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| DocScrutinizer | ohh, missed one of your posts... -- yes, mohammad did an amazing amount of learning and good work in the last maybe 6 months | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and I hope he won't feel pissed about me telling him in clear words where I think he's right and where I see he's asking for trouble | 00:03 |
| alterego | :) | 00:03 |
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| mikki-kun | what was the smartest way to sync dirs with different versions of files, but just transfer the diffs of them and apply them? | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rsync | 00:04 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh... thanks :) | 00:05 |
| mikki-kun | any parameters needed for that? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, a friggin zoo | 00:06 |
| mikki-kun | coool, i always wanted one :D | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I really can't recall all of them | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | take a beer and chips, then do man rsync | 00:07 |
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| mikki-kun | beer don't like | 00:07 |
| mikki-kun | chips make the keyboard dirty | 00:07 |
| alterego | Coffee + Biscuit? :) | 00:07 |
| mikki-kun | so a plain man is sufficent x) | 00:07 |
| mikki-kun | alterego: that's more likely to happen :) | 00:08 |
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| mikki-kun | hm, rsync -av(n) seems to do the job :) | 00:08 |
| mikki-kun | is very helpful to have on the n900 where copying some stuff can result in an unresponsive revice | 00:09 |
| mikki-kun | i just recall somebody having had done some tests and stating a class6 mem is supposed to be faster than the internal emmc... can anybody confirm that? | 00:10 |
| alterego | mikki-kun: when it comes to rsync, I usually just google rsync + (my required functionality) :) | 00:10 |
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| alterego | mikki-kun: I was under the impression that the internal emmc should be == class 10 | 00:10 |
| alterego | But you never know .. | 00:10 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, ok | 00:10 |
| mikki-kun | but the IOs are f'd somehow | 00:10 |
| mikki-kun | too much pointing there | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's also an rsync GUI frontend in extras-* | 00:11 |
| mikki-kun | shame it isn't faster or at least having better IOs :( | 00:11 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: was just about to kill it and then reinstall it :) | 00:11 |
| mikki-kun | that's why i am doing a backup :) | 00:12 |
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| mikki-kun | but i think about installing it :) | 00:13 |
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| NooBmonk3y | alterego, this ones gonna need a weekend to fix i feel ;) - https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 00:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | (really messy! lol!) | 00:14 |
| mikki-kun | is it possible to do xtunneling from the n900 to my netbook? (just curious as it never seems to work, it might be due to the x-server being stripped down or something) | 00:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | you mean display stuff from the notebook on the n900? | 00:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | in short - yes - but you need xhost on the n900 | 00:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | or alternatively, forward an xhost to the n900 | 00:23 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: the other way around | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | just setting DISPLAY works for me | 00:23 |
| SpeedEvil | though for individual programs only | 00:23 |
| mikki-kun | that is what i was looking for | 00:23 |
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| mikki-kun | not for the whole screen, for that i have vnc | 00:24 |
| mikki-kun | can you tell me how you set up "DISPLAY"? | 00:24 |
| SpeedEvil | export DISPLAY=my.host:0 | 00:25 |
| SpeedEvil | foo | 00:25 |
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| mikki-kun | my.host is an IP? | 00:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why ssh -X doesn't work | 00:26 | |
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| mikki-kun | makes me wonder as well | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/2006289 | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | like that | 00:27 |
| mikki-kun | ssh'ing to my netbook from my n900 makes my n900 run the stuff from my netbook and showing it there | 00:27 |
| mikki-kun | openoffice e.g. works way better this way ^^ | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | you need to turn off powersaving if you're using X over wifi | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise it's quite painfully slow | 00:28 |
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| mikki-kun | can that be done on the fly with a command? | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course. | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | Put the above in a script | 00:31 |
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| joga | somehow I haven't found a clear answer to this question...can pr 1.3 be installed over-the-air from app manager without reflashing and if so, how much space might it need on rootfs? | 00:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | over 9000 kilobytes | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I think it's over 60?M | 00:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure of the actual requirement | 00:32 |
| joga | hmm... | 00:32 |
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| joga | I have like 49 | 00:33 |
| joga | extra repos disabled | 00:33 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: you've been seeing too many "what does the scouter say about his power level?" x) | 00:33 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt :P getting there lol :P | 00:33 |
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| mikki-kun | and i meant the switching between powersaving and full power :) | 00:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://pastebin.ca/2006289 doesn't work for me, still osso-backup opens up on N900 screen | 00:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | dinno - works for me | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, might follow this example verbatim, but I don't think it will work | 00:39 |
| mikki-kun | hopefully my n900 will become fast and responsive again :) | 00:39 |
| mikki-kun | i kinda killed it the last months with not taking care what i install | 00:40 |
| mikki-kun | ahhhh, i see it already coming, mynokia and the nokia hands x) | 00:42 |
| wmarone | pr1.3 did wonders for responsiveness | 00:42 |
| mikki-kun | and it should have host-mode :) | 00:43 |
| mikki-kun | at least in a beta stage | 00:43 |
| mikki-kun | has anybody been able to mount some usb with that? | 00:43 |
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| mikki-kun | so much for responsiveness... i go into main menu and it freezes x) | 00:46 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ok me stumped why would i be getting this error with autobuilder, if i'm sure the file is there? /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../hcimages.qrc' | 00:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | double checked the spelling, no capitals, all fine,r eally confused | 00:47 |
| mikki-kun | is anybody going to buy the n9 if it get's released? | 00:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | mikki-kun, depends what it is like :P | 00:47 |
| mikki-kun | if it is not really much better hardware-wise than the n900 and maybe a little worse software wise than the n900? | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: do you mean slow like it takes minutes to open up any window on PC? | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | bno - just annoyinly poor interactively. | 00:50 |
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| joga | does pr 1.3 deliver its own kernel? do I need to uninstall power kernel if I have it? | 00:55 |
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| joga | well, guess google answered that one.. | 01:00 |
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| joga | 84.5MB eh... | 01:02 |
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| mikki-kun | reinstalling all my apps... "just" 850MB... | 01:03 |
| joga | if I just reflash it, and make a backup before that, will the settings in my ~/ be backupped? like .bashrc | 01:04 |
| joga | I guess I could just copy the bits I've spread around.. | 01:04 |
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| mikki-kun | i am going secure and have some manual backups of certain folders as well | 01:05 |
| joga | I've never restored from backup before, so does it remember the stuff installed from -testing etc too? | 01:05 |
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| mikki-kun | if you tell it so it remembers a whole bunch of settings tbh | 01:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Nov 30 00:10:07 IroN900 osso-backup 1.8.20[27628]: GLIB WARNING ** Gtk - cannot open display: 192.168.1.33:0 | 01:11 |
| mikki-kun | it remember pretty much everything i think | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 01:12 |
| joga | well, maybe it's too late to do the update now, need to wake up for work, but maybe tomorrow :) | 01:13 |
| mikki-kun | now that is just great -.- | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Yodocs you can open stuff from other computers on your host? | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: my PC Xserver doesn't listen to ort 6000 :-/ Hooray for conservatve config of this distro | 01:14 |
| mikki-kun | OpenSSH server seems to need access to some stuff at /home/user and mounts it, hence unmouting it from my netbook while i back up everything... | 01:14 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: which distro is it? | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | OpenSuse | 01:15 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... i used that once | 01:16 |
| mikki-kun | killed my xserver with that when i was a noob ^^ | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: fist the FW just discarded the inbound packets from n900 to port6000, so the osso-xterm cmd never finished | 01:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now that I opened the firewall, I realize I probably have to restart xserver to make it listen to port6000 - which isn't going to happen any time soon :-S | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:18 |
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| mikki-kun | can somebody tell me if https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com is still active? | 01:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I get a broken certificate, then a 404 | 01:32 |
| SpeedEvil | well - not a proper 404 | 01:32 |
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| alterego | I didn't even know that url existed, what does it normally host? | 01:35 |
| sivang | hi all | 01:40 |
| * sivang was really sick the last couple of days | 01:40 | |
| SpeedEvil | That's the firrmware download isn't it? | 01:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | sivang: :( Did you become a zombie? | 01:41 |
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| sivang | SpeedEvil: sort of, together with overnight flighs, and sleeping throughout the day until sinus pains went off | 01:43 |
| sivang | I kind of switched timezones, again | 01:43 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: is that about my link with the broken certificate + 404? | 01:44 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: anyway, I should try and get to sleep through reading my C++ book ;) | 01:44 |
| sivang | anyone tried to do everyday work with the netbook ux? | 01:45 |
| sivang | by any chance? | 01:45 |
| alterego | I think my TripModel for track logging and statistics generation is getting a bit big :D | 01:45 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: yes | 01:45 |
| alterego | Anyhow, bed time for me I think. | 01:45 |
| sivang | alterego: what does it track? | 01:45 |
| alterego | Your mom | 01:45 |
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| alterego | If you hide your N900 on her. | 01:45 |
| sivang | alterego: (sorry to jump on you like this) | 01:45 |
| sivang | alterego: hmm, a bit perverse don't you think? | 01:46 |
| alterego | It's a GPS app that offers similar functions to handheld GPS devices like Garmins' etc. | 01:46 |
| alterego | It also includes live data streaming via Bluetooth and Network. | 01:46 |
| sivang | streaming of location data? | 01:46 |
| sivang | like GPS devices in the car? | 01:46 |
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| alterego | Yeah | 01:47 |
| sivang | nice | 01:47 |
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| sivang | alterego: what maps are oyou sing? | 01:47 |
| alterego | I had it linked to my N810 and used it as a bluetooth GPS the other day ^.^ | 01:47 |
| sivang | are you using, even | 01:47 |
| alterego | No maps at the moment, | 01:47 |
| sivang | ah okay | 01:48 |
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| alterego | May implement it in V2 | 01:48 |
| sivang | well, you can use the maps in the reciving gps device | 01:48 |
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| alterego | I plan on selling the app, so maps are out of the question until I can find a source I'm allowed to use ^.^ | 01:48 |
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| sivang | alterego: talk to ovi :) | 01:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:49 |
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| alterego | Qt Mobility 1.2 has mapping included :/ | 01:49 |
| sivang | alterego: what does marble use? | 01:49 |
| alterego | The ability to render maps and such. | 01:49 |
| alterego | Dunno. | 01:49 |
| sivang | alterego: yes, you can use OVI or other data sources | 01:49 |
| sivang | alterego: through mobility | 01:49 |
| alterego | Anyhow, I need to sleep ^.^ | 01:49 |
| sivang | alterego: sorry! good night | 01:49 |
| alterego | g'night ;) | 01:49 |
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| sivang | g'night | 01:50 |
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| sivang | ;) | 01:50 |
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| mikki-kun | is there somewhere a list floating around with all the repositories? (also some internal ones, which _should_ work) | 02:47 |
| mikki-kun | cause i can't seem to access some basic ones, which have stuff like bzip or the gstreamer plugins... | 02:48 |
| mikki-kun | i've only found one in the wiki which has extras and such | 02:48 |
| lcuk | mikki-kun, all the maemo specific repositories are listed http://repository.maemo.org/ | 02:49 |
| lcuk | (thats a webpage) | 02:49 |
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| mikki-kun | i was looking for stuff like "Nokia Ovi" (it is a "repository") | 02:50 |
| mikki-kun | i am having huge problems aquiring the host, it just dies and complains "no route to host" :( | 02:51 |
| mikki-kun | webpage to the 3 repos i am having problems with starts with: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/ | 02:52 |
| mikki-kun | you should have that one as well | 02:53 |
| mikki-kun | Nokia Applications, Nokia System | 02:54 |
| mikki-kun | Software Updates | 02:54 |
| mikki-kun | sorry if that got seperated, but those are not resolving | 02:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: there's maemo, extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, and tools. The latter 3 get installed when you click that link on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | the first should be there by default on your HAM | 03:08 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | morning | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you're late today | 03:13 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer51: Are you going to dismiss me for being late? | 03:45 |
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| Dhraakellian | huzzah. finally set up a password so that I can try to defubar my package management from a real keyboard | 05:25 |
| Dhraakellian | I tried to install kdepim-mobile the other day | 05:27 |
| Dhraakellian | but that wants to install libclucene0ldbl, which conflicts with clucene-core | 05:27 |
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| * Dhraakellian finishes doing apt-get remove commands with packages pasted on after each failure | 05:40 | |
| * Dhraakellian figures there's got to be an easier way to do this | 05:41 | |
| * Dhraakellian doesn't know his way around apt quite so well, however | 05:41 | |
| pupnik | fixing up apt issues is frustrating | 05:42 |
| pupnik | i still don't know what to do half the time | 05:43 |
| Dhraakellian | I'm more a fan of zypper, personally | 05:43 |
| johnx | apt-cache depends $package | 05:43 |
| Dhraakellian | but, to be honest, I wouldn't really know how to fix something like this with that either | 05:43 |
| pupnik | in a pinch, i'll manually extract and install libraries and such | 05:43 |
| Dhraakellian | (although I'd hope zypper would figure it out on its own) | 05:43 |
| pupnik | dpkg -X foo.deb . | 05:43 |
| pupnik | what's zypper | 05:44 |
| Dhraakellian | openSUSE's cli package management tool | 05:44 |
| johnx | between apt-get, apt-cache and dpkg you're mostly covered | 05:44 |
| Dhraakellian | I think I remember reading that rpm-based/non-harmatten meego will use zypper | 05:44 |
| johnx | I do wish for a *definitive* tool that does everything those do. aptitude does pretty much all the important stuff AFAIK, though | 05:44 |
| Dhraakellian | yarr | 05:45 |
| Dhraakellian | and zypper would be nice for the n900 keypad, I think | 05:45 |
| Dhraakellian | no annoying hyphen | 05:45 |
| pupnik | definitely need to get involved in meego so there's some chance to fix badness before product release | 05:45 |
| johnx | aptitude in interactive mode is pretty brilliant for solving broken states | 05:45 |
| Dhraakellian | oh, hey, two other people in the conversation, not just one. Darn you, Konvi, and your color-choosing! | 05:46 |
| Dhraakellian | oh, greaaaat | 05:46 |
| Dhraakellian | it errored out on me | 05:46 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, well, you might have found the culprit then. if you pastebin the error messages, I can try and give you hints. no idea if I'll help or make it worse, but I've been hacking around in debian for ~10 years now | 05:47 |
| Dhraakellian | want the whole thing? | 05:48 |
| johnx | sure. but put it on a pastebin :) | 05:48 |
| Dhraakellian | oh, frack yes | 05:48 |
| johnx | just making sure :) | 05:49 |
| johnx | I've seen too many people with no clue what the word 'pastebin' means :) | 05:49 |
| Dhraakellian | I've been around IRC/freenode for the better part of a decade (but not quite a full one), so I've picked up a few things here and there | 05:51 |
| johnx | I've been around debian longer than I've been on IRC :) | 05:51 |
| Dhraakellian | http://pastebin.ca/2006484 | 05:53 |
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| Dhraakellian | I included all attempts that needed extra copy/paste package names | 05:53 |
| Dhraakellian | iirc. the clucene-core stuff is mainly for sword-based apps like rapier and katana | 05:54 |
| Dhraakellian | well, in terms of what I have installed, at least | 05:54 |
| pupnik | hah hah hah | 05:55 |
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| pupnik | k* | 05:55 |
| Dhraakellian | pupnik: cleaning up after a failed kdepim-mobile installation | 05:55 |
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| johnx | why not just remove both the libcluecene0ldbl and clucene-core? | 05:56 |
| johnx | that should remove packages that depend on them as well | 05:56 |
| Dhraakellian | hmm | 05:56 |
| johnx | then you can work on reinstalling stuff | 05:56 |
| Dhraakellian | that would make too much sense, I suppose | 05:57 |
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| johnx | (unless I'm wrong about it being recursive) | 05:57 |
| Dhraakellian | oy... and a colored PS1 would be nice too | 05:58 |
| johnx | install bash | 05:58 |
| Dhraakellian | okay, *now* clucene-core is uninstalling cleanly | 05:58 |
| Dhraakellian | :) | 05:58 |
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| Dhraakellian | well, not erroring out before I can say Y, at least | 05:59 |
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| johnx | so, the problem has to do with clucene-core and libclucene-whatever not being marked as conflicting | 05:59 |
| Dhraakellian | the trick now would be to get kdepim-mobile installed and still get katana installed along with it | 05:59 |
| johnx | what I would do is hit up apt-cache depends $pkg | 06:00 |
| johnx | for both of them, and see if they depend on those conflicting clucene things | 06:00 |
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| Dhraakellian | hmm... apt-cache show gives me a rather large Maemo-Icon-26 bit | 06:01 |
| Dhraakellian | rather annoying | 06:01 |
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| johnx | heh, and it's spanning multiple lines IIRC, so not a good way to grep it out | 06:03 |
| Dhraakellian | http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Kontact_Mobile/Maemo5&diff=prev&oldid=113041 | 06:04 |
| Dhraakellian | changed since the last time I checked that page | 06:04 |
| johnx | different repository? | 06:05 |
| Dhraakellian | once the repos were added, I think I ended up using fapman on that last attempt | 06:05 |
| Macer | hm | 06:05 |
