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| FIQ|n900 | "unzip: zip flags 1 and 8 are not supported" is this busybox' fault or zip creator's fault? | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: hm? | 02:25 |
| Skry | he has some issues with animals, last time it was a hamster if i recall | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe yep | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though I guess animal have problems with RST38h | 02:26 |
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| Skry | yes, apparently | 02:26 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Nothing personal towards the critters, just coding for Android | 02:29 |
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| * SpeedEvil sings at android. | 02:37 | |
| SpeedEvil | sighs | 02:37 |
| * SpeedEvil stabs android vkbd, | 02:37 | |
| RST38h | better stab SurfaceView | 02:37 |
| RST38h | so much quasisexual intercourse, and it does not even give you direct access to the framebuffer. | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd pay $25 or so for a solution that enabled proper integration of X apps into it. | 02:38 |
| RST38h | that will cost you $25k | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | so that a KDE app could bring up and down wifi, foe example | 02:39 |
| RST38h | in development costs | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean as a user. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 02:39 |
| RST38h | nobody gives a damn about android users | 02:39 |
| RST38h | even google | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | it's basically the same issue as wanting x apps to be able to interact with windows programs in wine. | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed. | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | in many ways I'd like to be able t buy a Google subscription. | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | and turn off all the ads. | 02:40 |
| RST38h | you can turn off all the ads | 02:42 |
| RST38h | search "LuckyPatcher", except that I specifically check for it in my apps and refuse to run =) | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | well, yes. :-) | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | my hugest objection to android is the permission model. | 02:43 |
| RST38h | Actually, need to figure out just what exactly it does at the low level and kill it properly | 02:44 |
| RST38h | With minimal collateral damage | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | 5 of the 6 top calculator apps have all the permissions they need to scan my network at 3am, and report back to China. | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | or start spamming | 02:44 |
| RST38h | that too | 02:44 |
| RST38h | but it is no different from Symbian or [hehe] Harmattan | 02:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'same origin' internet connectivity would be a bit better | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | and a separate channel to push as even better yet | 02:45 |
| RST38h | permission contract models basically suck, yes | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | sure | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | push as | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | ads | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | grr | 02:45 |
| * RST38h considers publishing his own calculators apps | 02:46 | |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: Will you use something like this? http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ | 02:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | no. | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | to be honest | 02:47 |
| RST38h | oh well | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | currently using 'realcalc' | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | but I don't think I've actually used it for more than a 4 op calculator | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | the market can feel extremely shallow | 02:48 |
| RST38h | mine is actually better btw | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | there are half a down 'cad' apps | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | dozen | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | they all suck on touchscreens | 02:48 |
| RST38h | Yes, Captain Obvious | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | there is be proof of concept thing with an awesome idea that nobody uses | 02:49 |
| RST38h | Because (1) Free or $.99 apps are not worth developing and maintaining | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | one finger moves cursor, which is offset | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | other finger is 'pen up/down' | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | and discovery is a bitch | 02:50 |
