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| user__ | hi | 00:04 |
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| GNUtoo | btw does someone knows kexecboot: here's my issue: | 00:05 |
| GNUtoo | the kernel-power-42 boots fine | 00:05 |
| GNUtoo | with kexec | 00:06 |
| GNUtoo | but for the meego kenrel | 00:06 |
| GNUtoo | there is a huge lag between kexec -e and the start of the kernel | 00:06 |
| GNUtoo | like one minute | 00:06 |
| GNUtoo | what maemo kernel power patch should I look at | 00:06 |
| GNUtoo | ? | 00:06 |
| GNUtoo | or config options | 00:07 |
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| user0 | Hello. | 00:12 |
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| user0 | user0: did the testing today after getting the device back | 00:18 |
| user0 | had some old firmware on it but wasnt asking for any lockcode at boot | 00:18 |
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| user0 | so i got the code, it was something like 63856385, as in not the default one | 00:19 |
| user0 | i changed it and reflashed | 00:19 |
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| user0 | the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it | 00:20 |
| user0 | didnt ask for any lockcode after that | 00:20 |
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| vi__ | hi | 01:07 |
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| vi__ | anyone here? | 01:07 |
| vi__ | who knows osso-xterm? | 01:07 |
| vi__ | my question, if you would be so kind to answer... | 01:08 |
| papirius | 2001 It is discovered that US drug agents’ communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which | 01:08 |
| vi__ | the pointer mode of xterm, how to activate it without the toolbar? | 01:09 |
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| pauly | anyone interested in a n900 with broken usb and broken screen? | 01:17 |
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| mr_jrt | Ok, figured out why I wasn't getting my glib/dbus callbacks fired - I wasn't running the glib event loop. Next issue that has me stumped - how do I know when all the telepathy dbus callbacks have completed? They're fired arbitrarily by the event loop, and the completion callback fires when the call to query the properties completes - not when the callbacks have all finished. | 01:50 |
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| papirius | Psykosonik - PGP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesrsePAH8k | 02:11 |
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| maledong | lol | 02:21 |
| maledong | give us the next shiznit nokia | 02:21 |
| maledong | then maybe we'll port software | 02:21 |
| maledong | but fuck | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: see user0 above! | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: [2011-06-16 23:20:09] <user0> the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it | 04:22 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes it was possible to reset IMEI. | 07:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | (there are a number of cheap ipad plans, that it would be nice to use) | 07:14 |
| dm8tbr | I thought it was? | 07:20 |
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| haj | SpeedEvil: You can make Nokia reset your IMEI by giving you a N8 instead of a N900 ;) | 07:20 |
| dm8tbr | lol | 07:21 |
| haj | Like they did to me the bastards.... | 07:21 |
| dm8tbr | I'd at least expect an E7 and not a darn N8 | 07:21 |
| SpeedEvil | haj: really? | 07:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | haj: I hope you're an isolated case by a clueless repair shop | 07:21 |
| dm8tbr | N8 seems to be standard replacement nowadays, yes :( | 07:21 |
| haj | SpeedEvil: yes... I was ranting about it yesterday.. | 07:21 |
| haj | SpeedEvil: Nokias main repairshop in europe? | 07:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Ow. | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Bugger. | 07:22 |
| haj | " Hi | 07:22 |
| haj | Please kindly be informed that N900 swap units are not available any more | 07:22 |
| haj | and the official replacement swap units of N900 is N8. Therefore you | 07:22 |
| haj | received this model, please do not send back the device. | 07:22 |
| haj | Thank you! | 07:22 |
| haj | Best regards, | 07:22 |
| haj | Dóra | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning to send mine in to fix the intermittent. | 07:22 |
| haj | Dóra Szatmári | 07:22 |
| haj | Customer Service - Nokia Repair Hub" | 07:22 |
| SpeedEvil | haj: What'd gone wrong with it? | 07:22 |
| haj | Be careful about that... | 07:22 |
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| haj | SpeedEvil: It lost connection to the telephony functions when pressed on random places.. | 07:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - similar to mine then somewhat. | 07:23 |
| haj | They are such assholes... I can't even restore my backup on a N8 (not that I tried.. I'm going to call them later, and I don't want to turn on that shitty N8) | 07:25 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ Good luck! | 07:27 |
