IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2011-05-09

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pupniko/00:04
pupnikbe strong, people00:04
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compengithis is a second time happens that the virtual keyboard stops to popout00:21
compengiit never happened before00:21
compengii use cssu version00:22
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: Iwarn you officially now, the 1.5th time00:30
DocScrutinizerpupnik: next insult will cause action to be taken00:32
keriohe's probably drunk00:33
pupnikok00:33
keriohe's been talking shit all evening on #liqbase00:33
pupniki'm very angry right now00:33
pupnikangry at the people who cause wars00:34
kerioalso his back hurts00:34
pupnikyou should see my fists00:34
pupnikthey are so fast00:35
Venemopoor pupnik :(00:35
pupnikcome visit me Venemo00:35
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Venemopupnik, I'm not comfortable around angry people00:35
pupnikyou're an ok guy, i think... maybe confused00:36
GAN900pupnik, hush now. :P00:36
pupnikbombs are lame GAN90000:37
compengivery weird00:37
GAN900pupnik, yes, but OT here if there've been complaints.00:38
DocScrutinizerack!00:38
DocScrutinizerwas pondering how to say it00:38
pupniki'm just saying i do NOT make bombs... that's LAME.00:38
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jacekowskii made a bombs myself00:39
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jacekowskinot as efficient as i expected00:39
jacekowskibut it was very neat project00:39
kerioDocScrutinizer: you did nothing there00:39
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keriooh, there you go00:39
jacekowskibut hydrogen+oxygen reaction wasn't as powerfull as i wanted it to be00:39
DocScrutinizerpupnik: another 12h do get sober00:40
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keriojacekowski: it made water?00:40
jacekowskiyeah00:40
keriosee that's your problem00:40
jacekowskibut hydrogen and oxygen is used to propel rockets and stuff00:41
kerioyou should've gotten for hydrogen + hydrogen00:41
jacekowskii had H + H + O00:41
jacekowskimost explosive mix00:41
kerioremove the O00:41
keriogo for H + H => He00:41
Venemohahah00:41
BCMMjacekowski: you had monatomic hydrogen?00:42
jacekowskiBCMM: for couple seconds00:42
jacekowskiduring reaction00:42
jacekowskiwell maybe milliseconds00:42
jacekowskii'm not sure how long it takes for it to recombine00:42
SpeedEvilISTR it's of the order of the mean free path time00:43
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SpeedEvilWhich is a few nanoseconds at STP IIRC00:43
jacekowskibut it's still explosive00:44
jacekowskibut not enough00:44
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jacekowskii think they have it at much higher pressure than i did00:44
SpeedEvilTake liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen, and then blend them.00:44
jacekowskiin liquid form00:44
SpeedEvilWhere di you get your H2 and O2 from00:44
jacekowskii had them in gas form00:44
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: water00:45
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SpeedEvilMade how?00:45
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SpeedEvilWith what lectrodes?00:45
jacekowskielectricity00:45
jacekowskidon't remember now00:45
jacekowskii think i've tried copper00:45
SpeedEvilPlatinised nioibum is the shizzle.00:45
jacekowskiand steel00:45
jacekowskiand aluminium00:45
SpeedEvilYou may in some cases get almost no O, as that will react with the electrode.00:46
jacekowskialuminium should be ok00:46
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DocScrutinizernot at all00:46
jacekowskianyways it did blow up00:47
jacekowskimade a loud bang00:47
jacekowskibut not big enough to blow up my school00:47
DocScrutinizeraluminium tends to build up a passivating protective coat of AlO2(?) even at plain air00:47
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Venemojacekowski :D:D:D00:48
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: yeah and then it's not oxidising anymore00:48
DocScrutinizerbut that coating is instable00:48
DocScrutinizerand probably isolating00:48
DocScrutinizerI'd think Al could be fine for the hydrogen, but probably not for the oxigen00:49
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you know Al is oxidizing like mad at seaside?00:52
SpeedEvilhttp://www.ti-shop.com/ti-anodes-electrodes/pt-ti-anode-electrode/1micron-pt-ti-rod-anode/1mm-dia-1-m-pt-ti-rod-anode.html00:53
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Sazpaimonwhats a decent n900 screen protector00:56
Sazpaimonnot too rubbery, makes scratches less noticable, you know the deal00:57
kerioSazpaimon: a slab of steel, 8 inches wide00:57
kerioit'll protect the screen00:57
Sazpaimonherp00:57
Venemolol kerio00:58
SpeedEvilI got a pack of 10 cheap ones - working for me.00:59
jacekowskii have insurance01:00
Sazpaimondoes it work well with the stylus and touch?01:00
jacekowskiinsurance with my bak account01:00
jacekowskibank*01:00
jacekowskiit works out cheaper than screen protectors01:00
SpeedEvilWould never work out for me.01:00
SpeedEvilConsider also that if the n900 bites it, at some point in the near future, you won't get a repair.01:01
SpeedEvilI destroy protectors quite regularly.01:01
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DocScrutinizerdangergrrl: please excuse the offense, I wasn't monitoring the chan back when01:11
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kerios/w/t/01:13
DocScrutinizerkerio: there's some timeout01:14
