| *** larsivi has quit IRC | 00:00 | |
| piggz | MohammadAG: out of curiosity, for your fb client, do u use kqoauth and qjson? | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| SpeedEvil | ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////y | 00:05 |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 00:05 | |
| MohammadAG | piggz, qjson | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ??????? | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, give him a break, at least he's not posting viagra links | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how many @nokia.com addresses got those links | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it matter? | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | I should sent an apology email | 00:08 |
| MohammadAG | "Sorry, I had a PSN account" | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | "sorry, this was fake viagra" | 00:08 |
| *** piggz_ has joined #maemo | 00:08 | |
| MohammadAG | yes, I'm not getting money for affiliating them | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | xP | 00:09 |
| piggz_ | damn connection... | 00:09 |
| piggz_ | MohammadAG: ah, how do you do the oauth part? manually? | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | webkit piggz_ | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | QWebKit, I monitor redirection URLs and close it when I get the token | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | the login window is actually a stacked window | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | gives a neat animation trick | 00:10 |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 00:10 | |
| piggz_ | yeah, i saw a smimlar concept in the qml oauth example | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | closing the stacked window closes the whole app if the user hasn't logged in | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | I hate QML :p | 00:11 |
| piggz_ | but, in the ned i decided to use kqoauth in my app...seems to work well | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | "hate" is a strong word though | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | but my whole mediaplayer doesn't use as much memory as a simple qml app | 00:11 |
| piggz_ | MohammadAG: that must be why you dont use kasvopus....im still undecided between the two :P | 00:11 |
| *** piggz has quit IRC | 00:11 | |
| MohammadAG | piggz_, no, I use qml apps | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | I just hate writing them | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | too much ram and cpu usage | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hate facebook, google, sony, apple iPhone | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lemme get you a facebook account | 00:12 |
| * MohammadAG runs | 00:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course pukeaudio | 00:12 |
| piggz_ | DocScrutinizer: you wont want be using my latitude updater widget then :P | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and lennart | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | piggz_, I liked kasvopus btw | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | development was slow though | 00:13 |
| piggz_ | yeah | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | very slow | 00:13 |
| piggz_ | i _love_ twimgo | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | in 3 days I made a release | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | I also added checkin support, afaik only iPhone and android fb clients do that | 00:14 |
| piggz_ | yeah, that is cool, i need to update to try it out | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | and I focuses on functionality rather than looks | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | though i added animations in the latest version | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | focused* | 00:14 |
| piggz_ | does it have a menu ivon yet? | 00:15 |
| *** rd has joined #maemo | 00:15 | |
| MohammadAG | I'll add a photo upload w/ tag support soon | 00:15 |
| piggz_ | s/icon | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | piggz_, it always did, the first version didn't install it right | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | and I don't test my deb packages | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | I trust that I always get them right | 00:15 |
| piggz_ | yeah, i just uploaded my widget without testing it :) | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | (which I don't :p) | 00:15 |
| *** sq-one has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 00:16 | |
| *** FIQ has quit IRC | 00:17 | |
| *** sp3000 has joined #maemo | 00:18 | |
| BCMM_ | is it possible to use the AV port as a line-in? | 00:18 |
| BCMM_ | (on an n900) | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: alas not (stupid EE) | 00:19 |
| BCMM_ | electronic engineers? | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: your best bet is h-e-n and a audio card USB dongle | 00:20 |
| BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: heh, not as bothered as that about it | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh | 00:20 |
| vldcnst | to the right? | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry - was replacing keyboard motherboard | 00:20 |
| BCMM_ | DocScrutinizer: i mean, that sounds harder than moving the amp nearer to a computer | 00:20 |
| BCMM_ | whereas some CLI magic would've been easier | 00:21 |
| BCMM_ | thanks anyway | 00:21 |
| *** rd has quit IRC | 00:21 | |
| *** thopiekar has quit IRC | 00:21 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you can't | 00:21 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 00:21 |
| *** sp3000 has quit IRC | 00:21 | |
| MohammadAG | not even if you fake a fourth pin? | 00:21 |
| *** sp3001 has joined #maemo | 00:22 | |
| *** sp3001 is now known as sp3000 | 00:22 | |
| BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: you might be an IRC addict if you can't log off for that :) | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm just pissed as it would've taken sth like 4 components and 2ct on BOM, to make that work | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: line in is stereo | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | n900 hw can't do | 00:23 |
| *** piggz__ has joined #maemo | 00:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | any stereo line-in pins on codec are unused | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | bv | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | c | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | OM GTA02A8 should've been the first device I knew that was planned to offer line-in on headset receptacle | 00:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - I now have a working return! | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | nothing a soldering iron can't fix | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | just bit of wire and solder couple pins together | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | unless audio codec is bga | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - BCMM, it was the motherboard in my keyboard, not the motherboard of my computer. | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet it's bga | 00:27 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:27 |
| *** piggz_ has quit IRC | 00:27 | |
| *** piggz has joined #maemo | 00:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | never heard of anybody replacing his kbd's motherboard | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | It has three boards. | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | old IBM? | 00:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Trackpoint, main board-matrix, trackpad | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh those critters | 00:29 |
| *** piggz__ has quit IRC | 00:30 | |
| *** VoltageX has quit IRC | 00:30 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 00:30 | |
| *** jpe has quit IRC | 00:33 | |
| *** piggz_ has joined #maemo | 00:33 | |
| *** piggz has quit IRC | 00:35 | |
| *** c2pLaY is now known as c2p_ | 00:41 | |
| *** the_lord has quit IRC | 00:42 | |
| *** onen|openBmap has joined #maemo | 00:43 | |
| *** Kilroo has joined #maemo | 00:44 | |
| *** larin has quit IRC | 00:47 | |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 00:48 | |
| *** eijk_ has quit IRC | 00:49 | |
| *** etrunko has quit IRC | 00:51 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 00:52 | |
| *** croppa has joined #maemo | 00:53 | |
| *** c2p has joined #maemo | 00:54 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 00:54 | |
| *** piggz_ has quit IRC | 00:54 | |
| *** OkropNick has quit IRC | 00:55 | |
| *** c2p_ has quit IRC | 00:57 | |
| *** mc_teo has quit IRC | 01:00 | |
| *** chenca has quit IRC | 01:00 | |
| *** billmania has quit IRC | 01:00 | |
| GAN900 | Wow | 01:02 |
| *** GNUton-BNC has quit IRC | 01:02 | |
| *** onen|openBmap has quit IRC | 01:02 | |
| GAN900 | My WoW account from 5 years ago was reactivated. | 01:02 |
| *** BCMM has quit IRC | 01:02 | |
| joga | why? lost job and wife? | 01:02 |
| GAN900 | Man, Sony. | 01:02 |
| GAN900 | What the hell | 01:02 |
| GAN900 | Account suspension for spamming | 01:03 |
| joga | oh, you didn't do it | 01:03 |
| joga | ? | 01:03 |
| GAN900 | No, it's from the PSN compromise. | 01:03 |
| joga | meh :/ | 01:03 |
| GAN900 | Apparently those accounts had the same password. | 01:03 |
| joga | so now they'll bill you? | 01:04 |
| *** wmarone__ has quit IRC | 01:04 | |
| *** wmarone__ has joined #maemo | 01:04 | |
| joga | (I don't really know how wow subscription works) | 01:05 |
| GAN900 | the cc number on that account is dead. | 01:05 |
| joga | how can they reactivate it? | 01:05 |
| GAN900 | Dunno | 01:05 |
| GAN900 | Free trial? | 01:05 |
| *** KMFDM has quit IRC | 01:05 | |
| GAN900 | Use their own stolen cc? | 01:06 |
| *** _0x47 has quit IRC | 01:06 | |
| *** baraujo has quit IRC | 01:06 | |
| *** edisson has quit IRC | 01:08 | |
| *** c2p is now known as c2pLaY | 01:11 | |
| *** Smily has joined #maemo | 01:12 | |
| *** edisson has joined #maemo | 01:15 | |
| GAN900 | Gotta love children who think they're sticking it to the man. | 01:17 |
| *** GNUtoo|laptop has quit IRC | 01:18 | |
| GAN900 | Can't even get into the PSN to figure out what card I had on there. | 01:19 |
| jacekowski | i have card with low limit for that kind of stuff | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Where are you again - I forgot - USA GAN900? | 01:20 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, how the shit do you forget that? :P | 01:21 |
| GAN900 | Yes, Florida, USA | 01:21 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: I thought you were in the USA, but wasn't sure if it was the netherlands instead for some reason. | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Parity errors. | 01:22 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, yeah, I'm not entirely certain what card is on the PSN account | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I've come to appreciate the data protection act and friends in the UK. | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | and I can't find out from Sony. | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been annoying various governmental departments with it. | 01:23 |
| *** mirsal__ has joined #maemo | 01:23 | |
| SpeedEvil | For example, queries to the meterological office about costs of its data products to charities and other non-profits. | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | Non-profits, most of which don't meet any reasonable definition of the term. | 01:24 |
| *** LinuxCode has joined #maemo | 01:25 | |
| *** _nicolai_ has quit IRC | 01:25 | |
| *** liar has quit IRC | 01:25 | |
| *** Diod has quit IRC | 01:26 | |
| SpeedEvil | True. | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | ffs gitorious is down | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | or... not | 01:27 |
| *** Trizt has joined #maemo | 01:27 | |
| MohammadAG | nice, my x server's gone again | 01:29 |
| *** wmarone_ has joined #maemo | 01:30 | |
| *** wmarone__ has quit IRC | 01:30 | |
| *** rm_work has quit IRC | 01:31 | |
| *** mirsal__ has quit IRC | 01:35 | |
| *** mirsal__ has joined #maemo | 01:36 | |
| *** setanta has quit IRC | 01:42 | |
| *** lizardo has quit IRC | 01:45 | |
| *** mirsal__ has quit IRC | 01:46 | |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: what do you do to your X server, that it goes hiding? :D | 01:46 |
| *** rblank has quit IRC | 01:46 | |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 01:46 | |
| *** FireFly has quit IRC | 01:47 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 01:51 | |
| * GAN900 changes some passwords. | 01:52 | |
| *** rcg has quit IRC | 01:54 | |
| *** trbs has quit IRC | 01:55 | |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 01:58 | |
| *** Zucca has quit IRC | 01:58 | |
| *** Zucca has joined #maemo | 01:59 | |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, it read my email to maemo-dev apparently :P | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | lmao | 02:01 |
| merlin1991 | btw what do you think caused it, virus or rather hacked account? | 02:01 |
| MohammadAG | where would a virus be lol | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Was it a weak password? | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | no | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | nobody could guess it | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | and it was my password for over 7 years | 02:02 |
| nox- | not even bruteforce it? | 02:02 |
| Sc0rpius | judging by the headers | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | so this is related to Sony's crappy security on PSN | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | I'm sure of it | 02:02 |
| nox- | or did sony store pw in cleartext? :P | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | You share passwords with PSN? | 02:02 |
| Sc0rpius | it looks like somebody logged in to your gmail account. I first thought it was mail spoofing, that's simple, but no, the headers say it was an authenticated google account | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | nox-, I wouldn't be surprised if they did | 02:03 |
| zerojay | Sony didn't store their passwords in cleartext, they were all hashed. | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, so someone accessed gmail.com? | 02:03 |
| nox- | maybe thats the reason for http://i.imgur.com/gyqHh.jpg | 02:03 |
| nox- | :) | 02:03 |
| nox- | zerojay, ah ok | 02:04 |
| Sc0rpius | from an IP 81.22.169.238 | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | where's that located? | 02:04 |
| Sc0rpius | it seems so, and it was authenticated | 02:04 |
| nox- | zerojay, but the hash could be bruteforced if the pw was `waek enough' | 02:04 |
| nox- | weak even | 02:04 |
| Sc0rpius | there's a DKIM signature so it was an authenticated person | 02:04 |
| zerojay | nox-, I'm aware. | 02:05 |
| LinuxCode | MohammadAG, one of the Fedora Contributors laos had his gmail account hacked | 02:05 |
| LinuxCode | some time ago | 02:05 |
| LinuxCode | MohammadAG, and they sent emails via his account | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure who'd hack my email though | 02:05 |
| LinuxCode | any automated system! | 02:05 |
| nox- | yeah | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | LinuxCode, does he have a PS3? | 02:06 |
| LinuxCode | the amount of automated systems finding passwords, is hideous | 02:06 |
| LinuxCode | hmm | 02:06 |
| LinuxCode | this was a few months ago, so i doubt its PSN related | 02:06 |
| LinuxCode | but I can ask if ya want ? | 02:06 |
| LinuxCode | if hes around | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | if he's on irc why not | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | afaik the hacks on PSN started on March 1 | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | btw MohammadAG, if you every start to study, don't decide todo your homework for hte next day AFTER the lan party | 02:07 |
| FIQ|n900 | apr 17-19 | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, that's when they found out | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | April 20 | 02:08 |
