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| bibounefr | hello how many volts should give the battery for the N900 to be full? | 00:08 |
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| trumee | w00t_: I know you have given up on facebrick. But do you know if its authentication mechanism is broken? | 00:10 |
| yacc | bibounefr, your LiIon charger should be able to recognize that automatically? | 00:10 |
| * ColdFyre wishes the n900 actually showed the battery level when charging | 00:10 | |
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| ColdFyre | i've never seen a nokia actually show that | 00:11 |
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| GAN900 | w00t_, yeah, you put your info on the flight page? | 00:13 |
| yacc | ColdFyre, yeah, but these other where just plain mobiles. | 00:14 |
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| yacc | ColdFyre, the N900 OTOH is such a nice toy that one is left with wishing for the more esoteric stuff. | 00:14 |
| * ColdFyre thinks nokia has a hidden agenda | 00:15 | |
| bibounefr | yacc , no it is not that, but I'm in panic boot with the kernel power 45, and I can not flash, I do not know if the battery is charging when I'm on the same wall plug or USB, no LED Orange | 00:15 |
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| yacc | E.g. a working USB host, a more complete set of wireless connections, it can do SIP, Skype, GSM/UMTS, but why is a DECT module missing, :-P | 00:16 |
| yacc | ColdFyre, or seeing the charge level while charging. | 00:17 |
| bibounefr | yacc , and like to flash it takes a full battery, mine gives v 3.5, is it enough? | 00:17 |
| yacc | ColdFyre, interestingly, the default UI of the G1 did not show that value either, but 3rd party widgets could. | 00:17 |
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| Afteris | hello! | 00:18 |
| yacc | ColdFyre, OTOH, I've been told that the G1 had no real hardware to sense the load level of the battery, so it was always a kind of semi calculated guess, ... | 00:18 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: bacon cider | 00:20 |
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| nox- | moin | 00:20 |
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| MohammadAG | yacc, request it | 00:20 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, thats quite unappealing actually | 00:20 |
| crashanddie | :( | 00:21 |
| lcuk | possibly the only thing so far with bacon that I might actuall give a miss | 00:21 |
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| bibounefr | nobody can help me? I'm secure with powerkernel 45 in boot panic and I can not flash .... | 00:22 |
| yacc | MohammadAG, from whom? Nokia is not exactly a small mom and pop shop where you can tell anything relevant to anyone relevant, ... | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | yacc, modules can be compiled easily | 00:23 |
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| yacc | I also did not understand why they had to rebase on Meego, I mean the N900 really nicely hides the thrilling Debian-ess system underneath. | 00:23 |
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| yacc | MohammadAG, which modules should I request? DECT module == hardware connection module so it can talk with standard DECT wireless landline base stations. | 00:24 |
| lcuk | yacc, for shits n giggles, rebase hildon ontop of meego ;) | 00:24 |
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| bibounefr | please ? | 00:25 |
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| MohammadAG | yacc, my bad, misunderstood you | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | i'd love hd on meego | 00:25 |
| lcuk | bibounefr, you say you cannot flash, have you tried following the flashing guide and troubleshooting and ensured you have fully charged battery and good cable and stuff | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | cause quite frankly, meego's UI sucks compared to M5 | 00:25 |
| GAN900 | MohammadAG, haven't seen Harmattan yet, though. | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | GAN900, true | 00:26 |
| MohammadAG | it looks the same, if the N9's pics aren't fake | 00:26 |
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| bibounefr | lcuk , j'ai deja flasher sans soucie dans le passé , la ma batterie donne 3,5 v avec le voltmetre , est ce suffisant ? | 00:28 |
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| bibounefr | icuk , I already flashed without care in the past, my battery provides 3.5 V with the voltmeter, is it enough? | 00:28 |
| lcuk | I think your main computer is screwed | 00:28 |
| lcuk | that didnt come out like english at all | 00:28 |
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| lcuk | bibounefr, I have never measured how charged up a battery is by voltage alone | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | but isnt the battery marked 3.7v | 00:29 |
| RST38h | that is top voltage | 00:29 |
| RST38h | real one will depend on the load and the charge | 00:29 |
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| lcuk | bibounefr, what happens when you start the flashing stage, please pastebin the console messages | 00:29 |
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| crashanddie | bibounefr: mesurer la capacite de la batterie avec un voltmetre ne te donnera que tres peu d'informations. Une batterie peut afficher 3.7V a vide, et 1V des que tu lui mets 1A en charge | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | bibounefr: cela etant dit, ce channel est principalement anglais, donc merci de garder les discussions en anglais exclusivement, merci. | 00:31 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: no, I have neglected to do so | 00:31 |
| w00t_ | trumee: it sort of is, sort of isn't, some people have always had problems | 00:31 |
| w00t_ | i have some ideas i'll play with on it if i feel like it | 00:32 |
| GAN900 | My list of think to do between now and tomorrow keeps getting longer. | 00:32 |
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| trumee | w00t_: it used to work on my device. I did a reflash and now facebook returns with an error. | 00:32 |
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| trumee | w00t_: funny thing is that it does log me in correctly into the website | 00:33 |
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| trumee | w00t_: However, the Error comment in facebook seem to suggest that facebrick is not requesting something correct, | 00:33 |
| bibounefr | icuk , I'll try to copy what I put the console when I start | 00:34 |
| trumee | w00t_: is there any config files for facebrick which i can delete and try again? | 00:34 |
| bibounefr | crashanddie , I try to speak English but not very easy for me | 00:34 |
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| trumee | w00t_: this is what facebook is returning btw, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=866196&postcount=723 | 00:35 |
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| bibounefr | icuk , Getting NOLO supplied boot parameters... | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | Die ID #45DC000400000000040385ae02005016 | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | Extra commands: | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | run sercon - Use serial port for control. | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | run usbcon - Use usbtty for contro. | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | run vgacon - use framebuffer/keyboard | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | run mmcboot - boot from sd card slot. | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | run noloboot - boot kernel loaded by nolo | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | hit any key to stop autoboot: 0 | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | No MMC card found | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | Booting Nolo supplied kernel... | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | ## booting kernel from legacy image at 80540E58... | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | image name: kernel-power | 00:52 |
| bibounefr | image type: arm linux kernel image (uncompressed) | 00:52 |
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| bibounefr | anyone can help me? | 00:55 |
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| gorioBR | what do you need ? | 00:58 |
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| bibounefr | gorioBR I'm secure with powerkernel 45 in boot panic and I can not flash .... | 00:59 |
| Afteris | battery | 00:59 |
| Afteris | howz? | 01:00 |
| bibounefr | Afteris I already flashed without care in the past, my battery provides 3.5 V with the voltmeter, is it enough? | 01:00 |
| nox- | can you boot meego from microsd? | 01:01 |
| nox- | that should at least let you charge (i hope :) | 01:01 |
| Afteris | hmm, i cant garand i think it must be 3.7 | 01:01 |
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| Afteris | if you have option try to get another battery and check if everything works | 01:02 |
| bibounefr | nox- , how to put the image on the micro sd Meego with a xp pc? | 01:03 |
| Afteris | check on forum | 01:03 |
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| nox- | some imagewriter tool? | 01:03 |
| Afteris | where is alot of information | 01:03 |
| bibounefr | Afteris , yes that is what is written above ..... | 01:03 |
| nox- | (assuming you have a flashcard reader etc) | 01:04 |
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| Afteris | bibounefr try to get battery | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | try either, whatever is eaier for you | 01:04 |
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| Afteris | shure | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-'s point is valid. Afteris is a pragmatic solution if you have a neigbour with a compatible phone holding a BL-5J battery | 01:06 |
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| bibounefr | Afteris , I looked all over after lunch on the forum did not solve my problem | 01:06 |
| GAN900 | fcrochik, ah, you're on 722, too. | 01:07 |
| Afteris | bibounefr how i understand you stuck in u-boot? | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, he's stuck on a low battery | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and a borked rootfs | 01:07 |
| Afteris | so what i sayd before | 01:08 |
| bibounefr | Docscrutinizer , no neighbor with BL-5J .... :) | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | sigh, my n810 doesn't boot :/ | 01:08 |
| Afteris | get battery or get battery charger | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so go for charging battery with meego on SD card | 01:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: mine boots every few days :-P | 01:09 |
| Afteris | bibounefr i dont now how in france but in lithuania i managet to buy battery charger for 4euro | 01:09 |
| bibounefr | Docscrutinizer , how to put the image on the micro sd Meego with a xp pc? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are instructions on meego's wiki | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I have no better pointer, sorry | 01:10 |
| * ShadowJK suddenly hears nokia "hands" sound, 30 minutes later | 01:10 | |
| bibounefr | AFteris , pressed closer to what the 40 to 60 € in France .... | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe ask in #meego-arm | 01:10 |
| ShadowJK | it booted :D | 01:10 |
| nox- | ah here's a windows tool: http://shounen.ru/soft/flashnul/ | 01:12 |
| bibounefr | Docscruntinizer on the wiki? there have the manual for putting on the sdcard Meego with a 900 in working condition, with no off N900 | 01:12 |
| nox- | (this assuming flashcard reader) | 01:12 |
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| bibounefr | I have a microSD USB reader | 01:13 |
| nox- | http://manual.aptosid.com/en/hd-ins-opts-oos-en.htm#raw-ms | 01:13 |
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| nox- | they write an iso but the meego image i hope will be the same | 01:14 |
| nox- | pls correct me if im wrong :) | 01:15 |
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| nox- | (its a hyrbid iso in case anyone is wondering...) | 01:16 |
| bibounefr | nox- , thank you, but I do not know if an iso and image are such Meego | 01:16 |
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| bibounefr | nox-; I'll try this solution .. thank you to you | 01:20 |
| fcrochik | GAN900: yes!\ | 01:20 |
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| GAN900 | fcrochik, getting in from Tampa on US 1044 at around 7 PM. | 01:22 |
| fcrochik | GAN900: I am leaving NC...will land at 7:23 | 01:22 |
| Afteris | bibounefr http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 | 01:23 |
| Afteris | haven't tested by myself | 01:23 |
| nox- | ah here are the official(?) meego instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#Installing_Rootfs_on_external_MMC_card | 01:23 |
| nox- | (and yes looks like flashnul should work as well) | 01:25 |
| GAN900 | fcrochik, guess I'll see you at the gate. I'll be the bearded guy with the Mini 9 and an N900. ;) | 01:25 |
| fcrochik | GAN900: | 01:26 |
| fcrochik | GAN900: oops...too quick... | 01:26 |
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| fcrochik | GAN900: again.... let me remove the boxing gloves first... ok done.. :) I will see you at the gate .... I probably should recognize you from the picture I saw on your profile... I will have my n900 too (not that will help)... | 01:28 |
| bibounefr | AFteris and nox- , thank you I'll try to see it ... | 01:28 |
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| GAN900 | fcrochik, sjgadsby should be there too, so, two bearded men. | 01:32 |
| fcrochik | GAN900: maybe I will not shave then :) | 01:33 |
| GAN900 | Hehe | 01:33 |
| FireFly|n900 | Hmmm | 01:33 |
| alterego | For the third year running I could not get funding to turn up :( | 01:34 |
| FireFly|n900 | Is there a way to act on the low-on-battery event? | 01:34 |
| nox- | what event is this if i may ask? :) | 01:34 |
| FireFly|n900 | Well, I'm not sure how /etc/event.d works | 01:34 |
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| FireFly|n900 | But I'd like to run a shellscript when the bat | 01:35 |
| FireFly|n900 | Oh, wait | 01:35 |
| nox- | ah no i meant where GAN900 and fcrochik are going... | 01:35 |
| FireFly|n900 | One can fetch the battery level from /sys, right? | 01:35 |
| fcrochik | nox-: meego conference | 01:36 |
| nox- | ah | 01:36 |
| FireFly|n900 | Oh | 01:37 |
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| korhojoa | meego conference? | 01:38 |
| alterego | meenotgo conference more like. | 01:38 |
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| GAN900 | alterego, didn't apply for sponsorship? | 01:42 |
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| alterego | GAN900: well, I did, but I made a mistake and for some reason didn't manage to actually submit my entry | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | alterego, also: You're not going? You son of a bitch! | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | What? | 01:43 |
| alterego | My badge and fun bag will be there, but I wont. | 01:43 |
| GAN900 | That's just lame. | 01:43 |
| alterego | :( | 01:43 |
| alterego | So much for 3rd time lucky | 01:43 |
| alterego | GAN900: I'm gutted | 01:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego: :/ | 01:48 |
| alterego | :( | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | FireFly|n900: lshal | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | or bq27200.sh | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | that doesn't do stuff on low battery though | 01:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I wonder if there is an actual script called | 01:49 |
| alterego | I've been racking my brain about how I can get the funds for the flights | 01:49 |
| FireFly|n900 | Oh, nice | 01:50 |
| alterego | I don't mind sleeping in a bus shelter for a couple of nights. | 01:50 |
| FireFly|n900 | I could poll it though | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: should be a APM and kernel and init thing iirc | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean by low battery. | 01:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Do you mean a 'device shutting off' low? | 01:50 |
| FireFly|n900 | Well, nope | 01:51 |
| FireFly|n900 | enough time so i can put the charger in | 01:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Otherwise, I'd monitor dbus, and look for what events are sent when it goes beep | 01:51 |
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| FireFly|n900 | Hmm | 01:51 |
| FireFly|n900 | Yeah, that could work | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | also I guess battery level is reported via dbus occasionally | 01:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so you could use dbus scripting daemon | 01:52 |
| FireFly|n900 | Though that'll have to wait until tomorrow | 01:54 |
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| FireFly|n900 | Time to sleep | 01:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer would feel temped to run a dbus-monitor >somelog whole day long, day by day. If that wouldn't nuke even 1TB disks after some hours (well maybe days) | 01:54 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: we're doing Nokia's work for free, so why should we pay for joining Nokia's conferences? | 01:56 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: *thumbs up* | 01:57 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: but you weren't even invited :P | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I couldn't - even if I felt like doing | 01:57 |
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| alterego | I'd just like to have met some of the people I've been talking to for the past 4-5 years | 01:59 |
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| alterego | Who remembers that Nokia promo thing where they got loaner guys to make small vids? | 02:00 |
| alterego | MyMo or something. | 02:00 |
| alterego | Of the tail of last years Maemo conference? | 02:01 |
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| sandstorm|mobile | . | 02:04 |
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| jacktheripper | does anyone know how to boot the power kernel with multiboot ? | 02:08 |
