IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2011-05-10

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DocScrutinizerlast week we had an average of >2users(day who got fsckd by multiboot00:03
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DocScrutinizermeanwhile I'm considering to not only ask for ban of multiboot pkg on maemo, but also to ban multiboot topic on this channel00:04
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DocScrutinizer  ENJOY! :-P00:08
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thomas_schI think I will reflash the init00:13
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: how about a MaemoWeekly column "WTF app of the week (/month/whatever)" - multiboot definitely qualifies for that title for 2010Q4 and 2011Q100:18
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: there've been sound remarks about multiboot being dangerous to the device and thus MUST get removed from extras and extras-testing00:25
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: I support that notion00:26
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: multibot wears out NAND by way too many useless flashing of kernel, and it breaks all "normal" upgrade procedures00:27
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: uninstalling it is nonsense as you'll have to flash afterwards anyway... So you can start over with flashing right away00:28
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GAN900DocScrutinizer, hit up the Packages interface.00:29
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: and it's causing nothing but trouble to talk users out of their borked system00:29
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DocScrutinizerGAN900: elaborate please00:30
GAN900Extras QA has a process in place for complaints.00:30
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DocScrutinizeraaah OK00:30
GAN900Easier to get the right eyes on it through there.00:30
GAN900The package instance page for it should have a comments section.00:30
GAN900And there may be a tracker you can file a bug under.00:31
DocScrutinizerduh, not going to file a bug for a prog I don't dare to touch ;-D00:32
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: see what you did ;)00:33
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piggzlo, does anyone know what im missing in my debian/ files to fix the following error im getting on the auto builder, but not locally00:34
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piggzdpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library needed by debian/pgz-latitude-widget/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/pgz-latitude-widget (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm'; RPATH: '').00:34
piggzlocally, that error is just a warning00:36
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Venemopiggz, does your control file have correct build dependencies?00:49
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MohammadAGin this case libqtm-dev00:51
MohammadAGalso it seems you're providing a binary to the builder00:51
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piggzVenemo: MohammadAG: yes, it was a dep, but i found that because it is in a non standard location (/opt/qtm...) you have to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the control file00:57
Venemopiggz, hm, interesting. I use only libqtm-sensors, but I didn't have such an issue00:57
piggzMohammadAG: sure?? the build just suceeded, and i used -sa -S00:57
piggzVenemo: yeah, i didnt have a problem with -sensors in space-invaders00:58
Venemopiggz, the trick for -sensors is that I needed to add it to build depends too, because libqtm-dev didn't bring it in00:59
piggzVenemo: i'll look at that trick tomorrow...gnight01:00
Venemopiggz, good night01:00
GAN900No Fear Shakespeare is the required edition. What is this world coming to.01:01
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BCMMi had a problem with the MyDocs filesystem, which seems to be fixed since doing a fsck on it01:11
BCMMhowever, tracker seems to be broken now01:11
BCMMi can't see any photos in the photos app, or any music in the media player01:12
BCMM(opening music or photos from the file manager works fine)01:12
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BCMMhow can i get tracker to forget everything and just redo its DB01:13
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MohammadAGtracker-processes -r01:15
SpeedEvilnuke file*01:16
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BCMMMohammadAG: is that a command to run, and is it an alternative or in addition to what SpeedEvil said?01:18
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BCMMMohammadAG: thanks, i read tracker-processes --help and did -r01:25
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BCMMwhat does tracker do apart from photos and music?01:31
lcuktracks things01:31
BCMMlcuk: i know, but which things?01:32
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BCMMi mean, if i tell it to monitor only my photos and music directory, will i notice?01:32
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BCMMi have a suspicion that tracker is part of why fcamera hangs up when shooting lots of photos in quick succession01:33
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SpeedEvilyou can tell it what dirs to watch01:37
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BCMMSpeedEvil: yes, i'm doing that01:39
BCMMjust wondering which features i could miss from limiting it01:39
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BCMMok, it appears to be building me a brand new tracker DB now01:42
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merlin1991khertan: ping02:21
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compengihow can i activate the phone lock on startup, as before or after it asks for the sim pin02:27
lolcatcompengi: I did that once,  in the menu02:27
compengilolcat, how02:29
compengiand btw, does anyone has issues with playing videos from when i click to play on any video, it tell me that it's currently not available. on iphone 4 the video plays though. and when i select a second video from that page at the botton, the browser freezes02:34
lolcatcompengi: Security? It is at the bottom of the settings menu. I don't have my N900 here so i can't know02:35
compengilolcat, well.. to activate that, i need to set a time interval to lock the phone. i don't want that. i want to have the phone locked when it starts02:37
SpeedEvilcompengi: I would wonder if it's a flash version issue.02:40
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compengiSpeedEvil, did you experience the same thing?02:42
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SpeedEvilI have never looked at - I use iplayer02:43
SpeedEvilwell - get_iplayer02:43
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DocScrutinizereither flash version, or even browser-id02:43
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DocScrutinizeror JS sh*t02:44
DocScrutinizerno, I don't even know topgear02:44
lolcatDocScrutinizer: You never heard of topgear?02:44
SpeedEvilTopgear is a remake of Desperate Housewives - loosely remade around cars.02:45
SpeedEvilcompengi: Oh. Where are you?02:46
lolcatSpeedEvil: Desperate Housewives started 2007, we've had topgear since '0102:46
nox-he was joking :)02:46
SpeedEvilcompengi: It's working 'fine' for me.02:47
SpeedEvilQuotes as it hits 7fps or so02:47
compengiDocScrutinizer, i never visited that website too, but we were in a voodafone shop today to check out some new phones out there, there was this samsung 2 core on android, it was sooo laggy on that website. htc on android was fine with it. so i was just curious how it works on maemo. the loading is pretty cool.. and it doesn't lag even when the site isn't fully loaded, but the flash and the freeze..02:48
compengiSpeedEvil, oh really?!02:48
SpeedEvilcompengi: Where ar eyou?02:48
compengiSpeedEvil, germany02:48
SpeedEvilIf you are outside the UK, it likely won't work.02:48
