IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-11-30

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DocScrutinizerohh, missed one of your posts... -- yes, mohammad did an amazing amount of learning and good work in the last maybe 6 months00:01
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DocScrutinizerand I hope he won't feel pissed about me telling him in clear words where I think he's right and where I see he's asking for trouble00:03
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mikki-kunwhat was the smartest way to sync dirs with different versions of files, but just transfer the diffs of them and apply them?00:04
mikki-kunahhhh... thanks :)00:05
mikki-kunany parameters needed for that?00:05
DocScrutinizeryeah, a friggin zoo00:06
mikki-kuncoool, i always wanted one :D00:06
DocScrutinizersorry, I really can't recall all of them00:06
DocScrutinizertake a beer and chips, then do man rsync00:07
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mikki-kunbeer don't like00:07
mikki-kunchips make the keyboard dirty00:07
alteregoCoffee + Biscuit? :)00:07
mikki-kunso a plain man is sufficent x)00:07
mikki-kunalterego: that's more likely to happen :)00:08
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mikki-kunhm, rsync -av(n) seems to do the job :)00:08
mikki-kunis very helpful to have on the n900 where copying some stuff can result in an unresponsive revice00:09
mikki-kuni just recall somebody having had done some tests and stating a class6 mem is supposed to be faster than the internal emmc... can anybody confirm that?00:10
alteregomikki-kun: when it comes to rsync, I usually just google rsync + (my required functionality) :)00:10
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alteregomikki-kun: I was under the impression that the internal emmc should be == class 1000:10
alteregoBut you never know ..00:10
mikki-kunohhh, ok00:10
mikki-kunbut the IOs are f'd somehow00:10
mikki-kuntoo much pointing there00:11
DocScrutinizerthere's also an rsync GUI frontend in extras-*00:11
mikki-kunshame it isn't faster or at least having better IOs :(00:11
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: was just about to kill it and then reinstall it :)00:11
mikki-kunthat's why i am doing a backup :)00:12
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mikki-kunbut i think about installing it :)00:13
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NooBmonk3yalterego,  this ones gonna need a weekend to fix i feel ;) -
NooBmonk3y(really messy! lol!)00:14
mikki-kunis it possible to do xtunneling from the n900 to my netbook? (just curious as it never seems to work, it might be due to the x-server being stripped down or something)00:14
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SpeedEvilyou mean display stuff from the notebook on the n900?00:21
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SpeedEvilin short - yes - but you need xhost on the n90000:22
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SpeedEvilor alternatively, forward an xhost to the n90000:23
mikki-kunSpeedEvil: the other way around00:23
SpeedEviljust setting DISPLAY works for me00:23
SpeedEvilthough for individual programs only00:23
mikki-kunthat is what i was looking for00:23
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mikki-kunnot for the whole screen, for that i have vnc00:24
mikki-kuncan you tell me how you set up "DISPLAY"?00:24
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* DocScrutinizer wonders why ssh -X doesn't work00:26
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mikki-kunmakes me wonder as well00:27
SpeedEvillike that00:27
mikki-kunssh'ing to my netbook from my n900 makes my n900 run the stuff from my netbook and showing it there00:27
mikki-kunopenoffice e.g. works way better this way ^^00:27
SpeedEvilyou need to turn off powersaving if you're using X over wifi00:28
SpeedEvilOtherwise it's quite painfully slow00:28
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mikki-kuncan that be done on the fly with a command?00:28
SpeedEvilOf course.00:31
SpeedEvilPut the above in a script00:31
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jogasomehow I haven't found a clear answer to this question...can pr 1.3 be installed over-the-air from app manager without reflashing and if so, how much space might it need on rootfs?00:31
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SpeedEvilover 9000 kilobytes00:32
SpeedEvilI think it's over 60?M00:32
SpeedEvilI'm unsure of the actual requirement00:32
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jogaI have like 4900:33
jogaextra repos disabled00:33
mikki-kunSpeedEvil: you've been seeing too many "what does the scouter say about his power level?" x)00:33
NooBmonk3yalterego, :P getting there lol :P00:33
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mikki-kunand i meant the switching between powersaving and full power :)00:34
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: doesn't work for me, still osso-backup opens up on N900 screen00:36
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SpeedEvildinno - works for me00:39
DocScrutinizerok, might follow this example verbatim, but I don't think it will work00:39
mikki-kunhopefully my n900 will become fast and responsive again :)00:39
mikki-kuni kinda killed it the last months with not taking care what i install00:40
mikki-kunahhhh, i see it already coming, mynokia and the nokia hands x)00:42
wmaronepr1.3 did wonders for responsiveness00:42
mikki-kunand it should have host-mode :)00:43
mikki-kunat least in a beta stage00:43
mikki-kunhas anybody been able to mount some usb with that?00:43
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mikki-kunso much for responsiveness... i go into main menu and it freezes x)00:46
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NooBmonk3yok me stumped why would i be getting this error with autobuilder, if i'm sure the file is there? /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../hcimages.qrc'00:47
NooBmonk3ydouble checked the spelling, no capitals, all fine,r eally confused00:47
mikki-kunis anybody going to buy the n9 if it get's released?00:47
NooBmonk3ymikki-kun, depends what it is like :P00:47
mikki-kunif it is not really much better hardware-wise than the n900 and maybe a little worse software wise than the n900?00:48
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: do you mean slow like it takes minutes to open up any window on PC?00:49
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SpeedEvilbno - just annoyinly poor interactively.00:50
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jogadoes pr 1.3 deliver its own kernel? do I need to uninstall power kernel if I have it?00:55
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jogawell, guess google answered that one..01:00
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joga84.5MB eh...01:02
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mikki-kunreinstalling all my apps... "just" 850MB...01:03
jogaif I just reflash it, and make a backup before that, will the settings in my ~/ be backupped? like .bashrc01:04
jogaI guess I could just copy the bits I've spread around..01:04
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mikki-kuni am going secure and have some manual backups of certain folders as well01:05
jogaI've never restored from backup before, so does it remember the stuff installed from -testing etc too?01:05
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mikki-kunif you tell it so it remembers a whole bunch of settings tbh01:07
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: Nov 30 00:10:07 IroN900 osso-backup 1.8.20[27628]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display:
mikki-kunit remember pretty much everything i think01:11
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jogawell, maybe it's too late to do the update now, need to wake up for work, but maybe tomorrow :)01:13
mikki-kunnow that is just great -.-01:14
SpeedEvilYodocs you can open stuff from other computers on your host?01:14
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: my PC Xserver doesn't listen to ort 6000 :-/ Hooray for conservatve config of this distro01:14
mikki-kunOpenSSH server seems to need access to some stuff at /home/user and mounts it, hence unmouting it from my netbook while i back up everything...01:14
mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: which distro is it?01:15
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mikki-kunhm... i used that once01:16
mikki-kunkilled my xserver with that when i was a noob ^^01:16
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: fist the FW just discarded the inbound packets from n900 to port6000, so the osso-xterm cmd never finished01:16
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DocScrutinizernow that I opened the firewall, I realize I probably have to restart xserver to make it listen to port6000 - which isn't going to happen any time soon :-S01:17
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mikki-kuncan somebody tell me if is still active?01:25
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SpeedEvilI get a broken certificate, then a 40401:32
SpeedEvilwell - not a proper 40401:32
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alteregoI didn't even know that url existed, what does it normally host?01:35
sivanghi all01:40
* sivang was really sick the last couple of days01:40
SpeedEvilThat's the firrmware download isn't it?01:41
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SpeedEvilsivang: :( Did you become a zombie?01:41
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sivangSpeedEvil: sort of, together with overnight flighs, and sleeping throughout the day until sinus pains went off01:43
sivangI kind of switched timezones, again01:43
mikki-kunSpeedEvil: is that about my link with the broken certificate + 404?01:44
sivangSpeedEvil: anyway, I should try and get to sleep through reading my C++ book ;)01:44
sivanganyone tried to do everyday work with the netbook ux?01:45
sivangby any chance?01:45
alteregoI think my TripModel for track logging and statistics generation is getting a bit big :D01:45
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: yes01:45
alteregoAnyhow, bed time for me I think.01:45
sivangalterego: what does it track?01:45
alteregoYour mom01:45
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alteregoIf you hide your N900 on her.01:45
sivangalterego: (sorry to jump on you like this)01:45
sivangalterego: hmm, a bit perverse don't you think?01:46
alteregoIt's a GPS app that offers similar functions to handheld GPS devices like Garmins' etc.01:46
alteregoIt also includes live data streaming via Bluetooth and Network.01:46
sivangstreaming of location data?01:46
sivanglike GPS devices in the car?01:46
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sivangalterego: what maps are oyou sing?01:47
alteregoI had it linked to my N810 and used it as a bluetooth GPS the other day ^.^01:47
sivangare you using, even01:47
alteregoNo maps at the moment,01:47
sivangah okay01:48
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alteregoMay implement it in V201:48
sivangwell, you can use the maps in the reciving gps device01:48
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alteregoI plan on selling the app, so maps are out of the question until I can find a source I'm allowed to use ^.^01:48
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sivangalterego: talk to ovi :)01:49
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alteregoQt Mobility 1.2 has mapping included :/01:49
sivangalterego: what does marble use?01:49
alteregoThe ability to render maps and such.01:49
sivangalterego: yes, you can use OVI or other data sources01:49
sivangalterego: through mobility01:49
alteregoAnyhow, I need to sleep ^.^01:49
sivangalterego: sorry! good night01:49
alteregog'night ;)01:49
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mikki-kunis there somewhere a list floating around with all the repositories? (also some internal ones, which _should_ work)02:47
mikki-kuncause i can't seem to access some basic ones, which have stuff like bzip or the gstreamer plugins...02:48
mikki-kuni've only found one in the wiki which has extras and such02:48
lcukmikki-kun, all the maemo specific repositories are listed
lcuk(thats a webpage)02:49
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mikki-kuni was looking for stuff like "Nokia Ovi" (it is a "repository")02:50
mikki-kuni am having huge problems aquiring the host, it just dies and complains "no route to host" :(02:51
mikki-kunwebpage to the 3 repos i am having problems with starts with:
mikki-kunyou should have that one as well02:53
mikki-kunNokia Applications, Nokia System02:54
mikki-kunSoftware Updates02:54
mikki-kunsorry if that got seperated, but those are not resolving02:54
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DocScrutinizermikki-kun: there's  maemo, extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, and tools. The latter 3 get installed when you click that link on
DocScrutinizerthe first should be there by default on your HAM03:08
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Termanagood morning03:13
DocScrutinizer51you're late today03:13
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TermanaDocScrutinizer51: Are you going to dismiss me for being late?03:45
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Dhraakellianhuzzah. finally set up a password so that I can try to defubar my package management from a real keyboard05:25
DhraakellianI tried to install kdepim-mobile the other day05:27
Dhraakellianbut that wants to install libclucene0ldbl, which conflicts with clucene-core05:27
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* Dhraakellian finishes doing apt-get remove commands with packages pasted on after each failure05:40
* Dhraakellian figures there's got to be an easier way to do this05:41
* Dhraakellian doesn't know his way around apt quite so well, however05:41
pupnikfixing up apt issues is frustrating05:42
pupniki still don't know what to do half the time05:43
DhraakellianI'm more a fan of zypper, personally05:43
johnxapt-cache depends $package05:43
Dhraakellianbut, to be honest, I wouldn't really know how to fix something like this with that either05:43
pupnikin a pinch, i'll manually extract and install libraries and such05:43
Dhraakellian(although I'd hope zypper would figure it out on its own)05:43
pupnikdpkg -X foo.deb .05:43
pupnikwhat's zypper05:44
DhraakellianopenSUSE's cli package management tool05:44
johnxbetween apt-get, apt-cache and dpkg you're mostly covered05:44
DhraakellianI think I remember reading that rpm-based/non-harmatten meego will use zypper05:44
johnxI do wish for a *definitive* tool that does everything those do. aptitude does pretty much all the important stuff AFAIK, though05:44
Dhraakellianand zypper would be nice for the n900 keypad, I think05:45
Dhraakellianno annoying hyphen05:45
pupnikdefinitely need to get involved in meego so there's some chance to fix badness before product release05:45
johnxaptitude in interactive mode is pretty brilliant for solving broken states05:45
Dhraakellianoh, hey, two other people in the conversation, not just one. Darn you, Konvi, and your color-choosing!05:46
Dhraakellianoh, greaaaat05:46
Dhraakellianit errored out on me05:46
johnxDhraakellian, well, you might have found the culprit then. if you pastebin the error messages, I can try and give you hints. no idea if I'll help or make it worse, but I've been hacking around in debian for ~10 years now05:47
Dhraakellianwant the whole thing?05:48
johnxsure. but put it on a pastebin :)05:48
Dhraakellianoh, frack yes05:48
johnxjust making sure :)05:49
johnxI've seen too many people with no clue what the word 'pastebin' means :)05:49
DhraakellianI've been around IRC/freenode for the better part of a decade (but not quite a full one), so I've picked up a few things here and there05:51
johnxI've been around debian longer than I've been on IRC :)05:51
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DhraakellianI included all attempts that needed extra copy/paste package names05:53
Dhraakellianiirc. the clucene-core stuff is mainly for sword-based apps like rapier and katana05:54
Dhraakellianwell, in terms of what I have installed, at least05:54
