IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-11-29

crashanddieor kiwi?00:00
khertan_bon ok à seulement 200m du 77 (Seine et marne)00:00
ljpwell, in brissie00:00
crashanddiehah, right, we talked00:00
ljpbut for some reason the weather is stuck on 'chance of rain'00:01
khertan_crashanddie, yeah bike on ice is less funny than with a car00:01
johnxkhertan, it's funny as long as you're not the one on the bike00:03
alteregoApparently I've travelled 1 mile, whilst sitting on my sofa programming.00:03
johnxalterego, and you'll sell this secret for a low, low price00:03
crashanddiealterego: either the 2012 movie was right and tectonic plates are going mad, or there's something wrong?00:04
alteregoNo, just error ..00:04
khertan_johnx, also :)00:04
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johnxmmmm, ice driving :)00:06
crashanddieI've thought about buying ice skates00:06
johnxyou should just get some training wheels and some little mini-skis and hybridize them onto your bike00:07
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jo-erlend_is there any way to flip the desktop into portrait mode ?00:13
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khertan_turning head :)00:14
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johnxjo-erlend_, only in some apps00:17
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khertan_I like ohloh : Khweeteur project cost : $ 51,86800:21
khertan_if only i win 1% with it ... i ll be happy :)00:21
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crashanddiekhertan_: server I'm the product manager of has an estimated cost of $11M00:58
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trumeepoor pulseaudio performance in power kernel sucks.01:03
trumeeI suppose there are some PA patches in power kernel which makes it unusable.01:03
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SpeedEvilI'm looking for a userspace lightweight VPN type thing. Socks proxy on the far end, socks on the local end, and some means of putting the VPN over different connections by a command, as they go down/up. What should I be looking for?01:05
SpeedEvilAny suggestions?01:05
balrog-k1nhey, i'm running the stock n900 kernel with the stock userspace, what's the shortest way to set up usbnet?01:06
crashanddieSpeedEvil: ssh tunnel controlled by ICD2?01:06
crashanddieSpeedEvil: heck, even just a cron job to check if the SSH connection is alive will do01:07
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: I want the connections to persist over network changes01:07
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: will be very tricky over VPN -- they're far from stateless and require a reconnect upon route hcange01:08
Corsacmipv6 \o/01:08
SpeedEvilI don't want a proper VPN01:08
crashanddieSpeedEvil: vpn or ssh, anything not stateless won't survive a network change01:08
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SpeedEvilI know.01:09
crashanddieSpeedEvil: so unless you encapsulate the vpn-type connection over UDP or something, or intermittent TCP...01:09
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SpeedEvilComplications are that the connections are two ipv4 connections to the internet, and one cellular.01:11
crashanddieSpeedEvil: what's the use-case?01:11
balrog-k1nah, apparently there's an aptget package with all the modules for usbnet01:12
SpeedEvilI have two DSL connections that are somewhat unreliable, and one cell connection - the n900 that I use when they have died.01:12
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balrog-k1nthe only problem now is i first need to be online to download it01:12
CorsacSpeedEvil: miredo to the rescue!01:12
SpeedEvilUnfortunately, the logical solution - get my ISP to fix it - seems to be problematic - due to teh fact hat they die around midnignt.01:12
crashanddieSpeedEvil: other option: local daemon that manages three separate connections, and pushes data through the fastest connection available. When one connection falls, the other two connections are used to ensure the data is sent, server on the other side pipes everything from the three connection as if it is one01:13
crashanddieoverhead, probably 30-40% in traffic01:13
SpeedEvilcrashanddie: yes, I know there are complex VPN solutions that do 'everything' - I basically want something like ssh with socks that I can send a HUP when the default route goes away01:14
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SpeedEvilAlso - I don't have root on the far end, which disqualifis most of the solutions I find01:16
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DocScrutinizer51because you need root perm to open ports in range 0-100001:19
crashanddiedon't open up a port under 102401:19
alteregoqpwr :P01:19
alterego1024 even ..01:19
DocScrutinizer51so a proxy on user perms isn't really feasible01:19
crashanddie8080 is under 1024 now?01:19
crashanddiemy math sucks01:20
DocScrutinizer51who talked about 8080?01:20
SpeedEvilMost of the VPN solutions I find want kernel modules, or programs that require to run as root on the far end01:21
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: all of them will have to run as root01:22
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: or have kernel modules01:22
SpeedEviljacekowski: No, they don't.01:22
jacekowskithat's how linux networking work01:22
SpeedEvilNo, it's not.01:22
crashanddieyeah, opening a socket and writing to it demands root perms, woopdefuckingwoop01:23
jacekowskito create network interface01:23
SpeedEvilssh's socks proxy does all that I want, but does not support multiple connections between the ends.01:23
balrog-k1ni think you can create tap interfaces if you have the right permission on linux01:23
SpeedEvilAnd can run as user on both ends01:23
jacekowskithat's not vpn01:24
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jacekowskithat's tunelling01:24
SpeedEvilI know it's not.01:24
jo-erlend_my N900 keeps blinking white, but I can't find anything that it might try to call attention to. What does it mean?01:24
SpeedEviljo-erlend_: It means it's on.01:24
crashanddieSpeedEvil: would you not simply be able to check if the connection's alive an re-establish when required?01:24
SpeedEviljo-erlend_: you can turn this behaviour off in settings.01:24
jo-erlend_SpeedEvil, seriously? Can I deactivate that?01:24
jo-erlend_oh, great. Thanks.01:24
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SpeedEvilcrashanddie: yes, but I don't want connections to be broken when I switch.01:24
crashanddieSpeedEvil: too many restrictions01:25
SpeedEviljo-erlend_: It does not appreciably impact batery life, if that's what you were worried about. But I too find it annoying.01:25
crashanddieSpeedEvil: stateless, simple, practical -- pick two.01:25
SpeedEvilI don't want it to be stateless, I'm quite happy to have state in the two ends.01:26
DocScrutinizer51jo-erlend_: there's even LED pattern editor app01:26
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SpeedEvilssh - if it would reestbalish the channel on a signal - would 'just work' for example.01:27
SpeedEvilAnyway - thanks for the comments.01:27
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: isn't there some re-establish command for ssh(fs)?01:28
alteregouse autossh01:28
alteregoNot sure if it's available in extras01:29
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DocScrutinizer51probably not...01:34
SpeedEvilThat is a very, very silly suggestion that might actually work.01:34
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SpeedEvilBut, I think that pushing tor traffic over my n900 might cause my ISP to become upset with me.01:35
alteregoWhat are you actually trying to do?01:35
SpeedEvilAlso, it may cause it to melt.01:35
SpeedEvilI want a random oddly-implemented chat protocol to continue to work over network connection changes.01:35
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jo-erlend_SpeedEvil, I don't care about batterylife. It's just annoying to be notified of completely obvious things.01:36
SpeedEvilThere is no bouncer available for this client.01:36
DocScrutinizer51what's obvious abot a black dead N900 actually being up and running?01:36
SpeedEvilYou can see it in your RF vision.01:37
SpeedEvilIt glows at 32KHz01:37
DocScrutinizer51hi gordy01:37
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jo-erlend_DocScrutinizer, well, I tend to actually use my phone. I know how much battery life is left and I know that I haven't turned it off. There might be a chance that it crashes, but other than that, I expect it to always be on. I don't need it to notify me every ten seconds or so.01:38
jo-erlend_if I could have it notify me when it was _off_, then that would've been great.01:39
DocScrutinizer51so settings > notification light   is where you want to stop by01:40
trumeeDocScrutinizer, how is your cpu usage during sip call with power kernel?01:40
DocScrutinizer51nfc, no power kernel here01:41
DocScrutinizer51not yet01:41
SpeedEviltrumee: over wifi/3g/usbnet/PAN01:41
trumeei need a kernel with NAT support, do i have any other choice apart from power kernel?01:42
trumeeSpeedEvil, wifi01:42
DocScrutinizer51also my sip service broke some time ago on N900 - can't selesct it anymore for outbound - and I have no idea how to fix01:42
DocScrutinizer51trumee: afaik nope. you need pk01:43
trumeeDocScrutinizer, pulseaudio eats 20% more cpu in pk compared to stock.01:43
trumeeso sip is unusable in pk for me. i was so excited to use N900 as a usb router in pk. But PA cpu usage was a big letdown :(01:44
trumeeSpeedEvil, you run pk?01:45
DocScrutinizer51I don't get it how pk can have such PA CPU hog01:45
alteregoProbably cpu governer01:46
DocScrutinizer51good point01:46
trumeeThe total cpu usage is abouting 60% in pk compared to 40% in stock during a sip call.01:46
DocScrutinizer5120% of what cpu clock?01:46
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DocScrutinizer51the cpu percentage is largely meaningles without cpufreq01:47
trumeeDocScrutinizer, no idea. i didnt do any OC, everything stock here.01:47
DocScrutinizer51nevertheless governor might clock pk lower, so dutycicle on cpu gets higher01:48
marmoutekerio: wrong channel ?01:49
DocScrutinizer5120%@500 == 40%25001:49
trumeeDocScrutinizer, how do i disable cpu giverner in pk or atleast make it the same as stock kernel.01:49
DocScrutinizer51"o idea01:49
DocScrutinizer51you probably don't want to disable anyway01:50
marmoutekerio: sorry, lagging behind of several days01:50
* SpeedEvil knows that feeling.01:50
trumeeDocScrutinizer, right. so how do i find current freq, cat /proc/cpuinfo?01:50
DocScrutinizer51hmm, something along that line01:51
SpeedEviltrumee: it's in /sys/something/cpu/cpufreq/whatever01:51
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SpeedEvil /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/01:52
trumeeSpeedEvil, thanks found it01:54
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blackthornei'm trying to watch a real media file02:04
blackthorneit opens but it's slow02:04
blackthornewould you give me some tips on how to free some memory and cpu and make this video flow better?02:04
blackthornein N90002:04
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SpeedEvilIt may be that it's simply CPU bound.02:13
SpeedEvilHowever - look at installing cpu-applet02:13
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[Sergiu]iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.02:13
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[Sergiu]how can i resolve this?:|02:13
SpeedEvilread the manpage for iptables>?02:14
SpeedEvilWhat is calling iptables?02:14
[Sergiu]-A INPUT -p tcp -s -n 895 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT02:14
[Sergiu]"-A INPUT -p tcp -s --dport 895 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT"02:15
[Sergiu]this is correct :)02:15
[Sergiu]and on n900 this say.. "no chain/target/bla"02:15
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SpeedEvilRight - so there is either no chain, or no target, or no match02:16
SpeedEvilYou probably have an input chain,02:17
SpeedEvilso it's not that02:17
SpeedEvilcheck that all of the elements in the specification are supported by loaded modules or the existing configuration02:17
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[Sergiu]i`m not linux master :)02:17
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[Sergiu]but,on my centos box command is correct...i dont know wath's worng on n90002:18
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SpeedEvilSorry - I'd have to study the manpage a bit and have a play to get that working02:20
[Sergiu]uhm,ok :<02:21
SpeedEviliptables -L on the centos box02:21
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[Sergiu]ACCEPT     tcp  --           anywhere            tcp dpt:895 state NEW02:24
[Sergiu]that's wath i want..02:24
[Sergiu]i want to close all ports and accept only 895 from
SpeedEvilthat won't quite do that02:25
SpeedEvilyou can't have an accept rule, without a reject rule02:25
SpeedEvilwell - you can02:25
[Sergiu]reject rules running oK on n90002:25
[Sergiu]accept rule no :|02:25
SpeedEvilThe various rules are implemented by kernel modules02:26
SpeedEvilyou have to have the kernel module loaded, or compiled in, before you can use it02:26
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[Sergiu]since going to close all ports, I suppose I should go and open 895's, probably should be reworded somehow command ..02:29
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[Sergiu]sorry,for my bad english,i use G translator :))02:29
DocScrutinizeriptables rules aren't exactly trivial. Especially a single rule doesn't say anything without the context, which is other rules plus basic config02:32
DocScrutinizerso probably on your centos you got some predefined rules and configs that match this rule you are trying, while on N900 those are missing or defined differently02:33
