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| Guest28766 | merlin1991, thank you for your help this afternoon, my armel scratchbox seems to be recovered. | 00:07 |
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| merlin1991 | :) | 00:07 |
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| Guest28766 | I am wondering, why it was decided not to upload x86 packages for cssu | 00:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd think it's about wheter they are built on buildserver, or not | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now AIUI nothing of CSSU is built on buildserver | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but MohammadAG and merlin1991 should know better details on that | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | simply because certain parts don't build on the buildserver | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again AIUI all this will change soonish, with COBS | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | and mag said he's not going to build everything twice all the time | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buenas tardes merlin1991 | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | and also ack about cobs | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | we'll probably have build for everything thanks to cobs when it arrives :) | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even for 4004 | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and PDP11 | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | don't forget MMIX and Ural 2 :) | 00:22 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, it is already possible to use the Harmattan target in COBS to build architecture independent packages | 00:27 |
| M4rtinK | I'm using it for bleeding-edge Fremantle repository for my Python programs | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: nice :-) | 00:29 |
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| M4rtinK | the auto-rebuild is kinda nice | 00:31 |
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| M4rtinK | and I have a script that pulls code from Git, creates a source package and uploads it to Harmattan and Fremantle repos (due to different icons sizes & startup scripts) :) | 00:32 |
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| M4rtinK | its quite convenient like this :) | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | M4rtinK: maybe you should wrizte some sort of bölogpost or wiki_miniHowTo about that stuff? | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, if you find typos you can keep them ;-) | 00:36 |
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| zeq | Is there a guide for updating the SDK to CSSU? | 00:39 |
| zeq | I've resolved my fakeroot issue now | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas not AFAIK | 00:39 |
| zeq | I'm having trouble with repos | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, since SDK should be compatible to stock fremantle, as is supposed for CSSU, I don't see much of an issue anyway | 00:40 |
| zeq | is there an example sources.list that works from the sdk? | 00:40 |
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| M4rtinK | DocScrutinizer05: IIRC ZogG promised to write a COBS Howto :) | 00:41 |
| zeq | I tried using the one from the device, but I'm missing packages after update | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for anything except CSSU genuine patches, there shouldn't be any issue with SDK | 00:41 |
| zeq | hmm | 00:41 |
| ZogG | M4rtinK, still have errors on building | 00:41 |
| ZogG | pasted the main make package stages, now trying to optimize it to build properly on obs | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | again - discalimer AIUI and better ask you mom and dad, err merlin1991and MohammadAG (who is your father anyway ;-D ) | 00:42 |
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| M4rtinK | ZogG: could it be caused by parallel build ? | 00:42 |
| zeq | :) | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: CSSU is NOT changing API or ABI | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | looks like OBS by default runs build in 4 threads, including packaging scripts | 00:43 |
| M4rtinK | I had some issues with it breaking GTK or other packages | 00:44 |
| zeq | I'm planning on building thumb packages | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah that's a whole new story | 00:44 |
| ZogG | M4rtinK, nope i have dep error the funny thing that it's from other deb i included | 00:44 |
| M4rtinK | weird | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | talk to freemangordon @ #maemo-ssu about it | 00:44 |
| zeq | ok | 00:45 |
| ZogG | M4rtinK, it's funny tht i include account but the error on what it includes and i have it in control file | 00:45 |
| M4rtinK | ZogG: does that deb build successfully ? | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: anyway I can't see CSSU mainline ever supporting thumb | 00:45 |
| ZogG | while rzr build same thing succsefully with scratchbox mine fails | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since this IS breaking ABI | 00:45 |
| M4rtinK | well, I have a few packages | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | that build in local OBS build, but not in COBS :) | 00:46 |
| ZogG | M4rtinK, i had few debs build but they were build wierd when no execution file was copied to device =) | 00:46 |
| ZogG | that one in apps4meego | 00:46 |
| ZogG | requested X-Fade to delete it | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | and for a while one of the GTK packages that would build in one project and not i another similar one :) | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: you shouldn't develop apps for thunb only, anyway | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: there's no sane reason and rationale usually to not support stock maemo and CSSU as well | 00:47 |
| M4rtinK | ZogG: so does it build in your OBS project ? | 00:47 |
| ZogG | nopi build it with qtcreator | 00:47 |