pupnikhah hah hah05:55
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Dhraakellianpupnik: cleaning up after a failed kdepim-mobile installation05:55
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johnxwhy not just remove both the libcluecene0ldbl and clucene-core?05:56
johnxthat should remove packages that depend on them as well05:56
johnxthen you can work on reinstalling stuff05:56
Dhraakellianthat would make too much sense, I suppose05:57
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johnx(unless I'm wrong about it being recursive)05:57
Dhraakellianoy... and a colored PS1 would be nice too05:58
johnxinstall bash05:58
Dhraakellianokay, *now* clucene-core is uninstalling cleanly05:58
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Dhraakellianwell, not erroring out before I can say Y, at least05:59
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johnxso, the problem has to do with clucene-core and libclucene-whatever not being marked as conflicting05:59
Dhraakellianthe trick now would be to get kdepim-mobile installed and still get katana installed along with it05:59
johnxwhat I would do is hit up apt-cache depends $pkg06:00
johnxfor both of them, and see if they depend on those conflicting clucene things06:00
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Dhraakellianhmm... apt-cache show gives me a rather large Maemo-Icon-26 bit06:01
Dhraakellianrather annoying06:01
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johnxheh, and it's spanning multiple lines IIRC, so not a good way to grep it out06:03
Dhraakellianchanged since the last time I checked that page06:04
johnxdifferent repository?06:05
Dhraakellianonce the repos were added, I think I ended up using fapman on that last attempt06:05
Macernitdroid has gotten better06:06
Macerpretty soon it might be something that you can use normally :)06:06
DhraakellianMacer: when was the last time you checked?06:06
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MacerDhraakellian: today06:06
Maceri just installed it06:06
Dhraakellianbefore that, though06:06
Maceri don't get a 3G connection tho with the modem06:06
Maceromg.. like 3 months ago :)06:06
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Dhraakellianokay, I first checked within the last month or so06:06
Maceri usually try it out every few months to see where it is06:06
DhraakellianI don't have 3G internet at all06:07
DhraakellianI'm too cheap06:07
Macerthe modem works06:07
Macerfor data at least06:07
Dhraakellianwifi works, though06:07
Macerwell... i do and i couldn't get it working ;)06:07
Macerplus like.. a lot of the apps aren't on the market06:07
Dhraakellianand, while I'm not using 3G data, I still have T-Mobile instead of AT&T06:07
Macerwell.. a lot of the important ones like connectbot06:07
Dhraakellianreally cruddy coverage instead of just cruddy coverage06:07
Maceri have tmob as well.. it isn't that good in chicago either06:07
Macerwell.. it isn't that bad either. i would honestly say that it is better than att06:08
Dhraakellianthen again, I get full bars in the local hackerspace06:08
Macerbut right now i am using the bt tethering06:08
johnxoptions: 1) switch carriers 2) move to the seattle area06:08
Dhraakellianlocated in a basement06:08
Macerjohnx: haha06:08
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Dhraakellian...underneath a Sprint towers on either end of the building06:08
johnxI get 3.5G coverage at work, and am faster than our crappy 7Mb/s DSL some of the time06:08
Macerjohnx: i think they're all pretty much the same here.. except for some reason sprint seems better06:08
Macerjohnx: i have a 3.5G connection as well.. but i think they throttle or something06:09
johnxAT&T is crap around here. and my wife's sprint phone doesn't work in our apartment06:09
Macerdownloading large files while tethered seems to make the connection die06:09
Dhraakelliandangit, I want to get kdepim-mobile installed so that I can disable -devel and finally run updates06:09
johnxDownloading Ubuntu ISOs over my phone rather than through our DSL at work makes me laugh06:09
Macerbut nitdroid looks so promising06:09
Maceri sure hope they find a way to get the rest of the hardware working :)06:10
johnxhall Jay_BEE06:10
Macerthe cam and mic i think is all that is left and then add some APNs06:10
Macerand they're pretty much done06:10
DhraakellianMacer: more or less promising than meego?06:10
MacerDhraakellian: i haven't tried meego06:10
Macerbut i think meego is on the same boat with the cam amongst other things06:10
DhraakellianI've run nitdroid on a 2GB class 2 µSD06:10
johnxDhraakellian, what are the two packages you were trying to install at the same time? kdepim and katana?06:10
Macerand i am pretty sure the nitdroid packaging management is better :)06:10
Dhraakellian...that was a faster experience than meego on an 8GB class 6 µSDHC06:11
Macerfrom what i've heard.. and i am not a dev.. but the pkg management was a nightmare for maemo06:11
Jay_BEEisn't nitdroid based on released software?06:11
Macerwhich i am sure meego has adapted06:11
johnxMacer, it didn't *need* to be, but yeah, setting up an SDK was a pain for a long time06:11
Dhraakellianjohnx: kdepim-mobile (umbrella package for kontact mobile) and katana06:11
Macerjohnx: well. i couldn't tell you. i wasn't really a dev... but i've heard horror stories06:12
Macerand i am sure meego is following suit :)06:12
* Dhraakellian wouldn't mind having an rpm-based phone06:12
johnxMacer, you mean just as bad as maemo or learning from maemo's mistakes?06:12
Dhraakellianbut then, I'm an openSUSE user who semi-resents *buntu's popularity, so take that opinion with however much salt you like06:13
johnxI haven't had the best experience with opensuse, but I think meego is supposed to be based roughly on fedora, so we can both love it or hate it without having to agree on opensuse vs ubuntu :)06:13
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DhraakellianI think I've mostly forgiven Fedora for the grudge I held based on trying to upgrade KDE back in the FC1/FC2 days06:14
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johnxI guess I can finally forgive RedHat for RH8 (not fedora 8)06:15
johnxbut I was pissed at the time06:15
DhraakellianI think I skipped RH806:15
Dhraakellianwent straight from RH7.3 to RH906:15
Jay_BEEI went from RedHate to Slack1006:16
Dhraakellianreinstalling kdepim-mobile06:16
johnxyeah, apparently it had some problem where it was pretty likely to corrupt the RPM Db, and that was never fixed in RH8, they just asked people to go to 906:16
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Dhraakellianthen I went from RH9 (Linux 2.4-based) on a 400MHz celeron with 128MB RAM and KDE 3.1.x to Gentoo (with Linux 2.6.7, iirc) on a 2.4GHz p4 with 512MB RAM and KDE 3.2 (which had received a metric buttload of optimization since 3.1.x)06:17
Dhraakellianstill on that p4, albeit with 1.5GB RAM and openSUSE now06:18
johnxI was strictly Debian until Ubuntu 7 or 8 or so06:18
Jay_BEEfor me it's Slack for life!06:19
Macerjohnx: well. you can't reallly change a way of thinking i suppose heh06:20
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Macerugh. i am trying to find a  sweet spot for this phone06:20
Maceri think i might just take it and tie it up to a pole and put it in the iair.. but i think i w ould lose the bt signal06:20
johnxMacer, heh. my (first one I bought for myself) first computer was win95, which i kept for 6 months, then 6 months of RH5.1, then Debian, then Ubuntu06:21
Macerjohnx: i actually tried slackware first06:21
johnxDhraakellian, trying for the testing release or the experimental one? (of kdepim)06:21
Macermy first one was running ms dos 5 i think06:22
johnxMacer, I tried it at some point. but I guess I was already indoctrinated into Debian by that point06:22
DhraakellianI'm pretty sure it's the testing06:22
DhraakellianI *was* sure, at least06:22
Dhraakellianlemme check06:22
johnxI think I played with gentoo on a spare partition for a bit in 200206:22
Macerslackware was great for a while.. then they fell behind in the packaging06:22
johnxI got tired of compiling *&$% in like a week or two06:22
Macerdebian was working on apt and rh was working on rpm06:22
Dhraakellianwell, kde mail just started up06:22
Dhraakellianjohnx: yeah, I used Gentoo for about 3 years in total06:23
johnxnow you need to install katana I guess06:23
Dhraakellianhad a little distro hopping in between06:23
Macerthere it goes. found the sweet spot06:24
johnxI'd probably still be on gentoo if there had been a sane repo of binary packages06:24
Macerit jumps between 80K/s and 200K/s heh06:24
DhraakellianI still got some errors installing, but I decided to try running it first, before complaining too much06:24
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Macergentoo wasn't too bad but i agree. their binary packaging system was lame06:24
Macernot to metion that breaking python pretty much broke emerge :)06:25
Maceralthough in hindsight.. at least you know that if it built it most likely would work06:25
johnxDhraakellian, some errors? hmm?06:25
ieatlinthah, i'm a big gentoo fan06:25
Dhraakellianjohnx: oh, right, I didn't post the paste06:26
ieatlintbut i'll definitely agree that you can't go to gentoo expecting there to be a reliable source of binary packages (in every sense of the word reliable)06:26
johnxDhraakellian, ignoring errors is a good way to be in trouble later :)06:26
johnxieatlint, what's funny is that on mac I use macports over fink :)06:27
ieatlintports is awesome06:27
johnx(mainly be cause macports still)06:27
Macerawesome. insomnia x works for osx :)06:27
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ieatlintand the waiting on compile time is rarely an issue for me... computers got faster, etc06:28
Macerlast time i tried the thing would crash snow leopard heh06:28
Macerit would just totally hang it06:28
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johnxieatlint, It was the glibc or xorg recompiles that got to me, mostly06:29
johnxbasically, I never really used the optimizations and customizations. I'm a good sheep, but I demand instant gratification :)06:29
ieatlintyeah, glibc takes up to 15min, xorg maybe 2... but then, i don't generally upgrade them much06:29
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johnxI was actually working on a ports work-alike for debuntu for a while. I might start working on it again even06:30
ieatlinti like that i can take a tarballed automake configured packaged and insert it into gentoo's portage in under 30s06:31
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ieatlintwhich is a HUGE feature for me06:31
ieatlintubuntu and making deb files is just a mess..06:31
johnxthe newest stuff for making debs isn't *bad*06:32
johnxbut the docs and lack of a single unified tool are kinda painful06:32
ieatlinti'm unconvinced :P06:32
johnxit's just arcane :/06:32
Dhraakellianjohnx: paste^^06:32
johnxDhraakellian, reading it with half a brain :)06:32
Dhraakellianjohnx: that's about all I did06:33
ieatlintan ebuild is a single file, and you just need to put it in the right directory, name it the package name and version, and list dependencies on a single line ... that is all.06:33
ieatlintwell, plus the single step of executing a single command to add it to the digest06:33
Dhraakellianieatlint: in gentoo it's also downright simple to change compile settings compared to, say, Arch06:34
johnxI actually like OE's package system a lot. but I got tired of re-packaging stuff other people had already done06:34
DhraakellianUSE flags >> editing PKGBUILD files06:34
ieatlintyeah, gentoo has its issues, but i love it06:35
DocScrutinizer51oh yeah, native gentoo for N90006:35
ieatlintbitbake, etc06:35
DhraakellianDocScrutinizer51: with or without distcc?06:35
ieatlinti was always meh on bitbake... seemed not much better than straight debs06:35
DocScrutinizer51or even better, linux for hairdryers aka OE06:35
DocScrutinizer51with bitbake YUMMY06:36
johnxDhraakellian, looks like most of the problem is related to auto-optification of liblzma06:36
johnxI might try and apt-get --reinstall install liblzma106:36
DocScrutinizer51ieatlint: not much better?? I think it's the worst thing I ever seen06:37
johnxor maybe just go find its postinst script and whack it (/var/lib/dpkg/dpkg/info)06:37
ieatlintDocScrutinizer51, eh... it centralizes a cross-compilation system06:37
ieatlintscratchbox and the maemo sdk do alright, but they're still proprietary to maemo06:38
johnxieatlint, well, it produces ipk's, but the native bitbake recipes are very similar to ports/portage06:38
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ieatlintin conclusion all package systems suck :P06:39
johnxlet's make our own!06:39
Dhraakellianjohnx: yeah! let's see if we can make one that sucks the most!06:39
ieatlintalright... let's make it as annoying and inane as possible06:39
ieatlinti suggest some sort of custom markup language and a haskell interpretor06:40
luke-jrjohnx: already started. wanna join?06:40
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johnxevery operation should have it's own differently named tool, and its own totally weird syntax06:40
johnxieatlint, COBOL is the future06:40
luke-jrbased on ebuild, but designed to take anonymous patches to packages and such06:40
DhraakellianOptifying usr/share/doc/liblzma1 -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/liblzma106:41
Dhraakellianmv: cannot rename '/usr/share/doc/liblzma1': No such file or directory06:41
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ieatlintjohnx, i can go with that...06:41
johnxDhraakellian, yeah, so the auto-optification bit you. maybe create the directory for it?06:41
ieatlintwe could try and mix cobol and haskell somehow06:41
luke-jralso, it will share binaries based on input hashes06:41
johnxcore in haskell, extension in COBOL!06:41
Dhraakellianso what do I need to whack at with what?06:41
luke-jrso if you leave everything at default, it'll be binary-based06:42
luke-jrbut if you want, you can tweak a USE flag, and if nobody else has done that, it'll build it06:42
luke-jr(and then share the resulting binary with anyone else who does it in the future)06:42
ieatlintin a utopian society, that sounds awesome06:43
johnxluke-jr, yup. my basic problem with gentoo is that it didn't do it. how do you solve the problem of trustworthiness of users?06:43
ieatlintin the society i live in... i'll go ahead and add a trojan to the bin package and hand it out06:43
johnxDhraakellian, I would just mkdir the dir it's trying to optify06:43
luke-jrjohnx: network of trust and/or compiling everything 3 times by different unrelated people before trusting them06:43
ieatlinthashes wouldn't be the same06:43
johnxluke-jr, the former yes. the latter: hugely vulnerable to attack06:43
luke-jrieatlint: hashes are of the input parameters06:43
Dhraakellian/usr/share/doc/liblzma1 or /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/liblzma1?06:43
Dhraakellianall that's in either dir is a README06:44
ieatlintluke-jr: yeah, but what stops me from faking that?06:44
johnxprobably /usr/share/doc/liblzma106:44
luke-jrjohnx: depends on what coordinates the build verifications06:44
johnxDhraakellian, yeah, but the postinst script is failing, which is why the install is erroring out06:44
luke-jrieatlint: see what johnx and I are discussing06:44
ieatlintyou might have an easier time just putting together a small trusted array of buildhosts06:45
Dhraakelliancontents of README: "Purged by docpurge"06:45
luke-jrieatlint: that was option 1) network of trust06:45
johnxluke-jr, anyways, I just settled on a ports-like frontend to dpkg-buildpackage06:45
johnxDhraakellian, yeah, it's dumb. I didn't say it wasn't :)06:45
luke-jrieatlint: that is, it'll only use binaries from people you trust. or people they trust. and so on, configurable.06:45
johnxluke-jr, or only people in an official release group. and now you have debian :)06:46
Dhraakellianluke-jr: only use binaries from people Kevin Bacon trusts?06:46
luke-jrjohnx: that'd just be a "trust Group X" ☺06:46
luke-jrjohnx: except that Debian lacks USE flags at all06:46
Dhraakellianall the trustworthy people should be within six degrees of him anyway06:47
johnxieatlint, that needs to be the basis of our package mgmt trust system: 6 degrees of kevin bacon06:47
luke-jrDhraakellian: who is Kevin Bacon06:47