| zerojay | MohammadAG, That's when it happened. | 02:08 |
| LinuxCode | MohammadAG, hes not online atm | 02:08 |
| LinuxCode | bit late in the UK | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | zerojay, yes, but the attacks started in March | 02:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | 00:08 | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, what lan party? :P | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | Wed May 11 02:08:55 IDT 2011 | 02:08 |
| FIQ|n900 | at UK, htat is | 02:09 |
| zerojay | Bzzzt. The stuff back then was people attempting to reverse the PSN protocols. Completely different thing. | 02:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | that* | 02:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | in* | 02:09 |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 02:09 | |
| merlin1991 | well at home here and we started around 15:00 and everyone has stuff tomorrow | 02:09 |
| *** Zuccace has joined #maemo | 02:09 | |
| *** Zucca has quit IRC | 02:09 | |
| FIQ|n900 | the attacks began on early march | 02:09 |
| FIQ|n900 | but there was nothing serious then | 02:10 |
| zerojay | They aren't the same thing. | 02:10 |
| zerojay | At all. | 02:10 |
| FIQ|n900 | just attacks | 02:10 |
| merlin1991 | true we should still be sitting here gaming like mad, but there's the fine line between stuff you should do / want todo compared to the stuff you actually do :D | 02:10 |
| zerojay | Those guys were sitting in #ps3dev reversing the SSL encryption on the PSN connection. It's how they claimed they found that CC data was being sent in plaintext. | 02:10 |
| zerojay | None of it was verified. | 02:10 |
| zerojay | All from about mid Feb. | 02:10 |
| LinuxCode | I bet since PSN is down, the world is a more prudctive and happier place | 02:10 |
| zerojay | Well, they did get Bin Laden. | 02:10 |
| LinuxCode | zerojay, lol | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | the IP is n Finland | 02:11 |
| Sc0rpius | hahaha | 02:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | my little brother (who plays CoD all the time) isn't that happy atm :D | 02:11 |
| LinuxCode | FIQ|n900, tell him to get a g/f | 02:11 |
| LinuxCode | saying that.... he probably just get bitched at all the time | 02:11 |
| LinuxCode | ;-p | 02:11 |
| FIQ|n900 | he is 12 | 02:11 |
| LinuxCode | FIQ|n900, so ? | 02:11 |
| zerojay | Ditch the gf, save your money and use your hand. | 02:12 |
| LinuxCode | when i was younger I never was at home that age | 02:12 |
| zerojay | Only way he'll stay sane. lol | 02:12 |
| LinuxCode | zerojay, haha | 02:12 |
| merlin1991 | zerojay: I agree with the staying sane part | 02:13 |
| FIQ|n900 | worth to say is that he, allthough playing fair, wantz aimbotz haxx0rs | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | I hate aimbots | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | ouch | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | ~lart aimbot / wh / whateverusers | 02:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | He attempted to force me to fix it for him | 02:14 |
| * infobot slaps aimbot / wh / whateverusers upside the head with a wet fish | 02:14 | |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, new version of sociality | 02:14 |
| FIQ|n900 | Well, I can just say that I didn't help him | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: what's new? | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | from -devel | 02:15 |
| merlin1991 | arf, I just ran the update from the nightly | 02:15 |
| merlin1991 | so -devel it is now? | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | photo album and single photo viewing | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | check photo albums, they're fun now | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I always upload to -devel | 02:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm conflicting distribution error on apt-get update | 02:16 |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 02:17 | |
| FIQ|n900 | i've got that for a long time now | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | and ham shows an empty list for catalogs, wtf? | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, blame psn | 02:17 |
| FIQ|n900 | uh | 02:18 |
| FIQ|n900 | protip: don't attempt to update your N900 packages through apt-get inside a SSH session to an Archlinux box | 02:18 |
| * FIQ|n900 is tired | 02:18 | |
| *** Tibux_ has quit IRC | 02:19 | |
| *** Tibux has joined #maemo | 02:19 | |
| merlin1991 | http://pastebin.com/Cei7jyAK save to ignore? | 02:19 |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 02:20 | |
| *** kW has quit IRC | 02:20 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo | 02:21 | |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I guess the dubious "facebook" app in my launcher is sociality? | 02:21 |
| FIQ|n900 | I like the solution to an "apt-get update" warning message | 02:22 |
| FIQ|n900 | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems | 02:22 |
| merlin1991 | yea | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | ffs I just RAN apt-get update :D | 02:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | I actually ran aptitude update | 02:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | But i guess that it wouldn't help | 02:23 |
| FIQ|n900 | s/n't help/ help as little/ | 02:24 |
| infobot | FIQ|n900 meant: But i guess that it would help as little | 02:24 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: single photo view (with comments) in portrait has wrong width | 02:24 |
| merlin1991 | also, pic still blink in before animation starts | 02:24 |
| merlin1991 | s/pic/pics/ | 02:24 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: also, pics still blink in before animation starts | 02:24 |
| merlin1991 | invalid with with album view in portrait too | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, not in notifications they don't blink | 02:26 |
| merlin1991 | oh they do | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | (which makes me wonder why they blink elsewhere) | 02:26 |
| merlin1991 | I open notifications | 02:26 |
| merlin1991 | see all pics | 02:26 |
| Kilroo | This is going to be entertaining. I wonder if I'll brick my n900 in the process of all these repartitioning shenanigans I'm planning to try tonight. | 02:26 |
| merlin1991 | then they go away | 02:26 |
| merlin1991 | and fly in | 02:26 |
| Kilroo | I believe I shall eat dinner first though so I don't end up realizing at 11pm that I'm starving... | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, when you open notifications it refreshes them | 02:27 |
| *** DrGrov has joined #maemo | 02:27 | |
| MohammadAG | when it refreshes them, it clears all items and adds them again | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | you don't notice that for text, only for avatars :p | 02:28 |
| merlin1991 | whatever it does in the bg, what I see is "wrong" | 02:28 |
| * FIQ|n900 has managed to both repartition his N900 AND get out of space in / | 02:28 | |
| FIQ|n900 | not the same time though | 02:28 |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 02:28 | |
| FIQ|n900 | / just shrank over time until it finally emptied with free space | 02:29 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: you always manage to provide a portrait mode, but forget to set the width in portrait for stuff :D | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, it works (tm) | 02:30 |
| merlin1991 | also noone going to comment on the apt-get warning I have besides "I have it too"? | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | I don't have it too | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | see what I did there? | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | right, I didn't do anything | 02:30 |
| Kilroo | ...I thought / was the part you pretty much can't do anything about. | 02:30 |
| *** rtyler has quit IRC | 02:31 | |
| FIQ|n900 | It wasn't a part of my repartitioning | 02:31 |
| *** rtyler has joined #maemo | 02:31 | |
| merlin1991 | Kilroo: you can have a bigger / if you sed the image before flashing the device | 02:31 |
| *** sleepee has joined #maemo | 02:31 | |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, no, bigger /home not / | 02:32 |
| merlin1991 | okay, I take it back, seems I messed up something here | 02:32 |
| Kilroo | merlin1991: I think I misspoke/misunderstood the reference. I thought for a moment the subject under discussion was the OneNAND or whatever the word for it is. | 02:32 |
| *** sleepee has quit IRC | 02:32 | |
| MohammadAG | we need a tmo client | 02:32 |
| * merlin1991 remembers that / is on a different flash than /user and bumps head into wall | 02:33 | |
| merlin1991 | sry about spreading fud | 02:33 |
| Kilroo | IIRC the technical term for running low on space on the rootfs is "SOL." | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | I even had a device where only the / flash worked and the other one was broken | 02:33 |
| merlin1991 | and still forgot about it :P | 02:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | my device survived! | 02:34 |
| FIQ|n900 | :D | 02:34 |
| Kilroo | One of these days I really ought to obtain either a usb host-mode cable or a bluetooth keyboard or something | 02:34 |
| merlin1991 | my first n900 had the non root flash cease working after I dropped it from about 1,5m | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, /home, not /user | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | <- filesystem nazi | 02:35 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I officially hate you now :P | 02:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | :p | 02:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | mis-interpreted that as /usr | 02:35 |
| merlin1991 | EVERYONE but the nazi knew what I ment :D | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, let's celebrate! | 02:35 |
| FIQ|n900 | didn't realise that /user sat under / lol | 02:35 |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 02:35 | |
| FIQ|n900 | s/user/usr/ | 02:35 |
| infobot | FIQ|n900 meant: didn't realise that /usr sat under / lol | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | everything sits under / | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | <- filesystem nazi | 02:36 |
| * MohammadAG hides | 02:36 | |
| merlin1991 | btw having a dead /home flash makes an interesting effect | 02:36 |
| BCMM_ | how can i go online/offline for IM from the command line? | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | I remember the time I forced a umount of / | 02:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | uh | 02:36 |
| BCMM_ | (alternatively, how else can i automatically log on and off at certain times?) | 02:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | what happened? | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | BCMM_: I bet there's some dbus stuff for telepathy there | 02:36 |
| FIQ|n900 | :D | 02:37 |
| merlin1991 | well, the phone did boot | 02:37 |
| merlin1991 | took the pin | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | Shit happened (TM) | 02:37 |
| merlin1991 | even was able to start browser for example | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 02:37 |
| BCMM_ | see, phone goes silent at night through the magic of alarmed, but apparently being "online" causes people to complain when you don't respond more than accepting SMSs does | 02:37 |
| merlin1991 | ofc it complained about running out of mem all the time due to no swap | 02:37 |
| * FIQ|n900 is tempted to try, but he assumes that Maemo is going to hate him then | 02:37 | |
| MohammadAG | the system continued working | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | but whenever it wanted to do something it errored out | 02:38 |
| BCMM_ | probably because most people can't tell if an SMS got through or not | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, umount -l / | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | I hope you don't corrupt anything :P | 02:38 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | I did it on my PC | 02:38 |
| merlin1991 | so yea, it worked as far as core functionality of the phone went | 02:38 |
| BCMM_ | also, is there any system for configuring a notification when a specific contact goes online? | 02:38 |
| merlin1991 | I think I could still call too | 02:38 |
| merlin1991 | but everything else didn't work | 02:39 |
| *** Smily has quit IRC | 02:39 | |
| merlin1991 | BCMM_: I fear you'll have to go over the telepathy docs for that | 02:39 |
| FIQ|n900 | btw, why do /home use journaling? | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, PC | 02:39 |
| merlin1991 | at least I know nothing on the ui side that would enable todo you that | 02:39 |
| BCMM_ | merlin1991: was hoping somebody else did, and wrote an application or something :) | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | Swap is always 0% on my PC | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | 4GB ram ftw!1 | 02:39 |
| * FIQ|n900 has 6GB RAM | 02:40 | |
| MohammadAG | fu | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | hehe swapoff on the n900 | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | and enjoy randomly closing apps :D | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | you'll get errors from hildon-desktop merlin1991 | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | Unable to launch application, not enough memory | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | you get errors from everywhere | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | nah | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+X | 02:40 |
| MohammadAG | and start showing it who's boss | 02:40 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 02:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | xterm ftw | 02:41 |
| GAN900 | Heeeey, zerojaaay | 02:41 |
| FIQ|n900 | or not | 02:41 |
| merlin1991 | hey browser did work, but I didn't get as far as using pastebin to save some stuff from xterm xD | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | osso-xterm isn't that bad actually | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | it needs keyboard shortcuts though | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+Shift+v to paste etc | 02:42 |
| FIQ|n900 | isn't osso-zterm open source | 02:42 |
| merlin1991 | it needs CTRL + Shift + Fn + B todo black magic | 02:42 |
| merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: yes it is | 02:42 |
| MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, it is | 02:42 |
| merlin1991 | there's even some xterm fix for something in the cssu | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | but I've said it many times | 02:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | yes | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | I suck at gtk | 02:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | light black | 02:43 |
| merlin1991 | or rather going to | 02:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | or was it dark gray? | 02:43 |
| nox- | merlin1991, you mean the return key bug? | 02:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | oh | 02:43 |
| FIQ|n900 | that too | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | that's vte | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | not the UI | 02:43 |
| nox- | ah true | 02:43 |
| merlin1991 | ah well osso-xterm is on gitorious, waiting for patches http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-xterm/commits/master | 02:44 |
| *** cyborg-one has quit IRC | 02:48 | |
| *** visz has quit IRC | 02:48 | |
| FIQ|n900 | hmm... | 02:48 |
| FIQ|n900 | i must go and compile my own version of the maemo version of xchat | 02:48 |
| *** cyborg-one has joined #maemo | 02:49 | |
| FIQ|n900 | so I can actually paste things | 02:49 |
| merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: what do you need from it that it doesn't offer currently? | 02:49 |
| *** visz has joined #maemo | 02:49 | |
| merlin1991 | ah :D | 02:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | more than 1 line | 02:49 |
| FIQ|n900 | that's really annoying tbh | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | i wonder how fast thunderbird would run on the N900 | 02:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | uhm | 02:51 |
