IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-11-28

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Venemo_N900good night00:03
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DocScrutinizer  HMMMPF ""Then you have compatibility [of maemo PR1.3] with apps coming for MeeGo."" (texrat)00:09
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DocScrutinizerZogG: see, nobody kicks you :-D00:10
DocScrutinizerthat's a start00:10
ZogGactually it's weird00:11
DocScrutinizertbh I'm missing ~150 users right ATM00:11
ZogGi was trolling here several times and joked not really appropriate, but never got kicked00:11
ZogGeven by crash.... something, where is he btw?00:12
DocScrutinizerbusy with weekend?00:12
DocScrutinizerwhich is what I'm in a minute00:12
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nox-its turkey day weekend in u.s. maybe thats why00:12
ZogGmeh, you have nothing better than pleasuring yourself00:13
ZogGmaster bait lets say it like that =)00:13
ZogGhe is german00:13
ZogGand i'm jew00:13
* ZogG is scared00:13
nox-dont be, only very few germans are still nazis...00:14
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ZogG he is one of them00:15
ZogGhe talked to MohammadAG to bomb me =)00:15
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ZogGi'm still not kicked or banned00:25
ZogGwhat i have to do to get kick here00:25
ZogGifeel likejesus here , with ultimate power and no punishment00:25
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* luke-jr__ thinks BME pulls the battery level out of thin air 90% of the time -.-01:10
kerios/thin air/its ass/01:11
* luke-jr__ doesn't use such vulgar language01:11
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Termanagood morning01:17
kerioluke-jr__: nothing is vulgar enough when talking about bme01:20
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DocScrutinizer51hehe. ACK01:42
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alteregogod I hope I don't get my gfs illness ..01:49
Tuco_mariaomg, what kind of talk is this?01:50
alteregono talk01:50
alteregoNo ones said anything in ages :P01:50
Tuco_mariaso, were u talking to urself?01:50
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alteregoYeah, pretty much :)01:51
SpeedEvilalterego: She's a zombie?01:52
SpeedEvilalterego: Or has she contracted lycanthropy.01:52
alteregoHeh, no think she might have the flu01:53
Tuco_mariaare you afraid of one tiny virus?01:53
alteregoI just don't want to be ill for a week :)01:54
alteregoGot stuff to do and such.01:54
Tuco_mariaeveribodt does man01:54
Tuco_mariabut we cant avoid certain things01:55
Tuco_mariaMan, you made me forgot the reason why i came here, i`m losing precious seconds now01:56
DocScrutinizerticktock... ticktock,,, tick... ... tock01:56
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Tuco_mariathats the death clock ticking01:57
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Tuco_mariahey, i just remembered01:59
SpeedEvilalterego: What better way could you show you care than by implementing a video->heartrate program, and graphing her illness.01:59
Tuco_mariathat looks way to complicated man02:01
Tuco_mariathose pink floyd guys were on heavy drugs when they composed this song02:03
alteregoLooks fun, but not something I can be arsed with right now. My priority is Columbus :D02:03
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Tuco_mariacolumbus died hundreds of years ago, you are kinda late to worry about him...02:05
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Tuco_mariathis is bad music02:13
nox-pink floyd bad?   oh dear... :)02:16
DocScrutinizerhe's saying that as he's about to lose SECONDS, oh so precious SECONDS02:16
DocScrutinizerfeeling the sun to come up behind him again ;-D02:17
Tuco_mariai prefer justin, thats all02:18
MohammadAGjustin what?02:20
Tuco_mariayou know, the one and only justin...02:22
Tuco_marianah, this one is overrated02:22
Tuco_mariadont even know tge guy02:22
Tuco_mariablah, even worse02:23
crashanddieJustin Meldal-Johnsen?02:23
crashanddieJustin Gray?02:23
crashanddieJust Albers?02:23
Tuco_mariayou are all wrong guys02:24
crashanddiewho are you talking about then?02:24
Tuco_mariahis second name begins with B02:24
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Tuco_mariaends with R02:24
crashanddieAh, so it is Barnes02:24
crashanddieor not02:24
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Tuco_mariaI cant believe that there are people that dont like him02:25
crashanddieanyway, I don't think this channel cares for your crappy musical tastes, Tuco_maria02:25
Tuco_mariabut i dont like pink floyd!02:26
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fckhallo! how to check temp by console?02:28
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MohammadAGtemp of what02:29
Tuco_mariahalo is good02:29
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fckwhere is only one senros?02:30
fckof temperature?02:30
fckhow i know02:30
MohammadAGcat `find /sys -name temp1*`02:30
MohammadAGand it's broken by design02:31
fckah :)02:31
fcki see -1c02:31
fckhmm, don't find any file :/02:33
MohammadAGcheck the `02:34
MohammadAGit's not a '02:34
MohammadAGit's a ` (from the FN + CTRL menu)02:34
* fck copy paste02:35
fck# cat `find /sys -name temp1*02:35
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nox-you missed the trailing `02:38
nox-so hit ^c and try again02:39
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fckcat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp is it correct?02:44
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fcki have powa kernel02:44
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fckalso loded battery02:44
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FIQ|n900hey DocScrutinizer02:44
fckirc server02:45
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fcknet split02:45
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FIQ|n900you told me to notify it it happened02:45
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FIQ|n900now it did02:45
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FIQ|n900i joined ##overflow due to your massjoin limit02:45
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fckafter modprobe everything good02:46
FIQ|n900Just fine, but you told me to say if it happened02:46
DocScrutinizer51lotsa netsplits today02:46
nox-.oO(stupid kids ):02:46
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myuuhh which plugins are considered "main plugins" for mbarcode02:50
DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: thanks for reporting02:52
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MohammadAGit's 3AM, and I need to start a song at full volume03:01
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fcksame here03:07
fck3am :/03:07
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corecodejacekowski: you know of anybody working on porting chromium 7 to maemo?03:24
jacekowskiwhy 7?03:25
corecodehow much effort was the 5 port?03:25
jacekowski9 is already released03:25
corecodenewer, better?03:25
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corecodefine, 9 then :)03:25
jacekowskiPreview release9.0.595.0  (November 25, 2010; 1 day ago) [+/−]03:25
corecodeclearly my ubuntu is behind03:25
jacekowskiis anybody using it03:26
jacekowskii mean chromium on maemo?03:26
corecodei dunno03:26
corecodehow did it work?03:26
corecodemicrob crashes sometimes03:26
corecodeand feels slow03:26
jacekowskichromium pretty much same03:27
corecodeoh, sad03:27
corecodeif modest wasn't such a maze source code...03:27
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jacekowskiwhat are you trying to do with it?03:31
pupnikanybody like this effect?   made it a few weeks ago03:33
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corecodejacekowski: i'd like to get sent mail stored on my imap03:34
jacekowskii'm using zimbra myself03:35
jacekowskiand doing it over activesync03:35
jacekowskibut ability to exclude some folder would be nice03:35
jacekowskihmm, why some youtube videos have html5 player as chosen03:36
jacekowskiand some still use flash player03:36
corecodemy issue is that if i send a mail, the sent mail stays on my n90003:37
jacekowskilike Spam03:37
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corecodebut doesn't get stored on imap03:37
jacekowskiyeah, that's correct03:37
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corecodei tried tracking down in the code where i could hook that up03:39
corecodebut that is a callback maze03:39
corecodeC is clearly the wrong language for that03:39
MohammadAGerror: pathspec 'master' did not match any file(s) known to git. <- wtf does this mean03:39
jacekowskiC is the best language for that03:40
jacekowskiit's programmer that is a problem03:40
jacekowskinot language03:40
corecodewell i don't agree on the language03:41
ds3MohammadAG: what repo?03:41
corecodebut i agree that a good programmer can make it look better than a bad programmer03:41
corecodeMohammadAG: you used the refspec master where it expected a pathspec03:41
MohammadAGfixed it03:41
pupnikPretty awesome.  get a N900 with maemo, and you can run android and WebOS stuff too if you want03:43
pupnikjust gotta get that translation layer03:43
corecodethere is an android translation layer?03:44
pupnikwell.  yes, in the future :)03:44
corecodehow far?03:44
pupnikdunno let's search03:45
corecode2009 eh03:46
pupniksome cool people work there03:48
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corecodein the past?03:49
pupnikwell they have to make money to eat too03:50
pupnikdunno much about that project03:50
corecodethey make money in the past?03:50
DocScrutinizerpupnik: \o/03:52
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pupnik"Growing concerns about Android's lack of transparency and non-inclusive governance model, diverging kernel, insular userspace stack, and general lack of conduciveness to running existing Linux software are creating an incentive for hardware companies to evaluate other options"03:53
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DocScrutinizerandoid apps on my ubuntu desktop - a dream comes true (nightmares are dreams too, eren't they?)03:53
pupniknothing stopping anyone from making first-class meego/qt apps of course.  i just like computers to be _universal_ gonkulators03:54
DocScrutinizergonkulator? is this curable with peniciline?03:56
ds3how dead is the android emulator for meego?03:56
corecodeis there one?03:56
ds3heard it is still born03:57
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DocScrutinizerok, I was pretty impressed when I managed to move that feckin route66 app that came with samsung Omnia winmoob over to M800 winmoob, though aiui they had not exactly same CPU03:58
DocScrutinizeralas it was dongled to the IMEI :-P03:59
ds3apps should not have access to things like IMEI, the DN, or any other personal info04:00
DocScrutinizerapps should not be written in dullfuck04:01
DocScrutinizererr dalvik04:01
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DocScrutinizerother than that, how'd you design a dialer app when it's not able to react properly to *#06#04:03
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jacekowskiyou don't04:03
DocScrutinizerds3: sounds like a rather silly premise04:03
jacekowskicorecode: it looks like new chrome can be easily made to work04:04
corecodeyou think there will be any benefit?04:05
pupnikthere has to be a better crossplatform way to do games04:05
pupnikmaybe webgl04:05
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: well you don't need a fancy widget toolkit ... the old principle of "just give em a framebuffer" still kind of works04:06
DocScrutinizerwas just wondering if that's related to IMEI, dullvik, or both04:07
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pupniki don't even want to look at that stuff actually04:08
DocScrutinizerquite obviously you usually won't code games with Qt widgets, or X layered windows. So probably a canvas is just fine, plus a basic generic HID lib04:09
jacekowskiopengl is quite portable04:10
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DocScrutinizerhmm, I consider opengl your palette and brushes for the canvas04:11
auenfx4yay, finally got around to installing PR1.304:11
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DocScrutinizererrr, 5h ago I knew exactly why I'm happy I didn't yet04:11
DocScrutinizernow I can't recall04:12
auenfx4your memory is horrible?04:12
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DocScrutinizeroccasional stack overflows may happen04:13
DocScrutinizerthough this is probably due to garbage collection04:13
auenfx4ahh, thats the icon thats missing from the status area04:15
BCMMwhy oh why is it not possible to ring the stylus?04:15
auenfx4wtf would PR1.3 change my bluetooth to be off?04:15
BCMMbecause it's off by default?04:16
auenfx4it was on before the update was installed04:16
jacekowskithen switch it on04:16
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BCMMand now it has reverted to defaults. turn it back on.04:16
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auenfx4wonder what the reason for turning it off as part of the update04:18
auenfx4iirc, PR1.2 update didnt04:18
jacekowskiit's just for lulz04:19
ds3DocScrutinizer: it is a matter of trust and app author have continously violated that trust04:19
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jacekowskii hope i've put enough antifreeze in my car04:20
DocScrutinizerok, back to hydraulics then04:20
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DocScrutinizerI lost my trust into dentists. They all should get snatched away all their drill things, and use just wax and magic spells04:22
DocScrutinizerprobably best they are forbidden to approach my teeth closer than 100 yards04:24
BCMMnothing wrong with drills. it's the pliers you gotta watch out for.04:25
DocScrutinizeryeah, I knew you'd say that - the man that wants to ring stylii :-P04:25
DocScrutinizersounds like genital piercing04:26
BCMMwhat does?04:26
DocScrutinizer<BCMM> why oh why is it not possible to ring the stylus?04:27
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BCMMit turned up04:27
DocScrutinizerthe ring?04:27
BCMMthe n900 stylus04:27
BCMMusually, lost tech can be made to beep04:28
DocScrutinizerin fact the stylus has enough room to inplant a passive transponder04:29