| ZogG | now i build it with script to mke it to obs | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: and if your app is written in a clean style, it shouldn't matter at all whether you compile it for thumb or for ARM | 00:48 |
| M4rtinK | and the resulting source package builds successfully in your OBS project ? | 00:48 |
| ZogG | but it's still failling in normal way e.g. i need to make qmake -project otherwise it fails to make makefile | 00:48 |
| ZogG | M4rtinK source package is built fine | 00:49 |
| M4rtinK | but it won't compile ? | 00:49 |
| ZogG | i get with hacks to deps fail | 00:49 |
| M4rtinK | in OBs at all ? | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG: is there a repo? | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | I can look at it aswell | 00:49 |
| ZogG | M4rtinK, in normal way not it took me trying options with qmake to find out it need -project | 00:49 |
| ZogG | now the problem with deps | 00:50 |
| ZogG | merlin1991, rzr managed to build it but with manual rules, thought i need one from qtcreator as i need to compile there and it's already mess | 00:51 |
| zeq | DocScrutinizer: thumb2 doesn't work on stock (or current CSSU) | 00:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: what I said | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it's the compiler that creates thumb2 code from plain clean c code | 00:51 |
| zeq | oh yes, didn't scroll back far enough :) | 00:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | same way it creates clean straight ARM from same c code | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and all that is completely unrelated to any supposed changes that actually do *not* come with CSSU | 00:53 |
| ZogG | merlin1991, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=imgrup&project=home%3AZogG | 00:53 |
| zeq | I know. My only thought, perhaps incorrect, was that CSSU(-thumb) might have newer non-core libs to develop against | 00:53 |
| merlin1991 | anyway ZogG if you want to you can give me a quick pm with details what works/not a link to the code and I'll have a look (I have qt creator and scratchbox here) | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: I dunno about CSSU-thumb, though I'd guess it shouldn't have anything like that | 00:54 |
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| ZogG | merlin1991 lemme show you almost last source of project for qtcreator and script for packaging than | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU (minus thumb) for sure doesn't | 00:54 |
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| zeq | The plan is to port the harmatten fennec git | 00:54 |
| zeq | code | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so first port it to fremantle core | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if it worlks there, it also works on CSSU | 00:55 |
| zeq | I could I suppose :) | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you go and rebuild it under CSSU-thumb | 00:55 |
| ZogG | merlin1991, https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup here is source code | 00:56 |
| zeq | fennec non-thumv pushes memory capacity though | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it should build there flawlessly | 00:56 |
| ZogG | merlin1991, generate-obs-source is the script for making source and tar.gz | 00:56 |
| zeq | I'll do that | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: any comments re above? | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | zeq: unless fennec is built on top of qt you don't have any important improved system libs to use | 00:58 |
| zeq | I was planning to | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even qt libs might be improved but should not break ABI, no? | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | yeah they only have a bit more stuff in them | 00:59 |
| merlin1991 | ZogG: and qt creator buliding still works? | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which doesn't hurt, as long as you don't use that additional stuff | 01:00 |
| ZogG | merlin1991, yes though i don't know if it's reltted but now i have no delete red x on desctop icon | 01:01 |
| ZogG | but it might be on my phone end as did't heard anyone complaiing | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so - as long as you don't *NEED* to use these new bits - you're better off building against stock fremantle, then port to CSSU and maybe even CSSU-thumb | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (where "port to CSSU" is basically a null-op) | 01:02 |
| zeq | I'm not sure if I won't. depends what the harmattan code does | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | try hard to avoid though, please | 01:02 |
| zeq | I thought it best to minimize differences | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: you don't want to segregate 90% of N900 users | 01:03 |
| zeq | 90% not on CSSU? | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least | 01:03 |
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| zeq | they need some outreach :) | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | zeq: so now you got the whole picture, and the perspective. Act accordingly | 01:05 |
| zeq | will do | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 01:05 |
| zeq | It's a slight culture-shock for me, comming from gentoo ;) | 01:07 |
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| MohammadAG | Yeah, no server side builds | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | It's costly, for the servers | 01:09 |
| MohammadAG | We don't want to hold a server to build Qt | 01:10 |
| M4rtinK | I've seen a KDE build on COBS :) | 01:11 |
| M4rtinK | it takes a while | 01:11 |
| M4rtinK | ...on a dozen of workers :) | 01:11 |
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| ZogG_laptop | zeq: gentoo <3 | 01:14 |
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| Flazgar | hi | 02:34 |
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| Flazgar | I've a keyboard problem using easy debian on my nokia n900. | 02:34 |