keriowhat timeout?01:15
kerioi was correcting you01:15
DocScrutinizerooh01:15
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DocScrutinizerand you're sure about that?01:16
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keriono01:19
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DocScrutinizerhttp://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/mcgraw-tim/back-when-13621.html01:20
DocScrutinizeror meant you to say it's "tasn't" instead of "wasn't"01:21
kerioDocScrutinizer: of course i did01:21
kerioregular expressions are deterministic01:21
DocScrutinizerI tasn't - that sounds like nonsense to me01:22
DocScrutinizermaybe it should've been "I weren't"01:23
DocScrutinizernevermind, I got too old 23min ago01:23
keriois it your birthday?01:23
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DocScrutinizernevermind01:52
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cityLightshi all02:17
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cityLightscan I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time02:17
cityLightsnot only once02:17
cityLightsmy code: http://dpaste.com/540186/02:17
cityLightsI reffer to line 2302:18
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cityLightssorry 3202:18
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dangergrrlDocScrutinizer: no offense, figured you would see the highlight later :)03:00
DocScrutinizerhighlight?03:01
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DocScrutinizeraah, fmtx. yw03:01
DocScrutinizerI meant pupnik03:02
dangergrrli know it works now i just have to wire it up03:03
dangergrrlrode to harbor freight and back think i  rode like 70 miles03:08
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GeneralAntillesMore confusing social networking services.04:11
GeneralAntillesMakes me feel old.04:11
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DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: believe me, that's relative. And as long as it's only a feeling...04:42
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iluminator101how do import holiday calender into n900 main calender05:13
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cityLightscan I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time06:51
cityLightsmy code: http://dpaste.com/540186/06:52
cityLightsin line 32 I hook the signal06:52
cityLightsbut get it just once06:52
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krayoncityLights: Only speculation but some environments require you to re-hook every call.  I have no idea about this however.07:49
doc|homeis there any word on a replacement for the n900?07:51
dm8tbrnokia promised to bring out their maemo6^wMeeGo device still this year...07:52
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* timeless_xchat sighs10:18
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timeless_xchatoh, in case people didn't notice, i'm no longer @nokia10:19
chxsad :(10:19
* timeless_xchat needs to file a bug about mfe10:19
chxwhat's mfe?10:19
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chxMail For Exchange?10:19
timeless_xchatyes10:20
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mecetimeless_xchat, so what do you do now?10:23
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chxtimeless_xchat: WebOS maybe :) ?10:26
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timeless_xchatmece: sit around Wayne's coffee10:27
timeless_xchatchx: i'm joining RIM actually10:28
chxWOW10:28
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timeless_xchatbut right now i'm syncing my n900 to gmail10:28
* timeless_xchat gently pokes MfE10:30
timeless_xchatit has synced mail, seems to be done w/ calendar, but hasn't started address book...10:31
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timeless_xchatanyway, i'm going to MeeGo conference, so i'll see people there10:32
timeless_xchatafterwards, i'm pretty much going to disappear10:32
timeless_xchatit's been a fun ride10:32
timeless_xchatand i'll miss the people from #maemo10:32
chxso is thee rumor true that MS buys RIM?10:33
timeless_xchatdunno10:33
timeless_xchati'm not working for rim yet10:33
timeless_xchatso i'm pretty much ignoring any news about it10:34
chxheh10:34
timeless_xchattoo much stress10:34
timeless_xchati need to focus on selling my apartment10:34
chxoh you are moving as well?10:34
timeless_xchatnote that i won't be working on blackberry10:34
timeless_xchatyep10:34
* timeless_xchat is going to toronto 10:34
timeless_xchatwoohoo, sync is almost done!10:35
timeless_xchatgrr10:35
chxoh immigration?10:35
timeless_xchatsync is done - #UIfail10:36
chxi sympathise with that i did it in 200810:36
chxsize down to three (and a half) suitcases10:36
chxand go.10:36
timeless_xchatnah, this includes a relocation package10:37
timeless_xchatmy biggest task after selling my apartment is inventoring for shipping insurance10:37
timeless_xchatwhich will involve (literally) counting shot glasses10:37
timeless_xchathrm, anyone here try the j2me gmail app on their n900?10:39
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timeless_xchatgrr10:42
timeless_xchatException in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/microedition/midlet/MIDlet10:43
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cityLightsI hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus10:51
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cityLightsbut this is only called once, why?10:51
cityLightsI hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus10:52
