IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-11-14

BCMM	andax: but i'm interested as to what you thought didn't belong at kernel level	00:00
* ShadowJK is still using Fedora Core 10, and the default kernel, which is older than Maemo 5's kernel :-)		00:00
BCMM	i have a nice little setup with queen beecon	00:00
BCMM	i have a desktop widget that when tapped, unlocks my desktop's screen	00:01
DocScrutinizer	trumee: well then, pick one of your scripts that is using a file called /var/run/<yourshellscriptname>.pid	00:01
BCMM	(using passwordless SSH keys)	00:01
BCMM	(and dbus)	00:01
DocScrutinizer	trumee: see how that shellscript is using this special file	00:01
DocScrutinizer	trumee: ...profit	00:02
Noobmonk3y	meh logging off, battery goooooooooing	00:03
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andax	BCMM: sorting out stuff like support for particular usb devices supported in kernel, to mention one auch option. And on the other hand i did never understand why i have to rebuild a kernel to get things like parallel port zip drive working.	00:05
andax	Of course, someone can rarely make it right for everyone.	00:05
DocScrutinizer	trumee: for simple things you'll get away with a simple killall. If you however want to avoid multiple instances of your script getting started accidentally by multi-clicking QB, you will want to have a look at <procname>.pid scheme	00:05
BCMM	andax: how is hardware support not a kernel thing?	00:05
* BCMM installs System V on DocScrutinizer's N900		00:06
johnx	(though most sane distros just build every kernel option possible as a module)	00:06
mikki-kun	i can't understand why you thought just activating those parameters were "enough"	00:07
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: are you nuts?	00:07
BCMM	johnx: usually leaving out some of the debugging stuff	00:07
kerio	DocScrutinizer: no, he's BCMM	00:07
kerio	it says so right there	00:07
trumee	DocScrutinizer: thanks	00:07
mikki-kun	you gotta built the kernel, put it into /boot or wherever, tell grub where it lies and have it boot from there	00:07
DocScrutinizer	trumee: yw	00:07
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: sorry, it was a relatively obscure killall-related joke	00:07
BCMM	any solaris users in here?	00:08
mikki-kun	the kernel is the most crucial part of your system...	00:08
mikki-kun	if that breaks nothing will work properly	00:08
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: (solaris) 10 years ago, yes	00:08
DocScrutinizer	when they renamed it from SunOS	00:08
BCMM	well, i'm sure you know what killall does to system V boxen then	00:08
ShadowJK	Solaris too	00:08
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BCMM	but maemo's userland is almost, but not quite, than odd	00:09
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: not the slightest idea what you're talkingh about	00:09
BCMM	heh	00:09
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: on solaris, killall kills every process your user can kill	00:09
DocScrutinizer	insane	00:09
andax	BCIMM: hardware support of external devices? This would b getting an eternal task to get a pocket calculator. I am not Sisyphos	00:09
crashanddie	BCMM, DocScrutinizer: more specifically, killall on some unices is a shutdown script	00:10
DocScrutinizer	but I got a sysV based system here	00:10
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DocScrutinizer	and it has a nice killall <processname>	00:10
BCMM	hah, i just read teh killall5 man page	00:10
BCMM	i love the way they've actually defined its exit status	00:10
BCMM	andax: what does the external-ness of a device have to do with it?	00:11
BCMM	andax: drivers are part of the kernel	00:11
DocScrutinizer	according to KILLALL (1) the name parameter is mandatory and no wildcards allowed	00:11
DocScrutinizer	and it has been like that for at least 5 years now, on linux	00:12
trumee	hmm. how do i kill root pid as a user.	00:13
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trumee	my script called vpn.sh has in it "sudo /home/user/scripts/npv.sh"	00:14
BCMM	trumee: you can execute anything with sudo?	00:15
andax	BCMM: maybe there are tools available for building kernels which are nicer to use, but when you have to decide all possible options already when building the kernel and you have to check these incredibly long lists, you wish that at least external stuff would remain external from the kernel too.	00:15
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: well, I see, linux isn't really a sysV system anymore, it seems	00:15
BCMM	andax: sorry, that doesn't make any sense	00:15
BCMM	andax: whether stuff is in the case or not is not important	00:15
trumee	BCMM: ah. i am being thick. thanks.	00:15
BCMM	andax: for example, many laptops have some USB hardware built-in	00:16
BCMM	andax: and some machines have external SATA drives	00:16
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: your script needs a kill parameter, to call same script to kill its own prior instance	00:16
mikki-kun	andax: in doubt, enable all as modules =p	00:17
DocScrutinizer	it's the only proper way to handle that	00:17
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i will use another script to kill the first one :D	00:17
DocScrutinizer	then you need to deal with two entries in sudoers etc	00:17
trumee	DocScrutinizer: yup.	00:18
DocScrutinizer	actually you shouldn't even need to call your script with sudo, your script itself should gain root by calling itself via sudo	00:18
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: yes, a typical linux system has "killall" kill a named process, and killall5 do the crazy thing	00:19
DocScrutinizer	trumee: even more script experience here, sir? ;-D	00:19
internetishard	You guys know of any good productivity apps for maemo?	00:19
trumee	DocScrutinizer: :)	00:20
BCMM	internetishard: what are productivity apps? office stuff?	00:21
internetishard	http://www.dragosroua.com/iadd-for-iphone-ipad/ like this	00:21
BCMM	oh, i see	00:22
BCMM	usually "productivity suite" is a silly word for "office suite£	00:22
BCMM	hah, that page is hilarious! it starts off like some kind of self-help guy	00:23
andax	BCMM: internal USB hardware, sounds awful to me but okay, though i dont get the point why a kernel developer has to decide if some special eechy & scratchy™ USB hardware should be supported or not. This is like going to starbucks when you wanted a glass of water	00:24
andax	it would end up in a satiric comedy	00:25
BCMM	andax: it is possible to implement drivers outside of the kernel tree you know	00:25
BCMM	andax: but the drivers that are developed by the kernel team live in the kernel sources	00:25
DocScrutinizer	andax: unix has kernel modules for all that	00:25
BCMM	andax: it's not a matter of "deciding if it should be supported", it has to actually be implemented	00:26
BCMM	andax: and there are some kernel developers who are good at that and like doing that	00:26
DocScrutinizer	you can load arbitrary kernel modules any time, and you also can build new ones for existing kernels	00:26
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internetishard	So, know of any apps like that?	00:27
DocScrutinizer	OOo	00:27
DocScrutinizer	?	00:27
BCMM	there are certain advantages; for example, if a kernel dev working on a drivers finds the kernel's USB subsystem lacking in some respect, they can fix that, and release their driver along with the fixed USB subsystem in the next kernel release	00:27
BCMM	there are also plenty of modules that are developed outside of the kernel sources too	00:27
internetishard	not office-like, I know "productivity" may be confusing terminology	00:27
BCMM	also, sometimes you want certain odd things to be part of the kernel proper (not a module)	00:28
DocScrutinizer	BCMM: they don't have to wait for next kernel release	00:28
BCMM	e.g. booting with a USB root partition	00:28
ShadowJK	BCMM, iirc at one point kernel devs offered to any manufacturer that they'd write drivers for their hw :-)	00:28
BCMM	DocScrutinizer: i meant to modify a part of the kernel, not just to modify the driver	00:28
DocScrutinizer	yep, which nites h-e-n's ass	00:28
DocScrutinizer	bites*	00:28
ShadowJK	so that it's supported out of box everywhere	00:28
ShadowJK	(for free)	00:28
BCMM	andax: basically, on of the things which the kernel team does is make linux work on various hardware	00:29
andax	DocScrutinizer: modules help reducing the tedious task of selecting, though, the things you need at boot should not be modules, so you cannot go along without making decisions at all.	00:29
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: let me guess what's been the result of all that :-P	00:29
ShadowJK	not much	00:29
ShadowJK	:P	00:29
DocScrutinizer	andax: so what?	00:29
DocScrutinizer	that's kinda plain obvous (modulo initrd)	00:30
BCMM	andax: so default to building it all as modules, then go through and fix the very few things you need for boot	00:30
BCMM	that is, your disk controller and your filesystem, basically	00:30
BCMM	on some setups, your graphics adaptor too	00:30
ShadowJK	I thought it automatically "fixed things you need for boot"	00:31
BCMM	eh?	00:31
BCMM	the kernel build system doesn't know whether you have a USB root partition or not	00:31
DocScrutinizer	.configure	00:31
BCMM	anyway, night	00:31
ShadowJK	no but the thing that makes the initrd	00:31
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DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: makeinitrd is a bitch and recently acting up for me another time	00:33
DocScrutinizer	a mega PITA	00:33
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DocScrutinizer	but yes, aiui it should handle all that stuff automatically - if only it did reliably :-(	00:34
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DocScrutinizer	latest kernel update broke my booting process once more, OpenSusue	00:34
DocScrutinizer	initrd missing some sata driver shit	00:35
jacekowski	linux ftw	00:35
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andax	i created that kernel with menuconfig according the gentoo manual	00:35
jacekowski	it would be so nice if somebody would decide to create stable driver abi/api	00:35
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andax	DocScrutinizer: that sata driver problem *nnoyed me too	00:36
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mikki-kun	hm... i have modules disabled on my kernel... i kinda think it makes the system more solid	00:37
andax	on that box i have installed the os on a usb stick now and load the sata driver afterwards. not a great solution but one that works	00:37
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andax	mikki-kun: as long as you do not miss a module :)	00:43
mikki-kun	andax: takes some time finding all the modules, but once you have them you can be sure it does everything you want and nothing you don't want :)	00:44
Funnyface	has anyone ever had any luck trying to connect to the internet over bluetooth with the N900 on windows?	00:44
Funnyface	I think I had it working once, after fiddling with it for a long time, and ever since that I haven't had it working	00:44
korhojoa	you should have stopped fiddling with it when it worked	00:45
mikki-kun	hm... why am i just thinking "windows with _blue_tooth... results in _blue_ screen on death..." x)	00:45
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Funnyface	it was the fiddling that got it working, and I didn't change anything until it didn't work.	00:46
Funnyface	on my vista PC, it adds lots of bluetooth devices in my device manager, which get an error and can't start, I can't remember the exact names now	00:46
korhojoa	then you should have fiddled some more!	00:46
andax	mikki-kun: as long as it finds all needed modules by itself it is nice, but if one is missing or not functioning, it can cost you a lot of time to get your system into a working condition	00:46
Funnyface	and on this win7 PC, it doesn't seem to install those devices at all	00:46
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I need some help with part identification	00:47
DocScrutinizer	shoot	00:47
mikki-kun	andax: or just spend more time reading what every parameter does and if something isn't working, search online	00:47
MohammadAG	take out the battery cover, what's the part under the volume rocker/above the camera lens?	00:47
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DocScrutinizer	the LEDs?	00:47
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DocScrutinizer	or that plastic shit?	00:48
mikki-kun	well, i can only see some LEDs there (two)	00:49
MohammadAG	hmm	00:49
MohammadAG	I think my GPS antenna is broken	00:49
mikki-kun	http://natisbad.org/N900/img/n900-back-opened-scaled.png	00:49
DocScrutinizer	http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-gps-antenna-assembly-264805	00:49
MohammadAG	plastic shit above the lens DocScrutinizer	00:50
DocScrutinizer	^^^	00:50
DocScrutinizer	this one?	00:50
MohammadAG	yeah, that's the one	00:50
DocScrutinizer	:-/	00:50
* MohammadAG takes a pic of what it looks like		00:50
mikki-kun	that's the gps-antenna?	00:50
DocScrutinizer	well, it says so, no?	00:51
mikki-kun	i've never thought it would look like this	00:51
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cehteh	did you expected a parabolic dish?	00:51
DocScrutinizer	lol	00:51
DocScrutinizer	cehteh: thanks :-)	00:52
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cehteh	:)	00:52
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mikki-kun	cehteh: tbh i thought i'd have somewhere some wlan-cord which is attached to some sattelites coming out from my n900	00:52
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cehteh	well .. to be an ultimate geek device, the n900 lacks some antenna connectors yes	00:53
cehteh	wlan at least	00:53
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timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: so, other than complaining about your desktop platform sucking, did you have comments?	00:54
DocScrutinizer	it has, it's just missing the holes to access them :-P	00:54
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, do you know how to disassemble that thing?	00:54
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: yeah, get a beer man!	00:54
cehteh	yeah i meant accessiible ones which are speced for more than 10 connection cycles :P	00:54
MohammadAG	I have a feeling that small part of plastic between the power and volume buttons will snap	00:55
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: i'm not in Ireland for a few more hours :)	00:55
mikki-kun	MohammadAG: i saw somewhere a video of a dissasembly of the n900	00:55
timeless_mbp	(and i don't drink)	00:55
mikki-kun	searching	00:55
MohammadAG	mikki-kun, tehkseven, with all respect to john, I'd trust an engineer more :P	00:55
mikki-kun	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVEHm325-z8	00:55
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: no reason to threat others with riddles	00:55
mikki-kun	well, it gives you the basics :)	00:55
timeless_mbp	?	00:56
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, (damn it looks dusty in an 8MP cam...) http://i53.tinypic.com/f3rvpu.jpg	00:56
cehteh	MohammadAG: at least he managed to reassemble the device :)	00:56
mikki-kun	MohammadAG: you could try with google-maps to see of it finds your position	00:56
mikki-kun	funnily mine works with google.com/maps/m extremely good	00:57
MohammadAG	GPS isn't a priority here, I can get that fixed, I just want my battery cover to close properly lol	00:57
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: didn't you mention your slide was loose or broken or sth?	00:57
mikki-kun	btw, how did you manage to get that done?! Ö.ö	00:58
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, that's not cause of the slider	00:58
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I dropped my N900 on gravel the other day	00:58
mikki-kun	ouch >.<	00:58
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: the screw in the corner is holding the slider though, as well as GPS ant	00:58
MohammadAG	indeed, only one tiny minor scratch	00:58
MohammadAG	oh fuck	00:58
MohammadAG	hmm	00:59
MohammadAG	broken screw maybe?	00:59
DocScrutinizer	maybe	00:59
DocScrutinizer	disassemble	00:59
MohammadAG	hmm	00:59
DocScrutinizer	inspect parts	00:59
MohammadAG	the screw is actually not holding the GPS antenna	00:59
MohammadAG	(!)	00:59
MohammadAG	it's under it!	00:59
DocScrutinizer	reassemble and check everything fits nicely	00:59
MohammadAG	how do I remove the antenna?	01:00
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DocScrutinizer	:-/	01:00
DocScrutinizer	nfc	01:00
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DocScrutinizer	actually I think it does	01:00
DocScrutinizer	watch that URL I posted closely	01:01
DocScrutinizer	you see a hole where the screw goes through	01:01
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MohammadAG	sent the pic in PM, since my IMEI is sorta visible	01:02
Termana_	good morning	01:02
MohammadAG	that's the part I'm worried about	01:02
mikki-kun	MohammadAG: put your battery in an your imei is covered ;)	01:03
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MohammadAG	mikki-kun, N86 isn't the fastest camera on the market :P	01:03
Termana_	Strange, for some reason everytime I'm forced to release the services enforcer on my nickname	01:03
Termana_	everytime I log on*	01:04
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MohammadAG	#freenode :)	01:04
mikki-kun	N86 is the best though x)	01:04
cehteh	http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/62a87ee8ef.jpg .. wahaha ... that looks so dangerous :)	01:04
MohammadAG	if only it shoots macro video	01:04
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cehteh	seen too much etherkillers	01:05
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mikki-kun	what the heck?!	01:05
mikki-kun	what is that?! Ö.ö	01:05
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mikki-kun	and is the end of the mini-b really toasted?	01:06
cehteh	just an Y adapter and a power supply .. but well it doesnt look sane	01:07
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mikki-kun	but the mini looks kinda odd-colored	01:08
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andax	mikki-kun: searching the web for a solution for recent solutions is sometimes a gamble. And "someone" has to provide the solution first.	01:18
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andax	-"for a solution"	01:18
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mikki-kun	that's what IRC is then for ;)	01:21
mikki-kun	if the web doesn't tell me	01:22
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andax	Yes. irc is quick and you see who is online and active. Usenet is also quick. It is somehow between irc and email but more complicated to use.	01:30
andax	And many web users do not even know of its existence or believe it is a invention of google aka google groups :)	01:31
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DocScrutinizer	Termana: screw services enforcer. It's actually a weird idea/concept	01:32
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DocScrutinizer	Termana: I promise I'll check if any Termana user is actually registered and identified, prior to give him chan-op or whatever	01:36
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MohammadAG	LOL DocScrutinizer	01:38
MohammadAG	if I had chan-op, I wouldn't check if Termana was id'd, I'd kick him anyways :P	01:38
DocScrutinizer	:-P	01:39
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Termana	good morning DocScrutinizer	01:40
Termana	MohammadAG, :P I'll pretend I didn't hear that	01:40
MohammadAG	Termana, you heard it though :P	01:41
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* MohammadAG wonders if there is a way to check partition type before mounting		01:55
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timeless_mbp	Termana: i gave you a link earlier, could you look at it?	01:58
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: none I know of	02:00
DocScrutinizer	except of actual partition-type byte in partition table	02:00
DocScrutinizer	as of *fdisk	02:00
jacekowski	MohammadAG: on linux?	02:01
MohammadAG	meh, I'll let the user figure out shit thne	02:01
MohammadAG	then*	02:01
MohammadAG	or I could modprobe isofs and ntfs at h-e-n launch	02:01
MohammadAG	jacekowski, yes	02:01
jacekowski	jacekowski:~# blkid /dev/md1	02:01
jacekowski	/dev/md1: UUID="42c17aec-3731-4eab-9d06-d9987ddf3fd6" TYPE="reiserfs"	02:01
pronto	woah people still using reiserfs?	02:02
DocScrutinizer	:-) nice	02:02
jacekowski	pronto: there are no better alternatives	02:02
jacekowski	you have old slow ext3	02:02
jacekowski	delayed /dev/null ext4	02:02
jacekowski	fragmenting like a fuck xfs	02:02
luke-jr	ext3 is fast enough for me	02:02
luke-jr	but using a journalled fs on MMC/SD is stupid	02:02
pronto	well at least you have decent enough reasons to be using it xD	02:03
luke-jr	the only real options are ext2 and ext4	02:03
MohammadAG	hmm, awk/cut experts, how do I get only the partition type?	02:03
jacekowski	luke-jr: ext3 in non journaled mode	02:03
MohammadAG	/dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat"	02:03
luke-jr	jacekowski: ext3 in non-journaled mode = ext2	02:03
luke-jr	MohammadAG: perl -nle 'm/TYPE="(\w+)"/&&print $1'	02:04
DocScrutinizer	sed s/.TYPE=\"(.)\"/$1/	02:04
MohammadAG	awk, not perl	02:04
jacekowski	don't do it in perl	02:05
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: that will fail on a trivial input change	02:05
luke-jr	Perl owns u	02:05
jacekowski	blkid /dev/md1 \| awk -F\ '{ print $3 }'	02:05
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: how's that any worse than your perl hax0ring?	02:05
MohammadAG	jacekowski, sometimes, it's not $3	02:05
luke-jr	fstype="$(eval "$(cut -d' ' -f 2- <<<"$yourcrap")" && echo $TYPE)"	02:06
jacekowski	MohammadAG: then	02:06
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: my Perl will work 100% of the time	02:06
MohammadAG	/dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat"	02:06
MohammadAG	/dev/mmcblk0p2: UUID="25c470a5-32b9-4e84-b017-5fdb10b2e209" TYPE="ext3"	02:06
MohammadAG	/dev/mmcblk0p3: TYPE="swap"	02:06
DocScrutinizer	unless TYPE= is missing	02:06
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: even if it is	02:06
MohammadAG	luke-jr, except when a user doesn't have perl	02:06
* GAN900 is in PHI if anybody else is here.		02:06
jacekowski	for i in `blkid /dev/md1 \| gawk -F: '{ print $2 }'`; do export $i;done ; echo $TYPE	02:06
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DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: UHUH	02:07
jacekowski	but that's nasty	02:07
jacekowski	and i never wrote that	02:07
luke-jr	someone pastebin blkid --help for me	02:07
MohammadAG	no gawk by default on the N900	02:07
jacekowski	/bin/sh: blkid: command not found	02:07
jacekowski	You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.	02:07
jacekowski	ehh	02:07
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:~# blkid -s TYPE /dev/mmcblk0p1	02:08
jacekowski	http://pastebin.com/PZnTE9w2	02:08
MohammadAG	/dev/mmcblk0p1: TYPE="vfat"	02:08
MohammadAG	meh	02:08
jacekowski	here it is	02:08
timeless_mbp	GAN900: !	02:08
luke-jr	blkid -s TYPE -o value /dev/mmcblk0p1	02:09
luke-jr	?	02:10
jacekowski	hmm	02:10
jacekowski	just check one thing	02:10
MohammadAG	luke-jr, see up	02:10
jacekowski	will it show unknown filesystem	02:10
luke-jr	MohammadAG: see what up?	02:10
MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# blkid -s TYPE /dev/mmcblk0p1	02:10
MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p1: TYPE="vfat"	02:10
luke-jr	MohammadAG: not the same	02:10
MohammadAG	ah, thanks	02:11