| jacktheripper | I tried doing the same stuff I did for NITDroid, it just can't find the file and panics | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | dbus isn't _that_ spammy | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | (1t logs) | 02:09 |
| jacktheripper | are the kernels in /boot/multiboot/ 'fiasco' (what does that mean ?) ? | 02:09 |
| jacekowski | fiasco is a image format | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | an* | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | for flashing | 02:10 |
| jacktheripper | ah it's a package that has the kernel inside ? | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | not only kernel | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | rootfs | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | bootloaders | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | rapuyama firmware | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | and rapuyama bootloader | 02:11 |
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| jacktheripper | how would I get the kernel from inside ? | 02:12 |
| jacktheripper | or at least view the contents | 02:12 |
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| jacekowski | with flasher | 02:13 |
| jacekowski | flasher can unpack it | 02:13 |
| jacktheripper | ah ok | 02:13 |
| jacktheripper | I was trying to boot a FIASCO image instead of an actual kernel :/ | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | how you managed to fir it there? | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | fit* | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | it's quite big | 02:15 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: maemo wiki says bme is closed for scruity reasons | 02:17 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: e.g. batteries can expode if played with casuing liabilities to nokia | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka "excuses, lame excuses" | 02:18 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: and you have mfctr's proof for that supposedly? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 02:18 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: communicate it without despair, then, that's the best bet. The bug trail suggests a relicensing has been made due to meego? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | a battery that *might* explode by any treatment you could possibly expose it to by N900 hardware, is strictly FORBIDDEN to sell in EU | 02:19 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: saying that it is safe to not explode if sold in EU, but maybe the bme is the blob making it so? | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | cell manufacturers' safety tests are way worse than all N900 could do | 02:20 |
| sivang | ahhh | 02:20 |
| sivang | I get the point now. | 02:20 |
| jacktheripper | jacekowski, it's the power kernel fiasco image, so it just had the kernel, 2 megs | 02:20 |
| sivang | btw, why is it called fiasco? | 02:20 |
| sivang | :) | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | because it IS :-P | 02:21 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I think I'm not gonna talk too much about this but refer people to your links and the bug trail, I am far from understnading anything meaningful in batteries | 02:21 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: nor in the politics behind it, although it could be an intereting endeavor | 02:22 |
| jacktheripper | 'required files not found'. I SWEAR I have the kernel in there :/ | 02:22 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I wish I could,though. | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: you're free to refer to my name and my statements | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also you might be interested in | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~batteryfaq | 02:23 |
| infobot | hmm... batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers | 02:23 |
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| mtnman | hello one and all | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: (fiasco) an odd sense of humour in Nokia dev dept. Fiasko means flask or bottle in Italian | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the meaning of desaster came later - I'm envisioning lots and lots of broken glass bottles :-) | 02:26 |
| mtnman | that would be "fiasco" (c not k) | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, c / k, who cares | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FR still is booting to "uBoot (dirty)" | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 02:28 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: hehe | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nobody knows what the (dirty) is meant to say | 02:30 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I will refer to your statements and docs, just not going to say too much about it other then "go read and vote" or something :) | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok with me | 02:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | don't forget to mention my offer to accept a contract with Nokia to tackle and fix it for good still stands | 02:32 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: heh, not sure i can say that , but you shoudl write someone in NOkia for that- | 02:33 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: much effective | 02:33 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: *more | 02:33 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I can at leas ask, "whom do we talk to about this rather sensitive issue" ? | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure about that. I've been talking to Nokia guys, and they were like "I have to see if we got enough money for that.. will take a few days" This was quite some months ago | 02:34 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: comment 44 is well written gonna use some slight partsof it. | 02:34 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: as I said don't despair. This is a very large organization and if you are persisten enogh only good will come out of this | 02:35 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: continue until profit | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or until hospital | 02:35 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: and this organization has some rather amazing people and great engineers, sometimes there must be red tape, but you need to be strong, imagine you live where i live :) | 02:35 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I will help instead of hospital | 02:36 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: to try and communicate stuff and remind every now and then, this is one of the goals of the talk actually. | 02:36 |
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| pipnuk | why would one person in the community outweigh many employees in the company? :) | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | pipnuk: PIPNUK??? | 02:36 |
| pipnuk | no difrefpect or nuthin :) | 02:36 |
| sivang | heh | 02:37 |
| sivang | it's nt that- | 02:37 |
| sivang | why do companies hire off the communty ? | 02:37 |
| sivang | pipnuk: ^ | 02:37 |
| sivang | this is the eyeballs principle , mostly I think | 02:37 |
| pipnuk | because some people in the community have a marginal productivity that can jump over the great barriers to hiring | 02:37 |
| sivang | hmm, not sure how to parse this | 02:38 |
| sivang | :) | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | kunpip: what happened to your nick? ;-P | 02:38 |
| sivang | but really, pipnuk ? | 02:38 |
| sivang | ;) | 02:38 |
| jacekowski | sivang: battery is required to take any abuse without exploding | 02:38 |
| sivang | HAHA | 02:38 |
| sivang | jacekowski: yes, I got that earlier | 02:38 |
| sivang | jacekowski: :) | 02:38 |
| sivang | jacekowski: and ti makes sense the mfct need to make sure engineers experimenting with it at a vendor don't kill themselves | 02:38 |
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| sivang | can someoneplease find me the call ui accidently answered since it unlocks automatically? | 02:45 |
| sivang | that one the Jaffa started a votepage for it on t.m.o | 02:46 |
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| Jef91 | is frals around? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/PACK950925.pdf p.66 >> 2 Overcharge, no explosion no fire no smoke, charge at 4.5V(!!) for 2 hours | 02:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 7.2.17 Overcharge | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | After Complete Charge, the sample cells are charged at 1200 mA(1C) of a constant current and | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4.5V of a constant voltage for 2 hours. All cells being tested are visually examined. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | safe enough? or do you still think N900 could make battery explode? :-D | 02:51 |
| sivang | I'm taking notes of that | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | nokia's concerns about opening up bme could cause exploding batteries are mere excuses | 02:53 |
| sivang | I am not expert, so I can't provide an opinion | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 02:53 |
| sivang | you shoudl continue asking | 02:53 |
| sivang | but this area of volts and electronics starts to become more and more interesting with your mentorship :) | 02:53 |
| sivang | I mean, in a way, interesting than software development | 02:54 |
| sivang | in different aspects. | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, on that ticket in trac they clearly stated they won't go open up *anything* | 02:54 |
| sivang | :) | 02:54 |
| sivang | trac ticket? | 02:54 |
| sivang | bugs.maemo.com? | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | some down from #44 | 02:54 |
| sivang | yes, that was the general feeliung. but maybe the same thing will happen as hapened with dsme? | 02:55 |
| sivang | that critical diffentiating stuff were moved over | 02:55 |
| sivang | etc | 02:55 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I will read it on the plane | 02:55 |
| sivang | gotta run soon | 02:55 |
| sivang | if I don't want to miss it | 02:55 |
| sivang | :) | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | have a nice flight | 02:55 |
| sivang | I saved all the bug reports for work on the flight | 02:55 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: thank you! | 02:55 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: if you are ever opening a embedded electronics training course, I'm thefirst the register | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 02:56 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: this affectionalty reminds me electricity studies back in uni | 02:56 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: :) | 02:56 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: one last thing "wants to make it available for other distors" | 02:57 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: what's that about? OM? | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, what? | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | the battery specs? yes, these are for gta02 aka FreeRunner battery | 02:58 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: there was a note there that open sourcing was requestedto make it run with other distros, maybe part of the differentiation concern? | 02:59 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: or was that ok actually? | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: sorry you lost me | 03:00 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: never mind, I guess this is irrelavant now | 03:01 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I will reread it and possibly email you with the question | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 03:01 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I downloaded the battery spec as wlel, lots of reading material on the flight :) | 03:02 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: with your cross reference | 03:03 |
| sivang | thanks again, and talk soon. | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | sivang - also - the bq27200 datasheet is worth a grab | 03:03 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: link? | 03:04 |
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| sivang | (sorry for the neediness) | 03:04 |
| sivang | I'm in kind of a hurry | 03:04 |
| sivang | SpeedEvil: privmsg the link and I owe you a beer | 03:05 |
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| internetishard | what are some productivity apps, off hand? | 03:38 |
| internetishard | http://www.dragosroua.com/iadd-for-iphone-ipad/ this looks useful | 03:38 |
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| wmarone | I suppose if oyu have an iPad maybe... | 03:44 |
| internetishard | of course not, but I'm just saying that sort of app, not that specific one | 03:44 |
| wmarone | ahh | 03:44 |
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| jacekowski | btw. | 03:45 |
| jacekowski | i met somebody with n900 today | 03:46 |
| jacekowski | i couldn't believe that | 03:46 |
| internetishard | lol, I know what you mean | 03:46 |
| wmarone | it's rare, yes | 03:46 |
| internetishard | I was like "wtf man" once, and the guy was all casual about it "whatever" | 03:46 |
| wmarone | at the meego event back in september I saw more people with N900s than I had ever seen | 03:46 |
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| internetishard | made me doubt that he knew what it was, and believe he just bought it because it was expensive | 03:46 |
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| * mtnman has only seen one n900 ever... his own. | 03:51 | |
| SwedeMike | I know plenty of people with them, even though a lot more people have android and iphones of course. | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err I even met two guys with own Freerunners, both during last year and here in my pub next door. And the total sales of FR is maybe factor 100 to 1000 lower than N900 | 03:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe even 5000 | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, probably not | 03:57 |
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| internetishard | wow | 03:58 |
| internetishard | you must have really been looking | 03:58 |
| internetishard | or... where do you live? | 03:58 |
| internetishard | a scandanavian country? | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not at all. Just sitting there using the device and they came and talked to me | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and my homebase is southern Germany | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | why would freewunners be more likely to be seen in scandinavian countries? | 03:59 |
| jacekowski | they are cooler people than people from south | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 04:00 |
| internetishard | lol | 04:02 |
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| mtnman | yes, i do believe that scandinavian people are cooler than those from the south... if due to nothing other than climate.... | 04:18 |
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| * luke-jr has never seen anyone else with a Zaurus, NIT, or OpenMoko | 05:17 | |
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| luke-jr | not even at LUG meetings | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | actually, I *might* have seen someone with a tall-form-factor Zaurus at a SCOSUG meeting about a decade ago | 05:18 |
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| Sargun_Screen | luke-jr: where do you live | 05:20 |
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| miststlkr | hello all. Just picked up an n800 last night and started messing around with it, I am getting asked for a password for the default user. when I look online I saw a few places where they mention that the default password "is well known" but apparently it was too obvious to mention. Help?? | 05:25 |
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| kd926 | does anyone know where i can find the canola2 source code or repository? | 06:00 |
| lolloo | what does canola do? | 06:04 |
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| kd926 | its a very polished media player | 06:05 |
| kd926 | good for touchscreens, tablets, phones, ect | 06:06 |
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| lolloo | awesome kd926 | 06:10 |
| lolloo | how can I install it please? | 06:10 |
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| kd926 | what kind of system? | 06:12 |
| lolloo | N900 maemo | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I *hate* it, but that's just me | 06:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's so... windowish | 06:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | every single UI standard has been modified and redefined | 06:14 |
| lolloo | oh really | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not even showing proper systray, just a fake version only consisting of a battery and GSM signal icon | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (btw much like ovi maps :-P ) | 06:15 |
| lolloo | hehehe | 06:15 |
| kd926 | DocScrutinizer: if you know of a cleaner looking media player for larger touchscreens i'm open to suggestions | 06:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and iirc I nor even found a 'normal' way to close the app | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | kd926: alas not | 06:17 |
| kd926 | I had intentions of digging deep into source to make things work as they should | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hey, much appreciated. If you're done with it, I'll give it another try maybe | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are lots of great bits in canola | 06:18 |
| kd926 | only issue right now is the source is nowhere to be found | 06:18 |
| lolloo | yes kd926 is looking for source | 06:18 |
| kd926 | its supposed to be at code.openbossa.org -- host is offline | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | sourceforge? or similar? | 06:18 |
| kd926 | it was originally closed source, then it was rewritten in python but its disappeared somehow | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 06:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't it in extras? | 06:19 |
| kd926 | tarballs are easily found but they need python2.5 and some things my gentoo system has deprecated at that version | 06:19 |