| Macer | nitdroid has gotten better | 06:06 |
| Macer | pretty soon it might be something that you can use normally :) | 06:06 |
| Dhraakellian | Macer: when was the last time you checked? | 06:06 |
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| Macer | Dhraakellian: today | 06:06 |
| Macer | i just installed it | 06:06 |
| Dhraakellian | before that, though | 06:06 |
| Macer | i don't get a 3G connection tho with the modem | 06:06 |
| Macer | omg.. like 3 months ago :) | 06:06 |
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| Dhraakellian | okay, I first checked within the last month or so | 06:06 |
| Macer | i usually try it out every few months to see where it is | 06:06 |
| Dhraakellian | I don't have 3G internet at all | 06:07 |
| Dhraakellian | I'm too cheap | 06:07 |
| Macer | the modem works | 06:07 |
| Macer | for data at least | 06:07 |
| Macer | LOL | 06:07 |
| Dhraakellian | wifi works, though | 06:07 |
| Macer | well... i do and i couldn't get it working ;) | 06:07 |
| Macer | plus like.. a lot of the apps aren't on the market | 06:07 |
| Dhraakellian | and, while I'm not using 3G data, I still have T-Mobile instead of AT&T | 06:07 |
| Macer | well.. a lot of the important ones like connectbot | 06:07 |
| Dhraakellian | really cruddy coverage instead of just cruddy coverage | 06:07 |
| Macer | hah | 06:07 |
| Macer | i have tmob as well.. it isn't that good in chicago either | 06:07 |
| Macer | well.. it isn't that bad either. i would honestly say that it is better than att | 06:08 |
| Dhraakellian | then again, I get full bars in the local hackerspace | 06:08 |
| Macer | but right now i am using the bt tethering | 06:08 |
| johnx | options: 1) switch carriers 2) move to the seattle area | 06:08 |
| Dhraakellian | located in a basement | 06:08 |
| Macer | johnx: haha | 06:08 |
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| Dhraakellian | ...underneath a Sprint towers on either end of the building | 06:08 |
| johnx | I get 3.5G coverage at work, and am faster than our crappy 7Mb/s DSL some of the time | 06:08 |
| Macer | johnx: i think they're all pretty much the same here.. except for some reason sprint seems better | 06:08 |
| Macer | johnx: i have a 3.5G connection as well.. but i think they throttle or something | 06:09 |
| johnx | AT&T is crap around here. and my wife's sprint phone doesn't work in our apartment | 06:09 |
| Macer | downloading large files while tethered seems to make the connection die | 06:09 |
| Jay_BEE | hiyas | 06:09 |
| Dhraakellian | dangit, I want to get kdepim-mobile installed so that I can disable -devel and finally run updates | 06:09 |
| johnx | Downloading Ubuntu ISOs over my phone rather than through our DSL at work makes me laugh | 06:09 |
| Macer | but nitdroid looks so promising | 06:09 |
| Macer | i sure hope they find a way to get the rest of the hardware working :) | 06:10 |
| johnx | hall Jay_BEE | 06:10 |
| Macer | the cam and mic i think is all that is left and then add some APNs | 06:10 |
| Macer | and they're pretty much done | 06:10 |
| Dhraakellian | Macer: more or less promising than meego? | 06:10 |
| Macer | Dhraakellian: i haven't tried meego | 06:10 |
| Macer | but i think meego is on the same boat with the cam amongst other things | 06:10 |
| Dhraakellian | I've run nitdroid on a 2GB class 2 µSD | 06:10 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, what are the two packages you were trying to install at the same time? kdepim and katana? | 06:10 |
| Macer | and i am pretty sure the nitdroid packaging management is better :) | 06:10 |
| Dhraakellian | ...that was a faster experience than meego on an 8GB class 6 µSDHC | 06:11 |
| Macer | from what i've heard.. and i am not a dev.. but the pkg management was a nightmare for maemo | 06:11 |
| Jay_BEE | isn't nitdroid based on released software? | 06:11 |
| Macer | which i am sure meego has adapted | 06:11 |
| johnx | Macer, it didn't *need* to be, but yeah, setting up an SDK was a pain for a long time | 06:11 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: kdepim-mobile (umbrella package for kontact mobile) and katana | 06:11 |
| Macer | johnx: well. i couldn't tell you. i wasn't really a dev... but i've heard horror stories | 06:12 |
| Macer | and i am sure meego is following suit :) | 06:12 |
| * Dhraakellian wouldn't mind having an rpm-based phone | 06:12 | |
| johnx | Macer, you mean just as bad as maemo or learning from maemo's mistakes? | 06:12 |
| Dhraakellian | but then, I'm an openSUSE user who semi-resents *buntu's popularity, so take that opinion with however much salt you like | 06:13 |
| johnx | I haven't had the best experience with opensuse, but I think meego is supposed to be based roughly on fedora, so we can both love it or hate it without having to agree on opensuse vs ubuntu :) | 06:13 |
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| Dhraakellian | I think I've mostly forgiven Fedora for the grudge I held based on trying to upgrade KDE back in the FC1/FC2 days | 06:14 |
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| johnx | I guess I can finally forgive RedHat for RH8 (not fedora 8) | 06:15 |
| Dhraakellian | hehheh | 06:15 |
| johnx | but I was pissed at the time | 06:15 |
| Jay_BEE | RedHate! | 06:15 |
| Dhraakellian | I think I skipped RH8 | 06:15 |
| Dhraakellian | went straight from RH7.3 to RH9 | 06:15 |
| Jay_BEE | I went from RedHate to Slack10 | 06:16 |
| Dhraakellian | reinstalling kdepim-mobile | 06:16 |
| johnx | yeah, apparently it had some problem where it was pretty likely to corrupt the RPM Db, and that was never fixed in RH8, they just asked people to go to 9 | 06:16 |
| Dhraakellian | heh | 06:16 |
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| Dhraakellian | then I went from RH9 (Linux 2.4-based) on a 400MHz celeron with 128MB RAM and KDE 3.1.x to Gentoo (with Linux 2.6.7, iirc) on a 2.4GHz p4 with 512MB RAM and KDE 3.2 (which had received a metric buttload of optimization since 3.1.x) | 06:17 |
| Dhraakellian | still on that p4, albeit with 1.5GB RAM and openSUSE now | 06:18 |
| johnx | I was strictly Debian until Ubuntu 7 or 8 or so | 06:18 |
| Jay_BEE | for me it's Slack for life! | 06:19 |
| Macer | johnx: well. you can't reallly change a way of thinking i suppose heh | 06:20 |
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| Macer | ugh. i am trying to find a sweet spot for this phone | 06:20 |
| Macer | i think i might just take it and tie it up to a pole and put it in the iair.. but i think i w ould lose the bt signal | 06:20 |
| johnx | Macer, heh. my (first one I bought for myself) first computer was win95, which i kept for 6 months, then 6 months of RH5.1, then Debian, then Ubuntu | 06:21 |
| Macer | johnx: i actually tried slackware first | 06:21 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, trying for the testing release or the experimental one? (of kdepim) | 06:21 |
| Macer | my first one was running ms dos 5 i think | 06:22 |
| johnx | Macer, I tried it at some point. but I guess I was already indoctrinated into Debian by that point | 06:22 |
| Dhraakellian | I'm pretty sure it's the testing | 06:22 |
| Dhraakellian | I *was* sure, at least | 06:22 |
| Macer | heh | 06:22 |
| Dhraakellian | lemme check | 06:22 |
| johnx | I think I played with gentoo on a spare partition for a bit in 2002 | 06:22 |
| Macer | slackware was great for a while.. then they fell behind in the packaging | 06:22 |
| johnx | I got tired of compiling *&$% in like a week or two | 06:22 |
| Macer | debian was working on apt and rh was working on rpm | 06:22 |
| Dhraakellian | well, kde mail just started up | 06:22 |
| johnx | keen | 06:23 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: yeah, I used Gentoo for about 3 years in total | 06:23 |
| johnx | now you need to install katana I guess | 06:23 |
| Dhraakellian | had a little distro hopping in between | 06:23 |
| Macer | there it goes. found the sweet spot | 06:24 |
| Macer | :) | 06:24 |
| johnx | I'd probably still be on gentoo if there had been a sane repo of binary packages | 06:24 |
| Macer | it jumps between 80K/s and 200K/s heh | 06:24 |
| Dhraakellian | I still got some errors installing, but I decided to try running it first, before complaining too much | 06:24 |
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| Macer | gentoo wasn't too bad but i agree. their binary packaging system was lame | 06:24 |
| Macer | not to metion that breaking python pretty much broke emerge :) | 06:25 |
| Macer | although in hindsight.. at least you know that if it built it most likely would work | 06:25 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, some errors? hmm? | 06:25 |
| ieatlint | hah, i'm a big gentoo fan | 06:25 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: oh, right, I didn't post the paste | 06:26 |
| ieatlint | but i'll definitely agree that you can't go to gentoo expecting there to be a reliable source of binary packages (in every sense of the word reliable) | 06:26 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, ignoring errors is a good way to be in trouble later :) | 06:26 |
| johnx | ieatlint, what's funny is that on mac I use macports over fink :) | 06:27 |
| ieatlint | ports is awesome | 06:27 |
| johnx | (mainly be cause macports actually...works...but still) | 06:27 |
| Macer | awesome. insomnia x works for osx :) | 06:27 |
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| ieatlint | and the waiting on compile time is rarely an issue for me... computers got faster, etc | 06:28 |
| Macer | last time i tried the thing would crash snow leopard heh | 06:28 |
| Macer | it would just totally hang it | 06:28 |
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| johnx | ieatlint, It was the glibc or xorg recompiles that got to me, mostly | 06:29 |
| Dhraakellian | http://pastebin.ca/2006500 | 06:29 |
| johnx | basically, I never really used the optimizations and customizations. I'm a good sheep, but I demand instant gratification :) | 06:29 |
| ieatlint | yeah, glibc takes up to 15min, xorg maybe 2... but then, i don't generally upgrade them much | 06:29 |
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| johnx | I was actually working on a ports work-alike for debuntu for a while. I might start working on it again even | 06:30 |
| ieatlint | i like that i can take a tarballed automake configured packaged and insert it into gentoo's portage in under 30s | 06:31 |
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| ieatlint | which is a HUGE feature for me | 06:31 |
| ieatlint | ubuntu and making deb files is just a mess.. | 06:31 |
| johnx | the newest stuff for making debs isn't *bad* | 06:32 |
| johnx | but the docs and lack of a single unified tool are kinda painful | 06:32 |
| ieatlint | i'm unconvinced :P | 06:32 |
| johnx | it's just arcane :/ | 06:32 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: paste^^ | 06:32 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, reading it with half a brain :) | 06:32 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: that's about all I did | 06:33 |
| ieatlint | an ebuild is a single file, and you just need to put it in the right directory, name it the package name and version, and list dependencies on a single line ... that is all. | 06:33 |
| ieatlint | well, plus the single step of executing a single command to add it to the digest | 06:33 |
| Dhraakellian | ieatlint: in gentoo it's also downright simple to change compile settings compared to, say, Arch | 06:34 |
| johnx | I actually like OE's package system a lot. but I got tired of re-packaging stuff other people had already done | 06:34 |
| Dhraakellian | USE flags >> editing PKGBUILD files | 06:34 |
| ieatlint | yeah, gentoo has its issues, but i love it | 06:35 |
| Dhraakellian | OE? | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oh yeah, native gentoo for N900 | 06:35 |
| ieatlint | openembedded | 06:35 |
| ieatlint | bitbake, etc | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | *burrp* | 06:35 |
| Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer51: with or without distcc? | 06:35 |
| ieatlint | i was always meh on bitbake... seemed not much better than straight debs | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or even better, linux for hairdryers aka OE | 06:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with bitbake YUMMY | 06:36 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, looks like most of the problem is related to auto-optification of liblzma | 06:36 |
| johnx | I might try and apt-get --reinstall install liblzma1 | 06:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ieatlint: not much better?? I think it's the worst thing I ever seen | 06:37 |
| johnx | or maybe just go find its postinst script and whack it (/var/lib/dpkg/dpkg/info) | 06:37 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer51, eh... it centralizes a cross-compilation system | 06:37 |
| ieatlint | scratchbox and the maemo sdk do alright, but they're still proprietary to maemo | 06:38 |
| johnx | ieatlint, well, it produces ipk's, but the native bitbake recipes are very similar to ports/portage | 06:38 |
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| ieatlint | in conclusion all package systems suck :P | 06:39 |
| johnx | true | 06:39 |
| johnx | let's make our own! | 06:39 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: yeah! let's see if we can make one that sucks the most! | 06:39 |
| ieatlint | alright... let's make it as annoying and inane as possible | 06:39 |
| ieatlint | i suggest some sort of custom markup language and a haskell interpretor | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | johnx: already started. wanna join? | 06:40 |
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| johnx | every operation should have it's own differently named tool, and its own totally weird syntax | 06:40 |
| johnx | ieatlint, COBOL is the future | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | based on ebuild, but designed to take anonymous patches to packages and such | 06:40 |
| Dhraakellian | Optifying usr/share/doc/liblzma1 -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/liblzma1 | 06:41 |
| Dhraakellian | mv: cannot rename '/usr/share/doc/liblzma1': No such file or directory | 06:41 |
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| ieatlint | johnx, i can go with that... | 06:41 |
| Dhraakellian | hrm | 06:41 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, yeah, so the auto-optification bit you. maybe create the directory for it? | 06:41 |
| ieatlint | we could try and mix cobol and haskell somehow | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | also, it will share binaries based on input hashes | 06:41 |
| johnx | core in haskell, extension in COBOL! | 06:41 |
| Dhraakellian | so what do I need to whack at with what? | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | so if you leave everything at default, it'll be binary-based | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | but if you want, you can tweak a USE flag, and if nobody else has done that, it'll build it | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | (and then share the resulting binary with anyone else who does it in the future) | 06:42 |
| ieatlint | in a utopian society, that sounds awesome | 06:43 |
| johnx | luke-jr, yup. my basic problem with gentoo is that it didn't do it. how do you solve the problem of trustworthiness of users? | 06:43 |
| ieatlint | in the society i live in... i'll go ahead and add a trojan to the bin package and hand it out | 06:43 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, I would just mkdir the dir it's trying to optify | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | johnx: network of trust and/or compiling everything 3 times by different unrelated people before trusting them | 06:43 |
| ieatlint | hashes wouldn't be the same | 06:43 |
| johnx | luke-jr, the former yes. the latter: hugely vulnerable to attack | 06:43 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: hashes are of the input parameters | 06:43 |
| Dhraakellian | /usr/share/doc/liblzma1 or /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/liblzma1? | 06:43 |
| Dhraakellian | all that's in either dir is a README | 06:44 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: yeah, but what stops me from faking that? | 06:44 |
| johnx | probably /usr/share/doc/liblzma1 | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | johnx: depends on what coordinates the build verifications | 06:44 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, yeah, but the postinst script is failing, which is why the install is erroring out | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: see what johnx and I are discussing | 06:44 |
| ieatlint | you might have an easier time just putting together a small trusted array of buildhosts | 06:45 |
| Dhraakellian | contents of README: "Purged by docpurge" | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: that was option 1) network of trust | 06:45 |
| johnx | luke-jr, anyways, I just settled on a ports-like frontend to dpkg-buildpackage | 06:45 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, yeah, it's dumb. I didn't say it wasn't :) | 06:45 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: that is, it'll only use binaries from people you trust. or people they trust. and so on, configurable. | 06:45 |
| johnx | luke-jr, or only people in an official release group. and now you have debian :) | 06:46 |
| Dhraakellian | luke-jr: only use binaries from people Kevin Bacon trusts? | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | johnx: that'd just be a "trust Group X" ☺ | 06:46 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian++ | 06:46 |
| luke-jr | johnx: except that Debian lacks USE flags at all | 06:46 |
| Dhraakellian | all the trustworthy people should be within six degrees of him anyway | 06:47 |
| johnx | ieatlint, that needs to be the basis of our package mgmt trust system: 6 degrees of kevin bacon | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | Dhraakellian: who is Kevin Bacon | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | johnx: isn't that everyone? | 06:47 |
| ieatlint | johnx: i'm generally skeptical of decentralized authority for trust-based transactions | 06:47 |
| ieatlint | but that's my personal opinion... more power to you :) | 06:47 |
| johnx | ieatlint, I thought we were working on the pkg system that sucks the most :) | 06:47 |
| luke-jr | nah, working on pkg system for Utopios | 06:48 |
| ieatlint | oh, well, in that case... :P | 06:48 |
| Dhraakellian | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Degrees_of_Kevin_Bacon | 06:48 |
| ieatlint | fewer than 6 now i bet :P | 06:49 |
| ieatlint | internet has kinda increased the diversity and number of contacts | 06:49 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: at the considerable risk of speaking too soon, I think that does appear to have fixed it! | 06:50 |
| luke-jr | :p | 06:50 |
| johnx | Dhraakellian, good. now run your apt-get -f install again, while your luck is still working | 06:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | docpurge, another one of those lovely suckers | 06:50 |
| johnx | !lart docpurge and auto-optify | 06:50 |
| Dhraakellian | Setting up libkmbox4 (4:4.6~20101112.1196104-1maemo1.1194248) ... | 06:51 |
| Dhraakellian | ^^random line copied from the subsequent output | 06:51 |
| Dhraakellian | kbuildsycoca4 running! | 06:51 |
| johnx | ieatlint, just gave me an idea: encode checksums into version numbers | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | optification is broken by design, it was a hotfix that should have replaced by a sane partitioning plus cleanup of whole init system | 06:52 |
| ieatlint | like git? | 06:52 |
| johnx | ieatlint, more like credit cards | 06:52 |
| johnx | or more specifically, credit card numbers | 06:52 |
| ieatlint | luhn algorithm.. | 06:52 |
| johnx | so you basically just *can't* represent certain version numbers :> | 06:52 |
| ieatlint | i oddly know all about it from a project :P | 06:52 |
| johnx | ecommerce website? | 06:53 |
| ieatlint | nah, wrote software to decode magnetic stripes | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | johnx: ieatlint's N900 can steal your credit card numbers | 06:54 |
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| ieatlint | :P | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | his app also told me my full address :o | 06:54 |
| johnx | gah | 06:54 |
| johnx | fun times | 06:54 |
| ieatlint | yeah, i have a new version already in extas-devel, but haven't fixed the DL# issue... will get it done tonight or tomorrow | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: how about logging everything I scan? | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | and displaying raw data even if it is parsable? | 06:55 |
| ieatlint | on a feature todo list | 06:55 |
| ieatlint | err, dunno about the logging part actually | 06:55 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 06:55 |
| ieatlint | i'm hesitant to actually include functionality that can be used to skim credit cards :P | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | :P | 06:56 |
| luke-jr | you mean it doesn't SMS you everything I scan? | 06:57 |
| Macer | haha | 06:57 |
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| ieatlint | hehe | 06:57 |
| ieatlint | it's opensource, go find out ;) | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | so you say | 06:57 |
| luke-jr | how do I know the binary is the same source⁇ | 06:58 |
| ieatlint | :P | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint just realized he could probably get away with it :/ | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: /j #anime | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | ieatlint: to play Yandere | 06:59 |
