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| oshin | could these qt libs in extra-dev required for playing with qml cause trobles installing pr1.3? | 00:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't see why | 00:36 |
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| sivang | 1.3 is released? | 00:49 |
| sivang | and no note on MLs? | 00:50 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: ^ hey :) | 00:50 |
| alterego | No, 1.3 isn't released yet, I'm hoping it'll be out in the next couple of weeks. | 00:50 |
| alterego | Would be nice if it coincided with the MeeGo 1.1 release. | 00:50 |
| alterego | Though there's no reason for that to actually happen ^.^ | 00:50 |
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| sivang | alterego: right :)( | 00:51 |
| sivang | Reading the backlog, there has been some interesting discussion going on here | 00:51 |
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| sivang | biological weapons of mass destructions, etc | 00:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 00:52 |
| alterego | Can't say I've been paying much attention to be honest ;) | 00:52 |
| sivang | frals: have you set a mms gateway for your app? :) | 00:52 |
| sivang | frals: given Stskeeps 's remakrs. | 00:52 |
| * sivang is just being silly | 00:52 | |
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| sivang | alterego: my python key value store prototype passses all tests, I'm now setting up lenny chroot for packaging | 00:53 |
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| sivang | alterego: do you remember how python stuff are packages these days in debian by any chance? | 00:53 |
| sivang | (terribly off topic) | 00:53 |
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| sivang | alterego: last I did that it had only python-central | 00:54 |
| alterego | Can't say I used anything special to generate my backages. | 00:54 |
| alterego | Just cp'd them in my debian/rules file to where they were supposed to be. | 00:54 |
| sivang | alterego: well, you sort's have to wire into python's setuptools | 00:54 |
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| * javispedro concludes that, at this point, tmo is still worth it. | 00:55 | |
| alterego | javispedro: why now? | 00:55 |
| javispedro | I think SNR has slightly improved since the crazy days | 00:55 |
| sivang | alterego: hmm, so the proper way is to have this setuptools deal with it, and only call it from debian/rules | 00:55 |
| alterego | Dunno | 00:55 |
| sivang | anyway, I'm off to #debian@ oftc | 00:55 |
| alterego | Check out someone elses package, like one of the pymaemo guys. | 00:55 |
| sivang | cheer all, see you later when I'vefinished my little project. | 00:55 |
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| alterego | o/ | 00:56 |
| javispedro | alterego: let's say I've got quite useful PMs, and slightly above the SNR I expected on the preenv thread. | 00:56 |
| alterego | Good for you :) | 00:57 |
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| javispedro | it has remind me of the first days of drnoksnes, and back then, while there was still complains about the decaying SNR on tmo, I would not have said it was "awful" | 00:57 |
| javispedro | you still have to avoid flamewar topics like the plague, though. | 00:58 |
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| javispedro | but the worst offenders have already gone to "greener" pastures I say. | 00:58 |
| alterego | I can't, I'm like a fly to a flourescent ^.^ | 00:58 |
| alterego | Yeah, heh | 00:58 |
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| * alterego attempts to build mtf | 00:59 | |
| javispedro | alterego: which target? | 00:59 |
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| alterego | just my laptop | 00:59 |
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| javispedro | x86, debian-like? | 01:00 |
| javispedro | well, tbh my knowledge is rusting a bit already :( | 01:00 |
| alterego | x86_64 ubuntu 10.04 | 01:00 |
| javispedro | good luck :) | 01:01 |
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| alterego | Can't be that hard? :P | 01:02 |
| javispedro | when I first tried it it seemed unsurmountable | 01:02 |
| javispedro | I submited some patchs to make it build on x86_64.. | 01:02 |
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| javispedro | oh, all ahve been merged. | 01:03 |
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| alterego | Will probably take a while though .. | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | naa, 0.01% the time needed to built qt itself. | 01:04 |
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| javispedro | *build | 01:04 |
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| pupnik | ok do you guys let women act like tv show queens? | 01:05 |
| pupnik | do you actually let women whip you around like they do on the telivision? | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tv show queen, what a paradoxon | 01:05 |
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| pupnik | i think the television makes women think they can act like children, DocScrutinizer51 | 01:06 |
| alterego | pupnik: probably | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~trout pupnik | 01:06 |
| * infobot slaps pupnik around a bit with a large trout! | 01:06 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~attack pupnik | 01:06 |
| pupnik | well what do you guys think about carol | 01:06 |
| spinningcompass | pupnik: Carol who? | 01:07 |
| pupnik | my girl | 01:07 |
| alterego | carol who? | 01:07 |
| * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing pupnik | 01:07 | |
| pupnik | carol chen | 01:07 |
| alterego | Heh | 01:07 |
| alterego | Don't know her. | 01:07 |
| alterego | Anyhow, g'night bed time for me .. | 01:07 |
| pupnik | she got all upset because i chose to fix my furnace instead of drive 320km to pick her up from the airport | 01:07 |
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| spinningcompass | pupnik: Why are you telling us this? | 01:07 |
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| pupnik | i think women who act like kids should get outed | 01:08 |
| trumee | anybody tried/using sygic? | 01:08 |
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| spinningcompass | pupnik: Why are you expressing that opinion in an IRC channel whose purpose is in contemplation and furtherance of Maemo? | 01:08 |
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| pupnik | this is a dead end channel of old farts | 01:09 |
| javispedro | =) | 01:09 |
| trumee | was wondering whether sygic lets mediaplayer play in the background? | 01:09 |
| spinningcompass | pupnik: You've mistaken this channel for your mother's bedroom. Sorry... | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ohnoes, sheduled event: pupnik getting philosophical | 01:09 |
| pupnik | javispedro: try kotczarny's new osc program! it is fun! #liqbase | 01:09 |
| javispedro | pupnik: linkie? | 01:10 |
| trumee | also, since sygic runs fullscreen is it possible to goto home screen without invoking hardware keyboard. | 01:10 |
| pupnik | chanie | 01:10 |
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| trumee | was wondering whether mediaplayer could skip a track by pressing camera button. | 01:12 |
| trumee | will be quite useful while running sygic. | 01:12 |
| trumee | unfortunately cant find a car mount which can take my otterbox. so cant use keyboard if i run sygic maps. | 01:13 |
| trumee | not many sygic users here i guess. | 01:13 |
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| javispedro | trumee: no, I do not have sygic. Does it mute the media player really? | 01:19 |
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| trumee | javispedro, it was a question :) | 01:20 |
| javispedro | ah :P | 01:20 |
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| mavhc | gah, now my touchscreen is deadish, damn you n810 | 01:21 |
| trumee | javispedro, but guess it should mute it otherwise voice navigation would be tricky. | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | well, using phone as satnav is PITA anyways | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | just use tomtom | 01:22 |
| trumee | advantage is that it is portable | 01:22 |
| jacekowski | tomtom is portable as well | 01:23 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably even lighter than n900 | 01:23 |
| trumee | tomtom i agree is better as sat nav | 01:23 |
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| jacekowski | and cheaper | 01:23 |
| trumee | but i carry my N900 in my pocket but dont carry tomtom everywhere i go. | 01:24 |
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| jacekowski | well, but why you need voice navigation when you're not in a car? | 01:24 |
| trumee | jacekowski, walking? | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | car navigation for walking | 01:25 |
| jacekowski | not very efficient | 01:25 |
| trumee | jacekowski, most satnavs can suggest routes for walking | 01:26 |
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| trumee | easier to look into a phone for map than carry a tomtom in a hand | 01:27 |
| jacekowski | not sygic | 01:27 |
| trumee | less of embarrassment on the street :p | 01:27 |
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| javispedro | sygic doesn't do routes for walking? | 01:28 |
| javispedro | unbelievable. even ovi maps does. | 01:29 |
| kerio | ovi maps does stuff? since when? :O | 01:29 |
| javispedro | touché. | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | only advantage of sygic over ovi maps is voice | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | which is why i don't understand why nokia is not planning to add it | 01:29 |
| javispedro | route recalculation? not requiring stupid internet to search for pois? | 01:30 |
| javispedro | s/requiring stupid/stupidly requiring | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | that's minor problems | 01:30 |
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| javispedro | "minor"? | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | easy to fix | 01:30 |
| javispedro | like voice. | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | nokia just abandoned it apparently | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | HAH, voice guidance is sooo simple | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | if you don't need a decent just in time guidance | 01:31 |
| javispedro | even if were über rocket science (which it isn't) they already have it in the form of symbian ovi maps! | 01:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ack | 01:32 |
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| trumee | jacekowski, has it been abandoned? | 01:32 |
| trumee | there was a blog from nokia that they were working on it for maemo. | 01:33 |
| javispedro | yesssssssss | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but when I was involved in developing GPS guidance at Siemens automotive, it wasn't exactly simple to schedule the announcements accordingly | 01:33 |
| javispedro | so sure about that. | 01:33 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: i mean, they already did it for another platoforms | 01:33 |
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| jacekowski | i'm still tempted to be able to dualboot tomtom software and maemo | 01:42 |
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| jacekowski | pretty much all required stuff is already there in kernel | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | @nice idea | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a * | 01:44 |
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| MOUD | Hello | 01:47 |
| MOUD | I installed Cisco VPNC but i cannot find the program in my phone, where can i find it? | 01:47 |
| trumee | jacekowski, wow is that possible? | 01:48 |
| trumee | jacekowski, can tomtom binaries run on N900? | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | instruction set is compatible | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | in terms of binary compatibility | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | but tomtom is using framebuffer | 01:49 |
| jacekowski | and n900 gps is connected to rapuyama | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | so it it wouldn't be plug and play sort of style | 01:50 |
| jacekowski | but somebody ran it on other linux based pda long time ago | 01:50 |
| MOUD | is there any sql client that can be used and connect to a database via VPN? | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | depends on database | 01:52 |
| MOUD | Oracle | 01:52 |
| kerio | why is the fact that's a vpn important? | 01:53 |
| trumee | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=11681 | 01:53 |
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| MOUD | I use cisco VPN to work from home | 01:54 |
| kerio | so? | 01:54 |
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| kerio | a vpn is another network interface | 01:54 |
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| MOUD | basically what i want to do is... connect to cisco vpn and then run my sql queries using a sql program | 01:57 |
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| kerio | so do that | 01:58 |
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| Macer | crap | 02:03 |
| Macer | anybody know the cyanogen # ? | 02:03 |
| pupnik | ? | 02:03 |
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| Macer | want to se if i can get it installed on a cliq | 02:03 |
| pupnik | we need an app to track politicians | 02:03 |
| pupnik | anybody who sites one of those cocksuckers enters the location to an openstreetmap database | 02:04 |
| Macer | pupnik: cnn doesnt have an app? | 02:04 |
| pupnik | no | 02:04 |
| pupnik | we need an app to track every politician | 02:04 |
| pupnik | real time | 02:04 |
| Macer | like i said... cnn ;) | 02:04 |
| pupnik | let's do it | 02:04 |
| pupnik | any foss facial recognition software? | 02:05 |
| pupnik | the submissions would need verification | 02:05 |
| Macer | lol | 02:05 |
| pupnik | for e.g. politician getting out of car in front of ritz hotel | 02:05 |
| pupnik | you'd need to be able to flash those satanic lizards | 02:06 |
| pupnik | and then do a shazam-type lookup | 02:06 |
| pupnik | to match their skin mask | 02:06 |
| pupnik | we could also do a genocide game | 02:06 |
| pupnik | for maemo | 02:06 |
| pupnik | because we just loled at genocide for the past 20 years | 02:07 |
| pupnik | lol | 02:07 |
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| Macer | my gf has my n900 and i have her cliq | 02:08 |
| Macer | why do i feel like she is driving around in my corvette while i have a pinto? | 02:09 |
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| MOUD | so, how can I do that? | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: opencv | 02:10 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: and you could hack cctv network | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: or mobile phone network | 02:11 |
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| jacekowski | or oth | 02:11 |
| jacekowski | both | 02:11 |
| pupnik | i'm up for talks | 02:12 |
| pupnik | these pompous asses | 02:12 |
| pupnik | who pretend to have 'authority; | 02:12 |
| ieatlint | Macer: you have the pinto, but i'm not sure i'd call the n900 corvette | 02:12 |
| pupnik | are just the fucktards from grade school | 02:12 |
| pupnik | do you want to let the stupid kids rule you? | 02:12 |
| ieatlint | let's call it a delorean... it's got some cool stuff, but ultimately is an underpowered niche joke with no support | 02:12 |
| jacekowski | ieatlint: but it's a time machine | 02:13 |
| pupnik | pompous asses should be made fun of | 02:13 |
| ieatlint | jacekowski: oh yeah, it's also fucking awesome like that | 02:13 |
| pupnik | like in soviet times | 02:13 |
| pupnik | we are in the same times in the west | 02:13 |
| pupnik | the usa hires a million people to spy on the world? | 02:13 |
| pupnik | insane soviet idiocy | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | you've chosen them | 02:14 |
| pupnik | it will be self destructive | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | it's only your fault | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | and you are only to blame | 02:14 |
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| pupnik | you/me/we | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | no | 02:14 |
| ieatlint | are you on some sort of meth high? | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | i don't vote | 02:14 |
| ieatlint | hyperactive and paranoid == awesome | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | to protest against government | 02:14 |
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| pupnik | ieatlint: i'm way ahead of most idiots in the tyranny analysis situation. and i've been proven right for 17 years. and nobody disproves anything i say. | 02:15 |
| pupnik | you're a scared little momma's boy who doesn't want to observe wider flows | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: because it's all the same thing | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | pupnik: for 17 or more years | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | just under different names | 02:16 |
| ieatlint | pupnik: i'm surrounded by people like you far too often, and despite your self-proclaimed clairvoyance of politics and life, the thing you seem most dense to perceive is that the rest of us a don't give a fuck | 02:16 |
| pupnik | hahahaha | 02:16 |
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| pupnik | ieatlint: you don't understand why people care about maemo | 02:17 |
| pupnik | and please keep showing us how you take the horse thing up your cloaca | 02:17 |
| ieatlint | people don't care about maemo :P | 02:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I do. | 02:17 |
| ieatlint | people in general don't, i mean | 02:18 |
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| pupnik | right | 02:19 |
| pupnik | what would you do if you lived in nazi germany? | 02:20 |
| pupnik | "i would stop the murders!@!!!@!#" | 02:20 |
| pupnik | well you live in nazi germany now | 02:20 |
| pupnik | millions are being killed | 02:20 |
| pupnik | and you don't even notice it | 02:20 |
| pupnik | that's how fucked in the head you all are | 02:20 |
| pupnik | all of ou | 02:20 |
| ieatlint | that's a loaded question, i don't live in nazi germany and i can't hope to guess how i would handle such circumstances | 02:20 |
| pupnik | you watched 2 million people be killed | 02:21 |
| pupnik | and said nothing | 02:21 |
| ieatlint | i somehow don't recall that | 02:21 |
| pupnik | right | 02:21 |
| pupnik | that's this insanity thing | 02:22 |
| ieatlint | probably because you're talking out of your ass | 02:22 |
| pupnik | no because reality is that bent | 02:22 |
| asj | ieatlint: ignore pupnik, he gets drunk and goes off like this once a month or se | 02:22 |
| pupnik | we just had a genocide | 02:22 |
| pupnik | and we all talked about video games | 02:22 |
| ieatlint | asj: fair enough | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: stop ihsulting people | 02:22 |
| pupnik | we just had a genocide | 02:22 |
| pupnik | and we all talked about video games | 02:22 |
| pupnik | and the murderers are plotting a new genocide | 02:23 |
| pupnik | lol | 02:23 |
| pupnik | time to work on open-source anti-missile projects | 02:24 |
| pupnik | and networked airspace observatoin | 02:24 |
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| pupnik | anything to prevent these motherfuckers from terminator mode | 02:24 |
| GAN900 | Wrong number from ANOTHER credit collection angency. | 02:24 |
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| pupnik | stfu GAN900 | 02:24 |
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| * GAN900 will murder Linda Klempz. | 02:24 | |
| pupnik | topic is serious | 02:24 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, nou. | 02:25 |
| pupnik | you goin jew on us? | 02:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: I warned you not to offend or insult people! | 02:25 |
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| pupnik | ok | 02:25 |
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| javispedro | hmpf. | 02:26 |
| ieatlint | well, now that that's over, i can go back to my genocide | 02:26 |
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| javispedro | mid-life crisis, they say. I'm too young to understand it either way. | 02:28 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: you can hide the banhammer now :) | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | not sure about it | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and it's tedious on N900 | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | to switch | 02:28 |
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| mavhc | my n810 is dying, what should I replace it with?, around same price, no contract | 02:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dyning how? | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | wlso - where ar eyou? | 02:39 |
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| mavhc | touchscreen is going, battery charging is messed up | 02:40 |
| oshin | don't want to consider an N900? | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not just needing a nrew battery? | 02:41 |
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| mavhc | too expensive | 02:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - I think you can get touch panels | 02:41 |
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| mavhc | apparently I could replace the connector cable, but that's tricky, and they're not cheap | 02:42 |
| oshin | will china make multitouch resistive screen for n900? | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:44 |
| SpeedEvil | A clone display/screen is easy | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | A panel adding new functionality is hard, as it would require actual work. | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | and drivers | 02:45 |
| oshin | :( | 02:46 |
| oshin | i won't want a capacitive screen. | 02:46 |
| oshin | i am a painter. | 02:46 |
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| ShadowJK | and a new touchscreen controller | 02:52 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | oshin: I can buy clone n900's here so I'm sure you can et screens | 03:04 |
| jpinx-eeepc | mavhc: what's "too expensive" - I got my 6 month old 2nd-hand N900 for just under US$300 | 03:07 |
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| mavhc | that'd be ok | 03:07 |
| jpinx-eeepc | mavhc: depends what ccountry you're in - look on locally based internet auctions, etc | 03:09 |
| mavhc | I'll check ebay | 03:10 |
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| javispedro | hmpf. | 03:18 |
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| javispedro | on a desktop file, "Version" is supposed to mean Desktop file spec version | 03:18 |
| javispedro | nearly everyone is misusing it (including me) | 03:18 |
| javispedro | (and some Nokians, of course) | 03:19 |
| javispedro | it should be 1.0, not your apps version. | 03:19 |
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| Termana | good morning | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (vesion) I remarked that a few days ago here | 03:36 |
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| internetishard | hey, why does evopedia load wiki pages at about the same speed as over the web | 04:01 |
| internetishard | I've a whole 13gb database on a microsd | 04:01 |
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| internetishard | also, how do you choose which app opens which type of file in file manager? | 04:05 |
