| ljp | :) | 00:00 |
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| crashanddie | or kiwi? | 00:00 |
| khertan_ | bon ok à seulement 200m du 77 (Seine et marne) | 00:00 |
| ljp | well, in brissie | 00:00 |
| crashanddie | hah, right, we talked | 00:00 |
| ljp | but for some reason the weather is stuck on 'chance of rain' | 00:01 |
| khertan_ | crashanddie, yeah bike on ice is less funny than with a car | 00:01 |
| khertan_ | :à | 00:01 |
| khertan_ | :) | 00:01 |
| johnx | khertan, it's funny as long as you're not the one on the bike | 00:03 |
| alterego | Apparently I've travelled 1 mile, whilst sitting on my sofa programming. | 00:03 |
| johnx | alterego, and you'll sell this secret for a low, low price | 00:03 |
| johnx | ? | 00:03 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:03 |
| crashanddie | alterego: either the 2012 movie was right and tectonic plates are going mad, or there's something wrong? | 00:04 |
| alterego | No, just error .. | 00:04 |
| khertan_ | johnx, also :) | 00:04 |
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| johnx | mmmm, ice driving :) | 00:06 |
| crashanddie | I've thought about buying ice skates | 00:06 |
| johnx | you should just get some training wheels and some little mini-skis and hybridize them onto your bike | 00:07 |
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| jo-erlend_ | is there any way to flip the desktop into portrait mode ? | 00:13 |
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| khertan_ | turning head :) | 00:14 |
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| johnx | jo-erlend_, only in some apps | 00:17 |
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| khertan_ | I like ohloh : Khweeteur project cost : $ 51,868 | 00:21 |
| khertan_ | if only i win 1% with it ... i ll be happy :) | 00:21 |
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| kerio | wut | 00:35 |
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| Macer | hi | 00:51 |
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| crashanddie | khertan_: server I'm the product manager of has an estimated cost of $11M | 00:58 |
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| trumee | poor pulseaudio performance in power kernel sucks. | 01:03 |
| trumee | I suppose there are some PA patches in power kernel which makes it unusable. | 01:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'm looking for a userspace lightweight VPN type thing. Socks proxy on the far end, socks on the local end, and some means of putting the VPN over different connections by a command, as they go down/up. What should I be looking for? | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Any suggestions? | 01:05 |
| balrog-k1n | hey, i'm running the stock n900 kernel with the stock userspace, what's the shortest way to set up usbnet? | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: ssh tunnel controlled by ICD2? | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: heck, even just a cron job to check if the SSH connection is alive will do | 01:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: I want the connections to persist over network changes | 01:07 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: will be very tricky over VPN -- they're far from stateless and require a reconnect upon route hcange | 01:08 |
| Corsac | mipv6 \o/ | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't want a proper VPN | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: vpn or ssh, anything not stateless won't survive a network change | 01:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | I know. | 01:09 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: so unless you encapsulate the vpn-type connection over UDP or something, or intermittent TCP... | 01:09 |
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| Corsac | SpeedEvil: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-apps-umip.html | 01:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Complications are that the connections are two ipv4 connections to the internet, and one cellular. | 01:11 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: what's the use-case? | 01:11 |
| balrog-k1n | ah, apparently there's an aptget package with all the modules for usbnet | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I have two DSL connections that are somewhat unreliable, and one cell connection - the n900 that I use when they have died. | 01:12 |
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| balrog-k1n | the only problem now is i first need to be online to download it | 01:12 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: miredo to the rescue! | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, the logical solution - get my ISP to fix it - seems to be problematic - due to teh fact hat they die around midnignt. | 01:12 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: other option: local daemon that manages three separate connections, and pushes data through the fastest connection available. When one connection falls, the other two connections are used to ensure the data is sent, server on the other side pipes everything from the three connection as if it is one | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | overhead, probably 30-40% in traffic | 01:13 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yes, I know there are complex VPN solutions that do 'everything' - I basically want something like ssh with socks that I can send a HUP when the default route goes away | 01:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also - I don't have root on the far end, which disqualifis most of the solutions I find | 01:16 |
| crashanddie | why? | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | because you need root perm to open ports in range 0-1000 | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | so? | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | don't open up a port under 1024 | 01:19 |
| alterego | qpwr :P | 01:19 |
| alterego | 1024 even .. | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so a proxy on user perms isn't really feasible | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | 8080 is under 1024 now? | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 01:19 |
| crashanddie | my math sucks | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | who talked about 8080? | 01:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Most of the VPN solutions I find want kernel modules, or programs that require to run as root on the far end | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: all of them will have to run as root | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: or have kernel modules | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: No, they don't. | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | that's how linux networking work | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | No, it's not. | 01:22 |
| crashanddie | lolwut? | 01:23 |
| crashanddie | yeah, opening a socket and writing to it demands root perms, woopdefuckingwoop | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | to create network interface | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh's socks proxy does all that I want, but does not support multiple connections between the ends. | 01:23 |
| balrog-k1n | i think you can create tap interfaces if you have the right permission on linux | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | And can run as user on both ends | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | that's not vpn | 01:24 |
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| jacekowski | that's tunelling | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | I know it's not. | 01:24 |
| jo-erlend_ | my N900 keeps blinking white, but I can't find anything that it might try to call attention to. What does it mean? | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | jo-erlend_: It means it's on. | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: would you not simply be able to check if the connection's alive an re-establish when required? | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | jo-erlend_: you can turn this behaviour off in settings. | 01:24 |
| jo-erlend_ | SpeedEvil, seriously? Can I deactivate that? | 01:24 |
| jo-erlend_ | oh, great. Thanks. | 01:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: yes, but I don't want connections to be broken when I switch. | 01:24 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: too many restrictions | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | jo-erlend_: It does not appreciably impact batery life, if that's what you were worried about. But I too find it annoying. | 01:25 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: stateless, simple, practical -- pick two. | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't want it to be stateless, I'm quite happy to have state in the two ends. | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jo-erlend_: there's even LED pattern editor app | 01:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | ssh - if it would reestbalish the channel on a signal - would 'just work' for example. | 01:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Anyway - thanks for the comments. | 01:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: isn't there some re-establish command for ssh(fs)? | 01:28 |
| alterego | use autossh | 01:28 |
| alterego | Not sure if it's available in extras | 01:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | tor? | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm. | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | probably not... | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | That is a very, very silly suggestion that might actually work. | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 01:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | But, I think that pushing tor traffic over my n900 might cause my ISP to become upset with me. | 01:35 |
| alterego | What are you actually trying to do? | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Also, it may cause it to melt. | 01:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a random oddly-implemented chat protocol to continue to work over network connection changes. | 01:35 |
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| jo-erlend_ | SpeedEvil, I don't care about batterylife. It's just annoying to be notified of completely obvious things. | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | There is no bouncer available for this client. | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | what's obvious abot a black dead N900 actually being up and running? | 01:36 |
| SpeedEvil | You can see it in your RF vision. | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha | 01:37 |
| SpeedEvil | It glows at 32KHz | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hi gordy | 01:37 |
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| jo-erlend_ | DocScrutinizer, well, I tend to actually use my phone. I know how much battery life is left and I know that I haven't turned it off. There might be a chance that it crashes, but other than that, I expect it to always be on. I don't need it to notify me every ten seconds or so. | 01:38 |
| jo-erlend_ | if I could have it notify me when it was _off_, then that would've been great. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hehe | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so settings > notification light is where you want to stop by | 01:40 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, how is your cpu usage during sip call with power kernel? | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nfc, no power kernel here | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not yet | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: over wifi/3g/usbnet/PAN | 01:41 |
| trumee | i need a kernel with NAT support, do i have any other choice apart from power kernel? | 01:42 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil, wifi | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also my sip service broke some time ago on N900 - can't selesct it anymore for outbound - and I have no idea how to fix | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: afaik nope. you need pk | 01:43 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, pulseaudio eats 20% more cpu in pk compared to stock. | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | eeew | 01:43 |
| trumee | so sip is unusable in pk for me. i was so excited to use N900 as a usb router in pk. But PA cpu usage was a big letdown :( | 01:44 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil, you run pk? | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I don't get it how pk can have such PA CPU hog | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 01:45 |
| alterego | Probably cpu governer | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | good point | 01:46 |
| trumee | The total cpu usage is abouting 60% in pk compared to 40% in stock during a sip call. | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 20% of what cpu clock? | 01:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the cpu percentage is largely meaningles without cpufreq | 01:47 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, no idea. i didnt do any OC, everything stock here. | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nevertheless governor might clock pk lower, so dutycicle on cpu gets higher | 01:48 |
| marmoute | kerio: wrong channel ? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 20%@500 == 40%250 | 01:49 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, how do i disable cpu giverner in pk or atleast make it the same as stock kernel. | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "o idea | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you probably don't want to disable anyway | 01:50 |
| marmoute | kerio: sorry, lagging behind of several days | 01:50 |
| * SpeedEvil knows that feeling. | 01:50 | |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, right. so how do i find current freq, cat /proc/cpuinfo? | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, something along that line | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | trumee: it's in /sys/something/cpu/cpufreq/whatever | 01:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ | 01:52 |
| trumee | SpeedEvil, thanks found it | 01:54 |
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| blackthorne | i'm trying to watch a real media file | 02:04 |
| blackthorne | it opens but it's slow | 02:04 |
| blackthorne | would you give me some tips on how to free some memory and cpu and make this video flow better? | 02:04 |
| blackthorne | in N900 | 02:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | It may be that it's simply CPU bound. | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | However - look at installing cpu-applet | 02:13 |
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| [Sergiu] | hello | 02:13 |
| [Sergiu] | iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. | 02:13 |
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| [Sergiu] | how can i resolve this?:| | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | read the manpage for iptables>? | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | What is calling iptables? | 02:14 |
| [Sergiu] | -A INPUT -p tcp -s 10.10.10.2 -n 895 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT | 02:14 |
| [Sergiu] | oups | 02:15 |
| [Sergiu] | no | 02:15 |
| [Sergiu] | "-A INPUT -p tcp -s 10.10.10.3 --dport 895 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT" | 02:15 |
| [Sergiu] | this is correct :) | 02:15 |
| [Sergiu] | and on n900 this say.. "no chain/target/bla" | 02:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | Right - so there is either no chain, or no target, or no match | 02:16 |
| SpeedEvil | You probably have an input chain, | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | so it's not that | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | check that all of the elements in the specification are supported by loaded modules or the existing configuration | 02:17 |
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| [Sergiu] | i`m not linux master :) | 02:17 |
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| [Sergiu] | but,on my centos box command is correct...i dont know wath's worng on n900 | 02:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'd have to study the manpage a bit and have a play to get that working | 02:20 |
| [Sergiu] | uhm,ok :< | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | iptables -L on the centos box | 02:21 |
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| [Sergiu] | ACCEPT tcp -- 10.10.10.3 anywhere tcp dpt:895 state NEW | 02:24 |
| [Sergiu] | :) | 02:24 |
| [Sergiu] | that's wath i want.. | 02:24 |
| [Sergiu] | i want to close all ports and accept only 895 from 1.2.3.4 | 02:24 |
| SpeedEvil | that won't quite do that | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | you can't have an accept rule, without a reject rule | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | well - you can | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 02:25 |
| [Sergiu] | reject rules running oK on n900 | 02:25 |
| [Sergiu] | accept rule no :| | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | The various rules are implemented by kernel modules | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | you have to have the kernel module loaded, or compiled in, before you can use it | 02:26 |
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| [Sergiu] | since going to close all ports, I suppose I should go and open 895's, probably should be reworded somehow command .. | 02:29 |
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| [Sergiu] | sorry,for my bad english,i use G translator :)) | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | iptables rules aren't exactly trivial. Especially a single rule doesn't say anything without the context, which is other rules plus basic config | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so probably on your centos you got some predefined rules and configs that match this rule you are trying, while on N900 those are missing or defined differently | 02:33 |
