| MohammadAG | no need, there are pocket amps, was just wondering if the N900 would be enough instead of carrying one extra piece of HW :p | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway your pocket amp rarely supports sox 8-) | 00:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer tinks sox >> a suitcase full of effect boxes | 00:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but then again the latency... oh well | 00:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're back to cubase ;-P | 00:04 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just saw your post saying the battery applet wouldn't work if we removed BME and implemented stuff in kernel space, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery :P | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think I said exactly that | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's not about reimplementing a bat applet that ships around broken hal and reads bat status directly from gauge. It's more about reinplementing hald-addon-bme to put the rest of system back to mormal operation | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | breaking hal will break an unknown but huge number of apps in turn | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | so main prerequisite to replace bme is to get a replacement for hal-addon-bme, not to code a new battery applet that can work without hal | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't get me wrong, a working bat applet is a nice thing, for e.g. hostmode. But its purpose to keep system architecture intact is rather limited | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I heard meego has libbme now, which should give quite some clues about how to re-implement for bme replacement all the interfaces that used to talk to bme | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably hal-addon-bme not found there, as meego might have nuked hal, sth we can't reasonably do for maemo | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is the whole crux | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | you are better off to rewrite hal-addon-bme so it talks to gauge directly rather than to bme. Rather than reimplementing all the bits that rely on hal for battery monitoring | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | by following the applet replacement path you end with a system that *looks* like maemo but is completely incompatible in the end | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | we could as well switch to meego then | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact a meego battery-eye would work better on that suggested bme-free architecture than the maemo app of same name | 00:39 |
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| cityLights | hi | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | stskeeps already had written a hald-addon-bme replacement for mer. He might give some hints if he doesn't decide to be a grinch | 00:48 |
| cityLights | can I format my micro sd to ubifs? | 00:48 |
| cityLights | would it be better then ext3? | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | ubifs is designed for raw flash devices. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | The microSD is not a raw flash device. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | It's got a little CPU in it that pretends it's a block device. | 00:49 |
| cityLights | so ext3 is my best option? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually the microSD *might* already use ubifs internally ;-) | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Dunno - just that ubnifs is not an option at all | 00:50 |
| cityLights | o ok | 00:50 |
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| thopiekar | hi .. i've noticed that facebook as a chat account is missing now.. how can i get it back? | 00:58 |
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| thopiekar | btw. got the cssu installed.. | 01:00 |
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| user0 | Hello #maemo | 01:00 |
| Juozapas | how to .mov file in maemo? | 01:02 |
| Juozapas | play* | 01:03 |
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| Hurrian | juozapas: kmplayer | 01:10 |
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| Juozapas | Hurrian: thx, i will try | 01:16 |
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| Hurrian | so apparently, epitaph is still begging for donations for his "tune-up" script\ | 01:17 |
| Hurrian | eh... | 01:18 |
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| Hurrian | anyone notice that the added a few words to the description in the signature? | 01:19 |
| Hurrian | "Nokia N900 Smartphone Performance Efficient Enhance Optimization Tune-Up Utilities" -- sure looks like SEO | 01:20 |
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| MohammadAG | i love people who base their work on others' stuff and ask for donations | 01:21 |
| Hurrian | libgiomm-2.4.so.1.2.0 an other lib*.so | 01:21 |
| Hurrian | OH SHIT NIGGA WHAT ARE YOU DOING | 01:21 |
| Hurrian | they're all *.sh scripts, what the hell is it doing depending on GNOME libraries? | 01:22 |
| Hurrian | 4.0M./opt/n900-tune-up/coreutils-gnu_8.4-2maemo1_armel.deb | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | tf? | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf ?!even | 01:22 |
| Hurrian | it installs coreutils. wtf? | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | paste the scripts I guess | 01:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer digs for his tmo trolls basher hat | 01:23 | |
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| Hurrian | 4.0K./usr/sbin/gainroot | 01:25 |
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| Hurrian | dohoho | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't that the guy who 'invented' mv and ln, or sth along that line and level knowledge? | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | sth like ""chmod +x, secret sauce pro tip"" | 01:26 |
| Hurrian | personally, i find it embarrasing to stomp over package maintainer scripts as seen in tune-up | 01:26 |
| Hurrian | he should've learned regular expressions | 01:26 |
| Hurrian | he's already ripping off code, should'nt be too hard for him to rip Transitions Control | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 01:27 |
| Hurrian | ripping community code and scripts, repackaging as his own | 01:28 |
| Hurrian | also: >I want 5 EUR and you can pay with Paypal. | 01:28 |
| Hurrian | >5 EUR | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | now he's going too far | 01:28 |
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| Hurrian | without that, its technically nagware | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | repackaging things as your won, and then asking for money, that's clearly a ban and bashing | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | got a pointer to the stolen stuff? | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus to original? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I feel temped to do sth about it | 01:30 |
| Hurrian | usr/lib/libmlockall -> mlocker (it's in HIS SIG!) | 01:31 |
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| Hurrian | 8.0K./usr/share/policy/etc/rx51/syspart.conf => http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71115 | 01:31 |
| Hurrian | i'm yet to examine the other scripts | 01:32 |
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| Juozapas | Hurrian: kmplayer doesn't play mov also | 01:44 |
| Hurrian | kden, use handbrake to convert | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it seems texrat is already at it, regarding this "optimizer" | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you mean the web one - or have I come in partway through | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, this luser that claims to optimize your N900 beyond awesomeness, as he learned about how to use busybox cli commands | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | epitaph | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1032281&postcount=343 | 02:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Epitaph, your claims to be a victim ring hollow. I'm not sure what your goal is with this "application" (and I use the term loosely) but it doesn't seem in any way honorable.<< | 02:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | period | 02:31 |
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| nusse | youre stolen 1h of my time by making me read this crappy thread, thank you | 02:35 |
| nusse | s,youre,youve | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, but same here :-) | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I had to go thru the nice thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71115 to finally end up at epitaph's BS | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | but maybe it's been targeted at Hurrian ? ;-D | 02:57 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if it's maybe time to publish a few .deb in tmo, that do *real* stuff, real nasty stuff ;-) | 03:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nagware with a 25min sleep, LAAAAME | 03:01 |
| Hurrian | DocScrutinizer: how is it targeted at me? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | you came up with this dude epitaph :-) | 03:02 |
| Hurrian | ah | 03:02 |
| Hurrian | well, epitaph's been bitching hard in the kernel-bfs thread about cgroups too. | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | abill_uk's son? | 03:03 |
| Hurrian | nah | 03:04 |
| Hurrian | abill_uk never contributed anything useful | 03:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to publish a cracker .deb to rip out the nagware part of epitaph's "optimizer" X-P | 03:04 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: what's epitaph's useful contribution? | 03:05 |
| Hurrian | his older posts were less... clueless and inflammatory | 03:05 |
| * Hurrian ponders to publish a Super Tools DEB - 300MB, and all it does is increment every osso- app by 999 versions | 03:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I think his very first posts were along the line of "secret sauce tip: use chmod +x to make your scripts start without <whatvere nonsense>" | 03:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and iirc even that had ome bug in it | 03:08 |
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| Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1032329#post1032329 | 03:08 |
| Hurrian | for the 9000'th time | 03:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, you won't trap me again ;-D | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuf of tmo for today | 03:09 |
| Hurrian | so many people are clamoring for nitdroid D: | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmo is like salt, or arsenic: you mustn't take too much of it a day | 03:10 |
| Hurrian | it's more like arsenic, that place is TOXIC | 03:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | poor fools, didn't they see they'd get a better droid phone when buying a device that's made for and shipped with genuine andridiot? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 03:12 |
| infobot | hmm... tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo | 03:12 |
| Hurrian | actually, s/Maemo/iOS/g s/N900/iPhone 4/g s/N810/iPod Touch/g the past 2 years and it looks EXACTLY like "the other forums" | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I liked the former def better | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | which was like "trolls, morons, <forgot>" | 03:13 |
| Hurrian | whatever happened to the community being solely focused on maemo+device? | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno, many gave up on the trolls flooding the place | 03:14 |
| Hurrian | the newer members seem to be... a lot more "enthusiastic" for the HEs on the N900 | 03:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | HE? | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hacker editions? which would imply a lot of those lusers consider themselves to be hackers | 03:16 |
| Hurrian | hacker editions for the older devices, Community Editions/Developer Editons for the N900 | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | a scary idea | 03:16 |
| Hurrian | such as MeeGo and Android | 03:16 |
| Hurrian | hopefully the same users wont get too bitchy over Cordia+MeeGo | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares about meego, really? | 03:17 |
| Hurrian | ...OMG UNOFFICIAL OPEN SOFTWARE DEVELOPED ON WONKY CLOSED SOURCE SOFTWARE HAS A SHITLOAD OF BUGS | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually can't see any benefit from meego-arm for the average user, neither instanly nor long term | 03:17 |
| Hurrian | Doc: there won't be any benefit from running MeeGo as long as it's /that/ slow on the N900 | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | it won't, nah CAN NOT get faster than maemo is | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | so where's the benefit, again? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego been meant to kick off the future generation of linux devices from Nokia. Evidently there's no such thing like a future linux phone series | 03:20 |
| Hurrian | working vsync (works by wsegl flag though...), btrfs root (a lot faster than ext4 root on the N900) and 2.6.37 (hey, it's a newer kernel! we | 03:21 |
| Hurrian | *we're no longer restricted to the ancient 2.6.28 | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | the whole purpose of meego-arm is a mere self-preservation and continuing useless work to not have to face it's useless | 03:21 |
| Hurrian | Doc: and MeeGo seems to be preinstalled mostly on x86 tablets. | 03:22 |
| NIN101 | I find this kubuntu stuff very interesting. They are targeting now telephony functions for 11.10. Definitly will keep an eye on that, however, I think they will "steel" most stuff from meego, but anyway. | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | couldn't care less, really | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't think of a single itsy bit that meego would allow me to do on N900, which I can't do today | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | au contraire | 03:23 |
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| NIN101 | I can not understand why meego it's so much ram. | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | it absolutely academic | 03:24 |
| NIN101 | *eats | 03:24 |
| nox- | NIN101, bloat? | 03:24 |
| Hurrian | NIN101: because of MeeGo Handset UX | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | qt-err-foo | 03:24 |
| NIN101 | yes of course, but damn... | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | this js-fake thing | 03:25 |
| NIN101 | QML? | 03:25 |
| nox- | ooh | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:25 |
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| nox- | :/ | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | once again: designed and tailored for laptops, not for embedded | 03:25 |
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| Hurrian | honestly, if anyone wanted a big system upgrade, it would be a rebuilt meego-adaptation-n900 system | 03:28 |
| Hurrian | none of that RPM nonsense | 03:28 |
| Hurrian | DEB packaging, hildon desktop+matchbox | 03:28 |
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| rm_you | i still don't understand the switch to RPM | 03:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm quite ignorant about the packaging. Ideally I never touch it anyway, so who gives a f* if it's *.deb or *.rpm? | 03:30 |
