IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2011-09-21

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DocScrutinizer~seen nilsge01:04
infobotnilsge <hammerfest@gateway/shell/> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 35m 33s ago, saying: 'I made a reflash and fresh install to check if any of the headphone daemons or whatever I installed over the time was making problems. Nothing, the same problem right from the start without anything extra installed. (But still normals calls just work fine)'.01:04
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DocScrutinizerMacer: I'm more interested in getting some 2 .. 3 of those ports01:05
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Estel_hello there01:06
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Estel_Could someone tell me, how can I play .vob (from DVDs) files in Maemo Media Player? When I try to do so, I got error "unsupported sound format". Ho ever, I think there is no problem with video itself - at least thumbnails are generated without problems.01:08
Estel_So, I see from within media player what I'm going to play, but when I try, I get sound format error. I know I can use mplayer (with any frontend for it), but it lacks hardware acceleration, so I got 100% CPU usage. Sound play smoothly, and video almos01:09
Estel_almost* - with little, very little effect of framedrop.01:09
Estel_I would love being able to play it hardware accelerated.01:10
Estel_Thanks in advance for answer01:10
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DocScrutinizer51transcode is the magic word I guess01:10
DocScrutinizer51or maybe the latest version of codecs-dirty or what it's called has some support for that soundtrack format01:11
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texasmynstedWhere/how do i do escape key on n900?01:15
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MacerDocScrutinizer: i have some extra ones01:16
Macerif he is able to get it working i can send you the spare ones if you need them01:16
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Macerlet me print the receipt and i can tell you the part number he said to get.. he knows more about this than anybody.. he tried to guess at it by the pics i sent him which would probably be the best one to use.01:18
DocScrutinizer51well not exactly "need" so far (crosses fingers)01:18
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Maceropen it and enforce it :) otherwise it is just a matter of time01:19
Macerand once it goes it is a pain to put back on01:19
Macerthe digikey part is H11574CT-ND01:20
DocScrutinizer51I'm actually pondering or even scheduling that01:20
Maceri just sent it to him today and it should get there thursday. hopefully he can do something with it01:20
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Macerhe said the pads are in good shape so it shouldn't be too difficult01:20
Macerbut he can't really tell until he gets it01:21
DocScrutinizer51he got the exact footprint from my bare board scnas?01:21
Maceri don't know tbh01:21
Maceri just sent him a bunch of pics of the board... he may have found them or looked them up01:21
Macerand i also sent him pics of the old and new ports... and the one i got from ebay01:22
Macerthe ebay one was actualy the wrong port.. talk about F------- for a rating :)01:22
Macerdamn false advertising chinese. :)01:22
Maceri got 10 of them and sent him 7 just in case01:22
Macerthey're only $1.3201:23
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Macerwell.. digikey is funny. my bad.. they are actually 1.30200 :) i guess like gas prices? where they do the thousanth of a penny?01:23
Macerhow does that work? lol.01:24
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Estel_thanks, DocScrutinizer, checking that.01:24
DocScrutinizer51I had a hard time finding any exactlym5ching spare. Found a nice thru hole part though that probably would mod just great, with a pliers to bend the posts01:24
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DocScrutinizer51exactly matching*01:26
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  I can't seems to find 'transcode', and obviously, google searching result in many irrelevant results01:36
Estel_also, I can't seem to find anything related to codes, dirty or whatsnot. Is it in repos?01:36
Estel_I've tried with all packages, not only user section, of course01:37
DocScrutinizer51transcoding is a process, not n executable01:37
Estel_lol I see01:38
Estel_I know, I just thought someone named package like that01:38
DocScrutinizer51I think on regular linux there's a transcode package01:38
Estel_will do. I just hoped for hardware accelerated playback of DVDs via H-E-N and slim, portable USB DVD drive01:39
keriohaha what01:39
Maceruse re-encode with handbrake01:39
Macerto h264/aac01:39
Maceryou can find the video specs online i'm sure01:39
kerioyou will *not* power a usb dvd drive on the n900's usb port01:40
DocScrutinizer51Estel_: ask MohammadAG - he did exactly that01:40
Estel_yes, I will01:40
Maceri forgot what they were for an n900 but it plays video rather well01:40
Estel_already did01:40
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  thanks. You mean he got accelerated playback? O_o01:40
kerioEstel_: wtf01:40
keriodid it work? :o01:40
Estel_kerio, why surprised? with Y-cable everything work01:40
Macera 32GB sd should be more than enough for quite a bit of video encoded for the n90001:41
DocScrutinizer51I'm not ure if he finally got accel. His youtube vid anyway isn't01:41
kerioi said power01:41
kerionot use01:41
Macerkerio: the y cable is giving him power from somewhere else01:41
Macerbut that seems a little ghetto heh01:41
Estel_Macer, thank. You're right, I feel pretty comfortable with video codecs and Your suggestion seems reasonable. As I've said I hoped for DVD playback from discs :P01:41
keriounless you're like powering it with 5 or 6 n900s01:41
kerioit would be awesome01:41
MacerEstel_: it is best to just encode with handbrake01:42
