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| thopiekar | hi.. is there anyway to get a "Esc" key on the N900? | 00:02 |
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| thp | thopiekar: you could remap the keyboard: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard | 00:03 |
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| thopiekar | thanks | 00:09 |
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| trumee | thopiekar: you can get hold of ntpdate for fixing time problems, http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/ | 00:11 |
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| thopiekar | well, thanks, again ;) | 00:11 |
| trumee | thopiekar: unfortunately, i am away from home so cant test your binaries | 00:11 |
| trumee | thopiekar: but where are we at the moment ? ;) | 00:12 |
| thopiekar | at home | 00:12 |
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| thopiekar | playback works but a shame that I can't get quit a view.,. | 00:12 |
| trumee | thopiekar: ah | 00:13 |
| thopiekar | because the Esc key is missing | 00:13 |
| trumee | thopiekar: you can enable network control and telnet to mythtv | 00:13 |
| trumee | thopiekar: telnet localhost 6546 | 00:13 |
| thopiekar | dunno if I have enabled :D | 00:13 |
| trumee | thopiekar: so is it Livetv which you tested? | 00:14 |
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| trumee | thopiekar: another option could be to use easystroke with mythtv | 00:15 |
| thopiekar | yes but the video is bad.. I think I'll need to fix the resolution | 00:15 |
| trumee | thopiekar:is this SDTV? | 00:15 |
| thopiekar | yes | 00:15 |
| trumee | thopiekar: my guess SDTV has a higher resolution than max resolution of N900 | 00:16 |
| thopiekar | I wouldn't try to watch HDTV | 00:16 |
| thopiekar | myth should scale it.. | 00:16 |
| thopiekar | we can expect HDTV in 0.25 when they enable OpenGL ES support | 00:16 |
| trumee | thopiekar: did you have to disable opengl? | 00:16 |
| thopiekar | opengl != opengl es | 00:17 |
| trumee | thopiekar: yes, aware of that | 00:17 |
| trumee | thopiekar: cpu usage is 100% atm? | 00:17 |
| thopiekar | dunno still trying to fix the keybindings :D | 00:17 |
| trumee | thopiekar: you can always ssh into the device. | 00:18 |
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| thopiekar | got it | 00:19 |
| thopiekar | :D | 00:19 |
| trumee | thopiekar: try to use the slim playback profile. | 00:19 |
| thopiekar | ok set it now.. I'll check a recording now | 00:19 |
| thopiekar | k, the video is lagging.. | 00:20 |
| thopiekar | I'll play with the ringbuffer settings later | 00:21 |
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| trumee | thopiekar: did you have to disable mythtranscode? | 00:21 |
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| thopiekar | yes to make the code qt3 independen | 00:22 |
| thopiekar | t | 00:22 |
| trumee | thopiekar: i wonder if mythtranscode does the video scaling | 00:22 |
| thopiekar | going to take a bath.. so you later ;) | 00:23 |
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| trumee | thopiekar: right, later | 00:23 |
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| angelox | Hi all | 00:29 |
| angelox | flashed my phone and it now says "no initfs \o/" | 00:30 |
| angelox | what should i do? | 00:30 |
| andre__ | angelox, what phone, and what software version? | 00:31 |
| andre__ | (well - I assume N900, but still) | 00:31 |
| angelox | n900 | 00:31 |
| angelox | you are asking about phone software or my pc software? | 00:31 |
| andre__ | phone | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode | 00:32 |
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| andre__ | and the version you try to install on the N900? | 00:32 |
| andre__ | what's the exact complete command you used? | 00:32 |
| angelox | i was trying install another distribution,was running in maemo pr 1.2 i guess... | 00:33 |
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| andre__ | angelox, well, which distribution? | 00:34 |
| angelox | on phone? SHR | 00:34 |
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| andre__ | so you get "no initfs" when trying to install SHR? or when trying to install back Maemo on it? | 00:34 |
| GNUtoo | when he's trying to get back maemo | 00:34 |
| angelox | yes,when i tried to install back maemo kernel... | 00:35 |
| andre__ | I'd try first what MohammadAG wrote (might be related that R&D is enabled) | 00:35 |
| angelox | btw,i'm from Brazil and i'm downloading from here a full image http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php,could i download a USA release? | 00:35 |
| angelox | ok,i'll try | 00:35 |
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| angelox | Unable to enumerate USB devices! | 00:36 |
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| vldcnst | andre__: is ferenc still the sysadmin? | 00:37 |
| andre__ | vldcnst, one of them, yeah | 00:38 |
| angelox | "I'm from Brazil and i'm downloading from here a full image http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php,could i download a USA release? " Sorry,i said wrong,it was about UK release | 00:38 |
| vldcnst | andre__: I sent him some important emails a few weeks ago and still no response. Might I forward them to you? (maemo.org vulnerabilities related) | 00:39 |
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| andre__ | vldcnst: not that I can do something myself but I can try to ping people. feel free to | 00:39 |
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| vldcnst | andre__: andre@maemo? | 00:41 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Hello ! | 00:42 |
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| Khertan_n900 | http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-lankku-n9-01-leaked-photos/#4237442 | 00:44 |
| Khertan_n900 | i hope this is'nt that | 00:45 |
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| Khertan_n900 | look like no keyboard | 00:45 |
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| Proteous | :/ | 00:45 |
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| vldcnst | Khertan_n900: http://pocketnow.com/android/nokia-n9-first-press-shots | 00:45 |
| vldcnst | looks identical, so yeah | 00:45 |
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| cehteh | i think i saied about one year ago "the n900 successor will be more sleek and mainstream but piss off all geeks" | 00:46 |
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| Khertan_n900 | the n810 is more sleek than n900 | 00:47 |
| Khertan_n900 | vldcnst it s rumors. But hum no keyboard will made this MeeGo a NoGo for me | 00:48 |
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| cehteh | no stylus either and very likely a capacitative touchscreen | 00:49 |
| thopiekar | trumee: I'm back | 00:49 |
| vldcnst | Khertan_n900: there are rumours this will be the consumer device and the dev (n950?) will be the one with qwerty and stuff | 00:49 |
| javispedro | but no resisitve either | 00:50 |
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| cehteh | no freenode too | 00:50 |
| Khertan_n900 | :) | 00:50 |
| javispedro | spiiiit. | 00:50 |
| javispedro | oh. | 00:50 |
| javispedro | I meant split. | 00:50 |
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| javispedro | but spit was good too. | 00:50 |
| Khertan_n900 | oh god if it s true i hope a real manufacturer will give us a MeeGo Handset ! | 00:51 |
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| Khertan_n900 | And why announce that so late in the night for European. Europe is clearly not a targeted market | 00:52 |
| angelox_123 | what's the difference between Global Version and UK version from Maemo's releases? | 00:52 |
| javispedro | singapore is, khertan. | 00:52 |
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| angelox_123 | someone? | 00:53 |
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| Khertan_n900 | javispedro singapore is'nt buying chineese meego device ? | 00:54 |
| Khertan_n900 | :) | 00:54 |
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| angelox_123 | no one? | 00:58 |
| cehteh | someone what? | 00:59 |
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| angelox_123 | what's the difference between Global Version and UK version from Maemo's releases? Can i use a UK version in a phone from BRAZIL? | 00:59 |
| javispedro | khertan: singapore buys anything once elop plants atrojan horse in the country | 01:00 |
| javispedro | ! | 01:00 |
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| cehteh | angelox_123: its just software, you can reflash the international firmware image anyways | 01:01 |
| cehteh | the only hardware difference could be the keyboard layout | 01:01 |
| angelox_123 | ok,so i can flash? | 01:01 |
| angelox_123 | without problems | 01:01 |
| _trine | I would like to know what the difference is between the UK version and others | 01:01 |
| cehteh | yes i think so | 01:02 |
| angelox_123 | ok thanks | 01:02 |
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| cehteh | maybe some regulation .. radio transmitter and receiver frequency range? | 01:02 |
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| _trine | I just wonder why they go to the trouble of having different versions | 01:02 |
| angelox_123 | ok thanks | 01:04 |
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| x29a | the qt sdk 1.1 is the way to go (no sandbox no more?) when developing for the n900 on maemo freemantle? | 01:05 |
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| angelox | Anyone with a solution for this? Unable to enumerate USB buses! Already tried manage blacklist | 01:16 |
| mrsellout | try sudo flasher .... | 01:17 |
| angelox | already as root | 01:17 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Arbitrary TLDs | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I like it. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | http://GeneralAntilles/ could work | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | I wonder how many big companies are going to buy in. | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | All you need is to plop down $150K | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | If only I had $180,000 | 01:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | app.ple | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it 180K, or 180k/year? | 01:53 |
| SpeedEvil | linux | 01:53 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Don't remember. | 01:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed - I'm unlikely to be buying it. | 01:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I do have a four letter .com | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | But - ... :) | 01:56 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders the virtues of staying up another hour. | 03:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | 'iTWire reported they received an invitation from Nokia Australia for an announcement and demo of a “new market disrupting device” on June 21st.' - it's a ICBM, running meego, pointed at Cupertino. | 03:16 |
| angelox | great | 03:19 |
| nox- | hmm so it really not just rumors? | 03:20 |
| nox- | its even | 03:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | 'a market disrupting device' does not inherently mean a purchasable device. | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It could be something new and innovative that nobodies thought of before, like a netbook, into which plugs a phone. | 03:26 |
| nox- | true | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, that's already existing :-) | 03:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I know. | 03:29 |
| * SpeedEvil says screwit, and gets a coffee and begins assembling his teeny oven. | 03:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmmmm coffee | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 03:48 |
| infobot | rumour has it, xyawn is nap | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | her advice is different | 03:48 |
| SpeedEvil | On a random matter. I s anyone aware of reverse engineering of Opera Turbo? | 03:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | ##nokiacnxn | 03:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Because in here, it might cause the flow of vibrant communication to be disrupted. | 03:52 |
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| dragly | Will the Nokia Connection event be streamed? | 03:53 |
| Ken-Young | dragly, Yes. | 03:54 |
| nusse | so we will get another nokia phone running what? | 03:56 |
| dragly | Ken-Young: Where? I haven't seen any links. And bambuser seems to be down at the moment. | 03:57 |
| dragly | (Not sure if I'll stay up, though.) | 03:57 |
| Ken-Young | dragly, I was afraid you'd ask me that. I'll hunt around for it. | 03:57 |
| dragly | Ken-Young: Thanks! :) I have been hunting around on the event website, the "EPIC" thread and more, but without success :( | 03:58 |
| Ken-Young | dragly, Oh God - nobody will ever find anything in the Epic Thread. | 03:59 |
| loft306 | been searchenf round nhe connection site for hours trying to find link | 04:00 |
| dragly | Ken-Young: I figured that out. Every time I've been looking at it there is another page. And I've set the Talk settings to list 40 posts or so on each page. | 04:00 |
| nid0 | supposedly itll be up at http://www.nokiaconnection.net/?sf1664920=1 | 04:01 |
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| Ken-Young | I've read it will be streamed here: http://www.nokiaconnection.net/index.php | 04:01 |
| dragly | If something is disruptive today, it is the traffic in that thread. | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It's scrolling faster than /b/ | 04:01 |
| loft306 | that is what i heave read too Ken-Young / nid0 | 04:02 |
| Ken-Young | dragly, This page: http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/item/13019_Nokia_Connection_event_takes_p.php claims it will be streamed at that site. | 04:02 |
| dragly | Ken-Young: Thanks. I suppose they are running around thinking about everything else but to set up the stream over in Singapore right now. | 04:03 |
| Ken-Young | loft306, My experience has been these streamed sessions work about 10% of the times that they are advertised. | 04:03 |
| loft306 | if your on the rite os with the rite browser | 04:04 |
| loft306 | anssh the whole bloody thing dont crash | 04:04 |
| nid0 | it is amazing how huge globocorps can struggle with making a video of a planned-in-advance-for-ages event available online | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 04:05 |
| Ken-Young | TexRat will be tweeting during the event. That might be a safer bet. | 04:06 |
| dragly | Yes. I've been attending to a few events where the video surfaces 6-7 months later or even never. But that was mostly non-profits with volunteers. | 04:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I think I'm completely comfortable with waiting here for the "news" impacting | 04:06 |
| dragly | I was just hoping Nokia would have things set up in due time. | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | *yawn* | 04:07 |
| dragly | DocScrutinizer: You're right :) Might as well wait for the pics and videos to surface. | 04:08 |
| loft306 | hey its Nokia | 04:08 |
| loft306 | that and ontime dont go in tehsame sentance | 04:08 |
| ShadowJK | i thought it was an hour from now | 04:08 |
| Ken-Young | ShadowJK, THat's right. | 04:08 |
| dragly | But I must admit I was looking forward to see how Elop would present Meego. Would he look excited? | 04:08 |
| ShadowJK | right | 04:08 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why everybody is so excited about presentation of s stylish toaster with rubber feet | 04:09 | |
| dragly | loft306: Haha. We should probably wait till next week for the event to actually have happened. | 04:10 |
| Ken-Young | I MUST KNOW NOW | 04:10 |
| loft306 | awww | 04:10 |
| dragly | DocScrutinizer: I'm not excited about Elop's presentation. I'm just really curious if his love for WP will shine through or not :-p | 04:10 |
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| Ken-Young | Well at least Elop has the sense to hold the event as far as possible from the place Gates got the pie thrown in his face. | 04:12 |
| loft306 | haha | 04:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | ##nokiacnxn | 04:12 |
| dragly | Ken-Young: Hehehe :D | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | WHAT? | 04:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: any further explanations about that chan?? | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, BE THERE | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | why? | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, just the channel for the conference chatter. | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | All the cool people are there. | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmpf | 04:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, excepting you, though. :P | 04:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't give a flying F* about what Nokia is going to announce | 04:19 |
| dragly | DocScrutinizer: Not interested? Or tired of Nokia? | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've put my money on "SUCKS" like 18h ago | 04:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, well, come whine with us. | 04:20 |
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| Ken-Young | Don't spoil Christmas Eve! | 04:20 |
| dragly | DocScrutinizer: Hehe. I see. | 04:20 |
| Ken-Young | I know we'll get socks, but we can still hope for 40 more minutes. | 04:20 |
| dragly | Are we getting socks?! :o | 04:21 |
| Ken-Young | Used. | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | this seems more like a wedding where everybody likes to join just to cry about why it's not him/her that is standing there saying "yes" | 04:21 |
| dragly | My expectations just raised to a new level. | 04:21 |
| dragly | And now you lowered them again... | 04:21 |
| dragly | DocScrutinizer: Nice analogy. | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | while I think "fsck off, bitch" | 04:23 |
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| loft306 | http://streamstudio.world-television.com/CCUIv3/frameset.aspx?ticket=678-750-9907&target=en-default-&status=preview&browser=ns-0-0-0-10-0&stream=flash-video-500 | 04:28 |
| Ken-Young | loft306, Thanks! | 04:29 |
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| loft306 | np it popped up in the channel ch e chatter went to | 04:31 |
| loft306 | https://twitter.com/#!/nokia/status/82982390078771201 though just points to same stream | 04:33 |
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| Ken-Young | So, DocScrutinizer, if you've gu pinning your hopes on these days?iven up on Nokia, what phone, if any, are yo | 04:35 |
| Ken-Young | So, DocScrutinizer, if you've given up on Nokia, what phone, if any, are yoyou pinning your hopes on these days (sorrya about the glitch)? | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900, what else | 04:35 |
| Ken-Young | Good man! | 04:35 |
| Ken-Young | Are you playing with Meego? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just starting about making myself feel comfy with maemo | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm one of that sort of guys that always visit same place for holiday, you know | 04:37 |
| Ken-Young | Do you find the gta04 interesting at all? | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not testing a new brand of tea each week | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ken-Young: basically gta04 is interesting, but stillborn | 04:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and honestly, the LCM and case are both crap ;-D | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the LCD is not bad at all, but the touchpannel is abysmal | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, well. Even the LCD controller is a piece of crap | 04:42 |
| Ken-Young | Well, I'm impressed with what they've done. I never thought they'd produce anything. I am glad I was wrong. | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, Nikolaus did an amazing job | 04:42 |
| johnx | mornin' all | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | morn johnx | 04:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Morning. | 04:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Ken-Young: and still I don't see this device ever passing GSM cert, simply for economic reasons. So basically you must not use it as a phone | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd even questionable if selling it is legal | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | It's* | 04:46 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, I'll bet I can use it on T-Mobile anyway (if I can get one). T-Mobile doesn't seem to care at all what phone you use on their network. | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | no carrier except a few rogue ones in Korea and Japan does | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ut users might run into severe trouble whenever somebody really cares | 04:48 |
| * ShadowJK tried a imei:000000... device once, didn't work | 04:49 | |
| Ken-Young | I'll certainly buy one if I ever get the opportunity to do so. It's gotta be the all-time nerdliest phone. | 04:49 |
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| jpinxrem1teshell | Ken-Young: which phone? I am in Thailand and can get most wierd stuff;) | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's definitely illegal to use uncertified transmitters, unless you are a developer or got a amateur radio licence - and even then you mustn't use sucha device as a regular everyday phone | 04:50 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, I've got a Ham license... | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you know about the situation and legislation | 04:51 |
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| Ken-Young | jpinxrem1teshell, We're discussing the gta04 phone, the community-developed successor to the Openmoko Freerunner. | 04:51 |
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| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, I'll just send morse code. | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, it's not exactly community-developed | 04:52 |
| * jpinx googles... | 04:52 | |
| jpinx | gta04 phone, the community-developed successor to the Openmoko Freerunner. | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx: searchword goldelico | 04:53 |
| Ken-Young | Well, Beagleboard/Freerunner Frankenstein monser, then. | 04:53 |
| Ken-Young | s/monser/monster/ | 04:53 |
| infobot | Ken-Young meant: Well, Beagleboard/Freerunner Frankenstein monster, then. | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's more like Nikolaus decided to do the job all on his own (with a little help from 1 or 2 others unknown) | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | community contribution been, well... exactly zero | 04:55 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, I was unaware of that. | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | for community driven hw development, check out qi-hardware, even #qi-hardware, the successor of the better parts of Openmoko | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | google for atben/atusb to find true community driven hw development | 04:56 |
| Ken-Young | That hardware's just a bit too limited for my taste. It's like a 1990 pocket organizer. | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the Ben NanoNote? indeed, it's not meant to be anything beyond that | 04:57 |
| Ken-Young | I know. But if you have to be that limited to be fully open, I don't think it's worth it. | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're free to start a more ambitioned project over there. I bet you're welcome | 04:59 |
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| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, I've corresponded a very little bit with them, but I have no hardware skills. | 05:00 |
| Ken-Young | I pat myself on the back for an hour when I get a flashlight working. | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | funny enough how excitement about that supposed disruptive new device of Nokia seized all this chan, while #meego* went without taking any notice | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | ##nokiacnxn | 05:01 |
| GeneralAntilles | Be there or be square. | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see what I meant? :-P | 05:02 |
| jpinx | looks lke fun :)heh | 05:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm demonstrating what's my attitude towards Nokia roadmap and new devices emerging from that, by ignoring this chan, the event, and everything about it | 05:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly whatever it is they may announce, I neither like the guy announcing it nor by any chance the announced item itself | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | at very best it boils down to "this is our first and last 'meego' device, comes with an OS chimera that we think looks really cute in the eyes of an andridiot" | 05:07 |
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| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, ssssh. | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh, witnessing the flying tomatoes could be real fun, so... /joining | 05:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fuckin hoax | 05:19 |
| Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, You're watching the stream? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | "you need to enable cookies on your brwoser" what definitely I did | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | "recursive link, aborted" | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | simply stalling | 05:20 |
| NIN101 | yes this page is so fucked. | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I already regret going outa my way and paying any attention to this fsckup | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the end I'll win my bet on "SUCKS", no matter what | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and if there's really a huge stinking foul ostrich egg hitting and killing Elop, I'm sure I'll see the pretty cut edition on youtube tomorrow | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | just next to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | if no such event, it's a rather boring way to waste my time anyway, to watch that presentation | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean it's not like watching p0rn to see Elop pulling a pink device out of his pocket | 05:26 |
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| trx | wtf is she doing with her jaws? | 05:30 |
| trx | eating some food remains or what? | 05:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freenode: >>We would like to express our thanks to those individual donors and corporate sponsors who made the 2008/2009 fundraiser a massive success! In particular, Canonical Ltd (you know, the company behind Ubuntu, who generously donated £1700.00!).<< ROTFL GBP1700 | 05:33 |
| trx | lol | 05:34 |
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| Termana | good morning | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly shuttleworth better hadn't done this at all | 05:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: morning | 05:36 |
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| Termana | <DocScrutinizer> honestly shuttleworth better hadn't done this at all <--- has anyone really been far even decided to use even go want to do look more like? | 05:40 |
| Termana | Are you meaning to say - it would have been better for him if had not donated the money? | 05:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: parser segfailt | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: a multimillion $$$ company donating 1700 GBP just looks really really bad. Better do nothing than this | 05:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I mean that's probably the anount of electric energy the freenode servers need for one week hosting #ubuntu | 05:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | ##nokiacnxn | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so if *you* went to donate 1700GBP to freenode fundraiser campaign as you're so happy about #ubuntu, everybody says "kudos". If ""ubuntu"" themselves aka canonical is donating 1700, it's a nasty joke | 05:45 |
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| * DocScrutinizer is wondering if everybody joining that nonsense over in that other chan already got drunk by now | 05:47 | |
| DocScrutinizer | or committed suicide as Nokia announced they opted to go for winCE for their new devices | 05:47 |
| ds3 | go yocto go | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | err? | 05:48 |
| * jpinx agrees with DocScrutinizer | 05:50 | |
| jpinx | nokia have lost it,,, | 05:50 |
| loft306 | N9 | 05:51 |
| jpinx | shame, they used to make good phones, but lost the plot some years ago | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, watching Elop isn't exactly like watching the drowning man, as Elop is more like the one supposed to help but actually pushing the drowning one under water even more, deliberately | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | loft306: wut? | 05:52 |
| loft306 | they kust announced it | 05:52 |
| loft306 | just | 05:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh WOW *cough* giggle | 05:52 |
| Ken-Young | loft306, THey still haven't mentioned the OS> | 05:52 |
| loft306 | not yet | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | which definitely will be "meego"-harmattan chimera crap | 05:53 |
| ds3 | can't afford to shutdown the market by dropping too much in a single day ;) | 05:53 |
| loft306 | -tould me harmattas | 05:53 |
| loft306 | nyping with kb in lap aint easy | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-21 04:07:32] <DocScrutinizer> at very best it boils down to "this is our first and last 'meego' device, comes with an OS chimera that we think looks really cute in the eyes of an andridiot" | 05:54 |
| jpinx | it spoke volumes when the main guy for meego left | 05:54 |
| jpinx | extended leave? <joke> | 05:55 |
| Ken-Young | Doesn't Baldy know we want to see him run a python script in a shell window? | 05:55 |
| ds3 | you mean the time it takes CE to boot? ;) | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | bet he never heard about shell windows or python | 05:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: ECHAN? | 05:57 |
| loft306 | http://webcast.nokia.com/CCUIv3/imageSlides.aspx?image=slide_065&status=live&ticket=678-750-9907&target=en | 05:57 |
| loft306 | only 8mp carl zeiss | 05:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mmpf | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're aware that, given formfactor, you're better off with 5MP than with 12 ? | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil will love to explain to you in gory detail why huge number of megapixel is absolutely useless for a sensor of <1cm^3 | 05:59 |
| loft306 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/ | 05:59 |
| loft306 | ok so the n950 is the developer phone | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | FUCK CLEAN MODERN LOOK AND FEEL!! | 06:01 |
| loft306 | its /l/i-ted at the bottom of that page | 06:01 |
| loft306 | *listed | 06:01 |
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| loft306 | http://swipe.nokia.com/ | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, no hw kbd -> ***USELESS*** | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | take your N9 and eat it | 06:03 |
| Ken-Young | I want one if it's Meego. | 06:03 |
| Ken-Young | Oh, it is. | 06:03 |
| loft306 | qt lives | 06:03 |
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| loft306 | meego | 06:04 |
| internetishard | anything confirmed for after the n900 yet? | 06:04 |
| jpinx | DocScrutinizer: plug-in kbd? | 06:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | screwit | 06:04 |
| jpinx | ok - screw-in then ;) | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | see, I was able to "plug in kbd" to my old 6210 of 1999. Using a N810 "kbd" | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't need nor want yetanother iPhone-me-too | 06:06 |
| Choom | when's the N9 coming out? | 06:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares? | 06:06 |
| Choom | the one asking the question | 06:06 |
| GeneralAntilles | Choom, "Later this year" | 06:07 |
| Choom | aight, thanks | 06:07 |
| jpinx | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/ | 06:07 |
| Choom | is there a list of hs specifications? | 06:07 |
| Choom | I didn't manage to find one on that site | 06:08 |
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| loft306 | as usual didnt give a ship date | 06:08 |
| Choom | oh | 06:09 |
| Choom | they're there on the right | 06:09 |
| Choom | The document you tried to retrieve does not exist on this server. You might have misspelled the name of the file, or the link is outdated. Please remove the incorrect bookmark or inform an administrator. | 06:09 |
| Choom | nevermind... | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, it's been pretty obvious since months if not "years" meego is heading towards a crippled iphone/android-alike UX. Now we see the result. I simply hate it | 06:10 |
| jpinx | heh - nokia at their best :/ | 06:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer hugs his N900 | 06:11 | |
| * DocScrutinizer hugs his other N900 | 06:12 | |
| * DocScrutinizer starts watching ebay for cheap 3rd and 4th and 5th N900 | 06:12 | |
| jpinx | my N900 is doing well - need a 2nd one for a 2nd sim card ;) | 06:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer hugs his both N810, so they don't feel sad | 06:13 | |
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| * jpinx is waiting for the chinese to make a n900 dualsim version ;) | 06:13 | |
| lofty306 | lol | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | only part that *constantly* sucked on all maemo devices been the vkbd. Quite obvious reasonable decision to go for a hw-kbd-less N9 ;-P | 06:14 |
| Choom | don't tell me their big innovation is ... swipe? | 06:14 |
| Choom | not even something with multitouch? | 06:14 |
| internetishard | Yeah, I don't want the next n900 to come out yet | 06:15 |
| internetishard | I like my n900 | 06:15 |
| internetishard | Don't want to have to spend anymore | 06:15 |
| internetishard | and redo all my configs | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: 100% on your page | 06:15 |
| internetishard | Though I still need a work around to automatically connect to only my home wifi, and nothing else besides the gsm connection | 06:16 |
| Choom | I do, though I may end up joining the iphone bandwagon if it turns out to be crap | 06:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer doesn't really wish all the best to N9 "meego" | 06:16 | |
| internetishard | How's cosmology going DocScrutinizer? | 06:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, seems they still got no answer what's dark energy, not to mention dark mater | 06:17 |
| internetishard | Because it is a mathematical fudge factor to correct the big bang theory | 06:17 |
| internetishard | so it doesn't look ridiculous in the face of new observations | 06:17 |
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| bindi | oh hi | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and /me is still wondering if there shouldn't be planets made of dark mater out there | 06:17 |
| bindi | so, n9's out now D: | 06:17 |
| internetishard | what is your training on this topic DocScrutinizer? | 06:17 |
| Ken-Young | They'd microlense. | 06:18 |
| Choom | bindi: I wish | 06:18 |
| lofty306 | shipping later this year they say | 06:18 |
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| bindi | announced/released whatever :P | 06:18 |
| bindi | wondering what kind of cpu does it have | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: my training on any topic is, well unconventional | 06:18 |
| internetishard | That's cool | 06:18 |
| internetishard | I mean, what did you read, etc | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a strict start-early-start-solitaire approach | 06:18 |
| lofty306 | swipe.nokia.com bindi | 06:19 |
| Choom | I'm more concerned about its sensors and touchscreen | 06:19 |
| bindi | lofty306: yes? | 06:19 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer, what do you think of the tired light theory? | 06:19 |
| internetishard | It might be a fun thing to look into | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: TV, internet, occasional scientific mags - for cosmology | 06:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: tired light has quite some appeal to me | 06:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm even pondering a slow change in some cosmological constant that affects light during the billions of years it travels | 06:21 |
| internetishard | It has appeal to me too | 06:21 |
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| internetishard | Do you have any research in being part of a research group? | 06:21 |
| internetishard | Maybe you could help with some software models | 06:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | like a slow tuning of the *global* clock | 06:21 |
| internetishard | Yes, I believe in an evolving universe | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: not enough spare time to waste on that | 06:22 |
| internetishard | but mostly on the local level | 06:22 |
| internetishard | Ah, okay | 06:22 |
| internetishard | Just curious, you seem interested enough | 06:22 |
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| NIN101 | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9-00/check-availability?cid=ncomprod-fw-ilc-bdy-n9lnkms2pp_228x96-na-ms_swipe-g0-en-1todtmt773311 lol not in germany? | 06:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer claims the wins from hiis "SUCKS" bet | 06:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | nihtoo close to me? ;-P | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | NIN101: ^^^ | 06:25 |
| internetishard | N9, no hardware keyboard | 06:26 |
| internetishard | :{{{{ | 06:26 |
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| Choom | http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php | 06:27 |
| Choom | interesting | 06:27 |
| internetishard | ooooooooo | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Choom: haha, that's definitely a hoax, no? | 06:28 |
| NIN101 | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9-00/specifications i would trust this | 06:28 |
| jpinx | Ken-Young: Ken-Young they'd only micro lense anti-light ;) | 06:28 |
| Choom | DocScrutinizer: I don't know | 06:28 |
| internetishard | hopes > /dev/null | 06:29 |
| internetishard | iphone clone that is | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Choom: I don't see that nice slide-out kbd of that picture, in any of the orginal Nokia shots | 06:29 |
| internetishard | I don't think the most efficient interface is something with a bunch of app shortcuts | 06:29 |
| internetishard | any idea of it is resistive or capacitive touch? | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: [2011-06-21 05:06:35] <DocScrutinizer> I don't need nor want yetanother iPhone-me-too | 06:30 |
| internetishard | I kind of got used to resistive, I'd rather have it | 06:30 |
| internetishard | haha^ yep | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-21 05:02:51] <DocScrutinizer> ok, no hw kbd -> ***USELESS*** | 06:30 |
| internetishard | people think I'm chatting to them from my computer still | 06:30 |
| internetishard | still* | 06:30 |
| internetishard | And sometimes they still can't keep up - which is sad | 06:30 |
| internetishard | learn2stenograph | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: for all known it's c-ts | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 06:31 |
| internetishard | using my phone with gloves on in front of other people is so bad ass | 06:31 |
| internetishard | haha | 06:31 |
| Choom | I'd rather have capacitive | 06:31 |
| internetishard | in chicago winters | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | especially sad given the missing hw-kbd | 06:31 |
| internetishard | Choom: then again, you'd almost rather have an iphone | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 06:32 |
| internetishard | and the n9 doesn't look like an easy phone to get a battery out of | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not | 06:32 |
| internetishard | I carry 3 batteries always and can run all the time | 06:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably secured by screws | 06:32 |
| internetishard | ick | 06:32 |
| Choom | internetishard: indeed, too bad apple forces so many restrictions on sw development | 06:32 |
| internetishard | depends what you're after | 06:33 |
| jpinx | internetishard: change batteries without halting the system? | 06:33 |
| internetishard | if it is money, then yeah, go dev for the iphone (or better yet android, depending upon the app) | 06:33 |
| internetishard | I don't no, but I heard people can | 06:33 |
| internetishard | but I get them in and out and booted pretty quickly | 06:33 |
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| internetishard | no fucking around with screws | 06:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | Choom: the extend in which meego is approaching the android way, you're not much better off with an N9 than with an iPhone | 06:33 |
| internetishard | the hardware the n9 packs doesn't seem more open than the n900 | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it isn't | 06:34 |
| Choom | that's not my issue | 06:34 |
| Choom | my issue is not being able to run daemons on an iphone | 06:35 |
| internetishard | Ah fuck | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | N9/meego never been about more openness | 06:35 |
| internetishard | You sure of that DocScrutinizer? | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my book | 06:35 |
| lofty306 | 06:35 | |
| loft306 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Gestures.html | 06:35 |
| internetishard | well, then, I wonder if openmoko will come back or something | 06:35 |
| internetishard | I want my pocket unix workstation | 06:35 |
| internetishard | with limitless modularity | 06:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Modularity is hard. | 06:35 |
| * SpeedEvil should write up this rant. | 06:36 | |
| internetishard | and a pop-out telephone booth | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: OM is dead | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely | 06:36 |
| internetishard | I heard | 06:36 |
| internetishard | if the n9 sucks I want something like openmoko revitalized | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | they came up with a movie bookmark site idea recently | 06:36 |
| internetishard | how expensive is n900s R&D anyway? | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | some mio | 06:36 |