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MohammadAG	so, what does it show for ntfs and isofs?	02:12
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DocScrutinizer	who knows	02:15
DocScrutinizer	no blkid on my x86 box	02:16
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jacekowski	it's root only program	02:16
jacekowski	from /sbin	02:16
fcrochik	GAN900: ping	02:16
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: briefly. There were a couple of things. Can you pm me the link and ill quickly skim over it to see what I was going to say to you	02:21
timeless_mbp	sure	02:21
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: bare with me doing multiple things so typing slow. The first thing I though was that you should move the meego conference logo on the initial slide. It looks strange where it is. Possibly put it at the top and the devices in order down the bottom	02:24
TermanaDesire	Thought. *	02:24
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: "what's a till roll" saying "what is a till roll" would be better. Potentially capitalize IS to place more emphasis on that	02:30
timeless_mbp	so, someone just told me about official slide templates	02:30
timeless_mbp	so right now i'm taking the art from the initial slide, making it transparent, and adding it to the template :(	02:31
timeless_mbp	this isn't "fast"	02:31
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: please kick me!	02:31
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: also that slide should actually show the menu item otherwise it will confuse people what you're talking about	02:32
DocScrutinizer	/dev/sda3: UUID="785632A756326652" LABEL="Data" TYPE="ntfs"	02:32
timeless_mbp	ok	02:32
* jacekowski slaps DocScrutinizer		02:32
timeless_mbp	TermanaDesire: sadly the n8x0 view was "better" in that you could see the till roll and the menu a the same time	02:33
timeless_mbp	the n900 theme + menu behavior sucks for this :)	02:33
timeless_mbp	but yeah, i can switch that	02:33
andax	luke-jr: not to forget jfs is in many cases more efficient than ext3 ext4	02:35
internetishard	where is the conf file for ntp? I'd like to see how it was setup	02:36
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andax	luke-jr: "JFS journals metadata only, which means that metadata will remain consistent but user files may be corrupted after a crash or power loss. JFS' journaling is similar to XFS where it only journals parts of the inode." (wikipedia)	02:41
DocScrutinizer	halley:/etc # blkid /dev/sr0	02:43
DocScrutinizer	/dev/sr0: LABEL="SGH-i900" TYPE="iso9660"	02:43
DocScrutinizer	doesn't show up in <default> all devices list of blkid w/o parameters	02:43
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: where you talk about in the slides about "your" and "me and my" it might be handy to circle those bitsin some way so they stand out. But since you'll be talking with the slides this isn't entirely necessary	02:44
timeless_mbp	TermanaDesire: there's a slide where i blow them up	02:44
timeless_mbp	but i can circle them as i did in earlier slides	02:44
timeless_mbp	TermanaDesire: should i circle on the original slide	02:46
timeless_mbp	or only the blow up slide?	02:46
* timeless_mbp tries circling on the blow up slide		02:46
TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: I think both bit if you only do it on one do it on the small one	02:47
TermanaDesire	But *	02:47
timeless_mbp	ok, i've circled it on the first slide	02:48
timeless_mbp	the slides should be relatively live	02:48
timeless_mbp	so if you go back, hopefully you see the updates	02:48
andax	jacekowski: ext3 in non-journaled mode = (afaik) ext2	02:49
jacekowski	andax: not exactly	02:49
TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: on history / navigation there's a slight spelling error. It reads "can the content seen by anyone" it should say "can the content be seen by anyone" (add the be)	02:49
jacekowski	andax: journall is still there and can be used	02:50
timeless_mbp	TermanaDesire: got a slide number?	02:50
timeless_mbp	34?	02:50
timeless_mbp	got it	02:50
jacekowski	andax: or in writeback mode	02:51
jacekowski	andax: where journal is almost unused	02:51
andax	jacekowski: that may be, but i did read to make a ext3 from a ext2 you only add the journal thingie, or remove it to make a ext2 from a ext3	02:52
andax	i never did it, though :)	02:53
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: yep 34 sorry for slowness ;p	02:57
timeless_mbp	no problem	02:57
sp3000	the what message?	03:01
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TermanaDesire	On 42 for the dot point "ask people..." there's a couple of things - first there's a spelling error "it fails aks" should be asks, second there should be a - instead of a comma between translations and when and third, I hope you plan to talk about what you mean by round tripping translations (eg. Round trip them to a set of people or what?) Since the text doesn't really explain exactly what you meant there	03:03
timeless_mbp	TermanaDesire: actually it should be "ask" not "asks", but thanks for catching the transposition :)	03:06
timeless_mbp	hrm, yeah, i'll have to explain that	03:06
timeless_mbp	is it better to use "Telephone" to describe that?	03:07
timeless_mbp	rewritten, but the problem is that it's too long	03:08
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: I think its fine what's written as long as you just give a short explaination about what you mean while talking	03:10
timeless_mbp	hrm, it's already changed :(	03:10
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timeless_mbp	bullet points should really be bullets	03:10
timeless_mbp	i'll have to explain them anyway	03:11
timeless_mbp	]	03:11
* timeless_mbp stares at the meego template		03:11
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TermanaDesire	timeless_mbp: other than removing the slides that say they need to be removed in big letters (;p) everything else looks fine to me. Hopefully I helped in some form :)	03:13
timeless_mbp	you did	03:13
timeless_mbp	thanks	03:14
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* timeless_mbp ponders		03:17
timeless_mbp	so um	03:17
timeless_mbp	how do i replace a slide deck?	03:18
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Gh0sty	hmm I just got problems with my camera but there was also an update for the power kernel	04:42
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Gh0sty	seems to have fixed it but when I reboot the n900 now I get a u-boot console	04:42
Gh0sty	saying something like mmc0:3 is invalid	04:42
Gh0sty	filesystem corrupt?	04:43
TermanaDesire	Gh0sty: take out your SD card and boot	04:44
TermanaDesire	Gh0sty: put it back in when it finishes booting	04:45
Gh0sty	what should that do?	04:46
TermanaDesire	Gh0sty: make it boot	04:46
TermanaDesire	Gh0sty: its trying to find a kernel and boot it on your SD card. Removing it means it wont try and do that	04:47
Gh0sty	it boots alright	04:47
Gh0sty	even with the SD card	04:47
Gh0sty	it's just that the U-boot screen is new	04:47
Gh0sty	before it happened without the U-boot	04:47
TermanaDesire	Gh0sty: right u-boot was integrated with the new power kernel	04:48
TermanaDesire	Its suppose to happen	04:48
Gh0sty	aah ok	04:48
Gh0sty	yes that explains something	04:49
Gh0sty	the error I see is not a problem, its just trying to find another kernel on SD card like the meego videos showed :)	04:49
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Gh0sty	but anyway the power kernel from yesterday or the day before was pretty bad	04:50
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TermanaDesire	I think someone has assassinated everyone in close association with maemo/meego. Not a peep	06:02
TermanaDesire	;p	06:02
TermanaDesire	I killed them all with my bare hands	06:03
DocScrutinizer	come over, eat my MTHEL	06:04
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luke-jr	andax: so?	06:15
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andax	luke-jr: is there all there is to it?	06:34
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fredrin	Where is DAVE?????	06:42
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TermanaDesire	fredrin: Dave who? You mean David?	06:44
TermanaDesire	Unless you mean Dave Neary.	06:45
TermanaDesire	But just Dave means nothing, even in all capitals	06:45
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fredrin	TermanaDesire, nah, more that i miss Dava from the Openmoko days	06:48
fredrin	never mind	06:48
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DocScrutinizer	dave vanished	07:07
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DocScrutinizer	nobody ever told me what happened to him. Just his army of bats still living here	07:08
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frals	X-Fade: all generated 'downloads' graphs seems to stop at the end of july atm	07:31
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timeless_mbp	hey	08:32
timeless_mbp	lcuk: ?	08:33
timeless_mbp	is TV out on the n900 mirror only?	08:33
timeless_mbp	or is there a way to abuse it?	08:33
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ebzzry	I hope there is a better Dropbox client for Fremantle?	08:49
ebzzry	s/\?$/./	08:50
lcukn900	timeless abuse is possible at least using xvideo yuv mode	08:58
timeless_mbp	cute	08:59
timeless_mbp	would it be practical to have speaker-notes + navigation on the n900 screen and a slide set on TV out?	08:59
timeless_mbp	(from a readability perspective and from a performance perspective)	08:59
lcukn900	timeless, considered it, yeah it would be good to try but best is to use wireless linked apps bcause then you can walk.	09:01
lcukn900	i have a nervous feeling about trusting videoout after the fail last time	09:01
timeless_mbp	was i there for fail?	09:02
lcukn900	idk	09:02
timeless_mbp	where?	09:02
timeless_mbp	when?	09:02
lcukn900	2 devices both did not work on big screen	09:02
lcukn900	2009 summit	09:02
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RST38h	a'ok	09:04
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xDaReaperx	Hello	09:19
xDaReaperx	is it possible to actually view the N900's screen on the laptop	09:19
xDaReaperx	like it's done on the TV	09:19
DocScrutinizer2	lcukn900: missing 50R termination?	09:19
DocScrutinizer2	xDaReaperx: vnc	09:20
xDaReaperx	okay	09:20
xDaReaperx	oh yeah	09:20
xDaReaperx	thanks	09:20
xDaReaperx	VNC is in Dev repos ?	09:20
xDaReaperx	nvm	09:21
lcukn900	doc idk.	09:31
lcukn900	boarding	09:31
Gorroth	MohammadAG: you around?	09:32
Gorroth	anyone tried using the usb host mode? aka h-e-n	09:32
Gorroth	i dont know where it mounts the drives	09:32
ebzzry	Huh? Hen is already in testing?	09:32
Gorroth	in devel	09:33
Gorroth	but it is supposedly beta status	09:33
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RST38h	"GM stated that the 2011 Buick Regal will have the auto industry's fastest processor: 128Mhz, and 3MB of flash."	09:36
RST38h	[sidenote: They still produce these Regals in 2011!]	09:37
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RobbieThe1st	Seems to me that that means they are using sloppy code; no way a car needs a processor that fast. An entertainment system or GPS etc, sure, but what is essentially a fixed-function device that just changes spark advance and fuel, and monitors a handful of sensors?	09:53
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timeless_mbp	hrm, graphics editors are hogs	10:00
* timeless_mbp closed an app using ~1.4gb of private memory		10:00
timeless_mbp	=ram	10:00
RobbieThe1st	Personally, I'd prefer them take ram/swap than use a custom cache-file; It's one thing if you are low on memory, but when you have 4GB of ram and 12 of swap, and(in my case) Gimp uses your harddisk preferentially...	10:03
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timeless_mbp	i have 4gb of ram	10:05
timeless_mbp	1gb of which is typically reserved by the kernel for my primary file system	10:05
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timeless_mbp	in this case though, i had a graphics app w/ 0 open documents	10:06
timeless_mbp	i t	10:06
timeless_mbp	i think it kept open its undo buffers from previously opened documents...	10:06
RobbieThe1st	huh, that's odd	10:07
timeless_mbp	it wasn't particularly helpful, i'll give you that :)	10:07
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xDaReaperx	Hi	10:53
xDaReaperx	guys i have easy debian	10:53
xDaReaperx	but when i trie to do this : ./debmee	10:53
xDaReaperx	it says not found	10:53
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tugrik	morning	10:56
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Kowalczyk	hi.. probably me being stupid. but on contact screen. you can edit a user and put in a field called facebook. what do we have to type in there? or we need the facebook username so we can use that to chat with them? or what do we have to put i there?	10:57
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GAN900	Woo, Dublin!	11:08
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Kowalczyk	hi.. probably me being stupid. but on contact screen. you can edit a user and put in a field called facebook. what do we have to type in there? or we need the facebook username so we can use that to chat with them? or what do we have to put i there?	11:11
TNZ	i beat on FB username instead of real name	11:12
Kowalczyk	ok.... so have to the fb username of every user then. or they have to create one. then I know that. thanks	11:12
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afteris	hello comrads!	11:23
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trumee	anybody modified the xterm key bar using gconftool-2?	11:26
trumee	For some strange reason my full screen icon does move to the extreme right.	11:27
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer2, ping	12:39
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Necc	afternoon	12:40
Noobmonk3y_	aghhhh ffs...	12:40
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Necc	there is any command witch turns ON the keyboard lightning, independent from anything?	12:40
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Noobmonk3y_	pc being used by the gf's sister, who hmoved out... grrrrr..... want to move to linux today!	12:40
Noobmonk3y_	necc yes	12:41
Noobmonk3y_	but its on my pc which i cant get too, the script is in the tmo forums though	12:41
Noobmonk3y_	MohammadAG, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, suse etc etc? ubuntu a sensible starting point?	12:42
Noobmonk3y_	bearing in min the blonde missus will be using it!!	12:43
SwedeMike	then ubuntu is probably a good bet.	12:43
MohammadAG	ubuntu!!!	12:43
Termana	Ubuntu?	12:44
MohammadAG	kde is meh, at least imo, xubuntu is for very slow devices	12:44
MohammadAG	suse is RPM	12:44
nidO	Noobmonk3y: suse's a nice place to start imo	12:44
Termana	You should throw like Slackware or Gentoo or Arch Linux on that thign	12:44
Termana	thing*	12:44
Noobmonk3y_	cool, ubuntu it will be....	12:44
Termana	:P	12:44
Noobmonk3y_	lol term	12:44
MohammadAG	Gentoo	12:44
Termana	FTW!	12:44
Noobmonk3y_	ive found solutions to the windows software i need :( (wine)	12:44
MohammadAG	I can recompile what I want, no need to recompile everything	12:44
MohammadAG	and I don't want to wait 10 minutes for a kernel to install	12:45
nidO	the ideal solution for windows software is sticking with windows :P	12:45
MohammadAG	and that's with -j 6	12:45
Noobmonk3y_	lol	12:45
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MohammadAG	hmm, might be traveling, I need to plan shit if I do	12:45
Noobmonk3y_	i'm going for simple is best for my missus	12:45
ieatlint	people hate on gentoo too much :P	12:46
Noobmonk3y_	yeah nido, but not for qt development	12:46
Noobmonk3y_	and i hate vm's	12:46
Necc	cool... it seems that my keyboard LEDs are completely dead... fiaso+emmc reflash and they still does not work even in a darkroom	12:46
MohammadAG	1) remote SSH scratchbox 2) keyboard + mouse on N900 3) Qt Creator on the N900, somehow...	12:46
Noobmonk3y_	that dont sound good necc	12:46
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Noobmonk3y_	lol mo	12:46
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Noobmonk3y_	does itunes run in linux? :) the missus has 40gb of music :)	12:47
Necc	however i not found any script/command, i read that putting out the battery for a few minutes may help	12:47
nidO	well its not like itunes even runs in windows so you're not missing much	12:48
Noobmonk3y_	MohammadAG, can you show necc the keyboard light script pls	12:48
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nidO	afaik though Noobmonk3y_, itunes will run through wine	12:49
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MohammadAG	Noobmonk3y_, I really like rythmbox	12:50
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Noobmonk3y_	lo frals!	12:50
Noobmonk3y_	mohammadag, but i need the itunes library working	12:50
frals	itunes bah!	12:51
Noobmonk3y_	:)	12:52
frals	throw out your apple shit Noobmonk3y! ;)	12:52
MohammadAG	Qt Creator sucks on a netbook	12:52
frals	also im getting trolled on tmo, i need to stop posting :(	12:52
* MohammadAG dumps idea of taking netbook		12:52
MohammadAG	frals, noticed that lol	12:52
Noobmonk3y_	frals, trying to move to liux, vut the missus etc use itunes	12:52
MohammadAG	vut? you remind me of some accent :P	12:52
Noobmonk3y_	i've never used or owned anything appley :)	12:52
frals	Noobmonk3y_: virtualbox has usb passthru	12:52
Noobmonk3y_	?	12:52
Necc	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=632950&postcount=14	12:52
nidO	Noobmonk3y_: hes basically saying use a vm.	12:53
frals	Noobmonk3y: have a virtual windows in virtualbox and she can use itunes, it wont work properly in *nix	12:53
MohammadAG	Noobmonk3y, he means you can run iTunes in a vm	12:53
Noobmonk3y_	meh meh meh	12:53
Necc	i <3 the forums, type in any word, and you will find a billion topic about disgussing exactly the same problem...	12:53
Noobmonk3y_	will give her a laptop ?0	12:53
Noobmonk3y_	oooo wow, necc, you fiound my post lol	12:54
* Noobmonk3y_ wants the gf's sis to leave so i can get on with the move		12:55
frals	:D	12:55
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Noobmonk3y_	theyre faffing ordering broadband, phone, a fridge and tv licence for over an hour!	12:56
frals	bah need to learn finnish so i can order another monitor for my desktop	12:56
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Noobmonk3y_	lol, google translate frals?	12:58
frals	Noobmonk3y: it fails on https usually :(	12:58
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Noobmonk3y_	i have 94 19 inch screens in storage at the mo lol	12:58
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Noobmonk3y_	meh	12:59
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Noobmonk3y_	xchat died	12:59
nidO	speaking of 19 inch screens, I had to laugh at some mp's response to scottish prisoners having 19" lcd tellies being ordered for prisoners	12:59
frals	why the hell do you have 94 19"? :P	12:59
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Noobmonk3y_	frals, i wish i knew :)	13:00
Noobmonk3y_	unorganised work peoples	13:00
TermanaDesire	Noobmonk3y_: oh dear - TV license. Your in one of THOSE countries ;p	13:00
trumee	Why doesnt Copy/Paste in maemo5 work like in standard linux. Selecting a text should automatically copy to the clipboard!	13:00
Noobmonk3y_	hould be shifting em next week	13:00
trumee	I hate this Mark text and Copy.	13:00
Noobmonk3y_	lol TermanaDesire i work for the national health service (hospitals etc)	13:00
MohammadAG	frals, Tarvitsen 22 "Samsung monitori ja kymmenen taimenta kiitos	13:01
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frals	22 bah! ;)	13:01
Noobmonk3y	oo oyay a pc!	13:02
MohammadAG	ten trouts in that sentence too :P	13:02
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Noobmonk3y	is openoffice the best office suite on linux?	13:03
Noobmonk3y	and will it read most msoffice docs etc? :)	13:03
frals	koffice!	13:03
MohammadAG	yes, I think	13:03
Noobmonk3y	meh, koffice?	13:03
Noobmonk3y	aslong as one works i'll be happy	13:03
Necc	Noobmonk3y i <3 u!	13:04
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Necc	your script made my lights working!	13:04
Noobmonk3y	lol wasnt mine	13:04
Noobmonk3y	you can thank MohammadAG / lcuk	13:04
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Noobmonk3y	one of those two had the brains	13:05
Necc	now that is the question how the f*ck the keyboard lights does not worked after fiasco+emmc reflash?	13:05
Noobmonk3y	DocScrutinizer2: ? :)	13:05
Noobmonk3y	thats a q for you ;)	13:05
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Noobmonk3y	hmmm tomtom software? lol - linux or wine'able?	13:05
Necc	w8 something is still bad	13:06
Necc	going to the darkroom again..	13:06
MohammadAG	Necc, reinstall mce I suppose	13:06
Necc	MohammadAG: fiasco+emmc should do that right?	13:06
Gorroth	well, i did test the h-e-n tool	13:06
MohammadAG	yes, it's weird, but worth a try	13:07
Gorroth	seems to work	13:07
Gorroth	i mounted one of those "dead drop" usb sticks	13:07
Gorroth	but there might be a high rate of errors happening when communicating with the usb devices, because every one i tried resulted really slow speeds	13:07
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MohammadAG	Gorroth, it's not a desktop :P	13:10
Noobmonk3y	MohammadAG: lier	13:10
Noobmonk3y	OMFG!	13:10
Noobmonk3y	Itunes wont shut down, goes and reloads lol!	13:10
Noobmonk3y	piece of crap	13:10
MohammadAG	Noobmonk3y, ok, the N900 is a desktop :P	13:10
MohammadAG	that's a disgrace to crap	13:11
Noobmonk3y	:)	13:12
Necc	and keyboard lights still on even after reboot \:D/ ... and now comes the damn long process of restoring the system...	13:12
Noobmonk3y	lol necc	13:12
Noobmonk3y	right, back to the n900 - i'm ready for the buntu rebuild!	13:12
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MohammadAG	good luck	13:16
MohammadAG	you're gonna need it :P	13:17
Noobmonk3y	lol	13:17
Gorroth	MohammadAG: yes, it's not a desktop, but you'd expect no more errors on a fully functioning USB host mode controller. i know it's beta and just thought the feedback would help	13:17
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Gorroth	s/errors on/errors than on/	13:17
infobot	Gorroth meant: MohammadAG: yes, it's not a desktop, but you'd expect no more errors than on a fully functioning USB host mode controller. i know it's beta and just thought the feedback would help	13:17
MohammadAG	Gorroth, hmm? errors? didn't notice those	13:17
MohammadAG	I did notice slow speeds, but that's kinda normal imo	13:17
Gorroth	well, i just assume there are errors. the kernel was saying some things about it. i just assumed there were bit errors or device errors happening and causing resets	13:18
SpeedEvil	how slow	13:18
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Gorroth	well, it was really really slow. i noticed the most problems when i tried to do "cp -r"	13:18
MohammadAG	20 minutes to copy 2.46GBs to a sandisk flash	13:18
Gorroth	HOWEVER	13:18
SpeedEvil	Copying small files can be slow	13:18
Gorroth	i also noticed it didn't work too quickly when i just did a simple "find /media/sda1"	13:18
Gorroth	so maybe it's just slow traversing the file system on those devices. i'm not sure what the real issue is	13:19
SpeedEvil	First step.	13:19
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SpeedEvil	Try same from desktop	13:19
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Gorroth	by "not work too quickly", i mean i didn't even see "find" show me even a single file name.	13:20
SpeedEvil	then do speed tests of the raw block device from desktop and n900	13:20
Gorroth	after 3 minutes	13:20
Gorroth	SpeedEvil: well, i don't think i need to do that, because the n900 was orders of magnitude slower	13:20
