IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-11-11

infobotaw, gee, DocScrutinizer5100:01
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blizzowDocScrutinizer51: That's what I thought would work, but the n900 sip client default setup only asks for an address and password.  Is the address supposed to be the voip proxy?  Is my address supposed to be in some other format $phonenumber@proxy...?00:04
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DocScrutinizer51blizzow: my sipgate account works fine by $userid@sipgate.de00:10
DocScrutinizer51usually userid is the phonenumber. Not for sipgate though, there it's the account number00:11
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sivangDocScrutinizer51: I had a friend back then that created me a sipgate account for no cost00:12
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sivangthose were the times...00:12
blizzowdamn, I got it to login to my sip account, but now whenever I try and make a call, it just immediately disconnects.00:13
DocScrutinizer51sipgate as well as several other providers still offer free accounts00:13
DocScrutinizer51even with landline number for dial in00:14
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blizzowAhhh, loose binding seems to have fixed it.00:14
sivangDocScrutinizer51: I had a dialout number for free, not sure how00:15
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sivangDocScrutinizer51: but only tol landlines inside EU00:15
DocScrutinizer51maybe he shared his flat rate account?00:16
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sivangDocScrutinizer51: I guess, yes, flat rates were mentioned , do they still have this?00:20
sivangDocScrutinizer51: I'll sub them myself these days00:20
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mtnmanhello all00:21
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mtnmaniis there anyone here with whom i had been discussing my wifi issue earlier?  i have solved it!00:22
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DocScrutinizersivang: sure there's quite a number of flat rate plans available.00:25
DocScrutinizerfew of them with multiple landline numbers though00:26
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yaccDocScrutinizer: Well, it's hard (to prove that an account is used by multiple people) and easy (see, you use more than 2000 minutes a month, you abuser), ...00:28
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yaccDocScrutinizer: the moment somebody connects an Asterisk PBX instead of direct SIP client, ...00:29
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DocScrutinizerthe problem are multiple inbound phone numbers00:29
DocScrutinizerotherwise, how to demux the inbound calls to a particular user?00:30
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DocScrutinizersure you *could* configure * as an automated PBX and ask caller to dial number of extension00:31
DocScrutinizerkinda WTF though00:31
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yaccDocScrutinizer: well, you can have multiple accounts for incoming calls, and use another one for outgoing,...00:32
DocScrutinizerwill not work out properly with standard CLIR00:33
DocScrutinizeror was that COLP00:33
DocScrutinizermeh, signalling your number to callee00:33
yaccyeah, so what, you use supressed numbers dialing out.00:34
DocScrutinizersipgate offered to override default number signalling with an arbitrary string in username. I think they cancelled this00:34
yaccit's the same way like big PBXes use GSM modules to route some outgoing calls directly into the right network.00:34
DocScrutinizeryou must talk bout USA00:35
trumeesipgate is expensive00:35
* Arkenoi wonders why there is default IM account used for XMPP contact, but no default SIP accounts00:35
trumeelocalphone offers the best rates for me. (betamax is cheaper but not  reliable)00:36
DocScrutinizersipgate is pretty cheap for *inbound*00:36
DocScrutinizerincl voicebox00:37
DocScrutinizerto a decent geographical landline number00:37
trumeei have a couple of *free* inbound nubmbers00:37
DocScrutinizerguess what I pay for sipgate :-P00:37
DocScrutinizerpretty cheap == to be beter they need to pay *me*00:38
DocScrutinizerfor each inbound00:38
DocScrutinizerwhich actually was what my GSM carrier did until recently00:39
trumeesipgate gives you  money for your calls?00:39
DocScrutinizernot sipgate, and not O2 anymore00:39
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DocScrutinizertil ~2years ago O2 gave me 50ct for each hour inbound00:40
DocScrutinizertrumee: sipgate does, always did, and probably will continue to do - free geaographical landline inbound, for every German resident00:41
DocScrutinizer(or Austria, UK)00:41
trumeeorbtalk also used to give out free inbound numbers in UK00:41, gives a free inbound number in UK?00:42
DocScrutinizeroutbound is locked until you charge up your prepaid account00:42
DocScrutinizerexcept of tollfree numbers00:42
DocScrutinizertrumee: yep, afaik they do00:43
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DocScrutinizerfor a long time you could get a UK number no matter who you are and where you live00:43
trumeei had before i knew about free inbounds. so i am stuck with them.00:43
trumeesucks to give money to since number cannot be ported.00:44
DocScrutinizerI think they changed this some years ago, due to legislation in UK changed00:44
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, you mean i can port my number from to sipgate and make it a free inbound?00:45
DocScrutinizerdunno about porting number00:45
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, website doesnt mention free geographic number?00:47
DocScrutinizermeh, what else?00:47
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DocScrutinizer  Please select your future telephone number from our pre-selection list:00:48
trumeeN900 is behaving better with my * server now.00:49
DocScrutinizerImportant: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK00:49
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DocScrutinizerthis changed quite some time ago00:50
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trumeemaybe orbtalk or coms give out free inbounds as they used to do before.00:51
trumeebtw, does SIP on N900 support IM?00:51
trumee* server doesnt but maybe freeswitch supports it.00:52
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, did you try the vox app in repos. It supports MWI00:56
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DocScrutinizero.O :-D00:57
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DocScrutinizerI'd prefer twinklephone, but as things are twinklephone never will go qt400:58
trumeeplus vox app lets you set your own server which is cool00:58
trumee++ for twinkle00:58
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trumeegentoo doesnt even carry it now since it depends on qt300:59
DocScrutinizerlol, sure ++ for twinkle, I'm twinkle's godparent00:59
trumeeyeah, i used to follow group on yahoo.00:59
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trumeehmm. vox app might be in ovi store01:01
* DocScrutinizer burps01:01
DocScrutinizerwtf is ovi?01:01
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trumeeOvi, The Nokia Account authentication system is currently down. Please try again later. We apologize for the inconvenience.01:02
DocScrutinizer\o/ 1k itt-thanks01:03
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DocScrutinizerlooks darn like the standard client01:14
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: does telepathy as of standard maemo support MWI?01:15
evilbulg1rianhi, i cant seem to upgrade python2.5-minimal because pymaemo-optify cannot be installed but i see it as installed in dpkg -l01:16
trumeeDocScrutinizer, standard client + MWI01:16
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DocScrutinizerdoes the dialer support it, or has somebody (vox mobile) hacked it up?01:16
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trumeeDocScrutinizer, no telepathy doesnt support MWI. there is a bug number for that.01:17
DocScrutinizermeh, knew it01:17
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trumeewhat did you mean by dialer support?01:17
DocScrutinizerprolly they implemented a local proxy sitting between telepathy and the internet, to filter and handle the MWI INFO msgs01:18
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trumeeyeah. could be.01:18
DocScrutinizerat least that's what I'd do01:18
DocScrutinizerI'd use zimmerman's ZRTP implemetation for a template01:20
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DocScrutinizerthen throw out ~85% of the crypto and RTP related stuff, and add 7 sourcecode lines to deal with "INFO mwi" telegrams :-P01:21
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* rzr 's n810 need to be reflashed
infobotrumour has it, flashing is
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AranelI pushed XMP package to Extras 4 days ago and It's still not imported, why?01:41
jacekowskiAranel: name of package?01:44
Araneljacekowski: XMP01:44
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jacekowskii've heard that there was something wrong with promotion01:45
jacekowskipoke X-Fade01:45
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Aranelok then, gtg It's 2am here :) good night and thanks for help =)01:46
AranelI'm going to track this issue tomorrow.01:46
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timeless_xchatanyone here use jabber?01:48
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jacekowskii do01:48
* timeless_xchat is partway through a script01:48
ieatlintdoes gtalk count for you?01:48
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jacekowskii'm using real jabber01:49
jacekowskion my own ejabberd server01:49
timeless_xchatieatlint: not today01:49
timeless_xchatjacekowski : cool01:49
jacekowskiwhat do you need?01:50
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timeless_xchatrun that perl script on your n90001:51
timeless_xchat*not* as root01:51
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timeless_xchatit should generate 3 files in /tmp01:52
timeless_xchatwell, in theory it might generate more01:52
timeless_xchatbut i expect three01:52
timeless_xchatthe idea is that most jabbers *suck*01:52
timeless_xchatand run both insecure and ssl w/ broken certs01:53
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timeless_xchatthe goal is to retrieve the cert, generate a hosts line, update presence to use secure w/ hosts line01:54
jacekowskiyeah ok01:54
timeless_xchatand two other bits01:54
jacekowskiso what is that script doing01:54
timeless_xchatsome bits would go into a postinst01:54
timeless_xchatit finds your jabber host(s)01:54
timeless_xchatand tries to connect using ssl01:54
timeless_xchatoh, it doesn't currently handle the "no ssl server" case01:55
* timeless_xchat goes to add that01:55
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jacekowskiit failed on mine01:56
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timeless_xchat(failure is expected, but i need details)01:57
jacekowskizz: ring/tel/ring01:57
jacekowskizz: spirit/skype/jacekowski001:57
jacekowskizz: gabble/jabber/jacekowski_40jacekowski_2eorg001:57
jacekowskizz: sofiasip/sip/jacekowskikowski_40sip_2efreeconet_2epl001:57
jacekowskithat's what i have on terminal01:58
jacekowskiNokia-N900:~$ ls -la /tmp | grep jabb01:58
jacekowski-rw-r--r--    1 user     users          20 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits01:58
jacekowski-rw-r--r--    1 user     users           0 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits.cer01:58
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timeless_xchatok, so, either no ssl service01:59
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jacekowskii have ssl only server01:59
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jacekowskistarttls only01:59
jacekowskiwith no legacy ssl01:59
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timeless_xchatwhat's in the non empty file?01:59
jacekowskii suppose it's lack of legacy ssl02:01
timeless_xchatplease excuse my ignorance?02:02
jacekowskiwell, you can connect to port 5223 and connection is encrypted from moment you connect02:02
jacekowskithat's legacy ssl02:02
jacekowskiand there is option 202:02
jacekowskiconnect on 5222 and request start of encryption02:03
timeless_xchatso i need a different command to sclient02:03
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timeless_xchat -starttls xmpp02:04
jacekowskinot sure if anything except full jabber client has support for starttls02:05
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jacekowskiin jabber02:06
jacekowskiit's simpler with smtp for example02:06
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jacekowskijacekowski:~# nc 2502:06
jacekowski220 ESMTP Postfix02:06
jacekowski220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS02:06
jacekowskiand now encrypted connection starts02:06
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jacekowskiwith jabber you have to ask nicely if server has starttls support02:07
jacekowskiand then request it02:07
jacekowskii'm going to sleep02:07
jacekowskigood nigh02:07
timeless_xchattry adding what i wrote to the system line02:07
timeless_xchatquickly, please :)02:07
timeless_xchatoh well02:09
timeless_xchatanyone else have jabber?02:09
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timeless_xchatjacekowski : ok, your server is now handled by my script, thanks02:25
timeless_xchatsadly, it looks like handling multiple jabbers would almost certainly require 'nc'02:26
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DocScrutinizersocat FTW02:30
* DocScrutinizer curses socat for being so versatile I can't even recal where to look in the manpage for the proper cmdline arguments02:31
timeless_xchatfwiw, i need "listen" + "forward_to"02:32
DocScrutinizerwhen netcat is like notepad then socat is like a disk editor02:33
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DocScrutinizerprobably a `alias nc socat $1:stdin $1:stdout' or sth like that would do02:34
DocScrutinizertimeless_xchat: then it seems socat is for you02:35
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DocScrutinizerManual page socat(1) line 2649/2686 (END)  o.O02:36
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timeless_xchatdoc, i don't have time to deal w/ it02:36
timeless_xchatif i gave you params, could you make it work?02:36
DocScrutinizerlol, exactly what I'm thinking each single time02:37
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timeless_xchatif client disconnects, the port needs to survive02:37
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timeless_xchatand if host breaks, client connection needs to break02:38
DocScrutinizerman socat, /socat TCP:host2:4443 TUN:,up02:38
DocScrutinizerthere's a number of examples :-D02:39
timeless_xchatn900s don't have man :)02:39
DocScrutinizersocat -U TCP:target:9999,end-close TCP-L:8888,reuseaddr,fork02:39
DocScrutinizerit has, apt-get install n900-man-db02:39
|njsf|timeless_xchat mine has02:39
DocScrutinizerdunno if socat comes with manpages though02:40
|njsf|has DocScrutinizer said02:40
|njsf|no socat here02:41
DocScrutinizertimeless_xchat: took me only one week of whining and bitching, to make MohammadAG built mandb for me :-P02:41
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DocScrutinizerthough the eleventy time I moaned about it before nobody listened02:43
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kaiexhi. n900 with pr1.3 - xterm - german keyboard - I want to enter pipe - how? - in the past I could use blue-arrow+sym-strg key, but that seems to broken, no key-select-popup-menu02:44
DocScrutinizerdamn those socat cmdline examples look geeky02:45
timeless_xchatkaiex: try blue EUR02:45
DocScrutinizererr wut? blue-arrow+ctrl does not pop up vkbd?02:46
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timeless_xchatdoc; not if you have e.g. hebrew keyboard installed02:46
kaiexno popup02:46
timeless_xchatwhich repo(s) have socat?02:46
nox-i had that once in fennec(?), vkbd would just non pop up...02:47
DocScrutinizerlemme check for you02:47
kaiexbluearrow + y/€ key does give me € not pipe02:47
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search socat02:47
DocScrutinizersocat - multipurpose relay for bidirectional data transfer02:47
DocScrutinizerso it's either in extras, -devel, -testing, or tools :-P02:48
timeless_xchatkaiex : collapse hardware keyboard02:48
timeless_xchattrigger onscreen02:48
timeless_xchatdoc: apt-cache policy/show?02:48
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DocScrutinizerFilename: pool/fremantle/free/s/socat/socat_1.6.0.1-maemo5_armel.deb02:49
DocScrutinizerif that's what you asked for02:49
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kaiexhow trigger onscreen? weird, popup works in communi irc client, not in xterm02:50
DocScrutinizer  Candidate:
DocScrutinizer  Version table:02:50
DocScrutinizer 002:50
DocScrutinizer        500 fremantle-1.2/free Packages02:50
DocScrutinizer        500 fremantle-1.2/free Packages02:50
DocScrutinizerI still feel like my catalog selection is a mess, or why T F are there two identical refs?02:51
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MSJhelp plz02:52
kaiexalso, collapse and trigger popup keyboard works in irc client, broken in xterm02:52
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MSJanybody my nokia n900 having problem booting02:53
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ahynes1I've just upgraded to power44 and can no longer boot successfully02:53
timeless_xchatkaiex : tap screen of x terminal?02:54
kaiexnothing happens02:54
ahynes1I suspect it is because of I was running power40/multiboot/nitdroid02:54
MSJi installed hotspot on my nokia n900 now something called u-boot comes up and wouldt let it come into the maemo02:54
kaiexok thanks for your help i conclude my device or settings are messed up02:55
DocScrutinizerahynes1: yes, that's not really simple to update a kernel02:55
DocScrutinizeron multiboot/whatever bootmanager02:55
ahynes1MSJ hotspot depends on power-kernel  power-kernel was just updated to use uboot02:55
MSJoky how do i get my it m02:56
MSJback to normal02:56
ahynes1the power-kernel upgrade appears to have presented problems to a bunch of people.02:56
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MSJi can not reflash begause it dosent go to flash mode02:56
ahynes1Most likely you will have to reflash your device.02:56
MSJits not possible i can not do anything02:56
MSJit dosent connect my com and the nokia phone02:56
DocScrutinizeruBoot when finding a system on uSD boots that system unconditionally afaik02:56
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ahynes1You can probably get it to reflash...  I'll give talk you through it in a sec02:57
alteregoYou can tell it to boot maemo02:57
ahynes1Doc - uBoot is interruptable.02:57
MSJi can only write stuff on it when i try presssing u02:57
alteregoHas an interactive console02:57
ahynes1If you press a key during the first three seconds of the uboot sequence, it interrupts02:57
ahynes1MSJ You should try that... Boot, hit any key quickly....02:58
ahynes1Then, type   run noloboot02:58
ahynes1That may get you back into your N90002:58
ahynes1If that fails, power off the N900 (remove battery if necessary to do it)02:59
MSJimage name kernal power still02:59
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ahynes1Start the flasher command on your host without the N900 on.02:59
DocScrutinizeror type run tictactoe and enjoy uBoot as an alternative OS to friggin bloated maemo (just kidding)02:59
ahynes1It should give you a 'waiting for USB type message)02:59
MSJwhait a sec03:00
ahynes1Then power on your N900...03:00
DocScrutinizerNO, just plug in unpowered N90003:00
DocScrutinizerit'll power up automatically03:00
MSJi can not shut i dont with presset the power botton03:01
ahynes1MSJ Remove the battery.03:01
MSJwhat then03:02
ahynes1Then, with flasher running on your host and the cable connected, put the battery back in03:02
ahynes1It should reboot and flash03:02
