| VladNistor | *rootfs flash | 00:00 |
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| alterego | battery is low | 00:00 |
| alterego | maybe | 00:00 |
| VladNistor | it's plugged in :( | 00:00 |
| VladNistor | and it seems to be in a loop :( | 00:00 |
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| alterego | Oh, reflash then | 00:01 |
| VladNistor | i did, twice :)) | 00:01 |
| alterego | emmc aswell? :P | 00:01 |
| VladNistor | redownloaded the .bin, maybe it wasn't downloaded corectly | 00:01 |
| javispedro | reflash emmc + rootfs from some other computer | 00:01 |
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| VladNistor | nope, not the emmc | 00:01 |
| tobis87 | Maybe a kernel, kernel modules mismatch. | 00:01 |
| joga | ~pr1.3 | 00:02 |
| infobot | from memory, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm just looking at it | 00:02 |
| joga | can pr1.3 be installed OTA at all? | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and i may have been wrong about boot process | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it looks like it's 4 stage | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: rom -> nokia x-loader -> nolo xldr -> nolo scnd | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | or hmmm | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | nvm | 00:03 |
| jacekowski | it may be something else | 00:03 |
| yacc | So after pr1.3 it's meego time? | 00:03 |
| javispedro | there is no meego. | 00:04 |
| javispedro | the cake is a lie. | 00:04 |
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| tobis87 | I have seen that kernel-power has patched radio-bcm2048 to support rds data. Does an app already make use of it? | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | didn't it work since ages? | 00:07 |
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| javispedro | I guess it's not rds but rather tmc | 00:08 |
| javispedro | which was news not long ago | 00:08 |
| VladNistor | well I used the redownloaded image and it now works, thanks for your help :) | 00:08 |
| javispedro | rds has been since forever | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 00:08 |
| tobis87 | http://git.kernelconcepts.de/?p=rdstmc.git;a=blob;f=driver-n900/radio-bcm2048-2.6.28.diff;h=d60ada5a4cd664bff10682db4a76cca915c66dd1;hb=master <- It says RDS, but I don't know for sure. | 00:09 |
| javispedro | tmc, tmc, tmc! | 00:09 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 00:11 |
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| tobis87 | javispedro: yes tmc as well. however the readme says: "Patch to enable V4L compliant RDS data output on Nokia N900, comes through /dev/radio1 (/dev/radio0 is the FM transmitter)." | 00:26 |
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| irlame | hello | 00:29 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nvm, nolo 2nd is just a temporary bootloader for coldflashing | 00:30 |
| pronto | so i updated my n900 today, and now fMMS has stoped working, i can no longer revieve photo-texts | 00:30 |
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| irlame | I have a question about using unprotected wifi. When I open the media player I see the person's computer's name and click on it and it does nothing. Can they look at or take files from my n900? | 00:32 |
| pupnik | people can look at the data transmitted over the air in an unprotected wifi network | 00:33 |
| jacekowski | irlame: that's just upnp you see there | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | irlame: it's enabled by default by no files are shared by default | 00:34 |
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| blackthorne | hi | 00:37 |
| blackthorne | just ordered my N900, can't wait to hold it on my hands... | 00:37 |
| blackthorne | one question, is maemo development going to die or somehow integrated with Meego ? | 00:38 |
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| mgedmin | there's not going to be an official meego image for the N900 | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | and Nokia most likely will not release any updated Maemo 5 versions | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | there's some level of community support | 00:39 |
| irlame | Thanks iDont did you mean to say "but no files are shared"? | 00:40 |
| blackthorne | oh well, the one thing I want to try, is a web2py ( www.web2py.com ) version | 00:40 |
| blackthorne | do you see a reason why shouldn't I go with this? | 00:40 |
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| pupnik | ey cool lcuk starred in UX meets code videos | 01:11 |
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| * javispedro writes pathetic gesture recognition algorithm | 01:21 | |
| SpeedEvil | For use with fapman? | 01:22 |
| javispedro | fapman requies pathetic gestures? :) | 01:22 |
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| javispedro | the sort of algorithm that only considers start->end points | 01:22 |
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| pupnik_ | javispedro: finally lots of youtube videos about PreenV | 01:29 |
| javispedro | yeah | 01:29 |
| pupnik_ | surprising and nice that some of the games rescale correctly | 01:30 |
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| Venemo_N900 | hi guys | 01:34 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hey :) | 01:34 |
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| MohammadAG | hi | 01:34 |
| Venemo_N900 | what's up? | 01:35 |
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| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: for some reason, my N900 did not start pulseaudio on startup... I had to do 'start pulseaudio' | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, and that worked? | 01:36 |
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| Venemo_N900 | yes | 01:37 |
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| yacc | MohammadAG, I've had twice also the problem that pulse audio did not work. The first time I have no idea if pulse was dead or just not working but second time I checked and pulseaudio was not there. | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | I encountered pulseaudio not starting | 01:38 |
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| MohammadAG | but starting it always failed | 01:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | anyway, I have not seen this before | 01:38 |
| yacc | MohammadAG, the first time it also did not start. The second time a start pulseaudio did fix the issue. | 01:38 |
| andax | merlin_1991: i have not experienced any problems, my host is bartol.freenode.net[193.107.206.21/6667] | 01:38 |
| MohammadAG | atm, I'm on power45 after a reflash, and i haven't had it | 01:38 |
| Venemo_N900 | power45? | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 01:39 |
| jacekowski | heh | 01:39 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 01:39 | |
| jacekowski | does anybody here have possibly link to that n900 u-boot | 01:39 |
| * timeless_mbp needs a picture of a folder | 01:39 | |
| pupnik_ | i'm happy to see that nokia was offering a position for a PA developer | 01:39 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what is power45? | 01:39 |
| timeless_mbp | hey. someone was asking me about md5sums of libstdc++ | 01:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | i was right, we do prelink the fiasco images | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | kernel-power | 01:40 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1600&bih=681&q=folder&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | version 45 | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | but we don't (can't iusefully) do that for OTA | 01:40 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: i need a picture of /etc/osso-af-defines/ | 01:40 |
| andax | pupnik_: PA? | 01:40 |
| Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: oh, ok | 01:41 |
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| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: picture? | 01:41 |
| andax | uuhh, netsplit? | 01:41 |
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| pupnik_ | pulseaudio andax | 01:42 |
| javispedro | btw, does anybody know how to tell the n900' syslog daemon that I do not want it to buffer messages just in case "they were repeated N times"? | 01:42 |
| andax | pupnik_: ok | 01:42 |
| * javispedro just randomizes the message contents, I do not want to read sysklogd source code now... | 01:44 | |
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| SpeedEvil | Append - to the entry?? | 01:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Something like that | 01:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | maybe not | 01:58 |
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| Venemo_N900 | good evening guys | 01:59 |
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| jacekowski | hmmmm | 02:04 |
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| jacekowski | i managed to change NOKIA text on boot up | 02:05 |
| jacekowski | from NOLO | 02:05 |
| jacekowski | so i can modify nolo | 02:05 |
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| alterego | Woo | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Woo! | 02:06 |
| alterego | Wait, what? | 02:06 |
| Robot101 | woo | 02:06 |
| alterego | The image? | 02:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Can you make it say 'Main screen turn on' ? | 02:06 |
| alterego | My gf just dropped my netbook on her face. | 02:07 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: nope | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Is that a euphamism? | 02:07 |
| jacekowski | at the moment i just modified it by changing random bytes there | 02:08 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: its very clearly a modified telepathy-sofiasip binary - it even has the same COPYING, AUTHORS and README file :P | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | i don't understand format of that picture | 02:08 |
| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: so I'm gonna send them a polite mail as I couldn't find the source (to that bit) on their website | 02:08 |
| alterego | jacekowski: do you know how big it is? | 02:08 |
| SpeedEvil | What would NOLO changing do? Allow better low battery behaviour? | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | alterego: yes | 02:08 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: flash uboot there | 02:09 |
| alterego | If it's compreessed I bet it's a png, and there should be a header | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: this is nokia. | 02:09 |
| alterego | How big is it then? | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: It's probably SVG | 02:09 |
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| alterego | SVG in a boot loader? :P | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | wait a sec | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | i can give you a copy | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | You know it makes sense - it allows for easy change of resolution. | 02:10 |
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| merlin_1991 | andax: I'm getting connection reset by peer all the time, while my connection to quakenet stays stable | 02:13 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: but nolo is custom built for specific hardware revisions. | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | ok so pictures are here http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/ | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | alterego: not really | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | alterego: i checked | 02:16 |
| alterego | definitely compressed then :) | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | alterego: there is no differences at all that could affect stuff | 02:16 |
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| alterego | jacekowski: didn't say there was, just merely that's how it worked. | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | picture 1 is the one that say NOKIA | 02:17 |
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| jacekowski | it doesn't look like it's compressed | 02:20 |
| MohammadAG | what's picture 2 and 3? | 02:21 |
| jacekowski | dunno | 02:21 |
| jacekowski | i know that changing random bytes in first one changed logo | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | to what? lol | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | just got messed up | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | but based on entropy it looks like it's not compressed | 02:23 |
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| jacekowski | 4.005:1, 1.998 bits/byte, 75.03% saved, 6656 in, 1662 out. | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | 1.909:1, 4.190 bits/byte, 47.63% saved, 3964 in, 2076 out. | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | 1.209:1, 6.615 bits/byte, 17.31% saved, 1092 in, 903 out. | 02:24 |
| alterego | maybe it's a bitmap just describing the text. | 02:24 |
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| jacekowski | so it's compressible | 02:24 |
| alterego | When you played with it, was there still a normal white background? | 02:25 |
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| alterego | And just the text was messed up? | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | yes | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | let me swap them | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | and see what happens | 02:25 |
| b-man` | MohammadAG is soo mean: http://i55.tinypic.com/29ut2md.jpg XD | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG | at least it's in C instead of python now :P | 02:27 |
| b-man` | yea, i'll give you a +1 for that XD | 02:27 |
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| andax | "Over 1,200 Dhrystone MIPS using the superscalar ARM Cortex-A8" 2.2 GHz p4 has 4148 : http://www.tahi.org/lcna/docs/cpu-performance/processor.html | 02:28 |
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| jacekowski | correction | 02:29 |
| jacekowski | 2nd picture is NOKIA logo thing | 02:29 |
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| jacekowski | and it looks like a bitmap thing | 02:29 |
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| MohammadAG | the NOKIA logo is available as a PNG on device afaik | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | not sure where | 02:32 |
| alterego | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | replacing it changes the shutdown image | 02:32 |
| alterego | afaicr | 02:33 |
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| MohammadAG | right | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | startup_nokia_logo.png | 02:34 |
| jacekowski | writing 00000's at logo location makes everything white | 02:34 |
| jacekowski | except small usb symbol in corner | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, compare the image above to the ones you got | 02:35 |
| Funnyface | hmm I installed PR 1.3 and now nothing shows up in my program manager :\ | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | it's probably the same image | 02:35 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: look at link i pasted | 02:35 |
| jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/ | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | USB logo and 770 icon (R&D) are layers | 02:35 |
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| alterego | I wrote this: http://www.pastie.org/1291444 | 02:36 |
| alterego | last night because in dark in bed the keypad and backlight min brightness is stiill too bright :D | 02:36 |
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| MohammadAG | mce shall interfere | 02:37 |
| alterego | It does a bit | 02:37 |
| alterego | But with sustained use it's fine | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | stop mce | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | and you're done | 02:37 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: I have that - well - a similar one - set on a 'queen beecon' | 02:37 |
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| MohammadAG | also, I found a better way | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | lock the screen and sleep, it's what beds are for :P | 02:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I find the n900 ideal - better than a kindle - for reading books before going to sleep. | 02:39 |
| alterego | :P | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | with kindle I need to screw with the light to get the right lighting level | 02:39 |
| alterego | Yeah, induces eye strain earlier making you more fatigued ^.^ | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I personally don't find it a problem | 02:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | even reading large amounts - whole books | 02:40 |
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| jacekowski | who knows anything about n900 uboot | 02:42 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I was playing (fixing actually) an N8 for a friend the other day. | 02:43 |
| alterego | Kinda want one :( | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, ali1234 on #meego | 02:43 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I know a bit | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | he ported it | 02:43 |
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| MohammadAG | he's not there atm | 02:43 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, it's a cool device when it works | 02:43 |
| alterego | I think I've fixed the ssh blocking issue in meego | 02:43 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, this didn't work on Symbian^3 FYI http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser | 02:44 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I kept finding I was pressing the space around dialogs to dismiss/close/cancel them and getting a bit frustrated :( | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | you have to press cancel xD | 02:45 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: any reason for it? | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, no idea, no debugging on symbian | 02:45 |
| alterego | I know, it's a pain in the ass | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | other than TRK | 02:45 |
| alterego | Oh, that's lame | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | you can only test over USB | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | shit | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | battery low | 02:45 |
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| alterego | How does it not work? | 02:45 |
| alterego | Is anything shown? | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | yes, the UI buttons | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | and the QProgressBar | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | QWebView doesn't display the page at all | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | however, it seems to load it | 02:47 |
| alterego | Interesting | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | the progress bar moves from 10 -> 100, then it's hidden, meaning the signal for loading finished was sent | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | but QWebView remains white | 02:48 |
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| MohammadAG | anyone got google contacts with mail for exchange working? | 02:58 |
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| alterego | Ah, some late night t.m.o-ary | 03:03 |
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| alterego | g'night folks | 03:08 |
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| mvax | omg | 03:38 |
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| ColdFyre | ponies? | 03:38 |
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| mvax | irc still very alive | 03:39 |
| mvax | :) | 03:39 |
| mvax | im glad | 03:39 |
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| ds3 | unicorns? | 03:40 |
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| mvax | does anyone know if is there a way to me disable that vibra thing when receive something from conversations (jabber or skipe& | 03:43 |
| mvax | ? | 03:43 |
| lolloo | does skype have file sending? | 03:45 |
| lolloo | does it send pictures? | 03:45 |
| lolloo | so does skype offer file sending to contacts? | 03:46 |
| lolloo | do you know mvax ? | 03:47 |
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| lolloo | how is skype with you mvax ? | 03:50 |
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| lolloo | does it send files to contact on n900? | 03:51 |
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| mvax | no | 03:51 |
| mvax | i mail it when i need, cannot get that plugin in extras-devel working | 03:51 |
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| lolloo | it send files on n97 | 03:52 |
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| mvax | yes :/ | 03:54 |
| mvax | i got wrecked boot last morning with that power kernel upgrade | 03:55 |
| lolloo | yeah me too | 03:55 |
| lolloo | are you using 44? | 03:55 |
| mvax | 40 | 03:55 |
| lolloo | 44 supports U-boot for meeGo | 03:56 |
| mvax | does 44 working fine to u? | 03:56 |
| lolloo | yes it does unless you have multiboot installed | 03:56 |
| lolloo | there is a way round for that | 03:56 |
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| lolloo | am using it now | 03:56 |
| mvax | did you flesh whole firmware or just kernel? | 03:57 |
| lolloo | Flashed only kernel | 03:58 |
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| lolloo | I didnt do it | 03:58 |
| lolloo | I just installed it from app manager | 03:59 |
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| mvax | i will taste meego this weekend | 04:00 |
| mvax | during the week its hard to me | 04:00 |
| mvax | what about webOS | 04:01 |
| mvax | ahve u ever tried it in n900: | 04:02 |
| mvax | ? | 04:02 |
| mvax | have* | 04:02 |
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| b-man` | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho6Yhz21BJI - this would be fun to implement on the N900 with video-out to a tv :) | 04:08 |
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| b-man` | Imagine the games you could make with it | 04:09 |
| b-man` | lcuk ^ :) | 04:09 |
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| pupnik_ | b-man`: how is the camera recognizing the hands? | 04:13 |
| pupnik_ | is he using LEDs or something to click? | 04:14 |
| lolloo | one question please guys | 04:14 |
| lolloo | how can I check my firmware version on n900? | 04:14 |
| lolloo | or which kernel am using? | 04:14 |
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| pupnik_ | uname -a from shell will give you kernel info lolloo | 04:15 |
| b-man` | pupnik_: i'm reading into it right now | 04:15 |
| pupnik_ | http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1385640 looks like LEDs were used | 04:16 |
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| lolloo | this is what I got | 04:16 |
| lolloo | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power44 #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 10 15:18:00 EET 2010 armv7l unknown | 04:16 |
| pupnik_ | oh no... something difference | 04:16 |
| b-man` | pupnik_: http://tisch.sourceforge.net/#intro | 04:16 |
| lolloo | wow multitouch | 04:17 |
| b-man` | via camera :) | 04:17 |
| b-man` | and shadow tracking | 04:17 |
| b-man` | this would be cool for an interactive game on the N900 | 04:18 |
| lolloo | wow can N900 do same as Iphone multitouch? | 04:18 |
| b-man` | with this, perhaps :) | 04:18 |
| lolloo | awesome | 04:18 |
| pupnik_ | if he's recognizing hands just by the shape of shadows, that is worth a PhD | 04:19 |
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| pupnik_ | i'm waiting for the next killer app | 04:20 |
| pupnik_ | language translation from camera images | 04:20 |
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| pupnik_ | take snapshot of restaurant menu: see translation | 04:21 |
| b-man` | pupnik_: maybe you could rig up an algorithm that uses this software ;) | 04:21 |
| b-man` | since it tracks shadows | 04:22 |
| b-man` | you could draw letters xD | 04:22 |
| pupnik_ | lardman's app identifies qr codes | 04:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | Add voice recognition and translation | 04:38 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 04:38 |
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| Gorroth | hmm, apparently voice nav exists for the n900, in the form of sygic's app | 04:54 |
| Gorroth | and supposedly mappero does it too, but i haven't figured out how yet | 04:54 |
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| Macer | hm | 05:15 |
| Macer | is gftp still broken? | 05:15 |
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| Macer | anybody know a good X ftp client w sftp support? | 05:15 |
