IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2012-10-18

SiceloPali.. \m/ \m/00:02
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kerioPali: oh ok, dne00:02
Siceloworks perfectly. thakns :)00:02
keriostart softupd, flasher --local -k combined.bin -f00:02
Palikerio, generate fiasco image00:02
kerioPali: pff, lame00:02
Palibecause that will remove version from CAL00:02
Siceloit only fails with my PK50, otherwise Debian, Nemo, & Maemo boot fine00:02
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Palikerio, you will have unknown in osso-product-info after reboot00:03
PaliSicelo, is stock pr1.3 working?00:03
kerioPali: nah, i set it again :)00:03
keriowelp, here goes nothing00:03
kerioPali: btw, u-boot-update-bootmenu didn't use the version string from the kernel :c00:04
Siceloyes pali. only pk50 has't worked for me yet. but stock & nemo's kernels work well :)00:04
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PaliSicelo, update kernel-power :-)00:04
Sicelohmm, so this uboot won't work with KP50?00:05
kerioPali: yay, it's booting with the slider closed00:05
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PaliSicelo, it should00:05
Palibut maybe you have something wrong with kp instalation00:05
kerioPali: what if i delete bootmenu.scr?00:05
Paliregenerate it00:05
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keriono, i mean00:06
keriois it *required*'00:06
keriodo i get a generic menu if i don't have it00:06
Palikerio, if u-boot not find it, then you will have default bootmenu00:06
Palidefault bootmenu contains: attached kernel, emmc boot, sd boot, console00:06
kerioare any of those except "attached kernel" actually useful?00:07
Paliemmc and sd boot trying to find first uImage or boot.scr script on some fat32 ext2/3 or ext4 partition00:07
Sicelobtw, i notice that /lib/modules/current still points to even though i'm on omap1.00:07
PaliSicelo, kernel-power patching /sbin/preinit, so current symlink is ignored00:08
kerioPali: hmm, maybe it's because i called my zImage "zImage" instead of "zImage-"00:09
Palimodprobe detecting module directory00:09
Palikerio, ah, you need to run u-boot-update-bootmenu as root00:09
kerioPali: ...ooooh00:09
Paliif you want to detect name in /dev/mtd00:10
Paliuser has no read access to /dev/mtd*00:10
kerioyep, it worked now :)00:10
keriostill, should the image name be more than "zImage"?00:10
Siceloi suspect my issue with KP50 is a bad *.item file.. Pali, what cmd_line should i append?00:10
Palikerio, it does not depends on name00:10
kerioPali: i know, but it feels... untidy00:11
PaliSicelo, no cmdline00:11
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kerioPali: btw, if the slider is closed the default action is still to boot the attached kernel, right?00:13
Palikerio, no00:13
Palidefault is to boot kernel configured by default00:13
kerioin bootmenu.scr? i see00:13
Paliand if you not configured any default kernel, then it is attached00:13
Palikerio, see first post in u-boot thread00:13
Palithere is written how to change default bootmenu entry00:14
kerioso it's still kinda unsafe to bundle uboot with kernel-power...00:14
Siceloworked like a charm. ;)00:14
Siceloi don't know if this is a 'bug' -- but my N900 loses time each boot now :-/00:15
Sicelodoes it happen to you kerio?00:15
SpeedEvilyou mean if you pull the battery?00:17
kerio...boy, i hope not00:17
teotwakiMohammad-: an SGS3?00:17
kerioor this backup is going to be st00pid00:17
Sicelonot pulling battery out. but a 'normal' reboot00:17
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kerioSicelo: rebooting quickly can sometimes cause that00:21
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DocScrutinizer05when renoot causes losing seconds, then there's a fat bug in some initscript00:24
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i was thinking of some extreme condition setting the "welp, clock's botched" bit00:25
DocScrutinizer05I'd not be surprised to find Nokia was silly enough to write systime to hwclock on shutdown00:25
keriowhen should they write it?00:26
DocScrutinizer05??? you're kidding?00:26
ShadowJKit's typical to write it to hwclock on shutdown in all linux distro :)00:26
DocScrutinizer05hwclock is legit to write *only* when some higher stratum is adjusting your local time00:26
DocScrutinizer05same moment00:26
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: not on *any* of my boxes00:27
DocScrutinizer05and on suse you at least can disable that idiocy with a single sysconfig parameter00:28
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DocScrutinizer05nowadays kernel is in 11min mode usually anyways00:28
kerio11min mode?00:29
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: man hwclock|less "+/Automatic Hardware Clock Synchronization By the Kernel"00:37
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DocScrutinizer05>>       This mode (we'll call it "11 minute mode") is off until something turns       it  on.   The  ntp daemon xntpd is one thing that turns it on. <<00:38
DocScrutinizer05I bitched against that idiocy to set a usually rather accurate hwclock by a often completely random sysclock like 10 years ago, and nobody argued against it00:42
DocScrutinizer05suse fixed their hwclock to obey euid rather than uid, so you could set +suid hwclock, after I asked them if they lost their mind to tell me "you are not root!" when I called a +s hwclock.00:44
DocScrutinizer05and they included a simple way to disable this abomination that sets hwclock to a usually late systemclock on shutdown00:44
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, as mentioned above, nowadays everybody is 24/7-online and running ntpd00:46
Palikerio, Sicelo is uboot working without problem?00:46
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kerioPali: i booted thrice, once with kb slider closed and twice with it open00:47
kerioi'm using kp52 attached to the latest uboot00:47
PaliI wait until test it more people00:47
Palibut it is now good candicate for extras-devel/testing00:48
kerioand btw, i didn't test u-boot-flasher's packaging00:48
kerioi flashed manually00:48
kerioLIKE A MAN00:48
SiceloPali: yes. u-boot working perfectly :)00:49
keriobut i suppose it's the same as any other flasher, isn't it00:49
kerioflash .fiasco image in /boot, rm it00:49
Paliit calling fiasco-image-update00:49
Palisame what kernel-power-flasher00:49
jacekowskii'm fed up with all those touchphones00:50
Palikerio, btw do you know something about flow in networks (graphs)?00:51
jacekowskinon responsive buttons + changing position depending on rotation00:51
jacekowskiand fact that you have to look at the screen to find the button00:51
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* ShadowJK unfortunately can accurately hit the "stop" buttom for alarm clock without looking00:53
jacekowskii can't00:54
jacekowskithat thing rotates00:54
jacekowskiand it's like almost random00:54
DocScrutinizer05vkbd BWAHAHA00:54
