| Jaco2k | how smooth this thing is when it empty... *sigh* | 00:00 |
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| hawaii_ | Nokia/Ovi Maps stomps all over anything any other provider...provides to end users. | 00:00 |
| javispedro | not to mention that google gets to know everywhere you go... | 00:00 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:00 |
| rokr1_ | use trekbuddy | 00:00 |
| javispedro | (supl.nokia.com is our local version of that, but at least _seems_ you can disable it) | 00:00 |
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| rokr1_ | with offline google maps | 00:01 |
| Jaco2k | now to install applications and actually make it slower again, as it is supposed to be! :) | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: uh... more like when i am in a big city, and want to find something quick, i don't want to sit 30s waiting for the maps to load | 00:01 |
| ieatlint | and then have an completely inadequate and oft-outdated business database | 00:01 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: the sdk is pretty hairy. I first just installed gcc on device instead, but you run out of diskspace on / in about 5 seconds.. then I juts started using the vmware/qemu images that contain ubuntu+preinstalled sdk, easyish enough to get to a compiler that way | 00:01 |
| rokr1_ | GTG got the images | 00:01 |
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| rokr1_ | abt to update the firmware | 00:02 |
| rokr1_ | bye and TC | 00:02 |
| sjk | What about commercial apps? I have a Navigator application for the iPhone that I can use in my car. Are there such apps on maemo? | 00:02 |
| Jaco2k | pfffffff :D:D:D:D | 00:02 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: THEN, you use online maps... which, guess what.. YOU CAN. | 00:02 |
| BCMM | sjk: i don't know what that app does | 00:02 |
| javispedro | (even with ovi) | 00:02 |
| Jaco2k | After this update I got the PC Suite service layer going crazy :D | 00:02 |
| BCMM | sjk: is it a satnav sort of thing? | 00:02 |
| sjk | BCMM, GPS application, you know like a regular car gps device but on the phone | 00:02 |
| sjk | BCMM, yeah, exactly | 00:02 |
| BCMM | sjk: yeah, there are several of those | 00:03 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: yeah, but if you think any of the (free) map solutions on the n900 are easy, fast and accurate... you're kidding yourself | 00:03 |
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| ShadowJK | sjk: There's Sygic Maps for N900. It's slightly buggy, crashes for me once every 200km :) | 00:03 |
| sjk | You enter an adress and it gives you directions | 00:03 |
| BCMM | sjk: mappero even does voice | 00:03 |
| BCMM | (for free) | 00:03 |
| sjk | BCMM, but you'd have to purchase the maps somewhere, right? | 00:03 |
| Jaco2k | Sygic 9.0 works fine | 00:03 |
| ShadowJK | costs like 70 or 80Eiirc.. | 00:03 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: I do not think so. Ovi is useless (it's also not fully offline capable), and I've not tried sygic | 00:03 |
| BCMM | sjk: google doesn't charge :) | 00:03 |
| Jaco2k | it seems Sygic 10.0 is more buggy | 00:03 |
| BCMM | sjk: maperro gets routes and maps from google (yes, it requires a 'net connection) | 00:04 |
| sjk | ShadowJK, interesting :) | 00:04 |
| sjk | BCMM, *nod* | 00:04 |
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| njsf1 | BCMM: I can't get Mappero to do voice. yes I do have espeak installed and did configure it to use it, still no luck any suggestions ? | 00:04 |
| hawaii_ | Sygic 9 is stable. 10 is horrid. | 00:04 |
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| BCMM | sjk: actually, it offers a choice of google, google satellite or openstreetmap | 00:04 |
| sjk | Can I deploy my application on the maemo without having to upload it to some app storage site? | 00:04 |
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| sjk | BCMM, ah | 00:04 |
| ShadowJK | Ovi Maps on N900 is kinda crippled. It gives you directions as text, draws a red line to follow, and shows a red dot where you are. No Voice, and if you deviate from the red path it doesn't automatically recalculate route | 00:04 |
| BCMM | sjk: yes | 00:04 |
| Jaco2k | quite smooth so far... | 00:05 |
| Jaco2k | restored backup | 00:05 |
| BCMM | njsf1: i'm using more recent versions of maperro from extras-devel, my advice is wait | 00:05 |
| Jaco2k | re-installing apps now | 00:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | wo0000ooop 85%! | 00:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | go updater go! | 00:05 |
| BCMM | sjk: it's a regular linux machine | 00:05 |
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| njsf1 | BCMM: So am I, though haven't tried in 3 weeks, but have not seen update more recent than that either | 00:05 |
| BCMM | sjk: no signing or DRM | 00:05 |
| Jaco2k | Noobmonk3y: Are you updating over dial-up or what?? :) | 00:06 |
| BCMM | njsf1: it uses recordings, not speech synth | 00:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | 10mbps wifi lol | 00:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | downloaded in seconds | 00:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | updating in years! | 00:06 |
| BCMM | sjk: you can even write stuff in python on the phone, then just run it | 00:06 |
| Jaco2k | oho... did they revamp the app manager? | 00:06 |
| javispedro | no.. | 00:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | Jaco2k: what, it actually loads before you've made a cup of tea now? | 00:07 |
| Jaco2k | well, right now there are no apps installed | 00:07 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: you can download the kernel sources, modify, compile your own into a deb package, and install it on your n900 and watch it flash itself with your modified kernel (and then if you fucked it up you get to fire up thne fkashing tool on your pc) | 00:07 |
| Jaco2k | but I meant the UI | 00:07 |
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| BCMM | sjk: or you can manually install binaries if you really want | 00:07 |
| Jaco2k | some subtle change to the fonts and graphics | 00:07 |
| sjk | Interesting! | 00:07 |
| sjk | This sounds real good. | 00:08 |
| BCMM | sjk: more sensibly, you can package your application in a .deb and install that | 00:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | Jaco2k: not reinstalled another theme you had before yet? :p | 00:08 |
| Jaco2k | it restored it | 00:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooo 95% | 00:08 |
| Jaco2k | but I use a default theme | 00:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | omg its almost done! | 00:08 |
| sjk | Some people are saying that the iPhone is "like a BSD machine", but that is so not true. Sure, it may be based on BSD, but it's all locked down | 00:08 |
| BCMM | sjk: i've been playing around with mine to learn some Qt, and i've tested stuff by just copying the binary over SSH and running it | 00:08 |
| Jaco2k | ok, I am off to the couch to reinstall all the apps | 00:08 |
| sjk | And I don't like cracking things breaking aups etc | 00:08 |
| Jaco2k | l8r all and good luck | 00:08 |
| sjk | BCMM, that is cool | 00:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | 98% yay! | 00:09 |
| Jaco2k | Ah :D | 00:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: its woken up and almost working! | 00:09 |
| Jaco2k | I know why it was looking different now :D | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | almost? | 00:09 |
| Jaco2k | I had Droid fonts installed :D | 00:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | 98%! | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, btw, QTextBrowser works now | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | thanks to alterego | 00:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | now? | 00:09 |
| Jaco2k | it is reinstalling them now | 00:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | wtf 2 hours?! | 00:09 |
| BCMM | sjk: yeah, it's great to able to root your device with a single command, and without voiding anything :) | 00:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | ie with an ssu patch update | 00:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | ? | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, no, just rearranged and changed how the code worked | 00:10 |
| sjk | So what are the downsides of the N900/Maemo? | 00:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | w000r installed - time to go re-install all! | 00:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | instead of styleSheets, it uses QPainter | 00:10 |
| alterego | Interesting, I don't think I got the my nokia thing this time round. | 00:10 |
| alterego | Oh wait, there's a flag file in emmc isn't there | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -r cherry, muhahaha | 00:10 |
| BCMM | sjk: it really is just a proper debian-based distro - some bits are slightly unusual, like the partition scheme, but mostly it's totally standard | 00:10 |
| sjk | Would there be any reasons to keep the iPhone instead? | 00:10 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: once you've fired up openoffice.org on your N900, answering calls can be pretty sluggish ;) | 00:10 |
| BCMM | sjk: you can log in as root, it has a normal X server, etc. | 00:10 |
| BCMM | sjk: depends what you want | 00:11 |
| alterego | sjk: paper weight? :P | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | not being an asshole but, doesn't the iPhone have root? | 00:11 |
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| Noobmonk3y | sjk: you can run android, easydebian, and hopefully soon to be meego on it (Ish) | 00:11 |
| Jaco2k | it is a Debian distro, pretty much | 00:11 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: yeah, but it voids the warrenty | 00:11 |
| sjk | MohammadAG, yes, but you have to crack it ("jailbreak") | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | right | 00:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | warranty shmarranty | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, debian and ubuntu | 00:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | if you understand root, do you need a warranty? | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | didn't someone get gentoo working too? | 00:11 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: and they keep trying to find ways to stop it | 00:11 |
| alterego | MeeGo is mving a lot more rapid than nitdroid :P | 00:11 |
| andyph666 | is there a way to find out what version im running? cant seem to find the update anymore on fap | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: common complaints from iphone users is that scrolling isn't smooth, no vsync refresh, and no pinch to zoom | 00:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: dont forget dos, windows 3.11,95 and nt | 00:12 |
| alterego | And MeeGo is much coole.r | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, for obvious reasons, cough*nokia*cough | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, and Mac OS X | 00:12 |
| javispedro | Noobmonk3y: yes | 00:12 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: iirc, the current way to do what you want with the iphone involves opening a PDF that exploits a vunerability in the PDF reader | 00:12 |
| sjk | ShadowJK, oh! I like the pinch to zoom thing in the iPhone. :) | 00:12 |
| javispedro | (re root & warranty) | 00:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG:!!!!!!!!!!! | 00:12 |
| Jaco2k | alterego: I think that, just maybe, the amount of developers for Meego is ever so slightly bigger than for Nitdroid.. .;) | 00:12 |
| BCMM | sjk: yeah, we have no multitouch | 00:12 |
| ShadowJK | iphone does a better job of preventing the user from doing things that consume lots of resources | 00:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | no wonder it took 3 hours! | 00:12 |
| chem|st | BCMM: not in all countries | 00:12 |
| Jaco2k | and they don't need to reverse engineer nothing in Meego ;) | 00:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | its re-installed everything as was!!! (And i didnt touch a thing!) | 00:12 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I see the community putting more effort into the N900 adaptation. | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | BCMM, if what you said is not BS... LOL | 00:12 |
| sjk | BCMM, I use my phone for texting, phoning, web surfing, email, music and SSH | 00:13 |
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| BCMM | ShadowJK: that's a nice way to say that the iphone doesn't multitask | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | in Maemo/N900 you can run as many apps you want in the background, to the point it goes into swap-hell just like a memory-starved desktop pc | 00:13 |
| sjk | If I could I would create applications for my iPhone, but I don't have time nor energy to learn Objective-C | 00:13 |
| BCMM | sjk: an iphone? | 00:13 |
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| sjk | BCMM, yep | 00:13 |
| javispedro | sjk: so, have you used a GUI toolkit? | 00:13 |
| BCMM | sjk: what's the SSH client like? | 00:13 |
| chem|st | BCMM: most EU countries have a technical warranty of 2years and for 6 month no matter what | 00:13 |
| chibi-taiga | hey guys there is an update for my phone but i cant press the install button | 00:14 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: the stuff about the iphone, you mean? | 00:14 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG: tell me where you get your news and i'll start reading it... | 00:17 |
| sjk | ShadowJK, yes. I was using a SSH client earlier where the on-screen keyboard took up too much space, but then I got another client where the keyboard can go semi-transparent | 00:17 |
| MohammadAG | engadget.com/exclude/apple | 00:17 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: Wouldnt that mean no news then? | 00:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 00:17 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: althought there is some schadenfreude in whatching their censorship fail | 00:18 |
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| BCMM | MohammadAG51: last i heard, they restrict applications that use interpreted languages, since having interpreters on the phone would risk users working out how to use them to run their own code | 00:18 |
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| javispedro | BCMM: they do not. they just restrict interpreters to running local code (not remote, not loaded by the user) for that reason | 00:19 |
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| sjk | ShadowJK, mostly just small system utilities. I've made log parsers to use with openbsds packet filter, I've hacked some on the ircd for another irc network, etc. Just mostly small things that very few people use ;) | 00:19 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 00:19 |
| javispedro | BCMM: their methods are evil, but "an interpreter" is such a quite broad thing to be able to just say "excluded" from a set of single-sentence rules. | 00:19 |
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| lcuk | it does 3.5g | 00:22 |
| BCMM | sjk: yes | 00:22 |
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| BCMM | lcuk: when it sahs 3.5G, it means HSDPA, right? | 00:22 |
| BCMM | ^says | 00:23 |
| sjk | Is the framework used (to access gps, internet, etc etc) closed source? | 00:23 |
| BCMM | sjk: which bits do you mean? | 00:23 |
| orospakr | hmm, just did Maemo update. Was that "PR3"? | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | hsdpa+ | 00:23 |
| chx | PR1.3 | 00:23 |
| BCMM | sjk: accessing the 'net is done in the normal linux way | 00:23 |
| BCMM | sjk: i mean, you can open xterm and ping stuff | 00:23 |
| ieatlint | sjk: are you in the us or canada though? | 00:23 |
| BCMM | sjk: i don't know if the cellular modem drivers are open or not | 00:23 |
| Jaco2k | BCMM: They are not | 00:24 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: the GPS is connected to the cellular modem. the cellular modem has its own processor and runs its own software/firmware which is closed | 00:24 |
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| BCMM | sjk: ditto the GPS driver may be propriatary, but it is simple for an open application to get the location | 00:24 |
| sjk | I mean the SDK | 00:24 |
| pyther | I reflashed my n900 and installed call notify and it keeps crashing when I try to set any settings. Does anyone have any idea how to fix this? | 00:24 |
| sjk | ShadowJK, I see | 00:24 |
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| BCMM | sjk: anyway, there is no "framework" for internet access, it's just the regular linux network stack | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | bsd sockets | 00:25 |
| javispedro | in fact | 00:25 |
| javispedro | if you could define maemo 5 | 00:25 |
| javispedro | "there's no framework for anything" | 00:25 |
| BCMM | sjk: for example, there is an xchat port, and i'd be willing to bet that the networking code is entirely unmodified | 00:25 |
| sjk | I'm reading maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf. "Currently C is the only official programming language for maemo". Woohoo! | 00:25 |
| ShadowJK | you can use the extra maemo stuff to ask maemo to establish wlan or 3g connection.. but most of the time the damn thing stays always connected anyway | 00:26 |
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| sjk | BCMM, splendid! | 00:26 |
| BCMM | sjk: who cares what's official? qt and C++ work fine | 00:26 |
| sjk | BCMM, but I only know C. And perl. :) | 00:26 |
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| sjk | So for me it sounds good. :) | 00:26 |
| ieatlint | there is a framework in a sense... it handles the internet connections, including switches between wifi and modem | 00:26 |
| BCMM | sjk: did you say you'd developed on linux before? | 00:27 |
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| ShadowJK | Parts of the GPS stuff is actually open source. I fixed a bug that made my external bluetooth gps receiver not work, and scp'd the new binary onto my phone :) | 00:27 |
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| ieatlint | sjk: you didn't answer my question about if you | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | 're in the us/canada | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | but the low level driver for the internal gps is closed source | 00:27 |
| ieatlint | note that if you are, and have an iphone, your current carrier will not support 3g on the n900 | 00:27 |
| BCMM | ieatlint: eh? | 00:27 |
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| ieatlint | att and rogers use an incompatible set of umts frequencies | 00:28 |
| BCMM | sjk: you could skim http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide for a rough idea of how easy it is to use stuff like the GPS system | 00:28 |
| ShadowJK | I'm guessing he's in scandinavia | 00:28 |
| ieatlint | just good to verify :P | 00:28 |
| prgmrchris | svenne | 00:29 |
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| BCMM | sjk: i particularly like how easy it is to use the accelerometer - you can just read a sysfs file for that | 00:30 |
| alterego | tmo is still hungover I see | 00:30 |
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| sjk | BCMM, yes, I have developed on Linux before, but I have only developed on BSD the last couple of years | 00:30 |
| javispedro | BCMM: i'd not say that's exactly the most easy way | 00:30 |
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| sjk | ieatlint, sorry, I missed your question! I'm not in America :) | 00:30 |
| sjk | (I'm in Sweden) | 00:30 |
| javispedro | BCMM: in fact, having tried nearly every phone platform's way I'd say it's one of the worst (but it works well with the unix way though!) | 00:30 |
| prgmrchris | svensson | 00:30 |
| ieatlint | ok, just checking :) | 00:31 |
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| sjk | prgmrchris, :) | 00:31 |
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| sjk | ieatlint, thanks for the tip, though! | 00:31 |
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| alterego | QtMobility with the sensors API reads accel data nicely :P | 00:32 |
| andyph666 | anyone else not getting the maemo update on hteir phone? | 00:32 |
| javispedro | you'd guess. | 00:32 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: i agree... but it is convenient for some basic scripts | 00:32 |
| sjk | I was travelling in India in 2007 (before the iPhone existed, or at least I hadn't heard of it back then) and I met a fellow who had something that must have been the N900's predecessor | 00:32 |
| sjk | And I remember being real impressed | 00:33 |
| javispedro | "sh scripts" is included in the "unix way" | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | and running fscanf(); rewind(); in a thread isn't that bad... | 00:33 |
| sjk | But I think he said he had to crack it or re-flash it or something in order to get the Debian-ish system | 00:33 |
| BCMM_ | sjk: the n900's predecessor wasn't a phone... | 00:33 |
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| ShadowJK | weren't* :0 | 00:33 |
| ieatlint | but hardcoding the sysfs path feels wrong to me | 00:33 |
| sjk | Ah, you're right, BCMM_! | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | 770, N800, N810 | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | and N810W | 00:34 |
| sjk | But I remember that it looked like the N900 | 00:34 |
| BCMM_ | sjk: it was a device that was pretty much like the n900, other than lower specs and no GSM/3G/GPRS | 00:34 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: I hope rewind() clears the implicit stdio read buffer.... | 00:34 |
| orospakr | neat. Now to figure out how to do the MeeGo dual boot. :) | 00:34 |
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| ieatlint | it's worked in my experience, but if you want to fflush... | 00:35 |
| sjk | Hm. I wonder if it's common that people get their phones hijacked | 00:35 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: the equivalent fseek(fd, 0, SEEK_SET) doesn't clear the buffer. | 00:35 |
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| sjk | I mean, it would be fairly easy to write programs that would fit well in an american cia/fbi/whatever spy movie | 00:36 |
| ieatlint | ok, so fflush the stream | 00:36 |
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| sjk | BCMM_, oups, I didn't see your wiki link till now. Thanks! *looking* | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | iirc I did open,read,close in a loop | 00:37 |
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| javispedro | ShadowJK: that of course works | 00:37 |
| ShadowJK | with a 1/400s sleep | 00:37 |
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| andyph666 | does the maemo forums work for you guys? | 00:38 |
| pyther | andyph666: no, I think they are down | 00:38 |
| pyther | how can I updated the sdk? | 00:38 |
| andyph666 | ah thx | 00:39 |
| crashanddie | sjk: there is a movie where they used a ROT13 version of the Linux kernel (v1) when showing some "hacker tools" | 00:39 |
| ieatlint | ShadowJK: as i understand it, that would end up mallocing and freeing a lot, which is a bigger system drain, especially if you're actually doing 400hz :P | 00:40 |
| ShadowJK | ieatlint, it's still only 400/s, not 4 million per second like mozilla | 00:41 |
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| ieatlint | i'm wondering where the buffering occurs, and if using open() with a no buffering flag, and then fdopen() will work without needing to flush a buffer | 00:41 |
| ShadowJK | N900 is fast enough to do it in shell script | 00:41 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: glibc has functions to disable input buffering | 00:41 |
| javispedro | setvbuf -- that's what I used in preenv 0.1 | 00:42 |
| ieatlint | ah... cool | 00:42 |
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| ieatlint | didn't know that, and it's c89 so very good to know | 00:42 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: ping | 00:43 |
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| sjk | crashanddie, haha! I was thinking like, it'd be easy to create a daemon that polls the GPS device for the phones position and libcurl posts it somewhere | 00:47 |
| crashanddie | you really don't need to do that | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | first, it'll drain the battery | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: about 20 lines in python i think | 00:48 |
| crashanddie | second, there's a "save me" app, or whatever it's called | 00:48 |
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| crashanddie | so you can actually get the phone location, + pictures if it's stolen | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | ... and the skype thing already puts yourr location in your statusline if you want.. | 00:48 |
| sjk | Yikes! | 00:48 |
| javispedro | .... and javascript from the browser has access to your position if you install the geolocation plugin ... | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie: oh so that's what it does :) | 00:49 |
| ShadowJK | Oh yeah, you can click that thingy on maps.google.com and it goes to where you actually are | 00:49 |
| sjk | Oh, is there a Skype app? The Skype app for iPhone was recently "unlocked" so that it can be used on 3G. Earlier it could only be used while being connected to to a wlan | 00:49 |
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| crashanddie | well, it can also help you check if your gf cheats on you or not | 00:49 |
| ieatlint | sjk: built in support for skype | 00:50 |
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| crashanddie | sjk: skype is heavily integrated in the UI | 00:50 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: well it's not an "app!, it's integrated | 00:50 |
| ieatlint | no usage restrictions by the phone | 00:50 |
| ieatlint | including video calls :P | 00:50 |
| sjk | Neato! | 00:50 |
| sjk | What about battery life? | 00:50 |
| ieatlint | crappy | 00:50 |
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| ShadowJK | with skype on 3g? Yeah don't do that if you're going to be away from power outlet for more than 12 hours :) | 00:51 |
| ieatlint | my average us gives me 10-12 hours | 00:51 |
| ieatlint | use | 00:51 |
| javispedro | around 3h for continuos cpu+3d usage | 00:51 |
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| ieatlint | but i tend to be near a computer with a usb port to steal power from | 00:51 |
| ShadowJK | When I traveled in Germany I had killed all internet access, skype, irc and everything, and battery lasted about 4 days.. but it was ni fun ysung it just as "phone" | 00:52 |
| javispedro | around 2-3 days for idle usage with wifi on | 00:52 |
| ieatlint | that said i carry spare battery in my jacket, and every few weeks i end up needing it | 00:52 |
| GAN900 | Holy shit this phone is useless for calling the police. | 00:52 |
| sjk | ShadowJK, ah, interesting | 00:52 |
| GAN900 | Try to dial 911 and it asks me GTalk or Cellular. . . . | 00:52 |
| ieatlint | GAN900: lol | 00:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:53 |
| orospakr | GAN900, yeah, I don't care for Maemo's phone interface much. | 00:53 |
| javispedro | GAN900: that's a feature! | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, 3 days with WiFi a nd IRC | 00:53 |
| orospakr | Just getting to the dialpad is a bit of a journey depending on where you left the phone's state. | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | gan900: what if you try 112? :) | 00:53 |
| GAN900 | Good think the guy bought my fake conversation with the operator. | 00:53 |
| alterego | Yeah, what if you don't have cell coverage? | 00:53 |
| ieatlint | orospakr: press power button in any state where the screen is on, then press the "phone" button | 00:54 |
| ieatlint | if needed, then press dialpad button | 00:54 |
| ieatlint | not that bad | 00:54 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: skype being p2p doesn't help. 3g is a battery killer in the sense that a single packet of data can keep the radio transmitter going at full tilty for 5 seconds.. very active IRC channels are also able to drain battery good | 00:54 |
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| GAN900 | orospakr, went to desktop, Fn-911 | 00:54 |
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| ShadowJK | so I usually myself switch to edge/2g with the 3g modeswitch applet, and then go to 3g when I need lots of fast data | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | like torrents or whatever | 00:55 |
| GAN900 | Also: shortcutd long-press on the camera button. | 00:55 |
| sjk | ShadowJK, ahh | 00:55 |
| GAN900 | Doesn't work when you're filming somebody threatening you, though. | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | (no ive actually never downloaded torrents on N900, but "there's an app for thatg") | 00:55 |
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| sjk | The only negative thing about the N900 is that it's thicker than the iPhone. It would bulge in my pocket. ;) | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | Just tell anyone who asks that you're just delighted to see them | 00:58 |
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| sjk | ShadowJK, heehe | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | I used the mugen 2400 mah battery, it doubles thickness.. | 00:58 |
| sjk | How do you zoom on the N900? | 00:59 |
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| sjk | (I'd pinch the iphone) | 00:59 |
| dolp | double tap | 00:59 |
| bdogg64 | clockwise circle, double tap | 00:59 |
| dolp | use volume controls | 00:59 |
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| javispedro | sjk: depends on the application, what do you think this is, some kind of integrated platform? | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | rofl | 01:00 |
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| ShadowJK | browser has all 3 methods | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: (can just read a sysfs file for that) forget it, you don't want to do that for anything except user triggered gesture recognition etc, like e.g N900fly. It's a batery killer otherwise, and the recommended way to handle accels is completely different - it's exploiting hw thresholds and filters and IRQ | 01:01 |
| ShadowJK | double-tab, twirl, hardware +/- buttons | 01:01 |
| javispedro | the rest of applications, well.. | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | image gallery only works with hw buttons | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | these kinda of details is what people mean by "unpolished" | 01:02 |
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| sjk | Looking at silly comp. tests on youtube now. Seems the iPhone wins when doing the key scratch test ;) | 01:03 |
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| javispedro | this thing well self-scratch just by giving it a steady look | 01:04 |
| nidO | iphone4 will do, obviously | 01:04 |
| nidO | gorilla glass > standard capacitive glass > resistive plastic | 01:04 |
| nidO | iphone's at the left, n900's at the right | 01:04 |
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| * javispedro is old enough to remember the days where palm advertised plastic as the better thing because it broke less | 01:05 | |
| nidO | shatters less, but scratches more :> | 01:05 |
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| javispedro | also, isn't the n97 resistive? | 01:06 |
| access | I'm quite happy with the "cheap" plastic on the N900's display. I've seen enough shattered iphone screens lately >_< | 01:06 |
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| ShadowJK | if scratchproof glass exists id want to replace my car windshield | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody got a pointer to source &/| name of function() to request and receive a kevent? | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. content of some /sys/* file changed | 01:08 |
| guille_ | Would it be inotify? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui inotify isn't exactly what I need for that | 01:09 |
| javispedro | this is the kind of question that triggers my "you shoult state your end goal" warning | 01:09 |
| javispedro | (even though I will probably know nothing about it either way) | 01:09 |
| GAN900 | nidO, yeah, except do you ever see an iPhone user carrying without a case? :P | 01:10 |
| * GAN900 has seen two shattered iPhone 4s today. | 01:10 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | end goal: don't poll a /sys/*/switchBLA/state file - instead wait for a kevent to wake my process whenever the switch is pushed | 01:10 |
| nidO | not really, but i know a couple of zune hd users who do | 01:10 |
| nidO | and their devices look like they were just unboxed | 01:10 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: it exists.... but you dont want to pay for it... | 01:10 |
| nidO | highly scratch resistant glass != shatterproof glass when it's fitted to a frame that tensions it far too much | 01:11 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the "official" protocol for k -> user space events isn't "netlink"? | 01:11 |
| toresbe | Is there a way to enable RD mode without the USB cable? | 01:11 |
| toresbe | Or at least disable the farging watchdogs? | 01:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: dunno, but I'd dare to say no. It's something next to uevent | 01:12 |
| chem|st | toresbe: bootcycling? | 01:12 |
| toresbe | chem|st: hmm? | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | toresbe: no | 01:13 |
| toresbe | :\ | 01:13 |
| chem|st | toresbe: sounds like you want to stop the device rebooting after 20seconds... | 01:13 |
| toresbe | indeed | 01:13 |
| toresbe | trying to get meego working from MMC | 01:13 |
| chem|st | you updated your device with apt-get dist-upgrade | 01:13 |
| toresbe | nope | 01:13 |
| chem|st | or aptget upgrade should helped it already... | 01:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toresbe: tickle the watchdogs and everything idle happiness | 01:14 |
| toresbe | I'm in the bootloader fiddling around. That's before the watchdog :) | 01:14 |
| toresbe | ...gets fiddled | 01:14 |
| javispedro | toresbe: why you don't buy a cable? =) | 01:14 |
| javispedro | it's a microusb <-> usb std $5 cable | 01:14 |
| toresbe | because it's 00:14. And I'm really, really broke, too. | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch, yes. chainloading to uBoot for example would cause trouble with watchdogs, unless uBoot is properly patched to deal with them | 01:15 |
| toresbe | I actually do not have $5 at the moment. :) | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | the cable comes with n900.. | 01:15 |
| toresbe | mine was second-hand. | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | even with N810 :-) | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so now I got 4 of them :-P | 01:16 |
| javispedro | I have thousands of these | 01:16 |
| chem|st | toresbe: I bought 5 for 6eur and have one spare, where do you live? | 01:16 |
| sjk | Is N900 the latest mobile that runs maemo? | 01:16 |
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| sjk | Oups, you said it was the only one. | 01:16 |
| toresbe | Norway. But I will become not broke in less than 24 hours. | 01:16 |
| sjk | Sorry :) | 01:16 |
| chem|st | sjk: yes | 01:17 |
| toresbe | I just am impatient. :) | 01:17 |
| chem|st | toresbe: hehe | 01:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer muses about similarity between broke and broker | 01:18 | |
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| sjk | Neat, it's got a FM transmitter as well :) | 01:19 |
| Psi | hm.. i got two updates on my n900, just installed one and the 2nd has dissapeared :( | 01:19 |
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| Psi | oh, its back, nevermind, just didnt wait long enough | 01:20 |
| chem|st | sjk: and a CIR (btw the transmitter is both, reciever and transmitter) | 01:21 |
| sjk | chem|st, what's CIR? | 01:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Custom InfraRed | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | Consumer IR | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever | 01:22 |
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| sjk | Wow | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | simply a flimsy IR-LED you can switch on and off | 01:22 |
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| sjk | So, one could code a TV remote? :) | 01:22 |
| alterego | quickly :P | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 01:23 |
| alterego | That's what it's there for | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or install irreco :-P | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | the ir is transmit-only | 01:23 |
| ShadowJK | no ir receive | 01:23 |
| alterego | We've also got irreco for universal remote needs | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no RX -> no IrDA | 01:24 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: thank god | 01:24 |
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| chem|st | sjk: CIR range is 4-5m FMTX is about the same | 01:24 |
| kerio | irda sucks balls compared to, say bluetooth | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | i think irreco needs a slider so you could adjust the modulation a bit | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I wish it'd be. some 2.5m IR range here | 01:25 |
| chem|st | kerio: not in a high voltage lab | 01:25 |
| sjk | What about syncing stuff with the laptop? I'm using an Apple laptop. | 01:25 |
| Psi | i tried irreco, but i couldnt work out how to add raw remote timing and codes to the db | 01:25 |
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| kerio | sjk: isync plugin | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | I've had people at work report hearing my N900's fmtx at 30m :P | 01:25 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I got about 3.5 and the reciever is dusty :) | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | kerio: what? | 01:25 |
| kerio | http://n900isyncplugin.garage.maemo.org/ | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there is a "slider": it's called CarrierFrequency=xxxx in /etc/lirc.conf or something like that | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | but it needs to be lcars interface | 01:26 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: nice | 01:26 |
| sjk | kerio, neato! And as for music, it's just filesystem based? No iTunes-ish stuff? | 01:27 |
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| kerio | sjk: rsync "~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Music/" and "~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music/Audiobooks/" | 01:27 |
| kerio | rsync is l33t | 01:27 |
| kerio | and efficient | 01:27 |
| chem|st | sjk: with the update of today we should have a drm-free musicstore attached | 01:27 |
| * sjk nods :) | 01:27 | |
| ShadowJK | I want lcars theme back. Being able to say "hold on let me modulate the signal" while sliding on the screen's lcars theme and then the tv or whatever magically obeying your phone, would be priceless | 01:27 |
| kerio | LOL MUSIC STORE | 01:27 |
| sjk | chem|st, would there actually be any music in it? | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: check lirc website | 01:28 |
| chem|st | kerio: and has a resume function :) | 01:28 |
| javispedro | kerio: I am yet to find the shortcut to it | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: !rsync == r33b.net | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | Wait we need the update for a drm-free musicstore? | 01:28 |
| Psi | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 01:29 |
| chem|st | ShadowJK: need? | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | yeah that's wtf? | 01:29 |
| chem|st | I don't need freaking ovi at all... | 01:29 |
| Jartza | hmm | 01:30 |
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| chem|st | sjk: if the musicstore is like appstore there wont be much music available... | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: well we "needed" a "special" (==fsckdup) apt-get version to access ovi store :-P | 01:31 |
| sjk | chem|st, apples appstore? | 01:31 |
| * javispedro wants STORE and can't find it | 01:31 | |
| DocScrutinizer | so we wouldn't download nonfree software without being charged for it | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what do you think they did for ovi music? | 01:31 |
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| chem|st | sjk: no nokia appstore for maemo | 01:31 |
| kerio | sjk: motherfuckin' apt, man! | 01:32 |
| sjk | Ahh | 01:32 |
| Jartza | hmm. think I'm going to try PR1.3 | 01:32 |
| javispedro | pft. | 01:32 |
| sjk | kerio, :) | 01:32 |
| javispedro | I'm having a _hard_ time checking if I've installed PR1.3 | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrrr | 01:32 |
| chem|st | Jartza: have fun | 01:32 |
| javispedro | up so far, I am yet to find a difference... maybe I should check the about box... | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet I had a even harder time to forget I did | 01:33 |
| chem|st | Jartza: if it asks for pc-suite come back ;) | 01:33 |
| Jartza | whoa :) | 01:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | chem|st, it did! | 01:33 |
| chem|st | CutMeOwnThroat: you need a solution or want attention? | 01:33 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | I thought that was a good moment to ask for a solution... | 01:34 |
| chem|st | hehe | 01:34 |
| javispedro | the solution is simple | 01:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | this might even something you could put into the topic... | 01:34 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | don't tell me to install windows! | 01:34 |
| javispedro | use fire to purify your n900 from -devel software | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 01:34 |
| SpeedEvil | use n900fly | 01:34 |
| chem|st | you got something installed using libgles1-sgx-img or libqt4-test those two brake the upgrade | 01:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | Once you hit 56m, it auto-uninstalls all extras-devel stuff | 01:34 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | right... it actually says so | 01:34 |
| Psi | chem|st: do you just need to uninstall those first? | 01:35 |
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| javispedro | Psi: those, and all the software depending on them | 01:35 |
| chem|st | Psi: yeah and the depending games or apps | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://maemo.nokia.com/news/new-n900-software-update-available/ heretic! isn't that enough to adore new shiny PR1.3?? | 01:35 |
| chem|st | javispedro: you first :) | 01:35 |
| pyther | Nice pulse audio isn't so skippy, but still skip when you unlock the screen | 01:35 |
| chem|st | I would write it into wiki but maemo.org is letting me down | 01:35 |
| Psi | i did apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img and it removed that plus ioquake3 | 01:35 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: PC Suite SMS didn't work for me, and no way I am updating to the young hip stupid, buggy and featureless Ovi Suite | 01:36 |
| javispedro | also, I have no Ovi Music shortcut. | 01:36 |
| javispedro | and the bugs I was monitoring weren't fixed. | 01:36 |
| chem|st | javispedro: oh you remind me that I need to try that in NOS3 | 01:36 |
| javispedro | Basically, I wasted my time upgrading to it =) | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>>makes it even easier to access and sync files and messages between your device and your desktop | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly? | 01:37 |
| Jartza | I don't have any "messages" on my desktop :) | 01:37 |
| chem|st | the stupid skype video bugs show fixed and aren't | 01:37 |
| sjk | Lads, thank you so much for the information. It's time for me to get some sleep. | 01:37 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: havent tried to install it with wine yet... maybe it does some magic there :) | 01:37 |
| chem|st | sjk: bb | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | OH YEAH, *PLUS* yoghurt sport wifi | 01:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: makes it easier to read sms... if you have ovi suite on your BillGates sponsored Windows workstation | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:39 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I was actually thinking about starting a serverclient-clientserver project... but then there happened delphi to me... | 01:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | oh, "healthcheck" pulled it in | 01:39 |
| chem|st | for example | 01:39 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well.. slightly ironic | 01:39 |
| chem|st | CutMeOwnThroat: healthcheck, ioquake, gltron, tuxracer and so on | 01:40 |
| chem|st | ;) | 01:40 |
| trumee | Guys is "tweak flash" compatible with 1.3? | 01:40 |
| trumee | description says it is for PR1?2 only. | 01:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you tell us - oh, and what's tweak flash btw? | 01:41 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: a flash binary patcher GUI application, no less! | 01:41 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | well, had none of the other buggers... wasn't interested | 01:41 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, modifying flash version to report as 10 | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCK ME GENTLY | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | docscrutinizer: it changes the version string in the flash plugin binary, from 9.4 to 10 | 01:41 |
| trumee | so is it ok for 1.3? | 01:42 |
| ShadowJK | so obviously it will fail spectaculary if PR1.3 flash binary isn't bit-identical to the one in 1.2 :) | 01:42 |
| trumee | ShadowJK, crap | 01:42 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | fsck.vfat... | 01:43 |
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| CutMeOwnThroat | chem|st, so now it doesn't want to upgrade anything anymore after removing this? | 01:43 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | mmmh | 01:43 |
| chem|st | fsck.DocS --gentle --verbose | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer: oh the awesome thing is someone on t.m.o. pasted an email from Nokia Support recommending him to use Tweak Flash :) | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | is that notorious flash10 TI ARM binary somewhere on rapidshare or torrent or whatever meanwhile? | 01:44 |
| chem|st | CutMeOwnThroat: patience | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: incredible | 01:44 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | why? will it magically remember in a week? :-P | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hail nokia support | 01:44 |
| * infobot bows down to nokia support and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 01:44 | |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: wtf | 01:44 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, dont think so | 01:44 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nope last time I checked sources.. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 01:45 |
| Psi | so, is there anything i should know before doing this update, ive already removed the conflicting libgles1-sgx-img | 01:45 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | ah, all right | 01:45 |
| chem|st | don't do update with apt if there are held back packages | 01:45 |
| SpacedOut | Darn, PR1.3 upgrade failed the reboot, now nogo with white background, black background backlight fades down and it sits there. | 01:46 |
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| chem|st | ~tell SpacedOut about flashing | 01:46 |
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| SpacedOut | chem|st: I've done it before, darn annoying that I have to do it again, only this time I'm going to nuke the vfat partition since I won't have anything to loose. | 01:47 |
