IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2012-10-15

gena2xM4rtinK, how to remove POI from map?00:00
gena2xM4rtinK, i am pressing 'clear visible' but it says 'nothing to clear'00:01
M4rtinKgena2x: there are two types of markers - those shown for POI and those for search results00:03
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M4rtinKgena2x: to clear the search result, click on one of them, select "tools" and then "clear results"00:05
M4rtinKgena2x: I should probably also add a "clear all visible" button to the main search menu00:07
gena2xM4rtinK, yeah00:07
gena2xM4rtinK, i mean this works00:07
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Snafu777w00t, ngrep ported to the n90002:15
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RaimuWell well. Raspi b just got its RAM memory doubled.11:36
M4rtinKRaimu: lol :)11:37
M4rtinKwe are doing a group order at the moment - hope we can apply for this :)11:38
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RaimuM4rtinK: Every unit b that's bought from now onwards or is in queue will be the 512MB version. Same price.11:39
Skrymm, ok I'm ordering one now11:41
Skrysick of waiting for cubie11:43
deepyI'm still waiting for mine to ship11:46
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Raimudeepy: Mm, me too.11:48
deepyWhen did you order yours?11:48
RaimuI think early summer. :P11:48
deepyJune 27th here11:49
xorxnorwow, signs of life11:54
xorxnorWhy does everyone want a Rasberry Pi so badly?  What will you do with it?11:54
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deepyI'm gonna connect it to a TV11:55
RaimuWe want it because of reasons.11:55
RaimuAll of the reasons.11:55
deepygiven the small size of it and that it has HDMI11:55
xorxnorBut will BRCM release libraries so you can use it to decode video?11:56
deepyDidn't it have a chip for HD decoding?11:56
deepyI can't remember since the bloody thing never ships!11:57
xorxnorI doubt it.11:57
xorxnorMaybe an HDMI PHY, but that's different.11:57
RaimuIt does have a chip that can decode a lot of video streams in hardware.11:58
xorxnorAre you talking about the main SoC?11:58
RaimuI don't know the deal with the drivers, though. That's often more complicated.11:58
deepy"If you have an outstanding order with either distributor, you will receive the upgraded device in place of the 256MB version you ordered."12:00
deepydoes that mean I'm getting a 512MBer?12:00
Raimudeepy: I believe yes.12:00
xorxnorWell, good luck with anything BRCM based.12:00
fizzieThey released some codecs (MPEG2, VC-1) with a separately-purchasable license, and had some (MPEG4/H.264) included in the launch.12:00
deepyThe GPU provides Open GL ES 2.0, hardware-accelerated OpenVG, and 1080p30 H.264 high-profile decode.12:01
xorxnorWhen you have it working for real, let me know.12:01
deepyGiven that 90% of my video is already in H.264 I think this will work nicely12:02
xorxnorBRCM is the king of claims and faltering in delivery12:02
fizzieIt should be working "for real" with omxplayer/XBMC right now.12:02
deepyI heard there were some rather nasty issues with XBMC on RPI12:02
xorxnorAny of you dudes use an N9?12:05
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freemangordonzeq: ?!?!15:18
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freemangordonI can't believe it15:19
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freemangordonzeq: what has happened with you man?15:23
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Sicelook. Opera 12 segfaults on my N90016:59
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: zeq??19:08
DocScrutinizer05no dilusion?19:08
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DocScrutinizer05(hidden join/quit/nick here)19:09
DocScrutinizer05  \o/19:10
DocScrutinizer05 :-(19:10
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DocScrutinizer05  DocScrutinizer05 waves o/ and vanishes19:14
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah, seems he is alive after all :D20:08
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kerioPali: stupid idea: make u-boot-generate-bootmenu build an init script for every proper bootmenu-n900 entry, equivalent to preinit+bootmenu+automatic choice21:00
kerioby stupid i mean awesome21:01
kerioand stupid21:01
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: my backups become a lot smaller when compressed with bzip221:17
kerioclearly, we should look into transparent bzip2 compression21:17
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vi__is this legit?22:10
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laxsillHi everyone!22:11
keriohi dr nick22:11
vi__will the n950 ever achieve the levels of greatness of the n900?22:12
nox-doubtful as there were only a few of them produced and never really sold22:13
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keriovi__: what kind of stupid question is that22:14
kerioof course not22:14
kerioi mean, duh22:14
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ShadowJKMaybe if they'd sold them22:18
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kerioShadowJK: yeah but, you know... elop22:22
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keriovi__: ELOP22:30
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vi__I just want a pocket linux comouter, I have money.  Why will no one sell me one?22:34