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| ieatlint | this is how: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/magread/0.1.3/ | 06:59 |
| wmarone | ... this is the last place I'd expect to see that phrase | 06:59 |
| ieatlint | download the source from there, and it's exactly what the buildserver built | 06:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the high art is to include a malware code into a png or bmp or similar, without destroying the original picture, and then include a 'bug' into the original program, like a missing or one too much *, to actually call that code | 06:59 |
| Dhraakellian | quick question: how can I reset the sorting in the app list? | 06:59 |
| luke-jr | wmarone: ? | 06:59 |
| wmarone | "yandere" | 06:59 |
| johnx | ieatlint, as long as you haven't compromised the build server :) | 06:59 |
| Dhraakellian | undo all the manual sorting I did so that everything's alphabetical again | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | wmarone: you can join and play too! | 07:00 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: yeah, and those are just crazy as all hell | 07:00 |
| ieatlint | but i'm sure we've both seen the demos | 07:00 |
| wmarone | no thanks, not a fan of the crazy | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | wmarone: cmon, it's fun | 07:00 |
| wmarone | crazy, potentially murderious... | 07:00 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr: i'm going to sleep soon i think.. thanks though | 07:00 |
| wmarone | -i | 07:00 |
| luke-jr | wmarone: aka mafia | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""Hell! I changed the welcome screen background of this app and since then it segfaults! What the heck is going on??"" | 07:01 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 07:01 |
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| myu | anyone here use mobile hotspot? | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | on the rare occasion I 1) need it, and 2) it works | 07:04 |
| myu | its just plain not wotking for me | 07:04 |
| myu | "failed to start" when I hit the button | 07:04 |
| luke-jr | did you install its kernel? | 07:05 |
| ds3 | same problem here | 07:05 |
| myu | uhh I thought it installed itself | 07:05 |
| myu | I dont recall being prompted | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | nah | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | it's stupid | 07:05 |
| myu | I will reinstall | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | gotta install it manually | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | I think it's called maemo-kernel or smth | 07:05 |
| ds3 | isn't it power users kernel? | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | no | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 07:06 |
| ds3 | Oh? | 07:06 |
| myu | so its in the same repository? | 07:06 |
| myu | oh its power users? | 07:06 |
| luke-jr | no | 07:06 |
| myu | its not multiboot-kernel-maemo? | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | no | 07:08 |
| ds3 | btw, anyone know if the driver for the N800/770 can support AP mode? | 07:09 |
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| johnx | ds3, pretty sure it can't | 07:09 |
| johnx | at least not with the driver nokia shipped | 07:10 |
| Macer | luke-jr: mobilehotspot installs it | 07:10 |
| Macer | when you install mobilehotspot... and it still doesnt work :) | 07:10 |
| Macer | i just resorted to bt dun | 07:10 |
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| Macer | it worked finr in 1.2 | 07:11 |
| Macer | so i am sure it is just another typical maemo regression :) | 07:11 |
| myu | according to this website it is the kernel for power users | 07:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if it's not you having installed multiboot then yes | 07:12 |
| ds3 | johnx: what about the so called opened driver? | 07:12 |
| johnx | ds3, no idea. I don't really hack on the N800 anymore, and I never had a 770 | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | neopwn? | 07:12 |
| ds3 | johnx: trying to reuse the older devices | 07:13 |
| johnx | I think I'm gonna use mine as a kitchen sound system | 07:13 |
| johnx | plug some nice little speakers into it and leave it at that | 07:13 |
| Macer | johnx: an n810 with carman is good for the car | 07:13 |
| ds3 | trying to find a little mobile access point | 07:13 |
| Macer | although ovi maps sucks | 07:13 |
| johnx | oh. BTW the nook color was rooted :D | 07:14 |
| Macer | but at least you can get a window mount and bt obd2 and go to town :) | 07:14 |
| johnx | depending on how that goes, I think I might need to buy one :> | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it doesnt | 07:14 |
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| ds3 | is the color nook eink or lcd? | 07:14 |
| johnx | it's a nice little color touchscreen LCD with an OMAP3620 | 07:15 |
| johnx | for ~$250 | 07:15 |
| Macer | luke-jr: yes it does. :) i was trying to get it going for a while. the mobilehotspot pkg installs the kernel and its modules | 07:15 |
| Macer | if you simply pick mobilehotspot with apt-get you can see them installing | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it doesnt | 07:15 |
| Macer | The following NEW packages will be installed: kernel-maemo kernel-modules-maemo mobilehotspot | 07:16 |
| Macer | uhm | 07:17 |
| Macer | ok | 07:17 |
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| Macer | how much are n810s going for nowadays? | 07:18 |
| ds3 | much rather find a rooted eink toy | 07:18 |
| Macer | at least carman tells you your check engine codes heh | 07:19 |
| johnx | I'm mainly interested because the nook color seems pretty competitive in the 7" tablet space and should be pretty meego-compatible out of the gate | 07:19 |
| Macer | is there even carman for maemo5? i havent looked | 07:19 |
| Macer | i will believe in meego when it doesnt end up like mer | 07:20 |
| Dhraakellian | wait... what? nitdroid .8 was released? | 07:20 |
| Dhraakellian | how'd I miss this? | 07:20 |
| Dhraakellian | or, wait... | 07:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: no | 07:20 |
| Dhraakellian | am I misreading something | 07:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: but it's just serial, and you can use miniterm or whatever | 07:20 |
| Dhraakellian | oh poo. it was just a spam revert | 07:21 |
| Dhraakellian | no actual new release | 07:21 |
| Macer | wtf | 07:21 |
| Dhraakellian | nevermind me | 07:21 |
| Macer | how are n810s going for $560 on amazon? | 07:21 |
| pupnik | are you sure they're "going"? | 07:22 |
| ds3 | johnx: there are cheaper tablets w/7" screens available though... alas, they are ARM11's | 07:22 |
| johnx | exactly | 07:23 |
| Macer | haha | 07:23 |
| Macer | pupnik: doubt it | 07:23 |
| Macer | n810 is $80 | 07:23 |
| pupnik | i'd pay for an omap3 tablet that can run maemo/mer/meego | 07:23 |
| Macer | maybe the gps? | 07:23 |
| pupnik | $80??? steal | 07:24 |
| Macer | 440 somewhere else for an n810 | 07:24 |
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| Macer | why are they so high? | 07:24 |
| Macer | did someone find out how to activate the death ray? or find out it was crucial to modding a ps3? | 07:25 |
| Macer | weird. i would figure they'd be going for $100 or something.. maybe 200 | 07:25 |
| pupnik | Seriously - what about finally getting maemo5 on another omap3 device | 07:25 |
| Macer | wont happen | 07:25 |
| Macer | it is barely on the n900 ;) | 07:26 |
| pupnik | http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_36_66&products_id=430 | 07:26 |
| pupnik | $199 cortex a8 7" tablet | 07:26 |
| Macer | n900... $349 | 07:26 |
| Macer | wow hahahaha | 07:26 |
| Macer | n810... $560 | 07:27 |
| Dhraakellian | Macer: that's only about $6 less than I payed for mine off ebay this summer | 07:27 |
| Macer | figure that one out | 07:27 |
| Dhraakellian | the n900 | 07:27 |
| wmarone | pupnik: feel free to try it out and let everyone else know how well it works :) | 07:27 |
| pupnik | oh man replaceable battery | 07:27 |
| johnx | pupnik, think I'd pay $50 more for better build quality | 07:27 |
| pupnik | this looks really nice | 07:27 |
| Macer | pupnik: don't buy a touchbook | 07:27 |
| pupnik | ok | 07:27 |
| johnx | also: why would anyone waste time trying to drag maemo 5 to another device? | 07:27 |
| Macer | that was my lesson on jumping the gun | 07:28 |
| wmarone | pupnik: bonus points if you can find the kernel sources | 07:28 |
| Macer | what a piece of made in china shit | 07:28 |
| johnx | Macer, mine was the pandora :) | 07:28 |
| myu | ts a special macer | 07:28 |
| Macer | johnx: did they ever release those? | 07:28 |
| myu | I bought mine for 349 | 07:28 |
| johnx | Macer, had mine for a while :) | 07:28 |
| myu | its up to 400+ and its only been a week | 07:28 |
| myu | on amazon | 07:28 |
| Macer | how is it? | 07:28 |
| Macer | as open as they say? | 07:28 |
| ds3 | Macer: what else is wrong with the touchbook? | 07:28 |
| Macer | ds3: get one and find out :) | 07:29 |
| johnx | Macer, it's pretty nice for homemade hardware . mine has wifi issues, but it's a really early one and I'm planning to send it back once they've caught up to the first batch | 07:29 |
| ds3 | Macer: I rather build my own :P | 07:29 |
| pupnik | myu what did you buy? | 07:30 |
| Macer | it was fail | 07:31 |
| ds3 | Macer: no specific comments? | 07:31 |
| Macer | utter... fail :) | 07:31 |
| Macer | not really. went through all my ranting before | 07:31 |
| myu | ok I got it to work | 07:31 |
| myu | thanks a lot guys | 07:32 |
| Macer | it is worthless tho... dont get one | 07:32 |
| Macer | you will regret | 07:32 |
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| ds3 | it can't be worse then the low end android tablets floating around | 07:33 |
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| Macer | oh | 07:35 |
| Macer | yup.. i think it would be :) | 07:35 |
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| ds3 | elaborate? | 07:36 |
| ds3 | I cannot imagine how that is possible | 07:36 |
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| pupnik | oh man, 3000 mAh replaceable battery | 07:37 |
| pupnik | nice | 07:37 |
| ds3 | better then the N900 :P | 07:37 |
| johnx | ds3, as I understand, when used as a laptop it tends to fall over | 07:37 |
| ds3 | johnx: Ohhhh... the old TC1000's have that problem too | 07:37 |
| pupnik | anybody in germany want to hack on one of these | 07:38 |
| myu | ah also got netstory to work :D | 07:41 |
| myu | I guess it just doesnt do wifi | 07:41 |
| johnx | ds3, that's just the tip of it. they were apparently just pretty poorly constructed and never really had great software support | 07:42 |
| pupnik | looks like some of these tablets have one dude writing drivers ;) | 07:43 |
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| ds3 | johnx: I'd guess that's the story with some of those ARM9 based noname android tablets | 07:47 |
| pupnik | what's wrong with wanting a 7" arm device for maemo/meego | 07:47 |
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| johnx | pupnik, nothing. just that I'm gonna be pretty $%*&ing picky about the hardware this time :) | 07:48 |
| johnx | bonus points for hardware I can get hands-on time with before buying | 07:49 |
| pupnik | burned on the smartbook? | 07:50 |
| pupnik | last chinese cheapo android tablet i saw was depressingly bad | 07:50 |
| ds3 | smartbook? | 07:50 |
| ds3 | isn't that the brand used in europe for the cheap tablet sold in the US under a different name? | 07:50 |
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| ShadowJK | isn't smartbook the fancy one by alwaysinnovating | 07:51 |
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| johnx | pupnik, not personally. I'm just done with being burned by hardware not meeting my expectations :) | 07:51 |
| ShadowJK | compared to cheap chinese ones which are basically N800 hardware with big screen | 07:51 |
| ShadowJK | 128M ram and some slow ARMv5 or ARMv6 :) | 07:52 |
| wmarone | they're just cranking them out to ride the wave by suckering in the unsuspecting | 07:52 |
| ds3 | ShadowJK: aren't there some that are basically ARMv4's? | 07:52 |
| wmarone | it's like the deluge of cheap GSM phones in china | 07:52 |
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| wmarone | sure they've got a billion functions, but none have decent build quality, software, or any data service better than GPRS :) | 07:53 |
| johnx | most are up to high clockspeed ARM11's and the best are Cortex A8's now | 07:53 |
| pupnik | i just want a 'photo frame' for the bedside that also displays web and movies | 07:54 |
| pupnik | but then if i buy that, it should also be 100% hackable | 07:54 |
| johnx | but, since I care about build quality, decent hardware and something easily meego compatible the choices are slim | 07:54 |
| ShadowJK | I've never seen cortex a8 from a "cheap chinese" manuf :) | 07:54 |
| johnx | hence why the b&n nook color seems interesting :) | 07:54 |
| johnx | ShadowJK, define cheap | 07:54 |
| pupnik | http://www.tabletstoreuk.com/cortex-androidwince-tablet-witstech-a81e-p-37.html?language=de | 07:54 |
| pupnik | http://www.tabletstoreuk.com/cortex-androidwince-tablet-witstech-a81e-p-37.html?language=en | 07:55 |
| pupnik | sorry | 07:55 |
| wmarone | so it's an enormous N900 ;) | 07:55 |
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| ShadowJK | :) | 07:56 |
| slonopotamus | hmm... my gentoo server has 50 processes running, gentoo desktop box has 110, n900 has 160, ubuntu desktop has 220 | 07:56 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, ubuntu wins again! woo! | 07:56 |
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| ds3 | pupnik: know which a8 it is it? | 07:57 |
| slonopotamus | johnx: it just uselessly eats ram :/ | 07:57 |
| Macer | haha | 07:57 |
| Macer | i should swap back into nitdroid but it kind of sucks with it being edge only | 07:57 |
| Macer | and no apps... like connectbot | 07:57 |
| Macer | connectbot is nice to have | 07:58 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, you sound bitter that ubuntu has more processes. maybe if you're nice it'll share some with gentoo | 07:58 |
| slonopotamus | johnx: that's what they call "bloated" | 07:58 |
| wmarone | Macer: nitdroid is edge only? | 07:58 |
| johnx | slonopotamus, you misspelled "awesome" | 07:58 |
| Macer | wmarone: well. i cant seem to get 3G going | 07:59 |
| Macer | for some reason it stays E | 07:59 |
| Macer | i got the tmob usa apn set up so i dont know what i am missing | 07:59 |
| wmarone | weird, I thought that'd be automatic | 07:59 |
| Dhraakellian | hmm | 07:59 |
| Dhraakellian | so, clucene-core won't install when I try to reinstall katana | 07:59 |
| Macer | me too | 07:59 |
| Macer | maybe i am missing something | 08:00 |
| Dhraakellian | ...but fapman went ahead and installed katana, even though one of its deps failed | 08:00 |
| Dhraakellian | this to me seems a tad bonkers | 08:00 |
| Dhraakellian | however, katana works | 08:00 |
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| johnx | Dhraakellian, hmmm, well, katana installed. the problem is that the clucene-core and libclucene-whatever packages aren't marked conflicting but both provide the same file | 08:00 |
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| pupnik | d3 omap3530 | 08:01 |
| Dhraakellian | johnx: yeah | 08:01 |
| johnx | this will *work* but your package manager will not be happy in the long run. your choice on whether to live with it or not | 08:01 |
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| Dhraakellian | if they provide the same file(s), I wonder if it'd be possible (or even desirable) to fool apt into thinking they're both there | 08:02 |
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| johnx | sure | 08:03 |
| johnx | two options: modify libclucene to say "provides: clucene-core" or make a dummy package of clucene-core that depends on libclucene and has no files | 08:03 |
| johnx | or just get the kdepim guys or the katana guys to choose one thing to depend on | 08:04 |
| Macer | hm... let me go back into android.. but no connectbot makes this somewhat impossible to be useful | 08:04 |
| Macer | i guess the forums say that even tho it says edge it is 3G | 08:04 |
| johnx | err, the equiv package should help here if you have debuntu on a desktop | 08:06 |
| Dhraakellian | http://pastebin.ca/2006537 | 08:06 |
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| johnx | would you run apt-cache policy on both as well? | 08:07 |
| johnx | are the really both from the maemo.org extras repos? | 08:07 |
| pupnik | johnx: so there's still no 'big n900' eh | 08:08 |
| Dhraakellian | http://pastebin.ca/2006538 | 08:08 |
| johnx | pupnik, no, but once there's a reliable root on the nook color I might just buy one. probably early next year | 08:08 |
| Dhraakellian | files.kolab.org | 08:08 |
| Dhraakellian | I'm not terribly surprised | 08:09 |
| johnx | heh. yeah | 08:09 |
| johnx | they screwed up | 08:09 |
| Dhraakellian | yarr | 08:09 |
| Dhraakellian | should submit a bug report | 08:09 |
| johnx | yes. to the kdepim guys | 08:09 |
| Dhraakellian | need to remember to do that on the morrow | 08:09 |
| johnx | I wonder if we didn't used to have clucene in extras | 08:09 |
| johnx | that would explain it | 08:09 |
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| n900-space | hey all | 09:12 |
| myu | hi | 09:12 |
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| n900-space | hi again | 09:18 |
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| n900-space | i want to change that thing in microb through which the websites dont see microb as a mobile browser | 09:20 |
| n900-space | what is that called | 09:20 |
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| n900-space | and how do i change that? | 09:21 |
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| n900-space | browser client variable or something | 09:21 |
| myu | is it in about:config? | 09:21 |
| myu | mine doesnt even do that | 09:22 |
| n900-space | no i want to chang it | 09:22 |
| n900-space | like from whatever the default is | 09:22 |
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| kerio | user agent string | 09:22 |
| n900-space | oh yea that kerio | 09:22 |
| kerio | general.useragent.override | 09:22 |
| kerio | change that | 09:23 |
| n900-space | in microb? | 09:23 |
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| n900-space | and where should i change it? | 09:23 |
| n900-space | some file? | 09:23 |
| myu | you didnt check about:config? | 09:23 |
| myu | just type that into microb | 09:23 |
| n900-space | ok wait | 09:24 |
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| myu | and type in actually I dont see it in here | 09:24 |
| myu | where is it kiero? | 09:24 |
| myu | sorry I remember general.useragent. being there | 09:25 |
| myu | but I dont see an override | 09:25 |
| kerio | add it | 09:25 |
| kerio | or change that | 09:26 |
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| n900-space | there is a | 09:26 |
| n900-space | general.useragent.vendor | 09:27 |
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| n900-space | which has the value | 09:28 |
| n900-space | Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900 | 09:28 |
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| n900-space | what should i change the to? | 09:28 |
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| Macer | hells yeah | 09:29 |
| n900-space | what? | 09:30 |
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| Macer | got connectbot going on my n900 nitdroid | 09:30 |
| Macer | i cant figure out what ctrl is tho since i have no trackball lol | 09:30 |
| n900-space | heh | 09:31 |
| n900-space | tell me the user agent string guys | 09:32 |
| Macer | uhm | 09:33 |
| Macer | ok wtf :) | 09:33 |
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| Macer | ok.. guess you cant use ctrl when using connectbot on a phone with no trackball? :) | 09:34 |
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| myu | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=119452&postcount=1 | 09:35 |
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| myu | click on that space | 09:35 |
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| Macer | ooooh | 09:35 |
| myu | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16282 | 09:36 |
| Macer | there is a ctrl that pops up on screen | 09:36 |
| myu | follow the tinyurls in there | 09:36 |
| Macer | awesome | 09:36 |
| myu | one of them ought to have instructions | 09:36 |
| Macer | for mapping? | 09:36 |
| Macer | it would be nice to map ctrl | 09:36 |
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| n900-space | just installed a hideuseragent apps from the repos | 09:37 |
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| Macer | oh. you were talking about the user agent | 09:38 |
| Macer | wow... guess the oskb works too | 09:39 |
| n900-space | yea | 09:40 |
| Macer | i thought it was a link to get the ctrl key mapped for connectbot in nitdroid lol | 09:42 |
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| n900-space | cool | 09:51 |
| n900-space | hideuseragent works | 09:51 |
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| myu | hey when you guys use irssi on the n900 | 09:59 |
| myu | what acts as the alt button? | 09:59 |
| n900-space | http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php | 10:00 |
| marmoute | myu: what would you use the alt for ? | 10:01 |
| myu | to change windows right? | 10:01 |
| myu | alt +1 | 10:01 |
| myu | ect | 10:01 |
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| zgoldberg | Does anybody know where the hildon-desktop widget config is stored? my email widget has suddenly gone missing and i cant add it back | 10:07 |
