IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2012-10-14

DocScrutinizer05can't hurt to just delete it and test00:00
kerioDocScrutinizer05: get off irc and eat something00:00
DocScrutinizer05AYE even00:00
* grammoboy n900 booted00:01
vi__DocScrutinizer05: GTFO INTERNET & A BEER.00:01
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keriogrammoboy: can you pastebin the contents of your /proc/mounts and your /etc/mtab somewhere?00:01
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grammoboykerio, ^00:10
keriowhat about /etc/mtab, or the output of "mount"?00:11
DocScrutinizer05oh lol, I managed to get TWO identical entries for /dev/mmcblk1p2 in mtab now00:12
grammoboykerio, no /nfs/music mount points00:12
keriocan you rmdir /nfs/music?00:12
grammoboykerio, yes00:13
keriothen you probably don't have any problems00:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I umounted /media/mmc1p2/, then copied old version of mtab *with* the /media/mmc1p2/ line over the current one00:14
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kerioand then you mounted it again?00:15
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# umount /media/mmc1p2/00:15
DocScrutinizer05umount: cannot umount /media/mmc1p2: Invalid argument00:15
keriosee, not even mount cares about /etc/mtab00:15
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: do umount /etc/fstab00:15
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /media/mmc1p2 -t ext3 -o rw,noauto,nodev,exec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime00:15
DocScrutinizer05then there were TWO00:15
kerioyeah, it makes sense00:16
grammoboyit has problems mounting the nfs00:16
kerio/etc/mtab is there for histerical raisins00:16
keriogrammoboy: which problems?00:16
keriodid you do /etc/init.d/nfs-common start and /etc/init.d/portmap start?00:16
grammoboykerio, no and now it seems to be solve00:17
grammoboyo my00:18
grammoboyisn't it strange that you've to restart those stuff after reboot?00:18
kerionow, umount your fs and remount it with -o soft00:18
keriogrammoboy: they should be started at boot, but they're not00:18
grammoboywhy -o soft?00:18
keriobecause otherwise if you lose the connection to the server you have to toy with IP addresses or remove the battery00:19
grammoboy-o soft -t nfs?00:19
grammoboyalso no rc.local file00:24
* grammoboy prefers real debian :)00:24
grammoboyto start up stuff in debian at boot00:27
grammoboyor right after boot00:28
grammoboyor somewhere in between00:28
DocScrutinizer05aaah that silly solitaire moster initscript ;-P00:28
DocScrutinizer05that 'alterna(t)ive' to proper sysV init00:29
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grammoboyDocScrutinizer05, kerio thx for your help guys00:33
* grammoboy playing radiohead via nfs00:33
ShadowJKthe homemade applewine was going to be 11% according to maths, before bottling the direct measurement said 14%00:34
ShadowJKtastes more like a vodka than a wine so it might be true heh00:34
DocScrutinizer05grammoboy: yw00:35
DocScrutinizer05kerio: man 8 mount|grep -A4 "When *the *proc"00:35
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DocScrutinizer05wow, manpages are really interesting sometimes: >>... s. One can also remount a single file (on a single file). It's also possible to use the bind mount to create a mountpoint from a regular directory, for example: mount --bind foo foo  <<00:39
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: >> -f, --fake Causes everything to be done except for the actual system call; if it's not obvious, this ``fakes'' mounting the filesystem. This option is useful in conjunction with the -v flag to determine what the mount command is trying to do. It can also be used to add entries for devices that were mounted earlier with the -n option. The -f option checks for existing record in /etc/mtab and fails when the record already exists00:48
DocScrutinizer05(with regular non-fake mount, this check is done by kernel). <<00:48
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: there are 2 interesting details in that: 1) "can also be used to add entries" (I assume also to delete entries, for umount), and 2) "... this check is done by kernel"00:51
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sLumPiaWhy is the dsp profile have POWERSAVE_BIAS=0 ?04:56
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sLumPiaIsn't it better to have POWERSAVE_BIAS=1 ?04:57
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DocScrutinizer05please explain what's POWERSAVE_BIAS05:59
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Ikarusanyone know if there is a telepathy backend for whatsapp ?10:27
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zsolthello!my n900 doesn't charge with my universal usb charger,need some advice,thank you10:40
zsoltthe charger's max current is 1000mA10:41
jacekowskiit's probably iphone charger10:43
jacekowskior n900 is overloading it10:43
jacekowskidoes it say charging on nothing happens when you plug it in?10:43
zsolti bought as universal usb charger10:43
jacekowskidoes it say charging on nothing happens when you plug it in?10:44
zsoltmass storage mode or pc suite mode options pop up10:44
jacekowskisounds like some weird charger10:45
zsoltthen i click outside this window it says charging only,but nothing happens10:45
zsoltyellow led is not blinking10:45
zsoltit charges my girlfriend's mp4 and other usb devices,but not my n90010:47
jacekowskiit sounds like iphone charger10:47
zsoltit is a switching mode adaptor10:49
zsoltread the manual10:50
jogaI built a small solar panel charger once and to charge the n900 one pin (I forget which, D-something?) had to be soldered to ground. still for some reason it wouldn't charge my n900 but did charge my gf's n900 and other phones :)10:50
zsoltheard somewhere that need to be short something,but forgotten what to do10:51
joganot sure if it was about software, I'm running the power kernel etc10:51
zsoltmee too10:52
zsoltit charges from original wall charger10:52
zsoltso do you think is it a software issue?10:53
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zsoltwhat happens if I short  D+/D-?10:59
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jogazsolt actually that was probably it...shorting the D-pins11:09
zsoltthank you11:12
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zsoltwilling to use it on usb host mode with peripherals by usb Y cable,isn't harmful for my devices to short d+ d-?11:24
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jogaI think if your devices are anything else than chargers or stuff that draws power from the port, you will be unhappy without the D-pins11:28
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zsoltmy set is like this11:28
zsoltone usb came from a usb hub with devices attached and another with power goes then to my phone11:29
zsoltit is an y cable11:30
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keriozsolt: to be fair you can probably force dedicated mode with bq24150x_charger11:37
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zsoltyess!i did it,thank you11:56
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Paliping freemangordon12:17
freemangordonPali: pong12:17
Palifreemangordon, I sent uboot patches to uboot ML12:18
freemangordongood :)12:18
PaliI CCed you12:18
freemangordonI am REing cal ;)12:18
Palican you write answer about thumb errata questions?12:19
freemangordonlemme see12:19
Palithere are some and that code is yours12:19
freemangordon"default: missing." hehe :P12:21
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freemangordonPali: I am not sure I undrestand the questions. what am I supposed to answer to "_WHAT_ ?!"12:29
freemangordonand "Actually -- why12:30
freemangordondo you even do call into ROM ?12:30
Paliwrite it12:30
freemangordonnot that I don;t know what code is supposed to do, but questioning style is not clear to me12:31
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kerioPali: i want to try uboot, just 'cause12:40
kerioPali: how do i merge kp52 with uboot?12:40