| RST38h | and (2) Chinese can produce dozens of apps a month, but it does not mean you will want to use any of them | 02:50 |
| RST38h | Funny how all these calc apps look the same =) Kids just ain't all that inventive nowadays... | 02:52 |
| SpeedEvil | not looking the same is a legitimate barrier to entry | 02:52 |
| RST38h | hehe | 02:53 |
| * SpeedEvil is annoyed at the charge metre driver of the nexus 7. | 02:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | doesn't expose current_now | 02:54 |
| SpeedEvil | wtf | 02:54 |
| RST38h | ...SCP-1867 is a nudibranch of the species Nembrotha kubaryana (variable neon slug), measuring 11.7 cm (4.6 inches) in length. It identifies itself as Lord Theodore Thomas Blackwood, a British explorer and naturalist, speaks with terminology and style appropriate to late nineteenth century England, and is generally friendly and cooperative with researchers. | 02:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | slide rule looks awesome | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | but I they to avoid derivatives these days :-) | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | try | 02:57 |
| RST38h | How about ratios? | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | :-) | 02:57 |
| RST38h | SlideRule will try simplifying a ratio for you before going to decimal point and losing precision | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm truly surprised at what n900s are still going for on eBay | 03:01 |
| RST38h | How about n950s? | 03:01 |
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| ShadowJK | I wish there was a way in android to make arbitrary apps not freeze when you switch to another app. But then again, I have a suspicion all the powersaving relies on this freeze-the-world model, and there'd be a few magnitudes more powerdrain issues with it compare to maemo. | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | :-\ tempting | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | indeed | 03:06 |
| RST38h | It is not even freezing | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | and to do it right would be hard. | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | it can be freezing | 03:06 |
| RST38h | It is Suspend/Resume model like Maemo3 had | 03:06 |
| RST38h | Before Maemo folks figured out the trick of deep-sleeping on I/O | 03:06 |
| RST38h | So, there are Java handlers that are supposed to save app state explicitely on Suspend | 03:07 |
| ShadowJK | Sometimes it's just freeze, sometimes it's restart to saved state | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I want to be able to play video with flash, or use a chat site based around flahpsh with Firefox in the background | 03:07 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: It is never "freeze" in the classical sense (i.e. thombstoning) | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | but I also want it to freeze when it's not doing that | 03:07 |
| * ShadowJK only started using Maemo at maemo4, and the only app that seems to do the save state thingy properly is "Notes" | 03:07 | |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: If you do not explicitely save and restore state, you are fucked. | 03:07 |
| RST38h | Maemo4 actually still had the suspend/resume mechanism and it was documented at great length | 03:08 |
| RST38h | I had to explain to a few people that this stuff is no longer relevant | 03:08 |
| ShadowJK | Well I mean that I can notice a difference in android when apps were just "suspended" compared to when they were unloaded and restarted from some saved state | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | depends on the app | 03:09 |
| ShadowJK | I remember reading the suspend/resume mechanism in the maemo docs, and thought it was kinda amusing considering no app implements it | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | some come IP fast enough | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | and to a close enough sate | 03:10 |
| SpeedEvil | state | 03:10 |
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| ShadowJK | Well like if I play a RC Heli simulator game, and switch to browser, and then back to heli sim, sometimes the heli sim resumes exactly where I was, sometimes it goes back to main menu. Browser sometimes resumes exactly where I was, sometimes displays grayed out contents, and then I have to activate every fucking tab again and wait for everything to redownload from the internet again. The whole point of tabs is to avoid loading times :-( | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | exactly | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | especially irritating when you know there's lots of free ram | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | After Jelly Bean upgrade I don't see more than about 300M free at best. | 03:12 |
