| ShadowJK | what | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ShadowJK | jpinx, where did you execute fdisk -l? | 00:00 |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: in the laptop | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually sftp://root@192.168.1.41 | 00:00 |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: I am looking for the n900 as plugged in | 00:00 |
| *** etrunko has quit IRC | 00:01 | |
| ShadowJK | jpinx, in mass storage mode, N900 exports two devices, the MyDocs partition, and the microsd first partition (I think), so you don't see a partition table | 00:01 |
| _rd | Is proxytunnel/tsocks on the n900 available, in case I am in a restricted hotel/public/foreign wireless network? | 00:01 |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: bugger :( | 00:02 |
| *** phryk has quit IRC | 00:02 | |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: sftp not recognised by my browser :( | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | The data that's exported over mass storage becomes inaccessible on the N900 itself, so it can't do it for critical data | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | _rd, I see tsocks | 00:03 |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: I only want read access... | 00:04 |
| *** FIQ has joined #maemo | 00:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: sftp root@192.168.1.41 - in xterm | 00:05 |
| ShadowJK | needs openssh on n900 | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [15.06.2012 22:57:28] <DocScrutinizer05> install SSHD | 00:05 |
| *** v1_RAG3 has joined #maemo | 00:06 | |
| ShadowJK | filezilla should do sftp if you want point and click | 00:06 |
| jpinx | 192.168.1.41 port 22: No route to host :( | 00:06 |
| ShadowJK | is it connected to wifi? | 00:07 |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: the mobile is not online | 00:07 |
| jpinx | connected to laptop by usb | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | Well it's easier if you put them both on wifi | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | than setting up usb networking | 00:07 |
| jpinx | I had usb networking years ago on this n900 - but I've totally ofgotten how it was set up | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [15.06.2012 22:57:17] <DocScrutinizer05> pair the device to your home WLAN | 00:08 |
| jpinx | *forgotten | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [15.06.2012 22:58:50] <DocScrutinizer05> (replace IP in above URL by the one your N900 obtained from AP DHCP) | 00:08 |
| jpinx | no wifi here - it's connected by usb | 00:08 |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 00:09 | |
| ShadowJK | Or then if you don't have usb networking, first on N900 (with N900 disconnected from usb) make a copy of hte files you want into /home/user/MyDocs, and then connect N900 to usb | 00:09 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: 22:55 < jpinx> I've plugged my n900 into the usb on my linux laptop and it automatically mounts the filesystem, but apparently not at root. How do I get it to mount the n900 / so I can see the phonebooks etc ? | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then you should have a IP associated with USB on PC, and a route to the IP of N900 (usually +1) | 00:09 |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 00:10 | |
| ShadowJK | Well basically you can't make it mount root over USB. root isn't even a block device, so it can't even be exported over usb | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think this is like the third time we explained that now | 00:11 |
| *** hazchemix has quit IRC | 00:11 | |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 00:12 | |
| jpinx | ifconfig is not showing me a usb connection, but there is something called pan0 -- is that it? | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | no that's bluetooth | 00:14 |
| jpinx | :( | 00:14 |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 00:14 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 00:14 | |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 00:14 | |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 00:14 | |
| *** konelix has quit IRC | 00:14 | |
| *** konelix has joined #maemo | 00:15 | |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: reference your idea to copy and transfer - that was what I did first out, but where s the phone book in the filesystem? | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: for USB networking you need to select PC-suite mode | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on N900 | 00:16 |
| jpinx | .... in the filesystem as shown by the filemanager | 00:16 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ok - let me try that | 00:17 |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 00:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lsmod|grep cdc | 00:18 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: cool . now I got usb0 and usbpn0 | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -> cdc_ether | 00:18 |
| jpinx | but no IP associated | 00:18 |
| *** rd_ has joined #maemo | 00:19 | |
| *** rd_ is now known as Guest28766 | 00:19 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just adapt the IP addr and NIc name | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | make sure you don't use same subnet as your standard network on PC | 00:21 |
| jpinx | where do I get the IP's ? | 00:21 |
| *** _rd has quit IRC | 00:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E when your PC has IP 192.168.0.55, you should use 192.168.1.xx for N900 and USB | 00:22 |
| jpinx | ifconfig lists the usb0 and usbpn0 but withour IPS | 00:22 |
| ShadowJK | /home/user/.osso-abook but don't ask me how to read the files in that directory, I have no clue :P | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.15/32 dev usb0 | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but, as mentioned before, don't use these addr when your PC has same range IP addr | 00:24 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: how do I know that is the right IP? | 00:24 |
| *** nsuffys has quit IRC | 00:24 | |
| *** konelix has quit IRC | 00:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It basicaly doesn't matter which IP you use, afaik | 00:24 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ifconfig usb0 shows me no IP | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you should however check on N900 xterm what ifconfig says there | 00:25 |
| *** konelix has joined #maemo | 00:25 | |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: on the n900 ifconfig usb0 gives me inet addr: 192.168.2.15 | 00:26 |
| *** jonne|reconnecte has quit IRC | 00:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah so it's .2. | 00:26 |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 00:26 | |
| jpinx | mask 255.255.255.0 | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jpinx: /sbin/route add -host 192.168.2.15/32 dev usb0 | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on PC | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after /sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 netmask 255.255.255.0 | 00:27 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: on laptop route add -host 192.168.2.15/32 dev usb0 gives me network is down | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but again, check that your standard gateway on PC (eth0?) does NOT use 192.168.2.x | 00:28 |
| jpinx | eth0 not showing a IP - not connected | 00:28 |
| *** hazchemix has joined #maemo | 00:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw you *need* to quit networkmanager on PC | 00:29 |
| *** Dibblah has quit IRC | 00:29 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it will interfere with manual NIC config | 00:29 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I use wicd | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (or at least I found no way to make it play nice with USB networking) | 00:30 |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 00:30 | |
| ShadowJK | it mostly just touches it on start for me, and then when I manually cahnge stuff via commandline it doesn't notice and does nothing | 00:30 |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 00:30 | |
| *** niwakame|away has quit IRC | 00:31 | |
| jpinx | wicd doesnt seem to be doing anything with non-wifi connections unless there is no signal | 00:31 |
| *** niwakame|away has joined #maemo | 00:32 | |
| *** konelix has quit IRC | 00:32 | |
| *** konelix has joined #maemo | 00:32 | |
| *** habmala has joined #maemo | 00:34 | |
