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| NooBmonk3y | ooo apart from MohammadAG ;) | 00:00 |
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| NooBmonk3y | fail? | 00:00 |
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| kerio | i'm awaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, not depending on libqtm-sensors | 00:01 |
| MohammadAG | add it to build depends | 00:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | evening kerio :) | 00:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ? | 00:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | i have | 00:01 |
| kerio | actually i'm going to sleep soon | 00:01 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 00:01 |
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| kerio | 20101130T2302+0200 here | 00:02 |
| kerio | er | 00:02 |
| kerio | 20101130T2302+0100 | 00:02 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| | 00:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | LOL! | 00:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | wondered where the build fail was....... | 00:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | Looks like autobuilder has hit december ;) https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-December/thread.html | 00:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev (>=4), libqtm-dev (>= 1), libqtm-systeminfo (>= 1), libqtm-sensors (>= 1) | 00:03 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | is there a meego sdk? | 00:18 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: not yet (that I know of) | 00:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ask on #meego | 00:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | also, alterego made a MADDE sysroot for MeeGo | 00:22 |
| Venemo_N900 | and I'm pretty sure some folks have a Scratchbox target for it too | 00:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | meh, nuevasync are quitting their free service | 00:47 |
| Shapeshifter | now I'm without google calendar syncing. | 00:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | well I guess 15$/year isn't much. | 00:48 |
| Shapeshifter | but kinda silly | 00:48 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good evening guys | 01:21 |
| Venemo_N900 | goodbye | 01:21 |
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| jkm | just a quick question.. | 01:44 |
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| jkm | I started of with maemo today...because i wanted to compile "things" to my qemu arm compiled linux...it should be possible to use maemo with such an emulated device, right? (or have I completely misunderstood) | 01:45 |
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| Leakyug | can anybody help me out? | 03:29 |
| Leakyug | i get an error while reflashing.. | 03:29 |
| Leakyug | Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA FIASCO subimage data length mismatch | 03:29 |
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| Leakyug | this is the error | 03:29 |
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| lolloo | pidgin on N900 latest versio n 2.2.7 is not working for me | 04:32 |
| lolloo | am using msn protocol on it | 04:33 |
| lolloo | but doesn't seem to work ever! | 04:33 |
| lolloo | sorry version 2.7.7 | 04:38 |
| lolloo | it fails to connect to my msn account! | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | Does desktop pidgin work???/ | 04:38 |
| lolloo | oh come on don'tsay that. | 04:39 |
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| comawhite | SpeedEvil, for me it does | 04:42 |
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| lolloo | I wish i never knew MSN! | 04:44 |
| lolloo | crappy service. | 04:44 |
| ham5 | good ol microsoft | 04:49 |
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| Texrat | can't believe meego and maemo are empty... | 05:07 |
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| ieatlint | empty? | 05:09 |
| ham5 | empty he says | 05:10 |
| ieatlint | yeah, look at what lcuk said... most people in here are in the europe, where it's 3-5am :P | 05:10 |
| ham5 | 404 = empty | 05:10 |
| ieatlint | 404 means not found | 05:10 |
| ham5 | maemo is not found | 05:11 |
| lcuk | 405 asleep | 05:11 |
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| ieatlint | 418 is where it counts | 05:11 |
| ham5 | no thats 420 | 05:11 |
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| ieatlint | nah, 420 is actually 204 | 05:12 |
| ieatlint | success, but there's nothing there | 05:12 |
| ham5 | 204!!?? | 05:13 |
| * ham5 lost | 05:13 | |
| ieatlint | you're hte one who brought up http codes | 05:13 |
| ham5 | no? | 05:14 |
| ham5 | u did... | 05:14 |
| ham5 | 200 | 05:14 |
| ieatlint | you said 404 | 05:14 |
| ham5 | channel count was 404.... | 05:14 |
| ieatlint | oh, haha | 05:15 |
| ham5 | lay off the lint | 05:15 |
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| luke-jr | ham5: everyone else here thought you meant 404 HTTP | 05:15 |
| * lcuk did too | 05:15 | |
| ham5 | 200 http | 05:16 |
| ieatlint | don't tell me what to do, i can quit whenever i want | 05:16 |
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| ieatlint | i'm in total control, i just don't want to | 05:16 |
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| Texrat | well it LOOKED empty for a minute there! | 05:29 |
| ham5 | well mabey use a real irc client... | 05:29 |
| Texrat | feh | 05:29 |
| Texrat | web client works well enough :p | 05:29 |
| ham5 | sure mr mac | 05:30 |
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| Texrat | Mac??? | 05:30 |
| Texrat | I'm on MeeGo | 05:30 |
| Texrat | never used a mac | 05:30 |
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| Jay_BEE | netbook or handset? | 05:30 |
| ham5 | seen apple webkit.. sorry my bad | 05:30 |
| ham5 | mr chrome | 05:30 |
| Texrat | netbook | 05:30 |
| Texrat | Lenovo ideapad, thank YOU Intel :) | 05:31 |
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| Jay_BEE | yeah... that ideapad is lookin' quite tasty | 05:31 |
| Texrat | go to bed lcuk | 05:31 |
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| Jay_BEE | finally! i am able to deploy a qt quick app using qt creator 2.1 to my n900! w00t!!! | 06:13 |
| ptl | oh no! | 06:14 |
| * Jay_BEE glows with the power | 06:14 | |
| luke-jr | kowai | 06:15 |
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| Macer | damn | 06:35 |
| Macer | i wish all the hw worked in nitdroid. i would love to stay inm it | 06:35 |
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| MohammadAG | morning | 06:39 |
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| Macer | hey | 06:40 |
| Macer | sigh. guess i should get badck into maemo before i get too comfortable with nitdroid just to wipe it later when .9 comes out :( | 06:41 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTH0k9PYBBk << i think the archos 70 is omap3530, with available drivers for linux kernel | 06:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=teheran+airport&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=60.246331,66.269531&ie=UTF8&hq=airport&hnear=Tehran,+Iran&ll=35.696168,51.318984&spn=0.001917,0.003404&t=h&z=19 | 06:52 |
| pupnik | going on vacation SpeedEvil ? | 06:53 |
| SpeedEvil | No - look at the location, and then work out what symbol they most dissaprove of. | 06:53 |
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| Macer | haha | 07:07 |
| Macer | pupnik: all of them say linux drivers are available then in the end nothing works lol | 07:08 |
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| pupnik | i don't know how to build a bootable linux OS on a device like this | 07:08 |
| pupnik | but it looks like these are very good candidates for meego. very good... | 07:09 |
| pupnik | what do you think, Macer | 07:09 |
| Macer | dont know tbh. havent tried meego out yet | 07:09 |
| Macer | i am just hoping they get all the n900 hardware working | 07:10 |
| pupnik | what do you think of the archos 70? | 07:10 |
| Macer | once they do the n900 will be something worth having :) | 07:10 |
| Macer | havent looked into it | 07:10 |
| Macer | it is probably another horrible touchbook heh | 07:10 |
| Macer | with its advertised 12+ hours of battery time that was really 3 | 07:11 |
| pupnik | it is 2x price of cheapest android 1.6 tablet and 1/2 the price of the samsung tablet | 07:11 |
| pupnik | i see reports of 10+ hours | 07:11 |
| Macer | :) i am done trying out no name stuff without waiting for others to suffer through it | 07:11 |
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| Macer | you get what you pay for | 07:12 |
| Macer | brb. going to boot into maemo | 07:12 |
| pupnik | no sometimes more, sometimes less | 07:12 |
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| pupnik | cheers | 07:12 |
| Macer | i hope nitdroid can become fully functional on the n900 | 07:12 |
| Macer | anything really considering the state of maemo | 07:12 |
| pupnik | what? its good | 07:13 |
| pupnik | if i compare to 770, n800 | 07:13 |
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| Macer | heh | 07:16 |
| Macer | hardware wise it is becoming older by the day | 07:16 |
| Macer | so i just hope something fully functional comes along | 07:16 |
| Macer | like a working meego or nitdroid... although after trying nitdroid i think i would rather use that.. but i cant really judge until i have tried meego out | 07:17 |
| Macer | but meego install looks complicated right now. i may try it out tomorrow when i have the time | 07:17 |
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| Macer | after i back my phone up | 07:17 |
| Jay_BEE | [21:09]<Macer>dont know tbh. havent tried meego out yet <--- seems to blinded by nitdroid hehe | 07:17 |
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| Macer | hahaha | 07:31 |
| Macer | Jay_BEE: yeah.. nitdroid is pretty awesome | 07:31 |
| Macer | i just think that android overall has done a much better job of truly becoming an iphone alternative | 07:31 |
| MohammadAG | nitdroid is an awesome project, android itself otoh... | 07:31 |
| MohammadAG | k, it's better than iShit | 07:32 |
| Macer | and i could care less if anybody disagrees with me butapple set the trend witgh the iphone | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | grrrrr, killed my kde4 menubar | 07:32 |
| Macer | regardless of the technical issues associated with it.. everybody has been playing catch up with the iphone | 07:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | can anybody help me out please? how do I start what has been kicker in KDE3? | 07:33 |
| Macer | sorry. dont know. i havent used kde3 since my n800 | 07:33 |
| Macer | :) | 07:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | errr k | 07:34 |
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| pupnik | no. not at all. apple made a crippled, locked-down Personal Money Extractor | 07:37 |
| pupnik | if the bright colors and the smooth animations is all you see, there are more appropriate communities for that | 07:38 |
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| Macer | pupnik: the actual experience was groundbreaking tho | 07:40 |
| Macer | all the smooth animations and the touch screen etc | 07:41 |
| Macer | show me a company that still makes shitty non touch screen phones as their flagship | 07:41 |
| Macer | :) | 07:41 |
| Macer | all phone companies followed suit | 07:42 |
| pupnik | all the maemo people should have gotten promotions at nokia | 07:42 |
| pupnik | for seeing the future before the rest | 07:42 |
| pupnik | and the rest should now be working for the maemo people | 07:42 |
| Macer | nokia.. lg... samsung... htc.... all touch screens using android to have something to oppose the iphone which took off on them all | 07:43 |
| pupnik | and that change should have happened 2008-2009 | 07:43 |
| Macer | only thing that kept apple from cornering the market was att | 07:43 |
| Macer | pupnik: nokia thought they would sit on the throne forever | 07:43 |
| Macer | :) | 07:43 |
| pupnik | yes that is the nature of the market | 07:43 |
| pupnik | it is wonderful | 07:43 |
| Macer | only thing keeping them viable are their shitty burn phones | 07:44 |
| pupnik | what is a 'burn' phone | 07:44 |
| Macer | who do you know that actually says "mmmm... n8" hahaha | 07:44 |
| Macer | even the n900 had a niche market | 07:44 |
| Choom | on purpose | 07:44 |
| Macer | a cheap phone | 07:44 |
| pupnik | n8 is king of the cameraphones | 07:45 |
| Macer | n8 runs shitian | 07:45 |
| Macer | :) nobody wants a symbian phone nowadays | 07:45 |
| Macer | burn phones are those cheap throwaway phones | 07:45 |
| Choom | the n900 targeted a specific crowd, it's not attempting to compete with anything else and there's really no competition in its own groupd | 07:46 |
| Macer | Choom: agreed | 07:46 |
| Choom | apple was kinda happy go lucky with the whole ipod/pc/iphone thing | 07:46 |
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| Macer | Choom: agreedthe n8 is supposed to gain ground | 07:46 |
| Macer | nokia has a line of high end phones that nobody wants over htc and apple stuff | 07:46 |
| Macer | because symbian sucks :) | 07:46 |
| Choom | they can thank their grows to two things: the ipod and their monopolistic behavior with their marketplace that for some reason hasn't been punished yet | 07:47 |
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| Choom | growth* | 07:47 |
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| Macer | it doesnt suck... but it sucks to use to most who have ipos or android to choose from | 07:47 |
| Macer | i dont think they are a monopoly | 07:47 |
| Macer | or using monopoly tactics.. people have choices | 07:48 |
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| Macer | :) | 07:48 |
| Choom | you know I find it kind of amusing that microsoft is heavily punished for distributing a browser with the OS and not promoting interoperability | 07:48 |
| Macer | me too. i dont think ms should have been | 07:48 |
| Choom | when apple is allowed to own exclusivity and monopolize a single software market for their own phones | 07:48 |
| Macer | at the time tho ms was running on like 99%@ | 07:49 |
| Macer | there are clear alternatives to using an iphone... simply dont | 07:49 |
| Macer | unlike the pc market where ms was pretty much all there was as apple was on the ropes for years | 07:50 |
| Macer | and linux was an absolute infant | 07:50 |
| Choom | if, as a developer, I wanted to write ann application for the iphone, I would only have their market place to sell it; if as a customer I wanted an alternative to their marketplace (because of stupid policies forbidden emulators, for instance) I can't, so by buying a product I am then vendor-locked | 07:51 |
| Macer | either way.... the whole point is that apple set the phone trend for the last 5+ years with the iphone | 07:51 |
| Macer | and nokia has constantly dropped the ball to catch up | 07:51 |
| Macer | while no names like htc are taking a front seat :) | 07:51 |
| Choom | I agree with that, I really did not understand the point behind symbian on the N8 | 07:52 |
| Choom | seriously | 07:52 |
| pupnik | htc is a formidable company | 07:52 |
| Macer | before they werent | 07:52 |
| pupnik | Choom: symbian has a massive investment behind it | 07:52 |
| Macer | the G1 catapaulted them into fame | 07:52 |
| Macer | pupnik: i know | 07:52 |
