IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-03-01

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_0x471DocScrutinizer51: fix https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mono_2.6.7-5maemo1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt00:00
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DocScrutinizer51sorry, I'm really not interested in why mono build fails. Just that it does is fine for me00:02
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steve___So currently Modest does not support IMAP IDLE, correct?  One would have to use Nokia Message or another third party, right?00:10
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pupnikbq27220.sh is the best tool for ensuring your device is idling at low power00:24
* pupnik now has great battery life00:25
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pupnikhere's something that nobody seems to have fixed yet00:39
pupnikhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/locate/00:39
pupnikhere's the package that gets returned by a google search00:39
pupnikbut there is NO LINK TO FILE A BUG REPORT00:40
pupnikNO LINK TO VOTE ON PACKAGE PROMOTION (devel, extras, testing)00:40
pupnik(the vote to file a bug is an email link)00:41
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: thanks00:48
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pupnikseems rather obvious those should be there :)00:49
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Venemothis is ridiculous... the N900's default calendar app is errornous01:14
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VenemoI set up an event at Thursday 3 March 2011 and set it to repeat every month01:15
Venemoand from april onwards, it is repeated on Sundays...01:15
pupnikhm01:16
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VenemoSunday 3 April, etc.01:16
Venemoseems that "every month" means that the same day on every month01:17
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VenemoI also miss an "every two weeks" option from the repeat01:18
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SpeedEvilYeah.01:21
SpeedEvili want a biweekly option too.01:21
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SpeedEvilI want it to ping me when my general rubbish bin needs to be taken out01:21
VenemoI have classes that are there every 2 weeks, but not every week01:22
SpeedEvilThen I want a quadweekly alarm for paper recycle.01:22
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VenemoSpeedEvil: yeah. and monthly != quadweekly01:22
SpeedEvilIndeed.01:23
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SpeedEvilNot to mention 'nth sunday every month'01:24
Venemoyeah01:24
VenemoI recall hearing from somewhere that the underlying engine itself has these options, but the GUI doesn't show them01:24
Venemoso if you edit the calendar in an external software that does support them and then sync with the N900, then the N900 will show them correctly too01:26
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pupnikthat original Smash TV console sold for $324 :/01:26
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: seems my suggestion to RE calendar wasn't that OT, eh?01:42
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DocScrutinizeractually it should become a genuine rewrite, just like for bme01:43
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DocScrutinizerseems backend is OK'ish, but frontend is done in a loveless POC manner like many of the maemo core apps01:44
SpeedEvilOh yeah - the broken date selectror is another candidate.01:44
DocScrutinizerWAAAAAAH that BSULLSHIT01:44
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DocScrutinizerI fsckng need three attempts each time I want to scheule sth for next fryday01:45
DocScrutinizerfriday*01:45
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DocScrutinizerand schedule*01:46
steve___fucking*01:46
steve___;)01:46
DocScrutinizerthat's been intentional01:46
DocScrutinizerbut you got it nevertheless01:46
steve___Either that or Next Generation File System Check01:47
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DocScrutinizerzenity --calendar - WTF, blame on whoever was the gashead to design the maemo date selector widget01:48
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DocScrutinizers/blame/shame and owlshit/01:51
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: zenity --calendar - WTF, shame and owlshit on whoever was the gashead to design the maemo date selector widget01:51
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DocScrutinizernot like zenity --calendar is free of flaws. But anyway it's *usable* and you can get used to it. There's even some secret way to move to month-101:55
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DocScrutinizerthink we discussed the flaws here in this chan, some maybe 6 months ago01:57
DocScrutinizeriirc it can get fixed by selecting another (better?) theme01:57
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javispedroah, good old palmos.01:58
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DocScrutinizerhonestly, maemo isn't bad. But if I ever get a chance to meet the GUI design spec dudes at night in the countryside, then please tell me a week in advance, so I'm prepared to this exciting encounter02:00
javispedrohey, I had such chance.02:01
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javispedroWe all smiled together and played DrNokSnes.02:01
DocScrutinizerand you had no baseball bat with you I bet02:01
javispedro(truth be said I had only had my N900 for hours by then =) )02:01
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javispedroI remember there was a #maemo-ui initiative02:03
javispedroI guess we didn't advertise it enough ... :P02:04
javispedroahh... the good times...02:04
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DocScrutinizerthe good times where M4 allowed to even start apps via d-pad and home-key02:05
* javispedro notes that M4 on the N810 didn't allow you either02:05
javispedroyou had to focus the navigator with finger or stylus02:05
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DocScrutinizeractually a N810 with M4 and a broken touchpanel is perfectly usable. A N900 with M5 is dead when TP is broken02:06
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: duh, what?02:06
DocScrutinizersure02:06
DocScrutinizer-8please copy:02:06
javispedroenlighten me.02:06
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DocScrutinizer-8home dpad select-home02:08
DocScrutinizer-8home dpad-left dpad up dpad-right02:08
javispedrodpad to where? On home all I can focus with the d-pad is the google widget02:09
DocScrutinizer-8javispedro: select desktop to show on top02:10
DocScrutinizer-8press home, press dpad left, press dpad up until you reach applauncher, press dpad right... select your app to launch02:11
javispedrohome (I guess you mean switch? -- the one you tap to get the list of open windows) doesn't do anything when there are no open windows02:12
DocScrutinizer-8dpad-left from app-selector is the secret trick02:12
javispedroyeah, but windows selector doesn't appear if there are no running apps02:13
javispedro*window02:13
DocScrutinizer-8meh, I have to close xchat02:13
javispedro(admittedly something that should be uncommon)02:13
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DocScrutinizerdamn, you're right, you need at least one started app for this to work02:14
javispedroit's evil02:15
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DocScrutinizerit's better than m502:15
DocScrutinizerI still can use a N810 with broken TP. I can bin a N900 when it has same problem02:16
DocScrutinizerI can attach a kbd to N810 USB and never again touch the device. I couldn't attach any kbd at all on stock N900/M502:17
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javispedroduring the first months I had my N900 I tried to run diablo's hildon on it. I think it was easy enough to get it to show something02:17
DocScrutinizerwhatever, just tell me where and when to meet the dude that invented M5 GUI - at night, some lonely area02:18
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* javispedro ponders if handling the list to DocScrutinizer is a good idea =)02:21
javispedroeither way, what I was talking about a few minutes ago was this event: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend/UX_meets_Code02:21
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pupniki miss the 'escape' key on n90002:52
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pupnikui's should have that function... to 'go back' 'go up' 'get out'02:52
pupnikin addition i think gui's should have a hardware key (combo) to 'kill this broken thing' :)02:53
pupniksomething besides the power button02:53
javispedrodo not worry, windows phone 7 mandates a escape button.02:54
pupnikit does?02:54
pupnikgood for them02:54
javispedroalong with a home/win key02:54
pupniki think that's sensible02:54
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pupnik"Simplify as much as possible, but no further." Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)02:55
pupnikthat's one reason i picked up an e71 and e72 to test/play with for a while02:56
pupnikyou can click through stuff pretty fast02:57
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pigeonis there actually a way to reset/recover the device lock code on the n900 without reflashing?03:52
pupnikrunning battery eye increases idle current draw from 2mA to 13mA :(03:52
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aktuviensHow do you get this: (*@unaffiliated/pupnik)?03:54
gavinaktuviens: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks03:55
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zanberdoI have an N900 and I've just received a 16GB microSD. Is there anything I should do to my system after I install the microSD?03:59
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aktuviens_You can backup in any case.04:01
SpeedEvilzanberdo: Nope - nothing really needed.04:03
SpeedEvilBut backup is a good idea at any time.04:03
zanberdook, thanks!04:03
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cehtehnote that the back-cover toogles a switch for usb mode vs mounted04:04
zanberdohow does the new storage show up on the device? does it automatically adjust the available space for /home or does it create a new mount point?04:04
SpeedEvilIt's mounted as a seperate disk04:04