| javispedro | btw, I'm quite sure that the Pre flashplugin would run... | 01:48 |
| chem|st | who actually said that it is 9.4? | 01:49 |
| chem|st | adobe says 9.0.277.0 | 01:49 |
| SpacedOut | I was wondering if this was a common problem and if there were any other solutions than flashing away the rootfs? | 01:49 |
| chem|st | SpacedOut: before the upgrade yes | 01:50 |
| chem|st | SpacedOut: did you apt-get upgrade? | 01:50 |
| SpacedOut | chem|st: The 'official' supported package manager upgrade doesn't work? | 01:52 |
| chem|st | that should work | 01:52 |
| SpacedOut | What doesn't work that other people are having problems with? | 01:53 |
| chem|st | apt-get upgrade with held back packages uninstalls most of the systemUI but does not install them again cause of the held back packages | 01:53 |
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| chem|st | most of the thime ham asks for using pc-suite to upgrade as some libs brake the dependencies | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpacedOut: apt-get --dist-upgrade? don't do that | 01:54 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | any other surprises to wait for? | 01:54 |
| SpacedOut | I don't think I had any held packages. I did have the power kernel, bash, and some other things. | 01:54 |
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| chem|st | CutMeOwnThroat: if ham is not showing I have no idea but trying to manualy update | 01:55 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's now... | 01:55 |
| chem|st | once it showed in the download--all page but not in the upgrade one | 01:55 |
| chem|st | ah ok then proceed | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr powerkernel? hmmmmmmm | 01:56 |
| chem|st | CutMeOwnThroat: and make sure you backuped and charged enough this will take a while | 01:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | doing so for some time now... we'll see what runs out first, the update, my patience or the battery :-P | 01:56 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | you were reading my thoughts :) | 01:56 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: thought there was no powerkernel problem?! at least I had no nitdroid multiboot problem | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | CutMeOwnThroat: heh, great idea to run flat the battery. Gives you a nice bootstrap problem | 01:57 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | it's not _flat_, just not freshly loaded | 01:57 |
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| pyther | Is there something that will notify me of missed messages/calls? | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 01:58 |
| pyther | DocScrutinizer: what might it be? | 01:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno the name, seen it in HAM | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | foo bar widget | 01:59 |
| pyther | DocScrutinizer: well maybe your thinkig of call notify | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 01:59 |
| pyther | I need something tha buzzes if I have missed messages | 01:59 |
| pyther | sadly call notify is broken | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I always though my N900 actually *does* yell and vibrate on inbound SMS | 02:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thought* | 02:00 |
| pyther | DocScrutinizer: it does, but sometimes with vibrate I don't feel it the first time | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh so you want a longer notification? | 02:00 |
| Psi | yeah, it really should keep doing it every 10min if there is a sms waiting | 02:00 |
| chem|st | pyther: there might be a led at a corner of your device intensively blinking | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problem, just edit the vib pattern in /etc/mce/mce.ini | 02:01 |
| pyther | chem|st: well I can't see leds through my pocket | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | or *.cfg - whatever | 02:01 |
| f0rkb0mb | i have a the "nuclear launch detected" ringtone from starcraft, that always gets my or someone elses attention haha | 02:01 |
| chem|st | pyther: then make it vibrate | 02:02 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ini is right | 02:02 |
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| pyther | chem|st: is there anything that explains the syntax of said file? | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | though you might not believe it, it's really a linux system and a friggin lot of things are tweakable _without_ a cheesy foobar.exe to change things for you | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | pyther: yep, the file comments | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | iirc the vibrator stuff is all the way down at bottom of file | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and has sme 20 lines comment, pretty much explaining every gory detail on how to edit the patterns | 02:05 |
| chem|st | pyther: there is a wiki page | 02:06 |
| chem|st | pyther: and the file comments | 02:06 |
| chem|st | ~mce | 02:06 |
| infobot | MCE = Machine Check Exception. Mode Control Entity | 02:06 |
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| chem|st | ~mce.ini | 02:06 |
| jacktheripper | could anyone 'dpkg -S /usr/sbin/browserd' ? | 02:06 |
| jacktheripper | I don't seem to have browserd xD | 02:07 |
| pyther | I can't seem to match up the comments with the numbers | 02:07 |
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| chem|st | jacktheripper: tablet-browser-daemon | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | pyther: err? please elaborate | 02:08 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, thanks :) | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | which numbers? | 02:08 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: that sounds like you had held back packages within your upgrade | 02:08 |
| pyther | DocScrutinizer: I found it in the wiki, nvm me | 02:09 |
| pyther | I'll play around with it when I have more free time | 02:09 |
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| pyther | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 02:09 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: check if you got libgles1-sgx-img or libqt4-test installed | 02:09 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, I didn't have enough rootfs, I uninstalled big packages not knowing what they were. | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | pyther: yw | 02:09 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: ouch | 02:09 |
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| chem|st | jacktheripper: less than 50mb? | 02:09 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, it was about 2mb so yes :D | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeek | 02:10 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: I was close to uninstall locales-archive | 02:10 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, I remember I moved that to opt | 02:10 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: doesn't brake anything? | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | pondering my first linux system had 50MB HDD... X-P | 02:10 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, and moved it back I think. | 02:11 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, I don't remember, don't count on it | 02:11 |
| sivang | hey jacktheripper , upgraded already? :) | 02:11 |
| * sivang dreads the conflicted packages | 02:12 | |
| jacktheripper | sivang, yeah! | 02:12 |
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| jacktheripper | was this really PR1.3 or just a preparatory update ? | 02:12 |
| trumee | i cant find sharing-service-picasa in the repos! | 02:13 |
| javispedro | pr1.3 | 02:13 |
| rtyler | argh, anybody installed that maemo 5 update without needing a PC? | 02:13 |
| trumee | has it been removed? | 02:13 |
| jacktheripper | rtyler, me, just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: who at Nokia is in charge of SSU scripts? I'd think they could get better, both on verbose error msgs and proper checking and handling of resources | 02:13 |
| Psi | rtyler: mine seems to, it downloaded update, switched off and when i turned it back on it booted up and said "oppperating system updated successfully" | 02:14 |
| rtyler | jacktheripper: everything went better than expected? | 02:14 |
| Psi | i removed the packages that were conflicting before i started | 02:14 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: One thinks they could handle years long standing problems (gles1) first =) | 02:14 |
| rtyler | I'm scared, but also excited | 02:14 |
| * rtyler clutches his blankie tight | 02:14 | |
| Psi | it doesnt look any different so far | 02:14 |
| jacktheripper | rtyler, if you have enough rootfs space, yes :) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Psi: hooray | 02:15 |
| jacktheripper | PR1.3 doesn't bring too much anyway, it's mostly performance. | 02:15 |
| sivang | jacktheripper: and it all worked well? no manual package removalneeded? | 02:15 |
| sivang | jacktheripper: in embedded, performance is everything :) | 02:15 |
| javispedro | what performance? :) | 02:16 |
| rtyler | fak, I forgot how to get to root | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | developer performance | 02:16 |
| chem|st | javispedro: that was just in my mind... | 02:16 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: good point :) | 02:16 |
| jacktheripper | sivang, yes, it worked well. Apart from the pain I had recovering from 'no disk space' each 2 minutes of upgrading. | 02:16 |
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| chem|st | rtyler: type root in a terminal | 02:16 |
| trumee | sharing-service-picasa is missing | 02:16 |
| trumee | http://maemo.org/packages/view/sharing-service-picasa/ cant find it | 02:17 |
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| chem|st | trumee: thats an ovi package | 02:17 |
| chem|st | isnt it? | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtyler: maybe install rootsh first | 02:17 |
| f0rkb0mb | yehaw, facebook and twitter bookmarks are on the desktop again... i love to delete those | 02:17 |
| rtyler | chem|st: derrr | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | blaerrrgh | 02:17 |
| chem|st | f0rkb0mb: ever heard of restoring backup? | 02:18 |
| trumee | chem|st, right. thanks | 02:18 |
| f0rkb0mb | there wasnt much to backup so i dont bother | 02:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer makes a postit notice to add a >rm facebook.desktop twitter.desktop foobar.desktop<< line to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 02:19 | |
| chem|st | f0rkb0mb: at least settings I do as everything else is stored in home anyway | 02:19 |
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| f0rkb0mb | hm true | 02:20 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: those are actual packages, purge them instead of just its desktop files | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | grrrr | 02:20 |
| javispedro | facebook-installer iirc, etc. | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah :-O*** | 02:20 |
| * javispedro already sent them to their resting place | 02:21 | |
| javispedro | hm.. seems openssh 5.2 -> 5.6 has enlarged a bit | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | pkg?? wtf! can't be more than a *.desktop and a *.install | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | really bloated, compared to starhash-enabler :-P | 02:23 |
| f0rkb0mb | n900-fmrx-enabler - d-bus service for enabling the dsabled fm receiver hardware <- already installed, didnt we need to install it manually last time, cant remember | 02:23 |
| rtyler | time for a reboot | 02:24 |
| rtyler | dun dun dun | 02:24 |
| chem|st | javispedro: true thats the first I do after a reflash, reinstall apps and remove the apt-get remove installer* | 02:24 |
| trumee | mediaplayer is really good in 1.3. No stuttering even under heavy cpu load | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | wOOOt WOOOt reboot! | 02:24 |
| f0rkb0mb | *drum roll* | 02:24 |
| rtyler | I'M SO EXCITED | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | what til that changes to state "upset" | 02:25 |
| SpacedOut | Okay, I've reflashed PR1.2 (that's what I had available), and I'm trying the PR1.3 upgrade again. | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or - worse- "bored" | 02:25 |
| rtyler | does this update include anything to make modest any faster? | 02:25 |
| * rtyler grumbles | 02:25 | |
| sivang | night all! | 02:26 |
| sivang | rtyler: hehe | 02:26 |
| sivang | rtyler: we'd wish :) | 02:26 |
| sivang | I couldn't resist the comment :) | 02:26 |
| rtyler | modest feels like it was written in Java | 02:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we'd wish we had a decent changelog even | 02:26 |
| f0rkb0mb | rtyler: no, but it makes you unresistable for women | 02:26 |
| SpacedOut | (If I thought it would take a 3rd try I would have pointed it to my caching squid proxy to save the 89MB download time). | 02:26 |
| rtyler | f0rkb0mb: I recently got married, I'm alread unresistable for women | 02:26 |
| javispedro | what's the sshd binary size with the extras openssh package? | 02:26 |
| SpacedOut | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 has a bugzilla query for the fixed bugs. | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, a lie | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | but thanks | 02:27 |
| f0rkb0mb | nvmd then | 02:27 |
| rtyler | f0rkb0mb: http://urlenco.de/uvdybsc | 02:27 |
| * rtyler chortles | 02:27 | |
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| f0rkb0mb | mommy ? | 02:28 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: hahah | 02:28 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: downright! | 02:28 |
| sivang | anywya | 02:28 |
| sivang | seriously out now, bye all | 02:28 |
| sivang | been nice riding the 1.3 hype with you today | 02:28 |
| Psi | video recording is still pretty jerky | 02:28 |
| rtyler | so there's really no 1.3 changelog? | 02:28 |
| * rtyler wants to know what he just installed :P | 02:29 | |
| sivang | performance! performance! performance! (-Developers! Developers! Developers!) | 02:29 |
| rtyler | also, developers! | 02:29 |
| sivang | rtyler: hehe:) | 02:29 |
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| sivang | rtyler: if you find a decent changelog | 02:29 |
| rtyler | sivang: i'll sell it to the highest bidder :D | 02:29 |
| sivang | rtyler: please send it my way, it'd be muichly appreciated as I want to consult before I install | 02:29 |
| sivang | rtyler: something like that, yes | 02:30 |
| sivang | rtyler: and CC DocScrutinizer | 02:30 |
| sivang | rtyler: he'd be happy | 02:30 |
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| rtyler | so I run omgsuse.com, I'm wondering if there is a need for an OMG! Maemo! site anytime soon ;) | 02:30 |
| rtyler | somebody to find this stuff out | 02:30 |
| sivang | rtyler: but modet did improve alot since 1.1, that you have to say | 02:30 |
| rtyler | sivang: I've only had my n900 for a few months | 02:30 |
| rtyler | it's a step up from a Neo1973 in that I can make phone calls! | 02:31 |
| Psi | hahaha | 02:31 |
| sivang | rtyler: it si a dream machine | 02:31 |
| rtyler | also a step up from MeeGo, where you can barely run bash | 02:31 |
| * rtyler grumbles | 02:31 | |
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| sivang | seriously now, and modest can be sped quite alot using some tricks running at t.m.o | 02:31 |
| sivang | or so someone said | 02:31 |
| sivang | like with using local mail proxy etc | 02:32 |
| rtyler | t.m.o == trashbin.maemo.org? :D | 02:32 |
| sivang | that does the fetching itself and handles the proper header fetching in quciker times | 02:32 |
| rtyler | that might be true | 02:32 |
| javispedro | pfft. | 02:32 |
| sivang | rtyler: I did not want to say that, but... "talk.maemo.org" | 02:32 |
| * sivang apologizes to DocScrutinizer | 02:32 | |
| rtyler | sivang: I know ;) | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | omgsuse.com? sounds good, maybe the fact is interesting to you then: the wiki page on opensusue about maemo recently vanished from all the internets | 02:32 |
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| javispedro | theoretically maemo's most installed geek-friendly extras package, rootsh, has a packaging bug. | 02:33 |
| rtyler | DocScrutinizer: old-en.opensuse.org/Maemo IIRC | 02:33 |
| rtyler | we had a wiki move this summer | 02:33 |
| javispedro | more exactly, a syntax error in its postrm | 02:33 |
| rtyler | sivang: if I had something better than EDGE, modest wouldn't hurt so much I think | 02:33 |
| rtyler | it's still fairly CPU intensive though | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I bet it's about nuking edits in 01sudoers | 02:34 |
| sivang | rtyler: I take it edge is an alternative email cleitn? | 02:34 |
| rtyler | sivang: EDGE is a crappy slow cellular data protocal | 02:34 |
| rtyler | "2G" | 02:34 |
| sivang | oh | 02:34 |
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| sivang | that EDGE | 02:34 |
| javispedro | ok, now I'm getting uberlong delays in modest | 02:34 |
| sivang | yes | 02:34 |
| rtyler | trapped on AT&T | 02:34 |
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| sivang | javispedro: depends how much you downloaded, etc | 02:34 |
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| javispedro | I'm sick of this, I'm going postal on modest's gconf entries | 02:34 |
| rtyler | javispedro: burninate the peasants | 02:35 |
| sivang | javispedro: witha very strong 3G it works somewhat reasonable | 02:35 |
| sivang | javispedro: postal? | 02:35 |
| sivang | javispedro: for the non native speakers? | 02:35 |
| rtyler | sivang: "murderous rage" | 02:35 |
| sivang | hehe | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: gnhnhnhnhh :-> | 02:35 |
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| rtyler | sivang: it's an Americanism in reference to postal workers going crazy and shooting lots of people | 02:35 |
| rtyler | sivang: typically other postal workers | 02:35 |
| javispedro | sivang: this is bug #11139, which was suposedly fixed, but clearly isn't | 02:36 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11139 Long delays in email interface | 02:36 |
| rtyler | sivang: so not a tremendous loss, since they're dead inside already | 02:36 |
| sivang | like going "mental" | 02:36 |
| rtyler | richtig | 02:36 |
| sivang | rtyler: hahaha | 02:36 |
| javispedro | as my modest gconf file is still in the mibibytes | 02:36 |
| rtyler | javispedro: how many jiggabytes is that? | 02:36 |
| javispedro | 42 | 02:37 |
| Psi | na, its always 1.21 | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | postal: http://www.runningwithscissors.com/ | 02:37 |
| access | what does uname -a say on PR1.3? | 02:37 |
| javispedro | NSFW | 02:37 |
| rtyler | hah | 02:37 |
| rtyler | NOT ENOUGH NUDITY | 02:37 |
| sivang | anywyam that about as much laughter I can take for one day | 02:38 |
| sivang | good night people! | 02:38 |
| rtyler | sivang: tschuessi | 02:38 |
| sivang | keep the faith! | 02:38 |
| javispedro | g'nite sivang | 02:38 |
| Psi | access: mine says "Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown" | 02:38 |
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| Psi | and afaik im on 1.3 | 02:38 |
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| f0rkb0mb | same here | 02:38 |
| access | Psi: thanks… just wnated to check if my somewhat botched upgrade was correct or not :) | 02:38 |
| javispedro | you should check if version number on your about screen starts with 20.xxxx | 02:38 |
| javispedro | I already checked that many times, since I'm yet to find any difference after the upgrade... | 02:39 |
| rtyler | I need an ebuild file for modest | 02:39 |
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| Psi | mine is 20.1010.36-2.002 | 02:39 |
| rtyler | recompiled with -O3! | 02:39 |
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| f0rkb0mb | 20.2010.36-2 | 02:40 |
| javispedro | aaaaaaah | 02:40 |
| access | yeah, sys info (now) says the correct thing… I was impatient at first when the upgrade hit and did a dist-upgrade which fscked up a lot of things… think it's ok now though since i reinstalled the pr1.3 meta package | 02:40 |
| javispedro | I see | 02:40 |
| Psi | err, yeah, i meant to say 2010 | 02:40 |
| javispedro | it seems that for the modest bug to fix itself I need to get an email notification and clear it | 02:40 |
| jacktheripper | how do i render something using mafw from the commandline ? | 02:40 |
| javispedro | IT WORKS!!! | 02:41 |
| javispedro | delays are gone! | 02:41 |
| javispedro | it's PR1.3 after all!! | 02:41 |
| javispedro | it was worth it! | 02:41 |
| access | osso-product-info => OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='20.2010.36-2' so perhpas I'll skip the reflash I was planing on :) | 02:41 |
| Psi | which delay ? | 02:41 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 02:41 |
| mc_teo | the maemo 5 update in the repo? what is it? | 02:42 |
| mc_teo | not pr1.3? | 02:42 |
| Noma_ | yes it is | 02:42 |
| Shadikka | ~pr1.3 | 02:42 |
| infobot | pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 02:42 |
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| * rtyler gets back to work | 02:43 | |
| javispedro | Psi: bug #11139 | 02:43 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11139 Long delays in email interface | 02:43 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 02:44 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 02:44 |
| dolp | pr1.3 + madde? | 02:44 |
| Psi | javispedro: ah | 02:45 |
| jacekowski | still no SSU for UK? | 02:45 |
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| jacktheripper | does anyone know what packages are responsible for codecs/media ? I think I screwed up those too. Mediaplayer just skips all my tracks | 02:47 |
| jacktheripper | and I'm not able to launch it from the commandline, nothing happens | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | not mounted card? | 02:48 |
| jacekowski | try restarting | 02:48 |
| f0rkb0mb | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/decoders-support/ | 02:49 |
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| jacktheripper | I mean normal codecs like mp3 actually. | 02:50 |
| jacekowski | try restarting | 02:50 |
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| jacktheripper | well I did restart a couple of times after the PR1.3 update, and I did remove some packages because I didn't have space on rootfs. Maybe I removed something essential ? | 02:51 |
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| jacktheripper | I tried `maemo-summoner /usr/bin/mediaplayer.launch` nothing happens | 02:51 |
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| mc_teo | wont let me update OTA | 02:52 |
| javispedro | how to root maemo without rootsh? | 02:53 |
| mc_teo | must flash it | 02:53 |
| mc_teo | ssh as root? | 02:53 |
| javispedro | extra condition: without access to extras? | 02:53 |
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| mc_teo | pliers | 02:53 |
| javispedro | poses an interesting problem I think | 02:54 |
| javispedro | I was wondering why we don't have a package in extras that just adds /bin/sh to sudoers | 02:54 |
| javispedro | instead of the overcomplexity of rootsh | 02:54 |
| javispedro | s/sudoers/sudoers.d | 02:55 |
| chem|st | mc_teo: does it tell to use pc-suite? then look closer, there are package conflicts | 02:55 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: download the package by hand with another device and install | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no interesting problem, actually totally boring. install your own rootsh pkg from uSD | 02:56 |
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| javispedro | yeah, forgot pr1.2 enabled installation from file system | 02:57 |
| javispedro | (thank urho konttori for that :) ) | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | with redpill mode this always worked afaik | 02:57 |
| scifi | Hi, is 8GB microSD good enough (or more-than-enough) for future Meego and NITDroid installation? | 02:58 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: btw, you have /bin/sh in sudoers, use ssh root@localhost or use rootsh? | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: anyway in postinstall you can do whatever you like, with root perms | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: err, please rephrase | 02:59 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what do you use to become root, usually, on your N900? | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | scifi: probably yes | 03:00 |
| javispedro | as I reflashed I am rebuilding everything but trying to rethink some stuff (for the better). This includes the root, rootsh "maemoisms". | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | root | 03:00 |
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| scifi | DocScrutinizer: thx | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | on device - obviously ssh from desktop (the more frequently used method) | 03:01 |
| javispedro | theoretically, if I were to add /bin/sh to sudoers, sudo -s would work, and I would not need to create bash alias everywhere | 03:01 |
| javispedro | (cause using root in some shells and sudo -s or su in other systems is painful) | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | errrrm, yes. agreed, it's a pita | 03:02 |
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| rpgdude | hey everyone | 03:02 |
| * javispedro goes try to create such a rootsh-like package | 03:02 | |
| Aranel | 20.2010.36-2.002 is it the latest? | 03:02 |
| rpgdude | i tried updating to pr1.3 | 03:02 |
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| rpgdude | but it wont let me | 03:03 |
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| rpgdude | it says i must update from pc | 03:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer sighs and wonders if eventually anybody will update that friggin wikipage | 03:03 | |
| javispedro | check how update it last time and start ddos'ing his email inbox | 03:04 |
| javispedro | s/how/who | 03:04 |
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| mc_teo | seemingly it says that due to package conflicts | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:05 |
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| rpgdude | is there a way to fix it | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:05 |
| rpgdude | any way to resolve the conflict? | 03:05 |
| mc_teo | when it says update | 03:06 |
| mc_teo | click on details | 03:06 |
| rpgdude | ok trying | 03:06 |
| mc_teo | and under problems tab, it will tell you which package is conflicting | 03:06 |
| mc_teo | unistall that and it should work okay | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | uninstall these | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you got enough free space on rootfs (maybe ~50MB) | 03:07 |
| mc_teo | for me its libqt4-test | 03:07 |
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| mc_teo | which i dont recall ever installing | 03:07 |
| mc_teo | ah, probably came with pyqt | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pr1.3 is also http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 03:09 |
| mc_teo | DocScrutinizer: why do so many qt related packages conflict? | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 is also http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 03:10 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 03:10 |
| * Hydroxide updates his N900 to PR1.3, fingers metaphorically crossed | 03:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: no idea. probably because they changed something | 03:10 |
| javispedro | hey, the N900 icon is finally showing on Nautilus | 03:11 |
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| javispedro | though I guess this might be caused because I reflashed the emmc and not pr1.3 | 03:11 |
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| rpgdude | my conflict is libgles1-sgx-img | 03:12 |
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| mc_teo | heh, i was about to do that | 03:13 |
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| *** DocScrutinizer changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient. DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade! See ~pr1.3" | 03:14 | |
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| mc_teo | ~pr1.3 | 03:14 |
| infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 03:14 |
| oshin | no - before the dist-upgrade? | 03:15 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | Today my n900 decided to update the whole syste. Is this normal? | 03:23 |
| rpgdude | ok looks like my conflict are resolved | 03:24 |
| rpgdude | are there any issues with bootmenu on the new firmware? | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: no. | 03:25 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: most days it doesn't do that. | 03:25 |
| rpgdude | jpinx-eeepc: there is new firmware release | 03:26 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: it lists just about every application in there and wants 85-oo MB spacev | 03:26 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:26 |
| jpinx-eeepc | should I let it ? | 03:26 |
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| javispedro | depends on wheter you have a backup and enough time at the moment | 03:26 |
| javispedro | as it will take around an hour | 03:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I'll need to do it overnight tonight, that's a marathon download for my connection | 03:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | wtf can't they do these big jobs in stages? They expect everyone to be on a huge connection, not some crappy gprs | 03:28 |
| javispedro | well, don't do it now. | 03:28 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | but yea - thanks guys - I'll do it tonight... | 03:29 |
| ebzzry | Hi! How much rootfs space is needed for the PR 1.3 OTA upgrade? | 03:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | try 50 | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | report if that worked for you - you'll be the first to bet on 50 :-) | 03:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | in 9h 30min the one who got closest gets 1 karma point | 03:40 |
| javispedro | 80 | 03:40 |
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| javispedro | hm.. wait for it, I have a better bet. | 03:40 |
| javispedro | 35840 bytes | 03:41 |
| javispedro | er.. | 03:41 |
| javispedro | 35840 KiB | 03:41 |
| javispedro | hum, ridiculously low... | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you're aware bets a valid only together with a worked/too-low report for the value you bet on | 03:43 |
| andyph666 | gahh | 03:43 |
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| andyph666 | gotta spend all day reinstalling now | 03:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you'd realy think Nokia could do better than a silly "free space too low". At least they could report actual and expected free space :-S | 03:45 |
| andyph666 | gettin an iphone 4 from someone for free, shoudl i sell it? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 03:46 |
| javispedro | I'll but it for $0,10 | 03:47 |
| javispedro | place your bets, ladies and gentleman! | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd probably hack it til it's dead | 03:47 |
| javispedro | *buy it. | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet after you but it noone will buy it | 03:49 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, the top two screws are suppose to be philips head screws aren't they? | 03:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 4 are philips, 2 - for kbd - are torx | 03:59 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, any way to forcibly remove the two top philips? They aren't coming out. I think my screwdrivers are just spinning around on the top of it, even though they are small enough | 04:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Find a proper screwdriver | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | _never_ try to use loose screwdrivers. | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | And apply lots of downforce | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you ruined them with a cheap screwdriver, then it starts getting really nasty | 04:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Other than that, drilling them out is your only option. | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 04:01 |
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| Termana | I don't think I *have* a drill part that small :p | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and I'd bet against you succeeding to do that properly | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Also, you really ideally want a left-hand-thread drill | 04:02 |
| SpeedEvil | And a good drill press, or a dremel and a _really_ steady hand | 04:02 |
| CreamyG | just try a sharp knife or someting | 04:02 |
| CreamyG | just dig the tip in a bit | 04:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oh yes, or a sledgehammer | 04:03 |
| CreamyG | with a laser scope | 04:03 |
| CreamyG | precision sledge | 04:03 |
| * CreamyG goes to play fallout | 04:03 | |
| internetishard | any progress on being able to attach flash drives to the n900? | 04:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hostmode | 04:06 |
| infobot | i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 | 04:06 |
| javispedro | and... PR1.3 is still redirecting Xorg .0.log to $HOME sometimes! | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | umm, what else should it do? | 04:08 |
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| javispedro | not creating it in the first place | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm | 04:09 |
| javispedro | previously, /var/log was quite empty | 04:09 |
| javispedro | now, there are log files all over the place on a freshly flashed system | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err yes, there's a 'known bugs' note | 04:10 |
| javispedro | there's? | 04:10 |
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| javispedro | aha, tmo already has a pr1.4 thread! | 04:12 |
| wmarone | javispedro: no kidding, there's the log file :/ | 04:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt >>Known issues and deficiencies in this release >>Unnecessary warnings and debugging messages are printed out | 04:12 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: nope, I quite know what warnings and debugging messages this item's talking about. | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>... when the hildon application framework is started | 04:13 |
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| javispedro | (install sdk and type af-sb-init.sh start, if your terminal has enough backlog buffer to hold them all...) | 04:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I see a pattern | 04:13 |
| javispedro | believe me, not the same thing | 04:14 |
| javispedro | the messages the sdk notes refer to are glib warnings/g_debugs, which on the device are redirected to syslog | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | not same thing, but same cause/mindset | 04:14 |
| andyph666 | will there even be a pr1.4? i wonder when they last updated the n810 or whatever hte previous phone was | 04:16 |
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| dolp | holy crap.. conversations just crashed | 04:16 |
| dolp | first time ever | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | n810 wasn't a phone, but anyway. No there's probably no 1.4 | 04:16 |
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| johnx | andyph666, last N810 update was maybe 2008 or so? | 04:18 |
| johnx | I'd believe there might be a PR1.3.1 or something, but I kinda doubt PR1.4 | 04:19 |
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| andyph666 | really hope hte next meego phone doesnt have micro usb issues :o | 04:22 |
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| Robot101 | dolp: do you have "automatic connections" installed? | 04:22 |
| Robot101 | dolp: it confuses Conversations for me, unfortunately | 04:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hi Robot101 | 04:24 |
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| Robot101 | DocScrutinizer51: evening | 04:26 |
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| SpacedOut | Bug check, does anyone else have a password protected certificate with PR1.3? I upgraded and now it says invalid password when logging onto WiFi and in the certificate manager, so I can't connect anymore. | 04:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | umm I'm amazed that ever worked | 04:28 |
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| SpacedOut | DocScrutinizer: What part? | 04:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | the whole certificate thing | 04:28 |
| derf | The wifi authentication on Maemo always worked surprisingly well, considering how broken it is in Linux generally. | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep, and not only in linux | 04:29 |
| njsf1 | I must say that PR1.3 feels much faster. it was a pain to reinstall everything after flashing, but it does seem like a smooth update. Good job nokia and maemo :) | 04:29 |
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| SpacedOut | Can anyone double check that passwords an certificates are broken in PR1.3 or if it's just something with my freshly flashed system? | 04:30 |
| johnx | a clean reflash (or even reboot) *always* feels faster :) | 04:30 |
| derf | Except for the stupid Wi-Fi Protected Setup crap, of course. | 04:30 |
| derf | There are a number of routers my N810 can connect to that my N900 can't because of that. | 04:30 |
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| SpacedOut | johnx: Not when you have 8GB of ram and it can cache the entire file system metadata in memory, so there are exceptions. | 04:31 |
| johnx | s/t)/t) of the N900/g | 04:31 |
| infobot | johnx meant: a clean reflash (or even reboot) of the N900 *always* feels faster :) | 04:31 |
| SpacedOut | derf: What I found is you set it up as if it was hidden, ie don't tell the N900 to search, then uncheck the hidden once you've connected. | 04:32 |
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| Skyscraper | hi! | 04:41 |
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| Skyscraper | anyone know how much space on rootfs is needed for pr1.3? | 04:41 |
| Skyscraper | n900 | 04:41 |
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| SpacedOut | I have 92MB free after a reflash of PR1.2 and upgrade to PR1.3, and I haven't installed anything yet because it keeps rejecting my password for my certificate. | 04:43 |
| SpacedOut | I might just file a PR1.3 bug report and downgrade to PR1.2. | 04:43 |
| Skyscraper | ive only 38 mb free on rootfs | 04:44 |
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| SpacedOut | My first PR1.2 to PR1.3 upgrade failed the reboot so I had to reflash it. | 04:45 |
| Skyscraper | oO | 04:45 |
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| Skyscraper | sounds bad | 04:46 |
| Skyscraper | i DONT want to reflash^^ | 04:47 |
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| SpacedOut | That's what I thought, but I can't go back now, it's just a question of which is worse PR1.2 when PR1.3 is out or PR1.3 and no WiFi security. | 04:48 |
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| Skyscraper | PR1.3 no Wifi security?! | 04:48 |
| Skyscraper | what do you mean? | 04:48 |
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| rpgdude | anyone know how to clear authorisation for facebook in hermes? | 04:50 |
| SpacedOut | I have WPA-EAP setup, the "enterprise" kind with a password protected certificate. PR1.2 worked fine, PR1.3 keeps saying invalid password, so I can't get on anymore. | 04:50 |
| Skyscraper | hm i have wpa2 personal only | 04:50 |
| Skyscraper | is it a problemP | 04:51 |
| SpacedOut | I don't know, I hate to downgrade to that because of a software N900 upgrade. :( | 04:51 |
| njsf | I have WPA2-PSK with no issues | 04:51 |
| Skyscraper | ok | 04:51 |
| SpacedOut | Does anyone have a password protected certificate and PR1.3 to make me feel better that it isn't just me? | 04:52 |
| njsf | I do remember some issues with dual WPA/WPA2 | 04:52 |
| Skyscraper | oh it seems to work now with ~50 mb free rootfs | 04:53 |
| njsf | Sorry SpacedOut not my config :/ | 04:53 |
| mtnbkr | anyone have a URL for the changelog from 1.2 to the new 1.3 release of maemo? | 04:53 |
| Skyscraper | it says "downloading 84,5 MB" | 04:53 |
| Skyscraper | i hope it will work O:-) | 04:54 |
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| Skyscraper | does PR1.3 really improve battery life?? | 04:54 |
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| njsf | Skyscraper probably nobody will have robust data until a week from now | 04:55 |
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| Skyscraper | njsf: PR1.3 is released today?^^ | 04:55 |
| njsf | yep | 04:56 |
| rpgdude | upgrade worked for me xD | 04:56 |
| njsf | Skyscraper you missed all the scrollback heh ? | 04:56 |
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| Skyscraper | my N900 flashed me "Softwareupdate available"... and i just wondered about "Maemo 5"... googled and found out PR1.3 released oO | 04:56 |
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| Skyscraper | 50% downloaded ca | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~pr1.3 | 05:01 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 05:01 |
| Skyscraper | what? LAST update? | 05:01 |
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| andrewfblack | Skyscraper: Maemo is dead | 05:03 |
| Skyscraper | andrewfblack: why? | 05:03 |
| njsf | long live Maemo | 05:03 |
| andrewfblack | Skyscraper: Meego | 05:03 |
| andrewfblack | Skyscraper: 3 updates is about max we have ever goten for a version of Maemo | 05:03 |
| Skyscraper | andrewfblack: Meego isnt finished... i think its an alpha maybe.. xD | 05:03 |
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| andrewfblack | Skyscraper: your right its not finished but Maemo is | 05:04 |
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| Skyscraper | andrewfblack: you cant call with meego.. lol | 05:04 |
| andrewfblack | andrewfblack: well the Devs can but users can't | 05:05 |
| Skyscraper | andrewfblack: i've had a meego weekly build two month ago or so... - most apps were "placeholder for..." so.. nothing usable | 05:05 |
| * raster perks up ... meego status eh? | 05:06 | |
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| andrewfblack | Skyscraper: I'm not saying Meego is ready for us to use, I'm say Maemo will not get anymore updates becuase the work is focused on Meego now, Just like Diablo got no more updates because they had moved on to Fremantle | 05:06 |
| Skyscraper | other question: will there be a new phone after n900? n8 get symbian^3 oO | 05:07 |
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| andrewfblack | Skyscraper: Yes, Meego isn't designed to be sold on N900, it will be sold on new phones from both Nokia and Intel | 05:07 |
| javispedro | no, Nokia is going to announce tomorrow that they're going to merge with Volkswagen and start making cars intead of phones | 05:08 |
| Skyscraper | andrewfblack: but why they sold N8 with Symbian^3? | 05:08 |
| Skyscraper | javispedro: LOL | 05:08 |
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| ieatlint | javispedro: no, i heard vw was going to make phones with nokia | 05:09 |
| ieatlint | Volkshandy has a nice ring to it | 05:10 |
| Skyscraper | ping | 05:10 |
| andrewfblack | Skyscraper: Don't ask me ask Nokia why, but if I'm not mistaken Meego is going to be Multitouch so there will be a new phone | 05:10 |
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| Skyscraper | yeah... its very bad that n900 has resitive touchscreen -.- | 05:10 |
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| ieatlint | andrewfblack: qt has been multitouch for a while, and is the base for the entire meego ui | 05:10 |
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| ieatlint | you can probably go look at libmeegotouch now and see how it intends to handle the events and such | 05:11 |
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| Skyscraper | my brother has old google g1 and just told me he installed android 2.1 or stl... and now he has multitouch because the hardware can, the old android not... - but i googled... an n900 CANT -.- | 05:11 |
| andrewfblack | ieatlint: don't get me started on meegotouch I hate learning new theming methods all over again | 05:11 |
| njsf | so how exactly does one access the ovi store? | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: "going to"? AIUI that's already finished | 05:12 |
| njsf | the old link tells to upgrade to 1.3 (which I did) | 05:12 |
| ieatlint | libmeegotouch was desperately needed to fix some broke ass shit | 05:12 |
| njsf | the link on ovi.com says the device is not supportd | 05:12 |
| njsf | is anyone else seeing this? | 05:12 |
| ieatlint | reimplementing standard qt widgets resulted in some weird stuff that was not pleasant | 05:12 |
| Skyscraper | how long did the OTA update to pr1.3 to install? | 05:14 |
| andrewfblack | ieatlint: I just get pissy everytime Maemo Updates because the UI is completly changed and I have to start my themes all over again, Software Devs just have to recomplie and tweak, sometimes do nothing and there software runs. | 05:14 |
| javispedro | andrewfblack: not for meego, you know. | 05:14 |
| * andrewfblack is lazy which is why Maemo-org theme still isn't updated to Pr1.2 | 05:14 | |
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| ieatlint | eh... maemo has a lot of hacked stuff... i believe that is one of the aims with meego... keep it standardised and don't break compatibility | 05:15 |
| andrewfblack | javispedro: what not for meego? | 05:15 |
| javispedro | andrewfblack: rebuild & run on meego | 05:15 |
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| andrewfblack | ieatlint: yeah Maemo Theming was really hacked together I just hope they pick a layout and stick with it on Meego, well really I guess since multiple hardware companys will be using Multiple UI themes themeing will still not be easy | 05:17 |
| ieatlint | heh, perhaps... | 05:18 |
| ieatlint | here's to hoping it doesn't fracture as much as android though | 05:18 |
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| andrewfblack | One thing Android does wrong with Fracturing is they allow new phones to be sold with old OS, Nokia did that right when they update to a new OS just let only Phones/OSes die. People moan and grone for a while then they go buy a new device. | 05:23 |
| andrewfblack | only=old | 05:23 |
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| ieatlint | well, the way meego is done, it won't have the ability to prevent manufacturers from using only current versions | 05:26 |
| ieatlint | in fact, the only meego device currently being sold uses a hacked non-standard version of meego 1.0 | 05:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | meego device? | 05:27 |
| Skyscraper | YEAH | 05:27 |
| ieatlint | their way to try and prevent fracturing is a certification program... anyone can use meego, but to be a meego certified device, it needs to meet preset qualifications, which will in theory help prevent too much customisation | 05:27 |
| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: the wetab | 05:27 |
| Skyscraper | n900 says operating system successfully updated | 05:27 |