| rm_you | it's like driving a BMW for a few years and then deciding "yeah, that's all nice and good, but i'd much rather be driving a ford focus" | 03:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pff | 03:30 |
| rm_you | then again people's decisions never really make sense | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Only insane wack-jobs care about package management format. | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I simply say you ideally don't even know what's your package management called | 03:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It's fundamentally not an important part of the OS. | 03:31 |
| rm_you | i'm just wondering "why bother switching to something worse"? | 03:31 |
| Hurrian | speedevil: you mean package signing and verification aren't important? | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: +++ | 03:32 |
| rm_you | waste a bunch of resources and investment on a non-improvement | 03:32 |
| Hurrian | it's a large reason of why i stopped using arch | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Hurrian: In some cases, no. | 03:32 |
| NIN101 | it's THE reason why I don't use arch | 03:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Signing is rather unimpiortant if you get your packages over https - for example | 03:32 |
| NIN101 | yes, but what I hack the server? | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and BMW is using shock absorbers that are painted blue, that's why I never ride a BMW | 03:33 |
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| HtheB | yo | 03:34 |
| HtheB | sup | 03:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | letting aside signing is a part of RPM as well, why would you care? is it *you* to worry about how _maintainers_ get their shit together? | 03:34 |
| HtheB | does anyone use NITDroid on eMMC? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | *BURP* | 03:35 |
| Hurrian | HtheB, i used to, but NITDroid burns my hand. | 03:35 |
| HtheB | why? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, a good question :-P | 03:36 |
| HtheB | did you use N12? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | asked best in #nitdroid | 03:36 |
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| HtheB | (everybody on #nitdroid is sleeping, so... dont blame me :P) | 03:36 |
| Hurrian | it seems to be working on some high frequency all the time and on stock voltage | 03:36 |
| HtheB | Hurrian: not on the latest versions | 03:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | those fools even OC by default | 03:36 |
| HtheB | but somehow, when I install the kernel, I cant boot up any OS anymore | 03:36 |
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| HtheB | I always end up with flashing the N900 | 03:37 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: no, you CAN oc it, it isn't on by default | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, now you know why there's that part in /topic | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 03:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | been told differently | 03:38 |
| HtheB | :D ahah | 03:38 |
| HtheB | neh, the problem is that my old phone didnt had such problem | 03:38 |
| Hurrian | HtheB: read /topic, follow directions | 03:38 |
| HtheB | I got a new one | 03:38 |
| HtheB | maybe new hardware rev? | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 03:38 |
| HtheB | (later version? ) | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 03:38 |
| HtheB | can you also say "yes"? | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 03:39 |
| HtheB | :D heh | 03:39 |
| HtheB | stupid kernel panics | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly it's somehow annoying when you get roughly equal amounts of users hyping here how awesome alternative OS XY, and others whining here how much it sucks and breaks the device. And both completely unrelated to maemo | 03:41 |
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| HtheB | yeah | 03:42 |
| HtheB | I know | 03:42 |
| HtheB | though I dont wine about sucking or something like that xD | 03:43 |
| HtheB | I just wanted to ask if someone has any experience about the latest kernels | 03:43 |
| HtheB | since somehow it didnt work on my (new) N900 | 03:43 |
| HtheB | mine broke some time ago, brought it to nokia | 03:43 |
| HtheB | they sent me a phone back..... | 03:44 |
| HtheB | Guess which one .... -_- | 03:44 |
| NIN101 | E7 | 03:44 |
| HtheB | no | 03:44 |
| HtheB | N8 ¬¬ | 03:44 |
| HtheB | I went mad | 03:44 |
| nox- | ewww | 03:44 |
| NIN101 | Mine is in repair somewhere, I hope it does not happen to me :/ | 03:45 |
| HtheB | told them that IF they were going to replace my phone, that I want the E7 | 03:45 |
| HtheB | after some arguing, they accepted it | 03:45 |
| HtheB | they will send me an E7 | 03:45 |
| HtheB | though, I'm going to sell it :P Since I already bought a NEW N900 in the shop where I work | 03:45 |
| HtheB | We still have a couple of them left | 03:45 |
| NIN101 | If I get something different than N900, I'm going to sell it and buy a new one. | 03:45 |
| HtheB | (bought it for €255) | 03:45 |
| HtheB | NIN101: im sure u will get a different phone | 03:46 |
| HtheB | what was broken? | 03:46 |
| HtheB | the USB? | 03:46 |
| NIN101 | yep | 03:46 |
| HtheB | u get a different device... | 03:46 |
| HtheB | 100% | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems Nokia redefined N900 as broken-by-design and is basically doing a global swap | 03:47 |
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| HtheB | yeah | 03:47 |
| HtheB | why does the usb broke any way? | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | a pity, for sure also thanks to OCers | 03:48 |
| Hurrian | Doc: unsurprising, they evidently barely spent any money on hardware quality control | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 03:48 |
| HtheB | I didnt see any other device where the USB broke off o_O | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's a design flaw | 03:49 |
| HtheB | isnt it just the same? | 03:49 |
| HtheB | i mean, just put some more iron on it lol | 03:49 |
| HtheB | so it will stick for a longer time :P | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably paired with MP issues causing some components not 100% correctly soldered | 03:49 |
| Hurrian | not iron, lead+silver | 03:49 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 03:50 |
| HtheB | I think I might even buy a new N900 :( | 03:50 |
| HtheB | Just in case something happens to my N900 now | 03:50 |
| HtheB | I dont want to have it swapped again :( | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I might try to find the money to get me another 1 or 2 spare | 03:50 |
| Hurrian | HtheB, can't you just have it repaired? | 03:50 |
| HtheB | Hurrian: they wont | 03:50 |
| Hurrian | or before it breaks, fix the dry joint | 03:51 |
| Hurrian | yourself | 03:51 |
| HtheB | That could be an option | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | a reasonable suggestion | 03:51 |
| nox- | thats too bad, i like the n900... | 03:51 |
| Hurrian | desolder, resolder with 100% lead, solder to ground plane | 03:51 |
| Hurrian | in fact, why not replace with with a microusb-AB port and fix it | 03:51 |
| HtheB | though, if I can buy a NEW N900 for €255, and get a swap for E7 (new price €600), then... I can sell the E7 for like €450 | 03:52 |
| rm_you | DocScrutinizer: sorry, disappeared for a sec, but YES it matters to me, as I *am* a package maintainer | 03:52 |
| nox- | (and am not about to solder that delicate parts... :) | 03:52 |
| rm_you | I am (or was) a Maemo/Meego Developer | 03:52 |
| HtheB | which means I can make some profit :p | 03:52 |
| rm_you | not just some user | 03:52 |
| HtheB | and buy a new n900 lol | 03:52 |
| rm_you | and having experience with both Deb and RPM, I can confidently tell you my opinion all day long about which one is superior >_> but it'd be a waste of breath | 03:53 |
| rm_you | or, a waste of finger movement, in this case | 03:53 |
| HtheB | Hurrian: you mean the on like on the N8? | 03:53 |
| Hurrian | yes. | 03:53 |
| Hurrian | instead of using a female-female adapter, you just have to use the Nokia OTG cable | 03:54 |
| Hurrian | saves a bit of spage | 03:54 |
| Hurrian | *space | 03:54 |
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| Hurrian | then i guess you'll just have to use a tiny dremel head to carve the rectangle in the N900's shell | 03:55 |
| HtheB | hmm | 03:55 |
| loft306 | heh | 03:56 |
| HtheB | well, since my n900 is still intact, lets have it this way :P | 03:57 |
| Hurrian | on a side note, i'm working on a way to have the entire thing white | 03:58 |
| HtheB | white? | 03:58 |
| Hurrian | a white N900. | 03:58 |
| HtheB | nice :D | 03:58 |
| Hurrian | which leaves the problem, i'll need to somehow paint the digitizer | 03:58 |
| HtheB | well, if you leave it black, it will be like the Samsung Galaxy S | 03:58 |
| * Hurrian thinks decals | 03:58 | |
| HtheB | sometimes white sux, | 03:59 |
| * HtheB pukes when he thinks about the icrap 4 white | 03:59 | |
| Hurrian | HtheB: the white iP4 is actually thicker, due to the UV penentrating the phone | 03:59 |
| Hurrian | i lol'd | 03:59 |
| HtheB | yeah | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: HtheB: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 | 04:00 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: :D | 04:00 |
| HtheB | Exactly what I mean :D | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: ^^^ | 04:00 |
| HtheB | if they just do it like that at the Nokia repair center.... they would survive the usb connector breaking thing | 04:01 |
| Hurrian | HtheB: it's not in the service manual, they probably wont do it | 04:01 |
| HtheB | lol | 04:01 |
| rm_you | lcuk: lol you found me | 04:01 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: I lol'd about this: Advice . protect camera lens when solder | 04:01 |
| HtheB | I think he pwnd his own camera lens | 04:02 |
| Hurrian | you're actually supposed to remove the camera when working on the board | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, never heard about that | 04:04 |
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| Hurrian | docscrutinizer, lv1+2 service manuals | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's indeed a good idea to think of soldering on those small devices like an operation and cover the complete irrelevant area with some protective material | 04:06 |
| Hurrian | however, us mere mortals don't have the camera removal tool | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 04:06 |
| nox- | :/ | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never seen they recommend to always remove the cam module though | 04:06 |
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| Hurrian | given the proximity, it'd probably be best to remove it | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc it's just mentioned as one step of a complete disassembly of the device, which doesn't mean you always need to do it | 04:07 |
| HtheB | why do u need to remove the camera completely? | 04:08 |
| HtheB | will it burn? | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 04:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer wouldn't | 04:08 | |
| ketas | burn it | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd do it when using hot air gun though | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | or IR preheating | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | for fixing USB I definitely would want to save the connector from a mating cycle | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | just covering the lens seems enough | 04:10 |
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| HtheB | anyone did the battery mod? | 04:18 |
| HtheB | accourding to the website, they already sold 340 batteries | 04:21 |
| HtheB | so around 170 people are doing the mod :P | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | There are reportedly cells that fit in the n900 and get 1600mAh | 04:22 |
| SpeedEvil | As in I know someone that's measured the capacity | 04:22 |
| HtheB | which batt? | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget the details | 04:23 |
| HtheB | someone is doing some tests, and the best that he found (yet) was 1510 | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Will ask tomorrow | 04:23 |
| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 | 04:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it was from that thread - friend ordered - and got one that gives 1590 on the first couple of cycles | 04:24 |
| HtheB | hmmm | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | 3 cheers for tmo awesomeness to drop pictures as they are only external links and prone to vanish with original URL going down | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-((( | 04:25 |
| HtheB | http://cgi.ebay.com/2-x-Battery-BL-5J-BL5J-Nokia-5800-5230-N900-X6-GIF-/170545202999?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27b5494737 | 04:26 |
| HtheB | lol | 04:26 |
| HtheB | 1820mah my ass | 04:27 |
| HtheB | Hurrian: http://www.ofroj.com/wp-content/uploads/classipress/for-sellnokia-n97-32-785399444.png | 04:28 |
| HtheB | Hurrian: also this http://cdn1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/199/845/700/rfld.jpg | 04:29 |
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| HtheB | White n900 | 04:32 |
| HtheB | or how about a GOLD n900? http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N900-N-900-Housing-Case-Cover-Stylus-Gold-/170629661144?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item27ba5201d8 | 04:34 |
| Hurrian | why not make it out of real gold? | 04:35 |
| HtheB | . . . . | 04:36 |
| HtheB | if I was rich :( | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | poor antenna performance - but oh well, those who want to cary a N900 made of gold probably never need to actually use it | 04:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Gold is also heavy | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Carbon fibre would at least have some virtues. | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | could probably knock 10 grams off the weight | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter, a pakistany gets paid for sole purpose to carry it the whole day ;-P | 04:38 |
| HtheB | lol | 04:39 |
| HtheB | nokia is going to make use of a new material | 04:39 |
| HtheB | the one they found a couple years ago | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | have you ever heard somebody complaining about weight of his Rolex, or about it not being accurate ;-D | 04:39 |
| HtheB | lol | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | it probably wouldn't matter if it doesn't run at all | 04:40 |
| HtheB | Nokia will use Graphene | 04:41 |
| HtheB | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/14/graphene-nokias-future-super-material/ | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | omfg | 04:41 |
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| HtheB | While being thin, it’s the strongest material ever tested, having a breaking strength 300 times greater than steel and is also the lightest material ever, best intrinsic conductor and super-flexible, too. | 04:42 |
| HtheB | Graphene was found by a dutch guy who won a nobel prize for finding this out | 04:42 |
| HtheB | (inventing it) | 04:43 |
| HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX-gTobCJHs#at=18 | 04:43 |