| *** ced117 has quit IRC | 00:35 | |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: got ssh to root in n900 - what's the root password? ;) | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever you typed when sshd installation asked you | 00:36 |
| Atarii | there isn't one | 00:36 |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 00:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there is when you installed sshd via HAM | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you installed via apt-get, you're out of luck | 00:37 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: ok- maybe I did that 3 years ago - how do I hack the password ;) | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but then, you should have root access via "root" cmd anyway, otherwise you couldn't use apt-get | 00:37 |
| Atarii | can't you ssh in as normal user | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HACK the password???? | 00:38 |
| Atarii | then sudo gainroot | 00:38 |
| Atarii | then change /etc/passwd? | 00:38 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I have "root" installed on the n900 | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | root | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | passwd | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mypassword | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mypassword | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *profit* | 00:38 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: of course - silly me :) | 00:38 |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 00:39 | |
| *** dos11 has joined #maemo | 00:40 | |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer05: I'm in - thanks for the kick up my arse ;) | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 00:40 |
| * jpinx will be back in a few weeks to sort out the internet connection of the netbook using the n900's mobile network | 00:42 | |
| *** guampa has quit IRC | 00:44 | |
| *** e-yes has quit IRC | 00:44 | |
| *** guampa has joined #maemo | 00:47 | |
| *** dos11 has quit IRC | 00:47 | |
| jpinx | ShadowJK: found the addressbook - and lots of other goodies - thanks :) | 00:48 |
| *** dos11 has joined #maemo | 00:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | KNOW WHAT? konqueror has "ads filter" built in ;-P | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 40s dannoyelay solved | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | The most annoying part about ads is how they prevent rest of page rendering before ads load, and the ad server are always fucking slow | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, in fact the 40 s delay here vanished when DEactivating the fubar filter | 00:53 |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 00:54 | |
| *** MrPingu has quit IRC | 00:57 | |
| v1_RAG3 | konqueror is well underated. | 00:58 |
| v1_RAG3 | at least from the kde 3.5 days | 00:58 |
| *** niwakame|away has quit IRC | 01:01 | |
| *** konelix has quit IRC | 01:03 | |
| *** konelix has joined #maemo | 01:05 | |
| *** Ken-Young has joined #maemo | 01:07 | |
| *** niwakame|away has joined #maemo | 01:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:08 |
| Ken-Young | There are certain programs that Maemo launches on my N900 at boot time which I don't use, such as modest. To save resources, I have renamed the executable files for those programs, which certainly keeps the OS from starting them. But I worry that this technique is inelegant and might lead to the OS repeatedly trying to launch the app. Is there a better way to disable prelaunched Maemo 5 components that I care nothing about? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nowadays everything has to be pastel shade and gray in gray (KDE fsckng theme), and as stupid as the manufs/devels are and think the users are too: see dolphin instead of konqueror now in KDE4 | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | find where they get started, comment out that | 01:11 |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 01:11 | |
| Sc0rpius | well you didn't need to rename the programs | 01:11 |
| Ken-Young | Yeah, I looked, but was not clever enough to figure out what launched them. | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | you could have deleted/moved/removed the .desktop files | 01:11 |
| Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, Is that any better? | 01:12 |
| Ken-Young | I agree the GOod Doctor's suggestion is the right thing to do. I just haven't figured out how to do it. | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | just remove/rename the .desktop file of the app that bothers you in /usr/share/applications/hildon | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | and reboot the phone. | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not remove desktop files, just comment out the line about x-maemo-preload | 01:13 |
| Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, Why is that preferable to renaming the executable? | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | because you could still use the executable after that | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | for a one time only | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | also | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | hildon is still trying to start those executables | 01:14 |
| Sc0rpius | something like every 10 seconds | 01:14 |
| Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, I thought the desktop file was needed to be able to launch the app without using the command line. | 01:14 |
| Sc0rpius | so your phone is retrying every 10 seconds and fails every 10 seconds trying to run modest | 01:14 |
| Sc0rpius | aren't you concerned about that | 01:14 |
| *** niwakame|away has quit IRC | 01:14 | |
| Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, OK, that's what I was worried might be happening. | 01:14 |
| *** niwakame|away has joined #maemo | 01:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ken-Young: there are .desktop that come without any icon, and are there just for preloading stuff | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | the .desktop files are complex files. For an automatic start/restart/keep always running you'll see lines like: | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | X-Maemo-Prestarted=always | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000 | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | comment those out | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah you can comment those | 01:15 |
| Ken-Young | Great. Thanks Doc & Sc0rpius ! | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | without renaming the .desktop. Don't forget to reboot | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or change always -> never | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | YW | 01:16 |
| v1_RAG3 | step 1. Don't rename the executables. Never go full retard. | 01:16 |
| Ken-Young | Full retard is my default. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw it won't help much anyway ;-P | 01:17 |
| v1_RAG3 | step 2. Comment out the prestart lines form the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you change .desktop to .fubar | 01:17 |
| Ken-Young | I also accept multiple --retard arguments on my command line, for extra stupid behaviour. | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the *name* of a .desktop is basically random | 01:17 |
| v1_RAG3 | step 3. Start investigating the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.post, Xsession.d and /etc/event.d to stop startup programs. | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not much in there | 01:18 |
| v1_RAG3 | DocScrutinizer05: there is some and we do not know exactly what the young man is trying to prohibit starting. | 01:19 |
| v1_RAG3 | To make modest F-OFF switch off mail checking when connected thing. | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, not even starting modest seems a reasonable approach | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grep -R X-Maemo-Prestar /usr/share/applications/ ;-D | 01:21 |
| v1_RAG3 | DocScrutinizer05: Get in! | 01:21 |
| Ken-Young | I was completely unaware that the desktop files contained that information. | 01:22 |
| v1_RAG3 | Ken-Young: few people are. | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=always | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000 | 01:22 |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 01:22 | |