SpeedEvilDoes it work on your desktop?02:48
compengiSpeedEvil, but it does on iphone402:49
SpeedEvilOver the same net connection as the desktop?02:49
compengisame network02:49
SpeedEvilI've got no idea. I diddn't try playing all the videos, just the top on.02:50
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compengiSpeedEvil, try clicking on any video at the bottom02:50
compengidoes your browser freeze?02:51
SpeedEvilI've stuck the n900 on charge now - so I can't reach it.02:51
DocScrutinizerI just notice every time I try to open a hit of google search via context menu in "new window", I end with a second window showing google search result list rather than the linked site02:52
DocScrutinizerseems that's clearly some JS bug02:52
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compengiSpeedEvil, i get "the video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable. please come back soon."02:54
DocScrutinizeror even a bug in microb/hildon/dbus/whatever02:54
compengiSpeedEvil, are you using gssu update?02:55
SpeedEvilcompengi: no02:55
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compengiSpeedEvil, aha..02:55
compengii do02:55
DocScrutinizerwhat's gssu update?02:56
SpeedEvilI watched the 458 thingy at the top of the page02:56
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compengiSpeedEvil, pretty cool, right?02:57
compengiidk where is the second episode of it02:57
compengiit must be a race02:57
DocScrutinizerplays here, Germany, microb, cssu02:59
SpeedEvilI diddn't watch all of it, as I'm waiting on a video stream starting.02:59
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compengiDocScrutinizer, do you think it has something todo with the community update? because i'm feeling more like i have more issues rather than noticable fixes. and the virtual keyboard issue wasn't present before02:59
compengiDocScrutinizer, oh02:59
* GeneralAntilles chuckles.03:00
GeneralAntillesI found the 1st American edition Harry Potter #1 I've had since elementary school.03:00
compengiDocScrutinizer, then why it doesn't work here?03:01
DocScrutinizerdunno, bottom ones as well play here03:01
* SpeedEvil looks at his wand.03:01
compengivery weird03:02
compengii will try tomorrow at the university03:02
DocScrutinizerI'd prefer it would open in mediaplayer though03:02
compengiDocScrutinizer, cutetube is a nice application. high quality flash and really fast03:03
compenginot a 240p in original format :P03:03
DocScrutinizeraah yes, I see - friggin flash03:03
GeneralAntillesGoes for about $1500 in good shape, but mine's a little water damaged:
nox-too bad get_iplayer suffers from geoblocking (even tho i dont watch that particular show :)03:04
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compengiDocScrutinizer, can you imagine 2 core 1ghz per core and laggy on this website? i looked at my phone and felt better :P03:05
DocScrutinizersince flash11 I can't watch 60% of youtube on my pentium-dualcore 1.6GHz03:07
DocScrutinizerthat's when I started to hate flash, nah actually adobe03:08
nox-flash is fail in soo many ways...03:08
compengiDocScrutinizer, but on htc with same android version, it works very smoothly03:08
compengiDocScrutinizer, it was even laggy on the desktop03:09
DocScrutinizeror maybe it was when the 3rd month in a row I got a warning from about vulnerabilities in flash, and had to learn this doesn't bother Nokia nor adobe, for the N90003:10
nox-yeah `security' is the other big fail03:11
nox-of flash03:11
nox-there was a jawdropping chaos congress talk about that...03:11
DocScrutinizeryeah, seen that03:12
DocScrutinizerflash, the hidden OS03:12
DocScrutinizeror was it pdf?03:12
nox-yeah and with ugly old code kept for backwards-compatibility03:12
nox-pdf is similar i guess now03:13
nox-(that was a later talk)03:13
nox-and excel sheets can embed flash too, the madness never ends...03:14
nox-(and the exploits :)03:14
DocScrutinizerhail apple for banning flash from iphone03:14
DocScrutinizerseems I said that 2 days ago, when someone called me mad03:14
nox-yeah thats one of the few good things about apple03:14
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nox-this was the flash talk:
DocScrutinizerlook at this: seems video without flash can be done03:18
DocScrutinizerworks nicely on my N90003:19
DocScrutinizereven via 3G03:19
DocScrutinizerin mediaplayer03:19
nox-looks like embedded mediaplayer plugin03:20
nox-i.e. what ppl did before flash video became popular03:20
nox-(and i had to drop the last - from your link)03:21
DocScrutinizerc&p error03:21
nox-yeah same one03:22
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DocScrutinizerwhat puzzles me is it doesn't work for settings h26403:27
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DocScrutinizerwell, on my laptop it doesn't play at all, as does your link above. Video is borked on this laptop03:36
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fusi[n900]oc'd @ 1ghz - stable in every way apart from transferring large files from sd to mydocs :(03:40
DocScrutinizerso what?03:41
fusi[n900]even just setting to lv with no speed increase causes reboots :(03:41
DocScrutinizerrunning my incandescent bulbs @ 300V. Totally stable, except for heat03:42
fusi[n900]weird that its only cpying files fails03:42
fusi[n900]thts all03:42
DocScrutinizerwait a short while, other permanent irreversible fails will follow soon03:43
infobotoc is probably an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s03:44
infobot"OK, listen up.  This is your CPU."  apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan.  "This is your CPU on overclocking.  Any questions?"03:44
infobothmm... omap-oc is  read that!, or and this
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fusi[n900]hehe ok03:53
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fusi[n900]point understood03:53
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fusi[n900]understood doc03:54
DocScrutinizerand haha, got banned on some channels03:54
fusi[n900]im thinking the kwiki should be updated03:56
fusi[n900]if it rly is that bad03:56
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cehtehbtw i got my bicycle dynamo recharge thing today ... of course i had to solder a micro usb cable since there was no adapter with it04:12
cehtehbut after that it works really nicely04:12
SpeedEvilIt is a regulated 5V out?04:12
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* SpeedEvil has been pondering getting a rather larger battery for his bike.04:15
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SpeedEvil(10Ah, 48V)04:15
cehtehwith a dynamo hub i dont really need a big battery, its just for buffering04:16
SpeedEvilMaybe not quite that large.04:17
SpeedEvilAbove would run the n900 for most of a year. :)04:18
cehtehyes and its fun to carry along :P04:18
cehtehbesides you certainly forget to recharge after 350 days ... :P04:19
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SpeedEvilThe idea would be more that it carries me along. :)04:20
cehtehmhm this small nokia charger adapter which came with the n900 .. has really some second use as heating and pizza oven :P04:20
cehtehthats not biking anymore :P04:21
SpeedEvilIt is reportedly quite warm04:21
cehtehi just testing it04:21
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SpeedEvilUnfortunately health means that it's problematic to bike normally.04:21
SpeedEvilI get tired way too easily.04:21
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pauly_hi i have n900 anyone want to buy it05:39
pauly_broken usb port05:40
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pauly_i in usa05:40
lolcatI am getting a refund for mine because of that05:40
pauly_lolcat do u like android05:40
lolcatIt is shit05:41
lolcatIf I want a tablet/gaming-device, I'll buy one05:41
lolcatI want my phone to handle communication well05:41
lolcatThe N900 does that05:41
pauly_idk im thinking of galaxy s 205:41
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lolcatI am stuck with a HTC Desire now05:42
lolcatIt is BOOORING :P05:42
