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| Venemo_N900 | good night | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=569115&postcount=170 HMMMPF ""Then you have compatibility [of maemo PR1.3] with apps coming for MeeGo."" (texrat) | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: see, nobody kicks you :-D | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a start | 00:10 |
| ZogG | actually it's weird | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh I'm missing ~150 users right ATM | 00:11 |
| ZogG | i was trolling here several times and joked not really appropriate, but never got kicked | 00:11 |
| ZogG | even by crash.... something, where is he btw? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | busy with weekend? | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is what I'm in a minute | 00:12 |
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| nox- | its turkey day weekend in u.s. maybe thats why | 00:12 |
| ZogG | meh, you have nothing better than pleasuring yourself | 00:13 |
| ZogG | master bait lets say it like that =) | 00:13 |
| ZogG | he is german | 00:13 |
| nox- | ah | 00:13 |
| ZogG | and i'm jew | 00:13 |
| * ZogG is scared | 00:13 | |
| nox- | dont be, only very few germans are still nazis... | 00:14 |
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| nox- | :) | 00:14 |
| ZogG | he is one of them | 00:15 |
| ZogG | he talked to MohammadAG to bomb me =) | 00:15 |
| nox- | haha | 00:15 |
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| ZogG | i'm still not kicked or banned | 00:25 |
| ZogG | what i have to do to get kick here | 00:25 |
| ZogG | ifeel likejesus here , with ultimate power and no punishment | 00:25 |
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| * luke-jr__ thinks BME pulls the battery level out of thin air 90% of the time -.- | 01:10 | |
| kerio | s/thin air/its ass/ | 01:11 |
| * luke-jr__ doesn't use such vulgar language | 01:11 | |
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| Termana | good morning | 01:17 |
| kerio | luke-jr__: nothing is vulgar enough when talking about bme | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe. ACK | 01:42 |
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| alterego | god I hope I don't get my gfs illness .. | 01:49 |
| Tuco_maria | omg, what kind of talk is this? | 01:50 |
| alterego | no talk | 01:50 |
| alterego | No ones said anything in ages :P | 01:50 |
| Tuco_maria | so, were u talking to urself? | 01:50 |
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| alterego | Yeah, pretty much :) | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: She's a zombie? | 01:52 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Or has she contracted lycanthropy. | 01:52 |
| alterego | Heh, no think she might have the flu | 01:53 |
| Tuco_maria | are you afraid of one tiny virus? | 01:53 |
| alterego | I just don't want to be ill for a week :) | 01:54 |
| alterego | Got stuff to do and such. | 01:54 |
| Tuco_maria | everibodt does man | 01:54 |
| Tuco_maria | but we cant avoid certain things | 01:55 |
| Tuco_maria | Man, you made me forgot the reason why i came here, i`m losing precious seconds now | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ticktock... ticktock,,, tick... ... tock | 01:56 |
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| Tuco_maria | thats the death clock ticking | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | indead | 01:57 |
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| Tuco_maria | hey, i just remembered | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: What better way could you show you care than by implementing a video->heartrate program, and graphing her illness. | 01:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.filedump.net/dumped/895157eafd9129e23114dee7de030cd31753961290084603.pdf | 01:59 |
| Tuco_maria | that looks way to complicated man | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Tuco_maria: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmjS37zDbPY | 02:02 |
| Tuco_maria | those pink floyd guys were on heavy drugs when they composed this song | 02:03 |
| alterego | Looks fun, but not something I can be arsed with right now. My priority is Columbus :D | 02:03 |
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| Tuco_maria | columbus died hundreds of years ago, you are kinda late to worry about him... | 02:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TICTOC! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgZGtKWU-9g&playnext=1&list=QL | 02:09 |
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| Tuco_maria | this is bad music | 02:13 |
| nox- | pink floyd bad? oh dear... :) | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | he's saying that as he's about to lose SECONDS, oh so precious SECONDS | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | feeling the sun to come up behind him again ;-D | 02:17 |
| Tuco_maria | i prefer justin, thats all | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | who? | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | justin what? | 02:20 |
| Tuco_maria | you know, the one and only justin... | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | Timeberlake? | 02:22 |
| Tuco_maria | nah, this one is overrated | 02:22 |
| crashanddie | Barnes? | 02:22 |
| Tuco_maria | dont even know tge guy | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | Beaver? | 02:23 |
| Tuco_maria | blah, even worse | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | phew | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | Justin Meldal-Johnsen? | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | Justin Gray? | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | Just Albers? | 02:23 |
| Tuco_maria | you are all wrong guys | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | who are you talking about then? | 02:24 |
| Tuco_maria | his second name begins with B | 02:24 |
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| Tuco_maria | ends with R | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | Ah, so it is Barnes | 02:24 |
| crashanddie | or not | 02:24 |
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| Tuco_maria | I cant believe that there are people that dont like him | 02:25 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I don't think this channel cares for your crappy musical tastes, Tuco_maria | 02:25 |
| Tuco_maria | but i dont like pink floyd! | 02:26 |
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| fck | hallo! how to check temp by console? | 02:28 |
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| MohammadAG | temp of what | 02:29 |
| Tuco_maria | halo is good | 02:29 |
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| fck | where is only one senros? | 02:30 |
| fck | of temperature? | 02:30 |
| fck | how i know | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | cat `find /sys -name temp1*` | 02:30 |
| fck | thanks! | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | and it's broken by design | 02:31 |
| fck | ah :) | 02:31 |
| fck | i see -1c | 02:31 |
| fck | celsius | 02:31 |
| fck | hmm, don't find any file :/ | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | check the ` | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's not a ' | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | it's a ` (from the FN + CTRL menu) | 02:34 |
| * fck copy paste | 02:35 | |
| fck | # cat `find /sys -name temp1* | 02:35 |
| fck | > | 02:36 |
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| nox- | you missed the trailing ` | 02:38 |
| nox- | so hit ^c and try again | 02:39 |
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| fck | cat /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp is it correct? | 02:44 |
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| fck | i have powa kernel | 02:44 |
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| fck | also loded battery | 02:44 |
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| fck | wtf.... | 02:44 |
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| fck | ircops... | 02:44 |
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| pupnik | what? | 02:44 |
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| FIQ|n900 | hey DocScrutinizer | 02:44 |
| fck | irc server | 02:45 |
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| fck | net split | 02:45 |
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| FIQ|n900 | you told me to notify it it happened | 02:45 |
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| FIQ|n900 | now it did | 02:45 |
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| FIQ|n900 | i joined ##overflow due to your massjoin limit | 02:45 |
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| FIQ|n900 | FYI | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wazzup? | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | aah | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | k | 02:46 |
| fck | after modprobe everything good | 02:46 |
| FIQ|n900 | Just fine, but you told me to say if it happened | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lotsa netsplits today | 02:46 |
| nox- | .oO(stupid kids ): | 02:46 |
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| myu | uhh which plugins are considered "main plugins" for mbarcode | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: thanks for reporting | 02:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | k | 02:52 |
| FIQ|n900 | np | 02:53 |
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| MohammadAG | sigh | 03:01 |
| MohammadAG | it's 3AM, and I need to start a song at full volume | 03:01 |
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| fck | same here | 03:07 |
| fck | 3am :/ | 03:07 |
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| corecode | jacekowski: you know of anybody working on porting chromium 7 to maemo? | 03:24 |
| jacekowski | nope | 03:24 |
| jacekowski | why 7? | 03:25 |
| corecode | how much effort was the 5 port? | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | 9 is already released | 03:25 |
| corecode | newer, better? | 03:25 |
| corecode | oh? | 03:25 |
| corecode | what? | 03:25 |
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| corecode | fine, 9 then :) | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | Preview release9.0.595.0 (November 25, 2010; 1 day ago) [+/−] | 03:25 |
| corecode | clearly my ubuntu is behind | 03:25 |
| jacekowski | is anybody using it | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | i mean chromium on maemo? | 03:26 |
| corecode | i dunno | 03:26 |
| corecode | how did it work? | 03:26 |
| corecode | microb crashes sometimes | 03:26 |
| corecode | and feels slow | 03:26 |
| jacekowski | chromium pretty much same | 03:27 |
| corecode | oh, sad | 03:27 |
| corecode | :) | 03:27 |
| corecode | if modest wasn't such a maze source code... | 03:27 |
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| jacekowski | what are you trying to do with it? | 03:31 |
| pupnik | anybody like this effect? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGg-uhy6t3E made it a few weeks ago | 03:33 |
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| corecode | jacekowski: i'd like to get sent mail stored on my imap | 03:34 |
| jacekowski | i'm using zimbra myself | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | and doing it over activesync | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | but ability to exclude some folder would be nice | 03:35 |
| jacekowski | hmm, why some youtube videos have html5 player as chosen | 03:36 |
| jacekowski | and some still use flash player | 03:36 |
| corecode | exclude? | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 03:37 |
| corecode | my issue is that if i send a mail, the sent mail stays on my n900 | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | like Spam | 03:37 |
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| corecode | but doesn't get stored on imap | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | yeah, that's correct | 03:37 |
| jacekowski | ish | 03:37 |
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| corecode | i tried tracking down in the code where i could hook that up | 03:39 |
| corecode | but that is a callback maze | 03:39 |
| corecode | C is clearly the wrong language for that | 03:39 |
| MohammadAG | error: pathspec 'master' did not match any file(s) known to git. <- wtf does this mean | 03:39 |
| jacekowski | C is the best language for that | 03:40 |
| jacekowski | it's programmer that is a problem | 03:40 |
| jacekowski | not language | 03:40 |
| corecode | well i don't agree on the language | 03:41 |
| ds3 | MohammadAG: what repo? | 03:41 |
| corecode | but i agree that a good programmer can make it look better than a bad programmer | 03:41 |
| corecode | MohammadAG: you used the refspec master where it expected a pathspec | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | nevermind | 03:41 |
| MohammadAG | fixed it | 03:41 |
| pupnik | Pretty awesome. get a N900 with maemo, and you can run android and WebOS stuff too if you want | 03:43 |
| pupnik | just gotta get that translation layer | 03:43 |
| corecode | there is an android translation layer? | 03:44 |
| pupnik | well. yes, in the future :) | 03:44 |
| corecode | how far? | 03:44 |
| pupnik | dunno let's search | 03:45 |
| pupnik | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/canonical-developers-aim-to-make-android-apps-run-on-ubuntu.ars | 03:45 |
| corecode | 2009 eh | 03:46 |
| pupnik | some cool people work there | 03:48 |
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| corecode | in the past? | 03:49 |
| pupnik | well they have to make money to eat too | 03:50 |
| pupnik | dunno much about that project | 03:50 |
| corecode | they make money in the past? | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: \o/ | 03:52 |
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| pupnik | "Growing concerns about Android's lack of transparency and non-inclusive governance model, diverging kernel, insular userspace stack, and general lack of conduciveness to running existing Linux software are creating an incentive for hardware companies to evaluate other options" | 03:53 |
| pupnik | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/11/meego-conference-momentum-intact-despite-lack-of-hardware.ars | 03:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | andoid apps on my ubuntu desktop - a dream comes true (nightmares are dreams too, eren't they?) | 03:53 |
| pupnik | hahah | 03:53 |
| pupnik | nothing stopping anyone from making first-class meego/qt apps of course. i just like computers to be _universal_ gonkulators | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | gonkulator? is this curable with peniciline? | 03:56 |
| ds3 | how dead is the android emulator for meego? | 03:56 |
| corecode | is there one? | 03:56 |
| ds3 | heard it is still born | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, I was pretty impressed when I managed to move that feckin route66 app that came with samsung Omnia winmoob over to M800 winmoob, though aiui they had not exactly same CPU | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas it was dongled to the IMEI :-P | 03:59 |
| ds3 | apps should not have access to things like IMEI, the DN, or any other personal info | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | apps should not be written in dullfuck | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | err dalvik | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | other than that, how'd you design a dialer app when it's not able to react properly to *#06# | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 04:03 |
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| jacekowski | you don't | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ds3: sounds like a rather silly premise | 04:03 |
| jacekowski | corecode: it looks like new chrome can be easily made to work | 04:04 |
| corecode | nice | 04:05 |
| corecode | you think there will be any benefit? | 04:05 |
| jacekowski | dunno | 04:05 |
| pupnik | there has to be a better crossplatform way to do games | 04:05 |
| pupnik | maybe webgl | 04:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.~ | 04:05 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: well you don't need a fancy widget toolkit ... the old principle of "just give em a framebuffer" still kind of works | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | was just wondering if that's related to IMEI, dullvik, or both | 04:07 |
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| pupnik | i don't even want to look at that stuff actually | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite obviously you usually won't code games with Qt widgets, or X layered windows. So probably a canvas is just fine, plus a basic generic HID lib | 04:09 |
| jacekowski | opengl is quite portable | 04:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I consider opengl your palette and brushes for the canvas | 04:11 |
| auenfx4 | yay, finally got around to installing PR1.3 | 04:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errr, 5h ago I knew exactly why I'm happy I didn't yet | 04:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I can't recall | 04:12 |
| auenfx4 | your memory is horrible? | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | occasional stack overflows may happen | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | though this is probably due to garbage collection | 04:13 |
| auenfx4 | ahh, thats the icon thats missing from the status area | 04:15 |
| BCMM | why oh why is it not possible to ring the stylus? | 04:15 |
| auenfx4 | wtf would PR1.3 change my bluetooth to be off? | 04:15 |
| BCMM | because it's off by default? | 04:16 |
| auenfx4 | it was on before the update was installed | 04:16 |
| jacekowski | then switch it on | 04:16 |
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| BCMM | and now it has reverted to defaults. turn it back on. | 04:16 |
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| auenfx4 | wonder what the reason for turning it off as part of the update | 04:18 |
| auenfx4 | iirc, PR1.2 update didnt | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmpff | 04:19 |
| jacekowski | it's just for lulz | 04:19 |
| ds3 | DocScrutinizer: it is a matter of trust and app author have continously violated that trust | 04:19 |
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| jacekowski | i hope i've put enough antifreeze in my car | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, back to hydraulics then | 04:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I lost my trust into dentists. They all should get snatched away all their drill things, and use just wax and magic spells | 04:22 |
| pupnik | hahah | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably best they are forbidden to approach my teeth closer than 100 yards | 04:24 |
| BCMM | nothing wrong with drills. it's the pliers you gotta watch out for. | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I knew you'd say that - the man that wants to ring stylii :-P | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds like genital piercing | 04:26 |