| *** v1_RAG3 has quit IRC | 01:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | X-P | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /usr/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=500 | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | worked quite nice with X-Maemo-Prestarted=always; alas it got relaunched whenever I decided to quit xchat | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since Hildon Desktop not only starts these, but also monitors them and restarts whenever any of them quites | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | Why reboot? | 01:25 |
| *** niwakame|away has quit IRC | 01:25 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 frowns at /usr/share/applications/hildon/nokia-maps.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=none /usr/share/applications/hildon/worldclock.desktop:X-Maemo-Prestarted=never | 01:25 | |
| *** vi__ has joined #maemo | 01:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG: becuase it's fun ;-) | 01:27 |
| *** ludens has quit IRC | 01:29 | |
| *** WielkiTost has joined #maemo | 01:30 | |
| *** dos11 has quit IRC | 01:30 | |
| *** vi__ has quit IRC | 01:30 | |
| *** niwakame|away has joined #maemo | 01:31 | |
| *** ludens has joined #maemo | 01:31 | |
| *** trx has quit IRC | 01:40 | |
| *** trx has joined #maemo | 01:42 | |
| Sc0rpius | restarting hildon-desktop always leaves a mess | 01:42 |
| Sc0rpius | I prefer reboot. | 01:42 |
| Sc0rpius | I think it's hildon-home what you have to restart in this case, not sure | 01:43 |
| *** net has joined #maemo | 01:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's questionable if this will tear down preloaded processes | 01:45 |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 01:45 | |
| *** sq-one has quit IRC | 01:45 | |
| *** net has quit IRC | 01:47 | |
| *** FIQ has quit IRC | 01:47 | |
| *** federico3 has quit IRC | 01:48 | |
| *** mtnman has joined #maemo | 01:52 | |
| *** uen| has joined #maemo | 01:52 | |
| *** uen| has joined #maemo | 01:53 | |
| *** uen has quit IRC | 01:53 | |
| *** setanta has quit IRC | 01:54 | |
| Guest28766 | Has anybody an idea why I get: | 01:56 |
| Guest28766 | dpkg: regarding .../gcc-4.6-base_4.6.1-maemo6_armel.deb containing gcc-4.6-base: | 01:56 |
| Guest28766 | package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg | 01:56 |
| Guest28766 | (I am trying to upgrade a scratchbox to CSSU) | 01:56 |
| Sc0rpius | are you installing armel packages in scratchbox????? | 01:59 |
| Woody14619 | Yay.. Friday. See you all Monday! Have a great weekend! | 02:07 |
| *** Woody14619 has quit IRC | 02:07 | |
| *** habmala has quit IRC | 02:09 | |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 02:11 | |
| *** onekenthomas has joined #maemo | 02:11 | |
| *** valdyn has quit IRC | 02:12 | |
| *** onekenthomas has quit IRC | 02:13 | |
| *** onekenthomas has joined #maemo | 02:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, if somebody interested: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking | 02:17 |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| Ken-Young | Gotta bookmark that! | 02:19 |
| *** Guest28766 has quit IRC | 02:20 | |
| *** WielkiTost has quit IRC | 02:20 | |
| *** valdyn has joined #maemo | 02:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: sorry I abused your device for that ;-D | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: but now USB also tested ;-) | 02:23 |
| *** mtnman has quit IRC | 02:26 | |
| *** beford has joined #maemo | 02:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw anybody enlighten me please WTF: wap11.kicker.de * 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 usb0 | 02:29 |
| *** mtnman has joined #maemo | 02:30 | |
| *** croppa has joined #maemo | 02:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~literal usb-networking | 02:32 |
| infobot | "usb-networking" is "http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking" | 02:32 |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 02:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~usb-networking is also http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking | 02:32 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: rootme ;-D | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: though I guess reflashing will be first thing you do anyway | 02:35 |
| *** messerting has quit IRC | 02:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: could you use a BL-4U? | 02:42 |
| *** kke has left #maemo | 02:42 | |
| *** M4rtinK has quit IRC | 02:46 | |
| ShadowJK | doubt it | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | let me check | 02:48 |
| ShadowJK | oh, seems my E75 uses that maybe | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fine | 02:49 |
| ShadowJK | though my E75 is constantly connected to USB these days, as a modem | 02:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 stops unpacking | 02:50 | |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 02:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | am I mistaken or is 192.168.x.x all private range? | 02:51 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, I'm pretty sure that's right. | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.robtex.com/dns/wap1.kicker.de.html :-o | 02:52 |
| *** trx has quit IRC | 02:57 | |
| *** Hurrian has joined #maemo | 03:00 | |
| Hurrian | alphachat.net | 03:00 |
| Hurrian | crap, wrong window | 03:00 |
| *** Hurrian has quit IRC | 03:01 | |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 03:04 | |
| *** VemSkaSegra is now known as LjL | 03:11 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 is now known as jOERG_rw | 03:13 | |
| *** jOERG_rw is now known as jOERG_zzZZzz | 03:14 | |
| *** jOERG_zzZZzz is now known as jOERG_42 | 03:14 | |
| *** PeterWolf has joined #maemo | 03:14 | |
| *** jOERG_42 is now known as DocMobilizer | 03:14 | |
| *** mtnman has quit IRC | 03:14 | |
| *** Atarii has quit IRC | 03:14 | |
| *** DocMobilizer is now known as DocScrutinizer-8 | 03:15 | |
| *** dafox has quit IRC | 03:16 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer-8 is now known as DocScrutemp | 03:19 | |
| *** DocScrutemp is now known as DocSiliconizer | 03:19 | |
| *** DocSiliconizer is now known as DigitalPioneer | 03:19 | |
| *** DigitalPioneer is now known as DocAvalanche | 03:25 | |
| *** DocAvalanche is now known as DocScrutinizer__ | 03:32 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer__ is now known as DocScrutinizer_ | 03:32 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer_ is now known as stephenelop | 03:34 | |
| *** stephenelop is now known as DocScrutinizer05 | 03:35 | |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 03:40 | |
| sr71 | 192.168.0.0/16, 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12 are all private rfc1918 space | 03:51 |
| *** Ken-Young has quit IRC | 04:18 | |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, selop isn't registered. :P | 04:22 |
| * GeneralAntilles recalls the Stephan Elop badge from MeeGoSF | 04:23 | |
| *** hurbu has quit IRC | 04:23 | |
| *** ALoGeNo has quit IRC | 04:33 | |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 04:34 | |
| *** trbs has quit IRC | 04:48 | |
| *** ALoGeNo has joined #maemo | 04:51 | |
| *** ALoGeNo has joined #maemo | 04:51 | |
| *** Openfree` has quit IRC | 04:55 | |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 05:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: I disassembled my new device. Seems it's actually no repair or refurbish | 05:10 |
| *** Openfree` has joined #maemo | 05:12 | |
| ShadowJK | demo devices? | 05:13 |
| * GeneralAntilles facepalms at the council meeting logs. | 05:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linky? | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: possible. Exposure devices or sth | 05:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-15.log.html#t2012-06-15T21:31:00 | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from some display | 05:21 |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 05:23 | |
| *** Facefox has quit IRC | 05:24 | |
| *** doc|home has quit IRC | 05:26 | |
| *** radic has quit IRC | 05:28 | |
| *** LaoLang_cool has joined #maemo | 05:29 | |
| * DocScrutinizer05 prefers headdesking | 05:30 | |
| GeneralAntilles | My head is hard. | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | shit | 05:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | My desk is hard. | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | emergency account, PFFFFF | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMFG only 4 chanops around, we're screwed whenever something bad happens | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we're screwed when Nokia pulls the plug on tmo | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we're screwed when we don't find a way out of our maze | 05:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | SOMEONE SET US UP THE BOMB | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 05:33 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05: :) | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~nuke tmo | 05:33 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tmo ... B☢☢M! | 05:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, that codepage missing in recent fedora install | 05:34 |