DocScrutinizerinsert battery, DO NOT power up, start flasher on PC, plug in N90003:02
DocScrutinizeror what ahynes1 said03:02
MSJi can flash on windows 7 32 bit right03:03
DocScrutinizerthough linux is much less trouble03:04
MSJi downlaoded the program flasher 3,5 to windows 703:04
MSJi dont have linux03:04
DocScrutinizeras windows tends to install drivers that occupy the USB port, when you connect N900 without flashing right away03:04
DocScrutinizerlinux also does that sometimes, but there you can simply rmmod the drivers that are getting in the way03:05
MSJthe cmd window does nothing03:06
MSJi have flashed it on windows 7 before and it worked03:06
DocScrutinizersounds like a windows problem03:06
MSJso what the probmen???03:06
DocScrutinizersorry, I hardly know to spell windows03:06
MSJit can not be for fun that nokia but the flasher towindows 703:06
ahynes1MSJ: I moved to Linux because of those problems....03:06
ahynes1However, there is another thing you may want to try.03:07
ahynes1Are you running the flasher program in Admin mode?03:07
MSJi try again in admin mode03:07
ahynes1I remember working on a Windows Vista box that flasher would work fine in admin mode, but hang if not in admin mode03:07
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DocScrutinizeryes, mandatory03:08
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MSJflasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f03:08
DocScrutinizerI think it's boldly mentioned in flashing page of wiki03:08
infobotsomebody said flashing was
DocScrutinizeralso 2010.19-1 is PR1.2 - is that what you want to do?03:09
MSJno sry03:11
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MSJi can not03:13
MSJi going to be crazy03:13
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DocScrutinizermake sure your battery is charged (I know, a difficult task when it's not booting properly) - as NOLO bootloader won't accept 'u' or flashing when battery is low03:20
DocScrutinizermake sure flasher on PC says "waiting... bla  blub whatever nagedinag" and NOT "device occupied" or any other error msg03:21
DocScrutinizerthen follow instruction as given above by ahynes1 - it must work. NOLO gets invoked before it even touches uBoot or anything else you might have messed up. So no way it could fail, except for your equipment (PC cable etc) or battery03:22
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MSJi try again03:27
DocScrutinizerawesome (game on TV by N900)03:30
javispedrothat's the power of the sgx :)03:30
DocScrutinizerthe magic of javispedro03:30
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DocScrutinizermaemo community creating a quite ambivalent and heterogenous experience. One moment you think "what a bunch of smart geeks" and next minute you run for the pumpgun to shoot lemmings03:33
DocScrutinizerwell I guess that's real life03:33
javispedrobe careful not to fall down a bottomless pit while chasing lemmings =)03:34
pupnikthat was some great low-res pixel work03:35
alteregoHeh, I'm laying in the darl, didn@t think my screen was dark enough: echo 5 to /sys/class/backlight/blah/brightness :)03:39
kaiexmy meego boot attempt stalls at "gen ssh rsa server key"03:39
SpeedEvilalterego: IIRC 2 is the minimum - for me03:39
javispedronote that step might take a lot03:39
SpeedEvilalterego: I wish it went lower personally.03:39
javispedrokaiex: wait two-three minutes before conceding defeat03:39
kaiexmore than 10 minutes and I gave up.03:40
SpeedEvilalterego: I want it to be usable without disturbing dark adaption.03:40
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alterego2 is good03:40
MSJdosent work03:40
MSJi am doomed03:40
alteregoNow, can I lower the brightness of the keypad using the leds interface?03:41
SpeedEvilalterego: Annoyingly, it seems to be controlled inside the LCD - the PWM is not coming from the CPU, so making it go dimer is harder03:41
alteregoHrm :/03:41
MSJno one knows how this u-boot works03:41
MSJis there no commands i can use to reset myu nokia n9003:42
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alteregoMSJ what do you mean reset?03:42
kaiexmsj have you read
MSJjust wanna have my phone back as it was03:42
ahynes1MSJ: Your best bet is reflashing the kernel, then use option 0 for a stock boot03:42
kaiexsee end of page03:42
alteregoMSJ: what is wrong with it now?03:43
MSJnothing works man... it boots on something called u-boot and just stops03:43
MSJno meamo starting03:44
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MSJlalix i dont want meego i want maemo03:44
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ahynes1MSJ: I think I've managed to recover my N900.03:45
* alterego sighs03:45
ahynes1I'm testing a few things now, and will write notes about how to rix things shortly03:45
MSJrecover your nokia from ???03:45
MSJu boot03:45
ahynes1My situation:  Had multiboot installed, had power kernel installed.03:46
ahynes1Did an update today which updated power kernel.03:46
ahynes1At this point my N900 stopped booting.03:47
ahynes1Reflashed kernel only....03:47
ahynes1rebooted using option 0 for stock reboot.03:47
ahynes1uninstalled multiboot, reinstalled multiboot.03:47
ahynes1(as well as the various multiboot kernel options)03:47
ahynes1Now, it appears to be working okay.03:48
ahynes1Just need to test a few more options.03:48
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MSJbut i have porblem just flashing the thing03:49
MSJwhat system is your computer03:49
alteregofor i in $(ls -d /sys/class/leds/*:kb*); do echo 5 > $i/led-current; done03:50
ahynes1That may simply be a windows 7 problem.03:50
alteregothink I might make a 'night-mode' script :)03:50
MSJoky what does it do03:50
ahynes1MSJ: Are you running your flasher command from a command prompt with administrative rights?03:50
MSJyes i right clik and run the cmd with admin mode03:51
MSJsomething wired happends now it says03:51
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MSJflsher-3.5 - F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f03:52
MSJwhen i write  this03:52
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MSJSW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_00203:53
MSJImage 'kernel', size 1705 kB03:53
MSJ        Version 2.6.28-20103103+0m503:53
MSJImage 'rootfs', size 185856 kB03:53
MSJ        Version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_00203:53
MSJFIASCO subimage data length mismatch03:53
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MSJwhy is that03:53
MSJon the cmd03:53
nox-i remember ppl here talking aber the linux flasher working better than the windows version03:53
MSJyearh but now only have windows 7 on mine so could we just focus on that plz people...03:54
ahynes1Are you sure your image file is okay  (Didn't get truncated in downloading, or anything like that?)03:55
DocScrutinizeralterego: keyboard leds are controlled in LP552303:55
ahynes1Also, you might try doing a kernel only reflash...03:55
DocScrutinizerany yes, you can controll these03:55
ahynes1That is what worked for me03:55
ahynes1flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R03:55
alteregoDocScrutinizer: I know, you can change their intensity with that one liner I just posted03:56
DocScrutinizerwas reading backscroll the natural direction top down03:56
MSJi download the global one now and try with that03:57
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alteregoJust wrote a little "" which makes the screen backlight the min 2 and the keypad 5, a lot nicer on the eyes :D03:57
timeless_xchatjacekowski : your certificate expired a month ago03:58
* timeless_xchat kicks cmcli03:58
timeless_xchatno warning if certificate is expired03:58
timeless_xchatjust no import03:58
MSJi hate my self for instaling hotspot shit program03:58
MSJwhy do people not warning people about these programs03:58
alteregoMSJ: they do03:59
alteregoThere's a disclaimer on all installs :P03:59
MSJso i am never there when it happends... i lever install a program that i dont know off.. from now on...03:59
alteregoNot to mention, you're installing from extras-devel ..03:59
MSJi thought i could always been flashed back to what it is04:00
MSJbot like this04:00
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MSJi can still charnge the battery or what04:01
MSJwhen its on that boot thing04:02
alteregoDo we have a "complete" gpio mapping?04:02
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lolcatAny more fun things I need for my maemo device?04:02
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DocScrutinizeralterego: not at all04:03
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DocScrutinizeruBoot source might have a partial one04:04
alteregoI guess we can get it all from the schematics04:04
DocScrutinizerhmm, yes04:04
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alteregoI'm only asking for my MeeGo work ;)04:05
chxi wonder whether we could appeal to Nokia to releae more open source now that tehy abandoned the device. (I presume they did, wasnt PR1.3 the last?)04:05
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DocScrutinizeralterego: tbh I just don't know04:05
alteregoblasphemy in here :D04:05
DocScrutinizermaybe there's a nice gpio.h somewhere in the maemo git04:05
alteregochx: there are still a few killer issues that need fixing, I really hope there's at least a pr1.3.1 ;)04:06
sheepbatI see we have a lolcat in here04:06
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wmaronewhy is my phone acting like all of my pictures are being taken rotated 90 degrees04:08
* wmarone pokes it04:08
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SpeedEvilThe accel can get wedged04:09
SpeedEvilrequiring a reboot to fix it04:09
wmaronehmm, will try that04:10
alterego"wedged" what does that mean exactly :P04:11
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SpeedEvilOne or more axes gets stuck at an extreme.04:13
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SpeedEvilprobably not.04:16
kaiexmeego boot attempt on n900 has now been stalling for 24 minutes... Still no change04:16
* alterego wonders how long it'll take to decompress and dd the meego image to his microsd all on the N90004:16
SpeedEviltry generating some entropy04:17
SpeedEvilpress buttons04:17
kaiex... Ssh1 rsa host keygwn04:17
SpeedEvilrandomly for a bit04:17
alteregoWeird, I've never had that issue04:17
alteregoI must be in a high entropy area04:17
SpeedEvilThat is a clear bug.04:18
SpeedEvilIf the touchscreen is actie04:19
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alteregoGood evening MohammadAG5104:20
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kaiexdont know about touch screen. But pressed keys are shown on screen04:21
alteregoAnyone going to be at the conference next week?04:21
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kaiexNo effect yet04:21
SpeedEvilI mean - if the touchscreen is active - it can generate lots of entropy04:21
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SpeedEvilI'd mount the image from some ther OS, and drop a ssh key on it04:22
alteregoStill, I've not had that issue when I've booted the image04:22
alterego851Mb still decompressing.04:24
alteregoAnyone know how big the image is? :)04:25
alteregoCan't be much more than a gig04:25
kaiexuboot prompt should allow more time to type. Shuts down n900 if i type slowly04:25
kaiex1.9x gig04:26
alteregokaiex: that's the N900s hardware watchdog04:26
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alteregoIt needs to be poll'd every 20 seconds or something or the device restarts, if you set a couple of flags in r&d mode on your n900 with the flasher you can disable the watchdog04:27
kaiexthen maybe the command should be shorter. Run nl04:27
alteregolrn2type :P04:28
kaiexDifficult in bed in the dark; keyboard is not lit04:28
alteregoAh yes, that is a problem :D04:29
alteregoNow, how long will it take to write the image :D04:35
alteregoanyway, bed time, night folks04:37
pupniknite alterego04:37
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JudibetHi all!04:42
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nox-you back on maemo now pupnik?04:46
pupnikno but i still like these arm cpus and linux04:47
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pupnikexcept they broke my thinkpad touchscreen with latest updates04:47
pupniki could go back to an old sidux cd04:47
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Termanagood morning05:32
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Gorrothuploading my second revision of the ettercap package to extras-devel06:20
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Gorrothokay, package is in extras-devel now.  this time it supports ncurses and also GTK06:34
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Gorrothand it has PCRE support in it.  so, it has everything except passive DNS.  can't figure out yet why -lresolv isn't working for that06:34
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jpinx-eeepcwhere can I change the behaviour of the screen-off timer - Apart from the gui which does not allow me a "no screen off" option.07:41
jpinx-eeepcon charge the screen stays on, but when fully charged and still plugged in because of the usb network the screen goes off according to the timer, making my vnc session a bit redundant :(07:42
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johnxwhat I would do is check gconf for the timeout07:44
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johnxyou might be abe to set it to an arbitrary number07:44
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: gconf is where?07:51
johnxgconftool -R / | more07:51
johnxthe values are stored in multiple places07:52
jpinx-eeepcok - thanks07:52
jpinx-eeepcfwiw - this has only become an issue since the recent os update....07:53
johnxah, isn't there a setting to keep the screen on while charging?07:56
jpinx-eeepcjohnx: yes - but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in07:59
johnxthat has to be a mistake ...08:00
johnx(I mean on their part, not yours)08:00
jpinx-eeepcI reckon it's a bug in the update08:01
johnxanyways, on the N8x0 there was no "screen on during charging" but there was a way to change the list of time-outs in the menu08:02
johnx24 hours is a pretty good choice, for example :)08:02
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jpinx-eeepcyea - I'd set it for something like 2 hours, as that is probably the maximum I will use vnc for08:04
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: that gconftool thingie is going to take me a week to read :(08:11
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jpinx-eeepcjohnx: thank goodness I brought it up in a screen session ;)08:16
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johnxjpinx-eeepc, awesome. use the 'search' tool in screen to look for likely candidates: timeout, display, screen, dim, and that kind of thing08:17
jpinx-eeepcyep - just been doing that ;)08:17
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slonopotamusMaemo ULTimate BOOTloader - what's that?08:26
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Appiahsounds like a ultimate bootloader08:31
Appiahfor maemo08:31
slonopotamusu-boot? one more shellscript like bootmenu?08:32
lucentor a famous deli sandwich08:34
strcpyIs the "smscon" application developer around ?08:35
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* slonopotamus wonders what's the point posting flash videos that require flash10 on maemo planet that is likely to be read with maemo devices that do not have flash1008:41
Appiahto mess with people08:42
Appiahand have a good laugh?08:42
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slonopotamusanother question is what was the reason to require flash10 at all.08:43
AppiahI belive thats default if you create a flash..08:43
slonopotamusdefault is upload to youtube/vimeo/whatever08:43
slonopotamusAppiah: that just makes me think that poster is kinda short-minded08:44
slonopotamusor doesn't use maemo devices actually :)08:45
Appiahthen complain to the poster?08:45
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slonopotamusAppiah: will do on next post maybe :)08:46
* slonopotamus tries to remember how to disable that braindamaged thing that triggers reboot on n8x0 on intensive swapping08:47
johnxslonopotamus, watchdog?08:49
slonopotamusjohnx: afair, yep08:50
keriowasn't flash 10 released for the n900 in *some* way?08:50
Appiahor do you mean flashtweak?08:50
slonopotamuskerio: "some way" - ?08:50
kerioslonopotamus: wink wink nudge nudge saynomore08:50
lucentslonopotamus: that's... special.08:50
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slonopotamus_kerio: maemo has 9,0,277,008:55
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SwedeMikemy N900 is running dnsmasqd, is this part of the normal install, or is this something that came with some other package?08:59
johnxnormal install09:00
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SwedeMikehm, so my DNS64/NAT64 problems shouldn't be related to this? :P09:00
johnxwell, it could be09:00
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johnxbut a reflash probably won't fix it09:01
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SwedeMikebecause the t-mobile people are saying they have 100 N900 users on DNS64/NAT64 working fine09:01
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johnxI was like "NAT64 on t-mo?!" then, I remembered you're on t-mo in a different country :)09:02
SwedeMikethey're running test customers in the US. I'm in sweden, and I work for Tele2, we have 2G/3G/4G too.09:03
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DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: ( but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in )  this would mean this is either a new bug in 1.3, or it completely nonsensically occurs only when charging via host but not for wallwart charger09:03
SwedeMikeso my test isn't really related to t-mobile apart from me exchanging experiences with them09:03
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johnxDocScrutinizer, jpinx-eeepc indicated it was new behavior with PR1.3, as far as he could tell09:04
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: the latter is most unlikely, and the behaviour most definitely only started after the update09:04
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DocScrutinizerjohnx: so another side effect aka bug introduced by 161191 :-/09:04
SwedeMikehm, changing resolver to our DNS64-gateway doesn't seem to fix it, so it's not related to dnsmasqd09:05
DocScrutinizerjohnx: NB#16119109:05
johnxinfobot, you're lazy09:05
johnxaaah, well that's not helpful then09:05
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DocScrutinizerno, infobot is out of the gane09:06
jpinx-eeepclazybot )09:06
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johnxinfobot, sorry. we're all in this together it seems09:06
DocScrutinizerpovbot is lost on NB#09:06
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SwedeMikehm, so I've had my N900 since newyears, only repo I have enabled is extras-testing, and I haven't really mucked around that much with other weird packages (I've installed nmap, traceroute, tcpdump and a few others), updated normally via appmanager. I don't really have experience with re-flashing, how much work is it to get back to where I was if I re-flash it? is there an especially good guide for this?09:08
DocScrutinizerwe (council, kernel hackers) already decided it has to die, err get reverted09:08
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DocScrutinizerthough I can't yet make a story out of the timer thing and how it's related to this09:09
SwedeMikeis still working?09:09
johnxSwedeMike, take a backup, reflash, apply the parts of the backup you want to keep, possibly redo settings in apps that don't hook into the backup system09:09
johnxreinstall apps09:09
slonopotamus_SwedeMike: you want doublereflash? why?09:09
SwedeMikeslonopotamus_: I have weird problems with IPv6 that I have a hard time diagnosing, so I'm considering reflash09:10
infoboti guess flashing is
DocScrutinizerdo a backup first09:10
DocScrutinizerrestore after flashing09:10