| Flazgar | Can somebody help me ? | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~ask | 02:50 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 02:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | lemme guess - the return key doesn't work like expected? | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, drive-by asker | 02:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to write a bot plugin to handle those join-ask-leave events, at least next time same nick/host shows up | 02:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, chanlog doesn't show any leave event for flazgar | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | makes me wonder how reasonable it is to log join/leave but not to log nick events | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | whowas FTW | 02:58 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: [01:51:16] <-- Flazgar (6d0d4526@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.13.69.38) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | logs lag a bit | 03:02 |
| merlin1991 | hm should write a log interface for my quassel core | 03:03 |
| merlin1991 | after all I have the complete chanhistory within a relational database | 03:03 |
| merlin1991 | well "complete" as in since I use quassel :) | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you got that *where*?? | 03:03 |
| merlin1991 | on my root server :) | 03:04 |
| merlin1991 | inside a postgres db xD | 03:04 |
| merlin1991 | now scream :) | 03:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders what's primary key on that table | 03:04 | |
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| merlin1991 | sec | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now make that nodupkey and doom starts | 03:05 |
| merlin1991 | hm how does one check the table definiton in psql | 03:05 |
| merlin1991 | I always forget | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 03:05 |
| merlin1991 | messageid | integer | not null default nextval('backlog_messageid_seq'::regclass) | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | SQL is none of my active languages | 03:06 |
| merlin1991 | current index is 6889897 xD | 03:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 once implemented a whole dialin info system with a "database" based on a plain text file plus grep | 03:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now I finally seem to recall what I didn't like with quassel ;-D | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | though I have 3 users running on that | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | 673165 lines of #maemo log up till now | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems to me like a plain text file per channel, with one global append-handle plus a read-handle per user should suffice | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | well that makes it hard to buffer specific parts back to multiple clients that randomly connect to your core | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | unless you write some blackmagic indexes into your file every so and so bytes | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yep. It's not exactly good design for adding clients on the fly | 03:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | each new client needs his own process with read-handle set to EOF | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then read again to EOF for each spooling out | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but redo arbitrary spools is not exactly supported by that architecture | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | and how do you give a client parts of the log when he request gimme history from that and that time? | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd still go for a plain text file, with grep ;-D | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or awk | 03:15 |
| merlin1991 | but one thing I can definitely do better is timestamp / nick based search ;) | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, the overhead for RDBMS is overkill, compared to an *occasional* grep over a few dozen MB | 03:16 |
| merlin1991 | yeah :P | 03:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm 324241 distinct nicks are logged on the server | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | esp since your "primary key" (the start of line timestamp) is strictly monotone | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | hah, but you can't combine information from multiple channels easily! | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | ;) | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck would anybody wanna do that? | 03:18 |
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| merlin1991 | because ie here people go with discussions from ie #maemo to #maemo-ssu and add some additional info in #harmattan? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, so quassel is supposed to filter that out via SQL query? | 03:19 |
| merlin1991 | don't think quassel can do that :D | 03:19 |
| merlin1991 | but at least $sql nerd can do it on the db xD | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | suuuure | 03:20 |
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| merlin1991 | well tbh I don't see an argument pro sql db for quassel | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | except, that it probably eased the development process for the dev | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | AND | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | the core is designed to scale to thousands of users | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | there you can run into problems with too many file descriptors | 03:21 |
| merlin1991 | though for $average guy there is no point to have a db behind an irc client :D | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | man 1 sort -> Write sorted concatenation of all FILE(s) to standard output. | 03:22 |