jonwilbah, I cant find out how an incoming call is routed into the dialer04:05
cehtehjust inserting the card but not putting the back cover back leaves it unmounted04:05
* jonwil still hasn't been able to find anyone who knows anything about telepathy :(04:07
cehtehdocs on maemo.org :P04:08
jonwildocs dont help :P04:08
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zanberdook, so it appears to have been added as /media/mmc1 and there is a DCIM directory already created04:08
cehtehlooks just right04:09
aktuviens_The Corps is mother, the Corps is father.04:12
* jonwil suspect no-one knows anything much about how telepathy works04:12
jonwilwell no-one who is likely to be interested in helping me that is :P04:12
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javispedrojonwil: telepathy is a _STANDARD_ part of the gnome stack, I think you're on the wrong channel.04:17
jonwilok, so where is the right place?04:17
javispedro#telepathy ? =)04:18
javispedronote that obviously applies to open parts only.04:19
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cehtehhow is a free mce coming along?04:21
jonwilIts not going anywhere04:22
jonwilsee https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1179404:22
povbotBug 11794: Open Fremantle's MCE04:22
javispedrono answer... /me sighs04:22
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jonwilaparently jaffa is going to talk to some people at Nokia about that bug and the others here http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages#List_of_outstanding_requests_that_are_still_relevant04:23
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javispedro"are still relevant"? is there any non-relevant request maybe? ;)04:24
cehtehyes ... "port WP7 to the n900" would be highly unrelevant :o)04:25
jonwilwell some of the requests were things that were already satisfied somehow or otherwise no longer valid04:25
jonwilSome of them were for things that its clear wont be opened up (like BME)04:25
cehtehisnt BME almost completely reverse engineered already?04:26
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jonwildont know04:26
javispedrowell, I am in a pessimist mood today... (having been battling stupid libtool which I will never never never use again)04:26
cehtehDocScrutinizer put some efforts into figuring stuff out04:26
cehtehwell bme just works .. could do better and be more flexible/configureable but ok04:27
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cehtehwhile mce could really need some enhancements04:27
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Macerhm. fmms seems to have stopped working04:36
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javispedroSince today I hate libtool with a passion.04:46
javispedroWhat has happened: half of my /usr/bin/* now links with QtGui for no reason.04:46
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SpacedOutKernel question.  is there any reason that `flasher-3.5 -l -b -k zImage` would fail to boot a Maemo kernel?  And is there any way to get the kernel boot log when it fails to boot (config or source code wise)?04:48
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RobbieThe1stSpacedOut: if the kernel wasn't installed right in the first place, all the modules might not be there and as such it wouldn't be happy at least05:02
* jonwil wishes he could find some example code for a Telepathy Approver thats specific to the maemo version of telepathy (which is about a dozen versions behind mainline)05:04
SpacedOutAgree, but I installed the power kernel, and neither that or the pr1.3 kernel will -l load and -b boot with the flasher.05:04
SpacedOutIf that's expected and flashing to the device to boot should work, I might try that, but I would really prefer to not flash a testing kernel and risk having to flash everything.05:05
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* jonwil doesn't think he will ever find the point at which Telepathy tells rtcom-call-ui that there is an incoming call05:23
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SpacedOutTalking about calls, why is it that the call duration isn't recorded?  I would like to make use of that information.05:28
Sc0rpiusI'm not sure if they aren't recorded, but maybe there's no GUI/app to show you that info05:29
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SpacedOutWell the /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db sqlite file has fields for it, but all the voice calls have the end time set to 0.05:30
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Sc0rpiusjonwil, and why do you want to know that?05:32
jonwilfor my dialer reverse engineering work05:32
Sc0rpiusdo you want to know what calls rtcom-call-ui? I think it's telepathy-ring05:33
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jonwilaha, I think its not rtcom-call-ui OR librtcom-call-ui thats registering with telepathy as the telepathy Approver05:37
jonwilI think its rtcom-notification-ui05:38
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jonwilthats actually saying "yes I want the call" or "no I dont"05:38
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* pupnik hopes jonwil has good success05:51
pupnikSpacedOut: call duration and summaries would be nice05:52
* jonwil thinks making a feature-complete dialer or notification replacement is never going to happen05:52
jonwilboth apps are doing far too much funky stuff05:54
jonwilThere is bug 1178105:56
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11781 consider opening rtcom-notification-ui05:56
jonwilbut I cant see that going forward05:56
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* jonwil wonders if adding bug 11781, bug 11780 and a matching one for rtcom-call-ui to http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages#List_of_outstanding_requests_that_are_still_relevant would be worth doing... :P06:01
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11780 consider opening rtcom-messaging-ui06:01
jonwilin any case its clear that I am never going to be able to reverse engineer enough of the dialer, notification etc for a feature-complete replacement to be able to be written06:04
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Sc0rpiuswhat are you doing to reverse engineering?06:05
Sc0rpiusI assume you're using IDA and disassembling the ARM binaries06:05
jonwilyes06:05
jonwilI am06:05
jonwilwhy?06:05
Sc0rpiusjust wondering06:05
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* jonwil wishes he could afford the newest version of IDA with that sweet sweet ARM decompiler06:06
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javispedroit will suck =)06:06
jonwilwhat will suck?06:07
javispedrothe arm decompiler, I remember promises of it since palmos days (but back then ida wasn't even able to properly detect a palmos5 syscall...)06:08
Sc0rpiusyeah but we had a .txt file to know what call was which one06:08
javispedroeven guessing the number of parameters is hard...06:09
javispedroSc0rpius: I didn't mean palmos4 traps, though.06:10
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luke-jrjonwil: erm, you realize telepathy is documented openly, right?06:11
jonwilyes I realize that06:11
jonwilbut the doucmentation is a nightmare06:11
jonwilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Dialer is as far as I am likely to get with my dialer work06:12
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jonwilplus in any case the telepathy stuff is only part of a much larger jigsaw puzzle06:16
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jonwilbasically unless hell freezes over and Nokia decides to open source rtcom-notification-ui, rtcom-call-ui and rtcom-messaging-ui, all the features people want like call filtering are not going to happen06:19
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luke-jrjonwil: why?06:20
luke-jrofono can't do it?06:20
jonwilofono-on-maemo is not an option06:20
* Sc0rpius reads again the channel's name.. #maemo or #meego ?06:21
jonwilbecause too many bits of maemo are tied to the current stack06:21
jonwilplus any dialer that people would actually USE needs to be feature complete vis a vis the nokia dialer06:21
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luke-jrjonwil: Maemo is dead.06:22
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Sc0rpiusI think I've read a python script around to block calls on  Maemo06:22
Sc0rpiusMaemo is dead = fact06:22
Sc0rpiusbut Meego is also dead06:22
Sc0rpiusand Maemo works, Meego doesn't06:22
luke-jrGentoo is alive. :D06:22
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javispedroargh, Gentoo.06:23
luke-jr/etc/init.d/net.gprs0 start06:23
luke-jr:D06:23
javispedrowhy, oh why they don't get rid of the .la files already?06:23
Sc0rpiusok why if there is a blocking calls application people can't have call filtering?06:24
Sc0rpiusI saw a python scripts that registers to /com/nokia/csd/call/Coming signal06:24
Sc0rpiusand it block calls from numbers from a .txt file06:24
javispedroSc0rpius: so if you decide to block, what do you next. Start killing random PIDs?06:24
Sc0rpiusyou don't need to hack half Maemo for that06:24
javispedroand see if it prevents ringing, ui showing, etc.06:25
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Sc0rpiusI never tried the script06:25
Sc0rpiushttp://myportableworld.com/posts/block-unwanted-calls-on-your-n90006:25
javispedroseemingly, they just drop the call =)06:26
javispedromore complicated would be implementing selective muting/ignore call list06:26
Sc0rpiusanother one: http://maemo.org/packages/view/catblock/06:27
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jonwilI do know of one feature request someone had that is only possible by changing the dialer, someone wanted the ability to e.g. switch the call to a VoIP number based on certain criteria06:32
jonwilI think it was MohammadAG or DocScrutinizer who wanted that06:33
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Sc0rpiusMohammadAG wants to change the UI so it includes a scroll bar to "swipe to answer"06:34
jonwilIn any case there ARE use cases out there for features that can only be implemented by changing the dialer, messaging and notification UI. But its unlikely that anyone will ever be able to come up with a feature-complete replacement for any of those 306:36
jonwilOr that Nokia will release their source code06:36
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Sc0rpiusyup06:36
Sc0rpiuswill never happen06:37