| HtheB | interesting demo video | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Amorphous metal casings are actually plausible | 04:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'metallic glass' | 04:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A new process has been worked out where you melt the metallic glass with a massive pulse of electricity, then form it in a few milliseconds | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | So it's not hot long enough to recrystalise. | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | graphene bla blah, roll up display, roll up battery, bla blah blah.... | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pfff | 04:46 |
| HtheB | :D | 04:48 |
| HtheB | :D | 04:48 |
| HtheB | if nokia uses this, its just.... "normal" | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I see how you heat the stuff up in microseconds, given you got Thor himself on your side, but how the hell are you cooling it similarly fast? | 04:48 |
| HtheB | if apple use this, it's a NEW REVOLUTION.... | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - Nokia is working on the roll-up (and blow away) company | 04:48 |
| HtheB | =_= | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Smack it with two bits of metal | 04:48 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Which are chilled | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah, ok | 04:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Only works for thin sections of course - but that's ideal for things like phone cases | 04:49 |
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| * HtheB is going away! | 04:50 | |
| * SpeedEvil farted. | 04:50 | |
| * user0 looks around | 04:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: you can't build roll up LiIon today, not with graphene and not with 100 times the power / volume | 04:50 |
| * HtheB dies | 04:50 | |
| HtheB | im not a scientist so, I donno :P | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: you also have a hard time building roll up LCD displays | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Roll up LCD is easy. | 04:51 |
| HtheB | they can already do that DocScrutinizer ;) | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even for OLED it's hard | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | (though a bit crunchy) | 04:51 |
| HtheB | samsung made it already | 04:52 |
| user0 | DocScrutinizer : flashing doesnt seeem to remove the lock code at boot | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: citation needed - I dare to not believe that | 04:52 |
| user0 | i tested it for you last time | 04:52 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: ok hang on :) | 04:52 |
| HtheB | user0: it can :) just be sure you flash the emmc first | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | user0: yeah, we had a bit of problems to decrypt your 4 line report | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: what's that now with flashing eMC first? | 04:53 |
| user0 | DocScrutinizer : wasnt sure if you read what i typed last time | 04:53 |
| user0 | the room was like some bot idling lobby last time | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're the first one to claim it depends on eMMC flashing done first | 04:54 |
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| user0 | DocScrutinizer: so what wasnt clear about my "4 line report" ? | 04:54 |
| HtheB | DocScrutinizer: well... the lock code should go after normal flashing | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | alost everything :-D | 04:54 |
| user0 | :D | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: listen and learn | 04:54 |
| HtheB | ._. | 04:54 |
| HtheB | it's always better if u flash the emmc too :P | 04:54 |
| HtheB | lol | 04:54 |
| HtheB | anyway | 04:54 |
| HtheB | http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-05-foldable-crease.html | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | user0: you said you got a device - same one or new one? | 04:55 |
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| user0 | same one | 04:55 |
| HtheB | http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagenormal/1305278052.jpeg | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 04:55 |
| user0 | it wasnt asking for a code at boot after they sent it back | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | HtheB: pff, amoled | 04:56 |
| HtheB | >.> | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, so you john'd the lock code? | 04:56 |
| HtheB | much better then lcd if u ask me | 04:56 |
| user0 | yes | 04:56 |
| user0 | then i changed it, and flashed the device | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you reflashed | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | what exactly? | 04:56 |
| user0 | rootfs | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 04:57 |
| user0 | so...it still asked for a code | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | what happened? | 04:57 |
| user0 | only this time i knew it | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you had to disable it then, or did it magically stop to ask for lock code after first boot? | 04:58 |
| user0 | maybe its just my device, i dont know | 04:58 |
| user0 | it was disabled | 04:58 |
| user0 | it just asked for the lock code after flashing the device | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | though you enabled it prior to flashing, I suppose | 04:59 |
| user0 | didnt ask for any lock code after that | 04:59 |
| user0 | nope | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, you changed the lock code, but didn't actually enable it? | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | "ask for lock code on boot" or whatever | 05:00 |
| HtheB | yaaay, Fallout on N900 ! | 05:00 |
| user0 | correct | 05:00 |
| user0 | i just changed it and left it disabled | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | user0: what's been the image you flashed? | 05:00 |
| user0 | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | WEIRD story, WEIRD | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean how many users changed they lockcode, then disabled it and reflashed rootfs. No such report ever before | 05:02 |
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| user0 | well its working perfectly atm | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you repeated the procedure to test if it is reproducable for you (your device)? | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also, would you mind to send me a dd copy of your mtd1? | 05:04 |
| user0 | yes | 05:04 |
| user0 | a few you times actually | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry? | 05:05 |
| user0 | yes i flashed it more than once to see if it still asked for a lock code | 05:06 |
| user0 | and let me check the size of that file you're asking about | 05:06 |
| HtheB | what kind of a lock code? | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and did it same weird thing second time you flash? | 05:06 |
| user0 | the connection here sucks | 05:06 |
| user0 | yes | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | WEIIIIRD | 05:06 |
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| user0 | wasnt surprised when weird stuff started happening | 05:08 |
| user0 | it got the device for a low price | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | 393216 Bytes (393 kB) | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | says dd | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | dd if=dev/mtd1 od=whatever | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | of= even | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though: | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat /proc/mtd |grep conf | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | mtd1: 00060000 00020000 "config" | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | size: 00060000 whatever that means | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~6 * 65535 | 05:12 |
| infobot | 393210 | 05:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 05:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~6 * 65536 | 05:13 |
| infobot | 393216 | 05:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so NOLO is 'only' 100k size | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 05:14 |
| user0 | DocScrutinizer : what info does this file contain ? | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | locale, serial#, IMEI(?), some bme cruft, hw revision, WLAN bands allowed (US/EU/WORLD...) | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not angry if you don't feel like sending it to me, thoughI think the risk is low | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | however I'd suggest not to pusblish it to the world | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 05:17 |
| user0 | :D | 05:17 |
| user0 | problem is the file's not plain text :P | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, indeed | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can attach to a mail nevertheless, just like you'd do with a photo | 05:18 |
| user0 | more weird stuff btw :P | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you just need to create a true file out of the /dev/mtd1, by using dd | 05:19 |
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| user0 | the date and time went back to 6am 2009 after keeping it off for a few hours | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | normal | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | means your backup button cell is as wrecked as anybody else's | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it'd be surprising if it were *not* | 05:21 |
| HtheB | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noe3kR8KqJc | 05:21 |
| HtheB | lol | 05:21 |
| user0 | you know when you remove the battery theres this sticker with some info about the phone | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 05:21 |
| user0 | it had "made in finland" | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, one of the early ones | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | might explain something | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe you got a pre-summit device | 05:22 |
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| user0 | it seemed as if that sticker has another sticker under it | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | they allegedly are "different" | 05:22 |
| Hurrian | cat /proc/cpuinfo now :) | 05:23 |
| user0 | so i removed the first one slowly and indeed there was another sticker under it | 05:23 |
| user0 | with "made in korea" | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | now WTF? | 05:23 |
| user0 | lol | 05:23 |
| Hurrian | someone trolled you, nokia service centers are supposed to take that off | 05:23 |
| HtheB | fail | 05:24 |
| Hurrian | eh, they take it off if they need to replace it | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep evis | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | CPU revision : 3 | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Revision : 2101 | 05:24 |
| user0 | referbished device ? | 05:24 |
| Hurrian | apprently that's the water ingress label | 05:24 |
| HtheB | anyway, im going to sleep :) nite all | 05:24 |
| HtheB | its almost 4.30 over here :( | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | user0: possibly | 05:25 |
| HtheB | good night | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user0: might have seen a mainboard swap | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually it'd be interesting to ask other users that got a PCB swap for fixing USB | 05:27 |
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| user0 | DocScrutinizer : the correct IMEI is on the one under btw | 05:32 |
| SpeedEvil | They can copy the IMEI | 05:33 |
| user0 | the first sticker has an imei that doesnt even work on nokia's site | 05:34 |
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| user0 | the one under does and is the correct imei of the device | 05:34 |
| user0 | weird shit indeed :P | 05:35 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes he could alter the IMEI | 05:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | weird weird weird | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's a professionally stolen device? | 05:37 |
| user0 | thats what i was thinking | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they nessed up / ruined something on unlocking it | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | how did you query the real IMEI? | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~#06#? | 05:38 |
| user0 | settings | 05:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | try *#06# in dialer please | 05:39 |
| user0 | same thing | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /dev/mtd1 |strings ;#<<funny | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | might give some clues what happened with that device... | 05:44 |
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| user0 | command's giving an error | 05:52 |
| user0 | or im just too sleepy to even type it correctly | 05:52 |
| user0 | anyways i'll be back tomorrow | 05:52 |
| user0 | g'night | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yo | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | strings missing, binutils not installed | 06:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses apt | 06:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | After this operation, 77,8kB of additional disk space will be used. | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsckng python eating ~50MB of my rootspace | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc why | 06:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not really, those friggin bindmounts are virtually invisible | 07:02 |
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| Hurrian | DS: pymaemo-optify? | 07:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-20 05:58:24] <DocScrutinizer> E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/. | 07:08 |
| Hurrian | D: | 07:09 |
| Hurrian | df -h / | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 158728 /usr/lib | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 272416 /usr | 07:09 |
| Hurrian | mkdir ~/tempshit | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | df -xk|sort -n | 07:09 |
| Hurrian | # mount -o bind /var/cache/apt/archives /home/user/tempshit | 07:09 |
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| Hurrian | which reminds me, i have a ton of mountpoints on my desktop system | 07:10 |
| Hurrian | i'm going to roll it all back into a large ext4 one of these days | 07:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer wants to shoot hostmode-gui: Depends: kernel-feature-usbhost with a huuuuge gun | 07:11 | |
| Hurrian | >kernel-feature-usbhost | 07:11 |
| Hurrian | add it to the provides of a kernel package then | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah hahaha | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I have a kernel installed that does *not* provide this crap. I'm not as convinced of this little sucker as I've been before | 07:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't I tell apt to ignore this shit? | 07:13 |
| Hurrian | --force ? | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems doesn't really help | 07:13 |
| Hurrian | wget the deb, dpkg -i --force-all package.deb | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, the problem is I already *have* the package | 07:14 |