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[Sergiu]defined differently,i think..02:35
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DocScrutinizeriptables -L INPUT02:46
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DocScrutinizeroh, SpeedEvil said that :-)03:09
lolloohow can I ma e download bandwidth on N900 higher?03:12
lolloowhen I download its only 15kbps03:13
DocScrutinizer[Sergiu]: -m state should try to modprobe a module aiui03:13
lolloobut I have over 8mbit wireless03:13
lolloohow can I use it on my N900?03:13
lolloohow can remove the limit of my download speed?03:14
DocScrutinizer[Sergiu]: man iptables; / *state$03:14
lollooit's limited 15kbps03:14
SpeedEvillolloo: It's possible you are having probnelms with wifi powersaving.03:15
SpeedEvilSome routers do not peoperly implement it.03:16
SpeedEvilI assume you mean wifi?03:16
DocScrutinizer[Sergiu]: Possible states are ... NEW meaning that the packet has started a new connection...03:16
DocScrutinizer[Sergiu]: which possibly isn't exactly what you thought and wanted anyway03:16
lollooso what do you think I should do?03:17
lolloohow do I stop powersaving?03:17
SpeedEvilGo to settings - internet connections - select your connection, and tehn page through tot the end of settings, where you can turn wifi powersave off03:17
DocScrutinizerdoes that mean it fixed your issue?03:18
DocScrutinizerI doubt, regarding the RTT03:19
lollooneed testing.. not yet hehe03:19
DocScrutinizeryou found the PS setting anyway?03:19
lollooyes I did03:19
DocScrutinizerset it to "none"03:20
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DocScrutinizeror "off" or whatever that's in your locale03:21
lollootrue its off here03:22
DocScrutinizerwhile you're there you can check the power one above is set to 10mW03:22
lollooshall I set it 100mw03:23
DocScrutinizernope, usually that's useless03:23
DocScrutinizeryou should check your channel which the AP selected isn't contaminated by other stations on same or a nearby channe03:24
DocScrutinizerwhen your neighbour has an AP on 1 or 2 channels up/down of yours, there can be severe interferences that cause bandwidth to go thru the floor03:25
lolloogood point!03:25
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SpeedEvilOr a microwave oven.03:26
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DocScrutinizerwifiEye - excellent to estimate channel contamination03:40
lolloois that in app manager?03:41
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lolloohow is it?03:45
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Termanagood morning03:49
lolloogood morning03:49
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DocScrutinizerlolloo: all idiots having a party on chan 1 now? o.O03:54
DocScrutinizerI once chosen chan3 as it was the cleanest03:54
DocScrutinizernowit seems chan12 is almost empty, as everybody loves chan1 now03:55
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DocScrutinizerdoesn't look plausible to me03:55
iluminator101hey guys, I am looking for a timer app for n900 any suggestions thanks in advance03:55
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DocScrutinizerhmm, there are several timers and tea/egg-watches03:56
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DocScrutinizerdepends on what you're looking for. Alarmed is usually best you can get03:57
DocScrutinizerno shiny simple GUI, but can do all cron-alike things and more03:58
DocScrutinizerit's no stopwatch though03:58
DocScrutinizerI's just ok for setting up the reminder of your wedding day, your next dentist appointment, and automate the daily backup run04:00
DocScrutinizerswitching profile to silent at 22:30, and back to normal when the mp3 player kicks your ass out of bed next day04:00
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DocScrutinizerwell, it has no snooze (me makes a note to file an omprovement request)04:01
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Macerhm. anybody know why mobilehotspot is broken?04:18
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Macerdpkg: error processing mobilehotspot (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 25504:21
iluminator101what about an easy to use media player that can do playlist something like qmms04:22
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Macercat: write error: No space left on device04:27
Macerno space left on device to install power kernel04:27
johnx that sucks04:28
Macerpr1.3 is such a friggin regression04:28
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wmaronehow so?04:29
Macer /tmp keeps filling up04:29
wmaronehaven't hit that one yet, what's causing it?04:29
Macerwho knows. never had these stupid problems with 1.204:30
Macernot to mention apps that no longer work04:30
Maceri cant remember if the cam is broken with power kernel 4204:31
wmaronewouldn't that be a bug in power kernel?04:31
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balrog-k1nhey, how do i tell maemo that i'm already connected and don't want it to try to connect wirelessly when i open the browser or do anything else?04:36
DocScrutinizerthat's a 'bug' in fcam drivers not matching the pk04:36
balrog-k1noptimally i want it to power down the wireless to save power04:37
DocScrutinizerand yeah, a proper pre-install script should check for sufficient free space on storage04:37
DocScrutinizerbalrog-k1n: that's a bit fuzzy a question, anyway I suppose you mean you have a connection set up that's not using the maemo connection manager (the name of which I can't recall right now - must be Freud)04:39
DocScrutinizerin this case prepare to run into some pitfalls04:39
balrog-k1nDocScrutinizer: yeah, i had to set it up manually because it doesn't seem the connection manager would let me just connect over usb like every other device i use :)04:39
DocScrutinizerafaik there's no clean solution to that problem04:40
balrog-k1npalm's webos is clever enough not to ask you to connect until it gets a "no route to host" or something04:40
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DocScrutinizerI'm not sure how PC Connectivity Manager is handling this, and if it works on maemo4 or even on maemo504:44
Termanabalrog-k1n, make sure you have done a route add04:45
DocScrutinizeranyway to me the UI looks like it's the most integrated way to deal with USB networking04:45
TermanaDocScrutinizer: I'm pretty sure when he says "connection manager" he means the N900's connection manager not the "PC Connectivity Manager" (what even is that? Some kind of Windows software?)04:46
balrog-k1nperhaps there is a n900 UI for setting up USB networking?04:46
DocScrutinizerTermana: aiui it's not the problem of a missing route that would stop connectivity all together. It's the maemo connection manager *thinks* it's not online and asks to crank up wifi or GPRS despite there *is* a path to internet04:46
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balrog-k1nTermana: ifup should have done the route add part for me04:47
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DocScrutinizerbalrog-k1n: check HAM for PC connectivity manager04:47
balrog-k1nit seems to work because i can access google from the command line, only can't do anything in the maemo's browser because it thinks i'm not connected04:47
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TermanaDocScrutinizer: when I used ofono in a chroot I had the same problem, fixing route fixed it04:48
DocScrutinizerit's like KNetworkManager telling all the netowrk apps like konqueror and Kontact etc to go to offline mode, despite you have set up a NIC with ifconfig and route04:49
pupnik  pray for your enemies...04:50
DocScrutinizeryou are connected to internet, but the system isn't aware of it04:50
Termanabalrog-k1n, actually, does it pop open the connection list when you try and use the browser or does it just sit there?04:50
Termana(sit there looking like it's trying to load)04:50
balrog-k1nDocScrutinizer: oh, i'm back to square one, i went to the app manager to look for the PC connectivity manager you mentioned but app manager wants me to connect to internet first :)04:51
balrog-k1nTermana: it pops up the wireless connections list04:51
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balrog-k1nDocScrutinizer: thanks, i'll try it out05:01
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DocScrutinizerup to you05:13
DocScrutinizeras I said above, I never came to testing it05:13
DocScrutinizerIt just *looks* kinda good05:14
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pupnikwhat's news DocScrutinizer05:20
pupnikelectric heaters are addictive05:21
* SpeedEvil bemoans the lack of small water-water heat-pumps.05:26
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johnxSpeedEvil, how small?05:35
pupnikjust sitting here blasting my feet05:37
pupnikall's well with the world05:37
SpeedEviljohnx: About 0.5Kwe05:37
SpeedEvilmaybe 105:37
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luke-jrwhy doesn't every CPU have 100 cores yet?05:42
SpeedEvilPeltiers blow hard when it comes to Coefficient of Performance05:42
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DocScrutinizerdepending on what you need them for, they for sure are the better electric heaters for example05:44
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luke-jrSpeedEvil: I have no trouble writing massively multithreaded servers05:52
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luke-jrby that I mean 20-25 threads on average ;)05:54
luke-jrcould easily get up to 50 here I think05:54
luke-jr(at any given instant)05:54
SpeedEvilyes - compared to resistive, they are good.05:54
SpeedEvilBut compared to 'proper' heatpumps which get a gain of 505:54
DocScrutinizerhmm, 15W input, 8.5W thermal pump equiv. looks like factor 1.605:58
DocScrutinizerreally not great05:59
pupnikisn't that dependent on the temperature gradient?05:59
cehtehmhm coolchips seem never get a real product out05:59
DocScrutinizerthat's at 0 delta-T05:59
cehtehi watch them since many years ... but no progress06:00
SpeedEvilAt a usable gradient - say 20C - they're even worse.06:00
DocScrutinizerI max - Current resulting in greatest ΔT of TE micro cooler06:00
DocScrutinizer U max - Voltage of TE micro cooler at ΔT max06:00
DocScrutinizer ΔT max - Maximum temperature difference of TE micro cooler06:00
DocScrutinizer Q max - Maximum heat pumping capacity of TE micro cooler (I=I max, ΔT=0)06:00
luke-jrcehteh: from the site, I'd say they look like patent trolls06:01
SpeedEvilYou need to find a datasheet with graphs.06:01
luke-jrthey get enough figured out to make a probable patent, but never finish06:01
luke-jrwhen someone else finishes it, they demand royalties06:01
cehtehor they just cant realize it06:02
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cehtehburning venture capital06:02
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pupniklol @ wikileaks06:10
JakDaRippadon't know much about linux, but i just finished installing debian in an old box, plugged in my n900 via usb and...nothing. wtf???06:10
pupnikJakDaRippa: nothing is supposed to happen06:11
johnxJakDaRippa, try and be specific. what did you expect to happen?06:11
pupnikunless you mount the device06:11
JakDaRippai want to use something like a file explorer06:11
johnxalso, if you don't know much about linux, debian might not be the best distro for you unless you're ready to read and learn06:11
luke-jrJakDaRippa: ugly06:11
JakDaRippai want to trade pics between my pc and my n90006:11
luke-jrJakDaRippa: use wifi06:12
luke-jrUSB is for charging06:12
JakDaRippai'm ready to read and learn06:12
johnxJakDaRippa, great. what desktop environment are you using?06:12
cehtehhehe .. i am happily disabled the usb mounting dialog .. only charging06:12
pupnikJakDaRippa: well i first scan for new devices with  cat /proc/partitions06:12
luke-jrJakDaRippa: …06:12
johnxJakDaRippa, and what file manager?06:12
luke-jrJakDaRippa: install KDE06:13
pupnikthen i'll see something like    8       17     491520 sdb1.... so then i mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb06:13
cehtehJakDaRippa: did the device pop up some dialog about if you want storage mode oder pc-suite?06:13
johnxok. you probably don't have any kind of auto volume management setup06:13
JakDaRippai think it's sdb06:13
cehtehthats good!06:13
* cehteh hates this automatics06:13
pupnikthen i copy files from n900 to pc with cp /media/usb/home/user/something/* .06:13
johnxcehteh, fair enough. you're the perfect person to help him then :)06:14
luke-jrJakDaRippa: fyi, both N900 and your PC can't access pics at the same time06:14
luke-jrJakDaRippa: so if you DO mount over USB, N900 won't have access anymore to it06:14
luke-jrbut seriously, just go over wifi06:15
cehtehopen a console and type    man man  ... all the rest is self explanatory .. come back in 2-5 years if you have still problems :)06:15
JakDaRippait was sdb and i was able to mount it to /mnt/nokia :-)06:17
pupnikcool JakDaRippa - well there should be a couple of different partitions visible as sdb1 sdb2 ...06:18
* luke-jr wonders why JakDaRippa installed Debian06:18
pupnikto have fun with linux?06:18
luke-jrN900 seems more Windows-friendly than Linux-friendly really06:18
JakDaRippai want to learn linux and i'm getting sick if bsod06:18
luke-jrdoes Windows still have BSOD?06:18
JakDaRippano, but it still freezes06:19
pupniki read "getting sick of BSD"06:19
luke-jri c06:19
* luke-jr hasn't used Windows in about 8 years06:19
cehtehluke-jr: yes, its really pita, actice-sync, exchange stuff .. but no imap idle and other things one expect as unixian06:19
luke-jrcehteh: meh, KDE doesn't have proper IMAP IDLE either06:19
JakDaRippai've used linux for about 8 minutes06:20
cehtehok claws hasnt either but thunderbird has06:20
cehtehwhile it makes more sense on a mobile device imo06:20
pupnikJakDaRippa: one "file explorer" some people like to use is 'thunar'06:20
* cehteh uses 'ls'06:21