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DocScrutinizerusually build from 2 pieces of wire and a tunnel diaode04:29
DocScrutinizerthey atached those things to butterflies and followed them in almost 100m distance04:30
BCMMbasically, something a bit like rfid?04:30
MacerG2 is a pretty nice phone04:30
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DocScrutinizeryep, very basic rfid04:31
BCMMnow, how would you then use the n900 to detect it?04:31
DocScrutinizerhmm, difficult04:31
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BCMMcan it measure bluetooth or wifi signal strength even if the signal is meaningless?04:31
DocScrutinizermeh, better pierce it and pull a ring thru the hole :-P04:32
blackthornetrying to make the 2G/3G switch applet to work04:32
DocScrutinizerBCMM: nope04:32
blackthorneafter installing other applets it stopped working04:32
DocScrutinizerblackthorne: where's the problem?04:32
blackthornetried to reinstall but it doesnt work anymore04:33
blackthorneits really important to me that applet04:33
BCMMDocScrutinizer: can it recieve and broadcast fm at the same time?04:33
DocScrutinizerBCMM: yes04:33
DocScrutinizerthat'd actually be a possibility, if only the TX was 1E9 strnger04:34
BCMMDocScrutinizer: well, apart from the way it would drown the transponder out, you could do something like that04:34
BCMMi'm a physics student; 10^9 is a smallish factor to be out by04:35
DocScrutinizerwe'd be in a sane watt range then04:36
DocScrutinizernot nW04:36
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johnxhallo all04:37
DocScrutinizerhallo one04:37
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* DocScrutinizer stares at the sylus, at the device, notices microphone being very close to the stylus' mini empty volume in 'head', and ponders...04:40
* DocScrutinizer wonders if a sweep freq response plot from builtin speaker to builtin mic would differ significantly with vs without stylus inserted04:41
johnxuse it as a sensor and detect when the user has the stylus out?04:44
DocScrutinizerif you could build a hollow stylus, with that apperture in head, it would kinda act lke an organ pipe and cause a noticable resonance at a certain frequency04:45
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DocScrutinizerjohnx: that's been the work thesis04:45
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johnxmainly useful for announching: "User: you have just lost your stylus somewhere!"04:46
DocScrutinizeralas I think it could get unbearably annoying to have these audio sweeps every few seconds :-P04:46
BCMMyou could one-up the stupidness of fm transmission04:47
BCMM"your app doesn't work with headphones plugged in? well, mine requires that you remove the stylus!"04:47
johnxthe fm transmitter is one of my favorite features :)04:47
johnxaaah, I see what you mean04:48
johnxinteresting, even when overridden the FM transmitter really doesn't work all that well while charging04:48
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DocScrutinizerthen - otoh - the stylus is creating a quite unique sound and acceleration pattern on both pull-out and insert04:48
BCMMactually, the one good use would be activating the cursor in microb when the stylus is out04:49
DocScrutinizerumm, what's wrong with an 'alarm' when stylus isn't in place when screen blanks?04:51
DocScrutinizeror walking /stow-away is detected04:51
DocScrutinizeror whatever04:51
DocScrutinizerthis request has been rised several times now04:52
DocScrutinizer"don't forget your stylus" remnder app04:52
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mikki-kuncan somebody tell me the dbus command which get a certain window to the foreground in maemo? (if there is one)04:53
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DocScrutinizerI've been even asked to look for good places to retrofit a switch detecting the stylus, when I did the "N900 explosion"04:53
BCMMmikki-kun: there is one for modified hildon desktop, not sure about stock04:54
DocScrutinizercall it slaughter04:54
johnxmikki-kun, I think you can tell a specific application to raise maybe. why not do this: run the app you want, put it in the background, start dbus-monitor, then open the app menu and tap the app you want to raise to the forground. at some point in there you'll probably see the dbus message needed04:54
mikki-kunjohnx: how do i monitor dbus events? and besides, i am way too lazy to stand up now, go two meters to my bed and then pick it up04:55
DocScrutinizermdbus2 -l04:55
mikki-kuni am currently speaking via skype with a buddy and that window isn't raised and it rings every single second i get a message or send a message04:55
johnxmikki-kun, dbus-monitor. and I'm too lazy to do your googling for you04:56
DocScrutinizeror mdbus04:56
DocScrutinizermdbus2 actually04:56
mikki-kunhm, is there already a dbus monitor installed?04:56
johnxDocScrutinizer, does mdbus2 do a better job than dbus-monitor?04:56
DocScrutinizerdepends on your preferences04:56
johnxmikki-kun, probably not04:57
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DocScrutinizerdbus-monitor is installed by default afaik04:57
DocScrutinizermdbus2 is not04:57
mikki-kunif i input md and then double-tap as root the only thing i might thing of a dbus-related software is mdu04:57
mikki-kunBCMM: thanks :)04:57
BCMMmikki-kun: if it's a feature of that, it probably isn't available in the stock version04:57
BCMMsearch page for activate_window04:58
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mikki-kuni see it in the bottom and thanks for it, i didn't knew so far of ctrl+shift+n and +h05:00
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BCMMmikki-kun: +h has never worked here, eith stock or modified hildon-desktop05:02
mikki-kunohhhh, lol?05:03
DocScrutinizerwhat's it supposed to do? does it need a gconf activation?05:03
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BCMMit's supposed to take you to the home screen05:05
BCMMwhich is a useful thing05:05
mikki-kunbut it doesn't do as it seems05:05
mikki-kun"gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time -t int 0" <--- what is wrong with this command?05:06
mikki-kunis does basically nothing when executed as user05:07
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mikki-kunsudo is being silent as a dead person as well05:08
johnxmikki-kun, what do you think it's supposed to do?05:08
DocScrutinizerwhat should it say anyway?05:08
johnxit shouldn't print anything unless there's an error if it's a "good" Unix command05:09
DocScrutinizerBCMM: mikki-kun: you're really informed about how to configure mhd ?05:09
BCMMmikki-kun: is that the command it says needs to be run with the task manager open?05:10
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BCMMDocScrutinizer: i didn't claim to be well-informed; i don't quite understand05:11
myuhey how do I completly uninstall imhere05:11
myuI need to change the email address and I have no idea how to change that05:11
DocScrutinizer If the value of this key is true, ctrl-shift-x opens an xterm, ctrl-shift-p saves an image of the screen, ctrl-shift-n toggles composite mode and ctrl-shift-h jumps to home screen.05:11
mikki-kunjohnx: well, there are actually some commands in unix which are not following this rule05:12
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mikki-kunand i know commands are not supposed to print out anything unless told to05:12
johnxmikki-kun, right, so you set a key in gconf. looks like you might have been trying to turn off a keybinding or something?05:13
DocScrutinizerA few gconf keys affect the operation of hildon-desktop (change value of keys with the terminal command gconftool-2 -s <key> -t <key type> <new value>, where <key type> is int for integer values and bool for true/false values):05:13
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: if that command was wrong, may you tell me in which sense it is wrong? i am not quiet getting the idea behind dbus so far05:13
mikki-kunjohnx: i was trying to switch to a window via command prompt05:14
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: what has gconftool to do with dbus?05:14
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: you're setting the key /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time to integer value 005:14
johnxgconf holds configuration stuff. Based just on the name of the "thing" you set in gconf, it looks like you might have disabled some kybinding or something05:14
johnxto raise a window, the command will probably be dbus-send05:15
mikki-kun"A d-bus signal activate_window with an int parameter n, for activating the nth window (in the order displayed in the task navigator) - only call this when task navigator is displayed or activating a full screen window. " <--- i thought this might send the appropriate dbus-signal05:15
johnxbut the command to raise a window will be different depending on what app it is, and I'm not doing your googling for you05:15
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: read the page about mhd I gave the link above05:16
myuno one here usese imhere?05:17
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: *reading*05:18
DocScrutinizerobviously a `gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/preset_shift_ctrl -t bool true` should activate ctrl-shift-h in mhd05:18
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: the link seems to take too long to response...05:19
mikki-kuncan't connect there05:19
mikki-kun <--- doesn't load05:19
DocScrutinizerload in 0.3s here05:20
mikki-kunping dies in an instant on it05:20
DocScrutinizerwho cares about ping?05:21
mikki-kuni just use it to check whether something is online or not?!05:21
mikki-kunand it is quite efficient and doesn't need me to start my browser and thinking of "is it just rendering issues or what is wrong?"05:22
DocScrutinizerhey fine, so if ping "dies in an instant" that means it responds to ICMP ping with  NAK or sth :-P05:22
johnxa huuuge number of websites don't answer ICMP echo requests (aka ping)05:22
johnxbetter to telnet to 8005:22
mikki-kunstill with xulrunner it does not load05:23
DocScrutinizerhell, wtf is xulrunner? can't you use a BROWSER?05:23
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: firefox _uses_ xulrunner05:23
johnxtimes out for me too, FWIW05:24
mikki-kunand i guess conkeror wouldn't ring a bell for you, am i right?05:24
mikki-kunheavily tweaked version firefox to be used emacs-like05:25
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DocScrutinizer>>It's not just you! looks down from here.<<05:25
mikki-kunso the link you posted seems really down05:26
johnxwhich is funny. that site just told me it was just me :)05:26
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: maybe clear your browsing cache and then try again05:27
mikki-kuncan't connect, will show you what i get in a moment05:29
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: I can't help you, no matter what you get05:30
mikki-kunjust to prove i cannot access the link you posted05:30
DocScrutinizerI suggest a traceroute to
mikki-kunuhhhh, that seems like the same page BCMM showed me05:32
BCMMno, that's the first link on the page i showed you :)05:32
BCMMalso, it's down from here05:33
DocScrutinizer[2010-11-27 20:37:51] <DocScrutinizer> WTF is up with internets ?05:34
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mikki-kunBCMM: take a look at the commands which seem to be exactly the same ones as on the page you posted05:34
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: tell us, you are the one who can reach where nobody else can05:35
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DocScrutinizer~debian mikki-kun05:36
* infobot tells mikki-kun to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!05:36
mikki-kundo they look the same?05:36
DocScrutinizerwell, I'm not really interested to do a diff between matan's original doc page and the wiki05:36
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: look at google cache as given by link above05:37
mikki-kuni so damn did, and where does it state the dbus-send stuff?!05:37
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DocScrutinizerunder "Non-configurable changes:"05:39
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mikki-kunso yeah, i am now there, would you please kindly explain what i did wrong with gconftool?05:41
mikki-kuni still can't get past that as i assume it can be done with gconftool05:41
DocScrutinizergconftool is to set configurations, and you did nothing wrong, except you seem to have used a command that isn't supposed to do what you intended to do05:43
DocScrutinizer[2010-11-28 04:14:45] <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: you're setting the key /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time to integer value 005:44
DocScrutinizer[2010-11-28 04:14:12] <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: what has gconftool to do with dbus?05:44
DocScrutinizerI guess you meant dbus-send foo bar boo05:44
DocScrutinizeror maybe not05:44
DocScrutinizerno idea what you planned to do05:45
mikki-kuni just want to switch windows via xterm05:45
mikki-kunafter ssh'ing into n900 from my main pc05:45
mikki-kunman, i seem to miss a couple of words in my sentences today05:45
DocScrutinizerthat's dbus-send then05:45
DocScrutinizerlook at to get an idea05:46
DocScrutinizeralas matan's page has no proper instructions on the details of dbus msg/signal you need to send05:47
DocScrutinizerneither an example05:47
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DocScrutinizerhmm, wiki page neither (seems it's a copy of matan's site)05:48
mikki-kunhm, with dbus-send, how would i implement using "int -1"?05:50
mikki-kuni can't seem to understand it05:50
DocScrutinizer looks almost as what you need. just modify name of signal and parameters05:51
DocScrutinizerI'd guess05:51
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mikki-kunit brings me back to the task switcher, but looking at matans usage i need to also call and 'int' of value 'n'05:51
mikki-kun"A d-bus signal activate_window_time with an int parameter n, for activating the nth window (in order of last activation time). 0 is oldest. Use negative numbers for reverse order: -1 is newest. Same warning as in previous signal."05:52