| SpeedEvil | In short - if you want modularity - there are lots of hidden costs to it. You have to pick a size for the module - which will be non optimal for some, not fit for others. You need a case around the module, static protection, extra decoupling, a case and a hole for the module. | 06:36 |
| Choom | if the n9 ends up sucking I'll just buy an iphone 5 | 06:37 |
| SpeedEvil | This weakens and makes the case less stiff. | 06:37 |
| internetishard | someone should front the money and get the best specs in there to make the n900 replacement | 06:37 |
| internetishard | I guess I didn't mean that type of modularity, SpeedEvil | 06:37 |
| SpeedEvil | internetishard: To make a mass market phone with - say - 50000 units up front - you need 10M | 06:37 |
| internetishard | I always wondered how hard it really is | 06:38 |
| internetishard | to plan ahead, to say, make sure the n900 doesn't have gps like today's | 06:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (in reply to SpeedEvil ) all this ends with a rationale it's cheaper to throw everything into one model of non-modular phone than having any changeable modules at all | 06:38 |
| internetishard | I'd still use a resistive screen, I think | 06:38 |
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| internetishard | multitouch though | 06:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | stantum r-ts FTW | 06:39 |
| internetishard | Yes, that is nice | 06:39 |
| internetishard | How hard is it to make a phone that is compatible with cdma & gsm? | 06:40 |
| internetishard | Not that I'd want cdma, but 4g would be nice | 06:40 |
| SpeedEvil | internetishard: CDMA basically means - as you probably mean it - operator approval. | 06:40 |
| SpeedEvil | You literally cannot make a phone if the operator does not want it. | 06:40 |
| lofty306 | if it sux.. ill just revert to the 900 aadn put droid in it too | 06:40 |
| internetishard | Maybe more people would buy such a phone if it closed more of the gap between netbooks and phones | 06:41 |
| internetishard | for example, the next n900 comes with a bluetooth fold up keyboard | 06:41 |
| internetishard | the retards would be like, "no fukcing way" | 06:42 |
| internetishard | thus, opening a new market of sorts | 06:42 |
| internetishard | heh, sorry, when I'm in IRC I'm usually in #startups | 06:42 |
| jpinx | and a projector screen | 06:43 |
| internetishard | hah | 06:43 |
| internetishard | a projector keyboard | 06:43 |
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| internetishard | thoes exist | 06:43 |
| internetishard | but I wouldn't do the projector, of course (I took that as a joke) | 06:43 |
| jpinx | I'd go for an optional projector screen | 06:44 |
| Choom | SpeedEvil: why doesn't the FCC regulate those things? | 06:44 |
| internetishard | because the people who are appointed to the FCC were from the industry | 06:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Choom: It does. | 06:44 |
| internetishard | and get props if they help it | 06:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Choom: But not in the way you want. | 06:44 |
| internetishard | help the industry = help their friends who profit from it | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Choom: GSM came from europe. | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Choom: From phone-makers, and was closed. | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | open | 06:45 |
| SpeedEvil | CDMA came from network operators, and was closed. | 06:45 |
| internetishard | Also, I'd like to have more privacy from the man (men?) than a google phone could offer | 06:46 |
| RST38h | Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 06:48 |
| RST38h | Hello all | 06:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hi RST38h | 06:48 |
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| internetishard | nice talk guys | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you ""missed all the fun"" | 06:48 |
| RST38h | Doc: But at least I got some sleep | 06:48 |
| RST38h | Doc: So, how bad is it? | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | worse | 06:49 |
| internetishard | anyway, if anyone figures out a way to trick my phone into only auto connecting to my home wifi network (not others - but without getting rid of the other wep keys I've saved), then I'd appreciate it. | 06:49 |
| RST38h | Doc: ? | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | a me-too-iPhone | 06:49 |
| RST38h | I am ok with that. Anything specific? | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | no hw kbd, not even configurable mostly | 06:49 |
| internetishard | someone needs to get close to nokias staff/designers and befriend them | 06:49 |
| RST38h | Doc: You mean, no shell? | 06:50 |
| internetishard | I know some girls that would bang them if they promise to put a mechanical keyboard on it | 06:50 |
| Choom | was beginning to think I was alone feeling excited about the me-too-iphone thing | 06:50 |
| krayon | I know some GUYS that'd ... nvm | 06:50 |
| internetishard | haha | 06:50 |
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| jpinx | heh - krayon is volunteering? | 06:51 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: To aid the speedy development of apps for the Nokia N9 smartphone, Nokia has produced a limited number of developer phones, the Nokia N950 phone. This phone isn't available for purchase and can only be obtained through selected developer programs, such as Nokia Developer LaunchPad. | 06:51 |
| Choom | a pocket linux workstation on a me-too-iphone kind of device is exactly what I wish | 06:51 |
| Choom | s/on/in | 06:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I mean "swipe" and "only 3 locations to look at" | 06:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: Ok, so, no keyboard. I can see that. What about the rest though? | 06:52 |
| krayon | jpinx: Depends what we're talking about :/ | 06:52 |
| Choom | I'm also hoping for a digital compass and a multitouch-able capacitive touchscreen this time | 06:53 |
| krayon | jpinx: If it's a newer awesomer N900 and it doesn't have a keyboard then... maybe. | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: obviously no slot for removable storage (read SD card) | 06:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: But a 64GB internal option. | 06:53 |
| RST38h | Doc: Any other bad surprises? | 06:53 |
| RST38h | non removable battery? | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | none for me | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably | 06:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly this device is as boring as a new iPhone variant of case color | 06:54 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Again, I am ok with iPhone, as long as the toilet plunger is taken out of the picture | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely built for another customer target group | 06:55 |
| internetishard | I wonder how many different antennas would have to be used for a phone that had am/fm, gsm, and 4G... | 06:55 |
| RST38h | Doc: If this slab is iPhone sans the plunger,I am all for it | 06:55 |
| Choom | RST38h: same | 06:55 |
| internetishard | i.e. how much does that much more compatibility raise the cost ( or size)? | 06:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: not that many chipsets for 4G yet | 06:56 |
| internetishard | so it is the chipset, not the physical antenna? | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | also like 3G the 3(4)GPP will ask for royalties which are like 10% of sales price of device | 06:58 |
| internetishard | mainly, I want something that does everything. By far the best is the n900 - and I like how obtainable it is. | 06:58 |
| internetishard | fuck | 06:58 |
| internetishard | where can I read about royalties like that? | 06:58 |
| RST38h | Doc: Anyway, so far this looks relatively ok | 06:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yeah it's prolly ok for an iPhone/Andridiot-Me-Too | 06:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I don't think a large number of users that came from N8x0 and hoped for a device that integrates phone functions into their beloved nit, will be happy with this device though, no matter how smart the friggin 3-homes-GUI, no matter how fast the html5-browser | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | my take on it: N900/maemo got taken over by the folks that came to it while actually searching for a Nokia alternative to iPhone. So this "successor" "meego"-phone is definitely abandoning the NIT concept and satisfying this new customer class | 07:03 |
| internetishard | what about the people in charge of building and designing the hardware? | 07:03 |
| internetishard | isn't it their fault or the fault of their employers? | 07:03 |
| internetishard | also, I'm curious about this 4g royalties thing | 07:04 |
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| konttori_work | DocScrutinizer: well, obviously, it's more mainstream, but what don't you like about it? | 07:04 |
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| Choom | most people I know with an N900 did not come from the N8xx crowd, me included | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: basically the whole concept | 07:05 |
| RST38h | Doc: I do think a lot of Maemians will jump to it though | 07:05 |
| jpinx | nor me - I wanted a smaller eeepc that could phone ;) | 07:05 |
| RST38h | Doc: Because, it is still a Maemo device | 07:05 |
| Choom | a linux workstation inside an iphone is all I'm lookignf for, actually | 07:05 |
| konttori_work | ah. that it doesn't have kb? | 07:05 |
| loft306 | i skippd the N8xx | 07:05 |
| RST38h | Just looking mainstream is not a sin | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: main point, yes | 07:05 |
| konttori_work | well, that's something we all yearn for | 07:06 |
| RST38h | Doc: But I do think Nokia will squander it the way it squandered N900, with the burning platform and all :(( | 07:06 |
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| konttori_work | vkb works surprisingly well, but it's never full kb | 07:06 |
| konttori_work | n950 of course does have it | 07:06 |
| RST38h | konttori: Personally, I will be trying to get the N950 instead :) | 07:06 |
| konttori_work | did we announce that? | 07:06 |
| PolarFox | It's more like a "smartphone" less of a computer.. | 07:06 |
| RST38h | konttori: You did. In a single 4-line paragraph at the bottom of N9 developers page. | 07:06 |
| PolarFox | N900 was a computer. That means a tool for a computer type stuff, not just for comms. | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: you know nobody can get a N950 | 07:07 |
| loft306 | doc put in forc an n950 | 07:07 |
| RST38h | Doc: We will see to that =) | 07:07 |
| konttori_work | I have a n950 | 07:07 |
| loft306 | https://meego.com/community/device-program/devices/nokia-n9-devkit | 07:07 |
| Choom | PolarFox: most of my computer-y interactions with my n900 are through ssh | 07:07 |
| konttori_work | But surprisingly, I have been using lankku only | 07:07 |
| RST38h | Doc: It should be available via DDP, and if it is, I am getting it. | 07:07 |
| konttori_work | it's really much better media and all around device | 07:08 |
| loft306 | the 9 or the 950 konttori_work | 07:08 |
| internetishard | well, how do you know what royalties you have to pay for what cutting edge hardware you put in your phone | 07:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: usually you get to know when talking with chip manufs, cert authorities, etc | 07:09 |
| PolarFox | lawyers make money finding out what licenses you need to pay and to who.. :) | 07:09 |
| krayon | :( that thing doesn't look very nice. | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: 250 N950 devices - that's definitely nothing. Plus a nice proof what I definitely dislike about the N9: it obviously needs a developer device as you can't do real work on the main model N9 meant for the lusers | 07:12 |
| konttori_work | no, you can develop on N9 | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why a N950 then? | 07:13 |
| konttori_work | problem is that we don't currently have CE certified versions of it (as far as I recall, that was the reason). | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 07:13 |
| konttori_work | And we wanted to get the devices out to devs as soon as possible | 07:13 |
| konttori_work | I am not 100% sure if that's the ultimate reason, but that's my understanding | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I *might* be interested in a N950, to evaluate and find ways to improve it. I'm definitely not interested in N9 | 07:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: I offered to do such evaluation for the >new device> for Nokia, for free. Nobody been interested, explanation mainly been 'my diction on IRC is mostly erratic' | 07:16 |
| konttori_work | I don't know how we offer the devices. As a dev yu should be able to get one for sure | 07:17 |
| loft306 | konttori_work what cpu in the N9? if you can tell? | 07:17 |
| wmarone | omap3630, it's in the data sheet | 07:18 |
| konttori_work | yeah | 07:18 |
| loft306 | data sheet link 404 | 07:18 |
| loft306 | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/ on this page | 07:18 |
| loft306 | right side | 07:19 |
| PolarFox | http://www.developer.nokia.com/General/File_Not_Found.xhtml | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: those 250 lucky devels applying for a N950 are supposed to contribute to appstore with cute projects. I'm definitely no devel by this definition, as my contributions are more about things like wiki hardware pages, H-E-N USB hostmode enabling, kernel patches, stuff like that | 07:20 |
| wmarone | http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/doc/1-nokia-n9-data-sheet.pdf | 07:20 |
| jpinx | konttori_work: maybe you need real testing rather than developing - to make sure the device actually islly is useful to the maximum number of users | 07:21 |
| loft306 | thnx wmarone | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: *#-enabler... | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: quite in line with what jpinx says | 07:22 |
| jpinx | the n900 was a brilliant concept, but poorly executed in it's original form and has taken a lot of work by guys here to make it really useful | 07:25 |
| mikhas_ | konttori_work, congrats on the N9 ;-) | 07:25 |
| loft306 | konttori_work is the battery integrated or removable? | 07:27 |
| krayon | I think the N900 is by far still the best thing available and I'd be 100% happy if it were a little more powerful and the batteries lasted a little longer. But I fear I'm a minority of a minority. | 07:27 |
| jpinx | krayon: DocScrutinizer came up with a battery-swap routine withour powering down ;) | 07:28 |
| jpinx | s/withour/without | 07:28 |
| mikhas_ | krayon, I am still happy with my N900 | 07:29 |
| jpinx | and nokia would do themselves a huge favour if the devices were dualsim | 07:29 |
| macmaN | krayon: im with u | 07:30 |
| * macmaN put Michael Jackson record on. Yooou are not alooooone | 07:30 | |
| * jpinx earmuffs on | 07:31 | |
| krayon | jpinx: I was unaware of that... that'd be a bit nicer then. I carry 3 batteries on me to get through the day. Not powering down would be good. | 07:31 |
| Choom | I think the n900 is lacking in many aspects | 07:31 |
| rm_you | GAN900: So.... Is the N950 the N9 but with a slider keyboard on the back? would they BOTHER making two versions of the device, one for devs? >_> | 07:32 |
| SpeedEvil | With keyboard device would be 1000% awesome. | 07:32 |
| rm_you | krayon: nah, i'm with you. if i weren't constantly paranoid about it breaking, and if it were a little faster, i would be in heaven | 07:32 |
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| rm_you | i don't want a new phone, i want a more stable n900\ | 07:33 |
| rm_you | SpeedEvil: yes | 07:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | (device, not complete unit) | 07:33 |
| rm_you | SpeedEvil: i could care less about the n9 without a keyboard, but maybe the n950 is the slider version? there was that marketing clip with a new slider... | 07:33 |
| Choom | it's way too thick for a phone, comes with a resistive touchscreen, lacks some sensors that I'd really like to take advantage of (compass, gyroscope), and maemo 5 lacks polish | 07:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Software may make it less so | 07:33 |
| lofty306 | ditto rm_you | 07:33 |
| rm_you | what's wrong with resistive? capacative blows | 07:34 |
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| rm_you | i can't ever get capacative to function properly | 07:34 |
| rm_you | apple seems to have brainwashed everyone into thinking capacative is somehow better T_T | 07:34 |
| rm_you | i'd take resistive hands down any day | 07:35 |
| Choom | rm_you: featurewise it is | 07:35 |
| Choom | you have capacitive styli too | 07:35 |
| rm_you | i use my fingernails 99% of the time | 07:35 |
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| rm_you | like to see someone make them work with a capacative screen <_< | 07:36 |
| Choom | that's because your resistive screen isn't sensitive enough for you to use your fingertips | 07:36 |
| rm_you | maybe capacative fingernail polish? | 07:36 |
| kerio | Choom: haha | 07:36 |
| rm_you | rofl no | 07:36 |
| rm_you | that is *not* why | 07:36 |
| krayon | rm_you: Agreed, res > cap. | 07:36 |
| kerio | why can i use my n900 with my fingers, then? | 07:36 |
| rm_you | my fingers WORK, but fingernails allow for actual precision | 07:36 |
| Choom | kerio: so can I, but it's nowhere nearly as sensitive as a capacitive screen where you barely have to touch | 07:37 |
| krayon | It's funny, I'm starting to see women with fake nails and their index nail is always missing/short :/ | 07:37 |
| rm_you | i'd like to see anyone ever even *joke* about using capacative for art tablets | 07:37 |
| rm_you | it's just not done | 07:37 |
| lofty306 | resistive drives me nuts half the time tapping things 6 times to make it workk | 07:37 |
| kerio | Choom: and why is that bad? | 07:37 |
| kerio | anyway, the n9 will be a horrible failure | 07:37 |
| Choom | kerio: it sucks for dragging stuff over the screen | 07:38 |
| kerio | Choom: stylus | 07:38 |
| rm_you | fingernail | 07:38 |
| rm_you | which is more precise anyway | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway the often quoted mantra of N900 "it's NOT a phone" seems to have shifted for N9 to "it's not a computer" | 07:38 |
| rm_you | can use buttons without them being like an entire inch across | 07:38 |
| kerio | yeah, as i said, it's going to be a horrile failure | 07:38 |
| Choom | rm_you: the US is supposed to be designed for fingers, not styli | 07:39 |
| Choom | err UI* | 07:39 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: To an extent - yes. | 07:39 |
| rm_you | correct | 07:39 |
| rm_you | my point is just that it's far more accurate | 07:39 |
| Choom | use a capacitive stylus | 07:40 |
| Choom | if it matters that much | 07:40 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In principle if it can be a mass market device (though that is looking less likely, I admit) then volume of devs can make it work as a computer for those that want that - to a degree. | 07:40 |
| jpinx | rm_you: grow pointy fingernails? | 07:40 |
| rm_you | whenever my roommate hands me his iphone i have to struggle for a minute or two just to navigate to the right place because it always selects the wrong thing <_< | 07:40 |
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| Choom | I'd trade fingernail usage with uber sensitivity and multitouch any day | 07:40 |
| rm_you | jpinx: lolwut | 07:41 |
| Choom | and then there are also the optic screens | 07:41 |
| Choom | I have one on my desktop | 07:41 |
| Choom | they combine the best of both worlds | 07:41 |
| GeneralAntilles | Choom, a stylus wont make it more precise. | 07:41 |
| * GeneralAntilles dislikes the "uber sensitivity" | 07:41 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Always sending presses I don't intend to. | 07:41 |
| * SpeedEvil also. | 07:41 | |
| rm_you | yes | 07:41 |
| rm_you | THAT | 07:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: ++ | 07:42 |
| Choom | optic = multitouch + sensitivity + being able to touch it with anything, though I don't know how feasible to is to implement those on a phone | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 07:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just say Stantum, to answer that | 07:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc for those who want to know more | 07:44 |
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| krayon | Yeah THAT is awesome. When I first saw that ... I couldn't speak for a minute or two I was that excited... I had to lie down. | 07:45 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:46 |
| rm_you | nice DocScrutinizer | 07:46 |
| Choom | seems quite cool | 07:47 |
| Sazpaimon | its also old and the tech hasn't been used in anything | 07:47 |
| Sazpaimon | which either means that it's expensive to produce or doesnt work as well as advertised | 07:48 |
| rm_you | T_T | 07:48 |
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| macmaN | so is there anything that the new meego device is not better at compared to n900? | 07:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's just everybody hypes capacitive, without knowing shit about what that really means. More often than not capacitive is used as a synonym for multitouch. Then when sourcing is searching for capacitive touchpanel they hardly run into stantum | 07:51 |
| rm_you | macmaN: having a useful keyboard? | 07:51 |
| rm_you | it's MUCH worse at that | 07:51 |
| macmaN | aside from that obviously. purely software wise. | 07:52 |
| macmaN | maemo 5 vs meego 1.2 | 07:52 |
| Sazpaimon | rm_you, you dont know that | 07:52 |
| macmaN | and apps on top of that | 07:52 |
| Sazpaimon | it could have a great virtual keyboard | 07:52 |
| macmaN | hardware specs anywhere? | 07:52 |
| krayon | DocScrutinizer: Oh YOUR joerg_rw? | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 07:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer | 07:52 |
| macmaN | none of the screenshots on swipe.nokia.com show any vkb shots | 07:52 |
| infobot | well, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko | 07:52 |
| rm_you | DocScrutinizer: yeah i was saying earlier, apple just managed to brainwash everyone into thinking that capacative was BETTER, because they were scared of going to market with an inferior technology, so it was easier just to convince people it was better first :P | 07:52 |
| Sazpaimon | the few people that HAVE used the N9 say the vkb is really nice | 07:53 |
| krayon | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for all your awesome posts then :D | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | macmaN: guess why | 07:53 |
| macmaN | :) | 07:53 |
| Sazpaimon | regardless, I signed up for an N950 through the company i develop for | 07:53 |
| rm_you | Sazpaimon: it could have the best vkbd in the world and it would be crap compared to hardware kbd >_> | 07:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | krayon: yo are welcome. Nice to hear you like them | 07:53 |
| Sazpaimon | we specialize in video streaming technology | 07:53 |
| Sazpaimon | so I'm pretty sure we can get a N950 | 07:53 |
| macmaN | rm_you: i feel you with the kb thing, but im kinda torn with the thickness issue that it brings | 07:54 |
| macmaN | unless we can get to a point where we could get a paper thing hw kb... | 07:54 |
| rm_you | i'm holding out hope that the n950 is a slider version of that with a real keyboard T_T\ | 07:54 |
| rm_you | eh, the thickness is well worth it | 07:54 |
| macmaN | paper thin* | 07:54 |
| wmarone | rm_you: it is, but getting your hands on one will probably be... difficult | 07:54 |
| rm_you | i used to carry around a BT keyboard with my n800 everywhere i went | 07:54 |
| rm_you | literally everywhere | 07:54 |
| rm_you | people made fun of me quite a bit <_< | 07:55 |
| kerio | stowaway keyboard ftfw | 07:55 |
| rm_you | so would much rather have it ATTACHED to the phone | 07:55 |
| Sazpaimon | machia, the E7 is only slightly larger than the N8 | 07:55 |
| Sazpaimon | and it has a hwkb | 07:55 |
| rm_you | yeah I will have to sign up for the dev program somehow <_< | 07:55 |
| rm_you | through maemo.org maybe | 07:55 |
| rm_you | i still have some dev cred there... a shred at least <_< | 07:55 |
| rm_you | maybe it will be enough | 07:55 |
| Sazpaimon | rm_you, you can sign up at meego.com for open source devs | 07:56 |
| Sazpaimon | professional developers (like myself) can sign up through nokia.com | 07:56 |
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| rm_you | i don't have a problem just BUYING one tho | 07:56 |
| rm_you | like srsly | 07:56 |
| rm_you | Sazpaimon: i actually have a corp nokia account from the last device program... | 07:56 |
| rm_you | the n900 one | 07:56 |
| rm_you | i wonder if that works... | 07:56 |
| Sazpaimon | give it a try | 07:56 |
| rm_you | hrm. need to find the meego device program page... had it before... | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_you: heard you opted for 128 steps rather than 5, for brightness setting :-) I feel with you - though pobably 12 steps would be enough, from a physiological PoV | 07:58 |
| rm_you | found it | 07:58 |
| rm_you | lol Doc | 07:58 |
| rm_you | did you ever use ABL? | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's ABL? | 07:58 |
| rm_you | Advanced Backlight' | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, can't live without | 07:59 |
| rm_you | the program i wrote like 3 years ago for Diablo | 07:59 |
| rm_you | lol | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, it's simple brightness though | 07:59 |
| rm_you | you still on n800 then? :P | 07:59 |
| rm_you | ah | 07:59 |
| rm_you | yeah that was Qwerty | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd have to check what's on my diablo device | 07:59 |
| rm_you | prolly ABL | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | likely | 08:00 |
| rm_you | does it combine volume and backlight? | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:00 |
| rm_you | and allow rotation? | 08:00 |
| rm_you | :P | 08:00 |
| rm_you | yeah | 08:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno about rotation | 08:00 |
| rm_you | it will just show up in there | 08:00 |
| rm_you | if you install the right version of Xomap and xrandr | 08:00 |
| rm_you | ^_^ | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, never did | 08:00 |
| rm_you | that was jott | 08:00 |
| rm_you | miss that guy, lol | 08:01 |
| konttori_work | DocScrutinizer: there will be extras devel and you can be as hard core as you want | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: sorry? please rephrase | 08:01 |
| konttori_work | jpinx-away: well, at the moment, we are doing a lot of QA ourselves and now that we can start using it in public, we'll be able to have very widespread real world issue reporting from all of our internal devs | 08:02 |
| konttori_work | DocScrutinizer: that we are not blocking you from changing kernel or anything else | 08:02 |
| konttori_work | you don't need to do cute, you can do hardcore | 08:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, you suggest I try to apply for N950 lease nevertheless? :-) | 08:03 |
| konttori_work | mikhas_: thanks! loft306: it's removable, but behind screws and display. Not easy, but I've done it a few times. | 08:03 |
| mikhas_ | we need kernel guys | 08:03 |
| konttori_work | It's perfectly safe to do, but not something you do on the road | 08:03 |
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| konttori_work | DocScrutinizer: why not | 08:03 |
| konttori_work | I'm waiting for overclocked kernel. | 08:03 |
| ShadowJK | can one buy a N950? | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | just thought it'd be useless as I clearly don't fulfill the prerequisites of being an app devel | 08:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: nope | 08:04 |
| konttori_work | With aegis reporting true without any checks (saves RAM, speeds up boot times). | 08:04 |
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| konttori_work | ShadowJK: no, n950 is strictly dev device | 08:04 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 08:05 |
| konttori_work | DocScrutinizer: fill it in. I'll discuss with developer program guys that we need a few community hackers as well | 08:06 |
| robbiethe1st | konttori_work:I didn't know it was anything more than a name and meego device coming out in the next year | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | konttori_work: will do | 08:06 |
| Sazpaimon | is tmo dead? | 08:07 |
| Sazpaimon | or down | 08:07 |
| Sazpaimon | i can connect to maemo.org but not tmo | 08:08 |
| Sazpaimon | oh wait there it goes it was just slow | 08:08 |
| ShadowJK | if I wait 2-3 yers will we get a real kb? :( | 08:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | With WP7! | 08:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | (or 8) | 08:10 |
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| ShadowJK | :( | 08:11 |
| lofty306 | thnx konttori_work! | 08:11 |
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| lofty306 | umm | 08:11 |
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| achipa | yipee, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html is up !!! | 08:13 |
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| Sazpaimon | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html | 08:14 |
| Sazpaimon | N950 firmware? | 08:14 |
| GonzoTheGreat | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/showdoc.php?pkn=qmafw&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9xbWFmdw%3D%3D | 08:15 |
| wmarone | Sazpaimon: not in 2 bytes :) | 08:15 |
| Sazpaimon | wmarone, select one | 08:16 |
| Sazpaimon | the linux one specifically | 08:16 |
| Sazpaimon | it downloads as 600MB | 08:16 |
| wmarone | weird, they need to fix the listing | 08:16 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 08:16 |
| Khertan_n900 | Ouch the news no keyboard on the n9, hard wake up | 08:16 |
| Sazpaimon | but if it's just a standard FIASCO image we shold see if we can make it work on an N900 | 08:16 |
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| Sazpaimon | or qemu | 08:16 |
| wmarone | could give it a shot, probably not enough RAM in the N900 to do much of anything | 08:17 |
| wmarone | considering the target device | 08:17 |
| Sazpaimon | Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin | 08:17 |
| wmarone | board support files have been in the kernel for a while now | 08:17 |
| Sazpaimon | N950 is 512MB ram | 08:17 |
| PolarFox | N9 1GB? | 08:18 |
| Sazpaimon | N9 has 1GB yeah | 08:18 |
| Sazpaimon | but N950 i believe has 512MB | 08:18 |
| achipa | Sazpaimon: let's wait until it gets spec-announced | 08:18 |
| Sazpaimon | so N900+swap should suffice | 08:18 |
| wmarone | Sazpaimon: for stalling the device yeah ;p | 08:18 |
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| Sazpaimon | well yeah | 08:19 |
| Sazpaimon | but for demoing the UI | 08:19 |
| Sazpaimon | a qemu image would be okay though | 08:19 |
| GeneralAntilles | Alright, enough tantalizing disappointment for one night. | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | One step forward, two steps back. | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Story of Nokia's open source endeavors. | 08:20 |
| Khertan_n900 | did they announce a n950 or rumors ? | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | 'night | 08:20 |
| Sazpaimon | Khertan_n900, they soft announced it | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Khertan_n900, yes, but only as a limited developer device. | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | And by name only | 08:20 |
| Sazpaimon | 250 developers of meego.com get it | 08:20 |
| GeneralAntilles | Still hate you Nokia. | 08:20 |
| Sazpaimon | and commercial and professional developers get the rest | 08:20 |
| Sazpaimon | i already signed my company up | 08:21 |
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| Khertan_n900 | Commercial and Professional ? | 08:21 |
| Khertan_n900 | only ? Just sucks ! | 08:21 |
| Sazpaimon | if you develop open source stuff you can sign up through meego.com | 08:21 |
| Sazpaimon | but that's limited to 250 devices | 08:21 |
| Khertan_n900 | lol | 08:21 |
| Sazpaimon | if you register as a nokia developer (like I did), you have a better shot | 08:21 |
| Khertan_n900 | how to say take off to the community | 08:21 |
| GAN900 | What they're best at. | 08:23 |
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| Khertan_n900 | GAN900 Indeed | 08:23 |
| Sazpaimon | anyway, I'll be checking my company inbox in the morning | 08:23 |
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| Sazpaimon | hopefully I'll have some good news :) | 08:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, now I recall why I never cared about Nokia Developer: It doesn't allow to log in with Konqueror webbrowser | 08:24 |
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| loft306 | HA HA | 08:28 |
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| macmaN | zomg, who took conversations and put those dumb ass chat bubbles there | 08:30 |
| lofty306 | i thought i saw that looked like a port on the engadget spy shots... though that could be for SIM | 08:31 |
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| Cor-Ai | morning | 08:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer feels like an idiot, every effort to get on launchpad page ends on a page with a link to "register for launchpad" - I *AM* registered, so where is launchpad??? | 08:35 | |
| lofty306 | get out of bed on other side try aaagain? | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffff | 08:36 |
| robbiethe1st | So, erm, what's this page on meego.com to register as a developer and try to get a device? | 08:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | launchpad!!! | 08:36 |
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| mrsellout | robbiethe1st: https://meego.com/community/device-program/devices/nokia-n9-devkit | 08:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Thanks! | 08:42 |
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| mrsellout | while you're there, I notice you're hosting a flashable rootfs image with backupmenu installed | 08:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, an old version | 08:44 |
| mrsellout | how about hosting a backup image that people can restore with backupmenu? | 08:44 |
| robbiethe1st | That negates the purpose - The idea behind that image is that you can flash it, then restore your own backup | 08:45 |
| robbiethe1st | If you just want to restore a stock image... that's what the fiasco image is for | 08:45 |
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| keks-n | sup | 08:45 |
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| mrsellout | But there are people who have broken usb ports that want a fresh install | 08:45 |
| keks-n | I suddenly realized, that they have released Harmattan | 08:45 |
| keks-n | Is it still based on deb-packages and scratchbox? | 08:46 |
| mrsellout | so this is one way of doing that | 08:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, you do have a point there... | 08:46 |
| keks-n | great | 08:46 |
| keks-n | 1) Is it possible o install it to N900? | 08:47 |
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| mrsellout | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32876324/20110619-2247-rootfs.tar.gz | 08:47 |
| keks-n | 2) Is it possible to access repos? | 08:47 |
| keks-n | Oh | 08:47 |
| keks-n | wow | 08:47 |
| mrsellout | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/32876324/20110619-2247-optfs.tar.gz | 08:47 |
| keks-n | WOW | 08:47 |
| mrsellout | that's a fresh install if you want. | 08:47 |
| keks-n | Thanks TH | 08:47 |
| robbiethe1st | that makes things easy | 08:48 |
| keks-n | yep | 08:48 |
| keks-n | Are extras available at this time? | 08:48 |
| mrsellout | keks-n: that's maemo5 I posted | 08:48 |
| keks-n | ehm | 08:48 |
| lofty306 | heh | 08:49 |
| keks-n | I misunderstood you | 08:49 |
| keks-n | sorry | 08:49 |
| mrsellout | lol I know :) | 08:49 |
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| keks-n | >>RELEASE NOTES FOR MeeGo Harmattan SDK Beta | 08:51 |
| keks-n | >>This release includes: | 08:51 |
| keks-n | >> Maemo SDK installer | 08:51 |
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| keks-n | Suddenly lold | 08:51 |
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| keks-n | Who is the Harmattan's debmaster? | 08:52 |
| hiemanshu | so looks like the N9 is out | 08:55 |
| Khertan_n900 | yep | 08:56 |
| Khertan_n900 | and no keyboard | 08:56 |
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| keks-n | Youcan get N950 | 08:56 |
| Khertan_n900 | if you chance | 08:56 |
| keks-n | >>To aid the speedy development of apps for the Nokia N9 smartphone, Nokia has produced a limited number of developer phones, the Nokia N950 phone. This phone isn't available for purchase and can only be obtained through selected developer programs, such as Nokia Developer LaunchPad. | 08:56 |
| Khertan_n900 | as it not sold | 08:56 |
| keks-n | BTW, did anyone tried to install Harmathan to N900? | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Developer account registration | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | >> group membership operation already in progress | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | KTHNX | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | this whole website is such a PITA | 08:58 |
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| khertan | keks-n, and how to be "selected" ? | 08:59 |
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| pabs3 | khertan: https://meego.com/community/device-program/devices/nokia-n9-devkit | 08:59 |
| khertan | pabs3, this is the community selection :) | 09:00 |
| khertan | only 250 device | 09:00 |
| khertan | so you need to be lucky | 09:00 |
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| pabs3 | khertan: right | 09:00 |
| wmarone | you need more than "luck" ;) | 09:00 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: I got the same message as you | 09:01 |
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| khertan | wmarone, indeed ... no the choice ... is keep n900 and try to help for MeeGo | 09:01 |
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| khertan | or switch to Android ... and contribute to Python Port | 09:01 |
| khertan | s/no/now | 09:01 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, sadly | 09:02 |
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| robbiethe1st | The N9... does *not* look that interesting, sadly | 09:02 |
| mece | Khertan, robbiethe1st, what? | 09:02 |
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| khertan | n9 ... no keyboard useless | 09:02 |
| khertan | n950 can't be bought directly | 09:03 |
| robbiethe1st | http://swipe.nokia.com/ | 09:03 |
| khertan | need to be "selected" | 09:03 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/21/apples_openness_problem/ | 09:03 |
| robbiethe1st | N950's different? | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: you found where to apply for that friggin n950? | 09:03 |
| khertan | a keyboard from what i heard | 09:03 |
| robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: Uh, no. | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that plain incredible? | 09:04 |
| keks-n | Why not just try | 09:04 |
| khertan | keks-n, something without keyboard ? | 09:04 |
| robbiethe1st | I found the flaer, though: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/25e9df89-6fbf-4802-a335-ca9695250144/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlasher_Lin.html | 09:04 |
| khertan | keks-n, because i was on n800 and i really prefer the n810 and n900 due to keyboard | 09:05 |
| wmarone | I simply hope the N9's price point is appropriate for its hardware class | 09:05 |
| wmarone | considering that even Apple will probably be going multicore in a few months | 09:06 |
| ruskie | hmm no HW kb? :( | 09:06 |
| GonzoTheGreat | 1GB RAM seems more important than multicore | 09:06 |
| mece | indeed. | 09:07 |
| wmarone | GonzoTheGreat: yes, but 1GB of RAM does not command a high price | 09:07 |
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| robbiethe1st | I'd argue that the *most* important thing is a better filesystem. The N900's OptFS gets corrupted quite frequently, and when it does, performance drops like a rock | 09:08 |
| internetishard | krayon and rm_you, I'm late, but I'm right with you in terms of the n900, resistive screens, etc - maybe a community of like minded people could help promote the next sensical product | 09:08 |
| wmarone | robbiethe1st: honestly I've never had the /opt filesystem get corrupted | 09:08 |
| wmarone | and I would not expect such from ext3 | 09:08 |
| krayon | internetishard: Not enough of us :/ Too many people who like stuff like Apple's. | 09:09 |
| robbiethe1st | I hadn't either until a few weeks back; my n900 had been running for several weeks straight, and things got slow. I rebooted, and it took like 5 minutes to boot. | 09:09 |
| mece | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSZssHGR-Qg | 09:09 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, https://meego.com/community/device-program | 09:09 |
| robbiethe1st | Booted into backupmenu, ran fsck, and loads of FS errors. I ended up having to fix it on my desktop by completely reformatting it, reloading a backed up OptFS image. | 09:09 |
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| robbiethe1st | Boots in 1min now, way better performance | 09:10 |
| wmarone | robbiethe1st: overclocked? | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: uhuh, thanks | 09:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | will try | 09:10 |
| rm_you | internetishard: yeah i feel like the actual "hardcore community" that actually knows or cares about these things is very small T_T but i'd totally be there | 09:10 |
| mece | only 250 of them :/ | 09:10 |
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| robbiethe1st | wmarone: Well, yea, and if there was *any* instability, I'd consider that the problem. But there isn't, and non-OC'd devices seem to have the problem as well. | 09:11 |
| flailingmonkey | i'm trying to think of a reason that N950 was so broken they can only give it out as dev platform :/ | 09:11 |
| wmarone | guess I'm just the luckiest N900 owner ever | 09:11 |
| khertan | flailingmonkey, it could be a Windows Phone killer | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: this links to http://developer.nokia.com/swipe, this is basically where I'm wandering around for like one hour now | 09:12 |
| robbiethe1st | Either that, or you rebooted once in a while(it runs fsck when it boots) | 09:12 |
| wmarone | only issue I ever had was the 32wd_to reboot bug back after the device came out | 09:12 |
| khertan | wmarone, only issue i ve is with trackerd eating all ram and cpu | 09:12 |
| khertan | but having 12Go of 21mpx pictures on device probably didn't help | 09:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Funny thing was that until this glitch happened, it ran great for me too. Then, at that point things basically became sluggish, trackerd went crazy, some few apps wouldn't open etc. | 09:13 |
