IRC log of #maemo for Saturday, 2012-06-16

ShadowJKjpinx, where did you execute fdisk -l?00:00
jpinxShadowJK: in the laptop00:00
DocScrutinizer05actually sftp://root@
jpinxShadowJK: I am looking for the n900 as plugged in00:00
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ShadowJKjpinx, in mass storage mode, N900 exports two devices, the MyDocs partition, and the microsd first partition (I think), so you don't see a partition table00:01
_rdIs proxytunnel/tsocks on the n900 available, in case I am in a restricted hotel/public/foreign wireless network?00:01
jpinxShadowJK: bugger :(00:02
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: sftp not recognised by my browser :(00:03
ShadowJKThe data that's exported over mass storage becomes inaccessible on the N900 itself, so it can't do it for critical data00:03
ShadowJK_rd, I see tsocks00:03
jpinxShadowJK: I only want read access...00:04
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DocScrutinizer05jpinx: sftp root@  - in xterm00:05
ShadowJKneeds openssh on n90000:05
DocScrutinizer05sure thing00:05
DocScrutinizer05[15.06.2012 22:57:28] <DocScrutinizer05> install SSHD00:05
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ShadowJKfilezilla should do sftp if you want point and click00:06
jpinx192.168.1.41 port 22: No route to host  :(00:06
ShadowJKis it connected to wifi?00:07
jpinxShadowJK: the mobile is not online00:07
jpinxconnected to laptop by usb00:07
ShadowJKWell it's easier if you put them both on wifi00:07
ShadowJKthan setting up usb networking00:07
jpinxI had usb networking years ago on this n900 - but I've totally ofgotten how it was set up00:08
DocScrutinizer05[15.06.2012 22:57:17] <DocScrutinizer05> pair the device to your home WLAN00:08
DocScrutinizer05[15.06.2012 22:58:50] <DocScrutinizer05> (replace IP in above URL by the one your N900 obtained from AP DHCP)00:08
jpinxno wifi here - it's connected by usb00:08
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ShadowJKOr then if you don't have usb networking, first on N900 (with N900 disconnected from usb) make a copy of hte files you want into /home/user/MyDocs, and then connect N900 to usb00:09
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: 22:55 < jpinx> I've plugged my n900 into the usb on my linux laptop and it automatically mounts the filesystem, but  apparently not at root. How do I get it to mount the  n900 / so I can see the phonebooks etc ?00:09
DocScrutinizer05well, then you should have a IP associated with USB on PC, and a route to the IP of N900 (usually +1)00:09
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ShadowJKWell basically you can't make it mount root over USB. root isn't even a block device, so it can't even be exported over usb00:10
DocScrutinizer05I think this is like the third time we explained that now00:11
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jpinxifconfig is not showing me a usb connection, but there is something called pan0 --  is that it?00:13
ShadowJKno that's bluetooth00:14
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jpinxShadowJK: reference your idea to copy and transfer - that was what I did first out, but where s the phone book in the filesystem?00:16
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: for USB networking you need to select PC-suite mode00:16
DocScrutinizer05on N90000:16
jpinx....  in the filesystem as shown by the filemanager00:16
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: ok - let me try that00:17
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DocScrutinizer05lsmod|grep cdc00:18
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: cool . now I got usb0 and usbpn000:18
DocScrutinizer05-> cdc_ether00:18
jpinxbut no IP associated00:18
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DocScrutinizer05just adapt the IP addr and NIc name00:20
DocScrutinizer05make sure you don't use same subnet as your standard network on PC00:21
jpinxwhere do I get the IP's ?00:21
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DocScrutinizer05I.E when your PC has IP, you should use 192.168.1.xx for N900 and USB00:22
jpinxifconfig lists the usb0 and usbpn0 but withour IPS00:22
ShadowJK/home/user/.osso-abook but don't ask me how to read the files in that directory, I have no clue :P00:22
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: /sbin/ifconfig usb0 netmask
DocScrutinizer05jpinx: /sbin/route add -host dev usb000:23
DocScrutinizer05but, as mentioned before, don't use these addr when your PC has same range IP addr00:24
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: how do I know that is the right IP?00:24
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DocScrutinizer05It basicaly doesn't matter which IP you use, afaik00:24
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: ifconfig usb0 shows me no IP00:24
