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| SpeedEvil | corecode: A 1000W floodlamp | 00:10 |
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| corecode | this channel is as useless as ever | 00:12 |
| GAN900 | corecode, evidently you've not been entertained. | 00:13 |
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| alterego | I don't believe it .. | 00:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | corecode: In principle, you could obtain the NDA'd datasheet of the cam | 00:24 |
| corecode | well, something fiddles with the brightness | 00:24 |
| corecode | because sometimes it is completely dark | 00:24 |
| corecode | and sometimes not | 00:24 |
| corecode | so... | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, how do i disable a hildon button? | 00:29 |
| MohammadAG | I use setEnabled(bool) in Qt | 00:29 |
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| comawhite | anyone know why I get this error? E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/sbin/sbox_adduser' is not executable. | 00:33 |
| alterego | Nasty, you didn't install on a fat partition did you? ^.^ | 00:33 |
| comawhite | trying to install scratchbox | 00:33 |
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| Termana | good morning | 00:34 |
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| jacekowski | is there anything worth seeing in paris? | 00:41 |
| alterego | aloha | 00:41 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: quite a few museums, very nice clubs, bars and cafés, good restaurants as well. Historical places, eiffel tower, etc. | 00:42 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: pretty much as much to see in Paris as say, London. | 00:43 |
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| crashanddie | Termana: g'day | 00:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my weekend toy: http://www.kkcomputer.de/Default.aspx?tabid=34&txtSearch=cabstone solar charger&List=0&SortField=0&ProductID=12476&Pics=1 | 00:46 |
| pupnik | the people who are stealing the money are the criminals | 00:46 |
| pupnik | the people who are murdering the people are the criminals | 00:46 |
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| ShadowJK | weekend toy? | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | just unpacking it | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | I've been trying to find a similar device, but thermoelectric instead of photovoltaic | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | funny device, 7.77€ yesterday's special | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | They're worth it even without the panel :-) | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | (if otherwise in working order) | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:50 |
| * SpeedEvil is idly pondering a large solar panel. | 00:51 | |
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| SpeedEvil | (~1Kw) | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Solar cells are cheap on ebay, and I have this big pile of bus-windows. | 00:51 |
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| * ShadowJK wants something like http://www.tegpower.com/products.html | 00:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | The efficiency is unfortunately laughable. | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | But not useless if you've got a free source of heat. | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd use mirrors to multiply the light on them, and cool them with liquid I'd use to do thermosolar | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | wood is free from own forest (takes work though) :-) | 00:53 |
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| * SpeedEvil passes ShadowJK a newcomen beam engine. | 00:54 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Nov 27 00:02:48 IroN900 init: flashlight-extra main process (20631) terminated with status 2 | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nov 27 00:02:48 IroN900 init: flashlight-extra main process ended, respawning | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nov 27 00:02:50 IroN900 init: flashlight-extra main process (20650) terminated with status 2 | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nov 27 00:02:50 IroN900 init: flashlight-extra main process ended, respawning | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | incredble | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | guess flashlight-extra uninstall scripts need a bit of love until it may promote to extras | 01:10 |
| Proteous | lol | 01:11 |
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| alterego | bluetooth streaming is working :D | 01:12 |
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| alterego | Working in master mode anyway, gotta setup slave mode next. | 01:14 |
| alterego | sweeeet :D | 01:16 |
| myuu_ | what | 01:17 |
| myuu_ | that sounds cool | 01:17 |
| myuu_ | also my app manager is taking long to reload | 01:17 |
| myuu_ | what can I do about that | 01:17 |
| myuu_ | after an installation, its not slow in any other action | 01:18 |
| marmoute | I think it update after every installl. | 01:19 |
| alterego | There's something odd happpening, but it's kind of working :D | 01:20 |
| myuu_ | oh you have it too | 01:20 |
| myuu_ | yeah I dont mind it, i just change to another thing while I wait | 01:21 |
| myuu_ | id like to know why its taking longer | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | I think it's slower the more repositories (catalogs) you have enabled | 01:21 |
| myuu_ | I only have extra-devel and maemo updates | 01:22 |
| myuu_ | enabled, maybe its just a prob with extras-devel, ill check | 01:22 |
| ShadowJK | extra-devel would do it, it's huge :-) | 01:22 |
| * ShadowJK only has extras | 01:22 | |
| myuu_ | well that makes sense | 01:23 |
| myuu_ | ill time it vs extras | 01:23 |
| alterego | Something appears to be blocking my application. | 01:25 |
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| alterego | This is quite fun :) | 01:47 |
| alterego | N900+Columbus --(via bluetooth)--> Laptop : Displayig my position on a map. | 01:48 |
| alterego | Works with the N810 pretty well too. | 01:48 |
| alterego | So, I think it's safe to say that it works with anything that can read NMEA. | 01:49 |
| alterego | I think tomorrow, I'm going to drop it into my gfs' bag, and get it to stream over 2G to my server, then grab that stream from my server and use socat to create a serial device, then display it on a map. | 01:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Voice recording too, remember. | 01:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also FFT the accellerometer to reveal rhythmical motion in the 0.5-5Hz range. | 01:52 |
| alterego | why? | 01:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:53 |
| alterego | I was thinking of using my FFT to detect bottlenecks in a journey. | 01:53 |
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| alterego | And basically detect when you're not moving. | 01:53 |
| alterego | I'm suprised at how crap all the GPS apps I've found for Linux are though :/ | 01:54 |
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| jacekowski | tomtom is linux based | 01:57 |
| alterego | -_- | 01:58 |
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| alterego | Something that'll run on a desktop distro, that's foss | 01:59 |
| alterego | Now that v1 is feature complete, I'm gonna start working on the meego port and I'll probably get it to work on desktop too. | 02:00 |
| alterego | Well, after I've done some more tests and tweaks. | 02:01 |
| ieatlint | alterego: "i think tomorrow i'm going to track the movements my unwitting girlfriend" :P | 02:02 |
| alterego | :) | 02:02 |
| alterego | It's be nice to obtain a N8 to port to symbian too, but we'll see. | 02:03 |
| ieatlint | nokia seems to be handing those out like candy... | 02:03 |
| ieatlint | probably just need to find some nokia event near you | 02:04 |
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| alterego | heh, been and gone ... | 02:04 |
| alterego | I've missed all the major events. | 02:04 |
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| alterego | Maybe an email for a loaner or something. | 02:04 |
| ieatlint | that sucks | 02:04 |
| alterego | I need to do some more wet testing, then advetise and sell. | 02:05 |
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| alterego | Though, I dunno how many will be interested in such an app. | 02:05 |
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| Termana | alterego, You're going to try and sell an app but make it FOSS at the same time? | 02:09 |
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| ieatlint | the n8 also offers a digital compass | 02:09 |
| alterego | Termana: no, not making it foss | 02:10 |
| ieatlint | and a screen resolution that is a bit smaller, heh | 02:10 |
| alterego | Yeah, still I think it should translate okay. | 02:10 |
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| alterego | hey lcukn900 | 02:14 |
| Jay_BEE | hmm i wonder if Nokia will be at CES in Vegas | 02:15 |
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| Termana | alterego, not FOSS? Oh my, you deviant devil child you! :P | 02:16 |
| * Termana adds sarcasm tag just in case | 02:16 | |
| Jay_BEE | why yes they will | 02:16 |
| alterego | Termana: I don't like it, but I need the money :P | 02:17 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i think i saw that nokia was scheduled to be pushing meego at ces at a minimum | 02:18 |
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| Termana | alterego, it's fine by me. Developers need to eat as well. | 02:21 |
| Termana | rms is looking a bit pale lately, I don't think he is eating | 02:21 |
| Termana | :P | 02:21 |
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| alterego | Heh | 02:22 |
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| alterego | Anyhow, I think it's bed time now :) G'night folks. | 02:33 |
| myuu_ | I think the rootfs might be the culprit | 02:33 |
| myuu_ | 69.2 available | 02:34 |
| myuu_ | could that be slowing down my app manager? | 02:34 |
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| marmoute | myuu_: The app-manger do an "apt-get update" after every "apt-get install" | 02:39 |
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| marmoute | myuu_: The mode repo you have, the more there is to do for each update | 02:40 |
| marmoute | If you need speed, use apt-get from the command line | 02:40 |
| myuu_ | well what about the rootfs | 02:41 |
| myuu_ | is that an ok size to have left? | 02:41 |
| myuu_ | using a different managet i get better speeds | 02:41 |
| myuu_ | **manager | 02:42 |
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| alterego | I'm thinking of implementing an obex ftp server in my app so users can browse and download track data, though it seems like a useless gimmick ;) | 03:04 |
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| nox- | http://wac.2a8f.edgecastcdn.net/802A8F/maw/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Picard-Android.jpg | 03:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | myuu_: 69MB is pretty comfy for rootfs-freespace | 04:40 |
| myuu_ | good cause deleting the bulkier apps | 04:41 |
| myuu_ | isnt doing a thing | 04:41 |
| myuu_ | im up to 73 | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | you don't care about size | 04:42 |
| SpeedEvil | you care about size on / | 04:42 |
| myuu_ | and now I know to stay away from extras-devel unless I need something that is only there | 04:45 |
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| myuu_ | its probably my themes now that I think about it | 04:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Why do you care about size on / | 04:49 |
| myuu_ | its really more about | 04:51 |
| myuu_ | wanting to know why its so full a day after buying it | 04:51 |
| myuu_ | I didnt bother to check what it comes at by default | 04:51 |
| SpeedEvil | There are three main filesystems | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | First you have mydocs - this is 28G or whatever - that's vfat, and is where the camera and stuff saves pictures, and where the USB-mass-storage drive is | 04:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Then you have / - this is 256M which lives right on top of the processor. This has all of the early-boot programs, and some random other stuff. | 04:53 |
| SpeedEvil | then you have /home (also known as opt) which is 4G | 04:53 |
| myuu_ | right and most apps install to opt | 04:54 |
| myuu_ | im not concerned or anything | 04:54 |
| myuu_ | it can all be repartitioned if need be | 04:54 |
| myuu_ | im just doing this to learn | 04:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | You can't. | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | / is 256M, and can not be easily replaced or changed. | 04:59 |
| SpeedEvil | (you can in principle replace it with 512M, but yield is likely to be under 10%, with a skilled operative and good equipment) | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err 2G | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | 2G? That large? | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 05:06 |