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| cehteh | evopedia runs a local webserver and has to uncompress every page, quite some overhead for such a little device i guess (and possibly unoptimized programming practices too) | 04:12 |
| cehteh | hey why dont just put the offline wikipedia on a squashfs and done | 04:12 |
| internetishard | does evopedia support that? | 04:13 |
| internetishard | Yeah, the whole reason I did this was for instant access - I usually have internet acces | 04:13 |
| cehteh | no idea, but the community kernel dies and any browser which can access file:// will do | 04:13 |
| cehteh | does | 04:13 |
| internetishard | how do I get hildon-thumbnail and all those to not index shit on mmc1? | 04:13 |
| SpeedEvil | ~/config/tracker IIRC | 04:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | /tracker/tracker.cfg | 04:15 |
| SpeedEvil | # List of directory roots NOT to index and NOT to watch (separator=;) | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | NoWatchDirectory=$HOME/MyDocs/core-dumps/;$HOME/MyDocs/cities/;$HOME/MyDocs/.sou | 04:16 |
| internetishard | where is /tracker? | 04:17 |
| SpeedEvil | /home/user/.config/tracker/... | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | whereis, err find /home -name '*tracker*' | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | or http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 04:20 |
| internetishard | thanks, I just did /media/mmc1/ - all of it | 04:23 |
| internetishard | DocScrutinizer, how would you recommend I speed up evopedia? | 04:23 |
| internetishard | I've the latest wiki dump of 12gb from the evopedia site | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | checkout wikireader source, somewhere in ... err forgot. | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | Openmoko wikireader | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | might have some solutions | 04:24 |
| internetishard | well is fennec normally slow? | 04:25 |
| internetishard | I mean, opera usually seems a lot faster.. there seems to be some unnecessary waiting before a page loads | 04:26 |
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| cehteh | lets try this squashfs idea :) | 04:27 |
| * cehteh thinks evopedia is dead slow too | 04:27 | |
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| cehteh | eta 12m 36s ... | 04:28 |
| cehteh | mhm :) | 04:28 |
| cehteh | the wikipedia server is a bit slow :P | 04:29 |
| internetishard | Sorry, I don't completely follow | 04:29 |
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| internetishard | It looks like evopedia has squashfs support | 04:29 |
| cehteh | really? | 04:29 |
| internetishard | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39871 I'm trying to decipher from this | 04:30 |
| internetishard | cehteh, which wiki dump did you get? It seems like they used to be in different formats, but mine is just a bunch of .dat files adding up to 13gb | 04:31 |
| cehteh | ack here too | 04:32 |
| cehteh | i just followed the evopedia instructions | 04:32 |
| internetishard | same | 04:32 |
| internetishard | I feel newb | 04:32 |
| cehteh | but i am now getting a 7z dump from wikipedia.de and convert that to squashfs | 04:32 |
| internetishard | I mean, I think the hardware should be able to handle it since I open some pretty big (20mb+) pdfs seemingly instantly | 04:32 |
| cehteh | the 7z is 3.2GB ... doing that on the server for a try | 04:32 |
| cehteh | i can make the squashfs available when this experiment works | 04:33 |
| cehteh | (no need for evopedia then :P) | 04:33 |
| internetishard | what compression is the format we're using? | 04:33 |
| cehteh | i dont know what evopedia uses | 04:33 |
| internetishard | evopedia has some cool shit though, it indexes stuff in a way that makes searching quick... it just cant open the pages quick (how do we know this isn't fennec's fault?) | 04:34 |
| cehteh | neither exactly what squashfs uses, but in my experiments it turned out compressing quite well | 04:34 |
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| cehteh | well, will take 15 minutes .. downloading 3.2gb is a bit slow :P | 04:38 |
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| internetishard | k, what do you think about fennec causing the slowness? | 04:43 |
| cehteh | guess thats reasonable :P | 04:46 |
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| cehteh | tried microb instead? well here microb with evopedia isnt really fast either | 04:46 |
| cehteh | ok i have the dump, unpacking, repacking to a squashfs .. will take a bit too :P | 04:48 |
| trip0 | has anyone built anything against qt4-experiemental? | 04:54 |
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| trip0 | this qt 4.7 "experimental" stuff is kinda unnecessary. name it the same as the 4.6.x packages and let them get updated | 05:12 |
| cehteh | bah 7z is slow :P | 05:15 |
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| javispedro | hm. | 05:54 |
| javispedro | from reading the accelerometer driver, it already uses interrupts for something | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ;yes | 05:54 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer51: DOC!!! | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | didn't I say that? | 05:54 |
| javispedro | :P | 05:54 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | raster o/ | 05:55 |
| raster | howgoes? | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: what it doesn't use is the highpass filter | 05:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | raster: too much trouble with real life | 05:55 |
| raster | nooooooooo | 05:58 |
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| raster | not real life | 05:58 |
| * raster kicks real life in the nuts | 05:58 | |
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| internetishard | any success cehteh? | 06:35 |
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| kerio | where's MNZ :( | 09:18 |
| kerio | my pulseaudio sucks, i have to let out my anger at someone | 09:19 |
| Termana | Why MNZ? | 09:19 |
| Termana | There is plenty of others that can be forsaken. | 09:20 |
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| rmrfchik | tekojo: apt-get update works fine | 11:17 |
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| RST38h | Ah, PR1.3. | 11:44 |
| frals | omg what where?! | 11:45 |
| djszapi | does one have idea why 'ar' binary is not linked dynamically agaisnt libbfd on armv7 ? | 11:45 |
| Corsac | hmhm, will have to wait this evening :) | 11:45 |
| djszapi | * against | 11:46 |
| zogg__ | RST38h not out yet | 11:46 |
| zogg__ | !pr1.3 | 11:47 |
| zogg__ | ~pr1,3 | 11:47 |
| zogg__ | ~pr1.3 | 11:47 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 11:47 |
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| mece | ZogG: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/n900 | 11:47 |
| mece | "Latest software release for Nokia N900 is 20.2010.36-2" | 11:48 |
| ZogG | mece - so? | 11:48 |
| ZogG | mece it's test release | 11:48 |
| ZogG | and the most trustfull info is dev-nokia | 11:48 |
| mece | why would they mention a test release on the official support page? | 11:48 |
| mece | that makes no sense | 11:48 |
| ZogG | mece likethose thing never happened | 11:48 |
| ZogG | why would they mention the release of the 32 week when it's 42 week now? | 11:49 |
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| ZogG | is maemo libfkash only in /usr/lib/browser/plugins? | 11:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | ZogG: what's libfkash? | 11:51 |
| ZogG | libflash* | 11:51 |
| ZogG | timeless_mbp just replaced libflash.so with the one from android | 11:52 |
| ZogG | nt working =) | 11:52 |
| mece | ZogG, well it says 36 there, and they would not release this weeks build this week, since that would not have been tested yet. And uk users got pr1.2 over ssu before it appeared on tablets-dev. So both points are null and void. Doesn't mean pr1.3 is out though. | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | "nt"? | 11:52 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: fwiw, releases do end up having rather old numbers | 11:52 |
| ZogG | mece let's pray for best, maybe they are pissed of leaked release? | 11:52 |
| johnx | tablets-dev has historically gotten releases later, quite a bit of the time | 11:52 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, that's what I meant. | 11:53 |
| ZogG | cause if it's the same as the leaked one - it's not that cool =( | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | 36-2 is the right release though | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | so it should be pr1.3 | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | There are always 3 places where updates are released. | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | it's what i've been running for a while | 11:53 |
| ZogG | X-Fade on my phone, yours and nokia lab? | 11:53 |
| mece | timeless_mbp, thanks | 11:53 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 11:53 |
| X-Fade | For windows flasher on nokia.com, for linux on tablets-dev and SSU. | 11:53 |
| ZogG | but than it means leaked one was final pr1.3? | 11:54 |
| mece | eyup | 11:54 |
| ZogG | that is not sweet =( | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ZogG: if you call leaking it to nokia.com a leak | 11:54 |
| ZogG | 1)there were more bugfixes after | 11:54 |
| * timeless_mbp finds that to be an amusing way to leak something | 11:54 | |
| mece | timeless_mbp: well it's been out on teh intertubes for a couple of weeks | 11:54 |
| timeless_mbp | ZogG: you'd rather people wait *another* two months? | 11:54 |
| ZogG | timeless_mbp, maybe Nokia got it from forum with leaked one and released it? | 11:55 |
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| ZogG | timeless_mbp i would wait for better release | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | ... | 11:55 |
| timeless_mbp | you're nuts | 11:55 |
| ZogG | didn't waited so much before someone mentioned it would be released | 11:55 |
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| ZogG | timeless_mbp, it might be last release, so i rather wait | 11:55 |
| * timeless_mbp can't follow the logic | 11:55 | |
| * mece neither | 11:56 | |
| timeless_mbp | if 36-2 is the last release, why wait? | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, i've been happy w/ 36-2 for a while now | 11:56 |
| asj__ | wow 36-2 eh? woudda thought it wouldn't take that long to get through qa | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | it isn't perfect certainly, and there are bugs i'd like to see fixed | 11:56 |
| ZogG | timeless_mbp because i would like to have last release with as much improves as i can | 11:56 |
| ZogG | so i would wait for 77-2 =) | 11:56 |
| johnx | asj__, anyone who follows Nokia's previous releaes :) | 11:56 |
| timeless_mbp | you do realize that 53 is the max number, right? | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it's a week number | 11:57 |
| mece | LOL | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | ranging from 00, 0 .. 53 | 11:57 |
| timeless_mbp | don't ask how 0 and 00 differ | 11:57 |
| ZogG | <timeless_mbp> anyway, i've been happy w/ 36-2 for a while now // there would be no later, that's my point | 11:57 |
| ZogG | timeless_mbp didn't know that anyway want 77 | 11:57 |
| mece | johnx, well pr1.2 was week 19 and released week 22 | 11:57 |
| mece | iirc | 11:57 |
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| ZogG | i have a question | 11:58 |
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| ZogG | in setting menu in about thing, i got n900 version - unknown | 11:58 |
| ZogG | why would it be ? =) | 11:58 |
| asj__ | mece: well except it was probably supposed to be wk12 ;) | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | ZogG: there are some files it uses to calculate that | 11:58 |
| timeless_mbp | if they're unhappy, it'll say that | 11:58 |
| johnx | 7 weeks is probably the upper end of the spectrum. might be a sign that they want it to be right so they don't have to go back ... | 11:58 |
| * timeless_mbp can't remember if one of them is the pr metapackage | 11:58 | |
| VladNistor-of | ZogG, you're overclocking :) | 11:59 |
| mece | johnx, yep | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: 42-36 = 6, not 7, right? | 11:59 |
| jacekowski | 42 | 11:59 |
| ZogG | VladNistor-of nope - i don't =) | 11:59 |
| johnx | timeless, isn't it week 43? | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 11:59 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: i wouldn't know | 12:00 |
| mece | hahah | 12:00 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't use week numbers | 12:00 | |
| VladNistor-of | ZogG, you have a custom kernel then probably | 12:00 |
| johnx | date '+%W' | 12:00 |
| ZogG | it's the last release for us | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | do i look like a Finn? | 12:00 |
| ZogG | makes me sad | 12:00 |
| Corsac | timeless_mbp: you're an ical user? | 12:00 |
| ZogG | VladNistor-of don't think so | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Corsac: i'm mostly a gCal user i suppose | 12:00 |
| timeless_mbp | and the maemo calendar | 12:00 |
| VladNistor-of | the custom kernel is the only reason for missing version number in about I know of | 12:00 |
| ZogG | damn why i can't update cause of libsdl-gfx1.2-4 | 12:01 |
| RST38h | ZogG: So let me clarify, the official pr1.3 is the same as the leaked pr1.3? :) | 12:01 |
| RST38h | moo johnx | 12:01 |
| mece | quite. | 12:01 |
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| johnx | m00f RST38h | 12:01 |
| ZogG | RST38h are you asking me? as the dates says - it s =( | 12:02 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, you're a Maquis -- US guerilla infiltrated inside the European persona. | 12:02 |
| mece | I guess I need to reinstall my original hildon-desktop to be able to upgrade normally. | 12:02 |
| RST38h | ZogG: I see. | 12:02 |
| * VladNistor-of doubts the leaked version is the same as pr1.3 will be | 12:02 | |
| mece | ZogG, RST38h is telling you. VladNistor-of, doubting doesn't make it less so. | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | VladNistor-of: leaks don't exist | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | but the thing on the nokia page which claims that 36-2 is real shouldn't be lying | 12:03 |
| mece | I'm gonna take a leak right now. | 12:03 |
| mece | brb. | 12:03 |
| VladNistor-of | mece, if it were ready, they would have no reason to keep it back. | 12:03 |
| timeless_mbp | now that there's a real thing out there, you're free to use it | 12:03 |
| mece | VladNistor-of, it was in QA. | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | VladNistor-of: eh? | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | images are made | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | then they're tested | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | then after basic testing, they go to other testing | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | then they go to wider testing | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | then they go to management to get release approval | 12:04 |
| timeless_mbp | then they go to you | 12:04 |
| mece | VladNistor-of, what timeless_mbp said. | 12:04 |
| RST38h | then everyone switches to Android. | 12:04 |
| Corsac | then you find bugs | 12:04 |
| sp3000 | I thought there was a maze there somewhere | 12:04 |
| VladNistor-of | i dunno how Nokia does it, but I believe packages are tested, not images | 12:05 |
| Corsac | then you're eaten by a grue | 12:05 |
| RST38h | Actually, it probably happens somewhere between step #2 and step #3 | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | VladNistor-of: we test images | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | not packages | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: i think closer to step #1 | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | but whatever floats your boat | 12:05 |
| VladNistor-of | my bad then | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: the maze is somewhere between steps 4 and 5 | 12:05 |
| timeless_mbp | VladNistor-of: that's "we" being the entire group | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | individual teams which make individual packages might test individual packages | 12:06 |
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| timeless_mbp | but even that is relatively unlikely | 12:06 |
| Khertan | Hello all ! | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | the browser team doesn't ship one package, we might ship ~10 | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | so we'd test our *packages* as a set | 12:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm actually not sure i know of *any* teams which ship only one package | 12:06 |
| VladNistor-of | But if you test an image and see problems you'll make a new one with fixes, so that's why i said that if pr1.3 would be different from the particular image "leaked" | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | perhaps the kernel team? but even they need to test against an image to ensure they haven't broken too many other packages | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | hrm | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 12:07 |
| timeless_mbp | if we see problems, we file bugs | 12:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | whether or not we make fixes is a management decision | 12:07 |
| mece | I guess it depends on if the bug is a blocker | 12:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | heck, we might make fixes to our local packages, but those changes can be excluded if management doesn't want them | 12:08 |
| ZogG | lol argued with guy about harm of symlink use flag for kernel in gentoo, after long arguing i just got answer that he updates kernel more often than system =) | 12:08 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, ah ... the management .... | 12:08 |
| johnx | aaand, talk.maemo.org is down | 12:09 |
| johnx | fun times | 12:09 |
| Khertan | ;) | 12:09 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: you're noticing a pattern? | 12:09 |
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| VladNistor-of | is 1.3 out now or why are we talking about it again? :)) | 12:10 |
| mece | anyway the "leaked" is 20.2010.36-2, as is pr1.3. It's leaked because it was in the hands of end users before it was done testing. It has nothing to do with the results of the testing | 12:10 |
| johnx | VladNistor-of, I'd point you to an interesting talk.m.o thread, but t.m.o is down ... | 12:10 |
| timeless_mbp | VladNistor-of: according to europe.nokia.com, it's out | 12:10 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, hum .... i'm currently working on implementing a unspecified feature before fixing critical bugs in on of our software because our management team say that fixing bug doesn't bring money | 12:10 |
| hahlo | leaks remains me wikileaks, does techno companies employees also leak there or is it only politics :) | 12:10 |
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| Khertan | so yes ... it s about the same pattern everywhere :) | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: business as usual? | 12:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea. *sigh* | 12:11 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, exactly :) | 12:11 |
| mece | VladNistor-of, apparently you can install it with the software updater from windows. Or so says nokia support here: http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/device-software-update?n900= | 12:11 |
| johnx | Khertan, pattern? like a design pattern? | 12:11 |
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| VladNistor-of | thanks, johnx, timeless mbp | 12:11 |
| timeless_mbp | mece: someone should try using that in Wine | 12:11 |
| * timeless_mbp wants to know if it works | 12:11 | |
| mece | boyer-moore pattern matching | 12:11 |
| johnx | design pattern #134: sneak bug fixes into feature releases to get them past management | 12:12 |
| Khertan | johnx :) | 12:12 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Just confirms that Gentoo is for serial kernel compilers | 12:14 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:14 |
| johnx | RST38h, I think we should just classify it as a mental health disorder: Constant Kernel re-Compile Syndrome (CKCS) | 12:15 |
| timeless_mbp | RST38h: but i want to meet parallel kernel compilers! | 12:15 |
| crashanddie | is "serial kernel compilers" like "serial killer" but in the geek world? | 12:15 |
| crashanddie | "Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you." | 12:15 |
| johnx | crashanddie, yes. a lot of us read slashdot :) | 12:16 |
| ZogG | everyone is checkin' for pr1.3 as the whole tmo is lagging? | 12:16 |
| VladNistor-of | no over-the-air update yet it seems. | 12:16 |
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| johnx | VladNistor-of, some people got it, apparently | 12:16 |
| crashanddie | johnx, well, as being a +5 funny, I'm pretty sure a google of that sentence points to /. anyway :) | 12:16 |
| crashanddie | johnx, "But that AC was me!" | 12:16 |
| VladNistor-of | i just updated the package list with fapman | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | fap fap fap | 12:17 |
| johnx | VladNistor-of, keep in mind that Nokia's repository servers use geo-DNS | 12:17 |
| johnx | ... to route you to an akamai cache near you | 12:17 |
| johnx | some will take longer to update than others | 12:18 |
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| X-Fade | Shouldn't be more than an hour though. | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | so 1.3 is actually released? | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | worth putting in the topic? | 12:18 |
| crashanddie | changelog about somewhere? | 12:18 |
| X-Fade | There is no SSU nor linux flashable one out yet. | 12:18 |
| ZogG | RST38h just confirms that idiots are out there =) | 12:18 |
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| VladNistor-of | yeah, it shoulnd't take to long. I'm in Romania btw, so no joy here | 12:19 |
| ZogG | VladNistor-of i'm in israel no joy here as well | 12:19 |
| crashanddie | ZogG, "either" | 12:19 |
| johnx | "shouldn't" and "won't" aren't the same thing :) | 12:19 |
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| johnx | same as "theory" and "practice" | 12:19 |
| * VladNistor-of agrees | 12:20 | |
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| ZogG | it bugs me that there is not jerusalem or any israel city timezone when you config n900 for the first time in the time zone lists | 12:20 |
| timeless_mbp | ZogG: bah | 12:20 |
| *** crashanddie changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient." | 12:20 | |
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| timeless_mbp | it bugs me that i can't pick HEL as my timezone and keep my language/region as NAM | 12:20 |
| ZogG | you have to go to map thing to set it =( | 12:20 |
| kerio | HEL? | 12:20 |
| kerio | wtf | 12:20 |
| alterego | slowely but surely? | 12:21 |
| kerio | and what's NAM? | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | HELsinking NorthAMerica | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | s/g/i/ | 12:21 |
| infobot | timeless_mbp meant: HELsinkini NorthAMerica | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | "Hell sinking"? | 12:21 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: freudian slip? | 12:21 |
| Khertan | Nuclear Ammunition Machine | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp, or maybe you're watching fat chick porn? "Hell's Bikini?" | 12:22 |
| timeless_mbp | i presume i don't want to know? | 12:22 |
| ZogG | crashanddie \o/ | 12:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:22 |
| Khertan | hi crashanddie :) | 12:22 |
| crashanddie | Hey Khertan | 12:22 |
| Corsac | it might be a bit cold to be in bikini in helsinki though | 12:22 |