| BCMM | what does? | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-P | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | <BCMM> why oh why is it not possible to ring the stylus? | 04:27 |
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| BCMM | it turned up | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | the ring? | 04:27 |
| BCMM | the n900 stylus | 04:27 |
| BCMM | usually, lost tech can be made to beep | 04:28 |
| BCMM | somehow | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact the stylus has enough room to inplant a passive transponder | 04:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually build from 2 pieces of wire and a tunnel diaode | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | diode | 04:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | they atached those things to butterflies and followed them in almost 100m distance | 04:30 |
| Macer | wow | 04:30 |
| BCMM | basically, something a bit like rfid? | 04:30 |
| Macer | G2 is a pretty nice phone | 04:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep, very basic rfid | 04:31 |
| BCMM | now, how would you then use the n900 to detect it? | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, difficult | 04:31 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 04:31 |
| BCMM | can it measure bluetooth or wifi signal strength even if the signal is meaningless? | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, better pierce it and pull a ring thru the hole :-P | 04:32 |
| blackthorne | trying to make the 2G/3G switch applet to work | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: nope | 04:32 |
| blackthorne | after installing other applets it stopped working | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | blackthorne: where's the problem? | 04:32 |
| blackthorne | tried to reinstall but it doesnt work anymore | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 04:33 |
| blackthorne | its really important to me that applet | 04:33 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: can it recieve and broadcast fm at the same time? | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yes | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that'd actually be a possibility, if only the TX was 1E9 strnger | 04:34 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: well, apart from the way it would drown the transponder out, you could do something like that | 04:34 |
| BCMM | haha | 04:34 |
| BCMM | i'm a physics student; 10^9 is a smallish factor to be out by | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | we'd be in a sane watt range then | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | not nW | 04:36 |
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| johnx | hallo all | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | hallo one | 04:37 |
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| * DocScrutinizer stares at the sylus, at the device, notices microphone being very close to the stylus' mini empty volume in 'head', and ponders... | 04:40 | |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if a sweep freq response plot from builtin speaker to builtin mic would differ significantly with vs without stylus inserted | 04:41 | |
| BCMM | heh | 04:42 |
| johnx | use it as a sensor and detect when the user has the stylus out? | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you could build a hollow stylus, with that apperture in head, it would kinda act lke an organ pipe and cause a noticable resonance at a certain frequency | 04:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: that's been the work thesis | 04:45 |
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| johnx | mainly useful for announching: "User: you have just lost your stylus somewhere!" | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas I think it could get unbearably annoying to have these audio sweeps every few seconds :-P | 04:46 |
| BCMM | you could one-up the stupidness of fm transmission | 04:47 |
| BCMM | "your app doesn't work with headphones plugged in? well, mine requires that you remove the stylus!" | 04:47 |
| johnx | the fm transmitter is one of my favorite features :) | 04:47 |
| johnx | aaah, I see what you mean | 04:48 |
| johnx | interesting, even when overridden the FM transmitter really doesn't work all that well while charging | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then - otoh - the stylus is creating a quite unique sound and acceleration pattern on both pull-out and insert | 04:48 |
| BCMM | actually, the one good use would be activating the cursor in microb when the stylus is out | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, what's wrong with an 'alarm' when stylus isn't in place when screen blanks? | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or walking /stow-away is detected | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whatever | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | this request has been rised several times now | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | "don't forget your stylus" remnder app | 04:52 |
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| mikki-kun | can somebody tell me the dbus command which get a certain window to the foreground in maemo? (if there is one) | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've been even asked to look for good places to retrofit a switch detecting the stylus, when I did the "N900 explosion" | 04:53 |
| BCMM | explosion? | 04:53 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: there is one for modified hildon desktop, not sure about stock | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | call it slaughter | 04:54 |
| johnx | mikki-kun, I think you can tell a specific application to raise maybe. why not do this: run the app you want, put it in the background, start dbus-monitor, then open the app menu and tap the app you want to raise to the forground. at some point in there you'll probably see the dbus message needed | 04:54 |
| mikki-kun | johnx: how do i monitor dbus events? and besides, i am way too lazy to stand up now, go two meters to my bed and then pick it up | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | mdbus2 -l | 04:55 |
| mikki-kun | i am currently speaking via skype with a buddy and that window isn't raised and it rings every single second i get a message or send a message | 04:55 |
| johnx | mikki-kun, dbus-monitor. and I'm too lazy to do your googling for you | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | or mdbus | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mdbus2 actually | 04:56 |
| mikki-kun | hm, is there already a dbus monitor installed? | 04:56 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, does mdbus2 do a better job than dbus-monitor? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends on your preferences | 04:56 |
| johnx | mikki-kun, probably not | 04:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dbus-monitor is installed by default afaik | 04:57 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mdbus2 is not | 04:57 |
| mikki-kun | if i input md and then double-tap as root the only thing i might thing of a dbus-related software is mdu | 04:57 |
| mikki-kun | BCMM: thanks :) | 04:57 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: if it's a feature of that, it probably isn't available in the stock version | 04:57 |
| BCMM | search page for activate_window | 04:58 |
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| mikki-kun | i see it in the bottom and thanks for it, i didn't knew so far of ctrl+shift+n and +h | 05:00 |
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| BCMM | mikki-kun: +h has never worked here, eith stock or modified hildon-desktop | 05:02 |
| mikki-kun | ohhhh, lol? | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's it supposed to do? does it need a gconf activation? | 05:03 |
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| BCMM | it's supposed to take you to the home screen | 05:05 |
| BCMM | which is a useful thing | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | but it doesn't do as it seems | 05:05 |
| mikki-kun | "gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time -t int 0" <--- what is wrong with this command? | 05:06 |
| mikki-kun | is does basically nothing when executed as user | 05:07 |
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| mikki-kun | sudo is being silent as a dead person as well | 05:08 |
| johnx | mikki-kun, what do you think it's supposed to do? | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | what should it say anyway? | 05:08 |
| johnx | it shouldn't print anything unless there's an error if it's a "good" Unix command | 05:09 |
| GAN900 | Work! | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: mikki-kun: you're really informed about how to configure mhd ? | 05:09 |
| BCMM | ? | 05:10 |
| BCMM | mikki-kun: is that the command it says needs to be run with the task manager open? | 05:10 |
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| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: i didn't claim to be well-informed; i don't quite understand | 05:11 |
| myu | hey how do I completly uninstall imhere | 05:11 |
| myu | I need to change the email address and I have no idea how to change that | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/preset_shift_ctrl | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | If the value of this key is true, ctrl-shift-x opens an xterm, ctrl-shift-p saves an image of the screen, ctrl-shift-n toggles composite mode and ctrl-shift-h jumps to home screen. | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html | 05:12 |
| mikki-kun | johnx: well, there are actually some commands in unix which are not following this rule | 05:12 |
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| mikki-kun | and i know commands are not supposed to print out anything unless told to | 05:12 |
| johnx | mikki-kun, right, so you set a key in gconf. looks like you might have been trying to turn off a keybinding or something? | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | A few gconf keys affect the operation of hildon-desktop (change value of keys with the terminal command gconftool-2 -s <key> -t <key type> <new value>, where <key type> is int for integer values and bool for true/false values): | 05:13 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: if that command was wrong, may you tell me in which sense it is wrong? i am not quiet getting the idea behind dbus so far | 05:13 |
| mikki-kun | johnx: i was trying to switch to a window via command prompt | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: what has gconftool to do with dbus? | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: you're setting the key /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time to integer value 0 | 05:14 |
| johnx | gconf holds configuration stuff. Based just on the name of the "thing" you set in gconf, it looks like you might have disabled some kybinding or something | 05:14 |
| johnx | to raise a window, the command will probably be dbus-send | 05:15 |
| mikki-kun | "A d-bus signal activate_window with an int parameter n, for activating the nth window (in the order displayed in the task navigator) - only call this when task navigator is displayed or activating a full screen window. " <--- i thought this might send the appropriate dbus-signal | 05:15 |
| johnx | but the command to raise a window will be different depending on what app it is, and I'm not doing your googling for you | 05:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: read the page about mhd I gave the link above | 05:16 |
| myu | no one here usese imhere? | 05:17 |
| myu | **uses | 05:17 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: *reading* | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously a `gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/preset_shift_ctrl -t bool true` should activate ctrl-shift-h in mhd | 05:18 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: the link seems to take too long to response... | 05:19 |
| mikki-kun | can't connect there | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ehh | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | wfm | 05:19 |
| mikki-kun | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html <--- doesn't load | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | load in 0.3s here | 05:20 |
| mikki-kun | ping dies in an instant on it | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares about ping? | 05:21 |
| mikki-kun | i just use it to check whether something is online or not?! | 05:21 |
| mikki-kun | and it is quite efficient and doesn't need me to start my browser and thinking of "is it just rendering issues or what is wrong?" | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey fine, so if ping "dies in an instant" that means it responds to ICMP ping with NAK or sth :-P | 05:22 |
| johnx | a huuuge number of websites don't answer ICMP echo requests (aka ping) | 05:22 |
| johnx | better to telnet to 80 | 05:22 |
| mikki-kun | still with xulrunner it does not load | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, wtf is xulrunner? can't you use a BROWSER? | 05:23 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: firefox _uses_ xulrunner | 05:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 05:24 |
| johnx | times out for me too, FWIW | 05:24 |
| mikki-kun | and i guess conkeror wouldn't ring a bell for you, am i right? | 05:24 |
| mikki-kun | heavily tweaked version firefox to be used emacs-like | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | >>It's not just you! http://my.arava.co.il looks down from here.<< | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html | 05:26 |
| mikki-kun | so the link you posted seems really down | 05:26 |
| johnx | which is funny. that site just told me it was just me :) | 05:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/100926/ | 05:27 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: maybe clear your browsing cache and then try again | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/100927/ | 05:28 |
| mikki-kun | can't connect, will show you what i get in a moment | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/100928/ | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: I can't help you, no matter what you get | 05:30 |
| mikki-kun | http://pastebin.com/G6dsSAA2 | 05:30 |
| mikki-kun | just to prove i cannot access the link you posted | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest a traceroute to http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html | 05:31 |
| mikki-kun | uhhhh, that seems like the same page BCMM showed me | 05:32 |
| BCMM | no, that's the first link on the page i showed you :) | 05:32 |
| BCMM | also, it's down from here | 05:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-27 20:37:51] <DocScrutinizer> WTF is up with internets ? | 05:34 |
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| mikki-kun | BCMM: take a look at the commands which seem to be exactly the same ones as on the page you posted | 05:34 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: tell us, you are the one who can reach where nobody else can | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:H848v8EfF_UJ:my.svgalib.org/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html+"modified-hildon-desktop+is+a+package+of+a+modified+version+of+hildon+desktop+with+enhanced+functionality."&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de | 05:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~debian mikki-kun | 05:36 |
| * infobot tells mikki-kun to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 05:36 | |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop | 05:36 |
| mikki-kun | do they look the same? | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm not really interested to do a diff between matan's original doc page and the wiki | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: look at google cache as given by link above | 05:37 |
| mikki-kun | i so damn did, and where does it state the dbus-send stuff?! | 05:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | under "Non-configurable changes:" | 05:39 |
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| mikki-kun | so yeah, i am now there, would you please kindly explain what i did wrong with gconftool? | 05:41 |
| mikki-kun | i still can't get past that as i assume it can be done with gconftool | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | gconftool is to set configurations, and you did nothing wrong, except you seem to have used a command that isn't supposed to do what you intended to do | 05:43 |
| mikki-kun | uhhhh... | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-28 04:14:45] <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: you're setting the key /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/activate_window_time to integer value 0 | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-28 04:14:12] <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: what has gconftool to do with dbus? | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you meant dbus-send foo bar boo | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe not | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea what you planned to do | 05:45 |
| mikki-kun | i just want to switch windows via xterm | 05:45 |
| mikki-kun | after ssh'ing into n900 from my main pc | 05:45 |
| mikki-kun | *my | 05:45 |
| mikki-kun | man, i seem to miss a couple of words in my sentences today | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's dbus-send then | 05:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | look at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS to get an idea | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas matan's page has no proper instructions on the details of dbus msg/signal you need to send | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither an example | 05:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, wiki page neither (seems it's a copy of matan's site) | 05:48 |
| mikki-kun | hm, with dbus-send, how would i implement using "int -1"? | 05:50 |
| mikki-kun | i can't seem to understand it | 05:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-task-switcher looks almost as what you need. just modify name of signal and parameters | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess | 05:51 |
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| mikki-kun | it brings me back to the task switcher, but looking at matans usage i need to also call and 'int' of value 'n' | 05:51 |
| mikki-kun | "A d-bus signal activate_window_time with an int parameter n, for activating the nth window (in order of last activation time). 0 is oldest. Use negative numbers for reverse order: -1 is newest. Same warning as in previous signal." | 05:52 |
