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ErwinJungeale152: Seems to run here (I'm getting the usage instructions for gphoto2 by running gphoto2)00:09
ErwinJungeAll I did (apart from copying the stuff) was linking libgphoto2 and libgphoto2_port to /usr/lib00:10
ErwinJungeApparently /usr/local/lib is not in the library path...00:10
ErwinJungeDid you try to run it with an actually connected camera? Since that's a bit hard for me to test atm. Did you get the usage instructions by running gphoto2?00:11
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MohammadAGrecompile with --prefix=/usr00:14
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ErwinJungeMohammadAG: the ln thing makes it work, might fix it later :) A better fix would be to put /usr/local/lib in the library path btw. Is that fixable?00:23
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ErwinJungeI'm off to bed, but will read the logs later for your answer :) Byebye00:28
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MohammadAGLD_LIBRARY_PATH I guess00:33
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luke-jrhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/05:13
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luke-jr^ generic SSL crack, not PayPal-specific05:13
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SpeedEvildiginotar?05:15
SpeedEvilOh dear05:16
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SpeedEvilIn principle, the JS can be blocked 'trivally' in a browser patch I suspect05:17
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SpeedEvilhmm05:19
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Gh0stywtf @ that article luke-jr :i05:26
luke-jrwell, I presume the solution is to force TLS 1.1+05:27
luke-jrand everyone upgrades05:27
Gh0stywonder if this is also due to a bug not that long ago ~6 months ago05:27
Gh0stywhich had somewhat similar signature05:27
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Gh0stywas something that allowed man in the middle on ssl05:28
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SpeedEvilI'm unsure on the attack05:30
SpeedEvilIs it the javascript sends lots and lots of packets05:30
SpeedEvilOr is it onw05:30
SpeedEvile05:30
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Gh0styshould read the article more in detail05:31
Gh0stybut just got up from a 3h sleep ... and feeling a bit ill :(05:31
Gh0stygoogling for quick fixes for throat soar :p05:32
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Gh0stydoctor google should have something! :p05:32
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SpeedEvilGh0sty: Gargle with some whiskey.05:35
SpeedEvilHoney and lemon may work05:35
Gh0styyeah I read a lot of lemon and honey05:35
Gh0styand also salt in some water could help05:36
Gh0stynot sure about the whiskey though05:36
Gh0styits 4h30 in the morning here05:36
SpeedEvilOnly 3:30 here05:36
Gh0stystarting the day with a whiskey ... might not be such a good idea :p05:36
Gh0styyou guys never sleep? :p05:36
Gh0styor still awake?05:36
Gh0styor you are vampires: only sleep while there is sun ;)05:37
SpeedEvilI've failed at sleep so far05:37
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Caminomasterhi everyone07:24
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Caminomasterfirst time on this channel, from a N81007:24
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Caminomasteri'm having some troubles about disk space on my 81007:28
Caminomastercould it be solved just moving user folder and mounting point in fstab?07:29
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derfThere's a good chance that would brick your device.07:33
derfAs I suspect the stuff in fstab doesn't get mounted until fairly late in the boot process.07:33
Caminomasterwhat do you mean with brick?07:33
derfAs in you'd have to re-flash.07:33
Caminomasterwhat else can i do?07:34
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Caminomasteri'm having trouble with that base disk full07:34
ShadowJKthe wiki atleast used to have instructions for how to run from mmc or minisd07:35
ShadowJKbut i thought it looked complicated07:35
Caminomasterand I had trouble a time ago, when space has reached 0b and many apps crashed07:35
ShadowJKand I'd have full backups before trying to do the mmcroot thing :s07:36
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Caminomasterhow do you do actually wit it?07:36
Caminomasteri mean, how do anyone of you deal with thah space problem?07:37
ShadowJKyou did move the included video and documentation away from "N810" and to a "memory card", right?07:38
Caminomaster right07:38
Caminomasterbut i think it's not enough, am i wrong?07:39
ShadowJKalso if you've accidentally saved any other files under N81007:39
ShadowJKwell depends what you do07:39
* ShadowJK has about 50-60M free on his N800 and N81007:40
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ShadowJKhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card  What people who needed lots of space in / on N8x0 used to do. Keep in mind if this goes wrong you'll probably have to reflash and lose data..07:42
ShadowJKhuh it refers to a script i dont see anywhere07:43
ShadowJKah it was in the getting tools section, duh07:45
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Caminomasterthat's why i wonder if it's good to move user folder to mmc07:56
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ShadowJKwait, do you have stuff in user folder?08:04
ShadowJKoh, hm08:05
