable strings. Street names etc. for example. | 19:29 |
| jonwil | yes it most likely is compressed | 19:29 |
| vi_ | That is except for the end of the file there is some form of copyright message in clear text. | 19:30 |
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| vi_ | from 0x00 to about 0x2A0 is the header. | 19:31 |
| vi_ | I think | 19:31 |
| jonwil | This might help | 19:35 |
| jonwil | http://uploading.com/files/thankyou/b6ae1391/PAKArchiver_0.3.1.zip | 19:35 |
| jonwil | My deep level google-fu seems to have paid off | 19:35 |
| jonwil | That program seems to unpack the .pak files at that other link | 19:35 |
| vi_ | jonwil: gggzomfffg | 19:35 |
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| jonwil | The resulting files seem to be in some format we cant edit or use though | 19:37 |
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| jonwil | and no I cant find any editor or other info for those files :( | 19:41 |
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| dasender | Hello, i have no sound in my n900, any ideas how to fix that? | 19:43 |
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| vi_ | jonwil: There are updated versions of the files though. | 19:45 |
| vi_ | If sygic did not change their map format (which I wager they have not) then it should be possible to replace those files with map data from 'aurora' program (sygic version 2). | 19:47 |
| vi_ | jonwil: You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. | 19:47 |
| mad_dev | dasender: what do you mean by no sound? | 19:50 |
| mad_dev | speakers or jack? | 19:50 |
| dasender | speakers | 19:51 |
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| jonwil | so yeah if this lets us use more recent maps on the N900, that's good news | 19:51 |
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| dasender | mad_dev: that happened after apt-get update(+reboot)... | 19:52 |
| vi_ | I will need to grab some maps for sygic aura. | 19:53 |
| ShadowJK | I had sygic on my first n900, key not valid for the other ones though :/ | 19:54 |
| jonwil | if only the other file format I am messing with (wierd custom format that's like MP3 but not quite MP3 that's used in a bunch of games) was as easy to solve as this one was... | 19:54 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: You are UK? | 19:54 |
| ShadowJK | no | 19:55 |
| vi_ | what is a good file share site? | 19:55 |
| vi_ | like rapidshare | 19:55 |
| vi_ | but not utter shit. | 19:55 |
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| * ShadowJK mostly uses "Maps" now, or dedicated carnav | 19:55 | |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: Just pirate a copy of sygic mobile. Search pirate bay for sygic mobile and yeleatlas. | 19:56 |
| vi_ | ShadowJK: Just pirate a copy of sygic mobile. Search pirate bay for sygic mobile and teleatlas. | 19:56 |
| ShadowJK | considered buying tomtom for my android tablet | 19:56 |
| vi_ | It is a 1GB torrent. | 19:56 |
| vi_ | You paid for the software. | 19:56 |
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| mad_dev | dasender: are there any errors in dmesg return? | 19:58 |
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| kerio | dafuq, my n900 was off and i don't remember turning it off | 20:02 |
| mad_dev_ | dasender: things to check before doing anything drastic: 1-Volume 2-check audio jack 3-power off, unplug battery. 4-check dmesg for errors | 20:02 |
| kerio | ...maybe i did shut it down like an hour ago to make a backup? idk | 20:02 |
| kerio | nope | 20:02 |
| kerio | what the FUCK | 20:02 |
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| kerio | i blame Pali | 20:03 |
| mad_dev_ | did I forget anything?? | 20:03 |
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| mad_dev | dasender: So... | 20:16 |
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| kerio | ~pali | 20:25 |
| infobot | it has been said that pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 20:25 |
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| MrPingu | Hi there! | 20:28 |
| vi_ | PPPPIIIINNNNGGGUUUUU! | 20:29 |
| kerio | vi_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTWv63RyLP8 ? | 20:29 |
| MrPingu | Any good code editor for the N900? | 20:34 |
| kerio | MrPingu: vi | 20:34 |
| MrPingu | kerio: I was looking for some editor that has javascript syntax highlight | 20:35 |
| kerio | MrPingu: vim | 20:35 |
| MrPingu | kerio: thanks, installing | 20:35 |
| MrPingu | Hmm not the kind I was looking for but I guess it gets the job done | 20:39 |
| MrPingu | I am getting lectures in javascript but I want to to carry my laptop :P | 20:40 |
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| MrPingu | *don't want to | 20:46 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: hi! | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | hi | 20:48 |