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| [Sergiu] | defined differently,i think.. | 02:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iptables -L INPUT | 02:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oh, SpeedEvil said that :-) | 03:09 |
| lolloo | how can I ma e download bandwidth on N900 higher? | 03:12 |
| lolloo | make* | 03:12 |
| lolloo | when I download its only 15kbps | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Sergiu]: -m state should try to modprobe a module aiui | 03:13 |
| lolloo | but I have over 8mbit wireless | 03:13 |
| lolloo | how can I use it on my N900? | 03:13 |
| lolloo | how can remove the limit of my download speed? | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Sergiu]: man iptables; / *state$ | 03:14 |
| lolloo | it's limited 15kbps | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | lolloo: It's possible you are having probnelms with wifi powersaving. | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Some routers do not peoperly implement it. | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume you mean wifi? | 03:16 |
| lolloo | yes | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Sergiu]: Possible states are ... NEW meaning that the packet has started a new connection... | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Sergiu]: which possibly isn't exactly what you thought and wanted anyway | 03:16 |
| lolloo | so what do you think I should do? | 03:17 |
| lolloo | how do I stop powersaving? | 03:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Go to settings - internet connections - select your connection, and tehn page through tot the end of settings, where you can turn wifi powersave off | 03:17 |
| lolloo | awesome | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | does that mean it fixed your issue? | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I doubt, regarding the RTT | 03:19 |
| lolloo | need testing.. not yet hehe | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you found the PS setting anyway? | 03:19 |
| lolloo | me? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:19 |
| lolloo | yes I did | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 03:19 |
| lolloo | ta | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | set it to "none" | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or "off" or whatever that's in your locale | 03:21 |
| lolloo | haha | 03:22 |
| lolloo | true its off here | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | while you're there you can check the power one above is set to 10mW | 03:22 |
| lolloo | shall I set it 100mw | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, usually that's useless | 03:23 |
| lolloo | awesome | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should check your channel which the AP selected isn't contaminated by other stations on same or a nearby channe | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | l | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | when your neighbour has an AP on 1 or 2 channels up/down of yours, there can be severe interferences that cause bandwidth to go thru the floor | 03:25 |
| lolloo | ahaa | 03:25 |
| lolloo | good point! | 03:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or a microwave oven. | 03:26 |
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| lolloo | hhhhh | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wifiEye - excellent to estimate channel contamination | 03:40 |
| lolloo | is that in app manager? | 03:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer gasps on taking a look at his own wifi situation | 03:43 | |
| lolloo | hhhhhh | 03:44 |
| lolloo | how is it? | 03:45 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lolloo: all idiots having a party on chan 1 now? o.O | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | I once chosen chan3 as it was the cleanest | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | nowit seems chan12 is almost empty, as everybody loves chan1 now | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | doesn't look plausible to me | 03:55 |
| iluminator101 | hey guys, I am looking for a timer app for n900 any suggestions thanks in advance | 03:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, there are several timers and tea/egg-watches | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depends on what you're looking for. Alarmed is usually best you can get | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | no shiny simple GUI, but can do all cron-alike things and more | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's no stopwatch though | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I's just ok for setting up the reminder of your wedding day, your next dentist appointment, and automate the daily backup run | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | switching profile to silent at 22:30, and back to normal when the mp3 player kicks your ass out of bed next day | 04:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, it has no snooze (me makes a note to file an omprovement request) | 04:01 |
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| Macer | hm. anybody know why mobilehotspot is broken? | 04:18 |
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| Macer | dpkg: error processing mobilehotspot (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 | 04:21 |
| Macer | wtf | 04:21 |
| iluminator101 | what about an easy to use media player that can do playlist something like qmms | 04:22 |
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| Macer | cat: write error: No space left on device | 04:27 |
| Macer | wtf | 04:27 |
| Macer | no space left on device to install power kernel | 04:27 |
| johnx | that sucks | 04:28 |
| Macer | pr1.3 is such a friggin regression | 04:28 |
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| wmarone | how so? | 04:29 |
| Macer | /tmp keeps filling up | 04:29 |
| wmarone | hmm | 04:29 |
| wmarone | haven't hit that one yet, what's causing it? | 04:29 |
| Macer | who knows. never had these stupid problems with 1.2 | 04:30 |
| Macer | not to mention apps that no longer work | 04:30 |
| Macer | i cant remember if the cam is broken with power kernel 42 | 04:31 |
| wmarone | wouldn't that be a bug in power kernel? | 04:31 |
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| balrog-k1n | hey, how do i tell maemo that i'm already connected and don't want it to try to connect wirelessly when i open the browser or do anything else? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a 'bug' in fcam drivers not matching the pk | 04:36 |
| balrog-k1n | optimally i want it to power down the wireless to save power | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yeah, a proper pre-install script should check for sufficient free space on storage | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | balrog-k1n: that's a bit fuzzy a question, anyway I suppose you mean you have a connection set up that's not using the maemo connection manager (the name of which I can't recall right now - must be Freud) | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | in this case prepare to run into some pitfalls | 04:39 |
| balrog-k1n | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i had to set it up manually because it doesn't seem the connection manager would let me just connect over usb like every other device i use :) | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik there's no clean solution to that problem | 04:40 |
| balrog-k1n | palm's webos is clever enough not to ask you to connect until it gets a "no route to host" or something | 04:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure how PC Connectivity Manager is handling this, and if it works on maemo4 or even on maemo5 | 04:44 |
| Termana | balrog-k1n, make sure you have done a route add | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway to me the UI looks like it's the most integrated way to deal with USB networking | 04:45 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer: I'm pretty sure when he says "connection manager" he means the N900's connection manager not the "PC Connectivity Manager" (what even is that? Some kind of Windows software?) | 04:46 |
| balrog-k1n | perhaps there is a n900 UI for setting up USB networking? | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: aiui it's not the problem of a missing route that would stop connectivity all together. It's the maemo connection manager *thinks* it's not online and asks to crank up wifi or GPRS despite there *is* a path to internet | 04:46 |
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| balrog-k1n | Termana: ifup should have done the route add part for me | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | balrog-k1n: check HAM for PC connectivity manager | 04:47 |
| balrog-k1n | it seems to work because i can access google from the command line, only can't do anything in the maemo's browser because it thinks i'm not connected | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 04:48 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer: when I used ofono in a chroot I had the same problem, fixing route fixed it | 04:48 |
| Termana | IIRC | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's like KNetworkManager telling all the netowrk apps like konqueror and Kontact etc to go to offline mode, despite you have set up a NIC with ifconfig and route | 04:49 |
| pupnik | http://imgur.com/QCoTY?full pray for your enemies... | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you are connected to internet, but the system isn't aware of it | 04:50 |
| Termana | balrog-k1n, actually, does it pop open the connection list when you try and use the browser or does it just sit there? | 04:50 |
| Termana | (sit there looking like it's trying to load) | 04:50 |
| balrog-k1n | DocScrutinizer: oh, i'm back to square one, i went to the app manager to look for the PC connectivity manager you mentioned but app manager wants me to connect to internet first :) | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:51 |
| balrog-k1n | Termana: it pops up the wireless connections list | 04:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/pc-connectivity-manager/ | 04:52 |
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| balrog-k1n | DocScrutinizer: thanks, i'll try it out | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | balrog-k1n: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=704813#post704813 | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | balrog-k1n: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=564548#post564548 | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | up to you | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | as I said above, I never came to testing it | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | It just *looks* kinda good | 05:14 |
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| pupnik | evninn | 05:20 |
| pupnik | what's news DocScrutinizer | 05:20 |
| pupnik | electric heaters are addictive | 05:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohyes | 05:21 |
| * SpeedEvil bemoans the lack of small water-water heat-pumps. | 05:26 | |
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| johnx | SpeedEvil, how small? | 05:35 |
| pupnik | just sitting here blasting my feet | 05:37 |
| pupnik | all's well with the world | 05:37 |
| SpeedEvil | johnx: About 0.5Kwe | 05:37 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe 1 | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.virtualvillage.de/peltier-element-320w-cpu-kuhler-warmepumpe-001540-001.html http://www.virtualvillage.de/158w-peltierelement-peltier-element-kuhlen-heizen-001540-003.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=shcomp http://www.conrad.de/ce/ProductDetail.html?hk=WW4&insert=V0&WT.mc_id=Froogle2&productcode=189182&utm_source=google&utm_medium=deeplink&utm_content=dl_article&utm_campaign=g_shopping | 05:41 |
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| luke-jr | why doesn't every CPU have 100 cores yet? | 05:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Peltiers blow hard when it comes to Coefficient of Performance | 05:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | depending on what you need them for, they for sure are the better electric heaters for example | 05:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://www.inbthermoelectric.com/Thermoelectric-Peltier-Modules/Low-Cost.html | 05:45 |
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| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I have no trouble writing massively multithreaded servers | 05:52 |
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| luke-jr | by that I mean 20-25 threads on average ;) | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | could easily get up to 50 here I think | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | (at any given instant) | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - compared to resistive, they are good. | 05:54 |
| SpeedEvil | But compared to 'proper' heatpumps which get a gain of 5 | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, 15W input, 8.5W thermal pump equiv. looks like factor 1.6 | 05:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | really not great | 05:59 |
| pupnik | isn't that dependent on the temperature gradient? | 05:59 |
| cehteh | mhm coolchips seem never get a real product out | 05:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's at 0 delta-T | 05:59 |
| cehteh | http://coolchips.gi/ | 05:59 |
| cehteh | i watch them since many years ... but no progress | 06:00 |
| SpeedEvil | At a usable gradient - say 20C - they're even worse. | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | I max - Current resulting in greatest ΔT of TE micro cooler | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | U max - Voltage of TE micro cooler at ΔT max | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ΔT max - Maximum temperature difference of TE micro cooler | 06:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Q max - Maximum heat pumping capacity of TE micro cooler (I=I max, ΔT=0) | 06:00 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: from the site, I'd say they look like patent trolls | 06:01 |
| SpeedEvil | You need to find a datasheet with graphs. | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | they get enough figured out to make a probable patent, but never finish | 06:01 |
| luke-jr | when someone else finishes it, they demand royalties | 06:01 |
| cehteh | or they just cant realize it | 06:02 |
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| cehteh | burning venture capital | 06:02 |
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| pupnik | lol @ wikileaks | 06:10 |
| JakDaRippa | don't know much about linux, but i just finished installing debian in an old box, plugged in my n900 via usb and...nothing. wtf??? | 06:10 |
| pupnik | JakDaRippa: nothing is supposed to happen | 06:11 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, try and be specific. what did you expect to happen? | 06:11 |
| pupnik | unless you mount the device | 06:11 |
| JakDaRippa | i want to use something like a file explorer | 06:11 |
| johnx | also, if you don't know much about linux, debian might not be the best distro for you unless you're ready to read and learn | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | JakDaRippa: ugly | 06:11 |
| JakDaRippa | i want to trade pics between my pc and my n900 | 06:11 |
| luke-jr | JakDaRippa: use wifi | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | USB is for charging | 06:12 |
| JakDaRippa | i'm ready to read and learn | 06:12 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, great. what desktop environment are you using? | 06:12 |
| cehteh | hehe .. i am happily disabled the usb mounting dialog .. only charging | 06:12 |
| JakDaRippa | fluxbox | 06:12 |
| pupnik | JakDaRippa: well i first scan for new devices with cat /proc/partitions | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | JakDaRippa: … | 06:12 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, and what file manager? | 06:12 |
| luke-jr | JakDaRippa: install KDE | 06:13 |
| JakDaRippa | konqueror | 06:13 |
| pupnik | then i'll see something like 8 17 491520 sdb1.... so then i mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb | 06:13 |
| cehteh | JakDaRippa: did the device pop up some dialog about if you want storage mode oder pc-suite? | 06:13 |
| johnx | ok. you probably don't have any kind of auto volume management setup | 06:13 |
| JakDaRippa | i think it's sdb | 06:13 |
| cehteh | thats good! | 06:13 |
| * cehteh hates this automatics | 06:13 | |
| pupnik | then i copy files from n900 to pc with cp /media/usb/home/user/something/* . | 06:13 |
| johnx | cehteh, fair enough. you're the perfect person to help him then :) | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | JakDaRippa: fyi, both N900 and your PC can't access pics at the same time | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | JakDaRippa: so if you DO mount over USB, N900 won't have access anymore to it | 06:14 |
| JakDaRippa | ok | 06:14 |
| luke-jr | but seriously, just go over wifi | 06:15 |
| luke-jr | fish://root@NokiaN900/home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ | 06:15 |
| cehteh | open a console and type man man ... all the rest is self explanatory .. come back in 2-5 years if you have still problems :) | 06:15 |
| cehteh | :> | 06:16 |
| johnx | cehteh++ | 06:16 |
| JakDaRippa | it was sdb and i was able to mount it to /mnt/nokia :-) | 06:17 |
| pupnik | cool JakDaRippa - well there should be a couple of different partitions visible as sdb1 sdb2 ... | 06:18 |
| * luke-jr wonders why JakDaRippa installed Debian | 06:18 | |
| pupnik | to have fun with linux? | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | N900 seems more Windows-friendly than Linux-friendly really | 06:18 |
| JakDaRippa | i want to learn linux and i'm getting sick if bsod | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | cool | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | does Windows still have BSOD? | 06:18 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 06:18 |
| JakDaRippa | no, but it still freezes | 06:19 |
| pupnik | i read "getting sick of BSD" | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | i c | 06:19 |
| * luke-jr hasn't used Windows in about 8 years | 06:19 | |