cityLightsbut this is only called once, why?10:52
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dm8tbrstop repeating yourself, stop repeating yourself10:52
timeless_xchatdm8tbr++10:53
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cityLightsdm8tbr: sorry10:57
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cityLightshad a few disconections here10:57
cityLightsand didnt see an answer10:57
cityLightsI guess I need to wait10:58
dm8tbryep, most likely10:58
timeless_xchatso, the actual dbus hook you used would be worth mentioning10:58
timeless_xchator your code (pastebin ), or a ref to the docs you're reading..10:58
cityLightsyes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7287610:59
cityLightsI published this as it works , but it is not finished11:00
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timeless_xchatso you mean the dbChanged thing?11:03
timeless_xchati'd try dbus-monitor11:03
* timeless_xchat kicks java11:03
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cityLightstimeless_xchat: thanks a lot11:05
cityLightsdo you mean the dbus monitor program11:06
cityLightsI have the msg of the calender change11:06
cityLightsand I do catch the signal pnce11:06
cityLightsonce11:06
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cityLightsneed I end the main loop and restart it?11:06
timeless_xchateep11:08
timeless_xchatyour 'start' method is confused11:08
cityLightseep?11:08
timeless_xchatit's mixing control flow logic11:08
timeless_xchatwith ui logic11:08
timeless_xchatsplit it into "update_ui"11:09
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timeless_xchatand "event_loop"11:09
timeless_xchatthe __main__ would call both11:09
cityLightsbut the start() has no UI in it11:10
timeless_xchatbut i'm pretty sure you want everyone else to just call "update_ui"11:10
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timeless_xchatthe active user profile is a "ui"11:10
timeless_xchatit isn't *your* ui, but it is a ui11:10
cityLightso ok11:10
cityLightspls show me what you mean11:11
cityLightsI also need to add a UI to run this11:11
cityLightsand I am new to pygtk , but it seems easy11:11
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Termanagood morning11:12
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cityLightshi11:12
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timeless_xchathttp://pastebin.mozilla.org/122152711:15
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timeless_xchatit /looks/ like you were nesting event loops11:17
timeless_xchatwhich is unlikely to do the right thing11:17
cityLightswhen the calender is changed, I need to terminate all and restart11:17
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cityLightsso I need self.loop.quit() at the start of calender_chaged()?11:18
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timeless_xchaterr11:20
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timeless_xchatwow11:22
timeless_xchati think i might have gmail working11:22
cityLightswhat is all the noise about?11:22
cityLightseveryone has gmail - no?11:22
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timeless_xchatthe java version?11:23
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timeless_xchatgmail has about a dozen ui's11:23
timeless_xchatx, h, ui=2 (+buzz)11:23
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timeless_xchatpop, imap, mfe11:24
timeless_xchatjava11:24
cityLightso ok11:24
timeless_xchat+ iOS11:24
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* timeless_xchat is probably missing a couple 11:24
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timeless_xchatof course microemulator is available from the repos....11:30
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edheldiltimeless_xchat:  there are slight differences, though11:34
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edheldili.e. some app working on dumb phones does not work in Microemu11:35
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dashavoo:q11:36
dashavooah shit, sorry11:36
dashavooI wanted to close my screen session... not awake yet... thought it was vim11:36
timeless_xchatheh11:37
timeless_xchatedheldil: well... something is better than nothing11:37
timeless_xchatand something someone else packages is better than me wasting time packaging11:38
timeless_xchati don't suppose you can suggest some apps that work?11:39
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edheldilI have tried only one app I was interested in and it did not work (due to loading gauge), but I have not (yet) bothered to try deleting it and recompile11:41
MohammadAGsigh11:43
timeless_xchatgmail doesn't seem to load11:44
MohammadAGno one knows what curly brackets in curl means11:44
timeless_xchatgmaps gets stuck @license screen11:44
timeless_xchatmohammadag: ?11:44
meceMohammadAG, LOL11:44
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MohammadAGtimeless_xchat, something like curl -F variable={variableX=value, variableY=value}11:44
timeless_xchat-sh: curl: not found11:45
timeless_xchat:)11:45
meceMohammadAG, is there a question in there somewhere?11:46
timeless_xchatbraces are often handled by shells11:46
Corsacand my curl manpage doesn't have anything about braces in -F paragraph11:46
MohammadAGnot if they're in between quotes (which I forgot above)11:46
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MohammadAGhmm, I'm surprised that qxmpp has headers but no .so files11:47
MohammadAGis that even possible?11:47
timeless_xchatooh, i should use hermes!11:48