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| merlin1991 | now do that for 500 users with lets say 5 chans each | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | then the fun starts | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'll still beat your SQL nerd with unix file toolbox and shell, hands down | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m9.165s | 03:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | real 0m1.796s | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems incorrect though | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, it's actually looking like there are 102k valid chanpost lines (incl join/quit/nick) from Mi Sep 10 2008 to Mo Okt 20 2008 | 03:55 |
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| Guest28766 | merlin1991, thanks for you help yesterday, navit built against CSSU qt libraries went smooth. | 11:55 |
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| cityLights | hi all , where to read the ssu changelog? | 13:53 |
| cityLights | please | 13:53 |
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| cityLights | also, is anyone aware of any tizen news? like, when can I buy a device with a working tizen? | 13:53 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 13:54 | |
| SpeedEvil | I am getting confused at dead projects. | 13:54 |
| maybeArgh | divide & conquer | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | So... Maemo, harmattan, meltimi, meego, moblin, | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Is Limo dead? | 13:58 |
| scp1 | http://i.japh.se/n900/rp.png damdidam | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - limo got eaten by tizen | 13:59 |
| scp1 | meh is anything of all that producing any code? | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Screw code. | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Released hardware. | 14:00 |
| scp1 | as the situation is I'm confident I'll stay with n900/n950/n9 for quite some years into the future, because vendors simply doesn't seem to care about us | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/02/preorders-begin-for-spark-the-open-kde-tablet/ | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | sort-of | 14:02 |
| scp1 | sure but that's just a toy. or what's the purpose? | 14:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | And yes, there is that. | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | To do anything more than 'toy' - you need much more investment. | 14:03 |
| scp1 | at least in this area yeah | 14:04 |
| scp1 | sadly | 14:04 |
| scp1 | I wonder how the talk is going in nokia hc ... I haven't seen or even heard of anyone who bought/were interested in their windows phones. | 14:05 |
| scp1 | maybe the situation is different elsewhere | 14:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sacking almost all developers isn't exactly positive. | 14:07 |
| scp1 | and they had such a great thing going :( | 14:07 |
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| scp1 | I guess breaking up with ms now would cost nokia more than what the company's worth | 14:08 |
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| MrPingu | ~seen Estel_ | 15:40 |
| infobot | estel_ <~Estel@Maemo/Community/council/Estel-> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 12m 35s ago, saying: 'side effect - camera doesnt work too, despite fact, that - apparently - camera module is ok'. | 15:40 |
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| fasta | In what channels, if any do you ask your advanced Linux questions? I am finding that the signal to noise ration has become so low, it's much more efficient to figure out everything myself. | 15:56 |
| fasta | ratio* | 15:56 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 15:56 |
| Macer | hahaha | 15:56 |
| Macer | fasta: i'd have to agree with you there ;) | 15:57 |
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| Macer | most of it is "My printer works in windows but not in Linux can someone help me figure it out?????" | 15:57 |
| fasta | Even some developer channels are now getting infected with such issues. | 15:57 |
| Macer | "linux sucks because my $10 lexmark printer doesn't work! | 15:57 |
| fasta | Macer: no, more like "I stated information elements X, Y and Z, and then people ask whether Z holds." | 15:58 |
| Macer | well.. there is option b.. .start your own # and lay down iron fisted control of it | 15:58 |
| fasta | Macer: or asking 'what's the problem' after 3 minutes, which means that they don't know how to setup IRC properly. | 15:58 |
| fasta | There are IRC logs too, so if people really wanted to help, they could just have read that. | 15:59 |
| Macer | most of the time people just don't know how to fix the issue you're having... i agree with you that it is usually easier to simply figure it out yourself | 15:59 |
| Macer | fasta: yeah but who wants to go find logs or scroll up for someone else's problem? ;) | 15:59 |
| fasta | Macer: right, but instead of those people just shutting up, they 'try to help'. | 15:59 |
| Macer | heh.. what makes it worse is that most of the ones trying to help are 2 week windows converts who think because they run ubuntu they are linux experts | 16:00 |
| fasta | Macer: or very recently, I had a Gentoo user. | 16:00 |
| Macer | gentoo users are a special breed | 16:01 |
| fasta | Macer: he thought me using Ubuntu was a very bad insult. | 16:01 |
| Macer | yeah. that is typical. | 16:01 |
| fasta | Macer: of course, everyone who works at Google is also retarded. | 16:01 |
| fasta | (by the same logic) | 16:01 |
| Macer | ubuntu is great for the end user.. personally i'd rather use kubuntu | 16:01 |
| Macer | but as far as a linux distro that simply works after installed it is the closest thing | 16:01 |
| fasta | Macer: well, I installed Ubuntu, but use Kubuntu packages. | 16:01 |
| Macer | heh.. then why not just use kubuntu ;) | 16:02 |
| Macer | personally i love kde | 16:02 |
| fasta | Macer: I didn't know that when I installed, and I tried all of them. | 16:02 |