Estel_Yea DocScrutinizer, I saw this video long time ago. Nice thing.01:42
DocScrutinizer51yeah 200mA prolly a bit weak or a DVD drive01:42
Macerplaying actual dvd video doesn't sound pracrical01:42
kerioor perhaps 4 n900s, each playing a fourth of the video01:42
Estel_kerio, You just need Y-cable01:42
kerioin a way that gives you a bigger screen01:42
Macerkerio: heh. he said he was using a y cable... so he is powering from elsewhere01:42
kerioEstel_: yeah but where do you get the fucking power01:42
Estel_I got 2A 5V power supply, only *very* little bigger than Nokia N900 charger01:43
Estel_from fuckin wall socket? :P01:43
keriothat's cheating ._.01:43
Maceri would say lugging around a usb optial drive to play dvds is a bad idea all on its own :)01:43
Estel_hahaha somehow yes01:43
Estel_but when I travel01:44
Estel_I take my N900 with me, minoi USBkeyboard01:44
Estel_mini Keyboard,not mini-usb :)01:44
Macerlike i said.. .a 32GB SD and encoded video is a far better option01:44
Estel_bluetooth mouse01:44
Estel_pico projector01:44
keriowho buys dvds anyway01:44
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Estel_USB DVDmslim type01:44
Maceryou can adjust bitrate to make them smaller.. i mean it is a tiny screen anyways. you really won't  notice the difference in res or bitrate unless you really drop it down01:45
Estel_and Its much lightweight and portable than carrying laptop01:45
Macerbut 200MB/hr should be very watchable01:45
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kerioMacer: tv out :)01:45
Estel_and it's modulable.01:45
DocScrutinizer51indeed quality of a DVD is overkill for N900 video01:45
Macerkerio: then up it to 350/hr ;)01:45
Estel_tv out got lower ress than N900 screen unfortunatelly.01:45
Maceryeah. it isn't the best tv out on the planet for a phone01:46
Estel_I was up to say, that only thing I lack is hdmi out :P01:46
Macerbut it was a little ahead of its time ;)01:46
Macerlike the n9501:46
Macertv out was a new concept for a phone.. there weren't too many devices pullling it off01:46
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Macernot to mention.... if you encode the video and put it on the sd instead.. you won't wall power01:47
Estel_as for dvd drive - i think rather of being able to access any DVD someone may throw at me01:47
Macern900 lasts quite a while fully charged and playing video01:47
Estel_be it data or video01:47
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keriolol Estel_01:47
Estel_Macer, true01:47
kerioi removed my laptop's optical drive because i wasn't using it01:47
Estel_I'm kind of person that actually use optical drives quite a lot01:48
Maceryeah.. i haven't used an optical drive in quite a while myself01:48
DocScrutinizer51honestly how many TV with hdmi in are in your neighbourhood? may vary between 95% and next to 001:48
Macereven my gf can play a video file on her stuff :)01:48
Macerno offense to women or girlfriends.. but.... you know?01:48
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Macerto wean a woman off a disc is like telling her to never wash her hair again01:48
Estel_DocScrutinizer,  places where I travel usually got tvs with hdmi in, but I'm rather thinking about projector01:48
kerioMacer: you insulted at most like 3 people here, i bet01:49
Macerkerio: haha.. well.. the ones here would know how to play a video file ;)01:49
Estel_I got acess to not-so- overpriced LED projectors, that weight 53 grams, fit in Your hand (smaller than palm, actually)01:49
Estel_and provide quite bright and 800x600 picture01:49
x29aand have .5 lumen?01:49
Macer.5 lumen hahahah01:49
Estel_up to 50 inches01:50
Estel_actually, about 15 :P01:50
Estel_advertised 50:P real ~1501:50
x29aim waiting for laser projectors to become affordable, without having read what you guys talk about01:50
Estel_+ I can connect hdmi or s-video or composite01:51
Estel_as You can imagine, composite is worst option :P01:51
Estel_in terms of quality of image01:51
Estel_anyway, for my own videos I'll stick with re-encoding01:51
Maceri just hope i get my n900 back and it works01:51
Macerthis g2 is driving me crazy01:52
Macerhtc makes some cheaply made phones01:52
Estel_BTW, DocScrutinizer and others, what about that codes-dirty? where one can find it?01:52
DocScrutinizer51err, wait  minute01:52
Estel_thanks in advance01:53
Estel_btw, as for powering01:53
Estel_If I would be more freaky-geeky than I am, I would made myself nice bracelet with 5v output01:54
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Estel_buying something like christgift's li-ions, You can get very high capacity for cheap01:54
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Estel_+ little, very little pcb with high efficiency 5v transformation01:55
Estel_and You can Y-cable without a wall socket :P01:55
DocScrutinizerEstel_: I think I mixed things up a bit, anyway
Estel_no problem to get 10Ah of stored power @ 5V in nice, not-so-heavy bracelet. On belt, You can get 30Ah with ease01:56
Estel_ok, thanks, will check01:56
Estel_I would never buy commercial power bracelets oe belts, doing it Yourself is much more fun and 3-4 capacity gain for same price.01:57
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DocScrutinizerbad ugly dirty whocares02:01
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DocScrutinizerthis URL *begs* for sme SQL injection exploit ;-P02:03
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  erm, ugly set is more bleeding-edge than bad?02:05
Estel_it seems that ugly replace bad (dependencies)02:05
Estel_and what about plugins-good-extra?02:06
Estel_I feel a little lost in this good extra bad good ugly world02:07
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Estel_what the heck?02:07
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DocScrutinizerEstel_: tell me if any of those ~60+ packages fixed your problem ;-D02:11
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Estel_thanks DocScrutinizer, it seems I already got plugins-bad and decoder-support02:11