| ShadowJK | How can it burn so much ram :-( | 03:12 |
| SpeedEvil | that too | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | Also, the vkb has more stutter and lag than in maemo. That's without swap, with more keep-memory-free policies than maemo, with 4 times the memory, with 4 cores running at 3X the speed of the N900's single core. Incredible :) | 03:15 |
| Hurrian | iirc if an app doesn't have a taskbar icon, it gets killed the next time memory is cleaned. | 03:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Well, you are supposed to save state on Destroy | 03:15 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: But it is best to save it on Suspend =) | 03:16 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Because with the way Android works, the Destroy() may get called a day from now, and not all of your app will still be intact then =) | 03:16 |
| RST38h | Suspend is more like receiving a focus-out event, although there is a separate focus-out in Android as well | 03:17 |
| ShadowJK | So you're telling me as user, how programmers should implement one of the most annoying features of anroid properly? :-) | 03:17 |
| RST38h | I hope now you see why a ritual animal sacrifice is a necessary element of ANdroid programming | 03:17 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Just holding you above the abyss and making you watch =) | 03:18 |
| ShadowJK | I'd be more into a way of disabling it :-( | 03:18 |
| RST38h | Can't disable this crap, it is too deeply embedded | 03:18 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes there was some way to run stock accelerated x, even without android on the nexus 7 | 03:18 | |
| RST38h | + there is another problem: out of 1GB of RAM, you are usually only left with 60-100MB because the rest gets eaten by all those resident apps and services | 03:19 |
| ShadowJK | Because it's fucking annoying when switching away from the thing on the screen, when the thing on the screne happens to be playing music or similar, makes it stop, and then I switch back, and it has to re-establish network connections and it takes fucking ages, as punishment to remind that I can't do more than one thing at once | 03:19 |
| RST38h | SpeedEvil: I think there may be. Ask Stskeeps. | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 03:19 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: The writer of that thing-on-the-screen should declare it as a "service" to Android and then the OS won't kill it. | 03:19 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, a website? | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I have. n7 I dropped on a rock. :-\ | 03:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: you are plaing stuff off a website? | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | no touchscreen anymore | 03:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: get yourself a music player app instead, will you? | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | hence it's rather less use under android | 03:20 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, I haven't found any that can extract the stream url from arbitrary websites yet :-) | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | rtmpdump | 03:21 |
| SpeedEvil | sorta | 03:21 |
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| ShadowJK | I've actually got same site working on N900 in MPlayer, and it doesn't pause if I switch screen off or switch to IRC, thank god. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | fun race condition. | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | stock media player, if you play a video, you can lock it before playing, and it doesn't notice | 03:23 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah :-) | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | that's another thing everyone fails at, | 03:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't always care abut the video on videos. | 03:23 |
| ShadowJK | It's useful for stuff where you mostly want to listen to the audio | 03:23 |
| ShadowJK | But if you suddenly want to see the video, and switch to it, and then switch away, it pauses :-( | 03:24 |
| ShadowJK | and you need extra trickery to resume audio only service :-( | 03:24 |
| * ShadowJK hasn't managed resume yet | 03:24 | |
| ShadowJK | Some analysts recently concluded alot of people only have the TV on in the background, like sitting in couch surfing on tablet for sites and forums of a show while the show is on TV, and similar | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | I think I'm where I'd want to do this on a single device instead of two | 03:33 |
| ShadowJK | the ctrl-backspace of N900 certainly feels as natural and as fast as refocusing eyes on TV across the sofa table :-) | 03:34 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, btw what IRC client do you use? | 03:35 |