| kerio | http://i.qkme.me/3rs19z.jpg | 20:48 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 20:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | awesome | 20:50 |
| kerio | that's Thumbelina from Total Recall :D | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | nice | 20:50 |
| kerio | that should go in the cssu-thumb thread imo | 20:51 |
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| kerio | what's rSAP and why do people want it? | 22:22 |
| kerio | Pali: my n900 shut down again inexplicably :c | 22:22 |
| kerio | i'll keep syslog enabled from now on | 22:22 |
| kerio | can you make hald-addon-bme log to syslog instead of that file in /tmp/? | 22:22 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: nothing useful | 22:49 |
| jacekowski | kerio: remote sim access protocol | 22:50 |
| jacekowski | kerio: so you can use in car gsm phone | 22:50 |
| jacekowski | kerio: and it will use sim card in your normal phone but get all the data over BT | 22:50 |
| kerio | some dude on TMO wants it | 22:52 |
| kerio | but using the n900 as a *client* | 22:52 |
| jacekowski | no phone can do it | 22:53 |
| jacekowski | and there is not many phones that can work as the other end of it as well | 22:54 |
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| Macer | nokia e7 is still over 300 | 23:18 |
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| Macer | wtf nokia? | 23:18 |
| Macer | no wonder your company is fail :) | 23:18 |
| Macer | n900s are 225 :) | 23:20 |
| Macer | i would get another one if i still had tmob | 23:21 |
| entitled | I've bought two under 100 euros (used of course) | 23:21 |
| entitled | n900's | 23:21 |
| Macer | heh | 23:21 |
| Macer | well.. i would get a new one if i had tmob | 23:22 |
| entitled | tmob? | 23:22 |
| Macer | no point without 3G | 23:22 |
| Macer | n900 doesnt support att 3G | 23:22 |
| entitled | t mobile? | 23:22 |
| Macer | yes | 23:22 |
| entitled | att ? | 23:22 |
| entitled | something USA specific? | 23:22 |
| Macer | no | 23:23 |
| entitled | att the service provider? | 23:23 |
| Macer | at&t | 23:23 |
| entitled | yea | 23:23 |
| Macer | yes | 23:23 |
| entitled | why's that it won't support? | 23:23 |
| Macer | n900 doesnt support the frequency | 23:23 |
| Macer | for 3G | 23:24 |
| entitled | ye.. nokia has always had issues with the USA and supporting their networks/carriers | 23:24 |
| Macer | not really | 23:24 |
| Macer | all of their newer phones support both the large gsm companies | 23:25 |
| Macer | n900 was just a blunder :) | 23:25 |
| kerio | it's more that the USA always had issues with adapting to cell phone *standards* | 23:25 |
| entitled | here at finland I only use prepaid cards, 5e/month data plan and unlimited data | 23:25 |
| Macer | kerio: yah | 23:25 |
| Macer | tmob 3G freq isnt "standard" | 23:26 |
| Macer | e7 supports it tho | 23:26 |
| Macer | as does N9 | 23:26 |
| entitled | it's capped at 200 kilobytes/sec but there's different subscriptions if you need to go faster | 23:26 |
| Macer | in the US we are not so lucky ;) | 23:27 |
| entitled | ye | 23:27 |
| Macer | canada is even worse lol | 23:27 |
| entitled | using an mobile phone is like the only cheap thing over here | 23:29 |
| entitled | gas goes for like 1,6e for litre | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | bout the same in UK | 23:38 |
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| jacekowski | it's apparently "cheap" in france | 23:40 |
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| MrPingu | vi_: Can you send me that binary of xbindkeys, mine still wakes up like crazy :( | 23:48 |
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| MrPingu | About 300 wakeups is not sane, is it? | 23:49 |
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| MrPingu | And dbus-scripts don't cause extra wake-ups like you assumed ;) | 23:52 |
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| vi__ | MrPingu: wut? | 23:58 |
| vi__ | 300 WU when? | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq wiki.maemo.org!! | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Database Error | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (SQL query hidden) | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from within function "User::saveSettings". Database returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'joerg_rw' for key 2 (apps.maemo.org)". | 23:59 |
| vi__ | also, do you have any scripts running with DBS? | 23:59 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: chill out | 23:59 |
| MrPingu | Not yet :P but dbus-scripts itself is not causing additional wakeups | 23:59 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: the same thing happened to FMG. | 23:59 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer05: You are not under NSA attack. | 23:59 |
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