SpeedEvil	Did you log the errors?	13:20
Gorroth	SpeedEvil: hmm, my n900 might have somewhere	13:20
SpeedEvil	Also - try with another USB stick?	13:20
Gorroth	yeah, i tried 3 sticks	13:20
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Gorroth	i was noticing the errors in dmesg	13:21
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Gorroth	btw, i'm not saying "this sucks". i'm just providing feedback	13:21
Gorroth	it did let me do some really basic stuff on one of those dead drops	13:21
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Noobmonk3y_	eeeeek installing	13:24
MohammadAG	yay, broke my Qt install	13:26
Necc	with easy debian?	13:26
Noobmonk3y_	lol	13:26
Noobmonk3y_	mohammadag did you install windows?	13:26
Gorroth	what does easy debian do anyway?	13:27
Noobmonk3y_	Gorroth, erm, runs a cut debian os	13:27
Necc	with easy debian you can simply kill your QT apps in maemo	13:27
Noobmonk3y_	ieatlint, desktop	13:27
Noobmonk3y_	ooops	13:27
MohammadAG	Noobmonk3y_, no, I upgraded the SDK	13:27
Noobmonk3y_	sorry ieatlint didnt mean to mention you	13:27
Noobmonk3y_	lol mohammadag	13:28
Gorroth	oh, i see	13:28
Gorroth	maemo and the n900 is already slow enough. i don't think i'd want another OS inside my OS	13:28
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Noobmonk3y_	gorroth, it also allows you to run openoffice etc directly on the n900 albeit a bit slow	13:28
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MohammadAG	mind you, it's only a chroot	13:29
Necc	the image file (debian-m5-v3d.img.ext2) mounts and uses /home/user paralelly with maemo. if you change any QT specific settings inside debian LXDE, you will simply kill the maemo QT apps interface too	13:29
MohammadAG	fuck, maemo target gone	13:29
Gorroth	openoffice is definitely not something i'd want to run even on a desktop	13:29
Noobmonk3y_	lol!	13:29
Noobmonk3y_	Gorroth, works pretty well tbh	13:30
Necc	no	13:30
Gorroth	no, it does not	13:30
Necc	openoffice caused data loss with M$office 2003 files	13:30
Noobmonk3y_	Gorroth, how do you know my opionion? it does for me....	13:30
Noobmonk3y_	opinion*	13:30
Gorroth	no, it's just a fact it isn't good	13:30
Gorroth	that's why i've got Pages, latex, and MS Word	13:30
Noobmonk3y_	that sounds saucey to me (a non linuxy user, well for 5 more mins)	13:31
Necc	well openoffice not compatible with MSoffice, whatever they saying, but it is still usefull for simple document editing	13:31
Noobmonk3y_	hmmmmm	13:31
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Noobmonk3y_	any linux office suites that will open ms files?	13:32
Gorroth	yeah, i'm so non-linux that i didn't use it on my desktop for over 5 years and use it in many forms today	13:32
Gorroth	like, you know, on two phones	13:32
Gorroth	and servers, and what not	13:32
Noobmonk3y_	?	13:32
Noobmonk3y_	me you numpty not you	13:32
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Termana	Noobmonk3y_, OpenOffice works fine I have no fucking idea what Necc is talking about	13:32
Gorroth	whatever that means	13:32
nidO	yeah Noobmonk3y_, openoffice. it has problems with like 0.05% of ms office content, and will tell you when that's the case	13:32
Necc	Noobmonk3y_: with openoffice you can read MS office files, but if you do not want to risk any data loose/incompatibility after, do not write/save it	13:33
Noobmonk3y_	cool, ty nidO , Termana	13:33
Gorroth	yeah, Necc is right	13:33
Noobmonk3y_	Gorroth, i was saying i'm not a linux user, wasnt talking about you!	13:33
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Gorroth	Noobmonk3y_: oh. i misunderstood	13:33
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Noobmonk3y_	yup, noticed lol	13:33
Noobmonk3y_	i'm currently installing ubuntu lol, hence the 5 minutes part	13:34
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Necc	i'm talking about my boss installed openoffice (under linux), edited a corporational .xls file with important datas inside, saved it, and the next day we wasn't able to find a tons of data inside the .xls file because stupid idiot openoffice DELETED DATA FROM THE XLS FILE that's what i'm talking about, if i wasn/t clear before	13:34
Noobmonk3y_	and hence the open office q's	13:34
Noobmonk3y_	Necc, tbh, ms office kills its own files quite happily, doesnt need more hlp from OO hehe	13:35
nidO	Necc so you mean when it asked him what data format to save it as, he selected odf or something rather than its' original excel format.	13:35
nidO	luser error doesnt make oo shit	13:35
Termana	nidO, do you smell what I smell?	13:35
Termana	nidO, smells like....	13:35
* Termana sniffs		13:35
Necc	OMG it wasn't an user error, deal with it	13:35
Termana	Yep it is	13:35
Necc	IT WAS NOT!	13:35
Termana	WE GOTS US SOME WINDOWS FANBOIS	13:35
Noobmonk3y_	lol!	13:35
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Necc	i'm fucking pissed now, i'm so happy that some retarded people tells me i lie... thanks alot	13:36
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Noobmonk3y_	and all i did was ask a few q's lol!	13:36
Necc	just to make you linux fanbios sure: we reproduced the dataloss!	13:36
Termana	All the MeeGo people leave and now we get this. It's just great, it really is.	13:37
Necc	it was a bug and not an accident	13:37
Necc	but for now, i'm off	13:37
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Noobmonk3y_	calm down children!	13:37
Noobmonk3y_	lol!	13:37
Termana	Noobmonk3y_, I have a way of making people like me	13:37
Termana	:P	13:37
Gorroth	openoffice was an accident :-/	13:37
nidO	I find the whole loonix/windaz assumptions over oo amusing, mainly as I always run oo on my WINDOWS workstation.	13:37
Gorroth	a terrible terrible accident	13:37
Gorroth	it should have been abort()'d	13:38
Termana	Gorroth, I see............ Lotus Notes fanboi!	13:38
Termana	:P	13:38
Gorroth	i don't even know what that looks like	13:38
Termana	Maybe I need to explicitly declare sarcasm tags	13:39
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Gorroth	me too	13:39
Termana	~lart Gorroth	13:40
* infobot blames Gorroth for all the evil in the world		13:40
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* NooBmonk3y is on ubuntu, tadaaaaaaaaaaaa		13:41
NooBmonk3y	now to set the bugger up!	13:41
Gorroth	that's right. now please get in line for your TSA pat-down	13:41
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Gorroth	we will be "meeting resistance" in the groin	13:42
einsteinchen	NooBmonk3y: congratulation	13:42
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NooBmonk3y	ty einsteinchen	13:42
Termana	NooBmonk3y, welcome to the darkside - we have cookies	13:42
nidO	surely the dark side, of this channel at least, would be centos.	13:43
NooBmonk3y	lol brb	13:43
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Gorroth	centoslinux is here now	13:43
Gorroth	watching you	13:43
afteris	opensuse	13:43
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afteris	:)	13:43
afteris	lovely	13:43
nidO	sure it is, i've got like 20 ssh sessions open to my centos systems	13:43
einsteinchen	Ubuntu 4 ever	13:43
NooBmonk3y	good xchat is now setup :) - 1 tick out of 100 lol	13:43
Gorroth	no, i mean centoslinux is actually in the channel, watching you do your business	13:44
afteris	btw very nice xchat on maemo	13:44
Gorroth	nooooo, xchat is terrible	13:44
Gorroth	on maemo	13:44
Gorroth	it doesn't even have a UI optimized for the device	13:44
Termana	Gorroth, I am going to kick your arse bitch	13:44
afteris	what better?	13:44
Termana	:D	13:44
Termana	xchat on Maemo is the best mobile IRC client	13:45
Termana	EVAR	13:45
NooBmonk3y	Gorroth, do you actually like anything? :P	13:45
afteris	i think so	13:45
Termana	NooBmonk3y, your mum	13:45
afteris	:D	13:45
Termana	Just sayin.	13:45
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NooBmonk3y	Termana, thats a bit of sick necrophilia i'd say	13:45
Termana	NooBmonk3y, oh. ouch. sorry	13:45
NooBmonk3y	;)	13:45
Gorroth	NooBmonk3y: yes. i like OS X, my nexus one, my girlfriend, my dogs, my car, my life, mostly things related to me	13:46
NooBmonk3y	meh fair enough	13:46
Termana	OS X and Nexus One	13:46
Termana	That said it all	13:46
Termana	:P	13:46
Gorroth	yeah, it said i'm practical :)	13:46
NooBmonk3y	may i ask, if not rude, why #maemo?	13:46
einsteinchen	Mac fail -.-	13:46
Gorroth	i have an n900	13:47
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NooBmonk3y	hmmm first things first to move the window menubar buttons back to the right lol	13:47
NooBmonk3y	oh cool :)	13:47
einsteinchen	Gorroth: you'll never be free again with OS X ^^	13:47
NooBmonk3y	einsteinchen, don't start him off lol	13:47
Gorroth	einsteinchen: yeah, i'm so not free, i'm not using macports and foss software on it	13:47
Gorroth	it's just terrible	13:47
einsteinchen	Gorroth: don't get me wrong, im just not into mac, thats all ;)	13:48
NooBmonk3y	amnesty international will be saving you shortly ;)	13:48
Gorroth	einsteinchen: yeah, i figured	13:48
Gorroth	isn't amnesty international a fund for hobos?	13:48
nidO	uh	13:49
Gorroth	oh, human rights. close enough. hobos have rights too	13:49
NooBmonk3y	lol	13:49
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einsteinchen	Gorroth: why are you using an android phone and OS X?	13:51
einsteinchen	why not an iPhone too?	13:51
danu	guys , one video clip is missing in my N900 , is there any way of recovering it , btw my phone went off several times due to lack of power	13:52
nidO	wheres the relationship?	13:52
nidO	phone != computer	13:52
Gorroth	i just like how OS X lets me have a fully functioning unix system while still letting me do all the fun desktop things everyone on windows and os x an do without all the hassles i had for >5 years on a linux desktop	13:52
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Gorroth	and i use android becuase it's just plain better than the iphone, which i did use for 1.5 years or something	13:52
Gorroth	oh, except for making money. i made way more cash on iphone apps than android	13:52
NooBmonk3y	hmmm how to set auto join channels in xchat?	13:53
einsteinchen	ok	13:53
MohammadAG	favorites	13:53
Gorroth	i like my google maps on android and other things it can do	13:53
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MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging is it good or can it be improved?	13:53
einsteinchen	yea, thats great, i have a HTC Magic	13:54
einsteinchen	but its a bit slow ^^	13:54
NooBmonk3y	wow MohammadAG , gimme an hour or so, will install qt and try it! :)	13:54
Gorroth	yeah	13:54
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, how do i set xchat to autojopin channels?	13:54
einsteinchen	but im using CM 6, thats the fastest OS for now	13:54
NooBmonk3y	s/autojopin/autojoin	13:55
Gorroth	speaking of linux desktop though, i wanna get my big desktop setup with kubuntu, but only if the ATI drivers are any good for my SLI'd GPUs	13:55
einsteinchen	and next week, im getting my N900! :)	13:55
NooBmonk3y	einsteinchen, yay!!	13:55
Gorroth	and if i can run starcraft 2 under it or a win 7 VM at good rates on ultra settings	13:55
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, right click a channel and add to favs	13:55
einsteinchen	NooBmonk3y: ty	13:55
iDont	Gorroth: ATI drivers for a SLI setup?	13:56
NooBmonk3y	ty MohammadAG	13:56
Gorroth	einsteinchen: i honestly don't think you'll like using the N900 over your android phone for everyday phone-and-date kinds of things. it's just not as usable like that. i do find it to be a really good pocket computer with a 3g modem though	13:56
Gorroth	s/phone-and-date/phone-and-data/	13:56
infobot	Gorroth meant: einsteinchen: i honestly don't think you'll like using the N900 over your android phone for everyday phone-and-data kinds of things. it's just not as usable like that. i do find it to be a really good pocket computer with a 3g modem though	13:56
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Gorroth	iDont: yeah, i have a Radeon 5750 and Radeon 5770 working in tandem via SLI (sort of like they work as one card)	13:57
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NooBmonk3y	yay works	13:57
NooBmonk3y	brb reboot	13:57
maybeWTF	the correct marketing term is "crossfire" for amd	13:57
einsteinchen	Gorroth: i dont want to replace my android, maybe later, if the n900 works fine for me	13:57
iDont	Gorroth: You know SLI is the multi-GPU technology from Nvidia? ATI uses Crossfire	13:57
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Gorroth	whatever. it's just semantics. they're both the same idea	13:58
iDont	yep :P	13:59
Gorroth	:)	13:59
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alterego	Oh great, battery is on critical. Don't have a charger ...	13:59
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alterego	I wonder if I can use the N800 as a charger	13:59
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Gorroth	lol	13:59
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Gorroth	i wonder if the TSA would let you through security with those connected together	14:00
iDont	alterego: IIRC there is a video showing the N8 charging the N900	14:00
Gorroth	might look suspicious	14:00
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Gorroth	ahem... "suspicious"	14:00
alterego	I don't have an N8	14:00
Gorroth	oh, i'd like an N8, but only if it had meego	14:00
Gorroth	and if meego was further along in development	14:00
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iDont	Well, as both the N8 and N800 have USB host mode?	14:01
iDont	Or am I wrong there? (don't own a N800)	14:01
alterego	Yeah, does.	14:01
alterego	Well N8 has OTG	14:01
Gorroth	if meego ends up with a great voice nav app and sync'ing to google email/calendar, i think we'll be in business on my ened. that could replace my nexus one. i'd also like USB OTG and all that other fancy stuff too	14:01
Gorroth	alterego: N900 also has rudimentary OTG; i tested it tonight. still slow though	14:02
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Gorroth	but getting there!	14:02
alterego	No it doesn't	14:02
SpeedEvil	N900 does not have OTG	14:02
SpeedEvil	OTG is not host mode.	14:02
Gorroth	oh	14:02
alterego	It has hacked USB host mode	14:02
Gorroth	i thought OTG was basically just host mode	14:02
alterego	No	14:03
Gorroth	ok	14:03
alterego	OTG is a usb specification designed for devices that are portable and want to switch between being a host and a peripheral.	14:03
NooBmonk3y	ahhh thats better, max/min/close buttons back to the right!	14:03
alterego	It's a spec that the N900 doesn't adhere to.	14:04
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MohammadAG	http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging how about now? :)	14:06
MohammadAG	I have an N900, and it's not exactly rocket science	14:06
MohammadAG	err, N8 too	14:06
pexi	Gorroth, nokia c7	14:06
MohammadAG	I charged an N900 from another N900, so what?	14:07
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, i think we need to work on a separate page for each file explaining the lines, options etc and what they do	14:07
MohammadAG	(yes, I really tried that)	14:07
Gorroth	pexi: huh?	14:07
pexi	Gorroth, that's a nice smartphone with better keyboard than n900	14:07
alterego	Well, I'm lacking anything wkith a micro usb connector.	14:08
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, manual pages(!)	14:08
MohammadAG	sec	14:08
Gorroth	MohammadAG: for the usb host mode on the n900, is it using standard linux drivers for that or a patched kernel?	14:08
Gorroth	i might take a look at the driver and see if i can track down what's making it slow for me	14:08
alterego	A patched kernel	14:08
Gorroth	okay	14:08
NooBmonk3y	lol MohammadAG	14:08
Gorroth	pexi: ah, okay. i wouldn't know, as i only have one nokia device	14:09
SpeedEvil	Though if you have kernel hacking skills, you are welcome to look at the patches.	14:09
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Gorroth	yeah, i have a bit, but not as much as the guy that wrote the original patch	14:10
Gorroth	but i will still look at it	14:10
pexi	Gorroth, though c6 is cheaper	14:10
NooBmonk3y	any recommendations for ubuntu ftp client software?	14:10
alterego	ftp	14:10
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Gorroth	pexi: hmm, okay. i'm confused why you're telling me though; i'm not looking for other nokia phones or any phones for that matter :)	14:11
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Gorroth	ncftp	14:11
pexi	yeah, c6 is the phone, c7 was touchscreen	14:11
pexi	well. if u want voice nav with googleapps	14:12
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Gorroth	ahhhh, okay	14:12
pexi	offline voicenav	14:12
pexi	and real keyboard	14:12
pexi	well maybe the n9 or e7..	14:12
Gorroth	well, i'm going to wait for the N9 to see what it has. i already have the nexus one so don't need anything else for normal phone/data use for now	14:12
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, e.g dh_install - install files into package build directories	14:12
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pexi	Gorroth, k	14:13
Gorroth	or if meego on the n900 comes with that stuff, that'll be good too. i probably won't buy an n9 then and will just wait for the next gen after that	14:13
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Termana	DocScrutinizer, i found out what was going wrong with NickServ btw	14:14
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MohammadAG	k, charged a device from the N900, do I get a noble piece prize?	14:17
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, yes	14:18
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BCMM	what we really need is USB network adaptor support, so we can connect two n900s together and SSH to one over USB then SSH back to the other over wlan	14:19
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, you know how much of a noob i am....	14:19
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Termana	MohammadAG, normally it's PEACE prize, but I suppose you can go tell everyone you brought PIECE - expect the police on your door though	14:20
NooBmonk3y	Downloaded qt, and trying to run in ubuntu - getting "There is no application installed for executable files"	14:20
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NooBmonk3y	i dloaded the linux 32 file btw	14:20
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NooBmonk3y	anyone? :\|	14:21
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nidO	NooBmonk3y: does the install file have +x?	14:23
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NooBmonk3y	ahhh	14:23
NooBmonk3y	ty	14:23
NooBmonk3y	changed the permissions to allow it to run lol	14:23
NooBmonk3y	didnt expect to have to do that!	14:23
BCMM	pretty sure linux is at version 2.something, not 32	14:24
* BCMM ducks		14:24
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nidO	the message isnt really clear, its basically telling you the system cant execute the file itself (no permissions) and there's nothing else on the system thatll execute the file so it doesnt know what to do with it	14:24
NooBmonk3y	ahhh,	14:25
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* NooBmonk3y is just to used to windows, download and run		14:25
NooBmonk3y	i understand the permissions thing, just really didnt expect to have to set it to be 'runnable'	14:25
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NooBmonk3y	hmmm buntu also seems to be running quite slow meh	14:25
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BCMM	NooBmonk3y: it's a very good system imho	14:26
BCMM	an execute permission prevents all sorts of problems	14:27
NooBmonk3y	sure it is :) - i'm just gonna hit randoms that i'm not used to this week :)	14:27
BCMM	for example, it makes it pretty hard to accidentally execute an email attachment	14:27
NooBmonk3y	trying to tell the gf about this is gonna be hard!	14:27
NooBmonk3y	hmmm external hard disk not recognised :\| eeeeek	14:28
NooBmonk3y	probably because it was setup in wodnows, but it has all my stuff on it :\|	14:28
NooBmonk3y	windows*	14:28
NooBmonk3y	ahhh found it	14:28
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HRH_H_Crab	hello maemo users.	14:31
MohammadAG	alterego, got any examples on Qt daemons? :)	14:31
HRH_H_Crab	im a new user, just come to hang out and learn more about the system / N900. :)	14:31
NooBmonk3y	welcome HRH_H_Crab :) :)	14:32
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NooBmonk3y	good place to learn btw ;) - although alot of this room are currently at the meego conference :P	14:33
nidO	silly windows user. its a channel, not a room.	14:34
HRH_H_Crab	well, that brings me on to a (possibly) interesting question...	14:34
NooBmonk3y	:)	14:34
HRH_H_Crab	ive added extras-devel (for pc-connectivity-manager) and now i have a linux framebuffer boot display, which mentions uboot	14:35
NooBmonk3y	nidO, on ubuntu do i need to add anything to get qtcreator to connect to the n900 - hmmmmmmm	14:35
NooBmonk3y	can ping it fine	14:35
HRH_H_Crab	i presume that im now in a position to do something with meego on my mmc and i can dual boot?	14:35
HRH_H_Crab	im not really planning to do it yet.	14:35
NooBmonk3y	HRH_H_Crab, have to admit, not done the meego thing yet :\| - someone here has i'm sure lol	14:35
HRH_H_Crab	just learning how the device works.	14:36
NooBmonk3y	there is a wiki guide somewhere	14:36
nidO	HRH_H_Crab: yes, if you've installed uboot you can get meego going, im not terribly current on it but afaik ill still need to be installed to an SD card, not the emmc	14:36
HRH_H_Crab	aah	14:36
HRH_H_Crab	its a pretty amazing device.	14:37
NooBmonk3y	it is very very cool!	14:37
HRH_H_Crab	im used to things like zaurus and nslu2 but to have this sort of control over a phone is kind of overwhelming.	14:37
NooBmonk3y	had mine almost a year, still learning new stuff :)	14:37
nidO	it's keyboard is crummy though :(	14:37
NooBmonk3y	lol nidO	14:37
HRH_H_Crab	nidO: i have massive fingers	14:38
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HRH_H_Crab	and im finding it a bit uncomfortable	14:38
nidO	i'd literally empty out my bank account to nokia for the n900's internals in an E90, and with a working mail client.	14:38
* NooBmonk3y cant get QT to speak to the n900 :(		14:38
HRH_H_Crab	but it is getting a bit better	14:38
NooBmonk3y	ssh is on, device is pingable :\|	14:38
nidO	can you ssh to it?	14:38
NooBmonk3y	erm, hold on let me try	14:38
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NooBmonk3y	nidO, yes	14:39
NooBmonk3y	ahaaaaaaaaaa	14:40
NooBmonk3y	developer password not working	14:40
NooBmonk3y	that may b why!	14:40
nidO	that would help	14:40
MohammadAG	reset it	14:40
MohammadAG	muhahaha	14:40
NooBmonk3y	reset it, but still denied	14:40
NooBmonk3y	hmmmmmmmmm	14:40
NooBmonk3y	but qt is working	14:41
NooBmonk3y	lol yay!	14:41
NooBmonk3y	thanks nidO	14:42
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tugrik	anyone here use GPE calendar?	15:33
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aep	any app around that triggers the camera after a delay?	15:38
aep	for maemo5 that is	15:38
NooBmonk3y	not sure, good q though	15:38
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blubbi	Hi, can anyone tell me why http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/www2sms/1.1.5/ keeps telling "Warning: This package has missing dependencies!"	15:41
nidO	because the package has a missing dependency	15:41
blubbi	nidO: no it has not	15:42
blubbi	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-mechanize/0.2.4maemo0/	15:42
blubbi	is also in devel-overlay so it does not have a missing dep	15:43
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Devvv	guys how do I get rid of U-boot? :< reinstalling the kernel-flasher doesn't work	15:43
