IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2012-10-16

plourde	ok	00:00
plourde	good to know	00:00
merlin1991	I don't see how that could happen if you have u-boot installed, since u-boot or bootmenu both go into the same flash area afaik	00:00
merlin1991	thus there is no bootmenu when u-boot is installed	00:00
* merlin1991 could be wrong though		00:00
plourde	bootmenus show up they just dont boot to maemo	00:00
DocScrutinizer05	in bootmenu.d you configure bootmenu, like in ie your configure ie bookmarks. you don't configure firefox bookamrks in ie and then export to firefox - you don't edit uBoot config in bootmenu.d and then export	00:00
merlin1991	plourde: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/u-boot-2012.10-rc3-1+zImage-2.6.28-omap1.fiasco	00:01
plourde	problem is i dont know how to do it i guess	00:01
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: that's ultra-nonsense: bootmenu is a userland app	00:01
merlin1991	if you flash that you should be able to boot everything again	00:01
merlin1991	see [23:00:32] -*- merlin1991 could be wrong though	00:01
plourde	i downloaded the file, what do i do with it?	00:01
merlin1991	user flasher to flash it to the device	00:02
DocScrutinizer05	bootmenu is a script called by preinit	00:02
plourde	im sorry for the stupid questions	00:02
plourde	use ubuntu to flash it to the device?	00:02
DocScrutinizer05	multiboot "exploits" bootmenu, and uBoot in fact reads out multiboot entries in bootmenu	00:02
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merlin1991	plourde: ubuntu or whatever you prefer .)	00:03
plourde	i have flasher 3.5 on ubuntu, so would i use this cmd, flasher-3.5 -F FILENAME -f -R ?	00:04
merlin1991	yep	00:04
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: I could have arbitrary other config in my bootmenu.d which is neither relevant to applicable for uBoot. And I could want uBoot config that for sure I don't want to see in bootmenu.d/*	00:04
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merlin1991	and you could just not run the update script and instead edit hte bootmenu.src and be happy	00:05
merlin1991	nobody tells you to use it	00:05
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DocScrutinizer05	s/to /nor /	00:05
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: merlin1991: I could have arbitrary other config in my bootmenu.d which is neither relevant nor applicable for uBoot. And I could want uBoot config that for sure I don't want to see in bootmenu.d/*	00:05
plourde	merlin what commands to flash this fiasco image?	00:05
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: right, except the "guides" on wiki and who-knows-where-else	00:06
merlin1991	plourde: exactly what you wrote	00:06
plourde	thats it? i know sometimes when its emmc based you dont use the -R	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	which tell everybody to do exactly that: mess with bootmenu config to edit uboot config	00:06
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: let me rephrase nobody forces you to use it	00:06
DocScrutinizer05	wrong: update-uboot is called in postinstall of uboot	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	firefox asks "shall I import msie bookmarks?"	00:07
DocScrutinizer05	uBoot doesn't ask	00:08
merlin1991	also jsut saying, but bootmenu loads /etc/bootmenu.conf not /etc/bootmenu.d/*	00:08
plourde	so after i flash this fiasco image, should i install kernel power 51r1? this is the newest uboot so i dont need to do anything else correct? flash this normally holding down u as i start my phone and flash it, then reboot?	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	whatever, I never looked in contemporary uBoot	00:08
DocScrutinizer05	plourde: NO	00:09
merlin1991	plourde: flash it by turning off your phone, start the flasher command on the pc and plug in the usb cord	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	you don't flash any other kernel, that will nuke your uBoot	00:09
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DocScrutinizer05	uBoot comes with own kernel	00:09
DocScrutinizer05	the other kernels will be image.bin files	00:10
merlin1991	plourde: also you only have to install kernel power 51r1 if you want it, but be sure not to install the -flasher pkg but the -bootimg package	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	^^^ bootimg	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	==image.bin	00:10
plourde	thats what i though, so phone off first, no other kernels either or it fried, ok perfect going to try now on linux computer, ok the small 168kb file is the kernel power just not the multiboot image	00:10
DocScrutinizer05	do NOT _flash_ a new kernel after installing uBoot	00:10
plourde	no i mean before i flash this image install kp51r1?	00:11
DocScrutinizer05	neither	00:11
DocScrutinizer05	the kernel that comes piggyback with uBoot is a stock kernel afaik, it will want to find stock kernel modules in your rootfs	00:12
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plourde	ok so just flash this image and reboot?	00:12
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: that would still work even if he installs kp51r1	00:12
merlin1991	plourde: yes	00:12
