IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-11-11

DocScrutinizer51	~botsnack	00:01
infobot	aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51	00:01
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blizzow	DocScrutinizer51: That's what I thought would work, but the n900 sip client default setup only asks for an address and password. Is the address supposed to be the voip proxy? Is my address supposed to be in some other format $phonenumber@proxy...?	00:04
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DocScrutinizer51	blizzow: my sipgate account works fine by $userid@sipgate.de	00:10
DocScrutinizer51	usually userid is the phonenumber. Not for sipgate though, there it's the account number	00:11
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sivang	DocScrutinizer51: I had a friend back then that created me a sipgate account for no cost	00:12
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sivang	those were the times...	00:12
blizzow	damn, I got it to login to my sip account, but now whenever I try and make a call, it just immediately disconnects.	00:13
DocScrutinizer51	sipgate as well as several other providers still offer free accounts	00:13
DocScrutinizer51	even with landline number for dial in	00:14
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blizzow	Ahhh, loose binding seems to have fixed it.	00:14
sivang	DocScrutinizer51: I had a dialout number for free, not sure how	00:15
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sivang	DocScrutinizer51: but only tol landlines inside EU	00:15
DocScrutinizer51	maybe he shared his flat rate account?	00:16
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sivang	DocScrutinizer51: I guess, yes, flat rates were mentioned , do they still have this?	00:20
sivang	DocScrutinizer51: I'll sub them myself these days	00:20
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mtnman	hello all	00:21
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andax	o/	00:22
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mtnman	iis there anyone here with whom i had been discussing my wifi issue earlier? i have solved it!	00:22
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DocScrutinizer	sivang: sure there's quite a number of flat rate plans available.	00:25
DocScrutinizer	few of them with multiple landline numbers though	00:26
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DocScrutinizer	sivang: http://www.sipgate.de/user/tariffs.php	00:27
yacc	DocScrutinizer: Well, it's hard (to prove that an account is used by multiple people) and easy (see, you use more than 2000 minutes a month, you abuser), ...	00:28
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yacc	DocScrutinizer: the moment somebody connects an Asterisk PBX instead of direct SIP client, ...	00:29
DocScrutinizer	sure	00:29
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DocScrutinizer	the problem are multiple inbound phone numbers	00:29
DocScrutinizer	otherwise, how to demux the inbound calls to a particular user?	00:30
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DocScrutinizer	sure you could configure * as an automated PBX and ask caller to dial number of extension	00:31
DocScrutinizer	kinda WTF though	00:31
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yacc	DocScrutinizer: well, you can have multiple accounts for incoming calls, and use another one for outgoing,...	00:32
DocScrutinizer	will not work out properly with standard CLIR	00:33
DocScrutinizer	or was that COLP	00:33
DocScrutinizer	CLIP?	00:33
DocScrutinizer	meh, signalling your number to callee	00:33
yacc	yeah, so what, you use supressed numbers dialing out.	00:34
DocScrutinizer	sipgate offered to override default number signalling with an arbitrary string in username. I think they cancelled this	00:34
yacc	it's the same way like big PBXes use GSM modules to route some outgoing calls directly into the right network.	00:34
DocScrutinizer	yuk	00:35
DocScrutinizer	you must talk bout USA	00:35
trumee	sipgate is expensive	00:35
* Arkenoi wonders why there is default IM account used for XMPP contact, but no default SIP accounts		00:35
trumee	localphone offers the best rates for me. (betamax is cheaper but not reliable)	00:36
DocScrutinizer	sipgate is pretty cheap for inbound	00:36
DocScrutinizer	incl voicebox	00:37
DocScrutinizer	to a decent geographical landline number	00:37
trumee	i have a couple of free inbound nubmbers	00:37
DocScrutinizer	guess what I pay for sipgate :-P	00:37
DocScrutinizer	pretty cheap == to be beter they need to pay me	00:38
DocScrutinizer	for each inbound	00:38
DocScrutinizer	which actually was what my GSM carrier did until recently	00:39
trumee	sipgate gives you money for your calls?	00:39
DocScrutinizer	not sipgate, and not O2 anymore	00:39
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trumee	coms.com use to handout free inbound numbers. not sure if they do it now.	00:40
DocScrutinizer	til ~2years ago O2 gave me 50ct for each hour inbound	00:40
trumee	Nice.	00:40
DocScrutinizer	trumee: sipgate does, always did, and probably will continue to do - free geaographical landline inbound, for every German resident	00:41
DocScrutinizer	(or Austria, UK)	00:41
trumee	orbtalk also used to give out free inbound numbers in UK	00:41
trumee	sipgate.co.uk, gives a free inbound number in UK?	00:42
DocScrutinizer	outbound is locked until you charge up your prepaid account	00:42
DocScrutinizer	except of tollfree numbers	00:42
DocScrutinizer	trumee: yep, afaik they do	00:43
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DocScrutinizer	for a long time you could get a UK number no matter who you are and where you live	00:43
trumee	i had voiptalk.com before i knew about free inbounds. so i am stuck with them.	00:43
trumee	sucks to give money to voiptalk.org since number cannot be ported.	00:44
DocScrutinizer	I think they changed this some years ago, due to legislation in UK changed	00:44
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, you mean i can port my number from voiptalk.org to sipgate and make it a free inbound?	00:45
DocScrutinizer	http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/index.php	00:45
DocScrutinizer	dunno about porting number	00:45
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, website doesnt mention free geographic number?	00:47
DocScrutinizer	meh, what else?	00:47
DocScrutinizer	https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/reg/uk/index.php	00:48
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DocScrutinizer	Please select your future telephone number from our pre-selection list:	00:48
trumee	cool	00:49
trumee	N900 is behaving better with my * server now.	00:49
DocScrutinizer	Important: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK	00:49
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DocScrutinizer	this changed quite some time ago	00:50
DocScrutinizer	:-/	00:50
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trumee	maybe orbtalk or coms give out free inbounds as they used to do before.	00:51
trumee	btw, does SIP on N900 support IM?	00:51
trumee	* server doesnt but maybe freeswitch supports it.	00:52
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/faq/index.php?do=displayArticle&article=13&id=225	00:53
trumee	cheers	00:54
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, did you try the vox app in repos. It supports MWI	00:56
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DocScrutinizer	o.O :-D	00:57
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DocScrutinizer	I'd prefer twinklephone, but as things are twinklephone never will go qt4	00:58
trumee	plus vox app lets you set your own server which is cool	00:58
trumee	++ for twinkle	00:58
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trumee	gentoo doesnt even carry it now since it depends on qt3	00:59
DocScrutinizer	lol, sure ++ for twinkle, I'm twinkle's godparent	00:59
pupnik	confused	00:59
trumee	yeah, i used to follow group on yahoo.	00:59
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DocScrutinizer	:-D	00:59
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trumee	hmm. vox app might be in ovi store	01:01
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DocScrutinizer	wtf is ovi?	01:01
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trumee	Ovi, The Nokia Account authentication system is currently down. Please try again later. We apologize for the inconvenience.	01:02
trumee	crap.	01:03
DocScrutinizer	\o/ 1k itt-thanks	01:03
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=VoX_Mobile_VoIP&fldAuto=1797&faq=37	01:06
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DocScrutinizer	hmmm	01:14
DocScrutinizer	looks darn like the standard client	01:14
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DocScrutinizer	Robot101: does telepathy as of standard maemo support MWI?	01:15
evilbulg1rian	hi, i cant seem to upgrade python2.5-minimal because pymaemo-optify cannot be installed but i see it as installed in dpkg -l	01:16
trumee	DocScrutinizer, standard client + MWI	01:16
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DocScrutinizer	does the dialer support it, or has somebody (vox mobile) hacked it up?	01:16
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trumee	DocScrutinizer, no telepathy doesnt support MWI. there is a bug number for that.	01:17
DocScrutinizer	meh, knew it	01:17
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trumee	what did you mean by dialer support?	01:17
DocScrutinizer	prolly they implemented a local proxy sitting between telepathy and the internet, to filter and handle the MWI INFO msgs	01:18
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trumee	yeah. could be.	01:18
DocScrutinizer	at least that's what I'd do	01:18
DocScrutinizer	I'd use zimmerman's ZRTP implemetation for a template	01:20
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DocScrutinizer	then throw out ~85% of the crypto and RTP related stuff, and add 7 sourcecode lines to deal with "INFO mwi" telegrams :-P	01:21
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* rzr 's n810 need to be reflashed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31645		01:40
jacekowski	~flashing	01:40
infobot	rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	01:40
andax	&salesfeature=false	01:41
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Aranel	I pushed XMP package to Extras 4 days ago and It's still not imported, why?	01:41
Aranel	Extras-Testing*	01:42
jacekowski	Aranel: name of package?	01:44
Aranel	jacekowski: XMP	01:44
Aranel	http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/	01:44
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jacekowski	http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/	01:44
jacekowski	i've heard that there was something wrong with promotion	01:45
jacekowski	poke X-Fade	01:45
Aranel	X-Fade:	01:45
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Aranel	ok then, gtg It's 2am here :) good night and thanks for help =)	01:46
Aranel	I'm going to track this issue tomorrow.	01:46
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timeless_xchat	anyone here use jabber?	01:48
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jacekowski	i do	01:48
* timeless_xchat is partway through a script		01:48
ieatlint	does gtalk count for you?	01:48
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jacekowski	i'm using real jabber	01:49
jacekowski	on my own ejabberd server	01:49
timeless_xchat	ieatlint: not today	01:49
timeless_xchat	jacekowski : cool	01:49
jacekowski	what do you need?	01:50
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timeless_xchat	run that perl script on your n900	01:51
timeless_xchat	not as root	01:51
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timeless_xchat	it should generate 3 files in /tmp	01:52
timeless_xchat	well, in theory it might generate more	01:52
timeless_xchat	but i expect three	01:52
timeless_xchat	the idea is that most jabbers suck	01:52
timeless_xchat	and run both insecure and ssl w/ broken certs	01:53
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timeless_xchat	the goal is to retrieve the cert, generate a hosts line, update presence to use secure w/ hosts line	01:54
jacekowski	yeah ok	01:54
timeless_xchat	and two other bits	01:54
jacekowski	so what is that script doing	01:54
timeless_xchat	some bits would go into a postinst	01:54
timeless_xchat	it finds your jabber host(s)	01:54
timeless_xchat	and tries to connect using ssl	01:54
timeless_xchat	oh, it doesn't currently handle the "no ssl server" case	01:55
jacekowski	ah	01:55
* timeless_xchat goes to add that		01:55
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jacekowski	it failed on mine	01:56
timeless_xchat	how?	01:57
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timeless_xchat	(failure is expected, but i need details)	01:57
jacekowski	zz: ring/tel/ring	01:57
jacekowski	zz: spirit/skype/jacekowski0	01:57
jacekowski	zz: gabble/jabber/jacekowski_40jacekowski_2eorg0	01:57
jacekowski	zz: sofiasip/sip/jacekowskikowski_40sip_2efreeconet_2epl0	01:57
jacekowski	that's what i have on terminal	01:58
jacekowski	Nokia-N900:~$ ls -la /tmp \| grep jabb	01:58
jacekowski	-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 20 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits	01:58
jacekowski	-rw-r--r-- 1 user users 0 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits.cer	01:58
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timeless_xchat	ok, so, either no ssl service	01:59
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jacekowski	nope	01:59
timeless_xchat	probably	01:59
jacekowski	i have ssl only server	01:59
timeless_xchat	hrm	01:59
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jacekowski	starttls only	01:59
jacekowski	with no legacy ssl	01:59
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timeless_xchat	what's in the non empty file?	01:59
jacekowski	CONNECTED(00000003)	02:00
jacekowski	i suppose it's lack of legacy ssl	02:01
timeless_xchat	please excuse my ignorance?	02:02
timeless_xchat	?	02:02
jacekowski	well, you can connect to port 5223 and connection is encrypted from moment you connect	02:02
jacekowski	that's legacy ssl	02:02
jacekowski	and there is option 2	02:02
jacekowski	connect on 5222 and request start of encryption	02:03
timeless_xchat	ok	02:03
timeless_xchat	so i need a different command to sclient	02:03
jacekowski	http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/xmppwg/2002-October/000192.html	02:03
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timeless_xchat	-starttls xmpp	02:04
timeless_xchat	?	02:04
jacekowski	not sure if anything except full jabber client has support for starttls	02:05
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jacekowski	in jabber	02:06
jacekowski	it's simpler with smtp for example	02:06
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jacekowski	jacekowski:~# nc jacekowski.org 25	02:06
jacekowski	220 jacekowski.org ESMTP Postfix	02:06
jacekowski	STARTTLS	02:06
jacekowski	220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS	02:06
jacekowski	and now encrypted connection starts	02:06
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jacekowski	with jabber you have to ask nicely if server has starttls support	02:07
jacekowski	and then request it	02:07
jacekowski	anyways	02:07
jacekowski	i'm going to sleep	02:07
jacekowski	good nigh	02:07
timeless_xchat	try adding what i wrote to the system line	02:07
timeless_xchat	quickly, please :)	02:07
timeless_xchat	oh well	02:09
timeless_xchat	anyone else have jabber?	02:09
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timeless_xchat	jacekowski : ok, your server is now handled by my script, thanks	02:25
timeless_xchat	sadly, it looks like handling multiple jabbers would almost certainly require 'nc'	02:26
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DocScrutinizer	lol	02:30
DocScrutinizer	socat FTW	02:30
timeless_xchat	?	02:30
* DocScrutinizer curses socat for being so versatile I can't even recal where to look in the manpage for the proper cmdline arguments		02:31
timeless_xchat	fwiw, i need "listen 127.0.1.2:5001" + "forward_to 123.45.67.89"	02:32
DocScrutinizer	when netcat is like notepad then socat is like a disk editor	02:33
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DocScrutinizer	probably a `alias nc socat $1:stdin $1:stdout' or sth like that would do	02:34
DocScrutinizer	timeless_xchat: then it seems socat is for you	02:35
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DocScrutinizer	Manual page socat(1) line 2649/2686 (END) o.O	02:36
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timeless_xchat	doc, i don't have time to deal w/ it	02:36
timeless_xchat	if i gave you params, could you make it work?	02:36
DocScrutinizer	lol, exactly what I'm thinking each single time	02:37
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timeless_xchat	if client disconnects, the port needs to survive	02:37
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timeless_xchat	and if host breaks, client connection needs to break	02:38
DocScrutinizer	man socat, /socat TCP:host2:4443 TUN:192.168.255.1/24,up	02:38
DocScrutinizer	there's a number of examples :-D	02:39
timeless_xchat	n900s don't have man :)	02:39
DocScrutinizer	socat -U TCP:target:9999,end-close TCP-L:8888,reuseaddr,fork	02:39
DocScrutinizer	it has, apt-get install n900-man-db	02:39
\|njsf\|	timeless_xchat mine has	02:39
DocScrutinizer	dunno if socat comes with manpages though	02:40
\|njsf\|	has DocScrutinizer said	02:40
\|njsf\|	no socat here	02:41
DocScrutinizer	timeless_xchat: took me only one week of whining and bitching, to make MohammadAG built mandb for me :-P	02:41
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alterego	Hah	02:42
DocScrutinizer	though the eleventy time I moaned about it before nobody listened	02:43
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kaiex	hi. n900 with pr1.3 - xterm - german keyboard - I want to enter pipe - how? - in the past I could use blue-arrow+sym-strg key, but that seems to broken, no key-select-popup-menu	02:44
DocScrutinizer	damn those socat cmdline examples look geeky	02:45
timeless_xchat	kaiex: try blue EUR	02:45
DocScrutinizer	err wut? blue-arrow+ctrl does not pop up vkbd?	02:46
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timeless_xchat	doc; not if you have e.g. hebrew keyboard installed	02:46
kaiex	no popup	02:46
DocScrutinizer	ouch	02:46
timeless_xchat	which repo(s) have socat?	02:46
DocScrutinizer	errrr	02:47
nox-	i had that once in fennec(?), vkbd would just non pop up...	02:47
DocScrutinizer	lemme check for you	02:47
kaiex	bluearrow + y/€ key does give me € not pipe	02:47
DocScrutinizer	meh	02:47
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# apt-cache search socat	02:47
DocScrutinizer	socat - multipurpose relay for bidirectional data transfer	02:47
DocScrutinizer	so it's either in extras, -devel, -testing, or tools :-P	02:48
timeless_xchat	kaiex : collapse hardware keyboard	02:48
timeless_xchat	trigger onscreen	02:48
timeless_xchat	doc: apt-cache policy/show?	02:48
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DocScrutinizer	Filename: pool/fremantle/free/s/socat/socat_1.6.0.1-maemo5_armel.deb	02:49
DocScrutinizer	if that's what you asked for	02:49
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kaiex	how trigger onscreen? weird, popup works in communi irc client, not in xterm	02:50
DocScrutinizer	Candidate: 1.6.0.1-maemo5	02:50
DocScrutinizer	Version table:	02:50
DocScrutinizer	1.6.0.1-maemo5 0	02:50
DocScrutinizer	500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages	02:50
DocScrutinizer	500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages	02:50
DocScrutinizer	I still feel like my catalog selection is a mess, or why T F are there two identical refs?	02:51
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MSJ	help plz	02:52
kaiex	also, collapse and trigger popup keyboard works in irc client, broken in xterm	02:52
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MSJ	anybody my nokia n900 having problem booting	02:53
DocScrutinizer	~ask	02:53
infobot	Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will.	02:53
ahynes1	I've just upgraded to power44 and can no longer boot successfully	02:53
timeless_xchat	kaiex : tap screen of x terminal?	02:54
kaiex	nothing happens	02:54
ahynes1	I suspect it is because of I was running power40/multiboot/nitdroid	02:54
MSJ	i installed hotspot on my nokia n900 now something called u-boot comes up and wouldt let it come into the maemo	02:54
kaiex	ok thanks for your help i conclude my device or settings are messed up	02:55
DocScrutinizer	ahynes1: yes, that's not really simple to update a kernel	02:55
DocScrutinizer	on multiboot/whatever bootmanager	02:55
ahynes1	MSJ hotspot depends on power-kernel power-kernel was just updated to use uboot	02:55
MSJ	oky how do i get my it m	02:56
MSJ	back to normal	02:56
ahynes1	the power-kernel upgrade appears to have presented problems to a bunch of people.	02:56
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MSJ	i can not reflash begause it dosent go to flash mode	02:56
ahynes1	Most likely you will have to reflash your device.	02:56
MSJ	its not possible i can not do anything	02:56
MSJ	it dosent connect my com and the nokia phone	02:56
MSJ	mand	02:56
DocScrutinizer	uBoot when finding a system on uSD boots that system unconditionally afaik	02:56
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ahynes1	You can probably get it to reflash... I'll give talk you through it in a sec	02:57
alterego	You can tell it to boot maemo	02:57
ahynes1	Doc - uBoot is interruptable.	02:57
MSJ	i can only write stuff on it when i try presssing u	02:57
MSJ	how	02:57
alterego	Has an interactive console	02:57
ahynes1	If you press a key during the first three seconds of the uboot sequence, it interrupts	02:57
ahynes1	MSJ You should try that... Boot, hit any key quickly....	02:58
ahynes1	Then, type run noloboot	02:58
ahynes1	That may get you back into your N900	02:58
ahynes1	If that fails, power off the N900 (remove battery if necessary to do it)	02:59