Estel_will try with ugly and ac302:11
DocScrutinizerIt seems decoders-support claims to include ac302:12
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DocScrutinizerUses GStreamer decoders and tracker mimetype registering tool02:12
DocScrutinizer * AC-3 audio in video files support02:12
DocScrutinizerwhich of course doesn't preclude that ac3-support works better than decoder-support on ac302:13
DocScrutinizera nightmare, honestly02:14
Estel_I wonder what "multiverse" version is02:14
Estel_(of plugins-bad)02:14
Estel_yea :P02:14
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Estel_and I can't seem to find ac3-support package via fapman, neither in installed or available02:14
Estel_will try via package interface02:15
Estel_also, ugly replace bad, but bad doesn't replace ugly, so I tyink ugly is 'better' than bad:P02:15
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Estel_decoders support is maintained by same person as ac3 support, and decoder support replaces ac3 support02:17
Estel_so I think it's best to keep it.02:18
DocScrutinizeryeah, it's 1 month later02:18
DocScrutinizeryou'd think it's just a metapkg to include the other pkgs02:18
Estel_damn, ugly result in 'error code 1' while in dpkg -i state02:21
Estel_and some pipeline errors too02:21
Estel_what I expected, it's ugly. package description could be better, 'might pose distribution problems' may mean everything02:22
Estel_I thought about copyright :P02:22
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: you're going to love this02:30
javispedrowell, I've should posted in #harmattan, but still, I invite you to read.02:31
DocScrutinizer~hail javispedro02:32
* infobot bows down to javispedro and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"02:32
Estel_lol, I don't want to know what else You guys did to infobot02:32
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Estel_damn, nothing seems to fix this audio coodec problem (ended up installing plugins-good-extra)02:33
Estel_I wonder why mplayer play this mpeg without problem, and Maemo with it's gstreamer can't02:34
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Estel_I know totem player in ED can be made to use HA, maybe that will work... Gonna try, someday :P02:34
* wip_archl RIP lcuk...02:34
* wip_archl will carry on his work...02:35
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Macer_did lcuk die?02:35
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Estel_Macer_, You were sitting under stone for last week?02:38
Maceri didn't get this week's issue of Maemo Now ?02:38
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Macerwhat's wrong with lcuk?02:39
SpeedEvilHe's passed on.02:39
Maceroh wow. really? damn that's horrible. how?02:40
SpeedEvilThough his client is still up somewhere.02:41
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Macerthat is depressing... sorry. i honestly didn't know02:42
Estel_Macer,  we were exactly as mch shocked02:42
Estel_no worries02:42
Macerdid he just die? what was wrong with him?02:42
Estel_even not knowing lcuk, it was thrilling to be here02:42
Estel_talking, with a little hope that it's hoax02:43
Estel_and then, Tracey used lcuk "ghost" irc account logged to tell us that it is not joke02:43
Estel_one sentence only, but earthquake for #maemo02:44
Maceryeah that's horrible. :(02:44
Estel_really, I won't forget that, can recall what She said with accuracy to single word and punctation :(02:44
Macernever met him in person but he was a good guy.02:44
DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I well noticed you didn't even start to mention a word about *how* you achieved set point in round two ;-D02:47
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DocScrutinizerand right so02:47
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Macerholy shit. can't believe lcuk is gone. that's messed up03:59
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SpeedEvilVery. He alwasy had so many ideas.04:02
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fredrinI found one extra n900 at work at the buss :D05:39
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fredringot two now05:40
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fredrinhey tank-man05:42
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fredrinand rm_you05:42
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fredrinno one awake?06:03
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rm_youfredrin: i am!06:07
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DocScrutinizerunklined again, phoooooh! ;-P11:06
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DocScrutinizer[2011-09-21 09:52:32] * DocScrutinizer WB everybody[2011-09-21 09:55:36] [465] You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 28800 min. - Spam is off topic on freenode.  mail if in error  (2011/9/21 09.53) You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 211:07
DocScrutinizer/ame WB11:08
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ruskieohh that annoying idoru thing11:08
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* DocScrutinizer waves11:08
ruskiethey really should hookup crm114 into that so that it can tell the difference between spam and actual people trying to talk11:08
crashanddieWhat happened to slashdot?11:09
crashanddieNow you can comment on comments, but in the form of summaries, not comments?11:09
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DocScrutinizer51ruskie: whats crm114?11:21
ruskieCRM114 - the Controllable Regex Mutilator11:21
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Estel_what the heck is happening here?11:25
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psychologeEstel_, he11:26
Estel_hej psychologe11:26
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DocScrutinizer51Estel_: eh? what's happening?11:32
DocScrutinizer51netsplit again?11:33
DocScrutinizer51infobot: ping11:33