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| luke-jr | Sargun_Screen: I have lived in Connecticut, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, and now Florida. | 07:03 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, welcome to the Sunshine State. | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: you live here? | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | freaking cold lately :/ | 07:07 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, St. Pete | 07:07 |
| GAN900 | Yes, yes it has been | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | no idea where that is, other than that SLUG or whatever has a meeting there | 07:07 |
| GAN900 | Record highs week before, record lows this past week. | 07:07 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, the peninsula part of the Tampa Bay area. | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | near Clearwater or whatever it's called? | 07:08 |
| * luke-jr 's computer too slow to open a map | 07:08 | |
| GAN900 | Yeah, just a few minutes south. | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | I might be going there for a dentist sometimes. maybe we can meet up. | 07:09 |
| GAN900 | Not many Maemo people around here. | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | a bit far, so maybe not if I can find someone closer that doesn't use mercury | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | I'm over north-east of you in Dade City | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | or rather, outside Dade | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | about halfway to Brooksville I think | 07:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hey luke-jr, how's life? | 07:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lo GAN900 | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Imagine an egg falling rapidly toward pavement. | 07:14 |
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| GAN900 | luke-jr, lotta land out there. | 07:14 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: then imagine the pavement suddenly moving further downward, at unknown rates | 07:15 |
| GAN900 | Real Florida country. | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 07:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds familiar | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: most of it expensive, it seems | 07:15 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, that's where most of the people down here who can afford it keep ranches and weekend houses. | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:16 |
| luke-jr | why not just stay up here all the time? | 07:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: why did you fire that rocket? | 07:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | you really could've announced it | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't that you? :-D | 07:21 |
| luke-jr | ⁇? | 07:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | guten morgen | 07:21 |
| lolloo | gutten tag | 07:21 |
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| lolloo | hehehe | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://news.discovery.com/space/mystery-rocket-launched-off-californian-coast.html | 07:22 |
| lolloo | gross got | 07:22 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: oh crap, someone noticed that? | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, seems it's been a bit away from your home | 07:22 |
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| MohammadAG51 | I like how people appreciate time differences on skype | 07:27 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, jobs are mostly all down here. ;) | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | GAN900: oh. | 07:27 |
| * luke-jr doesn't do office jobs | 07:27 | |
| luke-jr | oh well, Eastern time sucks | 07:29 |
| luke-jr | night | 07:29 |
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| lolloo | so can you please direct me to best pdf reader on N900? | 07:35 |
| lolloo | yeah guys? | 07:37 |
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| lolloo | so best pdf reader is.... | 07:43 |
| chx | google docs :D | 07:44 |
| lolloo | on N900? | 07:44 |
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| ptl | evince | 08:06 |
| ptl | I use(d) it on the N900 | 08:06 |
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| lolloo | awesome ptl | 08:18 |
| lolloo | othe recommendations? | 08:18 |
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| TermanaDesire | Good morning | 08:33 |
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| * slonopotamus wonders why nickserv says "You are now identified FOR $nickname", not AS $nickname | 08:49 | |
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| TermanaDesire | slonopotamus: because you identify to an account | 08:55 |
| TermanaDesire | Eg. When I identify for this nickname it still tells me I identified for my original nickname | 08:56 |
| slonopotamus | TermanaDesire: to or for? :) | 08:57 |
| TermanaDesire | You get identified for that nickname and all grouped nicknames. FOR | 08:57 |
| slonopotamus | oh, grouped nicknames. okay. | 08:59 |
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| slonopotamus | hrw|gone: joining in "gone" state is kinda strange. | 09:03 |
| slonopotamus | oh, let's try once again :) anyone knows what the heck is stored in diablo-kernel orig.tar.gz? | 09:04 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hello all | 11:20 |
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| Afteris | hey | 11:29 |
| Bluewind | that powertop output looks a bit strange. imho there are way too many wakeups from the kernel and gp(what's that?). I ran it using ssh over wifi http://paste.xinu.at/NJjhE/ | 11:31 |
| Bluewind | I'm using kernel-power and overclocked to 1ghz | 11:31 |
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| Bluewind | sample interval of powertop is the default 30 sec | 11:35 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a way to crack an MMC's password? | 12:28 |
| alterego | not as far as I know, you mean the symbian protection? | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | I put my card in my uncle | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | err | 12:29 |
| alterego | Don't think so | 12:29 |
| alterego | Hahah | 12:29 |
| MohammadAG | uncle's N95... | 12:29 |
| joga | wrong slot! | 12:29 |
| joga | ;) | 12:30 |
| MohammadAG | he felt like locking it | 12:30 |
| * lcuk giggles | 12:30 | |
| alterego | So who wants to buy me plane tickets to dublin and let me sleep on their floor? :) | 12:31 |
| alterego | In return I'll be their bitch forever | 12:31 |
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| * MohammadAG buys alterego some tickets | 12:32 | |
| lcuk | alterego, you are near Cambridge aren't you? | 12:32 |
| alterego | lcuk: in Cambridge yeah | 12:32 |
| alterego | Well, just outside | 12:32 |
| MohammadAG | can't you drive to dublin? | 12:32 |
| lcuk | theres a bit of a puddle in the way | 12:32 |
| alterego | If I could drive, and had a car :P | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | you don't have a license? | 12:33 |
| lcuk | i bet he could wave his c++ license :P | 12:33 |
| alterego | Neah, never really needed one. | 12:33 |
| Termana | :P | 12:33 |
| * MohammadAG introduces alterego to the world of photoshop | 12:33 | |
| alterego | Hahah | 12:33 |
| MohammadAG | now you have one | 12:33 |
| alterego | tbh, I only wanna go to get my goodie bag and do a Qt cert :D | 12:34 |
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| MohammadAG | http://i52.tinypic.com/jr41lj.jpg awesome cable, my classmate gave it to me for hostmode :D | 12:34 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG, you could almost sell that as authentic :P | 12:35 |
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| MohammadAG | Termana: it is authentic :P | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | but not popular | 12:35 |
| Termana | oh. | 12:35 |
| Termana | :P | 12:35 |
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| MohammadAG | I never knew about it till toay | 12:35 |
| MohammadAG | today* | 12:35 |
| alterego | That's cute | 12:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | are you sure it's not just a nokia knock-off? I've seen em on eBay quite a bit | 12:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | I bought one, but it hasn't arrived yet | 12:36 |
| MohammadAG | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/memory-cards-and-cables/cables/nokia-connectivity-cable-ca-101d | 12:36 |
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| MohammadAG | it comes with E66s apparently | 12:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | Cool | 12:36 |
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| alterego | I guess that's a no then :d | 12:38 |
| MohammadAG | weird, it doesn't it's compatible with the N900, but then again, it's nokia.com :P | 12:39 |
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| alterego | Heh | 12:39 |
| lcuk | alterego, I would get you a ticket if I could, you have been hacking on qt and qml more than others openly and I have really enjoyed watching your cool stuff emerge | 12:39 |
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| alterego | lcuk: thanks :) | 12:40 |
| alterego | It's a shame because it's going to be the last semi maemo conf, and I've never managed to go to one. | 12:40 |
| MohammadAG | you are not alone :P | 12:40 |
| lcuk | you should have requested sponsorship from the meego organisers at the time :( | 12:41 |
| alterego | I did, but I f'd up and didn't do the form properly :S | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG | alterego: we could crash next year's event with Maemo 5, don't feel sad about it :P | 12:41 |
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| alterego | Heh | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG | or seriously, we could organize a community event, it doesn't have to be Nokia/Intel's :) | 12:42 |
| * lcuk would be pleased to see hildon emerge within meego :) | 12:42 | |
| alterego | If I was more organised I could have come up with the funds by getting my free upgrade and selling an N8 | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Next year, there is hopefully going to be a Harmattan device at least | 12:42 |
| alterego | Yeah | 12:42 |
| RST38h | Which will be Meego at least in the name. And do not forget Meego 1.2 on N900 | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | 1.5* | 12:42 |
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| RST38h | So, nothing to be self pitiful about | 12:42 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: patched xchat? :) | 12:43 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Not yet, did some contract work until 2am | 12:43 |
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| alterego | Me and a friend were thinking of doing a London or Cambridge meetup early next year | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG | alterego: why london and not israel? | 12:43 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I will have to find the proper spot (again), and it is not guaranteed that this will work | 12:43 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 12:43 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: cheaper for me, obviously :P | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: it wokrs for me, I pm'd you the patch | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | alterego: not for me, obviously :P | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Really? Have not seen it. Checking. | 12:44 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Nope, no message on tmo | 12:44 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: here on IRC | 12:45 |
| MohammadAG | http://i55.tinypic.com/33m1r8p.jpg see? it works :) | 12:45 |
| RST38h | =) | 12:45 |
| RST38h | I am often not here (you see my 'screen' runnign basically) | 12:46 |
| RST38h | BUT, if you email the patch or send it as tmo pm, I will integrate it by monday | 12:46 |
| alterego | RST38h: same, I'm always on, but it's just screen :D | 12:46 |
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| MohammadAG | same, but my bouncer saves buffers :P | 12:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | anyone got any ideas about this error? http://bit.ly/cfrNwR | 12:47 |
| alterego | I idle on the sever messages channel so I don't miss highlights when I'm afs | 12:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | morning alls :) | 12:47 |
| alterego | Hey Noobmonk3y ;) | 12:47 |
| RST38h | Noob: package download failed | 12:47 |
| alterego | I like typing noob and using auto complete ... | 12:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe :) | 12:47 |
| RST38h | For reasons unknown. If you want to see the details, check "Log" option in the HAM menu or (better) do apt-get install maecount | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: found it! http://pastebin.com/ECnNR7zB | 12:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | its a satisfying experience that i rarely get to do ;) | 12:48 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Aha, saving =) | 12:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks RST38h | 12:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | it's saying size mismatch | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG | update repos | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get update | 12:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | okies | 12:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | still the same | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | that went fast... | 12:49 |
| RST38h | then the package is broken | 12:49 |
| RST38h | report it to X-Fade just in case | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | sure it updated? | 12:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup | 12:49 |
| MohammadAG | (sorry, used to 5MB connections) | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | or the repo generated wrong md5sums | 12:50 |
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| Noobmonk3y | :| | 12:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 12:50 |
| alterego | bbiab | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | in which case, also shoot... err, shout at X-Fade's plane | 12:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | is he still on that darn plane?! | 12:50 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, it ran out of fuel so it's hanging above the airport | 12:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 12:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | X-Fade: Ping | 12:51 |
| MohammadAG | apparently, gravity is a WONTFIX in Ireland :P | 12:51 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol!! | 12:52 |
| rmrfchik | oh, nice, palm pre games works indeed. | 12:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | rmrfchik: yup, some are pretty cool! | 12:53 |
| RST38h | rmrf: no shit, sherlock | 12:53 |
| rmrfchik | at least settlers. Aslphat shows black screen :( | 12:53 |
| rmrfchik | RST38h: ;) | 12:53 |
| nidO | I find widelands much better than the pre version of settlers anyway tbh | 12:53 |
| rmrfchik | nidO: why? | 12:54 |
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| nidO | its not much tangible really, settlers for the pre just seems a bit... dumbed down | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h: I suggest you wrap it in #ifdef MAEMO_CHANGES ifs, but you know how to do that :) | 12:56 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: yea, I always do | 12:57 |
| RST38h | (I mean, do wrap, not do know :)) | 12:57 |
| * rmrfchik want solitaire games, like Aisleriot | 12:58 | |
| RST38h | Wasn't there aisleriot for N900 somewhere? | 12:58 |
| rmrfchik | for n810 it is | 12:58 |
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| rmrfchik | http://live.gnome.org/Aisleriot/Hildon | 12:59 |
| rmrfchik | Maemo 5 (N900) | 12:59 |
| rmrfchik | Not yet available. | 12:59 |
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| RST38h | port iot | 13:00 |
| RST38h | it. | 13:00 |
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| tobis87 | Anyone know how to fix this warning "‘backlog’ may be used uninitialized in this function" http://pastebin.com/B2Ss5FkS ? | 13:03 |
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| lcuk | tobis87, initialise it to NULL rather than leaving it uninitialised :) | 13:04 |
| RST38h | better find why it was uninitialized | 13:04 |
| rmrfchik | tobis87: it 27 line there is a garbage in backlog when !async_req | 13:05 |
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| rmrfchik | *in | 13:05 |
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| tobis87 | Yes, I thought that. But I don't know how, I only did most the time some copy pasting with c. | 13:05 |
| lcuk | tobis87, you initialise it in lines 18-21 only in certain conditions, then lower down expect to use it as a return value | 13:06 |
| rmrfchik | change 21 to "} else { backlog=NULL;}" | 13:06 |
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| tobis87 | lcuk: Yes, I do understand the problem. It is just that I do most thing by try and error. | 13:07 |
| tobis87 | rmrfchik: Ok, will try that. | 13:07 |
| lcuk | tobis87, if you understood the problem you would usually be able to fix it yourself :P | 13:07 |
| * lcuk must go though | 13:08 | |
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| tobis87 | lcuk: Yes, but I was not sure, I wanted to put backlog = NULL; into line 8 | 13:09 |
| tobis87 | eh line 9 | 13:09 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: if i use wget to get the deb it works fine, but the size is reportedly as 84kb, yet in HAM it is 17kb | 13:12 |
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| MohammadAG | then the repo's corrupt, wait for the reindex to happen | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | which should be in.... 20 minutes | 13:13 |
| MohammadAG | is there a way to get rid of the green text in R&D mode? It makes the framebuffer look ugly | 13:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: anyway, deb installs, icon appears in menu, i click on it and nothing happens ;) | 13:14 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 13:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | i am gonna start blaming your packaging skills soon lol ;) | 13:15 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't test it you know :P | 13:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 13:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | i noticed ;) | 13:15 |
