IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2012-10-17

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FIQ|n900"unzip: zip flags 1 and 8 are not supported" is this busybox' fault or zip creator's fault?01:17
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DocScrutinizer05RST38h: hm?02:25
Skryhe has some issues with animals, last time it was a hamster if i recall02:25
DocScrutinizer05hehe yep02:25
DocScrutinizer05though I guess animal have problems with RST38h02:26
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Skryyes, apparently02:26
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RST38hDoc: Nothing personal towards the critters, just coding for Android02:29
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* SpeedEvil sings at android.02:37
* SpeedEvil stabs android vkbd,02:37
RST38hbetter stab SurfaceView02:37
RST38hso much quasisexual intercourse, and it does not even give you direct access to the framebuffer.02:38
SpeedEvilI'd pay $25 or so for a solution that enabled proper integration of X apps into it.02:38
RST38hthat will cost you $25k02:38
SpeedEvilso that a KDE app could bring up and down wifi, foe example02:39
RST38hin development costs02:39
SpeedEvilI mean as a user.02:39
SpeedEvilI know.02:39
RST38hnobody gives a damn about android users02:39
RST38heven google02:39
SpeedEvilit's basically the same issue as wanting x apps to be able to interact with windows programs in wine.02:39
SpeedEvilin many ways I'd like to be able t buy a Google subscription.02:40
SpeedEviland turn off all the ads.02:40
RST38hyou can turn off all the ads02:42
RST38hsearch "LuckyPatcher", except that I specifically check for it in my apps and refuse to run =)02:43
SpeedEvilwell, yes. :-)02:43
SpeedEvilmy hugest objection to android is the permission model.02:43
RST38hActually, need to figure out just what exactly it does at the low level and kill it properly02:44
RST38hWith minimal collateral damage02:44
SpeedEvil5 of the 6 top calculator apps have all the permissions they need to scan my network at 3am, and report back to China.02:44
SpeedEvilor start spamming02:44
RST38hthat too02:44
RST38hbut it is no different from Symbian or [hehe] Harmattan02:44
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SpeedEvil'same origin' internet connectivity would be a bit better02:45
SpeedEviland a separate channel to push as even better yet02:45
RST38hpermission contract models basically suck, yes02:45
SpeedEvilpush as02:45
* RST38h considers publishing his own calculators apps02:46
RST38hSpeedEvil: Will you use something like this?
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SpeedEvilto be honest02:47
RST38hoh well02:47
SpeedEvilcurrently using 'realcalc'02:47
SpeedEvilbut I don't think I've actually used it for more than a 4 op calculator02:48
SpeedEvilthe market can feel extremely shallow02:48
RST38hmine is actually better btw02:48
SpeedEvilthere are half a down 'cad' apps02:48
SpeedEvilthey all suck on touchscreens02:48
RST38hYes, Captain Obvious02:48
SpeedEvilthere is be proof of concept thing with an awesome idea that nobody uses02:49
RST38hBecause (1) Free or $.99 apps are not worth developing and maintaining02:49
SpeedEvilone finger moves cursor, which is offset02:49
SpeedEvilother finger is 'pen up/down'02:50
SpeedEviland discovery is a bitch02:50
RST38hand (2) Chinese can produce dozens of apps a month, but it does not mean you will want to use any of them02:50
RST38hFunny how all these calc apps look the same =) Kids just ain't all that inventive nowadays...02:52
SpeedEvilnot looking the same is a legitimate barrier to entry02:52
* SpeedEvil is annoyed at the charge metre driver of the nexus 7.02:54
SpeedEvildoesn't expose current_now02:54
RST38h...SCP-1867 is a nudibranch of the species Nembrotha kubaryana (variable neon slug), measuring 11.7 cm (4.6 inches) in length. It identifies itself as Lord Theodore Thomas Blackwood, a British explorer and naturalist, speaks with terminology and style appropriate to late nineteenth century England, and is generally friendly and cooperative with researchers.02:55
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SpeedEvilslide rule looks awesome02:56
SpeedEvilbut I they to avoid derivatives these days :-)02:56
RST38hHow about ratios?02:57
