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| pupnik | o/ | 00:04 |
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| pupnik | be strong, people | 00:04 |
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| compengi | this is a second time happens that the virtual keyboard stops to popout | 00:21 |
| compengi | it never happened before | 00:21 |
| compengi | i use cssu version | 00:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: Iwarn you officially now, the 1.5th time | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: next insult will cause action to be taken | 00:32 |
| kerio | he's probably drunk | 00:33 |
| pupnik | ok | 00:33 |
| kerio | he's been talking shit all evening on #liqbase | 00:33 |
| pupnik | i'm very angry right now | 00:33 |
| pupnik | angry at the people who cause wars | 00:34 |
| kerio | also his back hurts | 00:34 |
| pupnik | you should see my fists | 00:34 |
| pupnik | they are so fast | 00:35 |
| Venemo | poor pupnik :( | 00:35 |
| pupnik | come visit me Venemo | 00:35 |
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| Venemo | pupnik, I'm not comfortable around angry people | 00:35 |
| pupnik | you're an ok guy, i think... maybe confused | 00:36 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, hush now. :P | 00:36 |
| pupnik | bombs are lame GAN900 | 00:37 |
| compengi | very weird | 00:37 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, yes, but OT here if there've been complaints. | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack! | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | was pondering how to say it | 00:38 |
| pupnik | i'm just saying i do NOT make bombs... that's LAME. | 00:38 |
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| jacekowski | i made a bombs myself | 00:39 |
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| jacekowski | not as efficient as i expected | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | but it was very neat project | 00:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: you did nothing there | 00:39 |
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| kerio | oh, there you go | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | but hydrogen+oxygen reaction wasn't as powerfull as i wanted it to be | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: another 12h do get sober | 00:40 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: it made water? | 00:40 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 00:40 |
| kerio | see that's your problem | 00:40 |
| jacekowski | but hydrogen and oxygen is used to propel rockets and stuff | 00:41 |
| kerio | you should've gotten for hydrogen + hydrogen | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | i had H + H + O | 00:41 |
| jacekowski | most explosive mix | 00:41 |
| kerio | remove the O | 00:41 |
| kerio | go for H + H => He | 00:41 |
| Venemo | hahah | 00:41 |
| BCMM | jacekowski: you had monatomic hydrogen? | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | BCMM: for couple seconds | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | during reaction | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | well maybe milliseconds | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure how long it takes for it to recombine | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | ISTR it's of the order of the mean free path time | 00:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which is a few nanoseconds at STP IIRC | 00:43 |
| jacekowski | but it's still explosive | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | but not enough | 00:44 |
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| jacekowski | i think they have it at much higher pressure than i did | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Take liquid hydrogen, liquid oxygen, and then blend them. | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | in liquid form | 00:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Where di you get your H2 and O2 from | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | i had them in gas form | 00:44 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: water | 00:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Made how? | 00:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | With what lectrodes? | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | electricity | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | don't remember now | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | i think i've tried copper | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Platinised nioibum is the shizzle. | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | and steel | 00:45 |
| jacekowski | and aluminium | 00:45 |
| SpeedEvil | You may in some cases get almost no O, as that will react with the electrode. | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | aluminium should be ok | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not at all | 00:46 |
| jacekowski | anyways it did blow up | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | made a loud bang | 00:47 |
| jacekowski | but not big enough to blow up my school | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aluminium tends to build up a passivating protective coat of AlO2(?) even at plain air | 00:47 |
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| Venemo | jacekowski :D:D:D | 00:48 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: yeah and then it's not oxidising anymore | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that coating is instable | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and probably isolating | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think Al could be fine for the hydrogen, but probably not for the oxigen | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you know Al is oxidizing like mad at seaside? | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.ti-shop.com/ti-anodes-electrodes/pt-ti-anode-electrode/1micron-pt-ti-rod-anode/1mm-dia-1-m-pt-ti-rod-anode.html | 00:53 |
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| Sazpaimon | whats a decent n900 screen protector | 00:56 |
| Sazpaimon | not too rubbery, makes scratches less noticable, you know the deal | 00:57 |
| kerio | Sazpaimon: a slab of steel, 8 inches wide | 00:57 |
| kerio | it'll protect the screen | 00:57 |