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| haj | SpeedEvil: Last time Nokia for me.... that's for sure... | 07:30 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes the n900 had been handled differently. | 07:31 | |
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| * SpeedEvil has the solution. It involves http://cgi.ebay.com/SCYLLAC-100-000V-1-3-F-HIGH-VOLTAGE-CAPACITOR-HV-100K-/170587818811?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b7d38b3b#ht_1102wt_1138 and two crocodile clips. | 07:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | Also Mr Elop. | 07:33 |
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| Arcueid_ | thing is goddamn cheap I can even open it with a knife! | 10:25 |
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| haj | great.. now I have a recorded conversation where Nokia's customercare promises me a new N900 if I make the store I bought it in complain that i got a N8 as a replacement for my old N900.... | 12:04 |
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| nid0 | the recording doesnt really help you much | 12:07 |
| haj | nid0: here in Denmark we have a televisionshow that loves to show bad customer support.... It should work to threaten them with that... ;) | 12:09 |
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| nid0 | I think even a trashy tv show would struggle to make "company swaps broken cheap phone with more expensive newer one per their warranty terms, call centre monkey makes a mistake" look terribly bad :) | 12:10 |
| haj | nid0: Perhaps it's somekind of service to give people N8's as a replacement because lots of people (non-powerusers) have been unhappy with N900.. ? | 12:10 |
| haj | nid0: N900 costs more than N8 | 12:11 |
| lolcat | Is the sequal to N900 out yet? | 12:11 |
| nid0 | haj, no it doesnt | 12:11 |
| haj | nid0: In Denmark it does | 12:11 |
| nid0 | find places that sell the n900 at a sensible price then :) | 12:11 |
| haj | nid0: Also it's a lower spec phone. | 12:11 |
| haj | nid0: But you are right that on ebay a N8 is more expensive than the few new N900's.. | 12:15 |
| haj | nid0: But I don't really care.. they should ask me. | 12:16 |
| haj | nid0: I have software for the N900 and can't transfer the license.. I can't restore my backup, it's only 16GB vs 32.. | 12:17 |
| haj | I have to go.. :) | 12:17 |
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| lolcat | According to PocketNow the device in question is Nokia N9, successor to the highly successful Nokia N8. Earlier this year, the N9 specs were leaked online to everyone's delight. Featuring an Intel 1.6 GHz processor, 1GB RAM, 200 MHz GPU with 512MB RAM, N9 also comes equipped with a 480 x 854 pixel display, 12 mega-pixel camera, full slider qwerty keyboard and amazing connectivity options. The N9 specs are infact so spectacular that it is touted | 12:19 |
| lolcat | true? | 12:19 |
| jaska | 1.6GHz intel? atom? wheres the nuclear reactor? | 12:20 |
| merlin1991 | jaska: you connect it over usb, a very convenient power source ;) | 12:21 |
| jaska | to a backpack battery?:D | 12:21 |
| merlin1991 | nah nuclear reactor :D | 12:21 |
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| jaska | ah | 12:21 |
| lolcat | I think 200mhz gpu was a bit low... | 12:21 |
| Necc | intel developing mobile processors quite a while now | 12:21 |
| Necc | why low? | 12:21 |
| Necc | 99.9% of the time the GPU usage is low | 12:22 |
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| jaska | ill eat a sock (maybe) if they come up with an x86 linux phone still | 12:23 |
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| lolcat | jaska: Why? | 12:25 |
| jaska | lolcat: it just sounds unlikely to me somehow.. with all the flopping around | 12:25 |
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| jpinxremoteshell | I have managed to hack my way through from my debian eeepc, through the n900 to ssh to my remote shell for irssi, but how do I get the gprs connection to actually connect the eeepc? | 12:26 |
| lolcat | jaska: How so? | 12:27 |
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| ruskie | jpinxremoteshell, setup iptables nat and ipv4.ip_forward for routing etc... | 12:33 |
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| jpinxremoteshell | ruskie: making the n900 a router? | 12:36 |
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| ruskie | jpinxremoteshell, yup | 12:39 |
| jpinxremoteshell | ruskie: ok, thanks, | 12:39 |
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| * jpinxremoteshell goes off to read up on that,,,, | 12:40 | |
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| jpinxremoteshell | ruskie: that's a pita, is there an idiots guide anywhere? | 12:49 |
| ruskie | no clue | 12:49 |
| ruskie | been ages since I touched anything like it | 12:49 |
| jpinxremoteshell | ruskie: :( | 12:50 |
| ruskie | might be on tmo | 12:50 |
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| jpinxremoteshell | tmo ? | 12:51 |
| mece | jpinxremoteshell, talk.maemo.org | 12:51 |
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| jpinxremoteshell | ok | 12:52 |
| jpinxremoteshell | kinda hard to do when the thing I need is neded to discover howto do the thing I need | 12:52 |