| cehteh | luke-jr: yes, its really pita, actice-sync, exchange stuff .. but no imap idle and other things one expect as unixian | 06:19 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: meh, KDE doesn't have proper IMAP IDLE either | 06:19 |
| JakDaRippa | i've used linux for about 8 minutes | 06:20 |
| cehteh | ok claws hasnt either but thunderbird has | 06:20 |
| cehteh | while it makes more sense on a mobile device imo | 06:20 |
| pupnik | JakDaRippa: one "file explorer" some people like to use is 'thunar' | 06:20 |
| * cehteh uses 'ls' | 06:21 | |
| johnx | and I think you can use xfce w/ fluxbox and get a little bit of both. have fluxbox manage windows and let xfce provide panels and file manager | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | cehteh: Thunderbird is a Windows app | 06:21 |
| johnx | it's still pretty lightweight | 06:21 |
| JakDaRippa | trying to learn the cli way | 06:21 |
| cehteh | some hardcore ppl use 'echo *' :) | 06:21 |
| pupnik | wtg JakDaRippa | 06:21 |
| JakDaRippa | ls seems to work just fine | 06:21 |
| pupnik | "ls" works everywhere. | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | pupnik: not so | 06:21 |
| luke-jr | 'ls' fails on stale NFS handle mountpoints | 06:22 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, hats off to you, sir :D | 06:22 |
| JakDaRippa | thanx | 06:22 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, are you focusing on servery stuff or just planning to go totally CLI for "desktop" use? following a guide/howto or just googling like mad? | 06:26 |
| balrog-k1n | DocScrutinizer51: thanks for the forum link. i went to a wiki page from there that explains how to make the init scripts automatically notify the connectivity daemons that we're now connected, or disconnected, through d-bus | 06:27 |
| JakDaRippa | mostly alot of google | 06:27 |
| balrog-k1n | haven't tried it yet, but it looks like it should work | 06:27 |
| balrog-k1n | laters | 06:27 |
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| JakDaRippa | there's a ton of info to find most anything i'm trying to do | 06:28 |
| JakDaRippa | patience + reading + trial and error (and error, and error) seem to be working out for me | 06:29 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, I'm trying to remember stuff that I wish people told me when I first started but assumed I had already known. interested? | 06:29 |
| JakDaRippa | sure | 06:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | johnx: like 'never use "<cmd>" to get info about some command, rather always use "<cmd> --help" ' | 06:36 |
| johnx | heh. didn't think of that, but yeah | 06:36 |
| johnx | also, apparently if you write a long post into pastebin, firefox will hang hilariously | 06:36 |
| JakDaRippa | i was wondering what happened | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | JakDaRippa: USB is a mere PITA. I use WLAN with a AP in managed mode, have DHCP in that router set up to assign a fixed IP to N900, added "192.168.4.33 N900" to my /etc/hosts, installed and configured ssh server to N900, and now I do in konqueror: "sftp://root@n900/" - have a bookmark for that | 06:39 |
| johnx | ah, CLI alternatives are: sftp / scp / sshfs | 06:40 |
| johnx | sshfs is *awesome* | 06:40 |
| johnx | (and when it times out can be easily killed off, unlike nfs ...) | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | but also a bit clumsy | 06:40 |
| JakDaRippa | i've done ssh, but never heard of sshfs | 06:40 |
| JakDaRippa | got some reading to do | 06:41 |
| johnx | it "mounts" an fs over ssh using FUSE | 06:41 |
| johnx | http://pastie.org/1331490 | 06:41 |
| johnx | some stuff to get you started | 06:41 |
| JakDaRippa | thanx | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | on sshfs? o.O | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | not exactly the best starting point | 06:41 |
| JakDaRippa | should i 'apt-get install sshfs' ? | 06:41 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, hmm, just general things I was typing up before | 06:41 |
| johnx | <- multi-tasking | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | JakDaRippa: you got ssh metapackage client&server installed? | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | on N900 | 06:42 |
| JakDaRippa | yes | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine :-) | 06:42 |
| JakDaRippa | i'm logged into this box right now | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got WLAN? | 06:42 |
| JakDaRippa | yes | 06:42 |
| johnx | ah, and apt: install apt-file, then you can apt-file search $cmd_that_isnt_installed | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got the IP of N900? | 06:43 |
| JakDaRippa | yes | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | so try in konqueror addr input: "sftp://root@<IP-of-N900>" | 06:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's awesome comfortable - you can even rightclick files and open with any app, like kate etc (on KDE, no idea if fluxbox does that too) | 06:46 |
| JakDaRippa | Error encountered while talking to ssh. | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 06:46 |
| johnx | sftp installed? | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, on PC | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 06:48 |
| johnx | (I mean it should be, but i dunno) | 06:48 |
| JakDaRippa | doh! | 06:48 |
| JakDaRippa | installing it now | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | if ssh is there, sftp should as well | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd guess | 06:48 |
| JakDaRippa | ssh is on n900, not on pc | 06:48 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, and you know about tab-completion on the CLI, right? | 06:48 |
| JakDaRippa | not yet anyway | 06:48 |
| JakDaRippa | yes | 06:48 |
| JakDaRippa | i like that | 06:48 |
| johnx | just checking. I've seen some people do the most painful damn things since they don't know about tab-complete or 'up' or ctrl+r | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | you know about alt-. for fetching last argument? | 06:49 |
| johnx | I don't :) | 06:49 |
| JakDaRippa | no, i don't | 06:49 |
| JakDaRippa | E. Package sftp has no installation candidate | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | sftp is in pkg ssh | 06:50 |
| JakDaRippa | installed | 06:50 |
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| JakDaRippa | ah, but i need to start it | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | err nope | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | not on client side | 06:50 |
| JakDaRippa | nope already started | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | on server side (here N900) sshd handles sftp calls | 06:51 |
| johnx | so, make sure you can ssh and sftp to the N900 from the CLI | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 06:51 |
| JakDaRippa | i'm in | 06:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root <IP-of-N900> | 06:52 |
| JakDaRippa | wait...i can ssh | 06:52 |
| JakDaRippa | not sftp from konqueror | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | now I'd say try sftp from cli | 06:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | sftp --help for a start | 06:53 |
| JakDaRippa | -sh: sftp://root@192.168.0.5: not found | 06:54 |
| JakDaRippa | :-/ | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 06:55 |
| JakDaRippa | wait | 06:55 |
| JakDaRippa | i was trying from with ssh | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 06:55 |
| JakDaRippa | ok, now it STILL doesn't work | 06:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> sftp root@IroN900 | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | Connecting to IroN900... | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | sftp> | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | (I got a ssh key on N900 - so no password dialog) | 06:57 |
| johnx | and you can 'ls' once in with sftp? | 06:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 06:58 |
| johnx | ah, sorry, missed who I was responding to :) | 06:58 |
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| johnx | hooking up video stuff and looking at IRC from time to time :) | 06:58 |
| JakDaRippa | it looks as if sftp isn't installed on the pc | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird | 06:59 |
| JakDaRippa | is it possible to have ssh installed with out sftp? | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I just wonder | 07:00 |
| johnx | on debian, if you installed ssh, sftp should come along with it | 07:00 |
| johnx | ls /usr/bin/sftp | 07:00 |
| JakDaRippa | yep | 07:00 |
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| johnx | sftp root@$192.168.0.xxx | 07:01 |
| johnx | where that xxx is the right one for your N900 | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no $ ! | 07:02 |
| JakDaRippa | i got it | 07:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sftp> ? | 07:04 |
| JakDaRippa | i was trying sftp://root@192.168.0.5 | 07:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, that's for konqueror | 07:04 |
| JakDaRippa | didn't need :// | 07:04 |
| johnx | :// means "this is a URL" | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | on commandline it's <command> <parameters> always, where <command> here is sftp | 07:05 |
| johnx | generally you feed a URL to a program, not just type it straight into the term | 07:05 |
| johnx | sorry about the $. I was about to type $IP_of_nokia but thought that would be confusing :) | 07:05 |
| johnx | $foo is a variable in bash, and lots of people use it in instructions where it means "fill in the right thing in your case" | 07:06 |
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| JakDaRippa | this is way cooler than trying it the usb way | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet | 07:06 |
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| JakDaRippa | and i can do this from anywhere | 07:06 |
| JakDaRippa | not just home | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | now try sftp://root@192.168.0.5 in konqueror's address input | 07:06 |
| JakDaRippa | do i have to disconnect from cli ? or will it take simultaneous connections> | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 07:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | it will take hundereds of concurrent connections | 07:08 |
| JakDaRippa | oh this is great! | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | toldya | 07:08 |
| johnx | wait until you try sshfs from the CLI :) | 07:08 |
| johnx | it can be clunky sometimes, but it's pretty awesome | 07:08 |
| JakDaRippa | i can see now that i'm going to be up all night with this and late to work tomorrow | 07:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 07:09 |
| johnx | do you work in IT? | 07:09 |
| JakDaRippa | no, i wish | 07:09 |
| johnx | well, a love of this stuff and genuine interest is a start :) | 07:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | JakDaRippa: well, now you actually can *share* pictures between N900 and PC | 07:11 |
| JakDaRippa | doing it right now | 07:11 |
| JakDaRippa | used the 'get' command | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, you're still on cmdline sftp? | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | try konqueror! | 07:12 |
| JakDaRippa | i have that opened too | 07:13 |
| JakDaRippa | wow. a ton more folders | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess in konqueror you can not only copy and delete your files/pictures, you probably even can view them | 07:14 |
| JakDaRippa | i think i need to hide the hidden folders again | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 07:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure you really want to do that. N900 has a few hidden folders that are really braindamaged by concept | 07:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | e.g sftp://root@iron900/home/user/MyDocs/.images | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | or .documents, same place | 07:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in holdon filemanager and file selection dialogs that becomes N900/Pictures and N900/Documents | 07:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | .videos | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I hear he's amazed | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 07:20 |
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| JakDaRippa | i just copied a movie to the phone. it looks amazing | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, probably it's time for a backup :-D | 07:22 |
| johnx | huh, I should integrate my N900 into my rsnapshot backups ... | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | also be aware when you copy files under root account to N900, you may not be able to access them on the N900 - you're 'user' there | 07:23 |
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| JakDaRippa | nothing chmod +ax can't handle | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you might want to change the file permissions of those files to "others allowed to read/write" | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 07:24 |
| johnx | or setup access as user | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | even better | 07:24 |
| johnx | either make a password for user or setup access by public key | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | the latter the better here | 07:24 |
| JakDaRippa | i'll try that tomorrow. g/f is getting pissed i won't come to bed. g'nite all and thanx | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 07:25 |
| johnx | JakDaRippa, 'night | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | passwd user | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | done for sftp://user@N900 | 07:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for ssh-key you just need to copy over the public key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 07:30 |
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| Macer | ugh | 08:01 |
| Macer | i give up on mobilehotspot | 08:01 |
| Macer | i almost feel like downgrading to 1.2 | 08:01 |
| Macer | things seem to have gotten worse in 1.3... nokia should have just left it abandoned when they sai | 08:02 |
| Macer | they were making meego | 08:02 |
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| Jay_BEE | is Ovi Suite written in Qt? | 08:06 |
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| Macer | cam doesnt work with the power kernel | 08:06 |
| Macer | and mobilehotspot is broken | 08:06 |
| Macer | awesome | 08:07 |
| Macer | let me try the bt dun scripts | 08:07 |
| Jay_BEE | [22:06]<Macer>cam doesnt work with the power kernel <--- works fine with me.. i'm using .45 pk... perhaps you need to upgrade the fcam drivers | 08:07 |
| Macer | hm. maybe? | 08:08 |
| Macer | i just gave up. all i want to do is tether | 08:08 |
| Macer | :) | 08:08 |
| Jay_BEE | the fcam drivers that come with blessn900 will not work... there's a link somewhere in the forums for the newer ones | 08:08 |
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| Jay_BEE | what problem are you having with mobilehotspot? | 08:09 |
| Macer | Jay_BEE: just fails.. thought it might be the modules it installs but didnt work on it much just yet | 08:09 |
| Macer | kind of got sidetracked with the broken cam with the power kernel | 08:09 |
| Jay_BEE | admittedly mobilehotspot too is not working for me... I'm able to start it but oddly I'm prompted for a password when I do.. i'm on T-Mobile (USA) | 08:11 |
| Macer | me too | 08:11 |
| Macer | i am going to try bt dun | 08:11 |
| Macer | but am unsure how to use it | 08:11 |
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| Macer | i am looking for instructions now | 08:12 |
| Macer | i would rather use bt anyways... less power than wifi | 08:12 |
| RST38h | <yawn> | 08:13 |
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| Macer | well. seems simple enough. let me see if i can bt tether a macbook | 08:17 |
| Termana | If it doesn't work it's the Macbook's fault | 08:17 |
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| DHR | I'm trying to set up my n800 after flashing. I want some SDK packages so I'd like to add the sdk and tools repos. This page http://repository.maemo.org/ says to use http://repository.maemo.org/install/diablo-tools.install to install those. Unfortunately, that link is broken. | 08:23 |
| DHR | 1) how do I report this problem? Is there a replacement? | 08:23 |
| DHR | (oh, that was 2 too) | 08:24 |
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| Dhraakellian | hrm | 08:32 |
| Dhraakellian | I really need to change my highlights regex | 08:32 |
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| pcfe | Which file determines the placement of icons and widgets on the desktops in maemo5? (I want to edit it directly so that my icons are aligned, doing this with stylus is a PITA) | 08:49 |
| Macer | oh hell yeah | 08:49 |
| Macer | got the bt dun going | 08:49 |
| Macer | that'll work :) | 08:49 |
| Macer | what is the speed on the bt dun? | 08:49 |
| pcfe | less than what 3G gives you | 08:50 |
| Macer | well. i'm in chicago... 3G on tmob kind of sucks regardless | 08:50 |
| pcfe | I'd have to dig out the exact numbers though | 08:50 |
| Macer | especially where i am. for some reason it goes incredibly slow | 08:50 |
| Macer | isn't the dun bt 2.0? | 08:50 |
| Macer | i thought it was like.. 11mb | 08:51 |
| pcfe | Ah OK, I am in Finland. If it's less than 3mbit in a populated area sth is wrong and if it's less than 7mbit in city center then also sth is wrong, guess we're spoiled | 08:51 |
| pupnik | DHR you don't want to use an .install tool for commandline tools | 08:51 |
| pcfe | The nominal rate of EDR is about 3 Mbit/s, although the practical data transfer rate is 2.1 Mbit/s.[ | 08:52 |
| Macer | haha | 08:52 |
| pcfe | from wikipedia | 08:52 |
| Macer | 2.1 is good enough | 08:52 |
| Macer | let me try downloading something and see what i get :) | 08:52 |
| Macer | i would think that bt could keep up with the 3G connection tho | 08:52 |
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| Macer | i forget what bt dun is rated .. but i could have sworn it was 11mbit | 08:52 |
| Macer | but i could be wrong | 08:52 |
| Macer | not even sure what kind of bt the n900 uses but i would assume it is a recent revision | 08:53 |
| Macer | wow.. i am capping out at like 32KB/s | 08:55 |
| Macer | that is horrible | 08:55 |
