IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2011-11-10

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ShapeshifterUh, can I safely apt-get upgrade right now if I have installed the CSSU? I read something about some official miniature PR.00:44
Shapeshifter"you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)" I have automatic updates disabled. Can I run apt-get upgrade or should I use crap HAM?00:46
Shapeshifteroh nevermind ."you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)"00:46
ShapeshifterI'll wait00:46
NIN101apt-get upgrade sometimes brakes maemo, so don't use it anyway.00:48
infobotNIN101 meant: apt-get upgrade sometimes breakes maemo, so don't use it anyway.00:48
Shapeshiftermh. poor fragile maemo.00:48
* Shapeshifter pats N900 on the head00:48
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ShapeshifterMh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power.00:54
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luke-jrShapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too!01:13
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DocScrutinizerShapeshifter: apt-get upgrade been deprecated always01:32
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that?01:33
DocScrutinizerI agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation01:34
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DocScrutinizerbut I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies01:37
DocScrutinizerso some pointers about where to dig are welcome01:38
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merlin1991someone with n900 +cssu pleace paste the output of apt-cache policy qtm-maemo-metapackage01:54
infobotmerlin1991 meant: someone with n900 +cssu please paste the output of apt-cache policy qtm-maemo-metapackage01:54
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andre__merlin1991, for 16.8: "Installed: 1.3-2+0m5 | Candidate: 1.3-2+0m5 | Version table: | *** 1.3-2+0m5 0 | 500 ./ Packages | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status02:00
merlin1991thanks andre__02:00
Zer0coolhey people02:00
merlin1991andre__: can you check dsme-thermalobject-surface too please?02:01
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andre__merlin1991: 0.0.1+0m5 everywhere, rest is the same02:02
merlin1991thanks again02:02
merlin1991weird the cssu metapackge depends on those even though they defenitely come from the orginal pr02:02
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Zer0coolbeen trying to get queenbeecon to open xterm an run this command , osso-xterm -e ' sudo arp-scan --interface=wlan0 --localnet but i cant get xterm to stay open can anybody help02:03
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SpeedEvilTry something like 'sh-c 'arp-scan .... ; sleep 1h''02:04
Zer0cooli even tryed creating adding in the command to that an issue command to run script but it still closes02:04
SpeedEvilYou need to wait at the end02:05
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Zer0cooli was told to add an & at the end but still same02:06
SpeedEvilthat won't hekp02:06
SpeedEvilyou need something to explicitly wait02:06
merlin1991damn I should have written it down the last time02:07
SpeedEviladd sleep 1h at the end of the script02:07
Zer0coolhumm then im stuck , will try now ...02:07
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merlin1991we've found an answer for that problem, but I have no clue when02:07
Zer0cooli had similar problem while back but same commands wont work this time...02:08
Zer0coolif i add sleep to the end still same issue02:08
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merlin1991damn I'm at the very last package to compile and now I fail on msgfmt missing02:10
merlin1991nfc wich package holds that file02:11
NIN101Zer0cool: and last time you have been told to put the stuff in shellscript with +x permission IIRC02:11
luke-jr[18:33:51] <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that?  <--- ?02:12
Zer0coolNIN101 i already did that thanks ...02:13
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ???02:19
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: <Shapeshifter> Mh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power.  <luke-jr> Shapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too!02:20
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that? I agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation. but I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies02:21
DocScrutinizer<DocScrutinizer> so some pointers about where to dig are welcome02:21
LaoLang_coolHow to set xterm's foreground/background? In settting gui, I can't set the clor in color code, say #ffffff02:22
LaoLang_coolI want to set it presicely02:22
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LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: I can't find the info that I want, could you point me out please?...02:28
Zer0cool@doc what ever happened to is the site dead now ??02:28
DocScrutinizersorry this is all I know about it, can't point you to anything better. Just thought it might help02:28
Zer0coolthanks for link to osso-xterm02:28
DocScrutinizerZer0cool: no idea02:29
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer: thanks all the same. I thought xterm should have a .Xdefaults concept like it does on xorg.02:29
merlin1991how dare you to be down NOW!02:30
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DocScrutinizerwell, seems osso-xterm is quite different in some respects02:30
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: before my N900 went unusable before my vacation, it rebooted whenever I tried to use mobile hotspot; it also randomly stopped responding to incoming connections02:31
DocScrutinizeranyway first ³ on that page I linked is about 256color thingie, so I thought it might be related02:31
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: when reinstalling, using the latest version rendered my N900 unbootable02:31
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: duh, that's sth that probably shouldn't need a ticket ;)02:33
DocScrutinizerI have to admit I never tested a newer version than 46?02:33
luke-jrthe latest I could find working is 4202:34
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Zer0cooldoes anybody know if you can open a port on N900 ??02:39