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| mikki-kun | i tried now combinations of "int:-1" "-1" "integer:-1" | 05:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uint32: | 05:53 |
| mikki-kun | but it tells me unknown type: "int" | 05:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe int32: | 05:53 |
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| mikki-kun | thanks | 05:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | did it work? | 06:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | also, was that what you actually needed? Seems a bit unspecified to me, regarding "least recently used / oldest window" etc | 06:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui if you want to get a particular app to front, it usually should work to try and start that app via http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-launch-application, as this should switch a screen of an already running app to foeground | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | - mere speculation, not tested here | 06:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: ^^^ | 06:09 |
| Macer | damn G2 is nice :) i love the qwerty | 06:10 |
| Macer | glad htc kept it | 06:10 |
| mikki-kun | i tried some dbus commands to get familiar with them, but with the switching it does't seem to work ;/ | 06:10 |
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| mikki-kun | i gotta look up the name of the apps i guess | 06:11 |
| mikki-kun | kind of not really easy then this use of the commands i gotta remind me of the command | 06:11 |
| Macer | is there some sort of patch to get the oskb in maemo to auto close and hit enter when you press ener? | 06:11 |
| Macer | enter on it | 06:11 |
| Macer | using it for IM and txting sucks | 06:12 |
| Macer | you have to type then close it by pressing above it.. then hit send | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm that's kinda expected as the vkbd is supposed to pop up whenever ther focus/cursor is set to a text input field. So if it would close, there's not a natural way to open it up again. This doesn't explain though why the IM app doesn't take <enter> for sending the typed text | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, in xterm vkbd works like you want it to | 06:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I realized even on desktop irc client I can c&p returns from clipboard. So seems these text input boxes handle real <enter> key press different to pasting a 0x0A | 06:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | e.g for xchat that's pretty obvious as yu can change key mappings in presets | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably reading raw keycodes from keyboard is a bit different to entering text via a vkbd | 06:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | vkbd obviously works kinda like a clipboard buffer | 06:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and pasting a CR or NL char to a text input box is different for that text input box to actually hitting the <enter> hw-key | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's just call it a bug | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | and argue about which component to file it against | 06:27 |
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| Macer | yeah | 06:54 |
| Macer | it is a pretty irritating thing | 06:54 |
| Macer | makes using the vkb useless | 06:54 |
| Macer | as it is faster to just flip open the hw kb | 06:54 |
| Macer | insead of taking the extra steps | 06:54 |
| Macer | enter for im should close and send | 06:55 |
| Macer | as well as txts | 06:55 |
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| Macer | but filing a bug is probably useless nowadays :) | 06:55 |
| Macer | plus... judging by how bug requests were handled before.. even if maemo were still oficially supported... filing a bug would be useless | 06:56 |
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| Termana | Macer, the virtual keyboard is useless when you have the hardware keyboard anyway IMO | 07:41 |
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| lolloo | when I make calls with skype, it's not clear... is there something wrong with pulseaudio on my phone? | 08:18 |
| lolloo | how can I fix it pulseaudio? is there a way to make skype calls clearer? | 08:19 |
| lolloo | maybe there a program runing on the background interfering with pulseaudio or skype? | 08:20 |
| lolloo | the other end of the call hears me good, but I dont! | 08:20 |
| lolloo | does OC makes pulseaudio sluggishwhen calling with skype? | 08:21 |
| lolloo | because it is! | 08:21 |
| lolloo | any help appreciated. | 08:21 |
| lolloo | there is like a hiccups when calling with skype. | 08:22 |
| myu | uh where are themes stored? | 08:27 |
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| pupnik | lolloo: skype calls worked clearly for me on n900 / pr 1.2 | 08:27 |
| pupnik | /usr/share/themes? myu ? | 08:28 |
| lolloo | mine is pr1.3 | 08:30 |
| myu | ah thanks | 08:32 |
| myu | I needed the bg for one | 08:32 |
| myu | but it wasnt showing in the editor | 08:32 |
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| lolloo | I don't like skype performance | 08:39 |
| lolloo | maybe because of custom audio I installed for N900 | 08:40 |
| lolloo | ? | 08:40 |
| lolloo | well, I will back after 1 hour | 08:40 |
| lolloo | see you then! | 08:40 |
| johnx | or because of the network? or because of the person you were talking to? or because of something running in the background? | 08:40 |
| pupnik | i think i have become psychologically dependent on my electric heater | 08:45 |
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| johnx | (We've replaced pupnik's electric heater with a little orange light inside a plastic case. Let's see if he notices...) | 08:46 |
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| Macer | oh wtf | 08:52 |
| Macer | my cam won't start | 08:52 |
| Macer | says operation failed | 08:53 |
| Macer | what kind of silly shit is that? | 08:53 |
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| Macer | blessn900 doesnt start either | 08:53 |
| Macer | wtf | 08:53 |
| johnx | I had my cam get into a weird state once. I rebooted, it was fixed and it never happened again | 08:54 |
| wmarone | sure nothing's holding the camera or LED? | 08:54 |
| Macer | hm. i will try that in a min | 08:54 |
| Macer | no | 08:54 |
| Macer | cam led is fine. i am going to try to reboot | 08:55 |
| johnx | lsof | grep '/dev/video' | 08:55 |
| Macer | it tries to start then closes with operation failed | 08:55 |
| Macer | johnx: it is just sitting there | 08:56 |
| johnx | give it time | 08:56 |
| Macer | nothing | 08:56 |
| * johnx shrugs | 08:56 | |
| Macer | maybe because i installed the advanced kernel? | 08:56 |
| johnx | reboot :) | 08:57 |
| johnx | well, a reboot is probably the cheapest thing to try (in terms of time) | 08:57 |
| Macer | Nokia-N900:~# lsof | grep '/dev/video' | 08:57 |
| Macer | Nokia-N900:~# | 08:57 |
| Macer | ok | 08:57 |
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| Macer | damn | 09:14 |
| Macer | rebooting didn't help :( | 09:14 |
| Macer | i think it is the adv kernel | 09:14 |
| Macer | lame | 09:14 |
| Macer | hm | 09:15 |
| johnx | but aren't you glad to know that you couldn't have just fixed it by rebooting? :) | 09:16 |
| Macer | haha | 09:16 |
| Macer | i suppose | 09:16 |
| Macer | i kind of wish it did haha | 09:16 |
| Macer | now i have to find out what is wrong | 09:16 |
| Macer | i don't have a dev/video | 09:16 |
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| johnx | well, maybe I was wrong about what it was supposed to be called :> | 09:16 |
| johnx | what about video0 and video1? | 09:17 |
| TermanaDesire | I got a candle that sings happy birthday to me :p | 09:17 |
| Macer | no dev/video anything | 09:17 |
| johnx | that is /dev/video0 (just to be sure) | 09:17 |
| Macer | i am trying kernel-power-deinstall | 09:17 |
| Macer | hopefully that will do the trick | 09:18 |
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| Macer | please wait while restoring nokia kernel | 09:19 |
| Macer | wtf :) | 09:19 |
| Macer | i feel a reflash coming on | 09:19 |
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| Macer | ok | 09:23 |
| Macer | deinstalling the "advanced" kernel did the trick | 09:24 |
| johnx | nice | 09:24 |
| Macer | guess the power kernel isnt that powerful lol | 09:24 |
| johnx | with great power comes ... problems taking photos? | 09:24 |
| Macer | yup | 09:24 |
| Macer | :) videos too | 09:24 |
| Macer | you never know when you need to record police brutalizing someone half to death | 09:25 |
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| jd | i had to update to power46 to fix the camera problems | 09:26 |
| jd | on 42 to 45 it wa broken | 09:26 |
| jd | was | 09:26 |
| jd | it works on either 40 or 46 | 09:27 |
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| fureddo | Anyone knows how to set the screenshot of an application that is available in extras-repo? | 09:34 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:42 |
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| MrPPS | DocScrutinizer: i noticed yesterday you gave someone a few links about loading a rescue system temporarily on the n900 - would you mind reposting them for me? | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 09:54 |
| MrPPS | thanks DocScrutinizer | 09:54 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi guys | 11:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ping | 11:10 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: ping | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 11:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi Doc :) | 11:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | one hand 4 fingers between paper | 11:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | there is something I wanted to ask | 11:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | ouch | 11:13 |
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| Venemo_N900 | why is it that we have to recompile drivers for every version of the Linux kernel? | 11:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | good question | 11:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | as far as I know, this is why we can't just upgrade the kernel in Maemo to the latest, is that correct? | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | shit!!! | 11:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | what? | 11:15 |
| RST38h | Venemo: You should direct your question to Linus Torvalds himself | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | LP5523 isn't complete | 11:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't write arbitrary registers from a LED pattern progarm | 11:16 |
| RST38h | And the right way to ask it would be "Why, after all this time, we still do not have binary driver interface in Linux kernel?" | 11:16 |
| RST38h | BTW, I can save you and Linus time and answer that question | 11:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: okay, go on :) | 11:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so with the crippled lp5523 driver, I have to opportunities: Use I2Cset to correctly set up some of the registers, or hack the driver - or forget the project | 11:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, what is LP5523? | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | the LED controller chip | 11:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | and what's wrong with it? | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | doing the patterns | 11:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I planned to create a 'pattern' that signals the battery voltage, without any CPU support | 11:18 |
| RST38h | Venemo: "Because we are OSS-crazed zealots who want to force every hw company into releasing the source code for their drivers" | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | for that I have to switch LP5523's ADC from LED-test to VBAT mode | 11:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | afaik there is a lib for using the LED, isn't there? | 11:19 |
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| Venemo_N900 | RST38h: yeah, I guessed so | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | (that's been the 4 fingers in the datasheet :-P) | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: forget it | 11:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no lib, and I don't want to use a lib | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't even want to use a CPU :-D | 11:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | oh, great :) | 11:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the three engines of LP5523 have decrement&branch-if-not-zero, jump-if-not-zero, add, sub, and load commands | 11:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas only on 3 "variables" and not on all the 60some registers of the chip | 11:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: is this the fault of just another poorly written driver? | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | so the only way to set e.g. the register that selects analog souce of ADC, is via I2C bus | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, this is hardware | 11:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | the poorly written driver has no option for me to set this register via I2C | 11:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | great | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it's the lp5523 driver that is in full control of the I2C bus interface of the chip | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it has no raw write to arbitrary register addr in /sys | 11:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and as the driver occupies the I2C bus, I can't use I2Cset to do it directly | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I can't unload the driver without stopping mce :-S | 11:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | ouch | 11:27 |
| Venemo_N900 | how do all the other apps use the LED then? | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | well this lp5523 driver is really one stinking pile of sh*t | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | via mce? | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | who's using LEDs? | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got some brightness sysnodes that work relatively flawless | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | supported by driver | 11:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | the notification thingies use the LEDs for one | 11:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce | 11:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | and using it through mce is what you wanna avoid, right? | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't set the register via mce | 11:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't even set it via lp5523 driver | 11:30 |
| Venemo_N900 | :( | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I *could* set it via I2Cbus driver, using I2Cset cmdline tool. Alas this doesn't work as LP5523 driver has 'opened' the I2Cbus, so I2Cset says "resource busy" | 11:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | can't you temporarily unload the driver? | 11:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | with modprobe or something? | 11:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | only when I stop mce | 11:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise mce goes bonkers | 11:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | 'modprobe -r leds-lp5523' | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and odds are when I _modprobe_ load the lp5523 driver later, it resets the chip - MUHAHAHA | 11:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | nothing bad has happened | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | wait a bit | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | mce can segfault | 11:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | it didn't | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | we seen that with fcam | 11:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | or I didn't notice | 11:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | I could also reload it now | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it doesn't handle LEDs anymore | 11:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and that would reset my register :-P | 11:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | are you sure? | 11:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer pissed | 11:36 | |
| DocScrutinizer | quite | 11:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | well then, is the driver OSS? | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | lp5523 driver will send a reset to the chip, if it's not *complete* crap | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 11:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | surprisingly | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | might add a /raw sysnode | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | to read and write arbitrary registers of LP5523 chip | 11:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I was about to code a little fancy, for the chip. Not to patch a borked fubar driver | 11:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | once more Nokia implemented the bare minimum of what they needed to make exactly their limited tiny usecase work | 11:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | abysmal system architecture | 11:40 |
| Firzen | hello | 11:40 |
| Firzen | is there anybody who can advice me with Maemo SDK installation? | 11:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | and then such botch goes upstream mainline and sets standards | 11:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels sick | 11:41 | |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: what is it that you'd like to know? | 11:41 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: hi, I just need install this sw by any way.. I've tried virtual image and it failed, then I've tried Nokia install scripts on my Debian linux and it failed too | 11:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: when one is doing something only for the sole reason he's paid, and he doesn't like his job, this is a typical outcome | 11:43 |
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| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: well it should work on Debian flawlessly | 11:43 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: I posted my problem here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=871939#post871939 | 11:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, that's what it looks like | 11:43 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: (this is problem with virtual image) | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch, VM | 11:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | those are completely bitrotten aiui | 11:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: I simply installed with the script on tablets-dev | 11:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: it even worked on 64bit Fedora for me | 11:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | should probably work in a VM as well | 11:45 |