DocScrutinizer05you should however check on N900 xterm what ifconfig says there00:25
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05:  on the n900 ifconfig usb0 gives me inet addr:
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DocScrutinizer05aaah so it's .2.00:26
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DocScrutinizer05jpinx: /sbin/route add -host dev usb000:26
DocScrutinizer05on PC00:26
DocScrutinizer05after /sbin/ifconfig usb0 netmask
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: on laptop route add -host dev usb0 gives me network is down00:27
DocScrutinizer05but again, check that your standard gateway on PC (eth0?) does NOT use 192.168.2.x00:28
jpinxeth0 not showing a IP - not connected00:28
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DocScrutinizer05btw you *need* to quit networkmanager on PC00:29
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DocScrutinizer05it will interfere with manual NIC config00:29
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: I use wicd00:29
DocScrutinizer05(or at least I found no way to make it play nice with USB networking)00:30
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ShadowJKit mostly just touches it on start for me, and then when I manually cahnge stuff via commandline it doesn't notice and does nothing00:30
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jpinxwicd doesnt seem to be doing anything with non-wifi connections unless there is no signal00:31
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: got ssh to root in n900 - what's the root password? ;)00:36
DocScrutinizer05whatever you typed when sshd installation asked you00:36
Atariithere isn't one00:36
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DocScrutinizer05there is when you installed sshd via HAM00:37
DocScrutinizer05when you installed via apt-get, you're out of luck00:37
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: ok- maybe I did that 3 years ago - how do I hack the password ;)00:37
DocScrutinizer05but then, you should have root access via "root" cmd anyway, otherwise you couldn't use apt-get00:37
Atariican't you ssh in as normal user00:38
DocScrutinizer05HACK the password????00:38
Atariithen sudo gainroot00:38
Atariithen change /etc/passwd?00:38
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: I have "root" installed on the n90000:38
jpinxDocScrutinizer05: of course - silly me :)00:38
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jpinxDocScrutinizer05: I'm in - thanks for the kick up my arse ;)00:40
* jpinx will be back in a few weeks to sort out the internet connection of the netbook using the n900's mobile network00:42
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jpinxShadowJK: found the addressbook  - and lots of other goodies - thanks :)00:48
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DocScrutinizer05KNOW WHAT? konqueror has "ads filter" built in ;-P00:50
DocScrutinizer0540s dannoyelay solved00:51
ShadowJKThe most annoying part about ads is how they prevent rest of page rendering before ads load, and the ad server are always fucking slow00:52
DocScrutinizer05yeah, in fact the 40 s delay here vanished when DEactivating the fubar filter00:53
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v1_RAG3konqueror is well underated.00:58
v1_RAG3at least from the kde 3.5 days00:58
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Ken-YoungThere are certain programs that Maemo launches on my N900 at boot time which I don't use, such as modest.   To save resources, I have renamed the executable files for those programs, which certainly keeps the OS from starting them.   But I worry that this technique is inelegant and might lead to the OS repeatedly trying to launch the app.   Is there a better way to disable prelaunched Maemo 5 components that I care nothing about?01:10
DocScrutinizer05nowadays everything has to be pastel shade and gray in gray (KDE fsckng theme), and as stupid as the manufs/devels are and think the users are too: see dolphin instead of konqueror now in KDE401:10
DocScrutinizer05find where they get started, comment out that01:11
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Sc0rpiuswell you didn't need to rename the programs01:11
Ken-YoungYeah, I looked, but was not clever enough to figure out what launched them.01:11
Sc0rpiusyou could have deleted/moved/removed the .desktop files01:11
Ken-YoungSc0rpius, Is that any better?01:12
Ken-YoungI agree the GOod Doctor's suggestion is the right thing to do.   I just haven't figured out how to do it.01:13
Sc0rpiusjust remove/rename the .desktop file of the app that bothers you in  /usr/share/applications/hildon01:13
Sc0rpiusand reboot the phone.01:13
DocScrutinizer05not remove desktop files, just comment out the line about x-maemo-preload01:13
Ken-YoungSc0rpius, Why is that preferable to renaming the executable?01:13