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mikki-kuni tried now combinations of "int:-1" "-1" "integer:-1"05:52
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mikki-kunbut it tells me unknown type: "int"05:53
DocScrutinizeror maybe int32:05:53
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DocScrutinizerdid it work?06:05
DocScrutinizeralso, was that what you actually needed? Seems a bit unspecified to me, regarding "least recently used / oldest window" etc06:07
DocScrutinizeraiui if you want to get a particular app to front, it usually should work to try and start that app via, as this should switch a screen of an already running app to foeground06:09
DocScrutinizer- mere speculation, not tested here06:09
DocScrutinizermikki-kun: ^^^06:09
Macerdamn G2 is nice :) i love the qwerty06:10
Macerglad htc kept it06:10
mikki-kuni tried some dbus commands to get familiar with them, but with the switching it does't seem to work ;/06:10
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mikki-kuni gotta look up the name of the apps i guess06:11
mikki-kunkind of not really easy then this use of the commands i gotta remind me of the command06:11
Maceris there some sort of patch to get the oskb in maemo to auto close and hit enter when you press ener?06:11
Macerenter on it06:11
Macerusing it for IM and txting sucks06:12
Maceryou have to type then close it by pressing above it.. then hit send06:12
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DocScrutinizerhmm that's kinda expected as the vkbd is supposed to pop up whenever ther focus/cursor is set to a text input field. So if it would close, there's not a natural way to open it up again. This doesn't explain though why the IM app doesn't take <enter> for sending the typed text06:18
DocScrutinizerwell, in xterm vkbd works like you want it to06:20
DocScrutinizerI realized even on desktop irc client I can c&p returns from clipboard. So seems these text input boxes handle real <enter> key press different to pasting a 0x0A06:22
DocScrutinizere.g for xchat that's pretty obvious as yu can change key mappings in presets06:23
DocScrutinizerso probably reading raw keycodes from keyboard is a bit different to entering text via a vkbd06:24
DocScrutinizervkbd obviously works kinda like a clipboard buffer06:24
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DocScrutinizerand pasting a CR or NL char to a text input box is different for that text input box to actually hitting the <enter> hw-key06:26
DocScrutinizerlet's just call it a bug06:27
DocScrutinizerand argue about which component to file it against06:27
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Macerit is a pretty irritating thing06:54
Macermakes using the vkb useless06:54
Maceras it is faster to just flip open the hw kb06:54
Macerinsead of taking the extra steps06:54
Macerenter for im should close and send06:55
Maceras well as txts06:55
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Macerbut filing a bug is probably useless nowadays :)06:55
Macerplus... judging by how bug requests were handled before.. even if maemo were still oficially supported... filing a bug would be useless06:56
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TermanaMacer, the virtual keyboard is useless when you have the hardware keyboard anyway IMO07:41
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lolloowhen I make calls with skype, it's not clear... is there something wrong with pulseaudio on my phone?08:18
lolloohow can I fix it pulseaudio? is there a way to make skype calls clearer?08:19
lolloomaybe there a program runing on the background interfering with pulseaudio or skype?08:20
lolloothe other end of the call hears me good, but I dont!08:20
lolloodoes OC makes pulseaudio sluggishwhen calling with skype?08:21
lolloobecause it is!08:21
lollooany help appreciated.08:21
lolloothere is like a hiccups when calling with skype.08:22
myuuh where are themes stored?08:27
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pupniklolloo: skype calls worked clearly for me on n900 / pr 1.208:27
pupnik/usr/share/themes? myu ?08:28
lolloomine is pr1.308:30
myuah thanks08:32
myuI needed the bg for one08:32
myubut it wasnt showing in the editor08:32
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lollooI don't like skype performance08:39
lolloomaybe because of custom audio I installed for N90008:40
lolloowell, I will back after 1 hour08:40
lolloosee you then!08:40
johnxor because of the network? or because of the person you were talking to? or because of something running in the background?08:40
pupniki think i have become psychologically dependent on my electric heater08:45
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johnx(We've replaced pupnik's electric heater with a little orange light inside a plastic case. Let's see if he notices...)08:46
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Maceroh wtf08:52
Macermy cam won't start08:52
Macersays operation failed08:53
Macerwhat kind of silly shit is that?08:53
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Macerblessn900 doesnt start either08:53
johnxI had my cam get into a weird state once. I rebooted, it was fixed and it never happened again08:54
wmaronesure nothing's holding the camera or LED?08:54
Macerhm. i will try that in a min08:54
Macercam led is fine. i am going to try to reboot08:55
johnxlsof | grep '/dev/video'08:55
Macerit tries to start then closes with operation failed08:55
Macerjohnx: it is just sitting there08:56
johnxgive it time08:56
* johnx shrugs08:56
Macermaybe because i installed the advanced kernel?08:56
johnxreboot :)08:57
johnxwell, a reboot is probably the cheapest thing to try (in terms of time)08:57
MacerNokia-N900:~# lsof | grep '/dev/video'08:57
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Macerrebooting didn't help :(09:14
Maceri think it is the adv kernel09:14
johnxbut aren't you glad to know that you couldn't have just fixed it by rebooting? :)09:16
Maceri suppose09:16
Maceri kind of wish it did haha09:16
Macernow i have to find out what is wrong09:16
Maceri don't have a dev/video09:16
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johnxwell, maybe I was wrong about what it was supposed to be called :>09:16
johnxwhat about video0 and video1?09:17
TermanaDesireI got a candle that sings happy birthday to me :p09:17
Macerno dev/video anything09:17
johnxthat is /dev/video0 (just to be sure)09:17
Maceri am trying kernel-power-deinstall09:17
Macerhopefully that will do the trick09:18
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Macerplease  wait while restoring nokia kernel09:19
Macerwtf :)09:19
Maceri feel a reflash coming on09:19
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Macerdeinstalling the "advanced" kernel did the trick09:24
Macerguess the power kernel isnt that powerful lol09:24
johnxwith great power comes ... problems taking photos?09:24
Macer:) videos too09:24
Maceryou never know when you need to record police brutalizing someone half to death09:25
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jdi had to update to power46 to fix the camera problems09:26
jdon 42 to 45 it wa broken09:26
jdit works on either 40 or 4609:27
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fureddoAnyone knows how to set the screenshot of an application that is available in extras-repo?09:34
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MrPPSDocScrutinizer: i noticed yesterday you gave someone a few links about loading a rescue system temporarily on the n900 - would you mind reposting them for me?09:52
MrPPSthanks DocScrutinizer09:54
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Venemo_N900hi guys11:10
Venemo_N900MohammadAG: ping11:10
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: ping11:12
Venemo_N900hi Doc :)11:13
DocScrutinizerone hand 4 fingers between paper11:13
Venemo_N900there is something I wanted to ask11:13
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Venemo_N900why is it that we have to recompile drivers for every version of the Linux kernel?11:14
DocScrutinizergood question11:14
Venemo_N900as far as I know, this is why we can't just upgrade the kernel in Maemo to the latest, is that correct?11:15
RST38hVenemo: You should direct your question to Linus Torvalds himself11:15
DocScrutinizerLP5523 isn't complete11:15
DocScrutinizerI can't write arbitrary registers from a LED pattern progarm11:16
RST38hAnd the right way to ask it would be "Why, after all this time, we still do not have binary driver interface in Linux kernel?"11:16
RST38hBTW, I can save you and Linus time and answer that question11:16
Venemo_N900RST38h: okay, go on :)11:16
DocScrutinizerso with the crippled lp5523 driver, I have to opportunities: Use I2Cset to correctly set up some of the registers, or hack the driver - or forget the project11:17
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer, what is LP5523?11:17
DocScrutinizerthe LED controller chip11:17
Venemo_N900and what's wrong with it?11:17
DocScrutinizerdoing the patterns11:17
DocScrutinizerI planned to create a 'pattern' that signals the battery voltage, without any CPU support11:18
RST38hVenemo: "Because we are OSS-crazed zealots who want to force every hw company into releasing the source code for their drivers"11:18
DocScrutinizerfor that I have to switch LP5523's ADC from LED-test to VBAT mode11:19
Venemo_N900afaik there is a lib for using the LED, isn't there?11:19
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Venemo_N900RST38h: yeah, I guessed so11:19
DocScrutinizer(that's been the 4 fingers in the datasheet :-P)11:19
DocScrutinizerVenemo_N900: forget it11:19
DocScrutinizerthere's no lib, and I don't want to use a lib11:20
DocScrutinizerI don't even want to use a CPU :-D11:20
Venemo_N900oh, great :)11:21
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DocScrutinizerthe three engines of LP5523 have decrement&branch-if-not-zero, jump-if-not-zero, add, sub, and load commands11:21
DocScrutinizeralas only on 3 "variables" and not on all the 60some registers of the chip11:22
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: is this the fault of just another poorly written driver?11:23
DocScrutinizerso the only way to set e.g. the register that selects analog souce of ADC, is via I2C bus11:23
DocScrutinizerno, this is hardware11:23
DocScrutinizerthe poorly written driver has no option for me to set this register via I2C11:24
DocScrutinizerthough it's the lp5523 driver that is in full control of the I2C bus interface of the chip11:25
DocScrutinizerbut it has no raw write to arbitrary register addr in /sys11:25
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DocScrutinizerand as the driver occupies the I2C bus, I can't use I2Cset to do it directly11:26
DocScrutinizerand I can't unload the driver without stopping mce :-S11:27
Venemo_N900how do all the other apps use the LED then?11:28
DocScrutinizerwell this lp5523 driver is really one stinking pile of sh*t11:28
DocScrutinizervia mce?11:28
DocScrutinizerwho's using LEDs?11:28
DocScrutinizeryou got some brightness sysnodes that work relatively flawless11:29
DocScrutinizersupported by driver11:29
Venemo_N900the notification thingies use the LEDs for one11:29
Venemo_N900and using it through mce is what you wanna avoid, right?11:30
DocScrutinizerI can't set the register via mce11:30
DocScrutinizerI can't even set it via lp5523 driver11:30
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DocScrutinizerI *could* set it via I2Cbus driver, using I2Cset cmdline tool. Alas this doesn't work as LP5523 driver has 'opened' the I2Cbus, so I2Cset says "resource busy"11:32
Venemo_N900can't you temporarily unload the driver?11:32
Venemo_N900with modprobe or something?11:32
DocScrutinizeronly when I stop mce11:33
DocScrutinizerotherwise mce goes bonkers11:33
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Venemo_N900'modprobe -r leds-lp5523'11:34
DocScrutinizerand odds are when I _modprobe_ load the lp5523 driver later, it resets the chip - MUHAHAHA11:34
Venemo_N900nothing bad has happened11:34
DocScrutinizerwait a bit11:34
DocScrutinizermce can segfault11:34
Venemo_N900it didn't11:35
DocScrutinizerwe seen that with fcam11:35
Venemo_N900or I didn't notice11:35
Venemo_N900I could also reload it now11:35
DocScrutinizeranyway it doesn't handle LEDs anymore11:35
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DocScrutinizeryeah, and that would reset my register :-P11:35
Venemo_N900are you sure?11:36
* DocScrutinizer pissed11:36
Venemo_N900well then, is the driver OSS?11:36
DocScrutinizerlp5523 driver will send a reset to the chip, if it's not *complete* crap11:36
DocScrutinizermight add a /raw sysnode11:37
DocScrutinizerto read and write arbitrary registers of LP5523 chip11:37
DocScrutinizerbut I was about to code a little fancy, for the chip. Not to patch a borked fubar driver11:38
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DocScrutinizeronce more Nokia implemented the bare minimum of what they needed to make exactly their limited tiny usecase work11:39
DocScrutinizerabysmal system architecture11:40
Firzenis there anybody who can advice me with Maemo SDK installation?11:40
DocScrutinizerand then such botch goes upstream mainline and sets standards11:41
* DocScrutinizer feels sick11:41
Venemo_N900Firzen: what is it that you'd like to know?11:41
FirzenVenemo_N900: hi, I just need install this sw by any way.. I've tried virtual image and it failed, then I've tried Nokia install scripts on my Debian linux and it failed too11:43
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: when one is doing something only for the sole reason he's paid, and he doesn't like his job, this is a typical outcome11:43
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Venemo_N900Firzen: well it should work on Debian flawlessly11:43
FirzenVenemo_N900: I posted my problem here:
DocScrutinizeryes, that's what it looks like11:43
FirzenVenemo_N900: (this is problem with virtual image)11:44
DocScrutinizerouch, VM11:44
DocScrutinizerthose are completely bitrotten aiui11:44
Venemo_N900Firzen: I simply installed with the script on tablets-dev11:45
Venemo_N900Firzen: it even worked on 64bit Fedora for me11:45
DocScrutinizershould probably work in a VM as well11:45
Firzenyes it should but it doesn't work11:45
FirzenVenemo_N900: witch script you used?11:46
Venemo_N900Firzen: click on "download the maemo 5 sdk"11:47