| FIQ|n900 | Prolly not that bad, but nothing you would use daily | 02:51 |
| * merlin1991 wonders if quassel2go has proper multiline paste support | 02:52 | |
| FIQ|n900 | If i'm optimistic | 02:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | Even my old phone's client had it | 02:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | Mostly because writing opened a whole new window of text to write in | 02:53 |
| merlin1991 | ah seems like the quasselcore actually takes care of that | 02:53 |
| merlin1991 | yay | 02:53 |
| * merlin1991 goes to try on the n900 | 02:53 | |
| FIQ|n900 | Uh, but I use xchat at desktop | 02:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | and can paste properly | 02:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | why doesn't it work on N900? | 02:54 |
| FIQ|n900 | different input? | 02:54 |
| merlin1991 | the n900 is special ;) | 02:54 |
| * FIQ|n900 uses N900 as he uses his desktop | 02:54 | |
| FIQ|n900 | (minus desktop gaming) | 02:55 |
| *** Smily has joined #maemo | 02:55 | |
| merlin1991 | yep quassel2go works just fine | 02:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | hm | 02:55 |
| FIQ|n900 | I guess I can take a look | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | quassel2go is a n900 client for quassel | 02:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | but I prefer treebar over tabs | 02:56 |
| merlin1991 | http://quassel-irc.org/ | 02:56 |
| FIQ|n900 | Yes, i know | 02:56 |
| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/xchat.png - wfm\ | 02:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I would like it if it had pidgins channel-alias functionality. | 02:58 |
| *** SmilyOrg has quit IRC | 02:58 | |
| merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: that's about how my xchat looked before I switched to quassel :) | 02:58 |
| FIQ|n900 | http://i56.tinypic.com/11htrug.png | 03:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | I prefer black | 03:02 |
| FIQ|n900 | background | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG | same as my xchat | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG | I did have kinetic scrolling in userlist at one point | 03:03 |
| merlin1991 | hah now I know you're on quakenet too ;) | 03:03 |
| FIQ|n900 | :P | 03:04 |
| *** DrGrov has left #maemo | 03:06 | |
| *** Wamanuz2 has joined #maemo | 03:07 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 03:07 | |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG: did you post to n4g.com about the GMail hacking? | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, no, I'm not sure it's related to PSN | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | the IP is finnish | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, yeah, my very old WoW account got the same treatment. | 03:08 |
| *** Wamanuz has quit IRC | 03:08 | |
| merlin1991 | http://i55.tinypic.com/2jd2sk3.png | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | But there's an EddyD posting about it with your avatar. :P | 03:08 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://n4g.com/news/752319/psn-hacked-my-gmail-hacked/com | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: You don't have any NDAd material the hacker could release do you? | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, on my WoW account? *g* | 03:10 |
| GeneralAntilles | And, no, nothing from Nokia floating around. | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Been too long off the council. ;) | 03:11 |
| SpeedEvil | That's a relief. :) | 03:11 |
| GeneralAntilles | Thank goodness not much shared that password. | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, nah, not me :P | 03:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | Coincidence, then. | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | http://jonoscript.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/pass_hist.png | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | I find revealing. | 03:14 |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 03:16 | |
| BCMM_ | GeneralAntilles: great truncation there! | 03:18 |
| *** zap has quit IRC | 03:22 | |
| *** degggeard has quit IRC | 03:24 | |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 03:24 | |
| *** lxp has quit IRC | 03:25 | |
| *** Malin_ has quit IRC | 03:30 | |
| *** jani has joined #maemo | 03:31 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 03:40 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 03:40 | |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 03:57 | |
| *** githogori has quit IRC | 04:01 | |
| MohammadAG | I hate facebook | 04:07 |
| MohammadAG | they're breaking all apps by October 1st | 04:07 |
| * nox- just doesnt use it | 04:07 | |
| *** Vanadis__ has joined #maemo | 04:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you mean not allowing other than non-approved clients? | 04:09 |
| Kilroo | ...you know, if I'm planning on repartitioning the emmc anyhow, I imagine there isn't a great deal of point in also putting supplemental swap space on an SD card, is there. | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, something about SSL certificates | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/497 | 04:10 |
| *** vazel has quit IRC | 04:10 | |
| *** Vanadis has quit IRC | 04:12 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | this might only be related to apps that use JS to login | 04:12 |
| MohammadAG | oh well, I'll see about that in october | 04:13 |
| Kilroo | Febtober. | 04:14 |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 04:55 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo | 04:57 | |
| *** achipa has quit IRC | 04:58 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 04:58 | |
| *** maybeArgh has joined #maemo | 05:30 | |
| *** maybeWTF has quit IRC | 05:33 | |
| *** krayon has joined #maemo | 05:36 | |
| *** nox- has quit IRC | 05:38 | |
| *** swc|666 has joined #maemo | 05:45 | |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 05:45 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 05:46 | |
| *** pcfe has quit IRC | 05:46 | |
| *** pcfe has joined #maemo | 05:46 | |
| *** ponyofdeath has quit IRC | 05:57 | |
| *** bleeter has quit IRC | 06:02 | |
| *** BCMM_ has quit IRC | 06:06 | |
| *** c2pLaY has quit IRC | 06:15 | |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 06:29 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 06:32 | |
| *** Gh0sty has quit IRC | 06:33 | |
| *** pauly has joined #maemo | 06:33 | |
| pauly | anyone want to buy n900 with broken usb in usa | 06:34 |
| cehteh | again? :) | 06:35 |
| *** disco_stu_N800 has joined #maemo | 06:35 | |
| *** Gh0sty has joined #maemo | 06:36 | |
| pauly | yes | 06:36 |
| pauly | u never replied | 06:36 |
| pauly | cehteh hello | 06:37 |
| cehteh | i hoped you want to give it away for really cheap :P | 06:37 |
| cehteh | i am not in usa anyway | 06:37 |
| pauly | oh | 06:37 |
| *** disco_stu has quit IRC | 06:37 | |
| pauly | 250 usd | 06:37 |
| cehteh | i could use a 2nd device for spare parts, experimentation and software tests | 06:37 |
| cehteh | but i dont want to spend much money on it | 06:38 |
| *** disco_stu_N800 is now known as disco_stu | 06:38 | |
| pauly | i want to get galaxy s 4g 21 mbps down hspa+ | 06:38 |
| pauly | i like speed | 06:39 |
| pauly | lol | 06:39 |
| pauly | is 250 usd to much | 06:39 |
| cehteh | yes | 06:42 |
| cehteh | way too much :) | 06:42 |
| cehteh | so much too much that we dont need to discuss this any further :P | 06:42 |
| *** schend has joined #maemo | 06:47 | |
| chx | pauly: my friend, 300 USD buys me a functional N900 off eBay any day | 06:49 |
| chx | pauly: with a litlte luck 250 can be achieved | 06:49 |
| *** balleyne has joined #maemo | 06:53 | |
| *** balleyne has left #maemo | 06:53 | |
| *** pauly has quit IRC | 06:54 | |
| *** radic_ has quit IRC | 06:55 | |
| krayon | chx: 300 is the upper from my experience (and ebay completed listings would seem to support this) | 06:58 |
| cehteh | and that are working devices, not ones with broken usb port :P | 06:58 |
| *** madalu has quit IRC | 06:59 | |
| *** GNUton-BNC has joined #maemo | 06:59 | |
| *** genewitch has joined #maemo | 07:01 | |
| genewitch | what is the CHOST target for the arm architecture? IE what does gcc -v output? | 07:02 |
| *** bleeter has joined #maemo | 07:02 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo | 07:06 | |
| *** X-Fade has quit IRC | 07:07 | |
| *** radic has joined #maemo | 07:09 | |
| *** ponyofdeath has joined #maemo | 07:10 | |
| *** X-Fade has joined #maemo | 07:12 | |
| *** chainsawbike has quit IRC | 07:13 | |
| genewitch | no one? | 07:14 |
| krayon | genewitch: Do you mean in the scratchbox? | 07:16 |
| genewitch | if you type gcc -v on an arm machine, what's the CHOST | 07:18 |
| genewitch | arm-none-linux-gnu? | 07:18 |
| genewitch | arm-unknown? arm-generic? | 07:18 |
| genewitch | arm-undermydesk-pc-gnu? (freebsd jokes... hilarious) | 07:18 |
| genewitch | i'm setting up a toolchain elsewhere and i need the chost for a template | 07:19 |
| krayon | genewitch: The scratchbox reports target as arm-none-linux-gnueabi but I don't have gcc on the N900 :/ | 07:19 |
| genewitch | what does eabi stand for | 07:20 |
| chx | genewitch: if you google you do not need to click, i'ts in the result list! | 07:20 |
| chx | genewitch: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%2BCHOST+n900&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= | 07:20 |
| *** chainsawbike has joined #maemo | 07:20 | |
| chx | genewitch: CHOST=armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi | 07:20 |
| genewitch | chx: sweet. i'll hit both and see which one sticks. | 07:21 |
| *** schend has quit IRC | 07:23 | |
| *** Zuccace has quit IRC | 07:30 | |
| *** Zucca has joined #maemo | 07:30 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has quit IRC | 07:32 | |
| *** DocScrutinizer has joined #maemo | 07:32 | |
| *** beford has joined #maemo | 07:34 | |
| *** degggeard has joined #maemo | 07:52 | |
| *** chx has quit IRC | 07:58 | |
| *** chx has joined #maemo | 07:58 | |
| *** schend has joined #maemo | 08:05 | |
| *** chx has quit IRC | 08:12 | |
| *** chx has joined #maemo | 08:13 | |
| *** mva has quit IRC | 08:14 | |
| *** mva has joined #maemo | 08:16 | |
| *** c2pLaY has joined #maemo | 08:17 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 08:21 | |
| *** chx has quit IRC | 08:23 | |
| *** n6pfk has quit IRC | 08:29 | |
| *** KMFDM has joined #maemo | 08:33 | |
| *** yigal has joined #maemo | 08:40 | |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 08:43 | |
| *** LiraNuna has quit IRC | 08:44 | |
| *** beford has quit IRC | 08:45 | |
| *** LiraNuna has joined #maemo | 08:47 | |
| *** kwtm has joined #maemo | 08:48 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo | 08:51 | |
| *** githogori has joined #maemo | 08:52 | |
| *** MacDrunk has joined #maemo | 08:57 | |
| *** Sc0rpius has quit IRC | 09:01 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 09:01 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 09:02 | |
| *** larin has joined #maemo | 09:04 | |
| *** zap has joined #maemo | 09:08 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 09:10 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #maemo | 09:11 | |
| *** yigal has quit IRC | 09:11 | |
| *** wmarone_ has quit IRC | 09:12 | |
| *** wmarone_ has joined #maemo | 09:12 | |
| *** ag0ny has joined #maemo | 09:13 | |
| *** Sazpaimon has quit IRC | 09:13 | |
| *** Sc0rpius has joined #maemo | 09:14 | |
| *** Sazpaimon has joined #maemo | 09:14 | |
| *** gomiam has joined #maemo | 09:15 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo | 09:15 | |
| *** Sicelo has joined #maemo | 09:15 | |
| *** swc|666 has quit IRC | 09:19 | |
| *** gomiam has quit IRC | 09:19 | |
| *** MadViking has quit IRC | 09:20 | |
| *** gomiam has joined #maemo | 09:21 | |
| *** ppenz has joined #maemo | 09:21 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo | 09:24 | |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 09:24 | |
| *** chx has joined #maemo | 09:25 | |
| *** larsivi has joined #maemo | 09:26 | |
| *** Sicelo has quit IRC | 09:32 | |
| *** kwek has joined #maemo | 09:35 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 09:41 | |
| *** calvaris has joined #maemo | 09:41 | |
| *** eMHa_ has quit IRC | 09:48 | |
| *** bestia21 has joined #maemo | 09:50 | |
| *** Pillum has joined #maemo | 09:51 | |
| Pillum | anyone here familiar with multiboot and kernel v47 | 09:51 |
| *** buntfalke has joined #maemo | 09:51 | |
| Pillum | and meego | 09:51 |
| Pillum | ? | 09:51 |
| *** Kilroo has quit IRC | 09:51 | |
| *** bestia21 has joined #maemo | 09:51 | |
| *** geaaru has joined #maemo | 09:52 | |
| *** Wikier has joined #maemo | 09:53 | |
| Pillum | I've run "apt-get install kernel-power-bootimg" but this didnt do anything | 09:55 |
| *** mairas has joined #maemo | 09:57 | |
| *** Spydemon has joined #maemo | 09:59 | |
| *** Kilroo has joined #maemo | 10:06 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 10:06 | |
| *** lofty306 has joined #maemo | 10:06 | |
| *** zap has quit IRC | 10:07 | |
| *** wam has joined #maemo | 10:09 | |
| *** robbiethe1st has joined #maemo | 10:12 | |
| *** murrayc has joined #maemo | 10:12 | |
| *** X-Fade has quit IRC | 10:12 | |
| *** kwek has quit IRC | 10:12 | |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 10:13 | |
| *** kwek has joined #maemo | 10:13 | |
| *** X-Fade has joined #maemo | 10:13 | |
| *** Pillum has quit IRC | 10:13 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles has quit IRC | 10:13 | |
| Hukka | Hm | 10:13 |
| Hukka | I've been thinking about getting bluetooth headphones, but remember reading that N900 had some potentially huge problems with connectivity and quality. Has that changed since the early times? | 10:14 |
| *** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC | 10:14 | |
| *** _berto_ has joined #maemo | 10:15 | |
| *** GeneralAntilles has joined #maemo | 10:15 | |
| krayon | Hukka: I use the cheapest ones I could find off eBay (their Bluetooth ID thingy is 01:02:03:04:05:06 etc) | 10:17 |
| *** OkropNick has joined #maemo | 10:17 | |
| krayon | Hukka: They work 100% perfectly, all the time, connecting and disconnecting whilst playback works fine, buttons on it work fine for controlling media player, and the range is pretty damn good too, so much so I lost my phone at home once whilst I was listening to stuff. | 10:18 |
| krayon | Oh, quality is good too, although I mainly listen to podcasts | 10:18 |
| Hukka | I think back in 09 people reported that some models (at least Jawbones) didn't work at all, and some worked perfectly | 10:19 |
| Hukka | Seemed like a hit-or-miss thing | 10:19 |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 10:19 | |
| Hukka | But perhaps Nokia phones are more reliable to work with it? | 10:19 |
| Hukka | These are second hand BH905s, thinking about how much they would be worth for music | 10:20 |
| Hukka | They also have cable connection, so if they are ok I could use them at home/work too just for music | 10:20 |
| krayon | Well, I've only used a Jabra headset and these cheap ass headphones but both A-OK | 10:20 |
| *** frade has joined #maemo | 10:21 | |
| krayon | Hukka: FWIW the ones I have look something like these: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260617451262 | 10:21 |
| krayon | The only issue I had with them was they stopped charging so I had to open them up and solder a broken join but that's all. Had them 2 - 2.5 years maybe. | 10:22 |
| *** bergie has joined #maemo | 10:25 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 10:28 | |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 10:28 | |
| *** markinfo has joined #maemo | 10:32 | |
| *** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo | 10:35 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo | 10:37 | |
| *** Wamanuz3 has joined #maemo | 10:38 | |
| *** Wamanuz2 has quit IRC | 10:38 | |
| *** retro|cz has quit IRC | 10:42 | |
| *** dneary has joined #maemo | 10:42 | |
| _berto_ | they're starting to announce microsoft's plans for skype | 10:44 |
| _berto_ | http://a.yfrog.com/img615/6462/453c.gif | 10:44 |
| dm8tbr | _berto_: http://www.bfst.de/funpix/we_are_doomed.jpeg | 10:45 |
| robbiethe1st | Yup | 10:45 |
| krayon | LMAO nice | 10:45 |