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| myu | ok so its ctrl+n ctrl+p and you have to bing the numbers | 10:08 |
| lolloo | emai widget is there, but look for it | 10:08 |
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| mece | this actually looks kinda interesting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66371 | 10:13 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Ping! Can you please help me out with this one: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pidgin_2.7.7-0nix0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt I have no idea why it keeps failing ... | 10:31 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: It started happening a couple of versions back (2.7.5-2nix3), so I gave up. But there are some important MSN fixes that require a newer version of pidgin. | 10:34 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: It seems that the build system was changed fairly substantially from 2.7.5-2nix2 to 2.7.5-2nix3, because the output of the 2.7.5-2nix2 armel OK file is very different (at the top of the file) from the 2.7.5-2nix3 FAILED file ... | 10:35 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:41 |
| _|Nix|_ | Morns ... | 10:41 |
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| lolloo | morning | 10:41 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Hmmm ... did anything change in the fremantle build process? My pidgin build fails seemingly without error ... https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pidgin_2.7.7-0nix0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt I don't get it ... | 10:42 |
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| myu | does ctrl+backspace really start the taskman? | 10:46 |
| _|Nix|_ | myu: Yup ... | 10:47 |
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| Venemo | hi | 10:56 |
| _|Nix|_ | Hi! | 10:56 |
| Venemo | alterego: ping | 10:56 |
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| Venemo | hey _|Nix|_ | 10:57 |
| Venemo | aren't you the author of Pidgin for Maemo? | 10:57 |
| _|Nix|_ | I am ... I wish I could build it ... | 10:57 |
| _|Nix|_ | I dunno what's going on with it ... | 10:57 |
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| _|Nix|_ | I'm trying to build another package I have, see if that passess ... | 10:57 |
| Venemo | yeah, I saw the TMO thread | 10:58 |
| _|Nix|_ | Yeah ... that one works ... | 10:58 |
| Venemo | you really need to poke X-Fade about it | 10:58 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, the addressbook db is just a hash table? | 10:58 |
| Venemo | I'm wondering, did you successfully solve the Hildon-Extras dependency issue you talked about on the mailing list? | 10:58 |
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| _|Nix|_ | Venemo: I noticed that libhildon was using AS_VERSION() to set up the library version. However, for some reason I dunno where to get that macro from. | 11:00 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo: libhildon-extras is always .so.0.0.0, but libhildon is not. | 11:00 |
| _|Nix|_ | It actually has some versioning ... | 11:00 |
| Venemo | _|Nix|_: did my e-mail help you solve it? | 11:00 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo: I suspect that's how debhelper knows what ersion of the package to grab ... | 11:01 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo: BBIAB ... | 11:01 |
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| Venemo | _|Nix|_: you need to add libhildon-extras1 (>=x.y.z) to your Depends section in the control file | 11:01 |
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| MohammadAG | Wooo | 11:07 |
| MohammadAG | successfully flashed my N900 from another N900 | 11:08 |
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| MohammadAG | had to use a hub so it enumerates in flashing mode | 11:08 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: LoL, congrats! :P | 11:09 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG, what did you do, use Flasher in qemu usermode? | 11:09 |
| power | hi, i'm having a wierd issue with imap4s my account. it fetchs the mails correctly, but when i click one to view, it slides to right (mail view screen i suppose) then before viewing the mail, it slides back to list view. | 11:09 |
| mece | I filled that gaping hole in the repositories that have been bothering us all: http://maemo.org/packages/view/sl/ | 11:09 |
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| mece | MohammadAG, that is pretty sweet :D | 11:11 |
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| Venemo | mece: so why is it a problem if I type 'sl'? | 11:13 |
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| mece | Venemo, it's not a problem | 11:14 |
| Venemo | mece: then why does it need correcting? | 11:14 |
| mece | Venemo, it's a joke | 11:14 |
| Venemo | mece: lol. | 11:16 |
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| mece | Venemo, try it. | 11:16 |
| myu | hey how can I configure it so that | 11:16 |
| myu | when I click a shortcut twice, multiple instances appear | 11:17 |
| merlincorey | I like sl -l | 11:17 |
| Venemo | mece: I will :P | 11:17 |
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| mece | merlincorey, haha I didn't notice that :D | 11:18 |
| merlincorey | mece: you added it to the repo and you've never read the manpage? | 11:18 |
| * merlincorey pulls out his cane and walker | 11:18 | |
| merlincorey | RTFM sonny! and get off my lawn! | 11:18 |
| merlincorey | nice addition :) | 11:18 |
| merlincorey | an old favorite of mine | 11:19 |
| mece | merlincorey, well i browsed them, but I didn't notice they were different | 11:19 |
| merlincorey | fair enough | 11:19 |
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| merlincorey | I have done them all :P | 11:19 |
| merlincorey | by accident in fact | 11:19 |
| mece | merlincorey, hehe | 11:19 |
| merlincorey | and on purpose | 11:19 |
| merlincorey | :P | 11:19 |
| mece | merlincorey, so in short, the N900 is now a much better device | 11:19 |
| merlincorey | agreed, strongly | 11:20 |
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| chem|st | mece: you didn't... you actualy did... ;) tuutuuut | 11:38 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 11:53 |
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| pupnik | so the big n900 is still the joggler | 11:54 |
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| Macer | hah! | 11:56 |
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| Termana | moorning RST38h | 11:59 |
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| lolloo | http://twitter.com/android__news/statuses/9544198223036416 | 12:00 |
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| Venemo | RST38h: moo to you too :P | 12:08 |
| Corsac | moo2u2 | 12:08 |
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| mece | chem|st: :D | 12:10 |
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| Venemo | if I read 1 byte with fread from a file and put it into a 32-bit integer, will it put the read data to the end or the beginning of the integer? | 12:21 |
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| tackat | sivang: ping | 12:22 |
| tackat | sivang: you had a question regarding Marble? :) | 12:22 |
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| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Hi | 12:25 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: This usually happens when your debian/control is broken. | 12:25 |
| sivang | tackat: hi :) | 12:26 |
| tackat | sivang: ho | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Check for Windows[tm] linefeeds or multiple linefeeds etc.. | 12:26 |
| sivang | tackat: someone told me he saw a demonistration of marble using OVI maps and data as the backend | 12:26 |
| tackat | yes | 12:26 |
| sivang | tackat: I was wondering how that's done, through mobility perhaps? | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | Lunc now. | 12:26 |
| X-Fade | *lunch even. | 12:26 |
| tackat | sivang: technically we do that through Marble's own framework | 12:26 |
| tackat | sivang: actually that feature is an "accidental" feature | 12:27 |
| tackat | sivang: we have a pretty generic way to handle the data | 12:27 |
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| tackat | sivang: as part of Marble 0.10.0 (part of KDE 4.5) | 12:28 |
| tackat | sivang: and I only found out after the release that technically it just requires to edit an XML file in Marble to load Ovimaps. | 12:29 |
| sivang | tackat: oh right, I recall now, I think we discussed this at Dublin | 12:29 |
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| sivang | tackat: you have the snippet somewhere? | 12:29 |
| tackat | sivang: ah - did we? | 12:29 |
| tackat | sivang: what's your realname? | 12:29 |
| sivang | tackat: sivan | 12:30 |
| sivang | tackat: marble's framework is kdelibes dependent ? | 12:31 |
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| tackat | sivang: no | 12:31 |
| tackat | sivang: it's pure Qt 4.x | 12:31 |
| tackat | sivang: no KDE libraries or other libraries involved | 12:31 |
| tackat | sivang: that was a design decision to make it easily portable :) | 12:32 |
| sivang | tackat: nice, is it in meego repos already? :) | 12:32 |
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| tackat | sivang: no, see the discussion section here: | 12:33 |
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| tackat | sivang: http://nienhueser.de/blog/?p=236 | 12:34 |
| tackat | sivang: so there are packages but it's not in the repos | 12:34 |
| tackat | sivang: and this is how ovimaps looks like in Marble with experimental OpenGL support: http://blip.tv/file/4354030 | 12:35 |
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| tackat | sivang: unfortunately we can't ship the ovimaps stuff due to the restrictive OviMaps Terms and Conditions. | 12:36 |
| sivang | tackat: yes, noted | 12:37 |
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| sivang | tackat: nice, opengl is not mandatory for ovimaps to work right? | 12:38 |
| sivang | e.g. unrelated | 12:38 |
| tackat | yes unrelated | 12:38 |
| sivang | tackat: I like the globe affect | 12:38 |
| sivang | *effect | 12:38 |
| sivang | and the topology | 12:38 |
| tackat | sivang: the openGL feature is planned for Marble 1.2 release in summer 2011 | 12:39 |
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| sivang | tackat: where does the data for topology rendering comes from? the map provider as well? | 12:39 |
| sivang | e.g. heights of points on the plane ? | 12:39 |
| tackat | sivang: well Bernhard did a quick and dirty temporary solution for that | 12:39 |
| tackat | sivang: in Marble we have the "Atlas" map | 12:40 |
| tackat | sivang: which uses height relief data | 12:40 |
| tackat | and that one gets reused for the OpenGL mode | 12:40 |
| tackat | It's pretty coarse since the original intent for that data was just to render a classroom style topographic map. | 12:41 |
| sivang | heh, the result is quite nice, though | 12:41 |
| tackat | but bernhard just reused that and it works pretty well | 12:41 |
| tackat | sivang: we'll basically use the same technical approach for the release -- just using higher resolution data | 12:42 |
| sivang | tackat: the globe view is using he same data? | 12:42 |
| tackat | ? | 12:42 |
| BCMM | how does maemo start pulseaudio? i may be an upstart newbie, but i can't find the script responsible | 12:42 |
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| sivang | tackat: nm, mis-phrase | 12:43 |
| tackat | sivang: if you start Marble and take the default map - which is "Atlas" then you see a green/blue topographic class room style map | 12:43 |
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| tackat | sivang: that "Atlas" data is reused for the height profile in the OpenGL mode. See this very very old blog entry for the details of the Atlas map: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3272 | 12:45 |
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| sivang | tackat: I'll give it a read, Thanks. | 12:46 |
| sivang | tackat: I'm curious how the "globe" map mode is created, or the Atlas if that's the name | 12:46 |
| sivang | tackat: e.g. round earth sphere | 12:46 |
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| tackat | sivang: right now it's software rendering | 12:47 |
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| tackat | sivang: we have this generic render pipeline that takes projections into account. And as part of that we have a GeoPainter -- which is a QPainter with a geodetic API. | 12:48 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: ping | 12:49 |
| sivang | tackat: I have to give it a good read, the code that is, sounds cool :) | 12:49 |
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| tackat | sivang: here's a tutorial: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Marble/MarbleCPlusPlus (note that it goes across several pages) | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: *yawb* | 12:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: *yawn* | 12:50 |
| tackat | sivang: and then we also have the #marble channel on freenode and our facebook page for bleeding edge news: http://www.facebook.com/marbleglobe | 12:50 |
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| sivang | tackat: that's what I like about lots of KDE's projects. They generally come with good docs to start with. | 12:51 |
| tackat | Well Marble is just in terms of organization a KDE app (and in terms of the optional KDE integration). Technically it's pure Qt :-) . | 12:53 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: pm'd you | 12:53 |
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| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Thanks! | 12:54 |
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| tackat | sivang: ah yes, now I recall your face ;) | 12:54 |
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| MohammadAG | about flashing an N900 from an N900 | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, flasher works on the N900, it's preinstalled since 1.1.1 | 13:00 |
| MohammadAG | you have to use a hub to make the N900 stay in flashing mode, since when using a hub, anything under it is auto enumerated | 13:01 |
| MohammadAG | also, you can charge an N900 from another one | 13:01 |
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| MohammadAG | thought it's not really effecient, for obvious reasons | 13:02 |
| Macer | haha | 13:02 |
| Macer | that's kind of ghetto | 13:02 |
| Macer | :) | 13:02 |
| Macer | charging an n900 from an n900 | 13:02 |
| korhojoa | :DD | 13:05 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nah, I don't get pissed easily :P | 13:06 |
| MohammadAG | I'm an asshole sometimes, but usually i'm not pissed then | 13:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lo mo | 13:12 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer51: your late today | 13:13 |
| Termana | you're* | 13:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not really | 13:13 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer51: I was in at the same time today as you are now | 13:14 |
| Termana | Or is it just that you are always early, and I am always late - no matter what? | 13:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | well, I'm always in :-P | 13:15 |
| Termana | heh :p | 13:15 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: heya, could you please take a look at the testing list holdup ? It really is hurting the process, we kinda used it to track progress... | 13:21 |
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| sivang | tackat: you ave a talk about marble in dublin ? | 13:25 |
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| zokier | where could i find an oprofile kernel for n900? | 13:29 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: do you know where to get the ca-157 or another not so bulky adaptor? | 13:29 |
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| chem|st | as nokia does not provide it yet | 13:30 |
| chem|st | zokier: do you mean overclocking? | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | CA-157 is an an OTG adapter, it won't physically fit in the N900's port | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, get a CA-101D, works well | 13:31 |
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| zokier | chem|st, no, profiling | 13:32 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: thats normal datacable... is the mUSB plug modified or why wont it fit? | 13:33 |
| _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Nice! I hade a duplicate "Conflicts: ..." line in my debian/control ... nice, although it could be a bit more verbose about why it failed ... | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, no, it's a normal datacable, I have an N8 here too, and the adapter doesn't fit | 13:36 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: in germany the ca 157 ships with it (amazon at least tells) | 13:36 |
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| alterego | Is it g_nokia that provides the AT serial modem to a host via USB? | 13:39 |
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| MohammadAG | chem|st, with the N8, I know, i have that adapter and it doesn't work with the N900 | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, think so, yeah | 13:49 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 13:54 |
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| alterego | Hrm, this might not be possible then. | 13:56 |
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| tackat | sivang: ? | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: please read http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=9217715 | 13:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=9217752 | 14:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~debian chem|st | 14:03 |
| * infobot tells chem|st to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! | 14:03 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, http://i53.tinypic.com/2626ttu.jpg | 14:06 |
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| MohammadAG_ | actually, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=886163&postcount=513 | 14:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, if it works | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | for user | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always love options... There's so much I don't have to use then :-D | 14:09 |
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| alterego | So, if g_nokia creates 3 USB serial devices, why can the host only see one .. | 14:10 |
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| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, they're only three :P | 14:10 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, is opening and closing a file with QFile enough to create one? | 14:13 |
| alterego | It is if you've set create/append | 14:13 |
| alterego | It's part of the file open mode options. | 14:14 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ty | 14:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer drools over "Advanced Power 0.4.1-6" / "Advanced Power Monitor: 0.5.1-6" ©2008-2010 Kirill Plyashkevich <ru.spirit@gmail.com> | 14:24 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wish we had something similarly nice and clean and well done for fremantle | 14:25 |
| ham5 | similarly... to..... what..... | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | don't we? | 14:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do we? | 14:26 |
| nidO | theres been an advanced power monitor in extras for ages afaik | 14:26 |
| nidO | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/advanced-power | 14:27 |
| nidO | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/advanced-power-monitor | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, btw, that's the thing responsible for "Charger disconnected" after bme is started | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe missing milk -> no coffee actually has stronger impact to my performance than expected - yes I should check if we maybe have that | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: HAHAHAHA, now I realize this annoyed me on N810 for ages, always TWO notifiers popping up | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks, mate | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nidO: compare this poor silly thing to what the diablo version offers | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | nidO: probably n00bmokey would turn green in envy | 14:31 |
| nidO | ah havent really checked the actual differences, just know its the same software by the same author :p | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, hostmode is kept alive now | 14:31 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: do you have any experience with kernel development? | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: well, a bit. Not exactly on linux kernel though | 14:33 |
| korhojoa | hmm. my keyboard backlights don't work | 14:33 |
| korhojoa | anyone know what i could try to see to make them work? | 14:34 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: on the N900, g_nokia creates 3 USB serial devices, but only initializes one. | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | or not | 14:34 |
| alterego | I can mod g_nokia module to initialize all 3 | 14:34 |
| ham5 | blocking the light sensor dosent turn em on? | 14:34 |
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| alterego | (BAsically I want to use a usb serial port without sacrificing charging) | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ham5: ?? | 14:34 |