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vi__why wont the chinese people jump on this shit?22:35
keriovi__: they are! with android!22:36
* kerio ducks22:36
vi__android can go suck a fuck.22:36
keriovi__: also the openpandora22:37
keriowhich is about as powerful as the n90022:37
vi__it needs to have phone.22:37
keriobut with an embedded joypad22:37
keriobluetooth PAN with a recent dumbphone?22:37
keriono, no, android is bullshit22:37
kerioi agree wholeheartedly22:37
vi__n multi tasking AND fucking adverts on everything.22:38
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vi__paired with dumbphone sucks.  it means you need 2 devices.22:39
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vi__I read the story of meego article.22:41
vi__So sad.22:41
vi__So much potential win.22:41
vi__down the toilet.22:42
vi__In other news, windows 8 despite the retarded interface can take a fork bomb like a champ.22:42
teotwakiso, android is bullshit, but windows is good?22:48
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vi__windows is a doomed platform anyway.22:50
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vi__the future belongs to an OS that is easily ported across architectures.22:51
teotwakiso, why is android crap?22:51
vi__apart from spraying personal data far and wide.22:52
vi__apart from no even fully supporting the power domains of the arm cpu22:52
vi__apart from not actually multi-tasking22:52
vi__apart from being a glorified JVM22:53
SpeedEvilandroid is not an OS. it's an emulator.22:53
vi__apart from actually being closed sorce where it counts.22:53
teotwakivi__: you mean like maemo?22:54
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vi__teotwaki: maemo is FAR from perfect22:54
vi__however it is the best so far.22:54
vi__a nice, easy to use OS.22:54
teotwakiI've played around with the Note 222:55
teotwakiAnd I really liked it22:55
vi__cool, does it have cron, awk, sed and/or grep?22:55
shanttuI mostly use ics (cm9) on my touchpad. I hate it. The browser is just so much better than on webOS22:56
teotwakino idea about cron22:56
teotwakibut cyanogenmod does provide bash22:57
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teotwakivi__: ^22:58
vi__now here is a Q.22:58
vi__I can get bash on windows.22:58
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teotwakishanttu: I really enjoy my touchpad, just feels underpowered. That, and I bricked the application manager22:59
vi__However it is more or less useless because controlling 'dows from the cmd is undocumented and clunky.22:59
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vi__Is bash on android any use?23:00
vi__Can I just start programs willy nilly?23:00
vi__can I run scripts to control everything?23:00
StyXmanvi__: well, you have a castrated reimplementation of busybox23:01
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teotwakiStyXman: he's talking about Android, not Maemo.23:01
StyXmanteotwaki: me too23:01
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StyXmanmaemo *has* busybox23:01
StyXmanandroid has... bionic, was it called?23:01
teotwakioh, right.23:01
vi__on maemo, busybox is very functional.23:02
infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils23:02
StyXmanor was that the name of the castrated reimplementation of ยต-libc?23:02
vi__you can spam dbus and conrol the phone over ssh.23:02
vi__I am asking, do you have that same level of control with android.23:02
StyXmanteotwaki: and then you can install awk sed, grep, bash, etc on maemo23:03
StyXmanon android, I don't see it coming23:03
StyXmanmaybe with cyanogenmod23:03
StyXmandunno, really23:03
vi__StyXman: dont forget idont's "full fat" busybox.23:03
StyXmanI saw how was a barebones android 2 years ago23:04
vi__so the answer is no?23:04
vi__bash is but a useless novelty then?23:04
vi__sorry, ash.23:04
StyXmanbut then, I think maemo and android aim to two different markets23:05
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StyXmanandroid aims to smartphones for dumb people23:05
StyXman(ok, take out the dumb part)23:05
StyXmanwhile maemo is more like a portable computer with 3g23:06
vi__android is retard devices for retarded population.23:06
StyXmanvi__: well, I guess the hw is ok23:06
teotwakimaybe so23:06
vi__the hardware rules.23:06
teotwakibut in the end, the hw you get on the note 2 blows anything else on the market out of the water23:06
StyXmanbut it's clear from the fact that there are not many (3, maybe) models with keyboard23:06
teotwakiheck, the note 2 has more horsepower than the laptop i'm typing this on23:07
vi__could you imagine debian+hildon+motorola atrix?23:07
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vi__teotwaki: that is what is so wrong with android.  We now have these pocket sized computers that exceed the power of desktops from only a decade ago.23:08
vi__Except they don't have a fully functioning OS.23:09
StyXmanvi__: +123:09
teotwakiyes, it would be nice, probably23:09
teotwakithen let's make it23:09
teotwakiI mean, how hard can it be?23:09
vi__It is like taking the steering wheel and pedals out of a bugatti veyron and replacing them with a boat tiller.23:10
vi__teotwaki: I know you are being obtuse.23:11
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vi__what I would do for an atrix/maemo crossover.23:12