DocScrutinizerthough odds are you restore your problems as well09:10
SwedeMikem, might be.09:11
johnxI tend to restore just my contacts and message log09:11
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DocScrutinizeron a second thought... as backup app only backups apps that came by HAM...09:11
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johnxDocScrutinizer, not necessarily true I think. I think apps make an entry to have their stuff backed up09:11
DocScrutinizerwell, you're free to reflash as often as you like, and to restore partially09:12
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timeless_mbpjohnx: so...09:12
johnxtimeless_mbp, dead hard drive09:12
SwedeMikeoki, I have plenty of time this evening or tomorrow so I'm going to try that.09:12
timeless_mbpwhat's the "easiest" way to move the system's date to X; do something and restore date to Y09:12
timeless_mbpjohnx: ignoring that for a bit09:12
johnxdate -s && echo I'm in the future && date -s09:13
johnxI think it's -s09:13
johnxman date09:13
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: that's been a question?09:13
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timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: my mac is panic'ing under zfs09:13
johnxbut why not just do it now and then touch the file with whatever date you want09:13
timeless_mbpjohnx: because i'm talking to a stupid program09:13
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timeless_mbpwhich validates certificates against system time09:14
DocScrutinizerstop ntp, date -s, do whatever you want09:14
timeless_mbpnot really sufficient09:14
timeless_mbpto do that, i need to also store ticks since system boot and then properly restore them09:15
DocScrutinizererr sure?09:15
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp found mushrooms09:16
johnxDocScrutinizer, let's watch to see if they're the kind that kill him or the kind that trip him out09:16
timeless_mbpdate requires one to set minutes09:16
timeless_mbp(vaguely annoying)09:16
johnx-f for input format09:16
johnxI like seconds since the epoch myself09:17
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timeless_mbpideally i could say "set the date to today - Xdays"09:18
timeless_mbpand "set the date to today + Xdays"09:18
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: so do it, just do it09:18
johnxso write a script ...09:18
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johnxbash isn't hard. I promise09:18
DocScrutinizerdate -s "friday next week teatime"09:19
DocScrutinizer^^^ valid for gnu date09:19
johnxPHP's date handling is close to that ...09:19
johnxI think os x uses bsd date09:19
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timeless_mbposx does09:19
timeless_mbpthankfully i only have to talk to n900's busybox date09:20
timeless_mbpand maybe gnu date if someone is stupid enough to poison their n90009:20
DocScrutinizermessybox, pffft09:20
* timeless_mbp tries to figure out what busybox date likes09:20
kerioi still don't get why we're using busybox instead of something good09:20
timeless_mbpkerio: can we not go there?09:21
timeless_mbpsome of us need to get work done in time for a presentation on meego09:21
DocScrutinizermessybox likes nuttin, and nobody likes messybox09:21
keriono, let's go there09:21
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: sounds about right09:21
keriolong ride to school, i have nothing fun to do09:21
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DocScrutinizerkerio: RAM footprint, mainly09:22
timeless_mbpkerio: write me a script which: sets date to +/- Xdays; runs arbitrary command, sets date to -/+ Xdays09:22
keriotimeless_mbp: nothanks09:22
timeless_mbpwell, maybe both09:22
timeless_mbpkerio: you said you have nothing to do!09:22
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: may the script consist of apt-get install cmds as well? :-P09:23
timeless_mbpDocScrutinizer: what are you going to install?09:23
DocScrutinizerdate, obviously09:23
peb_good morning folks!09:24
johnxit does seem to insist on minutes09:25
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keriotimeless_mbp: my script so far starts with apt-get install easy-debian09:25
johnxactually, timeless_mbp, there's a pretty simple way to do it, having date do most of the conversion work09:26
johnxI think ...09:26
timeless_mbpjohnx: what worries me is that i can't see any safe way to undo drift09:26
timeless_mbpit really needs to let me say "set clock back -Xdays"09:26
johnxit will09:27
timeless_mbpit's ok for me to do "set clock back -X<y*minutesperday>minutes"09:27
johnxwell, the little function I'm writing will09:27
DocScrutinizerjohnx: not with messybox date, it's braindead09:27
johnxDocScrutinizer, well, you have to do the conversion, then set the time, I mean, yeah, maybe we'll be off by a couple seconds09:28
DocScrutinizerundo drift? o.O09:28
johnxnah, not that09:28
johnxjust make a date wrapper that understands setting the clock back by n time-units09:28
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johnxbut yeah, who cares about the drift :P09:28
DocScrutinizerdate -s whatever; do whatever; hwclock --hctosys09:29
johnxthat sounds good too09:29
DocScrutinizerwhere you all found those mushrooms? :-P09:30
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jvesiluomahmmh, I think I'll change my web interface thingie from php to cgi or something09:31
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# date09:31
DocScrutinizerDo., 11. Nov. 2010 08:31:21 GMT-109:31
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# date -d "-5 days"09:31
DocScrutinizerSa.,  6. Nov. 2010 08:31:35 GMT-109:31
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DocScrutinizerapt-get install core-utils-gnu09:32
DocScrutinizers/-d/-s/ ; for really setting the time09:33
timeless_mbpwe do have /sbin/hwclock09:33
timeless_mbpwarning: also busybox09:34
DocScrutinizer*shrug* yep, that's not like diablo09:34
timeless_mbpit was missing?09:34
DocScrutinizerafaik yes09:34
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meceare there instructions in the wiki on flashing kernel only?09:38
mecewith flasher09:38
johnxmece, flasher --help will tell you09:39
johnxit's -k for kernel only09:39
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mecejohnx, well it was not for me09:39
* mece sighs09:40
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mecethe "noob friendly" tutorial for dual booting meego at work09:40
johnxtell them to google: maemo flasher kernel only09:41
johnxfirst link is to the maemo wiki with the proper instructions09:41
johnxah, well, kinda09:41
* timeless_mbp sighs09:41
timeless_mbpi know i've created a 0 length symlink on bsd before09:42
* timeless_mbp can't remember how09:42
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timeless_mbpah /tmp's file system doesn't support it!09:45
mecejohnx, gave him this
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DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: (offset. drift?):09:46
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` + 1 day"09:47
DocScrutinizerDo., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-109:47
DocScrutinizerDo., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-109:47
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 1 day"09:47
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DocScrutinizerbtw i found a bug in date, by using an offset of 5 days instead 1 day. Seems DST switch confuses hell out of date's calculations09:49
DocScrutinizeror dunno what09:49
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-2 days' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 2 days"09:50
DocScrutinizerDo., 11. Nov. 2010 08:50:20 GMT-109:50
DocScrutinizerMi., 10. Nov. 2010 07:50:20 GMT-109:50
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DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d 'now -2 hours' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` +2 hours"09:54
DocScrutinizerDo., 11. Nov. 2010 08:53:42 GMT-109:54
DocScrutinizerDo., 11. Nov. 2010 06:53:42 GMT-109:55
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DocScrutinizerfriggin mushrooms09:57
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knightstalkerHello,I had question if h-e-n (Usb host mode enabler) does all the work(kernel install,l2p thingy and..)?09:58
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phellarv1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)?10:06
madduckafter the recent upgrade of Maemo on the N900, must I use a different repository for extras?10:09
* madduck lost his vpn client10:09
DocScrutinizerknightstalker: yes10:09
knightstalkerI haven't changed my repositories10:09
madduckknightstalker: fremantle-1.3?10:09
knightstalkerDoc,Wow,That would be great10:09
knightstalkeryeah PR1.310:10
knightstalkerDoc,so now I just need female to female thingy?10:10
infobotrumour has it, hostmode is
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DocScrutinizerknightstalker: that adapter and a bit of fun with experimenting10:10
DocScrutinizerknightstalker: nothing in maemo is prepared to do hostmode10:11
knightstalkerI was just excited for experimenting too :P10:11
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madducki used to have a vpn client that integrated with the system menu (tap on the clock) and worked quite nicely, but it seems to be gone :(10:11
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knightstalkermadduck,hmm,after upgrading as I remember,you needed to install anything again10:12
madduckright, but i can't even find it in APT10:13
knightstalkerahh,There are no debs around either?10:13
knightstalker*.deb I mean10:14
madducki forgot what the software was called. :(10:14
timeless_mbpvpnc ?10:14
madduckah vpnc-gui10:14
madduckand "restore applications" lists it10:14
DocScrutinizerknightstalker: I suggest you wait 12..48h, Mohammad (where's he gone??) is about to prepare a new pkg based on better power-kernel10:14
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: fwiw  th package "currency converter" is a total fail after the update too. I've tried removing and re-installing it10:14
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madduckbut they cannot be installed. missing dependencies (something python2.5)10:15
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knightstalkermadduck,hmm,python2.5 is installed here10:19
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knightstalkerDoc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)?10:19
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knightstalkersorry if the question was nubbish :p10:23
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johnxtimeless_mbp, nah. I'm married10:28
timeless_mbpyou're fruity10:28
madduckmy problem seems related to qt410:28
madduckpython2.5-qt4-common is uninstallable10:29
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johnxtimeless_mbp, so, why are you so worried about a second or two of drift?10:29
phellarv1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)?10:29
madduckand for the PyQT 4 Full install, libqt4-test is also missing10:29
timeless_mbpit's kinda rude to break someone's clock10:29
timeless_mbpbut yeah, i can live w/ 50s drift10:29
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madduckhm, the description says PR1.210:29
johnxwhy would it be that much?10:29
madduckthat might be the problem10:29
timeless_mbpphellarv: you can try listening to dbus to see if conic is chatty10:30
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andaxphellarv: possibly nmap?10:31
timeless_mbpandax: not technically10:32
timeless_mbpif process-1 asks for a network and process-2 uses it10:32
timeless_mbpyou'll blame 2 which is wrong10:32
timeless_mbpis probably the documentation10:33
timeless_mbpbut basically, run dbus-monitor and see if browser is chatty on dbus when you ask it to load a page w/o a network10:34
knightstalkerDoc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)?10:34
timeless_mbpif it is, then you can listen for dbus10:34
knightstalkereh,That question was about Usb host mode10:34
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knightstalkerah,and my last question will be if h-e-n supports Cd writers10:36
RST38hEHLO, punks10:37
madduckcan anyone even install vpnc-gui or vpnc?10:37
madduckwith new maemo?10:38
johnxRST38h, 250-johnx10:39
RST38hjohnx: evening!10:39
johnxRST38h, usually I only answer if the second argument is an FQDN10:39
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RST38hjohnx: Do you by any chance know what nitroid kernel patches are and if they are safe to have permanently in the kernel?10:40
RST38hjohnx: Ok, consider yourself hacked.10:40
knightstalkermadduck,Installation done,its now processing triggers for catorise10:40
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timeless_mbpmadduck: dunno about instal10:40
johnxRST38h, I have about this much interest in android *holds fingers really close together*10:40
timeless_mbpbut i'm using it10:40
johnxso no idea about nitdroid10:40
timeless_mbpand iirc i got an update for it10:40
timeless_mbpknightstalker: so...10:41
timeless_mbpthere's a different10:41
knightstalkerMine installed too :p10:41
infobottimeless_mbp meant: there's a difference10:41
RST38hjohnx: not exactly an android fan either, but Mohammad is including a kernel into his community SSU10:41
timeless_mbpif you install foo and then OTA from pr1.2 to pr1.310:41
RST38hjohnx: And I have been wondering if android stuff is kosher to have there by default10:41
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timeless_mbpit's possible that you might not be able to install foo on 1.3 even though you installed it on 1.2 and updated to 1.310:41
meceomg wtf don't I know this?? Wwhen doing at echo "do something" >> how do I get a new line?10:41
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johnxI heard it was pretty invasive, but it might not have any actual effect in day-to-day use10:42
timeless_mbpmece: echo >> myscript.sh10:42
RST38hmece: Use printf? (yes, there is printf in shell)10:42
phellarvtimeless_mbp: I think I have a rogue prcess somewhere - My N900 is connecting to the net alot lately.10:42
mecetimeless_mbp: that gives a new empty line?10:42
phellarvtimeless_mbp: So thanks for the pointers10:42
timeless_mbpmece:  try it?10:42
mecetimeless_mbp, I shall.10:42
timeless_mbpphellarv: it's actually a useful app10:42
timeless_mbplemme know if you write it, i'll toss you some CUR via paypal10:43
madduckknightstalker: I don't even see it in APT; which catalogs do you have?10:43
johnxmece, echo -e '\n'10:43
mecethe -e means it understands \n?10:43
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johnxthe -e means interpret escape sequences or something10:44
RST38hjohnx: Looking at FreeBSD tcsh echo, it only has -n10:45
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RST38hjohnx: Which is "do not print EOLN character"10:45
knightstalkermedduck,hmm,have you tried to sudo apt-get install vpnc-gui in the terminal?10:45
johnxRST38h, interesting. even busybox echo has -e10:45
madduck seems a bit outdated, e.g. the ovi list doesn't even exist on their web server anymore10:45
knightstalkerfirst do apt-get update btw10:45
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johnxRST38h, what about /bin/echo?10:45
RST38hecho: shell built-in command.10:45
madduckknightstalker: yes, vpnc-gui does not exist as apackage in APT10:45
X-Fadeachipa: ping?10:46
RST38hjohnx: it prints "-e" :)10:46
madducki am still running freemantle, not gregale, right?10:46
meceoh well.. timeless_mbp's method worked fine10:46
RST38hjohnx: There is a semi-proper printf though, right in the shell10:46
achipaX-Fade: pomg10:47
timeless_mbpmadduck: gregale is a few years old...10:47
timeless_mbpand requires different hardware10:47
knightstalkermadduck,I have Nokia Applications,Nokia system software update,Ovi,,extras-testing)10:47
X-Fadeachipa: I wiped the 4.7.5 versions, will you upload new ones soon?10:47
achipaX-Fade: wanted to yesterday, but something came up, so prolly today10:47
madduckknightstalker: can you show me your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list pklease?10:47
X-Fadeachipa: Ok.10:48
achipaX-Fade: did you get rid of the libmeegotouch stuff in free too ?10:48
knightstalkermadduck,a sec10:48
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X-Fadeachipa: No, but I will do that now.10:48
achipaX-Fade: in fact, could you talk to the guy directly so we don't play ... what's the name of that game in english... mute-phones ?10:48
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X-Fadeachipa: It is only meegotouchtheme, right?10:50
knightstalkerThere you go10:50
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madduckhm, i am missing the last one10:51
andaxmece: echo "" && echo "2nd line"10:51
madducki wonder why10:51
achipaerrr... libmeegotouch*10:51
achipano, wait10:51
madduckandax: you don't need "" there, that's DOS10:51
X-Fadeachipa: there is no libmeegotouch in free.10:52
timeless_mbpooh, there's an update for tweakr10:52
madduckand you could just use print or printf10:52
DocScrutinizerknightstalker: please read the thread, from post #1 to very end. h-e-n supports all rsp nothing. CD-writers are 'supported' by programs like mkisofs, k3b, whatnot. h-e-n is just about USB. If it's USB then h-e-n supports it, basically10:52
andaxmadduck, uhm, right :)10:52
knightstalkerDoc,and you didn't answer my first question :P,About if I can use my own n900 adapter,using its female part to connect it to the usb10:52
DocScrutinizerwhere T F is a female part there?10:53
knightstalkerHmm,dunno :P10:53
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DocScrutinizersorry, you seem to make no sense to me10:54
knightstalkerisn't the big part of it called female :o10:54
johnxknightstalker, you're do for a talk about the birds and the bees ...10:54
madduckuh,* seems to no longer exist10:54
tugrikknightstalker: the pointy bits are male, the holes are female - which is applicable to most contexts10:54
knightstalkertugrik,ah thanks10:55
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chibi-taigano reply still10:59
chibi-taigato fix radio10:59
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madduckaah, it needs httpS://11:00
madducki really wonder why i need to configure this manually and the upgrade didn't do it.11:00
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madduckstill no vpn app11:00
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madduckknightstalker: could you run 'apt-get -d install vpnc-gui' and show me the output?11:01
TermanaDesirechibi-taiga: I swear to God if you haven't read/tried what was said to you about your issue I will kick your head off11:01
knightstalkermadduck,k,I'll need to remove vpnc-gui first though11:02
knightstalkergive me a sec11:02
madduckknightstalker: or just apt-cache policy vpnc-gui11:02
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knightstalkera sec11:03
chibi-taigai readed this but it tdidnt work11:03
knightstalkerthere you go madduck11:03
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madduckknightstalker: you must have other files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, do you?11:04
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madduckand /etc/apt/sources.list?11:05
Chibi-Taigaso what can i do now?11:05
madduckknightstalker: in, there is no " fremantle/free" repository11:05
knightstalkerstill no11:05
knightstalkermadduck,I am willing to give you SSH con though :P11:06
knightstalkerdespite its risk XD11:06
knightstalkermadduck,I just nano'ed and gave you the results11:06
madducknah, i don't need it, but thanks11:06
madduck does not exist11:06
X-Fademadduck: moment, regenerating.11:07
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X-Fademadduck: hmm no, misread the url that is sdk. ;)11:09
X-FadeAnd that url can't exist. it is either sdk/ root tools/11:10
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infobotX-Fade meant: And that url can't exist. it is either sdk/ or tools/11:10
timeless_mbpX-Fade: ? does extras-devel have fremantle1.3 v. fremantle v. fremantle1.2 ?11:11
madduckuh, is there a wiki page that lists the normal contents of this file?11:11