RST38hSlideRule will try simplifying a ratio for you before going to decimal point and losing precision02:57
SpeedEvilI'm truly surprised at what n900s are still going for on eBay03:01
RST38hHow about n950s?03:01
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ShadowJKI wish there was a way in android to make arbitrary apps not freeze when you switch to another app. But then again, I have a suspicion all the powersaving relies on this freeze-the-world model, and there'd be a few magnitudes more powerdrain issues with it compare to maemo.03:06
SpeedEvil:-\ tempting03:06
RST38hIt is not even freezing03:06
SpeedEviland to do it right would be hard.03:06
SpeedEvilit can be freezing03:06
RST38hIt is Suspend/Resume model like Maemo3 had03:06
RST38hBefore Maemo folks figured out the trick of deep-sleeping on I/O03:06
RST38hSo, there are Java handlers that are supposed to save app state explicitely on Suspend03:07
ShadowJKSometimes it's just freeze, sometimes it's restart to saved state03:07
SpeedEvilI want to be able to play video with flash, or use a chat site based around flahpsh with Firefox in the background03:07
RST38hShadowJK: It is never "freeze" in the classical sense (i.e. thombstoning)03:07
SpeedEvilbut I also want it to freeze when it's not doing that03:07
* ShadowJK only started using Maemo at maemo4, and the only app that seems to do the save state thingy properly is "Notes"03:07
RST38hShadowJK: If you do not explicitely save and restore state, you are fucked.03:07
RST38hMaemo4 actually still had the suspend/resume mechanism and it was documented at great length03:08
RST38hI had to explain to a few people that this stuff is no longer relevant03:08
ShadowJKWell I mean that I can notice a difference in android when apps were just "suspended" compared to when they were unloaded and restarted from some saved state03:09
SpeedEvildepends on the app03:09
ShadowJKI remember reading the suspend/resume mechanism in the maemo docs, and thought it was kinda amusing considering no app implements it03:09
SpeedEvilsome come IP fast enough03:10
SpeedEviland to a close enough sate03:10
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ShadowJKWell like if I play a RC Heli simulator game, and switch to browser, and then back to heli sim, sometimes the heli sim resumes exactly where I was, sometimes it goes back to main menu. Browser sometimes resumes exactly where I was, sometimes displays grayed out contents, and then I have to activate every fucking tab again and wait for everything to redownload from the internet again. The whole point of tabs is to avoid loading times :-(03:11
SpeedEvilespecially irritating when you know there's lots of free ram03:12
ShadowJKAfter Jelly Bean upgrade I don't see more than about 300M free at best.03:12
ShadowJKHow can it burn so much ram :-(03:12
SpeedEvilthat too03:13
ShadowJKAlso, the vkb has more stutter and lag than in maemo. That's without swap, with more keep-memory-free policies than maemo,  with 4 times the memory, with 4 cores running at 3X the speed of the N900's single core. Incredible :)03:15
Hurrianiirc if an app doesn't have a taskbar icon, it gets killed the next time memory is cleaned.03:15
RST38hShadowJK: Well, you are supposed to save state on Destroy03:15
RST38hShadowJK: But it is best to save it on Suspend =)03:16
RST38hShadowJK: Because with the way Android works, the Destroy() may get called a day from now, and not all of your app will still be intact then =)03:16
RST38hSuspend is more like receiving a focus-out event, although there is a separate focus-out in Android as well03:17
ShadowJKSo you're telling me as user, how programmers should implement one of the most annoying features of anroid properly? :-)03:17
RST38hI hope now you see why a ritual animal sacrifice is a necessary element of ANdroid programming03:17
RST38hShadowJK: Just holding you above the abyss and making you watch =)03:18
ShadowJKI'd be more into a way of disabling it :-(03:18
RST38hCan't disable this crap, it is too deeply embedded03:18
* SpeedEvil wishes there was some way to run stock accelerated x, even without android on the nexus 703:18
RST38h+ there is another problem: out of 1GB of RAM, you are usually only left with 60-100MB because the rest gets eaten by all those resident apps and services03:19