| Macer | or ncurses one? | 05:15 |
| mvax | no i dont | 05:16 |
| mvax | no i dont | 05:16 |
| mvax | sorry* | 05:16 |
| Macer | hm. let me see if gftp is better | 05:16 |
| Macer | has been a while since i tried | 05:16 |
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| Gorroth | Macer: i like ncftp in console (ncurses) | 05:21 |
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| Gorroth | in fact, i like ncftp over any other ftp client | 05:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | ncftp is good | 05:27 |
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| b-man` | hmm, my flashplayer crashed, wonderful \o/ | 05:54 |
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| GAN900 | Gotta love support articles about troubleshooting why an application isn't starting that describe finding the relevant logfiles by using the application | 06:00 |
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| Termana | good morning | 06:21 |
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| Macer | hm | 06:27 |
| Macer | gftp still sucks | 06:27 |
| Macer | well... not really but you cant double click to go into dirs or hit enter to do it | 06:27 |
| Macer | lame | 06:27 |
| Macer | i wish there were an ncftp for maemo with sftp | 06:28 |
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| Macer | wonder if there is a samba supporting filemanager | 06:30 |
| johnx | what about sshfs+normal filemanager? | 06:33 |
| Macer | havent tried it | 06:34 |
| Macer | but i needed something that didnt require mounting heh | 06:34 |
| johnx | why? | 06:34 |
| Macer | i could only wonder what chaos would become on disconnected ssh mouns | 06:34 |
| Macer | mounts | 06:34 |
| johnx | meh | 06:34 |
| Macer | i would rather use a client | 06:34 |
| Macer | heh | 06:35 |
| johnx | they eventually timeout | 06:35 |
| johnx | or you can just umount them after the fact | 06:35 |
| johnx | ooooor, you can bring them up on demand (with autofuse) and down on network disconnect | 06:35 |
| Macer | yeah but at least with a client i know where i stand plus i am sure you can set the timeout/reconnect stuff | 06:35 |
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| Macer | but no resume for sshfs with the fm ;) | 06:36 |
| johnx | enjoy gftp :) | 06:36 |
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| Macer | gftp totally sucks lol | 06:40 |
| Macer | and openssh sftp sucks as a client as well | 06:40 |
| Macer | :) | 06:40 |
| Macer | no delete in filemanager? | 06:41 |
| Macer | or move? lol | 06:41 |
| johnx | WAT? | 06:42 |
| johnx | I have move and delete ... | 06:42 |
| johnx | or we even talking about the same file manager? | 06:42 |
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| orlok | crashanddie: lol | 06:51 |
| orlok | crashanddie: you already got pasted onto wwp | 06:51 |
| orlok | crashanddie: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/we-manipulated-b-attack-scientology-73519/ | 06:51 |
| pupnik_ | need Dwarf Fortress for maemo | 06:54 |
| wmarone | o noes | 06:54 |
| wmarone | lol, can't post anonymously on a forum full of "anonymous" | 06:54 |
| wmarone | oh and whoever posted that is a tool | 06:56 |
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| Termana | phonephags? I am appalled | 07:00 |
| Termana | :P | 07:00 |
| Termana | We all have a life beyond #maemo right? | 07:00 |
| Termana | ....... right? | 07:00 |
| Termana | :P | 07:00 |
| orlok | anonymous are noobs anyway, i remember the anti-sci protests from the 90's | 07:02 |
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| orlok | pretty sure thats what triggered assange into setting up wikileaks too | 07:03 |
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| GAN900 | internet retardation | 07:03 |
| GAN900 | It's catching | 07:04 |
| orlok | heh | 07:04 |
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| orlok | heh | 07:04 |
| orlok | all the socked anons/channers are turning up | 07:04 |
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| djszapi | is there any change to jump to the desired page in the office-tools (pdf) ? | 07:50 |
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| pupnik | http://www.timdenee.com/oilfurnace/ "Oilfurnace, an illustrated Dwarf Fortress tale" [ things you can do in Dwarf Fortress ] | 08:09 |
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| Gorroth | Termana: i do. i'm going to union square tomorrow to test out squid and ettercap on my n900 | 08:16 |
| Gorroth | so that will be away from #maemo | 08:16 |
| Gorroth | though, i might log in while on the move | 08:17 |
| Gorroth | :-P | 08:17 |
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| chx | hrm, ettercap is ported? | 08:20 |
| Gorroth | yes, i ported it | 08:21 |
| Gorroth | i also ported squid and libnet | 08:21 |
| Gorroth | they're all in extras-devel | 08:21 |
| Gorroth | chx: squid has transparent proxy support and ssl bump (about to test at least transparent proxy support) | 08:22 |
| Gorroth | chx: ettercap has every feature except passive dns enabled. can't figure out how to get that working yet | 08:22 |
| Gorroth | chx: if you have some sort of problem with it, you can email the maintainer listed on it, and it will come directly to me | 08:26 |
| chx | mmmm nice. | 08:26 |
| chx | although never saw emails on those packags | 08:26 |
| chx | what did i miss? | 08:26 |
| Gorroth | apt-cache show ettercap-ng | grep -i maintainer | 08:27 |
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| chx | ahso | 08:31 |
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| chx | not on the website.got it. | 08:31 |
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| Gorroth | yes, i haven't posted info on my website yet | 08:32 |
| Gorroth | i'm still working on my site | 08:32 |
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| jvesiluoma | hmm, anyone here familiar with gstreamer? | 08:48 |
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| slonopotamus | damned patchers... | 08:50 |
| slonopotamus | did you know that diablo orig.tar.bz is NOT linux-omap-2.6.21? | 08:50 |
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| Gorroth | is the patch in debian/patches? | 08:56 |
| slonopotamus | Gorroth: diablo kernel has orig.tar.gz + diff.gz patch | 08:57 |
| slonopotamus | Gorroth: where diff.gz is 300k | 08:57 |
| slonopotamus | Gorroth: but the point is orig.tar.gz is _already_ something patched | 08:58 |
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| slonopotamus | that's one of the reasons i hate debian packaging. it encourages messing with upstream tarballs. | 09:02 |
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| TermanaDesire | slonopotamus: why should it be linux-omap? | 09:05 |
| TermanaDesire | It should be the mainline .21 kernel | 09:05 |
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| slonopotamus | TermanaDesire: because uname says omap-2.6.21? | 09:09 |
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| Gorroth | oh, i see what you mean | 09:11 |
| Gorroth | well, i thought the point of the debian packaging and debian/patches (quilt setup) was so you don't mess with upstream tarballs | 09:12 |
| slonopotamus | TermanaDesire: okay, orig.tar.gz contains fs/jffs2/respool.c now show me _any_ 2.6.21 that does have it. | 09:12 |
| slonopotamus | Gorroth: you do. because you run 1. unpack 2. run dpkg-buildpackage that creates orig.tar.gz | 09:13 |
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| Gorroth | yeah. well, i used debian/patches to add my patch for ettercap-ng, and it created the orig (actual orig) and the diff for me | 09:15 |
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| slonopotamus | Gorroth: that's what i talk about. | 09:18 |
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| knightstalker | Hello,Any one here who can help me with usb host mode?The problem is that my usb's led blinks for a moment and then it seems like its dead,retrying the process still gives no blinks until I restart my phone and retry then it blinks again and dies :P | 09:20 |
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| slonopotamus | so. anyone knows what was used as a base for diablo kernel? | 09:21 |
| johnx | knightstalker, what devices have you tried with it? | 09:23 |
| johnx | also, my guess: not enough power to run that device | 09:23 |
| knightstalker | johnx,checked the kernel messages,it says something like power too | 09:24 |
| johnx | yeah. that's your answer then | 09:24 |
| knightstalker | but its an age old 128mb flash device | 09:24 |
| johnx | old ones can be the worst | 09:24 |
| johnx | if they don't follow the rules when negotiating for more power, then they'll fail | 09:25 |
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| johnx | they also might have been lazy when designing the electronics: it might actually draw more power than a newer stick simply because the electronics are inefficient | 09:25 |
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| knightstalker | kingmax falied too -.- | 09:27 |
| Gorroth | so, i can get the MobileHotspot app working. it looks like it is doing the exact same thing i was doing when i wrote my own script that configures iptables and all that. | 09:27 |
| Gorroth | but i can't connect to it from any device | 09:27 |
| Gorroth | probably because the stupid thing runs in ad-hoc mode and the drivers and/or hardware don't seem to support master mode | 09:28 |
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| johnx | hostap capable cards FTW | 09:29 |
| Gorroth | is the n900 capable of running hostapd successfully? | 09:30 |
| Gorroth | if it can, i can package it up | 09:30 |
| Gorroth | hmm, my iMac can see the wifi network. just can't connect to it | 09:30 |
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| Gorroth | or... maybe it CAN connect! | 09:31 |
| knightstalker | lol | 09:32 |
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| johnx | Gorroth, hostapd != hostap module | 09:35 |
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| Gorroth | i see | 09:37 |
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| Gorroth | well, i can get the iMac connecting, and then i configure the client's IP/netmask/routing correctly, but i can't even ping the n900 | 09:38 |
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| pupnik | a jaw-dropping comic depicting the history of a Dwarf Fortress enclave http://www.timdenee.com/oilfurnace/ | 09:39 |
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| knightstalker | h-e-n didn't need kernel flash right? | 09:44 |
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| slonopotamus | one more time. anyone knows what kernel version is stored in orig.tar.gz of diablo kernel? | 09:54 |
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| asj_ | me too | 09:58 |
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| RST38h | moo, gentlemen | 10:06 |
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| crashanddie_ | morning | 10:24 |
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| TermanaDesire | Morning crashanddie_ | 10:25 |
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| knightstalker | Nope,it doesn't work,not with any flash disks | 10:28 |
| knightstalker | they blink for a second,and then they are dead,they blink on VBUS boost on | 10:29 |
| knightstalker | furthermore,I had very weird stuff with my external HDD,its led was on green all the time after vbust boost on,still couldn't be mounted | 10:30 |
| knightstalker | any ideas? | 10:30 |
| crashanddie_ | Chocolate dumplings | 10:31 |
| crashanddie_ | Now there's an idea. | 10:31 |
| knightstalker | w00t w00t :p | 10:32 |
| knightstalker | and can you explain that idea? | 10:32 |
| maybeWTF | it's dumplings with chocolate i'd guess | 10:33 |
| crashanddie_ | maybeWTF, good guess | 10:33 |
| knightstalker | -.- | 10:33 |
| knightstalker | Thats not helpful,any other ideas? | 10:34 |
| crashanddie_ | knightstalker, ever heard of clootie dumpling? doughboys? | 10:34 |
| knightstalker | no... | 10:34 |
| crashanddie_ | google iot | 10:34 |
| crashanddie_ | it | 10:34 |
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| knightstalker | is that...relevent? -.- | 10:36 |
| crashanddie_ | you asked "any ideas" | 10:36 |
| crashanddie_ | Chocolate dumplings qualify as "any". | 10:36 |
| knightstalker | so I fix 'any ideas about my problem' | 10:36 |
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| crashanddie_ | nope | 10:36 |
| knightstalker | lol | 10:37 |
| crashanddie_ | let's start from the beginning, what exactly are you attempting to do? | 10:37 |
| knightstalker | connecting my flash to my n900 | 10:37 |
| crashanddie_ | your "flash"? | 10:37 |
| slonopotamus | okay | 10:38 |
| knightstalker | usb flash/cool disk whatever | 10:38 |
| slonopotamus | after some investigation, i conclude that diablo kernel orig.tar.gz doesn't have _any_ exact kernel version | 10:38 |
| slonopotamus | more than that, it doesn't contain any specific commit from linux(-omap) git. | 10:39 |
| slonopotamus | ~curse everyone who modifies upstream tarballs | 10:40 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, everyone who modifies upstream tarballs ! | 10:40 |
| knightstalker | ~usbhost | 10:40 |
| infobot | usbhost is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 10:40 |
| crashanddie_ | knightstalker, ok, so how are you going about it? | 10:40 |
| knightstalker | well,I install h-e-n,got female-to-female adapter,connected the adapter to my Nokia usb adapter,opened h-e-n,connected the flash to adapter,clicked vbus boost on | 10:42 |
| crashanddie_ | could be your adapter asks for too much power | 10:42 |
| knightstalker | It blinked a sec and then stopped,I clicked enumerate,nothing happened,waited 10 seconds and clicked mount | 10:42 |
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| crashanddie_ | you're probably better off using a auxiliary-powered USB hub | 10:42 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, bought a 23" 1080p screen for the PS3 | 10:42 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, and Cod Black Ops | 10:43 |
| knightstalker | ah... | 10:43 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, the story doesn't make any sense, but it looks fucking good. | 10:43 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, aiming is a bit swidgy, hard to know when you killed an enemy or not. Sometimes they resuscitate a whole minute after you've shot them | 10:44 |
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| yacc | Any idea where the builtin IM app keeps it's logs? | 10:44 |
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| sejo | hmm can't install khweeteur? missing deps? | 10:45 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, you start every level/checkpoint with something like 2 billion ammo clips, meaning you could possibly just blast on continuously and not bother about actually hitting anyone. Other than that, jeep/helicopter/boat sequences are heaps of fun. Doesn't beat MW2 in my opinion, though. | 10:45 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, if you have the cash to spend, buy it, and sell it once finished. If you're tight on cash, wait 'til someone can lend it to you | 10:45 |
| knightstalker | how much is it? | 10:48 |
| knightstalker | there,I mean | 10:48 |
| RST38h | Something is wrong here | 10:52 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: How come I do not see MohammadAG talking, just yourself? | 10:52 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: wrt dvd playing with n900. tried bumping cpu freq to reduce framedrop? | 10:52 |
| RST38h | Weird crap | 10:52 |
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| RST38h | Hmmmm, no /ignores | 10:53 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: i see | 10:53 |
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| phellarv | RST38h: Me neither. | 10:53 |
| RST38h | slono, crash: Folks, are you sure you are not talking into the vacuum? =) | 10:54 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: hmm, decoding on pvr? do we have some libs for that? | 10:55 |
| knightstalker | I do not see MohammadAG either,but it doesn't matter :p | 10:56 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: >.> | 10:56 |
| ColdFyre | lol | 10:56 |
| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: how many frames it drops? | 10:57 |
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| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: well then, bumping to 1ghz should allow it to play at full speed | 10:58 |
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| slonopotamus | hmm, should i buy n800 for $90 or not? | 11:02 |
| aquatix | depends on what you want it for :) | 11:04 |
| slonopotamus | for my cruel experiments, of course | 11:05 |
| aquatix | then, why not? :) | 11:05 |
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| RST38h | slono: if it is brand new, why not | 11:05 |
| aquatix | not sure what they're going for nowadays though | 11:05 |
| slonopotamus | actually i have one already but its screen is kinda... used through by intensive on-screen keyboard usage :) | 11:05 |
| RST38h | slono: if it is used, skip on it | 11:05 |
| slonopotamus | RST38h: http://community.livejournal.com/ru_maemo/103406.html | 11:05 |
| RST38h | slono: you are talking of that ru_maemo post? | 11:06 |
| RST38h | Eh :) | 11:06 |
| slonopotamus | yep | 11:06 |
| RST38h | slono: Makes a decent mp3 player / book reader | 11:06 |
| slonopotamus | nah, decent book reader is palm m500 for $30 :) | 11:07 |
| RST38h | too small, screen looks like shit | 11:08 |
| slonopotamus | i was using it for about 3 years for everything. programming, messaging (yep, it's kinda tricky to hold palm and phone connected with irda with one hand and type with other) | 11:09 |
| RST38h | urgh | 11:09 |
| slonopotamus | there were not many alternatives in early 200x | 11:09 |
| slonopotamus | i would by eink reader if they cost smth reasonable here (~$200, for example) | 11:11 |
| RST38h | true, but still, m500 sounds uncomfortable | 11:11 |
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| RST38h | slono: Wwwwhy? | 11:21 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, ping | 11:35 |
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| khertan_ | Morning | 11:41 |
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| MohammadAG | morning khertan_ | 11:42 |
| aquatix | slonopotamus: the Kindle 3 is kinda nice; not sure whether you can get it where you live | 11:43 |
| * aquatix would have to ask some friends in the UK for example to ship it over to his country | 11:43 | |
| khertan_ | morning MohammadAG, still fighting with HAM ? | 11:44 |
| crashanddie_ | Go germany! "A German judge has shot to popularity after letting 42 speeding drivers off without charges in the last week because he thinks speed controls merely serve to fill the state's coffers rather than prevent accidents." | 11:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | slonopotamus, I need to write a authentication framework proposal | 11:45 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan_, heh, your way might be the only way, but that's kinda nasty :/ | 11:46 |
| MohammadAG | LOL crashanddie_ | 11:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, you get my very short CoD BO review? | 11:47 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 11:47 |
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| khertan_ | MohammadAG, exactly ... nasty ... as HAM :) | 11:48 |
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| MohammadAG | lol good point | 11:49 |
| slonopotamus | crashanddie_: for what? | 11:49 |
| crashanddie_ | slonopotamus, my company's VoIP server | 11:50 |
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| crashanddie_ | going for fag, 'later | 11:53 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ;) | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG | can't compile xchat | 12:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | is there anywhere that has an example .desktop file? | 12:18 |
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| Noobmonk3y | want to package up Kathy's knitting counter :P | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG | your PM window | 12:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | cool | 12:18 |
| khertan_ | Jaffa, pretty strange message you got on Khweeteur about sip version | 12:19 |
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| Jaffa | khertan_: Indeed. Stack shows it comes from "from PyQt4 import *" | 12:25 |
| khertan_ | PyQt4 import * ? | 12:27 |
| achipa | guys | 12:27 |
| khertan_ | Jaffa, funny as i use it without any problem | 12:27 |
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| achipa | the sip version thing is a version mismatch | 12:27 |
| achipa | someone/something made a version mess there | 12:27 |
| achipa | on it | 12:27 |
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| khertan_ | ? | 12:28 |
| khertan_ | uh ? | 12:28 |
| achipa | sip version ? | 12:28 |
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| khertan_ | Jaffa, ? | 12:31 |
| TermanaDesire | Question mark, ? | 12:31 |
| TermanaDesire | Question mark C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER! | 12:32 |
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| ptl | ouch | 12:37 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: Ah, cool | 12:39 |
| fdml | Hello | 12:40 |
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| fdml | is there someone who can help me? Got problems with my nokia n900 it wont startup anymore and shows somting about u-boot... | 12:42 |
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| Noobmonk3y | fdml: tried meego? and updated power kernel? | 12:46 |
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| fdml | power kernel update no meego.. | 12:48 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ahh ok there's help pages on the forums i think, will go hunt one out | 12:49 |
| fdml | no it wont even turn on.. Plz somebody help.. | 12:49 |
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| fdml | now | 12:49 |
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| Noobmonk3y | fdml: something like - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65420 ? | 12:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | now? | 12:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | well, meh | 12:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | back to what i was doing i say :P | 12:50 |
| fdml | yes!! that was what i see | 12:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | fdml: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=869654&postcount=4 | 12:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | looks like you just need to flash the stock kernel | 12:51 |
| fdml | sh*t ... ok thank ill see if i can... | 12:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | fdml: -> if you are using windows - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=869673&postcount=6 | 12:51 |
| fdml | thanx!! | 12:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | good luck :) | 12:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | shout back here if you have probs, i'm sure someone here has some clever ideas | 12:52 |
| fdml | thanks alot Noobmonk3y! | 12:52 |
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| Noobmonk3y | has anyone noticed how frals suddenly grew up and got a job, he's to busy stuffing trouts to come in here ;) | 12:55 |
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| * frals slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 12:56 | |
| Noobmonk3y | w0000t | 12:56 |
| blackthorne | hi | 12:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | hi blackthorne | 12:56 |
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| yacc | fdml, it does turn on, but everything beyond u-boot is shoot. The good part is that u-boot is able to boot an alternate system from SD card. | 13:00 |
| * Noobmonk3y likes having clever people in here | 13:01 | |
| tybollt | ~featurezilla | 13:01 |
| tybollt | ~,|,, | 13:01 |
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| chem|st | yacc: tried matan's workaround? | 13:04 |
| chem|st | yacc: did you install powerkernel? | 13:04 |
| yacc | chem|st, matan's workaround? and no I did not install the power kernel. | 13:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | yacc: have you got the problem too? | 13:06 |
| yacc | Which problem? | 13:06 |
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| Noobmonk3y | the not booting one? | 13:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 13:06 |
| chem|st | yacc: or are you just repeating fdml? | 13:06 |
| yacc | Only problem currently is that the phone has a tendency to have a dead pulseaudio. | 13:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | couldnt tell if you where helping fdml or ^^ as chemist said | 13:06 |
| chem|st | Noobmonk3y: exactly | 13:06 |
| * Noobmonk3y gets confused easily! | 13:06 | |