| ruskie | well you do have a browser ON the N900 that you can use | 12:55 |
| Hurrian | no one's using mobilehotspot? | 12:56 |
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| Necc | http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp333/ferretdna/1337fun/lcd784.jpg | 12:59 |
| Necc | ups... | 12:59 |
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| obcecado | hello guys | 13:28 |
| obcecado | has anybody experienced problems connecting to skype this week ? | 13:28 |
| xkr47 | not this week | 13:28 |
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| obcecado | reboot solved the issue | 13:33 |
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| Hurrian | anyone had any luck using the N95's AD-43 with the N900? | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | headset multibutton? | 14:25 |
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| Hurrian | docscrutinizer: yes. | 14:42 |
| Hurrian | i tried to sniff out any button presses from dbus -> no dice | 14:42 |
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| psycho_oreos | if it interests you, qwerty12 wrote a program to handle extra buttons on a nokia headset. The package didn't specifically specify which headsets would be supported or if it would even work with PR1.3 | 14:45 |
| psycho_oreos | that package iirc was in extras-devel | 14:45 |
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| skrrr | Hurrian: if I remember correctly that thing contains a battery, you also might want to check if it has any juice left | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: WHEN was that? | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: where's that pkg? pointer please, as I doubt that ever happened | 15:04 |
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| Hurrian | skrrr: they have batteries? | 15:06 |
| Hurrian | ugh, i'll have to go look for my N95 | 15:06 |
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| Hurrian | on a side note, the plugs that came with the n900 broke | 15:06 |
| Hurrian | seems to be a popular issue | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: forget it, afaik this doesn't work at all on N900 | 15:07 |
| Hurrian | D: | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: which plugs? what broke? | 15:07 |
| Hurrian | the wh-something | 15:08 |
| Hurrian | headset | 15:08 |
| Hurrian | with the button | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: sorry? | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 | 15:15 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, still looking for it, I couldn't find it with a simple apt-cache. Double checking with fapman and hopefully I wasn't dreaming :) | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: see ^^^link as well | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might be dreaming | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a package to start/stop mediaplayer playback via the one and only button on WiredHeadset | 15:17 |
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| Jade | hi | 15:17 |
| Jade | how i do restore the default /sbin/preinit from inside nitdroid? | 15:17 |
| Jade | i fucked it up and i can only boot into nitdroid now, can't hit 0 in multiboot or flash a new kernel because multiboot always takes over | 15:18 |
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| Jade | but nitdroid still boots and i need to fix /sbin/preinit to be able to reflash only the kernel from the flasher | 15:18 |
| chem|st | Jade: /topic! | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: so you say your N900 accessory wired headset is broken? | 15:18 |
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| Jade | oh | 15:18 |
| Jade | sorry | 15:18 |
| chem|st | hey doc! | 15:18 |
| Jade | i'd still like to know how to restore /sbin/preinit though | 15:19 |
| chem|st | Jade: no problem but there is a nitdroid forum and a channel... go there | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey chem|st | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | long time no see | 15:19 |
| chem|st | awe was busy, building a miner... | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | a miner? | 15:20 |
| chem|st | bitcoin/namecoin miner | 15:20 |
| Jade | oh i just remembered i have a rootfs backup somewhere | 15:20 |
| Jade | thanks anyway | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jade: no idea how to install preinit from nitdroid | 15:20 |
| Jade | i dont need to install anything | 15:21 |
| Jade | just edit a file | 15:21 |
| Jade | i just didnt know what to modify | 15:21 |
| Jade | now it's good | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jade: maybe use meego instead, it should be simple to do such things under meego | 15:21 |
| chem|st | I have no idea how to become rootdroid... | 15:21 |
| Jade | type su | 15:21 |
| chem|st | oh that easy... | 15:21 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: if you got a ati card somewhere you can make money with it, with most newer cards more money than you spend on power | 15:23 |