Sc0rpiusbecause you could still use the executable after that01:13
Sc0rpiusfor a one time only01:13
Sc0rpiushildon is still trying to start those executables01:14
Sc0rpiussomething like every 10 seconds01:14
Ken-YoungSc0rpius, I thought the desktop file was needed to be able to launch the app without using the command line.01:14
Sc0rpiusso your phone is retrying every 10 seconds and fails every 10 seconds trying to run modest01:14
Sc0rpiusaren't you concerned about that01:14
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Ken-YoungSc0rpius, OK, that's what I was worried might be happening.01:14
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DocScrutinizer05Ken-Young: there are .desktop that come without any icon, and are there just for preloading stuff01:15
Sc0rpiusthe .desktop files are complex files.  For an automatic start/restart/keep always running you'll see lines like:01:15
DocScrutinizer05comment those out01:15
Sc0rpiusyeah you can comment those01:15
Ken-YoungGreat.  Thanks Doc & Sc0rpius !01:15
Sc0rpiuswithout renaming the .desktop.  Don't forget to reboot01:15
DocScrutinizer05or change always -> never01:16
v1_RAG3step 1. Don't rename the executables.  Never go full retard.01:16
Ken-YoungFull retard is my default.01:17
DocScrutinizer05btw it won't help much anyway ;-P01:17
v1_RAG3step 2. Comment out the prestart lines form the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/01:17
DocScrutinizer05unless you change .desktop to .fubar01:17
Ken-YoungI also accept multiple --retard arguments on my command line, for extra stupid behaviour.01:17
DocScrutinizer05the *name* of a .desktop is basically random01:17
v1_RAG3step 3. Start investigating the files in /etc/X11/, Xsession.d and /etc/event.d to stop startup programs.01:18
DocScrutinizer05not much in there01:18
v1_RAG3DocScrutinizer05: there is some and we do not know exactly what the young man is trying to prohibit starting.01:19
v1_RAG3To make modest F-OFF switch off mail checking when connected thing.01:19
DocScrutinizer05well, not even starting modest seems a reasonable approach01:21
DocScrutinizer05grep -R X-Maemo-Prestar /usr/share/applications/ ;-D01:21
v1_RAG3DocScrutinizer05: Get in!01:21
Ken-YoungI was completely unaware that the desktop files contained that information.01:22
v1_RAG3Ken-Young: few people are.01:22
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DocScrutinizer05worked quite nice with X-Maemo-Prestarted=always; alas it got relaunched whenever I decided to quit xchat01:23
DocScrutinizer05since Hildon Desktop not only starts these, but also monitors them and restarts whenever any of them quites01:24
MohammadAGWhy reboot?01:25
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* DocScrutinizer05 frowns at /usr/share/applications/hildon/nokia-maps.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=none /usr/share/applications/hildon/worldclock.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=never01:25
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DocScrutinizer05MohammadAG: becuase it's fun ;-)01:27
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Sc0rpiusrestarting hildon-desktop always leaves a mess01:42
Sc0rpiusI prefer reboot.01:42
Sc0rpiusI think it's hildon-home what you have to restart in this case, not sure01:43
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DocScrutinizer05it's questionable if this will tear down preloaded processes01:45
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Guest28766Has anybody an idea why I get:01:56
Guest28766dpkg: regarding .../gcc-4.6-base_4.6.1-maemo6_armel.deb containing gcc-4.6-base:01:56
Guest28766 package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg01:56
Guest28766(I am trying to upgrade a scratchbox to CSSU)01:56
Sc0rpiusare you installing armel packages in scratchbox?????01:59
Woody14619Yay.. Friday.  See you all Monday!  Have a great weekend!02:07
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DocScrutinizer05anyway, if somebody interested:
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Ken-YoungGotta bookmark that!02:19
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: sorry I abused your device for that ;-D02:23
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: but now USB also tested ;-)02:23
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DocScrutinizer05btw anybody enlighten me please WTF: *      UH    0      0        0 usb002:29
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DocScrutinizer05~literal usb-networking02:32
infobot"usb-networking" is ", or"02:32
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DocScrutinizer05~usb-networking is also
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay02:33
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: rootme ;-D02:34