| Choom | but it's not a smart decision | 07:52 |
| Macer | which is why nokia wont ditch it | 07:52 |
| Choom | it doesn't make sense | 07:52 |
| Jay_BEE | if and when MeeGo and Qt fully come around, it should be game over for both Android and iOS | 07:53 |
| Macer | they are falling behind because nobody wants to say .. hey.. all that money we spent was useless | 07:53 |
| Macer | symbian is a dead os | 07:53 |
| Macer | worthless and unattractive to devs and users | 07:54 |
| pupnik | it's a better OS for smartphone for current cpu and power profile | 07:54 |
| Choom | perhaps the N8 should have been delayed until meego was ready then | 07:54 |
| Macer | pupnik: of course.. i am not saying it is a bad os on the technical side | 07:54 |
| pupnik | not everyone wants a phone that runs down in a few hours | 07:54 |
| Macer | but still worthless ;) | 07:54 |
| Choom | because, quite frankyl, i don't see anybody out there excited about the N8 | 07:54 |
| pupnik | are you in the USA Choom ? | 07:55 |
| Choom | no | 07:55 |
| Choom | EU | 07:55 |
| pupnik | k | 07:55 |
| Macer | heh | 07:55 |
| Macer | ah well. gotta go now. | 07:55 |
| Macer | was nice talking ;) | 07:55 |
| pupnik | cu Macer | 07:56 |
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| Jay_BEE | l8r | 07:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | can anybody help me out please? how do I start the taskbar in KDE3? (that thing with clock, menu, miniapplets, systray.) I accidently killed the process | 07:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/kde3/kde4/ | 08:00 |
| pupnik | don't remember what it's called | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | executing 'kicker' gave me the kde3 version | 08:01 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, might be plasma something | 08:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aaah | 08:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | YEAH! plasma-desktop | 08:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks a lot, mate | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | still 10 konqueror windows and Konsole with 7 sessions vanished... grrr | 08:10 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, np | 08:10 |
| pupnik | board-n810.c board-rx51.c board-archos-a70h.c | 08:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while opening a new Konsole (==KDE xterm) says "bash (2)" :-P | 08:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha it hides on desktop-2 | 08:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but the konqueror windows definitely are gone | 08:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, no loss. I tried to attach a file to a tmo post - from sftp://root@N900. This made konqueror fileselector rape my CPU(s) | 08:16 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, filed this, https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6661&group_id=1528&atid=5521 | 08:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha, clicking the link, konqui says "last session aborted abnormally! restore?" :-D | 08:17 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, yes it will restore all the open sessions | 08:17 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, sad to see power kernel not working well here. i need NAT support in the kernel :( | 08:19 |
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| * DocScrutinizer51 considers a kernel build service, with a web frontend to click-select config option and patches | 08:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with a paypal account to pay 2 bucks per build | 08:45 |
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| pupnik | nice | 08:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, maybe 0.99 | 08:49 |
| pupnik | with a cache rebate if they resubmit a job within 1 hr | 08:51 |
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| pupnik | haha | 08:51 |
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| RobbieThe1st | That would be a good idea | 08:51 |
| * RST38h greps irc log for "doomed", finds surprisingly many references | 08:52 | |
| slonopotamus | meh | 08:52 |
| derf | I've only got 10 from this channel. | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | maah | 08:53 |
| pupnik | i can't believe how nicely balanced that Archos 70 is | 08:53 |
| slonopotamus | there are libwebkit-dev and libwebkit-1.0-dev in maemo. i have only one question: WTF??? | 08:53 |
| RST38h | derf: I have not expected to find more than two | 08:53 |
| derf | In here? | 08:54 |
| derf | I'd've expected a lot more. | 08:54 |
| RST38h | #maemo + #meego | 08:54 |
| RST38h | anyways, work | 08:55 |
| slonopotamus | maemo is doomed | 08:55 |
| slonopotamus | meego is doomed | 08:55 |
| slonopotamus | derf: here you are two more | 08:55 |
| pupnik | I baked you a cake but it was doomed | 08:56 |
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| slonopotamus | doom is doomed? | 08:57 |
| * slonopotamus iddqd | 08:58 | |
| slonopotamus | w/e, that doesn't answer my webkit question | 08:58 |
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| slonopotamus | by the way. all that "optification" stuff. why didn't they just symlink /usr/{lib,share} to /home/opt/usr/{lib,share} ? too easy? | 09:02 |
| kerio | slonopotamus: because that would make sense | 09:04 |
| kerio | we must prevent that | 09:04 |
| slonopotamus | oh :) | 09:05 |
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| kerio | (not to mention that nokia decided to reserve a 30gb vfat partition to linux nerds, so there's not enough space for all of dkpg on the emmc | 09:06 |
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| kerio | also speed) | 09:06 |
| slonopotamus | kerio: or, even, bind-mount /home/opt/usr -> /usr | 09:08 |
| kerio | that would be even better | 09:08 |
| kerio | alas, nokia is stupid | 09:08 |
| kerio | (see also messybox) | 09:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | because there are a few files in /usr/(s)bin that MUST be in /(s)bin instead | 09:16 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: we could... you know... | 09:17 |
| kerio | move them | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so maemo init process early will barf up on missing a few commands that are on a yet unmounted storage | 09:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: yes, don't tell me | 09:17 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: we could move them! | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | gues who created the factoid | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~optification | 09:18 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and ... | 09:18 |
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| kerio | infobot: <3 | 09:18 |
| infobot | I love you. <3 | 09:18 |
| kerio | ~botsnack | 09:18 |
| infobot | thanks, kerio | 09:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo optification | 09:19 |
| infobot | optification -- created by DocScrutinizer <~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Mar 15 10:29:39 2010 (260 days); last modified at Sat Sep 18 13:26:19 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 50 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 45s ago. | 09:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, I added doomcake to my active vocabulary | 09:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I haz make doomcake for you, but it eated me | 09:26 |
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| Miesco | Do you get the n900 from your phone provider? | 10:23 |
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| pupnik | most people order them online Miesco | 10:25 |
| Miesco | pupnik: Like will it be compatible with telus in canada? | 10:28 |
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| pupnik | "According to previous discussions (search for N900 in Canada - Toronto), the Bellus network will not work for data on the N900. Bell/Telus are still using 850/1900 frequencies, and their networks are apparently 3G only, so they won't drop back to EDGE 2.5G data. That means you can only use the N900 as a regular GSM phone on their networks, not for any data. The iPhone uses the 850/1900 bands for 3G, which is why it works." | 10:30 |
| pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35970 | 10:30 |
| pupnik | http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1624774-Can-the-Nokia-N900-be-used-on-the-%28Rogers-3G%29-network | 10:31 |
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| BCMM | north america's cellular networks are hilarious | 10:31 |
| pupnik | http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ | 10:31 |
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| BCMM | i mean, stuff isn't perfect in europe, but at least hardware basically works, everywhere | 10:32 |
| pupnik | i have no idea how we got so lucky | 10:33 |
| BCMM | i assumed it all got standardised at some point | 10:35 |
| BCMM | except in north america | 10:35 |
| * BCMM pokes fun at 60hz a bit | 10:35 | |
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| Miesco | What is G3? | 10:38 |
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| auenf | its a pontiac model? | 10:39 |
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| BCMM | a rifle, an obsolete Apple computer, the T-Mobile G3 mobile phone? | 10:39 |
| BCMM | context, please | 10:39 |
| Miesco | phone | 10:40 |
| auenf | G3 or 3G? | 10:40 |
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| BCMM | Miesco: it's a smartphone, probably android, locked to t-mobile | 10:40 |
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| pupnik | we had the original angry birds! | 10:41 |
| pupnik | <powerchord> | 10:41 |
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| BCMM | the G1 was a version of hte HTC Dream branded by t-mob, dunno if the g3 has another name | 10:41 |
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| pupnik | i'm still psyched about how well archos nailed the A70s | 10:42 |
| BCMM | heh, it looks just like an iphone but with the metal bits replaced with a nasty shade of blue | 10:42 |
| BCMM | which is probably an improvement, unless blue is electrically conductive | 10:43 |
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| BCMM | is the n900's AV port capable of using a handsfree that also plays stereo music, or do handsfrees have to be mono? | 10:44 |
| ds3 | is there a simple way of downloading the .deb for angry birds? | 10:44 |
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| phellarv | ds3: Nope | 10:45 |
| ds3 | BAH | 10:45 |
| ds3 | then it might as well not exist. | 10:46 |
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| Miesco | Sorry 3G | 10:47 |
| Miesco | I meant 3G | 10:47 |
| Miesco | Like the telephony standards or whatever | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | yes | 10:48 |
| Miesco | Is it like GSM with data? | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | no | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | there is lot of incompatible "3g" standards | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | umts, hsdpa, cdma, hsupa | 10:48 |
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| jacekowski | wcdma | 10:48 |
| BCMM | Miesco: no, you can send data of gsm | 10:49 |
| BCMM | Miesco: 3g, or at least some things called 3g, are a bit like "GSM 2", as it were | 10:49 |
| Miesco | " That means you can only use the N900 as a regular GSM phone on their networks, not for any data." | 10:49 |
| BCMM | data over 2g (gsm) is slow, but sometimes usable | 10:50 |
| BCMM | can anyone recommend a stereo hands-free that doesn't have in-ear things? i'm looking for ones that attach with clips like these: http://head-direct.com/upload/2008Oct12222217006.jpg | 10:50 |
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| Miesco | So is the Nokia N900 locked to a certain provider? | 10:51 |
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| jacekowski | it can be | 10:52 |
| jacekowski | nobody does it | 10:52 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:52 |
| Miesco | So is it the software that locks you to one provider or is it the SIM card? | 10:53 |
| jacekowski | it's software | 10:53 |
| BCMM | Miesco: but nobody actually does it - you can't get a locked one | 10:54 |
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| jacekowski | BCMM: you can | 10:54 |
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| BCMM | jacekowski: oh, how? | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | n900 can be locked | 10:54 |
| BCMM | also, if it's a software thing, it's it hilariously easy to fix? | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | no | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | it's in rapuyama software | 10:54 |
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| MohammadAG | don't vodafone lock it? | 10:54 |
| Miesco | Okay so you should never get a locked phone? | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | it's up to you | 10:55 |
| Miesco | Like if you get an android is it always going to be locked? | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | no | 10:55 |
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| jacekowski | that has nothing to do with it | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | it's operator policy | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | if they want to lock their phones or not | 10:56 |
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| jacekowski | and phone has software to enforce their will | 10:56 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: i thought vodaphone just shipped it with their own maemo image, and everyone immediately reflashed a proper one? | 10:56 |
| Miesco | Do north american providers purposly allow for unlocked phones to use their network? | 10:57 |
| RST38h | moorning | 10:58 |
| BCMM | i'm not sure you can prevent unlocked phones using your network | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: there are simlocked N900 | 10:59 |
| BCMM | however, some providers might not sell any contracts without a phone, meaning that it would always be a kinda expensive way to do things | 10:59 |
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| Miesco | BCMM: What do you mean? | 11:08 |
| BCMM | Miesco: to which bit? | 11:08 |
| Miesco | contracts without phones | 11:08 |
| BCMM | Miesco: i meant, some networks might not sell you a simcard without a phone | 11:08 |
| Miesco | Is that evil? | 11:09 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Really [simlocked N900s]? I remember being told by Ari Jaaksi (amongst others) that it just plain didn't support it. | 11:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nah, sure rapuyama supports it. The cellmo firmware also seems to support it as I've seen several N900 offers on ebaeh that were very clearly and precisely described as either sim- or net-locked | 11:14 |
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| Miesco | Does n900 support aws? | 11:15 |
| crashanddie | nope | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | never saw a girl go "awww" for an n900 as she goes for a puppy | 11:16 |
| crashanddie | unless there's a picture of a puppy on the n900 | 11:16 |
| Miesco | WHAT? | 11:16 |
| Miesco | Advanced Wireless Services | 11:17 |
| crashanddie | still won't make a girl go "awww" | 11:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | whatever that is | 11:18 |