| Sazpaimon | herp | 00:57 |
| Venemo | lol kerio | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I got a pack of 10 cheap ones - working for me. | 00:59 |
| jacekowski | i have insurance | 01:00 |
| Sazpaimon | does it work well with the stylus and touch? | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | insurance with my bak account | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | bank* | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | it works out cheaper than screen protectors | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Would never work out for me. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Consider also that if the n900 bites it, at some point in the near future, you won't get a repair. | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I destroy protectors quite regularly. | 01:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: please excuse the offense, I wasn't monitoring the chan back when | 01:11 |
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| kerio | s/w/t/ | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's some timeout | 01:14 |
| kerio | what timeout? | 01:15 |
| kerio | i was correcting you | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 01:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you're sure about that? | 01:16 |
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| kerio | no | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/mcgraw-tim/back-when-13621.html | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or meant you to say it's "tasn't" instead of "wasn't" | 01:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: of course i did | 01:21 |
| kerio | regular expressions are deterministic | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I tasn't - that sounds like nonsense to me | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it should've been "I weren't" | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevermind, I got too old 23min ago | 01:23 |
| kerio | is it your birthday? | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevermind | 01:52 |
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| cityLights | hi all | 02:17 |
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| cityLights | can I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time | 02:17 |
| cityLights | not only once | 02:17 |
| cityLights | my code: http://dpaste.com/540186/ | 02:17 |
| cityLights | I reffer to line 23 | 02:18 |
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| cityLights | sorry 32 | 02:18 |
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| dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: no offense, figured you would see the highlight later :) | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | highlight? | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah, fmtx. yw | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I meant pupnik | 03:02 |
| dangergrrl | i know it works now i just have to wire it up | 03:03 |
| dangergrrl | rode to harbor freight and back think i rode like 70 miles | 03:08 |
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| GeneralAntilles | More confusing social networking services. | 04:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Makes me feel old. | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: believe me, that's relative. And as long as it's only a feeling... | 04:42 |
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| iluminator101 | how do import holiday calender into n900 main calender | 05:13 |
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| cityLights | can I pls get help to anser a dbus signal every time | 06:51 |
| cityLights | my code: http://dpaste.com/540186/ | 06:52 |
| cityLights | in line 32 I hook the signal | 06:52 |
| cityLights | but get it just once | 06:52 |
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| krayon | cityLights: Only speculation but some environments require you to re-hook every call. I have no idea about this however. | 07:49 |
| doc|home | is there any word on a replacement for the n900? | 07:51 |
| dm8tbr | nokia promised to bring out their maemo6^wMeeGo device still this year... | 07:52 |
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| * timeless_xchat sighs | 10:18 | |
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| timeless_xchat | oh, in case people didn't notice, i'm no longer @nokia | 10:19 |
| chx | sad :( | 10:19 |
| * timeless_xchat needs to file a bug about mfe | 10:19 | |
| chx | what's mfe? | 10:19 |
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| chx | Mail For Exchange? | 10:19 |
| timeless_xchat | yes | 10:20 |
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| mece | timeless_xchat, so what do you do now? | 10:23 |
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| chx | timeless_xchat: WebOS maybe :) ? | 10:26 |
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| timeless_xchat | mece: sit around Wayne's coffee | 10:27 |
| timeless_xchat | chx: i'm joining RIM actually | 10:28 |
| chx | WOW | 10:28 |
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| timeless_xchat | but right now i'm syncing my n900 to gmail | 10:28 |
| * timeless_xchat gently pokes MfE | 10:30 | |
| timeless_xchat | it has synced mail, seems to be done w/ calendar, but hasn't started address book... | 10:31 |
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| timeless_xchat | anyway, i'm going to MeeGo conference, so i'll see people there | 10:32 |
| timeless_xchat | afterwards, i'm pretty much going to disappear | 10:32 |
| timeless_xchat | it's been a fun ride | 10:32 |
| timeless_xchat | and i'll miss the people from #maemo | 10:32 |
| chx | so is thee rumor true that MS buys RIM? | 10:33 |
| timeless_xchat | dunno | 10:33 |
| timeless_xchat | i'm not working for rim yet | 10:33 |
| timeless_xchat | so i'm pretty much ignoring any news about it | 10:34 |
| chx | heh | 10:34 |
| timeless_xchat | too much stress | 10:34 |
| timeless_xchat | i need to focus on selling my apartment | 10:34 |
| chx | oh you are moving as well? | 10:34 |
| timeless_xchat | note that i won't be working on blackberry | 10:34 |
| timeless_xchat | yep | 10:34 |
| * timeless_xchat is going to toronto | 10:34 | |
| timeless_xchat | woohoo, sync is almost done! | 10:35 |
| timeless_xchat | grr | 10:35 |
| chx | oh immigration? | 10:35 |
