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| DocScrutinizer | hah | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | last week we had an average of >2users(day who got fsckd by multiboot | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meanwhile I'm considering to not only ask for ban of multiboot pkg on maemo, but also to ban multiboot topic on this channel | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=multiboot ENJOY! :-P | 00:08 |
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| thomas_sch | I think I will reflash the init | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: how about a MaemoWeekly column "WTF app of the week (/month/whatever)" - multiboot definitely qualifies for that title for 2010Q4 and 2011Q1 | 00:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: there've been sound remarks about multiboot being dangerous to the device and thus MUST get removed from extras and extras-testing | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I support that notion | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: multibot wears out NAND by way too many useless flashing of kernel, and it breaks all "normal" upgrade procedures | 00:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: uninstalling it is nonsense as you'll have to flash afterwards anyway... So you can start over with flashing right away | 00:28 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hit up the Packages interface. | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: and it's causing nothing but trouble to talk users out of their borked system | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: elaborate please | 00:30 |
| GAN900 | Extras QA has a process in place for complaints. | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaah OK | 00:30 |
| GAN900 | Easier to get the right eyes on it through there. | 00:30 |
| GAN900 | The package instance page for it should have a comments section. | 00:30 |
| GAN900 | And there may be a tracker you can file a bug under. | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, not going to file a bug for a prog I don't dare to touch ;-D | 00:32 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: see what you did ;) | 00:33 |
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| piggz | lo, does anyone know what im missing in my debian/ files to fix the following error im getting on the auto builder, but not locally | 00:34 |
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| piggz | dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libQtLocation.so.1 needed by debian/pgz-latitude-widget/usr/lib/hildon-desktop/pgz-latitude-widget (ELF format: 'elf32-littlearm'; RPATH: ''). | 00:34 |
| piggz | locally, that error is just a warning | 00:36 |
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| Venemo | piggz, does your control file have correct build dependencies? | 00:49 |
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| MohammadAG | in this case libqtm-dev | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | also it seems you're providing a binary to the builder | 00:51 |
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| piggz | Venemo: MohammadAG: yes, it was a dep, but i found that because it is in a non standard location (/opt/qtm...) you have to export LD_LIBRARY_PATH in the control file | 00:57 |
| Venemo | piggz, hm, interesting. I use only libqtm-sensors, but I didn't have such an issue | 00:57 |
| piggz | MohammadAG: sure?? the build just suceeded, and i used -sa -S | 00:57 |
| piggz | Venemo: yeah, i didnt have a problem with -sensors in space-invaders | 00:58 |
| Venemo | piggz, the trick for -sensors is that I needed to add it to build depends too, because libqtm-dev didn't bring it in | 00:59 |
| piggz | Venemo: i'll look at that trick tomorrow...gnight | 01:00 |
| Venemo | piggz, good night | 01:00 |
| GAN900 | No Fear Shakespeare is the required edition. What is this world coming to. | 01:01 |
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| BCMM | i had a problem with the MyDocs filesystem, which seems to be fixed since doing a fsck on it | 01:11 |
| BCMM | however, tracker seems to be broken now | 01:11 |
| BCMM | i can't see any photos in the photos app, or any music in the media player | 01:12 |
| BCMM | (opening music or photos from the file manager works fine) | 01:12 |
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| BCMM | how can i get tracker to forget everything and just redo its DB | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | rm | 01:13 |
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| rm_work | ? | 01:14 |
| rm_work | :P | 01:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~/.cache/tracker/ | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | tracker-processes -r | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | nuke file* | 01:16 |
| SpeedEvil | IIRC | 01:16 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: is that a command to run, and is it an alternative or in addition to what SpeedEvil said? | 01:18 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: thanks, i read tracker-processes --help and did -r | 01:25 |
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| BCMM | what does tracker do apart from photos and music? | 01:31 |
| lcuk | tracks things | 01:31 |
| BCMM | lcuk: i know, but which things? | 01:32 |
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| BCMM | i mean, if i tell it to monitor only my photos and music directory, will i notice? | 01:32 |
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| BCMM | i have a suspicion that tracker is part of why fcamera hangs up when shooting lots of photos in quick succession | 01:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | ~/.config/tracker/ | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | you can tell it what dirs to watch | 01:37 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: yes, i'm doing that | 01:39 |
| BCMM | just wondering which features i could miss from limiting it | 01:39 |
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| BCMM | ok, it appears to be building me a brand new tracker DB now | 01:42 |
| BCMM | thanks | 01:42 |
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| merlin1991 | khertan: ping | 02:21 |
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| compengi | how can i activate the phone lock on startup, as before or after it asks for the sim pin | 02:27 |
| lolcat | compengi: I did that once, in the menu | 02:27 |
| compengi | lolcat, how | 02:29 |
| compengi | and btw, does anyone has issues with playing videos from topgear.com? when i click to play on any video, it tell me that it's currently not available. on iphone 4 the video plays though. and when i select a second video from that page at the botton, the browser freezes | 02:34 |
| lolcat | compengi: Security? It is at the bottom of the settings menu. I don't have my N900 here so i can't know | 02:35 |
| compengi | lolcat, well.. to activate that, i need to set a time interval to lock the phone. i don't want that. i want to have the phone locked when it starts | 02:37 |
| lolcat | ah | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | compengi: I would wonder if it's a flash version issue. | 02:40 |
| SpeedEvil | (topgear) | 02:40 |
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| compengi | SpeedEvil, did you experience the same thing? | 02:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have never looked at topgear.com - I use iplayer | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | well - get_iplayer | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | either flash version, or even browser-id | 02:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or JS sh*t | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, I don't even know topgear | 02:44 |
| lolcat | DocScrutinizer: You never heard of topgear? | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Topgear is a remake of Desperate Housewives - loosely remade around cars. | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | compengi: Oh. Where are you? | 02:46 |
| lolcat | SpeedEvil: Desperate Housewives started 2007, we've had topgear since '01 | 02:46 |
| nox- | he was joking :) | 02:46 |
| SpeedEvil | compengi: It's working 'fine' for me. | 02:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Quotes as it hits 7fps or so | 02:47 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, i never visited that website too, but we were in a voodafone shop today to check out some new phones out there, there was this samsung 2 core on android, it was sooo laggy on that website. htc on android was fine with it. so i was just curious how it works on maemo. the loading is pretty cool.. and it doesn't lag even when the site isn't fully loaded, but the flash and the freeze.. | 02:48 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, oh really?! | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | compengi: Where ar eyou? | 02:48 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, germany | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | If you are outside the UK, it likely won't work. | 02:48 |
| compengi | oh? | 02:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it work on your desktop? | 02:48 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, but it does on iphone4 | 02:49 |
| compengi | yup | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm... | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Over the same net connection as the desktop? | 02:49 |
| compengi | yeah | 02:49 |
| compengi | same network | 02:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I've got no idea. I diddn't try playing all the videos, just the top on. | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | e | 02:50 |
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| compengi | SpeedEvil, try clicking on any video at the bottom | 02:50 |