johnxand I think you can use xfce w/ fluxbox and get a little bit of both. have fluxbox manage windows and let xfce provide panels and file manager06:21
luke-jrcehteh: Thunderbird is a Windows app06:21
johnxit's still pretty lightweight06:21
JakDaRippatrying to learn the cli way06:21
cehtehsome hardcore ppl use 'echo *'   :)06:21
pupnikwtg JakDaRippa06:21
JakDaRippals seems to work just fine06:21
pupnik"ls" works everywhere.06:21
luke-jrpupnik: not so06:21
luke-jr'ls' fails on stale NFS handle mountpoints06:22
johnxJakDaRippa, hats off to you, sir :D06:22
johnxJakDaRippa, are you focusing on servery stuff or just planning to go totally CLI for "desktop" use? following a guide/howto or just googling like mad?06:26
balrog-k1nDocScrutinizer51: thanks for the forum link.  i went to a wiki page from there that explains how to make the init scripts automatically notify the connectivity daemons that we're now connected, or disconnected, through d-bus06:27
JakDaRippamostly alot of google06:27
balrog-k1nhaven't tried it yet, but it looks like it should work06:27
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JakDaRippathere's a ton of info to find most anything i'm trying to do06:28
JakDaRippapatience + reading + trial and error (and error, and error) seem to be working out for me06:29
johnxJakDaRippa, I'm trying to remember stuff that I wish people told me when I first started but assumed I had already known. interested?06:29
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DocScrutinizerjohnx: like 'never use "<cmd>" to get info about some command, rather always use "<cmd> --help" '06:36
johnxheh. didn't think of that, but yeah06:36
johnxalso, apparently if you write a long post into pastebin, firefox will hang hilariously06:36
JakDaRippai was wondering what happened06:37
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DocScrutinizerJakDaRippa: USB is a mere PITA. I use WLAN with a AP in managed mode, have DHCP in that router set up to assign a fixed IP to N900, added " N900" to my /etc/hosts, installed and configured ssh server to N900, and now I do in konqueror: "sftp://root@n900/" - have a bookmark for that06:39
johnxah, CLI alternatives are: sftp / scp / sshfs06:40
johnxsshfs is *awesome*06:40
johnx(and when it times out can be easily killed off, unlike nfs ...)06:40
DocScrutinizerbut also a bit clumsy06:40
JakDaRippai've done ssh, but never heard of sshfs06:40
JakDaRippagot some reading to do06:41
johnxit "mounts" an fs over ssh using FUSE06:41
johnxsome stuff to get you started06:41
DocScrutinizeron sshfs? o.O06:41
DocScrutinizernot exactly the best starting point06:41
JakDaRippashould i 'apt-get install sshfs' ?06:41
johnxDocScrutinizer, hmm, just general things I was typing up before06:41
johnx<- multi-tasking06:42
DocScrutinizerJakDaRippa: you got ssh metapackage client&server installed?06:42
DocScrutinizeron N90006:42
DocScrutinizerfine :-)06:42
JakDaRippai'm logged into this box right now06:42
DocScrutinizeryou got WLAN?06:42
johnxah, and apt: install apt-file, then you can apt-file search $cmd_that_isnt_installed06:43
DocScrutinizeryou got the IP of N900?06:43
DocScrutinizerso try in konqueror addr input: "sftp://root@<IP-of-N900>"06:44
DocScrutinizerit's awesome comfortable - you can even rightclick files and open with any app, like kate etc (on KDE, no idea if fluxbox does that too)06:46
JakDaRippaError encountered while talking to ssh.06:46
johnxsftp installed?06:47
DocScrutinizeroh, on PC06:47
johnx(I mean it should be, but i dunno)06:48
JakDaRippainstalling it now06:48
DocScrutinizerif ssh is there, sftp should as well06:48
DocScrutinizerI'd guess06:48
JakDaRippassh is on n900, not on pc06:48
johnxJakDaRippa, and you know about tab-completion on the CLI, right?06:48
JakDaRippanot yet anyway06:48
JakDaRippai like that06:48
johnxjust checking. I've seen some people do the most painful damn things since they don't know about tab-complete or 'up' or ctrl+r06:49
DocScrutinizeryou know about alt-. for fetching last argument?06:49
johnxI don't :)06:49
JakDaRippano, i don't06:49
JakDaRippaE. Package sftp has no installation candidate06:50
DocScrutinizersftp is in pkg ssh06:50
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JakDaRippaah, but i need to start it06:50
DocScrutinizererr nope06:50
DocScrutinizernot on client side06:50
JakDaRippanope already started06:51
DocScrutinizeron server side (here N900) sshd handles sftp calls06:51
johnxso, make sure you can ssh and sftp to the N900 from the CLI06:51
JakDaRippai'm in06:52
DocScrutinizerssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root <IP-of-N900>06:52
JakDaRippawait...i can ssh06:52
JakDaRippanot sftp from konqueror06:53
DocScrutinizernow I'd say try sftp from cli06:53
DocScrutinizersftp --help for a start06:53
JakDaRippa-sh: sftp://root@ not found06:54
JakDaRippai was trying from with ssh06:55
JakDaRippaok, now it STILL doesn't work06:55
DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> sftp  root@IroN90006:56
DocScrutinizerConnecting to IroN900...06:56
DocScrutinizer(I got a ssh key on N900 - so no password dialog)06:57
johnxand you can 'ls' once in with sftp?06:57
johnxah, sorry, missed who I was responding to :)06:58
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johnxhooking up video stuff and looking at IRC from time to time :)06:58
JakDaRippait looks as if sftp isn't installed on the pc06:59
JakDaRippais it possible to have ssh installed with out sftp?06:59
DocScrutinizerthat's what I just wonder07:00
johnxon debian, if you installed ssh, sftp should come along with it07:00
johnxls /usr/bin/sftp07:00
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johnxsftp root@$192.168.0.xxx07:01
johnxwhere that xxx is the right one for your N90007:01
DocScrutinizerno $ !07:02
JakDaRippai got it07:03
DocScrutinizersftp> ?07:04
JakDaRippai was trying sftp://root@
DocScrutinizernah, that's for konqueror07:04
JakDaRippadidn't need ://07:04
johnx:// means "this is a URL"07:05
DocScrutinizeron commandline it's <command> <parameters> always, where <command> here is sftp07:05
johnxgenerally you feed a URL to a program, not just type it straight into the term07:05
johnxsorry about the $. I was about to type $IP_of_nokia but thought that would be confusing :)07:05
johnx$foo is a variable in bash, and lots of people use it in instructions where it means "fill in the right thing in your case"07:06
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JakDaRippathis is way cooler than trying it the usb way07:06
DocScrutinizeryou bet07:06
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JakDaRippaand i can do this from anywhere07:06
JakDaRippanot just home07:06
DocScrutinizernow try sftp://root@ in konqueror's address input07:06
JakDaRippado i have to disconnect from cli ?  or will it take simultaneous connections>07:07
DocScrutinizerit will take hundereds of concurrent connections07:08
JakDaRippaoh this is great!07:08
johnxwait until you try sshfs from the CLI :)07:08
johnxit can be clunky sometimes, but it's pretty awesome07:08
JakDaRippai can see now that i'm going to be up all night with this and late to work tomorrow07:09
johnxdo you work in IT?07:09
JakDaRippano, i wish07:09
johnxwell, a love of this stuff and genuine interest is a start :)07:10
DocScrutinizerJakDaRippa: well, now you actually can *share* pictures between N900 and PC07:11
JakDaRippadoing it right now07:11
JakDaRippaused the 'get' command07:11
DocScrutinizeroh, you're still on cmdline sftp?07:12
DocScrutinizertry konqueror!07:12
JakDaRippai have that opened too07:13
JakDaRippawow. a ton more folders07:13
DocScrutinizerI guess in konqueror you can not only copy and delete your files/pictures, you probably even can view them07:14
JakDaRippai think i need to hide the hidden folders again07:14
DocScrutinizernot sure you really want to do that. N900 has a few hidden folders that are really braindamaged by concept07:15
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DocScrutinizere.g sftp://root@iron900/home/user/MyDocs/.images07:16
DocScrutinizeror .documents, same place07:17
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DocScrutinizerin holdon filemanager and file selection dialogs that becomes N900/Pictures and N900/Documents07:18
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DocScrutinizerI hear he's amazed07:20
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JakDaRippai just copied a movie to the phone. it looks amazing07:21
DocScrutinizerwell, probably it's time for a backup :-D07:22
johnxhuh, I should integrate my N900 into my rsnapshot backups ...07:22
DocScrutinizeralso be aware when you copy files under root account to N900, you may not be able to access them on the N900 - you're 'user' there07:23
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JakDaRippanothing chmod +ax can't handle07:24
DocScrutinizerso you might want to change the file permissions of those files to "others allowed to read/write"07:24
johnxor setup access as user07:24
DocScrutinizereven better07:24
johnxeither make a password for user or setup access by public key07:24
DocScrutinizerthe latter the better here07:24
JakDaRippai'll try that tomorrow. g/f is getting pissed i won't come to bed. g'nite all and thanx07:25
johnxJakDaRippa, 'night07:26
DocScrutinizerpasswd user07:26
DocScrutinizerdone for sftp://user@N90007:26
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DocScrutinizerfor ssh-key you just need to copy over the public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys07:27
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Maceri give up on mobilehotspot08:01
Maceri almost feel like downgrading to 1.208:01
Macerthings seem to have gotten worse in 1.3... nokia should have just left it abandoned when they sai08:02
Macerthey were making meego08:02
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Jay_BEEis Ovi Suite written in Qt?08:06
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Macercam doesnt work with the power kernel08:06
Macerand mobilehotspot is broken08:06
Macerlet me try the bt dun scripts08:07
Jay_BEE[22:06]<Macer>cam doesnt work with the power kernel  <--- works fine with me.. i'm using .45 pk... perhaps you need to upgrade the fcam drivers08:07
Macerhm. maybe?08:08
Maceri just gave up. all i want to do is tether08:08
Jay_BEEthe fcam drivers that come with blessn900 will not work... there's a link somewhere in the forums for the newer ones08:08
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Jay_BEEwhat problem are you having with mobilehotspot?08:09
MacerJay_BEE: just fails.. thought it might be the modules it installs but didnt work on it much just yet08:09
Macerkind of got sidetracked with the broken cam with the power kernel08:09
Jay_BEEadmittedly mobilehotspot too is not working for me... I'm able to start it but oddly I'm prompted for a password when I do.. i'm on T-Mobile (USA)08:11
Macerme too08:11
Maceri am going to try bt dun08:11
Macerbut am unsure how to use it08:11
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Maceri am looking for instructions now08:12
Maceri would rather use bt anyways... less power than wifi08:12
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Macerwell. seems simple enough. let me see if i can bt tether a macbook08:17
TermanaIf it doesn't work it's the Macbook's fault08:17
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DHRI'm trying to set up my n800 after flashing.  I want some SDK packages so I'd like to add the sdk and tools repos.  This page says to use to install those.  Unfortunately, that link is broken.08:23
DHR1) how do I report this problem?  Is there a replacement?08:23
DHR(oh, that was 2 too)08:24
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DhraakellianI really need to change my highlights regex08:32
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pcfeWhich file determines the placement of icons and widgets on the desktops in maemo5? (I want to edit it directly so that my icons are aligned, doing this with stylus is a PITA)08:49
Maceroh hell yeah08:49
Macergot the bt dun going08:49
Macerthat'll work :)08:49
Macerwhat is the speed on the bt dun?08:49
pcfeless than what 3G gives you08:50
Macerwell. i'm in chicago... 3G on tmob kind of sucks regardless08:50
pcfeI'd have to dig out the exact numbers though08:50
Macerespecially where i am. for some reason it goes incredibly slow08:50
Macerisn't the dun bt 2.0?08:50
Maceri thought it was like.. 11mb08:51
pcfeAh OK, I am in Finland. If it's less than 3mbit in a populated area sth is wrong and if it's less than 7mbit in city center then also sth is wrong, guess we're spoiled08:51
pupnikDHR you don't want to use an .install tool for commandline tools08:51
pcfeThe nominal rate of EDR is about 3 Mbit/s, although the practical data transfer rate is 2.1 Mbit/s.[08:52
pcfefrom wikipedia08:52
Macer2.1 is good enough08:52
Macerlet me try downloading something and see what i get :)08:52
Maceri would think that bt could keep up with the 3G connection tho08:52
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Maceri forget what bt dun is rated .. but i could have sworn it was 11mbit08:52
Macerbut i could be wrong08:52
Macernot even sure what kind of bt the n900 uses but i would assume it is a recent revision08:53
Macerwow.. i am capping out at like 32KB/s08:55
Macerthat is horrible08:55
Maceroh wait.. it just kind of picked up :)08:55
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Macerok.. i just found the sweet spot ... al about propagation lol08:56
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Macerhm.. i'm hitting like 135K/s .. that isn't bad at all08:57
Macerblah. it just died on me :)08:58
Macerah well... let me try out filezilla08:59
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Macerah well .. at least this works on my macbook :)09:05
Macergood enough for me09:05
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pupnikwhatever happened to that dude who came here working on speeding up pulseaudio09:07