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jonwilthe requests on http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages#List_of_outstanding_requests_that_are_still_relevant are more likely to happen though IMO06:37
jonwilAnyone know what part of the world Jaffa is in or what time he is usually around?06:38
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javispedrohe's around in european central time mornings, usually.06:39
jonwilis that GMT+2?>06:41
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javispedroyep06:48
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jonwilhmmm, I have a quote from Quim Gill "This week I plan to discuss with Mika Leppinen what to do with the Maemo 5 licensing change requests. I will update here as soon as I know something." on bug 1112806:56
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11128 Opening the source for Sharing services framework06:56
jonwilDont know who Mika Leppinen is though06:57
jonwilbut it sounds something vaguely resembling promising :P06:57
Sc0rpiusand who's QUim Gill06:57
jonwil"open source advocate @ Maemo Devices"06:58
jonwil"Hi! I work in the Maemo SW team advocating for open source. In practice this means I'm responsible of promoting peace, love and intelligence at maemo.org + all our relationships with free software projects and the community in general."06:58
jonwilthats from his maemo.org profile06:58
Sc0rpiusoh06:58
Sc0rpiuspoor guy, then he will be fired in any moment now06:59
javispedroSc0rpius: qgil06:59
Sc0rpiusyeah I got it06:59
Sc0rpiusI wonder if all those Maemo/Meego guys working @ Nokia are scared06:59
Sc0rpius'cos I would definitely be06:59
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javispedrowell, some of them are here ... search logs ...07:00
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Sc0rpiusI should hit the bed07:02
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internetishardcan anyone get soundcloud.com to work on their n900?08:02
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slonopotamusso. why autobuilder segfaults? :)08:15
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internetishardhow do you guys take less blurry photos with the n900?08:52
* dm8tbr waits for autofocus to kick in and makes sure the glass in front ot the lense is clean08:55
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mecegood morning09:42
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* jonwil wishes there was a way to obtain .debs/changelogs of packages only found in SSU and not in SDK09:58
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MohammadAGtechnically you can09:59
jonwilhow?10:00
MohammadAGunpack the deb10:00
jonwilbut how do I get the .deb for such a package10:00
jonwile.g. how would I get rtcom-call-ui deb10:00
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jonwilits only in the SSU repos10:00
MohammadAGapt-get -d --reinstall install rtcom-call-ui10:00
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MohammadAGscp it from /var/cache/apt/archives10:01
jonwilgreat10:01
jonwilthanks10:01
jonwiljust what I needed10:01
MohammadAGyw :)10:02
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KevinBmorning guys10:17
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KevinBsomeone confident with painting custom QWidget on maemo?10:17
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khertan_KevinB, depends ... what are you trying to achieve ?10:28
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KevinBI just tried to paint dots inside the Widget Rectangle10:29
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KevinBand use a setMask(triangle) not to see the dots outside the triangle10:29
KevinBon Desktop no problem but on maemo -> painted stuff outside triaangle is still visible10:30
KevinBactually I dont need that widget for now so it is ok, just I'd like to understand10:32
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KevinBMay b a bug right10:32
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khertan_KevinB, probably a stylesheet for Maemo5 style10:37
KevinByou de mean there' s some default stylesheet on maemo? gross10:37
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MohammadAGMaemo uses a theme engine10:38
MohammadAGQMaemo5Style, it's more than a stylesheet10:39
KevinBhoo I see it is a QStyle10:40
KevinBthen I know where to look at now :) thanks10:40
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jonwilhmmm, interesting, Nokia documented the HAL interface to hald-addon-bme in the readme file of the hald-addon-bme package11:04
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jonwilnice, Nokia documented the DBUS interface for GPRS in csd-gprs package11:07
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]quick question if anyone knows the answer. Is there a maximize/fullscreen toggle that will force a java application fullscreen? The normal maximise keystroke used by easydebian has no effect.11:09
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, HildonPannableArea is based on "MokoFingerScroll from libmokoui OpenMoko Application Framework UI library"11:11
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cos^any ideas how to run oss (as in sound) applications on maemo, such as flite?11:19
ShadowJKi guess you'd need padsp11:20
cos^it's available but doesn't work11:20
ruskieshouldn't alsa take care of that?11:21
ruskiesetting alsa to redirect to pa11:21
ruskieand having alsa oss modules loaded to provide /dev/dsp11:21
cos^i can't find anything relevant on google11:24
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jonwilJaffa: ping11:43
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KevinBAre the qt4.7.1 libraries out for maemo ?11:45
MohammadAGthere are Qt 4.8 libs afaik11:47
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MohammadAGso you might find 4.7.1, or just go with 811:47
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JaffaMorning, all11:50
Jaffajonwil: pong11:50
[DrkGUNMAN-N900]mornin'11:50
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jonwilJaffa: Quim Gil posted on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11128 with an interesting statement "This week I plan to discuss with Mika Leppinen what to do with the Maemo 5 licensing change requests. I will update here as soon as I know something."11:52
povbotBug 11128: Opening the source for Sharing services framework11:52
Jaffajonwil: Yes, that's cos of the poke :-)11:52
jonwilNo idea who mika leppinen is11:53
JaffaMe neither.11:53
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JaffaProbably not http://www.linkedin.com/pub/mika-leppinen/4/912/104: "chief executive at Finnish Veterinary Association"11:53
SpeedEviljonwil: Interesting!11:53
jonwilOr which requests are going to be invesitgated11:53
SpeedEvilJaffa: I'm guessing he is.11:54
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SpeedEvilJaffa: He's responsible for releasing the hounds.11:54
MohammadAGJaffa, Sc0rpius's modest has an option to use the default UI or tree view ;)11:54
Jaffajonwil: qgil got the link and I explained the content. He's going to discuss all of those in light of stuff11:54
JaffaMohammadAG: Cool; and where does that option go? Have we solved the translations problem?11:54
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jonwilwell he posted on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11128 even though that issue wasnt covered on the wiki link11:55
povbotBug 11128: Opening the source for Sharing services framework11:55
MohammadAGJaffa, Settings, he has that in mind it seems, since it's a translation string, not an english one11:55
JaffaMohammadAG: Cos a missing translation could be all that's preventing https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 being made11:55
povbotBug 11832: Offline IMAP support11:55
MohammadAG"mcenfioptionstreeview" is not english :p11:55
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Jaffajonwil: True. Well, a complete review in light of the work you & DocScrutinizer51 did isn't a bad thing11:55
MohammadAGthough that should be mcen_fi_options_treeview11:55
JaffaMohammadAG: :-)11:55
MohammadAGJaffa, he's reversing the translations and making them into packages I think11:56
SpeedEvilhttp://research.nokia.com/biblio?search=Mika+Leppinen11:56
MohammadAGJaffa, http://gitorious.org/modest-l10n11:57
JaffaMohammadAG: Cool11:57
SpeedEvilhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/bertogg/2870834134/11:57
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: neat! Now if I only used email on n900.11:58
SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Does modest do nntp?11:58
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, Sc0rpius is making it an enjoyable experience tbh11:58
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, what's nntp? :)11:58
jonwilIn addition to the 8 or so items on the wiki page, I did some further bugzilla spelunking and found another 11 or so that are unresolved (either positive or negative)11:58
SpeedEvilNetwork News Transfer Protocol.11:58
SpeedEvilAKA usenet.11:58
JaffaMohammadAG: Network News Transfer Protocol11:58
jonwilThe only one I found that isnt under "license change requests" is bug 383611:59
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/3836 Move MicroB to an open development process11:59
MohammadAGoh, not sure11:59
SpeedEvilIt's like forums, but better. :(11:59
JaffaMohammadAG: SpeedEvil: It does not.12:00
SpeedEvilk, thanks.12:00
JaffaI'm not sure Modest's UI is suited to Usenet12:00
* jonwil hopes for positive resolution of 11780, 11781 and 1195312:00
SpeedEvil!bug 1178012:00
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/11780 consider opening rtcom-messaging-ui12:00
MohammadAGdidn't qgil said they're looking at requests again?12:01
MohammadAGsay*12:01
JaffaMohammadAG: Yes.12:01
JaffaThis conversation is looping ;-)12:01
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MohammadAG:D12:01
khertan_didn't qgil said they're looking at requests again?12:01
khertan_:)12:02
MohammadAGnow correct the typo khertan_12:02
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khertan_QGil n'a pas parler de regarder encore aux requetes ?12:02
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khertan_MohammadAG, ^ this is one correct syntax12:03
jonwilthe unanswered question is whether the reasons previously used to deny a release are still going to be used as a reason to deny a release12:03