| yacc | Which I'd usually solve with a cronjob to check and start if missing, but this thing has no cron :( | 13:07 |
| * chem|st is lost already | 13:07 | |
| yacc | Noobmonk3y, I can try to help without having a non-booting phone ;) | 13:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | ?! | 13:07 |
| chem|st | ^^ | 13:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | it's like watching the tv channel dave - all the repeats in the wrong order | 13:08 |
| alterego | Hah | 13:08 |
| phellarv | "I cannot let you do that, Dave" | 13:08 |
| fdml | thanx for everyting everyone but realy got2go work now | 13:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 13:09 |
| fdml | ill try alter if its helps | 13:09 |
| fdml | thanx | 13:09 |
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| ptl | why all the joins and parts and no talk? | 13:33 |
| ptl | weird | 13:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 13:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | ;) | 13:33 |
| ptl | is freenode ok? | 13:33 |
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| Noobmonk3y | is it ever? ;) | 13:34 |
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| khertan_ | shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :! | 13:38 |
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| Knightstalker | ~pr1.3 | 13:39 |
| infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update | 13:39 |
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| jvesiluoma | hmm, seems like libgphoto & gphoto2 compiled nicely in scratchbox | 13:47 |
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| crashanddie_ | jvesiluoma, libraries usually do -- functioning is something else. | 14:00 |
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| ieatlint | hspda+ makes me smile... i'm downloading at 600KBps | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | bytes? | 14:02 |
| alterego | Simon McVittie, I know him! ^.^ | 14:02 |
| ieatlint | yes, byes | 14:02 |
| ieatlint | bytes | 14:02 |
| ieatlint | about 4.7mbit | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | neat | 14:03 |
| SwedeMike | I've actually been getting 781 kilobyte/s of TCP thruput on 7.2 megabit/s HSPA | 14:03 |
| crashanddie_ | those are streaming downloads, aren't they? | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Mine tops out at about 120kbytes | 14:03 |
| ieatlint | 2min and 30s for a 102mb file | 14:03 |
| crashanddie_ | Multiples files/request would be slower, wouldn't it? | 14:03 |
| ieatlint | SwedeMike: nice | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I've been streaming video quite a lot | 14:03 |
| SwedeMike | this is with a single TCP session downloading a file using http. | 14:03 |
| ieatlint | yeah, tmo us here where they tell me it's 7.2mbit | 14:04 |
| ieatlint | but i'm not complaining at 4.7 | 14:04 |
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| SwedeMike | 781 kilobyte/s is pretty much theoretical max, as this was in our lab with so much signal strength there was absolutely no retransmissions between the base station and the terminal. | 14:04 |
| Surfa | or practical :) | 14:05 |
| SwedeMike | and I was alone on the cell. | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | How many phones can go at that speed on a tower? | 14:05 |
| SwedeMike | 1. | 14:06 |
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| SwedeMike | per cell, a tower might have multiple cells. | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | and multiple segments | 14:06 |
| crashanddie_ | realitygaps_away, don't feel obliged to make us aware of your away status. | 14:06 |
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| ieatlint | well, i'm in a major city at 4am | 14:06 |
| SwedeMike | realitygaps_away: irc has this "status2 built in, you don't need to change your nick. | 14:06 |
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| ieatlint | so i'm hitting pretty ideal | 14:06 |
| ieatlint | i've stopped out around 3.5mbit during daylight hours | 14:06 |
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| khertan_ | crashanddie, you aren't tired to fight against all this stupid irc script ? | 14:07 |
| * mgedmin gets the idea of embedding the current time in his nick, to helpfully let people know what time it is | 14:08 | |
| * mgedmin wonders how freenode reacts to people who change their nicks too often | 14:08 | |
| khertan_ | mgedmin, quite a good idea ... do not forget to include seconds ... | 14:08 |
| * mgedmin decides not to risk it | 14:08 | |
| crashanddie_ | khertan_, nope | 14:08 |
| khertan_ | mgedmin, you ll be kline first time then glined | 14:08 |
| khertan_ | :) | 14:08 |
| crashanddie_ | no, freenode just doesn't accept the nickchange | 14:09 |
| khertan_ | oh ... nice | 14:09 |
| khertan_ | i prefere the undernet way :) | 14:09 |
| khertan_ | ban ;) | 14:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | undernet's policies are archaic | 14:09 |
| mgedmin | what a grim world we live in, where people can't even change their nicks in peace | 14:10 |
| khertan_ | ok ... gedit is bugged on n900 ... but does the same on desktop ... | 14:10 |
| * khertan_ need a good ftp linux client with a gui ! | 14:10 | |
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| khertan_ | grrr | 14:10 |
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| realitygaps | sorry guys, turning that away status off.... | 14:15 |
| crashanddie_ | thanks | 14:16 |
| xkr47 | lol | 14:16 |
| realitygaps | np, sorry didnt notice that was happening.... | 14:16 |
| * realitygaps will no longer be away | 14:16 | |
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| ebzzry | Does hostmode now work with titan's kernel? | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | not yet | 14:25 |
| BCMM | this is all awesome and stuff, but why does it have to be happening when i'm too busy to break my phone? | 14:25 |
| BCMM | :) | 14:25 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 14:36 |
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| xDaReaperx | why was this topic deleted by the admin ? | 14:37 |
| xDaReaperx | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64451&page=2 | 14:37 |
| xDaReaperx | there was a simple tutorial on how to install webos Games | 14:37 |
| xDaReaperx | how dumb | 14:37 |
| BCMM | is it illegal somewhere? | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | i would have to use c*** word | 14:38 |
| xDaReaperx | no it's not illegal | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | xDaReaperx: sort of is | 14:38 |
| xDaReaperx | it was simpler tutorial : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64822&highlight=Preenv | 14:39 |
| xDaReaperx | that tutorial above is dumb i wish that was deleted | 14:39 |
| xDaReaperx | so hard to understand | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | xDaReaperx: but less illegal than my fmtxd mod thats stil there | 14:39 |
| xDaReaperx | i used to install it in 2 command lines | 14:39 |
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| xDaReaperx | sometimes i hate the talk.maemo.org forums | 14:41 |
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| Robot101 | sometimes you like them?! | 14:41 |
| * Robot101 ducks | 14:41 | |
| alterego | Heh | 14:41 |
| xDaReaperx | no | 14:41 |
| xDaReaperx | sometimes i totally hate | 14:41 |
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| xDaReaperx | i never like though | 14:41 |
| alterego | I got a "thanks for your help" but he couldn't be arsed to click on the Thanks! button. | 14:42 |
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| X-Fade | Guys, it is a forum. Take a deep breath and get on with you life. Surely you got more important things to do? | 14:43 |
| crashanddie_ | X-Fade, BUT THEY ARE WRONG! | 14:43 |
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| xDaReaperx | yeah i've got to install this web os game | 14:44 |
| xDaReaperx | and the admin deletes a well tutorialised topic | 14:44 |
| X-Fade | If everybody lurking and posting on these forums would spend 1/10th of the time actually creating something, we would have 50000 apps. | 14:44 |
| crashanddie_ | xDaReaperx, erhm... I don't agree with you there. | 14:44 |
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| crashanddie_ | xDaReaperx, you are not entitled to anything by using these forums | 14:44 |
| crashanddie_ | And as far as I know, Maemo.org's policy has always been to not blatantly ignore software piracy -- if there are doubts | 14:45 |
| xDaReaperx | I'm entitled to getting help | 14:45 |
| crashanddie_ | no, you're not | 14:45 |
| crashanddie_ | you're entitled to diddly squat | 14:45 |
| xDaReaperx | =/ | 14:45 |
| alterego | Think I'm going to learn something useful today. | 14:45 |
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| alterego | How to write Qt documentation .. | 14:45 |
| crashanddie_ | if you have problems with your device, feel free to ask | 14:45 |
| Termana | crashanddie_ is being blunt about it | 14:45 |
| Termana | But he is right | 14:45 |
| crashanddie_ | 'course I am | 14:46 |
| Termana | This is a community. You're not entitled to anything. | 14:46 |
| xDaReaperx | i didn't do anything wrong | 14:46 |
| Termana | No one said that | 14:46 |
| xDaReaperx | you made a statement stating it | 14:46 |
| xDaReaperx | so i thought you did | 14:46 |
| alterego | Someone obviously thinks you did something wrong. | 14:47 |
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| alterego | OR that the post was too dodgy to have on the forum. | 14:47 |
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| xDaReaperx | probably the admin in this IRC | 14:47 |
| Termana | I didn't say you did something wrong, I said you're not ENTITLED to help | 14:47 |
| alterego | I don't think so :P | 14:47 |
| Termana | And if you created a topic that pushed piracy, then yes you did something wrong | 14:47 |
| Termana | It's against the forum rules | 14:47 |
| xDaReaperx | it was just a tutorial , i didn't share anything illegal | 14:48 |
| crashanddie_ | xDaReaperx, what admin in this IRC? | 14:48 |
| xDaReaperx | nothing ^ | 14:48 |
| xDaReaperx | nor did i make that post | 14:48 |
| crashanddie_ | that's what I thought, won't even stand for his own thoughts. | 14:48 |
| Termana | Heh | 14:49 |
| Termana | Talk about back peddling. | 14:49 |
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| Termana | You didn't just back peddling, you turned the bike around and rode the other way | 14:49 |
| Termana | peddle* | 14:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey, mooo | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I missed the fun? :-P | 14:57 |
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| alterego | Oh dear | 14:59 |
| Termana | morning DocScrutinizer | 14:59 |
| Termana | sure did :p | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, got my own fun with noobs on hostmode :-P | 15:00 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, I CAN HAZ PR0N ON N900? | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I was surprised that certain live-streaming websites work just fine on n900. | 15:01 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | "...but WHY doesn't mount sda1 work?? this is a *normal* memstick with 5 partitions!!" | 15:01 |
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| FireFly | Hmm | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Paul and me trying to help MohammadAG out of that hell, by posting about hostmode is unrelated to mounting devices at large. Seems it starts to help - slowly but does | 15:03 |
| FireFly | Is there anyone who knows how open/closed the Ovi Maps API is? | 15:04 |
| * mgedmin is confused | 15:04 | |
| mgedmin | isn't hostmode a prerequisite for mounting devices? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't charging battery as well? | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | or mamanging you bank account so you even can *buy* a device :-P | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | managing* | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | so you can't say these things are unrelated ;) | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you wouldn't expect your online banking deal with device mounting, would you? | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | maybe "necessary but not sufficient" | 15:05 |
| mgedmin | help! I cannot mount a usb flash card on my n900 because I don't have money to buy a n900! can someone send me one for free? kthxbye | 15:06 |
| ieatlint | mgedmin: please provide address | 15:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer, et al: i'm looking for slide feedback | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 15:10 |
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| Venemo | hi guys | 15:13 |
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| Termana | timeless_mbp, my feedback: they are invisible, I can't see nothing | 15:15 |
| alterego | Hey Venemo | 15:17 |
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| Venemo | hey alterego :) | 15:17 |
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| alterego | Just noticed, Maps doesn't even show you your current speed .. | 15:21 |
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| ham5 | gpsjinni | 15:22 |
| alterego | My app is better :P | 15:22 |
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| Scelt | jspeed seems to be nice | 15:22 |
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| Venemo | alterego: released yet? | 15:23 |
| alterego | Of course not :P | 15:23 |
| alterego | Maybe it'll never be released. | 15:23 |
| mgedmin | too good to be shared with the world, eh? | 15:23 |
| alterego | Too large and embarrassing. | 15:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: wazzup? | 15:25 |
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| Venemo | alterego: why embarassing? | 15:28 |
| alterego | Because the code isn't particularly tidy etc, etc, etc. | 15:28 |
| Venemo | alterego: and why should the end users care about your code being tidy? | 15:28 |
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| alterego | They shouldn't, and I don't realy care about end users :P | 15:31 |
| Venemo | alterego: didn't you say you wanna sell this on Ovi Store? | 15:32 |
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| alterego | Not too sure now. | 15:33 |
| alterego | I haven't really decided. | 15:33 |
| alterego | Want to get some input on it first. | 15:33 |
| Venemo | alterego: well... then release it, or show it to some people, or whatever :P | 15:33 |
| ham5 | firesheep for maemo? | 15:33 |
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| Venemo | alterego: is it Qt based? | 15:34 |
| alterego | Yes | 15:34 |
| Termana | alterego, what is your application? | 15:35 |
| Venemo | alterego: well then make a Symbian version too and earn a fortune with it | 15:35 |
| alterego | Nothing particularly interesting. | 15:36 |
| Termana | Don't listen to anything Venemo has to say | 15:36 |
| alterego | Just a GPS app a bit more like a handheld garmin GPS | 15:36 |
| Termana | He is suggesting you sell out! :p | 15:36 |
| alterego | No mapping, just the basic navigation tools | 15:36 |
| alterego | With a bit of funk and graphical glitz | 15:37 |
| Venemo | alterego: well I know the feeling anyway | 15:37 |
| Venemo | alterego: I also always make something that I never release | 15:38 |
| Venemo | alterego: but at the end I usually regret it, and by the time I actually do something about it, it's too late | 15:38 |
| alterego | I do quite wanna try it on an N8 | 15:38 |
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| munkiii | Anybody in here who know abit about Mobile Hotspot? | 15:53 |
| steinex | i know it works ;) | 15:55 |
| steinex | mostly. | 15:56 |
| munkiii | well it doesn't for me... | 15:56 |
| Venemo | do you guys have an idea why Transmission is not working? | 15:56 |
| munkiii | i've made a post, but had no replies yet. - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=871491#post871491 | 15:56 |
| RST38h | OMG, you have really made a post! | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | munkiii: please don't combine with multiboot! | 15:56 |
| munkiii | Ah, So can NITDroid and Mobile Hotspot not be used together | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless you know what you're doing | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | RTFM | 15:57 |
| munkiii | until PR1.3, i have been using Mobile Hotspot with Multiboot Kernel-Power without problems | 15:58 |
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| munkiii | RTFM for what? Mobile Hotspot? If you know of a "Fucking Manual" for Mobile Hotspot, can you point me in that direction? | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | multiboot is a uber-clever_hack/brainfart/hickup >select what meets your taste>. In fact MB is doing quite a number of weird/rogue things and is not exactly easy to manage or update | 16:00 |
| munkiii | I am asking because before PR1.3, MH worked fine with Multiboot. So i didn't assume it would be Multiboot related. | 16:01 |
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| munkiii | so again, RTFM for what? Mobile Hotspot? If you know of a "Fucking Manual" for Mobile Hotspot, can you point me in that direction? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MB is juggling with kernels by flashing them at boot time. Don't expect a simple installation of a new kernel will play nice with that | 16:01 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 16:02 |
| xDaReaperx | how do you reset the SSH password ? | 16:02 |
| xDaReaperx | on the N900 | 16:02 |
| xDaReaperx | i dont remember my old password | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ssh password? | 16:02 |
| ham5 | reinstall the server | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing | 16:02 |
| xDaReaperx | i dunno | 16:02 |
| xDaReaperx | it asked for entering SSH password | 16:02 |
| xDaReaperx | and username | 16:02 |
| xDaReaperx | while installing | 16:02 |
| andre41 | so set it? | 16:03 |
| munkiii | that'll be the Sudo Gainroot needed password i assume | 16:03 |
| xDaReaperx | ya had set it when i had installed long back | 16:03 |
| xDaReaperx | but i forgot it now | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | iirc it asks for *root* password | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you're managing passwords with cmd (1) passwd | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | see man passwd | 16:04 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 16:04 |
| munkiii | Anyway, DocScrutinizer, cheers for your "help", i'll be sure to ask you in the future for help with anything i need. :) | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | prepare for better sarcasm next time. I'm not as pissed as usual today | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if the "help" I gve wasn't sufficient to give you a clue where to look for proper setup / help. Then you won't find any better here | 16:08 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders whom to beat up a bit for multiboot :-P | 16:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer | don't care to look it up at dmo | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could we get a heuristic on buildhost to check for buzzwords like "flasher" "vmlinuz" "*.bin" "/lib/modules/*" <add others here as see fit>, and then buildhost auto-adds a "WARNING! This package is messing with your system, and to revert you most likely *have* to do a full flashing! Also any SSU will probably break your system" | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus pkg is auto-moved to (yet to define) group "user/device-killers" | 16:19 |
| ieatlint | heh, it would be a good idea... along with general package info like "this will access the network stack", "this will access the gps", etc | 16:20 |
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| alterego | Well, there are always ways around this. | 16:22 |
| alterego | I think what DocScrutinizer is suggesting is a more informed user warning in the app installer. | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:22 |
| alterego | Using it for security is pointless :) | 16:22 |
| alterego | Good idea, | 16:23 |
| ieatlint | eh, not entirely | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm about to think of yet another solution: a new repo: maemo-killers | 16:23 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:23 |
| crashanddie_ | djeezus, OOo is such a fucking big pile of shit | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pkg might get kicked there by public vote, or delibeartely by developer, or by heuristics | 16:24 |
| ieatlint | detecting access to things like the network stack, or a gps api is definitely detectable... and while it may be possible through some crazy workarounds to beat the detection, it typically is beyond the capability of those who create malware | 16:24 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: no, it's not :P | 16:25 |
| alterego | Not always | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: that's along the andritiot / win7 whatyacallit user management | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think it's both useless | 16:25 |
| alterego | ieatlint: no matter what you come up with, it will be trivial to work around if someone was in that kind of mind. | 16:26 |
| javispedro | don't worry, crap security is coming with harmattan | 16:26 |
| javispedro | and, morning. | 16:26 |
| alterego | I suggest not bothering to put up walls that will just invite them to break them down and give people a false sense of security. | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | hoora**cough*! | 16:26 |
| ieatlint | this is a much more in-depth discussion than i'm currently awake enough, but i'm not all swayed by claims that things like open() can't be monitored | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ javispedro | 16:26 |
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| alterego | ieatlint: so you'd deny people access to open? :P | 16:27 |
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| HateBreeder | hi | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | back on topic, my suggestion wasn't about security at all | 16:27 |
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| HateBreeder | i am soon n900 user:P | 16:27 |
| ieatlint | no, i'm not saying restrict access | 16:27 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I know, yes, so, I like your idea :) | 16:27 |
| HateBreeder | i have some questions and things what i want know... | 16:27 |
| javispedro | ~ask | 16:28 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got WAY TOO many useful apps in -devel | 16:28 |
| ieatlint | i'm saying inform the user at install time that it accesses things like an tcp/ip socket | 16:28 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: lol | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: *useless* | 16:28 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: that's indetectable at build time | 16:28 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: so it would be a "suggestion" at most | 16:28 |
| ieatlint | hardly | 16:29 |
| alterego | I think that's the point | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and *useless* | 16:29 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what's the problem with having useful apps in -devel? | 16:29 |
| HateBreeder | i have now samsung galaxy s but in wednesday and what u think about n900? is it slow and buggy? | 16:29 |
| ieatlint | it's not only realistic, it's accomplished and standard practise on symbian and android | 16:29 |
| ieatlint | and several virtualised jail environments on *nix | 16:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: it urges joe dumbuser to enable -devel | 16:29 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: the only say way to do any of this is to sandbox | 16:29 |
| toggles | DocScrutinizer: hey, i resemble that remark | 16:29 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: oh, right... | 16:29 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: and if you sandbox, why not go java all the way | 16:29 |
| alterego | And we don't have a controllable sandbox :P | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | and get access to things like multiboot, powerkernel, tweakfreq, without distinguishable warning | 16:30 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well the solution would be to encourage devs to push their stuff to -testing and then Extras | 16:30 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: i guess i'm in some chastised minority for realizing that anyone can make an app that can broadcast your imsi and gps location to a server :P | 16:30 |