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Maceri am sure he moved onto android or something else that will be around in a year09:08
Macerwell.. "be around" is a bad choice of words09:08
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Maceri guess filezilla doesn't support connecting with keys?09:11
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DHRmacer: I didn't actually want to use a command line tool.  I wanted to use the GUI stuff (typing is an effort on the n800).09:27
DHRbut I admit: my goal is to install less(1), clearly a command line tool.09:27
DHRIt seems to be like pulling teeth.  I'm not there yet.09:28
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MacerDHR: heh for?09:40
Maceri am still pissed i can't get my bt keyboard to autoconnect and work correctly when it worked so well on my n81009:41
Macerwhat a let down09:41
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Macercan't seem to get this macbook to connect to my ddwrt pptp vpn09:50
Macerand now it's kind of stuck :)09:50
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DHRless(1) is what I'm used to.  more(1) isn't good enough.09:51
DHRpptp?  That's not very secure.09:51
DHRmy BT keyboard now works with my n800.09:51
DHRIf I remember correctly, pptp security was broken about a decade ago.09:52
Macerdhr.. i never had a problem with my n800 or my n81009:53
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Macerthe n900 is crapy tho. there are bt hid scripts but they are not very stable... and almost impossible to get working properly. then the mappings ae off.. such as.. i can only get my keyboard to work properly when i have it open09:53
Macerthen when i close it and open it again it loses the mappings.. on the n800 or n810 i could just use it09:53
Macerit was simple09:53
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DHRI typed "~" according to my keyboard, but got "*".09:54
Macerwhen i filed a bug related to this it was closed due to the fact that my description wasn't good enough...09:54
Macerand all the bug request was "in maemo5 on the n810 bluetooth keyboards would connect and work automatically. please add this feature to maemo 5" :)09:54
Maceri mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the request was.. but the bug people for maemo were such snobs09:55
DHRI don't have anything Maemo 5 so I don't know how similar the plumbing is.09:55
Maceranyways .. i have to reboot this macbook and try to get the vpn working09:55
DHRgood luck.  Good night.09:55
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JaffaMorning, all10:25
Termanamorning Jaffa10:28
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JaffaTermana: Ironic, considering he's allergic to milk ;-)10:30
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auenfargh, www2sms is broken on PR1.3?10:34
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crashanddie_morning Termana, Jaffa10:44
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khertanMorning all11:00
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khertan kernel:[639836.220608] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP11:17
khertan kernel:[639836.220837] Code: 86 28 01 00 00 48 8b b8 c0 20 00 00 48 83 c7 48 e8 48 fd 70 e0 3b 6c 24 24 7e 14 89 ee 48 c7 c7 68 0d c2 a0 31 c0 e8 43 ec 70 e0 <0f> 0b eb fe 48 83 c4 28 31 c0 5b 5d 41 5c 41 5d 41 5e 41 5f c311:17
khertanshould i panic ?11:17
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maybeWTFyour kernel may already have done that for you11:19
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pupnik<Re: Wikileaks> "Such disclosures put at risk our diplomats, intelligence professionals, and people around  the world who come to the United States for assistance in promoting democracy and open government."-robert gibbs11:26
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chem|stpupnik: current case or just to let us know (quiet old quotation it seems to be)11:33
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khertanmaybeWTF, the kernel didn't panic :)11:35
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crashanddie_chem|st, does it matter? The Obama administration acknowledged the fact that none of the leaks to date put people's lives in danger.
crashanddie_"deputy assistant secretary of defense for media operations, told NBC News on Monday that a preliminary review by a Pentagon “assessment” team has so far not identified any documents whose release could damage national security. Moreover, he said, none of the documents reviewed so far carries a classification level above “secret” — the lowest category of intelligence material in terms of sensitivity.  "11:37
pupnikchem|st: thouht it was ironc :)11:38
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lolloowhy do I get poor quality when calling usign skype?11:42
lollooI reflashed my phone11:43
lollooand flashed emmc11:43
lollooand still I get bad quality11:43
lolloothis is frustrating11:43
crashanddie_lolloo, flashing your hard drives doesn't make your internet faster11:43
khertandepends on network speed11:43
RST38hcrashanddie: Expect most of these statements to be posturing11:43
lollooI disbaled wireless powersaving but didnt help11:43
khertanstop your p2p client11:44
RST38hcrashanddie: First, they say that the documents are grave threat to national security and attempt classifying Wikileaks as a terrorist organization11:44
lollooI have 8mbit dsl11:44
crashanddie_lolloo, in the same fashion that cleaning the tyres on your car doesn't make the engine run on marshmallows -- they're completely unrelated.11:44
lolloook I get it11:44
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RST38hcrashanddie: Once the documents are released and whatever damage is done, it is logicla to try discounting their importance11:44
lolloobut how to solve it thwn?11:44
lolloohow do I increase the download speed limit of my phone?11:45
crashanddie_RST38h, that implicitly admits that the documents damaged anything. The only damage they could've done is to the blind trust people put in their government11:45
lolloohow do I make it download bandwidth more11:45
infobotthe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', exclamation mark '!', question mark '?', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or  ellipsis '...' instead.11:46
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crashanddie_RST38h, and of recent, I haven't noticed anything that warrants that trust. The government should fear its people, not the other way around. It's time things get back in place.11:47
RST38hcrashanddie: basically, government statements neither prove nor disprove anything in this case11:48
RST38hcrashanddie: the documents are full of lulz though11:48
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RST38h...and Assange probably isn't going to see the next spring, one way or another...11:49
crashanddie_of course he is11:49
crashanddie_the media are following is every tweet, if he disappears, the government is going to get a lot more than just some dirty documents11:49
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RST38hcrashanddie: which government? :)11:50
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RST38hcrashanddie: Besides, the guy forcibly deflorated 18 Swiss virgins and a donkey, they can lock him up legally!11:50
crashanddie_hearsay, your honour11:51
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RST38hcrashanddie: Here are the [former] virgins, here are their statements, and this is a medical examination of the donkey, guilty.11:51
* DocScrutinizer51 curses the ID engineers that built a pinhole camera out of the ALS11:52
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RST38hcrashanddie: I mean, isn't there a sum of money which will make you state, on paper, that you have been raped by Julian Assange? No, seriously?11:52
chem|stRST38h: will be more like "he died in a car crash, he was speeding on his way home and lost control" that he got no car is irrelevant11:53
crashanddie_well, I make a fair amount, pretty much double of what a good salary is in the area, I'm not fussed about money11:53
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DocScrutinizer51in a room with dark ceiling and a single spotlight, the display switches from max to min on 20 degrees tilt of N90011:54
crashanddie_RST38h, say I was raped? Probably not. Kill him? Definitely.11:54
crashanddie_RST38h, I have a reputation to hold, no remorse though.11:54
DocScrutinizer51that's the result of placing the ALS several millimeters behind a pinhole the size of the ALS itself11:55
RST38hcrashanddie: Come on, just a few minutes of humiliation, and you have got yourself a nice house and that G-class Mercedes...11:55
crashanddie_Heck, I'll kill him _while_ he's bumming me, for comic effect11:55
RST38hcrashanddie: And you do not really need your name exposed, they will keep it secret to "protect the vectim"11:55
RST38hvicitm, sorry11:56
crashanddie_bollocks. I've been on the narrow end of a telelens, I know how media works11:56
crashanddie_definitely don't want to be on that side of the courtroom11:56
RST38hOk, somebody else will get that house and a car11:56
RST38hThere is plenty of people around, most of them would be willing to sign a paper11:56
crashanddie_I've got the house, and car, motorbikes and bike!11:56
crashanddie_Get a bum on the streets, he'll do it for a fag and a shot of the good stuff11:57
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chem|stRST38h: --sidenote-- it is G-Model or [ABCEMS]-Class11:59
crashanddie_never heard of the Merco ABCEMS class11:59
crashanddie_new model?11:59
crashanddie_or is that ABs-Complete Electro-Magnetic-Safety class?12:00
chem|stcrashanddie_: I am just to lazy for that now... [A,B,C,E,M,S]12:00
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DocScrutinizer51AMG original12:01
chem|stRST38h: nice... that is wrong as the G is no class like the others and Daimler refers to it as G-Model12:01
tugrikhmmm, got a weird problem where I can't type numbers into a contact field, and just get the letter "p" if I try typing a zero, anyone else seen that?12:02
DocScrutinizer51LOL who was that idiot to DoD wikileaks? May I guess?12:02
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DocScrutinizer51I never thought US special forces were SOOOO lame12:05
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DocScrutinizer51I wonder what they'll do when it's on torrent as a 300MB csv12:06
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RST38hchemist: Daimler's naming inside .DE and outside .DE differs12:07
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, it's already online12:07
RST38hchemist: That is probably the only explanation12:07
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, on i2p torrent12:07
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DocScrutinizer51yeah, but still under attack12:07
RST38hDoc: They have to demonstrate to the higher-ups that they are doing something12:08
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RST38hDoc: DoD is the only thing they can do right away12:08
RST38hDoS, sorry :)12:08
chem|stRST38h: I guess so, but they try to keep up with all the same, I thought in the US it is refered to as G-Wagen12:09
RST38hchemist: Wasn't available in the US until very recently12:09
RST38hchemist: Russians call it gelendwagen12:09
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chem|stalso nice12:09
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chem|stRST38h: nice, it is both even in germany... just looking at and they mix it up just from the start themselves12:11
chem|stmy uncle did the testing on the latest versions and told me that noone ever refers to it as G-Class12:12
RST38hchemist: O-class is buses, V-class is SUVs (recent), N-class is apparently delivery vans12:12
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RST38hs/SUVs/minivans I guess12:13
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chem|stV is Viano12:13
chem|stthats minivan12:13
DocScrutinizer51actually that's all for ordinary folks. MB folks have types like W123, W126C12:14
lolloo is anyone experimenting terrible quality when making a call to a linux skype ? The people in the other side can hear me perfectly but after a while i can barely hear it ... The sound starts crackling12:15
lollooI initially tought it could be some related to the wireless power save , so i disabled and still have the same problem.12:15
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chem|stV is also Vario Vito (all the same chassis I guess) minivan sized transports12:15
chem|stlolloo: have you tried the same with SIP?12:16
khertanachipa, hi, did you know in which case QSetting could be removed ?12:16
RST38hchm|st: there is also a tiny minivan with V designation I think12:16
DocScrutinizer51lolloo: sounds like linux skype of 200612:16
lollooboth networks are 1Mb/512kb DSL . I made the test with no other programs using network.12:16
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RST38hchemist: almost the size of B-class12:16
achipakhertan: removed as in ? uninstall, ignore or ?12:16
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chem|stRST38h: uh that small?! got a picture of that?12:16
lolloothe other end Vista12:17
lollooI wan on my phone12:17
lolloowhat do you think guys?12:17
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chem|stlolloo: you want vista on your phone12:17
lolloodid you read what I said before12:18
RST38hchemIst: I will snap one if I see it again (it has made a nest at some courtyard near our appatment complex)12:18
lollooThe people in the other side can hear me perfectly but after a while i can barely hear it ... The sound starts crackling ... And the only solution is hang up and call again ...12:19
lolloousing skype12:19
khertanachipa, the settings of Khweeteur seems lost at each update of pyqt12:19
achipakhertan: do you do .sync() ?12:19