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MohammadAGJaffa, do you have a link handy to Gitorious's ssh keys page?12:05
MohammadAGI can't access my dashboard for some reason12:06
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Conzadchello12:06
Conzadc!list12:06
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jonwilbah, maemo wiki is down12:08
jonwilor not working for me12:08
jonwilnow it works12:08
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JaffaMohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/~jaffa/keys12:15
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MohammadAGJaffa, thanks12:16
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divanNokia Qt SDK is updated today. /me expects trojan horses from Elop.12:23
Muelli:D12:23
alteregoNow including dh-duh-duh, wp7 support and msvs .net express!12:23
* jonwil suspects that the new QT SDK is going to remove those cellmodem headers he found a while back12:24
alteregoWhy?12:25
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alteregoAre they in the beta? :P12:25
jonwilno idea :P12:25
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MohammadAGhmm, 4.7.2 for Symbian12:25
MohammadAGwhen will Maemo's Qt be updated? :P12:25
alteregoSweet12:25
ruskieMohammadAG, when it becomes relevant again?12:26
alteregoMohammadAG: when you put it in the cssu? :P12:26
MohammadAGalterego, what use is that? Apps that require will have to pull in the whole CSSU and be built against it12:26
MohammadAGrequire it*12:26
MohammadAGi.e apps in -devel will still use 4.7.0, and apps in the CSSU have an ABI break with 4.7.012:27
alteregoTalk to x-fade, we should plan a transition.12:28
alteregootoh, ovi poses the largest problem.12:28
MohammadAG4.7.0 is backwards compatible with 4.7.312:28
MohammadAGso ovi can stfu12:29
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MohammadAG4.7.2, whatever12:29
MohammadAGit should be compatible with 4.8 too12:29
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MohammadAGmeh12:31
MohammadAGQt upgrades need a whole PR upgrade12:31
MohammadAGonly Qt Mobility was separated from the PR12:31
MohammadAG(cc Jaffa)12:31
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MohammadAGso the only way this can be done is with the CSSU :/12:31
MohammadAGapt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr | grep libqt4 (returns hits)12:31
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]does anyone know of any java command switches to forcve a java app into fullscreen windowless mode?12:36
trxtalk directly to widget set (Qt, GTK, etc) to set widnow flag12:37
trxwindow*12:37
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[DrkGUNMAN-N900]afraid I'm not versed in any of that. was trying to get microemulator to go fullscreen without a titlebar using the ctrl+space keybind from easy debian with no luck.12:40
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* jonwil is adding more use cases to some of the bugs under "license change requests" to increase the chance that someone at Nokia will decide that its worth putting in the effort12:48
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jonwilNokia have said in the past that uses cases will help12:48
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SpeedEviljonwil: put up a list of ones you would like use-cases for12:49
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jonwilIf I find any that12:50
jonwilthat I need more use cases for, I will let everyone know :)12:50
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jonwilhmmm, does the existence of ringtoned mean the reasons to open source libhildon-plugins-notify-sv go away?12:55
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Corsacimho there's no need for a reason but.. :)12:58
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SpeedEvilnp: Boy Zone - Open Source me for a reason (Let that reason be love)12:59
MohammadAGis it me, or does Firefox 4 look like Chrome12:59
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RST38hMohammad: It does13:04
RST38hMohammad: And once Chrome removes the address bar, Firefox will do so too13:04
MohammadAGwhat does Chrome plan to use instead?13:05
RST38hkittens13:05
robbiethe1stMohammadAG, yea, it's sad isn't it - FF losing it's individuality. Fortunately, it can -stop- looking like chrome easily - Just right-click, uncheck "tabs on top"13:06
SpeedEvilYou can put back the status bar - status bar 4 ever13:08
SpeedEviladd-on.13:08
SpeedEvilAlso - ass-hatted.13:08
robbiethe1stTo be fair, I've actually gotten to like the -new- replacement statusbar thingie they've added in the last beta13:09
robbiethe1stWhere it's still in the same spot, but in it's own bar13:09
robbiethe1stIt allows for longer URLs than the statusbar, especially when half-full of add-ons13:10
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jonwilhttp://pastebin.com/apRrgbY113:25
jonwilThose are the bugs where it is worth trying to put more use cases into13:25
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SpeedEviljonwil: Added a couple13:38
jonwilok, great13:40
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runejuhlI've had a collision in the Conversations program with two different contacts appearing in the same conversation. I just noticed that the sqlite db containing "Events", el-v1.db, has a column "group_uid" which is the 7 last digits of the "remote_uid". I vaguely remember reading about a collision, but can't recall if it was about Maemo or some other OS -- could it be (or is it) connected to the group_uid column?13:46
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jonwilbtw, if you want to see more openness on Maemo, go vote for the bugs in the pastebin I linked13:49
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jonwilvoting for them would show Nokia that there is community interface13:49
jonwilCommunity intreest13:49
jonwilinterest13:49
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jonwilI am really hoping we can get more middleware code out of this (like the SMS code and the ICD stuff)13:54
alteregoWhich the powers that be don't really care about :P13:54
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chem|stjonwil: some of the code is not nokia's power to publish14:05
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timeless_xchatchem|st: that's mostly driver or near driver level stuff14:08
toadpolei'd written a meego image onto a 16 gig sd, i wanna kill it and format the emmc... any easy way to do it through x-term and restore original sizes?14:08
timeless_xchatthe closer you get to the ui layer the more it's just managerial turf wars14:08
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DocScrutinizer51toadpole: 'format' in context menu of card in hildon filemanager?14:12
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jonwilI doubt any of the code we are asking for in these various requests is code Nokia is unable to publish14:17
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timeless_xchatare you asking for sgx drivers?14:18
jonwilnope14:18
jonwilwe know we wont get those14:18
timeless_xchatpragmatic realists... wow14:19
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jonwilthe list of various filed bugs includes the microb UI bits, rtcom-messaging-ui, rtcom-notification-ui, rtcom-call-ui, status-area-applet-battery, libosso-abook, MCE, libhildon-plugins-notifiy-sv, libbmeipc headers, libsms/csd-sms code, some ICD stuff and the various connectivity UI bits (status bar widgets, control panels, configuration dialogs etc)14:21
RST38h<yawn>14:21
RST38hSoo, what is new in the world of suffering today?14:21
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timeless_xchatscrum!14:23
timeless_xchatit makes me suffer14:23
jonwilwe are discussing outstanding license change requests and how likely they are to be fulfilled14:27
RST38hscrum shscrum who cares14:29
RST38hjonwil: My pocket Cpt Obvious says UNLIKELY.14:29
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RST38hjonwil: But, of course, you have to be quick, while there is someone at Nokia who knows what you are talking about14:30
jonwilhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11128#c8 says something might happen14:30
povbotBug 11128: Opening the source for Sharing services framework14:30
RST38hIn 6 months, the response may well be "Huh?"14:30
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jonwilfact is, there is someone at Nokia willing to try and move forward on this. So we should encourage them to do that14:58
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, fixed orientation lock, just had to reroute /system/osso/af/slide-open somewhere else :p15:12
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E0xMohammadAG: is that for the "slide to answer project"15:14
MohammadAGno, microb15:15
E0xoh ok15:15
MohammadAGorientation lock, as on iOS/Android15:15
E0xno clue , but is ok15:15
E0xi prefe use microb in landspace15:15
MohammadAGi wonder where microb settings are15:15
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JaffaMohammadAG: Is that a portrait orientation lock? :-)15:21
jonwilMohammadAG, if you have any further use cases for any of the bugs linked here http://pastebin.com/apRrgbY1 please post them15:21
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MohammadAGJaffa, landscape, but microB listens to KB slides and mce instead of hildon-desktop rotation15:23
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timeless_xchatmohammadag, :)15:25
MohammadAGtimeless_office, does microB use gconf for rotation settings?15:25
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BCMM(shift-space for maemo xchat)15:27
timeless_xchatmicrob=osso-browser (.browser, .browser_typed_urls) + xulrunner (.mozilla/microb/prefs.js)15:27
pupnikmy n900 forgets the date with every battery change... is there a replaceable clock battery on the board?15:27
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MohammadAGyes, needs desoldering and stuff15:28
lolcatpupnik: I have the same issue15:28
timeless_xchatBCMM, :o, thanks15:28
MohammadAGi used to have the issue15:28
MohammadAGdropped the phone and it worked :)15:28
pupnikMohammadAG: any pictures or something?15:28
lolcatCan't the N900 synch itself?15:28
pupnikoh dear, i don't want to solder on that board15:29
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internetishardcan anyone get soundcloud.com to work on their n900?15:29
MohammadAGit's just a small solder afaik15:29
MohammadAGit's the same as the OpenMoki FR battery15:29