| compengi | does your browser freeze? | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I've stuck the n900 on charge now - so I can't reach it. | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just notice every time I try to open a hit of google search via context menu in "new window", I end with a second window showing google search result list rather than the linked site | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems that's clearly some JS bug | 02:52 |
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| compengi | SpeedEvil, i get "the video you are trying to watch is currently unavailable. please come back soon." | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | or even a bug in microb/hildon/dbus/whatever | 02:54 |
| compengi | SpeedEvil, are you using gssu update? | 02:55 |
| SpeedEvil | compengi: no | 02:55 |
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| compengi | SpeedEvil, aha.. | 02:55 |
| compengi | i do | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's gssu update? | 02:56 |
| compengi | cssu* | 02:56 |
| compengi | :( | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | I watched the 458 thingy at the top of the topgear.com/videos/ page | 02:56 |
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| compengi | SpeedEvil, pretty cool, right? | 02:57 |
| compengi | idk where is the second episode of it | 02:57 |
| compengi | it must be a race | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | plays here, Germany, microb, cssu | 02:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I diddn't watch all of it, as I'm waiting on a video stream starting. | 02:59 |
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| compengi | DocScrutinizer, do you think it has something todo with the community update? because i'm feeling more like i have more issues rather than noticable fixes. and the virtual keyboard issue wasn't present before | 02:59 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, oh | 02:59 |
| compengi | :/ | 02:59 |
| * GeneralAntilles chuckles. | 03:00 | |
| GeneralAntilles | I found the 1st American edition Harry Potter #1 I've had since elementary school. | 03:00 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, then why it doesn't work here? | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno, bottom ones as well play here | 03:01 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at his wand. | 03:01 | |
| compengi | very weird | 03:02 |
| compengi | i will try tomorrow at the university | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer it would open in mediaplayer though | 03:02 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, cutetube is a nice application. high quality flash and really fast | 03:03 |
| compengi | not a 240p in original format :P | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah yes, I see - friggin flash | 03:03 |
| GeneralAntilles | Goes for about $1500 in good shape, but mine's a little water damaged: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5704882727/ | 03:04 |
| nox- | too bad get_iplayer suffers from geoblocking (even tho i dont watch that particular show :) | 03:04 |
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| compengi | DocScrutinizer, can you imagine 2 core 1ghz per core and laggy on this website? i looked at my phone and felt better :P | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | since flash11 I can't watch 60% of youtube on my pentium-dualcore 1.6GHz | 03:07 |
| nox- | haha | 03:08 |
| compengi | lol | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's when I started to hate flash, nah actually adobe | 03:08 |
| nox- | flash is fail in soo many ways... | 03:08 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, but on htc with same android version, it works very smoothly | 03:08 |
| nox- | DocScrutinizer, http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1063323&cid=26128419 | 03:09 |
| compengi | DocScrutinizer, it was even laggy on the desktop | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it was when the 3rd month in a row I got a warning from cert.de about vulnerabilities in flash, and had to learn this doesn't bother Nokia nor adobe, for the N900 | 03:10 |
| nox- | yeah `security' is the other big fail | 03:11 |
| nox- | of flash | 03:11 |
| nox- | there was a jawdropping chaos congress talk about that... | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, seen that | 03:12 |
| nox- | :) | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | flash, the hidden OS | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was it pdf? | 03:12 |
| nox- | yeah and with ugly old code kept for backwards-compatibility | 03:12 |
| nox- | pdf is similar i guess now | 03:13 |
| nox- | (that was a later talk) | 03:13 |
| nox- | and excel sheets can embed flash too, the madness never ends... | 03:14 |
| nox- | (and the exploits :) | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hail apple for banning flash from iphone | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems I said that 2 days ago, when someone called me mad | 03:14 |
| nox- | yeah thats one of the few good things about apple | 03:14 |
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| nox- | this was the flash talk: http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3494.en.html | 03:16 |
| nox- | http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3494-de-defending_the_poor.mp4 | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at this: http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=24821- seems video without flash can be done | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | works nicely on my N900 | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | even via 3G | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | in mediaplayer | 03:19 |
| nox- | looks like embedded mediaplayer plugin | 03:20 |
| nox- | i.e. what ppl did before flash video became popular | 03:20 |
| nox- | (and i had to drop the last - from your link) | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=24821&mode=play | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | c&p error | 03:21 |
| nox- | yeah same one | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what puzzles me is it doesn't work for settings h264 | 03:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, on my laptop it doesn't play at all, as does your link above. Video is borked on this laptop | 03:36 |
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| fusi[n900] | hmm | 03:39 |
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| fusi[n900] | oc'd @ 1ghz - stable in every way apart from transferring large files from sd to mydocs :( | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 03:41 |
| fusi[n900] | even just setting to lv with no speed increase causes reboots :( | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | running my incandescent bulbs @ 300V. Totally stable, except for heat | 03:42 |
| fusi[n900] | weird that its only cpying files fails | 03:42 |
| fusi[n900] | thts all | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait a short while, other permanent irreversible fails will follow soon | 03:43 |
| fusi[n900] | mm | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~oc | 03:44 |
| infobot | oc is probably an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~overclocking | 03:44 |
| infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 03:44 |
| infobot | hmm... omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 | 03:44 |
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| fusi[n900] | :) | 03:45 |
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| fusi[n900] | hehe ok | 03:53 |
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| fusi[n900] | point understood | 03:53 |
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| fusi[n900] | understood doc | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and haha, got banned on some channels | 03:54 |
| fusi[n900] | :) | 03:55 |
| fusi[n900] | im thinking the kwiki should be updated | 03:56 |
| fusi[n900] | -k | 03:56 |
| fusi[n900] | if it rly is that bad | 03:56 |
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| fusi[n900] | reboot | 04:08 |
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| cehteh | btw i got my bicycle dynamo recharge thing today ... of course i had to solder a micro usb cable since there was no adapter with it | 04:12 |
| cehteh | but after that it works really nicely | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:12 |
| SpeedEvil | It is a regulated 5V out? | 04:12 |
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| cehteh | http://www.miniwiz.com/products/energy/dynamo-reecharge | 04:13 |
| * SpeedEvil has been pondering getting a rather larger battery for his bike. | 04:15 | |
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| SpeedEvil | (10Ah, 48V) | 04:15 |
| cehteh | with a dynamo hub i dont really need a big battery, its just for buffering | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/48V-20AH-LiFePO4-Battery-Rechargeable-Electric-Bike-Kit-/130502832653?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6293320d | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe not quite that large. | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Above would run the n900 for most of a year. :) | 04:18 |
| cehteh | yes and its fun to carry along :P | 04:18 |
| cehteh | besides you certainly forget to recharge after 350 days ... :P | 04:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | The idea would be more that it carries me along. :) | 04:20 |
| cehteh | mhm this small nokia charger adapter which came with the n900 .. has really some second use as heating and pizza oven :P | 04:20 |
| cehteh | thats not biking anymore :P | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It is reportedly quite warm | 04:21 |
| cehteh | i just testing it | 04:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately health means that it's problematic to bike normally. | 04:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I get tired way too easily. | 04:21 |
| cehteh | ok | 04:21 |