khertansync ...12:19
chem|stlolloo: you are repeating yourself12:19
khertanhum ....12:19
achipaoh, you mean you update pyqt and lose the qsettings ?12:19
khertanachipa, yep exactly12:19
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achipathat's weird... does it get re-created in another place maybe ?12:20
khertanachipa, i don't think12:20
chem|stlolloo: friday I was on my way out, already outside office and a skype call rang, answered it in the parking lot...12:20
achipaasking since there is nothing version-specific in settings files...12:21
achipa(as in qt/pyqt couldn't tell which version it was made with even if it wanted to)12:21
chem|stlolloo: yes12:21
chem|stother end is windows12:21
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lolloodidnt The sound starts crackling12:22
lollooafter a a while..12:22
lolloomine does12:22
khertanachipa, ok so surely something in my code os12:23
chem|stlolloo: it does that at my desk as I am in a weak spot, moving just outside of my office everything is fine, and as friday night showed even outside the buidling12:26
chem|stlolloo: have you tried with another router12:27
achipakhertan: grep/doublecheck that the config file doesn't get created in some other path by accident12:27
lolloonot really12:28
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trumeelolloo: check for tcp/udp timeouts in your router12:32
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trumeewith sip, i have the same problem. crackling sounds after a few minutes. and i think it is due to incorrect timeout in tcp/udp12:33
trumeesomebody more knowledgeable than i can probably comment better. But i increased the udp timeout in my ddwrt router from 120 seconds to 300 seconds. and the situation has improved after that12:34
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trumeelolloo: you could try rebooting the router, so it looses all connections. and after the reboot you dont have any crackles, it could be that issue.12:35
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Macercute explorer doesnt show any progress for moving files :)12:39
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chem|sttrumee: he is already gone12:40
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Macertrying to clear the sd so i can try nitdroid out12:41
FunnyfacelapI finally figured out why I couldn't get "3.5G" speeds when connected with my computer12:41
chem|sttrumee: but yes, wifi settings are getting me off by now, for proper pulseaudio network usage I'd like to know more about multicast wifi protocols12:41
chem|stMacer: 009 out?12:42
Funnyfacelapif a data connection is active on the phone itself, the phone won't give me 3.5G speed on the DUN connection12:42
Macerchem|st: dont know12:42
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Maceri honestly forgot which version i tried last12:42
Maceri want to see if the modem works12:42
chem|stMacer: did you have gsm networking?12:42
Macerlast time i couldnt get any data over the modem12:42
Macerbut it connected to tmob i think12:43
Macercouldnt do much with it tho12:43
Macerthey have kind of gotten the modem to work12:43
chem|stMacer: ok that is working fine, you need to remove sim-lock before booting to droid as there is no lock handler working12:43
Macerremove sim lock?12:43
Macerwhere is that in the wiki? can you point it out?12:44
chem|stMacer: I do not know why they call it sim-lock as I understand a complete different thing but what they mean is the lock-code (PIN)12:44
Maceris that even possible? lol12:44
Maceri thought tmob sets the pin on the sim12:44
chem|stMacer: sure but you can deactivate it any time12:45
Macerspeaking of which... tmob gave me a sim.. they forgot to remove it from a g2 my gf got12:45
chem|stand you can change your pin...12:45
chem|stMacer: ROFL12:46
Macerhm.. is there a default??e of phone  lock?[D[C12:46
Macerit is a blank sim12:46
Macerwas wondering if  c.j12:46
Maceri can clone mine12:46
chem|stMacer: you simcard comes with a PIN and a PUK the first you may change or deactivate12:46
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Macerhmj.... let me take a look12:47
Macerwhere would you do that in maemo?12:47
chem|stMacer: settings -> phone12:47
Macerlet me take a look12:48
chem|stthere you need to wait a bit at it is greyed out at first12:48
chem|ston the bottom you get SIM card with a PIN code request checkbox12:48
Macerso what isnt working?12:48
Macerjust the cams now?12:49
Macermicrophone? so no talking ? :)12:49
chem|styou may have some hickup with GSM/3G too depends on your network but that should work now12:50
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Macerso cams still dont work ywet too?12:51
Macerman what i would give for a good android on this thing12:51
chem|stafair nope12:51
Maceri mean nowadays the n900 isnt the best hardware.. but still... would be nice12:51
Maceri would oc it to 1GHz until it burnt out hahaha12:52
Macerso i check the box?12:53
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Macerfor the request?12:53
chem|stMacer: if you look at n900 as a hardware bundle it is still the best available for low price!12:54
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Maceri suppose. the g2 has nice hardware for $40012:54
Macertoo bad i got it for my gf lol12:55
Macerit is like giving her an iphone12:55
khertanMacer, the best hw is the one that make Maemo running12:55
khertannothing less12:55
chem|stMacer: and it is bound to google = nogo!12:55
toggleschem|st: not if he wants 'droid, the san francisco is ;-)12:55
chem|stkhertan: 2nd!12:55
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Macernot really. newer android lets you skip the google part12:56
Macer:) although i guess that would mean no market12:56
chem|stMacer: nitdroid is based on 2.2 isnt it?12:56
Macerthink so... been a while12:56
Macerlast time i tried it just to see if i could get the 3G going12:57
chem|stI don't need market12:57
Macerso what do i do with this sim card section?12:57
chem|stI was looking into market only once was going throw up on the usless bloat you get from it12:57
Macercheck the box or something? is there something on the wiki about this?12:57
Macerit is already unchecked12:58
chem|stMacer: so you do not enter your PIN at startup?!12:58
Macerno haha12:58
Macerso that is it? just make sure it is unchecked?12:59
chem|stMacer: yes12:59
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Macerwell... simple enough12:59
chem|stMacer: and for the records: I recommend to have it checked if not booting to droid!12:59
alteregoRIP Leslie Nielsen :(13:00
alteregoHe was like my hero.13:00
Maceris there something special i have to do after nitdroid is installed to get the data over 3G going?13:00
Maceronce in nitdroid? or does it just work?13:00
chem|stMacer: maybe you need some APN setup details13:00
Maceri tried that13:00
crashanddie_alterego, ever noticed how when he was young, he looked kinda like Daniel Craig?13:01
Macertrked setting up the apn manually and still nothing13:01
Macerthe ap setup kept breaking on me13:01
chem|stMacer: didn't work for me the first time I tried as there are details wanted it should get from the SIM and you hardly find them on the net13:01
Maceryeah. i founfd an apn list but i couldnt get it going13:02
chem|stbut I filled the gaps and it worked13:02
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Macerah ok13:02
Maceri will check it out once i get the chance13:02
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chem|stMacer: and as you are oc'ed, ther might be a chance to brick your device...13:03
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crashanddie_alterego, (That's Nielsen) (craig)13:05
pupnikChalmers Johnson died this weekend.  he brought the term Blowback to the american psyche.13:07
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crashanddie_wtf is Charlmers Johnson?13:08
pupnikChalmers Ashby Johnson (August 6, 1931 - November 20, 2010)[1] was an American author and professor emeritus of the University of California, San Diego. He served in the Korean war, was a consultant for the CIA from 1967–1973, and chaired the Center for Chinese Studies at the University of California, Berkeley from 1967 to 197213:09
crashanddie_If you have to link to a wiki page to summarise who he is, I'm not interested.13:09
pupniki don't have to13:09
pupnikdoes that mean you're interested?13:09
crashanddie_plus, he's a nobody13:09
pupnikHe wrote some very influential books13:09
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crashanddie_sure, he influenced a discussion on #maemo. Props13:09
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pupnikYou were RIP'ing Leslie Nielsen - a true nobody13:10
crashanddie_I didn't :)13:10
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* timeless_mbp cries13:23
* timeless_mbp wants a working network13:23
timeless_mbpwill pay big buckets13:23
timeless_mbp(size 3)13:23
Maceromg copying files from the sd to the phone memory goes slow as shit13:27
* timeless_mbp slaps macer for using the nokia trademarked word 'memory'13:28
timeless_mbpdon't use it. ever.13:28
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timeless_mbpwe have a trademark on it@!13:28
timeless_mbpall your memory are belong to FI!13:28
timeless_mbpoh yuck13:29
* timeless_mbp has diff (-+) turd in a source file13:29
timeless_mbp-- this is bad13:29
Macernot actual fake 1GB memory13:29
Macerthe actual storage :)13:29
Macergoing off the sd to it is so slow and it is topping my cpu13:30
timeless_mbpyou realize the n900 has 3 or so, right?13:30
timeless_mbp /, /home, /home/user/MyDocs13:30
timeless_mbpjust never use 'memory'13:30
timeless_mbpit's terribly amiguous13:31
timeless_mbpeven if you manage to #define memory not_actually_memory13:31
Macerwell... / /home and MyDocs are all on the same thing... just partitioned13:31
timeless_mbp / is a different device from the other two13:32
timeless_mbphome and MyDocs share a physical store13:32
Macerwow. honestly didnt know that13:32
timeless_mbpbut since they use different file systems their perf characteristics are *also* different13:32
timeless_mbpso really. just don't ever use the word 'memory'13:33
timeless_mbplesson learned?13:33
timeless_mbpif / were on the same physical device as /home, we wouldn't need to play the stupid /opt games13:33
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Macercute explorer sucks13:36
Macerit named all the files their sizes :)13:36
Maceris there a good gui based filemanager that doesnt suck?13:37
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Macersomething that can do multiple file cut/paste13:37
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Macerat least it didnt delete the shit i had on the sd. what a waste of life that was13:38
phellarvMacer: Midnight Commander13:39
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Macergui based? :)13:39
RobbieThe1stheh. yea - use the terminal, and you won't have any problems.13:40
Macersometimes a term isnt too practical.. but i suppose i can use mc13:41
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RobbieThe1stWell, I mean... -most- of what I need to do can be more easily done via the PC anyway. Anything else, CLI.13:43
RobbieThe1stBut that's just me.13:43
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Macerfilebox did the trick13:50
Macerneed to find out how to quick pick the files tho13:50
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lcukmurrayc, hey I tweeted a little thing about one of your guys at the conf (Chris)
murraycOK. I'll have my people call his people and they can call your people.13:55
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khertanerror: Setup script exited with error: No space left on device14:02
khertanstupid small /14:02
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Saviqhi all, anyone got all contacts listed for birthdays at 30.11.2010?14:42
alteregoNope, no birthdays on 30.11.201014:44
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Saviqalterego: do you use syncevolution btw?15:03
Saviq'cause I got that on two different phones with syncevolution15:03
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root__Saviq, what are you syncing against? (N900 vs. ..)15:15
Saviqroot__: my own Funambol server15:15
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Saviqand Evolution on the other side, also syncing to that server15:15
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mc_teohow can i show a note in pyqt?15:46
mc_teoa banner, actually15:46
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mc_teohow can i show a hildon banner in pyqt?15:49
mc_teoeven a dbus command would be okay15:49
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E0xmc_teo: you mean a notification bar like when you are charging15:52
E0xor disconnect ?15:52
MohammadAGhow do I debug gnome-pty-helper15:53
mc_teothats a note15:53
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mc_teowhen it says "disconnecting charger to save energy" or whatever15:53
mc_teopyqt has that?15:53
MohammadAG(i think it's box...)15:53
* MohammadAG checks15:53    from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5InformationBox15:54            QMaemo5InformationBox.information(self,  "Unable to add video to your favourites")15:54
crashanddie_MohammadAG, actually, that ought to be a warning, rather than information15:55
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mc_teothat actually works15:57            QMaemo5InformationBox.information(self, "\'%s\' has been added to your download queue" % unicode(videoTitle, "utf-8"))15:57
MohammadAGI know, he's being a QString nazi15:57
MohammadAGthe fuck?! ubuntu switched to the GTK theme15:58
MohammadAGand it reloaded its theme, weird15:58
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chem|stmy nokia-maps is dead...16:12
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mc_teohow can i call that from another thread16:27