| andrewfblack | ieatlint: First Nokia Device will be using a hacked up version as well not true Meego | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | That's a silly name. | 05:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Skyscraper: :) How much space on / did you have before. | 05:28 |
| ieatlint | heh, so is meego | 05:28 |
| ieatlint | andrewfblack: oh? | 05:28 |
| ieatlint | then you know more than has been announced :P | 05:28 |
| Skyscraper | SpeedEvil: 50,X MB before, 53,7 MB now :D | 05:29 |
| andrewfblack | ieatlint: Only thing meego certified device thing would really be good for would be to like block devices from a central market but, I don't think there will be a central meego market not that I have heard. | 05:29 |
| Skyscraper | but... UI is not FASTER than PR1.2 - its SLOWER i think... (first impression) | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui first nokia device will use meego HE which actually is a maemo/meego bastard | 05:30 |
| Skyscraper | grrr... internal error... program internet closed | 05:30 |
| andrewfblack | DocScrutinizer51: that is what I was refering to | 05:30 |
| johnx | ieatlint, hmm, pretty sure I heard something similar | 05:30 |
| johnx | ieatlint, basically, harmattan (sp?) was already far into development when Nokia and Intel put ink to paper for the MeeGo specs | 05:30 |
| andrewfblack | If I'm not mistakened first version will still be using deb and not rpm for one | 05:31 |
| Skyscraper | f**ing phone is slower than pr1.2 -.- | 05:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | Skyscraper: possibly tracker kicking in? | 05:31 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, that and it won't quite line up with an 'official' meego release | 05:31 |
| Skyscraper | SpeedEvil: what? | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: yep | 05:31 |
| ieatlint | wow, that's all sorts of special | 05:31 |
| johnx | it will have features that fall someplace between 1.1 and 1.2, IIUC | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Skyscraper: htop! | 05:32 |
| ieatlint | i mean, i assumed it would have hildon libs and such... | 05:32 |
| ieatlint | but i expected it to have this much-touted meego cert | 05:32 |
| johnx | ieatlint, it won't, (again, IIRC) | 05:32 |
| johnx | the gtk+ hildon libs I mean | 05:32 |
| ieatlint | heh, go nokia.. | 05:32 |
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| johnx | API breakage, thy name is Nokia | 05:32 |
| andrewfblack | It would be Nokia unless they broke some stuff | 05:33 |
| johnx | keep in mind, that most of this isn't the maemo/meego team's fault, but rather Nokia not giving them the resources really needed until very recently | 05:33 |
| Skyscraper | ./usr/lib/tracker has 100% cpu? | 05:33 |
| ieatlint | well, there's no good reason to break that api short of some vain attempt to force people to use just qt | 05:33 |
| ieatlint | afterall, it's definitely going to be running X, and the meego specs say gtk+ should be there | 05:34 |
| johnx | do they? the meego handset specs? | 05:34 |
| * johnx could be behind the times | 05:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and HONESTLY if this meego thing has madatory multitouch and you can't use it without... :-/ ho is that supposed to be used as a one hand operated phone then? | 05:34 |
| Skyscraper | ./usr/lib/tracker/tracker-indexer whats that? | 05:34 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer, grow more fingers | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah some more thumbs | 05:35 |
| johnx | or maybe another arm | 05:35 |
| Skyscraper | lol now /usr/libexec/gst-video-thumbnailerd has 100% cpu | 05:35 |
| ieatlint | johnsu01: i definitely recall gtk+ being a required lib for meego cert | 05:35 |
| johnx | ok, then I'm wrong. but is it the hildon gtk+ or the vanila gtk+? | 05:36 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, some corrosion on the board, but I think the issue is inside the screen (because the front light works, but the screen stays off) | 05:36 |
| Termana | I found a lot of hair in there as well... I don' | 05:36 |
| Termana | I don't even want to know how hair got in there... | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ohoh, that's typical symtom of borked FPC connector | 05:37 |
| ieatlint | http://meego.com/developers/meego-architecture has "GTK+/Clutter" listed | 05:37 |
| johnx | Termana, can you hook it up to a TV and see if it boots? | 05:37 |
| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: PM? | 05:37 |
| ieatlint | it's vanilla gtk+ | 05:37 |
| johnx | heh. fun times :) | 05:37 |
| ieatlint | i just expected hildon support to be thrown in, as meego specs say you can add libs | 05:37 |
| johnx | hildonify your apps! now update to maemo 3, 4, 5! now unhildonify them or they won't work! | 05:37 |
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| luke-jr_ | :D | 05:38 |
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| ieatlint | i'm told there are already community hildon packages for meego | 05:38 |
| johnx | the fun we hit in Mer was that Nokia had non-upstreamed patches to gtk+ itself to 'facilitate' hildon functionality | 05:38 |
| Termana | johnx, as soon as I can get the damn ribbon to connect back up, I'll have a look :p | 05:38 |
| Termana | Fiddly thing | 05:38 |
| johnx | yeah, I hate those types of cable | 05:39 |
| johnx | I broke one on an older sub-notebook I was working on | 05:39 |
| johnx | I was sooo (#*$ing pissed at myself | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: also you seem to know better about needed period for drying than me. So good luck with your next device | 05:39 |
| * andrewfblack put a bunch of his left over Mer Flyers, Stickers, and stuff from Conferances in trash yesterday | 05:39 | |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 05:40 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer51, with it open it should dry in 24 hours in front of a heater | 05:40 |
| johnx | andrewfblack, heh. I have a pile of maemo amsterdam stickers :) | 05:40 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, what's drying going to do if the corrosion has already occurred? | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | johnx: unlikely | 05:40 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: ever seen FreeSWITCH? :P | 05:41 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer51, ok. it sounds like we both have anecdotal evidence. so how should we settle it? rock, paper, scissors? | 05:41 |
| johnx | Termana, it's going to make it so your board doesn't short out :P | 05:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bet on Termana's device being borked? :-D | 05:42 |
| johnx | luke-jr_, uhm, no? | 05:42 |
| luke-jr_ | johnx: they bundle like 25 libraries almost all with non-upstreamed patching done ;) | 05:42 |
| johnx | Termana, had it in front of a space heater for 24 hours? | 05:42 |
| johnx | DocScrutinizer51, it could have blown fuses the second it hit water for all I know | 05:43 |
| ieatlint | we should take bets on whether Termana's phone is dead | 05:43 |
| luke-jr_ | ieatlint: I'll bet it's dead… at the moment XD | 05:43 |
| luke-jr_ | anyhow, gotta run… should be back more soon though ☺ | 05:44 |
| luke-jr_ | gotta finish unpacking stuff first | 05:44 |
| luke-jr_ | night | 05:44 |
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| njsf | Found the issue with Ovi store link: Hide User agent... ;) | 05:44 |
| andrewfblack | Termana: what happened your N900 | 05:44 |
| Proteous | hmm, 1.3 messed up my phone | 05:44 |
| javispedro | argh!! | 05:45 |
| javispedro | non-optified gdb in extras ... | 05:45 |
| johnx | Proteous, how did you install it? and in what way is it 'messed up'? | 05:45 |
| Proteous | ova install | 05:45 |
| ieatlint | luke-jr_: night | 05:45 |
| johnx | Proteous, app manager or apt-get? | 05:46 |
| Termana | andrewfblack, while I was sleeping, my young brother decided to put it in some water for an undetermined amount of time | 05:46 |
| Proteous | looks like a lot of the system buttons are not there, just don't show up or show up as broken images | 05:46 |
| ieatlint | ouch | 05:46 |
| Proteous | app manager | 05:46 |
| andrewfblack | Termana: how young is the brother? | 05:46 |
| johnx | Proteous, are you using a 3rd-party theme? | 05:46 |
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| ieatlint | young enough that no one will notice he's gone? | 05:46 |
| Proteous | all the buttons in the browser controls, like stop, reload, laod | 05:46 |
| Termana | andrewfblack, 5 | 05:47 |
| Termana | ieatlint, :p | 05:47 |
| Proteous | johnx: no just one of the build in ones | 05:47 |
| andrewfblack | Termana: well I guess he gets to get away with it | 05:47 |
| johnx | if it was me, I'd try switching themes and rebooting, just for fun | 05:47 |
| johnx | but first backup, just in case it gets worse/unbootable | 05:47 |
| Proteous | when I try switch themes the settings app crashes | 05:48 |
| johnx | Proteous, backup | 05:48 |
| Proteous | roger that | 05:48 |
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| Termana | andrewfblack, unfortunately :p But it's my birthday soon, so I'll use any birthday money I get and Christmas money, and hopefully I'll have enough to buy another one (since they are going cheap now :p) | 05:49 |
| Termana | So I guess at least he didn't do it during the start or middle of the year :p | 05:49 |
| javispedro | you should be thankful | 05:50 |
| Termana | heh | 05:50 |
| javispedro | offer him in sacrifice to the gods in exchange for such good luck | 05:50 |
| johnx | Termana, this entitles you to dunk the first phone he buys with his own money, then to say "now we're even" | 05:50 |
| Termana | johnx, the first phone he buys probably won't be $600 of hard earned cash :P | 05:51 |
| ieatlint | yes, i also support keeping a 10 year grudge and then reprising | 05:52 |
| Termana | ieatlint, but only because it's an N900. Anything else and you wouldn't be in favour. | 05:52 |
| johnx | meh. doesn't have to be the first one, really. or even a phone at all. it's just important that he never see it coming | 05:52 |
| ieatlint | oh no, i lack any sense of ethics | 05:53 |
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| johnx | huh. I wonder if even the most high-end phones will be the equivalent of $600, ten years from now | 05:53 |
| Termana | johnx, it's looping at the dots | 05:53 |
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| johnx | ieatlint, a fellow sysadmin? | 05:53 |
| Termana | johnx, (with tv out) | 05:54 |
| ieatlint | johnx: haha, nah.. but it seems all my friends and even SO are sysadmins, so i guess it's had some effect | 05:54 |
| johnx | stuck? or rebooting? | 05:54 |
| Termana | johnx, and it tells me that all telephony functions are disabled due to a communications error | 05:54 |
| johnx | ieatlint, read any BOFH? | 05:54 |
| Termana | johnx, stuck | 05:54 |
| johnx | Termana, yeah, that doesn't sound great | 05:55 |
| Termana | johnx, it's the only reason to read The Register | 05:55 |
| Termana | :p | 05:55 |
| johnx | you didn't answer me earlier: did you put it, open in front of a heater for 24h? | 05:55 |
| ieatlint | johnx: not so much | 05:55 |
| SpeedEvil | An unscrupulous person would get phone insurance, and wait a month. | 05:55 |
| ieatlint | SpeedEvil: they'd verify the imei | 05:55 |
| Termana | johnx, I only just opened it | 05:56 |
| johnx | Termana, well, you might have just killed it | 05:56 |
| SpeedEvil | You can - at least here - buy phone insurance for your purchased phone | 05:56 |
| Termana | johnx, I had it in a bag of rice for 3 days before that | 05:57 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, that is what an unscrupulous person would do | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Rice does essentially nothin | 05:57 |
| SpeedEvil | g | 05:57 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, however I, unlike you and ieatlint, have ethics and morals | 05:57 |
| johnx | I've always been a fan of open it and apply warmth, but it's your phone :) | 05:57 |
| ieatlint | give it time, they'll go away | 05:58 |
| Termana | johnx, I think it's God's phone now | 05:58 |
| Termana | :p | 05:58 |
| johnx | ieatlint, yeah, I was halfway through typing that ... | 05:58 |
| ieatlint | :) | 05:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Termana: I diddn't say I would do the above. | 05:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: heh, is the connection good, to god? | 06:01 |
| johnx | ieatlint, BOFH (bastard operator from hell), is basically the training manual for sysadmins. (start reading here if you're interested: http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard01.php ) | 06:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: probably your brother had to drown the phone in holy water, otherwise it won't correctly connect to god's network | 06:02 |
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| ieatlint | hah, i've heard enough sysadmin horror stories to last me a while | 06:04 |
| ieatlint | and i've dealt with a number myself | 06:04 |
| internetishard | Hey, can the n900 plug into usb flash drives yet? | 06:05 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, heh | 06:05 |
| Termana | I'm surprised no one has screamed at me to wait for the N9 instead of buying another N900 :p | 06:05 |
| Termana | At least some people have some sense | 06:05 |
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| andrewfblack | Termana: would send you my N900 if I owned it :) | 06:06 |
| johnx | Termana, your money :) | 06:08 |
| johnx | plus, the N9 sounds like 2011 | 06:08 |
| Termana | johnx, 2011 is basically when I'll be getting the n900 anyway | 06:09 |
| Termana | andrewfblack, thanks anyway ;) | 06:10 |
| johnx | you should wait for the N9 | 06:10 |
| Termana | johnx, you got to really scream it | 06:10 |
| johnx | meh | 06:10 |
| Termana | johnx, like you're from t.m.o | 06:10 |
| andrewfblack | GET N(!! | 06:10 |
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| johnx | that smacks of effort | 06:10 |
| rpgdude | whats better, witter or kweeteur? | 06:11 |
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| Proteous | johnx, okay, backup completed, should I just reflash it? or do you think there is a way to fix it | 06:16 |
| johnx | no ideas off the top of my head ... | 06:16 |
| Proteous | heh | 06:16 |
| Proteous | okay | 06:17 |
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| internetishard | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/h-e-n have any of you tried this hostmode? The biggest thread on it said it was continuing discussion "somewhere else"... | 06:17 |
| johnx | I seem to remember something about there being some way to regenerate the icon cache | 06:17 |
| Proteous | I keep getting popups that the calendar app closed | 06:17 |
| johnx | also, might be worth trying a reboot, just for fun | 06:17 |
| Proteous | yeah, i did a reboot | 06:17 |
| Proteous | seems there is a lot of stuff that is fuxored | 06:17 |
| Proteous | the browser loaded engadget super fast though | 06:18 |
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| Proteous | which is cool, lol | 06:18 |
| johnx | I could believe that some apps won't behave right without their icons | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | internetishard: see | 06:18 |
| johnx | but yeah, reflashing is probably easiest in the long run | 06:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~hostmode | 06:18 |
| infobot | methinks hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 | 06:18 |
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| internetishard | yeah, exact post I'm on heh | 06:19 |
| Proteous | even the stuff like the buttons/icons along the top of the home screen are not there | 06:19 |
| johnx | did you do some optifying by hand before the upgrade? | 06:19 |
| Proteous | no | 06:19 |
| Proteous | I don't have very many apps installed on it | 06:19 |
| johnx | could you see if opt is even mounted? | 06:20 |
| Proteous | looks like it is | 06:21 |
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| johnx | at this point, you could start digging around in the terminal (start in /usr/share/icons) or reflash | 06:22 |
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| internetishard | Okay, by the looks of h-e-n there hasn't been any progress since sep23rd | 06:26 |
| * johnx sleeps | 06:29 | |
| pronto | no sleep! | 06:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | internetishard: which progress would you expect to see? | 06:38 |
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| internetishard | Just posts about what the people messing with it are getting | 06:41 |
| internetishard | I guess | 06:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | you seen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=843060#post843060 ? | 06:42 |
| internetishard | yep | 06:42 |
| internetishard | but mostly the 100page thread, I'll reada through this one nwo | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget the 100page thread | 06:43 |
| internetishard | I did, just read the last pages | 06:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | except if you're interested in joining the team and really understand how hostmode works | 06:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw my last edit in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=843060#post843060 is of 2010-10-18 | 06:44 |
| internetishard | hey, cool, thanks | 06:45 |
| internetishard | You're joerg_rw? | 06:45 |
| javispedro | hmm | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~joerg | 06:45 |
| infobot | rumour has it, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 06:45 |
| javispedro | the pulseaudio stuff is quite noticeable on pr1.3 | 06:45 |
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| internetishard | lolz | 06:45 |
| javispedro | specially when using otherwise cpu-bounded applications that have to go through PA (emulators, etc.) | 06:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: define "noticeable" | 06:46 |
| javispedro | perceptible | 06:46 |
| javispedro | visually. | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | so a bad thing? | 06:46 |
| javispedro | no, in the good sense. | 06:47 |
| javispedro | PA's CPU usage has been reduced | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah | 06:47 |
| javispedro | with an improved mixing algorithm or some other black magic | 06:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 06:47 |
| javispedro | so, say, if PA uses 2% cpu less, my emu just got 2% more cpu time :) | 06:48 |
| javispedro | net result is: faster emu. | 06:48 |
| javispedro | (visually) | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | You can see 2%? | 06:48 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: the 2% is invented | 06:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 06:48 |
| javispedro | well, cya. | 06:49 |
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| rokr1 | anyone home ?? | 07:03 |
| chx | No. I am at a Mexican restaurant, for example. | 07:03 |
| rokr1 | Guys does BP-4L fit in N900 | 07:04 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 07:04 |
| rokr1 | N810 battery ?? | 07:04 |
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| chx | um | 07:05 |
| chx | sure | 07:05 |
| chx | you only need to bend the rules of physics | 07:06 |
| chx | it's not a big deal | 07:06 |
| chx | the BP-4L battery is bigger than the compartment. | 07:06 |
| rokr1 | ok | 07:07 |
| ieatlint | chx: oooh, i want 3 carne asada tacos | 07:07 |
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| ieatlint | hrm... have strong urge to go to a taqueria now.. damn you. | 07:07 |
| rokr1 | eat lint | 07:08 |
| rokr1 | lint eater | 07:08 |
| ieatlint | don't hate | 07:08 |
| rokr1 | brute force you | 07:08 |
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| rokr1 | i am still feeling sleepy | 07:09 |
| ieatlint | bah, you can't brute force me that well | 07:09 |
| spinningcompass | ieatlint: That's what she said | 07:09 |
| ieatlint | spinningcompass: no, it's what he said at the bear bar | 07:09 |
| * spinningcompass shudders | 07:09 | |
| rokr1 | do u know !! N900 has password generator | 07:10 |
| ieatlint | and he was wrong | 07:10 |
| ieatlint | so very wrong | 07:10 |
| rokr1 | type apg (works in easydebian) | 07:10 |
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| ieatlint | i'm voting right now | 07:11 |
| ieatlint | apparently a judge that advocates racial profiling as an effective way to combat terrorism is up for re-election | 07:11 |
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| Termana | ieatlint, don't need to tell us which way you're voting then | 07:13 |
| Termana | :p | 07:13 |
| rokr1 | infobot :Combat Terrorism is a banned subject | 07:13 |
| infobot | okay, rokr1 | 07:13 |
| ieatlint | hah | 07:13 |
| rokr1 | lol | 07:13 |
| spinningcompass | rokr1: What about rainbows? | 07:13 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that was as far as i was going to take it actually :P | 07:13 |
| rokr1 | thats artillery shell | 07:14 |
| rokr1 | spinning compass | 07:14 |
| rokr1 | or ICBM | 07:14 |
| Termana | rokr1, so tell me, is it Combat Terrorism that is banned or Combat(ing) Terrorism that is banned? | 07:14 |
| Termana | :p | 07:14 |
| rokr1 | hypothetical question | 07:15 |
| spinningcompass | synthetic answer | 07:15 |
| rokr1 | tell me | 07:15 |
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| spinningcompass | rokr1: Wait, are you asking me? | 07:16 |
| Termana | Is that the question? | 07:16 |
| rokr1 | pvanhoof | 07:16 |
| rokr1 | welcome | 07:16 |
| Termana | Ok, I'll tell me pvanhoof | 07:16 |
| Termana | you | 07:16 |
| Termana | rokr1, pvanhoof | 07:16 |
| Termana | now will answer the question? :p | 07:16 |
| spinningcompass | I'm so confused. | 07:17 |
| rokr1 | go to sleep spinning GPS | 07:17 |
| Termana | spinningcompass, that's what happens when you spin around so much | 07:17 |
| spinningcompass | Termana: Bah. I'm stationary. Y'all are spinning. The Catholic Church told me so. | 07:17 |
| rokr1 | hey i thing they told u about our solar system | 07:18 |
| spinningcompass | rokr1: Solar system? Pin pricks in the firmament! Bah... | 07:18 |
| rokr1 | probably | 07:18 |
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| rokr1 | love the music in rouge assassin | 07:19 |
| rokr1 | specific music | 07:19 |
| Termana | ~religion | 07:20 |
| infobot | it has been said that religion is the opiate of the masses, or believing in invisible idiots in the sky | 07:20 |
| Termana | spinningcompass, that's what I think of your Catholic Church | 07:21 |
| Termana | :p | 07:21 |
| rokr1 | good info | 07:21 |
| * spinningcompass snickers | 07:21 | |
| rokr1 | no offence | 07:21 |
| rokr1 | chill down we are a community | 07:21 |
| rokr1 | :) | 07:21 |
| Termana | rokr1, someone stole the temperature gauge | 07:22 |
| Termana | :p | 07:22 |
| rokr1 | nice | 07:22 |
| rokr1 | i know who | 07:22 |
| rokr1 | ! | 07:22 |
| rokr1 | but i wont tell | 07:22 |
| Termana | rokr1, beat them up. And take their lunch money too | 07:22 |
| Termana | Because we are just that nice | 07:22 |
| rokr1 | i said community not mafia family | 07:23 |
| Termana | We'll even take the weight out of your pocket by removing the money from it | 07:23 |
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| Termana | rokr1, every community has a serial killer | 07:24 |
| rokr1 | damn wats the difference between Pacifist and Optimist ?? | 07:24 |
| rokr1 | i guess u r one ofem | 07:24 |
| Termana | rokr1, the two are unrelated | 07:25 |
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| Termana | rokr1, a pacifist is someone who opposes war or violence. An optimist is someone who always takes a positive outlook on somethign | 07:26 |
| Termana | something* | 07:26 |
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| rokr1 | pacifist believes in no war (no border), Optimist believes that Pacifist can change the world | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: now what's your diagnosis for that? | 07:26 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, Myrtti: I don't know about me, but rokr1 has been smoking the peace pipe | 07:27 |
| rokr1 | Noble cause for Noble prize :P | 07:28 |
| rokr1 | these days these two words are for Nobel prizes | 07:28 |
| Termana | also | 07:28 |
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| rokr1 | think of it when a person joins the room here... | 07:28 |
| Termana | spinningcompass, snickers is a chocolate bar. You snigger, not snicker | 07:29 |
| rokr1 | he would think is this a Maemo channel or wat | 07:29 |
| Termana | spinningcompass, racist, just because snickers is black | 07:29 |
| spinningcompass | Termana: No, I snicker. Please don't try to correct my English unless you know what you're doing. :) | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict snicker | 07:29 |
| infobot | i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at /home/ibot/infobot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. | 07:29 |
| rokr1 | especially Mr.hardaker2 and budfive (oow) | 07:29 |
| Termana | ~dict snigger | 07:29 |
| spinningcompass | termana: You're very sweet, but 'snicker' is in the Oxford American English Dictionary. | 07:29 |
| infobot | i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at /home/ibot/infobot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?! | 07:30 |
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| TermanaDesire | spinningcompass: sweet? Like Snickers? | 07:31 |
| spinningcompass | TermanaDesire: If I wanted to confront a nutty little bar of chocolate, I'd ask your father to drop his pants. ;) | 07:31 |
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| TermanaDesire | spinningcompass: too bad my father is dead then isn't it ;) | 07:32 |
| spinningcompass | TermanaDesire: No, I mean your biological father. | 07:32 |
| TermanaDesire | Yes he's dead | 07:32 |
| spinningcompass | TermanaDesire: Your mother didn't tell you, did she? | 07:33 |
| spinningcompass | (This is where you say, "She told me enough. She told me you killed him.") | 07:33 |
| rokr1 | Now that spinningCompass is out of his mind TermanaDesire will hack spinningcompass and change his desktop wallpaper with stinkers | 07:34 |
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| TermanaDesire | spinningcompass: and then you say "luke^w^w termana I am your father" | 07:34 |
| rokr1 | ohh, tears came out of my eyes | 07:35 |
| * spinningcompass snookis | 07:35 | |
| TermanaDesire | spinningcompass: I already knew what was coming ;p | 07:35 |
| rokr1 | hey come on so termana and spinning have u guys installed the PR1.3 | 07:35 |
| rokr1 | ? | 07:35 |
| rokr1 | OTA or using flasher | 07:35 |
| spinningcompass | rokr1: I'm sorry, I haven't. | 07:36 |
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| TermanaDesire | rokr1: my n900 is dead at the moment. No PR nothing for me at the moment I'm afraid | 07:38 |
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| rokr1 | bad wat did u do with the baby | 07:38 |
| rokr1 | Termana | 07:38 |
| TermanaDesire | rokr1: its not what I did its what my little brother did. Dunked it in water while I was asleep | 07:42 |
| rokr1 | its a Intentional breach | 07:42 |
| rokr1 | does u r little bro have a mobile | 07:42 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 07:43 |
| rokr1 | termana | 07:43 |
| rokr1 | For the sake of retaliation,................. do the same | 07:43 |
| rokr1 | :P | 07:43 |
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| TermanaDesire | rokr1: he's 5 so no he doesn't | 07:44 |
| rokr1 | oh so bad | 07:44 |
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| rokr1 | did u do a CPR for the N900 | 07:45 |
| rokr1 | removing the battery bla bla bla | 07:45 |
| TermanaDesire | rokr1: yes I tried reviving it | 07:46 |
| TermanaDesire | rokr1: I did not blow into it and compress it's chest however | 07:46 |
| rokr1 | if u have a CRT TV still like me keep the phone over its picture tube and be crouch potato | 07:47 |
| rokr1 | sorry couch potato | 07:49 |
| rokr1 | typo | 07:49 |
| rokr1 | :P | 07:49 |
| rokr1 | Autobot crouch its a bad word | 07:50 |
| rokr1 | Activist : If a girl dont kiss u, First know that she cannot swim | 07:53 |
| rokr1 | then plan a attack | 07:54 |
| rokr1 | muhahaha | 07:54 |
| rokr1 | i am the most active person here | 07:54 |
| rokr1 | ! | 07:54 |
| rokr1 | have u guys tried SHR on N900 ?? | 07:57 |
| rokr1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=related | 07:57 |
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| ieatlint | wow, the guy who made that video is a special kind of masochist | 08:00 |
| spinningcompass | neat | 08:00 |
| rokr1 | N900 has potential | 08:00 |
| rokr1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxXljCXbDQ&NR=1 | 08:00 |
| rokr1 | now thats wat i call cooool | 08:01 |
| rokr1 | still if it had multituch | 08:02 |
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| rokr1 | there are just few good games on N900 | 08:04 |
| rokr1 | something like arcade | 08:04 |
| rokr1 | need some action games | 08:04 |
| rokr1 | native apps | 08:04 |
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| ech0Asus | anyone heard of firesheep? was wondering if it would be possible to have that ported for the n900's firefox? lol looks awesomely fun.. | 08:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: why is toaster a masochist? | 08:18 |
| ieatlint | i guess i just have some interesting memories of shr | 08:19 |
| ieatlint | awesome hobbyist thing... but .. err.. yeah | 08:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, those ~6 hobbyists have done a marvelous job in a few weeks, especially when I compare this to meego pace and progress vs number of people working non-hobbyist on it | 08:23 |
| ieatlint | that doesn't surprise me somehow | 08:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not starting to compare/compete SHR with Meego, but nevertheless | 08:24 |
| ieatlint | many of the people working on openmoko were very awesome and competent | 08:24 |
| Appiah | I can't reach maemo talk >_> | 08:24 |
| RST38h | what hobbyists? | 08:24 |
| wmarone | Appiah: it's down | 08:24 |
| Appiah | ah | 08:24 |
| ieatlint | don't confuse me calling him a masochism with criticism | 08:24 |
| RST38h | OpenMoko hobbyists? Don't make me laugh... | 08:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | mornin | 08:24 |
| ieatlint | err, masochist, bleh | 08:25 |
| RST38h | mourning, Mohammad | 08:25 |
| ieatlint | RST38h: hey, come one, they've produced more linux phones than nokia has :P | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | memoosmoh | 08:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | mournin? lol | 08:25 |
| RST38h | ieatlint: did any of those work? | 08:25 |
| ieatlint | define work :P | 08:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I doubt | 08:25 |
| * RST38h sighs | 08:26 | |
| ieatlint | i made phone calls, sent/received sms and used data on the freerunner | 08:26 |
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| ieatlint | occasionally i even received phone calls | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | only good thing about the FR was it's gps chip | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:27 |
| * Stskeeps grabs his coffee | 08:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 08:27 |
| ieatlint | provided you didn't have a µsd card in place :P | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | fixed in 2008 | 08:27 |
| ieatlint | yeah yeah, it was fixed, i know | 08:27 |
| ieatlint | but we're making cheap shots here | 08:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and I make a cheap coffee to go to bed now | 08:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: actually the best thing of FR was the wolfson audio codec | 08:30 |
| rokr1 | yay, reflashed the firmware + eMMC | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | i liked the gps because i got a from-cold fix inside what i'd normally call impossible conditions :P | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: and the battery :-P | 08:31 |
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| RST38h | ...and it occassionally received calls, even! | 08:32 |
| ieatlint | yeah, it had some fun stuff | 08:32 |
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| sejo | hmm is there a changelog for the latest update? | 08:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope :-( | 08:32 |
| ieatlint | plus it was the second phone and first non-google phone to run android :P | 08:32 |
| rokr1 | y is :P for | 08:33 |
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| rokr1 | currently my phone i optifying | 08:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: and the official successor of Trolltech's greenphone | 08:34 |
| ieatlint | ah... qtopia | 08:35 |
| ieatlint | funny stuff | 08:35 |
| rokr1 | its faster than before | 08:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, HELL - they OC'd it :-P | 08:38 |
| rokr1 | PR1.3 does it have flash 10?? | 08:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 08:39 |
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| sejo | does it contain the promised meego dual boot? | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's never been any such promise | 08:40 |
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| ieatlint | sejo: reliable sources indicate that a meego 1.1 image will be produced soon, and released for the n900 with an update u-boot package to allow dual booting -- however, meego 1.1 is not even out yet | 08:41 |
| rokr1 | same words Doc | 08:41 |
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| sejo | ieatlint: thx! | 08:42 |
| ieatlint | still, no promises have been made, but i'd bet on it | 08:42 |
| sejo | DocScrutinizer: then i misunderstood | 08:42 |
| rokr1 | http://meego.com/community/blogs/harrihakulinen/2010/meego-calling-n900 | 08:42 |
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| ieatlint | rokr1: you can't trust an article that starts off with such a terrible pun like "ameegos" | 08:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PR1.3 comes with fixed kexec, to boot another linux. But meego is far ahead of this, planning to do chainloading into u-Boot and from there a *real* multiboot | 08:43 |
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| Scifi | Hi | 08:44 |
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| rokr1 | emmc update added 1GB more | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | in fact Nokia never even announced any kind of official meego for N900 - this effectively precludes any PRx.y coming with meego dual boot | 08:47 |
| Scifi | Updated to PR1.3 today. There is no sound when I place or receive calls from N900. Other parties can't hear me, I can't hear them. But system sounds and music player etc are working fine. | 08:47 |
| Scifi | How can I troubleshoot? | 08:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 08:47 |
| ohwhyme | damn DocScrutinizer u still awake :p | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm never asleep | 08:48 |
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| ohwhyme | i cant sleep i have to reinstall everyhing :o | 08:49 |
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| sejo | bleh I updated but still can't access ovi store | 08:51 |
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| sejo | maemo installed version: 20.2010.36-2 | 08:54 |
| sejo | is that the latest? | 08:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 08:54 |
| Termana | Who's been playing with the network cables again? | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ur bro | 08:54 |
| ZogG | lol sms bug is funny | 08:55 |
| ZogG | nokia fails =) | 08:55 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I suppose he thought water would increase the connection speed | 08:55 |
| ZogG | X-Fade, ping | 08:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: ?? | 08:55 |
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| ZogG | ~bug 11450 | 08:56 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's | 08:56 |
| Scifi | False alarm, rebooting twice fixed the phone audio problem for me. | 08:56 |
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| rokr1 | is there any way to recover if some one forgets the lock code ?? | 08:59 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Ping | 08:59 |
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| Stskeeps | pong | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | am a little tired, be warned :) | 09:00 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Tried to update some of my themes but builder isn't working first ones I've done since Pr 1.2 the template should work fine right | 09:01 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 | 09:02 |
| povbot | Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's | 09:02 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: isn't it morning there | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: yes, but didn't sleep so well | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | 8am atm | 09:02 |
| ZogG | rokr1 flash i suppose | 09:02 |
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| rokr1 | no | 09:03 |
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| rokr1 | i did a thorough flash | 09:04 |
| rokr1 | even emmc | 09:04 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: get me an error? | 09:04 |
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| andrewfblack | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/maemo-org_2.0/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | there's something wrong with your debian/changelog | 09:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: daily wtf | 09:09 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: that is what I thought but there isn't much in there but a date name and version number | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | pastebin it | 09:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ZogG: maemo QA seems suboptimal | 09:11 |
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| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/Jsx5vd3s | 09:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I really wonder if Nokia finally is going to adopt a less major release centric bugfix scheme | 09:13 |
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| raster | bugs bah | 09:14 |
| raster | dont worry about fixing bugs | 09:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | raster: yeah, who cares. Even about such nonsense like SMS | 09:15 |
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| raster | :) | 09:15 |
| raster | speaking of bugs | 09:15 |
| raster | does meego work yet? | 09:15 |
| raster | :) | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea | 09:15 |
| raster | (as that seems to be your implication.. that meego *IS* the bugfix for maemo) :) | 09:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ask Stskeeps | 09:16 |
| mece | raster, depends on what you mean by "works" | 09:16 |
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| Appiah | meego is for "developers only" so yes it "WORKS" | 09:16 |
| raster | mece: makes and receives calls.. without needing a cmd-line | 09:16 |
| raster | sends and gets sms's | 09:16 |
| raster | data sessions work | 09:16 |
| raster | wifi works | 09:16 |
| raster | (all of these from the gui) | 09:16 |
| mece | raster, yes it does. | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | except for data sessions | 09:16 |
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| raster | and it does run like continental drift | 09:16 |
| andrewfblack | raster: would be cooler to make phone calls with cmd line I think | 09:17 |
| Termana | raster, does? | 09:17 |
| mece | raster, not then builds I've been testing :D | 09:17 |
| Termana | raster, don't you mean doesn't | 09:17 |
| raster | (ie things start up in fast/reasonable times and respond pretty well - not meaning totally optimised, but nicely usably fast) | 09:17 |
| Appiah | can you make phone calls on maemo from cli? | 09:17 |
| Termana | The continental drift is slow | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: check debian/changelog to verify your form - maybe you have windows line endings | 09:17 |
| Appiah | if yes I'm gonna start sshing to my n900.. | 09:17 |
| mece | haha... | 09:17 |
| raster | Termana: yeah | 09:17 |
| mece | right | 09:17 |
| raster | meant doesnt run like continental drift | 09:17 |
| mece | I was thinking of "steady" | 09:17 |
| raster | :) | 09:17 |
| Termana | mece, I this would be a case of slow and steady NOT winning the race ;) :P | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Appiah: check phonecontrol | 09:18 |
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| raster | hwhe | 09:18 |
| raster | mece: so its working eh? | 09:18 |
| andrewfblack | Stskeeps: I opened change log file on windows to change something, version number but normally that doesn't stop it in the past. I'll remake file on ubuntu when I get home | 09:18 |
| Appiah | DocScrutinizer51: application? wiki? script? what? :) | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | milshake | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | raster: want to see a video? | 09:19 |
| raster | sure! | 09:19 |
| raster | SFW? | 09:19 |
| raster | :) | 09:19 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control got it | 09:19 |
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| Stskeeps | raster: fairly | 09:19 |
| raster | cool | 09:19 |
| raster | just was feeling curious as to where meego is at right now | 09:20 |
| Appiah | guess I'll write a wrapper.. | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | raster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded <- app launch time is a bit slow still as we don't do any kind of startup time boosting and there's a known touchscreen issue we're investigating (n900 specific) | 09:20 |
| mece | raster, Boot time:46s Browser start time:6.5s Audio player start time:4s Video player start time:4s | 09:20 |
| raster | as it seems no phones for this year at least | 09:20 |
| raster | Stskeeps: ok. | 09:20 |
| mece | Current 1.1 build has slower ui but faster app launch.. | 09:21 |
| Myrtti | welcome to #meego! | 09:21 |
| raster | looks to be doing much better than maemo 5 | 09:22 |
| Appiah | :) | 09:22 |
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| raster | tho 4s startup tim... thats far from impressive :( | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | of course not, but we don't do any kind of optimization | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | get stuff working first, then optimize | 09:23 |
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| raster | i suspect your sgx drivers have had a bit of work done to them there | 09:24 |
| raster | :) | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's newer sgx drivers with dri2 and vsync, yes | 09:25 |
| raster | that'd explain some of it | 09:25 |
| raster | :) | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | there's a problem with dri2 so it's not integrated yet | 09:25 |
| raster | still in a measly 16bpp? | 09:25 |
| raster | dialler looks like arse tho :) | 09:25 |
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| raster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=din0nnEIUUo&feature=related | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 09:26 |
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| raster | well its coming along | 09:26 |
| raster | not there yet though | 09:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dialers MUST look like arse | 09:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | always | 09:27 |
| raster | hahaha | 09:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and so far everybody following this law | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | raster: if you're a real man, you don't see/understand more than a max of 4-bit colors anyway, so pfft. :P | 09:28 |
| raster | Stskeeps: hahahahhahahahha | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gnhnhnhaha | 09:28 |
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| chx | hrm really good question, how do i make a phone call on the n900 :P | 09:28 |
| * raster huggles his 32bit pixels | 09:29 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | dithering FTW :-P | 09:29 |
| raster | ugh | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | floyd steinberg | 09:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | XP | 09:29 |
| raster | uuuughhhhhhh | 09:29 |
| raster | never use that | 09:29 |
| raster | not for a live ui | 09:30 |
| raster | u should always use ordered | 09:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just kidding | 09:30 |
| raster | for 16bpp u can get away witha tiny ordered dither mask and not notice | 09:30 |
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| raster | tho a nice 128x128 mask makes orders LOOk like FS | 09:30 |
| raster | with some nice gaussian randomisation added to it | 09:30 |
| raster | awesome trick | 09:30 |
| raster | but still | 09:30 |
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| raster | dithering... cheating :)( | 09:31 |
| raster | :) | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yo | 09:31 |
| kerio | i want 32bpp! | 09:31 |
| kerio | full color plus alpha | 09:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and a PITA as well | 09:31 |
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| TriztFromWork | ~pr1.3 | 09:32 |
| infobot | methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 09:32 |
| chx | oooo Pre games on our baby | 09:32 |
| TriztFromWork | Hate that OTA don't work | 09:35 |
| mece | TriztFromWork, ota works fine. | 09:35 |
| Appiah | worksforme! | 09:36 |
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| TriztFromWork | hasn't work for me on the last 1.2 nor 1.3 | 09:36 |
| Appiah | strange, both for me | 09:36 |
| Appiah | what problems do you get? | 09:36 |
| TriztFromWork | it just says OTA won't work when I have selecte update all | 09:37 |
| Appiah | if you just select maemo5 | 09:37 |
| Appiah | and not update all | 09:37 |
| wmarone | probably have a package conflict | 09:37 |
| TriztFromWork | I can try | 09:37 |
| Appiah | maybe you have some extra packages conflicting? | 09:37 |
| Appiah | it should say | 09:37 |
| mece | you can see which packages conflicts in "details" | 09:38 |
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| * TriztFromWork hates the slowness for checking update | 09:38 | |
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| TriztFromWork | tried to just update maemo package, "Can't install this system update over the air." and only option is to "open backup" | 09:41 |
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| TriztFromWork | Hmm, Conflicts with perl 5.8.3 | 09:43 |
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| TriztFromWork | anyone have a solution for the perl conflict? | 09:46 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Out of curiosity, has anyone gotten MicroB from Maemo5 working on a normal desktop Linux install? Like, for a tablet PC? I noticed there were i386 packages available and all... | 09:46 |
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| TriztFromWork | I have perl 5.8.3-3osso10 installed and it seemns to conflict with the version coming with pr1.3, how do I temporarily downgrade perl? | 09:50 |
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| RobbieThe1st | 1. uninstall it. 2. install pr1.3 3. install perl again | 09:52 |
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| JackaLX | I'm having a problem flashing a N810 with RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. It says "Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed!". Googling found lots of people who got this error, but I didn't find any solutions. Can anyone help me? | 09:52 |
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| JackaLX | cmdline I used... ./flasher-3.5 -F IMAGEFILE -f | 09:54 |
| Appiah | Are you running PR1.1 or PR1.2 ? | 09:56 |