| ham5 | korhojoa | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | korhojoa, lemme guess, you recently installed/upgraded kernel-power, if so, take out battery and SIM then reinsert them | 14:35 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, g_nokia isn't needed for charging | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | or so I think | 14:35 |
| korhojoa | MohammadAG_, really? hmm | 14:35 |
| korhojoa | well not really recently | 14:35 |
| korhojoa | it's been off without the sim and battery | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | well | 14:36 |
| korhojoa | ham5, nope | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | ls /sys/class/leds | 14:36 |
| alterego | MohammadAG_: no, it's not, but the other way to get serial is to use g_serial (which g_nokia actually also does) _that_ sacrifices charging :) | 14:36 |
| korhojoa | MohammadAG_, twl4030:vibrator | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | if it only says twl4030 or something, do as I said | 14:36 |
| korhojoa | okay | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | there you go | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, proof that kernel-power causes this | 14:36 |
| korhojoa | so how come it does that? | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | no idea | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | it does it on non 2101 devices apparently | 14:37 |
| korhojoa | why does the sim require removal aswell? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: how's taking out SIM and then re-insering it *on a non powered device* doing anything good? | 14:37 |
| korhojoa | non 2101? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/good// | 14:37 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: MohammadAG_: how's taking out SIM and then re-insering it *on a non powered device* doing anything ? | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, idk, no device to test if it's actually needed | 14:37 |
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| MohammadAG_ | but changing sim resets settings | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | hm, stupid thing to say, nevermind | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | ignore the SIM part | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | korhojoa, cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Release | 14:38 |
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| korhojoa | well. | 14:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | Or Revision, not sure | 14:38 |
| korhojoa | i tried it anyway | 14:38 |
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| korhojoa | MohammadAG_, it's a 2101 | 14:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart matan for breaking powerkernel | 14:39 |
| * infobot teaches matan the basics, including how to RTM for breaking powerkernel | 14:39 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~lart t-tan for not checking this prior to taking patches into 'main' | 14:40 |
| * infobot installs a bad bootloader on t-tan and turns t-tan into a brick for not checking this prior to taking patches into 'main' | 14:40 | |
| korhojoa | they work now | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 14:40 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee | 14:40 |
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| korhojoa | is there a way to enter the pin-code after you've booted the phone? | 14:42 |
| korhojoa | i just bypassed the prompt earlier. does it require a reboot? | 14:42 |
| Appiah | no | 14:42 |
| Appiah | go to settings | 14:42 |
| Appiah | and phone | 14:42 |
| korhojoa | all it says is network unavailable | 14:42 |
| alterego | I'm a bit rusty at this, is it possibly to build a specific kernel module rather than the whole source tree? | 14:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (kbd LEDs) anybody with powerkernel - and preferrably with the defunct kbd-LED issue - tried modprobing the /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/leds-lp5523.ko ? | 14:44 |
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| MohammadAG | yes, it won't register the leds | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | N.B. /2.6.28-omap1 | 14:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E replace matan's borked module by the original | 14:45 |
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| sivang | tackat_: :) | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: could you please get a syslog or dmesg output of a `modprobe -r leds-lp5523; modprobe leds-lp5523` failing to result in working kbd-LEDs? | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for your reference: on a working system it should look like that: http://pastebin.com/ZjtAGA0F | 14:58 |
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| korhojoa | DocScrutinizer, well, sure, when they fail again. | 15:01 |
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| MohammadAG_ | LOL Symbian^3 uses DBus | 15:04 |
| alterego | really? | 15:05 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | Z:\data\dbus\system.conf | 15:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | SYMBIAN_DBUS_PLATFORM_SECURITY with tcp and stuff in it | 15:06 |
| FIQ | Ok, i've never used sed as it's regex and i've never tried to learn it | 15:06 |
| FIQ | sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' *.php - Will that do it recursively? | 15:07 |
| FIQ | from PWD, i mean | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | lmao | 15:07 |
| FIQ | s/PWD/working directory/ | 15:07 |
| infobot | FIQ meant: from working directory, i mean | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | alterego, apparently there are Qt apps on it | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | FIQ, yes | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: it will do quite some recursive mess I guess, yes yes | 15:07 |
| FIQ | ok | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | alterego, QSettings uses C:\data\.config as /home/user/.config | 15:08 |
| alterego | That's cool | 15:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | the panorama app uses Maemo 5's UI o_O | 15:09 |
| FIQ | uhm, how much of it? | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | all of it looks like Maemo 5 + fcamera | 15:09 |
| FIQ | as in, just toolbars, or everything? | 15:09 |
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| FIQ | lol | 15:09 |
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| FIQ | ss :D | 15:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | dialogs, the Yes/No is the same as Maemo 5's yes no dialog | 15:10 |
| alterego | Hah | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL @ 22MB free RAM | 15:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | I want the battery low sound | 15:11 |
| FIQ | Panorama app, is it official? | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's the same as the Maemo 5 one, with a cooler end | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes, Ovi Store on the N8 | 15:11 |
| FIQ | Because, if it's not, then it might be semi-understandable, if the developer began from Maemo 5 | 15:12 |
| FIQ | official as in, from nokia | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | think so, yes | 15:12 |
| FIQ | ...lol | 15:12 |
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| nidO | I dont get the suprise, why wouldnt they look the same? easily porting apps to do the same and look the same on different platforms is basically the purpose of nokia making heavy use of qt after all | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | who wants the sounds :P | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | nidO, no, Qt uses the UI of the respective OS, not a different one | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG_ | last I checked, Symbian doesn't use hildon-desktop's dialogs | 15:15 |
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| FIQ | isn't hildon even GTK? | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes | 15:18 |
| FIQ | that makes it even more strange IMO | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | it's clearly a custom UI | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | but why base it on hildon | 15:19 |
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| MohammadAG_ | http://i55.tinypic.com/fnjic.jpg FIQ | 15:25 |
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| FIQ | MohammadAG_, ah, ok | 15:29 |
| FIQ | lol | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/ke-recv/blobs/master/docs/usb-host-states.png | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, seen it | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: you also have seen `ke-recv-test ej` ? | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | yes | 15:31 |
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| MohammadAG_ | ke-recv-test at | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | you'll get an error message Unable to connect. No filesystem found, or something | 15:32 |
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| MohammadAG_ | how do I encrypt a string in Qt? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | rot13 or what? | 15:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | fastest type | 15:35 |
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| * DocScrutinizer blinks | 15:35 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rot13 MohammadAG_ | 15:35 |
| infobot | ZbunzznqNT_ | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~rot13 ZbunzznqNT_ | 15:36 |
| infobot | MohammadAG_ | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | M = Z, b =o, n = a | 15:36 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lmao | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | do I really need to ask infobot to quote ~ask ? | 15:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encryption >>...to make it unreadable to anyone except those possessing special knowledge, usually referred to as a key<< | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | I'm thinking of making an app that would lock applications | 15:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | problem is, I have no idea how it would work | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are symmetric and PK encryption schemes. The symmetric ones only work if you store the key at a safe place | 15:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | that's the easy part | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh | 15:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so where's the problem? | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | how to take over hildon-desktop's launcher so it launches a wrapper instead of the app itself | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | a very simple algo for symmetric key cipher is to use the passphrase* xor on the target text | 15:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: well, isn't that simple? you need to scramble the original binary anyway to make it non-executable. So why not rename it same time, and instead create a wrapper under original name? | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you do it the unix way, with proper permissions and users | 15:46 |
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| MohammadAG_ | QCryptographicHash < nice | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | this would however require patches to hildon-applauncher | 15:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: QCryptographicHash probably is worthless, as it only creates a hash from a password. So you can verify for two passwords having the same hash (that's how unix user password auth works, the hash is in /etc/passwd - or shadow) | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | got it! | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see how that helps your case here | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# dbus-monitor --session | grep App | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | method call sender=:1.113 -> dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr serial=18 path=/com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr; interface=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr; member=LaunchApplication | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | I could listen to that and create an overlay window perhaps | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | that should also discard CTRL + backspace | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | and the power button, damn, lots of stuff to cover | 15:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm what? | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're sporting funny projects :-D | 15:52 |
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| CableTwitch | Huzzah! | 16:14 |
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| CableTwitch | Question... how does one find out the version of the eMMC on a phone? | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | you don't, the eMMC is the same :P | 16:15 |
| MohammadAG_ | newer images probably contain newer user guides etc | 16:15 |
| CableTwitch | And, given that this is a replacement (presumably from refurb), is it worth fhalshing both the eMMC and the rootfs to latest before I begin making it 'mine'? | 16:16 |
| CableTwitch | Ahh, so the eMMC isnt as important? | 16:16 |
| CableTwitch | I'll just jam 1.3 on then. | 16:16 |
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| jacekowski | CableTwitch: flash emmc as well | 16:19 |
| jacekowski | CableTwitch: at least you will wipe any shit that is left there | 16:19 |
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| CableTwitch | True, true | 16:22 |
| CableTwitch | Although technically, they should have done that at the repair center. | 16:22 |
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| CableTwitch | I have both images from the attempted repair on the previous phone, so I can do both as and when | 16:22 |
| CableTwitch | Just charging the battery right now. | 16:22 |
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| CableTwitch | Wheee, seems to have flashed everything properly. | 16:55 |
| CableTwitch | Just gotta wait for the eternity boot process. | 16:55 |
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| CableTwitch | Awesome. Well, the command shown on the wiki for flashing the firmware references an old on, not the latest one. Yay. | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | adapt\ | 17:02 |
| CableTwitch | Reflashing with the NEW rootfs... | 17:03 |
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| andre__ | CableTwitch, it's a wiki. you can fix it. | 17:09 |
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| CableTwitch | Andre: I should, shouldnt I? | 17:14 |
| CableTwitch | Question though... you dont need an account or anything to do this? I havent ever editerd a wiki. | 17:14 |
| CableTwitch | -d | 17:14 |
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| andre__ | CableTwitch, heh, okay :) which exact site is wrong, and what exactly? | 17:15 |
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| CableTwitch | Well, for idiots like myself, copy+pasting the commands for flashing is the quick and easy way. Typically, I forgot to check WHICH release the basic command referenced, and ended up flashing a PR1.1 device with a PR1.1 (I'm guessing) binary. | 17:17 |
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| CableTwitch | In any case, all it needs to do is point to the latest generic release, I'm guessing. Or not have any release as part of the example, so other idiots dont make this mistake Xd | 17:18 |
| CableTwitch | Maybe its just me being dense. | 17:19 |
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| CableTwitch | Huh. Curious. I appear to have libqtm stuff installed, when I didnt before. Is this a PR1.3 thing, or have I inadvertantly installed something useless to me? | 17:33 |
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| GAN900 | Is anybody else really tired of Google's continued search "improvements"? | 17:50 |
| Corsac | ← | 17:50 |
| yacc | Any idea where to get flasher for 64bit Linux? | 17:50 |
| Corsac | nowhere | 17:51 |
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| Corsac | use ia32-libs stuff | 17:51 |
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| ieatlint | GAN900: if you mean that instant search thing... yeah... i find it annoying | 17:58 |
| ieatlint | it can be turned off with a cookie, but still annoying to have to set it | 17:58 |
| GAN900 | That and the damn arrow key hijacking | 17:59 |
| GAN900 | All of the stupid AJAXy shit | 17:59 |
| ieatlint | haven't noticed that | 18:00 |
| nidO | arrow key hijacks vanish with instant search disabled too | 18:00 |
| ieatlint | ah... just see that now.. | 18:00 |
| ieatlint | i have to say i kinda like the screenshot of the page in search results though | 18:00 |
| nidO | you can still get previews without instant search | 18:00 |
| ieatlint | i just bought 16gb of ram for my laptop for $200 US (plus $20 in taxes)... i like this future | 18:03 |
| Corsac | disabling javascripts makes the web really more usable | 18:03 |
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| ieatlint | i disagree.. javascript is very useful, but it's very poorly used in many places | 18:04 |
| ieatlint | perhaps block javascript with a whitelist of allowed sites, heh | 18:04 |
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| GAN900 | "Disable user to lock his screen" | 18:10 |
| GAN900 | Ah, Ubuntu fools. | 18:10 |
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| slonopotamus | how i install Net::SMTP::SSL perl module on n900? | 18:11 |
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| yacc | Corsac, adblock & noscript improve so much the web experience, it's always a shock to see it on a PC without these critical tools for modern websurfing, ... | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | any osso dev wizard could tell me why I see this: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/ke-recv-extra/blobs/master/src/hulda.c#line404 ? Why isn't it using kevents? | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | isn't it completely braindamaged to use polling on a mobile platform, when you got even driven architecture down to the hw peripheral interface? | 18:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi guys | 19:09 |
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| Venemo_N900 | why the hell does the x terminal quit right after I start it? | 19:12 |
| alterego | Mine did that the other day, I got quite paranoid that something screwed up the shell, like editing .profile. If you've not made any of those changes, restart the device and it should start working again. Unless you want to investigate further and file a report or something ;) | 19:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah, but I'm not in the mood of rebooting right now | 19:15 |
| joga | never had that happen...I do have a shortcut for a terminal that ssh's automatically and that quits if I don't have net at that moment | 19:15 |
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| Venemo_N900 | joga, it's the preinstalled xterm on the device, nothing special | 19:16 |
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| alterego | I've only encountered this issue once, and it was with 1.3 so it might be a real bug, especially now you seem to have suffered the same problem. | 19:20 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 19:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway I don't care about writing a bug report | 19:21 |
| lcuk | reboot and see if it carries on | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | in the time you have been pondering it you couldv confirmed and got on with next thing :P | 19:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | reboot'll probably fix it (did before) | 19:21 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lcuk, not pondering :P | 19:23 |
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| alterego | lcuk: if he does that and it starts working we may not have another oppertunity to debug thed situation again :P | 19:23 |
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| Venemo_N900 | lol | 19:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | and my cpu runs on max according to the cpumem applet | 19:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | for no reason | 19:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | forkbomb | 19:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I.E. some process is respawning or forking so fast and many times, you can't start xterm | 19:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've seen that with dbus-scripting, flashlight-extra, and I guess you can have it with other programs/processes as well | 19:31 |
| Venemo_N900 | hmm | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | or something ate all the memory and now the OMM is killing processes | 19:32 |
| Venemo_N900 | so you're sayin that some crap I installed is doing this? | 19:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hmm | 19:33 |
| Venemo_N900 | well then the OMM's been working for 30 minutes now | 19:33 |
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| NooBmonk3y | evening alls | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | first step: close all browser windows | 19:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, ping | 19:34 |
| alterego | pong | 19:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | w0000p | 19:35 |
| alterego | :) | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | remove back cover (will umount uSD and so no tracker will index it) | 19:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | Got an autobuilder error on the mammoth coding error that is healthcheck :P | 19:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../hcimages.qrc' | 19:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | yet the file is there :| | 19:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | seen that b4? | 19:35 |