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* timeless_w7ip kicks icd2 + hermes12:07
timeless_w7iphermes forces a network connection12:07
timeless_w7ipif it doesn't get a connection, it asks again12:08
timeless_w7ipand it keeps asking until you kill it12:08
timeless_w7ipand if you're stupid enough to try to go offline, you get pestered to go online12:08
timeless_w7ipand that dialog seems to be system modal12:09
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MohammadAGtimeless_w7ip, same happens with the media player12:12
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jacekowskisame happens with anything12:28
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jacekowskii've had gps do it12:29
jacekowskiwhen i was abroad12:29
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jacekowskiin my pocket12:29
jacekowskii've ended up paying quite a bit roaming charges12:29
edheldilthe reliance on network connection is ugly, especially with gps :/12:29
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timeless_w7ipmedia player?! why!?!!12:44
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mer_geis there lightning for icedove in easy debian?12:55
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khertanMorning13:00
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MohammadAGtimeless_w7ip, no idea, but it annoyed me a lot at one point I switched to mplayer that day13:21
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timeless_w7ipheh13:23
* timeless_w7ip sighs13:23
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timeless_w7ipit keeps rolling me over onto http instead of https13:23
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MohammadAGso switch to https in settings?13:23
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chem|stmorning13:24
MikaTMohammadAG: mediaplayer does not need network connection by itself. Have you by any chance used some Last.FM scrobbler or some other MAFW plugin that wants the connection?13:24
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MohammadAGNot sure MikaT13:25
MohammadAGprobably yeah13:26
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MikaTThat might be it. I use mafw-lastfm and works without connection too. I think it has a cache and spits all the scrobbled tracks when the device is in network afterwards.13:28
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DocScrutinizertimeless_w7ip: hi!13:38
DocScrutinizerI deplore to hear you stopped working for Nokia/maemo13:39
DocScrutinizerbut then...13:40
DocScrutinizerwhen's your NDA expiring?13:40
DocScrutinizermoin chem|st13:41
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timeless_w7ipmohammadag: it keeps resetting to http13:43
timeless_w7ipand the settings actually claim to be using https13:43
timeless_w7ipafaict13:43
timeless_w7ipdocscrutinizer: yep. i resigned13:43
DocScrutinizertimeless_w7ip: actually I would think you probably mustn't work on crackberry for the next year or so13:43
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DocScrutinizerassuming you got a standard contract with Nokia13:44
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DocScrutinizerhmm, probably my freelancer biased POV13:44
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timeless_w7ipi'm not working on Blackberry13:47
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timeless_w7ipi couldn't find anything exciting in my contract13:47
timeless_w7ipwe did look13:47
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DocScrutinizertimeless_w7ip: normal employee's contract then. Freelancers tend to find some ยง in their contracts forbidding any knowledge transfer by excluding a number of jobs for next few years (or months)13:54
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DocScrutinizerin your case this might have been browser development for embedded13:55
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DocScrutinizermy question about your NDA was from similar POV13:57
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merlin1991I think I remember someone using hostmode on the n900 and also charching it at the same time, how was that done, or is that just wishfull thinking on my side?13:57
DocScrutinizer~hostmode-charging13:57
DocScrutinizer~hostmode-powered13:58
infobotrumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post92120313:58
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merlin1991thx Doc13:58
DocScrutinizeryw13:59
DocScrutinizertell me if it works for you13:59
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merlin1991or if it burns the device ;)13:59
DocScrutinizernah!!!13:59
DocScrutinizerdn't mess with things you got no clue, follow my advice, and nothing bad will happen14:00
merlin1991so I shouldn't use the press all buttons untill something happens approach? :D14:00
DocScrutinizeryou're free to do that, my instructions and apps/scripts always are fool safe to that degree for sure14:01
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DocScrutinizerand I always STRONGLY DISCOURAGE all things that might potentially do any harm14:03
cityLightsok, now that all you guys are here , I may get some help in design14:03
DocScrutinizerI STRONGLY DISCOURAGE to edit the involved scripts unless you know *exactly* what you're doing14:03
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cityLightsDocScrutinizer: hi14:04
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DocScrutinizercityLights: hi, and no - I'm no developer :-)14:04
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SpeedEvilI on the other hand strrongly encourage - but only if you take video for youtube.14:04