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: though I guess reflashing will be first thing you do anyway02:35
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: could you use a BL-4U?02:42
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ShadowJKdoubt it02:48
ShadowJKlet me check02:48
ShadowJKoh, seems my E75 uses that maybe02:49
ShadowJKthough my E75 is constantly connected to USB these days, as a modem02:50
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DocScrutinizer05am I mistaken or is 192.168.x.x all private range?02:51
Ken-YoungDocScrutinizer, I'm pretty sure that's right.02:52
DocScrutinizer05 :-o02:52
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Hurriancrap, wrong window03:00
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sr71192.168.0.0/16,, are all private rfc1918 space03:51
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GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, selop isn't registered. :P04:22
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: I disassembled my new device. Seems it's actually no repair or refurbish05:10
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ShadowJKdemo devices?05:13
* GeneralAntilles facepalms at the council meeting logs.05:14
DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: possible. Exposure devices or sth05:21
DocScrutinizer05from some display05:21
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* DocScrutinizer05 prefers headdesking05:30
GeneralAntillesMy head is hard.05:30
GeneralAntillesMy desk is hard.05:30
DocScrutinizer05emergency account, PFFFFF05:31
DocScrutinizer05OMFG only 4 chanops around, we're screwed whenever something bad happens05:31
DocScrutinizer05and we're screwed when Nokia pulls the plug on tmo05:32
DocScrutinizer05and we're screwed when we don't find a way out of our maze05:32
GeneralAntillesSOMEONE SET US UP THE BOMB05:33
infobotDocScrutinizer05: :)05:33
DocScrutinizer05~nuke tmo05:33
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tmo ... B☢☢M!05:33
DocScrutinizer05hah, that codepage missing in recent fedora install05:34
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: what makes council think IRC needs supervision by our ambassadors err kings arrr councils?05:46
DocScrutinizer05what are chanops for when we need council account to deal with emergencies?05:46
DocScrutinizer05what makes council think being council qualified for managing IRC?05:47
LaoLang_coolhi, anyone using latest testing version of fmms05:47
LaoLang_coolauto-rotation's performance is bad05:48
LaoLang_cooltake too much time to re-arrange the page of mms when rotating05:48
DocScrutinizer05and who T F said council was meant to "take responsibility" and define rules and policies all over the place?05:49
DocScrutinizer05IIRC council was meant to know what's going on in community, to speak "with one voice" to Nokia. And vice versa, explain to community what Nokia is doing05:50
DocScrutinizer05the rules and policies all already exist, it just seems current council isn't happy with them05:51
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: you got any statistics whatsoever about how much channel moderation/'operation' been needed during last year?05:56
GeneralAntillesI don't05:56
GeneralAntillesBut it aint much.05:56
DocScrutinizer05we might search chanlogs for "chanserv gives +o"05:56
DocScrutinizer05shared emergency account, homegrown made up policies about how to nominate chanops - I'm going to headdesk a bit more, just for the fun in it05:58
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DocScrutinizer05WTF do we need any council to "supervise" IRC when every user can ping any chanop and chan founder directly, as to be found on /msg chanserv access #maemo list ?05:59
GeneralAntillesOr freaking hit a staffer if it's a real emergency.06:00
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DocScrutinizer05freenode suggests this on every single login MOTD06:00
DocScrutinizer05/stats -p06:01
DocScrutinizer05/join #freenode06:01
jrayhawki thought freenode had an eighteen month backlog of support requests06:02
GeneralAntillesjrayhawk, for registering contacts06:03
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GeneralAntillesnot for dealing with spam'n'shit06:03
DocScrutinizer05or with trolls06:06
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DocScrutinizer05or with phantom bouncers that make users start to cry06:08
DocScrutinizer05(cheers lcuk, we for sure could use some of your friendly reasonable way to comment on things now)06:10
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DocScrutinizer05oooh here it is, plain text:  No, I don't recall ever having seen such statement anywhere in council manifest and associated wiki pages, or anything else06:19
DocScrutinizer05the responsibilities of coucil are clearly about council first and foremost, about coordination of meetings, about funding and hiring professional support06:20