jacekowskimy next phone will not have a touchscreen00:55
DocScrutinizer05I'm already frowning at N950 kbd, for missing tactile feedback of key positions00:55
DocScrutinizer05there's only _one_ kbd I ever seen to be inferior: eten Glofiish M80000:56
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PaliShadowJK, yes hit stop button on alarm is very very usefull :-)00:57
DocScrutinizer05ther's been literally nuttin to tell you where one keycap ends and other begins, unless you press down one of the keys so you could feel the 'step' to the rest of friggin keyboard plane00:57
ShadowJKjacekowski, I think you'd appreciate the MultiSIM service you could get here before00:58
ShadowJK(I still have it, the didn't kick anyone off it)00:58
ShadowJKYou can have 5 sim cards with same phone number00:58
ShadowJKEvery device rings when someone calls00:59
ShadowJKSo you can have smartphone that's not good for phone, and phone that's not good for internets00:59
DocScrutinizer05but how's that related to touchscreen?01:00
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ShadowJKWhen people call me in the morning and I'm groggy and can't even focus eyes I reach for the non-touch phone, not my n900 :)01:00
keriowhy do people call you?01:01
kerioi'd work on solving that01:01
ShadowJKMy definition of "morning" is very vague01:02
ShadowJKand variable01:02
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SpeedEvilShadowJK: found a wierd mobile virtual operator in the UK.01:03
SpeedEvilyou can get a sim with no number, that hooks up to your sip server01:03
ShadowJKMine's a virtual operator too, around 2004 or so you could even click in the web interface and choose which physical network you wanted to be on :) But then they got bought out by one of the physical networks they were roaming on :(01:03
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DocScrutinizer05[PUBLIC NOTICE] don't forget to *vote* for hildon foundation board. Last chance!01:08
keriooh right01:09
keriohow do i vote?01:09
GeneralAntillesDo we get a sticker?01:10
kerioDocScrutinizer for president!01:10
ShadowJKwhat's the sticker for?01:10
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm not running for board01:11
kerioaww :c01:11
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GeneralAntillesOr a more useful illustration:
DocScrutinizer05hi GeneralAntilles, long time no see01:18
ShadowJKThat reminds me01:19
DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: you would've earned a t-shirt, but only for passive vote ;-)01:19
GeneralAntillesFree shirt! Free shirt!01:20
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* DocScrutinizer05 prints a t-shirt for himself: "I stood for 2012-Q4 elections and survived it"01:20
GeneralAntillesI still want a ballcap01:21
ShadowJKVoting statistics in parliamental elections a dozen or so years back was so detailed, that for the village I live in there was 1 who voted Communist, year after yaer there was 1 vote for communists, and people had already "decided" who it was that was voting commie. When that suspected commie died, however, next election there was still oen person voting for commies, and it made people sad because they had been unnecessarily too mean to the deceased person01:21
GeneralAntillesCreepy statistics01:21
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DocScrutinizer05I'll miss Romney and Obama on my council vote ballot though01:24
DocScrutinizer05could somebody dissect "davefordunedin" for me, please?01:27
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Woody14619aThanks for the reminder to all Doc. :)01:28
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Woody14619aAlso, FWIW:  Please don't vote for me. :)01:29
Woody14619a.oO(And what's up with all the net drops I've been getting? :P )01:30
DocScrutinizer05Woody14619a: how's about making GeneralAntilles happy and hand out cloak stickers "maemo/community/voter" to everybody who drops by and tells the number of digits of his vote token?01:30
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Woody14619aHad I the power to affect cloacks... But I do not. ;)01:30
GeneralAntillesMake the Freenode staff do more work!01:30
Woody14619a(Nor would I want it... frankly.01:30
GeneralAntillesYeah, need X-Fade.01:31
DocScrutinizer05freenode staff will happily apply cloaks, even lists of hundereds. They have scripts for that01:32
DocScrutinizer05but we need GC for that, yeah01:32
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DocScrutinizer05I pushed X-Fade to grant +F (and co-GC) to GeneralAntilles, just in case he gets hit by a bus... Though he seemed not averse, the net result seems zarro01:34
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Woody14619aIt's on the list-o-stuff to ask for when/if the foundation gets the go to aquire from Nokia/Nemien.  (Assuming we don't stay w/ them... Maybe even if we do?)01:36
DocScrutinizer05sure thing01:36
DocScrutinizer05though that's not exactly a .... hmmm, nmaybe it is01:36
DocScrutinizer05GC is the one entity to communicate between brand owner and freenode01:37
DocScrutinizer05brand owner been Nokia so far01:37
DocScrutinizer05+F is a completely different story, actually01:38
Woody14619aRight... Not sure where/if that's going to transfer.  And yes, +F is different.01:38
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DocScrutinizer05a very interesting question: will Nokia drop the (TM) "maemo" and grant board to "own" it?01:40
DocScrutinizer05probably not without quite some paperwork that's 100 times more than bylaws01:41
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DocScrutinizer05"no commercial usage", "no disrespect of Nokia's interests and reputation" etc pp yaggediyagg01:42
Woody14619aWell, the bylaws aren't what would bind the entity to the usage of the TM, if Nokia did that.  The legal document they'd sign would be the binding thing.01:43
Woody14619aBut yeah, it they did, I'm sure there would be some type of agreement involved.  And the Board being a legal entity can sign said documents, where Council could not.01:43
DocScrutinizer05Nokia might establish board as proxy to hanfle maemo TM in lieu of Nokia themselves01:44
Woody14619aWill that happen?  Anyone's guess.  I'd be happy if we get the rights to the sever data for at this point.01:44
jacekowskiwell, emm01:45
jacekowskiwhat is using hildon at the moment01:45
jacekowskianything else?01:45
Woody14619aAnd the right to redist the Nokia blobs on our own repos as is.01:45
Woody14619aAnything beyond that will be pure bonus IMHO.01:45
DocScrutinizer05jacekowski: hildon been used in NITs since ... maemo01:45
DocScrutinizer05or longer even01:46
jacekowskiyeah, no currently made devices01:46
jacekowskiso hildon is pretty much dead01:46
jacekowskiwhy would nokia care about it01:46
DocScrutinizer05as is maemo01:46
Woody14619aBecause it does have some value still... (otherwise why would we want it?)01:46
jacekowskiuserbase is shrinking fast01:46