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SpeedEvilhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJgAmft2jI&feature=player_embedded - how to solar power your n900.14:04
DocScrutinizerand got no friggin clue neither about python nor about dbus14:04
cityLightsmy main loop in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221527 chks for a meeting then sleep untill then14:05
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cityLightsDocScrutinizer: ok ok14:05
cityLightsI am seeking advice about gobject and callbacks14:06
cityLightsis there anyone that can help me call a method while I am in a timeout event?14:06
DocScrutinizerI can help you ask smarter questions :-D14:07
DocScrutinizerpost a link to your pastebin, with a ref to the particular line, so others really know what's your problem14:07
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: the first paragraph in your post had me confused untill I spottet the double negative :D14:08
DocScrutinizermompls14:08
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DocScrutinizeryeah, I'm poor at writing good texts. My brain works like that14:10
DocScrutinizerthere's not really any double negation in there14:10
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: link to the article14:12
merlin1991it's a double negative to my twisted mind, where you go on about then plugging the charger -> if after -> not before14:12
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DocScrutinizerI doubt that'd be any easier to understand14:12
chem|stin english double negative form is not positive but more negative14:13
DocScrutinizerdo NOT apply 5V to N900 before hitting vboost14:13
cityLightsSpeedEvil: very nice idea that solarfire14:13
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I said it had me confused, I realized it after reading it for the 5th time :P14:13
DocScrutinizerdo NOT plug unpowered charger to the Y-cable when that Y-cable already is attached to N90014:13
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DocScrutinizerso there are TWO valid modes: either plug charger to wall, to y-cable, then plug in y-cable to N900 after hitting vboost14:15
DocScrutinizeror14:15
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DocScrutinizerplug y-cable to N900, plug charger to wall, then plug charger to y-cable after hitting vboost14:16
DocScrutinizerfirst variant is better14:17
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merlin1991the setup i have in mind is external hdd -> n900 -> tv14:17
DocScrutinizernp14:18
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merlin1991looking at the charcher script though is scary14:19
DocScrutinizerhehe14:19
DocScrutinizeryou must not look at the charger script ;-P14:19
trxhaha14:19
DocScrutinizerchem|st: link? ~hostmode-powered  Double negation? I know the diff from German to English and because of that diff never do that noways :-P14:21
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: double negation in german is boring, the fun starts when the twisted mind writing the text actually does triple negation :D14:22
cityLightsDocScrutinizer: ok , let me see if I took you advice:14:22
cityLightsmy code is here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/122161114:22
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DocScrutinizermy advice ? o.O14:22
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cityLightsI seek advice with line 3114:23
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merlin1991yep that last line is appling your advice doc ;)14:23
cityLightsI need to understand why it is triggered only once14:23
cityLightsand how to fix it14:23
DocScrutinizeraah, that advice, yeah excellent :-D14:24
DocScrutinizernow you only need to make sure this wasn't to me but to all knowledgeable users in this channel ;-D14:25
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merlin1991ping * ? :D14:25
DocScrutinizerplease anybody can you help cityLights with above problem ^^^14:26
merlin1991cityLights: so you only get that dbChange signal once?14:26
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cityLightsfixed: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/122161214:27
cityLightsI forgot to fix all of the places I was asked to use event_loop()14:27
cityLightsok, now its ok, but my problem is not solved14:27
cityLightsmerlin1991:yes14:28
* merlin1991 looks at new class based code now14:28
cityLightsI agree that I am getting the signal when I am in a loop14:28
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cityLightsso do I first need to loop.quit() in calender_changed() ?14:29
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cityLightsis there any more thing I need to fix so it will be easy to read?14:30
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cityLightsis he still drunk?14:32
DocScrutinizerdunno14:32
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DocScrutinizerwell, I hope infobot will tell him14:38
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DocScrutinizerplease PING me if he's going mad again14:39
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merlin1991cityLights: I think I found the problem14:41
cityLightsYES!14:41
merlin1991in calender_changed14:41
merlin1991you for some reason stop the mainloop14:42
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merlin1991taking from the pygobject docs: The quit() method stops the mainloop from running. Any subsequent calls to the run() method will return immediately.14:42