Venemo_N900Firzen: afaik it's a python script and will install everyhing you need11:48
Venemo_N900Firzen: I simply ran the script on my regular Fedora installation, and after setting vdso32 in grub.conf and disabling selinux it worked11:48
FirzenVenemo_N900: these script I tried..11:49
FirzenVenemo_N900: I too disabled it11:49
Venemo_N900Firzen: if you have a 64-bit installation, then setting vdso32 is necessary11:49
Venemo_N900Firzen: since there is no selinux on debian you don't need to bothr11:49
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DocScrutinizer(lp5523) it's a pity - the guy at Nokia who designed the chip sent me a few mails chatting with me about the LP5523. I could feel how proud he was about that shiny little gem, and right he was. And then I heard about his letdown about nobody (except me he said) really realized how great that chip is and how much it simplifies production test and everything11:50
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FirzenVenemo_N900: hmm and witch installer I should download?11:51
FirzenVenemo_N900: there are three versions11:51
DocScrutinizerthis guy for sure did his job for the fun of it, not just to get the money11:52
Venemo_N900Firzen: I used the GUI installer11:52
FirzenVenemo_N900: ok11:52
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: yeah, but not the guy who then wrote the crappy driver11:52
Venemo_N900this is how bad employees can screw good ones11:53
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DocScrutinizeryou don't even know if it was the guy who wrote the driver. He might have a reqirements spec and that is the one to follow. Some system architect unknown might have decided "we don't need that" (damn how often I heard this in industry)11:56
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Venemo_N900yeah, right11:56
Venemo_N900and if this was a decision made to shorten the release schedule, then he was right11:56
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DocScrutinizernot if a 3 hours more of thinking would at least have kept the spec of the API extensible11:57
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DocScrutinizerthen anybody (e.g. me) could blow up the driver to full brilliance at any later point in time. Not now though11:58
DocScrutinizerthe API is fubar11:58
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FirzenVenemo_N900: lol, so here is small problem11:59
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FirzenVenemo_N900: I am unable to execute this script11:59
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FirzenVenemo_N900: and It writes no error message12:00
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DocScrutinizerwell, maybe I find a way to augment it without breaking backward compatibility12:00
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DocScrutinizerso if I do, it's not the API that's fubar, it's just the missing spec that's a PITA - as usual12:01
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FirzenVenemo_N900: firzen@hope:~/Desktop$ chmod +x firzen@hope:~/Desktop$ kdesu ./ kdesu(3284) KDESu::PtyProcess::exec: [ ../../kdesu/process.cpp : 295 ]  Running "/bin/su" kdesu(3284) KDESu::SuProcess::ConverseSU: [ ../../kdesu/su.cpp : 259 ]  Read line "Password: " kdesu(3284) KDESu::PtyProcess::exec: [ ../../kdesu/process.cpp : 295 ]  Run12:03
FirzenVenemo_N900: and absolutely nothing happened :-/12:03
DocScrutinizerplease use patebin12:03
DocScrutinizerpastebin even12:03
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DocScrutinizere.g.:  blablobfoo --verbose    | netcat 123412:05
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Firzeni will try it in Ubuntu 10.0412:08
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DocScrutinizerWAAAH infobot :.(12:08
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keriothat is awesoem12:10
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DocScrutinizersince pastebinit borked when they all changed their API, I'm using this most of the time12:13
DocScrutinizergot netcat anyway12:13
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kerioyou mean nc12:14
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Venemo_N900hi again12:14
DocScrutinizerhere it's netcat12:14
Venemo_N900I hate when freenode randomly disconnects me12:14
kerioanyway, sucks that there's no way to specify a syntax colouring12:14
DocScrutinizeryou're not alone12:14
Venemo_N900kerio, syntax colouring in where?12:15
DocScrutinizerpastebin12:15 123412:15
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Venemo_N900oh, yes12:16
kerio lol12:16
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DocScrutinizerumm, loks good, no?12:17
DocScrutinizerwhatever it is12:17
kerioit's the headers that firefox generated when i went to
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kerioi still prefer paste.pocoo.org12:19
keriolodgeit is awsum12:19
DocScrutinizermeh, konqui opened a temporary textedit, with save and all, but no way to get the URL :-P12:21
Venemo_N900fpaste is nice too12:22
Venemo_N900but the main feature of that is the command line utility12:23
DocScrutinizerwell, I'm off now. Siiting in a corner and pouting about lp5523 driver, and the one missing register load that spoiled my fancy plan12:23
keriobtw, sieve of eratosthenes12:24
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: have a nice time12:24
Venemo_N900I'm leaving too12:25
Venemo_N900need to get something to eat12:25
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MohammadAGwhat's gnome-pty-helper?12:33
MohammadAGit prevents me from opening xterm till I kill it12:33
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lollooMohammadAG is it gnome-pty-helper is a program that setuid application used to open a pseudo-terminal, set the permissions, ownership and record user login information12:50
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Noobmonkey_MohammadAG, just trying to read fm radio status in qt mobility, and it turned on bluetooth instead! genius12:57
lcukNoobmonkey_, that sounds special13:00
Noobmonkey_lcuk, My device is special :P13:01
Noobmonkey_just tried it again, and it played a noise then stopped13:01
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lollooguys, whats the program name that let me access my xterminal from my pc to N900?13:01
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Noobmonkey_open ssh server?13:02
Noobmonkey_vnc server?13:02
lolloonot vnc for sure13:02
Noobmonkey_ssh works :)13:02
lolloobut let me check ssh server. cool13:02
lcuklolloo, if you mean using ssh, then in windows, running Putty is kinda the norm from windows side13:03
lollooyes thats it!!! PUTTY!13:03
* alterego wonders whether people would be interested in the actual satellite signal strength values being displayed over his strength bars.13:03
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lcukno alterego13:03
lcuki would be interested to know relative speed of the sat vs me13:03
alteregoHeh, why?13:04
lcukso that i can safely dock with one next time I am in LEO13:04
lcukdoes gps work from the ISS?13:05
Noobmonkey_how really odd!!13:06
Noobmonkey_lcuk, the fmtransmitter qtmobility stuff definitley turns on bluetooth even if the fm transmitter is already on13:06
lcukis that because its inside the orbit of the constelation?13:06
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lolloolcuk , login as?13:06
lolloois it user?13:06
Noobmonkey_are they linked?13:06
lcukyes Noobmonkey_ i recall something similar from before13:06
Noobmonkey_how odd!13:07
lcukbut you will have to investigate/make testcase/file bug to fix its behaviour13:07
lcukNoobmonkey_, at least i remember something like that13:07
Noobmonkey_lol lcuk  :)13:08
Noobmonkey_i'm using the generic qt test files, so i'm hoping they are already aware :)13:08
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crashanddieThis channel is bleeding users13:20
crashanddieabout a month ago, 500+ users, yesterday, 405, today, 38013:20
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jacekowskinobody likes maemo anymore13:20
crashanddieI'm losing mah powa!13:21
crashanddieI need victims!13:21
jacekowskiwhy somebody makes app so big that source code alone is 4G13:21
Venemo_N900crashanddie: there's still 500+ at certain times13:21
crashanddieyeah, 3 days after a PR release13:22
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alterego"An email, split into user and domain elements to stop harvesting" - This is an xml file, just becuse you turn one attribute into two doesn't really make it any harder to harvest email addresses.13:22
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khertan < i am really starting to like qt13:23
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alteregokhertan: it's addictive isn't it ;)13:24
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alteregoThat@s neat, are you planning to use QML?13:25
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alteregoHrm, gpx has optional "elevation" for points, but it doesn't document the units.13:28
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* RST38h yawns13:29
RST38hheya alrterego13:29
alteregoAloha :)13:29
Venemo_N900anyone tried jacekowski's fmtxd?13:31
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Venemo_N900khertan: I've been thinking about how to run c apps from KhtEditor13:32
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alteregoOh yes, its' in meters, I was just reading the documentation wrong :)13:33
Venemo_N900khertan: I came up with a simple solution13:35
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Noobmonkey_nice screenie khertan13:36
Venemo_N900hello Noobmonkey_13:36
Noobmonkey_mornin ;)13:36
khertanalterego, no at all qml look like css things ... beurk13:36
khertanVenemo_N900, hi13:36
khertanNoobmonkey_, hi13:37
khertanVenemo_N900, which is ?13:37
* Noobmonkey_ is screwing up qt yay!13:37
Venemo_N900khertan: 1. copy the source file to /tmp/khteditor (or similar)13:39
Venemo_N900khertan: 2. call 'make myfile' in that folder13:39
Venemo_N900khertan: 3. chmod then run the executable with the original source directory in PATH13:39
Venemo_N900khertan: it could be done with a shell script or be built into khteditor itself13:40
khertanhum ... but make will require a makefile13:41
khertan(sorry i'm not familiar with c tools)13:41
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Venemo_N900khertan: well it would normally13:42
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Venemo_N900khertan: but there is a hack in make that will let you compile a single source file to anexecutable13:42
Venemo_N900khertan: we could also use gcc for this13:42
crashanddiealterego: there was a good practice on usenet, which asked people to indicate when an email address had been tampered with13:43
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crashanddiealterego: simply by appending .invalid to the end. That way, you could meddle with it any way you wanted
alteregoHeh, neat13:44
crashanddieAnd it basically told people to look for more than simply copying/pasting the email address13:45
Venemo_N900khertan: and g++ for c++13:45
crashanddieIt actually came to a point where we saw the source code of a harvester bot who would simply ignore any email if it had .invalid at the end13:45
crashanddiekhertan: need help?13:46
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khertancrashanddie, hi13:49
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khertanVenemo_N900, hum ... but copying to /tmp the source file, would require to copy also inherited file13:50
khertanbrb too ... going to eat something13:51
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crashanddiekhertan: are you trying to allow compilation from within khteditor?13:59
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troulouliouhi , i just got a maemo ,  i have a friend with a maemo , when he turns it the phone application do directly opens in portrait mode14:05
fureddoMy application has missing dependencies in extras repo but it's ok in testing.  How come?  Why is it different?14:05
troulouliouis there anything to download / config to have that working14:05
thptroulouliou: open the phone app and use the menu, "turn control"14:06
troulouliouthp: ho so easy thanks :)14:06
thptroulouliou: or rather "turning control" -> "launch by turning"14:06
psycho_oreosyou can simply set it to portrait :)14:06
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troulouliouthanks working great14:07
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lcuklaunch by turning, zoolander application.14:07
lcukcould start up a different app based on the turning direction :D14:07
fureddoHere is my app:
Venemo_N900hi lcuk14:07
lcukyo! Venemo_N90014:07
fureddoOn testing and devel, no prob.  But on extras -> red warnings. Is it normal?14:08
lcukfureddo, which languages are included?14:08
fureddoIt's a qt application.14:09
lcukFlashcard application convenient for people wanting to learn vocabulary in one or more foreign languages.14:09
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lcukie, which languages are included.14:09
fureddoAh... Sorry.14:09
lcuknot which language is it written in? :)14:09
fureddoActually, no data are included by default.  But you can download some glossaries here: in the glossary page.14:10
lcukfureddo, gui download included?14:10
fureddoMany languages are supported.14:10
lcukor does the user/operator have to know how to find/download/install them themselves?14:10
fureddoYou can use the application to import the data.  But you must first download the data and put it somewhere on your device.14:11
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troulouliouwhat is the best "Ir remote"  program ?14:12
Venemo_N900troulouliou: irreco maybe14:13
BCMMtalking of ir, is it hard to capture a remote with lirc on a linux pc and use the data to have irreco imitate it?14:14
BCMM(i have an ir reciever for my desktop)14:14
troulouliouthanks installing it now14:15
lcukBCMM, i would have thought that would be feasible14:15
lcukbut not sure how it works in practice14:15
lcukfureddo, missing Finnish.14:15
BCMMlcuk: i've never transmitted with lirc before; does it use the same format for remote specification that it uses for recieving?14:15
BCMMalso, has anyone seen an lirc config that functions like a tvbgone?14:16