Palikerio, install kernel-power-bootimg package12:41
keriodoes uboot-mkimage work?12:41
Paliand then u-boot-utils12:41
Paliand then flash u-boot12:41
Paliand you get kp in bootmenu12:41
kerioPali: so i'm supposed to ignore the uboot-* packages in extras-devel?12:41
Palikerio, yes ignore all uboot packages in extras12:42
keriogot it12:42
Paliand first remove them12:42
kerioi don't have any installed :)12:42
Paliok :-)12:42
keriohow do i flash uboot? can i do that from the device?12:42
Paliare you going to use that new build?12:43
kerioi suppose so12:43
Paliyou can flash fiasco image on device by fiasco-image-update12:43
keriothis is a 210412:43
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kerioPali: hmm, why is the -bootimg installed in /boot?12:54
kerioi thought there was no way to access the onenand from uboot12:54
Paliu-boot-update-bootmenu generate uImage from zImage and store it onto MyDocs12:55
kerioi see12:55
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kerioPali: it appears to have booted13:03
zsolthello problem is that need to charge my phone during usb host mode13:04
keriozsolt: you've got a crappy charger, there's probably a software way around it but meh13:04
zsoltno,i just shortened the d+ an d-13:04
kerioPali: it werkd13:04
keriothen it should wor13:05
zsoltit works now13:05
zsoltbut if I set to usb host mode with charging it refuses,"error,charger detected13:05
zsoltusing kp51r113:06
kerioPali: uboot working on 210413:07
kerioPali: predictably, the attached kernel doesn't work13:08
kerioPali: hmm, selecting kp52 and then quickly closing the keyboard slider (to not get bootmenu afterwards) made it not work13:11
Palikerio, then you have problem with maemo rootfs /dev13:11
PaliIn I added some mknod which create needed devices in /dev13:11
Palilike /dev/null /dev/zero ...13:12
kerioPali: how do i make a combined uboot image from kp52?13:13
keriodo you have an uboot.bin?13:13
Paliunpack fiasco image and you got uboot.bin13:14
Paliflasher[-3.5] -F <image.fiasco> -u13:14
Paliflasher is on n900, flasher-3.5 is on computer13:14
kerioand then uboot-gen-combined with the zimage in /boot and that uboot.bin13:15
kerioand then fiasco-update-image13:15
keriogot it13:15
kerioty :)13:15
Palikerio, do you have fiasco-update-image-ask deb package installed?13:18
zsoltneed advice please!now figured out how to attach usb Y cable set,to enpower peripherals and charge my phone at the same time,but usb host mode with charging refuses to operate,"error,charger detected"using kernel power 51r113:21
Paliyou need to disconnect charger before initializing host mdoe13:24
Palifirst establish usb host mode and then attach charger13:24
Palizsolt ^^^13:25
zsoltthank you!13:25
jon_yPali: can uboot be made to turn on the backlight explicitly if keyboard is out?13:26
jon_yit turns on sometimes, but only from cold start13:27
Palijon_y, somebody must write code for backlight first13:27
jon_yok, I see that its not in yet13:27
Palinow I added only code for turning led off13:28
jon_yi2c pins to get it to turn on?13:28
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Palibut backlight is not simple and I do not have time for it13:28
Palifor backlight is used SPI13:28
Palinot i2c13:28
jon_yspecial super secret proprietary spi command?13:29
jon_yis the byte sequence already known?13:30
kerioPali: i do13:31
Palijon_y, there is open source kernel driver13:32
Paliso need to port kernel drive to uboot13:32
Palikernel driver is ack<something>13:32
kerioPali: unpacking the fiasco only gave me a zImage13:32
Palikerio, and what is problem?13:33
keriothe zImage is for uboot+omap13:33
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kerioPali: do you have a non-combined uboot 2012.10-rc3?13:40
kerioi mean, a build of that13:40
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kerioPali: btw, how do i enable the framebuffer to get messages during boot?14:15
zsoltfaced to another problem.looks like d+ and d- need to short in the phone's cable,but if i do that,can't use peripherals14:17
zsoltin the thread i read that d+ and d- need to be short in the charger14:18
zsoltkerio: you have to compile your own kernel with framebuffer support14:19
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infobotDocScrutinizer: infobot joined!14:52
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DocScrutinizer05zsolt: D+- short missing15:03
keriozsolt: i expect kernel-power to already support everything15:04
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kerioPali: srsly though, help me :c15:17
kerioi can't reboot my n900 while unattended now15:17
jpinxneeds a chaperone ? ;)15:18
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keriojpinx: well, yes15:23
keriosomebody to open the kbd slider and choose a couple of menu entries15:23
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kerioi wonder if uboot would even fit, with kernel-power15:25
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kerio(i'm so funny)15:36
heyawhy ?15:36
keriobecause it's your nickname but also kind of a greeting15:36
heyayeah, i'm like15:37
heyai must go15:39
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kerio...that was weird15:47
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kerioah fuck, i screwed up something D:15:53
infoboti heard maemo-flashing is
infoboti guess pali is
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keriooh dear, i appear to have fucked something up16:18
keriowhere's the data in osso-product-info stored?16:19
merlin1991phew no idea, but ie the mp-fremnalte-*-pr changes the data in postinst16:21
merlin1991which dataset is broken?16:21
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* merlin1991 just noticed hat on all 3 devices stock, cssu-stable and cssu-testing osso-product-info has 4 "unknown" entries16:23
keriomerlin1991: release name, full name, version, ossoversion16:24
keriothose are unknown16:24
merlin1991yep, I've got the same, even on a completely clean maemo install16:25
keriowhat the hell16:25
keriothat's not normal, is it16:26
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kerioi thought there was something wrong with my CAL, and so i tried to nandwrite my backup16:26
keriobut apparently it doesn't fit16:26
kerioand writing with oob causes a segfault16:26
kerioit appears to be booting, at least16:27
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merlin1991err how is that possibly palis fault? :D16:27
kerioi toyed around with uboot today16:27
kerioso it must be his fault!16:28
kerioDocScrutinizer05: do you mind pastebinning the output of osso-product-info on t900?16:28
kerioi appear to not have that information anymore16:29
DocScrutinizer05sigh, friggin pastebin sites changing their API all the time, so my scripts for direct pastebin from cmdline always break16:30
Palikerio, if you flash some kernel without version, softupd will remove osso-product-info from CAL16:30
kerioPali: i see16:30
keriobut i just flashed kp5216:30
keriowith kernel-power-flasher16:30
Palikerio, here is fix:
Paliand then reboot phone16:31
DocScrutinizer05here you are:
kerioPali, DocScrutinizer05: ty16:32
kerioPali: btw, i removed uboot16:32
keriomostly because i don't need it16:32
Palikerio, you need only OSSO_VERSION16:32
keriobut it did work fine, as long as i didn't touch the stuff in MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d >:)16:32
DocScrutinizer05OSSO_PRODUCT_WLAN_CHANNEL='fcc/us'  pissing me16:32
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, nandwrite on CAL didn't work at all16:33
Palikerio, u-boot-update-bootmenu will regenerate MyDocs/bootmenu.img.d16:33
kerioPali: anyway, why MyDocs and not /home/boot* ?16:33
Palibecause first fat32 partition16:34
keriothere's no ext support in uboot? :(16:34
Paliand it is mounted by maem to MyDocs16:34
Paliyes, there is ext216:34
Paliand now finaly there is also ext416:34
Palibut back in april there was no ext416:34
DocScrutinizer05kerio: gathered as much, when I tried to create an image with nanddump that's identical to either dd or cat or mtd_debug16:35