| SpeedEvil | quassel | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | ^droid | 03:36 |
| ShadowJK | right | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | it has issues, but I have connection problems with my router (grr) | 03:36 |
| SpeedEvil | and it's at least open source | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | 'floatirc' looks interesting in principle | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | overlaying windows on other apps | 03:38 |
| ShadowJK | Samsung Note 2 looks interesting, seems able to run 2 arbitrary apps simultaneously | 03:39 |
| ShadowJK | It's sad when "2" is revolutionary :-( | 03:39 |
| SpeedEvil | :-\ | 03:39 |
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| foremost | hello | 07:46 |
| foremost | i have a problem with u-boot for maemo. if i install uboot-pr13 from extras devel i can boot maemo but not nitdroid, if i install pali's uboot from maemo.org i can boot nitdroid but not maemo | 07:47 |
| foremost | the kernel they use for booting is the same so i guess there is a problem with the bootloader | 07:48 |
| foremost | pali's bootloader hangs at starting kernel ... and then reboots | 07:48 |
| foremost | is there some option i have to pass to the kernel i'm not aware of? | 07:49 |
| foremost | the maemo installation is a clean maemo5 for n900, global | 07:49 |
| Sicelo | what hardware revision you have? | 07:59 |
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| Snafu777 | Foo powe | 08:09 |
| Snafu777 | Anyone up in here knowledgable bout osso-xterm and bash errors? | 08:09 |
| Snafu777 | I got an issue with a script i wrote that launches osso-xterm but fails to launch route -en | 08:09 |
| Snafu777 | could really use some help here.. | 08:10 |
| Snafu777 | plz | 08:10 |
| Snafu777 | Would much appreciate the debugging help...will give credit for the kudos....? | 08:12 |
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| Snafu777 | u guys suck | 08:23 |
| Snafu777 | just so ya know | 08:23 |
| foremost | Sicelo: how can i check the revision | 08:23 |
| Snafu777 | anyone up in the mofo? | 08:26 |
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| Sicelo | lol Snafu777 | 08:28 |
| foremost | Sicelo: revision 2204 | 08:28 |
| Sicelo | foremost: known problem. i have same revision, and same problem. Pali & freemangordon were working on it.. i don't know current status | 08:29 |
| foremost | nice, thanks for the info | 08:31 |
| Sicelo | without recommending it, i think multiboot never had the problem, and was popular for nitdroid. | 08:31 |
| foremost | i'd rather not reflesh my kernel twice a day | 08:31 |
| Snafu777 | Anyone here down to help for a sec? | 08:31 |
| Sicelo | indeed. that's why i didn't recommend it :p | 08:31 |
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| foremost | also i tried to use it and once i flashed nitdroid i couldn't reflash maemo back | 08:32 |
| Snafu777 | I launch a command with osso-xterm and it doesnt recognize the route command | 08:32 |
| foremost | chechk the path, if you are not root | 08:32 |
| Snafu777 | me? foremost | 08:33 |
| foremost | yes | 08:33 |
| Snafu777 | not the issue | 08:33 |
| Snafu777 | hmm | 08:33 |
| Snafu777 | perhaps | 08:33 |
| Snafu777 | one sec | 08:33 |
| Snafu777 | nope | 08:38 |
| Snafu777 | isnt the issue | 08:39 |
| Snafu777 | i can run route as user | 08:39 |
| Snafu777 | U still there friend? | 08:39 |
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| foremost | what do youmean exactly by 'fails to launch'? | 08:40 |
| Snafu777 | Got an n900 handy? | 08:42 |
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| Snafu777 | ? | 08:44 |
| Snafu777 | foremost ? | 08:46 |
| foremost | i do | 08:47 |
| Snafu777 | sweet | 08:47 |
| Snafu777 | feel like troubleshootin for a sec | 08:47 |
| Snafu777 | im trying to figure this out | 08:47 |
| Snafu777 | but no dice | 08:47 |
| Snafu777 | Drop to a terminal | 08:48 |
| Snafu777 | and do | 08:48 |
| Snafu777 | svn checkout http://n900-stuff.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/hydrafy hydrafy | 08:48 |
| Snafu777 | let me know when u got it up eh? | 08:48 |
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| foremost | i'm sorry i really don't have that much time | 08:53 |
| foremost | if you tell me the error message maybe i know | 08:53 |
| foremost | if not i have to leave in 5 min | 08:53 |
| Snafu777 | its when osso-xterm is launched | 08:53 |
| Snafu777 | and route -en is ran | 08:53 |
| Snafu777 | route is not found | 08:53 |
| Snafu777 | but launching it is an issue | 08:53 |
| Snafu777 | it requires u to see the script to understand | 08:53 |
| Snafu777 | because of the goofiness of launching a text based script with a gui from /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 08:54 |