fureddolcuk: Finnish is supported but there is no available glossaries.14:17
BCMM(which is a device that broadcasts the "standby" signal for a large number of tvs back-to-back)14:17
lcuklol BCMM14:18
Venemo_N900BCMM: maybe contact irreco's author14:18
Venemo_N900what's the functional difference between Irreco and QtIrreco?14:19
BCMMlcuk: having it a phone would be the perfect cover, too14:20
Venemo_N900BCMM: hehe14:21
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Venemo_N900anyway, bb guys14:22
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fckhate netsplits14:24
BCMMhmm, there is a forum thread that basically concludes that the tvbgone firmware is open source but no one can work out how to convert their ir code format14:24
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steinexdo you guys thing leaving the n900 on 3g uses more power than 2g?14:28
BCMMit is known to14:28
BCMMthat's why there is an applet for forcing it to 2g14:29
fckor dual14:29
BCMM(when using the net connection, that is - doubt there is a substantial difference just idling waiting to be phoned)14:29
psycho_oreosor an app to switch it to 2G when 3G is not needed14:30
fckbut dual actually sucks i think becoz for me often reconnecting from 2g to 3g it eats even more battery14:30
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psycho_oreosI beg to differ, I recall using 3G permanently under PR1.1.1 gave me less than a day's uptime with moderate usage14:31
crashanddiefck: going from 2g to 3g is a negligeable operation14:32
psycho_oreosnow I get around about a day's usage with PR1.314:32
fckbut apps reconnecting14:33
fckand this sucks14:33
Noobmonkey_lcuk, figured out the qt fm tranmitter problem :P14:33
Noobmonkey_its cos the code is for a fm receiver lol ;)14:33
BCMMbear in mind that there is also a massive difference between constantly sending even small amounts of data, and just sitting online with no traffic14:33
fckhow man you can see even then you just reconnect n900 starting freaz14:33
MohammadAGNoobmonkey_, watcha trying to do?14:33
Noobmonkey_MohammadAG,  just suck out the fm transmitter information from qtmobility14:34
fckme always jabber, skype,google talk, icq, facebook chat14:34
BCMMi.e. irc over 3g uses an order of magnitude more power than being on gpr but doing nothing or waiting for a connection from elsewhere or something14:34
MohammadAGi'd just read the sysnodes :P14:34
Noobmonkey_sounds like an illnesas14:34
crashanddieBCMM: "waiting for connections"?14:34
crashanddieNoobmonkey_: you sound like an illness :P14:35
Noobmonkey_crashanddie,  :(14:35
BCMMcrashanddie: trying to find a reason to be on gprs and not use it14:35
BCMMclearly the only good reason is sitting online so you can ssh it when you need to :)14:35
crashanddieBCMM: considering most mobile IP setups aren't routable, I think you'd be pretty hard pushed to find anything "waiting for connections"14:36
BCMMyeah, i know14:36
BCMMlets say staying online and checking email every 10 then14:36
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neodemican anyone help me figure out how to get libpcre3 installed on my n90014:36
crashanddiefun idea: check if when using same ISP/contract in the same area, you get an IP address that's acceptable and you can ping one another... Wireless Quake3 LAN14:37
BCMMcrashanddie: weirdly, tmob uk has given me both real and loca ip addrs, depending on where i am14:37
crashanddieneodemi: it's available in the tools/sdk repository14:37
crashanddieneodemi: can I ask why you need it?14:37
neodemii was attempting to install kismet or aircrack and both seemed to need it14:38
BCMMi want ipv6.14:38
crashanddieneodemi: don't remember needing it, but well:
BCMMfirstly, the network would be able to give me a proper ip address, and secondly it wouldn't be practical for botnets to spam the entire address space any more, so you'd have a lot less pointless connections denting battery life14:39
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blackthornedo desktop shortcuts, wallpapers and applets make significant difference in batery lifetime?14:41
lcukapplets can, depends what they do14:41
lcukthe others are general static content14:41
BCMMeven live wallpapers go to sleep when you can't see them14:41
lcukbut busy live wallpapers do eat cpu :)14:42
BCMMam i right in saying that applets can go to sleep when hidden, but aren't forced to?14:42
BCMM(if they want to be checking the weather online or something)14:42
blackthornei have some triggers for 2G/3G modes, battery status, Wifi and SSH switchers, some widgets for agenda and weather and default wallpapers, many shortcuts14:43
lcukspeaking of battery life, my laptop is battery very low bbl14:43
thpBCMM: yes, the can (and should), but they are not forced to14:43
thp  s/the/they/14:43
blackthornemost things are static and mail sync is manual14:44
BCMMthp: well, weather is an example of one that shouldn't14:44
blackthorneeven though I can´t go over a day in n900 battery14:44
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BCMMblackthorne: but as lcuk said, ordinary wallpapers and shortcuts don't use substantial cpu time other than when switching desktops14:45
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BCMMblackthorne: are you on gprs all day?14:46
blackthornejust gsm14:46
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blackthornethough I make significant use of wifi14:46
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BCMMblackthorne: does it go flat fast even when just sitting in your pocket all day in case someone calls?14:47
BCMMblackthorne: ah, you might like to check if powersaving is enabled on your wireless router14:48
blackthornei only have it for 2 days... can`t be sure about that14:48
BCMMwith that enabled and working well, the n900 can idle on wifi for days14:48
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BCMMlcuk: huh?14:52
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* lcukn900 lazy sunday morning amusement14:52
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alteregoNot sure what to do, kind of fancy writing some more crap to use my nift Qt bluetooth stuff.14:55
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blackthornepowersaving,  where is that?14:57
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TomaszDanyone wants wine vouchers from and is from the UK?14:57
TomaszDI've got one that expires in two days for 40 GBP14:58
TomaszDand another fresh one for 50 GBP14:58
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blackthornetomaszD: not me, but thank you14:59
crashanddiewhat is it with amazon wine vouchers?15:00
alteregoTomaszD: for free? :)15:00
crashanddieare they trying to get people drunk?15:00
alteregoI'll have it :)15:00
crashanddiealterego: you'll have to pay for s&h15:00
TomaszDI don't know, all I know is that they don't deliver to Poland15:00
alteregocrashanddie: s&h?15:00
nidOcrashanddie: no, they just want to make you think you're getting something free when you're really not15:01
crashanddieshipping and handling15:01
alteregoThat's fine, I've got to order some other stuff today anyway ;)15:01
nidOsame as the wine vouchers lovefilm give away in every single disk delivery15:01
alteregoTomaszD: PM me the code :D15:01
troulouliouis anybidy here using the sdk ?15:02
blackthorneone good discount of amazon goes to office 2011: license for 3 persons - 110$15:03
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blackthornei thought maemo was good on movie playing, so I could play all formats15:18
blackthorneafter installing a pack of codecs only 2 movies out of a list of 515:19
SpeedEvilAll - no.15:19
blackthornethey all played in my ipod touch15:19
lcukblackthorne, then you already watched them.15:20
crashanddietroulouliou: a few people yes, how about you ask a question?15:20
lcukno need to see again :P15:20
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blackthornelcuk: emacs screencast should always be close to you15:21
RST38hblack: The punchline of this story is to always getmovies encoded in the widely available formats like Xvid =)15:21
crashanddiejust vi, no need for a screencast15:21
trouloulioucrashhanddie: have two problems , 1 i can not start the wm anymore in xephyr ; 2 when i switch from ARMEL to X86 , have a message "terminal type ?"15:21
lcukblackthorne, why screencast, can just play the real game15:21
* lcuk grabs his ideapad15:22
crashanddielcuk: how do you like the ideapad?15:22
trouloulioubut i just got the phone 4 days ago , maybe it is a real too noob questin answered on tons of forums :)15:22
blackthornethats how I switched to THE operating system15:22
crashanddietroulouliou: what error message do you get when trying to start the maemo environment?15:22
lcukcrashanddie, i like it :) missing stylus tho, i have to write using chalkboard hand15:22
lcukits more tiresome and the notes end up at about the same res/detail as n900 ones15:22
blackthorneafter many failed tries with books and articles15:22
crashanddielcuk: it runs meego, yes?15:23
lcukcrashanddie, yes, very well.15:23
crashanddielcuk: how does a full Qt interface work?15:23
crashanddielcuk: better/snappier than gtk?15:23
crashanddiehardware accel?15:23
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blackthornelcuk: ideapad? what gadget is that that I don`t have and dont even know?15:23
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crashanddieblackthorne: laptop that intel gave away at the meego conference15:24
lcukcrashanddie, go see some of the videos15:24
crashanddielcuk: i don't want videos, I want first hand experience15:24
crashanddieyours, preferably15:24
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lcukits much higher spec (obviously its x86 atom based multitouch netbook)15:24
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lcukcrashanddie, :) soon, just getting to know her15:24
crashanddieanyway, gotta run15:25
crashanddielater #maemo15:25
lcuktheres some handling issues lol15:25
troulouliouhere are the output15:25
RST38hlcuk: Can I put it into a pocket? =)15:25
aquatixlcuk: which ideapad model is that?15:25
troulouliouin xhephyr a can only see a twitter widget :)15:25
lcukblackthorne, at the #meego conf nokia and intel gave out lenovo ideapads to the participants15:25
aquatixah, the S10-3t15:25
troulouliouand when i click on it the screen is black again15:25
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blackthornelcuk I guess that conf is not for everybody...15:26
blackthorneseems a laptop like any other, Y46015:28
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erstaziwhat is your preferred stand-alone navigation app? navit? roadmap? sygic?15:28
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* MohammadAG thinks out loud15:32
aquatixerstazi: i like sygic15:32
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MohammadAGif kb LEDs have a brightness range of 0-255, and volume range is 0-100, then for each 100 /255 I have to raise brightness by 115:33
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roadi0 - 100 = 101 and 0 - 255 =  25615:35
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erstaziaquatix: yeah, 30€ is not bad, honestly15:37
pupnik_it's cold outside when helicopters sound more hi-fi15:37
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MohammadAGhow do I round up an int?15:44
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MohammadAGdoes this look wrong? int BPL = (value / 100 * 255);15:58
MohammadAGI always get 0 in the output15:59
SpeedEvilwhat is value15:59
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MohammadAGan int from 0-10016:00
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MohammadAG71 is value, BPL is 016:00
alteregoNeed to make one a floating point value.16:00
ieatlintyeah, 100*255 is 2550016:00
alteregoThen round.16:00
ieatlint100 / 25500 is 016:00
alteregovalue / 100.0f * 25516:00
alteregoThough, the rounding is implicit.16:01
alteregoSpeedEvil: is the nicer integer way of doing it ;)16:01
ieatlinterr, yeah, i'm on crack... forgetting my order, ignore what i said :P16:01
ieatlintyeah, SpeedEvil is the most correct answer as it avoids floating point math...16:02
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, alterego ty :)16:02
MohammadAGis there a way to write an integer to a file? or just convert it to a string16:03
alteregoYeah, you can do that.16:03
MohammadAG.toString() I guess?16:03
ieatlintdo you want it as an int or as a string?16:04
alteregoThat's a nice function that'll output integers, or decimals.16:04
alterego(depending on the argument type.16:04
MohammadAGsigh, /home/mohammad/VU-build-maemo/../VU/mainwindow.cpp:101: error: no matching function for call to 'QFile::write(QString)'16:04
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MohammadAGhm, candidates are: qint64 QIODevice::write(const char*, qint64)16:04
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MohammadAGSpeedEvil, Qt16:04
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ieatlintyou can work around that with .toASCII() and .length() on the qstring, or there is a more specific function i think for writing text16:05
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alteregoJust do QString::constData() :)16:08
MohammadAG.toAscii() worked :D16:09
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MohammadAGand I must say, a pulsing VU is better16:09
MohammadAGrun it as root16:11
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MohammadAGlock the screen before it starts16:12
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ieatlintit's too damned cold16:24
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luke-jrieatlint: I concur.16:25
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luke-jrexcept for the bit about Hell freezing16:25
luke-jrpretty sure it's not quite so cold there16:25
SpeedEvilI looked at the weather forecast for next weekend.16:26
SpeedEvilThis was a mistake - it's -15C16:26
luke-jris it really?16:26
luke-jrwhat's that in Temps?16:26
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ieatlintyeah, it's no where near that cold here... but i don't really have heating, so when it hits the current temp of 4c, i'm just fucking cold16:27
SpeedEvilI also don't have heating - it's 2C in here.16:27
SpeedEvilActually - 3C16:28
SpeedEvilthat is 3, not -316:28
SpeedEvilElectric blanket++16:28