mc_teoi start a thread to do stuff in the background16:27
mc_teoand then let it launch a QMaemo5InformationBox when its done16:28
mc_teobut the first param is the QWidget Parent, which it gives out about since its a thread16:29
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alteregomc_teo: that's bad practise.16:33
alteregomc_teo: get it to call back, then launch the dialog in the first thread.16:33
alteregoConnect to the threads finished signal ..16:33
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, ping16:42
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Tscheesyanybody? looking for a nitdroid Rootfs -Link (need the Kernel for kubuntu-mobile)16:47
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Tscheesyis it this? : kernel-power-bootimg16:48
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Tscheesyno - .. i would need the modules too16:48
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chem|stTscheesy: that?16:55
chem|stTscheesy: you may ask in #nitdroid16:56
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Tscheesyah nice chem|st - thx.. but as i see its more easy to just install it on a sd and copy from there16:56
chem|stTscheesy: yes thats how the nitdroid setup works but the kernel is a separate .deb16:57
Tscheesyi will have to check for update then?16:58
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Tscheesyi'll just give it a try - thx17:00
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FunnyfaceDocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil, jacekowski, I figured out what the problem with my phone being stuck at "3G" was. it happens if a data connection is active on the phone itself, while also using the phone as a DUN modem at the same time. if I disconnect the phone's connection, I get full HSDPA speeds on the PC :>17:21
Funnyface :p17:21
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alteregoI get slightly better than that ;)17:22
alteregoI get about 2Mb down17:22
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Funnyfacedepends where I am, I normally get around 1.5Mbit down in average, but anything from 0.5 to 2.5Mbit is normal17:23
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l0upfffuuuu. gprs wouldnt connect -> reboot and now the machine wont recognise the sim17:31
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SpeedEvilFunnyface: great17:57
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yaccWondering, why is osso-xterm not capable of connecting a remote X server (when the server allows connections)?17:58
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luke-jryacc: it probably has :0 hardcoded18:09
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thpyacc: what's the use of running osso-xterm remotely when you can just use ssh and a local xterm?18:24
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yaccthp: osso-xterm was just an example.18:55
yaccthp, starting from qemacs that would be nice on a bigger screen remotely, ...18:55
yaccand so on.18:55
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MohammadAG_wouldn't DISPLAY=:$x qemacs work?18:56
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corecodeso i'm having problems with the phone set to GSM: i can't get internet connections to work on GSM19:00
corecodei need to switch to dual first, then connect, then switch back to gsm19:00
corecodeis that a common thing?19:00
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yaccMohammadAG_, nope, does not :(19:07
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yacccorecode, well, it's not common, one thing to consider is that GSM/GPRS cannot do voice and data communications at the same time, meaning that engaging voice will suspend data connectivity. (E.g. that's why "reverse lookup programs" that want to lookup a number in the Internet do not work that well when in GSM mode, because when they get the incoming number, they've already lost data connectivity.)19:09
corecodeno voice19:09
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alteregoHey NooBmonk3y :)19:17
NooBmonk3yhey hey alterego  :)19:17
NooBmonk3yevening alls :)19:17
nidOey kids19:17
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MohammadAG_hi NooBmonk3y19:18
NooBmonk3yhey hey!19:18
NooBmonk3yooo lots of peoples on :)19:18
crashanddie_sup girls19:18
NooBmonk3ymy n900 has decided to stop working as a phone today :P - no one can hear me on the other end of calls :P oh well :P19:18
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alteregoThis is where your health check app would be handy ;)19:19
NooBmonk3yhitting a few issues atm P19:19
crashanddie_told you the earphone jack was too close to the mic, and it wasn't for that kind of "jack'ing".19:19
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NooBmonk3ythings like the conenctivity module aren't available until 1.2 :P so i cant do bluetooth tests etc until then :|19:19
NooBmonk3ylol crash19:20
blackthornedoes the n900 play nice with Meego?19:20
blackthorneis dual boot something experimental or something usable?19:21
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alteregoNooBmonk3y: well you can, just rip out the bluetooth source and compile it in your project.19:23
* MohammadAG_ was bored,
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NooBmonk3yalterego, was thinking so, but cant find the source yet :P19:25
NooBmonk3yfound examples using it, but not the actual mobility 1.2 code :P19:25
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_,  u were bored19:26
khertanblackthorne, dual boot is working ... but status of meego is completely experimental19:26
MohammadAG_NooBmonk3y, yes, I was bored :P19:26
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NooBmonk3yooo wow19:28
* MohammadAG_ ponders making a BT messenger app19:28
NooBmonk3ydarn i removed all the code i had, time to re-add! yay!19:28
NooBmonk3yty alter!19:28
MohammadAG_NooBmonk3y, does your current app provide all features of the Python one?19:29
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_,  yes and no, well no19:30
NooBmonk3yit provides more extras but not all of the old yet19:30
MohammadAG_get the old stuff working, then work on the rest19:31
NooBmonk3ylol i am! :P19:31
NooBmonk3ygot a working list to get through19:31
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NooBmonk3yie camera's etc19:31
NooBmonk3yjust left with the hard stuff :P19:31
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leakypughey chanserv19:34
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yaccNooBmonk3y, check if pulseaudio is running, but yeah, I'm sharing your joy, just need to find the time, and will need to reflash the stupid thing :(19:35
NooBmonk3yawww yacc just rebooted so will try calling it in a sec :)19:36
leakypugAll of a sudden, after ending a call, some or many of my apps vanished..19:36
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_, is our resident pulseaudio fan boy ;)19:36
yaccNooBmonk3y, check also if it can still play mp3 files and if your alarm clock works, ...19:36
leakypugneed some help on this..19:36
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NooBmonk3yyacc never used the alarm clock and have to admit not tried an mp3, but developing healthcheck on it, so i probably killed it ;)19:36
MohammadAG_NooBmonk3y, since when are people who hate something fanboys?19:37
NooBmonk3yleaky, vanished?19:37
NooBmonk3yor vanished from your desktop?19:37
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NooBmonk3ylol Mo19:37
leakypugFew vanished form desktop19:38
leakypugand many from the menu19:38
leakypugbut all are residing in my device when checked thro app manager19:38
MohammadAG_overclocked device?19:38
yaccNooBmonk3y, so you are the author of Healthcheck?19:38
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NooBmonk3yyacc, yup19:39
NooBmonk3yand re-doing it :P19:39
yaccNooBmonk3y, don't run away, I need to do groceries but afterwards I need somebody to tell why it just crashes (it always crashed on my phone from day 1) ;)19:39
NooBmonk3yi'll be here all evening :P19:39
NooBmonk3ywell till the missus screams or makes bacon19:40
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leakypugNooBmonk3ey,also that i get a info msg very often,"request incomplete".. why do this happen?19:42
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NooBmonk3yleakypug,  you have to give me a bit more information :P - fixing a problem without knowing anything about it is pretty tough :P lol19:43
NooBmonk3yie, what are you doing when it appears :P19:43
NooBmonk3ywhat firmware etc...19:43
NooBmonk3yany app? blah blah19:44
leakypugit appears,even when the device is idle..19:44
leakypuglike ehat appears when u cant recieve the information from a low end mobile when i dial *123# or*111#,19:44
NooBmonk3yso something has to be running in the background19:45
leakypugNooBmonk3y, i guess so..19:45
NooBmonk3yworth checking out 'top' in x-terminal19:45
NooBmonk3yyou can zoom out to see what else is running too19:45
leakypugbut dmesg show nothing weird in the background19:45
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NooBmonk3yhmmm, could be a rogue app though19:46
leakypugNooBmonk3y, how about the first prob? desktop icons disappeared!?!?!?19:46
leakypugNooBmonk3y,are there any known viruses on n900 so far???19:46
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NooBmonk3yahh ok, so desktop icons lol19:46
NooBmonk3yleakypug, not that i know off19:46
NooBmonk3yunless you have installed random debs19:47
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NooBmonk3ydesktop icons point to the hildon desktop being reset19:47
NooBmonk3yand a few apps have done that :P19:47
leakypugHow can i fix it back?19:47
NooBmonk3yhas it started happenning recently?19:47
leakypugvery recently..19:47
NooBmonk3yooo ohk, hold on19:47
leakypugb4 i could join this forum :P19:47
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_,  oh god of clever things :P19:47
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_,  can you list apps on the n900 by install date?19:48
MohammadAG_think not19:48
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  do you know what you have installed since they started appearing?19:48
leakypugappearing or disappearing???19:49
MohammadAG_at least not on maemo19:49
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NooBmonk3ythe errors appearing, and the icons disappearing lol19:49
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_, was thinking dpkg cleverness maybe?19:49
leakypugThe error started appearing as soon as i put the sim card in it..19:49
leakypugfrom the day 1,NooBmonk3y..19:50
NooBmonk3yoh new phone!19:50
NooBmonk3ysecond hand?19:50
NooBmonk3yor new new?19:50
leakypugbrand new.. just two weeks older..19:50
NooBmonk3ywell the first thing i would do is reflash the device + emmc then19:50
leakypugreflashed already once :P19:51
NooBmonk3yoh + emmc?19:51
MohammadAG_NooBmonk3y, you could check the date of .list files in /var/log/dpkg/info/, but that's not exactly the most accurate thing19:51
leakypugstill the error appears to be persisting NooBmonk3y :P19:51
NooBmonk3ymight be worth doing that19:51
leakypugso what shall i do?19:51
NooBmonk3yty Mo, might not be needed as errord since new19:51
leakypugreflash once again and emmc?19:51
MohammadAG_ah, thought that was for your app lol19:52
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  i'd think so, that will put it back to completely new, with a nice clean start, best then to monitor it for a few days19:52
NooBmonk3ythe other thing, is it an old or new sim?19:52
infobotwell, flashing is
MohammadAG_see flashing the eMMC, don't use -R with flasher19:52
leakypugsim is old..19:52
leakypug3 yrs old..19:52
* NooBmonk3y likes MohammadAG_ him and infobot together = darn amaxing lol19:52
NooBmonk3yleakypug, old SIM cards can also cause many problems, as well as draining batteries ;)19:52
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leakypugoh my god!!! :o19:53
NooBmonk3ynot allways, but it has been known :)19:53
leakypugLOL, so I'm gonna get my hands dirty on this device once again..19:54
NooBmonk3yhehehe :P19:54
NooBmonk3ywell try the flash if you can19:54
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NooBmonk3ymonitor it whilst you get a new sim ;)19:54
NooBmonk3yit's worth doing :p19:54
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Arkenoiwell, i had really old 5V sim car for awhile and found battery drain to be insignificant19:54
leakypugam very new to this platform, and this is my first ever smartphone NooBmonk3y.19:54
NooBmonk3yArkenoi, doesnt happen on all but i compared two in identical phones, and the 4yr old sim was about 1 hour less on battery :P19:55
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  tis a very good start!19:55
NooBmonk3yi was/am a noob with linux and smartphones but have been loving it19:55
NooBmonk3ygot mine a year ago (this wednesday, woooop!)19:55
Arkenoimine was 12 years old so i am pretty sure it is not even 3V :-)19:55
NooBmonk3ywow Arkenoi , mine musta been abused ;)19:56
leakypugjust i have the love and passion for maemo and meego, :P19:56
* NooBmonk3y does too! ... hoping it stays positive too!19:56
leakypughope this device keeps me high.. :D19:56
NooBmonk3yi'm getting a new device next april most likely, but might hold fire for a decent meego one :)19:56
NooBmonk3ysaying that my n900 still feels pretty new to me, and never had that feeling from a phoneb4, i normally trash them :P19:57
leakypugand facebrick app gives me a bloody error,spitting at my face saying something blah blah...19:57
NooBmonk3yit also got me into coding again :)19:57
leakypugI adore our n900.. :) :)19:58
NooBmonk3ydidnt w00t_  make facebrick? or was it someone else?19:58
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leakypugits the bestest i have seen.. :)19:58
NooBmonk3ywhere abouts are you from btw?19:58
leakypugChennai, India..19:58