luke-jrjohnx: isn't that everyone?06:47
ieatlintjohnx: i'm generally skeptical of decentralized authority for trust-based transactions06:47
ieatlintbut that's my personal opinion... more power to you :)06:47
johnxieatlint, I thought we were working on the pkg system that sucks the most :)06:47
luke-jrnah, working on pkg system for Utopios06:48
ieatlintoh, well, in that case... :P06:48
ieatlintfewer than 6 now i bet :P06:49
ieatlintinternet has kinda increased the diversity and number of contacts06:49
Dhraakellianjohnx: at the considerable risk of speaking too soon, I think that does appear to have fixed it!06:50
johnxDhraakellian, good. now run your apt-get -f install again, while your luck is still working06:50
DocScrutinizerdocpurge, another one of those lovely suckers06:50
johnx!lart docpurge and auto-optify06:50
DhraakellianSetting up libkmbox4 (4:4.6~20101112.1196104-1maemo1.1194248) ...06:51
Dhraakellian^^random line copied from the subsequent output06:51
Dhraakelliankbuildsycoca4 running!06:51
johnxieatlint, just gave me an idea: encode checksums into version numbers06:51
DocScrutinizeroptification is broken by design, it was a hotfix that should have replaced by a sane partitioning plus cleanup of whole init system06:52
ieatlintlike git?06:52
johnxieatlint, more like credit cards06:52
johnxor more specifically, credit card numbers06:52
ieatlintluhn algorithm..06:52
johnxso you basically just *can't* represent certain version numbers :>06:52
ieatlinti oddly know all about it from a project :P06:52
johnxecommerce website?06:53
ieatlintnah, wrote software to decode magnetic stripes06:53
luke-jrjohnx: ieatlint's N900 can steal your credit card numbers06:54
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luke-jrhis app also told me my full address :o06:54
johnxfun times06:54
ieatlintyeah, i have a new version already in extas-devel, but haven't fixed the DL# issue... will get it done tonight or tomorrow06:55
luke-jrieatlint: how about logging everything I scan?06:55
luke-jrand displaying raw data even if it is parsable?06:55
ieatlinton a feature todo list06:55
ieatlinterr, dunno about the logging part actually06:55
ieatlinti'm hesitant to actually include functionality that can be used to skim credit cards :P06:56
luke-jryou mean it doesn't SMS you everything I scan?06:57
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ieatlintit's opensource, go find out ;)06:57
luke-jrso you say06:57
luke-jrhow do I know the binary is the same source⁇06:58
luke-jrieatlint just realized he could probably get away with it :/06:58
luke-jrieatlint: /j #anime06:59
luke-jrieatlint: to play Yandere06:59
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ieatlintthis is how:
wmarone... this is the last place I'd expect to see that phrase06:59
ieatlintdownload the source from there, and it's exactly what the buildserver built06:59
DocScrutinizerthe high art is to include a malware code into a png or bmp or similar, without destroying the original picture, and then include a 'bug' into the original program, like a missing or one too much *, to actually call that code06:59
Dhraakellianquick question: how can I reset the sorting in the app list?06:59
luke-jrwmarone: ?06:59
johnxieatlint, as long as you haven't compromised the build server :)06:59
Dhraakellianundo all the manual sorting I did so that everything's alphabetical again07:00
luke-jrwmarone: you can join and play too!07:00
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: yeah, and those are just crazy as all hell07:00
ieatlintbut i'm sure we've both seen the demos07:00
wmaroneno thanks, not a fan of the crazy07:00
luke-jrwmarone: cmon, it's fun07:00
wmaronecrazy, potentially murderious...07:00
ieatlintluke-jr: i'm going to sleep soon i think.. thanks though07:00
luke-jrwmarone: aka mafia07:00
DocScrutinizer""Hell! I changed the welcome screen background of this app and since then it segfaults! What the heck is going on??""07:01
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myuanyone here use mobile hotspot?07:04
luke-jron the rare occasion I 1) need it, and 2) it works07:04
myuits just plain not wotking for me07:04
myu"failed to start" when I hit the button07:04
luke-jrdid you install its kernel?07:05
ds3same problem here07:05
myuuhh I thought it installed itself07:05
myuI dont recall being prompted07:05
luke-jrit's stupid07:05
myuI will reinstall07:05
luke-jrgotta install it manually07:05
luke-jrI think it's called maemo-kernel or smth07:05
ds3isn't it power users kernel?07:05
myuso its in the same repository?07:06
myuoh its power users?07:06
myuits not multiboot-kernel-maemo?07:07
ds3btw, anyone know if the driver for the N800/770 can support AP mode?07:09
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johnxds3, pretty sure it can't07:09
johnxat least not with the driver nokia shipped07:10
Macerluke-jr: mobilehotspot installs it07:10
Macerwhen you install mobilehotspot... and it still doesnt work :)07:10
Maceri just resorted to bt dun07:10
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Macerit worked finr in 1.207:11
Macerso i am sure it is just another typical maemo regression :)07:11
myuaccording to this website it is the kernel for power users07:11
DocScrutinizer51if it's not you having installed multiboot then yes07:12
ds3johnx: what about the so called opened driver?07:12
johnxds3, no idea. I don't really hack on the N800 anymore, and I never had a 77007:12
ds3johnx: trying to reuse the older devices07:13
johnxI think I'm gonna use mine as a kitchen sound system07:13
johnxplug some nice little speakers into it and leave it at that07:13
Macerjohnx: an n810 with carman is good for the car07:13
ds3trying to find a little mobile access point07:13
Maceralthough ovi maps sucks07:13
johnxoh. BTW the nook color was rooted :D07:14
Macerbut at least you can get a window mount and bt obd2 and go to town :)07:14
johnxdepending on how that goes, I think I might need to buy one :>07:14
luke-jrMacer: it doesnt07:14
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ds3is the color nook eink or lcd?07:14
johnxit's a nice little color touchscreen LCD with an OMAP362007:15
johnxfor ~$25007:15
Macerluke-jr: yes it does. :) i was trying to get it going for a while. the mobilehotspot pkg installs the kernel and its modules07:15
Macerif you simply pick mobilehotspot with apt-get you can see them installing07:15
luke-jrMacer: it doesnt07:15
MacerThe following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-maemo kernel-modules-maemo mobilehotspot07:16
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Macerhow much are n810s going for nowadays?07:18
ds3much rather find a rooted eink toy07:18
Macerat least carman tells you your check engine codes heh07:19
johnxI'm mainly interested because the nook color seems pretty competitive in the 7" tablet space and should be pretty meego-compatible out of the gate07:19
Maceris there even carman for maemo5? i havent looked07:19
Maceri will believe in meego when it doesnt end up like mer07:20
Dhraakellianwait... what? nitdroid .8 was released?07:20
Dhraakellianhow'd I miss this?07:20
Dhraakellianor, wait...07:20
SpeedEvilMacer: no07:20
Dhraakellianam I misreading something07:20
SpeedEvilMacer: but it's just serial, and you can use miniterm or whatever07:20
Dhraakellianoh poo. it was just a spam revert07:21
Dhraakellianno actual new release07:21
Dhraakelliannevermind me07:21
Macerhow are n810s going for $560 on amazon?07:21
pupnikare you sure they're "going"?07:22
ds3johnx: there are cheaper tablets w/7" screens available though... alas, they are ARM11's07:22
Macerpupnik: doubt it07:23
Macern810 is $8007:23
pupniki'd pay for an omap3 tablet that can run maemo/mer/meego07:23
Macermaybe the gps?07:23
pupnik$80??? steal07:24
Macer440 somewhere else for an n81007:24
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Macerwhy are they so high?07:24
Macerdid someone find out how to activate the death ray? or find out it was crucial to modding a ps3?07:25
Macerweird. i would figure they'd be going for $100 or something.. maybe 20007:25
pupnikSeriously - what about finally getting maemo5 on another omap3 device07:25
Macerwont happen07:25
Macerit is barely on the n900 ;)07:26
pupnik$199 cortex a8 7" tablet07:26
Macern900... $34907:26
Macerwow hahahaha07:26
Macern810... $56007:27
DhraakellianMacer: that's only about $6 less than I payed for mine off ebay this summer07:27
Macerfigure that one out07:27
Dhraakellianthe n90007:27
wmaronepupnik: feel free to try it out and let everyone else know how well it works :)07:27
pupnikoh man replaceable battery07:27
johnxpupnik, think I'd pay $50 more for better build quality07:27
pupnikthis looks really nice07:27
Macerpupnik: don't buy a touchbook07:27
johnxalso: why would anyone waste time trying to drag maemo 5 to another device?07:27
Macerthat was my lesson on jumping the gun07:28
wmaronepupnik: bonus points if you can find the kernel sources07:28
Macerwhat a piece of made in china shit07:28
johnxMacer, mine was the pandora :)07:28
myuts a special macer07:28
Macerjohnx: did they ever release those?07:28
myuI bought mine for 34907:28
johnxMacer, had mine for a while :)07:28
myuits up to 400+ and its only been a week07:28
myuon amazon07:28
Macerhow is it?07:28
Maceras open as they say?07:28
ds3Macer: what else is wrong with the touchbook?07:28
Macerds3: get one and find out :)07:29
johnxMacer, it's pretty nice for homemade hardware . mine has wifi issues, but it's a really early one and I'm planning to send it back once they've caught up to the first batch07:29
ds3Macer: I rather build my own :P07:29
pupnikmyu what did you buy?07:30
Macerit was fail07:31
ds3Macer: no specific comments?07:31
Macerutter... fail :)07:31
Macernot really. went through all my ranting before07:31
myuok I got it to work07:31
myuthanks a lot guys07:32
Macerit is worthless tho... dont get one07:32
Maceryou will regret07:32
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ds3it can't be worse then the low end android tablets floating around07:33
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Maceryup.. i think it would be :)07:35
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ds3I cannot imagine how that is possible07:36
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pupnikoh man, 3000 mAh replaceable battery07:37
ds3better then the N900 :P07:37
johnxds3, as I understand, when used as a laptop it tends to fall over07:37
ds3johnx: Ohhhh... the old TC1000's have that problem too07:37
pupnikanybody in germany want to hack on one of these07:38
myuah also got netstory to work :D07:41
myuI guess it just doesnt do wifi07:41
johnxds3, that's just the tip of it. they were apparently just pretty poorly constructed and never really had great software support07:42
pupniklooks like some of these tablets have one dude writing drivers ;)07:43
* Dhraakellian disables extras-devel07:44
ds3johnx: I'd guess that's the story with some of those ARM9 based noname android tablets07:47
pupnikwhat's wrong with wanting a 7" arm device for maemo/meego07:47
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johnxpupnik, nothing. just that I'm gonna be pretty $%*&ing picky about the hardware this time :)07:48
johnxbonus points for hardware I can get hands-on time with before buying07:49
pupnikburned on the smartbook?07:50
pupniklast chinese cheapo android tablet i saw was depressingly bad07:50
ds3isn't that the brand used in europe for the cheap tablet sold in the US under a different name?07:50
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ShadowJKisn't smartbook the fancy one by alwaysinnovating07:51
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johnxpupnik, not personally. I'm just done with being burned by hardware not meeting my expectations :)07:51
ShadowJKcompared to cheap chinese ones which are basically N800 hardware with big screen07:51
ShadowJK128M ram and some slow ARMv5 or ARMv6 :)07:52
wmaronethey're just cranking them out to ride the wave by suckering in the unsuspecting07:52
ds3ShadowJK: aren't there some that are basically ARMv4's?07:52
wmaroneit's like the deluge of cheap GSM phones in china07:52
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wmaronesure they've got a billion functions, but none have decent build quality, software, or any data service better than GPRS :)07:53
johnxmost are up to high clockspeed ARM11's and the best are Cortex A8's now07:53
pupniki just want a 'photo frame' for the bedside that also displays web and movies07:54
pupnikbut then if i buy that, it should also be 100% hackable07:54
johnxbut, since I care about build quality, decent hardware and something easily meego compatible the choices are slim07:54
ShadowJKI've never seen cortex a8 from a "cheap chinese" manuf :)07:54
johnxhence why the b&n nook color seems interesting :)07:54
johnxShadowJK, define cheap07:54
wmaroneso it's an enormous N900 ;)07:55
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slonopotamushmm... my gentoo server has 50 processes running, gentoo desktop box has 110, n900 has 160, ubuntu desktop has 22007:56
johnxslonopotamus, ubuntu wins again! woo!07:56
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ds3pupnik: know which a8 it is it?07:57
slonopotamusjohnx: it just uselessly eats ram :/07:57
Maceri should swap back into nitdroid but it kind of sucks with it being edge only07:57
Macerand no apps... like connectbot07:57
Macerconnectbot is nice to have07:58
johnxslonopotamus, you sound bitter that ubuntu has more processes. maybe if you're nice it'll share some with gentoo07:58
slonopotamusjohnx: that's what they call "bloated"07:58
wmaroneMacer: nitdroid is edge only?07:58
johnxslonopotamus, you misspelled "awesome"07:58
Macerwmarone: well. i cant seem to get 3G going07:59
Macerfor some reason it stays E07:59
Maceri got the tmob usa apn set up so i dont know what i am missing07:59
wmaroneweird, I thought that'd be automatic07:59
Dhraakellianso, clucene-core won't install when I try to reinstall katana07:59
Macerme too07:59
Macermaybe i am missing something08:00
Dhraakellian...but fapman went ahead and installed katana, even though one of its deps failed08:00
Dhraakellianthis to me seems a tad bonkers08:00
Dhraakellianhowever, katana works08:00
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johnxDhraakellian, hmmm, well, katana installed. the problem is that the clucene-core and libclucene-whatever packages aren't marked conflicting but both provide the same file08:00
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pupnikd3 omap353008:01
Dhraakellianjohnx: yeah08:01
johnxthis will *work* but your package manager will not be happy in the long run. your choice on whether to live with it or not08:01
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Dhraakellianif they provide the same file(s), I wonder if it'd be possible (or even desirable) to fool apt into thinking they're both there08:02
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johnxtwo options: modify libclucene to say "provides: clucene-core" or make a dummy package of clucene-core that depends on libclucene and has no files08:03
johnxor just get the kdepim guys or the katana guys to choose one thing to depend on08:04
Macerhm... let me go back into android.. but no connectbot makes this somewhat impossible to be useful08:04
Maceri guess the forums say that even tho it says edge it is 3G08:04
johnxerr, the equiv package should help here if you have debuntu on a desktop08:06
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johnxwould you run apt-cache policy on both as well?08:07
johnxare the really both from the extras repos?08:07
pupnikjohnx: so there's still no 'big n900' eh08:08
johnxpupnik, no, but once there's a reliable root on the nook color I might just buy one. probably early next year08:08
DhraakellianI'm not terribly surprised08:09
johnxheh. yeah08:09
johnxthey screwed up08:09
Dhraakellianshould submit a bug report08:09
johnxyes. to the kdepim guys08:09
Dhraakellianneed to remember to do that on the morrow08:09
johnxI wonder if we didn't used to have clucene in extras08:09
johnxthat would explain it08:09
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n900-spacehey all09:12
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n900-spacehi again09:18
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n900-spacei want to change that thing in microb through which the websites dont see microb as a mobile browser09:20