GeneralAntillesCouncil's job is facilitation primarily.06:20
GeneralAntillesThat also involves a bit of administrative overhead.06:20
DocScrutinizer05yeah, that's the job. Not the responsibilities06:21
GeneralAntillesEr, right06:21
GeneralAntillesI speak English.06:21
GeneralAntillesI promise.06:21
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robbiethe1stTo be honest, I'm glad I haven't gotten involved with the Council... Seems like a bunch of drama/baby-sitting... :\06:22
DocScrutinizer05it seems to me parts of council try to enforce responsibility and "might" since they lack those coming naturally from merits and respect for what they did and do06:23
GeneralAntillesThe ITT -> Talk changeover was a fun one.06:23
robbiethe1stDidn't we just, erm, add a DNS record there and some minor code to change links appropriately?06:23
GeneralAntillesThe theme was changed06:24
GeneralAntillesIt was like running full-speed into a termite mound.06:24
DocScrutinizer05and honestly all that naggedinagg and yaggediyag about IRC is moot, as #maemo is a trademark of Nokia, and thus nobody of council will ever become GC, since that would need to go past Nokia's lawyers, of nothing else06:25
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DocScrutinizer05s/ of no/ if no/06:27
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: and honestly all that naggedinagg and yaggediyag about IRC is moot, as #maemo is a trademark of Nokia, and thus nobody of council will ever become GC, since that would need to go past Nokia's lawyers, if nothing else06:27
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DocScrutinizer05GeneralAntilles: btw, you ever noticed strange behaviour of tmo regarding construction of links on any page?06:28
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GeneralAntillesConstruction of links in posts?06:29
DocScrutinizer05invoke a page as itt/xy and all the links are also itt06:29
DocScrutinizer05invoke it as IP/xy and the links on that page are IP/a IP/b ...06:29
GeneralAntillesFile a bug?06:29
DocScrutinizer05and even change notification mail in that case has an URL based on IP ;-P06:30
DocScrutinizer05honestly we should kick that out and just have a CNAME record for itt06:31
DocScrutinizer05from my noobish POV on how HTTP etc works06:32
DocScrutinizer05still you get more google hits to ITT than to tmo usually06:32
DocScrutinizer05which is kinda odd06:32
DocScrutinizer05and quite conventiently annoying, regarding anything like auto-login based on URL06:33
DocScrutinizer05well, filing a bug feels ... futile when the bug is against tmo infra06:35
DocScrutinizer05maybe I'm mistaken on that06:35
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^ RFC06:36
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robbiethe1stResistance is futile?06:44
robbiethe1st(when ohms <1)06:44
robbiethe1st[is tired. Ignore anything I say]06:45
robbiethe1st{For some reason, which I do not know}06:45
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Guest28766Sc0rpius, yes how would I otherwise build for armel???10:23
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ED-209does anyone here use pwnie express?10:26
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ED-209I realise people probably hate the pwnie express guy for pilfering all the stuff off here and selling it, but I installed it on my spare n900 and there are a few things that don't quite work10:32
ED-209not sure how to properly update them10:33
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: I know sometimes it is messing up but no can do...13:07
chem|stitt is still itt13:08
infobotsomebody said itt was the forums on ( )13:08
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merlin1991anybody else who can't login to tmo using rekonq?16:03
merlin1991hm seems to be the fsckd caching of rekonq16:05
merlin1991totally fucked up16:05
DocScrutinizer06chem|st: wow, it "just works" - why did I see so many URLs where it didn't?16:08
Guest28766Is anybody else running a scratchbox with CSSU?16:09
Guest28766I run into16:09
Guest28766dpkg: regarding .../x11proto-input-dev_2.0-3-meego392+0m6_all.deb containing x11proto-input-dev:16:09
Guest28766 package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg16:09
Guest28766wondering why I seem to be the only one with that issue.16:10
Guest28766Are all other people using a scratchbox alternative?16:10
Guest28766Here is the source of the x11proto... package16:11
merlin1991Guest28766: are you in a maemo5 rootstrap16:12
merlin1991or insdie a maemo4 one?16:12
DocScrutinizer06chem|st: lol ->>16:13
DocScrutinizer06HaleBopp:~ # host talk.maemo.org16:13 is an alias for has address
merlin1991Guest28766: the cssu repo only has armel packages16:16
merlin1991thus you're not goign to install anything cssu on your X86 target16:16