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| tanty | Hey guys! Anyone knows if http://formeego.org is still alive? | 12:16 |
| tanty | Since several days | 12:16 |
| tanty | http://apps.formeego.org/ | 12:16 |
| tanty | shows the error: | 12:16 |
| tanty | " | 12:16 |
| tanty | <tanty> 504 Gateway Time-out | 12:16 |
| tanty | nginx/1.2.1 | 12:16 |
| tanty | " | 12:16 |
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| tanty | and | 12:16 |
| tanty | http://www.formeego.org/ | 12:16 |
| tanty | " | 12:16 |
| tanty | Sorry, maintenance in progress! | 12:16 |
| tanty | Our server had an hardware fault. Replacement hardware was delivered. We will be back online soon. | 12:16 |
| tanty | " | 12:16 |
| tanty | are they really under maintenance or has just shut down? | 12:16 |
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| eek | hi, i have a problem, i brick my phone with multiboot >_< i have a boot loop with kernel power 49, pr13 (flashed with flasher and started with multiboot and flasher) and kernel power 51 :( | 13:05 |
| jaska | for me ego | 13:05 |
| eek | i flashed with the only-kernel option, tried pr13, 49 and 51 and started with "init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6" but no chance to get it working | 13:07 |
| eek | any idea :( | 13:09 |
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| ketas | jaska: me ego? :P | 13:12 |
| ketas | ma emo & me ego + harm at tan | 13:13 |
| jaska | heh | 13:13 |
| ketas | sad how nokia went to windows | 13:14 |
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| ketas | business crap | 13:14 |
| jaska | i always thought of maemo as mämo | 13:14 |
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| ketas | emo, ego and harm... ugh | 13:15 |
| ketas | sounds harm-ful | 13:15 |
| jaska | suicidal? | 13:15 |
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| ketas | you know, we have such term as "estonian nokia" that refers to some success... now with e-flop, that might as well refer to some failure | 13:17 |
| ketas | maybe jolla devices in future | 13:18 |
| ketas | or you can hack those windows devices to run something else? | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | eek: flash the whole thing | 13:22 |
| jacekowski | wp is no a failure | 13:23 |
| jacekowski | they are getting quite a lot of market with it | 13:23 |
| jacekowski | not a failure* | 13:23 |
| eek | jacekowski: done QQ without a backup waaaa | 13:24 |
| eek | damn multiboot | 13:24 |
| jacekowski | eek: most important stuff is on emmc | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | eek: you can skip flashing that part | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | as in, mydocs is on emmc | 13:25 |
| eek | jacekowski: no, i flashed the card before with ubuntu 12.04 | 13:25 |
| eek | m( | 13:25 |
| jacekowski | not sd card, emmc | 13:26 |
| jacekowski | builtin 32G | 13:26 |
| eek | ah ok | 13:27 |
| eek | cool i love the n900, contacts and sms still exist :D | 13:29 |
| StyXman | canonical seems to be working in an ubuntu phone, they're looking for a project manager | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | like that's going to work | 13:33 |
| StyXman | dunno, but if it works, I migh go for one | 13:35 |
| StyXman | of course we're not talking about next year | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | or next 20 years | 13:36 |
| StyXman | heeh | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | ubuntu has no market share on desktops | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | and they are trying with phones | 13:36 |
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| Lava_Croft | ubuntu :< | 13:44 |
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| vi_ | what is the main reason for the n900 missing calls? | 15:05 |
| vi_ | Is the 'phone' application being swapped out or something? | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | how does it miss calls | 15:07 |
| kerio | eek: why are you using multiboot | 15:07 |
| kerio | it's awful | 15:07 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: ubuntu used to be the distro techies install on non-techies' computers | 15:12 |
| kerio | now that's probably mint | 15:13 |
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| vi_ | SpeedEvil: the phone program appears for about 0.5 seconds then I have a missed call. | 15:25 |
| vi_ | Or sometimes, it just suddenly appears, missed call. | 15:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | never seen that | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I have received perhaps 5 calls | 15:28 |
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| vi_ | forever alone? | 15:36 |
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| kerio | forever a phone | 15:38 |
| vi_ | where is the ohmd config file? | 15:39 |