Woody14619aAnd because it also holds the potential for littigation if handled inappropriatly....01:47
DocScrutinizer05basic rule: nobody in business gives away a TradeMark just for fun and to clean up their file stash01:47
Woody14619aThe latter being the more likely reason it wasn't just open-sourced when it went EOL.01:47
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DocScrutinizer05Woody14619a: opensourcing formerly closed stuff is a high-workload issue in industry, since they need to check for all that friggin legalese01:49
Woody14619aagain, liability to litigation...01:50
DocScrutinizer05yiu have no idea what it cost me to get glamo *schematics* into
Woody14619aThat's a word I never want to hear again.... glamo. :P01:52
DocScrutinizer05since that cheesy gfx-accel chip came with a NDA you had to sign in blood, and it didn't help at all when the company not even existed anymore when the schematics were published01:52
Woody14619aFWIW, there's been another release of the bylaws, and will probably be one more in a few.  Small but important changes.01:53
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DocScrutinizer05WTF can I disable that KDE idiocy to shrink a maximized window when I click+pull in titlebar, menubar, any random other location of window?02:23
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DocScrutinizer05drives me nuts! >:-(02:24
DocScrutinizer05I bet some idiot implemented that as a feature02:26
DocScrutinizer05don't see this in KDE4.3.502:26
DocScrutinizer05KDE4.7.2 really worse than 4.3.5, incredible02:27
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Luke-JrDocScrutinizer05: KDE 4.8.5 has no such behaviour, nor do I recall seeing it in any older version05:09
Luke-Jrat least not by default (or by upgrade?)05:10
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ShadowJKby "shrink" he probably means same action as un-maximizing05:12
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Skryisnt it quite logical to unmaximize window if you try to move it?06:19
Skryanyways, in 4.9.2, system settings -> window behaviour06:22
Skrytitlebar and window actions06:22
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DocScrutinizer05the point is that I don't try to move window, when I click and drag into e.g. Komversation's /topic text. While it works for text in between, it unmaximizes window when I try to start highlightinh shprtly left of first word06:57
DocScrutinizer05highlighting shortly left*06:58
DocScrutinizer05anyway thanls :-)06:58
DocScrutinizer05alas no friggin option for that in 4.7.2 (or I didn't see it)07:07
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Skrymm, never seen such behavior, but sometimes kde behaves funny when you have old enough configurations for it07:12
Snafu777anyone interested in ngrep for the n900?07:12
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GGonknow this may sound rathe dumb... but are there any lte symbian phones? :)10:29
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deepyWhy do you want LTE? it's a battery drainer!10:35
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deepyWhat good is that when you're out of battery?10:54
Lava_Crofti dont think Nokia has any hardware suppliers that supply LTE stuff10:55
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DocScrutinizer51Nokia has STE13:06
DocScrutinizer51google NovaThor13:06
DocScrutinizer51LTE is less of a battery hog than UMTS13:07
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jaskabut umts sounds like a cheap bass speaker13:07
jaskaumts umts umts umts13:07
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: where you live it is just BS (LTE)14:20
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DocScrutinizer51chem|st: hmm?16:13
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chem|stDocScrutinizer51: LTE in germany is nuts atm16:23
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Palihere are binaries in maemo which using libbmeipc:
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Palihere are functions from libbmeipc:
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Paliand here are for each libbmeipc function list of libraries which using it:
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Paliso only one relevant closed libary usr/lib/pulse-0.9.15/modules/ using libbmeipc (functions: bme_connect, bme_disconnect, bme_read, bme_write)17:01
Palitestserver is running only in LOCAL or TEST mode (and I think this SW is used by phoenix for calibration)17:02
Palilibthermalobject_surface is open source17:02
Paliand hald-addon-bme was rewritten17:02
Palifreemangordon, see ^^^^17:03
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GeneralAntillesteotwaki, you've alerted Jolla. :P17:14
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: I know.17:14
teotwakiThough,  my statement still stands: It's vapourware.17:14
GeneralAntillesWhat makes you say vaporware?17:14
GeneralAntillesAside from the obvious.17:14
teotwakiwell, at the moment, they don't sell anything, just dreams.17:14
teotwakiAnd in my opinion, they should've stfu and kept things a bit more quiet that how vocal they've been17:15
fluxteotwaki, so, basically, any announcement of product not immediately available is vaporware?17:15
teotwakithey're going to lose the traction before getting traction ever even mattered.17:15
GeneralAntillesWell, platform reveal is next month.17:15
GeneralAntillesHardware announcement is in December.17:15
teotwakiflux: by definition, yes.17:15
fluxteotwaki, well, it's not a very good definition. I don't think it used to mean that.17:16
fluxhow long has jolla been visible anyway?17:16
teotwaki"The term also generally applies to a product that is announced months or years before its release, and for which public development details are lacking."17:16
teotwakiCheck the page edits, I didn't just add that quickly to support my statement17:17
fluxteotwaki, yes, it's a matter of scale. but how long has it been, really?17:17
GeneralAntillesWell, you can look at the core stuff in Mer.17:17
teotwakiflux: 6 months? A year?17:18
teotwakiI'm actually asking, I don't have a clue17:18
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: remember the project I nagged you about?17:19
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, vaguely17:20
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teotwakiGeneralAntilles: are you familiar with the words introspection and reflection?17:20
aklsI have a problem with easy debian. If I run "apt-get upgrade" it starts updating and everything is ok, but after 15 minutes it hangs and then reboots. what's wrong?17:21
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, from a philosophical context?17:21
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: in programming languages...17:22
GeneralAntillesLess so.17:22
teotwakihow the hell did you get your degree?17:23
GeneralAntillesI haven't yet. :P17:23
teotwakianyway, here's an example of reflection used in mah project:
teotwakidon't mind the misspelled "persistance", I got carried away with a's when I created the examples directory :17:25
Siceloakls: too much work for your 600MHz ARM processor, and it's limited ram. why don't you do it by parts?17:26
teotwakiSicelo: what a load of bollocks is that17:26
aklsSicelo, alright. how can I do it in parts?17:26
GeneralAntillesteotwaki, OK, so how does this relate to Jolla being vapor?17:26
aklsany easy way?17:26
teotwakiGeneralAntilles: not at all17:26
teotwakiakls: just check whether you still have space on the disk you're using17:26
aklsteotwaki, hmmm17:27
aklsakls, on n900 I have about 28 gb free17:27
aklsthat should be enough17:27
teotwakiyou have 28gb free on one partition17:27
aklsbut maybe easy debian has its own limit?17:27
teotwakicheck the / partition17:27
* Sicelo shrugs17:28
teotwakiI don't know what/how easydeb mounts stuff, but check it doesn't mount some stupidly small block partition17:28
teotwakioff to buy a house and two new motorbikes, 'later.17:28
aklsteotwaki, again?17:28
teotwakiakls: well, turns out buying a house is a multistep process. Apparently they won't accept a credit card.17:29
freemangordonakls: it is your WD kicking, install swappolube and tweak nr_request parameter17:29
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freemangordonmake it > 102417:30
teotwakiswappolube and fapman17:30
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teotwakiand they wonder why Maemo never appealed to the public at large.17:30
freemangordonfapman? for ED ?17:30
teotwakifreemangordon: no, sorry, just the names.17:31
freemangordonakls: also move swap ot uSD (if possible)17:31
freemangordonSD card17:32
freemangordonu stands for "micro"17:32
aklsdoesn't make any sense17:33
aklsmicroSD isn't any faster than phone memory17:33
aklsso why would it help17:33
freemangordontrust me (tm) on that17:33
StyXmanakls: bigger17:34
freemangordonit used different I/O bus17:34
jaskai wish they had put real 1024MB ram instead of crummy swap :|17:34
StyXmanah, nice17:34
jaskaor even 51217:34
jaskawould have made a world of difference17:34
freemangordonakls: so there are no clashes with your /opt and /home17:34
aklswell, we all wish there was any other device besides n90017:34
StyXmanteotwaki: most probably they won't accept *your* credit card :)17:34
jaskayeah :|17:34
freemangordonakls: exclude me from those "all", please :P17:35
aklsfreemangordon, why?17:35
freemangordonbecause my n900 does everything I want from it, so I don;t need another device17:36
jaskai could use a kbd with more keys, more ram17:36
jaskaor atleast a kbd where the matrix doesnt ovelap as much, some keycombos arent possible17:36
freemangordonn950 has larger kbd, 4 rows, and trust me, the one on n900 is better. and I can always attach BT keyboard when I want more keys17:37
jaskalike shift-fn-z and shift-fn-x bug out17:37
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jaska(with a custom xkb map)17:37
freemangordonwith extkbd :P17:37
jaskanot really interested in bt kbds.. just made a layout that removes some useless things and map more stuff behind shift-fn-something17:38
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ShadowJKbt keyboard are annoying in the way you need 2-3 hands more to use them ;)17:42
freemangordonhmm, why is that? I don't see any difference with my desktop.17:44
ShadowJKYes but if I have a desk I use computer17:45
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freemangordonsure, the point is that there are lots of real life scenarios when n900 + BT kbd/mouse does the job pretty well17:46
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freemangordonbeing on a holiday for example17:46
jaskafor some people perhaps.17:46
ShadowJKthe N900 hwkbd is nice though i think17:47
jaskamy keycaps are getting so worn that the backlight shines thru :)17:47
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ShadowJKhad that on my previous n900 :)17:48
jaskawell, only R and T so far17:49
ShadowJKand also the s key had lost tactile feedback17:49
jaskanot sure why those two speficially17:49
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johnsu01jaska: that happened on my warranty replacement very quickly17:50
jaskathis is my first n900 so far17:50
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* freemangordon is on his first :)17:51
jaskai know 2 people with unused ones so i can always buy from them cheapish :)17:51
freemangordonand strangely all the painting is still intact17:51
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jaskaone scratch on a corner from a drop17:51
freemangordonafter 2 and a half years17:51
jaskanot sure why people said it scratches on the screen easily17:52
freemangordonbecause it does17:52
freemangordonit is soft17:52
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jaskahmm, mine hasnt so far <.<17:52
jaska*cross fingers*17:52
aklshow can I use autocompletion with virtual keyboard?17:52
RST38hn900's screen is easily scratchable indeed17:52
freemangordonakls: enable it17:52
jaskamight be that i carry it in a htc belt container.. just had to stretch it a bit to fit the mugen backcover17:53
aklsfreemangordon, I start typing it, then it suggests me something.. and?17:53
freemangordonclick the blue part17:53
aklsif I press SPACE, it erases the suggestion17:53
freemangordonI had to ask for that one too :D17:53
jaskai tried installing some screen cover but i failed when it was new17:53
jaskadidnt bother buying another one17:54
jaskacouldnt get bubbles out17:54
freemangordonjaska: well, I recommend you to put one, even with the bubbles17:54
jaskaive had the device for a few years so.. dont think ill need it17:54
freemangordonwell, ok17:55
StyXmanakls: also, press ->17:56
aklsStyXman, wtf is ->17:57
freemangordonright arroe17:57
StyXmanakls: 'right'17:57
aklsright arrow? How can I press it if I have virtual keyboard enabled?17:57
freemangordonStyXman: but we're talking about VKB17:57
StyXmanah, heeh17:57
StyXmanwho uses it anyways17:58
aklsanyway, is there any way to use two hardware keyboard layouts?17:58
aklsany "easy" way?17:58
freemangordonit is supported OOB17:58
freemangordonenable it17:58
infobotoob is probably DTMF Out Of Band17:59
freemangordonout of the box17:59
aklsfreemangordon, it's not :(17:59
aklsfreemangordon, well, I have enabled it. and now I have two virtual keyboard layouts17:59
aklsnow what about hardware layout?17:59
freemangordonhmm, define " two hardware keyboard layouts"18:00
freemangordonuse ctrl-space toswitch18:00
aklsI press "a" key on the keyboard, english "a" is typed. I press "a" key on the keyboard, russian ф is typed18:00
freemangordonuse ctrl+space18:00
aklsfreemangordon, it said that layout was changed, but really nothing happened18:01
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StyXmanakls: have you defined the second one?18:01
freemangordonhmm, did you setup it correctly?18:01
freemangordonsettings->text input18:02