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: notice the /extras/ missing.11:11
timeless_mbpX-Fade: unrelated question11:11
madduckapparently, after the flash, the repository list wasn't setup properly11:11
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madduckso now I need to regenerate it by hand because a lot of stuff isn't working anymore.11:12
knightstalkermadduck,didn't you have any backups made?11:12
madduckyes, i did11:12
knightstalkereh,my backup restored everything11:12
knightstalkereven the catalogs11:12
madduckand the backups are failing to restore because certain packages cannot be installed11:12
knightstalkeromg -.-11:13
madducki really wonder where you are getting vpnc-gui from11:13
timeless_mbpmadduck: it might be vpngui11:13
madduckknightstalker: could you remove it, run apt-get clean and then apt-get -d --print-uris install vpnc-gui to get the full URL11:13
knightstalkermadduck sure11:14
madducktimeless_mbp: # dpkg -l vpn\*11:14
madduckNo packages found matching vpn*.11:14
knightstalkera sec again11:14
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* timeless_mbp frowns11:16
knightstalkerdone,paste binning11:16
madduckmight be extras-testing11:17
timeless_mbpX-Fade: why does ham want me to upgrade ~9 packages from v X to v X when i switch from testing to devel?11:17
timeless_mbpvpngui is definitely in devel11:17
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Because devel has newer versions?11:17
timeless_mbpX-Fade: "newer" versions w/ the same version number?11:17
knightstalkermadduck,as I see it says extras-devel in the link11:17
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X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Not possible.11:18
timeless_mbpX-Fade: how do i prove this short of taking a bunch of screen captures?11:18
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: what does apt-get say?11:18
timeless_mbpprobably "someone else is holding the apt lock" :)11:18
X-FadeHehe, yeah close ham :)11:19
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madduckknightstalker: thanks, that was it11:26
madducki didn't know i had those extras-* repos in my previous install11:26
timeless_mbpmadduck: so, um11:27
Chibi-Taigaanyways no one can help me fix radio?11:28
timeless_mbpif you use backup, it should store your repo list and your package list11:28
timeless_mbpso restore should just work11:28
timeless_mbpchibi-taiga: don't install third party kernels if you want things to work11:28
madducktimeless_mbp: it did not in this case. :(11:28
Chibi-Taigawell i didnt had any problems befor i updated11:29
Chibi-Taigaand i use same apps/kernels11:30
villevsomeone with ssh session open to the device w/ pr1.3 - could you kindly execute this:11:30
villevmd5sum /usr/lib/
villevand say whether you get 5b2368e9a64.....11:30
villevor ab7bb3d39dfeb47360d11:31
villevit seems there are 2 kinds of pr1.3 going around11:31
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Chibi-Taigai updated mines trough nsu311:31
villevanyony got 5b23...?11:31
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timeless_mbpvillev: i got something else11:35
* timeless_mbp didn't use ssh, just x terminal11:36
villevtimeless_mbp: so you have hacked something on your device?11:36
villevor do you have an internal nokia image?11:36
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timeless_mbpare you sure this isn't just prelink giving random hashes?11:36
villevno, I'm not. please elaborate :)11:37
timeless_mbphrm, maybe we stopped doing it11:37
* timeless_mbp shrugs11:37
timeless_mbpi'm using pr1.3 but yeah, i got it a bit early11:38
timeless_mbp(like a month?)11:38
Chibi-Taigaohwell thx for the support11:40
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chem|stvillev: there are 3 different versions but I do not understand why the standard c++ lib should be different?!11:53
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X-Fadetimeless_mbp: No idea, those packages are the same.11:54
chem|stvillev: which version is the ab7.. sum from? got the 5b23... from PR1.2 OTA updated to PR1.311:55
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timeless_mbpX-Fade: i have a bunch of others :(11:55
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Maybe mvo knows.11:55
timeless_mbp!summon mvo11:56
timeless_mbpno workee11:56
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Well it is easier for you to visit him than for me.11:56
timeless_mbpoh sure, make me get out of bed11:56
timeless_mbpbefore noon!11:57
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Only just. :)11:57
timeless_mbp3 whole minutes!11:57
timeless_mbpit's an outrage!11:57
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chem|stmadduck: how did you get pr1.3 and is it a country version?12:00
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smooph1hey guys ... i have a bit of a problem ... the phone app is too slow12:06
timeless_mbpinteresting problem12:06
timeless_mbphow is this harming you?12:06
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smooph1it harms me in the way that i cannot answer a call12:07
X-Fadesmooph1: That means it is time to reboot your phone.12:07
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X-Fadesmooph1: Yes, not good. But that will help.12:07
timeless_mbpsmooph: how many third party apps are you running/have you installed/do you have on your desktop/do you have in your system notification area12:07
smooph1when getting a call a couple of seconds pass till i can get the phone out and another couple of seconds till the screen shows the call than another couple of seconds till its in horizontal and then the call is gone12:07
smooph1sory vertical12:08
timeless_mbpis that a software or hardware detail?12:08
smooph1screen rotation ?12:08
timeless_mbpmaybe you need a bluetooth headset so you can answer w/o fishing for your phone12:08
timeless_mbpok 'portrait'12:09
smooph1ok yes portrait12:09
timeless_mbpso, the phone doesn't need to use portrait mode12:09
X-FadeThe problem is that your phone is swapping like mad a that point.12:09
timeless_mbpalthough if you're pulling it out of your pocket, you'll probably bring it into portrait mode12:09
lcuksmooph1, check the turning control in the preferences, try the other options12:09
smooph1no desktop widget other than calendar home widget and conversation12:09
smooph1timeless_mbp: yes12:10
timeless_mbpis that a widget or a shortcut?12:10
timeless_mbpif it's a widget, i don't know it12:10
timeless_mbpi'd kill that first12:10
timeless_mbpand calendar second12:10
timeless_mbpalso, how many presence services are you using?12:11
chem|stsmooph1: and restart hildon-home or the changes have no effekt12:11
nidOalso, maybe have a timeout of longer than 6 seconds before having calls go to voicemail12:11
chem|stsmooph1: dont kill it, use proper dsme commands12:11
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chem|stsmooph1: have a look what is hogging your cpu when you just slide open the keyboard from standby12:12
smooph1is there a way to speed up the change between landscape and portrait12:12
smooph1because i think this is more the problem than some widget12:13
nidOyes, transitions.ini - there're many tutorials on tmo detailing how to change the transitions and suggestions on optimum settings12:13
nidOaltering the rotation angle, speeding up the rotate, and reducing the blankout can make a difference with call rotations12:13
nidObut really, if the time for the transition effect to happen is causing you to miss your calls, your best solution's really gonna be not having them go to voicemail so fast..12:14
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chem|stnidO: isn't the call rotate and answer delayed by purpose? afair that is a "feature" of pr1.3 to prevent something12:14
smooph1nidO: sounds good .... thanks to the other tips too but I honestly don't want to disable the widgets12:15
nidOchem|st: the actual effect of the rotation itself when it happens is handled by transitions.ini though, and it can be sped up and made smoother12:15
chem|stnidO: yeah I know but I remember reading about a delay on purpose in pr1.312:16
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RobbieThe1stHi, all12:16
timeless_mbpchem|st: interesting..12:17
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chem|stsmooph1: I had a widget hogging my cpu after about 8h of use anytime I return from standby, on screen or not, 100s of gettimeofday commands were send12:17
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smooph1chem|st: so what should I do ?12:18
chem|sttimeless_mbp: something about a wait for systems to be ready12:18
smooph1where do i look?12:18
nidOsigh, this has been bugging me for ages - if two contacts have the same phone number, is there any way to get the device to actually show one of those contacts when the phone rings from them, rather than just the number itself?12:19
chem|stsmooph1: there is something hogging your device whe you return from standby?12:19
timeless_mbpsorry :(12:19
timeless_mbpnidO: make 3 contacts12:19
timeless_mbpgive the number to sharedPeople12:19
timeless_mbpe.g. mom, dad, mod+dad12:20
nidOdoesnt work though, the only reason the number is in 2 contacts is because its in the skype profile for one of them12:20
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timeless_mbpsame person?12:20
timeless_mbpmerge contacts12:20
nidOsituation is12:20
nidOI have a contact for my own home number12:20
nidOI also have a contact for my girlfriend, including her skype account12:20
chem|sttimeless_mbp: skype profile of one person has the number from by hand in another contact12:20
nidOher skype profile has all of her numbers, including our home number12:21
nidOso by extension, her contact also has our home number12:21
nidOwhich I cant remove without removing her skype info entirely12:21
timeless_mbpplease file a bug12:21
timeless_mbpexplain that you want to be able to mark a certain contact's instance of a certain number as 'preferred'12:22
chem|stnidO: do you call yourself? or is it the "your info" thing?12:22
timeless_mbpdo explain the usecase12:22
smooph1chem|st: sorry i don't understand what you are saying ... what should I do ? I don't know what hogging is and how I should find out?12:22
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chem|stsmooph1: look what is occupying your CPU at time of unlock12:22
Robot101DocScrutinizer: MWI - message waiting indicator? on sip I guess? or gsm? isn't supported afaik, but we have a spec for it and an implementation in tp-ring now I think.12:23
chem|stsmooph1: htop top or something equivalent12:23
chem|stsmooph1: top is pre installed, open up a terminal and enter "top"12:24
smooph1with unlock u mean slide open the keyboard right ?12:24
smooph1... than the top one is htop12:25
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chem|stsmooph1: now close keyboard use the lock switcch or anything to lock screen and keyboard (standby)12:25
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Venemohi guys12:25
chem|stsmooph1: and yes, then slide open the keyboard12:25
Venemo~seen Khertan12:25
nidOchem|st: I both call and receive calls from home occasionally yeah. timeless_mbp: the usecase is just preference on where I want contact info to display - it would clearly seem to be a bug though, because it's only on an incoming call and while the call's in progress that it shows the number instead of contact info12:25
infobotkhertan <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 12m 50s ago, saying: 'oups wrong windows'.12:25
chem|stsmooph1: top and htop are two different programs12:25
timeless_mbpnidO: the UI team picked the behavior12:26
nidOafter the call's taken place, the call log shows the call as having come from the contact who's first in the list alphabetically with that number12:26
chem|stnidO: that is since 1.0!?12:26
timeless_mbpnote that there are some other lame cases12:26
smooph1ok i used htop ... when opening the keyboard the 1st is htop 2nd is Xorg12:26
chem|stnidO: and I remember a bug about that since ever12:26
chem|stand the third?12:26
timeless_mbp+18005551212 +447890555121212:26
timeless_mbpin a case like that, it's possible that your phone won't actually be told the full phone number12:26
smooph1sometimes hildon12:27
chem|stsmooph1: is something else kicking in from time to time in the first 10 seconds12:27
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chem|stsmooph1: with 60%+cpu usage12:27
smooph1dbus-daemon ... nothing big12:27
smooph1let me try making a call ... maybe it has something to do with that ..12:28
chem|stsmooph1: thats jsut fine, if you get a call and it takes you longer than 4 seconds to pickup there is something wrong (if rotation is turned off)12:29
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smooph1chem|st: Ok there is definitly enough time to answer the phone ... if somebody lets it ring till its disconnected by the "the person you are calling is temporarly unavailable" speech12:33
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chem|stsmooph1: there is no spoon...12:33
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smooph1but still the rotation takes too long for my tast ... turning the phone from landscape to portrait there is a big delay before it rotates12:34
smooph1there is no spoon ?12:34
smooph1what does that mean?12:34
chem|stsmooph1: that's a movies's quote from matrix12:35
chem|stsmooph1: if you got enough time from ring to disconnect I don't know where the actual problem is12:35
RobbieThe1stThe first matrix movie was awesome, BTW. Phone wise - That's odd, when my n900 gets called, the phone app opens up in portrait mode no matter what, no "rotation" animation or anything12:37
smooph1maybe ... it's just the missed calls that made me aware of how I don't like the rotation delay ... can you point me to a how to change that?12:37
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nidORobbieThe1st: have you got the display orientation fixed to portrair rather than automatic?12:38
VenemoRobbieThe1st: perhaps you set it to portrait mode in its settings12:38
nidOalso, not sure if this was covered for smooph1, but why dont you just set orientation to portrait?12:38
nidOthatll stop any rotation animation12:38
RobbieThe1stHuh, no... I never messed with the settings at all, and typically use it in landscape mode. I tend to get quite upset when it goes portrait on me...12:39
Venemosmooph1: sorry, I'm late to the party, but what's your problem?12:39
timeless_mbpVenemo: "his phone is slow" :)12:40
RobbieThe1stActually, wait... I guess there is a rotation animation, but it takes half a second or so for me, so I didn't notice it12:40
Venemotimeless_mbp: oh, the usual12:40
infobothmm... flashing is
smooph1I don't like the delay when rotating the phone ... espacially with incoming calls so either set the phone app to portrait only or change the rotation setting so the delay is less12:40
Venemosmooph1: try that link12:40
timeless_mbpVenemo: bah12:41
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chem|stVenemo: O_o12:41
Venemosmooph1: if you prefer to, then set the phone app to portrait-only. it will be still landscape when the keyboard is open12:41
smooph1updating the firmware ... are you ?12:41
Venemosmooph1: or if you want rotation, then you could edit your transitions.ini12:41
Venemosmooph1: but if the "slowness" is caused by the garabage you installed, reflashing is the best soluion12:42
smooph1chem|st: very funny ... guess what I already did that12:42
RobbieThe1stI'm curious - Does anyone here know why people are complaining about it being slow? I mean, I just opened up three browser windows, fbreader and the media player, and then -while- it was all loading I started the phone app. It started instantly, and switched to portrait in half a second or so12:42
X-FadeRobbieThe1st: Do the same after your phone is running for 5 days.12:43
timeless_mbpRobbieThe1st: inbound calls12:43
timeless_mbpopening phone from the ui isn't interesting12:43
chem|stsmooph1: the ini is in /usr/share/themes/<your theme> and copy the original one before you alter it12:43
timeless_mbpthe inbound call ui is especaially painful12:43
RobbieThe1stOnly on inbound? Hm... that'll be hard to test12:43
infobottimeless_mbp meant: the inbound call ui is especially painful12:43
timeless_mbpRobbieThe1st: gimme your no12:43
fluxI suppose inbound skype calls should be easier to test without owning two phones12:44
RobbieThe1stThat's the problem - I ran out of active time. I've got to add time to my payg sim before I can do anything :\12:44
timeless_mbpeven receive calls?12:44
Venemowell then, keep the phone app open, then it will launch more quickly on inbound calls12:44
nidOoh, you from one of those dumb countries that charges you to receive? :\12:44
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RobbieThe1stYea, as well as putting x-month limits on how long you have to use it12:45
timeless_mbpwhich reminds me12:45
* timeless_mbp has a sim whose pin is unknown :(12:45
RobbieThe1stT-mobile's bad that way... But no worse than any of the -other- horrible companies here in the USA12:45
chem|stnidO: over here the sim will be deactivated after a while so you are forced to raise your account's balance12:45
* timeless_mbp should try to figure out how to recover it12:45
nidOtimeless_mbp: is it yours?12:45
timeless_mbpwell, i have some of both actually :)12:46
timeless_mbpbut i only care about the mine case :)12:46
nidOdoes the network?12:46
nidOtheyll give you the sim's puk if it's yours..12:46
timeless_mbpit's tied to me, so yeah i can do something12:46
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realitygapshey guys, set up a 3g connection using fapn for, but all i get is 'Internet Connection Failed, Try Again?'.. PR 1.3, any ideas?12:47
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chem|strealitygaps: what do you mean by setup? your provider connections are preset normaly12:48
chem|strealitygaps: does gprs/edge work?12:49
realitygapschem|st: they werent preset, but they have the connection details on their website, only thing needed is the access point name - which i set to internet.ben12:50
realitygapschem|st: how can i check if gprs/edge is working?12:50
nidOtry connecting to the ap but on 2g not 3g12:50
chem|stredeeman: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress12:51
chem|stnormaly you need to set a serveraddress12:51
chem|stredeeman: sry12:51
chem|strealitygaps: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress12:51
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smooph1I think I found my solution for now ... setting the phone app to portrait only ... we'll see if that helps me12:52
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smooph1thanks for the help12:52
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chem|stsmooph1: yw12:52
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realitygapschem|st: it said just to set up the APN as internet.ben ....12:52
realitygaps one sec ill find the details12:53
chem|strealitygaps: settings->phone->network mode12:53
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Venemosmooph1: you're welcome12:54
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realitygapschem|st: The connection details are here:
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khertan_Morning all !12:59
realitygapsdoesnt seem to do anything on 2G either :(13:00
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nidOobvious question, but are you actually on their network atm, or roaming?13:01
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realitygapsnid0: on their network, got a new sim a few days ago from them13:02
realitygapsbut all it says is to put   internet.ben as the access point name and everything else blank/defaults13:03
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timeless_mbpdpkg-deb: building package `foo' in `..deb'.13:04
* timeless_mbp puzzles13:04
jacekowskitimeless_mbp: it's selfsigned so i don't care anyways13:04
timeless_mbpjacekowski: i care because it's yet another stupid thing to deal w/ while trying to make jabber happy13:05
timeless_mbpi'd actually rather you *not* fix it13:05