ShadowJKBecause it's fucking annoying when switching away from the thing on the screen, when the thing on the screne happens to be playing music or similar, makes it stop, and then I switch back, and it has to re-establish network connections and it takes fucking ages, as punishment to remind that I can't do more than one thing at once03:19
RST38hSpeedEvil: I think there may be. Ask Stskeeps.03:19
RST38hShadowJK: The writer of that thing-on-the-screen should declare it as a "service" to Android and then the OS won't kill it.03:19
ShadowJKRST38h, a website?03:20
SpeedEvilI have. n7 I dropped on a rock. :-\03:20
RST38hShadowJK: you are plaing stuff off a website?03:20
SpeedEvilno touchscreen anymore03:20
RST38hShadowJK: get yourself a music player app instead, will you?03:20
SpeedEvilhence it's rather less use under android03:20
ShadowJKRST38h, I haven't found any that can extract the stream url from arbitrary websites yet :-)03:21
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ShadowJKI've actually got same site working on N900 in MPlayer, and it doesn't pause if I switch screen off or switch to IRC, thank god.03:22
SpeedEvilfun race condition.03:22
SpeedEvilstock media player, if you play a video, you can lock it before playing, and it doesn't notice03:23
ShadowJKYeah :-)03:23
SpeedEvilthat's another thing everyone fails at,03:23
SpeedEvilI don't always care abut the video on videos.03:23
ShadowJKIt's useful for stuff where you mostly want to listen to the audio03:23
ShadowJKBut if you suddenly want to see the video, and switch to it, and then switch away, it pauses :-(03:24
ShadowJKand you need extra trickery to resume audio only service :-(03:24
* ShadowJK hasn't managed resume yet03:24
ShadowJKSome analysts recently concluded alot of people only have the TV on in the background, like sitting in couch surfing on tablet for sites and forums of a show while the show is on TV, and similar03:33
ShadowJKI think I'm where I'd want to do this on a single device instead of two03:33
ShadowJKthe ctrl-backspace of N900 certainly feels as natural and as fast as refocusing eyes on TV across the sofa table :-)03:34
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ShadowJKSpeedEvil, btw what IRC client do you use?03:35
SpeedEvilit has issues, but I have connection problems with my router (grr)03:36
SpeedEviland it's at least open source03:37
SpeedEvil'floatirc' looks interesting in principle03:37
SpeedEviloverlaying windows on other apps03:38
ShadowJKSamsung Note 2 looks interesting, seems able to run 2 arbitrary apps simultaneously03:39
ShadowJKIt's sad when "2" is revolutionary :-(03:39
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foremosti have a problem with u-boot for maemo. if i install uboot-pr13 from extras devel i can boot maemo but not nitdroid, if i install pali's uboot from i can boot nitdroid but not maemo07:47
foremostthe kernel they use for booting is the same so i guess there is a problem with the bootloader07:48
foremostpali's bootloader hangs at starting kernel ... and then reboots07:48
foremostis there some option i have to pass to the kernel i'm not aware of?07:49
foremostthe maemo installation is a clean maemo5 for n900, global07:49
Sicelowhat hardware revision you have?07:59
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Snafu777Foo powe08:09
Snafu777Anyone up in here knowledgable bout osso-xterm and bash errors?08:09
Snafu777I got an issue with a script i wrote that launches osso-xterm but fails to launch route -en08:09
Snafu777could really use some help here..08:10
Snafu777Would much appreciate the debugging help...will give credit for the kudos....?08:12
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Snafu777u guys suck08:23
Snafu777just so ya know08:23
foremostSicelo: how can i check the revision08:23
Snafu777anyone up in the mofo?08:26
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Sicelolol Snafu77708:28
foremostSicelo: revision 220408:28
Siceloforemost: known problem. i have same revision, and same problem. Pali & freemangordon were working on it.. i don't know current status08:29
foremostnice, thanks for the info08:31
Sicelowithout recommending it, i think multiboot never had the problem, and was popular for nitdroid.08:31
foremosti'd rather not reflesh my kernel twice a day08:31
Snafu777Anyone here down to help for a sec?08:31
Siceloindeed. that's why i didn't recommend it :p08:31