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nanddump -o -b could work, i think16:36
DocScrutinizer05kerio: anyway nota bene you probably need to erase NAND prior to flashing new content16:36
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nah, nandwrite does that16:36
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: (-o -b) exactly my thoughts, and you say it failed for you?16:37
kerioDocScrutinizer05: with -o -b it worked fine16:38
DocScrutinizer05[2012-10-14 15:33:23] <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: btw, nandwrite on CAL didn't work at all16:38
keriowith my old dump16:38
keriowhich is apparently useless16:38
keriobecause i can't write it, not even with the option to account for the oob data16:39
DocScrutinizer05you'd like me to provide a -o-b image of my CAL?16:39
kerionah, i have one16:39
kerioand besides, your n900 is german :s16:39
DocScrutinizer05I got others as well16:40
keriodo you have a british 2104 n900?16:40
DocScrutinizer05my daily phone16:40
keriohw rev?16:40
DocScrutinizer05Revision        : 210116:41
kerioaww :(16:41
DocScrutinizer05I'd bet you could try to hexedit the hwrev string in raw nand inage16:41
keriothat's not the point! they're different hw revs!16:42
DocScrutinizer05how's that mattering for CAL?16:42
DocScrutinizer05CAL *defines* the hwrev16:42
kerioyou know what else defines the hwrev? the hw's rev16:43
DocScrutinizer05so WHAT?16:43
kerioperhaps some critical calibration parameters differ from rev to rev16:43
kerioi'd really like to know *what* is stored in CAL16:43
DocScrutinizer05either you got a phy hw of 2101 then my CAL is OK, or you got hwrev XYZA then you edit CAL image to meet that fact16:43
DocScrutinizer05no calib will differ16:44
DocScrutinizer05at least not to my knowledge16:44
DocScrutinizer05IF it doesn't work, you're free to flash back to what's in your CAL *now*  ;-P16:45
keriobut what if your CAL fucks up my n900 D:16:45
* kerio might be slightly trolling at this point16:45
DocScrutinizer05one thing's for sure: with wrong hwrev standard flashing will cease to work, since hwrev mainly seems to specify NAND bank geometry16:45
kerioyeah but that's the reason flasher-3.5 has a way to specify the hw rev, isn't it16:46
DocScrutinizer05you might overcome that problem by explicitly overriding CAL hwrev via flasher-35 parameter16:46
DocScrutinizer05yes :-)16:46
keriodid sambo7 ever report back after flashing your cal?16:46
DocScrutinizer05the nandtester? never heard of him again16:47
kerioalso, stuff like the IMEI isn't stored there, right?16:47
kerioit's stored in rapuyama's internal CAL16:47
DocScrutinizer05IMEI isn't in CAL afaict16:48
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# strings /dev/mtd1|grep -i IMEI ->null16:49
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: so how about clearly satting what you did to reflash CAL, and what's been your results16:55
DocScrutinizer05I'd like to verify the procedure, and then start a project to host CAL images for those who nandtested16:58
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nanddump -o -f calbackup /dev/mtd1ro17:05
kerioto write, nandwrite /dev/mtd1ro calbackup17:05
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kerioto check, idk, maybe just nanddump without "-o" before and after17:05
keriobut i don't think they're required to be equal17:06
keriothe result of nanddump -o, nandwrite, nanddump -o is the same for both nanddumps17:06
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kerioor, at least, they generate a md5 hash collision >:D17:06
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: "-b" in nanddump skips bad blocks, but i don't know if it's a good or a bad thing17:22
kerioDocScrutinizer05: to be fair we'd need something specialized for CAL, that stores the data in a more generic format17:25
kerioflash memory sucks17:25
Palikerio, storing to FS (maybe ubifs on nand?)17:27
kerioPali: no, i mean, something to store the data in cal and to recreate it17:28
kerioi assume libcal has a way to deal with bad blocks17:28
PaliCAL is linked list17:29
Palifreemangordon, now working on RE libcal17:29
keriolinked lists also suck :c17:30
keriodoes it do garbage collection?17:30
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Palikerio, I thini it doing some wear leveling17:35
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DocScrutinizer05I think it just uses up all available space, then may or may not compress stuff to recycle obsolete aka delet-marked entries17:41
DocScrutinizer05I'm not even convinced it's a linke dlist, it *might* be a simple array with later entries overriding earlier ones17:42
DocScrutinizer05given the usage pattern and purpose, it might never fill up during lifetime of a N90017:43
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: anyway why do you think a nanddump image isn't appropriate for CAL?17:46
kerioDocScrutinizer05: because of bad blocks17:47
DocScrutinizer05nanddump won't store any bad blocks to a -b file17:47
kerioyeah but you're assuming you don't get any *new* bad blocks between the dump and the write17:47
DocScrutinizer05nanddump -b skips bad blocks in output data, nandwrite handles bad blocks on write17:48
DocScrutinizer05if your NAND you try to write to has more bad blocks than the one you pulled your image from, the image won't fit completely into the 'new' NAND. I'd assume nandwrite noticing that at end of write and throws a warning17:50
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DocScrutinizer05I actually fail to see the usecase for a nanddump without -b, since you can't write back such an image to any NAND if it actually contains bad blocks17:53
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah but does the read happen in the same way?17:53
DocScrutinizer05sure, nanddump -o -b should create an image with any bad blocks skipped/omitted17:55
DocScrutinizer05my guess would be: nanddump -o -b /dev/mtd1 | nandwrite -m17:58
DocScrutinizer05<kerio> to write, nandwrite /dev/mtd1ro calbackup18:00
DocScrutinizer05seriously? /dev/mtd1ro ??18:00
* DocScrutinizer05 always thought ro means ReadOnly18:00
Skryit does18:02
DocScrutinizer05kerio: to verify, you should do a mtd_debug erase <device> <offset> <len>  between nanddump and nandwrite, to rule out your images don't differ just because your write failed completely18:03
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DocScrutinizer05((<kerio> the result of nanddump -o, nandwrite, nanddump -o is the same for both nanddumps)) no surprise when writing to mtd1ro18:04
DocScrutinizer05what concerns me most is the difference between `cat mtd1ro` and `nanddump -b mtd1ro`18:06
DocScrutinizer05or even `nanddump mtd1ro`18:07
DocScrutinizer05(I got no bad blocks, according to nanddump, so -b shouldn't make any difference for me, but I tested both variants and neither is what I get from cat, or dd)18:08
kerioDocScrutinizer05: er, wtf, i meant /dev/mtd118:10
DocScrutinizer05I'm reluctant to try nandwrite (on CAL) unless I figured what's the deal with this difference. I might test on mtd4 though18:10
keriowriting to mtd1ro causes errors :)18:11
DocScrutinizer05thought as much18:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nanddump /dev/mtd1ro and nanddump -b /dev/mtd1ro have the same output for me18:12
DocScrutinizer05then I get it your nandump also says "0 bad blocks"18:13
kerioECC failed/corrected, bad blocks, bbt blocks all 018:13
DocScrutinizer05so, when kicking out OOB and badblocks from nanddump image, WTF it differs from a dd image of same mtd?18:14
kerioyou mean when adding OOB and badblocks18:14
keriowell, idk18:14
DocScrutinizer05err yep18:15
keriobut i think that the contents of /dev/mtd1 aren't supposed to be meaningful to a straight read18:15
DocScrutinizer05who cares18:15
DocScrutinizer05dd won't care if the content is meaningful18:15
DocScrutinizer05cat as well isn't supposed to change data18:16
kerioso evidently nanddump is changing the data18:16
DocScrutinizer05and I wanna know how and why18:17
kerioi don't know enough about mtd to know that :(18:17