ieatlinteek, it's maybe 8c in here... you win16:28
luke-jr meh, the day doesn't look too bad16:28
kerioi'm in my bed under blankets16:28
kerioi win16:28
luke-jrgets up to 76 F today16:28
SpeedEvilI'm also in bed16:28
luke-jrlow 80s Mon and Tue16:28
SpeedEvilUnder blankets16:28
ieatlinthah, i have blanket + other human keeping me "warm" right now16:28
ieatlintplus laptop16:28
SpeedEvilI'd much rather have a human.16:29
SpeedEvilWell - a subset of humans.16:29
SpeedEvilNot just any random one.16:29
alteregoCrazy ..16:29
ieatlinta subset? like a minority?16:29
luke-jr84 F on Monday…16:29
ieatlintluke-jr: yeah, damn you florida16:29
luke-jrieatlint: he means a specific human16:29
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kerioieatlint: it would need to be a bigass bed to hold a majority of humans16:30
SpeedEvilieatlint: Female, 16-40, BMI between 17 and 28, acceptable personal hygine, not too annoying.16:30
kerioi'd go for asian fetish supermodel16:31
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ieatlintoops :P16:31
ieatlintperson next to me is a former fetish model, but not asian, heh16:32
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keriowait, srsly?16:36
ieatlintheh, essentially, yeah16:37
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pupnik"Mankind is selfish and greedy!  Therefore we must give absolute power to other selfish and greedy men!" <-- hahahahah16:42
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alteregoShould probably add a nice bluetooth devices dialo, to stop people having to explicitely enter in the bluetooth device address.16:45
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trumeecrap, the power kernel (v46) eats up the cpu on a sip call like nobodys business.16:55
trumeeStock kernel eats up about 35% of cpu while power kernel goes upto 60%16:56
trumeeis the power kernel from extras repo support PR 1.3?16:58
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Venemo_N900hey guys17:00
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alteregoHe Venemo17:07
Venemo_N900hi alterego17:07
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Venemo_N900alterego, how's your app? :)17:09
trumeebooooooo, power kernel v40 from extra also eats up cpu17:10
trumee62.2% cpu with power kernel  vs 40% stock kernel.17:10
alteregoGood thanks.17:10
alteregoNot working on it today, just relaxing ;)17:11
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alteregoVenemo_N900: what are you working on at the moment? Anything?17:11
trumeePulse audio eats up too much cpu in power kernel. Is there any trick i am missing?17:11
trumeeNot keen on OCing though17:11
trumeeI need a kernel which can let me setup N900 as a usb router.17:12
trumeebaslically with iptables/NAT support.17:12
Venemo_N900alterego: well... attending uni and having a job is hard17:12
trumeeDocScrutinizer: ^^17:12
Venemo_N900alterego: that's what I'm working on17:12
Venemo_N900trumee: maybe a later version of the power kernel?17:13
alteregoI'm trying to work out why my bluetooth slave mode has stopped working.17:13
trumeeVenemo_N900: i tried v46 from extras-devel, same response.17:13
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Venemo_N900alterego: in the meantime, I'm still looking for a good idea for my homework app17:13
alteregoBasically, my app allows you to set it up to connect to a host bluetooth rfcomm service, rather than acting as a host itself.17:14
Venemo_N900trumee: sorry to hear that17:14
alteregoIt's a feature that is probably pointless, but I want it there for completeness.17:14
Venemo_N900alterego: yeah, you've mentioned it yesterday17:14
trumeeanybody using power kernel along with sip?17:14
alteregoWell, for some reason it has stopped working, complaining "Device or resource  busy" :/17:14
Venemo_N900alterego: it stopped working just out of the blue?17:15
Venemo_N900alterego: that's weird17:15
alteregoYeah, or, it stopped working out of the bluetooth :P17:15
Venemo_N900fortunately I won't have to work in my next semester, so I'll probably have more time for the community and everything17:17
alteregoAs far as your homework project is concerned, what kind of tech do you want to work with?17:17
Venemo_N900alterego: qt for sure17:17
alteregoI meant a little beyond that ;)17:17
Venemo_N900alterego: well it is suposed to be something not trivial17:18
alteregonetworking, web services, sensors, geo-location.17:18
alteregoSomething a little more lower level.17:18
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Venemo_N900the current idea is a gps tracker app, but sine there are more than one already, I'm not very happy with this idea17:18
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alteregoHeh, yeah, mine does that ;)17:19
Venemo_N900yeah, yours is one of them17:19
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Venemo_N900anyway, I haven't a clue what I should do17:19
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Venemo_N900alterego: I was thinking about an RSS app too17:21
Venemo_N900alterego: but I'm not sure if it would qualify as non-trivial17:21
alteregoAh fixed it :)17:22
Venemo_N900congrats alterego :)17:22
alteregoNext to add a nice little device selection dialog.17:23
alteregoSo you can choose which bluetooth device to use, rather than enter it's BT address.17:23
alteregoThen it'll display open channels, and away you go :)17:24
Venemo_N900thought you said you're not working on it today :P17:25
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alteregoChanged my mind,.17:25
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Venemo_N900alterego: so any ideas?17:38
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alteregoJust thought of something cool, a bluetooth mesh network :)17:43
Venemo_N900mesh network?17:44
Venemo_N900what's that?17:44
alteregoThough you probably don't have a, erm, significant number of devices to make it impressive.17:44
alteregoWell, like a chat program that allows you to talk to any connected bluetooth device, that's connected to you or a peer.17:45
Venemo_N900oh, yeah17:45
Venemo_N900someone already does this as his homework :(17:45
alteregoOh, ghey :(17:45
alteregoI wonder if he's doing daisy chaining too.17:46
alteregoYou could have an infinite number of devices connected :)17:46
Venemo_N900although the guy might have given up on bluetooth, I dunno17:46
Venemo_N900what's daisy chaining?17:46
kerioO -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O17:46
alteregoA while ago I was going to work on a web interface to the N90017:47
Venemo_N900what sort of web interface?17:47
alteregoWell, each device works as a host/relay so when someone sends it, you recieve the message and pass it on to all connected peers.17:47
keriough, that routing thing is tough17:48
alteregoSo you can use bluetooth to allow everyone that's within a five meter radius of anyone else to connect.17:48
keriowhat if someone in the middle disconnects17:48
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alteregoYeah, well timestamps, buffers and a custome sdp service.17:49
kerioalso go look at the ds' pictochat :)17:49
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ieatlintyeah, mesh networks usually have some crippling flaws17:49
alteregoVenemo_N900: a web interface that allows you to do everything the phone can do, look up contacts, send sms' calendar that sort of thing.17:50
Venemo_N900alterego: I would prefer a server-client architecture17:50
ieatlintbut then, torrents in some ways are mesh, along with tor, skype and some large wifi deployments17:50
Venemo_N900oh, nice17:50
alteregoVenemo_N900: it is, but each node is a server and a client.17:50
Venemo_N900well I might read up on it17:50
MohammadAGsorta like ad-hoc on wifi17:50
alteregoMeans you only have to write one program too ;)17:50
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* alterego looks at his list of app ideas.17:51
alteregortcomm/telepathy plugin for facebook messages (not chat) something more like email.17:52
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alteregoThe web interface is something cool though, I started working on a small prototype in Python.17:55
alteregoNot really a Qt app though17:55
alteregoUnless you want to implement your own Qt based HTTP server as well.17:55
ieatlinti imagine qt mobility would be pretty good for that... might even port to symbian17:55
ieatlintwould be very useful for stalking people17:56
ieatlintremotely connect and view their messages, phone call history, contacts, calendar.. :P17:56
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ieatlintwould've saved a lot of trouble for the ex-bf of a friend of mine17:57
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Venemo_N900lol :D17:58
alteregoNokia released something similar for Symbian S6017:58
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alteregoWas quite cool, used python and apache unusually :)17:58
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MohammadAG"Mobile Web Server"17:58
MohammadAGit bricked my old N95 lol17:59
alteregoHah, worked fine for me on my N95 and N96 :)17:59
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ieatlinti seem to recall that for my old n80... was laggy as hell, and only offered minimal functionality as i recall17:59
ieatlintleft the phone unusable while running18:00
alteregoYeah, sometimes it was really crap ;)18:00
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alteregoVenemo_N900: other than that I'm not sure I've got any other ideas for you :(18:03
Venemo_N900alterego: what more is on your list of app ideas?18:03
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alteregoDeviant art sharing service18:04
alteregoSSH sharing service18:04
alteregolink local SIP client18:05
alteregoLocal voice mailbox18:05
alteregoAnd an app that can use the power/charging indicator led to flash activity when plugged in as a usb storage device.18:05
MohammadAGlocal voice mailbox?18:05
alteregoYeah, basically when someone rings you, if you don't answer, it plays a recorded message, beeps, then records the phone call.18:06
MohammadAGthat would be nice, though that would be more of a daemon right?18:06
alteregoSo you don't have to pay for calling up your operators' mailbox.18:06
* MohammadAG liked those apps18:06
alteregoThat's pretty much it.18:07
alterego(All my project ideas)18:07
MohammadAGcall detected -> fire a timer -> timer finishes -> pick up call, forward all mic input to some prerecorded file, forward all output to file -> save in db18:07
Venemo_N900hehe :)18:07
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Venemo_N900is there an api for that?18:07
alteregoThere are a couple of much larger projects, but those aren't interesting to any of you, they're targetted specifically to a closed market.18:08
alteregoHeh :)18:08
MohammadAGyes -> yes -> yes -> yes -> hmm(?) -> yes, yes18:08
MohammadAGhmm(?) part is alsa and pulseaudio18:08
alteregoI was also thinking of using my fft implementation to detect DTMF tones and allow you to "program" an automated menu system. :)18:09
Venemo_N900alterego: what closed market?18:09
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alteregoWell, by closed I mean specifically targetted towards non-users :P18:11
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alteregoBasically a couple of applications oriented towards security services and the police.18:11
Venemo_N900alterego: non-users?18:11
Venemo_N900alterego: oh18:11
Venemo_N900well I like the bluetooth messaging idea18:12
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alteregoI started working on them when I used to work at Tyco, but stopped when I got made redundant, I do plan on contuinuing the work and selling the product to either Tyco or some other companies I know that do a similar line of business.18:12
alteregoVenemo_N900: yeah, that's a good project to do.18:12
alteregoI was going to call it "Blue Buddy"18:12
Venemo_N900will look if there's a properly documented API for BT18:12
alteregoIt also had the ability to notify you when a known bdaddr (friend) comes into proximity.18:12
trouloulioui how do i press escape in maemo ?18:13
Venemo_N900troulouliou: you don't18:13
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toresbehey guys18:13
alteregoVenemo_N900: Qt mobility 1.2 has a connectivity API with bluetooth for symbian, windows and linux.18:13
lcuktroulouliou, press the back button on n8x018:13
Venemo_N900troulouliou: you can remap the keyboard though18:13
alteregoI implemented my own bluetooth stuff, but you should use that.18:13
toresbeis there a consensus about what IR control app is best for N900?18:13
lcukthat should work on maemo3 and 4 *grin*18:13
alterego(as you're not planning to sell yours.18:13
Venemo_N900alterego: sounds nice18:14
Venemo_N900toresbe: well I use QtIrreco18:14
Venemo_N900alterego: I'll look at the api18:14
toresbeI am really annoyed with the irreco interface18:14
toresbeit is horrendous18:14
Venemo_N900alterego: should it be a conversations plugin or a separate app?18:14
alteregoWell, conversatiosn doesn't allow for group chat does it?18:15
troulouliouVenemo_N900: i have ported a full screen 3D app to maemo18:15
alteregoSo it'll have to be a simple Qt ui as well.18:15
Venemo_N900alterego: it does for Skype18:15
troulouliouis there any screeshot app ; to post the result ?18:15
Venemo_N900troulouliou: ctrl+shift+P18:16
Venemo_N900troulouliou: that's print screen18:16
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infobotOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)18:16
troulouliouyeah nice :)18:16
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Venemo_N900troulouliou: will make a screen shot to the images/screenshots directory18:16
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Venemo_N900troulouliou: as for esc, modifying the keybinding shouldn't be hard after porting an app18:17
troulouliouyes sure18:17
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: thx for bringing us infobot :P18:17
Venemo_N900troulouliou: there is an onscreen esc in the xterm app, but other than that, there is no esc key on the N90018:17
Venemo_N900troulouliou: most ports use the backspace button instead18:18
troulouliouok will map to backspace18:19
* kerio has his own xkbd set up to *have* escape18:19
trouloulioubtw gles1.0 seems really slow on N900 upon firs test18:20