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| pauly_ | hi i have n900 anyone want to buy it | 05:39 |
| pauly_ | broken usb port | 05:40 |
| lolcat | heh | 05:40 |
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| pauly_ | i in usa | 05:40 |
| lolcat | I am getting a refund for mine because of that | 05:40 |
| pauly_ | lolcat do u like android | 05:40 |
| lolcat | Nope | 05:41 |
| lolcat | It is shit | 05:41 |
| lolcat | If I want a tablet/gaming-device, I'll buy one | 05:41 |
| lolcat | I want my phone to handle communication well | 05:41 |
| lolcat | The N900 does that | 05:41 |
| pauly_ | idk im thinking of galaxy s 2 | 05:41 |
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| lolcat | I am stuck with a HTC Desire now | 05:42 |
| lolcat | It is BOOORING :P | 05:42 |
| lolcat | And it sucks for texting/chatting | 05:42 |
| pauly_ | i like n900 but the microB is slow compared to webkit | 05:42 |
| pauly_ | idk what to do | 05:42 |
| lolcat | Tried firefox? | 05:42 |
| pauly_ | worse | 05:43 |
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| pauly_ | no real twitter app | 05:43 |
| lolcat | And yeah, surfing is faster on a new phone with 1ghz cpu, and shitloads of ram | 05:43 |
| pauly_ | the galaxy s II is dual core arm | 05:43 |
| pauly_ | 1080p video recording | 05:44 |
| pauly_ | but android is werid you cant close an app | 05:44 |
| lolcat | 1080p video recordin sux with a that small lence unless it is really good ligth | 05:45 |
| lolcat | lense* | 05:45 |
| lolcat | And you don't have windows in the same sence | 05:45 |
| pauly_ | idl im stuck inbetwwen i found a my touch 3g htc android phone | 05:46 |
| pauly_ | for free | 05:46 |
| pauly_ | and like andoird | 05:46 |
| xd13 | i love n900 but its getting old quick | 05:47 |
| xd13 | i hope nokia pulls through makes an n950 running meego | 05:47 |
| pauly_ | same | 05:47 |
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| xd13 | i'm even considering leaving a hardware keyboard for a faster phone now | 05:48 |
| pauly_ | idk i installed meego on aspire one and it seems boring | 05:48 |
| lolcat | I'd rather have Maemo than Meego | 05:48 |
| xd13 | anyone know if you can put a super clean rom on the android phones | 05:48 |
| xd13 | ya i'm lovin maemo on n900 | 05:48 |
| lolcat | I think I migth go with three phones xD | 05:48 |
| pauly_ | anyone know of an usa carrier with unlimited web | 05:49 |
| lolcat | N900, N97 mini, and a fast android phone | 05:49 |
| xd13 | i'm on unlimited web on tmobile | 05:49 |
| pauly_ | dont they cap u | 05:49 |
| lolcat | Like you can dowload a TB on your phone? | 05:49 |
| pauly_ | im on tmobile | 05:49 |
| xd13 | i pay 60/month | 05:49 |
| xd13 | i've never gotten capped | 05:50 |
| xd13 | maybe there is one but when i log onto my acct online it says unlimited | 05:50 |
| pauly_ | they say 2gbs and after that it goes to EDGE | 05:50 |
| xd13 | hmm | 05:50 |
| xd13 | i'm not goign 2 purposely start download something just to give it a test | 05:50 |
| pauly_ | so im like wtf and they want $30 for 5gbs | 05:50 |
| xd13 | because all the companies are getting super greedy | 05:51 |
| xd13 | no one is using their minutes anymore | 05:51 |
| pauly_ | im in baltimore and glaxy s hspa+ got 15 mbps down | 05:51 |
| xd13 | they already profit so much from txting because it costs them nothing | 05:51 |
| xd13 | and all the companies want to end net neutrality and control it | 05:52 |
| pauly_ | i think n900 is 10 down | 05:52 |
| pauly_ | i want to switch but im scared | 05:53 |
| pauly_ | maybe if theres nice webkit browser for maemo and real twitter app | 05:54 |
| pauly_ | i would stay | 05:54 |
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| pauly_ | anyone want to buy my n900 with broken usb port | 05:55 |
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| Pauly | noone want to buy n900 with broken usb | 06:03 |
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| doc|home | Pauly: how would a person charge it? | 06:06 |
| doc|home | xd13: telecomms regulation NEVER ends as they say it will. It ends with less competition, not more. | 06:06 |
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| cehteh | Pauly: for how much? | 06:07 |
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| Pauly | spare battery charger | 06:15 |
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| Pauly | cehteh: 250 usd | 06:16 |
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| krayon | Pauly: Doubtful. I bought a fully working one for ~ $200 | 08:12 |
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| macmaN | whats up guys, does maemo log interface status changes somewhere? i.e. when 3G connections were made | 10:46 |
| macmaN | or wifi | 10:46 |
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| chem|st | macmaN: had a lock in dmesg? | 10:58 |
| chem|st | s/lock/look/ | 10:58 |
| infobot | chem|st meant: macmaN: had a look in dmesg? | 10:58 |
| chem|st | mornign | 10:59 |
| chem|st | grml | 10:59 |
| * chem|st had no coffee yet | 10:59 | |
| macmaN | dmesg doesnt help in this case, i could use persistence, since i need to find out about something from like 3 weeks ago | 10:59 |
| macmaN | im seeing autodisconnect is putting its log in /var/log | 10:59 |
| macmaN | but for some reason the author has decided that putting date information in timestamps is too much space hogging :/ | 10:59 |
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| chem|st | logrotate is usualy 7 days if not speciefied any different (some do 30 by default), so you must be lucky if +8 days ago | 11:00 |
| macmaN | but i guess i could write my own little echo script in /etc/network/if-up.d right | 11:00 |
| macmaN | maemo has logrotate? | 11:00 |
| macmaN | s/has/does | 11:00 |
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| chem|st | maemo ehrm guess not by default but some stuff is just debian like | 11:01 |
| macmaN | my impression has been it doesnt mostly log anything at all | 11:01 |
| chem|st | macmaN: that is the strapdown to save space, there is no man either | 11:01 |
| chem|st | logging is turned of by default, thought you turned that on | 11:02 |
| chem|st | stuff like syslog needs extra love | 11:02 |
| chem|st | at least last time I checked | 11:02 |
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| macmaN | yep i am aware of syslog, i figured *maybe* there's something low-traffic .log for stuff like if-up/down | 11:15 |
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| macmaN | regardless of syslog | 11:15 |
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| macmaN | my dumb ass network operator claims i had some 20MB session of traffic at some insane tariff | 11:16 |
| macmaN | i have no files on the phone with that date, so it wasnt anything i downloaded | 11:16 |
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| macmaN | i am not tethering, so it wasnt the computers | 11:17 |
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| Sicelo_ | afaik they rarely go wrong macmaN (not wanting to be a downer) | 11:18 |
| Sicelo_ | 10:17 < macmaN> i have no files on the phone with that date | 11:19 |
| Sicelo_ | what do u meanhere? | 11:19 |
| edheldil | macmaN: what about watching a video :))) | 11:19 |
| macmaN | two vectors are likely | 11:19 |
| macmaN | gpodder | 11:19 |
| Sicelo_ | /s/meanhere/mean here/ | 11:20 |
| macmaN | and the dumbass package management | 11:20 |
| macmaN | i dont watch internet video on the phone. at all. | 11:20 |
| macmaN | over cellular that is | 11:20 |
| edheldil | don't fret, when I connect to mobile data, I often immediately get message that I have exhausted my data limit :/ | 11:21 |
| Sicelo_ | s/meanhere/mean here/ | 11:21 |
| infobot | Sicelo_ meant: /s/mean here/mean here/ | 11:21 |
| edheldil | macmaN: what about email sync? | 11:21 |
| Sicelo_ | yay | 11:21 |
| macmaN | edheldil: no email configured on the phone | 11:22 |
| macmaN | edheldil: even then, email wouldnt be accessible over cellular without vpn | 11:22 |
| macmaN | edheldil: you get an sms for such alerts? | 11:22 |
| macmaN | i just recently installed dataplan monitor widget | 11:22 |
| macmaN | its readings seem to correspond to what operator logs are for this month, unfortunately i just installed it recently | 11:23 |
| edheldil | my mobile provider sends it, it says that my data rate will be limited (and it sucks afterwards, that's true) | 11:23 |
| edheldil | (it sucks before that, too, to be sure :)) | 11:24 |
| macmaN | right, thats why i am so pissed off at mine. there are no tools to totally disable the insane-rate data nor are there any alerts. | 11:24 |
| Sicelo_ | macmaN: there's a whole range of other things that can use lots of data. another thing, is the device always with you, or someone else could have used it? | 11:25 |
| macmaN | with the devices nowadays that can god knows what should you just leave the touchscreen lock open or something in the pocket, that is just stoneage quality service | 11:25 |
| edheldil | probably that's their punishment for me downgrading from unlimited data tariff | 11:25 |
| macmaN | Sicelo_: only me, 100% | 11:25 |
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| macmaN | Sicelo_: primary issue is how was the connection created? i have "always ask" for all connections, which seems like open touchscreen problem | 11:26 |
| chem|st | macmaN: 20MB session sounds like ham autoupdate with some like 5 repos active | 11:26 |
| macmaN | chem|st: yep that i agree, i just checked, fapman reported 14MB downloaded for last update | 11:27 |
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| macmaN | i have since turned HAM completely off, i.e. disabled the repos and only use fapman manually | 11:28 |
| chem|st | just extras (+devel+testing) + nokia should be something like 16-20MB | 11:28 |
| macmaN | i think the update system of automatically downloading full repo data is just plain stupid in today's cellular data world | 11:28 |
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| chem|st | for updates yes | 11:29 |