DocScrutinizer06chem|st: seems like works just nice, while does really not16:17
Guest28766merlin1991, ok, but I see a similar issue on armel:16:17
DocScrutinizer06chem|st: very puzzling16:18
infobotit has been said that usb-networking is, or, or
merlin1991something has to be wrong with your sb16:18
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merlin1991Guest28766: what does dpkg --verison say? (mine is (i386))16:19
DocScrutinizer06ooh, lol. I'm even more puzzled, might I have mixed up some complaints about with
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Guest28766is the issue on armel16:21
DocScrutinizer06chem|st: GeneralAntilles: sorry for mixing stuff - see
merlin1991Guest28766: you seem to have a completely foobar scratchbox16:22
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Guest28766What do you mean with foobar?16:23
infobotfubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything.16:23
Guest28766thanks :-)16:23
Guest28766why, what is your dpkg version?16:24
SpeedEvilDoes gay lisp use especially curly brackets?16:24
Guest28766oh, I see16:24
Guest28766can you please post apt-cache policy dpkg16:24
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Guest28766and your sources.list?16:24
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Guest28766merlin1991 can you help with the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"?16:26
Guest28766I need to leave now, please post anyways, I will read the irclogs16:27
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merlin1991looks like you have some harmattan sources there at some point16:30
Guest28766hmm....that is mine16:31
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Guest28766you do not even have cssu?16:33
merlin1991I've compiled the packages locally and installed them by hand :D16:33
merlin1991Guest28766: one important thing when running a cssu scratchbox16:34
merlin1991you have to disable extras / extras-something16:34
Guest28766what does your apt-cache policy dpkg show?16:34
merlin1991there are some libs / updated tools in there that fuck you up16:34
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Guest28766that has probably bidden me :-(16:35
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merlin1991aso you don't need to enable all 3 repos16:35
merlin1991because -devel contains everything16:35
merlin1991-testing is a smaller subset of -devel and extras is an even smaller subset of testing16:35
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Guest28766ok, thanks, need to continue later.16:38
Guest28766can you give me your "apt-cache policy dpkg" output16:39
merlin1991Guest28766: dpkg is actually the same16:40
merlin1991I didn't realize that I was in the harmattan scratchbox :D16:40
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merlin1991I hate the new muon updater, you never know if it works or just crashed16:44
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: afaics only the category-tree link is somewhat hardcoded...16:58
chem|stor I have no idea what you are taking 'bout16:58
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: look at
DocScrutinizer05watch what all the href-tags URLs look like16:59
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chem|stthe no-fwd of forums.itt is meant to be afair17:02
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: for tmo and itt it seems we got two vhosts on same IP, and the "root" is some weird stuff not related to tmo at all17:03
DocScrutinizer05I agree though that there's no such problem of not forwarding itt/subpages to tmo/subpage. seems to work like it should - I seem to recall that's been different17:05
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chem|sthttp:// is all valid xhtml..17:07
chem|stwell not really but the links are17:07
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: what you mean to know about tmo itt problem is that google does value tmo & itt for the same search but usually shows only itt OR tmo links17:09
DocScrutinizer05that's not the point17:09
chem|stthe root?17:09
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chem|stI mean the href-tags17:10
DocScrutinizer05I'm just trying to sort my stuff, as it seems wmo isn't notifying me about changes anymore17:10
DocScrutinizer05or the notification mails go to dev/null17:10
DocScrutinizer05watch all the URLs in this notification mail being based on IP instead of proper DNS-URL17:14
chem|stoh now I get you17:14
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chem|sthavent got any lately, will have a look though17:15
chem|stwho is maintaining the server behind wmo17:15
DocScrutinizer05it's only happening if somebody is changing something on instead of wiki.maemo.org17:16
DocScrutinizer05sorry for confusion caused by me mixing up tmo and wmo issues17:17
chem|stI have no idea what midgard does with pages either, have you tried?17:18