| alterego | Venemo: some stuff, like uboot, should stay in dev as it's dev apps :P | 16:30 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: surpringly, they can also do it on the iphone | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: powerkernel made it's way to Extras, and doesn't it conflict with PR1.3? | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: and on andridiot it's *USELESS* | 16:30 |
| HateBreeder | what u say about android on n900, does it works so i can use it? | 16:30 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: +1 | 16:30 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: you noticed i left that off my short list :) | 16:30 |
| javispedro | heh | 16:31 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: but exactly the absence of this filter is partly what makes Maemo Maemo. | 16:31 |
| * javispedro envisions not being able to install an app because it "opens a socket" (to X11, but a socket...) | 16:31 | |
| * javispedro fears Harmattan.. | 16:32 | |
| alterego | Heh | 16:32 |
| ieatlint | oh please, the socket type is as easy to detect any the open call itself | 16:32 |
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| HateBreeder | okay i dont get any help in here and i go back in next week ... | 16:32 |
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| Venemo | alterego, DocScrutinizer: I obviously meant things that are intended for end users | 16:32 |
| alterego | @HateBreeder, thank you, don't come again :D | 16:33 |
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| alterego | Venemo: yeah, that's not so much what I think we're talking about here. | 16:33 |
| Venemo | alterego: what do you mean? | 16:33 |
| crashanddie_ | alterego, damn, I wish i could've banned his ass | 16:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | wb MohammadAG | 16:33 |
| javispedro | crashanddie_++ | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: please!!! it's mega fooodjsgabkbcq ixb to common user! | 16:34 |
| alterego | crashanddie_: :) | 16:34 |
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| ieatlint | and perhaps it is what makes maemo maemo... but i'll not be shamed by people shaming me for thinking some basic security on a platform that is woefully open is a bad idea. it relies on its obscurity to maintain even a semblance of security, and is historically short-sighted | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | alterego: crashanddie_: well, you'll be able to ban him if he comes again "in a week" as he said :) | 16:35 |
| * crashanddie_ puts a note in his calendar | 16:35 | |
| alterego | Venemo: We're talking about better informing users as to the potential issues of some -devel software. | 16:35 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:35 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: we do not rely on obscurity. we rely on the same the iphone does: reviewing. | 16:36 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: that's the entire reasoning behind extras QA. | 16:36 |
| Noobmonk3y | alterego: just shoot anyone with crap software... that'll sort it ;) | 16:36 |
| * Noobmonk3y hides | 16:36 | |
| Venemo | alterego: just point them to the wiki article about extras-devel | 16:36 |
| Venemo | alterego: and expand the article | 16:36 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: the fact that people prefer non-reviewed -devel applications for some weird reason says something | 16:36 |
| Shapeshifter | my dad bought a galaxy s. and once again, I'm extraordinarily happy with my n900 by comparison :) | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: all studies show that spamming user with "warning!" he doesn't understand gets you *worse* over all security, instead of increasing it | 16:36 |
| javispedro | (other than people are stupid... | 16:36 |
| javispedro | ) | 16:36 |
| Venemo | alterego: tell them that software from -devel can and will blow up their N900s | 16:37 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: don't make me quote you later in saying "we're as good as the iphone when it comes to security" :P | 16:37 |
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| Shapeshifter | n900 has such a crisp screen. and the IM integration is superb (one of the features I really use most) | 16:37 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: we're better, our review process is open, we suggest the source code to be open, etc. | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is true for zonealarm, as it is for andidiot install warnings, or for win7 | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | UAE or what'sit called | 16:37 |
| ieatlint | uh, the build system does not exactly require open code | 16:38 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: free extras devel does. | 16:38 |
| javispedro | er.. | 16:38 |
| javispedro | s/devel// | 16:38 |
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| ieatlint | no, it requires something i can submit the build system to be run through autotools | 16:39 |
| ieatlint | i can include precompiled SOs | 16:39 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: has that every passed extras QA? | 16:39 |
| javispedro | *ever | 16:39 |
| ieatlint | i honestly couldn't say | 16:39 |
| * javispedro would shot such a thing down | 16:39 | |
| Venemo | Shapeshifter: agreed :) | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | HELL, why get my nice topics always hijacked | 16:40 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: sorry :P | 16:40 |
| ieatlint | i'm heading off now, return to your nice topic :) | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 16:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | meyh meh | 16:40 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: because you talk about puppy abortion, so we extrapolate it to the much larger and flammier topic of human abortion ;) | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | telling a joke a second time... | 16:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | s/meyh/meh | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, anybody interested in reading ~30min backscroll and answer to my suggestions/thoughts up there? | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: see? | 16:42 |
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| Jef91 | Is the package mp-freemantle-002-pr the OS itself? | 16:43 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: you mean this one? | 16:43 |
| Venemo | [15:18] <DocScrutinizer> could we get a heuristic on buildhost to check for buzzwords like "flasher" "vmlinuz" "*.bin" "/lib/modules/*" <add others here as see fit>, and then buildhost auto-adds a "WARNING! This package is messing with your system, and to revert you most likely *have* to do a full flashing! Also any SSU will probably break your system" | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:43 |
| Venemo | seems to be reasonable | 16:43 |
| ieatlint | :P | 16:44 |
| * javispedro personally voted to dump non-GUI packages from user/* | 16:44 | |
| javispedro | but I lost :( | 16:44 |
| Venemo | maybe we should put those things into another repo, called 'extras-dangerous', or something like that | 16:44 |
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| maybeArgh | extras-toxic? | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES! | 16:45 |
| BCMM | heh | 16:45 |
| javispedro | I wouldn't do another repository with basically the same semantics as extras-devel | 16:45 |
| javispedro | what will happen is that extras-uber-devel will become the new -devel | 16:45 |
| javispedro | you have plenty of example... | 16:45 |
| Venemo | or extras-CanAndWillBlowUpYourDevice | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-12 15:23:20] <DocScrutinizer> though I'm about to think of yet another solution: a new repo: maemo-killers | 16:45 |
| maybeArgh | extras-YouWereWarned | 16:46 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: sane solution: get packager to add a few warning boxes. | 16:46 |
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| * javispedro really believes those packages shouldn't be in user/* either way. | 16:46 | |
| javispedro | but if they are, they might as well show some GUI... | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 16:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | with skull&crossedbones | 16:47 |
| javispedro | get an animated, floating, dancing, bumpy warning 400px warning sign | 16:47 |
| javispedro | all while playing the main theme of "Apocalypse Now" | 16:47 |
| Venemo | easy | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, all my ideas are easy, that's why they are good ideas :-P | 16:48 |
| Venemo | when the user adds this repo, pop up a dialog and ask him the question, "Are you ready to let your device be destroyed?" | 16:48 |
| javispedro | Venemo: user will not read message, answer "Yes" | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 16:49 |
| Venemo | and only enable it if he types in "Yes, I wanna let my N900 blow up" | 16:49 |
| * javispedro notes you all should read yesterday's discussion we had on #meego | 16:49 | |
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| javispedro | basically, even Stskeeps started calling them "lemmings". | 16:49 |
| Venemo | or, simply remove these things from the user/* section | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeeek #meego | 16:49 |
| Venemo | basically don't let them be installed from a GUI | 16:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer remembers the flames h-e-n team got by introducing i2c tools to maemo | 16:50 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and the hoops we had to jump to calm down the critics | 16:51 |
| Venemo | if we remove these things from user/*, one would have to use the command line to install them, thus making the entry level higher | 16:51 |
| javispedro | until someone sets up a "tutorial", that is. | 16:51 |
| javispedro | usually, most tutorials outside maemo.org are "how to hose your device" tutorials. | 16:52 |
| javispedro | hm | 16:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: did the build work? or still fighting freenode? | 16:52 |
| javispedro | this reminds me I should someday push on the topic of internationalized maemo.org, before N900+1 gets released.. | 16:52 |
| Venemo | javispedro: well yeah, until someone does | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 16:53 |
| Venemo | javispedro: we should discourage that | 16:53 |
| Venemo | javispedro: I mean, making some "tutorials" | 16:53 |
| javispedro | good luck with that.. | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 16:53 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, fighting freenode, I brought down the bouncer somehow | 16:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 16:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | only way to discourage 3rd party howtos is to offer a really good one from beginning | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | hm, no xnt14 connected, yep, it's dead | 16:55 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well then let's offer one with the proper warnings | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I don't see how this will help without making installation so "complicated" users will actually bother to *look* at a howto | 16:56 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: honestly, I'm out of ideas | 16:56 |
| * javispedro suggests reading yesterday's #meego | 16:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | WONT | 16:57 |
| Venemo | javispedro: the one that timeless_mbp said tl;wr? | 16:57 |
| javispedro | Venemo: no, a conversation between Stskeeps, smoku, me, RST38h, .. | 16:57 |
| Venemo | javispedro: oh. | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | #meego is bah, and in some way like tmo.s evil brother from anti-world | 16:58 |
| Venemo | javispedro: maybe you could summarize it for us? | 16:58 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: haha | 16:58 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: going back to your question | 16:59 |
| rmrfchik_ | what the hell http://pastebin.com/CKpL6X5h | 16:59 |
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| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: hehe | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: no way to fit kernel and uboot together somewhere | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but i think if i can compress uboot i can replace 2nd stage nolo | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, thought that's what is done right now?? | 17:00 |
| Venemo | nah, I'm off watching SGU | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (kernel+uBoot) | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nah it's read from sd card | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | WUT? | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uBoot lives at start of kernel mtd partition, together witjh maemo kernel. It boots maemo kernel if it doesn't find any meego kernel on uSD. That's what I've been told | 17:02 |
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| javispedro | Venemo: http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-11-11.log.html#t2010-11-11T19:49:02 | 17:03 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, you're away. | 17:03 |
| Venemo | javispedro: thx | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | NOLO boots kernel mtd partition, thus chainloading uBoot instead of maemo kernel | 17:03 |
| javispedro | ah, sorry, you're not away. | 17:03 |
| chem|st | another's "!" key is wearing out .... "well, it's too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my n900 is stocked to that devilish penguin u boot screen!!!!!!!!!!!!!" | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | rmrfchik, user/hidden, you can use a custom apt | 17:03 |
| Venemo | javispedro: I look back to IRC every once in a while :) | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | if NOLO would try to chainload uBoot from uSD, we'd not need any uBoot at all - first instance | 17:04 |
| rmrfchik | MohammadAG: how? | 17:04 |
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| MohammadAG | rmrfchik, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb | 17:05 |
| javispedro | Venemo: also, http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-11-11.log.html#t2010-11-11T20:10:36 | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | compiled that in PR1.2 times, but it should work on 1.3 | 17:05 |
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| rmrfchik | MohammadAG: changelog? | 17:06 |
| rmrfchik | t.m.o thread? | 17:06 |
| javispedro | Venemo: people start sharing experiences from there on | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | none, same as stock, changed --configure flags | 17:06 |
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| MohammadAG | rmrfchik, none | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | rmrfchik, configure.in: --disable-block-hidden Don't block 'user/hidden' packages], | 17:06 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: if nolo had became a proper bootloader we would have had no need for thirdparty workarounds | 17:07 |
| * chem|st loves conditional sentences | 17:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: Cpt.Obvious? | 17:07 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yes | 17:07 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you are right, nolo and stock kernel are on the same partition | 17:08 |
| javispedro | err.. | 17:08 |
| javispedro | s/nolo/uboot | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | uboot* | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | uBoot and kernel :-) | 17:08 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: just wanted to do a c3 sentence on that topic for fun | 17:08 |
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| * javispedro still wants to try and fix kexec based multibooting some day | 17:09 | |
| MohammadAG | sigh @ non working ke-recv | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | why does maemo have retarded system tools? | 17:09 |
| javispedro | maemo as a distro is a mess | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | fsck fucks up partitions (segfaults a lot) | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | busybox is... meh | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yeh, *real* development is kinda fun and frustrating same time :-D | 17:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: do not do development on maemo | 17:09 |
| javispedro | there's a reason the other day I had a problem with ETOOMANY partitions | 17:10 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: and with a proper kexec support in desired OSs we would do fine too | 17:10 |
| javispedro | I have a lot of chroots for ex. | 17:10 |
| javispedro | when time for "real ondevice development" comes I just chroot on a real distro | 17:10 |
| * MohammadAG has an SDK chroot | 17:10 | |
| MohammadAG | dumped it for an ssh scratchbox | 17:11 |
| rmrfchik | MohammadAG: how app manager installs user/hidden? | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | rmrfchik, apt-worker | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | red-pill mode :-P | 17:11 |
| javispedro | the issue here is fennec being in user/hidden | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, duh :P | 17:11 |
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| rmrfchik | i will download it by habd | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | why the hell did they disable it anyways? | 17:12 |
| rmrfchik | hand | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a brainfart | 17:12 |
| * javispedro requests some gas for his flamethrower while poining it at packager of fennec | 17:12 | |
| MohammadAG | ovi? fuck it | 17:12 |
| rmrfchik | nokia made a lot of insance decisions | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | ovi never worked | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | never will | 17:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | Mo Mo! What do i need to do to finish this packaging? :| still a bit worried i can't entirely do it myself :| | 17:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | wanna get Kathy testing it | 17:12 |
| chem|st | rmrfchik: no...! really? | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | even on symbian - while better than Maemo - it fails compared to the apple app store | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, link again, lost it :P | 17:13 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: free music refuses to download if account balance is ZERO (for some nokia cases) | 17:14 |
| * javispedro is surprised at the irony of the entire meego-uboot-tmo triangle of doom | 17:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | javispedro: i'm still laughing that theres 20+ threads created about it, and its quite a simple fix :P | 17:14 |
| javispedro | they wanted ... meego ... they got ... a PENGUIN! | 17:14 |
| javispedro | sounds like a film name already. | 17:15 |
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| chem|st | Noobmonk3y: and I am tired of merging threads since pr1.2 | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | B movie | 17:15 |
| * Noobmonk3y remembers raising an idea about having a single line news brief thing on tmo.. ie "PR1.3 Released - read here" or "Uboot screwing it all up" or "Blaaah blaaaah" | 17:15 | |
| Noobmonk3y | i even did a brainstorm | 17:15 |
| javispedro | Waaah Waaah | 17:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | but as brainstorm isnt used by the masses, no one cared :p | 17:15 |
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| Noobmonk3y | chem|st: can see why :( | 17:15 |
| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: it was quite useful when it was used by the masses, everybody dumped his random shitty ideas there and nobody cared. yay! =) | 17:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol ;) | 17:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | really though - its a developers tool brainstorm, not a community one | 17:16 |
| chem|st | Noobmonk3y: brainstorm failed as the volunteers could nothing do but edit freaking tmo threads (me) and thats why they quit proceeding | 17:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) :) | 17:16 |
| chem|st | Noobmonk3y: but mo meeting said we get it all working in 2011 | 17:16 |
| FIQ | ? | 17:16 |
| javispedro | .... it was designed as a community brainstorm | 17:16 |
| FIQ | how did i got HL | 17:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | creating a thread as a brainstorm and vbote on the thread would make alot more sense | 17:17 |
| javispedro | FIQ: you tell us | 17:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | javispedro: without thinking how most of the community work | 17:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | most go on, search, or just post, the information cant be hidden down a maemo back alley, i agree it should have worked, but didnt :p | 17:17 |
| * javispedro has some experience with how this stuff works... | 17:17 | |
| FIQ | um | 17:17 |
| FIQ | oh | 17:17 |
| FIQ | now i know why | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | bacon? | 17:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | chem|st: oOooo | 17:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: yes! | 17:18 |
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| FIQ | i did a quick multihighlighter to be compatible with nbs-irc, and seems ti failed to exclude "(me)" as an actual word | 17:18 |
| chem|st | Noobmonk3y: yeah the "single" instance was requested month ago just after they split it up, still want to kick-ass those freaks who wanted related tmo threads instead of build in tmo right away | 17:18 |
| FIQ | to* have failed* | 17:18 |
| chem|st | FIQ: lol | 17:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 17:19 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what's your email? I plan to redirect tmoers to you when they start hosing their devices ;) | 17:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 17:20 | |
| chem|st | FIQ: and I need to exclude pink and light-green from my nickcolor script... | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | dev@null.moon | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | pending to changer to joerg@paypal.com | 17:21 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 17:22 |
| xDaReaperx | anyone here installed any Preenv games on their eMMC ? | 17:22 |
| xDaReaperx | i mean WebOS * | 17:22 |
| xDaReaperx | games | 17:22 |
| javispedro | /home/user is on the eMMC | 17:22 |
| javispedro | so I think you're asking for "on MyDocs". | 17:23 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders bout "real hackers are amused they get paid for doing things they'd do anyway" and when this started to change to "WTF am I doing this?" for him | 17:23 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: matter of time | 17:23 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: has happened to me few times already... | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: When you start working on apps you didn't even know existed. | 17:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess it started when I realized I never got paid by ``nokia'' and never will | 17:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | Autobuilder question alls! | 17:25 |
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| javispedro | for me at least it's just that I get tired of nearly anything when I've been doing it for ~ a year. | 17:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | Why is this .changes file getting rejected, any ideas? - http://pastebin.com/vD28TXSu | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe it started the day I found my fridge empty in the morning | 17:25 |
| javispedro | shitty :( | 17:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | error = File upload error. You didn't upload a valid .changes file. | 17:25 |
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| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: are you writing .changes files _BY HAND_? | 17:26 |
| xDaReaperx | yes i'm asking for MyDocs | 17:26 |
| xDaReaperx | i installed NFSU on mydocs | 17:26 |
| xDaReaperx | it loads and it crashes when the loading bar comes | 17:26 |
| javispedro | strace or gdb it. | 17:27 |
| xDaReaperx | how ? | 17:27 |
| xDaReaperx | what command | 17:27 |
| chem|st | with strace | 17:27 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 17:27 |
| javispedro | "strace" :) | 17:27 |
| xDaReaperx | and then open ? | 17:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | javispedro: my first attempt at qt packaging, and MohammadAG has done it for me, cos it is a pain in the ass | 17:27 |
| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: but you are writing them BY HAND? O.o | 17:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | yet, the file is accepted when he does it | 17:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | but not wwhen i do | 17:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: strace <appname> | 17:27 |
