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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, mine sounds like a graveyard00:14
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LaoLang_coolafter apt-get, a warning: GPG error, how to solve it?02:54
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Guest40473i've had terrible luck searching up a solution to this05:55 maps desktop/mobile site just displays grey space on n90005:55
Guest40473cannot see map tiles, this happens with microB or firefox, both on 3g and home wifi05:56
Guest40473all i see are 2009 forums posts that are like: "oh wow, maps works great!1"05:56
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luke-jrGuest40473: wfm06:19
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Guest40473never worked for me.07:18
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Guest40473that is useful information, though.07:22
SpeedEvilI wonder if it's a DNS issue.07:22
SpeedEvilBut for it to be on 3G and wifi...07:23
Guest40473that is what always made me think it was a google/browser issue07:25
Guest40473i was quite surprised when firefox did not work either, though.07:25
SpeedEvilI'd try wget07:27
SpeedEvilCan you load
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SpeedEvilor any tile image if you copy the url07:28
SpeedEvilfrom a desktop07:28
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Guest40473may have to wireshark this.07:29
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Macerso is faster app manager going to ever be the default?08:10
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Macerback on the transformer :)08:21
Macerhope this damn bl-5j battery charger shows up some time soon08:21
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ShadowJKprobably not, it doesn't handle some things08:27
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Macerah ok08:28
Macerjust thought it was a lot nicer considering you can do batch installs08:29
Macerwhich comes in handy :)08:29
woldrichcomes in handy...08:29
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woldrichnot being able to install more than one application at a time is just retarded. I know that even dpkg, as retarded as it might be, can do that08:30
LaoLang_coolHow about maemo 5 community pr? Are you using it?08:31
Macerthe interface is nicer as well08:31
Macerin faster app manager08:31
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kerionot to mention it has the best name ever08:34
Macerkerio: yeah... that's what makes it special08:35
LaoLang_coolIs it recommended?08:35
kerioLaoLang_cool: sure, why not08:35
LaoLang_coolkerio: Is it still under active development? I heard that the community update makes OS more smoothy and speedy and power saving, is it true?08:36
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Maceri wouldn't say power saving heh08:40
Macerbut then again power is relative to use08:40
LaoLang_coolMacer: I mean in the same condition of course :)08:40
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ShadowJKI imagine if you use catorise or similar it'll use less power as the hildon-desktop bug with that has been fixed08:50
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LaoLang_coolAh, I use the native GUI, so it won't have such issue08:54
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madkickersi have installed mysocials but it doesn't support facebook while in its page it says it is for services like facebook09:05
cehtehask for your money back09:06
woldrichthere are services that's like facebook that's not facebook09:07
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madkickerswoldrich: of course.but pictures of the application in the garage say somethin else. and if u dont know the answer please dont waste my time.tnx09:09
woldrichuh, ok09:09
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Maceryeah i have to edit the keymap09:44
Maceri have to remember where i am supposed to edit it :) i will figure it out later09:46
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Maceri wish su8w was listed in extkbd09:46
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Maceri cn't find the page that explained what i need to put into the symbols file to make it so return works on my su8w with the phone closed10:02
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Macergot it :)10:28
Macerthey seriously need to change that in the extkbd pkg10:28
Maceror at least make it so it changes it on itÅ´´´´10:28
Maceroh wtf10:29
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Macerok that is kind of odd10:35
Macerthose two keys are acting weird10:35
Maceri have to double tap them to get them to work10:35
Macer´ ¨10:35
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Macerok fixed... awesome :) and people say that you can't use an su8w with an n90010:38
Macerworks like a champ now...10:38
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Macerneed to run backupmenu again so the world doesn't end lmao10:44
Macerat least i think i have it hardwired into my brain how it is done. i remember me taking twice as long to fix this last time10:45
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trampIs there another XLS spreadsheet viewer besides "Documents to Go". I went through the but didn't find one.10:50
tramps/through the/through the list/10:51
infobottramp meant: Is there another XLS spreadsheet viewer besides "Documents to Go". I went through the list but didn't find one.10:51
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Maceri am a little confused.. why does putting the gvoice plugin in "away" mode save battery?10:59
Macerdamn. i need to get the video encoding script11:02
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, Nokia replied to my MIA N950 email11:21
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hiemanshuMohammadAG: they are sending another one for you?11:23
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MohammadAGhiemanshu, cause I totally need another device stuck in customs11:24
hiemanshuMohammadAG: what are they gonna do then?11:25
MohammadAGhiemanshu, whatever they can do to get it to me11:26
MohammadAGor sue Israel I guess11:26
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MohammadAGthey contacted DHL and CC'd me11:29
Maceryou're in israel?11:30
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Macerdamn. mencoder only uses one thread .. lame11:34
Macerisraeli or palenstinian?11:35
MohammadAGthe name gives a hint you know :p11:36
MohammadAGbut I don't live in the Palestinian Territories11:37
jaskamossad wanted one11:38
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jonwilok, I have a 1.25ltr bottle of Coca-Cola, some really nice dark chocolate, a nice long todo list and nothing else going on tonight. Tonight I do N900 hacking like I have never done before :)11:50
jonwilI am going to continue my work on the N900 vkb stuff, investigate the osso-backup encrypted backup format and look into all the closed source browser plugins and add-ins currently installed on my N900 (nokia maps, media player etc)11:51
trampMohammadAG: Why are they holding your phone? Suspected spying?11:52
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MohammadAGtramp, nope, they're just being retarded11:52
MohammadAGthere's no reason, they say it's going to be released tomorrow everday11:53
MohammadAGthey've been saying that for a month now11:53
jonwilI am also going to look at the Nokia Maps HTML (in conjunction with the plugins) and see if its possible to write some code and HTML/JS to render Google Transit GTFS data (such as that put out by my local transit operator) in Nokia Maps11:53
jonwilI may end up pulling an all-nighter on this one :P11:54
trampMacer: I don't know about gvoice, but Conversations and Contacts saves battery when away by not querying the server.11:55
trampMohammadAG: Maybe they found your unusual porno collection11:56
MohammadAGtramp, on a new device? Nokia ships that? cool11:57
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trampOnly if personally requested.11:58
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trampjonwil: Did you have any luck reversing those functions?11:59
tramp*function prototypes11:59
trampjp MohammadAG, so you're from Israel?12:00
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jonwilStill working on the libimlayout stuff12:00
trampHow is it going over there?12:01
MohammadAGsame as always, not as bad as the media shows it12:01
MohammadAGat least in Israeli parts, I'm in Haifa, uni dorms12:01
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trampMohammadAG: Cool, what is up with what I hear about USA policy changing with Israel?12:03
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trampFrom what I gather we've always been tight, but our administration is getting complacent12:05