| Macer | oh wait.. it just kind of picked up :) | 08:55 |
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| Macer | ok.. i just found the sweet spot ... al about propagation lol | 08:56 |
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| Macer | 108K/s | 08:56 |
| Macer | hm.. i'm hitting like 135K/s .. that isn't bad at all | 08:57 |
| Macer | blah. it just died on me :) | 08:58 |
| Macer | ah well... let me try out filezilla | 08:59 |
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| Macer | ah well .. at least this works on my macbook :) | 09:05 |
| Macer | good enough for me | 09:05 |
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| pupnik | whatever happened to that dude who came here working on speeding up pulseaudio | 09:07 |
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| Macer | i am sure he moved onto android or something else that will be around in a year | 09:08 |
| Macer | :) | 09:08 |
| Macer | well.. "be around" is a bad choice of words | 09:08 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:10 |
| Macer | i guess filezilla doesn't support connecting with keys? | 09:11 |
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| DHR | macer: I didn't actually want to use a command line tool. I wanted to use the GUI stuff (typing is an effort on the n800). | 09:27 |
| DHR | but I admit: my goal is to install less(1), clearly a command line tool. | 09:27 |
| DHR | It seems to be like pulling teeth. I'm not there yet. | 09:28 |
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| Macer | DHR: heh for? | 09:40 |
| Macer | i am still pissed i can't get my bt keyboard to autoconnect and work correctly when it worked so well on my n810 | 09:41 |
| Macer | what a let down | 09:41 |
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| Macer | damnit | 09:50 |
| Macer | can't seem to get this macbook to connect to my ddwrt pptp vpn | 09:50 |
| Macer | and now it's kind of stuck :) | 09:50 |
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| DHR | less(1) is what I'm used to. more(1) isn't good enough. | 09:51 |
| DHR | pptp? That's not very secure. | 09:51 |
| DHR | my BT keyboard now works with my n800. | 09:51 |
| Macer | heh | 09:52 |
| DHR | If I remember correctly, pptp security was broken about a decade ago. | 09:52 |
| Macer | dhr.. i never had a problem with my n800 or my n810 | 09:53 |
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| Macer | the n900 is crapy tho. there are bt hid scripts but they are not very stable... and almost impossible to get working properly. then the mappings ae off.. such as.. i can only get my keyboard to work properly when i have it open | 09:53 |
| Macer | then when i close it and open it again it loses the mappings.. on the n800 or n810 i could just use it | 09:53 |
| Macer | it was simple | 09:53 |
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| DHR | I typed "~" according to my keyboard, but got "*". | 09:54 |
| Macer | when i filed a bug related to this it was closed due to the fact that my description wasn't good enough... | 09:54 |
| Macer | and all the bug request was "in maemo5 on the n810 bluetooth keyboards would connect and work automatically. please add this feature to maemo 5" :) | 09:54 |
| Macer | i mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the request was.. but the bug people for maemo were such snobs | 09:55 |
| DHR | I don't have anything Maemo 5 so I don't know how similar the plumbing is. | 09:55 |
| Macer | anyways .. i have to reboot this macbook and try to get the vpn working | 09:55 |
| DHR | good luck. Good night. | 09:55 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:25 |
| Termana | morning Jaffa | 10:28 |
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| Jaffa | Termana: Ironic, considering he's allergic to milk ;-) | 10:30 |
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| auenf | argh, www2sms is broken on PR1.3? | 10:34 |
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| crashanddie_ | morning Termana, Jaffa | 10:44 |
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| Termana | morning crashanddie_ | 10:46 |
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| khertan | Morning all | 11:00 |
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| khertan | kernel:[639836.220608] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP | 11:17 |
| khertan | kernel:[639836.220837] Code: 86 28 01 00 00 48 8b b8 c0 20 00 00 48 83 c7 48 e8 48 fd 70 e0 3b 6c 24 24 7e 14 89 ee 48 c7 c7 68 0d c2 a0 31 c0 e8 43 ec 70 e0 <0f> 0b eb fe 48 83 c4 28 31 c0 5b 5d 41 5c 41 5d 41 5e 41 5f c3 | 11:17 |
| khertan | should i panic ? | 11:17 |
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| maybeWTF | your kernel may already have done that for you | 11:19 |
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| pupnik | <Re: Wikileaks> "Such disclosures put at risk our diplomats, intelligence professionals, and people around the world who come to the United States for assistance in promoting democracy and open government."-robert gibbs | 11:26 |
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| chem|st | pupnik: current case or just to let us know (quiet old quotation it seems to be) | 11:33 |
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| khertan | maybeWTF, the kernel didn't panic :) | 11:35 |
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| crashanddie_ | chem|st, does it matter? The Obama administration acknowledged the fact that none of the leaks to date put people's lives in danger. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Review_of_WikiLeaks_docs_sees_no_smoking_gun-99261354.html | 11:37 |
| crashanddie_ | "deputy assistant secretary of defense for media operations, told NBC News on Monday that a preliminary review by a Pentagon “assessment” team has so far not identified any documents whose release could damage national security. Moreover, he said, none of the documents reviewed so far carries a classification level above “secret” — the lowest category of intelligence material in terms of sensitivity. " | 11:37 |
| pupnik | chem|st: thouht it was ironc :) | 11:38 |
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| Jay_BEE | gn | 11:42 |
| lolloo | why do I get poor quality when calling usign skype? | 11:42 |
| lolloo | I reflashed my phone | 11:43 |
| lolloo | and flashed emmc | 11:43 |
| lolloo | and still I get bad quality | 11:43 |
| lolloo | this is frustrating | 11:43 |
| crashanddie_ | lolloo, flashing your hard drives doesn't make your internet faster | 11:43 |
| khertan | depends on network speed | 11:43 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Expect most of these statements to be posturing | 11:43 |
| lolloo | I disbaled wireless powersaving but didnt help | 11:43 |
| khertan | stop your p2p client | 11:44 |
| khertan | :) | 11:44 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: First, they say that the documents are grave threat to national security and attempt classifying Wikileaks as a terrorist organization | 11:44 |
| lolloo | I have 8mbit dsl | 11:44 |
| crashanddie_ | lolloo, in the same fashion that cleaning the tyres on your car doesn't make the engine run on marshmallows -- they're completely unrelated. | 11:44 |
| lolloo | ok I get it | 11:44 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: Once the documents are released and whatever damage is done, it is logicla to try discounting their importance | 11:44 |
| lolloo | but how to solve it thwn? | 11:44 |
| lolloo | then? | 11:44 |
| lolloo | how do I increase the download speed limit of my phone? | 11:45 |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h, that implicitly admits that the documents damaged anything. The only damage they could've done is to the blind trust people put in their government | 11:45 |
| lolloo | how do I make it download bandwidth more | 11:45 |
| crashanddie_ | ~enter | 11:46 |
| infobot | the enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', exclamation mark '!', question mark '?', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. | 11:46 |
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| crashanddie_ | RST38h, and of recent, I haven't noticed anything that warrants that trust. The government should fear its people, not the other way around. It's time things get back in place. | 11:47 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: basically, government statements neither prove nor disprove anything in this case | 11:48 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: the documents are full of lulz though | 11:48 |
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| RST38h | ...and Assange probably isn't going to see the next spring, one way or another... | 11:49 |
| crashanddie_ | of course he is | 11:49 |
| crashanddie_ | the media are following is every tweet, if he disappears, the government is going to get a lot more than just some dirty documents | 11:49 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: which government? :) | 11:50 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: Besides, the guy forcibly deflorated 18 Swiss virgins and a donkey, they can lock him up legally! | 11:50 |
| crashanddie_ | hearsay, your honour | 11:51 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: Here are the [former] virgins, here are their statements, and this is a medical examination of the donkey, guilty. | 11:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 curses the ID engineers that built a pinhole camera out of the ALS | 11:52 | |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: I mean, isn't there a sum of money which will make you state, on paper, that you have been raped by Julian Assange? No, seriously? | 11:52 |
| chem|st | RST38h: will be more like "he died in a car crash, he was speeding on his way home and lost control" that he got no car is irrelevant | 11:53 |
| crashanddie_ | well, I make a fair amount, pretty much double of what a good salary is in the area, I'm not fussed about money | 11:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | in a room with dark ceiling and a single spotlight, the display switches from max to min on 20 degrees tilt of N900 | 11:54 |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h, say I was raped? Probably not. Kill him? Definitely. | 11:54 |
| crashanddie_ | RST38h, I have a reputation to hold, no remorse though. | 11:54 |
| chem|st | lol | 11:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that's the result of placing the ALS several millimeters behind a pinhole the size of the ALS itself | 11:55 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Come on, just a few minutes of humiliation, and you have got yourself a nice house and that G-class Mercedes... | 11:55 |
| crashanddie_ | Heck, I'll kill him _while_ he's bumming me, for comic effect | 11:55 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: And you do not really need your name exposed, they will keep it secret to "protect the vectim" | 11:55 |
| RST38h | vicitm, sorry | 11:56 |
| crashanddie_ | bollocks. I've been on the narrow end of a telelens, I know how media works | 11:56 |
| crashanddie_ | definitely don't want to be on that side of the courtroom | 11:56 |
| RST38h | Ok, somebody else will get that house and a car | 11:56 |
| RST38h | There is plenty of people around, most of them would be willing to sign a paper | 11:56 |
| crashanddie_ | I've got the house, and car, motorbikes and bike! | 11:56 |
| crashanddie_ | Get a bum on the streets, he'll do it for a fag and a shot of the good stuff | 11:57 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: --sidenote-- it is G-Model or [ABCEMS]-Class | 11:59 |
| crashanddie_ | never heard of the Merco ABCEMS class | 11:59 |
| crashanddie_ | new model? | 11:59 |
| RST38h | chemist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class | 11:59 |
| crashanddie_ | or is that ABs-Complete Electro-Magnetic-Safety class? | 12:00 |
| chem|st | crashanddie_: I am just to lazy for that now... [A,B,C,E,M,S] | 12:00 |
| crashanddie_ | oh | 12:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 500SEC | 12:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | AMG original | 12:01 |
| chem|st | RST38h: nice... that is wrong as the G is no class like the others and Daimler refers to it as G-Model | 12:01 |
| tugrik | hmmm, got a weird problem where I can't type numbers into a contact field, and just get the letter "p" if I try typing a zero, anyone else seen that? | 12:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | LOL who was that idiot to DoD wikileaks? May I guess? | 12:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I never thought US special forces were SOOOO lame | 12:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder what they'll do when it's on torrent as a 300MB csv | 12:06 |
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| RST38h | chemist: Daimler's naming inside .DE and outside .DE differs | 12:07 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, it's already online | 12:07 |
| RST38h | chemist: That is probably the only explanation | 12:07 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, on i2p torrent | 12:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, but still under attack | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 12:07 |
| alterego | moaning | 12:08 |
| RST38h | Doc: They have to demonstrate to the higher-ups that they are doing something | 12:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah | 12:08 |
| RST38h | Doc: DoD is the only thing they can do right away | 12:08 |
| RST38h | DoS, sorry :) | 12:08 |
| chem|st | RST38h: I guess so, but they try to keep up with all the same, I thought in the US it is refered to as G-Wagen | 12:09 |
| RST38h | chemist: Wasn't available in the US until very recently | 12:09 |
| RST38h | chemist: Russians call it gelendwagen | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | also nice | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: nice, it is both even in germany... just looking at daimler.com and they mix it up just from the start themselves | 12:11 |
| chem|st | my uncle did the testing on the latest versions and told me that noone ever refers to it as G-Class | 12:12 |
| RST38h | chemist: O-class is buses, V-class is SUVs (recent), N-class is apparently delivery vans | 12:12 |
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| RST38h | s/SUVs/minivans I guess | 12:13 |
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| chem|st | V is Viano | 12:13 |
| chem|st | thats minivan | 12:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually that's all for ordinary folks. MB folks have types like W123, W126C | 12:14 |
| lolloo | is anyone experimenting terrible quality when making a call to a linux skype ? The people in the other side can hear me perfectly but after a while i can barely hear it ... The sound starts crackling | 12:15 |
| lolloo | I initially tought it could be some related to the wireless power save , so i disabled and still have the same problem. | 12:15 |
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| chem|st | V is also Vario Vito (all the same chassis I guess) minivan sized transports | 12:15 |
| chem|st | lolloo: have you tried the same with SIP? | 12:16 |
| khertan | achipa, hi, did you know in which case QSetting could be removed ? | 12:16 |
| RST38h | chm|st: there is also a tiny minivan with V designation I think | 12:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lolloo: sounds like linux skype of 2006 | 12:16 |
| lolloo | both networks are 1Mb/512kb DSL . I made the test with no other programs using network. | 12:16 |
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| RST38h | chemist: almost the size of B-class | 12:16 |
| achipa | khertan: removed as in ? uninstall, ignore or ? | 12:16 |
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| chem|st | RST38h: uh that small?! got a picture of that? | 12:16 |
| lolloo | the other end Vista | 12:17 |
| lolloo | I wan on my phone | 12:17 |
| lolloo | what do you think guys? | 12:17 |
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| chem|st | lolloo: you want vista on your phone | 12:17 |
| chem|st | ? | 12:17 |
| lolloo | did you read what I said before | 12:18 |
| RST38h | chemIst: I will snap one if I see it again (it has made a nest at some courtyard near our appatment complex) | 12:18 |
| lolloo | The people in the other side can hear me perfectly but after a while i can barely hear it ... The sound starts crackling ... And the only solution is hang up and call again ... | 12:19 |
| lolloo | using skype | 12:19 |
| khertan | achipa, the settings of Khweeteur seems lost at each update of pyqt | 12:19 |
| achipa | khertan: do you do .sync() ? | 12:19 |
| khertan | sync ... | 12:19 |
| chem|st | lolloo: you are repeating yourself | 12:19 |
| khertan | hum .... | 12:19 |
| achipa | oh, you mean you update pyqt and lose the qsettings ? | 12:19 |
| khertan | achipa, yep exactly | 12:19 |
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| achipa | that's weird... does it get re-created in another place maybe ? | 12:20 |
| khertan | achipa, i don't think | 12:20 |
| chem|st | lolloo: friday I was on my way out, already outside office and a skype call rang, answered it in the parking lot... | 12:20 |
| achipa | asking since there is nothing version-specific in settings files... | 12:21 |
| achipa | (as in qt/pyqt couldn't tell which version it was made with even if it wanted to) | 12:21 |
| lolloo | pr1.3? | 12:21 |
| chem|st | lolloo: yes | 12:21 |
| chem|st | other end is windows | 12:21 |
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| lolloo | didnt The sound starts crackling | 12:22 |
| lolloo | after a a while.. | 12:22 |
| lolloo | mine does | 12:22 |
| khertan | achipa, ok so surely something in my code os | 12:23 |
| khertan | so | 12:23 |
| chem|st | lolloo: it does that at my desk as I am in a weak spot, moving just outside of my office everything is fine, and as friday night showed even outside the buidling | 12:26 |
| lolloo | hmmm | 12:27 |
| chem|st | lolloo: have you tried with another router | 12:27 |
| achipa | khertan: grep/doublecheck that the config file doesn't get created in some other path by accident | 12:27 |
| lolloo | not really | 12:28 |
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| trumee | lolloo: check for tcp/udp timeouts in your router | 12:32 |