DocScrutinizer05before I dare to mess with my CAL content18:17
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DocScrutinizer05luckily we got a partiton reserved for R&D ;-)18:18
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# cat /dev/mtd4|od18:20
DocScrutinizer050000000 177777 177777 177777 177777 177777 177777 177777 17777718:20
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: >:C18:21
keriood /dev/mtd418:21
keriostop abusing cats!18:21
DocScrutinizer05nanddump /dev/mtd4|od 2>/dev/null  WTF?18:21
DocScrutinizer050000000 177777 177777 177777 177777 177777 177777 177777 17777718:22
kerioit's got a bit more, yes18:22
kerioremove the oob, and you have mtd418:22
DocScrutinizer05toldya, OOB is probably not read via cat mtd*18:23
DocScrutinizer05like inodes aren't read for cat sdXN18:23
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DocScrutinizer05afaik it's OutOfBand info, which got that name for a reason18:24
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kerio1755dcebeeb04e075cbd6c6690ed490a  -18:24
kerio1755dcebeeb04e075cbd6c6690ed490a  /dev/mtd1ro18:24
keriothe first is the output of nanddump -o /dev/mtd1ro18:24
kerioso there's that18:25
keriowhy doesn't that happen on your n900(s)?18:26
DocScrutinizer05dunno, might be a tribute to late night work18:26
DocScrutinizer05(did those tests yesterday)18:26
keriosudo nanddump -o /dev/mtd1ro | sudo md5sum - /dev/mtd1ro18:26
keriolet's just hope libcal doesn't use OOB data :>18:27
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you nifty animal, what a nice cmdline ;-)18:27
DocScrutinizer05OOB data is used by mtd driver18:28
DocScrutinizer05it's kinda like NANDs FAT18:28
DocScrutinizer05or free blocks table18:29
DocScrutinizer05libcal for sure won't mess with it, for all I know18:29
DocScrutinizer05kerio: now only make sure you never forget to add -b to nanddump, even while for now it seems to make no difference for you18:30
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: now you could write your freshly created nanddump image to mtd4, then compare mtd1 and mtd4 ;-)18:31
keriodoes it fit?18:31
DocScrutinizer05better make a image of mtd4 before18:31
keriomtd4 is empty18:31
DocScrutinizer05I think there's plenty of room on mtd4 for CAL18:32
DocScrutinizer05(empty) I know18:32
DocScrutinizer05so worst case you could flash my empty-mtd4 image to yours if you don't find a better way to erase it18:32
kerioDocScrutinizer05: hmm, it's obviously different18:33
keriook, nanddump -l 393216 -ob /dev/mtd4ro gives me the same thing18:33
DocScrutinizer05kerio: you did md5sum over full devices?18:33
DocScrutinizer05they for sure differ, since iirc mtd4 is way larger18:34
kerioDocScrutinizer05: yeah, limiting the length makes it the same18:34
DocScrutinizer05yeah :-D18:34
kerioand now mtd4 is all weird :(18:35
keriook, flash_eraseall did the job18:35
kerioapparently flash_erase requires start and end18:35
DocScrutinizer05according to their --help18:36
DocScrutinizer05we should push robbiethe1st to finally add kernel and CAL backup and restore to BM ;-)18:38
DocScrutinizer05since I don't feel too comfortable with formating CAL under the arse of libcal18:38
kerioDocScrutinizer05: am i a bad enough dude to erase cal and flash it again?18:39
keriooh right18:39
keriook, something different then18:39
kerioam i a bad enough dude to dump the kernel partition, erase it, and write it again from the dumped data?18:39
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'd say you're as BAD as it gets. Michael Jackson was a sissi compared to you. So go ahead, nuke CAL and reflash it18:40
kerioDocScrutinizer05: btw, where's x-loader stored?18:40
DocScrutinizer05or rather, first try with kernel ;-)18:40
DocScrutinizer05in kernel partition18:40
DocScrutinizer05errr NOLO18:40
keriooh, "bootloader" contains both?18:41
kerioby the way, /dev/mtd2 is empty too18:41
DocScrutinizer05basdically NOLO is appended to xloader like kernel is to uBoot18:41
DocScrutinizer05not here ;-D18:41
DocScrutinizer05if yours is empty, then you're a lucky man18:42
kerioi think i never had a proper kernel panic18:42
DocScrutinizer05or you found another miracle of flasher-3.518:42
DocScrutinizer05cat /dev/kmem18:42
kerioDocScrutinizer05: fu18:43
DocScrutinizer05the check again18:43
keriook, kernel dumped, erased, written18:43
DocScrutinizer05checked success of erasure?18:44
DocScrutinizer05cool man18:44
DocScrutinizer05btw, how's about council, dear Mr. kerio?18:44
kerioi'm a busy man18:45
DocScrutinizer05yeah, same here18:45
keriohm, i wonder if that's the reason we're both always here18:46
DocScrutinizer05no, reason and cause switched ;-)18:46
keriook, i'll rephrase18:46
DocScrutinizer05we're always here, that's why we're so busy18:46
keriotechnically i should be a busy man18:46
keriobooted just fine18:47
DocScrutinizer05first instance of kernel flashed without any proprietary Nokia crap tools18:48
DocScrutinizer05TAAADAAAAA dshhhh18:48
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kerionow, i wonder *what* i flashed18:49
DocScrutinizer05even a heart surgery on the living body18:49
DocScrutinizer05why, is your N900 10 times as fast now? ;-P18:49
keriono, i mean18:50
kerioi wonder if it bears any resemblance to the bzImage18:50
DocScrutinizer05err, good question18:50
DocScrutinizer05prolly not to bzImage18:50
DocScrutinizer05but you better ask that to Pali18:51
DocScrutinizer05he seems to know that bz shit18:51
kerioPali: wtf did i flash18:51
DocScrutinizer05headers and all18:51
kerioPali: what should the output of "nanddump -ob /dev/mtd3" be?18:52
kerioa bzimage with some trailing crap?18:52
DocScrutinizer05Pali: a `cat dev/mtd3 >xxx`18:52
Palispecial nolo header + zImage18:52
DocScrutinizer05would that result in xxx having any similarity to a bzImage or any other kernel representation?18:52
kerioaww :(18:52
PaliDocScrutinizer05, some header (2kb maybe) and after that is zImage18:53
DocScrutinizer05thought as much18:53
Palior other image (u-boot, ...)18:53
PaliDocScrutinizer05, old 0xFFFF has support for reverse flash = backup18:53
DocScrutinizer05you (as uBoot maintainer) even should know the length of that header18:53
Paliwhen I have time, I will add it back to new 0xFFFF18:53
DocScrutinizer05Pali: we were after a more generic aproach, fit for arbitrary mtd partitions18:54
kerioPali: why do we need a specialized flasher again?18:54
keriowhy can't we just prepare the image and then nandwrite?18:54
DocScrutinizer05kerio: because of friggin NOLO18:55
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kerio*prepare the image*18:55
DocScrutinizer05how would you tell NOLO to nandwrite?18:55
Palikerio, problem is that for unknown reason size of header in qemu n900 is not same as size of header on real n900...18:55
kerioDocScrutinizer05: i meant the on-device flashing18:56
keriowith the silly softupd+flasher18:56
Palikerio, you can start patching 0xFFFF for nandump/nandflash support18:56
DocScrutinizer05well, I for one am happy with a proper CAL and kernel backup on device in vicinity18:56
Paliwe need to RE that dtupid header18:56
kerioPali: 0xFFFF basically boils down to preparing a certain image and then writing it to the NAND, doesn't it18:57
DocScrutinizer05no, NOLO writes18:57
PaliNOLO or softupd write to nand18:57
PaliNOLO using NOLO protocol and softupd using MkII protocol18:57
DocScrutinizer05flasher-35 talks to NOLO with some weird (zmodem?) protocol18:57
keriooh, 0xFFFF is on a computer's side18:57
kerioi see18:58
Palikerio, also on device side18:58
Palifor backup18:58
kerioPali: what does it do on the device side?18:58
Palinow nothing18:58
Palibut old version had support for backup18:58
Paliand call to nandflash18:58
keriooh well, i managed to successfully dump, erase and write the kernel partition18:58
Palimaybe there was partial RE of that header for 770/N8x0 devices18:59
keriowith only mtdtools18:59
DocScrutinizer05not only kernel, even CAL! :-)18:59
Paliproblem was that 0xFFFF had old source code of mtd tools included18:59
Paliso I removed old code18:59
Paliand new implementation should use direcl nanddump/nandsomething external applications...19:00