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jonwilI think there is a lot of pressure from Arab countries and others against Israel and the US to meet Palestine in the middle and accept that a 100% independent Palestine is the only viable outcome of the peace process12:06
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tramp100% independent? Does Israel threaten their independence?12:08
jonwilThey are not independent right now12:08
jonwilThey are fighting for statehood12:08
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petterimaybe stay on topic here12:08
Macertramp: so... it stops polling?12:09
Macerthat sucks. for that you should just disconnect12:09
Macerif it doesnt poll for new txts12:09
trampMacer: no12:09
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trampMacer: Sometimes i want to be online while saving as much batt as possoble12:10
trampwhen im 'Away' that means dont text me :)12:11
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trampMohammadAG: Well I'll to look into more but I'm sure it's bs12:12
MohammadAGlook into what?12:13
Macertramp: maybe if away changed the polling12:14
trampPalestinian independence12:14
Macerthat might be better12:14
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Macerie: change it from 1 min to once an hour when "away"12:14
MohammadAGit's not indepdant right now12:14
trampand why they want it12:14
tramponce and hour or 30 minutes would be good12:15
MacerMohammadAG: lol!12:15
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Macersorry.. didnt see that. yeah. figured palenstine12:16
Macerhey.. you never know.. a jew could name their child mohammad some day12:16
Macerearlier.. i asked where he was in israel12:17
psycho_oreosI've heard Mohammad is a very common name in Arabic countries. Much like the name John is in the western world :þ12:17
Macerand i asked him just because his name12:17
trampis palestine jewish?12:17
Macerpsycho_oreos: very common is an understatement12:17
Macerusually :)12:17
psycho_oreosMacer, not really, its simplified12:18
Macerthat is like the name David amongst the jews12:18
HaXeriIsraeli is jewish12:19
HaXeriothers are Muslim12:19
MacerHaXeri: not really12:19
trampor the name Macer among nuisances12:19
Maceri am sure you don't HAVE to be a jew to live in israel12:19
Macerthere might be a few christians here and there12:19
HaXeriyes there are also christian12:19
Macerjudaism is a religion not a race12:19
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trampthere are christians everywhere, even in korea12:20
Maceri never understood that about people referring israelis as "jews"12:20
Macergranted the majority of the population is jewish.. but not all of it12:20
trampwell...korean prisons and execution lines12:20
Macerit would be like the world calling americans christians12:20
Macerjust because the majority of americans are christian12:20
Macertramp: only north america12:20
Macerfreudian slip12:20
HaXerikorea is the best q:D and nihon12:21
psycho_oreosYou know, we should start renaming this channel #chat12:21
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Macerthat's so cool.. i ghave been using my bluetooth keyboard on my n900 this entire time12:21
trampthanks, i didnt want to type that on this little kbd12:21
Macerfor some reason it seems to work  perfect on the n90012:21
Maceront he n810 it had some wierd repeat problem12:21
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Maceroh wow... it doesn't repeat at all lol.. i guess that is a good way to fix it12:22
trampif i had a bt kbd id use it all the time12:22
HaXeri>2011 >uses n81012:22
trampi have usb, so cant use while charging12:22
Maceri still have my n81012:22
Macerwhen i order my synology diskstation i am getting a mini sd adapter for it and turning it into a low power server12:22
Maceri was hoping to use debian if i can get it to run on the thing bare metal12:23
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Maceri don't want to use a maemo chroot12:23
HaXeriwhat are you going to do with a low power server?12:23
Macernamed.. shells.. irssi12:23
HaXeriVPS costs ~11£12:23
trampjonwil: You can paste me the dasm and i can look at that12:24
Macerit's for the home12:24
HaXerionly reason yo have a homeserver would be survelliance system or warez12:24
Maceri am replacing a huge server with a synology and an n81012:24
Maceror a home office :-P12:24
Macerwith numerous clients and employees connecting to it12:24
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trampAnyone know of a better app than DocsToGo for viewing Excel xls files12:25
Maceri want to eliminate the power whore of a server tho tha eats up 300W constantly12:25
Macerand replace it with a synology that uses 30W max but still provides the same amount of space12:25
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Macerusign 4x3TB vs 8x1TB12:25
Sicelotramp: gnumeric. or Oo if u have Easy Debian12:26
Maceri never did get cups workign on the n90012:26
Macerthat is the only thing missing12:26
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trampderp Oo ofc12:26
Macercups and abiword and gnumeric that can print directly12:26
trampis gnumeric faster than Oo?12:27
trampOo is great for power, but i need a faster app for most tasks12:28
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Maceri've never used a chroot on the n900 but i am sure it still runs like shit :)12:28
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trampi was about to figure out how to print arbitrarily from the cli and then i bricked it12:29
trampchroot runs great12:29
Maceryou bricked it??12:29
trampOo is slow on its own12:29
Macerfair point12:29
trampMacer: I did something unrelated and had to reflash12:29
Macerthat's not bricking it then12:30
trampcouldnt think of another 5 letter word12:30
trampall this tapping hurts12:31
trampbrick was more specific12:31
Maceri wish someone would port the stylus keyboard to the n90012:31
trampim using the n900 kbd12:31
trampstylus kbd?12:31
Macerat least that worked rather well... the thumb keyboard on the n900 is awful12:31
psycho_oreosvkbd I'm guessing in other words12:32
trampwhats wrong with it?12:32
Maceryes. the one frome maemo412:32
trampi can type this fast with it12:32
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Macerlol.. that doesn't really show me how fast you are typing when it is just a line of txt that pops up on irc12:32
trampit only hurts after flaming 5 or so boards12:32
Macernot to mention the fact that hitting enter on conversations makes a new line12:32
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Macerinstead of close keyboard and send12:33
Macerso you hgave to type... then tap the top to get rid of the vkb.. then hit the send button12:33
Macerthat is retarded :)12:33
trampwhen i had a vkbd on droid it sucked when it wouldnt respond instantly12:33
Macerit is why the vkb on mine is perm disabled.. but then again.. now it has to be because i have it set up for my bt keyboard12:34
trampa phys kbd always reaponds12:34
Macerso I removed KPEN from the symbols12:34
Macerso i can hit enter while the phone is closed12:34
Macerhm... let me see if i can throw a picture up somewhere...12:35
trampi dont understand how a vkbd can be better than a phys kbd12:36
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MohammadAGanyone know what the best way of setting up internet in the car is?12:40
MohammadAGI was thinking of getting a rechargable MiFi router12:41
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psycho_oreosyeah those can be easily found. I think Huawei makes those small handheld MiFi router with wireless capability and internal batteries12:42
psycho_oreosit also goes by USB -> microUSB port so if you got a ciggy lighter -> USB adapter you can charge it up as you drive along I suppose12:43
MohammadAGany ideas if I can add another ciggy lighter?12:44
MohammadAGone isn't enough :p12:44
psycho_oreosyeah you can, by buying a `hub' so to speak12:44
psycho_oreosYou can get one of those ciggy lighters hub that gives you two, three or even four ciggy lighters port12:44
MohammadAGI have 2x microUSB charger12:45
MohammadAGcurrently I use it to charge the iPod and N90012:45
psycho_oreosI got one in me car, one ciggy lighter -> three ciggy lighters12:45
MohammadAGif I get a mifi router that's joikuspot gone12:46
MohammadAGbut I still need GPS in the iPod12:46
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, mind pointing me at one?12:46
trampwhy do you have both an iphone and n900?12:46
psycho_oreostwo individual microUSB chargers? or one of those fancy iPad type chargers with two USB ports on it?12:46
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I only know of local (.au) site but sure, lemme dig it up12:46
MohammadAGbecause I need its apps, mainly Waze12:47
trampi just saw that12:47
jonwilWhat sort of car do you have?12:47
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, latter12:47
MohammadAGjonwil, VW Golf12:47
Maceri will finish that later when i take sscreen shots etc12:47