DocScrutinizer05not yet17:18
chem|stthe wmo stup just shows that someone forgot to enter the root in the settings17:18
chem|stthe NPO website I maintain has some fancy url setup which brakes with typo-light, in terms of wmo I cannot enter the backend from wmo but from the serverURL17:21
chem|stand I cannot have both working for some reason17:21
chem|stit is the typo-I-have-many-websites-with-one-backend thing17:22
DocScrutinizer05I can't say I completely follow, but seems you tracked it down to some rootcause17:22
chem|styou may invoke if fwd to that ip17:24
chem|styou may not do that if the root is set to wmo17:25
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chem|stfreenode is done with their service update^^17:25
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chem|stthat fwd thing happened to work for -> cdu.de17:27
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DocScrutinizerlemme check those bookmarks I found:
DocScrutinizer05well, does NOT forward to
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: ^^^17:36
chem|stthat forums.itt not fwd is ok, what is that wiki link?17:37
chem|stI get an emoty page from that17:38
DocScrutinizer05which results in my browser not doing auto-login and not showing correct theme consequently17:38
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DocScrutinizer05nfc about   -  it's been a valid page once17:39
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DocScrutinizer05it would be pretty unfortunate to see such stuff bitrot and vanish17:40
zeqis it possible to use system fakeroot instead of the bundled version?17:40
DocScrutinizer05yw kloeri :-D17:40
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: why is not supposed to forward to the identical ?17:42
DocScrutinizer05it's friggin inconvenient17:42
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zeq_freemangordon: I'm attempting to set up a dev env for FREEMANTLE_ARMEL_GCC462. How do I boostrap?18:00
zeqI have the standard SDK installed on top of Gentoo.18:01
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TofeHello !18:05
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Tranquilllityzeq: how did you install it on gentoo?18:16
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chem|stDocScrutinizer05: it is no fwd it is an alias, ask reggie to fwd instead of aliasing if you like, I do not care18:22
zeqTranquilllity: I've used mostly portage ebuilds, a few local ones to fill in the holes18:22
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zeqI've worked out I have a problem with the toolchain setup atm18:23
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: well, where's reggie?18:23
zeqthat's why fakeroot isn't working18:23
DocScrutinizer05chem|st: I'd also like to ask him about stale pages like the link in
chem|stDocScrutinizer05: offline :)18:24
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zeqit's working for FREMANTLE_ARMEL now18:24
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zeqobviously I'm doing something wrong with the new target18:25
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zeqfakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps isn't working though18:27
zeqcan't find the packages, something's wrong with the repo list???18:28
_freemangordonzeq: using sb-menu setup a new target18:28
_freemangordonFREMANTLE_THUmb for example18:28
_freemangordonchoose gcc4.6.2 as compiler18:28
zeqokay trying now18:29
zeqnever used sb before :)18:29
_freemangordonchoose perl:debian-etch:qemu:doctools:svn:git as devkit packages18:29
_freemangordonchoose maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz as rootstrap18:31
_freemangordonwhen asked to install files, choose everything but "C"18:31
zeqI don't have the above rootstrap?18:32
_freemangordonyou should download it from nokia, NFC wehere exactly18:32
_freemangordonzeq: there should be installer somewhere, you'd better use it18:33
zeqfound it18:40
Tranquilllitycan you give me the link?18:41
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zeq_freemangordon: not "C-library", "C-runtime"18:45
_freemangordonwhat are "C" options?18:46
_freemangordonI remember it was the second you have to unckech18:46
* Macer stares at his n900 totally collecting dust18:46
zeqoops then :)18:46
Macerpoor thing18:47
Maceri would shove my att sim in it but who the hell wants to use edge?18:47
* Macer goes to ebay it for $50 heh18:47
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zeqoptions were: "C-library", "C-runtime"18:47
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_freemangordonzeq: well, can't remember exactly, besides it was the second from top18:48
zeqI'll do it again later, I need to go out for a while...18:49
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DocScrutinizer05dafaq is going on with /ns help18:59