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| Noobmonk3y | erm, well yeah | 17:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | how else do you create one? | 17:28 |
| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: do not! | 17:28 |
| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: why you can't run dpkg-buildpackage? | 17:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | i lie - MohammadAG gave it to me | 17:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | thats prob how it was done | 17:28 |
| xDaReaperx | i did strace nfsuc it says not found | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | dch :P | 17:28 |
| chem|st | xDaReaperx: strace is in tools repository | 17:28 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | javispedro, cause he's on windows | 17:28 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG51: shouldn't Madde provide dpkg-* ? | 17:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: IT WORKED! | 17:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | random! | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, your changelog is fucked up lol | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | rewriting it... | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | err? | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | it'll fail on the builder | 17:29 |
| chem|st | be good ppl | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | javispedro, it should, but never used it | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | chrissbx: o/ AYE | 17:29 |
| xDaReaperx | javispedro: when i try to run NFSU through : preenv ./nfsuc | 17:29 |
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| xDaReaperx | it wont open | 17:30 |
| xDaReaperx | is somethign wrong there ? | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | err chem|st ^^^ | 17:30 |
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| Noobmonk3y | randommmmmmmmmm | 17:30 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG51: should be slightly more easier than generating the package by hand... | 17:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh well | 17:30 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: that was a byebye | 17:30 |
| javispedro | xDaReaperx: preenv doesn't accept command line arguments, it just spawns a shell | 17:30 |
| xDaReaperx | oh ok | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ was a :wave: | 17:30 |
| xDaReaperx | NFSU never crashed when it was on /home/user/games | 17:31 |
| javispedro | xDaReaperx: so, when you get to run your game under strace, examine the log and watch for late errors | 17:31 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e last ~30 lines will show some "ouch, that hurts..." :-D | 17:32 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, who generates packages by hand? | 17:32 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: well, I thought he was writing a .changes file... | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 17:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | javispedro: i have no idea what i am talking about | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did once | 17:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | it's in the name <<-- | 17:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: you are a nutter though | 17:33 |
| pupnik_ | have you gotten any corporate interest in preenv javispedro ? | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | lol DocScrutinizer | 17:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US | 17:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err to javispedro | 17:34 |
| * MohammadAG self explodes his bases | 17:34 | |
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| pupnik_ | all dwarf fortress needs (apparently) is a little UI work for maemo | 17:35 |
| kerio | "a little" | 17:35 |
| pupnik_ | email bomb campaign :) http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ | 17:35 |
| MohammadAG | the fuck? scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/maecount_0.5.0_source.changes: Permission denied | 17:35 |
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| MohammadAG | someone broke the builder... on a friday | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 17:36 |
| pupnik_ | kerio: you experienced with DF? | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | someone messed with tmo stylesheets etc as well, some days ago | 17:36 |
| kerio | nope, always wanted to play it, always put off by the bad interface | 17:36 |
| xDaReaperx | i can't find strace | 17:36 |
| xDaReaperx | which rep is it in ? | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | TOOLS | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | tools/sdk repos | 17:37 |
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| xDaReaperx | ok | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-12 16:28:37] <chem|st> xDaReaperx: strace is in tools repository | 17:37 |
| xDaReaperx | okay sorry | 17:37 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, I hope you're there | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrn2read | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG: At airport, but yes. | 17:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: beware of printer cartriges | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, oh fixed, nevermind :) | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, safe trip | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, X-Fade and toners, apparently, they can be killers | 17:39 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, it worked | 17:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 17:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | it | 17:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | world peace? | 17:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | trout farming from thin air? | 17:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | omg it's on it's way to extras devel! | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | world peace always works in my living room | 17:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~trout Noobmonk3y | 17:41 |
| * infobot slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout! | 17:41 | |
| Noobmonk3y | yay! | 17:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | thankyou MohammadAG | 17:41 |
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| MohammadAG | yw, just get rid of notepad, please! :P | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: seen my suggestions/weird thoughts about "dangerous" apps and getting some buildhost heuristics? | 17:42 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: rf -notepad? | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: maybe even a devel-killing repo | 17:42 |
| * Noobmonk3y will move to ubuntu at some point | 17:43 | |
| BCMM | from what? | 17:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | have it on the laptop but hate swapping between the two | 17:43 |
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| Noobmonk3y | and cant remove windows as 2 girls use it atm and it has 2TB of crap on it | 17:43 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes, but I don't see that happening soon. | 17:43 |
| * DocScrutinizer neither - LOL | 17:43 | |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: For Harmattan that might be something else as the security framework needs to declare capabilities. | 17:44 |
| BCMM | MS Notepad is probably the most impressive example of wilful incompatibility I've seen | 17:44 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, "2 girls" you and your missus? *grin* | 17:44 |
| BCMM | i mean, how hard is it to support line breaks? | 17:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: ;) | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | nuke friggin PITA security framework | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's *EVIL* | 17:44 |
| X-Fade | Nah, it is not evil. It can be used for evil. | 17:45 |
| X-Fade | It all comes down to policies. | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it WILL be used for *E*V*I*L | 17:45 |
| * javispedro agrees | 17:45 | |
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| X-Fade | Perhaps, we'll see. | 17:45 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: then again, what it will forbide you from doing you probably won't be doing either way | 17:45 |
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| * MohammadAG images such a repo | 17:45 | |
| MohammadAG | I would upload a "You have 0.1s to cancel rm -rf /*, too late muhahahaha" | 17:46 |
| javispedro | bah | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | it owns *my* device, and next SSU Nokia owns my device and pr1.3 getting obsolete like cheese in the sun | 17:46 |
| javispedro | when are we going to upload a trojan to extras-devel named "2 GHZ OVERCLOCK OMG" | 17:46 |
| * javispedro will do if people promise not to ban me from here afterwards | 17:46 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, no, that's too obvious, it's clearly a fake | 17:47 |
| javispedro | I will also call in the usual "news channels" (slashdot, engadget...) | 17:47 |
| * MohammadAG uploads a 2.1GHz overclock | 17:47 | |
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| kerio | javispedro: why a trojan | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | with fsckng security framework Nokia is going closed hardware like all andridiot devices are | 17:47 |
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| kerio | upload a 2ghz overclocker to extras-devel | 17:48 |
| kerio | :) | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | we'll have to deal with shit like jailbreak etc | 17:48 |
| javispedro | heh | 17:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I *EXPLICITLY FORBID* Nokia to push any cryptoshit sihned locked bootloader to my device. It's MY device - not >theirs< | 17:49 |
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| andre41 | shweet | 17:50 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: they're not going to push anything to your N900, but, you know, vote with your wallet when the next device comes... | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | We were promised an open mode, so I'm not too worried. | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I also doubt Nokia is allowed to publish FOSS under such a "security framework" ownership deprivation policy | 17:51 |
| * javispedro would be worried because we still don't fully know the limitations of the open mode | 17:51 | |
| javispedro | ie no ovi store apps at all because of custom kernel? sucks. | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: well, be sure that everything needing drm or copy protection won't work. | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: that's BULLSHIT | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | "open mode" means you got a device with a nulled ram | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically | 17:52 |
| javispedro | ? | 17:52 |
| javispedro | ah, I see. | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | open mode can not run any "secure" app | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the whole OS is "secure", then open mode means you're fucked | 17:53 |
| javispedro | what's going to be funny, | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | Well, in open mode you can create your own sec policies. | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | So you can secure your own apps ;) | 17:53 |
| javispedro | is that I'm going to bet that the WebOS, with NO drm, will have more applications in the ovi store =) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha | 17:53 |
| javispedro | s/ovi/palm ;) | 17:53 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shakes head, deeply saddened, about nobody understands security framework is about DRM, not about security as in app-armor or SE | 17:54 | |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I've said I agree with you. | 17:55 |
| pupnik_ | actually i think people understand that nowadays | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: That is not true. | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's ZERO you as a user or FOSS devel will earn from security framework | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: You can make sure no other apps touch your files for example. | 17:55 |
| BCMM | "who's security?" | 17:55 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: is it protecting the system from the applications (app-armor) or is it protecting the applications from the system (aka DRM)? | 17:56 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: from what I read on the wiki, and what you've said, I think: both. | 17:56 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Both. | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: BS, I am used to do this with unix permissions and user/group | 17:56 |
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| X-Fade | javispedro: It can protect files, use secure encrypted storage, get notified about capabilities etc. | 17:57 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: and provide an API for applications to refuse to boot if the device has been "tampered" with. | 17:57 |
| javispedro | aka IsThisClosedMode() | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: No. | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: It can not start apps then. | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: great, and what of all this can't be done by possix-capabilities and tools like app-armour or linux-SE | 17:58 |
| javispedro | uh? | 17:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: But once bootloader declares the kernel is signed, it will run. | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Using the tpm thing in omap. | 17:58 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: so similar to what I said, it will provide means for applications to refuse to run if in open mode. | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yes. | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the only NEW thing of security framework is DRM, and you bet you are deprived of your device when it comes | 17:58 |
| X-Fade | Basically the device as a different device key in open mode. | 17:59 |
| javispedro | well, this is the DRM part. | 17:59 |
| javispedro | you might now as well call open mode "developer mode" and call the N9 the "iPhone 5" or the "Pre 3".. | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | security framework IS EVIL, it's the hoofed one | 18:00 |
| X-Fade | But for software development, they either need to provide some sort of self-signing or make a workable system in open mode. | 18:00 |
| * alterego is now implementing a Qt based graphing system in a similar vein to rrdtool | 18:00 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | angry birds: sorry your system is in open mode, terminating | 18:01 |
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| X-Fade | Can well be, that is not known. | 18:01 |
| javispedro | looking on the bright side, this might deter users from overclocking ;) | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | netstat: error: no kernel support - secure mode kernel | 18:01 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: No, in openmode you can run your own kernel. | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | gbd? sorry we didn't bother yet to implement it, as it doesn't run on user mode anyway | 18:02 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: but not angry birds. | 18:02 |
| javispedro | (example only) | 18:02 |
| MaikB | Hello. I'm trying to set up sbrsh. I can issue simple commands like `sbrsh 29999,29999,user ls', but I can't get my scratchbox user dir mounted. This is my ~/.sbrsh http://pastebin.com/p3qDtLc5 and this is the result I'm getting http://pastebin.com/0caBkzqF. | 18:02 |
| javispedro | I understand that Rovio might decide to allow for Angry Birds to run in open mode. | 18:02 |
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| nidO | X-Fade: thats his point - theoretically if software wont run in open mode, users wont blindly be opening it to overclock via a 3rd party kernel | 18:02 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Well yes, that is why I said it is all up to the policies. | 18:02 |
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| javispedro | and, fortunately, third parties seem to be oblivous to this. | 18:03 |
| MaikB | It would be nice if those of you who use sbrsh can have I look. Thx | 18:03 |
| javispedro | at least on the Pre there is a trivial copy protection API that ... no third party uses. | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | that is why I say all devels of security framework got brainwashed by industry | 18:03 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: As 99% of customers won't ever run in open mode. | 18:03 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: I agree. Issue is, the other 1% is on tmo or here ;) | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yes. Man I love to play advocate of the devil :) | 18:04 |
| * javispedro goes communist | 18:04 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: sorry, I can't answer to this. My education, you know... | 18:05 |
| javispedro | so, basically, those EVIL capitalist PIGS will RESTRAIN our RIGHT TO PLAY Angry Birds with our OVERCLOCKED KERNELS!! | 18:05 |
| javispedro | comrades, unite!! | 18:05 |
| javispedro | </ ;) > | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | javispedro: Think of the uptime as you have to reboot | 18:05 |
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| * javispedro notes that what will happen is that the 30th day after the device is released, someone will crack this and from then one everyone will run the cracked kernel. | 18:07 | |
| mgedmin | comrade, how dare you PLAY Angry Birds when EVERYONE knows it IS NOT FREE SOFTWARE !!!!1!1! | 18:07 |
| tobis87 | It's even worse, the security framework will not only "secure" apps: "Use of single reference hash list instead of ELF signed binaries and EA has certain advantages. It allows to have protection for scripts and data files, which do not have ELF header." | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I promise to start hardware nuking viruses for Nokia NIT with linux based security framework enabled devices | 18:07 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: <3 | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | to prove security framework is about all but security and to teach Nokia about spirit of FOSS | 18:08 |
| javispedro | ... and the noone will talk about it again, making the topic one of those issues that only popup from time to time when talking about extremism... | 18:08 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: it will be easy! | 18:09 |
| kerio | just require the device to be in closed mode using the security api | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | doesn't do any further harm as the DRM loving ignorant crowd is moving ahead anyway | 18:10 |
| dsg | ugh, fuck DRM. And fuck any developer who insists on it. | 18:10 |
| tobis87 | And I even may have helped them, because I found that bug with hw. accel. which surely will be used for that power framework. Btw sidenote the driver is written for omap3630, at least it includes an workaround for that cpu. | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | why just developers, dsg? | 18:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | how long is the build process nowadays? (Before getting into extras devel?) | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | drm is usually imposed by ignorant management | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | security framework IS linux-SE minus awesomeness plus DRM! | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | Noobmonk3y: Build is quite quick. Dunno how quickly the repo gets populated. | 18:11 |
| javispedro | tobis87: imho it is pretty clear by now that n9 has that | 18:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks Jaffa :) | 18:11 |
| javispedro | tobis87: same as pre2 | 18:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | it used to me 27 minutes when i was doing healthcheck, just seems a bit slower today :) | 18:11 |
| javispedro | expect 1 ghz | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Another nice marketing term :) | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | 1GHZ!!! | 18:12 |
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| nidO | well that marketing term is getting old now | 18:12 |
| javispedro | yes, virtually no difference. pft. | 18:12 |
| nidO | DUAL CORE!11 is where its at now. | 18:12 |
| * javispedro would prefer a9, with jazelle dbx again :) | 18:12 | |
| X-Fade | I want an A15 | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | With Quad 604 gpu. | 18:13 |
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| mgedmin | only don't stuff it into your pockets, so they won't catch on fire | 18:13 |
| X-Fade | Same power footprint. | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: why? to playback DVD on a DRM protected commercial player? | 18:14 |
| X-Fade | No, on our quad display morphing devices of course :) | 18:14 |
| javispedro | holograms!! | 18:14 |
| javispedro | skip the 3D tablet altogether and aim directly for the holograms hype | 18:15 |
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| mgedmin | laser direct-to-eye painting | 18:15 |
| Venemo | hi again, guys | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: which comes with DRM implemented by security-II framework directly into your brain | 18:15 |
| * mgedmin wonders if he should re-read Snow Crash again | 18:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | courtesy expert lemmings | 18:16 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you have to put your brain in Open Mode, comrade! | 18:16 |
| mgedmin | warning: watching pirated content may hurt your eyeballs | 18:16 |
| tobis87 | The security framework could also be enforced on the N900 with Meego and an updated official Nolo (which is now discussed in the release team) | 18:16 |
| javispedro | tobis87: Meego has no security framework as of now | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, my point | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: ^^^ | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | tobis87: Sure, N8x0 had that capability too. | 18:16 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: 1.2 :) | 18:17 |
| javispedro | :( | 18:17 |
| tobis87 | No, but It will be used any time in the future. | 18:17 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ARGH! The evil capitalists ARE GOING TO PUSH DRM TO YOUR N900!! | 18:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'd go to bed with capitalists and not touch security fw apologets with a 5 yards pole | 18:18 |
| * javispedro goes grab aluminum foil | 18:18 | |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: hehe, I understand, just joking :) | 18:18 |
| tobis87 | I also don't like SELinux or Apparmor. Grsecurity is somehow nice, because it includes PaX. | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | HELL, if they at least were paid properly for that shit they do | 18:19 |
| javispedro | the fact that Nokia seems to be willing to spend the effort to push the security stuff to the N900 worries me | 18:19 |
| javispedro | because that means future ovi store will clearly require drm... | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | But the code is all in the open, you can play with it now. | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | meego-security on gitorious. | 18:20 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: why, they are not paid? | 18:20 |
| X-Fade | If nobody looks at the code before it ends up in devices, who do we blame :) | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: nuclear device specs are also in the open now - suggest to play with that too? | 18:21 |
| nidO | point is though, theyll be wanting ovi drm because commercial developers will want it, and persuading commercial developers that drm isnt a "good idea" isnt helped by incidents such as the rampant piracy of webos games all over tmo the day preenv hit the repos | 18:21 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: That is a lot less safe. | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | what sort of drm does android have? | 18:21 |
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| javispedro | nidO: I've put it many times that webos does have a trivial copy protection, and no game uses it. | 18:21 |
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| javispedro | nidO: case in point, preenv will refuse to run such games. | 18:22 |