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foremostalso i tried to use it and once i flashed nitdroid i couldn't reflash maemo back08:32
Snafu777I launch a command with osso-xterm and it doesnt recognize the route command08:32
foremostchechk the path, if you are not root08:32
Snafu777me? foremost08:33
Snafu777not the issue08:33
Snafu777one sec08:33
Snafu777isnt the issue08:39
Snafu777i can run route as user08:39
Snafu777U still there friend?08:39
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foremostwhat do youmean exactly by 'fails to launch'?08:40
Snafu777Got an n900 handy?08:42
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Snafu777foremost ?08:46
foremosti do08:47
Snafu777feel like troubleshootin for a sec08:47
Snafu777im trying to figure this out08:47
Snafu777but no dice08:47
Snafu777Drop to a terminal08:48
Snafu777and do08:48
Snafu777svn checkout hydrafy08:48
Snafu777let me know when u got it up eh?08:48
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foremosti'm sorry i really don't have that much time08:53
foremostif you tell me the error message maybe i know08:53
foremostif not i have to leave in 5 min08:53
Snafu777its when osso-xterm is launched08:53
Snafu777and route -en is ran08:53
Snafu777route is not found08:53
Snafu777but launching it is an issue08:53
Snafu777it requires u to see the script to understand08:53
Snafu777because of the goofiness of launching a text based script with a gui from /usr/share/applications/hildon/08:54
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tantyHey guys! Anyone knows if is still alive?12:16
tantySince several days12:16
tantyshows the error:12:16
tanty<tanty> 504 Gateway Time-out12:16
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tantySorry, maintenance in progress!12:16
tantyOur server had an hardware fault. Replacement hardware was delivered. We will be back online soon.12:16
tantyare they really under maintenance or has just shut down?12:16
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eekhi, i have a problem, i brick my phone with multiboot >_< i have a boot loop with kernel power 49, pr13 (flashed with flasher and started with multiboot and flasher) and kernel power 51 :(13:05
jaskafor me ego13:05
eeki flashed with the only-kernel option, tried pr13, 49 and 51 and started with "init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" but no chance to get it working13:07
eekany idea :(13:09
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ketasjaska: me ego? :P13:12
ketasma emo & me ego + harm at tan13:13
ketassad how nokia went to windows13:14
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ketasbusiness crap13:14
jaskai always thought of maemo as mämo13:14
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ketasemo, ego and harm... ugh13:15
ketassounds harm-ful13:15
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ketasyou know, we have such term as "estonian nokia" that refers to some success... now with e-flop, that might as well refer to some failure13:17
ketasmaybe jolla devices in future13:18
ketasor you can hack those windows devices to run something else?13:18
jacekowskieek: flash the whole thing13:22
jacekowskiwp is no a failure13:23
jacekowskithey are getting quite a lot of market with it13:23
jacekowskinot a failure*13:23
eekjacekowski: done QQ without a backup waaaa13:24
eekdamn multiboot13:24
jacekowskieek: most important stuff is on emmc13:25
jacekowskieek: you can skip flashing that part13:25
jacekowskias in, mydocs is on emmc13:25
eekjacekowski: no, i flashed the card before with ubuntu 12.0413:25
jacekowskinot sd card, emmc13:26
jacekowskibuiltin 32G13:26
eekah ok13:27
eekcool i love the n900, contacts and sms still exist :D13:29
StyXmancanonical seems to be working in an ubuntu phone, they're looking for a project manager13:31
jacekowskilike that's going to work13:33
StyXmandunno, but if it works, I migh go for one13:35
StyXmanof course we're not talking about next year13:35
jacekowskior next 20 years13:36
jacekowskiubuntu has no market share on desktops13:36
jacekowskiand they are trying with phones13:36
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Lava_Croftubuntu :<13:44
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vi_what is the main reason for the n900 missing calls?15:05
vi_Is the 'phone' application being swapped out or something?15:06