| *** doc|home has joined #maemo | 05:38 | |
| *** radic has joined #maemo | 05:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: what makes council think IRC needs supervision by our ambassadors err kings arrr councils? | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what are chanops for when we need council account to deal with emergencies? | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what makes council think being council qualified for managing IRC? | 05:47 |
| LaoLang_cool | hi, anyone using latest testing version of fmms | 05:47 |
| LaoLang_cool | auto-rotation's performance is bad | 05:48 |
| LaoLang_cool | take too much time to re-arrange the page of mms when rotating | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and who T F said council was meant to "take responsibility" and define rules and policies all over the place? | 05:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IIRC council was meant to know what's going on in community, to speak "with one voice" to Nokia. And vice versa, explain to community what Nokia is doing | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the rules and policies all already exist, it just seems current council isn't happy with them | 05:51 |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 05:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: you got any statistics whatsoever about how much channel moderation/'operation' been needed during last year? | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't | 05:56 |
| GeneralAntilles | But it aint much. | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we might search chanlogs for "chanserv gives +o" | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shared emergency account, homegrown made up policies about how to nominate chanops - I'm going to headdesk a bit more, just for the fun in it | 05:58 |
| *** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo | 05:59 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF do we need any council to "supervise" IRC when every user can ping any chanop and chan founder directly, as to be found on /msg chanserv access #maemo list ? | 05:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Or freaking hit a staffer if it's a real emergency. | 06:00 |
| *** dockane_ has joined #maemo | 06:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freenode suggests this on every single login MOTD | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /stats -p | 06:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /join #freenode | 06:01 |
| jrayhawk | i thought freenode had an eighteen month backlog of support requests | 06:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | jrayhawk, for registering contacts | 06:03 |
| *** dockane has quit IRC | 06:03 | |
| GeneralAntilles | not for dealing with spam'n'shit | 06:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or with trolls | 06:06 |
| *** nox- has quit IRC | 06:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or with phantom bouncers that make users start to cry | 06:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (cheers lcuk, we for sure could use some of your friendly reasonable way to comment on things now) | 06:10 |
| *** guampa has quit IRC | 06:13 | |
| *** beford has quit IRC | 06:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh here it is, plain text: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2012-06-15.log.html#t2012-06-15T22:02:34 No, I don't recall ever having seen such statement anywhere in council manifest and associated wiki pages, or anything else | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the responsibilities of coucil are clearly about council first and foremost, about coordination of meetings, about funding and hiring professional support | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afair | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Council's job is facilitation primarily. | 06:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | That also involves a bit of administrative overhead. | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's the job. Not the responsibilities | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Er, right | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I speak English. | 06:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | I promise. | 06:21 |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 06:22 | |
| robbiethe1st | To be honest, I'm glad I haven't gotten involved with the Council... Seems like a bunch of drama/baby-sitting... :\ | 06:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Teehee | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems to me parts of council try to enforce responsibility and "might" since they lack those coming naturally from merits and respect for what they did and do | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The ITT -> Talk changeover was a fun one. | 06:23 |
| robbiethe1st | Didn't we just, erm, add a DNS record there and some minor code to change links appropriately? | 06:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | The theme was changed | 06:24 |
| GeneralAntilles | It was like running full-speed into a termite mound. | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly all that naggedinagg and yaggediyag about IRC is moot, as #maemo is a trademark of Nokia, and thus nobody of council will ever become GC, since that would need to go past Nokia's lawyers, of nothing else | 06:25 |
| *** lbt_away has quit IRC | 06:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/ of no/ if no/ | 06:27 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: and honestly all that naggedinagg and yaggediyag about IRC is moot, as #maemo is a trademark of Nokia, and thus nobody of council will ever become GC, since that would need to go past Nokia's lawyers, if nothing else | 06:27 |
| *** lbt_away has joined #maemo | 06:27 | |
| *** lbt_away has quit IRC | 06:27 | |
| *** lbt_away has joined #maemo | 06:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GeneralAntilles: btw, you ever noticed strange behaviour of tmo regarding construction of links on any page? | 06:28 |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 06:28 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Construction of links in posts? | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | invoke a page as itt/xy and all the links are also itt | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | invoke it as IP/xy and the links on that page are IP/a IP/b ... | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Huh | 06:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | File a bug? | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even change notification mail in that case has an URL based on IP ;-P | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly we should kick that out and just have a CNAME record for itt | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from my noobish POV on how HTTP etc works | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still you get more google hits to ITT than to tmo usually | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is kinda odd | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and quite conventiently annoying, regarding anything like auto-login based on URL | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, filing a bug feels ... futile when the bug is against tmo infra | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm mistaken on that | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ RFC | 06:36 |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 06:42 | |
| robbiethe1st | Resistance is futile? | 06:44 |
| robbiethe1st | (when ohms <1) | 06:44 |
| robbiethe1st | [is tired. Ignore anything I say] | 06:45 |
| robbiethe1st | {For some reason, which I do not know} | 06:45 |
| robbiethe1st | <_> | 06:45 |
| *** Dibblah has joined #maemo | 08:07 | |
| *** Dibblah has quit IRC | 08:15 | |
| *** robbiethe1st has quit IRC | 08:20 | |
| *** tuanthanhnt1 has joined #maemo | 08:32 | |
| *** valeriusN has left #maemo | 08:32 | |
| *** valeriusN has joined #maemo | 08:32 | |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 08:34 | |