DocScrutinizer05the unix way19:00
DocScrutinizer05kudos, Pali19:00
kerioi still don't know if nanddump should skip bad blocks or not19:00
DocScrutinizer05it should19:00
kerioare they skipped when reading?19:00
Palisomebody who want to implement it?19:00
Paliinto 0xFFFF?19:01
DocScrutinizer05since nandwrite can't write bad blocks, neither skip them in input19:01
PaliI really do not have time for 0xFFFF now....19:01
Palinow loading & booting kernel image working19:01
Paliflashing was implemented but not tested19:01
Paliand there is missing support for MkII protocol19:01
Paliused for eMMC flashing19:01
Paliand flashing N95019:01
PaliDocScrutinizer05, are you going to implement kernel & CAL backup to 0xFFFF?19:02
kerioDocScrutinizer05: sheevaplug > n90019:02
kerioyou can just nandwrite to the kernel mtd partition there19:03
DocScrutinizer05Pali: hardly, though it might be fun19:03
DocScrutinizer05probably not enough time19:03
DocScrutinizer05I *might* pimp BM though19:04
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DocScrutinizer05gotta get to see some few hours of RL on this weekend19:05
kerioPali: does your uboot also read some configuration file on the uSD?19:08
Palikerio, no19:08
Palibut there is SD support19:09
kerioso you can configure uboot from the terminal...19:09
Paliso you can load & run script/kernel from SD card19:09
kerioi see19:09
kerioi suppose i *should* keep uboot installed, just so i can recover in an emergency19:09
DocScrutinizer05cool, somebody edited Community_SSU wiki page, with an actually useful small addition19:10
Palikerio, you can boot resuceos from uboot19:10
kerioan emergency that makes me lose the uUSB port19:10
DocScrutinizer05you should edit uBoot-script on eMMC/MyDocs to offer the menu entry for jumping to uSD and boot the kernel and rootfs from there19:11
kerioDocScrutinizer05: you can configure uboot from the device19:12
kerioit's got a console19:12
gena2xseem my n900 reboots in loop. can anyone help? What i tried: boot Mer from sd (fails to boot kernel), reflash (fails to flash, only boots my pali bootloader)...19:12
DocScrutinizer05you however shoud try to do that without messing with files in /etc/bootmenu.d/19:12
keriogena2x: "reflash" what?19:13
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I know genuine uBoot, I know it has a console. I also recall it sucks donkeyballs19:13
gena2xkerio, emmc and combined image19:13
keriono you didn't19:13
keriootherwise you would've also flashed the kernel19:13
gena2xmaemo kernel seem boot, but then device restarts19:14
DocScrutinizer05OOPS capslock19:14
gena2xDocScrutinizer05, hi my evil doc, i followed all instructions of course19:14
DocScrutinizer05did you do the test for empty battery?19:14
gena2xi bought new one...19:15
DocScrutinizer05but did you do the test?19:15
gena2xfor new battery???19:15
keriogena2x: if you're still getting uboot, then you botched the flash19:15
DocScrutinizer05so, pretty please: 1. do battery test19:16
gena2xkerio, what i have is a: pali u-boot (work), it can boot kernel (reboots)19:16
DocScrutinizer05hold 'u', plug in wallcharger19:16
gena2xkerio, pali boot also 'try' to boot mer (which worked a week ago!), it loads the kernel, but kernel can't start19:16
DocScrutinizer05hmm, how could we help?19:17
gena2xDocScrutinizer05, sorry, i think battery test can't help in this situation...19:17
Palifull reflash19:17
DocScrutinizer05you got exactly two options: set no_wd-timer flag, or reflash straight away19:18
keriogena2x: correctly flashing VANILLA and COMBINED will give you a n900 at near-factory-conditions19:18
Palicombined, emmc, combined19:18
DocScrutinizer05gena2x: ok, if you're already knowing ehat can help, why do you ask here?19:18
Snafu777anyone get reaver working on the n900?19:18
Snafu777without uninstalling kismet19:18
kerioright, combined, vanilla, combined19:18
gena2xDocScrutinizer05, welcome back to my ignore list19:18
kerioSnafu777: why would kismet cause problems to reaver?19:19
Snafu777want to see the output?19:19
kerio(make sure you have the injection drivers with monitor mode enabled)19:19
DocScrutinizer05welcome back to BOFH chan moderating. I won't tolerate asking questions and ignoring perfectly fine answers19:19
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gena2xyou btw is the only person in my ignore list for all time i am using irc19:19
kerioLART! LART! LART! LART!19:19
gena2xand forums and internet19:19
Snafu777The following packages have unmet dependencies:19:19
Snafu777  libpcap-dev: Depends: libpcap1 (= 1.0.0-1) but it is not going to be installed19:19
Snafu777E: Broken packages19:19
Snafu777Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install libpcap119:20
gena2xsorry people, just some old stuff19:20
Snafu777The following packages will be REMOVED:19:20
Snafu777  iftop kismet libpcap0.819:20
Snafu777The following NEW packages will be installed:19:20
Snafu777  libpcap119:20
Paliwhy you have -dev package installed?19:20
Snafu777cuz u need it19:20
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keriono you don't19:20
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: stop that shit!19:20
Snafu777eh Doc?19:20
Palido you compiling something on n900?19:20
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Snafu777trying to run configure for reaver19:20
Snafu777and from what i understand i need libpcap to configure it19:21
kerioSnafu777: do you even have a compiler on your n900?19:21
gena2xPali: i can't flash anything19:21
* Snafu777 bangs his head...19:21
kerioSnafu777: just grab the prebuilt reaver package19:21
Snafu777is it in the repos?19:21
PaliSnafu777, compile it in scratchbox19:21
kerioSnafu777: also, don't paste more than a couple lines, use a pastebin19:21
Palinot on n90019:21
Snafu777im an idiot19:21
Snafu777apt-get install reaver19:21
* Snafu777 bangs his head hard19:21
kerioSnafu777: it's in extras-devel19:21
Snafu777it sure is19:21
Snafu777i just always try source first =>19:22
gena2xPali, oh, i got it, combined-emmc-combined19:22
gena2xPali, i followed instructions on nokia site told me to flash emmc first...19:22
DocScrutinizer05Pali: could you tell gena2x this is written on ~flashing in all verbosity that makes you wheep19:22
gena2xPali, combined first really work, thanks19:22
keriogena2x: it's explained multiple times in ~flashing, btw19:24
infobothmm... maemo-flashing is
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gena2xreally sorry guys, just that man once told me that i stole his code... after 2 hour of talk it turned out that 'i am other person', and etc, etc, for some reason he just hates me, i don't know why, this is not my general attitude to people, but i just can't stand him anymore.19:25
DocScrutinizer05sure, he followed every single detail on that page, and when I give reasonable advice he tells me he knows better what can help and what won't, and I make it on his ignore that way19:25
DocScrutinizer05gena2x: nobody is interested in your lame personal problems19:26
DocScrutinizer05at least not here in this chan19:27
DocScrutinizer05take it to the chan where it happened19:27
DocScrutinizer05you came here for help, you rejected perfectly sane help19:28
DocScrutinizer05don't try to find lame excuses for that nasty behaviour19:28
Lava_Croftyeah, thats only allowed for people who have gained enough social standing19:29
DocScrutinizer05rejecting help on a "I know nuttin that's why I came here, but I know THIS won't help" basis. No sir, nobody is allowed such attitude19:30
Lava_Crofti guess you just disqualified yourself by disallowing someone to have a certain attitude19:31
Lava_CroftGood night!19:31
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DocScrutinizer05I guess you were a tad picky on my words. everybody can have attitude whatever he wants, attitudes are like assholes, everybody has one. But *exposing* such attitude in this chan isn't tolerated19:32
Snafu777You guys are angry19:33
DocScrutinizer05since it is leaching time of otherwise way more productive people, to explain solutions to the guy who loves to plain reject them, based on arrogance19:33