| chem|st | at least for the next 8 days *shrug* | 15:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever, support for multiboot and Mb related topics is really poor here, as everybody got fed up with it, and actually seems not that many users here that maybe are using nitdroid have a clue about how it works anyway | 15:23 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, yeah that's the package, headset-control :\ | 15:24 |
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| Hurrian | docscrutinizer: yes, the wired headset broke | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: this "printing money" really results in EUR on my account at a proper bank? | 15:51 |
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| Hurrian | this just in: btc is dropping | 15:52 |
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| Hurrian | docscrutinizer, you should've been in here from about this time last year | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: there are zillion headsets that are compatible, ~5€ in your Import/export shopee next street crossing | 15:52 |
| Hurrian | bitcoins were worth $0.5 about this time last year | 15:52 |
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| Hurrian | they hit $26 recently and crashed | 15:53 |
| Hurrian | went back up, and it's falling again | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I still can mint binary money and actually get *real* money for it? | 15:54 |
| Hurrian | yes! | 15:54 |
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| Hurrian | and it works a lot better with an AMD card | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like a way to make a living - as weird as it is | 15:54 |
| Hurrian | 4chan's /g/ actually proved a few weeks ago that an i5 2500K + 6950 gaming rig can pay for itself in around 2-3 months | 15:56 |
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| Hurrian | the 6950 being a reference card and unlocked to become a 6970 | 15:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the algo to mint bitcoins is FOSS? | 15:57 |
| Hurrian | yeah | 15:57 |
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| Hurrian | it was actually forked to become namecoin | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | bat-mad concept | 15:58 |
| Hurrian | the latter didnt work out too well | 15:58 |
| nid0 | its very volatile though, as "paying for itself" is totally at the mercy of price changes, coupled with the fact that a lot more people are now mining a lot more because of the price changes, which in turn makes mining take much longer | 15:58 |
| Hurrian | @nid0 : exactry | 15:58 |
| Hurrian | dat block difficulty is going to keep on rising | 15:58 |
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| Hurrian | after the numerous troll "OMG ITS GONNA CRASH" threads, i panicked and sold it all | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and who's going to *buy* that bitcoin treasure for *real* money? And why? | 15:59 |
| Hurrian | turns out, they were right | 15:59 |
| Hurrian | @DocScrutinizer: people who think BTC is cool | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | pointer? | 15:59 |
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| Hurrian | i used to think it was cool, when it was 0.20/USD, and bought a load | 16:00 |
| Choom | it lacks liquidity and is a huge pyramid scheme | 16:00 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: probably most people that actually want to spend it | 16:00 |
| Choom | it's also an asset, not a currency | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually could use a source of income | 16:00 |
| Hurrian | >>>mtgox and dwolla | 16:00 |
| nid0 | people who see bitcoin as a source of income mine it, people who see it as a currency to spend buy it | 16:00 |
| Hurrian | mine, sell on mtgox, sell to dwolla and it goes to your bank | 16:00 |
| Choom | and an economy based on deflation with a "currency cap" can never succeed because it encourages people to save their "money" instead of circulating it (like in inflation-based economies) | 16:01 |
| Hurrian | pretty simple for people with monster computers and idle it all the time | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Choom: what now? inflation or deflation? | 16:01 |
| Hurrian | imo, way more worth your time than seti@home | 16:01 |
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| Choom | DocScrutinizer: deflation encourages people to keep the money because it will only increase in value | 16:02 |
| Choom | this is opposed to inflation, which encourages circulation | 16:02 |
| Hurrian | https://mtgox.com/ | 16:02 |
| Hurrian | scroll down | 16:02 |
| Hurrian | said bubble is bursting | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Choom: yes | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, got your bracketed expression wrong | 16:03 |
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| Choom | the whole system is rigged to provide the early adopters with huge provit, which is why I personally call it a pyramid scheme | 16:04 |
| nid0 | sigh, need cheaper hard drives :< | 16:04 |
| Choom | profit* | 16:04 |
| Hurrian | @choom: spot on | 16:04 |
| Hurrian | and i'm swimming in profit. | 16:05 |
| Hurrian | but hey | 16:05 |
| Hurrian | mining was made easier by gpu clients | 16:05 |
| Hurrian | now that REALLY brought in the average people to start mining | 16:05 |