| SpeedEvil | right | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h /home | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 491.3M 1.4G 26% /home | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought you meant the POP for a moment | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Battery Gauge die Temperature: 280 Kelvin | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | headfreeze | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | (but I have a lovely electric blanket) | 05:07 |
| SpeedEvil | And bread baking. | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmmyum | 05:08 |
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| user | hi, just wondering how i might connect my nokia n900 in such a way that i can take a dd image of it? | 06:07 |
| user | i wish to muck around with flashing it, but dont wanna lose my data | 06:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | user: your data is safe on /home and ~MyDocs | 06:09 |
| user | DocScrutinizer: i wish to keep all apps and other settings as well though | 06:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | a proper dd img isn't a bad idea nevertheless. Obviously you need a rescue system for a correct img of / | 06:10 |
| user | DocScrutinizer: how would i temporarily load up a rescue image? | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | but backup app is pretty much restoring all apps and settings, aven after a flashing new rootfs | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's not backed up are special edits you did manually to /etc/* | 06:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the like | 06:12 |
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| user | DocScrutinizer: is there a way to load an image only into ram? | 06:13 |
| user | like a live image? | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway if you want to do it the absolute correct way, this might help: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, this is exactly that | 06:13 |
| user | thanks DocScrutinizer | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 06:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | be aware though: it's usually a bad idea to do a physical img of NAND | 06:14 |
| user | i must go now, thanks again DocScrutinizer, much appreciated | 06:14 |
| user | DocScrutinizer: why is that? | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAND has special bad block mgmnt and you can't simply write abck an img | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | a sure way to really break your device as much as possible | 06:16 |
| user | DocScrutinizer: i could use that to take and keep a local image, which i could mount loop, and rsync back though, correct? | 06:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | you need tools like nand_erase and other special tools (can't recall the name) to write to raw nand | 06:16 |
| user | DocScrutinizer: i'll take a look - thanks :) | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess mounting the fs somewhere and do a logical img is a much better way | 06:17 |
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| user | DocScrutinizer: thanks again, much appreciated :) | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | glad to help | 06:18 |
| user | its been a great help :) | 06:18 |
| user | adios! | 06:18 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 08:04 |
| dotblank | I seem unable to install a maemo sysroot in madde | 08:04 |
| dotblank | says it cannot find the sysroot file | 08:04 |
| TiagoTiago | I'm looking for a tutorial on using the losetup command, prefferably taking in consideration any particularities the N900 might have that affect the use, any suggestions? | 08:05 |
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| TiagoTiago | basicly i'm thinking about setting up a virtual disk that is hosted on MyDocs dedicated for installing WebOS games | 08:07 |
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| TiagoTiago | on a file on MyDocs* | 08:08 |
| TiagoTiago | anyone? | 08:10 |
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| TiagoTiago | balls :( | 08:25 |
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| myuu_ | -hey | 08:27 |
| myuu_ | is there a browser that works ok on justin.tv? | 08:27 |
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| TiagoTiago | for watching or transmitting? | 08:42 |
| myuu_ | watching | 08:42 |
| TiagoTiago | what happens when you try with microB. | 08:45 |
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| TiagoTiago | ? | 08:49 |
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| TiagoTiago | anyway, i gotta go, cya | 08:54 |
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| pupnik | moo | 09:02 |
| pupnik | Krugman vs Germany: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/06/23/krugman-criticism-bolsters-weber-in-germany/ | 09:02 |
| pupnik | Wolfgang Franz, who heads the German government’s economic advisory panel known as the Wise Men, tore into Krugman — and the US — in an op-ed in the German business daily Wednesday, titled “How about some facts, Mr. Krugman?” | 09:02 |
| pupnik | “Where did the financial crisis begin? Which central bank conducted monetary policy that was too loose? Which country went down the wrong path of social policy by encouraging low income households to take on mortgage loans that they can never pay back? | 09:02 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 09:05 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~moohoho | 09:05 |
| infobot | i guess moohoho is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t48kkwDhfw&NR=1 | 09:05 |
| RST38h | [Texas] Gov. Rick Perry said Thursday he would support sending U.S. troops into Mexico to fight the drug war. | 09:05 |
| RST38h | ...and good morning to you all. | 09:05 |
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| Macer | ugh | 09:14 |
| Macer | this damn signal keeps moving between 3G and 3.5G | 09:15 |
| Macer | and it makes my phone stutter | 09:15 |
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| Macer | it is driving me nuts :) | 09:16 |
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| RST38h | Don't talk on the cell phone while driving! | 09:18 |
| * RST38h cackles | 09:18 | |
| RST38h | (seriously though, you can force it into 2G mode and leave it there, if there are handoff problems with 3G) | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | check chanlog of maybe last 3 days about 3.5G | 09:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's no such thing like sgnal moving 3 to 3.5 | 09:20 |
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| Dhraakellian | darnit | 09:31 |
| Dhraakellian | DHR set off my highlights again | 09:31 |
| Dhraakellian | guess I should be a little more specific with my regex | 09:31 |
| Dhraakellian | today/tomorrow or the next day, I need to un-narf my package management | 09:32 |
| Dhraakellian | things got a little confused when I tried to install kdepim-mobile | 09:33 |
| Dhraakellian | two different and differently named packages for clucene trying to be installed | 09:33 |
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| Dhraakellian | ah, well, too late (or early, depending on vantage point) to figure it out now. The phone's still workin', and I need to be doing the same in about 6 hours, so I really need to head to bed | 09:34 |
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| Khertan | ... my usb connector move more and more | 10:48 |
| * Khertan fer | 10:48 | |
| * Khertan fear | 10:48 | |
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| CableTwitch | Yo | 10:49 |
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| myuu_ | careful khertan | 10:53 |
| myuu_ | wouldnt want it to break off in the port | 10:53 |
| Khertan | yep | 10:54 |
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| CableTwitch | As long as you're nnot swinging it around by the USB lead, he shouldnt break it ;O) | 10:57 |
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| Termana | CableTwitch, is that what you think everyone else that got theirs broken was doing? (swinging around by the cable) | 11:05 |
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| CableTwitch | Termana: Nah, its just those connectors arent made of glass, and can take a few hits. Unless you do something REALLY supid. | 11:22 |
| CableTwitch | Stupid too. | 11:22 |
| myuu_ | weve all heard the stories | 11:23 |
| myuu_ | from this particular model tho | 11:23 |
| myuu_ | better safe than sorry | 11:23 |
| myuu_ | and it does feel weak, in my opinion | 11:23 |
| myuu_ | tho its probably an easy fix | 11:24 |
| myuu_ | if you have some tweezers | 11:24 |
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| CableTwitch | I dropped mine on its port while the USB cable was plugged in. The port stayed attaced to the Mobo, but the interbals of the port did snap. | 11:28 |
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| * trumee Finally jumped the gun and installed power-kernel. N900 USB router is awesome. | 11:39 | |
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| sjk | is installing power-kernel a tedious process? | 11:44 |
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| lolloo | how do I install thp's taskswitcher patch for having bigger thumbnails in the switcher? | 12:05 |
| lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63419&page=10 | 12:05 |
| lolloo | found this, | 12:05 |
| lolloo | but it's kind of hard to do | 12:05 |
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| alterego | And someone said it'd be easy? | 12:06 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 12:07 |
| lolloo | found this | 12:08 |
| alterego | looks like you just install a package | 12:08 |
| lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=882567&postcount=94 | 12:08 |
| alterego | single column or double column depending on what you prefer. | 12:08 |
| lolloo | hey alterego, congrats on your progress | 12:08 |
| alterego | thanks :) | 12:08 |
| lolloo | you got yourself testers I see. | 12:08 |
| lolloo | I hope it goes all well! | 12:08 |
| alterego | Yeah, got a few little things to sort out, but it's mostly done, bluetooth was the last major feature. | 12:09 |
| lolloo | oh man cant wait! something fresh! | 12:10 |
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| lolloo | it still says incompatibile | 12:34 |
| lolloo | ok found this | 12:37 |
| lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=839445&postcount=50 | 12:38 |
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| trumee | sjk: no was quite simple. | 13:13 |
| trumee | sjk: install through FAP, and a reboot. | 13:13 |
| Termana | But don't do that too hard | 13:13 |
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| Termana | ba dum tssss | 13:13 |
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| crashanddie | Holy crap: http://orrent-finder.com | 13:16 |
| crashanddie | shoot, http://torrent-finder.com | 13:16 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, The U.S. Government now has the power to seize domains under US control and where domains are not under US control, force US ISPs to actively block access to the domain. | 13:24 |
| alterego | sloooooooow | 13:24 |
| Termana | crashanddie, also - they need to find a better graphics artist that backdrop just looks cheesy | 13:25 |
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| crashanddie | I think it's about time we launched that p2p self-manage dns/tcp framework | 13:26 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, can still go here: http://torrent-finder.info/ (AFAIK it's the same site, but this domain hasn't been seized by the government) | 13:32 |
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| crashanddie | nha, idc about torrents | 13:33 |
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| crashanddie | i mean, i'm sick of governments meddling with the web | 13:33 |
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| myuu_ | yeah its the principle of the matter | 13:38 |
| myuu_ | i mean thats a terrible site to go to for torrents anyway | 13:38 |
| alterego | Oh, someone has made a qml desktop widget loader, neat. | 13:40 |
| Termana | Wouldn't have a clue - I don't have enough bandwidth for torrents | 13:40 |
| Termana | :op | 13:40 |
| Termana | :p * | 13:40 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, seems like a standard thing for the US. The US Government wants to extend itself to where ever it can and enforce it's laws on it citizens no matter where they are - overseas, online, accessing overseas content online. | 13:42 |
| Termana | Too bad Australia wants to meddle as well | 13:42 |
| Termana | I couldn't care less what the US does, but what Australia does directly affects me :p | 13:42 |
| alterego | booooored | 13:44 |
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| tzafrir | I have a new n900. I'd like to copy over some pictures to my laptop (Debian Linux). How do I do that? | 13:52 |
| tzafrir | I was not able to see any partitions on the disk in USB mode. | 13:52 |
| tzafrir | Or should I use some software with the PC-Suite mode? | 13:52 |
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| Corsac | tzafrir: select “mass storage” then mount whatever partition appear? | 13:53 |
| tzafrir | Corsac, I see two new discs (sdb and sdc) | 13:55 |
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| tzafrir | Their IDs are usb-Nokia_N900_372041756775-0:0:0 and usb-Nokia_N900_372041756775-0:1 | 13:56 |
| tzafrir | I don't see them in /proc/partitions | 13:56 |
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| tzafrir | When I try to mount the disk device directly, mount seems to hang | 13:56 |