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psychologeEstel_, has you install easy debian,,,,why i install some software auto upgrade some lib file....then my phone reboot..and debian LXDE can't boot..11:35
crashanddiepsychologe, don't use ",,,," and "..." all the time. Thanks.11:36
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Estel_DocScrutinizer,  I was asking about You being disconnected for 'spam' etc11:42
Estel_psychologe,  when using Easy Debian, avoid full distro update to Squeeze11:42
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Estel_normally, just use Lenny. When You want some new version, update one by one and check dependencies. Basically, You should not install anything that require update of gconf211:43
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Estel_also, be sure to *unmark* "treat suggested packages as dependencies"11:44
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Estel_You can try with forcing different versions during update - You can unstall the highest one that doesn't need updated gconf211:44
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Estel_this is because Maemo gconf2 is older and new gconf2 doesn't play nicely with Maemo gconf2 (Easy Debian is chrot)11:45
Estel_I wonder, if using Debian *witnout* chrot - i.e. booting into it - solve this. Probably, yes, but I got no idea what may be *"ot* working then.11:46
Estel_I'm off for now11:46
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psychologeEstel_, thanks your explain.i understand11:48
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keriowtf is chrot12:02
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jacekowskii just got my n900 "fixed"12:04
jacekowskiwith N812:04
jacekowskidoes anybody know what to do next?12:04
jacekowskii mean i didn't accept it, or anything yet12:05
fluxjacekowski, better ask your money back?12:06
fluxhas worked at least here in Finland12:06
jacekowskithey offered me 49.99 i've paid for a phone on start of contract12:06
jacekowskithat's all12:06
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fluxhow much did you pay for the phone in the first place? it was part of a contract?12:06
fluxoh, right12:06
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fluxyou just said it :-)12:07
fluxnot sure if there is a good solution for you :/12:07
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windparadisehello good morning all, pls I am new to this channel, and maemo but I wan to confirm, I am using phonegap and i am told it's possible to convert mobile application from one platform to another, is it true and how is it it done, can you pls send me more docs abt it ?12:08
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jacekowskicrashanddie_: ?12:11
jacekowskicrashanddie_: have you had any experience with that?12:11
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windparadiseany answer ?12:12
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ruskiewindparadise, sit back and idle someone that might know will respond when they see/feel like it12:14
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chem|stwth is phonegap?12:23
chem|stjacekowski: on contract... I'd say you have to live with it! sad...12:25
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chem|stbuy a new and shiny for ~360eur12:26
chem|stsell the N812:26
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mecejacekowski, ouch12:29
mecejacekowski, I think an e/ would be more valuable. I'd say buy and sell and buy used N90012:30
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* chem|st is thinking of buying another new n90012:31
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ErwinJungejacekowski: I know of one guy who had success by complaining on Nokia's public facebook page.12:38
ErwinJungeNokia kept sending him an N8, he kept sending them back and asking for N900. After a couple of attempts he complained on facebook and presto, they "found" an N900 for him.12:38
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chem|stErwinJunge: contract phone...12:42
ErwinJungechem|st: Same12:43
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ErwinJungeNearly everyone has contract phones here in the Netherlands12:43
Ikarusis there a way to sync the calender to a iCal feed (updating ics file) without using google + syncevolution ?12:44
chem|stIkarus: lol12:44
ErwinJungejacekowski: Getting the relevant info for you now, will pastebin conversation in a sec12:45
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Ikaruschem|st: that bad ?12:48
Ikarusit's the way my uni makes the agenda availible12:49
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chem|stIkarus: webcal would be nice...12:49
chem|styou can download and import but there is no feed service afaik, if you find one tell me!12:50
IkarusI guess I'll hackup something12:50
chem|stI need 2way not only reading feeds...12:51
chem|stgetting the feeds down shouldn't be that a hack...12:51
ErwinJunge2way sync with the uni agenda would need a whole different kind of hack I guess ;)12:52
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RST38hMeanwhile: Woman Abducts 8 Children With Same Name From Foster Home12:54
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ale152it worked! \o/13:07
ale152it was just a permissions problem :D13:07
ErwinJungeale152: cool!13:07
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ale152yeaaaaah :D13:07
ale152now i'm trying to use vumeter to take photos on noise13:08
ErwinJungeafk, lunch13:13
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you paid for the phone so you own it now, it's not like it's 49.95 you paid for it. They have to give you another N900, fix yours, or pay as much as it takes so you get another N900 on free market same condition13:17
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ale152ErwinJunge, everything's working :D13:42
ale152i had problem with the camera detect, because gphot2 detects strange things13:43
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ale152but if i set --camera "My camera" it works :D13:43