DocScrutinizer05	so you should install stock maemo kernel before you flash uBoot	00:12
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: no	00:12
DocScrutinizer05	ok, I stand corrected	00:12
plourde	im confused lol	00:12
merlin1991	plourde: just flash and reboot	00:13
plourde	ok, no kp then	00:13
DocScrutinizer05	do what merlin says	00:13
plourde	the kp allows the overclock which was nice, i wasnt sure, im sorry for all of this everyone	00:13
merlin1991	~oc	00:13
infobot	i heard oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s	00:13
merlin1991	damn where's hte overclock quote?	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	~omap-oc	00:14
infobot	methinks omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11	00:14
merlin1991	basically it comes down to overlocking is bad for your health ;)	00:14
DocScrutinizer05	~overclock	00:14
infobot	I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm.	00:14
plourde	lol	00:15
plourde	so dont overclock then	00:15
DocScrutinizer05	~overclocking	00:15
infobot	"OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?"	00:15
plourde	you guys are miles above me for this stuff, i do osx86 a lot thats the extend to my programming capabilities lol	00:15
vi__	I overclock 125-500MHz.	00:15
plourde	lol	00:16
vi__	who wrote that ~overclocking?	00:16
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo overclocking	00:16
infobot	overclocking -- created by greycat <wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Thu Jul 12 19:00:43 2001 (4113 days); it has been requested 38 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 4s ago.	00:16
vi__	9 Years ago??	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	nothing changed ;-P	00:17
vi__	THE greycat?	00:17
DocScrutinizer05	in my book that's 11 years	00:17
vi__	from #bash?	00:17
vi__	that guy is a bro king.	00:18
vi__	I went in and asked a dumb question about scripting...and he answered it!	00:18
vi__	so these factoids are freenode wide?	00:19
vi__	~tmo	00:19
infobot	it has been said that tmo is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMO, or http://talk.maemo.org, or http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrestrial_Trunked_Radio#TMO. It's not T-MO (see ~T-MO) or trolls, morons, oxen.	00:19
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-10-15 23:19:19] [314] DocScrutinizer05 greycat rfc1413 wooledge.org * Greg Wooledge	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-10-15 23:19:19] [Whois] greycat ist angemeldet als greycat.	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-10-15 23:19:19] [Whois] greycat ist auf dem Server moorcock.freenode.net (Mon Oct 15 21:10:44 2012).	00:20
vi__	~t-mo	00:20
infobot	i heard t-mo is T-Mobile	00:20
vi__	~T-MO	00:20
infobot	it has been said that t-mo is T-Mobile	00:20
vi__	lame	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	vi__: those without #channame are freenode-wide, yes	00:20
merlin1991	epic quote: you need a certain minimum energy of electrons to strike a metal atom out of crystal, once you cross that limit it goes zooom	00:20
vi__	DocScrutinizer05: cool	00:20
DocScrutinizer05	~listkeys #maemo	00:21
infobot	Factoid search of '#maemo' by key (8): #maemo power ;; #maemo multinoot #DEL# ;; #maemo #DEL# ;; #maemo omp ;; #maemo multiboot ;; chan #maemo #DEL# ;; #maemo closed_packages ;; #maemo-ssu ot.	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	~power	00:21
infobot	methinks power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	~_default power	00:21
infobot	methinks power is VI(electric potential difference)X(current) otherwise known as VIm	00:21
vi__	~seen U P	00:21
DocScrutinizer05	~chanset #maemo	00:21
infobot	vi__: i haven't seen 'u p'	00:21
infobot	chan: #maemo (see _default also)	00:21
infobot	OnJoin => 1, _time_added => 1179878166, autojoin => infobot, factoidSearch => $chan _default	00:21
vi__	DocScrutinizer05: that makes little sense.	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	??	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	factoidSearch => $chan _default	00:22
DocScrutinizer05	first search "$chan power" then "_default power"	00:22
vi__	no	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo power	00:23
infobot	power -- last modified at Tue Sep 25 17:51:32 2007 by findlay-w!n=justin@gocastlerock.com; it has been requested 9 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 1m 36s ago.	00:23
vi__	~_defaultpower	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	~factinfo #maemo power	00:23
infobot	#maemo power -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Sat May 21 19:09:22 2011 (513 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 2m ago.	00:23
vi__	~_default power	00:23
infobot	methinks power is VI(electric potential difference)X(current) otherwise known as VIm	00:23
DocScrutinizer05	in e.g #bash you will get same for plain ~power	00:23
vi__	~seen over 9000 penises.	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	since:	00:24
infobot	vi__: i haven't seen 'over 9000 penises.'	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	~chanset #bash	00:24
infobot	chan: #bash (see _default also)	00:24