SpeedEvilhow does it miss calls15:07
kerioeek: why are you using multiboot15:07
kerioit's awful15:07
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keriojacekowski: ubuntu used to be the distro techies install on non-techies' computers15:12
kerionow that's probably mint15:13
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vi_SpeedEvil: the phone program appears for about 0.5 seconds then I have a missed call.15:25
vi_Or sometimes, it just suddenly appears, missed call.15:26
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SpeedEvilnever seen that15:27
SpeedEvilI have received perhaps 5 calls15:28
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vi_forever alone?15:36
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kerioforever a phone15:38
vi_where is the ohmd config file?15:39
vi_the one that sets cpu shares and stuff15:40
vi_ /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/syspart.conf15:43
vi_SpeedEvil: is /usr/bin/hildon-sv-notification-daemon15:45
vi_SpeedEvil: is hildon-sv-notification-daemon anything to do with phone program?15:45
* ShadowJK has never experienced "phone program appears for about .5 seconds then missed call"15:46
ShadowJKbut under heavy system load I've had vibrating phone and ringtone and no visible phone app for many seconds15:46
vi_I did not use to either, now it has happened 3-4 times in 3-4 days.15:46
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aklsI'm trying out easy debian and it gives me the choice: v3e, Estel and sulu. What are the differences? Can't find it anywhere :\15:57
vi_estel and sulu are based on v3e16:03
vi_estel+sulu are updated to wheeze or squeezy ir whatever the last one was.16:03
teotwakisqueeze or wheezy ;)16:03
vi_estel is based on sulu.16:04
aklsso which one should I install? :\16:04
vi_estel has libreoffice.16:04
vi_akls estel probably.16:04
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vi_akls: estel probably.16:05
teotwakioh, sorry16:05
teotwakianyway, off to buy a house! Later!16:05
vi_I can just about afford a $2 suit.16:06
teotwakino job?16:06
vi_shit wage.16:06
teotwakichange jobs16:06
vi_although shit wage>no job.16:06
teotwakichange countries16:06
vi_teotwaki: I will be.16:06
teotwakifuck it, change continents16:06
teotwakihas allowed me to get a very good paygrade with virtually no diploma to speak of16:06
vi_Just got to wait for mrs vi_ to get her PHD.16:06
vi_teotwaki: You remind me of an ex-flatmate.16:07
teotwakiI know the feeling, am waiting for my better half to get her master's16:07
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vi_why is there a back seek penalty value for the eMMC.16:15
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vi_I would have thought there would be no penalty to back seek for flash.16:15
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teotwakivi_: only if you have noop, iirc16:18
DatLichtHi there. I'm trying to install maemo-pan, but which is not possible (unmet dependency of bluez-utils). If I google around a bit, I found out that 'bluez' (which is already installed in the latest version) replaced 'bluez-utils'. Both packages conflict. How can I install a bluetooth PAN now?16:18
deepyteotwaki: which continent did you change to?16:18
teotwakideepy: i'm from europe, did asia, northern america, australia.16:19
teotwakiback in europe now16:19
deepyI've been tempted to leave Europe for Asia/AUS16:19
teotwakii'm 26, btw16:19
teotwakianyway, bbl16:20
vi_and buying a house.16:23
vi_If I start now, maybe my grand kids can have a leantoo shack behind the sewage works.16:23
vi_DatLicht: maemo-pan is a maemo4 package that some knucklehead stuck into the fremantle autobuilder.16:24
jon_yyep, prices always go up, inflation faster than salary increment :(16:24
vi_If you doo manage to force install it, you will need a fully qualified wizard to uninstall it.16:24
vi_and it does not work anyway.16:25
DatLichtvi_, ah okay that explains something. Any other package that does the job?16:25
vi_DatLicht: everything you need is already on the n900.16:25
DatLicht(btw, if that would screw up my n900, it's good that it's not possible to install it...)16:25
vi_DatLicht: I force installed it...16:26
DatLichtI have a N900. And I have a PAN server that perfectly works with my Win7 laptop computer. But it doesn't use the PAN service16:26