n900-spacewhat is that called09:20
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n900-spaceand how do i change that?09:21
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n900-spacebrowser client variable or something09:21
myuis it in about:config?09:21
myumine doesnt even do that09:22
n900-spaceno i want to chang it09:22
n900-spacelike from whatever the default is09:22
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keriouser agent string09:22
n900-spaceoh yea that kerio09:22
keriochange that09:23
n900-spacein microb?09:23
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n900-spaceand where should i change it?09:23
n900-spacesome file?09:23
myuyou didnt check about:config?09:23
myujust type that into microb09:23
n900-spaceok wait09:24
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myuand type in actually I dont see it in here09:24
myuwhere is it kiero?09:24
myusorry I remember general.useragent. being there09:25
myubut I dont see an override09:25
kerioadd it09:25
kerioor change that09:26
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n900-spacethere is a09:26
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n900-spacewhich has the value09:28
n900-spaceFirefox/3.5 Maemo Browser RX-51 N90009:28
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n900-spacewhat should i change the to?09:28
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Macerhells yeah09:29
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Macergot connectbot going on my n900 nitdroid09:30
Maceri cant figure out what ctrl is tho since i have no trackball lol09:30
n900-spacetell me the user agent string guys09:32
Macerok wtf :)09:33
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Macerok.. guess you cant use ctrl when using connectbot on a phone with no trackball? :)09:34
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myuclick on that space09:35
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Macerthere is a ctrl that pops up on screen09:36
myufollow the tinyurls in there09:36
myuone of them ought to have instructions09:36
Macerfor mapping?09:36
Macerit would be nice to map ctrl09:36
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n900-spacejust installed a hideuseragent apps from the repos09:37
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Maceroh. you were talking about the user agent09:38
Macerwow... guess the oskb works too09:39
Maceri thought it was a link to get the ctrl key mapped for connectbot in nitdroid lol09:42
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n900-spacehideuseragent works09:51
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myuhey when you guys use irssi on the n90009:59
myuwhat acts as the alt button?09:59
marmoutemyu: what would you use the alt for ?10:01
myuto change windows right?10:01
myualt +110:01
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zgoldbergDoes anybody know where the hildon-desktop widget config is  stored?  my email widget has suddenly gone missing and i  cant add it back10:07
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myuok so its ctrl+n ctrl+p and you have to bing the numbers10:08
lollooemai widget is there, but look for it10:08
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mecethis actually looks kinda interesting:
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_|Nix|_X-Fade: Ping! Can you please help me out with this one: I have no idea why it keeps failing ...10:31
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_|Nix|_X-Fade: It started happening a couple of versions back (2.7.5-2nix3), so I gave up. But there are some important MSN fixes that require a newer version of pidgin.10:34
_|Nix|_X-Fade: It seems that the build system was changed fairly substantially from 2.7.5-2nix2 to 2.7.5-2nix3, because the output of the 2.7.5-2nix2 armel OK file is very different (at the top of the file) from the 2.7.5-2nix3 FAILED file ...10:35
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JaffaMorning, all10:41
_|Nix|_Morns ...10:41
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_|Nix|_Hmmm ... did anything change in the fremantle build process? My pidgin build fails seemingly without error ... I don't get it ...10:42
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myudoes ctrl+backspace really start the taskman?10:46
_|Nix|_myu: Yup ...10:47
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Venemoalterego: ping10:56
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Venemohey _|Nix|_10:57
Venemoaren't you the author of Pidgin for Maemo?10:57
_|Nix|_I am ... I wish I could build it ...10:57
_|Nix|_I dunno what's going on with it ...10:57
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_|Nix|_I'm trying to build another package I have, see if that passess ...10:57
Venemoyeah, I saw the TMO thread10:58
_|Nix|_Yeah ... that one works ...10:58
Venemoyou really need to poke X-Fade about it10:58
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Corsachmhm, the addressbook db is just a hash table?10:58
VenemoI'm wondering, did you successfully solve the Hildon-Extras dependency issue you talked about on the mailing list?10:58
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_|Nix|_Venemo: I noticed that libhildon was using AS_VERSION() to set up the library version. However, for some reason I dunno where to get that macro from.11:00
_|Nix|_Venemo: libhildon-extras is always .so.0.0.0, but libhildon is not.11:00
_|Nix|_It actually has some versioning ...11:00
Venemo_|Nix|_: did my e-mail help you solve it?11:00
_|Nix|_Venemo: I suspect that's how debhelper knows what ersion of the package to grab ...11:01
_|Nix|_Venemo: BBIAB ...11:01
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Venemo_|Nix|_:  you need to add libhildon-extras1 (>=x.y.z) to your Depends section in the control file11:01
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MohammadAGsuccessfully flashed my N900 from another N90011:08
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MohammadAGhad to use a hub so it enumerates in flashing mode11:08
VenemoMohammadAG: LoL, congrats! :P11:09
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TermanaMohammadAG, what did you do, use Flasher in qemu usermode?11:09
powerhi, i'm having a wierd issue with imap4s my account. it fetchs the mails correctly, but when i click one to view, it slides to right (mail view screen i suppose) then before viewing the mail, it slides back to list view.11:09
meceI filled that gaping hole in the repositories that have been bothering us all:
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meceMohammadAG, that is pretty sweet :D11:11
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Venemomece: so why is it a problem if I type 'sl'?11:13
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meceVenemo, it's not a problem11:14
Venemomece: then why does it need correcting?11:14
meceVenemo, it's a joke11:14
Venemomece: lol.11:16
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meceVenemo, try it.11:16
myuhey how can I configure it so that11:16
myuwhen I click a shortcut twice, multiple instances appear11:17
merlincoreyI like sl -l11:17
Venemomece: I will :P11:17
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mecemerlincorey, haha I didn't notice that :D11:18
merlincoreymece: you added it to the repo and you've never read the manpage?11:18
* merlincorey pulls out his cane and walker 11:18
merlincoreyRTFM sonny! and get off my lawn!11:18
merlincoreynice addition :)11:18
merlincoreyan old favorite of mine11:19
mecemerlincorey, well i browsed them, but I didn't notice they were different11:19
merlincoreyfair enough11:19
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merlincoreyI have done them all :P11:19
merlincoreyby accident in fact11:19
mecemerlincorey, hehe11:19
merlincoreyand on purpose11:19
mecemerlincorey, so in short, the N900 is now a much better device11:19
merlincoreyagreed, strongly11:20
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chem|stmece: you didn't... you actualy did... ;) tuutuuut11:38
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RST38hmoo all11:53
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pupnikso the big n900 is still the joggler11:54
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Termanamoorning RST38h11:59
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VenemoRST38h: moo to you too :P12:08
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mecechem|st: :D12:10
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Venemoif I read 1 byte with fread from a file and put it into a 32-bit integer, will it put the read data to the end or the beginning of the integer?12:21
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tackatsivang: ping12:22
tackatsivang: you had a question regarding Marble? :)12:22
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X-Fade_|Nix|_: Hi12:25
X-Fade_|Nix|_: This usually happens when your debian/control is broken.12:25
sivangtackat: hi :)12:26
tackatsivang: ho12:26
X-Fade_|Nix|_: Check for Windows[tm] linefeeds or multiple linefeeds etc..12:26
sivangtackat: someone told me he saw a demonistration of marble using OVI maps and data as the backend12:26
sivangtackat: I was wondering how that's done, through mobility perhaps?12:26
X-FadeLunc now.12:26
X-Fade*lunch even.12:26
tackatsivang: technically we do that through Marble's own framework12:26
tackatsivang: actually that feature is an "accidental" feature12:27
tackatsivang: we have a pretty generic way to handle the data12:27
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tackatsivang: as part of Marble 0.10.0 (part of KDE 4.5)12:28
tackatsivang: and I only found out after the release that technically it just requires to edit an XML file in Marble to load Ovimaps.12:29
sivangtackat: oh right, I recall now, I think we discussed this at Dublin12:29
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sivangtackat: you have the snippet somewhere?12:29
tackatsivang: ah - did we?12:29
tackatsivang: what's your realname?12:29
sivangtackat: sivan12:30
sivangtackat: marble's framework is kdelibes dependent ?12:31
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tackatsivang: no12:31
tackatsivang: it's pure Qt 4.x12:31
tackatsivang: no KDE libraries or other libraries involved12:31
tackatsivang: that was a design decision to make it easily portable :)12:32
sivangtackat: nice, is it in meego repos already? :)12:32
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tackatsivang: no, see the discussion section here:12:33
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tackatsivang: so there are packages but it's not in the repos12:34
tackatsivang: and this is how ovimaps looks like in Marble with experimental OpenGL support:
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tackatsivang: unfortunately we can't ship the ovimaps stuff due to the restrictive OviMaps Terms and Conditions.12:36
sivangtackat: yes, noted12:37
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sivangtackat: nice, opengl is not mandatory for ovimaps to work right?12:38
sivange.g. unrelated12:38
tackatyes unrelated12:38
sivangtackat: I like the globe affect12:38
sivangand the topology12:38
tackatsivang: the openGL feature is planned for Marble 1.2 release in summer 201112:39
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sivangtackat: where does the data for topology rendering comes from? the map provider as well?12:39
sivange.g. heights of points on the plane ?12:39
tackatsivang: well Bernhard did a quick and dirty temporary solution for that12:39
tackatsivang: in Marble we have the "Atlas" map12:40
tackatsivang: which uses height relief data12:40
tackatand that one gets reused for the OpenGL mode12:40
tackatIt's pretty coarse since the original intent for that data was just to render a classroom style topographic map.12:41
sivangheh, the result is quite nice, though12:41
tackatbut bernhard just reused that and it works pretty well12:41
tackatsivang: we'll basically use the same technical approach for the release -- just using higher resolution  data12:42
sivangtackat: the globe view is using he same data?12:42
BCMMhow does maemo start pulseaudio? i may be an upstart newbie, but i can't find the script responsible12:42
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sivangtackat: nm, mis-phrase12:43
tackatsivang: if you start Marble and take the default map - which is "Atlas" then you see a green/blue topographic class room style map12:43
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tackatsivang: that "Atlas" data is reused for the height profile in the OpenGL mode. See this very very old blog entry for the details of the Atlas map:
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sivangtackat: I'll give it a read, Thanks.12:46
sivangtackat: I'm curious how the "globe" map mode is created, or the Atlas if that's the name12:46
sivangtackat: e.g. round earth sphere12:46
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tackatsivang: right now it's software rendering12:47
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tackatsivang: we have this generic render pipeline that takes projections into account. And as part of that we have a GeoPainter -- which is a QPainter with a geodetic API.12:48
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VenemoDocScrutinizer: ping12:49
sivangtackat: I have to give it a good read, the code that is, sounds cool :)12:49
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tackatsivang: here's a tutorial: (note that it goes across several pages)12:50
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DocScrutinizer51Venemo: *yawb*12:50
DocScrutinizer51Venemo: *yawn*12:50
tackatsivang: and then we also have the #marble channel on freenode and our facebook page for bleeding edge news:
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sivangtackat: that's what I like about lots of KDE's projects. They generally come with good docs to start with.12:51
tackatWell Marble is just in terms of organization a KDE app (and in terms of the optional KDE integration). Technically it's pure Qt :-) .12:53
VenemoDocScrutinizer51: pm'd you12:53
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_|Nix|_X-Fade: Thanks!12:54
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tackatsivang: ah yes, now I recall your face ;)12:54
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MohammadAGabout flashing an N900 from an N90013:00
MohammadAGTermana, flasher works on the N900, it's preinstalled since 1.1.113:00
MohammadAGyou have to use a hub to make the N900 stay in flashing mode, since when using a hub, anything under it is auto enumerated13:01
MohammadAGalso, you can charge an N900 from another one13:01
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MohammadAGthought it's not really effecient, for obvious reasons13:02
Macerthat's kind of ghetto13:02
Macercharging an n900 from an n90013:02
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, nah, I don't get pissed easily :P13:06
MohammadAGI'm an asshole sometimes, but usually i'm not pissed then13:06
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DocScrutinizer51lo mo13:12
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TermanaDocScrutinizer51: your late today13:13
DocScrutinizer51not really13:13
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TermanaDocScrutinizer51: I was in at the same time today as you are now13:14
TermanaOr is it just that you are always early, and I am always late - no matter what?13:14
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DocScrutinizer51well, I'm always in :-P13:15
Termanaheh :p13:15
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achipaX-Fade: heya, could you please take a look at the testing list holdup ? It really is hurting the process, we kinda used it to track progress...13:21
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sivangtackat: you ave a talk about marble in dublin ?13:25
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zokierwhere could i find an oprofile kernel for n900?13:29
chem|stMohammadAG: do you know where to get the ca-157 or another not so bulky adaptor?13:29
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chem|stas nokia does not provide it yet13:30
chem|stzokier: do you mean overclocking?13:30
MohammadAGCA-157 is an an OTG adapter, it won't physically fit in the N900's port13:31