| Hurrian | brb | 07:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | worst hogs not even tackled: microb and locale | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | 22236 /usr/lib/microb-engine | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | 14200 /usr/share/microb-engine | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | 29068 /usr/lib/locale | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | makes for >60MB in my book | 07:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, my first linux system had a HDD of less than that size | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | (not been a high end box back when) | 07:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders idly why microb can't get properly optified | 07:34 | |
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| jiero | hi, is there anybody run python game, pygame? | 08:45 |
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| lolcat | Is nokia N9 announced yet? | 09:17 |
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| ruskie | from what I can tell supposedly the announce should ahppen tomorrow | 09:17 |
| ruskie | Nokia to announce a "market disrupting device” the "N9" on 21,June | 09:17 |
| lolcat | Doh | 09:19 |
| lolcat | Early tomorrow? | 09:19 |
| lolcat | I am like a junkie for N9, I just have to have it | 09:19 |
| lolcat | that and asus eee pad transformer | 09:19 |
| lolcat | ruskie: Think it will be decent? | 09:21 |
| * dm8tbr wonders how a maemo device is supposed to be a market disruption... | 09:21 | |
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| lolcat | dm8tbr: Maybe so crap that people will stop using phones alltogether | 09:23 |
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| nok_fan | hi all.. i have an n900 and this is my problem. i have a wireless ad hoc on the computer sharing an internet connection. my n900 connects to this network, however internet isn't there.. by that i mean that when i open the browser, it says microb cannoot connect to the server.. HELP! | 09:27 |
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| ruskie | lolcat, wouldn't know... I plan on getting it on contract from the cellco | 09:32 |
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| nok_fan | hi all.. i have an n900 and this is my problem. i have a wireless ad hoc on the computer sharing an internet connection. my n900 connects to this network, however internet isn't there.. by that i mean that when i open the browser, it says microb cannoot connect to the server.. HELP! | 09:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | annoying like every junkie ;-) | 09:36 |
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| lolcat | nok_fan: Don't repeat | 09:38 |
| lolcat | ruskie: So you will get it | 09:38 |
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| nok_fan | lolcat: when am i likely to get a reply? | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | nok_fan: problem of you rPC config | 09:38 |
| lolcat | nok_fan: Somewhere around 5th of August | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ask | 09:39 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 09:39 |
| infobot | question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 09:39 |
| nok_fan | DocScrutinizer how do i go about changing my rPC config | 09:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | nok_fan: have you tried this internet-sharing with any other wireless client device? | 09:41 |
| ruskie | lolcat, yup I will | 09:41 |
| nok_fan | no i haven't.. it has worked before. bu tit's not working now | 09:41 |
| ruskie | lolcat, not sure if I will use it though | 09:41 |
| nok_fan | *but it | 09:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | nok_fan: sorry, no idea. Depends on what's your PC's OS. I assume that'S windows, and I guess there are not that many users here that can help on that | 09:42 |
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| lolcat | infobot: I am here by force | 09:42 |
| infobot | it is my pleasure to meet you, here by force | 09:42 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: have you tried connecting to an IP? | 09:42 |
| nok_fan | DocScrutinizer: yes it's windows 7. | 09:43 |
| nok_fan | gomiam: no i haven't | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, why did I know? ;-D | 09:43 |
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| gomiam | instead of connecting to, for example, http://www.rediris.es/, try to connect to http:/130.206.1.46/ | 09:43 |
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| gomiam | ouch | 09:43 |
| gomiam | http://130.206.1.46/ | 09:44 |
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| nok_fan | ok | 09:44 |
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| gomiam | if it connects then you have a name resolution problem. If it doesn't it is probably a routing problem | 09:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer starts to charge his special avahi gun | 09:45 | |
| gomiam | (all this under the assumption you are getting a valid IP) | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is just another question for ad-hoc | 09:45 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: I guess you have your PC set to Internet Connection Sharing, right? | 09:45 |
| nok_fan | yes | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | which awakens all the windows gremlins | 09:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 09:46 |
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| nok_fan | it's a WEP network on my pc | 09:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests ifconfig | 09:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and route | 09:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and ping <other-PC> | 09:47 |
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| gomiam | nok_fan: mmm... one thing has nothing to do with the other. You can have a WEP ad hoc connection but if you haven't set the Windows PC to share its Internet connection with the ad hoc network you won't get anywhere | 09:48 |
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| nok_fan | i have set it to share the internet connection.. | 09:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't there this mad like batshit protocol where windows PCs are just grabbing a probably free IP, without any dhcp server involved? | 09:49 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: you mean Bonjour... or autoDHCP | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 09:49 |
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| gomiam | yes, they get IPs on the 169.254.*.* range, but I don't really like those kinds of things. It was what I was going to ask nok_fan to check right now :) | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka avahi >:-( | 09:50 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: please press Windows+R, type CMD and press "Accept" | 09:50 |
| nok_fan | and then type ipconfig? | 09:51 |
| gomiam | right | 09:51 |
| gomiam | XD | 09:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka Zeroconf | 09:51 |
| gomiam | just to make sure the ad hoc interface is set to 192.168.0.1 | 09:51 |
| gomiam | which is the usual DHCP server IP address when using a Windows PC to share its connection | 09:51 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests to press ctl-shift-x, root, ifconfig | 09:52 | |
| nok_fan | naa it's set to 192.168.137.1 | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | but wait, no rootsh installed :-/ | 09:52 |
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| nok_fan | i've installed rootsh | 09:52 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: I guess they changed it from Windows XP :) | 09:52 |
| gomiam | ok | 09:52 |
| gomiam | what does /sbin/ifconfig show on the n900? | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | same as ifconfig on windows | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | err ipconfig | 09:53 |
| psycho_oreos | you meant ipconfig | 09:53 |
| psycho_oreos | :) | 09:53 |
| nok_fan | yea i got that | 09:53 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: no, it shouldn't show the same. If everything is right it should show IP address 192.168.137.x with 1<x<255 | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 09:54 |
| gomiam | ;) | 09:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ifconfig wlan0 even, iirc | 09:55 |
| nok_fan | ok there's a wlan0:1 with inet addr: 169.254.158.40 | 09:55 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: that doesn't look too good. Is there a wlan0 without :1 ? | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, seems to be the cause of problem | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is :1 ? | 09:56 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: sub-interface | 09:56 |
| gomiam | it allows you to have several IPs on the same hardware interface | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | how can it get there on wl1251? | 09:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hotspot? | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or joghurt sport? | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | or some absolutely mad "optimizer" for maemo wlan? | 09:57 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: no idea. But the Linux kernel supposedly supports several IPs on any given interface. | 09:58 |
| nok_fan | well the wlan0:0 is up broadcast running multicast etc but doesn't show any inet addr | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, just I never seen it in real life | 09:58 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: that's what you get for not having to deal with VLANs :P | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nok_fan: that's definitely odd | 09:58 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: I suspect you may have miswritten your WEP password (either on the n900 or the Windows PC) | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | gonmight be true, yes | 09:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 09:59 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: would you be so kind to double check it on both? | 09:59 |
| nok_fan | wtf? my wep security key's changed from what i saved it to a 10 digit number | 10:00 |
| nok_fan | this is on the pc | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't ever be a 10 digit number | 10:00 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: that doesn't look too good :) A 10 digit number means a 64-bit WEP key | 10:00 |
| gomiam | DocScrutinizer: yes it can, actually. I have seen a 64 WEP key that was 1234567890 | 10:01 |
| nok_fan | i'd saved it as a 5 character code | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | wep usually is 13 chars | 10:01 |
| gomiam | I had to crack it twice because I didn't believe it | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | 5 is ok too afaik | 10:01 |
| gomiam | nok_fan: not if you have typed 10 hexadecimal digits | 10:01 |
| gomiam | then it will automatically understand you are typing a "5 character" key in hexadecimal | 10:02 |
| gomiam | the same happens if you type a 26 hexadecimal digit password | 10:02 |
| nok_fan | k.. so i'll try typing this number as the code on my n900 | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 10:02 |
| nok_fan | and try connecting again | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest using a fresh proper 13char password on both ends | 10:03 |
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| nok_fan | ok.. i'll create a new one then | 10:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer passes mic to gomiam as that's clearly the more competent expert on this | 10:05 | |
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| psycho_oreos | Hurrian, ping | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: dong | 10:07 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, lol, you know that could mean something completely off ;) | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ding | 10:07 |
| infobot | dong | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pong | 10:07 |
| infobot | ~ping | 10:07 |
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| nok_fan | yes!! works! :P | 10:10 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, tried busybox-power? I saw your wiki.maemo.org username page and you suggested procps, I wonder if the stuff now provided by busybox-power would be enough to cover that? | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | TADAAA | 10:10 |
| nok_fan | haha | 10:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you are kidding, no? | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 10:11 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 10:11 |
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| nok_fan | whatsapp hasn't arrived for nokia n900 yet.. damn | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 10:13 |
| nok_fan | WhatsApp.. it's an application similar to BBM | 10:14 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/KgCQs0zY <-- looks like busybox-power has many tools, not saying that you're wrong but I thought it might be interesting to have a look | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 10:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: I'm not really interested in messybox, no matter which flavour | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I'd be even too scared about impact of replacing stock maemo busybox, regarding bootloop issues etc | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plus I'm quite a dusty old school unix fart, I love the concept of one tool per task | 10:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | binaries >300k are already suspicious ;-) | 10:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and a shell with all commands built in just feels way to MSDOSy | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, that's been yet another story | 10:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, lol fair enough | 10:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly the purpose of busybox on a system with a 500MHz processor and 32GB storage is completely beyond me | 10:20 |
| psycho_oreos | to me busybox reminds me of the standard monolithic kernel that literally everyone who runs linux does. A fair proportion of modules built into kernel making kernel rather big | 10:20 |
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| psycho_oreos | though 32GB with 512MB for swap, 2GB for /home/user and the rest (which is ~29GB) for /home/user/MyDocs (which is formatted as default to FAT32) | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, once there's been a time, when there simply had to be some modules in kernel, and you had to build your own kernel for every new machine | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's been round about the time shortly before initrd got invented | 10:22 |
| psycho_oreos | wouldn't be GNU hurd you're referring to? | 10:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's been even that mad tool to patch the kernel for some special parameters to match your machine | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | the binary kernel, not the source | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's been like last milenium | 10:24 |
| psycho_oreos | *shrug* I haven't been in the linux scene that long :) this must be pre 2.0.x days from my assumption | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite possibly | 10:24 |
| chem|st | yawn | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reyawn | 10:42 |