| *** eijk has joined #maemo | 10:45 | |
| robbiethe1st | I've got a good idea! Boycott Skype and MS! | 10:46 |
| _berto_ | haha, I had seen that one too | 10:46 |
| * robbiethe1st hands out Linux CDs | 10:46 | |
| *** mece has joined #maemo | 10:49 | |
| *** larsivi has quit IRC | 10:51 | |
| *** tron71 has joined #maemo | 10:54 | |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 10:57 | |
| *** dvaske has joined #maemo | 10:59 | |
| *** larsivi has joined #maemo | 11:00 | |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 11:02 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 11:03 | |
| *** msanchez has joined #maemo | 11:03 | |
| *** retro|cz has joined #maemo | 11:04 | |
| *** KrayoN900 has joined #maemo | 11:07 | |
| *** larsivi has quit IRC | 11:08 | |
| *** croppa has quit IRC | 11:09 | |
| *** idont has joined #maemo | 11:13 | |
| *** retro|cz has quit IRC | 11:17 | |
| *** eMHa_ has joined #maemo | 11:18 | |
| *** arno0ob has joined #maemo | 11:18 | |
| *** MadViking has joined #maemo | 11:18 | |
| *** mookie has joined #maemo | 11:20 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 11:20 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo | 11:20 | |
| *** psycho_oreos has joined #maemo | 11:22 | |
| *** larsivi has joined #maemo | 11:22 | |
| *** mesx has quit IRC | 11:23 | |
| *** Spydemon has quit IRC | 11:23 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 11:27 | |
| *** krayon has quit IRC | 11:29 | |
| *** MacDrunk has quit IRC | 11:31 | |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 11:32 | |
| *** bestia21 has left #maemo | 11:34 | |
| *** OkropNick has quit IRC | 11:34 | |
| *** murrayc has joined #maemo | 11:34 | |
| *** petrux has joined #maemo | 11:34 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 11:34 | |
| *** andre__ has quit IRC | 11:34 | |
| *** andre__ has joined #maemo | 11:34 | |
| mece | daaaamn! Zehjotkah is teasing on twitter. | 11:35 |
| mece | @zehjotkah: I could use a worthy successor to my Nokia N900... which I can actually use in public... #MeeGo | 11:36 |
| mece | @zehjotkah: If you plan to buy an Android device or an iPhone: just wait two weeks, they won't run away! #MeeGo | 11:36 |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 11:37 | |
| *** Pathin has joined #maemo | 11:38 | |
| petteri | I fear you wont get N950 from the shops by 23.5, but hopefully someday in the summer | 11:39 |
| *** citylights has joined #maemo | 11:39 | |
| citylights | hi | 11:39 |
| citylights | say how do I add an item to the main drop down window | 11:40 |
| citylights | like openvpn applet | 11:40 |
| *** E0x has quit IRC | 11:40 | |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 11:41 | |
| *** Pathin has quit IRC | 11:42 | |
| citylights | I read openvpn-applet.py and see it uses hd_plugin_type which I found here http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/HildonDesktop | 11:43 |
| *** E0x has joined #maemo | 11:46 | |
| mece | petteri, might be true, still, I can't help being excited. I won't buy anything until november when I can stop paying for my N900. | 11:46 |
| *** Pathin has joined #maemo | 11:47 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 11:48 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 11:48 | |
| *** lofty306 has quit IRC | 11:51 | |
| chem|st | morning | 11:52 |
| *** Malin_ has joined #maemo | 11:54 | |
| *** mirsal has quit IRC | 11:56 | |
| *** robink has quit IRC | 11:57 | |
| *** achipa has joined #maemo | 12:00 | |
| *** achipa has joined #maemo | 12:00 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 12:05 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 12:05 | |
| RST38h | ZiiLabs outs dual-core ZMS-20 and quad-core ZMS-40 for Honeycomb tablets, clocks 'em at 1.5GHz | 12:09 |
| RST38h | QUADcore | 12:09 |
| *** hannesw has joined #maemo | 12:09 | |
| *** robink has joined #maemo | 12:10 | |
| *** zap has joined #maemo | 12:11 | |
| *** citylights has quit IRC | 12:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | QUADCOAR! | 12:13 |
| *** jd has quit IRC | 12:14 | |
| *** KrayoN900 has quit IRC | 12:14 | |
| *** Khertan has joined #maemo | 12:15 | |
| Khertan | Morning | 12:15 |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 12:24 | |
| dm8tbr | just means it can burn through the battery much faster *eg* | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends, there are interesting possibilities of very asymetric cores. | 12:26 |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 12:27 | |
| SpeedEvil | For example, imagine a core that is similar logically to the other three cores, but manufactured so it's got a maximum speed of a few dozen megahertz. This has vastly lower power. | 12:27 |
| *** mitsutaka has quit IRC | 12:27 | |
| *** kW has joined #maemo | 12:28 | |
| *** kW has quit IRC | 12:28 | |
| *** kW has joined #maemo | 12:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | It handles all the interrupty stuff and avoids waking the main CPU, but if it's working for a sustained period - say 10ms or more - it is suspended, the register and state-set transferred to a faster core, and that's turned on. | 12:28 |
| *** croppa has joined #maemo | 12:30 | |
| robbiethe1st | Why not just run the main core at a few dozen mhz? You could vastly undervolt it, and even if not the time spent switching(and thus, power loss) would be negligable... | 12:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Doesn't work. | 12:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Undervolting saves - perhaps - half the power. | 12:33 |
| *** eijk_ has joined #maemo | 12:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | Lower speed processors can run at a hundredth of the power. | 12:33 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: we could try doing that wirh rapuyama | 12:34 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: move stuff to rapuyama and send main omap to sleep | 12:34 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:34 |
| jacekowski | unless you need screen or keyboard omap can be sleeping | 12:35 |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 12:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | If you can open rapuyama. :) | 12:35 |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 12:35 | |
| jacekowski | but we don't know how to run stuff on rapuyama | 12:35 |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 12:35 | |
| *** eijk has quit IRC | 12:36 | |
| robbiethe1st | SpeedEvil: My point was that, why use a whole new chip? why can't the main core be /very/ much underclocked? Perhaps using a second crystal or something | 12:42 |
| robbiethe1st | Unless the chip design's different, it shouldn't use much/any more power | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Because semiconductor physics doesn't work that way. | 12:43 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh... what? | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | If you undervolt and underclock the device to 1/100th of its nominal speed, it will still use around a third to a half of the normal operating power. | 12:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Due to threshold variation of the devices on chip, and other factors. | 12:43 |
| jacekowski | robbiethe1st: it would be unstable if underclocked | 12:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, why? | 12:44 |
| robbiethe1st | Undervolt+underclock, perhaps, but just underclock? | 12:45 |
| jacekowski | nope | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: Because semiconductor devices are run on the ragged edge between instability and not working at all. | 12:45 |
| chem|st | there are limits where transistors do funny things | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Underclocking and the leakage current kills you. | 12:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Due to process variations and variations across the wafer - and underlying physics - transistors in modern processors don't turn all the way on and off. | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | They go between on and mostly off. | 12:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Mostly off is fine for functionality, but it adds to massive power usage if you actually try to keep the chip active in standby, just not clocked. | 12:46 |
| robbiethe1st | Oh, so the problem is that the transistors are leaking a small amount, and unless it's switched back off/on, it'd slowly increase the voltage between it and the next transistor until that one turns on | 12:46 |
| robbiethe1st | That makes sense | 12:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Not really - but that can be an issue too. | 12:47 |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 12:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | If that was the only problem it would be possible to reengineer so that it could be in standby unclocked. | 12:47 |
| chem|st | thats why tripplecores nowadays are quadcores with one core turned off.. thats not by choice that is by "not-so-good-working-state" | 12:47 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, half of them are. | 12:48 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem is that each partly-on transistor leaks current and wastes it. | 12:48 |
| robbiethe1st | What if you simply reduced the number of things that need to be updated during sleep? And or align the timers together so the chip can turn on, update a bunch of stuff in 1ms or so, then turn back off | 12:48 |
| chem|st | and turning off one core by software uses more power than throttle them to c0 | 12:48 |
| *** kerio has quit IRC | 12:48 | |
| *** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC | 12:49 | |
| chem|st | applies to multicore machines | 12:49 |
| SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: And yes, that helps. | 12:49 |
| robbiethe1st | chem|st: Isn't that sort of what a power-gate in the new procs is supposed to do? Flip at least part of it completely off. | 12:49 |
| *** kerio has joined #maemo | 12:49 | |
| *** GNUtoo|laptop has joined #maemo | 12:50 | |
| *** X-Fade has quit IRC | 12:50 | |
| SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: The issue is that it's rather inflexible - if you want to do something the hardware can't quite in software in the background - you can't. | 12:50 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: but you actualy do not want it to be off as turning it on when needed has a damn high latnecy | 12:50 |
| robbiethe1st | chem|st: It seems to work with the omap on the n900; turning on and off 100 times per second at least | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - logging data from the accellerometer, then interrupting if certain gestures are found. | 12:50 |
| *** X-Fade has joined #maemo | 12:51 | |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: ehrm that is not off | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not turning on and off 100 times a second - it's considerably less than that into C4 | 12:51 |
| chem|st | that is a sleep state that is something else | 12:51 |
| robbiethe1st | isn't that sleep state good enough, then? | 12:51 |
| chem|st | it is | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It has a very large latency though. | 12:52 |
| chem|st | what drains your battery are some python apps, daemons, telepathy and hildon-home gone wild | 12:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Yes. | 12:52 |
| robbiethe1st | Well, and the screen. But in "standby" mode, yes., | 12:52 |
| chem|st | had a skype-telepathy hickup 2 days ago... 4 hours to flat | 12:52 |
| chem|st | the screen backlight is the drainer the lcd itself doesn't use that much | 12:53 |
| robbiethe1st | On our N900, what we sort of need is a power-watchdog; something that can kill apps that seem to be taking to much(which also reports the problem to the app dev) | 12:54 |
| chx | heh irc would be dead all the time :) | 12:54 |
| jacekowski | pausing the app wouldn't be bad | 12:54 |
| robbiethe1st | 'Cause IMHO, it'd be better having the browser or skype killed after an hour of standby then to have the battery dead | 12:54 |
| *** mirsal has quit IRC | 12:55 | |
| jacekowski | just pause it | 12:55 |
| jacekowski | and then resume whenever required | 12:55 |
| chem|st | but you dont want msg be paused | 12:55 |
| robbiethe1st | That's a good idea, and would work in some cases, but in others the solution might be to kill a daemon, which would then restart | 12:55 |
| jacekowski | tbh. all apps that are not important should be paused while you're not looking | 12:55 |
| robbiethe1st | aand, yes. | 12:55 |
| robbiethe1st | Would be nice to be able to leave web pages open without additional power drain | 12:56 |
| chem|st | robbiethe1st: ever heard of timeouts? | 12:56 |
| chem|st | simply you cannot | 12:56 |
| robbiethe1st | Uh, /stop/ the damn javascript whenever the screen goes off, IMHO. | 12:57 |
| chem|st | the framework controlling it would use more power than you get | 12:57 |
| robbiethe1st | Just have it remove all JS timers at some point, and pause. | 12:57 |
| chem|st | just deaktivate JS! | 12:58 |
| robbiethe1st | I mean, sure, it could cause some issues, but probably less than the current JS paused after 30 seconds thing. | 12:58 |
| chem|st | k->c sry | 12:58 |
| robbiethe1st | yea, and that's what I've taken to, but having JS available is nice. | 12:58 |
| chem|st | that k - c thing happens to me quiet often lately | 12:58 |
| robbiethe1st | and remembering to disable it all the time... not so easy or fun | 12:58 |
| *** muggo has joined #maemo | 12:59 | |
| robbiethe1st | What I'd /like/ is a nice daemon that handles all this stuff say 5 minutes after the screen turns off; it'd pause all but a selected list of apps, disable certain timers etc. Heck, they might even have built-in functionality it could be connected to: hildon home seems to do a good job of that | 13:00 |
| robbiethe1st | what with the clock not being updated with the screen off(nor anything else really) | 13:00 |
| *** chx has quit IRC | 13:02 | |
| *** ferdna has quit IRC | 13:09 | |
| *** kamui has quit IRC | 13:09 | |
| *** cityLights has joined #maemo | 13:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | Some things you want active, and can't do without something being active - for example gesture recognition. | 13:10 |
| *** trx has quit IRC | 13:12 | |
| cityLights | I am so gratfull openvpn-applet was written , it makes it so easy to get the UI I seek | 13:12 |
| cityLights | s/gratfull/grateful/ | 13:13 |
| infobot | cityLights meant: I am so grateful openvpn-applet was written , it makes it so easy to get the UI I seek | 13:13 |
| *** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo | 13:14 | |
| *** _0x47 has joined #maemo | 13:14 | |
| *** Kilroo1 has joined #maemo | 13:20 | |
| *** Kilroo has quit IRC | 13:20 | |
| *** vazel has joined #maemo | 13:22 | |
| *** buntfalke has joined #maemo | 13:25 | |
| *** Venemo has joined #maemo | 13:28 | |
| *** mitsutaka has joined #maemo | 13:32 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 13:39 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 13:39 | |
| *** lizardo has joined #maemo | 13:42 | |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 13:44 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 13:44 | |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 13:46 | |
| Venemo | good morning Maemo guys :) | 13:47 |
| merlin1991 | Morning Venemo | 13:47 |
| Venemo | morning merlin1991 | 13:48 |
| *** amit_usual has joined #maemo | 13:48 | |
| *** _0x47 has quit IRC | 13:49 | |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 13:51 | |
| *** jpe has joined #maemo | 13:51 | |
| *** tackat_ has joined #maemo | 13:53 | |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 13:54 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 13:54 | |
| *** _0x47 has joined #maemo | 13:58 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 13:59 | |
| *** psycho_oreos has quit IRC | 14:01 | |
| *** vazel has quit IRC | 14:02 | |
| *** jhb1 has joined #maemo | 14:06 | |
| Hukka | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=959367&postcount=35 Sounds like BT on N900 is still bad | 14:07 |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 14:08 | |
| *** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo | 14:10 | |