lolcatAnd it sucks for texting/chatting05:42
pauly_i like n900 but the microB is slow compared to webkit05:42
pauly_idk what to do05:42
lolcatTried firefox?05:42
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pauly_no real twitter app05:43
lolcatAnd yeah, surfing is faster on a new phone with 1ghz cpu, and shitloads of ram05:43
pauly_the galaxy s II is dual core arm05:43
pauly_1080p video recording05:44
pauly_but android is werid you cant close an app05:44
lolcat1080p video recordin sux with a that small lence unless it is really good ligth05:45
lolcatAnd you don't have windows in the same sence05:45
pauly_idl im stuck inbetwwen i found a my touch 3g htc android phone05:46
pauly_for free05:46
pauly_and like andoird05:46
xd13i love n900 but its getting old quick05:47
xd13i hope nokia pulls through makes an n950 running meego05:47
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xd13i'm even considering leaving a hardware keyboard for a faster phone now05:48
pauly_idk i installed meego on aspire one and it seems boring05:48
lolcatI'd rather have Maemo than Meego05:48
xd13anyone know if you can put a super clean rom on the android phones05:48
xd13ya i'm lovin maemo on n90005:48
lolcatI think I migth go with three phones xD05:48
pauly_anyone know of an usa carrier with unlimited web05:49
lolcatN900, N97 mini, and a fast android phone05:49
xd13i'm on unlimited web on tmobile05:49
pauly_dont they cap u05:49
lolcatLike you can dowload a TB on your phone?05:49
pauly_im on tmobile05:49
xd13i pay 60/month05:49
xd13i've never gotten capped05:50
xd13maybe there is one but when i log onto my acct online it says unlimited05:50
pauly_they say 2gbs and after that it goes to EDGE05:50
xd13i'm not goign 2 purposely start download something just to give it a test05:50
pauly_so im like wtf and they want $30 for 5gbs05:50
xd13because all the companies are getting super greedy05:51
xd13no one is using their minutes anymore05:51
pauly_im in baltimore and glaxy s hspa+ got 15 mbps down05:51
xd13they already profit so much from txting because it costs them nothing05:51
xd13and all the companies want to end net neutrality and control it05:52
pauly_i think n900 is 10 down05:52
pauly_i want to switch but im scared05:53
pauly_maybe if theres nice webkit browser for maemo and real twitter app05:54
pauly_i would stay05:54
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pauly_anyone want to buy my n900 with broken usb port05:55
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Paulynoone want to buy n900 with broken usb06:03
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doc|homePauly: how would a person charge it?06:06
doc|homexd13: telecomms regulation NEVER ends as they say it will. It ends with less competition, not more.06:06
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cehtehPauly: for how much?06:07
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Paulyspare battery charger06:15
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Paulycehteh: 250 usd06:16
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Termanagood morning08:08
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krayonPauly: Doubtful.  I bought a fully working one for ~ $20008:12
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macmaNwhats up guys, does maemo log interface status changes somewhere? i.e. when 3G connections were made10:46
macmaNor wifi10:46
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chem|stmacmaN: had a lock in dmesg?10:58
infobotchem|st meant: macmaN: had a look in dmesg?10:58
* chem|st had no coffee yet10:59
macmaNdmesg doesnt help in this case, i could use persistence, since i need to find out about something from like 3 weeks ago10:59
macmaNim seeing autodisconnect is putting its log in /var/log10:59
macmaNbut for some reason the author has decided that putting date information in timestamps is too much space hogging :/10:59
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chem|stlogrotate is usualy 7 days if not speciefied any different (some do 30 by default), so you must be lucky if +8 days ago11:00
macmaNbut i guess i could write my own little echo script in /etc/network/if-up.d right11:00
macmaNmaemo has logrotate?11:00
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chem|stmaemo ehrm guess not by default but some stuff is just debian like11:01
macmaNmy impression has been it doesnt mostly log anything at all11:01
chem|stmacmaN: that is the strapdown to save space, there is no man either11:01
chem|stlogging is turned of by default, thought you turned that on11:02
chem|ststuff like syslog needs extra love11:02
chem|stat least last time I checked11:02
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macmaNyep i am aware of syslog, i figured *maybe* there's something low-traffic .log for stuff like if-up/down11:15
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macmaNregardless of syslog11:15
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macmaNmy dumb ass network operator claims i had some 20MB session of traffic at some insane tariff11:16
macmaNi have no files on the phone with that date, so it wasnt anything i downloaded11:16
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macmaNi am not tethering, so it wasnt the computers11:17
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Sicelo_afaik they rarely go wrong macmaN (not wanting to be a downer)11:18
Sicelo_10:17 < macmaN> i have no files on the phone with that date11:19
Sicelo_what do u meanhere?11:19
edheldilmacmaN:  what about watching a video :)))11:19
macmaNtwo vectors are likely11:19
Sicelo_/s/meanhere/mean here/11:20
macmaNand the dumbass package management11:20
macmaNi dont watch internet video on the phone. at all.11:20
macmaNover cellular that is11:20
edheldildon't fret, when I connect to mobile data, I often immediately get message that I have exhausted my data limit :/11:21
Sicelo_s/meanhere/mean here/11:21
infobotSicelo_ meant: /s/mean here/mean here/11:21
edheldilmacmaN:  what about email sync?11:21
macmaNedheldil: no email configured on the phone11:22
macmaNedheldil: even then, email wouldnt be accessible over cellular without vpn11:22
macmaNedheldil: you get an sms for such alerts?11:22
macmaNi just recently installed dataplan monitor widget11:22
macmaNits readings seem to correspond to what operator logs are for this month, unfortunately i just installed it recently11:23
edheldilmy mobile provider sends it, it says that my data rate will be limited (and it sucks afterwards, that's true)11:23
edheldil(it sucks before that, too, to be sure :))11:24
macmaNright, thats why i am so pissed off at mine. there are no tools to totally disable the insane-rate data nor are there any alerts.11:24
Sicelo_macmaN: there's a whole range of other things that can use lots of data. another thing, is the device always with you, or someone else could have used it?11:25
macmaNwith the devices nowadays that can god knows what should you just leave the touchscreen lock open or something in the pocket, that is just stoneage quality service11:25
edheldilprobably that's their punishment for me downgrading from unlimited data tariff11:25
macmaNSicelo_: only me, 100%11:25
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macmaNSicelo_: primary issue is how was the connection created? i have "always ask" for all connections, which seems like open touchscreen problem11:26
chem|stmacmaN: 20MB session sounds like ham autoupdate with some like 5 repos active11:26
macmaNchem|st: yep that i agree, i just checked, fapman reported 14MB downloaded for last update11:27
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macmaNi have since turned HAM completely off, i.e. disabled the repos and only use fapman manually11:28
chem|stjust extras (+devel+testing) + nokia should be something like 16-20MB11:28
macmaNi think the update system of automatically downloading full repo data is just plain stupid in today's cellular data world11:28
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chem|stfor updates yes11:29