| RST38h | yawn indeed | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: heh, SuSE4.2 ? ;-) | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | tried Minix before, but it needed a MMU and I had none :-/ | 10:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AmigaOS was just unixoid enough for some time | 10:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and had that monitor, unparalleled. better than sysinternals^htop | 10:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, make that sysinternals^gdb^powertop | 10:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | obviously no one tool one task piece of sw ;-) Nevertheless brilliant | 10:49 |
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| cloudyLights | I need some help with scratchbox | 10:56 |
| cloudyLights | http://dpaste.com/556389/ | 10:56 |
| cloudyLights | I am trying to install this package I wrote on my N900 on my pc | 10:56 |
| cloudyLights | `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `python-dbus' | 10:57 |
| cloudyLights | why doesnt scratchbox have the sources to this dependency? | 10:57 |
| cloudyLights | how to add? | 10:57 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:57 |
| cloudyLights | hi Jaffa | 10:57 |
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| chem|st | ? | 11:04 |
| cloudyLights | hi chem|st | 11:04 |
| cloudyLights | can you help me with adding repo to my scratchbox? | 11:05 |
| chem|st | hi cloudyLights | 11:05 |
| chem|st | either with /etc/apt/source.list or app-manager | 11:05 |
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| cloudyLights | should I just copy my N900 /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 11:05 |
| chem|st | nope | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would you need a new repo? | 11:06 |
| Macer | to test personal debs on a private repo? | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't apt-get source python-dbus do? | 11:06 |
| chem|st | the cloudyLights the /apt/sources.list is actualy not used but some scripts up n900's behind... | 11:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: is yawn suse 4.2? | 11:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nah, you caught me during my sentimental 5 minutes | 11:07 |
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| chem|st | ? | 11:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | first suse distro I used | 11:08 |
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| cloudyLights | DocScrutinizer: http://dpaste.com/556392/ | 11:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: and yes, it actually had kernel 1.2.13 | 11:09 |
| cloudyLights | so it seems as if my scratchbox has access to python-dbus | 11:09 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: OT: now running a msi R6950 TwinFrozr III Premium/OC edition and a msi HD5850 TwinFrozr II (underclocked as I need a new PSU...) | 11:09 |
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| cloudyLights | so why is my previus error? | 11:09 |
| cloudyLights | http://dpaste.com/556389/ | 11:10 |
| cloudyLights | odd - no? | 11:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, lol talk about really ancient ;) | 11:11 |
| chem|st | cloudyLights: have you tried "fakeroot" up front? never got anything to work without | 11:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also maybe your second step fixed the error in first now | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really odd | 11:12 |
| cloudyLights | chem|st: I ran fakeroot dpkg ... - same resault | 11:12 |
| cloudyLights | also ran fakeroot | 11:12 |
| cloudyLights | then the dpkg - same resault | 11:13 |
| cloudyLights | DocScrutinizer: no , I still cant install my deb | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | NB I'm completely clueless regarding installs in SB | 11:13 |
| cloudyLights | ~seen MohammadAG | 11:14 |
| infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (19h 9m 23s) #meego (19h 9m 23s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 9h 49m 9s, last said: 'that should give you an estimate :p'. | 11:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | try fakeroot apt-get install python-dbus | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead of source | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't be that hard | 11:16 |
| cloudyLights | works! | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | python is looking for a library and you know the filename | 11:16 |
| cloudyLights | but I can't install my deb still - same error | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | your own deb? | 11:17 |
| cloudyLights | yes | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | might got "linked" against the wrong lib | 11:17 |
| cloudyLights | I used pypackager.... | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, no clue really | 11:18 |
| cloudyLights | thanks | 11:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control' near line 6 package `switchprofbymeeting': | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | `Depends' field, syntax error after reference to package `python-dbus' | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so check that line. Syntax error doesn't exactly sound like an unmet dependency | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might have a typo *somewhere* | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or pypackager did an ooopsie | 11:21 |
| EuPhobos | Hi all | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | cat /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control | head -n 8 | tail -n 4 | 11:22 |
| EuPhobos | Somebody help me to recovery my n900.. i messed up /etc/fstab.. how to i cat access to NAND memory? | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | or simply >>less /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | then go to line 6 | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and inspect | 11:23 |
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| cloudyLights | cat: /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/control: No such file or directory | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's too bad, it erased the temporary file :-/ | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you did this outside of SB, where /ver is quite a bit different from what it is inside | 11:24 |
| tzafrir_laptop | dpkg --info package.deb | 11:24 |
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| joga | (off-topic) this is old already but now there are funny pictures ;) https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee/commit/a047be | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | EuPhobos: you can't mess up fstab | 11:25 |
| cloudyLights | http://dpaste.com/556393/ | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | EuPhobos: it is autogenerated on each boot | 11:25 |
| cloudyLights | I ran dpkg -e <deb> | 11:25 |
| EuPhobos | DocScrutinizer: ofcouse but i'm edit the generator script.. I need only fix it, but i cant access to memory.. | 11:26 |
| tzafrir_laptop | cloudyLights, Maintainer is supposed to be a full email, right? 'niv' is a bit ambigious | 11:26 |
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| tzafrir_laptop | Depends should be comma-separated | 11:27 |
| cloudyLights | I promiss to fix it | 11:27 |
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| cloudyLights | ha ha! | 11:27 |
| cloudyLights | thanks! | 11:27 |
| tzafrir_laptop | I'm not sure there's a point of an empty 'Suggests' | 11:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: you're sure that's not a rogue page? | 11:27 |
| EuPhobos | /usr/lib/genfstab.awk has been edit and take mistake to options.. | 11:28 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Is it OK to has a package name that is no small caps? | 11:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EuPhobos: tricky nasty problem then | 11:28 |
| cloudyLights | can anyone sugget a better name for tha package? | 11:28 |
| EuPhobos | Yes, it's too hard to get access to NAND memory.. | 11:28 |
| cloudyLights | I used switchProfByMeeting | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically impossible | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need to mount ubifs | 11:29 |
| tzafrir_laptop | Also: "Priority: low" - that should be "extra" rather than "low", right? | 11:29 |
| EuPhobos | Even the meego rescue initrd not help.. | 11:29 |
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| EuPhobos | yes but how.. | 11:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but I wonder how you'll do that as system wont boot when rootfs not mounted | 11:29 |
| tzafrir_laptop | cloudyLights, the name of the google code project? | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | EuPhobos: indeed, recue-initrd is useless crap | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | EuPhobos: tried meego proper? | 11:30 |
| EuPhobos | DocScrutinizer where i can get this? | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego.com I guess | 11:31 |
| cloudyLights | switch-profile-by-meeting | 11:31 |
| cloudyLights | ? | 11:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | EuPhobos: https://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 | 11:32 |
| tzafrir_laptop | cloudyLights, yes | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | no google project | 11:33 |
| cloudyLights | too long? | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | cal2prof | 11:34 |
| cloudyLights | nice | 11:34 |
| EuPhobos | DocScrutinizer: thanks i'will try this.. | 11:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or appointment-profiles | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | profile-appointments | 11:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can even use cal2prof as technical name and profile-appointments as pretty name | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err technical name is unix name iirc | 11:37 |
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| murrayc | Has anyone noticed a redirect somewhere in repository.maemo.org to http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/Invalid/Packages ? | 11:51 |
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| murrayc | Hmm, no something else is going wrong. | 11:55 |
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| khertan | Hello ! | 12:25 |
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| cloudyLights | khertan: hi , going to lunch brb | 12:39 |
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| thopiekar_n900 | why is libgl-dev installable on fremantle 32 but not armel? | 13:49 |
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| cehteh | thopiekar_n900: because there is no gl hardware in the arm emulator | 13:53 |
| cehteh | sdk is a build environment, not for running all kinds of apps | 13:54 |
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| cehteh | (err .. bullshit .. -dev :) should be there somehow) | 13:54 |
| ruskie | lol | 13:55 |
| thopiekar_n900 | so what can i do if i need to compile a application that optionally needs these headers? | 13:55 |
| ruskie | wouldn't headers be equal on both? | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | thopiekar_n900: You can compile it, but not run it. | 13:55 |
| Jaffa | Until you scp it onto the device (IIRC) | 13:56 |
| thopiekar_n900 | I need it for mythtv to get opengl support for watching tv.. | 13:56 |
| thopiekar_n900 | jaffa.. you mean not run it on the n900? | 13:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | not run in scratchbox | 13:57 |
| cloudyLights | khertan: how can I make the package install in arml and also in i386? | 13:59 |
| cloudyLights | p.arch=? | 14:00 |
| thopiekar_n900 | so I'll need to keep using XV right? | 14:00 |
| thopiekar_n900 | SpeedEvil so how can I install the headers? | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 14:03 |
| thopiekar_n900 | hmm | 14:03 |
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| thopiekar_n900 | do you know which video output the default mediaplayer is using? | 14:04 |
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| cloudyLights | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > mkdir -p /home/opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon | 14:32 |
| cloudyLights | errr | 14:32 |
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| MohammadAG | video output | 14:43 |
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| cloudyLights | MohammadAG! | 14:44 |
| cloudyLights | can you pls help me use scratchbox? | 14:44 |
| cloudyLights | I can't emulate deb install | 14:44 |
| cloudyLights | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > mkdir -p /home/opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon fails | 14:45 |
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| khertan | cloudyLights, hello ! | 14:45 |
| cloudyLights | hi mate | 14:45 |
| khertan | cloudyLights, p.arch=all | 14:45 |
| khertan | "all" exactly :) | 14:45 |
| cloudyLights | how to allow the python deb to run on my N900 and the pc scratchbox? | 14:45 |
| cloudyLights | ok | 14:45 |
| cloudyLights | thanks | 14:46 |
| cloudyLights | any idea how to solve the /home/opt/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon fails ? | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG | use /opt not /home/opt | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | both on device and in scratchbox | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | and why mkdir that | 14:47 |
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| MohammadAG | use /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/hildon directly | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | it's the right way since that is a symlink | 14:48 |
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| cloudyLights | o ok , didnt know | 14:54 |
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| cloudyLights | MohammadAG: E: Unable to find a source package for python-mafw | 15:12 |
| cloudyLights | in scratchbox | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | add extras-devel | 15:13 |
| cloudyLights | how to do it in command/ | 15:13 |
| cloudyLights | ? | 15:13 |
| cloudyLights | maybe you remmebr.... | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | echo deb_line >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | I don't have the line atm | 15:14 |
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| cloudyLights | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | and deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | for sources | 15:20 |
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| cloudyLights | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list doesnt exist in scratchbox | 15:23 |
| cloudyLights | is this good? | 15:23 |
| cloudyLights | /etc/apt/sources.list is empty | 15:23 |
| * SpeedEvil is now up to 4 calls recieved on the n900. | 15:24 | |
| Jaffa | Ever? | 15:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | Wow | 15:26 |
| * Jaffa had two this morning. Both from his wife about the fact our hot water cylinder was leaking | 15:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | I don't give out the number. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | My hot water cylinder is not leaking. | 15:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It's disconnected until I re-fit it. | 15:26 |