MohammadAGchem|st, get a CA-101D, works well13:31
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zokierchem|st, no, profiling13:32
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chem|stMohammadAG: thats normal datacable... is the mUSB plug modified or why wont it fit?13:33
_|Nix|_X-Fade: Nice! I hade a duplicate "Conflicts: ..." line in my debian/control ... nice, although it could be a bit more verbose about why it failed ...13:34
MohammadAGchem|st, no, it's a normal datacable, I have an N8 here too, and the adapter doesn't fit13:36
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chem|stMohammadAG: in germany the ca 157 ships with it (amazon at least tells)13:36
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alteregoIs it g_nokia that provides the AT serial modem to a host via USB?13:39
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MohammadAGchem|st, with the N8, I know, i have that adapter and it doesn't work with the N90013:49
MohammadAGalterego, think so, yeah13:49
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alteregoHrm, this might not be possible then.13:56
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tackatsivang: ?13:58
DocScrutinizerchem|st: please read
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DocScrutinizer~debian chem|st14:03
* infobot tells chem|st to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!14:03
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DocScrutinizerhmm, if it works14:08
DocScrutinizerfor user14:08
DocScrutinizerI always love options... There's so much I don't have to use then :-D14:09
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alteregoSo, if g_nokia creates 3 USB serial devices, why can the host only see one ..14:10
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MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, they're only three :P14:10
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MohammadAG_alterego, is opening and closing a file with QFile enough to create one?14:13
alteregoIt is if you've set create/append14:13
alteregoIt's part of the file open mode options.14:14
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* DocScrutinizer drools over "Advanced Power 0.4.1-6" / "Advanced Power Monitor: 0.5.1-6" ©2008-2010 Kirill Plyashkevich <>14:24
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DocScrutinizerI wish we had something similarly nice and clean and well done for fremantle14:25
ham5similarly... to..... what.....14:25
MohammadAG_don't we?14:25
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DocScrutinizerdo we?14:26
nidOtheres been an advanced power monitor in extras for ages afaik14:26
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, btw, that's the thing responsible for "Charger disconnected" after bme is started14:27
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe missing milk -> no coffee actually has stronger impact to my performance than expected - yes I should check if we maybe have that14:27
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: HAHAHAHA, now I realize this annoyed me on N810 for ages, always TWO notifiers popping up14:28
DocScrutinizerthanks, mate14:29
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DocScrutinizernidO: compare this poor silly thing to what the diablo version offers14:31
DocScrutinizernidO: probably n00bmokey would turn green in envy14:31
nidOah havent really checked the actual differences, just know its the same software by the same author :p14:31
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, hostmode is kept alive now14:31
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alteregoDocScrutinizer: do you have any experience with kernel development?14:33
DocScrutinizeralterego: well, a bit. Not exactly on linux kernel though14:33
korhojoahmm. my keyboard backlights don't work14:33
korhojoaanyone know what i could try to see to make them work?14:34
alteregoDocScrutinizer: on the N900, g_nokia creates 3 USB serial devices, but only initializes one.14:34
MohammadAG_or not14:34
alteregoI can mod g_nokia module to initialize all 314:34
ham5blocking the light sensor dosent turn em on?14:34
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alterego(BAsically I want to use a usb serial port without sacrificing charging)14:34
DocScrutinizerham5: ??14:34
MohammadAG_korhojoa, lemme guess, you recently installed/upgraded kernel-power, if so, take out battery and SIM then reinsert them14:35
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MohammadAG_alterego, g_nokia isn't needed for charging14:35
MohammadAG_or so I think14:35
korhojoaMohammadAG_, really? hmm14:35
korhojoawell not really recently14:35
korhojoait's been off without the sim and battery14:35
korhojoaham5, nope14:36
MohammadAG_ls /sys/class/leds14:36
alteregoMohammadAG_: no, it's not, but the other way to get serial is to use g_serial (which g_nokia actually also does) _that_ sacrifices charging :)14:36
korhojoaMohammadAG_, twl4030:vibrator14:36
MohammadAG_if it only says twl4030 or something, do as I said14:36
MohammadAG_there you go14:36
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, proof that kernel-power causes this14:36
korhojoaso how come it does that?14:36
MohammadAG_no idea14:36
MohammadAG_it does it on non 2101 devices apparently14:37
korhojoawhy does the sim require removal aswell?14:37
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: how's taking out SIM and then re-insering it *on a non powered device* doing anything good?14:37
korhojoanon 2101?14:37
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: MohammadAG_: how's taking out SIM and then re-insering it *on a non powered device* doing anything ?14:37
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, idk, no device to test if it's actually needed14:37
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MohammadAG_but changing sim resets settings14:37
MohammadAG_hm, stupid thing to say, nevermind14:37
MohammadAG_ignore the SIM part14:37
MohammadAG_korhojoa, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Release14:38
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MohammadAG_Or Revision, not sure14:38
korhojoai tried it anyway14:38
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korhojoaMohammadAG_, it's a 210114:39
DocScrutinizer~lart matan for breaking powerkernel14:39
* infobot teaches matan the basics, including how to RTM for breaking powerkernel14:39
DocScrutinizer~lart t-tan for not checking this prior to taking patches into 'main'14:40
* infobot installs a bad bootloader on t-tan and turns t-tan into a brick for not checking this prior to taking patches into 'main'14:40
korhojoathey work now14:40
infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee14:40
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korhojoais there a way to enter the pin-code after you've booted the phone?14:42
korhojoai just bypassed the prompt earlier. does it require a reboot?14:42
Appiahgo to settings14:42
Appiahand phone14:42
korhojoaall it says is network unavailable14:42
alteregoI'm a bit rusty at this, is it possibly to build a specific kernel module rather than the whole source tree?14:43
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DocScrutinizer(kbd LEDs) anybody with powerkernel - and preferrably with the defunct kbd-LED issue - tried modprobing the /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/leds-lp5523.ko ?14:44
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MohammadAGyes, it won't register the leds14:44
DocScrutinizerN.B. /2.6.28-omap114:45
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DocScrutinizerI.E replace matan's borked module by the original14:45
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sivangtackat_: :)14:49
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DocScrutinizerkorhojoa: could you please get a syslog or dmesg output of a `modprobe -r leds-lp5523; modprobe leds-lp5523` failing to result in working kbd-LEDs?14:52
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DocScrutinizerfor your reference: on a working system it should look like that:
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korhojoaDocScrutinizer, well, sure, when they fail again.15:01
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MohammadAG_LOL Symbian^3 uses DBus15:04
MohammadAG_SYMBIAN_DBUS_PLATFORM_SECURITY with tcp and stuff in it15:06
FIQOk, i've never used sed as it's regex and i've never tried to learn it15:06
FIQsed -i 's/foo/bar/g' *.php - Will that do it recursively?15:07
FIQfrom PWD, i mean15:07
FIQs/PWD/working directory/15:07
infobotFIQ meant: from working directory, i mean15:07
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MohammadAG_alterego, apparently there are Qt apps on it15:07
MohammadAG_FIQ, yes15:07
DocScrutinizerFIQ: it will do quite some recursive mess I guess, yes yes15:07
MohammadAG_alterego, QSettings uses C:\data\.config as /home/user/.config15:08
alteregoThat's cool15:08
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MohammadAG_the panorama app uses Maemo 5's UI o_O15:09
FIQuhm, how much of it?15:09
MohammadAG_all of it looks like Maemo 5 + fcamera15:09
FIQas in, just toolbars, or everything?15:09
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FIQss :D15:09
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MohammadAG_dialogs, the Yes/No is the same as Maemo 5's yes no dialog15:10
MohammadAG_LOL @ 22MB free RAM15:10
MohammadAG_I want the battery low sound15:11
FIQPanorama app, is it official?15:11
MohammadAG_it's the same as the Maemo 5 one, with a cooler end15:11
MohammadAG_yes, Ovi Store on the N815:11
FIQBecause, if it's not, then it might be semi-understandable, if the developer began from Maemo 515:12
FIQofficial as in, from nokia15:12
MohammadAG_think so, yes15:12
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nidOI dont get the suprise, why wouldnt they look the same? easily porting apps to do the same and look the same on different platforms is basically the purpose of nokia making heavy use of qt after all15:14
MohammadAG_who wants the sounds :P15:14
MohammadAG_nidO, no, Qt uses the UI of the respective OS, not a different one15:14
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MohammadAG_last I checked, Symbian doesn't use hildon-desktop's dialogs15:15
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FIQisn't hildon even GTK?15:18
FIQthat makes it even more strange IMO15:18
MohammadAG_it's clearly a custom UI15:19
MohammadAG_but why base it on hildon15:19
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MohammadAG_ FIQ15:25
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FIQMohammadAG_, ah, ok15:29
MohammadAG_DocScrutinizer, seen it15:30
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: you also have seen `ke-recv-test ej` ?15:30
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MohammadAG_ke-recv-test at15:31
MohammadAG_you'll get an error message Unable to connect. No filesystem found, or something15:32
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MohammadAG_how do I encrypt a string in Qt?15:33
DocScrutinizerrot13 or what?15:35
MohammadAG_fastest type15:35
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* DocScrutinizer blinks15:35
DocScrutinizer~rot13 MohammadAG_15:35
DocScrutinizer~rot13 ZbunzznqNT_15:36
MohammadAG_M = Z, b =o, n = a15:36
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DocScrutinizerdo I really need to ask infobot to quote ~ask ?15:37
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DocScrutinizer >> make it unreadable to anyone except those possessing special knowledge, usually referred to as a key<<15:39
MohammadAG_I'm thinking of making an app that would lock applications15:40
MohammadAG_problem is, I have no idea how it would work15:40
DocScrutinizerthere are symmetric and PK encryption schemes. The symmetric ones only work if you store the key at a safe place15:41
MohammadAG_that's the easy part15:41
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DocScrutinizerso where's the problem?15:42
MohammadAG_how to take over hildon-desktop's launcher so it launches a wrapper instead of the app itself15:42
DocScrutinizera very simple algo for symmetric key cipher is to use the passphrase* xor on the target text15:43
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: well, isn't that simple? you need to scramble the original binary anyway to make it non-executable. So why not rename it same time, and instead create a wrapper under original name?15:46
DocScrutinizeror you do it the unix way, with proper permissions and users15:46
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MohammadAG_QCryptographicHash < nice15:47
DocScrutinizerthis would however require patches to hildon-applauncher15:47
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG_: QCryptographicHash probably is worthless, as it only creates a hash from a password. So you can verify for two passwords having the same hash (that's how unix user password auth works, the hash is in /etc/passwd - or shadow)15:49
MohammadAG_got it!15:50
DocScrutinizerI don't see how that helps your case here15:50
MohammadAG_Nokia-N900:~# dbus-monitor --session | grep App15:50
MohammadAG_method call sender=:1.113 -> serial=18 path=/com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr;; member=LaunchApplication15:50
MohammadAG_I could listen to that and create an overlay window perhaps15:50
MohammadAG_that should also discard CTRL + backspace15:51
MohammadAG_and the power button, damn, lots of stuff to cover15:51
DocScrutinizerumm what?15:51
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DocScrutinizeryou're sporting funny projects :-D15:52
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CableTwitchQuestion... how does one find out the version of the eMMC on a phone?16:15
MohammadAG_you don't, the eMMC is the same :P16:15
MohammadAG_newer images probably contain newer user guides etc16:15
CableTwitchAnd, given that this is a replacement (presumably from refurb), is it worth fhalshing both the eMMC and the rootfs to latest before I begin making it 'mine'?16:16
CableTwitchAhh, so the eMMC isnt as important?16:16
CableTwitchI'll just jam 1.3 on then.16:16
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jacekowskiCableTwitch: flash emmc as well16:19
jacekowskiCableTwitch: at least you will wipe any shit that is left there16:19
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CableTwitchTrue, true16:22
CableTwitchAlthough technically, they should have done that at the repair center.16:22
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CableTwitchI have both images from the attempted repair on the previous phone, so I can do both as and when16:22
CableTwitchJust charging the battery right now.16:22
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CableTwitchWheee, seems to have flashed everything properly.16:55
CableTwitchJust gotta wait for the eternity boot process.16:55
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CableTwitchAwesome. Well, the command shown on the wiki for flashing the firmware references an old on, not the latest one. Yay.17:02
CableTwitchReflashing with the NEW rootfs...17:03
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andre__CableTwitch, it's a wiki. you can fix it.17:09
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CableTwitchAndre: I should, shouldnt I?17:14
CableTwitchQuestion though... you dont need an account or anything to do this? I havent ever editerd a wiki.17:14
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andre__CableTwitch, heh, okay :) which exact site is wrong, and what exactly?17:15
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CableTwitchWell, for idiots like myself, copy+pasting the commands for flashing is the quick and easy way. Typically, I forgot to check WHICH release the basic command referenced, and ended up flashing a PR1.1 device with a PR1.1 (I'm guessing) binary.17:17
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CableTwitchIn any case, all it needs to do is point to the latest generic release, I'm guessing. Or not have any release as part of the example, so other idiots dont make this mistake Xd17:18
CableTwitchMaybe its just me being dense.17:19
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CableTwitchHuh. Curious. I appear to have libqtm stuff installed, when I didnt before. Is this a PR1.3 thing, or have I inadvertantly installed something useless to me?17:33