| vi_ | the one that sets cpu shares and stuff | 15:40 |
| vi_ | /usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/syspart.conf | 15:43 |
| vi_ | SpeedEvil: is /usr/bin/hildon-sv-notification-daemon | 15:45 |
| vi_ | SpeedEvil: is hildon-sv-notification-daemon anything to do with phone program? | 15:45 |
| * ShadowJK has never experienced "phone program appears for about .5 seconds then missed call" | 15:46 | |
| ShadowJK | but under heavy system load I've had vibrating phone and ringtone and no visible phone app for many seconds | 15:46 |
| vi_ | I did not use to either, now it has happened 3-4 times in 3-4 days. | 15:46 |
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| akls | I'm trying out easy debian and it gives me the choice: v3e, Estel and sulu. What are the differences? Can't find it anywhere :\ | 15:57 |
| vi_ | estel and sulu are based on v3e | 16:03 |
| vi_ | estel+sulu are updated to wheeze or squeezy ir whatever the last one was. | 16:03 |
| teotwaki | squeeze or wheezy ;) | 16:03 |
| vi_ | estel is based on sulu. | 16:04 |
| akls | so which one should I install? :\ | 16:04 |
| vi_ | estel has libreoffice. | 16:04 |
| vi_ | ... | 16:04 |
| vi_ | akls estel probably. | 16:04 |
| teotwaki | akls? | 16:05 |
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| vi_ | akls: estel probably. | 16:05 |
| teotwaki | oh, sorry | 16:05 |
| teotwaki | anyway, off to buy a house! Later! | 16:05 |
| vi_ | sigh. | 16:05 |
| teotwaki | sigh? | 16:05 |
| vi_ | I can just about afford a $2 suit. | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | no job? | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | student? | 16:06 |
| vi_ | shit wage. | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | ah | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | change jobs | 16:06 |
| vi_ | although shit wage>no job. | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | change countries | 16:06 |
| vi_ | teotwaki: I will be. | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | fuck it, change continents | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | has allowed me to get a very good paygrade with virtually no diploma to speak of | 16:06 |
| vi_ | Just got to wait for mrs vi_ to get her PHD. | 16:06 |
| teotwaki | ah | 16:07 |
| vi_ | teotwaki: You remind me of an ex-flatmate. | 16:07 |
| teotwaki | I know the feeling, am waiting for my better half to get her master's | 16:07 |
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| vi_ | why is there a back seek penalty value for the eMMC. | 16:15 |
| vi_ | ? | 16:15 |
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| vi_ | I would have thought there would be no penalty to back seek for flash. | 16:15 |
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| teotwaki | vi_: only if you have noop, iirc | 16:18 |
| DatLicht | Hi there. I'm trying to install maemo-pan, but which is not possible (unmet dependency of bluez-utils). If I google around a bit, I found out that 'bluez' (which is already installed in the latest version) replaced 'bluez-utils'. Both packages conflict. How can I install a bluetooth PAN now? | 16:18 |
| deepy | teotwaki: which continent did you change to? | 16:18 |
| teotwaki | deepy: i'm from europe, did asia, northern america, australia. | 16:19 |
| teotwaki | back in europe now | 16:19 |
| deepy | I've been tempted to leave Europe for Asia/AUS | 16:19 |
| teotwaki | i'm 26, btw | 16:19 |
| teotwaki | anyway, bbl | 16:20 |
| deepy | Ciao | 16:22 |
| vi_ | 26 | 16:23 |
| vi_ | and buying a house. | 16:23 |
| vi_ | If I start now, maybe my grand kids can have a leantoo shack behind the sewage works. | 16:23 |
| vi_ | DatLicht: maemo-pan is a maemo4 package that some knucklehead stuck into the fremantle autobuilder. | 16:24 |
| jon_y | yep, prices always go up, inflation faster than salary increment :( | 16:24 |
| vi_ | If you doo manage to force install it, you will need a fully qualified wizard to uninstall it. | 16:24 |
| vi_ | and it does not work anyway. | 16:25 |
| DatLicht | vi_, ah okay that explains something. Any other package that does the job? | 16:25 |
| vi_ | DatLicht: everything you need is already on the n900. | 16:25 |
| DatLicht | (btw, if that would screw up my n900, it's good that it's not possible to install it...) | 16:25 |
| vi_ | DatLicht: I force installed it... | 16:26 |
| DatLicht | I have a N900. And I have a PAN server that perfectly works with my Win7 laptop computer. But it doesn't use the PAN service | 16:26 |
| vi_ | I had to write a script with the same name as the maemo-pan daemon so the uninstall script would have something to kill. | 16:26 |
| vi_ | you need to edit /etc/bluetooth/main.conf | 16:27 |
| vi_ | and remove 'networking' from the list of disabled modules. | 16:27 |
| vi_ | then reboot. | 16:28 |
| vi_ | You can then manually configure the bluetooth device to connect to the pan. | 16:28 |