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| ZogG | so if it's out there where is it | 12:22 |
| alterego | Is tmo okay? | 12:22 |
| ZogG | damn =) | 12:22 |
| Corsac | (and in slip too) | 12:22 |
| alterego | Can't seem to access it | 12:22 |
| johnx | alterego, down for me as well (also down for downforeveryoneorjustme.com) | 12:23 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, i ve a question for you ... i ve try qtwebkit on n900 it seems faster than microb ... what is the main diff between the both engine ? | 12:23 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: age? | 12:24 |
| alterego | johnx: thanks :) | 12:24 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, age ? | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | or probably about 24 months to be more precise | 12:24 |
| alterego | Always good to know it's not just me | 12:24 |
| ZogG | is it me or TMO is down? | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: did you branch qtwebkit based on when microb branched from mozilla-central? | 12:24 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, it s not a reason firefox on n900 is worst :) | 12:24 |
| timeless_mbp | or did you take one from roughly today? | 12:24 |
| sp3000 | hell sin keep? | 12:24 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, yep on my n800 webkit was faster ... but with a poor render :) | 12:25 |
| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer51: wtf? [20:05] < DocScrutinizer> Myrtti: now what alarm is due for that? | 12:25 |
| sp3000 | Khertan: like links! :D | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: anyway, ask a stupid question, get the answer you get | 12:25 |
| timeless_mbp | take it or leave it | 12:25 |
| kerio | dillo ftfw | 12:25 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, but i think my question wasn't well explain :) | 12:26 |
| kerio | i should tell lcuk to port dillo to liqbase | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | i think that qualifies as stupid, yes | 12:26 |
| kerio | lcuk: port dillo to liqbase | 12:26 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, the question was more about the main tech diff between gecko and webkit | 12:26 |
| Khertan | timeless_mbp, you can qualify it as stupid, it s your right :) | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | Khertan: http://http://arewefastyet.com/ | 12:26 |
| timeless_mbp | http://arewefastyet.com/ | 12:27 |
| * timeless_mbp kicks chrome for being stupid | 12:27 | |
| Khertan | :) | 12:27 |
| kerio | stupid but fast! | 12:27 |
| Khertan | but stupid | 12:27 |
| kerio | but fast! | 12:27 |
| timeless_mbp | kerio: running into a wall fast doesn't help me | 12:27 |
| kerio | if you're fast enough, you break the wall | 12:27 |
| crashanddie | GAN900, http://twitpic.com/2zw0s8 | 12:27 |
| johnx | Khertan, totally different codebase, with very different goals (originally), started at different times, by different people, in different environments | 12:27 |
| alterego | tmo back up now | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: fwiw, webkit was actually forked from khtml by mozilla engineers | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | (well netscape engineers who had been working on gecko and were hired by apple to make webkit) | 12:28 |
| sp3000 | it's all a grand conspiracy really | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | anyway, microb makes certain additional tradeoffs | 12:28 |
| johnx | timeless_mbp, I was thinking KHTML vs Netscape though :) | 12:28 |
| timeless_mbp | johnx: i suspected you might have been | 12:29 |
| ZogG | good news | 12:29 |
| alterego | Why isn't 1.3 on tablets-dev if it's been released? | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: that's a bannable question | 12:29 |
| johnx | alterego, sometimes tablets-dev is behind the nokia.com and even the SSU release | 12:29 |
| timeless_mbp | there are a bunch of different places where releases have to go | 12:29 |
| alterego | Urgh | 12:30 |
| alterego | No manual download then? | 12:30 |
| johnx | not yet | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you can wait a few hours | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be there by Wednesday :) | 12:30 |
| alterego | Yeah, I know :) | 12:30 |
| alterego | Hahah | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | you've been waiting 2 months | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | what's another 2 days? | 12:30 |
| johnx | or install a windows VM, and use the Nokia updater | 12:30 |
| * timeless_mbp shakes head | 12:30 | |
| alterego | Waiting? Meh :P | 12:30 |
| * johnx flips back to vmware player | 12:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | … end users… no sense of scale | 12:30 |
| alterego | I'm just bored and want something to do :P | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | /perspective | 12:30 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: try Wine | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | lemme know if it works | 12:31 |
| alterego | Heh, wine on n900. | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | note that you only need to convince the updater to *download* the image | 12:31 |
| ZogG | DeaDBeeF hitted maemo | 12:31 |
| timeless_mbp | not flash it | 12:31 |
| ZogG | RST38h, ^ | 12:31 |
| ZogG | http://imglink.ru/pictures/23-10-10/319c31cfa9dcda9783956c5998502795.jpg | 12:31 |
| thp | Khertan: i can't login to identi.ca using Khweeteur 0.0.37 - are you aware of this issue? | 12:31 |
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| sivang | good morning eerybody | 12:32 |
| * sivang wonders if Harmattan apps development can happen on the 1.3 SDK upgrade | 12:32 | |
| Khertan | thp, yep | 12:32 |
| Khertan | this ... grrr identi.ca oauth is full of bugs | 12:32 |
| ZogG | http://23.fi/deadbeef-n900/ | 12:32 |
| sivang | hey timeless_mbp | 12:32 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: 'sup? | 12:32 |
| alterego | sivang: should do, though you may need the harmattan ui framework | 12:32 |
| timeless_mbp | poking hg | 12:32 |
| Khertan | thp, there is some problem with datetime when loggin | 12:33 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Not until they maemoize it. | 12:33 |
| Khertan | thp, sometime you have less than 5s to enter the token and validate ti | 12:33 |
| Khertan | it | 12:33 |
| thp | Khertan: ugh.. that does not really work right now with having to select it, etc.. | 12:33 |
| ZogG | RST38h what you mean maemoize it? | 12:33 |
| sivang | alterego:I guess it will be released soon into sb | 12:33 |
| thp | maybe you are using the machine-readable oauth api and that one has this time limit? | 12:33 |
| ZogG | RST38h it's port optified as i understand | 12:34 |
| RST38h | ZogG: That menu bar basically saus "I know how to compile stuff under Linux but I cannot code" | 12:34 |
| thp | Khertan: also, maybe you can use QtWebKit inside your app to auto-grab the token once its displayed? | 12:34 |
| sivang | timeless_mbp: ah, on what code? | 12:34 |
| sivang | hey thp :) | 12:34 |
| Khertan | thp, yep this is why i m playing currently with qtwebkit :) | 12:34 |
| ZogG | RST38h, http://23.fi/kuvat/deadbeef-n900.png | 12:34 |
| thp | sivang: hey | 12:34 |
| crashanddie | ZogG, how weird, that screenshots shows one fucked-up font. Did you break your device? | 12:34 |
| ZogG | RST38h, it even has portrait mode - what are you talikng =) | 12:34 |
| Khertan | Harmattan <<< it s not a dead project ? | 12:34 |
| timeless_mbp | sivang: hg-crew | 12:34 |
| ZogG | crashanddie it's not mine =) | 12:35 |
| petteri | RST38h: i can code :D | 12:35 |
| crashanddie | petteri, no, you can't. | 12:35 |
| petteri | :/ | 12:35 |
| petteri | patches are wellcome | 12:35 |
| crashanddie | wellcum? | 12:36 |
| VladNistor-of | forum is back | 12:36 |
| sivang | crashanddie: booo | 12:36 |
| ZogG | petteri is it your code? | 12:36 |
| crashanddie | counter-boo | 12:36 |
| ZogG | petteri is it your port* | 12:36 |
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| TermanaDesire | Anyone that knows about disassembly of the n900 around? | 12:37 |
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| TermanaDesire | So everyone disappears... | 12:37 |
| TermanaDesire | :p | 12:37 |
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| petteri | ZogG: I just compiled it in scratchbox | 12:38 |
| kerio | TermanaDesire: i know for a fact DocScrutinizer broke his n900 while disassembling it | 12:38 |
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| kerio | and he's an EE | 12:38 |
| petteri | , but will update it later when I have time | 12:38 |
| kerio | so that should either question his ability as a EE, or the feasibility of disassembling the N900 | 12:38 |
| petteri | crashanddie: please send patches if you have problems with the port | 12:38 |
| kerio | or both, i guess | 12:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: ;) | 12:39 |
| crashanddie | petteri, I don't use your app :) | 12:39 |
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| TermanaDesire | kerio: mine won't turn on already so I'm not so worried about breaking it | 12:39 |
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| kerio | i recommend nokia care | 12:39 |
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| TermanaDesire | I just want to open it and stab the board | 12:40 |
| petteri | crashanddie: ok | 12:40 |
| thp | Khertan: great, khweeteur is one of the most promising twitter apps on the n900, so i'd love to use it with identi.ca as well | 12:40 |
| kerio | do that from the outside | 12:40 |
| kerio | *way* more satisfying | 12:40 |
| thp | (only problem is I might be bugging you with feature requests like merging identi.ca and twitter.com posts that are the same once it starts working :p) | 12:40 |
| TermanaDesire | kerio: nokia care will do nothing it's been in water | 12:40 |
| kerio | of course it will | 12:40 |
| kerio | if you give them money | 12:40 |
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| kerio | less money than you'd need to buy another one | 12:40 |
| sivang | how do phones get into water? | 12:41 |
| sivang | *mystery* | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | by dropping them over the loo | 12:41 |
| Khertan | thp, :) it s a good idea :) | 12:41 |
| sivang | crashanddie: that happend to me once with a stupid samsung of my terrible ex, | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | cause or effect? | 12:42 |
| TermanaDesire | Not by the loo for me | 12:42 |
| ZogG | petteri so announce it on forums and push it to repos? | 12:42 |
| sivang | crashanddie: heh | 12:42 |
| Khertan | thp, the main problem i have with the identi.ca bugs ... is that i cannot reproduce it with my account | 12:42 |
| TermanaDesire | My little brother dunked it while I slept | 12:42 |
| sivang | crashanddie: since then I'm prefer to die than to go over the toilet with my N900 | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | I guess that's one good thing for the iPad | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | it doesn't fit in the bowl | 12:42 |
| TermanaDesire | Reminder : don't keep phones in your pocket with little kids | 12:42 |
| timeless_mbp | petteri: get rid of the menubar | 12:43 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, mouarf ! | 12:43 |
| petteri | ZogG: I will do it later when it is ready | 12:43 |
| petteri | more ready :) | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, I helped out a friend on his shitty django website | 12:43 |
| crashanddie | I asked for an iPad as payment | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | petteri: | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | 1. get rid of the menubar | 12:43 |
| timeless_mbp | 2. switch to outlook style 2 lines per message = 2 lines per track | 12:43 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, and now ... what you will do with it ? | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 3. don't chop off duration like that | 12:44 |
| TermanaDesire | DocScrutinizer: ping | 12:44 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, dunno, as I said when it was announced, keep it in the living room for couch-surfing while watching the news or sitting next to gf while watching movie? | 12:44 |
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| petteri | timeless_mbp: it requires quite a lot of work. It is mostly straight recompile in scratchbox. The GUI is the same as it is the desktop version. I have not done anythin else than added rotation support | 12:44 |
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| timeless_mbp | 4. don't use a tiny volume triangle. show volume as a percentage or something and when tapped then show a 400+px wide widget | 12:44 |
| timeless_mbp | 5. don't use a button border to indicate active state | 12:45 |
| timeless_mbp | (play) | 12:45 |
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| timeless_mbp | anyway, that's enough of a basic list :) | 12:45 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, and you think that you will have hand free while watching movie with gf ? | 12:45 |
| Khertan | :) | 12:45 |
| crashanddie | Khertan, yeah, she's not too sticky | 12:46 |
| petteri | timeless_mbp: thanks for the tips | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'd probably do Album, Track, Duration on one line. and Playing, Title on the next | 12:46 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, lol | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | actually, probably put the title line above the artist line | 12:46 |
| timeless_mbp | petteri: also, does it make sense to show the artist in the title area? | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd imagine the title is more useful | 12:47 |
| timeless_mbp | 6. ^ | 12:48 |
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| crashanddie | "Museum offers night on a magic mushroom: Visitors to Berlin's Museum for Contemporary Art can book themselves a night in an installation which includes a floating hotel room on a platform shaped like a mushroom at a cost of 1,000 euros" | 12:48 |
| crashanddie | I was hoping for another kind of magic mushroom :( | 12:49 |
| sivang | crashanddie: hehe | 12:49 |
| sivang | crashanddie: you shoudl come here, or go to India :) | 12:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: does it include some padded surface to fall off onto? | 12:49 |
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| crashanddie | Oh hang on | 12:52 |
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| crashanddie | Anyone fancy buying a human head? just 22000 euros: http://www.plastination-products.com/Silicone-specimens/Human/Head/Whole-head/Head-trigeminal-nerve::435.html | 12:53 |
| Khertan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD98O0rVev0 | 12:53 |
| Khertan | a palm game natively (or near) on maemo :) | 12:54 |
| Khertan | hihi | 12:54 |
| lcuk | Khertan, your bug tracker has a bug | 12:54 |
| lcuk | kathy and I tried filing a bug on it on sunday morning | 12:55 |
| Khertan | lcuk, ? | 12:55 |
| Khertan | oh really ? | 12:55 |
| Khertan | what s the problem ? | 12:55 |
| lcuk | and it would not accept that and kept saying the math question was wrong | 12:55 |
| lcuk | and I know it was early, but we tried multiple times | 12:55 |
| lcuk | kathy has a screenshot | 12:55 |
| lcuk | we were filing something based on a bug in khweeteur | 12:55 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34 | 12:56 |
| crashanddie | "SUP-RITE" | 12:58 |
| Khertan | lcuk, didn't have any problem | 12:59 |
| RST38h | How can I check for PR1.3 availability from a desktop browser? Is there a URL? | 12:59 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: please; no trolling | 13:00 |
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| Khertan | lcuk, http://khertan.net/khweeteur/bugs | 13:00 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:00 |
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| Yabba | Hello, is today d-day for pr1.3? Because I install something called 20.2010.36-2 right now... | 13:01 |
| lcuk | Khertan, now try it from n900 :P | 13:01 |
| PontusOhman | Yabba: > Yeah, that's the new FW for N900 | 13:02 |
| tybollt | seriously, 1.3 today? | 13:02 |
| Khertan | lcuk, ah ... | 13:02 |
| Khertan | lcuk, with microb ? | 13:02 |
| sivang | it is? | 13:02 |
| tybollt | pontus: Hej! Verkligen, 1.3 idag? | 13:02 |
| Khertan | lcuk, or ff | 13:02 |
| sivang | no announcment nothing? | 13:02 |
| tybollt | someone please; a changelog for 1.3? | 13:02 |
| lcuk | Khertan, microb | 13:02 |
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| ZogG | RST38h check the livepr1.3.org | 13:03 |
| RST38h | tybollt: What trolling??? | 13:03 |
| RST38h | ZogG: No, seriously, what is the URL for the repository? | 13:04 |
| lcuk | Khertan, get hold of kathy, she has screenshot of both the bug report and actual problem we were trying to highlight | 13:04 |
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| tybollt | RST38h: well, my apaologies then... :-S | 13:04 |
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| Khertan | lcuk, lol... i didn't have any problem | 13:05 |
| Khertan | mouarf | 13:05 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:05 |
| Khertan | maybe it s related to something else | 13:05 |
| PontusOhman | Take a look here: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/n900 | 13:05 |
| Khertan | Kathy never come on irc, isn't it ? | 13:06 |
| PontusOhman | Latest software release for Nokia N900 is 20.2010.36-2 * | 13:06 |
| RST38h | Comes here every now and then | 13:06 |
| tybollt | Khertan: she does visit here yes, however, not very often. | 13:06 |
| PontusOhman | tybollt: > Du har ju maemosweden and meegosweden att hänga i också om du vill ;) | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | en-* please :) | 13:07 |
| tybollt | PontusOhman: oh fan, visste inte :-o | 13:07 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: jajaja | 13:08 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: changelog, please? | 13:08 |
| * tybollt pokes timeless_mbp w/ a rusty fork | 13:08 | |
| X-Fade | tybollt: andre will probably publish it when he has time. | 13:09 |
| Milhouse | maemo and meego forum infra seems unable to cope with load today... | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: yeah, i'll leave it to andre | 13:09 |
| tybollt | X-Fade: you're in the committee right? Can't you give him a gentle nudge? :) | 13:09 |
| Milhouse | too much excitement, clearly. | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: not much point, it's pretty safe to assume he'll do it | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | tybollt: He's not online, so can't do that ;) | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | a nudge is only worth doing if it doesn't arrive w/in a week | 13:10 |
| Khertan | arg ... it s hard to test my package with all this timeout | 13:10 |
| tybollt | A release w/out a changelog is like a hot fudge sundae ... w/out the hot fudge... :-S | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | he's either already working on it, in which case nudging is just annoying | 13:10 |
| tybollt | no | 13:11 |
| Milhouse | "Nokia don't do changelogs" - always been the case with maemo, although the last release wasn't too bad I have to admit. | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | or has something "much" more important he's working on, in which case the nudge would have to be ignored anyway and is thus both bothersome and counterproductive | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | hmm, with lirc | 13:11 |
| tybollt | the point is; annoy the man until he releases it | 13:11 |
| jacekowski | have anybody tried to controll air conditioning? | 13:11 |
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| FauxFaux | lirc is so terrible. :s | 13:11 |
| tybollt | jacek: Say what? | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: beyond turning the knob to control "cooling", adjusting a target temperature on a thermostat, or simply turning it on / off? | 13:11 |
| Venemo_N810 | hi guys | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | Milhouse: err | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | timeless_mbp: i just want to use my phone instead of remote | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | there have been changelogs for maemo for a long time | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | jacekowski: x10? | 13:12 |
| sp3000 | also, food | 13:12 |
| jacekowski | x10? | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | sp3000: now? i'm planning to do it ~2pm :( | 13:12 |
| Milhouse | timeless: it's been discussed often and Nokia/Maemo have always been reluctant to produce detailed changelogs. The situation has improved under Andre, but only to the extent of pulling out the public bug fixes | 13:13 |
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| timeless_mbp | tybollt: a release w/o a changelog is like a hot fudge sunday w/o the detailed ingredient list indicating exactly how much fat each sprinkle adds | 13:13 |
| Milhouse | timeless: in the early days there were no changelogs, mind you everything used to change from one release to the next so hardly surprising. | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | Milhouse: i did the browser release notes around maemo3 iirc | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | or maemo4 | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | i know people appreciated them, but the reality is that the source input is garbage | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | which is ironic when you consider that maemo process requires *everything* go into a debian/changelog file | 13:14 |
| Milhouse | timeless: yeah, but I'm talking about the whole system, not just one app (thanks btw) | 13:14 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:14 |
| alterego | Can we start speculating about 1.4 now? | 13:15 |
| alterego | Qt 4.8? | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that the stuff that went into those debian/changelog files by virtue of being mandatory was mostly junk to satisfy a process requirement | 13:15 |
| alterego | :D | 13:15 |
| Venemo_N810 | timeless, what do you mean by the source input is garbage? | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | alterego: it Qt 4.8 is needed for the MeeGo to be used in some hypothetical Nokia MeeGo first offering | 13:15 |
| Milhouse | timeless: yep, there was public criticism of some entries - there may even be a bug entry for it | 13:15 |
| Venemo_N810 | alterego, why do you ask? | 13:16 |
| Khertan | alterego, before you should make a thread that pr1.3 didn't bring new feature and say that nokia ignore you and that you sell your device | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | then it's a reasonable bet on Qt 4.8 | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | otoh, if 4.8 won't be in that first offering, it's reasonable to bet against it | 13:16 |
| Milhouse | wondering if a full battery is sufficient to install PR1.3... very slow update process. | 13:16 |
| ShadowJK | Could you guys stop releasing software updates, that cesspool by the name of t.m.o. is not responding :/ | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: lol | 13:16 |
| alterego | Khertan: noted, I'll also mention at how MeeGo is the bastard son of intel and nokia and will never see the ligght of day, hahah | 13:16 |
| Milhouse | t.m.o and forum.meego have both gone down - same infra. whoops. :) | 13:16 |
| Khertan | arf | 13:17 |
| alterego | Hahah | 13:17 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: boo :P | 13:17 |
| ShadowJK | I should call Nokia Care and see if they've fixed my N900 yet | 13:17 |
| Milhouse | Is Qt 4.7 in PR1.3? | 13:17 |
| becks | btw, http://talk.maemo.org/ is unreachable ? | 13:17 |
| Khertan | so this is really PR1.3 ? with Qt 4.7 ? | 13:17 |
