| sixwheeledbeast | Removable battery, hardware switches, having flexibility to switch OS or multiboot from sd, lots of reasons | 12:31 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | can you use nitdroid without multiboot? it's not something i have ever bothered with | 12:21 |
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| kirito | Nokia-N900:~# apt-get install kernel-cssu-bootimgReading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... DoneRecommended packages: multiboot kernel-power-settings usbip iptables kexec-toolsThe following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-cssu-bootimg0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.Need | 13:20 |
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| szilveszterdomot | sure it has to be multiboot and was looking at sailfish tablet but it comes withou app store and saw that is some red hat stuff and cost money for OS which i never see before i was only using debian and never red hat... yes you are right | 21:16 |
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| szilveszterdomot | yes thats why i told multiboot for mainstream TT:) | 21:19 |
| szilveszterdomot | I have no problem with andro and no problem with apple as long as i can look outside of the api if needed... So mainly my requirement would be few things keyboard, if possible stilus!!!, compatibibility one linux root and majnstream devices (native or multiboot) | 21:22 |
| Wikiwide | No, multiboot is not installed. | 13:04 |
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| KotCzarny | ~multiboot | 13:07 |
| infobot | well, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 13:07 |
| Wikiwide | ~maemo-multiboot | 13:08 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 13:08 |
| Wikiwide | I remember it in connection with having one device that doesn't work because of combination of multiboot, kernel upgrade and broken USB port | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | forget about multiboot | 13:09 |
| KotCzarny | if you dont have uboot/multiboot, then i guess upgrading to v53 should just work? | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though the SoC... well nowadays you have to be happy if your SoC *allows* multiboot | 14:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and then there once been (*DEPRECATED*) multiboot that flashed a new kernel from within the system and then rebooted the system into another system. Obviously something every normal MoBo manual warns you NOT to do regularly and only with very stable and secure power supply | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 23:35 |
| infobot | maemo-multiboot is, like, deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to put it even more concise and to the point: multiboot is a shellscript run by busybox, uBoot is a bootloader to load kernels and hand them rootfs pointers | 23:44 |
| Wikiwide | Well, I am using Nokia N900 for 7+ years, don't remember exactly. It's not exactly same device, but only because of accidents (like full rootfs on one, multiboot+kernelupgrade on another ) | 15:20 |
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| Kabouik_ | Not a single thing to reconfigure after resetting except the multiboot itself! | 06:19 |
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| sicelo | bootmenu is not deprecated. BM depends on in. you might be thinking of multiboot .. which is dep | 17:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and steer clear a 100 miles from multiboot! whatever you choose to install as second OS, uBoot will boot it fine | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | multiboot *will* brick your N900, sooner or later | 00:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ~multiboot | 01:04 |
| infobot | somebody said multiboot was http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 01:04 |
| Enrico__ | And what about multiboot-kernel-maemo and multiboot-kernel-power? Same way? | 18:53 |
| freemangordon | multiboot is deprecated | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~tell Enrico__ about maemo-multiboot | 23:17 |
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| LjL | uhm, does "multiboot-kernel-power" help me get kernel-power to be the default kernel in uboot without editing things myself? the description isn't clear | 00:17 |
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| Oksanaa | Is multiboot the one which increases chances of device being bricked? | 04:49 |
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| Oksanaa | It's all confusing. u-boot (lots of packages), backupmenu (potentially useful, auto-notices SD card?), multiboot (not good with kernel-power), recovery-boot, nitdroid-installer (not needed atm?), bootmenu and bootmenu-n900 | 06:34 |
| KotCzarny | ah, right. it was the multiboot that was dangerous | 13:06 |
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| KotCzarny | got any weird packages? (ie. multiboot) | 17:35 |
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| KotCzarny | did you have multiboot installed? | 15:10 |
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| Gryllida | How to enter the backup menu? Multiboot is installed | 15:42 |
| KotCzarny | and most likely multiboot is the culprit of failed update | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 15:51 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this factoid been defined after literally dozens of failed efforts to recover from a broken multiboot (multiboot is NOT uBoot!) | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | multiboot basically reflashes kernel on *every* boot, which is.. well what the factoid says: a *horrible* hack | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and obviously when you flash a new kernel, next multiboot will fail epically since it has no idea that kernel (and matching modules!!) changed, and so multiboot will flash something inappropriate or will throw random crappy errors | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Juest: multiboot? -->reflash | 16:03 |