| DatLicht | interesting. can the N900 also handle BT mice and keyboards? (have both, but can't connect to my N900) | 16:29 |
| vi_ | DatLicht: read this: | 16:29 |
| vi_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47201 | 16:29 |
| vi_ | DatLicht: It certainly can! | 16:29 |
| vi_ | I have never tried a BT mouse personally though. | 16:29 |
| vi_ | you just need to install the extkbd and extmou packages. | 16:30 |
| vi_ | be warned, extkbd will overwrite your rx-51 keymap. | 16:30 |
| vi_ | So if you have modified it, make a backup. | 16:31 |
| vi_ | be warned, INSTALLING extkbd will overwrite your rx-51 keymap. | 16:31 |
| vi_ | So if you have modified it, make a backup. | 16:31 |
| vi_ | also, if your BT KB is spp you will need to also install the kbdd package. | 16:33 |
| DatLicht | hmmm. that means I have to access i.e. the numbers via alt-qwer... on my external keyboard? | 16:33 |
| vi_ | DatLicht: wut? | 16:33 |
| vi_ | Your external kb will have a seperate key map. | 16:34 |
| DatLicht | ah ... sorry, I misunderstood that. thanks for explaining | 16:34 |
| vi_ | the extkbd package will let you select the keymap of your external kb. | 16:34 |
| DatLicht | nice. | 16:36 |
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| akls | woop | 16:42 |
| akls | first time it crashed | 16:42 |
| DatLicht | hmmm. PAN doesn't seem to work. I removed 'network' in the main.conf and rebooted the device. then I paired computer (PAN server) and N900. Then I tried 'ifconfig bnep0 up 192.168.220.10' (as .1 is my server). --> 'no such device' | 16:44 |
| DatLicht | I also added bnep0 into my /etc/network/interfaces | 16:47 |
| vi_ | I am a bit rusty with this. | 16:48 |
| kerio | DatLicht: PAN support is... flaky | 16:49 |
| vi_ | ifconfig bnep0 up | 16:49 |
| vi_ | ifconfig bnep0 <IP ADDRESS> | 16:49 |
| kerio | for instance, there's no pand | 16:49 |
| vi_ | no such device means bnep0 is not present. | 16:50 |
| vi_ | dont you have to use hciconfig to start iot or something? | 16:50 |
| DatLicht | huh? in the link you described ther's a step-by-step tutorial by sebhack. I did exactly what he wrote, but doesn't work | 16:51 |
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| DatLicht | if I type hciconfig, there's a device named hci0: UART and some statistics | 16:54 |
| vi_ | kerio: http://i.imgur.com/nRJQY.jpg | 16:54 |
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| akls | lol, n900 is fucking funny :D | 18:00 |
| akls | you can call one person several times | 18:00 |
| akls | making other calls becoming on hold :D | 18:00 |
| kerio | you can do that with every phone | 18:01 |
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| akls | lol | 18:01 |
| akls | why? | 18:01 |
| akls | :D | 18:01 |
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| akls | "I miss you so much so I will double-call you!! | 18:04 |
| akls | " | 18:04 |
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| deepy | Yo akls, I heard you like phonecalls so I'm gonna call you in the middle of your call | 18:04 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ping | 20:43 |
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| Pali | freemangordon, pong | 20:52 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-10-16.log.html#t2012-10-16T20:39:12 | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | in case you've missed it | 21:01 |
| Sicelo | v | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | ~v | 21:03 |
| infobot | Portable C++ GUI Framework. URL: http://objectcentral.com/ | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 21:03 |
| Pali | ok | 21:03 |
| Sicelo | typo. sorry :$ | 21:06 |
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| MrPingu | about that bash/messybox thingy, I don't think bash as shell causes a rebootloop but I think the gnu-tools are the problem indeed | 21:20 |
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| djszapiN9 | Hi. Is it possible to use a mini simcard in my N900? | 21:57 |
| djszapiN9 | I mean easily. :) | 21:57 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | position the simcard where it should be, and then stick a bit of tape from the other side | 21:59 |
| djszapiN9 | Because joikuspot on my N9 drops the ap setup for a long phone call. | 21:59 |
| jacekowski | or, you can get adapters for like £1 from ebay | 21:59 |
| djszapiN9 | so I thought I would be using another mini simcard in my N900 for calling when getting the mobile internet on my laptop from the N9. | 22:00 |
| djszapiN9 | I currently live in a town. Money does not matter, but I would need an adapter asap. :) | 22:00 |
| djszapiN9 | is it available in shops, stores, etc? | 22:01 |
| kerio | probably cellphone shops | 22:06 |
| kerio | it's kind of a "specialized" item, but it's cheap | 22:06 |