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| Appiah | "I was using the wrong image! | 09:57 |
| Appiah | Got the right one and all is good." | 09:57 |
| JackaLX | Appiah: was that directed at me? | 09:57 |
| Appiah | yupp | 09:57 |
| Appiah | oh | 09:57 |
| Appiah | a N810 :D | 09:57 |
| JackaLX | Appiah: ok, so how would I tell? | 09:57 |
| JackaLX | yes | 09:57 |
| Appiah | no friggin idea about n810 and the OS there | 09:58 |
| JackaLX | k | 09:58 |
| Appiah | only had the n900 sorry | 09:58 |
| JackaLX | thanks, anyway | 09:58 |
| JackaLX | anybody else? | 09:58 |
| Appiah | but I think the problem still applies, you might just have downloaded the wrong image | 09:58 |
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| LukasT | Hello, my N900 noticed new Maemo update, but it wants to connect to my PC through PC Nokia Suite | 09:59 |
| JackaLX | Appiah: any idea as to how I could tell if it is the right image or not? | 09:59 |
| LukasT | I'm on Linux Desktop | 09:59 |
| LukasT | does it work with Virtual Box? | 09:59 |
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| Appiah | well where did you get the image JackaLX ? | 10:00 |
| JackaLX | nokia | 10:00 |
| TriztFromWork | FYI: Someone else who would happen to get a perl conflict when upgrading to pt1.3 OTA, do an "apt-get install perl" and seem to resolve the conflict | 10:00 |
| Appiah | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N800.2FN810 JackaLX been here? | 10:01 |
| JackaLX | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php to be precise | 10:01 |
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| JackaLX | Appiah: yup... nothing overly helpful there... tells you what to do, but not much about what to do if it goes pair-shaped :-) | 10:03 |
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| * crashanddie twitches | 10:23 | |
| RobbieThe1st | Dangit, can't someone fix the broken backup script tying up talk.maemo.org? | 10:23 |
| crashanddie | "Thank you for your patiense" | 10:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | It's getting annoying! | 10:23 |
| crashanddie | RobbieThe1st, I'm sure people are working on it | 10:24 |
| phellarv | Anyone: When I want a _completely_ fresh install of Maemo on my N900, I flash FIASCO, then eMMC without booting inbetween? | 10:24 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm hoping so | 10:25 |
| RobbieThe1st | phellarv: Yea | 10:25 |
| * TriztFromWork almost updated all the new packages, damn it takes time | 10:26 | |
| phellarv | RobbieThe1st: Thought so, just wanted a confirmation - thanks. | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | phellarv, I can't confirm if that's the order | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | phellarv, I would've said emmc first, though. | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, ping | 10:26 |
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| phellarv | "NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes." | 10:27 |
| phellarv | Found it | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | ah, well there you go | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | good on you for checking with another source though. | 10:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nope, that's nonsense for pr1.3 and before | 10:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | emmc first is the better alternative | 10:28 |
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| phellarv | DocScrutinizer51: Uh? | 10:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there might be some PR4.22 for which it's mandatory to flash bootloader in COMBINED before flashing eMMC, but for now this isn't the case | 10:30 |
| phellarv | DocScrutinizer51: So eMMC -> Fiasco? | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so flashing eMMC first has a lower probability to let you ruin your system by accidental boot | 10:31 |
| ghostcube | hi, is more than 50mb free space rquired for ota? | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you'll tell us | 10:32 |
| flux | ghostcube, apparently people with 66M free have succesfully upgraded, but I've heard a rumor of 34M being sufficient :-) | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | hmm i got 49 thats why iam asking heh | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | :) | 10:32 |
| Khertan | Morning all ! | 10:32 |
| ghostcube | will try the update later maybe, but i havent read something good about till now | 10:32 |
| Khertan | 60Mo was enough for me | 10:32 |
| Khertan | problem was mainly conflicting package | 10:33 |
| Khertan | ghostcube, qt4.7 | 10:33 |
| ghostcube | hmm ok | 10:33 |
| Khertan | ghostcube, fix qt scrolling bug | 10:33 |
| V-ille | no idea how much is enough, wants pc suite | 10:33 |
| Khertan | in kinetic scrolling | 10:33 |
| Khertan | V-ille, if it ask for space ... most of the time it s lie, it s just that there are some conflicting package you install from extras-devel | 10:34 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:34 |
| ghostcube | hmm ok i will backup my stuff and my spbrainevo data :D and try t3h update later at home | 10:34 |
| V-ille | it's not asking for space, it says it wants pc suite | 10:34 |
| Khertan | same :) | 10:34 |
| V-ille | oh great | 10:34 |
| ghostcube | btw why isnt apt-get dist-upgrade a good idea? | 10:35 |
| V-ille | let's see what apt-get says | 10:35 |
| Khertan | in HAM, in update | 10:35 |
| Khertan | click on the Maemo 5 update then details | 10:35 |
| Khertan | and you will see which package cause conflict | 10:35 |
| Khertan | but if you didn't install some package replacing some maemo part | 10:35 |
| Khertan | the cause could be libqt4-test | 10:36 |
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| Khertan | apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img | 10:37 |
| Khertan | apt-get remove libqt4-test | 10:37 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:37 |
| V-ille | so.. the update may have a conflict, but the update manager says "use pc suite"? | 10:37 |
| Khertan | exactly | 10:37 |
| V-ille | is the moron who caused this still working, or did his ass get fired? | 10:37 |
| ghostcube | :D | 10:38 |
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| jacekowski | ekhm | 10:38 |
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| jacekowski | it's linux | 10:38 |
| V-ille | so? | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | debian does worse things sometimes | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | or ubuntu | 10:38 |
| ghostcube | V-ille: if such morons would be fired ubuntu wont have any devs at all | 10:38 |
| Khertan | V-ille, i think the moron say ... if user are able to install extras-devel ... he should be able to resolv conflict | 10:38 |
| V-ille | debian doesn't say "use pc suite" | 10:38 |
| toggles | V-ille are you using extras-testing/devel? | 10:38 |
| ghostcube | jacekowski: hehe | 10:38 |
| V-ille | nokia code does | 10:38 |
| jacekowski | well, it's supposed to be user friendly | 10:39 |
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| jacekowski | i don't expect it to say - fix your dependencies manually | 10:39 |
| njsf | DocScrutinizer, how would I flash just the booloader from a COMBINED image ? | 10:39 |
| V-ille | it's very friendly indeed to give error messages that have nothing whatsoever to do with the problem | 10:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | njsf: not how, WHY? | 10:39 |
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| Khertan | V-ille, yeah ... it s worse i know | 10:39 |
| njsf | got a friend who was here earlier and his flashing of an image from Nokia on a N810 stopped at the bootloader | 10:40 |
| mece | V-ille, well it is nice enough to tell you which packages are conflicting, | 10:40 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: it does | 10:40 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: pcsuite will flash it and upgrade | 10:40 |
| V-ille | pc suite won't do any of that, as it doesn't support the platform on my pc | 10:40 |
| njsf | I think it may be related to the fact the sw-release on the device is "no version" . Know any way to overcome that ? | 10:40 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: because you have old version or something | 10:41 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: my version can flash it | 10:41 |
| njsf | would this be a cold flash with -c ? | 10:41 |
| jacekowski | no | 10:41 |
| V-ille | but of course the error message and whatnot is perfect, nokia never makes things hard to use | 10:41 |
| jacekowski | just normal flash | 10:41 |
| V-ille | jacekowski: it doesn't even run on linux, pc suite | 10:41 |
| jacekowski | you're looking for a problem where there is none | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | you have old pc suite | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | upgrade and then flash it | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | or do it with flasher | 10:42 |
| V-ille | old pc suite? | 10:42 |
| jacekowski | yes | 10:42 |
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| mc_teo | ~pr1.3 | 10:43 |
| infobot | from memory, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 10:43 |
| jacekowski | pc suite version i'm using ( and it's almost 6 months old ) can flash n900 | 10:43 |
| V-ille | where's the new one? why would I want to install it? does it run on linux? | 10:43 |
| V-ille | I don't need a pc suite to flash a device | 10:43 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 10:43 |
| V-ille | heh, the conflict was hildon-home-dbg | 10:43 |
| jacekowski | these are not packages from standard repository | 10:44 |
| Khertan | héhé | 10:44 |
| toggles | it appears he's the moron | 10:44 |
| Khertan | ;) | 10:44 |
| mc_teo | it | 10:45 |
| V-ille | or someone else is, as there are ways to resolve such conflicts on the device without asking me to use apps that don't exist | 10:45 |
| toggles | i wonder how many times he clicked the "this package may break your device" | 10:45 |
| * Khertan think he should port Khweeteur on ubuntu ... Gwibber is horribly slow ! | 10:45 | |
| V-ille | look, I know how to work around such problems, but the error message given was just daft | 10:46 |
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| Khertan | apt--get remove hildon-home-dbg | 10:46 |
| Khertan | apt-get remove hildon-home-dbg | 10:46 |
| V-ille | yes | 10:46 |
| V-ille | I know how to use apt-get | 10:46 |
| Khertan | so why did you ask ? | 10:46 |
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| V-ille | out of general amazement I suppose | 10:46 |
| Khertan | you use experimental package | 10:46 |
| Khertan | so everything normal ! | 10:47 |
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| jacekowski | V-ille: that message isn't for users that use non-standard repositories | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: and for users that know how to use apt | 10:48 |
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| V-ille | maybe the device should try harder, instead of whining for a pc to help it? | 10:48 |
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| toggles | so what you're saying is you want an iphone? | 10:49 |
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| jacekowski | it's using standard apt way of resolving dependencies | 10:49 |
| V-ille | so.. have the app manager slowdowns been fixed at all? | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | if you are using non standard repositories ( SDK repository is one of them ) | 10:49 |
| V-ille | thus far it's been unusable | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | and there was a lot of info how sdk repository breaks things | 10:49 |
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| Khertan | V-ille, you manually install a package ... so it didn't remove it automatically ... as you said you want it ... ham respect your choice | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | so you fucked it up and now you blame it on others | 10:50 |
| frals | ham is fine if you only use extras and ovi, which i guess was the purpose of it... unfortunately it becomes crap with more repos enabled :p | 10:50 |
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| V-ille | it's slow as hell even with only the default repos | 10:50 |
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| jacekowski | V-ille: that's because apt is slow | 10:51 |
| V-ille | no it isn't, it does apt-get updates when it shouldn't | 10:51 |
| V-ille | the app manager does that is | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | it doesnt | 10:51 |
| V-ille | sure it does | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | it's using apt-worker for that | 10:51 |
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| V-ille | well, even so, it updates the package info every time you install something, apparently | 10:51 |
| jacekowski | nope | 10:52 |
| V-ille | and the ui happily becomes completely unresponsive during it | 10:52 |
| jacekowski | just every time you open it | 10:52 |
| V-ille | oh, why does it become braindead after package installation then? | 10:52 |
| jacekowski | because it's loading installable package list | 10:53 |
| V-ille | "nope"? | 10:53 |
| jacekowski | update != load | 10:54 |
| V-ille | you seem to be slightly contradicting yourself :) | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | update means pulling package list from repository | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | loading installable package list means querying apt-worker for packages that are avaliable for installation | 10:54 |
| Khertan | and reading some information contain in the .deb file | 10:55 |
| Khertan | which is a compressed archive | 10:55 |
| V-ille | and freezing the UI :) | 10:55 |
| Khertan | like reading the icons | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: it doesn't have .deb file | 10:55 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: it's all read from Packages file | 10:55 |
| Khertan | oh yes ! | 10:55 |
| V-ille | otherwise the device works fine, the app manager is an abomination | 10:55 |
| Khertan | true | 10:56 |
| V-ille | it's downright embarrassing | 10:56 |
| * Khertan need cofee | 10:56 | |
| Khertan | :) | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: app manager on ubuntu works just as slow | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: but you have cpu that's 10x faster and more memory | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | so problem isn't so easy to notice | 10:56 |
| V-ille | excuses, excuses... | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | facts, facts... | 10:57 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, anyway ... did you know how the apple store works ? | 10:57 |
| Khertan | it s seems faster | 10:57 |
| jacekowski | yeah, it's all done server side | 10:57 |
| Khertan | ok | 10:57 |
| Khertan | this explain that | 10:57 |
| Khertan | :) | 10:57 |
| jacekowski | and then phone pulls ready .ipa package | 10:57 |
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| jacekowski | unpacks it | 10:57 |
| jacekowski | there is no dependencies atll | 10:57 |
| jacekowski | at all | 10:57 |
| jacekowski | packages are self contained | 10:58 |
| Khertan | a really bad solution the server side and no depandancy | 10:58 |
| jacekowski | but it's faster | 10:58 |
| V-ille | facts.. well, there's no need to freeze the UI nor actually reload the installable pkg list every time | 10:58 |
| V-ille | so it's a design decision, and it hurts usability quite a bit | 10:58 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: there is | 10:58 |
| TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; is there a en_GB translation for pr1.3? | 10:58 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: because list changes every time you install something | 10:58 |
| romen | is pr1.3 available outside UK? | 10:58 |
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| Noma_ | it was first available in Finland, I think | 10:59 |
| V-ille | jacekowski: well, we can just agree to disagree, the app manager doesn't need to be as bad as it is, regardless of whatever excuses people come up with | 10:59 |
| jacekowski | yeah, it's crap | 10:59 |
| romen | lol, I'm in FInland and yesterday when I read the news I tried to update the package list and ham told me "no updates available" xD | 10:59 |
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| jacekowski | but without abandoning dependencies and breaking it in other ways you can't make it a lot faster | 10:59 |
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| flux | romen, is your phone bought from finland as well? | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: server side dependencies would be nice | 11:00 |
| romen | yep | 11:00 |
| romen | flux: yep | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: sort of agps stule | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | style* | 11:00 |
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| V-ille | I can at least make it unintrusive. And I don't have to abandon dependencies. | 11:00 |
| romen | flux: but I'm using US locale | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: then fix it | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: sources are avaliable | 11:00 |
| flux | romen, well, if it's any consolation, I got my update available today as well. but I haven't tried updating the package lists manually ;) | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | or use fapman | 11:01 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, server side depandancy is a no go... how did you do with external repositories ? | 11:01 |
| granden_ | Anyone know where the different msn-plugins store there msn buddy icons? | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: if server can assist then server calculates all dependencies, or as much as server can | 11:01 |
| romen | flux: I'll try it later. Did things go smoothly in the upgrade? | 11:01 |
| * TriztFromWork hates the default maemo English, hope that timeless will release a new community translation for pr1.3 | 11:01 | |
| flux | romen, I haven't upgraded yet | 11:01 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, i still didn't think it s a good idea | 11:01 |
| timeless_mbp | TriztFromWork: i've been asleep, i'll have to brush it off, i have a small set of changes i want to make | 11:02 |
| TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; nice | 11:02 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: so phone would ask something like - dependencies for package-X? and then server answers with list of packages that this package needs + list of packages this server can provide | 11:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i've been just using the 1.2 set in 1.3, if you do it using OTA you get behavior which isn't bad | 11:02 |
| Oli```` | are there any packages that, once installed, would stop PR1.3 showing in the update manager? | 11:02 |
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| jacekowski | Khertan: and if server can't do it - then phone does it on it's own | 11:03 |
| romen | if both ham and fappm use apt in the background, how come ham is way slower than fappm? | 11:03 |
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| TriztFromWork | timeless_mbp; you mean "symlink" the directory? | 11:04 |
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| V-ille | jacekowski: I'd need a budgeted project for that, unfortunately :) | 11:04 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, but for cross server depandancies problem how did you do ? | 11:04 |
| V-ille | fapman.. gotta try that, thanks | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: phone does that | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | Khertan: ussualy package has all it deps on one server | 11:04 |
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| Khertan | jacekowski, this is the problem ;) | 11:05 |
| V-ille | the only problems with the device are the app manager and battery life | 11:05 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: it's not as bad as on HTC devices | 11:05 |
| jacekowski | V-ille: and use fapman | 11:05 |
| V-ille | it's still hands-down the best phone I've ever had | 11:05 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, you haven't the right to distribute a driver ... how did you depends on it in your external repository ? | 11:05 |
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| V-ille | and will likely continue to be so, given the direction harmattan is going | 11:05 |
| romen | if both ham and fapman use apt in the background, how come ham is way slower than fapman? | 11:06 |
| Khertan | romen, the both are slow ... fapman permit multiple selection to install or remove :) | 11:06 |
| TriztFromWork | timeless; ignore what I asked, back on the pr1.2 translation again, I think | 11:06 |
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| frals | fapman skips some of the additional checks ham is doing (last i heard) or has it been updated to include them? | 11:06 |
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| Flyser_mobile | what were the packages blocking PR1.3 OTA update again? libqt4-test and? | 11:06 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, i think things can be done faster ... | 11:06 |
| romen | Khertan: maybe it's just psycological, but to me it looks like updating and reloading package lists and even showing package lists is way faster in fapman | 11:07 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, without invoking server side | 11:07 |
| V-ille | there are of course things like the lack of vsync in the sgx driver, but that doesn't bother me much | 11:07 |
| TriztFromWork | time to stop playing with the phone and begun working, battery already down on 50% | 11:07 |
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| frals | someone nuked talk.maemo.org from orbit again? | 11:08 |
| V-ille | it works erratically, but seems to load.. after some retries | 11:09 |
| V-ille | maybe everybody and their brother is accessing tmo :) | 11:09 |
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| Appiah | anyway to mark multiple mails as read/unread? | 11:10 |
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| V-ille | ahem | 11:10 |
| V-ille | the photos load at once now | 11:10 |
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| V-ille | but it doesn't show that it's loading them :) | 11:10 |
| V-ille | it took a while before they appeared, with no indication | 11:11 |
| crashanddie | V-ille, which means the server is overloaded, but not the bandwidth | 11:11 |
| V-ille | well, that's minor, the photo app loads much better now | 11:11 |
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| Sargun_Screen | heh | 11:12 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, or the code is so badly done that server can't handle more than 2000 people simultaneously | 11:13 |
| Khertan | :)Ã | 11:13 |
| Sargun_Screen | finally, new maemo! | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, well, it's apache, isn't? Apache's policy is to try and handle everyone, no matter how many connections there are | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | or at least it used to be, may have changed in this day and age of ddos | 11:13 |
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| * lcuk2 yawns | 11:14 | |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, i didn't talk of apache :) but the things managing the forum | 11:14 |
| * Myrtti shivers | 11:14 | |
| Khertan | phpbb ? | 11:14 |
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| * lcuk gets Myrtti a blanket | 11:14 | |
| Myrtti | I guess I could put on my pink furry slippers | 11:14 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, apache isn't the pb here :) | 11:14 |
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| Sargun_Screen | so does this mean we see meego / n9 land soon!? | 11:18 |
| Appiah | ~n9 | 11:18 |
| Appiah | ~meego | 11:18 |
| infobot | i heard meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices | 11:18 |
| Myrtti | N9? what's that, some new licorice? | 11:18 |
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| crashanddie | liquor ice? | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | lick-o-rice? | 11:19 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, o-rish | 11:19 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, is that northern for "Irish"? | 11:20 |
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| V-ille | n9 is the harmattan device | 11:20 |
| Myrtti | V-ille: says who? | 11:20 |
| Myrtti | rumours | 11:20 |
| Myrtti | I'll spank you with 3-feet piece of licorice | 11:20 |
| V-ille | having an update for maemo doesn't really say much about the schedule of the next device | 11:21 |
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| crashanddie | Myrtti, the interwebs saids it | 11:21 |
| crashanddie | Myrtti, therefore, it must be truths | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: ah, the interwebs | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | Ic | 11:21 |
| Appiah | I'm googling that | 11:21 |
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| Myrtti | I'm blogging this | 11:21 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, the interwebs tell us elvis is working in a truckstop cafe | 11:21 |
| Appiah | Myrtti: i'll do it faster, I'll twitter it | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | "V-ille", when pronounced in two words, "vee" and "isle", sounds like a frenchman trying to say a mix between "sieg heil" and "the isle" | 11:22 |
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| Appiah | err tweet it | 11:22 |
| Appiah | or identi-ca it.. | 11:22 |
| crashanddie | Appiah, you are entitled to a free ticket on the failbus. | 11:22 |
| Appiah | =( | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | Appiah: I was just about to comment that you are a freedom hater | 11:22 |
| Appiah | may I sit in the front? | 11:23 |
| Appiah | Myrtti: :) | 11:23 |
| Myrtti | "twitter, why not identica!" | 11:23 |
| Robot101 | blurgh | 11:23 |
| Myrtti | 5 minutes of watching identica front page on autorefresh reminds me why I've lost faith in humanity | 11:23 |
| Khertan | Myrtti, mouarf | 11:23 |
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| crashanddie | Myrtti, so one could say... [puts on sunglasses] that you are Finnish'd? [yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah] | 11:24 |
| Appiah | haha | 11:24 |
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| Myrtti | crashanddie: looking for a patch in Cambridgeshire to grow organic carrots on | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | organic, near cambridge? | 11:25 |
| Myrtti | perhaps with a cottage or something to do website development and sewing and all kinds of crafts too | 11:25 |
| crashanddie | With all the one-way roads in Cambridge, I'm surprised there isn't more pollution around there than London. | 11:25 |
| Robot101 | I'd offer my garden but apparently there's cadmium and mercury in the soil here | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: north of Cambridge, akshully | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | midway to Peterborough | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | Good lord | 11:26 |
| Robot101 | crashanddie: its cambridge's way of telling you to use a park & ride, or just cycle :P | 11:26 |
| crashanddie | stay away from Peterborough | 11:26 |
| Robot101 | I'm with you on that one | 11:26 |
| Myrtti | _midway to_ | 11:27 |
| Myrtti | not _in_ | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | Myrtti, STILL TO F'ING CLOSE | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | s/to/too/ | 11:27 |
| Myrtti | pft. | 11:27 |
| Robot101 | too loud for this time in the morning | 11:27 |
| Robot101 | simmer down :P | 11:27 |
| crashanddie | apologies | 11:27 |
| Myrtti | nothing wrong with Ramsey. | 11:27 |
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| crashanddie | [size=1]I'll be quieter from now on.[/size] | 11:28 |
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| chem|st | moaning | 11:28 |
| Myrtti | could look up a spot next door to John Major's | 11:28 |
| crashanddie | Apple to buy Sony? lolwut | 11:29 |
| Myrtti | could annoy him by throwing the greens of the carrots over the fence | 11:29 |
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| crashanddie | Companies Apple could buy with their cash, today: EA, NetFlix, Facebook, Adobe, Sony. | 11:30 |
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| crashanddie | Interesting companies in that list for Apple: Netflix, Facebook, Sony. | 11:30 |
| timeless_mbp | does sony still have sony pictures and sony bmg? | 11:30 |
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| Sargun_Screen | well, meego has landed on a consumer device (n900) | 11:31 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 11:31 |
| kerio | "consumer"? | 11:31 |
| kerio | hah | 11:31 |
| Sargun_Screen | crashanddie: why sony? | 11:32 |
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| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, massive manufacturing plants, good stores around the world, all over a company that has tried to remain expensive -- quality over quantity, etc. | 11:33 |
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| Sargun_Screen | crashanddie: but a lot of things apple would not be interested in. | 11:33 |
| crashanddie | selling it off isn't difficult | 11:33 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, wheres the source article on this? | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | based on their hints, i think netflix and facebook are better acquisitions | 11:34 |
| Myrtti | well I'm glad I got my Sony eReader when I did | 11:34 |
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| Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: agreed | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | timeless, indeed | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | although i could imagine them raiding sony for the music + movie archives | 11:34 |
| kerio | apple buying netflix would be huge | 11:34 |
| Sargun_Screen | timeless_mbp: I hope they don't acquire netflix. | 11:34 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure apple has little interest in the manufacturing side | 11:34 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp & Sargun_Screen: note the order I put those 3 names ;) | 11:34 |
| Sargun_Screen | apple buying facebook would be neat. | 11:35 |
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| Myrtti | then they could combine it and Ping | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | Looking at Apple TV, and the renting business model they're getting in, Netflix would be a hugely interesting purchase for Apple | 11:35 |
| Myrtti | or rather, throw Ping away | 11:35 |
| kerio | leave it to apple to get something that works great and turn it into something greater | 11:35 |
| kerio | does netflix use drm? | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | kerio, don't know, don't live in the US, never used netflix | 11:35 |
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| kerio | me neither :( | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, it's just rumours based on rumours about speculation from would-be analysts | 11:37 |
| kerio | no, wait, i can download movies for free | 11:37 |
| kerio | nvm | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk, but still: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69P0FX20101026 | 11:37 |
| crashanddie | "Shares of Sony Corp rose nearly 3 percent at one stage on Tuesday as traders cited media reports speculating that the Japanese electronics maker could be a potential acquisition target of Apple Inc." | 11:37 |
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| crashanddie | Sargun_Screen, though, it would kill off Google TV pretty badly if Apple bought Sony. | 11:38 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie and the sony and apple philisophy is near ... making product wich work with high priced proprietary accessory :) | 11:39 |
| Myrtti | I can see why Apple would want to buy Sony, but I can't see why Sony would be sold | 11:39 |
| Khertan | s/accessory/accessories | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, how so? The PS3 isn't really high-priced, and you don't need stupid accessories for every game | 11:39 |
| crashanddie | Myrtti, +1 | 11:39 |
| * Khertan can't see both | 11:39 | |
| crashanddie | Khertan, either. | 11:40 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, ok i forgot ps3 is from sony | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: +1 ;-) | 11:40 |
| Khertan | but did you forget their msstick | 11:40 |
| crashanddie | erhm, and it was different from SD, how exactly? | 11:40 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, size ... and price | 11:41 |
| |187| | hm anybody got a link for the system shock 2 boot video for the n900? i forgot to backup mine :| | 11:41 |
| Khertan | and only sony product use it | 11:41 |
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| mc_teo | hey | 11:41 |
| Khertan | their cam stupid cable | 11:41 |
| crashanddie | The only difference is that SD/MMC/CF were sold to other companies a tiny bit before memory stick, which meant they had the market | 11:41 |
| mc_teo | just finished the update | 11:42 |
| Khertan | everyone use mini usb ... sony use proprietary one | 11:42 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, or maybe you're going to say that Sony is a bastard company for inventing the CD? :P | 11:42 |
| mc_teo | should i update the wiki page on troubleshooting or something? | 11:42 |
| mc_teo | ~pr1.3 | 11:42 |
| infobot | well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 11:42 |
| Khertan | why is an usb but with an other form | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | Khertan: in my Touch Reader it has the normal mini USB | 11:42 |
| mavhc | sony only ever won one media format war, bluray, just at the time when media became obsolete | 11:42 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, not for inventing it ... but for selling it has a long life support :) | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | PRS-600 | 11:42 |
| RST38h | crashanddie, Khertan: http://www.theonion.com/video/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece-of-shit-that-doesnt,14309/ | 11:43 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, blu-ray turned out to be not so bad in the end -- maybe that's why Apple wants to buy Sony, so they can eradicate Blu-Ray off the face of the earth. | 11:43 |
| romen | what's netflix? | 11:43 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, don't know ... Never use blueray | 11:43 |
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| RST38h | Apple wants to buy Sony? Have you got a new dealer, crash? | 11:43 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, i m not interesting to buy a film 30Euros | 11:44 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: Reuters | 11:44 |
| RST38h | OMG | 11:44 |
| Myrtti | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69P0FX20101026 | 11:44 |
| Myrtti | it's just rumours though | 11:44 |
| Khertan | and i didn't believe it s the answer to store data | 11:44 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, I bought two movies at 14.99 on Saturday, from Auchan. | 11:44 |
| RST38h | speculation, ok | 11:44 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, yesterday i go to the cinema looking a film ... for me and my wife : 10 Euros | 11:45 |
| Khertan | :) | 11:45 |
| Khertan | best screen | 11:45 |
| Khertan | best sound | 11:45 |
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| _berto_ | isn't Sony so much bigger than Apple? | 11:45 |
| romen | ~netflix | 11:45 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, only 10 euros for a 3 hour rental? | 11:45 |
| RST38h | Khertan: you forgot the people | 11:45 |
| Khertan | RST38h, yep we were 10 in the room :) | 11:46 |
| divan | hi guys. does anyone know where is 'ar' archiver in fremantle repo? | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | binutils | 11:46 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, ? | 11:46 |
| divan | really? thanks! | 11:46 |
| Khertan | 5 Euro the place | 11:46 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, ouais, mais 10 euros pour matter un film, ca fait mal au cul... pour 15 je l'ai chez moi en HD, sur un putain d'ecran avec un putain de son aussi... | 11:47 |
| Commander1024 | ghostcube, I rolled the update in just the classic debian way, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade | 11:47 |
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| ghostcube | Commander1024: any probs? | 11:47 |
| Commander1024 | nope | 11:47 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, la difference est pas enorme, mais je paye rarement plus de 18e pour un film, qu'il soit blu-ray ou dvd | 11:47 |
| ghostcube | i wouldd like to to it the same way | 11:47 |
| ghostcube | thx | 11:47 |
| Commander1024 | do it in a screensession preferably via ssh for convenience | 11:47 |
| ghostcube | ok | 11:48 |
| ghostcube | :) | 11:48 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, ouais ... enfin faut tout de meme acheter l'ecran, le putain de son ... et motiver la femme pour mettre le film plutot que le truc en cours a la tv ... donc c'est achement plus simple d'allez au ciné :) | 11:48 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, seulement si t'as une femme qui ne comprends pas "RESPECT MA AUTHORITA" | 11:48 |
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| Myrtti | I need more coffee | 11:49 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, :) | 11:49 |
| RST38h | NOTE: Flames do sound better in French | 11:49 |
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| Commander1024 | Myrtti, exactly!! | 11:50 |
| Khertan | RST38h, yeah flames sounds always better in other languages ... | 11:51 |
| Khertan | RST38h, but here there isn't :) | 11:51 |
| Myrtti | time to declare mailing list bancruptcy | 11:51 |
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| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | About PR 1.3: DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade! Type ~pr1.3 for more info." | 11:52 | |
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| Khertan | ~pr1.3 | 11:52 |
| infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 11:52 |
| Khertan | what is the problem with -dist-upgrade ? | 11:53 |
| Myrtti | could someone tinyurl or whatever the links | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, breaks device, as usual | 11:53 |
| Myrtti | plz plz pretty plz | 11:53 |
| Khertan | really ? | 11:53 |
| crashanddie | Myrtti, no | 11:53 |
| Khertan | how it s possible ? | 11:53 |
| Myrtti | awwww | 11:53 |
| Khertan | by closing all apps and so xterminal ? | 11:53 |
| mc_teo | updated the wili page | 11:54 |
| chem|st | Myrtti: ? | 11:54 |
| mc_teo | wiki* | 11:54 |
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| chem|st | mc_teo: did you inlcude the showstoppers? | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, take a good distribution, like debian (step 1), customize it until it's fucked (step 2), deploy an update, that doesn't follow any of the best practices of debian (step 3), watch everyone break their device due to unmet dependencies (step 4). | 11:54 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: sounds like fun | 11:54 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: step 4 is uninstall all userland in a package without conflicts nor dependencies | 11:55 |
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| Khertan | crashanddie, hum ... step one is optionnal for meego ... :) | 11:55 |
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| crashanddie | heh# | 11:56 |
| Chani | oh. well. thank goodness I wandered by... | 11:56 |
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| Chani | flashing FTL. :/ the backup restore thing doesn't quite restore everything... | 11:56 |
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| mc_teo | chem|st: as in the conflicting packages? then yes | 11:56 |
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| mc_teo` | ~pr1.3 | 11:57 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | Chani: eh? | 11:57 |
| Chani | timeless_mbp: last time I flashed the device I lost some odds and ends. passwords of some kind, iirc. | 11:58 |
| chem|st | mc_teo: nice.. I tried to do that yesterday but maemo.org did not like me! | 11:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | Chani: passwords used by Maemo platform apps or third party apps? | 11:58 |
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| Chani | timeless_mbp: maemo | 11:59 |
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| Chani | it was either wifi or the browser | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | odd | 11:59 |
| * timeless_mbp is pretty sure both of those are saved | 11:59 | |
| Khertan | does addblockplus work now on microb ? | 11:59 |
| Khertan | last time i try i was able to set prefs :) | 12:00 |
| Khertan | (was a year ago) | 12:00 |
| chem|st | DID IT SEND AN SMS AGAIN? | 12:00 |
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| * Chani is also irritated by the lack of password recovery for wifi. I mean, those aren't even real passwords most of the time. I typed them in, I should be able to get them out | 12:00 | |
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| Chani | but anyways... I'm procrastinating again... | 12:00 |
| RST38h | Khertan: It does but just barely | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Chani: eh? | 12:00 |
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| RST38h | Khertan: Not really recommended :( | 12:01 |
| Khertan | RST38h, can you define barely ? | 12:01 |
| Robot101 | Chani: you can probably see them with gconftool | 12:01 |
| chem|st | Chani: gconf-tools helps... | 12:01 |
| Khertan | RST38h, oh really ? | 12:01 |
| RST38h | Khertan: Well, it lets you set some settings and even acts on them, from time to time | 12:01 |
| timeless_mbp | less /var/lib/gconf/system/.... | 12:01 |
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| chem|st | FSCK'ING NOKIA... they did send another SMS! | 12:03 |
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| mc_teo` | http://to.ly/7Kka http://to.ly/7Kkk http://to.ly/7Kkm | 12:04 |
| mc_teo` | ^^ the three links in ~pr1.3 | 12:04 |
| mc_teo` | shortened | 12:05 |
| chem|st | 25.10.10 15:56 72626 sent SMS / MMS 0:01 | 12:05 |
| mc_teo` | or should i use tinyurl to get a more descriptive url | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | chem|st: did you reflash or do something similarly stupid? | 12:05 |
| chem|st | I had a msg window with that number | 12:05 |
| chem|st | timeless_mbp: I had reflashed but that worked before without sending the sms again | 12:06 |
| mc_teo` | wtf | 12:06 |
| chem|st | thought once activated it never tries again?! | 12:06 |
| mc_teo` | i just made an account in bit.ly | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | chem|st: complaints to Nokia Care. please. | 12:06 |
| mc_teo` | in IE9 | 12:07 |
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| maybeWTF | but nokia doesn't care about us maemo people! | 12:07 |
| maybeWTF | *ahem* | 12:07 |
| mc_teo` | and it comes up, do you wish chrome to remember this password | 12:07 |
| stonda | *boohoo* | 12:07 |
| RST38h | They do not have to. They are the Phone Company. | 12:07 |
| chem|st | timeless_mbp: thats like telling someone to fsck off... | 12:07 |
| RST38h | chem|st <== perceptive | 12:07 |
| chem|st | RST38h: I love it when you do that ;) | 12:08 |
| timeless_mbp | mc_teo: ? | 12:08 |
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| mc_teo` | http://bit.ly/pr13_article http://bit.ly/pr13_release_notes http://bit.ly/pr13_wiki_page <-- the three ~pr1.3 links, shortened | 12:12 |
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| ieatlint | uh, didn't busybox on the n900 used to have wget? | 12:15 |
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| lcuk | wget is a package on extras ieatlint: http://maemo.org/packages/view/wget/ | 12:16 |
| alterego | ieatlint: I think it used to be used for apt but not needed anymore | 12:16 |
| ieatlint | yeah, just installed it | 12:16 |
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| ieatlint | somehow i recall having it before pr1.3 as part of busybox (very stripped down, etc) | 12:16 |
| ieatlint | but i may just be on crack | 12:17 |
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| ieatlint | also, it appears my cell provider just upgraded their towers here... i can now pull close to 4mbit on whereas i previously could only do about 1.5mbit | 12:18 |
| chem|st | ~flasher | 12:18 |
| infobot | hmm... flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 12:18 |
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| chem|st | ~flashing | 12:18 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:18 |
| alterego | Any sign of a madde sysroot? :D | 12:19 |
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| alterego | Has anyone updated their Nokia Qt SDK? | 12:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Uh... why? | 12:32 |
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| alterego | Because it'd be nice if someone could give me there ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/cache/maemo*sysroot.tar.gz .. | 12:33 |
| alterego | Can't find it on the internet and I don't use NokiaQtSDK :/ | 12:33 |
| alterego | The PR1.3 sysroot that is .. | 12:33 |
| RobbieThe1st | Nah, I don't have that. | 12:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | I have the QT builder IDE... which I used once.. | 12:34 |
| psycho_oreos | isn't the madde qemu really slow for you guys? | 12:34 |
| RobbieThe1st | On N900? | 12:35 |
| alterego | Don't use it. | 12:35 |
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| RobbieThe1st | It's an emulator. It's going to -have- to be slow | 12:35 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah I realised that but I was hoping if there would be possible tweaks one can use.. meh | 12:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | um... OC? | 12:37 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol nah, I think it'll work better if one has single core or if qemu can be multi-threaded oh well.. curiousity kills the cat | 12:39 |
| flux | does HAM issue apt-get autoremove after you remove packages? | 12:39 |
| flux | (or equivalent) | 12:39 |
| chem|st | flux: something alike | 12:40 |
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| flux | chem|st, ok, thanks | 12:40 |
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| chem|st | but with close I guess | 12:40 |
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| flux | I suppose I can just try and look with dpkg -l if the now-useless dependencies have been removed | 12:40 |
| RobbieThe1st | apt-get autoremove? | 12:41 |
| chem|st | flux: at least it does an autoclean after install | 12:41 |
| flux | chem|st, well, it's not the same thing :) | 12:41 |
| chem|st | flux: yeah I know | 12:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | I don't see why -anyone- who comes into -this- chat actually uses HAM | 12:41 |
| flux | robbiethe1st, removes packages that have been installed as dependencies for other packages, when such manually installed have been removed | 12:41 |
| chem|st | but it seems to uninstall at least some libs it installed with the package | 12:41 |
| flux | robbiethe1st, well, it's my gf's phone, she doesn't have even rootsh installed ;) | 12:41 |
| RobbieThe1st | well, why not do so? she doesn't have to know or care | 12:42 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I will from now on try to not use apt anymore if not needed | 12:42 |
| flux | I suppose it sort of a nice idea trying to do everything the 'official way' | 12:42 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ...Why? | 12:42 |