timeless_xchatwhat do you mean rotation settings?15:29
MohammadAG"Enable rotation"15:29
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pupnikMohammadAG: do you know any special search terms for it for google?  "FR battery"?15:30
timeless_xchatEnable_Rotation=true in .browser15:30
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MohammadAGFreeRunner, ask DocScrutinizer15:30
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, what's .parentlock?15:31
eichisomeone has _much_ expecience in the application "frontView" ? what are the main things, to get good results? only one paper per image? dark or white background? someone has some tipps?15:31
crashanddieMohammadAG, it's the code so your parents can stop you from watching the satellite porn channels...15:31
timeless_xchatit's gecko's way of saying "this profile is in use by a running process"15:31
timeless_xchatideally when gecko quits, it deletes the file15:32
timeless_xchatnote that the lock file names predate mozilla/515:32
RST38htimeless: Any hidden trick to permanently enable text reflow?15:32
MohammadAGbut browserd never quits :P15:32
timeless_xchatrst38h: afaik there isn't15:32
pupnikit would be fun to solder a tiny battery in parallel with the n900 main battery to allow hotswap15:32
DocScrutinizerhttp://www.mouser.com/catalog/632/2009.pdf15:33
timeless_xchatmohammadag: technically false15:33
timeless_xchatyou can ask browserd instances to stop15:33
timeless_xchatand note that there are a couple15:33
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jonwilanyone know2 what vcard is?15:34
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: for hotswap you should use a USB dongle with some 4 NiMH button cells15:34
pupnikhmm that's clever15:35
DocScrutinizerpupnik: for backup bat for RTC see above link. The capacitor type at bottom recommended (by me :-D)15:35
lolcatSo if you have the charger plugged in you can hot swap sim cards?15:35
DocScrutinizerpupnik: sure it's clever. That's an Idea I came up with :-P15:35
crashanddiejonwil, wasn't vcard supposed to be this technology to exchange identities from phone to phone? Virtual Business Cards?15:36
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pupnikhttp://de.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seiko-Instruments/XH414H-IV01E/?qs=i40xbvP3shnmoWHAOBMGLw%3d%3d  << ?15:36
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: for the battery dongle hotswap, switch on VBUS while battery is good for that. Then when swapping just follow the instructions in my hotswap tmo thread15:37
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pupnikbut it's good for lectures/spoken podcasts17:32
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pupnikwheee17:53
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pupnikcombined with "easyplay" we'll have ultralow cpu mp3 playback :D17:54
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pupnikmaaarghh! fried remaining speaker again stress-testing18:00
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togglesnow you need 0 cpu to play back mp318:06
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pupnik_about 10% at 250mhz18:06
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lcukisn't there some new age mystical mp3s that actually promise to recharge your batteries just by listening to them?18:07
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DocScrutinizerI'd be happy with whatever reasonable CPU usage if only we get decent EQ, and gapless mp3 playback18:11
Macerhm18:11
Macertrying ut mapero18:11
Macer*out18:11
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Macerhow do i get driving directions with it?18:13
Macer:)18:13
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DocScrutinizerpupnik_: I think (still without yet checking the original bat's formfactor) that you should use http://www.mouser.com/access/?pn=628-XH414H-II06E18:18
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DocScrutinizerpupnik_: yes, verified in schematics board photo you need formfactor F which is XH414H-II06E18:20
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Macerhm18:34
Macerwhen i look up businesses i get ... operation not permitted18:34
Macerwtf :)18:34
pupnik_DocScrutinizer: unfortunately the 32 fixed-bands involved in mp3 decoding do not map to useable musical eq bands.18:35
pupnik_at least those exposed by mpg123 do not18:35
pupnik_However now my second speaker has stopped working again, so testing is out for the time-being :D18:36
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trxis it allowed to upload a .deb to repos with a precompiled binary?18:42
pupnik_not that i know, trx18:43
pupnik_possibly in the non-free section18:43
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lcuktrx does your precompiled binary work on both x86 and arm?18:43
lcuk*grin*18:43
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trxonly arm because of eg, libconic18:44
poomalairajHello friends, I am trying to connect my n900 to my pc using usb. I want to ssh from my pc to n900. I followed n900 usb networking wiki. But i am not able to ping my n900 from my pc. My pc's ip is 192.168.1.5. Please guide me with the configuration to be done18:44
andre__well. what went wrong?18:44
trxpupnik its an open source app but i cant get the autobuilder to compile it18:44
lcukpoomalairaj, there may be many many things getting in your way - check your pc firewall/viruschecker/time of day etc18:44
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lcuktrx, which app?  better to fix it18:45
lcukthan to offer bad binary18:45
lcukie, where is the failure log from maemo autobuilder18:45
trxbecause it uses lazarus/free pascal which is really hard to pack as a deb and send it to the repos18:45
lcuk(it sends a mail with link)18:45
trx(for me)18:45
trxthe app is just fine18:45
trxthere is nothing to fix18:45
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trxits the compiler i cant pack18:46
trxand its not in the repos :/18:46
lcuktrx why can't you submit it?18:46
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lcukif you built it by hand yourself, autobuilder should be able to rebuild if setup correctly :)18:47
pupniklcuk: you have some really annoying comments here18:47
poomalairajlcuk, Please clarify me am i using the right ip address and gateway. The guide says the n900's ip should be 192.168.2.15 but my computer's ip is 192.168.1.5 and broadband modem's address is 192.168.1.118:47
trxi didnt build the compiler myself18:47
trxthere is no FPC compiler in the repos, so autobuilder cant use it to compile my app18:47
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lcukpupnik, which comments are annoying?18:49
pupnik /lastlog lcuk18:49
pupniktrx: perhaps you should make a dummy package that downloads the binary from another location18:50
pupnikif there are objects you cannot move, sometimes you need to go around them18:51
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trxi have created a .deb which works properly with the binary in it18:51
trxand installed it on my n900 and it works well18:52
trxits just that i dont know if im allowed to send that to the repos18:52
trxbecause of the whole "never install untested/trusted binaries" thing18:53
trxi would provide the source of course etc..18:55
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pupniktrx: there's no mechanism for it.  you need to get all your dependencies built in autobuilder19:08
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pupnikif you want to upload your package19:08
trxi was affraid of that, thats really lots of work, to install the compiler..19:11
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trxafraid*19:11
lcuktrx, trailblazers always end up doing more work than those that follow.19:12
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trxyeah but i can with one click compile my bin for win/*nix/mac/etc arm/x86/x86-6419:14
trxand with one click change underlying widgetsets (qt/gtk/carbon/win)19:14
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lcuktrx, :) moving from what you can do to what anyone can do is always tricky.19:16
* lcuk speaks from experience19:16
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DocScrutinizertimeless_xchat: to convert from e.g "mcen_ap_name" to sth like "mail" would I use gettext(1)? I.E. are those translations in standard .po or has Nokia invented another proprietary system for that?19:17
trxlcuk this isnt a problem really, its a problem for me as im new to linux and debian packages, thats why its *atm* hard for me to create a package19:18
trxwhile someone who works with linux and fpc could probably do this in matter of hours19:18
trxi dont mind, ill learn from this ;)19:19
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DocScrutinizertrx: to upload something to the repositories, you actually upload a description file and a tarball to buildhost. You need an account to do this19:25
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trxyes, i have an account and can upload to extras19:25
DocScrutinizerthe tarball consists of all the sources, so buildhost will create a package from it (when you're lucky)19:26
trxits just that the autobuilder doesnt have my compiler (FPC)19:26
trxand i dont know how to create a package of my compiler and even if i create one, am i allowed to upload it to the repos..19:27
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trxbut that question is for people at #fpc, not here19:27
DocScrutinizerumm, if your package needs a special compiler, then you need to "upload" that compiler first. Then buildhost will pull in the dependency and use it - afaik. Without that special compiler in repos neither buildhost nor anybody else can build your package19:28
trxso thats why i asked if i'm allowed to send binary and have the autobuilder actually compile nothing, just pack the .deb19:28
DocScrutinizernah, the compiler of course also needs to be FOSS and get built on buildhost from source, with gcc or whatever19:29
trxit is FOSS of course19:30
trxits free pascal19:30
trxthen its confirmed, i will have to create the compiler package first19:31
DocScrutinizer:nod: I guess there's no other way than to create a package for building FPC then. Dunno if there are other sources of executables that buildhost can pull from19:31
DocScrutinizerbut you better ask somebody who got a bit of an idea how buildhost works - I'm an ignorant regarding that19:32