timeless_mbpnot until i make my script handle it13:05
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* timeless_mbp wonders how to comment out lines in DEBIAN/control files13:06
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_trinecan someone point me to titans the new power kernel or something similar for PR 1.3   ?13:07
realitygapstimeless_mbp: think its just a #13:07
timeless_mbpwarning, `foo/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `#Depends'13:08
realitygapshmm, says it should work13:09
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lcukrealitygaps, no, it says that they have been supported since dpkg v 1.10.11 on debian..13:10
Venemohey lcuk o/ :)13:10
lcukwhat version is timeless using ?13:10
timeless_mbpDebian `dpkg' package management program version 1.14.29 (amd64).13:11
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timeless_mbptry it yourself? :)13:12
* timeless_mbp can't remember how to use DEBIAN13:12
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lcuktimeless_mbp, am on laptop only atm13:13
timeless_mbpit seems i don't have a working fakeroot13:13
timeless_mbpso i can't seem to make dpkg-buildpackage work13:13
timeless_mbpdoes DEBIAN require filename instead of PACKAGE.filename ?13:13
timeless_mbp(it probably does)13:13
realitygapslcuk: true, just assumed it was new enough13:14
lcuktimeless_mbp, hm13:15
lcukyou just noted you are using the amd64 version of dpkg?13:15
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lcukis that exposed in scratchbox?13:15
lcukor are you just working on your normal host13:15
timeless_mbpi'm working on someone else's normal host13:15
khertan_Someday, someone will say that i'm completely crazy to create my packaging tools :)13:16
khertan_a new one ... this time base on python distutils13:16
khertan_timeless, i ll say X-Depends13:17
khertan_as X is for eXtra ... user define13:17
Venemokhertan_: hi13:18
khertan_XS for include them in source13:18
Venemokhertan_: I just heard about your KhtEditor13:18
khertan_XB for include them in binary13:18
Venemokhertan_: is it able to compile/run a C/C++ application?13:18
khertan_XSBC ... i didn't remember c was :)13:18
khertan_Venemo, as an editor ... it s not able to compile anythings13:18
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Venemokhertan_: so it is not an IDE, juse a text editor?13:19
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madduckchem|st: it is the global release and I flashed it13:19
khertan_Venemo, it s more a powerfull text editor than an idea13:19
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khertan_Venemo, specially when most advanced feature are for python dev13:20
khertan_Venemo, i never said it was an idea13:20
khertan_and xterm is perfect to compile :)13:20
Venemokhertan_: I don't wanna be rude, but I don't really care about Python13:20
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Venemokhertan_: hm13:20
Venemokhertan_: so you recommend using xterm to call gcc and stuff?13:20
khertan_Venemo, don't wanna be rude but don't really care about c++ this is why there isn't any c compilation13:21
khertan_Venemo, i ll say yes13:21
Venemokhertan_: :)13:21
khertan_Venemo, but i can add configurable button for launching compilation by opening xterm and launching script if you need :)13:21
SpeedEvilI do wanna be rude, but am too tired to read backscroll.13:21
Venemokhertan_: that would be the best thing :)13:22
Venemokhertan_: however if it does highlight C++ code, then it is what I will be using anyway :)13:22
lcukkhertan_, huh?13:22
lcukyou dont care about c++ thats why theres no c compiling?13:22
lcukarent they different languages and intents?13:22
Venemolcuk, I think we get what he meant13:22
lcukc compoilation is entirely feasible on devices13:23
khertan_Venemo, it does, maybe not perfect ... as i didn't really use c++ hilighting there is maybe some glitches i ve just made quick test13:23
lcukc++ well, it depends on the which libs13:23
Venemolcuk, why would it depend on that?13:23
khertan_lcuk, of course doable on device ! but just not integrated into KhtEditor because i didn't have need for it and noone Yet ask it :)13:24
lcukVenemo, cos adding even simple things in c++ increases compilation time drastically13:24
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Venemolcuk, good point13:25
sivangtimeless_mbp: playing with .debs?13:26
timeless_mbpsivang: interesting demo of how totally messed up maemo is13:26
sivangtimeless_mbp: how are your slides going? I still have to work on mine13:26
timeless_mbpthis will go into a slide or 413:26
timeless_mbpbasically we have a directory /etc/osso-af-init/13:26
sivangtimeless_mbp: heh, ok, in what way?13:26
timeless_mbpwhich is a jumble13:27
sivangtimeless_mbp: ah, "not init scripts" dir13:27
timeless_mbpsome of the files are meatnt to be sourced13:27
infobottimeless_mbp meant: some of the files are meant to be sourced13:27
Venemoanyway, how do I install gcc, g++, qmake, and make onto the N900?13:27
timeless_mbpand some are meant to be <dunno>d13:27
timeless_mbpbut they aren't automatically sourced13:27
sivangtimeless_mbp: interesting I did not see a mere thing about this in the compliance spec13:27
timeless_mbpif you want to be sourced, you have to hand edit a file13:27
timeless_mbpthat's part one of well..13:28
sivangat least there's a spec, that's a start to have things compliant13:28
timeless_mbpit gets "better"13:28
timeless_mbpthere's a spec?13:28
sivangtimeless_mbp: yes, I did not bother looking at it until last night's TSG meeting13:28
sivangtimeless_mbp: in which I was told that minor lessons were learned from Maemo in designing it13:28
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timeless_mbphopefully that url is in your slides13:29
timeless_mbphit me a prelim url (by email)13:29
sivangtimeless_mbp: sure13:29
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sivangtimeless_mbp: , check time from 20:17:38. But actually it comes from LSB, so not there to address an issue per se.13:33
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sivangtimeless_mbp: "clean namespace"13:34
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sivangtimeless_mbp: same here, tl.13:36
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yaccDoes the n900 have cron or something like that?13:57
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X-Fadeachipa: qtm-declarative incoming it seems.14:00
alteregoX-Fade:from where? :)14:02
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achipaX-Fade: yay14:45
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andaxyacc: btw: update regarding our recent minimal theme discussion:ändäx/albums/slideshow/?album=5225982#14:47
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andax~ # dpkg -l | grep cron14:48
andax~ #14:48
infobotsomebody said # was pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe14:48
VenemoNecc: are you the same Necc who is on the Hungarian forum with the same name?14:48
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Neccwho wat where?14:49
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FauxFauxinfobot, it could also be a noughts-and-crosses board!14:49
infobotSo we want to be stupid, right, could also be a noughts-and-crosses board! ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop!14:49
VenemoNecc: nevermind then :)14:49
NeccVenemo: yes.14:49
FauxFauxBah, you're not supposed to respond to non-pings, bad bot.14:49
VenemoNecc: oh, really?14:49
Necctype: /whois [nickname] and get your surprise14:50
MSJhallo i have a problem i try to install mobilehotspot and then i restarted my nokia n900 now it wont do anything it does haning on some boting program called u-boot14:50
MSJanybody that cna help me14:50
VenemoMSJ: see14:51
MSJi can not flash it tried all night14:51
Venemonah, goodbye guys, I have to leave now14:51
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MSJi wont let me find the niokia14:51
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andaxFauxFaux: aahh, thats why the #-key on the phone is called tictactoe-key14:53
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tybollt~installing meego14:53
infobotmeego is probably an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices14:54
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MohammadAG51my school's retarded14:55
Neccnot just yours...14:56
mecetybollt, ?14:56
SpeedEvilThere is one good sort of school.14:56
SpeedEvilIt involves a teacher and a pupil, sitting on a log.14:56
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, router's username and password were admin/admin14:56
SpeedEvilIn the best schools of this type, the teacher can hit the student with the log too.14:57
MohammadAG51easily got into their main computer14:57
TermanaMohammadAG51, ha. That sounds like a school I went to14:57
MSJanybody help me :-) how to get my nokia back14:57
TermanaMohammadAG51, The principle had his password as the first letter of his first name and then abbreviated version of his last name14:58
Termana(and his username was his name)14:58
MohammadAG51Termana, my school has 3 wireless access points, one of them is WEP locked14:58
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nidOi'd be sorely tempted to crack the wep, login to the ap, and just switch it to wpa215:00
TermanaMohammadAG51, with my new found power I changed the District Supervisor from the Department of Education's password for the school system.15:00
pupnikanybody got a thinkpad with linux15:00
pupnikwith touchscreen15:00
MohammadAG51nidO, did the first part15:01
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* andax has linux-tp but no touchscreen15:01
MohammadAG51it was 10 numbers, it's on the class's board15:01
TermanaMohammadAG51, wait let me guess... 123456789015:03
MohammadAG51nah, a bit more random15:03
Termanapfft. They could have at least made it 1s and 0s rather than 2s. Make it spell something out15:04
MSJlisten to me.... i have tried to flash it but nothing works15:04
MSJu-boot still there15:05
MSJnothing to do15:05
MohammadAG51go to a shell and type boot?15:06
MSJmany people have the same problem15:06
tybolltmece: danke schön!15:06
MSJmuhammed >>> it just want start op there is no light on the screen but i can see the u boot screen :-)15:07
infobotmethinks retard is slow again, from latin 'tardis', time15:07
MSJi can not write anything on it15:07
MohammadAG51MSJ, just flash the kernel back to stock then15:07
MohammadAG51you can15:07
MohammadAG51just press any key when it shows up15:08
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MSJwhat does that mean muhhamed15:08
MSJis it possible to charge the battery when it like this??+15:09
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MSJwhen i put the usb cable to the com it stands in orange light15:09
MSJdoes it mean that it charhing15:10
andax. o O ( thats why i avoid flashing )15:10
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MSJandax i never flashed it ... it a program that just did my nokia go gaga15:11
MSJmuuch help in this maemo channel15:12
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MSJwhere are the brains in this channel+??15:15
chem|stMSJ: uboot is extras devel and not for joe15:15
chem|stMSJ: AND THE HELL STOP IT!15:15
nidOMSJ you got your answer, and it's in the thread you yourself linked to.15:15
chem|stMSJ: average Joe15:15
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MSJi dont got nothing... it dosent work... look here people have the same problem and non of the flashing things works for them either15:16
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chem|stMSJ: if you screw your device with extras-devel software void user() returns Joe15:17
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MSJokay I've exhausted all combinations:15:18
MSJCommand: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R15:18
MSJ(Windows 7, cmd with administrator previlege)15:18
MSJBattery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel"15:18
MSJBattery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel"15:18
MSJBattery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel"15:18
MSJBattery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel"15:18
MSJso uboot loads no matter how.15:18
chem|stMSJ: have you tried to boot without backcover?15:18
MSJas some hinted above perhaps it has to do with the battery and use PC usb to charge instead of the wall charger. hmm maybe. this is the last method I've seen so far. so let's see what happens when the battery is fully charged via PC USB (with no high hope though ... :-x )15:18
chem|stDocScrutinizer: would you mind?15:18
MSJchem >> is that have something to say15:19
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chem|st~tell MSJ about pastebin15:19
MSJthx for tje pastebin15:20
MSJi booting it with no backcover15:20
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chem|stMSJ: so without backcover it wont boot either?15:21
MSJi have a small idea that the battery is low but i dont know if it charge when i put it in the charger15:22
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Neccand also i guess you removed the memory card too15:22
infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover15:22
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MSJshould i remove it???15:23
DocScrutinizerchem|st: uBoot will boot maemo if no (mountable) uSD, right?15:23
Neccdo you has any idea how u-boot works or just "let it be installed for fun"?15:23
chem|stDocScrutinizer: yes15:23
chem|stDocScrutinizer: without backcover it should boot to maemo after timeout15:24
chem|stNecc: the second ;)15:24
nidODocScrutinizer: yes, but thats irrelevant in this case because hes replaced the stock kernel with power kernel15:24
DocScrutinizerand then *hopefully* start to charge, as MSJ is being told since 2 days to CHARGE BATTERY prior to flashing15:24
chem|stnidO: didn't get that part *scrolling*15:24
yacccurious, is there some documentation how the USB tethering works? the PC shows in his dmesg "device cannot dial" but a normal wvdial works to connect.15:25
MSJas i said i installed something called... mobilehotspot it said something about power kernal also so i installed that to... reboot then it was beeing wired about the u boot thing so i thouht it would boot to maemo but it just frezzres there15:25
nidOchem|st: the whole problem came about when he installed mobilehotspot15:25
nidOwhich also installs power kernel15:25
yaccDoes the n900 share the IP address with the host?15:25
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chem|stnidO: ty15:25
chem|stnidO: found it15:25
DocScrutinizernidO: so what?15:25
yaccDoes the N900 get a second IP address somehow from the provider?15:25
nidOMSJ, basically this major fuckup with your device has happened because you didnt read15:25
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Neccpoer kernel from the extras-devel i guess15:26
Necc*power-kernel-2.6.28-maemo40 as i remember numbers correctly15:26
nidODocScrutinizer: uboot and power-kernel arent compatible with each other15:26
chem|styacc: if you are talking about gsm/edge/umts 2g/3g then yes normal practice is to NAT through15:26
MSJi take the battery off put in after 1 minut put it in to wall charger then the orange led turns on but i can also see on the screen that u-boot running15:26
nidOas clearly spelt out in the uboot info, and reiterated by stskeeps here:15:26
DocScrutinizererr wut?15:26
MSJbut there it no light on the screen15:26
chem|stMSJ: that is normal afair, orange means charging15:27
DocScrutinizerMSJ: that's normal so far. low battery15:27
pupnikstskeeps is an hero15:28
MSJoky i charge it then15:28
MSJwhat do i do exacly after this15:28
chem|stMSJ: wait for green light15:28
nidOonce your device has power, follow this:15:28
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DocScrutinizerit won't really charge, it just will boot eventually, and then hopefully boot to maemo and start flashing yellow, which means real charging15:29
MSJboot to maemo??15:29
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DocScrutinizerif it doesn't flash yellow, and instead reboots, you're screwed and need to charge externally (assuming you got no proper charging meego on a uSD for alternative OS boot)15:30
DocScrutinizerMSJ: I hope your ???? key won't wear out :-/ my eyes do, though15:31
MSJoky thx all of you for the help for now..  i  am sorry if have been an ass.. but when my nokia goes down i go down tooo with it15:31
yaccchem|st, I'm talking explicitly about the USB tethering, which seems to be no NAT (or you could reach the n900 via IP, which you cannot), so yes what?15:31
DocScrutinizerMSJ: get an external charger, they are 5$ in an asian shop15:31
chem|styacc: which direction15:32
MSJi live in denmark no asian shope15:32
MSJbut it is yellow or i will call it orange15:32
yaccchem|st, when you plugin in PCSuite mode at least, the N900 plays a dumb USB UMTS modem too.15:32
MSJand i can see the u-boot on the screen with no light just black screen understand??15:33
yaccchem|st, /dev/ttyACM0 where you do the normal ppp dialin with the *99# number ;)15:33
DocScrutinizerwhat do you see exactly?15:33
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DocScrutinizerwhat's written or displayed on the screen?15:33
nidOMSJ: There are instructions given by Matan as to what you need to do in the thread you yourself linked, you still havent read them.15:33
MSJyou know that linux picture then it says something about u-boot bla bla power kernal stuff like that15:34
chem|styacc: nevermind, your pc does see a USB network device, afair the IP your host gets is another than the ip your n900 has inbound or outbound15:34
DocScrutinizerthen it already tried to boot and got stuck in uBoot. It won't recover. Get some way to charge your battery without N90015:35
MSJwitch page15:35
DocScrutinizeryou reached a deadend15:35
yaccchem|st, yeah, that too, but it also sees a serial device, and I'm curious how that serial device is implemented, ...15:35
nidODocScrutinizer: not true15:35
MSJdoc... noooooooooo15:35
DocScrutinizernidO: not helpful15:35
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nidOofc its helpful, he can get as far as uboot so he can get to its interactive console which means he can restore a working kernel using matan's script15:36
MSJso it dosent charge15:36
DocScrutinizernidO: uhuh, how he'll do that?15:36
nidODocScrutinizer: how would he not be able to do that?15:37
MSJnid0 .... have you seen what doc wrote15:37
DocScrutinizermeh, you just made it on my ignore list15:37
MSJi never install one program on my nokia again15:37
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chem|styacc: ehrm pardon? PC-Suite is not part of the maemo stack...15:37
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MSJi am so angry i could trow this phone away15:37
Neccbecause your own stupidness? how logical! :P :D15:38
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yaccchem|st, and I do not use PC-Suite, but the PC-Suite mode provides a serial device that emulates an UMTS modem, and I'm curious about that, ..15:38
yaccMSJ: send it to me :)15:38
chem|stMSJ: please proceed!15:38
chem|stMSJ: or do you want my postal address?15:38
MSJyou people are mean :-)15:38
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yaccMSJ: you do know that the power kernel and so on have huge warning stickers about "do you really want to do it and do you really know what you doing!!!" ?15:39
MSJcan i go to the phone company with this15:39
Neccor we're just happy if another person offers an N900 for free15:39
chem|stMSJ: I am known as BOFH15:39
chem|stMSJ: nope15:39
MSJwhy not15:39
lcukchem|st, who is your PFY?15:39
DocScrutinizernidO: ok, you're a PITA in the way you answer, but you're right15:39
yaccMSJ: they might notice the uboot screen?15:40
chem|stMSJ: your fault... it is written everywhere around and you did not read properly,15:40
MSJso i have to break it berfore i go down to them15:40
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MSJwith other nokia does this battery fit to15:40
yaccMSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway.15:40
DocScrutinizerMSJ: read THIS!