plourde	awesome guys thanks! it created a menu for everything it looks like, maemo booted first boot perfect	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	duh	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	ok, bot isn't in #bash	00:24
DocScrutinizer05	you get what I meant	00:24
vi__	yeh	00:24
vi__	~seen diehard	00:25
infobot	diehard <~falco@132-215.prozeta.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 194d 23h 11m 46s ago, saying: 'Q: deb 6. BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet - eth0 properly configured, internet reachable, but server is not reachable from local subnets. ping works, telnet also, but cant open web or ssh .. anyone?'.	00:25
DocScrutinizer05	so, if you wanna define a factoid that's pretty chan specific, do so like "~#maemo <factoid> is foobar blabla	00:25
vi__	ok	00:26
vi__	I useually get spanked for breaking factoids though.	00:26
vi__	~vi_kbd	00:26
vi__	~vikbd	00:26
vi__	~vi-kbd	00:26
infobot	vi-kbd is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping	00:26
vi__	booyah!	00:26
DocScrutinizer05	you won't break the original factoid that way, that's the whole point of the thing	00:26
plourde	maemo boots but nothing else due to i had other menuentries in it before that didnt work, need to be edited i guess	00:27
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	00:27
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DocScrutinizer05	or you go the route of real men and edit the original bootmenu.src in MyDocs	00:28
plourde	i would love to learn how :)	00:28
plourde	do i remove all the bad entries from the bootmenu folder that do not work	00:28
merlin1991	just look at it, it sucks ass but is readable :D	00:28
DocScrutinizer05	like explained for any uBoot on this world, since 10 years	00:28
plourde	never used uboot till recently	00:29
DocScrutinizer05	you said you grok grub	00:29
plourde	this must be painful for you guys, im sorry	00:29
DocScrutinizer05	nah	00:29
DocScrutinizer05	in fact it teaches us a lesson	00:29
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05 loves a chacne to rant about $random bad software design decisions :D	00:30
plourde	ive used grub before, not great with it, not sure how to figure out partitions unless fdisk and dont know where to put what to make this boot lol	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	indeed	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	:-D	00:30
DocScrutinizer05	I guess there's a rather decent uboot wiki and howto on uboot homepage	00:30
merlin1991	rofl	00:31
plourde	ive opened the bootmenu.scr on mydocs	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	you for sure can spot the defect entries and just kick them out	00:31
plourde	using notes and its rough to look at lol	00:31
DocScrutinizer05	duh, you're working on device?	00:32
plourde	should i drag to a computer?	00:32
plourde	im sorry im just pretty stupid haha	00:32
DocScrutinizer05	I'm using a ssh login for such stuff	00:32
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plourde	ok	00:33
plourde	i feel so stupid right now	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	I'd not bother to edit bootmenu.src on N900, with the small screen and no mouse and all	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	don't feel stupid! you're actually rather smart to ask here and figure what's the problem	00:33
DocScrutinizer05	and you tried on your own before you asked here, hackers love to help those who demonstrate an intention to solve problems	00:34
DocScrutinizer05	but if you don't feel comfortable with bootmenu.src, just follow the instructions again. Odds are this time they work as written	00:36
plourde	i dont know how to make the entries make sense is the problem, im deleting some of the entries that dont work, after its done do i need to update anything or no	00:36
DocScrutinizer05	it all just failed because of your hw-rev, not because you didn't understand it	00:36
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Gh0sty	don't do it!	00:36
Gh0sty	odds are it might end the world as we know it! :p	00:37
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DocScrutinizer05	if you're editing in /bootmenu (like everybody suggests in the forum) then yes, you need to run update-uboot-foo after that	00:38
DocScrutinizer05	ask merlin1991	00:38
plourde	im editing in mydocs .scr	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	I'm afk	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	bbl	00:39
plourde	bootmenu.scr	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	aaah, that has immediate effect	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	uBoot reading this file on every boot	00:39
DocScrutinizer05	it's basically a script with uboot commands, iirc	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	much like a shellscript	00:40
DocScrutinizer05	in this script there are some "env" set, for loading the kernel, the rootfs etc	00:41
DocScrutinizer05	cya	00:42
plourde	after removing some of the old menu entries, it now just shows the menu like after installing uboot by pali, boot attached, boot emmc ect, no menu entries	00:44
DocScrutinizer05	sounds like a first success story	00:45
plourde	now i need to figure out menu entries, here is where im lost	00:48