| Firzen | yes it should but it doesn't work | 11:45 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: witch script you used? | 11:46 |
| Firzen | *scripts | 11:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Library/Tools_and_downloads/Other/Maemo/ | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: click on "download the maemo 5 sdk" | 11:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: afaik it's a python script and will install everyhing you need | 11:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: I simply ran the script on my regular Fedora installation, and after setting vdso32 in grub.conf and disabling selinux it worked | 11:48 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: these script I tried.. | 11:49 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: I too disabled it | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: if you have a 64-bit installation, then setting vdso32 is necessary | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: since there is no selinux on debian you don't need to bothr | 11:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | bother* | 11:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (lp5523) it's a pity - the guy at Nokia who designed the chip sent me a few mails chatting with me about the LP5523. I could feel how proud he was about that shiny little gem, and right he was. And then I heard about his letdown about nobody (except me he said) really realized how great that chip is and how much it simplifies production test and everything | 11:50 |
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| Firzen | Venemo_N900: hmm and witch installer I should download? | 11:51 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: there are three versions | 11:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | this guy for sure did his job for the fun of it, not just to get the money | 11:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | Firzen: I used the GUI installer | 11:52 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: ok | 11:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but not the guy who then wrote the crappy driver | 11:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 11:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | this is how bad employees can screw good ones | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you don't even know if it was the guy who wrote the driver. He might have a reqirements spec and that is the one to follow. Some system architect unknown might have decided "we don't need that" (damn how often I heard this in industry) | 11:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | yeah, right | 11:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | and if this was a decision made to shorten the release schedule, then he was right | 11:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not if a 3 hours more of thinking would at least have kept the spec of the API extensible | 11:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | then anybody (e.g. me) could blow up the driver to full brilliance at any later point in time. Not now though | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | the API is fubar | 11:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | basically | 11:59 |
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| Firzen | Venemo_N900: lol, so here is small problem | 11:59 |
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| Firzen | Venemo_N900: I am unable to execute this script | 11:59 |
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| Firzen | Venemo_N900: and It writes no error message | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe I find a way to augment it without breaking backward compatibility | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if I do, it's not the API that's fubar, it's just the missing spec that's a PITA - as usual | 12:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 12:02 |
| infobot | ~pong | 12:02 |
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| Firzen | Venemo_N900: firzen@hope:~/Desktop$ chmod +x maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py firzen@hope:~/Desktop$ kdesu ./maemo-sdk-install-wizard_5.0.py kdesu(3284) KDESu::PtyProcess::exec: [ ../../kdesu/process.cpp : 295 ] Running "/bin/su" kdesu(3284) KDESu::SuProcess::ConverseSU: [ ../../kdesu/su.cpp : 259 ] Read line "Password: " kdesu(3284) KDESu::PtyProcess::exec: [ ../../kdesu/process.cpp : 295 ] Run | 12:03 |
| Firzen | Venemo_N900: and absolutely nothing happened :-/ | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | please use patebin | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pastebin even | 12:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g.: blablobfoo --verbose | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 | 12:05 |
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| Firzen | i will try it in Ubuntu 10.04 | 12:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | WAAAH infobot :.( | 12:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tzzz | 12:09 |
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| kerio | that paste.dyndns.org is awesoem | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 12:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 12:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | since pastebinit borked when they all changed their API, I'm using this most of the time | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | got netcat anyway | 12:13 |
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| kerio | you mean nc | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | depends | 12:14 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi again | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | here it's netcat | 12:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | I hate when freenode randomly disconnects me | 12:14 |
| kerio | anyway, sucks that there's no way to specify a syntax colouring | 12:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you're not alone | 12:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | kerio, syntax colouring in where? | 12:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | pastebin | 12:15 |
| kerio | paste.dyndns.org 1234 | 12:15 |
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| Venemo_N900 | oh, yes | 12:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | agreed | 12:16 |
| kerio | http://paste.debian.net/100933 lol | 12:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, loks good, no? | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks* | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it is | 12:17 |
| kerio | it's the headers that firefox generated when i went to http://paste.dyndns.org:1234/ | 12:17 |
| kerio | :D | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 12:18 |
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| kerio | i still prefer paste.pocoo.org | 12:19 |
| kerio | lodgeit is awsum | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, konqui opened a temporary textedit, with save and all, but no way to get the paste.debian.org URL :-P | 12:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | fpaste is nice too | 12:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | but the main feature of that is the command line utility | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, I'm off now. Siiting in a corner and pouting about lp5523 driver, and the one missing register load that spoiled my fancy plan | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 12:23 |
| kerio | btw, http://pastie.org/1329639 sieve of eratosthenes | 12:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: have a nice time | 12:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm leaving too | 12:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | need to get something to eat | 12:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | bb | 12:25 |
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| MohammadAG | what's gnome-pty-helper? | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | it prevents me from opening xterm till I kill it | 12:33 |
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| lolloo | MohammadAG is it gnome-pty-helper is a program that setuid application used to open a pseudo-terminal, set the permissions, ownership and record user login information | 12:50 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | lol! | 12:56 |
| Noobmonkey_ | MohammadAG, just trying to read fm radio status in qt mobility, and it turned on bluetooth instead! genius | 12:57 |
| alterego | Hah | 13:00 |
| lcuk | Noobmonkey_, that sounds special | 13:00 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lcuk, My device is special :P | 13:01 |
| Noobmonkey_ | just tried it again, and it played a noise then stopped | 13:01 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lmfao | 13:01 |
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| lolloo | guys, whats the program name that let me access my xterminal from my pc to N900? | 13:01 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | open ssh server? | 13:02 |
| Noobmonkey_ | vnc server? | 13:02 |
| lolloo | not vnc for sure | 13:02 |
| Noobmonkey_ | ssh works :) | 13:02 |
| lolloo | but let me check ssh server. cool | 13:02 |
| lolloo | awesome | 13:02 |
| lcuk | lolloo, if you mean using ssh, then in windows, running Putty is kinda the norm from windows side | 13:03 |
| lolloo | yes thats it!!! PUTTY! | 13:03 |
| * alterego wonders whether people would be interested in the actual satellite signal strength values being displayed over his strength bars. | 13:03 | |
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| lcuk | no alterego | 13:03 |
| lcuk | i would be interested to know relative speed of the sat vs me | 13:03 |
| alterego | Heh, why? | 13:04 |
| lcuk | so that i can safely dock with one next time I am in LEO | 13:04 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:05 |
| lcuk | does gps work from the ISS? | 13:05 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lol | 13:05 |
| alterego | Yes | 13:06 |
| Noobmonkey_ | how really odd!! | 13:06 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lcuk, the fmtransmitter qtmobility stuff definitley turns on bluetooth even if the fm transmitter is already on | 13:06 |
| lcuk | is that because its inside the orbit of the constelation? | 13:06 |
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| lolloo | lcuk , login as? | 13:06 |
| lolloo | is it user? | 13:06 |
| Noobmonkey_ | are they linked? | 13:06 |
| lcuk | yes Noobmonkey_ i recall something similar from before | 13:06 |
| Noobmonkey_ | how odd! | 13:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:07 |
| lcuk | but you will have to investigate/make testcase/file bug to fix its behaviour | 13:07 |
| lcuk | Noobmonkey_, at least i remember something like that | 13:07 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lol lcuk :) | 13:08 |
| Noobmonkey_ | i'm using the generic qt test files, so i'm hoping they are already aware :) | 13:08 |
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| crashanddie | This channel is bleeding users | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | about a month ago, 500+ users, yesterday, 405, today, 380 | 13:20 |
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| jacekowski | nobody likes maemo anymore | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | I'm losing mah powa! | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | I need victims! | 13:21 |
| jacekowski | why somebody makes app so big that source code alone is 4G | 13:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: there's still 500+ at certain times | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | yeah, 3 days after a PR release | 13:22 |
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| khertan | Morning | 13:22 |
| alterego | "An email, split into user and domain elements to stop harvesting" - This is an xml file, just becuse you turn one attribute into two doesn't really make it any harder to harvest email addresses. | 13:22 |
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| khertan | http://khertan.net/_media/khweeteur_on_xfce.png < i am really starting to like qt | 13:23 |
| khertan | :) | 13:23 |
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| alterego | khertan: it's addictive isn't it ;) | 13:24 |
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| alterego | That@s neat, are you planning to use QML? | 13:25 |
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| alterego | Hrm, gpx has optional "elevation" for points, but it doesn't document the units. | 13:28 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 13:29 | |
| RST38h | heya alrterego | 13:29 |
| alterego | Aloha :) | 13:29 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyone tried jacekowski's fmtxd? | 13:31 |
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| Venemo_N900 | khertan: I've been thinking about how to run c apps from KhtEditor | 13:32 |
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| alterego | Oh yes, its' in meters, I was just reading the documentation wrong :) | 13:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan: I came up with a simple solution | 13:35 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | nice screenie khertan | 13:36 |
| Venemo_N900 | hello Noobmonkey_ | 13:36 |
| Noobmonkey_ | mornin ;) | 13:36 |
| khertan | alterego, no at all qml look like css things ... beurk | 13:36 |
| khertan | Venemo_N900, hi | 13:36 |
| khertan | Noobmonkey_, hi | 13:37 |
| khertan | Venemo_N900, which is ? | 13:37 |
| * Noobmonkey_ is screwing up qt yay! | 13:37 | |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan: 1. copy the source file to /tmp/khteditor (or similar) | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan: 2. call 'make myfile' in that folder | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan: 3. chmod then run the executable with the original source directory in PATH | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan: it could be done with a shell script or be built into khteditor itself | 13:40 |
| khertan | hum ... but make will require a makefile | 13:41 |
| khertan | (sorry i'm not familiar with c tools) | 13:41 |
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| Venemo_N900 | khertan: well it would normally | 13:42 |
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| Venemo_N900 | khertan: but there is a hack in make that will let you compile a single source file to anexecutable | 13:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan: we could also use gcc for this | 13:42 |
| crashanddie | alterego: there was a good practice on usenet, which asked people to indicate when an email address had been tampered with | 13:43 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: simply by appending .invalid to the end. That way, you could meddle with it any way you wanted first__removethis__lastname@mydomain.com.invalid | 13:44 |
| alterego | Heh, neat | 13:44 |
| crashanddie | And it basically told people to look for more than simply copying/pasting the email address | 13:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | khertan: and g++ for c++ | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | It actually came to a point where we saw the source code of a harvester bot who would simply ignore any email if it had .invalid at the end | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | khertan: need help? | 13:46 |
| alterego | Noice | 13:46 |
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| khertan | crashanddie, hi | 13:49 |
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| Venemo_N900 | brb | 13:50 |
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| khertan | Venemo_N900, hum ... but copying to /tmp the source file, would require to copy also inherited file | 13:50 |
| khertan | brb too ... going to eat something | 13:51 |
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| crashanddie | khertan: are you trying to allow compilation from within khteditor? | 13:59 |
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| troulouliou | hi , i just got a maemo , i have a friend with a maemo , when he turns it the phone application do directly opens in portrait mode | 14:05 |
| fureddo | My application has missing dependencies in extras repo but it's ok in testing. How come? Why is it different? | 14:05 |
| troulouliou | is there anything to download / config to have that working | 14:05 |
| thp | troulouliou: open the phone app and use the menu, "turn control" | 14:06 |
| troulouliou | thp: ho so easy thanks :) | 14:06 |
| thp | troulouliou: or rather "turning control" -> "launch by turning" | 14:06 |
| psycho_oreos | you can simply set it to portrait :) | 14:06 |
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| troulouliou | thanks working great | 14:07 |
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| lcuk | launch by turning, zoolander application. | 14:07 |
| lcuk | could start up a different app based on the turning direction :D | 14:07 |
| fureddo | Here is my app: http://maemo.org/packages/view/tomotko/ | 14:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi lcuk | 14:07 |
| lcuk | yo! Venemo_N900 | 14:07 |
| fureddo | On testing and devel, no prob. But on extras -> red warnings. Is it normal? | 14:08 |
| lcuk | fureddo, which languages are included? | 14:08 |
| fureddo | It's a qt application. | 14:09 |
| fureddo | C++/Qt. | 14:09 |
| lcuk | Flashcard application convenient for people wanting to learn vocabulary in one or more foreign languages. | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | ie, which languages are included. | 14:09 |
| fureddo | Ah... Sorry. | 14:09 |
| lcuk | not which language is it written in? :) | 14:09 |
| fureddo | Actually, no data are included by default. But you can download some glossaries here: http://tomotko.sourceforge.net in the glossary page. | 14:10 |
| lcuk | fureddo, gui download included? | 14:10 |
| fureddo | Many languages are supported. | 14:10 |
| lcuk | or does the user/operator have to know how to find/download/install them themselves? | 14:10 |
| fureddo | You can use the application to import the data. But you must first download the data and put it somewhere on your device. | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | hm | 14:12 |
| troulouliou | what is the best "Ir remote" program ? | 14:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: irreco maybe | 14:13 |
| BCMM | talking of ir, is it hard to capture a remote with lirc on a linux pc and use the data to have irreco imitate it? | 14:14 |
| BCMM | (i have an ir reciever for my desktop) | 14:14 |
| troulouliou | thanks installing it now | 14:15 |
| lcuk | BCMM, i would have thought that would be feasible | 14:15 |
| lcuk | but not sure how it works in practice | 14:15 |