MSJ	image name kernal power still	02:59
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ahynes1	Start the flasher command on your host without the N900 on.	02:59
DocScrutinizer	or type run tictactoe and enjoy uBoot as an alternative OS to friggin bloated maemo (just kidding)	02:59
ahynes1	It should give you a 'waiting for USB type message)	02:59
MSJ	whait a sec	03:00
ahynes1	Then power on your N900...	03:00
DocScrutinizer	NO, just plug in unpowered N900	03:00
DocScrutinizer	it'll power up automatically	03:00
MSJ	i can not shut i dont with presset the power botton	03:01
ahynes1	MSJ Remove the battery.	03:01
MSJ	done	03:01
MSJ	what then	03:02
ahynes1	Then, with flasher running on your host and the cable connected, put the battery back in	03:02
ahynes1	It should reboot and flash	03:02
DocScrutinizer	insert battery, DO NOT power up, start flasher on PC, plug in N900	03:02
DocScrutinizer	or what ahynes1 said	03:02
MSJ	i can flash on windows 7 32 bit right	03:03
MSJ	===	03:03
DocScrutinizer	usually	03:03
DocScrutinizer	though linux is much less trouble	03:04
MSJ	i downlaoded the program flasher 3,5 to windows 7	03:04
MSJ	i dont have linux	03:04
DocScrutinizer	as windows tends to install drivers that occupy the USB port, when you connect N900 without flashing right away	03:04
DocScrutinizer	linux also does that sometimes, but there you can simply rmmod the drivers that are getting in the way	03:05
MSJ	the cmd window does nothing	03:06
MSJ	i have flashed it on windows 7 before and it worked	03:06
DocScrutinizer	sounds like a windows problem	03:06
MSJ	so what the probmen???	03:06
DocScrutinizer	sorry, I hardly know to spell windows	03:06
MSJ	it can not be for fun that nokia but the flasher towindows 7	03:06
ahynes1	MSJ: I moved to Linux because of those problems....	03:06
ahynes1	However, there is another thing you may want to try.	03:07
MSJ	oky	03:07
MSJ	goo	03:07
ahynes1	Are you running the flasher program in Admin mode?	03:07
DocScrutinizer	madatory	03:07
MSJ	whait	03:07
MSJ	i try again in admin mode	03:07
ahynes1	I remember working on a Windows Vista box that flasher would work fine in admin mode, but hang if not in admin mode	03:07
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DocScrutinizer	yes, mandatory	03:08
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MSJ	flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f	03:08
DocScrutinizer	I think it's boldly mentioned in flashing page of wiki	03:08
MSJ	http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/03/how-to-hard-reset-nokia-n900/	03:08
DocScrutinizer	~flash	03:09
infobot	somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	03:09
DocScrutinizer	also 2010.19-1 is PR1.2 - is that what you want to do?	03:09
MSJ	no sry	03:11
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MSJ	i can not	03:13
MSJ	i going to be crazy	03:13
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DocScrutinizer	make sure your battery is charged (I know, a difficult task when it's not booting properly) - as NOLO bootloader won't accept 'u' or flashing when battery is low	03:20
DocScrutinizer	make sure flasher on PC says "waiting... bla blub whatever nagedinag" and NOT "device occupied" or any other error msg	03:21
DocScrutinizer	then follow instruction as given above by ahynes1 - it must work. NOLO gets invoked before it even touches uBoot or anything else you might have messed up. So no way it could fail, except for your equipment (PC cable etc) or battery	03:22
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MSJ	i try again	03:27
DocScrutinizer	awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTlmziroGZY (game on TV by N900)	03:30
javispedro	that's the power of the sgx :)	03:30
DocScrutinizer	:-D	03:30
DocScrutinizer	the magic of javispedro	03:30
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javispedro	:D	03:32
DocScrutinizer	maemo community creating a quite ambivalent and heterogenous experience. One moment you think "what a bunch of smart geeks" and next minute you run for the pumpgun to shoot lemmings	03:33
DocScrutinizer	well I guess that's real life	03:33
javispedro	be careful not to fall down a bottomless pit while chasing lemmings =)	03:34
DocScrutinizer	hehe	03:34
pupnik	that was some great low-res pixel work	03:35
alterego	Heh, I'm laying in the darl, didn@t think my screen was dark enough: echo 5 to /sys/class/backlight/blah/brightness :)	03:39
kaiex	my meego boot attempt stalls at "gen ssh rsa server key"	03:39
SpeedEvil	alterego: IIRC 2 is the minimum - for me	03:39
javispedro	note that step might take a lot	03:39
SpeedEvil	alterego: I wish it went lower personally.	03:39
javispedro	kaiex: wait two-three minutes before conceding defeat	03:39
kaiex	more than 10 minutes and I gave up.	03:40
SpeedEvil	alterego: I want it to be usable without disturbing dark adaption.	03:40
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alterego	2 is good	03:40
MSJ	dosent work	03:40
MSJ	i am doomed	03:40
alterego	Now, can I lower the brightness of the keypad using the leds interface?	03:41
SpeedEvil	alterego: Annoyingly, it seems to be controlled inside the LCD - the PWM is not coming from the CPU, so making it go dimer is harder	03:41
alterego	Hrm :/	03:41
MSJ	no one knows how this u-boot works	03:41
MSJ	is there no commands i can use to reset myu nokia n90	03:42
MSJ	0	03:42
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alterego	MSJ what do you mean reset?	03:42
kaiex	msj have you read http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot	03:42
MSJ	just wanna have my phone back as it was	03:42
ahynes1	MSJ: Your best bet is reflashing the kernel, then use option 0 for a stock boot	03:42
kaiex	see end of page	03:42
alterego	MSJ: what is wrong with it now?	03:43
MSJ	nothing works man... it boots on something called u-boot and just stops	03:43
MSJ	no meamo starting	03:44
MSJ	nothing	03:44
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MSJ	lalix i dont want meego i want maemo	03:44
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ahynes1	MSJ: I think I've managed to recover my N900.	03:45
* alterego sighs		03:45
ahynes1	I'm testing a few things now, and will write notes about how to rix things shortly	03:45
MSJ	oky	03:45
MSJ	recover your nokia from ???	03:45
MSJ	u boot	03:45
MSJ	==	03:45
ahynes1	My situation: Had multiboot installed, had power kernel installed.	03:46
ahynes1	Did an update today which updated power kernel.	03:46
ahynes1	At this point my N900 stopped booting.	03:47
ahynes1	Reflashed kernel only....	03:47
ahynes1	rebooted using option 0 for stock reboot.	03:47
ahynes1	uninstalled multiboot, reinstalled multiboot.	03:47
ahynes1	(as well as the various multiboot kernel options)	03:47
ahynes1	Now, it appears to be working okay.	03:48
ahynes1	Just need to test a few more options.	03:48
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MSJ	óky	03:49
MSJ	but i have porblem just flashing the thing	03:49
MSJ	what system is your computer	03:49
alterego	for i in $(ls -d /sys/class/leds/:kb); do echo 5 > $i/led-current; done	03:50
ahynes1	That may simply be a windows 7 problem.	03:50
alterego	think I might make a 'night-mode' script :)	03:50
MSJ	oky what does it do	03:50
MSJ	===	03:50
MSJ	?==	03:50
ahynes1	MSJ: Are you running your flasher command from a command prompt with administrative rights?	03:50
MSJ	yes i right clik and run the cmd with admin mode	03:51
MSJ	something wired happends now it says	03:51
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MSJ	flsher-3.5 - F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f	03:52
MSJ	when i write this	03:52
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MSJ	SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002	03:53
MSJ	Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB	03:53
MSJ	Version 2.6.28-20103103+0m5	03:53
MSJ	Image 'rootfs', size 185856 kB	03:53
MSJ	Version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002	03:53
MSJ	FIASCO subimage data length mismatch	03:53
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MSJ	why is that	03:53
MSJ	on the cmd	03:53
nox-	i remember ppl here talking aber the linux flasher working better than the windows version	03:53
MSJ	menu	03:53
MSJ	yearh but now only have windows 7 on mine so could we just focus on that plz people...	03:54
ahynes1	Are you sure your image file is okay (Didn't get truncated in downloading, or anything like that?)	03:55
DocScrutinizer	alterego: keyboard leds are controlled in LP5523	03:55
ahynes1	Also, you might try doing a kernel only reflash...	03:55
DocScrutinizer	any yes, you can controll these	03:55
ahynes1	That is what worked for me	03:55
ahynes1	flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R	03:55
alterego	DocScrutinizer: I know, you can change their intensity with that one liner I just posted	03:56
DocScrutinizer	ooh	03:56
DocScrutinizer	was reading backscroll the natural direction top down	03:56
alterego	:)	03:56
MSJ	i download the global one now and try with that	03:57
MSJ	oky	03:57
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alterego	Just wrote a little "night-mode.sh" which makes the screen backlight the min 2 and the keypad 5, a lot nicer on the eyes :D	03:57
timeless_xchat	jacekowski : your certificate expired a month ago	03:58
* timeless_xchat kicks cmcli		03:58
timeless_xchat	no warning if certificate is expired	03:58
timeless_xchat	just no import	03:58
MSJ	i hate my self for instaling hotspot shit program	03:58
MSJ	why do people not warning people about these programs	03:58
alterego	MSJ: they do	03:59
alterego	There's a disclaimer on all installs :P	03:59
MSJ	so i am never there when it happends... i lever install a program that i dont know off.. from now on...	03:59
alterego	Not to mention, you're installing from extras-devel ..	03:59
MSJ	i thought i could always been flashed back to what it is	04:00
MSJ	bot like this	04:00
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MSJ	i can still charnge the battery or what	04:01
MSJ	when its on that boot thing	04:02
MSJ	???	04:02
alterego	Do we have a "complete" gpio mapping?	04:02
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lolcat	Any more fun things I need for my maemo device?	04:02
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DocScrutinizer	alterego: not at all	04:03
DocScrutinizer	afaik	04:03
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alterego	:/	04:04
DocScrutinizer	uBoot source might have a partial one	04:04
alterego	I guess we can get it all from the schematics	04:04
DocScrutinizer	hmm, yes	04:04
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alterego	I'm only asking for my MeeGo work ;)	04:05
chx	i wonder whether we could appeal to Nokia to releae more open source now that tehy abandoned the device. (I presume they did, wasnt PR1.3 the last?)	04:05
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DocScrutinizer	alterego: tbh I just don't know	04:05
alterego	blasphemy in here :D	04:05
DocScrutinizer	maybe there's a nice gpio.h somewhere in the maemo git	04:05
alterego	chx: there are still a few killer issues that need fixing, I really hope there's at least a pr1.3.1 ;)	04:06
sheepbat	I see we have a lolcat in here	04:06
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wmarone	o_O	04:08
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wmarone	why is my phone acting like all of my pictures are being taken rotated 90 degrees	04:08
* wmarone pokes it		04:08
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SpeedEvil	The accel can get wedged	04:09
SpeedEvil	requiring a reboot to fix it	04:09
wmarone	hmm, will try that	04:10
alterego	"wedged" what does that mean exactly :P	04:11
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SpeedEvil	One or more axes gets stuck at an extreme.	04:13
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alterego	Physically?	04:13
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SpeedEvil	probably not.	04:16
kaiex	meego boot attempt on n900 has now been stalling for 24 minutes... Still no change	04:16
* alterego wonders how long it'll take to decompress and dd the meego image to his microsd all on the N900		04:16
SpeedEvil	try generating some entropy	04:17
SpeedEvil	press buttons	04:17
kaiex	... Ssh1 rsa host keygwn	04:17
SpeedEvil	randomly for a bit	04:17
kaiex	Ok	04:17
alterego	Weird, I've never had that issue	04:17
alterego	I must be in a high entropy area	04:17
SpeedEvil	That is a clear bug.	04:18
SpeedEvil	If the touchscreen is actie	04:19
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alterego	Good evening MohammadAG51	04:20
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kaiex	dont know about touch screen. But pressed keys are shown on screen	04:21
alterego	Anyone going to be at the conference next week?	04:21
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kaiex	No effect yet	04:21
SpeedEvil	I mean - if the touchscreen is active - it can generate lots of entropy	04:21
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alterego	Yeah	04:22
SpeedEvil	I'd mount the image from some ther OS, and drop a ssh key on it	04:22
alterego	indeed	04:22
kaiex	Ok	04:22
alterego	Still, I've not had that issue when I've booted the image	04:22
alterego	851Mb still decompressing.	04:24
alterego	Anyone know how big the image is? :)	04:25
alterego	Can't be much more than a gig	04:25
kaiex	uboot prompt should allow more time to type. Shuts down n900 if i type slowly	04:25
kaiex	1.9x gig	04:26
alterego	kaiex: that's the N900s hardware watchdog	04:26
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alterego	It needs to be poll'd every 20 seconds or something or the device restarts, if you set a couple of flags in r&d mode on your n900 with the flasher you can disable the watchdog	04:27
kaiex	then maybe the command should be shorter. Run nl	04:27
alterego	fff	04:28
alterego	lrn2type :P	04:28
kaiex	Difficult in bed in the dark; keyboard is not lit	04:28
kaiex	:)	04:29
alterego	Heh	04:29
alterego	Ah yes, that is a problem :D	04:29
alterego	Now, how long will it take to write the image :D	04:35
alterego	anyway, bed time, night folks	04:37
pupnik	nite alterego	04:37
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kaiex	Nite	04:39
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Judibet	Hi all!	04:42
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pupnik	huhu	04:45
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nox-	you back on maemo now pupnik?	04:46
pupnik	no but i still like these arm cpus and linux	04:47
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pupnik	except they broke my thinkpad touchscreen with latest updates	04:47
pupnik	i could go back to an old sidux cd	04:47
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nox-	:(	04:48
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Termana	good morning	05:32
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Gorroth	hi	06:20
Gorroth	uploading my second revision of the ettercap package to extras-devel	06:20
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Gorroth	okay, package is in extras-devel now. this time it supports ncurses and also GTK	06:34
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Gorroth	and it has PCRE support in it. so, it has everything except passive DNS. can't figure out yet why -lresolv isn't working for that	06:34
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jpinx-eeepc	where can I change the behaviour of the screen-off timer - Apart from the gui which does not allow me a "no screen off" option.	07:41
jpinx-eeepc	on charge the screen stays on, but when fully charged and still plugged in because of the usb network the screen goes off according to the timer, making my vnc session a bit redundant :(	07:42
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johnx	what I would do is check gconf for the timeout	07:44
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johnx	you might be abe to set it to an arbitrary number	07:44
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jpinx-eeepc	johnx: gconf is where?	07:51
johnx	gconftool -R / \| more	07:51
johnx	the values are stored in multiple places	07:52
jpinx-eeepc	ok - thanks	07:52
jpinx-eeepc	fwiw - this has only become an issue since the recent os update....	07:53
johnx	ah, isn't there a setting to keep the screen on while charging?	07:56
jpinx-eeepc	johnx: yes - but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in	07:59
johnx	that has to be a mistake ...	08:00
johnx	(I mean on their part, not yours)	08:00
jpinx-eeepc	yes	08:01
jpinx-eeepc	I reckon it's a bug in the update	08:01
johnx	anyways, on the N8x0 there was no "screen on during charging" but there was a way to change the list of time-outs in the menu	08:02
johnx	24 hours is a pretty good choice, for example :)	08:02
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jpinx-eeepc	yea - I'd set it for something like 2 hours, as that is probably the maximum I will use vnc for	08:04
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jpinx-eeepc	johnx: that gconftool thingie is going to take me a week to read :(	08:11
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jpinx-eeepc	johnx: thank goodness I brought it up in a screen session ;)	08:16
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johnx	jpinx-eeepc, awesome. use the 'search' tool in screen to look for likely candidates: timeout, display, screen, dim, and that kind of thing	08:17
jpinx-eeepc	yep - just been doing that ;)	08:17
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slonopotamus	Maemo ULTimate BOOTloader - what's that?	08:26
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Appiah	sounds like a ultimate bootloader	08:31
Appiah	for maemo	08:31
slonopotamus	u-boot? one more shellscript like bootmenu?	08:32
lucent	or a famous deli sandwich	08:34
strcpy	Is the "smscon" application developer around ?	08:35
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* slonopotamus wonders what's the point posting flash videos that require flash10 on maemo planet that is likely to be read with maemo devices that do not have flash10		08:41
Appiah	to mess with people	08:42
Appiah	and have a good laugh?	08:42
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slonopotamus	another question is what was the reason to require flash10 at all.	08:43
Appiah	I belive thats default if you create a flash..	08:43
slonopotamus	default is upload to youtube/vimeo/whatever	08:43
slonopotamus	Appiah: that just makes me think that poster is kinda short-minded	08:44
slonopotamus	or doesn't use maemo devices actually :)	08:45
Appiah	then complain to the poster?	08:45
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slonopotamus	Appiah: will do on next post maybe :)	08:46
* slonopotamus tries to remember how to disable that braindamaged thing that triggers reboot on n8x0 on intensive swapping		08:47
johnx	slonopotamus, watchdog?	08:49
slonopotamus	johnx: afair, yep	08:50
kerio	wasn't flash 10 released for the n900 in some way?	08:50
Appiah	nope	08:50
Appiah	or do you mean flashtweak?	08:50
slonopotamus	kerio: "some way" - ?	08:50
kerio	slonopotamus: wink wink nudge nudge saynomore	08:50
lucent	slonopotamus: that's... special.	08:50
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slonopotamus_	kerio: maemo has 9,0,277,0	08:55
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SwedeMike	my N900 is running dnsmasqd, is this part of the normal install, or is this something that came with some other package?	08:59
johnx	normal install	09:00
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SwedeMike	hm, so my DNS64/NAT64 problems shouldn't be related to this? :P	09:00
johnx	well, it could be	09:00
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johnx	but a reflash probably won't fix it	09:01
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SwedeMike	because the t-mobile people are saying they have 100 N900 users on DNS64/NAT64 working fine	09:01
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johnx	I was like "NAT64 on t-mo?!" then, I remembered you're on t-mo in a different country :)	09:02
SwedeMike	they're running test customers in the US. I'm in sweden, and I work for Tele2, we have 2G/3G/4G too.	09:03
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DocScrutinizer	jpinx-eeepc: ( but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in ) this would mean this is either a new bug in 1.3, or it completely nonsensically occurs only when charging via host but not for wallwart charger	09:03
SwedeMike	so my test isn't really related to t-mobile apart from me exchanging experiences with them	09:03
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johnx	DocScrutinizer, jpinx-eeepc indicated it was new behavior with PR1.3, as far as he could tell	09:04
jpinx-eeepc	DocScrutinizer: the latter is most unlikely, and the behaviour most definitely only started after the update	09:04
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DocScrutinizer	johnx: so another side effect aka bug introduced by 161191 :-/	09:04
johnx	#161191	09:05
SwedeMike	hm, changing resolver to our DNS64-gateway doesn't seem to fix it, so it's not related to dnsmasqd	09:05
DocScrutinizer	johnx: NB#161191	09:05
johnx	infobot, you're lazy	09:05
johnx	aaah, well that's not helpful then	09:05
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DocScrutinizer	no, infobot is out of the gane	09:06
DocScrutinizer	game*	09:06
jpinx-eeepc	lazybot )	09:06
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johnx	infobot, sorry. we're all in this together it seems	09:06
DocScrutinizer	povbot is lost on NB#	09:06
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DocScrutinizer	johnx: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c;h=6cb7d13fdf067c95ff943ae0326598a9ef6f9d6f;hp=6adab83d7948b98b7d9fece2c921f94b8965a25a;hb=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4;hpb=a78d411c6518eb7dd038eef6668f78a7e6c14ec4	09:07