| Venemo_N810 | what, 1.3 has been released for real? | 13:17 |
| Milhouse | becks: yep, as is the meego forum. | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | becks: only mentioned 10 times in the last 5mins | 13:17 |
| becks | timeless_mbp: sorry... | 13:17 |
| tybollt | becks: yeah, the kiddies are probably jizzing their pants over this release | 13:17 |
| becks | tybollt: lol | 13:17 |
| sp3000 | oh just put http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org in the topic already ;) | 13:18 |
| Venemo_N810 | lol | 13:18 |
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| phryk | I wonder what would happen, if google started to completely ignore all icmp packets from one day to the other… | 13:20 |
| ShadowJK | would that be your 20% project at google? | 13:20 |
| phryk | my what? | 13:21 |
| ShadowJK | google employees have one day per week to work on their own random projects | 13:21 |
| phryk | oh god | 13:21 |
| phryk | awesome | 13:22 |
| Khertan | tybollt, http://pastebin.com/K8RAgg2j | 13:22 |
| Venemo_N810 | yeah | 13:22 |
| phryk | one reason more to work for google | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | lol | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | working at Google must suck ass | 13:22 |
| ZogG | i heard there is project googlenet | 13:22 |
| Venemo_N810 | and if it is good enough, it'll be productized | 13:22 |
| phryk | I am thinking about doing that anyways | 13:22 |
| phryk | crashanddie: why that? | 13:22 |
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| ZogG | and googlenoid | 13:22 |
| Venemo_N810 | like gmail | 13:22 |
| phryk | work environment at google is pure awesome | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | Did an interview for them, the only thing they showed me for 2 hours was "Look, FREE CAFETERIA! Look, FREE GYM! Look, FREE BILLIARD! Look, FREE WII!" | 13:23 |
| xnt14 | Is talk.maemo.org down for anyone? | 13:23 |
| crashanddie | When asked if I could see the actual work spaces, they said "Well you'll have plenty of time to see those if you pass the interviews" | 13:23 |
| Venemo_N810 | yes | 13:23 |
| sivang | crashanddie: they asked me mind boogling python question to try and use python as c, not like! | 13:23 |
| phryk | crashanddie: lol | 13:23 |
| Milhouse | xnt14: no works for me, what's the problem? ;-) | 13:23 |
| sivang | xnt14: not for the faint of heart :) | 13:23 |
| ZogG | Khertan i have 11 only | 13:24 |
| Khertan | 11 ? | 13:24 |
| xnt14 | Milhouse, sivang: it gives me "connection reset" | 13:24 |
| ZogG | and dist-upgrade doesn't work of dependies problem or something | 13:24 |
| Khertan | ZogG, ah yes i ve some depandancy problem :) | 13:24 |
| ZogG | Khertan about this one http://pastebin.com/K8RAgg2j | 13:24 |
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| crashanddie | Google these days is more of a sect than a company. | 13:25 |
| Khertan | but this was just to see which package are updated | 13:25 |
| ZogG | Khertan pr1.3? | 13:25 |
| lardman | morning | 13:25 |
| Khertan | ZogG, it seem's | 13:25 |
| Khertan | ZogG, my nit is downloading | 13:26 |
| Khertan | will see | 13:26 |
| Khertan | :) | 13:26 |
| ZogG | i didn't get it yet | 13:26 |
| xnt14 | nevermind, it loaded now. :) | 13:26 |
| Venemo_N810 | is there a changelog? | 13:26 |
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| Termana | crashanddie, like apple? | 13:28 |
| Khertan | lol didn't install ask for pc suite | 13:28 |
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| danielwilms | Venemo_N810: hey, the changelog is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 13:29 |
| Venemo_N810 | danielwilms, thx | 13:30 |
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| lardman | is this OTA? We won't need a specific image/components for the pre-summit devices? | 13:30 |
| Khertan | Youhou ! Qt4.7 | 13:30 |
| Khertan | i got an OTA | 13:31 |
| Khertan | but ask for pcsuite | 13:31 |
| Khertan | i don't want to flash | 13:31 |
| Khertan | so trying to made some place to see | 13:31 |
| lardman | k | 13:31 |
| Venemo_N810 | danielwilms, this is for the sdk, right? | 13:31 |
| Milhouse | getting errors from the Opera repository after the upgrade - 404 not found, so will disable. | 13:35 |
| Venemo_N810 | danielwilms, is there one for the device? | 13:35 |
| ZogG | Milhousecause it changed to pr1.3 from pr1.3 ? | 13:36 |
| danielwilms | Venemo_N810: yep, that's for the SDK | 13:37 |
| Milhouse | yeah, looks like 1-3 has been appended | 13:37 |
| danielwilms | for the device I don't know, but I can try to figure out | 13:37 |
| X-Fade | Interesting new packages added are: dsme-dev dsme-thermalobject-surface libqt4-declarative python-xcbgen qt4-declarative-qmlviewer | 13:38 |
| X-Fade | For SDK that is. | 13:38 |
| Venemo_N810 | hmm | 13:38 |
| Venemo_N810 | well the latter are self-explanatory | 13:39 |
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| Venemo_N810 | but what can one do with dsme-dev | 13:39 |
| Venemo_N810 | ? | 13:39 |
| ZogG | i even don't know what firmware i have i think i got global last update as i flashed | 13:39 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:39 |
| ZogG | but not sure =) | 13:39 |
| * sivang tries to update | 13:39 | |
| sivang | OTA | 13:39 |
| ZogG | no updates here =( | 13:39 |
| sivang | but is only shows me updates for ukeyboards and other | 13:39 |
| sivang | stil checks for updates, takes it a good while | 13:40 |
| ZogG | =( | 13:40 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: indeed, you see people entering google all the time - rarely see anyone leaving... | 13:40 |
| Venemo_N810 | is there a fw file for flashing too? | 13:40 |
| PontusOhman | F*CK! Why can't they do it right from the begining... To update now I need a freaking Winbloat machine :@ | 13:41 |
| sivang | X-Fade: yes, so the nice guys from Helsinki were right. The dsme "docs" got released | 13:41 |
| sivang | or sort of | 13:42 |
| Venemo_N810 | PontusOhman, why? | 13:42 |
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| PontusOhman | Venemo_N810: > Got the update on my phone right now... But when I wanted to update it tells me I need a PC to continue :@ | 13:43 |
| Milhouse | I've posted a message in the Maemo5 thread on the opera forum asking them to add a symlink from http://deb.opera.com/maemo/dists/fremantle-1.3 to http://deb.opera.com/maemo/dists/fremantle which is what they did for PR1.2. Hope they read it soon. | 13:43 |
| ZogG | PontusOhman ерфт игн ЗС =) | 13:43 |
| ZogG | than buy PC =)* | 13:43 |
| Khertan | PontusOhman, same here | 13:43 |
| Venemo_N810 | PontusOhman, that sux | 13:44 |
| PontusOhman | And for us with Linux it's no go | 13:44 |
| jaska | hrm, no fiasco images, guess ill wait then :| | 13:44 |
| Khertan | PontusOhman, i think cleaning root is the answer | 13:44 |
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| Khertan | PontusOhman, but i can't point you on how to do, as the thread explaining how to is on t.m.o which is down | 13:45 |
| PontusOhman | ZogG: что | 13:45 |
| Venemo_N810 | PontusOhman, I agree with Khertan... make room on rootfs | 13:45 |
| visz | i can't see no update | 13:45 |
| visz | atleast no OTA | 13:45 |
| Venemo_N810 | hm | 13:45 |
| Milhouse | visz - what language is your device? | 13:45 |
| visz | finnish | 13:46 |
| Khertan | PontusOhman, remove extra devel if installed | 13:46 |
| visz | well i'm not in a hurry | 13:46 |
| Milhouse | visz: certainly available in the UK (I'm using the Global image). maybe other languages are being rolled out? | 13:47 |
| ZogG | f#k my version is unknow ( | 13:47 |
| Milhouse | anyone know the cause of the "conflicting distribution" warning with PR1.3? | 13:47 |
| X-Fade | ZogG: Just re-install the meta package then. | 13:47 |
| PontusOhman | Khertan: > They are removed ^^ | 13:48 |
| Milhouse | "W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )" | 13:48 |
| ZogG | X-Fade maemo package? | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | Milhouse: Yes. | 13:48 |
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| Milhouse | X-Fade: Do tell :) | 13:48 |
| ZogG | X-Fade trying to unisntall kernel utf and ntfs support | 13:48 |
| ZogG | should nitdroid kernel and kexec do this? | 13:48 |
| Milhouse | X-Fade: Is there a fix? | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | I still need to remove the symlink and properly index the fremantle-1.3 repo. | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | On the server end. | 13:48 |
| Milhouse | X-Fade: aha, ok thanks. will wait patiently. :) | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | Milhouse: Or edit your catalog entry and put fremantle-1.2 in there ;) | 13:49 |
| ZogG | X-Fade are you repo admin ? | 13:49 |
| X-Fade | ZogG: Yes. | 13:50 |
| tybollt | so nokia asked to have TMO downed so as to not spread any gossip about the release, eh? | 13:50 |
| Milhouse | so far pr1.3 does feel snappier - might be just my imagination but opening apps (email, conversations, contacts, xterm) is instant, no delays. | 13:50 |
| tybollt | <-- tin-foil-hat-ON | 13:50 |
| Surfa | Milhouse, so is said | 13:51 |
| tybollt | well | 13:51 |
| ZogG | X-Fade is the package name is mp-freemantle-003-pr and how do i force to reinstall | 13:51 |
| ZogG | ? | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | ZogG: just apt-get install it? | 13:51 |
| tybollt | "speed improvements" is one of those lovely things you can just spout and noboy will be able to quantify it so dumb users everywhere just buys right into it :) | 13:51 |
| X-Fade | tybollt: Well it has a lot less swapping, so it will indeed be faster. | 13:52 |
| Milhouse | emails should open much quicker thanks to the notification icon close bug being squashed (bug 11139) | 13:52 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11139 Long delays in email interface | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | oddly internally we spend a lot of time measuring speed | 13:52 |
| ZogG | X-Fade says it newest one - nothing to do =) | 13:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | pr1.3? | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it OTA yet? | 13:54 |
| Surfa | yes | 13:54 |
| Milhouse | waiting for browserd to wake up still means first page load in microb is sloooow. one reason why I prefer Opera, but then when I hit a page with flash (eg. BBC News) I hancker for microb. I wish that could be fixed, it really lets microb down badly. | 13:54 |
| Milhouse | SpeedEvil: Yes, at least for English/Global | 13:54 |
| ZogG | damn and i have unknown version at all =( | 13:55 |
| jacekowski | ~pr1.3 | 13:55 |
| infobot | STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever | 13:55 |
| ZogG | damn | 13:55 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders what customisation he has that would be wiped out. | 13:55 | |
| ZogG | <jacekowski> ~pr1.3 //selfban? | 13:55 |
| Venemo_N810 | lol | 13:57 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: Pondering flashing? | 13:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | tybollt: something like that | 13:58 |
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| tybollt | http://thenokiablog.com/2010/10/13/nokia-n900-pr13-dual-boot-meego/ | 14:01 |
| tybollt | so | 14:01 |
| tybollt | what is a 'meego developer'? | 14:01 |
| tybollt | user -> sign nda -> meego developer? | 14:01 |
| sivang | nda? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | what ndas? | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:01 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: :) | 14:02 |
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| tybollt | so again, what makes one a meego developer then? | 14:02 |
| sivang | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/280347/ | 14:02 |
| sivang | anyone has a clue? | 14:02 |
| Vertig0 | A developer that develops meego, tybollt? | 14:02 |
| sivang | tybollt: the fact he gets commit access to b.m.c ? | 14:02 |
| Milhouse | tybolt: anyone capable of downloading a file, copying to a microsd and running flasher to boot their device. | 14:02 |
| Milhouse | tybolt: I think it's meant in the broadest sense | 14:03 |
| tybollt | yeah | 14:03 |
| ccooke | So... In lieu of t.m.o, is there a changelog or such document for pr1.3 yet? | 14:03 |
| tybollt | should be | 14:03 |
| ccooke | (or any feedback at all?) | 14:03 |
| Milhouse | ccooke: not yet. | 14:03 |
| ccooke | Milhouse: cheers | 14:03 |
| * RST38h still thinks that to qualify as "enabling meego boot", PR1.3 should have contained a runtime selection, even via a key held during bootup | 14:03 | |
| Milhouse | ccooke: seems quicker, so claims of "performance improvements" seem genuine, at least so far! :) | 14:03 |
| RST38h | Nobody is going to be pulling/inserting SD cards on the permanent basis | 14:04 |
| Milhouse | RST38h - would have been nice, very slick and garned some kudos too. | 14:04 |
| tybollt | Milhouse: how did you quantify that? Before and after results using microb? | 14:04 |
| tybollt | Milhouse: what scripts are you using what apps do you have installed... etc etc :) | 14:04 |
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| sivang | 1.3 downlaoind over the air | 14:04 |
| * sivang goes to lunch | 14:04 | |
| Milhouse | RST38h - I don't pull my card, I just dd to it while it remains in the device. | 14:04 |
| RST38h | Is there a changelist somewhere? | 14:04 |
| tybollt | RST38h: apparently "andre is working on it"... is all I got | 14:05 |
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| RST38h | mghm | 14:05 |
| Milhouse | tybollt: yep, it "feels" quicker. My most often used apps (email, conversations, contacts) now start up "super quick" (c) Steve Jobs | 14:05 |
| andre__ | aha? | 14:06 |
| tybollt | Milhouse: Wow, some proof you got there :) | 14:06 |
| Milhouse | tybolt: hey, go do your scientific tests yourself. I've only had it 30 minutes. | 14:06 |
| crashanddie | woop de fucking woop. "It feels faster" | 14:06 |
| tybollt | :) | 14:07 |
| crashanddie | Maybe Nokia should release a placebo PR every month, and in 6 months, the N900 will be faster than a quad core xeon. | 14:07 |
| Milhouse | crashanddie: surely that's all that fcking matters? | 14:07 |
| Appiah | :D | 14:07 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: :-D | 14:07 |
| Milhouse | crashanddie: I'll wait patiently for your in depth and scientific testing. When can we expect it? | 14:08 |
| Venemo_N810 | crashanddie, yeah | 14:08 |
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| ccooke | Milhouse: how's about the indication that we'd be able to dual-boot meego? | 14:08 |
| crashanddie | Nokia PM: "OK, The files have been updated, send out the PR!" Nokia engineer 1: "So what exactly did we change?" Nokia engineer 2: "The file last modified date timestamp" | 14:08 |
| VladNistor-of | just got the OTA in Romania, but i need to wait until I get home. I also need to uninstall M-AG's modest to be able to upgrade. | 14:08 |
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| RST38h | crashanddie: you perfectly well know that Nokia cannot release a PR every month | 14:08 |
| Milhouse | ccooke: what indication? it was all a misunderstanding. | 14:08 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: It has to go through several layers of testing, certificaiotn, and approval | 14:08 |
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| ccooke | Milhouse: I was expecting that :-) | 14:08 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: Very important business, that PR is... | 14:09 |
| crashanddie | RST38h, QA scripts for "touch"? | 14:09 |
| Shapeshifter | oh lol | 14:09 |
| Shapeshifter | didn't expect this | 14:09 |
| sivang | anybody has an idea, shout | 14:09 |
| kke | any ideas how to separate music from audiobooks/application sound files in n900 mediaplayer? it's annoying to hear some navigation software "turn left at the next intersection after 300 meters"-stuff in middle of music | 14:09 |
| kke | and parts of audiobooks | 14:09 |
| sivang | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/280347/ | 14:09 |
| tybollt | Milhouse: he didn't assert it is faster - YOU asserted it is faster indeed, so either you put up or shut up :-) | 14:09 |
| sivang | or rather, why would this have changed since last upgradE? | 14:09 |
| Shapeshifter | so I assume I don't have to take any precautions for this PR as it doesn't do much? | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | Milhouse, I don't really care about it. I'm just amazed at the plethora of "it feels faster/snappier", when really, it's just thanks to a reboot for most users who had it on for the past couple months or so. | 14:10 |
| Milhouse | tybollt: Someone asked MY opinion!!! Jeezz.... tough crowd. | 14:10 |
| Milhouse | crashanddie: I've been rebooting/starting apps long enough to know if they're "feel" quicker | 14:10 |
| Milhouse | crashanddie: Sorry I don't have the nanosecond timing that you crave | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | Milhouse, and it really isn't against you, just the general communities (be it Maemo, Android or iOS) doing exactly the same thing for every update. | 14:10 |
| SpeedEvil | kke: exclude from search | 14:11 |
| Venemo_N810 | kke, try to separate them by metadata... eg, album, artist, etc | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | kke: See... | 14:11 |
| Milhouse | it was a snapshot opinion, what more do you expect for something that has only been available a few hours? blimey. | 14:11 |
| SpeedEvil | kke: ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg | 14:11 |
| * alterego sighs | 14:11 | |
| kke | SpeedEvil: hmm ok cool | 14:11 |
| crashanddie | Milhouse, how about we just let this boat float away silently? :) | 14:11 |
| alterego | I juss wanna firmware image. | 14:11 |
| Milhouse | crashanddie: agreed. :) | 14:12 |
| SpeedEvil | kke: exclude the dirs they are in | 14:12 |
| tybollt | Milhouse: that's picosecond to you... | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, femtoseconds? | 14:12 |
| Venemo_N810 | alterego: no image on tablets-dev? | 14:12 |
| Milhouse | venomo: not yet | 14:12 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, or maybe even zeptoseconds? | 14:12 |
| tybollt | heh | 14:13 |
| alterego | Nope | 14:13 |
| nidO | am I actually reading this right that the ota image needs 84.5mb of rootfs space? | 14:13 |
| Milhouse | nid0: sounds about right - mine was 84.3MB | 14:13 |
| Venemo_N810 | nidO, if that is the case, then lol | 14:13 |
| tybollt | but yeah, what crashie says... it's the general "zOMG this is so much faster thatn $PRIOR_RELEASE" w/out ever actually verifying that... | 14:13 |
| ZogG | my version is unknown and reisntalling mp-fremantle-003-pr didn't help here | 14:14 |
| Shapeshifter | meh | 14:14 |
| nidO | Venemo_N810, yeah thats the lol i've run up against, app manager is telling me to fo and use pc suite :\ | 14:14 |
| Venemo_N810 | nidO, or make enough room on rootfs | 14:14 |
| Shapeshifter | damn | 14:14 |
| nidO | 74mb free atm, to my knowledge even a fresh flash is only a couple of mb more than that | 14:15 |
| Shapeshifter | where am I supposed to dig up 20mb of root space... /me disables -devel | 14:15 |
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| alterego | And tmo is still screwed | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | Milhouse: Can you see if updating Extras now works without the warning? | 14:15 |
| X-Fade | Milhouse: Should be fixed now. | 14:15 |
| Venemo_N810 | see the various moveroot scripts or uninstall -devel stuff | 14:15 |
| nidO | see my comment re a fresh flash. this update cant expect more rootfs space than a clean install provides without having to move shit, surely | 14:16 |
| RST38h | Let us wait for 7+ days and see if the performance degradation is there yet | 14:16 |
| RST38h | If the device still becomes dead slow in 7 days.... Well you know... | 14:17 |
| Milhouse | X-Fade: Verified fixed, many thanks! That was quick, although I don't have any accurate timings to verify this blah blah. ;) | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | now | 14:17 |
| X-Fade | Milhouse: It is just one of those todo items on a release day ;) | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | if this doesn't do anything, why should I be bothered with updating even. | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | and moving stuff | 14:17 |
| Shapeshifter | silly update... | 14:17 |
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| Milhouse | Shapreshifter: emails open quicker (and provably so!) :) | 14:18 |
| X-Fade | Qt 4.7 is the big change. | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | mh :| | 14:18 |
| Venemo_N810 | qt 4.7 rulz | 14:18 |
| Milhouse | I'll just go install alt of those wonderous Qt 4.7 apps... oh. | 14:18 |
| Shapeshifter | I always had some 65mb free, now it's 55 for some reason after a reboot. lame. and disabling -devel didn't do anything | 14:19 |
| jacekowski | hmm, it looks like camera flash is brighter during flash than during any other operation | 14:19 |
| ZogG | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com would be down if everyone checksif TMO is down? | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: that's because it is | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Of course. There is flash and flash light mode. | 14:19 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: Flash is 250mA, flashlight is 50mA or so ;) | 14:20 |
| Venemo_N810 | lol | 14:20 |
| Shapeshifter | ;_; | 14:20 |
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| xkr47 | PR1.3 ? | 14:22 |
| dolp | mmm.. should 1.3 be at tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php? | 14:22 |
| Milhouse | xrk47: yes, it's out | 14:22 |
| Milhouse | dolp: yes, eventually | 14:23 |
| xkr47 | \o/ | 14:23 |
| andre__ | dolp: always takes longer | 14:23 |
| Venemo_N810 | dolp, notyet | 14:23 |
| dolp | oh ok.. how much longer? :) | 14:23 |
| dolp | hours? days? weeks? | 14:23 |
| toggles | 10 mins, it's uploading | 14:23 |
| tybollt | woot, I just got it OTA | 14:23 |
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| Shapeshifter | argh dpkg | 14:23 |
| Shapeshifter | why so complicated... | 14:23 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: dun worry lad, it' | 14:24 |
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| erani | isn't this upgrade 20.2010.36-2 just pr1.2 update? | 14:24 |
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| tybollt | Shapeshifter: dun worry lad, it'll soon be rpm and yum all around (goes to the corner to vomit) | 14:24 |
| Venemo_N810 | erani, no | 14:24 |
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| Venemo_N810 | tybollt, rpm yes, yum no | 14:24 |
| jacekowski | is it OTA for UK? | 14:24 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: I don't know rpm but by now I doubt it's worse than apt... | 14:24 |
| Shapeshifter | /deb | 14:24 |
| Milhouse | jacekowski: yep, got it here in south london | 14:24 |
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| erani | i'm in finland and my phone just notified of the fw upgrade | 14:25 |
| Milhouse | jaceokowski: mind you, i picked it up over WiFi | 14:25 |
| lardman | yeah also downloading here in Bath | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | lardman: I hope you have accidental damage insurance. | 14:25 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: ;) | 14:25 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: You will learn how indeed it CAN be worse, a great fucking deal worse, than apt/deb :-) | 14:25 |
| alterego | fff, I might just do OTA | 14:26 |
| alterego | I don't wanna though :( | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I doubt OTA will work for many, due to the reported stupid space needed | 14:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:26 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: really? Like in debians packaging files (which there are many of) the syntax needs to be spot-on, like "two spaces at the beginning of that line or else I'll screw your dog" | 14:26 |