yacc5800 and so on.15:40
* realitygaps got the 3g working, had old connection settings on their website15:41
chem|stlcuk: I got no assistant yet but I was talking to the bosses about that already ;)15:41
lcukchem|st, then you are not a BOFH15:41
MSJwhat about the 3000 series15:41
lcukyou are yourself a PFY?15:41
lcuk:P even15:41
MSJdoc... the orange led light is still on15:42
DocScrutinizermhm, how interesting15:43
chem|stlcuk: not having an assistant doesn't let me become one o_O15:43
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DocScrutinizer~lart matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post15:44
* infobot drops a baby grand on matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post15:44
chem|stlcuk: I know since that story a real bofh is in need of a pfy... I at least got people to do my work so I can be in IRC...15:44
DocScrutinizertype type type15:45
DocScrutinizervery noobfriendly15:45
chem|strealitygaps: grats15:45
pupnik14:40 < yacc> MSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway.  <<< YES15:46
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pupnikI highly recoomend a universal li-ion charger  and spare batteries.  you can keep a small stock of charged batteries15:47
yaccSo any documentation on how the UMTS modem works on the N900?15:47
chem|stMSJ: I would try that matan workaround first15:47
yaccpupnik, universal li-on charger? Any examples that would work?15:47
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MSJdoc i think it do charge begause i just took of from the charger and turn it on then there are light on the phone screen15:48
DocScrutinizerMSJ: please just believe me, it doesn't *really* charge15:48
pupnik  this works for me15:49
yaccMSJ: not to kill your happiness, most "highend" devices do not charge without cooperation of the software on it.15:49
MSJoky but i can read waht it says on the u-boot screen now15:49
yaccpupnik, AT?15:49
DocScrutinizerMSJ: either you read, understand, and follow -- or you get an external charger15:49
MSJwho make this fucking15:49
pupnikyes they are an importer of chinese made stuff yacc15:49
pupnikso they ensure legal compliance in eu - rohs, warranty15:49
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yaccpupnik, price point?15:50
MSJyou dont know any command i can write on this doc??15:50
pupnikwell the device from china is about 7 euro, the government compliance adds another 15 euro in cost15:50
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DocScrutinizerMSJ: and I know for sure it still doesn't boot, it still doesn't flash, and it will be off with completely drained battery ... about right now15:50
MSJit says omap3rx-51>> here it is possible to write things15:50
pupnikhowever you as a customer do benefit from that compliance - only you could buy three devices for the price of one15:50
yacceeck, Graz :(15:51
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DocScrutinizerMSJ: R*E*A*D * * *  T*H*I*S*:
MSJoky thx...15:52
DocScrutinizer~debian MSJ15:52
* infobot tells MSJ to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!15:52
MSJi go to the store and make them charge it for me15:53
DocScrutinizer[2010-11-11 14:49:27] <DocScrutinizer> MSJ: either you read, understand, and follow -- or you get an external charger15:53
yaccMSJ: That's an idea ;)15:53
DocScrutinizerand now we're thru with your story, until you made some progress of *any* kind15:54
yaccpupnik, I'd prefer something that I can get out of the door and pickup myself, ...15:54
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MSJoky doc15:54
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yaccpupnik, and driving 2x200km for a charger makes not exactly sense :(15:55
pupnikyacc: Federal Express15:55
yacclol. these guys usually don't even ring here :(15:56
realitygapschem|st: yep im chuffed, thx for your help... the apn was called basic.internet.ben.data15:57
DocScrutinizerso driving 2 * 250km to pick up the fedex parcel? :-P15:57
yaccpupnik, what adapter are you using?15:58
yaccDocScrutinizer: No find that small dinky mobile shop that by mistake have a charger that I can use in stock ;)15:58
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pupnikthe one i linked yacc15:59
DocScrutinizerhmm, that's just me but when in a pinch I always find ways to charge my batteries ;-D There's paperclips, and cars, and maybe even an old nokia wallcharger16:00
yaccpupnik, that's a link to the charger, but then you need an adapter for Nokia, ...16:00
DocScrutinizeralso who says it has to be a LiIon cell that powers the contacts in that battery bay16:01
pupnikno, you place the battery in the charger yacc16:01
pupnikso you charge spare batteries while using your n90016:01
yaccDocScrutinizer: Trying to charge LithiumIon batteries when not knowing what you do is are real NOGO.16:01
pupnikor n800 770 etc,16:01
DocScrutinizeryacc: ABSOLUTELY16:01
yaccpupnik, I know, but the page says you get a charger and then you need an adapter for your battery, ...16:01
yaccpupnik, yeah, as I did with my G1, ...16:02
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DocScrutinizeryacc: I know what I know though :-D16:03
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pupnikyacc: i place all lithiums of all devices directly on the charger (with adapter) - the adapter is universal16:03
yaccOh, so there is an universal adapter included?16:04
DocScrutinizerso at least I'm well aware when I'm not knowing what I do, and can take appropriate safety measures16:04
pupnikthat's why i linked it - because it's a universal adapter16:04
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DocScrutinizeryacc: you know...16:05
infobotsomebody said batteryfaq was
yaccpupnik, <= notice the "Ladeschale"?16:05
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yaccDocScrutinizer: Well if you know how, everything is fine.16:05
DocScrutinizernothing about brute force charging in there, but we knew why we didn't elaborate on that16:06
pupnikthat is linkspamming to get hits for different battery types yacc16:06
pupnikit is the same product16:06
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yaccDocScrutinizer: Not sure if an old Nokia wall charger does have the needed electronics to charge a LiIon battery without a phone in between.16:07
pupniki think DocScrutinizer is talking about just giving batteries some juice with manual supervision16:07
DocScrutinizerit has a relatively high Z which means voltage will go down smoothly @ max I16:07
DocScrutinizerand for the rest see pupnik ^^^16:07
pupniki don't want to go on about this but a universal charger really helped me with all portable devices16:08
DocScrutinizersure you can overcharge if you charge too long16:08
pupniki now always have a fresh spare16:08
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DocScrutinizerbasically depending on type of battery (has protective circuit or not) the cell itself will cut out on ~4.3V which is still considered safe. If you got one without... happy new year!16:10
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: fried LiPolies ar fun!16:12
DocScrutinizeryep, MUUUUCH fun :-P16:12
chem|stDocScrutinizer: its like an egg in a microwave16:12
DocScrutinizeryoutube has zillions of videos about such fun16:12
chem|stjust faster....16:13
DocScrutinizerand hotter16:13
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shikahas anyone managed to sync the n900 over bluetooth ?16:16
chem|stshika: sync what?16:16
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shikacalendar, addressbook16:16
chem|stshika: with what16:17
shikaI managed to do this with syncml-ds-tool, but on usb16:17
shikabt always fail I don’t know why16:17
shikatried with syncevolution and syncml-ds-tool16:17
chem|stshika: please elaborate16:17
shikaI’m sure it is paired because I can send files on it16:17
chem|stshika: thunderbird?16:17
shikanope, evolution16:18
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shika(or text files)16:18
chem|stshika: linux? (don't know if there is evo for windows)16:18
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shikachem|st: yep, with linux16:20
shikaI get First ERROR encountered: ObexTransprotAgent: Underlying transport error16:20
shikawith syncevolution16:20
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shikaI’ve got syncevolution 1.116:21
chem|stshika: are you able to send files?16:21
chem|stif not your BT isn't setup properly16:21
shikathat’s why I’m pretty sure it is paired16:21
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shikathe bluetooth icon goes blue on the n900 systray16:22
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_trineMohammadAG, are you here ?16:26
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_trineMohammadAG, is it ok if I give that neopwn program to my friends as well16:28
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shikachem|st: here’s what I get with syncml-ds-tool :
shikaI see it attempts to connect to the n900, but it somehow fails :/16:36
jacekowskitimeless_mbp: i fixed my certs16:36
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jacekowskitimeless_mbp: with proper trusted signed certs16:37
zapWhat package contains the program to enable USB host mode? kernel-power already installed.16:37
kaiealterego, I was able to fix my meego/n900 startup ssh-keygen-stalls issue by mounting the sd card on PC, and copying keys to the right place. thanks for your idea. should we document this somewhere?16:38
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shikachem|st: here’s what sdptool finds about the phone
shikaI wonder why the connection gets rejected :/16:41
jacekowskizap: kernel-hostmode16:44
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shikaalso, version 1.0 and 1.2 gives the same result16:45
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shikaplease tell me if you need additional information about my setup :)16:49
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timeless_mbpjacekowski: arg16:54
timeless_mbpso you mean i have to test someone else's server?16:54
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jacekowskitimeless_mbp: i can change it back if you really want16:56
timeless_mbpif you could run it /somewhere/ on that server for me to play w/, that'd be appreciated :)16:56
timeless_mbpit doesn't have to be on 522216:56
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sivangtimeless_mbp: what server, what test?16:58
timeless_mbpmisconfigured jabber ssl16:58
jacekowskitimeless_mbp: port 533316:58
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jacekowskitimeless_mbp: proper cert on 5222 and broken one on 533316:58
jacekowskiso what is that script of yours supposed to do16:59
jacekowskijust tell user that cert is broken?16:59
jacekowskior what?16:59
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timeless_mbpit should install the cert, and eventually it will modify /etc/hosts17:00
jacekowskiInternal Server Error17:00
jacekowskii think your server is trying to execute it17:00
timeless_mbpyeah, don't try to run .pl files :)17:00
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jacekowskiso how do i download it17:00
timeless_mbpdownload and extract it using ar+tar17:00
timeless_mbp(or dpkg-deb)17:00
sivangtimeless_mbp: this is also part of the slides? :)17:01
sivang*is this17:01
* timeless_mbp needs to make the slides17:01
sivangtimeless_mbp: me too :/17:02
timeless_mbpthe slides parts are going to be pictures of /etc/osso-af-init/17:02
* sivang is stil busy with dayjob17:02
* timeless_mbp wonders how to make a picture of a directory17:02
sivangtimeless_mbp: use an nautilus icon?17:02
sivangtimeless_mbp: for directory17:02
sivangtimeless_mbp: I want to sit and meet on sunday *sometime* before Monday comes.17:03
sivangtimeless_mbp: about the talk ,etc17:03
* timeless_mbp nods17:03
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chem|stshika: I have no idea (and currently busy)17:05
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cmsamourhello guys,  uninstalled the power-kernel and mobilehotspot, and I rebooted17:08
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cmsamourMy phone keeps rebooting and showing the Nokia Logo screen17:09
cmsamourafter a while I see a message that says "Malfunctioning Device Shut down in 10s"17:10
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cmsamourAny ideas how can I fix this?17:10
chem|stcmsamour: have you tried to remove the battery?17:11
andaxdepends on the malfunction17:11
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chem|stcmsamour: have you tried to flash to stock kernel?17:12
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cmsamourchem|st: yes. I tried that, and the memory card17:12
DocScrutinizerfunny idea to uninstall a kernel - go figure17:12
cmsamourjust keeps rebooting17:12
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: yup ;)17:13
chem|stcmsamour: flashing the kernel too?17:13
infobothmm... flashing is
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cmsamourchem|st: will try that17:13
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chem|stDocScrutinizer: shouldn't infobot strip naked or something on ~flash?17:14
DocScrutinizershe did, you were too busy with kernel to realize17:15
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infobotHoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?17:17
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_trineafter infobot does the striptease it should do a bit of peeking and poking into a few common ports17:20
shikachem|st: no problem, thanks anyway :)17:20
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DocScrutinizer~flashything _trine17:23
* infobot sets the dial, puts on shades, and makes _trine forget the last hour17:23
timeless_mbpjacekowski: did you look at the script?17:24
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jacekowskinot really17:26
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DocScrutinizerI have to say I'm not really happy with the way uBoot is packed with a kernel to one monolithic blob17:33
DocScrutinizerprobably it'd be tough to get uBoot into any other partition than kernel, or rather it'd be hard to tell NOLO to chainload it from there17:34
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DocScrutinizerbut really, if uBoot came with a preinstall script to build that blob locally, from uBoot image plus whatver kernel is already in use, then flash that instead of a fixed kernel version riveted to uBoot...17:36
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DocScrutinizerof course patching NOLO to chainload from another partition/location probably would be even better - if somebody had the brains for that17:41
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DocScrutinizerjacekowski: could uBoot get duct-taped to end of NOLO and still fit on mtd partition?17:43
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: partitions can be moved17:45
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DocScrutinizerI thought as much. A tad invasive though, no?17:46
jacekowskihow big is u-boot?17:46
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DocScrutinizerhow big might it get to fit?17:47
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jacekowskii have to play with mods to nolo17:47
jacekowskiand see what happens17:47
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zapWhat is the difference between g_nokia.ko and g_ether.ko?17:47
jacekowskizap: 5 letters17:47
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DocScrutinizeryeah. I guess patching the absolute load addr for ""kernel"" on NAND isn't hard17:48
DocScrutinizerg_nokia doing ass rage?17:49
DocScrutinizerand PC-suite shit17:49
pupnik US army suicides exceed deaths from enemy fire17:52
DocScrutinizerzap: anyway where from you got g_ether?17:53
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: has to be a new secret weapon of "enemy" then. Evil! Nuke them!17:54
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: do you remember junior high school?17:55
pupnikThere were kids who were interested in learning about things, and reading.17:55
DocScrutinizernever was on a jnior high17:55
pupnikAnd there were kids who were interested in dominating others17:56
DocScrutinizerwe got no such thing here I guess17:56
pupnikThis is the culture i saw in USA17:56
lcukpupnik, bullying is a worldwide problem and not related to one type of school17:56
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DocScrutinizerlord of flies was the name of the movie17:57
pupniklcuk: i see society as a conflict between the nerdy creators of cool things, and the libido dominande bullys17:57
pupnikit is just an expansion of the social dynamic visible in 7th grade17:58
DocScrutinizerthat's archaic I guess17:58
pupniki saw the kids interested in learning get 'taxed' in the hallways17:58
DocScrutinizeras in "evolution inevitably created it like that"17:58
yacclcuk, it's a cultural problem, I've gone through school as a nerd herearound without any bad bulling incidents, ...17:59
pupniknothing organic about forced schooling17:59
pupnikthe greatest incidence of sexual abuse occurs in environments where people are forced to be together17:59
* timeless_mbp grumbles17:59
pupnikprisons, military, public schoools17:59
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yacclcuk, or let me put it like that. The highschool experience here is clearly not even near to the experiences shown by movies, books, and so on that talk about the US.17:59
timeless_mbpthe pki guy here showed me that -i and -a behave differently on his device17:59
timeless_mbpbut on my device, neither work :(17:59
lcukyacc, of course18:00
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yacclcuk: the other kids either ignored me, or "befriended" me to get homework help in math, ...18:09
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DocScrutinizer51hey Mr Birkett, how's about liqacceltest learning to reset the chip?18:10
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lcukMr Reisenweber, reset the chip?18:11
DocScrutinizer51yep, it's stuck here. Once again. AIUI it's the chip itself18:12
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MohammadAG51use flyn900, then throw the N900 10m into the air, it will reset18:12
DocScrutinizer51nope. Tried that, doesn't. Maybe I threw it 11m18:13
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lcukDocScrutinizer51, explain reset18:13
DocScrutinizer51good point18:14
MohammadAG51lcuk, recalibrating maybe18:14
DocScrutinizer51I guess there's some I2C reset cmd18:14
lcukpatches welcome then18:14
lcukyou already know more than me18:14
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DocScrutinizer51duh, was there a patch for that in 1.3?18:15
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DocScrutinizermeh, rmmod lis302dl didn't help18:19
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DocScrutinizereeeeek >> Registers marked as reserved must not be changed. The writing to those registers may cause permanent damages to the device.<<18:35