| lcuk | fureddo, missing Finnish. | 14:15 |
| BCMM | lcuk: i've never transmitted with lirc before; does it use the same format for remote specification that it uses for recieving? | 14:15 |
| lcuk | idk | 14:16 |
| BCMM | also, has anyone seen an lirc config that functions like a tvbgone? | 14:16 |
| fureddo | lcuk: Finnish is supported but there is no available glossaries. | 14:17 |
| BCMM | (which is a device that broadcasts the "standby" signal for a large number of tvs back-to-back) | 14:17 |
| lcuk | lol BCMM | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | BCMM: maybe contact irreco's author | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | also | 14:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's the functional difference between Irreco and QtIrreco? | 14:19 |
| BCMM | lcuk: having it a phone would be the perfect cover, too | 14:20 |
| BCMM | ^on | 14:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | BCMM: hehe | 14:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | anyway, bb guys | 14:22 |
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| fck | hate netsplits | 14:24 |
| fck | ... | 14:24 |
| BCMM | hmm, there is a forum thread that basically concludes that the tvbgone firmware is open source but no one can work out how to convert their ir code format | 14:24 |
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| steinex | do you guys thing leaving the n900 on 3g uses more power than 2g? | 14:28 |
| steinex | think* | 14:28 |
| BCMM | it is known to | 14:28 |
| BCMM | that's why there is an applet for forcing it to 2g | 14:29 |
| fck | or dual | 14:29 |
| BCMM | (when using the net connection, that is - doubt there is a substantial difference just idling waiting to be phoned) | 14:29 |
| steinex | hm | 14:30 |
| psycho_oreos | or an app to switch it to 2G when 3G is not needed | 14:30 |
| fck | but dual actually sucks i think becoz for me often reconnecting from 2g to 3g it eats even more battery | 14:30 |
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| psycho_oreos | I beg to differ, I recall using 3G permanently under PR1.1.1 gave me less than a day's uptime with moderate usage | 14:31 |
| crashanddie | fck: going from 2g to 3g is a negligeable operation | 14:32 |
| psycho_oreos | now I get around about a day's usage with PR1.3 | 14:32 |
| fck | yep | 14:32 |
| fck | but apps reconnecting | 14:33 |
| fck | and this sucks | 14:33 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lcuk, figured out the qt fm tranmitter problem :P | 14:33 |
| Noobmonkey_ | its cos the code is for a fm receiver lol ;) | 14:33 |
| BCMM | bear in mind that there is also a massive difference between constantly sending even small amounts of data, and just sitting online with no traffic | 14:33 |
| fck | how man you can see even then you just reconnect n900 starting freaz | 14:33 |
| fck | shure | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonkey_, watcha trying to do? | 14:33 |
| Noobmonkey_ | MohammadAG, just suck out the fm transmitter information from qtmobility | 14:34 |
| fck | me always jabber, skype,google talk, icq, facebook chat | 14:34 |
| BCMM | i.e. irc over 3g uses an order of magnitude more power than being on gpr but doing nothing or waiting for a connection from elsewhere or something | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG | i'd just read the sysnodes :P | 14:34 |
| Noobmonkey_ | sysnodes? | 14:34 |
| Noobmonkey_ | sounds like an illnesas | 14:34 |
| Noobmonkey_ | illness* | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | BCMM: "waiting for connections"? | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | Noobmonkey_: you sound like an illness :P | 14:35 |
| Noobmonkey_ | crashanddie, :( | 14:35 |
| BCMM | crashanddie: trying to find a reason to be on gprs and not use it | 14:35 |
| BCMM | clearly the only good reason is sitting online so you can ssh it when you need to :) | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | BCMM: considering most mobile IP setups aren't routable, I think you'd be pretty hard pushed to find anything "waiting for connections" | 14:36 |
| BCMM | yeah, i know | 14:36 |
| BCMM | lets say staying online and checking email every 10 then | 14:36 |
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| neodemi | can anyone help me figure out how to get libpcre3 installed on my n900 | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | fun idea: check if when using same ISP/contract in the same area, you get an IP address that's acceptable and you can ping one another... Wireless Quake3 LAN | 14:37 |
| BCMM | crashanddie: weirdly, tmob uk has given me both real and loca ip addrs, depending on where i am | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | neodemi: it's available in the tools/sdk repository | 14:37 |
| BCMM | local | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | neodemi: can I ask why you need it? | 14:37 |
| neodemi | i was attempting to install kismet or aircrack and both seemed to need it | 14:38 |
| BCMM | i want ipv6. | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | neodemi: don't remember needing it, but well: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libpcre3/ | 14:39 |
| BCMM | firstly, the network would be able to give me a proper ip address, and secondly it wouldn't be practical for botnets to spam the entire address space any more, so you'd have a lot less pointless connections denting battery life | 14:39 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 14:40 |
| blackthorne | do desktop shortcuts, wallpapers and applets make significant difference in batery lifetime? | 14:41 |
| lcuk | applets can, depends what they do | 14:41 |
| lcuk | the others are general static content | 14:41 |
| BCMM | even live wallpapers go to sleep when you can't see them | 14:41 |
| lcuk | but busy live wallpapers do eat cpu :) | 14:42 |
| BCMM | am i right in saying that applets can go to sleep when hidden, but aren't forced to? | 14:42 |
| BCMM | (if they want to be checking the weather online or something) | 14:42 |
| blackthorne | i have some triggers for 2G/3G modes, battery status, Wifi and SSH switchers, some widgets for agenda and weather and default wallpapers, many shortcuts | 14:43 |
| lcuk | speaking of battery life, my laptop is battery very low bbl | 14:43 |
| thp | BCMM: yes, the can (and should), but they are not forced to | 14:43 |
| thp | s/the/they/ | 14:43 |
| blackthorne | most things are static and mail sync is manual | 14:44 |
| BCMM | thp: well, weather is an example of one that shouldn't | 14:44 |
| blackthorne | even though I can´t go over a day in n900 battery | 14:44 |
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| BCMM | blackthorne: but as lcuk said, ordinary wallpapers and shortcuts don't use substantial cpu time other than when switching desktops | 14:45 |
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| BCMM | blackthorne: are you on gprs all day? | 14:46 |
| blackthorne | just gsm | 14:46 |
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| blackthorne | though I make significant use of wifi | 14:46 |
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| BCMM | blackthorne: does it go flat fast even when just sitting in your pocket all day in case someone calls? | 14:47 |
| BCMM | blackthorne: ah, you might like to check if powersaving is enabled on your wireless router | 14:48 |
| blackthorne | i only have it for 2 days... can`t be sure about that | 14:48 |
| BCMM | with that enabled and working well, the n900 can idle on wifi for days | 14:48 |
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| BCMM | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 14:50 |
| BCMM | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 14:50 |
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| lcukn900 | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Disco_Power_management | 14:51 |
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| BCMM | lcuk: huh? | 14:52 |
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| alterego | Not sure what to do, kind of fancy writing some more crap to use my nift Qt bluetooth stuff. | 14:55 |
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| blackthorne | back | 14:56 |
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| blackthorne | powersaving, where is that? | 14:57 |
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| TomaszD | anyone wants wine vouchers from amazon.co.uk and is from the UK? | 14:57 |
| TomaszD | I've got one that expires in two days for 40 GBP | 14:58 |
| TomaszD | and another fresh one for 50 GBP | 14:58 |
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| blackthorne | tomaszD: not me, but thank you | 14:59 |
| crashanddie | what is it with amazon wine vouchers? | 15:00 |
| alterego | TomaszD: for free? :) | 15:00 |
| TomaszD | yes | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | are they trying to get people drunk? | 15:00 |
| alterego | I'll have it :) | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | alterego: you'll have to pay for s&h | 15:00 |
| TomaszD | I don't know, all I know is that they don't deliver to Poland | 15:00 |
| alterego | crashanddie: s&h? | 15:00 |
| Corsac | shipping&handling | 15:01 |
| nidO | crashanddie: no, they just want to make you think you're getting something free when you're really not | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | shipping and handling | 15:01 |
| alterego | shipping? | 15:01 |
| alterego | That's fine, I've got to order some other stuff today anyway ;) | 15:01 |
| nidO | same as the wine vouchers lovefilm give away in every single disk delivery | 15:01 |
| alterego | TomaszD: PM me the code :D | 15:01 |
| TomaszD | ok | 15:01 |
| troulouliou | is anybidy here using the sdk ? | 15:02 |
| blackthorne | one good discount of amazon goes to office 2011: license for 3 persons - 110$ | 15:03 |
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| blackthorne | i thought maemo was good on movie playing, so I could play all formats | 15:18 |
| blackthorne | after installing a pack of codecs only 2 movies out of a list of 5 | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | All - no. | 15:19 |
| blackthorne | they all played in my ipod touch | 15:19 |
| blackthorne | .mp4,.mov | 15:20 |
| lcuk | blackthorne, then you already watched them. | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | troulouliou: a few people yes, how about you ask a question? | 15:20 |
| lcuk | no need to see again :P | 15:20 |
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| blackthorne | lcuk: emacs screencast should always be close to you | 15:21 |
| RST38h | black: The punchline of this story is to always getmovies encoded in the widely available formats like Xvid =) | 15:21 |
| crashanddie | just vi, no need for a screencast | 15:21 |
| troulouliou | crashhanddie: have two problems , 1 i can not start the wm anymore in xephyr ; 2 when i switch from ARMEL to X86 , have a message "terminal type ?" | 15:21 |
| lcuk | blackthorne, why screencast, can just play the real game | 15:21 |
| * lcuk grabs his ideapad | 15:22 | |
| crashanddie | lcuk: how do you like the ideapad? | 15:22 |
| troulouliou | but i just got the phone 4 days ago , maybe it is a real too noob questin answered on tons of forums :) | 15:22 |
| blackthorne | thats how I switched to THE operating system | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | troulouliou: what error message do you get when trying to start the maemo environment? | 15:22 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, i like it :) missing stylus tho, i have to write using chalkboard hand | 15:22 |
| lcuk | its more tiresome and the notes end up at about the same res/detail as n900 ones | 15:22 |
| blackthorne | after many failed tries with books and articles | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: it runs meego, yes? | 15:23 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, yes, very well. | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: how does a full Qt interface work? | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: better/snappier than gtk? | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | hardware accel? | 15:23 |
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| blackthorne | lcuk: ideapad? what gadget is that that I don`t have and dont even know? | 15:23 |
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| crashanddie | blackthorne: laptop that intel gave away at the meego conference | 15:24 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, go see some of the videos | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: i don't want videos, I want first hand experience | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | yours, preferably | 15:24 |
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| lcuk | its much higher spec (obviously its x86 atom based multitouch netbook) | 15:24 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, :) soon, just getting to know her | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | k | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | anyway, gotta run | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | later #maemo | 15:25 |
| lcuk | theres some handling issues lol | 15:25 |
| troulouliou | crashanddie: http://pastebin.com/M1Zivp8r | 15:25 |
| troulouliou | here are the output | 15:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Can I put it into a pocket? =) | 15:25 |
| aquatix | lcuk: which ideapad model is that? | 15:25 |
| troulouliou | in xhephyr a can only see a twitter widget :) | 15:25 |
| lcuk | blackthorne, at the #meego conf nokia and intel gave out lenovo ideapads to the participants | 15:25 |
| lcuk | X10-3t | 15:25 |
| aquatix | ah, the S10-3t | 15:25 |
| lcuk | S10-3t | 15:25 |
| aquatix | check | 15:25 |
| troulouliou | and when i click on it the screen is black again | 15:25 |
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| blackthorne | lcuk I guess that conf is not for everybody... | 15:26 |
| blackthorne | seems a laptop like any other, Y460 | 15:28 |
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| erstazi | what is your preferred stand-alone navigation app? navit? roadmap? sygic? | 15:28 |
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| aquatix | erstazi: i like sygic | 15:32 |
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| MohammadAG | if kb LEDs have a brightness range of 0-255, and volume range is 0-100, then for each 100 /255 I have to raise brightness by 1 | 15:33 |
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| roadi | 0 - 100 = 101 and 0 - 255 = 256 | 15:35 |
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| erstazi | aquatix: yeah, 30€ is not bad, honestly | 15:37 |
| pupnik_ | it's cold outside when helicopters sound more hi-fi | 15:37 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I round up an int? | 15:44 |
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| MohammadAG | does this look wrong? int BPL = (value / 100 * 255); | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | I always get 0 in the output | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | what is value | 15:59 |
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| MohammadAG | an int from 0-100 | 16:00 |
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| MohammadAG | 71 | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | 0 | 16:00 |
| MohammadAG | 71 is value, BPL is 0 | 16:00 |
| alterego | Need to make one a floating point value. | 16:00 |
| ieatlint | yeah, 100*255 is 25500 | 16:00 |
| alterego | Then round. | 16:00 |
| ieatlint | 100 / 25500 is 0 | 16:00 |
| alterego | value / 100.0f * 255 | 16:00 |
| alterego | Though, the rounding is implicit. | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | value*255/100 | 16:01 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: is the nicer integer way of doing it ;) | 16:01 |
| ieatlint | err, yeah, i'm on crack... forgetting my order, ignore what i said :P | 16:01 |
| ieatlint | yeah, SpeedEvil is the most correct answer as it avoids floating point math... | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, alterego ty :) | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to write an integer to a file? or just convert it to a string | 16:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, you can do that. | 16:03 |
| alterego | QIODevice::write(QString::number(someNumber)) | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | .toString() I guess? | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 16:03 |
| ieatlint | do you want it as an int or as a string? | 16:04 |
| alterego | That's a nice function that'll output integers, or decimals. | 16:04 |
| alterego | (depending on the argument type. | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | sigh, /home/mohammad/VU-build-maemo/../VU/mainwindow.cpp:101: error: no matching function for call to 'QFile::write(QString)' | 16:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | sprintf(FILE,"%d",int); | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | hm, candidates are: qint64 QIODevice::write(const char*, qint64) | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, Qt | 16:04 |
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| ieatlint | you can work around that with .toASCII() and .length() on the qstring, or there is a more specific function i think for writing text | 16:05 |
| ieatlint | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qtextstream.html | 16:06 |
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| alterego | Just do QString::constData() :) | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | .toAscii() worked :D | 16:09 |
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| MohammadAG | and I must say, a pulsing VU is better | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/VU | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | run it as root | 16:11 |
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| MohammadAG | lock the screen before it starts | 16:12 |
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| MohammadAG | bbl | 16:12 |
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| ieatlint | it's too damned cold | 16:24 |
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| luke-jr | ieatlint: I concur. | 16:25 |
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| luke-jr | except for the bit about Hell freezing | 16:25 |
| luke-jr | pretty sure it's not quite so cold there | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I looked at the weather forecast for next weekend. | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | This was a mistake - it's -15C | 16:26 |
| luke-jr | is it really? | 16:26 |
| luke-jr | what's that in Temps? | 16:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm | 16:26 |
| SpeedEvil | 10F? | 16:26 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it's no where near that cold here... but i don't really have heating, so when it hits the current temp of 4c, i'm just fucking cold | 16:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I also don't have heating - it's 2C in here. | 16:27 |