| fasta | Macer: I think I still have all of them installed. | 16:02 |
| fasta | Macer: I have the resources, so why not? | 16:02 |
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| Macer | they're all the same anyways just a different ui | 16:02 |
| fasta | Macer: yeah, the terminal is the most important. | 16:02 |
| Macer | heh... don't tell that to the converts ;) | 16:02 |
| Macer | if you can't click to fix it just isn't worth it | 16:03 |
| fasta | I am very much passed the point where I care whether other people use it. | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cityLights: /join #maemo-ssu see /topic | 16:03 |
| Macer | well. that makes 1... about 2 billion more to go | 16:03 |
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| fasta | Anyway, this channel is still not infected, although people might regard this as noise, which I suppose it is in some way. | 16:04 |
| Macer | not really | 16:04 |
| Macer | speaking of which.. if anybody wants to buy my n900 with a jacked up sim reader let me know :-P | 16:04 |
| Macer | checks not accepted | 16:04 |
| Macer | i'll give it up for $100 | 16:05 |
| Macer | (plus shipping) | 16:05 |
| Macer | other than the flakey sim reader it works great | 16:05 |
| Macer | one of you electronic nerds might be able to fix it | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: WUT? this channel has almost worst S/N I ever seen | 16:09 |
| * ShadowJK doubts it's actually sim reader | 16:09 | |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: which channels do you think have high S/N then? | 16:10 |
| ShadowJK | because on my devices also emergency calls, which work without sim, got disabled :P | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fasta: would you be surprised when I got reasons not to mention their names? | 16:10 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: weird | 16:10 |
| Macer | did you actually try calling 911 with it? lol | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | crossed out sim icon is just generic "modem failure" icon it seems | 16:11 |
| fasta | DocScrutinizer05: well, you can send me in private message, unless you think I am also one of those morons. | 16:11 |
| Macer | yeah but my logs seem to show the sim reader failing | 16:11 |
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| Macer | as though it keeps losing it over and over... maybe it was some software issue but i haven't tried to flash it yet to stock | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | oh? Paste? | 16:12 |
| Macer | it's CSSU's fault! | 16:12 |
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| Macer | ShadowJK: i really can't now... i honestly don't even know where my n900 is.. it's in my house somewhere collecting dust | 16:12 |
| Macer | but i noticed it resetting over and over in the logs | 16:12 |
| ShadowJK | i've never seen logs showing sim reader failing | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't fall for macer, he's assuming it#s SIM holder though odds are it's usual modem chip defect | 16:13 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah I've only seen modem crashing. | 16:13 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer05: oh :-/ my bad.. figured it was a reader error | 16:13 |
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| Macer | well.. i think it's still under warranty if someone wants to buy it for $100.. it's a UK based phone tho so nokia will only accept it from the UK :-/ | 16:14 |
| Macer | which totally sucks | 16:14 |
| ShadowJK | last time I checked, device bought in eu has eu wide warranty | 16:14 |
| Macer | there is no way for me to ship it to the UK through their methods in order to honor the warranty | 16:14 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: when i contacted nokia they said it was UK not EU | 16:14 |
| ShadowJK | (plus norway and switzerland, iirc) | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should swap it for a XY-7 and sell that other shite, or keep it | 16:14 |
| Macer | don't dis my lumia 900 :) | 16:15 |
| Macer | it's actually a lot better than most people think | 16:15 |
| Macer | you're just spoiled by the n900 heh | 16:15 |
| ShadowJK | Making distinction between "UK" and "EU" is weird anyhow, there's no EU version of the phone | 16:15 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i guess... either way... going from US to UK to send in is impossible | 16:16 |
| Macer | it has to originate from the UK Post | 16:16 |
| ShadowJK | Well for sure both "UK" and "EU" aren't accepted by us nokia care | 16:16 |
| Macer | i forgot the exact method but it has to be brought to the UK Post with a printed label.. it sucks. | 16:16 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: nope :( | 16:17 |
| Macer | free trade in action | 16:17 |
| Macer | i would guess that nokia is nokia but i guess geological positions matter to them | 16:17 |
| Macer | i mean it really doesn't matter to me.. i left tmobile anyways so i most likely wouldn't be using the n900 even if it did work. it was the only thing keeping me with tmobile | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | So in other words, you never tried to excercise the eu wide warranty, and this entire screenful of debate was entirely pointless? | 16:18 |
| Macer | so maybe its for the better ;) | 16:18 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i did.. i asked nokia if i could ship it overseas but they said that it would be impossible since you had to send it out using some UK post type of thing | 16:18 |
| Macer | their answer was the phone originated from the UK and it would have to be shipped from the UK to nokia uk | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | Ah, so you didn't | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | that clears things up | 16:19 |
| Macer | i tried.. but there isn't a way to go USPS to UK PO | 16:19 |
| Macer | i can probably dig up the email with the rma instructions.. but it really is pointless.. i just wrote the n900 off | 16:19 |