| flux | robbiethe1st, to prove oneself that the system isn't broken ;) | 12:42 |
| RobbieThe1st | But it is... | 12:42 |
| flux | and the issue here is that to install pr1.3 is that it requires brainparty's dependency libgles1-sgx-img to be removed first | 12:43 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: cause the upgrade made proof that it is not meant to be used | 12:43 |
| chem|st | at least not for upgrades | 12:43 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... a pr1.3 OTA upgrade? why not just flash it, then restore content. Seems better and safer.. | 12:43 |
| flux | OTA is less hassle. and it's mostly 'clean' phone. | 12:44 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: you ar out of the game now | 12:44 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: pointing that anyone in here should not use ham and than asking for a flash anyway?! | 12:44 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I'm saying that: 1. HAM is slow. 2. upgrading OTA is dangerous. 3. command-line tools are excellent if you know the commands. | 12:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | #2 is especially a problem when you run into an issue after upgrading: Was it because of the unclean upgrade, or because of a bug in the new code. | 12:46 |
| flux | how is OTA any more dangerous than flashing, if you have a backup? | 12:46 |
| chem|st | the last debian I installed was etch I am now at squeeze with aditional sid packages... if I would "reflash" my pc everytime there is something broke I would get tired from running my install backup scripts | 12:46 |
| Kaadlajk | alterego: there is fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim.tar.gz | 12:48 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I installed a single program with apt... what I did not know is that the part just disappearing on my screens top edge was "held back packages" and "upgrade packages" as apt-worker automagically sets the new packages to upgrade | 12:48 |
| alterego | Kaadlajk: yes, that's the file I want :) | 12:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | flux: see number 2. Do you want the possibility of extra errors? chem|st: Yes, true enough. But, most desktop distros are intended to be OTA upgraded. I don't trust Nokia's ability to make things work right all the time. | 12:49 |
| chem|st | so the freaking broken upgrade uninstalled most of the systemUI and restarted without further action, and then it was in a watchdog cycle where I wasn't fast enough in stopping the watchdog to prevent it from restarting | 12:49 |
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| RobbieThe1st | chem|st: Ah, you made a mistake. Yea, trying to do a dist-upgrade via apt is iffy at best if you know what you are doing. And the packages dependancys are all setup properly | 12:51 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I did not do a dist-upgrade | 12:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | you tried to upgrade to pr1.3, didn't you? | 12:51 |
| chem|st | I did a fsck'ing apt-get install <program> | 12:52 |
| chem|st | no I didn't | 12:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Then, how the heck did you manage to install something that conflicted with everything? *blink* | 12:52 |
| chem|st | I overread that it is installing 30MB | 12:52 |
| Kaadlajk | alterego: do you have any place where i could upload it to? It is 193M and i dont have any place to put file that size | 12:53 |
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| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I didn't it is part of this upgrade and the freaking package uninstalling systemUI is not conflicting with the known packages but the package installing the systemUI is... | 12:53 |
| alterego | Kaadlajk: erm, not realy, let me think about it for a moment. | 12:54 |
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| chem|st | Kaadlajk: what does the slim mean in this case? | 12:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... The only reason it'd uninstall a bunch of required packages is if one of the ones it needed to install ended up conflicting with a low-level package. Anything depending on that, then, got removed. | 12:54 |
| Kaadlajk | alterego: going to try dropbox, seems to upload at decent speed there | 12:54 |
| Kaadlajk | chem|st: no idea | 12:54 |
| alterego | Kaadlajk: thanks :) | 12:55 |
| Kaadlajk | 2.6MB/sec, usually get like 100kB/s | 12:55 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I did a PR1.2 flash and watched the upgrade... it did just the same | 12:55 |
| alterego | That's nice | 12:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | ..Yea, it should | 12:55 |
| alterego | Americans still sleeping ^.^ | 12:55 |
| RobbieThe1st | Because one of the packages/sets of packages you installed conflicted with something else. More than likely the dependancy being installed was from PR1.3 and got mixed into the rest. I've run into that before | 12:56 |
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| chem|st | and OTA doesn't brake anything not titans nor nitdroid | 12:56 |
| RobbieThe1st | Read: Add Debian repos to a Ubuntu system and try upgrading specific packages. | 12:57 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not a good idea | 12:57 |
| RobbieThe1st | Are you sure? I've seen a number of forum posts complaining about PR1.3 issues | 12:57 |
| chem|st | I was able to boot into nitdroid but there I had no proper chroot setup possible (didn't try that hard...) | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: you dont do a dist-upgrade with dist-fiend repos active! | 12:58 |
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| RobbieThe1st | um... what? | 12:58 |
| RobbieThe1st | Not sure what you just said | 12:59 |
| RobbieThe1st | If you mean I shouldn't have tried upgrading with Debian repos..? Yes. I know. | 12:59 |
| chem|st | you do not apt-get dist-upgrade with repos in your sources.list from another distribution | 12:59 |
| chem|st | like maemo SDK repo... | 13:00 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Actually, I didn't do dist-upgrade. I just tried to get one package, then all of its dependancies, then... I ended up replacing -all- of the system UI. I was lucky it still booted | 13:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you do not apt-get --dist-upgrade - period | 13:00 |
| RobbieThe1st | But, my point was that that it's what -not- to do | 13:01 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: ah you did the same as I did... I wasn't that lucky, it did boot but the watchdog made it restart after 15-20 seconds | 13:01 |
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| RobbieThe1st | chem|st: This was on my desktop, not my N900 | 13:01 |
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| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: ah then you did not check the dependencies ;) | 13:02 |
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| RobbieThe1st | In that case, it wasn't an issue. I knew exactly what I wanted, and -hoped- that the new packages(which were installed, BTW) would work. They didn't, quite. | 13:03 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Point is, I ended up learning my lesson. Yea, I'd been told not to do it, but you always have to try these things out for yourself. :P | 13:03 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: Rule 4? what is "You shall not have other devices beside me!" | 13:03 |
| juozapas | where i can find whats new" on pr1.3? | 13:04 |
| chem|st | RobbieThe1st: yeah thats the way I learned it, lucky me I have a netbook to try the stupid stuff ahead ;) | 13:04 |
| RobbieThe1st | True | 13:05 |
| chem|st | juozapas: afaik the changelog is missing | 13:05 |
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| |187| | hm did somebody find a solution to disable the splashscreen on boot @n900 ? | 13:05 |
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| |187| | removed the video but the 'nokia' i cant get rid off ;~ | 13:05 |
| chem|st | juozapas: but andre put a bugtracker collective link on the PR1.3 wiki page | 13:05 |
| juozapas | k thx | 13:06 |
| andre__ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 | 13:06 |
| chem|st | hi andre__ | 13:06 |
| andre__ | heja | 13:06 |
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| chem|st | andre__: I think I have to reopen some of those :( I will check some stuff the next weekend! | 13:07 |
| chem|st | or at least write some new ones | 13:08 |
| andre__ | chem|st, just leave a comment (it's a bit weird but often Nokia prefers a new bug ticket instead) | 13:08 |
| andre__ | ah, k | 13:08 |
| chem|st | yeah I know | 13:08 |
| chem|st | as versions change it might be better to create new ones | 13:09 |
| chem|st | and link back from the old ones | 13:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | insane | 13:10 |
| alterego | Who packages the libqt experimental stuff? | 13:11 |
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| chem|st | alterego: the devil | 13:12 |
| alterego | Just wondering if they were planning on packageing mobility 1.1.0 too .. | 13:12 |
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| chem|st | you may ask one of the infected... | 13:12 |
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| divan | Guys, did you try Need For Speed Undercover on N900? | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | not here. | 13:31 |
| divan | not where? | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | I did not. | 13:32 |
| divan | ah, ok :) I just wonder if someone could test this quick manual, to be sure that everything is safe: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851662&postcount=200 | 13:33 |
| divan | It works for me and for a couple other people who have tried, but I'd like to be sure. | 13:34 |
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| crashanddie | divan, so you posted it before testing it? | 13:49 |
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| munkiii | Can somebody help me regarding updating to PR1.3 ? | 13:50 |
| munkiii | i try using HAM and it tells me to use a pc | 13:50 |
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| crashanddie | ~tell munkiii about flashing | 13:50 |
| munkiii | nah | 13:50 |
| munkiii | i don't wanna reflash | 13:50 |
| munkiii | i just want it to work OTA | 13:50 |
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| crashanddie | then free space on rootfs | 13:51 |
| munkiii | i've tried using apt-get upgrade but it doean't upgrade meamo, just some apps | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | you need 85 megs free | 13:51 |
| munkiii | 85mb, ok | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | munkiii, read the bloody topic | 13:51 |
| munkiii | i'm at work, i don't have time at the moment to read it all | 13:51 |
| crashanddie | well piss off then | 13:51 |
| Myrtti | then do the update at home | 13:52 |
| munkiii | i just thought asking here would get me a quick answer, which it has done | 13:52 |
| crashanddie | munkiii, flashing really is the best option | 13:52 |
| Myrtti | "there is no quick answer" | 13:52 |
| munkiii | there is... | 13:52 |
| munkiii | the quick answer was 85mb | 13:52 |
| munkiii | cheer the f..k up anyway, telling people to piss off isn't the best way to help... | 13:53 |
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| MOUD | ~pr1.3 | 13:53 |
| infobot | pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 13:53 |
| Myrtti | munkiii: "About PR 1.3: DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade!" | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | and bouncing off every option condescendingly without providing all the information isn't helpful either. | 13:54 |
| Termana | piss off, telling people is the best way to help. | 13:54 |
| Termana | telling people to piss off* | 13:54 |
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| crashanddie | Termana, piss off | 13:54 |
| Scelt | Myrtti: why? | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, piss off, too | 13:54 |
| Myrtti | Scelt: ask crashanddie :-> | 13:54 |
| crashanddie | crashanddie, no you | 13:54 |
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| Termana | You can't help someone unless they helped their bloody self | 13:55 |
| Termana | help* | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | Scelt, dist-upgrade will break the device | 13:55 |
| * Stskeeps glares at crashanddie | 13:55 | |
| Scelt | munkiii: 65 MB is enough, for me at least | 13:55 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps, yes my darling? | 13:55 |
| Scelt | crashanddie: how? | 13:55 |
| munkiii | Scelp - thanks | 13:55 |
| munkiii | Scelt | 13:55 |
| munkiii | just need to free 40mb rootfs now. | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | munkiii, good luck | 13:56 |
| Scelt | ye | 13:56 |
| munkiii | piss off | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | Scelt, conflicting packages, unresolved dependencies. It has broken nearly every upgrade before, and I've seen 3 people here kill it again for PR1.3. Until I'm shown it works, I'm telling everyone to stick with the proven tracks. | 13:56 |
| Scelt | munkiii: storageusage app is very useful for that. but remember to remove libqt4-test and libgles-sgx-something first | 13:56 |
| Scelt | munkiii: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img | 13:57 |
| Scelt | crashanddie: oknp, I installed with dist-upgrade. Can't find any probs | 13:57 |
| Scelt | munkiii: those two packages will not let pr1.3 install successfully | 13:57 |
| * agi apt-get upgraded to 1.3, no problems noticed | 13:57 | |
| crashanddie | Scelt, really? That's surprising. How much space did you have available? | 13:57 |
| Scelt | crashanddie: 65 MB | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | Scelt, did those two packages block the install? | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | Scelt, or did you remove them before trying? | 13:58 |
| Scelt | let me tell you the whole story. takes a while to write | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | k | 13:58 |
| granden | The buddy icons, used by different conversations plugins like pecan, and haze etc. Where does they store the image file? | 14:01 |
| Scelt | crashanddie: first I used app manager. it failed to let me install it. then I removed libqt4-test. Try again with app mgr, still nogo. Then I removed libgles1-sgx-img. App mgr shows the green light but I didn't want to get offline by surprise so I thought to use dist-upgrade to download the packages first. And I was at 3G so it took an hour or something so I prefered terminal over app mgr. After downloading those 1000 packages I ctrl+c the dist-upgrade and ... | 14:02 |
| Scelt | ... tried again with app mgr. It still wanted to download 45 MB even I already downloaded everything. I said nothx and used dist-upgrade. Seemed to go fine. At least *#0000# gives right version and I can write lower case letter after dot again. | 14:02 |
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| crashanddie | Scelt, apt and appmgr don't put the .deb files in the same directory | 14:03 |
| xDaReaperx | Hi | 14:03 |
| crashanddie | so you can't "cache" the downloads with apt for appmgr to use | 14:03 |
| xDaReaperx | i'm happy that Adobe finally decided to bring 10.1 to MeeGo | 14:03 |
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| xDaReaperx | they didn't Mention Maemo though | 14:03 |
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| Scelt | crashanddie: I figured it out but that's not the deal. dist-upgrade seemed to work fine | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | k, thanks for the feedback | 14:04 |
| alterego | Well, my development environment is now setup perfectly :D | 14:04 |
| Scelt | crashanddie: np | 14:04 |
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| alterego | Qt Creator (snapshot) + scratchbox + madde (latest) + maemo & meego toolchains and roots | 14:04 |
| xDaReaperx | aren't you guys happy that adobe deicides to bring 10.1 ? | 14:05 |
| xDaReaperx | ~pr1.3 | 14:05 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 14:05 |
| alterego | It has taken me a day to install ubuntu 10.10 and everything including this SDK stuff :D | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | wth does 10.1 mean? | 14:05 |
| crashanddie | xDaReaperx, or do you mean "flash 10.1"? | 14:05 |
| xDaReaperx | Adobe flash 10.1 update | 14:05 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | couldn't care less, tbh | 14:06 |
| xDaReaperx | yep :d | 14:06 |
| xDaReaperx | What about the webOS games being played on the N900 ? | 14:06 |
| xDaReaperx | thats cool | 14:06 |
| alterego | That does look cool | 14:06 |
| tybollt | ~ | 14:06 |
| alterego | How do engadget know about that stuff before us? | 14:06 |
| xDaReaperx | i have no idea lol | 14:07 |
| tybollt | they have (zomg!111) INSIDAAAARS!1 | 14:07 |
| xDaReaperx | they have Sources | 14:07 |
| xDaReaperx | or maybe youtuber | 14:07 |
| rmrfchik | engadet knew all about iphone before appled oes | 14:07 |
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| rmrfchik | apple | 14:07 |
| xDaReaperx | youtube * | 14:07 |
| xDaReaperx | lots of typo aigh ? | 14:07 |
| alterego | I think, like flash, it's just a case of "Look what we've done, no you can't have it" | 14:08 |
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| alterego | Well, my scratchbox install is only 3.1G | 14:09 |
| alterego | Not bad | 14:09 |
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| xDaReaperx | BlueZ is something relating to bluetooth ? | 14:14 |
| Myrtti | yup | 14:15 |
| alterego | bluez is the bluetooth stack and services | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | bluez is rthe linux bluetooth stack | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | the user-mode side | 14:15 |
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| xDaReaperx | okay | 14:16 |
| xDaReaperx | i was reading the release notes Tools content updates and found it | 14:16 |
| xDaReaperx | ty | 14:16 |
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| xDaReaperx | if EA was with Nokia , we would have awesome games by now :D .. | 14:27 |
| xDaReaperx | sadly they broke up | 14:27 |
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| divan | crashanddie, no, I tested it myself two times, and a couple of my friends as well. But I won't to hear response from more people. | 14:28 |
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| pigeon | hmm, ota upgrade doesn't work? it prompts me to run the nokia pc suite anyway...? | 14:36 |
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| steinex | do i really need to use Nokia PC Suite to be able to upgrade to PR1.3? | 14:37 |
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| xkr47 | I just clicked "install updates" on the phone | 14:38 |
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| xkr47 | i.e. in app manager "check for updates" and then install them | 14:38 |
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| Myrtti | ~topic | 14:39 |
| Myrtti | *sigh* | 14:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | ~pr1.3 | 14:39 |
| infobot | somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 14:39 |
| xDaReaperx | if it says to install using PC suite and you cant install OTA , remove some apps ... this is because they are conflicting with the update | 14:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | Darn. I was hoping for the old message. :P | 14:39 |
| xDaReaperx | and then try to install OTA again | 14:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | Anyway, I'm off. Bye | 14:39 |
| pigeon | i did that, it then asks me i must use the nokia pc suite on my pc | 14:39 |
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| pigeon | ~pr1.3 | 14:40 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 14:40 |
| xDaReaperx | read this : http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 14:40 |
| xDaReaperx | it should help you solve the OTA update problems | 14:41 |
| xDaReaperx | read what mc_teo says | 14:41 |
| pigeon | right, thanks, sorry, a bit late here. | 14:42 |
| xDaReaperx | no problem | 14:43 |
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| steinex | is there some list of new features / fixed bugs for PR1.3? | 14:46 |
| steinex | is PR1.3 worth it? | 14:46 |
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| toggles | steinex doesn't cost anythign to upgrade | 14:47 |
| toggles | except time if you've been a bad boy and used non approved software | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade!? | 14:48 |
| jacekowski | why not? | 14:48 |
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| steinex | damn - when i'm trying to deinstall packages via apt-get, it just wants to upgrade almost everything :/ | 14:50 |
| steinex | how can i deinstall just one package? | 14:50 |
| steinex | ah, dpkg -r | 14:51 |
| psycho_oreos | maybe hold the rest and try removing it? not all the time will that work however | 14:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | or that :) | 14:52 |
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| crashanddie | steinex, apt-get purge packagename | 14:59 |
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| crashanddie | steinex, dpkg -r only removes said package, without checking for unused dependencies | 14:59 |
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| flux | crashanddie, mm, apt-get purge doesn't either? | 15:01 |
| flux | crashanddie, but purge does remove the configuration etc files | 15:01 |
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| divan | Is there something like zenity for maemo, but hildonized? | 15:04 |
| divan | I.e. which allows me to call from command line smth like "dialog --msgbox 'Hello, World"" | 15:05 |
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| sivang | divan: you can try pymameo or pyside, not as asy but is "hildonized" | 15:06 |
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| divan | Thanks, but maybe something non-python? | 15:07 |
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| granden | Is it possible to use the N900 as an FM-transmitter, for a second device, like an ipod? | 15:07 |
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| V-ille | yes | 15:08 |
| xDaReaperx | yes you can | 15:08 |
| V-ille | I used it with my home stereo, although that was just for kicks as I can use the cable there as well. | 15:08 |
| V-ille | But the fm transmitter worked fine. | 15:08 |
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| V-ille | steinex: the update seems nice, it makes the photos load better at least | 15:09 |
| V-ille | no other observations yet, but apparently it has some performance fixes | 15:09 |
| granden | I know i can play music from the N900, but I mean, using the n00 like a really really expensive FM-transmitter. Not having any music on the phone itself | 15:09 |
| granden | I thought of pluging in a ipod or so in the 3,5mm output | 15:09 |
| granden | and play music from that one. | 15:09 |
| V-ille | so.. the ipod would be the input, and n900 the transmitter? | 15:10 |
| granden | Yes | 15:10 |
| alterego | It's possible | 15:10 |
| Scelt | jacekowski: crashanddie has some bad experiences about it. Worked fine for me though | 15:10 |
| granden | Any application for that, or how would I set it up? | 15:10 |
| V-ille | I wonder if that works out of the box, or if some manual assembly is required | 15:10 |
| alterego | Not really an app for that currently no. | 15:10 |
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| granden | alterego: Any guide or similair I could follow? Or anything | 15:11 |
| alterego | Nope | 15:11 |
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| alterego | Erm, I'd look into how fmtx actually works. | 15:11 |
| granden | So it is possible, but I will probably make it work :) | 15:11 |
| granden | probably never* | 15:12 |
| alterego | Then maybe you could just enable it then setup a gstreamer pipeline to feed input from the mic channel and output to ftmtx | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | alterego: ? | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | alterego: what are you doing with fmtx | 15:12 |
| V-ille | does it have a line input, even? | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | alterego: i've done some research about it | 15:12 |
| jacekowski | alterego: quite a bit | 15:12 |
| alterego | I'm not doing anything, he just wants to pipe the microphone headset channel to fmtx | 15:13 |
| alterego | "he" being V-ille :) | 15:13 |
| V-ille | no, not me, but granden | 15:13 |
| granden | he being me :) | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | well, not with nokia software | 15:13 |
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| jacekowski | when you plug something into that socket fmtx will disable | 15:13 |
| alterego | Oh well, I'm glad we sorted that out ^.^ | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | but hardware can do it | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | and with my modified fmtxd it's possible | 15:14 |
| granden | jacekowski: So, is there any third party software to be used? | 15:14 |
| granden | jacekowski: Where could I get your modified fmtxd ? | 15:14 |
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| jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD | 15:14 |
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| * TriztFromWork don't think his gps really works, never really been working proeprly | 15:16 | |
| jacekowski | why? | 15:16 |
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| granden | jacekowski: "It's provided as is and without any instructions how to install it." Mind giving some simple instructions here on irc :) | 15:17 |
| TriztFromWork | if I disable agps, it never find where I'm, just keep on "Looking for GPS..." | 15:17 |
| jacekowski | granden: read whole post | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | there is a link on top of it | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | is tmo down? | 15:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (<toggles> steinex doesn't cost anythign to upgrade) errhm, *cough* - - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 | 15:19 |
| povbot | Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's | 15:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | costs only your proper working conversation SMS | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I can't see me upgrading to pr1.3 any time soon | 15:20 |
| granden | jacekowski: Can not access, talk.maemo.org | 15:21 |
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| munkiii | me neither | 15:23 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: wtf? | 15:24 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: it's down more often than it isn't | 15:24 |
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| X-Fade | jacekowski: ?? | 15:25 |
| jacekowski | tmo | 15:25 |
| X-Fade | Ping reggie, that is hosted somewhere else. | 15:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | usually a "HAHAHA akamei SUCKS!" is enough to make them trow additional iron & bandwidth on it. They seem to monitor the channel :-P | 15:27 |
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| jacekowski | HAHAHAHAHA akamai sucks | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | still down | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | suckers | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | oO | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | it's working | 15:28 |
| jacekowski | slowly | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 15:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | toldya | 15:28 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, it's working | 15:29 |
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| BCMM | ~pr1.3 | 15:31 |
| infobot | methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 15:31 |
| mece | hee nice, engadget got informed of javispedro's shenanigans :) | 15:32 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that doesn't help tmo either. | 15:32 |
| mece | ouch. no. | 15:32 |
| mece | I guess it has a limited capacity :) | 15:33 |
| BCMM | ~flashing | 15:33 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:33 |
| granden | jacekowski: Hmm, reading that blogpost it seams to be more about enabling greater FM-bandwith. Where could I read more about getting audio from 3,5 and transmitting on FM radio | 15:33 |
| BCMM | granden: 3.5 as in 3.5mm jack? | 15:33 |
| RST38h | mece: they do seem to think you have to "jailbreak" n900 to play these games | 15:33 |
| mece | LOOOOL | 15:33 |
| BCMM | confusion over having to install a package to "root" the n900 maybe? | 15:34 |
| BCMM | or maybe people are just used to that being how phones work by now :( | 15:34 |
| mece | you don't have to "root" it though, you can use queenbee, can't you? | 15:34 |
| mece | meh. anyway | 15:35 |
| granden | BCMM: Yes | 15:35 |
| BCMM | so where is this engadget article? | 15:35 |
| mece | so are the games any good? | 15:35 |
| mece | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/n900-can-run-unmodified-webos-games-what-can-your-linux-based-p/ | 15:35 |
| BCMM | granden: i reckon you could probably do it with a simple gstreamer command line | 15:35 |
| mece | "article" is a bit of a strong word for engadget though :) | 15:35 |
| mece | ooh well | 15:35 |
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| BCMM | granden: i saw instructions somewhere for how to send audio from the onboard mic out through FM | 15:36 |
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| BCMM | granden: i'm sure that could be adapted to use an external mic | 15:36 |
| BCMM | granden: dunno where i saw it though; could ask google | 15:36 |
| BCMM | so are there practical differences between flashing from a PC and doing OTA for pr1.3? do both methods uninstall applications and so on? | 15:37 |
| mece | seems palm catalog doesn't work in Finland, so not a great chance of seeing someone with a pre that actually have some games | 15:37 |
| mece | BCMM, ota doesn't uninstall anything. | 15:38 |
| jarkkom | BCMM, no, you get to keep your apps and data if you do OTA update | 15:38 |
| BCMM | ah, but you can't do that using a PC? | 15:38 |
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| BCMM | so what's deciding who sees the OTA update and who doesn't? are they just doing it a few devices at a time to avoid hammering their server? | 15:39 |
| mece | BCMM, are you not seeing the update? | 15:39 |
| BCMM | mece: well, i'm checking for updates again now | 15:39 |
| BCMM | i couldn't last night | 15:39 |
| mece | BCMM, I think UK was delayed again, are you in the UK? | 15:40 |
| BCMM | but then again i only just notices that "slowly but surely" has gone since last night | 15:40 |
| BCMM | mece: yeah, UK | 15:40 |
| granden | jacekowski: Anyhelp on how to ppe the input from the 3.5mm jack to the FM-transmitter? | 15:40 |
| alterego | We were the first for PR1.2 :P | 15:40 |
| granden | BCMM: I dunno what to google for really, never get any good results. | 15:40 |
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| alterego | Anyway, can someone paste their sources.list entry for extras-devel in scratchbox please? | 15:41 |
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| BCMM | granden: try looking for the more general question of how to use gstreamer to pipe a sound input to a sound output | 15:42 |
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| mece | deb http://respository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free | 15:42 |
| BCMM | mece: a friend who is also in the UK already has the update, offered last night... | 15:42 |
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| mece | BCMM, I guess it should be there then.. | 15:42 |
| mece | disable extras, testing and devel for speedier update checks | 15:42 |
| mece | alterego, did you need sources too? | 15:43 |
| mece | I don't seem to have that.. | 15:43 |
| mece | hm | 15:43 |
| mece | perhaps it's the same | 15:43 |
| mece | only deb-src | 15:43 |
| BCMM | are they rolling it out all handsets (in an area) at the same time, or doing some kind of trick to stagger the updates for their server's sake? | 15:43 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: boy you're fast | 15:44 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, and you should know better ;-) | 15:44 |
| alterego | mece: hrm, that's what I've got | 15:44 |
| alterego | Interesting. | 15:44 |
| divan | Okey.. The fastest way to show file selector dialog and return filename to the shell? | 15:44 |
| alterego | mece: thanks :) | 15:44 |
| * alterego attempts to work out how to push his source to gitorious | 15:44 | |
| divan | I'm not a fan of python, but anyway python-hildon seems to be obsoleted a bit, no? | 15:45 |
| granden | Hmm, totally lost dunno how to do this. | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: i just want it reported so i can point to it later | 15:45 |
| timeless_mbp | it's bloody annoying | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 | 15:46 |
| povbot | Bug 1695: Browser: Provide "open link in background" | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | whatever "requires badgering" means, seems it's a process Nokia isn't exactly performing at | 15:50 |
| merlin1991 | damn it, I seriously considered searching for some information on tmo, and now it's down | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not down, it's MIA | 15:51 |
| merlin1991 | what's the difference doc? | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-26 14:27:47] <DocScrutinizer> usually a "HAHAHA akamei SUCKS!" is enough to make them trow additional iron & bandwidth on it. They seem to monitor the channel :-P | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-26 14:28:10] <jacekowski> HAHAHAHAHA akamai sucks | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-26 14:29:44] <jacekowski> yeah, it's working | 15:52 |
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| javispedro | Morning | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro | 15:52 |
| mece | hola javispedro! | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning javispedro | 15:53 |
| javispedro | btw, tmo is not Akamai for all I know :P | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not?? o.O | 15:53 |
| mece | akamai is ovi store | 15:53 |
| mece | erm.. vice versa | 15:53 |
| alterego | Yay, put my first project into gitorious :) | 15:53 |
| javispedro | and maemo.org | 15:54 |
| mece | alterego, yay, and which one is that? | 15:54 |
| javispedro | (but not talk.maemo.org) | 15:54 |
| javispedro | alterego: congrats :) | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, have a bottle of beer | 15:54 |
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| * MohammadAG gives alterego an empty bottle of beer | 15:54 | |
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| * merlin1991 wonders what "ovi suite support" from the update means in the real world | 15:54 | |
| MohammadAG | cookies | 15:55 |
| alterego | mece: http://gitorious.org/maemo5-media-im-status-updater | 15:55 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: seems that they made SMS listing work in Windows ovi suite | 15:55 |
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| javispedro | not on the traditional PC Suite, so it smells propietary protocol everywhere, but dunno. | 15:55 |
| alterego | Hrm .. | 15:55 |
| alterego | I think I've done something wrong .. | 15:55 |
| phryk | I get a password prompt when attempting "sudo rootgain" on pr 1.3, i also can't change the pass using passwd. | 15:56 |
| phryk | what is the default password? | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you've killed us all! | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | sudo gainroot... | 15:56 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/maemo5-media-im-status-updater/maemo5-media-im-status-updater/trees/master | 15:56 |
| alterego | I've got duplicate project name. | 15:56 |
| alterego | In the url | 15:56 |
| alterego | Is that right? | 15:56 |
| javispedro | alterego: yeah | 15:57 |
| phryk | MohammadAG: i just want to used it to do chmod +s su | 15:57 |
| phryk | use* | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, I think so | 15:57 |
| javispedro | alterego: suposedly second slug is "repository name", but IMHO this only starts to make sense with uber large projects | 15:57 |
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| alterego | Oh, okay | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, http://gitorious.org/psfreedomui/psfreedomui | 15:57 |
| alterego | Right, thanks :) | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | that way you can have subsections I think | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | like meego/bootloader | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG | meego/somebuginapackage | 15:58 |
| alterego | The first is the normalised version of Maemo5 Media IM Status Updater I presume ^.^ | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | etc | 15:58 |
| javispedro | alterego: yep, "normalised"=slug (it actually asks you for it iirc) | 15:58 |
| alterego | Yeah, when I created "the project" | 15:58 |
| alterego | Now, should I update that program or just leave it there .. | 15:59 |
| * javispedro is a fan of unappropriated use of double quotes | 15:59 | |
| alterego | I've not touched it in months, I keep meaning to port the UI to Qt/C++ as Qt/Python is dog-slow | 15:59 |
| MohammadAG | Python is shit on maemo :P | 15:59 |
| alterego | Python is fine, it's python modules that slow it down :P | 16:00 |
| * javispedro 's always trying to make a C fmradio for this very reason | 16:00 | |
| alterego | Qt/Hildon are massive modules .. | 16:00 |
| alterego | Well, Hildon+Gtk | 16:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | phryk: forget it, su is a symlink to messybox, and you can't +s symlinks | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 16:01 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, then port it :) | 16:01 |
| javispedro | oh, btw, I made that package I was talking about the other day | 16:01 |
| javispedro | making sudo -s work | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, what does your app set anyways | 16:01 |
| alterego | Yeah, think I will, can't be bothered to do anything else anyway. | 16:01 |
| * MohammadAG has a suenabler package | 16:01 | |
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| javispedro | the only issue I found is that $HOME is set to /home/user | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | enables sudo du | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:01 |
| Skyscraper | HEEELP | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | sudo su | 16:01 |
| Skyscraper | PR1.3 crashed my conversations i think | 16:01 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: ah, it was on extras? | 16:01 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 16:02 |
| phryk | DocScrutinizer: worked fine on 1.2 | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | it's a sneaky way anyways | 16:02 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: /etc/sudoers.d/suenabler.sudoers containing user: /bin/su ? | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | not the right way(TM) | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 16:02 |
| merlin1991 | for some reason I can do sudo whatever | 16:02 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, same | 16:02 |
| merlin1991 | but I dunno wich package enabled me todo that, didn't enable on purpouse | 16:02 |
| Skyscraper | anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, I'm trying to track down the package which does that | 16:03 |
| phryk | DocScrutinizer: If you meant busybox, I installed the gnu-coreutils | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, can you give me a list of apps installed? | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | pastebin the output of maemo-list-user-packages | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | easiest way to create such a list except by hand? | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | ah :D | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | phryk: me too | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | and the file is where? | 16:03 |
| Skyscraper | can anyone help me? | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, what file? | 16:04 |
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| MohammadAG | it outputs to stout :) | 16:04 |
| merlin1991 | ah | 16:04 |
| phryk | DocScrutinizer: So… still, what is the default pw? | 16:04 |
| merlin1991 | sry | 16:04 |
| merlin1991 | thought its a file :D | 16:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l `which su` | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-06-23 06:13 /bin/su -> busybox | 16:04 |
| MohammadAG | maemo-list-user-packages > /home/user/MyDocs/packageslist | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and there IS NO default password | 16:04 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: I do think we need to push a better rootsh package. The current one is unmaintained not to mention it doesn't not even purge correctly. | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is *NO* password by default :-P | 16:04 |
| javispedro | ah, double negation! | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | phryk: you really think you know what you're doing? | 16:05 |
| Skyscraper | anyone read my problem? | 16:05 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, qwerty12 wouldn't mind really | 16:05 |
| alterego | What are "Labels" for in gitorious? | 16:05 |
| phryk | DocScrutinizer: Not anymore o_O | 16:05 |
| phryk | DocScrutinizer: but why the hell did it work before?^^ | 16:05 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: In fact, I think he MINDS that we still use his package ;) | 16:05 |
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| Skyscraper | ~pr1.3 | 16:05 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 16:05 |
| javispedro | the sudo version on the n900 is too old, which is unfortunate | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, nah, he's a good guy, even though he insulted most of the guys on maemo.org | 16:06 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/MqFU3xYQ | 16:06 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: and some guys from here ;P | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | small list | 16:06 |
| Skyscraper | is talk.maemo.org down? | 16:06 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, they're on maemo.org too :P | 16:06 |
| crashanddie | javispedro, doesn't take away from the fact he's a good guy, who got burnt | 16:06 |
| javispedro | crashanddie: yeah, not saying otherwise. | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | could've happened to any one of us, really. Probably already has happened, just in less obvious and public ways. | 16:07 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, what is it suppose to mean if the front LED is purple? | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | well, it happened to GAN900, too. He just became a PITA troll :P | 16:07 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 16:07 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 16:07 |
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| alterego | He's always been a pita troll :P | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | not true | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | just like Termana | 16:08 |
| javispedro | hm... pita... | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: in your particular case? broken device | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | he used to be a tmo god | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | pain in the ass :P | 16:08 |
| alterego | Well, he's not been a pain in my ass | 16:08 |
| sivang | crashanddie: who got burnt? | 16:08 |
| alterego | I find GAN quite humourous tbh :) | 16:08 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, could be fmtx-faker | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | alterego, that's because you're not his cellmate :D | 16:08 |
| sivang | crashanddie: what degree of burns? :) | 16:08 |
| BRANEDY | is there a fix for dropbox the PR 1.3 seems to have broken it | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | or qole's easy-chroot package | 16:09 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, :p | 16:09 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, sryl? that would be weird :D | 16:09 |
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| Skyscraper | HELP ;( | 16:09 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, I think it might be the only report of a purple LED though. Now I can sell it off as "rare n900" | 16:09 |
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| javispedro | purple LED! | 16:09 |
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| javispedro | Termana: ah, did you try to boot it already? did the screen work? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | err | 16:09 |
| * DocScrutinizer burps and looks at his purple breathing light | 16:09 | |
| MohammadAG | the N900 can show both purple and pink | 16:09 |
| Termana | javispedro, no the screens not working | 16:10 |
| Termana | TV Out is | 16:10 |
| javispedro | :( | 16:10 |
| crashanddie | Termana, sounds like the connector got loose? | 16:10 |
| Termana | But it doesn't boot and gives me an error at the dots | 16:10 |
| RST38h | Moo, all | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, http://pastebin.com/9fSExt9D | 16:10 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 16:10 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, nah, I have it open, the connectors on fine | 16:10 |
| RST38h | javispedro: how is Per environment doing? =) | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: not exaxtly as for unknown hw reasons without connector the TV out doesn't work it seems | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | Termana, sounds like you're stuffed, then. | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, really? | 16:11 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, slightly more stuff :D | 16:11 |
| javispedro | RST38h: getting useful patches even, I'm impressed. | 16:11 |
| Skyscraper | no one with the same problem here? | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, people checking grounding on outputs is bad. | 16:11 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: tmo seems to be worth it in the end if you can stand all the trolls | 16:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I suspect clock issues | 16:11 |
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| crashanddie | sar3th|away, gtfo with you nick changing | 16:12 |
| Skyscraper | haha Nokia writes me sms ... that theres a softwareupdate for my .... - more of the msg i cannot read because i installed the f**ing software update already -.- | 16:12 |
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| Termana | Skyscraper, phone is 5 dots | 16:12 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I bet those patches come from people who joined before Sep 2009 | 16:13 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ... yes. | 16:13 |
| Skyscraper | Termana: what do you mean? | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | Skyscraper, "help" and "anyone have my problem?" isn't going to get people to help solve your problem. State your issue in a clear manner, and if people know, they will help | 16:13 |
| Skyscraper | crashanddie: ive written whats the problem | 16:13 |
| javispedro | RST38h: well, make it jan 2010 | 16:13 |
| * MohammadAG wonders where to get pre games without a pre | 16:13 | |
| Termana | Skyscraper, nevermind :p | 16:13 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, search for ipk's | 16:13 |
| javispedro | .... | 16:13 |
| Termana | *COUGH* | 16:14 |