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DocScrutinizer05	meh, he's gone	02:37
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DocScrutinizer05	so I won't bother to write up a "how to edit bootmenu.src in MyDocs"	02:38
DocScrutinizer05	plourde: if you read chanlog, please pastebin your (original, favourably) bootmenu.src in MyDocs	02:40
DocScrutinizer05	or anybody else, for that purpose	02:40
DocScrutinizer05	it's no rocket science, just a tad awkward. No problem to add "menu" entries for other boot options	02:41
DocScrutinizer05	you need to create an alias 2cmd" for 1, 2, 3, 4... You need to echo that option to screen (or not). And you need to assign the right env vars the right values, when user is selecting "2"	02:44
DocScrutinizer05	s/2c/"c/	02:44
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: you need to create an alias "cmd" for 1, 2, 3, 4... You need to echo that option to screen (or not). And you need to assign the right env vars the right values, when user is selecting "2"	02:44
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DocScrutinizer05	really nuttin like rocket science	02:46
DocScrutinizer05	even better: you can test all that stuff interactively, since when uBoot offers you to enter 1 2 3 or 4, it actually does what a shellscript would do. you can test the commands resulting from "2" by doing them directly in console	02:48
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DocScrutinizer05	IOW if uboot tells you: >>your options are "1" "2" "3"...<< you still can do e.g. a `date` or `ls`	02:53
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DocScrutinizer05	unless some "crack" "fixed" that	03:02
FIQ\|n900	i wouldn't call it a problem really	03:02
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DocScrutinizer05	the basic working principle stays: uBoot executes a script: bootmenu.src in MyDocs	03:03
DocScrutinizer05	FIQ\|n900: problem?	03:03
FIQ\|n900	i.e. this: [01:52:16] <DocScrutinizer05> IOW if uboot tells you: >>your options are "1" "2" "3"...<< you still can do e.g. a `date` or `ls`	03:04
* DocScrutinizer05 types ^F probl<enter>		03:04
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FIQ\|n900	i don't see why you would fix so you can't do that	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	FIQ\|n900: I fail to spot the word "problem2"in here	03:05
FIQ\|n900	oh.. forget it	03:05
FIQ\|n900	it wasn't important	03:06
DocScrutinizer05	FIQ\|n900: my parser fails to put the rsults of your posts into context	03:06
FIQ\|n900	i said forget it	03:06
FIQ\|n900	now to find out why gpSP refuses to save in 128k flash format...	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	parser fails again	03:07
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DocScrutinizer05	~wtf gpSP	03:08
infobot	Gee... I don't know what gpSP means...	03:08
FIQ\|n900	because I don't like errors that complain on any 1M sub-circuit board	03:08
FIQ\|n900	DocScrutinizer05: gba emulator	03:08
DocScrutinizer05	~wtf gba	03:08
infobot	Gee... I don't know what gba means...	03:08
FIQ\|n900	DocScrutinizer05: gameboy advance emulator	03:08
DocScrutinizer05	oooh	03:09
DocScrutinizer05	nfc	03:09
DocScrutinizer05	goooodN8	03:09
FIQ\|n900	gn	03:09
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foemost	hello	09:22
foemost	I have a small problem booting maemo using u-boot	09:22
foemost	mainly it loads the kernel but then it hangs at starting kernel... and reboots	09:22
foemost	the only way to have it working again is to reflash the stock kernel	09:23
foemost	I'm not booting power kernels, just the stock, and uboot does work for booting nitdroid	09:23
foemost	any ideas?	09:23
foemost	i looked on the forums at maemo.org but I couldn't find a similar problem, just an hint to sdl modules from n9 that might give problems, but i didn't install anything like that	09:24
Snafu777	anyone get ngrep working for the n900?	09:24
Snafu777	??	09:24
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akls	on the wiki it says " Ensure the battery is fully charged. Connect to charger until green light when screen locked!" but why? reflashing takes just some minutes and even 25% of battery is going to be enough	13:14
SpeedEvil	fully chaeged'ia perhaps overkill	13:17
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Lava_Croft	half charged is overkill too	13:26
StyXman	well, that is if everything went ok, if not, you'll need your battery	13:28
SpeedEvil	indeed	13:28
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Lava_Croft	one day shit will hit the fan. After a week, I will be the only human in a wide radius with a working smartphone-ish device	13:29
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SpeedEvil	without power, my minimal load condition gets about 10 days tablet +dsl	13:34
Lava_Croft	i stream audio quite a lot, every day :<	13:34
SpeedEvil	but I can in an emergency hook the couple of solar panels I have up to the ups, and boost that to a point where it will work for most days in the year	13:35
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laptop3982	SpeedEvil, do you have a local mirror of maemo repository for your survival phone?	15:03