| tzafrir | I didn't wait long enough: mount: /dev/sdb: unknown device | 13:57 |
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| tzafrir | Corsac, any idea what causes the above? | 13:59 |
| * NooBmonk3y waves | 14:01 | |
| NooBmonk3y | stupid question :) - is it possible to get the phones imei number from terminal? | 14:01 |
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| Termana | NooBmonk3y, dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei | 14:02 |
| alterego | dbus I think you can query it. | 14:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty :) | 14:02 |
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| Wizzup | Has anyone ordered something from http://nokia-n900.com/store/ before? I'm just wondering since the site looks a bit ... weird? | 14:21 |
| pronto | i personaly don't trust it | 14:21 |
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| Wizzup | Shame, would be nice to get a solar charger and a battery with free shipping. I'll see if I can find something on the forum about this site | 14:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, cn you think of any clever way to test the n900 IR sender? | 14:25 |
| luke-jr | Wizzup: if you're payign w/ PayPal, not sure how it can go bad | 14:26 |
| BCMM | NooBmonk3y: the camera can probably see ir | 14:26 |
| BCMM | use a mirror | 14:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmm... thinking in Healthcheck... | 14:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | can determine if it exists, but testit it aint easy | 14:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | testing* | 14:26 |
| BCMM | well, the only way to test that infrared comes out is to detect the infrared | 14:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol good point | 14:28 |
| BCMM | healthcheck has cam tests, right? | 14:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | well the new one hasn't but will do :P | 14:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | the problem is, the IR faces the wrong way for the camera to easily point at a mirror :p | 14:28 |
| BCMM | just make it possible to flash the ir while doing that | 14:29 |
| BCMM | NooBmonk3y: now with a slight tilt | 14:29 |
| BCMM | unless it's highly directional | 14:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm might give that a go when i get the camera tests working :) | 14:29 |
| BCMM | you could scatter it with a sheet of paper | 14:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | good point | 14:29 |
| tzafrir | anybody? | 14:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | Free mirror with every free download of healthcheck lol ;) | 14:30 |
| BCMM | i actually cannot work out how to do this with irreco and the cam app | 14:30 |
| BCMM | unless there is a really long ir code for it | 14:30 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :p | 14:30 |
| BCMM | which brings me to: anyone know of a tvbgone-style function for the n900? | 14:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm one last unrelated question, is it possible via dbus or terminal to get the local phone number from the sim? | 14:31 |
| BCMM | do sim cards even know? | 14:31 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: I think so. | 14:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo | 14:31 |
| alterego | I think there's a dbus command. | 14:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, ! oooOooOoo! | 14:31 |
| alterego | I can't help other wise though :P | 14:32 |
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| NooBmonk3y | BRB | 14:36 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: thanks for yesterdays mention of "remote SCSI"; iSCSI worked perfectly and windows has a native client. | 14:43 |
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| javispedro | ... and to think I was going to roll my own solution ... | 14:43 |
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| tzafrir | ok, I give up on mounting. Giving ssh a shot | 14:44 |
| tzafrir | I was able to connect with ssh using root, but not using 'user' | 14:44 |
| tzafrir | I did not set a password for it anywhere, but I copied over an authorised key file (from root) | 14:45 |
| alterego | Make sure the permissions on the file are correct. | 14:46 |
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| tzafrir | Permissins seem to be ok. But is it possible that sshd is fussy about the group being "users"? | 14:46 |
| javispedro | iirc the passwd file on stock maemo says "user" is disabled | 14:46 |
| javispedro | also says that about "root" | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | you need the right permissions on ~/,ssh too | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | and ~ | 14:47 |
| tzafrir | hmm... let's see. .ssh is already 700 . ~ is 755 (so not writable by anybody else) | 14:48 |
| tzafrir | I tried changing it to 700, and still no luck | 14:48 |
| tzafrir | authorized_keys is 600 | 14:48 |
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| tzafrir | javispedro, hmm... so I have to set a password for the user to use a pubkey authentication? | 14:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have a password set for user, and it works | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I dunno | 14:51 |
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| tzafrir | right. sshd tells me that the user is disabled | 14:52 |
| tzafrir | But I had to start a separate sshd to see that | 14:52 |
| tzafrir | Where can I see messages sent to syslog ? | 14:52 |
| Commo | good morning... probably stupid question: how do i auto-reject calls on the n900? the mycontacts applications seems to provide that feature i cant really figure out how to enable it though... | 14:53 |
| tzafrir | I would really love to avoid setting a password for the user. I see that passwords are saved in /etc/passwd and use DES crypt | 14:54 |
| tzafrir | So anybody running code on the device can have a shot at my password. | 14:55 |
| tzafrir | Any way to avoid that? | 14:55 |
| myuu_ | isnt there a script that autoblocks incoming calls | 14:55 |
| myuu_ | you just have to add them to a textfile | 14:55 |
| myuu_ | **add the numbers | 14:55 |
| javispedro | tzafrir: set a random string as password hash | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884348&postcount=8 | 14:55 |
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| myuu_ | I think I saw it on youtube | 14:55 |
| tzafrir | javispedro, I would like to avoid that, if not necessary | 14:56 |
| javispedro | tzafrir: like "*"; anything that cannot be the result of crypt() | 14:56 |
| javispedro | tzafrir: why? | 14:56 |
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| tzafrir | javispedro, thanks. Replacing the '!' with a '*' did the trick | 14:57 |
| tzafrir | (for user 'user') | 14:57 |
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| tzafrir | now, will digikam work over ssh? | 14:58 |
| javispedro | ask whoever made digikam :) | 14:58 |
| Commo | or is there maybe a different way to autoreject calls than mycontacts? :s | 15:00 |
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| tzafrir | no luck there. They probably rely on kde "mounts", which I don't want to use | 15:06 |
| tzafrir | and I'm still unable to use the simple method of mounting a USB storage device | 15:06 |
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| tzafrir | (doesn't work. See above) | 15:06 |
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| CableTwitch | Ahh, there we go. | 15:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi guys | 15:09 |
| myuu_ | did you try the application Commo? | 15:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | no, I haven't | 15:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | what does it do? | 15:10 |
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| myuu_ | youre commo? it blocks calls | 15:10 |
| myuu_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E89B4RspcfM | 15:10 |
| myuu_ | its a py script | 15:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | sounds nice | 15:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | Khertan, good afternoon | 15:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I'm beginning to question AutoDisconect's usefulness | 15:17 |
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| alterego | Well, I don't use it :P | 15:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | heh | 15:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | maybe I shouldn't either | 15:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | but sometimes it is really good | 15:20 |
| myuu_ | yeah I wouldnt use an app called auto disconnect | 15:20 |
| myuu_ | what does it do? | 15:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | it disconnetcs connections from which I forget to disconnect | 15:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | saves lots of battery | 15:20 |
| myuu_ | idk why you would forget | 15:20 |
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| myuu_ | oh well I carry a spare too | 15:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | but the problem is, I can't tell it not to do so when I'm ircing | 15:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | at least it doesn't disconnect while the screen is on | 15:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | maybe I should talk to its author | 15:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | ~seen Khertan | 15:22 |
| infobot | khertan is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 4h 28m 26s, last said: 'yep'. | 15:22 |
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| alterego | ffs | 15:28 |
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| Termana | Time to partah. | 15:31 |
| * Termana does the birthday jiggle | 15:32 | |
| Termana | Pfft. What a boring lot you guys are. And to think I schedule you guys in for the whole day for my birthday, like I had nothing else to do (*COUGH* I don't *COUGH*) | 15:33 |
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| alterego | Happy birthday :) | 15:34 |
| Termana | alterego, thanks :p | 15:35 |
| Termana | alterego, up for some.... SQUARE DANCIN'? YEEHAW :p | 15:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:35 |
| alterego | At the moment I'm trying to validate my satellite widget is rendering correctly. | 15:36 |
| alterego | For some reason it disagrees with maps on the N810 | 15:36 |
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| Termana | alterego, is this the thing you said you were planning to sell? How do you intend to also sell it on the N810? | 15:37 |
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| alterego | I don't. | 15:37 |
| alterego | It doesn't work on the N810 | 15:37 |
| alterego | I'm using the N810 built in "Maps" application to see if the satellite position rendering aligns. | 15:38 |
| alterego | It doesn't, so I think I might be doing something wrong. | 15:38 |
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| alterego | IT's pretty simple geometry. | 15:41 |
| alterego | Don't know why I keep screwing it up ^.6 | 15:41 |
| alterego | Interesting, it seems mirrored, which might mean my elevation is reversed. | 15:46 |
| * MohammadAG stabs Termana with a candle | 15:46 | |
| MohammadAG | or you're underground | 15:46 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, as long as it didn't go out - I still get a girlfriend!.... | 15:49 |
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| * alterego is starting to think that the bug is in the Maemo 4 Maps application .. | 16:01 | |
| alterego | No way to validate though :/ | 16:02 |
| tzafrir | hmm... I ended up just rsyncing the files over to my system | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: google maps | 16:03 |
| nidO | alterego - no way to compare it on the n900 itself? | 16:03 |
| alterego | Google maps can't ply the constellation :P | 16:03 |
| alterego | ~display .. | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: it can give you lat/lon | 16:04 |
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| alterego | It's just my display dial that I'm trying to validate. | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:04 |
| alterego | I need to know if my azimuth/elevation conversion is working and display the satellites relative position correctly. | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | umm | 16:05 |
| alterego | Anyhow, minor issue I can resolve next week when I borrow my dads Garmin :) | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | there was an app that had a az/el | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | maetracks or something | 16:05 |
| alterego | The lib location test app does actually. | 16:05 |
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| lcuk_idea | alterego, with all your gps looking, have you seen cloudgps? | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It just shows signal strengths | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | not alt/az | 16:06 |
| lcuk_idea | one of the most fantasticly super slick apps on maemo :) | 16:06 |
| alterego | Hrm, oh yeah. | 16:06 |
| alterego | lcuk_idea: I have heard about it yeah. | 16:06 |
| alterego | He uses OpenGL to render a map. | 16:06 |
| lcuk_idea | yes :) very nicely done, shows how a well tuned app can make optimal use of the resources :) | 16:07 |
| javispedro | it cheats tho :) | 16:07 |
| alterego | If it works it's not cheating .. | 16:08 |