| nid0 | well, not unless theyre genuinely serious about it | 16:06 |
| nid0 | joe home user probably isnt going to want to sit next to the jet engine noise of his gpu fan running at max 24x7 | 16:06 |
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| Hurrian | seeing as 1 btc hit ~26$ recently (and fell, but that's beside the point), electricity being flat-rate for a lot of people, and mining pools making it easier | 16:07 |
| Hurrian | it's pretty tempting | 16:07 |
| nid0 | if I wasnt bothered about things like being able to hear the tv, or myself think, id have probably been mining for a while with my 2 4870x2's | 16:07 |
| Hurrian | personally, i'd advise not jumping in just yet - block difficulty is thru the roof, and you'd probably make more money treating btc as stocks | 16:09 |
| Hurrian | uhh, i wouldn't do the last one | 16:10 |
| Hurrian | wait until it's back to $20 | 16:10 |
| Juozapas | can u recommend some good ebook reader who also open pdf files? | 16:12 |
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| Hurrian | juozapas : kindle/kindle dx + calibre to convert pdf's | 16:13 |
| Juozapas | i mean soft for n900 :) | 16:14 |
| Hurrian | PDF reader | 16:14 |
| Hurrian | the built-in one | 16:14 |
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| Juozapas | it's the best one? | 16:15 |
| Hurrian | yes. | 16:15 |
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| Juozapas | k :| | 16:15 |
| Juozapas | thx | 16:15 |
| Hurrian | put it in landscape mode, and use the stylus to scroll | 16:15 |
| Juozapas | the combination for landscape mode? | 16:16 |
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| Hurrian | uhh, cssu i guess? | 16:17 |
| Hurrian | idk, never a fan of landscape mode | 16:17 |
| Hurrian | and reading tiny text on a small LCD screen is probably the worst way to do it | 16:17 |
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| Juozapas | ok i misunderstood between lanscape and portrait mode :) | 16:21 |
| Hurrian | oh.. | 16:21 |
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| Hurrian | oh crap, sorry | 16:21 |
| Hurrian | i meant portrait | 16:22 |
| Hurrian | replace all landscape with portrait | 16:22 |
| Juozapas | :) | 16:22 |
| Hurrian | damn it's late | 16:22 |
| Hurrian | night | 16:22 |
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| RST38h | "Nokia Windows Phones will launch in six European nations first, Finland not among them" | 16:30 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: ? | 16:35 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: ? | 16:36 |
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| Jaffa | RST38h: Wondered where you'd read about the WP phones launching not in Finland | 17:09 |
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| nid0 | engadget probably | 17:10 |
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| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/17/nokia_ipcom/ <-- so patent trolling at it's finest | 17:56 |
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| Choom | another C++0x question | 18:04 |
| Choom | when someone does something like std::vector<int> {1, 2, 3}; how's {1, 2, 3} being passed to the vector? | 18:05 |
| Choom | is it passed as an array to a copy ctor? is it relying on any kind of iterator to fill the vector? how does this work for std::vector? | 18:06 |
| MoonTiger | ok got it | 18:07 |
| MoonTiger | sheesh complicated :) | 18:07 |
| MoonTiger | thnx anyways | 18:07 |
| Choom | my real question is, if I wanted to implement a container that accepted that kind of value list, what would I have to do in order to ensure that my container works correctly with it? | 18:08 |
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| Choom | oops | 18:09 |
| Choom | ROFL | 18:09 |
| Choom | wrong channel | 18:09 |
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| Choom | sorry | 18:09 |
| Choom | was supposed to be in ##c++ | 18:09 |
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| crashanddie | Choom, OMG LOL WTF HAHAHA | 18:25 |
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| Choom | took me ages to realize | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | by the way, for what it's worth, I don't think std::vector<int> {1, 2, 3} is a valid c++0x line | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | unless you std::vector<int> v {1, 2, 3}? | 18:27 |
| crashanddie | s/you/you meant/ | 18:28 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: unless you meant std::vector<int> v {1, 2, 3}? | 18:28 |
| Choom | it isn't, I missed the variable name | 18:28 |
| Choom | doesn't matter, I've already asked the question in the right place | 18:28 |
| Choom | (std::vector<int>) {1, 2, 3}, however, would be a vaild C++0x expression | 18:29 |
| crashanddie | but isn't that entirely different? | 18:30 |
| Choom | no, it's the same thing actually, as far as my question was concerned | 18:31 |
| Choom | I was asking about handling initializer lists | 18:31 |
| Choom | and was told that I get passed an stdd::initializer_list to iterate through when that kind of initialization is used | 18:32 |