| *** mardi has joined #maemo | 14:11 | |
| *** idont has quit IRC | 14:13 | |
| *** idont has joined #maemo | 14:16 | |
| *** FireFly|n900 has quit IRC | 14:25 | |
| *** smyows has joined #maemo | 14:27 | |
| *** smyows has left #maemo | 14:28 | |
| *** chenca has joined #maemo | 14:32 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 14:34 | |
| *** muggo has quit IRC | 14:36 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 14:37 | |
| *** dangergrrl has quit IRC | 14:40 | |
| *** dangergrrl has joined #maemo | 14:41 | |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 14:43 | |
| *** FireFly|n900 has joined #maemo | 14:43 | |
| *** FireFly has joined #maemo | 14:44 | |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 14:44 | |
| *** _0x47 has quit IRC | 14:45 | |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 14:46 | |
| *** _0x47 has joined #maemo | 14:47 | |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 14:47 | |
| *** mirsal has quit IRC | 14:52 | |
| *** chenca has quit IRC | 14:52 | |
| *** GNUton-BNC has quit IRC | 14:55 | |
| *** GNUton-BNC has joined #maemo | 14:56 | |
| *** larsivi has quit IRC | 14:57 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo | 15:01 | |
| *** retro|cz has joined #maemo | 15:04 | |
| *** debernardis has joined #maemo | 15:04 | |
| *** tron71 has quit IRC | 15:05 | |
| *** Khertan has quit IRC | 15:07 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has quit IRC | 15:07 | |
| *** croppa has quit IRC | 15:09 | |
| *** larsivi has joined #maemo | 15:11 | |
| *** murrayc has quit IRC | 15:11 | |
| *** Openfree` has joined #maemo | 15:16 | |
| *** kama has joined #maemo | 15:17 | |
| cityLights | did anyone apply electro static shock to the N900? | 15:17 |
| cityLights | I just did by mistake, and it rebooted | 15:17 |
| cityLights | I was wearing rubber shoes and when I touched it , then was a shock | 15:18 |
| RST38h | the syndrome particularly common among American clergymen of falsely claiming to be a former US Navy SEAL has risen to prominence, as the risk of being exposed as such a liar has risen severely. | 15:18 |
| * RST38h eeks | 15:18 | |
| *** drussell has joined #maemo | 15:18 | |
| *** muggo has joined #maemo | 15:21 | |
| *** kerio has quit IRC | 15:22 | |
| *** kerio has joined #maemo | 15:22 | |
| *** kerio has joined #maemo | 15:23 | |
| *** KrayoN900 has joined #maemo | 15:23 | |
| *** KrayoN900 is now known as Guest67584 | 15:24 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 15:25 | |
| *** debernardis has quit IRC | 15:25 | |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 15:26 | |
| *** vazel has joined #maemo | 15:26 | |
| *** Arkenoi has quit IRC | 15:28 | |
| *** billmania has joined #maemo | 15:29 | |
| *** Venemo_N900 has joined #maemo | 15:29 | |
| cityLights | is Mikko Vartiainen here? if so I like to thank him, as I am using his code | 15:29 |
| *** robbiethe1st has quit IRC | 15:31 | |
| *** FIQ|n900 has joined #maemo | 15:33 | |
| SpeedEvil | What's the code? | 15:33 |
| cityLights | openvpn-applet | 15:34 |
| cityLights | it is very helpfull | 15:34 |
| cityLights | easy to read | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | cityLights: ESD protection is not meant to keep running the device's processes without any impact. Though I had that 'shock' several times now and never seen it reboot | 15:35 |
| *** idont has quit IRC | 15:36 | |
| cityLights | yes, its not the first time, but this time , it did reboot | 15:36 |
| *** lipe has joined #maemo | 15:37 | |
| cityLights | I just hope the new N900 will soon be out to replace this | 15:37 |
| cityLights | as I think this may have caused harm | 15:37 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, ping | 15:37 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer waiting people to make solid work =) | 15:37 |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 15:38 | |
| cityLights | "solid work"? | 15:38 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, they told expo is not that good idea, said it would be nice to use glue gun or something | 15:38 |
| ZogG | what do you think? | 15:38 |
| *** LinuxCode has quit IRC | 15:38 | |
| ZogG | cityLights, micro usb got ripped out | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: sure, if you're willing to have a steel gaze in front of LCD, and a device that's 80% heavier | 15:38 |
| ZogG | ok i'll stick with expo | 15:39 |
| *** muggo has quit IRC | 15:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: I'd use epoxy 2-component glue, hot glue is not really that strong | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | however practice with some similar objects first | 15:40 |
| cityLights | btw, we where using a windows mobile pre 7 yesterday, htc edge hd, and it actually halted in the middle of the trail | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | make sure you don't tuin the receptacle by glue flowing into the receptacle | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ruin* | 15:41 |
| *** wam has quit IRC | 15:41 | |
| cityLights | imagine missing a turn becasue the gps freezes | 15:42 |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 15:42 | |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i'm scared =) | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you better are | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hot glue can be removed when you screw up. Epoxy not | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least not that easy | 15:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | otoh hotglue is a joke | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kinda better stickytape | 15:44 |
| ZogG | that's what he said | 15:44 |
| *** gomiam has quit IRC | 15:44 | |
| ZogG | i can't remove expo opnce i used it | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can, using a Dremel :-D | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | a sharp scalpel | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | also heating up to 250° makes some epoxy fail | 15:45 |
| *** Arkenoi has joined #maemo | 15:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's really really hard, so better practice and do the real thing after you feel experienced and familiar | 15:46 |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 15:47 | |
| *** msanchez has quit IRC | 15:48 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 15:51 | |
| *** Guest67584 is now known as KrayoN900 | 15:51 | |
| *** KrayoN900 has joined #maemo | 15:51 | |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 15:55 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 15:55 | |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer MD Expo =) | 15:55 |
| *** Venemo_N900 has quit IRC | 15:56 | |
| chem|st | ZogG: highly depends on how clean and conditioned your surfaces are... | 15:56 |
| *** Venemo_N900 has joined #maemo | 15:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~expo | 15:57 |
| infobot | i guess expo is Linux Expo - see linuxexpo.com | 15:57 |
| *** amit_usual has quit IRC | 15:57 | |
| chem|st | freshly brushed metal pieces free of silicon and overall clean, tend to brake on the metal side instead of the epoxy getting lose or even brake | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm - bull. | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you're perhaps talking about lead, or some other very fragile metal. | 15:59 |
| *** lipe has quit IRC | 15:59 | |
| SpeedEvil | Or failures in bending of the metal, rather than the epoxy actually tearing the metal. | 15:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~ping | 16:00 |
| infobot | ~pong | 16:00 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: we do tests like that at work... and most of the time we find metal on the epoxy surface of the freshly broken sample | 16:00 |
| *** kama is now known as kama_ | 16:00 | |
| chem|st | well we are looking on different stuff | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | On straight pull-tests? | 16:01 |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 16:01 | |
| chem|st | parallel | 16:01 |
| *** kama_ has left #maemo | 16:02 | |
| *** muggo has joined #maemo | 16:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | Fair enough I suppose - I've never seen it when doing various prep tests on bond strengths of epoxy here. | 16:02 |
| chem|st | even worse on outdoor tests aluminium-epoxy we found no epoxy on the epoxy side of the sample but AlO all over the place | 16:03 |
| *** mece has quit IRC | 16:03 | |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: you dont see it | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah - that's different - I was assuming actual uncorroded metal | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - once corrosion comes into play, it's a _vastly_ different thing. | 16:03 |
| chem|st | most metals have a corroded surface | 16:04 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders setting up a carbon-carbon composite kiln again. | 16:04 | |
| chem|st | in terms of oxides | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course. | 16:04 |
| *** drussell has joined #maemo | 16:04 | |
| chem|st | and you cannot se it with your eyes... we do small scale analytics with those stuff | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 16:05 |
| * SpeedEvil has never really believed in the microscope. | 16:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | It's all lies! | 16:05 |
| chem|st | for you and me it just looks like the damn epox came off | 16:05 |
| * SpeedEvil is currently pondering the creep strength of HDPE at 90C, and if plastic hot-water-cylinders are barking mad. | 16:05 | |
| chem|st | no microscope... more massspectrometers | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | (if supported externally) | 16:06 |
| *** schend has quit IRC | 16:06 | |
| SpeedEvil | Mass spec won't tell you if it's Al, or AlO will it? | 16:06 |
| chem|st | time-of-flight does | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Wouldn't you need something like that form of electron microscopy that can do analysis. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget what it's called. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | backscatter? | 16:07 |
| *** arno0ob has quit IRC | 16:07 | |
| chem|st | with xps for example you can define the bonds of O other atoms by energy | 16:07 |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 16:09 | |
| SpeedEvil | In many cases, this is all mostly meaningless. | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | As much as it helps to learn about electronics by understanding bandgaps and shizzle. | 16:10 |
| RST38h | all science is a lie! | 16:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Unless you're actually in adhesives development of course. | 16:10 |
| *** Venemo_N900 has quit IRC | 16:10 | |
| SpeedEvil | Or fab design. | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Much of science is lies. | 16:11 |
| RST38h | in reality, all matter is made of tiny lego pieces, but the scientists are hiding the truth! | 16:11 |
| *** etrunko has joined #maemo | 16:11 | |
| SpeedEvil | It's only in really advanced physics you get taught the currently understood 'truth'. | 16:11 |
| chem|st | we are after it, as noone did before we try to characterize epoxy components (mix) and matters (core - interphase - surface) influencing it's latter condition | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Up to that point, you just get successively approximated lies. | 16:11 |
| RST38h | well, seriously, there is no "truth", just facts and their interpretation | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: Sounds interesting, especially bonding to unusual composites. | 16:12 |
| * SpeedEvil looks at basalt fibre. | 16:12 | |
| RST38h | but let us not allow common sense to dull our creative insanity! | 16:12 |
| *** Tsuyo has joined #maemo | 16:12 | |
| SpeedEvil | Surface science is hellafun. | 16:12 |
| chem|st | first without any bonding (just the mixtures hardened in different ways and climate conditions) - then bonding to surfaces | 16:13 |
| chem|st | parallel to that another project looks at composite materials | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | With various treatments I assume? | 16:13 |
| chem|st | yeas | 16:13 |
| SpeedEvil | /////me wonders again about making Al-C composite. | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | (the key is to cool it fast before the Al eats the C) | 16:14 |
| *** Diod has joined #maemo | 16:15 | |
| chem|st | they weld Al straps with carbonfiber stuff | 16:15 |
| *** muggo has quit IRC | 16:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | Yeah - this is carbon fibre impregnated with molten Al. | 16:16 |
| chem|st | looks like Al-Epoxy-C-fibre something afterwards on the braking edges | 16:17 |
| *** arno0ob has joined #maemo | 16:17 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 16:18 | |
| chem|st | important for aero and automotive guys as they exacly (want to) do that with chassis | 16:18 |
| *** MadViking has quit IRC | 16:18 | |
| *** ppenz has quit IRC | 16:18 | |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed - minimum weight - maximum stiffness, maximum repair-costs. | 16:19 |
| *** jpinx-away has quit IRC | 16:19 | |
| chem|st | in their case the stuff is a onetimer as it is for racing models or for aero for stuff you need to replace in one piece anyway | 16:20 |
| *** setanta has joined #maemo | 16:20 | |
| chem|st | but I would build anything of that c-fiber if not so expensive | 16:20 |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 16:21 | |
| *** Jade has quit IRC | 16:21 | |
| *** Jade has joined #maemo | 16:21 | |
| *** jpinx-away has joined #maemo | 16:21 | |
| *** inz has quit IRC | 16:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | Well - raw isn't really that bad. | 16:21 |
| *** kama has joined #maemo | 16:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | $10/lb or so. | 16:21 |
| chem|st | but the epoxy | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 16:22 |
| chem|st | the fibres arent that expensive | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Producing nice finished stuff is. | 16:23 |
| SpeedEvil | At least buying nice finished stuff. | 16:23 |
| chem|st | hehe | 16:23 |
| chem|st | both | 16:23 |
| *** rm_work has joined #maemo | 16:24 | |
| *** inz has joined #maemo | 16:25 | |
| *** msanchez has joined #maemo | 16:25 | |
| *** xnt14 has quit IRC | 16:27 | |
| *** MohammadAG has quit IRC | 16:28 | |
| *** kamui has joined #maemo | 16:29 | |
| *** wam has joined #maemo | 16:31 | |
| *** kama has quit IRC | 16:33 | |
| *** kama has joined #maemo | 16:33 | |
| *** kama has quit IRC | 16:36 | |
| *** kama has joined #maemo | 16:36 | |
| *** vanadismobile has joined #maemo | 16:37 | |
| *** the_lord has joined #maemo | 16:39 | |
| RST38h | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/03/modern-delusions/ | 16:39 |
| *** jben has joined #maemo | 16:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | No it's not! | 16:39 |
| jben | Hi, | 16:40 |
| jben | Is it possible to ask connection from a bash script on maemo (with harware N900) ? | 16:42 |
| Venemo | ~seen MohammadAG | 16:42 |
| infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12h 29m 5s ago, saying: 'oh well, I'll see about that in october'. | 16:42 |
| chem|st | jben: ? | 16:50 |
| chem|st | what are you after? | 16:50 |
| chem|st | start a wifi connection with a shell script? | 16:50 |
| jben | The idea is to launch a bash script with a crontab, something like that : 'start data packets connection; enable VPN; do stuff; disable VPN; close data packet connection" | 16:52 |
| jben | the part "enable VPN; do stuff; disable VPN;" is done and work fine | 16:52 |
| chem|st | ok now you want it to connect to a network | 16:52 |
| jben | yes | 16:53 |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 16:54 | |
| *** tackat_ has quit IRC | 16:54 | |
| chem|st | jben: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking | 16:57 |
| chem|st | there is all you need | 16:57 |
| chem|st | you may want to connect to any or to a specific access point | 16:58 |
| *** mirsal has quit IRC | 17:00 | |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 17:02 | |
| *** skule has quit IRC | 17:02 | |