| timeless_xchat | sync is done - #UIfail | 10:36 |
| chx | i sympathise with that i did it in 2008 | 10:36 |
| chx | size down to three (and a half) suitcases | 10:36 |
| chx | and go. | 10:36 |
| timeless_xchat | nah, this includes a relocation package | 10:37 |
| timeless_xchat | my biggest task after selling my apartment is inventoring for shipping insurance | 10:37 |
| timeless_xchat | which will involve (literally) counting shot glasses | 10:37 |
| timeless_xchat | hrm, anyone here try the j2me gmail app on their n900? | 10:39 |
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| timeless_xchat | grr | 10:42 |
| timeless_xchat | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/microedition/midlet/MIDlet | 10:43 |
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| cityLights | I hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus | 10:51 |
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| cityLights | but this is only called once, why? | 10:51 |
| cityLights | I hooked my function to be called when the calender is changed and a msg appears in the dbus | 10:52 |
| cityLights | but this is only called once, why? | 10:52 |
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| dm8tbr | stop repeating yourself, stop repeating yourself | 10:52 |
| timeless_xchat | dm8tbr++ | 10:53 |
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| cityLights | dm8tbr: sorry | 10:57 |
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| cityLights | had a few disconections here | 10:57 |
| cityLights | and didnt see an answer | 10:57 |
| cityLights | I guess I need to wait | 10:58 |
| dm8tbr | yep, most likely | 10:58 |
| timeless_xchat | so, the actual dbus hook you used would be worth mentioning | 10:58 |
| timeless_xchat | or your code (pastebin ), or a ref to the docs you're reading.. | 10:58 |
| cityLights | yes: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72876 | 10:59 |
| cityLights | I published this as it works , but it is not finished | 11:00 |
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| timeless_xchat | so you mean the dbChanged thing? | 11:03 |
| timeless_xchat | i'd try dbus-monitor | 11:03 |
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| cityLights | timeless_xchat: thanks a lot | 11:05 |
| cityLights | do you mean the dbus monitor program | 11:06 |
| cityLights | I have the msg of the calender change | 11:06 |
| cityLights | and I do catch the signal pnce | 11:06 |
| cityLights | once | 11:06 |
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| cityLights | need I end the main loop and restart it? | 11:06 |
| timeless_xchat | eep | 11:08 |
| timeless_xchat | your 'start' method is confused | 11:08 |
| cityLights | eep? | 11:08 |
| timeless_xchat | it's mixing control flow logic | 11:08 |
| timeless_xchat | with ui logic | 11:08 |
| timeless_xchat | split it into "update_ui" | 11:09 |
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| timeless_xchat | and "event_loop" | 11:09 |
| timeless_xchat | the __main__ would call both | 11:09 |
| cityLights | but the start() has no UI in it | 11:10 |
| timeless_xchat | but i'm pretty sure you want everyone else to just call "update_ui" | 11:10 |
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| timeless_xchat | the active user profile is a "ui" | 11:10 |
| timeless_xchat | it isn't *your* ui, but it is a ui | 11:10 |
| cityLights | o ok | 11:10 |
| cityLights | pls show me what you mean | 11:11 |
| cityLights | I also need to add a UI to run this | 11:11 |
| cityLights | and I am new to pygtk , but it seems easy | 11:11 |
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| Termana | good morning | 11:12 |
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| cityLights | hi | 11:12 |
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| timeless_xchat | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221527 | 11:15 |
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| timeless_xchat | it /looks/ like you were nesting event loops | 11:17 |
| timeless_xchat | which is unlikely to do the right thing | 11:17 |
| cityLights | when the calender is changed, I need to terminate all and restart | 11:17 |
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| cityLights | so I need self.loop.quit() at the start of calender_chaged()? | 11:18 |
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| timeless_xchat | err | 11:20 |
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| timeless_xchat | wow | 11:22 |
| timeless_xchat | i think i might have gmail working | 11:22 |
| cityLights | what is all the noise about? | 11:22 |
| cityLights | everyone has gmail - no? | 11:22 |
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| timeless_xchat | the java version? | 11:23 |
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| timeless_xchat | gmail has about a dozen ui's | 11:23 |
| timeless_xchat | x, h, ui=2 (+buzz) | 11:23 |
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| timeless_xchat | pop, imap, mfe | 11:24 |
| timeless_xchat | java | 11:24 |
| cityLights | o ok | 11:24 |
| timeless_xchat | + iOS | 11:24 |
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| timeless_xchat | of course microemulator is available from the repos.... | 11:30 |
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| edheldil | timeless_xchat: there are slight differences, though | 11:34 |
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| edheldil | i.e. some app working on dumb phones does not work in Microemu | 11:35 |
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| dashavoo | :q | 11:36 |
| dashavoo | ah shit, sorry | 11:36 |
| dashavoo | I wanted to close my screen session... not awake yet... thought it was vim | 11:36 |
| timeless_xchat | heh | 11:37 |
| timeless_xchat | edheldil: well... something is better than nothing | 11:37 |
| timeless_xchat | and something someone else packages is better than me wasting time packaging | 11:38 |
| timeless_xchat | i don't suppose you can suggest some apps that work? | 11:39 |
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| edheldil | I have tried only one app I was interested in and it did not work (due to loading gauge), but I have not (yet) bothered to try deleting it and recompile | 11:41 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 11:43 |
| timeless_xchat | gmail doesn't seem to load | 11:44 |