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| MohammadAG | ah, /sbin/preinit | 13:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the ugly green text is to remind you about r&d being deprecated, esp for developers testing packages | 13:19 |
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| zap | X-Fade: hello, was the package version checking algorithm fixed? | 14:06 |
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| RST38h | Looks like Windows Phone has hit the same swap problem as Maemo | 14:50 |
| Arkenoi | lol | 14:50 |
| Arkenoi | they are trying to gather worst of all platforms? | 14:51 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Dunno but will find URL in a moment | 14:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:51 |
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| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/12/atandt-tells-samsung-focus-customers-not-to-buy-microsd-cards-yet/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+weblogsinc/engadgetmobile+%28Engadget+Mobile%29 | 14:52 |
| RST38h | Enjoy | 14:53 |
| trumee | anybody using syncevolution? | 14:53 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Actually there is an advantage here | 14:54 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: Once manufacturers start producing WP-certified fast SD cards, we can use them in N900! =) | 14:54 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, dunno, usually sd card performance bottleneck is not sd card itself. have not seen n900 tests if it can squeeze full speed from any of those, "regular" phones cannot | 14:56 |
| pipnuk | i have a new idea for maemo. maybe it's stupid. but imagine VNC except instead of a full-screen, it just shows one window. And that window is for one app that can be launched from your n900. | 14:57 |
| RST38h | pipnuk: doesn't vnc already do that? | 14:58 |
| pipnuk | the idea being to give the user the experience of launching a local app, but it runs on your pc | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Because many Windows-based Xservers do | 14:58 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: actually it is both the card and the data path | 14:58 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: the 7-day slowdown problem is the card, not the data path | 14:58 |
| pipnuk | last time i tried vnc for maemo it was a total headache | 14:59 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: happens when the swap rolls over and the kernel starts doing random writes from it | 14:59 |
| RST38h | accesses, not writes, sorry | 14:59 |
| RST38h | pipnk: it is a 3.5" screen, whaddyawant? | 14:59 |
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| * Arkenoi wants 4.5 screen. actually it could make device thinner as well. | 15:09 | |
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| Arkenoi | and keyboard larger | 15:10 |
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| * sivang is on insanely high wifi rates at LHR | 15:14 | |
| sivang | hi al | 15:14 |
| alterego | Aloha | 15:14 |
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| alterego | Hrm, return flights for 160 GBP | 15:26 |
| alterego | Anyone got a hotel room I can sleep on the floor of? :D | 15:27 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, just sleep in the stadium | 15:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:30 |
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| * MohammadAG51 still wants a pandaboard | 15:32 | |
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| Termana | MohammadAG51, then get one? :p | 15:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Termana, no credit card | 15:35 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, they require a credit card to buy one? | 15:36 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, can't borrow someone's I assume? | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, no, they all hate CCs on the internet :P | 15:36 |
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| Termana | MohammadAG51, prepaid credit card? | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | got one, only $30 left :P | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | and the post office's closed for quite some days I think | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | so.. what can I do with an N86? | 15:39 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 15:39 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, bin it | 15:40 |
| Termana | :P | 15:40 |
| Termana | hello mc_teo | 15:40 |
| mc_teo | does anyone else have the problem of .flvs not showing up in the media player? | 15:40 |
| mc_teo | i have extra codecs installed | 15:40 |
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| mc_teo | since upgraded to pr 1.3 ive had that problem | 15:43 |
| mc_teo | ill try reinstalling them | 15:43 |
| alterego | Are the pandaboards for sale now? | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, ping | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, afaik yes | 15:46 |
| alterego | schweet | 15:46 |
| * Noobmonk3y pongs badly | 15:46 | |
| alterego | That'll be my Christmas present :D | 15:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: ? | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, sent 0.5-1, should be with fixed desktop icon | 15:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | Ooo wow! | 15:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | yay! | 15:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | gonna go have a looky | 15:47 |
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| Noobmonk3y | i'm battling qmobility again, still not wokring | 15:48 |
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| alterego | Noobmonk3y: what's up now? :D | 15:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | Same as before | 15:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | squiggly yellow and red lines | 15:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | doesnt recognise it at all | 15:48 |
| alterego | Hrm | 15:48 |
| alterego | Under what? | 15:48 |
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| Noobmonk3y | added INCLUDEPATH += c:/qtmobility/src/feedback to the pro file (Trying to use the feedback one) | 15:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | no error on that line | 15:49 |
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| Noobmonk3y | but doesnt like #include <QFeedbackEffect> | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | what's that for? | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, built fine, should be there in 15 mins | 15:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | thanks Mo! | 15:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: Feedback ffect means i can use the vibration on the n900 with calling random n900 specifics | 15:50 |
| alterego | Noobmonk3y: try <QtMobility/blah.h> | 15:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1-tp/feedback.html | 15:50 |
| * MohammadAG51 would use echo 255 > /sys, but that's just him | 15:51 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: not portable, and does't have nice signals and slots :P | 15:51 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, #ifdef Q_WS_MAEMO_5 | 15:51 |
| alterego | urgh :P | 15:52 |
| alterego | Too much of that already | 15:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh no worky | 15:53 |
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| Dassu | Is there a way to query alarm time when in terminal? | 16:01 |
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| Noobmonk3y | loha Jaffa | 16:01 |
| Jaffa | Dassu: /var/cache/alarmd/... IIRC | 16:02 |
| alterego | Everyone's going to Dub but me :'( | 16:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: It installs fine now ;) - still does nothing lol | 16:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | alterego: and me :( | 16:03 |
| * MohammadAG51 curses | 16:03 | |
| Noobmonk3y | ;) hehehe | 16:03 |
| alterego | Found airline tickets for about 170 GBP | 16:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | anyway to test it from terminal? | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UIdI8khMkw | 16:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | thats not gonna help lol | 16:04 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol mo, was funny | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | ah | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | you could've said the icon stays highlighted | 16:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh | 16:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | and by the way | 16:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | the icon stays highlighted | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG51 | fixed | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | how the fuck did you make that button so big! | 16:08 |
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| Noobmonk3y | hehehe | 16:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | they fixed the button fuckup in the new qt | 16:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | no more <71 lol | 16:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, also one more thing | 16:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | oOOooo | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | decide on one app name lol | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | you have maecounter, maecount, and MaeCount as names | 16:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | i know!!! | 16:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | MaeCount it will eventually be | 16:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | i've changed the gui in my new version already | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | <Noobmonk3y> they fixed the button fuckup in the new qt YAY | 16:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | ;) :) | 16:11 |
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| alterego | Accomodation 100 quid for three nights | 16:13 |
| * alterego sighs | 16:13 | |
| * Noobmonk3y double sighs | 16:14 | |
| SpeedEvil | Where is this again - ireland? | 16:14 |
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| Termana | SpeedEvil, to be sure to be sure | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, tickets 700 effing bucks | 16:14 |
| * MohammadAG51 sighs | 16:14 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: for your flights? | 16:14 |
| * Noobmonk3y would love to have gone too :( | 16:15 | |
| SpeedEvil | I'd offer to put alterego up - but a bed in scotland is unlikely to be much use. | 16:15 |
| * Termana joins in and sighs as well | 16:15 | |
| Noobmonk3y | dont know where everyone gets the money :( | 16:15 |
| alterego | Heh, | 16:15 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: I think I'm closer in Cambridge :P | 16:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: depends, you could start the rival #meegoScotconf | 16:15 |
| * Noobmonk3y is a few hundred miles south down near brighton | 16:15 | |
| alterego | Heh | 16:15 |
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| RST38h | moo javispedro | 16:17 |
| javispedro | morning | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, didn't get a visa, so.. meh, no flights for me | 16:18 |
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| trumee | alterego: hey got a question about Media-IM status updater. | 16:18 |
| alterego | trumee: yup? | 16:19 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: there is always next time | 16:19 |
| trumee | alterego: does Media-IM trigger a network connect even when there is no prior connection? | 16:19 |
| alterego | trumee: shouldn't do. | 16:20 |
| alterego | It's possible, I think, if you disconnect from the internet half way through a song. | 16:20 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: no visa?!?! | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, I need a visa to go to ireland | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, I guess so | 16:21 |
| alterego | Why> | 16:21 |
| alterego | It's not like you're working there? | 16:21 |
| trumee | alterego: hmm. ok, but say if you launch the media player (and there is no prior internet connection), then device will not be asked to connect to internet by Media IM? | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | tourist visa | 16:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | randommmmmmmmm | 16:21 |
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| alterego | trumee: no, because it knows your current IM status. | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | if I had an israeli passport I wouldn't need it | 16:21 |
| trumee | alterego: ok, going to give the app a go then. | 16:22 |
| * MohammadAG51 wants a C++ rewrite :P | 16:22 | |
| alterego | trumee: and you should be offline when you're not connected. So it wont do anything. | 16:22 |
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| trumee | alterego: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=853962&postcount=76 | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, is there a way to flash symbian devices without using windows? | 16:23 |
| trumee | alterego: i am going to check again | 16:23 |
| alterego | trumee: me too ;) | 16:23 |
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| * Noobmonk3y wants qtmobility to just work, but we dont get what we want it seems Mo | 16:25 | |
| * Noobmonk3y cuddles MohammadAG51 !!!! | 16:27 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | maeCount works! oh baby! | 16:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | ok, is still shite, but it works | 16:28 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: 1 hour of reading and finally.......... | 16:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | In particular, the Maemo5 platform currently has no haptic effect provider plugin; it is a work in progress. | 16:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | ergo............ it wont work, bloody useless to hide that way! | 16:49 |
| alterego | Noobmonk3y: I suspected as much, | 16:50 |
| alterego | Didn't bother checking though :P | 16:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | the qt documentation is normally bad, but there really is sooo litte on qtmobility and nothing in a sensible order | 16:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | i've wasted over 2 weeks trying to use it, and tbh, its a waste of time | 16:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | ifdef seems the way to go! | 16:51 |
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| Noobmonk3y | brb | 16:51 |
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| MohammadAG | hey X-Fade | 16:53 |
| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: hah! | 16:53 |
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| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: and I wonder how they are going to haptic when mce keeps on tinkering with the vibrator every other second | 16:54 |
| * javispedro hopes this means a future release might fix this periodic intrusion! | 16:54 | |
| javispedro | and allow me to play with the vibrator.. | 16:54 |
| javispedro | in a hacking sense, ofc. | 16:54 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, you can play with the vibrator | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | if you have kernel-power | 16:58 |
| javispedro | huh? | 16:58 |
| javispedro | what does kernel-power do to mce? | 16:59 |
| jacekowski | nothing | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | it introduces a dbrightness node in /sys | 16:59 |
| HateBreeder | does anyone know that how good android 2.2 is on nokia n900? i'll get n900 soon and i want know it:) | 16:59 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: that's stock! | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | try it on LEDs, never tested the vibra, but leds work | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, dbrightness, with a d | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | the d wasn't a typo | 17:00 |
| javispedro | which is a hack that overrides whatever is in brightness without a d? =) | 17:00 |
| * GAN900 slowly whittles down the list | 17:00 | |
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| pipnuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd5yN43TqCk The Power of Bob Marley (sfw) | 17:00 |
| HateBreeder | is this right channel to ask things about n900? | 17:01 |
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| pipnuk | really funny | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, mce is hardcoded to check brightness, it doesn't notice dbrightness | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | you can write to dbrightness, and keep the led on | 17:01 |
| mc_teo | that would be very cheap here | 17:01 |
| javispedro | so it is what I thought... | 17:01 |
| mc_teo | (100 quid for 3nights) | 17:01 |
| * javispedro sighs | 17:02 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yep | 17:02 |
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| mc_teo | and reinstalling extra decoders worked | 17:02 |
| javispedro | mce just needs a "DoNotControlVibratorForTheNextNSeconds" call. | 17:02 |
| javispedro | with N < 60 | 17:02 |
| mc_teo | now all my media is back in my media player | 17:03 |
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| alterego | Less see if this works :D | 17:06 |
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| mc_teo | how do i rebuild my media collection? | 17:11 |
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| Necc | it's automatic by tracker daemon | 17:13 |
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| Necc | just wait a couple of minutes | 17:14 |
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| dRbiG | automatic rebuild are evil | 17:26 |
| dRbiG | ehh | 17:27 |
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| jacekowski | why? | 17:31 |
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| javispedro | "Apple opens its JVM" | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, is that an attempt to wake up #maemo? | 17:39 |
| javispedro | basically, but I guess everyone is packing :) | 17:39 |