DocScrutinizer051h ago:19:00
DocScrutinizer05[16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- If a registered nick is not used by the owner for 150 days,19:00
DocScrutinizer05[16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- NickServ will drop the nickname, allowing it to be reregistered.19:00
DocScrutinizer05now those 2 lines are missing again19:00
brikperhaps they did an upgrade of some sort and forgot to edit the help text?19:01
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zeqfreemangordon: what now? fakeroot still isn't working...19:16
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zeqfreemangordon: probably, I installed the toolchain incorrectly19:17
zeqI just extracted the tar.gz into /scratchbox/compilers19:18
zeqI notice there's no target_setup.sh19:19
zequnlike the portage installed toolchain19:19
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DocScrutinizer05well, the miracle got solved: the nick pruning been a one-shot event.19:32
DocScrutinizer05which seems resulted in >50% of registered nicks got dropped19:32
freemangordonzeq: you should choose that compiler when setting up the target19:37
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M4rtinKX-Fade: looks like new users that request Extras-Devel upload rights just receive a message from from some guy about leaving Nokia on 30th of April21:04
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M4rtinKanyone knows whats happening and how this can be fixed ? or who to contact about this ?21:05
M4rtinKthe message in question:
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ElleoM4rtinK: I got that e-mail but I also got enabled for access to extras-devel a couple of weeks ago (shortly after applying)21:22
Elleoso presumably the system sends out an automated e-mail to a number of different people with approval rights, and it's just one of them that happens to have an auto-responder set up21:23
M4rtinKyeah, that could be it21:23
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M4rtinKbut it should still be fixed21:24
M4rtinKit confuses the hell out of new developers21:24
M4rtinKand the autobuilder is still an important part of the infrastructure21:24
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M4rtinKbtw, any idea whats the status of the proposed OBS for Fremantle ? :)21:26
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TofeIs there a keyring, in maemo ? or something similar to store passwords ?  -- I doubt it, as all the passwords are in clear, but maybe I've missed a point...21:45
Tofe(anyway, what would be the key ? there isn't even a password for the root account... Maybe the Pin number would be a first step, but 4 numbers is quite weak.)21:47
Sicelothere isn't21:48
ElleoM4rtinK: I'd guess that X-Fade would be the best person to ask about that21:49
TofeOk, well, I'll do my best not to shout the password on the roof, then21:49
Sicelopassword for what Tofe?21:52
Tofefor the little application I'm writing these days21:52
Tofeabout syncing a webdav account against a local folder21:52
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zeqfreemangordon: I'm back now. I'm trying to figure out how to install custom toolchains in scratchbox.22:22
M4rtinKElleo: yeah, I've already pinged him here & the Saera developer wrote him a PM :)22:22
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zeqfreemangordon: I think I have it figured it out. I need to build fakeroot from the device_tools in sb-toolchain-extras23:04
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DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: sorry, postoffice been closed when I resumed from hibernate today23:20
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DocScrutinizer51did I already mention thios b2b-connector at mobo end of FPC is a friggin b*tch? Not only because of 3 layers with solderpoints/vias, but primarily for goddamn inconvenoience to plug it in23:24
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Estel_heh, lately, I perfected putting it back. It's really equilibristic, damn thing require telekinesis to plug23:25
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Estel_basically, it requires targetting at 3 axis, like docking space shuttle to ISS :P23:25
Estel_hardest point of assembling N900 back, IMO23:26
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Estel_once, I even managed to torn it a little at left side.23:26
Estel_which is nothing, compared to how I screwed my main N900 during last tests - whole part of pcb with usb port and charging chip had to be cut off, to even boot device23:27
Estel_side effect - camera doesnt work too, despite fact, that - apparently - camera module is ok23:28
* Estel_ is waiting for replacement unit, to take motherboard off and put into my shiny case + screen)23:28
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