blubbi	so where is the logic behind this message?	15:44
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MohammadAG	<aep> any app around that triggers the camera after a delay?	15:52
MohammadAG	<aep> for maemo5 that is	15:52
MohammadAG	cli launcher I think	15:53
MohammadAG	or something, it's in the repos	15:53
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MohammadAG	but it delayed a bit too much that I missed two shots once, so I removed it	15:53
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MohammadAG	would rather take more time to start the flash than take more time to open the camera	15:53
aep	hmmh cli not a bad idea	15:54
aep	i had no idea you can do that	15:54
aep	i hope i dont have to use some dbus thingy?	15:54
aep	got docs?	15:55
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* slonopotamus started rebasing diablo patches on top of 2.6.22		15:56
* slonopotamus -omap1, actually		15:56
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* NooBmonk3y wonders how the meego conference is going :)		15:58
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slonopotamus	2.6.21 blocks some stuff from updating (and things will get worse over time). we already lost ability to upgrade udev, bluez, network-manager	15:59
NooBmonk3y	brb reboot	16:00
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slonopotamus	noob, windozer? :)	16:00
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sivang	what do we have in infobot to represent the current sad state of affairs with Maemo, I need a quick text (short) that shows the sarcastic view dos1 always provides	16:05
sivang	err	16:05
sivang	DocScrutinizer: ^	16:05
sivang	DocScrutinizer51: ^	16:05
sivang	S/dos1/ DocScrutinizer51 /	16:05
NooBmonk3y	lol	16:05
sivang	:)	16:05
sivang	he showed me once how to speak with it in private	16:07
sivang	how do I do that?	16:07
sivang	(with infobot )	16:07
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DocScrutinizer	~kick sivang	16:08
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jacekowski	http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-white/item24	16:09
jacekowski	my next phone	16:09
DocScrutinizer	sivang: are you drunk? or on mushrooms?	16:11
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NooBmonk3y	lol jacekowski !!!	16:13
NooBmonk3y	i like!	16:13
jacekowski	3 weeks battery life	16:13
NooBmonk3y	more if you keep it turned off :)	16:13
NooBmonk3y	brb pizza!	16:14
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trumee	What special does mussorgsky does that media-player sees all album art?	16:15
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derf	Well, he wrote "Pictures at an Exhibition", so presumably...	16:16
trumee	I want to do whatever it does using easytag.	16:16
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MohammadAG	Suppose I'm using dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:"filebox" to open filebox, how would i pass arguments with dbus?	16:17
trumee	I have tagged all my music using easytag, but mediaplayer only sees some of the album-art. After updating it using mussorgsky it sees all album art. What is it doing special?	16:18
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: ROTFL for the pictograms on green and red X-P	16:18
luke-jr	NooBmonk3y: actually, no	16:18
luke-jr	NooBmonk3y: if you turn it off, and only on when you use it, the battery will go faster than just leaving it idle when not in use	16:19
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NooBmonk3y	lol!	16:19
derf	jacekowski: I prefer http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-business/item45	16:19
NooBmonk3y	so tunr it off now, and back on in 6 weeks? i count that as, well not functional, but lasting longer lol	16:19
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luke-jr	the power to boot/shutdown significantly outweighs the power used left idle	16:19
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: depends	16:19
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luke-jr	NooBmonk3y: maybe if you don't use it regularly	16:20
luke-jr	NooBmonk3y: but remember that batteries DO discharge on their own, if not used	16:20
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: the claimed 3 weeks standby are BS when traveling anyway	16:20
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: sure. but 3 weeks is quite possible if you only use it occasionally, and never online	16:20
DocScrutinizer	errr	16:20
luke-jr	before I got a SIM card, I saw battery life that long	16:21
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NooBmonk3y	lol	16:21
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sivang	DocScrutinizer: a bit hungry, but just that :)	16:21
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DocScrutinizer	3 weeks is possible with N900 and mugen, but ONLY if you never move the device so no cell handovers	16:21
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luke-jr	I was using standard battery.	16:22
luke-jr	and again, no SIM ☺	16:22
luke-jr	the battery barely moves if you leave it in Offline Mode still	16:22
luke-jr	so like I left my N900 at my wife's apartment last night… just had her put it in Offline Mode	16:23
luke-jr	bet it will be still full battery when I go get it	16:23
DocScrutinizer	sure	16:23
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DocScrutinizer	it will be next to full in a week	16:24
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* luke-jr wonders what the rate of idle discharge is, in comparison with normal battery discharge over time		16:24
DocScrutinizer	N900 idle, no TX?	16:25
luke-jr	actually, a couple of times, I've seen the battery level increase in Offline Mode…	16:25
luke-jr	right	16:25
luke-jr	completely 100% idle	16:25
DocScrutinizer	maybe 5mA	16:25
luke-jr	I was thinking a %	16:25
NooBmonk3y	lol - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11742236	16:25
luke-jr	like it discharges at 200% the rate of no-connect-on-battery or such	16:25
luke-jr	or maybe less	16:26
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* luke-jr ponders if ARM can make a SoC that runs off solar power on a handheld		16:26
DocScrutinizer	self-discharge of LiIon isn't really bad, maybe 5..10%/month	16:26
DocScrutinizer	5mA is easy, eh?	16:27
DocScrutinizer	~ 1350 / 5	16:27
infobot	270	16:27
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DocScrutinizer	~270 / 24	16:27
infobot	11.25	16:27
DocScrutinizer	I bet with suspend to ram you get even much better values	16:28
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: ^^^?	16:28
aep	whut, the camera is a v4l device? that solves things ...	16:28
DocScrutinizer	aep: actually, yes	16:28
luke-jr	lol	16:28
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DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: for such funny things like marathon standby record hunting, you should disable things like breating light, and make sure g-meter is "off"	16:29
luke-jr	how about h-meter	16:30
luke-jr	or i-meter	16:30
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DocScrutinizer	sivang: so what makes you think my sarcasm is targeted against a suggested sad state of maemo?	16:32
jacekowski	luke-jr: depends how fast you want it to be	16:32
jacekowski	luke-jr: my ARM based fluke meter lasts over 100h on 6x AA	16:32
derf	luke-jr: Don't forget the e-meter.	16:32
DocScrutinizer	sivang: actually I think maemo is in better shape than any of the alternatives	16:32
luke-jr	j-meter	16:32
derf	For optimal power saving, make sure to keep your thetan levels low.	16:33
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: Gentoo‼‼!	16:33
khertan_	luke-jr, LFS !	16:33
luke-jr	OpenMoko!	16:33
jacekowski	ubuntu	16:33
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: i-meter and j-meter are in bq27200 and can't get disabled	16:34
* luke-jr glares at jacekowski		16:34
DocScrutinizer	if only I knew what's h-meter	16:34
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: I was making up crap.	16:34
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DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: and I took you on a ride by taking you serious	16:35
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: see, this is why OpenMoko failed!	16:35
DocScrutinizer	hahaha	16:35
sivang	DocScrutinizer: nono, you got my wrong :)	16:36
* luke-jr steals sivang's wrong from DocScrutinizer		16:36
sivang	hehe	16:36
* alterego contemplates making a little Qml tips & tricks web page.		16:36
* luke-jr feeds it to derf		16:36
sivang	heh	16:36
SpeedEvil	aep http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor	16:37
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MohammadAG	why doesn't X restart when it's killed on the N900...	16:41
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: because you enabled R&D ?	16:43
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MohammadAG	without R&D it restarts the device, not X	16:44
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: actually the J-meter is not in bq27200 or bq24150. Rather it's the ALS	16:44
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MohammadAG	also, got filemanger to auto open after a flash is mounted, mount.sh of course, on exit 0 of mount	16:46
StyXman	I¶ve been looking in the wiki if there is a way to test maemo in an emulator, but couldn't find anything relevant. is it possible?	16:46
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, buntu is a bit slow and laggy :\|	16:46
MohammadAG	not an emulator, but natively, yes	16:46
MohammadAG	~maemosdk	16:46
infobot	well, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	16:46
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, blame your PC!	16:46
NooBmonk3y	well, tisnt great but was perfectly fine on w7	16:47
NooBmonk3y	:\|	16:47
alterego	Well, it does have an emulator too :)	16:47
NooBmonk3y	just playing a flash game, and aghhhhhhhh	16:47
MohammadAG	oh, that's flash itself, not ubuntu :P	16:47
DocScrutinizer	ooh, h-meter is implemented by N900fly	16:47
MohammadAG	flash isn't graphically accelerated on linux afaik	16:47
NooBmonk3y	ohhhhhhhhhhhh	16:47
NooBmonk3y	no wonder its pants	16:47
Macer	h meter?	16:48
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NooBmonk3y	h meter?	16:48
MohammadAG	free fall?	16:48
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: well, my X restarts iirc, though it actually restarts the whole device :-P	16:49
Macer	need 7 sats for that?	16:49
SpeedEvil	No - h meter measures planks constant.	16:49
Macer	SpeedEvil: hahahaha	16:49
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, yep, as I said above	16:49
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MohammadAG	I only want X to restart	16:49
Macer	SpeedEvil: right now the h meter is running a simulation of the universe collapsing to understand its formation better?	16:50
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: given the number of elementary services started as x-session processes, I'd think it's probably impossible to restart X properly without a full reboot	16:50
MohammadAG	wfm on ubuntu :P	16:51
Macer	best theory i heard was that we were actually within the event horizon of a huge black hole :)	16:51
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: or at least that's been the rationale of Nokia devels, when they implemented it that way	16:51
derf	Macer: The universe has approximately the right density for one.	16:52
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NooBmonk3y	arghhh darn flash on ubuntu	16:54
NooBmonk3y	its ruining my golf game!	16:54
nidO	enjoying your windows alternative? :p	16:56
DocScrutinizer	Macer: you know it's possible to tunnel across the event horizon	16:57
MohammadAG	indeed it is, I've done it once	16:57
DocScrutinizer	of course for a black hole the size of our universe, this effect is extremely rare	16:57
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NooBmonk3y	nidO, all apart from a) not got the windows progs running yet, b) external hard disk is hidden (well not easy for the missus to find), c) flash is rubbish!	16:58
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DocScrutinizer	for black holes the size they think they see in LHC, this tunneling effect reduces lifespan of the entity to less than is needed to acregate a single new elementary particle	16:59
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roadi	does anyone know how to flash the n900 if the flasher does not find the n900? (i did the apt-get dist-upgrade... :( )	17:03
NooBmonk3y	:\|	17:03
NooBmonk3y	but lol to running that	17:03
nidO	flash it using a system that isnt win7 x64	17:03
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DocScrutinizer	roadi: start flasher, then plug in powered-off N900	17:07
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DocScrutinizer	Macer: see Bekenstein-Hawking radiation	17:10
ZogG	DocScrutinizer stop lying to people	17:11
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RST38h	Doc: Accept the Tentacled One, you heathen!	17:12
kerio	cthulhu or the FSM?	17:12
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kerio	OR BOTH?!?!	17:13
ZogG	roadi, download ubuntu live cd	17:13
ZogG	and use flash manual	17:13
ZogG	~flashing	17:13
infobot	somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	17:13
ZogG	~flash	17:13
infobot	well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	17:13
MohammadAG	kerio, chtulhu	17:13
jase21	Hi, Is there anything in particular that I should look when buying a Nokia N900.?	17:14
RST38h	Hehe, some libertarian fools propose to make the busiest air travel day of the year "the national opt-out day" where everyone opts out of the scanner and goes to strip searchers	17:15
DocScrutinizer	jase21: err	17:15
RST38h	Speaking of shooting oneself in the foot...	17:15
DocScrutinizer	that's :o)	17:16
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jase21	DocScrutinizer: Ok.	17:16
ZogG	i would liek to volontuer to work at this day	17:16
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jase21	Software errors right?	17:16
DocScrutinizer	jase21: ok what?	17:16
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ZogG	jase21, yes there are made in china and korea	17:16
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DocScrutinizer	jase21: sorry, I don't get your point	17:18
jase21	If Maemo boots and if there isn't any glitch, I can assume that its fine. Is there any way to detect errors in specific?	17:18
DocScrutinizer	which errors?	17:18
jase21	DocScrutinizer: You meant error isn't it? err <- error?	17:19
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DocScrutinizer	jase21: it's been suggested to check FM TX immediately after purchase, as there've been 2 reports (or 3) about the transmitter not working in hw	17:20
DocScrutinizer	jase21: I meant errrhm	17:20
jase21	DocScrutinizer: Hah! Okay. I misinterpreted it. Okay, I'll test that.	17:21
DocScrutinizer	jase21: but there's nothing special you can actually do. Just test the device thoroughly in all aspects, not too long after purchase	17:21
jase21	DocScrutinizer: Okay.	17:22
DocScrutinizer	headphones, FMTX, FMRX, WLAN, CIR, PC connectivity (USB)...	17:22
DocScrutinizer	BT	17:22
ZogG	jase21 just don't buy it	17:22
ZogG	buy something else	17:23
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, is there a better way? :	17:23
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc \| grep version \| awk '{print $7}' \| sed 's/version_hostmode=//g'	17:23
MohammadAG	20101110	17:23
ZogG	buy nexus1	17:23
ZogG	=)	17:23
DocScrutinizer	yes	17:23
jase21	What? Nexus1? Why? Is it better than N900?	17:24
jase21	DocScrutinizer: Okay, all the hardware functionality	17:25
RST38h	Mohammad:Integrated your change. Will sendto autobuilder tonight, if everything is ok	17:25
SpeedEvil	All the keyboards.	17:25
SpeedEvil	All the letters I mean	17:25
RST38h	jase21: Yes, it is way better, go buy it.	17:25
MohammadAG	RST38h, yay :D	17:25
RST38h	(and then you become someother forum's headache)	17:25
jase21	Nope. I'm not liking Android. I like GNU/Linux so that I can program using GTK+ and pure C. I hate evil Java.	17:26
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: echo "xxx ccc vvv bbb version_hostmode=12345"\|sed 's/.version_hostmode=$.$/\1/'	17:27
RST38h	jase: Ok, then buy yourself a GNU/Linux	17:27
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jase21	RST38h: Heh! Maemo ;)	17:27
RST38h	Maemo is not Gnu =)	17:28
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc \| grep version \| sed 's/.version_hostmode=$.$/\1/'	17:28
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MohammadAG	20101110	17:28
MohammadAG	thakns	17:28
MohammadAG	thanks even	17:28
jase21	RST38h: Isn't it built on top of Debian? Atleast I don't have to jailbreak. Isn't it?	17:28
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: forget grep version	17:29
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, err, if I did that I'd get all lines from /proc/driver/musb_hdrc	17:29
jase21	RST38h: I'm seriously asking, is there any problem with N900. I'm going to shell out a lot of money, and I don't want to be disappointed.	17:30
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: umm, I see	17:30
RST38h	jase: Of course there is a problem!	17:31
jacekowski	jase21: it's not built on top of debian	17:31
jacekowski	jase21: only thing common with debian is package manager	17:31
roadi	DocScrutinizer: ZogG i have installed the .deb file - and the flasher is waiting for the device... i've read the wiki.	17:31
jase21	Oh	17:32
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RST38h	it is built on top of msdos	17:33
jase21	jackowski: Oh, so does it differ a lot from the desktop (conventional Linux)?	17:33
MohammadAG	lol	17:33
jase21	Hmm.. DOS hah!	17:33
jase21	Why do you say to get an Android?	17:34
nidO	jase21: it uses busybox rather than a full shell, and it uses hildon as its' desktop environment	17:34
jase21	Yes, hildon is based on GTK+	17:35
jase21	I don't have any first hand experience using or programming for N900. I did a little research & read some doc.	17:35
kerio	meh, you use qt or gtk+ for the GUI	17:36
kerio	it's closer to desktop linux than anything else	17:36
jase21	kerio: Yes. I prefer GTK+. Not a big fan of C++.	17:37
kerio	pyqt!	17:38
MohammadAG	sigh, why does the Qt SDK installer fail on Ubuntu.	17:38
kerio	or pyside	17:38
MohammadAG	kerio, Python sucks	17:39
kerio	lies!	17:39
MohammadAG	Can not find '/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/cache/arm-2007q3-51sb6-gdb71-arm-none-linux-gnueabi_linux_x86_64.tar.bz2' -- no such file.	17:40
MohammadAG	the fuck	17:40
NooBmonk3y	whats a decent dynip style app for ubuntu?	17:41
NooBmonk3y	or dyndns*	17:41
RST38h	Mohammad: Is there a Linux where it does not fail?	17:42
NooBmonk3y	fail	17:42
MohammadAG	oh, wrong architecture	17:42
NooBmonk3y	lol	17:42
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MohammadAG	I forgot I downloaded it for the netbook which was 32-bit	17:43
jase21	:D	17:43
RST38h	Thou shalt use only geniune Intel hardware!	17:43
RST38h	;)	17:43
alterego	Heh	17:43
* MohammadAG throws a broadcom card at RST38h		17:43
RST38h	disgusting!	17:44
alterego	yuk	17:44
MohammadAG	it was meant as an insult	17:44
MohammadAG	:P	17:44
RST38h	(ok, ok, it could have been RaLink or, sigh, SiS)	17:44
* MohammadAG throws a RaLink at RST38h		17:44
* MohammadAG cuddles the atheros card he has in the netbook		17:45
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: echo -e "sdf\neagdaf\nsedsd version_hostmode=12345"\|sed 's/.version_hostmode=$.$/\1/; t done; D; : done; q'	17:46
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aep	can i disable automatic window switching on the hildon wm somehow? or is there an alternative wm?	17:46
MohammadAG	wow, nice!	17:46
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MohammadAG	aep, not to my knowledge, at least not if you edit the source	17:47
aep	right. thanks	17:47
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jase21	Anyone preferring Android ?	17:47
RST38h	We all LURRRRVE Android	17:48
jase21	Heh.	17:48
RST38h	So green, so cuddly, you can stroke that Dalvik VM for hours!	17:48
DocScrutinizer	andridiot? yeah, adore	17:48
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jase21	AndroO.. hah!	17:49
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RST38bis	somebody please /msg me	17:49
jase21	Seems like we have a couple of RSTs	17:49
nidO	well from a consumer point of view android does just mostly work, is pretty functional, and ofc has its' good tie-ins to google's services	17:49
DocScrutinizer	jase21: except for a few weirdos, everybody here bought a maemo device beause they prefer maemo	17:49
jase21	DocScrutinizer: Yes, that's what I expected before someone told Android. I think RST38h bought AndroO.	17:50
RST38bis	c9l	17:50
RST38bis	cool	17:50
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MohammadAG	RST38h, testing my patch? thou dare doubt my work!	17:51
RST38h	Mohammad: Have to be sure, before submitting it to AB	17:51
RST38h	BTW, how do I turn off the mo#$%$%ng feature of not repeating keys in PR1.2+?	17:51
jase21	nidO: Yes, for normal customers.	17:52
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DocScrutinizer	next one to say SiS gets ~lart	17:54
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MohammadAG	gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true	17:54
jase21	~SiS	17:54
infobot	sis is probably lame. Silicon Integrated Systems	17:54
DocScrutinizer	~lart jase21	17:55
* infobot explains, ever so gently, that if jase21 doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help		17:55
RST38h	Aahahaha	17:55
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RST38h	I now know the person who suggested this misfeature: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421	17:55
povbot	Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number	17:55
jase21	What does lart means?	17:55
RST38h	Mohammad: thanks =)	17:55
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DocScrutinizer	~wtf lart	17:56
infobot	LART: luser attitude readjustment tool (ie, hammer)	17:56
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jase21	Did infobot warn me something?	17:57
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MohammadAG	I so hate that bug RST38h	17:57
DocScrutinizer	jase21: nevermind	17:57
MohammadAG	it's one of those bugs that should've stayed as a WONTFIX	17:57
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jase21	DocScrutinizer: Oh! Relieved. I'm a bit new to the whole irc thing.	17:58
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DocScrutinizer	~lart Alia Merali, for bug #5421	17:58
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5421 keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number	17:58
* infobot follow's Alia Merali, with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for bug #5421		17:58
DocScrutinizer	hehe	17:58
RST38h	Mohammad: Instead, the keyboard layout switch bug stayed ad WONTFIX	17:59
RST38h	as	17:59
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RST38h	Mohammad: Forcing large slices of world population set their n900s to Russian keyboard	17:59
DocScrutinizer	WONTFIX?? INVALID escalated WTF?! BS!	18:00
* RST38h loves how most half-assed policy decisions start with "wouldn't it be nice..."		18:01
DocScrutinizer	LOL	18:01
RST38h	Hell, every time I see these words, I can almost feel the clusterfuck coming.	18:01
aep	you'd be suprised how fast crap like that ends up on a requirements list	18:02
* DocScrutinizer thinks his MTHEL automatic target detection needs a new pattern		18:02
RST38h	Yea...	18:02
* aep considers opening a bug "it would be nice if you'd revert that"		18:02
DocScrutinizer	which tells us quite a bit about who's in charge to write those requirement specs	18:03