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| mc_teo | anyway i can speed up rebuilding? | 17:41 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 17:41 |
| mc_teo | like start it now, rather than speed up rebuilding | 17:41 |
| * MohammadAG thanks the N86 for reminding him how slow symbian can be | 17:42 | |
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| mc_teo | lol, while talking here the rebuilding has occured | 17:42 |
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| Dassu | any replacement for alarmtool on Maemo5? | 18:01 |
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| n900-space | hey all | 18:03 |
| n900-space | i want to ask something about "Advanced Power" software | 18:03 |
| n900-space | I installed something and now I have 2 things listed related to this in Uninstal List | 18:03 |
| n900-space | one is "Advanced Power" and another is "Advanced Power Monitor" | 18:03 |
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| n900-space | i cannot see any battery indicator in the drop down menu which appears when i click/touch on the clock on n900 | 18:05 |
| n900-space | infact there is no battery meter, the original one is gone and there is no new one | 18:05 |
| n900-space | The description of "advanced power monitor" says that it can only be executed from command line | 18:06 |
| n900-space | so how do i start it, whats the command and where is the battery meter | 18:06 |
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| Arkenoi | something locked my camera and flashlight. how do i find out what? i thought it was flashlight-extra, but removing it did not help | 18:09 |
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| trumee | is it possible to find out the files a particular app creates in /home/user? | 18:13 |
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| trumee | w00t_: ping | 18:15 |
| javispedro | trumee: by examining its source code or stracing it... | 18:15 |
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| trumee | javispedro: is strace available on maemo? | 18:16 |
| javispedro | tools repository | 18:16 |
| trumee | javispedro: cheers | 18:16 |
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| timeless_mbp | trumee: mxr.maemo.org can also help :) | 18:26 |
| timeless_mbp | but yeah, install strace from tools | 18:26 |
| javispedro | mxr rules! | 18:27 |
| * javispedro is a heavy user of it... He hopes timeless doesn't ban his for "unsanely load levels" :) | 18:28 | |
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| timeless_mbp | javispedro: a friend hosts it | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | and hasn't complained | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | mxr.meego is different, it's currently amazon hosted and in theory charges by use | 18:28 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to get it moved to OSU infra | 18:28 |
| * timeless_mbp needs to add that to the to do list for next week | 18:29 | |
| javispedro | and btw, | 18:29 |
| javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | 18:29 |
| javispedro | is 1.2 index still in progress? | 18:29 |
| timeless_mbp | does i claim that? | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | "oops" :) | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, it lies | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | badly, horribly | 18:30 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:30 | |
| javispedro | index seems to work :) | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, and i should probably figure out the story on 1.3 too | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | i need to do an l10n pull for 1.3 too | 18:30 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, reload the root :) | 18:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be less wrong now :) | 18:31 |
| javispedro | yep | 18:31 |
| javispedro | thanks! | 18:32 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 18:32 | |
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| timeless_mbp | i don't advertise that you can use /fremanle12 | 18:32 |
| timeless_mbp | s/le/tle/ | 18:33 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: i don't advertise that you can use /fremantle12 | 18:33 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders why | 18:33 | |
| * javispedro ignores the difference | 18:33 | |
| timeless_mbp | well, fremantle = fremantle12 these days | 18:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | so advertising 12 is silly :) | 18:33 |
| * timeless_mbp finalizes commit | 18:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | ok, that's done | 18:34 |
| timeless_mbp | right, so.. | 18:34 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 18:34 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyone here know anything about s60? :) | 18:35 |
| * timeless_mbp finds http://www.antonypranata.com/screenshot | 18:35 | |
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| dRbiG | hmm, any reason why gprs counters stay at 'No value set for' even if i use the gprs connection? | 18:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | try to "reset" the counters? | 18:45 |
| timeless_mbp | ime the counters are vaguely stupid | 18:45 |
| pupnik | i need someone in taiwan to ship me 6-12 cans of bean paste | 18:46 |
| dRbiG | timeless_mbp: i guess i can do the reset using gconftool-2, right? | 18:47 |
| timeless_mbp | try the ui first? | 18:47 |
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| einsteinchen | hey | 19:09 |
| einsteinchen | i'll get my n900 next week, is there any modded os that i should try? | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use maemo PR1.3 for the first few weeks | 19:11 |
| Necc | do you has any EXACT reason to use "modded" OSes or you just think it's cool and wanna try them out? | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | gives you enough to play with and to learn | 19:11 |
| einsteinchen | i just wonna try them | 19:12 |
| einsteinchen | its more playing aroud with a new toy :) | 19:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes a note about another OCer whining for having "bricked his device with multiboot" | 19:13 | |
| Necc | well look, if you has no exact reason to use them, just "try them" then i do not recomend it. you will gain nothing, just less what the stock OS can provide to you. every alternative OS is experimental only, witch means it does not works well at all | 19:13 |
| javispedro | every alternative OS has its own set of funny quirks | 19:13 |
| * javispedro launches OPTIMIZE TABLE for a ~1GiB table... | 19:14 | |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | which db? | 19:15 |
| einsteinchen | Necc: i didnt now they are all experimental, maybe i'll start with the stock, i dont want to brick it | 19:15 |
| Necc | if you want to play with something, then i recomend "easy debian". with this, at least you can not screw up your device, but you are still able to run almost any debian linux application | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Necc++ | 19:16 |
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| Necc | you will not brick your device if you follow the manuals, but you will get less from every OS what the "default" Maemo5 can provide to you | 19:16 |
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| einsteinchen | Necc: thx for the advise | 19:17 |
| Necc | for example if you install NitDroid (android), you will be able to run every 2-nd application and every 4-th game on the android market without any problems. and in the other hand, your battery will run out in no-time as nitdroid has no fully made energy management -yet. | 19:18 |
| javispedro | and might never will, as maemo and the n900 ahs a fundamentally different way to conserve energy | 19:18 |
| javispedro | er.. | 19:18 |
| javispedro | yes. | 19:19 |
| javispedro | most android devices suspend. the pre suspends. the iphone suspends. | 19:19 |
| javispedro | the n900 doesn't. | 19:19 |
| einsteinchen | Necc: battery is a good point | 19:19 |
| RST38h | javis: Doesn't N900 also suspend between alarmd invokations? | 19:20 |
| Necc | imo, stick to "easy debian" if you want to play with native linux applications, it's safe, easy to install, and you can not brick your device with it | 19:20 |
| ShadowJK | N900 does what the PC world calls "Suspend to Ram" whenever idle long enough.. | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | Clocks off, Voltage off :P | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | until some hardware event wakes it up | 19:21 |
| einsteinchen | Necc: im gonna try it, but first i need my phone ^^ | 19:21 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: regulated by cpuidle | 19:21 |
| ShadowJK | sure | 19:22 |
| javispedro | by suspend I understand that the OS launches a suspend(), freezes tasks, etc. when the activity timeout fires and/or power button is pressed | 19:22 |
| Necc | ShadowJK: the beauties of cortex-A8 :P | 19:22 |
| Necc | that's why smartreflex just works fine too :D | 19:22 |
| Necc | or smartflex.. can't remember the name atm :/ | 19:23 |
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| einsteinchen | is there any other advice for an n900 newbie? | 19:23 |
| Necc | yes: star to learn some linux console command | 19:23 |
| RST38h | javispedro: afaik, there was a utility in Maemo4 that did just that | 19:23 |
| ShadowJK | smartreflex is "just" extra voltage reg inside the CPU ;-) | 19:23 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: not sure if Nokia has one for maemo5, internally | 19:24 |
| derf | RST38h: There was a script. | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | iirc it was "plan B" for N8x0 if they had been unable to get cpuidle working in time | 19:24 |
| einsteinchen | Necc: im using right now irssi with Ubuntu | 19:24 |
| derf | I don't think it was ever made into a "utility". | 19:24 |
| RST38h | derf: ah, so the functionality is there somewhere, ready to be invoked? | 19:24 |
| ShadowJK | iirc you could get it as an item in the powerbutton menu | 19:24 |
| derf | It could only suspend for 64 seconds at a time, or the watchdog timer would kill the device. | 19:25 |
| RST38h | oh | 19:25 |
| javispedro | you're talking about that mce.ini suspend? | 19:25 |
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| javispedro | iirc the one in the powerbutton menu / mce.ini was fake | 19:25 |
| javispedro | it just entered flight mode and idled | 19:25 |
| derf | Yeah, that is not what I'm talking about. | 19:26 |
| javispedro | real one :) | 19:26 |
| RST38h | that's not a realsuspend then | 19:26 |
| derf | I'm talking about some old software suspend scripts that were done way back for the N800. | 19:26 |
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| derf | Of the echo mem > /sys/power/state variety. | 19:26 |
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| javispedro | point is, that a lot of software in android assumes the system takes care of powersaving (by suspending) | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | While in Maemo kernel allows everything that wants to run, to run :P | 19:27 |
| javispedro | a thing that has been suggested many times in the ML (sending SIGSTOP signals, etc.) but I personally dislike. | 19:27 |
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| ShadowJK | (but also sends a signal whenever the device is "idle") | 19:27 |
| ShadowJK | Well the SDL wrapper idea was interesting | 19:28 |
| javispedro | the issue here is the stupid sdl 10hz tick | 19:28 |
| javispedro | the only sane way to do powersaving in a sdl1.2 is to kill it :) | 19:28 |
| javispedro | *app. | 19:29 |
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| slonopotamus | SIGSTOP ftw! | 19:29 |
| derf | Well, that's because SDL is a toy. | 19:29 |
| kerio | SIGNUKE | 19:30 |
| * slonopotamus wants SIGBEEP | 19:31 | |
| javispedro | derf: at least 1.3 fixes it iirc | 19:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: can we safely upgrade to sdl1.3? Will the apps work? | 19:33 |
| einsteinchen | multiboot is working on the n900, right? | 19:34 |
| javispedro | RST38h: will be something interesting to try. | 19:34 |
| lcuk | einsteinchen, dualboot is non-trivial at this point and requires clarification and streamlining | 19:35 |
| einsteinchen | lcuk: ok, not for starters ^^ | 19:35 |
| einsteinchen | lcuk: is flshing tivial, im using Ubuntu, so im familiar with the console | 19:37 |
| lcuk | einsteinchen, go read up on the instructions and make your own mind up. i find the copy to mmc and soft boot kernel replacement method simplest | 19:38 |
| einsteinchen | lcuk: got it, ill use google first an ask later ;) | 19:39 |
| corecode | what freq/voltages do you use on your n900? | 19:41 |
| corecode | i tried the ideal setting | 19:41 |
| corecode | but that crashes | 19:41 |
| SpeedEvil | default. | 19:41 |
| corecode | i mean people who actually change the voltage/freq | 19:42 |
| kerio | ~omap-oc | 19:42 |
| infobot | i guess omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 19:42 |
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| corecode | that's all FUD with the wear out | 19:43 |
| wmarone | how so? | 19:44 |
| corecode | because higher frequencies do not lead to electromigration | 19:44 |
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| corecode | only higher voltage does | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 19:44 |
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| corecode | jesus | 19:44 |
| corecode | that again | 19:44 |
| corecode | yes. | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Higher integrated current does. | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | It has little to do with voltage | 19:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Or more accurately higher integrated some-function of current. | 19:45 |
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| GAN900 | corecode, OMAP3 is not an Intel Core 2. | 19:47 |
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| GAN900 | corecode, talk to the people who've already killed their devices. | 19:48 |
| corecode | who did? | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | corecode, there've been a number of reports on Talk. | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | Also: talk to the electrical geniuses we have floating around in here. | 19:49 |
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| corecode | anecdotal evidence | 19:49 |
| corecode | as is "my colleague oc'ed his palm pre" | 19:49 |
| GAN900 | corecode, and what's your evidence? | 19:49 |
| kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdiz0k0Rudw | 19:49 |
| corecode | which he did | 19:49 |
| corecode | as i expected | 19:50 |
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| corecode | FUD still going on in here | 19:50 |
| * GAN900 is packed! | 19:50 | |
| kerio | gee, sure is troll around here | 19:50 |
| wmarone | corecode: because it's all a conspiracy to keep devices underpowered! | 19:50 |
| wmarone | TI doesn't know anything at all! | 19:50 |
| pupnik | "Can you feed a newborn baby ramen noodles everyday? - Yahoo! Answers" | 19:50 |
| GAN900 | We all work for Nokia, we want you to buy a new device! | 19:51 |
| javispedro | pupnik: How to make babby? How woman get pregnant?? | 19:51 |
| pupnik | :) | 19:51 |
| corecode | right, that's why i'm asking about undervolt settings | 19:51 |
| corecode | ... | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, s/can you/is it a good idea to/ | 19:51 |
| corecode | get over yourselves | 19:51 |
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| pupnik | answer is yes :) | 19:51 |
| Voa | hello everyone | 19:52 |
| Voa | how are we doing today? | 19:52 |
| pupnik | someone literally built the device i asked them to | 19:52 |
| GAN900 | corecode, TI voltages scaling seems to invalidate most of the potention harm reducing effects of undervoltage. | 19:52 |
| javispedro | pupnik: http://www.somethingawful.com/flash/shmorky/babby.swf | 19:52 |
| corecode | GAN900: ENOPARSE | 19:52 |
| pupnik | so i'm quite dedicated to that over corporation | 19:52 |
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| GAN900 | Voa, emotionally preparing myself to be molested by the TSA | 19:52 |
| pupnik | no flash here sorry | 19:52 |
| * GAN900 is typing retarded. | 19:53 | |
| dRbiG | does the builtin maemo web browser understand *.mht files? | 19:53 |
| RST38h | GAN900: http://www.nostate.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/myfirstcavitysearch.jpg | 19:53 |
| RST38h | pupnik: who built the device? | 19:54 |
| pupnik | hahah | 19:54 |
| pupnik | the openpandora guys :) | 19:54 |
| pupnik | well they're still building it | 19:54 |
| pupnik | lol | 19:54 |
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| pupnik | i'm upset at the trend to oled - it's not as good as transflective in sunlight | 19:55 |
| RST38h | pupnik: will it make phone calls? | 19:55 |
| pupnik | especially considering battery drain | 19:55 |
| kerio | pupnik: will it blend? | 19:55 |
| pupnik | phone calls aren't really high on my list of priorities for such devices | 19:55 |
| Voa | what is the tsa GAN900 ? | 19:56 |
| RST38h | oh | 19:56 |
| einsteinchen | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TCHSGvNwRY | 19:56 |
| javispedro | pupnik: are they already shipping? :) | 19:57 |
| pupnik | yes | 19:57 |
| javispedro | the batch with actually-won't-wear-in-a-few-weeks nubs? | 19:58 |
| RST38h | pupnik: do they pay dividends on the money you paid them months ago? =) | 19:58 |
| javispedro | interesting :) | 19:58 |
| pupnik | nice one einsteinchen | 19:59 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I think Nokia S60 energy profiler has a screenshot functionality, if that was what you were looking for | 19:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i found one, thanks | 19:59 |
| einsteinchen | thx | 19:59 |
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| Voa | does anyone know what does differ twitter from fb? | 20:00 |
| einsteinchen | fb > 140 | 20:01 |
| Voa | or they similar? | 20:01 |
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| RST38h | Voa: are you sure you connected to the right server? | 20:01 |
| Voa | yes why you ask? | 20:02 |
| RST38h | Voa: tried google.com? | 20:02 |
| Voa | no i wanted to chat so asked a question is that bad? | 20:02 |
| GAN900 | Voa, Transport Safety Administration. US Government entity responsible for airport security. | 20:02 |