vi__My laptop broke and the n900 has been my only computer for months now.23:12
teotwakiI'm being obtuse?23:13
vi__If only I could plug it into a real monitor.23:13
StyXmanmaybe a moto droid 323:13
vi__teotwaki: You are a software developer, you know how hard developing new hardware is.23:14
teotwakivi__: I know most of the software is there23:14
vi__Skry: no one seems to know if it works for the n900.23:14
teotwakivi__: it's just a matter of getting it on the hardware23:14
vi__teotwaki: and the hardware is too.23:14
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vi__teotwaki: I thought you meant start from scratch.23:15
StyXmanah, droid 423:15
teotwakiand if you don't stop being so condescending towards me, I'll get you off this channel in two commands.23:16
vi__top spec android phone+linux=STFU&take my money.23:16
vi__teotwaki: me?23:16
MrPinguWhere's that ngrep snafu777 talked about?23:16
vi__teotwaki: chill out.  I think there has been a misunderstanding.23:16
teotwakiyou act like a douche23:17
teotwakiyou piss on everything everyone's done23:17
teotwakimaemo is dead23:17
teotwakimeego is dead23:17
teotwakijolla is vaporware23:17
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teotwakidebian runs on the galaxy tab23:18
teotwakiand android is actually nice to use23:18
teotwakinicer than maemo has ever been23:19
teotwakiand yes, I do mean shiny polish23:19
teotwakibut fuck me, i'm tired of ugly interfaces23:19
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teotwakiif nobody worked their arse off on maemo, it would be a god damn piece of shit, exactly the same as what you perceive android to be right now23:20
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teotwakiremember the optification disaster?23:21
StyXmanwhat I don't like in android (ok, at least from 2 years ago) is that most apps only use google services. if oyu have your own mail, maps, whatever, you're out of luck23:21
vi__I dont't understand why you are ranting.23:21
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teotwakii'm ranting because if the people who worked their magic on maemo had spent half the time they spent bitching about android actually trying to improve android, it would be awesome23:24
wmarone_work for free for google?23:24
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teotwakiwmarone_: oh fuck off, like we didn't work for free for nokia23:25
vi__teotwaki: are you qwerty12?23:25
wmarone_you're as angry and immature as he is23:26
wmarone_never quite see someone go out in as spiteful a firework show as that23:26
teotwakiwmarone_: well, re-read qwerty's last words, he left a paragraph for me23:27
wmarone_no thanks23:27
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teotwakiColour me sour, I'm just tired of people bitching about android, but not doing anything to fix things.23:27
wmarone_in any case, ranting about Nokia now is stupid23:27
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wmarone_teotwaki: you can't fix what's wrong with Android because it's systemic and developed behind closed doors by Google23:27
ilink_sycbasemaemo nice meego ok whats next jolla or tizen23:28
teotwakijolla is vapourware23:28
vi__teotwaki: oh wait...? you are THE french guy on IRC??23:28
teotwakivi__: except i'm not french, but yes.23:28
vi__I always assumed it was DocScrutinizer23:28
teotwakiDoc is german23:28
vi__I know.23:28
plourdehello i have posted in the n900 uboot ubuntu 12.04/12.10 forums and i just cant seem to get palis uboot to boot any menu entries im so confused on this, ubuntu boots when i use just the cmd boot, or run sdboot, maemo will not boot off emmc and i have partitioned nitdroid on the emmc as well and nothing will boot, i just reflashed my phone23:29
plourdeplease help if anyone can, i am so frusterated with myself23:29
teotwakianyway, going to make food, bbiab23:29
plourdeany help would be great, thanks everyone23:31
DocScrutinizer05plourde: ask Pali23:33
DocScrutinizer05but ask23:33
infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.23:33
PaliDocScrutinizer05, sorry I do not have time. I'm trying to solve:
DocScrutinizer05prolly some modular arithmetic23:34
plourdeim so confused on how to get anything to boot, beeen trying for a while with no luck, i just need to understand how to set up the bootmenu,item properly23:35
DocScrutinizer05hte main problem is: bootmenu.d is not meant for configuring uBoot23:37
merlin1991err it is23:38
merlin1991you drop your stuff23:38
merlin1991then you run u-boot-update-bootmenu23:38
DocScrutinizer05it's just a location where multiboot stores some crap, and uBoot tries to convert this to a proper config that behaves similar to multiboot23:38
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: that's exactly the flaw in uBoot concept as we got it right now23:39
plourdeok so what should i do, i am going to try installing again, i tried to use palis tarball as well with the kernels and nothing worked, also i did the u-boot-update-bootmenu they added and nothing would boot23:39
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: it's like telling firefox users to edit bookmark in msie and then import them from there23:40
plourdeused dkpg -i to install his 2 packages and tried adding his tarball package and it showed up in the menu and so did the ones it found but none would actually boot to an OS23:41