| Spydemon | hi all ;-) | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa, has it been 9 months already? | 15:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I had to disconnecte it as the muppet that fitted it arranged it cleverly so that to change the immersion element would require me to remove the roof. | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Unfortunate | 15:27 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: :-p | 15:27 |
| Spydemon | did anyone knows if dsmetool is a software used to start other softwares ? | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | yes it is | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | fucking stupid codemonkey webdevelopers with their fucking attitudes and pride. Learn to code, learn to properly use a database, learn to read documentation, learn to document your own code. Fucking wankers. | 15:30 |
| mece | Ilmatar! | 15:30 |
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| MohammadAG | one that keeps respawning processes till they work | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | if they don't, reboot the device till they do | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | and my PC is giving me kernel panics at bootup | 15:31 |
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| MohammadAG | fun times | 15:31 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, buntu? | 15:31 |
| NIN101 | http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2264 - The (potential) vulnerabilities are rising and rising for maemo, in kernel and userspace. | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, yeah, unplugged the charger and it worked | 15:32 |
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| Spydemon | ok so, if i want to use another alarm clock, it's in dsmetool that I must make some changes ? | 15:35 |
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| khertan | where is the bookmaker to register bet on the new or not maemo 6 device ? | 15:36 |
| khertan | crashanddie, webdevelopers <<<< hum ... you didn't see any problem here ? | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | I will take any bets on the new device to be released either with or without a keyboard at -10:1 | 15:37 |
| crashanddie | khertan, I used to be a webdev, and seemed to be doing alright. | 15:37 |
| khertan | web dev ... | 15:38 |
| khertan | hum ... it s like saying True == False | 15:38 |
| khertan | it s not possible | 15:38 |
| khertan | :) | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | actually, in Python, it is. | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | True = False | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | if True == False: print 'hey there' | 15:38 |
| khertan | while 1>2: | 15:39 |
| khertan | print "web dev is a myth" | 15:39 |
| khertan | else: | 15:39 |
| khertan | print "web dev didn't exists" | 15:39 |
| khertan | :) | 15:40 |
| khertan | hum ... while else | 15:40 |
| khertan | the new loop ;) | 15:40 |
| khertan | i should stop doing 4D code | 15:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Spydemon: your question is kinda odd | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: lol @ muppet | 16:40 |
| ShadowJK | ah the "big reveal" was tomorrow | 16:41 |
| ShadowJK | or the "big sigh" when they hold up a w7p ;p | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet 5 bucks on "SUCKS" | 16:41 |
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| Spydemon | DocScrutinizer, I want to make another alarm clock, so when it's time to the alarm to ring, my own alarm clock should be running instead the default | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I thing libalarmd would handle that for you | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | think even | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you may want to have a look into alarmed package | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it basically *is* an alternative alarm clock | 16:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just the GUI isn't exactly tailored to serve as a stupid night desk alarm clock | 16:46 |
| Spydemon | ok thanks, i'll have a look ;-) | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | first install the app,it's painless | 16:47 |
| ShadowJK | I guess we should be worried when eldar is saying something positive | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | then check the cmdline interface which could offer most of what you need for core functionality | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I actually suggest to rather use alarmed app for a core service replacing the missing at daemon, rather than implementing yet another app that is messing with libalarmd directly | 16:50 |
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| khertan | DocScrutinizer, indeed ... alarmed is marvelous for running backup, auto sync, commit, nightly :) | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Spydemon: | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ln -s /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py /usr/bin/alarmed | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# alarmed --help | 16:54 |
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| kerio | why doesn't maemo use cron, again? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: a few of the suggestions, esp cmdline and running scripts, are by me :-) | 16:56 |
| Spydemon | thanks DocScrutinizer :) | 16:56 |
| Spydemon | you seems to be a good hacker :p | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: because cron can't really work on a system like maemo | 16:56 |
| kerio | why not | 16:56 |
| khertan | because | 16:57 |
| kerio | it's supposed to be unix | 16:57 |
| khertan | yep but not suppose to be connected to the wall charger all time | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarmd lib is beyond what cron can handle | 16:57 |
| bindi | are we all excited for tomorrows release | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarmd also knows to hw-alarm | 16:57 |
| khertan | and cron didn't suppose to be running when device sleep | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | also alarmd is doing a bit of optimization by concatenating alarms so wakeups are less frequently, AIUI | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure they could have built sth like alarmd, and give it a frontend compatible to cron | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | we have several such things, in maemo and elsewhere. in maemo there's alarmed and fcron, in FSO/SHR we got fsoatd | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | (also my suggestion ;-) | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarmed cli should be as much cron-y as possible | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's why I suggest using it instead of direct interfacing to libalarmd | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | -c 'CRON', --cron='CRON' | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Supply recurrence using cron-like syntax. Make sure to | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | use quotes, for example: '5 * 12,14,16 02,02 3' | 17:03 |
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| khertan | Someone here is playing with QML on n900 ? | 17:35 |
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| khertan | i got frequent segfault with my pyside loader that i didn't understand : QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' | 17:36 |
| khertan | (Make sure 'QNetworkConfigurationPrivatePointer' is registered using qRegisterMetaType().) | 17:36 |
| khertan | Segmentation fault | 17:36 |
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| javispedro | so now I have definite proof that there will be a dev device soon. | 18:14 |
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| javispedro | why? because I had to call in sick. last time I had to, that same day the ddp was announced. | 18:14 |
| javispedro | (proof of that is on this channel' logs =) ) | 18:15 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: And you've not been sick between then & now? | 18:16 |
| javispedro | not a single day. | 18:16 |
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| Jaffa | javispedro: Wow | 18:17 |
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| javispedro | (that I remember =) ) | 18:18 |
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| javispedro | so my wacky prediction is clearly to be believed in. | 18:19 |
| crashanddie | ddp? | 18:19 |
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| javispedro | device developer program, back in n900 times | 18:20 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: :) | 18:21 |
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| javispedro | I bet you will all watch the livestream :) | 18:21 |
| javispedro | (I won't -- I need the sleep) | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | nope | 18:21 |
| crashanddie | cba | 18:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | What livestream? | 18:23 |
| nicofs | Hello! I have a Nokia N900, and I'm trying to chat using the integrated chat client. While I can log in to skype, neither ICQ nor MSN are working. Has anyone got an idea why? | 18:23 |
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| crashanddie | nicofs, did you install the plugin? | 18:24 |
| crashanddie | nicofs, look for MSN Protocol Plugin For Conversations And Contacts | 18:25 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: more like "liveblog" | 18:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 18:25 |
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| nicofs | crashanddie, i installed everything that had the name plugin in it... | 18:26 |
| Sicelo | x/sb clear | 18:26 |
| nicofs | crashanddie, pidgin works, but sadly it's not that well integrated into the system... | 18:26 |
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| nicofs | Is it possible to run Android apps in maemo? | 19:02 |
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| Jaffa | nicofs: There is a proof-of-concept OEM solution called Alien Dalvik. However, it is not publically available. | 19:08 |
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| nicofs | Jaffa, what exactly does that mean? | 19:13 |
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| ruskie | nicofs, that it is possible but only if you belong to the secret club | 19:13 |
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| ruskie | and even then it doesn't actually hook into the maemo bs iirc | 19:14 |
| ruskie | erm dbs | 19:14 |
| nicofs | ruskie, how do i join the secret club? | 19:14 |
| ruskie | wouldn't know | 19:14 |
| ruskie | never was interested in that | 19:14 |
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| ruskie | maybe web searching will yield some results | 19:15 |
| nid0 | the easiest way is probably http://www.myriadgroup.com/~/link.aspx?_id=F028A669103D402A95D53860D3CBD907&_z=z | 19:16 |
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| Jaffa | nicofs: Be a mass-market producer of Maemo 5 devices; contact them an ask for a licence. Pay. Ship device. Profit. | 19:20 |
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| Jaffa | nicofs: In other words, you don't join that secret club. | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | It's like VMware demonstrating VMs on N800s: it's a tech demo to advertise the company, not enrich users of the platform's lives | 19:21 |
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| nicofs | why does everything always have to be iOS or android... | 19:22 |
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| loft306 | they keep making devvices at a rapid pace? a bigger user base? | 19:27 |
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| loft306 | more profit potentian for the dev of the app? | 19:28 |
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| GAN900 | People have descended to calling any smartphone here an "iphone" | 19:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | So, keynote is at 0200 UTC. Which of you will be up for it? :P | 19:50 |
| * SpeedEvil will probably be. | 19:50 | |
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| * NIN101 | 19:51 | |
| * ShadowJK will be trying to arbitrate the argument between his stomach and the morning coffee | 19:51 | |
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| ab | GeneralAntilles, it is 5am finnish time so bearable, especially with white nights | 19:54 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Well, gotta say I'm happy to finally have a product announcement time that fits into my schedule. | 19:57 |
| vi__ | GeneralAntilles: n9? | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | vi__, apparently. | 19:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | 10:00 PM EDT | 19:58 |
| vi__ | GeneralAntilles: I am being a little more cautious about counting my chickens | 19:58 |
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| GeneralAntilles | vi__, well, there's an image alt that says "Nokia N9 - Lannku" | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Buried on the Nokia site. | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | WeAreMeeGo was resurrected last week. | 19:59 |
| vldcnst | Will there be a live stream? | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Should be. | 19:59 |
| vldcnst | Will there be popcorn? | 19:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Only if you cook your own. | 20:00 |
| vi__ | providing you provide it. | 20:00 |
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| cloudyLights | gettting used to scratchbox , here. not bad | 20:09 |
| Macer | cloudyLights: have you fixed the sdk for maemo? | 20:11 |
| Macer | does meego use scratchbox? | 20:11 |
| cloudyLights | I think so | 20:11 |
| Macer | cloudyLights: did you install on a box? | 20:11 |
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| Macer | or did you use the image? | 20:12 |
| cloudyLights | I installed scratchbox on my laptop | 20:12 |
| Macer | and the maemo sdk? | 20:12 |
| Macer | wow | 20:12 |
| cloudyLights | I am a gentoo user, but I installed ubuntu - just to get it working | 20:12 |
| Macer | i could never get it to work | 20:12 |
| Macer | you should blog what you did :-P | 20:12 |
| Macer | natty? | 20:12 |
| cloudyLights | I had to get assistence here from MohammadAG | 20:13 |
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| cloudyLights | and you need to read the wiki a few times | 20:13 |
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| jef91 | Anyone have the .deb for angry birds laying around somewhere? Not the level packs - just the free version itself | 20:13 |
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| cloudyLights | and all this work , just to release a simple app | 20:14 |
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| vi__ | GeneralAntilles: its real | 20:23 |
| vi__ | GeneralAntilles: http://pocketnow.com/android/nokia-n9-first-press-shots | 20:23 |
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| Spydemon | n900 doesn't use cron, isn't it ? So, what is use instead of it ? | 20:26 |
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| joga | Spydemon I found that Alarmed fills all my schedule needs | 20:27 |
| joga | (running a script daily + some random stuff occasionally) | 20:27 |
| vi__ | n900 uses alarmd | 20:28 |
| vi__ | it is more or less a cron copy | 20:28 |
| vi__ | there is a nice front end called alarmed written in python | 20:28 |
| vi__ | though you can install cron if you want | 20:29 |
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| GAN900 | vi__, weird look. | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | Certain distinctive, though. | 20:29 |