| MohammadAG | no one knows what curly brackets in curl means | 11:44 |
| timeless_xchat | gmaps gets stuck @license screen | 11:44 |
| timeless_xchat | mohammadag: ? | 11:44 |
| mece | MohammadAG, LOL | 11:44 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, something like curl -F variable={variableX=value, variableY=value} | 11:44 |
| timeless_xchat | -sh: curl: not found | 11:45 |
| timeless_xchat | :) | 11:45 |
| mece | MohammadAG, is there a question in there somewhere? | 11:46 |
| timeless_xchat | braces are often handled by shells | 11:46 |
| Corsac | and my curl manpage doesn't have anything about braces in -F paragraph | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | not if they're in between quotes (which I forgot above) | 11:46 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, I'm surprised that qxmpp has headers but no .so files | 11:47 |
| MohammadAG | is that even possible? | 11:47 |
| timeless_xchat | ooh, i should use hermes! | 11:48 |
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| timeless_w7ip | hermes forces a network connection | 12:07 |
| timeless_w7ip | if it doesn't get a connection, it asks again | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | and it keeps asking until you kill it | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | and if you're stupid enough to try to go offline, you get pestered to go online | 12:08 |
| timeless_w7ip | and that dialog seems to be system modal | 12:09 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, same happens with the media player | 12:12 |
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| jacekowski | same happens with anything | 12:28 |
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| jacekowski | i've had gps do it | 12:29 |
| jacekowski | when i was abroad | 12:29 |
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| jacekowski | in my pocket | 12:29 |
| jacekowski | i've ended up paying quite a bit roaming charges | 12:29 |
| edheldil | the reliance on network connection is ugly, especially with gps :/ | 12:29 |
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| timeless_w7ip | media player?! why!?!! | 12:44 |
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| mer_ge | is there lightning for icedove in easy debian? | 12:55 |
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| khertan | Morning | 13:00 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_w7ip, no idea, but it annoyed me a lot at one point I switched to mplayer that day | 13:21 |
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| timeless_w7ip | heh | 13:23 |
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| timeless_w7ip | it keeps rolling me over onto http instead of https | 13:23 |
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| MohammadAG | so switch to https in settings? | 13:23 |
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| chem|st | morning | 13:24 |
| MikaT | MohammadAG: mediaplayer does not need network connection by itself. Have you by any chance used some Last.FM scrobbler or some other MAFW plugin that wants the connection? | 13:24 |
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| MohammadAG | Not sure MikaT | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | probably yeah | 13:26 |
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| MikaT | That might be it. I use mafw-lastfm and works without connection too. I think it has a cache and spits all the scrobbled tracks when the device is in network afterwards. | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: hi! | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I deplore to hear you stopped working for Nokia/maemo | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then... | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | when's your NDA expiring? | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | moin chem|st | 13:41 |
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| timeless_w7ip | mohammadag: it keeps resetting to http | 13:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | and the settings actually claim to be using https | 13:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | afaict | 13:43 |
| timeless_w7ip | docscrutinizer: yep. i resigned | 13:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: actually I would think you probably mustn't work on crackberry for the next year or so | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | assuming you got a standard contract with Nokia | 13:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably my freelancer biased POV | 13:44 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i'm not working on Blackberry | 13:47 |
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| timeless_w7ip | i couldn't find anything exciting in my contract | 13:47 |
| timeless_w7ip | we did look | 13:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_w7ip: normal employee's contract then. Freelancers tend to find some § in their contracts forbidding any knowledge transfer by excluding a number of jobs for next few years (or months) | 13:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in your case this might have been browser development for embedded | 13:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my question about your NDA was from similar POV | 13:57 |
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| merlin1991 | I think I remember someone using hostmode on the n900 and also charching it at the same time, how was that done, or is that just wishfull thinking on my side? | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-powered | 13:58 |
| infobot | rumour has it, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 | 13:58 |
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| merlin1991 | thx Doc | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell me if it works for you | 13:59 |
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| merlin1991 | or if it burns the device ;) | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah!!! | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | dn't mess with things you got no clue, follow my advice, and nothing bad will happen | 14:00 |
| merlin1991 | so I shouldn't use the press all buttons untill something happens approach? :D | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're free to do that, my instructions and apps/scripts always are fool safe to that degree for sure | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I always STRONGLY DISCOURAGE all things that might potentially do any harm | 14:03 |