ShadowJKWhat's that from?18:36
DocScrutinizerso now you know why it's deprecated to play with i2cset without having a clue what you're doing18:36
DocScrutinizerlis302 ds18:36
SpeedEvilI guess that that's screwing cal18:37
DocScrutinizerand there's no obvious reset bit18:37
ShadowJKI'd guess excercising every possible codepath in the device would do the same18:38
ShadowJK(unless it blows up first)18:38
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SpeedEvilWell - you can set voltages high enough to fry stuff by playing with registers.18:40
andaxi2cset can permanently kill memory:
knightstalkerI love N900 for this <3,It allows you to kill it18:41
ShadowJKI'm guessing it's its own control regs and working ram mapped to same i2c as documented interface..18:41
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: yes. it's not THAT simple though18:42
SpeedEvilDestroy is strong.18:43
SpeedEvilThe memory is not destroyed.18:43
SpeedEvilIt may be made unusable.18:43
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andaxSpeedEvil: in the manual, "destroy" is written in capitals. I think it can seriously destroy18:46
SpeedEvilIt can't.18:46
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SpeedEvilIt can rewrite the I2C eeprom in order to make it not usable without rewriting which cannot be done in most PCs.18:46
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andaxwell, then it can destroy in some cases18:48
SpeedEvilIt is not destroyed if it can be repaired.18:49
andaxand in conclusion, when it cannot be repaired in most PCs, it has destroyed18:50
SpeedEvilNo, it's not.18:50
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javispedromorning gentleman18:50
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RST38hmoo javispedro18:53
RST38hhow are things?18:53
javispedroquite well18:54
javispedro"my little project" is going very well, I might have something cool to show soon18:54
andaxSpeedEvil: Where the heck do you see the relevant difference between "irrepairably unusable" and "destroyed"?18:54
javispedroanything new and evil?18:54
borco_i've just installed the nokia sdk and tryed to deploy my first app on a n90018:54
borco_all went almost ok, but qtcreator wasn't able to install the app18:55
borco_is this a known thing?18:55
SpeedEvilandax: because it's not irreparably.18:55
RST38hjavispedro: Well, small things18:55
SpeedEvilandax: I can hook it to a USB-I2C adaptor I have a couple of meters from me, and repair it.18:55
slonopotamusandax: ipods are irrepairably unusable, though they're not broken.18:55
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borco_i've logged into the device via ssh as user 'developer', installed the deb and then all worked fine. is this possible to get this automatically from qtcreator?18:56
RST38hjavispedro: Have not got time to work on my own projects (Maemo related or not) for what feels like eternity18:56
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andaxSpeedEvil: Okay, this was explicit enough, at last the penny dropped :)18:57
Funnyfacehmm, just reflashed to PR 1.3, but my junk is all still there, and the programs are not. is an rm -r /home/user/.*  all I need to get it back to out of the box state? ^^18:58
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javispedroRST38h: oh, coming to dublin though btw?18:59
RST38hjavispedro: nope18:59
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javispedroah :(19:00
slonopotamusFunnyface: /home/user/MyDocs i think. and never _ever_ run rm with .* on the end :)19:00
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RST38hjavispedro: no money, no vacation left, very low probability of any big announcements during the conference19:01
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RST38hjavispedro: would still like to chat with a few people from the community and Nokia, but see above19:01
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javispedroRST38h: agreed with the low probably point19:04
javispedroin fact at this point it has been pretty much stated19:04
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RST38hA picture that applies to so many RL situations... =)19:07
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SpeedEvil - soundtrack to above pic19:09
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SpeedEvil1 - soundtrack to above pic19:10
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pupnik  what do you think of my 'happy happy' song - written in 1997 or so19:11
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kerio this one's better19:16
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timsamoffAnyone moderators here? If so, could you add the 1800 UTC Maemo Meeting to the room topic? It doesn't seem to want to work for me. :-/19:20
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MohammadAGhey timsamoff19:21
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timsamoffGood morning (my time of course).19:22
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pupnikPhysical Modeling recreates real piano:
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alteregoThat is awesome.19:38
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pupnikdon't miss this one then alterego - detuned strings
pupnikthat blew me away19:42
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alteregoI bet that keyboard costs a bomb ..19:43
pupnik2300 euro right now19:43
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alteregoThat's a lot more reasonible than I thought :D19:43
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, ping19:43
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pupnikthe same modeling without the customization (boo) is 1300 euro19:43
alteregopupnik: so are you porting it to maemo? :P19:43
pupnikno but i have my own ideas for music-making workflow i'd like to realize someday19:44
pupnikon a portable19:44
pupnikit usually works best when someone else codes my ideas19:45
alteregoI'd like to work on a guitar swiss army knife app, digital tuner + personal amplifier + recorder19:45
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pupnikdoing that right now, actually19:45
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, would you still happen to have the info on window switching? the stuff with alt-tab19:45
alteregoDoing what?19:45
pupnikfun proggies19:45
MohammadAGyeah, use gconf-tool-2 :)19:45
psycho_oreosbleh I know that but I need the full command line..lol19:46
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MohammadAGgconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5 I think19:47
psycho_oreosthought I had bookmarked it19:47
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slonopotamusA typical piece of GObject class initialization code. The example shows a property file-size being added to some class.
RST38hslono:is this LISP?19:48
slonopotamusand they really think any sane person will use that?19:49
alteregoThat's C19:49
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yup it works, and that lead to this:
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alteregotbh, there's some unnecessary parens in there ..19:50
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slonopotamusalterego: only one, before g_param_spec19:51
alteregoslonopotamus: indeed, that is what I Was talking about :P19:51
MohammadAGsigh, any workaround for Error opening terminal: xterm19:51
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MohammadAGwhen installing scratchbox19:51
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alteregoCan't say I've had that error.19:52
slonopotamusalterego: and smth around 50LoC to just declare new type :)19:52
alteregoDo you have xterm installed?19:52
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alteregoslonopotamus: gobject is a pain, but there is a reason it is how it is.19:52
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slonopotamusalterego: there's no excuse for having so much boilerplate code that you have to write and read19:54
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alteregoThey do have generators ..19:54
alteregoAnd the boiler plate becomes pretty transparent when you get used to seeing it :P19:54
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slonopotamusgenerators - okay. writing all that by hand - no way19:55
alteregoWell, that's what generators are for.19:55
alteregoOr you can use a template, which is what I generally do.19:55
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alteregoI have templates, then just use search/replace to rename the class etc.19:56
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MohammadAGalterego, yes19:56
MohammadAGand TERM env variable is set to xterm19:56
MohammadAGthis wasn't present on 10.0419:56
alteregothis is why I always do manual install ..19:57
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alteregoAnyhow, dinner time, bbiab19:58
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MohammadAGalterego, even manual19:58
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javispedroslonopotamus: yes, GObject is madness.20:00
javispedroslonopotamus: I've defined around 6 to 7 GObjects in my entire life.20:00
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javispedroslonopotamus: takes an entire afternoon doing just one20:00
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javispedroso... my suggestion, NEVER, EVER, do it.20:00
javispedrouse Vala, or gob2, or SOMETHING.20:00
RST38hjavispedro: Was that done under the influence of a control substance of some kind?20:01
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javispedroRST38h: promises of a better future with OO20:01
* javispedro cfmradio has 4 gobjects iirc, and the next one I define I will do in blood.20:02
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RST38hjavispedro: eek20:04
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* javispedro thinks the only good stuff out of gobject would be signals... if it weren't for the even more ugly marshaller stuff.20:05
javispedrogobject should never be used directly20:05
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KaffeeJunky123is there already an application to organize ones quicklaunchers in groups?20:22
JaffaKaffeeJunky123: "quick launchers"?20:25
KaffeeJunky123Jaffa: aka shourtcuts20:26
JaffaKaffeeJunky123: There's Catorise20:26
KaffeeJunky123that's for the application menu only from my understanding20:26
KaffeeJunky123I'm asking if there's an application to help arranging the icons on your hildon desktop20:27
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javispedroaha, Microsoft patents a "Foot Based Interface"20:35
Shadikkafoot-in-mouth based interface20:35
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KaffeeJunky123javispedro: omg, why do they do such a thing?20:37
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KaffeeJunky123to stop the free software comunity from creating foot based interfaces?20:37
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ShadowJKoh no20:37
tank-manand those dance games used what? your arms?20:37
ShadowJKnow I can't go to work tonight20:37
ShadowJKmy car uses a foot based interface20:37
KaffeeJunky123ShadowJK: don't joke about this, it's for barrier free interfaces20:38
KaffeeJunky123ShadowJK: for people with no hands for example20:38
lcukcomputer, search please: maemo history archive: barcelona long weekend, set resulting scans of screen layouts for media editing application.  stored on wiki I believe20:38
lcukbut I can't find a link \@/20:39
KaffeeJunky123a patent on such technology in general means that ms can limit who may provide a foot interface20:39
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lcukjavispedro, have you any idea - a load of photos of the paper layouts drawn in one of hte sessions20:40
javispedro<computer> self-destruction started. access code alpha beta four six tango. 60 seconds until core explosion. have a nice day.20:40
lcukmaybe converted into pdf code :P20:40
KaffeeJunky123What part of hildon is managing the position of icons on the desktop, or however those widgets and shortcut buttons are called.20:40
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KaffeeJunky123are there apis to position those icons, or is it done by editing some configuration files?20:41
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javispedrolcuk: I do not think I have any of it saved on my HDD, so if it's gone from the web ... :(20:41
lcukKaffeeJunky123, configuration files20:41
lcukjavispedro, i dont think its gone20:42
lcuki just don't think it was advertised20:42
KaffeeJunky123lcuk: where can I find a doc on those config files?20:42
javispedrolcuk: videos are still on youtube, maybe you can get a hint of them in any of the videos?20:43
lcukKaffeeJunky123, err not sure right now20:44
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lcukjavispedro, its ok i am getting closer20:44
KaffeeJunky123lcuk: well, I'll just read all wikipages on ui stuff then xD20:45
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javispedrolcuk: ?20:46
lcukMohammadAG, you have been rooting around hildon desktop recently, have you noticed where the layouts are stored?20:46
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lcukjavispedro, theres a whole bunch of links20:46
lcuki looked over them when they were posted20:46
* lcuk will find it20:46
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javispedroI actually never saw that! :)20:47
MohammadAGhmm, layouts for what?20:47
lcuknow, to post in the meego-dev thread20:47
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lcukabout early bird..20:48
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javispedron900 has recharged itself20:53
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javispedroit was low battery beeping minutes ago20:54
MohammadAGjavispedro, hostmode kernel?20:54
javispedroand suddenly bme says 50%20:54
javispedrono, stock20:54
mgedminmagnetic fields!20:54
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KaffeeJunky123javispedro: free energy probably ;)20:54
javispedroI totally do not know what happened here.20:55
javispedroother that dud battery20:55
infobotjavispedro meant: other than dud battery20:55
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timeless_how do i run something as another user?21:01
timeless_... a *specific* command21:01
timeless_short of using suid user21:01
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timeless_Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/touch /tmp/xx' as user on Nokia-N900.21:02
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psycho_oreosyou'll need to use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers file and give user more credentials or maybe login as root via sudo -i and then try that21:03
* timeless_ settles on echo do_what_i_want | su - user21:04
psycho_oreoshmm may also need gainroot package or use rd mode or install openssh-common and try logging in as root21:05
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ShadowJKjavispedro, nah the meter is rather useless21:05
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javispedrotimeless_: su <user> -c "command"21:06
javispedroShadowJK: well, first time I see it go from 0% to 100%21:06
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timeless_javispedro: see Sorry above21:06
timeless_javispedro: oh, no21:07
javispedroyou have to be root21:07
timeless_sudo: illlegal option '-c'21:07
javispedroah, messybox :(21:07
timeless_Usage: su [OPTION]... [-] [username]21:07
timeless_so yeah, forget what you know about stuff21:07
timeless_anyway, install deb above21:07
javispedrotimeless_: what's that pkg btw? forces jabber certificate checking?21:07
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timeless_and try (as root) running perl /usr/sbin/jabber-cert-convert.pl21:08
timeless_it isn't done yet21:08
timeless_but yeah, basically21:08
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timeless_when it's done, it'll install the cert(s), set up /etc/hosts properly, and fix accounts so that they use the "proper" (broken) hostnames21:08
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javispedroI see what you did there.21:09
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jvesiluomayay, managed to compile gstmjpg, now to test it...21:10
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javispedro# su user -c "/usr/bin/cmcli -p"21:11
javispedro/usr/bin/cmcli: option requires an argument -- p21:11
javispedrotimeless_ ^^21:11
javispedro(note: bad argument is intentional)21:12
javispedroI do no want to mess with certs just yet21:12
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javispedrobut su user -c seems to work in messybox21:12
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javispedrodespite its own builtin help.21:12
timeless_of course!21:12
timeless_why didn't i divine that from it's help? oh ..21:12
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* javispedro didn't use to call busybox "messybox" until few months ago. by now I think it really deserves the name.21:15
javispedrogimme GNU!!21:15
timeless_bsd userland, please :)21:15
DocScrutinizerhehe, and I named it like that21:16
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: yes, I copied you =)21:16
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timeless_fwiw, i'm starting to agree21:17
pupnikgetting old is needing to increase your terminal from 7 to 8 point font21:17
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DocScrutinizernot on N900?21:18
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DocScrutinizerI need at very least 10PT21:18
GAN900Wee, the netbook fits in my camera bag.21:19
GAN900That simplifies things.21:19
WakiMikoim trying to install wifieye but i get: unmet dependencies: depends python2.5-qt4-core but it is not going to be installed21:19
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tekojoGAN900: travel packing?21:19
WakiMikowhy isnt it installing the dependencies?21:19
GAN900tekojo, indeed.21:19
ShapeshifterWakiMiko: probably, 2.5-qt4-core isn't in the repo anymore21:20
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tekojoGAN900: necessities (money, passport, phone), toiletries and clothes, that's all you need21:21
Shapeshifterit is21:21
ShapeshifterWakiMiko: what happens if you install it manually?21:21
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WakiMikoi just did an apt-get update and now it works21:21
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javispedro#if 0 /* Please understand this before removing guard. */21:21
GAN900tekojo, well, bringing the camera and the Mini 9, too.21:21
timeless_GAN900: don't forget shaver21:22
* timeless_ forgot that last week21:22
GAN900timeless_, indeed not.21:22
tekojotimeless_: I consider that a toiletry21:22
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timeless_tekojo: it's in a different spot in my apt, but in my case i forgot both :(21:22