vi_I had to write a script with the same name as the maemo-pan daemon so the uninstall script would have something to kill.16:26
vi_you need to edit /etc/bluetooth/main.conf16:27
vi_and remove 'networking' from the list of disabled modules.16:27
vi_then reboot.16:28
vi_You can then manually configure the bluetooth device to connect to the pan.16:28
DatLichtinteresting. can the N900 also handle BT mice and keyboards? (have both, but can't connect to my N900)16:29
vi_DatLicht: read this:16:29
vi_DatLicht: It certainly can!16:29
vi_I have never tried a BT mouse personally though.16:29
vi_you just need to install the extkbd and extmou packages.16:30
vi_be warned, extkbd will overwrite your rx-51 keymap.16:30
vi_So if you have modified it, make a backup.16:31
vi_be warned, INSTALLING extkbd will overwrite your rx-51 keymap.16:31
vi_So if you have modified it, make a backup.16:31
vi_also, if your BT KB is spp you will need to also install the kbdd package.16:33
DatLichthmmm. that means I have to access i.e. the numbers via alt-qwer... on my external keyboard?16:33
vi_DatLicht: wut?16:33
vi_Your external kb will have a seperate key map.16:34
DatLichtah ... sorry, I misunderstood that. thanks for explaining16:34
vi_the extkbd package will let you select the keymap of your external kb.16:34
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aklsfirst time it crashed16:42
DatLichthmmm. PAN doesn't seem to work. I removed 'network' in the main.conf and rebooted the device. then I paired computer (PAN server) and N900. Then I tried 'ifconfig bnep0 up' (as .1 is my server). --> 'no such device'16:44
DatLichtI also added bnep0 into my /etc/network/interfaces16:47
vi_I am a bit rusty with this.16:48
kerioDatLicht: PAN support is... flaky16:49
vi_ifconfig bnep0 up16:49
vi_ifconfig bnep0 <IP ADDRESS>16:49
keriofor instance, there's no pand16:49
vi_no such device means bnep0 is not present.16:50
vi_dont you have to use hciconfig to start iot or something?16:50
DatLichthuh? in the link you described ther's a step-by-step tutorial by sebhack. I did exactly what he wrote, but doesn't work16:51
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DatLichtif I type hciconfig, there's a device named hci0: UART and some statistics16:54
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aklslol, n900 is fucking funny :D18:00
aklsyou can call one person several times18:00
aklsmaking other calls becoming on hold :D18:00
kerioyou can do that with every phone18:01
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akls"I miss you so much so I will double-call you!!18:04
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deepyYo akls, I heard you like phonecalls so I'm gonna call you in the middle of your call18:04
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freemangordonPali: ping20:43
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Palifreemangordon, pong20:52
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freemangordonin case you've missed it21:01
infobotPortable C++ GUI Framework. URL:
Sicelotypo. sorry :$21:06
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MrPinguabout that bash/messybox thingy, I don't think bash as shell causes a rebootloop but I think the gnu-tools are the problem indeed21:20
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djszapiN9Hi. Is it possible to use a mini simcard in my N900?21:57
djszapiN9I mean easily. :)21:57
jacekowskiposition the simcard where it should be, and then stick a bit of tape from the other side21:59
djszapiN9Because joikuspot on my N9 drops the ap setup for a long phone call.21:59
jacekowskior, you can get adapters for like £1 from ebay21:59
djszapiN9so I thought I would be using another mini simcard in my N900 for calling when getting the mobile internet on my laptop from the N9.22:00
djszapiN9I currently live in a town. Money does not matter, but I would need an adapter asap. :)22:00
djszapiN9is it available in shops, stores, etc?22:01
kerioprobably cellphone shops22:06
kerioit's kind of a "specialized" item, but it's cheap22:06
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jacekowskidjszapiN9: amazon, with next day shipping22:14
jacekowskiand very likely that you can get it in a shop22:14
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DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: rotfl?