| Macer | as a defective device (2 of 2) | 16:20 |
| ShadowJK | Trying to send eu device from outside of eu to eu for service is same thing as trying to service eu device outside of eu | 16:20 |
| Macer | my first was the usb port then this one the sim reader/modem | 16:20 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: you can take a mercedez in to be repaired at a US based mercedez shop :-P | 16:20 |
| ShadowJK | That's their policy | 16:20 |
| Macer | i guess.. so nokia's is regions are different | 16:21 |
| ShadowJK | But as for the original claim that a UK device has no warranty in the EU outside of UK, that's false | 16:21 |
| Macer | it's not the EU tho | 16:21 |
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| Macer | nor did the EU ever come up in my conversation with customer support | 16:21 |
| Macer | it's US for a UK originated phone | 16:21 |
| Macer | and i was told it had to be sent via UK based PO | 16:22 |
| Macer | there was no way to send it to them via USPS to their UK warranty center | 16:22 |
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| Macer | the EU/UK part is irrelevant | 16:23 |
| Macer | given my circumstance | 16:23 |
| Macer | so i guess you were right earlier.. it was pointless :) | 16:23 |
| Macer | anyways... if anybody wants it let me know.. i'll take $100 for it.. maybe you can send it in or something and get somthing else | 16:24 |
| Macer | otherwise i'll put it up on ebay and see if ther are any takers for my 2nd broken n900... NOKIA FTW | 16:24 |
| Macer | lets see if the lumia lasts longer than 1 year :) | 16:25 |
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| _PanzerSajt | ping freemangordon | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: pong | 19:30 |
| _PanzerSajt | hy | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | hi | 19:30 |
| _PanzerSajt | So | 19:30 |
| _PanzerSajt | yes the kernel is woking fine | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | but? | 19:30 |
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| _PanzerSajt | but some modules are still missing | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | for example? | 19:31 |
| _PanzerSajt | and some are present but nor working in the way we need | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | do you have some list? | 19:31 |
| _PanzerSajt | here is a documentation how the stock kernel works | 19:31 |
| _PanzerSajt | http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html | 19:31 |
| _PanzerSajt | and most of these modules are present but not working correctly | 19:32 |
| _PanzerSajt | for example the accelerometer | 19:32 |
| _PanzerSajt | ./sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord file doesn't exist | 19:33 |
| _PanzerSajt | but the folders exist | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I see | 19:33 |
| _PanzerSajt | and the vibra also | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | did anyone tried to build newer kernel? | 19:33 |
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| _PanzerSajt | the led module is woking but not driving the vibra | 19:34 |
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| _PanzerSajt | I think yes | 19:34 |
| _PanzerSajt | but I think there were problems with the size | 19:34 |
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| _PanzerSajt | it was too big for the U-boot bootloader I think | 19:35 |
| _PanzerSajt | but if you could compile a newer kernel | 19:35 |
| _PanzerSajt | or at least provide me soma useful information | 19:35 |
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| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: well, I think I could help, but cannot be the driving force behind that. | 19:35 |
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| freemangordon | if you have the questions, I could try to answer | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | but as I see it, it is a matter of forward-poering the drivers | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | *porting | 19:36 |
| _PanzerSajt | ok first how good are you in licensing? | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | you mean are kernel drivers FOSS? | 19:37 |
| _PanzerSajt | yes | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | yep, the whole kernel is GPLEed | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | no problems with licensing for the kernel | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | AFAIK | 19:37 |
| _PanzerSajt | and the kernel used in maemo contains only free drivers? | 19:39 |
| _PanzerSajt | for example these: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/ | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | yes, there is no other way | 19:39 |
| _PanzerSajt | and how can we compile these modules and use them later? | 19:40 |
| _PanzerSajt | just to point out: I have never compiled any kernel | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: you need to forward-port them. I.e. make them compilable and compatible with whatever changes there are between 2.6.28.10 ( maemo5 kernel) and the kernel version you are forward-porting to. | 19:42 |
| _PanzerSajt | currently we are using 2.6.37 | 19:44 |
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| _PanzerSajt | so the reason why some drivers are not working correctly is that the newer kernel works in a different way? | 19:44 |
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| freemangordon | yes. and it is Nemo one actually. | 19:45 |
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| _PanzerSajt | oh thanks | 19:45 |
| _PanzerSajt | then I think I should learn how linux kernel works | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: :D | 19:46 |
| _PanzerSajt | It's too complicated for me right now | 19:46 |
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| _PanzerSajt | and what about the omap-kernel | 19:47 |
| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: you may start with setting up a build environment (SB2 should do the job) and cloning the 2.6.37 kernel tree (Nemo one) from here | 19:47 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, cannot find it right now, let me check in Ubuntu thread on TMO | 19:49 |
| _PanzerSajt | ok | 19:50 |
| _PanzerSajt | and what is the main difference between scratchbox and sb2? | 19:50 |
| merlin1991 | the way it works | 19:51 |
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| _PanzerSajt | and I assume the sb2 is bettet, right? | 19:51 |
| _PanzerSajt | *better | 19:52 |
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| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: here https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_kernel | 19:52 |
| freemangordon | the difference is you wont be able to compile 2.6.37 with gcc 4.2.1 AFAIK | 19:53 |
| _PanzerSajt | and sb2 exists only in source code on git? | 19:57 |
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| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: NFC. I used gcc 4.6.2 (the one I am using to build -thumb stuff) to build nemo kernel in SB1. But you should setup a new environmemnt in SB, read #maemo logs from yesterday for howto do it | 20:00 |
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| _PanzerSajt | one question remains: how I can read the log from yesterday? | 20:01 |
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| _PanzerSajt | sorry for these noob questions | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ | 20:03 |
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| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-06-16.log.html#t2012-06-16T18:28:44 | 20:06 |
| _PanzerSajt | freemangordon, yes I have found thanks | 20:07 |
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| _PanzerSajt | freemangordon, different topic, but can you help me how can I remap the keyboard layout on N900 with ubuntu so that pressing two specified key would emulate a TAB being pressed | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | _PanzerSajt: sorry, cannot help. | 20:22 |
| _PanzerSajt | no problem | 20:22 |
| _PanzerSajt | so now I have installed the -core and -libs package | 20:23 |
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| _PanzerSajt | freemangordon, nevermind I will try it later | 20:25 |
| _PanzerSajt | and thanks for your help | 20:25 |
| freemangordon | np | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | _PanzerSajt: ctrl-i traditionally is meant to mean <tab> | 20:48 |
| _PanzerSajt | DocScrutinizer, oh really thanks | 20:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | of course this will only work on char level, not on keycode level | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i.e usually on any line discipline | 20:50 |
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| _PanzerSajt | my initial purpose was to use it in terminal | 20:51 |
| _PanzerSajt | and it works great | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apps that scan the keycodes will not recognize ctrl-i as <tab> | 20:51 |
| _PanzerSajt | ok that's fine | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, shell is the prototypical case where it should work | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | except for fullscreen apps, like e.g. htop, which may or may not work with ctr-i as tab-substituate | 20:53 |
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| _PanzerSajt | since we don't have any tab key on N900 and I can't live without it I was always ssh-ing just to have TAB | 20:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, you got a true TAB key on the xterm softkeys | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (at least I thought it's there by default) | 20:54 |
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| _PanzerSajt | yeah but I'm using ubuntu on N900 right now | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah, yes. Forgot | 20:55 |
| _PanzerSajt | finally we managed to get dsp-working | 20:56 |
| _PanzerSajt | now I'm searching for a graphical player that can use it | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I'm no friend of the approach to come from a bare bones standard system like ubuntu or open-embedded, and then try to add in all the stuff needed to support the platform. I prefer to come from an already working "board support package" like maemo fremantle and add-in/replace the stuff I'm missing and can cherrypick on e.g ubuntu | 20:59 |
| _PanzerSajt | yes but the problem for me that in mamemo some packages are outdated and the whole system is customized so it is not so simple to run your desired app | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it seems way simpler than making your desired distro replace maemo | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | outdated packages can get updated (something we do constantly over at CSSU) | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | while even for open components in maemo there are often inferior upstream implementations, esp when it comes to kernel driver modules etc | 21:11 |
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| _PanzerSajt | yes that's right | 21:13 |
| _PanzerSajt | currently the thumb-2 cssu looks very interesting | 21:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless it breaks ABI compatibility so you can't expect cssu-thumb to play nice with standard apps | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: tend to disagree | 21:15 |
| freemangordon | no ABI is broken | 21:15 |
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| freemangordon | you can execute your ARM stuff in thumb2 environment | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you manage to compile a kernel that's loading your random custom closed source module binary just fine, I'd agree | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if you can't, it's just as incompatible as powerkernel is | 21:16 |