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DocScrutinizer~seen javispedro13:45
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 10h 35m 59s ago, saying: 'today I'm in such a weird mood I'm going to say, go for it. let's see this entire thing roll down the mountain until it either explodes or crashes'.13:45
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retro|cz~seen infobot13:54
infobotinfobot <~infobot@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 156d 16h 14m 18s ago, saying: 'i've cached 404 users, 399 unique users, distributed over 9 channels.'.13:54
retro|cz~seen retro|cz13:54
ale152ErwinJunge, i have a very stupid problem :\13:54
infobotretro|cz is currently on #maemo (2h 59m 52s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen retro|cz'.13:54
ale152gphoto2 seems to need root, but vumeter doesn't support "sudo command"...13:55
ale152i created a bash script with sudo gphoto2, but vumeter does not run it :(13:56
ale152uhm, i could start vumeter from root13:57
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jieroMy N900 having a strange problem... it cannot be read by my computer now...14:04
jieroi mean the fat partation.14:05
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jieroIs that possible the eMMc card dieing?14:06
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Sicelofsck it :p14:06
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jieroSicelo:  well, I found I lost some images, is it better to do testdisk first?14:07
jieroSicelo:  I mean photos ...14:07
Siceloalso fine, i think, as long as u do it at your own risk. where are you going to be saving to?14:08
jieroI don't know, probably send to desktop via wifi14:09
Sicelojust a minute, you will be running testdisk on N900, or from pc?14:09
jieroSicelo: I will try to run on N90014:10
jieroSicelo:  because PC even cannot recognizse the paratition.14:10
Sicelomaybe wait for more experienced people here14:10
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* Sicelo would fsck using BackupMenu. if testdisk needed, i would connect external drive via h-e-n, or use a memory card if the photos will fit in it14:12
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jierothanks Sicelo14:15
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jacekowskii took N815:20
jacekowskiand i'll be doing ebay thing15:20
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: well thing is, i paid "49.99" for the phone15:35
DocScrutinizerno, you paid for it each month with the fee for your plan15:35
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: N8 is worst deal you get from Nokia, for N900 repair15:36
jacekowskiwell, i've looked at ebay15:36
jacekowskiN8 seems to be easiest thing to sell15:36
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crashanddiewhat is Nokia is doing is essentially: Oh, you sent me a petrol Land Rover for repair? Well, here is diesel SUV.15:37
DocScrutinizerI'd insist on a C7-00, seems it's worth a bit more, and should sell as well15:41
DocScrutinizeror even insist on N90015:41
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DocScrutinizerNokia care just trying, so they save the few N900 they got for those few customers that insist in a getting a N900 back15:42
DocScrutinizerif you accept N8 then it's your own fault, as Nokia thinks they made you happy15:43
amiconnWhy C7 vs. N8? They're both symbian...15:43
amiconn(i.e. not worthmuch)15:43
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jacekowskisymbian is a very good os15:44
MohammadAGUI, not so much15:45
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, E7, not C715:45
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jacekowskiE7 is worse than N815:54
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jacekowskiesspecialy in terms of ebay pricing15:54
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auenfE7 is which form factor?15:54
jacekowskisame as n815:55
jacekowskibut with qwerty keyboard15:55
auenfn8 with keyboard?15:55
jacekowskislightly smaller battery15:55
jacekowskiworse camera15:55
auenfneed more n950 :P15:55
jacekowskii think N8 was more like a toyphone while E7 was business15:55
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auenfn8 was cam centric15:58
auenfe7 was business messaging centric15:58
jacekowskican n8 charge via usb?15:59
auenfit doesnt have 2.5mm iirc16:00
auenfor was it one of the dual charging models :/16:00
jacekowskiit does have16:00
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auenfPower Management16:01
auenf    2.0mm Charger Connector16:01
auenf    USB Charging16:01
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edheldilgrrr, be warned, Password Safe sometimes loses records :(16:08
jipiesewhy are there so many people in here ?16:09
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SpeedEviljipiese: We're all insane.16:13
jipiesebut there usually aren't that many16:14
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SpeedEvilyes there are.16:14
jipiesethis just proves how many times i visit this place16:15
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TomaszDoh my god lcuk is gone?!!! tell me it's a joke16:45
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Robot101TomaszD: unfortunately not16:50
RST38hTomaszD: It is not =(16:52
TomaszDI remember meeting him16:52
TomaszDshowing his quirky liq apps16:52
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jacekowskithat n8 isn't too bad17:00
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ErwinJungeale152: Did you get it to work with vumeter? (what is vumeter?)17:36
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ale152vumeter is the app with the sound command trigger17:37
ale152it should trigger a command on a noise level17:37
ale152but i have problems with root access that gphoto2 seems to require17:37
Sicelocheck out the tee command :/17:40
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Sicelonot sure if it will help .. but notice this -