| lofty306 | one of the reasens gives was that the N9 hasnt passed CE yet so they were giving out n950's insteaaad for dev | 09:13 |
| internetishard | krayon: we need the uber geeks to have creative control, and then a larger majority of the masses will line up behind us | 09:13 |
| lofty306 | reaasons given * but hee didnt know if it was the real reason | 09:14 |
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| internetishard | especially once they see us doing cool shit with their phones that they've only seen in science fiction movies | 09:14 |
| flailingmonkey | i've been thinking about what sort of work would qualify for one of those N950 units :/ | 09:14 |
| internetishard | I had my n900 on a stand last year in school with a bluetooth keyboard and people freaked the fuck out | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: following this text adventure takes me to http://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad.xhtml where I'm asked to apply for launchpad membership which I did. This ended in a deadend loop like | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-21 07:58:12] <DocScrutinizer> >>Developer account registration | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-21 07:58:12] <DocScrutinizer> >> group membership operation already in progress | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | though | 09:14 |
| rm_you | internetishard: lol yeah my n800 was like that | 09:14 |
| Choom | internetishard: without improving the development tools, I can hardly see anyone having the patience | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | mece: and *WHERE* do I apply for a N950 now? | 09:15 |
| Choom | internetishard: also, cool things come with seemingly useless sensors and capacitive screens | 09:15 |
| lofty306 | i give up | 09:15 |
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| khertan | DocScrutinizer, if i understand to apply to n9 will give you n950, isn't it ? | 09:15 |
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| internetishard | Choom: the patience for what? | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I apply for a N9-devkit which is the only thing you can apply for it seems | 09:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | it ended like I told above | 09:16 |
| khertan | yep | 09:16 |
| internetishard | I don't get the cool things comment Choom | 09:16 |
| khertan | dev kit is for me n950 :) | 09:16 |
| Choom | internetishard: when I bought my N900 I had development in mind | 09:16 |
| khertan | Now the real question is : Does QWidget is Themed or Not ? | 09:17 |
| krayon | internetishard: I'm not so sure. I had a great conversation with an Apple fan recently. He explained how he LOVES that Apple tell him what he can and can't do and how. He said that he trusts in (the Church of) Jobbs and wouldn't swap it for anything. It was a major flaw in my thinking to assume that everyone wanted to be able to do what THEY wanted to do. That everyone wanted to make their own decisions. | 09:17 |
| Choom | internetishard: but that quickly worn off as soon as I installed the sandbox thing | 09:17 |
| Choom | never looked at it again | 09:17 |
| rm_you | yeah i just want to buy an n950 i don't want an n9... maybe i can ebay if i don't get dev programmed in | 09:17 |
| Choom | scratchbox, that is | 09:17 |
| ruskie | will there be a n950? | 09:17 |
| internetishard | krayon, sure basically that makes it easier for him and lots of other people - I agree with him | 09:17 |
| internetishard | I don't completely understand the hypothetical line between power users and the rest | 09:18 |
| khertan | rm_you, same here ... didn't want this n9 ... want a n950 | 09:18 |
| Choom | then the packaging requirements, the amount of work required to publish simple things, the inavailability of documentation for things such as pulseaudio that should be very well documented, etc. contribute a lot to turning me off | 09:18 |
| wmarone | simple: power-users are a niche to be ignored and attacked by legions of useful idiots | 09:18 |
| wmarone | Choom: oh you tried to do maemo5 development as well? | 09:19 |
| internetishard | Maybe sometimes people want to be power users, and sometimes they want pure productivity - but there should at least be a complete poweruser phone out there. If we tie up the various subsets of powerusers, then there would definitely be enough to warrant R&D for the next good n900 replacement | 09:19 |
| krayon | internetishard: I think that's it. A "power user" says "how am I going to get the system to do what I want in the way I want" whereas the majority say "tell me how to do what I want and if it can't be done, fine, and if it can but requires me to put my hand in a blender, that's fine too, just PLEASE tell me what to do". | 09:19 |
| Choom | wmarone: just third party applications | 09:19 |
| wmarone | Choom: exactly | 09:19 |
| khertan | Dev is easier than on iPhone or Android SDK ! You can even dev onboard on an n900 ! | 09:19 |
| khertan | Just choose the right language | 09:19 |
| wmarone | khertan: it's easier -now- | 09:19 |
| Choom | c should be the right language | 09:19 |
| khertan | wmarone, it s easier since the NOkia n800 | 09:19 |
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| Choom | at least I was expecting it to be | 09:20 |
| internetishard | krayon: indeed, they learn about cool new shit because they just learned that it exists (so they'll do it). We have ideas, and we want to test them - in essence, power users are scientists. | 09:20 |
| jpinx-away | krayon: power users can give the normal users more to do :) | 09:20 |
| khertan | Choom, lol ... | 09:20 |
| wmarone | khertan: scratchbox was terrible, end to end. I'm still not sure about madde. | 09:20 |
| khertan | Choom, if you like losing time managing ram ... why not | 09:20 |
| khertan | wmarone, i didn't use nor scratchbox, nor madde | 09:20 |
| internetishard | For example, I like how I've integrated stuff my multi terabyte server via 3g, wifi, whatever into my n900 system. Stuff that I wanted to do before I knew it was possible | 09:21 |
| khertan | Maemo is the best mobile python plateform | 09:21 |
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| wmarone | khertan: the problem with python is that some of its best uses, like mediabox, are terribly slow | 09:21 |
| khertan | wmarone, it s slow because not well coded | 09:22 |
| khertan | wmarone, in a gui apps, most used time is waiting user action in the main loop | 09:22 |
| wmarone | well aware of that | 09:22 |
| Choom | high level languages are good for scripting, frontend, UI, prototyping, and duct taping | 09:23 |
| Choom | beyond that I default to C and C++ | 09:23 |
| khertan | wmarone, and most computed time is used in the gui drawing, which could be qt or gtk ... which are in c or c++ | 09:23 |
| khertan | Choom, yeah yeah ... | 09:23 |
| internetishard | n900 v2 should be the next one. with fixes and everything open! | 09:24 |
| khertan | Choom, frontend, ui, prototyping .... there is nothing more :) | 09:24 |
| internetishard | ;> | 09:24 |
| Choom | khertan: of course there is, the core | 09:24 |
| khertan | internetishard, an n900 with more ram | 09:24 |
| wmarone | khertan: but even with the ability to use python, it is not the target language of most developers. nor should it be the only option. The problem is that the default option of C was a painful, slow process. | 09:24 |
| khertan | Choom, in a mobile app ? which core you display data ;) | 09:24 |
| internetishard | fixed gps, open OS dev, compass, etc | 09:24 |
| khertan | wmarone, some are coding in c directly ondevice | 09:24 |
| wmarone | sure | 09:25 |
| krayon | I'd be happy with a RAM slot slapped on the side that I have to wrap in static sensitive tape and bubble wrap to protect. | 09:25 |
| khertan | wmarone, lcuk for example :) | 09:25 |
| wmarone | but that doesn't lend yourself to easy redistribution | 09:25 |
| krayon | Well, that an a CPU upgrade. Perhaps one of those beefy CPU fans hanging out. | 09:25 |
| khertan | why you can package them too :) | 09:25 |
| wmarone | let alone the space consumption on device | 09:25 |
| Choom | khertan: voice recognition, for example | 09:25 |
| Choom | khertan: games, as another example | 09:25 |
| wmarone | packaging is another problem, I do hope that is somewhat automated in the new system... | 09:25 |
| khertan | Choom, ok ... here ... clearly ... you made a python extension in c :) | 09:25 |
| internetishard | Does the n900 really feel like a flop to nokia? | 09:26 |
| Choom | khertan: touch-sensitive applications that do not rely on any of the provided widgets but for which you still wish to provide a smooth experience | 09:26 |
| internetishard | I mean, if it doesn't, then why don't they just upgrade the hardware and leave its essence? | 09:26 |
| Choom | khertan: libraries | 09:26 |
| krayon | internetishard: Probably to their ex-MS head guy, yeah. That and it was dead before it was alive. | 09:26 |
| Choom | khertan: telepathy modules | 09:27 |
| krayon | In Australia, I was unable to get one. Had to buy off eBay. They came out VERY VERY late here. | 09:27 |
| internetishard | whose fault do they think that was? | 09:27 |
| Choom | the list goes on and on | 09:27 |
| internetishard | the dead part | 09:27 |
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| khertan | Choom, touch sensitive app can be done in python, i ve rewrite a part of kinetic scrolling in python ;) | 09:27 |
| krayon | And they were only available for hardly any time as a result ... maybe a few months. | 09:27 |
| khertan | Choom, and custom qwidget are faster in python than qml ... :) | 09:27 |
| khertan | Choom, most library can be write in python | 09:28 |
| Choom | khertan: yes, but the rendering can not -- read the part where I said "without using any of the provided widgets" | 09:28 |
| Choom | khertan: no they can not, because then you lose portability | 09:28 |
| khertan | Choom, to be honest i prefer a python lib than a badly written c one that leak everywhere | 09:28 |
| khertan | Choom, ? lost portability ? why ? | 09:28 |
| Choom | khertan: you can bind C stuff to python, but it doesn't make sense to do it the other way around | 09:29 |
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| khertan | Choom, yep... but why writing thing in c ... if this run well in python | 09:29 |
| khertan | c is usefull only when speed is required | 09:30 |
| khertan | (or to avoid eating too much battery) | 09:30 |
| Choom | it's a bit like writing C++ libraries that don't export C symbols, you can still call the C++ code if you make assumptions about the implementation, but that doesn't make any sense | 09:30 |
| khertan | Choom, yep | 09:30 |
| Choom | khertan: you can not make assumptions about performance requirements while writing a library | 09:30 |
| khertan | Choom, i was talking for apps ... not lib | 09:31 |
| jacekowski | khertan: C is usefull always | 09:31 |
| Choom | because the applications that are going to use it are abstract | 09:31 |
| jacekowski | khertan: and it's faster to write in C | 09:31 |
| khertan | jacekowski, lol | 09:31 |
| khertan | it s faster to execute you yep ... not to write :) | 09:31 |
| khertan | s/you/ | 09:31 |
| jacekowski | then you are bad C programmer | 09:31 |
| khertan | lol | 09:32 |
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| Choom | depends on what you're writing | 09:32 |
| khertan | exactly | 09:32 |
| Choom | in some cases the abstraction forces you to bend over backwards in order to achieve things that the ability to use pointers would simplify a lot | 09:32 |
| Choom | take shared memory and IPC, for example | 09:33 |
| khertan | in some case python library will help you a lot to write thing really faster | 09:33 |
| Choom | very wasy to work with in C; I don't even wanna think about the nightmare of attmepting to tackle it with a higher level language | 09:33 |
| khertan | try to write a app that sync with ms online office in c ... will be faster to write it in C# dotnet as it s only 100 lines to writes as many libs will help you | 09:34 |
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| keks-n | Ehm | 09:35 |
| Choom | sure, but that's not core functionality | 09:35 |
| khertan | Choom : http://nikitathespider.com/python/shm/ | 09:35 |
| keks-n | MS Office provides COM-interface | 09:35 |
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| khertan | ms office ... i was talking about their online office | 09:36 |
| khertan | :) | 09:36 |
| keks-n | Hm | 09:36 |
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| Choom | khertan: I'm not claiming it can't be done, I'm claiming that you have to work harder to achieve the same | 09:36 |
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| Choom | on top of losing performance | 09:36 |
| khertan | Choom, harder ... i didn't think ... losing performance ... sure it ll loose | 09:37 |
| Choom | khertan: those are low level concepts | 09:37 |
| khertan | yep... and should be writen in c | 09:37 |
| Choom | so yes, you have to work harder in order to bend the abstract logic | 09:37 |
| khertan | using python for this is unappropriate | 09:37 |
| Choom | in essence, that's one case where the abstraction is getting in the way | 09:37 |
| keks-n | Who thinks about the client side perfomance when working with online service? | 09:37 |
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| Choom | keks-n: we're talking about native mobile apps | 09:38 |
| keks-n | You will lost about 15-30% of the perfomance of your code | 09:38 |
| keks-n | But it isn't the bottleneck | 09:38 |
| keks-n | s/lost/lose/ | 09:38 |
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| khertan | Choom, in core ... but mobile app haven't really a core ... it s mostly a ui displaying data | 09:38 |
| Choom | khertan: you can't really tell what the bottleneck is in the case of libraries | 09:39 |
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| Choom | err | 09:39 |
| Choom | was for keks-n | 09:39 |
| khertan | :) | 09:39 |
| Choom | khertan: I've already given you examples of apps with C requirements | 09:39 |
| Choom | you don't do audio processing in python | 09:39 |
| khertan | Choom, yep | 09:39 |
| Choom | you don't do video processing in python | 09:39 |
| Choom | you don't write telepathy modules in python | 09:40 |
| keks-n | You can do it in C#, lol | 09:40 |
| khertan | Choom, i do it ... but i use a c lib for audio processing :) | 09:40 |
| keks-n | It has native pointers support | 09:40 |
| khertan | Choom, so it s not python really :) | 09:40 |
| Choom | you don't write mobile games in python (unless they are really simple) | 09:40 |
| khertan | you should see more python than a glue to call already existing libs ... ;) | 09:41 |
| * keks-n wrote a pair of games for WinMobile in C# and got a good FPS even without video acceleration | 09:41 | |
| khertan | don't need to reinvent the wheel :) | 09:41 |
| keks-n | Anyway, the graphics core library was written in C | 09:41 |
| Choom | as I said earlier, high level languages are appropriate for scripting, frontend, prototyping, and duct taping | 09:41 |
| khertan | keks-n, because most of time is passed in the graphic libs which are in c | 09:41 |
| keks-n | yep | 09:41 |
| khertan | ... hum ... this will not give us a keyboard to n900 | 09:42 |
| khertan | ... hum ... this will not give us a keyboard to n9 | 09:42 |
| khertan | :) | 09:42 |
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| Choom | so long as it makes them thinner, I don't really mind | 09:42 |
| keks-n | Languages like python and c# are perfect for logic part of the application | 09:42 |
| keks-n | C is perfect for media processing | 09:42 |
| Choom | my n900 is a brick | 09:42 |
| MrPPS | my brick is an n900 | 09:43 |
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| keks-n | Just combine them and you will get the perfomance boots both in run-time and "write-time" | 09:43 |
| keks-n | It's quite simple to interact with C code | 09:43 |
| keks-n | C# has a lot of useful tools to do it | 09:44 |
| crashanddie | Nokia really is falling low. | 09:45 |
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| crashanddie | ""Unlike some competitor products you don't need to hold it a special way to make reliable phone calls," Ahtisaari said. The phone will come in black, cyan and magenta." | 09:45 |
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| ruskie | crashanddie, hehe | 09:45 |
| crashanddie | when you have to resort to slander and cheap shots at competitors... | 09:45 |
| ruskie | it does look nice though | 09:45 |
| khertan | Nokia N9-00 | 09:46 |
| khertan | MeeGO 1.2 Harmattan | 09:46 |
| ruskie | I might get it on contract from the cellco once they have it | 09:46 |
| khertan | It s Maemo, It s MeeGo, No it ven't keyboard ... it s a Flop | 09:47 |
| khertan | :) | 09:47 |
| ruskie | no it's Elop ;) | 09:47 |
| khertan | ;) | 09:47 |
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| khertan | OpenGL ES 1.1 | 09:48 |
| khertan | OpenGL ES 2.0 | 09:48 |
| khertan | 2 microphone ? | 09:48 |
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| khertan | Compass (Magnetometer Sensor) | 09:48 |
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| Choom | doesn't the N900 already have 2 microphones? | 09:49 |
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| khertan | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes.html <<< ? | 09:49 |
| khertan | Choom, ? really ? where is the second one ? | 09:49 |
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| Choom | I don't even know where the first one is | 09:50 |
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| Choom | but doesn't it record in stereo? | 09:50 |
| crashanddie | Yo it's DJ Dan, I'm running a Nokia with Harmattan, I may sound like a wild or wise man, but that's just from the inspiration of my beer can. The new N9, running Harmattan, will be about as useful as a frying pan; built entirely in Kazakhstan, only a few idiots will buy it in Japan. Don't think Elop forgot the employee stock ownership plan, he's just an neanderthal man (with a plan), he's just the a con artist from the repub | 09:50 |
| crashanddie | lic of Sudan, who came, conquered, and Nokia overran. | 09:50 |
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| Choom | I see people blame nokia for targeting the mass market | 09:51 |
| crashanddie | Choom, you don't need two microphones to record in stereo | 09:51 |
| Choom | and people blame them for not targeting the mass market | 09:52 |
| Choom | you can't have it both ways | 09:52 |
| Choom | crashanddie: oh, wow, how does that work? | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | Duplicate mic input on both channels? | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | It's *very* common in the telco industry. | 09:52 |
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| Choom | that's not stereo | 09:52 |
| crashanddie | actually, it is. | 09:53 |
| crashanddie | it's exactly the same technique used by the Nokia N9 for their Dolby Headphones crap | 09:53 |
| crashanddie | look up pan-pot stereo. | 09:54 |
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| Choom | how can you tell the direction sound is coming in? | 09:54 |
| crashanddie | you add a random modulation to the amplitude. | 09:54 |
| khertan | * N950 is physically larger and is made out of aluminum, whereas N9 has | 09:54 |
| khertan | a polycarbonate unibody | 09:54 |
| keks-n | wow | 09:55 |
| khertan | * N950 has 1320mAh battery, the N9 has 1450mAh battery | 09:55 |
| Choom | crashanddie: that means nothing to me :P | 09:55 |
| khertan | * N950 supports Bluetooth version 2.1+EDR, whereas N9 supports | 09:55 |
| khertan | version 4.0 | 09:55 |
| Choom | explain it in layman's terms | 09:55 |
| crashanddie | Choom, it gives a fake reverberation, which tricks your brain into thinking it's stereophonic | 09:55 |
| khertan | N950 has a 4 TFT LCD display whereas N9 has 3.9 AMOLED display. | 09:55 |
| khertan | Display resolution is same on both devices (854x480). Due to the use | 09:55 |
| khertan | of different display technologies, developers should avoid one pixel | 09:55 |
| khertan | with fonts and graphical objects with lines one pixel wide. Also avoid | 09:55 |
| khertan | the extensive use of bright colors, especially white, when developing | 09:55 |
| khertan | for OLED displays as this increases the power consumption (typical | 09:55 |
| khertan | for OLED displays). | 09:55 |
| khertan | * N950 has a different physical camera module than N9. Both camera | 09:55 |
| khertan | modules have very similar image quality (Carl Zeiss branding in N9) | 09:55 |
| khertan | and both modules support 8Mpix image mode. | 09:55 |
| khertan | n950 : * Over-the-Air updates may not be available for the next software version. | 09:56 |
| Choom | crashanddie: that's not what I was referring to though, I was referring to being able to record where sounds come from, but I guess the N900 can't do that | 09:56 |
| crashanddie | it can't. | 09:56 |
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| crashanddie | Choom, basically, you have track 0 at amplitude 80dB naturally, you record it once, with a dB gain of whatever depending on your microphone. You duplicate it, and run an algorithm on it that will either overpass or lower the gain of resulting track 1 | 09:56 |
| crashanddie | So effectively, one track is slightly lower in volume than the other one (not technically correct, but you wanted layman's terms) | 09:57 |
| Choom | crashanddie: yeah, I understand that | 09:57 |
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| Choom | was thinking they were using some kind of black magic to gain perception of sound direction with a single microphone | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | Choom, most pop in recent years isn't stereo. | 09:58 |
| crashanddie | not stereophonic, anyway | 09:58 |
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| khertan | crashanddie, or good | 09:59 |
| crashanddie | plus, recording stereo is a lot trickier than it might sound (hardy har har) | 09:59 |
| Choom | I was thinking of something in the lines of how your brain can tell the difference between sounds coming from ahead or behind without an extra pair of ears | 10:00 |
| crashanddie | well, that's the time-of-arrival stereography combined with intensity stereography | 10:00 |
| crashanddie | (or something along those lines) | 10:00 |
| Jaffa | khertan: Nothing about NFC differences? | 10:01 |
| khertan | Jaffa, * N950 does not have support for NFC | 10:01 |
| khertan | :) | 10:01 |
| khertan | it s clear :) | 10:01 |
| Jaffa | Ah, OK | 10:01 |
| Jaffa | Thopught so | 10:02 |
| khertan | * Certain types of use may drain the battery faster than normal. | 10:02 |
| khertan | * Echo may be heard during some voice calls. This can be eliminated | 10:02 |
| khertan | by turning speakerphone on and off during the call. | 10:02 |
| khertan | * The device may not always see all available WLANs (refresh) | 10:02 |
| khertan | ^ it s about n950 | 10:02 |
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| cloudyLights | hi | 10:02 |
| crashanddie | Choom, in order to do proper toa stereography you need hardware that is capable of processing time differences of less than a millisec when the mics are less than 30cm apart | 10:02 |
| khertan | * N9 has slightly more sensitive magnetometer and ALS | 10:03 |
| cloudyLights | where is this guy that made myth frontend work on the N900? | 10:03 |
| cloudyLights | khertan: hi there | 10:03 |
| khertan | hi cloudyLights | 10:03 |
| Jaffa | Right | 10:03 |
| crashanddie | Could you tell I've been in the telco industry and have been reading up on sound recording? :P | 10:03 |
| khertan | Further, as N950, including its device software, is not a commercial | 10:03 |
| khertan | device, the quality and/feature set of N950 is of beta quality and comes | 10:03 |
| khertan | without any warranty or support whatsoever. | 10:03 |
| khertan | Finally, when we in these release notes make statements as to the features | 10:03 |
| khertan | of N9 (e.g. describing differences between N950 and N9), it is not a | 10:03 |
| khertan | representation that the commercial version of N9 will actually include | 10:03 |
| khertan | such features. | 10:03 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer, Nokia N9 Devkit | 10:04 |
| khertan | To aid the speedy development of apps for the Nokia N9 smartphone, Nokia has produced a limited number of developer phones, the Nokia N950 phone. This phone isn't available for purchase and can only be obtained through selected developer programs, such as Nokia Developer LaunchPad. | 10:04 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer, so n9 devkit is the n950 | 10:04 |
| cloudyLights | sweet | 10:04 |
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| khertan | and the n950 is the rm680 device | 10:09 |
| cloudyLights | are you in singapoore now? | 10:09 |
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| ruskie | so basically if you're a user you can't get a N950 at all... | 10:10 |
| cloudyLights | how may I become a Nokia Developer ? | 10:10 |
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| cloudyLights | no problem, I need the N950 for work | 10:10 |
| mece | ruskie, meego dev program is for open source developers. | 10:10 |
| mece | cloudyLights, companies can probly get it... | 10:10 |
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| ruskie | mece, yet I don't really develope stuff | 10:11 |
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| * RST38h moos | 10:11 | |
| * crashanddie moos back at RST38h | 10:12 | |
| khertan | cloudyLights, no i m not in singapoore | 10:12 |
| ruskie | I really wish meego.com wouldn't redirect to https | 10:13 |
| cloudyLights | well, I think my boss may consider getting us the N950 | 10:13 |
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| cloudyLights | let me wait untill someone here gets it | 10:13 |
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| crashanddie | ruskie, why? | 10:14 |
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| cloudyLights | khertan: can you share the experience of having this device , when you have it? | 10:16 |
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| cloudyLights | khertan: can you share the experience of having this device , when you have it? | 10:16 |
| ruskie | crashanddie, because of this: SSL handshake failed: A TLS fatal alert has been received. | 10:16 |
| khertan | cloudyLights, yep ... but i doubt i ll get it one day :) | 10:17 |
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| jaska | bleh, nowhere to buy n950, n9 is useless without a kbd :| | 10:28 |
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| flailingmonkey | n950 only for developers | 10:33 |
| haj | what? | 10:33 |
| khertan | I haven't tried, but you can do it this way if you have all the pieces: terminal app (it's open source and maintained) and wget (not sure if it comes with Busybox out of the idem). I'm installing packages directly from the browser, by clicking .deb links. Very convenient. This is not the behavior by default but you can enable it through the settings UI. | 10:33 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah | 10:33 |
| khertan | ^qgil | 10:33 |
| khertan | YOU HOU ! DEBIAN PACKAGING | 10:34 |
| khertan | jaska, haj yep n950 only for "selected" dev | 10:34 |
| khertan | and i agree ... n9 sucks without kbd | 10:34 |
| khertan | The default approach is to have a Nokia proprietary UX layer including the applications. | 10:35 |
| khertan | still closed | 10:35 |
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| haj | khertan: not that it matters.. N900 is my last Nokia device. (because of their silly customer service) | 10:36 |
| flailingmonkey | i understand though. you have to make different design choices to emphasize use of keyboard, portrait vs. landscape | 10:36 |
| khertan | flailingmonkey, and user choice ? | 10:37 |
| khertan | maybe some didn't care about portrait use | 10:37 |
| haj | khertan: it doesn't really make any sense to make the N950 only for developers... | 10:37 |
| khertan | why every phone should look like iphone ? | 10:37 |
| flailingmonkey | still there is design choices of which should be emphasized | 10:37 |
| khertan | haj, yep... it s not make any sense to make windows phone | 10:37 |
| khertan | haj, there is probably design problem with it | 10:38 |
| flailingmonkey | haj: making it only for devs means they don't have to do the productization work | 10:38 |
| khertan | haj, as some component is different in the n9, i think there is someproblem | 10:38 |
| flailingmonkey | haj: and indications have shown the slate/plank form has carried the most consistent _consumer_ success | 10:39 |
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| jaska | kbdless slate is about as useful as a coaster or mousepad to me :) | 10:39 |
| jaska | current phone hw landscape is looking bad :( | 10:40 |
| khertan | jaska, looking bad ? what did you mean ? | 10:40 |
| jaska | khertan: there are no suitable replacements for n900 in sight | 10:40 |
| jaska | hw-wise | 10:40 |
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| khertan | jaska, hw-wise ... some htc ... | 10:41 |
| flailingmonkey | milestone 3 is looking decent | 10:41 |
| khertan | but software is android | 10:41 |
| jrayhawk | Presumably they'll be fixing the hinge and releasing the n950 eventually. | 10:41 |
| cloudyLights | well, I still can't publish my small app | 10:41 |
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| jaska | is motorola getting rid of their awful lockdown junk yet? | 10:41 |
| cloudyLights | one problem is that when you change profiles using dbus in the N900 the volume is muted | 10:41 |
| jaska | plus android is sorta awful as an os | 10:42 |
| cloudyLights | so I use mafw to save and restore the volume | 10:42 |
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| cloudyLights | but, python-mafw is in extras-devel so | 10:42 |
| krayon | If they're making the N950 anyway, why not offer pre-orders or something :( | 10:42 |
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| cloudyLights | how to make it easy for users to install the dep if it is in extras-devel? | 10:43 |
| flailingmonkey | jrayhawk: no way, by that time the hardware spec for n950 will be ancient compared to competitors | 10:43 |
| mece | krayon, they're not making them. | 10:43 |
| mece | krayon, they are already made. | 10:44 |
| krayon | True, they COULD have though, I mean. | 10:44 |
| keks-n | >>how to make it easy for users to install the dep if it is in extras-devel? | 10:44 |
| keks-n | move it to extras-testing, lol | 10:44 |
| cloudyLights | right | 10:45 |
| cloudyLights | I sitll need to see it installs ok | 10:45 |
| keks-n | Actually deps are moved automatically if something in extras-testing depends on them | 10:45 |
| cloudyLights | so I tried instlling scratchbox | 10:45 |
| keks-n | Use original rootfs from firmware | 10:45 |
| keks-n | If you want to see, how it installs | 10:46 |
| cloudyLights | but I can't get X up in scratchbox | 10:46 |
| cloudyLights | this is because I can't switch to i386 target | 10:46 |
| keks-n | You need X for installation? | 10:46 |
| keks-n | lol | 10:46 |
| cloudyLights | and so I seek someone to try installing these 4 files | 10:47 |
| cloudyLights | I need X to verify my app works after installing | 10:47 |
| keks-n | Extract rootfs somewhere in your /home on the device | 10:47 |
| keks-n | mount proc, sys and dev | 10:47 |
| keks-n | chroot | 10:47 |
| keks-n | export DISPLAY=:0 | 10:47 |
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| keks-n | And you will have a clean system | 10:48 |
| cloudyLights | you mean I should do that? this seems odd | 10:49 |
| cloudyLights | but this may be a solution | 10:49 |
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| cloudyLights | I mean it is hard to find N900 users near me | 10:49 |
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| khertan | ouch n9 battery can't be removed | 10:53 |
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| khertan | clearly not a device for me | 10:54 |
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| krayon | ditto unless it's about 4 times more power efficient than the N900 :/ | 10:54 |
| cloudyLights | can someone pls look at this: http://dpaste.com/556873/ | 10:54 |
| cloudyLights | keks-n: any idea what could be wrong with my scratchbox? | 10:54 |
| keks-n | Are you installing it on 64-bit system? | 10:55 |
| cloudyLights | yes | 10:55 |
| keks-n | lol | 10:55 |
| keks-n | There are some problems with running it on 64-bit | 10:56 |
| keks-n | Try to install it in a virtual machine or something like that | 10:56 |
| cloudyLights | ah ok | 10:56 |
| keks-n | I've installed it on a Xen-based VM on my server | 10:57 |
| keks-n | And use this system for compilation | 10:57 |
| cloudyLights | emm ok , I need to look in to it then... | 10:57 |
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| kerio | khertan: write python, feed python code to cython, ???, profit! | 11:22 |
| kerio | or maybe just write the inner loops in real cython for extra speed there | 11:23 |
| khertan | kerio, i didn't need extras speed | 11:23 |
| Termana | khertan, krayon - but.. but... it's so beautiful! Nevermind no removeable battery! | 11:24 |
| khertan | my apps works well in py | 11:24 |
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| khertan | Termana, lol ... if it drain battery as fast as my n900 ... ah ... yes it ll drain less ... there is no keyboard | 11:24 |
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| kerio | khertan: yeah but you can tell that to the people who claim python is slow | 11:25 |
| kerio | :) | 11:25 |
| khertan | kerio, no ... people saying python is slow need to understand how to code | 11:25 |
| kerio | people saying python is slow need to understand the distinction between a language and its implementations | 11:25 |
| kerio | but yeah, "how to code" is a close second :) | 11:26 |
| khertan | gui app pass most of time doing ui in the gui framework (qt so in c++), and waiting user action | 11:26 |
| khertan | so most of time is passed in c++ lib ... not in python interpreter | 11:26 |
| khertan | :) | 11:26 |
| khertan | people saying python is slow need to understand the distinction between a language and its implementations <<< also | 11:26 |
| khertan | but understand how things works is number 1 ... and i call that : "how to code" | 11:27 |
| kerio | and cpython is incredibly fast for a VM | 11:27 |
| Choom | not there are many implementations of python | 11:27 |
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| kerio | Choom: pypy takes an ungodly amount of ram but it's balls fast | 11:27 |
| khertan | Choom, 3 or 4 | 11:27 |
| kerio | and i really mean balls | 11:27 |
| kerio | and it's written in python itself, so that's awesome | 11:28 |
| Choom | not *that* there are | 11:28 |
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| chainsawbike | :( my n900 died | 11:49 |
| ruskie | :( | 11:50 |
| keks-n | -_- | 11:50 |
| PolarFox | Nice timing | 11:50 |
| krayon | Does anyone know of a cheap or free DNS host (other than DynDNS and ZoneEdit)? | 11:50 |
| khertan | PolarFox, not really n9 isn't yet available | 11:51 |
| PolarFox | Conspiracy 1-0-1 | 11:51 |
| PolarFox | khertan: True.. :D | 11:51 |
| khertan | but nice time to bought an n900 at a cheap price | 11:51 |
| chainsawbike | it survived multiple motorcycle accidents to be taken out by a little water | 11:51 |
| joga | o_O | 11:51 |
| PolarFox | Multiple? :O | 11:51 |
| khertan | Corex A8 3630 1Ghz ...it s a rumor or is it a fact about the n9 cpu ? | 11:51 |
| keks-n | Ehm... They told that it will have 2-core CPU | 11:52 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: that seems to the CPU | 11:52 |
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| Sicelo | khertan: fact | 11:54 |
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| khertan | i ask because didn't see it on Nokia PoorDev Site | 11:55 |
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| bash` | hi all, I installed the CSSU, everything works great but I've ~40 out-of-dated packages, the application manager doesn't show them as Out-of-Date, should I run apt-get upgrade manually? | 11:56 |
| keks-n | Application manager is a crap | 11:56 |
| keks-n | Use apt-get | 11:56 |
| bash` | ok thanks! | 11:56 |
| keks-n | Or even aptitude | 11:56 |
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| keks-n | It's better to use aptitude | 11:56 |
| bash` | ok | 11:57 |
| khertan | but do not do dist-upgrade | 11:57 |
| khertan | will remove many essential package | 11:57 |
| keks-n | It's resolves dependencies like a charm | 11:57 |
| javispedro | soltys, what's new | 11:57 |
| bash` | ok, can I disable the application manager completely then? | 11:57 |
| khertan | keks-n, hum ... seems i m feel his charm | 11:57 |
| javispedro | soltys: sorry, damn autocomplete. | 11:58 |
| javispedro | soltys, what's new and evil? | 11:58 |
| keks-n | bash`: you still need it for installing something from browser | 11:59 |
| keks-n | With that "Big green button" | 11:59 |
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| bash` | keks-n: neither the "auto-update"? | 11:59 |
| bash` | I mean, when I connect to a network it starts to update the repositories list | 11:59 |
| keks-n | yep | 11:59 |
| keks-n | but I've disabled it | 12:00 |
| bash` | can I disable that? | 12:00 |
| keks-n | It eats my GPRS traffic | 12:00 |
| bash` | yep | 12:00 |
| Sicelo | khertan: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/ | 12:00 |
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| keks-n | I've just moved some executables | 12:00 |
| keks-n | apt-worker, for example | 12:00 |
| khertan | Sicelo, thx ... seems they update it between now and my first read | 12:01 |
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| khertan | Micro SIM | 12:02 |
| khertan | ouch | 12:02 |
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| javispedro | only 250 n9devkit (aka "n950")?? god, feels bad to request one. | 12:03 |
| Sicelo | yw | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed | 12:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: I doubt your advice and notion regardin HAM been correct. AFAIK CSSU relies on HAM for some things | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and it's known some packages break when installing then by any other means than HAM | 12:07 |
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| keks-n | I think, that any package should install normally via dpkg | 12:09 |
| keks-n | In other case it should be removed from repo | 12:09 |
| cehteh | is that 1GB ram on the n9 marketing ram or real ram? :) | 12:10 |
| cehteh | n900 had 1GB marketing ram too :P | 12:10 |
| javispedro | n9devkit has 512m | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | keks-n: hah | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: tey seem to use qtm etc, so probably it's real RAM | 12:11 |
| cloudyLights | I would put 250$ for a N950 | 12:11 |
| cloudyLights | keyboard looks better then the n900 | 12:11 |
| cehteh | why dont they market the n950 .. duh | 12:12 |
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| robbiethe1st | Maby because they found some glaring flaws in it? | 12:13 |
| hiemanshu | I would sell my soul for a N950 #JustSaying | 12:13 |
| cehteh | well finally a compass .. but lack of resistive touchscreen and keybaord prolly pisses a lot people | 12:13 |
| robbiethe1st | Or that they couldn't manufacture it cheaply enough; maby they need to wait for a few months to get it out | 12:13 |
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| obcecado | n9-00 does not have flash ? | 12:14 |
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| reenignEesreveR | Which OS is Nokia N9 running? | 12:15 |
| hiemanshu | reenignEesreveR: MeeGo 1.2 | 12:15 |
| reenignEesreveR | right | 12:15 |
| hiemanshu | I still don't understand how Moblin + Maemo = MeeGo, none of them have a G in the name | 12:16 |
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| flux | you need to take the b and stick an l into the topmost joint. it detaches the joint, making the bottom curve of G. then the topmost part of the l is curved to the right, completing the top curve in G | 12:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | konttori said they can't get CE cert for N950 | 12:26 |
| javispedro | ce????? | 12:26 |
| Hurrian | nokia's trolling again, they're giving the N9... a SGX530 | 12:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that means, each moron in China does CE for his own devices | 12:26 |
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| javispedro | ohmy its going to selfexplode | 12:26 |
| javispedro | exactly Doc, that means its probably cancerigenous o | 12:27 |
| javispedro | or worse | 12:27 |
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| javispedro | (or ran out of money =) ) | 12:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: reenignEesreveR : I'd say this is 'meego' harmattan | 12:27 |
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| hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: well its still meego 1.2 :P | 12:28 |
| Hurrian | wonder if we'll be able to get harmattan for the n900 | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | CE is a selfissued cert | 12:29 |
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| Hurrian | something's making me worry that nokia used at least 768MB of that 1GB RAM | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: which was the only way to make that OS my friend, so certainly not my best friend | 12:29 |
| Hurrian | Doc: given nokia's track record on PR1.0 quality, i'm probably right | 12:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I an see why maemo5 wasn't backported to N8x0, but why can't N900 get maemo6 aka meego-harmattan? | 12:30 |
| Hurrian | DS: we can get it, same GPU, still omap3 | 12:31 |
| Hurrian | not like the big jump N8xx to N900 was | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess yes | 12:31 |
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| robbiethe1st | Not that it looks all that great, though... | 12:32 |
| Hurrian | if nokia doesn't give it to us, somebody'll have it running on the meego kernel | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, there's an image out there, I bet the first hackers feeling venturous are already killing their N900 :-P | 12:32 |
| Hurrian | now, if only we can use the crappy front camera as the swipe sensor | 12:32 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm thinking more in terms of backporting the kernel or drivers... | 12:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: indeed, YUCK | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | if N900 had to mandatorily upgrade to that UX, I'd probably revert to N810 and solder some GSM module to it, like blueled did | 12:33 |
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| Hurrian | Doc: of course the N900 isn't designed for that UX | 12:34 |
| Hurrian | we have all the buttons we need | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, not me | 12:34 |
| cloudyLights | DocScrutinizer: can you offer a url for that hack | 12:34 |