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trxsomeone told me some time ago that it extracts an empty OS image, installs the dependencies and then compiles my app19:33
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DocScrutinizeresp my assumption about buildhost pulling in buildtime dependencies for tools from the own repos is mere hearsay and disclaimer "IIRC"19:34
DocScrutinizeryep19:34
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DocScrutinizerhonestly there should be quite a number of guys hanging out here who know way better than me and can give you really useful hints19:37
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timeless_xchatstandard .po19:43
DocScrutinizerthnx19:43
timeless_xchatand nokia bought trolltech19:43
timeless_xchatwho in turn already invented their own localization format (.ts)19:44
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timeless_xchatdo we get partial credit there? :)19:44
DocScrutinizerjust wondering why an apt-get install gettext includes gettext-base which seems is 8MB :-/19:44
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DocScrutinizerwell, wondering why it's 8MB maybe19:45
DocScrutinizeror, to be precise, I just want the gettext cli binary without all that cruft19:46
timeless_xchati want an n900 whose usb port works19:46
timeless_xchatyou're being greedy19:46
timeless_xchat(low battery)19:46
DocScrutinizeror some other cli tool to get the translation mcen_ap_name->mail19:46
timeless_xchatmxr.maemo.org?19:47
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DocScrutinizer*cough*19:47
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timeless_xchatmxr.maemo.org/fremantle/search?string=mcen_ap_name&find=po$19:48
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timeless_xchatthe second hit would work for me :)19:48
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DocScrutinizerI planned to use gettext(1) or any other cli means to translate that darn mcen_ap_name in a script I planned to publish. Can't depend on gettext-base (8MB) for users to use that script19:49
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KaffeeJunky123Is anyone in here using muppen64plus from the extras-devel repository?19:50
DocScrutinizeralso using greasemonky or some wget|awk wizardry requiring internet connectivity isn't bearable as a prerequisite for that script19:50
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DocScrutinizerhonestly I wonder how Nokia managed to screw things so nicely once again. .desktop already has (and always had) generic support for I18n, still Nokia decided to implement .po based crap into it19:52
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: just a question, do you also use Linux on your desktop or laptop computer?19:54
DocScrutinizerthe whole translation concept of maemo is fundamentally flawed19:54
DocScrutinizerVenemo: sure, why?19:54
MohammadAGall systems use .po -> .mo files19:55
DocScrutinizerso?19:55
VenemoDocScrutinizer, I'm just curious, what distro do you use?19:55
DocScrutinizermeh, irrelevant. No buntkuh crap19:55
Venemojust please tell me19:55
DocScrutinizerOpenSuse19:56
MohammadAGfind /usr/share -name *.mo19:56
Venemomhm19:56
MohammadAGopenSUSE probably uses them too19:56
VenemoDocScrutinizer: Opensuse is related to Fedora, right?19:56
DocScrutinizerso? what?19:56
DocScrutinizerVenemo: nfc19:57
Venemookay DocScrutinizer :)19:57
divanWhere is javispedro? I can't understand how to use LD_PRELOAD support for preenv within the .desktop file.19:59
divanAnd why applications are called through d-bus service rather then via exec call as written .desktop?19:59
MohammadAGX-Osso-Service20:00
divanAny ideas? Simply passing LD_PRELOAD to .desktop/.service doesn't work.20:00
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# grep Name= /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop /usr/share/applications/hildon/htop.desktop20:01
DocScrutinizer/usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:Name=mcen_ap_name20:01
DocScrutinizer/usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop:Name=uri_link_compose_email20:01
DocScrutinizer/usr/share/applications/hildon/htop.desktop:Name=Htop20:01
DocScrutinizer/usr/share/applications/hildon/htop.desktop:GenericName=Process Viewer20:01
E0xVenemo: archlinux20:01
divanMohammadAG, I see how it's called, but I can't understand the reason - why to use dbus service call instead of direct call?20:01
MohammadAGdivan, .sh file20:01
MohammadAGdivan, transitions when opening the file are one20:02
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divanMohammadAG, .sh means overwriting/duplication all wrapper.sh and env.sh stuff. I want to follow javispedro scripts and make as straightforward as possible.20:02
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divanMohammadAG, didn't get about transitions. Can you explain?20:03
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MohammadAGthe screenshot that opens when an app opens20:03
MohammadAGto make it look faster20:03
MohammadAGthat's the only thing I can think of atm20:04
E0xi hate that20:04
divanHuh20:04
MohammadAGopen the clock app, it'll show a screenshot then the application itself20:04
E0xit make look fast but crappy at the same time20:04
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DocScrutinizeralso don't invoke twice, rather bring to front the running instance20:04
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, lcuk mentioned that to me once, but Exec= also bought back the running instance20:05
DocScrutinizerundeamonice it even, for preloaded apps20:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: yes, indeed20:05
MohammadAGso I'm guessing it's hildon-desktop doing some magic20:05
DocScrutinizerotoh iirc I was able to start independent instances of xterm20:06
divanHow 'clock' invoker knows what screenshot to launch?20:06
divanActually I like this idea)20:06
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MohammadAGdivan, X-Osso-Service20:07
MohammadAGhildon_take_screenshot() takes a screenshot20:07
MohammadAGstores it as ~/.cache/launch/$serviceName.pvr20:07
DocScrutinizero/20:07
MohammadAGthe pvr is loaded using the Power VR SGX, so it shouldn't delay app startup20:08
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divanMohammadAG, thanks20:09
MohammadAGyq20:10
MohammadAGyw*20:10
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E0xyq = you cute ?20:10
E0x:P20:10
DocScrutinizerstill I think it's a friggin PITA. I *always* click in vain on settings subfunctions _two times_ until I realize it's just the screenshot20:11
E0xDocScrutinizer: indeed20:11
DocScrutinizerfreaking annoying20:12
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DocScrutinizerI'd prefer just about everything over this stupid screenshot20:12
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DocScrutinizeranyway bbl for real now20:13
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MohammadAGI just look at the spinning circle20:15
Venemohah20:15
MohammadAGI think my way of implementing it in PSFreedom works best :p20:15
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Venemohow do you implement it?20:15
MohammadAGan image saying PSFreedom is loading, Please Wait20:16
MohammadAGapt-get install it and see for yourself :P20:16
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RiDHi :)20:33
pupniko/20:33
RST38hremoo pupnik, javispedro20:34
javispedromoorning20:34
pupnikhola RST38h20:35
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pupnikwhat do you think of the cursor-movement in falcons eye?  make the arrow keys move diagonally?20:35
pupnikwould allow navigating the levels without the stylus20:36
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pupnikmaybe it doesn't have enough users to make it worthwhile20:36
divanjavispedro, morning. We've discussed reasons of invoking apps via d-bus service rather then direct exec from .desktop. Do you have something to add to 'visual launch speed-up' and 'preventing from launching twice'?20:37
javispedro"it is the maemo way"?20:38
divanjavispedro, also I didn't find right way to pass LD_PRELOAD to wrapper.sh from .service file, so end up with own .sh wrappers. But maybe you'll suggest more elegant solution?20:40
javispedroif all you want is to add a single environment variable, I suggest you take a look at the "env" tool20:41
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divanjavispedro, I need to add it per app only20:42
divanI tried to cal env from .service's Exec - no luck20:42
divans/cal/call/20:42
infobotdivan meant: I tried to call env from .service's Exec - no luck20:42
javispedrothat's how I was doing it previously, so recheck...20:43
javispedroExec=/usr/bin/env VAR=VALUE /path/to/binary --arg120:43
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divanjavispedro, it works! Thanks. I've tried with quotes before '/usr/bin/env' and it didn't work.20:49
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MohammadAGwho's on PR1.3 without the CSSU installed?20:52
E0xme20:53
MohammadAGdpkg -l hildon-desktop pwease? :P20:53
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E0xMohammadAG: no wireless access , what you need ?20:54
E0x( i mean i can ssh from there and paste easy )20:54
MohammadAGversion number20:54
MohammadAGis it something like 2.2.140-1+0m5?20:55
E0x1:2.2.140-1+0m20:55
luke-jrwhat is CSSU?20:55
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MohammadAG5, the last part didn't fit (you need to zoom out to see it), thanks anyway :)20:55
MohammadAG~cssu20:55
infobothmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU20:55
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E0xMohammadAG: yes is a 520:56
E0xi send the output to a file and check it20:57
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RiDBy the way guys, I'm working on a theme (and hope I get it finished), could someone later help me with packaging it?20:58
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MohammadAGhmm21:06
MohammadAGnever knew you could disable desktop composition with CTRL+SHIFT+N21:06
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* E0x testing21:08
E0xhmm MohammadAG i dont see the effect21:08
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MohammadAGwhere are you doing it?21:09
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E0x@n90021:10
alteregoCan you turn it back on though :P21:10
alteregohttp://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/02/23/outraged-child-killers-to-protest-bill-gates-for-calling-them-child-killers21:10