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| lcuk_idea | "A wise man once said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" | 16:09 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Was it Penn or Teller? | 16:09 |
| lcuk_idea | javispedro, why do you suggest it cheats? | 16:09 |
| alterego | Because he's one task in life is to discount the hard work of others' :P | 16:10 |
| alterego | ~his .. | 16:10 |
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| alterego | lcuk_idea: have you seen my latest screenshots? | 16:11 |
| alterego | I'm going to be getting a few people to help test the app next week and give me feedback. | 16:11 |
| lcuk_idea | no alterego i have been getting aquanted with this meego ideapad | 16:11 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:11 |
| alterego | lcuk_idea: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101120-175812.png | 16:12 |
| * lcuk_idea has learnt to write on a chalk board | 16:12 | |
| alterego | That's my refined status view. | 16:12 |
| javispedro | lcuk_idea: because it doesn't use xrandr to rotate, like harmattan :) | 16:13 |
| alterego | O_o | 16:13 |
| alterego | What has that got to do with anything? | 16:14 |
| lcuk_idea | javispedro, it uses the power of awesomeness tho | 16:14 |
| lcuk_idea | the fade in/out transition on the buttons themselves is nifty and a really clean way to do it | 16:14 |
| * lcuk_idea spent quite some time talking with damion at the conf | 16:15 | |
| GAN900 | Good riddance to bad rubish. | 16:15 |
| lcuk_idea | which | 16:15 |
| GAN900 | The Netbook UX is just broken. | 16:15 |
| lcuk_idea | well what have you replaced it with | 16:15 |
| alterego | ubuntu I bet :P | 16:15 |
| alterego | Or windows 7! :D | 16:16 |
| * lcuk_idea wants to put handset image on it | 16:16 | |
| GAN900 | Ubuntu for now. | 16:16 |
| * lcuk_idea sighs | 16:16 | |
| GAN900 | Using the Mini 9 more than the Lenovo, though. | 16:16 |
| RST38h | Netbook = Laptop | 16:16 |
| RST38h | So, netbooks do not require separate UI | 16:17 |
| alterego | GAN900: I'll swap you another Mini9 for your Lenovo :) | 16:17 |
| GAN900 | alterego, no. | 16:17 |
| alterego | :( | 16:17 |
| GAN900 | I'd love to swap the two of them for a MacBook Air. | 16:17 |
| RST38h | The only reason why everyone does Meego on netbooks is because Moblin has been specifically developed for them and on them | 16:17 |
| alterego | GAN900: awful | 16:17 |
| GAN900 | Functional! | 16:18 |
| alterego | And what's wrong with the Mini 9? | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | Non-crap trackpad, keyboard and screen. | 16:18 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | Not a lot, bit constrained in all senses, though. | 16:18 |
| alterego | Have you used an Air? | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 16:18 |
| RST38h | GAN: And you call it functional? | 16:18 |
| alterego | I dunno, they look sleek, like all Crapple products do, but the price tag is just as pathetically high. | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, I don't use laptops as my primary computing device | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Ah ok | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | I have Mac Pro for that | 16:19 |
| * RST38h uses a subnotebook as his primary computing device, and the Air would not fit the requirements | 16:19 | |
| lcuk_idea | GAN900, then why did you not keep meego on it - with meego base, it should be possible to switch uxes as they come out | 16:19 |
| lcuk_idea | or that was my impression :P | 16:19 |
| alterego | Despite what "they" say GAN900 these products wont help you find a girlfriend ;) | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | alterego, yeah, but everything else in that size range uses crap screens, crap trackpads and crap keyboards. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | alterego: a boyfriend, on the other hand... | 16:20 |
| alterego | RST38h: sounds like you're interested ;) | 16:20 |
| GAN900 | lcuk_idea, because I don't have that much patience. | 16:20 |
| GAN900 | alterego, says you. | 16:20 |
| RST38h | alterego: as an armchair antropologist, yes, by all means =) | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | Actually, Apple has lost all of its fashion appeal over here. | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | Every idiot with $100 has an iPhone. | 16:21 |
| lcuk_idea | GAN900, you have many computers running various things, this one just added to that collection | 16:22 |
| alterego | GAN900: and you're saying they've lost their fashion appeal? | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | alterego, nobody's impressed by an Apple logo at the coffee shop anymore. | 16:22 |
| RST38h | GAN: So, what is the next big fashion gadget then? | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | Good question | 16:23 |
| alterego | Dell | 16:23 |
| javispedro | pfft | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Nooooooooooooooo | 16:23 |
| GAN900 | The iPhone's still it from a buyer's perspective | 16:23 |
| javispedro | don't make me laugh :) | 16:23 |
| GAN900 | But nobody else actually cares if you have one. | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Then Apple has not lost its appeal | 16:23 |
| RST38h | Fashion is not always the same as Prestige =) | 16:24 |
| GAN900 | Right, apologies for the N900-keyboard imprecision. ;) | 16:24 |
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| Termana | I'm sorry, I didn't realise we were a bunch of no brains buying gadgets because they were in fashion | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | Heh, KDE has got its own Tracker | 16:25 |
| Termana | Now excuse me while I go drive my car the wrong way down a one way street | 16:25 |
| javispedro | RST38h: with exciting name! | 16:25 |
| javispedro | Nepromuk iirc? | 16:25 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Nepomuk is related to Tracker afaik | 16:25 |
| RST38h | javispedro: But check out Akonadi | 16:26 |
| javispedro | Akonadi is PIM-only | 16:26 |
| RST38h | Ah | 16:26 |
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| javispedro | does what evolution-data-server does afaik | 16:26 |
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| RST38h | So, it is not Akonadi replacing tracker, it is tracker wishing to replace akonadi | 16:26 |
| javispedro | heh | 16:27 |
| RST38h | By indexing addresses and communications too | 16:27 |
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| GAN900 | Spotlight's the only indexing service I've seen that works halfway OK. | 16:27 |
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| GAN900 | Tracker is just comical. | 16:27 |
| Termana | Darn it pressed the wrong button :p | 16:27 |
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| RST38h | just having goals different from yours (and 99.99999% other people) | 16:28 |
| RST38h | But in itself, Tracker is a wonderful academic project :) | 16:28 |
| GAN900 | Perhaps we should get them grant money. | 16:28 |
| RST38h | On a condition of staying away from certain personal communication devices (list included)? | 16:29 |
| alterego | tracker is designed to index everything .. | 16:29 |
| alterego | Something to do with the semantic web aswell I'd imagine. | 16:29 |
| alterego | Data clouds and stuff. | 16:29 |
| derf | If you exclude 99.99999% of people, there's still like 600 people left. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Yes, it is trying to build ontologies of the indexed data afaik | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Cloud stuff has nothing to do with it though | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Also, people have been trying to build ontologies for at least 15 years now (probably more like 20-22),with very few practical results | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | derf: ...and 550 of them are Chinese. | 16:31 |
| alterego | But it's the foundations of the semantic web maaaan! | 16:31 |
| RST38h | Sorry, wrong math,make it 150. | 16:32 |
| javispedro | probably, because endusers are still to the set the net immediate benefit | 16:32 |
| lcuk_idea | derf, what a cute observation :) | 16:32 |
| javispedro | s/to the set/to see/ | 16:32 |
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| infobot | javispedro meant: probably, because endusers are still to see the net immediate benefit | 16:32 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Well, rthe research proposals all look wonderful | 16:32 |
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| RST38h | javispedro:Especially ones made to various national security related organizations | 16:32 |
| alterego | I started a semantic project at my previous job, the management didn't understand the net benifit either. | 16:33 |
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| alterego | They couldn't understand why it'd be better than what they already had. | 16:33 |
| alterego | I thought that point was quite clear though :/ | 16:33 |
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| derf | I never knew what to do with those proposals. | 16:33 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Usually go along the lines of "computers to automatically analyze collected intelligence information, looking for links connecting suspects, instantly giving you cohesive intelligence related to your query" | 16:34 |
| derf | Our company wanted to bid on them, but you could never tell what the sponsoring organization wanted you to actually _do_. | 16:34 |
| loft306 | hey guys is there a default lock code for the N900? | 16:34 |
| derf | So it was like, how the gekk do I write a proposal to that? | 16:34 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Once you start actually doing it, things get mighty hairy though | 16:34 |
| RST38h | derf: But that is an advantage | 16:34 |
| RST38h | derf: They basically want you to TELL them what they want | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | RST38h: And use that cohesive intelligence to automatically dispatch a GPS-guided missile? | 16:35 |
| derf | To a normal person, yes. | 16:35 |
| derf | But not to me. | 16:35 |
| alterego | RST38h: that's the exact proposal I had for Tyco! | 16:35 |
| RST38h | derf: So, you just turn on a bit of fantays and put together a proposal | 16:35 |
| RST38h | alterego: Why would Tyco want this stuff, I do not know | 16:36 |
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| derf | Well the problem is that a) you have to promise to deliver something, b) it has to be better than your competitors promise, and c) you have to be able to claim success at the end. | 16:36 |
| RST38h | There are two Tycos, one is into toys another into tires | 16:36 |
| alterego | Becase Tyco develop software solutions that the gov't use. | 16:36 |
| derf | a) I was okay with. b) and c) are hard | 16:36 |
| RST38h | derf: Ok, let me start with b) | 16:36 |
| alterego | I was a software engineer writing software for the intelligence services. | 16:36 |
| RST38h | derf: You avoid b) by carefully crafting your proposal to propose different thign from the competition | 16:36 |
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| RST38h | derf: And explain why different thing is better, as it does what other thigns do not do | 16:37 |
| loft306 | yay found it.... | 16:37 |
| alterego | I thought it was a pretty good idea, some others' thought it was a really good idea, but it just didn't get the wind to sail unfortunately. | 16:37 |
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| derf | RST38h: That sounds like something you would do at a company actually invovled in the field who researches their competitors. | 16:37 |
| RST38h | derf: a) and c) are related, and you solve them by promising to deliver a proof-of-concept solution | 16:37 |
| RST38h | derf: and defining it really loosely | 16:38 |
| derf | As opposed to one where they say, "Hey, this has been bouncing around my inbox for 3 months, but now it's due in 3 days, can you write something for it?" | 16:38 |
| joga | loft306, what was it? | 16:38 |
| derf | On a Friday. | 16:38 |
| RST38h | alterego: a small demo always helps more than a dozen proposals btw ;) | 16:38 |
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| alterego | RST38h: yes, something I learned that day ;) | 16:38 |
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| loft306 | joga http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35998 2nd post | 16:39 |
| derf | Running code trumps vast amounts of speculation. | 16:39 |
| RST38h | alterego: And yes, people have been known to fake those demos (see Boeing and its JSF prototype aka "Monica") | 16:39 |
| alterego | Well, I worked on the project a lot in my own spare time, was working really well. Then I got made redundant so the project is collecting dust on my backup drive. | 16:40 |
| joga | loft306, ah, k. I just ran john the ripper to get the code, I bought mine used :) | 16:40 |
| joga | the guy who sold it forgot to tell the code so it was faster than waiting for an answer in mail :) | 16:40 |
| joga | now I know his birthday heh | 16:40 |
| loft306 | i expected a type in your comde window bit | 16:41 |
| loft306 | then i was like crap | 16:41 |
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| Bash1 | http://i.imgur.com/D9ZGU.jpg | 16:44 |
| Bash1 | oops wrong server | 16:44 |
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| ciccio7702 | ciao | 16:50 |