leakypuganyone from here???19:58
leakypugand know anyone from here btw???19:58
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Arkenoiwhat are current "most have" performance tweaks? swappolube, fixed pulseaudio, sumething else?19:58
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NooBmonk3yArkenoi,  oh god, there's a thread for that lol ;)19:59
NooBmonk3ymore then welcome, thats why i asked hehe19:59
ArkenoiNooBmonk3y, i'd say plenty of those, that's why i am asking here which ones are considered important :-)20:00
NooBmonk3yleakypug, looks like two there :OP20:00
NooBmonk3ypost that link in any indian maemo forums you find :)20:00
leakypugi always had the insecure feeling that will i be able to solve the bugs with my device if some arise,.20:00
leakypugbut fortunately many bugs arose and so am here now :) :)20:00
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  you will learn :) :)20:00
NooBmonk3yhehe, in 99% of cases there is a fix or a known bug + workaround20:01
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NooBmonk3ythere have been cases of faulty n900's but, not that common20:01
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derfArkenoi: PulseAudio is certainly the most important one to me.20:01
NooBmonk3yooo good point, i never installed the fixed pulseaudio20:01
leakypugand sorry that i dont know whose facebrick am using..20:02
NooBmonk3yalterego, btw thank you very much for that link :) - gonna try the bluetooth thing again tonight :020:02
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NooBmonk3ylol leakypug20:02
leakypugand u r from??20:02
NooBmonk3y it is w00t_20:03
corecodeah it was autodisconnect20:03
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  Worthing, england :) (South coast)20:03
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NooBmonk3yand MohammadAG_  lives in timbuktoo, or some other ass end of nowhere place ;) hehehe20:04
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MohammadAG_Bermuda triangle actually20:06
NooBmonk3ylol Mo20:07
leakypugare people not disappearing over bermuda nowdays??? ;)20:07
MohammadAG_not functional, but still, new to C
MohammadAG_leakypug, I have an RPG for such incidents20:07
* MohammadAG_ looks at shot down planes20:07
MohammadAG_they were good fellows20:07
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_,  shouldn't HEN have a picture of a hen? :P hehe20:08
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MohammadAG_NooBmonk3y, lol20:08
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MohammadAG_I don't get why it doesn't follow a layout20:09
leakypugguys, feel secure now..20:09
leakypugwill u be available at this time everyday?20:09
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NooBmonk3yleakypug,  most of this lot are here even when they sleep :P20:10
leakypugand is there any possibilty that i chat with you guys from my device?20:10
NooBmonk3yi'm here about this time most days for a few hours20:10
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  xchat :)20:10
leakypugLol,then am sleeping... :)20:10
NooBmonk3yit works from the device fine :)20:10
leakypugbut i felt the device slowing down when there was almost 1.3gb of installable space..20:11
leakypugisn't it weird?20:11
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NooBmonk3yleaky as mentioned before there are many many tweaks you can make to the device (like installing swapolube etccc) they all help for speed :)20:11
lcukleakypug, the amount of space doesnt effect the speed, but having a single heavy application may do :)20:12
NooBmonk3ylcuk, having bacon on your device can affect the visibility too :(20:12
NooBmonk3yoh whatever that swapo thing is called20:12
RST38hEvening, punks20:12
lcukNooBmonk3y, nahh that just makes apps faster20:12
NooBmonk3ylo RST38h20:12
RST38hswapo thing is snakeoil20:12
NooBmonk3ylol lcuk20:12
leakypugoh... thanks for ur patience to answer this noob.. :)20:12
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  :) not a problem at all :)20:13
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leakypugcan u suggest me some application catalogues?20:14
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NooBmonk3yleakypug,  not sure i would recommend any straight off, extras-testing and devel are probably more suited once you get used to the device as there are apps in development etc, but just google n900 repositories :020:15
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leakypugThank you man..20:16
lcukyou could add the meego repository *grin*20:16
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leakypugis there anyway,i can increase the number of desktops betond 4???20:17
NooBmonk3yleakypug,  up to 9 i think20:18
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NooBmonk3ynever tried though20:18
leakypugwow!!! how,though??20:18
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lcukleakypug, custom replacement hildon-desktop20:18
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leakypugand this MeeGo and NITDroid thing tis my aspiration for buying n900..20:18
leakypugdual boot functionality..20:19
leakypugI'd like to get my hands on them as soon as possible..20:19
leakypugthanks for the link :)20:20
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NooBmonk3yleakypug,  be carefull with nitdroid and meego20:21
leakypugcareful as in???20:21
NooBmonk3yneither are fully realeased yet and there has been lots of issues with people trying both, as the two booting things (uboot, multiboot) seem to have caused problems20:21
NooBmonk3yboth are demo's as they work on them20:22
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NooBmonk3yso nitdroid is probably 70%% complete and meego 1.1 is even less complete at the moment20:22
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leakypugYa, i could see the news on MeeGo's pages...20:24
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NooBmonk3yright gonna go sort healthcheck, bbiab20:24
leakypugadios NooBmonk3y :)20:24
leakypugso lcuk, hi to you :)20:25
leakypugam hi to you too Mo :)20:25
MohammadAG_hi :)20:26
* MohammadAG_ curses C20:26
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MohammadAG_I'm doing something wrong, and it's not saying what that is20:27
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comawhiteblah, when trying to install the sdk I get this: Inconsistency detected by rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!20:30
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jacekowskivdso disabled?20:32
jacekowskiand are you following manual?20:32
comawhiteshould be I had it previously installed via Gentoo but now doing it manually20:33
lcukMohammadAG_, hi, c isnt so bad and it only does what you ask it, plenty of printfs if you are unsude20:34
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MohammadAG_lcuk, I was using the example and changes some strings, which kinda broke it20:35
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trumeeMohammadAG_: is that power kernel you are using?20:47
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trumeeGuys, anybody with Power Kernel please enlighten me. If i install power kernel, and dont mess around with kernel-config. Is the Max/Min frequency limits the same as stock kernel?20:50
NooBmonk3ytrumee, yup20:50
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trumeeNooBmonk3y: then what is  this about,
DocScrutinizer~seen timsamoff20:52
infobottimsamoff <~timsamoff@Maemo/community/contributor/timsamoff> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 6h 56m 47s ago, saying: 'Just beginning... But, then Jim asked another ?'.20:52
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trumeeNooBmonk3y: Shouldnt the cpu comparison between stock and power kernel be the same since they should use the same frequency.20:53
NooBmonk3ytrumee,  should be, but then it depends on his device and what other alterations he has20:53
trumeeassuming that i didnt mess around with kernel-config.20:53
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NooBmonk3yi use the power kernel at normal levels fine :P20:53
NooBmonk3yv 40 though lol20:54
trumeeNooBmonk3y: do you use sip with power kernel?20:54
NooBmonk3yahhh no sorry20:54
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trumeeNooBmonk3y: my sip call is 20% higher as i posted in that tmo thread.20:54
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DocScrutinizerNooBmonk3y: H-E-N is my creation, and no, it is unrelated to a hen21:12
* NooBmonk3y wonders if DocScrutinizer has ever understood "jokes" "comedy" "fun things" etc etc........21:13
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* DocScrutinizer is a grumpty old fart21:14
NooBmonk3ylol :P21:14
* NooBmonk3y passes the sugar21:14
NooBmonk3yoooo bacon flavoured sugar . hmmmmmmmmm21:14
DocScrutinizeryou might be interested in H-E-N meaning Hosmode-Easy-Now21:15
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RevdKathyNooBmonk3y : close, but not a hen.21:16
NooBmonk3yRevdKathy,  i agree entirely ;)21:16
NooBmonk3yit should at least have added eggs, as then there would finally be a bacon link ;)21:17
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: :-D \o/21:18
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: thumbs up21:18
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, :)21:18
MohammadAG_now just to add the function to it (should be easy), and of course, hide it using signals from h-e-n21:18
MohammadAG_i.e, user clicks mount, applet shows, user clicks unmount in applet or in h-e-n, hide applet21:19
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alteregoIs it okay to use OSM maps in commercial software?21:19
* alterego is contemplating adding mapping ...21:20
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: I suggest you use the well known term "safely remove" or maybe a combination, like "H-E-N safely remove\nunmount partitions"21:20
alteregoProbably not for v1 though ..21:20
MohammadAG_Safely remove device21:20
DocScrutinizerwhatever it is in LANG=C21:21
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lolloowhat is the default font in Xchat for N900?21:22
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lollooI messed it up and now igt feels wierd with the new font!21:23
lollooI forgot what was the defaultfont was!21:23
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RST38hSouth Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft."21:25
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keriothey need to work on their micro21:29
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lolloodidn't they fire him?21:30
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lolloofunny lad.21:30
lolloothey replaced him with a mad lad!21:31
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Arkenoiwow. seems that installing fixed pulseaudio package resolved the problem with media player being unresponsive to touchscreen control while playing video completely. I wonder why wasn't it included with PR1.321:32
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lollooomg can you lead me to it please.21:32
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lollooArkenoi, where can I get fixed pulseaudio package from?21:33
Arkenoi here21:34
povbotBug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web21:34
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lolloowhere is the package?21:36
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lolloooh cool thanks, How do I install it?21:38
lollooI have kernel46, will it be a problem?21:39
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lolloooh failed!21:41
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ieatlintdoes a 30awg usb cable sound like it will be crap to anyone who is an EE?21:45
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lollooincompatibil package. failed to install21:45
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lolloowhen installing package for pulseaudio21:46
DocScrutinizerieatlint: yes21:46
troulouliouHi is the apt cache saved between reboot ?21:47
ieatlintyeah, seemed low... i thought 24awg was standard and 28awg was pushing it21:47
DocScrutinizerieatlint: just because of the fact that the specification 30awg doesn't mean a thing and so it's likely the cable will be crap21:47
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ieatlintneed to buy more microusb cables and trying not to get the shittiest ones this time21:48
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MohammadAG_lolloo, screw ham, use dpkg21:48
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lolloohehehe your right21:49
lollooso is it dpkg -i ?21:49
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MohammadAG_is there a way to hide something from the status bar?21:50
MohammadAG_I don't see anything like that in the .h file :/21:50
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khertanKhweeteur 0.0.52 is now available in Maemo Extras Testing please test it, and vote for it.21:53
lollooyou mean to make animation fadde effect to make it disappear.21:53
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MohammadAG_no, to remove an icon from the status menu21:54
MohammadAG_without removing the widget21:54
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lolloouse tweaker21:55
Macerwhy does moving files betweeh the sd and phone kill the cpu?21:55
troulouliousorry but i ve just update my phone , this ean that i m on pr1.3 ?21:56
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: check any example, like simple brightness applet21:56
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lollooflashlight app to21:56
DocScrutinizernope, flashlight doesn't have an icon in status bar afaik21:57
Macerthe led flashlight app?21:57
Maceri miss that lol21:57
MohammadAG_oh right!21:57
lollootroulouliou, use uname -r in xterm.21:57
lollooMacer, yes21:57
pupnikDocScrutinizer: are these speaker cables good enough?