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| jacekowski | djszapiN9: amazon, with next day shipping | 22:14 |
| jacekowski | and very likely that you can get it in a shop | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: rotfl? http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UBootCommandLineInterface | 22:31 |
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| entitled | pffff | 22:33 |
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| entitled | bought an chinese "desktop" battery charger | 22:33 |
| entitled | station, or whatever. Uses the original nokia wall charger for power | 22:34 |
| entitled | I get only 85% charge and it takes longer than with ph[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Done | 22:35 |
| entitled | but so does the official I think (not fully charged) | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~seen DocScrutinizer05 | 22:59 |
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| Pali | new u-boot for nokia n900 is here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81613 | 23:31 |
| Pali | it has disabled onenand support which fixed non bootable kernels on non 2101 hw revs | 23:31 |
| Pali | kerio, this is should be interesting for you ^^^ | 23:32 |
| Pali | and u-boot-update-bootmenu look for zImages in /opt/boot too | 23:32 |
| Sicelo | /opt/boot ... wow. nice :) | 23:33 |
| kerio | /opt = second partition on emmc, ext3? | 23:33 |
| kerio | oh no, nvm | 23:33 |
| * kerio read that wrong | 23:33 | |
| kerio | Pali: do you reckon things will go wrong if i symlink /boot to /opt/boot? | 23:34 |
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| Pali | kerio, shell script trying to find file in /boot or in /opt/boot | 23:34 |
| Pali | symlinks should work without problem | 23:35 |
| kerio | i mean so that the bootimgs will install themselves in /opt/boot automatically | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, this way | 23:36 |
| Pali | kerio, uImages (from zImages) are still generated to MyDocs | 23:36 |
| Pali | (to subdir) | 23:36 |
| Pali | but packages like kernel-*-bootimg can install bootimages to /opt/boot instead of /boot | 23:37 |
| kerio | yeah but they don't :) | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't feel like replacing /boot by a symlink was a particularly nice idea | 23:37 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, it doesn't feel right | 23:38 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, I do not care about it | 23:38 |
| kerio | but then again, it's not exactly used by fremantle | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Pali: maybe not you | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FHS doesn't suggest this | 23:39 |
| Pali | ok | 23:39 |
| kerio | lol fhs | 23:39 |
| kerio | Pali: you still haven't released the kernelless uboot image though :s | 23:39 |
| Pali | kerio, yes released | 23:40 |
| Pali | look http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot/ | 23:40 |
| kerio | oh, the bootimg? | 23:40 |
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| kerio | yep, there it is | 23:40 |
| kerio | :3 | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed a uBoot with ubi support, to laod kernel from /boot/maemokernel.bin | 23:40 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer51, not possible (yet), because nand code not working | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-\ | 23:41 |
| Pali | freemangordon tried to fix it, but without success | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | i c | 23:41 |
| Pali | and I do not have time for it... | 23:41 |
| Sicelo | hmm, what kernel does this uboot ship with? | 23:41 |
| Pali | but emmc and sd is enought | 23:41 |
| Pali | Sicelo, stock pr1.3 | 23:42 |
| Sicelo | thanks. let me see | 23:42 |
| Pali | and u-boot-update-bootmenu now detect kernel version in attached image | 23:44 |
| Pali | kerio, so you can flash other combined image and u-boot-update-bootmenu will extract your kernel version :-) | 23:45 |
| kerio | neat | 23:45 |
| kerio | Pali: is there anything that depends on u-boot-flasher? | 23:45 |
| kerio | because i'm not going to install that | 23:46 |
| Pali | fiasco-image-update-ask and u-boot-utils | 23:46 |
| kerio | depends *on* | 23:46 |
| kerio | er, well | 23:46 |
| Pali | ah, nothing depends on u-boot-flasher | 23:46 |
| kerio | phew :3 | 23:46 |
| Pali | but -flasher depends on above two packages | 23:47 |
| kerio | Pali: hmm, aren't zImages gzip-compressed? | 23:51 |
| kerio | what does z stand for? | 23:51 |
| Pali | kerio, zImage is: bootable gunzip decompresser with attached gzipped kernel image | 23:51 |
| kerio | Pali: the "combined.bin" that u-boot-gen-combined creates isn't a fiasco image, is it | 23:53 |
| Pali | it is not fiasco image | 23:53 |
| kerio | how do i flash it, then? | 23:54 |
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