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, heh I'd love to just buy that sort of head by itself :D12:47
* jonwil hates German cars :P12:48
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, that's how I got it12:48
Macerdamn... i didn't even see if ther was a wordpress app for maemo lol12:48
* MohammadAG hates Japanese cars12:48
MohammadAGlovely tech, unstable on the road12:48
jonwilCan anyone suggest which of these I should work on first?12:48
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I know, but I'm in need for that sort of adapter heads. Its not handy to have 3 individual USB chargers for 3 N900 for instance when I want to plug things like GTech Pro and maybe even my old phone12:49
Maceris that.. an actual official wordpress app for maemo ? :)12:50
psycho_oreosjonwil, I'd personally vote for number 3 on that list. I could imagine that would go off with a hit if you do succeed.12:50
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Maceri agree12:51
Macerhaving a google maps supported nav app for maemo would be great12:51
MohammadAGiPod cable not included, so you're safe :p12:51
Macerconsidering ovi maps is so absolutely horrible.. i still can't figure out how to use it12:51
MohammadAGMacer, ++12:51
MohammadAGMappero's good for routing, not sure about navi12:51
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MohammadAGthe iPhone app is awesome, no turn by turn so you have to keep looking12:52
Maceri have been trying to figure out forever how to use ovimaps12:52
MohammadAGWaze is perfect for me12:52
MohammadAGI wish they'd make a maemo/meego version12:52
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, 10W?!?!? holy #&$*%$@!! I might as well hook a hub off one of those port and have 3 N900 plus N95-1 on that same hub lol. Thanks for the link :D Also did you check my link before?12:52
psycho_oreosand I also personally own an iPod as well, it was me dad's gift lol12:53
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, yeah, I'm not sure where to put it in the golf though12:53
jonwilI think I will finish some testing for #1 to finish the libimlayout stuff if I can, then I will work on reverse engineering browser stuff12:53
psycho_oreosold iPod mind you, 5.5G (video)12:53
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, hmm do you have something like a glove box?12:53
MohammadAGyeah, but cables won't go in that I guess12:54
MohammadAGoh, from the back12:54
psycho_oreosnah I'd have cables hanging out12:54
psycho_oreoswell yeah if you drilled a hole :D12:54
MohammadAGmakes the car look ugly :p12:54
* jonwil thinks any car named after a sport THAT boring cant be very good :P12:54
psycho_oreosjonwil, libimlayout? lemme guess IM messaging like conversations? just curiously12:54
jonwilno, im stands for input method12:55
MohammadAGI hated the golf before I got my licesne, loved mazdas12:55
psycho_oreoswell it'd make the car look ugly but *shrugs* hey at least its functional :D12:55
jonwilits used to decode the virtual keyboard layout files12:55
MohammadAGthen I drove one, it slipped at 60-70kmph12:55
psycho_oreosjonwil, ahh12:55
trampjonwil: I haven't tried the opera browser yet, but if it's no good I wish the nokia browser was better12:55
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, which mazda was it just out of curiousity?12:55
MohammadAGthe golf can easily do a turn at 130kmph without a slip12:55
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, Mazda 3 201112:55
MohammadAGa rental12:56
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, eww *shudders* both front wheelers. Spineless cars :D12:56
psycho_oreos<< abhors front wheelers12:56
MohammadAGI just love driving the golf12:56
jonwilI dont see a reason why it wouldn't be possible to bring a new Gecko version into the N900 MicroB if someone with Gecko knowledge was willing to put in the effort12:56
* psycho_oreos bets timeless probably would but heck, he's not even here let alone probably would care ;)12:57
jonwilthis is my dream car12:57
psycho_oreosVE :)12:57
jonwilThat or something really fast and british or italian12:57
jonwilActually, the ultimate car I have seen is a one-off custom job someone did (cant find a picture right now) where they took a partially damaged Jaguar XJ and turned it into a UTE12:59
jonwilTHAT would be the ultimate car12:59
trampjonwil: It might be helpful if it listed the benefits of each item13:00
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MohammadAGGolf GTI would be my car, if I had the money for it13:00
MohammadAGBritish cars suck, just watch top gear :p13:01
trampSome of the items we canned automatically just bc we dont know the benefit13:01
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, so you think a hub can be used on that adapter?13:01
MohammadAGI must admit the iPod charges quick on it13:02
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MohammadAGthe N900 otoh...13:02
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I you meant USB hubs or that ciggy lighter hub?13:02
MohammadAGthe 10W one13:02
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trampIn fact, I raise a request to rewrite the list and link the items to benefits13:02
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I think it might. Though I'd personally ask the seller how much can the hub actually output. You wouldn't want to hook too many things up if it has small wires interconnecting between the two things13:03
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vdvis there any default password for "user" user on maemo? i'm trying to ssh as user, but it asks a passwd13:05
tramppsycho_oreos: Just look at the hubs amp rating13:05
psycho_oreos <--- Fyi, my current ride except mine is blue13:05
tramppsycho_oreos: Or wattage13:06
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jonwilNice one psyco_oreos13:06
jonwilmy brother has a VY SS in white13:06
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psycho_oreostramp, doesn't say for the ciggy lighter sockets though. Only says amps for USB13:07
psycho_oreosjonwil, heh thanks :D gotta love utes :D13:07
vdvis it safe to set a password for "user" user?13:07
tramp:/ i hate that. i thought it was regulation too13:07
psycho_oreosvdv, there's no passwd for user, in other words you can't login as user without setting passwd on the account first as root13:08
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psycho_oreosvdv, ah well, its up to you for setting user's passwd as user. Personally I wouldn't13:08
psycho_oreostramp, heh I guess it varies from countries to countries. Then again it wouldn't hurt to ask the seller afterall before buying13:08
trampvdv: why cant you use key login?13:09
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tramppsycho_oreos: lol yeah13:10
vdvi've installed an app (i've packaged it myself), but binary runs only from terminal and only as root13:10
vdvif run it as user it says nothing on terminal13:10
vdvand gui window doesn't appear13:11
psycho_oreossuid it?13:11
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vdvthere's no "access denied" or so message13:11
vdvmain window just doesn't appear13:11
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trampdoes it req root?13:11
trampwhat is the app?13:12
psycho_oreoscustom made app13:12
vdvno, root is not required13:12
psycho_oreosvdv, hmm I must have misread, thought you said it needs root13:12
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, huwaei or ZTE?13:13
trampi love n900 multitasking. i dont see why ppl complain that the hardware isnt as new as some other phones. Im running 8 apps right now seemlessly, can the uPhone do that?13:13
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, I'm pretty sure its called Huawei, the one me brother got. Locally they've been branded as vodaphone mifi, but me brother's is 3 mifi (and he bought it from China)13:14
trampvdv: does it return you to the prompt immediately13:14
psycho_oreostramp, I guess people's mileage may vary :)13:14
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, ZTE is another manufacturer, I thought you had experience with both and knew which is best :p13:14
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, haha I'm afraid not13:15
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MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, do they have a site?13:15
tramppsycho_oreos: mileage?13:15
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, huawei's? or the seller site with that product for instance?13:15
psycho_oreostramp, like people use their device for various means. Some may play games all day. Some may listen to music all day etc.. Some does debugging.. all these could heavily influence the device's capability to multitask. Then again there's loads of impatient people out there that couldn't even spare maybe three seconds before declaring the device as bloat, slow, sluggish, etc13:16