ShadowJKI have like 27M in /home/user myself on N81008:06
ShadowJK6.7M .thumbnails, 4.2M .mozilla, 1.5M .claws-mail, 1.4M .maemo-mapper... lots of small things adding up :/08:07
ShadowJKI do remember copying .thumbnails to memory card on N800, and creating symlink from /home/user/.thumbnails to it08:08
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CaminomasterI'm still thinking that 256MB is small for a device08:31
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Caminomasterhow can I merge contacts in maemo 2008? is to solve the duplicate contacs bug08:35
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slonopotamusoh god, binary distros... build dependency chain: automake -> autoconf -> m4 -> texi2html -> quilt -> hevea -> ocaml-nox. so, suddenly, if one wants to use newer automake package from debian, he needs ocaml08:50
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mece\o09:16
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Estel_morning, Maemo09:49
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JaffaMohammadAG: Is there a nightly for qt-mediaplayer which sits alongside the standard player?11:11
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ruskieI really really wish the alarm on the n900 wouldn't unlock the screen12:10
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MohammadAGJaffa, haven't built nightlies in quite a while12:16
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chem|struskie: +112:34
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jieroAnybody having an brand new idea about map presentation on a paper? Im struggling with the design work due tomorrow, it require a fresh design of a map...12:47
ruskiewouldn't someplace like #osm be a more ideal place for something like this?12:48
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jieroI was thinking about make a screenshot of 3D map application from N90012:50
jierobut I forgot which app have the 3d view...12:50
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ruskienavit?12:50
jieroyes12:51
ruskiethough I don't really see how that is a fresh design12:51
jieroruskie:  sorry, what is joomla.12:51
ruskieerm?12:51
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jieroruskie: you are right, so that is why I ask help for a complete fresh new idea :D12:51
jieroruskie: you direct me to #osm == #joomla12:52
ruskieoh ups12:52
ruskiemaybe wrong network12:52
jieroso what is osm?12:52
ruskieanyway meant openstreetmap12:52
jierook. that probably won't help :D but thanks anyway.12:53
jieroI had an idea now, don't know if its new: I might zoom the map out and leave large space, and put images and info. over there.12:56
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kevin_bHey guys13:26
kevin_btrying a second time to find13:26
kevin_banyone here with a ffmpeg mp3 debian package?13:27
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JaffaMohammadAG: I don't have my development desktop so doing so myself would be tricky :-(13:52
* Jaffa quite fancies the entertainment view13:52
JaffaMohammadAG: I suppose there's no reason the ent. view couldn't also be a standalone app..13:52
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Estel_~seen freemangordon14:00
infobotfreemangordon <55bb2605@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.187.38.5> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 12d 18h 5m 2s ago, saying: 'damn, my English gets worse and worse every day.'.14:00
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infobotfreemangordon_ <~freemango@82.137.72.35> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 12d 17h 36m 32s ago, saying: 'Did I understand correctly that you are not using latest CSSU'.14:00
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infoboti haven't seen 'freemangordon___', Estel_14:01
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infobotqole <~qole@Maemo/community/contributor/qole> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 306d 23h 56m 11s ago, saying: 'lardman, you are here...?'.14:02
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chem|st~flaqshing15:20
chem|st~flashing15:20
infobot[maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware15:20
chem|st~flash15:20
infobotwell, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware15:20
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e0xhello15:49
e0xi get hardware problems in my n900 about not detecting the sim and the error of course about all telephony function disable , if that part of the hardware is broken will imposible to reflash it ?15:50
ruskiehave you tried taking the sim out... and reseating it?15:50
e0xbecause i try and always get ctm fail ( or something )15:50
e0xruskie: hi , yes i try15:51
e0xi almost 100% is hardware issue15:51
e0xi even try with another sim and bend the sim contacts for better contact15:51
e0xwith the sim15:51
e0xi get the cmt flash fail but when i reset the phone ( i just reflash the rootfs ) look like it was done15:52
e0xbecause all settings was gone , even theme set15:52
e0xthe only thing that remain was user data ( photos , contacts , etc )15:53
e0x( i dont flash emmc )15:53
ruskieno clue maybe someone else will have an idea15:54
ruskie~simfix15:54
ruskie~sim15:54
ruskieguess nothing there15:54
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e0xi was hoping a least reflash it and start a project of make my n90015:55
e0xthe car computer15:55
e0xor something15:55
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e0xi already get a temp phone ( nokia 5230 ) till n9 is out :D15:56