| cloudyLights | ? | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm missing the menu button | 12:34 |
| Hurrian | maemo 5 on the N9 would be terribly whut | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: mompls | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=551420#post551420 | 12:35 |
| Hurrian | Doc: there's an image, you say? | 12:35 |
| cloudyLights | wow | 12:35 |
| Hurrian | iirc only filenames leaked | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, there's an image for download | 12:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | on developers.nokia.com or somewhere | 12:38 |
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| Hurrian | Nokia N950 OneClickFlashers | 12:41 |
| Hurrian | wheeeheeeeheeeeeeee | 12:41 |
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| Hurrian | Linux_OCF_22-6_EMMC-OEM1-916.bin | 12:41 |
| Hurrian | get em while they're hooooot | 12:41 |
| javispedro | haarrl harrl, flash them on your ipod!!! | 12:42 |
| Hurrian | hopefully, nokia didnt do the wrong thing, which would be, putting root on a OneNAND. | 12:42 |
| robbiethe1st | ...Y'know, all I can say is that at 1ghz, with swappolube, improved transitions, hardware-sync(that powervr.d setting) and a *clean* optfs-filesystem, the system fairly flies. | 12:43 |
| Hurrian | time for fuuuuun looking for where the script ends and image file starts | 12:43 |
| Hurrian | @robbiethe1st: it's all about the new and shiny things ;) | 12:43 |
| robbiethe1st | It's still slightly sluggish rendering 30-page Slashdot topics, but... | 12:43 |
| Hurrian | and i bet the slow browser is because of the slow browser. | 12:43 |
| ruskie | Hurrian, it's probably sharred or something like that so should be obvious | 12:43 |
| Hurrian | @ruskie, sharred? | 12:44 |
| ruskie | shell archive | 12:44 |
| Hurrian | ah | 12:44 |
| Hurrian | i dont feel like oc'ing all the way to 1GHz, i stay on 750 and it's good enough for me | 12:44 |
| robbiethe1st | ...I wonder, has anyone tried replacing the default-browser's backend on the N900? | 12:44 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st, opened a topic about that on TMO (upgrading to FF4 engine) but it seems that doing so may break crap nokia did wrong | 12:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Hurrian: Mine goes to 1.15ghz stably, but I typically keep it at 950mhz max, due to it being able to run at that without getting (too)hot when maxing it out | 12:45 |
| Hurrian | such as ovi and conversations | 12:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Ovi? don't care about. Conversations, yes, but that ought to be doable. | 12:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Might be interesting to try... | 12:46 |
| robbiethe1st | If only copying the browser-ui and using it with a seperately linked xulrunner | 12:47 |
| Hurrian | i don't know how to write code, so even if i did look up/diff the patches nokia made to make microb-engine, i wouldn't know where to start | 12:48 |
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| jhb | just reading the topic of the channel: is there a clear recommendation for a boot setup that allows Backupmenu+standard kernel+power kernel+android (+meego) (instead of using multiboot +?) | 12:49 |
| khertan | Just for clarification: the whole thing about future disruptions is about what comes after the N9, not the N9 itself. The N9 is very much about world's firsts: all-screen phone, webkit2 browser, 8 MPIX camera with 16:9 wide angle lens, Dolby Headset support... | 12:49 |
| khertan | ^^peter@maemo marketting say on tmo | 12:49 |
| ruskie | khertan, they forget a mini-hdmi ;0 | 12:49 |
| ruskie | ;) | 12:49 |
| javispedro | webkit! | 12:49 |
| javispedro | :( | 12:49 |
| ruskie | webkit!!! yay!!! | 12:49 |
| Hurrian | jhb, android + meego = NOPE | 12:49 |
| ruskie | <-- has been using webkitgtk browsers for the past 2-3 years | 12:49 |
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| Hurrian | until nitdroid moves to uboot it wont happen | 12:50 |
| jhb | Hurrian: the meego is optional, the first four ones I need | 12:50 |
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| Hurrian | jhb, multiboot then | 12:50 |
| Hurrian | the only way | 12:50 |
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| jhb | Hurrian: thx. I thought I missed something | 12:50 |
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| khertan | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/06/nokia-n950-developer.jpg < | 12:51 |
| Hurrian | i wonder if nokia board will kick themselves if the N9 becomes a hit, microUSB issues notwithstanding | 12:51 |
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| ruskie | they can still decide to go with meego devices along the way | 12:52 |
| javispedro | no | 12:52 |
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| ruskie | javispedro, ? | 12:52 |
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| javispedro | its too late for redemption | 12:53 |
| javispedro | ms already gave them a bazillion dollars | 12:53 |
| ruskie | javispedro, your point? | 12:53 |
| ruskie | last I checked the word was meego is a long term R&D | 12:53 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm just hoping Intel will come out with an Intel-branded open x86 phone which we can throw a mostly-open Kubuntu Mobile on. | 12:54 |
| ruskie | robbiethe1st, ugh... | 12:54 |
| ruskie | wtf would anyone want to run x86 on a mobile device... | 12:54 |
| robbiethe1st | Games! | 12:54 |
| ruskie | erm | 12:55 |
| javispedro | standarization | 12:55 |
| ruskie | haha | 12:55 |
| robbiethe1st | It'd mean I'd be able to basically run Wine and any games from about 2000-2004 and older | 12:55 |
| Hurrian | in before we have nvidia fermi pciex16 cards on phones! | 12:55 |
| javispedro | hahahahahaha | 12:55 |
| ruskie | and run it for 2 hours | 12:55 |
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| robbiethe1st | ruskie: You mean like the N900? It too only gets about two hours at maximum CPU usage | 12:56 |
| javispedro | robbie: get an atom. test your 2004 game. laugh. | 12:56 |
| javispedro | or die waiting. | 12:56 |
| robbiethe1st | I'm thinking in terms of games which worked *just fine* on a P3 1ghz with a video card that couldn't do Direct3D... | 12:56 |
| Freak5 | Will there be a successor of the N900 somewhen? Can the N950 be seen as an Update? | 12:56 |
| khertan | yeah full cpu power even not overclocked give me 2 hours of juice no more | 12:57 |
| Hurrian | freak5, the n9 is the update | 12:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Things like Sim City 3/4, Populous: The beginning etc. | 12:57 |
| javispedro | robbie: those do not work on an atom | 12:57 |
| Hurrian | in fact, nokia didnt even bother to replace the GPU | 12:57 |
| robbiethe1st | why not? | 12:57 |
| khertan | Hurrian, it a downgrade | 12:57 |
| javispedro | robbie: believe me I'm sc4 fan | 12:57 |
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| Freak5 | Hurrian: But it doesn't include a keyboard, does it? | 12:57 |
| javispedro | robbie: horribly slow | 12:57 |
| Hurrian | @robbiethe1st , i think i can feel linus' pain when doing ALLYES builds on an atom laptop | 12:57 |
| Hurrian | that must've been horrible | 12:58 |
| robbiethe1st | SC2/SC3 ought to work, though... | 12:58 |
| Hurrian | netbooks are too small, and the flipping takes too much space | 12:58 |
| Hurrian | i'd rather have a 11" x86 tablet with a jumbo battery | 12:58 |
| robbiethe1st | And if Populous doesn't(requiring a 100mhz Pentium 1)... | 12:58 |
| robbiethe1st | I want a 5-7", 720P screen. Something the same density as our N900's screen | 12:59 |
| Hurrian | freak5, well, unless you want to pay $9999 on eBay for a N950 | 12:59 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st, i guess we'll get those specs if nokia decides to revive the NITs | 13:00 |
| Hurrian | uhh, the tablet NITs that is | 13:00 |
| robbiethe1st | Yea, maby. But it'll probably be someone else that does it, sadly. | 13:00 |
| Freak5 | Hurrian: I hoped "development version" means that they just don't want to support it :-/ | 13:01 |
| Freak5 | Is there any other manufacturer producing a mobile, which includes a keyboard and a real linux? | 13:01 |
| robbiethe1st | and I expect it to be a few years, sadly... | 13:01 |
| robbiethe1st | well, MeeGO should be "real" linux, I think | 13:01 |
| Freak5 | A meego on a HTC would be cool I guess | 13:01 |
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| Freak5 | At the moment I only know the maemo/meego mobiles of Nokia | 13:02 |
| robbiethe1st | also... http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/aava-mobiles-intel-moorestown-prototype-plays-world-of-warcraft/ | 13:02 |
| Arkenoi | is n950 really released in SIngapore? or is it an error? if not, why not in the rest of the world? | 13:02 |
| Hurrian | the only maemo devices are made by nokia, the meego devices are made by a few chinese companies | 13:02 |
| Hurrian | @freak5, once the RM680 EMMC finishes downloading, i'll check to see if i can get the image out of it | 13:03 |
| ruskie | Nokia announced four new phones at an event in Singapore today, three aimed at emerging markets and one at collectors of esoteric dead-end mobile hardware. <-- love the register comment | 13:03 |
| khertan | Hurrian, there is cheap chineese maemo copy of maemo 4 :) | 13:03 |
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| Hurrian | does it run maemo 4? | 13:03 |
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| Arkenoi | well, releasing keyboardless phone while killing qwerty one looks much like Elop's evil plan to show "your meego is doomed, not even fans will buy it", as a phone without qwerty hardly qualifies as n900 successor, and people who never owned n900 are unlikely to switch to new operating system | 13:04 |
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| khertan | Hurrian, a customized one ... with some part of maemo | 13:04 |
| khertan | Arkenoi, exactly | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | where's the RM680 flasher? | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | @ruskie, don't really get why nokia would bump the processor all the way up to the latest and greatest omap3. and still have a gpu still inferior to the iphone3g | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | @mag: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html | 13:05 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, on my hardware :) | 13:05 |
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| khertan | but it flash n900 with last maemo release :) | 13:05 |
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| Hurrian | MAG, saw the link? | 13:05 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, what hardware? you got the N9? | 13:06 |
| Hurrian | surprisingly, it didnt need a login | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | N950* | 13:06 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, nope an n900 | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh, /me clicks | 13:06 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, just a try ;) to see what happen | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | thanks Hurrian | 13:06 |
| ruskie | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/1098448 | 13:06 |
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| khertan | MohammadAG, as i launch it thinking it ll uncompress first ... but it s found my n900 on usb and try to flash it | 13:07 |
| Hurrian | apparently on linux it looks for phonet device, and with any hope it'll try to flash the n900 | 13:07 |
| khertan | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta_content_comparison.html | 13:07 |
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| Hurrian | fremantle update 7? did i miss something here? | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | well at least we know flasher isn't open source now :p | 13:08 |
| khertan | fremantle update 7 ? | 13:08 |
| MohammadAG | woah, big ass eMMC image | 13:09 |
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| Hurrian | MAG: 558 MB | 13:09 |
| Hurrian | lets hope it boots with the meego kernel | 13:09 |
| mece | heh the colors aren't always correct.. | 13:09 |
| khertan | you have flash a n900 with it ? | 13:10 |
| mece | 1:1.0.2-maemo4+0m5 vs 1.2.0+339+0m6 <- doesn't look like a downgrade to me.. | 13:10 |
| mece | are we already running harmattan on N900? | 13:10 |
| Hurrian | nooope | 13:10 |
| Hurrian | i'll probably do it tomorrow, i'll still have to get the full root | 13:11 |
| Freak5 | Hurrian: Do you know any device which could replace the N900 somewhen? Should I look up the chinese companies? Are their products competetive? | 13:11 |
| Termana | Freak5, wait and buy an N9 | 13:11 |
| Termana | Stop raging about the keyboard | 13:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Near as I can tell, nothing can replace the N900 | 13:11 |
| robbiethe1st | Termana: Um... | 13:12 |
| robbiethe1st | Keyboard == important. Hard to type out comments with a virtual keyboard | 13:12 |
| hiemanshu | and get a BT keyboard | 13:12 |
| Hurrian | robbiethe1st, true, but as long as no one else's making decent maemo/meego phones, there's no one else | 13:12 |
| mece | N950 seems quite nice imo. | 13:12 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: how about webOS? :P | 13:12 |
| hiemanshu | it has Qt too | 13:12 |
| Termana | mece, too bad it's not going retail. I would have rathered a retail n950 than the N9 | 13:13 |
| khertan | hiemanshu, try to use a bt keyboard in the subway | 13:13 |
| Hurrian | hiemanshu: big proprietary POS | 13:13 |
| khertan | hiemanshu, old qt version 4.5 | 13:13 |
| mece | Termana, yep. I think a lot of people agree with that. | 13:13 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: we have no subways in India :P | 13:13 |
| mece | Termana, are you a developer? | 13:13 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: heh :P | 13:13 |
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| hiemanshu | I wouldn't mind getting a developer N950 and paying for it | 13:14 |
| Hurrian | hiemanshu, prepare your anus | 13:14 |
| khertan | hiemanshu, so trying standing up in the bus to write | 13:14 |
| Termana | mece, yesish. I've done kernel work for the N810, but nothing much else for MeeGo/Maemo besides that | 13:14 |
| Freak5 | Is the keyboard the only difference between the N9 and N950 and it can be added like it is shown for the iPads? | 13:15 |
| hiemanshu | khertan: maybe they can make one with a case | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | freak5, nope | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | the n950's slider is built in like the n900 | 13:15 |
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| Hurrian | and nope, i dont want a crappy laptop kb case | 13:15 |
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| hiemanshu | Hurrian: ask swype to support meego | 13:16 |
| Termana | hiemanshu, You mean like the iPhone ones? We can be rich, quickly lets start on this idea. | 13:16 |
| ruskie | I wonder if there will be an accessory like the one for the iphone that attaches a small bt keyboard to the device | 13:16 |
| Termana | :p | 13:16 |
| Hurrian | that's viable, seeing as meego isn't just nokia | 13:16 |
| hiemanshu | Termana: err no, I meant swype like the android ones :P | 13:16 |
| Hurrian | termana, i'd like a case that wraps around the whole n9, making it look like a mini-laptop | 13:17 |
| ruskie | that would be nice as well | 13:17 |
| Freak5 | Hurrian: I didn't mean the slider mechanism. I just have never used a non PS/2 Keyboard yet. | 13:17 |
| hiemanshu | peopple still use PS/2? | 13:17 |
| ruskie | Hurrian, but it has one prob... you can't see the screen | 13:17 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, or they are confused and meant usb|ps/2 | 13:17 |
| ruskie | hiemanshu, and yes HP still ships their boxen with ps/2 crap by default | 13:18 |
| Freak5 | And I have seen people having problems with USB keyboards at their computers when changing bios options. Bluetooth will be even more problematic, won't it? | 13:18 |
| khertan | http://pastebin.com/0SWqx8JL <<< the know diff between n9 and n950 | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | ruskie, one like the HP laptop with rotating screen then | 13:18 |
| hiemanshu | ruskie: sure, I have a HDMI port on my GPU, doesn't mean I have to use it :P | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | the screen is inside a frame, going round and round | 13:18 |
| hiemanshu | Freak5: I have a wireless keyboard/mouse for almost all my computers, no issues at all | 13:19 |
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| Freak5 | hiemanshu: In case I want to use IRC or Skype on a train, there will be keyboards which are connectable to the screen? If I used one hand to hold the screen, there would be a half hand for typing, since I had to use two fingers for holding the keyboard, too. | 13:24 |
| Freak5 | One last question: I have heard that the N800 and N900 allowed an usb host mode. Will this be possible for the N900, too. Not that I really needed it, but it would open a lot of possebilities to show of. I could flash an ATmega by using a smartphone for example ^^ | 13:24 |
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| Hurrian | freak5, yes, hostmode works | 13:26 |
| Hurrian | on both devices. | 13:26 |
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| javispedro | on the n900 it might be a bit flaky | 13:26 |
| Hurrian | i can't speak for the n8x0 series, but on the n900, it's got everything i've thrown at it | 13:26 |
| hiemanshu | Freak5: you could always build yourself a case with anything you feel comfortable | 13:26 |
| javispedro | dunno if I'd use it for flashing anything | 13:26 |
| javispedro | (but it is doable) | 13:26 |
| Hurrian | 1TB hard drives, hp print+scanners, numerous flash drives | 13:27 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: and I assume you need a different cable for the hostmode? | 13:27 |
| Hurrian | you need a female-female usb adapter | 13:27 |
| Hurrian | the nokia otg cable will not fit | 13:27 |
| javispedro | ^^ | 13:27 |
| hiemanshu | ah, I have male to male, no female to female | 13:28 |
| hiemanshu | maybe I can make one | 13:28 |
| Freak5 | Hurrian: Lol I just Imagined someone having a big printer on his shoulder (like a Getthoblaster) searching for a power-socket to print stuff from his mobile :-P | 13:29 |
| Termana | Read in context, I think Freak5 might have actually been asking about host-mode on the N9/N950 | 13:29 |
| Termana | not the N900 | 13:29 |
| Termana | "I have heard that the N800 and N900 allowed an usb host mode. Will this be possible for the N900, too" | 13:30 |
| Freak5 | Err, yes. I was asking about the N9/N950. Argh... Thx. | 13:30 |
| Freak5 | I mistyped there. Sry | 13:30 |
| Freak5 | Is there something known about the N9? | 13:30 |
| Hurrian | uhh, the n9/50 will obv have otg | 13:30 |
| Hurrian | as with every nokia smartphone nowadays | 13:31 |
| khertan | there is a easy mod for an n9 keyboard : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013AX62K/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=1278548962&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0761121102&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0SW16P1WPB4JYJPSJ0K3 + http://www.amazon.com/Rii-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad-RT-MWK01/dp/B003UE52ME | 13:31 |
| Termana | khertan, lol scotch tape. I rikey | 13:31 |
| Freak5 | Hurrian: uhh, the n9/50 will obv have otg <- ??? obv , otg? | 13:31 |
| Hurrian | obviously have otg | 13:31 |
| Termana | Freak5, On The Go | 13:32 |
| Hurrian | sorry, typing this all out on a n900 | 13:32 |
| Termana | Freak5, it basically means yes in answer to your question | 13:33 |
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| jacekowski | nokia n9 info released | 13:33 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/ | 13:33 |
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| jacekowski | it's happening | 13:33 |
| jacekowski | meego device | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: And how do you think this is still news? :) | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | s/how/why/ | 13:34 |
| infobot | X-Fade meant: jacekowski: And why do you think this is still news? :) | 13:34 |
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| crashanddie | don't blame him, he's in the UK, one hour differnece | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | difference** | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | i've just heard it about it | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | Ah yeah, always laggy :) | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, you're in a stoner country, you can't make fun of people who "lag". | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: on d-day we will live hour longer | 13:35 |
| Freak5 | Hurrian: You are using IRC on your N900? It must be a good keyboard. I'll think about taping a N9 to a standalone minikeyboard then ^^ | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 13:35 |
| jacekowski | back to work | 13:35 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Does COBS have Harmattan targets yet? And is there going to be a wiki page on using Qt SDK and/or MeeGo SDK to target MeeGo & Harmattan through COBS? | 13:35 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: Working on it. | 13:35 |
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| X-Fade | Jaffa: The idea is to have full build targets at MeeGo cobs. | 13:36 |
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| crashanddie | haha | 13:38 |
| keks-n | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iTKd1AoYLg - what have I done ._. | 13:38 |
| Hurrian | Freak5, yes, i'm using the N900's keyboard. | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | CEO walks around, talking about wanting to buy our own TLD | 13:39 |
| crashanddie | Saying "I can live with a 150k euro investment if we're guaranteed to operate everything we want" | 13:39 |
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| Hurrian | >buy a TLD | 13:40 |
| Hurrian | WHY | 13:40 |
| keks-n | Guys, I managed to setup remote debuggin on N900 in visual studio ._. | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Did you tell him about the extra costs? :) Like people with skills and servers etc :) | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | Then I slip in "The 150k has to be paid regardless of TLD acceptance, so we could pay 150k and end up with nothing" | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, we run 200 servers? | 13:40 |
| Hurrian | keks-n, MSVS debugger blows! | 13:40 |
| X-Fade | crashanddie: Still, you need to assign time. And time is money :) | 13:40 |
| Hurrian | then again, gdb is worse :( | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, yeah, we can make up for that | 13:40 |
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| keks-n | gdb is useless with _managed_ code | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade, anyway, he doesn't want to gamble away 150k, so the discussion is over :) | 13:41 |
| Termana | crashanddie, you should have told him to buy ".ugo" | 13:41 |
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| Termana | would have made some great domain names | 13:41 |
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| Termana | here.ugo, thisway.ugo | 13:41 |
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| hiemanshu | so converting a male to female to a female to female usb hub would work for the N900? | 13:51 |
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| ruskie | shouldn't really matter since all you're doing is just connecting wires | 13:52 |
| ruskie | the type isn't an issue | 13:52 |
| Freak5 | I wondered about the same ^^. But then it would be just sick if somebody sits somewhere having a mobile printer, hard disk and a keyboard connected to a phone ^^ | 13:52 |
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| Hurrian | freak5, what do you think i'll retire the N900 to once i find a suitable new device? | 13:53 |
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| mece | The N900 will be much more awesome as a secondary device, because then I don't have to worry about breaking it when hacking :) | 13:54 |
| Freak5 | Hurrian: If you ask that way....err... I don't know. | 13:54 |
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| Hurrian | freak5, nettop :) | 13:55 |
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| MohammadAG | the N950 will have a 2GB /home | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | 4GB preserve, whatever that is | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | and the rest is "mmc2", an equivalent of MyDocs | 13:57 |
| internetishard | mece, isn't there a way to have two partitions, one you can fuck up and one you can use for everything else? kind of like dual booting OSs on computers? | 13:57 |
| Hurrian | mag, O RLY? | 13:57 |
| MohammadAG | there seems to be a way to restore CAL backups through flasher | 13:58 |
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| internetishard | I mean, why can't it be designed the way PC OSs are - those don't "brick" | 13:58 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, that's what the image says :p | 13:58 |
| mece | internetishard, well you can easily run something from microsd | 13:58 |
| internetishard | you just boot the backup kernel, or wathever | 13:58 |
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| mece | N900 is really hard to brick | 13:58 |
| Hurrian | mag, downloaded the image? | 13:58 |
| mece | by brick I mean brick | 13:58 |
| internetishard | Sure yeah. | 13:58 |
| internetishard | I thought I did once, but I didn't | 13:59 |
| Hurrian | if anyone's done with the image, lemme know if it has the full root | 13:59 |
| Termana | mece, well I don't know about that. Having someone dip mine in water did the trick ;) :p | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, yes | 13:59 |
| NIN101 | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/non-free/b/bme/ i laughed. | 13:59 |
| MohammadAG | root seems to live on the eMMC if I'm not mistaken | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | yaaaaaaaaaay | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | maemo.org's gonna have a field day | 14:00 |
| mece | Termana, well that happens to a pc too... | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG | Qt libraries are in the image, as well as an agreement between the developer and Nokia | 14:00 |
| nusse | so i need to become a developer | 14:00 |
| Termana | NIN101, no one expected BME to become open | 14:00 |
| Termana | And if you did, you were kidding yourself from the start | 14:00 |
| NIN101 | yes I know. | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | mag, lol agreement | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG | maps app is Ovi Maps For Developers | 14:01 |
| Hurrian | anyone have any idea what the kernel version is? | 14:01 |
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| MohammadAG | probably 2.6.37 | 14:02 |
| Hurrian | good! | 14:02 |
| javispedro | why does this aegisfs thing sound much like palmpre's cryptofs | 14:02 |
| NIN101 | 2.6.32 | 14:02 |
| NIN101 | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/k/kernel/ | 14:02 |
| NIN101 | if you trust this of course | 14:02 |
| Hurrian | javispedro, probably another NIH from nokia | 14:02 |
| javispedro | both are propietary | 14:02 |
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| Hurrian | 2.6.32. oh nokia, what are you doing | 14:03 |
| javispedro | bah | 14:03 |
| javispedro | newer kernels are a waste of power either way | 14:03 |
| Hurrian | oh well, hopefully they didnt patch that kernel everywhere | 14:03 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: tell RHEL who are on .18 :P | 14:03 |
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| internetishard | Is there a bootloader to choose OSs to boot? | 14:04 |
| javispedro | my isp was on 2.4 until this week | 14:04 |
| MohammadAG | let's make sure of that | 14:04 |
| internetishard | one that kicks in before stuff you usually brake when messing with one OS? | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ((USB hotmode/OTG)<Freak5> Is there something known about the N9?) the spec page doesn't mention any of those capabilities | 14:05 |
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| MohammadAG | oooh flasher is quite intersting | 14:05 |
| internetishard | running xcalib on the n900 would be sweet | 14:05 |
| FIQ|n900 | So, Nokia is confusing | 14:05 |
| MohammadAG | http://paste.ubuntu.com/630358/ have fun | 14:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | First they announce maemo/moblin merge, spending money on it, then switches to winmobile... and all of a sudden announces a MeeGo phone? | 14:06 |
| FIQ|n900 | winphone* i guess | 14:06 |
| NIN101 | I don't like the "cert" parts. | 14:07 |
| pabs3 | FIQ|n900: not only that, the MeeGo phone has Maemo underneath | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | FIQ|n900: This has been the strategy since Feb11th | 14:07 |
| Trewas | FIQ|n900: the most surprising thing was releasing a maemo phone over a year after it was killed in favor of meego | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | the image I was linked to is a self extracting image, not a flasher one -> 150M emmc.bin 408M img.bin | 14:07 |
| Jaffa | pabs3: Define "Maemo"? Have you looked at the package comparison between Maemo 5 & Harmattan? | 14:07 |
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| pabs3 | Jaffa: Maemo has always been .deb based, seems Harmattan is too? | 14:08 |
| internetishard | how hard do you think it would be to port a simple unix app with an xorg dep to maemo? | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | ooh | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG | RX-71 images in img.bin | 14:09 |
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| MohammadAG | RM-716 too, as well as RM-696 | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | pabs3: Yes. But you think the packaging is *really* that important? | 14:09 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Interesting. Maybe RX-71 -> RM-680? | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: \o/ | 14:10 |
| pabs3 | Jaffa: IIRC its part of the spec for MeeGo | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | NIN101 is right, Linux version 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20112P | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, no, references for lots of devices, RM-71, RM-716, RM-680, RM-690, RM-696 | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | cmt-algo_RM-660+RM-680 cmt-algo_RM-690 cmt-algo_RM-696 cmt-algo_RM-716 cmt-algo_RX-71 | 14:11 |
| nid0 | im confused, nokia conversations is talking about a new design of charger theyll be shipping with the n9 | 14:11 |
| javispedro | well, no sense to keep different fw | 14:11 |
| nid0 | that comes in white | 14:11 |
| nid0 | for a phone that's black, pink, or blue :\ | 14:11 |
| javispedro | for a dev device | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | as well as lots of HW Revisions for the RM-680 | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | pabs3: Yes. However, I've got an app which can run on Symbian, Maemo 5, Harmattan and MeeGo with very little changes. | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG | HW revisions here http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=B5PBxBSD | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | nid0: And it's exactly like the Kindle's. | 14:12 |
| Jaffa | nid0: ...with a black cable. | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG | mmc0 and mmc1 images too, I wonder if they have two eMMCs in the device | 14:13 |
| Hurrian | MAG, how are you unpacking it? | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG at his best - dissecting new "firmware" releases :-D | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: go, GOOOOO | 14:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: I guess with the appropriate flasher command | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG | they packed flasher binaries in the bin | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: quite possibly two eMMC, to make for 64GB | 14:15 |
| Hurrian | ah, i thought he was extracting root images | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | haven't tried the old flasher, this one seems a bit nicer | 14:15 |
| internetishard | does it matter what kind of USB cable I get to go from the micro usb to a usb thumb drive? | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | wiping user data, restoring cal etc | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | --backup-cal=ARG Take backup of CAL area | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | --restore-cal=ARG Restore CAL area | 14:16 |
| NIN101 | MohammadAG, could you give us a link to the image you have? | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | someone gave it to me some lines up | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: use a good one :-) | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | <Hurrian> @mag: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html | 14:16 |
| cloudyLights | MohammadAG: any dea why this happens to me http://dpaste.com/556873/ ? | 14:16 |
| NIN101 | thx | 14:17 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer: sorry I don't follow | 14:17 |
| cloudyLights | I am using a 64 bit pc, but ran the vdsd=0 thing | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | cloudyLights, sb-menu -> last option (kill), signal 11 | 14:17 |
| internetishard | Is it better with a hub? Good one = shorter? what? | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG | and try again | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: actually it doesn't matter much | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: though we've seen a lot of troubles on H-E-N caused by poor cables and esp defect USB-F - USB-F adapters | 14:18 |
| cloudyLights | MohammasAG: solved! thanks | 14:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how's your day? :-D | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | rootfs is 4GBs | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | type ext4 | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 14:19 |
| ruskie | O.o | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | expected ubifs or btrfs | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | oh well | 14:20 |
| internetishard | Yeah, might get this: http://cgi.ebay.com/short-Usb-2-0-female-micro-B-male-cable-adapter-/320716171819?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item4aac2c6a2b goes right to it | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably no NAND for rootfs | 14:20 |
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| MohammadAG | label = "rootfs"; | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | size = 4096; | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | fs_type = "ext4"; | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | options = "anyfstype"; | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: sounds good, yes | 14:20 |
| cloudyLights | MohammadAG: I still can't get X to work in scratchbox | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if NOLO changes the fs type on device | 14:20 |
| cloudyLights | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start | 14:21 |
| cloudyLights | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found | 14:21 |
| Hurrian | ext4, oh well | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | the 4GB rootfs and 4GB reserve are interesting | 14:21 |
| Hurrian | i wanted btrfs :( | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if it's some sort of backup option for devs to store rootfs backups | 14:21 |
| Hurrian | mag, 4GB reserve is probably for bad block reallocation | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | there's also another 2GB reserve, probably for /home | 14:21 |
| Hurrian | or nokia will troll us and use 4GB for swap | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | no | 14:22 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure it's for backups | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: highly unlikely | 14:22 |
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| MohammadAG | 4GB rootfs, 4GB reserve on other eMMC | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | 2GB /home, 2GB reserve on other eMMC | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | recovery OS | 14:22 |
| cloudyLights | but I like your "feed" here about the N950 better... | 14:22 |
| internetishard | phones like this seem to need a better von neumann architecture | 14:22 |
| Hurrian | wait, hold on a sec. nokia's using 2 EMMC's, UNSTRIPED? | 14:22 |
| cloudyLights | but when someone can help me with scratchbox - please do | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | so it's basically each eMMC backing up the other | 14:23 |
| internetishard | between cpu cache, memory, and fairly low latency flash | 14:23 |
| internetishard | Maybe it is merely a lack of RAM though | 14:23 |
| OkropNick | great news: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-announces-MeeGo-powered-N9-smartphone-1264199.html | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: where's the use of such fancy stuff when there'S only one interface and both are slow on writing back a block | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | cloudyLights, install nokia binaries | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | eMMC layouts here http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Tiwvs5Sc | 14:24 |
| internetishard | yeah, since only devs need to be able to type | 14:24 |
| Hurrian | ds, isn't the omap3 soc able to handle multiple mmc devices? | 14:24 |
| internetishard | elitist assholes | 14:24 |
| Hurrian | internetishard: see massive success of slabphones | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | SDK is on device | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | installable over USB mass storage | 14:25 |
| internetishard | understood | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API_Reference_Beta.zip SDK-installer-os-x.dmg | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | SDK-installer-linux-32bit.bin SDK-installer-windows.exe | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG | SDK-installer-linux-64bit.bin | 14:25 |
| internetishard | critique not withdrawn | 14:26 |
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| Hurrian | MAG: SDK is on device | 14:26 |
| Hurrian | ? | 14:26 |
| Hurrian | did they strap all the headers etc on it? | 14:26 |
| MohammadAG | yes, meaning devs don't have to download it when they get the N950, simply plug and install | 14:26 |
| MohammadAG | mmc1 is the system eMMC image | 14:27 |
| Hurrian | that's great, no more downloading 350MB of crap only to have it sputter on non-debian systems | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | containing /home | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | .lzo files are compressed files right? | 14:27 |
| hiemanshu | yeah | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | how do I uncompress them? | 14:28 |
| Hurrian | unlzo | 14:28 |
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| Hurrian | oops | 14:28 |
| Hurrian | lzop | 14:28 |
| Hurrian | apt-get install lzop | 14:28 |
| Hurrian | lzop -d maemo6.lzop :) | 14:28 |
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| MohammadAG | # lzop -d rootfs.lzo | 14:29 |
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| MohammadAG | lzop: rootfs.lzo: not a lzop file | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG | :/ | 14:29 |
| Hurrian | D: | 14:29 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: file rootfs.lzo | 14:29 |
| hiemanshu | should tell you type of file | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | # file rootfs.lzo | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | rootfs.lzo: data | 14:30 |
| Hurrian | wut | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 14:30 |
| Hurrian | goddamn it nokia | 14:30 |
| hiemanshu | data means binary but it can understand it :/ | 14:30 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: head rootfs.lzo | 14:31 |
| Hurrian | when file says data, it does not know what the fuck it is | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | nothing helpful hiemanshu :/ | 14:31 |
| hiemanshu | Hurrian: yeah | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bash Nokia lzo | 14:31 |
| * infobot beats Nokia lzo with ksh | 14:31 | |
| Hurrian | in before nokia stripped the magic off the lzo file | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I sometimes wonder if she's way more conscious than we would think | 14:32 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=fw3ijhsR | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: try ksh ;-P | 14:32 |
| Hurrian | rootfs | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | (j/k) | 14:33 |
| Hurrian | well, apparently it's packed | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 14:33 |
| hiemanshu | yeah, its packed | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | gives me ideas | 14:33 |
| hiemanshu | it shows /mnt | 14:33 |
| Hurrian | MAG, lzop -df file.lzo | 14:34 |
| Hurrian | might help | 14:34 |
| Hurrian | oops | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | I need fiasco-gen :/ | 14:34 |
| Hurrian | lzop -dff file.lzo | 14:34 |
| jrayhawk | internetishard: the rumormill's been that the n950 was severely delayed due to hinge problems; it's probably not going to go into a full production run any time soon and the development runs are unsellable, so handing out legally-locked-down loaners is the friendliest compromise Nokia can offer. | 14:34 |
| Hurrian | do eet :) | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | # lzop -dff rootfs.lzo | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | lzop: rootfs.lzo: not a lzop file | 14:35 |
| Hurrian | D: | 14:35 |
| Hurrian | - try to decompress files that do not have a valid suffix | 14:35 |
| Hurrian | - try to handle compressed files with unknown header flags | 14:35 |
| Hurrian | nooo | 14:35 |
| hiemanshu | MohammadAG: try mounting it? | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | two USB interfaces to flash? Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting... | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no dice | 14:35 |
| * hiemanshu shoots nokia in the head | 14:36 | |
| MohammadAG | # ./flasher -r rootfs.lzo | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | flasher 3.11.5 (May 17 2011) Harmattan | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | ERROR: rootfs in this format requires a layout file - you need to use fiasco-gen | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | ERROR: Error processing option -r | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lempel–Ziv–Oberhumer WIWF | 14:36 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder if I should backup my N900's cal and try to restore it | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | with the Harmattan flasher | 14:37 |