RST38h	Doc: It took them less than 2 months to add this "feature"	18:03
DocScrutinizer	aep: GOOO!	18:03
jase21	Is there anyone who doesn't use a screen protector?	18:04
DocScrutinizer	me	18:04
jase21	ok.	18:04
DocScrutinizer	new screen is ~60EUR	18:04
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jase21	oh, didn't know the screens could be replaced.	18:04
nidO	i dont have one	18:05
jase21	Will any Nokia Care center do that?	18:05
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DocScrutinizer	yes	18:05
jase21	Okay.	18:05
DocScrutinizer	though you add another 40 bucks on top for the dude doing it	18:06
nidO	if you're brave/competant enough you can just buy the screen and do it yourself and not have to pay an assload more	18:06
jase21	yes, got it. ;) heh.	18:06
RST38h	Doc: Not around here	18:07
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I'm amazed you're even allowed to own any Nokia	18:08
DocScrutinizer	(you==people of Russia)	18:08
jase21	Did anyone get Flash 10.1 working :( ?	18:08
RST38h	Doc: Yea, yea, and the bears prowling the street, and no refrigerators...	18:09
jase21	RST38h: You are not allowed? Are you in school or something where phones aren't allowed?	18:09
DocScrutinizer	all a conspiracy of Putin and UPS	18:09
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DocScrutinizer	and customs of course	18:09
DocScrutinizer	they sent the bears	18:10
RST38h	Doc: Actually, if I remember correctly, they are not allowed to own Nokia stock here	18:10
RST38h	Doc: Not that it stopped anyone willing to trade on the stock market from doing so, of course	18:10
DocScrutinizer	well, actually I'm even more amazed COCOM has allowed to ship N900 to Russia ;-)	18:11
DocScrutinizer	you could use it to simulate fission	18:12
RST38h	I amsure some eurobureaucrat will get fired for this sooner or later.	18:12
DocScrutinizer	hehehe	18:12
* jase21 things Russians are deadly. ooh		18:13
aep	RST38h, DocScrutinizer: #11577 although i'm 100% certain no one gives a shit. At least it made me smile.	18:13
* DocScrutinizer envisions a secret lab in Ural, with a 50.000 N900 beowulf		18:13
DocScrutinizer	bug #11577	18:14
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11577 keys when long pressed should repeat the key	18:14
DocScrutinizer	I'll vote for that	18:14
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DocScrutinizer	:-D	18:14
RST38h	aep: thanks	18:14
jacekowski	jase21: there is no flash 10.1	18:14
* RST38h votes		18:14
jacekowski	jase21: for maemo	18:14
jacekowski	jase21: only for android	18:14
RST38h	jacekowski: well, there is ...	18:14
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jase21	jacekowski: okay, but Kevin Lynch demoed it once.	18:15
jacekowski	it's TI internal version	18:15
jase21	May be Adobe care less	18:15
RST38h	Not really	18:15
jase21	okay.	18:15
RST38h	It is Adobe's version that it compiled for ARMv7 arch for evaluation purposes	18:15
jacekowski	RST38h: that flash somebody linked here is a fake	18:15
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jase21	Is the Mozilla browser html 5 compatible?	18:17
jase21	(the one in N900)?	18:17
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jacekowski	no	18:18
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jacekowski	nothing is html 5 compatible	18:18
jase21	ok	18:18
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RST38h	btw, what is the best way to resize /opt?	18:19
jacekowski	modify eMMC image	18:20
Necc	resize mmcblk0p2	18:20
Necc	http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.237:_arbitrary_size_for_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_.28PR_1.2.2F3_compatible.29	18:20
jase21	One doubt: Is maemo based on any distro? Apart from the package management which is .deb?	18:21
jase21	Did Nokia made it from scratch adapting the linux kernel to its hardware?	18:21
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jacekowski	jase21: it's not	18:21
jacekowski	jase21: they adapted lot of debian conventions	18:21
jase21	jacekowski: Means its a custom one, right?	18:21
alterego	yeah, it's custom	18:22
jacekowski	but that's all	18:22
jase21	oh. okay.	18:22
jase21	Heard that MeeGo is using .rpm. Nokia pushing Qt, and Intel favoring GTK. Doesn't know where it ends up.	18:24
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jase21	Is there something you would say that Maemo is lacking & you wish you had that ?	18:27
Necc	nop	18:27
jase21	okay. May be I can think of making something along with my learning of GTK.	18:27
Necc	for N900 Maemo 5 is simply the best OS at the moment	18:27
Necc	other OSes lacks a lot in functionality or efficiency	18:28
RST38h	Necc: thanks	18:28
jase21	okay. Any applications in particular?	18:28
Necc	for?	18:28
jase21	N900 (Maemo)?	18:28
RST38h	for repartitioning hints url	18:29
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jase21	RST38h: Are you from Russia?	18:29
Necc	RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/n900/pt_table	18:29
Necc	this file contains partition table for ~7GB /home, if you wish use that	18:30
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DocScrutinizer	RST38h: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	18:34
jase21	Is it possible to shut down a core if you have a dual core processor? Any idea? Just asking? (not maemo specific)	18:34
DocScrutinizer	yes	18:35
alterego	Compile a kernel without smp support :)	18:35
DocScrutinizer	there are OS specific means	18:36
jase21	No, I must be able to use both, just in power saving mode or like that.	18:36
DocScrutinizer	no	18:36
jase21	Doc: okay	18:36
DocScrutinizer	in PSM there are all CPUs disabled	18:37
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jase21	Wouldn't it be better that Intel, ARM design it like that. An instruction that can shut that a core.	18:37
* jase21 doesn't know what PSM is. Googling it.		18:37
jase21	What is PSM? Didn't get it/	18:38
Necc	power saving mode?	18:38
jase21	Ahh.. heh	18:39
Necc	anyway it is controlled by the hardware itself + BIOS, you can not touch this	18:39
jase21	ok.	18:40
jase21	I was thinking that if such thing can be made it would be better.	18:40
chx	i would say it depends	18:40
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jase21	Doc: My situation is: we choose low performance mode & it will shut some cores. Not simple reduce the clock.	18:41
jase21	Doc: In PSM, the system sleeps. Right?	18:42
chx	I know that the Santa Rosa platform could do it	18:42
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chx	and Mac laptops were doing it	18:42
chx	but the results were quite absymal	18:42
jase21	oh.	18:42
chx	your screen and wifi eats so much more power than a core.	18:42
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ShadowJK	I don't remember if it's i3/i5/i7, or Phenom I or II that can run cores at different speeds and even have one core in deepest C-state while another is awake	18:42
jase21	cool!	18:43
DocScrutinizer	run to idle	18:43
DocScrutinizer	google for it	18:43
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jase21	ok.	18:43
derf	ShadowJK: I doubt that's i7... all the shared caches would make that meaningless, even if true.	18:44
derf	Also a fun fact: putting the CPU into deep sleep states makes the built-in Intel GPU slower, because of the shared memory controller.	18:45
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ShadowJK	I guess on x86 it still slows down the memory controller too :/	18:46
ShadowJK	and caches	18:46
pupnik	for those deep-sleep gaming extravaganzas	18:46
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DocScrutinizer	sorry, "run to idle" seems the wrong term. SpeedEvil, can you help me out?	18:47
derf	"Race to idle"	18:47
DocScrutinizer	http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/applications-power-management/race-to-idle.php	18:48
DocScrutinizer	thanks	18:48
jase21	In Santa Rosa, caches (L2) can be completely shut down.	18:49
DocScrutinizer	jase21: ^^^ been for you	18:50
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jase21	yes. I'm reading that article.	18:50
DocScrutinizer	same principle applies to disabling cores	18:51
RST38h	deathmarch to idle!	18:51
jase21	umm.. ok.	18:51
RST38h	AKA starve whoever you can	18:51
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jase21	Is there heat dissipation in N900? Its an internet tablet (close to a pc). So how is it managed. I guess fan mechanism isn't appropriate.	18:55
jase21	And no cooling circuits (liquids), right? Any idea?	18:56
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NooBmonk3y	jase21, by using as little power as possible lol :P	18:57
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Kegetys	convection	18:57
jase21	okay, that's reasonable answer. But if its clocked to 1GHz, that the rate at which it takes place might be slow.	18:59
jase21	Will that damage the system?	18:59
jase21	I read that overclocking may brick (hard) the device.	19:00
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, correct kernel API checking added	19:00
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: cool :-D	19:01
DocScrutinizer	now implement the same in preinstall script and rise a notifier warning when kernel doesn't support hostmode. Allow installation of h-e-n GUI nevertheless	19:02
alterego	Wow, My N900 has been lasting ages.	19:02
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, with dependencies on kernel-feature-usbhost?	19:02
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MohammadAG	anyone can add that to Provides:	19:03
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: hmm, I'm indecisive about that	19:03
alterego	Bored, wanna write a small Qml app but can't think of anything.	19:03
* jase21 remeembers that MohammadAG is working on Host-mode USB. He saw the maemo talk posts. Good people! He doesn't recognize other names.		19:04
MohammadAG	:/	19:04
MohammadAG	I'm only working on the UI, credits to Paul for the patches	19:04
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: AIUI power kernel has "Provides: kernel-feature-usbhost"? Then probably we should use that instead of the preinstall check	19:05
MohammadAG	yup	19:05
jase21	ok. I meant DocScrutinizer, and R.38h etc	19:05
MohammadAG	RST38h isn't paul lol	19:05
jase21	I think they are having different usernames.	19:05
MohammadAG	Paul isn't here, he hates #maemo	19:06
jase21	Heh.	19:06
pupnik	http://cdn0.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/funny-iphone-app-2.jpg Social Networking	19:06
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, do you know of a way to remove applets from the status menu?	19:06
MohammadAG	want to remove the battery one	19:07
DocScrutinizer	edit the friggin (XML) config file	19:07
DocScrutinizer	there's some somewhere, I occasionally run into it	19:07
DocScrutinizer	iirc	19:07
MohammadAG	without killing the status menu right?	19:07
DocScrutinizer	sure	19:08
DocScrutinizer	check what apps adding an applet do	19:08
DocScrutinizer	like simple brightness, load	19:08
DocScrutinizer	but maybe that's just for the menu, don't know	19:08
MohammadAG	I think the stutus menu watches the directory of applets	19:09
MohammadAG	status*	19:09
DocScrutinizer	for sure it's not the method of choice for dynamically enable and disable applets	19:09
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I'm a poor source of info for that. Please ask @*	19:10
jase21	Hey, heard that facebook is going to launch email service tomorrow (Monday). Excited?	19:10
alterego	jase21: not really, there are loads of email services ..	19:10
alterego	Some would say too many ...	19:11
MohammadAG	done	19:11
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, just move the desktop file :D	19:11
DocScrutinizer	duh, that simple?	19:11
jase21	alterego: Heh! okay, not all of them are good. I find only gmail as good ones.	19:11
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu# mv status-area-applet-battery.desktop /	19:11
DocScrutinizer	dynamically, w/o reboot?	19:11
MohammadAG	yep	19:11
DocScrutinizer	FFS :-D	19:12
MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> I think the stutus menu watches the directory of applets	19:12
MohammadAG	now we don't have to worry about users thinking the battery is low, there is no battery applet muhaha	19:13
jase21	:D	19:13
DocScrutinizer	I'd feel much better if a dynamic temporary switch-off of e.g batery applet would auto-revert on boot time	19:13
MohammadAG	it would go back when closing the app	19:14
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MohammadAG	i.e disable bme -> remove applet, enable bme -> bring it back	19:14
MohammadAG	actually, bring back applet then enable bme, as if battery is empty, enabling bme may cause a shutdown if battery is empty -> applet lost	19:14
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: so if you do such tweaks, make sure you have a init script run on boot, to mv /mytempappdeact/* /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu	19:15
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, http://i52.tinypic.com/33e3hv9.jpg	19:15
MohammadAG	why? it's done upon closing the app	19:15
DocScrutinizer	what if I remove the battery?	19:15
MohammadAG	you got me :P	19:16
MohammadAG	if only the N900 was an N8, you wouldn't be removing batteries then would you?! :P	19:16
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MohammadAG	hmm, bad news	19:18
jase21	?	19:18
DocScrutinizer	it doesn't work :-P	19:18
MohammadAG	when moving the .desktop file back, the applet doesn't show in the status menu	19:18
DocScrutinizer	hehe	19:18
MohammadAG	it shows in the extended one, but not the small one	19:18
NooBmonk3y	hmmmmmmmm	19:19
NooBmonk3y	ok right, back to qt	19:19
NooBmonk3y	omg (looking up) its the Mo & Doc Show....	19:19
DocScrutinizer	and now special appearance of the sidekick	19:20
DocScrutinizer	:-P	19:21
pupnik	http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo << ever saw that one?	19:22
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chus	Hi,	19:23
chus	I have a doubt.	19:23
chus	Is there an equivalent function for hildon_mime_open_file in python?	19:23
MohammadAG	oh well, killall it is	19:23
jase21	pupnik: nice.	19:24
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, can you confirm killall hildon-status-menu doesn't cause a reboot?	19:24
DocScrutinizer	yes	19:25
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* jase21 will get back later. He says #maemo is awesome.		19:27
jase21	Good night guys! Bye.	19:27
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: be aware that's not exactly a lightweight operation, and may cause side effects. I got "connect" sound	19:27
jase21	Will see later.	19:27
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ...so you don't want to use that for making battery icon flash :-P	19:29
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, connect?	19:29
DocScrutinizer	the green dot	19:29
MohammadAG	hmm?	19:30
MohammadAG	takes a couple seconds to start again	19:31
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: basically all applets are restarted - obviously. Some may do things on restart you didn't expect	19:31
DocScrutinizer	like playback sounds	19:31
MohammadAG	I see	19:31
DocScrutinizer	some may massively misbehave	19:32
MohammadAG	no cleaner way sadly :/	19:32
DocScrutinizer	:nod:	19:32
MohammadAG	till jrbme is out at least	19:32
DocScrutinizer	just make sure there's a gconf or whatever to disable that	19:32
geaaru	hi, i have update my n900 but now i have problem with audio, if i try to call alsamixer i have unale to connect to pulseaudio server	19:32
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geaaru	where can i found some logs?	19:33
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, mount.sh now checks if mount was successful, if so, it opens the file manager (as per N8)	19:35
DocScrutinizer	hmm, I'd hate that	19:36
MohammadAG	also, unmounting is done when the app is closed	19:36
MohammadAG	before VBUS is stopped of course	19:36
DocScrutinizer	what if umount fails?	19:37
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MohammadAG	it's better than no umount :P	19:38
MohammadAG	<DocScrutinizer> hmm, I'd hate that	19:39
DocScrutinizer	sure	19:39
MohammadAG	suggestions?	19:39
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DocScrutinizer	not really, as I gather "mount" is a temporary thing anyway. So I don't bother too much what it's doing	19:40
MohammadAG	yep, it should be temporary, till ke-recv is hit on the head	19:40
DocScrutinizer	:-D	19:41
MohammadAG	but that's what N8x0 did afaik	19:41
MohammadAG	at least from the vids I saw	19:41
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, no idea	19:41
opdf2	how long does it take to charge empty n900 battery connected mass usb storage?	19:41
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opdf2	Is there a charge difference between PC suite and USB mode?	19:42
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Macer	ugh. i still have a cold. sucks	19:42
DocScrutinizer	look, why would I want to see that HFM BS when I plug in a stick with a video? I'd prefer to see the media file in media player (hmm a really bad example, but you might get the idea)	19:43
Macer	but at least it only happens like once every 3 years or so.. so i should be ok	19:43
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, yeah, but auto handling of that isn't on the N8x0 afaik, or the N8 (or even my PC :P)	19:44
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, and really, you want tracker to look for videos and open them? :P	19:44
RST38h	actually,I would suspect seeing ANY extra "helpful" shit when inserting USB drives is a bad idea	19:44
MohammadAG	"HFM BS" is faster than tracker, by a bit	19:44
RST38h	Mohammad,Doc: By the way, as I am sending the new version of xchat to AB, do you want me to do anything extra with cehteh's notification plugin?	19:45
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: (umount) ...actually is a function you could argue has to be in h-e-n. So I suggest you pop up a list with processes that have file handles to the device. So user can close them and retry to umount	19:45
ShadowJK	AB?	19:45
RST38h	autobuilder	19:45
DocScrutinizer	make default disable, RST38h	19:46
MohammadAG	RST38h, nope, doesn't annoy me as it is :)	19:46
RST38h	hmm, ok	19:46
DocScrutinizer	maybe even better, make the setting persistent	19:46
MohammadAG	maybe making auto FM opening configurable would be better?	19:47
RST38h	cannot	19:47
DocScrutinizer	i c	19:47
MohammadAG	lol it's not that bad :)	19:47
MohammadAG	RST38h, haven't looked at xchat's code, but maybe add a GUI enable/disable option?	19:47
DocScrutinizer	make it an addon pkg?	19:48
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: impossible, that would be meaningless when the plugin isn't there	19:48
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RST38h	Mohammad: won't do for an external plugin	19:48
DocScrutinizer	:-)	19:48
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, RST38h then make it check if the plugin's there at runtime, and show/hide the option :)	19:49
DocScrutinizer	I knew he'd say that	19:49
DocScrutinizer	:-P	19:49
RST38h	as I said, the plugin is external, the base xchat code is not supposed to know anything about it	19:49
alterego	I think my N900 has lasted so long because I'm using wifi instead of 3G today ..	19:49
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ShadowJK	do you use irc, im (skype, gtalk, msn, etc), twitter or facbook widgets?	19:50
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: basically the plugin is in duty to store settings to xchat.cfg	19:50
RST38h	Doc: Tell cehteh =)	19:50
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DocScrutinizer	yeah	19:51
Dhraakellian	I thin kI may have screwed something up on my n900	19:51
DocScrutinizer	so make it default disabled	19:51
alterego	ShadowJK: IM yeah	19:51
ShadowJK	or ~/.xchat2/maemonotify.conf	19:51
Dhraakellian	fortunately, I think it should be a f airly easy fix, since I can still get filesystem access through NITDroid	19:51
RST38h	Gerbick gets hit by the nostalgy train: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65591	19:51
ShadowJK	alterego, which?	19:51
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alterego	facebook, msn, ovi	19:51
Dhraakellian	Where would the hildon desktop settings be?	19:52
MohammadAG	Skype's a battery rapist	19:52
ShadowJK	alterego, and yeah, a single byte of data transmitted is about same power draw as 10Mbit/s for 1s. All the frequent background comms adds up :-)	19:52
Dhraakellian	I was fiddling around with the settings tweaker and set the grid snap distance to 0	19:52
ShadowJK	it's much better on edge	19:52
Dhraakellian	..and I think that's what's causing trouble	19:52
MohammadAG	yes, it shouldn't be changed from 4	19:52
Dhraakellian	although I did install mauku-widget, which also seems to have caused some trouble	19:52
ShadowJK	I keep my phone in 2g most of the time to reduce power cinsumption since I run xchat 24/7	19:53
Dhraakellian	but not so much	19:53
MohammadAG	(iirc)	19:53
RST38h	Shadow: How long does it last?	19:53
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: do you know what file that would be stored in?	19:53
MohammadAG	/usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini, bottom of the file usually	19:53
Dhraakellian	the phone keeps shutting down now, but I can fortunately still get in with NITDroid	19:53
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ShadowJK	RST38h, 10 hours, but that's constant xchat, 6 hours of mp3 playback, and 1-2 hours of surfing too	19:55
ShadowJK	day wiithout the music and web, probably	19:55
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Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: thanks	19:56
Dhraakellian	crud... I seem to have to edit the file directly on-device inside NITDroid, since it doesn't seem to want to actually mount on the computer	19:56
DocScrutinizer	ShadowJK: ack, 24h with irc only	19:56
DocScrutinizer	depending on traffic of course	19:57
ShadowJK	A bit more if I activate my powersave script on my bouncer server :-)	19:57
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ShadowJK	(it blocks traffic to my N900 for 2 minutes, then unblocks until all pending data has been sent, then blocks 2 minutes, repeat)	19:58
DocScrutinizer	SHARE!	19:58
ShadowJK	It requires that you access irc through a bouncer, and that you have root and iptables on that server, and that your n900 has a static IP	19:59
ShadowJK	;p	19:59
ShadowJK	so it's probably not useful to anyone else	20:00
DocScrutinizer	static IP :-/ .oO(??¬đ²¼²##!@)	20:00
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DocScrutinizer	I dare to state I'm savvy to find a fix for that	20:00
DocScrutinizer	everything else 'check'	20:01
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DocScrutinizer	anyway o/	20:02
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: I'm not seeing it	20:02
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MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, how did you mount maemo's rootfs?	20:03
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: I'm looking around in NITDroid	20:03
MohammadAG	and how would you edit maemo's rootfs with nitdroid without mounting it?	20:03
Dhraakellian	hmm	20:03
MohammadAG	use this http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd	20:04
alterego	meego ..	20:04
NooBmonk3y	W000t need more qt help again	20:04
Dhraakellian	ah	20:04
NooBmonk3y	now ubuntu sdoesnt like it	20:04
alterego	Heh	20:04
NooBmonk3y	when trying to install qt mobility i get this http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/8sd1bt4c/Selection_001.png	20:04
Dhraakellian	found it under /initrd	20:04
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, apt-get install libqt4-dev	20:05