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psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah huawei does have manufacturer site, hang on lemme see if I can find it13:17
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trampvdv: you could have packaged it wrong and it cant find a file it expects to find. that would be an unusual scenario the developer might not have prepared for13:17
woldrichthe n900 is pretty slow when playing 720p porn and having 2 sessions of angry birds running13:18
woldrichs/porn/action movie/13:18
infobotwoldrich meant: the n900 is pretty slow when playing 720p action movie and having 2 sessions of angry birds running13:18
psycho_oreos, that's their site. that's a reseller with that mifi I was referring to13:18
trampwoldrich: Why would you watch porn while you're playing angry birds?13:19
woldrichtramp, multitasking!13:19
trampand can the iPhone even do that?13:19
woldrichexactly :p13:19
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trampso they spend $800 or w/e on a cpu that sits at idle most of the time running their one app13:20
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, this is the one my operator sells
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, is it just me or does that one not have a screen at all to show you statuses? :) Then again huawei doesn't seem to support microSDHC expansion either. So its a bit of compromise13:23
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, OLED actually13:23
trampwhile im constantly tabbing out of irssi to install gnumeric, open a profit/loss spreadsheet, while i have articles open in a browser13:23
MohammadAGwhat's the expansion for?13:23
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, also I personally don't like to deal with router/AP devices that I cannot install openwrt for instance on. I have a much older huawei 3G router that I'm using (D100) and every moment of it I personally loathe13:24
trampand word processors13:24
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, ahh touchscreen I suppose? maybe not *shrugs*. The expansion for memory storage, maybe you could plug it in via USB to computer and make it act like a flash drive13:24
tramp(vim though XD)13:25
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, no use there, it's gonna sit in the car somewhere13:25
psycho_oreosdunno what else you can do with it if for instance you can't install openwrt.. then again it might come with built-in download manager so you can make it download to that microSD13:25
MohammadAGeither on the windshield (top right, somehow) or under the car seat if it gets a signal there13:25
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, *nods* then again I suppose that ZTE spec-wise is better. Again I don't have experience with either of these devices13:26
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MohammadAGI wonder if it charges via any generic USB13:26
psycho_oreoswindshield would probably give it some better chance imo for picking up signals. Then again it'll be out in the sun :D13:26
MohammadAGthen I could use my pioneer stereo13:26
RST38hMoo, Mohammad, how is life? Have you liberated your N950 ?13:27
MohammadAGI use AUX for sound anyway13:27
psycho_oreosnot sure, it might. I think N900 is the only most pickiest device I've come across13:27
MohammadAGtrue, it works with the 10W one13:27
MohammadAGand it doesn't pop the mass storage/PC Suite dialog with it13:28
MohammadAGRST38h, moo, no, but Nokia's contacting DHL/Israel about it13:28
psycho_oreosI'm guessing there's some sort of IC chip that talks to N900 saying that it is hi-powered or whatever13:28
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MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, FYI13:29
MohammadAGthe N900 charges from my car stereo13:29
MohammadAGthe iPod doesn't13:29
MohammadAGso the N900 isn't the pickiest13:29
psycho_oreosthough I have tried charging my N900 with two external battery packs with no dice13:30
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MohammadAGyou'll need to short D+/D-13:30
MohammadAGsince the stereo's USB is for data  I guess that's already done13:30
psycho_oreosfirst one was nokia dc-10, and the latter one was generic 18650 battery to USB power pack.13:31
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psycho_oreosheh I don't have head deck in me car, I pulled the old useless sony junk that was in there13:32
tramphow do you change pages in gnumeric?13:34
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jonwilcool, Simpsons is sending up Avatar13:53
jonwilhmmm, aparently Adobe has abandoned work on Flash Player Mobile13:56
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jonwilok, just about finished the vkb work for now, just writing a program to dump all the stock keyboard files and see if any of em have features the US keyboard file does not14:11
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* jonwil wonders what es_MX is for14:11
jonwilI know es_ES is spanish14:11
psycho_oreosmexican spanish14:11
jonwilyeah makes sense14:11
psycho_oreosafaik it goes by ccTLD in the letters written by caps14:12
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infobotpsycho_oreos meant: afaik it goes in ccTLD in the letters written by caps14:13
* psycho_oreos facepalms self14:13
psycho_oreoss/by caps/in caps/14:13
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: afaik it goes by ccTLD in the letters written in caps14:13
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cityLightsdid mohammadAG get his N950?14:27
cityLightswhere to ask about dns resolving in maemo?14:28
cityLightsI see dnsmasq is used14:28
cityLightsand a script to create /var/run/resolv files for each device14:29
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jonwilAlmost finished my analysis of the N900 vkb files :)14:41
jonwilso far nothing seems out of the ordnery14:42
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woldrichjonwil, what's that?14:46
jonwilvkb files are for the virtual keyboard14:46
jonwila little bit more work and I will have enough info to let you use
jonwilwhich is the lib that loads the vkb files14:47
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DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: no, resolv.conf is always on dnsmasq systems14:49
psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, well yeah except for the fact that /etc/resolv.conf can get overwritten though14:50
DocScrutinizeryeah *you* on N90014:50
DocScrutinizeryeah *you* can overwrite it and mess up the whole DNS on N90014:51
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* psycho_oreos points to openvpn being a culprit at one stage14:51
DocScrutinizerman dnsmasq14:52
* psycho_oreos digs up that thread about openvpn being a culprit lol14:53
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DocScrutinizerman dnsmasq | less +' In  order  to configure dnsmasq to act as cache for the host on which it is running, put "nameserver" in /etc/resolv.conf to force local processes to send queries to dnsmasq.'14:55
DocScrutinizers-'/..' even14:55
DocScrutinizerless +'/In order to con'14:55
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Macerthis amzer case doesn't fit properly15:21
Maceri have to send it back to amazon15:21
Macerand the damn thing is broken where a speaker is15:21
Maceri'm never going to find a good case for my n90015:21
Maceri can't find an otterbox15:21
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Macernow my n900 is wandering about wiht no condom on15:22
Macerit is going to catch the aids15:22
maybeWTFhearing aids?15:22
woldrichbut you might get another, smaller, lighter n90015:22
woldrichtotally worth it15:22
Macerno .. i need a cover for it15:24
Macerthat lets me slide the keygboard open15:24
Macersince my bluetooth keyboard works on it maybe i will get a boxwave armor case for it15:24
Macercan't go wrong witht hat15:24
jonwilok, good, I think I now understand all the features used by the N900 vkb files15:25
Macerjonwil:  you knopw a good n900 accessories site that doessn't suck?15:26
jonwilThe only N900 accessory I have is a clear plastic case15:26
jonwiland that was purchased locally15:26
Maceryeah. that is what i got too15:26
Maceran amzer clear plastic case15:26
Macerfrom amazon.. and it didn't clip on correctly15:26
jonwilIts basically 2 pieces of plastic, one of which fits around the bottom half of the phone and has a hole for the camera and stuff15:26
Macermade in china15:27
Macersame thing here15:27
jonwiland then a small rectangle for the top half of the phone15:27
jonwilthat surrounds the touchscreen15:27
Maceri got the same exact type .. but it didn't fit15:27
Macerone of the clips didn't clip on correctly15:27
jonwilIf I saw one, I would buy another because my current one is partially broken15:27
Macerthen when i pulled it off.. the speaker section snapped15:27
Maceri am sending it back to amazon15:27
woldrichthis bitch is all you need