chem|stAND there should be a button to turnoff those updates on celldata at all11:30
macmaNand its not exactly difficult to differentiate between wlan and ppp, so i dont get why it is not a preference11:30
fluxdoesn't debian and ubuntu both support sending increments, but apparently maemo doesn't?11:30
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chem|stflux: maemo is like "etch" or something11:30
chem|stmy desktops recieve diffs11:31
chem|styou send the date of last check and recieve all diffs from then on11:32
macmaNis there a discussion diffs on tmo11:33
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer, ping11:50
crashanddieMohammadAG, ping11:52
chem|stmacmaN: new post since last time you read a thread11:53
chem|stcrashanddie: just talk11:53
macmaNchem|st: uh, wdym?11:53
crashanddiemaybe what I need to ask isn't #maemo worthy?11:53
chem|stmacmaN: diff on tmo11:54
chem|st"I'm not worthy!"11:54
macmaNi'm noticing going past that big 3-0 age is definitely hampering the ability to not skip words while typing11:54
chem|stcrashanddie: you'll never find out by not asking11:54
macmaNor maybe i just thought slower in the 20ies11:55
chem|steach "link" within a thread description (just the headers) has its functionality11:56
crashanddiechem|st, how about if I talk about it publicly, it might ruin the whole thing? :p11:56
chem|stso clicking the number will bring you to another post than clicking the thread title11:57
chem|stcrashanddie: damn, but I'm so curious11:57
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macmaNchem|st: my question actually was meant to be "is there a discussion on update diffs somewhere on tmo"12:07
chem|stah ok12:07
chem|sthave no idea but pls feel free to start one12:08
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, pong12:11
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merlin1991X-Fade: ping12:20
merlin1991khertan: ping12:20
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* RST38h moos evilly12:48
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RST38hMhm...photoshoppers "designing meego device" on tmo again.12:53
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* SpeedEvil sighs.12:55
SpeedEvilThese are the sort of people that design flying cars, while oimitting the propellors/jets.12:55
Hukkaimport antigravity is such a wonderful thing12:58
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VoltageXhi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents12:59
VoltageXWhat did I do wrong?12:59
ruskieRST38h, where?13:00
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chem|stRST38h: and it looks bad too13:08
chem|struskie: there13:09
* ruskie tries to resist throwing up at that first pic...13:10
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ruskiehmm so two designs in the entire thread... fun..13:11
ruskiethe second one actually looks epic... but I would never use it because it just seems to fidly...13:11
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* SpeedEvil wishes he had funding to try stuff.13:12
SpeedEvilThough first I'd try to make my hoverboard.13:12
ruskiehoverboards epicness!!!13:12
SpeedEvil30Kg of lithium-ion 40C cells, 20Kg of ducted fans, and a platrform to stand on.13:13
SpeedEvilNot for the faint-hearted/sane.13:13
ruskieyup... that would be nice13:13
ruskiethough wouldn't li-po be a tad safer idea?13:13
SpeedEvilAs it can accellerate at 2G upwards in emergency thrust, and hit 4Km.13:13
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SpeedEvilI think safer is a somewhat tricky concept when you're talking abouit a device that can smack you into the ground at 200mph if it goes wrong.13:14
ruskieyou need to add some logic in there to keep it safe13:15
SpeedEvilSure. Logic is a bit tricky - as first you need to work out where the ground is, in order to avoid it.13:15
ruskiedon't aircraft already have some thingamagicky that does that???13:16
SpeedEvilThis at best means horribly complex maths.13:16
SpeedEvilYes, that are heavy, and expensive.13:17
SpeedEvilYou can do it in several grams nowadays - but the maths are nasty13:17
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ruskie <-- something like this?13:20
SpeedEvilyes. That sort of system in a normal aircraft will weight 1-10Kg, and cost more than your house.13:21
ruskieaccording to info can be as cheap as $15k13:21
ruskieas for speed and height and saftey just limit what it can do...13:21
SpeedEvilI was implying you live in a trailer.13:21
SpeedEvil(not really)13:21
SpeedEvilYou basically can't do that.13:22
SpeedEvilUnless you limit the height to under 50cm or so, where you can detect the ground by direct methods.13:22
SpeedEvilDetermining orientation is quite possible - look at openpilot, or google kalman filter.13:22
robbiethe1stCouldn't you bounce a lazer or radar signal off the ground?13:23
SpeedEvilIt's just a bit annoying.13:23
SpeedEvilYes. First you need to work out where the ground is, to point the laser at.13:23
robbiethe1stAnd... for orientation, you've got a simple 3-axis accelerometer13:23
robbiethe1stOught to be able to handle it13:23
SpeedEvilrobbiethe1st: Consider what happens if you have a 3 axis accellerometer, and an engine which can accellerate you at 2G upwards.13:23
SpeedEvilOr indeed downwards.13:23
ruskiefrankly I'd basically want something I could put a helmet with AR and ability to pick a destination then let it fly me there...13:24
SpeedEvilThink 'air-segway'13:24
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robbiethe1stSpeedEvil: Well, can't you tell how much power the engine's putting out?13:24
SpeedEvilrobbiethe1st: that doesn't tell you about drag13:24
robbiethe1stSome calibration, and you could probably make a pretty good guess?13:24
ruskie <-- erm...13:24
SpeedEvilAnyway - kalman filter with sensors will tell you your position.13:25
SpeedEviland orientation - with GPS too13:25
robbiethe1stI wouldn't rely on GPS for much of anything <_< Seeing how poorly it works in the N90013:25
SpeedEvilYou use GPS for more navigation purpoises.13:26
SpeedEvilThe safety stuff is from onboard sensors.13:26
robbiethe1stJust so long as if it goes out, nothing bad happens13:26
ruskieshould be able to use dead reckoning when GPS goes out shouldn't it?13:26
SpeedEvilYou're not - in this case - using the GPS for navigation as suck.13:27
SpeedEvilIt's more a position reference to desaturate your velocity estimates.13:27
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chem|stwhat does MoNav routing daemon do in extras unhidden?13:31
chem|stah got a cli13:32
chem|stwasn't it decided that cli stuff remains on cli?13:32
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: wazzup13:55
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ZogGDocScrutinizer, i maybe getting back N900 this week14:04
ZogGare you have for me14:04
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DocScrutinizerlo chem|st - I'd tend to agree14:13
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VoltageXWhat did I do wrong?14:43
VoltageXhi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents14:43
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DocScrutinizerHAHAHA skype == M$ now15:14
edheldilis it already?15:15
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SpeedEvilNot yet.15:16
SpeedEvilWanna bet clients for platforms other than wp7 in mobile space get deprioritised a bit?15:17
HukkaI'm wondering if they will even pull them15:17
jacekowskiit's the end of the world15:17
jacekowskiand everything15:17
jacekowskistargate is no more15:17
ccookejacekowski: you mean they laid its shambling corpse to rest, finally?15:18
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jacekowskii mean they finished SGU with ugly cliffhanger15:19
jacekowskiinstead of doing it properly with 5 seasons as planned15:19
BCMMSpeedEvil: my thought exactly...15:20
BCMMhopefully, this will kill skype, which would be a good thing15:20
BCMMthere's more than one open technology that would be far superior if it gained critical mass15:20