| luke-jr | -2Tp | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - 3C | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | that is 3, not -3 | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Electric blanket++ | 16:28 |
| ieatlint | eek, it's maybe 8c in here... you win | 16:28 |
| luke-jr | meh, the day doesn't look too bad | 16:28 |
| kerio | i'm in my bed under blankets | 16:28 |
| kerio | i win | 16:28 |
| luke-jr | gets up to 76 F today | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm also in bed | 16:28 |
| luke-jr | low 80s Mon and Tue | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Under blankets | 16:28 |
| ieatlint | hah, i have blanket + other human keeping me "warm" right now | 16:28 |
| ieatlint | plus laptop | 16:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd much rather have a human. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - a subset of humans. | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | Not just any random one. | 16:29 |
| alterego | Crazy .. | 16:29 |
| ieatlint | a subset? like a minority? | 16:29 |
| luke-jr | 84 F on Monday… | 16:29 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: yeah, damn you florida | 16:29 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: he means a specific human | 16:29 |
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| kerio | ieatlint: it would need to be a bigass bed to hold a majority of humans | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Female, 16-40, BMI between 17 and 28, acceptable personal hygine, not too annoying. | 16:30 |
| ieatlint | :P | 16:30 |
| kerio | i'd go for asian fetish supermodel | 16:31 |
| ieatlint | hah | 16:31 |
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| ieatlint | oops :P | 16:31 |
| ieatlint | person next to me is a former fetish model, but not asian, heh | 16:32 |
| kerio | lies | 16:32 |
| ieatlint | :P | 16:32 |
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| kerio | wait, srsly? | 16:36 |
| ieatlint | heh, essentially, yeah | 16:37 |
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| pupnik | "Mankind is selfish and greedy! Therefore we must give absolute power to other selfish and greedy men!" <-- hahahahah | 16:42 |
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| alterego | Should probably add a nice bluetooth devices dialo, to stop people having to explicitely enter in the bluetooth device address. | 16:45 |
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| trumee | crap, the power kernel (v46) eats up the cpu on a sip call like nobodys business. | 16:55 |
| trumee | Stock kernel eats up about 35% of cpu while power kernel goes upto 60% | 16:56 |
| trumee | is the power kernel from extras repo support PR 1.3? | 16:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hey guys | 17:00 |
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| alterego | He Venemo | 17:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi alterego | 17:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego, how's your app? :) | 17:09 |
| trumee | booooooo, power kernel v40 from extra also eats up cpu | 17:10 |
| trumee | 62.2% cpu with power kernel vs 40% stock kernel. | 17:10 |
| alterego | Good thanks. | 17:10 |
| alterego | Not working on it today, just relaxing ;) | 17:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :) | 17:11 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: what are you working on at the moment? Anything? | 17:11 |
| trumee | Pulse audio eats up too much cpu in power kernel. Is there any trick i am missing? | 17:11 |
| trumee | Not keen on OCing though | 17:11 |
| trumee | I need a kernel which can let me setup N900 as a usb router. | 17:12 |
| trumee | baslically with iptables/NAT support. | 17:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: well... attending uni and having a job is hard | 17:12 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: ^^ | 17:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: that's what I'm working on | 17:12 |
| alterego | :) | 17:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | trumee: maybe a later version of the power kernel? | 17:13 |
| alterego | I'm trying to work out why my bluetooth slave mode has stopped working. | 17:13 |
| trumee | Venemo_N900: i tried v46 from extras-devel, same response. | 17:13 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: in the meantime, I'm still looking for a good idea for my homework app | 17:13 |
| alterego | Basically, my app allows you to set it up to connect to a host bluetooth rfcomm service, rather than acting as a host itself. | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | trumee: sorry to hear that | 17:14 |
| alterego | It's a feature that is probably pointless, but I want it there for completeness. | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: yeah, you've mentioned it yesterday | 17:14 |
| trumee | anybody using power kernel along with sip? | 17:14 |
| alterego | Well, for some reason it has stopped working, complaining "Device or resource busy" :/ | 17:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: it stopped working just out of the blue? | 17:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: that's weird | 17:15 |
| alterego | Yeah, or, it stopped working out of the bluetooth :P | 17:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 17:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | fortunately I won't have to work in my next semester, so I'll probably have more time for the community and everything | 17:17 |
| alterego | Cool, | 17:17 |
| alterego | As far as your homework project is concerned, what kind of tech do you want to work with? | 17:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: qt for sure | 17:17 |
| alterego | I meant a little beyond that ;) | 17:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: well it is suposed to be something not trivial | 17:18 |
| alterego | networking, web services, sensors, geo-location. | 17:18 |
| alterego | Something a little more lower level. | 17:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | the current idea is a gps tracker app, but sine there are more than one already, I'm not very happy with this idea | 17:18 |
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| alterego | Heh, yeah, mine does that ;) | 17:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah, yours is one of them | 17:19 |
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| Venemo_N900 | anyway, I haven't a clue what I should do | 17:19 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: I was thinking about an RSS app too | 17:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: but I'm not sure if it would qualify as non-trivial | 17:21 |
| alterego | Ah fixed it :) | 17:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | congrats alterego :) | 17:22 |
| alterego | Next to add a nice little device selection dialog. | 17:23 |
| alterego | So you can choose which bluetooth device to use, rather than enter it's BT address. | 17:23 |
| alterego | Then it'll display open channels, and away you go :) | 17:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | thought you said you're not working on it today :P | 17:25 |
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| alterego | Changed my mind,. | 17:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 17:27 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: so any ideas? | 17:38 |
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| alterego | Just thought of something cool, a bluetooth mesh network :) | 17:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | mesh network? | 17:44 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's that? | 17:44 |
| alterego | Though you probably don't have a, erm, significant number of devices to make it impressive. | 17:44 |
| alterego | Well, like a chat program that allows you to talk to any connected bluetooth device, that's connected to you or a peer. | 17:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | oh, yeah | 17:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | someone already does this as his homework :( | 17:45 |
| alterego | Oh, ghey :( | 17:45 |
| alterego | I wonder if he's doing daisy chaining too. | 17:46 |
| alterego | You could have an infinite number of devices connected :) | 17:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | although the guy might have given up on bluetooth, I dunno | 17:46 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's daisy chaining? | 17:46 |
| alterego | Hrm | 17:46 |
| kerio | O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O -- O | 17:46 |
| alterego | A while ago I was going to work on a web interface to the N900 | 17:47 |
| Venemo_N900 | what sort of web interface? | 17:47 |
| alterego | Well, each device works as a host/relay so when someone sends it, you recieve the message and pass it on to all connected peers. | 17:47 |
| kerio | ugh, that routing thing is tough | 17:48 |
| alterego | So you can use bluetooth to allow everyone that's within a five meter radius of anyone else to connect. | 17:48 |
| kerio | what if someone in the middle disconnects | 17:48 |
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| alterego | Yeah, well timestamps, buffers and a custome sdp service. | 17:49 |
| kerio | also go look at the ds' pictochat :) | 17:49 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, mesh networks usually have some crippling flaws | 17:49 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: a web interface that allows you to do everything the phone can do, look up contacts, send sms' calendar that sort of thing. | 17:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: I would prefer a server-client architecture | 17:50 |
| ieatlint | but then, torrents in some ways are mesh, along with tor, skype and some large wifi deployments | 17:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | oh, nice | 17:50 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: it is, but each node is a server and a client. | 17:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | oh | 17:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | well I might read up on it | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | sorta like ad-hoc on wifi | 17:50 |
| alterego | Means you only have to write one program too ;) | 17:50 |
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| * alterego looks at his list of app ideas. | 17:51 | |
| alterego | rtcomm/telepathy plugin for facebook messages (not chat) something more like email. | 17:52 |
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| alterego | The web interface is something cool though, I started working on a small prototype in Python. | 17:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 17:55 |
| alterego | Not really a Qt app though | 17:55 |
| alterego | Unless you want to implement your own Qt based HTTP server as well. | 17:55 |
| ieatlint | i imagine qt mobility would be pretty good for that... might even port to symbian | 17:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | :D | 17:56 |
| ieatlint | would be very useful for stalking people | 17:56 |
| alterego | ieatlint? | 17:56 |
| ieatlint | remotely connect and view their messages, phone call history, contacts, calendar.. :P | 17:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lol | 17:57 |
| ieatlint | would've saved a lot of trouble for the ex-bf of a friend of mine | 17:57 |
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| alterego | Heh | 17:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | lol :D | 17:58 |
| alterego | Nokia released something similar for Symbian S60 | 17:58 |
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| alterego | Was quite cool, used python and apache unusually :) | 17:58 |
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| MohammadAG | "Mobile Web Server" | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | it bricked my old N95 lol | 17:59 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 17:59 |
| alterego | Hah, worked fine for me on my N95 and N96 :) | 17:59 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :) | 17:59 |
| ieatlint | i seem to recall that for my old n80... was laggy as hell, and only offered minimal functionality as i recall | 17:59 |
| ieatlint | left the phone unusable while running | 18:00 |
| alterego | Yeah, sometimes it was really crap ;) | 18:00 |
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| alterego | Venemo_N900: other than that I'm not sure I've got any other ideas for you :( | 18:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: what more is on your list of app ideas? | 18:03 |
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| alterego | Deviant art sharing service | 18:04 |
| alterego | SSH sharing service | 18:04 |
| alterego | link local SIP client | 18:05 |
| alterego | Local voice mailbox | 18:05 |
| alterego | And an app that can use the power/charging indicator led to flash activity when plugged in as a usb storage device. | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | local voice mailbox? | 18:05 |
| alterego | Yeah, basically when someone rings you, if you don't answer, it plays a recorded message, beeps, then records the phone call. | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | that would be nice, though that would be more of a daemon right? | 18:06 |
| alterego | So you don't have to pay for calling up your operators' mailbox. | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 18:06 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:06 |
| * MohammadAG liked those apps | 18:06 | |
| alterego | :) | 18:06 |
| alterego | That's pretty much it. | 18:07 |
| alterego | (All my project ideas) | 18:07 |
| MohammadAG | call detected -> fire a timer -> timer finishes -> pick up call, forward all mic input to some prerecorded file, forward all output to file -> save in db | 18:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe :) | 18:07 |
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| Venemo_N900 | is there an api for that? | 18:07 |
| alterego | There are a couple of much larger projects, but those aren't interesting to any of you, they're targetted specifically to a closed market. | 18:08 |
| alterego | dbus | 18:08 |
| alterego | Heh :) | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | yes -> yes -> yes -> yes -> hmm(?) -> yes, yes | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | hmm(?) part is alsa and pulseaudio | 18:08 |
| alterego | I was also thinking of using my fft implementation to detect DTMF tones and allow you to "program" an automated menu system. :) | 18:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: what closed market? | 18:09 |
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| alterego | Well, by closed I mean specifically targetted towards non-users :P | 18:11 |
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| alterego | Basically a couple of applications oriented towards security services and the police. | 18:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: non-users? | 18:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: oh | 18:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | well I like the bluetooth messaging idea | 18:12 |
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| alterego | I started working on them when I used to work at Tyco, but stopped when I got made redundant, I do plan on contuinuing the work and selling the product to either Tyco or some other companies I know that do a similar line of business. | 18:12 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: yeah, that's a good project to do. | 18:12 |
| alterego | I was going to call it "Blue Buddy" | 18:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | will look if there's a properly documented API for BT | 18:12 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 18:12 |
| alterego | It also had the ability to notify you when a known bdaddr (friend) comes into proximity. | 18:12 |
| troulouliou | i how do i press escape in maemo ? | 18:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: you don't | 18:13 |
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| toresbe | hey guys | 18:13 |
| alterego | Venemo_N900: Qt mobility 1.2 has a connectivity API with bluetooth for symbian, windows and linux. | 18:13 |
| lcuk | troulouliou, press the back button on n8x0 | 18:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: you can remap the keyboard though | 18:13 |
| alterego | I implemented my own bluetooth stuff, but you should use that. | 18:13 |
| toresbe | is there a consensus about what IR control app is best for N900? | 18:13 |
| lcuk | that should work on maemo3 and 4 *grin* | 18:13 |
| alterego | (as you're not planning to sell yours. | 18:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: sounds nice | 18:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | toresbe: well I use QtIrreco | 18:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: I'll look at the api | 18:14 |
| toresbe | I am really annoyed with the irreco interface | 18:14 |
| toresbe | it is horrendous | 18:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: should it be a conversations plugin or a separate app? | 18:14 |
| alterego | Well, conversatiosn doesn't allow for group chat does it? | 18:15 |
| troulouliou | Venemo_N900: i have ported a full screen 3D app to maemo | 18:15 |
| alterego | So it'll have to be a simple Qt ui as well. | 18:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: it does for Skype | 18:15 |
| troulouliou | is there any screeshot app ; to post the result ? | 18:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: ctrl+shift+P | 18:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: that's print screen | 18:16 |
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| infobot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) | 18:16 |
| troulouliou | yeah nice :) | 18:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: will make a screen shot to the images/screenshots directory | 18:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: as for esc, modifying the keybinding shouldn't be hard after porting an app | 18:17 |
| troulouliou | yes sure | 18:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: thx for bringing us infobot :P | 18:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: there is an onscreen esc in the xterm app, but other than that, there is no esc key on the N900 | 18:17 |
| Venemo_N900 | troulouliou: most ports use the backspace button instead | 18:18 |
| troulouliou | ok will map to backspace | 18:19 |
| * kerio has his own xkbd set up to *have* escape | 18:19 | |
| troulouliou | btw gles1.0 seems really slow on N900 upon firs test | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | what if you were coding in a ferrari? would it go fast then? | 18:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, I like your sense of humor | 18:23 |
| troulouliou | no but maybe the gles1.0 is just a POC compared to gles2.0 | 18:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | well then use gles2 | 18:23 |