| Skyscraper | crashanddie: [15:03] <Skyscraper> anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | was thinking of something more... legal | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | Skyscraper, and as you've noticed, this channel evolves quickly, people don't read 10 lines up when joining, so feel free to repost your question ever 10 minutes or so. | 16:14 |
| RST38h | javispedro: unusual | 16:14 |
| Termana | MohammadAG, send them some money in the mail | 16:14 |
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| * sivang thanks himself for not updating to 1.3 | 16:14 | |
| Termana | MohammadAG, then it's all smooth. | 16:14 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: there's no way that I know of. | 16:15 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: There. | 16:15 |
| Termana | sivang, 1.3 is old skool now anyway. | 16:15 |
| Termana | 1.4 is where it's AT dawg | 16:15 |
| Termana | :p | 16:15 |
| sivang | Termana: HAHA | 16:15 |
| sivang | Termana: when will it be released? | 16:15 |
| javispedro | Termana: no, that's 1.5, aka Shitcake! | 16:15 |
| sivang | ~1.4 | 16:15 |
| infobot | hmm... 1.4 is coming tonight!!! | 16:15 |
| Termana | javispedro, :P | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | ~forget 1.4 | 16:16 |
| infobot | crashanddie: i forgot 1.4 | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | ~botsnack | 16:16 |
| infobot | :), crashanddie | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, is the preenv package in devel? | 16:16 |
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| crashanddie | ~PR1.4 | 16:16 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 16:16 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: yeah, not user/* though | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | good | 16:16 |
| MohammadAG | and are palm pre games good? | 16:17 |
| Skyscraper | seems no one have an idea.. | 16:17 |
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| psycho_oreos | The secret is.. there's no 1.4. They are going to make the next release 2.0 in order to catch up with google android's version number ;) | 16:17 |
| RST38h | ~6.6 | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, it's ~6.66 | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | psycho_oreos: i think we're going back to 1.1 or 1.2 | 16:17 |
| timeless_mbp | going up is old schook | 16:17 |
| RST38h | psycho: current android version is 2.1 | 16:18 |
| timeless_mbp | (we can't spell school properly anyway) | 16:18 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: they're the usual commercial mobile "quality". nice-looking, lacking depth, etc. | 16:18 |
| sivang | ~botsnack | 16:18 |
| infobot | aw, gee, sivang | 16:18 |
| RST38h | ~6.66 | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | use kelvins instead of numbers :P | 16:18 |
| psycho_oreos | timeless_mbp, cool, I'll catch up with the old firmwares then :) all those leaked PR releases :) | 16:18 |
| RST38h | javispedro: I.e. written by the same MIDP programmers? :) | 16:18 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: have you done the Qt Creator + scratchbox integration yet? :) | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, sure | 16:18 |
| alterego | Good isn't it :) | 16:18 |
| sivang | Termana: don't be so loose ! | 16:18 |
| javispedro | RST38h: did I tell you the part where certain big name publisher uses a JavaME->C++ code translator? | 16:18 |
| psycho_oreos | RST38h, I know but imagine if next release is versioned 2.0, it wouldn't be that far off from android's firmware version? :) | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | awesome really, when it works | 16:18 |
| alterego | Oh, you have problems with it? | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | I find Qt Creator keeps pointing out non existing typos | 16:19 |
| Termana | sivang, WHAT? | 16:19 |
| sivang | Termana: sorry | 16:19 |
| sivang | that was menat for: | 16:19 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: Don't be so loose! | 16:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h: java::util::String implemented et all. | 16:19 |
| alterego | Yeah, it's not indexing the code. | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, red/green lines under code | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 16:19 |
| javispedro | RST38h: and dumping java exceptions to stdout, even. | 16:19 |
| alterego | Because it doesn't know where the headers are. | 16:19 |
| sivang | Termana: my aplogies for that mishap | 16:19 |
| merlin1991 | btw whatabout the dualboot support that was roumored to come with pr1.3? (sry tmo is down :D) | 16:19 |
| RST38h | javispedro: mindblowing | 16:20 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Hell, I should write such a translator myself and sell it | 16:20 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I've got a nasty hack for that. | 16:20 |
| Termana | sivang, :P | 16:20 |
| alterego | I'd be more interested to see a proper solution. I might look into it later. | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, fire away :P | 16:20 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp, Termana : :) | 16:20 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: just add INCLUDEPATH=/scratchbox/*/*/usr/lib | 16:20 |
| javispedro | RST38h: I guess you're late, I don't think they made such a thing in-house. | 16:21 |
| rokr1__ | how to changed the operator logo manually ?? | 16:21 |
| alterego | /usr/include even .. | 16:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: eh... | 16:21 |
| Termana | rokr1__, change sims | 16:21 |
| psycho_oreos | merlin1991, if anything iirc, it was only better support for meego | 16:21 |
| Termana | Ta-da operator change | 16:21 |
| RST38h | javispedro: android->c++ then. | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, where? | 16:21 |
| alterego | in the .pro file | 16:21 |
| rokr1__ | that was curel answer termana | 16:21 |
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| Termana | infobot, termana is curel | 16:21 |
| infobot | Termana: okay | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | makes it incompatible with other set ups I suppose :) | 16:22 |
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| Skyscraper | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851263&postcount=3 <- think he has same problem as me | 16:22 |
| alterego | indeed, | 16:22 |
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| alterego | well, it's ignored when it doesn't make any sense. | 16:22 |
| psycho_oreos | rokr1__, there's an app you cna get to change operator name, its in the repo | 16:22 |
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| rokr1 | i donot want to do through app | 16:23 |
| rokr1 | the hard way | 16:23 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ohnoes http://www.xmlvm.org/overview/ | 16:23 |
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| Termana | ZogG, st stu stu stu stu stu stutt stutter stutters | 16:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro; Well, the checked all the keywords - XML, VM, CLR, Java | 16:24 |
| javispedro | lol | 16:24 |
| javispedro | thinking the same | 16:24 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Also XSLT, XQuery, and XPath | 16:24 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: And .NET as well | 16:24 |
| Skyscraper | grrr my n900 is blinking blue because i cant read sms | 16:25 |
| rokr1 | termana u were trying to update firmware r8?? | 16:25 |
| javispedro | "XMLVM"? How's that related to what the program does other than just trigger flashy keywords in Google Search? | 16:25 |
| Termana | rokr1, what? | 16:25 |
| Skyscraper | anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messagesanyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages | 16:25 |
| Termana | r8? | 16:25 |
| rokr1 | right | 16:25 |
| RST38h | javispedro: apparently not related to LLVM (which may come useful in fact) | 16:25 |
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| Termana | rokr1, no? | 16:25 |
| rokr1 | is ur N900 running 1.3?? | 16:26 |
| Termana | Why would I be doing a firmware upgrade on a dead device? | 16:26 |
| Termana | It's not running at all | 16:26 |
| Termana | It has 1.2 flashed | 16:26 |
| javispedro | RST38h: yet another thing that's going soon the be a flashy keyword (LLVM). (not to underappreciate what it is, but marketing people is starting to "it's based on LLVM -> it's uber fast") | 16:26 |
| javispedro | example: Apple. | 16:26 |
| rokr1 | oops wrong guy | 16:26 |
| javispedro | (they made it after all) | 16:26 |
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| xDaReaperx | i'm having PR 1.3 | 16:27 |
| RST38h | javispedro: sad | 16:27 |
| xDaReaperx | when i open mirror it shows the Red LED light | 16:27 |
| Termana | javispedro, gcc > LLVM | 16:27 |
| RST38h | javispedro: how do they make transition from LLVM to fast, anyway? | 16:28 |
| xDaReaperx | it shows the pic but | 16:28 |
| javispedro | Termana: I do think LLVM is a much better teaching tool | 16:28 |
| Termana | javispedro, you know why LLVM suxors? | 16:28 |
| javispedro | gcc source is just..... well. no words. | 16:29 |
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| pyther | Hello | 16:29 |
| Termana | javispedro, because it's under a BSD license rather than the LGPL or GPL. | 16:29 |
| Termana | MAWHAHAHA | 16:29 |
| javispedro | RST38h: possibly because of Jobs' RDF when he was talking about how it's going to revolutionize shaders | 16:29 |
| pyther | I ugraded to PR1.3 and have this is my apt listings, is it out of date? | 16:29 |
| pyther | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ | 16:29 |
| pyther | should it be 1.3? | 16:29 |
| javispedro | Termana: IMHO it's not actually a minor option | 16:29 |
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| javispedro | s/option/point | 16:30 |
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| djszapi | when did the qtcore module get part of the Maemo architecture, in which release ? | 16:30 |
| RST38h | Termana: Does that GPL license arouse you? =) | 16:30 |
| djszapi | * the | 16:30 |
| Termana | javispedro, Why do you think Apple supports it. Because they don't want to keep releasing their Objective-C changes for gcc. | 16:30 |
| * RST38h sighs | 16:31 | |
| Termana | RST38h, yeah, I could have the GPL in bed all night long. You BSD devil! | 16:31 |
| Termana | :p | 16:31 |
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| RST38h | Apple supports it because it is the best way for them to have multiplatform binaries | 16:31 |
| Termana | RST38h, burn in hell BSD man! | 16:31 |
| RST38h | I strongly doubt they have issues releasing ObjC changes | 16:31 |
| RST38h | Considering that it is in their best interest to increasy ObjC popularity | 16:32 |
| Termana | RST38h, but... but... but... but... /. told me so | 16:32 |
| Termana | :p | 16:32 |
| phryk | DocScrutinizer: Is there a way to get a "real" su? (Also, shouldn't the gnu-coreutils supply that?) | 16:33 |
| sivang | the A word arrived./. | 16:33 |
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| sivang | guys, we need to cheer a bit, please! | 16:33 |
| pyther | can someone on PR1.3 pastebin their /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list, please? | 16:33 |
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| Skyscraper | anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages | 16:34 |
| Termana | Skyscraper, everyone is having that problem. Could you please file a bug report for us all | 16:34 |
| Skyscraper | Termana: lol no? | 16:34 |
| jacekowski | granden: that's first thing you need | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | granden: that modified fmtxd | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | granden: so it will not switch off | 16:35 |
| Termana | Skyscraper, then do me a favour | 16:35 |
| jacekowski | granden: and then with some gstreamer trickery play audio from microphone | 16:35 |
| pyther | no one can pastebin their source file for me? | 16:35 |
| Termana | Skyscraper, STOP SPAMMING THE ROOM WITH YOUR BULL-FUCKING SHIT. WE SAW IT THE FIRST TIME | 16:35 |
| phryk | conversations app works fine for me… | 16:35 |
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| Termana | Thank you | 16:35 |
| Skyscraper | Termana: NO.. when FUCKING NOKIA brings out FUCKING UPDATES which DOESNT WORK then i WANT SUPPORT | 16:36 |
| Skyscraper | *angry* | 16:36 |
| Termana | Skyscraper, then, ring Nokia. We aren't Nokia. | 16:36 |
| Myrtti | Skyscraper: but... this isn't Nokia channel | 16:36 |
| Termana | We aren't your free support hippy | 16:36 |
| Skyscraper | how to downgrade to PR1.2? | 16:37 |
| * pyther would like it if someone could pastebin their /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list (since mine had old entries in it) | 16:37 | |
| psycho_oreos | flash | 16:37 |
| javispedro | Termana: RST38h: I could see his Jobness being partially interested in controlling the compiler | 16:37 |
| javispedro | s/Jobness/Steveness | 16:37 |
| Skyscraper | psycho_oreos: i dont want to loose all installed apps etc | 16:37 |
| Termana | Skyscraper, flash everything back, but you need to use the newer 1.3 radio stuff | 16:37 |
| javispedro | (sounds like Jobless :P) | 16:38 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: You have a choice between His Jobsness and His Jobsenesness | 16:38 |
| psycho_oreos | Skyscraper, you didn't do a system backup? | 16:38 |
| jacekowski | btw. is new flash included in pr1.3? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: this is NOT nokia support channel! | 16:38 |
| Skyscraper | and btw... Termana - crashanddie said i can repeat my problem every 10 minutes | 16:38 |
| Termana | javispedro, right. I was joking about slashdot :p I believe he would argue that it is apart of the integrated experience. | 16:38 |
| RST38h | Skyscraper, you can do whatever you want here | 16:39 |
| Skyscraper | psycho_oreos: ive done backup.. but backup doesnt backup apps?! | 16:39 |
| RST38h | Skyscraper: Just don't get offended when you get banned, ok? | 16:39 |
| Skyscraper | RST38h: its not spamming when i repeat it every 10 minutes because i'm ignored by all... | 16:40 |
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| pyther | RST38h: are you using PR1.3? | 16:40 |
| Termana | No one is ignoring you | 16:40 |
| javispedro | RST38h: btw, you still without Python on your N900? What you use for fmradio? I'm considering starting a C fmradio-clone. | 16:40 |
| Termana | No one has the same problem | 16:40 |
| Skyscraper | Termana: thats not right^^ | 16:40 |
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| Skyscraper | Termana: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851263&postcount=3 | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | Skyscraper, highlighting me really wasn't a good idea | 16:40 |
| Skyscraper | HE has the SAME problem i think | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: bug is reported | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: no fix for now | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: stfu | 16:41 |
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| Termana | :p | 16:41 |
| RST38h | pyther: yes | 16:41 |
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| sobczyk | hi, where is the multimedia library located and how to access it? (photos, movies & music) | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: yeah, goooo! | 16:41 |
| javispedro | Skyscraper: so, reported as bug. go there and keep hitting F5 for the next three millenia | 16:41 |
| psycho_oreos | Skyscraper, no but from what I've heard it as a list of user previously installed apps, so when you run HAM again I believe it will install all the normal apps from the normal repo.. I dunno about user added repos | 16:41 |
| pyther | RST38h: would you be so kind to post your apt sources? | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, I can? | 16:41 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Nah, removed python, too much of a mess. Not using radio either as it requires wired headphones (I have got bt) | 16:41 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, really? | 16:41 |
| Termana | Can you smell that? | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a kicky | 16:41 |
| Termana | It smells like.... | 16:41 |
| RST38h | pyther: Not right now: I cannot ssh there at the moment | 16:41 |
| Termana | THE KICKHAMMER | 16:42 |
| Skyscraper | javispedro: i dont have bug id -.- | 16:42 |
| pyther | RST38h: ok | 16:42 |
| javispedro | RST38h: it does not -- it's just a fmradio limitation (yet more reason) | 16:42 |
| javispedro | (re headphones) | 16:42 |
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| *** Skyscraper was kicked by crashanddie ([15:34:10] [15:34:39] [15:36:05] [15:37:03] <- our definitions of "10 minutes" differ wildly) | 16:42 | |
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| Skyscraper | lol | 16:42 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Doesn't it have to use headphone wire as an antenna? | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | grr | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | typing #0000# | 16:43 |
| javispedro | RST38h: with good enough signal, it doesn't | 16:43 |
| RST38h | javispedro: nice =) | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | and then adding a * to the beginning of the string in Call | 16:43 |
| javispedro | RST38h: or with a natural antenna (buildings, etc.) | 16:43 |
| timeless_mbp | does not do the right thing â„¢ | 16:43 |
| Skyscraper | #FAIL... no comment | 16:43 |
| RST38h | javispedro: ...your finger stuck into headphone jack... | 16:43 |
| javispedro | Skyscraper: a suggestion: if you're kicked from a channel, don't return for at least a few minutes unless you want to be permanently banned | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: set autorejoin | 16:44 |
| javispedro | =) | 16:44 |
| jacekowski | for 0.00000.1s | 16:44 |
| Myrtti | jacekowski: on the webirc? | 16:44 |
| Myrtti | doubt it | 16:44 |
| sobczyk | anyone knows where is the multimedia library located and how to access it? (photos, movies & music) | 16:45 |
| Skyscraper | javispedro: i return when i want to.. and... when i get banned, then i reconnect my internet and come back :p - and: what im doing now? not said anything again from my problem | 16:45 |
| javispedro | ah, a troll. | 16:45 |
| RST38h | and not a very clever one | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: then you will get banned again | 16:45 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: it's simpler to ban you than it's for you to come back here | 16:45 |
| LjL | Skyscraper: evading bans is against this network's policy | 16:45 |
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| Skyscraper | jacekowski: then i will use another nickname... rofl | 16:45 |
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| jacekowski | Skyscraper: then another nickname will be banned | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | Skyscraper: unless you stfu | 16:46 |
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| jacekowski | Skyscraper: but that was the target from the beggining | 16:46 |
| Skyscraper | jacekowski: theres no need to ban me because i do nothing | 16:46 |
| jacekowski | so you lost | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Skyscraper: *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.228.* | 16:46 |
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| RST38h | and you are toast | 16:46 |
| timeless_mbp | sobczyk: eh? | 16:46 |
| Skyscraper | RST38h: proxys roxx :p | 16:46 |
| RST38h | Proxys can be banned as well, but if you would like to play this game, go ahead. | 16:47 |
| * javispedro /ignore | 16:47 | |
| timeless_mbp | sobczyk: Photos are ~/MyDocs/DCIM or somethiing | 16:47 |
| sobczyk | timeless_mbp: the maemo5 library with media files used by the standard player, and photo viewer | 16:47 |
| RST38h | It is kinda pointless though as we all know the outcome | 16:47 |
| Skyscraper | RST38h: Tor... many ips to ban :D | 16:47 |
| sobczyk | is there some API for that? | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | sobczyk: hrm, do you mean the tracker database? | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a tracker database | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | you could probably talk to it i suppose | 16:47 |
| aquatix | maybe it's already spoken about here, but do you really need the Nokia Suite for the 1.3 update? | 16:48 |
| Robot101 | Skyscraper: freenode masks all of the tor exit nodes into one conveniently bannable mask | 16:48 |
| sobczyk | timeless_mbp: it's this one http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/ ? | 16:48 |
| Robot101 | so a channel can ban all tor users at once if it wants, quite convenient | 16:48 |
| RST38h | aquatix: no | 16:48 |
| Skyscraper | be cool.. i dont want to get banned^^ | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: do you think it's smart to try and outsmart the chanops?=? | 16:48 |
| RST38h | aquatix: apt-get install works just as well | 16:48 |
| aquatix | RST38h: a regular on-device backup should suffice? | 16:48 |
| RST38h | aquatix: yes | 16:49 |
| aquatix | good stuff, thanks | 16:49 |
| RST38h | aquatix: do backup to the external sd card though | 16:49 |
| aquatix | heh, yeah | 16:49 |
| aquatix | good point | 16:49 |
| javispedro | aquatix: you can also reflash (aka do what nokia suite does) from GNU/Linux just fine | 16:49 |
| javispedro | reflash=lose all data | 16:49 |
| aquatix | rather do an upgrade | 16:49 |
| RST38h | All / data | 16:49 |
| Skyscraper | sorry i'm very frustrated... writing many sms a day and cant read anything now -.- | 16:49 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks maemo.org for its totally crappy domain scheme | 16:50 | |
| aquatix | it's my wife's phone | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | we got it by now, Skyscraper | 16:50 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: it's working? | 16:50 |
| sivang | I thought t.m.o was missing in action | 16:50 |
| sivang | :-p | 16:50 |
| steinex | hm, damn | 16:50 |
| Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer: so can anyone give me the bug id number so i can read there if theres a fix? | 16:50 |
| * timeless_mbp also kicks tracker for their totally stupid globally ambiguous choice of a common English word as a project name | 16:50 | |
| steinex | i have removed all packages the upgrade manager complained about via "dpkg -r", but now it's still complaining... any hints? | 16:50 |
| timeless_mbp | i mean, only Microsoft can get away with that | 16:51 |
| Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer: then i'll leave and you dont have to ban me ^^ | 16:51 |
| javispedro | timeless_mbp: theoretically, it was called "Metatracker" | 16:51 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: heheh | 16:51 |
| Termana | timeless_mbp, well, now that a Microsoft exec is at the head position in Nokia, that means Nokia is allowed too now right? | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: we neither are interested in users leaving, as we like banning :-D and we don't like users to come here thinking they are entitled to get *anything* | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Termana: i'm told he was more of an Adobe or Macromedia guy | 16:52 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 16:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | it's not your problem, it's your attitude | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | aslo chanops are trolls too ;) | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | that gets everybody upset here | 16:52 |
| timeless_mbp | we're already dying, so i don't see why he'd bother doing that | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | Skyscraper: and no, I can't give you any big#, as the update is, like, 24h old | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | bug#* | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | sobczyk: it is that tracker. please don't ask me how you're supposed to find the proper docs for maemo | 16:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | there's an sdk page somewhere on maemo.org | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | you could try to find it. i wish you the best of luck (you'll need it and more) | 16:54 |
| sobczyk | I'm trying DBUS | 16:54 |
| Arkenoi | is there a fixed version of ussd widget? seems that modem api changed again so 1.2 version does not work anymore | 16:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: boy are we impatient | 16:55 |
| merlin1991 | damn it, there should be an option in xchat to filter a channel to a new window reduced to a set of nicks | 16:55 |
| Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456 it this one right? | 16:55 |
| povbot | Bug 11456: History of every conversation (sms,im) are empty after update. | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: tracker<tab><tab> -> google | 16:55 |
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| l0up_ | hmmm | 16:56 |
| l0up_ | i still have conversations history after update | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | how the fuck should I know if that ticket descibes what you see on your device, Skyscraper ? | 16:56 |
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| javispedro | Skyscraper: why don't ya reflash? | 16:56 |
| Skyscraper | DocScrutinizer: i see nothing in "detail" window of a conversation... sounds like that bug | 16:56 |
| Skyscraper | javispedro: dont want to reinstall all | 16:57 |
| javispedro | so, annoying and lazy | 16:57 |
| javispedro | either way | 16:57 |
| javispedro | don't reflash, just send your N900 to Finland, I'll guess that help eventually pinpoint the bug. | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: is that another flavour of your black-on-black bug? | 16:58 |
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| quanttrom | hey, if I am upgrading to PR 1.3 do I need to flash the MMC image as well? | 16:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: #11456 | 16:58 |
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| Khertan | t.m.o is really down :) | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and cheers | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, fixed that, it was triggered by styleSheets | 17:00 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, gave me code for QPainter | 17:00 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, ? | 17:00 |
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| Khertan | it s funny to see Need For Speed running on a n900 | 17:01 |
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| lardman | Anyone else having troubles with QtPlugin? | 17:01 |
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| lardman | also any thoughts on this error: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mbarcode_0.2.3-4/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt | 17:02 |
| fcrochik | lardman: it seems that anything that used plugins stopped working... | 17:02 |
| lardman | fcrochik: ok, glad it's not just us | 17:02 |
| Khertan | :) ... my pyplugin still works :) | 17:02 |
| fcrochik | lardman: the funny (sad) thing is that it includes the libqtm stuff too | 17:02 |
| lardman | is this in the bugtracker yet, or is it a generic Qt 4.7 problem? | 17:03 |
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| fcrochik | Khertan: it is python using qt, right? | 17:03 |
| fcrochik | lardman: I didn't look for it... just found out that two out of my two applications using libqtm stopped working :) | 17:04 |
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| lardman | ok | 17:04 |
| alterego | Are you sure you're not mixing 4.6 plugins with 4.7? | 17:04 |
| lardman | alterego: all built after updating sb | 17:04 |
| alterego | Hmm | 17:04 |
| fcrochik | alterego: shouldn't they be compatible? | 17:04 |
| alterego | libqt4-opengl-dev (< 4.6.99) looks well suspect :P | 17:05 |
| lardman | yeah we'll try chopping that | 17:05 |
| lardman | but that builds on my home machine, and plugins don't work | 17:05 |
| javispedro | Khertan: re nfs on n900: yeah :) | 17:05 |
| alterego | Well, not sure then :/ | 17:05 |
| lardman | np thanks | 17:05 |
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| D-man | Hey guys. Is it normal, that applet apps stopped working after update? | 17:06 |
| fcrochik | lardman: what was the idea you were working yesterday? the qrcode + vcard thing? I am playing with something similar and am curious... I am just trying to have a qrcode point to a url that will have a vcf file.... | 17:08 |
| andre__ | D-man, what are "applet apps"? | 17:08 |
| Khertan | fcrochik, yep :) | 17:08 |
| Khertan | javispedro, unfortunatly blade require libsdl_net which doesn't seems to be "emulated" yet | 17:08 |
| D-man | um.. programs that show when you tap battery icon.. | 17:08 |
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| D-man | I don't know what's the proper way to call them. | 17:09 |
| javispedro | Khertan: it might not need to be emulated -- just apt-get install the native one | 17:09 |
| javispedro | Khertan: but I woulnd't play net games with this, reported device ID is "0000" which is easy to ban | 17:09 |
| Skyscraper | byebye have to go to work | 17:10 |
| Khertan | javispedro, device id can be change for the real one | 17:10 |
| andre__ | D-man, statusbar widgets? | 17:10 |
| andre__ | what exactly do you see? | 17:10 |
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| javispedro | Khertan: yeah, next version will have some unique hash | 17:10 |
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| D-man | I guess.. well.. nothing.. like they're not installed at all.. | 17:11 |
| Khertan | javispedro, it s from you ? (can't verify as t.m.o is down) | 17:11 |
| javispedro | Khertan: yep, preenv is mine | 17:11 |
| D-man | Flashlight and easy brightness app to be specific.. | 17:11 |
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| Khertan | javispedro, i ve got the same idea when they announce native sdl | 17:12 |
| lardman | fcrochik: sorry for the slow reply | 17:12 |
| Khertan | javispedro, but never do it as i didn't know sdl :) | 17:12 |
| Khertan | javispedro, thx ! | 17:12 |
| Khertan | javispedro, really nice idea | 17:13 |
| lardman | fcrochik: yeah you can encode vCards, MECARDs, etc in a QR code barcode, so I want to be able to import that | 17:13 |
| Khertan | jacekowski, ouch not all game are using sl | 17:13 |
| Khertan | sdl | 17:13 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:13 |
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| javispedro | yeah, lots of mojo games (chess, etc.) | 17:14 |
| lardman | fcrochik: mBarcode can already handle the case you're talking about, it will open the browser and download the file and it will be opened by the mime handler | 17:14 |
| jarkkom | anyone know if n900 expects certain kind of partitioning from sd card? I've got meego image taking first 2 partitions and then rest as fat32 but n900 doesn't seem to like that | 17:15 |
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| Khertan | javispedro, any idea of what is libpdl ? | 17:15 |
| alterego | jarkkom: I'm guessing it expects p1 to be fat32 | 17:15 |
| javispedro | jarkkom: first partition has to be fat32, then it will be mounted | 17:15 |
| javispedro | :) | 17:15 |
| javispedro | Khertan: yes, closed source. I'm reimplementing it, most functions already made it. | 17:16 |
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| Khertan | jarkkom, first partition must be fat32 | 17:16 |
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| javispedro | let's say it's an equivalent to maemo's libosso, liblocation, libplayback in one single library | 17:16 |
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| alterego | urgh | 17:17 |
| javispedro | and they say we are unhelpful! | 17:17 |
| fcrochik | lardman: I tried mbarcode but it seems that the plugins stopped working after pr1.3.... do you know how much information you can encode on a qr code? would be even nicer if we could encode the actual "vcs" file... :) | 17:18 |
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| Khertan | javispedro, blades seems working :) | 17:18 |
| jarkkom | ok, I think I might be better off just buying cheapo 4GB sd card for meego/nitdroid testing | 17:19 |
| derf | fcrochik: In theory about 3K, but in practice much less, given the resolution of the camera and quality of the optics. | 17:19 |
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| lardman | fcrochik: yeah plugins have stopped working | 17:20 |
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| lardman | fcrochik: how large a vcs file are you thinking? | 17:20 |
| lardman | also, vcs is not iirc handled by the mime handler | 17:21 |
| lardman | I thought you were talking about vcf, my apologies | 17:21 |
| fcrochik | lardman: I didn't know you were the "mbarcode" parent... have to say: great job! the new interface looks great! | 17:21 |
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| fcrochik | lardman: | 17:22 |
| lardman | That's dragly's doing actually, I don't know any opengl | 17:22 |
| fcrochik | lardman: sorry I was actually talking about vcf.... it is just that vcs would be next :) | 17:22 |
| lardman | ah sure | 17:22 |
| javispedro | Khertan: :) I only have two pre games to test with | 17:22 |
| fcrochik | lardman: I thought about a small "business card" basic information ... | 17:22 |
| lardman | I'd also like to parse and add vcs files | 17:22 |
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| lardman | but yeah, mBarcode should (once the plugins are working again) be able to hand those sorts of things | 17:23 |
| lardman | s/hand/handle | 17:23 |
| Khertan | javispedro, this is why i inform you that it seems to works :) | 17:23 |
| Khertan | javispedro, nice jobs with a such limited test | 17:23 |
| fcrochik | lardman: it would be great to not have to depend on internet connection for this... that is why I thought about encoding the contents and not the url... of course I don't know if any application would support it | 17:24 |
| javispedro | Khertan: one thing I will do is request test cases, also the emphasize that preenv can be used to port games | 17:24 |
| lardman | fcrochik: mBarcode will, assuming the barcode is small enough | 17:24 |
| javispedro | it's not an emulator, just a set of libraries, so you can link with them and release your game to ovi store, tc. | 17:24 |
| lardman | I will add vcs parsing | 17:24 |
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| lardman | vcf already works as I mentioned | 17:24 |
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| lardman | either as an encoded url or just the raw vcard in the barcode | 17:25 |
| lardman | ah, dragly, speak of the devil ;) | 17:25 |
| fcrochik | lardman: that is great! do you know if this is something that other applications that handle qr will understand too? I thought about adding it to my business card | 17:25 |
| lardman | yeah most apps will handle encoded vcard | 17:26 |
| dragly | hi lardman! | 17:26 |
| dragly | trying to update the packages now to see if the dep change helped | 17:26 |
| fcrochik | lardman: how do you generate qr codes? I found this http://qrcode.kaywa.com/ | 17:26 |
| madduck | has anyone come up with a way to display text/html parts referencing attached images? | 17:27 |
| dragly | there's also one here, which works, if I recall correctly: http://www.mobile-barcodes.com/qr-code-generator/ | 17:27 |
| Khertan | javispedro, except that ovistore require no external depandancies :) | 17:28 |
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| madduck | sorry, ECHAN | 17:28 |
| javispedro | Khertan: *sigh* | 17:28 |
| alterego | This will be interesting, not used QtDBus before .. | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | javispedro, this is why you will not see python apps, game in it :) | 17:28 |
| fcrochik | dragly: cool! thanks! | 17:29 |
| jacktheripper | can anyone give me a `dpkg --get-selections` on pastebin from a PR1.3 device ? | 17:29 |
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| javispedro | Khertan: stupid, stupid, stupid. as usual. | 17:29 |
| Khertan | javispedro, nokia style | 17:30 |
| Khertan | this is why every developpers say that ovistore sucks | 17:30 |
| javispedro | which is a clone of the apple style | 17:30 |
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| Khertan | hmmm in fact just one of the reasons :) | 17:30 |
| Khertan | there is more | 17:30 |
| Khertan | :) | 17:30 |
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| Khertan | s/is/are | 17:31 |
| Khertan | plenty more | 17:31 |
| dreamer | hmmm, too bad thedailyshow.com needs flash10 | 17:31 |
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| CreamyG | does someone need to insert a quarter into talk.maemo.org? | 17:32 |
| dragly | lardman: The repackaging of the mbarcode packages worked! :) | 17:33 |
| jacktheripper | pwetty pweathe ? `dpkg --get-selections` on pastebin from PR1.3 ? | 17:33 |
| dragly | that is, we have the webrequest plugin up and running again for mbarcode | 17:33 |
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| dragly | seems like the upgrade to Qt4.7 only created a binary incompatibility with the old builds. I'll repackage the rest of the plugins now :) | 17:34 |
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| TriztFromWork | dreamer: do they use any of the features in flash10 or just been idiots and "require" the version while just using old features? if the later, install "Tweak Flash plugin" | 17:36 |
| fcrochik | dragly: webrequest working nice here! :) can't wait for the others... | 17:37 |
| dreamer | TriztFromWork: well, when I go to the pageit says I need flash, so I guess some requirement | 17:37 |
| TriztFromWork | dreamer: you used "tweak flash plugin" and changed that your flash will identify itself as version10? | 17:38 |
| dreamer | oh, nope | 17:38 |
| dreamer | is that in the repos? | 17:38 |
| TriztFromWork | it's in the extra I think | 17:39 |
| dreamer | ok | 17:39 |
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| SWFu | Is the anyway to extract the data from an n900 backup to a readable format? I lost my phone the other weekend and still waiting for the replacement. | 17:39 |
| SWFu | MAinly just the numbers I'm after for now | 17:40 |
| SWFu | I see what look like a table of numbers with a primary index on, not the name | 17:40 |
| dreamer | TriztFromWork: it says pr1.2 only, I have pr1.3 now | 17:40 |
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| jacktheripper | well, can anyone send me the output of 'dpkg --get-selections' on pastebin running PR1.3 or not ? :D pwease! it's easy! | 17:41 |
| TriztFromWork | dreamer: I have it installed on my pr1.3 (updated today), but I did do install while it still was 1.2 | 17:41 |
| hrw-uds | SWFu: backup iirc is set of archives | 17:41 |
| TriztFromWork | dreamer: seems it won't work on 1.3 | 17:41 |
| dreamer | TriztFromWork: hmm, I'll check, maybe it's still a comment from when pr1.2 just came out | 17:41 |
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| dreamer | TriztFromWork: ok, not? | 17:42 |
| SWFu | Yeah I just wondered if theresany tools to get the data back out, I'm looking at a list of vcards now. | 17:42 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: still? | 17:42 |
| SWFu | Maybe I'll just have to knock something together with Python to extract the namesand numbers | 17:42 |
| TriztFromWork | dreamer; it modifies the flash plugin file and the flash plugin file in 1.3 isn't the same as in 1.2 | 17:42 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, lost phone and messaging functionality XD | 17:42 |
| dreamer | TriztFromWork: can you use the player on dailyshow? | 17:42 |
| lardman | fcrochik, dragly: sorry, had to talk to someone | 17:43 |
| lardman | dragly: do plugins work now? | 17:43 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, so I'm just try to get a list to diff with mine and install whatever's missing. | 17:43 |
| jacktheripper | s/try/trying/ | 17:43 |
| infobot | jacktheripper meant: chem|st, so I'm just trying to get a list to diff with mine and install whatever's missing. | 17:43 |
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| TriztFromWork | dreamer; sorry, the old plugin I had has been replaced, so I'm having the same trouble as you do, have to wait for an upgrade of "tewak flash plugin version" | 17:44 |
| dreamer | ah, ok | 17:44 |
| TriztFromWork | wasn't there a hack how to use the flashplugin from android? | 17:44 |
| dreamer | probably just a recompile with the new headers or something? | 17:44 |
| lardman | fcrochik: I posted another link in the TMO mBarcode thread recently, this one generates vCards, MECARDs, etc | 17:44 |
| chem|st | jacktheripper: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24016 | 17:44 |
| * dreamer afk | 17:44 | |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, thanks a bunch, mate :) | 17:45 |
| jacktheripper | chem|st, it's incomplete actually :( could you output to a file and pastebin that ? | 17:45 |
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| fcrochik | lardman: the webrequest plugin works... I tried a vcard qr but mbarcode could not scan it when printed on a 1 x 1in area....on a larger area it worked...does it make sense? | 17:45 |
| lardman | yeah, if the res is not high enough to resolve the individual blobs | 17:46 |
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| fcrochik | lardman: It seems that the issue is more with the focus (camera) then anything else... because I made both fit the entire are on the phone... | 17:47 |
| dragly | lardman: Yep. At least the webrequest does. | 17:47 |
| dragly | Did you push a new version of QR Code at any time? I can't see any updates in the changelog. | 17:47 |
| dragly | Or was it only to SVN? | 17:47 |
| lardman | only to SVN | 17:48 |
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| lardman | and nothing major - the mecard stuff isn't working yet | 17:48 |
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| jacktheripper | chem|st, http://pastebin.ca/ supports file upload | 17:49 |
| steinex | my application manager is still complaining about missing "libtelephaty-qt4-0", libtpsession, libgq-gconf0, though i HAVE uninstalled them via dpkg -r .... any hints? | 17:49 |
| steinex | this is about upgrading to PR1.3 of course | 17:49 |
| dragly | ok :) what plugins needs repackaging btw? isbn, qrcode, wifi, ii and webrequest that I know of. What about ExternalDBus, PythonQt and itemdb? Are they ready to be pushed? | 17:49 |
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| chem|st | jacktheripper: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24017 | 17:50 |
| lardman | itemdb can be removed from the repo, I'm re-writing that as a stand-alone to use ExternalDBus | 17:50 |
| dragly | ah, ok | 17:51 |
| lardman | ExternalDBus and PythonQt need debugging | 17:51 |
| lardman | which is where I stopped at lunch time with the plugins not working | 17:51 |
| dragly | lardman: so no packaging for those then. | 17:51 |
| lardman | no thanks | 17:51 |
| javispedro | gentleman, do you think sha256()ing the IMEI would be good as a unique device ID (potentially sent to third-parties?) | 17:51 |
| lardman | (they build, but just don't do anything yet) | 17:51 |
| alterego | Wow, now that is sweet. | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: not really | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: well, depends what do you need it for | 17:52 |
| dragly | lardman: should itemdb be removed from svn too? | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: imei has limited number of combinations | 17:52 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: distinguish one device from another one, while also not giving the third party my imei number | 17:52 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: on specific positions | 17:52 |
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| javispedro | jacekowski: I'm worried they could just create a rainbow table and deduce imei from hash | 17:53 |
| jacekowski | not giving third party imei number is not going to happen | 17:53 |
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| alterego | So preenv is actually available in extras-devel | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: The imei range is pretty limited. | 17:53 |
| * alterego gets a game off of his girls' phone | 17:53 | |
| alterego | (I bought it I might as well try and play it) ^.^ | 17:54 |
| Appiah | everyone likes rainbows! | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: i would just crack it for fun | 17:54 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: combination of imei + mac ? | 17:54 |
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| javispedro | jacekowski: I'd guess. What strategy? | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | bruteforce probably | 17:54 |
| dragly | All right, all plugins pushed to extras-devel in one batch now. I wonder how the autobuilder feels about getting all at once... | 17:54 |
| javispedro | aka tables | 17:55 |
| jacekowski | it's only 14 digits | 17:55 |
| jacekowski | but then you have limits on things like country code | 17:55 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: sounds reasonable, and adds more input size | 17:55 |
| jacekowski | manufacturer code | 17:55 |
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| jacekowski | model number | 17:56 |
| Termana | alterego, 'your girl' has a palm pre? | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? you want to know my IMEI. can post a hunderd to pastebin | 17:56 |
| jacekowski | so you limit search range a lot | 17:56 |
| jacekowski | then you have check digit | 17:57 |
| sobczyk | anyone tried android on n900? | 17:57 |
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| jacekowski | sobczyk: lot of people | 17:57 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: by "check digit" any secondary simpler hash (crc, check digit)? | 17:58 |
| javispedro | *you mean any secondary.. | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, why? | 17:58 |
| sobczyk | is it heavily modifying the phone? or how easy to reverse | 17:58 |
| lcuk | what do you need a UID for | 17:58 |
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| jacekowski | javispedro: i mean that one of digits in imei is a check digit | 17:58 |
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| javispedro | jacekowski: ah | 17:58 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: implementing a GetUniqueID function. I got a patch that just returns IMEI which I'm not sure about. | 17:59 |
| javispedro | lcuk: for preenv. | 17:59 |
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| jacekowski | how does it work on palm? | 17:59 |
| lcuk | so this GetUniqueID() api method is used by certain pre games for whatever they need? | 18:00 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: closed source. it returns a 64-byte base64 string (which sounds like a 20-something-byte hash) | 18:00 |
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| javispedro | lcuk: yeah, I'd guess to be sent over a network. | 18:01 |
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| jacekowski | i would just create some one time programmable random value in cal | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | and use it | 18:01 |
| lcuk | then return base64("4") | 18:01 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: 42!!! | 18:02 |
| javispedro | lcuk: I currently return "0000" =) | 18:02 |
| lcuk | http://xkcd.com/221/ | 18:02 |
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| javispedro | heh | 18:03 |
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| lcuk | i bet something like base64(md5(imei)) would be reasonable | 18:04 |
| lcuk | as you suggested already | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | Nah, that can pinpoint your imei exactly. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just search the space and generate hashes.. | 18:04 |