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merlin1991BCMM: gimme names of the superior techs, I want to get rid of skype :P15:21
BCMMmerlin1991: SIP, Jabber15:21
BCMMok, so there's probably pros and cons15:22
merlin1991I'm still searching for a useable jabber client for win15:22
BCMMmerlin1991: doesn't google make one?15:22
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chem|stmerlin1991: back in the days I used miranda15:34
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chem|stBCMM: if properly implemented jabber serves all your needs15:37
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chem|stBCMM: but one thing and that might be desktop sharing (skype shares display only)15:39
BCMMdidn't know skype did that15:39
BCMMit only does it on windows15:40
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BCMMi presume15:40
BCMMmac too?15:40
chem|stI dont care about mac15:40
chem|stwho cares about mac15:40
BCMMwell, pretty sure the linux version doesn't do desktop sharing15:40
chem|stdon't remember I am the one on the other side15:41
chem|stif there will be libskype is an interesting question that pops up the same time15:42
chem|stBCMM: since 2011/01/22 there should be "desktop-sharing" for linux, would call it display sharing but $user wouldn't understand15:43
chem|stsince 2.1beta2 for linux15:44
BCMMthis sort of thing would be so, so easy without NAT15:44
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edheldilchem|st:  works-through-nat is about the main Skype selling point15:46
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mgedminI would simplify that even more "works is about the main Skype selling point"15:52
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ShadowJKAnd before the others have that selling point too, it doesn't matter how much features they bolt on :)15:53
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RST38hDo you guys really believe that Skype will continue working once Microsoft applies its engineering expertise?15:56
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nid0Do you really believe that it won't?15:56
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RST38hI woould give 70% probability that it won't15:57
chxI think Skype won't die15:57
RST38hNo, it will not die either15:57
chxbut i would be shocked to see another Skype for Linux client15:57
Robot101it would be a waste of their investment if they killed it15:57
Robot101also, really unlikely :P15:57
RST38hNot "killed". Made it a vehicle for expanding their business offerings into the new markets!15:58
Robot101Skype's value is in the network, that's the biggest thing they'd avoid killing15:58
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chx8.5 billion? How on earth would Skype worth 8.5b? Microsoft is mad.15:58
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DocScrutinizerskype is a big trojan/virus/rootkit, like is windows15:58
RST38hBTW, how many active users does Skype have?15:58
SpeedEvilSupply and demand.15:59
SpeedEvilCan you get - say - 850m/year of revenue out now - no.15:59
chxRST38h: my skype client reports 26m users online right now15:59
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nid0theres a difference between the company's own value and the company's added value to another business.15:59
chxRST38h: let's say they have 100m active users?15:59
SpeedEvilIs it possible that you can use skype to drive that amount of revenue to your buisness - debatable.15:59
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nid0skype isnt worth 8.5 bill, but skype services added to everything ms provides, hell yes15:59
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RST38hOk. 100m active users ==> $85/user16:00
RST38h+ if they lock Skype users to Windows, that will be pretty helpful for their platform16:01
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nid0did you even read the release on the takeover?16:02
RST38hno, should I?16:02
nid0the bit where it says skype will continue fully as-is with clients for many platforms, and that theyre just adding a new team for more MS related stuff?16:02
SpeedEvilIf they can somehow manage to convert a small percentage of those to WP7 customers too - that enables them to boost the size iof the WP7 platform, which makes it not quite so tiny, and more likley to survive in the market.16:02
RST38hnid0: this is just PR veneer16:03
RST38hnid0: should wait for a few months before the real picture comes into focus16:03
nid0no, its also obvious and common sense.16:03
RST38hcommon sense != business sense, sorry16:03
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DocScrutinizerI definitely won't install any M$ trojan on my linux systems16:06
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DocScrutinizerM$ is a friggin genius when it comes to rogue sneaky ways to convince you that your platform sucks16:07
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chxnid0: where did you read that? I am trying to find it16:08
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chem|stM$ just confirmed16:48
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chem|stah ok I am late again...16:50
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chem|stanother guy using the "report this" button on tmo to send a msg to someone^^16:56
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LantiziaLo, anyone got an extended battery for their n900?  i've only seen the mugen one so far - looks fugly17:11
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fluxlantizia, sure, I have mugen. lets me charge the device only at nights.17:20
fluxfunctionality over aesthetics.17:21
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OkropNickI have Choiix Power Bank, it's good, no need to be cnnected all the time17:22
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Lantiziaflux, the photos of the mugen on their site show some kind of switch on the back - but the video doesn;t... what does yours have?17:26
fluxlantizia, I have the switch17:27
fluxlantizia, the first version lacked a switch for opening the camera17:27
fluxand the device thought the lens was always open17:27
fluxthat was bad.17:27
fluxit also thought that the battery door was always open, so mmc didn't work either.17:27
edheldilSpeedEvil:  another and rather more depressing possibility is that they bought Skype to get more patents to bash their competition with17:27
fluxbut they sent two new backdoors to everybody who has ordered the first version.17:28
flux(new = with the switch)17:28
edheldilare you buying backdoors and trojans??? :)17:29
ShadowJKmugen = 2400 mAh battery17:30
fluxit's an annoying trend that recent nokia phones have integrated the battery inside17:31
cehtehoh ... good bye skype ...17:31
fluxno more room for bigger batteries17:31
fluxwell, unless you glue them to the back side or something17:31
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cehtehtime to setup my own sip server17:31
Lantiziamy sip server (asterisk) has a skype trunk (made between skype and digium) i expect MS will ditch that product17:32
Lantizianot to mention the linux skype client and skype on any phone other than windows phone17:32
fluxdo current voip-solutions work without issues through typical nat-gateways or firewalls? (assuming the server has no routing issues)17:33
cehtehflux: there are a lot well known tricks to penetrate firewalls for voip17:34
fluxcehteh, tricks that you need to set up on your systems etc..17:34
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fluxmy trick would be to use openvpn.17:34
cehtehbut its certainly easier when your firewall is voip aware17:35
chem|stflux: so you vpn to all your friends for voip... that's the best idea ever!17:40
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fluxchem|st, obviously it works only for giving a connection for myself for my voip server17:41
fluxothers can find their own solutions for connecting to its internet-facing interface :)17:41
chem|stflux: my current setup at home works for setup firewall and without, my phone got no firewall setup but my SIP-phone has, also my laptop got no special setup in the firewall but my desktop has, everything is working fine17:42