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| vi__ | wierd? in what respect | 20:31 |
| vi__ | just an N8 with less corner and more screen. | 20:31 |
| Spydemon | yes, DocScrutinizer told me about Alarmed, but how Alarmed does the auto - execution ? It isn't something higher ? | 20:32 |
| GAN900 | Dunno, N8 looks weird to me too. | 20:32 |
| cloudyLights | Nokia Connection? | 20:32 |
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| vi__ | where is the USB port? | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | If only we had had this in SF | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | Would've been a much less depressing event. | 20:33 |
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| ShadowJK | is this keyboardless | 20:34 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | So we haven't seen the "N950" yet | 20:35 |
| GAN900 | Hopefully that doesn't mean its cancelled | 20:35 |
| kirma | ah, convincing renderings of "N9" at tmo | 20:36 |
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| kirma | like, it's missing usb port, and either charger or earphone jack too... :I | 20:36 |
| GAN900 | I have very little faith in Nokia's ability to produce a usable touch keyboard. *g* | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | indeed | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | Well even if they did, I'd want it on a slide out second screen ;P | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | don't want wasted screenspace.. | 20:38 |
| vi__ | yeah | 20:38 |
| vi__ | how do I double tab into a virtual kb? | 20:38 |
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| ShadowJK | btw, did Nokia Research Center have "feelable" haptic feedback? Like the superimposed vibrations thing so you can "feel" key boundaries on touchscreen? | 20:39 |
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| ShadowJK | This will be frustrating. On one hand you'd want to buy the MeeGo device in order for it to be a success, so that it doesn't die, but on the other hand you'd want to wait for qwerty | 20:41 |
| vi__ | that and the qwerty is going to be WELL old by the time it gets here | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | well it'd be newer than N900 | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | And a MeeGo device would probably only be a week or two of hacking to become usable upgrade from N900/Maemo5 | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | or a month | 20:43 |
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| ShadowJK | it took like 7 years to make xchat usable | 20:48 |
| * ShadowJK wonders how long to make usable irc client in QT... | 20:48 | |
| Cor-Ai | why use anyting else then irssi? | 20:48 |
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| Choom | indeed | 20:54 |
| Choom | that's what I've been using since 2000 | 20:54 |
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| ShadowJK | i can't get overview of activity in irssi in any meaningful way :p | 20:54 |
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| Choom | and before irssi it was BitchX, but I don't want to remember that | 20:54 |
| hiemanshu | ShadowJK: there is quassel2go, ask people to fix it :P | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | I used epic before irssi... :P | 20:55 |
| hiemanshu | so it seems that the N950 (or whatever it is) will be announced tomorrow? | 20:56 |
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| Choom | hiemanshu: is that so? | 20:56 |
| hiemanshu | Choom: http://www.happyassassin.net/2011/06/19/n900-successor-announced-tuesday/\ | 20:56 |
| hiemanshu | err remove the \ at the end | 20:57 |
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| hiemanshu | the author is a friend, and well can be trusted | 20:57 |
| Choom | thanks | 20:57 |
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| Choom | hope it comes with a capacitive screen | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | I hope it doesn't come with a capacitive screen | 20:58 |
| ShadowJK | It took them like, what, 7 years from making their first with a resistive screen until making one that was good like N900.. I imagine it'd take them just as long to perfect capacitive :P | 21:00 |
| Choom | your collective resistance (pun intended) to capacitive screens intrigues me | 21:00 |
| Choom | ah | 21:01 |
| Choom | there are also optic screens, but I don't think those are suitable for mobile devices | 21:02 |
| Cor-Ai | Choom: haha bitchX that was a "fun" time for me to! :p | 21:02 |
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| Choom | they work great on the desktop though, combining both the good aspects of capacitive and resistive without the drawbacks | 21:02 |
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| ShadowJK | the flesh of my fingers presents a too gigantic reading on capacitive | 21:04 |
| * ShadowJK 's netbook has capacitive touchpad, it's nearly unusable :-( | 21:05 | |
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| Choom | I've been thinking about getting one of those myself | 21:06 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, depends on utility and scale | 21:06 |
| Choom | they make all the sense on laptops | 21:06 |
| * lcuk wants dual mode | 21:07 | |
| ShadowJK | laptop interprets finger movement as series of random clicks | 21:07 |
| lcuk | upgrade your fingers | 21:07 |
| ShadowJK | unless I press hard, then it's 50/50 between pointer movement and lockout because it thinks I put down entire foot on it or something | 21:08 |
| Choom | ShadowJK: are you sure that's a capacitive screen? | 21:09 |
| Choom | capacitive screens are usually quite sensitive | 21:09 |
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| ShadowJK | yes because it doesn't react to nails | 21:09 |
| lcuk | Choom, sensitive to skin | 21:09 |
| lcuk | not to fingernail | 21:09 |
| GeneralAntilles | I don't get the fixation people have on WP7. | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | "that would be a hit with windows phone 7!" | 21:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | No. It'd be shit. | 21:11 |
| ShadowJK | isn't wp7 more like a featurephone with html5 support? | 21:11 |
| hiemanshu | Windows Phone 7 now with a green screen of death! | 21:11 |
| hiemanshu | (TM) | 21:11 |
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| wmarone | GeneralAntilles: because Microsoft! and Xbox! | 21:14 |
| GAN900 | Choom, because they're a pain to use when your fingers are trained for resistive. | 21:16 |
| GAN900 | They're also stupidly imprecise. | 21:16 |
| GAN900 | mikhas, don't think about discussion things in #meego that might have a shot at making it semi-relevant. | 21:16 |
| GAN900 | Fool. | 21:17 |
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| hiemanshu | I have an iPhone and a N900, dont really see that much of a different in touch (well no multitouch tough) | 21:19 |
| GAN900 | Try placing an insertion point on the iPhone. | 21:20 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine mediocre capacitive is going to be worse... and then, well, do you think Nokia does high-end or mediocre on first try :) | 21:20 |
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| mikhas | GAN900, come again? | 21:21 |
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| mikhas | ShadowJK, that can be adjusted on the driver level | 21:21 |
| ShadowJK | lol? | 21:22 |
| mikhas | yes | 21:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | mikhas, sorry, just being cynical about #meego and things which might help the project but which Intel doesn't like. :P | 21:22 |
| mikhas | instead of testing for a fixed value, test for delta in a given time frame | 21:22 |
| ShadowJK | So the sub-par performance of htc vs iphone capacitive is just due to shitty drivers? | 21:22 |
| mikhas | well written drivers can do wonders in that area | 21:23 |
| ShadowJK | causing a straight line grid drawn on screen to come out as wavy lines in a grid with each rectangle different size? | 21:23 |
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| ShadowJK | http://www.esphoneblog.com/2010/01/09/capacitive-touch-screen-battle-iphone-droid-nexus-one-and-eris/ this is fixable in drivers? | 21:25 |
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| thopiekar | hi.. I got now MythTV packaged for my N900 BUT: I can't use the QMySQL driver when launching it.. libqt4-sql-mysql is installed.. | 21:55 |
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| Sc0rpius | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/39574/nokia-n9-press-images-leaked.html | 22:02 |
| Sc0rpius | if that's true, that phone will suck | 22:02 |
| Sc0rpius | we NEED a physical keyboard! | 22:02 |
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| swordi | physical keyboards sucks, they are only good for noobs and not for those who want a real touch keyboard | 22:03 |
| wmarone | swordi: oh please ;p | 22:03 |
| swordi | hey cmon, it's been a while since i trolled here | 22:05 |
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| cehteh | i dont want a n9 either way :P | 22:08 |
| Sc0rpius | well | 22:08 |
| Sc0rpius | I would have liked a nice phone with Meego | 22:08 |
| Sc0rpius | but without a physical keyboard? no. | 22:08 |
| Sc0rpius | and swordi it seems you don't do heavy ssh from your phone | 22:09 |
| swordi | Sc0rpius, what's about usb keyboards? | 22:09 |
| Sc0rpius | where a virtual keyboard would not only suck in speed but it will occupy the whole screen | 22:09 |
| Sc0rpius | in SSH, you can't just do that | 22:09 |
| Sc0rpius | I can't carry a USB keyboard while I'm on the bike at the gym | 22:09 |
| swordi | buy a car | 22:09 |
| Sc0rpius | (that's when my heavy SSH occur) | 22:09 |
| Sc0rpius | I said at the gym :P | 22:10 |
| swordi | m( | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | I can't survive excercising 40 minutes at the gym without my ssh | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | anyway I know how a virtual keyboard sucks | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | I have an Android tablet | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | and it's pretty useful and handy while I don't have to type | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | then I want to reply an email | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | and I usually ditch it and turn on my netbook | 22:11 |
| swordi | maybe NIN101 already told you, but he had to send his n900 to repair and he still doesn't got it back, some pity would be cool! | 22:11 |
| swordi | android sucks, but at least you don't need an activation key lol | 22:12 |
| swordi | (I'm talking about windows phone) | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | Android sucks yes | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | it's slow | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | it's unstable | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | and it closes applications when it feels like it | 22:12 |
| swordi | bloat | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | but there is no Maemo/Meego tablet yet | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | and I wanted a tablet for PDF reading at night | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | that could do some quick Internet browsing | 22:13 |
| swordi | i wait for windows 8 tablets | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah that'd work too | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm not like most of people that will diss Windows the second they read the word | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | I'd have to test it first, but I'd definitely give it a chance | 22:13 |
| mariob | Sc0rpius: There's actually a MeeGo tablet, the WeTab | 22:14 |
| swordi | >WeTab | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | and it works? | 22:15 |
| swordi | nice thing, but it wasn't really successful | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | the problem is that we need Meego to be more mainstream | 22:15 |
| mariob | Sc0rpius: It seems so... I haven't tried it myself | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | unless there are at least 10 Meego devices in the market, Meego won't be successful | 22:16 |
| mariob | Sc0rpius: I don't think it's your gym pal, 11" screen :) | 22:16 |
| mariob | Sc0rpius: Acer will release the M500 tablet in Q4 (according to statements from Computex) so there's some devices coming up | 22:17 |
| Sc0rpius | 11" is too big | 22:18 |
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| Sc0rpius | I like the 7" the one I have is 7" | 22:18 |
| mariob | Sc0rpius: Well, that's why you need a phys keyboard :) | 22:19 |
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| RST38h | moo, konttori | 22:19 |
| konttori_work | hi | 22:19 |
| konttori_work | good to be alive again. | 22:20 |
| RST38h | Still at Nokia? | 22:20 |
| konttori_work | We have been pushing so so so hard for almost a year now. | 22:20 |
| konttori_work | yeah | 22:20 |
| konttori_work | now, finally, taking our head from the trenches | 22:20 |
| RST38h | 12 hours left? =) | 22:20 |
| konttori_work | less | 22:20 |
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| konttori_work | it's ab fab | 22:20 |
| ab | konttori_work, hey, don't highlight me :) | 22:21 |
| RST38h | yesssss | 22:21 |
| konttori_work | ab: sorry | 22:21 |
| ab | konttori_work, I thought you wanted to say something | 22:21 |
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| konttori_work | naah. Can't really talk too much before announcements, so just came to peek on what's going on and making sure I have connections set for the morning. | 22:22 |
| ab | konttori_work, there are still no links for streaming from nokiaconnection | 22:23 |
| konttori_work | otoh, it's really starting to be interesting when you guys get your hands on <snip> | 22:23 |
| Sc0rpius | well what's going on is that N9 doesn't have a physical keyboard and that sucks | 22:23 |
| Sc0rpius | :P | 22:23 |
| konttori_work | ab: yeah, I've been wondering about that too | 22:23 |
| ab | konttori_work, now, my coughing and white nights will make me perfect target at 5am | 22:23 |
| RST38h | well, it has been pretty dead here lately, with all the gloometc | 22:24 |
| konttori_work | Sc0rpius: yeah, I hate it too. But we have really good vibra and the new input method framework turned out to work pretty well. | 22:24 |
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| konttori_work | Shame it's still compositoted. Update releases should help on removing that | 22:24 |
| Sc0rpius | but how can I do heavy ssh with a virtual keyboard that takes the whole screen :'( | 22:24 |
| ab | konttori_work, btw, saw Maliit release today, good work | 22:24 |
| konttori_work | Sc0rpius: it takes only 60% of screen | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | in portrait mode | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | but the whole thing in landscape | 22:25 |
| konttori_work | and you can use it also in portrait | 22:25 |
| RST38h | update releases??? | 22:25 |
| konttori_work | Sc0rpius: no, it's 60% in landscape | 22:25 |
| ab | and thanks for cyrillics update | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | oh... | 22:25 |
| Sc0rpius | interesting | 22:25 |
| konttori_work | in portrait it's maybe 45% | 22:25 |
| konttori_work | We are all the time using landscape vkb with terminal | 22:25 |
| konttori_work | it works pretty ok | 22:25 |
| ab | RST38h, wanna bet when konttori_work will realise he'll get quoted on the TMO thread? | 22:25 |
| konttori_work | ah, that thread is so spammed that nobody would even notice | 22:26 |