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lcukwhat if you were coding in a ferrari? would it go fast then?18:21
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Venemo_N900lcuk, I like your sense of humor18:23
troulouliouno but maybe the gles1.0 is just a POC compared to gles2.018:23
Venemo_N900well then use gles218:23
trouloulioui think the gpu has been built for gles2.018:23
troulouliouno that easy to port :)18:23
troulouliouon the roadmap18:23
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Venemo_N900what app is it btw?18:24
alteregot [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]18:24
alterego16:21 -!- Bash1 [~Bash@94-193-105-245.zone7.bethere.cot [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]18:24
troulouliougame using Ogre3D18:24
alteregoWhat the hell was that?18:25
Venemo_N900ok, but what game?18:25
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troulouliougk i using a copy version of ogre 1.7.218:26
troulouliousupport for a rendersystem using gles2.0/ egl is in pretty unstable devlopment18:26
* Bash1 thinks he has an admirer :P18:27
Bash1or stalker*18:27
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MohammadAGBash1, no, we just use Bash as a programming language around here :P18:29
comawhiteMohammadAG, we do?18:30
trumeeMohammadAG: any idea why pulse audio consumes high cpu in Power kernel compared to stock in a sip call?18:31
MohammadAGnope, I'm not involved in kernel-power18:31
MohammadAGask titan18:31
trumeedoes he use irc?18:32
MohammadAG~seen t-tan18:35
infobott-tan <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 169d 20h 54m 25s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'.18:35
kerio^proof that overclocking is bad18:36
trumeei wonder if anybody uses power kernel along with sip here.18:36
trumeekerio: unless power kernel overclocks by default, i didnt do any overclocking18:36
steinextrumee: i do, but rarely18:36
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steinexmy sipnumber is forwarded to gsm most ofthe time18:37
trumeesteinex: sip call using g711 uses 60% in power-kernel compared to 40% in stock.18:37
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trumeesteinex: do you use ulaw codec?18:38
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steinextrumee: i think not18:39
pupnikFeds "Cultivated" Christmas Tree Bomber For 18 Months
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toresbeARGH IRRECO18:43
toresbeI am so patching the hell out of this18:43
Venemo_N900alterego: what would you think about a puzzle game that generates a puzzle from an image on the device?18:44
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alteregoYeah, that's a cool idea :)18:45
alteregoReally cool idea, you could do it in Qt Quick ;)18:45
* Venemo_N900 has never tried Qt Quick?18:45
alteregoActually don't bother.18:45
Venemo_N900qt quick is just another name for QML right?18:45
alteregoThere's no way to tell Qt Quick to "position" the image to get the right segment.18:46
alteregoQML sorry ;)18:46
alteregoDo it in Qt, and make sure you use lots of QPropertyAnimations for the tiles :D18:46
Venemo_N900I was thinking of incorporating some OpenGL18:46
Venemo_N900what is that?18:46
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alteregoIt allows you to do some really cool animation effects.18:48
alteregoFor instance, you create a QPropertyAnimation on the "geometry" property of a QWidget, and when a user clicks on a tile, it sets the geometry through the QPropertyAnimation to move the tile pressed into the open slot.18:49
alteregoWithin a specified duration.18:49
Venemo_N900so it is like animations in WPF18:49
alteregoAnd you can set easing curves, which allow you to do bounce effects and all sorts. That's what I'd do :)18:49
Venemo_N900or Silverlight18:49
alteregoYeah, it's an animation framework.18:50
alteregoIt's basically what QML is based on.18:50
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Venemo_N900do you have a link for this animation framework?18:50
alteregoI use it in Columbus for all my animations, when the user taps on my screen, I use a bounce easing curve to display my tool buttons. Adds a little bit of funk to the UX :)18:50
alteregoIt's all in the generic Qt documentation18:50
Venemo_N900hehe, yeah18:50
Venemo_N900We used to make all sorts of animations like that in Silverlight at my previous workplace18:51
alteregoQPropertyAnimation is really nice and flexible, as it allows you to animate an objects property for any type that can be used by QVariant.18:52
Venemo_N900that's nice18:52
alteregoWhich includes colors, points, rectangles :)18:52
Venemo_N900sounds like SL18:52
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Venemo_N900the place and the app we worked on was flawed in many ways18:53
Venemo_N900but ultimatly it was the salary I got from them that allowed me to get an N900 :P18:53
alteregoNice :)18:54
Venemo_N900alterego: what should I look for in the Qt docs?18:54
Venemo_N900oh, thx18:54
alteregoThat's a really good idea for an app though Venemo_N900 I hope you do it.18:54
alteregoHours and hours of fun :)18:55
Venemo_N900didn't find it in
alteregoIt's part of QtGui18:55
Venemo_N900thx alterego18:55
Venemo_N900oh, ok18:56
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Venemo_N900which reminds me18:56
Venemo_N900I'll have to fix the text input class in Qt18:57
Venemo_N900for Maemo18:57
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Venemo_N900alterego: remember the bugs I told you yesterday?19:03
DocScrutinizer(<MohammadAG> does this look wrong? int BPL = (value / 100 * 255);) use value * 255 / 100 !19:04
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, already solved it, SpeedEvil mentioned that :)19:04
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DocScrutinizerand never even dare to think you might need real/float/whatever your langs name for that, just because you're lazy to think what's happening in integre arithmetics19:10
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DocScrutinizeras long as you have to cpe with less than ~2^28 discrete possible values of a var, you *never* must use real19:13
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pupnikh m19:14
Venemo_N900what's up Noobmonkey_ ?19:15
Noobmonkey_just completed the sensor checking screen for healthcheck :P19:15
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Noobmonkey_shows all availablia variables in real times for the sensors :)19:15
Venemo_N900sounds very nic19:16
Venemo_N900sounds very nice19:16
Noobmonkey_i like it when things go smoothly :)19:16
Noobmonkey_using qtmobility, when it works, things really can be easy!19:16
Noobmonkey_just a case of a list box listing all available, then two more, one for static properties, and one for the changeable ones :) :) - taken about 3 hours to fit it on the screen though!19:17
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Noobmonkey_camera, media, sound and led's to go! :P19:20
Noobmonkey_oh and gps, bluetooth too lol19:20
Venemo_N900still coding it in Python?19:21
Noobmonkey_naaa c++/qt :) - another fresh start19:21
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Noobmonkey_screenies from last week here -
Noobmonkey_lol kerio19:21
Venemo_N900Noobmonkey_: I'm proud of you19:22
Noobmonkey_Venemo_N900,  it wasnt that python wasnt good enough, but i struggle hand drawing the screens, finally got a setup with qtcreator that means i can work on the gui easier19:22
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AfterisSetting up docstogo (2.000.315) ...19:22
Venemo_N900kerio is a Python zealot, but don't worry19:22
Noobmonkey_lol :) - i like python, was v easy19:22
AfterisUnknown media type in type 'sketch/png'19:22
Noobmonkey_but might as well start learning 2 languages in 1 year ;)19:22
Noobmonkey_ooo Afteris just remined me of one more check, mime types :)19:23
Noobmonkey_oh, and fm radio transmitter! darn they just keep coming19:23
Venemo_N900sorry Noobmonkey_, the connection here is crap, can't watch your screenshots19:23
Noobmonkey_ahhh :p fair enough :)19:24
Noobmonkey_wiould love some feedback when you get time :)19:24
Venemo_N900you'll get it when I get home19:24
Noobmonkey_right, roast dinner to be ready for 5 people in 30 mins, better go check on it!19:25
Noobmonkey_back in a bit!19:25
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Venemo_N900lcuk, what do you think about the puzzle game idea?19:48
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DHRMy n800 is acting a bit oddly.  Here's a dmesg log .  Several things look interesting19:56
DHRline 121: # [   46.039062] onenand_wait: correctable ECC error = 0x000419:57
DHRline 126: # [   54.906250] JFFS2 warning: (1262) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -58419:58
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DHRa whole bunch of lines like this: # [  292.289062] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled19:59
DHRand this: # [  294.789062] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled19:59
DHRIs this normal (I admit that I only looked at dmesg when the n800 became sick)?20:00
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Venemo_N900DHR: we would need to know what you mean by 'sick'20:01
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Venemo_N900also see20:02
infobotflashing is, like,
alteregoDHR: how much rootfs space do you have?20:03
DHRfair enough.  My wife has been using it as an mp3 player.  Application: canola.  It takes forever to go into a playlist now.  I'm still exploring.20:04
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DHR root is 78% full20:05
DHR(I'm not good at IRC.  I typed / is 78% full and wondered why it didn't show up)20:06
Venemo_N900no problem DHR20:06
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Venemo_N900I recommend to try a full reflash, and reformat memory cards if any20:07
Venemo_N900if the problem persists, I'll pass the question to someone more knowledgeable20:07
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DHRWhat's the best load for an n800 these days.  I realize that is a matter of opinion, but I'd like any thoughts you might have.20:08
DHRAm I correct in my guess that the ECC message is about the built-in NAND flash?20:09
SpeedEvilI believe it to be so, yes20:09
SpeedEvil'reformatting' - reflashing might help20:10
DHRthanks, Venemo_N900 and SpeedEvil20:10
Venemo_N900it snowed here!20:11
SpeedEvilIt's also snowed here.20:12
DHRThe most interesting state on the n800 is the collection of canola playlists.  Do you know if there is an easy way to rescue them before I reflash?  If you don't know, I'll explore.20:12
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Venemo_N900DHR, maybe you can save them to your pc?20:12
SpeedEvilDHR: That error from jffs is that it's run out of space to store the 'bad block' list20:13
SpeedEvilDHR: this is not in principle a terminal failure20:13
SpeedEvilDHR: but I'm not sure how you go about reformatting the jffs20:13
DHRnot much snow here (Toronto).  SpeedEvil: where's "here"?20:13
SpeedEvilI've never had a n800, so can't answer this.20:13
SpeedEvilFife, Scotland.20:13
DHRI presume JFFS is in internal NAND so I'd guess reflashing would fix it.20:14
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DHRI've not heard of Fife, but have heard of Fifeshire.  I presume that is the county containing a city called Fife.20:16
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SpeedEvilFifeshire is basically as correct as calling Ontario a state.20:18
SpeedEvilShire is an english thing.20:19
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SpeedEvilDoesn't especially bother me. :)20:19
* SpeedEvil wishes for a decent music player on n900.20:20
alteregoThat and England isn't really big enough for states.20:20
SpeedEvilI should probably try the existing ones.20:20
alteregoStates are more like Scotland and Wales20:20
SpeedEvilThe built-in one is silly.20:20
SpeedEvilScotland, Wales are countries.20:21
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SpeedEvilThe united kingdom is composed of the three united kingdoms of scotland, england, and wales, with one king. (well, queen). And northern ireland.20:21
SpeedEvil,_Fife - teeny village.20:22
SpeedEvilWell - quite small anyway.20:22
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DHRthere is an English phrase "provinces" as in "from the provinces", which seems to mean "from some backwater".20:22
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Venemo_N900good news: my train has arrived20:23
Venemo_N900and it's snowing here :)20:23
DHRhere == some place in Hungary?20:24
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Venemo_N900DHR, yes20:26
Venemo_N900specifically Budapest20:26
Venemo_N900I'm in the metro now20:26
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Venemo_N900I must say, irc is a very good way to pass the time when I'm on a train20:27
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messertingHi folks, I've got a N900 PR1.3 with a few .mp3 and .ogg files in my Music folder. I can browse and play both types, but in the Media Player, the .ogg files doesn't show20:33
messertingKnown issue? Known quick fix?20:33
Venemo_N900messerting: have you installed the extra decoders package?20:34
keriomesserting: tracker being the usual dick20:35
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Venemo_N900kerio: the extra decoders support package is what adds .oggs to tracker afaik20:37
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alteregoHe would be able to play them if he didn't have some kind of extra off support.20:37
keriotry rebuilding the db20:37
keriotracker-processes -something20:37
Venemo_N900alterego: umm?20:38
infobotalterego meant: He would be able to play them if he didn't have some kind of extra ogg support.20:38
alteregos/would/wouldn't/ ;)20:39
Venemo_N900butterfly seems to no longer work for me :(20:41
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Venemo_N900which plugin do you guys use for MSN?20:42
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andre__messerting, did it work in PR1.2? if so see
povbotBug 11511: Media player doesn't show Ogg files after PR1.3 upgrade20:45
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Venemo_N900andre__: interesting20:50
Venemo_N900andre__: how is it that it shows oggs for me in pr1.320:50