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SwedeMike	hm, so I've had my N900 since newyears, only repo I have enabled is extras-testing, and I haven't really mucked around that much with other weird packages (I've installed nmap, traceroute, tcpdump and a few others), updated normally via appmanager. I don't really have experience with re-flashing, how much work is it to get back to where I was if I re-flash it? is there an especially good guide for this?	09:08
DocScrutinizer	we (council, kernel hackers) already decided it has to die, err get reverted	09:08
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DocScrutinizer	though I can't yet make a story out of the timer thing and how it's related to this	09:09
SwedeMike	is http://www.maemofanatics.com/how-to-flash-your-nokia-n900/ still working?	09:09
johnx	SwedeMike, take a backup, reflash, apply the parts of the backup you want to keep, possibly redo settings in apps that don't hook into the backup system	09:09
johnx	reinstall apps	09:09
slonopotamus_	SwedeMike: you want doublereflash? why?	09:09
SwedeMike	slonopotamus_: I have weird problems with IPv6 that I have a hard time diagnosing, so I'm considering reflash	09:10
DocScrutinizer	~flash	09:10
infobot	i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	09:10
DocScrutinizer	do a backup first	09:10
DocScrutinizer	restore after flashing	09:10
DocScrutinizer	though odds are you restore your problems as well	09:10
SwedeMike	m, might be.	09:11
johnx	I tend to restore just my contacts and message log	09:11
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DocScrutinizer	on a second thought... as backup app only backups apps that came by HAM...	09:11
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johnx	DocScrutinizer, not necessarily true I think. I think apps make an entry to have their stuff backed up	09:11
DocScrutinizer	well, you're free to reflash as often as you like, and to restore partially	09:12
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johnx	exactly	09:12
* timeless_mbp grumbles		09:12
timeless_mbp	johnx: so...	09:12
johnx	timeless_mbp, dead hard drive	09:12
SwedeMike	oki, I have plenty of time this evening or tomorrow so I'm going to try that.	09:12
timeless_mbp	what's the "easiest" way to move the system's date to X; do something and restore date to Y	09:12
timeless_mbp	johnx: ignoring that for a bit	09:12
johnx	date -s && echo I'm in the future && date -s	09:13
johnx	I think it's -s	09:13
johnx	man date	09:13
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: that's been a question?	09:13
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timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: my mac is panic'ing under zfs	09:13
johnx	but why not just do it now and then touch the file with whatever date you want	09:13
timeless_mbp	johnx: because i'm talking to a stupid program	09:13
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timeless_mbp	which validates certificates against system time	09:14
DocScrutinizer	stop ntp, date -s, do whatever you want	09:14
timeless_mbp	not really sufficient	09:14
timeless_mbp	to do that, i need to also store ticks since system boot and then properly restore them	09:15
DocScrutinizer	??	09:15
DocScrutinizer	err sure?	09:15
johnx	eh?	09:15
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DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp found mushrooms	09:16
johnx	DocScrutinizer, let's watch to see if they're the kind that kill him or the kind that trip him out	09:16
timeless_mbp	date requires one to set minutes	09:16
timeless_mbp	(vaguely annoying)	09:16
johnx	-f for input format	09:16
johnx	I like seconds since the epoch myself	09:17
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timeless_mbp	ideally i could say "set the date to today - Xdays"	09:18
timeless_mbp	and "set the date to today + Xdays"	09:18
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: so do it, just do it	09:18
johnx	so write a script ...	09:18
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johnx	bash isn't hard. I promise	09:18
DocScrutinizer	date -s "friday next week teatime"	09:19
DocScrutinizer	^^^ valid for gnu date	09:19
johnx	PHP's date handling is close to that ...	09:19
johnx	I think os x uses bsd date	09:19
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timeless_mbp	osx does	09:19
timeless_mbp	thankfully i only have to talk to n900's busybox date	09:20
timeless_mbp	and maybe gnu date if someone is stupid enough to poison their n900	09:20
DocScrutinizer	messybox, pffft	09:20
* timeless_mbp tries to figure out what busybox date likes		09:20
kerio	i still don't get why we're using busybox instead of something good	09:20
DocScrutinizer	nuttin	09:20
timeless_mbp	kerio: can we not go there?	09:21
timeless_mbp	some of us need to get work done in time for a presentation on meego	09:21
DocScrutinizer	messybox likes nuttin, and nobody likes messybox	09:21
kerio	no, let's go there	09:21
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: sounds about right	09:21
kerio	long ride to school, i have nothing fun to do	09:21
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DocScrutinizer	kerio: RAM footprint, mainly	09:22
timeless_mbp	kerio: write me a script which: sets date to +/- Xdays; runs arbitrary command, sets date to -/+ Xdays	09:22
timeless_mbp	s/RAM/ROM/	09:22
kerio	timeless_mbp: nothanks	09:22
timeless_mbp	well, maybe both	09:22
timeless_mbp	kerio: you said you have nothing to do!	09:22
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: may the script consist of apt-get install cmds as well? :-P	09:23
timeless_mbp	DocScrutinizer: what are you going to install?	09:23
DocScrutinizer	date, obviously	09:23
peb_	good morning folks!	09:24
johnx	it does seem to insist on minutes	09:25
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kerio	timeless_mbp: my script so far starts with apt-get install easy-debian	09:25
johnx	actually, timeless_mbp, there's a pretty simple way to do it, having date do most of the conversion work	09:26
johnx	I think ...	09:26
timeless_mbp	johnx: what worries me is that i can't see any safe way to undo drift	09:26
timeless_mbp	it really needs to let me say "set clock back -Xdays"	09:26
johnx	it will	09:27
timeless_mbp	it's ok for me to do "set clock back -X<y*minutesperday>minutes"	09:27
johnx	well, the little function I'm writing will	09:27
DocScrutinizer	johnx: not with messybox date, it's braindead	09:27
johnx	DocScrutinizer, well, you have to do the conversion, then set the time, I mean, yeah, maybe we'll be off by a couple seconds	09:28
DocScrutinizer	undo drift? o.O	09:28
johnx	nah, not that	09:28
johnx	just make a date wrapper that understands setting the clock back by n time-units	09:28
DocScrutinizer	dudes!!	09:28
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johnx	but yeah, who cares about the drift :P	09:28
DocScrutinizer	date -s whatever; do whatever; hwclock --hctosys	09:29
johnx	that sounds good too	09:29
DocScrutinizer	where you all found those mushrooms? :-P	09:30
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jvesiluoma	hmmh, I think I'll change my web interface thingie from php to cgi or something	09:31
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# date	09:31
DocScrutinizer	Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:31:21 GMT-1	09:31
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# date -d "-5 days"	09:31
DocScrutinizer	Sa., 6. Nov. 2010 08:31:35 GMT-1	09:31
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DocScrutinizer	apt-get install core-utils-gnu	09:32
DocScrutinizer	s/-d/-s/ ; for really setting the time	09:33
timeless_mbp	oh	09:33
timeless_mbp	we do have /sbin/hwclock	09:33
timeless_mbp	warning: also busybox	09:34
DocScrutinizer	shrug yep, that's not like diablo	09:34
timeless_mbp	it was missing?	09:34
DocScrutinizer	afaik yes	09:34
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mece	are there instructions in the wiki on flashing kernel only?	09:38
mece	with flasher	09:38
johnx	mece, flasher --help will tell you	09:39
johnx	it's -k for kernel only	09:39
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mece	johnx, well it was not for me	09:39
mece	http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15471&stc=1&d=1289459626	09:40
* mece sighs		09:40
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mece	the "noob friendly" tutorial for dual booting meego at work	09:40
johnx	tell them to google: maemo flasher kernel only	09:41
johnx	first link is to the maemo wiki with the proper instructions	09:41
johnx	ah, well, kinda	09:41
* timeless_mbp sighs		09:41
timeless_mbp	i know i've created a 0 length symlink on bsd before	09:42
* timeless_mbp can't remember how		09:42
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timeless_mbp	ah /tmp's file system doesn't support it!	09:45
mece	johnx, gave him this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+flash+kernel+only&l=1	09:46
mece	:D	09:46
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timeless_mbp	mece++	09:46
DocScrutinizer	timeless_mbp: (offset. drift?):	09:46
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` + 1 day"	09:47
DocScrutinizer	Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-1	09:47
DocScrutinizer	Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-1	09:47
DocScrutinizer	grr	09:47
DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 1 day"	09:47
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DocScrutinizer	btw i found a bug in date, by using an offset of 5 days instead 1 day. Seems DST switch confuses hell out of date's calculations	09:49
DocScrutinizer	or dunno what	09:49
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DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-2 days' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 2 days"	09:50
DocScrutinizer	Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:50:20 GMT-1	09:50
DocScrutinizer	Mi., 10. Nov. 2010 07:50:20 GMT-1	09:50
kerio	wat	09:50
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DocScrutinizer	IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d 'now -2 hours' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` +2 hours"	09:54
DocScrutinizer	Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:53:42 GMT-1	09:54
DocScrutinizer	Do., 11. Nov. 2010 06:53:42 GMT-1	09:55
DocScrutinizer	meh	09:55
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DocScrutinizer	friggin mushrooms	09:57
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knightstalker	Hello,I had question if h-e-n (Usb host mode enabler) does all the work(kernel install,l2p thingy and..)?	09:58
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phellarv	1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)?	10:06
madduck	after the recent upgrade of Maemo on the N900, must I use a different repository for extras?	10:09
* madduck lost his vpn client		10:09
DocScrutinizer	knightstalker: yes	10:09
knightstalker	madduck,no	10:09
knightstalker	I haven't changed my repositories	10:09
madduck	knightstalker: fremantle-1.3?	10:09
knightstalker	Doc,Wow,That would be great	10:09
knightstalker	yeah PR1.3	10:10
knightstalker	Doc,so now I just need female to female thingy?	10:10
DocScrutinizer	~hostmode	10:10
infobot	rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527	10:10
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DocScrutinizer	knightstalker: that adapter and a bit of fun with experimenting	10:10
DocScrutinizer	knightstalker: nothing in maemo is prepared to do hostmode	10:11
knightstalker	lol,k,	10:11
knightstalker	I was just excited for experimenting too :P	10:11
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madduck	i used to have a vpn client that integrated with the system menu (tap on the clock) and worked quite nicely, but it seems to be gone :(	10:11
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knightstalker	madduck,hmm,after upgrading as I remember,you needed to install anything again	10:12
madduck	right, but i can't even find it in APT	10:13
knightstalker	ahh,There are no debs around either?	10:13
knightstalker	*.deb I mean	10:14
madduck	i forgot what the software was called. :(	10:14
timeless_mbp	vpnc ?	10:14
madduck	ah vpnc-gui	10:14
madduck	and "restore applications" lists it	10:14
DocScrutinizer	knightstalker: I suggest you wait 12..48h, Mohammad (where's he gone??) is about to prepare a new pkg based on better power-kernel	10:14
jpinx-eeepc	DocScrutinizer: fwiw th package "currency converter" is a total fail after the update too. I've tried removing and re-installing it	10:14
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madduck	but they cannot be installed. missing dependencies (something python2.5)	10:15
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knightstalker	madduck,hmm,python2.5 is installed here	10:19
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knightstalker	Doc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)?	10:19
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knightstalker	sorry if the question was nubbish :p	10:23
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timeless_mbp	johnx: so...date?	10:26
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johnx	timeless_mbp, nah. I'm married	10:28
timeless_mbp	you're fruity	10:28
johnx	heh	10:28
madduck	my problem seems related to qt4	10:28
madduck	python2.5-qt4-common is uninstallable	10:29
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johnx	timeless_mbp, so, why are you so worried about a second or two of drift?	10:29
phellarv	1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)?	10:29
madduck	and for the PyQT 4 Full install, libqt4-test is also missing	10:29
timeless_mbp	it's kinda rude to break someone's clock	10:29
timeless_mbp	but yeah, i can live w/ 50s drift	10:29
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madduck	hm, the description says PR1.2	10:29
johnx	why would it be that much?	10:29
madduck	that might be the problem	10:29
timeless_mbp	phellarv: you can try listening to dbus to see if conic is chatty	10:30
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andax	phellarv: possibly nmap?	10:31
timeless_mbp	andax: not technically	10:32
timeless_mbp	if process-1 asks for a network and process-2 uses it	10:32
timeless_mbp	you'll blame 2 which is wrong	10:32
timeless_mbp	phellarv: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity#Requesting_for_Connection	10:33
timeless_mbp	is probably the documentation	10:33
timeless_mbp	but basically, run dbus-monitor and see if browser is chatty on dbus when you ask it to load a page w/o a network	10:34
knightstalker	Doc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)?	10:34
timeless_mbp	if it is, then you can listen for dbus	10:34
knightstalker	eh,That question was about Usb host mode	10:34
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knightstalker	ah,and my last question will be if h-e-n supports Cd writers	10:36
RST38h	EHLO, punks	10:37
madduck	can anyone even install vpnc-gui or vpnc?	10:37
madduck	with new maemo?	10:38
johnx	RST38h, 250-johnx	10:39
RST38h	johnx: evening!	10:39
johnx	RST38h, usually I only answer if the second argument is an FQDN	10:39
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RST38h	johnx: Do you by any chance know what nitroid kernel patches are and if they are safe to have permanently in the kernel?	10:40
RST38h	johnx: Ok, consider yourself hacked.	10:40
knightstalker	madduck,Installation done,its now processing triggers for catorise	10:40
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timeless_mbp	madduck: dunno about instal	10:40
johnx	RST38h, I have about this much interest in android holds fingers really close together	10:40
timeless_mbp	but i'm using it	10:40
johnx	so no idea about nitdroid	10:40
knightstalker	timeless,lol	10:40
timeless_mbp	and iirc i got an update for it	10:40
timeless_mbp	knightstalker: so...	10:41
timeless_mbp	there's a different	10:41
knightstalker	Mine installed too :p	10:41
timeless_mbp	s/different/difference/	10:41
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: there's a difference	10:41
RST38h	johnx: not exactly an android fan either, but Mohammad is including a kernel into his community SSU	10:41
timeless_mbp	if you install foo and then OTA from pr1.2 to pr1.3	10:41
RST38h	johnx: And I have been wondering if android stuff is kosher to have there by default	10:41
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timeless_mbp	it's possible that you might not be able to install foo on 1.3 even though you installed it on 1.2 and updated to 1.3	10:41
mece	omg wtf don't I know this?? Wwhen doing at echo "do something" >> myscript.sh how do I get a new line?	10:41
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johnx	I heard it was pretty invasive, but it might not have any actual effect in day-to-day use	10:42
timeless_mbp	mece: echo >> myscript.sh	10:42
RST38h	mece: Use printf? (yes, there is printf in shell)	10:42
phellarv	timeless_mbp: I think I have a rogue prcess somewhere - My N900 is connecting to the net alot lately.	10:42
mece	timeless_mbp: that gives a new empty line?	10:42
phellarv	timeless_mbp: So thanks for the pointers	10:42
timeless_mbp	mece: try it?	10:42
mece	timeless_mbp, I shall.	10:42
timeless_mbp	phellarv: it's actually a useful app	10:42
timeless_mbp	lemme know if you write it, i'll toss you some CUR via paypal	10:43
madduck	knightstalker: I don't even see it in APT; which catalogs do you have?	10:43
johnx	mece, echo -e '\n'	10:43
mece	the -e means it understands \n?	10:43
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johnx	the -e means interpret escape sequences or something	10:44
RST38h	johnx: Looking at FreeBSD tcsh echo, it only has -n	10:45
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RST38h	johnx: Which is "do not print EOLN character"	10:45
knightstalker	medduck,hmm,have you tried to sudo apt-get install vpnc-gui in the terminal?	10:45
johnx	RST38h, interesting. even busybox echo has -e	10:45
madduck	http://slexy.org/raw/s2yEdz5LXU seems a bit outdated, e.g. the ovi list doesn't even exist on their web server anymore	10:45
knightstalker	first do apt-get update btw	10:45
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johnx	RST38h, what about /bin/echo?	10:45
RST38h	echo: shell built-in command.	10:45
madduck	knightstalker: yes, vpnc-gui does not exist as apackage in APT	10:45
X-Fade	achipa: ping?	10:46
RST38h	johnx: it prints "-e" :)	10:46
madduck	i am still running freemantle, not gregale, right?	10:46
mece	oh well.. timeless_mbp's method worked fine	10:46
mece	thanks	10:46
RST38h	johnx: There is a semi-proper printf though, right in the shell	10:46
achipa	X-Fade: pomg	10:47
timeless_mbp	madduck: gregale is a few years old...	10:47
timeless_mbp	and requires different hardware	10:47
madduck	ok	10:47
knightstalker	madduck,I have Nokia Applications,Nokia system software update,Ovi,Maemo.org(extras-extras-devel,extras-testing)	10:47
X-Fade	achipa: I wiped the 4.7.5 versions, will you upload new ones soon?	10:47
achipa	X-Fade: wanted to yesterday, but something came up, so prolly today	10:47
madduck	knightstalker: can you show me your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list pklease?	10:47
X-Fade	achipa: Ok.	10:48
achipa	X-Fade: did you get rid of the libmeegotouch stuff in free too ?	10:48
knightstalker	madduck,a sec	10:48
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X-Fade	achipa: No, but I will do that now.	10:48
achipa	X-Fade: in fact, could you talk to the guy directly so we don't play ... what's the name of that game in english... mute-phones ?	10:48
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X-Fade	achipa: It is only meegotouchtheme, right?	10:50
knightstalker	madduck,http://pastebin.com/hEHSZCQv	10:50
knightstalker	There you go	10:50
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madduck	hm, i am missing the last one	10:51
andax	mece: echo "" && echo "2nd line"	10:51
madduck	i wonder why	10:51
achipa	errr... libmeegotouch*	10:51
achipa	no, wait	10:51
madduck	andax: you don't need "" there, that's DOS	10:51
X-Fade	achipa: there is no libmeegotouch in free.	10:52
timeless_mbp	ooh, there's an update for tweakr	10:52
madduck	and you could just use print or printf	10:52
DocScrutinizer	knightstalker: please read the thread, from post #1 to very end. h-e-n supports all rsp nothing. CD-writers are 'supported' by programs like mkisofs, k3b, whatnot. h-e-n is just about USB. If it's USB then h-e-n supports it, basically	10:52
andax	madduck, uhm, right :)	10:52
knightstalker	Doc,and you didn't answer my first question :P,About if I can use my own n900 adapter,using its female part to connect it to the usb	10:52
DocScrutinizer	where T F is a female part there?	10:53
knightstalker	Hmm,dunno :P	10:53
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DocScrutinizer	sorry, you seem to make no sense to me	10:54
knightstalker	isn't the big part of it called female :o	10:54
johnx	knightstalker, you're do for a talk about the birds and the bees ...	10:54
madduck	uh, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle* seems to no longer exist	10:54
tugrik	knightstalker: the pointy bits are male, the holes are female - which is applicable to most contexts	10:54
knightstalker	tugrik,ah thanks	10:55
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chibi-taiga	no reply still	10:59
chibi-taiga	to fix radio	10:59
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madduck	aah, it needs httpS://	11:00
madduck	i really wonder why i need to configure this manually and the upgrade didn't do it.	11:00
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madduck	still no vpn app	11:00
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madduck	knightstalker: could you run 'apt-get -d install vpnc-gui' and show me the output?	11:01
TermanaDesire	chibi-taiga: I swear to God if you haven't read/tried what was said to you about your issue I will kick your head off	11:01
knightstalker	madduck,k,I'll need to remove vpnc-gui first though	11:02
knightstalker	give me a sec	11:02
madduck	knightstalker: or just apt-cache policy vpnc-gui	11:02
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chibi-taiga	talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=867416#post867416	11:02
knightstalker	worked	11:03
knightstalker	a sec	11:03