Snafu777You all need to chill19:33
* kerio grabs some popcorn19:33
Lava_CroftI just dont understand why apologies are so hard to accept :)19:33
Snafu777Just find something and exploit it19:33
Snafu777Write some code19:34
Snafu777and force a change for good19:34
kerio*munch munch*19:34
Lava_CroftAnd why it's almost exclusively the same person over and over who is the source of a certain kind of vitriol19:34
Lava_CroftBut I guess I'm not the first wondering, nor the last19:34
Lava_CroftBut, I am stretching my luck here, good night! :) (no hard feelings whatsoever!)19:35
Snafu777U know what is fun?19:35
Snafu777Sitting in the subway drive through19:35
Snafu777Running aircrack with my n90019:35
Snafu777breaking the wep19:35
Snafu777and syn flooding the router, causing the credit card machine not to work19:35
NIN101that's lame.19:35
Snafu777proving that the owner is in violation of pcidss rules19:35
kerioyou know what else is fun?19:35
kerioadmitting to felonies on the internet19:36
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: lol19:36
Snafu777Its a blast19:36
Snafu777Considering its my words19:36
Snafu777with no proof -=)19:36
Snafu777But is it a crime?19:36
Snafu777Or is it a forray into ethics19:36
Snafu777Good discussion19:36
Snafu777if u ask me19:36
DocScrutinizer05Snafu777: if your lines would consist of more than avrg 2.3 words, it was way easier to read what you say19:37
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Snafu777Man, yer an angry dude Doc19:38
DocScrutinizer05i'm not angry - I give advice with a smile19:38
Snafu777I type how i think man, sry if that bothers ya19:38
DocScrutinizer05it bothers all those with small screen19:39
Snafu777get a bigger screen or use bigger font......? =-)19:39
DocScrutinizer05since your text scrolls off on top before anybody made to read all those jumping lines19:39
Snafu777I call it Physical Training for the Eyes19:39
DocScrutinizer05not everybody has a IRC reader wirh softscroll19:40
DocScrutinizer05we're not in here for physical eye training19:40
Snafu777Im helping you to become stronger19:40
Lava_Croftok, not entirely good night yet!19:40
NIN101trolls here, trolls there.19:40
Snafu777Anyone want a copy of HydraFy or Ferret for the N900?19:40
Lava_CroftInstead of discuss important matters, we can all just watch someone jump from the edge of space19:42
Lava_Croftif gootube doesnt break down19:42
Snafu777whens he jumping?19:42
Lava_Croftvery soon19:42
Lava_CroftThe stream is rather flaky19:43
DocScrutinizer05is it a plane? is it a meteor? NOOOO it's Superma.... err what's the name of this guy?19:43
Lava_CroftFelix Baumgartner i think19:43
DocScrutinizer05mach 1.5 or sth19:43
Lava_Crofti just wanna see him go through the sound barrier19:43
gena2xanyway, thanks much to all combined-emmc-combined way seems helped. It booted!19:43
Lava_Croftif i can see that on live video today, ill be just fine19:43
Lava_Croftgena2x: \o/19:43
Snafu777thanks for the reminder19:44
Snafu777History here...19:44
Lava_CroftI'm watching this for the same reason I watch other ridiculous 'sports'19:44
gena2xand i've found nothing like that on wiki, wiki only tell that you need to flash emmc then combined19:44
Lava_Croftlike Formula119:44
Lava_Crofti just hope something goes horribly wrong19:44
Lava_Croftgena2x: yes, the solution to problems caused by wrong flashing order are hard to find19:45
DocScrutinizer05  >> Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.<< (Author: guess-who)19:45
Lava_Croftthat didnt work for me iirc19:45
Lava_Crofti had to first flash older PR19:45
Lava_Croftand then newer PR, before it booted19:45
keriogena2x: "Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*. "19:46
Lava_Croftor just kernel from older PR, i dont recall correctly19:46
Lava_Croftits been a while19:46
gena2xkerio, whoops, than my bad, i skipped 'rationale'...19:47
gena2xFull citation: "Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to work as long as your rootfs still is somewhat functional. Note however that eMMC flashing will fail when your rootfs is completely messed up, the recommended flash sequence then is rootfs, eMMC, rootfs *again*.19:48
gena2x "19:48
gena2xdidn't expect instructions in rationale...19:48
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: iirc, doing the rootsfs -> emmc --> rootfs again thing just kept hanging at a certain percentage while flashing19:48
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: rootfs flashing is used as synonum for "flash COMBINED FIASCO image with rootfs, kernel, all that sh*t" in all that page. I don't think I ever heard it will fail unless you flash a former version first19:48
Lava_Croft(in my case)19:48
Lava_Croftyes, thats what i mean with rootfs too19:49
Lava_Crofti use it to name the .bin that not the emmc .bin :P19:49
DocScrutinizer05then your experience is really a special case19:49
Lava_Croftthe thing is, im almost 100% certain it was the same problem for which i sent another n900 back to nokia care19:50
Lava_Croftbut meh, i will never know19:50
kerioDocScrutinizer05: heh, i just realized that if my microsd breaks i'm hosed19:50
DocScrutinizer05well, those hangs on halfway are a rather ininvestigated mystery with flashing19:50
keriowell, i'd have to reflash19:50
Lava_CroftDocScrutinizer05: i had to flash an old PR, or part of it, for the newer PR to get flashed properly19:51
Lava_Croftthat i know for certain, i really should have remembered the details19:51
Lava_Croftnow i feel sad about not knowing it exactly anymore19:51
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Lava_CroftBaumgartner better fail hard, so i can cheer up19:51
DocScrutinizer05realy strange, there's hardly any good explanation why this happens19:51
Lava_Croftim not an engineer, screw explanations:)19:52
DocScrutinizer05Lava_Croft: don't worry, we'll find out about that bugger too, eventually19:52
DocScrutinizer05once we got a proper full-featured replacement for friggin flasher-3.5, and maybe even some insight into NOLO, we might actually succeed in debugging such cases19:53
DocScrutinizer05until then, we're happy you recovered on the second time it hit you, and we hope the experience will add to our toolbox19:55
DocScrutinizer05it's a really rare case anyway19:55
Lava_Croftwho hit the PR button?19:55
Lava_CroftIm fairly sure i didnt touch anything19:55
Lava_CroftUnless you are Nokia, there's not reason to use such language19:56
DocScrutinizer05well, sorry then19:56
Lava_CroftThis feels like the Twilight Zone right now19:56
DocScrutinizer05I'm really not in the mood to argue for argument's sake19:56
Lava_CroftI'll head out!19:56
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keriotrolls trolling trolls19:57
DocScrutinizer05kerio: yeah, and *me* is the angry man then, esp when I feel like it's maybe time to hit the eject button19:59
keriodon't be upset20:00
keriohave a puppy:
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DocScrutinizer05nah, just bored20:00
Lava_CroftMaybe I need to add some "this is not intended very seriously" sign or something20:00
gena2xahh, have to reinstall everything.20:00
Lava_CroftI was merely amazed at how you suddenly started to talk like the guy who provided me with/produced my n90020:00
Lava_CroftI was not trying to sound angry :<20:00
kerioLava_Croft: well, #maemo *is* the current n900 helpdesk, pretty much20:01
keriothis reminds me20:01
keriodeepy: did you fix the kbd slider?20:01
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DocScrutinizer05lost his magnet?20:04
keriosomething like that, yes20:05
kerioit's easily fixable, right?20:05
DocScrutinizer05get a tiny magnet, and some good glue20:05
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DocScrutinizer05though, when device thinks slide is _open_ all the time, odds are original magnet sticks to hall-switch and you only need some glue to fix it in postion where it belongs20:07
* gena2x starts doing backups...20:07
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zsoltwhat can I do?to charge need to short data+ and data - on usb cable,but if I do this can't use any peripheral20:26