| pupnik | we still don't have teleporters | 11:18 |
| Miesco | "I don't think that Bell, Telus, or Rogers has made any use of their newly purchased AWS spectrum, so for the moment, your only choice for data is 2.5G EDGE" | 11:18 |
| pupnik | OR personal spaceships | 11:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 11:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | no the N900 doesn't suppurt any unusual spectrum | 11:19 |
| Miesco | n900 doesn't support 3G? | 11:19 |
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| pupnik | no | 11:20 |
| Miesco | 3G is unusually? | 11:20 |
| Miesco | unusual | 11:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | heh | 11:20 |
| Miesco | Was this a stupid question? | 11:20 |
| pupnik | it does support 3G bands | 11:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 11:21 |
| Miesco | How do you find out what 3G and specturms are | 11:21 |
| Miesco | I dont know a lot about it | 11:21 |
| Miesco | at all | 11:22 |
| Miesco | Like anything | 11:22 |
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| pupnik | In your situation, i would investigate which networks and carriers are available to you | 11:22 |
| Miesco | Whats a carrier? | 11:22 |
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| Miesco | Like bell? | 11:22 |
| pupnik | Why are you interested in the N900? | 11:22 |
| pupnik | yes | 11:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534&cache=-1330914247§ion_id=562&culture=de-DE | 11:22 |
| Miesco | pupnik: cause I want to develop the kernel | 11:23 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Miesco: You know stuff about the Linux kernel? | 11:23 |
| Miesco | RobbieThe1st: Yes | 11:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Miesco: you also ever heard about google and wikipedia? | 11:24 |
| Miesco | DocScrutinizer: Yes | 11:24 |
| Miesco | Ii searched them, but they expect some knowledge to understand anything | 11:24 |
| Miesco | Which I dont have | 11:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3g | 11:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, first - I would ignore 3G. Yes, it's there, but do you even care about the extra speed, or will you use Wifi for most data> | 11:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | It makes choosing a provider much simpler - all you need is GSM compatibility. | 11:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS | 11:26 |
| Miesco | Well I want to use the phone also | 11:26 |
| pupnik | GSM = phone (voice) | 11:27 |
| Miesco | Like to surf the internet | 11:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 11:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | GSM is going to be voice, and what... very slow data, correct? | 11:27 |
| Miesco | Yes | 11:27 |
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| crashanddie | RobbieThe1st, compare it to a CD | 11:29 |
| crashanddie | RobbieThe1st, to play an audio CD, you need a 1X CD drive. That gives you an output of roughly 1MBit/s | 11:30 |
| crashanddie | Which also means that copying a full CD's data off to your hard drive would take you... 80 minutes | 11:31 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Yes, I know all that. My question was whether 2g data fell under the GSM spec, or if it was a different spec, | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2G data is GSM/GPRS, yes | 11:32 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm... so the GSM standard uses GPRS for it's underlying data protocol, and then you have data/voice-packets on top of that..? | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | while 3G is UMTS | 11:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | RobbieThe1st: kinda, yes | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | Or are the encoded voice packets sent over a different system? | 11:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | voice packets are not over GPRS but rather side-by-side to it | 11:35 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah | 11:35 |
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| RobbieThe1st | So, a carrier could have GSM service with no GPRS setup, and you'd get voice but no data of any kinfd | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | while old school CSD is data over vice band | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | voice* | 11:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, in theory that'd be possible | 11:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | otoh MMS are over GPRS, so it's quite likely every carrier supports GPRS | 11:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | UMTS is a bit different iirc | 11:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | ah | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there iirc voice are actually a special form of data packets | 11:39 |
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| pupnik | wasn't some high-school student involved in inventing UMTS? | 11:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's always a (ex) highschool student involved at some point in time, in any project | 11:40 |
| pupnik | hm http://www.wallstreet-online.de/diskussion/199528-1-10/achtung-umts-durch-jugendforscht-ueberholt | 11:43 |
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| Guest98291 | DocScrutinizer: lol | 11:47 |
| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, GSM/GPRS/EGPRS: GSM is voice, and if active, suspends data. GPRS is data with about 1KB/s up and 4KB/s down. EGPRS can get to 20KB/s down. Both of them have hurtful latency, usually in the 200-400ms range on ping. | 11:49 |
| RobbieThe1st | Makes sense. | 11:50 |
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| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA: UMTS is 8KB/s up, 40KB/s down, latency similar to GPRS. HSDPA speeds download up to 7.2MBit/s (in practice in Austria/Germany I usually managed downloads up to 200KB/s), and it lowers the latency to (just measured) around 80ms. HSUPA is the upstream speedup, sorry no idea what the max is, I think something like 1-2mbit/s. | 11:54 |
| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, The difference is that GPRS was an afterthought for GSM, UMTS was built with data in mind from the start. UMTS does not interrupt data while voice is active. | 11:55 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Interesting. I've never been able to use 3G(nor GPRS really), due to not having a data plan | 11:55 |
| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, the latency thing you'd notice with online games and if you try to use say ssh interactively. | 11:55 |
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| Guest98291 | What shall I say. | 11:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | I've been on satellite internet(1s ping), I know what that's like. | 11:56 |
| Guest98291 | The US are slightly different then the rest of the world and not necessary better when it comes to mobile communication. | 11:56 |
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| chem|st | Guest98291: the ssh latency is pissing ppl off ;) my provider is kind of lower ping than the others | 11:57 |
| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, anyway, my experience is for a mobile like the N900, if you are on the run, EGRPS is the best comprise in usability (webpages usually load fast enough) and battery lifetime. | 11:57 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Just learn to type "blind"; A bit of a pain, but it works. And yea, that would make sense | 11:57 |
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| Guest98291 | chem|st, don't think so, I mean most people associate Internet still with the IE icon, ... | 11:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's what, 2.5G according to the phone? | 11:58 |
| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, yeah, but you need to have an active data connection to see it. If you have no data connection, the phone shows only 2G. | 11:58 |
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| chem|st | Guest98291: well most of my friends buy those kind of phones to have a proper ssh client on the run | 11:59 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Not so in the US(Tmobile) - It will show 2.5g and 3G, but only provide access to(at best) T-mobile's "walled garden" micro-network. | 11:59 |
| Guest98291 | chem|st, that's what get me pissed of, my provider thinks it's enough to have GPRS/UMTS/HSDPA in cities, and upgrades the cities with LTE, but no EGPRS in the city for me :( | 11:59 |
| RobbieThe1st | So, I suppose technically I have data, but no data plan. Either way... | 11:59 |
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| chem|st | Guest98291: whats you rpovider | 11:59 |
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| Guest98291 | chem|st, well, the n900 is kind of a phone that you don't just happen to buy, you usually know you want that one :-P | 12:00 |
| Guest98291 | chem|st, A1 or to be exact bob (which is the discount branch "virtual network") in Austria. | 12:00 |
| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, take care, because you might have a pay-as-you-go data-plan with $ amounts per MB per default, ... | 12:01 |
| chem|st | Guest98291: sure the friends with n900 know what they bought and others have turned WinMo phones into droids... | 12:01 |
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| chem|st | Guest98291: I know them ;) | 12:01 |
| RobbieThe1st | Nah, I looked it up - I -am- on a pay-as-you-go plan, but as they don't let you have access to the open internet(on -any- port), they don't charge for it. | 12:02 |
| Guest98291 | RobbieThe1st, one of the popular things herearound some couple years ago were "branded" phones with a Internet (WAP) button that you could not reassign, which caused many people to dial in into WAP and pay a couple of Euros just for pressing the button by mistake. | 12:02 |
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| Guest98291 | chem|st, Well, let's be truthful, for an emergency (and that's all the kbd/display make sense for) one can live with GPRS. | 12:03 |
| chem|st | I live in Germany but am Austrian (Villach), my grandparents got 3 for the laptop which is good for data but the hell of a bill if you call once | 12:03 |
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| RobbieThe1st | That sounds like something that would happen in the US, aside from the fact that over here data is almost always sold as part of a monthly package, and not per-mb either | 12:04 |
| yacc | Sigh, nickserv likes me again ;) | 12:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | Why charge people a few $ when you can make them pay $50/month minimum, then cut them off if they ever use more than 5GB in a month? | 12:04 |
| yacc | chem|st, Well, 3 is not so cool, they've got only UMTS. (Hence as a phone provider they suck no battery saving GSM offered, they don't want to talk if the GSM-roaming with A1 is still working). The only cool part about 3.at is "3-like-home", if you happen to be in a country with a 3 network. | 12:05 |
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| yacc | chem|st, like me who has to be in the UK from time to time. | 12:06 |
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| chem|st | yacc: for the "globe" button was a workaround quiet easy, deaktivated its use on several phones and turned of 3G networking, people were fascinated by 100% more battery life and a nice picture of a cat showing when they accidentially hit the globe button | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yacc: what's wrong with nickserv? you know about `/ns ghost` and `/ns release` ? | 12:07 |
| yacc | chem|st, actually, in Vienna at a good place (a couple dozen meters above ground), A1 normally does HSDPA with around 200KB/s while 3 (I had a prepaid SIM to use up) did only UMTS :( | 12:07 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: no idea why it named be Guest..... | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | yacc: I guess you have an enforcer enabled on your nick | 12:08 |
| chem|st | yacc: they got hsdpa like always | 12:08 |
| yacc | DocScrutinizer: yeah but xchat autoidentifies. | 12:08 |
| yacc | chem|st, yeah, depends upon your place, but UMTS only in Vienna is not necessarily a good sign. | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | yacc: that's bad yes | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yacc: hmm, only if you correctly ghost, otherwise you can't reuse the nick | 12:09 |
| myu | my camera stopped working out of the blue | 12:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also auto-id works best via server-identification | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | authentication* | 12:10 |
| chem|st | myu: anything like hdrcapture blessn900 or alike installed? | 12:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ""server password: 'user:passwd' "" | 12:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | myu: update your fcam pkg from extras-devel | 12:11 |
| yacc | RobbieThe1st, the situation that somehow made me intuitively was when about 10 years ago, I went out with some friends of my cousin in Canada, and these "young-adults" where using payphones to coordinate. While I had a mobile roaming in my jacket. And it was not my first mobile so to say. | 12:12 |
| myu | ah nevermind | 12:12 |
| myu | a restore fixed it | 12:12 |
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| myu | Im pretty sure my fcam was up to date | 12:12 |
| myu | this phone isnt even a week old | 12:13 |
| myu | unless the update was this weekend | 12:13 |
| yacc | RobbieThe1st, some years ago I checked, Canadians had to pay more per MB data then me while roaming. Is that sick? | 12:13 |
| myu | also this might sound like a stupid question but how do I check what pr im on? | 12:13 |
| chem|st | myu: go settings -> about | 12:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | myu: settings -> about product | 12:14 |
| chem|st | 20.2010.36-2 is latest PR1.2 for all others go to tablets-dev and lookup the numbers... | 12:15 |
| chem|st | s/PR1.2/PR1.3/ | 12:15 |
| infobot | chem|st meant: 20.2010.36-2 is latest PR1.3 for all others go to tablets-dev and lookup the numbers... | 12:15 |
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| RobbieThe1st | yacc: Yea. | 12:15 |
| myu | ah im on pr 1.2 then | 12:15 |
| yacc | myu, what makes you think that phones in the store are uptodate concerning the software? | 12:15 |
| chem|st | myu: you saw the typo? | 12:16 |
| myu | oh | 12:16 |
| myu | pl 1.3 then | 12:16 |
| chem|st | 36-2 is PR1.3 | 12:16 |
| myu | I thought I had to install fcam yacc | 12:16 |
| myu | thats why I thought it was up to date | 12:16 |
| chem|st | myu: you dont have to | 12:16 |
| yacc | myu, the phone is produces some time before you get it, hence you get the version that was current then or even an older one. | 12:16 |
| myu | either way the problem is solved | 12:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | FUCK! my very first spam SMS: "to all FACEBOOK users..." THANKS asshole unknown, for telling facebook about my phone number >:-(( | 12:17 |
| chem|st | fcam is an additional/replacing software stack for camera, makes you capable of low level control | 12:18 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: have you send a private msg with your number to someone? | 12:18 |