Macerworldi saw that15:31
Macerthere aren't any good games for the n90015:31
Macerwell.. i would probably play the neogeo emulator before anything15:31
Macerjust for samurai showdown15:31
woldrichyou should try pacmanf15:32
woldrichand mrdo15:32
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woldrichneo mr do is also cool15:32
Maceri need a case first15:32
Maceri have to go to the PO and ship this broken piece ocf non fitting made in china shit back15:32
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jonwilI do believe I now have the first ever complete documentation of the .vkb files as it pertains to the N90015:51
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jonwilThe document I have covers everything I can see the n900 libs dealing with15:52
jonwiland all the features that are known to exist in the .vkb files but which the libs dont actually support15:52
jonwilor that arent used in the stock .vkb files15:52
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jonwilwell the stock .vkb files that I have on my own phone15:56
DocScrutinizerjonwil: that's great15:59
jonwilanyone know if its possible to get the rootfs out of a "combined" image, I want to see if any of the images other than "global" have any other bits related to hildon-input-method that may impact my work16:00
jonwilcurrently downloading all 5 versions of the n900 rootfs image16:01
jonwiloh wait I think the flasher program can do something with these files16:01
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jonwilwow, I am really pushing my ADSL2+ connection to its limits with these downloads16:03
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Maceri sure wish the gvoice txting worked a little better16:17
Macerthere are all types of issues with it16:17
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SpeedEvilArgh - stupid side-effects.16:31
SpeedEvilBecause I sent my n900 off to nokia to get fixed (or as the cae actually was - replaced withan e7), my regular alarm for tuesdays diddn't go off, so I forgot to put out the bin.16:31
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* jonwil hopes is N900 never breaks16:34
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jogaSpeedEvil got alarms for chores?16:37
* joga feels like a slob now16:37
SpeedEviljoga: I otherwise totally forget, and the bin gets full.16:38
jogamine gets full and stays that way until I start giving a shit16:38
SpeedEvilI mean the outside bin.16:39
SpeedEvilIt's only emptied once every two weeks.16:39
jogaI don't handle the outside bins myself...I just take out the trash :)16:39
SpeedEvilI have to push it 30m up to the end of the road.16:39
cityLightsDocScrutinizer: I need help with dnsmasq16:40
SpeedEvilcityLights: why?16:40
cityLightsafter I oad openvpn I generate /var/run/resolv.conf.tun016:40
cityLightsI also add a line with this path to /etc/dnsmasq.conf16:41
cityLightsyet the nameservers there are not used16:41
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cityLightseven after pkill -HUP dnsmasq16:41
cityLightshow to fix?16:41
SpeedEvilDo they work for ping?16:42
jonwilok, now I think I got all the bits I need in order for my kernel to be able to read the maemo jffs2 flash files16:43
cityLightsgrep tun0 /etc/dnsmasq.conf16:43
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cityLightsissue is that dnsmasq runs like this:16:44
cityLights/usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a -z16:44
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Gizmokid2005frals: ping?16:54
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jonwilbah, nothing I do will get these rootfs images to unpack :(17:03
SpeedEvilMy n900 images are offline, or I'd have a play.17:04
SpeedEvilMaybe search tmp?17:04
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DocScrutinizer51cityLights: I'd love to help, alas I'm abroad17:10
cityLightsso who can help me?17:10
DocScrutinizer51wait another 1 2h, I'll be back home17:11
SpeedEvilWhat do you mean by 'doesn't work'.17:11
SpeedEvilIf many of the inbuilt connections think there is no connection, tehy wo't do anything.17:12
SpeedEvilThis is no tth eproblem of DNS17:12
SpeedEvilThey check firt to see if it's online.17:12
jonwilok, looks like its a ubifs filesystem and not a jffs2 filesystem despite the filename17:13
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jonwilwhich means I need to hope gentoo can give me the right bits to mount those17:13
jonwilso far it seems to be doing so17:14
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DocScrutinizer51jonwil: yes ubi17:14
cityLightsI mean I can't ping a hostname known to the tun0 name server17:14
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jonwilaha, its mtd-utils I need to emerge :)17:17
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jonwilof all the filesystems known to man, ubi is the hardest I have ever had to work with17:19
jonwilbut I guess thats because its raw bytes to be fed to a flash chip17:19
jonwilwith filesystem data on top of that17:19
jonwilso its a pain because it has to do stuff that is normally done by the hardware on e.g. a USB key or other similar setup17:20
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vdvhi all17:22
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vdvmaybe somebody knows, i'm looking for some doc, tutorial with guidlines on making guis for mobile devices, i.e. guis that are usable on small screens17:24
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Macerwell.. i doubt you will find much help here17:25
Macerhildon is mostly closed17:25
nealmacer: hildon is largely open17:26
nealmacer: what parts do you think are closed?17:26
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Macerwell... applets17:27
keriohmm, applets :Q___17:28
nealmacer: I wouldn't describe that as hildon17:28
nealof course, the piece to use the applets is open17:28
nealso if you write your own applet, it can be "open"17:28
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jonwilok, so far so good, now it complains that ubifs is not a valid file type. Looks like I need more kernel modules...17:36
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jonwilaha, I have the ubi module but not the ubifs module17:38
jonwilso many kernel modules needed to mount a simple file system :(17:38
vdvi need some help with qt gui development17:39
vdvi'll ask better at #qt17:39
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SpeedEvilyou need a block->mtd emulator IIRC17:45
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jonwilI got all the bits mounted now18:00
jonwiland I got the files I wanted18:00
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jonwiland I can see that there is no extra vkb files in any of the regional images18:01
jonwilin all cases the packages for vkb files are the same18:01
jonwilI expected there might have been special vkb files for e.g. the middle east version (hebrew maybe)18:01
* jonwil wonders if there was ever a N900 with a chinese firmware and if so where he can get the rootfs image to play with18:01
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Estel_Hello there.18:07
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Estel_Is there a chance, that any knowledgable one here know what causes this issue?18:08
Macertha advanced power meter says i have a 85.3% charge18:10
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Macerbut the battery widget says 5018:10
Macerwth is going on?18:10
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Macerbattery eye agrees with the widget. is advanced power miscalculated or something?18:11
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jonwilok, so I finally know what is different in the different images of PR1.318:22
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DocScrutinizerjonwil: iirc the PR1.2-leaked was the HK version or sth like that18:23
DocScrutinizerso should have been cn_HK or sth18:23
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DocScrutinizerMacer: I dunno what any of those does, but I know there's only one way to get hw info about charge state - from bq27200 chip via i2cget. the bq27x00.ko module as found for PK is fsckdup and deprecated, and usually all those battery state widgets basically rely on lshal results and in turn on bme-guesswork18:26
DocScrutinizerMacer: either  or shadowjk's version of that shellscript that doesn't need bash. Both need i2ctools installed18:28
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Maceri see18:41
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Maceri was using the alternate bme for some odd reason.18:43
Macerswapping it to nokia bme seems to have made them the same18:43
Macerbut it was weird when my phone went almost dead alarm and the applet said i had 25%18:44
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Maceri am getting a 2:1 use:âcharge ratio18:47