keriozsolt: you need to short D+/D- on the charger's side20:30
keriobut that's it20:30
kerioaren't you using one of those Y cables?20:30
zsoltyes I do20:30
keriothe "power" side doesn't even have D+/D- i think20:30
zsoltfigured out,that if short d+ and d- on the power side n900 wont recognize it20:32
zsoltso i have to short it on the cable that goes to phone directly20:32
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zsolt built my own set by this article's shematic20:33
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: by the way, when toying with uboot today, i eventually had to flash a real kernel from my computer20:36
kerioand when i booted it, i got the datepicker screen20:36
kerioi never removed the battery20:37
kerioand besides, my bupbat still holds, i think20:37
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DocScrutinizer05zsolt: that Y-cable is for powering N900 during hostmode. It's definitely _not_ the right solution for general charging purposes, using bme (nevermind if you dunno what's bme) and fastcharger/carcharger20:40
DocScrutinizer05kerio: NOLO might reset the RTC chip20:40
DocScrutinizer05on flashing kernel20:40
DocScrutinizer05who knows20:40
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zsoltwhat i try to do is charging my phone at the sime time as use peripherals20:42
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DocScrutinizer05kerio: look, RTC just has a flag register telling system whether it's all ok, or flawed by bupbat/power_dropout, or other general borkage20:42
DocScrutinizer05zsolt: so h-e-n with charging20:42
DocScrutinizer05for h-e-n USB-hostmode with charging you need to use our charger script (sth like e.g. ShadowJK's and that script shouldn't care about D+/- short, it even mustn't try to detect D+/- short since that breaks real USB data connection20:44
ShadowJKit does try do that20:45
ShadowJKbut it's a cat you could comment out20:45
GGongoddamn raspberry pi20:46
DocScrutinizer05or rather, check if musb-hdrc is in hostmode, then skip the D+- check20:46
* DocScrutinizer05 smells charge22.sh20:47
ShadowJKThe reason it does it is that when connected to real wallcharger it reduces power consumption by 80mA :-)20:48
DocScrutinizer05I might feel like patching that scriptie into, taking cmdline parameters like cur-max, no-softstart, no-dlineshort-check20:49
DocScrutinizer05yeah, the 80mA eaten by musb-hdrc not suspended20:50
DocScrutinizer05and ULPI likewise20:50
ShadowJKcharge3* is my secret experimental branch :)20:50
DocScrutinizer05mhm, so I should name it charge42 then ;-D20:50
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kerio42 is clearly better than any other number20:56
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zsoltthank you21:00
keriozsolt: if you like hot new things, install kp52 and use bq2415x_charger21:01
kerioinstead of running scripts, you just "echo auto > /sys/class/something/mode"21:02
DocScrutinizer05zsolt: if you like it convenient you might want to wait a bit longer before you dive into that adventure21:02
DocScrutinizer05kerio: just that "not running scripts" for now also means "no proper feedback about what's going on"21:03
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DocScrutinizer05and the USB speed autodetect is far from being reliable yet21:04
keriobtw, what's the procedure to connect something that won't work at all with only 200mA?21:04
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DocScrutinizer05start h-e-n, start boostmode, plug powersupply to Y-cable and 1 second later plug Y-cable to N90021:06
DocScrutinizer05stop boostmode and start charge21.sh21:06
keriooh, so boostmode still has to be on when enumerating21:06
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: stop booston and start charge21.sh21:06
DocScrutinizer05kerio: doesn't really matter21:07
DocScrutinizer05kerio: what matters though is not delaying enum too much21:07
keriowhy's that?21:07
DocScrutinizer05while stopping booston can be done any time21:07
DocScrutinizer05that's because of some peripherals will "time out" on USB crank-up when ENUM is delayed too long after VBUS got applied21:08
DocScrutinizer05while other peripherals need like 30s before they even are ready to start enum21:09
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DocScrutinizer05so the sequence is: select speed, apply VBUS, [label:A] wait 3s, try ENUM, IF (ENUM_failed):A, wait 5s, mount.21:11
DocScrutinizer05only then "waste time" on dealing with charging21:13
kerioi need a tiny usb HUB21:13
DocScrutinizer05pretty good idea21:13
kerioa cheap one that can be powered externally21:14
DocScrutinizer05get a battery pack with not only a (one) USB-F outlet, but actually that outlet being upstream port with power of an embedded hub21:14
DocScrutinizer05get a 3-pos switch on that package: off | fastcharger | hub21:16
keriobut... i don't want a battery pack :(21:16
DocScrutinizer05with fastcharger pos obviously not powering hub electronics but only "upstream" port, and also shorting D+-21:17
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zsoltthank you21:29
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Palikerio, 47 is better random number :D21:38
kerioPali: 42 is everything but random21:38
infobothmm... 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also,_the_universe,_and_everything21:38
kerioPali: anyway, make uboot+kp52 plskthx21:38
Palikerio, I do not have time...21:39
kerioit'll take like 20 seconds!21:39
keriounless your upload speed is *really* bad21:40
kerioi don't have the latest uboot without an attached kernel21:40
Palikerio, I need to look at & test patches from dfries
Paliand also fiasco-image-update-ask must work21:41
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keriofiasco-image-update-ask worksforme21:42
kerioi tried kp52->kp52 (didn't ask), kp52->uboot (asked), uboot->kp52 (asked)21:42
Paliok, thanks for testing!21:42
Palikerio, and I have some problems here:
freemangordonPali: almost ready with cal, any idea how to test it?21:43
Palialso some homeworks to school and ...21:43
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Palifreemangordon, for testing cal is good qemu21:44
Palin900 image in qemu21:44
freemangordonno such animal here21:44
Palipart of madde21:44
kerioPali: hmm, SUMFOUR is weird21:44
kerioPali: 10 seconds is... not a lot21:45
PaliSUMFOUR is solved :-)21:45
Palialso BOTTOM and SUMITR21:45
kerioPali: is it doable in the naïve way?21:45
Palikerio, no :-)21:45
Palibut O(N^2*log(N)) is ok21:46
kerioPali: hmm, sort the lists and do stuff with that, or something21:47
freemangordonPali: could you help me with testing?21:48
keriofreemangordon: you can test it on the device, CAL is restorable! :D21:48
Palifreemangordon, first you dump CAL to pc and test in under nandsim21:48
freemangordonso far I should have cal_read_block ready21:48
kerioremember to dump it with nanddump -ob21:48
Pali$ sudo modprobe nandsim first_id_byte=0x20 second_id_byte=0xaa third_id_byte=0x00 fourth_id_byte=0x15 parts=1,3,2,16,16,201021:49
Palion pc ^^^21:49
freemangordonPali: onlu /dev/mtd1?21:49
Palithis will create nand device (with same n900 partitions) in RAM21:49
freemangordonthe problem is I don't know what to try to read :D21:49
Palicat /dev/mtd1 > dump21:50
freemangordoncomeon, my virtual machine has only 512 :D:D:D21:50
freemangordonhmm, ok21:50
Paliok, look at modinfo nandsim21:50
Palithere should be param for smaller nand21:50
freemangordonPali: that part is easy, more problematic is what am I supposed to read21:51
Palisudo cat /dev/mtd1 > dump21:51
Palicopy dump to pc21:51
freemangordonbut what to read from CAL?21:51
freemangordoncal_read_block needs some parameters, you know :P21:52
Palilook at program calvaria21:52
Paliit can parse CAL data21:52
Paliso you will see what you can read21:52
Paliit can show all sections in CAL21:52
freemangordonare you sure it supports everything in CAL? as comparing opencal with my source, there is lots of stuff not supportd21:53