Siceloit's not related to vumeter, but the principles may work17:42
ErwinJungeale152: Does gphoto2 require root access also without the camera attached for you? Since it doesn't for me.17:44
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ale152only on the n90017:45
ale152if i do "gphoto2" from the terminal, it gaves me "permission denied"17:45
ale152a need to be root17:45
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ale152but on my desktop it doesn't require root access17:46
ale152oh no, it simply says "gphoto2 not found"17:46
Siceloapt-cache gphoto returns nothing for me, with devel enabled17:47
ale152Sicelo, it's not in repository17:48
ale152you have to download from debian source and compile by yourself17:48
ale152ErwinJunge, if i call "/usr/local/bin/gphoto2" it tells me permission denied17:49
ErwinJungeale152: try ls /usr/local/bin/gphoto217:50
ale152uh, solved :D17:50
ale152it was just a permission problem17:50
ErwinJungethat's what I guessed, which is why I asked for the ls :)17:51
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ErwinJungeIf you can get all of this fully working it might be worth it to package this for maemo (since it really requires near zero effort)17:52
ale152i tried to package it, but i can't find dh_make on my scratch box (i installed it after my exam :D)17:53
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ale152hw, now it should work, but i forget h-e-n opened, and my camera killed my battery :(17:54
ErwinJungeSo back to charging again ;)17:54
ErwinJungeI've never packaged anything for maemo, but since the source compiles without change, it shouldn't be too hard (possibly with some help from knowledgeable people in here)17:55
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ale152yes, charging again17:56
ale152i should find a double usb cable, in order to use h-e-n and charge the phone at the same time17:57
ale152ok, let's try wth 10% of battery!17:58
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chem|stbad idea17:59
ale152oh no18:00
ale152it still require root acces to use the camera18:00
ale152it worked! \o/18:02
ale152just running vumeter as root :D18:02
ale152yeah, it's working!18:03
ale152but it has 10 sec of lag!!18:03
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ale152it' a gphoto2 problem, that each time try to connect to the camera and loads its driver18:04
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ale152"This delay is due to the camera loading the meta information of all images on the card. This is mostly unavoidable currently, otherwise we will not really find out the correct path of the captured image. "18:11
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ErwinJungeale152: That sounds like the lag should only be in displaying the image on the phone, not in the actual capture18:13
ale152the lag is between the gphoto2 command and the camera trigger18:14
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ale152ErwinJunge, i managed to reduce it to just 1"18:28
ale152but it's abslolutely impossible to use it for high speed photography :)18:29
ale152i need an external device18:29
ErwinJungeale152: high speed photography? you mean like exploding balloon type thing?18:31
ale152it's very easy with an external sound trigger18:32
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ale152but the n900/sw solution is too slow18:32
ErwinJungeOkropNick: Very interesting development, but has already been discussed here :) see
ErwinJungeWhat kind of camera are you using for this?18:34
OkropNickthanks, I'll check it18:34
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edheldilfor me the "too fast to capture on n900 camera" is my child :(. n900 camer is *so* slow, it takes picture about a second after I push the button18:38
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ErwinJungeedheldil: what ale152 is trying to do is use the n900 as a remote control for an external camera18:42
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DocScrutinizeredheldil: even with pre-focusing?18:52
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DocScrutinizerand yes, I did some gphoto stuff for automated 360° product scans, and it seems gphoto or probably the external cams are really slow regarding triggering via software18:54
DocScrutinizerI guess polling and interpreting the USB interface is not a very high priority task on such a camera18:54
DocScrutinizerlo javis....18:55
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ErwinJungeale152: Really interested in the type of camera you are trying this with :)18:56
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MohammadAGcan someone give me suggestions for something to write on?19:13
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MohammadAGa tablet, with a pen19:13
MohammadAGthe cheaper the better19:13
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fralsMohammadAG: if you find something decent, let me know19:14
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MohammadAGfrals, sure19:15
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MohammadAGI have an LG LT-20 but it's pretty old and run down19:16
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ErwinJungeCheapest tablet with pen you'll find19:24
ErwinJungeGenerally in the $<1 range.19:24
MohammadAGErwinJunge, seriously...19:25
MohammadAGI need it for uni, laptops don't cut it19:25
ErwinJungeMohammadAG: If the smiley wasn't clear enough: j/k :)19:25
ErwinJungeSerious answer: I have no idea19:26
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MohammadAGErwinJunge, I'm gonna need a refund on that second smiley19:26
Sc0rpiuscheap tablets are terrible19:26
Sc0rpiusbut the cheapest I guess it's a Coby Kyros19:26
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ErwinJungeMohammadAG: How do you plan to handle the handwriting --> searchable text part of things?19:30
MohammadAGErwinJunge, right now I'm in prestudies19:30