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| tybollt | Venemo_N810: ah pardon me then, I suppose moblin invented their own whee... wrapper for rpm then? | 14:26 |
| Shapeshifter | and there's a billion files involved in making the simplest of packages | 14:26 |
| lardman | hmm, I've got a Summary saying it requires PC Suite, and conflicts with libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img | 14:27 |
| Milhouse | SpeedEvil: Worked fine for me, but then I don't have that much cr@p on my device. :) | 14:27 |
| RST38h | What? Another wrapper? | 14:27 |
| Shapeshifter | and then there's all those completely superfluous states like "installed but not configured" | 14:27 |
| Venemo_N810 | tybollt, I dunno, Stskeeps told me it's not yum | 14:27 |
| tybollt | RST38h: you tell me? :S | 14:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: Should nto require PC Suite | 14:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: But you better get rid of those libs | 14:27 |
| lardman | RST38h: just what the update summary says in HAM | 14:27 |
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| * RST38h probably connected via US-based network proxy, still no update here | 14:27 | |
| RST38h | lardman: try apt-get | 14:28 |
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| Shapeshifter | tybollt: so, how would I go about finding out which packages I installed came from extras-devel? | 14:28 |
| tybollt | ehr... ask RST, he's the expert :) | 14:28 |
| tybollt | but I suppose dpkg -l some some could tell you? | 14:29 |
| toggles | dammit... qtlocation.. | 14:29 |
| lardman | ok, so removing libqt4-test removes python2.5-qt4 | 14:29 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: no. packages usually don't know where they come from | 14:29 |
| lardman | no worries there really | 14:29 |
| Venemo_N810 | why not just remove it? | 14:29 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: fair enough, then I've no idea. | 14:30 |
| lardman | and CloudGPS pulled in the libgles1 dep | 14:30 |
| nidO | brain party also uses libgles1 | 14:30 |
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| vdv | does anybody use claws mail? is it possible to hide from tasklist, but still receive mails? has it daemon? | 14:30 |
| RST38h | no | 14:31 |
| tybollt | to be perfectly honest I didnt even restore my backup onto my device after getting it back from the shop... | 14:31 |
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| tybollt | oh and the beauty of it is I just started a new gig so I get new phone numbers en masse... so doing the backup restoration thing will mean effectively merging phonebooks | 14:31 |
| tybollt | oh sweet baby jeebus :-| | 14:32 |
| Venemo_N810 | hehe | 14:32 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: well do you know how to list all packages in a repo? | 14:32 |
| xkr47 | "Maemo 5 - Download now via WLAN to get the latest" ... WLAN ? :) | 14:33 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: For *deb based distros that is always provided as a list on http someplace.. (google -> ubuntu deb repo for instance)... so I'm guessing maemo.org provides some similar | 14:34 |
| Venemo_N810 | ask X-Fade | 14:34 |
| Shapeshifter | ._. | 14:34 |
| asj__ | xkr47: ? | 14:35 |
| ZogG | got update | 14:35 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: have you used any other package managers for linux before? | 14:35 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm usually with apt it keeps a list of the contents in a repo or the repo site | 14:35 |
| xkr47 | that was the comment for the update.. | 14:35 |
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| tybollt | Shapeshifter: what point are you making? :) | 14:35 |
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| Milhouse | xkr47: WLAN == WiFi | 14:36 |
| xkr47 | are they saying "WLAN" to avoid people accidentally updating via 3G | 14:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | yea | 14:36 |
| xkr47 | I prefer USB networking ;-) | 14:36 |
| lardman | ~curse HAM for its stupid "Operation is in progress please wait" messages without any visible activity indication | 14:36 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, HAM for its stupid "Operation is in progress please wait" messages without any visible activity indication ! | 14:36 |
| xkr47 | it should be installed by default | 14:36 |
| asj__ | xkr47: moving 86megs over 3g might be bad for some people | 14:36 |
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| Shapeshifter | tybollt: if it had aptitude, I could do something like sudo aptitude search "?origin (<repository>) ?installed" | 14:36 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: if you want me to rain on your parade and list each and everyone of the EPIC FAILs in yum, sure I'll do it. | 14:36 |
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| RobbieThe1st | You guys actually -use- the app manager? Ouch. | 14:37 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: yes please, because I don't know anything about it | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 14:37 |
| lardman | RobbieThe1st: only when I have time to waste | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | UK - no update found | 14:37 |
| RobbieThe1st | Between apt-get and (occasionally) FAM/// | 14:37 |
| Milhouse | RobbieThe1st: Not if I can help it. | 14:37 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: Hmm good point, so aptitude isn't ported then? | 14:37 |
| * SpeedEvil checks version. | 14:37 | |
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| RobbieThe1st | "sudo gainroot", "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get install app". Some of the most time-saving commands imaginable | 14:37 |
| nidO | update's finally going for me after clearing out libgles1-sgx-img | 14:37 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil: ORLY? Even we in .se have got it OTA now... | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | update in app-manager, and I get nuffink | 14:38 |
| lardman | SpeedEvil: Works for me | 14:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | Bye all | 14:38 |
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| jacekowski | nothing here | 14:38 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: nah. I'd really just need a list of all packages, I'm looking for that html atm, because then I could do cat the-list | grep $(dpkg -l | awk -F '\t' '{print $2}') | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | no update for uk | 14:38 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: nah. I'd really just need a list of all packages, I'm looking for that html atm, because then I could do cat the-list | grep $(dpkg -l | awk -F ' ' '{print $2}') actually | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | ~rant nokia | 14:38 |
| lardman | jacekowski: works for me | 14:38 |
| th3hate | i got libqtm updates in app manager from nokia software update catelog, but they coflict with every qt 4.6 package, how do i install them? | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | lardman: do you have UK firmware? | 14:38 |
| jacekowski | lardman: or global? | 14:38 |
| lardman | UK afaik | 14:38 |
| lardman | but then again it's a pre-summit device, so who knows | 14:39 |
| RST38h | lardman: You haven't returned yours yet? | 14:39 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: again... it seems highly reasonable to probide it via html, certainly seeing as ubuntu and debian does so. | 14:40 |
| lardman | RST38h: I asked if I could keep it to keep working on and was told yes | 14:40 |
| lardman | RST38h: I didn't pick up one at the summit | 14:40 |
| Venemo_N810 | lardman, what are you working on? | 14:40 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ can't find it :| I'd need to extract the Packages.gz | 14:40 |
| lardman | mBarcode | 14:40 |
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| Milhouse | Now on Nokia Conversations, but doesn't say anything we didn't already know: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ | 14:40 |
| RST38h | lardman: Same here | 14:40 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: but then I'm just as far as apt-cache dumpavail | 14:40 |
| RST38h | lardman: Mine went to the next guy though, I bought myself a new one | 14:41 |
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| ZogG | anyone had problem with python2.5-minimal and pymaemo-optify? | 14:41 |
| RST38h | pymaemo-optify sucks. | 14:41 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: and apt-cache doesn't take a repo argument | 14:41 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: or at least I don't see one | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | it doesn't | 14:42 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: do you know how to list all packages that reside in a repo? | 14:42 |
| RST38h | it should show repository names during dumpavail though | 14:42 |
| ZogG | RST38h yes, can't upgrade cause of it | 14:42 |
| RST38h | ZogG: Remove all Python packages. | 14:43 |
| Shapeshifter | RST38h: doesn't | 14:43 |
| ZogG | RST38h, it would remove a lot of stuff i use and need and love =) | 14:43 |
| erani | the "Brilliant just got better" link in maemo.nokia.com site takes the user to the older news from May... | 14:43 |
| erani | nothing big but just mentioned :o | 14:43 |
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| PontusOhman | Epic Fail on Nokia just now... The update manager in my phone tells me to hock up my phone to a Windows PC with Nokia PC Suite! Nokia PC Suite isn't compatible with N900 :@ | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | or use flasher | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, apt-cache something | 14:46 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: orly | 14:47 |
| PontusOhman | Stskeeps: Have they released it as a flash? | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, apt-cache pkgnames | 14:47 |
| lardman | hmm, slightly worrying my screen has gone black | 14:47 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: excuse me? | 14:47 |
| tybollt | PontusOhman: Ovi suite is | 14:47 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: My question was, how I could list all packages that are available in extras-devel | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | sigh | 14:47 |
| RST38h | Shapeshifter: packrat | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman, Once you go black, there's no way back. | 14:47 |
| PontusOhman | tybollt: > Yeah, on Winbloat ^^ | 14:48 |
| ZogG | so how can i fix this python thing without actually removing all python apps? | 14:48 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: :-D | 14:48 |
| lardman | crashanddie: is it doing something in the bg then? | 14:48 |
| RST38h | Just remove Python and all Python apps | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-cache stats Shapeshifter | 14:48 |
| lardman | or are you taking the mick? :) | 14:48 |
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| ZogG | RST38h =( | 14:49 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: what do you mean? that just prints stats. I mean a *list* of one package name per line, listing all packages | 14:49 |
| _davidx_ | Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? | 14:49 |
| PontusOhman | Stskeeps: > No flashfile here. http://tablets-dev.[D[D[D[D[Dnokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 14:49 |
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| tybollt | gahahaha | 14:49 |
| tybollt | please someone KB _davidx_, obvious spambot :-) | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, dude, i already answered that | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-cache pkgnames | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | dpkg -l | 14:50 |
| _davidx_ | are you sure i'm a spambot? | 14:50 |
| tybollt | crashie? | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, he asked for all packages in the repo, not the ones installed :) | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 14:50 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: but that lists *all* packages, not just those of a given repo | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | install all packages | 14:50 |
| crashanddie | _davidx_, identify yourself | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, disable other repos | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | don't know any other way | 14:51 |
| _davidx_ | i'm a person | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | umm, sec | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, he's australian | 14:51 |
| _davidx_ | i'm actually a bot designed to pass the turing test | 14:51 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, might be a bit weird | 14:51 |
| _davidx_ | am I passing? | 14:51 |
| erani | OTA update successful here o/ from quick walkthrough it seems that OS and transistions speeds have increased greatly... | 14:51 |
| Stskeeps | _davidx_: with your sentence above you did not | 14:51 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: fair enough... | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | _davidx_: your post didn't look like, so prove | 14:51 |
| _davidx_ | prove what? | 14:51 |
| _davidx_ | that i'm not a spambot? | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, god enough for me :-D | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | good* | 14:52 |
| _davidx_ | it better be | 14:52 |
| lardman | Can someone who has applied the OTA update tell me if you get a black screen, and if so how long does it last for before rebooting? | 14:52 |
| crashanddie | _davidx_, "it better be"? | 14:52 |
| tybollt | what's $DEITY to do w/ this doc? :P | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, Nokia-N900:/opt/var/lib/apt/lists# cat repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages | grep Package | grep -v Packaged | sed s/Package\:\ //g | 14:52 |
| _davidx_ | it better be "good enough". | 14:52 |
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| erani | crashanddie: didn't last long. the whole update took 15min and reboot for about ~15-20sec | 14:53 |
| crashanddie | this is good enough for me too, bitch | 14:53 |
| tybollt | ,-D | 14:53 |
| erani | lardman: i mean | 14:53 |
| erani | -.- | 14:53 |
| lardman | erani: did you have a working screen throughout? | 14:53 |
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| erani | no, when the update process began the screen locked and I used the slider to unlock to see the progress bar | 14:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | hohohoh | 14:54 |
| lardman | ah, perhaps that's it | 14:54 |
| lardman | phew, thanks | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | monday morning madness? | 14:54 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: got to be something to take away the pain of a Monday ;) | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, got what you wanted? :) | 14:54 |
| sivang | mine told me there's not enough battery for the upgrade | 14:54 |
| sivang | that's nice | 14:55 |
| * sivang will plug into the wallet and retry | 14:55 | |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: thanks! | 14:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: was this really necessary? | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 14:55 |
| Milhouse | Bless him, finally Peter the marketing bloke gets around to spreading the word... http://twitter.com/#!/PeterMeeGo/status/28682507212 | 14:56 |
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| Milhouse | If this were Google or Apple, they'd have been spinning this for weeks already. | 14:56 |
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| erani | oh, nice to see that all contacts' portrait photos got better resolution back again :) with 1.2 they somehow blurred after syncing with FB && merge | 14:56 |
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| Scelt | erani: so you got OTA update already? | 14:57 |
| alterego | Probably tweeting because he can't access tmo :) | 14:57 |
| erani | Scelt: yeah | 14:57 |
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| alterego | It's on nokia conversations now too. | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | OTA what? | 14:57 |
| tybollt | Milhouse: You've to consider that Nokia don't really want or care for N900... it's like the cinderella of mobile phones... | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | pr1.3 came out? | 14:57 |
| Scelt | erani: what operator? | 14:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | wait is this pr1.3? | 14:57 |
| erani | all menus and calendars work now without glitching or slowing down \o/ yay | 14:57 |
| erani | calendar* | 14:58 |
| * tybollt tilts MohammadAG51 w/ frals | 14:58 | |
| erani | Scelt: elisa @ FI | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | erani, what update | 14:58 |
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| Scelt | erani: I have saunalahti so I think I should get it too | 14:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | pr1.3 better not come out | 14:58 |
| tybollt | why not? | 14:58 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Already did. | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: who said fremantle was dead ;) | 14:59 |
| Scelt | erani: did you do any changes or just updated thru app manager? | 15:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, sorry about #meego lol | 15:00 |
| erani | MohammadAG51: 20.2010.36-2 was the codename, it seems that it is the pr 1.3 update yeah. maemo.nokia.com has the news too | 15:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, Qt 4.7 has a bug, I hope it isn't there in... | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | wtf | 15:00 |
| erani | Scelt: just backed up everything and updated via app manager | 15:00 |
| Scelt | erani: odd, I see no trace about pr1.34 | 15:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | 36-2 is the leaked testing image | 15:00 |
| Scelt | -4 | 15:00 |
| erani | MohammadAG51: -.o' | 15:01 |
| erani | got it via official repos though | 15:01 |
| kerio | oh shit i can't upgrade :< | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, but it has bugs | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | erani, install psfreedom | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | tap title bar | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | click kernel messages | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: 20100909. | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | if it shows black text on black bg, it still has the bug | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, ? | 15:02 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: That is the git snapshot. | 15:02 |
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| Khertan | humm ... style warn about installing via nokia update | 15:03 |
| Khertan | grrr | 15:03 |
| sivang | what's that dreadful parameter to the kernel to allow sb qemu to run? | 15:03 |
| Khertan | need more rootfs space | 15:03 |
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| lardman | hmm, well it's certainly running quite snappily | 15:04 |
| toggles | man, that was an easy flsh | 15:04 |
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| secyritas | hmph, app manager does not offer pr1.3 for leaked img | 15:04 |
| erani | oooooh, media player works in portrait. gonna love that @ school | 15:04 |
| Scelt | erani: I see it now. fapman failed to see it before | 15:04 |
| totalizator | hi, why I can't install binary-only packages for diablo4.1.2_armel in scrathbox? http://pastebin.com/ivJxf8J4 | 15:05 |
| lardman | sivang: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled ? | 15:06 |
| lardman | sivang: there's another if it's not exposed there | 15:06 |
| sivang | lardman: thanks | 15:06 |
| Scelt | damn, memory errors again with OTA | 15:07 |
| erani | oh well, the portraid media player was a bug anyways... managed to enjoy 1min of it =) | 15:07 |
| Scelt | memory full I mean | 15:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | mhhhhh. something is wrong with the n900's grep. This: should print the line: echo "asdf lol bar" | grep -F "$(echo 'foo'; echo 'bar')" but it doesn't. | 15:07 |
| PontusOhman | The question is now: How to update if you can't update thru the phone because you need Winbl0at =/ And no flasher file is out yet :( | 15:07 |
| Shapeshifter | so grep -F is broken. | 15:07 |
| lardman | sivang: sudo sysctl vm.vdso_enabled=0 | 15:07 |
| lardman | iirc | 15:07 |
| nidO | PontusOhman: free root space, remove conflicting software | 15:08 |
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| toggles | anyone know if they fixed the swap issue? | 15:09 |
| Scelt | erani: how much free on root fs? I have 65 MB | 15:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: busybox tools are not gnu | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: messybox grep | 15:10 |
| Shapeshifter | ah right. | 15:10 |
| tybollt | Ok | 15:10 |
| tybollt | so 1.3 is there on my device | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~messybox | 15:10 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 15:10 |
| tybollt | I'm a wee bit dsimayed there are no pink dancing unicorns or anything... nokia - you could've done so much better :( | 15:11 |
| Khertan | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <-- still not available | 15:11 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh. where did bash get installed, even? | 15:11 |
| Shapeshifter | I have it installed but /bin/bash is busybox | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 15:11 |
| PontusOhman | nidO: > The darn update manager tells me to plug my phone into a Winbl0at PC using Nokia PC Suite O_O | 15:11 |
| Khertan | PontusOhman, :) | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ll | 15:12 |
| PontusOhman | That's epic Fail | 15:12 |
| nidO | PontusOhman: yep, means you either have too little rootfs space, or a conflicting package | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lol even | 15:12 |
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| nidO | 2 of which were identified here a little while ago | 15:12 |
| nidO | have you checked to ensure you have neither installed? | 15:12 |
| Scelt | nidO: which ones? | 15:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | is there a way to suppress the usb dialog? | 15:12 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51++ I'd like that too | 15:12 |
| nidO | libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img | 15:12 |
| tybollt | </AOL user> | 15:12 |
| PontusOhman | it'sthe libqt4 test.... | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | USB dialog? | 15:13 |
| mece | MohammadAG51, pingelypong | 15:13 |
| mece | hey | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | mass storage/pc suite DocScrutinizer | 15:14 |
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| erani | Scelt: how do i check it | 15:14 |
| PontusOhman | Ahaa! The Healthcheck was the enemy :p | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r g_nokia, someting along that line? | 15:14 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG51, remove the module :) | 15:14 |
| Scelt | erani: df -h in terminal for example | 15:15 |
| tybollt | ie the FUCKING annoying dialog that always pops up when you least need/want it :) | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, i need g_nokia | 15:15 |
| Scelt | erani: df -h | grep -i rootfs | 15:15 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG51, are you sure ? | 15:15 |
| mece | new versions of qt mobility it seems too. nice. | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 15:16 |
| visz | is there an app to copy clipboard content from n900 to desktop pc (linux)? | 15:16 |