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pigeonis there a way to allow the "Notes" app on the n900 to run multiple instances (or just multiple windows)?03:16
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merlin1991does someone have an example of an application that uses qt-mobility, but teh version from the pr image/sdk and not the one from extras-devel?04:34
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DocScrutinizerpigeon: nope06:07
DocScrutinizerafaik at least06:07
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Caminomasteri have a n81006:15
CaminomasterBut I haven't upgraded my system, so I having troubles with microB, flash and chat06:16
Caminomasteri read about a "seamless update", but i don't know how I soudl proceed06:17
mgedminCaminomaster, here:
mgedminought to be a description06:21
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mgedminyou've two choices: the seamless upgrade (aka over the air), or reflashing (wipes data, so back up)06:22
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luke-jrCaminomaster: N810 is pretty hopeless06:22
Caminomasterhopeless?, luke-jr?06:23
mgedminto use the SSU, open the app manager and look for a 'Maemo' update06:23
luke-jrCaminomaster: slonopotamus and I maintain Gentoo for it, but that's the best you'll get I think06:23
Caminomasterin what way?06:23
mgedminif you don't see it, then flashing is your only option06:23
luke-jrCaminomaster: Nokia has abandoned Maemo entirely, let alone the 2-generations old version on N81006:23
luke-jrmgedmin: do they even run the SSU anymore?06:23
mgedmingood question06:23
luke-jrCaminomaster: Nokia is 100% Microsoft now06:23
mgedminI don't see why not06:24
mgedminshutting things down takes effort :)06:24
luke-jrmgedmin: less than continuing to pay the hosting bill06:24
mgedminunless they use the same hardware for N9 repos06:24
Caminomasteromg! Nokia has fallen into the dark side of the force!06:25
luke-jrugh, N9 was such a joke06:25
adrianuyMicrosoft will eat to Nokia06:26
Caminomasterunless Android become available for nokia devices06:28
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Caminomasterluke-jr, have I to add any repo to make this maemo update available?06:31
luke-jrwhat maemo update?06:31
luke-jrmaemo is dead06:31
Caminomasterlast question was for mgedmin, so escuse me luke06:36
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Caminomasterbye 2 everyone06:52
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DocScrutinizeryou are not really nice to that guy06:57
DocScrutinizeryou at least could have told him that he needs to flash to a newer version of diablo to get *any* SSU to work, N810 never came with SSU working OOTB06:58
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: mine did O.o07:01
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pigeonDocScrutinizer: sad, thanks.07:19
pigeonit's a bit of a shame that it's pretty good at doing multitasking and multi windowing though i can only open one note at a time.07:20
pigeonsame for e-mail, can only show one window (e-mail) at a time.07:21
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DocScrutinizerHAHA @
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slonopotamusluke-jr: i thought you've destroyed your n81007:38
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DocScrutinizerhahaha feature update .23->.30 (actually incl kernel and all shit, some 12MB), boot, check again: feature update .30->.36, 24MB -> "PROBLEM: pre-installed-documentation-rx44(=5.4) missing, update not possible"  >:-( brilliant Nokia, really brilliant!07:51
DocScrutinizer(^^^ diablo)07:51
slonopotamuswhat are you doing? :-/07:52
DocScrutinizerupdating my spare N810 as long as google yields some hits for "N810"07:53
DocScrutinizerthe on-device bookmarks suggested  --  google got me to
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slonopotamushmm... i have 5.2010.33-1 here07:56
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DocScrutinizeron N810?07:57
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DocScrutinizerlemme check07:58
slonopotamusat least it claims so07:58
slonopotamusmaybe that's cssu?07:59
DocScrutinizerquite possibly07:59
DocScrutinizerthought it'd be a good idea to update to latest official befor I enable diabli CSSU08:00
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slonopotamus yes08:00
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slonopotamusmeh. diablo kernel doesn't play well with glibc >= 2.1208:03
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Maceris bt dun done automatically?08:24
Maceri'm about to try to tether my transformer to my n900 using bt08:24
Macerif at all possible. i am trying to avoid wifi hotspot08:24
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Macerdon't know how to do the bt dun in android :)08:27
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psycho_oreosandroid on N900 -> #nitdroid08:31
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Sazpaimon_what is the metapackage where all non-sdk maemo packages exist08:39
Sazpaimon_i just want runtime stuff with no development headers08:39
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Sazpaimon_i mean, if I installed mp-fremantle-community-pr wouldn't that basically give a base CSSU install for maemo08:45
DocScrutinizerit's not supposed to get installed that way08:46
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Macerok. it isn't the transformer08:53
Macerit is the bluetooth-dun maemo use08:53
Macerwhen pairing it doesn't see the dun profile08:54
Maceram i missing something here?08:54
Maceri remeber on my netbook and macbook that this just worked :)08:54
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Macerdoes the bluetooth dun require the advanced kernel or something?08:57
DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: WAAH help!! I installed diablo CSSU, checked/enabled the catalog, hit update/refresh in appmanager several times, but I'm nailed to OS2008 4.2008.30-2 and according to changelog also no fixes in busybox09:02
DocScrutinizermeh, nuttin a apt-get upGRADE won't fix, eh? X-P09:04
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DocScrutinizer75 pkgs updating09:07
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Maceron an n810?09:16
Macerthat should take a day :)09:16
Maceri guess i need ot use pan?09:19
Maceri thought bluetooth-dun used pan as a way to connect09:20
Maceri also need an "advanced" kernel and iptables?09:20