MohammadAGI'm taking hebrew so I could use it later on19:30
MohammadAGso I need a laptop for google translate and stuff19:30
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MohammadAGI also need a notebook to write on to study for tests and such19:31
MohammadAGswapping between both is annoying, having one on your lap all the time's more annoying19:31
MohammadAGI could just switch windows on a tablet19:31
ErwinJungeMaybe a convertible would be the best solution here?19:31
MohammadAGI don't care what OS it runs, as long as it has firefox + a note taking app19:31
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MohammadAGyeah, one with a digitizer, not a capactive screen19:32
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Sc0rpiusif I were in the University again, I'd still use a normal notebook and a pencil19:40
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MohammadAGSc0rpius, took much swapping19:46
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Sc0rpiusI wonder that if we make a Whatsapp client we'd get sued20:10
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MohammadAGSc0rpius, maybe20:28
MohammadAGbut I'd be happy to assist20:28
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Sc0rpiuswell so far I know they created their own XMPP class called "FunXMPP"20:29
Sc0rpiusalso I know they encrypt strings in the code using XOR with five different integers20:29
Sc0rpiusvery easy to decrypt/simulate20:29
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ErwinJungeSc0rpius: Interesting idea, I'd also be happy to assist21:17
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RST38hMeanwhile: People trying to email information about the Wall Street protests on Monday using Yahoo mail, found themselves on the receiving end of messages from Yahoo claiming 'suspicious activity'.21:19
ErwinJungeRegarding the "getting sued", I've been wondering about this for a while: What if someone anonymously leaked an open source anything that clearly infringes some sort of IP. It'd be impossible to sue, since you wouldn't know who did it. Everyone could still use it, since it's open source.21:20
SpeedEvilBecause it's opensource does not give you the rights to yse it21:20
SpeedEvilyou can't use a patented device for any pactical purpose21:20
SpeedEvilEven a personal one.21:20
ErwinJungeIt'd be impossible to check.21:20
SpeedEvilYou can build it to determie that it works21:20
SpeedEvilWell -yes21:21
ErwinJungeEssentially, there's no one to sue21:21
ErwinJungeThe only downside: You'd never be able to take credit for all your hard work21:21
ErwinJungeCould still be worth it from an "I hate software patents" point of view21:23
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amiconnAfaiu anonymous code can't be open source.21:30
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ErwinJungeamiconn: Why not? If I create a brand new piratebay account and just dump the source there and do both of these things through tor, that's a pretty anonymous open source release.21:32
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amiconnOpen source licenses are still licenses, and only a copyright holder can specify the conditions under which the source code is distributed21:34
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Sc0rpiusthe thing is21:37
Sc0rpiusyou can get the source of Whatsapp21:37
Sc0rpiusor something very similar to it21:37
Sc0rpiuswith DEX2JAR first, and then JD-GUI to decompile it21:37
Sc0rpiusWhatsapp is a little obfuscated but the source is still pretty readable21:37
Sc0rpiusyou can read the whole FunXMPP class21:37
Sc0rpiusand then port it21:37
Sc0rpiusand you'll get sued21:38
Sc0rpiusreverse engineering is a crime or something21:38
amiconnIf you just find some leaked source which doesn't state both the license and the author(s), you can't do anything with it in public21:38
amiconnYes. You can also get the source of something similar windows by feeding it through a disassembler/ decompiler. Same thing.21:39
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amiconn*to windows21:40
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sivanghey all21:42
sivangcould someone please confirm that the signed short (8 bits int) goes from 0 to s^n-1 due to the fact it starts from Zero ?21:42
sivangDocScrutinizer: ^21:43
ErwinJungeamiconn: Just make the code public domain then, no author neccesary.21:43
sivangI am asking why the representation is always 2^n-121:43
ErwinJungesivang: since it's signed, shouldn't it go from -x to +x?21:44
ErwinJungeor -x to +x+121:44
ErwinJungeso in your case, -127 to +12821:45
sivangErwinJunge: oops, unsigned21:45
sivangErwinJunge: Yes, I realize the signed case.21:45
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ErwinJungeSo you want to know why s == 2?21:45
amiconnErwinJunge: True public domain status is not possible in some countries (e.g. Germany and Austria)21:46
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amiconnErwinJunge: Signed char goes from -128 to +12721:46
ErwinJungeamiconn: The whole point is to just anonymously dump the code somewhere in plain sight, so there is no one to sue and everyone has the ability to use it. No laws required.21:46
sivangErwinJunge: well, since the 2^8 = 256, why they say it goes only until 255, e.g. 2^8-121:46
sivangI used to know that, and forgot..21:46
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ErwinJungebecause it starts at 0, like everything should21:47
* sivang needs a new memory module.21:47
amiconnErwinJunge: The point is that if it's anonymous, you cannot verify that you're allowed to use it at all21:47
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sivangErwinJunge: right, as I said up and guessed, so how come I can give an unsigned short = 256; value?21:47
ErwinJungeamiconn: It's impossible to check21:47
amiconnsivang: unsigned short is 16 bit21:48
ErwinJungebecause a short isn't neccesarily 8 bits21:48
sivangah shit21:48
sivangso I will test this on a char,21:48