| chem|st | AND there should be a button to turnoff those updates on celldata at all | 11:30 |
| macmaN | and its not exactly difficult to differentiate between wlan and ppp, so i dont get why it is not a preference | 11:30 |
| flux | doesn't debian and ubuntu both support sending increments, but apparently maemo doesn't? | 11:30 |
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| chem|st | flux: maemo is like "etch" or something | 11:30 |
| chem|st | my desktops recieve diffs | 11:31 |
| chem|st | you send the date of last check and recieve all diffs from then on | 11:32 |
| macmaN | is there a discussion diffs on tmo | 11:33 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, ping | 11:50 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, ping | 11:52 |
| chem|st | macmaN: new post since last time you read a thread | 11:53 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: just talk | 11:53 |
| macmaN | chem|st: uh, wdym? | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | maybe what I need to ask isn't #maemo worthy? | 11:53 |
| chem|st | hehe | 11:53 |
| chem|st | macmaN: diff on tmo | 11:54 |
| macmaN | hahhhha | 11:54 |
| macmaN | damn | 11:54 |
| chem|st | "I'm not worthy!" | 11:54 |
| macmaN | i'm noticing going past that big 3-0 age is definitely hampering the ability to not skip words while typing | 11:54 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: you'll never find out by not asking | 11:54 |
| macmaN | or maybe i just thought slower in the 20ies | 11:55 |
| chem|st | hehe | 11:55 |
| chem|st | each "link" within a thread description (just the headers) has its functionality | 11:56 |
| crashanddie | chem|st, how about if I talk about it publicly, it might ruin the whole thing? :p | 11:56 |
| chem|st | so clicking the number will bring you to another post than clicking the thread title | 11:57 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: damn, but I'm so curious | 11:57 |
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| macmaN | chem|st: my question actually was meant to be "is there a discussion on update diffs somewhere on tmo" | 12:07 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 12:07 |
| chem|st | have no idea but pls feel free to start one | 12:08 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, pong | 12:11 |
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| * RST38h moos evilly | 12:48 | |
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| RST38h | Mhm...photoshoppers "designing meego device" on tmo again. | 12:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | These are the sort of people that design flying cars, while oimitting the propellors/jets. | 12:55 |
| Hukka | import antigravity is such a wonderful thing | 12:58 |
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| VoltageX | hi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents | 12:59 |
| VoltageX | What did I do wrong? | 12:59 |
| ruskie | RST38h, where? | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: and it looks bad too | 13:08 |
| chem|st | ruskie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69854 there | 13:09 |
| ruskie | ahh | 13:10 |
| * ruskie tries to resist throwing up at that first pic... | 13:10 | |
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| ruskie | hmm so two designs in the entire thread... fun.. | 13:11 |
| ruskie | the second one actually looks epic... but I would never use it because it just seems to fidly... | 13:11 |
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| * SpeedEvil wishes he had funding to try stuff. | 13:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | Though first I'd try to make my hoverboard. | 13:12 |
| ruskie | hoverboards epicness!!! | 13:12 |
| SpeedEvil | 30Kg of lithium-ion 40C cells, 20Kg of ducted fans, and a platrform to stand on. | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Not for the faint-hearted/sane. | 13:13 |
| ruskie | yup... that would be nice | 13:13 |
| ruskie | though wouldn't li-po be a tad safer idea? | 13:13 |
| SpeedEvil | As it can accellerate at 2G upwards in emergency thrust, and hit 4Km. | 13:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think safer is a somewhat tricky concept when you're talking abouit a device that can smack you into the ground at 200mph if it goes wrong. | 13:14 |
| ruskie | you need to add some logic in there to keep it safe | 13:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. Logic is a bit tricky - as first you need to work out where the ground is, in order to avoid it. | 13:15 |
| ruskie | don't aircraft already have some thingamagicky that does that??? | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | This at best means horribly complex maths. | 13:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, that are heavy, and expensive. | 13:17 |
| SpeedEvil | You can do it in several grams nowadays - but the maths are nasty | 13:17 |
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| ruskie | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/AHRS <-- something like this? | 13:20 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. That sort of system in a normal aircraft will weight 1-10Kg, and cost more than your house. | 13:21 |
| ruskie | according to info can be as cheap as $15k | 13:21 |
| ruskie | as for speed and height and saftey just limit what it can do... | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I was implying you live in a trailer. | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | (not really) | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | You basically can't do that. | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you limit the height to under 50cm or so, where you can detect the ground by direct methods. | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Determining orientation is quite possible - look at openpilot, or google kalman filter. | 13:22 |
| robbiethe1st | Couldn't you bounce a lazer or radar signal off the ground? | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just a bit annoying. | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. First you need to work out where the ground is, to point the laser at. | 13:23 |
| robbiethe1st | And... for orientation, you've got a simple 3-axis accelerometer | 13:23 |
| robbiethe1st | Ought to be able to handle it | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: Consider what happens if you have a 3 axis accellerometer, and an engine which can accellerate you at 2G upwards. | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Or indeed downwards. | 13:23 |
| ruskie | frankly I'd basically want something I could put a helmet with AR and ability to pick a destination then let it fly me there... | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Think 'air-segway' | 13:24 |
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| robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil: Well, can't you tell how much power the engine's putting out? | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: that doesn't tell you about drag | 13:24 |
| robbiethe1st | Some calibration, and you could probably make a pretty good guess? | 13:24 |
| ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/10/microsoft_skype_buy_near/ <-- erm... | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - kalman filter with sensors will tell you your position. | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | and orientation - with GPS too | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Joy | 13:25 |
| robbiethe1st | I wouldn't rely on GPS for much of anything <_< Seeing how poorly it works in the N900 | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | You use GPS for more navigation purpoises. | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | The safety stuff is from onboard sensors. | 13:26 |
| robbiethe1st | Just so long as if it goes out, nothing bad happens | 13:26 |
| ruskie | should be able to use dead reckoning when GPS goes out shouldn't it? | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | You're not - in this case - using the GPS for navigation as suck. | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | such. | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It's more a position reference to desaturate your velocity estimates. | 13:27 |
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| chem|st | what does MoNav routing daemon do in extras unhidden? | 13:31 |
| chem|st | ah got a cli | 13:32 |
| chem|st | wasn't it decided that cli stuff remains on cli? | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: wazzup | 13:55 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, i maybe getting back N900 this week | 14:04 |
| ZogG | are you have for me | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lo chem|st - I'd tend to agree | 14:13 |
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| VoltageX | What did I do wrong? | 14:43 |
| VoltageX | hi, I built a package in scratchbox for armel, but the files are being installed into ./scratchbox/compilers/bin according to dpkg-deb --contents | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA skype == M$ now | 15:14 |
| edheldil | is it already? | 15:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Not yet. | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | Wanna bet clients for platforms other than wp7 in mobile space get deprioritised a bit? | 15:17 |
| Hukka | I'm wondering if they will even pull them | 15:17 |
| jacekowski | it's the end of the world | 15:17 |
| jacekowski | and everything | 15:17 |
| jacekowski | stargate is no more | 15:17 |
| ccooke | jacekowski: you mean they laid its shambling corpse to rest, finally? | 15:18 |
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| jacekowski | i mean they finished SGU with ugly cliffhanger | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | instead of doing it properly with 5 seasons as planned | 15:19 |
| ccooke | ugh | 15:19 |
| BCMM | SpeedEvil: my thought exactly... | 15:20 |