| Hurrian | in before brick | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | backup should be read only, /me tries it | 14:37 |
| Hurrian | well, if backup doesn't work, you know what not to do :) | 14:37 |
| cloudyLights | MohammadAG: are you now trying to install maemo6 on your N900? | 14:37 |
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| cloudyLights | or did you allready have the N950? | 14:37 |
| Hurrian | cloudyLights: dont we all want to install maemo 6? | 14:37 |
| cloudyLights | sorry I am at work trying to keep up with this channel | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: STOP IT | 14:38 |
| bash` | guys I just installed aptitude but it segfaults: | 14:38 |
| bash` | Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying .. | 14:38 |
| bash` | Segmentation fault | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | make a conventional "backup" first (dd) | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | ERROR: Failed to backup CAL: Use APE flashing algorithm. | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | in case nothing helps you probably can dd it back to NAND | 14:39 |
| bash` | aptitude segfaults after "Building tag databases" | 14:39 |
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| MohammadAG | well, new flasher features don't work, bummer | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | cloudyLights, nope, no N950 | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | otherwise I'd be probably be tied to some agreement to stfu about all I said :p | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I bet these new features aren't tailored to cooperate with old NOLO | 14:42 |
| internetishard | jrayhawk: Well, why not start with something that is tried and true (*hadhhjn900dacksagh*) instead of doing something from scratch? | 14:45 |
| internetishard | Then you won't have hinge problems | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, worse | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | I tried to read something about the CMT | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | it failed | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG | booted up back to maemo, and I have a crossed sim | 14:45 |
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| jrayhawk | Actually, the question is more "why not start many things and par down the ones that don't work". Which they did. | 14:46 |
| jrayhawk | And now we have the N9. | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: OUCH | 14:46 |
| haj | anyone ever tried to dump a backup of N900's calendar and convert it to something useful that can be imported into google.. ? | 14:47 |
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| internetishard | n900 did work jrayhawk | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it recoverd? | 14:47 |
| internetishard | haj, I wish | 14:47 |
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| jrayhawk | Are you arguing that you want an N900 running meego? Because that option is still entirely available to you. | 14:47 |
| internetishard | not at all | 14:47 |
| edheldil | haj: it's just sqlite db | 14:47 |
| internetishard | Just keep the qualities of their previous phone that people chose it for being the best on the market in terms of | 14:48 |
| internetishard | (hardware keyboard, etc) | 14:48 |
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| MohammadAG | not yet | 14:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | internetishard: the N900 kbd been criticised a lot for only being 3row, too clumsy, whatnot | 14:49 |
| Hurrian | MAG, it actually wrote to mtd1? | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | I'll try flashing the cmt again in a bit | 14:49 |
| internetishard | Indeed, at least it is physical, though | 14:49 |
| haj | edheldil: I know.. just wondered.. :) I'm still hoping Nokia gives me a N900 back soon... though I guess it's going to take them months.. | 14:50 |
| Hurrian | i still have 2 hours remaining on the EMMC image download D: | 14:50 |
| jrayhawk | So you're arguing that it was a bad idea to attempt to innovate the keyboard they way they did. | 14:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | haj: tell them you want a N950 instead :-P | 14:50 |
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| haj | DocScrutinizer: don't think that will work.. :) | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 14:51 |
| internetishard | who, jrayhawk? | 14:51 |
| jrayhawk | Or the hinge, rather. | 14:51 |
| internetishard | innovate, copy? | 14:51 |
| haj | DocScrutinizer: the keyboard was better on 9300i | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | haj: I dunno N950 kbd | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I always thought N810 kbd been better than N900 | 14:52 |
| internetishard | the fact that the n900 slides open probably saves enough time to make up for the gap between the 9300i and itself (for my usage pattern anyway) | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lot likes to disagree | 14:53 |
| haj | DocScrutinizer: .. compared to N900.. :) | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno 9300i either | 14:53 |
| jrayhawk | I'm with you on the n810. The properly functioning USB and ample use of aluminum were also big advantages. | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 14:55 |
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| Termana | I personally liked the N900 keyboard better than the N810 keyboard, the N900 one felt more responsive | 14:56 |
| Hurrian | mag, any breakthroughs? | 14:56 |
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| jrayhawk | Well, it probably was more responsive, what with the better hardware. | 14:56 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, m modem broke :p | 14:56 |
| Termana | No, I bent the tactile feedback being more responsive | 14:56 |
| Termana | meant* | 14:56 |
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| Shapeshifter | excuse me, but what is this? http://www.worldofnokia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/jpeg-588x441.jpg | 14:57 |
| Termana | Oh gees here we go | 14:57 |
| Termana | Did you just wake up too? | 14:57 |
| jrayhawk | That's an n950 developer phone in graphite. | 14:57 |
| jrayhawk | That thing we are all sad we don't get to buy for the time being. | 14:58 |
| Hurrian | MAG well, at least we now know not to use flasher-4.0 with the n900 :) | 14:58 |
| Shapeshifter | jrayhawk: ah. will it probably be released somewhere in the future? | 14:58 |
| Shapeshifter | ah I see | 14:58 |
| Shapeshifter | too bad. | 14:58 |
| Termana | Shapeshifter, the N9 will be retailed | 14:58 |
| Shapeshifter | looks decent. | 14:58 |
| Termana | but not the N950 | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WTF?!!! :-o | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | rmmoding and insmoding the SIM module fixed it | 14:58 |
| Shapeshifter | well, clearly I stick with the n900 then ^^ | 14:58 |
| Hurrian | shapeshifter, that looks like a graphite jessie's girl | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if it's my device being retarded rather than flasher | 14:58 |
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| MohammadAG | (it drops the sim sometimes) | 14:58 |
| jrayhawk | I expect they want to put the n950 on the market, but it'll depend on how fast and how well they can fix it and what the market looks like by the time they do. | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder when N950 requests are processed | 14:59 |
| jrayhawk | A lot of things can go wrong. | 14:59 |
| Termana | jrayhawk, I'm not sure i like calling it the "developer phone", after all, we can assume since there is only around 250 of them, if it gets at least a bit popular developers will have to be buying N9s | 14:59 |
| jrayhawk | There's 250 for developer.nokia.com and 250 for Meego, and also a large number floating around for partner companies and internal development. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! | 15:00 |
| mece | qgil, said there are more for the commercial side on developer.nokia.com | 15:01 |
| mece | erm | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, you can't get 2 N950s | 15:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | by the way, why isn't it possible to 'hint' the GPS module where you are even without cell towers, like - on a map. can't you mimmick the A-GPS funcitoniality by pointing on a map saying "I'm roughly here"? | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | It probably is. | 15:05 |
| SpeedEvil | But... | 15:05 |
| jrayhawk | The n810 had an app for that, even. | 15:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Bets on nokia stock price on the NYSE 1 hour after start of trade? Currently at 5.85 - I think 6.2 | 15:07 |
| nid0 | well, premarket's up to 5.97 so far | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: it works like that on N810 AGPS beta app | 15:07 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: does it speed up the fix? | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, the N9 doesn't have HDMI/OTG? | 15:07 |
| nid0 | seems not | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: should | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 15:08 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/21/aliens_comms_for_us_firefighters/ <-- nice idea | 15:08 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, AGPS on the n810 sped things up significantly. | 15:08 |
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| RST38h | Wait wait, I forgot the REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION: | 15:09 |
| RST38h | Does N9 have the color LED????? | 15:09 |
| jrayhawk | Especially since the n810, IIRC, did not actually store your last position. | 15:09 |
| ThreeM | RST38h nope xD | 15:10 |
| RST38h | ThreeM: Noooooooooooooooooooooo | 15:10 |
| X-Fade | It is amoled, just show some color pixels on a black screen :) | 15:10 |
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| nid0 | the lack of hdmi is quite baffling :\ | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: Penetrations in a case like it has are challenging | 15:11 |
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| rlinfati | strings ape-algo | grep modules -> auth_rpcgss? ramzswap?? | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: Putting the HDMI slot in the case I suspect is not possible | 15:12 |
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| nid0 | SpeedEvil, it happily has 2 flap-covered slots for the usb and sim trays :\ | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, he was referring to the RGB LED :P | 15:12 |
| jrayhawk | Nokia has not historically been shy about making weird connectors. | 15:12 |
| nid0 | and the one for the usb charger seems way bigger than it needs to be | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, I know :) | 15:12 |
| rlinfati | ape is a initrdfs ? | 15:12 |
| X-Fade | nid0: The device is just that small. | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: the problem is the screen has limited angle of visibility | 15:13 |
| khertan | and the kbd | 15:13 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: So does a led? | 15:14 |
| khertan | ... ok ... i repeat myself and go out | 15:14 |
| vi__ | nid0: the entire N9 concept is quite baffling | 15:14 |
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| vi__ | ds | 15:14 |
| javispedro | omg Stskeeps | 15:14 |
| javispedro | behave gentleman! | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: N810's LED arguably did | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | ah, damn autojoin.. | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
| javispedro | *gentlemen ;) | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: For OLED - not so much | 15:15 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: You know you love it here :) | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: - limited angle | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ?? | 15:15 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, lol | 15:15 |
| * ShadowJK stumbles in without a backlog and guesses the N9 wasn't what people expected? (still haven't checked on it myself) | 15:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: For n9 | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | no, just morbidly interested in that people claimed they're dissecting emmc images ;) | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | and wanted to see them work | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | First impression.. "It looks like a samsung" ... "...with nokia ugly added" | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG | that was one hour ago :P | 15:16 |
| ShadowJK | "Just a swipe away" eh.. isn't apple going to sue? | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: IF you have an OLED display and can power efficiently flash a small area of it for notifications - much of hte justification for the multicolour LED goes away. | 15:16 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Reading Gizmodo? | 15:17 |
| ruskie | ShadowJK, well pretty is in the eye of the beholder ;) | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, well if you have a controller than can do it autonmously like on N900, so you avoid CPU wakeups to do the flashing :P | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: indeed. | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, nope, I entered nokiaconnection.net in browser, and that took me to "swipe.nokia.com" | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, that could be onboard the display | 15:17 |
| rlinfati | trings ape-algo | grep nand -> nand=total-device-destruction | 15:17 |
| ShadowJK | I haven't seen any reactions yet | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | You absolutely don't want to do this on the CPU | 15:17 |
| * ShadowJK wasn't quoting | 15:17 | |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for one like N900's for sure | 15:18 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: I have checked some on Engadget and they looked suspisiously positive | 15:18 |
| khertan | RST38h, this is because it look like an iPhone | 15:18 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, that's because their overlord Eldar told them to, surely | 15:18 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Of course, Gizmodo is back to its "it is not apple and not microsoft so it is a zombie os" again | 15:18 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: No, eldar's sphincter has failed as of this morning | 15:18 |
| ruskie | el-reg wasn't much better | 15:18 |
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| RST38h | ShadowJK: He is literally oozing shit about the poor device | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | hey where are details. This site is just telling me stupid things like "Dolby 5.1". Wtf, I want to know if it plays matroska | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | link? | 15:19 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Does not | 15:19 |
| RST38h | But a moment... | 15:19 |
| ruskie | http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/doc/1-nokia-n9-data-sheet.pdf | 15:19 |
| ShadowJK | http://swipe.nokia.com/features/ | 15:19 |
| javispedro | the task navigator and app launching is waay too webos3 ;) | 15:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Follow links from here: http://abbra.livejournal.com/174842.html | 15:20 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: Ignore the text | 15:20 |
| ShadowJK | "combine your email accounts into one inbox" <- oh jesus, the email client is worse than before | 15:20 |
| ruskie | hehe | 15:20 |
| vi__ | ShadowJK: | 15:20 |
| vi__ | !! | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/ | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | matroska supported | 15:21 |
| ShadowJK | vi__, I interpreted that as "We thought sorting email into folders was stupid, so we piled all your email into one big pile to make it easier to find!" :-) | 15:21 |
| javispedro | shadowjk: hey, it plays vorbis. | 15:21 |
| RST38h | Doc: really? | 15:21 |
| javispedro | shadowjk: that should account for something! | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: says that page | 15:21 |
| RST38h | BTW, returning to earth, has anyone else noticed that many Maemo5 games no longer play audio? | 15:21 |
| ruskie | Video Playback Formats 3GPP formats (H.263), ASF, AVI, Flash Video, H.264/AVC, Matroska, MPEG-4, VC-1, WMV 9, <-- hmm Matroska is there | 15:21 |
| javispedro | RST38H: I'd have noticed... | 15:21 |
| vi__ | RST38h: for example? | 15:21 |
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| ruskie | even does flac and ogg | 15:22 |
| RST38h | Gweled, Hex-a-pop, TecnoballZ all fail to play sound | 15:22 |
| edheldil | is not amoled prone to show ghost images after a 1 or so? | 15:22 |
| RST38h | edheldil: no | 15:22 |
| edheldil | 1 year | 15:22 |
| keks-n | >>hmm Matroska is there | 15:22 |
| keks-n | I hope it will support embedded ASS | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | edheldil: yes | 15:22 |
| edheldil | eh :) | 15:22 |
| ShadowJK | "Body made of one piece with smooth shapes" <- external battery back required. | 15:22 |
| RST38h | ah 1 year | 15:22 |
| vi__ | edheldil: thats ok, support is only 1 year. | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | The camera and Navigation features, if true this thime, look just awesome :-) | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed, cam looks good | 15:23 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK; Surely it is all a false impression! | 15:23 |
| ruskie | the micro sim thing is annoying though | 15:23 |
| ShadowJK | Webkit2 <- I guess nobody can figure out how to make firefox stop focus stealing (killing VKBDs) | 15:23 |
| ruskie | someone needs to shoot apple for that | 15:24 |
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| ruskie | webkit is nice | 15:24 |
| Hurrian | people can just cut up regular SIM's | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: at that pricetag they can affor to swap the sceen/device once, until warranty expirs | 15:24 |
| javispedro | shadowjk: haha | 15:24 |
| ruskie | or do regular sims actually fit back into normal devices as well? | 15:24 |
| SpeedEvil | ruskie: If you cut up the SIM, there are adaptors to take you back | 15:24 |
| ruskie | and why isn't there built in SyncML??? | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | (micro sim) I'm already wondering if there are adapters like for uSD | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-D | 15:25 |
| ShadowJK | My operator will refuse me micro sim for sure | 15:25 |
| ruskie | and I'm guessing my cellco will be willing to rape me for the price of the microsim | 15:25 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Dealextreme has one | 15:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | A little cookie cutter to go big to little, and an adaptor the other way | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm a bit reluctant to cut up my ancient (crackable) SIM anyway | 15:26 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: not really good design though | 15:26 |
| ruskie | fun 11eur for a sim -> microsim replacement | 15:26 |
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| ShadowJK | What about h264, just baseline profile again, or does it do main and high too? | 15:27 |
| RST38h | Hmm...no HDMI again. | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruskie: get a cutter and two beer | 15:27 |
| javispedro | docscrutinizer: like if you are going to get the device! ;) | 15:27 |
| RST38h | Why the hell skip on HDMI? | 15:27 |
| * ShadowJK has about 3 spare sims to try with though.. | 15:27 | |
| javispedro | or have you been indoctrinated on capacitive already? | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: konttori suggested I should get one | 15:27 |
| javispedro | omg | 15:28 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Just get used to capacitive | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: even though I'm not at all excited | 15:28 |
| ShadowJK | is the battery swappable or not? | 15:28 |
| javispedro | and you accepted without complaining | 15:28 |
| javispedro | ! | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | not easily | 15:28 |
| ruskie | and apparently I can't take a combo double sim with one card being a microsim... | 15:28 |
| RST38h | Oh he complained | 15:28 |
| * MohammadAG whistles http://i52.tinypic.com/14b2edu.jpg | 15:28 | |
| RST38h | Mohammad: yeah. | 15:28 |
| javispedro | mohammandag: qt sdk... | 15:29 |
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| MohammadAG | probably has some device headers | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hehe, get coffe, tea or whatever you usually use for those occasions | 15:29 |
| * javispedro ponders whther trying to get some sleep or get up and get into the computer and update sbox... | 15:30 | |
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| ruskie | I might as well get the two sims - one number package... that way I can cut one up and the other leave normally | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: backside secured with screws | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | no use installing it without a device | 15:30 |
| ShadowJK | More importantly, does it have bq27200 | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | and it's an online installer | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm still waiting to see the first bootlog | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | so devs have to download crap, meh | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: why don't you chec the kernel.. | 15:31 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Doesn't come with an emulator? | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, doesn't seem like it | 15:31 |
| RST38h | mghm | 15:31 |
| rlinfati | libbb5 ? | 15:31 |
| * MohammadAG unzips API references | 15:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | libWHAT? | 15:32 |
| * vi__ unzips pants | 15:32 | |
| khertan | online installer failed and failed again | 15:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: FOSS? | 15:32 |
| javispedro | rst38h: sbox does have x86 nokia-binaries. someone mentioned ui does not boot the usual way though | 15:32 |
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| ShadowJK | or will we have to rely on the bme battery reporting algorithm of int battery_percent { static float percentage; return percentage - (float)rand() / (float) (2^31); | 15:32 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, it wasn't in N900 kernel either | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, which sbox? | 15:32 |
| javispedro | harmattan-beta | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG | where's that? | 15:33 |
| javispedro | the url is somewhere on my microb's history.. | 15:33 |
| rlinfati | DocScrutinizer -> related to the "security" framework .... :/ sw cert, etc | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | OUCH | 15:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Good to hear it has still got sbox | 15:33 |
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| openstandards | the n950 doesn't seem that much more powerful than the n900 to be fair... | 15:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws up on "security framework" | 15:33 | |
| RST38h | openstand: check the RAM size | 15:34 |
| khertan | and the cpu | 15:34 |
| RST38h | Then remember that low RAM is the single worst performance issue with N900 | 15:34 |
| openstandards | RST38h: any link to the spec of the ram? | 15:34 |
| rlinfati | libbb5-secbins::SEE_SimLock3Operation :/ | 15:34 |
| RST38h | openstand: google | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | twice the ram, twice the clock (not for GFX) | 15:34 |
| javispedro | talking about security fw | 15:34 |
| openstandards | RST38h: i did google it first i found out it had a 1ghz cpu but that was it | 15:34 |
| javispedro | theres something called aegisfs | 15:35 |
| openstandards | and the 4inch cap screen | 15:35 |
| RST38h | openstand: continue learning to use google. | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: 200mhz gfx clock | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: n900 is 110 | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 15:35 |
| javispedro | i suspect this is the same as cryptofs on a palm pre | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | so no, not twice, but ..:P | 15:35 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, it s twice :) | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | not twice though | 15:35 |
| khertan | not really ... | 15:35 |
| khertan | but near | 15:35 |
| khertan | :) | 15:35 |
| javispedro | that is, encrypted drmd storage for "protected" apps and media | 15:35 |
| openstandards | 1GB OF ram? | 15:35 |
| RST38h | javispedro: does it cover the whole / or just /really-useless-crap-you-buy-from-a-web-store ? | 15:35 |
| javispedro | rst38h: on a pre, the latter. dunno about harmattan... | 15:36 |
| mece | openstandards, yes. | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | who of the "men in black" is going to pastebin a bootlog of N950 now | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 15:36 |
| RST38h | <TheBootroo:#meego> i would like working at nokia | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | s n950 available? | 15:36 |
| rlinfati | radio-wl1273 ? fm radio? | 15:36 |
| RST38h | He is good. You have to admit he is really good at trolling, this guy. | 15:36 |
| jacekowski | is* | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: wireless radio | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, only 250 units | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: WLAN | 15:37 |
| javispedro | qgil said that they're shipping them now for certain devs | 15:37 |
| javispedro | (n950s) | 15:37 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: where from? | 15:37 |
| rlinfati | mtdswap.ko :) | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | swap's on an mtd? | 15:37 |
| keks-n | oh shi~ | 15:37 |
| Hurrian | wuuuut | 15:37 |
| keks-n | It's not funny | 15:37 |
| rlinfati | JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko | 15:38 |
| javispedro | rlinfati: note that ramzswap was pretty much extraoficially confirmed by konttory | 15:38 |
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| ShadowJK | ramzswap + mtdswap? | 15:38 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, jacekowski, someone has informed me that there are 250 through meego.com, 250 through developers.nokia.com and a few more for Nokia partners etc. | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | makes sense | 15:38 |
| rlinfati | javispedro, ok... i'm string'ing the flash image :P | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least a bit | 15:38 |
| rlinfati | http://paste.ubuntu.com/630386/ <- modules | 15:38 |
| javispedro | it should't be hard to unpack | 15:38 |
| javispedro | so no need to string.. | 15:39 |
| khertan | Termana, the qgil blog post inform you ? | 15:39 |
| khertan | :) | 15:39 |
| ShadowJK | Oh, finnish radio presented the news awesomely. They said "We nominate Nokia as 'the weeks winnar' for announcing a phone with an operating system that no longer exists" :-) | 15:39 |
| javispedro | hhaha | 15:39 |
| Termana | khertan, no, someone on one of the channels here :p | 15:39 |
| Termana | khertan, they probably read the qgil blog post | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: haha | 15:39 |
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| MohammadAG | JoikuSpot_Bouncer.ko damn | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ok, you got no backscroll I guess | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WUT??? | 15:40 |
| javispedro | docscrutinizer: i'm on n900 | 15:40 |
| javispedro | well, sleep be damned, lets boot the computer. | 15:40 |
| ShadowJK | Supposedly "wifi hotspot" will be preinstalled on N9. I guess that explains joikuspot... | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: MohammadAG tried to unlzo it... fail | 15:40 |
| khertan | mmc { | 15:40 |
| khertan | name = "internal"; | 15:40 |
| khertan | partition { | 15:40 |
| khertan | size = -1; | 15:40 |
| khertan | fs_type = "vfat"; | 15:40 |
| khertan | prefix = "mmc2"; | 15:40 |
| khertan | partition { | 15:40 |
| khertan | size = 4096; | 15:40 |
| khertan | options = "preserve"; | 15:40 |
| khertan | } | 15:40 |
| khertan | partition { | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: SHAME ON NOKIA | 15:41 |
| khertan | size = 2048; | 15:41 |
| khertan | fs_type = "ext4"; | 15:41 |
| khertan | prefix = "home"; | 15:41 |
| khertan | oups | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, you're a bit late to the party, and use pastebin :p | 15:41 |
| mece | lol | 15:41 |
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| MohammadAG | cat the other layout file, it has a 4GB / | 15:41 |
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| khertan | MohammadAG, the pastebin script failed | 15:41 |
| khertan | and post direct content | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how certain devs already have an N9 (not an N950) | 15:42 |
| khertan | Nokia.FaceTracking.... hum | 15:42 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, probably only commercial dev | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, camera thing | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Which certain devs? | 15:43 |
| khertan | yep | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there are PV runs | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: AFAICT, it's only Nokians so far. | 15:43 |
| openstandards | i wonder if they will use the wifi chipset as the n900 | 15:43 |
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| MohammadAG | @janole | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | Gravity developer | 15:43 |
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| ShadowJK | openstandards, probably not as it supports 802.11n? | 15:43 |
| Hurrian | openstandards, wl1271 | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 15:44 |
| khertan | Qt 4.7.4 ... interesting | 15:44 |
| khertan | at least qml is patched :) | 15:44 |
| Hurrian | didn't we get qt4.7.4 in maemo CSSU until MAG pulled the update? | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: can't you get a bootlog for us? | 15:44 |
| vi__ | Jaffa: +1 | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | 4.7.2, I'll push 4.7.4 when and if we fix raster | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Me? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you | 15:45 |
| Jaffa | I have no device :-( | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suppose you know those who do | 15:45 |
| * Jaffa had an N900 before the launch, but no N9 or N950 | 15:45 | |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: So do you - frals & achipa are around :-) | 15:45 |
| khertan | Jaffa, you was a council member at this time, isn't it ? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I didn't even know they had one | 15:46 |
| Hurrian | MAG, hit a dead end? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: ping | 15:46 |
| Hurrian | wrt Maemo 6 | 15:46 |
| achipa | prong | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: how's about a bootlog pastebin? | 15:46 |
| kerio | wait, the n950 looks sweet | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: preferrably of both N950 and N9 | 15:47 |
| khertan | kerio, more than th n9 ... | 15:47 |
| kerio | yeah | 15:47 |
| khertan | :) | 15:47 |
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| kerio | will i be able to buy it? | 15:47 |
| Jaffa | khertan: I was a Council member at the time :-) | 15:47 |
| vi__ | kerio: NO | 15:47 |
| kerio | :( | 15:47 |
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| RST38h | kerio: Yes, but onlyin exchange to your firstborn | 15:47 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: can't for the N9, will do for the N950 once the first one ships, sry, rules are rules :( | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | fair enough | 15:48 |
| * Jaffa gets an email direct from nokia.com. Unfortunately it's only an early-bird invite to Nokia World 2011 (300 eur discount, so I can get in for "only" 695 euros! *cough*) | 15:48 | |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: wouldn't expect anything different | 15:48 |
| khertan | Jaffa, lol | 15:48 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: minor differences due to BT/NFC | 15:48 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: image linkie? | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I see | 15:48 |
| khertan | achipa, and battery | 15:49 |
| khertan | and screen | 15:49 |
| khertan | :) | 15:49 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: At least you have not got an invite to the Microsoft app store like me! | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: thanks | 15:49 |
| Jaffa | khertan: I'd hoped it was a "your black, 1GB, N950 with added NFC goodness is on its way" ;-) | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | <Hurrian> @mag: http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html | 15:49 |
| achipa | khertan: I would assume it's still pretty much the same power control stuff, regardless of different physical battery (due to different casing, obviously) | 15:49 |
| javispedro | RST38h: Microsoft invites everyone =) | 15:49 |
| khertan | Jaffa, héhé ... indeed the n950 black look awesome compared to this cutted n9 | 15:49 |
| khertan | achipa, oh different battery could be different control ... | 15:50 |
| RST38h | javispedro: no, just Nokia dev programs members | 15:50 |
| Hurrian | MAG, hit a brick wall wrt extracting the images? | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | khertan: The black N950 looks awesome compared with the silver one | 15:50 |
| achipa | khertan: could, yes, but I don't think they are | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | Hurrian, nah, just lost interest :p | 15:50 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I got several invitations to their event in MWC | 15:50 |
| Hurrian | ah, kden | 15:50 |
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| khertan | achipa, don't know ... didn't have device :) | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | Although, bigger battery & NFC are tempting on the N9 | 15:50 |
| Hurrian | i'll look into it tomorrow | 15:50 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I bet no one comes to their events =) | 15:50 |
| khertan | Jaffa, no keyboard | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | more interested in N950 applications being processed :p | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | khertan: Indeed | 15:50 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Aye | 15:50 |
| achipa | Jaffa: that one is one sexy pieve | 15:51 |
| khertan | Jaffa, keyboard the big stopper | 15:51 |
| * Jaffa has stuff ready (not much, but stuff) | 15:51 | |
| RST38h | javispedro: Some poeple do, do not underestimate the power of money =) | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | achipa: "pieve"? | 15:51 |
| openstandards | nfc? | 15:51 |
| achipa | piece | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | openstandards: Near Field Communication | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: bigger batery? | 15:51 |
| khertan | Jaffa, if i can't get an n950 i ll not bought a n9 | 15:51 |
| achipa | Jaffa: n950 battery is replaceable-ish | 15:51 |
| javispedro | btw, the sbox harmattan sdk is here: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com | 15:51 |
| RST38h | javispedro: haven't you seen all those .net developers complaining about MS cutting .net from wp8? | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Ah, the black N950s? | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, screwdriver needed, not included eh? :P | 15:51 |
| achipa | I rather have 2x 1350mAh than 1x1450 | 15:51 |
| khertan | javispedro, if you successfull install it | 15:51 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: you unscrew when you get it and throw away the screws | 15:51 |
| khertan | javispedro, no download resume | 15:52 |
| achipa | in about 3 days, you'll figure out how to open it | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | achipa, lol | 15:52 |
| javispedro | RST38h: told ya they were serious with that html5 thing in windows8 | 15:52 |
| kerio | unscrew? | 15:52 |
| achipa | two weeks later, you'll be able to swat a battery in total darkness, a la gun-training in the marines :) | 15:52 |
| javispedro | khertan: pfft, I'm a sbox1 guru -- when people disabled vdsos, I fixed glibc. | 15:52 |
| kerio | don't you mean hammer | 15:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: only for the desktop though | 15:52 |
| achipa | s/swat/swap/ | 15:52 |
| infobot | achipa meant: two weeks later, you'll be able to swap a battery in total darkness, a la gun-training in the marines :) | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | anyone interested in coding a gecko based browser for the N9? I hate webkit :p | 15:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: wait until they axe win32 completely and hear the poor suckers howl | 15:52 |
| khertan | javispedro, yeah but before fixing things you need to get it :) | 15:52 |
| ruskie | webkit <3 | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: Fennec should work, kind of :) | 15:53 |
| RST38h | Just wait for Opera =) | 15:53 |
| achipa | kerio: N950 is not an unibody and has screws (phew) | 15:53 |
| Hurrian | night guys, gonna read the logs in the morning :) | 15:53 |
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| * vi__ is horny to pilfer ovi-maps binary for n900 | 15:54 | |
| javispedro | khertan: not that slow, getting 600KiB/sec out of it | 15:54 |
| kerio | achipa: only noobs use screwdrivers | 15:54 |
| khertan | lucky you are | 15:54 |
| khertan | 20ko/s | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what's the word from those who should know, about USB hostmode on that thing? | 15:54 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: nope | 15:54 |
| javispedro | RST38h: opera is already there, they already made a meego package | 15:54 |
| achipa | kerio: still don't have philips-headed teeth just yet | 15:55 |
| kerio | achipa: real men use a hammer | 15:55 |
| javispedro | RST38h: those opera guys do put work on their staments of support. | 15:55 |
| achipa | kerio: yes. only if they don't want to use the device afterwards :) | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | stupid python script | 15:55 |
| mece | MohammadAG, isn't Firefox open source? | 15:55 |
| kerio | actually, real men use a blender | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | IOW: is N9(50) more like N810 or more like N900 regarding USB? | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG | mece, the UI sucks on a mobile device | 15:56 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, but firefox for n900 I mean | 15:56 |
| kerio | fennec's not *that* bad | 15:56 |
| mece | MohammadAG, right, fennec | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | microB performs better imo | 15:56 |
| kerio | microB performs better | 15:56 |
| ShadowJK | the fennec UI isn't that bad, but its memory use makes me doubt it'll run well even on 1G :P | 15:56 |
| mece | MohammadAG, yes, but that one is not open source | 15:56 |
| achipa | this webkit thingy is way zippier, though there is a tradeoff | 15:57 |
| kerio | webkit > gecko | 15:57 |
| achipa | and of course if the memory helps in any single place, it's the browser | 15:57 |
| mece | achipa, you have the device right? | 15:57 |
| kerio | true story | 15:57 |
| mece | kerio, we need both though | 15:57 |
| achipa | mece: hipothethically, I might :) | 15:57 |
| kerio | achipa: is the n950 made of dreams? | 15:57 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Opera people are indeed wonderful | 15:57 |
| mece | kerio, no it's rainbows and transsexual midgets | 15:57 |
| khertan | Something i didn't understand is why there isn't any webkit browser based on qt ... | 15:57 |
| khertan | should be easy to do | 15:57 |
| achipa | khertan: like, say arora | 15:58 |
| kerio | even better | 15:58 |
| mece | RST38h, the opera people are proper nerds :D | 15:58 |
| khertan | arora ? | 15:58 |
| openstandards | i hope nokia have sorted out the problem with the mini usb port coming loose | 15:58 |
| javispedro | the n950 is people! | 15:58 |
| kerio | khertan: isn't Konqueror based on qt? | 15:58 |
| kerio | javispedro: transsexual midgets are people too | 15:58 |
| achipa | khertan: http://code.google.com/p/arora/ | 15:58 |
| achipa | it's actually a fairly good thin webkit browser... | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | micro usb | 15:58 |
| mece | that's still webkit | 15:58 |
| ruskie | mece, and what's wrong with that? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | openstandards: micro, but yes, I hope so as well | 15:59 |
| achipa | openstandards: you'll sooner rip out the screen than the USB on this one | 15:59 |
| ruskie | the webkit browsers work well | 15:59 |
| RST38h | mece: iPhone uses it so it must be good! | 15:59 |
| * RST38h hides | 15:59 | |
| kerio | well webkit *is* lighter than gecko | 15:59 |
| ruskie | with a smaller footprint that gecko crap | 15:59 |
| openstandards | sorry ShadowJK, micro usb... | 15:59 |
| khertan | ruskie, gecko isn't crap ! | 15:59 |
| achipa | though knowing you roughnecks, you *will* lose the N9's port cover though :) | 15:59 |
| ruskie | always has been and still is | 15:59 |
| mece | I like webkit, I'm not complaining. | 15:59 |
| ruskie | maybe the future will change that | 16:00 |
| openstandards | rekonq is a nice browser | 16:00 |
| khertan | achipa, didn't support kinetic scrolling :) | 16:00 |
| * ShadowJK wonders what charging chip is in N9, and whether the phantom resistance between charger chip and VBatt that's present on N900 has been fixed | 16:00 | |
| MohammadAG | no one mentioned if the N9 had flash 10 | 16:00 |
| * MohammadAG hides | 16:00 | |
| mece | I've managed to loose the tiny metal bit that together with the tiny magnet holds the n900 stand closed... | 16:00 |
| khertan | achipa, i should try to do one ... should be something that can be targeted by qml | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:NOK - Ok - prediction is 6.3 in an hour. | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: it does not | 16:00 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, troll face | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: good aftermarket | 16:00 |
| achipa | MohammadAG: no flash in current builds | 16:00 |
| javispedro | oh, increasing! | 16:00 |
| khertan | s/by/with | 16:00 |
| mece | MohammadAG, well about 1000 people have complained about that. | 16:00 |
| achipa | And for once, I don't mind | 16:01 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, it doesn't matter, even if it has, a week after you get an N9, your favourite site starts requiring flash 11, and Nokia will never ever update it. <g> | 16:01 |
| mece | I'm a little bummed because I wanted to steal it for MeeGo CE... | 16:01 |