| ciccio7702 | !list | 16:51 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, :) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=884418#post884418 | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, Figure out how to determine phone number via dbus! <--? | 17:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah | 17:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | <alterego> I think there's a dbus command. :) - so i'ma hunting | 17:05 |
| alterego | :) | 17:05 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I think there isn't one | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | you can get IMSI and IMEI, but not phone number | 17:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, i will sqeeze this n900 dry until i've found it lol | 17:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | if only dbus was properly documented ;) | 17:07 |
| alterego | Hrm, | 17:08 |
| alterego | Maybe it's in the user contact card in the contact db? | 17:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm | 17:08 |
| frals | no | 17:08 |
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| NooBmonk3y | frals, almost sounded authoratitative then | 17:09 |
| frals | or well, if the user puts it there, but its not stored anywhere by default | 17:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | :P | 17:09 |
| * NooBmonk3y just made up a new word n liked it lol | 17:09 | |
| MohammadAG | alterego, maybe, but I'm sure it's not accessible via dbus by default | 17:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, maybe healthcheck should grow arms and bitch slap the user until they tell me their number? ;) | 17:10 |
| frals | as MohammadAG said you can get imei/imsi but not sim cards own number | 17:10 |
| frals | because its not stored on sim by default | 17:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | frals, ..... does the n900 allow using the ussd commands etc to get your number? | 17:10 |
| * NooBmonk3y hasnt kept up to date with that lot of stuff | 17:11 | |
| MohammadAG | it's not a standard GSM code | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | i.e my operator doesn't even use USSD for most of this stuff | 17:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm | 17:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | just thinking , if the phone doesnt store it, can it be requested in any way from the operator? | 17:11 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, you are brainy, can you think of any other ways to get the local phone number? | 17:14 |
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| * lcuk_idea reads scrollback | 17:15 | |
| lcuk_idea | NooBmonk3y, i asked myself, afaik you need a ussd code | 17:15 |
| lcuk_idea | but it makes sense also to add a contact for yourself (for ICE purposes) | 17:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm..... wonder if there is a generic list somewhere :) | 17:15 |
| lcuk_idea | i just have my number in there too | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk_idea, there's no standard USSD code | 17:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | as i already know the network being used | 17:16 |
| lcuk_idea | call mandy and ask her :P | 17:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, maybe not but i can cater for most :) - as i know the network | 17:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | so could list all known ussd codes per network | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, that'd be racist for me | 17:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol lcuk , she is baking cakes ;) | 17:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ussd'ist | 17:17 |
| lcuk_idea | mmmm bacon cake | 17:17 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, focus on more health check related stuff :) | 17:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 17:17 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yes daddy | 17:18 |
| MohammadAG | like, capture volume keys and camera key for a button test | 17:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh pooo, forgotten about button tests | 17:18 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, do a drop test | 17:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | "Drop the N900, if you see the message on the screen, it survived the drop" | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | "If not..." | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Emergency service response time test. | 17:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Play a machine-gun and screams over 911. | 17:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 17:23 |
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| lcuk_idea | SpeedEvil, you earnt your name with that quote | 17:27 |
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| alterego | I wonder if I could use tracker to create waypoints from images taken with the N900 | 17:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 17:48 |
| alterego | Aloha | 17:49 |
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| RST38h | alterego: only if it indexes gps data | 17:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: if geotags are turned on, then maybe | 17:50 |
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| RST38h | which it probably does not at the moment | 17:50 |
| alterego | I think it does actually. | 17:50 |
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| alterego | I vaguely remember seeing it, but I might be wrong. | 17:50 |
| * RST38h wonders if Maep author would consider adding photos found in the device to the map, automatically | 17:50 | |
| Venemo_N900 | maybe | 17:51 |
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| RST38h | "Symbian Foundation has now announced that its websites will shut down on December 17th. Source repositories will no longer be hosted online, and user-submitted content databases may be available later upon request." | 17:55 |
| Corsac | wtf | 17:55 |
| RST38h | Somuch for "open-sourcing" Symbian. | 17:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | this is lol | 17:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | seems that open sourcing didn't help them much anyway | 17:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | but I thought that they'll leave it OSS | 17:57 |
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| Corsac | well, you'll still be able to request a dvd | 17:57 |
| derf | Maybe. | 17:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 18:00 |
| alterego | Quick download the source and fork! | 18:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 18:00 |
| alterego | Then startup a new site called the Symbium Foiundation. | 18:00 |
| alterego | ~Foundation .. | 18:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: honestly... what for? | 18:05 |
| alterego | Meh, | 18:05 |
| alterego | posterity? | 18:05 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :D | 18:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | is Mathan ever on irc? | 18:13 |
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| Venemo_N900 | how much of MicroB is open? | 18:19 |
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| Jaffa | Venemo_N900: Mathan or Matan? | 18:25 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: dunno. I mean the guy who makes hacks for the hildon-desktop | 18:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: maybe he's Matan? | 18:33 |
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| MohammadAG | and trolls | 18:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | trolls? | 18:37 |
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| GAN900 | Matan loves trolling | 18:43 |
| GAN900 | It's his favorite hobby. | 18:43 |
| RST38h | He isn't very professional at it though | 18:44 |
| GAN900 | And consistent | 18:44 |
| Texrat | lol | 18:45 |
| Texrat | true | 18:45 |
| MohammadAG | hey Texrat | 18:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | GAN900: lol :D | 18:47 |
| b-man` | hey Texrat, long time no see :) | 18:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | so does he ever come to irc? | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, thankfully | 18:47 |
| b-man` | once in a while | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | <Venemo_N900> trolls? | 18:47 |
| Texrat | hey guys | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | I meant he hacks and trolls at the same time | 18:47 |
| alterego | Hey Texrat | 18:48 |
| b-man` | he should stick to hacking lol | 18:48 |
| alterego | Texrat: long time no see ;) | 18:48 |
| GAN900 | Texrat, you need to idle more. I had something funny to tell you yesterday, now I can't remember it. | 18:48 |
| Texrat | sorry, I forget to also drop in here... | 18:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I understand | 18:48 |
| Texrat | feh... I was busy all day yesterda | 18:48 |
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| Jay_BEE | hiyas | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, no fun in bashing good hackers that are poor at trolling | 18:54 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 19:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 19:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~seen fcrochik | 19:15 |
| infobot | fcrochik <~communi@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 6d 3h 2m 13s ago, saying: 'ok...something "funny".... on the ideapad "sudo zypper install rpm-build" crashes with segmentation fault when downloading elfutils-lib... if I install it by itself and then the rest it works... it is just my luck these days!'. | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884450&postcount=77 I suggest you include some BOLD size=4 editing on the "new package is fixed" part. Even better: *please* include a pointer to a up-to-date tested_to_work idiot hardened installation instruction | 19:19 |
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| lardman | afternoon all | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo | 19:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey | 19:20 |
| lardman | hey chaps | 19:20 |
| Texrat | hello | 19:21 |
| lardman | hi Texrat, long time no see | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: also an explanation about zhings we are interested in, and things to better take elsewhere (like fcam incompatibilities) should go to such a generic installation instruction | 19:21 |
| pupnik | end ... of... 2010... >_< | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: carpe diem | 19:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | pupnik: what's the problem with that? | 19:23 |
| lardman | have to remember the new year when writing cheques | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | last party I tried to kickoff was 20.02. 2002 20:02, alas I sucked on invitations. Maybe they change calendar to get >= 20 months/year, until 2020 ;-P | 19:25 |
| RST38h | moo lardman | 19:26 |
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| lardman | moo RST38h | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | moohoho | 19:27 |
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| b-man` | ~moo | 19:27 |
| * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass | 19:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~moohoho | 19:27 |
| infobot | somebody said moohoho was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t48kkwDhfw&NR=1 | 19:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as those 20 months/y seem unlikely, maybe I should go for 2020 week 20, +20h20m | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or UGT timestamp 202020202020 | 19:32 |
| lardman | and start a rumour that this is the new end of the world as predicted by a recently discovered Mayan thread calendar? | 19:33 |
| lardman | ;) | 19:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 19:33 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how to fight his SantaClaus-trophoby | 19:34 | |
| pupnik | write visualization effects for christmas | 19:34 |
| * lardman hates trying to find bad data so he can show examples of how to process it | 19:36 | |
| SpeedEvil | I know of a source of 180GB of xml. | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeerrrr? o.O?? | 19:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Would that be of use? | 19:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol SpeedEvil | 19:36 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: OSM? | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | processing is fecking easy: rm -rf | 19:37 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm | 19:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe DocScrutinizer | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | what else could you possibly do with bad data | 19:38 |
| kerio | but... it's our Planet! | 19:38 |
| kerio | .osm | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Fix it. | 19:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Auto-determine the degree of badness. | 19:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Find out who is to blame. | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually there's no way to fix bad data, you can only replace it by better data | 19:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sure there is. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | knowledge about degree of badness is useless | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Taking the above as an example. | 19:40 |