| cityLights | ok, now that all you guys are here , I may get some help in design | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I STRONGLY DISCOURAGE to edit the involved scripts unless you know *exactly* what you're doing | 14:03 |
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| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: hi | 14:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: hi, and no - I'm no developer :-) | 14:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I on the other hand strrongly encourage - but only if you take video for youtube. | 14:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXJgAmft2jI&feature=player_embedded - how to solar power your n900. | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and got no friggin clue neither about python nor about dbus | 14:04 |
| cityLights | my main loop in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221527 chks for a meeting then sleep untill then | 14:05 |
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| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: ok ok | 14:05 |
| cityLights | I am seeking advice about gobject and callbacks | 14:06 |
| cityLights | is there anyone that can help me call a method while I am in a timeout event? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can help you ask smarter questions :-D | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | post a link to your pastebin, with a ref to the particular line, so others really know what's your problem | 14:07 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: the first paragraph in your post had me confused untill I spottet the double negative :D | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 14:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm poor at writing good texts. My brain works like that | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's not really any double negation in there | 14:10 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: link to the article | 14:12 |
| merlin1991 | it's a double negative to my twisted mind, where you go on about then plugging the charger -> if after -> not before | 14:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I doubt that'd be any easier to understand | 14:12 |
| chem|st | in english double negative form is not positive but more negative | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | do NOT apply 5V to N900 before hitting vboost | 14:13 |
| cityLights | SpeedEvil: very nice idea that solarfire | 14:13 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I said it had me confused, I realized it after reading it for the 5th time :P | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | do NOT plug unpowered charger to the Y-cable when that Y-cable already is attached to N900 | 14:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so there are TWO valid modes: either plug charger to wall, to y-cable, then plug in y-cable to N900 after hitting vboost | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | or | 14:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | plug y-cable to N900, plug charger to wall, then plug charger to y-cable after hitting vboost | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | first variant is better | 14:17 |
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| merlin1991 | the setup i have in mind is external hdd -> n900 -> tv | 14:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 14:18 |
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| merlin1991 | looking at the charcher script though is scary | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you must not look at the charger script ;-P | 14:19 |
| trx | haha | 14:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: link? ~hostmode-powered Double negation? I know the diff from German to English and because of that diff never do that noways :-P | 14:21 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: double negation in german is boring, the fun starts when the twisted mind writing the text actually does triple negation :D | 14:22 |
| cityLights | DocScrutinizer: ok , let me see if I took you advice: | 14:22 |
| cityLights | my code is here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221611 | 14:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my advice ? o.O | 14:22 |
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| cityLights | I seek advice with line 31 | 14:23 |
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| merlin1991 | yep that last line is appling your advice doc ;) | 14:23 |
| cityLights | I need to understand why it is triggered only once | 14:23 |
| cityLights | and how to fix it | 14:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, that advice, yeah excellent :-D | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | now you only need to make sure this wasn't to me but to all knowledgeable users in this channel ;-D | 14:25 |
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| merlin1991 | ping * ? :D | 14:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | please anybody can you help cityLights with above problem ^^^ | 14:26 |
| merlin1991 | cityLights: so you only get that dbChange signal once? | 14:26 |
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| cityLights | fixed: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1221612 | 14:27 |
| cityLights | I forgot to fix all of the places I was asked to use event_loop() | 14:27 |
| cityLights | ok, now its ok, but my problem is not solved | 14:27 |
| cityLights | merlin1991:yes | 14:28 |
| * merlin1991 looks at new class based code now | 14:28 | |
| cityLights | I agree that I am getting the signal when I am in a loop | 14:28 |
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| cityLights | so do I first need to loop.quit() in calender_changed() ? | 14:29 |
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| cityLights | is there any more thing I need to fix so it will be easy to read? | 14:30 |
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| cityLights | is he still drunk? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 14:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I hope infobot will tell him | 14:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please PING me if he's going mad again | 14:39 |