| _PanzerSajt | with ubuntu we have armhf kernel with thumb2 enabled | 21:16 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: aah, since when Nokia customised omap1 kernel is the standard for ABI? | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, ABI maybe not the exact term. OK | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am in gdb again, I'd better focus on it :) | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway as long as apps like BlessN900 camera app come with drivers that don't work under that patched kernel, I think that's a compatibility issue | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the issue is with kernel, not with the app | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and nobody knows how many apps are out there that do stuff like that | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, for somebody running ubuntu rather than maemo on N900 it's probably massively irrelevant | 21:22 |
| _PanzerSajt | yes but I'm still interested in everything in connection with n900 | 21:22 |
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| _PanzerSajt | do you know any other smartphone or tablet that runs linux and it can be considered as modern (max 2 years old) | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some think android==linux | 21:29 |
| _PanzerSajt | no android is just based on linux | 21:30 |
| _PanzerSajt | it has some differences in kernel also | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tell that my coleagues at work ;-D | 21:30 |
| _PanzerSajt | but basically it is just a virtual machine | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | at my work actually linux means android | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody ever says android there | 21:32 |
| _PanzerSajt | you work on a wrong place :) | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes I think you're right ;-) | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, usually I don't touch android either at work (no linux either), but recently that changed, since they "heard I know a bit about linux" (SIC!) | 21:36 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: you shouldn't let slip that you know a bit about linux | 21:36 |
| merlin1991 | you know a bit about *proper* linux ;) | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for all that matters in that case, it's actually a correct proposition | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but now I'm feeling constant nausea while makeing friend (or trying to do so) with android build environment at large | 21:38 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05: Euro cup's been going well for you guys :P | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: soccer? | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err MohammadAG^^^ | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | It's called football | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see? | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | Americans can call theirs handball | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm honestly not very much excited. What happened to make to think it's going well? | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | s/to think/you think/ | 21:54 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: I'm honestly not very much excited. What happened to make you think it's going well? | 21:54 |
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| MohammadAG | You won/tied all games | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | There's a game right now, 0-0 | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh there is? | 21:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 zaps a bit | 21:56 | |
| MohammadAG | You and Denmark | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 21:57 |
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| robbiethe1st | ...Wait, what? Is Estel's email seriously "twilight312@gmail.com" or am I misreading something? | 22:04 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05: You scored :p | 22:08 |
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| MohammadAG | And Denmark scored back | 22:11 |
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| merlin1991 | robbiethe1st: it is :/ | 22:20 |
| robbiethe1st | XD | 22:20 |
| robbiethe1st | I find that incredibly funny, for some reason | 22:21 |
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| ManoftheSea | Hello. I have an N900. I try to connect it to a bluetooth GPS (TomTom, SirfstarIII). It never locks, and eventually gives a connection failed message. | 22:47 |
| ManoftheSea | Google makes me think I'm the only one with this problem. | 22:47 |
| ManoftheSea | Does anyone else use an external GPS with their N900? | 22:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | I haven't, sorry | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~seen pali | 23:44 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 9d 20m 2s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer, what do you think about it?'. | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anybody else got a script to do proper backup of $maemo to a local PC? | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where $maemo=the repos and other relevant stuff | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe even plus wiki | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, yet another game won by you :P | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not by me :-) | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly I'd prefer to do some serious stuff, rather than watch football | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't hurt to have it in the background :P | 23:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NCIS been the better background | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I just zapped and switchet to videotext, when some dudes outside shouted "...SCHLAAAAND" | 23:51 |
| Macer | my favorite part of fight club is when he is in his bi-monthly sickle cell circle | 23:58 |
| Macer | and he's the only white guy in the whole room | 23:58 |
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