| yacc | Wonder if they are allowed to do that in Germany without your consent, ... | 12:19 |
| chem|st | yacc: no they dont | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | sometimes I actually send emails that contain my private number | 12:19 |
| yacc | Verbraucherzentrale complaint or whatever they are called in Germany? | 12:19 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: well emails is another topic, as long as you have been intelligent enough to not give FB your email account details... | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, considering that | 12:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I never even touched FB | 12:20 |
| chem|st | then it is random, but sms do not go without number, tell verbraucherzentrale about it ;) | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 12:21 |
| chem|st | or someone else got you in google-contacts and allowed FB to read it ;) | 12:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe MyNokia... errhm *cough* | 12:22 |
| chem|st | facebook is known to be the first grade identity theft platform nowadays | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: that's what I guess has happened, so I said "thanks a*hole unknown..." | 12:23 |
| chem|st | I would give a large shout at the current call (cannot remember who) from privacy activists to FB | 12:24 |
| yacc | Well, actually SMS can come with a wrong sender shown, especially when they are sent abroad. | 12:25 |
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| yacc | chem|st, consider that there are websites that allow to send you SMS with your own number, ... | 12:26 |
| yacc | chem|st, so they have to fake that, e.g. sipgate.de when I remember right. | 12:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, this SMS came without phone number | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | "MCC GmbH" - nothing else | 12:29 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: https://www.bigbrotherawards.de/nominate | 12:30 |
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| chem|st | yacc: it is not allowed to commercially contact people in germany without valid phonenumber | 12:32 |
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| chem|st | since fall of 2009 | 12:32 |
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| BCMM | the problem with all laws saying you need to identify yourself is that if you don't identify yourself, they don't know who to blame | 12:34 |
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| myu | lol | 12:34 |
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| BCMM | even if they identify themselves by advertising their product, they can claim one of the advertising agencies must've been responsible even though they asked them not to | 12:39 |
| chem|st | BCMM: even then is the company responsible | 12:47 |
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| yacc | chem|st, yeah, it's not allowed, and how do you prevent it if it's send with the number of a prepaid SIM in Venezuala? | 12:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ... or with 'sending ''number''' = "MCC GmbH:" | 12:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas on maemo it's not really possible to look at raw data of an SMS - I hate that | 13:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, is facebook associated with Google? | 13:07 |
| zutesmog | no, if anything they are major rivals ;-) | 13:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 13:08 |
| Venemo_N900 | hi | 13:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's unlikely my major sin of 1 week ago which was asking google streetview to send me a coordinate per SMS, was the reason I get a SMS "To all FaceBook users: blablabla" now | 13:10 |
| _|Nix|_ | Venemo_N900: Solved that problem. I had a duplicate line in my debian/control ... very unintuitive error message though (== no error message - just FAILED). | 13:10 |
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| zutesmog | DocScrutinizer: I don't think its likely, but you never can tell ;-) Google recently barred facebook from using api's in google until facebook reciprocates. | 13:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | know what? it's the webpage of the handy repair center (MCC Nokia care) where my N900 was fixed :-S | 13:13 |
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| alterego | nyargh, bad nights' sleep, again. :( | 13:14 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, i find 5 hours of sleep enough to functions for 16h | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | function even | 13:17 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hehe | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL, those morons. "hello! Why do you send me spam SMS? I'm not amused! And - even worse - I'm not even a facebook user, so this SMS is double-stupid" A: "Oh, we couldn't know. What's your name and number? We'll delete you from that list" | 13:20 |
| rmrfchik | damn, my n900 woke me up in 5pm. Just because in last google sync all appointments moves earlier by 6 hours | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ 5 + 16 | 13:21 |
| infobot | 21 | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 13:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: rotfl | 13:23 |
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| krayon | Any major reason not to go to r1.3 on the N900? | 13:24 |
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| rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer: it's funny, but what to do now? can't fix it :( | 13:26 |
| rmrfchik | krayon: i got loop reboot with kernel-power, so now with stock kernel in 1.3 (and lost overclock) | 13:26 |
| myu | Ive read about netstory malfunctioning | 13:27 |
| myu | but I havent experienced that | 13:27 |
| krayon | rmrfchik: :S Not the most convincing argument for. Did you flash fresh? | 13:27 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what's a quick way to check battery life with i2cset? | 13:29 |
| rmrfchik | krayon: 1st try was OTA, next 3 was reflash | 13:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | rmrfchik: I guess messing around a bit with timezones on google and on N900 might fix it | 13:29 |
| rmrfchik | after reflash n900 restored app list from backup, reinstall kernel-power, fall into reboot loop | 13:29 |
| rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer51: hope so | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: err wut? quick way to make an omelette with a submarine? | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG | my bad, i2cget :P | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | not much better | 13:32 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: use dbus? | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can read out bq27200 notion f time-to-empty | 13:33 |
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| alterego | Or is this when you've killed bme? :) | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, bme is off | 13:33 |
| alterego | DBus probably wont work then :D | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hal won't work then | 13:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: check bq27200.sh | 13:37 |
| myu | is there some way to make shortcuts open multiple instances of a program | 13:38 |
| myu | instead of just switching to the app | 13:38 |
| alterego | myu: that depends a lot on the app, and most aren't like that. | 13:39 |
| myu | xterm? | 13:39 |
| myu | I can get xterm to run twice by opening another app that runs in it | 13:39 |
| alterego | I just use the keyboard shortcut for xterm. | 13:39 |
| alterego | Don't have a desktop shortcut. | 13:39 |
| myu | oh shit | 13:40 |
| myu | thanks | 13:40 |
| myu | that works great | 13:40 |
| pupnik | myu: yes i modified the xterm desktop thingy to open multiple xterms | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | myu: that's a funny finding | 13:40 |
| pupnik | default behavior is bad | 13:40 |
| alterego | Though I do have a power menu button that opens an ssh connection to my main server. | 13:40 |
| myu | well how do you do that? pupnik | 13:41 |
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| pupnik | i copied the desktop shortcut to a new file and started mucking with it | 13:41 |
| pupnik | don't have the file anymore | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | myu: I guess you can bribe pupnik to tell you how to edit .desktop | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG | X multiple instances or something | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 13:42 |
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| pupnik | have to check that meego xterm displays all 16 colors properly | 13:43 |
| pupnik | can't break the roguelikes /again/ | 13:44 |
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| alterego | Urgh: "but I'm not a developper at all. | 13:50 |
| alterego | only a tech ingeneer" | 13:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | Start spamming porn? | 14:17 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, somehow I don't think MohammadAG meant against himself | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, i'll consider that | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, I did :p | 14:19 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, oh. Why, are you spending too much time on IRC and not enough on studying? :p | 14:19 |
| Termana | Do you want me to call your mum? | 14:19 |
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| sivang | alterego: heh | 14:21 |
| alterego | sivang: ? | 14:21 |
| alterego | Oh, that comment :D | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | Termana, part of the reason lol | 14:22 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Anything new on the SSU front? | 14:22 |
| sivang | alterego: ingeneer | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | sadly, no, no one's helping | 14:23 |
| sivang | alterego: but yes, that comment | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Sorry | 14:23 |
| alterego | :) | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I'd like to in principle, but... | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I can help if you happen to need snow for it. | 14:23 |
| * SpeedEvil gets a bubble-mailer. | 14:24 | |
| Termana | Snow? | 14:24 |
| Termana | Is that some kind of drug | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 14:24 |
| Termana | We don't get "snow" here | 14:24 |
| Termana | :p | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG | it's sunny here | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a drug which makes children go hyper, and grannies go hypo. | 14:24 |
| Termana | Well, I mean that's not entirely true. We kind of get snow in two locations. One of those being fake snow I think | 14:25 |
| Termana | They cut it with other stuff | 14:25 |
| Termana | :P | 14:25 |
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| myu | anything that opens .csv in n900? | 15:40 |
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| chem|st | vim | 15:41 |
| chem|st | myu: portabase | 15:42 |
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| myu | thats the first thing that came to mind | 15:43 |
| chem|st | myu: with vim and sid you can edit it quiet fast | 15:43 |
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| myu | its more for viewing | 15:44 |
| flux | gnumeric? | 15:44 |
| chem|st | cat | 15:44 |
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| myu | yeah cause portabase isnt seeing my file | 15:44 |
| myu | ill try gnumeric | 15:44 |
| myu | thanks | 15:44 |
| chem|st | myu: not on import? | 15:44 |
| chem|st | it is not a porta file but you may convert it to one | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | myu, http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Working_with_CSV_files | 15:45 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: handy! ;) | 15:46 |
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| alterego | SUCCESS! http://pastie.org/1338302 | 15:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: what did you do? | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode a N900 to a N900? | 15:56 |
| alterego | No | 15:56 |
| alterego | I exposed two new serial devices to a USB host when the N900 is connected via PC suite mode. | 15:57 |
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| alterego | So you have 2 serial devices you can use for serial comms, and the third is the pnatd connection. | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 15:57 |
| alterego | Just a 4 line addition to g_nokia kernel module. | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 15:57 |
| alterego | So now I can stream my NMEA data via serial :) | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh :-) | 15:58 |
| alterego | Obviously, this doesn't effect charging like Sts' method on tmo. | 15:58 |
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| alterego | But it does require this modified g_nokia.ko | 15:58 |
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| user8 | http://www.spmgame.de/partner.php?ID=268739 | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, affect charging? sts' method? | 15:59 |
| sivang | alterego: ? | 15:59 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if a simple mingetty should do the trick | 15:59 | |
| alterego | Stskeeps documented a while back how to create custom serial devices when using usb, but it requires rmmod'ing g_nokia and insmodding g_serial | 16:00 |
| alterego | Doing that stops usb charging. | 16:00 |
| sivang | ah right | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 16:00 |
| sivang | I've seen it myself when accidently remod | 16:00 |
| Shapeshifter | Mhh. Seems like google sync now works correctly for calendars with maemo 5 | 16:00 |
| sivang | _nokia | 16:00 |
| alterego | His mod also meant changes to initrd I believe. | 16:00 |
| Shapeshifter | well at least for 1 calendar | 16:00 |
| sivang | alterego: NMEA ? | 16:00 |
| alterego | Mine is just a .ko file. | 16:01 |
| Shapeshifter | bye bye nuevasync | 16:01 |
| alterego | sivang: it's the common GPS data format for serial communications. | 16:01 |
| sivang | Shapeshifter: there are some fixes going into buteo that probably helped this, I was following some mls | 16:01 |
| sivang | alterego: ah great | 16:01 |
| Shapeshifter | sivang: buteo? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you got source for g_nokia? | 16:01 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: it's in kernel tree. | 16:01 |
| alterego | upstream aswell. | 16:02 |
| sivang | nice | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 16:02 |
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| sivang | Shapeshifter: http://wiki.meego.com/Buteo/MTP | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: might want to have a look for the charging bits there | 16:02 |
| alterego | So, I think I'll make a custom mod, based on g_nokia (maybe g_columbus) which does what I need, when someone configures it in my app, it rmmods g_nokia and sticks mine in its' place. | 16:02 |
| sivang | Shapeshifter: AFAIU this buteo is used in Maemo as well | 16:02 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: there are a few references to power management yes. | 16:03 |