| alterego | Nope, probably to do with the path though | 19:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm where does ../ mean, ie, the same place as the pro file? as the line above is cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../Healthcheck.pro | 19:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | and it finds the pro file fine, and the qrc is in the same folder :| | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 19:36 |
| alterego | Hrm, yeah. | 19:37 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmm | 19:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trap "pwd; ls -l ../hc*" ERROR | 19:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | ;) | 19:39 |
| jimmy_ | hi can anyone help with my N900? | 19:39 |
| jimmy_ | it has a camera problem it says operation failed when you open lens cover | 19:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: got no browser windows, nor SD | 19:41 |
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| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: only the irc client is running | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 19:42 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: is it possible that the qrc is not included in the source package | 19:42 |
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| NooBmonk3y | its there :| | 19:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | just checking the pro file | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | RESOURCES += hcimages.qrc | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | try to ssh in, and get a top/htop, and a dmesg/syslog | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | compiles and runs fine from qt though | 19:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | so testing it is fine | 19:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | will do when I get home | 19:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: btw, as you recommended, I read the article titled endianness on wikipedia (redirected from byte order) | 19:43 |
| Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: it shed some light on somethings, so thx | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | np | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 19:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, pro file here - http://pastebin.com/ybQfiNAi | 19:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | (i just added the rcc dir part in an attempt to get working | 19:46 |
| jimmy_ | i've tried a reflash with no luck | 19:46 |
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| alterego | NooBmonk3y: remove that and change the "RESOURCES += ../hcimages.qrc" see what that does | 19:47 |
| alterego | I'm poking in the dark here though ;) | 19:47 |
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| Venemo_N900 | jimmy_: maybe consider taking your precious to a repair center? | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | trying :) | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehe know the feeling :P | 19:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | ok, well qt building ok, will just test on the device, then try again | 19:48 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: does scratchbox build it okay? | 19:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo_N900, dont use scratchbox | 19:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | mad builder does though | 19:48 |
| alterego | Actually, that probably wont work :/ | 19:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, interesting though | 19:48 |
| alterego | Judging by your SOURCES, HEADERS and FORMS. | 19:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | no pictures lol ;) | 19:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehehe | 19:49 |
| alterego | Yeah, couldn't find the file ;) | 19:49 |
| jimmy_ | mm thats the last resort i would have liked to have fixed it my self have you got any other suggestions that are worth a shot? | 19:49 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ok, back to normal again :) | 19:50 |
| Venemo_N900 | jimmy_: reflash emmc+rootfs? | 19:51 |
| jimmy_ | in that order right? | 19:51 |
| alterego | NooBmonk3y: I'd be more worried about your compilation problem atm :P | 19:51 |
| Venemo_N900 | jimmy_: yes | 19:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | alterego, compilation problem? | 19:52 |
| Venemo_N900 | jimmy_: or uninstall everything that might have been messing with the camera fw | 19:52 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i dont get the other warnings in qt , just autobuilder :p | 19:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 19:52 |
| alterego | They're not warnings, they're linking errors | 19:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm assuming they are warnings not errors though? | 19:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh poo | 19:52 |
| alterego | That is why your build fails. | 19:52 |
| alterego | The .qrc is a minor issue. | 19:52 |
| jimmy_ | Venemo_N900: thanks i'll give it a go see what happens | 19:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | pity it doesnt say where there errors are lol | 19:53 |
| alterego | I think you need to add the mobility libraries to your debian/control file in the build-depends | 19:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | oooooo | 19:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | the question is, how? :) | 19:53 |
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| alterego | :) | 19:53 |
| alterego | I can't help you right now I have to nip to the shop. | 19:53 |
| alterego | bbaim | 19:53 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: build-depends libqtm or whatever the package name is | 19:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm | 19:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev is my current one | 19:54 |
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| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: I'll be able to tell you when I got home | 19:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol cheers ven! | 19:55 |
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| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y :) | 19:56 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: which part of Qt mobility are you using? | 19:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | erm lots ;) | 19:57 |
| Venemo_N900 | well anyway | 19:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | sensors, systeminfo, qcamera, | 19:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | etc | 19:57 |
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| Venemo_N900 | I bet it's gonna be libqtm-dev | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-dev/ | 19:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm got that already :| | 19:58 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: add that to your build dependencies | 19:58 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev | 19:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh | 19:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | am i missing an m? | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | then link the failed build log pls | 19:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqtm4-dev ? | 19:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | you need both of 'em | 19:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahaaa will try! | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | libqt4-dev is for Qt | 19:59 |
| Venemo_N900 | libqtm-dev is for Qt Mobility | 20:00 |
| Venemo_N900 | so it's gonna be Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev | 20:00 |
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| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: tell me if there's something wrong still | 20:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | just uploading to autobuilder | 20:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | okay | 20:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S didn't like it much though | 20:02 |
| Venemo_N900 | why not? | 20:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. | 20:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | omg. | 20:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.) | 20:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: This is currently a non-fatal warning with -S, but | 20:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: will probably become fatal in the future. | 20:03 |
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| NooBmonk3y | fatal doesnt sound fun! | 20:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | in the meantime, are you still using Linux? | 20:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup buntu | 20:03 |
| Venemo_N900 | might be worth to install the Scratchbox SDK too then | 20:04 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :| | 20:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | not right now | 20:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah :p hehe | 20:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | but for sometime in the future | 20:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | my pc struggles as it is :P | 20:04 |
| Venemo_N900 | because autobuilder also uses that | 20:04 |
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| Venemo_N900 | so if something works with scratchbox, it'll probably work with the autobuilder too | 20:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | got further ;) | 20:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 20:05 |
| Venemo_N900 | still fail :( | 20:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | same dpkg dependency error though | 20:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | E: Couldn't find package libqtm4-dev | 20:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm4-dev | 20:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: cAN YOU NOT READ? | 20:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | ? | 20:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry for caps | 20:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol obviously not :P | 20:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | you misspelled it... | 20:06 |
| Venemo_N900 | there is no libqtm4-dev | 20:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | :P | 20:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 20:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | just seen | 20:07 |
| mece | fuuuuuuuu | 20:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | sorry :P | 20:07 |
| mece | gaddamn windows! | 20:07 |
| Venemo_N900 | mece: what's up? | 20:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | ok seemed happier | 20:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol mecwe | 20:07 |
| mece | I did some work on a project on my work computer | 20:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | mece, | 20:08 |
| mece | which is windows xp, forgot to push the git, and now it's unreachable, eventhough the computer is on. | 20:08 |
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| mece | so... can't really continue to work on it now, can I? | 20:08 |
| mece | grrrrrrr | 20:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | mece: why is it unreachable? | 20:09 |
| mece | Venemo_N900, well how would I access it? | 20:09 |
| mece | Venemo_N900, it's a windows machine | 20:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | mece: isn't it on your hard drive? | 20:09 |
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| mece | Venemo_N900, well yes, but not in my home where I am now, but at my workplace | 20:09 |
| Venemo_N900 | mece: oh, that compicates things. | 20:10 |
| mece | indeed. | 20:10 |
| Venemo_N900 | remote desktop? vnc? | 20:10 |
| mece | maybe I have that rdesktop thing enabled.. | 20:10 |
| mece | gmm | 20:10 |
| mece | not vnc I'm sure | 20:10 |
| mece | I've never used rdesktop, but that doesn't mean it's not enabled. | 20:10 |
| mece | hmmhmm | 20:11 |
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| Venemo_N900 | mece: afaik not enabled by default | 20:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | ok now back to the previos errors - https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 20:12 |
| mece | Venemo_N900, no I guess not, but perhaps the work admins turned it on for me | 20:12 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, missing a build dependency, or the wrong version of one | 20:13 |
| mece | perhaps | 20:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm | 20:13 |
| Venemo_N900 | mece: maybe | 20:14 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: looking at it | 20:14 |
| * NooBmonk3y is gonna resintall qt mobility i feel | 20:14 | |
| mece | NooBmonk3y: yep | 20:14 |
| mece | you¨re missing libqtm-sensors | 20:14 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y: look here -> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.root.log.OK.txt | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | okay | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | it's ~20 mins until I get home | 20:15 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y: a lot of libqtm but no sensors. that's why sensors would not work | 20:15 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y: which is where it crashes. | 20:15 |
| * NooBmonk3y is confused :P | 20:15 | |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah | 20:15 |
| Venemo_N900 | hmm... | 20:16 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, you need to put libqtm-sensors as a dependency | 20:16 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ahaaaaaaa | 20:16 |
| Venemo_N900 | packaging is always like voodoo magic. I learn something interesting every time. | 20:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | probably gonna need more than that too | 20:16 |
| mece | the error is "cannot find -lQtSensors " | 20:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | ie system info ones too | 20:16 |
| mece | and there's a package called libqtm-sensors and it's the only libqtm package NOT installed | 20:16 |
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| Venemo_N900 | well then that's gonna be it | 20:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | i have no idea what the libqtm-* packages are called though | 20:17 |
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| mece | these are the ones that are included: libqtm-bearer libqtm-contacts libqtm-location libqtm-messaging libqtm-multimedia libqtm-publishsubscribe libqtm-serviceframework libqtm-systeminfo libqtm-versit | 20:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh yay! | 20:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | i know from that what i need, cheers! | 20:17 |
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| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: 'dpkg -l | grep libqtm' will tell you | 20:17 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y: it's all in the root log. it says which packages are used | 20:17 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ty Venemo_N900 & mece | 20:18 |
| yacc | Can it be that the initial boot after flashing takes quite a bit longer than usual? | 20:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo | 20:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | look ok? | 20:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | yw | 20:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | yacc: maybe | 20:18 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, maube. | 20:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | hehe | 20:18 |
| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: nope | 20:18 |
| mece | haha | 20:18 |
| mece | typing is hard | 20:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: those go to Depends, right mece? | 20:18 |
| mece | yeah I think so. | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | :) :) | 20:19 |
| mece | the -dev ones only in depends | 20:19 |
| * NooBmonk3y is trying | 20:19 | |
| NooBmonk3y | oh | 20:19 |
| mece | dhe build depends are the ones that are not needed for running the thing | 20:19 |
| alterego | build-depends :P | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | so the other ones? lol | 20:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | mece: the -devs are going to build-depends and the simple ones to depends | 20:19 |
| alterego | Oh, cool, mece is on the case :) | 20:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhhh so i was wrong :p | 20:19 |
| mece | yes. | 20:19 |
| Venemo_N900 | yeah I agree with alterego | 20:19 |
| mece | it was a typo | 20:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | so........ | 20:20 |
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| mece | NooBmonk3y, so, Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev | 20:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev and Depends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo | 20:20 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, Depends: <the rest> | 20:20 |
| mece | right | 20:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | yay! | 20:20 |
| mece | try it :) | 20:20 |
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| mece | no yay saying yet | 20:21 |
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| * NooBmonk3y is crossing fingers | 20:22 | |
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| * Venemo_N900 too | 20:22 | |
| * mece is not. He's not superstitious. | 20:23 | |
| RST38h | well. moo. | 20:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt ;) | 20:24 |
| * NooBmonk3y moo's | 20:25 | |
| mece | hmm sensors is still not installed | 20:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | still can't find sensors | 20:25 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh | 20:25 |
| mece | are you sure you uploaded the new build? | 20:26 |
| Venemo_N900 | what happens if you try and add libqtm-sensors to the build depends too? | 20:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | hold on | 20:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | will to a fresh new build and remove old files brb | 20:26 |
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| NooBmonk3y | buildpackage still errors, just noticed | 20:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libqtm4-dev | 20:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. | 20:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: (Use -d flag to override.) | 20:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: This is currently a non-fatal warning with -S, but | 20:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: will probably become fatal in the future. | 20:27 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hmmm | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | hold on | 20:28 |
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| NooBmonk3y | that old error is still there | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | wtf | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | hang on | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | its not in my control file! | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>=5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev | 20:28 |
| mece | the package is called libqtm-dev | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | freaky! | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah ! (I listened ven, i promise!) | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | y build deends is correct | 20:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | depends* | 20:28 |
| Venemo_N900 | eh. | 20:29 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, hmm | 20:29 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ok rebuilt, checked and no errors | 20:31 |
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| NooBmonk3y | of it goes ;) | 20:31 |
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| NooBmonk3y | randomness :P | 20:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | i always get the fun errors :P | 20:31 |
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| mece | NooBmonk3y, :) | 20:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | :) :) | 20:33 |
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| Venemo_N900 | so NooBmonk3y is it okay now? :) | 20:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | waiting on autobuilder | 20:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | buildpackage went thru ok | 20:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | k | 20:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | well I just arrived home | 20:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | the app itself is no where near ready, but getting it built will make my updates and uploading alot easier | 20:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | ohhh wine was in there :p | 20:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | it just failed out, so prob mine next | 20:35 |
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| mece | fail | 20:35 |
| Venemo_N900 | heh? | 20:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 20:36 |
| mece | no sensors again | 20:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | i think i know why :P | 20:36 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, you forgot to add it? | 20:37 |
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| NooBmonk3y | nope | 20:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | i think its related to me taking a hortcut | 20:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | shortcut* | 20:37 |