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GAN900Is anybody else really tired of Google's continued search "improvements"?17:50
yaccAny idea where to get flasher for 64bit Linux?17:50
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Corsacuse ia32-libs stuff17:51
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ieatlintGAN900: if you mean that instant search thing... yeah... i find it annoying17:58
ieatlintit can be turned off with a cookie, but still annoying to have to set it17:58
GAN900That and the damn arrow key hijacking17:59
GAN900All of the stupid AJAXy shit17:59
ieatlinthaven't noticed that18:00
nidOarrow key hijacks vanish with instant search disabled too18:00
ieatlintah... just see that now..18:00
ieatlinti have to say i kinda like the screenshot of the page in search results though18:00
nidOyou can still get previews without instant search18:00
ieatlinti just bought 16gb of ram for my laptop for $200 US (plus $20 in taxes)... i like this future18:03
Corsacdisabling javascripts makes the web really more usable18:03
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ieatlinti disagree.. javascript is very useful, but it's very poorly used in many places18:04
ieatlintperhaps block javascript with a whitelist of allowed sites, heh18:04
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GAN900"Disable user to lock his screen"18:10
GAN900Ah, Ubuntu fools.18:10
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slonopotamushow i install Net::SMTP::SSL perl module on n900?18:11
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yaccCorsac, adblock & noscript improve so much the web experience, it's always a shock to see it on a PC without these critical tools for modern websurfing, ...18:14
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DocScrutinizerany osso dev wizard could tell me why I see this: ? Why isn't it using kevents?18:19
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DocScrutinizerisn't it completely braindamaged to use polling on a mobile platform, when you got even driven architecture down to the hw peripheral interface?18:21
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Venemo_N900hi guys19:09
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Venemo_N900why the hell does the x terminal quit right after I start it?19:12
alteregoMine did that the other day, I got quite paranoid that something screwed up the shell, like editing .profile. If you've not made any of those changes, restart the device and it should start working again. Unless you want to investigate further and file a report or something ;)19:14
Venemo_N900yeah, but I'm not in the mood of rebooting right now19:15
joganever had that happen...I do have a shortcut for a terminal that ssh's automatically and that quits if I don't have net at that moment19:15
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Venemo_N900joga, it's the preinstalled xterm on the device, nothing special19:16
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alteregoI've only encountered this issue once, and it was with 1.3 so it might be a real bug, especially now you seem to have suffered the same problem.19:20
Venemo_N900anyway I don't care about writing a bug report19:21
lcukreboot and see if it carries on19:21
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lcukin the time you have been pondering it you couldv confirmed and got on with next thing :P19:21
Venemo_N900reboot'll probably fix it (did before)19:21
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Venemo_N900lcuk, not pondering :P19:23
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alteregolcuk: if he does that and it starts working we may not have another oppertunity to debug thed situation again :P19:23
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Venemo_N900and my cpu runs on max according to the cpumem applet19:26
Venemo_N900for no reason19:26
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DocScrutinizerI.E. some process is respawning or forking so fast and many times, you can't start xterm19:30
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DocScrutinizerI've seen that with dbus-scripting, flashlight-extra, and I guess you can have it with other programs/processes as well19:31
DocScrutinizeror something ate all the memory and now the OMM is killing processes19:32
Venemo_N900so you're sayin that some crap I  installed is doing this?19:33
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Venemo_N900well then the OMM's been working for 30 minutes now19:33
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NooBmonk3yevening alls19:34
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DocScrutinizerfirst step: close all browser windows19:34
NooBmonk3yalterego, ping19:34
DocScrutinizerremove back cover (will umount uSD and so no tracker will index it)19:35
NooBmonk3yGot an autobuilder error on the mammoth coding error that is healthcheck :P19:35
NooBmonk3y/usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../hcimages.qrc'19:35
NooBmonk3yyet the file is there :|19:35
NooBmonk3yseen that b4?19:35
alteregoNope, probably to do with the path though19:36
NooBmonk3yhmmm where does ../ mean, ie, the same place as the pro file? as the line above is cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../Healthcheck.pro19:36
NooBmonk3yand it finds the pro file fine, and the qrc is in the same folder :|19:36
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alteregoHrm, yeah.19:37
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DocScrutinizertrap "pwd; ls -l ../hc*" ERROR19:39
jimmy_hi can anyone help with my N900?19:39
jimmy_it has a camera problem it says operation failed when you open lens cover19:40
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: got no browser windows, nor SD19:41
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Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: only the irc client is running19:42
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: is it possible that the qrc is not included in the source package19:42
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NooBmonk3yits there :|19:42
NooBmonk3yjust checking the pro file19:43
NooBmonk3yRESOURCES += hcimages.qrc19:43
DocScrutinizertry to ssh in, and get a top/htop, and a dmesg/syslog19:43
NooBmonk3ycompiles and runs fine from qt though19:43
NooBmonk3yso testing it is fine19:43
Venemo_N900will do when I get home19:43
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: btw, as you recommended, I read the article titled endianness on wikipedia (redirected from byte order)19:43
Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer: it shed some light on somethings, so thx19:44
NooBmonk3yalterego, pro file here -
NooBmonk3y(i just added the rcc dir part in an attempt to get working19:46
jimmy_i've tried a reflash with no luck19:46
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alteregoNooBmonk3y: remove that and change the "RESOURCES += ../hcimages.qrc" see what that does19:47
alteregoI'm poking in the dark here though ;)19:47
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Venemo_N900jimmy_: maybe consider taking your precious to a repair center?19:47
NooBmonk3ytrying :)19:47
NooBmonk3yhehe know the feeling :P19:47
NooBmonk3yok, well qt building ok, will just test on the device, then try again19:48
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: does scratchbox build it okay?19:48
NooBmonk3yVenemo_N900, dont use scratchbox19:48
NooBmonk3ymad builder does though19:48
alteregoActually, that probably wont work :/19:48
NooBmonk3yalterego,  interesting though19:48
alteregoJudging by your SOURCES, HEADERS and FORMS.19:49
NooBmonk3yno pictures lol ;)19:49
alteregoYeah, couldn't find the file ;)19:49
jimmy_mm thats the last resort i would have liked to have fixed it my self have you got any other suggestions that are worth a shot?19:49
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NooBmonk3yok, back to normal again :)19:50
Venemo_N900jimmy_: reflash emmc+rootfs?19:51
jimmy_in that order right?19:51
alteregoNooBmonk3y: I'd be more worried about your compilation problem atm :P19:51
Venemo_N900jimmy_: yes19:51
NooBmonk3yalterego, compilation problem?19:52
Venemo_N900jimmy_: or uninstall everything that might have been messing with the camera fw19:52
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NooBmonk3yi dont get the other warnings in qt , just autobuilder :p19:52
alteregoThey're not warnings, they're linking errors19:52
NooBmonk3yi'm assuming they are warnings not errors though?19:52
NooBmonk3yoh poo19:52
alteregoThat is why your build fails.19:52
alteregoThe .qrc is a minor issue.19:52
jimmy_Venemo_N900: thanks i'll give it a go see what happens19:52
NooBmonk3ypity it doesnt say where there errors are lol19:53
alteregoI think you need to add the mobility libraries to your debian/control file in the build-depends19:53
NooBmonk3ythe question is, how? :)19:53
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alteregoI can't help you right now I have to nip to the shop.19:53
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: build-depends libqtm or whatever the package name is19:54
NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev is my current one19:54
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Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: I'll be able to tell you when I got home19:55
NooBmonk3ylol cheers ven!19:55
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Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y :)19:56
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: which part of Qt mobility are you using?19:57
NooBmonk3yerm lots ;)19:57
Venemo_N900well anyway19:57
NooBmonk3ysensors, systeminfo, qcamera,19:57
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Venemo_N900I bet it's gonna be libqtm-dev19:58
NooBmonk3yhmmm got that already :|19:58
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: add that to your build dependencies19:58
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NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev19:59
NooBmonk3yam i missing an m?19:59
Venemo_N900then link the failed build log pls19:59
NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqtm4-dev    ?19:59
Venemo_N900you need both of 'em19:59
NooBmonk3yahaaa will try!19:59
Venemo_N900libqt4-dev is for Qt19:59
Venemo_N900libqtm-dev is for Qt Mobility20:00
Venemo_N900so it's gonna be Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev20:00
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Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: tell me if there's something wrong still20:02
NooBmonk3yjust uploading to autobuilder20:02
NooBmonk3ymad dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S didn't like it much though20:02
Venemo_N900why not?20:02
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.20:03
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.)20:03
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: This is currently a non-fatal warning with -S, but20:03
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: will probably become fatal in the future.20:03
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NooBmonk3yfatal doesnt sound fun!20:03
Venemo_N900in the meantime, are you still using Linux?20:03
NooBmonk3yyup buntu20:03
Venemo_N900might be worth to install the Scratchbox SDK too then20:04
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Venemo_N900not right now20:04
NooBmonk3yyeah :p hehe20:04
Venemo_N900but for sometime in the future20:04
NooBmonk3ymy pc struggles as it is :P20:04
Venemo_N900because autobuilder also uses that20:04
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Venemo_N900so if something works with scratchbox, it'll probably work with the autobuilder too20:05
NooBmonk3ygot further ;)20:05
Venemo_N900still fail :(20:05
NooBmonk3ysame dpkg dependency error though20:06
NooBmonk3yE: Couldn't find package libqtm4-dev20:06
NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm4-dev20:06
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: cAN YOU NOT READ?20:06
Venemo_N900sorry for caps20:06
NooBmonk3ylol obviously not :P20:06
Venemo_N900you misspelled it...20:06
Venemo_N900there is no libqtm4-dev20:07
NooBmonk3yjust seen20:07
Venemo_N900sorry :P20:07
mecegaddamn windows!20:07
Venemo_N900mece: what's up?20:07
NooBmonk3yok seemed happier20:07
NooBmonk3ylol mecwe20:07
meceI did some work on a project on my work computer20:07
mecewhich is windows xp, forgot to push the git, and now it's unreachable, eventhough the computer is on.20:08
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meceso... can't really continue to work on it now, can I?20:08
Venemo_N900mece: why is it unreachable?20:09
meceVenemo_N900, well how would I access it?20:09
meceVenemo_N900, it's a windows machine20:09
Venemo_N900mece: isn't it on your hard drive?20:09
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meceVenemo_N900, well yes, but not in my home where I am now, but at my workplace20:09
Venemo_N900mece: oh, that compicates things.20:10
Venemo_N900remote desktop? vnc?20:10
mecemaybe I have that rdesktop thing enabled..20:10
mecenot vnc I'm sure20:10
meceI've never used rdesktop, but that doesn't mean it's not enabled.20:10
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Venemo_N900mece: afaik not enabled by default20:12
NooBmonk3yok now back to the previos errors -
meceVenemo_N900, no I guess not, but perhaps the work admins turned it on for me20:12
meceNooBmonk3y, missing a build dependency, or the wrong version of one20:13
Venemo_N900mece: maybe20:14
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: looking at it20:14
* NooBmonk3y is gonna resintall qt mobility i feel20:14
meceNooBmonk3y: yep20:14
meceyou¨re missing libqtm-sensors20:14
meceNooBmonk3y: look here ->
Venemo_N900dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 220:15
Venemo_N900it's ~20 mins until I get home20:15
meceNooBmonk3y: a lot of libqtm but no sensors. that's why sensors would not work20:15
meceNooBmonk3y: which is where it crashes.20:15
* NooBmonk3y is confused :P20:15
meceNooBmonk3y, you need to put libqtm-sensors as a dependency20:16
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Venemo_N900packaging is always like voodoo magic. I learn something interesting every time.20:16
NooBmonk3yprobably gonna need more than that too20:16
mecethe error is "cannot find -lQtSensors "20:16
NooBmonk3yie system info ones too20:16
meceand there's a package called libqtm-sensors and it's the only libqtm package NOT installed20:16
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Venemo_N900well then that's gonna be it20:17
NooBmonk3yi have no idea what the libqtm-* packages are called though20:17
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mecethese are the ones that are included:   libqtm-bearer libqtm-contacts libqtm-location libqtm-messaging   libqtm-multimedia libqtm-publishsubscribe libqtm-serviceframework   libqtm-systeminfo libqtm-versit20:17
NooBmonk3yahhh yay!20:17
NooBmonk3yi know from that what i need, cheers!20:17
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Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: 'dpkg -l | grep libqtm' will tell you20:17
meceNooBmonk3y: it's all in the root log. it says which packages are used20:17
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NooBmonk3yty Venemo_N900 & mece20:18
yaccCan it be that the initial boot after flashing takes quite a bit longer than usual?20:18
NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo20:18
NooBmonk3ylook ok?20:18
Venemo_N900yacc: maybe20:18
meceNooBmonk3y, maube.20:18
Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: nope20:18
mecetyping is hard20:18
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Venemo_N900NooBmonk3y: those go to Depends, right mece?20:18
meceyeah I think so.20:19
NooBmonk3y:) :)20:19
mecethe -dev ones only in depends20:19
* NooBmonk3y is trying20:19
mecedhe build depends are the ones that are not needed for running the thing20:19
alteregobuild-depends :P20:19
NooBmonk3yso the other ones? lol20:19
Venemo_N900mece: the -devs are going to build-depends and the simple ones to depends20:19
alteregoOh, cool, mece is on the case :)20:19
NooBmonk3yahhhh so i was wrong :p20:19
Venemo_N900yeah I agree with alterego20:19