| X-Fade | Only needs a 1M rainbow table, which is really small. | 18:04 |
| javispedro | agreed... | 18:04 |
| jacekowski | using non standard hash function would make it harder | 18:05 |
| ZogG | anyone had sms's bug - when not all sms's displayed in history of conversation box | 18:05 |
| ZogG | need help with it | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: known bug | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | Just add mac addresses. | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: not fixed yet | 18:05 |
| lcuk | how does the pre game server know that its coming from an n900 | 18:05 |
| lcuk | and why would it matter | 18:05 |
| ZogG | X-Fade hey | 18:05 |
| ZogG | X-Fade, Stskeeps here? | 18:05 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: mac adress is only 3 bytes long ( i mean significant bytes ) | 18:05 |
| lcuk | thats enough for salt | 18:06 |
| javispedro | lcuk: it currently knows because ID is "0000", and it will in the future also know when id is just "4" or "42" | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | first 3 bytes are manufacturer specific | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | if you do it like that i WILL make public service to crack imei and mac adresses | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: use random number | 18:06 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: stored in file/cal | 18:06 |
| lcuk | javispedro, what I mean is - if imei is good enough to pass to nokia, why isn't it good enough hashed up to be passed elsewhere | 18:07 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: you will crack 1M * 2^18 ? | 18:07 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: yes | 18:07 |
| lardman | dragly: yes itemdb can be removed | 18:07 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: it's not that much | 18:07 |
| jacekowski | 2^18==262k | 18:08 |
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| javispedro | I guess I am underrating current computing power :) | 18:08 |
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| Lynoure | Uh, seems my system has some cruft on / and even debfoster depends on something noninstallable | 18:09 |
| alterego | Termana: yeah, | 18:09 |
| jacekowski | with imei you have like 6 significant digits ( rest is manufacturer specific, model specific stuff ) | 18:09 |
| lardman|busy | dragly: did you see fcrochik's comment about not being able to scan a 1 inch square QR code on a business card? | 18:09 |
| Lynoure | as the result, no OTA upgrade for me. :( | 18:09 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: I guess I will go the imei+rand() number route, but ignore the cal part for now | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | so that's 10^6*2^18+little bit more for some stuff in imei that's not exactly known but it's in very limited range | 18:10 |
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| jacekowski | and that's including MAC | 18:11 |
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| jacekowski | it could be cracked on n900 in minutes | 18:11 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, is it used by games for things like high scores and stuff? | 18:12 |
| alterego | jacekowski: I thought there was just manu specific, the model stuff is implied by a manufacturers database. | 18:12 |
| javispedro | lcuk: not sure. | 18:12 |
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| alterego | But I'm not sure tbh :) | 18:12 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, I can crack my own IMEI on my n900 in seconds! *#06# | 18:12 |
| dragly | lardman|busy: yep, but I don't know what might cause it. I know small qr codes are a bit hard to read out, but I'll try myself. | 18:13 |
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| dragly | lardman|busy: 1 inch isn't that small after all | 18:13 |
| lardman|busy | dragly: quite | 18:13 |
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| lardman|busy | depends how much info was encoded though | 18:13 |
| javispedro | it's getting functions like, GetDeviceUserName(), getUniqueID() that so far on Maemo you have to link with god-knows libraries and call god-knows dbus functions | 18:13 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: yeah, but you know that it's either palm or nokia | 18:13 |
| dragly | that's true | 18:13 |
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| alterego | sure | 18:14 |
| lardman|busy | am just updating, but what about this one: http://www.civillibrarian.com/2009/09/digital-business-card.html | 18:14 |
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| alterego | libSDL_cinema.so not found :( | 18:14 |
| javispedro | (basically something like qt-mobility...) | 18:14 |
| alterego | Oh ,I'm and idiot :D | 18:15 |
| javispedro | alterego: you are not doing it well | 18:15 |
| lardman|busy | hmm, well HAM is no faster in pr1.3 anyway | 18:15 |
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| Thunderfest | hello all | 18:16 |
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| Thunderfest | well it seems Pr 1.3 OTA update killed my n900 | 18:17 |
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| maybeArgh | hmm | 18:17 |
| Thunderfest | I cannot get it to boot at all | 18:18 |
| maybeArgh | is it me or did battery life improve with PR1.3? | 18:18 |
| alterego | Wow, that is cool | 18:18 |
| Termana | infobot, tell Thunderfest about flashing | 18:18 |
| alterego | Just played need for speed :D | 18:18 |
| Thunderfest | I know how to flash | 18:18 |
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| Termana | Thunderfest, sounds like you'll need it then | 18:18 |
| maybeArgh | i'm still at about 4/5, normally it's way down 1/2 by now | 18:18 |
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| Termana | it, being - to flash | 18:19 |
| Thunderfest | yeah I know but I cannot get it to connect over usb | 18:19 |
| lcuk | maybeArgh, how did you update? | 18:19 |
| Thunderfest | holding u while boot makes no difference | 18:19 |
| maybeArgh | OTA | 18:19 |
| Thunderfest | OTA | 18:19 |
| maybeArgh | too lazy for a complete reflash | 18:19 |
| Termana | Thunderfest, you're holding U while plugging the cord in? | 18:20 |
| Thunderfest | yes | 18:20 |
| * lardman|busy prays that Meego has an installation method more akin to the bg stuff done on Android | 18:20 | |
| javispedro | lcuk: (unique-id) at least it is used as a way to distinguish devices on a local network for a multiplayer game (as per the "bug report" I got) | 18:21 |
| Thunderfest | I have reflashed many times before..own an n800 and n810 and am generally well versed and ontop of nokia tables | 18:21 |
| dragly | Thunderfest: I suppose this might be a silly question, but still: You've tried to charge it for at least 10 min before connecting? That is, with the regular charger. | 18:21 |
| javispedro | but with the recent stats about "nearly every iPhone application sending imei out to the WWW in plain text" =) | 18:21 |
| Thunderfest | yes I charges it overnight | 18:21 |
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| dragly | And you've picked out the battery and placed it again? (I've experienced a couple of times that the device wasn't responding at all before I replaced the battery) | 18:22 |
| alterego | So, yesterday PR1.3 today preenv, wow :D | 18:22 |
| alterego | MeeGo release on Thursday ^.^ | 18:22 |
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| jacekowski | tomorrow androidenv | 18:22 |
| alterego | pfft | 18:23 |
| Thunderfest | yes I have reseated the battery many times over | 18:23 |
| javispedro | or iphoneenv | 18:23 |
| jacekowski | and next iphoneenv | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Thunderfest: still this symptom indicates low battery | 18:23 |
| SwedeMike | after the upgrade it went back to stock kernel instead of the power kernel I used to have, I wonder if I tried the power | 18:23 |
| SwedeMike | save settings too much, because phone feels much quicker. What are you all running, stock kernel or the power one? | 18:23 |
| jacekowski | i run power but with default settings | 18:23 |
| jacekowski | i mean default frequency stuff | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nobody needs power (unless he needs it) | 18:24 |
| dragly | lardman|busy: all mbarcode plugins uploaded and built now. I'll test to see if they're all working as well. | 18:24 |
| Thunderfest | it starts to boot and I do see the nokia logo with no backlight but after about 1 second it restarts and shows the nokia logo for a few more seconds then seems to power off and display a solid yellow light | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | low bat | 18:25 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: wifi AP | 18:26 |
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| dragly | Thunderfest: Is the yellow light from the LED? | 18:26 |
| lardman|busy | dragly: reckon that broken dep was pulling in Qt 4.6? They seem to be working now | 18:26 |
| dRbiG | mhm, what a big update for maemo, 85mb, scary :) | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: yep you qualify for 'need it' | 18:26 |
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| Thunderfest | yes from the LED | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Thunderfest: you're in a pinch unless you manage to completely charge your bat | 18:27 |
| lardman|busy | dragly: That QR code business card I linked to works fine, I'll have to ask fcrochik what he was trying to look at | 18:27 |
| dragly | lardman|busy: Something like that. At least the libqt4-opengl-dev was unecessary. I dunno if a local build in SB would work now or wether the packages in autobuilder are newer? | 18:27 |
| lardman|busy | I'll test when I get home | 18:28 |
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| lardman|busy | but they should be the same.... | 18:28 |
| dragly | other than that, the QR plugin needed a dep update with regards to libqtm-dev | 18:28 |
| dragly | yeah, I thought so too, but then its strange that you managed to build at all | 18:28 |
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| dragly | unless your libqt-opengl-dev still remained, but created some conflict. | 18:29 |
| dragly | Dunno really, just glad i works now :) | 18:29 |
| lardman|busy | same here, thanks for sorting that out | 18:29 |
| Thunderfest | I had it pluged in charging all night last night..but it was a non-nokia made microusb charger...you don't think the nokia branded charger does anything different do you? | 18:29 |
| dragly | Updating is slow as always, though... Still waiting for my device to get through the packages. | 18:29 |
| lardman|busy | yeah, mine took a few minutes | 18:30 |
| dragly | Thunderfest: Worst case it might have delivered less power than needed. The symptoms are as DocScrutinizer51 says, very much like the ones of low battery. | 18:30 |
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| lardman|busy | and nearly killed a phone call that I received half way through | 18:30 |
| dragly | Thunderfest: You don't happen to have a charger nearby though? | 18:30 |
| Thunderfest | Yeah I just went and got my nokia charger | 18:31 |
| lardman|busy | I'm beginning to think that if HAM is running the phone should just go offline to save the pain of trying to use it at the same time | 18:31 |
| dragly | lardman|busy: That's always fun! Phonecalls during software updates yield the most interesting results. | 18:31 |
| lardman|busy | :) | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Thunderfest: usual chargers often don't have the D+- short | 18:31 |
| lardman|busy | stabbing touchscreen as the laggy rotation happens, etc. | 18:31 |
| Thunderfest | see my wife has a blackberry that also uses microusb and she pick up my charger a few weeks ago and we had not yet till just now switched back | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Thunderfest: so they make N900 "charge" @ 100mA | 18:32 |
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| dragly | lardman|busy: Yep. Although, I'm very glad to see that the voice sending and recieving is routed around the CPU to avoid problems there. I guess that's on a completely different chip. | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | odds are it actually DIScharges while plugged to such charger | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | my charger failed | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | not working at all now | 18:33 |
| lardman|busy | dragly: yes there's a separate gms chip | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: one of mine did as well | 18:33 |
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| lardman|busy | s/gms/gsm | 18:33 |
| ZogG | <jacekowski> ZogG: known bug // what you mean known? just reported yesterday and it's unconfirmed by maemo dev =( | 18:33 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: we had couple other people here with this problem | 18:34 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: today | 18:34 |
| Thunderfest | well the other charger worked fine and did recharge my device quite well for multiple weeks but I guess I should not of tried to update using it | 18:34 |
| ZogG | Stskeeps lcuk you are on hildon development as well - right? | 18:34 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 18:34 |
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| ZogG | jacekowski so why the F they are not reporting, it's hard to report alone things like that, do you know who is it - so they help me with it? | 18:35 |
| lcuk | ZogG, whats the bug# | 18:35 |
| Thunderfest | I have it plugged into the nokia wall charger now but it still seems to be stuck in the same reboot loop | 18:35 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: it's reported once | 18:35 |
| Thunderfest | no flashing LED as if it were charging | 18:35 |
| dragly | Thunderfest: Try leaving it there for about 10-20 mins, then try to reflash again. | 18:35 |
| alterego | Interesting, I bzip'd a tar file and it came out bigger | 18:35 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: reporting it multiple times is not going to help | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | any gpg geeks? :P | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Thunderfest: told you you're in a pinch | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, in soviet russia... | 18:36 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i have gpg keys | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, how do I get the key fingerprint from a public key | 18:36 |
| ZogG | who is on hildon development? i thought to maintain hildon as separete package to extra-dev | 18:36 |
| dragly | I had a reboot loop some time back (after knowledgeless hacking) and it took some attempts to get it speaking with the USB again. | 18:36 |
| MohammadAG | extras-devel can't hold new packages for hildon | 18:37 |
| ZogG | jacekowski i reported it, noone excep me is there | 18:37 |
| Thunderfest | DocScrutinizer: what if I just bought a replacement battery, it should ship with enough charge to reflash right? | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Thunderfest: the recommendation to completely charge battery prior to flashing is no joke | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | or any system packages | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Thunderfest: usually yes | 18:37 |
| ZogG | jacekowski reported it straight after update | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | an SSU can, which is why I've been working on it atm | 18:37 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG why not? | 18:37 |
| lcuk | ZogG, forget logistics of things, whats the bug number | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 18:37 |
| ZogG | 11450 | 18:38 |
| lcuk | bug 11450 | 18:38 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's | 18:38 |
| dragly | MohammadAG: gpg --fingerprint ID | 18:38 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG so? can it replace only part? | 18:38 |
| ZogG | damn timeouts!! =( | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: gpg --fingerprint | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, an SSU can, stay tuned | 18:38 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, dragly it's not a local key | 18:38 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why all "vertical" virtual keyboards are "phone"/t9 alikes. I never used "phone" keyboard for text entry and i find it extremely uncomfortable. | 18:38 | |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: download it from server | 18:38 |
| lcuk | ZogG, thats not hildon-* anyway | 18:38 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG i would like to help, but mostly i can be like monkey - make something once explained to me with no knolegde =) | 18:39 |
| ZogG | knowledge * | 18:39 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: gpg --recv-keys 9CF9F54A | 18:39 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski:~# gpg --fingerprint | 18:39 |
| jacekowski | pub 2048R/9CF9F54A 2010-07-16 Key fingerprint = 30A0 19DB 8E1B 12D2 30EE 9990 62E8 50E6 9CF9 F54A | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | bbl | 18:39 |
| wazd | Javispedro, ping? :) | 18:39 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG btw matan's one should be forked | 18:40 |
| ZogG | i mean it shouldn't be hildo anymore | 18:40 |
| ZogG | holdon* as he added things | 18:40 |
| wazd | Hello all | 18:40 |
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| jacekowski | ZogG: look | 18:40 |
| jacekowski | ZogG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9866 | 18:40 |
| povbot | Bug 9866: Revised display does not show most recent IM / SMS text | 18:40 |
| * lardman|busy does like the way pr1.3 doesn't bother to show the phone ui after a call finishes and just locks itself | 18:40 | |
| MohammadAG | conversations was epic on 1.0 | 18:40 |
| javispedro | wazd: pong | 18:40 |
| ZogG | jacekowski what is the number of bug reported - they should be marked as duplicated | 18:41 |
| jacekowski | yeah, somebody has to do it by hand | 18:41 |
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| jacekowski | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456 | 18:42 |
| povbot | Bug 11456: History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 | 18:42 |
| povbot | Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's | 18:42 |
| dolp | i had a conversations crash yesterday... but not sure what i did :p | 18:43 |
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| wazd | Javispedro, I knew you're the man, but you're a goddamn MAN man :D | 18:48 |
| javispedro | wazd: thanks :P | 18:50 |
| ZogG | jacekowski those 3 different bugs | 18:50 |
| Arkenoi | quite strange, i had no porblems with history, though i did backup/restore, maybe it does matter? | 18:50 |
| wazd | I hope pr1.3 has fixred my "stop playing music after 2 minutes" bug :) | 18:50 |
| wazd | Javispedro: now I need to figure out where to get some Pre stuff in Russia :) | 18:51 |
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| wazd | Oops | 18:52 |
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| opdf2 | besides tweak flash, any other apps not compatible with 1.3 yet? | 18:52 |
| mikki-kun | btw, is the current release really rated as pr1.3? | 18:52 |
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| opdf2 | MyContacts | 18:52 |
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| andre__ | wazd, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10536 ? | 18:54 |
| povbot | Bug 10536: Media Player starts to play music with no user intervention | 18:54 |
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| Thunderfest | I just called a local battery store and he claims to have a machine that can recharge my battery he also has some replacements batteries in stock that he can sell me fully charged | 18:55 |
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| wazd | Andre, no, actually I have exactly the opposite problem :) | 18:55 |
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| andre__ | geez | 18:56 |
| wazd | Andre: media player stops playing the song exactly after 120 seconds | 18:56 |
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| wazd | Andre: not every song though | 18:57 |
| dos1 | ~pr1.3 | 18:57 |
| infobot | it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 18:57 |
| alterego | Thunderfest: do you have any other Nokia handsets or internet tablets? | 18:58 |
| dos1 | ~flashing | 18:58 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:58 |
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| wazd | Andre: after 2 months of experiments I've figured out that it usually does that with "fresh" songs i.e. Songs that haven't been played after reboot | 18:58 |
| Thunderfest | alterego, here at the moment I just have an n800 | 18:59 |
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| alterego | Thunderfest: and you're looking for replacements of the N800? | 19:00 |
| alterego | s/of/for/ | 19:01 |
| infobot | alterego meant: Thunderfest: and you're looking for replacements for the N800? | 19:01 |
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| Thunderfest | no no I updated my n900 to PR 1.3 OTA last night and it failed now my n900 is stuck in a reboot loop and I cannot reflash | 19:01 |
| ZogG | <jacekowski> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 // that's mine | 19:02 |
| povbot | Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's | 19:02 |
| alterego | Thunderfest: if you can physically put the N900 battery in the N800 with all three contacts connecting in the N800 (you can in the N810) you can charge the battery in the N800 | 19:02 |
| alterego | You might need to bad the battery in with something to keep the contacts connected. | 19:02 |
| alterego | ~pad | 19:02 |
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| Thunderfest | actualy I have an n810 here..your telling me I can use it to charge my n900 battery? | 19:03 |
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| alterego | Thunderfest: yup :) | 19:03 |
| wazd | Orly | 19:04 |
| wazd | That's sorta cool :) | 19:05 |
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| alterego | A friend of mine was doing it when his loaner usb fell out | 19:05 |
| Thunderfest | hrm connectors look right voltage is the same...looks like I will have to hold it in place though | 19:05 |
| Myrtti | isn't it the same battery one of the E7x phone has | 19:05 |
| alterego | And the 5800 | 19:06 |
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| wazd | E7x has n800 battery | 19:06 |
| Myrtti | aw. | 19:06 |
| wazd | Not n900 | 19:06 |
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| Thunderfest | I think it is pry a fairly common battery since my local battery shop has some in stock but no one around here sells n900s | 19:07 |
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| Thunderfest | now if only I could find the n810 charger! | 19:08 |
| * MohammadAG charges his N900 battery in an N95 | 19:08 | |
| MohammadAG | or a 5800 | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG | or an E66 :P | 19:08 |
| sobczyk | why maemo update requires pc suite? | 19:08 |
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| andre__ | sobczyk, what is the exact string? often happens when you have 3rd party apps installed that block an over-the-air update | 19:09 |
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| * Myrtti stares at her N95 with a murderous look | 19:09 | |
| Thunderfest | sobczyk: you get that message when you have some packages installed that conflict with the update | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | her? | 19:09 |
| Myrtti | MohammadAG: _o/ | 19:10 |
| Myrtti | hello | 19:10 |
| jauiwojau | question: is it possible to change the default application to open certain file types. E.g. I want to open *.jpg files with the default browser instead of the standard image viewer... | 19:10 |
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| jauiwojau | system: maemo 5 on N900 | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | that's not something you see everyday :P | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | and hi | 19:10 |
| Myrtti | MohammadAG: have you been living in a cave for the past years? | 19:10 |
| Myrtti | it's hardly a secret :-D | 19:10 |
| sobczyk | To update to the newest operating system, you have to use Nokia pc suite , available on PC. Connect device to pc and run the app - free translation | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG | WTF | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | my N900 called someone from my contact list when I opened contacts | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | Myrtti, no, closet | 19:11 |
| Myrtti | that'd explain it | 19:11 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 19:11 |
| sobczyk | Thunderfest: is there a way to check what is causing the problem? | 19:11 |
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| Myrtti | better wifi/3G reception in a closet than a cave, I imagine | 19:11 |
| air | are the maemo forums down for everyone for a majority of every day or just for me? | 19:12 |
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| nax3000 | quick question: if I have an OC'd powerkernel, do I need to uninstall it before flashing to pr1.3? | 19:12 |
| Myrtti | yes | 19:12 |
| Myrtti | er, sorry | 19:12 |
| Myrtti | air: yes | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | ~isitdown is http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | 19:12 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: okay | 19:12 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG are you nokia fanboy? so many phones | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, no, I was going to leave Nokia after the N97 | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | then the N900 came | 19:13 |
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| Thunderfest | sobczyk: tap the details button and it will list the conflicting packages on one of the tabs | 19:13 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG i used sonyerricson =) | 19:13 |
| nax3000 | oh god erricon's are terrible | 19:13 |
| air | MohammadAG: nice site, thanks | 19:13 |
| sobczyk | Thunderfest: there is no details, next to message about pc suite there's only "backup" button | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | my dad has the E66, 58000 is a relative's, N86 is my mom's and the N95 is what I had and will never sell | 19:13 |
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| nax3000 | if they didn't have sony on their phones they would have gotten bankrupt | 19:13 |
| nax3000 | (again) | 19:14 |
| wazd | MohammadAG, my n900 has called some random, but existing number being locked in my pocket one day | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 19:14 |
| kerio | lies! | 19:14 |
| kerio | the n900 is perfect! | 19:14 |
| * SpeedEvil realises the UK mobile network market is a quadropoly now. | 19:14 | |
| nax3000 | there was a guy riding on the bus with me every morning and I noticed he had a N900 | 19:15 |
| wazd | MohammadAG, that was totally freaky : )) | 19:15 |
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| nax3000 | today I saw him again and he pulled out an iphone | 19:15 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 19:15 |
| mikki-kun | >.< | 19:15 |
| Thunderfest | sobczyk: idk look around a bit maybe go back a screen or two | 19:15 |
| jauiwojau | Anyone has an answer to my question? (Or is this a social chat room?) | 19:15 |
| nax3000 | that was a terrible morning | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | wazd, I don't mind it calling random people, I just find it difficult to explain that to the other person | 19:15 |
| wazd | Nax3000, it was his twin bro, nm :) | 19:15 |
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| mikki-kun | jauiwojau: what was the question? (sorry, trying to multitask here and get my mind free) | 19:16 |
| nax3000 | well, it's not for everyone | 19:16 |
| jauiwojau | question: is it possible to change the default application to open certain file types. E.g. I want to open *.jpg files with the default browser instead of the standard image viewer... | 19:16 |
| jauiwojau | system: maemo 5 on N900 | 19:16 |
| nax3000 | but my gf gets a long with it so I guess that argument is invalid | 19:16 |
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| jauiwojau | mikke-kun: thanks for responding... | 19:16 |
| nax3000 | also can anyone please answer this: | 19:16 |
| nax3000 | quick question: if I have an OC'd powerkernel, do I need to uninstall it before flashing to pr1.3? | 19:16 |
| wazd | MohammadAG, I just don't understand how the hell it happened :) | 19:16 |
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| mikki-kun | jauiwojau: i guess there is... i've heard of it, but i haven't seriously taken it into account until now... *searching* | 19:17 |
| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: yea, had some trouble finding it on the Web. | 19:17 |
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| mikki-kun | if my interwebz would be faster i guess i could work more efficiently ^^ | 19:18 |
| andre__ | jauiwojau, I assume by setting another app for the mimetype. maybe in gconf | 19:19 |
| kerio | µ | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG | nax3000, no, the kernel will be overwritten | 19:19 |
| nax3000 | great, thanks | 19:19 |
| jauiwojau | andre__ that sounds plausible... | 19:19 |
| kerio | ~µ | 19:19 |
| kerio | hm | 19:19 |
| kerio | µ is Mooooo! | 19:19 |
| mikki-kun | maemo seems having problems loading | 19:20 |
| kerio | infobot: ... | 19:20 |
| infobot | [... = and your point is] or [... = go on] | 19:20 |
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| sobczyk | Thunderfest: I found on google talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=64328 though I can't read it (blocked by uni) and through webproxy it times out | 19:20 |
| andre__ | jauiwojau, but I might be wrong :-P | 19:20 |
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| mikki-kun | ohhh, could be emerge running the background which stresses my cpu... ^^ | 19:21 |
| nax3000 | so all pr1.3 does is add some new qt infrastructure? | 19:21 |
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| nax3000 | or are there genuine bugfixes? | 19:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | there are, supposedly | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | pulseaudio! | 19:22 |
| nax3000 | oh, so pulseaudio doesn't stutter now? | 19:23 |
| javispedro | nax3000: pulseaudio is slightly improved, and modest no longer tries to remember&send a dbus message for every fscking time I've launched it in my life | 19:23 |
| nax3000 | well, at least there's something | 19:23 |
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| andre__ | nax3000, see link on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 | 19:24 |
| Thunderfest | sobczyk: close the app manager, and restart it. when the updates first come up and it says maemo 5 and you click it, there should be a details button and an install button. click the details button and look through the tabs. | 19:24 |
| dneary_ | Hmmm | 19:24 |
| dneary_ | "Application list partially received" | 19:24 |
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| mikki-kun | are the maemo-servers having difficulties lately? | 19:25 |
| dneary_ | Does downloads.maemo.nokia.com not work any more? | 19:25 |
| mikki-kun | dneary_: here as well problems since last week monday i think | 19:25 |
| nax3000 | "music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web " - this is under "FIXE" so I guess it's gone now | 19:25 |
| mikki-kun | let's hope it is... | 19:25 |
| nax3000 | "Hardware T&K lock switch must be used twice to unlock dev... " FINALLY!! | 19:26 |
| mikki-kun | T&K? | 19:26 |
| nax3000 | no idea | 19:27 |
| nax3000 | but I hope it means what I think it means | 19:27 |
| nax3000 | also I hope the lockup when you get a call is fixed | 19:28 |
| javispedro | dneary_: as that is akamai, I guess it will get fixed soon | 19:28 |
| dneary_ | mikki-kun, Good to have confirmation | 19:28 |
| javispedro | I wonder if there are really so many N900 users that they slashdot'd talk.maemo.org, downloads.maemo.nokia.com, ... | 19:29 |
| RST38h | javispedro: there may be just a few really active trolls... | 19:29 |
| ml-mobile | like PradaBrada? | 19:30 |
| nax3000 | I'm going to make an assessment - | 19:30 |
| nax3000 | worldwide there must be at least 100k | 19:30 |
| jauiwojau | question 2: is MicroB the default browser on the N900? Somehow there is no "about/version info" in the browser of the N900... | 19:30 |
| nax3000 | lets say 30 percent of them have no idea about updates | 19:30 |
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| ml-mobile | yes, microB is the default browser | 19:31 |
| nax3000 | so yeah, that's enough to crash a site | 19:31 |
| sobczyk | Thunderfest: libgles1-sgx-img -- isn't that standard for the device? | 19:31 |
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| jauiwojau | ml-mobile: ah thanks | 19:31 |
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| Thunderfest | alterego: Thanks by jamming my n900 battery in the back on my 810 and holding it in place for 10 minutes I was able to get enough charge in to battery to reflash my n900 is saved!! | 19:32 |
| MohammadAG | bug 10613 | 19:32 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 screen glitches on incoming call | 19:32 |
| mikki-kun | hm, i guess i need to remake my n900... | 19:32 |
| mikki-kun | have some cam-problems | 19:32 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Fixed, isn't it/ | 19:32 |
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| mikki-kun | should i go pr1.3 or still reinstall 1.2? | 19:32 |
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| BCMM | javispedro: well, if there aren't many n900 users, they won't be set up for much traffic | 19:33 |
| Thunderfest | sobczyk: I had to remove that package too before I reflashed ....in terminal do ->sudo gainroot then apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img | 19:33 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, see my last comment | 19:33 |
| BCMM | javispedro: today, approximately their entire userbase are trying to use those sites at the same time | 19:33 |
| jauiwojau | is there a way to provide MicroB with command line parameters? Does it support these? | 19:33 |
| mikki-kun | jauiwojau: i read about these, there are | 19:34 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: <facepalm>. Not observing it here though | 19:34 |
| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: I can't find them... | 19:34 |
| mikki-kun | some are for tab-support, others for two-pane or multi-pane | 19:34 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: And the app menu inertia is not configurable either? | 19:34 |
| jauiwojau | MicroB --help doesn't do anything. | 19:35 |
| jauiwojau | etc. | 19:35 |
| jauiwojau | sorry microb --help | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | jauiwojau: what did you expect? nokia scraped close to everything away in regards of "help" or such stuff in xterm -.- | 19:35 |
| mikki-kun | busybox is most likely to be at fault though | 19:36 |
| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: strange. These help files wouldn't take much space I would think... | 19:36 |
| mikki-kun | jauiwojau: there is even a tool running which removes help-files and such stuff of every package... | 19:36 |
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| ZogG | chromium7 new xorg and transmission, sweet life =) | 19:37 |
| mikki-kun | search for it with "dpkg -l | grep remove" or such words | 19:37 |
| mikki-kun | so, should i reinstall pr1.2 or go 1.3? | 19:37 |
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| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: :-\ help files/man pages are my Bible... | 19:38 |
| mikki-kun | jauiwojau: mine as well | 19:38 |
| mikki-kun | especially since my brain does not remember every f'ine parameter | 19:38 |
| mikki-kun | and i think removing those makes it harder to learn | 19:38 |
| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: exactly... | 19:38 |
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| mikki-kun | and saving those 5MB of rootfs... they removed documentation every other linux has and every linux should have | 19:39 |
| mikki-kun | or i don't know how much, but i guess not real killer | 19:40 |
| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: ah. Is there a quick way to restore this info. Or do you have to basically rebuild all packages? | 19:40 |
| mikki-kun | i don't know... i am myself more of a user rather then a dev... | 19:41 |
| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: ah. Ok. | 19:42 |
| mikki-kun | i just started with c++ due to university | 19:42 |
| mikki-kun | and i guess i will go from there into some direction | 19:42 |
| mikki-kun | but not professionally... | 19:42 |
| jauiwojau | mikki-kun: Ah fun. I worked as a C++ programmer, 12 years ago... | 19:42 |
| air | mikki-kun: sorry to hear that | 19:42 |
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| mikki-kun | air: sorry to hear me learning c++? | 19:43 |
| tripzero | anyone know if "usb-otg port falling off" is covered by warranty? | 19:43 |
| mikki-kun | tripzero: which usb-otg port? | 19:43 |
| tripzero | the one on the n900 | 19:43 |
| air | mikki-kun: ya, c++ and java are two of the worst programming languages | 19:43 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: proper manpages for the nokia binaries and ...I think would considerably have sped updevelopment of some widgets | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | it's not otg | 19:44 |
| tripzero | air, compared to? | 19:44 |
| jauiwojau | air: Ah, :-). Java is indeed very verbose. | 19:44 |
| tripzero | blah, the usb port fell off | 19:44 |
| Thunderfest | java is junk but I use c++ everyday | 19:44 |
| tripzero | i know otg doesn't actually work | 19:44 |
| mikki-kun | air: c++ is imo pretty useful... | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | no | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | it's not OTG | 19:45 |
| MohammadAG | host mode != OTG | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: jauiwojau: apt-get install man-db-n900 (15MB iirc, but not on rootfs) | 19:45 |
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| RST38h | air: and the best programming language is... ? | 19:45 |
| jauiwojau | Thunderfest: but wrt to portability not many frameworks can beat java currently... | 19:45 |
| mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: isn't that online-man though only? | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 19:45 |
| ml-mobile | RST38h: C, of course ;) | 19:45 |
| Myrtti | tripzero: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-n900-microusb-defect-and-your-chance-to-do-something/ | 19:46 |
| air | RST38h: there is no perfect language but lisp, haskell, etc are far better than c++ | 19:46 |
| rokr1 | is it possible to install samba server in easy debian | 19:46 |
| rokr1 | ? | 19:46 |
| rokr1 | i get error message | 19:46 |
| Thunderfest | jauiwojau: c and c++ is just as portable it just needs to be recomplied..and is twice as fast | 19:46 |
| rokr1 | because of dependencies! | 19:46 |
| jauiwojau | Thunderfest: not completely true, if you work on another OS with other APIs. | 19:47 |
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| Thunderfest | air: lisp and haskell are very nice for writing down algorithms but not for building full systems | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | mikki-kun, it's 15MBs for a reason | 19:47 |
| V-ille | lisp is not all that portable either | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | I was looking into disabling docpurge | 19:48 |
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| MohammadAG | but then users would have to reinstall all packages | 19:48 |
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| MohammadAG | to get a simple manpage | 19:48 |
| mikki-kun | MohammadAG: does it mean it loads the mans down from the interwebz to the emmc? | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | so I opted for a package, man-db-pages, which contains most useful stuff you need | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | yes, man-db-pages install to /opt/man | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | then it calls mandb and creates a database | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | which rapes your battery for 5 minutes, then man-db should work | 19:49 |
| RST38h | air: How many commercial oropen source applications written in lisp do you know? | 19:49 |
| Thunderfest | jauiwojau: you can write your c and c++ in a way that doesn | 19:49 |
| Thunderfest | RST38h: good question! | 19:50 |
| jauiwojau | Thunderfest: Btw I graduated at a group where they tried to turn purely functional programming into an industrial strength programming language (http://wiki.clean.cs.ru.nl/Clean). | 19:50 |
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| jauiwojau | (very similar to Haskell, as a matter of fact, the research groups know each other well) | 19:51 |
| X-Fade | Brrr, Clean. That brings back memories. | 19:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: there's this issue in that "most commercial people" don't need a real language at all, but rather a VisualBasic-like "just select the .mdb and draw the form"-style app generator | 19:51 |
| jauiwojau | X-Fade: You know it!!! How? | 19:51 |
| RST38h | javis:actually, no | 19:51 |
| Thunderfest | jauiwojau: yes and my research advisor is trying to do the same http://www.cs.ecu.edu/karl/cinnameg/6-2/index.html | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | javis: you are talking of a limited set of apps, there are more sets | 19:52 |
| X-Fade | jauiwojau: I actually got classes during my education. | 19:52 |
| jauiwojau | Thunderfest: who is he? | 19:52 |
| javispedro | RST38h: but it's clearly the "biggest" one in terms of raw numbers | 19:52 |
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| jauiwojau | X-Fade: where? | 19:52 |
| air | rst: the yahoo store code was written in lisp and sold to yahoo | 19:52 |
| X-Fade | jauiwojau: Crazy teacher who wrote an unbeatable Scrabble ;) | 19:52 |
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| RST38h | air: has yahoo dumped it already? | 19:53 |
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| Thunderfest | jauiwojau: Karl Abrahamson | 19:53 |
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| RST38h | javis: yes,uis are dime a dozen | 19:53 |
| mavhc | apparently they've probably rewritten most of it in other languages | 19:53 |
| RST38h | no shit. | 19:54 |
| air | RST38h: not that i know of | 19:54 |
| X-Fade | jauiwojau: Paul de Mast was my teacher. | 19:54 |
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| jauiwojau | X-Fade: well functional programming requires some more abstraction. If you get that, it is so much more elegant... | 19:54 |
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| X-Fade | jauiwojau: Played with some MP3 id3 tags extracting in Clean. | 19:55 |
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| Thunderfest | jauiwojau: well dr. Abrahamson's language is more of a teaching tool then anything industrial strength but it does include an interesting mix of paradigms | 19:56 |
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| jauiwojau | X-Fade: fun I see him mentioned in a Google link Jan Kuper, who was in my Master's exam committee. The world is small... | 19:57 |
| jauiwojau | Google link WITH | 19:57 |
| RST38h | jauiwojau: Unfortunately, humans are not used to think in functionalprogramming terms | 19:57 |
| jauiwojau | RST38h: if that were true, it could not have been invented... | 19:57 |
| RST38h | jauiwojau: It is probably easier to teach students assembler than LISP | 19:57 |
| javispedro | it is | 19:57 |
| RST38h | jaui: Of course it could have been | 19:57 |
| Thunderfest | I wrote a suduku solver in haskell last week | 19:58 |
| RST38h | jaui: People invent allkinds of unnatural things | 19:58 |
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| mikki-kun | assembler? | 19:58 |
| mikki-kun | i guess teaching it might be easier, but understanding it will be a huge pita for most i assume | 19:58 |
| RST38h | Some of them are beautiful flights of fancy, but few are fit for public consumption | 19:59 |
| RST38h | mikki: not really | 19:59 |
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| air | you know that logo was derived from lisp to teach kids to program? | 19:59 |
| RST38h | mikki: comes naturally to people who have not done any programming yet | 19:59 |
| jauiwojau | RST38h: well in this case it is not so unnatural. One of its basic constituents is reflection, and that is in fact a very intuitive notion. | 20:00 |
| RST38h | air: Yes. And nobody knows anything about Logo outside of that dumb turtle thing | 20:00 |
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| mikki-kun | hm... i guess it depends rather on how one thinks | 20:00 |
| mikki-kun | if one thinks like a pc then it might be easier | 20:00 |
| RST38h | jauiwojau: One of the basic constituents of a mirror room is reflection. Mirror rooms are very confusing. | 20:00 |
| mikki-kun | if not, meaning on higher levels, it can be difficult to "go down! | 20:01 |
| mikki-kun | " | 20:01 |
| mikki-kun | -! | 20:01 |
| RST38h | mikki: Imagine that you do notknow C,C++, BASIC, and PASCAL | 20:02 |
| jauiwojau | RTS38h: :-) Analogies work both ways... Due to a mirror I can leave my house each morning tidy and well shaven... ;-) | 20:02 |
| Thunderfest | here is the main difference between functional and imperative programming....in imperitive your telling the complier how to do something in functional you telling the compiler what something is....so for things where you can exactly define them like quicksort functional is awesome and very elegant....but less great for whole systems | 20:02 |
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| RST38h | mikki: And somebody tells you that computer has those little registers with numbers and you can tell it what to do with numbers in simple steps | 20:02 |
| RST38h | mikki: Here is your assembly language | 20:02 |
| RST38h | mikki: Pointers come naturally there, as indices of memory cells in a huge pidgeonholes array | 20:03 |
| jauiwojau | ok but I think we are going off-topic. We should go to #philosophyofprogramminglanguages... ;-) | 20:03 |
| mikki-kun | pascal?! *throws everything he has at it to destroy it* | 20:03 |
| mikki-kun | i hate pascal -.- | 20:03 |
| RST38h | Speaking of weird phobias... | 20:03 |
| ml-mobile | hey now, pascal is better than BASIC as a first language | 20:04 |
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| V-ille | air: yahoo is no longer using the lisp stuff Paul Graham sold them, afaik | 20:04 |
| air | assembler is the best first language | 20:04 |
| mikki-kun | at some point nothing worked, even though i followed it by book >.< | 20:04 |
| RST38h | FE^HOCAL is the best first language | 20:04 |
| jauiwojau | thanks for the answers till so far. Nice to see that the community of N900 users are so deep into computer science/technology. | 20:04 |
| * RST38h laughs evilly | 20:04 | |
| V-ille | jauiwojau: what do you expect, n900 users are all programmers :) | 20:05 |
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| Thunderfest | its true | 20:05 |
| mikki-kun | V-ille: not all ;) but a majority is | 20:05 |
| V-ille | who isn't? | 20:05 |
| jauiwojau | V-ille: yeah, it was sold as a "mobile computer for hackers" so I thought I got to get one... | 20:05 |
| V-ille | destroy the infidel | 20:05 |
| jauiwojau | See you all. Bye! | 20:06 |
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| V-ille | the previous maemo devices were ok-ish, n900 seemed too good to be true | 20:06 |