Macerwtf :)09:20
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Macerthank you so much robbiethe1st09:21
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DocScrutinizerSazpaimon_: busybox ls -Q fixed but still 4.2008.30-209:31
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ruskie <-- heh09:41
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ruskie <-- heh09:44
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Maceri was trying to duck using wifi09:56
Macerbut i can't seem to get the bluetooth dun working :(09:56
Macerah well.. maybe i will give it another try later on. hopefully this wifi doesn't murder the battery too bad. last time i used it... it was eating up battery fster than the N900 could charge.09:57
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ShapeshifterDocScrutinizer: I think kernel power is broken because I a) at least feel like I've seen more application crashes B) consistently see a bug where the N900 will only boot 1 out of 4 times if USB is connected and 3) applications protocols kept stop working randomly.10:15
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jonwilbah, I need to find someone who knows something about Gecko internals :(10:17
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* jonwil suspects is the best place to find such a person10:18
jonwilor the mozilla mailing lists10:18
Macertry fidonet10:19
LaoLang_coolhello, maemoers!10:19
* Macer grins10:19
LaoLang_coolCurious if the maemo development is still going on10:19
MacerLaoLang_cool: go to #maemo-ssu ... those guys do stuff10:19
Macerthey're buzy bees doing things for us leeches to consume10:20
LaoLang_coolssu, aha!10:20
LaoLang_coolcommunity pr10:20
Maceryeah.. they're doin a bang up job10:21
merlin1991LaoLang_cool: about the weechat I compiled you, it should have perl and python support10:21
Macerget to have cool things ie a portrait home screen/desktop10:21
merlin1991you might need to install some packages though10:21
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LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: oh, I will have a try again10:30
LaoLang_coolWill check if it's on extra-devel repo, I've reflashed my n900 so everything has gone10:30
merlin1991I didn't upload it to extras-devel10:31
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* jonwil doubts there is anyone out there who truly understands the internals of the beast called Gecko...10:53
LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: oh, will install it from pkg file10:54
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cityLights~seen DocScrutinizer11:05
infobotdocscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (21h 26m 23s) #n9 (21h 26m 23s) #harmattan (21h 26m 23s) #meego (21h 26m 23s) #openmoko (21h 26m 23s) #infobot (21h 26m 23s) #openmoko-cdevel (21h 26m 23s). Has said a total of 262 messages. Is idling for 35m 39s, last said: 'whatever LEAP is'.11:05
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LaoLang_cooldoes xterm support visualbeep ?11:20
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FireFlyHi. I accidentally screwed up and get the "dots progress bar" forever on boot. I think this is because of a single file. Is there any way I can modify the filesystem without having to (properly) boot the N900?11:51
FireFly(I was trying to setup a dotfiles syncing system, and I think I accidentally copied my desktop .xinitrc to /home/user on the N900.. not the most clever thing to do, I suppose :P)11:54
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luke-jrFireFly: there's a rescue kernel image somewhere you can boot12:15
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FireFlyThanks, I'll give it a try12:17
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FireFlyluke-jr, I can't seem to be able to write special characters (requirin fn/altgr) though.. and in this case the problematic file lies in /home, so it's not mounted by default by the rescue kernel12:34
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FireFlyAll right, looks like .xinitrc wasn't the problem.. hm12:41
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mecejonwil, you have a thread dedicated to you:
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jonwilyep, I saw12:51
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jonwilI have no idea how easy it will be to clone the vkb widget code12:52
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asmundgKhweeteur 0.5.27 seems to stop fetching updates from twitter after a while, requiring a restart of the program to get it working again. Has anyone seen that?12:52
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cityLightsback from lunch13:05
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jonwilI think I found the answer for my Google Transit problem. There is a display of a "M" logo at a railway station on Nokia Maps. If I find the png file for that "M" logo, I can find out where its drawn13:42
jonwilAnd from there figure out this stuff works13:42
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totalizatorhi guys, do you know if I can replace the plastic keyboard border in n900 without disassembling the device?13:52
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer ^13:53
SpeedEvilAt the very least, you don't need to dissasemble the screen - I'm unsure of the rest.13:54
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SpeedEvilHAve you read the l1/l2 repair manual13:56
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totalizatorSpeedEvil: that's a relief; the manual?14:00
markinfohallo. How should be encoded Video to be optimaly played on Nokia n900?14:00
SpeedEvilThere is a page on the wiki14:00
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SpeedEvilI use mplayers default 'avi' encoding.14:03
SpeedEvilThis is very, very far from optimal, but works for me.14:03
markinfoavi is container - or?14:03
SpeedEvilavi is container, but mplayer has a default it picks if you dn't specify anything14:04
markinfoi will lok on wiki - tehere is probably some hardware acceleration for some specific codec.14:04
SpeedEvilThere is.14:04
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totalizatorSpeedEvil: thx, got it but nothing there, just a complete disassembly guide14:05
SpeedEviltotalizator: err - yes. You read the guide, and work out at what point you can stop, in order to get the keyboard out.14:05