chem|ston all 4 devices17:42
chem|stthe only thing is that my router is aware of voip packages and gives them a higher priority you can torrent something at full bandwidth in both directions and still -  calls go through17:44
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DocScrutinizerjust check your NAT for
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DocScrutinizertraffic shaping / ToS-management of course is a nice-to-have on routers17:59
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DocScrutinizerhowever note there's just so much you can do via tricky management, to avoid congestion on downstream18:02
chem|stin my case must have... SIPvoip is my primary landline18:02
DocScrutinizerbeen mine for years as well, with twinkle :-D18:02
chem|stbought a gigasetIP someday but yes used twinkle first18:03
DocScrutinizerso you know my work then :-D18:03
dangergrrlsip is my alternate cell line18:03
dangergrrli have a plan with tmobile for 'unlimited' data but with rate clamping after 5gb and only 500 voice minutes a month18:04
chem|stthe actual clue with n900 is that my home number rings in where ever I get wifi...18:04
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dangergrrlthe sip and skype integration is nice18:05
chem|st300MB and 100minutes^^18:05
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chem|stskype just died lately, phone went lesser responsive and before I recognized the battery was drained while idle on my desk18:06
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chem|stthink telepathy was shoot by skype so the whole phone was going mad18:08
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dangergrrllast time i tried skype it failed for hours18:15
dangergrrlshould have switched to wifi18:15
dangergrrli get crap 3G signal at home18:15
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dangergrrlpandora streams all over central texas and drops at home18:15
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sivanghi all18:33
sivanghas anyone managed to use N8 with joikuspot as a WiFi router?18:33
sivangit seems the poor arm11 is not up to the task18:33
sivangI know this is offtopic, but where else would I ask? :)18:33
sivanghmm, Mohammad is not here today18:33
Damnshocknokia support maybe?18:34
Damnshockis there any symbian channel?18:34
sivangnokia support are mostly clueless18:34
sivangI'll try18:34
viszi tried the free version of joikuspot with my e718:35
sivangvisz: and?18:35
viszit allowed http to ovi store and icmp ping18:35
sivangvisz: I'm trying to figure if Orange in Israel who are undoubtfuly a bad bad carrier or the device itself.18:35
viszcan't really say anything else about it =D18:35
sivangvisz: hmm18:35
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sivangvisz: I see, were you able to download a meego image using it, pinetrail for example?18:36
viszoh, you misunderstand18:36
viszit was crippled18:36
sivangI bought the 10EU version18:36
sivangand it still seems like something is crippling it18:36
viszi'm pondering if it's worth it18:37
sivangnot on any other device than N90018:37
sivangthe N900 allows speedier net access with Joiku than my home ADSL18:37
sivangbut it may be due to the fact that Israeli operators are third world in quality18:38
sivangI can't access twitter even18:38
viszn900 has free hotspot app though18:38
sivangit does?18:38
sivangprobably did not exist when I got it18:38
DocScrutinizeryoghurt sport is useless for N900. There are free better designed alternatives for all I know18:38
sivangDocScrutinizer: I don't care, I bought Joiku there as well and was amazed with the performance18:39
sivangI am a great follower of Joiku18:39
sivangso time to reflash, put the N900 back to operative state and walk around with a proper phone tablet.18:39
DocScrutinizerwell, for linux yoghurt is crap. Eats battery like mad, as they had obviously no clue about linux OS basics18:40
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sivangI do believe the weak arm11's are the issue here as I experienced it both with E7 and N818:40
ruskieactually shoddy coding is more likely18:40
ruskielike with most apps now-a-days sadly18:40
sivangI will reapeat - N900 is the single best phone Nokia has ever released.18:40
sivangfor the busy professional on the go :)18:41
DocScrutinizerit's like porting a windows bash emulation to run on linux under wine18:41
sivangruskie: :)18:41
sivangDocScrutinizer: taking Joiku to S3 you mean?18:41
* chem|st bows down and cries "I'm not worthy!"18:41
sivangchem|st: :)18:41
DocScrutinizertaking joiku to maemo18:41
sivangbut only there is does perform18:42
chem|stbest idea ever! just like going M$18:42
sivangit started with Symbian I take it then?18:42
chem|stor buy an iphone...18:42
sivangDocScrutinizer: if I deduce right from you last sentence18:42
DocScrutinizerafaik yes18:42
sivangso it starts forwarding and then stops18:42
sivangand the gauges drop to 018:42
sivangjoikuspot on S3, that is premium18:43
sivangokay guys18:44
sivangsorry for the bashing18:44
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sivangit is my DAMN I WISH IT BANKRUPTED already operator18:44
chem|stif you know how to connect to wifi and cell at the same time I would make up some routing18:44
sivangOrange Israel, don't leave home with it.18:45
sivangthet block twitter and facebook18:45
sivangand do terrible QoS18:45
sivangI am able to download the meego pinetrail image at 220kbs18:45
chem|stehrm thats not the provider that is israel...18:45
sivangchem|st: true, true18:46
sivangcoverage is probably poor for 3G18:46
sivangbut people with Pelephone subscription showed me blazing fast HD video in real time on their iPhone18:46
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sivangor perhaps the N900 antenna is stronger18:46
chem|stat home I can drain my device flat within hours just by logging in to the 3G network base... no need to even start an internet connection...18:47
sivangbecause N900 did not have a problem to operate indoors18:47
sivangchem|st: did they tell you N8 is not supported by them?18:47
sivangthey told me that because my N8 was sent to be by Nokia from out of the country, they can't help me with network access18:48
sivangnow how does that sound?>18:48
chem|stwhat support should a provider give to any phone but iphone-visual-combox or blackberry servers18:48
sivangchem|st: you sarcastic right?18:48
chem|stthere is nothing to support18:48
sivangmay I ask what's your business in this channel?18:48
ruskiedon't really need any support from the provider other than giving me access and making sure things run...18:49
chem|steither your phone can or cannot do UMTS on that band18:49
sivangchem|st: UMTS == dual?18:49
sivangcan't you just put it in 3G fixed18:49
chem|stno dual means drop back to gsm if umts is not available18:49
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sivangumts == 3G?18:49
chem|st3G in this case then18:49
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sivangumts is like HSPDA ?18:50
sivangbrr I',m confused18:50
sivangthey managed to confuse me18:50
sivangthey told me to never put myh device to other setting than 3G18:50
ruskie3g - collection of technologies that your phone uses to do stuff with18:50
sivangperhaps there lays the issue ?18:50
ruskieiirc hspda, umts etc... are part of it18:51
chem|stehrm my business... nothing but helping people either by answeres or suggestions...18:51
chem|stI'm a mod from tmo though18:51
sivangruskie: okay, so when I deprive my phone off UMTS, it willnever be able to give me 2.8mbps throughput ?18:51
sivangchem|st: oh, pleased to meet you!18:51
sivangchem|st: and you live in the same swamp I do? :)18:51
chem|stthen do it... turn it to 3G only...18:51
sivangdoes not work18:52
sivangI have to put it to 'Dual' to be abe to have any net acces at all at times18:52
chem|stwhat does not work? the phone doesnt go to that state or the net doesnt work?18:52
sivangit is now on Dual18:52