meceit was a typo20:20
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meceNooBmonk3y, so, Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev20:20
NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev   and Depends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo20:20
meceNooBmonk3y, Depends: <the rest>20:20
mecetry it :)20:20
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meceno yay saying yet20:21
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* NooBmonk3y is crossing fingers20:22
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* Venemo_N900 too20:22
* mece is not. He's not superstitious.20:23
RST38hwell. moo.20:24
NooBmonk3y ;)20:24
* NooBmonk3y moo's20:25
mecehmm sensors is still not installed20:25
Venemo_N900still can't find sensors20:25
meceare you sure you uploaded the new build?20:26
Venemo_N900what happens if you try and add libqtm-sensors to the build depends too?20:26
NooBmonk3yhold on20:26
NooBmonk3ywill to a fresh new build and remove old files brb20:26
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NooBmonk3ybuildpackage still errors, just noticed20:27
NooBmonk3ydpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqtm4-dev20:27
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.20:27
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.)20:27
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: This is currently a non-fatal warning with -S, but20:27
NooBmonk3ydpkg-buildpackage: warning: will probably become fatal in the future.20:27
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NooBmonk3yhold on20:28
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NooBmonk3ythat old error is still there20:28
NooBmonk3yhang on20:28
NooBmonk3yits not in my control file!20:28
NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev20:28
mecethe package is called libqtm-dev20:28
NooBmonk3yyeah ! (I listened ven, i promise!)20:28
NooBmonk3yy build deends is correct20:28
meceNooBmonk3y, hmm20:29
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NooBmonk3yok rebuilt, checked and no errors20:31
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NooBmonk3yof it goes ;)20:31
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NooBmonk3yrandomness :P20:31
NooBmonk3yi always get the fun errors :P20:31
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meceNooBmonk3y, :)20:32
NooBmonk3y:) :)20:33
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Venemo_N900so NooBmonk3y is it okay now? :)20:34
NooBmonk3ywaiting on autobuilder20:34
NooBmonk3ybuildpackage went thru ok20:34
Venemo_N900well I just arrived home20:35
NooBmonk3ythe app itself is no where near ready, but getting it built will make my updates and uploading alot easier20:35
NooBmonk3yohhh wine was in there :p20:35
NooBmonk3yit just failed out, so prob mine next20:35
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meceno sensors again20:36
NooBmonk3yi think i know why :P20:36
meceNooBmonk3y, you forgot to add it?20:37
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NooBmonk3yi think its related to me taking a hortcut20:37
mecea shortcut to mushrooms?20:37
NooBmonk3yi should be using #include <QSensor> but that never worked so copied the files into my proj folder and used #include "qsensor.h"20:37
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NooBmonk3ybuilds and tests on my device fine, but i assume not on autobuilder20:38
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mecewell can you build it locally?20:38
NooBmonk3yyup :P20:38
mecedo you have libatm-sensors installed locally?20:38
NooBmonk3y? :|20:38
mecetrailing /20:38
Venemo_N900he doesn't use scratchbox20:38
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NooBmonk3yi build on ubuntu, using qtcreator20:38
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NooBmonk3yand test on my device20:38
NooBmonk3yBoo to you too!20:39
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meceok but still, it doesn't install libqtm-sensors and it fails on sensors, so I believe there's a connection.20:39
NooBmonk3yahhh wb Ven20:39
VenemoNooBmonk3y: you got my email address. send me the stuff20:40
meceit installs ALL the other qtm packages20:40
Venemo_N900I'll quit on the N900 now20:40
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NooBmonk3yvenemo lol its huge will chuck it up in a tar to ftp20:40
NooBmonk3ywill just do the whole folder so you can laugh ;)20:40
NooBmonk3yits a mess :P20:40
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CableTwitchAhh yes, the qtm stuff... if it shows up in the uninstall list, its safe to get rid of, right?20:41
VenemoNooBmonk3y: okay with me20:41
VenemoCableTwitch: if you wanna20:41
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CableTwitchCool. I dont recall installing it, I wasnt sure if it was something PR1.3 related.20:41
meceCableTwitch, well you don't need it in general. just for programs that use it20:41
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VenemoCableTwitch: it is there since PR 1.320:42
CableTwitchI did wonder.20:42
VenemoCableTwitch: for any apps that may need it (like with any lib)20:42
NooBmonk3yjust uploading :P20:42
CableTwitchRight, I dont do experimental apps, so I doubt I'll need it.20:42
NooBmonk3yCableTwitch,  qt apps have been around for ages :P20:43
NooBmonk3ywas just a new version that came with 1.320:43
meceI think qtm stuff is included in mp-fremantle-generic-pr20:43
meceso removing it would break that package.20:43
CableTwitchIf its been around for ages... why is it now shown in the uninstall list, whereas it wasnt before?20:43
meceqtm is new20:43
NooBmonk3yoh the mobility lot :p20:44
CableTwitchOk, I'm now truely confused.20:44
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CableTwitchAnd as such, I'll leave it be for now.20:44
NooBmonk3yooo my misses will be in the middle of a 4 minute exam about now ;)20:44
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mece4 minute exam?20:44
CableTwitchHades knows I dont need yet another broken N900... XD20:44
NooBmonk3ysign language ;)20:44
meceI guess he meant missus20:45
Venemoyour wife?20:45
CableTwitchThe SigOther20:45
Venemookay :)20:45
Venemosorry, I'm not native English speaker :P20:45
NooBmonk3ymissus is just a take on either that or wife20:45
NooBmonk3ymece, boss20:45
mecesupreme leader20:45
Venemomece: bedfellow, LoL :D20:45
NooBmonk3yVenemo, neither am i most of the time lol20:45
VenemoNooBmonk3y: aren't you an English person?20:46
NooBmonk3y1/2 australian, that may be where i am going wrong ;)20:46
VenemoNooBmonk3y: oh :)20:46
VenemoNooBmonk3y: and where do you live?20:46
meceok then.20:46
NooBmonk3yengland lol20:46
NooBmonk3ydoesnt mean i speak it correctly ;)20:46
mecea lot explained.20:46
CableTwitchAustralian? Nah, he's half drunk, half English ;O)20:46
NooBmonk3ylol CableTwitch20:47
meceand english == drunk, so completely drunk.20:47
CableTwitchSomething like that :O)20:47
NooBmonk3ymece, drinking yourself sober it is called20:47
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CableTwitchI've yet to get back to sober.20:47
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CableTwitchI tend to reach the heady heights of 'Acute Alcohol Poisoning', then pass out.20:48
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CableTwitchMaybe sober is after that?20:48
NooBmonk3yi'm a sensible drunk :P20:48
NooBmonk3yvery quiet and seem to know my limits :(20:48
NooBmonk3yso i just fall asleep lol20:48
NooBmonk3yalthough, my limits on friday night was 3 bottles of wine lol20:48
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NooBmonk3yand the missus does not drink, so allways entertaining20:49
VenemoNooBmonk3y: seems that you English people have a very good sense of humor20:49
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: yours is almost as good as lcuk's :P20:49
NooBmonk3yVenemo, we are very good at making fun of our selves, ;)20:49
NooBmonk3yhe's a northener20:49
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CableTwitchSensible drunk... quiet and know your limits... falling asleep... there is NO way you're Aussie then.20:49
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NooBmonk3yif he can;t make fun of himself, something is wrong ;)20:49
lcukVenemo, he only lacks bacon ale.20:49
NooBmonk3yVenemo, people who live up norf20:49
NooBmonk3yi r southener20:49
CableTwitchOop nurth20:49
Venemooh, okay20:49
lcukNooBmonk3y == wussy southerner :P20:50
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NooBmonk3ythey all speak wird-like oooop norf20:50
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NooBmonk3ylcuk, 1 2 3 4 i declare a bacon warrrrrrrrrr!20:50
CableTwitchNothing wussy about the South.20:50
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NooBmonk3ytbf, i'm so far south at the moment, even kathy aint much more southern lol20:50
NooBmonk3ylol btw did kathy tell you about who she befriended on twitter?20:51
NooBmonk3y^^ lcuk20:51
NooBmonk3ymy chief executive ;)20:51
NooBmonk3ywho seems to be stalking me20:51
NooBmonk3yok she is a woman so good start but 60ish lol :P (and rich lol...) - but also has a cute daughter i hear20:52
lcukhe wants to also taste mandys delicious muffins20:52
CableTwitchHow far south are you, Noob?20:52
VenemoNooBmonk3y: oh yeah... fails to even build on Scratchbox20:52
NooBmonk3yCableTwitch,  near brighton20:52
NooBmonk3yi can see the sea out the window20:52
mecegotta go cuddle with the ball'n'chain. good luck NooBmonk3y :)20:52
NooBmonk3yVenemo, coulda told u that without scratchbox ;)20:52
NooBmonk3ylol mece  have fun!20:52
CableTwitchBrighton... I hear it doesnt get that dark in Brighton, on account of all the rainbows and sparkles... XD20:52
NooBmonk3yi'm nearer worthing, old gay people, yummy20:53
VenemoNooBmonk3y: I unpacked the source tar.gz, that okay?20:53
NooBmonk3yyeah :)20:53
NooBmonk3ytis just the messy source folder!20:53
NooBmonk3ythat builds fine in qt creator20:53
NooBmonk3ytheres left over old crap in there, but will sort  that later :P20:53
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: yeah, builds fine in Qt Creator20:54
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NooBmonk3yi know i whine about package building alot, but it really aint straightforward :p20:55
VenemoNooBmonk3y: now I'm installing Qt Mobility to my Scratchbox (realized I didn't have any of it)20:55
NooBmonk3ythat would help! ! :)20:55
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Venemoit seems to be okay20:56
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NooBmonk3yfreaky deaky!20:57
Venemoyeah, 'make' makes a binary out of it20:57
Venemobut dpkg-buildpackage is still whining20:57
Venemoyou know20:58
Venemooh, this shit Qt Creator messed up the debian folder...20:58
* NooBmonk3y is the dpkg anti-christ20:58
Venemothey should call it Crap Creator really20:58
NooBmonk3yapart from the gui side is alot easier!20:59
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Venemowell you know20:59
Venemothe control file contains exactly nothing20:59
Venemonone of the stuff we told you earlier20:59
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: are you sure you sent me the right thing?21:02
yaccBtw, is there any way to generate a flashable backup of the installed Maemo system?21:02
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NooBmonk3yi suppose i need to set qt creator up properly so it looks like a project folder at some point21:02
NooBmonk3yVenemo, not in there21:02
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NooBmonk3ybut check the other tar21:02
NooBmonk3yi ignore the qt creator debian folder21:02
NooBmonk3yits crap21:02
NooBmonk3yi copy the project files out and use another folder to build21:03
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Venemowell that is not a right thing to do21:03
NooBmonk3ylol :P21:03
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Venemothe right thing to do is to set "skip packaging step" in Qt Creator21:03
NooBmonk3yahhh :p meh21:03
Venemothat way it won't screw you up21:03
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NooBmonk3ybut it worked ok for maecount that way ::P21:03
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Venemoyeah, but it is a pain to manage the stuff that way21:04
NooBmonk3ykinda, makes it nice and clean for me though21:04
Venemowell what I recommended make it nice and clean for me :)21:05
NooBmonk3yas the proj stuff is on a windows partioned external hdd, and i dpkg it on the linux folders in a clean new folder21:05
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Venemook, it worked for me21:08
CableTwitchI love how you guys appear to hold conversations in a bizarre form of code.21:08
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: not sure why the autobuilder doesn't work21:08
Venemomaybe X-Fade can help?21:08
CableTwitchI understand approximatly sod all of it, but its awesome to watch XD21:08
VenemoCableTwitch: what do you mean?21:08
NooBmonk3yX-Fade, is amazing, its true ;)21:08
Venemohe is the repo maintainer :P21:09
NooBmonk3yvery true :P21:09
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Venemo~seen X-Fade21:09
CableTwitchVenemo: I'm no coder. I dont use linux, except on the N900. Its all space-language to me :O)21:09
infobotx-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 9h 43m 28s) #meego (1d 9h 43m 28s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 8h 42m 31s, last said: '*lunch even.'.21:09
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NooBmonk3ywow 8 hr lunch, thats impressive21:09
VenemoCableTwitch: oh :)21:09
NooBmonk3yCableTwitch, as it seems, i'm the same as you lol i cant keep up with myself let alone them21:10
NooBmonk3ylcuk, any ideas? :P
NooBmonk3yautobuilder errors :p21:10
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CableTwitchI must admit, I come here for the technical assistance more than anything. But I do learn a little now and then. Mostly how to unbugger my phone.21:10
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NooBmonk3ylol CableTwitch21:10
lcukld: cannot find -lQtSensors21:10
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VenemoI guess libqtm-sensors is not okay on the autobuilder21:11
* lcuk hms21:11
NooBmonk3ygoogling -lQtSensors brings up nothing, wow21:11
CableTwitchNoob: I've taken delivery of my 3rd 900 today. First one I broke the USB connector (Not off the mobo, just managed to disintegrate the socket itself), the 2nd one just went into a coma and never woke up (was a refub replacement for the first), and now this one.21:12
NooBmonk3yi know what it is lol21:12
NooBmonk3yi think21:12
VenemoCableTwitch: congrats :)21:12
NooBmonk3yoh know, i dont21:12
lcukNooBmonk3y, hm21:12
lcukqtm-sensors is the lib21:12
* NooBmonk3y hmmmm's too21:12
VenemoNooBmonk3y: -lQtSensors is the C flag for making the compiler use the libqtm-sensors package21:12
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NooBmonk3yDepends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo21:13
NooBmonk3yso i assume it is realising that21:13
NooBmonk3ybut just screwing up?21:13
Venemomy Scratchbox could build it fine21:13
NooBmonk3yohhhhk :p thats good news :)21:14
CableTwitchDoes anyone know if SMB has been sorted for the N900?21:14
NooBmonk3yborked scratchbox, yay!21:14
CableTwitchWell done21:14
lcuklibqtm-dev is not pulling in libqtm-sensors21:14
lcuksee and check21:14
lcukit has all other components21:15
Venemolcuk: what did you do?21:15
* lcuk would say that is a bug21:16
RST38hevening, lcuk. how is life?21:16
Venemolcuk, how did you manage to make it build okay?21:16
CableTwitchOooh, something else I dod wonder. Is it possible to make the media player simply list all MP3s per folder, instead of very unhelpfully bunging all those with little or no ID3 data into one generic catagory?21:16
NooBmonk3ylcuk,  bug my end?21:16
NooBmonk3ybug that end?21:16
VenemoCableTwitch: there is a media player which works by folders21:16
VenemoCableTwitch: I forgot its name though21:16
lcuklibqtm-dev is not including the libqtm-sensors info21:16
lcuknot your end afaik unless you were meant to add it21:17
lcukRST38h, very strange day.21:17
NooBmonk3yohjkkk, so libqtm-dev packaging error21:17
lcukpulling in many places21:17
NooBmonk3yyeah lots in their21:18
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RST38hlcuk: ?21:18
lcukNooBmonk3y, which versions of qtm are you using21:18