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freemangordonat the bottom you should define first and second languages18:02
vi_freemangordon: yo18:02
freemangordonvi_: yo18:02
aklsfreemangordon, but on the top I have "Hardware keyboard layout"18:02
aklsfreemangordon, and it's set to "English, Nederlands"18:03
freemangordonno, change that to russian18:03
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aklson the bottom I have 1st language: English, 2nd language: Russian18:03
vi_I just read in the thread for the virtual keyboard that you now have 'the sources' for hildon input method?  Where did that come from?18:03
aklsfreemangordon, alright! You're right18:04
freemangordonvi_: man where you've been? :P18:04
aklsfreemangordon, now it works18:04
aklsfreemangordon, but it was something I wouldn't ever get by myself18:04
vi_freemangordon: life is brutally busy.18:05
freemangordonakls: call centre is here. As usual :D:D:D18:05
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freemangordonvi_: I REed those18:05
vi_I do not even have time to get to grips with my shiny n950.18:05
vi_freemangordon: So the official source was not provided, you just REed it?18:06
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freemangordonvi_: It is better that way, you'll be disappointed18:06
vi_freemangordon: You are really quite the talent!18:06
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freemangordonI know :P18:06
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vi_I issed the work canteen cake give-away.18:07
freemangordonvi_: though REing is way easier with hexrays18:07
vi_freemangordon: I love hexrays.18:07
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freemangordonme too18:07
vi_IDA pro rulez.18:07
freemangordonas always18:07
freemangordonvi_: the last victim was libcal :P18:08
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aklsam I the only person who likes the resistive touchscreen that much?18:16
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aklsis there any GOOD desktop widget to show memory, swap, cpu usage?18:19
freemangordonakls: you're not18:19
freemangordonakls: for that stuff you'd better use conky18:20
freemangordonthe one in extras-devel18:20
freemangordonPali: hi18:21
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aklsfreemangordon, yep! but I'm asking for a desktop widget18:21
freemangordonstill no comment on my comment re u-boot, I wonder if that guy just ignores me or he has not received the mail18:21
freemangordonakls: can;t help here18:22
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aklswhy the fuck MyDocs partition is vfat and not ext3?18:38
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akls"FAT is used as it can be accessed on most non-Linux computers and is thus useful for data exchange in USB mass storage mode "18:40
aklsso for window users? -_-18:40
jacekowskiwindows, linux, mac18:41
jacekowskiext3 sucks18:41
jacekowskiother option would be MTP, and you don't want that18:41
aklssucks? much better than fat shit18:45
jacekowskifat is simpler and far more reliable when it comes to power cuts18:46
aklswhy? I can't even have my easy debian image bigger than 4 gb18:46
jacekowskiideal fs for mobile devices18:46
freemangordonjacekowski: was that you with dosbox?18:48
aklsjacekowski, then why /home is ext3?18:48
freemangordonalks FAT does not support permissions18:49
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infobothmm... ootb is Out Of The Box18:54
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aklsn900 turns of after a while when booting BackupMenu19:02
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infobotrescue-os is probably
aklsoh no19:03
aklsnow it works19:03
aklsfalse alarm :D19:03
DocScrutinizer05apt-get upgrade easydeb? bwahahaha19:07
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vi_akls: look into queen beecon widgets19:22
vi_for cpu, memory etc19:23
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vi_although, what better way to waste your cpu, memory etc than with widgets telling you how much cpu/memory you have wasted with widgets.19:23
vi_I am sure there is a 'yo dawg, I heard you like x and y, so we put and x in y so you can x while you y'.19:24
vi_I took all of the memory allocations out of syspart.conf.19:24
vi_Lets just see how this mutha roles.19:25
vi_it was battery patch.19:25
freemangordonyeah, batterypatch. and we all hate you for this :D19:26
freemangordonvi_: btw I reied swappiness of 0. don;t work goo, now laying with 1019:27
freemangordonso far so good19:28
freemangordon*played with19:28
vi_Is that the only thing you changed?19:28
freemangordonI should be more careful when typing19:28
vi_I already hate myself for winning an n950.19:28
freemangordonno, but compared with pre-thumb19:29
freemangordonvi_: why is that?19:30
vi_there are just so many parameters to fiddle with, I just do not know how to effectivly measure the result of changing any of them.19:30
vi_Because now I have an n950.19:30
vi_What do I do with it?19:30
freemangordonbtw i broke the screen, you can send it to me if you hate it too much :D19:30
vi_I cannot use it because spare parts do not exist.19:30
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vi_If it breaks, that is it.19:31
freemangordonI know that pretty well19:31
vi_I cannot sell it because that would make me a total fuckwad.19:31
freemangordonwell, it is not broken, just those 2 black stripes19:31
vi_I do not want to start 'getting into' it as that would rob me of another 2 years like the n900.19:32
freemangordonvi_: hmm, I don;t think there is such risk19:32
vi_I do not want to give it to some aspiring programer as that would divert his attention away from fremantle.19:32
freemangordonn9/50 is waay too limited caompared to n90019:32
freemangordonbot HW and SW19:32
vi_I feel I should give it away.19:33
vi_But then I think, Easy debian!19:33
vi_a pocket linux computer with fone!!!19:33
vi_But I cannot use it incase I break it.19:33
vi_Then I am back at the start.19:34
vi_1st world problems.19:34
vi_Do you think n950 parts would be available through nokia care points?19:35
freemangordonI should call them some day19:37
freemangordonthese days though19:37
freemangordonto try to find a replacement screen19:37
vi_fix backing swap and give me thumb+neon comiled mplayer and you can have mine.19:37
vi_mint condition.19:37
freemangordonmplayer? ffmpeg?19:40
freemangordonit comes with its own codecs?19:40
vi_libavcodec or something.19:40
freemangordonwell, gimme the sources19:40
vi_it is already in the repos.19:40
freemangordonaah, i,ve already did that19:41
freemangordonfor ogg/flac19:41
vi_n950 - Achievement 50% unlocked19:41
freemangordonbut still not in -thumb, I want berkeley DB and PA first19:41
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vi_you are free to do as you wish, I expect nothing from you.  You have already contributed so much to my favourite platform.19:42