chem|sttry with gsm18:52
sivangthis works all the time18:53
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sivangbut slower than RemoteAccess used to come up on my 2400kbps modem 15 years ag18:53
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chem|stand they told you to go 100% alltime ever 3G... nice18:53
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sivangchem|st: yes, while I have been able to achieve the best speeds only when usin Dual18:53
sivangdoes this make sense?18:53
chem|stthe login credentials are usualy the same as for gsm/edge-gprs18:54
chem|stno that makes no sense as 3G is another network you login to18:54
sivangwhy do we care about the login credentials?18:55
sivanguinterent and that's it no?18:55
sivangsitting at the topmost point of the building, windows open18:55
chem|stare you able to cell-call with 3G set18:55
sivangDual mode. and the download never drops below 220kB/s18:55
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sivangchem|st: lost of hangsups and hickups, but yes18:55
chem|stok 220kB is about edge isn't it? 320kB/s.... hang on I check that18:56
sivangchem|st: thank you for your help btw, I'm pretty much clueless about the MA layer in GSM18:56
sivangchem|st: need to get that book and read about it18:56
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chem|st270kBaud.... so no that would be about 33kB/s18:58
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chem|stpossible are 100kB/s18:59
chem|stbut they use only 100-200kb/s19:00
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ShadowJKIt'd show "2.5" if you're on edge19:00
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sivangit shows 3.519:00
chem|stsivang: the 220 is bit not Byte19:00
ShadowJKedge max speed is about 220 kbit/s19:01
ShadowJKWell.. common19:01
ShadowJK3.5g is hsdpa :)19:01
chem|st3.5 is hdspa19:01
sivangk, great19:01
chem|styeah skip the d19:01
sivangI go from 1.1mbps to 2.5mbps now19:01
ShadowJKor hspa, if the operator supports hsupa :P19:01
sivangDocScrutinizer: :)19:01
sivangorange's proxy is blocking twitter19:02
sivangwhen accessing the non m. host19:02
chem|stnothing to worry I guess, the drops are because of the weak network19:02
sivangchem|st: yes, but it only wnet back to working after I put it in DUal19:03
sivangare they allowed to do that?19:03
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chem|stlol they are nice to you... gov requested blocking of all www.twitter and they just did that19:03
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, sometimes I wonder if joikuspot maemo was designed with that kernel module specifically to avoid having to replace the device kernel :-)19:03
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sivangchem|st: you live here as well? :)19:04
sivangchem|st: did gove asked they do this for facebook?19:04
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chem|stdon't know but many countries around try to restrict the internet and as israel is doing a good job in doing everything like germany 70 years ago I guess they like the vessel!19:06
chem|stbut I stop here as this is no place for politics19:07
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chem|stat least non of that kind....19:07
chem|stI am off then, good night!19:08
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sivangchem|st: night19:09
sivangchem|st: thanks for your help19:09
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GAN900chem|st, and amazingly people keep voting for more government!19:33
* wmarone__ follows Google's spew19:35
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RST38hGAN: What a resourceful guy!19:37
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RST38h"They have to love animals, of course, but just as important is that they don't love Jesus."19:38
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unixSnobi'm looking for a service like google voice click-to-call.. is there anything comparable?19:48
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sivangso microsoft has acquired skype?20:01
sivangtime to move to open standard VoIP through sipgate20:01
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sivangas probably the Maemo client and symbian client will now dissolve20:02
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sivangold news?20:03
andre__I don't see how Skype gets worse by moving its ownership from a weird company to another one.20:03
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Damnshocksivang: the time to move to an open standard was long ago20:07
GAN900More actively hostile ownership?20:07
Damnshockthat is, from the begining20:08
RST38hSkype is a weird company by itself20:08
Damnshockwe should have never, ever, used skype20:08
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Damnshockfrom a sysadmin point of view is a terrible pain in the youknowwhat20:08
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jacekowskiDamnshock: open standard like what?20:13
jacekowskiDamnshock: is there any other voip standard that works20:13
Damnshockjacekowski: jingle for example20:13
Damnshockvoip standard that works?20:14
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jacekowskiDamnshock: and has no need for centralised infrastructire20:14
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Damnshockjacekowski: jingle20:14
jacekowskisip doesn't work20:14
Damnshockover xmpp20:14
jacekowskibut there are 2 incompatible versions of jingle20:15
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Damnshockjacekowski: that's not exactlly true20:18
jacekowskiit is20:18
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luke-jrjacekowski: there are 2 incompatible Jingles, but both can be supported by the same client21:17
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DocScrutinizereh? since when does SIP need a centralized infra?21:27
DocScrutinizerone of the giant misconceptions about SIP21:28
DocScrutinizeractually nowadays most SIP UAs have lost their general abilities and are tailored to work for the basically rather niche case of a central SIP provider21:29
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DocScrutinizerwith a proper ful featured SIP client you can do direct IP-to-IP SIP21:29
jacekowskiwhich doesn't work as reliably as skype21:30
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DocScrutinizerand i'm frequently lame of laughing when I witness dudes installing asterisk on their phone/PC/whatever just to implement teir 2 trunks network21:31
DocScrutinizereven just for accessing their 'regular' commercail sip provider via softphone ;-P21:31
DocScrutinizerlike asterisk-N900 - MUHAHAHA21:32
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: s/work/suck/21:35
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dm8tbrDocScrutinizer: ip2ip sip was a non-starter as it was _designed_ to break on NAT21:46
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DocScrutinizerdm8tbr: sure, my NAT/router/FW is designed to break services like SIP - unless of course I bother to config it correctly21:49
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DocScrutinizerwhile skype is designed to cheat and sneak behind the usual average NAT/FW admin - but believe me nowadays even skype got no chance anymore21:50
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DocScrutinizerthere are well documented (while still horribly annoying) ways to make skype fail if your LAN policy is to forbid skype21:51
dm8tbrnow that it's MS they'll just integrate it with OCS and break it along the way21:51
dm8tbryeah I remember there was at some point a quite straight forward way by blocking just a few destination ports21:52
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ruskieDocScrutinizer, SIP is dead easy to break sadly21:52
DocScrutinizerto *break*?21:53
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DocScrutinizerbrake like what?21:53
DocScrutinizermake it fail? sure21:53
ruskiewell that for me is break21:53
DocScrutinizertap it? not with ZRTP21:53