| jben | chem|st: Thanks a lot, this is that I want, thanks ! | 17:06 |
| jben | I have another question, is it possible to do esaly a shorcut in the desktop to launch a bash script ? | 17:08 |
| chem|st | don't know if it still works but I am to lazy to test it, if it doesn't pls comment on it or even better add/replace with a working | 17:08 |
| chem|st | jben: yeah you make a .desktop file running it just search the wiki for it | 17:09 |
| jben | only a .desktop file, great ! | 17:09 |
| *** Diod has quit IRC | 17:11 | |
| chem|st | yeah put it in the right place and it will be available as shortcut from the menu | 17:12 |
| chem|st | well only.. the formating is somewhere... | 17:12 |
| *** wmarone_ has quit IRC | 17:15 | |
| *** wmarone_ has joined #maemo | 17:15 | |
| chem|st | http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#Creating_desktop_shortcuts_in_Maemo | 17:15 |
| *** larsivi has quit IRC | 17:16 | |
| chem|st | that is an example from using debbie to start easy debian applications via desktopo shortcut | 17:16 |
| chem|st | a X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true line might be useful idk if the toolbar shows the entry by default | 17:17 |
| *** kama has quit IRC | 17:20 | |
| chem|st | ok it shows by dfault | 17:20 |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 17:20 | |
| zap | Anyone knows if osso-filemanager sourcecode was made public? | 17:21 |
| chem|st | afaik no | 17:23 |
| *** drussell has joined #maemo | 17:26 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 17:26 | |
| *** eijk_ has quit IRC | 17:28 | |
| *** mesx has joined #maemo | 17:29 | |
| *** mookie has quit IRC | 17:29 | |
| RST38h | zap: No, but there is FileBox to hack at | 17:31 |
| *** vanadismobile has quit IRC | 17:34 | |
| zap | RST38h: will it work on N810? :) | 17:35 |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 17:35 | |
| *** Openfree` has quit IRC | 17:38 | |
| *** baraujo has joined #maemo | 17:40 | |
| *** kwtm has quit IRC | 17:42 | |
| *** tchan has quit IRC | 17:42 | |
| *** eijk_ has joined #maemo | 17:44 | |
| *** realitygaps has joined #maemo | 17:47 | |
| *** realitygaps has quit IRC | 17:47 | |
| *** realitygaps has joined #maemo | 17:47 | |
| *** tchan has joined #maemo | 17:47 | |
| *** mardi has quit IRC | 17:50 | |
| *** MohammadAG has joined #maemo | 17:51 | |
| *** MohammadAG is now known as MohammadAG51 | 17:52 | |
| *** realitygaps has quit IRC | 17:53 | |
| *** bergie has quit IRC | 17:53 | |
| *** kwtm has joined #maemo | 17:56 | |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 17:57 | |
| *** chenca has joined #maemo | 18:01 | |
| *** kama has joined #maemo | 18:02 | |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 18:03 | |
| *** Mece has joined #maemo | 18:04 | |
| *** zap has quit IRC | 18:04 | |
| Mece | ~seen khertan | 18:05 |
| *** buntfalke has joined #maemo | 18:05 | |
| infobot | khertan <~khertan@nax2.naxos-fr.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 50m 6s ago, saying: 'Morning'. | 18:05 |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 18:06 | |
| *** mirsal has quit IRC | 18:06 | |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 18:07 | |
| *** KrayoN900 has quit IRC | 18:07 | |
| *** Mece has quit IRC | 18:08 | |
| *** darkschneider has quit IRC | 18:09 | |
| *** darkschneider2 has joined #maemo | 18:09 | |
| Kilroo1 | oh great...I accomplish my first reboot loop and discover that flasher won't work. Score. Time to drag out the laptop... | 18:09 |
| *** wam has quit IRC | 18:10 | |
| *** trbs has joined #maemo | 18:13 | |
| *** rd has joined #maemo | 18:13 | |
| *** willer_ has quit IRC | 18:15 | |
| *** willer_ has joined #maemo | 18:17 | |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 18:17 | |
| *** _berto_ has quit IRC | 18:17 | |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 18:21 | |
| *** onen|openBmap has joined #maemo | 18:21 | |
| *** drussell has joined #maemo | 18:23 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 18:23 | |
| *** kwtm has quit IRC | 18:24 | |
| *** GNUtoo|laptop has quit IRC | 18:27 | |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 18:27 | |
| *** geaaru has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| *** Sargun has joined #maemo | 18:28 | |
| *** msanchez has quit IRC | 18:28 | |
| *** arno0ob has quit IRC | 18:31 | |
| *** dos1 has quit IRC | 18:32 | |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 18:32 | |
| *** dos1 has joined #maemo | 18:33 | |
| *** wmarone__ has joined #maemo | 18:34 | |
| *** wmarone_ has quit IRC | 18:35 | |
| *** BCMM has joined #maemo | 18:35 | |
| *** arno0ob has joined #maemo | 18:35 | |
| *** philipl has joined #maemo | 18:37 | |
| *** MohammadAG51 has quit IRC | 18:38 | |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 18:41 | |
| Kilroo1 | And still unable to enumerate usb devices. Maybe I'd better try to use the rescue initrd from windows. | 18:42 |
| *** larin has quit IRC | 18:43 | |
| *** ag0ny has quit IRC | 18:43 | |
| *** the_lord has quit IRC | 18:43 | |
| *** the_lord has joined #maemo | 18:44 | |
| *** hardaker has quit IRC | 18:46 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 18:47 | |
| *** drussell has quit IRC | 18:48 | |
| *** jhb1 has joined #maemo | 18:49 | |
| *** felipec has joined #maemo | 18:49 | |
| *** madalu has joined #maemo | 18:50 | |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 18:50 | |
| chem|st | Kilroo1: is the device off and what does the charging light color up with when attached to a wall charger? | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 18:51 |
| chem|st | yo DocScrutinizer | 18:51 |
| *** MadViking has joined #maemo | 18:53 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: today was again one of the days where lmgtf would have been handy but I didn't use it, being nice today... all my google searches were first hit first entry and non of them for myself | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:54 |
| chem|st | can infobot google? | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | It's broken | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~google DocScrutinizer51 | 18:54 |
| chem|st | ~google lazy | 18:54 |
| chem|st | ok | 18:55 |
| chem|st | no google | 18:55 |
| chem|st | sad | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-11 17:55:07] <apt> 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostad | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~+help google | 18:55 |
| infobot | Desc: What Is: Google Search frontend | 18:55 |
| infobot | Desc: Configuration: "chanset [_default or channelname] +Google" | 18:55 |
| infobot | Usage: google google <query> | 18:55 |
| infobot | Example: google google infobot | 18:55 |
| chem|st | a quick reply with conversion to lmgtf without returning answers would be nice | 18:55 |
| chem|st | but direct tinyURL | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~google google DocScrutinizer51 | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~useless | 18:56 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 18:56 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert o degF to degC | 18:56 |
| infobot | o degF cannot be converted to degC: Unknown unit 'o' | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~convert 0 degF to degC | 18:56 |
| infobot | 0 degF is approximately 0 degC | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~useless | 18:57 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 18:57 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ehrm is the chanset set? | 18:57 |
| *** willer__ has joined #maemo | 18:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have nor perms for that | 18:57 |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 18:57 | |
| *** willer__ has quit IRC | 18:57 | |
| chem|st | still? | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, it's tim's infobot | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm no infobot admin | 18:58 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | just a well known appreciated "betatester" | 18:58 |
| Kilroo1 | chem|st: yes and...um...hang on a minute, I never use my wall charger. Gotta find it. | 18:58 |
| chem|st | Kilroo1: you wont get a usb enumeration if the battery is flat | 18:59 |
| chem|st | AND dont use your front-usb ports, they are hubbed inside | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | you also won't charge it when bootlooping | 18:59 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: thats why I asked for "off" | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 19:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer is terribly tired | 19:00 | |
| chem|st | ~feed DocScrutinizer | 19:01 |
| * infobot offers DocScrutinizer some herring | 19:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 19:01 |
| chem|st | ~coffee DocScrutinizer | 19:01 |
| infobot | i heard xyawn is big coffee | 19:01 |
| * infobot steals some of jacekowski's special coffee and gives it to DocScrutinizer on a silver platter. | 19:01 | |
| GAN900 | I shouldn't have worked yesterday. | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal coffee | 19:01 |
| infobot | "coffee" is "the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage" | 19:01 |
| Kilroo1 | chem|st: I don't think it is flat. It does flash orange in the normal charging indication when connected via usb. And I believe your instruction regarding USB ports is erroneous for my computer. | 19:01 |
| * GAN900 had a dream about bawling out irritating customers. | 19:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal coffee x | 19:01 |
| * infobot steals some of basiaf's special coffee and gives it to x on a silver platter. | 19:01 | |
| *** achipa has quit IRC | 19:02 | |
| chem|st | Kilroo1: most front ports are hubbed, I got 4 hubbed and 2 direct up front | 19:02 |
| Kilroo1 | If I can just get at the blasted files I changed last, I should be able to get it to stop trying to mount /home from the microsd and it will behave again... | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1:keep it charging til "green"!! | 19:02 |
| *** Wikier has quit IRC | 19:03 | |
| chem|st | Kilroo1: then try again with flashing | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | do it now | 19:03 |
| chem|st | Kilroo1: you wont get access to those files till you get rid of the bootloop, apart of maybe booting to some other system like meego or ubuntu | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rescue-initrd, as he mentioned | 19:04 |
| chem|st | without flashing? | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | but that'S a bitch | 19:04 |
| chem|st | turned out to be a witch-bitch that thing | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sure. rescue-initrd is a ueber-minimalistic meego booted directly by flasher | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | load to ram, then start | 19:06 |
| chem|st | yeah but without being able to flash ... | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 19:06 |
| chem|st | if able to flash you can do anything | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | still need working flasher | 19:07 |
| chem|st | try to install hurd for example^^ | 19:07 |
| chem|st | ~hurd | 19:07 |
| infobot | i guess hurd is The GNU Hurd is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ It stands for HIRD of UNIX Replacing Daemons. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on the Mach microkernel, and on l4 in the future, to implement file systems, network protocols, file access control, and other features that are implemented by the Unix kernel or similar kernels (such as Linux). | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 19:07 |
| infobot | from memory, xyawn is strong coffee | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ | 19:08 |
| chem|st | when do we get rid of xserver btw | 19:08 |
| Kilroo1 | My next thing to try is the I wonder if this bit about /proc/bus/usb and /dev/bus/usb is relevant to my concerns. | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | EH? | 19:08 |
| Kilroo1 | Also, stopping one sentence in the middle and starting a new one instead. | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: I think it's obsolete | 19:09 |
| Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: That's discouraging, as everything I'm trying to accomplish more or less relies on accurate wikis. | 19:10 |
| *** unixSnob has joined #maemo | 19:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | if your falsher can detect device (no more "no device found, waiting...") then you evidently don't suffer from /proc vs /dev issue | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | my 2 cents | 19:11 |
| Kilroo1 | Well phooey. | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | we had that "can't enumerate" issue frequently lately here | 19:12 |
| Kilroo1 | In that case as soon as I get the phone to sit quietly and charge without attempting to boot, I think I'll go back in the guest room and finish trying to get the flasher ready to go on Windows, since neither Arch machine will enumerate things. | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems related to distro on PC | 19:12 |
| *** liar has joined #maemo | 19:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | check the lsmod related hints on ~flashing | 19:13 |
| *** kwek has quit IRC | 19:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | also check for 32bit distro | 19:13 |
| Kilroo1 | that was why I tried the laptop | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | check cable, as that's also a source for "can't enumerate", and also make sure you don't have internal hubs as chem|st mentioned | 19:14 |
| Kilroo1 | laptop only has two usb ports | 19:15 |
| *** kwek has joined #maemo | 19:15 | |
| Kilroo1 | all desktop usb ports except the usb 3.0 ones connect to the motherboard the same way. | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been some advice about "rmmod ohci" or sth along that line | 19:16 |
| *** klasu_ has joined #maemo | 19:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll see if I can find the link, after I prepared some coffee to save me from falling asleep | 19:16 |
| Kilroo1 | Phone looks really funny when I boot with the microsd in, by the way. | 19:17 |
| chem|st | Kilroo1: funny? | 19:17 |
| *** zeq has joined #maemo | 19:17 | |
| Kilroo1 | Black desktop, hot pink notification area, lots of widgets seem to be present but only as blank squares. | 19:18 |
| chem|st | so you try to boot it again? | 19:18 |
| Kilroo1 | Had to boot it up and turn it off again to get it to stop trying to reboot while charging. | 19:18 |
| chem|st | ? | 19:19 |
| chem|st | in off state.... charge till green | 19:19 |
| Kilroo1 | Exactly. | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES | 19:19 |
| chem|st | why was it rebooting in this state | 19:19 |
| Kilroo1 | Plug in the charger, phone tried to boot. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | bugger | 19:20 |
| Kilroo1 | Now it's behaving. | 19:20 |
| chem|st | it should go into a charging state after a while | 19:20 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 19:20 |
| chem|st | light dimming orange? | 19:21 |
| *** avs has joined #maemo | 19:21 | |
| Kilroo1 | uh | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you're lucky you can ssh login via wlan while phone is charging | 19:21 |
| Kilroo1 | the usual slow orange pulse for "I'm charging now" yes. | 19:21 |
| *** florian has quit IRC | 19:21 | |
| chem|st | ok | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | keep that til green | 19:22 |
| *** zap has joined #maemo | 19:22 | |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: that needs some R&D mod doens't it | 19:22 |
| *** rd has quit IRC | 19:22 | |
| chem|st | ok I am off bb | 19:23 |
| Kilroo1 | In theory all I should need to do is get to a point where I can un-comment the lines in genfstab.awk and get rid of the ones in rcS-late | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: that usually needs some tweaks to mce.ini | 19:24 |
| Kilroo1 | Then I can step back and try to figure out either (a) what the hell I did wrong or (b) what part of the instructions I was following are bogus | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: setting flasher R&D mode and that --no-restart-whatever=on flag should help | 19:25 |