MohammadAGwho the fuck is ~mrg@unaffiliated/mintux20:51
crashanddie~seen mintux20:52
infobotmintux <~user@unaffiliated/mintux> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 70d 22h 55m 56s ago, saying: 'if i clicked on settings icon i can see close icon on the shortcuts but shortcuts doesn't appear'.20:52
crashanddieMohammadAG: username mintux, he's connected now20:52
JaffaOh, just remembered it's MWKN night20:55
JaffaGAN900: ping20:55
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MohammadAGVenemo_N900, Maemo WeeKly News21:00
Venemo_N900messerting: bottomline is, uninstalling ogg-support and reinstalling it should fix the issue.21:00
Venemo_N900thx MohammadAG21:00
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messertingandre__ and Venemo_N900: Sorry for disappearing - thanks for the replies! I will check the report and resinstall ogg-support I guess :)21:03
Venemo_N900you're welcome messerting21:04
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Noobmonkey_back in a bit!21:11
Venemo_N900hello Noobmonkey_ :)21:11
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messertingI did "apt-get remove ogg-support", and that took away two other packages which I now have forgot the name of. Anyone knows where the log is? The scrollback history was too short...21:14
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messertingMy /var/log/dpkg.log is empty21:15
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thpJaffa: can you add the gpodder 2.10 announcement to mwkn if i write it before midnight?21:16
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messerting(Intrestingly, my /var/log/lastlog is more than 8 MB now...)21:16
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Venemo_N900messerting: huh, did you close the terminal since then?21:17
messertingStill have the terminal open, but not enough scrollback21:17
messertingwhen I removed the package(s), tracker started parsing my .ogg files...21:18
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Venemo_N900well then go to
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Venemo_N900search for ogg support and see what depends on it21:18
messertingSo, there is no log?21:18
messertingokay, good idea21:18
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messertingmaemo-mapper was one of them :)21:20
Venemo_N900I dunno what log woud provide this, sorry21:20
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Venemo_N900nah, I arrived home21:24
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Venemo_N900will be back soon21:24
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messertingAh, at least my .ogg files are back in Media Player. Thanks Venemo_N900, kerio, alterego21:25
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ynaveMohammadAG:  hye,  what a big bug, same problem as yesterday :s21:26
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VenemoNoobmonkey_: you can send me those screenshots now :)21:31
Noobmonkey_back :)21:31
Noobmonkey_and good timing lol21:31
Venemojust got home21:31
Noobmonkey_they where taken a few days ago, so a bit has changed, but its not far off :)21:32
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VenemoNoobmonkey_: ok, I got a few thought about 'em21:34
VenemoNoobmonkey_: interested? :P21:34
Noobmonkey_yeah go for it :)21:35
Venemofirst, I like the blue design, it looks nice21:35
Venemoso this one seems to be full of graphics bugs: so this one seems to be full of gr21:35
Venemoso this one seems to be full of graphics bugs:
Noobmonkey_ahh yeah21:36
Noobmonkey_that one hasn't been sorted yet21:36
Venemoand this is also "not there yet":
VenemoI recommend to either use the actual theme in the device, or fully customize it21:36
Venemobut not inbetween21:36
Noobmonkey_hehe i haven't added any styling to any list boxes yet21:36
Venemoyep, noticed :)21:36
Noobmonkey_only to the labels and backgrounds :P21:37
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Noobmonkey_got a way to go to sort out the hard ones :P21:37
Venemoand one more thing: -> I have a much better dialog for you21:37
Noobmonkey_theres a better dialog? - in built, or custom?21:37
VenemoNoobmonkey_: it can have an "Advanced" button too21:37
Noobmonkey_thats snazzy!21:38
VenemoNoobmonkey_: the advanced button allows for fully customized editing with this other dialog:
VenemoNoobmonkey_: all you need to do is just add a library, include a header, and call a method21:38
Noobmonkey_cool!!! :)21:38
Noobmonkey_will take a look through!21:39
Noobmonkey_thank you ! :)21:39
VenemoNoobmonkey_: for an example on how to call it, see
Noobmonkey_nice, and easy too :) ty!21:40
VenemoNoobmonkey_: the final task is to add your app to this list:
Noobmonkey_hehe once i use it i will :P21:41
Noobmonkey_still got alot to do and tidy up!21:41
VenemoNoobmonkey_: okay :)21:41
VenemoNoobmonkey_: you can also use the other stuff in it if you like 'em21:41
Noobmonkey_yeah liking the about one :P21:42
VenemoNoobmonkey_: that is also very easy to call21:42
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VenemoNoobmonkey_: another single method call from the same header file21:42
Noobmonkey_yeah can see from your code!21:42
Noobmonkey_V  impressive, i like easy things!21:42
VenemoNoobmonkey_: me too, that's why I made it easy :)21:43
Noobmonkey_:P hehehe21:43
VenemoNoobmonkey_: (I was the one who created the Qt bindings for them)21:43
Noobmonkey_ahhhhhhhhhhh! :) :) :)21:43
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Noobmonkey_continuity is a great thing :)21:43
Noobmonkey_well done!21:43
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Venemohere is an example dialog with the about button21:44
VenemoNoobmonkey_: what do you mean by continuity:21:44
VenemoNoobmonkey_: ?21:44
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Noobmonkey_I mean, allowing developers to use the same screens, "Maemo Continuity" therefore users know what things do in apps they haven't used :)21:45
Noobmonkey_ie the about button, colour screens etc21:45
VenemoNoobmonkey_: oh yeah :)21:45
VenemoNoobmonkey_: it is a great thing, and this is a great UI21:45
VenemoNoobmonkey_: this is the very reason I contributed to the team21:46
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Venemonah, I'm off now... going to my favourite timesink :P21:48
Venemo(which is Starcraft 2)21:49
merlin1991a gamer :D21:49
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Venemomerlin1991: just a casual one :P21:50
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merlin1991I'm off to my not so fav timesink21:50
kerioVenemo: did you watch dreamhack?21:50
merlin1991crimping cables21:50
kerioooh i want a crimper21:51
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MohammadAGI want no cables21:54
keriois that steel21:54
keriowhy do i only have plastic plugs :(21:54
merlin1991got them for 14€ for 100 pices21:55
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GAN900Jaffa, pong.22:03
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JaffaGAN900: Just checking your availability rhis evening. I've just got in from lbt's...22:04
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GAN900Jaffa, reasonably high. Just napped away the last 4 hours with a cold.22:06
JaffaSounds nice...22:07
JaffaApart from the cold bit22:07
GAN900Hardest sleep I've ever had in my night22:08
GAN900Lucidity is, apparently, fleeting.22:08
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GAN900Want to import from twitter, send me a link and I'll take it from there?22:08
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JaffaGAN900: Will do once kids are in bed22:12
GAN900Jaffa, OK.22:12
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DocScrutinizerkerio: there's clearly defined cases where you MUST use shielded plugs (steel) on both ends, and there's also clearly defined cases where you MUST use plastic unshileded plug at one end of cable (if you have any shielding braid in cable at all)22:17
kerioyou really like rfc 11something huh22:18
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kerioi heard you like freenode so we disconnected your server so you reconnect to freenode22:23
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DocScrutinizeranyway thanks for that, thought it's been me and my DSL22:24
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keriooh, you run a freenode server?22:24
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DocScrutinizerno, but my server disconnected me :-P22:24
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zogg_mwhy is channel not renamed to maem-r.i.p =)22:50
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Venemokerio, I didn't what is it?22:56
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keriobig EU sc2 tournament with lots of international players22:58
kerio(including koreans)22:58
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kerioday9/d.apollo casted22:58
keriolots of crazy games happened22:59
DocScrutinizerhaha, "down"22:59
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nox-not down, just `overloaded'23:01
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keriowell of course :)23:01
DocScrutinizeryeah, I guess it's paricularly overloaded from German locations23:01
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JaffaGAN900: Link pasted. Not done anything to it yet23:02
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messerting_Is this text over at supposed to be a joke?23:12
messerting_Under Linux it says "Connect directly to an Exchange (Outlook) server, ..."23:12
alteregoI think they mean evolution.23:14
doc|homea lot of people look for exchange server compatibility...23:18
doc|homenot sure if the n900 has it, does it? :/23:18
johnxit does, AFAIK23:18
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nox-i think so too, but be aware that an exchange client also means the admin is `permitted' to remotely wipe your phone...23:21
nox-the exchange admin i mean23:21
doc|homehehe, true23:22
doc|homeI wonder if *that* is supported23:22
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johnxyes, again, AFAIK23:23
nox-doc|home, i think its required by the `standard'23:23
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doc|homeimap ftw23:23
crashanddieremote wipe isn't supported23:23
blackthornecan I change the "user" default name for my account?23:24
crashanddieMfE is in a pretty poor state23:24
crashanddieblackthorne: how so?23:24
crashanddieblackthorne: the user's name? or as in the login?23:24
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blackthorneFor example, when I send SMS in the conversation23:25
blackthorneI see "user" as my contact name23:25
blackthorneor when I log in to IRC, "user" is the default nickname23:25
johnxyou should be able to change your name in the Conversations app, but probably not in IRC23:27
blackthornein the conversations, where?23:35
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khertan_i got a strange error on Maemo with QMessageBox23:41
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khertan_if i call it twice ... the UI seems freeze23:41
khertan_someone already notice this problem ?23:41
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crashanddiekhertan_: what do you mean call it twice?23:45
khertan_two instance of QMessageBox23:45
khertan_that are running at the same time23:45
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crashanddieso, QMessageBox box1; QMessageBox box2; box1.setText("Hello"); box2.setText("How are you?"); box1.exec(); box2.exec(); ?23:46
crashanddiehaven't noticed an issue23:47
khertan_on Maemo it s impossible to validate first or second ...23:47
crashanddieQt 4.6?23:47
khertan_PR1.3 so Qt4.723:47
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crashanddieWhat happens if you kill the first box before calling exec on the second one?23:48
crashanddiekhertan_: { QMessageBox box1; box1.setText("Hello"); box1.exec(); } { QMessageBox box2; box2.setText("How are you?"); box2.exec(); }23:50
alteregoHeh, the app thinks I've travelled .2 mi ..23:50
crashanddie(adding an additional scope layer, forcing the call to the destructor before going further)23:51
khertan_crashanddie, i found the problem ... the second one was called in a QTimer.singleshot ...23:51
khertan_it s funny that on Maemo it s a problem while it s not on a desktop23:52
khertan_crashanddie, a reason why i like more and more pyqt :
korhojoai heard someone complaining that it's cold, so i linked them this:
khertan_i just need to study now how libnotify works23:53
korhojoawhat do you guys think, cold or not?23:53
crashanddiekhertan_: i know, you posted the link earlier23:53
khertan_yeah but the current git version have less problem now :)23:54
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crashanddiekorhojoa: I'm in the south of france, I strapped a digital thermometer to the outside of my vest (on the motorbike). Around midway I checked the temperature: -14C -- even though the outside air temperature is just around -1 or -223:55
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crashanddiekhertan_: no, I meant link to the image23:55
khertan_last year in january all electronics in my car wasn't working when i start it ... 10 minute latter the car's thermometer was blinking saying -30°C23:56
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khertan_i do 20km and it was a real drift challenge23:57
crashanddiekorhojoa: which really freaked me out, considering that wind chill factor usually isn't applicable to inanimate objects23:57
khertan_currently external thermometers say -8°C23:58
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crashanddiekhertan_: I'm happy I'm in not in Paris then :P23:58
crashanddiekhertan_: back wheel of the bike keeps slipping out all the time, and it's barely freezing, can't imagine how bad it would be if we actually dipped under -5 or something23:59
khertan_crashanddie, i'm in the north ... paris have less cold temp23:59
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crashanddieTu parles ch'timi alors?23:59
* ljp notices its only 23C outside...23:59
crashanddieT'es dans le nord?23:59
khertan_crashanddie, moi non mais ma femme oui :)23:59
khertan_crashanddie, ouaip suis en picardie apres tout23:59
crashanddieljp: aussie I take it?23:59

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