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akls	I can't get dropn900 to work. I enter my email and my password and it says "email and/or password invalid". I'm 100% sure about my pass. What could be wrong?	15:40
Arkenoi	you enabled 2fa and forgot about that?	15:45
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akls	Arkenoi, 2fa? on dropbox?	15:47
akls	nope	15:47
akls	I can login using the browser easily	15:47
Skry	there was something you needed to besides installing it, cant remember what but it's on tmo thread	15:51
Skry	to do	15:51
SpeedEvil	lap - no, that's with internet connectivity	15:52
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akls	Skry, it says that I shouldn't install anything	15:58
akls	says thats installing dropn900 is all I have to do	15:58
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akls	anybody? :\	16:03
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akls	oh come on! I really need it!	16:20
akls	how can I get more information about it?	16:21
akls	and should I try reinstalling it?	16:21
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teotwaki	would mirroring the maemo repos be of any use?	16:23
teotwaki	Are there rsync addresses available?	16:23
Skry	akls: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1162398&postcount=417	16:33
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akls	Skry!!!	16:53
akls	Skry you're my savior :)	16:53
akls	thank you	16:53
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Skry	akls: np	16:57
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freemangordon	Pali: I am not sure my mail has reached the guy who is assessing u-boot patch, I don;t see any comment from him re thumb errata code	18:58
Pali	freemangordon, ok I can ask	19:00
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freemangordon	Pali: BTW your "high-endian" :P could be soved with something like le_to_cpu (or similar)	19:24
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Pali	big-endian :-) but there is no problem. 16bit value is devided into two 8 bit and called in correct order	19:29
Pali	it is working	19:30
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Pali	btw, your message is here: http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-October/137308.html	19:38
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freemangordon	:)	19:50
freemangordon	Pali: sure it is working, but I must admit I agree wioth that guy. can't you just 'OR' theam and do one 16 bit write to the register?	19:51
Pali	I really do not know. I reused linux driver	19:52
freemangordon	hmm, lemme open the TRM	19:52
Pali	and I see that in linux kernel and in uboot are used only 8bit i2c read/write functions	19:53
kerio	freemangordon: btw, why is thumb2 faster? just because of cache issues?	19:55
freemangordon	kerio: not only that, it has a couple of instructions not present in ARM	19:56
kerio	i thought ARM was supposed to be better	19:57
freemangordon	kerio: no	19:57
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freemangordon	Pali: hmm, by looking in TRM 16bit write is possible	20:00
freemangordon	Pali: do yo have swcu050g.pdf	20:00
freemangordon	*you	20:00
Pali	spruf98v.pdf	20:01
freemangordon	"The register-addressing scheme in the device allows the capability to write to or read from multiple adjacent registers with simplified I2C signaling.	20:01
freemangordon	"	20:01
freemangordon	no, not cortex TRM, you need twl4030 TRM AIUI	20:01
Pali	this? http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/swcu050g/swcu050g.pdf	20:01
freemangordon	yep	20:02
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freemangordon	Pali: btw the correct TRM for n900 is "OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZM.pdf"	20:02
freemangordon	:P	20:02
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Pali	can you give me link?	20:02
freemangordon	NFC where I did get that from, lemme google	20:03
freemangordon	http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZM.zip	20:03
freemangordon	maybe there is newer version, didn't check	20:04
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Pali	hm, In notebook I have OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZT.pdf	20:05
Pali	and your link is M (my T)	20:05
Pali	it is new version?	20:05
Pali	or other version?	20:06
freemangordon	don;t know, seems like yours is newer	20:06
freemangordon	mine is "Version M"	20:06
freemangordon	"July 2007–Revised February 2011"	20:06
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freemangordon	anyway, where in that TRM is "TWL4030_CHIP_PM_MASTER"	20:07
Pali	July 2007 – Revised January 2012	20:07
freemangordon	I don;t think there is such, so which section describes i2c addressing modes?	20:08
freemangordon	hmm, link? :P	20:08
entitled	is there any reason why not use thumb2?	20:08
Pali	it is #define in linux kernel	20:09
Pali	twlsomething.h maybe in i2c subdir	20:09
freemangordon	Pali: or just send it over IRC (if your client supports file transfers)	20:09
Pali	or devifine in uboot	20:09
freemangordon	Pali: but still, this is twl... TRM, not omap	20:09
Pali	but in TRM there is no TWL4030_CHIP_PM_MASTER	20:09
freemangordon	Pali: look on p80 in swcu050g.pdf	20:11
freemangordon	entitled: depends	20:11
freemangordon	on what you want to use it for :P	20:11