| Choom | std* | 18:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry for all the relogging - I'm having ISP issues. | 19:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Namely they're asshats that turned off my line accidentally, and won't turn it on again for 5 days, hence 3G. | 19:24 |
| ruskie | so not fun | 19:25 |
| ruskie | my ISP forgot to up my speed when we got a new contract | 19:25 |
| ruskie | so was on 13/1.5 for the last 6 months | 19:25 |
| rm_work | SpeedEvil: same thing happened to me recently | 19:25 |
| ruskie | but after I noticed they upped it immediately and sent they'll reduce next months costs by the difference | 19:26 |
| rm_work | SpeedEvil: I had two Cable Internet lines and Cable TV. I cancelled one of the internet lines and the tv, to leave me with one cable internet line (which I upgraded a whole heck of a lot) | 19:26 |
| rm_work | the guy came to my house when i wasn't home and just cut the entire line to the house and left | 19:26 |
| rm_work | i was lucky, i got home early that day and called them and bitched and they managed to send another guy out that evening, otherwise i would have had to wait 4 days (it was a holiday weekend) | 19:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I had two DSL lines A and B on accounts a and b. Line A was better, so I arranged for them to swap account 'a' onto line B, then cease account b. | 19:27 |
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| rm_work | sounds similar then, lol | 19:27 |
| rm_work | they don't handle "complicated" well | 19:27 |
| ruskie | heh | 19:27 |
| rm_work | yeah i used to run dual-WAN on two 12/1.5 cable lines | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course - they end up moving account a onto line B, and then ceasing both lines, as they'd left 'b''s record pointing at teh number that now had 'a' on. | 19:28 |
| rm_work | then they upgraded their whole network | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | What really annoys me is that I mailed them asking to check it 10 days ago. | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Meh. | 19:28 |
| rm_work | so now i have a single 70/6 line | 19:28 |
| ruskie | wtf do you need 70 down? | 19:29 |
| Choom | where I live, bandwidth is not an issue | 19:29 |
| Choom | my average residential connection is a 120mbps/8mbps DOCSIS2 | 19:29 |
| ruskie | eurodocsis3 here | 19:30 |
| Choom | and my ISP offers up to 1Gbps/1Gbps for those willing to pay for that | 19:30 |
| rm_work | Choom: i would totally get Gbit | 19:30 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 19:30 | |
| rm_work | how much do they charge for that | 19:30 |
| Choom | 250EUR | 19:30 |
| SpeedEvil | I have - when it's working - 3mbit/0.48 | 19:31 |
| rm_work | ack, lol | 19:31 |
| rm_work | might still be worth it | 19:31 |
| rm_work | my 70/6 costs $89.99 USD / month | 19:31 |
| Choom | personally I don't really see the point to so much bandwidth | 19:33 |
| ruskie | same | 19:33 |
| Choom | unless I actually intended to resell services | 19:33 |
| ruskie | more upload yes | 19:33 |
| Choom | even the upstream, I'm perfectly fine with 8mbps | 19:34 |
| nid0 | you tend to find ways to use huge amounts of traffic when you have it | 19:34 |
| Choom | the only places where I can actually take advantage of my average downstream re steam and battle.net | 19:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I would - ideally - like to be able to stick on a blue-ray quality stream onto a large monitor as a 'window' | 19:34 |
| nid0 | "screw local backups, why not just mirror my entire machine in realtime to remote storage" | 19:35 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: And RAID with your friends. | 19:35 |
| Choom | nid0: I no longer instal physical copies of games | 19:35 |
| Choom | since steam is faster than my DVD drive | 19:35 |
| Choom | so there's a use case for all the bandwidth that I have available, but I don't install games that often | 19:36 |
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| ruskie | I prefer retail releases but then I play on PS3 | 19:36 |
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| ruskie | simply because I can then sell off the game or lend it to a friend | 19:36 |
| Choom | usually I buy from retail firsta and then from steam when it becomes cheap for the convenience alone | 19:37 |
| nid0 | there being no way to transfer licenses on steam does really irritate me | 19:37 |
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| rm_work | i heavily use Steam <_< | 19:37 |
| rm_work | but also torrents are nice | 19:38 |
| rm_work | like, linux distros, of course :) | 19:38 |
| rm_work | brb | 19:38 |
| * Choom is legit | 19:38 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Why did Motorola steal the N900's keyboard look for the Droids. . . . | 20:11 |
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| petteri | they hope someone looking for n900 will accidentally buy droid | 20:13 |
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| moo__ | android blows | 20:14 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good afternoon | 21:22 |
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| javispedro | evening gentlemen | 21:44 |