chibi-taiga	i readed this but it tdidnt work	11:03
knightstalker	http://pastebin.com/bvSpJ0Ra	11:03
knightstalker	there you go madduck	11:03
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madduck	knightstalker: you must have other files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, do you?	11:04
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knightstalker	no	11:05
madduck	and /etc/apt/sources.list?	11:05
Chibi-Taiga	so what can i do now?	11:05
madduck	knightstalker: in http://pastebin.com/hEHSZCQv, there is no "http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free" repository	11:05
knightstalker	still no	11:05
knightstalker	madduck,I am willing to give you SSH con though :P	11:06
knightstalker	despite its risk XD	11:06
knightstalker	madduck,I just nano'ed and gave you the results	11:06
madduck	nah, i don't need it, but thanks	11:06
madduck	http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages does not exist	11:06
X-Fade	madduck: moment, regenerating.	11:07
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X-Fade	madduck: hmm no, misread the url that is sdk. ;)	11:09
X-Fade	And that url can't exist. it is either sdk/ root tools/	11:10
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timeless_mbp	hrm	11:10
X-Fade	s/root/or/	11:10
infobot	X-Fade meant: And that url can't exist. it is either sdk/ or tools/	11:10
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: ? does extras-devel have fremantle1.3 v. fremantle v. fremantle1.2 ?	11:11
madduck	uh, is there a wiki page that lists the normal contents of this file?	11:11
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: notice the /extras/ missing.	11:11
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: unrelated question	11:11
madduck	apparently, after the flash, the repository list wasn't setup properly	11:11
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madduck	so now I need to regenerate it by hand because a lot of stuff isn't working anymore.	11:12
knightstalker	madduck,didn't you have any backups made?	11:12
madduck	yes, i did	11:12
knightstalker	eh,my backup restored everything	11:12
knightstalker	even the catalogs	11:12
madduck	and the backups are failing to restore because certain packages cannot be installed	11:12
knightstalker	omg -.-	11:13
madduck	i really wonder where you are getting vpnc-gui from	11:13
timeless_mbp	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/11/AR2010111100896.html	11:13
timeless_mbp	madduck: it might be vpngui	11:13
madduck	knightstalker: could you remove it, run apt-get clean and then apt-get -d --print-uris install vpnc-gui to get the full URL	11:13
knightstalker	madduck sure	11:14
madduck	timeless_mbp: # dpkg -l vpn\*	11:14
madduck	No packages found matching vpn*.	11:14
knightstalker	a sec again	11:14
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* timeless_mbp frowns		11:16
knightstalker	done,paste binning	11:16
knightstalker	http://pastebin.com/eN2Yyg70	11:17
madduck	might be extras-testing	11:17
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: why does ham want me to upgrade ~9 packages from v X to v X when i switch from testing to devel?	11:17
timeless_mbp	vpngui is definitely in devel	11:17
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Because devel has newer versions?	11:17
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: "newer" versions w/ the same version number?	11:17
knightstalker	madduck,as I see it says extras-devel in the link	11:17
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X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Not possible.	11:18
timeless_mbp	X-Fade: how do i prove this short of taking a bunch of screen captures?	11:18
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: what does apt-get say?	11:18
timeless_mbp	probably "someone else is holding the apt lock" :)	11:18
X-Fade	Hehe, yeah close ham :)	11:19
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madduck	knightstalker: thanks, that was it	11:26
madduck	i didn't know i had those extras-* repos in my previous install	11:26
knightstalker	madduck,Welcome!	11:27
timeless_mbp	madduck: so, um	11:27
Chibi-Taiga	anyways no one can help me fix radio?	11:28
timeless_mbp	if you use backup, it should store your repo list and your package list	11:28
timeless_mbp	so restore should just work	11:28
timeless_mbp	chibi-taiga: don't install third party kernels if you want things to work	11:28
madduck	timeless_mbp: it did not in this case. :(	11:28
Chibi-Taiga	well i didnt had any problems befor i updated	11:29
Chibi-Taiga	and i use same apps/kernels	11:30
villev	someone with ssh session open to the device w/ pr1.3 - could you kindly execute this:	11:30
villev	md5sum /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6	11:30
villev	and say whether you get 5b2368e9a64.....	11:30
villev	or ab7bb3d39dfeb47360d	11:31
villev	it seems there are 2 kinds of pr1.3 going around	11:31
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madduck	ab7bb3d39dfeb47360d2cc5674ebfd6a	11:31
Chibi-Taiga	i updated mines trough nsu3	11:31
villev	anyony got 5b23...?	11:31
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timeless_mbp	villev: i got something else	11:35
timeless_mbp	prelink?	11:35
* timeless_mbp didn't use ssh, just x terminal		11:36
villev	timeless_mbp: so you have hacked something on your device?	11:36
timeless_mbp	no	11:36
villev	or do you have an internal nokia image?	11:36
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timeless_mbp	are you sure this isn't just prelink giving random hashes?	11:36
villev	no, I'm not. please elaborate :)	11:37
timeless_mbp	hrm, maybe we stopped doing it	11:37
* timeless_mbp shrugs		11:37
timeless_mbp	i'm using pr1.3 but yeah, i got it a bit early	11:38
timeless_mbp	(like a month?)	11:38
Chibi-Taiga	ohwell thx for the support	11:40
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timeless_mbp	X-Fade: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/847464	11:52
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chem\|st	villev: there are 3 different versions but I do not understand why the standard c++ lib should be different?!	11:53
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X-Fade	timeless_mbp: No idea, those packages are the same.	11:54
chem\|st	villev: which version is the ab7.. sum from? got the 5b23... from PR1.2 OTA updated to PR1.3	11:55
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timeless_mbp	X-Fade: i have a bunch of others :(	11:55
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Maybe mvo knows.	11:55
timeless_mbp	!summon mvo	11:56
timeless_mbp	:)	11:56
timeless_mbp	no workee	11:56
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Well it is easier for you to visit him than for me.	11:56
timeless_mbp	oh sure, make me get out of bed	11:56
timeless_mbp	before noon!	11:57
X-Fade	timeless_mbp: Only just. :)	11:57
timeless_mbp	3 whole minutes!	11:57
timeless_mbp	it's an outrage!	11:57
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chem\|st	madduck: how did you get pr1.3 and is it a country version?	12:00
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smooph1	hey guys ... i have a bit of a problem ... the phone app is too slow	12:06
timeless_mbp	interesting problem	12:06
timeless_mbp	how is this harming you?	12:06
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smooph1	it harms me in the way that i cannot answer a call	12:07
X-Fade	smooph1: That means it is time to reboot your phone.	12:07
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X-Fade	smooph1: Yes, not good. But that will help.	12:07
timeless_mbp	smooph: how many third party apps are you running/have you installed/do you have on your desktop/do you have in your system notification area	12:07
smooph1	when getting a call a couple of seconds pass till i can get the phone out and another couple of seconds till the screen shows the call than another couple of seconds till its in horizontal and then the call is gone	12:07
timeless_mbp	horizontal?	12:08
smooph1	sory vertical	12:08
timeless_mbp	is that a software or hardware detail?	12:08
smooph1	screen rotation ?	12:08
timeless_mbp	maybe you need a bluetooth headset so you can answer w/o fishing for your phone	12:08
timeless_mbp	ok 'portrait'	12:09
smooph1	ok yes portrait	12:09
timeless_mbp	so, the phone doesn't need to use portrait mode	12:09
X-Fade	The problem is that your phone is swapping like mad a that point.	12:09
timeless_mbp	although if you're pulling it out of your pocket, you'll probably bring it into portrait mode	12:09
lcuk	smooph1, check the turning control in the preferences, try the other options	12:09
smooph1	no desktop widget other than calendar home widget and conversation	12:09
timeless_mbp	conversations?	12:09
smooph1	timeless_mbp: yes	12:10
timeless_mbp	is that a widget or a shortcut?	12:10
timeless_mbp	if it's a widget, i don't know it	12:10
smooph1	widget	12:10
timeless_mbp	i'd kill that first	12:10
timeless_mbp	and calendar second	12:10
timeless_mbp	also, how many presence services are you using?	12:11
chem\|st	smooph1: and restart hildon-home or the changes have no effekt	12:11
nidO	also, maybe have a timeout of longer than 6 seconds before having calls go to voicemail	12:11
chem\|st	smooph1: dont kill it, use proper dsme commands	12:11
lcuk	hm	12:11
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chem\|st	smooph1: have a look what is hogging your cpu when you just slide open the keyboard from standby	12:12
smooph1	is there a way to speed up the change between landscape and portrait	12:12
smooph1	because i think this is more the problem than some widget	12:13
nidO	yes, transitions.ini - there're many tutorials on tmo detailing how to change the transitions and suggestions on optimum settings	12:13
nidO	altering the rotation angle, speeding up the rotate, and reducing the blankout can make a difference with call rotations	12:13
nidO	but really, if the time for the transition effect to happen is causing you to miss your calls, your best solution's really gonna be not having them go to voicemail so fast..	12:14
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chem\|st	nidO: isn't the call rotate and answer delayed by purpose? afair that is a "feature" of pr1.3 to prevent something	12:14
smooph1	nidO: sounds good .... thanks to the other tips too but I honestly don't want to disable the widgets	12:15
nidO	chem\|st: the actual effect of the rotation itself when it happens is handled by transitions.ini though, and it can be sped up and made smoother	12:15
chem\|st	nidO: yeah I know but I remember reading about a delay on purpose in pr1.3	12:16
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RobbieThe1st	Hi, all	12:16
timeless_mbp	chem\|st: interesting..	12:17
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chem\|st	smooph1: I had a widget hogging my cpu after about 8h of use anytime I return from standby, on screen or not, 100s of gettimeofday commands were send	12:17
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smooph1	chem\|st: so what should I do ?	12:18
chem\|st	timeless_mbp: something about a wait for systems to be ready	12:18
smooph1	where do i look?	12:18
nidO	sigh, this has been bugging me for ages - if two contacts have the same phone number, is there any way to get the device to actually show one of those contacts when the phone rings from them, rather than just the number itself?	12:19
timeless_mbp	no	12:19
chem\|st	smooph1: there is something hogging your device whe you return from standby?	12:19
timeless_mbp	sorry :(	12:19
nidO	lame.	12:19
timeless_mbp	nidO: make 3 contacts	12:19
timeless_mbp	person1	12:19
timeless_mbp	person2	12:19
timeless_mbp	sharedPeople	12:19
timeless_mbp	give the number to sharedPeople	12:19
timeless_mbp	e.g. mom, dad, mod+dad	12:20
nidO	doesnt work though, the only reason the number is in 2 contacts is because its in the skype profile for one of them	12:20
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timeless_mbp	same person?	12:20
timeless_mbp	merge contacts	12:20
nidO	situation is	12:20
nidO	I have a contact for my own home number	12:20
nidO	I also have a contact for my girlfriend, including her skype account	12:20
chem\|st	timeless_mbp: skype profile of one person has the number from by hand in another contact	12:20
nidO	her skype profile has all of her numbers, including our home number	12:21
nidO	so by extension, her contact also has our home number	12:21
nidO	which I cant remove without removing her skype info entirely	12:21
timeless_mbp	cute	12:21
timeless_mbp	so	12:21
timeless_mbp	please file a bug	12:21
timeless_mbp	explain that you want to be able to mark a certain contact's instance of a certain number as 'preferred'	12:22
chem\|st	nidO: do you call yourself? or is it the "your info" thing?	12:22
timeless_mbp	do explain the usecase	12:22
smooph1	chem\|st: sorry i don't understand what you are saying ... what should I do ? I don't know what hogging is and how I should find out?	12:22
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chem\|st	smooph1: look what is occupying your CPU at time of unlock	12:22
Robot101	DocScrutinizer: MWI - message waiting indicator? on sip I guess? or gsm? isn't supported afaik, but we have a spec for it and an implementation in tp-ring now I think.	12:23
smooph1	how?	12:23
DocScrutinizer	SIP	12:23
chem\|st	smooph1: htop top or something equivalent	12:23
chem\|st	smooph1: top is pre installed, open up a terminal and enter "top"	12:24
smooph1	with unlock u mean slide open the keyboard right ?	12:24
smooph1	... than the top one is htop	12:25
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chem\|st	smooph1: now close keyboard use the lock switcch or anything to lock screen and keyboard (standby)	12:25
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Venemo	hi guys	12:25
chem\|st	smooph1: and yes, then slide open the keyboard	12:25
Venemo	~seen Khertan	12:25
nidO	chem\|st: I both call and receive calls from home occasionally yeah. timeless_mbp: the usecase is just preference on where I want contact info to display - it would clearly seem to be a bug though, because it's only on an incoming call and while the call's in progress that it shows the number instead of contact info	12:25
infobot	khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-95-72.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 12m 50s ago, saying: 'oups wrong windows'.	12:25
chem\|st	smooph1: top and htop are two different programs	12:25
timeless_mbp	nidO: the UI team picked the behavior	12:26
nidO	after the call's taken place, the call log shows the call as having come from the contact who's first in the list alphabetically with that number	12:26
chem\|st	nidO: that is since 1.0!?	12:26
timeless_mbp	note that there are some other lame cases	12:26
smooph1	ok i used htop ... when opening the keyboard the 1st is htop 2nd is Xorg	12:26
chem\|st	nidO: and I remember a bug about that since ever	12:26
chem\|st	and the third?	12:26
timeless_mbp	+18005551212 +4478905551212	12:26
smooph1	osso-xterm	12:26
timeless_mbp	in a case like that, it's possible that your phone won't actually be told the full phone number	12:26
smooph1	sometimes hildon	12:27
chem\|st	smooph1: is something else kicking in from time to time in the first 10 seconds	12:27
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chem\|st	smooph1: with 60%+cpu usage	12:27
smooph1	dbus-daemon ... nothing big	12:27
smooph1	let me try making a call ... maybe it has something to do with that ..	12:28
chem\|st	smooph1: thats jsut fine, if you get a call and it takes you longer than 4 seconds to pickup there is something wrong (if rotation is turned off)	12:29
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smooph1	chem\|st: Ok there is definitly enough time to answer the phone ... if somebody lets it ring till its disconnected by the "the person you are calling is temporarly unavailable" speech	12:33
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chem\|st	smooph1: there is no spoon...	12:33
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smooph1	but still the rotation takes too long for my tast ... turning the phone from landscape to portrait there is a big delay before it rotates	12:34
smooph1	there is no spoon ?	12:34
smooph1	what does that mean?	12:34
chem\|st	smooph1: that's a movies's quote from matrix	12:35
chem\|st	smooph1: if you got enough time from ring to disconnect I don't know where the actual problem is	12:35
RobbieThe1st	The first matrix movie was awesome, BTW. Phone wise - That's odd, when my n900 gets called, the phone app opens up in portrait mode no matter what, no "rotation" animation or anything	12:37
smooph1	maybe ... it's just the missed calls that made me aware of how I don't like the rotation delay ... can you point me to a how to change that?	12:37
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nidO	RobbieThe1st: have you got the display orientation fixed to portrair rather than automatic?	12:38
Venemo	RobbieThe1st: perhaps you set it to portrait mode in its settings	12:38
nidO	also, not sure if this was covered for smooph1, but why dont you just set orientation to portrait?	12:38
nidO	thatll stop any rotation animation	12:38
RobbieThe1st	Huh, no... I never messed with the settings at all, and typically use it in landscape mode. I tend to get quite upset when it goes portrait on me...	12:39
Venemo	smooph1: sorry, I'm late to the party, but what's your problem?	12:39
timeless_mbp	Venemo: "his phone is slow" :)	12:40
RobbieThe1st	Actually, wait... I guess there is a rotation animation, but it takes half a second or so for me, so I didn't notice it	12:40
chem\|st	smooph1: http://tinyurl.com/2dyn3el	12:40
Venemo	timeless_mbp: oh, the usual	12:40
Venemo	~flashing	12:40
infobot	hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	12:40
smooph1	I don't like the delay when rotating the phone ... espacially with incoming calls so either set the phone app to portrait only or change the rotation setting so the delay is less	12:40
Venemo	smooph1: try that link	12:40
timeless_mbp	Venemo: bah	12:41
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chem\|st	Venemo: O_o	12:41
Venemo	smooph1: if you prefer to, then set the phone app to portrait-only. it will be still landscape when the keyboard is open	12:41
smooph1	updating the firmware ... are you ?	12:41
Venemo	smooph1: or if you want rotation, then you could edit your transitions.ini	12:41
Venemo	smooph1: but if the "slowness" is caused by the garabage you installed, reflashing is the best soluion	12:42
smooph1	chem\|st: very funny ... guess what I already did that	12:42
RobbieThe1st	I'm curious - Does anyone here know why people are complaining about it being slow? I mean, I just opened up three browser windows, fbreader and the media player, and then -while- it was all loading I started the phone app. It started instantly, and switched to portrait in half a second or so	12:42
X-Fade	RobbieThe1st: Do the same after your phone is running for 5 days.	12:43
timeless_mbp	RobbieThe1st: inbound calls	12:43
timeless_mbp	opening phone from the ui isn't interesting	12:43
chem\|st	smooph1: the ini is in /usr/share/themes/<your theme> and copy the original one before you alter it	12:43
timeless_mbp	the inbound call ui is especaially painful	12:43
RobbieThe1st	Only on inbound? Hm... that'll be hard to test	12:43
timeless_mbp	s/aia/ia/	12:43
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: the inbound call ui is especially painful	12:43
timeless_mbp	RobbieThe1st: gimme your no	12:43
flux	I suppose inbound skype calls should be easier to test without owning two phones	12:44
RobbieThe1st	That's the problem - I ran out of active time. I've got to add time to my payg sim before I can do anything :\	12:44
timeless_mbp	even receive calls?	12:44
timeless_mbp	bah	12:44
Venemo	well then, keep the phone app open, then it will launch more quickly on inbound calls	12:44
nidO	oh, you from one of those dumb countries that charges you to receive? :\	12:44
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RobbieThe1st	Yea, as well as putting x-month limits on how long you have to use it	12:45
timeless_mbp	wow	12:45
timeless_mbp	nice	12:45
timeless_mbp	which reminds me	12:45
* timeless_mbp has a sim whose pin is unknown :(		12:45
RobbieThe1st	T-mobile's bad that way... But no worse than any of the -other- horrible companies here in the USA	12:45
chem\|st	nidO: over here the sim will be deactivated after a while so you are forced to raise your account's balance	12:45
* timeless_mbp should try to figure out how to recover it		12:45
nidO	timeless_mbp: is it yours?	12:45
timeless_mbp	well, i have some of both actually :)	12:46
timeless_mbp	but i only care about the mine case :)	12:46
nidO	does the network?	12:46
timeless_mbp	?	12:46
nidO	theyll give you the sim's puk if it's yours..	12:46
timeless_mbp	it's tied to me, so yeah i can do something	12:46
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realitygaps	hey guys, set up a 3g connection using fapn for ben.nl, but all i get is 'Internet Connection Failed, Try Again?'.. PR 1.3, any ideas?	12:47
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chem\|st	realitygaps: what do you mean by setup? your provider connections are preset normaly	12:48
chem\|st	realitygaps: does gprs/edge work?	12:49
realitygaps	chem\|st: they werent preset, but they have the connection details on their website, only thing needed is the access point name - which i set to internet.ben	12:50
realitygaps	chem\|st: how can i check if gprs/edge is working?	12:50
nidO	try connecting to the ap but on 2g not 3g	12:50
chem\|st	redeeman: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress	12:51
chem\|st	normaly you need to set a serveraddress	12:51
chem\|st	redeeman: sry	12:51
chem\|st	realitygaps: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress	12:51
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smooph1	I think I found my solution for now ... setting the phone app to portrait only ... we'll see if that helps me	12:52
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smooph1	thanks for the help	12:52