| Kilroo1 | Or possibly (c) that my sd card is worthless | 19:25 |
| *** rcg has joined #maemo | 19:25 | |
| *** Sargun has quit IRC | 19:25 | |
| *** zap has quit IRC | 19:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway good luck, and keep your bat charged ;-) | 19:26 |
| Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: I appreciate the suggestion but I have no idea what that last bit means. And thanks. I guess I'll try the rescue again once I get a green light. | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | please come back to receive further help when bat is charged | 19:27 |
| *** drussell has joined #maemo | 19:27 | |
| cityLights | what did I miss | 19:28 |
| cityLights | ? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/N900/maemo5.0-flashing/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.4.5.3_beta> ./flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher v2.4.5 (Jun 25 2009) | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | no-lifeguard-reset | 19:31 |
| *** kama has quit IRC | 19:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer | also | 19:34 |
| *** jhb1 has quit IRC | 19:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | less man/man1/flasher-3.5.1 | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | less doc/* | 19:34 |
| *** e-yes has joined #maemo | 19:36 | |
| *** slonopotamus has joined #maemo | 19:36 | |
| GAN900 | I think Google's ever-increasing reliance on JS violates their "Do no evil" | 19:39 |
| *** eMHa_ has quit IRC | 19:39 | |
| *** onen|openBmap has quit IRC | 19:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 100% agree, except their "do no evil" always been PR babbling | 19:41 |
| cehteh | bah i have still 7.35€ on my skype account .. from the 10€ i send there 1.5 years ago | 19:41 |
| *** dangergrrl has quit IRC | 19:41 | |
| *** SpeedEvil has quit IRC | 19:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | cehteh: skype :-o TZTZTZ | 19:41 |
| cehteh | http://www.itler.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/skynet-by-itler-net_thumb.gif btw | 19:42 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: needed it for foreign landline calls and my 'father in law' has only skype | 19:42 |
| cehteh | now i drain and cancel it asap | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 4h online and moving (constant BTS handover). 6 IRC chan: 25% of bat eaten | 19:43 |
| *** dangergrrl has joined #maemo | 19:43 | |
| e-yes | hi there. is tmo down? | 19:44 |
| *** arno0ob has quit IRC | 19:46 | |
| *** mirsal_ has joined #maemo | 19:48 | |
| *** mairas has quit IRC | 19:49 | |
| *** SpeedEvil has joined #maemo | 19:51 | |
| jacekowski | 8h online in one place with bad signal and 100% battery eaten | 19:52 |
| *** kwtm has joined #maemo | 19:53 | |
| *** rd has joined #maemo | 20:01 | |
| *** dneary has quit IRC | 20:01 | |
| *** zap has joined #maemo | 20:01 | |
| *** hannesw_ has joined #maemo | 20:02 | |
| *** hannesw has quit IRC | 20:03 | |
| *** hardaker has joined #maemo | 20:06 | |
| *** chx has joined #maemo | 20:06 | |
| *** achipa has joined #maemo | 20:10 | |
| *** achipa has joined #maemo | 20:10 | |
| *** slonopotamus has quit IRC | 20:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, vulnerability in facebook's apps, since 4 years | 20:13 |
| merlin1991 | Let's find some in Mohammadags ;) | 20:13 |
| *** zeq has quit IRC | 20:17 | |
| *** fuz_ has quit IRC | 20:19 | |
| *** rd has quit IRC | 20:20 | |
| *** jhb has joined #maemo | 20:24 | |
| *** fuz_ has joined #maemo | 20:24 | |
| *** kwtm has quit IRC | 20:25 | |
| *** avs has quit IRC | 20:30 | |
| *** petrux has quit IRC | 20:31 | |
| *** GNUtoo|laptop has joined #maemo | 20:32 | |
| *** eMHa_ has joined #maemo | 20:37 | |
| *** Sudarshan_ has joined #maemo | 20:46 | |
| *** buntfalke has joined #maemo | 20:46 | |
| *** retro|cz has quit IRC | 20:46 | |
| *** kW has quit IRC | 20:47 | |
| *** kW has joined #maemo | 20:47 | |
| *** kW has quit IRC | 20:47 | |
| *** kW has joined #maemo | 20:47 | |
| *** Sudarshan_ has quit IRC | 20:47 | |
| *** mirsal has quit IRC | 20:51 | |
| *** mirsal_ is now known as mirsal | 20:51 | |
| *** mirsal_ has joined #maemo | 20:51 | |
| *** mirsal has joined #maemo | 20:51 | |
| *** buntfalke has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** mikhas has quit IRC | 20:53 | |
| *** Sazpaimon_ has joined #maemo | 21:04 | |
| *** mc_teo has joined #maemo | 21:07 | |
| *** Sazpaimon has quit IRC | 21:07 | |
| *** piggz has joined #maemo | 21:10 | |
| *** ZZzzZzzz1 has quit IRC | 21:11 | |
| *** mirsal has quit IRC | 21:12 | |
| *** chx has quit IRC | 21:13 | |
| *** chx has joined #maemo | 21:15 | |
| *** dangergrrl has quit IRC | 21:19 | |
| *** Spydemon has joined #maemo | 21:20 | |
| *** ZZzzZzzz1 has joined #maemo | 21:25 | |
| *** smqzbq has joined #maemo | 21:27 | |
| *** mirsal_ has quit IRC | 21:28 | |
| smqzbq | hello, i am newbie to n900 an i have funny question, how to record video? in photo application i cant change to video recording, only photos, there is no such option as video recording | 21:32 |
| *** felipec has quit IRC | 21:32 | |
| andre__ | smqzbq: the icon on the right directly under the X on top - click it | 21:33 |
| andre__ | (in the camera application) | 21:33 |
| andre__ | there you can choose video mode | 21:33 |
| smqzbq | andre__: you saved my day thank you | 21:34 |
| smqzbq | :) | 21:35 |
| andre__ | no problem | 21:35 |
| *** dangergrrl has joined #maemo | 21:35 | |
| *** cityLights has quit IRC | 21:41 | |
| c2pLaY | im running maemo sdk in virtual box (win7) | 21:41 |
| c2pLaY | should i be using vmware? | 21:41 |
| c2pLaY | which is preferred? | 21:42 |
| *** cityLights has joined #maemo | 21:42 | |
| *** trupheenix has joined #maemo | 21:42 | |
| c2pLaY | and or | 21:42 |
| c2pLaY | would it make things easier if i was running linux as host | 21:42 |
| c2pLaY | all the configuration seems like a real bitch :( | 21:43 |
| Venemo | c2pLaY, well, it should work equally as well | 21:45 |
| c2pLaY | ok | 21:45 |
| *** tackat has joined #maemo | 21:45 | |
| c2pLaY | it is virtual enviroment | 21:45 |
| c2pLaY | so linux/win | 21:46 |
| c2pLaY | doesn't matter | 21:46 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:46 |
| Venemo | if you are having trouble, just ask about it on this channel | 21:46 |
| c2pLaY | but documentation | 21:46 |
| c2pLaY | there seems to be more instructions in referrence to vmware | 21:47 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:47 |
| c2pLaY | and im just wondering if a switch might make my life easier | 21:47 |
| c2pLaY | im not a programmer | 21:47 |
| Venemo | well I just installed it on my Linux with the installer and that's it. | 21:47 |
| c2pLaY | i don't know what the hell scratchbox is | 21:47 |
| c2pLaY | you know what i mean :) | 21:47 |
| Venemo | if you're not a programmer, then why do you want the sdk? | 21:47 |
| *** trupheenix has quit IRC | 21:47 | |
| c2pLaY | just want to learn | 21:48 |
| Venemo | so you _want_ to be a programmer? | 21:48 |
| c2pLaY | im not a programmer yet* | 21:48 |
| c2pLaY | :) | 21:48 |
| c2pLaY | who knows right | 21:48 |
| Venemo | Scratchbox is a cross-compiling environment | 21:48 |
| *** woglinde has joined #maemo | 21:49 | |
| c2pLaY | k gonna go make some coffee | 21:49 |
| *** woglinde has left #maemo | 21:49 | |
| c2pLaY | just woke up | 21:49 |
| c2pLaY | then im going to come back and harass you :P | 21:50 |
| Venemo | hehe | 21:50 |
| Venemo | if I'm around, I'll try to answer your questions | 21:50 |
| Sc0rpius | I need coffee | 21:53 |
| *** chx_ has joined #maemo | 22:02 | |
| *** chx has quit IRC | 22:03 | |
| *** chx_ is now known as chx | 22:03 | |
| *** baraujo has quit IRC | 22:03 | |
| *** NIN101 has quit IRC | 22:05 | |
| *** mikhas has joined #maemo | 22:05 | |
| *** baraujo has joined #maemo | 22:07 | |
| piggz | i think what space invaders needs is an online score table....so now to implement the uploading code, followed by the web service | 22:07 |
| mc_teo | the implementation is trivial, securing it is hard | 22:07 |
| Sc0rpius | http://www.27bslash6.com/overdue.html <--- now this is funny (customer service conversation via mail) | 22:08 |
| piggz | mc_teo: yeah, i think some hashing will definitely be needed....tho it wont be impossible to break | 22:08 |
| mikhas | so hm, maemo packaging ... do people still use the maemo build service and just stuff things into extra-devel? | 22:09 |
| mc_teo | piggz: like it could be as simple as a GET call to a CGI script | 22:10 |
| mc_teo | which saves it to a db | 22:10 |
| mc_teo | simple | 22:11 |
| mc_teo | but very insecure | 22:11 |
| *** tackat has quit IRC | 22:11 | |
| piggz | mc_teo: yeah, some hashing of a shared secret and some other values will help, tho i appreciate it wouldnt stop anyone determined | 22:12 |
| *** florian has joined #maemo | 22:16 | |
| *** wam has joined #maemo | 22:16 | |
| *** NIN101 has joined #maemo | 22:18 | |
| *** AranelN900 has joined #maemo | 22:21 | |
| *** unixSnob has quit IRC | 22:22 | |
| *** MohammadAG51 has joined #maemo | 22:22 | |
| AranelN900 | need help: Since my friend's router doesn't have enough ports for eth connection and I dont have a wifi dongle, I have to use N900 as a WiFi dongle to my Windows box. Any advices please? | 22:23 |
| *** BCMM has quit IRC | 22:23 | |
| AranelN900 | lol anybody cares 'bout that eh ? | 22:25 |
| Sicelo_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router | 22:25 |
| Sicelo_ | patience pays :D | 22:26 |
| AranelN900 | ^^ thank you but It says " This however only works for phone network connections, not wlan connections." ? | 22:26 |
| Sicelo_ | i don't have N900 myself, and can't think of anything else to help you | 22:28 |
| ruskie | AranelN900, well what did you expect? | 22:28 |
| Sicelo_ | hang on till someone more knowledgeable comes along | 22:28 |
| ruskie | maybe doing something with the gadget drivers could do it... but not sure | 22:29 |
| Sicelo_ | AranelN900: you can always use linux live cd on your machine :-/ | 22:30 |
| *** liar has quit IRC | 22:30 | |
| ruskie | can't he unplug the printer or whatever other useless gadget is connected to the router atm??? | 22:31 |
| ruskie | or just get a switch to use in such cases... | 22:31 |
| AranelN900 | I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change anything? ruskie: I expected to have the ability to share connection (wifi) from my N900 to Win PC | 22:31 |
| ruskie | AranelN900, well most projects are focused on sharing 3g connecting over wifi | 22:31 |
| *** chx_ has joined #maemo | 22:32 | |
| *** chx has quit IRC | 22:32 | |
| AranelN900 | his router doesnt have any additional ports and its 11PM here, we cant get a switch | 22:32 |
| ruskie | and everything that is currently connected to the router required to be plugged in atm? | 22:32 |
| ruskie | or could something be unplugged for the time you're there | 22:33 |
| *** chx_ has quit IRC | 22:33 | |
| *** hannesw_ has quit IRC | 22:33 | |
| AranelN900 | it's a 1-port router actually. | 22:34 |
| *** chx has joined #maemo | 22:34 | |
| AranelN900 | 1-eth + wifi | 22:35 |
| ruskie | *jaw drops to the floor* | 22:35 |
| Sicelo_ | 21:31 < AranelN900> I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change anything? | 22:39 |
| *** paroneayea has joined #maemo | 22:40 | |
| AranelN900 | does it? | 22:40 |
| Sicelo_ | of course it does.. acording to that link | 22:40 |
| Sicelo_ | :D | 22:40 |
| hagbard | You can use the N900 as a wifi client of sorts. | 22:40 |
| ruskie | you could probably usb network and do some routing | 22:40 |
| *** lxp has joined #maemo | 22:40 | |
| hagbard | You may have to use static IP Addressing on either side of the usbnet | 22:40 |
| ruskie | that's already there last I checked | 22:40 |
| hagbard | And I don't know if the n900 supports 802.2 bridges out of the box. | 22:40 |
| ruskie | the usbnet is static | 22:40 |
| ruskie | yeah that's the other thing | 22:40 |
| hagbard | echo 1 > /proc/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 22:41 |
| hagbard | Actually, are there iptables for n900? | 22:41 |
| *** silbo_ has joined #maemo | 22:41 | |
| ruskie | iirc there might be | 22:41 |
| hagbard | then it becomes striaghtforward | 22:41 |
| hagbard | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE | 22:41 |
| AranelN900 | so if I use Linux, can I use N900 as a wifi dongle and share its network to my PC? how? | 22:41 |
| AranelN900 | and why it doesnt work for Windows? :| | 22:42 |
| *** kwtm has joined #maemo | 22:42 | |
| Sicelo_ | you just follow the instructions on the link | 22:42 |
| *** l13tl3 has quit IRC | 22:43 | |
| AranelN900 | Sicelo_: does it work for N900 wifi to Windows box? | 22:43 |
| AranelN900 | It says it's only for phone network conn. (3g?) not wlan connections :| | 22:43 |
| ruskie | hmm I thought windows had usb gadget drivers as well | 22:44 |
| ruskie | AranelN900, just depends what you route | 22:44 |
| AranelN900 | ruskie: what do you mean by what I route? I want to route Internet connection | 22:46 |
| *** MohammadAG51 has quit IRC | 22:48 | |
| ruskie | basically what hagbard posted should work | 22:48 |
| ruskie | can't really help much since it's been years since I used a linux computer for routing... | 22:48 |
| Sicelo_ | i still think AranelN900 should read.. even what hagbard posted is on that page | 22:49 |
| Sicelo_ | AranelN900: it will work under linux.. but won't work with windows | 22:50 |
| ruskie | Sicelo_, why not? | 22:50 |
| Sicelo_ | idk ruskie :-S | 22:50 |
| hagbard | I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work for windows. | 22:50 |
| ruskie | there is a windows usbnet driver in the linux tree | 22:50 |
| AranelN900 | Sicelo_: :| cant I make it work on windows too? We want to game on same network and you know.. linux and games dont get along well. | 22:50 |
| ruskie | just need to install the usbnet driver | 22:51 |
| hagbard | AranelN900: You don't have any spare ethernet cards lying around? | 22:51 |
| Sicelo_ | i'm just referring him to a resource from somebody more knowledgeable than me | 22:51 |
| hagbard | Does your linux machine, by chance, have more than one ethernet port? | 22:51 |
| hagbard | I mean, Sicelo_ is right, the real solution here is for your to read and learn more about what you're trying to do. | 22:52 |
| AranelN900 | its the same machine actually. dual boot. | 22:52 |
| hagbard | Still, does it have more than one NIC and/or can you put a second one in there? | 22:52 |
| hagbard | Both linux and windows have the capability for joining ethernet ports together as, essentially, a software switch. | 22:53 |
| hagbard | Do both machines have firewire and do you have a firewire cable? | 22:53 |
| *** silbo_ has quit IRC | 22:54 | |
| Sicelo_ | now i remember.. for windows.. madde is reqd | 22:56 |
| *** nox- has joined #maemo | 22:56 | |
| Sicelo_ | AranelN900: check out the 21:31 < AranelN900> I also have a Linux installation on it, does it change anything? | 22:56 |
| *** spiritd has quit IRC | 22:56 | |
| Sicelo_ | yay | 22:56 |
| AranelN900 | okay then I'm going to try N900 usb router wiki page and come back with results. thank you =) | 22:57 |
| *** AranelN900 has quit IRC | 22:57 | |
| Sicelo_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking.html#Starting_USB_network_mode_with_Windows | 22:59 |
| Sicelo_ | he's gone | 22:59 |
| Sicelo_ | :) | 22:59 |
| Sicelo_ | my network connection sucks tonight :( | 23:00 |
| ZogG | to just use Linux, Luke | 23:01 |
| *** phap has joined #maemo | 23:01 | |
| ZogG | ruskie, hey | 23:01 |
| ZogG | ruskie, i hope i get my N900 back next week =) | 23:01 |
| ZogG | how is xmms2 package? is it in repo ? | 23:01 |
| phap | hi | 23:02 |
| Sicelo_ | hi phap | 23:03 |
| phap | any great news I'm bored :-) | 23:03 |
| phap | ? | 23:03 |
| ZogG | nope | 23:04 |
| ZogG | everything is still same shit | 23:04 |
| genewitch | i'm working on a crossdev toolchain AWS AMI for maemo :-) | 23:04 |
| phap | lol ok | 23:04 |
| genewitch | as well as one for freebsd, unrelated. | 23:04 |
| phap | that's great genewitch too bad I can't understand what that means | 23:05 |
| * RST38h yawns happily: work done for today | 23:05 | |
| phap | but that's sounds cool | 23:05 |