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e0xhehe this can't be true : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=818878&postcount=1215:59
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SpeedEvile0x: I would be wary of only a couple of days drying16:01
chem|ste0x: I would flash from scratch, emmc + rootfs16:01
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e0xchem|st: look like the flashing thing using the something of the comunication hardware because16:02
chem|ste0x: from time to time I get that SIM error too16:02
e0xi get the ctm fail when i try flash it16:02
e0xbut even with that fail msg , look like it get flash16:03
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e0xnot sure , when i reboot the phone look like factory reset but the user data still there16:03
chem|stas of this I would do a full flash to have a clean device from scratch16:03
e0x( maybe because i only flash rootfs )16:03
chem|stuserdata is in emmc16:03
e0xo know16:04
e0xi know*16:04
e0x"CMT flashing failed"16:04
e0xthe exacto error i get16:04
chem|stI had a couple of errors after several rootfs flashes, were gone after I flashed vanilla16:04
e0xhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=961659&postcount=38 <--- my exacto situation16:05
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chem|ste0x: cmt not getting flashed is broken hardware yes16:05
e0xexacto/exact16:05
e0xchem|st: yes :(16:06
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e0x*#06# return imei in blank too16:06
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chem|stno device then16:06
chem|stok flashing wont help16:06
chem|stleave the battery out about 15minutes and try again16:07
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chem|stI don't know the exact amount of time to leave the battery out but if the device askes for time/date on startup it was enough16:08
e0xthen that will help16:08
chem|stif I get cmt errors16:08
chem|strebooting doesn't help16:09
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e0xlook like the internal battery of the phone is gone , because all the time i put the battery out it forget the time/date16:09
chem|stremoving the battery for a few 5 minutes does16:09
e0xchem|st:  i try that with not luck16:10
chem|ste0x: did it ask for a time/date setup?16:11
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e0xyes16:11
chem|stok, screwed16:11
e0xyes :(16:11
chem|sttried twice?16:11
e0xi try it a lot of time16:12
chem|stok I would give up after the third16:12
e0xi have a few days with the problem , i even disarm the phone16:12
e0xwell i just separate the screen from the board16:13
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psychologein xcgat19:27
psychologein xchat,,,has some shortcut to change channel?19:29
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DocScrutinizere0x: use global firmware, some localized versions (namely US) are known to sometimes act up on flashing cmt19:30
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scoobertronthis is nitpicking, but is there any way to remove the dropshadow from the text of contacts homescreen buttons?  it is the only text on my homescreen that has it.19:33
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Estel_psychologe, volume buttons in xchat19:56
Estel_You can use them to switch channels.19:56
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Estel_If You got F7 and F8 mapped, You can also use them19:57
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psychologeEstel_, oh,,,,,thank you .....how do you konw that20:00
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RST38hMeanwhile: "In an interview with Forbes Magazine, Neal Stephenson says the 'Metaverse' he created in his seminal novel Snow Crash missed the point  and that video games like World of Warcraft are the true future of cyberspace.20:03
RST38hLOL20:03
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Estel_psychologe,  I just tested in the same moment I started using xchat ;)20:04
Estel_RST38h,  it seems that Neal Stepheson isn't very bright, is he?20:04
RST38hEstel: Dunno, you tell me20:05
psychologeEstel_, ctrl+volume+ can display user list...20:05
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Estel_psychologe,  yea I use different approach - I got user list always enabled, but 'minimized' to edge of the screen.20:14
Estel_for me, the question is how to close channels, when channel list is show as tree. When tabs, You got button 'x' for it, but tree?20:15
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psychologectrl+w20:17
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e0xDocScrutinizer: i use the global one20:23
e0xDocScrutinizer: but thx anyway20:23
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Estel_psychologe,  thanks. Ho ever, i thought about closing from channel list ;)20:23
RST38hGoogle+ users already use Hangouts to create intimate onscreen experienceswith family members, prayer groups, even people with certain medical conditions!20:24
RST38hinsane people can hang out too!20:24
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DocScrutinizere0x: anyway think twice before you go throwing your N900 in the washing machine ;-)20:24
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e0xit work now , i was thinking in make it my car computer20:24
DocScrutinizerpsychologe: with shift + vol- (IIRC) you can even make xchat segfault ;-P20:25