| RST38h | achipa: btw, does it support file browsing via bt? | 16:01 |
| mece | Flash that is | 16:01 |
| javispedro | LOLOL | 16:01 |
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| achipa | RST38h: no idea, didn't try | 16:01 |
| javispedro | "Nokia (NYSE: NOK) will launch its new N9 Microsoft (NASDAQ: MSFT) Windows-powered smartphone later this year" | 16:01 |
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| mece | ShadowJK, eyup | 16:01 |
| khertan | javispedro, lol | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, lmao | 16:01 |
| RST38h | javispedro: source? | 16:01 |
| mece | javispedro, wherE? | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, vodka :p | 16:02 |
| javispedro | RST38h: random wallst analyst blog: http://247wallst.com/2011/06/21/nokia-launches-windows-phone-into-smartphone-storms-with-aid-from-microsoft/ | 16:02 |
| RST38h | eeek | 16:02 |
| mece | quick, everyone, flood comments! | 16:02 |
| kerio | haha | 16:02 |
| javispedro | quoted by google finance though | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | haha | 16:02 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: jinx | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen Venemo | 16:02 |
| infobot | venemo <~Timur@fedora/Venemo> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 5d 15h 25m 41s ago, saying: 'user0, yeah, I did need to get my device to R&D mode when I used the rescue initrd'. | 16:02 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, so you predict a 4 cent increase from opening? :p | 16:02 |
| mece | LOOOL how embarassing. | 16:02 |
| khertan | lol ... analyst | 16:02 |
| mece | damn no comments on that one. | 16:02 |
| the_lord | Hi! does anyone here knows if N9 will have a rootable meego as in the N900? or we will have to hack it for that? | 16:03 |
| mece | I like the picture too.. | 16:03 |
| khertan | mece, no comment | 16:03 |
| khertan | haha | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | Harmattan SDK failing to install | 16:03 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: where? | 16:03 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, failed to start qemu | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | What about this then: http://9to5mac.com/2011/06/20/nokia-released-doomed-meego-based-n9-heavily-based-on-apple/ | 16:03 |
| Jaffa | URL says it all | 16:03 |
| khertan | in qtcreator | 16:03 |
| khertan | ;( | 16:03 |
| mece | the_lord, From what I've heard, yes. | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | no, failed to install scratchbox packages | 16:03 |
| the_lord | mece: yes what? | 16:03 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, oh ... failed to download them | 16:03 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: "Apple Intelligence" is the subtitle. An oxymoron! | 16:03 |
| the_lord | mece: yes, we will have to hack it? | 16:03 |
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| RST38h | Jaffa: Title seems to indicate that they have simply copied Gizmodo article | 16:04 |
| khertan | hum ... no alarmd backend | 16:04 |
| mece | the_lord, it's as difficult as it was on the N900 is what I hear (means it's easy and doesn't need to be "hacked") | 16:04 |
| the_lord | mece: nice! I'll be getting my hands on it then | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | "Three new touch screen models based on S40 were announced, all called C2, two of which support dual-SIMs." <- srsly, stop doing that | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: Opening is 5.85 isn't it? | 16:05 |
| kerio | no seriously can i buy a n950? | 16:05 |
| kerio | or is it reserved for devs? | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | kerio, I want to buy one too :( | 16:05 |
| ShadowJK | and they said no :( | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: devs | 16:05 |
| kerio | why? | 16:05 |
| kerio | this is bullshit | 16:05 |
| kerio | nobody wants to develop for meego handset anyway | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: it specifically says - 'Anyone can buy it except Kerio'. | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | kerio: Eh? | 16:06 |
| openstandards | i wonder if i can get a mate to get me one :) | 16:06 |
| Jaffa | kerio: You seem to be frothing at the mouth | 16:06 |
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| mece | kerio, arent you a developer? | 16:06 |
| openstandards | hes actually working for nokia, part of the old symbian team | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: you're aware Nokia published the SDK for N9 today, are you? | 16:06 |
| mece | shit. I've got to go. Good thing I came to work today... | 16:06 |
| ruskie | http://i.imgur.com/XZ6NK.jpg | 16:07 |
| kerio | mece: i'm a math student! | 16:07 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile at a standards commitee: http://www.softwarequalityconnection.com/2011/06/the-biggest-changes-in-c11-and-why-you-should-care/ | 16:07 |
| khertan | oh there 4.5G icon in the theme | 16:07 |
| mece | kerio, doesn't mean you can't develop. | 16:07 |
| khertan | huhu | 16:07 |
| RST38h | mece: no, he is just a troll | 16:07 |
| mece | haha | 16:07 |
| mece | ok | 16:07 |
| Choom | I need to try that SDK out when I get back home | 16:07 |
| mece | well. anyway I go no work done today. Damn you nokia! | 16:07 |
| mece | bye everyone | 16:07 |
| Choom | heading off to work as well | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Wave mece. | 16:07 |
| mece | o/ | 16:08 |
| javispedro | yes, do not download the sdk as of now. leave all the bandwidth to me! | 16:08 |
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| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: yes, but I'm not aware in how is that related with my question | 16:08 |
| kerio | RST38h: i doubt nokia will give me a n950, even if i start coding like crazy | 16:08 |
| kerio | which makes me a sad panda | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: I'm not sure what is the meaning in "rooting meego" | 16:08 |
| khertan | hum ... a youtube icon | 16:08 |
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| ruskie | khertan, yes it has a ton of sharing | 16:08 |
| khertan | vodaphone, skype | 16:08 |
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| khertan | gtalk | 16:09 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: Nokia could launch a Meego sandbox with the N9, as in android | 16:09 |
| khertan | firefox icon | 16:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errrr :-x | 16:09 |
| javispedro | lol | 16:09 |
| javispedro | googling this aegisfs thing | 16:09 |
| javispedro | lists some pastebins with output of df -h and the like :) | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | khertan: But WebKit based browser | 16:10 |
| khertan | the icon name is firefox | 16:10 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Presumably used for securing directories using Aegis from the rest of the system? | 16:10 |
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| javispedro | Jaffa: you know anything about it? I understand it is a pre's cryptofs clone? | 16:10 |
| khertan | shazam icon | 16:10 |
| Aranel | any specs on n950? same as n9? | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Aranel: no bluetooth, different case | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: OMG, so it's another NIH/"proprietary" Nokia crap? | 16:11 |
| khertan | an icon for need for speed shift | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Aranel: no NFC, rather | 16:11 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: nah, this is security fw thing. the pre one was propietary also. | 16:11 |
| khertan | an gtracing icon | 16:11 |
| the_lord | Aranel: different case, keyboard, display different, bigger, no carl zeiss, no warranty | 16:11 |
| openstandards | n9 has bt 4.0 and nfc...larger battery too | 16:11 |
| khertan | but no keyboard | 16:11 |
| openstandards | yea :( | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | 4.0? :P | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Aranel: http://pastebin.com/0SWqx8JL | 16:12 |
| khertan | and rg11 gold | 16:12 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: from looking at the df -h pastebins IMs are stored on aegisfs, so it is probably "user" security | 16:12 |
| khertan | ... | 16:12 |
| the_lord | the only thing n950 has better is hardware keyboard | 16:12 |
| khertan | s/gold/golf | 16:12 |
| RST38h | kerio: If you are also rich panda, you can buy an N9! | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | 12MP cam in N950 adaik | 16:12 |
| khertan | so it ll be delivered with some game | 16:12 |
| Aranel | :< so they actually wanted to scare away end-users from n950 lol | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | afaik even | 16:12 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, 8Mp | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: eh? | 16:12 |
| kerio | RST38h: i want a physical keyboard dammit | 16:12 |
| RST38h | kerio: You can buy a keyboard separately! | 16:13 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan, sure? I remember the 1st revision had a 12MP cam | 16:13 |
| kerio | ...not the point here | 16:13 |
| kerio | i do have a stowaway keyboard | 16:13 |
| kerio | which is totally bawss | 16:13 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, the flasher release note say 8Mp for both | 16:13 |
| ShadowJK | I don't have 3 hands to use an external keyboard | 16:13 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: soon you will! join the cult! | 16:14 |
| javispedro | you will also lose your fingernails if you do | 16:14 |
| javispedro | but believe me it is worth it. multitouchzzz!!! | 16:14 |
| khertan | RST38h, http://t.co/Fz6TT9z <<< and this | 16:14 |
| openstandards | nice html5 support out of the box | 16:14 |
| ShadowJK | so multitouch means the thing will never know where I touched | 16:14 |
| Aranel | "N950 supports Bluetooth version 2.1+EDR, whereas N9 supports version 4.0" | 16:14 |
| javispedro | it will know where steve jobs is touching now, which is all that matters. | 16:14 |
| Aranel | huh o.O | 16:15 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, javispedro, Jaffa, anyone I left off, RE: Ageis - http://www.slideshare.net/peterschneider/maemo-6-platform-security | 16:15 |
| khertan | javispedro, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013AX62K/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=1278548962&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0761121102&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0SW16P1WPB4JYJPSJ0K3 + http://www.amazon.com/Rii-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad-RT-MWK01/dp/B003UE52ME | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: \o/ | 16:15 |
| khertan | ^the perfect n9 | 16:15 |
| khertan | :) | 16:15 |
| vi__ | kerio: kerio==scotland? | 16:15 |
| * SpeedEvil == scotland. | 16:15 | |
| kerio | ¿qué? | 16:16 |
| openstandards | i wonder if we'lll see what iOS does when it detects email fields in a webpage | 16:16 |
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| javispedro | kerio: spaniards usually use "¿cómo?" (that is, "how come?" instead of "what?") | 16:16 |
| Jaffa | openstandards: The N900 supported <a href="tel:..." />, FWIW | 16:16 |
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| vi__ | SpeedEvil: SpeedEvil==edinburgh? | 16:17 |
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| ShadowJK | Jaffa, he said EMAIL fields. I wonder if IOS automatically fills in your own email address in every webform it finds on the internets to make receiving spam easier and simpler. | 16:17 |
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| kerio | that's a weird equality relationship | 16:17 |
| javispedro | khertan: abuse of scotch tape is not approved by steve jobs. you are banished from the apple cult! | 16:17 |
| openstandards | Jaffa: it does? never noticed it as i use keyboard :) | 16:17 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: are you that man I saw in his underpants with soup in his beard texting on a n900 on prioncess street? | 16:18 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: nokia could launch the N9 with a sandbox so you can't install openoffice if it's not in ovi store, for example | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | FACK!!! I knew it: security framework, aegis, bullsh*t. Now we got it: TWO DEVICEMODES | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | vi__: No, I've not been on Princes street recently. | 16:18 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, get ready for it | 16:18 |
| Termana | DRM talk GO! | 16:18 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that was known though. | 16:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | vi__: No, Fife. | 16:18 |
| vi__ | SpeedEvil: ouch | 16:18 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: then you would have to root it | 16:18 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: however, aegisfs seems to be a fuse filesystem, like the pre. it can be broken. | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: we all know about that | 16:19 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: that was my question, will Nokia do that? | 16:19 |
| Termana | the_lord, you do not need to "root" it as you put it. | 16:19 |
| Termana | Your mixing up terms and using things incorrectly | 16:19 |
| Termana | You just put it in open mode | 16:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: no, they do sth way more evil, they implement security framework | 16:20 |
| the_lord | Termana: so, "open mode" is the right term? | 16:20 |
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| * vi__ vi__ has flashbacks to symbian signed | 16:20 | |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: I know what he said, I'm saying that *similar* sort of thing (Mobile Safari also auto-identifies phone numbers) can be done on Maemo 5 | 16:20 |
| vi__ | OHH GOOOD! | 16:20 |
| Termana | the_lord, as long as we assume they have implemented it how they have described | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | In open mode, no more games, comercial apps, Ovi store, comes-with-music (... dialer, messaging, you name it) | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | in protected mode, no own kernel, no own apps... | 16:21 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: sonsofbitches | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Is this assumption - or documented somewhere? | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess I don't want tou touch that devel device | 16:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://www.slideshare.net/peterschneider/maemo-6-platform-security | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 16:22 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: why? dev device probably has no closed mode at all | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | they learned their lessons how to kill FOSS | 16:23 |
| javispedro | it would be a waste of resources. | 16:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I CAN NOT support this sort of BULLSHIT | 16:23 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: but it comes with music. | 16:24 |
| Aranel | any information on when & price for N9 yet? | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. | 16:24 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: we knew it | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle - given best case - it could be OK. | 16:24 |
| javispedro | me, I'm waiting to see what is lost in open mode. | 16:24 |
| Termana | Aranel, Q3/Q4 2011, no price yet AFAIK | 16:24 |
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| Aranel | Termana: thank you ^^ | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | If - for example - we can push patches to the kernel and get them accepted. | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it's NOT | 16:24 |
| SpeedEvil | And there is some free and relatively easy way to get apps signed. | 16:24 |
| javispedro | if more than 1% of the applications and/or maps are lost, deal-killer. sorry. | 16:24 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: if you have root access, you can remove security framework :P | 16:24 |
| javispedro | if 100% of the music store contents are lost, I don't care. | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: BAS | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS even | 16:25 |
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| openstandards | DocScrutinizer: won't be able to root it at all? | 16:25 |
| vi__ | geeze! rootit doesn't mean anything! | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | you can only switch to open mode afaik | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | it's a one way trip, if you do it you can't go back | 16:26 |
| vi__ | it is just a dumb word like 'tether' or 'apps' | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | I could be wrong, but I've heard that once | 16:26 |
| lardman | hey chaps | 16:27 |
| lardman | is there any specific website with info about the N9 & N950? | 16:27 |
| vi__ | lardman: no you cannot buy an n950 | 16:27 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, at maemo summit 2009 they talk of easy switch | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got TWO device modes, an *open* one where you can do what you want - except run any app that requires *protected* mode, which probably will be the complete set of core apps | 16:27 |
| khertan | just require reboot | 16:27 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, if it is the same security framework (which, mind you, no one has actually knows that it definitely is), it can be switched back and forth | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | err, maemo summit? | 16:27 |
| lardman | I don't have an internet connection at home atm, so was going to scrape some pages and read them later on (house moving) | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | that's kinda irrelevant now, MeeGo didn't exist back then | 16:27 |
| openstandards | vi__: when i mean root it i mean no root access... | 16:27 |
| lardman | vi__: how does one apply for one? | 16:27 |
| vi__ | lardman: you cannot | 16:28 |
| openstandards | good god | 16:28 |
| vi__ | lardman: you have missed the boat | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | yes he can. | 16:28 |
| khertan | MohammadAG, yeah ... but it s not true MeeGo ... it s Maemo on top of MeeGo | 16:28 |
| khertan | :) | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | http://meego.com/node/add/device-application/581 lardman | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: indeed you can't switch back to protected unless you reboot | 16:28 |
| the_lord | I don't understand why it can't be like ni the N900, both "modes" at the same time living happily ever after | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, oh good (in a way), I thought you can't go back to protected mode | 16:28 |
| khertan | the_lord, there isn't any security framework :) | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | khertan, take out MeeGo and maemo fails then | 16:28 |
| khertan | take out maemo and MeeGo failed on Handset too | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: as soon as openmode got enabled, the complete hw is "tainted" | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you need reboot to reset to clean state | 16:29 |
| lardman | thanks MohammadAG | 16:29 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer, tainted ? so you can change hardware case color ? | 16:29 |
| khertan | :) | 16:29 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, that's a very hazy way to say it that has a potential for confusion. | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | khertan: tainted, not painted | 16:30 |
| the_lord | khertan: that's where I come in and say, in two months after they start selling, there will be a hack to get both modes working (that's what android'ers call rooting, and ios'ers call jailbreak) | 16:31 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer, read to fast :) | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: you bet there won't | 16:31 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: why? | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | the_lord: security framework has been evaluated and improved for many years now | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it's based on a cryptokex in hw bootloader and an umbreakable chain of trust from boot til app | 16:32 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer: I'll die trying then :) | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're welcome | 16:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't think of anything I'd love more to hear than "security framework got hacked" | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | 'security framework was removed due to a policy decision by Elop, who announced today that all new nokia phones are to be meego, while naked, bodypainted into the likeness of a penguin.' | 16:35 |
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| khertan | SpeedEvil, source ? | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even that, as it wouldn't help for future cases when anybody else thinks DRM and "security" are a good idea | 16:36 |
| SpeedEvil | khertan: Some russian blogger. | 16:37 |
| khertan | SpeedEvil, i doubt... i think he ll more lock up the thing to say win phone is more open | 16:37 |
| trx | [15:28] <MohammadAG> http://meego.com/node/add/device-application/581 <- is that n950 ? | 16:37 |
| Termana | trx - yes | 16:37 |
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| trx | can anyone who wants to develop for meego apply? | 16:37 |
| rlinfati | harmattan-meego-arm-sysroot-1122-slim harmattan-nokia-meego-arm-sysroot-1122-slim :S what is the diference ? | 16:38 |
| khertan | trx, http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/326932798.jpg << should be the device | 16:38 |
| Termana | trx - I assume so yes. | 16:38 |
| trx | thats nice thanks | 16:38 |
| rlinfati | 628M vs 383M | 16:38 |
| openstandards | i can't believe they assigned an ex-microsoft guy to a company which has been interested in producing linux devices for a number of years... | 16:38 |
| khertan | one is meego ... second is meego + preinstalled soft like need for speed shift | 16:39 |
| khertan | and thing like that ... | 16:39 |
| khertan | but it s supposition | 16:39 |
| khertan | s | 16:39 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: so what happens then? You hit save and then it's gone? | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: aegis manifest file... PFFFF there it is | 16:42 |
| Termana | lardman, no. You hit save and there it is in your face if you need to edit it | 16:42 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: where are you reading this stuff? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: http://www.slideshare.net/peterschneider/maemo-6-platform-security | 16:43 |
| lardman | Termana: ah, and for everyone else to read too? | 16:43 |
| Termana | lardman, no | 16:43 |
| Termana | Just you and whoever is making the decision on who they go out to, I suppose | 16:43 |
| lardman | ok cool | 16:43 |
| MohammadAG | https://meego.com/users/lardman/track | 16:44 |
| Termana | Plus anyone who has access to the database but anyway :p | 16:44 |
| lardman | and that was an N9 dev kit applicatioon, which we presume will provide an N950 in the meantime? | 16:44 |
| Termana | lardman, no, you just get a N950, not N9 | 16:44 |
| Termana | no* | 16:44 |
| Jaffa | lardman: N950 *is* the "N9 dev kit" | 16:44 |
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| lardman | ok that's fine, just wanted to work out what's going on :) | 16:45 |
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| trx | i dont like n9 | 16:45 |
| lardman | a week without a phone and internet is a long long time | 16:45 |
| trx | i would preffer n950 | 16:45 |
| vi__ | was it like this as the n900 was released? | 16:45 |
| nid0 | doesnt it seem slightly peculiar to provide a dev kit that's missing one of the new (nearly)unique features of the n9 though, being the nfc capability? | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | I like the way the editor for the application gives you an HTML box, but then it renders without | 16:45 |
| Jaffa | nid0: Got to do something with the wonky hardware rather than scrap it | 16:45 |
| Termana | And you have to sign a waiver so if you cut yourself on the hinge Nokia is not liable | 16:45 |
| Termana | just kidding ;) | 16:46 |
| * lardman must scrape some info about the devices then head back to his internet-less house to continue unpacking | 16:46 | |
| vi__ | nid0: it is not a real dev kit, just a scam to punt redundant hardware with no warrenty or support. | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | nid0: But yes, no NFC is a big shame | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Well - yes, and no. | 16:46 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yeah, doens't like line breaks either | 16:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: There are few devices to play with it with | 16:46 |
| nid0 | bringing it up to par with the released n9 and giving people a hwkb option would seem like an ideal solution :< | 16:46 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: We should all get two N9s ;-) | 16:46 |
| javispedro | there are not even enough n950s for all people on this channel ;) | 16:47 |
| javispedro | hey | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | SpeedEvil: But did you see the ideas around using NFC tag stickers around your house to automate actions on ##nokiacnxn | 16:47 |
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| nid0 | iv been looking forward to going back to a phone with a decent kb ever since I got my n900 :< | 16:47 |
| Jaffa | lardman: You only have a week to apply | 16:47 |
| vi__ | I think the correct number of n9's is 0 | 16:47 |
| javispedro | remind me to do that "if you haven't got your free n9 yet join #channelwithpr0nlinkontopic now" again | 16:47 |
| Aranel | javispedro: maybe they should start from the alphabet (a to z), im just saying.. | 16:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: I pinged out just before I woke up - relogged - and found that I'd forgotten to set the channel to logging | 16:47 |
| javispedro | last time it was a success =) | 16:48 |
| khertan | javispedro, :) | 16:49 |
| vi__ | wait, android doesnt have a security platform | 16:49 |
| nid0 | it's rather worrying that the n9 availability checker doesnt even have the uk listed :< | 16:49 |
| javispedro | vi__: android has a securijoke platform, like everyone else on the market | 16:49 |
| lardman | Jaffa: yep, have just put my application in | 16:49 |
| khertan | nid0, and the n950 look like to have a really good keyboard | 16:49 |
| openstandards | i gueess alot of us will end up buying a bluetooth keyboard.. | 16:50 |
| nid0 | khertan: yes, i've used the e7 keyboard and its streaks ahead of the n900 pos, and looks like the n950 keyb is very similar | 16:50 |
| vi__ | s/bluetooth/blow-tooth | 16:50 |
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| khertan | even is smaller n900 keyboard is pretty good | 16:50 |
| khertan | better than n810 one | 16:51 |
| khertan | s/is/if | 16:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | N9 | 16:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | omap 3630 | 16:51 |
| lardman | is there an official page on either of the N9/N950 anywhere? | 16:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | stopped readint right there | 16:51 |
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| nid0 | lardman: theres lots of n9 pages up | 16:51 |
| nid0 | lardman: http://swipe.nokia.com primarily | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/ | 16:52 |
| lardman | thanks, will scrape that then | 16:52 |
| lardman | those even :) | 16:52 |
| bindi | N9-00 | 16:52 |
| bindi | lol | 16:52 |
| lardman | ~lart Beckington for only having 2G | 16:52 |
| * infobot explains, ever so gently, that if Beckington doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help for only having 2G | 16:52 | |
| nid0 | nokia conversations has a proper spec list at http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/21/video-diving-into-the-nokia-n9-ui-and-specs/ | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bindi: there's supposedly also a N9-01 | 16:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Also - 'nfc' varies - from being able to read 'barcode' chips - to a more advanced ability to read active tags. | 16:53 |
| bindi | aww a singlecore | 16:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | im actually fine with a single core cpu since it has 1GB of ram | 16:53 |
| nid0 | people really get far too hung up on cpu specs | 16:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i hope it's physical rm | 16:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *ram | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | bindi: it's honestly beyond me what for you'd need multicore on an embedded device | 16:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and not 512 physical and 512 swap | 16:54 |
| Sazpaimon_ | knowing nokia they might advertise it as that | 16:54 |
| khertan | Sazpaimon_, peter seems to let hint it s 1Go physical | 16:54 |
| vi__ | DocScrutinizer: ffmpeg | 16:54 |
| openstandards | http://www.nicecans.co.uk/flexible-folding-bluetooth-keyboard-for-ios4-iphone-ipad-andriod-p-1692.html that looks kinda handy | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | vi__: or seti@home | 16:54 |
| nid0 | celluon recently released an updated version of their laser keyboard | 16:54 |
| nid0 | that's the one to have, tbh | 16:54 |
| khertan | openstandards, and with this modder accessory ... http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013AX62K/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=1278548962&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0761121102&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0SW16P1WPB4JYJPSJ0K3 | 16:55 |
| khertan | it ll look like an n950 | 16:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | has anyone looked at the N950 firmware image yet | 16:55 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh wait, nokia has a repository now | 16:55 |
| nid0 | http://www.celluon.com/products/laserkey1_3.htm?sm=2_1 thats the keyboard to have tbh | 16:56 |
| javispedro | tada!!!!!! | 16:56 |
| javispedro | god x86 sbox installed and running | 16:56 |
| javispedro | hello nokia home | 16:56 |
| * lardman has to go to pick up the wife, bbiab | 16:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: MohammadAG dissected it | 16:56 |
| khertan | 44% of the sdk install | 16:56 |
| * javispedro needs to remembers to set xephyr to the proper resolution | 16:56 | |
| * SpeedEvil imagines lardman in a wife-carrying contest. | 16:56 | |
| khertan | whaou... i ll got it tommorow | 16:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, is it a simple FIASCO image> | 16:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | with a flasher binary embedded in it | 16:57 |
| javispedro | three profiles: silent beep and ringing ;) | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically yes, though with integrated flasher AIUI | 16:57 |
| openstandards | khertan: exactly but with a huge ass keyboard | 16:57 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also what kernel is harmattan using | 16:57 |
| nid0 | 2.6.32 apparently | 16:57 |
| javispedro | fscking god | 16:57 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so backportin to N900 might not be possible | 16:57 |
| openstandards | btrfs support? | 16:57 |
| javispedro | launcher is landscape/portrait | 16:57 |
| javispedro | but settings app is portrait only! | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: more interesting: may I finally define own profiles??? | 16:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | considering 1. harmattan uses hardfp | 16:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | 2. binary blobs | 16:58 |
| khertan | Sazpaimon_, 2.6.32 | 16:58 |
| khertan | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/k/kernel/ | 16:58 |
| Sazpaimon_ | :/ | 16:58 |
| nid0 | one wierd limitation I did notice with display modes is the image gallery appears to only do 2 angles | 16:58 |
| * openstandards hopes this support groups out of the box.... | 16:58 | |
| nid0 | it wont flip to "upside down" either landscape or portrait | 16:58 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | are they shipping out N950s yet? | 16:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I signed up a developer account through my media streaming company | 16:59 |
| javispedro | remind me the n9 resolution? | 17:00 |
| nid0 | is it me or is tmo going to explode over an apparent lack of flash? | 17:00 |
| Sazpaimon_ | hm, can N900 operate with a hardfp libc? | 17:00 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_: yes, see meego CE | 17:00 |
| Sazpaimon_ | okay so it possibly CAN be backported to N900 | 17:00 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_: even got hf sgx libs | 17:00 |
| Sazpaimon_ | using meego CE's modules | 17:00 |
| javispedro | forget | 17:00 |
| javispedro | a) license issues | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: not apparent | 17:00 |
| javispedro | b) won't happen, experience says otherwise | 17:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | oh well | 17:01 |
| javispedro | how come xephyr is still stupidly slow on my desktop | 17:01 |
| javispedro | do I need to resque the vmgl stuff? I though xephyr was to be accelered long ago | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | because it *is* stupidly slow? | 17:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | nid0, I dont see why the flash plugin can't be dropped in harmattan | 17:02 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_: what flash plugin | 17:02 |
| javispedro | surprise! | 17:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | any flash plugin from TI | 17:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or does TI not make a flash plugin for the 3630 | 17:02 |
| javispedro | same as the 3430 | 17:02 |
| vi__ | Sazpaimon_: I take it you didn't get the memo? | 17:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | nope | 17:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | enlighten me | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: seems there's no accelerated flash plugin for 3430 | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or 3630 | 17:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | DocScrutinizer, who cares | 17:03 |
| keks-n | BTW, N9 is the last nokia phone with linux, right? | 17:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | having flash support would shut people up | 17:03 |
| nid0 | keks-n: no | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: indeed | 17:03 |
| keks-n | Hm | 17:03 |
| rlinfati | warning: aegisSessionOpen() - failed to open platsec device (ret=-1) ( Qemu EMulator.... ) | 17:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but theoretically people could drop in one of the leaked flash plugins | 17:04 |
| keks-n | I heard rumors that MeeGo division will close this year | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: OMFG | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: SEE?? ^^^^^ | 17:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | keks-n, MeeGo/Maemo devices will continue depending on sales of the N9 | 17:04 |
| keks-n | hm | 17:04 |
| Sazpaimon_ | already nokia has out advertised the N9 compared to the N900 | 17:05 |
| rlinfati | Kernel command line: init=/sbin/preinit root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ....... | 17:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and it hasn't even been fully announced yet | 17:05 |
| keks-n | So we just need to write some cool soft for it | 17:05 |
| rlinfati | mtdparts=omap2-onenand:128k(bootloader),384k@128k(config),3072k@512k(kernel),1024k@3584k(log),519680k@4608k(swap) ..... | 17:05 |
| vldcnst | Any idea on N9 prices? | 17:05 |
| vi__ | keks-n: whats the point? | 17:05 |
| vi__ | keks-n: it is the ultimate burning platform | 17:05 |
| javispedro | some sdk shots: | 17:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | keks-n, i think most fremantle software will work on harmattan through a maemo 5 chroot | 17:05 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/sdk1.png | 17:05 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/sdk2.png | 17:05 |
| keks-n | I mean for both platforms | 17:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | javispedro, awesome | 17:06 |
| rlinfati | SmartReflex class 1.5 driver: initialized :) | 17:06 |
| keks-n | +I think that most fremantle software just need to be recompiled | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: N9 is a portait device ;) | 17:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | keks-n, not if it's in a chroot | 17:06 |
| keks-n | So what? | 17:06 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i *think* | 17:07 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: you bet, but at least launcher rotates ;) | 17:07 |
| khertan | keks-n, not really ... as we didn't know if QWidget got theme | 17:07 |
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| keks-n | chroot isn't the best way to provide sowtware for end-users | 17:07 |
| khertan | keks-n, if this isn't the case, a rewrite using qml will be needed | 17:07 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I'm not 100% sure, but I think a maemo 5 chroot will supply harmattan most of the c libraries that it needs to launch maemo 5 apps | 17:07 |
| rlinfati | HS USB OTG: revision 0x33, sysconfig 0x2017, sysstatus 0x1, intrfsel 0x1, simenable 0x0 :):):) OTG | 17:07 |
| javispedro | draggin from each of the edges launches launcher | 17:07 |
| javispedro | s/each/any | 17:07 |
| javispedro | I guess that makes keeping the same ui on the n900 "hard" | 17:08 |
| javispedro | because edges are hardly usable on n900 | 17:08 |
| vi__ | why are you thinking backwards? | 17:08 |
| keks-n | > apt-cache search gtk | 17:08 |
| keks-n | libsoup2.4-1 - an HTTP library implementation in C -- Shared library | 17:08 |
| keks-n | libglib2.0-dev - Development files for the GLib library | 17:08 |
| keks-n | libglib2.0-0 - The GLib library of C routines | 17:08 |
| khertan | javispedro, can you see if a qt qwidget is themed please ? | 17:08 |
| keks-n | There is no GTK in Harmattan SDK -_- | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Are there any telnettable n950s? | 17:08 |
| khertan | javispedro, i'm still downloading the sdk | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: I imagine that capacitive even reads over the edges of the actual screen. | 17:08 |
| javispedro | khertan: get me a sample to run.. | 17:09 |
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| khertan | hum ... can you compile just one qt example ? | 17:09 |
| rlinfati | input: Atmel mXT Touchscreen | 17:10 |
| javispedro | sadly, composition does not seem to work here under xephyr, but themed maliit looks pretty cool. | 17:10 |
| khertan | if you have pyside in repository i can provide a simple one in python | 17:10 |
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| khertan | javispedro, or this one for example : http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/widgets-calculator.html | 17:11 |
| javispedro | lol: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/sdk6.png | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: we had the same kind of msg in N900 bootlog | 17:13 |
| javispedro | the "financial" consequences part is new =) | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: (USB OTG) | 17:13 |
| javispedro | I have to say that this thing looks little like maemo, and more like, say, wp7 or the iphone. | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh. | 17:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 17:14 |
| Termana | javispedro, which is probably exactly what they want | 17:14 |
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| X-Fade | Well, amoled drives black themes anyway ;) | 17:15 |
| javispedro | not only about the theme, which was black on the n900 either way | 17:15 |
| X-Fade | Not much one can do there. | 17:15 |
| javispedro | but interacts different. | 17:15 |
| javispedro | like if it was done by a different person. or sth like that. | 17:15 |
| rlinfati | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/aegis.ssu-keyring-dadd.list :) | 17:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: X-Fade: [N900]:"It's not a phone, it's a computer" [N9]:"It's not a computer, it's an iPhone-me-too" | 17:18 |
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| rlinfati | /etc/drm/prdrm-server.conf :( | 17:18 |
| keks-n | Which debian is Harmattan based on? | 17:18 |
| keks-n | Still sarge? | 17:18 |
| khertan | meego :) | 17:18 |
| nid0 | its meego 1.2 | 17:18 |
| keks-n | MeeGo is RPM-based | 17:19 |
| khertan | but packaged with debian package | 17:19 |
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| keks-n | -_- | 17:19 |
| khertan | it s just a package format | 17:19 |
| khertan | hopefully they use debian package | 17:19 |
| vi__ | debian sarge phone, come with 2 button mouse | 17:19 |
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| * khertan really hate the rpm package tools | 17:19 | |
| keks-n | there are a lot of stuff related to building it | 17:19 |
| keks-n | not just package format | 17:19 |
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| keks-n | Another format of hooks, etc | 17:20 |
| khertan | keks-n, it s provided as a full image | 17:20 |
| keks-n | I don't believe, that they repackaged the whole system | 17:20 |
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| khertan | it s not like if you install everything from package | 17:20 |
| khertan | keks-n, no i don't think too | 17:20 |
| javispedro | khertan: sadly calculator is crashing for some reason =) | 17:21 |
| khertan | lol | 17:21 |
| javispedro | khertan: but there seems to be a theme | 17:21 |
| khertan | ho oh ! | 17:21 |
| javispedro | khertan: QtMaemo6Style | 17:21 |
| khertan | it s not grey on grey | 17:21 |
| trx | finally some good news! | 17:21 |
| trx | :) | 17:21 |
| khertan | YEAH !!!!! | 17:21 |
| rlinfati | /home/user/.positioningd/private... nokia will spy us ? | 17:21 |
| khertan | THX javispedro for the INFORMATION | 17:21 |
| trx | yeah, tnx javispedro | 17:21 |
| trx | :) | 17:21 |
| * javispedro likes "close all" button on task manager | 17:22 | |
| javispedro | as well as effect =) | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yeah, that is cool. *poof* | 17:22 |
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| javispedro | ok, got calculator to run, screenshot coming after I get rid of the composition glitches.. | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: WTF? | 17:23 |
| keks-n | At least it uses /etc/network/interfaces mechanism | 17:23 |
| keks-n | There is no /etc/network in MeeGo image | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what are you running there? meego in SB? | 17:24 |