jonwilok, I cant find any evidence that there is some sort of hongkong or chinese specific keyboard files, if there are they are not in any image I can find18:47
jonwilincluding the so-called "leaked PR1.2"18:47
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Estel_Macer, You were using bme, not bme alternative, cause there is nothing like that18:57
Estel_bme alternative *method* is pulling data from bme18:57
DocScrutinizerindeed, I wondered what that means18:57
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Estel_and using more sane voltage->capacity calculations18:57
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Estel_i.e it is alternative diagram of correlation between voltage and capacity18:57
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Estel_stock bme calculate capacity from average voltage in time, using linear function18:58
DocScrutinizerouch, some of those battery "tools" do their own U->C tables?18:58
Estel_in reality, it's not linear18:58
Estel_yes, DocScrutinize18:58
SpeedEvilEstel_: Are you sure it's linear?18:59
DocScrutinizerpretty insane18:59
SpeedEvilCapacity is _not_ real capacity.18:59
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SpeedEvilThe 'right' measure of capacity is something like 'reserve capacity under which under no circumstances will the cellmo reset due to undervoltage'18:59
DocScrutinizerand - honestly - I dare to say *nobody* knows what bme does to guestimate battery remaining capacity18:59
Estel_dr_frost_dk created own U->C tables, based on discharge tests, but it got one flaw19:00
Estel_dr_frosts's tables dont use average voltage19:00
SpeedEvilYou absolutely have to take ESR and temperature into account.19:00
Estel_only momentary one19:00
DocScrutinizerbasically the aproach is kinda flawed19:00
Estel_afaik fuel gauge takes temperature into account19:01
Estel_creating compensated SoC19:01
DocScrutinizeryou can't get better that 25/50/75% values from cell voltage19:01
Estel_still, I've yet to see situation, when CSOC is different from RSOC19:01
SpeedEvilFuel gauge cannot take temperature into account.19:02
DocScrutinizerEstel_: bq27200 takes temp into account, but doesn't calculate C from U at all19:02
SpeedEvilIt's only used - from memory - to disqualify charge and discharge cycles on the basis of over or undertemp19:02
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  I kinda agree with that. also, using momentary voltage, You can get ~30% different reading, based on load19:02
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  yea.19:02
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SpeedEvilThis is several batteries ohms vs voltage curves19:03
SpeedEvilIt clearly shows that you absolutely need to learn the battery.19:03
Estel_100% true.19:03
SpeedEvilOr at least measure impedence - in order to answer the question 'what's the charge left before the modem may reset'19:03
Estel_that's wy ideal battery applet would use i2c and read from fuel gauge19:04
SpeedEvilErr - no.19:04
SpeedEvilFuel guage is about half of it.19:04
SpeedEvilMaybe less.19:04
Estel_method is freely available in, but for unknow reason every dev use bme, .ko or whatsnot19:04
SpeedEvilThe fuel guage cannot know what the answer to the above is.19:04
DocScrutinizerthe N9(50) fuel gauge is using cell Z and adaptive tables to estimate a individual charge from cell voltage19:05
SpeedEvilBecause it changes under temperature, load, and battery.19:05
DocScrutinizernot so the bq27200 nor the bme in N90019:05
Estel_hey, so how calculates capacity so precisely?19:05
SpeedEvilIt doesn't.19:05
SpeedEvilIt simply measures current in and out of the battery and adds it up.19:05
SpeedEvilThis is somewhat accurate if you're discharging the battery very slowly.19:06
SpeedEvilOr in normal use, for a very new battery.19:06
SpeedEvilLooking at the above graph, for example, the worst battery in that group is 700mR or so.19:06
Estel_yes, but for everyday, even quite demanding use, it's ok. I used redings from it with bme disabled many times - on dual-scud 3000 mah battery - and it never "failed"19:07
SpeedEvilA load of 1A from the cellmo will cause the modem to drop out at an initial battery voltage of around 3.7V19:07
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SpeedEvilAt which point it will still have maybe 40% of its charge left, at low currents.19:07
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Estel_totally agree19:07
Estel_but I think we may ommit it in battery applets? ;)19:08
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SpeedEvilIf you're reimplementing BME, it's largely irrelevant.19:08
* DocScrutinizer yawns19:08
SpeedEvilThe 'bars' is mostly accurate, as BME turns off in many cases 'too early'.19:08
SpeedEvilUnless you're reimplimenting BME.19:08
SpeedEvilIt's inaccurate for those with big batteries - but there are probably a few dozen of them.19:09
Estel_SpeedEvil,  to be understand correctly, I totally agree with Your rationale, and ideal measurement should take care of it19:09
Estel_i mean that, when someone write battery applet, she/he may use i2cget method, without problem19:09
SpeedEvilIn general, it's flawed.19:10
Estel_as for reimplementing bme, I believe You, cause its out of scope of my knowledge19:10
DocScrutinizerNAC Nominal Available Capacity || CACD Discharge Compensated NAC || CACT Temperature Compensated CACD19:10
Estel_also, no one can predict how load will look in future, from measuring moment19:11
Estel_one can use 1A and then, rest in 6mAh, or other way19:11
DocScrutinizerjust *always* check CI=019:11
Estel_so capacity is quite relative term, to simplify things19:11
SpeedEvilNo, however you can predict to some accuracy when a pulse load of 1A will cause the voltage to drop to a level below at which the modem will reset.19:12
* Estel_ agree19:12
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DocScrutinizerSTTE Standby Time-to-Empty || MLTTE Max Load Time-to-Empty || TTE Time-to-Empty19:13
SpeedEvilMLTTE on the bq27200 is going to be quite inaccurate for many cells - due to internal R19:13
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SpeedEvilWhat you really want - if you're not reimplementing BME - is to work out the algorithms BME uses. (and ideally to stop it going beep) And report charge before it turns off. This is not always trivial.19:15
DocScrutinizerin the end it doesn't matter in RL19:17
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DocScrutinizerold beagles had no fuel gauge at all, just a lamp that lit when lesst than ~x L gasoline left over19:18
DocScrutinizererr, s/beagle/Volkswagen/19:20
Macerok so i am confused. you mean that it is simply relying on a history of thebattery?19:20
Estel_quite different topic - what the hell this error means?:19:20
Estel_ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory19:20
Macerand doing math to calculate the percentage?19:21
DocScrutinizerplus they had a valve you could operate with your foot, to enable a few L reserve19:21
Estel_Macer, no. alternate bme alghoritm in apm uses voltage reported by bme and calculate it own capacity from it19:21
Macerbut alternate bme was off19:21
Estel_it may be different from bme capacity, and may be more or less acdcurate ;)19:21
Macerreal bme was about to shut my n900 down19:21
DocScrutinizerEstel_: that error means there's no alsa device seq available, probably seq-uencer19:22
Macerwhile the alternate method was reporting 25%19:22
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: Estel_: that error means there's no alsa audiocard seq available, probably seq-uencer19:22
DocScrutinizerEstel_: I think it has to be related to MIDI stuff19:22
Macermeaning. the advanced power battery applet was reporting 25 while my bme widget was reporting 0.419:23
DocScrutinizerEstel_: pretty obsolete19:23
Macerwhile running in alternate19:23
Macerwith a red flashing light19:23
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: some really old card definitions in alsa config may still look for pcm:seq19:24
DocScrutinizeror ctl:seq19:24
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  the strangest thing is that19:25
DocScrutinizersth like that19:25
Estel_it show in dosbox, causing segfault19:25
Macerand if it does rely on battery history.. what happens if you swap batteries?19:25
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Estel_i also thought its sound related19:25
DocScrutinizerdosbox probably uses a SB emu19:25
Estel_sb emu eorks fine19:25
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Estel_this error dissapear when i change graphic output19:25
Estel_from overlay to surface19:26
Estel_and sb16 emulation works ok, even disabling sound emulation doesnt fix it19:26
Estel_still, output surface is unusable, cause result is big screen and very small dos program on it (running in native application resolution)19:26
Estel_overlay support scaling, and it worked, with exact same settings, month ago or so19:27
DocScrutinizerMacer: swapping bat always invalidates battery gauge values19:27