CableTwitchVenemo: But no way of making the default media player do that, short of spending forever sorting out ID3?21:19
lcukRST38h, gotcold/flu type stuff with sore throat, son turned 16 today, having to talk when i feel like crap etc21:19
VenemoCableTwitch: nope21:19
VenemoCableTwitch: but I have my music with sorted ID3, so I never cared about the issue21:20
VenemoCableTwitch: there is a nice Windows app I found sometime ago that lets you sort out ID3 tags per folders21:20
RST38hlcuk: lie low.21:20
Venemolcuk, your son is 16?21:20
NooBmonk3yooo looks like the new qtcreator 2.1 RC has more maemo support! yay!21:21
VenemoNooBmonk3y: in what sense?21:21
NooBmonk3yMaemo Target21:22
NooBmonk3y   * Improved support for Debian packaging:21:22
NooBmonk3y       - Automatic creation of Debian files in project directory21:22
NooBmonk3y       - Debian files adaptable by users21:22
NooBmonk3y   * Deployment information is taken from .pro file's INSTALLS variable21:22
NooBmonk3y   * Support for "subdirs" and library project types21:22
NooBmonk3y   * Projects created by mobile wizards are now usable for Maemo development21:22
NooBmonk3y   * Fremantle: Support for exporting host directories to the device21:22
mikki-kunhm, a fresh n900 is indeed really fast, good i made the remake of the system :)21:22
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* NooBmonk3y thinks i should dload that version ;)21:22
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: sounds good21:23
NooBmonk3yyeah :)21:23
NooBmonk3yand RC means thats the pretty much final v yay!21:23
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NooBmonk3yoh hold on21:24
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NooBmonk3yqt creator, or nokia qt sdk21:24
NooBmonk3ydifferent things?21:24
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NooBmonk3ymeh, me using Qt Creator 2.0.121:24
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Venemolast time I tried their prerelease it was utter crap, so I'm sticking to stable ones now21:25
NooBmonk3yRC will be the stable version though21:25
NooBmonk3yas they wont change it :P21:25
NooBmonk3yhmmm bin file meh21:26
Venemook guys, I'd need someone who knows Linux well21:26
VenemoI have a problem with my PATH variable on my desktop21:27
VenemoI added /home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/ to PATH for the 'mad' command to work21:27
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Venemobut now the archive manager fails to open .deb files because this directory contains a dpkg-deb executable too21:28
Venemoand the two are ambiguous, and the wrong one is called :(21:28
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Venemomoment, I'll log in and out21:33
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Venemohi again21:36
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steinexVenemo, use first one is called21:38
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steinexso you should set PATH=$PATH:/home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/21:38
steinexinstead of other one around21:38
Venemosteinex: yeah, that was it21:39
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Venemosteinex: I made a script with 'export PATH=$PATH:/home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/' and put it into /etc/profile.d/21:40
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NooBmonk3yooo wow21:40
NooBmonk3ynew qtcreator fails but is great lol21:40
Venemosteinex: the problem is, it did try to open dpkg-deb from that place instead of the other21:40
NooBmonk3ycan edit control, change files etc all from within21:40
VenemoNooBmonk3y: why fails?21:40
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NooBmonk3yPackaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 - when i try to prun, even though it builds fine21:41
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infobotNooBmonk3y meant: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 - when i try to run, even though it builds fine21:41
Venemoanyway, I'm off to eat something21:41
Venemowill be back soon21:41
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Venemogood evening MohammadAG :)21:41
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: keep me posted about the stuff, I'd like to know what the solution is21:42
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: maybe MohammadAG can help :)21:42
NooBmonk3yworking my way through ;)21:42
NooBmonk3ydoes look good though21:42
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MohammadAGznc back, yay21:44
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NooBmonk3ywb MohammadAG21:45
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yaccAnyway to get mad-developer to run a certain USB config on boot of the N900?21:50
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trumeecan somebody on stock kernel post their /etc/pmconfig22:03
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  lcuk and new qtcreator = ooOoooo22:04
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MohammadAGfinally :P22:06
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, it's not fully up but kinda22:06
MohammadAGstill, a proper git page is the way to go :)22:06
MohammadAGwhat new Qt Creator btw?22:06
NooBmonk3yno idea how i did it!!!22:07
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* trumee anybody happy to pastebin /etc/pmconfig from stock kernel?22:14
MohammadAGI dd'd the tar.bz2 of meego, forgot to extract it22:14
NooBmonk3yVenemo, figured out why it is erroring ;)22:15
NooBmonk3ywhich explains why i move the files out to package ;)22:15
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NooBmonk3yrules file is not executable ;)22:16
NooBmonk3ygood by git setup i feel lol22:16
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* MohammadAG wonders how to read line 3 of a file with C++ :P22:18
* MohammadAG reads QFile's docs again22:18
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  scream at it long enough, will soon work ;)22:19
meceNooBmonk3y, still failing?22:19
NooBmonk3ymece, erm, kinda, decided to move to new qtcreator, making packaging easier ish lol - as it is all within qtcreator :)22:19
NooBmonk3ybut... having a few issues with it22:20
NooBmonk3yCan't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. even though i have set it as executable22:20
mecewell you know you can move it to scratchbox and compile there if you want...22:20
* NooBmonk3y grumbles22:21
NooBmonk3yanyway it worked in scratchbox for venemo22:21
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ieatlinthrm... good news: beer is 30% off at my local grocery store (along with everything but hard liquor, but i have priorities)... bad news: the sale is because they're closing22:24
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, debian/rules is executable, line 474 in it, isn't22:25
MohammadAGor.. not22:25
NooBmonk3yCan't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474.22:26
NooBmonk3yPackaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 1322:26
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lcukNooBmonk3y, what is on line 474?22:27
lcukif only there was someone with skills to open a file using QFile and read to a specific line22:27
lcukbut I dont know anyone who is examining such a problem22:27
* lcuk pokes MohammadAG 22:27
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NooBmonk3ycant you use a readline kinda command?22:28
NooBmonk3ycount, and if 3... erm it works?22:28
MohammadAGNooBmonk3y, nah, it's line 474 of dpkg-buildpackage22:29
MohammadAGcc lcuk :P22:29
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, ?22:29
MohammadAG<lcuk> NooBmonk3y, what is on line 474?22:29
lcukline 474 of this file::: /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage22:29
MohammadAGdpkg-buildpackage is a perl script I think22:29
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lcukthen you will know what its trying (and failing) to run22:30
NooBmonk3yoh ok22:30
NooBmonk3yty translator lcuk22:30
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MohammadAGit tries to execute debian/rules22:30
MohammadAGchmod +x it22:30
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  have22:31
NooBmonk3yif i double click, it asks me if i want to run it22:32
NooBmonk3yso it is exec'able22:32
NooBmonk3yexactly :p22:32
* NooBmonk3y 's dumbass problems strike again!22:32
* MohammadAG hates madde22:32
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alteregoComposed some screenshots:
alteregoThat's how bored I am right now ^.^22:41
Venemohey again22:41
VenemoNooBmonk3y: how's Healthcheck?22:41
NooBmonk3yjust got it to run in the new qtcreator22:42
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NooBmonk3yok... so now22:42
Venemowhat was the solution?22:42
NooBmonk3yit had old folder names from the non-exec external hdd in it22:42
NooBmonk3yhad to go through and remove them all22:42
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NooBmonk3yso i now have a nice neat build folder created by qtcreator22:43
NooBmonk3ywith no compat file, but i can sort that22:43
NooBmonk3yooo its there22:44
NooBmonk3ygd gd22:44
* trumee funny enabling/disabling the speaker while on a phone call doesnt change the cpu usage in Power Kernel. It remains always high. Power Kernel is heavily broken.22:44
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NooBmonk3ymoved it to the autobuilder, not holding out any hope and expecting the previous errors22:46
Venemolcuk: have I told you about my new app idea?22:46
NooBmonk3yVenemo, an app that builds itself? ;)22:46
VenemoI'm gonna make a jigsaw puzzle app22:47
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Venemoit'll open an image from the device which the user specifies, then it'll slice up the image and scramble the pieces22:48
NooBmonk3yVenemo, !22:48
NooBmonk3yat least it is cleaner now ;)
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VenemoNooBmonk3y: what happens if you add libqtm-sensors to the build-depends section of the control file?22:49
NooBmonk3yDepends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo22:49
NooBmonk3ythats what it is22:49
NooBmonk3yoh buil-22:49
NooBmonk3ylol i cant read22:49
NooBmonk3yu where right22:49
NooBmonk3ywill try22:50
VenemoNooBmonk3y: I'm just guessing here, but it may help22:50
VenemoNooBmonk3y: otherwise poke X-Fade22:50
NooBmonk3ytrying ;)22:50
NooBmonk3yguessing is good!22:50
* NooBmonk3y will poke x-fade repeatedly..... (urghhhhhh)22:50
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MohammadAG# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: bluetooth-coffeemaker 0.1.0-5 OK   Maemo Extras Builder22:52
MohammadAG# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 2.9.1 FAILED   Maemo Extras Builder22:52
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NooBmonk3yVenemo, unfortunatley, didnt work ;(
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NooBmonk3yX-Fade Ping22:57
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, ?22:57
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NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  you mean the coffeemaker?22:58
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KaadlajkNooBmonk3y: add libqtm-dev to build-deps22:58
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: What can I help the n00b with? :)22:58
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NooBmonk3yX-Fade, yay!!!22:58
NooBmonk3ycontrol file -
Venemonah, goodbye guys :)22:59
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: Missing build-depends.22:59
NooBmonk3yciao Ven22:59
NooBmonk3yKaadlajk, was in there ;)22:59
NooBmonk3yBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, libqtm-sensors22:59
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NooBmonk3y(libqtm-sensors was just added as a guess, failes without it too)23:00
Gh0stywicked :p23:00
Gh0stysomeone packaged iodine :)23:00
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NooBmonk3yX-Fade, any hints as to which?  :|23:01
Termanagood morning23:01
NooBmonk3ymorning Termana23:01
NooBmonk3ycannot find -lQtSensors confuses me!23:02
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: Does that qtm version even support sensors?23:02
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X-FadeDon't see sensors listed there.23:02
NooBmonk3ywell, works on my n900 lol23:02
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NooBmonk3ygood point though23:04
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NooBmonk3yX-Fade, why would it work on my device, when testing though? :|23:04
NooBmonk3yif it doesnt exist?23:05
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MohammadAGsensors are supported as of 1.3 afaik23:05
MohammadAGI saw a lib that polls the sysnode23:05
NooBmonk3yMohammadAG, 1.1 i think23:06
NooBmonk3ybut still works on my device lol23:06
MohammadAGPR1.3 ;)23:06
NooBmonk3yoh ok23:06
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NooBmonk3ythat makes sense23:06
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: Check what makes it build on your scratchbox then ;)23:06
NooBmonk3ybut as X-Fade says... doesnt seem to be in the package23:06
* NooBmonk3y doesnt have a scratchbox :(23:07
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: How did you build the app then?23:07
NooBmonk3yqt creator23:07
NooBmonk3ybuild -> run on device23:07
X-FadeAh, that thing has everything ... kitchen sink included.23:07
NooBmonk3yinterestingly, the code built on venemos scratchbox earlier23:07
X-FadeNooBmonk3y: You might want to try #qt-maemo or what as the channel called.23:08
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NooBmonk3ylol ty :P23:08
NooBmonk3ynever got a response in there will try though :P23:08
X-FadeHmm ok, not good then.23:09
X-FadeI don't know the dirty details of qtm coding, so I can't help you.23:09
NooBmonk3ythank you very much though23:10
lcuk#qt-mobility is the one true source23:10
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NooBmonk3ylcuk, so is bacon23:10
NooBmonk3ymake your mind up23:10
lcukqt-mobility includes a bacon api.23:10
NooBmonk3yX-Fade, appreciate the help though :) - i allways seem to find problems ;)23:10
NooBmonk3ylcuk, lies23:10
lcuklibqtbacon-dev package23:10
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lcukmmmmm libqtbacon-dev  :D23:11
NooBmonk3ylcuk, you need libqtGeorgeForeman-Grill-dev to go with it23:11
* MohammadAG reads header file23:11
lcuklol nahhh i dont23:11
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ieatlintNooBmonk3y: that package is severely deprecated and no longer maintained methinks23:12
alteregoThat reminds me, must make a local mirror of the maemo dev reopsitory when I go to my parents this week so I can actually use my auto-builder.23:12
NooBmonk3ylol lint!23:12
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NooBmonk3yieatlint, your'e lurking in qt-maemo! help! lol23:12
* NooBmonk3y forgot the please ;)23:13
TermanaAnd libqtBillyMays-advertisements-dev has disappeared23:13
TermanaMaybe that was some bad humour. Plus they may still run his ads :p23:14
* trumee filed a bug,
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MohammadAGmy LCD has... some kind of black line in it23:27
MohammadAGline it has water in it or something23:27
alteregoMohammadAG: LCDs have a layer of oil inbetween the glass and the backlight diffuser, sometimes the oil concetrates in certain areas and makes artifacts like that.23:29
alteregoYou should send it to care  :(23:30
MohammadAGthere is no care lol23:30
MohammadAGAnd I'm sure I voided my warranty by disassembling it23:30
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alteregoYou probably caused it then :P23:33
MohammadAGI didn't disassemble the screen23:34
MohammadAG<MohammadAG> line it has water in it or something || like*23:37
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NooBmonk3yX-Fade, not that i was questioning but i think you found the main issue23:51
NooBmonk3y does not include
NooBmonk3yso by including both would i be getting odd conflicts maybe :|23:51
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NooBmonk3yi feel i need to find and speak to this person!
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NooBmonk3ymeh #maemo has gone to sleep :(23:59
MohammadAGthat's a fail really :P23:59

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