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chem\|st	smooph1: yw	12:52
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realitygaps	chem\|st: it said just to set up the APN as internet.ben ....	12:52
realitygaps	one sec ill find the details	12:53
chem\|st	realitygaps: settings->phone->network mode	12:53
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Venemo	smooph1: you're welcome	12:54
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realitygaps	chem\|st: The connection details are here: http://www.ben.nl/vragen/diensten/Internet/vraag-21/Wat+zijn+de+instellingen+voor+mijn+mobiel+voor+internet+met+mijn+sim+only+abonnement%3F.html	12:57
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khertan_	Morning all !	12:59
realitygaps	doesnt seem to do anything on 2G either :(	13:00
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nidO	obvious question, but are you actually on their network atm, or roaming?	13:01
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realitygaps	nid0: on their network, got a new sim a few days ago from them	13:02
realitygaps	but all it says is to put internet.ben as the access point name and everything else blank/defaults	13:03
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timeless_mbp	dpkg-deb: building package `foo' in `..deb'.	13:04
* timeless_mbp puzzles		13:04
jacekowski	timeless_mbp: it's selfsigned so i don't care anyways	13:04
timeless_mbp	jacekowski: i care because it's yet another stupid thing to deal w/ while trying to make jabber happy	13:05
timeless_mbp	i'd actually rather you not fix it	13:05
timeless_mbp	not until i make my script handle it	13:05
timeless_mbp	:)	13:05
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* timeless_mbp wonders how to comment out lines in DEBIAN/control files		13:06
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_trine	can someone point me to titans the new power kernel or something similar for PR 1.3 ?	13:07
realitygaps	timeless_mbp: think its just a #	13:07
timeless_mbp	warning, `foo/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `#Depends'	13:08
realitygaps	hmm, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446712 says it should work	13:09
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lcuk	realitygaps, no, it says that they have been supported since dpkg v 1.10.11 on debian..	13:10
Venemo	hey lcuk o/ :)	13:10
lcuk	what version is timeless using ?	13:10
timeless_mbp	Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.14.29 (amd64).	13:11
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timeless_mbp	try it yourself? :)	13:12
lcuk	\o	13:12
* timeless_mbp can't remember how to use DEBIAN		13:12
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lcuk	timeless_mbp, am on laptop only atm	13:13
timeless_mbp	it seems i don't have a working fakeroot	13:13
timeless_mbp	so i can't seem to make dpkg-buildpackage work	13:13
timeless_mbp	does DEBIAN require filename instead of PACKAGE.filename ?	13:13
timeless_mbp	(it probably does)	13:13
realitygaps	lcuk: true, just assumed it was new enough	13:14
lcuk	timeless_mbp, hm	13:15
lcuk	you just noted you are using the amd64 version of dpkg?	13:15
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lcuk	is that exposed in scratchbox?	13:15
lcuk	or are you just working on your normal host	13:15
timeless_mbp	i'm working on someone else's normal host	13:15
khertan_	Someday, someone will say that i'm completely crazy to create my packaging tools :)	13:16
khertan_	a new one ... this time base on python distutils	13:16
khertan_	http://khertan.net/python_sdist_maemo	13:16
khertan_	timeless, i ll say X-Depends	13:17
khertan_	as X is for eXtra ... user define	13:17
Venemo	khertan_: hi	13:18
khertan_	XS for include them in source	13:18
Venemo	khertan_: I just heard about your KhtEditor	13:18
khertan_	XB for include them in binary	13:18
Venemo	khertan_: is it able to compile/run a C/C++ application?	13:18
khertan_	XSBC ... i didn't remember c was :)	13:18
khertan_	Venemo, as an editor ... it s not able to compile anythings	13:18
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Venemo	khertan_: so it is not an IDE, juse a text editor?	13:19
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madduck	chem\|st: it is the global release and I flashed it	13:19
khertan_	Venemo, it s more a powerfull text editor than an idea	13:19
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khertan_	Venemo, specially when most advanced feature are for python dev	13:20
khertan_	Venemo, i never said it was an idea	13:20
khertan_	and xterm is perfect to compile :)	13:20
Venemo	khertan_: I don't wanna be rude, but I don't really care about Python	13:20
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Venemo	khertan_: hm	13:20
Venemo	khertan_: so you recommend using xterm to call gcc and stuff?	13:20
khertan_	Venemo, don't wanna be rude but don't really care about c++ this is why there isn't any c compilation	13:21
khertan_	Venemo, i ll say yes	13:21
Venemo	khertan_: :)	13:21
khertan_	Venemo, but i can add configurable button for launching compilation by opening xterm and launching script if you need :)	13:21
SpeedEvil	I do wanna be rude, but am too tired to read backscroll.	13:21
Venemo	khertan_: that would be the best thing :)	13:22
Venemo	khertan_: however if it does highlight C++ code, then it is what I will be using anyway :)	13:22
lcuk	khertan_, huh?	13:22
lcuk	you dont care about c++ thats why theres no c compiling?	13:22
lcuk	arent they different languages and intents?	13:22
Venemo	lcuk, I think we get what he meant	13:22
lcuk	c compoilation is entirely feasible on devices	13:23
khertan_	Venemo, it does, maybe not perfect ... as i didn't really use c++ hilighting there is maybe some glitches i ve just made quick test	13:23
lcuk	c++ well, it depends on the which libs	13:23
Venemo	lcuk, why would it depend on that?	13:23
khertan_	lcuk, of course doable on device ! but just not integrated into KhtEditor because i didn't have need for it and noone Yet ask it :)	13:24
lcuk	Venemo, cos adding even simple things in c++ increases compilation time drastically	13:24
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Venemo	lcuk, good point	13:25
sivang	timeless_mbp: playing with .debs?	13:26
timeless_mbp	sivang: interesting demo of how totally messed up maemo is	13:26
sivang	timeless_mbp: how are your slides going? I still have to work on mine	13:26
timeless_mbp	this will go into a slide or 4	13:26
timeless_mbp	basically we have a directory /etc/osso-af-init/	13:26
sivang	timeless_mbp: heh, ok, in what way?	13:26
timeless_mbp	which is a jumble	13:27
sivang	timeless_mbp: ah, "not init scripts" dir	13:27
timeless_mbp	some of the files are meatnt to be sourced	13:27
timeless_mbp	s/tnt/nt/	13:27
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: some of the files are meant to be sourced	13:27
Venemo	anyway, how do I install gcc, g++, qmake, and make onto the N900?	13:27
timeless_mbp	and some are meant to be <dunno>d	13:27
timeless_mbp	but they aren't automatically sourced	13:27
sivang	timeless_mbp: interesting I did not see a mere thing about this in the compliance spec	13:27
timeless_mbp	if you want to be sourced, you have to hand edit a file	13:27
sivang	bah	13:27
timeless_mbp	that's part one of well..	13:28
sivang	at least there's a spec, that's a start to have things compliant	13:28
timeless_mbp	it gets "better"	13:28
timeless_mbp	there's a spec?	13:28
sivang	timeless_mbp: yes, I did not bother looking at it until last night's TSG meeting	13:28
sivang	timeless_mbp: in which I was told that minor lessons were learned from Maemo in designing it	13:28
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timeless_mbp	hopefully that url is in your slides	13:29
timeless_mbp	hit me a prelim url (by email)	13:29
sivang	timeless_mbp: sure	13:29
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sivang	timeless_mbp: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-11-10-20.00.log.html , check time from 20:17:38. But actually it comes from LSB, so not there to address an issue per se.	13:33
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sivang	timeless_mbp: "clean namespace"	13:34
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timeless_mbp	tl;wr	13:35
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sivang	timeless_mbp: same here, tl.	13:36
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yacc	Does the n900 have cron or something like that?	13:57
nidO	alarmd	13:58
alterego	alarmd	13:58
Necc	:D	13:58
Necc	alarmEd	13:58
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X-Fade	achipa: qtm-declarative incoming it seems.	14:00
alterego	X-Fade:from where? :)	14:02
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achipa	X-Fade: yay	14:45
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andax	yacc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12572 btw: update regarding our recent minimal theme discussion: http://my.opera.com/ändäx/albums/slideshow/?album=5225982#	14:47
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andax	~ # dpkg -l \| grep cron	14:48
andax	~ #	14:48
infobot	somebody said # was pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe	14:48
Venemo	Necc: are you the same Necc who is on the Hungarian nokiaprogramok.hu forum with the same name?	14:48
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Necc	who wat where?	14:49
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FauxFaux	infobot, it could also be a noughts-and-crosses board!	14:49
infobot	So we want to be stupid, right, could also be a noughts-and-crosses board! ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop!	14:49
Venemo	Necc: nevermind then :)	14:49
Necc	Venemo: yes.	14:49
FauxFaux	Bah, you're not supposed to respond to non-pings, bad bot.	14:49
Venemo	Necc: oh, really?	14:49
Necc	...	14:49
Venemo	:P	14:50
Necc	type: /whois [nickname] and get your surprise	14:50
MSJ	hallo i have a problem i try to install mobilehotspot and then i restarted my nokia n900 now it wont do anything it does haning on some boting program called u-boot	14:50
MSJ	anybody that cna help me	14:50
Venemo	MSJ: see	14:51
Venemo	~flashing	14:51
infobot	[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	14:51
MSJ	i can not flash it tried all night	14:51
Venemo	nah, goodbye guys, I have to leave now	14:51
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MSJ	i wont let me find the niokia	14:51
MSJ	it**	14:51
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andax	FauxFaux: aahh, thats why the #-key on the phone is called tictactoe-key	14:53
andax	:-)	14:53
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tybollt	~installing meego	14:53
tybollt	~meego	14:53
infobot	meego is probably http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices	14:54
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MohammadAG51	my school's retarded	14:55
SpeedEvil	?	14:55
Necc	not just yours...	14:56
mece	tybollt, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot ?	14:56
SpeedEvil	There is one good sort of school.	14:56
SpeedEvil	It involves a teacher and a pupil, sitting on a log.	14:56
MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, router's username and password were admin/admin	14:56
SpeedEvil	In the best schools of this type, the teacher can hit the student with the log too.	14:57
MohammadAG51	easily got into their main computer	14:57
Termana	MohammadAG51, ha. That sounds like a school I went to	14:57
MSJ	anybody help me :-) how to get my nokia back	14:57
MSJ	???	14:57
Termana	MohammadAG51, The principle had his password as the first letter of his first name and then abbreviated version of his last name	14:58
Termana	(and his username was his name)	14:58
Necc	MSJ: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_or_re-flashing_the_firmware_using_the_Flasher	14:58
MohammadAG51	Termana, my school has 3 wireless access points, one of them is WEP locked	14:58
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nidO	i'd be sorely tempted to crack the wep, login to the ap, and just switch it to wpa2	15:00
Termana	MohammadAG51, with my new found power I changed the District Supervisor from the Department of Education's password for the school system.	15:00
Termana	Oops	15:00
Termana	:P	15:00
pupnik	anybody got a thinkpad with linux	15:00
pupnik	with touchscreen	15:00
MohammadAG51	nidO, did the first part	15:01
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* andax has linux-tp but no touchscreen		15:01
MohammadAG51	it was 10 numbers, it's on the class's board	15:01
Termana	MohammadAG51, wait let me guess... 1234567890	15:03
Termana	:P	15:03
MohammadAG51	nah, a bit more random	15:03
MohammadAG51	1212121212	15:03
Termana	pfft. They could have at least made it 1s and 0s rather than 2s. Make it spell something out	15:04
MSJ	listen to me.... i have tried to flash it but nothing works	15:04
MSJ	plz	15:04
MSJ	help	15:04
MSJ	me	15:04
MSJ	u-boot still there	15:05
MSJ	nothing to do	15:05
MSJ	http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=347002a75daf9b9af9821dd807bc40e6&p=870285#post870285	15:05
MohammadAG51	go to a shell and type boot?	15:06
MSJ	many people have the same problem	15:06
tybollt	mece: danke schön!	15:06
MSJ	muhammed >>> it just want start op there is no light on the screen but i can see the u boot screen :-)	15:07
tybollt	~retard	15:07
infobot	methinks retard is slow again, from latin 'tardis', time	15:07
MSJ	i can not write anything on it	15:07
MohammadAG51	MSJ, just flash the kernel back to stock then	15:07
MohammadAG51	you can	15:07
MohammadAG51	just press any key when it shows up	15:08
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MSJ	what does that mean muhhamed	15:08
MSJ	???	15:08
MSJ	is it possible to charge the battery when it like this??+	15:09
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MSJ	when i put the usb cable to the com it stands in orange light	15:09
MSJ	does it mean that it charhing	15:10
andax	. o O ( thats why i avoid flashing )	15:10
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MSJ	andax i never flashed it ... it a program that just did my nokia go gaga	15:11
MSJ	muuch help in this maemo channel	15:12
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MSJ	where are the brains in this channel+??	15:15
chem\|st	MSJ: uboot is extras devel and not for joe	15:15
MSJ	joe???	15:15
chem\|st	MSJ: AND THE HELL STOP IT!	15:15
nidO	MSJ you got your answer, and it's in the thread you yourself linked to.	15:15
chem\|st	MSJ: average Joe	15:15
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MSJ	i dont got nothing... it dosent work... http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=347002a75daf9b9af9821dd807bc40e6&p=870285#post870285 look here people have the same problem and non of the flashing things works for them either	15:16
shika	hello	15:16
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chem\|st	MSJ: if you screw your device with extras-devel software void user() returns Joe	15:17
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MSJ	okay I've exhausted all combinations:	15:18
MSJ	Command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R	15:18
MSJ	(Windows 7, cmd with administrator previlege)	15:18
MSJ	#1	15:18
MSJ	Battery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel"	15:18
MSJ	#2	15:18
MSJ	Battery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel"	15:18
MSJ	#3	15:18
MSJ	Battery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel"	15:18
MSJ	#4	15:18
MSJ	Battery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel"	15:18
MSJ	so uboot loads no matter how.	15:18
chem\|st	MSJ: have you tried to boot without backcover?	15:18
MSJ	as some hinted above perhaps it has to do with the battery and use PC usb to charge instead of the wall charger. hmm maybe. this is the last method I've seen so far. so let's see what happens when the battery is fully charged via PC USB (with no high hope though ... :-x )	15:18
Appiah	pastebin!	15:18
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: would you mind?	15:18
DocScrutinizer	eh?	15:19
MSJ	chem >> is that have something to say	15:19
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chem\|st	~tell MSJ about pastebin	15:19
Scelt	http://chetansurpur.com/blog/2010/11/magic-work-cycle.html	15:19
MSJ	thx for tje pastebin	15:20
MSJ	i booting it with no backcover	15:20
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chem\|st	MSJ: so without backcover it wont boot either?	15:21
MSJ	i have a small idea that the battery is low but i dont know if it charge when i put it in the charger	15:22
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DocScrutinizer	sigh	15:22
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DocScrutinizer	~flatbatrecover	15:22
Necc	and also i guess you removed the memory card too	15:22
infobot	Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover	15:22
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MSJ	should i remove it???	15:23
DocScrutinizer	chem\|st: uBoot will boot maemo if no (mountable) uSD, right?	15:23
Necc	do you has any idea how u-boot works or just "let it be installed for fun"?	15:23
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: yes	15:23
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: without backcover it should boot to maemo after timeout	15:24
DocScrutinizer	yep	15:24
chem\|st	Necc: the second ;)	15:24
nidO	DocScrutinizer: yes, but thats irrelevant in this case because hes replaced the stock kernel with power kernel	15:24
DocScrutinizer	and then hopefully start to charge, as MSJ is being told since 2 days to CHARGE BATTERY prior to flashing	15:24
chem\|st	nidO: didn't get that part scrolling	15:24
yacc	curious, is there some documentation how the USB tethering works? the PC shows in his dmesg "device cannot dial" but a normal wvdial works to connect.	15:25
MSJ	as i said i installed something called... mobilehotspot it said something about power kernal also so i installed that to... reboot then it was beeing wired about the u boot thing so i thouht it would boot to maemo but it just frezzres there	15:25
nidO	chem\|st: the whole problem came about when he installed mobilehotspot	15:25
nidO	which also installs power kernel	15:25
yacc	Does the n900 share the IP address with the host?	15:25
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chem\|st	nidO: ty	15:25
chem\|st	nidO: found it	15:25
DocScrutinizer	nidO: so what?	15:25
yacc	Does the N900 get a second IP address somehow from the provider?	15:25
nidO	MSJ, basically this major fuckup with your device has happened because you didnt read	15:25
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Necc	poer kernel from the extras-devel i guess	15:26
Necc	*power-kernel-2.6.28-maemo40 as i remember numbers correctly	15:26
nidO	DocScrutinizer: uboot and power-kernel arent compatible with each other	15:26
chem\|st	yacc: if you are talking about gsm/edge/umts 2g/3g then yes normal practice is to NAT through	15:26
MSJ	i take the battery off put in after 1 minut put it in to wall charger then the orange led turns on but i can also see on the screen that u-boot running	15:26
nidO	as clearly spelt out in the uboot info, and reiterated by stskeeps here:	15:26
nidO	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870262&postcount=28	15:26
DocScrutinizer	err wut?	15:26
MSJ	but there it no light on the screen	15:26
chem\|st	MSJ: that is normal afair, orange means charging	15:27
DocScrutinizer	MSJ: that's normal so far. low battery	15:27
pupnik	stskeeps is an hero	15:28
MSJ	oky i charge it then	15:28
MSJ	what do i do exacly after this	15:28
chem\|st	MSJ: wait for green light	15:28
nidO	once your device has power, follow this:	15:28
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nidO	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30	15:28
DocScrutinizer	it won't really charge, it just will boot eventually, and then hopefully boot to maemo and start flashing yellow, which means real charging	15:29
MSJ	boot to maemo??	15:29
MSJ	doc	15:29
MSJ	??	15:29
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DocScrutinizer	if it doesn't flash yellow, and instead reboots, you're screwed and need to charge externally (assuming you got no proper charging meego on a uSD for alternative OS boot)	15:30
DocScrutinizer	MSJ: I hope your ???? key won't wear out :-/ my eyes do, though	15:31
MSJ	oky thx all of you for the help for now.. i am sorry if have been an ass.. but when my nokia goes down i go down tooo with it	15:31
yacc	chem\|st, I'm talking explicitly about the USB tethering, which seems to be no NAT (or you could reach the n900 via IP, which you cannot), so yes what?	15:31
DocScrutinizer	MSJ: get an external charger, they are 5$ in an asian shop	15:31
chem\|st	yacc: which direction	15:32
MSJ	i live in denmark no asian shope	15:32
MSJ	but it is yellow or i will call it orange	15:32
yacc	chem\|st, when you plugin in PCSuite mode at least, the N900 plays a dumb USB UMTS modem too.	15:32
MSJ	and i can see the u-boot on the screen with no light just black screen understand??	15:33
yacc	chem\|st, /dev/ttyACM0 where you do the normal ppp dialin with the *99# number ;)	15:33
DocScrutinizer	what do you see exactly?	15:33
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DocScrutinizer	what's written or displayed on the screen?	15:33
nidO	MSJ: There are instructions given by Matan as to what you need to do in the thread you yourself linked, you still havent read them.	15:33
MSJ	you know that linux picture then it says something about u-boot bla bla power kernal stuff like that	15:34
chem\|st	yacc: nevermind, your pc does see a USB network device, afair the IP your host gets is another than the ip your n900 has inbound or outbound	15:34
DocScrutinizer	then it already tried to boot and got stuck in uBoot. It won't recover. Get some way to charge your battery without N900	15:35
MSJ	witch page	15:35
MSJ	4	15:35
MSJ	??	15:35
DocScrutinizer	you reached a deadend	15:35
yacc	chem\|st, yeah, that too, but it also sees a serial device, and I'm curious how that serial device is implemented, ...	15:35
nidO	DocScrutinizer: not true	15:35