sivangwhich must be 8 bits.21:48
amiconnOr at least it is on most systems21:48
ErwinJungeagain, not neccesarily 8 bits21:48
amiconnYeah, just on most, as all the other datatypes21:49
sivangon my system it is, how can I check how many bits it uses on my specific platform?21:49
amiconnThere's much fun involved with plain C datatypes ;)21:49
sivangC++ compiler did bale out, thanks for the help ErwinJunge now, it all makes sense.21:49
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ErwinJungeOfficial ANSI C spec: short int <=    int <= long int21:50
sivangamiconn: I know, that is why they star in job interviews and why I am asking :-p21:50
ErwinJungeNotice the "or equal"21:50
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ErwinJungeAnd I keep forgetting the char one, it's either char is 1 byte, or byte is 1 char21:52
sivangErwinJunge: yeah21:52
sivangchar is one byte.21:52
sivangalmost everywhere I saw21:52
amiconnChar can be larger than one byte21:52
sivangapart from on AS400 or so21:52
sivangamiconn: unicode?21:52
sivangamiconn: on unicode supporting systems?21:52
sivanghow then?21:52
ErwinJungeThe point is ofc that 1 byte is not neccesarily the same as 8 bits ;)21:53
sivangso in EBCIDIC21:54
sivanglike on the AS40021:54
sivangwhere a byte is 7 bits21:54
sivangchar!= byte ?21:54
* sivang is confuised21:54
sivangand can't type as well21:54
ErwinJungeYes it is, but then it's a 7 bit datatype :)21:54
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RST38hit is still a byte21:54
ErwinJunge0 to 12721:54
RST38hthe extra bit is used for checksum21:54
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sivangRST38h: in EBCIDIC?21:55
RST38hAnyways, gentlemen, C/C++ char is 1 byte21:55
sivangright! you see :)21:55
RST38hwchar_t is 2 bytes and used for Unicode21:55
ErwinJungeIsn't C lovely? And by lovely I mean a terrible piece of shit with crappy non-portable unreliable type definitions.21:55
RST38hThe difference between char and unsigned char (usually typedefed to "byte") is the sign21:55
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RST38hErwin: C islovely and not a terrible piece of shit21:56
RST38hErwin:It fixes char type size to 1 byte to prevent bozos like you from writing incompatible code21:56
ErwinJungeRST38h: But which defines the other? i.e. is 1 char defined as 1 byte in size, or is the size of a byte defined as the size of 1 char?21:56
RST38hErwin: There is no "byte" type in C standard. There is only "char" type21:56
RST38hErwin: and it has a size of 1 byte.21:57
RST38hErwin: Have you got any further questions to the Captain?21:57
ErwinJungeThe size of types should be defined in bits, not bytes, to avoid confusion :)21:57
sivangRST38h: where is that checksum used? is it in plain char in C/C++ ?21:58
RST38hErwin: Invent a language and define sizes in bits there21:58
RST38hsivang: Checksums are often used for data transmissions over noisy lines21:58
amiconnsizeof(char) <= sizeof(short) <= sizeof(int) <= sizeof(long) <= sizeof(long long)21:59
sivangRST38h: and the AS400 uses that for former modem communication it did?21:59
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RST38hsivang: Of course21:59
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sivangRST38h: even today some banks in Israel use that..21:59
amiconnchar is *at least* 8 bits, short and int are *at least* 16 bits, and long is *at least* 32 bits21:59
amiconnThat's all that's guaranteed21:59
RST38hsivang: Well, Russian banks may still use KOI7 for money transfer messages21:59
sivangRST38h: and that is why EBCIDIC char is 7bits?21:59
sivangRST38h: LOL21:59
* sivang ROTFL21:59
RST38hsivang: It is 7 bits because the previous Baudat code was only 5 bits and could not fit allthe characters22:01
RST38hsivang: Also, Wiki claims that EBCDIC is in fact 8 bits, so they may have expanded it sometime22:01
amiconnAha, posix mandates CHAR_BIT == 8. Otherwise there are several DSPs where CHAR_BIT == 16 or even CHAR_BIT ==3222:02
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sivangRST38h: I see, thanks.22:04
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amiconn<nitpick>Baudot code</nitpick>22:14
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Paliping DocScrutinizer22:29
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jargon-how do i sync the podcasts on my netbook with the gpodder on my n900?22:43
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SpeedEvilI use rsync22:45
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jargon-SpeedEvil: after u copy to your n900 how do u get gpodder to see it?22:51
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SpeedEvilI don't use gpodder22:52
SpeedEvilSorry, I should have been clearer22:53
SpeedEvilI use cuteexplorer, and just click on teh file I want to play22:53
SpeedEvilI should investigate something else - but this works fine for me.22:53
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angelox|laptopHi all23:16
angelox|laptopmy n900 wont boot. I power on it...after some auto-powers off...23:16
angelox|laptop90% of tries it doesn't boot,and 10% it does23:16
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* Sicelo wonders if a corrupt FS could have a hand in that. I would backup first using BackupMenu23:20
* angelox|laptop had already flashed ~3 times and got the same problem every time23:21
angelox|laptopbattery problem maybe?23:22
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Sicelou also should review your dmesg output after boot :/23:23
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angelox|laptopeverything seems normal23:24
angelox|laptopelse some hangs on system showing something like "timeout waiting omap...",don't remember23:24
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Sicelosorry i can't help further. but if your flash went find all these 3 times, i'd suspect hardware .. just my pov23:26
Sicelowhat about overclocking.. was the device ever subjected to it?23:27
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