MohammadAG	with sudo of coruse	20:05
NooBmonk3y	okies	20:05
MohammadAG	alterego, any idea how I can get scrollable QPushButtons with Qt?	20:05
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NooBmonk3y	scrollable pushbuttons?	20:05
NooBmonk3y	whatya mean?	20:05
alterego	Or download a decent qt-creator which comes with 4.7	20:06
MohammadAG	err, course*	20:06
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NooBmonk3y	alterego, done that.....	20:06
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, sorta like fapman's settings dialog	20:06
NooBmonk3y	i swapped to ubuntu cos it would be easier, and the only reason was qt and packaging lol	20:06
alterego	MohammadAG: do you mean a scrollable area with buttons in a list.	20:06
MohammadAG	yep	20:06
NooBmonk3y	meh dont use fapman	20:06
alterego	easy :P	20:06
MohammadAG	even with the designer? :P	20:07
alterego	Crap ..	20:07
NooBmonk3y	easy and crap? lol	20:07
tugrik	anyone fought iCal importing with gpe-calendar and won?	20:07
NooBmonk3y	descriptive	20:07
alterego	I don't have my laptop so I can't give you the source :P	20:07
NooBmonk3y	lol	20:07
MohammadAG	tugrik, no, I lost a limb to it	20:07
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MohammadAG	(jk)	20:08
alterego	Use QScrollArea	20:08
alterego	Create a QWidget, use VBoxLayout, add buttons to the layout.	20:08
NooBmonk3y	hmm is this a device problem or local problem?	20:08
NooBmonk3y	/usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	20:08
NooBmonk3y	its the build error	20:08
NooBmonk3y	after it is supposedly running on the device	20:08
alterego	the use QScrollArea::setWidget(widget)	20:08
alterego	and that's it.	20:09
MohammadAG	alterego, is it possible with a QMainWindow?	20:10
MohammadAG	/scratchbox/users/mohammad/home/mohammad/scratchbox/hostmode-build-maemo/../hostmode/settingswindow.cpp:13: error: cannot call member function 'void QScrollArea::setWidget(QWidget*)' without object	20:11
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NooBmonk3y	meh apt-get install libqt4-maemo5-declarative should work	20:11
Choom	greetings	20:11
NooBmonk3y	aghhhh	20:11
NooBmonk3y	doesnt work!	20:12
NooBmonk3y	apt-get install libqt4-maemo5-declarative doesnt sound good	20:12
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, watcha doing anyways	20:12
NooBmonk3y	^^	20:12
NooBmonk3y	/usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	20:12
Choom	little stupid question here: if I flash the NAND do I run the risk of bricking my N900 for good?	20:12
NooBmonk3y	its the build error	20:12
NooBmonk3y	when i try to run maecount from Qtcreator on the n900	20:12
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, you do realize you're doing this on ubuntu, not in the SDK right?	20:13
NooBmonk3y	so i'm assuming somethings suddenly not on my device?	20:13
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, still trying to run it on my device as i would in windows	20:13
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, apt-get install libqt4-experimental-declarative on your device	20:14
NooBmonk3y	experimental? eeeeeeeek	20:16
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alterego	MohammadAG: Sure just set the mainwindows' central widget to the scroll area	20:16
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, take a look in #meego, think he will fall for it? ;)	20:17
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NooBmonk3y	:P	20:17
MohammadAG	/scratchbox/users/mohammad/home/mohammad/scratchbox/hostmode-build-maemo/../hostmode/settingswindow.cpp:14: error: cannot call member function 'void QScrollArea::setWidget(QWidget*)' without object alterego	20:17
alterego	Heh, I need to find someone to pick up my doggy bag and send it to me :(	20:17
NooBmonk3y	:\|	20:17
alterego	I wanna t-shirt :(	20:18
NooBmonk3y	i want to win the lottery	20:18
MohammadAG	oh!	20:18
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* MohammadAG thinks he got it right, expects segfault		20:19
MohammadAG	...sees nothing instead	20:19
NooBmonk3y	nothing is better than bollox	20:20
NooBmonk3y	or lcuk covered in bacon.... either is pretty bad	20:20
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NooBmonk3y	evening Venemo_N900	20:21
Venemo_N900	hey guys	20:21
Venemo_N900	hi NooBmonk3y :)	20:21
MohammadAG	LOL alterego I got it scrolling sideways instead of up/down	20:21
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, installed the experimental, still getting : /usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	20:21
Venemo_N900	I'm ashamed to ask, but where is the FM transmitter in the N900's menu?	20:21
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MohammadAG	Settings > FM Transmitter :)	20:21
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Venemo_N900	I remember having it in Settings on the previous one	20:22
Venemo_N900	but it is not there on this one	20:22
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Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: that's what I thought, but it's not there	20:22
MohammadAG	install fmtx-faker by qwerty12	20:23
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: I thought that was for regions in which it is disabled	20:23
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NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, I r Dumbass	20:24
MohammadAG	well if it's not there I guess it's disabled :P	20:24
NooBmonk3y	QT += core gui network instead of QT += core gui network declarative in the pro file ;)	20:24
alterego	MohammadAG: I'll be back home in half an hour so if you do something else for a bit I'll sort you out when I get home ;)	20:24
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: solved it, thx	20:25
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Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: so you were missing declarative from your .pro?	20:26
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MohammadAG	hmm, [29106.521913] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card	20:27
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NooBmonk3y	Venemo_N900, i had it in there by accident	20:29
NooBmonk3y	didnt need it	20:29
MohammadAG	lol	20:30
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Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: so what was the problem?	20:31
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djszapi	How can I reach an 'Esc' effect on N900 ? For example I edit a file with vi, but I would like to leave the edit mode. I have got a similar Nokia phone, not N900, but with the same keypad.	20:35
joga	onscreen buttons?	20:36
joga	I mean, below the terminal window there's a row of buttons on the touchscreen, there's esc on the n900	20:37
djszapi	I do not know that is I have never used onscreen buttons.	20:37
DocScrutinizer	qonsole (whatever TF that is) has none	20:37
joga	what's the "similar nokia phone"?	20:37
djszapi	joga: I am using Qonsole.	20:37
joga	ok, I dunno about that	20:37
djszapi	NDA, sorry...	20:37
kerio	WHAT	20:38
kerio	you have a N9, don't you	20:38
DocScrutinizer	then pester qonsole authors about that broken shit	20:38
* kerio has esc mapped to shift+fn+backspace		20:38
kerio	KEY COMBOS	20:38
kerio	\o/	20:38
djszapi	I am editing a file with vi, but I cannot leave the editing mode :)	20:39
djszapi	to quit, write, whatever :)	20:39
DocScrutinizer	obviously	20:39
Necc	did you tried typing ":quit" ?	20:39
MohammadAG	^c will do it	20:39
kerio	Necc: he's in editing mode	20:39
djszapi	in editing mode ?	20:39
MohammadAG	:x to quit	20:39
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Venemo_N900	djszapi: what sort of 'similar phone' it is?	20:39
MohammadAG	^C in editing mode	20:40
pupnik	djszapi: looking at every mobile keyboard I can - i see the 'esc' key is in danger of going extinct!	20:40
pupnik	but it's such an important meta-key	20:40
djszapi	MohammadAG: lemme try it out	20:40
kerio	report that to nokia, so we can get a good kbd on the n9!	20:40
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djszapi	MohammadAG: does not work	20:40
DocScrutinizer	ACK!	20:40
pupnik	you can't type ":" commands in editing mode, noobs	20:40
djszapi	MohammadAG: i was wrong sorry	20:41
djszapi	it works, ty.	20:41
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MohammadAG	I know you were wrong, it worksforme :P	20:41
DocScrutinizer	nevertheless: <DocScrutinizer> then pester qonsole authors about that broken shit	20:41
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kerio	i still don't get why a phone targeted to unix nerds has no alt, esc or tab key	20:41
djszapi	MohammadAG: yeah, really thank you, made my day :)	20:41
DocScrutinizer	infobot!!!! :-o	20:41
MohammadAG	what kinda of sick mind fuck does symbian use to lock memory cards?	20:42
MohammadAG	kind*	20:42
djszapi	no idea	20:42
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MohammadAG	I don't even see the card on maemo/linux :/	20:42
kerio	:( the guy with the n9 left	20:42
DocScrutinizer	bah	20:42
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: it is supposed to be some sort of standard mechanism	20:42
nidO	if it's an n9 he has then that's terrible news	20:43
Venemo_N900	kerio: what makes you think he had an N9	20:43
HRH_H_Crab	is anyone using mpd on their N900? I have found many mpd clients but I can't seem to find the server itself.	20:43
kerio	Venemo_N900: nokia phone under NDA with vi installed on it	20:43
DocScrutinizer	kerio: honestly, if that's the standard of beta testers for Nokia devices.... :-/	20:43
kerio	heh	20:43
Venemo_N900	kerio: nda?	20:43
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Venemo_N900	kerio: what is NDA?	20:44
djszapi	another question, sorry. Can you jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ?	20:44
DocScrutinizer	~wtf nda	20:44
Choom	it's a symbian phone so it doesn't really matter to me	20:44
DocScrutinizer	arrrgh she's gone	20:44
nidO	kerio: all leaked images of n9 show a 4line keyboard though, same layout as e7	20:44
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Choom	the only thing interesting about the N9 for me is the capacitive touchscreen	20:45
Necc	wow nokia finally relaized that 4line keyboards how cool?	20:45
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NooBmonk3y	Venemo_N900, no problem now, tis working! i think	20:45
nidO	nokia used to use proper 5line keyboards	20:45
DocScrutinizer	infobot: botsnack	20:45
infobot	DocScrutinizer: aw, gee	20:45
nidO	they just seem to have been shrinking recently	20:45
DocScrutinizer	~wtf nda	20:45
infobot	Gee... I don't know what nda means...	20:45
DocScrutinizer	~nda	20:45
infobot	I'm not allowed to tell you	20:45
NooBmonk3y	just figuring out qtmobility, as after a few days of hunting alot of what i try isnt supported on the n900 yet (like qfeedback)	20:45
Choom	NDA means non-disclosure agreement	20:45
DocScrutinizer	that's more like it :D	20:45
MohammadAG	Non Disclosure Agreement	20:46
Choom	i.e.: you talk about it and you get sued to oblivion	20:46
MohammadAG	polite stfu or else	20:46
Venemo_N900	oh...	20:46
Venemo_N900	so N9 it is	20:46
kerio	if nokia gives me a n9 to betatest i swear i'll post a picture for you guys here	20:46
Venemo_N900	djszapi: is it nice?	20:46
kerio	with a "U MAD #maemo" written on it	20:46
MohammadAG	lol plugged the N86 to my laptop and it rebooted	20:47
Venemo_N900	kerio: thx in advance :)	20:47
djszapi	another question, sorry. Can you jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ?	20:47
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Choom	I had a question too	20:47
Venemo_N900	djszapi: it it is a prerelease device, how are we supposed to know?	20:47
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, it's not standard, for sure, [30359.684150] EXT3-fs (loop0): error: unable to read superblock	20:48
Choom	was wondering if I could get my n900 bricked if I accidentally flashed over the bootloader in the NAND	20:48
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: hmm... maybe unlock it?	20:48
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: <infobot> I'm not allowed to tell you	20:48
DocScrutinizer	:-D	20:48
DocScrutinizer	Choom: nope	20:48
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, idk the password	20:49
Venemo_N900	~botsnack	20:49
infobot	:), Venemo_N900	20:49
Choom	so booting and pressing U works regardless of whether a bootloader is there?	20:49
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: oh.	20:49
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* MohammadAG dds to file then formats		20:49
DocScrutinizer	Choom: nope	20:49
* slonopotamus takes his n900 to repair service tomorrow		20:49
MohammadAG	I'll dd it back then ask my uncle to unlock it when he's back	20:49
* slonopotamus again.		20:49
DocScrutinizer	Choom:	20:49
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DocScrutinizer	~coldflash	20:49
infobot	rumour has it, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts	20:49
MohammadAG	Choom, no	20:50
Choom	DocScrutinizer: well I guess I can't do that	20:50
MohammadAG	Choom, but a low level bootloader exists, that allows reflashing for half a second or less	20:50
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: so if the bootloader is borked, this is the way to go?	20:50
MohammadAG	thus you need linux to cold flash, windows keep drooling for 10s before enumerating	20:50
DocScrutinizer	Choom: too bad. But why?	20:50
MohammadAG	our hostmode implementation enumerates faster	20:50
Choom	oh I see, and is it documented or is there software available for that?	20:50
DocScrutinizer	~coldflash	20:51
infobot	coldflash is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts	20:51
MohammadAG	should be wiki'd	20:51
Choom	I just want to know how far I can go without ACCIDENTALLY bricking the phone permanently	20:51
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ought	20:51
DocScrutinizer	Choom: as far as it gets without involving high voltage or sledgehammers	20:52
Choom	wow	20:52
Choom	that's awesome	20:52
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DocScrutinizer	just getting increasingly involved to recover	20:52
Choom	does the standard flasher work for coldflashes?	20:53
slonopotamus	~curse designer of n900 microusb connector	20:53
DocScrutinizer	yes	20:53
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, designer of n900 microusb connector !	20:53
Choom	great, thanks a lot	20:53
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kerio	DocScrutinizer: what about flamethrowers?	20:57
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Cold_flashing_.28N900.29	20:57
Venemo_N900	slonopotamus: broken microusb?	20:57
Choom	kerio: I was only concerned about software-induced-bricking, so that kinda answered my question	20:57
kerio	or gravity	20:58
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: nice effort, but I doubt it will do ANY good on this particular page	20:58
kerio	can i recover the n900 if i throw it from ~15mt?	20:58
Venemo_N900	kerio: gravity can kill it, for sue	20:58
Venemo_N900	kerio: sure*	20:58
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I urgently suggest to move it to a dedicated page	20:58
kerio	my mother's old 8310 survived a 5-stories fall without more than a scratch	20:58
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: noobs are confused enough by the standard instructions there	20:59
Venemo_N900	~seen lcuk	20:59
Necc	that's 8310, this is N900	20:59
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I doubt noobs will wipe the bootloader	20:59
infobot	lcuk is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'theres a group of us at the airport now sat on the bus'.	20:59
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: they will, by trying coldflash, as a last resort when "everything fails"	21:00
DocScrutinizer	PEBCAK	21:00
Necc	it will fall to pieces, receive more, then just a few scratches and has a relative high chance to become useless afterwards	21:00
jacekowski	Choom: but you may have to coldflash it on linux	21:00
Choom	that's not an issue	21:00
jacekowski	Choom: because windows can't enumerate it fast enough	21:00
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: is that article done?	21:00
jacekowski	~coldflash	21:01
infobot	i heard coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts	21:01
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: how many noobs do eMMC flash "just to be sure"?	21:01
Choom	I tend to know what I'm doing, just don't know this device in particular since I've had it for less than a week	21:01
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I've never tried to move in wikis, so I suspect I might fuck up, feel free to do it :)	21:01
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: guess how many do coldflash just because of it's there	21:01
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I lost count when I divided by 0	21:01
jacekowski	Choom: read that link that just appeared here	21:01
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you really should learn to know about lemmings and noobs	21:02
Venemo_N900	jacekowski: DocScrutinizer already showed him	21:02
Choom	and I've had "experiences of luck" in the past, while porting linux to another PDA I was lucky to not overwrite a bootloader which existence I wasn't aware at first and would have bricked the phone	21:02
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: agreed, noobs are everywhere	21:02
Choom	thanks	21:03
DocScrutinizer	I ultimatly recommend keeping things like coldflash instructions off pages that are first landing zone for clueless joe avarage user	21:03
pupnik	using Unix shell to process audio: ft < in\|awk '$2<3'\|ifft > bassline	21:04
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, Search and Destroy	21:04
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: sigh	21:04
pupnik	fft < in\|awk '{$2=($2.8+l[$2].2);l[$2]=$2}1'\|ifft > echoeffect	21:04
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DocScrutinizer	don't you think - when and if you're accepting you've done something suboptimal - then it'd be politically correct you fix it?	21:05
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, please do it, I've never done any moving on wikis	21:05
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DocScrutinizer	me neither	21:05
MohammadAG	it is	21:06
MohammadAG	oh, bummer lol	21:06
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: just make a new page, paste to it the stuff, then delete the stuff from old page	21:06
DocScrutinizer	hell there's c&p in your middle mousebutton, and tehre's rollback on wiki	21:06
pupnik	so did Dublin swallow everyone whole?	21:06
Choom	jacekowski: there are other poor guys occasionally crashing their NOLO and urban legend even from gurus is "take it to Nokia care, there's no way to flash new NOLO without a jig" <- that was exactly my case, but I always make sure before starting such urban legends, especially since I couldn't find anything conclusive online	21:06
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, heh, already deleted	21:06
MohammadAG	meanwhile, my broadcom card starts drooling	21:08
Choom	I've had this phone for less than a week and it hasn't stopped impressing me	21:08
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: anyway, many thanks for caring about moving the stuff to wiki. Much appreciated	21:08
Choom	I'm also quite leased that unlike many other ports that I've seen, maemo's kernel is not just a hack to make it work	21:09
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, can you do something in return? Fry as many broadcoms as you can	21:09
Choom	leased = pleased	21:09
jacekowski	Choom: yes it is	21:09
jacekowski	Choom: many hacks there	21:09
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: I'll muse about it while taking a shower	21:09
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing	21:09
Choom	well at least the interfaces work as expected from the outside	21:09
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: cool	21:09
MohammadAG	jacekowski, can you please confirm it's the correct sequence?	21:09
NooBmonk3y	can i ask a question about qsettings please? :)	21:10
NooBmonk3y	if i save the settings like follows : settings.setValue("label1", ui->label_1->text()); , how to i read it back in?	21:10
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, value() most probably	21:10
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MohammadAG	as with most setValue()s	21:10
NooBmonk3y	:\|	21:11
jacekowski	MohammadAG: yes	21:11
jacekowski	MohammadAG: almost	21:11
jacekowski	MohammadAG: because phone has to stay connected and powered up	21:11
jacekowski	MohammadAG: to flash it	21:11
jacekowski	MohammadAG: so no starting it with "u" key pressed	21:12
MohammadAG	well obviously that won't work without a bootloader	21:12
jacekowski	so next thing you have to do is normal flash command with a flasher	21:12
MohammadAG	so after those commands, just run the flasher command to flash the bootloader?	21:12
jacekowski	straight after coldflash	21:13
jacekowski	yes	21:13
DocScrutinizer	best add it to cmdline with &&	21:13
DocScrutinizer	if that works like expected	21:13
jacekowski	i don't think so	21:13
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jacekowski	it will take a second to boot	21:14
jacekowski	but maybe	21:14
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NooBmonk3y	http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5z5jkxk0/Selection_002.png << QT Qsettings erro :\|	21:14
DocScrutinizer	&& sleep 10 &&	21:14
MohammadAG	i.e flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=nolo right?	21:14
jacekowski	something like that	21:14
DocScrutinizer	yup	21:14
DocScrutinizer	&& sleep 10 && flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=nolo	21:14
jacekowski	or just -2nd -scnd	21:14
jacekowski	using unpacked files	21:15
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: nevertheless you might want to link to ~coldflash	21:15
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DocScrutinizer	always good to mention source of info, for those who want to check	21:16
sp3000	does it fail without sleep?	21:16
sp3000	in my experience the flasher is generally happy to wait for things to appear	21:16
jacekowski	sp3000: but phone will connect then disconnect and then connect again	21:17
DocScrutinizer	so a sleep 10 won't hurt	21:18
MohammadAG	sp3000, in your experience, there was a bootloader :P	21:18
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NooBmonk3y	alterego, any ideas? -> http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5z5jkxk0/Selection_002.png	21:19
MohammadAG	~coldflash	21:19
infobot	i heard coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing	21:19
sp3000	quite possible :)	21:20
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: /me is wondering wtf this ASIC might be	21:20
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MohammadAG	~tell NooBmonk3y about pastebin	21:21
MohammadAG	it's better than images :P	21:21
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: can't really see any ASIC in schematics	21:21
DocScrutinizer	or maybe they call RAPUYAMA an ASIC?	21:21
NooBmonk3y	meh	21:21
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, use .toString()	21:22
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: http://www.and-developers.com/custom_recovery:mbmloader_replacement_attack	21:22
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NooBmonk3y	ahhhhhhhhhh	21:22
NooBmonk3y	ty MohammadAG	21:22
NooBmonk3y	tried that but in the wrong place, working now :)	21:22
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DocScrutinizer	WTF, kills my browser?! o.O	21:23
sp3000	why unpack the fiasco before flashing, there?	21:23
Venemo_N900	hi again	21:23