freemangordonvi_: though you'll receive newer one for libavcodec than the one in repos, as NEON badly supported in maemo version19:42
vi_that is what I mean.19:43
freemangordon*is badly19:43
freemangordonyeah, I told you, I played a bit19:43
freemangordonhmm, maybe I will issue a small update today, with berkeley DB only.19:44
freemangordonlets see if I will ahev time19:44
vi_to state terms: newer mplayer+ramzswap backingswap working properly==1 mint condition n950 for FMG.19:44
freemangordonvi_: BTW libavcodec is derived from ffmpeg19:45
vi_freemangordon: I suspected as such.19:45
freemangordonvi_: any problems mplayer to be statically linked?19:45
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freemangordonif for some reason I am unable to backport libavcodec to maemo19:45
freemangordon(upstream version)19:46
vi_not for me.19:46
freemangordonvi_: and don't expect it in -extras :P19:46
freemangordon-thumb rulez19:47
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vi_I did not choose the thumb2 life, the thumb2 life chose me.19:47
freemangordonok, deal. going afk for a while19:47
keriovi_: but ramzswap sucks balls19:50
RST38hbetter than  no ramzswap19:51
keriofreemangordon: would you use ramzswap?19:51
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ^19:51
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RST38hAnd now for the really mysterious facts of everyday life: an Android developer is apparently prohibited from buying his own app from Google Play Store19:53
RST38hHead, meet table.19:53
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freemangordonkerio: not in its current form20:02
freemangordonbut if I manage to make backing swap work as it should, I might reconsider20:03
keriowhat do you mean?20:03
freemangordonrephrase you question please20:04
freemangordonI was answering to <kerio> freemangordon: would you use ramzswap?20:04
keriohow is it supposed to work?20:04
freemangordonthe qurrent implementation does not deal with flash memory20:05
freemangordonso it reads/writes 4k at once20:05
freemangordonyou can imagine20:05
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GGonsymbian is the only 4G OS that doesnt attach you to some conglomeratr20:27
GGonor meego20:28
GGonim getting an e7 next week for sure20:28
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jacekowski4G OS?20:43
vi__4G OS!!!20:44
kerio4G OS!1!1!1!120:45
vi__BIRDS WITH ARMS|!!!|!20:46
kerioNO >:C20:47
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kerioPali: yo pali21:22
kerioas in, wassup21:23
kerioie what's up21:23
keriocolloquial for "what's going on in your life as of late"21:23
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Palivoronoi diagrams21:26
Palikerio, did you ever heard about it? :D21:26
kerioPali: cute21:27
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Palifortune algorithm21:31
kerioi never did any kind of programming related to geometry21:33
DocScrutinizer05fortune algorithm. now THAT sounds cool21:39
kerioDocScrutinizer05: sadly, it's not an algorithm to be more lucky21:39
kerioPali: btw, how do i boot rescue-os from uboot?21:41
DocScrutinizer05exactly like meego?21:41
kerioi also have no idea how to boot meego21:41
kerioso there's that21:41
DocScrutinizer05ooh wait, r-os is not flashed, no?21:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: no, but of course uboot can do everything21:42
DocScrutinizer05so you don't boot r-od from uBoot at all21:42
Palikerio, for rescue os boot from u-boot look at u-boot tmo thread21:42
DocScrutinizer05since NOLO loads r-os to RAM and starts it21:42
PaliI wrote it21:42
keriouboot could boot a potato, unless it's on the nand21:42
freemangordonvi_: mplayer is ready :P21:43
keriofreemangordon: is it hardfp?21:43
Palikerio, hardfp is not possible on maemo21:43
Paliyou need to recompile ALL libraries and applications21:44
DocScrutinizer05errr, statically linked it is, I'd guess21:44
Palibut some are closed, so it is not possible21:44
keriocan't you just get a glibc for mplayer?21:44
Palibut why static linking?21:44
kerioand gtk, whatevs21:44
Paliand having two version of each (more) oss libraries in system is stupid idea21:44
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon said he might revert to static linking for mplayer21:44
freemangordonNokia-N900:/opt# ./mplayer -v21:45
freemangordonMPlayer 1.1-4.7.2 (C) 2000-2012 MPlayer Team21:45
freemangordonit is static by default21:45
Palihere is algorithm by stevan fortune on wiki:'s_algorithm21:45
PaliDocScrutinizer05, it is not easy!21:45
kerioPali: i read that, it's really cool21:45
kerioboth the algorithm and the animated gif on wikipedia :D21:46
freemangordonvi_: please compare with stock and comment21:46
kerioPali: hmm, where are 2.6.37 and rescueOS-initrd-0.5.3.img supposed to be?21:47
Palikerio, where you set it in your item file21:47
kerioPali: yeah but those are relative paths21:47
kerioare they implied to be in /boot?21:47
Palikerio, also first need to convert to uImage format21:47
kerioPali: really? :O21:48
Paliif you set your item file to load it from first eMMC or SD card, then uboot will load it from21:48
Palifiles under /boot are converted automatically21:48
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kerioi thought u-boot-update-bootmenu did the conversion for me21:48
vi__freemangordon: will do.21:48
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infobotsomebody said rescue-os was
Palibut if you want to store it in MyDocs or in /home or on sd card, then script will not generate any file21:49
Palibut it set correct file path to uboot21:49
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freemangordonvi_: what is the best frontend for mplayer?21:50
keriodoes the initrd have to be there too?21:50
vi__freemangordon: xterm XD21:51
vi__kmplayer or smplayer21:51
vi__kmplayer probably21:51
vi__personally I use xterm for everything.21:51
freemangordonyeah, i've just installed it21:51
freemangordonvi_: how big is stock mplayer?21:52
vi__1 sec21:52
freemangordonyeah, found it21:52
freemangordonhmm, it is 1MB smaller than 1.121:53
DocScrutinizer05voronoi based on manhattan distance is fun21:54
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PaliDocScrutinizer05, no here end of all fun21:57
PaliI have really no idea how to create it21:57
kerioDocScrutinizer05: rescueOS booted :D21:58
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vi__so hardfp is possible if it is statically linked?22:00
vi__does that mean you could run a hardfp chroot?22:00
keriovi__: i'd ask for hardfp before giving him your n95022:00
PaliDocScrutinizer05, ukkonen algorithm (for linear suffix tree) is easier then voronoi on manhattan distance22:01
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hrmpf, lost my clock for some reason22:01
freemangordonvi__: yes, hardfp chroot is possible22:03
kerioDocScrutinizer05: it's definetely related to some charging script botching something, because i get into ACT_DEAD mode for a little bit when booting fremantle22:04