| BCMM | hopefully, this will kill skype, which would be a good thing | 15:20 |
| BCMM | there's more than one open technology that would be far superior if it gained critical mass | 15:20 |
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| merlin1991 | BCMM: gimme names of the superior techs, I want to get rid of skype :P | 15:21 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: SIP, Jabber | 15:21 |
| BCMM | ok, so there's probably pros and cons | 15:22 |
| merlin1991 | I'm still searching for a useable jabber client for win | 15:22 |
| BCMM | merlin1991: doesn't google make one? | 15:22 |
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| chem|st | merlin1991: back in the days I used miranda | 15:34 |
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| chem|st | BCMM: if properly implemented jabber serves all your needs | 15:37 |
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| chem|st | BCMM: but one thing and that might be desktop sharing (skype shares display only) | 15:39 |
| BCMM | didn't know skype did that | 15:39 |
| BCMM | it only does it on windows | 15:40 |
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| chem|st | nope | 15:40 |
| BCMM | i presume | 15:40 |
| BCMM | mac too? | 15:40 |
| chem|st | I dont care about mac | 15:40 |
| chem|st | who cares about mac | 15:40 |
| BCMM | well, pretty sure the linux version doesn't do desktop sharing | 15:40 |
| chem|st | don't remember I am the one on the other side | 15:41 |
| chem|st | if there will be libskype is an interesting question that pops up the same time | 15:42 |
| chem|st | BCMM: since 2011/01/22 there should be "desktop-sharing" for linux, would call it display sharing but $user wouldn't understand | 15:43 |
| chem|st | since 2.1beta2 for linux | 15:44 |
| BCMM | this sort of thing would be so, so easy without NAT | 15:44 |
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| chem|st | ? | 15:45 |
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| edheldil | chem|st: works-through-nat is about the main Skype selling point | 15:46 |
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| mgedmin | I would simplify that even more "works is about the main Skype selling point" | 15:52 |
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| ShadowJK | And before the others have that selling point too, it doesn't matter how much features they bolt on :) | 15:53 |
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| RST38h | Do you guys really believe that Skype will continue working once Microsoft applies its engineering expertise? | 15:56 |
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| nid0 | Do you really believe that it won't? | 15:56 |
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| RST38h | I woould give 70% probability that it won't | 15:57 |
| chx | I think Skype won't die | 15:57 |
| RST38h | No, it will not die either | 15:57 |
| chx | but i would be shocked to see another Skype for Linux client | 15:57 |
| Robot101 | it would be a waste of their investment if they killed it | 15:57 |
| Robot101 | also, really unlikely :P | 15:57 |
| RST38h | Not "killed". Made it a vehicle for expanding their business offerings into the new markets! | 15:58 |
| Robot101 | Skype's value is in the network, that's the biggest thing they'd avoid killing | 15:58 |
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| chx | 8.5 billion? How on earth would Skype worth 8.5b? Microsoft is mad. | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | skype is a big trojan/virus/rootkit, like is windows | 15:58 |
| RST38h | BTW, how many active users does Skype have? | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Supply and demand. | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you get - say - 850m/year of revenue out now - no. | 15:59 |
| chx | RST38h: my skype client reports 26m users online right now | 15:59 |
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| nid0 | theres a difference between the company's own value and the company's added value to another business. | 15:59 |
| chx | RST38h: let's say they have 100m active users? | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it possible that you can use skype to drive that amount of revenue to your buisness - debatable. | 15:59 |
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| nid0 | skype isnt worth 8.5 bill, but skype services added to everything ms provides, hell yes | 15:59 |
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| RST38h | Ok. 100m active users ==> $85/user | 16:00 |
| RST38h | Cheap! | 16:00 |
| RST38h | + if they lock Skype users to Windows, that will be pretty helpful for their platform | 16:01 |
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| nid0 | did you even read the release on the takeover? | 16:02 |
| RST38h | no, should I? | 16:02 |
| nid0 | the bit where it says skype will continue fully as-is with clients for many platforms, and that theyre just adding a new team for more MS related stuff? | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | If they can somehow manage to convert a small percentage of those to WP7 customers too - that enables them to boost the size iof the WP7 platform, which makes it not quite so tiny, and more likley to survive in the market. | 16:02 |
| RST38h | nid0: this is just PR veneer | 16:03 |
| RST38h | nid0: should wait for a few months before the real picture comes into focus | 16:03 |
| nid0 | no, its also obvious and common sense. | 16:03 |
| RST38h | common sense != business sense, sorry | 16:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I definitely won't install any M$ trojan on my linux systems | 16:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | M$ is a friggin genius when it comes to rogue sneaky ways to convince you that your platform sucks | 16:07 |
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| chx | nid0: where did you read that? I am trying to find it | 16:08 |
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| chem|st | M$ just confirmed | 16:48 |
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| chem|st | ah ok I am late again... | 16:50 |
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| chem|st | another guy using the "report this" button on tmo to send a msg to someone^^ | 16:56 |
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| GAN900 | Ban! | 16:57 |
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| Lantizia | Lo, anyone got an extended battery for their n900? i've only seen the mugen one so far - looks fugly | 17:11 |
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| flux | lantizia, sure, I have mugen. lets me charge the device only at nights. | 17:20 |
| flux | functionality over aesthetics. | 17:21 |
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| OkropNick | I have Choiix Power Bank, it's good, no need to be cnnected all the time | 17:22 |
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| Lantizia | flux, the photos of the mugen on their site show some kind of switch on the back - but the video doesn;t... what does yours have? | 17:26 |
| flux | lantizia, I have the switch | 17:27 |
| flux | lantizia, the first version lacked a switch for opening the camera | 17:27 |
| flux | and the device thought the lens was always open | 17:27 |
| flux | that was bad. | 17:27 |
| flux | it also thought that the battery door was always open, so mmc didn't work either. | 17:27 |
| edheldil | SpeedEvil: another and rather more depressing possibility is that they bought Skype to get more patents to bash their competition with | 17:27 |
| flux | but they sent two new backdoors to everybody who has ordered the first version. | 17:28 |
| flux | (new = with the switch) | 17:28 |
| edheldil | are you buying backdoors and trojans??? :) | 17:29 |
| edheldil | ~mugen | 17:29 |
| flux | hah | 17:29 |
| ShadowJK | mugen = 2400 mAh battery | 17:30 |
| flux | it's an annoying trend that recent nokia phones have integrated the battery inside | 17:31 |
| cehteh | oh ... good bye skype ... | 17:31 |
| flux | no more room for bigger batteries | 17:31 |
| flux | well, unless you glue them to the back side or something | 17:31 |
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| cehteh | time to setup my own sip server | 17:31 |
| Lantizia | my sip server (asterisk) has a skype trunk (made between skype and digium) i expect MS will ditch that product | 17:32 |
| Lantizia | not to mention the linux skype client and skype on any phone other than windows phone | 17:32 |
| flux | do current voip-solutions work without issues through typical nat-gateways or firewalls? (assuming the server has no routing issues) | 17:33 |
| cehteh | flux: there are a lot well known tricks to penetrate firewalls for voip | 17:34 |
| flux | cehteh, tricks that you need to set up on your systems etc.. | 17:34 |
| cehteh | nope | 17:34 |
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| flux | my trick would be to use openvpn. | 17:34 |
| cehteh | but its certainly easier when your firewall is voip aware | 17:35 |
| chem|st | flux: so you vpn to all your friends for voip... that's the best idea ever! | 17:40 |
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| flux | chem|st, obviously it works only for giving a connection for myself for my voip server | 17:41 |
| flux | others can find their own solutions for connecting to its internet-facing interface :) | 17:41 |
| chem|st | flux: my current setup at home works for setup firewall and without, my phone got no firewall setup but my SIP-phone has, also my laptop got no special setup in the firewall but my desktop has, everything is working fine | 17:42 |
| chem|st | on all 4 devices | 17:42 |
| chem|st | the only thing is that my router is aware of voip packages and gives them a higher priority you can torrent something at full bandwidth in both directions and still - calls go through | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just check your NAT for http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-nat-udp http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5382 | 17:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | traffic shaping / ToS-management of course is a nice-to-have on routers | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | however note there's just so much you can do via tricky management, to avoid congestion on downstream | 18:02 |