| sivang | alterego: so I need a gps that can do host mode and I can use the data from the phone? | 16:03 |
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| Shapeshifter | sivang: aha | 16:03 |
| alterego | sivang: no, you use the N900 as a GPS dongle for a computer ;) | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: mind to share the mxr URL? | 16:03 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: hang on I'll just get it. | 16:04 |
| sivang | alterego: so the I can use marble on the computer and have it get data from the phone? | 16:04 |
| sivang | better, depnding on the situation | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sivang: yes | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | assuming marble is a map app | 16:05 |
| alterego | sivang: yeah, my app also streams via bluetooth and UDP or TCP | 16:05 |
| alterego | Acting in both slave and master modes, or server/client modes | 16:06 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/nokia.c?force=1 | 16:06 |
| sivang | alterego: so what is it that you app does actually? just provide the data? | 16:06 |
| alterego | It should work with google earth too ;) | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | tnx | 16:06 |
| Corsac | sivang: it does the bluetooth/udp/tcp streaming | 16:06 |
| Corsac | sivang: while the module only does the serial one | 16:06 |
| Corsac | (afaiui) | 16:06 |
| alterego | sivang: that is one of it's primary functions, the other is it's a handheld GPS app: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900 has no NMEA to start with | 16:07 |
| alterego | Yeah, I format the information gained from Qt Mobility geolocation into NMEA sentences and stream over one of the above transports. | 16:07 |
| Corsac | alterego: and you do that in kernel-land too for the g_nokia stuff? | 16:08 |
| alterego | I'm now going to implement a USB serial dongle transport. | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | well maybe it actually has NMEA *somewhere* (inside cellmo) but you can't access it | 16:08 |
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| alterego | Corsac: no, network and bluetooth is user space. I just thought it'd be nice to be able to act like a USB serial GPS dongle as well. That's way the modified kernel module comes in. | 16:08 |
| alterego | As it creates two new serial devices for people to use when plugged in to a host. | 16:09 |
| Corsac | alterego: so you still need your app to run to feed the serial device? | 16:09 |
| alterego | Corsac: exactly. | 16:09 |
| Corsac | ok :) | 16:09 |
| alterego | Corsac: but my app is very power/processor friendly when not being actively viewed ;) | 16:09 |
| alterego | I got >4 hours streaming the other night when I left it on by accident, battery seamed about 75%, but don't quote me on that, I need to run proper power consumption tests ;) | 16:10 |
| alterego | s/seamed/seemed// | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: you might need an iconify mode, just like MohammadAG's h-e-n GUI | 16:10 |
| Corsac | (h-e-n?) | 16:10 |
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| sivang | h-e-n? | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 16:11 |
| infobot | well, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 16:11 |
| sivang | alterego: very very nice | 16:11 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I might, but it goes idle when in the background aswell. | 16:11 |
| sivang | alterego: I like the UI | 16:11 |
| sivang | alterego: all of this is QML? | 16:11 |
| alterego | So it would only be required if you wanted to clean up the task switcher ;) | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: background hmm | 16:11 |
| alterego | sivang: no, that's all Qt, I've been porting my widgets to QML though, gearing up to a MeeGo port, but at the moment my development efforts are making that stable, in plain Qt, for Maemo 5. | 16:12 |
| sivang | is there a way to run standartized power consumption tests for an app for maemo? | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: yeah, maybe on hildon an iconify mode is nonsense :-D | 16:12 |
| sivang | alterego: fair deal. looks nice, I like it. | 16:12 |
| sivang | iconfigy is like suppose dto make the app less power hungry when not in useD? | 16:13 |
| sivang | like, "don't draw or work now" | 16:13 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I can see it being useful to have a "daemon" mode, in which case a status bar applet would be awesome. But I really don't think it matters. | 16:13 |
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| alterego | And my UI is pretty, why would you not want it open? ^.^ | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 16:13 |
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| sivang | alterego: how did you come up with the compass UI? very nice and sort of smiilar to real compass, did you draw it? | 16:14 |
| alterego | sivang: not all apps, I wrote mine to disconnect UI updates when not running in the foreground. So in that case it just does it's configured datalogging tasks. | 16:14 |
| Corsac | alterego: it'd really nice to have it open :) | 16:14 |
| alterego | sivang: all custom widgets developed by me :P | 16:14 |
| alterego | To move between those displays you use your finger and swipe from right-to-left/left-to-right :) | 16:14 |
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| sivang | alterego: will it be open sourced? | 16:15 |
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| alterego | sivang: well, my plan was to sell it, but if I manage to get a job (had some progress with that now) I will probably release it open and into extras. | 16:15 |
| sivang | alterego: ah, nice, as I'd be interested to look at the widgets code :) | 16:16 |
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| alterego | Even if I was to sell it, I'd be happy to share some of the code anyway :P | 16:16 |
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| GAN900 | Why is it that the trend in input devices has to be towards crap. . . . | 16:18 |
| alterego | GAN900: ? | 16:18 |
| GAN900 | Logitech had reached the pinnacle of mice evolution with the MX Revolution | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | Then they had to go and make the next cheap and shitty. | 16:20 |
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| myu | they have to offer a cheaper alternative | 16:21 |
| myu | or is it the next in the MX line youre reffering to? | 16:21 |
| frank_ | hi, will installing applications manually via xterm (eg, wget) cause trouble? | 16:21 |
| alterego | And fuel their profit margins with goldilocks pricing schemes. | 16:21 |
| alterego | frank_: generally no. | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | The new MX line | 16:21 |
| alterego | frank_: just don't use it to perform system OTA updates, normal packages should be fine. | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | They got rid of buttons, they got rid of the revolutionary scroll wheel. | 16:22 |
| GAN900 | Now it's useless. | 16:22 |
| alterego | I couldn't live without my scrollwheel .. | 16:22 |
| frank_ | alterego: ok, thanks | 16:22 |
| chem|st | frank_: depends on what you install... | 16:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer pets his mx revolution | 16:23 | |
| chem|st | frank_: and if not optified it will fillup your root partition | 16:23 |
| sivang | GAN900: apple has come to a nice design I guess | 16:23 |
| myu | oh well thats just bad GAN | 16:23 |
| sivang | GAN900: its all touch, even on a mouse | 16:23 |
| myu | yeah you gotta be careful with extras_devel frank | 16:24 |
| alterego | sivang: I was lost using an Apple the other day .. | 16:24 |
| sivang | alterego: never managed to use it myself, but people here love it | 16:24 |
| alterego | I managed to get to grips with it. | 16:24 |
| alterego | But tap and hold really pisses me off on desktop machines .. | 16:24 |
| Corsac | well, the ultimate pointing device is the trackpoint anyway | 16:25 |
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| GAN900 | sivang, useless thing. | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | The touch gestures are awkward. | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, 2 finger swipe on trackpoint :-P | 16:27 |
| sivang | GAN900: true, but you know what they say "you can't innovate like apple" :) | 16:27 |
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| lcuk | sivang, theres only so many things you can do with just an apple, but given a well stocked larder and kitchen you can make a banquet | 16:29 |
| sivang | lcuk: heh, true | 16:30 |
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| lcuk | sivang, in the past, a group of coders got together, they were called the stone soup group - they wrote fractint together | 16:31 |
| lcuk | the idea behind the stone soup was that each person might have one single ingredient | 16:32 |
| lcuk | and if they were selfish, they might not have a great time | 16:32 |
| sivang | fractint! | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | but if they worked together and put their ingredients into the melting pot then the whole town would have an amazing soup | 16:32 |
| lcuk | :) a wonderful metaphor | 16:32 |
| sivang | indeed. | 16:33 |
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| sivang | I spent so many sleepless nights to see what other bizarre figures I coudl get out of this amazing piece of software | 16:35 |
| lcuk | sivang, :) i read the code and books on the subject from cover to cover many times before i had internet | 16:36 |
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| sivang | lcuk: my parents thought I went crazy sitting all night long, skipping high school or late, after staring at the glaring screen that took awfully lot of time to draw | 16:38 |
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| sivang | :) | 16:38 |
| lcuk | sivang, heh | 16:38 |
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| lcuk | the first time I drew mandelbrot set was after filling in code on my zx spectrum and waiting for 24hours for a black and white single static shot of the opening | 16:39 |
| lcuk | more recently, on the n810 I had a navigatable realtime rendering version in my hand :) | 16:40 |
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| sivang | lcuk: farout | 16:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha those French are incredibly silly! I got a german/french bilingua TV chan here. Announcement: title (german->en, for your convenience): "Living with Aids." Title(fr): "Good Bye SIDA" (sic!) | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not "Good Bye AIDS" neither "A bientot SIDA" | 16:45 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, there's a difference between literal translation and translation. | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's not been my point | 16:55 |
| crashanddie | what was it then? | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably I should have omitted the german title all together | 16:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the french funny habit to even translate well known acronyms, just to use them together with english then | 16:57 |
| * GAN900 shudders at disgusting chewers. | 16:57 | |
| crashanddie | oh | 16:57 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, probably because most people know what Good bye means, but not AIDS? | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | they're not supposed to know or even use "good bye" when they refuse to know AIDS or NATO | 16:59 |
| crashanddie | I really don't believe it's refusal, just chicken and egg problem | 17:00 |
| * MohammadAG sighs at people mounting mice | 17:00 | |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, gross. | 17:01 |
| myu | lool how would it even fit | 17:01 |
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| MohammadAG | I so want hen to detect if someone pressed mount when connecting a mouse, then show a hildon banner with "wtf?" in it | 17:01 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, or a message "dude, seriously?" | 17:01 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, do you have the same WTF when they connect a mouse and keyboard and plug into videoout? | 17:02 |
| lcuk | :) i think thats a perfectly viable/expected thing | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, you should see symbian's forums | 17:02 |
| lcuk | i like my sanity. | 17:03 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: my mouse emulates a hub and a pen drive | 17:03 |
| kerio | now what? | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | with people asking if it's possible to charge with old nokia chargers using the 3.5mm jack | 17:03 |
| kerio | hahahahaha | 17:03 |
| myu | lool | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | or "ATTENTION! your flurb got shnolook. Dump device in toilet, run, duck and cover! NOW!!" | 17:03 |
| kerio | (well, the ipod shuffle does *that*) | 17:03 |
| crashanddie | kerio & MohammadAG: http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/Converting_a_7800GT.jpg | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | /tmp's cleared on a reboot right? | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh god, LOL | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ROTFL | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gasp | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | hey javispedro | 17:10 |
| myu | thats a sensible answer | 17:10 |
| javispedro | moo | 17:10 |
| myu | if it doesnt fit | 17:10 |
| myu | make it fit | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~moohoho | 17:10 |
| infobot | rumour has it, moohoho is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t48kkwDhfw&NR=1 | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | myu, that's not how the IQ test works :P | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://mybroadband.co.za/photos/data/500/Converting_a_7800GT.jpg | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's plain gold :-D | 17:11 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, :) | 17:11 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: hehe. I've also seen the N64 cartridge version, long ago. | 17:12 |
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| javispedro | rumour has that the guy tried to return the "adapted" cartridge to the store because it won't boot his gameboy | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | my CF card doesn't work in the N900's microSD slot | 17:13 |
| Corsac | try adding lube | 17:14 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking of implementing a g_nokia like module that allows you to configure ACM serial ports on the fly from user space. What do you think? :) | 17:15 |
| alterego | I'll expose ACM serial ports and ECM ethernet over USB | 17:16 |
| javispedro | I always wonder why's that not a upstream feature. | 17:16 |
| myu | my 5 and 1/4 floppy doesnt fit in my n900 | 17:16 |
| myu | help please | 17:16 |
| sivang | Corsac: heh | 17:18 |
| javispedro | also note iirc windows has problems with composite devices being changed on the fly | 17:19 |
| sivang | javispedro: hey | 17:19 |
| javispedro | hello sivang | 17:20 |
| myu | hey has anyone here used magread? | 17:20 |