timeless_(initially i forgot my passport even though I explicitly noted to myself that i needed it)21:23
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timeless_in my case, s/phone/phones/ :)21:23
tekojotimeless_: ouch, so you went shopping?21:23
timeless_tekojo: nah, i grew a bad beard for a week and the hotel gave me a toothbrush w/ toothpaste21:23
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WakiMikocrashes when i start it though: runtimeerror: the sip module implements API v8.0 but the PyQt4.Qtcore module requires API 7.121:23
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GAN900I'm probably going to end up forgetting my jacket.21:23
tekojotimeless_: you with a beard, that would be a sight21:24
timeless_the monday before last was a holiday in France, so shopping wasn't very practical21:24
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timeless_tekojo: google for me, there are shots online fairly high iirc21:24
GAN900Weather's back up to fall standard.21:24
timeless_on the trip before last, i left one of my phones @home :(21:24
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timeless_people might consider taking a bike helmet w/ them21:24
timeless_i took one to Lyon and it was helpful21:24
timeless_Dublin is bike friendly too (traffic sucks)21:25
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tekojotimeless_: compared to Helsinki Dublin is bike heaven21:25
GAN900Renting a bike?21:26
tekojonot as good as Amsterdam, but anyway21:26
tekojoGAN900: not this time, but visited there a couple of times21:26
timeless_GAN900: Lyon was a 150EUR deposit21:26
timeless_pick up at any site, drop off at any site21:26
timeless_first 30mins free21:26
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timeless_for 7 days21:26
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mgedminwhat's happening with maemo fbreader?21:27
GAN900Dunno that I'll be doing any non-group tourism.21:27
mgedminthere are frequent releases to extras-devel (I presume), where can I see changelogs?21:27
GAN900mgedmin, new maintainer not shipping RST38h's patches?21:27
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mgedmin has FBReader 0.12.10 is released (April 2, 2010) as the latest new entry21:28
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mgedminso this new development and maemo5ication is unofficial work then?21:28
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mgedminI'd like to register a complaint about segfaults on exit then21:28
jacekowskimgedmin: in changelog21:29
jacekowskimgedmin: you're just being fussy21:29
mgedminI'm trying to be curious21:29
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mgedminsuppose I find
mgedminhow can I find the _source_ package for that version?21:32
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marmoute_mgedmin: upstream ?21:32
mgedminbzzt wrong21:32
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* Noobmonk3y squeals21:34
javispedromgedmin: you shoul'd be able to from there21:34
javispedrofunnly enough, link is not there.21:35
mgedmin has nothing with version number 0.12.1021:35
mgedmindid someone upload a binary-only package?21:36
mgedminam I looking in the wrong place?21:36
javispedromgedmin: it was uploaded by this guy21:36
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javispedroso, grab your pitchfork.21:36
javispedroand pay him a visit.21:36
RST38hthis plus N900...21:36
MohammadAGapt-get source fbreader=0.12.10?21:37
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javispedromgedmin: also,
MohammadAGhmm, nvm21:37
mgedminI _am_ looking in the wrong place21:37
mgedminthanks, javispedro21:37
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mgedminnow to download 2.3 MB of tarball just to see a frigging changelog21:38
javispedroseemingly autobuilder misbehaved by building it21:38
* javispedro partially thanks god that uploading stuff to AB is hard21:39
javispedrosometimes you see newcomers uploading plain shit21:39
RST38hmgedmin: how about using fapman? It shows changelogs, no?21:39
javispedrothat fortunately fails to build...21:39
javispedrootherwise we'd have x86 binary packages on armel repos already21:40
timeless_mbpjavispedro: so, seem ok?21:41
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javispedrotimeless_mbp: the package? a bit on the hackish side :)21:41
javispedrobut should work.21:41
timeless_mbpjavispedro: the next part is more painful21:42
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timeless_mbpi need to figure out how to talk to telepathy21:42
timeless_mbpbecause i need to change its settings21:42
timeless_mbpand ... if you have more than one jabber account, i need to use socat21:42
javispedroyes, hackish.21:43
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javispedroI wonder if telepathy doesn't have some sort of warning signal, as afaiu, the telepathy core "does" SSL cert (i do not know if maemo has that disabled due to certman?)21:44
javispedro*cert verification.21:44
DocScrutinizermgedmin: the joy of git haters21:44
KMFDMi wish someone would fix the pidgin-otr package21:44
javispedromgedmin: btw, what was on the changelog? :D21:44
mgedminwhat do I have to do with git haters?21:44
KMFDMi think im just gonna have to give up waiting on the maintainer to do it and fix it myself when i have some free time21:45
javispedro" - New upstream release" ?21:45
DocScrutinizergarage in this case I guess21:45
Robot101timeless_mbp: socat? eh?21:45
timeless_mbpnetcat? whatever?21:45
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Robot101timeless_mbp: what are you trying to do?21:45
timeless_mbpRobot101: whichever21:45
timeless_mbpi need to tunnel stuff21:45
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timeless_mbpsomeone gave me instructions last night (?)21:45
timeless_mbpi'm busy21:45
Robot101is there a problem with SSL in Telepathy itself?21:46
javispedromgedmin: theoretically it does mention RST38h and qwerty1221:46
javispedromgedmin: so I wonder when things went SNAFU?21:46
mgedmindid things go SNAFU?21:46
javispedroah wel..21:46
mgedminother than the segfault on exit, I'm mostly happy with the new version21:47
mgedminexcept now I can't find a way to get "About FBReader"21:47
mgedminand I can't find a way to figure out the filename of the current book from vimscript21:47
mgedminstate.xml no longer has it :(21:47
javispedroRobot101: UI doesn't warn of invalid SSL cert21:47
mgedminI'm afraid the info is in state.db21:47
RST38hvimscript. eek.21:47
mgedminthe table structure in state.db and books.db scares me21:47
Robot101eh, it surely does - we have an error code for it21:47
* mgedmin had a nice macro to edit the current book21:48
Robot101there were lots of people running around screaming about it for the N80021:48
Robot101we added the SSL errors to connection failure cases21:48
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javispedroRobot101: sorry, real explanation is
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Robot101is the URL to the script missing?21:53
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Noobmonk3ymeh back in here21:54
Noobmonk3yanyway, qt packaging for maemo.........21:54
Noobmonk3yis this the easiest way?
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prontowait, updating the device removed all my applications?21:58
Noobmonk3yyup, and then you just restore the backup you created before updating :)21:59
javispedrowith flasher or nokia software upgrade? it not only removed all your applications, but also some or all of your data, depending on whether you reflashed the emmc or not.21:59
Noobmonk3yit then dloads all your apps @_21:59
prontoi did a back up, restored it, and it didnt give me my applcations back :/22:00
prontoi used that ovi suiete thing22:00
* Noobmonk3y looks at qt packaging guides.... and thinks, why the buggery is this so hard?!?!?!22:00
RST38hNoobmonkey:Because to make it simpler you should avoid using qmake22:00
RST38hAnd use makefiles directly22:01
javispedrois that wiki page suggesting commenting out the call to dh_strip?22:01
* javispedro hopes theres a sane reason for that...22:01
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jacekowskitimeless_xchat: have you thought about setting your own jabber server?22:01
jacekowskitimeless_xchat: to test this stuff22:02
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Noobmonk3y"The current Qt Creator version does not generate an application icon or application desktop file for a Qt for Maemo application by default, you have to define them manually. The complete build support is expected for the upcoming Qt Creator v2.1 that will be used in the Nokia Qt SDK in the near future. "22:02
RST38hjavispedro: "Some qt library code needs the symbolic information for some esotheric reason"?22:02
javispedroRST38h: that would INsane reason.22:02
lcukNoobmonk3y, look at existing qt application22:02
lcukthere are many and you should be able to just open one22:02
lcukreplace bits22:02
Noobmonk3y this looks easier22:02
Noobmonk3ybut probably doesnt mean packaging22:03
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* Noobmonk3y thinks a nice vb app to package would be nice, or atleast collate it all ;)22:03
javispedrovb! an awk script!22:04
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Noobmonk3yanything to simply the "no-need" linux toughness.......22:06
Noobmonk3yi agree making it hard meanss the geeks are happy, but meh22:06
RST38hit is not hard22:06
javispedroNoobmonk3y: it is mostly boilerplate. not hard, but tedious.22:06
* Noobmonk3y reminisces of the same aqnnoyancy at pyqt packaging22:06
RST38hYou have to learn it, then it becomes easy22:06
Noobmonk3yjavispedro: meh good point22:06
Noobmonk3yand i'm simple, so file structures explained etc....22:07
Noobmonk3ymost of the guides are never ending lists, hard to confirm you have done it right22:07
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javispedrobtw, I can still get to the council parts of the site, I still have the council cloak..22:10
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* javispedro deduces being a council member must be a hereditary position22:11
sivangtimeless: here?22:11
mgedminall hail the Benevolent Council Member For Life22:12
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yacc./j #clq22:14
lcukyacc, leaning perl?22:15
lcuklearning even ffs22:15
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yacclol, no never type a command into a window before checking that some chars are not already entered, ...22:16
lcukgood advice.22:16
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timeless_mbpjacekowski: no time22:17
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timeless_mbpand it's really a sideshow22:17
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sivangtimeless_mbp: got my pms?22:18
sivangpms does not sound right22:18
sivangjacekowski: yeah :)22:18
mgedminsivang, your secret is safe with us22:18
timeless_mbpsivang: you have a gmail account, right?22:18
timeless_mbpi'll share the thing through to you22:18
sivangmgedmin: hehe22:18
ioanhi. after last enhanced linux kernel update, the camera gets "operation failed", anyone knows why or what's the fix?22:19
cmsamourioan same here22:20
cmsamourI did the dumbest thing, I uninstalled the power kernel and bricked the phone22:21
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nox-cmsamour, bc of meego/uboot dualboot?22:21
ioanis there a way to install the power kernel that works (old version)? I have a premonition that today when the camera doesn't work I'll see a UFO.22:22
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cmsamourI will try to flash the firmware in a sec22:24
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ioanok, I reverted to the original kernel and now the camera works. does anyone know how to install the latest good power kernel?22:38
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trumeecould telepathy in meego be used in maemo? I am hoping meego will get sip MWI support.22:39
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Robot101interestingly... voxcorp didn't release their source22:40
* Robot101 will mail them22:40
trumeeRobot101: well i installed vox app, but it doesnt show MWI from my * server22:40
trumeeRobot101: i think they use freeswitch at vox corp22:40
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trumeeRobot101: was there any plan of them releasing the source?22:41
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cmsamourI flashed the phone and everythin seems to be fine22:49
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ioanok, on this page, which column is month and which is day??22:49
cmsamourioan: good luck with the camera problem22:50
cmsamourI just reflashed the phone22:50
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DocScrutinizerRobot101: what makes you sure they are obliged to release their source?22:51
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SpeedEvil  - on risks of localisation22:52
trumeeDocScrutinizer: nicely worded about mounting on tmo.22:53
DocScrutinizerdepending on particular implementation, the MWI bit could be completely unrelated to any GPL'd code, and just coexist with telepathy22:53
Noobmonk3ymeh meh22:54
trumeeDocScrutinizer: i was a bit disappointed that vox-mobile is not picking up the MWI message from *. Will check with the dev.22:54
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trumeeDocScrutinizer: is that a SIP Notify message, ?22:56
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timeless_mbpanyone here have a 770 handy?22:58
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DocScrutinizertrumee: hmm, looks like a 400 error response to a INFO mwi23:00
trumeeDocScrutinizer: right23:01
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GAN900timeless_mbp, why would anybody need that?23:03
timeless_mbpwell, i'm trying to get pictures for a bug report23:03
timeless_mbpnot a bug report23:03
timeless_mbpfor slides23:03
timeless_mbpbased on a bug report23:03
GAN900Hmm, got one running OS2008.23:05
Arkenoitimeless, i do23:06
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timeless_mbpArkenoi: cool23:06
timeless_mbpone sec23:06
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timeless_mbpArkenoi: ...23:11
timeless_mbp1. tap people23:11
timeless_mbp2. View Contacts23:11
timeless_mbp3. application menu > tools > export23:11
timeless_mbpi need a picture of the dialog you get at this point23:11
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Arkenoiis it ok it runs os2007?23:12
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Arkenoi(and how do i take screenshot in os2007, i never did?)23:14
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timeless_mbpit needs to run 2006 :(23:16
timeless_mbpthe bug was fixed by 200723:16
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timeless_mbpanyone from nokia around? i need help :(23:18
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jacekowskiwhat have you broken?23:21
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timeless_mbpi've lost a database23:22
timeless_mbpeveryone hated it23:22
timeless_mbpbut i need it :)23:22
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javispedrohelp! my tracker has gone crazy.23:27
KMFDMfound an otr workaround for anyone else having issues with that23:27
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javispedroit is trying to index my workstation via NFS =)23:27
javispedroI'm quite sure I put /mnt in exclusions...23:27
SpeedEviljavispedro: :)23:27
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* javispedro 's idea lightbulb light23:28
javispedrowhy I'm sure that despite /mnt being in exclusions list23:28
ioanhow can I specify the version of the kernel-power I want to install?23:29
javispedrosince tracker crawls new mount points by default23:29
javispedro/mnt/stuff gets crawled despite of /mnt being in exclusions23:29
javispedroI'd need to add /mnt/stuff to exclusion list23:29
javispedrocrazy, crazy.23:29
alteregoDoes the exclusion list not handle wildcards?23:30
DocScrutinizerhaha tracker23:30
javispedroalterego: no idea.23:30
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MohammadAGX-Fade, ping23:30
MohammadAGhmm, no23:31
alteregoWhat's the command that lets you setup a file as a device for mounting?23:31
* MohammadAG checks before making an idiot of himself23:31
MohammadAGalterego, hmm?23:31
javispedroalterego: losetup23:31
MohammadAGmount -o loop?23:31
alteregoKind of like loopback mount, but my image is a whole drive, not a single filesystem/partition23:32
MohammadAGoh, nevermind23:32
javispedroalterego: kpartx23:32
alteregojavispedro: thanks :)23:32
alteregokpartx that was it :D23:32
yaccDocScrutinizer, pupnik: Any idea which of the three contacts on the BL-5J pack are + and - poles?23:33
DocScrutinizerisn't it written plain text on the battery?Ü`23:33
* DocScrutinizer zips out a bl-5j23:34
DocScrutinizer(+) (-) O23:34
DocScrutinizerO == BSI23:34
DocScrutinizer+ == plus, obviously :-P23:35
DocScrutinizerneed more info?23:36
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MohammadAGthe poles are also marked on the top side :)23:37
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DocScrutinizernot here (if top side != front side)23:38
VladNistorjust so y'all know, flasher doesn't seem to work with Linux unknown-device 2.6.36-2-generic-pae #7-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 21 22:15:17 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux on Ubuntu, it has some sort of kernel error. works fin with 2.6.36-1-generic-pae though23:39
cehtehbtw how much mA can the device provide in hostmode? is there an limiter or fuse? ...23:39
* javispedro ponders23:40
javispedrowhy is shm support disabled in the n900's pulseaudio?23:40
DocScrutinizer>200 bq24150 throws error and stops boost mode23:40
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timeless_mbpok, i need people to help me w/ my presentation23:40
javispedromy computer has it enabled, the pre has it enabled...23:40
* javispedro goes enable it, what's the worst that could happen23:41
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DocScrutinizerdefcon 123:44
javispedroworld war 3?23:44
VladNistorsomeone said ww3 was supposed to start today or smth23:46
javispedroeither way, this shm pulseaudio stuff did nothing. i guess that's because the daemon and apps run as different user23:47
tobis87You just need to monitor these freq. . If there is much activity, something is happening and UVB-76 of course.23:47
timeless_mbphow do i find an old image?23:50
javispedroan old what?23:50
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yaccDocScrutinizer, right it's on the battery front side, sorry for the bother.23:53
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VladNistorI just flashed my device and it doesn't boot up. it shows the nokia logo, then the sceen light goes off, then it comes back on, I see the dots, but then I get like an error sound and it turns off... any suggestions23:59

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