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| trumee | with sip, i have the same problem. crackling sounds after a few minutes. and i think it is due to incorrect timeout in tcp/udp | 12:33 |
| trumee | somebody more knowledgeable than i can probably comment better. But i increased the udp timeout in my ddwrt router from 120 seconds to 300 seconds. and the situation has improved after that | 12:34 |
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| trumee | lolloo: you could try rebooting the router, so it looses all connections. and after the reboot you dont have any crackles, it could be that issue. | 12:35 |
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| Macer | wow | 12:39 |
| Macer | cute explorer doesnt show any progress for moving files :) | 12:39 |
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| chem|st | trumee: he is already gone | 12:40 |
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| Macer | trying to clear the sd so i can try nitdroid out | 12:41 |
| Funnyfacelap | I finally figured out why I couldn't get "3.5G" speeds when connected with my computer | 12:41 |
| chem|st | trumee: but yes, wifi settings are getting me off by now, for proper pulseaudio network usage I'd like to know more about multicast wifi protocols | 12:41 |
| chem|st | Macer: 009 out? | 12:42 |
| Funnyfacelap | if a data connection is active on the phone itself, the phone won't give me 3.5G speed on the DUN connection | 12:42 |
| Macer | chem|st: dont know | 12:42 |
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| Macer | i honestly forgot which version i tried last | 12:42 |
| Macer | i want to see if the modem works | 12:42 |
| chem|st | Macer: did you have gsm networking? | 12:42 |
| Macer | last time i couldnt get any data over the modem | 12:42 |
| Macer | but it connected to tmob i think | 12:43 |
| Macer | couldnt do much with it tho | 12:43 |
| Macer | they have kind of gotten the modem to work | 12:43 |
| chem|st | Macer: ok that is working fine, you need to remove sim-lock before booting to droid as there is no lock handler working | 12:43 |
| Macer | remove sim lock? | 12:43 |
| Macer | where is that in the wiki? can you point it out? | 12:44 |
| chem|st | Macer: I do not know why they call it sim-lock as I understand a complete different thing but what they mean is the lock-code (PIN) | 12:44 |
| Macer | is that even possible? lol | 12:44 |
| Macer | i thought tmob sets the pin on the sim | 12:44 |
| chem|st | Macer: sure but you can deactivate it any time | 12:45 |
| Macer | speaking of which... tmob gave me a sim.. they forgot to remove it from a g2 my gf got | 12:45 |
| chem|st | and you can change your pin... | 12:45 |
| Macer | really? | 12:45 |
| chem|st | Macer: ROFL | 12:46 |
| Macer | hm.. is there a default??e of phone lock?[D[C | 12:46 |
| Macer | it is a blank sim | 12:46 |
| Macer | was wondering if c.j | 12:46 |
| Macer | i can clone mine | 12:46 |
| chem|st | Macer: you simcard comes with a PIN and a PUK the first you may change or deactivate | 12:46 |
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| Macer | hmj.... let me take a look | 12:47 |
| Macer | where would you do that in maemo? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | Macer: settings -> phone | 12:47 |
| Macer | ok | 12:48 |
| Macer | let me take a look | 12:48 |
| chem|st | there you need to wait a bit at it is greyed out at first | 12:48 |
| chem|st | on the bottom you get SIM card with a PIN code request checkbox | 12:48 |
| Macer | so what isnt working? | 12:48 |
| chem|st | Microphone | 12:49 |
| Macer | just the cams now? | 12:49 |
| Macer | microphone? so no talking ? :) | 12:49 |
| chem|st | yes | 12:49 |
| chem|st | you may have some hickup with GSM/3G too depends on your network but that should work now | 12:50 |
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| Macer | so cams still dont work ywet too? | 12:51 |
| Macer | man what i would give for a good android on this thing | 12:51 |
| chem|st | afair nope | 12:51 |
| Macer | i mean nowadays the n900 isnt the best hardware.. but still... would be nice | 12:51 |
| Macer | i would oc it to 1GHz until it burnt out hahaha | 12:52 |
| Macer | so i check the box? | 12:53 |
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| Macer | for the request? | 12:53 |
| chem|st | Macer: if you look at n900 as a hardware bundle it is still the best available for low price! | 12:54 |
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| Macer | i suppose. the g2 has nice hardware for $400 | 12:54 |
| Macer | too bad i got it for my gf lol | 12:55 |
| Macer | it is like giving her an iphone | 12:55 |
| khertan | Macer, the best hw is the one that make Maemo running | 12:55 |
| khertan | nothing less | 12:55 |
| khertan | :) | 12:55 |
| chem|st | Macer: and it is bound to google = nogo! | 12:55 |
| toggles | chem|st: not if he wants 'droid, the san francisco is ;-) | 12:55 |
| chem|st | khertan: 2nd! | 12:55 |
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| Macer | not really. newer android lets you skip the google part | 12:56 |
| Macer | :) although i guess that would mean no market | 12:56 |
| chem|st | Macer: nitdroid is based on 2.2 isnt it? | 12:56 |
| Macer | think so... been a while | 12:56 |
| Macer | last time i tried it just to see if i could get the 3G going | 12:57 |
| chem|st | I don't need market | 12:57 |
| Macer | heh | 12:57 |
| Macer | so what do i do with this sim card section? | 12:57 |
| chem|st | I was looking into market only once was going throw up on the usless bloat you get from it | 12:57 |
| Macer | check the box or something? is there something on the wiki about this? | 12:57 |
| chem|st | uncheck | 12:58 |
| Macer | it is already unchecked | 12:58 |
| chem|st | Macer: so you do not enter your PIN at startup?! | 12:58 |
| Macer | no haha | 12:58 |
| Macer | so that is it? just make sure it is unchecked? | 12:59 |
| chem|st | Macer: yes | 12:59 |
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| Macer | well... simple enough | 12:59 |
| chem|st | Macer: and for the records: I recommend to have it checked if not booting to droid! | 12:59 |
| alterego | RIP Leslie Nielsen :( | 13:00 |
| alterego | He was like my hero. | 13:00 |
| Macer | is there something special i have to do after nitdroid is installed to get the data over 3G going? | 13:00 |
| Macer | once in nitdroid? or does it just work? | 13:00 |
| chem|st | Macer: maybe you need some APN setup details | 13:00 |
| Macer | yeah | 13:00 |
| Macer | i tried that | 13:00 |
| crashanddie_ | alterego, ever noticed how when he was young, he looked kinda like Daniel Craig? | 13:01 |
| Macer | trked setting up the apn manually and still nothing | 13:01 |
| Macer | the ap setup kept breaking on me | 13:01 |
| chem|st | Macer: didn't work for me the first time I tried as there are details wanted it should get from the SIM and you hardly find them on the net | 13:01 |
| Macer | yeah. i founfd an apn list but i couldnt get it going | 13:02 |
| chem|st | but I filled the gaps and it worked | 13:02 |
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| Macer | ah ok | 13:02 |
| Macer | i will check it out once i get the chance | 13:02 |
| Macer | thanks | 13:02 |
| Macer | :) | 13:02 |
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| chem|st | Macer: and as you are oc'ed, ther might be a chance to brick your device... | 13:03 |
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| crashanddie_ | alterego, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/ForbiddenPlanet1-2.jpg (That's Nielsen) http://www.independent.ie/multimedia/archive/00165/DanielCraig_GC_165209b.jpg (craig) | 13:05 |
| pupnik | Chalmers Johnson died this weekend. he brought the term Blowback to the american psyche. | 13:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:07 |
| pupnik | RIP | 13:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | wtf is Charlmers Johnson? | 13:08 |
| pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson | 13:08 |
| pupnik | Chalmers Ashby Johnson (August 6, 1931 - November 20, 2010)[1] was an American author and professor emeritus of the University of California, San Diego. He served in the Korean war, was a consultant for the CIA from 1967–1973, and chaired the Center for Chinese Studies at the University of California, Berkeley from 1967 to 1972 | 13:09 |
| crashanddie_ | If you have to link to a wiki page to summarise who he is, I'm not interested. | 13:09 |
| pupnik | i don't have to | 13:09 |
| pupnik | does that mean you're interested? | 13:09 |
| crashanddie_ | plus, he's a nobody | 13:09 |
| pupnik | He wrote some very influential books | 13:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | sure, he influenced a discussion on #maemo. Props | 13:09 |
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| pupnik | You were RIP'ing Leslie Nielsen - a true nobody | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | I didn't :) | 13:10 |
| crashanddie_ | CTF | 13:10 |
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| * timeless_mbp cries | 13:23 | |
| * timeless_mbp wants a working network | 13:23 | |
| timeless_mbp | will pay big buckets | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | (size 3) | 13:23 |
| Macer | haha | 13:27 |
| Macer | omg copying files from the sd to the phone memory goes slow as shit | 13:27 |
| * timeless_mbp slaps macer for using the nokia trademarked word 'memory' | 13:28 | |
| timeless_mbp | don't use it. ever. | 13:28 |
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| timeless_mbp | we have a trademark on it@! | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | all your memory are belong to FI! | 13:28 |
| timeless_mbp | oh yuck | 13:29 |
| * timeless_mbp has diff (-+) turd in a source file | 13:29 | |
| timeless_mbp | -- this is bad | 13:29 |
| Macer | not actual fake 1GB memory | 13:29 |
| Macer | the actual storage :) | 13:29 |
| Macer | going off the sd to it is so slow and it is topping my cpu | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | err | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you realize the n900 has 3 or so, right? | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | /, /home, /home/user/MyDocs | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | just never use 'memory' | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it's terribly amiguous | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | even if you manage to #define memory not_actually_memory | 13:31 |
| Macer | well... / /home and MyDocs are all on the same thing... just partitioned | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 13:32 |
| Macer | really? | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | / is a different device from the other two | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | home and MyDocs share a physical store | 13:32 |
| Macer | wow. honestly didnt know that | 13:32 |
| Macer | :) | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | but since they use different file systems their perf characteristics are *also* different | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | so really. just don't ever use the word 'memory' | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | lesson learned? | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | if / were on the same physical device as /home, we wouldn't need to play the stupid /opt games | 13:33 |
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| Macer | ok | 13:36 |
| Macer | cute explorer sucks | 13:36 |
| Macer | it named all the files their sizes :) | 13:36 |
| Macer | wtf | 13:36 |
| Macer | is there a good gui based filemanager that doesnt suck? | 13:37 |
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| Macer | something that can do multiple file cut/paste | 13:37 |
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| Macer | at least it didnt delete the shit i had on the sd. what a waste of life that was | 13:38 |
| phellarv | Macer: Midnight Commander | 13:39 |
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| Macer | gui based? :) | 13:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | heh. yea - use the terminal, and you won't have any problems. | 13:40 |
| Macer | haha | 13:41 |
| Macer | sometimes a term isnt too practical.. but i suppose i can use mc | 13:41 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Well, I mean... -most- of what I need to do can be more easily done via the PC anyway. Anything else, CLI. | 13:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | But that's just me. | 13:43 |
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| Macer | ok | 13:50 |
| Macer | filebox did the trick | 13:50 |
| Macer | need to find out how to quick pick the files tho | 13:50 |
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| lcuk | murrayc, hey I tweeted a little thing about one of your guys at the conf (Chris) https://twitter.com/lcuk/status/8683772711018496 | 13:52 |
| murrayc | OK. I'll have my people call his people and they can call your people. | 13:55 |
| lcuk | :D | 13:57 |
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| khertan | error: Setup script exited with error: No space left on device | 14:02 |
| khertan | stupid small / | 14:02 |
| khertan | gr | 14:02 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm... http://bash.org/?926695 | 14:22 |
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| gomiam | én | 14:33 |
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| Saviq | hi all, anyone got all contacts listed for birthdays at 30.11.2010? | 14:42 |
| alterego | Nope, no birthdays on 30.11.2010 | 14:44 |
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| Saviq | alterego: do you use syncevolution btw? | 15:03 |
| Saviq | 'cause I got that on two different phones with syncevolution | 15:03 |
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| alterego | Nope | 15:15 |
| root__ | Saviq, what are you syncing against? (N900 vs. ..) | 15:15 |
| Saviq | root__: my own Funambol server | 15:15 |
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| Saviq | and Evolution on the other side, also syncing to that server | 15:15 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 15:46 |
| mc_teo | how can i show a note in pyqt? | 15:46 |
| mc_teo | a banner, actually | 15:46 |
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| mc_teo | how can i show a hildon banner in pyqt? | 15:49 |
| mc_teo | even a dbus command would be okay | 15:49 |
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| E0x | mc_teo: you mean a notification bar like when you are charging | 15:52 |
| E0x | or disconnect ? | 15:52 |
| MohammadAG | how do I debug gnome-pty-helper | 15:53 |
| mc_teo | yeah | 15:53 |
| mc_teo | thats a note | 15:53 |
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| mc_teo | when it says "disconnecting charger to save energy" or whatever | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | QMaemo5InformationBox | 15:53 |
| mc_teo | pyqt has that? | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | (i think it's box...) | 15:53 |
| * MohammadAG checks | 15:53 | |
| MohammadAG | youtubeservice.py: from PyQt4.QtMaemo5 import QMaemo5InformationBox | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | videoinfowindow.py: QMaemo5InformationBox.information(self, "Unable to add video to your favourites") | 15:54 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, actually, that ought to be a warning, rather than information | 15:55 |
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| mc_teo | that actually works | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | videoinfowindow.py: QMaemo5InformationBox.information(self, "\'%s\' has been added to your download queue" % unicode(videoTitle, "utf-8")) | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | happy? | 15:57 |
| mc_teo | very | 15:57 |
| mc_teo | :) | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | I know, he's being a QString nazi | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | err | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | the fuck?! ubuntu switched to the GTK theme | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | and it reloaded its theme, weird | 15:58 |
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| chem|st | my nokia-maps is dead... | 16:12 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 16:27 |
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| mc_teo | how can i call that from another thread | 16:27 |
| mc_teo | i start a thread to do stuff in the background | 16:27 |
| mc_teo | and then let it launch a QMaemo5InformationBox when its done | 16:28 |
| mc_teo | but the first param is the QWidget Parent, which it gives out about since its a thread | 16:29 |
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| alterego | mc_teo: that's bad practise. | 16:33 |
| alterego | mc_teo: get it to call back, then launch the dialog in the first thread. | 16:33 |
| alterego | Connect to the threads finished signal .. | 16:33 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, ping | 16:42 |
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| Tscheesy | anybody? looking for a nitdroid Rootfs -Link (need the Kernel for kubuntu-mobile) | 16:47 |
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| Tscheesy | is it this? : kernel-power-bootimg | 16:48 |
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| Tscheesy | no - .. i would need the modules too | 16:48 |
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| chem|st | Tscheesy: http://downloads.nitdroid.com/nitinstaller/Packages/ that? | 16:55 |
| chem|st | Tscheesy: you may ask in #nitdroid | 16:56 |
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| Tscheesy | ah nice chem|st - thx.. but as i see its more easy to just install it on a sd and copy from there | 16:56 |
| chem|st | Tscheesy: yes thats how the nitdroid setup works but the kernel is a separate .deb | 16:57 |
| Tscheesy | i will have to check for update then? | 16:58 |
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| Tscheesy | i'll just give it a try - thx | 17:00 |
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| Funnyface | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil, jacekowski, I figured out what the problem with my phone being stuck at "3G" was. it happens if a data connection is active on the phone itself, while also using the phone as a DUN modem at the same time. if I disconnect the phone's connection, I get full HSDPA speeds on the PC :> | 17:21 |