| javispedro | nidO: no complains about it yet. | 18:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry, I have to take a break not to get too offensive. I guess everybody willing to listen got my point | 18:22 |
| X-Fade | It is also sad that there is no easy way to legally get these games. | 18:22 |
| javispedro | no, without a pre no. | 18:22 |
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| X-Fade | I would be willing to pay for them, but I can't. | 18:23 |
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| javispedro | and I bet that the situation is not going to improve... | 18:23 |
| javispedro | I'd wish. | 18:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | khertan_: lol... your next tweet will be "gregjroberts: who are you?" :) | 18:23 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, it only serves as an example for piracy now though :( | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I paid for my N900 and I AM NOT INTERESTED in somebody locking up next PR with crypto+DRM bullshit, so you can legally pay for OVI crap | 18:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: i actually agree with you... | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | cya peeps | 18:24 |
| * Noobmonk3y washes his mouth out | 18:24 | |
| Noobmonk3y | ciao | 18:24 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: yes, and also causes extra work on tmo mods :( | 18:25 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well if you don't wanna, you could always reflash with an earlier FW without the stuff you don't want | 18:25 |
| khertan_ | Noobmonk3y, :) | 18:25 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: but I of course got your point | 18:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | ;) | 18:25 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Yeah, it is so cool from a tech pov, but the abuse is the dark side of it. | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo: try to flash PR1.2 and restore your apps - enjoy MUHAHAHABWAHAHA | 18:25 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: it is also not cool from a tech pov, it was plainly easy...... | 18:25 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: :( | 18:26 |
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| X-Fade | It should give developers an idea that it is viable to develop games for both platforms in one go. | 18:26 |
| lcuk | javispedro, noticing a trend that your apps cause more work for departments. | 18:26 |
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| khertan_ | Drm ? where to ? | 18:27 |
| javispedro | lcuk: I guess I should start making themes instead ;) | 18:27 |
| Venemo | DocScrutinizer: but I don't get what the problem with Ovi DRM is. for any commercial developer this it is kind of a blocker not to have one, isn't it? | 18:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | javispedro: you could make notepad for maemo ;) | 18:27 |
| BCMM | Venemo: yeah, that's exactly why there is no software available for Windows anymore | 18:27 |
| X-Fade | Hmm need to go through immigration, let's see. bbl or bbiab ;) | 18:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol X-Fade | 18:28 |
| javispedro | cya X-Fade | 18:28 |
| khertan_ | why #FF | 18:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | is everyone verging on dublin today? | 18:28 |
| Venemo | BCMM: well, I can understand both standpoints | 18:28 |
| lcuk | lol javis | 18:28 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: I wish I could go there, but I can't | 18:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | khertan_: why not? :) - just cos i read all your tmo blurb etc, doesnt mean i can't #ff you :) | 18:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: me too :( | 18:28 |
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| khertan_ | Noobmonk3y, hum ... maybe ... just that i didn't understand what it s mean :) | 18:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | Follow firday | 18:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | i dont use it often, but the idea is my followers follow people i put in the #ff tags | 18:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | 'follow friday' | 18:30 |
| khertan_ | ah ... ok :) this explain the long list of nickname :) | 18:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | ie on a friday, people post #ff posts to show other followers decent people to follow :) | 18:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup :0 | 18:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | search twitter for #ff you'll see thousands of others | 18:30 |
| SpeedEvil | What about indecent people to follow? | 18:31 |
| SpeedEvil | They're far more fun. | 18:31 |
| lcuk | sexy saturday | 18:31 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: just the flight ticket to Dublin and back would cost me almost a month's salary, hehe | 18:31 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: this is the problem with part-time jobs | 18:31 |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: i could have driven but cant afford to drive, let alone fly and stay on someones floor atm ;) | 18:31 |
| Noobmonk3y | just moved with the missus so my monthly free income is about £200 atm! lol - most of that goes on ciggies lol | 18:32 |
| * ShadowJK screams at ovi maps | 18:32 | |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: lol | 18:32 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: why is that? | 18:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | ShadowJK: when you scream at ovi maps, compare it to screaming in space..... | 18:32 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: Do you really think, they would backport that "security" framework to Maemo for Pr1.4? That would be too much work, Nokia also doesn't backport important driver fixes, e.g. wl12xx power fix. | 18:33 |
| ShadowJK | I search for "Backlandsvägen", and it offers me "Bäcklandintie" and "Mäkitie" | 18:33 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: seems it does not know that location | 18:34 |
| Venemo | tobis87: well I don't think there'll be any more PRs after 1.3 | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | actually, "Mäkitie" is in the right place | 18:34 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, a bit it was :) | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | it just translated it into another language | 18:34 |
| ShadowJK | just in case I didn't want to use the local language | 18:34 |
| javispedro | tobis87: only reason I could see that happening is if N900 becomes useless to consumer without it (for ex. if they force current ovi store to have DRM) | 18:35 |
| Turski | ShadowJK: umm, which city? | 18:35 |
| javispedro | tobis87: even then I'd find that unlikely *relief* | 18:35 |
| tobis87 | Venemo: Yes, I also think so. If you don't install Meego you won't get the security framework in the future. | 18:35 |
| Venemo | ShadowJK: so it is not a bug but a feature? | 18:35 |
| ShadowJK | Turski, it's in the countryside | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: I only see that if they do a consumer version of MeeGo for N900. No other way. | 18:36 |
| MaikB | Regarding my sbrsh problem: Rather than using `sbrsh --remote' I added a matching user to the N900 (sbrshd was already running at this point) with this commands sequcence: http://pastebin.com/heHWaCLL . The ~/.sbrsh config file is still the same http://pastebin.com/2pTKfNWG. Unfortunately the error is still the same as well: http://pastebin.com/CGQTrs8f | 18:36 |
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| ShadowJK | Venemo, yeah except not even people living there know the names in both languages | 18:36 |
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| Venemo | X-Fade: I don't think it is likely to happen | 18:36 |
| X-Fade | Venemo: Me neither :) | 18:37 |
| GAN900 | Woo, converted another iPhone user. | 18:37 |
| Venemo | X-Fade: maybe there'll be a community MeeGo for N900, but I doubt it'll be anytime soon | 18:37 |
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| Venemo | GAN900: congrats | 18:37 |
| javispedro | Venemo: there's one already :) | 18:37 |
| nidO | man, the govt is really going overboard on getting rid of the UK's ID card info | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: too bad. Meego going to be the worse iOS | 18:37 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: going back to the thing | 18:37 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, N900. | 18:37 |
| Venemo | javispedro: the one that I've seen on videos is just plain awful... | 18:38 |
| MaikB | hm, I think its an ssh issue | 18:38 |
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| Venemo | javispedro: not worth to replace good old Maemo yet | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: isn't maemo declared 'dead' for N900, and everybody recommends devels should move to meego and its security framwork bullshit? | 18:38 |
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| Venemo | javispedro: maybe if we did a MeeGo release with Hildon-Desktop instead of that crappy Handset UX thing | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i meant that you can't replace nolo with uboot + kernel image because 1st stage bootloader has limits on size | 18:38 |
| javispedro | Venemo: well, I don't see what you'd win | 18:39 |
| Macer | make hildon do portrait :-P | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never suggested that | 18:39 |
| Macer | lol | 18:39 |
| Venemo | javispedro: a nice UI | 18:39 |
| javispedro | Venemo: other than a potentially nicer userspace | 18:39 |
| * Macer hides | 18:39 | |
| sar3th | is there a easy way to listen to a shoutcast server using a n900 with pr1.3? | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | kacmy question was if we could bundle NOLO and uBoot | 18:39 |
| javispedro | Venemo: I mean by replacing Maemo with Meego. | 18:39 |
| MaikB | DocScrutinizer, Given that Qt used for development no Maemo, the port to MeeGo should be too hard | 18:39 |
| javispedro | Venemo: while keeping h-d. | 18:39 |
| MaikB | on* | 18:39 |
| X-Fade | sar3th: Yes, the mediaplayer. | 18:40 |
| MaikB | shoudn't* | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MaikB: completely point-missing | 18:40 |
| MaikB | meh typos meh | 18:40 |
| Venemo | javispedro: compatibility with MeeGo's rpm repos, but keeping the current (superior) UI | 18:40 |
| sar3th | X-Fade, please elaborate | 18:40 |
| MaikB | Doc, enlighten me | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: my question was if we could bundle NOLO and uBoot | 18:40 |
| Macer | Venemo: cant people do that? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MaikB: meego is *EVIL* | 18:41 |
| Venemo | Macer: what do you mean? | 18:41 |
| Macer | i mean... what is stopping you now? | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | sar3th: There are 4 icons in that app, which one would you think? | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's a no-go as well, uboot itself is 30% bigger than nolo | 18:41 |
| Venemo | Macer: what's stopping me from what? | 18:41 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: not necessarily on the nolo partition | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but that can be worked around | 18:41 |
| javispedro | (I Guess) | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: no space left on mtd | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | sar3th: Internet Radio, rings a bell? :) | 18:41 |
| sar3th | yes | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | that would require completly new fiasco image | 18:41 |
| sar3th | but how do i select the server then? | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | esspecialy rootfs image | 18:41 |
| sar3th | i.e. add my own one | 18:41 |
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| X-Fade | sar3th: click on the top. | 18:41 |
| X-Fade | sar3th: add radio bookmark. | 18:42 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: tbh I do not know what this discussion is about so I probably shouldn't participate, but current uboot does install a (uboot+stockkernel) bundle in current kernel mtd partition. | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: :nod: | 18:42 |
| sar3th | then http://server:8000 as url? | 18:42 |
| sar3th | and that ought to work? | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | sar3th: Yes. | 18:42 |
| MaikB | EVIL is a term that is used to scare the simple minded so they follow. | 18:42 |
| sar3th | ok, thanks X-Fade | 18:42 |
| MaikB | Good luck with such an approach among developers | 18:43 |
| sar3th | didn't know it really was that simple >_< | 18:43 |
| Macer | Venemo: putting hiln in meego? | 18:43 |
| MaikB | I didnt work in the past, and it won't work in the future | 18:43 |
| Macer | :) problem with an idea is that it usually dies as one | 18:43 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, on multiple occasions its been mentioned about your harsh OTT descriptions of things, sure we know and understand things aren't always to your satisfaction, but you certainly know how to push the FUD down. | 18:44 |
| Venemo | Macer: well what's stopping me is that there is no reason to do so yet | 18:44 |
| Macer | why not? | 18:44 |
| Macer | no working n900 meego yet? | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so uBoot pkg had to package preinst any actually used kernel with uBoot binary, prior to flashing it. It also should replace/override the local flasher call to flash a kernel SSU way, by same wrapping-up toolkit invocation | 18:44 |
| Macer | :) | 18:44 |
| norayr | ppl | 18:44 |
| Venemo | Macer: because I know of no MeeGo repos that would contain more stuff than the current Maemo repos | 18:45 |
| norayr | where are sms messages? | 18:45 |
| Venemo | Macer: so unti MeeGo becomes mainstream, this would be a waste | 18:45 |
| Macer | Venemo: make your own repo | 18:45 |
| norayr | i've got an sms from unknown number, minimized it, and it lost after reboot | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ??? mind to get more specific please? | 18:45 |
| norayr | i need the history | 18:45 |
| Venemo | Macer: why on earth would I want to do that? :) | 18:45 |
| norayr | is it possible to get it in maemo? | 18:45 |
| Macer | Venemo: to kick start it | 18:45 |
| Venemo | Macer: also some basic drivers for the N900 are not okay yet in MeeGo | 18:45 |
| norayr | i don't use phone as phone that much so I do not know how to use it | 18:45 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Meego is not evil (currently), Harmattan is ;) | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ok, granted | 18:45 |
| Venemo | javispedro: yeah, but Harmattan is not MeeGo | 18:46 |
| Macer | Venemo: lol. yeah. the hw is always a problem | 18:46 |
| Macer | same for mer | 18:46 |
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| Macer | nokia are hw nazis | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry for this lack of precision | 18:46 |
| Venemo | Macer: I believe the guys will get it right sometime | 18:46 |
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| Venemo | Macer: there's been lots of work on it. compare the current status with two months ago | 18:46 |
| fcrochik | GeneralAntilles1: ping | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but thing is that we can replace nolo with uboot | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: as long as uboot will be capable of setting up everything | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we actually can? that'd be SO NICE | 18:47 |
| * javispedro doesn't think it's that simple | 18:47 | |
| GAN900 | fcrochik, yeeessss? | 18:48 |
| norayr | short search in google did not bring any results | 18:48 |
| Macer | doubt before the n900 is obsolete | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | No NOLO, No securtity framework conquering my hardware | 18:48 |
| fcrochik | GAN900: it seems that we are going to be on the same plane going to meego... | 18:48 |
| norayr | it is very obvious, but I don't know how to use phone as a phone, so I have no idea where are sms messages inbox | 18:48 |
| norayr | in maemo | 18:48 |
| lcuk | fcrochik, #meego for meego chatter | 18:48 |
| lcuk | :P | 18:48 |
| Venemo | Macer: anyway, MeeGo is coming along nicely, but its current state is pathetic | 18:49 |
| fcrochik | lcuk: sorry.... but I can't get over with maemo :) | 18:49 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, not one person will force you to install anything on your machine. | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | fcrochik, sure | 18:49 |
| pupnik_ | the evil will come pre-installed? :) | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sure about that? How am I supposed to install any app pkg to my PR1.2 then? | 18:50 |
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| fcrochik | GAN900: have you planned how you are getting to the hotel? | 18:50 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I said, force | 18:50 |
| lcuk | its all choice | 18:50 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: don't worry, if a PR update comes with DRM forced I will start mirroring -devel myself =) | 18:50 |
| lcuk | if theres nice candy and you want some | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, nobody can force me to breathe the smog | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: i know how to replace nolo | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: and it's very simple | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: deal | 18:51 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: "replacing" might be, getting it to work... | 18:51 |
| * lcuk still runs windows XP on my desktop | 18:51 | |
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| * MohammadAG gets out a knife and stabs HAM | 18:51 | |
| jacekowski | well uboot is doing lot of this stuff anyways | 18:51 |
| Venemo | anyway, what would you guys gain by replacing nolo? | 18:51 |
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| javispedro | jacekowski: but not all of it, I guess. | 18:51 |
| jacekowski | Venemo: rule the world | 18:51 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, a more open device | 18:51 |
| Venemo | oh... :) | 18:51 |
| Venemo | okay | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | that's still closed | 18:52 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, I asked in part about this - the install an extra package which does all this does seem the easest? | 18:52 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: so what's up with HAM? or it is still the usual? | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, SSU issues, you know about them :) | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, we already install 2 packages for the SSU to work, and it doesn't, HAM ignores my packages | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: seems you have to start mirroring *before* they mess up the official repo just another time | 18:53 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: and that's why i'm waiting for ali1234 to ask some questions about what exactly is supported | 18:53 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: as i'm not familiar with uboot at all and he done most of work already | 18:53 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: so the usual | 18:53 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: why don't you do it like the guy who did the Diablo community SSU did? | 18:54 |
| X-Fade | ok, about time to board. See you all in Dublin :) | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 18:54 |
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| X-Fade | Well, some of you :) | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | on a non related note, thunderbird is awesome | 18:54 |
| javispedro | bon voyage X-Fade | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | heh, safe trip X-Fade | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, I did, it's not working | 18:55 |
| norayr | hey, ppl | 18:55 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, eek | 18:55 |
| crashanddie_ | Is he nuts? No, he's insane. | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-November/027884.html Venemo | 18:55 |
| norayr | it's really not hard, anybody who use maemo as a phone know where is it, it's so obvious: where are sms inbox? | 18:55 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: ouch | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | Menu -> Conversations | 18:55 |
| crashanddie_ | norayr, conversations | 18:56 |
| norayr | for unknown numbers, not address book contacts | 18:56 |
| norayr | Thaaanks | 18:56 |
| Venemo | norayr: go to the application menu, then launch the Conversations app | 18:56 |
| norayr | thanks :) | 18:56 |
| norayr | found it | 18:56 |
| norayr | :) | 18:56 |
| Venemo | norayr: all of your SMS and IM conversations will be there | 18:56 |
| norayr | i didn't use maemo as phone | 18:56 |
| Venemo | norayr: no problem | 18:56 |
| norayr | thanks | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | s/will/should :P | 18:56 |
| Venemo | norayr: you're welcome | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | norayr: took me some days as well until I finally run nto it | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | thunderbird's downloading 2747/2746 | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | I thought only windows failed there? :) | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | :) | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Consider if a new message arrives when downloading. | 18:58 |
| norayr | DocScrutinizer: :) | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no messages arrived :) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a related note: stopwatch app offers seconds selection list 0..58 :-P | 18:58 |
| Venemo | lol | 18:58 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | lol, it just did | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | (an email) | 18:59 |
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| Venemo | hehe | 18:59 |
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| pupnik_ | stopwatch, the new 'hello world' | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep :-D | 19:01 |
| Venemo | pupnik_: no, the new hello world is making a blog engine | 19:02 |
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| Venemo | see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/471940/why-does-every-man-and-his-dog-want-to-code-a-blogging-engine | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | 'hello worl' in this case | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm so happy I got no dog :-P | 19:03 |
| Venemo | lol :D | 19:04 |
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| javispedro | lol is true. | 19:07 |
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| javispedro | I've also made a blogging engine... | 19:07 |
| javispedro | time ago. | 19:08 |
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| * mgedmin is tempted to write one | 19:08 | |
| lcuk | Venemo, it used to be that kids would write a media player as their hello world. | 19:08 |
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| Venemo | lcuk :) | 19:08 |
| javispedro | lcuk: on VB, definitely (mci ;) ) | 19:08 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: (I at least did it) | 19:09 |
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| alterego | I thought the new Hello, World was Kon' nichi wah | 19:09 |
| javispedro | waaaaaaaah! | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG | swype is kinda awesome | 19:11 |
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| MohammadAG | you need some time to get used to it, but after that it's very quick to use | 19:12 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: on the N900? | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | nah | 19:21 |
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| MohammadAG | N8 | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (mediaplayer) now I got it where maemo mediaplayer comes from :-P | 19:22 |
| alterego | Right, got loads to do, see you all later folks. | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | cya alterego | 19:23 |
| * MohammadAG sets ban on alterego*!*@* | 19:23 | |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: you have an N8? | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG | it's not exactly mine, but yes, it's in the house :P | 19:24 |
| alterego | Something is very broken .. | 19:24 |
| alterego | But I can't fix it now :( | 19:25 |
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| Venemo | alterego: what is broken? | 19:25 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: is it any good? | 19:25 |
| pupnik_ | is qt mobile as bloated as kde used to feel on slower PCs? | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, yeah, it's way better than symbian^1 | 19:26 |
| pupnik_ | like, ridiculous delays when clicking on things... | 19:26 |