entitled	well mainly i'm puzzled about the compatibility	20:12
freemangordon	Pali: on p81 are PB_WORD_MSB/LSB regs	20:12
freemangordon	entitled: compatibility with what?	20:12
entitled	well with non-thumb2 builds	20:13
freemangordon	for sure you MUST NOT use kernel which does not support it	20:13
freemangordon	but otherwise there is no issue	20:13
kerio	~2119	20:13
infobot	The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.	20:13
freemangordon	hehe	20:14
freemangordon	Pali: so if there is 16 bit i2c access in uboot, you should be ok	20:14
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freemangordon	just use cpu_to_be and you should be fine	20:15
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freemangordon	Pali: __cpu_to_be16 is your functio, NFC if it exisis in u-boot	20:17
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freemangordon	Pali: http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/byteorder/little_endian.h;h=a46f3ecc12acf6cd532ee6424812861bdf1c5e95;hb=HEAD#l40	20:18
freemangordon	hmm, actually it is little-endian	20:19
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freemangordon	according to TRM, so __cpu_to_le16 is what you need	20:20
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freemangordon	Pali: look here http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/twl4030.h;h=9cd32ab45a15dcc61ce537bf3316fd45dabd2b81;hb=HEAD#l499	20:26
freemangordon	http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=blob;f=include/i2c.h;h=16f099d2eeb906588a0f9233a42fb8b9a9847ef4;hb=HEAD#l156	20:28
freemangordon	too	20:28
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laptop3982	the latest seems to be http://www.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZV.zip	20:36
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freemangordon	Pali: well, sorry, it is big-endian after all, so you should do something like :	20:39
freemangordon	u16 msg = __cpu_to_be16(MSG_SINGULAR(DEV_GRP_P1, id, mode));	20:39
freemangordon	i2c_write(TWL4030_CHIP_PM_MASTER, TWL4030_PM_MASTER_PB_WORD_MSB, 1, &msg, sizeof(msg));	20:39
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akls	so how can I install firefox? Links are not working! http://wiki.maemo.org/Firefox_mobile	21:08
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akls	ALRIGHT	21:26
akls	so I was trying to replace ash with bash	21:27
akls	I've edited the /etc/passwd file and changed /bin/sh to /bin/bash	21:27
akls	but I have bash 4 installed	21:27
akls	so the path should be /bin/bash4	21:28
akls	but now I can't change it :\	21:28
akls	what can I do?	21:28
DocScrutinizer05	sigh http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP34xx_ES3.1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vZM.zip p.2956 1-wire/HDQ -- if only Nokia was smart enough to copy smart battery of FR (they copied a few other things, so why not this?)	21:28
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DocScrutinizer05	akls: it's not recommended to replace default shell messybox by bash	21:33
akls	why?	21:33
DocScrutinizer05	in former times it caused a bootloop (when done correctly(SIC), by also adding bash to /etc/shells etc)	21:33
akls	So what do yo suggest?	21:34
DocScrutinizer05	initscripts and xsession et all may depend on messyboxisms	21:34
akls	To continue vomiting every time I see this damn shell?	21:34
akls	well, I'm not completely replacing it	21:35
akls	only for user and root in /etc/passwd	21:35
DocScrutinizer05	nah, I have bash installed but not as default shell	21:35
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	21:35
infobot	well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	21:35
DocScrutinizer05	btw bash is only half of the cake, all the messybox unixtools crap needs proper replacements too, otherwise you still see messybox shit on e.g. `ls --help` and you still have to vomit ;-D	21:36
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DocScrutinizer05	akls: the bootloop been caused by user doing X aka HildonDesktop startup, when some of the scripts barfed up on proper ps/ls/grep/$command	21:39
akls	anyway, how can I fix my n900 now?	21:40
akls	it's up and running, but I can't get to x terminal now	21:40
akls	how can I edit /etc/passwd now?	21:40
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kerio	akls: lol!	21:41
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kerio	hm, why do i have bash3 and not bash4? :o	21:42
DocScrutinizer05	many users forgot to define bash in /etc/shells	21:42
kerio	bash-setup does that for you :3	21:42
DocScrutinizer05	man setusershell	21:42
akls	hey, really	21:43
kerio	akls: try ssh	21:43
DocScrutinizer05	so they wonder why they still get messybox	21:43
kerio	maybe sshd is less archaic	21:43
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akls	kerio, good idea	21:43
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: the result isn't messybox, the result is that you're unable to login	21:43
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	21:43
akls	kerio, is dropbear ssh server ok?	21:44
kerio	why the fuck did you install dropbear	21:44
kerio	it's a piece of crap	21:45
DocScrutinizer05	akls: you might be able to use mc or even filemanager to fix things, too	21:45