| Funnyface | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1049944836.png :p | 17:21 |
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| alterego | I get slightly better than that ;) | 17:22 |
| alterego | I get about 2Mb down | 17:22 |
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| Funnyface | depends where I am, I normally get around 1.5Mbit down in average, but anything from 0.5 to 2.5Mbit is normal | 17:23 |
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| l0up | fffuuuu. gprs wouldnt connect -> reboot and now the machine wont recognise the sim | 17:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Funnyface: great | 17:57 |
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| yacc | Wondering, why is osso-xterm not capable of connecting a remote X server (when the server allows connections)? | 17:58 |
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| luke-jr | yacc: it probably has :0 hardcoded | 18:09 |
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| thp | yacc: what's the use of running osso-xterm remotely when you can just use ssh and a local xterm? | 18:24 |
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| yacc | thp: osso-xterm was just an example. | 18:55 |
| yacc | thp, starting from qemacs that would be nice on a bigger screen remotely, ... | 18:55 |
| yacc | and so on. | 18:55 |
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| MohammadAG_ | wouldn't DISPLAY=:$x qemacs work? | 18:56 |
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| corecode | so i'm having problems with the phone set to GSM: i can't get internet connections to work on GSM | 19:00 |
| corecode | i need to switch to dual first, then connect, then switch back to gsm | 19:00 |
| corecode | is that a common thing? | 19:00 |
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| yacc | MohammadAG_, nope, does not :( | 19:07 |
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| yacc | corecode, well, it's not common, one thing to consider is that GSM/GPRS cannot do voice and data communications at the same time, meaning that engaging voice will suspend data connectivity. (E.g. that's why "reverse lookup programs" that want to lookup a number in the Internet do not work that well when in GSM mode, because when they get the incoming number, they've already lost data connectivity.) | 19:09 |
| corecode | no voice | 19:09 |
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| alterego | Hey NooBmonk3y :) | 19:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | hey hey alterego :) | 19:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | evening alls :) | 19:17 |
| nidO | ey kids | 19:17 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hi NooBmonk3y | 19:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | hey hey! | 19:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo lots of peoples on :) | 19:18 |
| crashanddie_ | sup girls | 19:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 19:18 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | my n900 has decided to stop working as a phone today :P - no one can hear me on the other end of calls :P oh well :P | 19:18 |
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| alterego | This is where your health check app would be handy ;) | 19:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 19:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | hitting a few issues atm P | 19:19 |
| crashanddie_ | told you the earphone jack was too close to the mic, and it wasn't for that kind of "jack'ing". | 19:19 |
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| NooBmonk3y | things like the conenctivity module aren't available until 1.2 :P so i cant do bluetooth tests etc until then :| | 19:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol crash | 19:20 |
| blackthorne | does the n900 play nice with Meego? | 19:20 |
| blackthorne | is dual boot something experimental or something usable? | 19:21 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: well you can, just rip out the bluetooth source and compile it in your project. | 19:23 |
| * MohammadAG_ was bored, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/Qt-examples/Countdown/ | 19:23 | |
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| NooBmonk3y | alterego, was thinking so, but cant find the source yet :P | 19:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | found examples using it, but not the actual mobility 1.2 code :P | 19:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, u were bored | 19:26 |
| khertan | blackthorne, dual boot is working ... but status of meego is completely experimental | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | NooBmonk3y, yes, I was bored :P | 19:26 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/master/src/connectivity/bluetooth/ | 19:27 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ooo wow | 19:28 |
| * MohammadAG_ ponders making a BT messenger app | 19:28 | |
| NooBmonk3y | darn i removed all the code i had, time to re-add! yay! | 19:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty alter! | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG_ | NooBmonk3y, does your current app provide all features of the Python one? | 19:29 |
| alterego | np | 19:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, yes and no, well no | 19:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | it provides more extras but not all of the old yet | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | ... | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | get the old stuff working, then work on the rest | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol i am! :P | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | got a working list to get through | 19:31 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ie camera's etc | 19:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | just left with the hard stuff :P | 19:31 |
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| leakypug | hey chanserv | 19:34 |
| leakypug | hi | 19:34 |
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| yacc | NooBmonk3y, check if pulseaudio is running, but yeah, I'm sharing your joy, just need to find the time, and will need to reflash the stupid thing :( | 19:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | awww yacc just rebooted so will try calling it in a sec :) | 19:36 |
| leakypug | All of a sudden, after ending a call, some or many of my apps vanished.. | 19:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, is our resident pulseaudio fan boy ;) | 19:36 |
| yacc | NooBmonk3y, check also if it can still play mp3 files and if your alarm clock works, ... | 19:36 |
| leakypug | need some help on this.. | 19:36 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yacc never used the alarm clock and have to admit not tried an mp3, but developing healthcheck on it, so i probably killed it ;) | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | NooBmonk3y, since when are people who hate something fanboys? | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | leaky, vanished? | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | or vanished from your desktop? | 19:37 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol Mo | 19:37 |
| leakypug | Few vanished form desktop | 19:38 |
| leakypug | and many from the menu | 19:38 |
| leakypug | but all are residing in my device when checked thro app manager | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | overclocked device? | 19:38 |
| yacc | NooBmonk3y, so you are the author of Healthcheck? | 19:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | yacc, yup | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | and re-doing it :P | 19:39 |
| yacc | NooBmonk3y, don't run away, I need to do groceries but afterwards I need somebody to tell why it just crashes (it always crashed on my phone from day 1) ;) | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'll be here all evening :P | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | well till the missus screams or makes bacon | 19:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/articles/kitten-thinks-of-nothing-but-murder-all-day,9783/ | 19:42 |
| leakypug | NooBmonk3ey,also that i get a info msg very often,"request incomplete".. why do this happen? | 19:42 |
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| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, you have to give me a bit more information :P - fixing a problem without knowing anything about it is pretty tough :P lol | 19:43 |
| leakypug | LOL | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | ie, what are you doing when it appears :P | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | what firmware etc... | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | any app? blah blah | 19:44 |
| leakypug | it appears,even when the device is idle.. | 19:44 |
| leakypug | like ehat appears when u cant recieve the information from a low end mobile when i dial *123# or*111#, | 19:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | ohhhhk.......... | 19:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | so something has to be running in the background | 19:45 |
| leakypug | NooBmonk3y, i guess so.. | 19:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | worth checking out 'top' in x-terminal | 19:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | you can zoom out to see what else is running too | 19:45 |
| leakypug | but dmesg show nothing weird in the background | 19:45 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hmmm, could be a rogue app though | 19:46 |
| leakypug | NooBmonk3y, how about the first prob? desktop icons disappeared!?!?!? | 19:46 |
| leakypug | NooBmonk3y,are there any known viruses on n900 so far??? | 19:46 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ahh ok, so desktop icons lol | 19:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, not that i know off | 19:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | unless you have installed random debs | 19:47 |
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| NooBmonk3y | desktop icons point to the hildon desktop being reset | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | and a few apps have done that :P | 19:47 |
| leakypug | How can i fix it back? | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | has it started happenning recently? | 19:47 |
| leakypug | yes.. | 19:47 |
| leakypug | very recently.. | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo ohk, hold on | 19:47 |
| leakypug | b4 i could join this forum :P | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, oh god of clever things :P | 19:47 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, can you list apps on the n900 by install date? | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG_ | think not | 19:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm | 19:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, do you know what you have installed since they started appearing? | 19:48 |
| leakypug | appearing or disappearing??? | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | at least not on maemo | 19:49 |
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| NooBmonk3y | the errors appearing, and the icons disappearing lol | 19:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, was thinking dpkg cleverness maybe? | 19:49 |
| leakypug | The error started appearing as soon as i put the sim card in it.. | 19:49 |
| leakypug | from the day 1,NooBmonk3y.. | 19:50 |
| leakypug | :D | 19:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh new phone! | 19:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahaaaaaaaa | 19:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | second hand? | 19:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | or new new? | 19:50 |
| leakypug | nope.. | 19:50 |
| leakypug | brand new.. just two weeks older.. | 19:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | well the first thing i would do is reflash the device + emmc then | 19:50 |
| leakypug | reflashed already once :P | 19:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh + emmc? | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | NooBmonk3y, you could check the date of .list files in /var/log/dpkg/info/, but that's not exactly the most accurate thing | 19:51 |
| leakypug | still the error appears to be persisting NooBmonk3y :P | 19:51 |
| leakypug | nope.. | 19:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | might be worth doing that | 19:51 |
| leakypug | so what shall i do? | 19:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty Mo, might not be needed as errord since new | 19:51 |
| leakypug | reflash once again and emmc? | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | ah, thought that was for your app lol | 19:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, i'd think so, that will put it back to completely new, with a nice clean start, best then to monitor it for a few days | 19:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | the other thing, is it an old or new sim? | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~flashing | 19:52 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | see flashing the eMMC, don't use -R with flasher | 19:52 |
| leakypug | sim is old.. | 19:52 |
| leakypug | 3 yrs old.. | 19:52 |
| * NooBmonk3y likes MohammadAG_ him and infobot together = darn amaxing lol | 19:52 | |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, old SIM cards can also cause many problems, as well as draining batteries ;) | 19:52 |
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| leakypug | oh my god!!! :o | 19:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | :) | 19:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | not allways, but it has been known :) | 19:53 |
| leakypug | LOL, so I'm gonna get my hands dirty on this device once again.. | 19:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe :P | 19:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | well try the flash if you can | 19:54 |
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| NooBmonk3y | monitor it whilst you get a new sim ;) | 19:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | it's worth doing :p | 19:54 |
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| Arkenoi | well, i had really old 5V sim car for awhile and found battery drain to be insignificant | 19:54 |
| leakypug | am very new to this platform, and this is my first ever smartphone NooBmonk3y. | 19:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | Arkenoi, doesnt happen on all but i compared two in identical phones, and the 4yr old sim was about 1 hour less on battery :P | 19:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, tis a very good start! | 19:55 |
| leakypug | Yup.. | 19:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | i was/am a noob with linux and smartphones but have been loving it | 19:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | got mine a year ago (this wednesday, woooop!) | 19:55 |
| Arkenoi | mine was 12 years old so i am pretty sure it is not even 3V :-) | 19:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | wow Arkenoi , mine musta been abused ;) | 19:56 |
| leakypug | just i have the love and passion for maemo and meego, :P | 19:56 |
| * NooBmonk3y does too! ... hoping it stays positive too! | 19:56 | |
| leakypug | sure, | 19:56 |
| leakypug | hope this device keeps me high.. :D | 19:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm getting a new device next april most likely, but might hold fire for a decent meego one :) | 19:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | saying that my n900 still feels pretty new to me, and never had that feeling from a phoneb4, i normally trash them :P | 19:57 |
| leakypug | and facebrick app gives me a bloody error,spitting at my face saying something blah blah... | 19:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | it also got me into coding again :) | 19:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 19:57 |
| leakypug | I adore our n900.. :) :) | 19:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | didnt w00t_ make facebrick? or was it someone else? | 19:58 |
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| leakypug | its the bestest i have seen.. :) | 19:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | where abouts are you from btw? | 19:58 |
| leakypug | Chennai, India.. | 19:58 |
| leakypug | anyone from here??? | 19:58 |
| leakypug | and know anyone from here btw??? | 19:58 |
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| Arkenoi | what are current "most have" performance tweaks? swappolube, fixed pulseaudio, sumething else? | 19:58 |
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| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, http://pininthemap.com/maemo | 19:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | Arkenoi, oh god, there's a thread for that lol ;) | 19:59 |
| leakypug | thanks,NooBmonk3y | 19:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | more then welcome, thats why i asked hehe | 19:59 |
| Arkenoi | NooBmonk3y, i'd say plenty of those, that's why i am asking here which ones are considered important :-) | 20:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, looks like two there :OP | 20:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | post that link in any indian maemo forums you find :) | 20:00 |
| leakypug | i always had the insecure feeling that will i be able to solve the bugs with my device if some arise,. | 20:00 |
| leakypug | but fortunately many bugs arose and so am here now :) :) | 20:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, you will learn :) :) | 20:00 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehe, in 99% of cases there is a fix or a known bug + workaround | 20:01 |
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| NooBmonk3y | there have been cases of faulty n900's but, not that common | 20:01 |
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| derf | Arkenoi: PulseAudio is certainly the most important one to me. | 20:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo good point, i never installed the fixed pulseaudio | 20:01 |
| leakypug | and sorry that i dont know whose facebrick am using.. | 20:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, btw thank you very much for that link :) - gonna try the bluetooth thing again tonight :0 | 20:02 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol leakypug | 20:02 |