| KotCzarny | you have multiboot installed | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 19:40 |
| infobot | i guess maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-07-09 Sat 14:53:13] <DocScrutinizer05> this factoid been defined after literally dozens of failed efforts to recover from a broken multiboot (multiboot is NOT uBoot!) | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2016-07-09 Sat 14:54:03] <DocScrutinizer05> multiboot basically reflashes kernel on *every* boot, which is.. well what the factoid says: a *horrible* hack | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~multiboot | 14:28 |
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| infobot | well, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 14:28 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 14:28 |
| jurop | no uboot (that will be next step someday, no needing for multiboot right now) | 21:40 |
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| Sicelo | exactly .. so that's where uboot comes in .. loads your kernel without reflashing each time (which i seem to recall is considered to wear the NAND fast .. which is why multiboot is/was considered bad) | 17:58 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | didn't nitdroid need the now obsolete multiboot? | 00:57 |
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| fladnag900 | How is multiboot obsolete ? | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | ~multiboot | 01:02 |
| infobot | multiboot is probably http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | ~maemo-multiboot | 01:02 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 01:02 |
| fladnag900 | :) nowayman i have tohave androidmaemo multiboot :D | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~multiboot | 16:35 |
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| infobot | hmm... multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 16:35 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HOWEVER! Now finally after FIVE years it occurs to me: multiboot is flashing a new kernel "endocrine" - why did nobody implement that into BM already? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should check how multiboot actually works, i.e. how it manages to flash a new kernel. Prolly it simply invokes the kernel-flasher package via apt-get install ;-) | 16:39 |
| Kabouik | or multiboot, it's very far | 06:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and steer clear of multiboot! | 06:20 |
| DerHat | now it shows only white nokia logo or if keyboard is open multiboot with no bootable option... | 17:40 |
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| DerHat | KotCzarny: i got multiboot installed | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~maemo-multiboot | 17:45 |
| infobot | it has been said that maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 17:45 |
| bencoh | and you can do everything with uboot entries (stop using multiboot ! ;) | 13:23 |
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| APic | Does „backupmenu“ use „multiboot“? | 13:24 |
| kerio | APic: stop using multiboot | 18:04 |
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| kerio | ~multiboot | 18:05 |
| DerHat | i found boot menu entries, folder is read only so i cant change them :/ also tryed chmod +r multiboot.d result is: "Bad Mode" | 02:29 |
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| DerHat | because, i cant boot maemo. just damaged system by installing multiboot | 18:01 |
| Sicelo | ~multiboot | 18:06 |
| infobot | well, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 18:06 |
| DerHat | Kot, multiboot still loading, but when i choose system there is only error | 18:15 |
| bencoh | meanwhile you can gather some doc about uboot, flasher, bootmenu vs multiboot and preinit :) | 18:25 |
| KotCzarny | i think he only has wrong params for multiboot | 18:27 |
| Sicelo | so Nitdroid still only works with Multiboot? No way to use it via uboot+bootmenu? | 18:41 |
| DerHat | just remember they wrote multiboot sux! | 18:51 |
| totalizator | Defiant: I have installed Nitdroid with multiboot years ago, upgraded to uboot and then fixed it (Nd) so it works - there should be a thread on TMO how to do it | 20:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | What ever you do don't install multiboot | 18:01 |
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| sixwheeledbeast^ | ~multiboot | 18:01 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | no not uboot, multiboot | 18:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Steven__: multiboot, put very basically flashes the device on each switch, uboot is fine | 18:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast^ | Sicelo: Exactly, also wanted to point out the issue with multiboot | 18:07 |
| antranigv | I have multiboot installed, now I have no idea how to load rescueOS :-/ | 15:11 |
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| sixwheeledbeast1 | ~multiboot | 15:23 |
| infobot | well, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot | 15:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast1 | best to use uboot not multiboot really | 15:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast1 | ~maemo-multiboot | 15:24 |
| infobot | maemo-multiboot is probably deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | 15:24 |
| freemangordon_ | however, as sixwheeledbeast1 said, use u-boot, not multiboot | 15:25 |
| antranigv | aw... I think it the standard nokia kernel, I haven't changed anything. I have Multiboot, it can show the kernel, I think. | 17:09 |
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