nidO	MSJ: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30	15:35
MSJ	doc... noooooooooo	15:35
DocScrutinizer	nidO: not helpful	15:35
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nidO	ofc its helpful, he can get as far as uboot so he can get to its interactive console which means he can restore a working kernel using matan's script	15:36
MSJ	so it dosent charge	15:36
DocScrutinizer	nidO: uhuh, how he'll do that?	15:36
nidO	DocScrutinizer: how would he not be able to do that?	15:37
MSJ	nid0 .... have you seen what doc wrote	15:37
DocScrutinizer	meh, you just made it on my ignore list	15:37
MSJ	i never install one program on my nokia again	15:37
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chem\|st	yacc: ehrm pardon? PC-Suite is not part of the maemo stack...	15:37
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MSJ	i am so angry i could trow this phone away	15:37
Necc	because your own stupidness? how logical! :P :D	15:38
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yacc	chem\|st, and I do not use PC-Suite, but the PC-Suite mode provides a serial device that emulates an UMTS modem, and I'm curious about that, ..	15:38
yacc	MSJ: send it to me :)	15:38
chem\|st	MSJ: please proceed!	15:38
MSJ	:-(	15:38
chem\|st	MSJ: or do you want my postal address?	15:38
MSJ	you people are mean :-)	15:38
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yacc	MSJ: you do know that the power kernel and so on have huge warning stickers about "do you really want to do it and do you really know what you doing!!!" ?	15:39
MSJ	can i go to the phone company with this	15:39
Necc	or we're just happy if another person offers an N900 for free	15:39
chem\|st	MSJ: I am known as BOFH	15:39
chem\|st	MSJ: nope	15:39
MSJ	why not	15:39
MSJ	???	15:39
lcuk	chem\|st, who is your PFY?	15:39
DocScrutinizer	nidO: ok, you're a PITA in the way you answer, but you're right	15:39
yacc	MSJ: they might notice the uboot screen?	15:40
chem\|st	MSJ: your fault... it is written everywhere around and you did not read properly,	15:40
MSJ	so i have to break it berfore i go down to them	15:40
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MSJ	with other nokia does this battery fit to	15:40
MSJ	=???	15:40
yacc	MSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway.	15:40
DocScrutinizer	MSJ: read THIS! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30	15:40
yacc	5800 and so on.	15:40
yacc	BL-5J	15:41
* realitygaps got the 3g working, ben.nl had old connection settings on their website		15:41
chem\|st	lcuk: I got no assistant yet but I was talking to the bosses about that already ;)	15:41
lcuk	chem\|st, then you are not a BOFH	15:41
MSJ	what about the 3000 series	15:41
MSJ	??	15:41
lcuk	you are yourself a PFY?	15:41
lcuk	:P even	15:41
MSJ	doc... the orange led light is still on	15:42
DocScrutinizer	mhm, how interesting	15:43
chem\|st	lcuk: not having an assistant doesn't let me become one o_O	15:43
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DocScrutinizer	~lart matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post	15:44
* infobot drops a baby grand on matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post		15:44
chem\|st	lcuk: I know since that story a real bofh is in need of a pfy... I at least got people to do my work so I can be in IRC...	15:44
DocScrutinizer	type type type	15:45
DocScrutinizer	very noobfriendly	15:45
chem\|st	realitygaps: grats	15:45
pupnik	14:40 < yacc> MSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway. <<< YES	15:46
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pupnik	I highly recoomend a universal li-ion charger and spare batteries. you can keep a small stock of charged batteries	15:47
yacc	So any documentation on how the UMTS modem works on the N900?	15:47
chem\|st	MSJ: I would try that matan workaround first	15:47
yacc	pupnik, universal li-on charger? Any examples that would work?	15:47
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MSJ	doc i think it do charge begause i just took of from the charger and turn it on then there are light on the phone screen	15:48
DocScrutinizer	MSJ: please just believe me, it doesn't really charge	15:48
pupnik	http://www.accupower.at/panther6_en.php this works for me	15:49
yacc	MSJ: not to kill your happiness, most "highend" devices do not charge without cooperation of the software on it.	15:49
MSJ	oky but i can read waht it says on the u-boot screen now	15:49
yacc	pupnik, AT?	15:49
DocScrutinizer	MSJ: either you read, understand, and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 -- or you get an external charger	15:49
MSJ	who make this fucking	15:49
pupnik	yes they are an importer of chinese made stuff yacc	15:49
MSJ	sry	15:49
pupnik	so they ensure legal compliance in eu - rohs, warranty	15:49
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yacc	pupnik, price point?	15:50
MSJ	you dont know any command i can write on this doc??	15:50
pupnik	well the device from china is about 7 euro, the government compliance adds another 15 euro in cost	15:50
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DocScrutinizer	MSJ: and I know for sure it still doesn't boot, it still doesn't flash, and it will be off with completely drained battery ... about right now	15:50
MSJ	it says omap3rx-51>> here it is possible to write things	15:50
pupnik	however you as a customer do benefit from that compliance - only you could buy three devices for the price of one	15:50
yacc	eeck, Graz :(	15:51
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DocScrutinizer	MSJ: READ * * THIS: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30	15:51
MSJ	oky thx...	15:52
MSJ	:-)	15:52
DocScrutinizer	~debian MSJ	15:52
* infobot tells MSJ to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!		15:52
MSJ	i go to the store and make them charge it for me	15:53
DocScrutinizer	[2010-11-11 14:49:27] <DocScrutinizer> MSJ: either you read, understand, and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 -- or you get an external charger	15:53
yacc	MSJ: That's an idea ;)	15:53
DocScrutinizer	and now we're thru with your story, until you made some progress of any kind	15:54
yacc	pupnik, I'd prefer something that I can get out of the door and pickup myself, ...	15:54
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MSJ	oky doc	15:54
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yacc	pupnik, and driving 2x200km for a charger makes not exactly sense :(	15:55
pupnik	yacc: Federal Express	15:55
yacc	lol. these guys usually don't even ring here :(	15:56
realitygaps	chem\|st: yep im chuffed, thx for your help... the apn was called basic.internet.ben.data	15:57
DocScrutinizer	so driving 2 * 250km to pick up the fedex parcel? :-P	15:57
yacc	pupnik, what adapter are you using?	15:58
yacc	DocScrutinizer: No find that small dinky mobile shop that by mistake have a charger that I can use in stock ;)	15:58
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pupnik	the one i linked yacc	15:59
DocScrutinizer	hmm, that's just me but when in a pinch I always find ways to charge my batteries ;-D There's paperclips, and cars, and maybe even an old nokia wallcharger	16:00
yacc	pupnik, that's a link to the charger, but then you need an adapter for Nokia, ...	16:00
DocScrutinizer	also who says it has to be a LiIon cell that powers the contacts in that battery bay	16:01
pupnik	no, you place the battery in the charger yacc	16:01
pupnik	so you charge spare batteries while using your n900	16:01
yacc	DocScrutinizer: Trying to charge LithiumIon batteries when not knowing what you do is are real NOGO.	16:01
pupnik	or n800 770 etc,	16:01
DocScrutinizer	yacc: ABSOLUTELY	16:01
yacc	pupnik, I know, but the page says you get a charger and then you need an adapter for your battery, ...	16:01
yacc	pupnik, yeah, as I did with my G1, ...	16:02
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DocScrutinizer	yacc: I know what I know though :-D	16:03
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pupnik	yacc: i place all lithiums of all devices directly on the charger (with adapter) - the adapter is universal	16:03
yacc	Oh, so there is an universal adapter included?	16:04
pupnik	yes	16:04
DocScrutinizer	so at least I'm well aware when I'm not knowing what I do, and can take appropriate safety measures	16:04
pupnik	that's why i linked it - because it's a universal adapter	16:04
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DocScrutinizer	yacc: you know...	16:05
DocScrutinizer	~batteryfaq	16:05
infobot	somebody said batteryfaq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers	16:05
DocScrutinizer	?	16:05
yacc	pupnik, http://geizhals.at/?such=Panther6 <= notice the "Ladeschale"?	16:05
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yacc	DocScrutinizer: Well if you know how, everything is fine.	16:05
DocScrutinizer	nothing about brute force charging in there, but we knew why we didn't elaborate on that	16:06
pupnik	that is linkspamming to get hits for different battery types yacc	16:06
pupnik	it is the same product	16:06
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yacc	DocScrutinizer: Not sure if an old Nokia wall charger does have the needed electronics to charge a LiIon battery without a phone in between.	16:07
pupnik	i think DocScrutinizer is talking about just giving batteries some juice with manual supervision	16:07
DocScrutinizer	it has a relatively high Z which means voltage will go down smoothly @ max I	16:07
DocScrutinizer	and for the rest see pupnik ^^^	16:07
pupnik	i don't want to go on about this but a universal charger really helped me with all portable devices	16:08
DocScrutinizer	sure you can overcharge if you charge too long	16:08
pupnik	i now always have a fresh spare	16:08
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DocScrutinizer	basically depending on type of battery (has protective circuit or not) the cell itself will cut out on ~4.3V which is still considered safe. If you got one without... happy new year!	16:10
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: fried LiPolies ar fun!	16:12
DocScrutinizer	yep, MUUUUCH fun :-P	16:12
chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: its like an egg in a microwave	16:12
DocScrutinizer	youtube has zillions of videos about such fun	16:12
chem\|st	just faster....	16:13
DocScrutinizer	and hotter	16:13
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shika	has anyone managed to sync the n900 over bluetooth ?	16:16
chem\|st	shika: sync what?	16:16
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shika	calendar, addressbook	16:16
chem\|st	shika: with what	16:17
shika	I managed to do this with syncml-ds-tool, but on usb	16:17
shika	bt always fail I don’t know why	16:17
shika	tried with syncevolution and syncml-ds-tool	16:17
chem\|st	shika: please elaborate	16:17
shika	I’m sure it is paired because I can send files on it	16:17
chem\|st	shika: thunderbird?	16:17
shika	nope, evolution	16:18
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shika	(or text files)	16:18
chem\|st	shika: linux? (don't know if there is evo for windows)	16:18
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shika	chem\|st: yep, with linux	16:20
shika	I get First ERROR encountered: ObexTransprotAgent: Underlying transport error	16:20
shika	with syncevolution	16:20
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shika	I’ve got syncevolution 1.1	16:21
chem\|st	shika: are you able to send files?	16:21
chem\|st	if not your BT isn't setup properly	16:21
shika	yep	16:21
shika	that’s why I’m pretty sure it is paired	16:21
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shika	the bluetooth icon goes blue on the n900 systray	16:22
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_trine	MohammadAG, are you here ?	16:26
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_trine	MohammadAG, is it ok if I give that neopwn program to my friends as well	16:28
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shika	chem\|st: here’s what I get with syncml-ds-tool : http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21217	16:36
shika	I see it attempts to connect to the n900, but it somehow fails :/	16:36
jacekowski	timeless_mbp: i fixed my certs	16:36
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jacekowski	timeless_mbp: with proper trusted signed certs	16:37
zap	What package contains the program to enable USB host mode? kernel-power already installed.	16:37
kaie	alterego, I was able to fix my meego/n900 startup ssh-keygen-stalls issue by mounting the sd card on PC, and copying keys to the right place. thanks for your idea. should we document this somewhere?	16:38
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shika	chem\|st: here’s what sdptool finds about the phone http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21218	16:41
shika	I wonder why the connection gets rejected :/	16:41
jacekowski	zap: kernel-hostmode	16:44
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shika	also, version 1.0 and 1.2 gives the same result	16:45
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shika	please tell me if you need additional information about my setup :)	16:49
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timeless_mbp	jacekowski: arg	16:54
timeless_mbp	so you mean i have to test someone else's server?	16:54
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jacekowski	timeless_mbp: i can change it back if you really want	16:56
timeless_mbp	if you could run it /somewhere/ on that server for me to play w/, that'd be appreciated :)	16:56
timeless_mbp	it doesn't have to be on 5222	16:56
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sivang	timeless_mbp: what server, what test?	16:58
timeless_mbp	misconfigured jabber ssl	16:58
jacekowski	timeless_mbp: port 5333	16:58
timeless_mbp	thanks	16:58
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jacekowski	timeless_mbp: proper cert on 5222 and broken one on 5333	16:58
jacekowski	so what is that script of yours supposed to do	16:59
jacekowski	just tell user that cert is broken?	16:59
jacekowski	or what?	16:59
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timeless_mbp	http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix/opt/maemo/usr/bin/	16:59
timeless_mbp	it should install the cert, and eventually it will modify /etc/hosts	17:00
jacekowski	Internal Server Error	17:00
jacekowski	i think your server is trying to execute it	17:00
timeless_mbp	yeah, don't try to run .pl files :)	17:00
timeless_mbp	http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb	17:00
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jacekowski	so how do i download it	17:00
timeless_mbp	download and extract it using ar+tar	17:00
timeless_mbp	(or dpkg-deb)	17:00
sivang	timeless_mbp: this is also part of the slides? :)	17:01
sivang	*is this	17:01
* timeless_mbp needs to make the slides		17:01
sivang	timeless_mbp: me too :/	17:02
timeless_mbp	the slides parts are going to be pictures of /etc/osso-af-init/	17:02
* sivang is stil busy with dayjob		17:02
* timeless_mbp wonders how to make a picture of a directory		17:02
sivang	timeless_mbp: use an nautilus icon?	17:02
sivang	timeless_mbp: for directory	17:02
sivang	timeless_mbp: I want to sit and meet on sunday sometime before Monday comes.	17:03
sivang	timeless_mbp: about the talk ,etc	17:03
* timeless_mbp nods		17:03
sivang	thanks	17:03
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chem\|st	shika: I have no idea (and currently busy)	17:05
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cmsamour	hello guys, uninstalled the power-kernel and mobilehotspot, and I rebooted	17:08
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cmsamour	My phone keeps rebooting and showing the Nokia Logo screen	17:09
cmsamour	after a while I see a message that says "Malfunctioning Device Shut down in 10s"	17:10
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cmsamour	Any ideas how can I fix this?	17:10
chem\|st	cmsamour: have you tried to remove the battery?	17:11
andax	depends on the malfunction	17:11
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chem\|st	cmsamour: have you tried to flash to stock kernel?	17:12
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cmsamour	chem\|st: yes. I tried that, and the memory card	17:12
DocScrutinizer	funny idea to uninstall a kernel - go figure	17:12
cmsamour	just keeps rebooting	17:12
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: yup ;)	17:13
chem\|st	cmsamour: flashing the kernel too?	17:13
DocScrutinizer	~flash	17:13
infobot	hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	17:13
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cmsamour	chem\|st: will try that	17:13
cmsamour	thanks	17:13
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chem\|st	DocScrutinizer: shouldn't infobot strip naked or something on ~flash?	17:14
DocScrutinizer	she did, you were too busy with kernel to realize	17:15
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DocScrutinizer	~striptease	17:17
infobot	Hoogah Hoogah wah wah takes of the box dances around showing of the cpu and memory Ah yeah you likey my little HD no?	17:17
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_trine	after infobot does the striptease it should do a bit of peeking and poking into a few common ports	17:20
shika	chem\|st: no problem, thanks anyway :)	17:20
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DocScrutinizer	~flashything _trine	17:23
* infobot sets the dial, puts on shades, and makes _trine forget the last hour		17:23
_trine	:)	17:24
timeless_mbp	jacekowski: did you look at the script?	17:24
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jacekowski	not really	17:26
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DocScrutinizer	I have to say I'm not really happy with the way uBoot is packed with a kernel to one monolithic blob	17:33
DocScrutinizer	probably it'd be tough to get uBoot into any other partition than kernel, or rather it'd be hard to tell NOLO to chainload it from there	17:34
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DocScrutinizer	but really, if uBoot came with a preinstall script to build that blob locally, from uBoot image plus whatver kernel is already in use, then flash that instead of a fixed kernel version riveted to uBoot...	17:36
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DocScrutinizer	of course patching NOLO to chainload from another partition/location probably would be even better - if somebody had the brains for that	17:41
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DocScrutinizer	jacekowski: could uBoot get duct-taped to end of NOLO and still fit on mtd partition?	17:43
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jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: partitions can be moved	17:45
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DocScrutinizer	I thought as much. A tad invasive though, no?	17:46
jacekowski	how big is u-boot?	17:46
DocScrutinizer	nfc	17:46
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DocScrutinizer	how big might it get to fit?	17:47
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jacekowski	i have to play with mods to nolo	17:47
jacekowski	and see what happens	17:47
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zap	What is the difference between g_nokia.ko and g_ether.ko?	17:47
jacekowski	zap: 5 letters	17:47
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DocScrutinizer	yeah. I guess patching the absolute load addr for ""kernel"" on NAND isn't hard	17:48
DocScrutinizer	g_nokia doing ass rage?	17:49
DocScrutinizer	and PC-suite shit	17:49
pupnik	US army suicides exceed deaths from enemy fire	17:52
DocScrutinizer	zap: anyway where from you got g_ether?	17:53
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DocScrutinizer	pupnik: has to be a new secret weapon of "enemy" then. Evil! Nuke them!	17:54
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pupnik	DocScrutinizer: do you remember junior high school?	17:55
pupnik	There were kids who were interested in learning about things, and reading.	17:55
DocScrutinizer	never was on a jnior high	17:55
pupnik	And there were kids who were interested in dominating others	17:56
DocScrutinizer	we got no such thing here I guess	17:56
pupnik	This is the culture i saw in USA	17:56
lcuk	pupnik, bullying is a worldwide problem and not related to one type of school	17:56
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DocScrutinizer	lord of flies was the name of the movie	17:57
pupnik	lcuk: i see society as a conflict between the nerdy creators of cool things, and the libido dominande bullys	17:57
pupnik	it is just an expansion of the social dynamic visible in 7th grade	17:58
DocScrutinizer	that's archaic I guess	17:58
pupnik	really?	17:58
pupnik	i saw the kids interested in learning get 'taxed' in the hallways	17:58
DocScrutinizer	as in "evolution inevitably created it like that"	17:58
yacc	lcuk, it's a cultural problem, I've gone through school as a nerd herearound without any bad bulling incidents, ...	17:59
pupnik	nothing organic about forced schooling	17:59
pupnik	the greatest incidence of sexual abuse occurs in environments where people are forced to be together	17:59
* timeless_mbp grumbles		17:59
pupnik	prisons, military, public schoools	17:59
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yacc	lcuk, or let me put it like that. The highschool experience here is clearly not even near to the experiences shown by movies, books, and so on that talk about the US.	17:59
timeless_mbp	the pki guy here showed me that -i and -a behave differently on his device	17:59
timeless_mbp	but on my device, neither work :(	17:59
lcuk	yacc, of course	18:00
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yacc	lcuk: the other kids either ignored me, or "befriended" me to get homework help in math, ...	18:09
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DocScrutinizer51	hey Mr Birkett, how's about liqacceltest learning to reset the chip?	18:10
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lcuk	Mr Reisenweber, reset the chip?	18:11