merlin1991hm wait14:43
cityLightsok, I added it as without it , this method is only called once14:43
merlin1991you do create a new mainloop on each call of event_loop14:43
cityLightseven if I change the calender twice14:43
cityLightsright14:43
DocScrutinizersounds weird14:44
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cityLightsI am new to gobjects so I ask14:45
cityLightsshould I kill the main loop and create a new one when the calender is chnaged?14:46
cityLightsthis has more to do with gtk then python14:46
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merlin1991there are a few things odd in your code14:47
merlin1991for instance, the timer_callback, why does it start the event_loop again?14:48
cityLightsmerlin1991: hmm maybe I dont need to restart the event_loop14:51
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merlin1991you shouldn't need to start teh event loop in the timer callback since it should be still running in the bg14:53
cityLightsmerlin1991: thanks I removed lines 104 and 106 and now its ok14:53
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merlin1991I'd get rid of the former line 113 in timer_callback14:54
cityLightshow to quit this program? is stop() correct? just self.loop.quit() ?14:54
merlin1991where you also start the even_loop from a call that came from the event loop14:54
cityLightsok,14:55
cityLightsmy second question is: is the design right: one class doing the work and one for the ui?14:56
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merlin1991I can't answer the second question, since I've never done anything but hobby work on my own :D14:56
merlin1991but about the quit14:56
cityLightshow should the UI know is the backend is running? should it keep its own self.running_flag ?14:57
merlin1991you should stop the backend event loop14:57
merlin1991-> self.loop.quit14:57
merlin1991and the gtkmain quit too14:59
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cityLightsthat is on the ui side15:02
cityLightsok15:02
cityLightsthanks a lot15:02
cityLightsthis place helps when one is too lazy15:02
merlin1991also to know if the backend is running15:03
merlin1991you're using python -> self.backend.loop.is_running()15:03
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merlin1991also I see you have a status funciton in the backend too15:05
merlin1991ps, never say you asked here because you're lazy some souls in here don't like that at all ;)15:05
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meceMohammadAG, ping15:11
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: indeed15:15
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DocScrutinizer~question15:15
infobotmethinks question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html15:15
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DocScrutinizerlazy==luser15:16
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: do you have your lart ready?15:17
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DocScrutinizerI got infobot doing that for me. She's good at lart15:20
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DocScrutinizerhowever cityLights is a funny fool, claiming he's lazy while he actually is quite interested in learning, and not at all asks for spoonfeeding solutions to him15:22
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DocScrutinizerreading smart-questions doesn't hurt anyway. I do it regularly, like twice a year15:24
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DocScrutinizerof course everybody tends to be 'lazy' in the way cityLights probably meant, but you better think twice about stating it, and also you better limit that habit to a reasonable amount15:27
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cityLightsI agree15:29
cityLightsbut when one invokes on concoring a new skill15:30
cityLightsone usually asks for googles help15:31
cityLightsand after some irelevent reading gets stock15:31
cityLightsthen I got a working skelaton , and become lazy15:31
DocScrutinizersure15:31
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cityLightsin the sense that I just need to go past a certain point , to continue working15:31
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cityLightsand this is where IRC is the best companian15:31
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DocScrutinizerthere's nothing wrong in asking more experienced developers to give advice15:32
merlin1991the only problem here is with me being "more experienced" :D15:33
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cityLightsIMHO15:33
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cityLightswhere should i ask next time?15:36
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DocScrutinizercityLights: here of course15:41
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cityLightsok , so I will wait for shapeshifter or other python developpers15:42
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renatoHi, Who I can ask to remove a broken package from the maemo repository?15:44
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade15:46
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renatoX-Fade, I have uploaded the new pyside packages but for some reason the i386 packages is broken ("Size mismatch"). Can you remove these packages ("pyside-1.0.2-1maemo2")?15:52
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MohammadAGwhere is X-Fade?16:05
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X-Faderenato: Maybe 2 builds have been running at the same time. Due to the way our caching network works, things break when you 'update' a file with something else.16:07