| *** tuanthanhnt1 has quit IRC | 08:37 | |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 08:48 | |
| *** robink_ is now known as robink | 08:57 | |
| *** robink has joined #maemo | 08:57 | |
| *** buntfalke has joined #maemo | 09:00 | |
| *** Darkchaos has joined #maemo | 09:22 | |
| *** lbt has joined #maemo | 09:22 | |
| *** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC | 09:25 | |
| *** mk8 has joined #maemo | 09:26 | |
| *** DangerMaus has joined #maemo | 09:33 | |
| *** DangerMaus has joined #maemo | 09:33 | |
| *** DangerMaus has quit IRC | 09:36 | |
| *** cyborg-one has quit IRC | 09:39 | |
| *** cyborg-one has joined #maemo | 09:40 | |
| *** muha has joined #maemo | 09:47 | |
| *** mk8 has quit IRC | 09:47 | |
| *** mk8 has joined #maemo | 09:48 | |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 09:48 | |
| *** muha has quit IRC | 09:49 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 09:52 | |
| *** lbt has joined #maemo | 09:55 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 09:55 | |
| *** lbt has joined #maemo | 09:55 | |
| *** valeriusN has left #maemo | 09:58 | |
| *** valeriusN has joined #maemo | 09:59 | |
| *** dhbiker has joined #maemo | 10:03 | |
| *** Lava_Croft has quit IRC | 10:10 | |
| *** Kowalczyk has quit IRC | 10:10 | |
| *** Lava_Croft has joined #maemo | 10:10 | |
| *** Kowalczyk has joined #maemo | 10:11 | |
| *** DrGrov has left #maemo | 10:13 | |
| *** schen has joined #maemo | 10:19 | |
| *** Guest28766 has joined #maemo | 10:21 | |
| Guest28766 | Sc0rpius, yes how would I otherwise build for armel??? | 10:23 |
| *** ED-209 has joined #maemo | 10:26 | |
| ED-209 | hi | 10:26 |
| ED-209 | does anyone here use pwnie express? | 10:26 |
| *** sasquatch has quit IRC | 10:29 | |
| *** utanapischti has joined #maemo | 10:29 | |
| *** nsuffys has joined #maemo | 10:31 | |
| *** e-yes has joined #maemo | 10:32 | |
| ED-209 | I realise people probably hate the pwnie express guy for pilfering all the stuff off here and selling it, but I installed it on my spare n900 and there are a few things that don't quite work | 10:32 |
| ED-209 | not sure how to properly update them | 10:33 |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 10:35 | |
| *** uen| is now known as uen | 10:43 | |
| *** rcg has joined #maemo | 10:47 | |
| *** disco_stu_droid has joined #maemo | 10:52 | |
| *** disco_stu has quit IRC | 10:54 | |
| *** disco_stu_droid is now known as disco_stu | 10:54 | |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 10:56 | |
| *** Arkenoi has joined #maemo | 10:57 | |
| *** habmala has joined #maemo | 10:58 | |
| *** Guest28766 has quit IRC | 11:00 | |
| *** ED-209 has quit IRC | 11:02 | |
| *** dhbiker has joined #maemo | 11:02 | |
| *** eMHa__ has quit IRC | 11:04 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 11:07 | |
| *** Dibblah has joined #maemo | 11:08 | |
| *** lbt has joined #maemo | 11:10 | |
| *** valeriusN has left #maemo | 11:11 | |
| *** valeriusN has joined #maemo | 11:11 | |
| *** nsuffys has quit IRC | 11:14 | |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 11:21 | |
| *** M4rtinK has joined #maemo | 11:25 | |
| *** Atarii has joined #maemo | 11:35 | |
| *** Atarii has quit IRC | 11:35 | |
| *** Atarii has joined #maemo | 11:35 | |
| *** Venemo_N9 has joined #maemo | 11:40 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 11:43 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 11:53 | |
| *** messerting has joined #maemo | 11:56 | |
| *** trx has joined #maemo | 11:57 | |
| *** Venemo_N9 has quit IRC | 11:57 | |
| *** hazchemix has quit IRC | 12:01 | |
| *** _freemangordon has joined #maemo | 12:02 | |
| *** freemangordon has quit IRC | 12:02 | |
| *** Dibblah has quit IRC | 12:05 | |
| *** dhbiker_ has joined #maemo | 12:08 | |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 12:09 | |
| *** dhbiker has joined #maemo | 12:10 | |
| *** WielkiTost has joined #maemo | 12:14 | |
| *** Dibblah has joined #maemo | 12:14 | |
| *** phryk has joined #maemo | 12:16 | |
| *** joga has quit IRC | 12:24 | |
| *** eMHa__ has joined #maemo | 12:27 | |
| *** joga has joined #maemo | 12:28 | |
| *** erstazi has quit IRC | 12:33 | |
| *** ced117 has joined #maemo | 12:34 | |
| *** ced117 has quit IRC | 12:34 | |
| *** ced117 has joined #maemo | 12:34 | |
| *** hazchemix has joined #maemo | 12:42 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 12:54 | |
| *** xnt14 has quit IRC | 12:54 | |
| *** xnt14 has joined #maemo | 12:56 | |
| *** messerting has quit IRC | 12:57 | |
| *** federico3 has joined #maemo | 12:58 | |
| *** FIQ has joined #maemo | 13:01 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: I know sometimes it is messing up but no can do... | 13:07 |
| chem|st | itt is still itt | 13:08 |
| chem|st | ~itt | 13:08 |
| infobot | somebody said itt was the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) | 13:08 |
| *** Cor-Ai has quit IRC | 13:11 | |
| *** Cor-Ai has joined #maemo | 13:12 | |
| *** muha has joined #maemo | 13:14 | |
| *** hazchemix has quit IRC | 13:15 | |
| *** sq-one has joined #maemo | 13:16 | |
| *** schen has quit IRC | 13:27 | |
| *** valdyn has quit IRC | 13:33 | |
| *** hurbu has joined #maemo | 13:34 | |
| *** hazchemix has joined #maemo | 13:35 | |
| *** ZogG_laptop has joined #maemo | 13:37 | |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 13:38 | |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 13:38 | |
| *** valdyn has joined #maemo | 13:40 | |
| *** e-yes_ has joined #maemo | 13:44 | |
| *** muha has quit IRC | 13:46 | |
| *** eijk has joined #maemo | 13:52 | |
| *** iDont has joined #maemo | 13:58 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 13:59 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 13:59 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 13:59 | |
| *** sq-one has quit IRC | 14:01 | |
| *** fuz_ has quit IRC | 14:04 | |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 14:08 | |
| *** maybeArgh has joined #maemo | 14:08 | |
| *** maybeWTF has quit IRC | 14:09 | |
| *** fuz_ has joined #maemo | 14:16 | |
| *** habmala has quit IRC | 14:16 | |
| *** valeriusN has left #maemo | 14:21 | |
| *** valeriusN has joined #maemo | 14:21 | |
| *** Guest28766 has joined #maemo | 14:23 | |
| *** hazchemix has quit IRC | 14:23 | |
| *** fastlane` has joined #maemo | 14:24 | |
| fastlane` | eee | 14:25 |
| fastlane` | :o | 14:25 |
| *** Cor-Ai has quit IRC | 14:28 | |
| *** Cor-Ai has joined #maemo | 14:28 | |
| *** guly has quit IRC | 14:28 | |
| *** guly has joined #maemo | 14:28 | |
| *** calvaris has joined #maemo | 14:31 | |
| *** calvaris has quit IRC | 14:32 | |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 14:33 | |
| *** fastlane` has quit IRC | 14:34 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 14:34 | |
| *** hazchemix has joined #maemo | 14:37 | |
| *** Smily has quit IRC | 14:37 | |
| *** lbt has joined #maemo | 14:40 | |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 14:45 | |
| *** croppa has quit IRC | 14:51 | |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 14:53 | |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 14:53 | |
| *** WielkiTost has quit IRC | 14:56 | |
| *** ruskie is now known as nhOmega | 14:58 | |
| *** nhOmega is now known as ruskie | 14:59 | |
| *** dhbiker has joined #maemo | 15:04 | |
| *** Guest28766 has quit IRC | 15:04 | |
| *** Guest28766 has joined #maemo | 15:05 | |
| *** Mrick0363 has joined #maemo | 15:07 | |
| *** FIQ has quit IRC | 15:08 | |
| *** valerius has quit IRC | 15:10 | |
| *** FIQ has joined #maemo | 15:16 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 15:22 | |
| *** valdyn has quit IRC | 15:23 | |
| *** dafox has joined #maemo | 15:23 | |
| *** guampa has joined #maemo | 15:24 | |
| *** Tranquilllity has joined #maemo | 15:24 | |
| *** erstazi has joined #maemo | 15:24 | |
| *** richard28530 has joined #maemo | 15:28 | |
| *** LaoLang_cool has quit IRC | 15:28 | |
| *** valdyn has joined #maemo | 15:33 | |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 15:38 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC | 15:43 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo | 15:43 | |
| *** sq-one has joined #maemo | 15:43 | |
| *** richard28530 has quit IRC | 15:44 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer06 has joined #maemo | 15:45 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer05 has quit IRC | 15:46 | |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 15:47 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 15:52 | |
| *** otep has quit IRC | 15:53 | |
| *** Guest28766 has quit IRC | 15:57 | |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 16:01 | |