| javispedro | trx: khertan: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/sdk-plain-qt-app.png | 17:24 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yep | 17:24 |
| keks-n | Looks like that they just took the GUI code from MeeGo | 17:24 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not meego ;), harmattan | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | magooo | 17:24 |
| keks-n | And most of the core system is still based on Debian | 17:25 |
| keks-n | And I'm interested on which one | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only OS that's been dead before it even started | 17:25 |
| keks-n | Because there are a lot of packages that we need to get from Debian or Maemo | 17:25 |
| javispedro | keks-n: are you a newbie? ;) sarge | 17:26 |
| javispedro | with a few bits from squeeze | 17:26 |
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| keks-n | [18:18:41] <keks-n> Which debian is Harmattan based on? | 17:26 |
| keks-n | [18:18:47] <keks-n> Still sarge? | 17:26 |
| jben | Hi | 17:26 |
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| khertan | keks-n, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta_content_comparison.html | 17:26 |
| javispedro | note that maemo is a fork | 17:26 |
| javispedro | so rebasing is not very easy.. | 17:26 |
| keks-n | I hoped, that they merged code with the latest stable release | 17:26 |
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| jben | is it exist way to query GPS status via dbus ? | 17:27 |
| keks-n | At least we have a modern debhelper and GCC | 17:27 |
| javispedro | khertan: liking the qt theme? | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jben: probably not | 17:28 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: how did you get the emulator to run? | 17:28 |
| javispedro | scratchbox is not an emulator! | 17:28 |
| jben | and other ways are ? | 17:28 |
| hiemanshu | oh, not in scratchbox? | 17:28 |
| javispedro | scratchbox, yes. | 17:28 |
| hiemanshu | I mean, I am trying the qemu one | 17:28 |
| hiemanshu | the one that comes with the SDK | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the one | 17:29 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: there are two sdks now | 17:29 |
| khertan | javispedro, there is better theme ... but at least theme exist ... try to run a qt app in MeeGo De and you will understand what i mean ... unuseable :) | 17:29 |
| javispedro | the application/qt creator one, and the platform/sbox one | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: o.O | 17:29 |
| khertan | DocScrutinizer, the qemu one with qt creator didn't works for me | 17:29 |
| hiemanshu | yeah same here | 17:30 |
| hiemanshu | been at the same screen for a while | 17:30 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: to be expected, qt creator runs on way more platforms, and is more newbie friendly. fortunately, someone kept sbox around :) | 17:30 |
| hiemanshu | with the product version and such | 17:30 |
| pabs3 | javispedro: Ubuntu manages to rebase pretty often, is Maemo more forked than that? | 17:30 |
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| khertan | downloading the rootstrap ... 1Kb / s | 17:31 |
| khertan | :( | 17:31 |
| javispedro | pabs3: ubuntu does not make decisions like convert the distro in a monouser one, move all the installation paths around, etc. etc. | 17:31 |
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| javispedro | they just make stupid ui decisions like use unity ;P | 17:32 |
| javispedro | instead of optification ;) | 17:32 |
| vi__ | javispedro: what is geoengine map widget? | 17:33 |
| pabs3 | hmm, ok. | 17:33 |
| javispedro | vi__: no idea | 17:33 |
| keks-n | >> like use unity | 17:33 |
| keks-n | It's better than GNOME 3 | 17:33 |
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| javispedro | someone asked what "fenix" was. it is the mail app, seemingly. | 17:35 |
| khertan | javispedro, and move close button under the menu :) | 17:35 |
| rlinfati | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../lib ./dgles2test Function glBlendEquationSeparate not found! :( | 17:35 |
| khertan | keks-n, it s a matter of preferences, i prefer gnome shell (aka gnome 3) | 17:36 |
| keks-n | I use a coombination of AWN and cairo dock | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: s/make decisions/make utterly stupid decisions/ | 17:37 |
| keks-n | khertan, http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8008/86356774.png - something like that | 17:38 |
| * javispedro can't find the browser in sdk despite release notes saying it is there.. | 17:39 | |
| hiemanshu | found the qcow image | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: fenix also is the flasher program used to flash BB5 phones. Or was that phoenix | 17:39 |
| khertan | keks-n, yep i didn't like | 17:39 |
| hiemanshu | so finally qemy boots up | 17:39 |
| hiemanshu | qemu* | 17:40 |
| BluesLee | hiemanshu: what are you trying? | 17:40 |
| keks-n | A small screen of my laptop makes me save on the vertical resolution | 17:40 |
| hiemanshu | BluesLee: the new SDK | 17:40 |
| BluesLee | hiemanshu: okay | 17:40 |
| BluesLee | is there a realistic chance to run harmattan (n9 binaries) from sd on n900 using meego dev kernel? | 17:41 |
| keks-n | And because of that I HATE shells that doesn't provide vertical panels that don't look like a crap | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Can you check the quoting standards' compliance of the mail app, please? | 17:41 |
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| keks-n | >>is there a realistic chance to run harmattan (n9 binaries) from sd on n900 using meego dev kernel? | 17:42 |
| keks-n | Just try | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: good question | 17:42 |
| BluesLee | i have the image.bin but how can i extract it? | 17:42 |
| javispedro | trying to put it on portrait | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: I'd bet on maemo kernel though | 17:42 |
| keks-n | Try with qemu first | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe not | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever, I'd just try it under fremantle | 17:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and meego-arm (aka the true meego) | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: extract harmattan? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | AIUI you just start it, it has flasher built in | 17:45 |
| * javispedro worries about rotation support | 17:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't | 17:46 |
| nid0 | apparent lack of 4-way rotation seems peculiar | 17:46 |
| javispedro | not because of non-pervasiveness | 17:46 |
| javispedro | but because of the non-xrandr way of doing it :S | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 17:46 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: the original file is a shell script, i cutted it, renamed it to tar, untared it and now i have emmc.bin and img.bin | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 17:47 |
| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: and now i hope to extract the rootfs from the raw file img.bin | 17:47 |
| keks-n | Try to mount img.bin | 17:48 |
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| keks-n | As a UBIFS image | 17:48 |
| BluesLee | keks-n: okay | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea how MohammadAG did it, but he got http://paste.ubuntu.com/630358/ | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | rootfs is ext4, no? | 17:49 |
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| javispedro | does the n9 have any kind of hardware back button or something? | 17:49 |
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| Termana | javispedro, nope | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | definitely not, modulo the vol+/- | 17:49 |
| javispedro | feels like if some interactions required it | 17:49 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: yes (ext4) | 17:49 |
| Corsac | at least the kernel assumes so | 17:50 |
| Termana | Volume rocker and power button | 17:50 |
| javispedro | that or decorator is failing on xephyr | 17:50 |
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| keks-n | ext4 on mtb? | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ext4 on mmc | 17:51 |
| keks-n | rootfs on mmc?! | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 17:51 |
| jaska | haha | 17:51 |
| keks-n | omg | 17:51 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: nope, its a horizontal slide from the right edge | 17:51 |
| javispedro | webos style, no wonder. | 17:51 |
| hiemanshu | to go back | 17:51 |
| javispedro | yes you are right | 17:52 |
| javispedro | well | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | blaergh, I hate it | 17:52 |
| javispedro | that gets me to the task switcher | 17:52 |
| javispedro | so no idea | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | all this no-buttons philosophy | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | conservative DocScrutinizer | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:52 |
| javispedro | I'm lost on the mail app =) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: yeah, strange enough I like it when things *work* as supposed | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | good or bad? | 17:53 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Application_development_framework/Data_Storage | 17:53 |
| hiemanshu | well atleast my app works perfectly using the qemu sdk | 17:53 |
| javispedro | don't know how to go to settings | 17:53 |
| nid0 | speaking of mail, please please please x a million tell me this one'll support imap-idle and local subscriptions :< | 17:53 |
| javispedro | =) | 17:53 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: qemu is slow, but it has everything | 17:53 |
| * javispedro ponders dusting the blow off vmgl | 17:54 | |
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| javispedro | weird sentence | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: nice, but where shall I link it in? | 17:55 |
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| Corsac | ? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: (data storage SPARQL etc) | 17:56 |
| hiemanshu | if anyone wants to try, I can upload the nand and the meego root image (that one that runs via qemu) | 17:57 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I don't get it :) | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | see your own past some 13 lines above | 17:57 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: you asked if rootfs was ext4, I just provided you a link with storage details | 17:57 |
| Corsac | full stop | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | not really | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is about some Qt storage | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I didn't ask, I stated | 17:58 |
| Corsac | did you miss "filesystem overview" just below? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, indeed, as I wasn't really interested | 17:58 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: ok, I don't care anyway | 17:58 |
| Corsac | I was just trying to help | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | thnaks nevertheless | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | appreciated | 17:59 |
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| BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: looks to complicated for me, i will try the sdk | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: actually there's an awesome bit in there:>>rootfs directories are laid out in accordance with the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, version 2.3<< | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 18:03 |
| infobot | i guess optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I gather they had no such directive for maemo fremantle ;-P | 18:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless very next paragraph says >>Binaries and other files needed for running an application should be stored under /opt/<pkgname>... | 18:06 |
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| BluesLee | damn the sdk downloads are getting bigger and bigger | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | GB... TB | 18:07 |
| hiemanshu | BluesLee: yeah it was a 500-ish download | 18:07 |
| nid0 | hm, the n9 includes a builtin ftp server? | 18:07 |
| javispedro | btw our beloved icd2 is still here =) | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: o.O ??? | 18:07 |
| nid0 | oh, nvm, bluetooth ftp profile | 18:07 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there a rootfs link? | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: OMFG | 18:07 |
| hiemanshu | Corsac: for? | 18:07 |
| nid0 | the bluetooth profile list seems strangely lacking HID, again :< | 18:08 |
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| Corsac | hiemanshu: investigation? | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems none available | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even for fremantle afaik | 18:09 |
| hiemanshu | there is one in the SDK | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh | 18:09 |
| hiemanshu | its a qcow image of the meego root | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 18:09 |
| nid0 | hm, the built-in tethering's provided by joikuspot it seems | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: yep :-S | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | shame on you, nokia | 18:10 |
| nid0 | I hope it's implemented properly at least rather than an ad-hoc hack like we have currently :< | 18:10 |
| * hiemanshu mounts the qcow image | 18:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it's all the same as on N900 | 18:11 |
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| nid0 | hey, it does seem to include swype at least tho | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that is | 18:11 |
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| GAN900 | Oh, Engadget | 18:14 |
| GAN900 | You so biased. | 18:14 |
| javispedro | heya GAN900 | 18:15 |
| javispedro | come join our collective brainwashing | 18:15 |
| GAN900 | I want an N950 and I want it now. | 18:15 |
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| Termana | nid0, no it does not have the swype keyboard | 18:15 |
| Termana | nid0, it's the swipe UI | 18:15 |
| Termana | (nokia's UI) | 18:15 |
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| nid0 | Termana: sure? netbooknews has a spec list including an apparent list of preloaded software, and it clearly states swype, not the swipe ui | 18:16 |
| Termana | Then they have interpreted this wrong | 18:16 |
| Termana | It is Swipe UI | 18:16 |
| Termana | If you've seen the videos then you'll obviously understand why they called their UI "Swipe", even though its a pretty bad marketing move, since obviously people are already getting confused with the Swype keyboard | 18:18 |
| X-Fade | There are 2 things. The Swipe UI and Swype the input method. Notice the difference ;) | 18:18 |
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| nid0 | im fully aware of the difference between the swipe ui and the swype keyboard software, but several spec lists for the device are clearly stating it has both | 18:19 |
| javispedro | I want my Hatterman N9-00!! | 18:19 |
| X-Fade | Mad hatter? :) | 18:20 |
| javispedro | thp: absolutely funny "creative mispelling" ;) | 18:20 |
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| javispedro | on mobilecrunch nonetheless | 18:20 |
| javispedro | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2011/06/21/meet-the-nokia-n9-a-colorful-slice-of-meego-magic/ | 18:20 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: the arm image has a lot of stuff, there still seems to be the MyDocs thing | 18:21 |
| hiemanshu | s/thing// | 18:21 |
| infobot | hiemanshu meant: javispedro: the arm image has a lot of stuff, there still seems to be the MyDocs | 18:21 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: obviously | 18:21 |
| lardman | re | 18:21 |
| hiemanshu | and quite a bit more stuff | 18:21 |
| javispedro | which nokia binaries? | 18:21 |
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| vi__ | a b c | 18:22 |
| Termana | lardman, whatever you were going to say, my answer is no | 18:22 |
| Termana | :p | 18:22 |
| vi__ | s/b/d/ | 18:22 |
| infobot | vi__ meant: a d c | 18:22 |
| javispedro | hey lardman | 18:22 |
| vi__ | whoa | 18:22 |
| lardman | Termana: would you like me to send you a crate of champagne? | 18:23 |
| lardman | oh sorry, just read your response ;) | 18:23 |
| loft306 | ha ha | 18:23 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so.... has anyone mentioned haptics on the n9 | 18:23 |
| javispedro | hap-wap-tics | 18:23 |
| javispedro | no, doesn't ring any bell. | 18:24 |
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| lardman | hey javispedro | 18:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | it was supposed to have tactile feed back | 18:24 |
| nid0 | "it was supposed to" or "someone made up that it would"? | 18:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | where it feels like youre typing on a physical keyboard | 18:24 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_: that was the opitmist version. | 18:24 |
| Sazpaimon_ | the latter | 18:24 |
| * lardman is not quite sure what Termana means by his comment | 18:24 | |
| Termana | What comment? | 18:24 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_: the realistic version is that it will make some vibrations and noises | 18:24 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_: and thats about it | 18:25 |
| nid0 | there was plenty of haptikos speculation, but it was just as much complete guesswork hopefulness as any other guesses | 18:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | what a bummer | 18:25 |
| BluesLee | how old is the n9's gpu? | 18:25 |
| lardman | Termana: "Whatever you're going to say..." | 18:25 |
| javispedro | it would have been cool eh.. | 18:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | BluesLee, same as the n900 | 18:25 |
| Termana | lardman, [00:51] <lardman> re | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | Sazpaimon_: no, later revision | 18:25 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i thought the 3630 had the same powervr model | 18:26 |
| lardman | Termana: ah I see, bit slow today, all the cleaning I've been doing | 18:26 |
| hiemanshu | Sazpaimon_: yeah same model but a different revision | 18:26 |
| Termana | lardman, and all the cheap champagne you've been drinking ;) | 18:26 |
| Sazpaimon_ | also hi stskeeps, good to see you here at least | 18:26 |
| lardman | Termana: well I blame my wife for being pregnant, means I have to drink almost the entire bottle myself ;) | 18:27 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i read the n950 has the same hardware as the nO | 18:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | *n9 | 18:28 |
| Sazpaimon_ | well, simmilar | 18:29 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but no word on the soc and ram | 18:29 |
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| javispedro | the devkit might have between 512 and 1G of RAM | 18:30 |
| javispedro | while the n9 has 1G | 18:30 |
| lardman | damn these flash sites, makes it hard to view offline | 18:30 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah i saw some specs before announcement that it has less ram | 18:31 |
| loft306 | damn flash in general | 18:31 |
| Sazpaimon_ | cant complain if its free though | 18:31 |
| lardman | loft306: well yes there is that ;) | 18:31 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | also over 1300 comments on the engadget N9 hands on article | 18:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | which i just noticed was posted by vlad | 18:32 |
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| GeneralAntilles | How many of them whining about it not being WP7? | 18:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | which shocked me because he didnt use it to slam nokia | 18:32 |
| Sazpaimon_ | which he always does | 18:32 |
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| Termana | GeneralAntilles, from what I last read, lots of praise about it being MeeGo and people wondering why Nokia made the WP7 deal | 18:33 |
| nid0 | GeneralAntilles: it was actually fairly mixed but overall positive, its (unsuprisingly) gizmodo that's really ripped into it being a waste of a device | 18:33 |
| lardman | hmm polarised glass on the N9? | 18:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looking at how slick that device looks | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I'm floored Elop decided to basically kill MeeGo. | 18:34 |
| lardman | +1 | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | Doesn't lend much credence to his claims in that WSJ article from a few weeks ago. | 18:34 |
| vldcnst | He doesn't slam nokia that much | 18:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | I still think he's a scummy Microsoft plan. | 18:34 |
| Sazpaimon_ | gizmodo hates it becausethey thought it was an ipod nano phone | 18:34 |
| javispedro | I do not see it supporting imap idle | 18:34 |
| lardman | lol, it supports MMS | 18:35 |
| nid0 | :@ | 18:35 |
| nid0 | lack of imap idle and local subscriptions will really kill the device for me as an actual productive tool :< | 18:35 |
| lardman | that's quite cool how the numbers become smaller in the dialling pad so that you can still see the whole number | 18:35 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: Oh - noes - what will frals do? | 18:35 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | nid0 its an nseries device | 18:36 |
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| nid0 | Sazpaimon_: so? basic imap functionality isnt asking a lot. | 18:36 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/sdk8.png | 18:36 |
| Sazpaimon_ | you cant expect productivity from an nseries device | 18:36 |
| javispedro | that is the "how often check mail" dialog | 18:36 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: probably not have to answer silly questions from users about why it's not working because they didn't follow the instructions? ;) | 18:36 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: who knows, maybe I've done my part on the device when its on sale ;) | 18:36 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:36 |
| nid0 | Sazpaimon_: Modest supports imap-idle by default. The only reason the n900 doesnt have it is because nokia explicitly disabled it | 18:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | Going portrait-primary kinda pisses me off. | 18:37 |
| javispedro | I have to admit that the time picker widget is freaking cool. | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Actually, this is the same trend Nokia's been on for years. | 18:37 |
| Sazpaimon_ | im not saying it shouldnt be there | 18:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Screw the guys we already have, we want other people!" | 18:37 |
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| lardman | GeneralAntilles: well if the screen is polarised, then I guess they have to make a decision one way or the other | 18:37 |
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| nid0 | the "its not a business/productivity device" is not an excuse to exclude basic functionality, imo. | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon_ | but that you shouldnt have any expectation or functionality beyond media and social networking on an nseries device | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: How does it integrate with setting a claendar event - is there issues with being able to set 'next thursday' ? | 18:38 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: Oh - you don't have a device - oops | 18:38 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: Have not seen calendar app in sdk | 18:38 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: there is calendar app in sdk | 18:38 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: the qemu one | 18:38 |
| Sazpaimon_ | be lucky if they port mail for exchange to it | 18:38 |
| javispedro | hiemanshu: so, try it :) | 18:39 |
| hiemanshu | javispedro: powering it on | 18:39 |
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| nid0 | its already listed as supporting mfe | 18:39 |
| hiemanshu | it takes a while | 18:39 |
| Termana | Bing is going to be the default search engine ;) | 18:39 |
| Sazpaimon_ | im starting to like bing | 18:39 |
| hiemanshu | Imma bang the bing out of it :P | 18:39 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | googles been giving me too many garbage results lately | 18:40 |
| lardman | finally, an e-compass, rejoice! | 18:40 |
| javispedro | lardman: yeah, in both devkit and n9 | 18:40 |
| lardman | cool :) | 18:41 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i hope nokia approved my developer launchpad account | 18:41 |
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| javispedro | I created a launchpad account like half a year ago and hasn't been approved yet | 18:41 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i did it as a company though | 18:42 |
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| hiemanshu | well I hope they approve mine too | 18:43 |
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| javispedro | don't slip the queue dammit. ;P | 18:43 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | Sorry... | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | In order to access Launchpad you need to create a Developer Account and then apply to Launchpad. Please continue to create the Developer Account. | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | ddddd | 18:44 |
| * lardman registers for a developer account | 18:44 | |
| Sazpaimon_ | the launchpad registration was a bit confusing | 18:45 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i thought I signed up for it when i added my company | 18:45 |
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| hiemanshu | 'There is an existing membership application already for this program. The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed.' is what I get | 18:49 |
| keks-n | http://felipec.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/my-disagreement-with-elop-on-meego/ | 18:49 |
| keks-n | Hm | 18:49 |
| keks-n | Looks like there will be no other linux devices from nokia | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<GeneralAntilles> "Screw the guys we already have, we want other people!" ) BUT... but, there are SO MANY out there that haven't bought our product, and SO FEW here that are happy and and more of what we got! let's just bin it, and start something better, for the masses out there | 18:50 |
| thp | javispedro: ;) | 18:50 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | so wait | 18:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i just realized | 18:50 |
| Sazpaimon_ | the swipe interface stifles developers that wanted to have gestures in their programs | 18:51 |
| nid0 | well, it limits them to not having edge-of-screen swipe gestures | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | yeah | 18:51 |
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| javispedro | those were quite common on n900! | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon_ | hey microb had it | 18:52 |
| mikhas | are you koking? | 18:52 |
| javispedro | you just were not able to do them due to the poor edge sensitiviness ;P | 18:52 |
| mikhas | *joking? | 18:52 |
| Sazpaimon_ | and so did cutetube | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ... "and first of all let's see what is the stuff *most* people use, then we'll try to outperform Aplle and Google on their own playground. Forget about those linux nerds" | 18:52 |
| nid0 | that said, there are quite possibly perfectly good ways round it | 18:52 |
| mikhas | nid0, there are | 18:53 |
| nid0 | hell, software that wants an edge-of-screen gesture can probably just make it a 2-finger swipe | 18:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | im gonna miss the fm transmitter | 18:53 |
| mikhas | if people would only read the source code that is available at gitorious, sigh :-) | 18:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i only ever used it to fuck with people listening to the radio though | 18:53 |
| javispedro | mikhas: yes, I was joking ;P | 18:53 |
| Sazpaimon_ | that was fun | 18:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikhas: if only people would accept that this is a *butt-ugly* UI and nobody should support it ;-P | 18:55 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: stop resisting the brainwashing! | 18:56 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you... love... portrait ... keyboard-less.... capacitive .... obey! | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | r33b.net | 18:56 |
| mikhas | DocScrutinizer, some people like butts. fact. | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://r33b.net even | 18:56 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i like butts | 18:56 |
| lardman | hmm, anyone found the UI docs in pdf form? | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikhas: well, definitely the taste of Nokia GUI developers never been exactly mine. That's a fact for sure | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sazpaimon_: infobot got something for you ;-) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ubuntu | 18:59 |
| infobot | ubuntu is probably caca from this ass http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg | 18:59 |
| ver | nah that's how arch linux was born. | 19:01 |
| ver | great photo | 19:01 |
| keks-n | I'm still waiting for a phone with a normal distro inside | 19:01 |
| javispedro | funny | 19:01 |
| javispedro | why is the Qt SDK Maintainence Tool... | 19:01 |
| javispedro | ...written using Gtk+? | 19:02 |
| javispedro | ah wait, sorry | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAAAHAAABWAAHAA | 19:02 |
| javispedro | qt linked statically | 19:02 |
| javispedro | (otherwise can't explain 27MiB binary size) | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | oh. :) | 19:02 |
| ver | yeah qt uses glib though | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, the "don't eat your own dogfood" syndrome is widespread common | 19:03 |
| javispedro | was confused by the fact it refused to run without gtk+ (probably glib though) | 19:04 |
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| ver | it only links to glib so it can register fds in "the" system glib event handler afaik | 19:05 |
| Sazpaimon_ | hm | 19:05 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | will the n9 have swype? | 19:05 |
| javispedro | i know, but I though it would dlopen it | 19:05 |
| ver | glib is sorta like the 'i wish i knew c++' library. | 19:05 |
| ver | javispedro, absolutely it should be :/ | 19:05 |
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| lardman | interesting, one must choose an application colour | 19:08 |
| lardman | for highlights | 19:08 |
| javispedro | lardman: lol? | 19:08 |
| javispedro | lardman: err.. | 19:08 |
| javispedro | lardman: where? | 19:08 |
| lardman | http://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Colour.html | 19:08 |
| lardman | A key visual attribute of all Nokia N9 applications is the highlight color. Each application owns a unique highlight color for personality and differentiation. | 19:09 |
| lardman | When choosing your application's highlight color, consider aligning it with the primary color of your brand to promote your brand's presence and strengthen your application's identity. | 19:09 |
| javispedro | it is a bold move | 19:09 |
| Termana | Sazpaimon_, no, the N9 will not have SWYPE THE KEYBOARD. It has SWIPE THE UI | 19:09 |
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| * lardman wonders if there are sufficient colours for one per app ;) | 19:09 | |
| Sazpaimon_ | wait, did nokia remove ALL of hildon from the harmattan? | 19:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | what the hell | 19:10 |
| lardman | sufficient differentiable colours that is | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | it was announced long ago | 19:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i thought they were keeping hildon for backwards compatability | 19:10 |
| javispedro | lardman: let's go back to palmos days, and set up a central registrar for colors | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | the gnome foundation bid is so far a failure | 19:10 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or was that just gtk | 19:10 |
| lardman | javispedro: well I was wondering about that actually... | 19:10 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: 'Your application for orange has been turned down, due to earlier developer applications. YOu have been aloocated 'Puke Green'. | 19:11 |
| lardman | lol | 19:11 |
| javispedro | Nokia reserves all of the useful colors. For developers we will allocate a few thousand bright pink variations. | 19:12 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Homescreen doesn't do landscape | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's such bullshit. | 19:13 |
| lardman | is there any info on how to access e.g. the video stream? | 19:13 |
| GeneralAntilles | Probably closed source, too, so we can't fix it. | 19:13 |
| lardman | does one need to use Qt for that, as iirc you couldn't easily access each frame | 19:13 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: launcher does landscape | 19:14 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I've tried on sdk | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hmm | 19:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wasn't in the demo on Engadget. | 19:14 |
| javispedro | also mail does landscape | 19:14 |
| javispedro | settings, curiously, doesn't. | 19:14 |
| javispedro | BQ2415X | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | hey Stskeeps, is the way you can, erm, "speed up" my launchpad application | 19:16 |
| lardman | ah still Gstreamer I see | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | Sazpaimon_: you overestimate my importance | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon_ | or is that beyond your realm | 19:17 |
| Sazpaimon_ | :( | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | Sazpaimon_: ENOTANOKIAEMPLOYEE | 19:17 |
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| javispedro | there seems to be a friggin impressive battery usage monitoring app | 19:21 |
| javispedro | sadly, I can only get it to spurt garbage | 19:21 |
| javispedro | (obviously :P ) | 19:21 |
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| t8 | wow N9 looks sickkk | 19:24 |
| javispedro | #meego-bar, not #maemo | 19:25 |
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| lardman | hmm, bar sounds good | 19:26 |
| javispedro | some people are trying to work here | 19:26 |
| javispedro | well. | 19:26 |
| javispedro | "some" at least. | 19:26 |
| lardman | I should really go home, especially as I'm on holiday still | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: huh? BQ2415X? | 19:37 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: found that while grepping through the batt mon app | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaah, great. Well not SO great as it means... err... there's still no proper API, and a lot of mess | 19:38 |
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| lardman | cu tomorrow chaps | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also batt mon app? WTF? | 19:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: a dev thing seemingly | 19:39 |
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| javispedro | cannot actually run it | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, the picked our dead simple tools to read out the chips? | 19:39 |
| javispedro | dunno | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | strace, probably it still uses direct I2C access | 19:40 |
| javispedro | doesn't seem | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's prolly why it fails | 19:40 |
| javispedro | looks like they have a kernel module | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | cool shit | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | a KERNEL MODULE for bq24150? DUH! | 19:40 |
| javispedro | https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/2/28/492 | 19:41 |
| javispedro | nokian! | 19:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer points at his semi-finished spec for such module's API | 19:41 | |
| javispedro | BQ2415X_ENABLE_OTG | 19:41 |
| javispedro | :) | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF indeed | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | Implementation is based on BQ24153/6/8 datasheet | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got bq24150 on N900 | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | now WTF we couldn't get this for maemo? | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: mind to toss a URL to git? | 19:46 |
| javispedro | toss a url to git? | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | LKML not really helping to review src | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: something like mxr or similar | 19:47 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/2/28/494 | 19:47 |
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| javispedro | ah | 19:47 |
| javispedro | see above | 19:47 |
| javispedro | :) | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: thanks | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ENABLE_OTG just enables a input pin, needed for energency charge fastcharger detection basically | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't ask me what they thought about that naming | 19:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Oh, Intel. | 19:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | You're just too adorable. | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, GeneralAntilles | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're so cryptic | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, the silly emotion-based hating on Harmattan. | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, Intl joins in? | 19:52 |
| javispedro | I do think arjan's post on lwn is a bit over the top | 19:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Their complete lack of pragmatism will be their undoing. | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, not entirely. | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Just that they want to be strict about their bullshit | 19:53 |
| javispedro | sounded like me when I shout "the SDK is NOT AN EMULATOOOOOOOOOOOOOR", but arjan shouted "Harmattan is NOT MEEEGOOOOOO" | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | when Nokia is the only company shipping an exciting product | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Rather than leveraging Nokia's buzz. | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | ROTFL | 19:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Typically of short-sighted engineering types, though. | 19:53 |
| * GeneralAntilles <- saying that as someone who's been in that mindset more than once on several issues. | 19:54 | |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: Intel style is to announce and demo absolutely cool products, then ship nothing. | 19:54 |
| javispedro | like that stantum tablet | 19:54 |
| loft306 | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/check-availability?cid=ncomprod-fw-ilc-bdy-n9lnkms2pp_228x96-na-ms_swipe-g0-en-1todtmt773311 ....Whaaa.. usa not in the list | 19:56 |
| javispedro | <troll>stay away from this european invention and keep buying wp7 phones!</troll> | 19:57 |
| loft306 | Ha | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's basically nothing in that list | 19:57 |
| loft306 | though alot of places arent in tehlist | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the better part of EU missing as well | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | for Germany I can check either Suisse or Poland | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | UK, Fr, seems most of EU missing | 19:59 |
| pabs3 | anyone know how long the N950 loans are for? | 19:59 |
| Jaffa | pabs3: "As long as necessary" | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's been written somewhere? or maybe not? | 19:59 |
| pabs3 | hmm | 19:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | when are N950s going to be distributed | 19:59 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I'm still waiting on approval for my launchpad account | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I finally arrived to register for Launchpad | 20:00 |
| X-Fade | Sazpaimon_: 2 weeks. | 20:00 |
| javispedro | as I was saying, I've been waiting for half a year for my launchpad account | 20:00 |
| javispedro | or more iirc | 20:00 |
| Sazpaimon_ | javispedro, post about it on the forum | 20:00 |
| Sazpaimon_ | they have a developer forum for feedback | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | but now it says I have insufficient perms for joining developer programs | 20:00 |
| Sazpaimon_ | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/forumdisplay.php?166-Feedback-on-Forum-Nokia-Services | 20:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i dont think I did my launchpad registration very well though | 20:01 |
| loft306 | lol DocScrutinizer | 20:01 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I kind of did my membership request as a sales pitch | 20:01 |
| javispedro | Sazpaimon_: same, on MWC. | 20:01 |
| javispedro | hm | 20:02 |
| javispedro | can't be... | 20:02 |
| javispedro | well, don't remember where. | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | saying "We want to work with Nokia to hit the global market as opposed to a US-Centric iOS and Android approach" | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon_ | neve really dove into our projects | 20:02 |
| javispedro | then us-centric elop came to power | 20:03 |
| javispedro | and your registration was lost in the elop-mandated book burning session | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon_ | i only applied last night l) | 20:03 |
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| loft306 | he burns nightly | 20:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'll burn him ;-) | 20:10 |
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| loft306 | so what bring it out september then fush it back to christmas? | 20:13 |
| loft306 | *push | 20:14 |
| rm_work | lol well, I guess whether i get in to a developer program or not, I will have to find a way to get the N950 <_< | 20:14 |
| rm_work | some amount of money will have to be able to part someone from one | 20:15 |
| loft306 | bump and grab? | 20:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | AIUI somebody Nokia claimed they would like to sell N950 but have issues with CE cert (??? :-o ) | 20:16 |
| rm_work | >_> | 20:16 |
| javispedro | hard to believe | 20:16 |
| swordi | yo doc | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess they'll sort those issues out eventually | 20:16 |