SpeedEvilAnd what steps you can omit.14:05
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer has replaced his keyboard - he may not be around right now though.14:06
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totalizatorSpeedEvil: but I want to replace just the plastic cover14:09
SpeedEvilthe keyboard is held in by the bezel IIRC - so removing one is removing the other14:10
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totalizatorSpeedEvil: ok, thx; I'll just try to find someone who has already did this14:12
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jonwilwhats wrong with your keyboard bezel?14:40
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LaoLang_coolI want to copy string into clipboard in vim, how to do that? I don't want to click xterm menu and copy, too slow14:44
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Macerctrl c14:47
Macerctrl v14:48
LaoLang_coolMacer: in vim, ctrl-c is to cancel, ctrl-v is visual selection.14:48
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Macerctrl on the qwerty?14:53
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Macerthen there isnt much of an alternative since vim is mapped that way14:54
Macerchange the mappings in vim :)14:54
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SpeedEvilscreen, too.14:56
Macerwhats wrong with screen?14:56
SpeedEvilYou can copy/'paste with it14:57
Macerdoes screen use ctrl v or c? :)14:57
Maceryeah but that is using screen.. would screen allow for using the stylus as a selection?14:57
SpeedEvilProbably not.14:57
LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: screen can't copy the string into system clipboard too14:58
LaoLang_coolI want to exchange contents between vim and system14:59
Macercant wait to get this synology disk station i ordered14:59
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SpeedEvilLaoLang_cool: True.15:01
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LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: click xterm's menu then select copy is too slow, can I configure it to pop up in more speedy15:02
Maceri am sure you can remap vim tho15:02
LaoLang_coolclick menu then I need to wait at most 0.5 second15:03
LaoLang_coolMacer: remap is no problem, just don't know how to make the selection go into system's clipboard15:03
LaoLang_cool0.7 second I think :) too long to wait15:04
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LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: hi, I think weechat can be uploaded to the repo, any reason not to do it??15:04
vdvi click on program icon in the app list to launch it, but it's only higlighted and program is not executed (i check process list remotely via ssh). what can be reason for that? if i run app from terminal it starts normally15:05
vdvprogram is the latest version of qstardict15:06
vdvi've built and created deb package myself, seems i've did something wrong...15:07
Macerremap vim15:12
Maceruse clipboard ctrl x c v15:13
Macerc and v15:13
Maceri am guessing you cant cut15:13
Maceruse a non xterm editor15:13
LaoLang_coolMacer: ctrl x c v doesn't equal to cut/copy/paste at all15:15
LaoLang_cooland the string cut/copied/pasted doesn't go into system's clipboard15:16
LaoLang_coolThey are managed by vim15:16
LaoLang_coolremap isn't an issue, the issue is how to make the selection in vim go into system's clipboard without using the copy functio provided by vim15:17
SpeedEvilYou're gonna need to add it to vim, I think.15:18
SpeedEvilPresumably, there is some wayfor an app to dump as tring to the system clipboard.15:18
LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: you mean that these is no way to do it at present?15:19
SpeedEvilIt seems unlikely.15:19
SpeedEvilAssuming vim is simply a compiled 'normal' vim.15:19
LaoLang_coolOr any tools that can be piped strings to it and make it go into clipboard?15:20
SpeedEvilThen it will have basically been designed to run on a terminal.15:20
SpeedEvilThere is no general clipboard on most terminals, so it's unlikely to support it. yeah.15:20
SpeedEvilThat's possible.15:20
LaoLang_coolCorsac: xclip support the system clipboard? nice, I'll try15:20
CorsacI don't know what “system clipboard” is15:20
SpeedEvilIf you can tell vim to spit the string to xclip, or something.15:20
Corsacxclip is for X clipboard15:20
Corsacnote that when vim is compiled with X support, it'll happily paste to the X buffer15:21
LaoLang_coolSpeedEvil: I'm curious why vim on n900 has compiled the feature to support xclipboard15:21
SpeedEvilSorry - I forgot all about xvim15:21
LaoLang_coolCorsac: see my post :) vim has compiled the feauture15:21
SpeedEvilplease ignore the last15:21
LaoLang_coolI think n900 isn't use xorg, so it doesn't work15:22
LaoLang_coolSo I'm curious if xclip would work too15:22
LaoLang_coolwill try it15:22
Corsachmhm, now after removing the account and rebooting, it's meegotouchhome and commhistoryd which fight for the cpu15:22
* Corsac cries15:22
SpeedEvilThis is n950?15:23
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LaoLang_coolseems I can't find xclip vi apt-get...15:24
LaoLang_coolI'm curious that why vim on n900 doesn't compiled the feature 'autochdir'15:25
CorsacSpeedEvil: N915:26
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markinfois someone using Avidemux? On  is written "et the video codec: "MPEG-4 AVC", click the "configure" button underneath it and choose the downloaded "Configuration".    But how to do "choose the downloaded "Configuration"" ?15:39
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merlin1991LaoLang_cool: my reason not to upload to the repo was that it isn't a properly packaged package, it was jsut quick and dirty to get it done17:03
merlin1991The voting of the Maemo Community / MeeGo Coding Competition 2011 is now open, and you have received this email as you are eligible to vote. wtf?17:04
LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: I have perl python installed on maemo, but weechat doesn't work with them(i.e., no plugin supported)17:04
LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: what is proper way? Anyway it' works.17:05
merlin1991for example have the plugins work properly ;)17:06
LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: i'm on n900 now! :) Thank you!17:06
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merlin1991SpeedEvil: I kinda missed that whole coding competition, and I have nfc why I'm eligible to vote17:06