| *** Guest28766 has joined #maemo | 16:01 | |
| merlin1991 | anybody else who can't login to tmo using rekonq? | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | hm seems to be the fsckd caching of rekonq | 16:05 |
| merlin1991 | totally fucked up | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: wow, it "just works" - why did I see so many URLs where it didn't? | 16:08 |
| Guest28766 | Is anybody else running a scratchbox with CSSU? | 16:09 |
| Guest28766 | I run into | 16:09 |
| Guest28766 | dpkg: regarding .../x11proto-input-dev_2.0-3-meego392+0m6_all.deb containing x11proto-input-dev: | 16:09 |
| Guest28766 | package uses Breaks; not supported in this dpkg | 16:09 |
| Guest28766 | wondering why I seem to be the only one with that issue. | 16:10 |
| Guest28766 | Are all other people using a scratchbox alternative? | 16:10 |
| Guest28766 | Here is the source of the x11proto... package | 16:11 |
| Guest28766 | http://paste.kde.org/501326/ | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: are you in a maemo5 rootstrap | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | or insdie a maemo4 one? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: lol ->> | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | HaleBopp:~ # host talk.maemo.org | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | talk.maemo.org is an alias for forums.internettablettalk.com. | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | forums.internettablettalk.com has address 74.86.202.247 | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | http://74.86.202.247 | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: the cssu repo only has armel packages | 16:16 |
| merlin1991 | thus you're not goign to install anything cssu on your X86 target | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: seems like internettablettalk.com/forums works just nice, while forums.internettablettalk.com does really not | 16:17 |
| Guest28766 | merlin1991, ok, but I see a similar issue on armel: | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: very puzzling | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~usb-networking | 16:18 |
| infobot | it has been said that usb-networking is http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking, or http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/usb-networking | 16:18 |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: http://paste.debian.net/174810/ | 16:18 |
| merlin1991 | something has to be wrong with your sb | 16:18 |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 16:19 | |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: what does dpkg --verison say? (mine is 1.15.5.2 (i386)) | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ooh, lol. I'm even more puzzled, might I have mixed up some complaints about wiki.maemo.org with talk.maemo.org? | 16:19 |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 16:20 | |
| Guest28766 | http://paste.kde.org/501350/ | 16:21 |
| Guest28766 | is the issue on armel | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | chem|st: GeneralAntilles: sorry for mixing stuff - see http://80.248.164.233/Main_Page | 16:21 |
| Guest28766 | 1.13.25 | 16:21 |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: you seem to have a completely foobar scratchbox | 16:22 |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 16:22 | |
| Guest28766 | What do you mean with foobar? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | fubar | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer06 | ~fubar | 16:23 |
| infobot | fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. | 16:23 |
| Guest28766 | thanks :-) | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 16:24 |
| Guest28766 | why, what is your dpkg version? | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Does gay lisp use especially curly brackets? | 16:24 |
| Guest28766 | oh, I see | 16:24 |
| Guest28766 | can you please post apt-cache policy dpkg | 16:24 |
| *** otep has joined #maemo | 16:24 | |
| Guest28766 | and your sources.list? | 16:24 |
| *** dafox has quit IRC | 16:24 | |
| *** Chiku|dc has joined #maemo | 16:25 | |
| *** Chiku|dc has joined #maemo | 16:25 | |
| Guest28766 | merlin1991 can you help with the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"? | 16:26 |
| Guest28766 | I need to leave now, please post anyways, I will read the irclogs | 16:27 |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 16:27 | |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: http://paste.debian.net/174812/ | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | looks like you have some harmattan sources there at some point | 16:30 |
| Guest28766 | hmm....that is mine | 16:31 |
| Guest28766 | http://paste.debian.net/174813/ | 16:31 |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 16:32 | |
| Guest28766 | you do not even have cssu? | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | I've compiled the packages locally and installed them by hand :D | 16:33 |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: one important thing when running a cssu scratchbox | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | you have to disable extras / extras-something | 16:34 |
| Guest28766 | what does your apt-cache policy dpkg show? | 16:34 |
| merlin1991 | there are some libs / updated tools in there that fuck you up | 16:34 |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 16:34 | |
| Guest28766 | that has probably bidden me :-( | 16:35 |
| *** messerting has joined #maemo | 16:35 | |
| merlin1991 | aso you don't need to enable all 3 repos | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | because -devel contains everything | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | -testing is a smaller subset of -devel and extras is an even smaller subset of testing | 16:35 |
| *** valeriusN has left #maemo | 16:37 | |
| *** valeriusN has joined #maemo | 16:37 | |
| Guest28766 | ok, thanks, need to continue later. | 16:38 |
| Guest28766 | can you give me your "apt-cache policy dpkg" output | 16:39 |
| merlin1991 | Guest28766: dpkg is actually the same | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | I didn't realize that I was in the harmattan scratchbox :D | 16:40 |
| *** shanttu has joined #maemo | 16:43 | |
| *** Guest28766 has quit IRC | 16:43 | |
| merlin1991 | I hate the new muon updater, you never know if it works or just crashed | 16:44 |
| *** elloworld has joined #maemo | 16:47 | |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 16:48 | |
| *** FIQ has quit IRC | 16:48 | |
| *** elloworld has quit IRC | 16:50 | |
| *** FIQ has joined #maemo | 16:51 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer06 is now known as DocScrutinizer05 | 16:52 | |
| *** lxp has joined #maemo | 16:53 | |
| *** hazchemix has quit IRC | 16:53 | |
| *** lxp1 has quit IRC | 16:55 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: afaics only the category-tree link is somewhat hardcoded... | 16:58 |
| chem|st | or I have no idea what you are taking 'bout | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: look at http://80.248.164.233/Special:Recentchanges | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch what all the href-tags URLs look like | 16:59 |
| *** wmarone_ has quit IRC | 17:02 | |
| *** wmarone_ has joined #maemo | 17:02 | |
| chem|st | the no-fwd of forums.itt is meant to be afair | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: for tmo and itt it seems we got two vhosts on same IP, and the "root" is some weird stuff not related to tmo at all | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I agree though that there's no such problem of not forwarding itt/subpages to tmo/subpage. seems to work like it should - I seem to recall that's been different | 17:05 |
| *** khertan has quit IRC | 17:06 | |
| chem|st | http://80.248.164.233/Special:Recentchanges is all valid xhtml.. | 17:07 |
| chem|st | well not really but the links are | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 17:09 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: what you mean to know about tmo itt problem is that google does value tmo & itt for the same search but usually shows only itt OR tmo links | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not the point | 17:09 |
| chem|st | the root? | 17:09 |
| *** ChanServ has quit IRC | 17:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 17:09 |
| chem|st | I mean the href-tags | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just trying to sort my stuff, as it seems wmo isn't notifying me about changes anymore | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or the notification mails go to dev/null | 17:10 |