| leakypug | and u r from?? | 20:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49216&highlight=facebrick it is w00t_ | 20:03 |
| corecode | ah it was autodisconnect | 20:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, Worthing, england :) (South coast) | 20:03 |
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| NooBmonk3y | and MohammadAG_ lives in timbuktoo, or some other ass end of nowhere place ;) hehehe | 20:04 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Bermuda triangle actually | 20:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol Mo | 20:07 |
| leakypug | are people not disappearing over bermuda nowdays??? ;) | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | not functional, but still, new to C http://i52.tinypic.com/33f6wx2.jpg | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | leakypug, I have an RPG for such incidents | 20:07 |
| * MohammadAG_ looks at shot down planes | 20:07 | |
| MohammadAG_ | they were good fellows | 20:07 |
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| leakypug | ow.. | 20:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, shouldn't HEN have a picture of a hen? :P hehe | 20:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | NooBmonk3y, lol | 20:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I don't get why it doesn't follow a layout | 20:09 |
| leakypug | guys, feel secure now.. | 20:09 |
| leakypug | will u be available at this time everyday? | 20:09 |
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| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, most of this lot are here even when they sleep :P | 20:10 |
| leakypug | and is there any possibilty that i chat with you guys from my device? | 20:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm here about this time most days for a few hours | 20:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, xchat :) | 20:10 |
| leakypug | Lol,then am sleeping... :) | 20:10 |
| leakypug | ;) | 20:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | it works from the device fine :) | 20:10 |
| leakypug | but i felt the device slowing down when there was almost 1.3gb of installable space.. | 20:11 |
| leakypug | isn't it weird? | 20:11 |
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| NooBmonk3y | leaky as mentioned before there are many many tweaks you can make to the device (like installing swapolube etccc) they all help for speed :) | 20:11 |
| lcuk | leakypug, the amount of space doesnt effect the speed, but having a single heavy application may do :) | 20:12 |
| kerio | swapolube? | 20:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, having bacon on your device can affect the visibility too :( | 20:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh whatever that swapo thing is called | 20:12 |
| RST38h | Evening, punks | 20:12 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, nahh that just makes apps faster | 20:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | lo RST38h | 20:12 |
| RST38h | swapo thing is snakeoil | 20:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol lcuk | 20:12 |
| leakypug | oh... thanks for ur patience to answer this noob.. :) | 20:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, :) not a problem at all :) | 20:13 |
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| leakypug | can u suggest me some application catalogues? | 20:14 |
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| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, not sure i would recommend any straight off, extras-testing and devel are probably more suited once you get used to the device as there are apps in development etc, but just google n900 repositories :0 | 20:15 |
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| leakypug | Thank you man.. | 20:16 |
| leakypug | :) | 20:16 |
| lcuk | you could add the meego repository *grin* | 20:16 |
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| leakypug | is there anyway,i can increase the number of desktops betond 4??? | 20:17 |
| leakypug | *beyond? | 20:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, up to 9 i think | 20:18 |
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| NooBmonk3y | never tried though | 20:18 |
| leakypug | wow!!! how,though?? | 20:18 |
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| lcuk | leakypug, custom replacement hildon-desktop | 20:18 |
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| leakypug | and this MeeGo and NITDroid thing tis my aspiration for buying n900.. | 20:18 |
| leakypug | dual boot functionality.. | 20:19 |
| leakypug | I'd like to get my hands on them as soon as possible.. | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://www.lookatbowen.com/2010/10/how-to-have-9-sexy-desktops-on-your-nokia-n900 | 20:20 |
| leakypug | thanks for the link :) | 20:20 |
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| NooBmonk3y | leakypug, be carefull with nitdroid and meego | 20:21 |
| leakypug | careful as in??? | 20:21 |
| NooBmonk3y | neither are fully realeased yet and there has been lots of issues with people trying both, as the two booting things (uboot, multiboot) seem to have caused problems | 20:21 |
| NooBmonk3y | both are demo's as they work on them | 20:22 |
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| NooBmonk3y | so nitdroid is probably 70%% complete and meego 1.1 is even less complete at the moment | 20:22 |
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| leakypug | Ya, i could see the news on MeeGo's pages... | 20:24 |
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| NooBmonk3y | right gonna go sort healthcheck, bbiab | 20:24 |
| leakypug | adios NooBmonk3y :) | 20:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | ciaoooooooooo | 20:25 |
| leakypug | so lcuk, hi to you :) | 20:25 |
| leakypug | am hi to you too Mo :) | 20:25 |
| lcuk | \o | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | hi :) | 20:26 |
| * MohammadAG_ curses C | 20:26 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | I'm doing something wrong, and it's not saying what that is | 20:27 |
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| RST38h | show | 20:27 |
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| comawhite | blah, when trying to install the sdk I get this: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed! | 20:30 |
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| jacekowski | vdso disabled? | 20:32 |
| jacekowski | and are you following manual? | 20:32 |
| comawhite | should be I had it previously installed via Gentoo but now doing it manually | 20:33 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, hi, c isnt so bad and it only does what you ask it, plenty of printfs if you are unsude | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, I was using the example and changes some strings, which kinda broke it | 20:35 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG_: is that power kernel you are using? | 20:47 |
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| trumee | Guys, anybody with Power Kernel please enlighten me. If i install power kernel, and dont mess around with kernel-config. Is the Max/Min frequency limits the same as stock kernel? | 20:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | trumee, yup | 20:50 |
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| trumee | NooBmonk3y: then what is this about, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66331 | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen timsamoff | 20:52 |
| infobot | timsamoff <~timsamoff@Maemo/community/contributor/timsamoff> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14d 6h 56m 47s ago, saying: 'Just beginning... But, then Jim asked another ?'. | 20:52 |
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| trumee | NooBmonk3y: Shouldnt the cpu comparison between stock and power kernel be the same since they should use the same frequency. | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | trumee, should be, but then it depends on his device and what other alterations he has | 20:53 |
| trumee | assuming that i didnt mess around with kernel-config. | 20:53 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i use the power kernel at normal levels fine :P | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | v 40 though lol | 20:54 |
| trumee | NooBmonk3y: do you use sip with power kernel? | 20:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh no sorry | 20:54 |
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| trumee | NooBmonk3y: my sip call is 20% higher as i posted in that tmo thread. | 20:54 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :| | 20:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: H-E-N is my creation, and no, it is unrelated to a hen | 21:12 |
| * NooBmonk3y wonders if DocScrutinizer has ever understood "jokes" "comedy" "fun things" etc etc........ | 21:13 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer is a grumpty old fart | 21:14 | |
| NooBmonk3y | lol :P | 21:14 |
| * NooBmonk3y passes the sugar | 21:14 | |
| NooBmonk3y | oooo bacon flavoured sugar . hmmmmmmmmm | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | you might be interested in H-E-N meaning Hosmode-Easy-Now | 21:15 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, http://i55.tinypic.com/2dvvpjl.jpg | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 21:16 |
| RevdKathy | NooBmonk3y : close, but not a hen. | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | RevdKathy, i agree entirely ;) | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | eveeeeeeeeeeeeeening | 21:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | it should at least have added eggs, as then there would finally be a bacon link ;) | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: :-D \o/ | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: thumbs up | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, :) | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | now just to add the function to it (should be easy), and of course, hide it using signals from h-e-n | 21:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | i.e, user clicks mount, applet shows, user clicks unmount in applet or in h-e-n, hide applet | 21:19 |
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| alterego | Is it okay to use OSM maps in commercial software? | 21:19 |
| * alterego is contemplating adding mapping ... | 21:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: I suggest you use the well known term "safely remove" or maybe a combination, like "H-E-N safely remove\nunmount partitions" | 21:20 |
| alterego | Probably not for v1 though .. | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | Safely remove device | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it is in LANG=C | 21:21 |
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| lolloo | what is the default font in Xchat for N900? | 21:22 |
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| lolloo | I messed it up and now igt feels wierd with the new font! | 21:23 |
| lolloo | I forgot what was the defaultfont was! | 21:23 |
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| RST38h | South Korean defense minister Kim Tae-young was questioned by one politician why the South's retaliation was delayed 13 minutes and not forceful enough, to which Kim replied, "This isn't StarCraft." | 21:25 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 21:26 |
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| kerio | hahahaha | 21:29 |
| kerio | they need to work on their micro | 21:29 |
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| lolloo | didn't they fire him? | 21:30 |
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| lolloo | funny lad. | 21:30 |
| lolloo | they replaced him with a mad lad! | 21:31 |
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| Arkenoi | wow. seems that installing fixed pulseaudio package resolved the problem with media player being unresponsive to touchscreen control while playing video completely. I wonder why wasn't it included with PR1.3 | 21:32 |
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| lolloo | omg can you lead me to it please. | 21:32 |
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| lolloo | Arkenoi, where can I get fixed pulseaudio package from? | 21:33 |
| Arkenoi | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 here | 21:34 |
| povbot | Bug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web | 21:34 |
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| lolloo | where is the package? | 21:36 |
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| MohammadAG_ | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=3194 | 21:37 |
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| lolloo | oh cool thanks, How do I install it? | 21:38 |
| lolloo | I have kernel46, will it be a problem? | 21:39 |
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| lolloo | oh failed! | 21:41 |
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| ieatlint | does a 30awg usb cable sound like it will be crap to anyone who is an EE? | 21:45 |
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| lolloo | incompatibil package. failed to install | 21:45 |
| lolloo | why? | 21:46 |
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| lolloo | when installing package for pulseaudio | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: yes | 21:46 |
| troulouliou | Hi is the apt cache saved between reboot ? | 21:47 |
| ieatlint | yeah, seemed low... i thought 24awg was standard and 28awg was pushing it | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: just because of the fact that the specification 30awg doesn't mean a thing and so it's likely the cable will be crap | 21:47 |
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| ieatlint | need to buy more microusb cables and trying not to get the shittiest ones this time | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lolloo, screw ham, use dpkg | 21:48 |
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| lolloo | hehehe your right | 21:49 |
| lolloo | so is it dpkg -i ? | 21:49 |
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| MohammadAG_ | yes | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | is there a way to hide something from the status bar? | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | I don't see anything like that in the .h file :/ | 21:50 |
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| khertan | Khweeteur 0.0.52 is now available in Maemo Extras Testing please test it, and vote for it. | 21:53 |
| lolloo | you mean to make animation fadde effect to make it disappear. | 21:53 |
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| MohammadAG_ | no, to remove an icon from the status menu | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | without removing the widget | 21:54 |
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| Macer | hm | 21:55 |
| lolloo | use tweaker | 21:55 |
| Macer | why does moving files betweeh the sd and phone kill the cpu? | 21:55 |
| troulouliou | sorry but i ve just update my phone , this ean that i m on pr1.3 ? | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: check any example, like simple brightness applet | 21:56 |
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| lolloo | flashlight app to | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, flashlight doesn't have an icon in status bar afaik | 21:57 |
| Macer | the led flashlight app? | 21:57 |
| Macer | i miss that lol | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh right! | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | thanks | 21:57 |
| lolloo | troulouliou, use uname -r in xterm. | 21:57 |
| lolloo | Macer, yes | 21:57 |
| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: are these speaker cables good enough? http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-terminated-speaker-cable/product-reviews/B000J36XR2/ | 21:57 |
| troulouliou | 2.6.28.10power46 | 21:58 |
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| troulouliou | can not be that | 21:58 |
| lolloo | thats the latest power kernel. | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | ah, a boolean | 21:58 |
| troulouliou | so that mean i m on PR1.3 ? | 21:59 |
| lolloo | yes you should be, I think power46 is for PR1.3 | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | hmm, or not | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: lolloo: simple brightness has an icon in status bar that's only visible when "don't dim screen" is activated | 22:00 |
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| MohammadAG_ | setting it to NULL, I see | 22:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, yeah, I know, activated when holding the button too | 22:01 |
| lolloo | troulouliou, If you check the version of mp-fremantle-generic-pr with dpkg -l command and it is 20.2010.36-2, you have | 22:02 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hmmm does anyone know the best place totry and figure out a qlistwidget.... (Stylesheets i mean) - struggling to find any good places to get info on it, the qt pages provide 1 rather poor example :| | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | dpkg -l mp-fremantle* actually | 22:03 |
| troulouliou | ok thanks | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: heh? | 22:03 |
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| Macer | ugh. wtf | 22:04 |
| Macer | why is storage on the n900 so cpu intense and slow | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: probably a bug | 22:05 |
| Macer | maybe | 22:05 |
| Macer | just moving files between the sd and phone storage takes FOREVER.. and the phone is pretty much useless while doing it | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | it only happens to me when trying to access eMMC and uSD concurrently | 22:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | even then not always | 22:06 |
| Macer | yeah. that is what i am doing | 22:06 |
| Macer | i am copying from the sd to the phone storage | 22:06 |
| Macer | well.. moving actually | 22:06 |
| Macer | it is horrible | 22:06 |
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| Macer | ah finally. it finished | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's really annoying tbh | 22:09 |