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| Venemo | pupnik_: not really | 19:26 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: compared to Maemo 5? | 19:27 |
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| alterego | Not as good as m5 | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | the UI is smoother, a lot smoother | 19:27 |
| alterego | imo, | 19:27 |
| pupnik_ | Venemo: if it were my choice, i'd reserve a budget for a 'lag hit squad' | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | the functionality otoh... | 19:27 |
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| pupnik_ | and espectially as things run down to crunch time, they'd have some limited override ability to blast through cruft and deliver a speedy UX | 19:28 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: otoh=? | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | ~wtf otoh | 19:28 |
| infobot | OTOH: on the other hand | 19:28 |
| MohammadAG | ~botsmack | 19:28 |
| infobot | OWW! | 19:28 |
| MaikB | sbrsh again: I solved the mounting issues by moving /opt/scratchbox to /scratchbox. Now another problem appears: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > sbrsh /home/maik/dev/gtk_helloworld-1 | 19:28 |
| MaikB | sbrsh server: Can't open a pseudo-tty (No such file or directory) | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: and lag bounties. | 19:28 |
| MaikB | meh | 19:28 |
| MaikB | anybody seen this before? | 19:28 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: reduce time of X by Y, get Z | 19:29 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG: so you thing that N8's UI is better than M5, but functionality is worse? | 19:29 |
| pupnik_ | neat | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | MaikB, does the file exist? | 19:29 |
| MaikB | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > ls /home/maik/dev/gtk_helloworld-1 | 19:29 |
| MaikB | /home/maik/dev/gtk_helloworld-1 | 19:29 |
| MaikB | yes | 19:29 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, it's smoother than the iPhone | 19:29 |
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| MohammadAG | I still like M5's UI more, but it's laggy | 19:29 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, still not in extras-devel :| | 19:29 |
| MaikB | MohammadAG, btw: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > sbrsh ls | 19:29 |
| MaikB | sbrsh server: Can't open a pseudo-tty (No such file or directory) | 19:29 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: mhm | 19:30 |
| MaikB | something odd is going on | 19:30 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, poke X-Fade, or fire an RPG that delivers a message to his plane then goes back to earth | 19:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol good point, he is on a plane ;) | 19:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | X-Fade: on a plane still? ;) hehe | 19:30 |
| alterego | Okay, really going now :P | 19:31 |
| alterego | Ciao :D | 19:31 |
| Venemo | bye alterego | 19:31 |
| * MohammadAG sets another ban on alterego*!*@* | 19:31 | |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, someones app 'shoplist' is already published, and was pushed through over an hour after ours, meh | 19:31 |
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| * Noobmonk3y goes on the warpath | 19:32 | |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, send a message on the mailing lists :) | 19:32 |
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| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: what are you talking about? | 19:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh, will go get pissed instead | 19:32 |
| * MohammadAG takes away Noobmonk3y's bacon | 19:32 | |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: Just waiting for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/maecount/0.5.0/ to get into extras devel | 19:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG you evil evil man | 19:32 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, there are laws against that. | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, sue me, muhahaha | 19:33 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: maecount? a new app of yours? :) | 19:33 |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: loooooooong story!!! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65522 | 19:33 |
| * lcuk tells Susan over MohammadAG | 19:33 | |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: thank you | 19:33 |
| * MohammadAG burns bacon then sends a live video to Noobmonk3y and lcuk | 19:33 | |
| Noobmonk3y | can't beleive the cheek tbh | 19:33 |
| Venemo | lol MohammadAG | 19:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, burning bacon is fine ;) | 19:34 |
| lcuk | burning bacon just acts as a signal | 19:34 |
| * MohammadAG tortures Noobmonk3y by feeding the bacon to his cat | 19:34 | |
| * lcuk puts the cat in the smokehouse for a week | 19:34 | |
| pupnik_ | one could make a pork-chop case for the n900 - out of meat | 19:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, harsh! my cat died 6 years ago! | 19:34 |
| lcuk | and then proceeds to eat that instead | 19:34 |
| pupnik_ | mmm smoked cat | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, his = mine | 19:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 19:35 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: what would this app do? | 19:35 |
| * MohammadAG gives Noobmonk3y his cat | 19:35 | |
| Noobmonk3y | counts! | 19:35 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, is your app 64bit compliant? | 19:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: it counts 4 counters, that can reset at different points :P | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's Y2K complaint | 19:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: no | 19:35 |
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| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: ie, knitting patterns | 19:35 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, what happens if I want to count over 4294967295 ? | 19:36 |
| lcuk | ie a BIG sweater. | 19:36 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: limited to 999 on each atm | 19:36 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: mhm. | 19:36 |
| Noobmonk3y | you wouldnt luck, the pattern wouldnt need that mean, as it is repetetive | 19:36 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: will try it next time I knit | 19:36 |
| Noobmonk3y | unless you are covering the moon maybe | 19:36 |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: never knitted in my life, which is why i cant test it | 19:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | but took 1 hour to make lol | 19:37 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: :) | 19:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | and then 3 days to finally get Mo to package it lol | 19:37 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: I did knitting when I was a kid... it was a creative thing to do | 19:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk: as you are clever, fancy making a tool that walks users through packaging? ;) | 19:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: Now there is the internet and porn, no more knitting :P | 19:37 |
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| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: lol | 19:38 |
| Noobmonk3y | ;) | 19:38 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, packging is cross platform problem , discussions and stuff are already ongoing about just how to make qt handle it properly | 19:38 |
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| MohammadAG | use the same packaging system, easy | 19:38 |
| Noobmonk3y | i hear the new qt creator may have something to helop | 19:38 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: at the first time, it took me 3 days and 10 failed attempts to get to extras-devel | 19:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | even a sensible html guide would help :P | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG | unfortunately, meego isn't helping there | 19:39 |
| lcuk | yip | 19:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | or a linux backend website to walk people through? | 19:39 |
| * Noobmonk3y hugs khertan_ and py2deb etc, was alot easier in python ;) | 19:39 | |
| Noobmonk3y | just thinking with a webkit (website etc) - go through each file, then ask for specifics, put them in folders, and end up with 3 files? | 19:39 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, deb rpm sis installshield wise pdw msi mac* .tar.gz ....... | 19:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: sounds doable though? | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, http://maemo.org/packages/view/maecount/ | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, thanks for listing them :P | 19:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: ? | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | you forgot ipk | 19:40 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, deb rpm sis installshield wise pdw msi mac* .tar.gz ipk ....... | 19:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | ipk? | 19:40 |
| lcuk | but you get the idea | 19:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh | 19:40 |
| MohammadAG | iPhone PacKage I think | 19:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | thats what the palm games use | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | and iPhones | 19:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | iwhats? | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | that sounds wrong | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG | like iT... k, nevermind | 19:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 19:42 |
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| MaikB | odd, I started sbrshd from an terminal at the device and it works now | 19:43 |
| MaikB | this is, the error message doesn't appear | 19:43 |
| MaikB | howeve, the gtk app won't start | 19:43 |
| MaikB | meh | 19:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | definitley something up with devel today though | 19:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | really shouldnt take 2+ hours | 19:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | X-Fade: can you remotely give extras-devel/packager a kick up the ass from 30,000 feet? ;) | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, it's in devel | 19:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | cant see it on my device :| | 19:45 |
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| Noobmonk3y | can anyone see maecount in extras devel? (Education) | 19:46 |
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| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0LGW8urTOs&feature=player_embedded | 19:59 |
| MaikB | r | 19:59 |
| MaikB | evidently my new user account isn't allowed to start X apps | 19:59 |
| jacekowski | it is | 20:00 |
| jacekowski | just not allowed to connect to X server | 20:00 |
| jacekowski | xserver by default accepts only connections from user that started it | 20:00 |
| MaikB | the X server is started by `user' rather than root? | 20:01 |
| MaikB | wow | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 20:01 |
| iDont | Noobmonk3y: # apt-get install maecount --dry-run does find the package after apt-get update (extras-devel enabled) | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Most of the user-interface is run as user | 20:02 |
| MaikB | hm, I added another users because I couldn't get my scratchbox home folder to mount properly | 20:02 |
| MaikB | but the root of the problem was something different | 20:02 |
| MaikB | maybe I'll give sbrsh -r 29999,29999,user another shot | 20:03 |
| MaikB | cancel the maybe | 20:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | Err - I'm talking about the actual device | 20:04 |
| iDont | Noobmonk3y: and it shows up in HAM (Educational), as expected :) | 20:04 |
| MaikB | SpeedEvil: I do as well | 20:04 |
| MaikB | sbrsh is supposed to run binaries on the actual device | 20:04 |
| * Noobmonk3y goes hunting | 20:08 | |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks iDont | 20:08 |
| iDont | np | 20:09 |
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| pyther | Hello | 20:09 |
| pyther | can I set a password for my local user? | 20:09 |
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| Noobmonk3y | meh | 20:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | i still can't see it | 20:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | wtf is up with my device (and yes, checked it is enabled!) | 20:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | pyther: yes | 20:10 |
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| jacekowski | is it? | 20:10 |
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| pyther | how can I regenerate the sudo file? | 20:13 |
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| Noobmonk3y | disabled, re-enabled extras-devel, meh still not there? | 20:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | is there a way to reset the catalogues? | 20:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | on the device i mean | 20:19 |
| pupnik_ | the ubiquitous Dneary weighs-in http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/11/the-meego-progress-report-a-or-d/ | 20:20 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ok tis not just me | 20:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | kathy can't refresh the catalogues either | 20:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmm | 20:27 |
| iDont | Noobmonk3y: apt-get update is working fine here | 20:28 |
| iDont | strange | 20:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | trying again! | 20:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | nope didnt work | 20:30 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh meh meh | 20:30 |
| MaikB | For the sake of debugging I try to start conboy rather than an app compiled on my desktop. As expected. `sbrsh conboy' does nothing, since it will start the process as something different than the user `user' | 20:31 |
| MaikB | but: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > sbrsh -r 29999,29999,user conboy | 20:31 |
| MaikB | Starting conboy, Version 0.6.7.0 | 20:31 |
| MaikB | HILDON INIT | 20:31 |
| MaikB | and nothing happen on the device | 20:31 |
| MaikB | meh | 20:31 |
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| MaikB | no xhost on the n900 | 20:37 |
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| pyther | is there a picture viewer that can simply load pictures from a directory? | 20:38 |
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| crashanddie_ | going home for the weekend. Later all | 20:40 |
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| iDont | pyther: I use geeqie for this, it compiles nicely without any dependencies in Scratchbox/is available in Easy Debian. | 20:43 |
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| pyther | iDont: thanks, looks like it might work | 20:44 |
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| iDont | pyther: you can configure the layout of the app under edit -> preferences -> configure this window. The default configuration isn't veru usefull for small screens ;) | 20:46 |
| iDont | *very useful | 20:47 |
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| pyther | gah I can't remember the password to my virtualbox debian install | 20:49 |
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| sivang | javispedro: hey | 20:59 |
| sivang | javispedro: there? | 20:59 |
| javispedro | sivang: yep | 20:59 |
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| sivang | javispedro: great, I tried to answer you on the ML and CC'd you as well re: windowActivateEvent | 21:00 |
| sivang | javispedro: now, in you email, you told me about nokia keeping closed dead simple stuff | 21:00 |
| sivang | javispedro: is there a specific example we can provide at the talk? (I'm preparing slides) | 21:00 |
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| sivang | javispedro: also if you can find the link to last nights hectice IRC chat with Dawn that would be great :) | 21:01 |
| sivang | javispedro: sorry for bugging, though | 21:01 |
| sivang | javispedro: I'm doing this and preparing for travel at the same time :p | 21:01 |
| sivang | last minute packing, etc | 21:01 |
| sivang | :) | 21:01 |
| javispedro | sivang: you mean http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-11-11.log.html#t2010-11-11T19:22:35 ? | 21:02 |
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| sivang | javispedro: great, so you refer me to the issue that is in public accaptance testing and is till a private bug :) | 21:06 |
| sivang | javispedro: is that it? this is fine, just making sure | 21:06 |
| javispedro | sivang: uh? | 21:07 |
| * javispedro doesn't understand, my brain is somewhere else atm | 21:07 | |
| sivang | javispedro: so in your email, yousaid that dead simple stuff that are obvious to bne open should be open, did you have a specific example? | 21:08 |
| javispedro | a | 21:08 |
| sivang | javispedro: this is a very god point, I am trying to find a specific exmaple | 21:09 |
| sivang | and even good point | 21:09 |
| javispedro | well, I'm personally thinking of all the user applications :) | 21:09 |
| javispedro | or bme | 21:09 |
| sivang | javispedro: like the address book? | 21:09 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer^^ | 21:09 |
| javispedro | sivang: yep, for example | 21:09 |
| sivang | javispedro: okay, thanks this is much more clear now | 21:10 |
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| sivang | javispedro: modest is not fos or is it? | 21:10 |
| javispedro | or the specifications of what xprot does, or ... | 21:10 |
| sivang | javispedro: I mean, the Maemo one | 21:10 |
| javispedro | sivang: modest is oss | 21:11 |
| sivang | okay | 21:11 |
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| sivang | wich was the app mohammedag wanted to add turning support and couldn't due to it being closed? | 21:11 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG^^ | 21:11 |
| sivang | javispedro: what's xport? (X protocl?) | 21:12 |
| javispedro | sivang: no, xprot. a filter that "protects speakers" implemented as a closed pulseaudio plugin | 21:12 |
| MaikB | [sbrsh] Did anybody here successfully run a graphical application on a N900 via sbrsh?? | 21:12 |
| javispedro | http://cool900.blogspot.com/2009/11/closed-source-components-in-maemo-5.html | 21:12 |
| RST38h | javispedro, Mohammad,moo | 21:12 |
| bibounefr | hello I am French, I have a big problem with the kernel 45, can not reflash. can you help me? | 21:13 |
| javispedro | sivang: you might also want to ping Stskeeps, he knows better than me the entire list of closed stuff, and also what he need to pull for Meego | 21:13 |
| bibounefr | with version 45. nothing does not flash. | 21:13 |
| bibounefr | after having run the flasher,, plug the N900 while holding the u key on, the phone shows the nokia logo with the usb on the top right, but this one direct to reboot the little penguin ... | 21:13 |
| bibounefr | I do not know what to do, I do not know either if my battery is charging (no orange LED on or on a wall or on USB) | 21:13 |
| bibounefr | thank you for your help | 21:13 |
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| javispedro | hello RST38h | 21:14 |
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| jacekowski | MaikB: which way are you going | 21:17 |
| bibounefr | person did the same problem? | 21:17 |
| jacekowski | MaikB: app running on n900 connecting to display on PC | 21:17 |
| jacekowski | MaikB: or what | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: anything particular to highlight me? | 21:18 |
| jacekowski | MaikB: and are you exporting DISPLAY variable | 21:18 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: because I remember you once talking about how simple the n900-bme must be and ranted about reasoning not to publish it. is that true? | 21:18 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: I try to start an app inside scratchbox and want it to run on the device | 21:19 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: sbrsh -r 29999,29999,user run-standalone.sh conboy DISPLAY=192.168.0.102:0 | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: mostly | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I said crappy and full of cruft - I guess. No 'simple' | 21:19 |
| sivang | i see | 21:20 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: I decided to use conboy to test if I can get any X-app running | 21:20 |
| jacekowski | MaikB: wrong | 21:20 |
| MaikB | ok | 21:20 |
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| jacekowski | try hmm | 21:21 |
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| jacekowski | sbrsh -r 29999,29999,user run-standalone.sh bash -c "DISPLAY=192.168.0.102:0 conboy" | 21:22 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, you not coming to the conference? | 21:22 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: same result | 21:22 |
| bibounefr | please ? | 21:23 |
| jacekowski | what do you get as error | 21:23 |
| MaikB | the debug log of sbrshd says: return code 1 | 21:24 |
| MaikB | empty stdout | 21:24 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: thats the output inside scratchbox: http://pastebin.com/ZyvWVBGb | 21:25 |
| pupnik_ | 20,000 goblins | 21:25 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: the ~/.sbrsh http://pastebin.com/4qLMq7N4 | 21:25 |
| jacekowski | ah | 21:26 |
| jacekowski | stupid me | 21:26 |
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| jacekowski | sbrsh -r 29999,29999,user run-standalone.sh bash -c "DISPLAY=:0 conboy" | 21:26 |
| johnsq | Hi | 21:26 |
| chrissbx | DocScrutinizer: you pinged me 4h ago? "chrissbx: o/ AYE" | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry ETAB | 21:27 |
| chrissbx | aha. np | 21:27 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: I'm getting more output: http://pastebin.com/tn09Wnsr | 21:27 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: but I have an simple gtk around | 21:28 |
| MaikB | I gonna test it now | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | MaikB: anything on screen? | 21:28 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: no | 21:28 |
| jacekowski | on a phone | 21:28 |
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| MaikB | jacekowski: the simple gtk app runs | 21:29 |
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| MaikB | jacekowski: thx a ton | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | i rule | 21:29 |
| MaikB | the dbus error is another issue | 21:29 |
| MaikB | you do | 21:29 |
| MaikB | XD | 21:29 |
| MaikB | jacekowski: I guess the dbus error is related to the sandboxing that sbrsh does by default | 21:32 |
| MaikB | but I'm happy for now | 21:32 |
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| MaikB | sbrsh sh -c "DISPLAY=:0 /home/maik/dev/gtk_helloworld-1" | 21:35 |
| MaikB | works as well | 21:35 |
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| MaikB | using DISPLAY=:0 and wrapping the whole command with sh -c does the trick | 21:36 |
| MaikB | I made a note | 21:36 |
| MaikB | :] | 21:36 |
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| bibounefr | panic kernel please ? | 21:47 |
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| BCMM | a friend said she saw a Tux and scrolling text (sounded like a typical Linux framebuffer bootup) on her n900. why would that have happened? | 21:59 |
| BCMM | (it then played the Hands video and started normally) | 22:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | uBoot | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or power/moh kernel, both titan and MohammadAG like to enable fb (and make the device go thru 5 reboots every now and then :-P) | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually early pre-alpha hostmode kernels had fb boot console | 22:03 |
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| sivang | javispedro: could you think a problem in open sourcing the application manager? | 22:05 |
| sivang | javispedro: or why one would not want to do so? | 22:06 |
| javispedro | it is open | 22:06 |
| javispedro | :P | 22:07 |
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| trumee | is there any app in repo which lets youtube search based on date? | 22:07 |
| javispedro | afaik... | 22:07 |
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| trumee | I want to watch few episodes of Merlin, but Mediabox search comes out with a random mix. | 22:08 |
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| trumee | Why doesnt PageUp in xtem give the command history? | 22:11 |
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| * Aranel_ looking for someone kind enough to give me his /usr/lib/librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 | 22:23 | |