| chem|st | in my case must have... SIPvoip is my primary landline | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | been mine for years as well, with twinkle :-D | 18:02 |
| chem|st | bought a gigasetIP someday but yes used twinkle first | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you know my work then :-D | 18:03 |
| dangergrrl | sip is my alternate cell line | 18:03 |
| dangergrrl | :) | 18:03 |
| chem|st | +1 | 18:03 |
| dangergrrl | i have a plan with tmobile for 'unlimited' data but with rate clamping after 5gb and only 500 voice minutes a month | 18:04 |
| chem|st | the actual clue with n900 is that my home number rings in where ever I get wifi... | 18:04 |
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| dangergrrl | the sip and skype integration is nice | 18:05 |
| chem|st | 300MB and 100minutes^^ | 18:05 |
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| chem|st | skype just died lately, phone went lesser responsive and before I recognized the battery was drained while idle on my desk | 18:06 |
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| chem|st | think telepathy was shoot by skype so the whole phone was going mad | 18:08 |
| chem|st | shot... | 18:08 |
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| dangergrrl | last time i tried skype it failed for hours | 18:15 |
| dangergrrl | should have switched to wifi | 18:15 |
| dangergrrl | i get crap 3G signal at home | 18:15 |
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| dangergrrl | pandora streams all over central texas and drops at home | 18:15 |
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| sivang | hi all | 18:33 |
| sivang | has anyone managed to use N8 with joikuspot as a WiFi router? | 18:33 |
| Damnshock | n8? | 18:33 |
| sivang | it seems the poor arm11 is not up to the task | 18:33 |
| sivang | N8 | 18:33 |
| sivang | I know this is offtopic, but where else would I ask? :) | 18:33 |
| sivang | hmm, Mohammad is not here today | 18:33 |
| Damnshock | nokia support maybe? | 18:34 |
| Damnshock | is there any symbian channel? | 18:34 |
| sivang | nokia support are mostly clueless | 18:34 |
| sivang | I'll try | 18:34 |
| visz | i tried the free version of joikuspot with my e7 | 18:35 |
| sivang | visz: and? | 18:35 |
| visz | it allowed http to ovi store and icmp ping | 18:35 |
| sivang | visz: I'm trying to figure if Orange in Israel who are undoubtfuly a bad bad carrier or the device itself. | 18:35 |
| visz | can't really say anything else about it =D | 18:35 |
| sivang | visz: hmm | 18:35 |
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| sivang | visz: I see, were you able to download a meego image using it, pinetrail for example? | 18:36 |
| visz | oh, you misunderstand | 18:36 |
| visz | it was crippled | 18:36 |
| sivang | ah | 18:36 |
| visz | crippleware | 18:36 |
| sivang | I bought the 10EU version | 18:36 |
| sivang | and it still seems like something is crippling it | 18:36 |
| sivang | premium | 18:37 |
| visz | i'm pondering if it's worth it | 18:37 |
| sivang | not on any other device than N900 | 18:37 |
| sivang | the N900 allows speedier net access with Joiku than my home ADSL | 18:37 |
| sivang | IMHO | 18:37 |
| sivang | but it may be due to the fact that Israeli operators are third world in quality | 18:38 |
| sivang | I can't access twitter even | 18:38 |
| visz | n900 has free hotspot app though | 18:38 |
| sivang | it does? | 18:38 |
| sivang | probably did not exist when I got it | 18:38 |
| visz | http://www.nokian900applications.com/mobile-hotspot-for-nokia-n900/ | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoghurt sport is useless for N900. There are free better designed alternatives for all I know | 18:38 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I don't care, I bought Joiku there as well and was amazed with the performance | 18:39 |
| sivang | I am a great follower of Joiku | 18:39 |
| sivang | so time to reflash, put the N900 back to operative state and walk around with a proper phone tablet. | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, for linux yoghurt is crap. Eats battery like mad, as they had obviously no clue about linux OS basics | 18:40 |
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| sivang | I do believe the weak arm11's are the issue here as I experienced it both with E7 and N8 | 18:40 |
| ruskie | hehe | 18:40 |
| ruskie | actually shoddy coding is more likely | 18:40 |
| ruskie | like with most apps now-a-days sadly | 18:40 |
| sivang | I will reapeat - N900 is the single best phone Nokia has ever released. | 18:40 |
| sivang | for the busy professional on the go :) | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like porting a windows bash emulation to run on linux under wine | 18:41 |
| sivang | ruskie: :) | 18:41 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: taking Joiku to S3 you mean? | 18:41 |
| * chem|st bows down and cries "I'm not worthy!" | 18:41 | |
| sivang | chem|st: :) | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | taking joiku to maemo | 18:41 |
| sivang | hmm | 18:41 |
| sivang | but only there is does perform | 18:42 |
| chem|st | best idea ever! just like going M$ | 18:42 |
| sivang | it started with Symbian I take it then? | 18:42 |
| chem|st | or buy an iphone... | 18:42 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: if I deduce right from you last sentence | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik yes | 18:42 |
| sivang | so it starts forwarding and then stops | 18:42 |
| sivang | and the gauges drop to 0 | 18:42 |
| sivang | joikuspot on S3, that is premium | 18:43 |
| sivang | E7/N8 | 18:43 |
| sivang | okay guys | 18:44 |
| sivang | sorry for the bashing | 18:44 |
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| sivang | it is my DAMN I WISH IT BANKRUPTED already operator | 18:44 |
| chem|st | if you know how to connect to wifi and cell at the same time I would make up some routing | 18:44 |
| sivang | Orange Israel, don't leave home with it. | 18:45 |
| sivang | thet block twitter and facebook | 18:45 |
| sivang | and do terrible QoS | 18:45 |
| chem|st | oranjes... | 18:45 |
| sivang | !! | 18:45 |
| sivang | I am able to download the meego pinetrail image at 220kbs | 18:45 |
| sivang | kB/s | 18:45 |
| chem|st | ehrm thats not the provider that is israel... | 18:45 |
| sivang | chem|st: true, true | 18:46 |
| sivang | coverage is probably poor for 3G | 18:46 |
| sivang | but people with Pelephone subscription showed me blazing fast HD video in real time on their iPhone | 18:46 |
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| sivang | or perhaps the N900 antenna is stronger | 18:46 |
| chem|st | at home I can drain my device flat within hours just by logging in to the 3G network base... no need to even start an internet connection... | 18:47 |
| sivang | because N900 did not have a problem to operate indoors | 18:47 |
| sivang | chem|st: did they tell you N8 is not supported by them? | 18:47 |
| chem|st | no | 18:47 |
| sivang | they told me that because my N8 was sent to be by Nokia from out of the country, they can't help me with network access | 18:48 |
| sivang | now how does that sound?> | 18:48 |
| chem|st | what support should a provider give to any phone but iphone-visual-combox or blackberry servers | 18:48 |
| sivang | haha | 18:48 |
| sivang | chem|st: you sarcastic right? | 18:48 |
| chem|st | no | 18:48 |
| chem|st | there is nothing to support | 18:48 |
| sivang | may I ask what's your business in this channel? | 18:48 |
| ruskie | don't really need any support from the provider other than giving me access and making sure things run... | 18:49 |
| chem|st | either your phone can or cannot do UMTS on that band | 18:49 |
| sivang | chem|st: UMTS == dual? | 18:49 |
| sivang | can't you just put it in 3G fixed | 18:49 |
| sivang | ? | 18:49 |
| chem|st | no dual means drop back to gsm if umts is not available | 18:49 |
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| sivang | umts == 3G? | 18:49 |
| chem|st | 3G in this case then | 18:49 |
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| sivang | umts is like HSPDA ? | 18:50 |
| sivang | brr I',m confused | 18:50 |
| sivang | they managed to confuse me | 18:50 |
| sivang | they told me to never put myh device to other setting than 3G | 18:50 |
| ruskie | 3g - collection of technologies that your phone uses to do stuff with | 18:50 |
| sivang | perhaps there lays the issue ? | 18:50 |
| ruskie | iirc hspda, umts etc... are part of it | 18:51 |
| chem|st | ehrm my business... nothing but helping people either by answeres or suggestions... | 18:51 |
| chem|st | I'm a mod from tmo though | 18:51 |
| sivang | ruskie: okay, so when I deprive my phone off UMTS, it willnever be able to give me 2.8mbps throughput ? | 18:51 |
| sivang | chem|st: oh, pleased to meet you! | 18:51 |
| sivang | chem|st: and you live in the same swamp I do? :) | 18:51 |
| chem|st | then do it... turn it to 3G only... | 18:51 |
| sivang | does not work | 18:52 |
| sivang | I have to put it to 'Dual' to be abe to have any net acces at all at times | 18:52 |
| chem|st | what does not work? the phone doesnt go to that state or the net doesnt work? | 18:52 |
| sivang | it is now on Dual | 18:52 |
| sivang | !netaccess | 18:52 |
| chem|st | try with gsm | 18:52 |
| sivang | this works all the time | 18:53 |
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| sivang | but slower than RemoteAccess used to come up on my 2400kbps modem 15 years ag | 18:53 |
| sivang | ago | 18:53 |
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| chem|st | and they told you to go 100% alltime ever 3G... nice | 18:53 |