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DocScrutinizer05no, hardfp is not possible, since it's still same kernel22:06
DocScrutinizer05I'd guess22:06
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: kernel does not care about hard/softfp afaik22:06
freemangordonit is libc/libm22:07
freemangordonjust think about flashplayer in harmatan22:07
freemangordonit is softfp wit a wrapper ro libm22:07
infobotfreemangordon meant: it is softfp wit a wrapper to libm22:07
DocScrutinizer05maybe I'm mistaken22:08
freemangordonsoftfp/hardfp difference is in how the float parameters are passed22:08
DocScrutinizer05yeah, I guess nobody ever passing floats to kernel22:09
freemangordonsoftfp uses r0-r13(ARM) regs, while hardfp uses FPU regs22:09
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DocScrutinizer05since probably I would beat them down the main alley for using floats in kernel space22:10
freemangordonAFAIK there is no other difference22:10
keriobut floats r kewl22:10
infobotit has been said that kewl is zwampy22:11
freemangordonthe fuck22:11
DocScrutinizer05prolly PA will kill you though22:11
DocScrutinizer05or ALSA itself22:12
freemangordonwhy? aren't they use some kind of22:12
freemangordoni don;t think anyone calls PA or ALSA with arrays of loats22:13
freemangordonthough might be totally wrong22:13
DocScrutinizer05you don't think so ;-P22:13
DocScrutinizer05yet it seems I heard exactly that22:14
freemangordonwell, chroot could include PA as well, the same way ED does it22:14
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DocScrutinizer05yeah, the clean good'ol ALSA audio cards will still takes16le and nuttin else22:15
freemangordonhmm, maybe I am wrong, but PA uses some kind of "socket"22:15
freemangordonso it should not matter if float parameters are passed by ARM or FPU regs22:16
freemangordonI am not experienced enough on that matter22:16
DocScrutinizer05the audio cards are kernel space22:17
DocScrutinizer05PA (like ALSA plugins) is userland, ALSA even basically a lib22:17
freemangordonwell, calling convention in user space should make no difference then22:17
DocScrutinizer05but the moment when they hand the frames down to audiocard, it crosses the border22:18
DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-18 21:15:25] <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, the clean good'ol ALSA audio cards will still takes16le and nuttin else22:18
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freemangordonhmm , we are not changing endianess here22:18
freemangordonjust where the values sit22:18
DocScrutinizer05s16le will not be passed in FPU regs ;-)22:19
freemangordonand that should not matter for any i/o operation22:19
freemangordonand even if userland have to write some float to mmaped memory, it will know where to get it from22:19
freemangordonie ARM/FPU reg22:20
freemangordonAFAIK we can't pass anything to kernal by other means but memory22:20
DocScrutinizer05audio cards have several ABIs, not only mmap22:20
freemangordonit was just an example22:20
freemangordonwhether it is mmap or /dev/some_cool_audio, we still pass the data via the memory22:21
DocScrutinizer05but I'm as well no expert22:21
freemangordonup/down _ /read/write22:21
freemangordonI am not aware of anything else in kernel22:22
DocScrutinizer05ther could - in theory - be an audiocard that has a hardfp (or softfp) ABI22:22
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freemangordonhmm, what is that supposed to mean22:22
DocScrutinizer05parameter passed from userland process to kernel audiocard being a singe float22:23
freemangordonFPU regs are inside MPU, and it is only MPU who can access them22:23
freemangordonaah, I see22:23
freemangordonbut his is not hardfp22:24
freemangordonas you can't pass data to kernel by using registers22:24
DocScrutinizer05yeah, since it's not math22:24
freemangordononly memory22:24
DocScrutinizer05sounds sound ;-)22:24
freemangordonso whatever the calling convention in userland/kernel is, you're safe22:25
freemangordon(at least my knowledge says that :D )22:25
DocScrutinizer05I bet you're right22:25
freemangordonsounds sane.22:25
freemangordonat least22:25
DocScrutinizer05vi_: so how about simply testing a hardfp chroot? :-D22:26
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DocScrutinizer05(btw I ran tests for freemangordon (iirc), hardfp vs softfp, it didn't seem to make any difference)22:27
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DocScrutinizer05though we both had some problems to accept that result22:28
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DocScrutinizer05was it you, freemangordon?22:28
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it makes difference only for FPU intensive tasks22:28
freemangordoncan't remember22:28
freemangordonmost probably no22:28
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freemangordonyou promised me thumb/stock comparison :P22:29
DocScrutinizer05oh yes22:29
freemangordonnot hardfp/softfp22:29
DocScrutinizer05shame on me22:29
freemangordonshame on you :D:D:D22:29
DocScrutinizer05I still have the thumb-device/system here22:30
DocScrutinizer05but I don't know how to take a proper video on the comparision22:30
DocScrutinizer05and I'm absolutely reluctant to post subjective judgements22:32
DocScrutinizer05so maybe there's a nice performance test website?22:33
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DocScrutinizer05wait, did you say you thombified HAM?22:34
keriohe did22:34
keriowell, i don't know if he said it22:34
keriobut he thumbified it22:34
DocScrutinizer05so a simple HAM show all, on same set of repos, should be easily time-able22:34
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DocScrutinizer05no, zhombified22:35
DocScrutinizer05kerio: that been an intentional one, I won't give it away now that I found it ;-)22:36
freemangordondoc, in latest -tomb :P both apt and HAM are thumb-compiled22:38
freemangordonso you can do apt-get update on the same set of repos (prefferably extras-devel amongst them) and check the times22:38
DocScrutinizer05hmmm, lemme check what I got here22:39
DocScrutinizer05settings- about?22:39
DocScrutinizer05uname -a?22:39
freemangordonshould work22:39
freemangordonyou should be on 5.1-thumb322:39
freemangordonyou should be on 5.1+thumb322:39
freemangordonwell, upgrade22:40
DocScrutinizer05tell me how22:40
freemangordonvia HAM22:40
DocScrutinizer05aaaah that's why theres that nagging[!]22:41
kerioDocScrutinizer05: technically you should reflash and full reset both n900s22:41
DocScrutinizer05Maemo 5 community SSU package(thumb)22:41
freemangordonkerio: for apt-get update should not matter that much22:41
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DocScrutinizer05dafaq I'll do22:42
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yep22:42
keriofreemangordon: no, to do a perfectly legit comparison22:42
freemangordonaah, deffinitely22:42