| erani | Scelt: 84mb free | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | actually | 15:16 |
| Scelt | erani: ok, thx | 15:16 |
| visz | or should i do some xsel magic? | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | no, i don't need it | 15:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's actually removed | 15:16 |
| Scelt | I try to remove libqt4-test first | 15:16 |
| visz | would be useful for barcode purposes | 15:16 |
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| Khertan | MohammadAG51, i ve a conflict with the hildon-desktop package you have made | 15:17 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG51, and pr1.3 any idea on how to remove it ? :) | 15:17 |
| sivang | anyone else have trouble upgrading Scratchbox? | 15:17 |
| mece | Khertan, reinstall original from repos | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 15:18 |
| PontusOhman | BBL :) | 15:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | mece, right, but what's the version number :P | 15:18 |
| mece | doh.. | 15:18 |
| mece | wait I'll check | 15:18 |
| Khertan | it s on the nokia repository ... cannot browse it | 15:18 |
| Khertan | 403 | 15:18 |
| Khertan | grrr | 15:18 |
| mece | hildon-desktop2.2.140-1+0m5 | 15:19 |
| mece | I believe | 15:19 |
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| MohammadAG51 | 1:2.2.138-1+0m5 | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | apt-get install hildon-desktop=1:2.2.138-1+0m5 Khertan | 15:19 |
| mece | oh.. ok then | 15:19 |
| mece | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-desktop/ here is .140 | 15:20 |
| mece | you need a backslash before the + btw. | 15:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe, pr1.3? nevermind, I did apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr, so seems it doesn't pester me :-P | 15:20 |
| Shapeshifter | but wait. dpkg -L bash3 tells me /bin/bash is bash, yet grep -F is still broken in that bash. | 15:21 |
| Khertan | hildon-desktop is already the newest version. | 15:21 |
| Khertan | lol | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | lol | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | Khertan, --reinstall | 15:21 |
| SpeedEvil | grep is not a bash internal | 15:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, install grep-gnu | 15:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 15:21 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: thanks | 15:21 |
| Khertan | Reinstallation of hildon-desktop is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. | 15:21 |
| Khertan | mouarf | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: WFM | 15:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol? | 15:22 |
| mece | Khertan: try this: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb | 15:22 |
| Khertan | it doesn't try to download it | 15:22 |
| mece | dpkg -i | 15:22 |
| mece | :) | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: PATH=/usr/bin/gnu:$PATH | 15:22 |
| Khertan | tgx | 15:23 |
| Khertan | mece, thx | 15:23 |
| Khertan | reinstalled :) | 15:23 |
| Khertan | let see if it s works now | 15:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Khertan, maybe you had my package pinned? rm /etc/apt/preferences | 15:24 |
| Khertan | already done :) | 15:24 |
| Khertan | was pinned | 15:24 |
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| Khertan | but i ve remove the pref before asking to you :) | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | ah | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | k | 15:25 |
| Khertan | roh an other conflict | 15:25 |
| Khertan | libqt4-test | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | dpkg -r it | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | it conflicts with the leaked image | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | actually, it no longer does... | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | weird | 15:26 |
| Khertan | it does | 15:26 |
| erani | oh well, the image gallery performance is still a slight disappointment... i usually have a large portion of images with me and it's quite laggy -.o' | 15:26 |
| Khertan | i m trying to upgrade ota | 15:26 |
| Khertan | with a pr1.2 | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | erani, gtk, sadly | 15:26 |
| Khertan | s/with/from | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'm on 1.3 (leaked) | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | now it installs | 15:27 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: can haz QT apps? :'( | 15:27 |
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| Khertan | arg ... removing libqt4-test will remove python2.5-qt4 | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | Khertan, right, that's the one that conflicts | 15:28 |
| erani | wonder if the qt versions will be ported to n900 too when they are ready... | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | python2.5-qt4 | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | no Qt versions afaik | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | unless someone makes one | 15:28 |
| erani | you mean of the official nokia software? | 15:28 |
| alterego | Right, laptop now has ubuntu 10.10 on it .. | 15:29 |
| felipec | hmm, so PR1.3 can't be updated OTA? | 15:29 |
| erani | felipec: it can | 15:29 |
| alterego | Well, it can | 15:29 |
| Khertan | felipec, but remove python2.5-qt4 ... | 15:29 |
| Shapeshifter | meh, my masterplan has failed | 15:29 |
| tybollt | so any idea what specific new featuers 1.3 brings to the table? | 15:29 |
| Khertan | tybollt, bug fixes | 15:29 |
| tybollt | other than the highly fuzzy "it's faster" | 15:29 |
| tybollt | Khertan: shrug... olrit | 15:30 |
| tybollt | e | 15:30 |
| Shapeshifter | wget -q -O - http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages | grep "Package: " | awk '{print $2}' | /usr/bin/gnu/grep -F "$(dpkg -l | awk -F ' ' '{print $2}')" was supposed to list all packages installed which are in extras-devel but there's the problem that many packages are in extras-devel but *also* in extras. | 15:30 |
| Shapeshifter | so complicated. | 15:30 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: There you go, I told ya! | 15:30 |
| tybollt | \o/ | 15:30 |
| Shapeshifter | pacman -Sl community | grep "$(pacman -Q | awk '{print $2}')" | 15:30 |
| SpeedEvil | remove all packages in extras-devel | 15:31 |
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| Flyser__ | Hey. is it possible to update to PR 1.3 using Linux (so no nokia suite) and _without_ reflashing the whole thing using nokia flasher? | 15:31 |
| felipec | erani: Khertan: ok, I'll try that once this slow backing app finishes | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | no | 15:31 |
| Flyser__ | MohammadAG51: was that the answer to my question? | 15:32 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yes | 15:32 |
| Shapeshifter | so, if I have made a backup (which also saves the currently installed apps), and I uninstall some applications now to free some space, and then update the PR, and then restore the backup, all the applications should be reinstalled, right? | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 15:32 |
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| Flyser__ | too bad :-( | 15:32 |
| mece | Flyser__: you can update with apt-get or app manager I suppose :) | 15:32 |
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| mece | downloading 84Mb... yawn | 15:33 |
| mece | perhaps I should have gone wlan before I did this | 15:33 |
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| erani | =) | 15:34 |
| mece | oh damn, nevermind this is really fast! | 15:34 |
| mece | 25% done now.. | 15:34 |
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| Flyser__ | mece: does that actually work? | 15:34 |
| Shapeshifter | dear I just hope meego wont be as broken as maemo. | 15:34 |
| Scelt | Shapeshifter: it won't. Much more broken :-D | 15:34 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: Well duuuh, it's linux - OF COURSe it'll be... | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: exactly | 15:34 |
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| Khertan | Shapeshifter, there is nothing broken on maemo | 15:35 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: what's that supposed to mean | 15:35 |
| mece | Flyser__, well I'm installing now, we'll see. | 15:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | Anyone else in the UK not seeing the update? | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 15:35 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: busybox, crippled gnu-tools, totally messed up mounting/partitioning | 15:35 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, take a look in details to see if there is no package conflict | 15:35 |
| Shapeshifter | no man pages by default | 15:35 |
| erani | Shapeshifter: what do you mean by "broken os" | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: me, but I'm not UK | 15:35 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, one point :) | 15:35 |
| tybollt | agreed | 15:35 |
| tybollt | the man page bit is a bastard | 15:36 |
| Khertan | except for man :) | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | They are not broken gnu tools. | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | They are not gnu tools. | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, any idea when the bin will be out | 15:36 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | man-db-n900 :P | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | This is the right decision - it will make 99.99% of users experience better. | 15:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | As the busybox tools are lighter-weight and load faster/use less RAM for scripting. | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~messybox | 15:37 |
| infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils | 15:37 |
| Shapeshifter | well they could use zsh... :D | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | the issue is not zsh or bash or sh | 15:37 |
| Shapeshifter | also much faster, more lightweight than bash but complete shell | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's that grep and shell - for example - are the same binary largely. | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: No, but that should not be that long. | 15:38 |
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| tybollt | Shapeshifter: zsh is that fucker that even tab completes hostnames and shit? | 15:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, can you remove a package for me | 15:38 |
| SpeedEvil | This means that execing busybox grep is _substantially_ faster than forking a truly seperate process. | 15:38 |
| Shapeshifter | tybollt: hostnames? well I guess that is doable but it doesn't do that by default. Do you know bash-completion? | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Sure. | 15:38 |
| Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: yeah but it's no use that it's faster if it's broken. | 15:38 |
| tybollt | Shapeshifter: sure do - not all the intrinsics but yeah... | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, someone was here in #maemo and they removed my whole maemo.org packages page | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only ``issue'' is the fubar initscripts relying on busyboxisms | 15:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: But it's not broken for 99.99% of users. | 15:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: and the .01% should just install gnu tools. | 15:39 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: ?? | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, psfreedom non-free | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | keep the free version | 15:39 |
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| raimo | why can't I install pr 1.3 over wlan? it asks me to update via pc suite, but apparently pc suite doesn't support n900 ? | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | which part of ~messybox did you ignore? | 15:40 |
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| Shapeshifter | X-Fade: oh, btw, could you please remove this package? http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemoreactor/ I've written you an email and asked in here before but I guess you didn't notice. | 15:40 |
| raimo | have anyone managed to install the pr 1.3 update? | 15:40 |
| Scelt | erani | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox is neither broken nor "not broken for 99.99%" - it's just not an interactive shell | 15:41 |
| erani | Scelt: | 15:41 |
| mece | LOL wife called and exactly as the dialer appeared the installation set phone to offline mode. | 15:41 |
| maybeWork | so uhm... is there any kind of changelog for that 80mb update thingy? | 15:41 |
| Scelt | erani: 15:40:53 < raimo> have anyone managed to install the pr 1.3 update? | 15:41 |
| erani | oh :P | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | Shapeshifter: Hmm I must have really missed that. | 15:42 |
| Scelt | mece: something to talk about at home | 15:42 |
| X-Fade | Shapeshifter: Every version from every repo? | 15:42 |
| Shapeshifter | X-Fade: yes, that package is completely deprecated in favour of "reaction face-off" | 15:42 |
| raimo | maybeWork: bug+performance updates and ovi services support is what I've heard | 15:42 |
| th3hate_rx51 | is it safe to delete /usr/lib/locale/"locale-archive" from rootfs, if i'm satisfied with english only? | 15:43 |
| raimo | erani: so you got it installed? how did you do it? It won't install it over-the-air for me | 15:43 |
| Shapeshifter | X-Fade: thanks | 15:43 |
| erani | raimo: OTA via WLAN @ App manager | 15:43 |
| Scelt | raimo: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img | 15:43 |
| raimo | Scelt: ? | 15:43 |
| Scelt | raimo: those packages need to be removed in order to install OTA | 15:43 |
| raimo | ah okay | 15:44 |
| Scelt | at least worked for me | 15:44 |
| Flyser__ | erani: without nokia pc suite? | 15:44 |
| erani | Flyser__: yeah | 15:44 |
| chem|st | &%§)(*'"42"$(/ bootcycling after upgrade to PR1.3... flashing again wtf | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | chem|st: o.O | 15:44 |
| chem|st | raimo: yes it installed and settings and browser were missing so I restarted into bootcycle | 15:45 |
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| chem|st | raimo: if you are missing enough free space it asks you to upgrade via suite | 15:45 |
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| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: had that with 1.2 and now with 1.3... | 15:46 |
| raimo | chem|st: okay, thanks | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | enable r&d mode? | 15:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why tmo is MIA, lol MUAHAHAHAAA | 15:46 | |
| felipec | anybody knows how to query for orphan packages? | 15:46 |
| raimo | would've helped if it would've actually told me that.. :] | 15:46 |
| Flyser__ | how much free space is needed? | 15:46 |
| phryk | the application manager tells me that for the current update i need the nokia pc suite | 15:46 |
| phryk | which apparently only exists for windows?? | 15:47 |
| erani | Flyser__: no idea, but I had 84mb of rootfs mem and it installed | 15:47 |
| chem|st | Flyser__: 80Mb | 15:47 |
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| Flyser__ | ok | 15:47 |
| raimo | phryk: [15:45] < chem|st> | raimo: if you are missing enough free space it asks you to upgrade via suite | 15:47 |
| Scelt | nope | 15:47 |
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| chem|st | erani: it is not rootfs I guess | 15:47 |
| phryk | ah okay | 15:47 |
| Scelt | Flyser__: I have 65 Mt and lets me to go for OTA instead of pc suite | 15:47 |
| erani | oh | 15:47 |
| Flyser__ | I have exactly 80.4MB and it wont install | 15:47 |
| chem|st | it installed with 66MB free / at mine | 15:47 |
| mece | Flyser__, it's a conflicting package | 15:47 |
| Flyser__ | lets delete some stuff :) | 15:47 |
| erani | Flyser__: have you removed those packages Scelt mentioned | 15:47 |
| erani | yeah :P | 15:47 |
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| phryk | where is the apt-cache again? | 15:48 |
| Scelt | Flyser__: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img | 15:48 |
| RST38h | heya javispedro | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | hi javispedro | 15:48 |
| mece | phryk, it's not in / anymore | 15:48 |
| Flyser__ | Scelt: no. is it safe to do so? | 15:48 |
| chem|st | phryk: I guess in /home/user somewhere isnt it? | 15:48 |
| Shapeshifter | oh wow, this script is *golden* http://www.robinhill.me.uk/downloads/pkgsize.py | 15:48 |
| javispedro | morning | 15:48 |
| sivang | Scelt: yes restriticions for OTA somewhat relaxed or what? | 15:48 |
| sivang | same here | 15:48 |
| Scelt | Flyser__: I had to remove few apps with those packages but nothing important | 15:49 |
| Shapeshifter | git-core isn't optified and used up 14.4mb on rootfs :| | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: joining in monday-1.3-madness ? :-) | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | javispedro, have a nice cup of pr1.3 | 15:49 |
| Scelt | sivang: seems so | 15:49 |
| javispedro | too bad | 15:49 |
| raimo | I take it PakageView should see those packages ? it shows absolutely nothing for me | 15:49 |
| javispedro | PR1.3 release has slashdotted tmo | 15:49 |
| javispedro | which means I won't get engadget'd for preenv =) | 15:49 |
| chem|st | now flashed 1.2 reinstated settings only and upgrade to 1.3 (again) | 15:49 |
| Scelt | raimo: to terminal, root and then dpkg -l | grep libgles | 15:50 |
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| mece | wow this updating is not super fast... | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, removed psfreedom from non-free? | 15:50 |
| mece | downloading went in a jiffy but the updating is going slooooow | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: yes. | 15:50 |
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| felipec | Shapeshifter: how about this? dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n | 15:51 |
| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG51: btw, not sure if there was a problem with psfreedom itself but this morning there was an update of psfreedom and I let it install and went away and when I came back the n900 wouldn't come back from sleep and I had to remove the battery | 15:52 |
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| erani | oh, just found a strange bug of the 1.3... when you open the app menu from desktop and browse to the bottom of the list and a bit outside of it (where it should bounce back the icons) it just jams and tick by tick gets back to normal | 15:52 |
| foxfell | Hi all. Who tried to run nokia pc suite uneder wine? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: why Nokia broke the traditional scheme of releasing on Friday, when next Monday is holiday and everybody off for a week? | 15:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 15:52 |
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| Shapeshifter | felipec: nice. doesn't show space used exclusively on rootfs, though | 15:52 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I guess because that got delayed? ;) | 15:52 |
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| Oli``` | foxfell: Not worth it. Virtualbox is the only way to run it on a Linux machine. | 15:53 |
| javispedro | so, is tablets-dev keeping up? Or I should not even try? :) | 15:53 |
| foxfell | Oli```: no alternatives? | 15:53 |
| chem|st | javispedro: nope | 15:53 |
| chem|st | javispedro: still 1.2 | 15:53 |
| Oli``` | foxfell: not really, no | 15:54 |
| chem|st | thats why I just flashed 1.2 and upgraded to 1.3 | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | foxfell: who would need that crap on linux anyway? | 15:54 |
| Oli``` | foxfell: if you're just flashing, you can flash from Linux IIRC | 15:54 |
| felipec | foxfell: Oli```: it probably can't work through a virtual system | 15:54 |
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| Oli``` | felipec: it does | 15:54 |
| felipec | foxfell: Oli```: of course there is... use flasher | 15:54 |
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| foxfell | tnx guys | 15:55 |
| ebzzry | Hi! Is there a way to invoke the "back" button in windows programatically? | 15:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, can't see how it can be related :) | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flashing | 15:55 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 15:55 |
| javispedro | give me back tmo! | 15:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, thanks, can you refresh the description? | 15:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: :-P | 15:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-25 14:46:29] * DocScrutinizer wonders why tmo is MIA, lol MUAHAHAHAAA | 15:56 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Will get updated automatically. | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, description too? it wasn't updated when i updated the package | 15:56 |
| foxfell | Flashing the rootfs on your N900 will reset the device back to factory settings. sounds bad | 15:56 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: abstinence syndrome! | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | foxfell, no | 15:57 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: missing in action? what happened to it? | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | flashing the eMMC will | 15:57 |
| raimo | I wonder if using third party application manager like the Faster App Manager for pr update is doomed to fail? | 15:58 |
| * sivang wonders how flasher detects which is the eMMC, extended storage, SD etc | 15:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: nobody knows. History will show where and why it got lost in famous battle of 1.3 | 15:58 |
| raimo | because it started updating without any complains.. :] | 15:58 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: HAHAHA | 15:58 |
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| sivang | I did see flasher is rather wise about that- | 15:58 |
| sivang | knowing what not to destry | 15:58 |
| sivang | which is nice | 15:58 |
| Oli``` | foxfell: Updating by flashing is still pretty abrasive. It knocks out anything installed. You'd probably do better to wait for the OTA update. | 15:58 |
| sivang | Oli```: not so much | 15:59 |
| felipec | foxfell: that's what the Nokia PC would do, AFAIK | 15:59 |
| maybeWTF | nothing wrong with a bit torched earth now and then | 15:59 |
| felipec | foxfell: that's why you need to backup | 15:59 |
| Oli``` | sivang: that's my experience of it | 15:59 |
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| sivang | Oli```: you upgrade, you move away to a different storage, you flash, restore everything and viola | 15:59 |
| felipec | foxfell: of course you could try to free space so that OTA works | 15:59 |
| sivang | Oli```: was a breeze for me, even better than OTA | 15:59 |
| sivang | but yes, I'd hate to say- | 15:59 |
| sivang | YMMV | 15:59 |
| Oli``` | indeed | 15:59 |
| sivang | I did remove stuff that was not neccessary | 15:59 |
| sivang | e.g. every package that I decided I don't use anymore- got purged | 16:00 |
| sivang | and then reflashed | 16:00 |
| Oli``` | That said, if you're drowning in clutter, a reflash is a good way to get back to a nice sane set of defaults. Just make sure you backup anything you might want. | 16:00 |
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| Shapeshifter | so, how would I be able to find out which package conflicts with the PR update? | 16:01 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, in the update screen | 16:01 |
| Khertan | in ham | 16:01 |