X-Faderenato: The quick fix is to increment the epoch and resubmit. I can clean the old version but it takes a long time for it to expire from cache.16:08
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LuisCarlosHi Everybody. Does anyone knows where is the config for HAM update interval? I do not want HAM to look for updates, I'd like to do it manually.16:26
* GAN900 catches up on the MeeGo/Maemo and Harmattan thread.16:27
GAN900What a mess.16:27
MohammadAGI'd assume updates are done by the applet16:27
MohammadAGremoving the applet should stop updates16:28
chem|stLuisCarlos: there is no thing as stopping it16:28
chem|stLuisCarlos: the interval is set in gconf16:29
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MohammadAG/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-notifier.desktop /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-updates.desktop16:30
MohammadAGone of those16:30
MohammadAGor both16:30
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chem|stMohammadAG: that doesn't stop the update but the msg, does it?16:31
chem|stLuisCarlos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check16:31
MohammadAGchem|st, probably does16:33
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MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/lib/hildon-desktop] > grep /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval *16:34
MohammadAGBinary file ham-notifier-status-menu-item.so matches16:34
MohammadAGBinary file ham-updates-status-menu-item.so matches16:34
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MohammadAGremoving the plguins disables updates all in all then, rather than delaying them for a long time16:34
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Arkenoi"Select connection" dialog is damn stupidiest thing in maemo UI. If there is NO connection available, a) WHY ASK b) WHY ASK AD NAUSEAM?16:40
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SpeedEvilOn a related matter - is there any way to say 'connect automatically only to this wifi network' ?16:41
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LuisCarloschemlst: thanks for the answer!16:43
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LuisCarlosCurious thing is that, now that I check, I changed that parameter a while ago, but still I receive update notifications.16:49
LuisCarlosMaybe, it is when I've removed/added a new repository.16:49
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jogais there some way to make the n900's camera appear as /dev/videoX on a remote host? gstreamer loopback or something?17:08
jogaie. I could use its camera as a webcam with stuff like opencv etc17:08
SpeedEvilWell - you can run opencb on the n900 in principle.17:09
SpeedEvilAlso, in principle, you could code a USB video driver.17:09
SpeedEvilThis would be quite handy.17:09
SpeedEvilHowever, I don't think such exists already.17:09
SpeedEvilUSB video class gadget driver17:09
SpeedEvilSo the n900 would appear as a UISB webcam17:09
jogaI don't have the time nor the skills to code such a driver right now :) I'm just trying to find simple and cheap way for a moving robot to see. I already found smartcam which seems great, but doesn't run on maemo (it runs on symbian/winmo/bada/android though)17:11
SpeedEvilThere should be no great problems getting opencv to run on teh n90017:11
jogait's not that big of a problem, I tried smartcam with my symbian work phone and it worked nicely, but the phone has a poor camera17:12
jogayeah I have it running17:12
jogaits performance is just not enough17:12
SpeedEvilI've also used mencoder to do something similar17:12
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SpeedEvilJust encode the stream to a pipe, and shove it over the network.17:12
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jogaor, well, it might be for fiducials, but I'm not sure if all the stuff I want exists for maemo17:12
SpeedEvilThere can be a fair bit of delay if you do that though.17:12
jogayeah that sounds the simplest, I have some vague memory of doing some loopback stuff with gstreamer which was kind of like that, but can't remember how17:13
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N900_VcfCardshello..:)17:31
N900_VcfCardstrying to find where under Xterm, i could see/modify VcfCards17:32
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GAN900PSN relaunching May 31st.17:58
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GAN900They must be working to 3 or 4 in the afternoon everyday to meet that deadline. . . .17:58
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GAN900"Yes, the service will have been down for 41 days, but we'll give you a free month for your trouble!"18:00
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RST38hGAN: Ain't you happy, punk? =)18:05
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GAN900RST38h, oh tickled. It's so much fun to watch.18:16
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BCMMis there a way to open a URL in the web browser, from the command line?18:35
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MohammadAGdbus18:44
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chem|stMohammadAG: the correct answer is "yes" ;)19:04
* RST38h moos at wazd evilly19:05
MohammadAGchem|st, lol19:06
RST38hwazd: what is with that extra pompous provider domain? =)19:06
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RST38hyahoo: http://gizmodo.com/#!5655514/want-to-know-if-the-fbi-is-tracking-you-look-for-one-of-these19:09