| rm_work | GeneralAntilles: i'm happy if ANYONE steals ANYTHING from ANYONE as long as it involves there being a physical keyboard on a smartphone >_> | 21:45 |
| rm_work | there are damn few enough as it is | 21:45 |
| rm_work | i'm really scared they will die off altogether | 21:45 |
| javispedro | blame steve jobs | 21:45 |
| rm_work | there are very few people hardcore enough (like us) to actually DEMAND a hardware keyboard | 21:45 |
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| rm_work | mostly people either don't care, or "prefer one, but it's not a dealbreaker" | 21:46 |
| rm_work | T_T | 21:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | rm_work, not as few as you think | 21:46 |
| rm_work | i know ONE person IRL that is like me | 21:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | on forum nokia's voting, 1/3 people preferred touchscreen+qwerty | 21:46 |
| rm_work | only three people who actually have hardware keyboards | 21:46 |
| rm_work | Venemo_N900: and how many that "didn't care"?> | 21:46 |
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| Venemo_N900 | other 1/3 preferred touchscreen only | 21:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | and the rest preferred the traditional number keys | 21:48 |
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| Venemo_N900 | rm_work, ^ | 21:51 |
| rm_work | rofl | 21:52 |
| rm_work | the problem is | 21:52 |
| rm_work | the people who preferred "touchscreen+qwerty", if they were given a REALLY cool phone, but it was lacking a keyboard, they would prolly just say "eh, i'll deal with touchscreen only" | 21:53 |
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| rm_work | i *will not* use a phone without a hardware keyboard :/ | 21:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | rm_work: Indeed. Look at the number of 4:3 screens on the market. | 21:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Though many people prefer them | 21:55 |
| rm_work | T_T | 21:56 |
| rm_work | makes me sad | 21:56 |
| rm_work | anyway brb meeting | 21:56 |
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| admiral0 | hi | 22:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 22:03 |
| admiral0 | i've got trouble compiling kernel power | 22:03 |
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| admiral0 | can anybody help please | 22:03 |
| admiral0 | uh nvm | 22:04 |
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| Venemo_N900 | admiral0, what is the issue? | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: o/ | 22:15 |
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| Venemo_N900 | yo DocScrutinizer | 22:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | how're you these days? | 22:17 |
| admiral0 | hi | 22:17 |
| admiral0 | no i had problem with make menuconfig | 22:17 |
| admiral0 | i solved | 22:17 |
| admiral0 | by redownloading sourc | 22:17 |
| admiral0 | but cannot find source for ecryptfs | 22:17 |
| admiral0 | so ... | 22:18 |
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| admiral0 | no i'm trying to port zsh | 22:18 |
| admiral0 | optify it | 22:18 |
| javispedro | by rebuilding the kernel??? | 22:19 |
| admiral0 | no | 22:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | ok admiral0 :) | 22:20 |
| admiral0 | i needed kernel to see its make menuconfig | 22:20 |
| admiral0 | ecryptfs is not there :P | 22:20 |
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| admiral0 | n900 community is kinda stopped | 22:25 |
| admiral0 | :( | 22:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | why is that? | 22:26 |
| admiral0 | i see some projects stopped | 22:26 |
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| admiral0 | like bluemaemo | 22:27 |
| admiral0 | it doesn't even install :\ | 22:27 |
| psycho_oreos | there's a fix for that, its noted on t.m.o | 22:27 |
| admiral0 | psycho_oreos: could you please link? | 22:27 |
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| * admiral0 = rage | 22:28 | |
| admiral0 | debs...Y U NO USE rpm | pkg.tar.xz | 22:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | admiral0, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=950932#post950932 | 22:31 |
| admiral0 | psycho_oreos: thanks | 22:31 |
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| GeneralAntilles | javispedro, isn't it disgusting how the industry and consumers follow lock-step with whatever Apple comes up with? | 22:33 |
| GeneralAntilles | How is it that they're the only company that seems to be able to make people want things. | 22:34 |
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| javispedro | you're asking me? =) | 22:34 |
| javispedro | Note that Nokia _used_ to be able to do that in Europe | 22:35 |
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| admiral0 | oh dammit | 22:35 |
| javispedro | (I am impressed how they could sell s60 crap the same way I'm impressed how Apple can sell capacitive crap...) | 22:35 |
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| admiral0 | i'm tarballing it and putting on t.m.o | 22:35 |
| javispedro | (my apologies to s60 fans... ;) ) | 22:35 |
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| admiral0 | javispedro++ | 22:36 |