akls	I didn't	21:45
akls	kerio, I'm just looking for something to make ssh work	21:45
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kerio	oh, you still have to install it	21:45
kerio	openssh	21:45
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akls	it's not in the app manager :o	21:45
DocScrutinizer05	it is, when you add the right repo	21:45
kerio	akls: or make a package that has "chsh user /bin/sh" in one of the install scripts	21:46
akls	OH	21:46
akls	it's there	21:46
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	21:46
infobot	from memory, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	21:46
DocScrutinizer05	http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install	21:47
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akls	kerio, how can I ssh to it now? I mean... which user should I use?	21:51
kerio	"user"	21:52
akls	Permission denied, please try again	21:52
kerio	didn't it make you set a password?	21:53
kerio	or maybe just for "root"	21:53
kerio	login as root	21:53
akls	it asked me for the password	21:53
akls	but somehow it does not accept it	21:53
akls	maybe I've typed it wrong both times? O_o	21:54
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vi__	DocScrutinizer05: ping	21:58
vi__	DocScrutinizer05: did you ever find a good sized 5.5v 1F cap to replace the internal battery?	21:59
DocScrutinizer05	nope	21:59
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: don't you think ssh also invokes a shell for user?	22:00
akls	that's what I thought about	22:00
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: yeah but i think openssh doesn't use login	22:00
kerio	as in, the "login" binary	22:00
kerio	it does its own thing	22:00
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kerio	also, i said to try	22:01
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kerio	akls: what did you do, did you actually change /bin/sh or did you just set the shell for user?	22:01
akls	kerio, I've changed /etc/passwd file	22:01
akls	kerio, replaced the /bin/sh to /bin/bash for root and user	22:01
kerio	if openssh doesn't work, you're probably boned	22:02
vi__	kerio: google 'birds with arms'	22:02
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akls	kerio, I can install any app	22:02
kerio	vi__: WHY IS THIS A THING	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	kerio:	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	1 706 root 20 0 S - - - 0:00.12 0.0 0.3 `- /usr/sbin/sshd -D	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	706 5036 root 20 0 S - - - 0:00.43 0.0 0.8 \| `- sshd: root@pts/0	22:02
akls	kerio, is there anything to change /etc/passwd file?	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	5036 5040 root 20 0 S - - - 0:00.03 0.0 0.3 \| `- -sh	22:02
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: don't paste!	22:02
vi__	kerio: exactly	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: see 3rd line	22:02
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: uh?	22:03
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i don't see a "login" there :)	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	wtf who cares about login	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	it's sh	22:03
kerio	it's login that does the stupid check for the login shell in /etc/shells	22:03
DocScrutinizer05	hmm	22:03
* kerio has "/bin/bash" as the login shell for user and root, and everything works		22:04
akls	kerio, oh	22:04
akls	kerio, but I have bash 4 installed	22:04
akls	kerio, and it's bash4	22:04
kerio	ok, whatever	22:04
kerio	just make sure that your login shell is listed in /etc/shells	22:04
DocScrutinizer05	akls: try mc!!	22:04
akls	kerio, if I install bash3, would it be /bin/bash?	22:04
akls	or /bin/bash3 ?	22:05
kerio	akls: i think it would	22:05
kerio	but don't focus on the specific path	22:05
akls	DocScrutinizer05, mc?	22:05
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: we need a .deb that resets the login shell to /bin/sh	22:05
akls	oh, file manager	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	pfff	22:05
DocScrutinizer05	akls: mc has mcedit as well	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	"F4"	22:06
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: can mc escalate its priviledges?	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	(if you wonder - F4 can be typed as "esc" "4" )	22:06
DocScrutinizer05	kerio: good question	22:07
kerio	otherwise... rescueos :D	22:07
DocScrutinizer05	:-P	22:07
akls	PHEWT	22:08
DocScrutinizer05	classical shoot-in-own-foot, now we need a "vulenrability" to get in despite we locked us out	22:10
akls	fixed it by installing bash3	22:10
kerio	oh, it was just a wrong shell?	22:10
kerio	that's even more hilarious	22:10
akls	kerio, ?	22:10
kerio	you put /bin/bash instead of /bin/bash4?	22:10
akls	kerio, in /etc/passwd I've typed /bin/bash	22:10
akls	yes	22:10
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, iirc bash4 is actually /bin/bash4	22:11
DocScrutinizer05	while bash3 is /bin/bash	22:11
akls	kerio, now what about /etc/shells?	22:12
kerio	akls: afaik bash3's packaging adds /bin/bash to it	22:13
akls	kerio, /bin/bash4 and /bin/sh are already there	22:13
kerio	otherwise... dk	22:13