alteregoI just like the headline :D21:12
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MohammadAGalterego, toggles it21:17
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alteregoI don't notice a difference :P21:19
javispedro"disabling" composition on h-d would case title bar to disappear and a whole lot of wacky stuff21:20
javispedroI doubt it works21:20
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MohammadAGit does, the title bar does disappear :P21:20
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javispedrooh, good stuff then.21:22
piggzlo *21:22
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alteregoWeird, it re-enables it though21:22
javispedrothat makes it even more easier to test when/if h-d causes tearing, MohammadAG.21:22
alteregoIt re-enables it when you task switch21:23
javispedrodue to the way it is written h-d can't do very much when not compositing21:24
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MohammadAGhmm, you're right21:25
MohammadAGturning off compositing reduces tearing21:25
javispedronow do us an antifavor and post it on tmo, calling it "turbo mode" or "greenpill mode"21:27
luke-jralterego: funny enough, it wasn't long ago that Bill Gates referred to vaccines as a population control method21:27
MohammadAGjavispedro, I wouldn't do that now, would I? :P21:27
javispedro>:)21:27
MohammadAGOverclock the UI is a nicer title21:27
alteregoHeh21:27
RST38h12 days uptime. REBOOT.21:28
RST38hOh, holy Tentacled One, the Phone application really sucks at 12 days uptime...21:28
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javispedroRST38h: make a video of it crawling21:29
piggzi had a wierd problem with my n900 earler that has never ocurred before...it constantly asked to choose a connection, if if one was active...no matter what was selected, it just kept popping up...anyone seen that before?21:29
RST38hjavispedro: too painful even to watch it happen21:29
javispedroexactly, it would be like puppies dying21:29
RST38hjavispedro: the screen blinks, rotates once, part of the phone UI comes up, it gets stuck, the screen rotates one more, it draws properly this time but is sitll stuck, and so forth for 5-10 seconds21:30
E0xpiggz: maybe you setup something that is needed of a internet connection21:30
E0xand that is way is asking for one21:30
piggzE0x: but i selected one, and it was active21:30
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E0xcheck if is not getting disconnect21:31
MohammadAGVenemo, qildon's zoom works fine21:31
E0xmaybe your provider is having problem with the data21:31
ArkenoiRST38h, are you going to attend the fruct conference?21:31
piggzE0x: well, it is fixed now after i rebooted it21:31
E0xok21:31
RST38hArkenoi: Nope21:32
ArkenoiRST38h, i probably will21:32
RST38hArkenoi: No point, as none of the people I know will be there21:32
piggzwhats all this twitter activity about an n950...does it look any good?21:32
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E0xno even exist21:33
E0xso not sure21:33
pupnikjust one comment in a conference21:33
Arkenoino, it does not21:33
ShadowJKis there any real information or is it just the name21:33
ArkenoiShadowJK, the only thing we know for sure is that it won't have keyboard, so dump it21:33
E0xhow you know that for sure if the problem not even exist21:34
E0x?21:34
E0x:\21:34
piggzthere is a video on youtube, but i dont have the badnwidth atm to watch it :)21:34
ArkenoiE0x, Green told so21:34
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ShadowJKno keyboard? wtf.21:38
ShadowJK:(21:39
javispedroI do not think we know for sure it doesn't have a keyboard.21:39
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javispedroalso, still scraping the mwc videos for rumours?21:40
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* javispedro sighs21:40
timeless_xchathistorically we requeste people not speculate here21:40
timeless_xchatit prevents nokians from being present21:40
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RST38hthe history is ending anyway21:41
RST38hjavispedro: makes no sense guessing. it will leak, sooner or later, and then everyone will complain about it.21:41
javispedroRST38h: then, after it leaks, it will be scrapped.21:41
ShadowJKlol21:41
VenemoMohammadAG: you merged it?21:42
VenemoMohammadAG: that's nice :)21:42
* javispedro sighs at a pm21:42
RST38hjavispedro: likely, yes21:42
javispedroI want to kill someone today.21:42
RST38hjavispedro: ah, you too? :)21:42
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MohammadAGVenemo, manually, patch failed to patch it :p21:43
RiDHey, a little stupid but important for me question21:45
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Scorcereris it worth to install community SSU (ofc with making backup first)?21:46
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RiDWhat color scheme would you want on a glossy theme? Black and... ? Right now i'm using blue (009cff)21:46
* Arkenoi wonders why community SSU is disabling communications on install and reboots even if no big changes are installed and nothing that may affect system stability during install happens.21:47
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piggzScorcerer: imho, yes, ats great21:47
pupniklibya was under colonial rule by Italy21:48
pupnikdammit wrong channel21:48
Scorcererso there are more changes than those listed on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-6.5 ?21:48
ZogGMohammadAG, always wanted to ask ifin  PR_1.3.3.7-6.5  1337 is for leech?21:50
RiDit is funny, N900 is the first device ever getting a 1337 patch. Which means it's the most superior patch ever.21:51
Arkenoihow do i force rotation globally in community ssu (like ctrl-shift-R everywhere)?21:52
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chadiArkenoi: forcerotate=1 in thp_tweaks21:54
chadiArkenoi: sorry, forcerotation=121:55
Arkenoiin transitions.ini ?21:57
VenemoArkenoi: yes21:57
ZogGBCMM, huh21:59
ZogGBCMM, i'm desperated21:59
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MohammadAGZogG, yes, it's 133722:04
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ZogGMohammadAG \o/ yay22:04
javispedrodid you know that microsoft's legal department definition of "mobile phone" is a device "that does not include a keyboard designed for use with more than two fingers"22:06
MohammadAGlolwut22:07
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javispedrothey're retarted. it seems that even on every EULA they put their usual GPL-bashing.22:08
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dominikbwhen will qt 4.7.2 be available for maemo5?22:11
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RiDa mobile phone that does not include a keyboard designed for use with more than two fingers? That's... stupid22:12
RiDI always used 2 fingers :)22:12
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dominikbi am asking because in qtmobility 1.1.1 the following issue should be fixed: ur.ly/Fr8n22:15
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jacekowskijavispedro: laptop with apple iwheel22:24
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javispedroaha, the onion.22:25
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steve___Other than tweakr, are there any other apps which extended the functionality of profiles?22:27
Arkenoisteve___, porfilesX, but it sucks22:29
steve___Arkenoi: good to know, thanks.22:29
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* ruskie has yet to find a use for more than silent and general profiles22:30
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ruskieand even those two I switch using a cronjob22:31
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steve___ruskie: ascending volume would be nice.  It would be nice to have a different sound for different email accounts or something like steve___@gmail.com vs steve___+nagios@gamil.com etc22:34
RiDUse two E-mail clients, but that's not a viable solution :D22:34
ruskiebreak libnotify to actually support that?22:35
steve___I read on the board Andriod has a profile app which change profiles based on GPS location.  Walking into a theatre would set it to silent...  leaving sets it to 'general'22:35
Venemoruskie, sound is not made by libnotify22:35
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RiDlol?22:36
ruskieVenemo, I would assume that the notifier actually generates the sound based on event...22:36
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ruskienot the actual app22:36
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Venemoruskie, libnotify is a standard thing accross all Linux distros22:37
Arkenoiah, forced auto rotation does bad trick for programs with "forced portrait" mode like spb brain evolution :-(22:37
ruskieVenemo, I know22:37
Venemoruskie: it just handles some D-Bus stuff, but not sounds22:37
steve___also it would be nice to vibrate three times then sound22:37
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ruskieI would assume it sends a play this sound notification as well22:37
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steve___going further two quick vibrates vs a normal vibrate.22:38
ruskieanyway... don't really care22:38
Venemosteve___: modest is open source, feel free to improve it in the ways you want22:38
steve___But I'm sure this has all been said before, I was just wondering if there was anything out there.22:38
steve___Venemo: No, I completely understand...  I'm in no way complaining.22:39
BCMMZogG: what's "desperated"?22:39
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ZogGBCMM like wives in TV show22:40
piggzpcsuite mode on windows allows browsing files doesnt it?  is that possible on linux?  i dont want to use mass storage mode becuase im tethering off it over usb22:40
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BCMMpiggz: if you've already got a network connection to it, why not use SFTP?22:40
BCMMpiggz: if you already have an SSH daemon running, that is22:40
jacekowskissh is slower22:40
BCMMif you use KDE or Gnome, your file manager will accept sftp://user@n900/ as a URL22:41
piggzBCMM: good point...22:41
BCMMwhere n900 is your n900's hostname or ip, ofc22:41
piggzyeah, thats how i get stuff to and from my maemo virtual machine22:41
BCMMmine's in /etc/hosts22:41
BCMMi can't remember when i last used mass storage22:41
jacekowskitry to copy movie over ssh22:42