| troulouliou | i think the gpu has been built for gles2.0 | 18:23 |
| troulouliou | no that easy to port :) | 18:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 18:23 |
| troulouliou | on the roadmap | 18:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :) | 18:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | what app is it btw? | 18:24 |
| alterego | t [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] | 18:24 |
| alterego | 16:21 -!- Bash1 [~Bash@94-193-105-245.zone7.bethere.cot [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] | 18:24 |
| troulouliou | game using Ogre3D | 18:24 |
| alterego | oops | 18:24 |
| alterego | What the hell was that? | 18:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | ok, but what game? | 18:25 |
| troulouliou | Venemo_N900: http://code.google.com/p/gamekit/ | 18:25 |
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| troulouliou | gk i using a copy version of ogre 1.7.2 | 18:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | mhm | 18:26 |
| troulouliou | support for a rendersystem using gles2.0/ egl is in pretty unstable devlopment | 18:26 |
| * Bash1 thinks he has an admirer :P | 18:27 | |
| Bash1 | or stalker* | 18:27 |
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| MohammadAG | Bash1, no, we just use Bash as a programming language around here :P | 18:29 |
| comawhite | MohammadAG, we do? | 18:30 |
| MohammadAG | #!/bin/bash | 18:30 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: any idea why pulse audio consumes high cpu in Power kernel compared to stock in a sip call? | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | nope, I'm not involved in kernel-power | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | ask titan | 18:31 |
| trumee | does he use irc? | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | no | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen t-tan | 18:35 |
| infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 169d 20h 54m 25s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. | 18:35 |
| kerio | ^proof that overclocking is bad | 18:36 |
| trumee | i wonder if anybody uses power kernel along with sip here. | 18:36 |
| trumee | kerio: unless power kernel overclocks by default, i didnt do any overclocking | 18:36 |
| steinex | trumee: i do, but rarely | 18:36 |
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| steinex | my sipnumber is forwarded to gsm most ofthe time | 18:37 |
| trumee | steinex: sip call using g711 uses 60% in power-kernel compared to 40% in stock. | 18:37 |
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| trumee | steinex: do you use ulaw codec? | 18:38 |
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| steinex | trumee: i think not | 18:39 |
| pupnik | Feds "Cultivated" Christmas Tree Bomber For 18 Months http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAONzQdubXA | 18:39 |
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| toresbe | ARGH IRRECO | 18:43 |
| toresbe | I am so patching the hell out of this | 18:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: what would you think about a puzzle game that generates a puzzle from an image on the device? | 18:44 |
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| alterego | Yeah, that's a cool idea :) | 18:45 |
| alterego | Really cool idea, you could do it in Qt Quick ;) | 18:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | really? | 18:45 |
| * Venemo_N900 has never tried Qt Quick? | 18:45 | |
| alterego | Actually don't bother. | 18:45 |
| Venemo_N900 | qt quick is just another name for QML right? | 18:45 |
| alterego | There's no way to tell Qt Quick to "position" the image to get the right segment. | 18:46 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:46 |
| alterego | QML sorry ;) | 18:46 |
| alterego | Do it in Qt, and make sure you use lots of QPropertyAnimations for the tiles :D | 18:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | I was thinking of incorporating some OpenGL | 18:46 |
| Venemo_N900 | what is that? | 18:46 |
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| alterego | It allows you to do some really cool animation effects. | 18:48 |
| alterego | For instance, you create a QPropertyAnimation on the "geometry" property of a QWidget, and when a user clicks on a tile, it sets the geometry through the QPropertyAnimation to move the tile pressed into the open slot. | 18:49 |
| alterego | Within a specified duration. | 18:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | so it is like animations in WPF | 18:49 |
| alterego | And you can set easing curves, which allow you to do bounce effects and all sorts. That's what I'd do :) | 18:49 |
| Venemo_N900 | or Silverlight | 18:49 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's an animation framework. | 18:50 |
| alterego | It's basically what QML is based on. | 18:50 |
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| Venemo_N900 | do you have a link for this animation framework? | 18:50 |
| alterego | I use it in Columbus for all my animations, when the user taps on my screen, I use a bounce easing curve to display my tool buttons. Adds a little bit of funk to the UX :) | 18:50 |
| alterego | It's all in the generic Qt documentation | 18:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe, yeah | 18:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | We used to make all sorts of animations like that in Silverlight at my previous workplace | 18:51 |
| alterego | QPropertyAnimation is really nice and flexible, as it allows you to animate an objects property for any type that can be used by QVariant. | 18:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | that's nice | 18:52 |
| alterego | Which includes colors, points, rectangles :) | 18:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | yep | 18:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | sounds like SL | 18:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 18:52 |
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| Venemo_N900 | the place and the app we worked on was flawed in many ways | 18:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | but ultimatly it was the salary I got from them that allowed me to get an N900 :P | 18:53 |
| alterego | Nice :) | 18:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: what should I look for in the Qt docs? | 18:54 |
| alterego | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.7/animation.html | 18:54 |
| Venemo_N900 | oh, thx | 18:54 |
| alterego | That's a really good idea for an app though Venemo_N900 I hope you do it. | 18:54 |
| alterego | Hours and hours of fun :) | 18:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | didn't find it in http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/modules.html | 18:55 |
| alterego | It's part of QtGui | 18:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx alterego | 18:55 |
| alterego | np | 18:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | oh, ok | 18:56 |
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| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 18:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | which reminds me | 18:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'll have to fix the text input class in Qt | 18:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | for Maemo | 18:57 |
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| Venemo_N900 | alterego: remember the bugs I told you yesterday? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<MohammadAG> does this look wrong? int BPL = (value / 100 * 255);) use value * 255 / 100 ! | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, already solved it, SpeedEvil mentioned that :) | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and never even dare to think you might need real/float/whatever your langs name for that, just because you're lazy to think what's happening in integre arithmetics | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as long as you have to cpe with less than ~2^28 discrete possible values of a var, you *never* must use real | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | cope* | 19:13 |
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| pupnik | h m | 19:14 |
| Noobmonkey_ | wohoooooooooo | 19:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's up Noobmonkey_ ? | 19:15 |
| Noobmonkey_ | just completed the sensor checking screen for healthcheck :P | 19:15 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | shows all availablia variables in real times for the sensors :) | 19:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 19:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | sounds very nic | 19:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | sounds very nice | 19:16 |
| Noobmonkey_ | i like it when things go smoothly :) | 19:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | :) | 19:16 |
| Noobmonkey_ | using qtmobility, when it works, things really can be easy! | 19:16 |
| Noobmonkey_ | just a case of a list box listing all available, then two more, one for static properties, and one for the changeable ones :) :) - taken about 3 hours to fit it on the screen though! | 19:17 |
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| Venemo_N900 | :) | 19:17 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | camera, media, sound and led's to go! :P | 19:20 |
| Noobmonkey_ | oh and gps, bluetooth too lol | 19:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 19:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | still coding it in Python? | 19:21 |
| Noobmonkey_ | naaa c++/qt :) - another fresh start | 19:21 |
| kerio | :( | 19:21 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | screenies from last week here - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&page=78&highlight=healthcheck | 19:21 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lol kerio | 19:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | Noobmonkey_: I'm proud of you | 19:22 |
| Afteris | hey | 19:22 |
| Noobmonkey_ | Venemo_N900, it wasnt that python wasnt good enough, but i struggle hand drawing the screens, finally got a setup with qtcreator that means i can work on the gui easier | 19:22 |
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| Afteris | Setting up docstogo (2.000.315) ... | 19:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | kerio is a Python zealot, but don't worry | 19:22 |
| Noobmonkey_ | lol :) - i like python, was v easy | 19:22 |
| Afteris | Unknown media type in type 'sketch/png' | 19:22 |
| kerio | :( | 19:22 |
| Noobmonkey_ | but might as well start learning 2 languages in 1 year ;) | 19:22 |
| Noobmonkey_ | ooo Afteris just remined me of one more check, mime types :) | 19:23 |
| Noobmonkey_ | oh, and fm radio transmitter! darn they just keep coming | 19:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry Noobmonkey_, the connection here is crap, can't watch your screenshots | 19:23 |
| Noobmonkey_ | ahhh :p fair enough :) | 19:24 |
| Noobmonkey_ | wiould love some feedback when you get time :) | 19:24 |
| Noobmonkey_ | would* | 19:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | you'll get it when I get home | 19:24 |
| Noobmonkey_ | right, roast dinner to be ready for 5 people in 30 mins, better go check on it! | 19:25 |
| Noobmonkey_ | back in a bit! | 19:25 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, what do you think about the puzzle game idea? | 19:48 |
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| DHR | My n800 is acting a bit oddly. Here's a dmesg log http://pastebin.ca/2004684 . Several things look interesting | 19:56 |
| DHR | line 121: # [ 46.039062] onenand_wait: correctable ECC error = 0x0004 | 19:57 |
| DHR | line 126: # [ 54.906250] JFFS2 warning: (1262) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -584 | 19:58 |
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| DHR | a whole bunch of lines like this: # [ 292.289062] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled | 19:59 |
| DHR | and this: # [ 294.789062] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled | 19:59 |
| DHR | Is this normal (I admit that I only looked at dmesg when the n800 became sick)? | 20:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DHR: we would need to know what you mean by 'sick' | 20:01 |
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| Venemo_N900 | also see | 20:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | ~flashing | 20:03 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:03 |
| alterego | DHR: how much rootfs space do you have? | 20:03 |
| DHR | fair enough. My wife has been using it as an mp3 player. Application: canola. It takes forever to go into a playlist now. I'm still exploring. | 20:04 |
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| DHR | root is 78% full | 20:05 |
| DHR | (I'm not good at IRC. I typed / is 78% full and wondered why it didn't show up) | 20:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | no problem DHR | 20:06 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I recommend to try a full reflash, and reformat memory cards if any | 20:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | if the problem persists, I'll pass the question to someone more knowledgeable | 20:07 |
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| DHR | What's the best load for an n800 these days. I realize that is a matter of opinion, but I'd like any thoughts you might have. | 20:08 |
| DHR | Am I correct in my guess that the ECC message is about the built-in NAND flash? | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/telescope/ | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | I believe it to be so, yes | 20:09 |
| SpeedEvil | 'reformatting' - reflashing might help | 20:10 |
| DHR | thanks, Venemo_N900 and SpeedEvil | 20:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | hey | 20:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | it snowed here! | 20:11 |
| SpeedEvil | It's also snowed here. | 20:12 |
| DHR | The most interesting state on the n800 is the collection of canola playlists. Do you know if there is an easy way to rescue them before I reflash? If you don't know, I'll explore. | 20:12 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DHR, maybe you can save them to your pc? | 20:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DHR: That error from jffs is that it's run out of space to store the 'bad block' list | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | DHR: this is not in principle a terminal failure | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | DHR: but I'm not sure how you go about reformatting the jffs | 20:13 |
| DHR | not much snow here (Toronto). SpeedEvil: where's "here"? | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never had a n800, so can't answer this. | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Fife, Scotland. | 20:13 |
| DHR | I presume JFFS is in internal NAND so I'd guess reflashing would fix it. | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 20:14 |
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| DHR | I've not heard of Fife, but have heard of Fifeshire. I presume that is the county containing a city called Fife. | 20:16 |
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| troulouliou | http://code.google.com/p/gamekit/issues/detail?id=120 | 20:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Fifeshire is basically as correct as calling Ontario a state. | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Shire is an english thing. | 20:19 |
| DHR | oops. | 20:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Doesn't especially bother me. :) | 20:19 |
| * SpeedEvil wishes for a decent music player on n900. | 20:20 | |
| alterego | That and England isn't really big enough for states. | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I should probably try the existing ones. | 20:20 |
| alterego | States are more like Scotland and Wales | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | The built-in one is silly. | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Scotland, Wales are countries. | 20:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | The united kingdom is composed of the three united kingdoms of scotland, england, and wales, with one king. (well, queen). And northern ireland. | 20:21 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star,_Fife - teeny village. | 20:22 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - quite small anyway. | 20:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 20:22 |
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| DHR | there is an English phrase "provinces" as in "from the provinces", which seems to mean "from some backwater". | 20:22 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good news: my train has arrived | 20:23 |
| Venemo_N900 | and it's snowing here :) | 20:23 |
| DHR | here == some place in Hungary? | 20:24 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DHR, yes | 20:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | specifically Budapest | 20:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'm in the metro now | 20:26 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I must say, irc is a very good way to pass the time when I'm on a train | 20:27 |
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| messerting | Hi folks, I've got a N900 PR1.3 with a few .mp3 and .ogg files in my Music folder. I can browse and play both types, but in the Media Player, the .ogg files doesn't show | 20:33 |
| messerting | Known issue? Known quick fix? | 20:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | messerting: have you installed the extra decoders package? | 20:34 |
| kerio | messerting: tracker being the usual dick | 20:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | kerio: the extra decoders support package is what adds .oggs to tracker afaik | 20:37 |
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| alterego | He would be able to play them if he didn't have some kind of extra off support. | 20:37 |
| kerio | try rebuilding the db | 20:37 |
| kerio | tracker-processes -something | 20:37 |
| Venemo_N900 | alterego: umm? | 20:38 |
| alterego | s/off/ogg/ | 20:38 |
| infobot | alterego meant: He would be able to play them if he didn't have some kind of extra ogg support. | 20:38 |
| alterego | s/would/wouldn't/ ;) | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | ok | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | :P | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | hm | 20:41 |
| Venemo_N900 | butterfly seems to no longer work for me :( | 20:41 |
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| Venemo_N900 | which plugin do you guys use for MSN? | 20:42 |
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| andre__ | messerting, did it work in PR1.2? if so see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11511 | 20:45 |
| povbot | Bug 11511: Media player doesn't show Ogg files after PR1.3 upgrade | 20:45 |