DocScrutinizer51	yep, it's stuck here. Once again. AIUI it's the chip itself	18:12
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MohammadAG51	use flyn900, then throw the N900 10m into the air, it will reset	18:12
DocScrutinizer51	nope. Tried that, doesn't. Maybe I threw it 11m	18:13
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lcuk	DocScrutinizer51, explain reset	18:13
DocScrutinizer51	good point	18:14
MohammadAG51	lcuk, recalibrating maybe	18:14
DocScrutinizer51	I guess there's some I2C reset cmd	18:14
lcuk	CLOSED: RESOLVED: WORKSFORME	18:14
lcuk	patches welcome then	18:14
lcuk	you already know more than me	18:14
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DocScrutinizer51	duh, was there a patch for that in 1.3?	18:15
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DocScrutinizer	meh, rmmod lis302dl didn't help	18:19
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DocScrutinizer	eeeeek >> Registers marked as reserved must not be changed. The writing to those registers may cause permanent damages to the device.<<	18:35
ShadowJK	What's that from?	18:36
DocScrutinizer	so now you know why it's deprecated to play with i2cset without having a clue what you're doing	18:36
DocScrutinizer	lis302 ds	18:36
ShadowJK	s/deprecated/stupid/	18:37
DocScrutinizer	ok	18:37
SpeedEvil	I guess that that's screwing cal	18:37
DocScrutinizer	and there's no obvious reset bit	18:37
ShadowJK	I'd guess excercising every possible codepath in the device would do the same	18:38
ShadowJK	(unless it blows up first)	18:38
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SpeedEvil	Well - you can set voltages high enough to fry stuff by playing with registers.	18:40
andax	i2cset can permanently kill memory: http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:i2cset#WARNING	18:41
knightstalker	I love N900 for this <3,It allows you to kill it	18:41
ShadowJK	I'm guessing it's its own control regs and working ram mapped to same i2c as documented interface..	18:41
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: yes. it's not THAT simple though	18:42
SpeedEvil	Sure.	18:42
SpeedEvil	Destroy is strong.	18:43
SpeedEvil	The memory is not destroyed.	18:43
SpeedEvil	It may be made unusable.	18:43
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borco	hi	18:45
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andax	SpeedEvil: in the manual, "destroy" is written in capitals. I think it can seriously destroy	18:46
SpeedEvil	It can't.	18:46
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SpeedEvil	It can rewrite the I2C eeprom in order to make it not usable without rewriting which cannot be done in most PCs.	18:46
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andax	well, then it can destroy in some cases	18:48
SpeedEvil	It is not destroyed if it can be repaired.	18:49
andax	and in conclusion, when it cannot be repaired in most PCs, it has destroyed	18:50
SpeedEvil	No, it's not.	18:50
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javispedro	morning gentleman	18:50
SpeedEvil	Morning.	18:51
javispedro	*men.	18:51
javispedro	;P	18:51
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RST38h	moo javispedro	18:53
RST38h	how are things?	18:53
borco_	hi	18:54
javispedro	quite well	18:54
javispedro	"my little project" is going very well, I might have something cool to show soon	18:54
andax	SpeedEvil: Where the heck do you see the relevant difference between "irrepairably unusable" and "destroyed"?	18:54
javispedro	anything new and evil?	18:54
borco_	i've just installed the nokia sdk and tryed to deploy my first app on a n900	18:54
borco_	all went almost ok, but qtcreator wasn't able to install the app	18:55
borco_	is this a known thing?	18:55
SpeedEvil	andax: because it's not irreparably.	18:55
RST38h	javispedro: Well, small things	18:55
SpeedEvil	andax: I can hook it to a USB-I2C adaptor I have a couple of meters from me, and repair it.	18:55
slonopotamus	andax: ipods are irrepairably unusable, though they're not broken.	18:55
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borco_	i've logged into the device via ssh as user 'developer', installed the deb and then all worked fine. is this possible to get this automatically from qtcreator?	18:56
RST38h	javispedro: Have not got time to work on my own projects (Maemo related or not) for what feels like eternity	18:56
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andax	SpeedEvil: Okay, this was explicit enough, at last the penny dropped :)	18:57
Funnyface	hmm, just reflashed to PR 1.3, but my junk is all still there, and the programs are not. is an rm -r /home/user/.* all I need to get it back to out of the box state? ^^	18:58
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javispedro	RST38h: oh, coming to dublin though btw?	18:59
RST38h	javispedro: nope	18:59
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javispedro	ah :(	19:00
slonopotamus	Funnyface: /home/user/MyDocs i think. and never _ever_ run rm with .* on the end :)	19:00
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RST38h	javispedro: no money, no vacation left, very low probability of any big announcements during the conference	19:01
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RST38h	javispedro: would still like to chat with a few people from the community and Nokia, but see above	19:01
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javispedro	RST38h: agreed with the low probably point	19:04
javispedro	in fact at this point it has been pretty much stated	19:04
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RST38h	http://www.klocwork.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Deadlock-frog-versus-snake.jpg	19:07
RST38h	A picture that applies to so many RL situations... =)	19:07
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SpeedEvil	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA - soundtrack to above pic	19:09
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SpeedEvil1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA - soundtrack to above pic	19:10
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pupnik	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ what do you think of my 'happy happy' song - written in 1997 or so	19:11
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kerio	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ0vDAbF7s this one's better	19:16
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timsamoff	Anyone moderators here? If so, could you add the 1800 UTC Maemo Meeting to the room topic? It doesn't seem to want to work for me. :-/	19:20
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MohammadAG	hey timsamoff	19:21
* MohammadAG pings crashanddie / crashanddie_		19:22
timsamoff	Good morning (my time of course).	19:22
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pupnik	Physical Modeling recreates real piano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scEjoWRcR8	19:37
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alterego	That is awesome.	19:38
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pupnik	don't miss this one then alterego - detuned strings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrIpDM-rc0M	19:42
pupnik	that blew me away	19:42
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alterego	I bet that keyboard costs a bomb ..	19:43
pupnik	2300 euro right now	19:43
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alterego	That's a lot more reasonible than I thought :D	19:43
psycho_oreos	MohammadAG, ping	19:43
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pupnik	the same modeling without the customization (boo) is 1300 euro	19:43
alterego	pupnik: so are you porting it to maemo? :P	19:43
pupnik	no but i have my own ideas for music-making workflow i'd like to realize someday	19:44
pupnik	on a portable	19:44
alterego	Cool,	19:44
MohammadAG	pong	19:44
pupnik	it usually works best when someone else codes my ideas	19:45
alterego	I'd like to work on a guitar swiss army knife app, digital tuner + personal amplifier + recorder	19:45
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pupnik	doing that right now, actually	19:45
psycho_oreos	MohammadAG, would you still happen to have the info on window switching? the stuff with alt-tab	19:45
alterego	Doing what?	19:45
pupnik	fun proggies	19:45
alterego	:)	19:45
MohammadAG	yeah, use gconf-tool-2 :)	19:45
psycho_oreos	bleh I know that but I need the full command line..lol	19:46
MohammadAG	:P	19:46
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MohammadAG	gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5 I think	19:47
psycho_oreos	thought I had bookmarked it	19:47
psycho_oreos	thanks	19:47
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slonopotamus	MADNESS	19:48
slonopotamus	A typical piece of GObject class initialization code. The example shows a property file-size being added to some class. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/GObject_example.png	19:48
RST38h	slono:is this LISP?	19:48
RST38h	;)	19:48
slonopotamus	and they really think any sane person will use that?	19:49
alterego	That's C	19:49
psycho_oreos	MohammadAG, yup it works, and that lead to this: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools	19:49
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alterego	tbh, there's some unnecessary parens in there ..	19:50
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slonopotamus	alterego: only one, before g_param_spec	19:51
alterego	slonopotamus: indeed, that is what I Was talking about :P	19:51
MohammadAG	sigh, any workaround for Error opening terminal: xterm	19:51
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MohammadAG	when installing scratchbox	19:51
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alterego	Can't say I've had that error.	19:52
slonopotamus	alterego: and smth around 50LoC to just declare new type :)	19:52
alterego	Do you have xterm installed?	19:52
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alterego	slonopotamus: gobject is a pain, but there is a reason it is how it is.	19:52
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slonopotamus	alterego: there's no excuse for having so much boilerplate code that you have to write and read	19:54
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alterego	They do have generators ..	19:54
alterego	And the boiler plate becomes pretty transparent when you get used to seeing it :P	19:54
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slonopotamus	generators - okay. writing all that by hand - no way	19:55
alterego	Well, that's what generators are for.	19:55
alterego	Or you can use a template, which is what I generally do.	19:55
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alterego	I have templates, then just use search/replace to rename the class etc.	19:56
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MohammadAG	alterego, yes	19:56
MohammadAG	and TERM env variable is set to xterm	19:56
alterego	Interesting,	19:56
MohammadAG	this wasn't present on 10.04	19:56
alterego	this is why I always do manual install ..	19:57
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alterego	Anyhow, dinner time, bbiab	19:58
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MohammadAG	alterego, even manual	19:58
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javispedro	slonopotamus: yes, GObject is madness.	20:00
javispedro	slonopotamus: I've defined around 6 to 7 GObjects in my entire life.	20:00
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javispedro	slonopotamus: takes an entire afternoon doing just one	20:00
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javispedro	so... my suggestion, NEVER, EVER, do it.	20:00
javispedro	use Vala, or gob2, or SOMETHING.	20:00
RST38h	javispedro: Was that done under the influence of a control substance of some kind?	20:01
RST38h	controlled	20:01
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javispedro	RST38h: promises of a better future with OO	20:01
* javispedro cfmradio has 4 gobjects iirc, and the next one I define I will do in blood.		20:02
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RST38h	javispedro: eek	20:04
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* javispedro thinks the only good stuff out of gobject would be signals... if it weren't for the even more ugly marshaller stuff.		20:05
javispedro	gobject should never be used directly	20:05
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KaffeeJunky123	is there already an application to organize ones quicklaunchers in groups?	20:22
Jaffa	KaffeeJunky123: "quick launchers"?	20:25
KaffeeJunky123	Jaffa: aka shourtcuts	20:26
KaffeeJunky123	*shortcuts	20:26
Jaffa	KaffeeJunky123: There's Catorise	20:26
KaffeeJunky123	that's for the application menu only from my understanding	20:26
KaffeeJunky123	I'm asking if there's an application to help arranging the icons on your hildon desktop	20:27
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javispedro	aha, Microsoft patents a "Foot Based Interface"	20:35
Shadikka	foot-in-mouth based interface	20:35
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KaffeeJunky123	javispedro: omg, why do they do such a thing?	20:37
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KaffeeJunky123	to stop the free software comunity from creating foot based interfaces?	20:37
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ShadowJK	oh no	20:37
tank-man	and those dance games used what? your arms?	20:37
ShadowJK	now I can't go to work tonight	20:37
ShadowJK	my car uses a foot based interface	20:37
KaffeeJunky123	ShadowJK: don't joke about this, it's for barrier free interfaces	20:38
KaffeeJunky123	ShadowJK: for people with no hands for example	20:38
lcuk	computer, search please: maemo history archive: barcelona long weekend, set resulting scans of screen layouts for media editing application. stored on wiki I believe	20:38
lcuk	but I can't find a link \@/	20:39
KaffeeJunky123	a patent on such technology in general means that ms can limit who may provide a foot interface	20:39
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lcuk	javispedro, have you any idea - a load of photos of the paper layouts drawn in one of hte sessions	20:40
javispedro	<computer> self-destruction started. access code alpha beta four six tango. 60 seconds until core explosion. have a nice day.	20:40
lcuk	maybe converted into pdf code :P	20:40
javispedro	hm..	20:40
KaffeeJunky123	What part of hildon is managing the position of icons on the desktop, or however those widgets and shortcut buttons are called.	20:40
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KaffeeJunky123	are there apis to position those icons, or is it done by editing some configuration files?	20:41
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javispedro	lcuk: I do not think I have any of it saved on my HDD, so if it's gone from the web ... :(	20:41
lcuk	KaffeeJunky123, configuration files	20:41
lcuk	javispedro, i dont think its gone	20:42
lcuk	i just don't think it was advertised	20:42
KaffeeJunky123	lcuk: where can I find a doc on those config files?	20:42
lcuk	http://www.forum.nokia.com/Design/Design_process/Getting_started/Conceptual_design.xhtml	20:43
javispedro	lcuk: videos are still on youtube, maybe you can get a hint of them in any of the videos?	20:43
javispedro	ah	20:43
lcuk	KaffeeJunky123, err not sure right now	20:44
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lcuk	javispedro, its ok i am getting closer	20:44
KaffeeJunky123	lcuk: well, I'll just read all wikipages on ui stuff then xD	20:45
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javispedro	lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlJ2Ttq231A ?	20:46
lcuk	MohammadAG, you have been rooting around hildon desktop recently, have you noticed where the layouts are stored?	20:46
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lcuk	javispedro, theres a whole bunch of links	20:46
lcuk	i looked over them when they were posted	20:46
* lcuk will find it		20:46
javispedro	aha	20:46
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lcuk	:D	20:47
lcuk	http://wiki.maemo.org/VideoEditor	20:47
javispedro	ah.	20:47
javispedro	I actually never saw that! :)	20:47
MohammadAG	hmm, layouts for what?	20:47
lcuk	now, to post in the meego-dev thread	20:47
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lcuk	about early bird..	20:48
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javispedro	wtf	20:53
javispedro	n900 has recharged itself	20:53
javispedro	xd	20:53
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javispedro	it was low battery beeping minutes ago	20:54
MohammadAG	javispedro, hostmode kernel?	20:54
javispedro	and suddenly bme says 50%	20:54
javispedro	no, stock	20:54
mgedmin	magnetic fields!	20:54
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KaffeeJunky123	javispedro: free energy probably ;)	20:54
javispedro	I totally do not know what happened here.	20:55
javispedro	other that dud battery	20:55
javispedro	s/that/than/	20:55
infobot	javispedro meant: other than dud battery	20:55
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timeless_	help	21:00
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timeless_	how do i run something as another user?	21:01
timeless_	... a specific command	21:01
timeless_	short of using suid user	21:01
psycho_oreos	sudo?	21:01
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timeless_	Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/touch /tmp/xx' as user on Nokia-N900.	21:02
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psycho_oreos	you'll need to use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers file and give user more credentials or maybe login as root via sudo -i and then try that	21:03
* timeless_ settles on echo do_what_i_want \| su - user		21:04
psycho_oreos	hmm may also need gainroot package or use rd mode or install openssh-common and try logging in as root	21:05
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ShadowJK	javispedro, nah the meter is rather useless	21:05
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javispedro	timeless_: su <user> -c "command"	21:06
timeless_	javispedro: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb	21:06
javispedro	ShadowJK: well, first time I see it go from 0% to 100%	21:06
javispedro	s/100%/50%	21:06
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timeless_	javispedro: see Sorry above	21:06
timeless_	javispedro: oh, no	21:07
javispedro	you have to be root	21:07
timeless_	sudo: illlegal option '-c'	21:07
javispedro	ah, messybox :(	21:07
timeless_	Usage: su [OPTION]... [-] [username]	21:07
timeless_	so yeah, forget what you know about stuff	21:07
timeless_	anyway, install deb above	21:07
javispedro	timeless_: what's that pkg btw? forces jabber certificate checking?	21:07
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timeless_	and try (as root) running perl /usr/sbin/jabber-cert-convert.pl	21:08
timeless_	it isn't done yet	21:08
timeless_	but yeah, basically	21:08
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timeless_	when it's done, it'll install the cert(s), set up /etc/hosts properly, and fix accounts so that they use the "proper" (broken) hostnames	21:08
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javispedro	I see what you did there.	21:09
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jvesiluoma	yay, managed to compile gstmjpg, now to test it...	21:10
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javispedro	# su user -c "/usr/bin/cmcli -p"	21:11
javispedro	/usr/bin/cmcli: option requires an argument -- p	21:11
javispedro	timeless_ ^^	21:11
javispedro	(note: bad argument is intentional)	21:12
javispedro	I do no want to mess with certs just yet	21:12
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javispedro	but su user -c seems to work in messybox	21:12
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javispedro	despite its own builtin help.	21:12
timeless_	of course!	21:12
timeless_	why didn't i divine that from it's help? oh ..	21:12
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* javispedro didn't use to call busybox "messybox" until few months ago. by now I think it really deserves the name.		21:15
javispedro	gimme GNU!!	21:15
timeless_	bsd userland, please :)	21:15
DocScrutinizer	hehe, and I named it like that	21:16
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javispedro	DocScrutinizer: yes, I copied you =)	21:16
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timeless_	fwiw, i'm starting to agree	21:17
pupnik	getting old is needing to increase your terminal from 7 to 8 point font	21:17
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DocScrutinizer	not on N900?	21:18
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DocScrutinizer	I need at very least 10PT	21:18
GAN900	Wee, the netbook fits in my camera bag.	21:19
GAN900	That simplifies things.	21:19
WakiMiko	im trying to install wifieye but i get: unmet dependencies: depends python2.5-qt4-core but it is not going to be installed	21:19
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tekojo	GAN900: travel packing?	21:19
WakiMiko	why isnt it installing the dependencies?	21:19
GAN900	tekojo, indeed.	21:19
Shapeshifter	WakiMiko: probably, 2.5-qt4-core isn't in the repo anymore	21:20
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Shapeshifter	mh	21:21
tekojo	GAN900: necessities (money, passport, phone), toiletries and clothes, that's all you need	21:21
Shapeshifter	it is	21:21
Shapeshifter	WakiMiko: what happens if you install it manually?	21:21
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WakiMiko	i just did an apt-get update and now it works	21:21
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javispedro	#if 0 /* Please understand this before removing guard. */	21:21
GAN900	tekojo, well, bringing the camera and the Mini 9, too.	21:21
timeless_	GAN900: don't forget shaver	21:22
* timeless_ forgot that last week		21:22
GAN900	timeless_, indeed not.	21:22
tekojo	timeless_: I consider that a toiletry	21:22