| genewitch | phap: prebuilt environment for compiling software for the n8x0 and n900, that anyone can use rather than having to set up the build environment on their computer | 23:07 |
| *** markinfo has quit IRC | 23:07 | |
| *** MohammadAG has joined #maemo | 23:07 | |
| *** MohammadAG has quit IRC | 23:07 | |
| *** MohammadAG has joined #maemo | 23:07 | |
| RST38h | genewitch: you will now have to explain what "compiling", "build", and "environment are | 23:07 |
| phap | lol | 23:08 |
| phap | no no | 23:08 |
| phap | I understand now | 23:08 |
| *** Creteil has joined #maemo | 23:08 | |
| genewitch | heh | 23:08 |
| phap | (almost) | 23:08 |
| genewitch | i don't know if it will work properly but it's almost dones4as32 | 23:09 |
| genewitch | whoops, terminal error | 23:09 |
| genewitch | sorry. | 23:09 |
| phap | I can't help you really but I wish you the best | 23:10 |
| *** Trizt has quit IRC | 23:12 | |
| *** SmilyOrg has joined #maemo | 23:12 | |
| *** ferdna has joined #maemo | 23:13 | |
| *** cityLights has quit IRC | 23:14 | |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 23:14 | |
| *** jonne has joined #maemo | 23:15 | |
| *** larsivi has joined #maemo | 23:16 | |
| *** Smily has quit IRC | 23:17 | |
| *** Spydemon has quit IRC | 23:17 | |
| *** Echo- has quit IRC | 23:18 | |
| *** Spydemon has joined #maemo | 23:18 | |
| *** Zucca has quit IRC | 23:18 | |
| kerio | HOLY FUCK NOKIA N9 | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | the RM-680 surprised me | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | now all we need is an explanation as to what the RM-690 and RM-696 are | 23:21 |
| *** Tsuyo has quit IRC | 23:21 | |
| *** Zucca has joined #maemo | 23:21 | |
| *** lemmng has joined #maemo | 23:22 | |
| lemmng | hi | 23:22 |
| *** eijk_ has quit IRC | 23:23 | |
| *** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo | 23:25 | |
| *** NishanthMenon has joined #maemo | 23:25 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG have you got my PM on TMO? | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, I don't read PMs, sec | 23:26 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG i think i got orange API | 23:26 |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 23:26 | |
| mikhas | hm nice, Fremantle's build service is reeeeeally fast these days | 23:27 |
| mikhas | I guess no one is using it :-) | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | interesting ZogG | 23:28 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG did you check the url? | 23:29 |
| *** sheepbat has quit IRC | 23:29 | |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, yes | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | booting up the N900 | 23:30 |
| lemmng | can someone fix the picture-script of the VB regsecure which is broken on registration at talk.maemo.org? | 23:30 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, would you mind to look into it? i probably would too when i get back N900 | 23:31 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, btw nice thing sociality =) | 23:31 |
| *** smqzbq has quit IRC | 23:31 | |
| *** phap has quit IRC | 23:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mikhas: it starts at xx:05 and xx:35 | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT???? N9? | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | where? | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: ^^^^ | 23:34 |
| *** FIQ has joined #maemo | 23:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^ | 23:34 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer http://www.wirelessgoodness.com/2011/05/11/nokias-n9-meego-smartphone-hits-the-fcc/ | 23:34 |
| kerio | i really hope meego is going to run it | 23:34 |
| wam | lol | 23:36 |
| wam | that'll be windows only | 23:36 |
| ZogG | if it is n9 so it's for meego | 23:36 |
| ZogG | but i hope meego is not other one step ladder with no future | 23:37 |
| wam | nokia doesn't release linux based phones anymore. | 23:37 |
| *** kthomas_vh has joined #maemo | 23:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 23:37 |
| wam | nokia also has cancelled all support for the linux dists | 23:37 |
| *** sq-one has joined #maemo | 23:38 | |
| andre__ | wam: who says so? | 23:38 |
| wam | nokia? | 23:38 |
| andre__ | wam: quote? | 23:38 |
| wam | damn fuck - don't you read news? | 23:38 |
| wam | march 2011 | 23:38 |
| andre__ | wam: damn fuck, trolling FUD is a bit boring | 23:38 |
| wam | it's 2 months now | 23:38 |
| *** kthomas_vh has quit IRC | 23:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: X-Fade: do you think I'd qualify for a unpaid prerelease test of N9? (hw and all, if Nokia cares to send [NDA'd] schematics) | 23:38 |
| wam | andre__: learn german and read: http://www.netbooknews.de/34014/nokia-setzt-auf-windows-phone-und-gibt-symbian-und-meego-auf/ | 23:39 |
| wam | andre__: I don't do your homework | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe it's not yet too late for some last minute hw bugfixes | 23:39 |
| andre__ | wam: You're impressively arrogant. | 23:39 |
| wam | andre__: I just know what I'm talking about. | 23:39 |
| andre__ | plus I'd rather refer to heise.de if I want reliable sources. It's the interwebs, you know... I can edit it. | 23:40 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o andre__ | 23:40 | |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 23:40 |
| wam | andre__: just use google or whatever you need for your homework. | 23:41 |
| kerio | i heard that nokia is moving to palm os | 23:41 |
| wam | oh boy | 23:41 |
| kerio | i have an article, but it's in latin | 23:41 |
| *** vazel has quit IRC | 23:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | wam, andre__ is a Nokia employee and for sure doesn't need to do homework | 23:41 |
| wam | I don't care. | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, I heard they're going back to making gameboys | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't like your way to talk | 23:42 |
| andre__ | (for the records: not an employee, but I spend my paid time for them.) | 23:42 |
| wam | DocScrutinizer: you don't have to | 23:42 |
| kerio | yeah, some random 3-months-old article on a random website is clearly more accurate and informed than a nokia contractor | 23:42 |
| Sicelo_ | :O | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | wam: now you're wrong, actually I have to | 23:42 |
| *** jhb has quit IRC | 23:42 | |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, not a question for me. :P | 23:44 |
| ZogG | i smell kicks and bans | 23:44 |
| ZogG | oh F action | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed ZogG | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | much temped | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | I want glines | 23:44 |
| ZogG | wan't here for a little bit and all the time i get there is action =) | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | tempted even | 23:44 |
| kerio | andre__: will it run meego? please confirm it :< i don't want it to run wp7 | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | kicks are overrated | 23:44 |
| ZogG | i want netsplits | 23:44 |
| ZogG | netsplits are sexy | 23:44 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: ISP bans are the only thing that will save us | 23:44 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o andre__ | 23:45 | |
| ZogG | when he would be alone in room =) | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, it'll run MeeGo ultimate edition | 23:45 |
| GAN900 | kerio, if it's N9, no. | 23:45 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: D: | 23:45 |
| ShadowJK | i thought it's be Win7mobile millennium+dozen edition | 23:45 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo has been relegated back to 3-digit. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: yep, I understand that. But I guess you know a bit about who's right adressee for that question | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | it's an RM-680 | 23:46 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: yay | 23:46 |
| ZogG | GAN900 so call it n9-00 =) | 23:46 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, Quim, probably. But I suspect you and I both know what the answer is going to be. ;) | 23:46 |
| ZogG | haha | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | which is something I see in MeeGo's sources | 23:47 |
| ZogG | Quim lol | 23:47 |
| *** trx has joined #maemo | 23:47 | |
| kerio | MohammadAG: you bring joy! | 23:47 |
| kerio | you joy-bringer! | 23:47 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, too bad a notion for Nokia | 23:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Have any new patches popped up fo rht ekernel on any trees/lists - that would indicarte features of new device? | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, OMG!!! you're going to end open source at Nokia! stop reading public source code!!!! | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | they can't grab opportunities when they jump in their face | 23:47 |
| ZogG | he can right you an article for 20 pages and there would be no usefull info there | 23:47 |
| ZogG | it's called lawyered =) | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | So, Engadget did the model name extrapolation? | 23:47 |
| kerio | he can "right" you an article? | 23:47 |
| GAN900 | Wonder if there'll be a MeeGoConfSF announcement. | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | FCC docs are private till 24/6 | 23:48 |
| ZogG | kerio write | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't gibe a F* F* about FCC | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | so unless MeeGo conf was postponed a month... | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I want Nokia to send me a NDA to sign, then send me a PV device plus schematics | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | "" | 23:49 |
| * SpeedEvil has doubts though. | 23:49 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: then you scan the schematics and post them online anonymously | 23:49 |
| SpeedEvil | Breaking NDAs is generally not fun or clever. | 23:49 |
| kerio | you guys are boring :( | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I emphasize it's a big favour I'd do Nokia for free, as I'm basically not interested in a device with c-ts | 23:50 |
| kerio | cats? cots? | 23:50 |
| *** Venemo has quit IRC | 23:50 | |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer i want to get n9 for free as well ) | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | what about a device without a keyboard? :-) | 23:50 |
| kerio | wait, i thought the n9 had a physical keyboard | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you fool, I'll send them the broken rocks after I finished | 23:51 |
| ZogG | kerio, noone knows for sure | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | the RM-680 does | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus a summary about what they have done wrong | 23:51 |
| *** Venemo has joined #maemo | 23:51 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG would it be out and is it final and how do you know it just from code? | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the N950 can break rocks? | 23:51 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer they done everything wrong i can say without n9 | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I can break rocking N9 | 23:51 |
| ShadowJK | even with keyboard... c-ts has so much potential to suck, considering it took 5 years to make r-ts not suck... | 23:52 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, win7 decision is wrong =) | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, no, I secretly work for Nokia and I broke two NDAs | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: stfu | 23:52 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG can it make me a coffee? | 23:52 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG haha, you make bombs from them =) | 23:52 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, =( | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, decaf, PR1.2 will have other variations | 23:52 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG when do you go to Jordan? i need new laptop | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually I'd stand for you getting same as well, as you and probably jacekowski and ShadowJK are the only other community menbers I'd say are worth it | 23:53 |
| *** jonne has quit IRC | 23:53 | |
| ZogG | MohammadAG mine is too slow for gnome3 =)))) | 23:53 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG wow is pr1.2 out? | 23:53 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer what about texrat =) | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 23:54 |
| ZogG | he is also Nokia favorite =) | 23:54 |
| nox- | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13364121 | 23:54 |
| *** kerio92 has joined #maemo | 23:54 | |
| DocScrutinizer | but I guess he would flush it down the toilet | 23:54 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer but i don't liek him =( | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | gnome is kind of fantastic, how can it be slow on anything, when they removed all features | 23:54 |
| *** marciom has quit IRC | 23:54 | |
| ZogG | ShadowJK gnme3 is bitty slow and it's really bad step for them | 23:55 |
| *** marciom has joined #maemo | 23:55 | |
| *** baraujo has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
| ZogG | why everyone want to decide what is cool and good for me& | 23:55 |
| *** kerio has quit IRC | 23:55 | |
| *** kerio92 is now known as kerio | 23:55 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you know the dudes, would you send a 3-liner mail with me in CC? | 23:55 |
| RST38h | Shadowjk: tracker? =) | 23:55 |
| * ShadowJK bought a second N900 out of fear and uncertainty about any new usable phones for 5-10 years or so | 23:55 | |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, not anytime soon, need to do the psychometric exam in July | 23:55 |
| ZogG | i like old linux when it wa about getting machine from parts and use what i want and how i want | 23:55 |
| ZogG | today it looks fansy with 2 options =( | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | and N900 hw doesn't seem to last long :/ | 23:56 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG you gonna study here? | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, Technion | 23:56 |
| ZogG | ShadowJK n900 is nice, but hw is too slow today =( | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, no, PR1.2 will be out soon after the N950's release | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | the N950's going to be released soon | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | (TM) | 23:57 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: definitely decided on technion? | 23:57 |
| andre__ | kerio, you think that a contractor will happily answer stuff like that, by breaking an NDA? :-P | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen qgil | 23:57 |
| infobot | qgil <c0646a28@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.106.40> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 21m 24s ago, saying: 'hi there alterego'. | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | the N900's not that slow | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah | 23:58 |
| thresh | of course it's slow | 23:58 |
| thresh | it cant play my 720p :P | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | it can | 23:58 |
| *** etrunko has quit IRC | 23:58 | |
| RST38h | it can, but avoid h264 | 23:58 |
| *** lcuk2 has joined #maemo | 23:58 | |
| MohammadAG | get the latest TI kernel patches, and the latest codecs | 23:58 |
| thresh | the the important word is "my" :P | 23:58 |
| * ShadowJK saw some dude on tmo claimed to be doing it | 23:58 | |
| RST38h | faulty decoder | 23:58 |
| thresh | nah, the bitrate is too high to be handled by A8. | 23:58 |
| RST38h | ah | 23:59 |
| thresh | and you know one cant avoid H264 nowadays | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | You wouldn't want to try decode it with A8 | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | NDAs should be NDA'd tbh | 23:59 |
| ShadowJK | you want the TI stuff that does it on IVA2 | 23:59 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