ruskieas in not working21:53
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DocScrutinizeruse a cracked account? hardly21:53
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dm8tbrsure  block port 5060 udp and bang most clients fail21:54
ruskiehell the rtp mess is enough to fail it all...21:54
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DocScrutinizerwwhat's mess in RTP?21:54
dm8tbrbreaks easily on NAT, see SIP in general21:55
DocScrutinizerRTP is unrelated to NAT21:55
ruskiefails to work with it in any remote way21:55
DocScrutinizerBS that's SIP if anything21:56
TsuyoHey, is there a way to format a sd-card without the filemanager? My card gets mounted, but i don't see it in the manager. Maybe it's in a raw format or something. Can i format it to fat16 somewhere else?21:56
ruskieI can generally get a SIP connection... but getting voice flowing... haven't yet succeded without a lot of extra effort...21:56
DocScrutinizeryou never get a SIP connection, it's actually just a few messages like 100 INVITE, 200 OK21:57
DocScrutinizerone of those defines a RTP stream going from UDP IP to UDP IP:port21:58
Venemoyo DocScrutinizer21:58
DocScrutinizerthe last part is what spoils things on NAT, if not dealt with it in a proper way21:58
DocScrutinizerthat's what STUN/ICE and hosted nat traversal are for21:59
ruskieno that's what ipv6 is for21:59
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DocScrutinizeras well, sure21:59
DocScrutinizeryou might have missed that, there's now even TCP SIP21:59
ruskienope haven't missed that21:59
ruskieso far only managed to get SIP working reliably with the work provider on the N95...22:00
ruskieVoIP that is...22:00
DocScrutinizerTsuyo: you might have a wrong format on it22:00
DocScrutinizerTsuyo: there is partitions and superfloppy format22:01
VenemoDocScrutinizer, what window manager does shr use?22:01
DocScrutinizerand then of course NTFS22:01
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infoboti guess nfc is No Fucking Clue22:02
Venemookay :)22:02
DocScrutinizerwait, window manager, err... still nfc22:02
TsuyoDocScrutinizer: Hrm. Any Ideas to format it? If i connect the phone to my pc, i see two disks, but i can only use the N900 one.22:02
TsuyoI don't have a microSD reader, so i cannot do it on my pc.22:02
DocScrutinizercan you access the card on N900 directly?22:03
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TsuyoDon't know, i don't see it in guis, i just see that it's mounted somewhere22:04
nox-btw whats the correct way to umount an usd before taking it out?  last time i had to reboot the device for it to mount it again after putting it back...22:04
DocScrutinizerusually gets umounted on opening back cover22:05
TsuyoIt's closed ;)22:06
DocScrutinizerTsuyo: you could try (c|s)fdisk to partition the raw device, then run mkfs.fat32 on it22:06
nox-well i saw io errors in dmesg and it didnt mount it again until i rebooted22:06
DocScrutinizernox-: possible22:07
DocScrutinizershouldn't but possible22:07
DocScrutinizeresp when no standard partioning and fs22:08
nox-it was the same fatfs it came with22:08
TsuyoInstalling OpenSSH and MadDeveloper right now. Installed my OS a few hours ago.22:08
TsuyoCould take a while :p22:08
nox-i only copied a 4 GB file onto if using a cardreader22:08
nox-onto it even22:09
DocScrutinizerHAHA, and you forgot to sync22:09
nox-no :)22:09
nox-on the pc i umounted22:09
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nox-of course :)22:09
nox-actually i think i used mtools...22:09
DocScrutinizerand waited the 10min until sync finished?22:10
nox-this wasnt linux :)22:10
DocScrutinizereven worse22:10
DocScrutinizerbtw 4GB in vfat??22:10
nox-well little less i suppose...22:10
DocScrutinizerI guess 2GB is max22:11
nox-on n900?22:11
DocScrutinizeron vfat22:11
nox-no, afaik the signdness bug was fixed in linux some time ago22:11
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nox-the file got mounted ok too after the reboot22:12
nox-(its a squashfx for that mapping tool i forgot the name of)22:13
nox-squashfs even22:13
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TsuyoDocScrutinizer: that helped, thank you :)22:17
TsuyoDocScrutinizer: Ah well, i understand the problem i think. The external card is "/dev/mmcblk1" wich doesnt exist on my phone : /22:20
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DocScrutinizershould exist if your uSD card got detected22:21
Tsuyoif i insert an other card, it works. Weird. I thought that one was broken Oo22:22
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DocScrutinizeralso there should be a mmcblk1p122:23
DocScrutinizerif there's not then mmcblk1 has no partitions so is superfloppy formatted22:23
TsuyoThere is now. ^^22:23
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GAN900MohammadAG, we need a patch for the open source camera UI to detect locale for rangefinder units.22:25
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_nicolai_MohammadAG, someone hacked your gmail account?22:58
* SpeedEvil noticred that too.22:59
SpeedEvilOr maybe it's just funds to support CSSU.22:59
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG has taken up viagra-spamming maemo-dev mailing list.23:02
DocScrutinizerGAN900: fscking inperial!!23:03
VenemoSpeedEvil, aah23:03
VenemoSpeedEvil, maybe he discovered that viagra can improve your maemo development abilities?23:04
DocScrutinizerI guess he used his gmail account at Sony23:04
nox-SpeedEvil, how do you know its really him and not just a faked From: ?23:04
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SpeedEvilNaah - all email addresses are genuine.23:05
* SpeedEvil remembers when he got up to 6% of his ISPs inbound mail queue due to fraud bounces.23:05
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, what?23:06
MohammadAGoh... crap23:06
nox-MohammadAG, not a faked From?23:06
VenemoMohammadAG, so, can viagra improve your maemo development abilities?23:06
SpeedEvilI used to - shortly after 'green-card' - post to usenet with a unique per-message email ID. Soi I could track how many spams I got per group, and average time to spam.23:06
SpeedEvilThis lead over time to maybe 15000 email addresses.23:06
SpeedEvilAnd someone sent out a few hundred emails with each one as the source ID.23:07
* nox- sometimes gets backscatter with nonexisting usernames...23:07
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no, but same password23:07
SpeedEvilI couldn't ditch the incoming emails over smtp fast enough for them to not accumulate.23:08
SpeedEvilEven after writing a custom 'MTA'23:08
MohammadAGexplains the youtube detetcted suspicous activity on your account23:08
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nox-oh dear....23:08
DocScrutinizeryou should report this incident to... err cert?23:09
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trxcern :)23:10
DocScrutinizernuke it with black holes!23:10
xnt14MohammadAG, your gmail account was hacked?23:11
nox-well if used the same pw as with sony and didnt chage it...23:11
* xnt14 scrolls up... Oh.23:11
xnt14I'm glad I didn't buy anything off of PSN...23:12
xnt14Yay for different passwords everywhere.23:12
xnt14Now if only MohammadAG would wake up.. I needed to ask him something.23:12
SpeedEvilxnt14: He can't. He's off to the emergency room after suffering an erection lasting over 4 hours.23:13
nox-change even23:13
xnt14SpeedEvil, hahaha... LOL23:14
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xnt14Typical MohammadAG. :]23:14
xnt14Although, I'm not sure why I used that emote in here.. it's an inside joke.23:15
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MohammadAGah fuck23:19
MohammadAGthe number of accounts tied to that address is....23:19
MohammadAGI lost count after 5023:19
* xnt14 pokes MohammadAG and points to a channel.23:20
xnt14I think he's not responding due to lag. -_-23:21
xnt14damn freenode.23:21
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, did anyone reply to the message?23:31
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