| chem|st | ~wmo | 17:12 |
| chem|st | tmo? | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/174820/ | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch all the URLs in this notification mail being based on IP instead of proper DNS-URL | 17:14 |
| chem|st | oh now I get you | 17:14 |
| *** hazchemix has joined #maemo | 17:14 | |
| chem|st | lol | 17:15 |
| chem|st | havent got any lately, will have a look though | 17:15 |
| chem|st | who is maintaining the server behind wmo | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's only happening if somebody is changing something on http://80.248.164.233/ instead of wiki.maemo.org | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc | 17:16 |
| chem|st | ok | 17:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry for confusion caused by me mixing up tmo and wmo issues | 17:17 |
| chem|st | np | 17:17 |
| chem|st | I have no idea what midgard does with pages either, have you tried? | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not yet | 17:18 |
| chem|st | the wmo stup just shows that someone forgot to enter the root in the settings | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 17:20 |
| chem|st | the NPO website I maintain has some fancy url setup which brakes with typo-light, in terms of wmo I cannot enter the backend from wmo but from the serverURL | 17:21 |
| chem|st | and I cannot have both working for some reason | 17:21 |
| chem|st | it is the typo-I-have-many-websites-with-one-backend thing | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't say I completely follow, but seems you tracked it down to some rootcause | 17:22 |
| chem|st | you may invoke thisishell.org if fwd to that ip | 17:24 |
| chem|st | you may not do that if the root is set to wmo | 17:25 |
| *** ChanServ has joined #maemo | 17:25 | |
| *** zelazny.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ | 17:25 | |
| chem|st | freenode is done with their service update^^ | 17:25 |
| *** jayne has quit IRC | 17:26 | |
| *** jayne has joined #maemo | 17:26 | |
| chem|st | that fwd thing happened to work for schlimmsteparteiderwelt.de -> cdu.de | 17:27 |
| *** wmarone_ has quit IRC | 17:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme check those bookmarks I found: http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 does NOT forward to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: ^^^ | 17:36 |
| chem|st | that forums.itt not fwd is ok, what is that wiki link? | 17:37 |
| chem|st | I get an emoty page from that | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which results in my browser not doing auto-login and not showing correct theme consequently | 17:38 |
| *** federico3 has quit IRC | 17:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_USB_Host_mode_on_the_N800_using_OS_2008 - it's been a valid page once | 17:39 |
| *** wmarone has joined #maemo | 17:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it would be pretty unfortunate to see such stuff bitrot and vanish | 17:40 |
| zeq | is it possible to use system fakeroot instead of the bundled version? | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw kloeri :-D | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: why is http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 not supposed to forward to the identical http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=746546#post746546 ? | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's friggin inconvenient | 17:42 |
| *** Kilroo has quit IRC | 17:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=271916#post271916 | 17:52 |
| *** ZogG_laptop has quit IRC | 18:00 | |
| zeq | _freemangordon: I'm attempting to set up a dev env for FREEMANTLE_ARMEL_GCC462. How do I boostrap? | 18:00 |
| zeq | I have the standard SDK installed on top of Gentoo. | 18:01 |
| *** Tofe has joined #maemo | 18:05 | |
| Tofe | Hello ! | 18:05 |
| *** khertan has joined #maemo | 18:06 | |
| *** guerby has quit IRC | 18:10 | |
| *** lbt has joined #maemo | 18:11 | |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 18:11 | |
| *** lbt has joined #maemo | 18:11 | |
| *** guerby has joined #maemo | 18:13 | |
| Tranquilllity | zeq: how did you install it on gentoo? | 18:16 |
| *** e-yes has quit IRC | 18:18 | |
| *** e-yes_ has quit IRC | 18:18 | |
| *** vblazquez has quit IRC | 18:18 | |
| *** iDont has quit IRC | 18:21 | |
| *** valeriusN has left #maemo | 18:21 | |
| *** valeriusN has joined #maemo | 18:21 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: it is no fwd it is an alias, ask reggie to fwd instead of aliasing if you like, I do not care | 18:22 |
| zeq | Tranquilllity: I've used mostly portage ebuilds, a few local ones to fill in the holes | 18:22 |
| *** phryk has quit IRC | 18:23 | |
| zeq | I've worked out I have a problem with the toolchain setup atm | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: well, where's reggie? | 18:23 |
| zeq | that's why fakeroot isn't working | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: I'd also like to ask him about stale pages like the link in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=271916#post271916 | 18:24 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: offline :) | 18:24 |
| *** rcg has quit IRC | 18:24 | |
| zeq | it's working for FREMANTLE_ARMEL now | 18:24 |
| *** phryk has joined #maemo | 18:25 | |
| zeq | obviously I'm doing something wrong with the new target | 18:25 |
| *** lbt has quit IRC | 18:26 | |
| *** vblazquez has joined #maemo | 18:26 | |
| zeq | fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps isn't working though | 18:27 |
| zeq | can't find the packages, something's wrong with the repo list??? | 18:28 |
| _freemangordon | zeq: using sb-menu setup a new target | 18:28 |
| _freemangordon | FREMANTLE_THUmb for example | 18:28 |
| _freemangordon | choose gcc4.6.2 as compiler | 18:28 |
| zeq | okay trying now | 18:29 |
| zeq | never used sb before :) | 18:29 |
| _freemangordon | choose perl:debian-etch:qemu:doctools:svn:git as devkit packages | 18:29 |
| _freemangordon | choose maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_20.2010.36-2_armel.tgz as rootstrap | 18:31 |
| _freemangordon | when asked to install files, choose everything but "C" | 18:31 |
| _freemangordon | zeq:^^^ | 18:31 |
| zeq | I don't have the above rootstrap? | 18:32 |
| _freemangordon | you should download it from nokia, NFC wehere exactly | 18:32 |
| zeq | googling | 18:33 |
| _freemangordon | zeq: there should be installer somewhere, you'd better use it | 18:33 |
| zeq | found it | 18:40 |
| Tranquilllity | can you give me the link? | 18:41 |
| zeq | repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/armel/ | 18:41 |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 18:42 | |
| Tranquilllity | thx | 18:42 |
| *** dhbiker has joined #maemo | 18:44 | |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 18:45 | |
| zeq | _freemangordon: not "C-library", "C-runtime" | 18:45 |
| zeq | ? | 18:45 |
| _freemangordon | yeah | 18:45 |
| zeq | ok | 18:46 |
| _freemangordon | what are "C" options? | 18:46 |
| _freemangordon | I remember it was the second you have to unckech | 18:46 |
| _freemangordon | uncheck* | 18:46 |
| * Macer stares at his n900 totally collecting dust | 18:46 | |
| zeq | oops then :) | 18:46 |
| Macer | heh | 18:46 |
| Macer | poor thing | 18:47 |
| Macer | i would shove my att sim in it but who the hell wants to use edge? | 18:47 |
| * Macer goes to ebay it for $50 heh | 18:47 | |
| *** e-yes_ has joined #maemo | 18:47 | |
| zeq | options were: "C-library", "C-runtime" | 18:47 |
| *** e-yes has joined #maemo | 18:47 | |
| _freemangordon | zeq: well, can't remember exactly, besides it was the second from top | 18:48 |
| zeq | I'll do it again later, I need to go out for a while... | 18:49 |
| *** e-yes has quit IRC | 18:50 | |
| *** e-yes_ has quit IRC | 18:50 | |
| *** _freemangordon is now known as freemangordon | 18:51 | |
| *** valeriusN has left #maemo | 18:53 | |
| *** valeriusN has joined #maemo | 18:53 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dafaq is going on with /ns help | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 1h ago: | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- If a registered nick is not used by the owner for 150 days, | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [16.06.2012 16:43:29] [Notice] -NickServ- NickServ will drop the nickname, allowing it to be reregistered. | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now those 2 lines are missing again | 19:00 |
| brik | perhaps they did an upgrade of some sort and forgot to edit the help text? | 19:01 |
| *** aloril has quit IRC | 19:03 | |