| SpeedEvil | If you have higway:primary as a key - it's certainly a typo for highway:primary | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | the above is an extemely poor example. Not the data but the object to deliver the data is bad | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | And degree of badness per unit area can be a useful pointer as to places that need fixed | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: learn to abstract: that's not bad data, that's bad formatting | 19:42 |
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| lardman | nah, bad thermal image data is what I need | 19:42 |
| lardman | but not so bad that it can't be cleaned up, just on the cusp | 19:42 |
| lardman | all good fun | 19:43 |
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| * SpeedEvil passes lardman a pile of old faxes. | 19:43 | |
| lardman | lol | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's bad data. The data is entered by the users - and they typoed it. | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's data about user state of mind | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and actually poor data | 19:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe my def of data and distinction to info is flawed | 19:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe correct def of data is "formated info" | 19:46 |
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| alterego | data doesn't have to be formatted :) | 19:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, data has a auto-restart for his positron matrix | 19:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:49 |
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| alterego | Wondering whether to use flat file or database to store my tracklogs ... | 19:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It would be nice (for me) to be able to upload to http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces | 19:52 |
| sjk | alterego, what maemo applications are you developing? | 19:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | However, I'd like to be able to specify a few circles in the world to punch out of the tracklogs before upload. | 19:53 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: they use GPX right? | 19:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 19:53 |
| alterego | My app exports that fine. | 19:54 |
| alterego | I'm talking about native format, :) | 19:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | I mean auto-upload. | 19:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | flat files have big plusses. | 19:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | what is a flat file? | 19:55 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: hrm, yeah, I've been thinking about linking with web services. | 19:55 |
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| alterego | I've got a plugin interface, so people can add that sort of functionailty :) | 19:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: sounds nice | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~dict lore | 19:57 |
| infobot | Dictionary 'lore' (1 of 6): \Lore\, obs. imp. & p. p. of {Lose}. [See {Lose}.] Lost. [1913 Webster] Neither of them she found where she them lore. --Spenser. [1913 Webster]. | 19:58 |
| Corsac | hmhm I think I read someone here talking about using the n900 as a bluetooth gps device, is it possible? | 19:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer smiles about esprit in startrek naming | 19:58 | |
| alterego | Corsac: my app does it ;) | 19:58 |
| alterego | But it's not released yet, I finished that feature last night :) | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: we will soon discover that your app also created the world as we know it :P | 19:59 |
| Corsac | alterego: oh. | 19:59 |
| Corsac | alterego: far from a release? :) | 19:59 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Corsac: he hasn't decided yet whether to make it OSS or release for cash | 20:00 |
| Corsac | oh. | 20:00 |
| alterego | Corsac: planning for a week of testing. Then release. | 20:00 |
| alterego | But no it's not FOSS | 20:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I suggested to him to release in Ovi for some cash | 20:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 20:01 |
| alterego | Not Ovi, I'm gonna host it all myself. | 20:01 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm | 20:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | and how much it's gonna cost? | 20:02 |
| alterego | Probably about 3 euro | 20:02 |
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| alterego | Normal rip off mobile prices :) | 20:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | :P | 20:04 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: 3 euro for something like that? | 20:14 |
| jacekowski | esspecialy considering that all it has to do is accept rfcomm bluetooth connection and push gps data in nmea format | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | jacekowski: his app does more than that | 20:16 |
| alterego | IT has master and slave mode actually :) | 20:17 |
| alterego | But yes, it's not just a bluetooth nmea provider. | 20:17 |
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| Venemo_N900 | guys | 20:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm still looking for an idea for my homework application | 20:22 |
| alterego | An application that does your homework? | 20:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | no | 20:22 |
| javispedro | I already have an app that accepts BT and pushes NMEA | 20:22 |
| javispedro | In fact I have an app that accepts BT and pushes Garmin protocol =) | 20:22 |
| alterego | javispedro: have you got it to work yet? :P | 20:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | an application that I write as my homework for the mobile linux applications course | 20:22 |
| javispedro | alterego: I made it :) | 20:22 |
| javispedro | so, ofc. | 20:23 |
| alterego | You were having problems with NMEA last I heard. | 20:23 |
| alterego | Unless it was someone else. | 20:23 |
| javispedro | I was having some accuracy problems with the Garmin version -- track behaved crazily | 20:23 |
| alterego | Why haven't you released it then? Lots of people want it .. | 20:23 |
| javispedro | s/track/course | 20:23 |
| javispedro | but nRoute pinpointed my position on the map flawlessly | 20:24 |
| javispedro | because it's mostly trivial? | 20:24 |
| javispedro | i'm sure luke-jr has also done it | 20:24 |
| * sjk pokes alterego | 20:25 | |
| alterego | Trivial for people that can program, so you don't think it's worthy of extras? | 20:25 |
| javispedro | http://gitorious.org/nmeagend/nmeagend nmea version, http://gitorious.org/garminchatd/garminchatd garmin pvt version | 20:25 |
| alterego | Nice packaging ... | 20:26 |
| pupnik | http://www.osnews.com/story/24074/US_Government_Censors_70_Websites The US has started seizing the domain names of various websites through ICANN - not because owners of these sites were convicted of anything, but merely because complaints have been filed against them. | 20:26 |
| alterego | :/ | 20:26 |
| alterego | That's like mass censorship .. | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Joy | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | s/like// | 20:27 |
| javispedro | alterego: is such a thing really wanted? by normal persons? :) | 20:27 |
| javispedro | s/persons/people | 20:27 |
| alterego | One of those steps to becoming a dictatorship. | 20:27 |
| alterego | javispedro: yes, quite a few people have been asking for the functionality. | 20:27 |
| alterego | Like Corsac just did .. | 20:28 |
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| pupnik | I'm waiting for the USA brain-drain | 20:29 |
| pupnik | Engineers, scientists, doctors packing their bags and leaving :) | 20:29 |
| alterego | Meh, most of the clever people are in England anyway :P | 20:29 |
| pupnik | It's already on. 18 month waiting lines at the US Consolute in London | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't worry. | 20:30 |
| pupnik | ate | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | We've got the precise same law that's just gone onto the statute books here. | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | To allow government to randomly turn off websites. | 20:30 |
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| javispedro | the new bugzilla is splendid https://bugs.maemo.org/ | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | indeed :) | 21:07 |
| MohammadAG | if only the 3 icons were centered | 21:07 |
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| javispedro | WONTFIXes look fully TRUE COLOR now! | 21:07 |
| javispedro | </joking>Naah, good job! | 21:08 |
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| MohammadAG | it needs more modules for USB hostmode | 21:25 |
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| GAN900 | I've got a 2.2 template around somewhere. . . . | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe there should be some supplementary driver pkgs for powerkernel? | 21:35 |
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| MohammadAG | talk about open source! http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/27/symbian-foundation-axing-websites-on-december-17th-source-repos/ | 21:35 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: I think I can hear RST38h laugther from here | 21:37 |
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| javispedro | Sigh. | 21:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WTF is up with internets ? | 21:37 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's freenode | 21:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 21:38 |
| javispedro | LOL at the image Engadget selected | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 383 users, tzzzz | 21:39 |
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| javispedro | "Symbian Foundation: Things are developing nicely" | 21:39 |
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| javispedro | So, Symbian officially disappears from the world of the living and all we get are cold silence and warm netsplits? | 21:41 |
| javispedro | thank god! | 21:41 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shrugs on sybian at large | 21:42 | |
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| SpeedEvil | It does have a noise problem at high settings. | 21:43 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: sybian? | 21:43 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: I C WHUT U DID THAR | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems parts of Nokia are about to learn their lesson that FOSS doesn't mean you simply disclose the sources and reduce your own investment of manpower to 20% of the initial effort | 21:44 |
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| javispedro | then open a bugzilla and mark everything as WONTFIX! | 21:44 |
| * RST38h also thanks the Tentacled One,but warily | 21:44 | |
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| * MohammadAG waves goodbye to Symbian | 21:45 | |
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| RST38h | You do all understand that Nokia only offers Symbian based smartphones at the moment? | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: yep sybian - my fav typo on that topic | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWbLOFGSEDo&feature=player_embedded#at=139 | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | hardest kinect game ever | 21:46 |
| RST38h | And so far has not disclosed any specific plans to release non-Symbian devices? | 21:46 |
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| jacekowski | RST38h: they don't sell n900 anymore | 21:46 |
| jacekowski | ? | 21:46 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: no surprises there =) | 21:47 |
| RST38h | n900 is effectively end-of-lifed afaik | 21:47 |
| kerio | :( | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 has no more active development support from Nokia aiui | 21:47 |
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| CableTwitch | Heh, like it needs it from Nokia. | 21:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Interesting | 21:48 |
| kerio | it needs SPECS from nokia | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | N900 is still for sale from nokia.co.uk | 21:48 |
| javispedro | it needs WORK from Nokia | 21:48 |
| SpeedEvil | but with a 2 year warranty | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHA | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | waranty on what though? | 21:49 |
| CableTwitch | Everything but the USB port | 21:49 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, well, they still do make and sell n900s? | 21:49 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: they still sellsome n900s, not sure if they are making them | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | I saw 2104, and 2204 hardware revisions today | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess they'll make and sell as long as users buy | 21:49 |
| javispedro | price is going down rapidly | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | mine is a 2101 | 21:49 |
| javispedro | at least here | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | there were hardware refreshes apparently | 21:49 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, fcam-drivers fails on 2104 (not tested 2204 yet) | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | cna't be anything significant? (hw refreshes) | 21:50 |