MacerDocScrutinizer: nice!19:27
Estel_I've tried it again few days ago, and since that I'm trying to make it work19:27
Macerfor how long?19:27
Estel_is it possible, that kp update messed something up?19:27
Macerhow long does it take for bme to learn a battery?19:28
DocScrutinizerfor at very least until one 100% full charge19:28
DocScrutinizerpossibly for longer19:28
Estel_and how come, that switching display output from overlay to surface, makes dosbox stop complaining about non-existent device?19:28
MacerEstel_: trying to play kyrandia on your phone?19:28
DocScrutinizerEstel_: NFC19:28
Estel_ATM darklands, but now, dosbox is in unusable state for me19:28
Estel_and it worked before19:29
Estel_nfc =?19:29
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infoboti guess nfc is No Fucking Clue19:29
Estel_same here19:29
Estel_I would say dosbox porting bug, but it was not updated in ages19:30
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Estel_and worked19:30
MacerEstel_: it is todbox tho. you can just wipe everything and start over :)19:30
Estel_I only updated kp to 48 and CSSU in meantime19:30
Macerim surprised there isnt lemmings for maemo19:30
Estel_wiping everything doesnt help19:30
Maceri loved lemmings19:30
Estel_there is tux lemmings19:30
Estel_is linux lemmings clone for maemo also19:31
Estel_apt-get pingus19:31
Estel_CSSU can be filtered out as ALSA fault, yep?19:31
Estel_so its probably KP?19:31
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Estel_I still can't find anyone with kp48/49 to check that19:32
Estel_if dosbox works with output=overlay19:32
Estel_for other people19:32
Estel_it seem that kp48 broke reboot19:33
Estel_rebooting now causes device to shut down on Nokia logo19:33
Estel_at least for few users, including me19:33
Estel_this bug was present in ancient kp releases, and returned now19:33
Estel_present in kp49 also19:34
Estel_I thought it's just me - even given fact, that I'm very carefull about what I install or tweak (no speedpatches or other shit), but other people started to report it19:34
Estel_not breaking bug, but quite irritating19:35
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DocScrutinizererr console, err?19:39
Estel_havent tried yet (too lazy, probably), will do...19:40
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cityLights~seen DocScrutinizer19:52
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jonwilso, question, is there actually a demand from the community for being able to have a portrait virtual keyboard? i.e. should I go ahead and clone the libhildon-im-vkbrenderer module that draws the virtual keyboard?20:29
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javispedrothere are already several portrait keyboards20:31
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nealjonwil: Have you considered integrating maliit?20:33
jonwilno idea20:34
jonwilI just know someone said they wanted portrait keyboards for CSSU20:34
merlin1991it was brought up in last fridays meeting20:34
merlin1991javispedro: system wide ones?20:34
javispedroeven nokia provided one..20:35
mr_jrtFor the sake of completeness, I'd say go for it if you have a body of work to draw from.20:35
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jonwilok, so is it worth cloning the virtual keyboard renderer code or not? I can do it but it will be a pain in the ass to do so20:35
nealjonwil: You should work on what is fun for you and not worry about what other people want you to work on.20:36
jonwilI dont want to work on things if no-one else will appreciate/use my work20:36
nealjonwil: The N900 now has a small audience.20:36
nealjonwil: Then you should work on the iPhone or Android20:36
SpeedEvilCloning it - why?20:36
nealjonwil: I'd appreciate a review of my package :-)20:36
jonwilwell the original idea was to clone it so CSSU could use the clone20:37
mr_jrtI appreciate any way anyone helps my beloved little superphone better. ;)20:37
jonwiland get portrait keyboard support20:37
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merlin1991jonwil: tbh vkbd is not a high pritority, we've got a hw keyboard after all20:37
mr_jrtYup. If it's an evening's work, go for it and it's an item off the list.20:37
jonwilIts not that simple, I still dont know what half the code in the widget is doing20:38
mr_jrt...if it's more than that, only do it if you will get soemthign from it (i.e. enjoyment, donations, etc)20:38
jonwilAlthough the more I look into it, the more I am convinced it would be better to just ignore the closed-source bits of hildon-input-method and write a totally new hildon-input-method plugin20:38
SpeedEvilI will donate one frozen petit-pain to the effort.20:38
SpeedEvil(may not be frozen after posting)20:38
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jonwiland use libimlayout (which I have just finished creating a header file for) to read the layout files20:38
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nealmy n900 does charge anymore.  A couple of days ago, I had to wiggle the usb to convince it to charge.  Now, it doesn't charge at all.  The usb adapter is still connected to the board.  Any suggestions on how to fix it?20:40
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jonwilSounds like your USB is on the way out20:40
jonwiland you should find a way for it to be fixed BEFORE it breaks any further20:41
jonwilmy N900 had exactly the same symptoms before its USB gave out20:41
jonwilbefore Nokia Care gave me a replacement N90020:41
SpeedEvilYou will not get a new n900.20:41
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* SpeedEvil has a e7 in its DHL baggie.20:41
SpeedEvilGotta write up the auction listing.20:42
jonwilSince I bought my N900 in about january of this year, its been replaced not once but twice by Nokia Care20:42
nealjonwil: I called nokia care, they want something like 40 Euros to fix it.20:42
jonwilboth times it was replaced with a new N90020:42
SpeedEviljonwil: I bet it was early in teh year though.20:43
jonwilyes it was earlier in the year20:43
nealjonwil: It's no longer under warrenty.20:43
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SpeedEvilAugust? they stopped doing n900 replacements20:43
Macerthere has to be a problem with 2G to 3G swapping with tmobile20:43
jonwilThe first replacement was becasuse the flexboard (front camera/LED) broke20:43
jonwilThe second replacement was for the busted USB20:44
Macerseems to stutter when swapping20:44
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jonwilneal: maybe you can find a phone repair shop somewhere that doesn't charge as much as Nokia20:44
jonwilif its no longer under warranty, it doesn't need to go back to Nokia20:44
nealthey want 40 Euros as well20:44
Macerpay the €4020:45
SpeedEvilI note that tehy did not fix my n900 with a fallen-off USB connector20:45
nealplus, I'd need to send it to them and pay the return, so another 10 euros20:45
SpeedEvilThough there was no other board damage.20:45
MohammadAGanyone good at physics?20:45
Macerpay the €5020:45
jonwilIs there nowhere locally that can do repairs?20:45
SpeedEvilJust replaced with another phone.20:45
* SpeedEvil accellerates MohammadAG at 9.8m/s.20:45
MohammadAGA person flying a plane at a speed of 40km/h towards the west felt a wind blowing towards him from the north west, when he changes the direction of flight to 60 degrees north west, he feels the wind blowing north.20:46
MohammadAGCalculate the wind speed and direction relative to the ground.20:46
nealbochum is local relative to dusseldorf, but it's far enough away that the 10 Euros is less than the time.20:46
jonwilAround here there are lots of small places popping up in shopping centers that both sell phone accessories (cases and other doodads) and do repairs20:46
MohammadAGI got lost20:46
javispedroThe answer is Dusseldorf.20:46
MohammadAGMainly cause I had to translate it from hebrew20:46
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: you know the plane speed and vector. You know that the wind speed is constant.20:46
Macerneal.. pay for it20:46
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Macerpay whatever nokia wants.. 50 is not bad20:47
MacerN900s are scarce20:47
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Given that the wind speed and direction is constant, what constant vector do you have to add to the planes direction so that in both cases the resultant wind ends up in the stated direction.20:47
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: also ##physics.20:47
Macerwhat broke?20:47
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Macerpay nokia if they will accept it and repair it. it is worth the €5020:48
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jonwildefinatly, yeah, pay the 50e20:50
merlin1991why oh why do you have to crash all the time o mighty plasma desktop20:50
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, did you already paste the question?20:50