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| sivang | chem|st: yes, while I have been able to achieve the best speeds only when usin Dual | 18:53 |
| sivang | does this make sense? | 18:53 |
| chem|st | the login credentials are usualy the same as for gsm/edge-gprs | 18:54 |
| chem|st | no that makes no sense as 3G is another network you login to | 18:54 |
| sivang | why do we care about the login credentials? | 18:55 |
| sivang | uinterent and that's it no? | 18:55 |
| sivang | amazing | 18:55 |
| sivang | sitting at the topmost point of the building, windows open | 18:55 |
| chem|st | are you able to cell-call with 3G set | 18:55 |
| sivang | Dual mode. and the download never drops below 220kB/s | 18:55 |
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| sivang | chem|st: lost of hangsups and hickups, but yes | 18:55 |
| chem|st | ok 220kB is about edge isn't it? 320kB/s.... hang on I check that | 18:56 |
| sivang | chem|st: thank you for your help btw, I'm pretty much clueless about the MA layer in GSM | 18:56 |
| sivang | chem|st: need to get that book and read about it | 18:56 |
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| sivang | http://www.amazon.com/GSM-Evolution-Towards-Generation-Systems/dp/0792383516 | 18:57 |
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| chem|st | 270kBaud.... so no that would be about 33kB/s | 18:58 |
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| chem|st | possible are 100kB/s | 18:59 |
| chem|st | but they use only 100-200kb/s | 19:00 |
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| ShadowJK | It'd show "2.5" if you're on edge | 19:00 |
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| sivang | it shows 3.5 | 19:00 |
| chem|st | sivang: the 220 is bit not Byte | 19:00 |
| chem|st | ? | 19:01 |
| ShadowJK | edge max speed is about 220 kbit/s | 19:01 |
| ShadowJK | Well.. common | 19:01 |
| ShadowJK | 3.5g is hsdpa :) | 19:01 |
| chem|st | 3.5 is hdspa | 19:01 |
| sivang | k, great | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hspa | 19:01 |
| chem|st | yeah skip the d | 19:01 |
| sivang | I go from 1.1mbps to 2.5mbps now | 19:01 |
| ShadowJK | or hspa, if the operator supports hsupa :P | 19:01 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: :) | 19:01 |
| sivang | orange's proxy is blocking twitter | 19:02 |
| sivang | when accessing the non m. host | 19:02 |
| chem|st | nothing to worry I guess, the drops are because of the weak network | 19:02 |
| sivang | ! | 19:02 |
| sivang | chem|st: yes, but it only wnet back to working after I put it in DUal | 19:03 |
| sivang | are they allowed to do that? | 19:03 |
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| chem|st | lol they are nice to you... gov requested blocking of all www.twitter and they just did that | 19:03 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, sometimes I wonder if joikuspot maemo was designed with that kernel module specifically to avoid having to replace the device kernel :-) | 19:03 |
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| sivang | chem|st: you live here as well? :) | 19:04 |
| sivang | chem|st: did gove asked they do this for facebook? | 19:04 |
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| chem|st | don't know but many countries around try to restrict the internet and as israel is doing a good job in doing everything like germany 70 years ago I guess they like the vessel! | 19:06 |
| chem|st | but I stop here as this is no place for politics | 19:07 |
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| chem|st | at least non of that kind.... | 19:07 |
| chem|st | I am off then, good night! | 19:08 |
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| sivang | chem|st: night | 19:09 |
| sivang | chem|st: thanks for your help | 19:09 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2015009181_rapturepet10.html | 19:33 |
| GAN900 | chem|st, and amazingly people keep voting for more government! | 19:33 |
| * wmarone__ follows Google's spew | 19:35 | |
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| RST38h | GAN: What a resourceful guy! | 19:37 |
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| RST38h | "They have to love animals, of course, but just as important is that they don't love Jesus." | 19:38 |
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| unixSnob | i'm looking for a service like google voice click-to-call.. is there anything comparable? | 19:48 |
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| sivang | so microsoft has acquired skype? | 20:01 |
| sivang | time to move to open standard VoIP through sipgate | 20:01 |
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| sivang | as probably the Maemo client and symbian client will now dissolve | 20:02 |
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| MohammadAG | has? | 20:03 |
| sivang | old news? | 20:03 |
| andre__ | I don't see how Skype gets worse by moving its ownership from a weird company to another one. | 20:03 |
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| Damnshock | sivang: the time to move to an open standard was long ago | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | More actively hostile ownership? | 20:07 |
| Damnshock | that is, from the begining | 20:08 |
| RST38h | Skype is a weird company by itself | 20:08 |
| Damnshock | we should have never, ever, used skype | 20:08 |
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| Damnshock | from a sysadmin point of view is a terrible pain in the youknowwhat | 20:08 |
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| jacekowski | Damnshock: open standard like what? | 20:13 |
| jacekowski | Damnshock: is there any other voip standard that works | 20:13 |
| Damnshock | jacekowski: jingle for example | 20:13 |
| Damnshock | voip standard that works? | 20:14 |
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| Damnshock | sip | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | Damnshock: and has no need for centralised infrastructire | 20:14 |
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| Damnshock | jacekowski: jingle | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | sip doesn't work | 20:14 |
| Damnshock | over xmpp | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | maybe | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | but there are 2 incompatible versions of jingle | 20:15 |
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| Damnshock | jacekowski: that's not exactlly true | 20:18 |
| jacekowski | it is | 20:18 |
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| obcecado | hi | 20:51 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: there are 2 incompatible Jingles, but both can be supported by the same client | 21:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eh? since when does SIP need a centralized infra? | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | one of the giant misconceptions about SIP | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually nowadays most SIP UAs have lost their general abilities and are tailored to work for the basically rather niche case of a central SIP provider | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with a proper ful featured SIP client you can do direct IP-to-IP SIP | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | which doesn't work as reliably as skype | 21:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and i'm frequently lame of laughing when I witness dudes installing asterisk on their phone/PC/whatever just to implement teir 2 trunks network | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | even just for accessing their 'regular' commercail sip provider via softphone ;-P | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | like asterisk-N900 - MUHAHAHA | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: s/work/suck/ | 21:35 |
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| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: ip2ip sip was a non-starter as it was _designed_ to break on NAT | 21:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: sure, my NAT/router/FW is designed to break services like SIP - unless of course I bother to config it correctly | 21:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while skype is designed to cheat and sneak behind the usual average NAT/FW admin - but believe me nowadays even skype got no chance anymore | 21:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are well documented (while still horribly annoying) ways to make skype fail if your LAN policy is to forbid skype | 21:51 |
| dm8tbr | now that it's MS they'll just integrate it with OCS and break it along the way | 21:51 |
| dm8tbr | yeah I remember there was at some point a quite straight forward way by blocking just a few destination ports | 21:52 |
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| ruskie | DocScrutinizer, SIP is dead easy to break sadly | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | to *break*? | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | brake like what? | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | make it fail? sure | 21:53 |
| ruskie | well that for me is break | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | tap it? not with ZRTP | 21:53 |
| ruskie | as in not working | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use a cracked account? hardly | 21:53 |
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| dm8tbr | sure block port 5060 udp and bang most clients fail | 21:54 |
| ruskie | hell the rtp mess is enough to fail it all... | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wwhat's mess in RTP? | 21:54 |
| dm8tbr | breaks easily on NAT, see SIP in general | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTP is unrelated to NAT | 21:55 |
| ruskie | fails to work with it in any remote way | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS that's SIP if anything | 21:56 |
| Tsuyo | Hey, is there a way to format a sd-card without the filemanager? My card gets mounted, but i don't see it in the manager. Maybe it's in a raw format or something. Can i format it to fat16 somewhere else? | 21:56 |