DocScrutinizer05plourde: sorry, I don't know what's currently suggested procedure to get uBoot configured and installed correctly23:42
DocScrutinizer05I'd edit the original uBoot menu script all day, rather then messing with bootmenu.d/* and u-boot-update-bootmenu23:43
plourdei have tried to read the forums i just cant figure it out, im pathetic lol, driving me mad actually.23:43
plourdei just dont know how to do any of this, i truly have read a lot, the old uboot pr13 works, but in that case i cant add nitdroid, using palis uboot i can23:43
merlin1991plourde: which hw revision do you have?23:43
merlin1991also which version of u-boot did you try to install23:43
DocScrutinizer05that's just because they are not explaining what's actually going on, and suggest editing firefox bookmarks via ms internet explorer23:44
plourdei have the  latest cssu stable installed23:44
merlin1991because there is a known problem with hw revisions other than 2101 and u-boot that prevents booting any kernel (except really recent ones) on a specific version of u-boot23:44
merlin1991plourde: check what you have in /proc/component_version23:45
merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: how exactly is it different from let's say current grub?23:46
infobotmerlin1991 meant: DocScrutinizer05: how exactly is it different from lets say current grub?23:46
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merlin1991you also edit files in /etc/grub.d or something and then run update-grub23:46
plourdei check23:46
plourdei know how to use grub to a small extent lol but this is rough, i just reflashed my phone again and was going to update the cssu update stable again23:47
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: that's maybe same procedure, but a completely different background23:47
merlin1991err why?23:47
DocScrutinizer05because bootmenu.d is property of bootmenu, first instance23:48
DocScrutinizer05and particularly because uBoot wouldn't need any update-uboot23:48
DocScrutinizer05it has a script that's meant to be human readable and editable23:49
merlin1991so if I do a $package that creates an entry in /etc/$package which would be a perfectly sane name for the new $packagey I own that directory or what?23:49
DocScrutinizer05if you say so23:50
DocScrutinizer05sorry parser-error23:50
vi__DocScrutinizer05: editing firefox bookmarks through ie?23:50
vi__what is this?23:50
DocScrutinizer05that's what uBoot u-boot-update-bootmenu does23:50
plourdeso what are the steps i should take for a proper boot menu, update lastest css stable, then what?23:51
DocScrutinizer05the uboot suggested procedure is to edit bootmenu.d/* entries and then **import** that from bootmenu to uBoot23:51
DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-15 22:45:47] <merlin1991> plourde: check what you have in /proc/component_version23:52
vi__when I boot my n900 with kbd open I see a menu that says 1. maemo, 2. backup menu.  It is black text on white background.23:52
merlin1991plourde: see if you have hw revision 2101 or not23:52
vi__do I have uboot installed?23:52
vi__it appeared when I installed kp51.23:52
plourdedo i need root to check proc/component23:52
DocScrutinizer05you got backupmenu installed I'd think23:52
DocScrutinizer05err, scratch that23:52
plourdejust started fresh again, no uboot yet23:53
merlin1991plourde: nope works as user just cat it23:53
plourdenot sure how to cat it, cd /proc/ ?23:53
DocScrutinizer05vi__: I can't tell what you got installed23:53
merlin1991plourde: just cat /proc/component_version23:54
DocScrutinizer05type: cat /proc/componen*23:54
DocScrutinizer05and enter23:54
plourdehw build is 220423:54
DocScrutinizer05it's not you23:55
DocScrutinizer05it's your hw-rev23:55
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plourdeso what now? hmm23:55
DocScrutinizer05get newest uBoot23:55
DocScrutinizer05afaik it's fixed there23:55
DocScrutinizer05ask Pali23:55
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DocScrutinizer05or freemangordon, or merlin199123:55
plourdefrom where? i downloaded directly from pali's post on rx 51 uboot23:56
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merlin1991plourde: gimme a sec23:56
plourdethanks so much23:56
DocScrutinizer05sorry for the inconvenience23:56
plourdealways going to have some sort of issue to start lol i just couldnt figure anything out it was so hard on the brain, i always figured out grub and grub2 menu's this i just couldnt figure out23:57
vi__plourde: you installed nitroid.23:58
DocScrutinizer05it's basically all same as grub23:58
merlin1991plourde: btw the real "menu" that is used is bootmenu.src in MyDocs23:58
vi__you were asking for pain.23:58
DocScrutinizer05and that bootmenu.src in MyDocs is what should get edited by user23:58
merlin1991 /etc/bootmenu.d + u-boot-update-bootmenu is just a nicer way to handle things (it generates the bootmenu.src in the end)23:58
DocScrutinizer05not some random bootmenu.d/* files23:58
plourdei had repartitioned emmc to allow nitdroid to be on it, 8g 21 g custom flash i believe was used23:59
plourdefor more application room23:59
DocScrutinizer05bootmenu.d is for bootmenu - you beg for truble with bootmenu when you mess with the files in there23:59
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