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| merlin1991 | cityLights: I think I found the problem | 14:41 |
| cityLights | YES! | 14:41 |
| merlin1991 | in calender_changed | 14:41 |
| merlin1991 | you for some reason stop the mainloop | 14:42 |
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| merlin1991 | taking from the pygobject docs: The quit() method stops the mainloop from running. Any subsequent calls to the run() method will return immediately. | 14:42 |
| merlin1991 | hm wait | 14:43 |
| cityLights | ok, I added it as without it , this method is only called once | 14:43 |
| merlin1991 | you do create a new mainloop on each call of event_loop | 14:43 |
| cityLights | even if I change the calender twice | 14:43 |
| cityLights | right | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds weird | 14:44 |
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| cityLights | I am new to gobjects so I ask | 14:45 |
| cityLights | should I kill the main loop and create a new one when the calender is chnaged? | 14:46 |
| cityLights | this has more to do with gtk then python | 14:46 |
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| merlin1991 | there are a few things odd in your code | 14:47 |
| merlin1991 | for instance, the timer_callback, why does it start the event_loop again? | 14:48 |
| cityLights | merlin1991: hmm maybe I dont need to restart the event_loop | 14:51 |
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| merlin1991 | you shouldn't need to start teh event loop in the timer callback since it should be still running in the bg | 14:53 |
| cityLights | merlin1991: thanks I removed lines 104 and 106 and now its ok | 14:53 |
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| merlin1991 | I'd get rid of the former line 113 in timer_callback | 14:54 |
| cityLights | how to quit this program? is stop() correct? just self.loop.quit() ? | 14:54 |
| merlin1991 | where you also start the even_loop from a call that came from the event loop | 14:54 |
| cityLights | ok, | 14:55 |
| cityLights | my second question is: is the design right: one class doing the work and one for the ui? | 14:56 |
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| merlin1991 | I can't answer the second question, since I've never done anything but hobby work on my own :D | 14:56 |
| merlin1991 | but about the quit | 14:56 |
| cityLights | how should the UI know is the backend is running? should it keep its own self.running_flag ? | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | you should stop the backend event loop | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | -> self.loop.quit | 14:57 |
| merlin1991 | and the gtkmain quit too | 14:59 |
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| cityLights | that is on the ui side | 15:02 |
| cityLights | ok | 15:02 |
| cityLights | thanks a lot | 15:02 |
| cityLights | this place helps when one is too lazy | 15:02 |
| merlin1991 | also to know if the backend is running | 15:03 |
| merlin1991 | you're using python -> self.backend.loop.is_running() | 15:03 |
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| merlin1991 | also I see you have a status funciton in the backend too | 15:05 |
| merlin1991 | ps, never say you asked here because you're lazy some souls in here don't like that at all ;) | 15:05 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, ping | 15:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: indeed | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~question | 15:15 |
| infobot | methinks question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 15:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lazy==luser | 15:16 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: do you have your lart ready? | 15:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got infobot doing that for me. She's good at lart | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | however cityLights is a funny fool, claiming he's lazy while he actually is quite interested in learning, and not at all asks for spoonfeeding solutions to him | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | reading smart-questions doesn't hurt anyway. I do it regularly, like twice a year | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | of course everybody tends to be 'lazy' in the way cityLights probably meant, but you better think twice about stating it, and also you better limit that habit to a reasonable amount | 15:27 |
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| cityLights | I agree | 15:29 |
| cityLights | but when one invokes on concoring a new skill | 15:30 |
| cityLights | one usually asks for googles help | 15:31 |
| cityLights | and after some irelevent reading gets stock | 15:31 |
| cityLights | then I got a working skelaton , and become lazy | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 15:31 |
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| cityLights | in the sense that I just need to go past a certain point , to continue working | 15:31 |
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| cityLights | and this is where IRC is the best companian | 15:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's nothing wrong in asking more experienced developers to give advice | 15:32 |
| merlin1991 | the only problem here is with me being "more experienced" :D | 15:33 |
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| cityLights | IMHO | 15:33 |
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| cityLights | where should i ask next time? | 15:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: here of course | 15:41 |
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| cityLights | ok , so I will wait for shapeshifter or other python developpers | 15:42 |
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| renato | Hi, Who I can ask to remove a broken package from the maemo repository? | 15:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade | 15:46 |
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| renato | X-Fade, I have uploaded the new pyside packages but for some reason the i386 packages is broken ("Size mismatch"). Can you remove these packages ("pyside-1.0.2-1maemo2")? | 15:52 |
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| MohammadAG | where is X-Fade? | 16:05 |