RST38hand the same gadget, disassembled: http://gizmodo.com/#!5799948/heres-what-that-fbi-tracker-looks-like-when-you-tear-it-apart19:10
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Corsachmhm, links don't work here19:12
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Corsacgizmodo.com redirects to .fr, somehow19:13
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GAN900Ron Paul's car? Classy.19:20
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Arkenoiwow, worth getting one for batteries, they must be expensive.19:25
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RST38hArkenoi: Should get yourself onto terrorism watchlist first!19:26
RST38hArkenoi: Hack CIA or something19:26
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ArkenoiRST38h, there is urban legend about KGB guys whining to a "target" asking to get their equipment (microphones and recorder) back because they are going to be punished for losing it :-)19:35
Arkenoilate 70s i think19:36
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jogaheh back in the soviets our car and home was tapped19:37
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jogain the summers when we went bacj to finland for a while there was a mandatory car inspection where they removed their devices, and sometimes left some wires hanging19:38
joga*back19:38
d1bha!19:38
Arkenoiwhy not remove it yourselves (and keep it)? :-)19:39
chem|stwho wasn't tapped?19:39
jogaI don't think they would have liked that19:39
Arkenoijoga: did you really care?19:39
joganah, I was a small child19:39
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RST38hArkenoi: Yeah, I know this one19:42
RST38hArkenoi: And it does sound authentic enough, ironically19:42
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DocScrutinizer51damn, a radio studio on wheels, for free, plus guaranteed audience. I for sure would get lyric19:46
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DocScrutinizer51"hey Marge, have you noticed thst blue van? You know that Lada with those two guys standing in our road all the time. Last night I've seen guys in a blue van watching that Lada"19:49
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RST38hDoc: Actually,there is a 70-80s joke about19:58
RST38hDoc: With KGB officer calling some dissidents during a home concert and asking them to pause, because he has run out of tape19:59
RST38hDoc: And the dissidents telling him not to worry, as they will give him their own tape to copy19:59
jaska:D19:59
DocScrutinizer51hehe20:00
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LarsNif the application manager has run into apt-get dependancy hell.  is there a link on how to un-stick it?20:41
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MohammadAGthe app manager ignores all warnings20:43
MohammadAGand can ruin the system20:43
MohammadAGI'm pretty sure it can't unruin it20:43
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LarsNalright then20:46
LarsNre-flash it is :)20:46
LarsNwell, going to start with some command line foo.20:46
LarsNif that fails then I'll reflash.20:46
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LarsNapt-get remove for the win!21:09
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Pillumhey, when trying to create a egl context on N900 all I get is a bad config on Pillum eglCreateWindowSurface21:19
Pillumthis is my code21:19
Pillumhttp://pastebin.com/ztLhUWqD21:19
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Vanadishai thar21:41
Vanadissomeone using symfonie on the n900 here?21:41
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Vanadisi'm encountering serious stuttering-bugs here21:42
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vi__yo21:43
vi__how can I re-arrange the icons in the menu of the n900? i.e. force them all to alphabetical order21:44
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RST38hhttp://images57.fotki.com/v139/photos/5/1738335/9557424/ipoo-vi.jpg21:45
jogaSpeedEvil, for the record, got it working hackily using "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=... port=..." on N900 and "gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! jpegdec ! ffmpegcolorspace ! v4l2loopback device=/dev/video0" on PC21:45
jogahad to try like three different video loopback thingies and hunt around the forum posts :)21:45
jogaafter that I can use for example the opencv facedetect sample and it finds the n900 as a webcam21:46
jogabut unfortunately reacTIVision didn't work with it, I'll need to check if there's some setting I can do with it21:46
jogaalso had to get v4l2loopback and gst-v4l2loopback from here  https://github.com/umlaeute21:47
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DocScrutinizerjoga: nice find anyway22:35
DocScrutinizerjoga: and I don't think it's particularly hackish22:37
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SpeedEviljoga: neat!22:54
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thomas_schhey I installed nitdroit without adding an entry for maemo in multiboot can I force booting maemo using flasher?23:40
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Sicelo_ thomas_sch... better not use nitdroid in the first place23:53
Sicelo_multiboot reportedly breaks devices..23:54
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thomas_schI like having android as my second os and up till now multiboot never failed on me (the one time it failed was my fault)23:55

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