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| alterego | Your face | 22:17 |
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| GAN900 | No yours. | 22:18 |
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| alterego | Damnit, I always get beat in thte same way :( | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 22:20 |
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| NooBmonk3y | aghhh god darn qlistwidgets and css | 22:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | yay!!!!! | 22:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 22:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | get stressed and it all works | 22:31 |
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| alterego | I think I should get a bluetooth heart rate monitor and write a plugin for my app :) | 22:39 |
| alterego | For some reason the statistics stuff has got me wanting one ^.^ | 22:40 |
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| yacc | alterego, don't laugh, my blood pressure monitor seats exactly behind me, don't even have to turn to grab it :-P | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | signal sender=:1.71 -> dest=(null destination) serial=12 path=/org/maemo/hen; interface=org.maemo.hen; member=mountButtonClicked | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG_ | signal sender=:1.71 -> dest=(null destination) serial=13 path=/org/maemo/hen; interface=org.maemo.hen; member=unmountButtonClicked | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | yay :D | 22:42 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG_: good job :) | 22:53 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, DocScrutinizer http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=885798&postcount=505 | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | now I just have to figure out how to connect the signal in C/Gtk :) | 22:55 |
| mece | MohammadAG_, nice | 22:55 |
| alterego | Heh, why? | 22:56 |
| alterego | Because you're doing a status bar menu button? | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | already did | 22:57 |
| alterego | Ah, I've been meaning to do a Qt example of one of those. | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG_ | I just need to show/hide it when the signal is sent | 22:57 |
| alterego | Cool | 22:58 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, you can do them in Qt? | 22:58 |
| trumee | Does this make sense, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=885804#post885804 | 22:58 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: you should be able to, with a bit of hacking yes. | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, I'm quite happy with gtk then :P http://i55.tinypic.com/15s4oq8.jpg | 22:59 |
| alterego | I wouldn't bother for what you're doing without someone (maybe me) coming up with a decent easy way to do it ;) | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG_ | why did I paste that, again | 22:59 |
| trumee | Power kernel locks the device at 600MHz compared to 500 of stock kernel. Plus pulseaudio eats more cpu at this higher frequency. | 22:59 |
| alterego | Don't like you using h-e-n in your UI :P | 22:59 |
| alterego | Can't you change it to "USB Hostmode" or something a bit more user intuitive. | 23:00 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ask DocScrutinizer, he named it, not me | 23:00 |
| alterego | pfft | 23:00 |
| alterego | I know it's the project name, but you don't have to go around pasting it on all your UIs | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's the same UI lol | 23:01 |
| * MohammadAG_ ponders | 23:01 | |
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| trumee | anybody using Power Kernel? | 23:02 |
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| * trumee wishes there was another kernel apart from Power Kernel with NAT support. | 23:04 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | compile your own | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: there's a project name, and there's a descriptive name. What got canola to do with mp3? So don't you think H-E-N is appropriate for project and app NAME, while USB hostmode is the app *description* | 23:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh I think H-E-N is way nicer than e.g fapman | 23:07 |
| trumee | MohammadAG_: not a bad idea. Can i do that in scracthbox? | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes | 23:07 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm talking about the names of buttons in UIs | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | oh, you mean the status bar applet? | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | is google down? *shrugs* | 23:08 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm not saying rename the project, h-e-n is fine. I'm talking about a button label that should be "USB Hostmode" imo | 23:08 |
| alterego | Something a bit more user friendly. | 23:08 |
| alterego | And more meaningful in the context. | 23:08 |
| * MohammadAG_ understands that | 23:08 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so if you like to discuss then, then use proper terminology. It's debatable if a button needs the project name or better have the function description or both | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | for a newcommer, h-e-n in the status bar might be better as USB Host mode | 23:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | wohooooooooo healthcheck is 1.6mb as a deb and 3mb exec file, genius | 23:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm i need to figure out how to optimise this bad boy i feel | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | o_O | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | what the fuck? | 23:10 |
| alterego | I don't care to discuss it, I'm just putting across my point-of-view, you don't have to listen to it and I'm not trying to mock you or anything :P | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | do you have a resource file or something? | 23:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, i kind of gree that h-e-n is rediculous, but then names grow on people :) - it makes no sense to normal people though! | 23:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG_, healthcheck is taking over the world, 1 byte at a time | 23:11 |
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| alterego | I just think that buttons should be succinct and easily understandable. | 23:11 |
| alterego | Oh, and translateable :P | 23:11 |
| alterego | Don't forget about the non-natives :D | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, feel free to make me a .po file, I never looked into them :P | 23:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 23:11 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I can easily use dcgettext or whatever it's called | 23:12 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: I've not actually included any translations in any of my apps, but I do support it in the code when I write it :D | 23:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmm if i add all the source files into the same folder for hc.... its not the end of the world? i just need to make sure when it builds it goes into opt? :) | 23:12 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: in Qt, you just use tr() | 23:12 |
| alterego | Like: QLabel(tr("English"), this); | 23:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, it's gtk, the Qt UI is translatable | 23:12 |
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| alterego | Ah, m'kay. | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: MohammadAG_: I suggest "H-E-N USB-Hostmode\nSafely remove <devicename>" | 23:12 |
| alterego | Yeah, fine with that, but I don't see the point in having the project name in there :P | 23:13 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, .po? please? :P | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: ( tr() ) ...and QtLinguist. Done that a lot for twinkle | 23:14 |
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| Arkenoi | is there better irreco ui? both irreco and qtirreco are quite ugly and do not follow any reasonable human interface guidelines | 23:14 |
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| luke-jr | Arkenoi++ | 23:15 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, not done any translations. but I'll accept them when the app is out there :D | 23:15 |
| luke-jr | rather, the UI isn't too bad, but I couldn't figure out how to get it to do anything useful | 23:15 |
| alterego | Or I can get someone to translate them ^.^ | 23:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | why the fuck is listening to dbus so hard in C? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: I'm really wondering what's the concept behind the h-e-n GUI d-bus API | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, someone made a cursor package to enable the cursor and complained that hostmode doesn't report or something | 23:17 |
| Arkenoi | btw, can "fixed" pulseaudio performance be improved with config tricks by SavageD or is it "preconfigured" properly? | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: please be aware API design isn't something done in a sloppy mood | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | other than that, I use it to show/hide the widget, obviously I don't want it in my status bar all the time | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | I'll use it even, haven't figured out C + DBus yet | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless it's not exactly GUI's duty to do d-bus notifications about hostmode status | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | easy in python, easier in Qt, but.. meh | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, it doesn't exactly report hostmode's status, only user interactions with the app | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | there could be other even concurrent UIs accessing jrbme | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jrbme is handling vboost and hostmode activation, and probably it also should do d-bus notifications | 23:20 |
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| MohammadAG_ | jrbme is a script, it can't come close to a proper C/C++ daemon :P | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: these are system architecture considerations that need careful evaluation prior to establishing a defacto standard that later on will bite your ass as all the app developers start bitching about new version is breaking API compatibility | 23:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: you're telling BS and this isn't even a valid argument when discussing API, as it's not your business as API user to decide about implementation details of the API server (like which language it's developed in) | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I'm just saying my opinion, a script writing to a file can't do what a C daemon can do | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | "let me provide the API in userland, as I don't like the language you used to implement your system daemon"" C'MON | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: you got no idea about what a script can do, and that's not your business anyway | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | anyways, off to bed, school tomorrow | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | night | 23:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's the difference between ordinary devels and real hackers. Real hackers can code FORTRAN usinf any arbitrary language | 23:27 |
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| fck | sure asembler... | 23:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ordinary devels, esp when they are young and unexperienced, tend to think the quality of a program depends on the language used | 23:28 |
| fck | and better stay in redhat 7.0 | 23:28 |
| fck | :) | 23:28 |
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| fck | sure not, but you can write easy | 23:28 |
| fck | or hard way | 23:28 |
| fck | also after compiling where is some another aspects | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the only point - there may be differences in complexity and effort to implement the same function in different languages | 23:29 |
| fck | totally agree | 23:29 |
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| fck | wikileaks :) | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the result may have some immutable properties like relatively slow execution speed, or paricularly lean program text, or whatever | 23:31 |
| fck | interesting new leaks | 23:31 |
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| fck | i like python, java | 23:31 |
| fck | qt :/ | 23:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so while you *can* implement a FFT in shellscripting, you probably might want to go for C or even assembler to do that, just for the benefit of speed | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | for hostmode speed is a negligible factor | 23:32 |
| fck | c+ better | 23:32 |
| fck | or c :/ | 23:32 |
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| kerio | c+? | 23:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hell, I implemented complete CIM incl machine control in COBOL, and used a lot of assembler libs aka external function calls - just because the customer said he want us to use COBOL for it. Was feasible and worked, and even earned an award for best factory automation | 23:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and now mohammad tells me what I can and what I can't do by using shellscripting - LOL | 23:37 |
| fck | bash? :/ | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | I try to avoid bashisms, that wouldn't meet the design goals | 23:37 |
| fck | :) | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | and hell yes, maybe one day I'll refactor it in C | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | but first jrbme alpha will be messybox script. period | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm much for agile progarmming paradigm | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | not for optimizing startup speed of (h-e-n) GUI by porting it from python to C++/Qt, while still in beta state | 23:40 |
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| fck | h-e-n nice one | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | if mohammad is getting fun out of that, ok. His cup of turksih tea. | 23:42 |
| fck | :) | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | But creating an API by a shot from the hip isn't a wise thing to do | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually jrbme takes quite a bit longer, just because the API has to be fully specified and verified and evaluated prior to first even alpha release | 23:44 |
| fck | jrbme??. | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jrbme just replaces bme | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and jrbme will manage hostmode | 23:44 |
| fck | get it | 23:45 |
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| lolloo | guys extras-testing repo is not working here | 23:46 |
| lolloo | anyone has he same? | 23:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DUH WUT? that's new | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 23:47 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: nothing is set in stone yet, think of what he's doing as a prototype, you don't have to be so negative and cynical about it. | 23:47 |
| lolloo | since when was it down? | 23:47 |
| alterego | A couple of dbus signals isn't an API spec ffs. | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: FOSS is about clear words. I'm not cynical | 23:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: a couple of dbus signals sets a de-facto standard that's virtually impossible to change later on | 23:48 |
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| alterego | I think you're over dramatising the situation :P | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, it *IS* a part of an API | 23:48 |
| lolloo | why is the repos are down? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not dramatising anything. I just say it's wrong | 23:49 |
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| alterego | lolloo: it's working fine. | 23:49 |
| alterego | lolloo: check your network settings. | 23:49 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I say it's fine, agile development works. | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I say this in the most clear word I can find, before it actually gets deployed | 23:50 |
| alterego | Rigid specifications break. | 23:50 |
| alterego | For something so early in it's life cycle a bit of flexibility is probably better. | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's exactly what agile programming is all about. Create something, get cheers or flames, destroy it and dump the idea, do something better | 23:51 |
| alterego | Still, I'm sure if you actually helped him design the API it'd be better for everyone :P | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but agile programming also is about an incredible amount of discipline | 23:51 |
| alterego | Well, he needs to learn and he's been doing a _LOT_ of good work. | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: aha. I didn't only help him to design the the GUI, I even specified it to the detail, as you can see in this one tmo post. And helping him with specification of the API was exactly what I did | 23:52 |
| alterego | Oh, I didn't know that. | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I told him it's not a good idea to have any such API in the GUI | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I told him he should leave that to jrbme | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | as that API is better done in system than in userland | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what more of a help can I give? | 23:54 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yes, I get cynical when somebody starts to tell me about system architecture considerations based on the languge certain subsystems are implemented in. This bit of cynism is needed to make people start to rethink their notion | 23:56 |
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