| javispedro | more believable is that elop burned ce certs in latest book burning | 20:16 |
| swordi | will you buy n9 ? | 20:16 |
| loft306 | :) | 20:16 |
| rm_work | maybe one of the people i know there would be able to figure out something to help me... <_< | 20:16 |
| rm_work | i would never buy an n9 | 20:17 |
| rm_work | n950 on the other hand I would probably steal candy from a baby for | 20:17 |
| rm_work | >_> | 20:17 |
| rm_work | <_< | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it incredible? | 20:17 |
| rm_work | do you have full specs somewhere? | 20:17 |
| rm_work | i haven't seen them | 20:17 |
| rm_work | only seen the pic | 20:17 |
| loft306 | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n9/specifications | 20:18 |
| loft306 | GOT THE OTHER ONE HERE SOMEWHERE | 20:18 |
| loft306 | eeps | 20:18 |
| rm_work | yeah don't care about the n9 | 20:18 |
| rm_work | :P | 20:18 |
| loft306 | oops | 20:18 |
| loft306 | ohthat one | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia announces a device most people wouldn't want to get for xmas gift, with a strictly limited number of "devel devices" that will probably cause murder and robbery | 20:18 |
| loft306 | havvent seen anp | 20:18 |
| * javispedro looks at /opt folder in desktop pc... QtSDK & PalmSDK. Yep. So similar.. | 20:18 | |
| rm_work | yeah honestly don't care if i have to buy a stolen one or what, i'll pay for it <_< | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/N9-00/ | 20:20 |
| rm_work | though i guess i'd rather not know it's stolen :P | 20:20 |
| loft306 | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/nokias-n950-developer-meego-handset-gets-official-4-inch-displ/ just a little bit here .. not much rm_work | 20:20 |
| ruskie | I might get the N9 actually | 20:20 |
| rm_work | yeah i saw that one loft306, with the pic | 20:20 |
| ruskie | as a device to play with | 20:20 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: so that has the specs for n950 but the pics from the n9? rofl | 20:20 |
| ruskie | maybe use it for in car nav | 20:20 |
| rm_work | if i wanted in-car nav i would buy an android tablet | 20:21 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:21 |
| loft306 | nomething to loose and leave in the car | 20:21 |
| rm_work | prolly cheaper evem | 20:21 |
| rm_work | *evenm | 20:21 |
| rm_work | *even | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: not really | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, you're getting an N9. | 20:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | Don't deny it. | 20:21 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: nope :/ | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: http://pastebin.com/0SWqx8JL | 20:21 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: would rather just buy a G2 | 20:21 |
| javispedro | rm_work: you are indoctrinated already... just sleep... | 20:21 |
| rm_work | lol | 20:22 |
| ruskie | need to contact my operator to see how much the extra sim costs | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, pfff | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android is shit. | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | At least the N9 has a good OS. | 20:22 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: and it's unusable | 20:22 |
| rm_work | so that's awesome | 20:22 |
| rm_work | it's like hey, have an awesome os, but you don't get to actually use it, because we're taking your keyboard away | 20:22 |
| javispedro | man | 20:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Android is more unusable with a keyboard than MeeGo without. | 20:22 |
| javispedro | I'm starting to get scared with this n950 scarcity | 20:22 |
| javispedro | Nokia will need to send personal bodyguards along with the devices | 20:23 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm starting to think not everyone will get a device :P | 20:25 |
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| javispedro | one competitor less | 20:27 |
| pabs3 | anyone know how many N950s are going out to commercial devs? | 20:27 |
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| GeneralAntilles | 250 from MeeGo.com | 20:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | More from Nokia Developer | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | that's one less dev to worry about :P | 20:29 |
| pabs3 | yeah, I mean what does "More" mean? | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | >250 | 20:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | "lots" was a term I saw used. | 20:29 |
| pabs3 | very informative :) | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | no, we're not commercial devs :P | 20:30 |
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| GeneralAntilles | pabs3, I don't have an answer, sorry. | 20:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Go talk to developer.nokia.com | 20:31 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a bunch of losers on IRC. | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL >> Echo may be heard during some voice calls. This can be eliminated by turning speakerphone on and off during the call<< another OM deja-vu | 20:31 |
| javispedro | losers WITHOUT a device | 20:31 |
| pabs3 | huh, there is a post claiming 92,000 N950s: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1034974&postcount=7255 | 20:31 |
| divan | GeneralAntilles, how you know it's 250? | 20:31 |
| rm_work | divan: it says so on the site :P | 20:31 |
| pabs3 | 250 seems a bit low for the open source devs if so :( | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you applied? | 20:31 |
| divan | pabs3, prooflink? | 20:31 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: not yet, I'm waiting for everyone else to die first | 20:32 |
| javispedro | a master plan I have. | 20:32 |
| divan | s/pabs3/rm_work/ | 20:32 |
| infobot | divan meant: rm_work, prooflink? | 20:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3597 | 20:32 |
| disco_stu | omg the n950 actually exists.. | 20:32 |
| rm_work | divan: https://meego.com/community/device-program | 20:32 |
| rm_work | Units available: 250 | 20:33 |
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| javispedro | hmmm | 20:34 |
| javispedro | what kind of init does harmattan use?? | 20:34 |
| javispedro | I do not recognize it | 20:34 |
| divan | rm_work, it's website bug :) | 20:34 |
| rm_work | lol sure | 20:34 |
| rm_work | it's been there for ages | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | (commercial devices) it's probably safe to asume there will be at very least 1000..2000 devices from any serious preproduction run | 20:34 |
| javispedro | divan: not a website bug. that's the truth. | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible more | 20:34 |
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| divan | javispedro, it's pity. And how many units are available through Nokia Developers portal? | 20:35 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: elop is keeping them all for the grandchilds | 20:35 |
| javispedro | divan: as GeneralAntilles said, >250. That's all we know. | 20:35 |
| rm_work | hrm, i know i'm already registered on meego.com, wth >_> | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I said, >>250 | 20:35 |
| divan | And any information on Harmattan? What parts are actually from Maemo and what are from Meego? | 20:36 |
| divan | Sorry if you already discussed it today :) | 20:36 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I agree that a batch is probably on the thousands, but we do not know how many are available to launchpad and how many will be kept around for N other reasons | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 20:36 |
| javispedro | ah, init is upstart XP | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | divan: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta_content_comparison.html and http://build.meego.com/project/packages?project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | divan: that's not a complete list of harmattan packages though | 20:37 |
| divan | Stskeeps, thanks | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of shared linux/qt packages but also big differences | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: btw friggin launchpad, I still fail to make my way there | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | apt vs zypper, rpm vs dpkg | 20:37 |
| rm_work | Stskeeps: so, how funny/ridiculous/sad does this N950 > N9 feeling that's going around seem to you? lol | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | rm_work: you should really try the hw. it's delicious. | 20:38 |
| rm_work | Stskeeps: the n9 or the n950? :P | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: that comparision has your personal touch, no? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | rm_work: both | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: hmm? | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | Holy shit, Stskeeps is in #maemo. | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like it's done by you | 20:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | World's gonna end. | 20:38 |
| rm_work | Stskeeps: lol, I assume so :P hoping the N950 is actually *available* | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: well, maybe not | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no, thank god, it's a script | 20:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got hickup on reading "alsatools: removed" | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | then I figured we probably can get them back any time | 20:40 |
| javispedro | I think not being in the base image means they are not used by the base firmware, so that is for the better. | 20:40 |
| rm_work | Stskeeps: i won't be caught dead with just a virtual keyboard >_> | 20:40 |
| javispedro | rm_work: maliit also has landscape vkb | 20:41 |
| rm_work | Stskeeps: or rather, if I am caught with one, i hope I AM dead... and there's a chance it might have been the cause | 20:41 |
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| rm_work | I can see the headlines now: "Lack of Hardware Keyboard Causes Man's Death -- New Legislation Underway to Require Hardware Keyboards on Mobile Devices" | 20:42 |
| rm_work | :P | 20:42 |
| javispedro | only less person to worry about in the n950 BATTLE ROYALE! | 20:42 |
| divan | Did N9 Devkit was presented in Singapore? I saw 3 images of it over the net and they all differ. | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | N9 was presented. | 20:43 |
| GeneralAntilles | N9 DevKit is N950 | 20:43 |
| SpeedEvil | The N9 is to be a curvy thing with a rectangular slab of brightly coloured plastic as the base. | 20:44 |
| divan | SpeedEvil, I know about N9. Some news sites write then N950 (N9 devkit) was presented as well. But use old "leaked" photos. | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | The n950 is not so shiny, and is the dev platform for the n950 | 20:44 |
| SpeedEvil | n9 | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | that's the same device | 20:44 |
| divan | MohammadAG, proof? | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | except the leaked device had a 12MP camera | 20:44 |
| divan | ok, here is the first photo of N950 (I like most) - http://storage3.static.itmages.ru/i/11/0621/h_1308650003_5628d0de58.jpeg | 20:45 |
| divan | second - http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/newsimg/11/01/nokia-n9/big.jpg | 20:45 |
| divan | third - http://thenokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia_n950_1.jpg | 20:45 |
| divan | even fourth - http://www.themobileindian.com/images/nnews/2011/06/1639_1.jpg | 20:46 |
| ver | yummy. | 20:46 |
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| divan | third photo is actually is a screenshot from this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFAueZefAxk | 20:46 |
| divan | a few more screenshots: http://thenokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia_n950_slide.jpg http://thenokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia_n950_side.jpg http://thenokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia_n950_up.jpg | 20:47 |
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| ver | divan, i like that first one most too. | 20:49 |
| Jaffa | divan: ver: The N950 is strongly expected to now look like http://www.nokiablog.ch/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/326932798.jpg | 20:50 |
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| divan | Jaffa, sounds good. | 20:50 |
| ver | very nice | 20:50 |
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| haj | If one could get a N950... | 20:51 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders when they'll start shipping | 20:51 | |
| ver | any day now | 20:51 |
| divan | N9 devkit apply deadline is June 28th.. | 20:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | divan: the #3 link looks really odd | 20:51 |
| divan | DocScrutinizer, take a look at the video :) | 20:52 |
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| GAN900 | 38C | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | Ugh | 20:52 |
| divan | DocScrutinizer, looks like it was N950 with some modified plastics | 20:52 |
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| MohammadAG | divan, yes, that's how N900 prototypes were | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a plastic cover on it | 20:54 |
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| divan | MohammadAG, I've seen today the comparsion table for N9 and N950 - it's has some hardware differences. Maybe rumour, don't know. | 20:55 |
| rm_work | divan: DocScrutinizer just linked me the official release | 20:56 |
| rm_work | well, a pastebin of it | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | rumors? Nokia said what was going to be missing | 20:56 |
| rm_work | divan: http://pastebin.com/0SWqx8JL | 20:56 |
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| rm_work | looks fairly legit to me | 20:56 |
| Jaffa | It's freely described on developer.nokia.com | 20:56 |
| divan | rm_work, thanks | 20:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: no pastebin: http://www.developer.nokia.com/dp?uri=http://sw.nokia.com/id/3744886f-69c1-4544-8ad3-72b352b4a832/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers_Release_Notes | 20:58 |
| rm_work | ok well, i applied to the meego device program for n950... *crosses fingers* | 20:58 |
| rm_work | i would honestly like to get ABL working on MeeGo | 20:59 |
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| rm_work | then my project wouldn't just be stalled/dead like it is now | 20:59 |
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| Jaffa | rm_work: Looks accurate - but as DocScrutinizer says, go straight to the source | 20:59 |
| rm_work | Jaffa: lol, he's the one that linked it to me to begin with :P | 20:59 |
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| Jaffa | rm_work: He's playing with you like the puppetmaster that he is ;) | 21:00 |
| * javispedro ponders what to put in "project name" in the request form | 21:00 | |
| rm_work | javispedro: i put my project's name :P | 21:00 |
| rm_work | just to give you an idea ^_^ | 21:00 |
| javispedro | which one | 21:01 |
| rm_work | Advanced Backlight | 21:01 |
| rm_work | I want to get it working on MeeGo | 21:01 |
| javispedro | aah | 21:01 |
| rm_work | since I never got it working on Maemo5 | 21:01 |
| javispedro | so you're behind ABL? | 21:01 |
| javispedro | never connected dots | 21:01 |
| rm_work | yeah, I started it... and GA did the art :P | 21:01 |
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| rm_work | I had to reverse engineer DSME >_< | 21:01 |
| rm_work | #%&^% | 21:01 |
| rm_work | not that it actually turned out to be that bad | 21:02 |
| rm_work | but just... dumb that it was necessary | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: indeed | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | same thing with mce | 21:02 |
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| rm_work | in Berlin i just spent my time hounding the poor devs about opening DSME | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | :) | 21:03 |
| Jaffa | Happy days | 21:03 |
| rm_work | and they kept saying "there's nothing in there, why do you care, it's useless" | 21:03 |
| rm_work | to which I just kried inside | 21:03 |
| rm_work | and then kept hounding :P | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:03 |
| rm_work | eventually they were like "OH, well, sure, THAT'S in there..." | 21:03 |
| javispedro | rm_work: we could hire you again, same thing is happening these days | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, was in the same situation, I just put one of my apps | 21:04 |
| javispedro | "oh well, look: mce's source" "but it doesn't have all the plugins!!" "why you want those? they do nothing! nothing!!!" | 21:04 |
| rm_work | lol | 21:04 |
| rm_work | T_T | 21:04 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I put one and then linked to maemo.org/downloads/ for the other two :) | 21:04 |
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| rm_work | Jaffa: yeah, was sad I didn't make it to SF, but not sure i missed much | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: it'd be a LOL if it wasn't a :-( | 21:05 |
| rm_work | Jaffa: I guess I was sad I didn't make it to the other one in Spain too | 21:05 |
| rm_work | but GeneralAntilles and I have this thing, only one of us is actually allowed to be at any given Nokia related event | 21:06 |
| rm_work | it's cosmic law | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you're the anti-GAN? | 21:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will you annihilate when you meet? | 21:07 |
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| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: something like that | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 21:08 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: we'd probably hate each other and the meeting would end with both of us lying in a pool of blood | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tztztz | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, linked to gitorious and maemo.org profile in the last field | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mo profile been my chice | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | choice even | 21:09 |
| rm_work | Ah i should have linked to that too | 21:09 |
| javispedro | bah | 21:09 |
| rm_work | I wonder who actually goes through these applications | 21:09 |
| rm_work | I don't pity them | 21:09 |
| rm_work | there's so many levels of filtering... | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | Texrat is one of them | 21:10 |
| javispedro | I blame myself for putting all my source in git.maemo.org, gitorious, github, svn.javis... , and my random crap folder. | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | + qgil? | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | + Dawn(?) | 21:10 |
| rm_work | like the random people who are like "free stuff gimmie" and don't even know what coding is | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | Should be documented | 21:10 |
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| rm_work | and then once they deal with all that crap, they have to look at the serious use cases and actually decide, with very little real information, who has the most important/useful/interesting projects and actually deserves the devices | 21:11 |
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| rm_work | i'd admit to being on the lower end of THAT list, like i guess it'd be nice to have ABL on there but it's nothing revolutionary compared to someone who might have the next hit video streaming solution or something | 21:12 |
| Jaffa | qgil said they've almost always got devices to people who "deserve" them in the 3 times so far | 21:12 |
| SpeedEvil | ABL? | 21:13 |
| javispedro | Jaffa: sadly, that is not going to happen unless the 250 headcount is increased. | 21:13 |
| rm_work | am I the only one who uses that acronym? lol | 21:13 |
| javispedro | 400 is min required | 21:13 |
| rm_work | I *always* called my project by that acronym and i tried to get everyone else to use it but i guess it never really stuck, lol | 21:13 |
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| hiemanshu | so I just flashed my device to the pr1.3, and when trying to connect the wifi it keeps blinking, never connects, but the router is giving it an IP (I can see Nokia-N900 in the device table) | 21:13 |
| rm_work | SpeedEvil: ABL = Advanced Backlight | 21:14 |
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| rm_work | "AB" was just too generic / lame | 21:14 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I probably agree there. | 21:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 21:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | rm_work, it took a ridiculous amount of time for that idea to actually start being developed. | 21:15 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders where jott is these days. | 21:15 | |
| rm_work | yeah | 21:15 |
| rm_work | i have a phone number for him still | 21:15 |
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| rm_work | sometimes i feel like i should just call it | 21:16 |
| rm_work | i hope he hasn't died | 21:16 |
| rm_work | >_> | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG | who's jott? | 21:16 |
| rm_work | one of our ABL contributors | 21:17 |
| rm_work | it was basically me on code and GAN on design/art at first | 21:17 |
| rm_work | then daperl and jott contributed some patches | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | rm_work: you ever pondered getting gamma in there? | 21:17 |
| rm_work | and then jott merged his rotation project with ABL | 21:17 |
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| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: I could look into it | 21:17 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: that'd be changing software stuff, not hardware tho | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp for ALS multiplier | 21:18 |
| rm_work | so it'd require another completely seperate layer | 21:18 |
| rm_work | but it'd be doable | 21:18 |
| rm_work | DocScrutinizer: tell you what, i'll see if i can do that, if i get a device :P | 21:18 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: hi, so is it 250$ to buy the N950? | 21:18 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: I can find a friend to bring it from the us... want one? | 21:19 |
| rm_work | brb, calling jott :p | 21:19 |
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| javispedro | swipe horizontally in the harmattan terminal to change color scheme | 21:19 |
| javispedro | fun fun. | 21:19 |
| jamie | hellow people :) | 21:19 |
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| cityLights | can anyone PLS give me the short list of what is going on now? | 21:20 |
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| cityLights | did everyone decide the N9 is not relevent? | 21:20 |
| cityLights | are ppl ordering the N950? | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly ;-P | 21:20 |
| cityLights | develpers - that is | 21:20 |
| Guest85089 | hellow | 21:20 |
| cityLights | is anyone trying to install new flash on our N900? | 21:21 |
| cityLights | what is going on | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | You cannot order the n9 | 21:21 |
| Choom | cityLights: I like the N9 | 21:21 |
| unixSnob | damn n800 reboots spontaneously every couple hours or so... anyone else have that problem? | 21:21 |
| cityLights | I NEED the keyborad.... | 21:21 |
| Choom | in fact I'm pretty excited about the N9 | 21:21 |
| SpeedEvil | You cannot strictly order the n950 either - you need to beg for one. | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | unixSnob: have that with N810 | 21:21 |
| Guest85089 | n9 is like n8 ... noting special :D small screen | 21:22 |
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| MohammadAG | if you think the N9 is the same as the N8, buy an N8 | 21:22 |
| Choom | I was nearly sold out to the iphone 5, but now that the N9's specs have been unveiled, I'm pretty excited about it | 21:22 |
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| unixSnob | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks.. just wanted to know if i did something weird to cause that. | 21:23 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: I saw you have analyzed the spec and also got some flash unpacked | 21:23 |
| cityLights | what is your current verdict? | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | unixSnob: I have definitely no good clue what's causing it - might be related to WLAN | 21:23 |
| MohammadAG | cityLights, I'm not buying an N950 from anyone | 21:23 |
| cityLights | no | 21:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I would be surprised to see then N9 for sale before christmas. | 21:24 |
| unixSnob | DocScrutinizer: well i keep my device in offline mode overnight, and it still reboots periodically | 21:24 |
| cityLights | I mean : would YOU buy one? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | unixSnob: ShadowJK claims it's frequently caused by old battery | 21:25 |
| rm_work | unixSnob / DocScrutinizer: my n800 reboots now too, i figured some solder got loose or something, because it even does it on a brand new flash :/ | 21:25 |
| rm_work | yeah possibly that | 21:25 |
| rm_work | like, the voltage drops randomly too low | 21:25 |
| rm_work | and it just triggers a reboot? | 21:25 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: would you buy one? | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | bme lockup or sth | 21:26 |
| jamie_ | does anyone know how to put live desktop on n900? | 21:26 |
| rm_work | cityLights: i'd buy an n950, not an n9 | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: N950? nope | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | N9? never ever | 21:26 |
| cityLights | I want my boss to buy me one , my reason is: ssh to the office and a linux env to test small scripts | 21:27 |
| cityLights | and also write cleaver tools | 21:27 |
| rm_work | called the number i had for jott, got some strange german automated recording, asked me to leave a newsmessage or something? so i said my name and then it said something else and hung up | 21:27 |
| rm_work | unfortunately my german sucks | 21:27 |
| * RST38h yawns | 21:27 | |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: at 250$ it seems a bargain | 21:27 |
| rm_work | cityLights: yeah i used mine a lot for work / personal server maintenance and such | 21:27 |
| rm_work | it is amazing for that | 21:27 |
| RST38h | rm_me, javispedro, Doc: reMoo | 21:27 |
| rm_work | i don't think it's actually $250? where would you have seen that | 21:27 |
| rm_work | RST38h: lol, hey | 21:27 |
| javispedro | heya RST38h | 21:27 |
| rm_work | i have to run to a meeting <_< bbiab | 21:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: who told you 250? | 21:28 |
| * rm_work is at work, after all | 21:28 | |
| RST38h | Doc:Any new developments? | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: I heard sth of >600 | 21:28 |
| cityLights | I saw here the cost 250$ a few hours back.... | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: nah | 21:28 |
| javispedro | RST38h: mail client is called "fenix". be prepared to point your laser guns to it. | 21:28 |
| rm_work | cityLights: I think you saw "250" in relation to HOW MANY there are, not how much they cost >_> | 21:28 |
| rm_work | cityLights: specifically, how many there are in the meego device program | 21:29 |
| rm_work | anyway, bbl | 21:29 |
| cityLights | see ya | 21:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: "laser guns" is a nice euphemism for it... | 21:29 |
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| MohammadAG | at least Harmattan isn't giving the finger to all plain Qt devs | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | qtm pffff | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | QML | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though qtm is also pfff | 21:31 |
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| ShadowJK | If old N800/N810 battery causes reboot, it happens repeatedly when you insert charger | 21:32 |
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| javispedro | ShadowJK: yes, yes, any way to fix? please? | 21:34 |
| ShadowJK | new battery | 21:36 |
| ShadowJK | or weaker charger | 21:36 |
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| loft306 | ok so its 250 usin- gor romunity devs andnokia has more units gor partners and progessional devs | 21:37 |
| loft306 | *units | 21:37 |
| loft306 | crap | 21:37 |
| javispedro | andnokia is what happens after google buys nokia? | 21:37 |
| RST38h | javispedro: nondroid! | 21:38 |
| loft306 | ok so its 250 units for community devs and nokia has more units for partners and professional devs | 21:38 |
| ShadowJK | not fair, I want to buy a N950 :( | 21:39 |
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| loft306 | ShadowJK we all do | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | there won't be enough for devs | 21:53 |
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| loft306 | atleast the oss devs | 21:54 |
| ShadowJK | why cant they make 25000 and sell it | 21:55 |
| ruskie | I don't get it as well | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | come on, the device isn't even out yet and people fall into the default trap of " It's linux, open source, so all the Maemo and MeeGo devs will eventually turn their heads to it and fill the gaps and provide apps." | 21:55 |
| ruskie | well other than we don't want to provide warranty&repair service for this device | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | (in terms of replacing closed with open) | 21:56 |
| ShadowJK | ruskie, some people would say that's not a big change from the handling of N900 ;) | 21:56 |
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| javispedro | Stskeeps: and only a year later they will open threads complaining about how that never happend and my device is as useless as the first day! | 21:57 |
| loft306 | and we bought them | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: well, at least we are ahead of the curve for once, since we have meego.com for them.. | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | them being the new devices | 21:58 |
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| javispedro | then they will complain that meego.com is a .rpm trollzone or some other ridiculous claim. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | sigh | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | lesson number one i've learnt from the last years: you can never satisfy a community | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | if they're a consumer-vendor relationship | 22:00 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, thought this wasn't your chan anymore? | 22:00 |
| javispedro | lcuk: sshhhht! | 22:00 |
| ShadowJK | or if not n950 then N900i with fixed solder problems and 1G ram upgrade :P | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: i left tmo, not here, but i reserve my right to come by here once in a while :P | 22:01 |
| lcuk | heh | 22:01 |
| keks-n | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Summer_Release | 22:01 |
| keks-n | Hmmm | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ruskie: rumor has it Nokia got CE cert problems with N950 | 22:03 |
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| ShadowJK | isn't CE self-certified ;) | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno if it's been konttori who told it | 22:05 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if this swipe gesture to go to open apps is handled by each app itself or by window manager | 22:05 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway O assume eventually they'll fix issues | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: there's a mcompositor-swipe | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | O* | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrr | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I* | 22:06 |
| loft306 | :) | 22:07 |
| * ShadowJK guesses easydebian still wont work though, without keyboard :) | 22:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you get a nifty vkbd app running... | 22:08 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if freoffice ever became usable | 22:08 | |
| ShadowJK | I've been using gnumeric so far | 22:09 |
| javispedro | btw | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | but I guess gtk stuff is offlimits | 22:09 |
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| javispedro | some n9 screenshots | 22:09 |
| javispedro | show a "documents" app | 22:09 |
| javispedro | which I bet is freoffice | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | freoffice/koffice | 22:09 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, guessing os level | 22:09 |
| lcuk | since the photos app accidentally swipes to the main system panel | 22:09 |
| lcuk | instead of next photo | 22:09 |
| ShadowJK | javispedro, knowing past Nokia behaviour that might just be a simple text editor that saves in byteswapped ascii :) | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | I forget, was koffice view-only and crippled format support? | 22:10 |
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| cityLights | MohammadAG said that after I install a package , that adds .desktop file to the status UI it should appear | 22:10 |
| cityLights | however it doesnt | 22:11 |
| cityLights | why? | 22:11 |
| lcuk | cityLights, you have to put the .desktop file in the right place in file system | 22:11 |
| cityLights | right | 22:11 |
| lcuk | /usr/share/applications/hildon from memory | 22:11 |
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| lcuk | and have all the right stuff in it | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | status UI is the key | 22:12 |
| cityLights | /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu | 22:12 |
| cityLights | what is status UI? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you, a nasty critter | 22:12 |
| lcuk | that would be it :P | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh actually | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 22:13 |
| cityLights | pls look in my deb package file: http://code.google.com/p/switch-profile-by-meeting/source/browse/trunk/src/makeSwitch.py | 22:13 |
| cityLights | in line 40 I tell it to put the file there, and indeed after a reboot the button is added to the menu | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: you need al the rifgt position numbers in that file | 22:13 |
| cityLights | but only after a reboot | 22:14 |
| cityLights | why? need I add something to the postintall? | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | killall hildon-desktop, sth | 22:14 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: I dont understand, pls tell me what to add to my control file | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 | 22:15 |
| GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, time yet to get your TSG nomination rolling? | 22:15 |
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| cityLights | thanks, time to read.... | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | please don't use killall | 22:18 |
| cityLights | hi | 22:20 |
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| cityLights | I remember you told me that | 22:20 |
| cityLights | as I put in line 46: #no need according to MohammadAG pkill status | 22:20 |
| cityLights | so how? | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | never used python code for status applets | 22:21 |
| cityLights | tzafrir just tried to install it and the button is missing | 22:21 |
| cityLights | Tzafrir | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing the deb's unpacking in a way where the desktop file is installed before the plugin | 22:21 |
| GeneralAntilles | oRacleisian`1013 | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | so I'd ask khertan or play with the install lines | 22:22 |
| cityLights | oh the order is importent.... | 22:22 |
| cityLights | ok | 22:22 |
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| cityLights | no no let me try to changer the order | 22:22 |
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| cityLights | I can put it as the last line | 22:22 |
| Arkenoi | n950 is damn great, though i expected the screen (and keyboard!) to be 0.5" bigger, amoled and hdmi out | 22:23 |
| cityLights | in openvpn-applet I see: gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ | 22:23 |
| cityLights | o ok I see he did a trick | 22:23 |
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| cityLights | I saw it before and forgot to put it in the package, I used this in testing... | 22:24 |
| cityLights | ok | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | gtk-update-icon-cache doesn't do anything since PR1.1 | 22:25 |
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| rlinfati | flasher -Owait-charging -f -F <fiasco-image> :) | 22:30 |
| cityLights | MohammadAG: here is what mikko did: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/debian/postinst?revision=88&root=openvpn-applet&view=markup | 22:30 |
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| javispedro | SIMApplicationStyle | 22:36 |
| javispedro | icon-m-notification-sim-services | 22:36 |
| javispedro | that was a fremantle bug iirc | 22:36 |
| javispedro | s/bug/feature request | 22:37 |
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| Jartza | http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/264053_10150197077222854_669187853_6912007_4412831_n.jpg | 22:37 |
| Jartza | my wedding pic :) | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | congratulations :) | 22:38 |
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| Jartza | thanks :) | 22:39 |
| lcuk | congratulations Jartza | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | and mrs Jartza | 22:40 |
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| Jartza | thanks :) | 22:40 |
| hiemanshu | Jartza: congrats | 22:40 |
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| hiemanshu | Jartza: btw, you are showing the wrong finger :P | 22:41 |
| Jartza | how come? we're showing the ring finger :) | 22:41 |
| Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Turned the computer on to get it going | 22:41 |
| javispedro | Jartza: managing to make a wedding picture nsfw is no little feat ;) | 22:41 |
| Jartza | :D | 22:42 |
| javispedro | congrats! | 22:42 |
| Jartza | thanks all :) | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | congrats Jartza :D | 22:43 |
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| Corsac | nice finger | 22:43 |
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| cehteh | mhm DocScrutinizer couldnt openmoko buy the n9 up .. maybe not now but in a year .. make it completely open :P | 23:05 |
| cehteh | okok .. forget it | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Openmoko corporate is currently pushing up dasies. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | It is not pining for the fjoords. | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | It is not even resting. | 23:06 |
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| * cehteh wonders when the gta04 will be finally out (for consumers, not development samples) | 23:06 | |
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| Shapeshifter | so, why exactly is nokia promoting qt while phasing out symbian? | 23:10 |
| flailingmonkey | Shapeshifter: different groups in Nokia want different things | 23:11 |
| nomis | Nokia is still promoting qt? | 23:12 |
| Shapeshifter | nomis: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/06/21/qt%E2%80%99s-future-for-nokia-bringing-apps-to-the-next-billion/ | 23:12 |
| nomis | oh, from the wishful thinking department apparently. | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | anyone wanna make a guitar tabs application? :P | 23:13 |
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| merlin1991 | khertan: latest khweeteur doesn't install for me, postinst fails | 23:19 |
| PolarFox | MohammadAG: There isn't one? :o | 23:20 |
| Jaffa | Anyone got the Qt SDK updates working? Configuring a Harmattan qemu target on Linux doesn't seem to suggest a way of *starting* it | 23:20 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, javispedro in SB | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | PolarFox, no, I was thinking of something to read ASCII tabs | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | like the ones on ultimate-guitars | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | err, ultimate-guitar | 23:21 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: sounds interesting | 23:23 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: I might do it if I have some spare time | 23:23 |
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| merlin1991 | khertan: I made a bugreport (#826) | 23:24 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: javispedro: I thought the Platform SDK wasn't going to be required to app development | 23:24 |
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| konttori_home | Jaffa, app development should not need platform sdk | 23:26 |
| konttori_home | As long as it's qt app | 23:27 |
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| Jaffa | konttori_home: That's what I've thought. I've updated the Qt SDK; can see Harmattan qemu under "Maemo Device Configurations"; but can't add it to my existing project (nor choose it for a new project) | 23:28 |
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| Jaffa | konttori_home: Ah, there's an extra "Qt SDK > Experimental > Harmattan" checkbox under "Package Manager" | 23:29 |
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| anidel | Will Harmattan break my Fremantle SDK? | 23:32 |
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| Jaffa | anidel: Harmattan Platform SDK or App SDK? | 23:33 |
| anidel | Platform | 23:33 |
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| Jaffa | anidel: It's Scratchbox. You know what that's like | 23:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | so | 23:35 |
| anidel | mmmm | 23:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | almost 4500 comments on engadget relating to the N9 | 23:35 |
| Sazpaimon_ | in less than a day | 23:35 |
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| konttori_home | Jaffa, yeah. There should be even remote debugging done right in there. I haven't yet used it myself. We use SB internally still. Looking forward to do some projects on summer vacation though | 23:43 |
| * Arkenoi wonders what it takes to run gtk apps on n9/n950 | 23:43 | |
| cehteh | gtk :) | 23:43 |
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| anidel | damn it won't install and Fremantle SDK is broken...great | 23:51 |
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| anidel | wait, no space left on device... | 23:51 |
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