Venemo_N900	AutoDisconnect disconnected me	21:23
MohammadAG	sp3000, I think you need to supply images manually	21:23
DocScrutinizer	KDE4, great :-/	21:24
MohammadAG	since it can't find hardware revision	21:24
DocScrutinizer	random segfaults	21:24
sp3000	but you're giving it one, so...	21:24
MohammadAG	also, a bit helpful for those new to packaging: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging	21:25
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, sigh http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=873275&postcount=363	21:25
MohammadAG	"does hostmode work with the default kernal after the last update ? "	21:25
sp3000	that is, I've never needed to unpack for cold flash	21:25
sp3000	granted it may have been a different flasher	21:26
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: flamethrower	21:26
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: anyways, format of asic id is explained on that page	21:26
DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: just reading	21:27
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ~debian	21:27
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you should update #1	21:27
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NooBmonk3y	yay, working!	21:28
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: bad answer to that guy	21:28
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, -1 for me? :(	21:29
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: you should have asked him what a 'kernal' is	21:29
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Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: :P	21:31
* MohammadAG feels confused :P		21:32
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: noobs like that guy always make typos	21:33
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Serpent	hi	21:33
Venemo_N900	hello Serpent	21:33
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pupnik	how could i swap graphics tiles for particular ascii characters in osso-xterm? ;)	21:34
Serpent	I have just purchased a second hand n900 and want to know how to set it to factory defaults	21:34
jacekowski	Serpent: flash it	21:34
Venemo_N900	Serpent: see	21:34
Venemo_N900	~flashng	21:35
Venemo_N900	~flashing	21:35
infobot	well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	21:35
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Venemo_N900	Serpent: that page should help you	21:35
Serpent	I have read through it, but I dont know which to flash first, rootfs or eMMC	21:36
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Venemo_N900	Serpent: it doesn't really matter (at least it worked for me whichever I did first)	21:37
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Serpent	whats the difference between them?	21:37
MohammadAG	When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end!	21:37
nidO	rootfs is the operating system, emmc is the user storage area	21:37
MohammadAG	though indeed, it does not matter, just don't use -R	21:37
Venemo_N900	Serpent: the rootfs image willwipe the rootfs and all the system components on it	21:38
Serpent	then why do I need to flash the eMMC?	21:38
Venemo_N900	Serpent: eMMc wipes out and resets all the data on the eMMc (the 32 GB storage)	21:38
DocScrutinizer	Serpent: first flash eMMC, though it's written differently	21:38
alterego	MohammadAG: I'm home now, did you get that scrollable area to work?	21:38
MohammadAG	alterego, it's like fapman, so I'm cursing it	21:39
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: why does it matter?	21:39
MohammadAG	alterego, it always shows a horizontal scroll bar	21:39
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: what are you cursing	21:39
alterego	MohammadAG: you're doing it wrong then :P	21:39
alterego	MohammadAG: I'll just do a mockup and upload it for you ;)	21:40
MohammadAG	scrollArea->setHorizontalScrollBarPolicy(Qt::ScrollBarAlwaysOff); <-- got rid of the whole area	21:40
DocScrutinizer	because when booting up a fresh rootfs, you see optification. Then flash eMMC and end with borked system	21:40
MohammadAG	alterego, no wait	21:40
alterego	You want the entire mainwindow to be just a list of buttons?	21:40
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, ! yay!	21:40
DocScrutinizer	Venemo_N900: other way round it's not that bad if you boot accidentally	21:40
NooBmonk3y	ok, sad i know, but the load and save buttons work, kinda	21:40
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: if I'm not gonna boot up between them, does it matter which one comes first?	21:40
DocScrutinizer	no	21:41
NooBmonk3y	They save them, and then load them, no kinda "save to file1" style though lol	21:41
MohammadAG	alterego, http://pastebin.com/cz4dDWHv	21:41
alterego	MohammadAG: call scrollarea->setWidgetResizable(true);	21:41
alterego	Remote the ScrollBarPolicy lines.	21:42
alterego	emove	21:42
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: my way to deal with noobish quesions http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=586545&postcount=38	21:42
MohammadAG	lol Venemo_N900	21:43
MohammadAG	alterego, /me tries :P	21:43
Venemo_N900	alterego: do you have a good idea for a Maemo app?	21:44
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Kaadlajk	that scrollarea stuff is really tricky imo ;-0	21:44
alterego	Venemo_N900: no, not really, it's half my problem tbh	21:44
alterego	MohammadAG: Also, remove setGeometry ..	21:44
Venemo_N900	alterego: I would need to make one for the mobile linux applications course, but I have no idea	21:45
MohammadAG	alterego, Qt Creator, I don't need it as I set layouts	21:45
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Venemo_N900	alterego: currently my idea is that I make a GPS tracker app, but I'd rather make something unique	21:45
alterego	Designer is gay, lrn2code proper :P	21:45
alterego	What about a GPS anti-tracker, tells you where you're not :)	21:46
MohammadAG	alterego, agreed, but too late to switch with 6 windows :P	21:46
Venemo_N900	alterego: well every GPS tracker is an anti-tracker too	21:46
Venemo_N900	alterego: it tells you that you're not in anywhere but the red dot on the map	21:47
DocScrutinizer	alterego: WYSIWYG is gay, lrn2use hexedit?	21:47
Serpent	so, eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 thats the latest bin, isnt it?	21:47
Venemo_N900	Serpent: if you say so	21:47
alterego	DocScrutinizer: yeah, pretty much :P	21:48
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Serpent	in the wiki, it says 2 images and the flasher, but I cant find the rootfs bin	21:48
alterego	I think everytime I've used Qt Designer, I've got pissed off and rewritten it by han.	21:48
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DocScrutinizer	Serpent: you need COMBINED, VANILLA, and the flasher package	21:49
myuu	whats a good price for the n900 at this point?	21:49
Venemo_N900	alterego: why?	21:50
DocScrutinizer	Serpent: COMBINED is rootfs_et-al fiasco img, VANILLA is the eMMC img	21:50
Venemo_N900	alterego: it makes an xml file, doesn't it?	21:50
alterego	Because it never seems to do what I want it to :P	21:50
Serpent	DocScrutinizer: thanks	21:50
Venemo_N900	alterego: hm	21:51
Venemo_N900	alterego: so far I managed to tell it what I want it to do :P	21:51
alterego	It's fine for really simple stuff,	21:51
alterego	It just starts to anny me, and all my apps tend to have custom widgets and I can't be bothered to write plugins for designer to handle them.	21:52
Venemo_N900	yeah	21:52
Venemo_N900	alterego: no need to write plugins for that	21:52
Venemo_N900	alterego: there is a "promote to..." feature with which you can tell it about custom widgets	21:53
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alterego	Really, interesting.	21:54
alterego	How do I do that then? :)	21:54
Venemo_N900	alterego: right click, promote to.., then tell it the name of the class	21:54
Venemo_N900	alterego: and the base class's name too	21:54
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you might consider to actually "never again subscribe to any tmo thread" (reminder), and instead next time open a thread on h-e-n ML (maybe [user] yet to create), and just drop a note to tmo and instantly close the tmo thread after doing so	22:00
RST38h	Permission denied (publickey).	22:00
RST38h	Anyone knows why autobuilder no longer allows me login?	22:01
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: messed up your ssh keys?	22:01
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RST38h	again?	22:01
RST38h	with no intervention from myself?	22:01
DocScrutinizer	:shrug:	22:02
Venemo_N900	RST38h: maybe poke x-fade	22:02
DocScrutinizer	either that, or... something different :-P	22:02
Venemo_N900	ok, I found another Qt bug	22:03
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, one of us has to be a mod tbh	22:03
MohammadAG	at least for that section	22:03
MohammadAG	or that thread only	22:03
Venemo_N900	I remapped the Fn+z, Fn+x and Fn+c key combos	22:03
Venemo_N900	and now I can not input these 3 characters in uppercase	22:04
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: ping chem\|st	22:04
Venemo_N900	but only in Qt apps, Gtk ones work fine	22:04
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: you bet I won't go mod for tmo	22:04
DocScrutinizer	err, MohammadAG ^^^	22:04
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: sorry ETAB	22:05
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: >>> hello joerg_rw, hi, how can i know which kernal im on now ? thanks <<<	22:07
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, rm -rf /lib/modules and reboot, that's how	22:07
DocScrutinizer	WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!	22:07
MohammadAG	(don't do that @ everyone)	22:08
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Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: ask him what a 'kernal' is already	22:09
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: lol at that :D	22:09
Serpent	done, thanks all	22:09
DocScrutinizer	Venemo_N900: "send me the device, I'll look it up for you!"	22:09
Venemo_N900	you're welcome Serpent :)	22:09
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: btw, isn't uname the command that does that?	22:10
DocScrutinizer	orly??	22:10
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: I'm a linux noob, that's why I'm asking	22:10
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, he was being sarcastic, he knows about uname :P	22:10
RST38h	shit cannot upload	22:11
RST38h	how often does maemo.org import ssh keys from the settings?	22:11
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, uname -r	22:11
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: ok, but I was not sure about it myself	22:11
MohammadAG	30 minutes I think	22:11
* RST38h sighs and waits		22:12
DocScrutinizer	probably 05 and 35, as all other things	22:12
DocScrutinizer	magic of cron	22:13
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MohammadAG	kinky, N86 not booting with the microSD in it	22:15
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DocScrutinizer	haha	22:15
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: what if you first boot it, then put the card in?	22:15
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: it has uBoot	22:15
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, doing that, got used to symbian	22:15
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: (actually not completely kidding)	22:15
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: hehe	22:15
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MohammadAG	sigh, date and time gone	22:16
* DocScrutinizer burps		22:16
Serpent	any tips on where I should start?	22:16
MohammadAG	it keeps crashing when I put the card in it	22:16
Venemo_N900	Serpent: with that?	22:17
Venemo_N900	Serpent: with what?	22:17
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: well I think you just lost all the data on that card	22:17
Serpent	aps and the like, its my first smart phone	22:17
MohammadAG	crashes upon inserting microSD	22:17
Venemo_N900	Serpent: oh, congrats :)	22:17
RST38h	reformat microsd?	22:17
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, I was formatting it	22:18
MohammadAG	then the N86 rebooted midformat	22:18
Venemo_N900	Serpent: well there are lots of apps in the community repos, and a few useful ones in Ovi store	22:18
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: (date & time lost) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-November/063733.html	22:18
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MohammadAG	[ 540.576934] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card	22:18
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, N86	22:18
MohammadAG	I get that error with the N900 and my PC, shall I throw the microSD out?	22:19
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: so what? it has the same crappy bupbat like FR and N900	22:19
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DocScrutinizer	no?	22:19
Venemo_N900	Serpent: if you're familiar with any desktop Linux distro, it'll be fairly easy	22:19
Venemo_N900	Serpent: if not, that's not a problem either	22:19
MohammadAG	[ 598.881713] mmc0: error -19 whilst initialising SD card	22:19
MohammadAG	[ 599.415466] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible	22:20
MohammadAG	[ 600.009002] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card	22:20
Venemo_N900	Serpent: you can use the application manager to look around	22:20
Serpent	Venemo_N900: yes, I have been using linux for 10 years or so	22:20
* MohammadAG throws card		22:20
Venemo_N900	Serpent: :)	22:20
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Venemo_N900	Serpent: well Maemo is Debian-based, which means it works pretty similarly	22:21
MohammadAG	I'd like to thank Symbian for ruining my card	22:21
Venemo_N900	Serpent: see tmo for what apps other recommend	22:21
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: well it didn't ruin mine	22:21
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: HAHA	22:21
MohammadAG	it rebooted midformat	22:21
MohammadAG	all of a sudden	22:21
Serpent	tmo?	22:22
MohammadAG	and why did I format it? cause it was locked with a symbian device	22:22
Venemo_N900	Serpent: tmo = talk.maemo.org	22:22
MohammadAG	which follows no standard whatsoever!	22:22
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: check bmo for a fix that "destroys some sandisk cards" or sth lke that	22:22
MohammadAG	it's 4GBs, I used to use for MeeGo weekly builds :/	22:22
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, it's not a sandisk, thankfully, I have that 16GB card somewhere else	22:23
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* MohammadAG ponders where		22:23
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: no idea, the exact wording might differ	22:23
Venemo_N900	Serpent: if you are not afraid, you can also get yourself in-development apps from the -devel repo (not really recommended to end users though)	22:23
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, wasn't that fixed in 1.3?	22:23
MohammadAG	Stskeeps referred to it as card-rape	22:24
DocScrutinizer	also I think I've seen it as NB# on one of the patchbatches	22:24
DocScrutinizer	yes	22:24
NooBmonk3y	ok MohammadAG ........... i'm ready to package a new version of MaeCount lol	22:26
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, get the old source, copy my debian package into your source directory, run dch to edit the changelog then push	22:27
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MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, also, I suggest that since you're on linux, create an SSH key and upload with it	22:27
NooBmonk3y	ooo that be a clever idea!	22:27
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, another thing, you should have scratchbox	22:27
NooBmonk3y	erm, one bit at a time lol	22:27
NooBmonk3y	^^	22:27
NooBmonk3y	will get to those last two bits in a sec!	22:27
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MohammadAG	you need scratchbox to build a package :p	22:28
NooBmonk3y	pants.......	22:28
MohammadAG	idk how to/if you can use MADDE	22:28
NooBmonk3y	so i cant just edit your lot and re-upload?	22:28
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: you can totally do it with the Qt SDK	22:28
NooBmonk3y	Venemo_N900, ?!?!?!	22:28
* NooBmonk3y cuddles Venemo_N900 !!		22:28
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MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, no, obviously not :P	22:29
NooBmonk3y	Now dont tell me i coulda done it in windows, lol! - i jjust formatted and setup ubuntu	22:29
MohammadAG	~maemosdk	22:29
infobot	somebody said maemosdk was http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation	22:29
MohammadAG	install that :#	22:29
MohammadAG	:3*	22:29
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: I have made Sticky Notes and also packaged it on Windows with the Nokia Qt SDK	22:29
NooBmonk3y	meh	22:29
NooBmonk3y	oh ffs!!!	22:29
NooBmonk3y	MOHAMMAD!!!!	22:29
* NooBmonk3y sulks		22:29
NooBmonk3y	anyway.....	22:29
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, with changelogs and all?	22:30
NooBmonk3y	i'm now on ubuntu lol	22:30
* DocScrutinizer googles for :3*		22:30
MohammadAG	(and sources)	22:30
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: yes, of course	22:30
DocScrutinizer	asshead on ice?	22:30
MohammadAG	then it's possible to use MADDE on ubuntu I guess	22:30
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RST38h	Mohammad,Doc: uploaded new xchat, let us see what autobuilder says	22:30
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, would you mind ever so much if you bitch slapped yourself please :)	22:30
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, can you walk him through it? I package my stuff with scratchbox, the proper way :P	22:30
NooBmonk3y	yay!	22:30
NooBmonk3y	lol	22:30
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: although I had to save the files with Unix encoding	22:30
* NooBmonk3y is a dumbass btw!		22:31
MohammadAG	RST38h, something like "WTF"	22:31
MohammadAG	jk	22:31
RST38h	probably	22:31
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: but 'mad dpkg-buildpackage' worked as it should	22:31
RST38h	Meanwhile, http://exiledonline.com/neocon-like-me-how-i-spent-a-year-in-iraq-teaching-with-the-bush-cheney-crazies/	22:31
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: should I PM you?	22:31
NooBmonk3y	anyway i really should learn how to do this properly	22:31
NooBmonk3y	Venemo_N900, only if you have time!	22:31
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, so that's how you run madde stuff....	22:31
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: I'm more interested in what HAM will tell me	22:32
Venemo_N900	well the way I did it worked for both Scratchbox and MAADE	22:32
NooBmonk3y	DocScrutinizer, HAM will say Mooooooar Bacon	22:32
Venemo_N900	MADDE*	22:32
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NooBmonk3y	Cool - well, i assume i have madde on ubuntu?	22:32
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, [!]	22:32
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, yes, the SDK has MADDE	22:32
NooBmonk3y	yay!	22:32
RST38h	Doc: Nothing unusual I hope	22:32
* NooBmonk3y really is a simpleton lol		22:32
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: don't worry, I'll help ya	22:33
DocScrutinizer	RST38h: just "Problems: qt4foobarxy"	22:33
DocScrutinizer	like always	22:33
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DocScrutinizer	1.2	22:33
RST38h	naaah,xchat does not use qt	22:33
* MohammadAG shouts at autobuilder, build asshole, BUILD, you have 1 minute		22:34
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, do i need to request to be maintainer to upload the new version?	22:34
DocScrutinizer	so what new exciting chrome it's get me?	22:34
DocScrutinizer	it'll*	22:34
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, was I set as a maintainer?	22:34
MohammadAG	I didn't check lol	22:34
NooBmonk3y	think so	22:35
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, my patch to fix the icon, should display the xchat icon instead of a <missing X icon>	22:35
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, request it, I'll approve and ask X-Fade to remove me when he's back	22:35
DocScrutinizer	hmm	22:35
NooBmonk3y	cool!	22:35
* MohammadAG shouts @ autobuilder, you missed the import		22:35
* MohammadAG resets timer to another 30 minutes		22:36
MohammadAG	how much are 32GB microSDs?	22:36
* DocScrutinizer does a jig dance of joy, and screams and shouts "new icon, NEW ICON!!" - neighbours call police :-P		22:36
RST38h	a lot	22:36
RST38h	and most are slow	22:36
* RST38h calls police on Doc		22:37
Dhraakellian	hrm...	22:37
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, Maintainer Requested For Maecount	22:38
NooBmonk3y	Your request has been stored.	22:38
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Dhraakellian	trying http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd, but it can't seem to find my n900	22:38
* MohammadAG starts thunderbird		22:39
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: charge battery! start flasher. plug in unpowered N900	22:39
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DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: if you've not screwed up, then your battery might last until you're done	22:40
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: bootlooping eats batery like mad	22:41
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, Component org.maemo.packages failed to handle the request lol	22:41
NooBmonk3y	lol	22:41
MohammadAG	looks like it approved you though	22:42
Dhraakellian	Suitable USB device not found, waiting.	22:42
Dhraakellian	Unable to enumerate USB devices!	22:42
Dhraakellian	the second line comes when I plug in the powered-off n900	22:42
NooBmonk3y	yup it did MohammadAG :)	22:42
DocScrutinizer	that's weird	22:42
MohammadAG	Windows?	22:42
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: remove battery, plug in, re-insert battery	22:43
Dhraakellian	openSUSE 11.3	22:43
MohammadAG	running as root?	22:43
MohammadAG	also, 32/64 bit?	22:43
Dhraakellian	DocScrutinizer: ah! I was putting the battery back in first	22:43
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: hold 'u' (though that's not supposed to do anything)	22:43
Dhraakellian	32-bit, running with sudo, holding 'u'	22:43
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, I almost successfully flashed a device with hostmode	22:44
MohammadAG	(N900 -> N900 connection)	22:44
DocScrutinizer	heh :-D	22:44
MohammadAG	you know why it failed? the guy got scared and pulled the USB cable	22:45
Dhraakellian	hehheh	22:45
DocScrutinizer	now we only need a virtual loopback on USB :-P	22:45
DocScrutinizer	LOL	22:45
MohammadAG	(it went into flashing mode properly, and flasher on the device detected the N900)	22:45
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Dhraakellian	yeah... I'm getting the failure message as soon as the n900 buzzes to life	22:45
MohammadAG	and before I rebooted his N900 it said Charging	22:45
DocScrutinizer	Hold that grenade, but DON'T DROP IT! --- WHAAAT?? booom	22:46
Dhraakellian	drop the grenade, throw the pin	22:46
Dhraakellian	wait, I think I might have that backwards	22:46
Dhraakellian	hmm	22:46
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* Dhraakellian wonders if he should track down a debian/ubuntu-based computer somewhere in the house		22:47
MohammadAG	it should work just fine with openSUSE, ask DocScrutinizer	22:47
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: lsmod\|grep g_	22:47
DocScrutinizer	rmmod	22:47