| RST38h | where is the hardware revision? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | OOOH! | 21:51 |
| javispedro | well, drivers failing on one revision is significant I'd say | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:51 |
| * javispedro would have thought only mechanical fixes or the like | 21:51 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MEGA significant | 21:51 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders idly that latest revision hostmode 'just works. | 21:52 | |
| * javispedro laughs at the entire docstogo situation | 21:52 | |
| SpeedEvil | More logical would be to nuke the debug mode driver | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | LED driver | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | http://acmwallet.com/ | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | that's disturbing | 21:52 |
| jacekowski | normal website designed for iphones only | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, softupd --local & flasher -i && killall softupd | 21:52 |
| RST38h | javispedro: what about dtg? | 21:53 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: wut? | 21:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if they designed out some of the "vulnerabilities" of their hw, as in "fuckup hostmode for good now", "change bootloader scheme to something that's solidly locked ootb" etc | 21:53 | |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Sounds pretty scary | 21:53 |
| javispedro | RST38h: read tmo? basically, they've been promising a paid version that is up to the feature level of the free version since forever | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | also, keyboard LEDs failed on a 2104 when kernel-power was installed | 21:53 |
| javispedro | RST38h: a dataviz employee periodically telling everyone "to wait a little bit" with extreme precision | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | all lp2xxxx(whatever) LEDs failed | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | the battery had to be pulled out | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, -i is info | 21:54 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: so you can also check it from host? | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ??? debug mode driver, LED driver? | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | softupd is just to do it on device | 21:54 |
| RST38h | javispedro: they do not have the free version afaik only paid one | 21:54 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I meant - a logical low-risk rev would be to pull the debug mode LED driver | 21:54 |
| javispedro | RST38h, MohammadAG: flasher-3.5 on host also has "-i" mode | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I know :) | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | flasher = flasher-3.5 | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | but compiled for ARM | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | that's why you can flash an N900 from an N900 | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | and there is revision on sticker | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | under battery | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | or possibly an N8x0 from an N900 | 21:55 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: not exactly, I doubt the N900 one uses libusb ;) | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 21:55 |
| javispedro | ah | 21:55 |
| jacekowski | there isn;t | 21:55 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: well, don't mind then :) | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I think it does, I got it to show device info from a friend's N900 | 21:56 |
| RST38h | javispedro: as far as I can tell, the only dtg that exists right now is the onein ovi | 21:56 |
| RST38h | javispedro: $30, with some editing capabilities, no? | 21:56 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yes, they killed the better free one | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | though I had to click the enumerate button many times so I don't miss the hold "u" part | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: as you seem to have contacts that own 2104, could you get a md5sum for LP5523.ko? | 21:56 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it had no edit features, but was Hildon based, so overall it was: way faster, better integrated with Maemo, and more featurefull. | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | (or at least I remember it said something about the device) | 21:57 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ah, and the ovi one is qt or what? | 21:57 |
| javispedro | RST38h: the paid one they believed the Qt hype and decided to rewrite | 21:57 |
| javispedro | yep | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, same as mine | 21:57 |
| javispedro | net result is awful. | 21:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's the same kernel etc | 21:58 |
| * javispedro actually paid $11 for it, so I guess he should get the pitchforks. | 21:58 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, two classmates got an N900, third one coming soon :P | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | 2104, 2204, not sure about the 3rd | 21:58 |
| jacekowski | i have 2101 | 21:59 |
| RST38h | javispedro: is there a "solution" to make the original viewer only one work forever? =) | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, same | 21:59 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I don't think it had any check, so if you still have the packages.... | 21:59 |
| javispedro | in fact it was able to work alongside the Qt docstogo, but I think I erased it during the 1.2->1.3 reflash | 22:00 |
| RST38h | javispedro: it only worked for 30 days | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: ? | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: could you check the diffs of lp5523.ko drivers for e.g pr1.0 and current version? To see if the current version is a modified one which we are missing the sources | 22:00 |
| javispedro | RST38h: maybe, don't exactly remember | 22:00 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: there is a solution | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm, I'll check tomorrow (he's offline atm) | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks a lot :-) | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG | don't thank me, thank the openssh-server I have on his device :) | 22:01 |
| javispedro | pfft | 22:01 |
| javispedro | that's evil | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm serously concerned Nokia actually designed out some expensive and some 'vulnerable' chips | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, he knows :P | 22:02 |
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| * MohammadAG loves his 2101 :) | 22:03 | |
| ynave | hello | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably they noticed bq24150 makes bme basically obsolete, so they decided to get a chip that *needs* bme, and also might not support vboost anymore :-/ | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Doc: like hardware audio filter? :) | 22:03 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that would be too evil also. | 22:03 |
| javispedro | I prefer to assume incompetence. | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, h-e-n works on his device | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffff | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pffffoooo even | 22:04 |
| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor | 22:04 |
| ynave | I've some problem with Conversations applications, all sms are marke as not sended, but my contact receive it, sms list isn't updated, etc.. is there a way to clean sms history ? | 22:04 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, especially in Nokia's case. . . . | 22:04 |
| ynave | all other app running good | 22:04 |
| javispedro | GAN900: hehe | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you could try to get a full boot dmesg, and compare | 22:05 |
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| MohammadAG | sysklogd + reboot should do that | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | Off topic, should I upload mplayer with libdvd support to the repos? | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | not really | 22:05 |
| javispedro | assuming that the changes are minor, one guess there would be a place in the board.c file where the id gets fetched and something is decided upon that | 22:05 |
| jacekowski | ideally if you could get to serial port | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | same package name | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | don't go on, I don't have a cable | 22:06 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: contact maintainer and tell him to enable libdvd (or warn him about what you're going to do) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, folks. I think I should get a life... | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya | 22:07 |
| ynave | nobody know how to clear Conversation messages ? | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | ynave: flash it | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:07 |
| ynave | I can"t | 22:07 |
| ynave | don't have usb cable :( | 22:07 |
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| javispedro | cya DocScrutinizer | 22:07 |
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| MohammadAG | ynave, clear all messages? | 22:08 |
| ynave | yes | 22:08 |
| ynave | doing it by menu application don't work... | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuke some *.db? | 22:09 |
| ynave | I receive new messages but they are show in the list.. | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | rm -rf /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger (CLEARS ALL CONVERSATIONS!) | 22:09 |
| ynave | where are thos db ? | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | just to throw some noise to chan on leaving | 22:09 |
| ynave | MohammadAG: thanks :) | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | do it as user | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, heh, was just checking directories | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe mv instead rm? | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | ynave, hmm, that might clear phone logs too | 22:09 |
| ynave | not a problem | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ( a suggestion :-P) | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | also, killall -9 rtcom-messaging-ui | 22:10 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/kernel/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-camera.c#75 | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | yes, the -9 is needed :/ | 22:10 |
| javispedro | talks about a system_rev value | 22:10 |
| ynave | I tried do restart the phone | 22:10 |
| ynave | but nothing better | 22:11 |
| javispedro | camera voltages are setup differently depending on "system_rev" | 22:11 |
| ynave | remove battery during some seconds etc.. | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | ynave, rming them should remove them, for sure | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | just kill the messaging UI afterwards | 22:11 |
| javispedro | and system_rev comes from bootloader | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, interesting | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: move! not remove! | 22:12 |
| MohammadAG | should fcam devs be notified? | 22:12 |
| javispedro | dunno if fcam bypasses this | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can rm any time later, if you found it didn't nuke your phone | 22:12 |
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| ynave | MohammadAG: I've mv, reboot the phone... I'm trying .. | 22:13 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, fcam shows device or resource busy on /dev/video0 | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | Stock camera shows Operation Failed | 22:14 |
| javispedro | what? | 22:14 |
| javispedro | is this a bug? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | (with fcam-drivers installed) | 22:14 |
| javispedro | I mean, "stock" app from where? | 22:14 |
| javispedro | aaa | 22:14 |
| javispedro | well, EBUSY should be easy enough to debug even with plain printks ;) | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, freenode lag sucks | 22:15 |
| ynave | MohammadAG: seems to be good, many message listed but know when I send it's ok | 22:15 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 22:15 |
| ynave | MohammadAG: thanks :) | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | yw :) | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, how do I read system_rev? | 22:16 |
| javispedro | from user space? nfi | 22:16 |
| javispedro | should be in atags | 22:17 |
| * MohammadAG strings /dev/mtd0 | 22:17 | |
| javispedro | those should be readable from uboot also afaiu | 22:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/ident?i=system_rev MEH | 22:17 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yeah, nothing of interest save for the cam bit | 22:18 |
| javispedro | hmm | 22:18 |
| javispedro | wait a bit | 22:18 |