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LaoLang_coolmerlin1991: At least it can work, extra-devel means it still on devel stage, so it's acceptable17:08
LaoLang_coolfrom my view ;p17:08
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merlin1991oh one just has to be registered on for more than 4th to get that mail17:08
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LaoLang_cooltime to bed, see you!17:11
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minttuxis it possible to run command on debian chroot from maemo terminal?17:50
SpeedEvilcd /where/ever17:51
SpeedEvilchroot . bash17:51
SpeedEvilIf you mean X commands, it's going to be more interesting, as you're gonna need to peroperly set the xommand to the fake X server.17:51
minttuxfor example i would like run mysql but it installed in debian.but i want to run it from maemo x-terminal17:51
SpeedEvil'sqlite3' won't work?17:52
minttuxi need php-cli17:52
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SpeedEvilYou may be able to run more, if you add the libraries at teh end of /etc/ - and then add the easy-debian dirs to your path17:53
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SpeedEvilErr - LD_LIBRARY_PATH is probably more sane than so.conf17:54
rlyI recently setup USB over ethernet, but after a reboot it apparently doesn't work anymore.17:54
rlyIs the order in which setup the different parts of interest?17:54
minttuxwhat do you mean by easy-debian dirs?  for example path of php-cli in debian?17:54
rlyE.g. do ifconfig on the host first and only later do the PC suite connection, etc.?17:54
SpeedEvilminttux: easy-debian mounts its own filesystem somewhere.17:55
SpeedEvilThat is not on the normal path17:55
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rlyMy ifconfig on the host shows the following for the usb connection: Link encap:UNSPEC  HWaddr 1B-30-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-0018:04
rlyHow do I make it show a correct value there?18:04
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rlyNever mind.18:06
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HaXeriwould there be any ease way to make my N900 turn to silent mode (profile) when it discovers a certain wlan network18:18
NIN101dbus + /etc/network/if-up.d/18:22
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rlyHow can I automatically execute ifconfig <device> up when I insert hte n900?18:24
rly(on Debian)18:24
rlyI am already using SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0421", ATTRS{idProduct}=="01c8", ATTRS{manufacturer}=="Nokia", ATTRS{product}=="N900 (PC-Suite Mode)", NAME="n900"18:25
rlyBut that isn't really responsible for that.18:25
rlyThe allow-hotplug doesn't automatically 'up' the interface.18:25
rlyNo idea as to why.18:26
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NIN101HaXeri: Do you mean when it connects?18:35
NIN101to a wlan network.18:35
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HaXeriwhen i go to schoolbuilding i never remember to turn it silent18:36
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NIN101well then I am not aware of an easy way.18:39
NIN101besides scaning the in intervals via iwconfig, but this drains the battery.18:40
infobotNIN101 meant: besides scaning the in intervals via iwlist, but this drains the battery.18:41
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DocScrutinizertotalizator: to swap keymat you just need to remove the 2 torx screws and the frame around kbd comes off18:56
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AndrewX192How well does the N9 terminal emulator work? Is it anything in comparison to X-Terminal on the Nokia N900?18:57
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DocScrutinizertotalizator: loosing the philips screws a lil bit may help, as you can "bend" away the screen slide then by 0.5mm18:59
DocScrutinizertotalizator: took me like 10 min to swap the keymat and re-insert the frame to the hooks at "upper" end, but I didn't unscrew anything completely except the 2 torx under the frame19:01
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nealDocScrutinizer: I can't find any info about replacing the clock battery, but I think you've posted something.  DO you have some keywords I can use to search?  Thanks.20:56
DocScrutinizererr, lemme try to find sth for you20:57
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DocScrutinizerthe last one might be a search term to spot convo logs21:01
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nealsecond question: since one of my n900s no longer charges although the usb port has not fallen out, do you think that the usb port's legs are broken?21:03
nealand if so, do you think a repair shop has a chance of fixing it?21:03
nealouch! Es fällt eine Pauschale (Verpackung, Verzollung, Versand) von €20,00 einmalig pro Auftrag an21:05
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SpeedEvilneal: First try another cable21:07
nealI did21:07
nealI tried a couple21:08
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nealand the calbe works (I charged a different n900 using it)21:08
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DocScrutinizerneal: (2nd Q) yes, and yes21:09
infobotusbfix is, like, - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)21:10
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DocScrutinizerneal: (20€) I'd buy 5 cells at 2.50€ each from you ;-D21:14
DocScrutinizeror 10 @ 1.80€21:17
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DocScrutinizerdang, #meego still got 31 users more than #maemo21:22
nealDocScrutinizer: I'll likely buy them.21:23
nealDocScrutinizer: Do you know anyone else who is interested?21:23
merlin1991neal: what are you ordering?21:23
DocScrutinizergiven my bookmark was I think either moh or ZogG  or dunno somebody else over there asked me21:24
nealmerlin1991: Replacement capacitor for the n90021:24
merlin1991hehe I need that too21:24
merlin1991mine's been dead since about a year21:25
DocScrutinizerthey all die21:25
DocScrutinizeras these are not capacitors but LiIon cels that are very poorly manufactured21:25
DocScrutinizerI hope for a near infinite life for the replacement I suggested21:26
DocScrutinizerit's already tested to work21:26
nealthe replacement is a capacitor, right?21:26