| Khertan | click on Maemo Update | 16:01 |
| Khertan | then details | 16:01 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: thanks! | 16:02 |
| Khertan | 2 or 3 notebook you will see the details | 16:02 |
| mece | update with appmanager walked flawlessly. | 16:02 |
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| Khertan | Shapeshifter, for me it was libqt4-test, and a package that replace hildon-desktop :) | 16:02 |
| chem|st | mece: grats | 16:03 |
| * Oli``` wishes his OTA update would show up | 16:03 | |
| sivang | Oli```: I actually regret storing the settings, yes | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: WTF is the wiki page summarizing all that? | 16:03 |
| mece | the slowness of the uk release again. annoying. | 16:03 |
| sivang | Oli```: since it brought me back to clutter of tweakui and other things | 16:03 |
| sivang | Oli```: should have just restored everything else | 16:03 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: the wiki page summerziing the update and the changeset? | 16:03 |
| rmrfchik | emmmm... what are you do updating? | 16:03 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, the wiki ? | 16:04 |
| mece | I needed to dpkg -i this file: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb after that it was smooth sailing. | 16:04 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, don't know ... was down | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | and conflicting pkg and 42, yes | 16:04 |
| sivang | heh | 16:04 |
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| mece | anyway I'm off. ta. | 16:04 |
| maybeWTF | starting the update with power bar at 1/3rd = good idea c/d? | 16:04 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I'm surprised as well. this seems the most discrete upgrade ever in free software ? :) | 16:04 |
| sivang | maybeWTF: it will tell you if it has enough battery | 16:04 |
| sivang | maybeWTF: told me to plug to waller | 16:04 |
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| mece | same here. used usb cable though. worked fine. took about 15 minutes to upgrade. | 16:05 |
| maybeWTF | hehe, nice | 16:05 |
| mece | seriouslt though. I'm off. | 16:05 |
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| raimo | I just used Faster Application Manager to OTA update and it seemed to go through just fine | 16:06 |
| raimo | although the nokia application manager wouldn't run it | 16:06 |
| sivang | heh | 16:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: honestly, wouldn't it be more sane to *first* publish the fiasco img and changelog and stuff, *then* a day later enable the SSU? | 16:06 |
| rmrfchik | well, sorry if it was answered. is apt-get upgrade safe for 1.3? | 16:06 |
| sivang | "its complicated" | 16:06 |
| javispedro | you should really use the builtin apt manager | 16:06 |
| sivang | between HAM and FAPMAN | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes | 16:06 |
| javispedro | it does more stuff that a plain apt-get upgrade | 16:07 |
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| sivang | javispedro++ | 16:07 |
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| rmrfchik | javispedro: hmm, for example? | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: apt-get upgrade is *never* safe | 16:07 |
| javispedro | rmrfchik: including but not limited to "tuning" compression ratos for the ubifs | 16:07 |
| rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer: hmm. you ruine my world. | 16:07 |
| sivang | javispedro: oh dear | 16:07 |
| sivang | javispedro: that is something out of this world, I was nto aware. | 16:07 |
| rmrfchik | javispedro: ok, thanks | 16:07 |
| flux | apt-get upgrade is safe in a way that you can always reflash the device?-) | 16:07 |
| sivang | javispedro: how did you find out it does that? | 16:07 |
| javispedro | sivang: iirc since pr1.2 | 16:07 |
| sivang | javispedro: from changelog? | 16:08 |
| rmrfchik | t.m.o is down? ;) | 16:08 |
| javispedro | sivang: sorry, mxr doesn't not yet index pr1.2 code seems, get hildon-application-manager src pkg | 16:08 |
| alterego | How popular can t.m.o be .. | 16:08 |
| alterego | It's been down for about 6 hours now. | 16:08 |
| Khertan | flux, not really ... image isn't available yet :) | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | flux: beating the brick wall is alway safe as you can recover by healing your bones :-P | 16:08 |
| Shapeshifter | alterego: "I updated to PR1.3 and now everything is broken" | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Wait for reggie to wake up ;) | 16:08 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:08 |
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| flux | khertan, well, you can upgrade the previous version, you're not (much) worse off than what you started with :) | 16:08 |
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| Khertan | flux ... hum ... true | 16:09 |
| alterego | Shapeshifter: "PR1.3 ruined my life, now I can't rant about how awful it is on t.m.o NOKIA cens0rs!" | 16:09 |
| sivang | javispedro: k, thanks for the tip | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: it's not down, it's just MIA | 16:09 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: aka lemmings running a DDoS | 16:09 |
| javispedro | yea, with enough patience you can still reach it | 16:09 |
| javispedro | (contributing to the slashdotting) | 16:10 |
| alterego | All those Android fanbois | 16:10 |
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| sivang | so 1.3 ruins the installation? | 16:10 |
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| javispedro | sivang: found it! http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-application-manager/src/apt-worker.cc#4802 | 16:10 |
| rmrfchik | and changelog are ... | 16:10 |
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| * sivang thanks timeless for mxr | 16:10 | |
| ElAngelo | that's what i'd like to know too... | 16:10 |
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| sivang | javispedro: thanks | 16:10 |
| ElAngelo | what do we get in 1.3 ? | 16:10 |
| javispedro | nothing | 16:11 |
| jaska | a new version number! | 16:11 |
| Shapeshifter | ElAngelo: you get 2 hours of caring for your device to make it able to update OTA. | 16:11 |
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| * javispedro plans to reflash either way | 16:11 | |
| javispedro | I think I'm still using pr1.1 modest.... | 16:11 |
| rmrfchik | PR1.3 -- enlarge your version number! | 16:11 |
| Milhouse | bug fixes | 16:12 |
| ElAngelo | is Shapeshifter the channel troll now? | 16:12 |
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| Milhouse | the changelog has been posted on t.m.o. but nobody can read it. | 16:12 |
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| crashanddie | ElAngelo, and you are? | 16:12 |
| raimo | okay well the bulid in app manager still shows the maemo update after updating with the faster app manager, but now it allows an OTA update. so I'm running that now :D | 16:13 |
| sivang | javispedro: oh that you are in pain, my friend, modest is still not as good as it could be IMHO, but 1.1 was a nightmare | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | ElAngelo, because as I recall, Shapeshifter has been around here a heckuvalot longer than you have. | 16:13 |
| raimo | I'm supriced if I don't manage to f*ck something up with this.. | 16:13 |
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| ElAngelo | crashanddie: don't know... just a user | 16:13 |
| javispedro | sivang: I had patched it and never bothered to forward port stuff to 1.2 =) | 16:13 |
| the_lord | Hi! is there a place where I can see the changelog of PR 1.3 ? | 16:13 |
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| GAN900 | I love websites with a thousand and one in-window popup ads, advisements and survey requests. | 16:13 |
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| ElAngelo | i just scrolled up a couple of lines and saw Shapeshifter trolling all over the channel | 16:13 |
| javispedro | GAN900: web 3.0! | 16:13 |
| sivang | javispedro: ah, I see | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | did anyone spot 'And there’s even more great news. Ovi Music Store is now accessible right from your N900 (where available). You can use your inbuilt browser to access music.ovi.com and download your favorite tunes straight to your device in DRM-free format.' ? | 16:14 |
| * MohammadAG saw it | 16:14 | |
| javispedro | Stskeeps: wtf | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | couldn't care less | 16:14 |
| alterego | Neat | 16:14 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: actually that was somewhat known in the sprint already :) | 16:14 |
| raimo | does that meant it's free? | 16:14 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, shill. :P | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | raimo, no, it means it's DRM-free | 16:14 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: one of the reasons for me to upgrade as well | 16:14 |
| raimo | right | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | ElAngelo, sorry, you must have some foo I don't, I've not seen Shapeshifter troll anyone. | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | i could reason with DRM-free music and paying for it. | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | DRM'ed music, fuck no | 16:15 |
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| crashanddie | I want lossless encoding on music I pay for | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: so drop that idea of security framework! | 16:15 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: There's a such? | 16:16 |
| ElAngelo | then i misunderstood the quotes | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | ElAngelo, it would appear so indeed. | 16:16 |
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| erani | Stskeeps: yeah... I buy all of my music there so that was a nice upgrade :) | 16:16 |
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| hrw | ~pr1.3 | 16:17 |
| infobot | LALALALALALALALALAAAAAA | 16:17 |
| javispedro | I would be happy about such a thing | 16:17 |
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| hrw | ;D | 16:17 |
| crashanddie | ~factinfo pr1.3 | 16:17 |
| infobot | pr1.3 -- created by noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-53-101.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> at Tue May 25 07:13:59 2010 (153 days); last modified 1h 30m 44s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 45 times, last by hrw, 27s ago. | 16:17 |
| javispedro | gives me good vibes about "open mode" kernel in harmattan security framework | 16:17 |
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| erani | it was literally as painful as shooting my own leg when I bought a 20 song collection album and I had to tap the download icon one by one at each song, wait for the page to refrest etc... | 16:17 |
| sivang | javispedro: feels like a hack, is thee no lib for playing with mount? | 16:18 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, somehow, I knew it could only be you :P | 16:18 |
| sivang | javispedro: re http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-application-manager/src/apt-worker.cc#4802 | 16:18 |
| erani | refresh* | 16:18 |
| javispedro | sivang: well, there's this "mount" syscall ;) | 16:18 |
| sivang | javispedro: but it was not used :-PP | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | ~pr1.2 | 16:18 |
| infobot | [pr1.2] available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | ~forget pr1.3 | 16:19 |
| infobot | i forgot pr1.3, MohammadAG | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: best most precise and accurate info I could offer to infobot | 16:19 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: dangerous to the device? | 16:19 |
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| sivang | javispedro: execing commands like mount scares me... | 16:19 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, huh?! | 16:19 |
| sivang | javispedro: from a c program | 16:19 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: you made infobot forget 1.3 | 16:19 |
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| crashanddie | sivang, you know what's really scary? Calling rm -rf from a perl script. | 16:20 |
| javispedro | sivang: well.. the entire thing already runs on root, what could go wrong? ;) | 16:20 |
| crashanddie | you never know what that / might turn into | 16:20 |
| sivang | javispedro: HA HA HA HA | 16:20 |
| * javispedro notes that until recently, ALL, ALL, EACH and EVERY program on the Palm Pre ran as the root user | 16:20 | |
| MohammadAG | ~pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 16:20 |
| infobot | ...but pr1.3 is already something else... | 16:20 |
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| MohammadAG | ~forget pr1.3 | 16:20 |
| infobot | i forgot pr1.3, MohammadAG | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | ~pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 16:20 |
| infobot | okay, MohammadAG | 16:20 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: pm with infobot instead of such noises | 16:21 |
| Khertan | ~flashing | 16:21 |
| infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, <infobot> Stop abusing forget! | 16:21 |
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| rmrfchik | well, app manager dont want to upgrade system. it wan ovi suite to do it | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | ~no, pr1.3 is is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday 25th October 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update | 16:21 |
| Arkenoi | i bet OTA won't pass again | 16:21 |
| Khertan | rmrfchik, conflick package ... go to details and remove conflicting package | 16:21 |
| javispedro | no wonder | 16:21 |
| rmrfchik | Arkenoi: chmoke | 16:21 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG, please don't insult us by using american date format | 16:21 |
| javispedro | everyone here uses extras-devel, | 16:21 |
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| crashanddie | javispedro, nope, I don't | 16:22 |
| rmrfchik | Khertan: ah.. it may be MohammadAG's fixes :) | 16:22 |
| Khertan | i don't too | 16:22 |
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| crashanddie | either** | 16:22 |
| javispedro | and I counted every time someone uploaded a package breaking SSU there: it's in the hundreds. | 16:22 |
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| javispedro | crashanddie: and did OTA work for you? | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, lol it wasn't on purpose, I just copied the date from Ubuntu's top bar | 16:22 |
| sivang | crashanddie: hehe | 16:22 |
| crashanddie | javispedro, dunno, N900 is with the gf | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | Monday, October 25 2010 <-- is how it's output from the top gnome-panel | 16:22 |
| Khertan | rmrfchik, yep MohammadAG fixes and python2.5-qt4 | 16:22 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:22 |
| Arkenoi | actually OTA *never* worked for anyone with reasonable number of apps installed | 16:22 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG, then gnome-panel is obviously broken. | 16:22 |
| sivang | rmrfchik: that means you need to reflash, fwiw | 16:22 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, heh | 16:23 |
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| javispedro | Arkenoi: I'm 100% sure it would work here, but that's because I smell apps breaking it from a hundred miles | 16:23 |
| rmrfchik | sivang: i will revert modest, pulse and desktop | 16:23 |
| Arkenoi | so i do not expect it to work now, either | 16:23 |
| rmrfchik | will see | 16:23 |
| Khertan | Arkenoi, works for me ... just remove conflicting package | 16:23 |
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| visz | oh, now i have PR1.3 at OTA | 16:23 |
| javispedro | (unfortunately, and due to sdl-ttf bug, most of my apps also break it... :( ) | 16:23 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: yes, but I guess this is not something for Maemo to solve already | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | funny, I don't get any updates on the leaked 1.3 | 16:23 |
| sivang | Arkenoi: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 | 16:23 |
| povbot | Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. | 16:23 |
| visz | with Sonera Finland | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | meaning the released 1.3 is actually a released testing image? | 16:23 |
| Arkenoi | Khertan, ah, yes, and spend a few hours trying to find out which one is to blame and even more cleaning up / space | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: ttf was changed in pr1.3 | 16:24 |
| kPb_in_ | i just update my n900.. how can i check if its pr 1.3 or not? | 16:24 |
| erani | kPb_in_: go to settings -> device information | 16:24 |
| nidO | Arkenoi: or just look | 16:24 |
| Oli``` | Is there a reason I can't see the update in update manager? I'm in the UK on an unlocked, unbranded straight-from-nokia N900. | 16:24 |
| Arkenoi | sivang, that's what i expected | 16:24 |
| erani | it should be running fw version 20.2010.36-2 | 16:24 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: everyone who upgraded to borked package will be able to SSU? | 16:24 |
| Shapeshifter | "You can now enter a lowercase letter at the beginning of a sentence." is my favourite bugfix for 1.3 | 16:24 |
| Khertan | Arkenoi, it take me 10min | 16:25 |
| alterego | kPb_in_: in the settings application goto about product and the version should say 20.2010.36-2 | 16:25 |
| chem|st | Oli```: nope | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, no, but they will be able to downgrade to the old one | 16:25 |
| Khertan | just read the detail in the update | 16:25 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: or -- more like everyone who upgraded to it will NOT be able to? :) | 16:25 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:25 |
| kPb_in_ | erani, u meant About product? | 16:25 |
| chem|st | Shapeshifter: ** | 16:25 |
| erani | kPb_in_: err, yes :P | 16:25 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: (not blaming you ofc) | 16:25 |
| Arkenoi | still flash 9, i guess? | 16:25 |
| kPb_in_ | erani, alterego cool thanx :) | 16:25 |
| Oli``` | chem|st: so I should be able to see it? | 16:25 |
| Scelt | Shapeshifter: where's the changelog? | 16:25 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I have got your SSU installed (no PR1.3 yet). Anything I should know about? | 16:25 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: not until -devel is rebuilt! | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: No idea, why don't you try it out ;) | 16:25 |
| RST38h | \ | 16:26 |
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| alterego | Can /scratchbox be a symlink? | 16:26 |
| javispedro | alterego: it can be a bind mount... | 16:26 |
| kPb_in_ | PR 1.3 was suppose to bring meego dual boot right? | 16:26 |
| alterego | Urgh | 16:26 |
| chem|st | Oli```: I had that problem with 1.2 it showed in the install pages but not in the update page | 16:26 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, mine is the fix in the QListView scrolling :) | 16:26 |
| X-Fade | kPb_in_: No. | 16:26 |
| chem|st | kPb_in_: yes | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | Hmm | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | chem|st, no | 16:26 |
| kPb_in_ | ?? | 16:26 |
| crashanddie | I just had an email from some headhunter | 16:26 |
| visz | kPb_in_, i don't know, but what i read from the blog, it gives the ability to do a dual boot | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: rm -rf /scratchbox, a nice way to kill your system | 16:27 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: what does it do? | 16:27 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: googlers? | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | no no no! | 16:27 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: thats what they said?! | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, dunno | 16:27 |
| raimo | looks like my way of first updating with Faster Application Manager and then with the build in one worked :p | 16:27 |
| * tybollt was headhunted for the current job... | 16:27 | |
| MohammadAG | PR1.3 brings kexec patches to the kernel by default | 16:27 |
| raimo | although it didn't allow me to update with the build in one first | 16:27 |
| raimo | I had like 68Mt free | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, the guy is basically telling me off for them having _my_ CV in _their_ records, and that I'm not fit for the job. | 16:27 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, the viewport didn't remember well is original position | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't allow dual booting without a boot menu | 16:27 |
| Khertan | Shapeshifter, it s fixed in qt4.7 :) | 16:27 |
| erani | umm, is ovi store working for you guys? I can't click on anything on the store site after opening it from main menu | 16:27 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: ah well | 16:27 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, as usual | 16:27 |
| Shapeshifter | Scelt: couldn't find a changelog but apparently there's one on tmo but google hasn't cached it yet (or I couldn't find the cached version). Just hear-say from some random maemo page | 16:27 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: uhm... did you even apply for it..? | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, check QTextBrowser in 4.7 | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: BS, nigerian 2.0 | 16:28 |
| chem|st | MohammadAG: keep sorting nuts for size pls | 16:28 |
| Scelt | Shapeshifter: okay | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | tybollt, hint, I never applied. I sent him a response explaining I didn't apply for anything, and he responded by saying "Please stop wasting my time" | 16:28 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, :) | 16:28 |
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| crashanddie | tosser. | 16:28 |
| chem|st | crashanddie: behave! | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, I think it's broken :P | 16:28 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, no no, the company is legit, and so are the phone numbers. | 16:28 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: that's when you are to reply by means of dead cats in his mail or some such ;) | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | so spam their phone | 16:28 |
| Khertan | crashanddie, most of time if i ve free time ... i wait for a meeting | 16:28 |
| Khertan | to insult them :) | 16:28 |
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| Khertan | it s more funny | 16:29 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:29 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: anyway that was alarmingly retarded of that bloke... :-/ | 16:29 |
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| RST38h | not unusual though | 16:30 |
| Khertan | Youhou ... Khweeteur Scrolling bug magically fixed by Qt4.7 | 16:30 |
| Khertan | :) | 16:30 |
| tybollt | RST38h: Really? I've only ever really had ... positive exeperience of the head hunters... | 16:31 |
| rmrfchik | hehehe, it was /etc/apt/preferences with pinned modest | 16:31 |
| tybollt | I may be the odd one out | 16:31 |
| Khertan | RST38h, usual in france | 16:31 |
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| rmrfchik | remove preferences before upgrading | 16:31 |
| tybollt | Khertan: A rude frenchman? YOU DON'T SAY!?!?! | 16:32 |
| * sivang boogles at freeswitch not passing and inbound call | 16:32 | |
| sivang | tybollt: hehe | 16:32 |
| Khertan | got the same experience ten or twenty time | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: thou shalt not play with pins! | 16:32 |