| RST38h | no,not at all, although asking it on a different server would probably work better | 20:02 |
| Voa | thanks GAN900 well i hope they go light on you with taxes or you can all ways become a robin hood :) | 20:03 |
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| Voa | is it becouse you are not fans of those king of social networks you say this RST38h ? | 20:03 |
| RST38h | Voa:No, it is because this irc channel has nothing to do with either | 20:03 |
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| Voa | well they are avaible on n900 so i want to see if they worth installing | 20:04 |
| Voa | the apps for both | 20:04 |
| javispedro | RST38h: maybe he's asking about fb=Framebuffer ;) | 20:04 |
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| dRbiG | fb vesa ftw! | 20:05 |
| RST38h | javispedro: and is twitter some new kind of audio framework? =) | 20:05 |
| javispedro | who knows! these days a new framework for anything appears | 20:05 |
| javispedro | every day. | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | can someone here suggest a web site which uses popups? | 20:06 |
| Necc | sex.com porn.net | 20:06 |
| Necc | or ultimatewarezsite.org :p | 20:06 |
| Voa | facebook seems cool but they spy on you too much twitter diden't try it yet you guys use any of the 2? | 20:07 |
| Voa | on the n900? | 20:07 |
| Necc | hehe ok these aren't existing websites, but i guess you get the idea | 20:07 |
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| steinex | Voa: there is so value in carrying a smartphone if you are not a member of twitter / facebook | 20:09 |
| steinex | :D | 20:09 |
| * steinex hides | 20:09 | |
| steinex | s/so/no/ | 20:10 |
| RST38h | <--please port Meego to E7--> | 20:10 |
| steinex | please port meego to your ass. | 20:11 |
| steinex | i actually bought an iphone 4 :/ | 20:11 |
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| steinex | and no, im not a troll ;) | 20:11 |
| RST38h | steinex: That is where you are supposed to /leave you know | 20:12 |
| andre41 | Voa: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=facebook+twitter+compare | 20:12 |
| Necc | ... yet you are not\ | 20:12 |
| steinex | RST38h: the iphone actually cant replace my n900, so no, i'm not ;) | 20:12 |
| RST38h | Before somebody uses you for a witty kick comment, that is | 20:12 |
| Necc | but we will se after a couple of weeks/months | 20:13 |
| steinex | RST38h: don't take me too seriously.. | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | Not taking you seriously at all, dude =) | 20:13 |
| Necc | if eyePhone can not replace your N900, the honestly: why the f**k you bought it? | 20:14 |
| Necc | *then | 20:14 |
| kerio | the iphone looks really sw33t | 20:17 |
| kerio | that's about it | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | [13:09:51] <steinex> Voa: there is so value in carrying a smartphone if you are not a member of twitter / facebook | 20:17 |
| luke-jr | there is more truth to this than it seems at face value | 20:17 |
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| Voa | ill keep fb for now as i need it for my informatic school only reason why i made it but i am also not a smartphone fun | 20:19 |
| Voa | social network fun i mean | 20:19 |
| RST38h | The only use for Twitter that I know is being able to say "blogger, shut your twitter" | 20:19 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 20:20 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, twitter is useful to spread ones suffering to others. | 20:23 |
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| javispedro | tbh I've found a use for Twitter | 20:25 |
| javispedro | that is exactly to follow people on #meegoconf =) | 20:25 |
| javispedro | same as when #maebar happened | 20:25 |
| RST38h | lcuk: not interested, unless it is done in a really creative way (pretty much excludes twitter) | 20:25 |
| lcuk | indeed javispedro its like irc but you dont have to remain logged in | 20:25 |
| javispedro | What I see is that it has a lower barrier-to-entry than IRC | 20:26 |
| RST38h | does autobuilder still post to twitter btw? | 20:26 |
| Arkenoi | something locked my camera and flashlight. how do i find out what? i thought it was flashlight-extra, but removing it did not help | 20:26 |
| javispedro | what?? | 20:26 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Is that...a good thing? 8) | 20:26 |
| lcuk | RST38h, i dont think autobuilder itself does, but I think theres a twitter bot slurping the rss feed | 20:26 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: may have to reboot | 20:27 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: depending on who you want to follow | 20:28 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, does not help | 20:28 |
| javispedro | or more accurately, "what". | 20:28 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi:how about ps -ax to some pastebin? | 20:28 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I don't, really... | 20:29 |
| * DocScrutinizer reads comments about twitter, and suffocates from coughing | 20:30 | |
| Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/ps.txt | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: what's the meaning of "lock" in that context? | 20:32 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, "Operation failed" "camera locked by other application" , whatever, when i try to run anything that uses camera | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's flashlight-extra | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I bet | 20:33 |
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| Arkenoi | i removed it and rebooted, did not help | 20:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | flashlight-extra, though a nice concept I fully agree with, was so buggy and CPU hogging and causing segfaults and whatnot, I had to remove it | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I'd not be surprised to learn even uninstall doesn't work like expected, for fl-extra | 20:35 |
| Arkenoi | :-) | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe check which files are installed by fl-extra pkg, and what exactly postinstall script does | 20:35 |
| Arkenoi | btw front camera is "locked" as well | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | no surprise | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't use both concurrently, they are muxed | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so if one of both is "in use", the other one is simply not available at all | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lsof might help, rmmod might help, deep investigation about what fl-extra does will help | 20:38 |
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| Arkenoi | conversation-inbox crashed again taking all widgets with it | 20:39 |
| Arkenoi | happens at least once a week | 20:39 |
| RST38h | ah! | 20:41 |
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| RST38h | Arkenoi: camkeyd! | 20:41 |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, really? will try to kill it. it worked flawlessly for almost an year | 20:42 |
| RST38h | this is the only daemon I see that is related to camera in some way | 20:42 |
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| Arkenoi | i do not think button is wired to camera with any hardware link :-) | 20:43 |
| Arkenoi | well, will try to remove | 20:43 |
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| Arkenoi | RST38h, did not help either (and i did not expect it to) | 20:48 |
| Arkenoi | is there a camera device i can find via lsof? | 20:50 |
| Voa | hello are we best friends people? | 20:50 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 20:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | seriously guys, where do i find a window opener? | 20:51 |
| Voa | timeless_mbp: what happend my rose? | 20:52 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 20:52 |
| Voa | tell your best friend what happend | 20:52 |
| Voa | are you ok? | 20:53 |
| timeless_mbp | ?? | 20:53 |
| Voa | what happend time are you ok? | 20:55 |
| Voa | or you need a free hug? | 20:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: what's the root question? | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The camera appears as /dev/video? | 20:58 |
| timeless_mbp | would someone please ban Voa | 20:59 |
| Arkenoi | no process has /dev/video open | 20:59 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: maybe there is a lock file somewhere? | 21:00 |
| Voa | why should the ban me my friend timeless_mbp i am asking if you need a free hug? | 21:00 |
| Voa | you should be happy | 21:01 |
| * timeless_mbp rotfl @ http://xkcd.com/810/ | 21:01 | |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, any places to check? | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi:the usual, /var | 21:02 |
| RST38h | Probably /tmp too | 21:02 |
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| Arkenoi | i guess it would be cleaned up n reboot if it was tmp | 21:05 |
| Arkenoi | nothing suspicious in /var (at least at the first glance) | 21:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: XP | 21:05 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: the recall message is awesome | 21:06 |
| * Voa lelly kelly are my little shoes o yea ! | 21:06 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: camerad is preload-started at bootup. Check if it's running and if it's not, then try to get error msgs from startup | 21:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ps|grep cam | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 781 root 15236 S /usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video0 -f /tmp/omap3camd0 | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | 832 root 15124 S /usr/sbin/omap3camd -d /dev/video1 | 21:09 |
| Arkenoi | nope, i do not have it running, will try to start manually | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-) | 21:09 |
| Arkenoi | it does not start. it says it does and then exits silently, no error messages | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | tmo statistics: useful users in october .../ (graph goes up), now: |, and the arrow isn't pointing upwards | 21:11 |
| RST38h | You have got some sentient users in october?really? | 21:11 |
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| MohammadAG | oh right, those were from before | 21:12 |
| Arkenoi | is there a debug/verbose mode for omap3camd? | 21:12 |
| javispedro | the ship is sinking! | 21:12 |
| Voa | when the ship goes down you better be ready | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: check your modules | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | I already got gills | 21:13 |
| Arkenoi | lsmod|grep cam shows nothing | 21:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: you had fcam, or the other one? both are replacing stock cam driver modules by sth that won't work under 1.3 | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | also power-kernel is known to have issues | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | or have had | 21:15 |
| Arkenoi | yes, i run power-kernel, but it worked after update to 1.3 for sure | 21:15 |
| RST38h | fcam works in 1.3 | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode came with modules that didn't support cam afaik | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I'm rather sure you messed up your cam drivers somehow | 21:16 |
| GAN900 | Bridge construction when you need to be at the airport is helpful. | 21:16 |
| * Arkenoi wonders how | 21:16 | |
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| MohammadAG | fcam doesn't work on kernel-power 42+ afaik | 21:19 |
| Arkenoi | so it is fcam-drivers to blame? | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's kernel-power to blame I guess | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG | well, I myself never tried it on my device, but I did on my classmate's and it kept saying Operation Failed on the main camera | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | board_rx51_camera 5216 1 / omap34xxcam_mod 18244 8 / isp_mod 90288 3 board_rx51_camera,omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod / videobuf_dma_sg 9348 3 omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod,isp_mod / videobuf_core 14020 3 omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod,videobuf_dma_sgvideobuf_core 14020 3 omap_previewer_hack,omap34xxcam_mod,videobuf_dma_sg etc etc | 21:22 |
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| Arkenoi | so i guess camera stopped working since i updated to hostmode enabled kernel | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you bet it did | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | check back with power kernel "support" | 21:29 |
| Arkenoi | well, i think i will just wait for next update | 21:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | update of what? | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hostmode, power kernel, fcam? | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | hostmode didn't break fcam, it did break PSFreedom though | 21:30 |
| Arkenoi | power kernel i guess | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I lost track. Is recent version of h-e-n rdepends power-kernel now? or what exactly does it do? | 21:31 |
| joga | heh, I wonder how long it takes until someone uses kinect with n900 | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't depend on anything, it's bad, I know | 21:32 |
| trumee | is there any advantage of running any of these power kernels except for hostmode? I already have pptp modules for stock kernel and not interested in OC. | 21:32 |
| * MohammadAG likes the kernel-feature thing | 21:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer | not a real problem. I just suggest you edit post #1 of that hread to get a proper howto there. Also for ninstall | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | uninstall* | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | also, what is kernel-feature-automounter? | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | mentioning which hm-enabled kernel builds are available, where they are, and what's exact procedure to install and to deinstall h-e-n | 21:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: kernel-feature-automount sounds great, but I guess nobody will get it in tmo | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | yes, but what is it? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should talk to titan about it | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | we need t-tan back | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | ~seen t-tan | 21:36 |
| infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 154d 23h 55m 29s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. | 21:36 |
| cehteh | evening | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | famous last words of a OCer? | 21:37 |
| cehteh | :) | 21:37 |
| cehteh | pizza-oven app | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, heh, was thinking that xD | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | we need a steak cooker | 21:38 |
| cehteh | is power45 safe to install when one hasnt uboot or any other os installed .. but i need the kamera | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: check google for linux automounter | 21:39 |
| RST38h | cehteh: don't joke this way, iPhone has got an app with a huge grill picture where you can control iPhone body temperature | 21:39 |
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| cehteh | i was quite busy past days, didnt followed closely, just seen a lot people with problems | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: uBoot is included in powerk. | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 21:39 |
| cehteh | no idea how its done | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and *should* 'just work' | 21:39 |
| cehteh | well i just want to install it and have my device still working, including camera | 21:40 |
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| cehteh | some people report its broken with the camera launcher app, dunno if that was about .44 or .45 | 21:40 |
| cehteh | soem even report bricked or reboot-looping devices | 21:41 |
| cehteh | (i wish they would be more precise on tmo about which kernel they exactly use) | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, multiboot has the funny idea of reflashing kernels at boot time. Doesn't go well together with uBoot etc. Frankly all usual alternative-kernel installers will break with multiboot | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and especially uBoot and multiboot are mutually exclusive aiui | 21:42 |
| Corsac | hmhm, I think what NITdroid uses works fine here | 21:43 |
| cehteh | fcam, camera-launcher and other apps seem to break somtimes too | 21:43 |
| javispedro | naa nitdroid uses multiboot | 21:43 |
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| MohammadAG | multiboot needs to be rewritten | 21:43 |
| Corsac | I have uboot-pr13 installed, if I use run noloboot and have the keyboard opened, I have the selection dialog shown | 21:43 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Hm, speaking about multiboot, is there an easy way to completly uninstall Android that also removes things like multiboot(+config)? | 21:43 |
| Corsac | (though it won't work since I only have a sdcard with meego atm) | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | how? easy, make it create symlinks for kernel on the card | 21:44 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | As that will stand intact if you just uninstall Android, i guess | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | FredrIQ|n900, sudo nitdroid-uninstaller | 21:44 |
| cehteh | is nitdroid useable as in wireless and 3G works, you can make phone calls and other hardware (gps, camera, ..)? | 21:44 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | Ah, didn't know that existed | 21:45 |
| FredrIQ|n900 | ty | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | think of installing win98 after you got a multiboot setup on your PC. That's what multiboot-n900 does to N900. It messes with booting sequence and doesn't think about conflicting other mechanisms | 21:45 |
| javispedro | hm... installing win98 to an n900. | 21:45 |
| MohammadAG | yay, at least hostmode triggered some development http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65577 :) | 21:46 |