kerio	idk	22:13
akls	kerio, anything I should do with this file?	22:13
kerio	well, you can't modify it	22:13
kerio	can you?	22:13
DocScrutinizer05	cat it, for a start	22:13
kerio	hmm, i wonder if mc can run arbitrary binaries	22:13
akls	I can, why not?	22:13
DocScrutinizer05	if it's even there	22:13
kerio	like "/bin/bash"	22:13
akls	/bin/bash4	22:14
akls	/bin/sh	22:14
kerio	i mean, does it use exec* or does it use system?	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, you should echo /bin/bash >>/etc/shells	22:14
DocScrutinizer05	but again, it's not recommended	22:15
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DocScrutinizer05	though kerio claims it works now	22:15
kerio	it's been working since PR1.2	22:15
DocScrutinizer05	it didn't back in PR1.N times, with N<2	22:16
akls	"yeah, you should echo /bin/bash >>/etc/shells" why if I want to use bash4?	22:23
akls	and bash 4 is already there somehow	22:23
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akls	kerio, sudo gainroot open ash shell	22:32
akls	kerio, how did you fix it?	22:32
kerio	i didn't have to fix anything, idk	22:33
kerio	if you used chsh instead of editing /etc/passwd...	22:33
akls	kerio, can I edit it back and then use chsh?	22:33
kerio	you can chsh now	22:33
kerio	do you have a root shell running?	22:33
akls	yes	22:34
akls	chsh -s /bin/bash4 user && chsh -s /bin/bash4 root	22:34
akls	?	22:34
akls	am I doing it right?	22:35
kerio	yep	22:35
akls	so I open up x terminal ( bash 4 )	22:36
akls	then I type "sudo gainroot"	22:36
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akls	and now its ash again	22:36
akls	:\	22:36
kerio	of course it is	22:36
akls	oh	22:36
kerio	gainroot is a fucking abomination	22:36
akls	sudo root then?	22:36
kerio	just add an appropriate entry in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/	22:36
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akls	kerio, did you mean /etc/sudoers? :\	22:38
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kerio	nope!	22:40
kerio	add it in a file in /etc/sudoers.d/ and then run update-sudoers	22:40
kerio	otherwise it'll be overwritten as soon as something installs a new file there, in theory	22:41
akls	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71236259/2012-10-16-224120_960x148_scrot.png	22:41
kerio	sudser and rootsh are both fucking awful	22:41
akls	lol	22:42
kerio	sure, they're user-friendly	22:42
kerio	but root access shouldn't be available to users who need user-friendly	22:42
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akls	kerio, got it!	22:47
akls	ok now	22:47
akls	I'll try rebooting...	22:47
akls	thanks!	22:47
akls	:)	22:47
DocScrutinizer05	sudser is a brainfsck	22:47
DocScrutinizer05	~jrtools	22:48
infobot	[jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	22:48
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not quoting this 3 times now, just for fun	22:48
DocScrutinizer05	(([2012-10-16 21:47:38] <akls> I'll try rebooting...)) famous last words :-P	22:49
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DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# ls -l `which sh`	22:51
DocScrutinizer05	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2012-09-11 15:34 /bin/sh -> busybox	22:51
DocScrutinizer05	think about that, then ponder if you really want to replace messybox by bash4 systemwide	22:52
akls	DocScrutinizer05, it worked	22:52
DocScrutinizer05	"it worked" is irrelevant, "it still works, and I tested every possible case" is a tad more relevant but obviously an inherent lie	22:54
akls	and I had to change password again to ssh successfully	22:54
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i tested every possible case!	22:56
kerio	i tested /bin/bash and /bin/BASH	22:57
kerio	the second one didn't work	22:57
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DocScrutinizer05	oooh a joke, dude I'm really sub-par today	23:03
DocScrutinizer05	anyway, gainroot is not exactly an abomination, it simply is using /bin/sh, see: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2012-09-11 15:34 /bin/sh -> busybox	23:06
DocScrutinizer05	less /usr/sbin/gainroot	23:07
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: gainroot, according to nokia, is a check for rd-mode and then a root shell	23:08
kerio	rootsh changes that file in a postinstall script, which is already a big fucking no	23:08
DocScrutinizer05	though I admit >>HISTFILE=/root/.ash_history /bin/sh<< is a tad ... silly	23:09
kerio	there's a proper way to do what rootsh and sudser fail to do	23:10
DocScrutinizer05	...since it assumes /bin/sh is a synonym for ash	23:10
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kerio	meh, this kind of thing is a mess on the n900 :s	23:15
DocScrutinizer05	messybox is a mess	23:15
DocScrutinizer05	everything else is just a result of that	23:16
kerio	also the "single user, single login" thing	23:16
kerio	that's not necessarily busybox's fault	23:16
DocScrutinizer05	that's correct	23:20
DocScrutinizer05	Nokia dropped the ball there, for no good reason	23:20
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DocScrutinizer05	at least that's my uneducated notion on it	23:21
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