Macermerlin1991: i thought plasma was pretty stable in kubuntu20:51
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: no20:51
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: you can answer it with trig though20:51
merlin1991Macer: I thought so too20:51
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: draw it out on graph paper, and the trig makes more sense.20:51
merlin1991untill I started using it20:51
merlin1991I simply can't poweroff without 2 crash notices from plasma20:51
Maceri nevr bumped into too many problems20:51
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, I know, that's how I'm supposed to do it, but I got lost graphing it up20:52
Maceri think plasma is great tbh20:52
Macerbig kde fanboy20:52
merlin1991and running rekonq is the best way to make an instant live plasma crash20:52
Macerrekonq sucks20:52
Macerit is very unstable :)20:52
merlin1991I stil l haven't figured out what activities are and how you're supposed to use them :P20:52
merlin1991why is it default ffs?20:53
merlin1991it suxx ass20:53
Macerbecause konq is the old one20:53
Macerand it would be like running netscape20:53
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Macereverybody just removes it and installs chromium20:53
Macerthats what i did20:53
merlin1991it removed and went to firefox20:53
Macerchromium is great :)20:53
merlin1991not going to give google even more data about myself20:54
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: draw a line west 4 units. Draw another line from the origin northwest a lot of units. The resultant wind direction goes from the end of the line you drew going west, to the line northwest. You can see that there are many lines that work. Now, do the same for the other direction. Again, there are many lines (windspeeds) that work.20:54
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Only one of these is common to both though.20:54
Macerwhy? worried about your cylon counterpart?20:55
Maceri dont think google cares that much about individuals.. just massive numbers of the masses20:56
merlin1991makes no sense to live in a country with strict privacy laws when you hand out everything yourself :D20:57
merlin1991one reason why I'd never get bf320:57
merlin1991that eula is an insult to privacy20:57
merlin1991battlefield 3 the game20:57
Maceronly games i play are wii games on my son's softmodded wii20:58
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, but the person changed his direction, so the first line isn't the same anymore20:59
merlin1991I don't like it anyway, but lemme quote: You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage ..."20:59
jonwilok, time to see what I can do regarding the encrypted osso-backup stuff20:59
Macerwow hahahaha21:00
Gh0stymerlin1991: oh do EA games run on maemo?21:00
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Macerso it is basically a trojan with a game attached to it21:00
merlin1991Gh0sty: nope we went a lil ot ;)21:00
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merlin1991jep Macer21:00
Gh0stya lil :P21:00
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MacerGh0sty: it happens21:01
Macerconversations cascade21:01
* Gh0sty wants to write an agreement that I can fuck your gf one night when you use my software :P21:01
Gh0stybut anyway ... who am i kidding ... most dont have any ... :p21:01
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gribouilleI have a N800, and I can't stop it anymore. any idea?21:05
merlin1991damn I just thought compiling qt-x11-maemo finished, but no it's just another term I had open that finished something :/21:05
gribouilleis there a way to force the N800 to halt?21:05
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: the wind is constant though - the underlying wind.21:06
gribouilleplesse, I'm helpless21:08
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SpeedEvilForce it to halt - what do you mean?21:09
gribouilleSpeedEvil: it is completely frozen. it doesn't repond when I press the buttons21:10
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SpeedEvilRemove the battery.21:11
SpeedEvilOr do you mean it won't boot in the first place?21:11
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gribouilleSpeedEvil: no, it doesn't boot21:11
gribouilleSpeedEvil: how do I remove the battery?21:12
SpeedEvilNot owned one.21:13
SpeedEvilIf it's been some time since it's last used, it's probable you need a new battery.21:13
* javispedro is going to buy another n810 battery in a few days..21:14
javispedroany suggestions for where to buy it btw?21:14
gribouilleSpeedEvil: ok, I managed to remove the battery and put it back. now, the N800 boots ok. thanks21:15
jonwilbah, cant be bothered doing the osso-backup stuff21:15
jonwilGoing to load the closed-source browser addons into IDA and see what that turns up21:15
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rlyCan one also "backup" over ssh?22:08
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SpeedEvilYou can copy the backup file.22:08
SpeedEvilI'm unsure if you can actually initiate a backup22:08
rlySpeedEvil: and creating a backup file is a matter of using the default backup application?22:09
rlyWhat exactly does it backup? Only user data?22:10
rlyOr the whole thing?22:10
SpeedEvilUser data, and a list of installed apps.22:10
SpeedEvilRestoring a backup will redownload teh apps22:11
SpeedEvilIf they are still available at their original repositories of course.22:11
rlyCan that data also be used with other phones?22:11
rlyAt least partially.22:11
rlyE.g. contacts.22:11
SpeedEvilOther n900s, yes.22:11
SpeedEvilWell - in principle, but no.22:11
rlyOk, but there are export functions to do that.22:11
rlyAt least, I seem to recall having seen those.22:12
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DocScrutinizerrly: sftp works like a charm for me22:23
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DocScrutinizer(authorized_keys comes in mega-handy here)22:23
DocScrutinizercontacts app has "export to vcards"22:24
rlyDocScrutinizer: yes, I already setup two proxies to my phone ;)22:26
rlyssh is like the best invention ever.22:26
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DocScrutinizer>>A job I start on my PC every day, via cron...<22:27
DocScrutinizerthere's also sshfs/fuse22:27
DocScrutinizerbut it seems cumbersome to me22:27
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rlyDocScrutinizer: you sent that URL before, but I don't see what I would do with it. It has warnings all over the place.22:28
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DocScrutinizerscroll all down to the bottom22:28
rlyDocScrutinizer: the backup script. Ah, ok.22:28
DocScrutinizerrsync -vaRzx --fake-super root@$1:/ ~/Documents/N900/backup/$1;22:29
nealDocScrutinizer: Do you have any experience repair the usb adapter?22:29
DocScrutinizerthe port?22:29
DocScrutinizerwhich adapter?22:30
nealthe port, yes22:30
neala couple of days ago, I had to jiggle it to get it to charge22:30
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DocScrutinizerno RL experience on that paricular case22:30
nealnow it doesn't charge at all22:30
nealok, thanks22:31
DocScrutinizerfix it before it's completely broken!22:31
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)22:31
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nealsomehow I hadn't come across that thread yet22:32
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DocScrutinizerhumm, Ericsson, might actually be an interesting job22:37
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DocScrutinizerthere's been some statistics about what's best day of week and best time of day for a placement meeting - but I can't find it anymore. anybody a clue when to meet you next boss?22:43
SpeedEvil3AM, holding a baseball bat.22:44
SpeedEvilGotta make a memorable first impression.22:44
SpeedEvil'when he finds it most convenient'.22:44
DocScrutinizerI always do, even without bat22:44
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: indeed22:44
* DocScrutinizer gogles about Ericsson at his ~/.location22:46
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SpeedEvilNot affected by the recent de-sonyisation?22:47
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: well, dunno if our local Ericsson is related to Sony in any way23:02
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MohammadAGmy N900's been giving OOM errors (by hildon-desktop) a lot lately23:16
DocScrutinizerfeed it some DDR2-RAM23:17
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merlin1991~seen achipa23:30
infobotachipa <attila@nat/nokia/x-srylilyvevhntzso> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 8h 24m 42s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: got the same (half)mail'.23:30
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Ah - not mobile then23:48
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