| cehteh | be a real man, install WinME :) | 21:46 |
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| Shapeshifter | I once asked why streaming internet radio over 3g uses so much battery. someone answered, it's because the device has to aknowledge every packet. But streams use UDP, which doesn't need aknowledging... ? | 21:48 |
| cehteh | MohammadAG: there are usb graphic adapters .. anyone with linux drivers? performance sux somewhat but they are limited useful, imagine such a vga adapter, keyboard, mouse .. voila, n900 docking station with a big screen | 21:48 |
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| cehteh | (and no, no one wants the TVout :P) | 21:48 |
| Shapeshifter | or is it the GPRS encapsulation? | 21:48 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: UDP just encapsulates packets, if the application protocol requires response packets then it'll send back. | 21:49 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: application protocol? | 21:50 |
| cehteh | gprs likely acknowledges packets .. in one or another way (windowed?) | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | cehteh, I think javispedro tried a display adapter | 21:50 |
| alterego | what ever protocol is used for data transmission, rdp or wha have you. | 21:50 |
| nox- | moin | 21:50 |
| cehteh | supported by the n900 kernel? | 21:50 |
| javispedro | cehteh: displaylink | 21:51 |
| cehteh | worked? | 21:51 |
| javispedro | cehteh: it's suported with only insanely recent kernels (aka not n900), but there's also a userspace implementation | 21:51 |
| javispedro | cehteh: yes | 21:51 |
| cehteh | cool | 21:51 |
| javispedro | the userspace implementation forwards vnc to displaylink | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31921 it was somewhere here | 21:51 |
| javispedro | (displaylink is actually similar to vnc) | 21:51 |
| javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/usb/displaylink.jpg | 21:52 |
| cehteh | so it eats a lot of bandwidth | 21:52 |
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| javispedro | cehteh: marketing says around 6 devices on usb2.0 | 21:52 |
| cehteh | mean 0.6 devices on n900 :) | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you posted a pic afaik | 21:53 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: linked above already :) | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | nevermind LOL | 21:53 |
| javispedro | cehteh: on that pic I just used x11vnc but you can use plain Xvnc and it drove 1680x1050 just fine | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, yeah, noticed :P | 21:54 |
| cehteh | well running a independent desktop with another resolution there would be nice, doesnt need 2048x1156 ... but 1024x600 or something like that would be cool | 21:54 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, this? http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/usb/xvnc2dlusb.jpg, sorry, I'm nosey :P | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | nosy even | 21:55 |
| timeless_mbp | hey | 21:55 |
| javispedro | you guess :) | 21:55 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: yes :) | 21:55 |
| timeless_mbp | when did youtube get ratings? | 21:55 |
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| * javispedro though he had removed those, hmpf. | 21:55 | |
| * MohammadAG saves | 21:56 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, how much is a displaylink to USB again? :) | 21:58 |
| javispedro | no idea, my monitor has it builtin | 21:58 |
| javispedro | the one you see on the pictures | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, you told me that once | 21:58 |
| javispedro | do not pay more than $20 for it I'd say, but I have no idea. | 21:59 |
| javispedro | tbh it is a useful thing | 21:59 |
| javispedro | I've used it with a broken HP laptop (one of those where the gpu chip goes haywire) | 21:59 |
| javispedro | worked very well | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | $149.95 err | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | o.O | 22:00 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: too much | 22:00 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: ebay says $40 | 22:00 |
| javispedro | or $45 | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a graca plus cpu to drive some USB protocol | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | you said 20 | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 22:01 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I'm like DocScrutinizer, I just see that it is a $1 cpu with a $1 pcb | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this is not one of your bazaars :-P | 22:01 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: of course, consumers prices are another story ;) | 22:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | consumer prices are always what you can ask for it, to maximize your earnings | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm assuming this is what you saw? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310270404996&hlp=false&rvr_id=167810552497&crlp=1_263602_304652&UA=L*F%3F&GUID=85cb9dba12a0a0b3f4360b56ffd6b428&itemid=310270404996&ff4=263602_304652 | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | err, javispedro, sorry DocScrutinizer | 22:02 |
| javispedro | yep | 22:02 |
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| javispedro | also, http://www.displaylink.com/shop/index.php?product=5 ? | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess they are just tunneling sth like AGP thru USB | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even a more highlevel protocol, like VNC or whatever | 22:04 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's a vnc on steroids | 22:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 22:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer muses idly about PCI extenders thru USB | 22:05 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, one question though, how does the N900 handle a higher res? | 22:05 |
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| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop should scale, but what happens to the main screen | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hook up arbitrary PCI cards to your N900 | 22:06 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: well. applications react badly. | 22:06 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: most of them have 800x480 hardcoded somewhere. | 22:06 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: OpenTTD works fine though =) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | liq FTW | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, applications can be fixed :P | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (says an ignorant)= | 22:07 |
| javispedro | closed ones no :P | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm interested in things like the media player (that's probably hardcoded) or gstreamer + movies | 22:07 |
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| javispedro | well... | 22:07 |
| javispedro | with the user space implementation... | 22:07 |
| javispedro | do not expect sane performance. | 22:08 |
| javispedro | for video. | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL mediaplayer | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | was thinking about that :/ | 22:08 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it doesn't resize, I already tried that :P | 22:08 |
| javispedro | udlfb iirc is the name of the inkernel implementation | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | they don't have lists in a layout | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG | and which kernel does that require? 2.6.35? | 22:08 |
| javispedro | might work.. | 22:09 |
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| Arkenoi | unlinstalling lowlight did help | 22:11 |
| Turski | MohammadAG: i finally put your fmtx-module to my n900, it seems to work fine :) | 22:11 |
| BCMM | what does MohammadAG's fmtx-module do? | 22:12 |
| Turski | it's PR1.2 module build with PR1.3 headers, so it allow use of boost | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | reverse's nokia's cruel idiotic power level lock | 22:13 |
| BCMM | oh, boost doesn't work with 1.3? | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: ?? | 22:13 |
| Turski | BCMM: yep | 22:13 |
| BCMM | that would explain things a bit | 22:13 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, it gets locked if you echo into power_level | 22:13 |
| BCMM | can i have it to? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | sometimes, it gets locked to 120, making nokia look retarded | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | if you're on the latest power kernel, t-tan reversed it | 22:14 |
| BCMM | 120 is max power, right? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA | 22:14 |
| BCMM | does power kernel work with fcam? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a nice feature | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | no BCMM | 22:15 |
| kerio | echo 9001 > power_level | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG | kerio, that returns WTF in dmesg | 22:15 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: where in the filesystem does that go? | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: find / -name fmtx-si* | 22:15 |
| Turski | BCMM: that's something you should know when you start to play with kernel | 22:15 |
| Turski | also with -modules | 22:16 |
| BCMM | DocScrutinizer: how do you know i've got findutils installed? | 22:16 |
| BCMM | Turski: woah, you're right - it's just a ko | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ | 22:17 |
| BCMM | i blame being sleepy | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | you don't need findutils, busybox | 22:17 |
| Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, it depends on fcam modules, so i uninstalled it alltogether and rebooted and camera works now | 22:17 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: tell me they really put that easter egg in | 22:18 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: so are there any difference other than reversing the stupid? | 22:18 |
| user | is there a documentation reader not broken or missed in maemo? and please do not tell me to use a browser... | 22:18 |
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| andre41 | user: what is a "documentation reader"? | 22:18 |
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| BCMM | user: are you talking about man? | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, nope, power boost makes a difference here, so I needed it reversed anyways | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | you can use jacekowski's FMTXD | 22:18 |
| user | andre41, BCMM: maemo lacks info, w3m, man system is broken,... i am lost | 22:19 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: "makes a difference here" - are there jurisdictions where it does max power by default? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# busybox find --help | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) multi-call binary | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Usage: find [PATH...] [EXPRESSION] | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? it's just 1.2's source with 1.3's headers | 22:19 |
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| BCMM | i meant, "does the default transmit power vary by region?" | 22:20 |
| BCMM | anyway, the reason i wanted this is because the other day i had trouble making it work in a car, and noticed that boost didn't seem to be doing much | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | tmo-sucks:~# ls -l /usr/bin/find | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Sep 10 18:03 /usr/bin/find -> /bin/busybox | 22:21 |
| user | andre41, BCMM: afaik debian always lacked a proper info reader (info is a unix command to read documentation about programs, like man, but in more depth) | 22:21 |
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| MohammadAG | BCMM, hmm, not sure about that | 22:21 |
| MohammadAG | again, you can use jacekowski's modified fmtxd, it does a better job anyways | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LUSER | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# which find | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/gnu/find | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 | 22:22 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I use gfind | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | couldn't bother about that g* shit | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it starts with G !! >:-P | 22:22 |
| * ShadowJK remembers solaris | 22:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer | like Gnome, Gconf... | 22:23 |
| MohammadAG | so does Germany :P | 22:23 |
| pupnik | anybody near Leicestershire UK? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sucks as well | 22:23 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to rename grep | 22:24 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, feel free to come to IL, just bring your armory with you | 22:24 |
| nidO | pupnik: define near | 22:25 |
| user | /home/user # man man | 22:25 |
| user | pager: applet not found | 22:25 |
| pupnik | do you ever get near Loughborough nidO ? | 22:25 |
| user | gnnnn :( | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | install less | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | install less | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | meh, lag! | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: fix that friggin rdepends! | 22:25 |
| nidO | pupnik: occasionally not too far from it on the way to other places :p | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | though... nah, don't | 22:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it simply depends on $PAGER | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just wonder why $pager -eq less | 22:26 |
| GAN900 | Wee, hooray for extra vigilant TSA agents rummaging through and abusing my camera bag. | 22:26 |
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| frals | airport security eh, gotta love it | 22:27 |
| javispedro | GAN900: you're texting while being security-raped? terrorist! | 22:27 |
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| GAN900 | frals, something like that | 22:27 |
| user | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: thanks, it works now. .deb dependencies broken, as it seems | 22:27 |
| GAN900 | At least I wasn't selected for a body scan. | 22:27 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I'm the only terrorist here | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | user: see my last post | 22:27 |
| frals | helsinki airport the other had turned all their metal detectors to highest sensitivity, there was at least 20 people in a row who had to get the pat down until they changed it again | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually my last 4 posts | 22:28 |
| user | DocScrutinizer: i already tried once to apt-get less, but it didnt work, now it did | 22:29 |
| GAN900 | TSA does "Enhanced Pat Downs" now. | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | user: basically it's up to you as a sysadmin to set proper $PAGER for your users (in this case for yourself) | 22:29 |
| GAN900 | Which includes bra twisting, evidently. | 22:29 |
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| user | DocScrutinizer: yes, thats why i mentioned w3m as alternative pager | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: heh, nice show | 22:30 |
| user | but Package w3m has no installation candidate | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: hehe, too bad if you got tooth fillings | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rivets on your jeans | 22:32 |
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| user | well, a good sysadmin could also write his own pager, the day has 24 hours, and if its not enough, theres also the night :-) | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | or a zip | 22:32 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: yeah, anyone with jeans got stuck :( | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | good thing I didn't go then, would've put the airport into defcon 1 :P | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: you bet, usually they got one metal button | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus metal zip | 22:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: is $PAGER set by mandb-n900 postinst script, in some weird manner? | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or could anybody that got neither mandb nor bash do me a favour and check result of >echo $PAGER< please? | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, empty for me, nevermind | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: is 'less' hardcoded for pager in man-db-n900? | 22:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer hopes coffee will kick in eventually | 22:38 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm, never checked that :P | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please somebody (without mandb less bash) do a >file $(which pager)< for me? | 22:41 |
| user | echo $PAGER gives me empty line, echo $SHELL gives me /bin/sh, though man works now, after apt-get install less | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | user: mandb uses cmd >pager -s< by default | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# file $(which pager) | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/pager: symbolic link to `/etc/alternatives/pager' | 22:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer mumbles "update-alternatives, obfuscated concept" | 22:43 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# file /etc/alternatives/pager | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/alternatives/pager: symbolic link to `/bin/less' | 22:44 |
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| phryk | Hi there | 22:46 |
| phryk | I have problems adding an ical to the calendar. | 22:46 |
| phryk | It tells me it would add 63 events but doesn't even add one. | 22:46 |
| user | mandb gives me tons of error messages about free hanging symbolic links | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | user, ignore them | 22:47 |