| mece | a shortcut to mushrooms? | 20:37 |
| NooBmonk3y | i should be using #include <QSensor> but that never worked so copied the files into my proj folder and used #include "qsensor.h" | 20:37 |
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| NooBmonk3y | builds and tests on my device fine, but i assume not on autobuilder | 20:38 |
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| mece | well can you build it locally? | 20:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup :P | 20:38 |
| mece | do you have libatm-sensors installed locally? | 20:38 |
| mece | s/libatm/libqtm | 20:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | ? :| | 20:38 |
| mece | fuu | 20:38 |
| mece | trailing / | 20:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | he doesn't use scratchbox | 20:38 |
| mece | oh. | 20:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i build on ubuntu, using qtcreator | 20:38 |
| mece | hm | 20:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | and test on my device | 20:38 |
| CableTwitch | Boo | 20:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | Boo to you too! | 20:39 |
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| mece | ok but still, it doesn't install libqtm-sensors and it fails on sensors, so I believe there's a connection. | 20:39 |
| Venemo | hi | 20:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| | 20:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm | 20:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh wb Ven | 20:39 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: you got my email address. send me the stuff | 20:40 |
| mece | it installs ALL the other qtm packages | 20:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | I'll quit on the N900 now | 20:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | bb | 20:40 |
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| NooBmonk3y | venemo lol its huge will chuck it up in a tar to ftp | 20:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | will just do the whole folder so you can laugh ;) | 20:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | its a mess :P | 20:40 |
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| CableTwitch | Ahh yes, the qtm stuff... if it shows up in the uninstall list, its safe to get rid of, right? | 20:41 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: okay with me | 20:41 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: if you wanna | 20:41 |
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| CableTwitch | Cool. I dont recall installing it, I wasnt sure if it was something PR1.3 related. | 20:41 |
| mece | CableTwitch, well you don't need it in general. just for programs that use it | 20:41 |
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| Venemo | CableTwitch: it is there since PR 1.3 | 20:42 |
| CableTwitch | I did wonder. | 20:42 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: for any apps that may need it (like with any lib) | 20:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | just uploading :P | 20:42 |
| CableTwitch | Right, I dont do experimental apps, so I doubt I'll need it. | 20:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 20:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | CableTwitch, qt apps have been around for ages :P | 20:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | was just a new version that came with 1.3 | 20:43 |
| mece | I think qtm stuff is included in mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 20:43 |
| mece | so removing it would break that package. | 20:43 |
| Venemo | maybe | 20:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | :P | 20:43 |
| CableTwitch | If its been around for ages... why is it now shown in the uninstall list, whereas it wasnt before? | 20:43 |
| mece | qtm is new | 20:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh the mobility lot :p | 20:44 |
| mece | tep | 20:44 |
| mece | yep | 20:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | :P | 20:44 |
| CableTwitch | Ok, I'm now truely confused. | 20:44 |
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| CableTwitch | And as such, I'll leave it be for now. | 20:44 |
| mece | :) | 20:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo my misses will be in the middle of a 4 minute exam about now ;) | 20:44 |
| Venemo | :D | 20:44 |
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| mece | 4 minute exam? | 20:44 |
| mece | wtf | 20:44 |
| CableTwitch | Hades knows I dont need yet another broken N900... XD | 20:44 |
| Venemo | misses? | 20:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | sign language ;) | 20:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | mrs | 20:44 |
| mece | I guess he meant missus | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | misses | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | missus | 20:45 |
| mece | :) | 20:45 |
| Venemo | your wife? | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | gf | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | etc | 20:45 |
| mece | hubby | 20:45 |
| CableTwitch | The SigOther | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | girlfriend | 20:45 |
| Venemo | okay :) | 20:45 |
| mece | bedfellow | 20:45 |
| Venemo | sorry, I'm not native English speaker :P | 20:45 |
| CableTwitch | She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | missus is just a take on either that or wife | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | mece, boss | 20:45 |
| mece | supreme leader | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | ;) | 20:45 |
| Venemo | mece: bedfellow, LoL :D | 20:45 |
| mece | government | 20:45 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, neither am i most of the time lol | 20:45 |
| mece | anyway | 20:45 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: aren't you an English person? | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | supposedly! | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | 1/2 australian, that may be where i am going wrong ;) | 20:46 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: oh :) | 20:46 |
| mece | OH | 20:46 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: and where do you live? | 20:46 |
| mece | ok then. | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | england lol | 20:46 |
| mece | :D | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | doesnt mean i speak it correctly ;) | 20:46 |
| mece | a lot explained. | 20:46 |
| CableTwitch | Australian? Nah, he's half drunk, half English ;O) | 20:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol CableTwitch | 20:47 |
| mece | and english == drunk, so completely drunk. | 20:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | hahaha | 20:47 |
| CableTwitch | Something like that :O) | 20:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | mece, drinking yourself sober it is called | 20:47 |
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| mece | hehe | 20:47 |
| CableTwitch | I've yet to get back to sober. | 20:47 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, http://ubuntuone.com/p/RXB/ | 20:47 |
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| CableTwitch | I tend to reach the heady heights of 'Acute Alcohol Poisoning', then pass out. | 20:48 |
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| CableTwitch | Maybe sober is after that? | 20:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm a sensible drunk :P | 20:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | very quiet and seem to know my limits :( | 20:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | so i just fall asleep lol | 20:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | although, my limits on friday night was 3 bottles of wine lol | 20:48 |
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| NooBmonk3y | and the missus does not drink, so allways entertaining | 20:49 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: seems that you English people have a very good sense of humor | 20:49 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: yours is almost as good as lcuk's :P | 20:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, we are very good at making fun of our selves, ;) | 20:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 20:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | he's a northener | 20:49 |
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| CableTwitch | Sensible drunk... quiet and know your limits... falling asleep... there is NO way you're Aussie then. | 20:49 |
| Venemo | northener? | 20:49 |
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| NooBmonk3y | if he can;t make fun of himself, something is wrong ;) | 20:49 |
| lcuk | Venemo, he only lacks bacon ale. | 20:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, people who live up norf | 20:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | i r southener | 20:49 |
| CableTwitch | Oop nurth | 20:49 |
| Venemo | oh, okay | 20:49 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y == wussy southerner :P | 20:50 |
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| NooBmonk3y | they all speak wird-like oooop norf | 20:50 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, 1 2 3 4 i declare a bacon warrrrrrrrrr! | 20:50 |
| CableTwitch | Nothing wussy about the South. | 20:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 20:50 |
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| NooBmonk3y | tbf, i'm so far south at the moment, even kathy aint much more southern lol | 20:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol btw did kathy tell you about who she befriended on twitter? | 20:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ^^ lcuk | 20:51 |
| lcuk | who? | 20:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | my chief executive ;) | 20:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | who seems to be stalking me | 20:51 |
| Venemo | hehehe | 20:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | ok she is a woman so good start but 60ish lol :P (and rich lol...) - but also has a cute daughter i hear | 20:52 |
| lcuk | he wants to also taste mandys delicious muffins | 20:52 |
| CableTwitch | How far south are you, Noob? | 20:52 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: oh yeah... fails to even build on Scratchbox | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | CableTwitch, near brighton | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | i can see the sea out the window | 20:52 |
| mece | gotta go cuddle with the ball'n'chain. good luck NooBmonk3y :) | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, coulda told u that without scratchbox ;) | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol mece have fun! | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty! | 20:52 |
| CableTwitch | Brighton... I hear it doesnt get that dark in Brighton, on account of all the rainbows and sparkles... XD | 20:52 |
| NooBmonk3y | hahaha | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm nearer worthing, old gay people, yummy | 20:53 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: I unpacked the source tar.gz, that okay? | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah :) | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | tis just the messy source folder! | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | that builds fine in qt creator | 20:53 |
| NooBmonk3y | theres left over old crap in there, but will sort that later :P | 20:53 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: yeah, builds fine in Qt Creator | 20:54 |
| NooBmonk3y | :) | 20:54 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i know i whine about package building alot, but it really aint straightforward :p | 20:55 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: now I'm installing Qt Mobility to my Scratchbox (realized I didn't have any of it) | 20:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | haha | 20:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | that would help! ! :) | 20:55 |
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| Venemo | hm | 20:56 |
| Venemo | it seems to be okay | 20:56 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ooooo | 20:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | builds?! | 20:56 |
| NooBmonk3y | freaky deaky! | 20:57 |
| Venemo | yeah, 'make' makes a binary out of it | 20:57 |
| Venemo | but dpkg-buildpackage is still whining | 20:57 |
| Venemo | you know | 20:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 20:58 |
| Venemo | oh, this shit Qt Creator messed up the debian folder... | 20:58 |
| * NooBmonk3y is the dpkg anti-christ | 20:58 | |
| Venemo | they should call it Crap Creator really | 20:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | apart from the gui side is alot easier! | 20:59 |
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| Venemo | well you know | 20:59 |
| Venemo | the control file contains exactly nothing | 20:59 |
| Venemo | none of the stuff we told you earlier | 20:59 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: are you sure you sent me the right thing? | 21:02 |
| yacc | Btw, is there any way to generate a flashable backup of the installed Maemo system? | 21:02 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i suppose i need to set qt creator up properly so it looks like a project folder at some point | 21:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, not in there | 21:02 |
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| NooBmonk3y | but check the other tar | 21:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | i ignore the qt creator debian folder | 21:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | its crap | 21:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | i copy the project files out and use another folder to build | 21:03 |
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| Venemo | well that is not a right thing to do | 21:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol :P | 21:03 |
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| Venemo | the right thing to do is to set "skip packaging step" in Qt Creator | 21:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | ahhh :p meh | 21:03 |
| Venemo | that way it won't screw you up | 21:03 |
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| NooBmonk3y | but it worked ok for maecount that way ::P | 21:03 |
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| Venemo | yeah, but it is a pain to manage the stuff that way | 21:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | kinda, makes it nice and clean for me though | 21:04 |
| Venemo | hehe | 21:05 |
| Venemo | well what I recommended make it nice and clean for me :) | 21:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | as the proj stuff is on a windows partioned external hdd, and i dpkg it on the linux folders in a clean new folder | 21:05 |
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| NooBmonk3y | haha | 21:05 |
| Venemo | :) | 21:05 |
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| Venemo | ok, it worked for me | 21:08 |
| CableTwitch | I love how you guys appear to hold conversations in a bizarre form of code. | 21:08 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: not sure why the autobuilder doesn't work | 21:08 |
| Venemo | maybe X-Fade can help? | 21:08 |
| CableTwitch | I understand approximatly sod all of it, but its awesome to watch XD | 21:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | :( | 21:08 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: what do you mean? | 21:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | X-Fade, is amazing, its true ;) | 21:08 |
| Venemo | he is the repo maintainer :P | 21:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | very true :P | 21:09 |
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| Venemo | ~seen X-Fade | 21:09 |
| CableTwitch | Venemo: I'm no coder. I dont use linux, except on the N900. Its all space-language to me :O) | 21:09 |
| infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 9h 43m 28s) #meego (1d 9h 43m 28s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 8h 42m 31s, last said: '*lunch even.'. | 21:09 |
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| NooBmonk3y | wow 8 hr lunch, thats impressive | 21:09 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: oh :) | 21:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | CableTwitch, as it seems, i'm the same as you lol i cant keep up with myself let alone them | 21:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, any ideas? :P https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 21:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | autobuilder errors :p | 21:10 |
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| CableTwitch | I must admit, I come here for the technical assistance more than anything. But I do learn a little now and then. Mostly how to unbugger my phone. | 21:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol CableTwitch | 21:10 |
| lcuk | ld: cannot find -lQtSensors | 21:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | ;) | 21:11 |
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| Venemo | I guess libqtm-sensors is not okay on the autobuilder | 21:11 |
| * lcuk hms | 21:11 | |
| NooBmonk3y | googling -lQtSensors brings up nothing, wow | 21:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm | 21:11 |
| CableTwitch | Noob: I've taken delivery of my 3rd 900 today. First one I broke the USB connector (Not off the mobo, just managed to disintegrate the socket itself), the 2nd one just went into a coma and never woke up (was a refub replacement for the first), and now this one. | 21:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | i know what it is lol | 21:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | i think | 21:12 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: congrats :) | 21:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh know, i dont | 21:12 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, hm | 21:12 |
| lcuk | qtm-sensors is the lib | 21:12 |
| * NooBmonk3y hmmmm's too | 21:12 | |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: -lQtSensors is the C flag for making the compiler use the libqtm-sensors package | 21:12 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Depends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | so i assume it is realising that | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | but just screwing up? | 21:13 |
| Venemo | yes | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | bahhhhhhh | 21:13 |
| Venemo | my Scratchbox could build it fine | 21:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | ohhhhk :p thats good news :) | 21:14 |
| CableTwitch | Does anyone know if SMB has been sorted for the N900? | 21:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | borked scratchbox, yay! | 21:14 |
| CableTwitch | Well done | 21:14 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, | 21:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, | 21:14 |
| lcuk | libqtm-dev is not pulling in libqtm-sensors | 21:14 |
| CableTwitch | CableTwitch, | 21:14 |
| lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.root.log.OK.txt | 21:14 |
| lcuk | see and check | 21:14 |
| lcuk | it has all other components | 21:15 |
| Venemo | lcuk: what did you do? | 21:15 |
| Venemo | huh! | 21:15 |
| * lcuk would say that is a bug | 21:16 | |
| RST38h | evening, lcuk. how is life? | 21:16 |
| Venemo | lcuk, how did you manage to make it build okay? | 21:16 |
| CableTwitch | Oooh, something else I dod wonder. Is it possible to make the media player simply list all MP3s per folder, instead of very unhelpfully bunging all those with little or no ID3 data into one generic catagory? | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, bug my end? | 21:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | bug that end? | 21:16 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: there is a media player which works by folders | 21:16 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: I forgot its name though | 21:16 |
| lcuk | libqtm-dev is not including the libqtm-sensors info | 21:16 |
| lcuk | not your end afaik unless you were meant to add it | 21:17 |
| lcuk | RST38h, very strange day. | 21:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | ohjkkk, so libqtm-dev packaging error | 21:17 |
| lcuk | pulling in many places | 21:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| | 21:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah lots in their | 21:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | there* | 21:18 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: ? | 21:18 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, which versions of qtm are you using | 21:18 |
| CableTwitch | Venemo: But no way of making the default media player do that, short of spending forever sorting out ID3? | 21:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://qt.nokia.com/products/qt-addons/mobility | 21:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | 1.1.0 | 21:19 |
| lcuk | RST38h, gotcold/flu type stuff with sore throat, son turned 16 today, having to talk when i feel like crap etc | 21:19 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: nope | 21:19 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: but I have my music with sorted ID3, so I never cared about the issue | 21:20 |
| Venemo | CableTwitch: there is a nice Windows app I found sometime ago that lets you sort out ID3 tags per folders | 21:20 |
| CableTwitch | Yay. | 21:20 |
| RST38h | lcuk: lie low. | 21:20 |