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DocScrutinizerwill not offer the >1 year standby of a good LiIon bupbat, but then a LiIon seems dead for good after <1year21:27
DocScrutinizerneal: yes21:27
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DocScrutinizershall power your RTC for > 1 week, with main battery removed21:27
nealI guess I can order a bunch.21:28
nealmerlin1991: does 3 euros sound fair?21:28
nealfor one21:28
x29afor a powercap?21:28
neal~2 euros each plus postage to .at21:28
x29ayeah, why not21:28
merlin1991sounds fair21:28
nealDocScrutinizer: Have you actually tried this, btw?21:29
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DocScrutinizerwhat? ordering? or the cap as replacement?21:30
nealusing the cap as a replacement21:30
DocScrutinizersome users in here did it and said "thank you so much Doc"21:31
merlin1991hm where did that l1/l2 pdf go21:31
merlin1991I know I have it *somewhere*21:31
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nealof course, the quote was without tax :/21:32
merlin1991on a windows box doc :/21:32
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merlin1991guess where I found21:34
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merlin1991on the n921:35
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nealSie sind Privatkunde, möchten aber auf das umfangreiche Produktangebot von Farnell zugreifen? Wenden Sie sich bitte an unseren autorisierten Fachhandelspartner (21:35
nealand they don't have the part21:35
x29aneal: where are you from?21:36
nealI'm in germany21:36 buerklin.de21:36
nealx29a: Do I have an accent :-)21:36
DocScrutinizerconrad :-x21:36
nealI don't like conrad :-)21:36
x29aneal: are you by any chance a student? they can order at farnell21:37
DocScrutinizerand conrad doesn't have that cap21:37
nealreichelt doesn't seem to have it either21:37
nealI am a student.  I didn't see that option.21:38
x29aneal: they need a proof of your student status, just email them21:38
nealdo you think they'll let me order so many of one part?21:38
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x29a"Ja, Studenten sind bei der Online-Bestellung willkommen und haben Anspruch auf einen 12%igen Rabatt"21:39
nealoh, 12% rebate :)21:39
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DocScrutinizerneal: farnell doesn't tell me any crap about students only etc21:48
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nealDocScrutinizer: I was on http://de.farnell.com21:48
DocScrutinizercompleted step1 of "KAsse" with their standard kundennummer and PIN for new customers21:49
nealDocScrutinizer: When I went to check out, I saw the message I cited21:49
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DocScrutinizerpayment "Rechnung"21:49
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nealDocScrutinizer: I didn't try to go further figuring that they'd reject me or ask for a vat id21:49
DocScrutinizererr sorry21:49
DocScrutinizer>>Meine Bestellung : 2. Lieferdetails<<21:50
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x29adocscrutinizer: is the fact that i said that students can order there (and did it already myself) not legitimate enough?21:50
nealif you order some, I'll buy 4 from you for 2.50 each :)21:51
x29awhy are you not ordering?21:51
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DocScrutinizerI'm not going to proceed on that for now21:51
nealbecause DocScrutinizeris21:51
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x29aok, im obviously missing an important part of the conversation21:52
x29athough you were the one ordering stuff21:52
nealyeah, but now I need to scan stuff21:52
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neal= delay21:52
DocScrutinizerhaven't seen *any* rant about "we won't sell to you"21:53
nealnow I want the 12% discount too :)21:53
x29adocscrutinizer: continue to buy, they will email you, that only students and companies can order there21:53
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x29adocscrutinizer: and it says "sie sind privatkunde..." at the bottom of the page you linked21:54
DocScrutinizerI *am* a company, so how would they pester me with such BS?21:54
x29athen there is no problem ordering21:54
x29awhats your point?21:54
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nealI still need 3 more people to review my packages for Woodchuck: , thanks.21:58
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DocScrutinizeremail from farnell-> >> Sie haben Ihr persönliches Webkonto auf erfolgreich eröffnet und haben jetzt Zugriff auf das führende Angebot im Bereich Halbleiter, Passive, Automatisierungstechnik, Instandhaltung und Werkstattbedarf. Der Benutzername Ihres Webkontos lautet: ...<<22:03
DocScrutinizerneal, I can't see why you couldn't order at farnell22:04
x29adocscrutinizer: if you order as a private person, they will reject your order once you place it and tell you to use their distributor22:05
DocScrutinizerthat's insane22:05
x29aonly company accounts (with valid vat numbers and stuff) or students can order there22:05
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x29aworks for them, obviously. its a bit shady, agreed22:05
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DocScrutinizerand btw I had no chance to even enter my valid VAT number naywhere22:06
x29ai never registered as a company, the support will help you though22:07
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: when you create account they ask for that stuff22:07
DocScrutinizerno, they didn't22:07
jacekowskiwhat are you buying?22:08
DocScrutinizerI'm already registered22:08
DocScrutinizersorry, I have no time for that now22:08
jacekowskiiirc you have to do it on paper if you are company22:08
jacekowskiand then you get credit with them and whatnot22:08
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n900backeris it possible conversation notify us when someone gets online?22:19
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DocScrutinizern900backer: maybe dbus-monitor would reveal sth. I don't think there's a function to do that ootb22:24
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DocScrutinizerdbus scripting would do the trick if you can find a dbus msg that tells about online status of a contact changed22:26
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DocScrutinizersorry I can't do that as I have *no* contacts that change their status22:27