| myu | what kind of hardware does that require? | 17:21 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, another one that made me laugh: http://thereifixedit.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/129057249545630776.jpg | 17:21 |
| * javispedro bookmarks thereifixedit.com | 17:22 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahahahahaha | 17:22 |
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| Corsac | crashanddie: nice :) | 17:23 |
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| krayon | crashanddie: That's AWESOME! | 17:27 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 17:37 |
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| alterego | pong | 17:38 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: ? | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, see #146 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52239&page=15 | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | is QProcess causing that? | 17:42 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 17:43 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: looks like a fork bomb :P | 17:45 |
| alterego | You're opening too many processes. | 17:45 |
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| MohammadAG | o_O | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | it's only one process | 17:45 |
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| alterego | But you call it a load of times? | 17:46 |
| MohammadAG | nope, not that I remember that | 17:46 |
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| MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/keyboard-leds/vu | 17:46 |
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| BCMM | can someone check what parameters pulseaudio is run with? | 17:54 |
| BCMM | mine isn't autostarting, but i need to make a phone call before i can reflash | 17:54 |
| BCMM | i should've done ps | grep pulse when it was working... | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | --system --high-priority, but wait! | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | try "start pulseaudio" | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | in a root shell | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | if it says respawning too fast, wait 2 mins or so | 17:55 |
| BCMM | wow | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | just don't start it manually | 17:56 |
| BCMM | i've found someone who actually knows how upstart works | 17:56 |
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| BCMM | thanks! | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | there's a quick permanent fix | 17:56 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: without a reflash? | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | cp /opt/maemo/usr/lib/libFLAC.so.8.2.0 /usr/lib/libFLAC.so.8.2.0 | 17:57 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: ah, pulse is failing to start at boot because a lib it requires isn't available till opt is mounted? | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 17:58 |
| BCMM | so why isn't everyone getting this problem? | 17:58 |
| BCMM | ah, FLAC support isn't in the default install? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, it's tied to decoders-support and is triggered randomly | 17:58 |
| BCMM | i figured there must be some kinda race condition, because sometimes it boots fine | 17:59 |
| BCMM | i guess it's a race between whatever services pulseaudio depends on, and whatever mounts opt... | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 17:59 |
| BCMM | i should find that forum post again and post that... the reason i was going to reflash was because someone on the forum said they'd fixed theirs with a reflash | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | and when pulseaudio fails to start, you get no vibration / haptic feedback | 17:59 |
| BCMM | and i was starting to feel i'd asked about it too much in here | 18:00 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: that happens through pulse?! | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | I've mentioned it three times here | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | it shouldn't, but for some reason mce just drools when pulse isn't there | 18:00 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: looks like the lesson is that i should look in the IRC logs instead of the forums | 18:00 |
| BCMM | which makes sense really | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | three days back, I think :P | 18:01 |
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| BCMM | thanks a lot! | 18:03 |
| BCMM | so is someone going to unoptify the libFLAC package a bit? | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | hopefully the maintainer realizes it's causing problems | 18:04 |
| BCMM | well, have they been told? | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | probably - not | 18:05 |
| BCMM | hmm, perhaps someone should... | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | cba to do it :P http://maemo.org/packages/view/libflac8/ | 18:05 |
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| BCMM | sorry, i don't know what cba is (and neither does /usr/bin/wtf) | 18:06 |
| mece | crudbuckets! | 18:06 |
| BCMM | there's no "a" in crudbuckets. | 18:06 |
| mece | heh. | 18:07 |
| BCMM | thanks for the link, i was about to look up how to find ou which package owns a file on debian | 18:07 |
| mece | Why the hell doesn't this database thing work with qmlviewer on my home computer when it works fine on my work computer AND on my N900?? | 18:07 |
| mece | grr argh! | 18:07 |
| BCMM | oh, can't be arsed i guess | 18:07 |
| BCMM | now i have to email the libflac package maintainer AND the wtf maintainer. | 18:08 |
| MohammadAG | can't be arsed | 18:08 |
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| BCMM | well, i'd really better make that phone call. then i'll contact the libflac guy, thanks for the link | 18:10 |
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| MohammadAG | mplayer maintainer never replied to my request, shall I compile it with libdvd support myself? | 18:11 |
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| BCMM | is that the thing that lets it play ISO9660 filesystem images, or the thing that makes menus work? | 18:13 |
| javispedro | why the hell pulse depends on libFLAC? | 18:14 |
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| BCMM | that's a point; i thought pulse got audio supplied to it by other applications, rather than knowing how to decode stuff itself... | 18:15 |
| BCMM | ofc, i also thought pulse made very little sense and might do anything | 18:15 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: can the n900 decode a DVD in realtime, using mplayer? | 18:16 |
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| MohammadAG | yeah | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDzUG-bno6Q | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | lag's because of skype, learned that it was a CPU rapist after making the video | 18:18 |
| javispedro | you can probably push it to the dsp | 18:18 |
| javispedro | (mpeg2 video) | 18:18 |
| troulouliou | hi i m facing serious batery problem , i think that s cause i installed a lot of application , is there a list of well know tricks to check to prevent that problem | 18:18 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: all the time, or when actually doing stuff? i've certainly noticed stuff slow down horribly every time a skype IM comes in | 18:19 |
| BCMM | javispedro: i thought only gstreamer stuff used the n900's DSP? | 18:19 |
| javispedro | exactly | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | when receiving IMs | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | mplayer has DND mode, notifications are suppressed | 18:20 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: it's not really smooth... | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, gstreamer played the video with shitty performance | 18:20 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, played it again, it was smooth, I just can't be arsed to tape it again | 18:21 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: ah, ok. was that all in software or does mplayer use the dsp now? | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | just use -fs, and disconnect from skype | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | all in software | 18:21 |
| BCMM | wow, didn't know the cpu was up to that | 18:21 |
| BCMM | overclocked? | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | well, CPU | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 18:22 |
| BCMM | well, anything that's in software is on the cpu... | 18:22 |
| BCMM | oh, neat | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | I was using -framedrop btw | 18:22 |
| BCMM | out of interest, does it play ok with hard framedrop? | 18:22 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, that kills performance instead of improving it | 18:22 |
| javispedro | it kills apparent performance | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | it plays best with mplayer -fs -dvd | 18:23 |
| BCMM | haha | 18:23 |
| MohammadAG | or dvd://, can't remember | 18:23 |
| BCMM | what's -dvd? | 18:23 |
| javispedro | specially if it's only a bit overtaxed | 18:23 |
| BCMM | ah, that makes sense | 18:23 |
| BCMM | mplayer seems to express all inputs other than files and stdin as urls | 18:23 |
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| mece | YUSSSS!!! | 18:24 |
| mece | the data directory where sqlite databases are created from QmlViewer was owned by root. chowned it to myself and things work as they should. | 18:25 |
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| chem|st | troulouliou: usually anything visualizing from testing or devel will increase battery drain, anything visual on your desktop or active in background will increase it too | 18:30 |
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| troulouliou | but 2 - 3 hours , seems relly hard to accept , maybe ssh server too | 18:32 |
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| chem|st | troulouliou: I doubt ssh server but you may setup if-up-down scripts as you like | 18:38 |
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| chem|st | troulouliou: a quick look at your CPU times in top or htop will help, also running powertop will show what is running while your screen is off, using 3G in a weak spot will drain it faster (3G in strong spots already eats your battery) | 18:41 |
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| chem|st | by 3G I do not mean active internet connections, I mean UMTS, it is another network and using more power than GSM, because of signal weakness | 18:43 |
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| troulouliou | chem|st: Thanks for all those tips | 18:49 |
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| ShadowJK | I don't think "signal weakness" is the major power eater in 3g.. | 18:54 |
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| ShadowJK | Even with same signal strength, 3g will eat considerably more than gsm | 18:55 |
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| Venemo | hi | 18:57 |
| Venemo | alterego: ping | 18:57 |
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| ieatlint | bacon is awesome | 19:00 |
| Venemo | ieatlint: yeah, lcuk would agree with you too :P | 19:00 |
| ieatlint | i've asked this question before, but i never get an answer... why don't bars serve bacon? you don't need a proper kitchen to cook it, it'd sell really well, and be fucking awesome | 19:01 |
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| Venemo | lol | 19:01 |
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| chem|st | MohammadAG: was it you asking some time ago about the internal battery? it is a small size accumulator and should last minutes mine did about 10min well and did not exceed 20min yet, so somewhere in between is the limit I guess... | 19:06 |
| chem|st | troulouliou: you are welcome | 19:07 |
| alterego | Venemo: pong | 19:08 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, you are in the wrong kind of bars then | 19:09 |
| ieatlint | apparently | 19:09 |
| Venemo | alterego: is it possible to use QtMobility to get some accelerometer data? | 19:09 |
| ieatlint | i'm rather sure no bars near me are the right kind then :( | 19:09 |
| Venemo | alterego: I mean other than the screen orientation | 19:10 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, even went to a wedding this year that had bacon butties as the nibbles | 19:10 |
| alterego | Venemo: I Don't think the the sensors API is implemented properly on Maemo | 19:10 |
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| nidO | anyone running the current ovi suite beta version? | 19:10 |
| ieatlint | hmm, if there was an open bar too, you really got lucky | 19:10 |
| Venemo | alterego: it is: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0.0/ | 19:11 |
| lcuk | ieatlint, mmm open bars | 19:11 |
| alterego | Venemo: try it then? :P | 19:12 |
| * lcuk smiles fondly at Meego conf guinness pissup | 19:12 | |
| alterego | lcuk: did you see the latest screenshots I posted earlier? :P | 19:12 |
| lcuk | alterego, yes I did | 19:12 |
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| alterego | What did you think of the new stuff? :) | 19:13 |
| alterego | There's still a little bit more todo, and I keep thinking of new things I want to add. | 19:13 |
| alterego | But the UI is pretty stable for now. | 19:13 |
| Venemo | alterego: the questin is, do you know how to do it? | 19:13 |
| lcuk | then release it :) | 19:14 |
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| alterego | Venemo: is that documentation not good enough for you? :P | 19:14 |
| lcuk | like climbing a mountain, use this version as a base camp | 19:14 |
| lcuk | so you have something working and stable to use as reference for yourself | 19:14 |
| alterego | I'm still unsure about how I'm going to release it. | 19:14 |
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| Venemo | alterego: earn some cash with it | 19:15 |
| Venemo | alterego: or if you are the open source kind of guy, then make it OSS | 19:15 |
| alterego | I came up with a new feature today and have just finished implementing it. Along with File, bluetooth and network data logging. I've now added USB serial profile data logging support. So my app acts like a USB serial GPS dongle when plugged into a host ^.^ | 19:15 |
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| alterego | And yes, it still charges :D | 19:16 |
| javispedro | "it still charges"? | 19:16 |
| Corsac | alterego: btw, what about submitting the kernel patch upstream? | 19:16 |
| Venemo | javispedro: along with being a GPS dongle | 19:16 |
| Venemo | Corsac: what kernel patch? | 19:16 |
| alterego | Corsac: I'm going to work on a better mod to g_nokia that allows dynamic allocation, that to me is the proper way to do it. | 19:16 |
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| alterego | Something like rfcomm for usb acm | 19:17 |
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| alterego | javispedro: yes, and? | 19:18 |
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| javispedro | did it ever stopped charging? | 19:18 |
| Venemo | alterego: as I see it, Maemo is the only platform on which the full Qt Mobility is supported | 19:18 |