| *** FIQ has quit IRC | 19:05 | |
| *** guampa has quit IRC | 19:13 | |
| *** guampa has joined #maemo | 19:14 | |
| *** RiD has joined #maemo | 19:15 | |
| zeq | freemangordon: what now? fakeroot still isn't working... | 19:16 |
| *** aloril has joined #maemo | 19:16 | |
| *** FIQ has joined #maemo | 19:17 | |
| zeq | freemangordon: probably, I installed the toolchain incorrectly | 19:17 |
| zeq | I just extracted the tar.gz into /scratchbox/compilers | 19:18 |
| zeq | I notice there's no target_setup.sh | 19:19 |
| zeq | unlike the portage installed toolchain | 19:19 |
| *** RiD has quit IRC | 19:22 | |
| *** guampa has quit IRC | 19:24 | |
| *** aloril has quit IRC | 19:26 | |
| *** guampa has joined #maemo | 19:26 | |
| *** wmarone has quit IRC | 19:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, the miracle got solved: the nick pruning been a one-shot event. | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which seems resulted in >50% of registered nicks got dropped | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | zeq: you should choose that compiler when setting up the target | 19:37 |
| *** aloril has joined #maemo | 19:38 | |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 19:40 | |
| *** Atarii has quit IRC | 19:44 | |
| *** shanttu has quit IRC | 19:44 | |
| *** dhbiker has quit IRC | 19:45 | |
| *** aloril has quit IRC | 19:45 | |
| *** esaym153 has quit IRC | 19:49 | |
| *** guerby has quit IRC | 19:56 | |
| *** aloril has joined #maemo | 19:58 | |
| *** guerby has joined #maemo | 19:59 | |
| *** RiD has joined #maemo | 20:00 | |
| *** PeterWolf has quit IRC | 20:01 | |
| *** joga has quit IRC | 20:03 | |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 20:05 | |
| *** RiD has quit IRC | 20:11 | |
| *** DHR has joined #maemo | 20:11 | |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 20:12 | |
| *** federico3 has joined #maemo | 20:14 | |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 20:15 | |
| *** joga has joined #maemo | 20:15 | |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 20:16 | |
| *** valerius has joined #maemo | 20:18 | |
| *** esaym153 has joined #maemo | 20:20 | |
| *** phryk has quit IRC | 20:21 | |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 20:22 | |
| *** BCMM has joined #maemo | 20:24 | |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 20:24 | |
| *** FIQ has quit IRC | 20:38 | |
| *** phryk has joined #maemo | 20:41 | |
| *** freemangordon has quit IRC | 20:49 | |
| *** freemangordon has joined #maemo | 20:50 | |
| *** hazchemix has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 20:58 | |
| *** Ian--- has joined #maemo | 21:03 | |
| M4rtinK | X-Fade: looks like new users that request Extras-Devel upload rights just receive a message from from some guy about leaving Nokia on 30th of April | 21:04 |
| *** eMHa__ has quit IRC | 21:05 | |
| M4rtinK | anyone knows whats happening and how this can be fixed ? or who to contact about this ? | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | the message in question: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1222336&postcount=161 | 21:07 |
| *** RiD has joined #maemo | 21:13 | |
| *** wmarone has joined #maemo | 21:18 | |
| Elleo | M4rtinK: I got that e-mail but I also got enabled for access to extras-devel a couple of weeks ago (shortly after applying) | 21:22 |
| Elleo | so presumably the system sends out an automated e-mail to a number of different people with approval rights, and it's just one of them that happens to have an auto-responder set up | 21:23 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that could be it | 21:23 |
| *** sq-one has quit IRC | 21:23 | |
| M4rtinK | but it should still be fixed | 21:24 |
| Elleo | yeah | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | it confuses the hell out of new developers | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK | and the autobuilder is still an important part of the infrastructure | 21:24 |
| *** Venemo_N9 has joined #maemo | 21:25 | |
| M4rtinK | btw, any idea whats the status of the proposed OBS for Fremantle ? :) | 21:26 |
| *** eMHa__ has joined #maemo | 21:30 | |
| *** retro|cz has joined #maemo | 21:31 | |
| *** Venemo_N9 has quit IRC | 21:35 | |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 21:43 | |
| *** e-yes has joined #maemo | 21:44 | |
| Tofe | Is there a keyring, in maemo ? or something similar to store passwords ? -- I doubt it, as all the passwords are in clear, but maybe I've missed a point... | 21:45 |
| Tofe | (anyway, what would be the key ? there isn't even a password for the root account... Maybe the Pin number would be a first step, but 4 numbers is quite weak.) | 21:47 |
| Sicelo | there isn't | 21:48 |
| Elleo | M4rtinK: I'd guess that X-Fade would be the best person to ask about that | 21:49 |
| Tofe | Ok, well, I'll do my best not to shout the password on the roof, then | 21:49 |
| Sicelo | password for what Tofe? | 21:52 |
| Tofe | for the little application I'm writing these days | 21:52 |
| Tofe | about syncing a webdav account against a local folder | 21:52 |
| *** jrocha has quit IRC | 21:53 | |
| *** RiD has quit IRC | 21:56 | |
| *** jrocha has joined #maemo | 22:06 | |
| *** Venusaur is now known as Suiseiseki | 22:08 | |
| *** t_s_o has quit IRC | 22:11 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 22:14 | |
| *** SergSergiu is now known as sergsergiu | 22:21 | |
| zeq | freemangordon: I'm back now. I'm trying to figure out how to install custom toolchains in scratchbox. | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | Elleo: yeah, I've already pinged him here & the Saera developer wrote him a PM :) | 22:22 |
| *** rcg has joined #maemo | 22:23 | |
| *** krayon has quit IRC | 22:25 | |
| *** mva has quit IRC | 22:30 | |
| *** mva has joined #maemo | 22:30 | |
| *** hazchemix has joined #maemo | 22:32 | |
| *** mva has quit IRC | 22:34 | |
| *** mva has joined #maemo | 22:35 | |
| *** guampa has left #maemo | 22:37 | |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 22:40 | |
| *** xev_ has quit IRC | 22:40 | |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 22:40 | |
| *** wasd- has joined #maemo | 22:41 | |
| *** hazchemix has quit IRC | 22:46 | |
| *** FIQ has joined #maemo | 22:48 | |
| *** schen has joined #maemo | 22:50 | |
| *** wasd- has quit IRC | 22:53 | |
| *** t_s_o has joined #maemo | 22:58 | |
| *** t_s_o has left #maemo | 22:59 | |
| zeq | freemangordon: I think I have it figured it out. I need to build fakeroot from the device_tools in sb-toolchain-extras | 23:04 |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 23:09 | |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 23:09 | |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 23:09 | |
| *** hazchemix has joined #maemo | 23:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: sorry, postoffice been closed when I resumed from hibernate today | 23:20 |
| *** Atarii has joined #maemo | 23:21 | |
| *** Estel_ has joined #maemo | 23:24 | |
| *** Estel_ has quit IRC | 23:24 | |
| *** Estel_ has joined #maemo | 23:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | did I already mention thios b2b-connector at mobo end of FPC is a friggin b*tch? Not only because of 3 layers with solderpoints/vias, but primarily for goddamn inconvenoience to plug it in | 23:24 |
| *** FredrIQ has joined #maemo | 23:25 | |
| Estel_ | heh, lately, I perfected putting it back. It's really equilibristic, damn thing require telekinesis to plug | 23:25 |
| *** FIQ has quit IRC | 23:25 | |
| *** FredrIQ is now known as FIQ | 23:25 | |
| Estel_ | basically, it requires targetting at 3 axis, like docking space shuttle to ISS :P | 23:25 |
| Estel_ | hardest point of assembling N900 back, IMO | 23:26 |
| *** loganbr has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| Estel_ | once, I even managed to torn it a little at left side. | 23:26 |
| Estel_ | which is nothing, compared to how I screwed my main N900 during last tests - whole part of pcb with usb port and charging chip had to be cut off, to even boot device | 23:27 |
| Estel_ | side effect - camera doesnt work too, despite fact, that - apparently - camera module is ok | 23:28 |
| * Estel_ is waiting for replacement unit, to take motherboard off and put into my shiny case + screen) | 23:28 | |
| *** Guest28766 has joined #maemo | 23:43 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 23:47 | |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 23:49 | |
| *** Estel_ has quit IRC | 23:49 | |
| *** e-yes has quit IRC | 23:53 | |
| *** flo_lap has joined #maemo | 23:59 | |
| *** flo_lap has joined #maemo | 23:59 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!