| Venemo | lcuk, your son is 16? | 21:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo looks like the new qtcreator 2.1 RC has more maemo support! yay! | 21:21 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: in what sense? | 21:21 |
| NooBmonk3y | Maemo Target | 21:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | * Improved support for Debian packaging: | 21:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | - Automatic creation of Debian files in project directory | 21:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | - Debian files adaptable by users | 21:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | * Deployment information is taken from .pro file's INSTALLS variable | 21:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | * Support for "subdirs" and library project types | 21:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | * Projects created by mobile wizards are now usable for Maemo development | 21:22 |
| NooBmonk3y | * Fremantle: Support for exporting host directories to the device | 21:22 |
| mikki-kun | hm, a fresh n900 is indeed really fast, good i made the remake of the system :) | 21:22 |
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| * NooBmonk3y thinks i should dload that version ;) | 21:22 | |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: sounds good | 21:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah :) | 21:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | and RC means thats the pretty much final v yay! | 21:23 |
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| NooBmonk3y | oh hold on | 21:24 |
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| NooBmonk3y | qt creator, or nokia qt sdk | 21:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | different things? | 21:24 |
| Venemo | yes | 21:24 |
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| NooBmonk3y | meh, me using Qt Creator 2.0.1 | 21:24 |
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| Venemo | last time I tried their prerelease it was utter crap, so I'm sticking to stable ones now | 21:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 21:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | RC will be the stable version though | 21:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | as they wont change it :P | 21:25 |
| Venemo | lol | 21:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | hmmm bin file meh | 21:26 |
| Venemo | ok guys, I'd need someone who knows Linux well | 21:26 |
| Venemo | I have a problem with my PATH variable on my desktop | 21:27 |
| Venemo | I added /home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/ to PATH for the 'mad' command to work | 21:27 |
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| Venemo | but now the archive manager fails to open .deb files because this directory contains a dpkg-deb executable too | 21:28 |
| Venemo | and the two are ambiguous, and the wrong one is called :( | 21:28 |
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| NooBmonk3y | :| | 21:30 |
| Venemo | moment, I'll log in and out | 21:33 |
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| Venemo | hi again | 21:36 |
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| steinex | Venemo, use first one is called | 21:38 |
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| steinex | so you should set PATH=$PATH:/home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/ | 21:38 |
| steinex | instead of other one around | 21:38 |
| Venemo | steinex: yeah, that was it | 21:39 |
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| Venemo | steinex: I made a script with 'export PATH=$PATH:/home/Timur/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/' and put it into /etc/profile.d/ | 21:40 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ooo wow | 21:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | new qtcreator fails but is great lol | 21:40 |
| Venemo | steinex: the problem is, it did try to open dpkg-deb from that place instead of the other | 21:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | can edit control, change files etc all from within | 21:40 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: why fails? | 21:40 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 - when i try to prun, even though it builds fine | 21:41 |
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| NooBmonk3y | s/prun/run/ | 21:41 |
| infobot | NooBmonk3y meant: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 - when i try to run, even though it builds fine | 21:41 |
| Venemo | interesting | 21:41 |
| Venemo | anyway, I'm off to eat something | 21:41 |
| Venemo | will be back soon | 21:41 |
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| Venemo | good evening MohammadAG :) | 21:41 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: keep me posted about the stuff, I'd like to know what the solution is | 21:42 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: maybe MohammadAG can help :) | 21:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | yeah | 21:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | working my way through ;) | 21:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | does look good though | 21:42 |
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| MohammadAG | znc back, yay | 21:44 |
| Venemo | brb | 21:44 |
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| NooBmonk3y | wb MohammadAG | 21:45 |
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| yacc | Anyway to get mad-developer to run a certain USB config on boot of the N900? | 21:50 |
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| nox- | moin | 21:53 |
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| trumee | can somebody on stock kernel post their /etc/pmconfig | 22:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, lcuk and new qtcreator = http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/trees/master ooOoooo | 22:04 |
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| MohammadAG | finally :P | 22:06 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, it's not fully up but kinda | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | still, a proper git page is the way to go :) | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | what new Qt Creator btw? | 22:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | :P | 22:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | no idea how i did it!!! | 22:07 |
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| MohammadAG | fuck | 22:14 |
| * trumee anybody happy to pastebin /etc/pmconfig from stock kernel? | 22:14 | |
| NooBmonk3y | 2.1 | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | I dd'd the tar.bz2 of meego, forgot to extract it | 22:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, figured out why it is erroring ;) | 22:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | which explains why i move the files out to package ;) | 22:15 |
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| NooBmonk3y | rules file is not executable ;) | 22:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | good by git setup i feel lol | 22:16 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders how to read line 3 of a file with C++ :P | 22:18 | |
| * MohammadAG reads QFile's docs again | 22:18 | |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, scream at it long enough, will soon work ;) | 22:19 |
| mece | NooBmonk3y, still failing? | 22:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | mece, erm, kinda, decided to move to new qtcreator, making packaging easier ish lol - as it is all within qtcreator :) | 22:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | but... having a few issues with it | 22:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. even though i have set it as executable | 22:20 |
| mece | well you know you can move it to scratchbox and compile there if you want... | 22:20 |
| * NooBmonk3y grumbles | 22:21 | |
| NooBmonk3y | anyway it worked in scratchbox for venemo | 22:21 |
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| ieatlint | hrm... good news: beer is 30% off at my local grocery store (along with everything but hard liquor, but i have priorities)... bad news: the sale is because they're closing | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, debian/rules is executable, line 474 in it, isn't | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | or.. not | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | nevermind | 22:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | yup | 22:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. | 22:26 |
| NooBmonk3y | Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 13 | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, what is on line 474? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | if only there was someone with skills to open a file using QFile and read to a specific line | 22:27 |
| lcuk | but I dont know anyone who is examining such a problem | 22:27 |
| * lcuk pokes MohammadAG | 22:27 | |
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| NooBmonk3y | cant you use a readline kinda command? | 22:28 |
| NooBmonk3y | count, and if 3... erm it works? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, nah, it's line 474 of dpkg-buildpackage | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | cc lcuk :P | 22:29 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ? | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | <lcuk> NooBmonk3y, what is on line 474? | 22:29 |
| lcuk | line 474 of this file::: /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage is a perl script I think | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | then you will know what its trying (and failing) to run | 22:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh ok | 22:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | ty translator lcuk | 22:30 |
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| MohammadAG | it tries to execute debian/rules | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | chmod +x it | 22:30 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, have | 22:31 |
| NooBmonk3y | if i double click, it asks me if i want to run it | 22:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | so it is exec'able | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 22:32 |
| NooBmonk3y | exactly :p | 22:32 |
| * NooBmonk3y 's dumbass problems strike again! | 22:32 | |
| * MohammadAG hates madde | 22:32 | |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 22:33 |
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| alterego | Composed some screenshots: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html | 22:40 |
| alterego | That's how bored I am right now ^.^ | 22:41 |
| Venemo | hey again | 22:41 |
| alterego | Aloha | 22:41 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: how's Healthcheck? | 22:41 |
| NooBmonk3y | Wohooooooooooooo | 22:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | just got it to run in the new qtcreator | 22:42 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ok... so now | 22:42 |
| Venemo | what was the solution? | 22:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | it had old folder names from the non-exec external hdd in it | 22:42 |
| NooBmonk3y | had to go through and remove them all | 22:42 |
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| NooBmonk3y | so i now have a nice neat build folder created by qtcreator | 22:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | with no compat file, but i can sort that | 22:43 |
| NooBmonk3y | ooo its there | 22:44 |
| NooBmonk3y | gd gd | 22:44 |
| * trumee funny enabling/disabling the speaker while on a phone call doesnt change the cpu usage in Power Kernel. It remains always high. Power Kernel is heavily broken. | 22:44 | |
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| NooBmonk3y | moved it to the autobuilder, not holding out any hope and expecting the previous errors | 22:46 |
| Venemo | lcuk: have I told you about my new app idea? | 22:46 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, an app that builds itself? ;) | 22:46 |
| Venemo | I'm gonna make a jigsaw puzzle app | 22:47 |
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| NooBmonk3y | cool! | 22:47 |
| Venemo | it'll open an image from the device which the user specifies, then it'll slice up the image and scramble the pieces | 22:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, ! | 22:48 |
| NooBmonk3y | at least it is cleaner now ;) https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 22:48 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: what happens if you add libqtm-sensors to the build-depends section of the control file? | 22:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | Depends: libqtm-sensors, libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo | 22:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | thats what it is | 22:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh buil- | 22:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol i cant read | 22:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | u where right | 22:49 |
| NooBmonk3y | will try | 22:50 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: I'm just guessing here, but it may help | 22:50 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: otherwise poke X-Fade | 22:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | trying ;) | 22:50 |
| NooBmonk3y | guessing is good! | 22:50 |
| * NooBmonk3y will poke x-fade repeatedly..... (urghhhhhh) | 22:50 | |
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| MohammadAG | LOLWTF | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: bluetooth-coffeemaker 0.1.0-5 OK Maemo Extras Builder | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 2.9.1 FAILED Maemo Extras Builder | 22:52 |
| RST38h | http://lurkmore.ru/images/9/99/Sap1.jpg | 22:53 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, unfortunatley, didnt work ;( https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 22:56 |
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| NooBmonk3y | X-Fade Ping | 22:57 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ? | 22:57 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, you mean the coffeemaker? | 22:58 |
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| Kaadlajk | NooBmonk3y: add libqtm-dev to build-deps | 22:58 |
| X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: What can I help the n00b with? :) | 22:58 |
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| NooBmonk3y | X-Fade, yay!!! | 22:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt | 22:58 |
| NooBmonk3y | control file - http://pastebin.com/tC8XM9td | 22:59 |
| Venemo | nah, goodbye guys :) | 22:59 |
| X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: Missing build-depends. | 22:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| | 22:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | ciao Ven | 22:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | Kaadlajk, was in there ;) | 22:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev, libqtm-sensors | 22:59 |
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| NooBmonk3y | (libqtm-sensors was just added as a guess, failes without it too) | 23:00 |
| Gh0sty | wicked :p | 23:00 |
| Gh0sty | someone packaged iodine :) | 23:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | X-Fade, any hints as to which? :| | 23:01 |
| Termana | good morning | 23:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | morning Termana | 23:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | cannot find -lQtSensors confuses me! | 23:02 |
| X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: Does that qtm version even support sensors? | 23:02 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_free_armel/libqtm-dev/1.0.2-maemo1/ | 23:02 |
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| X-Fade | Don't see sensors listed there. | 23:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | well, works on my n900 lol | 23:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | random | 23:03 |
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| NooBmonk3y | good point though | 23:04 |
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| NooBmonk3y | X-Fade, why would it work on my device, when testing though? :| | 23:04 |
| NooBmonk3y | if it doesnt exist? | 23:05 |
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| MohammadAG | sensors are supported as of 1.3 afaik | 23:05 |
| MohammadAG | I saw a lib that polls the sysnode | 23:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, 1.1 i think | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | thought* | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | but still works on my device lol | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | PR1.3 ;) | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh ok | 23:06 |
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| NooBmonk3y | that makes sense | 23:06 |
| X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: Check what makes it build on your scratchbox then ;) | 23:06 |
| NooBmonk3y | but as X-Fade says... doesnt seem to be in the package | 23:06 |
| * NooBmonk3y doesnt have a scratchbox :( | 23:07 | |
| X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: How did you build the app then? | 23:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | qt creator | 23:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | build -> run on device | 23:07 |
| X-Fade | Ah, that thing has everything ... kitchen sink included. | 23:07 |
| NooBmonk3y | interestingly, the code built on venemos scratchbox earlier | 23:07 |
| X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: You might want to try #qt-maemo or what as the channel called. | 23:08 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol ty :P | 23:08 |
| NooBmonk3y | never got a response in there will try though :P | 23:08 |
| X-Fade | Hmm ok, not good then. | 23:09 |
| X-Fade | I don't know the dirty details of qtm coding, so I can't help you. | 23:09 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 23:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | thank you very much though | 23:10 |
| lcuk | #qt-mobility is the one true source | 23:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, so is bacon | 23:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | make your mind up | 23:10 |
| lcuk | qt-mobility includes a bacon api. | 23:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | X-Fade, appreciate the help though :) - i allways seem to find problems ;) | 23:10 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, lies | 23:10 |
| lcuk | libqtbacon-dev package | 23:10 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | mmmmm libqtbacon-dev :D | 23:11 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, you need libqtGeorgeForeman-Grill-dev to go with it | 23:11 |
| * MohammadAG reads header file | 23:11 | |
| lcuk | lol nahhh i dont | 23:11 |
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| ieatlint | NooBmonk3y: that package is severely deprecated and no longer maintained methinks | 23:12 |
| alterego | That reminds me, must make a local mirror of the maemo dev reopsitory when I go to my parents this week so I can actually use my auto-builder. | 23:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol lint! | 23:12 |
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| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 23:12 |
| NooBmonk3y | ieatlint, your'e lurking in qt-maemo! help! lol | 23:12 |
| ieatlint | looking.. | 23:13 |
| * NooBmonk3y forgot the please ;) | 23:13 | |
| Termana | And libqtBillyMays-advertisements-dev has disappeared | 23:13 |
| NooBmonk3y | pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease | 23:13 |
| Termana | Maybe that was some bad humour. Plus they may still run his ads :p | 23:14 |
| * trumee filed a bug, https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6661&group_id=1528&atid=5521 | 23:14 | |
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| MohammadAG | my LCD has... some kind of black line in it | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | line it has water in it or something | 23:27 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: LCDs have a layer of oil inbetween the glass and the backlight diffuser, sometimes the oil concetrates in certain areas and makes artifacts like that. | 23:29 |
| alterego | You should send it to care :( | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | there is no care lol | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | And I'm sure I voided my warranty by disassembling it | 23:30 |
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| alterego | You probably caused it then :P | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | nah | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't disassemble the screen | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> line it has water in it or something || like* | 23:37 |
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| NooBmonk3y | X-Fade, not that i was questioning but i think you found the main issue | 23:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-dev/ does not include http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-sensors/ | 23:51 |
| NooBmonk3y | so by including both would i be getting odd conflicts maybe :| | 23:51 |
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| NooBmonk3y | i feel i need to find and speak to this person! http://maemo.org/profile/view/gnuton/ | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 23:59 |
| NooBmonk3y | meh #maemo has gone to sleep :( | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | that's a fail really :P | 23:59 |
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