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| Venemo_N900 | andre__: interesting | 20:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | andre__: how is it that it shows oggs for me in pr1.3 | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | who the fuck is ~mrg@unaffiliated/mintux | 20:51 |
| crashanddie | ~seen mintux | 20:52 |
| infobot | mintux <~user@unaffiliated/mintux> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 70d 22h 55m 56s ago, saying: 'if i clicked on settings icon i can see close icon on the shortcuts but shortcuts doesn't appear'. | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: username mintux, he's connected now | 20:52 |
| Jaffa | Oh, just remembered it's MWKN night | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | GAN900: ping | 20:55 |
| Venemo_N900 | MWKN=? | 20:55 |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, Maemo WeeKly News | 21:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | messerting: bottomline is, uninstalling ogg-support and reinstalling it should fix the issue. | 21:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | thx MohammadAG | 21:00 |
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| messerting | andre__ and Venemo_N900: Sorry for disappearing - thanks for the replies! I will check the report and resinstall ogg-support I guess :) | 21:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | you're welcome messerting | 21:04 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | back in a bit! | 21:11 |
| Venemo_N900 | hello Noobmonkey_ :) | 21:11 |
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| messerting | I did "apt-get remove ogg-support", and that took away two other packages which I now have forgot the name of. Anyone knows where the log is? The scrollback history was too short... | 21:14 |
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| messerting | My /var/log/dpkg.log is empty | 21:15 |
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| thp | Jaffa: can you add the gpodder 2.10 announcement to mwkn if i write it before midnight? | 21:16 |
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| messerting | (Intrestingly, my /var/log/lastlog is more than 8 MB now...) | 21:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | messerting: huh, did you close the terminal since then? | 21:17 |
| messerting | Still have the terminal open, but not enough scrollback | 21:17 |
| messerting | when I removed the package(s), tracker started parsing my .ogg files... | 21:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | ouch | 21:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | well then go to http://maemo.org/packages | 21:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | search for ogg support and see what depends on it | 21:18 |
| messerting | So, there is no log? | 21:18 |
| messerting | okay, good idea | 21:18 |
| messerting | thank | 21:18 |
| messerting | s | 21:18 |
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| messerting | maemo-mapper was one of them :) | 21:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | I dunno what log woud provide this, sorry | 21:20 |
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| Venemo_N900 | nah, I arrived home | 21:24 |
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| Venemo_N900 | will be back soon | 21:24 |
| Venemo_N900 | bb | 21:24 |
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| messerting | Ah, at least my .ogg files are back in Media Player. Thanks Venemo_N900, kerio, alterego | 21:25 |
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| ynave | hello | 21:26 |
| ynave | MohammadAG: hye, what a big bug, same problem as yesterday :s | 21:26 |
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| Venemo | hey | 21:30 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: you can send me those screenshots now :) | 21:31 |
| Noobmonkey_ | back :) | 21:31 |
| Noobmonkey_ | and good timing lol | 21:31 |
| Venemo | :P | 21:31 |
| Venemo | yeah | 21:31 |
| Venemo | just got home | 21:31 |
| Noobmonkey_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&page=78 | 21:32 |
| Noobmonkey_ | they where taken a few days ago, so a bit has changed, but its not far off :) | 21:32 |
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| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: ok, I got a few thought about 'em | 21:34 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: interested? :P | 21:34 |
| Noobmonkey_ | yeah go for it :) | 21:35 |
| Venemo | first, I like the blue design, it looks nice | 21:35 |
| Venemo | then | 21:35 |
| Venemo | so this one seems to be full of graphics bugs: so this one seems to be full of gr | 21:35 |
| Venemo | ouch | 21:35 |
| Venemo | so this one seems to be full of graphics bugs: http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/60q1h432/Selection_009.png | 21:35 |
| Noobmonkey_ | ahh yeah | 21:36 |
| Noobmonkey_ | that one hasn't been sorted yet | 21:36 |
| Venemo | and this is also "not there yet": http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/6tma43gs/Selection_010.png | 21:36 |
| Venemo | I recommend to either use the actual theme in the device, or fully customize it | 21:36 |
| Venemo | but not inbetween | 21:36 |
| Noobmonkey_ | hehe i haven't added any styling to any list boxes yet | 21:36 |
| Venemo | yep, noticed :) | 21:36 |
| Noobmonkey_ | only to the labels and backgrounds :P | 21:37 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | got a way to go to sort out the hard ones :P | 21:37 |
| Venemo | and one more thing: http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/na6qjae6/Selection_015.png -> I have a much better dialog for you | 21:37 |
| Noobmonkey_ | theres a better dialog? - in built, or custom? | 21:37 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HeSimpleColorDialog.png | 21:37 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: it can have an "Advanced" button too | 21:37 |
| Noobmonkey_ | oooooo | 21:37 |
| Noobmonkey_ | thats snazzy! | 21:38 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: the advanced button allows for fully customized editing with this other dialog: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:HeColorDialog.png | 21:38 |
| Noobmonkey_ | cool! | 21:38 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: all you need to do is just add a library, include a header, and call a method | 21:38 |
| Noobmonkey_ | cool!!! :) | 21:38 |
| Noobmonkey_ | will take a look through! | 21:39 |
| Noobmonkey_ | thank you ! :) | 21:39 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras#Qt_integration | 21:39 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: for an example on how to call it, see http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/dialogs.cpp | 21:40 |
| Noobmonkey_ | :) | 21:40 |
| Noobmonkey_ | nice, and easy too :) ty! | 21:40 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: the final task is to add your app to this list: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras#List_of_applications_using_Hildon-Extras | 21:41 |
| Noobmonkey_ | hehe once i use it i will :P | 21:41 |
| Noobmonkey_ | still got alot to do and tidy up! | 21:41 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: okay :) | 21:41 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: you can also use the other stuff in it if you like 'em | 21:41 |
| Noobmonkey_ | yeah liking the about one :P | 21:42 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: that is also very easy to call | 21:42 |
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| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: another single method call from the same header file | 21:42 |
| Noobmonkey_ | yeah can see from your code! | 21:42 |
| Noobmonkey_ | V impressive, i like easy things! | 21:42 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: me too, that's why I made it easy :) | 21:43 |
| Noobmonkey_ | :P hehehe | 21:43 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: (I was the one who created the Qt bindings for them) | 21:43 |
| Noobmonkey_ | ahhhhhhhhhhh! :) :) :) | 21:43 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | continuity is a great thing :) | 21:43 |
| Noobmonkey_ | well done! | 21:43 |
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| Venemo | here is an example dialog with the about button | 21:44 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: http://kepfeltoltes.hu/view/100721/Screenshot-20100721-083929_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png | 21:44 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: what do you mean by continuity: | 21:44 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: ? | 21:44 |
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| Noobmonkey_ | I mean, allowing developers to use the same screens, "Maemo Continuity" therefore users know what things do in apps they haven't used :) | 21:45 |
| Noobmonkey_ | ie the about button, colour screens etc | 21:45 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: oh yeah :) | 21:45 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: it is a great thing, and this is a great UI | 21:45 |
| Venemo | Noobmonkey_: this is the very reason I contributed to the team | 21:46 |
| Noobmonkey_ | :D | 21:46 |
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| Venemo | nah, I'm off now... going to my favourite timesink :P | 21:48 |
| Venemo | (which is Starcraft 2) | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | a gamer :D | 21:49 |
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| Venemo | merlin1991: just a casual one :P | 21:50 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm off to my not so fav timesink | 21:50 |
| kerio | Venemo: did you watch dreamhack? | 21:50 |
| merlin1991 | crimping cables | 21:50 |
| kerio | ooh i want a crimper | 21:51 |
| kerio | :( | 21:51 |
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| MohammadAG | I want no cables | 21:54 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: http://i53.tinypic.com/chjig.jpg | 21:54 |
| kerio | is that steel | 21:54 |
| kerio | why do i only have plastic plugs :( | 21:54 |
| merlin1991 | got them for 14€ for 100 pices | 21:55 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, pong. | 22:03 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Just checking your availability rhis evening. I've just got in from lbt's... | 22:04 |
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| GAN900 | Jaffa, reasonably high. Just napped away the last 4 hours with a cold. | 22:06 |
| Jaffa | Sounds nice... | 22:07 |
| Jaffa | Apart from the cold bit | 22:07 |
| GAN900 | Hardest sleep I've ever had in my night | 22:08 |
| GAN900 | Er | 22:08 |
| GAN900 | Lucidity is, apparently, fleeting. | 22:08 |
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| GAN900 | Want to import from twitter, send me a link and I'll take it from there? | 22:08 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Will do once kids are in bed | 22:12 |
| GAN900 | Jaffa, OK. | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's clearly defined cases where you MUST use shielded plugs (steel) on both ends, and there's also clearly defined cases where you MUST use plastic unshileded plug at one end of cable (if you have any shielding braid in cable at all) | 22:17 |
| kerio | you really like rfc 11something huh | 22:18 |
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| kerio | i heard you like freenode so we disconnected your server so you reconnect to freenode | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway thanks for that, thought it's been me and my DSL | 22:24 |
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| kerio | oh, you run a freenode server? | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, but my server disconnected me :-P | 22:24 |
| kerio | heh | 22:27 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 22:40 |
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| zogg_ | hey | 22:50 |
| zogg_ | mwhy is channel not renamed to maem-r.i.p =) | 22:50 |
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| Venemo | kerio, I didn't what is it? | 22:56 |
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| kerio | big EU sc2 tournament with lots of international players | 22:58 |
| kerio | (including koreans) | 22:58 |
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| kerio | day9/d.apollo casted | 22:58 |
| kerio | lots of crazy games happened | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha, wikileaks.org "down" | 22:59 |
| kerio | worksforme | 22:59 |
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| nox- | not down, just `overloaded' | 23:01 |
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| kerio | well of course :) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I guess it's paricularly overloaded from German locations | 23:01 |
| nox- | http://www.guardian.co.uk/ | 23:02 |
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| Jaffa | GAN900: Link pasted. Not done anything to it yet | 23:02 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 23:03 |
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| messerting_ | Is this text over at http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/tips/calendar-and-contacts/ supposed to be a joke? | 23:12 |
| messerting_ | Under Linux it says "Connect directly to an Exchange (Outlook) server, ..." | 23:12 |
| alterego | I think they mean evolution. | 23:14 |
| doc|home | a lot of people look for exchange server compatibility... | 23:18 |
| doc|home | not sure if the n900 has it, does it? :/ | 23:18 |
| johnx | it does, AFAIK | 23:18 |
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| nox- | i think so too, but be aware that an exchange client also means the admin is `permitted' to remotely wipe your phone... | 23:21 |
| nox- | the exchange admin i mean | 23:21 |
| doc|home | hehe, true | 23:22 |
| doc|home | I wonder if *that* is supported | 23:22 |
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| johnx | yes, again, AFAIK | 23:23 |
| doc|home | damn | 23:23 |
| nox- | doc|home, i think its required by the `standard' | 23:23 |
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| doc|home | heh | 23:23 |
| doc|home | imap ftw | 23:23 |
| nox- | right | 23:23 |
| crashanddie | remote wipe isn't supported | 23:23 |
| nox- | oh? | 23:24 |
| blackthorne | can I change the "user" default name for my account? | 23:24 |
| crashanddie | MfE is in a pretty poor state | 23:24 |
| crashanddie | blackthorne: how so? | 23:24 |
| crashanddie | blackthorne: the user's name? or as in the login? | 23:24 |
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| blackthorne | For example, when I send SMS in the conversation | 23:25 |
| blackthorne | I see "user" as my contact name | 23:25 |
| blackthorne | or when I log in to IRC, "user" is the default nickname | 23:25 |
| johnx | you should be able to change your name in the Conversations app, but probably not in IRC | 23:27 |
| blackthorne | in the conversations, where? | 23:35 |
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| khertan_ | Hello | 23:41 |
| khertan_ | i got a strange error on Maemo with QMessageBox | 23:41 |
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| khertan_ | if i call it twice ... the UI seems freeze | 23:41 |
| khertan_ | someone already notice this problem ? | 23:41 |
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| crashanddie | khertan_: what do you mean call it twice? | 23:45 |
| khertan_ | two instance of QMessageBox | 23:45 |
| khertan_ | that are running at the same time | 23:45 |
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| crashanddie | so, QMessageBox box1; QMessageBox box2; box1.setText("Hello"); box2.setText("How are you?"); box1.exec(); box2.exec(); ? | 23:46 |
| khertan_ | exactly | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | haven't noticed an issue | 23:47 |
| khertan_ | on Maemo it s impossible to validate first or second ... | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | Qt 4.6? | 23:47 |
| khertan_ | PR1.3 so Qt4.7 | 23:47 |
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| crashanddie | What happens if you kill the first box before calling exec on the second one? | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | khertan_: { QMessageBox box1; box1.setText("Hello"); box1.exec(); } { QMessageBox box2; box2.setText("How are you?"); box2.exec(); } | 23:50 |
| alterego | Heh, the app thinks I've travelled .2 mi .. | 23:50 |
| crashanddie | (adding an additional scope layer, forcing the call to the destructor before going further) | 23:51 |
| khertan_ | crashanddie, i found the problem ... the second one was called in a QTimer.singleshot ... | 23:51 |
| khertan_ | it s funny that on Maemo it s a problem while it s not on a desktop | 23:52 |
| khertan_ | crashanddie, a reason why i like more and more pyqt : http://khertan.net/_media/khweeteur_on_xfce.png | 23:53 |
| khertan_ | :) | 23:53 |
| korhojoa | i heard someone complaining that it's cold, so i linked them this: http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EFHK.html | 23:53 |
| khertan_ | i just need to study now how libnotify works | 23:53 |
| korhojoa | what do you guys think, cold or not? | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | khertan_: i know, you posted the link earlier | 23:53 |
| khertan_ | ;à | 23:53 |
| khertan_ | :) | 23:53 |
| khertan_ | yeah but the current git version have less problem now :) | 23:54 |
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| crashanddie | korhojoa: I'm in the south of france, I strapped a digital thermometer to the outside of my vest (on the motorbike). Around midway I checked the temperature: -14C -- even though the outside air temperature is just around -1 or -2 | 23:55 |
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| crashanddie | khertan_: no, I meant link to the image | 23:55 |
| khertan_ | last year in january all electronics in my car wasn't working when i start it ... 10 minute latter the car's thermometer was blinking saying -30°C | 23:56 |
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| khertan_ | i do 20km and it was a real drift challenge | 23:57 |
| crashanddie | korhojoa: which really freaked me out, considering that wind chill factor usually isn't applicable to inanimate objects | 23:57 |
| khertan_ | currently external thermometers say -8°C | 23:58 |
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| crashanddie | khertan_: I'm happy I'm in not in Paris then :P | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | khertan_: back wheel of the bike keeps slipping out all the time, and it's barely freezing, can't imagine how bad it would be if we actually dipped under -5 or something | 23:59 |
| khertan_ | crashanddie, i'm in the north ... paris have less cold temp | 23:59 |
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| crashanddie | Tu parles ch'timi alors? | 23:59 |
| * ljp notices its only 23C outside... | 23:59 | |
| crashanddie | T'es dans le nord? | 23:59 |
| khertan_ | crashanddie, moi non mais ma femme oui :) | 23:59 |
| khertan_ | crashanddie, ouaip suis en picardie apres tout | 23:59 |
| crashanddie | ljp: aussie I take it? | 23:59 |
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