| Arkenoi | javispedro: are there any still alive? | 22:36 |
| javispedro | Arkenoi: definitely, and quite importantly: a large segment of the late adopters are s60 fans. | 22:37 |
| javispedro | (at least from my limited regional PoV) | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | Now resistive is somehow "Bad" (see Wii U commentary) | 22:37 |
| * GeneralAntilles came from Newton. | 22:38 | |
| Arkenoi | ah, i've seen some on local forums, thought it is russian native craze | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | How's that for a small demographic? | 22:38 |
| Arkenoi | "n8 is a great phone because it is better than 5800xm, and e7 is a great phone because it is way better than n97" | 22:38 |
| Arkenoi | not even a single person who never owned a symbian phone before | 22:39 |
| Arkenoi | dinosaurs | 22:39 |
| Arkenoi | dead end of evolution | 22:39 |
| javispedro | GeneralAntilles: note they also used the "cheap" keyword. When these days its probably the opposite.. | 22:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wee, economies of scale! | 22:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | I just wish somebody would ship Stantum | 22:42 |
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| javispedro | what enrages me is that Apple, in their infinite wisdom, when spamming me about how an iPad could help me with my postgrad (how the hell do they know??), show an screenshot of someone's notes on a iPad -- pencil notes. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | That would make me happy. | 22:42 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hehe | 22:42 |
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| * Arkenoi wants a perfect note taking gadget. "perfect" implies having a physical keyboard for me, so tablets do not fit. | 22:43 | |
| javispedro | the fact that noone shipped stantum yet probably tells something | 22:44 |
| Arkenoi | i mean "pda tablets" | 22:44 |
| Arkenoi | "notebook tablets" just suck | 22:44 |
| javispedro | either überexpensive or potentially not as perfect as it seems | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Well, bad timing would be my guess. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | Apple had already convinced everybody it was capacitive or die by the time it got close to market ready. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | I suspect it isn't cheap, either. | 22:44 |
| GeneralAntilles | But still | 22:45 |
| * GeneralAntilles sighs at resume bugs. | 22:45 | |
| javispedro | I ponder why Stantum does not have a list of friggin devices, I mean, someone must be using it. | 22:45 |
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| Arkenoi | ah, and it should be resistive, drawing anything on a capacitive screen is sad juke | 22:46 |
| Arkenoi | joke | 22:46 |
| javispedro | http://www.stantum.com/touchpoint/issue7/take_the_floor | 22:46 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Tuesday | 22:46 |
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| javispedro | one things for sure on tuesday: it will be capacitive =) | 22:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Yes. | 22:48 |
| javispedro | heh | 22:48 |
| javispedro | according to stantum | 22:48 |
| javispedro | intel one has stantum tablet | 22:48 |
| javispedro | "quanta redvale" running meego | 22:48 |
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| javispedro | mmmm... old news seemingly ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU ) | 22:49 |
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| MoonTiger | wow #maemo-dev is really cooking eh? NOT | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | What else do you expect? | 22:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | The platform's on its way out. | 22:50 |
| MoonTiger | some ppl in there to ask dev questions of : | 22:51 |
| MoonTiger | i think its just beginning to rock now nokia have left it alone :) | 22:51 |
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| andre__ | MoonTiger, #maemo is totally sufficient for that | 22:53 |
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| MoonTiger | ok cool :) | 22:53 |
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| phap | helloooo | 23:14 |
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| MoonTiger | hi :) | 23:42 |
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| MoonTiger | is anybody home? | 23:44 |
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| ShadowJK | sure | 23:45 |
| MoonTiger | can i assume sqlite is available to an app im writing? | 23:46 |
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| ShadowJK | yes | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | mp-fremantle-pr depends on it | 23:49 |
| ShadowJK | mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 23:49 |
| cehteh | adding it to the depends list wont be bad anyways .. just in case someone ports the package to some other os | 23:51 |
| MoonTiger | ok | 23:53 |
| MoonTiger | im writing if for desktop gtk & maemo | 23:53 |
| MoonTiger | so i will add a dependency | 23:53 |
| MoonTiger | thnx :) | 23:53 |
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