| alterego | It did when it couldn't load g_nokia .. | 19:19 |
| javispedro | hum? | 19:19 |
| javispedro | but g_nokia isn't loaded always | 19:19 |
| alterego | When you plug it in via usb it seems to take over. | 19:19 |
| javispedro | not if you dismiss the dialog or select file storage iirc | 19:19 |
| ieatlint | Venemo: i think current symbian release has similar support for it | 19:19 |
| javispedro | in which case g_file_storage is insmod'd | 19:20 |
| alterego | javispedro: sure, I know, but g_nokia does. | 19:20 |
| Venemo | ieatlint: see the table on the link | 19:20 |
| alterego | And there are lines in there refering to some kind of power selection/management. | 19:20 |
| javispedro | alterego: but as I'm saying, g_nokia isn't loaded when g_file_storage is | 19:20 |
| alterego | Anyhow, my current mod just enables the two serial devices that are already created on the device ttyGS0 and ttyGS1 | 19:20 |
| alterego | ttyGS2 is the only one that is initialized and is used for pnatd. | 19:21 |
| javispedro | nice | 19:21 |
| ieatlint | Venemo: hmmm... i thought 1.0.2 had support there... not sure, but 1.1 is out now either way.. just not really deployed yet | 19:21 |
| alterego | javispedro: and you're missing the point, I said I understand, but for some reason when g_nokia is insmodded, if it's fucked charging stops working. | 19:21 |
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| alterego | So with the modded g_nokia you get 2 serial devices you can actually use, the 1 for pnatd, usb networking still works as does the other OBEX PC suite related junk. | 19:22 |
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| Venemo | ieatlint: hm, I didn't check 1.1 | 19:22 |
| ieatlint | it's "done", but only available as beta packages for both maemo and symbian methinks | 19:23 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 19:23 |
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| Venemo | here's the link for QtM 1.1: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/ interestingly this table includes Harmattan too :D | 19:23 |
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| alterego | javispedro: if you're interested I'll upload the kernel module :) | 19:23 |
| alterego | javispedro: it'll give you two nice new shiny serial ports to play with ;) | 19:24 |
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| ieatlint | i'm wondering what some of that in windos means... what messaging backend does it interface with for instance | 19:24 |
| javispedro | alterego: you mean you're removing g_file_storage then insert g_nokia WITHOUT replugging the cable? | 19:24 |
| ieatlint | same for linux and such | 19:24 |
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| alterego | javispedro: what? | 19:24 |
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| javispedro | that I'm yet to understand what you're doing that breaks charging. The only thing that could break charging is getting the host confused. | 19:25 |
| alterego | javispedro: I've got a replacement g_nokia that acts in exactly the same way. Except it enables the two otherwise disabled serial ports. | 19:25 |
| alterego | IT DOESN'T BREAK CHARGING | 19:25 |
| alterego | I said it works fine. | 19:25 |
| alterego | It works, like it should work. | 19:25 |
| javispedro | :S well. | 19:25 |
| alterego | I've said that 5 times now .. | 19:25 |
| javispedro | hello RST38h | 19:25 |
| alterego | If you select "PC suite mode" and your g_nokia is crap, the N900 wont charge. | 19:25 |
| ieatlint | rage | 19:26 |
| alterego | So g_nokia, for some reason, takes over charging when it's installed. | 19:26 |
| alterego | Or has something to do with it in some way. | 19:26 |
| alterego | This has nothing to do with mass storage mode | 19:26 |
| alterego | Or charging only mode. | 19:26 |
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| Venemo | alterego: so the N900 has 2 serial ports? | 19:27 |
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| alterego | No | 19:28 |
| alterego | PC suite mode makes your N900 look like it _is_ a serial port connected modem. | 19:28 |
| Venemo | alterego: yep | 19:28 |
| alterego | This is acheived by a kernel driver based on g_serial (usb serial gadget) called g_nokia | 19:28 |
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| Venemo | alterego: but still, I read somewhere that the N900 itself has a serial port which is only enabled in R&D mode | 19:29 |
| alterego | g_nokia creates 3 serial devices which you can see in /dev/ on a stock N900, ttyGS0/1/2 | 19:29 |
| alterego | YEs, there is a serial port under the battery. | 19:29 |
| myu | wut? | 19:29 |
| javispedro | Venemo: even if it was a true port it probably won't be using RS232 voltages so it would be useless for normal usage. | 19:29 |
| alterego | No, it's UART | 19:29 |
| myu | really!? | 19:29 |
| myu | I didnt know that | 19:29 |
| alterego | With some hosts it should work with RS232 though .. | 19:30 |
| alterego | But don't do it unless you know what you're doing. | 19:30 |
| alterego | You might blow something up :D | 19:30 |
| * javispedro has lots of max232s around | 19:30 | |
| alterego | Anyway, if anyone wants the updated g_nokia.ko | 19:31 |
| alterego | Which makes the serial ports show up on the host your N900 is connected to, allowing comms, it's here: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/g_nokia.ko | 19:31 |
| javispedro | bump it to the power kerne | 19:31 |
| javispedro | l | 19:31 |
| alterego | Good idea. | 19:32 |
| alterego | I'll submit a patch tomorr. | 19:32 |
| alterego | ~tomorrow | 19:32 |
| infobot | Tomorrow will probably suck too. | 19:32 |
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| alterego | Heh | 19:32 |
| Venemo | :D | 19:32 |
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| javispedro | alterego: btw, about dynamic "reconfiguration", try windows as a host too. | 19:33 |
| javispedro | when I was toying with my palmt|x as a host I had lots of problems with its composite driver | 19:34 |
| alterego | javispedro: I don't think I'l be able to make it truely dynamic. Once the USB host as enumerated the port it's done. | 19:34 |
| javispedro | for some reason it seems not to notice changes to descriptors | 19:34 |
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| alterego | What I can do is make the module accept a paramter that says how many serial devices to create when installed. | 19:34 |
| Venemo | I'm off watching SGU | 19:34 |
| Venemo | brb | 19:34 |
| javispedro | alterego: yes yes, I mean after replugging | 19:34 |
| alterego | javispedro: that will screw up the port numbering wont it? | 19:35 |
| alterego | I seem to recall my dad having some odd problems with port numbering in windows. | 19:35 |
| alterego | I will test though. | 19:35 |
| javispedro | aiui it will just partially cache stuff | 19:35 |
| javispedro | a reboot or removing the device from the devmgr helped | 19:35 |
| javispedro | (the hidden, unplugged device) | 19:36 |
| alterego | But I think my mod will actually be a module paramter that says how many serial devices to create. Then you can obviously change /etc/modprobe.d/g_nokia | 19:36 |
| javispedro | no other sane option... | 19:37 |
| alterego | Was that a question or an agreement? ;) | 19:37 |
| javispedro | agreement :) | 19:37 |
| alterego | :) | 19:37 |
| javispedro | you're doing this for NMEA? | 19:37 |
| alterego | I was half expecting it to screw up my ubuntu install for tethering. | 19:37 |
| alterego | Yeah, | 19:37 |
| alterego | But even with the two extra serial devices, and the fact that the pnatd connected one got shunted from ACM0 to ACM2, it all worked perfectly. | 19:38 |
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| CableTwitch | Howdy, codemonkies :O) | 20:13 |
| alterego | Aloha :) | 20:14 |
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| alterego | Lets see how my new g_nokia module works with dynamic port allocation then :) | 20:16 |
| CableTwitch | 10 bucks says segfault | 20:16 |
| alterego | You're on :P | 20:16 |
| CableTwitch | Watch me lose. I was never any good at betting XD | 20:19 |
| alterego | Well, it compiles ;) | 20:19 |
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| CableTwitch | A good omen. | 20:19 |
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| alterego | Okay, now to copy across and test :D | 20:20 |
| alterego | Testing with 5 ports (default is 3) | 20:20 |
| CableTwitch | I'm almost tempted to offer my 900 as a testbed, but I want to keep this one working for as long as is possible... | 20:21 |
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| Venemo | hehe | 20:23 |
| Venemo | Compiz looks funny with multiple monitors | 20:24 |
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| alterego | I'd really like a second N900, I think if I get some spare cash soon I'll go for it. | 20:48 |
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| ieatlint | i think they're selling used for not too much | 20:50 |
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| alterego | Yeah, would be very useful for my meego and kernel dev .. | 20:53 |
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| MohammadAG | also useful for pointless N900 to N900 flashing | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | hey NooBmonk3y | 21:03 |
| lcuk | thats hardly pointless! | 21:03 |
| * NooBmonk3y waves!! | 21:04 | |
| NooBmonk3y | lo alls :) | 21:04 |
| lcuk | just be careful, you don't want to wake up with a baby n900 | 21:04 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | also useful for the hardly pointless N900 to N900 flashing | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, why? I'd love an N900 junior | 21:04 |
| javispedro | puppies and n900! | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | I heard they bite though | 21:05 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, n900-mini would be awesome | 21:05 |
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| MohammadAG | I'd buy one if it was released | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | or an N910 | 21:06 |
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| javispedro | resistive screen please!! | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | with 1GHz, 512MBs RAM, 64GBs space, rest is the same | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | oh, and an extra antenna for BT, using the same for WLAN/BT is... | 21:07 |
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| ieatlint | yeah, they could even put the antenna on the outside of the case so it gets better reception | 21:12 |
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| kerio | i want a n8 with debian on it | 21:15 |
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| * NooBmonk3y is confused | 21:20 | |
| NooBmonk3y | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0/ has sensors in it... why does the maemo package not include sensors, and why has someone else's build with sensors built successfully? lol! | 21:21 |
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| javispedro | NooBmonk3y: because they fail at packaging, and nobody complained yet? ;) | 21:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | javispedro, possibly - can't believe i am the first :| | 21:23 |
| ieatlint | NooBmonk3y: i'd probably search tmo, and post if there's no one else with the same issue | 21:23 |
| ieatlint | will probably get noticed more there | 21:23 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ieatlint, have looked, nothing :P and the error produces 0 google results, never seen that b4 | 21:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | x-fade was stumped too :( | 21:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | but did suggest it wasnt in the package | 21:24 |
| NooBmonk3y | only thing that makes sense | 21:24 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ooo wow when did these pages appear?! | 21:25 |
| NooBmonk3y | http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/qt-mobility/html/index.html | 21:25 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: hi :) | 21:27 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: did you manage to solve your issue? | 21:27 |
| NooBmonk3y | Hey Venemo :) :) | 21:27 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, nope :( | 21:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | just emailed nokia/Trolltech asking for help! | 21:34 |
| NooBmonk3y | aas i think it may be that the qtm-dev package is literally missing the sensors module :( | 21:34 |
| lcuk | NooBmonk3y, filed bug ? | 21:34 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: then how is it that it built for me in my Scratchbox? | 21:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | lcuk, emailed qt-mobility-feedback@trolltech.com | 21:35 |
| alterego | Okay, there's a maximum of 4 usb serial ports | 21:35 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, no idea, Keeps doesnt either | 21:35 |
| javispedro | alterego: endpoint limit? | 21:35 |
| alterego | Seems so | 21:35 |
| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: ouch :( | 21:35 |
| alterego | When you try to create more the device restarts. | 21:35 |
| javispedro | aka panics :) | 21:36 |
| javispedro | probably endpoint limit | 21:36 |
| NooBmonk3y | Venemo, i'm sooooooooo confused, but healthcheck would be useless without sensor checks lol | 21:36 |
| javispedro | on the pxa gadget driver it was quite low | 21:36 |
| alterego | So, when someone specifies more than 4, shall I fail to do any, or create the maximum. | 21:36 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: yeah... :S | 21:41 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, can I have a go at it? :3 | 22:03 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ? | 22:03 |
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| * MohammadAG so wants to sue broadcom | 22:05 | |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, sec, I'll try to get this working | 22:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | ?! | 22:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | what hey? | 22:05 |
| * NooBmonk3y is watching a movie, brb! | 22:05 | |
| MohammadAG | if it does, I need two guitars and a drumkit | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | kthxbye | 22:05 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol | 22:05 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: :) | 22:07 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: what did broadcom do to you? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | and seriously, use Greg Reborts, "greg" isn't the right way | 22:08 |
| Venemo | Reborts is Roberts, isn't it? | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | my laptop gets 150MBps with Windows, 2 with linux | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | Roberts, my bad | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | (why did I say Reborts) | 22:08 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, I'm not stumped ld: cannot find -lQtSensors | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG | wait wtf | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | libqtm-dev isn't being pulled in | 22:10 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, rewrite debian/control, something is so fucked up in it | 22:12 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, have re-written it, started afresh and let qt creator do it this time | 22:14 |