_0x47hi! I just tried to do the update on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/60704 and realized the .deb file is gone. Anyone know if this still works and where I may get the .deb file?22:42
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BCMMi only use it for putting films on the n900 to watch with TV-out, or copying raw photos off it - anything else is quick enough over sftp to make it not worth plugging it in22:42
jacekowski_0x47: that's way out of date22:42
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jacekowski_0x47: problem is gone22:42
jacekowski_0x47: because pr 1.3 is released22:42
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jacekowski_0x47: and http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/22:43
_0x47jacekowski: oh lol, i was gone for too long22:44
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achipamy brain hurts. who names their method as MaemoPackageCreationStep::addWorkaroundForHarmattanBug, anyway ?22:53
_0x47jacekowski: thanks, btw :)22:54
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_0x47jacekowski: I'm a bit confused from the devkit thing. I guess I'm supposed to install the .deb file to my "host" as I get "permission denied" in the scratchbox (after /scratchbox/login). So, dpkg -c showed me it will install into ./scratchbox/... (note the leading ./)23:01
_0x47does that mean I have to run in from / to make it got to /scratchbox?23:01
_0x47or manually copy it's contents to /scratchbox?23:01
jacekowskii never tried installing it like that23:02
jacekowskibut as far as i remember dpkg changes working dir to / anyways23:02
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_0x47oh, then it should be fine, thanks23:05
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piggzim my qt maemo app....buttons appear with a gradient....but, assuming the colorrole of one of the colors is Qt::Button, what is the other?  ive tried light, midligh, mid and dark, but none look right23:12
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ZogGpupnik, hey23:27
ZogGsup23:27
ZogGMohammadAG, ping23:28
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MohammadAGpong23:28
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divanpiggz, try to ask on #qt23:32
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piggzdivan: i did, no answer...so...i did it myself, by taking the color, converting it to hsv, and adding to the v component to make it slightly lighter :)23:33
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divanpiggz, maybe you know how to make Qt buttons look like default Hildon buttons? (without gradient and blue border). Of course, I can do it with stylesheet, but I guess there is some more 'native' method without guesswork.23:35
piggzdivan: my qt buttons look very much like hildon buttons...tho im using plastik dark black theme, so maybe that makes a difference23:37
pupnikZogG: what's heppininin23:37
ZogGMohammadAG can you please try to build something for me for maemo?23:38
ZogGpupnik, nothing, do you use xmms2 on maemo?23:38
pupniki didedid!23:38
pupniklong time ago at least23:39
ZogGit's wierd nicolai is using gtk for developing =)23:39
MohammadAGno, it's not :)23:39
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MohammadAGGtk is faster than Qt (at least for startup)23:39
jacekowskiit's not23:39
jacekowskiit's just a fact that gtk is already loaded into memory23:40
MohammadAGyes23:40
jacekowskibut if you load them from nothing23:40
jacekowskiqt will be faster23:40
MohammadAGshould've made myself clear23:40
MohammadAGGtk is faster than Qt (at least for startup), on Maemo 523:40
MohammadAGthe only thing I've seen launcher faster, even on Maemo 5, is my media player rewrite23:40
MohammadAGthe UI shows up faster than Nokia's one23:40
KaffeeJunky123wow23:41
KaffeeJunky123that's pretty fast23:41
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MohammadAGI'd say Nokia's UI is slow :P23:41
KaffeeJunky123compared to what?23:41
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MohammadAGto my rewrite23:41
KaffeeJunky123duh23:41
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merlin1991if I recompile a desktop widget, how would I go about loading the new one without rebooting?23:41
lcukMohammadAG, your code is green.23:41
MohammadAGmerlin1991, open the .desktop file, save it, close it23:42
lcukall new code is faster than the system standard23:42
MohammadAGactually, you just need to save it23:42
BCMMMohammadAG: tested with another Qt application already running?23:42
lcuksee fapman vs ham23:42
MohammadAGlcuk, HAM is threaded, it's epically fast on a PC23:42
lcukonce fapman gets all hte checks and balances in etc23:42
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lcukMohammadAG, yes :)23:42
BCMMpart of the reason GTK applications start faster could be that GTK is loaded at boot, but Qt is very likely not loaded already23:42
lcukbut a pc is not an n90023:42
MohammadAGtrue23:42
MohammadAGI wish Qt would be loaded into memory23:43
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ZogGMohammadAG does he made mediaplayer as well?23:43
divanreadahead can preload it23:43
jacekowskibut it will be quickly replaced23:43
MohammadAGZogG, no, I said _my_ rewrite for a reason23:43
DocScrutinizerFASTER CODE!!23:43
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MohammadAGhe did make the Mafw wrappers though23:43
KaffeeJunky123what's it written in?23:44
KaffeeJunky123C?23:44
MohammadAGQt23:44
MohammadAGi.e C++23:44
MohammadAGsome may argue that Qt is not C++, anyway...23:44
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BCMMQt apps don't *have* to be written in C++...23:45
MohammadAGyes23:45
MohammadAGThey can be written in PyQt23:45
DocScrutinizerfor Qt preload check out KDE23:45
BCMMbut saying that a native c++ Qt app is not really C++ is a little silly, imho23:45
lcukBCMM, but accessing the API using anything other than C++ compiler is troublesome23:45
* DocScrutinizer wonders idly if maemo/meego will adopt such scheme23:45
MohammadAGI left PyQt, it's too slow23:45
lcukBCMM, there are many documented writeups about Qt23:45
BCMMlcuk: i wouldn't know; never used any of the bindings23:45
piggz_MohammadAG: some may argue, but i bet they'd be wrong ;)23:45
lcuksince it uses the MOC stuff23:45
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I think MeeGo does it23:45
BCMMbut there seem to be plenty of perfectly good KDE plasmoids in python23:46
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BCMMyes, there is clever moc stuff and so on, but in the end you can call other C++ APIs perfectly normally from a Qt application, and so on23:46
MohammadAGI wonder if Qt preload can be hacked in23:46
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ZogGMohammadAG yeah i know about your rewrite but faster than nicolai's what than?23:46
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MohammadAGZogG, I said Nokia's, not nicolai's23:46
DocScrutinizer:nod: seeing meamo doing same thing via maemolaucnher23:47
DocScrutinizerfor GTK?23:47
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MohammadAGah, so that's what maemo-launcher does?23:47
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BCMMMohammadAG: of course, if nothing else worked you could just have a Qt application run and instantly quit on startup...23:47
ZogGMohammadAG oh23:47
MohammadAGthat's... it?23:47
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ZogGnow it makes sence23:47
MohammadAGdoesn't it have to stay in memory?23:48
DocScrutinizererr /usr/bin/maemo-invoker23:48
ZogGi'll ask Nokia or Nicolai to change the name23:48
DocScrutinizerI'd guess yes, that'S what it does23:48
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MohammadAGdon't bother, NokSoft :P23:48
ZogGMsNokla23:48
MohammadAGBCMM, if a Qt is already running, then it sure as hell beats the stock mediaplayer23:49
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BCMMMohammadAG: clearly, the best way for you to improve your media player would be to port H-D to Qt. :)23:49
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: start mediaplayer from a `LDPRELOAD=qtfoo,qtbar xterm`23:50
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MohammadAGwhat goes in place of qtfoo? :P23:50
DocScrutinizeryour QT libs.so23:50
MohammadAGah23:50
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BCMMi was thinking that preloading is a total waste of resources, but it actually wouldn't be if it was an optional thing that you install if use have a lot of Qt applications23:50
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MohammadAGyeah23:51
DocScrutinizerso xterm has a link to those libs and loaded them, and (I hope) any child of xterm will inherit23:51
MohammadAGfor one app, it's obviously a waste23:51
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BCMMi'd certainly love to be able to launch FCamera faster; it starts slow enough to permit things to run away23:51
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BCMMat the stupidest level, it could be a very minimal Qt application that runs in the background and does nothing23:52
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sure, but that'S not how /usr/bin/maemo-invoker works23:52
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MohammadAG2s till the UI shows23:53
MohammadAGNokia's takes 4s23:53
MohammadAGand uses maemo-launcher :)23:53
andre__bergie: that was an interesting blogpost! thank you! :)23:53
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: well, wait with bragging til your MP is feature-complete23:55
RST38hControlling your bladder makes you better at controlling yourself when making decisions about your future, too, according to a study to be published in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.23:55
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it already lists songs and videos at startup23:55
MohammadAGsomething the stock player doesn't do (it only lists them when you click Songs or Videos)23:55
MohammadAGand Mafw is DBus-based, all calls are based on signals and so shouldn't block the UI23:56
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DocScrutinizerhmm, still genuine MP might "preload" aka initialize objects for subscreens, so you as well have to check how fast yours is for e.g. switching to audioplayer or videoplayer, compared to original23:56
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MohammadAGwell, true that23:57
MohammadAGI'm not sure how to implement the video player part, never worked with video23:57
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