| user | ok | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | they should only show up once | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | dangling? | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, those | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | I should use 2> /dev/null | 22:49 |
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| user | maybe its dangling in english error message, i translated from german | 22:51 |
| user | mandb: Warnung: /opt/man/man7/create_role.7.gz ist eine freihängende symbolische Verknüpfung | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: @et al: http://pastebin.com/Dj3KJQUG | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the man pages are from ubuntu | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | so unless I can figure out which are dangling symlinks and rm -f them in one go, I won't fix it manually | 22:54 |
| GAN900 | Boarded! | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | safe trip GAN900 | 22:55 |
| GAN900 | Thanks. | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: don't trigger the self-destruct of plane by IRCing on board | 22:55 |
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| * DocScrutinizer remembers the stuardess getting upset and telling him those devices are forbidden during flight, when he took a photo of that interactive touchscreen integrated into seat backrest. While nearby Chinese happily took pictures of whole family. Maybe was because it's been a Taiwan Airline flying above Easern continent and there's a down-view camera option for those screens :-P | 23:00 | |
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| kerio | i don't get why you're not allowed to use cellphones in airplanes | 23:02 |
| kerio | it's not like they work anyway | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | eastern continent == China mainland, ex USSR, some other quite angry countries | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: that's exactly the point | 23:03 |
| user | yeah, maybe she guessed you planned a DoS by cellphone shockwaves to the sensible board electronics:) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | during take off / landing they tend to blast out max TX which is 2W, and during flight they don't work anyway | 23:04 |
| kerio | so it's not "shut down your phones because they could fuck up the plane" | 23:05 |
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| kerio | it's "shut down your phones because your battery will drain like fuck" | 23:05 |
| kerio | a lot of people would happily follow the second one | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | they *could* during takeoff landing | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but actually all plane electronics are supposed to be hardened against that, so nothing may happen. Otherwise the plane wouldn't pass tests | 23:06 |
| user | Some people get headaches when sitting besides a phone which sends max TX. I am one of these. Its the same in a train which drives into a tunnel. I hate it. | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | so recently some airlines got local femtocells inside their planes, which roam to everybody and charge you a fortune, for relaying your call via sat | 23:07 |
| user | Often, there are several people at once using the phone in one compartment | 23:07 |
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| einsteinchen | an whats the "real" reason why people should turn them off? | 23:07 |
| kerio | "please don't shut down your phones because for each call you pay us lots of $$$" | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | einsteinchen: 'real reason' is general risk management | 23:08 |
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| user | therefore, in some trains, like the TGV, it is not allowed to do phonecalls, the entry area excepted | 23:09 |
| user | TGV++ | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no use in it anyway, so why check if it harms if you as well can forbid it | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as soon as you got a femtocell tranponder on board, it's not useless anymore, and operation conditions are clearly definable. So it's ok then | 23:11 |
| Kegetys | supposedly it can be somehow not so nice to the phone networks below as well, having hundreds of people come and go rapidly from tower to tower | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus you earn a shitload of money from the idiots who dare to use it | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | netsplit? | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: you won't connect to ground towers. they have directional antennae which won't pick up really from 10km altitude | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus airplane is a pretty good faraday cage | 23:14 |
| Kegetys | dunno, a friend of mine who works on gsm networks told me it can cause trouble | 23:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | could | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then, what's with highways o.O | 23:15 |
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| nidO | busses, trains, and cars would be far more of a problem for that, id think | 23:15 |
| Kegetys | places that have alot of traffic have alot of towers | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so a lot more handovers :-P | 23:16 |
| Kegetys | but you can have an A380 with 500 people on board go over a rural area | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | pretty easy, they stay connected (if they were at all) for a prety long time | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: nah, that's nonsense | 23:17 |
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| nidO | still, 10 miles over a rural area. most cells dont stretch 10 miles ground level, let alone straight up, and penetrating an aircraft skin+frame when it gets there | 23:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, as I claimed above. Won't connect | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually, I several times 'forgot' to switch off my cellphone, and visiting logs after flight shows it had not a single BTS in vicinity for whole flight, until ~3min before landing and ~3min after takeoff | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | you *can* connet to ground level BTS from even >30000ft altitude - ask SpeedEvil (iirc). But only from baloons that have a GSM module for telemetry with an antenna free to air, not inside a aluminium tube with 20*20cm 'windows' | 23:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes a note to take a shortwave radio with him on his next flight | 23:25 | |
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| Kegetys | well, at least in the usa the FCC seems to have it forbidden for that reason (in addition to FAA ban), but they also say there's insufficient information to determine wether it really can be harmful or not | 23:32 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, gonna spend 2moro moving to buntu, my only concern is the possible lack of photoshop/CS4! | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, virtual machine? | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG | or gimp | 23:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh.... | 23:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | neither really great | 23:37 |
| nidO | or windoze | 23:37 |
| mikki-kun | uhhh, i read something about hostmode just in the rss-feeds (haven't been following hardly since studies started) so, does it "work"? | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 23:38 |
| infobot | i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 | 23:38 |
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| trumee | mikki-kun: what rss feeds? | 23:38 |
| Noobmonk3y | prod is, linux works fine for geeky coding, not great for all my photography and design.... | 23:38 |
| mikki-kun | of talk.maemo.org | 23:38 |
| Noobmonk3y | might vm it.... | 23:38 |
| trumee | mikki-kun: ah, wasnt aware tmo had rss feeds | 23:39 |
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| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the link | 23:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | rss feeds are great when not spammy!!! | 23:40 |
| mikki-kun | +1 on that | 23:40 |
| trumee | mikki-kun: i dont see an option for rss feed on tmo> | 23:41 |
| mikki-kun | with the web-browser | 23:41 |
| mikki-kun | there you can, when *checking* | 23:41 |
| BCMM | Noobmonk3y: adobe? | 23:42 |
| trumee | ah, firefox on desktop is giving me an option in url input gox "Subscribe to this webpage...". Hope this is in microb as well | 23:42 |
| mikki-kun | when not in fullscreen, press on the plus-button in the lower bar (left of the address-input) and voila, there you can subscribe to the feed | 23:42 |
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| BCMM | trumee: yeah, i think you get at that through the bookmark button | 23:43 |
| BCMM | trumee: y'know, the one with the "+" icon | 23:43 |
| BCMM | Noobmonk3y: how much of Photoshop do you use? | 23:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 23:43 |
| trumee | BCMM, mikki-kun: thanks | 23:43 |
| andax | Noobmonk3y: i got corel draw for linux but it doesnt work on todays linux versions, like kylix. I still have no GPL replacement for it. | 23:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | bcmm every day | 23:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | and alot | 23:44 |
| BCMM | Noobmonk3y: i mean, feature set | 23:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | i do hdr photography etc | 23:44 |
| lcuk | use n900 :) | 23:44 |
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| BCMM | GIMP can be used for some HDR methods | 23:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | lolloo, nice start not good enough quality | 23:44 |
| lcuk | BCMM, he already tried wearing a gimp mask whilst using photoshop | 23:45 |
| andax | Noobmonk3y: i think because the tighter release cycles of linux, some sophisticated and important software projects stick wit microsoft or mac | 23:45 |
| BCMM | eh? what do release cycles have to do with it? | 23:45 |
| BCMM | they go for the larger targets | 23:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, lol to this, i ust got a 50+ line msg on tmo, starting with "as you are an active developer, i wonder if you could help design".... lol!! | 23:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | i agree andax | 23:46 |
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| BCMM | and i get the impression that some people target OS X and iOS because their users are probably prepared to pay over the odds for stuff | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: answer "diapering? burping? what else?" | 23:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | windows may notg be great at anything, but it does eveything except deb compiling, hehehe | 23:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol doc! | 23:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | he wants some gps tool, but he's not a tmo noob, so impressed with the tmo message effort! | 23:47 |
| andax | BCMM: i would prefer to make my software once and it works for years, but linux releases all software multiple times a year. Many have no fancy to keep their software current in such manner | 23:47 |
| BCMM | actually, what do you guys use for processing HDR shot in fcamera? qtpfsgui seems to get them wrong, mostly because the EVs are out of it's range, and i can get a nice effect with masks in GIMP (oh dear), but it's sorta cheating | 23:47 |
| BCMM | andax: that's wrong in some subtle ways | 23:47 |
| BCMM | also, some obvious ones | 23:47 |
| lcuk | andax, huh? | 23:47 |
| marmoute | andax: "linux releases all software multiple times a year" | 23:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | bcmm, photomatix tbh | 23:48 |
| marmoute | linux doesn't release any software | 23:48 |
| marmoute | Have you ever heard of Debian Stable ? | 23:48 |
| mikki-kun | linux itself is the kernel only | 23:48 |
| * ShadowJK is still using Fedora Core 10 :-) | 23:48 | |
| lcuk | make gimp work *well* in existing windows environment and not require massive retrainging | 23:48 |
| lcuk | is the issue | 23:48 |
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| mikki-kun | gnu/linux is what is built arounf the kernel and i guess andax refers to that | 23:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | well, prob gonna vm ubuntu i feel | 23:48 |
| lcuk | its got sod all to do with release cycles | 23:48 |
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| BCMM | andax: also, that still isn't correct even if you mean linux distros | 23:48 |
| BCMM | regular updates come out, yes | 23:49 |
| mikki-kun | but imho, if those changes are needed and helping in having a better system then it is the correct way to do imo | 23:49 |
| BCMM | you are probably talking about Ubuntu's release cycle or something | 23:49 |
| lcuk | regular updates for many apps come out | 23:49 |
| BCMM | you should note that it doesn't involve every single package being updated | 23:49 |
| marmoute | BCMM: forget it. security fix is for hype nerd only. | 23:50 |
| mikki-kun | some distros don't even have release cycles as gentoo or arch... they are rolling releases and the user decides "do i want this package?" | 23:50 |
| andax | marmoute: so, why then do some libs and .so files and whatsoever no longer fit to applicationsets like corel draw, kylix et cetera? why arent there at least sources for php4? | 23:50 |
| BCMM | marmoute: what does that mean, and how does it relate to what i said? | 23:50 |
| BCMM | updates happen; the difference on windows is that you don't get them automatically in a unified way | 23:50 |
| BCMM | and for big applications, you probably don't get them, unless you pay | 23:50 |
| andax | in every release some stuff gets lost | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | patch tuesday | 23:50 |
| lcuk | or whatever it is | 23:51 |
| BCMM | andax: why would you run php4? | 23:51 |
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| BCMM | andax: can you buy windows 98? | 23:51 |
| andax | and if you dont update, youre the bitched when you have problems to solve, can hear thousand times, have you rwecent cversion? no? we cant help you | 23:51 |
| lcuk | me goes and sleeps before #meego conf | 23:52 |
| mikki-kun | i must admit since moving to gentoo i have had very few problems with libraries as i built everything from source... and it works fantastic... if i rebuilt some lib and a program is complaining, fine, i will rebuild the program and i have it working with the currently active libraries | 23:52 |
| marmoute | andax: go use Debian stable or any other stable distribution. | 23:52 |
| andax | BCMM: because there are lots of PHP4 books in my shelf and i wether have no fancy for experiments nor for buying new books | 23:52 |
| BCMM | andax: well, your PHP4 will largely still work | 23:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer thinks the common notion of "release" here is along what Nokia does for maemo. That's basically odd and broken though. And not related to app development in general at all | 23:53 | |
| BCMM | andax: anyway, are you saying that commercial software is mostly "install and leave alone for years"? | 23:53 |
| pupnik | teach kids about mathematics and exponential powers of 2 by making candy! [ Dragon Beard Candy secret recipe ] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm1ldQ93BFM | 23:54 |
| BCMM | the first thing they'll do if you complain about commercial software is ask if you've installed the latest updates | 23:54 |
| BCMM | the second thing they'll do is ask you to pay for the next major update | 23:54 |
| lcuk | BCMM, oldversions.com exists for a reason. | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: which reason exactly? | 23:55 |
| trumee | anybody used Queen Beecon Widget? I would like to start my shell script (which triggers pptp) QBW and kill it as well. Is that possible? | 23:55 |
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| andax | BCMM, well, some updates are meaningful, but i believe linux degenertes more than it makes progress these days | 23:56 |
| BCMM | trumee: i use it, but i don't understand your question | 23:56 |
| andax | *degenerates | 23:56 |
| BCMM | andax: do you mean linux (the kernel), or your distro? | 23:56 |
| trumee | BCMM: i want to start a shell script and send a Ctrl+C to it when i want to stop. | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: so what? | 23:56 |
| BCMM | trumee: why not just do killall script instead? | 23:57 |
| BCMM | trumee: from queen beecon, obv. | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | ctrl-C == killall <yourscript> | 23:57 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: dont want to use xterm everytime to start my script. | 23:57 |
| BCMM | trumee: you can run killall something from queen beecon, just like you run your script | 23:57 |
| trumee | BCMM: i have zero experience with QBW (dont even have it installed). | 23:57 |
| BCMM | oh, i see | 23:57 |
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| BCMM | well, one thing it can do is make nice little desktop widgets that execute arbitrary commands | 23:58 |
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| BCMM | like "sh myscript" and "killall myscript" | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: the problem seems more like you have not much experience with scripting | 23:58 |
| trumee | BCMM:yes, that is exactly what i need. | 23:58 |
| BCMM | well, i can recommend it | 23:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | is it me or does xchat eat the n900's battery!! | 23:58 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer: plenty of scripts here, sir. | 23:59 |
| BCMM | Noobmonk3y: are you using GPRS? | 23:59 |
| andax | BCMM: both, last time compiling my own kernel was a pain, needed to set dozens of options which i thought do not belong to kernel stuff anyway | 23:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup...., well 3.5g | 23:59 |
| trumee | BCMM: going to give it a go then. cheers | 23:59 |
| andax | BCMM: i really have nicer uses for my time | 23:59 |
| BCMM | andax: it doesn't sound like you're the sort of person who should be compiling their own kernel | 23:59 |
| BCMM | andax: it's pretty much optional on any sensible distro | 23:59 |
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