| RST38h | ab:One tmothread? noooo | 22:26 |
| * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to please, PLEASE, deliver tomorrow | 22:27 | |
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| RST38h | "hanks to some Finnish readers who point out that it would be Lankku (plank in finnish)." | 22:28 |
| RST38h | Isn't it what one... walks? | 22:28 |
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| mariob | RST38h: Before you jump into the water to escape the burning platform :) | 22:29 |
| RST38h | mariob: and drown. | 22:29 |
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| ab | RST38h, that is one use of planks :) | 22:30 |
| mariob | Someone has some info about the leaked details about S40 getting 1Ghz? Would the sw be replaced by Linux and Qt? :) | 22:30 |
| RST38h | Ah, some news sites are back to using "Maemo 6" moniker | 22:31 |
| ab | mariob, you probably read too much ceoStephenElop on twitter | 22:31 |
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| mariob | ab: lol | 22:31 |
| ab | konttori_work, but thanks for cyrillics fixes, btw | 22:31 |
| konttori_work | I vote also for maemo6 . But I think we will use meego. As said, no idea. | 22:31 |
| konttori_work | We have been so in the trenches that we haven't been following much of marketing / political activities | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | konttori_work: Intel are the only stake in the TSG, and they're pissed off (well, a lot of the non-politically sensitive people are) | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | konttori_work: Although having it called MeeGo (or similar) would be a *massive* boon to the MeeGo project. | 22:32 |
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| konttori_work | ab: ah, yeah, those were really requested internally. | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | konttori_work: After the conference, I said "MeeGo needs Harmattan a lot more than Harmattan needs MeeGo" | 22:32 |
| Jaffa | konttori_work: Glad to have your head in daylight for the first time in months? ;-) | 22:33 |
| konttori_work | Funnily, we had to throw away the "expert" designed layout guides for vkb and design our own with a few russian architects. | 22:33 |
| ab | konttori_work, I sat with a lady and got a Finnkino ticket | 22:33 |
| konttori_work | Jaffa: for sure. | 22:33 |
| konttori_work | Jaffa: meego is a peculiar beast. They are doing really good with set top boxes, tvs and car systems. | 22:34 |
| konttori_work | but for those, intel only provides adaptation + qt + qml + some conveniences for the target segments | 22:34 |
| konttori_work | But notebook really isn't flying, and phone segment needs a lot of work to do the necessary differentiation. | 22:35 |
| ab | unexpected finding, eh? ;) | 22:35 |
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| konttori_work | Well, to me that the tv and car segments are doing so well is a surprise | 22:36 |
| konttori_work | otoh, doing a tv UI in qml is pretty freakin' sweet idea. | 22:37 |
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| Jaffa | konttori_work: Of no interest to consumers or app devs, tho. | 22:37 |
| ab | perhaps they have smaller variety of UIs there | 22:37 |
| konttori_work | not that much, no | 22:37 |
| konttori_work | well, probably angry birds are welcome | 22:37 |
| ab | angry birds on car | 22:37 |
| ab | at driver's seat | 22:38 |
| konttori_work | lol | 22:38 |
| konttori_work | there is mandatory disabling of front seat screens when car is moving | 22:38 |
| konttori_work | well, the dashboard will obviously function, but that won't hopefully play angry birds | 22:39 |
| RST38h | Doing any UI in QML is a nice idea | 22:39 |
| RST38h | But only if QML has got a small enough memory/cpu footprint | 22:39 |
| ruskie | konttori_work, even for GPS? | 22:39 |
| RST38h | (i.e. comparable with Gtk+ or plain Qt) | 22:39 |
| konttori_work | ruskie: for car entertainment | 22:40 |
| konttori_work | RST38h: javascript engine is the biggest cost at 4 MB. Rest is pretty thin | 22:40 |
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| ruskie | I prefer to use a camera to entertain me or just sleep | 22:40 |
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| konttori_work | and the qml2 of course moves the scene graph to GPU, so it's ultra efficient | 22:40 |
| RST38h | konttori:how does it handle memory-unbounded nature of js? | 22:40 |
| konttori_work | RST38h: funny question. Not very well. | 22:40 |
| konttori_work | And in general, freeing memory is not qmls forte at the moment | 22:41 |
| konttori_work | we are working on improving it, but really, qml has only matured to be production usable in march. | 22:41 |
| konttori_work | before that it has been having a lot of issues all over the place | 22:42 |
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| ab | dalvik-like memory mapping across components and multiple instances is still missing | 22:42 |
| ab | and that is pretty hard to introduce with current QML engine implementation | 22:43 |
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| konttori_work | ab: and harder further still in the future. | 22:43 |
| konttori_work | some memory mapping is already of course used, like sharing theme graphics over shared memory between processes | 22:44 |
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| ab | konttori_work, QML components compiled memory representation should be shared. Last time I looked at it, it was hopeless due to many pointered structures used | 22:45 |
| konttori_work | and qt mobility has a shared emory backend that makes data sharing very easy. But often needs c++ code. | 22:45 |
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| ab | konttori_work, that does not mean anything with QML engine | 22:45 |
| konttori_work | nope it doesn't | 22:46 |
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| konttori_work | but then again, with c++ you can do all wonders you need | 22:46 |
| konttori_work | it's just not as convenient | 22:46 |
| ab | konttori_work, thing is, if you right now have 4MB overhead per engine + whatever structure is there when QML components are compiled in, you'll multiply that by number of apps running | 22:46 |
| ab | even though those apps will use the same components, components' code will be duplicated in memory | 22:46 |
| konttori_work | Yeah. Not a problem. | 22:47 |
| ab | it is a problem actually | 22:47 |
| ab | you haven't seen how heavy those structures within QML engine | 22:47 |
| konttori_work | It's a waste for sure, but not something we could not live with | 22:47 |
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| ShadowJK | are you implying there'll be more than bare minimum ram? :-) | 22:51 |
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| ShadowJK | hey since keyboard is presumably missing now, is bluetooth keyboard support back? :D | 22:52 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: There will ALWAYS be bare minimum RAM! | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, not true, they made computers with Vista and 1G | 22:52 |
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| javispedro | they also made system9 macs with 1G | 22:54 |
| RST38h | Was that enough? | 22:55 |
| RST38h | And for how long? =) | 22:55 |
| javispedro | it was way too much for showing the desktop, too low for anything else... | 22:56 |
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| ShadowJK | vista with 1g rapes the harddrive a day to produce a warning message saying windows has determined your computer needs more ram | 22:59 |
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| konttori_work | we also have compressed ram swap. It's insanely fast solution for extending ram needs. | 23:01 |
| RST38h | Ah, so compressed ram swap DOES HELP? | 23:02 |
| konttori_work | anyway, let's see what tomorrow brings. It should allow much more details and thus better discussion points | 23:02 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: See? I have been telling this for months :) | 23:02 |
| RST38h | konttori: More important question: Are remaining Nokians going to be returning to maemo.org? | 23:03 |
| konttori_work | it's over 10x compared to one nand flash | 23:03 |
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| ShadowJK | no published code would be able to sanely swap on onenand anyway? | 23:03 |
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| cehteh | zram is the second coolest thing since sliced bread .. unfortunally no actual package for the n900 :/ | 23:04 |
| ioan | hi | 23:04 |
| ioan | did you guys see this? http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/rumor-nokia-to-launch-n9-with-12-megapixel-camera-tomorrow/25690 | 23:04 |
| ioan | is it for real? | 23:04 |
| cehteh | tomorrow will know | 23:04 |
| Sc0rpius | it'll have the same N8 camera | 23:05 |
| ab | RST38h, it does really help | 23:05 |
| RST38h | will it have autofocus? | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | Tonight for the US. | 23:05 |
| konttori_work | tomorrow is real. details you need wait then | 23:05 |
| GeneralAntilles | RST38h, Engadget's spyshots say 8MP AF | 23:05 |
| ab | RST38h, let's focus on tomorrow | 23:05 |
| RST38h | ab: Someone should finally compile gzipped RAM swap for the Maemo5 and include it into CSSU :( | 23:05 |
| RST38h | General: nice, meansbarcode recognition will work | 23:06 |
| ab | RST38h, I think it is available at code.google.com | 23:06 |
| konttori_work | RST38h: ramswap would really like more ram than 256 n900 has. | 23:06 |
| ShadowJK | does it not create bigger fragmentation issues in backing swap over time, making "phone unusably slow after using fennec or 2 days uptime" syndrome worse? | 23:06 |
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| RST38h | konttori: ah | 23:06 |
| RST38h | So, 256 does not reach the break point | 23:06 |
| konttori_work | otoh, perhaps sacrificing say... 70 megs would make sense | 23:06 |
| ab | ShadowJK, kill all apps, turn it off, turn it on and it is ready for new endeavors | 23:07 |
| RST38h | ab:there is a well known implementation and someone even experimented with it on N900, but nothing end-user-usable | 23:07 |
| ShadowJK | ab: but then I lose stuff :) | 23:07 |
| RST38h | ab:actually, there is an easier way to roll over swap :) | 23:07 |
| ab | RST38h, I guess konttori_work is right about memory requirements | 23:07 |
| konttori_work | we are putting 256 to ram swap if I remember correctly. Different configuration shave been tested and I think that was the one we stuck to | 23:08 |
| * ShadowJK has two swap files on n900 and switches once swap starts fragmenting | 23:08 | |
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| Jaffa | Right, nearly bed time. See you at 2am UTC in ##nokiacnxn | 23:08 |
| ShadowJK | (which is ~700M of writes, or 5 minutes firefox) :-) | 23:08 |
| konttori_work | we should have put the system partition to emmc for n900 and put 256 of swap to onenand there. That would have been really nice. | 23:09 |
| * Jaffa nods | 23:09 | |
| ShadowJK | how big is erase block size on n900 onenand? | 23:09 |
| ShadowJK | it's significantly larger than 4k isn't it? | 23:10 |
| konttori_work | onenand has 4k afaik. | 23:10 |
| RST38h | konttori: probably wouldn't solve the problem though | 23:10 |
| konttori_work | it's the movinand that has like... 512k. | 23:10 |
| RST38h | Well... | 23:10 |
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| ab | konttori_work, | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | if it's actually 4k erase block then it'd been nice :-) | 23:10 |
| Sicelo | j ##nokiacxn | 23:11 |
| RST38h | konttori: Actually, decreasing swappiness to 30% makes things bearable, especially if you do not quit most often used apps (phone, messaging, and xterm for me) | 23:11 |
| Sicelo | omg | 23:11 |
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| ShadowJK | Well.. I saw funny effects reducing swappiness.. device spent most of the time dropping executables and libraries from ram and rereading from emmc/onenand | 23:12 |
| konttori_work | wohoo! My JL headphones have arrived. | 23:12 |
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| ShadowJK | for me it just acted as a knob deciding whether traffic was mostly in "si so" columns or "bi bo" columns of vmstat, and it seemed to accomplish stuff faster with higher swappiness, as long as swap wasn't fragmented... in which case it seemed like read-heavy setting became faster (but still slower than original situatuin) | 23:14 |
| konttori_work | http://wesc.com/product/39569 <--- I have been yearning for those ever since I saw somebody wearing them on a tram stop. | 23:15 |
| RST38h | look regular enough | 23:15 |
| konttori_work | I really hope they sound as good as they look. | 23:15 |
| konttori_work | Goes really well with my white NXX | 23:15 |
| hawai`i | They don't sound as good as they look, nor do they even really look good. | 23:15 |
| RST38h | although extra points for being actualheadphones, not those little uncomfortable earplugs | 23:15 |
| konttori_work | damn, now you ruined it for me ;) | 23:16 |
| hawai`i | I have a friend who bought a pair after I tried to talk him out ot WeSC. | 23:16 |
| hawai`i | They're as shit as skull candy are. | 23:16 |
| * ShadowJK prefers the earplugs :-) | 23:16 | |
| * RST38h got a BH-905, only to find out they tend to fall off the head | 23:16 | |
| ShadowJK | I'd want some shure ones, but availability is challenging | 23:16 |
| konttori_work | hawai`i: really. Oh well, it's only money. | 23:16 |
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| hawai`i | I have the 905 and 504 on my desk and generally pick up the 504 most of the time. | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Other than that (and Maemo5 bug with receiving phone calls), perfect | 23:17 |
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| konttori_work | Anyway, now to bed. Let's see if I end up waking up at 5 AM | 23:18 |
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| konttori_work | night all! | 23:18 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders about the rumoured draconian no-rooting no-upgrading no-fun fud :-) | 23:19 | |
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| RST38h | we will see | 23:20 |
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| hawai`i | Half and half. Can be enabled or disabled. | 23:21 |
| smhar | docScrutinizer, I checked the log for the date you gave me, but it does not seem to have any solution to 'unlock' the lock key? http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-06-17.log.html | 23:21 |
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| RST38h | sleep | 23:22 |
| ShadowJK | I see nokia's website is as hekpful as ever. I click "how to buy" link in MicroB on N900, and the site tells me to download Ovi Maps to get seller locations, and then microb went into minute long swapstorm :@ | 23:23 |
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| ShadowJK | ..followed by 32wd_to.. the firsrt I've ever experienced on that N900, had it 10 months :D | 23:25 |
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| vi__ | how does one hire an n900? | 23:32 |
| vi__ | with a mono-stilt | 23:34 |
| vi__ | . | 23:34 |
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| GeneralAntilles | ##nokiacnxn | 23:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Fools. | 23:42 |
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| javispedro | it was #nokcnxn | 23:46 |
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