MrPinguWhere's that guy who asked for ngrep?22:42
MrPinguI compiled it here and it seems it's working fine22:42
DocScrutinizer05the other system is virgin PR1.322:43
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: just have in mind when comparing RAM, that KCSSU(aka KP) has 12MB reserved for framebuffer, compared to 6 in staock22:43
DocScrutinizer05this one seen thumb22:43
vi__whatd I miss?22:43
freemangordona little discussion provoked by your question22:43
freemangordonfor hardfp chroot22:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: have you done anything else?22:44
keriomaybe let them run for a bit before doing the test22:44
MrPinguexcept it listens on wmaster0 as default but with a -d wlan0 command it's fixed ;p22:44
DocScrutinizer05two virgin N90022:44
DocScrutinizer05one with CSSU-thumb pimping22:45
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vi__DocScrutinizer05: oooooh!22:45
freemangordonyeah, a perverted one :P22:45
vi__I want to see graphs 'n shit when you are done.22:45
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: if you plan to do some mmedia comparison, don;t do it22:46
vi__Who wants to sell me 2xn900?22:46
DocScrutinizer05vi__: that's why I'm still not even beginning22:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, what's your installed version of hildon-initscripts on your main n900?22:46
keriofreemangordon: why no mmedia comparison? :o22:47
freemangordonuntil I put PA and ALSA22:47
freemangordonbecause until now only gstreamer is in -thumb22:47
freemangordonit will make a difference of course, but gstreamer-av uses ffmpeg22:47
DocScrutinizer05hmhm, rebooted, and "success" KTNX22:47
freemangordonwhich is still not thumb22:47
freemangordonbad you don;t have FB account22:48
DocScrutinizer05but now I have to run for dinner22:48
freemangordonFB is the ultimate "on your knees" for mobile browsers22:48
freemangordon(c) WASP ^^^22:48
keriomeh, i'd say myfreecams is a better power test22:48
freemangordonwhat is it? pr0n?22:49
keriobut most importantly, lots and lots of javascript to keep an updated list of channels, and flash player22:49
freemangordonkerio: so, how's your power?22:49
kerioiirc SpeedEvil looked a bit into it, it was quite sophisticated22:49
SpeedEvilit's wacky22:49
keriono srsly22:50
SpeedEvilit's got a non-visible flash applet that talks to a sorta IRC XML thingy.22:50
freemangordonwell, heavy flash will be the same on stock/thumb22:50
SpeedEvilthen, a JavaScript half to process the data that provides into 'normal' pages22:50
SpeedEvilthen another flash, for any video22:51
freemangordonI am not sure my desktop could handle that22:51
kerioall of this, just to see a girl dressed as slave leia masturbating with two replica lightsabers22:51
kerioOR SO I HEARD22:52
SpeedEvilI've only seen one lightsaber at a time22:52
freemangordonhmm, not enough power for 2 maybe22:52
freemangordonSpeedEvil: did you installed -thumb?22:52
freemangordonwell, that is why22:52
kerioSpeedEvil: at some point she had The Imperial March playing in the background22:52
SpeedEvilI've been exhausted with deeply boring stuff.22:53
freemangordonSpeedEvil: 2 lightsabers are for those with thumb, ask kerio if you dont trust me :P22:53
SpeedEvilI have in my paste buffer, for example22:53
kerioby the way, i *am* serious22:53
DocScrutinizer05that's clearly the dark side22:53
DocScrutinizer05as sexy as darth vader22:54
kerioDocScrutinizer05: one lightsaber was definetely there22:54
DocScrutinizer05cock04, epic URL22:55
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the other test (which I already did, but still) is openssl benchmark22:56
SpeedEvilit's way more boring than the URL suggests22:57
DocScrutinizer05Mrs Cockrane22:57
freemangordon"openssl speed"22:57
vi__confirming: myfreecam==pr0n22:58
DocScrutinizer05is that a shell cmd or what?22:58
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keriovi__: what gave it away?22:58
keriothe "girl masturbating with two lightsabers" part?22:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yes, just type that in termiinal22:59
vi__you know what else is a misleading URL?23:00
freemangordonvi__: did you try mplayer?23:00
vi__freemangordon: not yet, cooking tea!23:01
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: will it ever finsih?23:01
freemangordonit uses constatnt time per test23:02
DocScrutinizer05I hope it gives a summary at end23:02
freemangordonhmm, no23:02
freemangordonwell, can't remember23:03
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DocScrutinizer05ok, another missed dinner :-/23:04
freemangordonthis is what it gives23:05
vi__freemangordon: it does appear to play media, will need to compare performance later.23:07
freemangordonvi__: it deffinitely plays media, I was asking abot performance23:07
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freemangordonso ok23:07
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aklsI've tried solution #7
aklsso I connected my n900, and in gparted I've formatted vfat partition to ext323:31
aklsnow when I boot n900 everything is screwed23:31
aklswell, the OS works23:31
aklsbut all images are replaced with IMAGE NOT FOUND image23:31
aklsand all gui thing is default23:31
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vi__akls: that is because you need to change genfstab.awk to mount an ext partition instead of vfat 32.23:38
aklsvi__, damn23:40
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vi__you changed mydocs to ext?23:40
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keriohahahah wow23:42
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aklsvi__, yes23:42
vi__read this:23:42
aklsvi__, alright23:45
aklsnow about fixing my current situation23:45
aklsshould I reflash?23:45
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vi__I dont know.23:47
vi__Afaik, all you have to do is alter genfstab.awk.23:47
vi__then everything should be fixed.23:47
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vi__but I am not sure23:49
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aklsvi__, I think anything else is screwed... but reflashing would cause partition table to reset, right?23:50
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vi__complete reflash will completely reset everything.23:53
kerionot everything, tho23:53
infobotfrom memory, n900-full-reset is when the user presses the PWRON (power-on) button for 8 seconds and removes the battery in the next 8 seconds, the TPS65950 enters NO SUPPLY state instead of BACKUP state, even if a valid backup battery is present. In such a situation, the backup domain registers are also reset, along with the VRRTC domain registers.23:53
vi__kerio: keepup23:53
vi__full re-flash23:54
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keriofull reflash still doesn't reset TPS23:54
vi__akls: after reflash, install backup menu first.23:55
vi__then use gparted and increase /opt to 4-6GB or so.23:56
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