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entitledbought an chinese "desktop" battery charger22:33
entitledstation, or whatever. Uses the original nokia wall charger for power22:34
entitledI get only 85% charge and it takes longer than with ph[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Done22:35
entitledbut so does the official I think (not fully charged)22:35
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DocScrutinizer51~seen DocScrutinizer0522:59
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Palinew u-boot for nokia n900 is here:
Paliit has disabled onenand support which fixed non bootable kernels on non 2101 hw revs23:31
Palikerio, this is should be interesting for you ^^^23:32
Paliand u-boot-update-bootmenu look for zImages in /opt/boot too23:32
Sicelo /opt/boot ... wow. nice :)23:33
kerio/opt = second partition on emmc, ext3?23:33
keriooh no, nvm23:33
* kerio read that wrong23:33
kerioPali: do you reckon things will go wrong if i symlink /boot to /opt/boot?23:34
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Palikerio, shell script trying to find file in /boot or in /opt/boot23:34
Palisymlinks should work without problem23:35
kerioi mean so that the bootimgs will install themselves in /opt/boot automatically23:36
DocScrutinizer51ooh, this way23:36
Palikerio, uImages (from zImages) are still generated to MyDocs23:36
Pali(to subdir)23:36
Palibut packages like kernel-*-bootimg can install bootimages to /opt/boot instead of /boot23:37
kerioyeah but they don't :)23:37
DocScrutinizer51I don't feel like replacing /boot by a symlink was a particularly nice idea23:37
kerioDocScrutinizer51: yeah, it doesn't feel right23:38
PaliDocScrutinizer51, I do not care about it23:38
keriobut then again, it's not exactly used by fremantle23:38
DocScrutinizer51Pali: maybe not you23:38
DocScrutinizer51FHS doesn't suggest this23:39
keriolol fhs23:39
kerioPali: you still haven't released the kernelless uboot image though :s23:39
Palikerio, yes released23:40
keriooh, the bootimg?23:40
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kerioyep, there it is23:40
DocScrutinizer51indeed a uBoot with ubi support, to laod kernel from /boot/maemokernel.bin23:40
PaliDocScrutinizer51, not possible (yet), because nand code not working23:41
Palifreemangordon tried to fix it, but without success23:41
DocScrutinizer51i c23:41
Paliand I do not have time for it...23:41
Sicelohmm, what kernel does this uboot ship with?23:41
Palibut emmc and sd is enought23:41
PaliSicelo, stock pr1.323:42
Sicelothanks. let me see23:42
Paliand u-boot-update-bootmenu now detect kernel version in attached image23:44
Palikerio, so you can flash other combined image and u-boot-update-bootmenu will extract your kernel version :-)23:45
kerioPali: is there anything that depends on u-boot-flasher?23:45
keriobecause i'm not going to install that23:46
Palifiasco-image-update-ask and u-boot-utils23:46
keriodepends *on*23:46
kerioer, well23:46
Paliah, nothing depends on u-boot-flasher23:46
keriophew :323:46
Palibut -flasher depends on above two packages23:47
kerioPali: hmm, aren't zImages gzip-compressed?23:51
keriowhat does z stand for?23:51
Palikerio, zImage is: bootable gunzip decompresser with attached gzipped kernel image23:51
kerioPali: the "combined.bin" that u-boot-gen-combined creates isn't a fiasco image, is it23:53
Paliit is not fiasco image23:53
keriohow do i flash it, then?23:54
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