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trouloulioucan not be that21:58
lolloothats the latest power kernel.21:58
MohammadAG_ah, a boolean21:58
troulouliouso that mean i m on PR1.3 ?21:59
lollooyes you should be, I think power46 is for PR1.321:59
MohammadAG_hmm, or not22:00
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: lolloo: simple brightness has an icon in status bar that's only visible when "don't dim screen" is activated22:00
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MohammadAG_setting it to NULL, I see22:01
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, yeah, I know, activated when holding the button too22:01
lollootroulouliou, If you check the version of mp-fremantle-generic-pr with dpkg -l command and it is 20.2010.36-2, you have22:02
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NooBmonk3yhmmm does anyone know the best place totry and figure out a qlistwidget.... (Stylesheets i mean) - struggling to find any good places to get info on it, the qt pages provide 1 rather poor example :|22:03
MohammadAG_dpkg -l mp-fremantle* actually22:03
troulouliouok thanks22:03
DocScrutinizerpupnik: heh?22:03
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Macerugh. wtf22:04
Macerwhy is storage on the n900 so cpu intense and slow22:04
DocScrutinizerMacer: probably a bug22:05
Macerjust moving files between the sd and phone storage takes FOREVER.. and the phone is pretty much useless while doing it22:05
DocScrutinizerit only happens to me when trying to access eMMC and uSD concurrently22:05
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DocScrutinizereven then not always22:06
Maceryeah. that is what i am doing22:06
Maceri am copying from the sd to the phone storage22:06
Macerwell.. moving actually22:06
Macerit is horrible22:06
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Macerah finally. it finished22:07
MohammadAG_it's really annoying tbh22:09
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alteregoYour face22:17
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GAN900No yours.22:18
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alteregoDamnit, I always get beat in thte same way :(22:19
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NooBmonk3yaghhh god darn qlistwidgets and css22:30
NooBmonk3yget stressed and it all works22:31
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alteregoI think I should get a bluetooth heart rate monitor and write a plugin for my app :)22:39
alteregoFor some reason the statistics stuff has got me wanting one ^.^22:40
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yaccalterego, don't laugh, my blood pressure monitor seats exactly behind me, don't even have to turn to grab it :-P22:41
MohammadAG_signal sender=:1.71 -> dest=(null destination) serial=12 path=/org/maemo/hen; interface=org.maemo.hen; member=mountButtonClicked22:42
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MohammadAG_signal sender=:1.71 -> dest=(null destination) serial=13 path=/org/maemo/hen; interface=org.maemo.hen; member=unmountButtonClicked22:42
MohammadAG_yay :D22:42
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alteregoMohammadAG_: good job :)22:53
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MohammadAG_alterego, DocScrutinizer
MohammadAG_now I just have to figure out how to connect the signal in C/Gtk :)22:55
meceMohammadAG_, nice22:55
alteregoHeh, why?22:56
alteregoBecause you're doing a status bar menu button?22:56
MohammadAG_already did22:57
alteregoAh, I've been meaning to do a Qt example of one of those.22:57
MohammadAG_I just need to show/hide it when the signal is sent22:57
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MohammadAG_alterego, you can do them in Qt?22:58
trumeeDoes this make sense,
alteregoMohammadAG_: you should be able to, with a bit of hacking yes.22:58
MohammadAG_alterego, I'm quite happy with gtk then :P
alteregoI wouldn't bother for what you're doing without someone (maybe me) coming up with a decent easy way to do it ;)22:59
MohammadAG_why did I paste that, again22:59
trumeePower kernel locks the device at 600MHz compared to 500 of stock kernel. Plus pulseaudio eats more cpu at this higher frequency.22:59
alteregoDon't like you using h-e-n in your UI :P22:59
alteregoCan't you change it to "USB Hostmode" or something a bit more user intuitive.23:00
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MohammadAG_ask DocScrutinizer, he named it, not me23:00
alteregoI know it's the project name, but you don't have to go around pasting it on all your UIs23:00
MohammadAG_it's the same UI lol23:01
* MohammadAG_ ponders23:01
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trumeeanybody using Power Kernel?23:02
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* trumee wishes there was another kernel apart from Power Kernel with NAT support.23:04
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MohammadAG_compile your own23:05
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DocScrutinizeralterego: there's a project name, and there's a descriptive name. What got canola to do with mp3? So don't you think H-E-N is appropriate for project and app NAME, while USB hostmode is the app *description*23:06
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DocScrutinizertbh I think H-E-N is way nicer than e.g fapman23:07
trumeeMohammadAG_: not a bad idea. Can i do that in scracthbox?23:07
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I'm talking about the names of buttons in UIs23:07
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MohammadAG_oh, you mean the status bar applet?23:08
MohammadAG_is google down? *shrugs*23:08
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I'm not saying rename the project, h-e-n is fine. I'm talking about a button label that should be "USB Hostmode" imo23:08
alteregoSomething a bit more user friendly.23:08
alteregoAnd more meaningful in the context.23:08
* MohammadAG_ understands that23:08
DocScrutinizerso if you like to discuss then, then use proper terminology. It's debatable if a button needs the project name or better have the function description or both23:08
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MohammadAG_for a newcommer, h-e-n in the status bar might be better as USB Host mode23:09
NooBmonk3ywohooooooooo healthcheck is 1.6mb as a deb and 3mb exec file, genius23:09
NooBmonk3yhmmm i need to figure out how to optimise this bad boy i feel23:09
MohammadAG_what the fuck?23:10
alteregoI don't care to discuss it, I'm just putting across my point-of-view, you don't have to listen to it and I'm not trying to mock you or anything :P23:10
MohammadAG_do you have a resource file or something?23:10
NooBmonk3yalterego, i kind of gree that h-e-n is rediculous, but then names grow on people :) - it makes no sense to normal people  though!23:10
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG_, healthcheck is taking over the world, 1 byte at a time23:11
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alteregoI just think that buttons should be succinct and easily understandable.23:11
alteregoOh, and translateable :P23:11
alteregoDon't forget about the non-natives :D23:11
MohammadAG_alterego, feel free to make me a .po file, I never looked into them :P23:11
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MohammadAG_I can easily use dcgettext or whatever it's called23:12
alteregoMohammadAG_: I've not actually included any translations in any of my apps, but I do support it in the code when I write it :D23:12
NooBmonk3yhmmmm if i add all the source files into the same folder for hc.... its not the end of the world? i just need to make sure when it builds it goes into opt? :)23:12
alteregoMohammadAG_: in Qt, you just use tr()23:12
alteregoLike: QLabel(tr("English"), this);23:12
MohammadAG_alterego, it's gtk, the Qt UI is translatable23:12
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alteregoAh, m'kay.23:12
DocScrutinizeralterego: MohammadAG_: I suggest "H-E-N USB-Hostmode\nSafely remove <devicename>"23:12
alteregoYeah, fine with that, but I don't see the point in having the project name in there :P23:13
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MohammadAG_alterego, .po? please? :P23:14
DocScrutinizeralterego: ( tr() ) ...and QtLinguist. Done that a lot for twinkle23:14
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Arkenoiis there better irreco ui? both irreco and qtirreco are quite ugly and do not follow any reasonable human interface guidelines23:14
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: yeah, not done any translations. but I'll accept them when the app is out there :D23:15
luke-jrrather, the UI isn't too bad, but I couldn't figure out how to get it to do anything useful23:15
alteregoOr I can get someone to translate them ^.^23:15
MohammadAG_why the fuck is listening to dbus so hard in C?23:15
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: I'm really wondering what's the concept behind the h-e-n GUI d-bus API23:16
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, someone made a cursor package to enable the cursor and complained that hostmode doesn't report or something23:17
Arkenoibtw, can "fixed" pulseaudio performance be improved with config tricks by SavageD or is it "preconfigured" properly?23:17
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: please be aware API design isn't something done in a sloppy mood23:17
MohammadAG_other than that, I use it to show/hide the widget, obviously I don't want it in my status bar all the time23:17
MohammadAG_I'll use it even, haven't figured out C + DBus yet23:18
DocScrutinizernevertheless it's not exactly GUI's duty to do d-bus notifications about hostmode status23:18
MohammadAG_easy in python, easier in Qt, but.. meh23:18
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, it doesn't exactly report hostmode's status, only user interactions with the app23:18
DocScrutinizerthere could be other even concurrent UIs accessing jrbme23:18
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DocScrutinizerjrbme is handling vboost and hostmode activation, and probably it also should do d-bus notifications23:20
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MohammadAG_jrbme is a script, it can't come close to a proper C/C++ daemon :P23:21
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: these are system architecture considerations that need careful evaluation prior to establishing a defacto standard that later on will bite your ass as all the app developers start bitching about new version is breaking API compatibility23:21
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: you're telling BS and this isn't even a valid argument when discussing API, as it's not your business as API user to decide about implementation details of the API server (like which language it's developed in)23:23
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MohammadAG_I'm just saying my opinion, a script writing to a file can't do what a C daemon can do23:25
DocScrutinizer"let me provide the API in userland, as I don't like the language you used to implement your system daemon""  C'MON23:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: you got no idea about what a script can do, and that's not your business anyway23:25
MohammadAG_anyways, off to bed, school tomorrow23:25
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DocScrutinizerthat's the difference between ordinary devels and real hackers. Real hackers can code FORTRAN usinf any arbitrary language23:27
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fcksure asembler...23:27
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DocScrutinizerordinary devels, esp when they are young and unexperienced, tend to think the quality of a program depends on the language used23:28
fckand better stay in redhat 7.023:28
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fcksure not, but you can write easy23:28
fckor hard way23:28
fckalso after compiling where is some another aspects23:29
DocScrutinizerthat's the only point - there may be differences in complexity and effort to implement the same function in different languages23:29
fcktotally agree23:29
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fckwikileaks :)23:30
DocScrutinizerand the result may have some immutable properties like relatively slow execution speed, or paricularly lean program text, or whatever23:31
fckinteresting new leaks23:31
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fcki like python, java23:31
fckqt :/23:32
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DocScrutinizerso while you *can* implement a FFT in shellscripting, you probably might want to go for C or even assembler to do that, just for the benefit of speed23:32
DocScrutinizerfor hostmode speed is a negligible factor23:32
fckc+ better23:32
fckor c :/23:32
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DocScrutinizerhell, I implemented complete CIM incl machine control in COBOL, and used a lot of assembler libs aka external function calls - just because the customer said he want us to use COBOL for it. Was feasible and worked, and even earned an award for best factory automation23:35
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DocScrutinizerand now mohammad tells me what I can and what I can't do by using shellscripting - LOL23:37
fckbash? :/23:37
DocScrutinizerI try to avoid bashisms, that wouldn't meet the design goals23:37
DocScrutinizerand hell yes, maybe one day I'll refactor it in C23:38
DocScrutinizerbut first jrbme alpha will be messybox script. period23:39
DocScrutinizerI'm much for agile progarmming paradigm23:39
DocScrutinizernot for optimizing startup speed of (h-e-n) GUI by porting it from python to C++/Qt, while still in beta state23:40
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fckh-e-n nice one23:41
DocScrutinizerif mohammad is getting fun out of that, ok. His cup of turksih tea.23:42
DocScrutinizerBut creating an API by a shot from the hip isn't a wise thing to do23:42
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DocScrutinizeractually jrbme takes quite a bit longer, just because the API has to be fully specified and verified and evaluated prior to first even alpha release23:44
DocScrutinizerjrbme just replaces bme23:44
DocScrutinizerand jrbme will manage hostmode23:44
fckget it23:45
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lollooguys extras-testing repo is not working here23:46
lollooanyone has he same?23:46
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DocScrutinizerDUH  WUT? that's new23:46
alteregoDocScrutinizer: nothing is set in stone yet, think of what he's doing as a prototype, you don't have to be so negative and cynical about it.23:47
lolloosince when was it down?23:47
alteregoA couple of dbus signals isn't an API spec ffs.23:47
DocScrutinizeralterego: FOSS is about clear words. I'm not cynical23:47
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DocScrutinizeralterego: a couple of dbus signals sets a de-facto standard that's virtually impossible to change later on23:48
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alteregoI think you're over dramatising the situation :P23:48
DocScrutinizerand yes, it *IS* a part of an API23:48
lolloowhy is the repos are down?23:48
DocScrutinizerI'm not dramatising anything. I just say it's wrong23:49
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alteregololloo: it's working fine.23:49
alteregololloo: check your network settings.23:49
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I say it's fine, agile development works.23:50
DocScrutinizerand I say this in the most clear word I can find, before it actually gets deployed23:50
alteregoRigid specifications break.23:50
alteregoFor something so early in it's life cycle a bit of flexibility is probably better.23:50
DocScrutinizerand that's exactly what agile programming is all about. Create something, get cheers or flames, destroy it and dump the idea, do something better23:51
alteregoStill, I'm sure if you actually helped him design the API it'd be better for everyone :P23:51
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DocScrutinizerbut agile programming also is about an incredible amount of discipline23:51
alteregoWell, he needs to learn and he's been doing a _LOT_ of good work.23:51
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DocScrutinizeralterego: aha. I didn't only help him to design the the GUI, I even specified it to the detail, as you can see in this one tmo post. And helping him with specification of the API was exactly what I did23:52
alteregoOh, I didn't know that.23:53
DocScrutinizerI told him it's not a good idea to have any such API in the GUI23:53
DocScrutinizerand I told him he should leave that to jrbme23:53
DocScrutinizeras that API is better done in system than in userland23:54
DocScrutinizerso what more of a help can I give?23:54
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DocScrutinizerand yes, I get cynical when somebody starts to tell me about system architecture considerations based on the languge certain subsystems are implemented in. This bit of cynism is needed to make people start to rethink their notion23:56
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