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| X-Fade | renato: Maybe 2 builds have been running at the same time. Due to the way our caching network works, things break when you 'update' a file with something else. | 16:07 |
| X-Fade | renato: The quick fix is to increment the epoch and resubmit. I can clean the old version but it takes a long time for it to expire from cache. | 16:08 |
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| LuisCarlos | Hi Everybody. Does anyone knows where is the config for HAM update interval? I do not want HAM to look for updates, I'd like to do it manually. | 16:26 |
| * GAN900 catches up on the MeeGo/Maemo and Harmattan thread. | 16:27 | |
| GAN900 | What a mess. | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | I'd assume updates are done by the applet | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | removing the applet should stop updates | 16:28 |
| chem|st | LuisCarlos: there is no thing as stopping it | 16:28 |
| chem|st | LuisCarlos: the interval is set in gconf | 16:29 |
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| MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-notifier.desktop /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ham-updates.desktop | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG | one of those | 16:30 |
| MohammadAG | or both | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: that doesn't stop the update but the msg, does it? | 16:31 |
| chem|st | LuisCarlos: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check | 16:31 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, probably does | 16:33 |
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| MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /usr/lib/hildon-desktop] > grep /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval * | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | Binary file ham-notifier-status-menu-item.so matches | 16:34 |
| MohammadAG | Binary file ham-updates-status-menu-item.so matches | 16:34 |
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| MohammadAG | removing the plguins disables updates all in all then, rather than delaying them for a long time | 16:34 |
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| Arkenoi | "Select connection" dialog is damn stupidiest thing in maemo UI. If there is NO connection available, a) WHY ASK b) WHY ASK AD NAUSEAM? | 16:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | On a related matter - is there any way to say 'connect automatically only to this wifi network' ? | 16:41 |
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| LuisCarlos | chemlst: thanks for the answer! | 16:43 |
| * Arkenoi wishes software updates could use FAM | 16:44 | |
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| LuisCarlos | Curious thing is that, now that I check, I changed that parameter a while ago, but still I receive update notifications. | 16:49 |
| LuisCarlos | Maybe, it is when I've removed/added a new repository. | 16:49 |
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| joga | is there some way to make the n900's camera appear as /dev/videoX on a remote host? gstreamer loopback or something? | 17:08 |
| joga | ie. I could use its camera as a webcam with stuff like opencv etc | 17:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - you can run opencb on the n900 in principle. | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Also, in principle, you could code a USB video driver. | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | This would be quite handy. | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | However, I don't think such exists already. | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | USB video class gadget driver | 17:09 |
| SpeedEvil | So the n900 would appear as a UISB webcam | 17:09 |
| joga | I don't have the time nor the skills to code such a driver right now :) I'm just trying to find simple and cheap way for a moving robot to see. I already found smartcam which seems great, but doesn't run on maemo (it runs on symbian/winmo/bada/android though) | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | There should be no great problems getting opencv to run on teh n900 | 17:11 |
| joga | it's not that big of a problem, I tried smartcam with my symbian work phone and it worked nicely, but the phone has a poor camera | 17:12 |
| joga | yeah I have it running | 17:12 |
| joga | its performance is just not enough | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I've also used mencoder to do something similar | 17:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | Just encode the stream to a pipe, and shove it over the network. | 17:12 |
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| joga | or, well, it might be for fiducials, but I'm not sure if all the stuff I want exists for maemo | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | There can be a fair bit of delay if you do that though. | 17:12 |
| joga | yeah that sounds the simplest, I have some vague memory of doing some loopback stuff with gstreamer which was kind of like that, but can't remember how | 17:13 |
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| N900_VcfCards | hello..:) | 17:31 |
| N900_VcfCards | trying to find where under Xterm, i could see/modify VcfCards | 17:32 |
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| GAN900 | PSN relaunching May 31st. | 17:58 |
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| GAN900 | They must be working to 3 or 4 in the afternoon everyday to meet that deadline. . . . | 17:58 |
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| GAN900 | "Yes, the service will have been down for 41 days, but we'll give you a free month for your trouble!" | 18:00 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Ain't you happy, punk? =) | 18:05 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, oh tickled. It's so much fun to watch. | 18:16 |
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| BCMM | is there a way to open a URL in the web browser, from the command line? | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG | dbus | 18:44 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: the correct answer is "yes" ;) | 19:04 |
| * RST38h moos at wazd evilly | 19:05 | |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, lol | 19:06 |