e0xfor my new comming car20:25
DocScrutinizerpsychologe: btw you can learn about keys in xchat settings -> keymappings20:25
DocScrutinizererr settings -> advanced -> kbd-shortcuts ?20:26
DocScrutinizeryeah20:26
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DocScrutinizerF7: Change Page -120:26
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DocScrutinizerF8: Change Page +120:27
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DocScrutinizerF7 / F8 are vol+/- keys20:27
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DocScrutinizerdunno what's F920:27
RST38hF9 is "fast-forward" in my emulators :E20:28
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DocScrutinizermight be menu button on N81020:29
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DocScrutinizeror it's bogus crap not relevant at all for maemo xchat20:29
Estel_I just checked what F9 does20:29
Estel_it causes xchat to segfault ;)20:30
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DocScrutinizer;-P20:30
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DocScrutinizerctrl+VOL- does as well20:31
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DocScrutinizerat least with my special version of keymappings20:32
DocScrutinizerbbl20:33
Estel_what is bbl?20:35
Estel_bye-bye lamers?20:35
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Estel_ok, I know it was cheap sense of humour20:36
psychologeDocScrutinizer, can modify keycodes file ,,let N900 simulation ALT key.20:39
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DocScrutinizer51~bbl20:40
infobotsomebody said bbl was be back later20:40
psychologehehe...20:41
DocScrutinizer51also see20:41
DocScrutinizer51~bbiab20:41
infobotrumour has it, bbiab is be back in a bit20:41
DocScrutinizer51or simply OO20:41
DocScrutinizer51~oo20:41
infobot[oo] normally "object oriented", but lately it's come to mean "Open Office" too20:41
MohammadAGthat's ooo20:42
DocScrutinizer51meh, man talk: over+out20:42
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psychologeinfobot,great20:42
infobotfrom memory, great is cool20:42
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DocScrutinizer51man write actually20:45
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DocScrutinizer51-o = over,   oo = oevr+out20:47
sp3000man hit keyboard20:47
sp3000man liken himself to incredible hulk20:48
DocScrutinizer51man man man20:48
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DocScrutinizer51oo20:48
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merlin1991is there a download able pack of the maemo api docs somewhere?20:57
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psychologei want download also20:58
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merlin1991come on guys we're in #maemo someone gotta have an answer to such a clearly ON topic question :D20:59
Estel_thanks, DocScrutinizer.20:59
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, apt-get install *-doc?21:00
merlin1991I'm searching for a bundle of the html docs21:00
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Estel_psychologe,  AFAIK 'blue arrow' (called wrong way a 'Fn') is exactly alt Gr, i.e. 'right alt'. What You mean by adding additional alt for N900 hardware keymap? Is there any use for it?21:02
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psychologeEstel_, only some time,some program move from PC..21:08
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I think there's a pdf or sth similar, lemme try to find it for you21:17
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: please check for yourself: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation21:19
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DocScrutinizeralso http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/0ea5ec64-2d35-4363-94c0-dd2560c6524b/Get_started_with_Maemo_5.html21:21
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I know the online docs, I'm searching for a downloadable bundle of them21:21
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DocScrutinizerso would you please bother looking at that last link I posted?21:21
merlin1991ah yep didn't see that one :)21:22
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merlin1991thank doc21:22
merlin1991s/thank/thanks/21:22
infobotmerlin1991 meant: thanks doc21:22
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Funnyfacewhich is more CPU efficient of AAC and MP3?21:24
valdynFunnyface: mp421:24
valdynFunnyface: mp321:25
Funnyfacehmm explains why this 40kbit AAC stream drains the battery about as fast as a 128kbit MP3 stream then21:25
Khertan_n950because what s drain battery is the head phone :)21:27
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: http://www.developer.nokia.com/search/search.xhtml?view=ebs&s=fd&tl=0&ob=best&me=false&l=20&expandDoc=false&k=maemo&oldK=maemo21:27
valdynFunnyface: its alot more complex than that, theres no generally correct answer to this21:27
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Funnyfacekhertan_n950: I think my battery drain is the GSM radio :P21:59
Funnyfaceturning down the headphones only helps a little21:59
amiconnHeadphone power consumption is neglectible compared to the rest of the N900 at reasonably sane volume22:01
DocScrutinizerat any volume22:01
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Funnyfaceyeah I was hoping that using the 40kbit AAC steam would make the radio save some power, but it seems that all the power goes into decoding the AAC stream22:13