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timeless_	tekojo: it's in a different spot in my apt, but in my case i forgot both :(	21:22
timeless_	(initially i forgot my passport even though I explicitly noted to myself that i needed it)	21:23
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timeless_	in my case, s/phone/phones/ :)	21:23
tekojo	timeless_: ouch, so you went shopping?	21:23
timeless_	tekojo: nah, i grew a bad beard for a week and the hotel gave me a toothbrush w/ toothpaste	21:23
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WakiMiko	crashes when i start it though: runtimeerror: the sip module implements API v8.0 but the PyQt4.Qtcore module requires API 7.1	21:23
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GAN900	I'm probably going to end up forgetting my jacket.	21:23
tekojo	timeless_: you with a beard, that would be a sight	21:24
timeless_	the monday before last was a holiday in France, so shopping wasn't very practical	21:24
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timeless_	tekojo: google for me, there are shots online fairly high iirc	21:24
GAN900	Weather's back up to fall standard.	21:24
timeless_	on the trip before last, i left one of my phones @home :(	21:24
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timeless_	people might consider taking a bike helmet w/ them	21:24
timeless_	i took one to Lyon and it was helpful	21:24
timeless_	Dublin is bike friendly too (traffic sucks)	21:25
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tekojo	timeless_: compared to Helsinki Dublin is bike heaven	21:25
GAN900	Renting a bike?	21:26
tekojo	not as good as Amsterdam, but anyway	21:26
tekojo	GAN900: not this time, but visited there a couple of times	21:26
timeless_	GAN900: Lyon was a 150EUR deposit	21:26
timeless_	pick up at any site, drop off at any site	21:26
timeless_	first 30mins free	21:26
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timeless_	for 7 days	21:26
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mgedmin	what's happening with maemo fbreader?	21:27
GAN900	Dunno that I'll be doing any non-group tourism.	21:27
mgedmin	there are frequent releases to extras-devel (I presume), where can I see changelogs?	21:27
GAN900	mgedmin, new maintainer not shipping RST38h's patches?	21:27
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mgedmin	http://fbreader.org/ has FBReader 0.12.10 is released (April 2, 2010) as the latest new entry	21:28
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mgedmin	so this new development and maemo5ication is unofficial work then?	21:28
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mgedmin	I'd like to register a complaint about segfaults on exit then	21:28
jacekowski	mgedmin: in changelog	21:29
jacekowski	mgedmin: you're just being fussy	21:29
mgedmin	I'm trying to be curious	21:29
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DocScrutinizer	moin	21:32
mgedmin	suppose I find http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/fbreader/0.12.10-15/	21:32
mgedmin	how can I find the _source_ package for that version?	21:32
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marmoute_	mgedmin: upstream ?	21:32
mgedmin	bzzt wrong	21:32
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johnsq	Hi	21:33
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* Noobmonk3y squeals		21:34
javispedro	mgedmin: you shoul'd be able to from there	21:34
javispedro	funnly enough, link is not there.	21:35
javispedro	magic.	21:35
mgedmin	http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/f/fbreader/ has nothing with version number 0.12.10	21:35
mgedmin	did someone upload a binary-only package?	21:36
mgedmin	am I looking in the wrong place?	21:36
javispedro	mgedmin: it was uploaded by this guy	21:36
javispedro	http://maemo.org/profile/view/rob1n/	21:36
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javispedro	so, grab your pitchfork.	21:36
javispedro	and pay him a visit.	21:36
RST38h	http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/aaxa-busts-out-its-bright-little-xga-m2-projector/	21:36
RST38h	this plus N900...	21:36
MohammadAG	apt-get source fbreader=0.12.10?	21:37
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javispedro	mgedmin: also, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/f/fbreader/	21:37
MohammadAG	hmm, nvm	21:37
mgedmin	I _am_ looking in the wrong place	21:37
mgedmin	thanks, javispedro	21:37
mgedmin	http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/f/fbreader/	21:37
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mgedmin	now to download 2.3 MB of tarball just to see a frigging changelog	21:38
javispedro	seemingly autobuilder misbehaved by building it	21:38
javispedro	s/by/while	21:38
* javispedro partially thanks god that uploading stuff to AB is hard		21:39
RST38h	hm	21:39
javispedro	sometimes you see newcomers uploading plain shit	21:39
RST38h	mgedmin: how about using fapman? It shows changelogs, no?	21:39
javispedro	that fortunately fails to build...	21:39
javispedro	otherwise we'd have x86 binary packages on armel repos already	21:40
timeless_mbp	javispedro: so, seem ok?	21:41
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javispedro	timeless_mbp: the package? a bit on the hackish side :)	21:41
javispedro	but should work.	21:41
timeless_mbp	javispedro: the next part is more painful	21:42
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timeless_mbp	i need to figure out how to talk to telepathy	21:42
RST38h	ahhaha	21:42
timeless_mbp	because i need to change its settings	21:42
RST38h	[sorry]	21:42
timeless_mbp	and ... if you have more than one jabber account, i need to use socat	21:42
javispedro	yes, hackish.	21:43
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javispedro	I wonder if telepathy doesn't have some sort of warning signal, as afaiu, the telepathy core "does" SSL cert (i do not know if maemo has that disabled due to certman?)	21:44
javispedro	*cert verification.	21:44
DocScrutinizer	mgedmin: the joy of git haters	21:44
mgedmin	eh?	21:44
KMFDM	i wish someone would fix the pidgin-otr package	21:44
javispedro	mgedmin: btw, what was on the changelog? :D	21:44
mgedmin	what do I have to do with git haters?	21:44
KMFDM	i think im just gonna have to give up waiting on the maintainer to do it and fix it myself when i have some free time	21:45
javispedro	" - New upstream release" ?	21:45
DocScrutinizer	garage in this case I guess	21:45
Robot101	timeless_mbp: socat? eh?	21:45
timeless_mbp	netcat? whatever?	21:45
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Robot101	timeless_mbp: what are you trying to do?	21:45
mgedmin	javispedro, http://pastie.org/1290762	21:45
timeless_mbp	Robot101: whichever	21:45
timeless_mbp	i need to tunnel stuff	21:45
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timeless_mbp	someone gave me instructions last night (?)	21:45
timeless_mbp	i'm busy	21:45
Robot101	is there a problem with SSL in Telepathy itself?	21:46
javispedro	mgedmin: theoretically it does mention RST38h and qwerty12	21:46
javispedro	mgedmin: so I wonder when things went SNAFU?	21:46
mgedmin	did things go SNAFU?	21:46
javispedro	ah wel..	21:46
mgedmin	other than the segfault on exit, I'm mostly happy with the new version	21:47
mgedmin	except now I can't find a way to get "About FBReader"	21:47
mgedmin	and I can't find a way to figure out the filename of the current book from vimscript	21:47
mgedmin	state.xml no longer has it :(	21:47
javispedro	Robot101: UI doesn't warn of invalid SSL cert	21:47
mgedmin	I'm afraid the info is in state.db	21:47
RST38h	vimscript. eek.	21:47
mgedmin	the table structure in state.db and books.db scares me	21:47
Robot101	eh, it surely does - we have an error code for it	21:47
* mgedmin had a nice macro to edit the current book		21:48
Robot101	there were lots of people running around screaming about it for the N800	21:48
Robot101	we added the SSL errors to connection failure cases	21:48
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javispedro	Robot101: sorry, real explanation is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-11-11.log.html#t2010-11-11T01:52:35	21:50
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Robot101	is the URL to the script missing?	21:53
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javispedro	Robot101: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb	21:54
Noobmonk3y	meh back in here	21:54
Noobmonk3y	anyway, qt packaging for maemo.........	21:54
Noobmonk3y	is this the easiest way? http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_Qt_Creator_Apps_for_Maemo_Extras	21:55
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pronto	wait, updating the device removed all my applications?	21:58
Noobmonk3y	yup, and then you just restore the backup you created before updating :)	21:59
javispedro	with flasher or nokia software upgrade? it not only removed all your applications, but also some or all of your data, depending on whether you reflashed the emmc or not.	21:59
Noobmonk3y	it then dloads all your apps @_	21:59
Noobmonk3y	:)	21:59
pronto	i did a back up, restored it, and it didnt give me my applcations back :/	22:00
pronto	i used that ovi suiete thing	22:00
* Noobmonk3y looks at qt packaging guides.... and thinks, why the buggery is this so hard?!?!?!		22:00
RST38h	Noobmonkey:Because to make it simpler you should avoid using qmake	22:00
RST38h	And use makefiles directly	22:01
javispedro	wth	22:01
javispedro	is that wiki page suggesting commenting out the call to dh_strip?	22:01
* javispedro hopes theres a sane reason for that...		22:01
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jacekowski	timeless_xchat: have you thought about setting your own jabber server?	22:01
jacekowski	timeless_xchat: to test this stuff	22:02
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Noobmonk3y	"The current Qt Creator version does not generate an application icon or application desktop file for a Qt for Maemo application by default, you have to define them manually. The complete build support is expected for the upcoming Qt Creator v2.1 that will be used in the Nokia Qt SDK in the near future. "	22:02
RST38h	javispedro: "Some qt library code needs the symbolic information for some esotheric reason"?	22:02
Noobmonk3y	meh	22:02
javispedro	RST38h: that would INsane reason.	22:02
lcuk	Noobmonk3y, look at existing qt application	22:02
Noobmonk3y	:\|	22:02
lcuk	there are many and you should be able to just open one	22:02
lcuk	replace bits	22:02
lcuk	done?	22:02
Noobmonk3y	http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/CS001641_-_Showing_Qt_for_Maemo_applications_built_with_the_Nokia_Qt_SDK_in_the_application_menu this looks easier	22:02
Noobmonk3y	but probably doesnt mean packaging	22:03
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* Noobmonk3y thinks a nice vb app to package would be nice, or atleast collate it all ;)		22:03
javispedro	vb! an awk script!	22:04
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lcuk	AREXX	22:05
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Noobmonk3y	;)	22:05
Noobmonk3y	anything to simply the "no-need" linux toughness.......	22:06
Noobmonk3y	i agree making it hard meanss the geeks are happy, but meh	22:06
RST38h	it is not hard	22:06
javispedro	Noobmonk3y: it is mostly boilerplate. not hard, but tedious.	22:06
* Noobmonk3y reminisces of the same aqnnoyancy at pyqt packaging		22:06
RST38h	You have to learn it, then it becomes easy	22:06
Noobmonk3y	javispedro: meh good point	22:06
Noobmonk3y	and i'm simple, so file structures explained etc....	22:07
Noobmonk3y	most of the guides are never ending lists, hard to confirm you have done it right	22:07
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Noobmonk3y	meh	22:08
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javispedro	btw, I can still get to the council parts of the site, I still have the council cloak..	22:10
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* javispedro deduces being a council member must be a hereditary position		22:11
sivang	timeless: here?	22:11
mgedmin	all hail the Benevolent Council Member For Life	22:12
Noobmonk3y	lol	22:12
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yacc	./j #clq	22:14
lcuk	yacc, leaning perl?	22:15
lcuk	learning even ffs	22:15
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yacc	lol, no never type a command into a window before checking that some chars are not already entered, ...	22:16
lcuk	good advice.	22:16
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timeless_mbp	jacekowski: no time	22:17
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timeless_mbp	and it's really a sideshow	22:17
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sivang	timeless_mbp: got my pms?	22:18
sivang	err	22:18
sivang	PMs	22:18
jacekowski	PMS?	22:18
sivang	pms does not sound right	22:18
sivang	jacekowski: yeah :)	22:18
mgedmin	sivang, your secret is safe with us	22:18
timeless_mbp	sivang: you have a gmail account, right?	22:18
timeless_mbp	i'll share the thing through to you	22:18
sivang	mgedmin: hehe	22:18
ioan	hi. after last enhanced linux kernel update, the camera gets "operation failed", anyone knows why or what's the fix?	22:19
cmsamour	ioan same here	22:20
cmsamour	I did the dumbest thing, I uninstalled the power kernel and bricked the phone	22:21
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nox-	cmsamour, bc of meego/uboot dualboot?	22:21
ioan	is there a way to install the power kernel that works (old version)? I have a premonition that today when the camera doesn't work I'll see a UFO.	22:22
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sjk	hehe!	22:23
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cmsamour	I will try to flash the firmware in a sec	22:24
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ioan	ok, I reverted to the original kernel and now the camera works. does anyone know how to install the latest good power kernel?	22:38
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trumee	could telepathy in meego be used in maemo? I am hoping meego will get sip MWI support.	22:39
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Robot101	interestingly... voxcorp didn't release their source	22:40
* Robot101 will mail them		22:40
trumee	Robot101: well i installed vox app, but it doesnt show MWI from my * server	22:40
trumee	Robot101: i think they use freeswitch at vox corp	22:40
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trumee	Robot101: was there any plan of them releasing the source?	22:41
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cmsamour	I flashed the phone and everythin seems to be fine	22:49
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ioan	ok, on this page, which column is month and which is day??	22:49
ioan	http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/	22:49
cmsamour	thanks	22:50
cmsamour	ioan: good luck with the camera problem	22:50
cmsamour	I just reflashed the phone	22:50
cmsamour	bye	22:50
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DocScrutinizer	Robot101: what makes you sure they are obliged to release their source?	22:51
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SpeedEvil	http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-more-in-jail - on risks of localisation	22:52
trumee	DocScrutinizer: nicely worded about mounting on tmo.	22:53
DocScrutinizer	depending on particular implementation, the MWI bit could be completely unrelated to any GPL'd code, and just coexist with telepathy	22:53
Noobmonk3y	meh meh	22:54
trumee	DocScrutinizer: i was a bit disappointed that vox-mobile is not picking up the MWI message from *. Will check with the dev.	22:54
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trumee	DocScrutinizer: is that a SIP Notify message, http://www.pastie.org/1290937 ?	22:56
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timeless_mbp	anyone here have a 770 handy?	22:58
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DocScrutinizer	trumee: hmm, looks like a 400 error response to a INFO mwi	23:00
trumee	DocScrutinizer: right	23:01
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GAN900	timeless_mbp, why would anybody need that?	23:03
timeless_mbp	well, i'm trying to get pictures for a bug report	23:03
timeless_mbp	well	23:03
timeless_mbp	not a bug report	23:03
timeless_mbp	for slides	23:03
timeless_mbp	based on a bug report	23:03
GAN900	Hmm, got one running OS2008.	23:05
Arkenoi	timeless, i do	23:06
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timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: cool	23:06
timeless_mbp	one sec	23:06
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timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: ...	23:11
timeless_mbp	1. tap people	23:11
timeless_mbp	2. View Contacts	23:11
timeless_mbp	3. application menu > tools > export	23:11
timeless_mbp	i need a picture of the dialog you get at this point	23:11
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Arkenoi	is it ok it runs os2007?	23:12
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Arkenoi	(and how do i take screenshot in os2007, i never did?)	23:14
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timeless_mbp	no	23:16
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timeless_mbp	it needs to run 2006 :(	23:16
timeless_mbp	the bug was fixed by 2007	23:16
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timeless_mbp	osso-screenshot-tool	23:17
timeless_mbp	anyone from nokia around? i need help :(	23:18
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jacekowski	what have you broken?	23:21
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timeless_mbp	i've lost a database	23:22
timeless_mbp	everyone hated it	23:22
timeless_mbp	but i need it :)	23:22
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javispedro	help! my tracker has gone crazy.	23:27
KMFDM	found an otr workaround for anyone else having issues with that	23:27
KMFDM	http://sebastianbartsch.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=98#p2725	23:27
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javispedro	it is trying to index my workstation via NFS =)	23:27
javispedro	I'm quite sure I put /mnt in exclusions...	23:27
SpeedEvil	javispedro: :)	23:27
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* javispedro 's idea lightbulb light		23:28
javispedro	s	23:28
javispedro	so	23:28
javispedro	why I'm sure that despite /mnt being in exclusions list	23:28
ioan	how can I specify the version of the kernel-power I want to install?	23:29
javispedro	since tracker crawls new mount points by default	23:29
javispedro	/mnt/stuff gets crawled despite of /mnt being in exclusions	23:29
javispedro	I'd need to add /mnt/stuff to exclusion list	23:29
javispedro	crazy, crazy.	23:29
alterego	Does the exclusion list not handle wildcards?	23:30
DocScrutinizer	haha tracker	23:30
javispedro	alterego: no idea.	23:30
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MohammadAG	X-Fade, ping	23:30
MohammadAG	hmm, no	23:31
alterego	What's the command that lets you setup a file as a device for mounting?	23:31
* MohammadAG checks before making an idiot of himself		23:31
MohammadAG	alterego, hmm?	23:31
javispedro	alterego: losetup	23:31
MohammadAG	mount -o loop?	23:31
alterego	Kind of like loopback mount, but my image is a whole drive, not a single filesystem/partition	23:32
MohammadAG	oh, nevermind	23:32
javispedro	alterego: kpartx	23:32
alterego	javispedro: thanks :)	23:32
alterego	kpartx that was it :D	23:32
yacc	DocScrutinizer, pupnik: Any idea which of the three contacts on the BL-5J pack are + and - poles?	23:33
DocScrutinizer	isn't it written plain text on the battery?Ü`	23:33
* DocScrutinizer zips out a bl-5j		23:34
DocScrutinizer	(+) (-) O	23:34
DocScrutinizer	O == BSI	23:34
DocScrutinizer	+ == plus, obviously :-P	23:35
DocScrutinizer	need more info?	23:36
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MohammadAG	the poles are also marked on the top side :)	23:37
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DocScrutinizer	not here (if top side != front side)	23:38
VladNistor	just so y'all know, flasher doesn't seem to work with Linux unknown-device 2.6.36-2-generic-pae #7-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 21 22:15:17 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux on Ubuntu, it has some sort of kernel error. works fin with 2.6.36-1-generic-pae though	23:39
cehteh	btw how much mA can the device provide in hostmode? is there an limiter or fuse? ...	23:39
DocScrutinizer	200	23:39
DocScrutinizer	limited	23:39
* javispedro ponders		23:40
javispedro	hum	23:40
javispedro	why is shm support disabled in the n900's pulseaudio?	23:40
DocScrutinizer	>200 bq24150 throws error and stops boost mode	23:40
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timeless_mbp	ok, i need people to help me w/ my presentation	23:40
javispedro	my computer has it enabled, the pre has it enabled...	23:40
* javispedro goes enable it, what's the worst that could happen		23:41
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DocScrutinizer	defcon 1	23:44
javispedro	world war 3?	23:44
VladNistor	someone said ww3 was supposed to start today or smth	23:46
javispedro	either way, this shm pulseaudio stuff did nothing. i guess that's because the daemon and apps run as different user	23:47
tobis87	You just need to monitor these freq. http://www.milaircomms.com/ghfs.html . If there is much activity, something is happening and UVB-76 of course.	23:47
timeless_mbp	hrm	23:49
timeless_mbp	so...	23:50
timeless_mbp	how do i find an old image?	23:50
javispedro	an old what?	23:50
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yacc	DocScrutinizer, right it's on the battery front side, sorry for the bother.	23:53
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DocScrutinizer	np	23:54
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VladNistor	I just flashed my device and it doesn't boot up. it shows the nokia logo, then the sceen light goes off, then it comes back on, I see the dots, but then I get like an error sound and it turns off... any suggestions	23:59

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