| RST38h | wazd: what is with that extra pompous provider domain? =) | 19:06 |
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| RST38h | yahoo: http://gizmodo.com/#!5655514/want-to-know-if-the-fbi-is-tracking-you-look-for-one-of-these | 19:09 |
| RST38h | and the same gadget, disassembled: http://gizmodo.com/#!5799948/heres-what-that-fbi-tracker-looks-like-when-you-tear-it-apart | 19:10 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, links don't work here | 19:12 |
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| Corsac | gizmodo.com redirects to .fr, somehow | 19:13 |
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| GAN900 | Ron Paul's car? Classy. | 19:20 |
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| Arkenoi | wow, worth getting one for batteries, they must be expensive. | 19:25 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Should get yourself onto terrorism watchlist first! | 19:26 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Hack CIA or something | 19:26 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, there is urban legend about KGB guys whining to a "target" asking to get their equipment (microphones and recorder) back because they are going to be punished for losing it :-) | 19:35 |
| Arkenoi | late 70s i think | 19:36 |
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| joga | heh back in the soviets our car and home was tapped | 19:37 |
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| joga | in the summers when we went bacj to finland for a while there was a mandatory car inspection where they removed their devices, and sometimes left some wires hanging | 19:38 |
| joga | *back | 19:38 |
| d1b | ha! | 19:38 |
| Arkenoi | why not remove it yourselves (and keep it)? :-) | 19:39 |
| chem|st | who wasn't tapped? | 19:39 |
| joga | I don't think they would have liked that | 19:39 |
| Arkenoi | joga: did you really care? | 19:39 |
| joga | nah, I was a small child | 19:39 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Yeah, I know this one | 19:42 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: And it does sound authentic enough, ironically | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | damn, a radio studio on wheels, for free, plus guaranteed audience. I for sure would get lyric | 19:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | "hey Marge, have you noticed thst blue van? You know that Lada with those two guys standing in our road all the time. Last night I've seen guys in a blue van watching that Lada" | 19:49 |
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| RST38h | Doc: Actually,there is a 70-80s joke about | 19:58 |
| RST38h | Doc: With KGB officer calling some dissidents during a home concert and asking them to pause, because he has run out of tape | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Doc: And the dissidents telling him not to worry, as they will give him their own tape to copy | 19:59 |
| jaska | :D | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 20:00 |
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| LarsN | if the application manager has run into apt-get dependancy hell. is there a link on how to un-stick it? | 20:41 |
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| MohammadAG | the app manager ignores all warnings | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | and can ruin the system | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure it can't unruin it | 20:43 |
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| LarsN | alright then | 20:46 |
| LarsN | re-flash it is :) | 20:46 |
| LarsN | well, going to start with some command line foo. | 20:46 |
| LarsN | if that fails then I'll reflash. | 20:46 |
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| LarsN | apt-get remove for the win! | 21:09 |
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| Pillum | hey, when trying to create a egl context on N900 all I get is a bad config on Pillum eglCreateWindowSurface | 21:19 |
| Pillum | this is my code | 21:19 |
| Pillum | http://pastebin.com/ztLhUWqD | 21:19 |
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| Vanadis | hai thar | 21:41 |
| Vanadis | someone using symfonie on the n900 here? | 21:41 |
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| Vanadis | i'm encountering serious stuttering-bugs here | 21:42 |
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| vi__ | yo | 21:43 |
| vi__ | how can I re-arrange the icons in the menu of the n900? i.e. force them all to alphabetical order | 21:44 |
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| RST38h | http://images57.fotki.com/v139/photos/5/1738335/9557424/ipoo-vi.jpg | 21:45 |
| joga | SpeedEvil, for the record, got it working hackily using "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! jpegenc ! udpsink host=... port=..." on N900 and "gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! jpegdec ! ffmpegcolorspace ! v4l2loopback device=/dev/video0" on PC | 21:45 |
| joga | had to try like three different video loopback thingies and hunt around the forum posts :) | 21:45 |
| joga | after that I can use for example the opencv facedetect sample and it finds the n900 as a webcam | 21:46 |
| joga | but unfortunately reacTIVision didn't work with it, I'll need to check if there's some setting I can do with it | 21:46 |
| joga | also had to get v4l2loopback and gst-v4l2loopback from here https://github.com/umlaeute | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | joga: nice find anyway | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | joga: and I don't think it's particularly hackish | 22:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | joga: neat! | 22:54 |
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| thomas_sch | hey I installed nitdroit without adding an entry for maemo in multiboot can I force booting maemo using flasher? | 23:40 |
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| Sicelo_ | thomas_sch... better not use nitdroid in the first place | 23:53 |
| Sicelo_ | multiboot reportedly breaks devices.. | 23:54 |
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| thomas_sch | I like having android as my second os and up till now multiboot never failed on me (the one time it failed was my fault) | 23:55 |
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