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merlin1991anyone wanna play guinea pig for cssu stable?22:52
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nealover the weekend, I'll likely have time22:53
nealwhat needs to be checked?22:53
merlin1991technically it should just work (tm), but we wan't to check it running on a few devices before we push it into the repos22:54
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Sicelohow much data  will this involve?22:54
merlin1991~30 mb22:55
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Sicelotomorrow then (not enough bandwidth here atm)22:56
Siceloi guess i'll have to disable devel repo22:57
merlin1991devel as in extras-devel or cssu-testing?22:57
merlin1991no problem with that22:59
merlin1991only thing that doesn't work is going from cssu-testing to cssu-stable22:59
Siceloi'm jst on pr1.3.1, with pk4723:00
infobotSicelo meant: i'm just on pr1.3.1, with pk4723:00
merlin1991should work just fine (and I hope after you tested we can say it indeed works fine :D)23:00
Sicelonp. i've been wanting to go cssu route since a week ago23:01
merlin1991so far it only runs on my n900 so I don't want to generalise yet23:01
merlin1991btw anybody who wants to peak what's going to come with stable:
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Siceloi must remember to remove modified-hildon-desktop too :/23:05
merlin1991yes that is important23:05
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merlin1991when cssu started we had an average of 3 cases with cssu + modified-h-d --> endless updates with no results23:06
merlin1991*average per day*23:06
DocScrutinizerneal: check camera and modest23:06
nealDocScrutinizer: ?23:06
DocScrutinizerin Stable23:07
Siceloin cssu i will be able to do that ctrl-bkspc thing on DocScrutinizer's tools page?23:07
nealoh, now I understand what you mean23:07
nealwill do23:07
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: camera and modest are not touched by stable23:07
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: exactly23:08
DocScrutinizerthat's what needs check23:08
merlin1991ah yeah, true23:08
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DocScrutinizeras that's "all new" in S23:09
DocScrutinizernews is there's no news now ;-D23:09
Sicelobtw, what is hildon-home?23:10
DocScrutinizerfor the occasional listener: Stable has no improvements to camera and modest/mail as they are not considered stable yet23:10
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DocScrutinizerso that's sth you won't get on S but Testing has those patches resp a whole new camera-ui23:11
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: it will come, eventually ;)23:11
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DocScrutinizernot considered stable *yet*23:12
nealDocScrutinizer: What's your take on gta04?23:12
DocScrutinizerso CSSU-S needs testing for the kicking out of those cam/modest stuff didn't break anything23:13
merlin1991Sicelo: hildon-desktop and hildon-home build the desktop together23:13
DocScrutinizerneal: :shrug:23:13
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merlin1991aiui home does the "desktop" rendering while desktop is the manager for all windows23:13
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DocScrutinizerneal: on GTA01/02 we did PV runs with a number of devices > the number of GTA04 available to order23:14
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Sicelothanks for explanation. :)23:15
DocScrutinizerso basically you order a prototype23:15
MrOppositeI got some problems with my n90023:15
nealDocScrutinizer: So, doomed to failure?23:15
MrOppositeAfter I installed MyMenu23:15
DocScrutinizerfrom history and empiric yes23:15
MrOppositeNot installed23:15
MrOppositeTRIED to install23:15
MrOppositethe installation failed23:16
MrOppositeso I removed mymenu23:16
MrOppositeand then all my applications went away from the menu23:16
MrOppositeThere's more23:16
MrOppositeif I create a shortcut to the application on my desktop23:16
merlin1991anything left in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ ?23:16
MrOppositethe shortcut doesn't do anything23:16
MrOppositeI don't know23:16
MrOppositeMaybe SSH still work23:17
merlin1991ctrl+shift+x for a console should work23:17
MrOppositeI didn't know that23:17
rlyI got my auto connect on plugin of phone to work. :)23:17
MrOppositeI was inaccurate23:18
MrOppositeSOME applications are left23:18
MrOppositealthough most are gone23:18
MrOppositeCalculator, Clock, Settings, OVI store, Maps, Camera, Media player, E-mail, Photos, Calendar, Contacts, Conversations, Phone and web is still there23:18
MrOppositethe rest is gone23:18
MrOppositelike xchat, xterm tweego23:19
DocScrutinizer~lart mymenu23:19
* infobot overclocks mymenu until mymenu burns out23:19
rlyDocScrutinizer: do you also use Eth over USB?23:19
MrOppositealtho all applications .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications/hildon23:19
MrOppositeI've tried both restarting the phone and hildon-desktop23:20
MrOppositeIs the solution a reflash, or can I save it somehow?23:20
merlin1991MrOpposite: did you install from devel or from testing?23:21
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DocScrutinizermymenu has messed up your hd strucrue/settings23:21
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merlin1991MrOpposite: as long as you have a terminal you should be able to fix that without a reflash23:22
MrOppositeYea, that's what I thought23:22
MrOppositealtho I don't know how23:22
MrOppositeI am experienced with the terminal in general23:22
MrOppositejust not on the maemo OS23:22
MrOppositehey look23:22
MrOppositeI tired installing mymenu again23:23
MrOppositeand it seemed to work23:23
MrOppositeI was gonna try that when the installation failed last time23:23
MrOppositealtho I didn't have application manager nor the terminal23:23
MrOppositeto try it...23:23
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MrOppositeAnyway thanks for solving my problem :D23:24
merlin1991huh mymenu in testing has a carma of minus 823:24
merlin1991first comment: After installing this application my menu is baisicly empty. The only applications remaining a the default ones (excluding xterm, application manager, pdf viewer). Shortcuts on the homescreen don't work unless they exist in the menu. Uninstalling the package does not fix this.23:24
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MrOppositeMaaaybe I should have read that23:25