FunnyfaceI guess there isn't too much to save on a lower bandwidth stream anyway, since the radio is always active anyway22:14
Funnyfacecould be nice to set up a middle box for the stream which sends down the stream in bursts instead of at a steady rate22:14
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Funnyfacemaxing out the bandwidth for a while, then taking a break to let the radio turn off, then send off another burst at full bandwidth22:15
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SpeedEvilFunnyface: probably not22:17
SpeedEvilFunnyface: Unfortunately, on many mobiles, the cost is keeping the CPU alive to stream the data to the DAC22:17
SpeedEvilAnd pulseaudio doesn't help much.22:18
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SpeedEvilI keep meaning to read the datasheet to see how 'off' the SoC can be, while still keeping the DMA core alive to throw data at the DAC22:18
SpeedEvilBut random IRL stuff keeps getting in the way.22:18
derfI've long wanted a music player that decoded the whole thing to RAM up-front and just let the device DMA it out as needed.22:21
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SpeedEvilderf: ""22:22
SpeedEvilderf: That kinda relies on the SoC being able to cheaply keep the DMA unit up while not the CPU22:23
SpeedEvilIt's a pity the techology makes it difficult to integrate a meg or so of RAM on the DAC22:23
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dRbiGhello. i'm looking for a way to sync n900 via bluetooth or the cable with evolution, any ideas? i had some wierd bluetooth error that seems to be not resolved yet, so other suggestions most welcome :)22:26
* Cor-Ai sobes over his broken n90022:31
SpeedEvilCor-Ai: ?How broken?22:32
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Cor-AiSpeedEvil: the micro usb port has fallen of :/22:32
SpeedEvilAh.22:32
Cor-Aisucks..22:33
SpeedEvilWhere are you?22:33
Cor-Aiswe22:33
SpeedEvilAt least in the EU, it's still in warranty.22:33
SpeedEvilThough however now they're not replacing with n900s.22:33
SpeedEvilI wonder if you could ow argue for a n9.22:33
Cor-Aidont want an n922:33
Cor-Aibut i think i can reattach it :)22:34
* SpeedEvil forgets the link.22:36
SpeedEvilCor-Ai: you've done SMD soldering?22:37
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer - what's the reattach link?22:37
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kerioCor-Ai: afaik it's better to get a new microusb port though22:37
SpeedEvilProbably, yes.22:37
kerioif the port fell off the contacts are probably fucked though22:37
kerioso it's going to be a bit harder22:37
SpeedEvilLook closley at the contacts. If the five at the back have no copper on them, it's probably reattachable without too much hastle.22:38
Cor-Aiyeah, but its worth a shoot22:38
SpeedEvilOf the ripped off socket that is22:38
SpeedEvil~usbrepair22:39
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SpeedEvilAnyway.22:40
Cor-Ai:)22:41
DocScrutinizer~usbfix22:41
infobotsomebody said usbfix was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)22:41
SpeedEvilClean off any ripped off pads with the iron. Scrape off some of the soldermask right next to the edges of the port. Solder the edges of the port to that.22:41
SpeedEvilthat, yes22:41
SpeedEvilAfter soldering on the back pins22:41
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Cor-Aiyeah, its nt me that is going to do it, i got a friend that woorks with repering hardwear22:42
DocScrutinizerso print out the whole thread or send him the link above22:44
Cor-Aii will :)22:45
Cor-Aity!22:45
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DocScrutinizerand all cheers to dr_frost for this excellently edited thread23:04
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nilsgehello, n900 here. I have a bluetooth headset and it works perfectly for making calls. But If I want to listen to music mostly the music comes from the speaker, eventhough the phone does show the headphone symbol. I have to reconnect the bluetooth device from 2 to 20 times (until I give up) before I hear the music over my set. How can I find out what is going on here?23:26
nilsgeI have a ssh server running and I am familiar with the command line.23:26
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nilsgeI made a reflash and fresh install to check if any of the headphone daemons or whatever I installed over the time was making problems. Nothing, the same problem right from the start without anything extra installed. (But still normals calls just work fine)23:28
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Macerfinally sent my n900 to my buddy to solder the port back on23:29
SpeedEvilGood luck!23:30
Macerthanks23:31
Macerhe said the pads are good so it shouldnt be too difficult23:32
Macerbut he has a doctorate in electronic engineering so i am sure he can do it way better than i ever could23:32
Macerespecially since he has million dollar equipment to do it with at his job :-)23:33
Maceri would have tried it with a radio shack soldering iron23:33
SpeedEvilIt's fine with that23:33
SpeedEvilAnd skill.23:33
Maceri dont have the skill lol23:33
Macerbut23:33
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Macerhe did show me which port i had to get from digikey23:34
Maceri got 10 lol23:34
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Macerand i asked if he could take pics of the repair23:34
Macerfor the rest of us sorry bastards with broken ports23:34
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