| * NooBmonk3y lols | 22:15 | |
| NooBmonk3y | Reborts! | 22:15 |
| javispedro | rebort? | 22:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | Not caring about names, descriptions yet, just building it :p | 22:15 |
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| MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage isn't complaining about missing packages | 22:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | can faff with that later when i get it ready for testing :p | 22:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | nope :| | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | even when libqtm-dev isn't available | 22:15 |
| NooBmonk3y | but autobuilder is :| | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | WTF | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | Unpacking replacement libqtm-dev ... | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libqtm-dev_1%3a1.0.2-maemo4+0m5_armel.deb (--unpack): | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG | trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libQtServiceFramework.so', which is also in package libqtm-serviceframework | 22:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol! | 22:16 |
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| alterego | Nice .. | 22:16 |
| * javispedro cackles | 22:16 | |
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| alterego | That's pretty horrible. | 22:16 |
| * NooBmonk3y grins | 22:17 | |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, you're not using the "raw" source | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | or it's not clean | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | re | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, Qt Creator makes three directories, Healthcheck, Healthcheck-build-desktop and Healthcheck-build-maemo | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | tar the files in Healthcheck and upload them somewhere | 22:18 |
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| NooBmonk3y | using it from the qt project folder | 22:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | brb 2 mins | 22:18 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: one thing. the autobuilder was unable to build his stuff, but my scratchbox successfully did it | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | it shouldn't have ui_<something>.h in it | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, mine didn't | 22:19 |
| Venemo | did you 'fakeroot apt-get install libqtm-*' ? | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | makes sense, no build depends on libqtm-sensors | 22:19 |
| Venemo | mine did after that | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | who's doing a shitty job of maintaining libqtm packages? | 22:19 |
| Macer | hm | 22:20 |
| Venemo | probably the same guy who had the idea that Qt Creator should make .debs on every build | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | sigh | 22:21 |
| javispedro | Venemo: the autobuilder is more picky because it uses the squeeze toolchain. | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | so it has a file that overwrites one in a package it depends on, AND libqtm-dev doesn't depend on -sensors | 22:21 |
| Venemo | javispedro: I thought it uses the same Scratchbox that we do | 22:21 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: NooBmonk3y tried to add libqtm-sensors to his build-depends, but he got the same error | 22:22 |
| javispedro | Venemo: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-April/025870.html | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I see no libqtm-sensors in his latest upload | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, libqtm-dev | 22:22 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: he told so and I believed him | 22:23 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: that was yesterday though | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | Also, NooBmonk3y rather than depending on each Qt package, and you might miss a lot, depend on ${shlibs:Depends} | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/healthcheck_2.9.1/sources/healthcheck_2.9.1.dsc | 22:24 |
| Venemo | mhm | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG | I uploaded a version with libqtm-sensors in it | 22:26 |
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| * MohammadAG stabs broadcom's linux drivers | 22:26 | |
| MohammadAG | seems like it's building, it hasn't error'd out yet | 22:29 |
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| Macer | well... back on the cliq for android lol | 22:31 |
| Macer | hope nitdroid gets there :) | 22:31 |
| Macer | and back to maemo on the n900 | 22:31 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 2.9.1 OK Maemo Extras Builder | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder how X-Fade didn't notice it | 22:33 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: that was lcuk's doing | 22:34 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: afaik | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | what was? | 22:34 |
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| Venemo | the successful build yesterday | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | no, I just uploaded it | 22:36 |
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| Macer | i thought lcuk went off and left maemo lol | 22:37 |
| Macer | wtf... | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, and that was right now :P | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | bbl | 22:38 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: okay | 22:39 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: but afaik lcuk did it too | 22:39 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: what was the solution? | 22:39 |
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| Jef91 | So my n900 just had a text message popup from something called "<selfhandle>" that won't clear out of my inbox. What on earth is this? | 22:41 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, !!! | 22:55 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, what did you change?! | 22:56 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, libqtm-sesnors, duh :P | 23:13 |
| Jef91 | So my n900 just had a text message popup from something called "<selfhandle>" that won't clear out of my inbox. What on earth is this? | 23:13 |
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| Venemo | NooBmonk3y: btw that was what I recommended to you yesterday and you said it didn't work! | 23:14 |
| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, have made 100+ changes didnt work before that lol | 23:16 |
| NooBmonk3y | i'm confused what changes did you make? | 23:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | my control file atm says | 23:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev (>=4), libqtm-dev (>= 1), libqtm-systeminfo (>= 1), libqtm-sensors (>= 1) | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | added libqtm-sesnors | 23:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | Depends: libqtm-sensors (>= 1), libqtm-multimedia, libqtm-systeminfo, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} | 23:17 |
| NooBmonk3y | sesnors? | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | that's not the file you uploaded then | 23:18 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Moh, its the file i've been using for the last 2 days lol | 23:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | and tried uploading this evening | 23:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | the git one was pre-changes | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | nope, builder disagrees | 23:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | ?! | 23:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | its what i have now! | 23:18 |
| NooBmonk3y | and failed 4 times with this evening! | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | see the sources/ in each one that failed | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | when you changed the control file, what did you run? | 23:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | run? | 23:19 |
| NooBmonk3y | mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S | 23:19 |
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| MohammadAG | sources in builder say you didn't have it in there | 23:20 |
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| NooBmonk3y | ok, this is odd | 23:21 |
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| NooBmonk3y | Just checking my sources, they do | 23:21 |
| NooBmonk3y | wtf | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | wtf indeed | 23:22 |
| * MohammadAG likes how neons stay green after they're turned off | 23:22 | |
| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, you could be uploading the wrong file | 23:23 |
| NooBmonk3y | :| i deleted all others (well moved, and did a fresh build) gonna try again | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG | i spent an hour finding a problem in my code (in C), and was editing the wrong file | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG | now, I want an angry mob so we could fix libqtm-dev | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, angry mob == bug report | 23:25 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: we should "fix" the people who made it | 23:25 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, makes sense, libqtm-* packages aren't part of a PR | 23:26 |
| * NooBmonk3y cant even get it building now lol | 23:26 | |
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| MohammadAG | Venemo, submit a patch :P | 23:27 |
| Venemo | so anyway, there are people who are paid to do this | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | what is broken in it? | 23:28 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't depend on libqtm-sensors | 23:28 |
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| Venemo | it's easy for them to be lazy then not care and just say, "you are welcome to make a patch" | 23:29 |
| Venemo | I already have 2 bugs in Qt that I'm welcome to make a patch for, so I'll pass this one | 23:29 |
| lcuk | since NooBmonk3y has been noobish and sent a postal letter | 23:29 |
| lcuk | and I have pinged on #qt-mobility channel | 23:29 |
| * alterego sighs | 23:29 | |
| alterego | For some reason, I can insmod the module manually just fine, but when I try to use modprobe, it dies. | 23:30 |
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| MohammadAG | depmod -a | 23:30 |
| NooBmonk3y | lol lcuk | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, can I do it for Nokia? I don't want to be paid, i just don't want devs who don't have the temper NooBmonk3y does to get pissed off | 23:31 |
| alterego | That's not the problem, there seems to be something odd happening with it passing parameters to my module. | 23:31 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: yes, you can | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | do libqtm bug reports go on bmo or the Qt bugtracker? | 23:32 |
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| MohammadAG | (which FYI, I hate the UI of) | 23:32 |
| alterego | I'd stick it on the Qt bugtracker. | 23:32 |
| alterego | Maybe both | 23:32 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: both | 23:32 |
| * MohammadAG files a support ticket on microsoft.com | 23:33 | |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: lol | 23:33 |
| Venemo | ~nuke the moron who screwed up libqtm-dev | 23:33 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the moron who screwed up libqtm-dev ... B☢☢M! | 23:33 | |
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| kerio | ~nuke infobot | 23:33 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... B☢☢M! | 23:33 | |
| MohammadAG | Antonio sth | 23:33 |
| kerio | herp derp | 23:34 |
| kerio | ~nuke himself | 23:34 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at himself ... B☢☢M! | 23:34 | |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, it's a maemo package problem | 23:34 |
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| achipa | out of range, we need to reach Brisbane | 23:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, | 23:34 |
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| MohammadAG | effing kids | 23:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyone here have Calendar (maemo5 pr1.3) and 5mins? | 23:37 |
| timeless_mbp | Jaffa? | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, what about it? | 23:38 |
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| NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, gonna hve to catch you tomorrow - gotta head out | 23:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | still confused | 23:38 |
| NooBmonk3y | thankyou v much though! | 23:38 |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: I do | 23:39 |
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| MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, you're welcome :) | 23:39 |
| timeless_mbp | i need one of you to confirm that the calendar doesn't correctly handle that file | 23:39 |
| NooBmonk3y | although it says 2kb on install! | 23:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | lols | 23:40 |
| NooBmonk3y | and no desktop icon, but can sort that 2moro :P | 23:40 |
| achipa | timeless_mbp: shoot | 23:40 |
| timeless_mbp | achipa: MohammadAG / Venemo are trying | 23:41 |
| timeless_mbp | i think that's enough people, thanks though | 23:41 |
| achipa | k | 23:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG / Venemo : | 23:42 |
| timeless_mbp | the event is in nov 2011 | 23:42 |
| timeless_mbp | compare the event display w/ the actual event | 23:42 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be broken (bad end itme) | 23:42 |
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| MohammadAG | Nothing in Nov 11 after adding it | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, ping | 23:45 |
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| * timeless_mbp cries | 23:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so something went wrong | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | wonderful | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | sorry, no time | 23:47 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG / Venemo : *sob* | 23:47 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to dinner(breakfast/lunch) | 23:47 | |
| Venemo | timeless_mbp: good apetite | 23:47 |
| Venemo | btw, what does *sob* mean? | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | cries | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | well, the sounds of it | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | sorta like *gasp*, *gulp*, etc | 23:48 |
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| Venemo | ah, okay | 23:48 |
| Venemo | and why are you crying MohammadAG? | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | i'm not, he is | 23:49 |
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| Venemo | oh. | 23:49 |
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| Venemo | ok, I get it now :P | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:49 |
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