DocScrutinizersee e.g ~user/.local/share/applications/hildon23:26
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MrOppositeDocScrutinizer that directory is empty on my device23:27
DocScrutinizerthere's a number of ways mymenu might have messed up hd settings23:27
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DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: also check what's in /usr/share/applications23:33
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merlin1991hm karma on is weird23:34
merlin1991I have eactly 4 thanks in the talk forums, but karma sais I've got 16 points karma from thanks on tmo23:35
MrOppositecumulus defaults.list hildon hidlon-control-panel hildon-home hildon-notification hildon-status-menu image-viewer mimeinfo.cache python2.5.desktop shemeinfo.cache uri-action-defaults.list23:35
MrOppositeMaybe I should have commaseparated the list?23:36
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: somewhere there's a link on that page to a wikipage explaining how those values get calculated23:36
DocScrutinizerMrOpposite: looks sane23:37
merlin1991Itt_thanks, thanks for TMO posts: 8 * sqrt(# thanks)  well it's correct but still weird23:37
DocScrutinizerMacer: ???23:38
Macerthat's what i said :)23:38
Macerthen it stayed at 0.4 for like an hour23:38
DocScrutinizerso what's the use of posting random unrelated URLs here?23:39
Macerwith the red light blinking23:39
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Macerunrelated to........ maemo?23:39
DocScrutinizerunrelated to anything23:39
DocScrutinizerwhat am I supposed to do with that?23:40
MrOppositebe nice to eachother... It was infact an image of the battery acting weird and I found it amuzing.23:40
DocScrutinizerclick on it to get a virus?23:40
merlin1991lulz and live one?23:40
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Macer:) cmon DocScrutinizer .. the graph doesn't give you a giggle?23:40
merlin1991if you're to scared of the page ;)23:40
DocScrutinizerI'm not even pondering to click random unrelated URLs to find out why the F*CK the OP posted them here23:41
DocScrutinizerit's just triggering the spam alarm here23:42
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MrOppositeWell he could have added a comment about the link...23:43
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corecodeany idea how i can easily build a .dsc?23:43
corecodei'm trying to see if is the bug i'm experiencing23:44
povbotBug 12387: broken audio/video gtalk calls23:44
Macerspam alarm?23:44
Macerooookay. well ... obviously have had bad experiences with web pages :) sorry. i thought it was related to maemo but to each their own.23:45
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DocScrutinizerMacer: if you thought it was related to maemo then you might have explained that and suggested what to do with that URL23:46
DocScrutinizerthis is not a better google page where URLs pop up to give users sth to click on as they dun't know what to do with their time23:47
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DocScrutinizeron other channels posting of URLs is completely forbidden, or at least may earn you a kickban when done in an uncommented unsolicited way like you did23:48
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rlyIs there some way to autokill browserd when it is stuck in some infinite loop?23:49
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rlyOr better: can't someone fix browserd?23:50
rlyCan one replace browserd in some way?23:50
DocScrutinizerMacer: if you'd have added "a funny graph of battery voltage: <URL>" then users can decide what to do. Either click the URL or think "meh" and ignore it. Just posting the URL is not helpful23:51
merlin1991rly: one can replace *anything* as long as one has a valid replacement23:52
Siceloi think jonwil has made it possible rly, but i wonder if there's something wrong with your N900. I don't get too many problems with browserd23:52
rlymerlin1991: so, browserd is open-source?23:52
ShadowJKUpdated "internal resistance" and "shutdown margin" graphs with my original BL-5J battery at 230 cycles (First measurement done at 160 cycles). (yellow and blue). Also the margin:
rlyIs it really open-source in that there is a program which enables you to actually replace it easily?23:53
rlySicelo: everythign appears to function fine.23:53
rlySicelo: it is just a software problem, I think, as everything else is wroking.23:53
DocScrutinizerrly killall browserd23:54
merlin1991achipa: did you commit libtelepathy-qt4 (0.7.3) to extras-devel?23:54
rlyDocScrutinizer: yes, I did that, but I don't want to do that every time.23:54
achipamerlin1991: I have no recollection of that23:54
rlyAll the software I write has to be pretty much perfect.23:54
DocScrutinizerbrowserd isn't supposed to go awry every time23:54
rlyWhy can't the same hold for others?23:54
achipamerlin1991: would say it's more likely Kate did that, tho23:55
rlyDocScrutinizer: it happens when there are 'software updates'.23:55
DocScrutinizernever seen here23:55
rlyOr rather happened.23:55
merlin1991I was only guessing you might have done it since it relates to your qt-mobility work23:55
rlyCan't I attach gdb on the phone?23:55
Sicelorly: u can schedule a killall browserd in alarmed for a time when you're asleep23:56
merlin1991gave me some trouble with missing members and whatnot when compiling the stock qt-mobility23:56
* ShadowJK doesn't remember the last time he killed browserd23:56
DocScrutinizerme neither23:56
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achipamerlin1991: oh that, yes, ran into that one myself23:56
rlySicelo: that still eats the battery for the rest of the day.23:56
rlySo, apt-get install gdb?23:56
ShadowJKSometimes I kill -11 browserd on N800 ;-)23:56
achipamerlin1991: though was a result of some weird hack... I just commented out the offending line in mobility23:57
achipawas some very kooky skype account handling23:57
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merlin1991yeah, qt-mobility depends on the protokolname as a qstring protocol() whilst the new lib has protocolName()23:58
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rlyDo n900 dev skills transfer to other phone type development or is it basically a waste of time if I ever want to do something with e.g. Android?23:59

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