| ruskie | I can generally get a SIP connection... but getting voice flowing... haven't yet succeded without a lot of extra effort... | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | you never get a SIP connection, it's actually just a few messages like 100 INVITE, 200 OK | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | one of those defines a RTP stream going from UDP IP to UDP IP:port | 21:58 |
| Venemo | yo DocScrutinizer | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | the last part is what spoils things on NAT, if not dealt with it in a proper way | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what STUN/ICE and hosted nat traversal are for | 21:59 |
| ruskie | no that's what ipv6 is for | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as well, sure | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might have missed that, there's now even TCP SIP | 21:59 |
| ruskie | nope haven't missed that | 21:59 |
| ruskie | so far only managed to get SIP working reliably with the work provider on the N95... | 22:00 |
| ruskie | VoIP that is... | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tsuyo: you might have a wrong format on it | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tsuyo: there is partitions and superfloppy format | 22:01 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what window manager does shr use? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then of course NTFS | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | matchbox? | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 22:01 |
| Venemo | ~nfc | 22:02 |
| infobot | i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue | 22:02 |
| Venemo | ah | 22:02 |
| Venemo | okay :) | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait, window manager, err... still nfc | 22:02 |
| Tsuyo | DocScrutinizer: Hrm. Any Ideas to format it? If i connect the phone to my pc, i see two disks, but i can only use the N900 one. | 22:02 |
| Tsuyo | I don't have a microSD reader, so i cannot do it on my pc. | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | can you access the card on N900 directly? | 22:03 |
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| Tsuyo | Don't know, i don't see it in guis, i just see that it's mounted somewhere | 22:04 |
| nox- | btw whats the correct way to umount an usd before taking it out? last time i had to reboot the device for it to mount it again after putting it back... | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually gets umounted on opening back cover | 22:05 |
| Tsuyo | It's closed ;) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tsuyo: you could try (c|s)fdisk to partition the raw device, then run mkfs.fat32 on it | 22:06 |
| nox- | well i saw io errors in dmesg and it didnt mount it again until i rebooted | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: possible | 22:07 |
| nox- | :) | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | shouldn't but possible | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp when no standard partioning and fs | 22:08 |
| nox- | it was the same fatfs it came with | 22:08 |
| Tsuyo | Installing OpenSSH and MadDeveloper right now. Installed my OS a few hours ago. | 22:08 |
| Tsuyo | Could take a while :p | 22:08 |
| nox- | i only copied a 4 GB file onto if using a cardreader | 22:08 |
| nox- | onto it even | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHA, and you forgot to sync | 22:09 |
| nox- | no :) | 22:09 |
| nox- | on the pc i umounted | 22:09 |
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| nox- | of course :) | 22:09 |
| nox- | actually i think i used mtools... | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and waited the 10min until sync finished? | 22:10 |
| nox- | this wasnt linux :) | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | even worse | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw 4GB in vfat?? | 22:10 |
| nox- | well little less i suppose... | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess 2GB is max | 22:11 |
| nox- | on n900? | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | on vfat | 22:11 |
| nox- | no, afaik the signdness bug was fixed in linux some time ago | 22:11 |
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| nox- | the file got mounted ok too after the reboot | 22:12 |
| nox- | (its a squashfx for that mapping tool i forgot the name of) | 22:13 |
| nox- | squashfs even | 22:13 |
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| Tsuyo | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Partitioning_a_flash_card that helped, thank you :) | 22:17 |
| Tsuyo | DocScrutinizer: Ah well, i understand the problem i think. The external card is "/dev/mmcblk1" wich doesnt exist on my phone : / | 22:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | should exist if your uSD card got detected | 22:21 |
| Tsuyo | if i insert an other card, it works. Weird. I thought that one was broken Oo | 22:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also there should be a mmcblk1p1 | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | if there's not then mmcblk1 has no partitions so is superfloppy formatted | 22:23 |
| Tsuyo | There is now. ^^ | 22:23 |
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| GAN900 | MohammadAG, we need a patch for the open source camera UI to detect locale for rangefinder units. | 22:25 |
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| _nicolai_ | MohammadAG, someone hacked your gmail account? | 22:58 |
| * SpeedEvil noticred that too. | 22:59 | |
| SpeedEvil | Or maybe it's just funds to support CSSU. | 22:59 |
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| Venemo | what? | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG has taken up viagra-spamming maemo-dev mailing list. | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: fscking inperial!! | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 23:03 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, aah | 23:03 |
| Venemo | SpeedEvil, maybe he discovered that viagra can improve your maemo development abilities? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess he used his gmail account at Sony | 23:04 |
| nox- | SpeedEvil, how do you know its really him and not just a faked From: ? | 23:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Naah - all email addresses are genuine. | 23:05 |
| * SpeedEvil remembers when he got up to 6% of his ISPs inbound mail queue due to fraud bounces. | 23:05 | |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, what? | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh... crap | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:06 |
| nox- | MohammadAG, not a faked From? | 23:06 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG, so, can viagra improve your maemo development abilities? | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I used to - shortly after 'green-card' - post to usenet with a unique per-message email ID. Soi I could track how many spams I got per group, and average time to spam. | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | This lead over time to maybe 15000 email addresses. | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | And someone sent out a few hundred emails with each one as the source ID. | 23:07 |
| nox- | haha | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 23:07 |
| * nox- sometimes gets backscatter with nonexisting usernames... | 23:07 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, but same password | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I couldn't ditch the incoming emails over smtp fast enough for them to not accumulate. | 23:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Even after writing a custom 'MTA' | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | explains the youtube detetcted suspicous activity on your account | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 23:08 |
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| nox- | oh dear.... | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should report this incident to... err cert? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sony? | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | CNN? | 23:09 |
| nox- | haha | 23:09 |
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| trx | cern :) | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuke it with black holes! | 23:10 |
| trx | :P | 23:10 |
| nox- | *g* | 23:10 |
| xnt14 | MohammadAG, your gmail account was hacked? | 23:11 |
| nox- | well if used the same pw as with sony and didnt chage it... | 23:11 |
| * xnt14 scrolls up... Oh. | 23:11 | |
| xnt14 | Hmm... | 23:11 |
| xnt14 | I'm glad I didn't buy anything off of PSN... | 23:12 |
| xnt14 | Yay for different passwords everywhere. | 23:12 |
| nox- | indeed | 23:12 |
| xnt14 | Now if only MohammadAG would wake up.. I needed to ask him something. | 23:12 |
| SpeedEvil | xnt14: He can't. He's off to the emergency room after suffering an erection lasting over 4 hours. | 23:13 |
| nox- | change even | 23:13 |
| xnt14 | SpeedEvil, hahaha... LOL | 23:14 |
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| nox- | hah | 23:14 |
| xnt14 | Typical MohammadAG. :] | 23:14 |
| xnt14 | xD | 23:14 |
| xnt14 | Although, I'm not sure why I used that emote in here.. it's an inside joke. | 23:15 |
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| MohammadAG | ah fuck | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | the number of accounts tied to that address is.... | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | I lost count after 50 | 23:19 |
| * xnt14 pokes MohammadAG and points to a channel. | 23:20 | |
| xnt14 | I think he's not responding due to lag. -_- | 23:21 |
| xnt14 | damn freenode. | 23:21 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, did anyone reply to the message? | 23:31 |
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