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| Dassu | Isn't there any sftp client for n900 with a gui? | 22:26 |
| Dassu | This is really hard to google because of the noise caused my sftp->n900 threads | 22:26 |
| Dassu | s/my/by | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I hate the framebugger, it caused me lots of problems | 22:27 |
| sivang | javispedro: you mean h-a-m is open? | 22:27 |
| sivang | javispedro: oh :o | 22:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trumee: maybe shell's keymapping isn't correct for history on page-up? | 22:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after all that's not an xterm feature | 22:30 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: i do have the correct .inputrc but it is not being read by bash | 22:31 |
| javispedro | sivang: yes | 22:31 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: my .inputrc has "\e[5~":history-search-backward | 22:32 |
| trumee | and "\e[6~":history-search-forward | 22:32 |
| lcuk | trumee, it normally does, but frustratingly, it doesnt save to disk if oyu close with the [X] | 22:33 |
| * MohammadAG wants gnome-terminal | 22:33 | |
| MohammadAG | at least I can paste with kb shortcuts | 22:33 |
| trumee | lcuk:i think "trap exit SIGHUP" might be required in .profile to fix that | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Mohammad:the toolbar in maemo xterm can be customized just not easily | 22:34 |
| trumee | But no Page Up/Down doesnt give any command history at all in a terminal | 22:34 |
| sivang | javispedro: k, but addrssbook is a very good example | 22:34 |
| sivang | is Buteo open source? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: So, you can improve things, a little bit | 22:34 |
| lcuk | trumee, its not an issue normally, the commands I use most are stored because I remembered to ctrl D and ctrl D my way out | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: are you sure .inputrc doesn't need explicit 'soucing' or whatever, in one of the other standard .profile files? | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, gconf, I know | 22:34 |
| RST38h | yep | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | I just want kb shortcuts :| | 22:35 |
| javispedro | sivang: Buteo? | 22:35 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: hmm. wasnt aware that .inputrc needs to be sourced in .prfile | 22:35 |
| sivang | javispedro: syncml framework in meego | 22:35 |
| sivang | javispedro: seem sos | 22:36 |
| sivang | *so | 22:36 |
| javispedro | sivang: oh, no idea, never used it... | 22:36 |
| * sivang curses latency | 22:36 | |
| javispedro | sivang: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ | 22:36 |
| trumee | Interesting thing is there exists a /etc/inputrc as well | 22:36 |
| sivang | javispedro: wow | 22:38 |
| sivang | javispedro: rad | 22:38 |
| sivang | :) | 22:38 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, ~openness :) | 22:38 |
| sivang | HEH | 22:39 |
| sivang | err | 22:39 |
| sivang | hehe | 22:39 |
| javispedro | ~tell javispedro about openness | 22:39 |
| sivang | sorry for caps | 22:39 |
| javispedro | ah, interesting. | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | never seen that (~tell) | 22:39 |
| sivang | at east I think backup framework is going to be open in meego if not alrady is | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | ~tell MohammadAG about life | 22:39 |
| sivang | err, backup framework! the app nees to be popen | 22:39 |
| sivang | open | 22:39 |
| javispedro | sivang: yes, it's improved :) | 22:39 |
| sivang | popen is something else | 22:40 |
| sivang | javispedro: is the backup program opene? | 22:40 |
| sivang | noot "the framework" | 22:40 |
| javispedro | on Maemo, nope. on Meego, I think there's no app for now =) | 22:40 |
| javispedro | but the general openess is improving with Meego. | 22:40 |
| javispedro | the list of closed packages on the n900 image is basically: bme, 3d drivers, and some pulseaudio plugins. | 22:41 |
| javispedro | *meego n900 image | 22:41 |
| sivang | yes | 22:41 |
| sivang | also hildon-desktop | 22:41 |
| sivang | right? | 22:41 |
| javispedro | h-d is open :) | 22:41 |
| sivang | ah, cool | 22:41 |
| sivang | appeared not so in 1.1. | 22:41 |
| javispedro | uh? | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | hd has always been open | 22:41 |
| RST38h | Meego has no hildon-desktop,no? | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, ha, it has no gtk to work on | 22:42 |
| javispedro | seems that some parts of h-d were closed O.o | 22:42 |
| javispedro | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/Desktop%20framework/hildon-desktop/L7.html | 22:42 |
| lcuk | no required parts of HD were closed | 22:42 |
| javispedro | s/were/are | 22:42 |
| jarkkom | most of that closed source stuff is pretty common sense, like 3rd party hardware interface or exchange sync etc, but why "Applications/browser-ui" ? | 22:42 |
| lcuk | afaik thats the additional settings/config things | 22:42 |
| javispedro | jarkkom: that's the point, there are some small things that make no sense to keep closed | 22:43 |
| * RST38h is also not sure why the skin-deep browser-ui is closed | 22:43 | |
| lcuk | HD is certainly buildable and usable on other things | 22:43 |
| * MohammadAG had it on his laptop | 22:43 | |
| jarkkom | javispedro, though I suspect it might've been outsourced development that Nokia doesn't actually own fully | 22:43 |
| javispedro | sivang: jarkkom: add in the file manager, which is basically a shim wrapper to the libhildonfm API (foss), and even then it's closed. | 22:43 |
| jarkkom | it has happened before | 22:43 |
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| RST38h | javis: ah, screwthe file manager | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell MohammadAG about query | 22:44 |
| RST38h | javis: but I sorely miss browser-ui sources | 22:44 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, right, you're here :) | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | how do I compile xchat? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | I keep getting errors | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: the usual | 22:44 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: make | 22:44 |
| RST38h | what errors? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, libtool | 22:45 |
| RST38h | mhm? | 22:45 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, are you building for meego? | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | nope, I'm trying to fix the damn icon | 22:45 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: source /home/user/.inputrc returns "-sh: /home/user/.inputrc: line 3: \e[5~:history-search-backward: not found" | 22:45 |
| RST38h | ah that one | 22:45 |
| lcuk | then your SB sounds borkened? | 22:45 |
| RST38h | I spent hours trying to fix it | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | make[5]: Entering directory `/home/mohammad/xchat/xchat-2.8.6/src/common/dbus' | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | /bin/sh ../../../libtool --mode=execute /usr/bin/glib-genmarshal --header --body marshallers.list > marshallers.h | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | ../../../libtool: ../../../libtool: No such file or directory | 22:46 |
| RST38h | nice | 22:46 |
| sivang | javispedro: thanks, that's the best case study I've been looking to | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, can't be, tried 4 different installs | 22:46 |
| sivang | javispedro: you need to get credits | 22:46 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: sb2 -eR apt-get install libtool | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: mhm | 22:46 |
| javispedro | sivang: naa :) | 22:46 |
| sivang | and the rest here, I have to include something | 22:46 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, but it builds in the autobuilder and on RST38h's system ? | 22:46 |
| javispedro | sivang: hope you find more feedback elsewhere too :) | 22:46 |
| RST38h | I think he just need toinstall damn libtool | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | libtool is already the newest version. RST38h | 22:46 |
| lcuk | ahhh RST38h you use sb2? | 22:46 |
| RST38h | lcuk: yes | 22:46 |
| sivang | javispedro: same, kindof disappointed of the lack of interest of the ml thread, but it truely shows the current states of affairs | 22:47 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I can reboot to Linux and verify, if you wish. It will take 5 minutes, ok? | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | sure :) | 22:48 |
| lcuk | sivang, which study, where is link to the ML thing | 22:48 |
| lcuk | I unsubscribed from a load of lists recently | 22:48 |
| Firzen|2 | hi I am newbie to Maemo and I have a problem with installation of Maemo SDK | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm using dpkg-buildpackage, so build deps should be installed | 22:48 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, dpkg-buildpackage does not automagically install the deps? | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't, but it never continues without them | 22:49 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | I think I know | 22:49 |
| RST38h | Ok, I am in Linux | 22:50 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, I think libtool's path is wrong | 22:50 |
| MohammadAG | it's looking for it in /home | 22:50 |
| RST38h | hmm | 22:50 |
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| laasonen | How can I disable updation of specific package in maemo? | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm using dpkg-buildpackage, so build deps should be installed | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | <lcu | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | err | 22:52 |
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| Firzen|2 | please I see that mostly of you installed Maemo SDK successfully... I only want to get working tools, without them I cant't write anything for Maemo :-/ | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG | we can't help if we don't know your problem :) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, "apt-get build-dep xchat_or_whateveritis" is the way to install them if you got source from the repo (usually simplest method) | 22:54 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, yep, I know about that, I have all deps | 22:54 |
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| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: ok I know :-) I've downloaded virtual image from here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/PC/vpc-sdk/ | 22:55 |
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| sivang | lcuk: a filemanager being closed even though it is using libhildinfm, which is open | 22:55 |
| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: and a followed simple installation steps in "Installation" folder link | 22:56 |
| sivang | lcuk: my email to the mls about trying ot mak a differnece, only attila , javispedroresponded on the mls, you actually helped through IRC | 22:56 |
| * sivang goes for a break | 22:56 | |
| RST38h | Mohammad: resolved it? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | sivang, how many layers of abstraction are required before an open source app can have closed source ui capped ontop in yourbook? | 22:56 |
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| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: but at step 4: Installation of Nokia binaries it writes this error: | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, nope | 22:57 |
| RST38h | ok, I am just refreshing some missing packages at the moment, wait | 22:57 |
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| sivang | lcuk: EPARSE | 22:57 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 22:57 |
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| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: sb-conf: No such target: FREMANTLE_ARMEL, sbrsh-conf: No current target, Something is wrong with Scratchbox, exiting. | 22:58 |
| sivang | lcuk: I'm tired, and no native speaker :) | 22:58 |
| trumee | ah, it is fixed now. Turned out bash-setup did not change by shell to /bin/bash. Instead it was still /bin/sh. Once i switch on /bin/bash, .inputrc is being read | 22:58 |
| Firzen|2 | and I haven't found any solution of this problem.. :-/ | 22:58 |
| sivang | lcuk: plesae excuse , but if you elaborate I will read the backlog, have to do a brak | 22:58 |
| lcuk | sivang, well, the linux kernel is open source, but obviously a great many closed source apps exist on top. how many layers do you think are needed between the open engine and the closed ui? | 22:58 |
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| trumee | Robot101: Regarding open-sourcing vox-mobile, they plan to do that in the future. The dev from Vox wrote this to me in email "Oh, re: the open sourcing, yeah I imagine that is something we will be doing at some point in the not-too-distant future." | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, fixed it | 22:59 |
| valdyn | lcuk: your question makes no sense with "open source" | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, added this line to debian/rules, but I can't see why it's needed | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | # Build the main XChat package | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | ln -s `which libtool` ./libtool | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | it should just find the libtool from $PATH | 23:00 |
| valdyn | lcuk: as "open source" does not specify the actual license | 23:00 |
| Robot101 | trumee: it's not a choice - it's a derived work of telepathy-sofiasip of which I am one of the authors | 23:00 |
| valdyn | lcuk: and as you can see at mac os x there does not need to be any "layer" in between | 23:01 |
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| Robot101 | they currently have no right to distribute this code *at all* because they are not compliant with the license | 23:01 |
| sivang | lcuk: none? | 23:01 |
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| Robot101 | I'm assuming this is ignorance rather than malice, so I sent them a polite e-mail yesterday | 23:01 |
| sivang | lcuk: I have a closed binary, using an opene source api interface | 23:02 |
| sivang | lcuk: how many of those do I need? :) | 23:02 |
| Robot101 | but if they don't reply soon, they will get a less polite message from Collabora's lawyer | 23:02 |
| trumee | Robot101: Well you need to remind this to them then. But it is strange that Nokia *officially* endorses since it is on Ovi store. | 23:02 |
| Robot101 | and then if they fail to reply, probably a DMCA takedown request | 23:02 |
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| Robot101 | oh cool, we can have it removed from the Ovi store too - it infringes Nokia's rights too | 23:02 |
| Robot101 | but, really, I don't want to be an asshole - its probably just an honest mistake | 23:03 |
| sivang | lcuk: the closed source ui is linked against the open source api, that's it. if the lib is lgpl no isse? | 23:03 |
| Robot101 | so that's my initial assumption | 23:03 |
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| sivang | lcuk: am I missing something? | 23:03 |
| sivang | lcuk: the closed ui does t change anything in the lib, so no sources need to be given back | 23:03 |
| * sivang goes to take a break :) | 23:04 | |
| lcuk | no sivand that answers the ponderment doesn't it? so no issue | 23:04 |
| Robot101 | I'd far rather have the source than a lawsuit | 23:04 |
| trumee | Robot101: Nokia doesnt provide MWI support. Atleast this app does, it will be a big shame if this app gets killed. | 23:04 |
| Robot101 | trumee: I want their source so I can merge it to tp-sofiasip - then the next devices will have MWI too! | 23:04 |
| sivang | lcuk: yes, it does :) | 23:04 |
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| trumee | Robot101: ++ for that. | 23:04 |
| Robot101 | I was just like, oh thats cool, how do they do it, and I downloaded to take a look | 23:05 |
| trumee | Robot101: Hopefully it will be on its way soon as the dev said. | 23:05 |
| Robot101 | and it's our shit, and they didn't give the source, so I e-mailed | 23:05 |
| sivang | lcuk: so the conclusion here they just wanted it to be closed? that's it? :) | 23:05 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: still here? | 23:06 |
| Firzen|2 | MohammadAG: how you've installed your SDK? | 23:06 |
| lcuk | sivang, i dont know I havent read historical docs on it | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | ~maemosdk | 23:06 |
| infobot | hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 23:06 |
| sivang | lcuk: okay, nm | 23:06 |
| sivang | bbl | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Please cd to xchat root dir and type sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d -b | 23:07 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: this should build the package | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, I already pointed out the problem, I was doing that | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | but it's looking for libtool in ./ | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | not for the one in $PATH | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | ln -s `which libtool` ./libtool | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | $(MAKE) | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | fixed it ^ | 23:08 |
| RST38h | hm, weird | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG | attempt #1 to fix, failed | 23:09 |
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| jacekowski | i hate u-boot | 23:10 |
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| jacekowski | lilo ftw | 23:11 |
| * RST38h finds it funny how FreeBSD's boot manager has no name, takes just one disk block, and manages to work | 23:11 | |
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| jacekowski | lilo did that | 23:13 |
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| RST38h | not really | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | windows bootloader used to do that | 23:13 |
| RST38h | lilo never worked on any of 3 laptops I had | 23:13 |
| valdyn | jacekowski: the dos boot loader, not the windows boot loader | 23:13 |
| * Aranel_ looking for someone kind enough to give me his /usr/lib/librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 | 23:13 | |
| jacekowski | well, i'm talking old school | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | where windows was booting from dos | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | not NT stuff | 23:14 |
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| crashanddie | haha, dunno who here posted me on WWP, but nice :) | 23:16 |
| crashanddie | And as someone said, OP is a tool :D | 23:17 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: ok, it builds for me just fine | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, worms world party? | 23:18 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, built fine for me after I did that, couldn't get the icon to work (yet) | 23:18 |
| crashanddie | whyweprotest, chanology/anonymous lair | 23:18 |
| RST38h | MohamadAG: Damn GTK+ appears to have the icon stuff broken | 23:19 |
| crashanddie | mohammadag: I made a joke-threat pretending that we'd unleashed anonymous on scientology, and that nokia should fear our wrath should they disappoint any further | 23:19 |
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| crashanddie | apparently, some anonfag took me seriously :D | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, well, I got a binary that makes those messages the hildon way | 23:20 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: watching the CoD end credits scroll by | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | interested in a source, maybe you can fix something up? | 23:21 |
| crashanddie | ~seen orlok | 23:21 |
| infobot | orlok <~orlock@133.71.233.220.static.exetel.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 16m 56s ago, saying: 'all the socked anons/channers are turning up'. | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, http://pastebin.com/3xybEJpH | 23:23 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Where is it supposed to go? | 23:24 |
| crashanddie | LMAO MohammadAG | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you scare me sometimes | 23:25 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: after the end credits, there's an easter egg :D Fidel Castro, Kennedy and some idiots from the white house are together in a bunker | 23:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:25 |
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| crashanddie | suddenly, something breaks a window... ZOMBIES | 23:25 |
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| jacktheripper | newer power kernels don't work with multiboot ? | 23:25 |
| * MohammadAG doesn't get why tryearch likes zombies | 23:25 | |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, popular with gamers. | 23:26 |
| GAN900 | Because it's the only good idea they've ever had | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, I'm a gamer, I hate zombie games | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | Otherwise they're just bad at implementing Infinity Ward's ideas. | 23:27 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, Left4Dead? | 23:27 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: the last view is a complete ripoff from left4daed | 23:27 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, never played it | 23:28 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyWlUXLsho | 23:29 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, ah, well then. | 23:29 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: FYI, http://pastebin.ca/1989433 | 23:30 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, coming to the conference? | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, fixed it | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG | lol crashanddie | 23:32 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Send in a patch? =) | 23:33 |
| trumee | Robot101: well said | 23:33 |
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| trumee | Robot101: How did you get the email address? | 23:34 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: we're gold sponsors :) | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, http://i55.tinypic.com/33m1r8p.jpg :) | 23:34 |
| Robot101 | trumee: packagers@ bounced, it's from the debian package | 23:35 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, yes, but are you coming. :P | 23:35 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: yes | 23:35 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: we've got like 10 people or something | 23:35 |
| trumee | Robot101: coz, i hope somebody reads that. | 23:35 |
| GAN900 | robink, see http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=MeeGo_Conference_2010/Flight_Information ? | 23:35 |
| Robot101 | trumee: well info@ is on their webpage | 23:35 |
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| trumee | Robot101: ok cool. | 23:36 |
| Firzen|2 | anyone who knows this error?.. http://2i.cz/2i/i/4cddc17b/81174f28da74713f624d2a3e343055db/9a6da78d5e.f.png | 23:37 |
| Firzen|2 | I know what is message saying but i | 23:38 |
| Firzen|2 | *I don't know how to do it.. | 23:38 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, http://pastebin.com/ECnNR7zB :) | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | you can ignore the first hunk if it builds fine for you | 23:41 |
| Robot101 | trumee: are you in touch with them via e-mail? | 23:41 |
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| trumee | Robot101: yes, i had contact with one of the devs | 23:41 |
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| Robot101 | trumee: can you give me an address? | 23:43 |
| trumee | Robot101: Phil D'Amore <ptdamore@gmail.com> | 23:43 |
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| trumee | Robot101: He sometimes hangs out in #freeswitch as ptdamore. | 23:44 |
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| GAN900 | Watching 4-year-olds competently use Blackberries makes me feel old. | 23:52 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSFET#Modes_of_operation isn't bad either, reading it | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 23:54 |
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| piggz | is there a nice (working) facebook client available for n900? | 23:57 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: are you coming btw? | 23:59 |
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| w00t_ | if so I'll see you there (along with Rob :-)) | 23:59 |
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