freemangordonPali: there are 4 sections :D21:53
freemangordonsection1/2, usersection and write-protect section21:53
freemangordonat least that is what I understood from the code21:53
freemangordonso I don;t need calravia to do that21:54
Palicalvaria only parse data, it show everything21:54
Paliwrite protect has other flag21:54
freemangordondo you have binary?21:54
Paliit also show old data21:54
Palionly source code: svn://
freemangordonthis is not binary :D:D:D21:55
freemangordonbut ok21:55
keriowhy does openwrt care about CAL?21:58
kerioi thought it was a nokia-specific thing21:58
DocScrutinizer05obviously not21:58
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DocScrutinizer05or wrt invented it for their N900 port21:58
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keriofreemangordon: 256mb is perfect, you have 256mb of nand and 256mb of usable ram :D21:59
freemangordonWTF? cal.h:4:26: error: mtd/mtd-user.h: No such file or directory22:01
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avtobiffhi! i am trying to figure out how to add a button to the Conversations HildonAppMenu. I have read UI docs and tutorials but still can't figure it out. I am using Pythno22:08
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DocScrutinizer05afaik conversations is using browserd to show some local "html-page" as UI22:15
avtobiffdo you by any chance now where i can find docs about this?22:16
DocScrutinizer05search tmo for any tweaks to conversation22:16
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DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall somebody changed some aspects of the GUI, like left vs right side to show icons, or sth like that22:17
DocScrutinizer05google conversation22:18
DocScrutinizer05maybe try to add some meaningful search keys like "CSS" or dunno what22:18
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befordping ZogG22:27
freemangordonPali: calvaria does nothing :(22:28
freemangordonon /dev/mtd122:28
Paliyes, it mapping file22:29
Paliand you cannot map mtd device22:29
Paliyou need to dump mtd to file22:29
Paliand then run calvaria on it22:29
Palicalvaria is only cal parser22:29
freemangordonwell, and error message would be helpful , who wrote that?22:29
PaliI do not know22:29
infobotfreemangordon meant: well, an error message would be helpful , who wrote that?22:29
Palibut mapping mtd device is possible in upstream kernel22:30
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Palibut not on 2.6.2822:30
freemangordonPali: ok22:30
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freemangordonPali: Unsupported ioctl: cmd=0x80204d0122:36
freemangordonCAL ERROR: MEMGETINFO: Function not implemented22:36
Palifreemangordon, I'm doing some modular arithmetic - cannot think about something else now...22:38
freemangordonhehe, ok22:38
Palimy head is going to explode...22:38
avtobiffDocScrutinizer05, found that also but the application menu does not seem to be in those html/css/js files22:41
DocScrutinizer05ooh, the menu :-S you're quite probably outa luck with that22:45
DocScrutinizer05at least I don't know (means I have no idea, yay or nay) if conversations app allows to add menu items22:46
DocScrutinizer05I'm rather sure convo app is closed source though22:46
DocScrutinizer05mediaplayer for instance actually allows adding menu items22:46
DocScrutinizer05contacts as well iirc22:47
DocScrutinizer05barisione did something for contact-specific ringtones and I think he added a menu item to contacts app for that. For mediaplayer there's this plugin that allows browsing of fs-tree for playback of real files. Sorry I never can recall the name22:48
gena2xdo anyone tried modrana? i do not understand how to setup gps there.22:49
DocScrutinizer05hth to find your way where to search22:49
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DocScrutinizer05Pali: take care! :-)22:54
DocScrutinizer05Pali: I don't even dare to wonder what modular arithmetics might be at all22:54
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DocScrutinizer05ooh modulo22:58
DocScrutinizer05circular closed value space22:58
PaliDocScrutinizer05, see:
DocScrutinizer05exactly what I just did :-)22:59
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kerionumber theory is fun!23:01
SpeedEvilonly in so many ways.23:01
Paligena2x, maybe ask M4rtinK23:01
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gena2xPali, thanks23:03
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M4rtinKgena2x: hi :)23:16
M4rtinKgena2x: what can I help you with ?23:17
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gena2xM4rtinK, hi23:19
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gena2xM4rtinK, i am trying to install modrana23:20
gena2xM4rtinK, and it seems can't turn on my gps23:20
gena2xM4rtinK, actually i am already figured out that it's python package installation problem23:21
gena2xpython2.5-dbus seem can't be installed, but somehow installation of modrana went fine23:21
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M4rtinKare you installing the package from Extras-devel ?23:22
M4rtinKwell, that should just work :)23:22
gena2xi see in log:23:22
gena2xmodRana: module: device_n900/device failed to load23:22
gena2xImportError: No module named dbus.glib23:22
gena2xapt-get install python2.5-dbus23:23
gena2xThe following packages have unmet dependencies:23:23
gena2x  python2.5-dbus: Depends: python2.5-xml (>= 0.8.4-1osso8)23:23
gena2xapt-get install python2.5-xml23:23
gena2xPackage python2.5-xml is a virtual package provided by:23:24
gena2x  python-xml 0.8.4-10.1maemo423:24
gena2xapt-get install python-xml23:24
gena2xpython-xml is already the newest version23:24
M4rtinKtry to install just python-dbus23:24
M4rtinKas it seems to be a different package23:25
M4rtinKhmm, looks like there is no dependency on python-dbus or python2.5-dbus listed for the modRana package at all :D23:26
gena2xshame on me!23:26
gena2xwith python-dbus now it's fine =)23:26
M4rtinKwell, shame on me if I forgot to add it :)23:26
gena2xare you one of authors of modrana?23:27
M4rtinKok, I'll update the package dependencies :)23:27
gena2xcool. nice app. going to try it.23:27
M4rtinKthe sole active one :)23:27
M4rtinKthanks ! :)23:27
M4rtinKnot that there are any non-active authors23:28
M4rtinKjust that people send some patches or help with testing23:28
gena2xnow it works23:28
M4rtinKbut usually not participate on development regularly :)23:28
M4rtinKgood to hear that :)23:28
gena2xthank you. going to try tomorrow in the car =)23:29
M4rtinKwill you have connectivity for the whole trip ?23:31
gena2xwonder do you have any plans to collect traffic information?23:31
M4rtinKok, so then everything should just work23:31
M4rtinKfrom users ?23:32
M4rtinKrather the other way around - use some API to display it in modRana23:32
gena2xdoesn't matter from there. i am interested to see such information =)23:32
M4rtinKyes, it could be quite useful23:33
DocScrutinizer51connecting to RDS woul.d be cool23:33
DocScrutinizer51TMS actually23:34
M4rtinKIIRC how RDS works this might be actually doable23:34
M4rtinKbut is the RDS/TMS code <-> location database available somewhere ?23:35
M4rtinKas i think it just sends some codes for the event & area23:35
DocScrutinizer51should be somehow defined somewhere23:35
M4rtinKwell, I'm quite overloaded already :) but won't mind to merge it in if somebody does it :)23:36
M4rtinKmodRana internals consultation included :)23:37
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M4rtinKBTW, there are more interesting data sources that could be added: POI extracts, weather radar data, weather prediction, restaurant/hotel review search, Wikimapia, Nominatim, etc. :)23:42
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gena2xM4rtinK, hm, going to add23:45
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gena2xM4rtinK, where can i found more information on this?23:46
M4rtinKgena2x: do you mean modRana or the different data sources ?23:48
gena2xM4rtinK, sorry, misunderstood, you've said 'could' =)23:49

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