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| V-ille | a device that let's you do stuff and is a phone as well | 20:06 |
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| air | n810 is better than n900 | 20:07 |
| V-ille | easily the best device for a programmer like me, and will probably stay at the top for quite some time | 20:07 |
| merlin1991 | I wonder how much users in here are not programmers in some way, gotta be close to 0 :D | 20:07 |
| V-ille | maybe it was a fluke, or freak accident for nokia :P | 20:07 |
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| mikki-kun | merlin1991: i wasn't a programmer when i bought my n900... | 20:07 |
| V-ille | air: well, it could be, but it doesn't have a 3G network | 20:07 |
| air | merlin1991: only programmers know how to use irc :) | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | air, not true look @ quakenet ;) | 20:08 |
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| air | merlin1991: only programmers play quake ;) | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 20:08 |
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| sobczyk | anyone had a bug with every popup (ie maemo menu) appearing hardly visible in top left corner? | 20:14 |
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| xDaReaperx | hmm no | 20:15 |
| sobczyk | ok, reboot fixed it | 20:15 |
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| javispedro | ~/.preenv-uid | 20:18 |
| javispedro | oops | 20:18 |
| RST38h | hehe | 20:19 |
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| RST38h | have you solved the problem of having to have the game in an executable filesystem? | 20:19 |
| javispedro | no, but.. is /tmp exec? =) | 20:20 |
| RST38h | mm...dynno | 20:20 |
| RST38h | dunno | 20:20 |
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| javispedro | either way, you should be able to put binary in /opt and symlink data files to MyDocs | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | yeah | 20:21 |
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| RST38h | probably need some automated way to turn this into one-click startup | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | /tmp is retarded | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | 1MB only afaik | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | or was that /var/tmp | 20:22 |
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| javispedro | yeah, size=1024kb | 20:23 |
| javispedro | even /dev/shm is 64MiB =) | 20:23 |
| javispedro | (probably because pulse uses it for its own dirty endeavors) | 20:23 |
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| RevdKathy | just checking - am I here? | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | no | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 20:39 |
| RevdKathy | ahh thank you - That's all I wanted to know! | 20:39 |
| RevdKathy | Off to Far Flung Places tomorrow, and making sure everything is working on the netbook :-) | 20:40 |
| RevdKathy | Of course, IRC may well be blocked... | 20:40 |
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| RevdKathy | but it's working :) | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG | proxies ftw | 20:40 |
| RevdKathy | I shall have enough trouble getting online at all, probably | 20:41 |
| RevdKathy | but good to know it's all running | 20:41 |
| MohammadAG | any debian packaging experts? | 20:41 |
| rokr1_ | any good pptp client supported by N900 | 20:41 |
| RevdKathy | now just a few bookmarks/passwords | 20:41 |
| RevdKathy | Thanks! | 20:41 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, your last psfreedom without emulator support? | 20:47 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, packed the wellingtons for your paddington? | 20:47 |
| RevdKathy | No, just made sure that Titch has his passport. | 20:48 |
| RevdKathy | is it me or are both forums down again? | 20:48 |
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| RevdKathy | How am I supposed to ensure the passwords are right if they do that? | 20:48 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG ? | 20:48 |
| lcuk | yeah, its been a bit heavy this week wth pr1.3 | 20:48 |
| ZogG | =( | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, can't see any dev_xxxx stuff in it | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, try hermes | 20:49 |
| RevdKathy | Which hasn't been releaszed for the UK, apparently | 20:49 |
| * RevdKathy snarls | 20:49 | |
| nid0 | global firmware's the way to go | 20:49 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG so PL3 without emulator? than need a patch as the priveous? | 20:49 |
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| RevdKathy | that means reflashing | 20:49 |
| nid0 | indeed | 20:49 |
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| RevdKathy | and that I DON'T have time or energy to do before my hols | 20:50 |
| ZogG | RevdKathy it's always about reflashing | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | KaKaRoTo, does PL3 need any patches for BD emulation? | 20:50 |
| nid0 | load the global image onto a laptop, and youll have something to do to pass the time on the plane :) | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | RevdKathy, ship me your N900, I love flashing | 20:50 |
| RevdKathy | You know, I bet there'd be a market for people to reflash | 20:51 |
| ZogG | KaKaRoTo is here? lol | 20:51 |
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| RevdKathy | anyway, what am I missing in PR 1.3? | 20:51 |
| tripzero | PR 1.3? | 20:51 |
| nid0 | user-side, nothing really other than bugfixes | 20:51 |
| slingr | ~pr1.3 | 20:51 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 20:51 |
| tripzero | qt4.7? | 20:51 |
| RevdKathy | Doubt I have anything that needs qt 4.7 | 20:52 |
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| tripzero | you *need* qt 4.7 | 20:52 |
| slingr | this is the start of the end my friends | 20:52 |
| slingr | it was good knowing you | 20:52 |
| * slingr smashes his n900 against the ground | 20:52 | |
| rokr1_ | ooooh | 20:52 |
| rokr1_ | hurts | 20:52 |
| lcuk | slingr, tell us if you get an n900fly high score with that | 20:53 |
| slingr | lol | 20:53 |
| tripzero | haha | 20:53 |
| slingr | i was actually gonna say that | 20:53 |
| slingr | no joke | 20:53 |
| RevdKathy | I don't need qt4.7 until the apps start using it | 20:53 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, but the support is there :) | 20:53 |
| tripzero | RevdKathy, all qt apps will use it if you have it installed | 20:53 |
| nid0 | or they wont if you dont, and still work fine | 20:53 |
| lcuk | and it fixes bugs in current apps | 20:53 |
| nid0 | so no, theres no *need* for it until apps appear that require it | 20:53 |
| tripzero | and probably runs things faster | 20:53 |
| ZogG | use n900fly | 20:53 |
| tripzero | and lets you install new qml apps | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | But I wobn't have it installed until they deign to release the UK version | 20:54 |
| tripzero | like the ones i just wrote | 20:54 |
| lcuk | RevdKathy, enjoy holiday and see if its out when you get back | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | And I can't even check whether it's immanent as I can't access tmo | 20:54 |
| RevdKathy | lcuk - that was ny thinking | 20:54 |
| lcuk | NY thinking? you going to America? *grin* | 20:55 |
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| RevdKathy | I will a) bitch and b) reflash to generic if it's not out by 5th Nov | 20:55 |
| RevdKathy | And now I really need to go and pack | 20:55 |
| nid0 | hm, thats only a week and a half away | 20:55 |
| lcuk | you could just go to a bonfire like everyone else :D | 20:55 |
| nid0 | fat chance of it being out by then | 20:55 |
| RevdKathy | Later - possibly tomorrow. Or not | 20:55 |
| RevdKathy | Bonfire? It's Diwali! | 20:56 |
| sobczyk | is there some reason graphical package managers do not display some packages? (apt-cache can) | 20:56 |
| RevdKathy | Some of us will be doing proper firework type things | 20:56 |
| nid0 | sobczyk, they dont display non-user packages | 20:56 |
| lcuk | sobczyk, yes | 20:56 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG hmm. it seems not working =( | 20:57 |
| RevdKathy | Right: suitcase calls. May be back later if I get bored | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, hermes? | 20:57 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, well its the festival of lights :) | 20:57 |
| lcuk | bah | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | she got unbored :P | 20:57 |
| sobczyk | nitdroid wiki suggests searching it in graphical manager, but it's not there (nitdroid-installer | 20:57 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG didn't try yet | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | search for Nitdroid | 20:57 |
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| sobczyk | MohammadAG: tried to search in default app manager and fapman - nothing. I can install using apt-get but I was wondering what could be the reason | 20:58 |
| jeward | Hi, I accidentally hit ignore on the maemo update on my n900. How do I apply it now? Application manager says there are no updates. | 20:58 |
| vltR | what is working t.m.o link? | 20:58 |
| vltR | talk.maemo.org is down 4 me ;{ | 20:59 |
| MohammadAG | ~isitdown | 20:59 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, isitdown is http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ | 20:59 |
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| flux | tmo must not have very good availability | 21:01 |
| flux | are we talking three nines here? | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | and so it starts.... "PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!" | 21:01 |
| RST38h | Well can't argue with this... | 21:01 |
| javispedro | hey, I can finally update to post 1.1 modest, I'm happy | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | Whatever Nokia's release procedure is, it is completely broken. | 21:02 |
| javispedro | btw, how you compare the current one to the Diablo SSUs one? | 21:03 |
| javispedro | I'm too young in Maemo to remember, I only got the last two Diablo SSUs. | 21:03 |
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| Arkenoi | switching language while in terminal still causes some weird input | 21:04 |
| jeward | So I should stick with 1.2? | 21:04 |
| nid0 | why? | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | no, SSU to 1.3 | 21:04 |
| MohammadAG | I'll ask again | 21:05 |
| sobczyk | how do I know I have 1.3 if none of the repo links are for 1.3 (either fremntle or fremantle 1.2) and I did the big maemo5 update | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | any debian packaging exdperts? | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | experts | 21:05 |
| toggles | MohammadAG: not and expert but i can package | 21:05 |
| MohammadAG | I can package, but I need help in replacing a package | 21:07 |
| jeward | I accidentally hit ignore on the last maemo5 update. How can I install it now? | 21:08 |
| sobczyk | jeward: go to app manager | 21:08 |
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| jeward | App manager says no updates avaiable., | 21:08 |
| jeward | available. | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | you can't ignore an update | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | you can only ignore the yellow notification | 21:09 |
| jeward | Oh, now it shows up! Thanks! | 21:09 |
| X-Fade | You can. | 21:09 |
| X-Fade | Well yeah, what he says. | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | anyone noticed that bug 10613 is still there, sorta | 21:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 screen glitches on incoming call | 21:09 |
| sobczyk | 20.2010.36-2 is pr1.3? | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 21:10 |
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| sobczyk | why they didn't simply write pr1.3? (or pr1.3-<number>) | 21:11 |
| nid0 | why should they? | 21:11 |
| tripzero | why is the world round? | 21:11 |
| nid0 | prx.x are simply unofficial patch names used by the community, not actual release numbers | 21:11 |
| vltR | to spin around | 21:11 |
| vltR | =d | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | tripzero, it's not round | 21:12 |
| * tripzero gasps | 21:12 | |
| tripzero | i knew it! | 21:12 |
| sobczyk | not to confuse the users, repo names = release names; easier than figuring out what the number is for | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | tripzero, the world doesn't exist | 21:12 |
| MohammadAG | Your mind, is the scene of the world | 21:13 |
| nid0 | so because users decide to call releases by a shorthand name, nokia should change their release naming system to match it? | 21:13 |
| nid0 | wheres the logic there? | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | nid0, 1=1 | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | but the question is, does char 1 = int 1? | 21:13 |
| ZogG | tmo is always down lately | 21:13 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG where does it keep modules and pls3 on n900 in your program | 21:14 |
| sobczyk | if you define your own system for representing chars then char 1 = int 1 :) | 21:14 |
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| MohammadAG | /opt/psfreedom/modules | 21:14 |
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| sobczyk | which repor can be changed to fremantle-1.3? (I have extras, extras-devel, opera) don't know about the fremantle ones from nokia.com | 21:18 |
| lcuk | sobczyk, afaik the repos get automagically updated as part of the upgrade | 21:18 |
| lcuk | what makes you think its not | 21:18 |
| sobczyk | lcuk: because I've upped them by hand a second ago, except ones from nokia.com because I'm not sure | 21:19 |
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| lcuk | so you are on pr1.3 by normal update mechanism? | 21:20 |
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| lcuk | and it *didn't change the repos? | 21:20 |
| RST38h | tmo is seriously lagging | 21:20 |
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| sobczyk | normal, and no update | 21:20 |
| ml-mobile | tmo is mostly unresponsive | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | extras only I think | 21:20 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder if people on tmo know that kernel-power is old | 21:21 |
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| sobczyk | I mean extras, extras-devel and opera have fremantle-1.3, so I was wondering about ones from nokia.com, but I guess they don't need upgrade | 21:21 |
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| MohammadAG | -devel should be fremantle | 21:22 |
| Myrtti | myyh. | 21:22 |
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| sobczyk | probably that's why the updater does not touch anything else | 21:22 |
| sobczyk | MohammadAG: any particular reason? there is also fremantle-1.2 there | 21:23 |
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| MohammadAG | ask Nokia :P | 21:24 |
| CreamyG | did someone flash the firmware on TMO and it's stuck in a reboot loop? | 21:24 |
| sp3000 | you? | 21:25 |
| CreamyG | maybe we should switch to coral cache | 21:25 |
| X-Fade | I created fremantle-1.3, so if there someone messed up at Nokia, I could fix it. | 21:25 |
| X-Fade | But there was no real need for it this time. | 21:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I vote we just make it a news-server. | 21:26 |
| SpeedEvil | only those that can work out how to post to moderated groups can post. | 21:27 |
| CreamyG | yeah haha i'd have to learn... | 21:27 |
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| CreamyG | someone want to test new version of conky? i give up on posting it on tmo | 21:31 |
| CreamyG | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1423 | 21:31 |
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| sobczyk | multiboot-kernel-maemo will work for pr-1.2? I read that it's image for pr-1.2 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/multiboot-kernel-maemo/0.3-1/ | 21:32 |
| sobczyk | I mean pr-1.3 ... | 21:32 |
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| nox- | moin | 21:37 |
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| kopte3 | hi guys | 21:46 |
| kopte3 | can somebody help me a little? :) | 21:47 |
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| javispedro | ~hail libplayback documentation | 21:47 |
| * infobot bows down to libplayback documentation and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 21:47 | |
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| kopte3 | :) | 21:48 |
| javispedro | ~questions | 21:48 |
| infobot | remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> | 21:48 |
| javispedro | no, no that one :P | 21:48 |
| javispedro | ~ask | 21:48 |
| infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. | 21:48 |
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| MohammadAG | remind me why tmo died again? | 21:50 |
| javispedro | combined slashdotting of a million mindless pr1.3 upgrading zombies | 21:50 |
| kopte3 | are you talking to me? :) | 21:51 |
| RST38h | MUST-HAVE-FLASH-10 | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG | that was two days ago | 21:51 |
| RST38h | MUST-HAVE-FLASH10 | 21:51 |
| * MohammadAG smacks forehead | 21:51 | |
| javispedro | BRAAAAAAAAAAINSSSSSSS.... (with Flash) | 21:51 |
| kopte3 | i have a question about some settings for wifi connection | 21:51 |
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| javispedro | kopte3: the "Questions" part was for you, just ask | 21:51 |
| Jaco2k | hi all | 21:51 |
| javispedro | ~tell kopte3 about ask | 21:51 |
| kopte3 | ok | 21:52 |
| kopte3 | thanks | 21:52 |
| kopte3 | so, my question is | 21:52 |
| kopte3 | i have a wifi on my university | 21:52 |
| Jaco2k | restoring backups... failling to restore my PR1.2 contacts backup after upgrade to PR1.3 | 21:52 |
| Jaco2k | everything else restores fine | 21:52 |
| Jaco2k | the contacts even partially | 21:52 |
| Jaco2k | but all phone numbers, etc. lost | 21:52 |
| kopte3 | and i need to to set Security type: Shared | 21:52 |
| kopte3 | and | 21:53 |
| Jaco2k | any idea why or how to fix this? | 21:53 |
| kopte3 | "Connect even if network is not broadcasting" | 21:53 |
| javispedro | kopte3: by "shared" they usually mean PreShared Key (or PSK) | 21:53 |
| javispedro | kopte3: and by "Connect even if network is not brdcstng" they usually mean "Hidden network" | 21:53 |
| kopte3 | ah.. ok | 21:54 |
| javispedro | kopte3: so, when Maemo asks you for network type, set "WPA Preshared Key" or similar, and check the "Hidden network" checkbox | 21:54 |
| kopte3 | so shared is wpa psk? | 21:54 |
| javispedro | it could be wep | 21:54 |
| javispedro | but most often it is wpa psk | 21:54 |
| kopte3 | ok, thanks | 21:55 |
| rokr1_ | is there any way to install tinysmb in debian chroot ?? | 21:55 |
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| kopte3 | hmm | 21:55 |
| kopte3 | on more thing | 21:55 |
| kopte3 | one* | 21:55 |
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| kopte3 | i have to ask mu friend.. there is something messed up with that wifi. | 21:56 |
| kopte3 | there are two different connections on the same ruters | 21:56 |
| kopte3 | so many devices have a problem | 21:56 |
| kopte3 | to connect | 21:56 |
| javispedro | that's nothing uncommon | 21:56 |
| maybeArgh | so... about tmo... | 21:56 |
| kopte3 | yup, i know that, but there is something uncommon.. i will try to find that out these days | 21:57 |
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| kopte3 | can i ask you again if this isn't going to work? :) | 21:57 |
| javispedro | no, wanted to mean the opposite: | 21:57 |
| javispedro | it is pretty common | 21:58 |
| javispedro | (double negative!) | 21:58 |
| kopte3 | i get that | 21:58 |
| kopte3 | but i wanted to say | 21:58 |
| kopte3 | there is something more messed up | 21:58 |
| kopte3 | which is uncommon :) | 21:59 |
| javispedro | what's up with the WWW today? everything's down | 21:59 |
| javispedro | I'm getting 500 errors even in slashdot | 21:59 |
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| maybeArgh | skynet's taking over | 21:59 |
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| kopte3 | so, if i choose wep in settings it will be wep with shared authentication? | 22:01 |
| kopte3 | lol for skynet :) | 22:01 |
| _trine | if you chose WEP able to hack you in less than a minute | 22:02 |
| _trine | ^ I | 22:02 |
| javispedro | kopte3: wep is by definition "shared" | 22:02 |
| javispedro | but wpa-psk also uses a shared key | 22:02 |
| kopte3 | i just found out, it's wep | 22:02 |
| _trine | WEP is shared with everyone | 22:02 |
| kopte3 | thanks | 22:03 |
| kopte3 | a lot! | 22:03 |
| kopte3 | now.. i just checked out my settings and everything was already that way (in phone) | 22:04 |
| kopte3 | still, i can't connect | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | kopte3: if your university's WiFi has hidden SSID, then please invite that admin here so he can receive the hard spanking he earned by this idiocy | 22:05 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: why? | 22:05 |
| kopte3 | oh man | 22:05 |
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| kopte3 | i wish i can find that idiot myself :D | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: because I like spanking idiots | 22:06 |
| jacekowski | weird way of spending free time | 22:06 |
| _trine | especially female idiots | 22:06 |
| _trine | :P | 22:06 |
| kopte3 | it has hidden SSID | 22:06 |
| kopte3 | proxy | 22:06 |
| kopte3 | and something is fckd up | 22:06 |
| kopte3 | or whatever | 22:06 |
| kopte3 | two of my friends have n900 too | 22:07 |
| kopte3 | noone can connect | 22:07 |
| kopte3 | symbian can, android can, ios devices can | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | maybe it's using that windows thing | 22:07 |
| jacekowski | hmm, maybe not | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | enroll | 22:07 |
| kopte3 | no.. i think even some android phones can't | 22:07 |
| kopte3 | ..connect | 22:07 |
| javispedro | is it called "PAP"? | 22:08 |
| kopte3 | if i can find what's wrong with that network | 22:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one who kills that admin will inherit his job | 22:08 |
| kopte3 | can you guys help me? :) | 22:08 |
| javispedro | kopte3: not really, basically, you would need to gather as much verifiable information about the network as possible | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | on killing admin? probably not, unless you get us his address | 22:09 |
| kopte3 | i can do that | 22:09 |
| kopte3 | :D | 22:09 |
| kopte3 | lol | 22:09 |
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| kopte3 | i can find out pretty much everything about it | 22:10 |
| KaKaRoTo | MohammadAG, no patches needed, no | 22:10 |
| kopte3 | because there are a lot of students there.. | 22:10 |
| KaKaRoTo | ZogG, ^^ | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG | thanks KaKaRoTo | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lemme guess what subject this university is | 22:10 |
| kopte3 | guess :) | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's NOT CS | 22:11 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you'd be surprised in fscked setups in CS universities | 22:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol, yeah I'm afraid you're right | 22:11 |
| kopte3 | CS? | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: it's not so easy to manage network that's used by couple thousands users | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: it's using different terminals | 22:11 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: connecting loads of different things | 22:12 |
| javispedro | jacekowski: yes, but not following eduroam's own guidelines is just suicidal | 22:12 |
| jacekowski | and very often every single device is different | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I would pick economics as one of three possibilities | 22:12 |
| kopte3 | nope :) | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | social | 22:13 |
| kopte3 | network is in the building with three tehnical faculties | 22:13 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: well, you know it's not CS, you still have a hundred other majors =) | 22:13 |
| kopte3 | :) | 22:13 |
| kopte3 | and network is made by the guys | 22:13 |
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| kopte3 | from my school of electrical engineering :D | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 22:14 |
| javispedro | hahahaha | 22:14 |
| javispedro | ;P | 22:14 |
| kopte3 | yeah, i know | 22:14 |
| kopte3 | :D | 22:14 |
| kopte3 | i am studying software engineering | 22:14 |
| javispedro | oh, the irony. | 22:14 |
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| kopte3 | :) | 22:15 |
| zap | After latest update if I open maemo browser, then close it browserd starts eating CPU (load ~60-90%) and battery. When I re-launch the browser, CPU usage goes to 0% again. Anybody has seen this? | 22:16 |
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| kopte3 | we do learn about computer networks and information systems | 22:17 |
| slonopotamus | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> | 22:17 |
| kopte3 | but.. almost none of the practical stuff | 22:17 |
| kopte3 | practical stuff is more in programming, operating systems, algorythms etc | 22:18 |
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| kopte3 | guys, thanks for the help, i'll try to find what's fckd up there, and address of the guy who fckd up. see you in a few days, thanks for the help, you're very kind! | 22:19 |
| kopte3 | :) | 22:19 |
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| merlin1991 | hail for eduoram | 22:22 |
| merlin1991 | or pr1.2 since it didn't work before that one :P | 22:22 |
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| javispedro | merlin1991: if your eduroam network is using PAP, they are violating its guidelines | 22:24 |
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| merlin1991 | nah it's doing the radius stuff | 22:24 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: with a captive portal???? | 22:24 |
| merlin1991 | captive portal? | 22:24 |
| javispedro | a weblogin or the like | 22:25 |
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| merlin1991 | nope | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | no weblogin | 22:25 |
| merlin1991 | just wpa eap peap | 22:26 |
| javispedro | ah, no pap. | 22:26 |
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| merlin1991 | it's the technical university of vienna, gotta be something they do right :P | 22:27 |
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| ZogG | KaKaRoTo yeah, thanks - managed to work on gaia, though on backupmanager it doesn't work | 22:28 |
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| marex | hey ... if I dist-upgrade to PR 1.3, will power-kernel somehow interfere with it / | 22:28 |
| marex | ? | 22:28 |
| zap | dist-upgrade doesn't work | 22:29 |
| marex | why not ? | 22:29 |
| zap | dunno, somebody tried yesterday and apt failed | 22:29 |
| KaKaRoTo | ZogG, yeah, you need gaia | 22:29 |
| ZogG | marex don't do it - killed my phone - lucky i had nitdroid to full the battery to charge | 22:29 |
| ZogG | KaKaRoTo, =* | 22:29 |
| Mercury | And the BSP files, no idea how hard it is to extract from those. I used to know. | 22:30 |
| ZogG | you are one of the guys i want raise child from =) | 22:30 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG, so why can't you maintain hildon separetly? | 22:30 |
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| marex | ZogG: killed ? how ? | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, it's impossible on -devel | 22:30 |
| marex | ZogG: why won't dist-upgrade work, it worked from 1.0 to 1.2 | 22:30 |
| ZogG | marex it turned off in the middle itself | 22:31 |
| ZogG | and than i used ntroid so finished battery | 22:31 |
| kopte3 | guys, is there a option for hexadecimal 128bit key? | 22:31 |
| marex | ZogG: so your battery ran out ? | 22:31 |
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| kopte3 | wireless network settings? | 22:31 |
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| kopte3 | guys? :) | 22:37 |
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| ZogG | marex after that, but when it turned off it was full | 22:37 |
| ioan | hi. trying to run "apt-get install preenv libgles1" I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 22:38 |
| ioan | libgles1: Depends: libgles1-sgx-img but it is not going to be installed | 22:38 |
| ioan | how do I fix that? :-) | 22:38 |
| ioan | what repository do I need for that? | 22:38 |
| javispedro | do not add libgles1 to apt-get install cmd line. | 22:38 |
| ioan | with just preenv I get: preenv: Depends: libjson-glib-1.0-0 but it is not going to be installed | 22:40 |
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| kopte3 | javispedro: is there a option for hexadecimal 128bit key? | 22:42 |
| marex | ZogG: that's strange | 22:42 |
| kopte3 | :) | 22:42 |
| marex | ZogG: how am I supposed to do the update ? | 22:42 |
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| javispedro | kopte3: try entering the hex key on the field | 22:43 |
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| kopte3 | javispedro: on the field? | 22:44 |
| Jaizuke | Sorry to bother you guys but I have a quick question: Does Advanced Power not work or is it just me? | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | instinctiv is coming out well | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | shame it's closed source :/ | 22:44 |
| javispedro | kopte3: on the password field | 22:44 |
| kopte3 | i tried that | 22:44 |
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| kopte3 | javispedro: i tried that | 22:44 |
| kopte3 | javispedro: is it done automatically when i put the hex key? | 22:46 |
| javispedro | kopte3: yes, afaik, it can detect that because of the length. | 22:46 |
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| kopte3 | javispedro: can i manualy set it? | 22:46 |
| javispedro | via gconf, which is a long topic. | 22:46 |
| kopte3 | ok, thank you very much! | 22:47 |
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| ioan | ok, apt-get -f install did the trick. now how do I download WebOS games? from where? | 22:47 |
| ioan | :-) | 22:47 |
| kopte3 | bye | 22:47 |
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| ZogG | marex in OTA | 22:50 |
| ZogG | somwhere there is info about package and there there is problem list | 22:50 |
| marex | I don't trust it ... | 22:50 |
| ZogG | the packages to delete before update | 22:50 |
| marex | it doesn't work | 22:50 |
| ZogG | do makeup | 22:50 |
| ZogG | bakcup* | 22:50 |
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| ZogG | than delete, update and restore | 22:51 |
| ZogG | or the same with flashing | 22:51 |
| ZogG | ~flashing | 22:51 |
| infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:51 |
| marex | I used the onboard backup application | 22:51 |
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| zap | javispedro: Any reason why "preenv" doesn't launch the executable directly? | 22:53 |
| Pauly | Hi, I have n900 and want to know which is best OS for file sharing with my n900. Windows 7 x64 or Ubuntu 10.10 x64 | 22:53 |
| zap | Pauly: Ubuntu, use NFS | 22:54 |
| marex | Debian Testing, use NFS ;-) | 22:54 |
| Pauly | cool im downloading it now | 22:54 |
| javispedro | zap: submit a patch =) | 22:54 |
| zap | javispedro: well, I just thought there was a real reason :) | 22:54 |
| zap | thank for the package btw, it is awesome | 22:55 |
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| Pauly | i know this question is off but is ubuntu good with like media streaming 720p with xbox 360? | 22:56 |
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| zap | Pauly: try #ubuntu | 22:56 |
| marex | #debian :) | 22:57 |
| Pauly | ahhh makes sence | 22:58 |
| Pauly | sryy | 22:58 |
| Jaizuke | Umm I have another question, can anybody help me? | 22:59 |
| Pauly | PR 1.3 is nice i think its a bit faster its cool i feel like i have a new tablet lol | 22:59 |
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| Jaizuke | Does Matan's modified Hildon Desktop still work with PR 1.3? | 23:00 |
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| MohammadAG | mine works, I think | 23:00 |
| Jaizuke | Not sure? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | haven't tried it, but it should worked | 23:01 |
| wmarone | isn't the one it's built from essentially the same as what we have in PR1.3? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | since it's based on the new version (actually newer) version | 23:01 |
| Jaizuke | mmm.. I'm sorry but what does yours offer? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | it's the same one, but compiled for 1.3 | 23:01 |
| Jaizuke | Everything as Matan's? | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | it's his patches, can't take credit for those | 23:02 |
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| Jaizuke | ah I see | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | -es | 23:02 |
| Jaizuke | Thanks! | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | np :) | 23:02 |
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| MohammadAG | I have a version with thp's patches too :) | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/thp/ dated 26-Oct | 23:02 |
| Jaizuke | mm, whatever happened to that 'Boost N900' thread? | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=boost+N900+site%3Atalk.maemo.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 ftw | 23:03 |
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| MohammadAG | first hit :P | 23:03 |
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| Jaizuke | Sorry, I meant what happened to SavageD, he posted his version, and then at the end he said it was unstable and told everyone to uninstall it and he would post one up soon(or that very day) and then the thread just died | 23:05 |
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| alterego | Urgh, t.m.o is still being crap | 23:07 |
| alterego | There can't be that many visitors .. | 23:07 |
| Jaizuke | YEah, just died on me | 23:07 |
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| Jaizuke | Apparently its people downloading the patch thats causing this | 23:08 |
| wmarone | all the one time "I hate you Nokia" posters are slowly wandering away | 23:08 |
| dolp | alterego: anything bout madde and 1.3? | 23:08 |
| alterego | dolp: nokia qt sdk was updated with latest sysroot | 23:08 |
| alterego | If you've got it installed, run the update program and it should download the bits you need for PR1.3 | 23:08 |
| alterego | I got someone to send me the two files I needed to install manually into madde | 23:09 |
| alterego | As I don't use te Nokia Qt SDK, I use the latest madde and a Qt creator snapshot :) | 23:09 |
| dolp | mmm.. i like to use madde only :P | 23:10 |
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| alterego | dolp: what version of madde do you use? | 23:11 |
| alterego | I can point you to the files you need to set it up ;) | 23:11 |
| dolp | 0.6.72 | 23:13 |
| alterego | Old :P | 23:13 |
| marex | ZogG: heartbeatrate .. 120 :b | 23:13 |
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| dolp | yeah i know.. havent found windows binaries for newer version | 23:13 |
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| alterego | Hrm, I can't help you with the windows version :/ | 23:14 |
| djszapi | I try to compile a project depending on opengl es, but I get this error message while compiling: http://pastebin.com/gtkFzs3N -> What do I do wrong ? | 23:14 |
| ZogG | =))) | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | djszapi: read the error | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | probably some define missing | 23:15 |
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| jacekowski | or one of includes missing | 23:15 |
| djszapi | jacekowski: what is your mean ? | 23:15 |
| javispedro | djszapi: are you potentially including gl2ext.h _before_ gl2.h? | 23:15 |
| Aranel | I think my filesystem is corrupt, recently I removed a 110mb file and It freed up only 39mb, Storage Usage says 1.7 in use but I got only 40mb free space in /home/user , how can I fsck it? | 23:16 |
| nox- | is pr1.3 safe to upgrate to if you have 56MB free in / and kernel-power installed? | 23:16 |
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| djszapi | javispedro: http://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/graphics/material.cpp | 23:17 |
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| djszapi | #include <GLES2/gl2.h> | 23:17 |
| djszapi | #include <GLES2/gl2ext.h> | 23:17 |
| javispedro | so, no. | 23:18 |
| javispedro | where are you build this? which scratchbox SDK version? | 23:18 |
| djszapi | seems so | 23:18 |
| alterego | javispedro: don't expect him to post in the right order :P | 23:18 |
| alterego | javispedro: also, well done on the palm pre env stuff. | 23:18 |
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| djszapi | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/Di1wfSVk | 23:19 |
| djszapi | after the change. | 23:19 |
| javispedro | djszapi: that is the wrong way | 23:20 |
| javispedro | I meant yours was right already =) | 23:20 |
| djszapi | why did not it compile then ? :( | 23:20 |
| javispedro | where are you build this? which scratchbox SDK version? | 23:21 |
| djszapi | pm | 23:21 |
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| jacekowski | is it normal that ham is not proposing an upgrade? | 23:22 |
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| nox- | nother try: is 1.3 compatible with kernel-power? | 23:23 |
| CreamyG | yes | 23:23 |
| nox- | and is 56 MB free in / enough? | 23:23 |
| CreamyG | maybe... if it fails, just restart and apt-get upgrade -f | 23:24 |
| CreamyG | it will continue | 23:24 |
| CreamyG | thats what i did, installed with 45mb | 23:24 |
| CreamyG | and kernel power | 23:24 |
| nox- | hm ok | 23:24 |
| CreamyG | i would run the whole update from command line | 23:25 |
| rokr1__ | About PR 1.3: DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade! Type ~pr1.3 for more info. | 23:25 |
| CreamyG | i ran fapman and it crashed like half way through | 23:25 |
| CreamyG | but the dpkg thing kept working away | 23:25 |
| rokr1__ | ~pr1.3 | 23:25 |
| CreamyG | would have been nice to see the status | 23:25 |
| infobot | [pr1.3] the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 23:25 |
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| rokr1__ | bye guys | 23:26 |
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| marex | ZogG: dist-upgrade completed ... now to the reboot | 23:26 |
| marex | ZogG: it died for you during dist-upgrade, right ? | 23:26 |
| ZogG | yeah | 23:26 |
| ZogG | not only me | 23:26 |
| ZogG | someone also had this | 23:27 |
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| marex | pin ok | 23:28 |
| marex | nokia animation | 23:28 |
| marex | oh ... | 23:28 |
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| marex | PR1.3 is nice :) | 23:30 |
| pronto | lucky | 23:30 |
| pronto | i cant update to it -.- | 23:30 |
| marex | pronto: many years of embedded linux experience did the trick I think :) | 23:31 |
| marex | pronto: btw why not ? | 23:31 |
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| pronto | it wants to be plugged into the computer via a usb cable i lost, and i dont run windows | 23:31 |
| marex | me neither ... I'm a pure-blood debian user | 23:32 |
| marex | pronto: I disabled all the additional repositories (but those three nokia left there) | 23:32 |
| marex | then ran xterm, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade | 23:32 |
| marex | it chocked a few times, but nothing apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a can't fix | 23:32 |
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| marex | so well ...1) I did apt-get dist-upgrade ...2) it chocked for not having enough space ... so I ran dpkg --configure -a ; apt-get -f install (it chocked again that it's lacking space ... goto 2) ... and at the end, I ran apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure it's all done | 23:34 |
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| tybollt | marex? | 23:37 |
| marex | tybollt: what ? | 23:37 |
| _trine | is there no UK PR 1.3 ? | 23:38 |
| Turski | i just noticed today that pressing power button freezes any audio for about two seconds in any state the device is in, can others reproduce this too? | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10353#c19 hail Nokia | 23:38 |
| povbot | Bug 10353: result of USSD query should not be shown to user at all (If he wishes that) | 23:38 |
| Turski | doesn't matter if it's maemo's mediaplayer or mplayer that is playing the audio | 23:38 |
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| Turski | and i'm talking about PR1.3 | 23:39 |
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| _trine | which PR 1.3 version do I need for the UK ? | 23:40 |
| djszapi | is there different opengl package with khronos and imgtec for maemo ? | 23:40 |
| andre__ | _trine: .203 I guess. | 23:41 |
| andre__ | probably not existing yet | 23:41 |
| nox- | hm talks about using `pcsuite' which i never used... does that mean it has too little free? | 23:41 |
| Turski | and i also noticed that the fm-transmitter is totally unusable with PR1.3 | 23:41 |
| andre__ | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that sucks :-/ | 23:41 |
| wmarone | nox-: that or you've got a package conflick (which is the most likely case) | 23:42 |
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| _trine | andre__, 203 is ver 1.1.1 | 23:42 |
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| nox- | wmarone, how can i see which package conflicts? | 23:42 |
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| andre__ | _trine, urgh. even worse. | 23:43 |
| wmarone | if you start the upgrade process, there's a pop up that offers details | 23:43 |
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| * wmarone should have taken screenshots | 23:43 | |
| marex | anyone tried kernel-power on PR1.3 ? | 23:44 |
| CreamyG | yes its fine u just have to reboot | 23:44 |
| nox- | ah conflicts with perl | 23:44 |
| djszapi | which opengl package should I install inside the scratchbox ? | 23:45 |
| djszapi | to get the khronos one, and not imgtec one ? | 23:45 |
| tybollt | marex: I | 23:45 |
| tybollt | marex: I'd also like to know - I need the hotspot app | 23:46 |
| tybollt | and I'm too much of a cheap fuck to pay for joiku ;) | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, ping | 23:46 |
| alterego | Yessir? | 23:47 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: D? | 23:50 |
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| jacekowski | grr | 23:50 |
| marex | ok, powerkernel works ... that's good | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | can somebody show me theirs /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG | you downgraded your kernel | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | marex: you understand what powerkernel is? it's a compilation of a particular version of stock kernel - and it just has a different config (simplified image). So no, there's no powerkernel yet that's based on the pr1.3 stock kernel version. Installing powerkernel on PR1.3 means kernel downgrade | 23:50 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: eh? | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: sources.list | 23:51 |
| marex | DocScrutinizer: I need iptables ... so well, this is ok with me | 23:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ham.list? no pr1.3 here | 23:51 |
| marex | DocScrutinizer: btw. there's .28 one | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: yeah | 23:51 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i want 1.2 one | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, np | 23:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 23:52 |
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| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QiH3mD6L jacekowski | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | oh, 1.2, nvm | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | should be the same | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a minute, nstalling pastebinit | 23:53 |
| jacekowski | mine is not upgrading for some reason | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pastebinit doesn't work afaik | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, it's a nonsense file of marginal size anyway | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prepare for impact... | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./ | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./ | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle-1.2 free non-free | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.2 free non-free | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 23:55 |
| tybollt | ~slap DocScrutinizer | 23:55 |
| * infobot slaps DocScrutinizer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 23:55 | |
| brik | irc is the new pastebin? | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | upstart: PreDepends: sysvinit-utils (>= 2.86.ds1-23) or | 23:55 |
| jacekowski | busybox (>= 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8) but it is not going to be installed | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | \o/ | 23:55 |
| Scelt | Stskeeps: does meego already work as dual boot with maemo pr1.3? | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, I get that too | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | have you managed to work around it? | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | nope, I'm on 1.3 | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | I also got it on 1.1.1 and 1.2 | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | so meh | 23:56 |
| jacekowski | so how you managed to upgrade? | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | Scelt, meego works in a dual boot environment since 1.2 | 23:57 |
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| MohammadAG | jacekowski, flashed the leaked image, which has the same md5 as the final one | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | so I upgraded a week ago | 23:57 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: what is this dualboot in 1.3 and how's it work? | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | there isn't any damn dualboot | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | it's only a kexec patched that was overhyped by some meego blog | 23:57 |
| MohammadAG | when uBoot is out, it gets chainloaded from NOLO | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | then if you have a bootable sd card, it boots from it | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah fsck, pastebinit is borked | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG | that's it, it's not grub | 23:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (kexec, dualboot) seems also see: | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | kexec means you don't need to connect the usb cable to your pc to boot meego, i think | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 | 23:59 |
| infobot | somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 | 23:59 |
| Scelt | MohammadAG: so should I just wait for the better dualboot solution? | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, kexec loads a kernel | 23:59 |
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| MohammadAG | yes | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: there's never been any prom.... err I said this 2 or 3 times last 24h | 23:59 |
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