| javispedro | the cam bit is not there | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder how power kernel kbd LEDs can break on 2104 though | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I'm missing the "referenced in" | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | mxr barfs up again | 22:19 |
| javispedro | probably mxr not parsing macros | 22:19 |
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| javispedro | heh. | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | it breaks when it's installed | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | need to "grep" | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | if you remove the battery, it works again | 22:19 |
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| MohammadAG | I tried removing the lp something module and adding it again, only the vibra was registered in dmesg | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/search?string=system_rev&filter=[Ss]ystem_rev | 22:19 |
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| javispedro | interesting | 22:20 |
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| javispedro | "rx51_new_hw_audio" | 22:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeek | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 22:21 |
| javispedro | note that this might be all pre-release to manufacturing | 22:21 |
| javispedro | I mean, who knows. | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | where is that anyway? | 22:22 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/kernel/sound/soc/omap/rx51.c#902 | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | interesting crap btw: | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# strings /dev/mtd0 | grep fuck* | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | error secondary config block too; something is really fucked up | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# strings /dev/mtd0 | grep USB\ host | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | No USB host detected | 22:22 |
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| MohammadAG | USB host mode | 22:22 |
| javispedro | ? | 22:22 |
| javispedro | "No USB host detected" can be very well be just a log message from nolo :) | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | strings your /dev/mtd0, it has shit about host mode | 22:23 |
| javispedro | (aka no PC detected to get firmware from) | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | #251 HAHA | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | The actual system rev numbers are all under 2000 that are referred to | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, no, it has two USB related messages, one about hosts, and one about USB host mode | 22:24 |
| javispedro | a kmod to print system_rev would be trivial, if noone finds other way to get it | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | could be related to cal-tool's --usb-host or whatever command | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i reported that ages ago | 22:24 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: it was present in nolo long time ago | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I know (cal-tool) | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | I don't know if you mentioned NOLO | 22:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | ... | 22:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Revision: 2101 | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, meh, testing builds | 22:25 |
| jacekowski | i did | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, k :) | 22:25 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, is your serial all 0s? | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: new_hw_audio means the amp etc isn't using dedicated a regulator which needs to get enabled prior to audio-out | 22:26 |
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| javispedro | SpeedEvil is completely right, system_rev is printed by /proc/cpuinfo ( http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/kernel/arch/arm/kernel/setup.c#838 ) | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: hmm, but now as you reminded me about it | 22:27 |
| javispedro | so there you have, same value as what flasher -i gives I guess. | 22:27 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i just had an idea | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | everybody seems to have serial=000000000000 | 22:28 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i can modify nolo to make it not take that branch and go way where host is detected and see what happens | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: funny idea | 22:29 |
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| javispedro | maybe a relic from n8x0 | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | (seems there's a conspiration to tie me to that friggin computer, esp when I plan to get dinner) | 22:30 |
| javispedro | there is. | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | how many times i said that n900 nolo isn't anywhere close to n8x0 nolo? | 22:30 |
| SpeedEvil | 3? | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | more like 42 | 22:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer remarks there are at least 3 USB controllers in N900 | 22:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | at least one of them a dedicated hostmode-only | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | i have to make use of that jig at some point | 22:31 |
| jacekowski | but it looks like i'll have to just get rid of everything inside | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | honetly, investigating how TF powerkernel can break at controlling LP5523 (kbd LEDs) on newer hw revisions is a top priority thing | 22:34 |
| jacekowski | i don't have new hw revision | 22:34 |
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| javispedro | exactly. you'd first need to get such a revision. from the on start applying the realted powerkernel patches one by one | 22:34 |
| javispedro | *then on | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65958 | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | not a very useful post, but clearly, my friend's device isn't the only one | 22:36 |
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| jacekowski | well, try talking directly via i2c to it | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | and see what happens | 22:36 |
| * javispedro is hungry and unlike DocScrutinizer ( ;) ) he will leave for good | 22:36 | |
| javispedro | cya | 22:36 |
| jacekowski | and then if that's working we know it's kernel that's broken | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG | maybe it's matan's patches... | 22:37 |
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| jacekowski | btw. i fixed my car | 22:38 |
| jacekowski | and i finally have properly working heating | 22:39 |
| jacekowski | and engine have correct temperature | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | overclocked the device? I keed i keed | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, kernel-power has two lp related patches | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this sounds like fsckng old fcam borkage of indicator light once more. fcam occupies the LP5523 sysnodes for directly messing with ind-LED, and so mce gets "EAGAIN" or sth and segfaults | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there are NO sysnodes, even after a reboot | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | and fcam doesn't even work on his device :P | 22:40 |
| jacekowski | hmm, segfaulting after EAGAIN is wrong | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh, where's that documented? | 22:40 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: so driver is not registering at all? | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes, he only had twl4030 registered new vibra or something | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that thread you linked above, is a bit thin | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | Registered led device: twl4030:vibrator | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | that's the only register he had in dmesg | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | hm, LP5523 chip is directly powered from battery. If it locks up for whatever reason, you actually need to remove bat | 22:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anything starting from NOLO over uBoot to powerkernel could mess with LP5523 and make it freeze | 22:43 |
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| jacekowski | well, question is it frozen | 22:43 |
| jacekowski | or driver is broken | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | or again, it might be matan's lp5523 patches | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | even a different driver for another chip on same I2C bus could accidentally access LP5523 | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT??? | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lp5523 patches? W*T*F? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | there are two patches for lp5523 on kernel-power | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | linky | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=kernel-power;a=tree;f=kernel-power-2.6.28/debian/patches;hb=24c2bfeb5e3301e2c3f9f623e2341b547eef973c | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly wonder what matan has to patch on lp5523 driver (except maybe the idiotic limitations of the original one) | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | he creates another sysnode, dbrightness, which can be written to without worrying about mce | 22:46 |
| Macer | blah | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a BS | 22:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who reviewed and signed off this? | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | titan probably | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH, huge alert and nothing serious actually. | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | poor borked useless concept, obviously kicking LP5523 balls. For no good reason. I don't see why we need this, and I don't think *this* is a top priority issue. Titan should keep out that nonsense out of power kernel | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | Matan is a project admin, good luck | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | pff | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems we have to go back to own kernel for h-e-n | 22:52 |
| Macer | ls | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | maintenance and QA for powerkernel is sub-par even for experimental | 22:53 |
| Macer | oops | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I still completely fail to get the rationale behind dbrightness | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | From what I've heard before, I'd assume using dbrightness makes the driver ignore hte usual brightness settings | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | so the light-sensor based brightness change is inhibited | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can fuzz around with brightness as I like, and never bothered about mce other than to maybe stop it so it won't revert my settings there | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMFG what a borked concept | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, cya | 22:59 |
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| luke-jr__ | DocScrutinizer: It could be worse | 23:06 |
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| luke-jr__ | DocScrutinizer: they could have instead modified the light sensor driver to allow them to spoof values there to control it indirectly | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr__: yeah, probably. Depending on what exactly they planned to do (I'm still not getting it) | 23:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr__: or somebody could have had a look at the output of head -n 14 /etc/mce/mce.ini | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | libfilter-brightness-simple.so :-D | 23:21 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, did you miss me dude? | 23:23 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, hey | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you think I did? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30772 2010-05-11 14:56 libfilter-brightness-simple.so | 23:25 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer sure you did | 23:26 |
| * ZogG hugs DocScrutinizer | 23:26 | |
| ZogG | where have you lost your 51 | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: it's my alter ego | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | look, it'sover there | 23:27 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer51, i think DocScrutinizer is the fake one and is trying to get all your glorry | 23:28 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey | 23:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr__: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-11.log.html#t2008-01-11T21:28:22 | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-11.log.html#t2008-01-11T21:30:43 | 23:32 |
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| Venemo_N900 | guys, what the hell does this mean? http://maemo.org/community/council/state_of_maemo-q32010-2/ | 23:44 |
| ZogG | RST38h, =( | 23:45 |
| ZogG | noone likes me and misses me | 23:45 |
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