* NooBmonk3y has just destroyed a windows 7 one to make an ubuntu one lol		22:47
Dhraakellian	nf_defrag_ipv4 1201 1 nf_conntrack_ipv4	22:47
MohammadAG	you removed windows?	22:48
DocScrutinizer	nope	22:48
DocScrutinizer	not that one	22:48
DocScrutinizer	g_ether, g_anyshit	22:48
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DocScrutinizer	or was it cdc_*	22:48
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, Gone! (only have an 80gb HDD in here)	22:49
* MohammadAG had windows and ubuntu on a 120GB HDD		22:49
MohammadAG	40GB once	22:50
Dhraakellian	mind a 3-line paste?	22:50
MohammadAG	nope	22:50
Dhraakellian	cdc_phonet 5533 0	22:50
Dhraakellian	phonet 22229 1 cdc_phonet	22:50
Dhraakellian	usbcore 191575 5 cdc_phonet,usb_storage,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd	22:50
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: also, as flasher scans all USB ports sequentially (AIUI), it might help to provide proper USB port name to flasher	22:50
MohammadAG	but your question makes it a 4 line paste	22:50
* MohammadAG kicks, jk :P		22:50
DocScrutinizer	cdc_phonet is mega-evil here :-)	22:50
Dhraakellian	rmmod that sucker?	22:50
MohammadAG	isn't that for modem crap?	22:51
DocScrutinizer	yep	22:51
DocScrutinizer	yep	22:51
MohammadAG	when's the MeeGo conference again?	22:51
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MohammadAG	I'm sure it wasn't 12AM :P	22:51
DocScrutinizer	also usb_storage might interfere	22:51
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Dhraakellian	DocScrutinizer: it keeps coming back	22:52
DocScrutinizer	:-/	22:53
DocScrutinizer	you made sure you're keeping 'u' pressed, so N900 won't skip over the detection window?	22:53
Dhraakellian	at this point, I'm considering just futzing around inside NITDroid to see if I can get it to mount things mounted read-write	22:54
Dhraakellian	DocScrutinizer: it's erroring out as soon as the n900 vibrates that it's booting	22:54
DocScrutinizer	then try different sequence: plug in while 'u', then immediately start flasher	22:55
DocScrutinizer	1s	22:55
Dhraakellian	okay, split second after	22:55
alterego	Almost finished porting my custom widgets to Qml	22:55
MohammadAG	no	22:56
MohammadAG	it should vibrate when it boots into flashing mode afaik	22:56
MohammadAG	you don't need to press the power button	22:56
DocScrutinizer	I as well had issues with making it flash	22:56
MohammadAG	it shouldn't*	22:56
DocScrutinizer	who said "power button"?	22:57
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: I'm not	22:57
Dhraakellian	just 'u'	22:57
Dhraakellian	Suitable USB device not found, waiting.	22:57
Dhraakellian	USB device found found at bus 001, device address 057.	22:57
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Dhraakellian	Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy	22:57
MohammadAG	it vibrates when doing that?	22:57
Dhraakellian	yes	22:57
MohammadAG	sorry, always have my device in R&D mode	22:58
DocScrutinizer	plug in, hold 'u', insert battery, gasp, hit return on flasher	22:58
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MohammadAG	Device or resource busy, try a different port(?)	22:58
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MohammadAG	or reboot I guess, some module is keeping the port busy	22:58
Dhraakellian	frack need more hands	22:59
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: (Device or resource busy) rmmod :-/	22:59
DocScrutinizer	reboot	22:59
MohammadAG	yeah, I always wondered why we had only 2 hands	23:00
DocScrutinizer	remove other USB stuff	23:00
DocScrutinizer	aka unplug it	23:00
DocScrutinizer	cdc_phonet MUST NOT come up	23:00
Dhraakellian	DocScrutinizer: well, when I didn't drop stuff, that last order apperas to have worked	23:01
Dhraakellian	'course, the backlight isn't on	23:01
Dhraakellian	http://pastebin.ca/1991524	23:02
MohammadAG	since when does revision 2001 exist?	23:02
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MohammadAG	I've only seen 2101	23:02
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MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, so it worked :)	23:02
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Dhraakellian	and I'm glad I have the bright overhead light on	23:03
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* MohammadAG wants to be able to boot that image using uBoot		23:03
DocScrutinizer	OMFG you're doing WHAT exactly?	23:03
MohammadAG	Recovery image DocScrutinizer	23:03
DocScrutinizer	aaaaah	23:04
DocScrutinizer	lost that	23:04
MohammadAG	which reminds me	23:04
MohammadAG	I need to try it again	23:04
Dhraakellian	so, let's see... to edit that /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini (?) file...	23:04
Dhraakellian	USB storage mode, mount, and go in with desktop-side vim?	23:04
DocScrutinizer	yep	23:05
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DocScrutinizer	cya all	23:07
Dhraakellian	hmm	23:07
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, or ssh	23:07
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MohammadAG	well usb storage exports the 32GB eMMC afaik, not the root partitions	23:07
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MohammadAG	so ssh it is	23:07
Dhraakellian	yarr	23:08
Dhraakellian	noticing that now	23:08
MohammadAG	it'll be on port 22, IP 192.168.2.15	23:08
Dhraakellian	connection timed out	23:09
Dhraakellian	enabled USB networking	23:09
Dhraakellian	hmm... recovery terminal to start sshd?	23:10
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MohammadAG	no, sshd is started when you press N	23:11
Dhraakellian	ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection timed out	23:12
DocScrutinizer	iirc it exports both fs. Need replug probably	23:12
MohammadAG	lolwtf	23:13
MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/recovery$ sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14	23:13
MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/recovery$ ssh root@192.168.2.15	23:13
MohammadAG	ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused	23:13
Gh0sty	is it possible that the new power kernel breaks the led? :/	23:13
Gh0sty	I don't get any led notification that sms'es arrive, that my phone is charging etc ...	23:13
DocScrutinizer	hell, not exporting / would be failwale	23:13
MohammadAG	failwhale it is	23:14
villev	it appears dpkg diversions can get around the "ssu enforcement" metapackage	23:14
villev	or am I wrong?	23:14
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DocScrutinizer	When using USB storage mode the initrd mounts eMMC and the microSD card - BWAHAHAHAAAAHAA	23:16
* Dhraakellian is ever so close to stabbing something now		23:16
Dhraakellian	and all this just to edit a single character on a single line of a single file to keep hildon-desktop from crashing on me and shutting down the phone	23:17
MohammadAG	#meego's dead too	23:17
MohammadAG	what port does it effing run ssh on	23:17
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: try recovery console, and edit directly on N900	23:18
Dhraakellian	DocScrutinizer: sure, I was gonna do that	23:18
Dhraakellian	...but how do I type the friggin '/'?	23:18
DocScrutinizer	LOL	23:18
DocScrutinizer	dejavu	23:18
MohammadAG	you don't, that's the problem with the intrd	23:18
MohammadAG	use CTRL+I to tab	23:18
Dhraakellian	!	23:19
MohammadAG	btw	23:19
MohammadAG	you need to modprobe ubifs and mount the ubi0:rootfs block	23:19
Dhraakellian	from the recovery console?	23:19
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DocScrutinizer	sure	23:19
DocScrutinizer	why not? :-D	23:20
NooBmonk3y	MohammadAG, i need a linux geek lol!	23:20
MohammadAG	gives my unknown module format fyi	23:20
NooBmonk3y	How do i add a folder path to the linux PATH thingy, so i can run a file from within that folder ?	23:20
DocScrutinizer	o/ again	23:20
NooBmonk3y	god i'm useless at describing things	23:20
MohammadAG	echo $PATH	23:20
MohammadAG	copy the shit in it	23:20
NooBmonk3y	yay	23:20
MohammadAG	then export PATH=paste;whatyouwanthere	23:21
MohammadAG	:*	23:21
MohammadAG	not ;	23:21
MohammadAG	but you have to do it in each shell, or add it to your profile	23:21
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: I didn't know that either, so thanks :J	23:21
Venemo_N900	:)	23:21
MohammadAG	:D	23:21
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Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: how to add it to my profile?	23:21
* MohammadAG sighs, ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused, #meego's asleep		23:22
myuu	oh my buffer kind of screwed me over	23:22
myuu	I wanted to know what a good price for an n900 is	23:22
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, nano ~/.profile	23:22
MohammadAG	scroll down, you'll figure it out :)	23:22
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: k, will check once I get home	23:23
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MohammadAG	# set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists	23:23
MohammadAG	if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then	23:23
MohammadAG	PATH="$HOME/bin:$PATH"	23:23
MohammadAG	fi	23:23
Dhraakellian	modprobe complains of an unknown symbol	23:23
MohammadAG	or just edit /etc/profile to edit all users' paths	23:23
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MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, <MohammadAG> gives my unknown module format fyi	23:23
MohammadAG	so much for a recovery initrd	23:24
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MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, got a microSD nearby?	23:24
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Venemo_N900	ok, the N900 survived the train journey without a single disconnection from the cellular network	23:24
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: a couple, yeah	23:24
Venemo_N900	seems that this one has a better reception	23:24
NooBmonk3y	:\|	23:24
Dhraakellian	one with NITDroid, one 8GB class 6	23:25
RST38h	it is in the repos!	23:25
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NooBmonk3y	$PATH doesnt seem to want me to add /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin	23:25
Venemo_N900	also this was 3 hours of continuous usage with web, irc, and music, screen on, and the battery endured it	23:25
NooBmonk3y	Venemo_N900, but alot of NooBmonk3y harrassment!	23:25
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: that was no harassment	23:26
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: what are you recommending I do with said µSD?	23:26
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: packaging was so much of a pain for me that I always feel good when I can save some of the pain for others	23:26
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* Dhraakellian wishes he'd backed up photos more recently		23:28
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Dhraakellian	used the backup util a few package installations ago, sometime last week, but I haven't actually copied over stuff from the camera in a while	23:28
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Dhraakellian	otherwise, I'd just do a full-on reflash at this point	23:29
NooBmonk3y	oh ffs	23:29
MohammadAG	eMMC lives on a different device, flashing won't touch it	23:29
NooBmonk3y	can you not add anything in /home/user to path?	23:29
MohammadAG	why?	23:29
MohammadAG	just add /home/user to PATH	23:29
NooBmonk3y	cos it wont let me add my folder	23:29
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: hmm...	23:29
NooBmonk3y	$PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/madbin	23:29
NooBmonk3y	thats what i'm trying	23:29
MohammadAG	but now I'm annoyed myself	23:30
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MohammadAG	so?	23:30
MohammadAG	it should work	23:30
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NooBmonk3y	/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin: No such file or directory	23:30
NooBmonk3y	but it's there!	23:30
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NooBmonk3y	i can see it	23:30
NooBmonk3y	and no capital letter mistakes!	23:31
MohammadAG	no, you add a directory, not the file itself	23:31
NooBmonk3y	that is the directory	23:31
Venemo_N900	that is a directory	23:31
NooBmonk3y	mad is the file	23:31
MohammadAG	export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo	23:31
MohammadAG	oh	23:31
* MohammadAG checks		23:31
NooBmonk3y	:p	23:31
NooBmonk3y	;)	23:31
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Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: are you sure you spelled it allright?	23:31
NooBmonk3y	copied it from the file properties window to make sure	23:32
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NooBmonk3y	/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/Maemo/madbin	23:32
Venemo_N900	hm	23:32
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Venemo_N900	does cd work for that?	23:32
Venemo_N900	as in, 'cd <directoryname>'	23:33
NooBmonk3y	Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh	23:33
NooBmonk3y	do i need to be root?	23:33
MohammadAG	no	23:33
NooBmonk3y	and no cd doesnt lol	23:33
NooBmonk3y	meh	23:33
Venemo_N900	nah, train arrived!!!	23:33
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: well then try to find the directory correctly	23:34
MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ /usr/bin/which dh_install	23:34
MohammadAG	/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dh_install	23:34
MohammadAG	muhahaha	23:34
MohammadAG	add madbin first	23:35
MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ export PATH=/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/home/mohammad/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games=/home/mohammad/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games	23:35
MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ which dh_install	23:35
MohammadAG	/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dh_install	23:35
Venemo_N900	bah battery low	23:35
Venemo_N900	I would stop bme, but am afraid of the consequences	23:36
SpeedEvil	There are few consequences really	23:36
NooBmonk3y	ok, well the cd now works, path doesnt	23:36
MohammadAG	heh	23:36
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, his device didn't do autonomous charge once	23:36
SpeedEvil	hmm	23:37
Venemo_N900	SpeedEvil: last time the battery was so empty that the device didn't wanna charge it	23:37
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, export PATH=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games	23:37
SpeedEvil	Not even emergency charge?	23:37
SpeedEvil	odd	23:37
Venemo_N900	well this is another device	23:37
Venemo_N900	I always forget	23:37
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MohammadAG	stop bme then	23:37
MohammadAG	I think your old one was borked somehow	23:37
MohammadAG	mine always charges from flat	23:38
Venemo_N900	ok, stopped bme	23:38
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cehteh	power45 or not .. thinking	23:38
cehteh	mhm .. idea .. making a backup first :)	23:38
Venemo_N900	anyway, I won't use it for hours like last ime	23:38
NooBmonk3y	$PATH=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games	23:38
NooBmonk3y	bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory	23:38
Venemo_N900	SpeedEvil, MohammadAG: last time battery dropped to like 2.4 V	23:39
* Dhraakellian plugs his n900 into a wall wart via a shorted out USB extension cord		23:39
Dhraakellian	erm... data pins shorted together	23:39
MohammadAG	that's weird...	23:39
MohammadAG	mine shuts down on like 3.2 something	23:39
Venemo_N900	hehe	23:39
* Dhraakellian reads up on updating/flashing firmware		23:40
DocScrutinizer	NooBmonk3y: NO DOLLAR at start!	23:40
Venemo_N900	well it was screen off, offline mode, and only music playback	23:40
NooBmonk3y	yay!	23:40
NooBmonk3y	done!	23:40
NooBmonk3y	lol	23:40
NooBmonk3y	bloody dollars	23:40
NooBmonk3y	and works!	23:40
NooBmonk3y	now where was i!	23:40
MohammadAG	NooBmonk3y, use export as I stated	23:40
MohammadAG	oh well	23:40
Venemo_N900	the poor thing played music for 3 hours before dying	23:41
Venemo_N900	and it was 'battery low' the entire afternoon before that	23:41
* MohammadAG starts creating a small distro that only consists of basic bash shell and working terminal		23:41
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: what for?	23:41
MohammadAG	obviously, the MeeGo image is shit	23:41
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, recovery	23:41
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: oh.	23:42
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: heard about such a distro but the name escapes me atm	23:42
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: so does it work?	23:42
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: make sure it actually charges, and doesn't bootloop	23:42
MohammadAG	it's in a boot loop DocScrutinizer	23:43
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: does it flash amber, and nothing else?	23:43
MohammadAG	you know	23:43
Dhraakellian	the amber LED is fading in and out	23:43
MohammadAG	before you reflash, you could try R&D mode	23:43
* Dhraakellian will wait for it to go green		23:43
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: ack	23:43
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, before reflashing, try flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset	23:44
MohammadAG	as root	23:44
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: bootloops on desktop segfault	23:44
MohammadAG	that _should_ start up the device	23:44
Dhraakellian	DocScrutinizer: I have it powered off and plugged in just for charging	23:44
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, dsme causes the bootloop, what a retarded feature it is	23:44
MohammadAG	that flag kills dsme	23:44
Dhraakellian	DocScrutinizer: yarr, which is why I'm not actually booting it	23:44
DocScrutinizer	ack	23:44
MohammadAG	as I said earlier today, I can use my N900 X-less	23:44
MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> Dhraakellian, before reflashing, try flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset	23:44
MohammadAG	actually, try it now	23:44
NooBmonk3y	Venemo_N900, Just realised something	23:45
Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: x-less=?	23:45
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: yeah?	23:45
MohammadAG	then boot up the device normally, hildon-home might keep crashing	23:45
NooBmonk3y	got an error when running mad dpkg-buildpackage	23:45
MohammadAG	Venemo_N900, without an X server	23:45
NooBmonk3y	dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determine source changed by	23:45
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Venemo_N900	MohammadAG: yeah	23:45
NooBmonk3y	am i missing something?	23:45
MohammadAG	kill X on your device and it'll reboot	23:45
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: changelog file	23:45
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: ...but I can still go in with Vim and edit what needs to be edited?	23:45
NooBmonk3y	ooooo	23:45
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, probably yes	23:45
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: kill bme and it'll reboot	23:45
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: put in it at least one entry, in the right format	23:46
DocScrutinizer	sounds familiar, no?	23:46
Venemo_N900	NooBmonk3y: see mine for an example	23:46
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, bme isn't as vital as the desktop, at least according to Nokia's team	23:46
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: you missed my point	23:46
MohammadAG	seriously, was implementing something as easy as if reboots > 3 stop rebooting difficult?	23:47
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: try "stop matchbox" (s/matchbox/<whatever>/)	23:47
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Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer: afaik matchbox is not running when hildon-desktop is running	23:47
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: this is already implemented, just see dmsetool --help	23:48
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, my dsme isn't alive anyways	23:48
MohammadAG	ooh, I can partition the eMMC with the recovery image	23:49
MohammadAG	and 64MBs unpartitioned, weird...	23:49
DocScrutinizer	due to geometry	23:49
SpeedEvil	Venemo_N900: I don't think it can do that - I've had it measuring 0 when the internal cutout operated.	23:49
SpeedEvil	hmm	23:49
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Venemo_N900	SpeedEvil: well this was what the guy at the Nokia repair centre told me	23:50
SpeedEvil	k	23:50
MohammadAG	lol I like the Xorg failed to start message	23:51
Venemo_N900	SpeedEvil: I have no reason not to believe him	23:51
MohammadAG	it says contact support.nokia.com, do they even know what X is?	23:51
DocScrutinizer	device will hard-shutdown on <3.2V iirc	23:51
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SpeedEvil	2.8	23:51
ShadowJK	can you call it ANSI AVC next time	23:52
DocScrutinizer	to drain it further you either need repeated bootups (which all fail), or some direct consumer, like LP5523 notif LED is still eating battery	23:52
ShadowJK	or ANSI AVC.264	23:52
ShadowJK	oh wrong chan	23:52
* MohammadAG ponders decreasing swap		23:53
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DocScrutinizer	make 2 swaps of half the size	23:53
SpeedEvil	2724 is the lowest I see on several boots	23:54
SpeedEvil	err	23:54
Dhraakellian	okay, hildon-desktop just crashed on me...	23:54
SpeedEvil	several discharges to hardware 'off'	23:54
* Dhraakellian tries to remember what comes next		23:54
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, but the device started right?	23:54
SpeedEvil	At this point, it won't even startup at all	23:54
pupnik	< sevenless> IRC is just multiplayer notepad, yet it's very addictive	23:54
Dhraakellian	yes, as it had, even before enabling R&D mode	23:55
DocScrutinizer	Dhraakellian: ssh	23:55
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, no, I meant it's still on, right?	23:55
Dhraakellian	yarr	23:55
MohammadAG	^	23:55
Dhraakellian	hmm... seeing several widgets up in the corner, all piled on top of each other	23:55
MohammadAG	ignore them	23:55
DocScrutinizer	hehe	23:55
Venemo_N900	DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil: so the guy lied to me?	23:56
DocScrutinizer	seen this before	23:56
MohammadAG	they'll get rearranged when the desktop starts	23:56
DocScrutinizer	Venemo_N900: possibly	23:56
Dhraakellian	now how to get to that terminal?	23:56
SpeedEvil	Venemo_N900: I would hesitate on saying that.	23:56
MohammadAG	Dhraakellian, ssh	23:56
Venemo_N900	anyway, after charging it manually, the N900 was able to charge it and that's what matters	23:57
SpeedEvil	Venemo_N900: I could be wrong. Your battery may have been faulty. Your n900 may have been faulty.	23:57
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: he likely was incompetent	23:57
MohammadAG	X terminal will probably not capture the kb input without a desktop	23:57
Dhraakellian	MohammadAG: I don't have sshd running by default	23:57
SpeedEvil	Venemo_N900: he may have measured the wrong pins, ...	23:57
MohammadAG	...	23:57
Dhraakellian	it's installed, but not running	23:57
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: good point	23:57
Dhraakellian	I'm missing something ridiculously obvious, aren't I?	23:58
SpeedEvil	I tend to be reluctant to actually say people are lying intentionally, unless they earn about 10* average salary.	23:58
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SpeedEvil	Then you get people that do it professionally.	23:59
DocScrutinizer	:-D	23:59

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