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| auenf | err, maemo update? | 16:32 |
| sivang | auenf: so it seems | 16:32 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: Needles however... ;) | 16:32 |
| rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer: blame MohammadAG! | 16:32 |
| rmrfchik | ;) | 16:32 |
| erani | oh well... it seems that after the update ovi store website doesn't work correctly for half of the time -.- | 16:32 |
| tybollt | rmrfchik: We all do... | 16:32 |
| auenf | 1.3, or something minor? | 16:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm blaming MohammadAG since a week, for not building my kernel | 16:33 |
| rmrfchik | it hope it will not format my home partition | 16:33 |
| hawaii_ | Why would it? | 16:34 |
| rmrfchik | I'm blaming MohammadAG for bad weather here | 16:34 |
| Khertan | number look like the same as the leaked firmware | 16:34 |
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| rmrfchik | hawaii_: dunno. I expect all from nokia | 16:34 |
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| hawaii_ | Right. | 16:34 |
| auenf | hmm, update claims to be 20.2010.36-2 | 16:34 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: can I join this facebook club? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is facebook? | 16:35 |
| rmrfchik | DocScrutinizer: do u know /facepalm? | 16:35 |
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| rmrfchik | it's the same, but with books | 16:36 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Facebook is the opposite of Orwell's 1984' "Memory Hole" | 16:36 |
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| auenf | facebook is where only part-time computer users go to play flash games | 16:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | watch the doc to lrn2troll | 16:36 |
| javispedro | auenf: and full-time, from watching students's monitors =) | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: wouldn't be bricks much more effective? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | than books | 16:37 |
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| chem|st | auenf: where do fulltime computer geeks play flash games? | 16:37 |
| auenf | javispedro, students dont have anything else to do but play facebook games it seems | 16:37 |
| seba_ | quick question. I updated some qt mobility libraries (after removing libqt4-xxx), I see update available from apt-get but nothing in app manager. Should I use apt-get or just wait more? | 16:38 |
| auenf | chem|st, on their N900's | 16:38 |
| chem|st | auenf: true | 16:38 |
| Arkenoi | well, i have 20mb free on /, i guess i should not even bother to try OTA, as expected :-/ | 16:38 |
| chem|st | auenf: I got no flash games... | 16:38 |
| Shapeshifter | auenf: what is much more disturbing is that so many developers seem to have nothing better to do than *write* facebook games | 16:38 |
| dolp | so how does the maemo/meego dualboot system work? | 16:38 |
| auenf | but they dont limit themselves facebook games, they actually play real games | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | dolp: it shows an interactive flash demo and people can't tell the difference. | 16:39 |
| l0up_ | ahh, uninstalled libgles1-sgx-img and got OTA update working.. | 16:39 |
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| chem|st | dolp: with a bootloader | 16:39 |
| auenf | hmm, 0:37 | 16:39 |
| Shapeshifter | l0up_: was the same for me. it killed off a couple of games | 16:39 |
| auenf | thats not a good time to start installing a maemo update | 16:39 |
| auenf | will sleep instead | 16:39 |
| rmrfchik | Arkenoi: just uninstall shit and clean root | 16:39 |
| chem|st | Arkenoi: try it depends on other space than / | 16:39 |
| rmrfchik | rootfs 227.9M 199.9M 23.8M 89% / | 16:40 |
| rmrfchik | this is _during_ installation | 16:40 |
| jacekowski | N9 looks nice | 16:40 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, ? | 16:40 |
| chem|st | jacekowski: subjective... | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: poor trolling | 16:40 |
| seba_ | is apt-get update the right way? ... anyone? | 16:40 |
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| jacekowski | there is a video on youtube | 16:41 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: ? | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | dolp: technically we don't really require pr1.3 for it.. | 16:41 |
| Myrtti | jacekowski: an official Nokia video? | 16:41 |
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| jacekowski | no | 16:41 |
| rmrfchik | seba_: I do | 16:41 |
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| Stskeeps | dolp: we'll be using u-boot | 16:41 |
| rmrfchik | seba_: more over, upgrading is on the way | 16:41 |
| jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVznicTiUOI | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | dolp: boot chainload | 16:41 |
| oshin | can I update pr1.3 without windows? | 16:41 |
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| jacekowski | oshin: yes | 16:41 |
| oshin | it says something about nokia suite | 16:41 |
| oshin | ok | 16:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dolp: unrelated to pr1.3 | 16:42 |
| oshin | thanks. | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | completely | 16:42 |
| erani | err, jacekowski isn't that just e7... | 16:42 |
| sivang | so anything on the positive side for today? :) | 16:42 |
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| dos1 | Nokia PC Suite message should be placed in topic I think ;) | 16:42 |
| * javispedro wonders what happened to those days where the question was "can I update to XXX with windows?" | 16:42 | |
| sivang | besides TMO missing in action, pr1.3 issues etc | 16:42 |
| seba_ | rmrfchik, thanks. will go with that then. | 16:42 |
| sivang | javispedro: heh | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, E7, meh | 16:42 |
| Myrtti | oh jebus, his speech makes my teeth grate | 16:43 |
| rmrfchik | seba_: I was said to use app manager for upgrade. And I followed advise | 16:43 |
| oshin | hehe | 16:43 |
| seba_ | mh | 16:43 |
| hrw | so how much space in rootfs is needed for upgrade? | 16:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | prolly 47M as usual :-P | 16:44 |
| petteri | oshin: for me helped to remove these packages: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img . Before that it would not upgrade | 16:44 |
| auenf | yup, all the 'n9' stuff that was previewed (that all still had symbian ui) is just the E7 | 16:44 |
| * GAN900 is sorely tempted by a MacBook Air. | 16:44 | |
| seba_ | I wonder why nothing come up in app manager while apt-get shows 66mb of available archives | 16:44 |
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| chem|st | seba_: dont install! | 16:44 |
| oshin | petteri, ok, thanks a lot. | 16:44 |
| Arkenoi | As expected, it wants me to flash via USB :-/ | 16:45 |
| alterego | GAN900: NOOOOOO!!!!! | 16:45 |
| javispedro | GAN900: the very same GAN-the-netbook-hater is interested in Apple's Netbook offerings? =) | 16:45 |
| hrw | DocScrutinizer: thx | 16:45 |
| chem|st | it is about 80 and as ussual it will break because of the missing 25mb | 16:45 |
| auenf | need to flash via usb cause not enough rootfs? | 16:45 |
| sivang | auenf: what's E7? | 16:45 |
| sivang | gpd: don't go THERE!!! | 16:45 |
| hrw | 41M free - time to regain space | 16:45 |
| sivang | oops | 16:45 |
| erani | http://kuvaton.com/browse/15985/mac3.jpg :P | 16:45 |
| Arkenoi | *AS EXPECTED*, there is no further diagnostics. | 16:45 |
| sivang | that was | 16:45 |
| auenf | symbian^3 | 16:45 |
| auenf | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-e7 | 16:45 |
| auenf | n8 with a keyboard essentially | 16:46 |
| sivang | GAN900: don't go there!! We must fight the temptation! | 16:46 |
| sivang | auenf: I ee | 16:46 |
| sivang | or should I say, I eee | 16:46 |
| hawaii_ | Er, not really. | 16:46 |
| javispedro | erani: lol | 16:46 |
| hawaii_ | It has the same "build" as the N8. | 16:46 |
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| MohammadAG | btw | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | why isn't /var/lib/dpkg optified? | 16:47 |
| MohammadAG | it gets huge | 16:47 |
| hawaii_ | It has an EDoF camera, and drops microsd, however. | 16:47 |
| auenf | far too many phone buyers buy on design of the phone only ;) | 16:47 |
| hawaii_ | It feels great. | 16:47 |
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| hawaii_ | But the nHD resolution kills it, IMHO. | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: because HAM is moving it dynamically to MyDocs? | 16:47 |
| rmrfchik | oj, kernel is updating... my overclocks!!! | 16:47 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: good question | 16:47 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, netbook hater? | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, impossible | 16:48 |
| * GAN900 currently owns a Mini 9. | 16:48 | |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that | 16:48 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh | 16:48 |
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| MohammadAG | that's /var/lib/apt | 16:48 |
| MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg is NOT optified | 16:48 |
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| sivang | GAN900: stick to it, don't help Apple ales | 16:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wild guess, nothing more | 16:48 |
| sivang | GAN900: *sales | 16:48 |
| erani | i own an eeepc 1000h w 10.10 right now, but my personal opinion would be that I'd never buy a thousand-dollar mini-pc... | 16:48 |
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| erani | mini-mac* | 16:48 |
| GAN900 | I'd like something that can handle RAW, though. | 16:48 |
| sivang | GAN900: LG T380 UV | 16:49 |
| * rmrfchik uses eee 901. it's just a magic with my debian | 16:49 | |
| sivang | GAN900: great machine, apart for very screwed up keyboard. | 16:49 |
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| rmrfchik | but it so suck in c++ for n900 development :( | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | sivang, you'll be very disappointed by my Mac Pro, then. :P | 16:49 |
| sivang | GAN900: once I get meego onboard it, it will be even better | 16:49 |
| sivang | GAN900: oh:/ | 16:49 |
| GAN900 | sivang, screwed up keyboard is a non-starter. | 16:49 |
| tybollt | GAN900: which one? The new thin one? | 16:50 |
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| sivang | GAN900: well, I have a hunch it is ubuntu's too obtrusive throttling or something, so need to test with meego | 16:50 |
| alterego | herm, scratchbox hathor does not have svn devkit packages :/ | 16:50 |
| rmrfchik | well.. seems like it was updated OK. at least, it asked me pin | 16:50 |
| sivang | GAN900: I was able to build Qt 4.7 on it in 4 hours, including everything. Not bad for a netbook no? | 16:50 |
| javispedro | GAN900:didn't you something alone the lines of "a tablet/nit for mobile stuff, a laptop/workstation for big stuff"? | 16:51 |
| javispedro | *say | 16:51 |
| sivang | alterego: were you able to upgrade your 1.2 sb? | 16:51 |
| sivang | alterego: it completely brok emine | 16:51 |
| javispedro | alterego: grab apophis devkits, they work | 16:51 |
| javispedro | sivang: what you mean? I use hathor sb since it was released | 16:51 |
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| alterego | sivang: luckily I'm actually just reinstalling my laptop. | 16:51 |
| alterego | :D | 16:52 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, I'm now needing something that can handle 18MP photos on the road, though. | 16:52 |
| javispedro | aha! | 16:52 |
| auenf | better get an alienware then | 16:52 |
| RST38h | GAN: A camera maybe? =) | 16:52 |
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| tybollt | GAN900: thinkpad X201s, core i7, 6GB RAM, SSD, ~1kg. That's what I have :) | 16:53 |
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| alterego | It's kind of annoying, I always thought tablets-dev was the first to get updasted. | 16:53 |
| * lbt touches "update" | 16:53 | |
| MohammadAG | holy shit | 16:53 |
| MohammadAG | sdk update | 16:53 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: broke completely | 16:53 |
| * sivang will reinstall Maemo SDK | 16:53 | |
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| Khertan | ouch ... they slow down scrolling ... | 16:54 |
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| * RST38h trembles at the thought of updating SDK+/SB2 | 16:54 | |
| Khertan | in pr1.3 | 16:54 |
| sivang | that's bad | 16:54 |
| lbt | "to update you must use PC suite..." ? | 16:54 |
| Khertan | RST38h, do python code no need for sdk and sb2 | 16:54 |
| sivang | it was already slow in 1.2 | 16:54 |
| Khertan | lbt, now touch the details | 16:54 |
| sivang | lbt: the infamous upgrade bug | 16:54 |
| hrw | Khertan: in qt? | 16:54 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, how | 16:54 |
| Khertan | lbt, and remove the conflicting package you see :) | 16:54 |
| dolp | madde update.. | 16:54 |
| lbt | it just says "backup" | 16:54 |
| GAN900 | Khertan, how could scrolling get slower. . . . | 16:55 |
| Khertan | lbt, before the intall :) | 16:55 |
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| MohammadAG | reinstalling is for the faint hearted :P | 16:55 |
| Khertan | GAN900, there is less inertia | 16:55 |
| Khertan | hrw, in hildon-desktop | 16:55 |
| * GAN900 facepalms. | 16:55 | |
| GAN900 | It's like Nokia hates usability. | 16:55 |
| Khertan | hrw, :) | 16:55 |
| MohammadAG | less inertia = faster scrolling | 16:55 |
| lbt | Khertan: thanks.... non-obvious :) | 16:55 |
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| Jaffa | Tsk. TMO down? | 16:56 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, ==more touch down to scroll == so more | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | tmo MIA | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, where? | 16:56 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Any chance of a fremantle-1.3.1 with the Modest patches? | 16:56 |
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| alterego | So, is there an updated madde sysroot too? :D | 16:56 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, hildon-desktop application menun | 16:56 |
| alterego | And Nokia Qt SDK?! | 16:56 |
| sivang | Khertan: I did not see any conflicting packages | 16:56 |
| Khertan | hopefully it s not the case in microb | 16:57 |
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| Khertan | :) | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | "New update! We threw in some bug fixes, but we need to figure out how to make it less usable and more obnoxious." | 16:57 |
| Khertan | ouf ... | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, check transitions.ini | 16:57 |
| rmrfchik | damn.. not enough memory for install | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, sure, I was waiting for 1.3 | 16:57 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, never touch it :) | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, now I can announce the SSU, when I fix HAM and make it accept it | 16:57 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | can maemo make phone calls with a nokia n900 ;P? | 16:57 |
| Khertan | rotate in khweeteur is faster too | 16:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer YAWNS at all 1.3 hype | 16:57 | |
| javispedro | GAN900: hey, better than the last time where they less usable part was not trivially noticed :) | 16:57 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, I'm asking you to | 16:57 |
| javispedro | s/they/the | 16:58 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, where is it located ? | 16:58 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, check if /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini has deceleration_rate | 16:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer doesn't see a single point in updating right now | 16:58 | |
| hawaii_ | Neither me. | 16:58 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, Qt4.7 | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | blaarg | 16:58 |
| Khertan | fix many bugs :) | 16:58 |
| alterego | I can see this being a bit of a fail .. | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I fixed all bugs that annoyed me, without 1.3 | 16:59 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | qt4.7? that's newer stuff than my desktop runs | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 16:59 |
| alterego | We all update to PR1.3 and there's no Nokia Qt SDK to develop with | 16:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | exactly | 16:59 |
| hrw | Khertan: rotating in khweeteur was awful... | 16:59 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: that means you have the changelog then? | 16:59 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | I thought maemo was focused on hildon ui? | 16:59 |
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| tybollt | alterego: isn't that the exact same "chicken or the egg" problem that struck us last time around? :-S | 17:00 |
| * KaffeeJunky123 just ordered a nokia n900 yesterday and is very eager to find out about maemo stuff | 17:00 | |
| erani | welcome on board | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5 is PR1.3 kernel? | 17:00 |
| alterego | reset | 17:00 |
| alterego | Meh | 17:00 |
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| hrw | 1007 packages to upgrade - nice set | 17:00 |
| alterego | Well, I suppose we have scratchbox .... | 17:00 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | erani: not quite yet, the phone is yet to be delivered | 17:01 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/szqBpswH | 17:01 |
| auenf | <DocScrutinizer> I fixed all bugs that annoyed me, without 1.3 <-- mail client? | 17:01 |
| Khertan | alterego, Nokia Qt SDK is useless ! | 17:01 |
| Shapeshifter | oh damn | 17:01 |
| * GAN900 contemplates attempting the upgrade on EDGE | 17:01 | |
| KaffeeJunky123 | erani: I hope my prior linux experience will help with maemo, I'm using debian stable as my main os on my desktop. | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no bug annoying me in modest, as I largely ignore modest | 17:01 |
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| Shapeshifter | the hildon desktop conf was overwritten .... | 17:01 |
| alterego | PR1.3 is now on tablets-dev | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | modest is slow and slow | 17:01 |
| jacekowski | and slow | 17:01 |
| sivang | alterego: what do you mean? wouldn't the nokia qt sdk work on Maemo 1.3? | 17:01 |
| Shapeshifter | why do they do that. that's what I call broken | 17:01 |
| MohammadAG | WHAT, THE, FUCK | 17:02 |
| auenf | alternative to modest then? | 17:02 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG: ??? | 17:02 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | that's what I call make backups inb4 updating ^^ | 17:02 |
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| MohammadAG | it's older than my package | 17:02 |
| Shapeshifter | KaffeeJunky123: configs aren't supposed to be deleted on linux. | 17:02 |
| alterego | No UK varient .. | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | Khertan, it's quite awesome really :) | 17:02 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Shapeshifter: I know, but just in case | 17:02 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, modest is old old old, I'll update my package for 1.3 | 17:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | auenf: Konversation/Kmail | 17:02 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG, ? the .ini ? | 17:03 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: not yet. | 17:03 |
| MohammadAG | <alterego> PR1.3 is now on tablets-dev where? | 17:03 |
| alterego | :) | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | auenf: and even that is at it's limits with my mail | 17:03 |
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| alterego | X-Fade: well, I always use the global variant anyway ^.^ | 17:03 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | Shapeshifter: you never know when updates'll blow up things, it's not a linux only rule | 17:03 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 17:03 |
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| MohammadAG | hildon-desktop in 1.3 is not the latest git source | 17:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/Konversation/Kontacts | 17:04 |
| javispedro | well, PR1.3 is released, start wishing for PR1.4. rinse-repeat. | 17:04 |
| Khertan | lol | 17:04 |
| alterego | No updated eMMC content though ^.^ | 17:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | KaffeeJunky123: on linux, the rule is: don't overwrite configs and if you have to put a new config in place because of broken compatiblity, then make a backup before doing so. | 17:04 |
| maybeWTF | javispedro: think big. PR1.6! | 17:04 |
| Khertan | javispedro, last hildon-desktop :) | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ask for ~pr1.5! | 17:04 |
| Khertan | hum ... map start faster | 17:04 |
| * alterego starts speculating about PR1.4 | 17:04 | |
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| javispedro | PR1.4 will end world hunger! again! | 17:04 |
| maybeWTF | does it have voice navigation now? | 17:04 |
| alterego | Maybe we should just start trolling users on tmo | 17:04 |
| * maybeWTF ducks & covers | 17:04 | |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Shapeshifter: wich simply means some packet maintainer fucked up the update | 17:04 |
| phryk | did anyone get the new maemo update working without the pc suite?? | 17:04 |
| alterego | Hah | 17:04 |
| Shapeshifter | KaffeeJunky123: some *nokia* package maintainer ^^ | 17:05 |
| Arkenoi | where is pr1.3 fiasco image? i give up with ota. | 17:05 |
| erani | phryk: yeah | 17:05 |
| alterego | Hahahah | 17:05 |
| RST38h | alterego: tmo down, too many lemmings today, too loud screams | 17:05 |
| Shapeshifter | Khertan: I don't think it starts faster | 17:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Shapeshifter: nothing less to expect from them I guess | 17:05 |
| erani | maybeWTF: no there's not | 17:05 |
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| alterego | Arkenoi: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 17:05 |
| phryk | erani: how much space did you have free on / | 17:05 |
| alterego | Can everyone wait until I've downloaded it though, I don't want to have to wait an hour for the image to download if everyone starts ripping it .. | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | wow | 17:05 |
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| MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/Desktop/PR1.3$ md5sum RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | that's the leaked image | 17:05 |
| RST38h | wow? | 17:05 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | I see the N900 as a nerd toy capable of making phone calls, is that about right? | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin this is the official one | 17:06 |
| alterego | If you'd all kindly wait 7 minutes for my download to complete ;) | 17:06 |
| erani | phryk: 84mb | 17:06 |
| phryk | KaffeeJunky123: seems right | 17:06 |
| maybeWTF | KaffeeJunky123: pretty much | 17:06 |
| phryk | erani: i have 81.2mb free | 17:06 |
| RST38h | mohammad, yes, we know | 17:06 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | so it is what I want =) | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | leaked = official, I'm disappointed | 17:06 |
| javispedro | doesn't surprise me. | 17:06 |
| phryk | erani: sure that it was the update that came out today? o_O | 17:06 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:06 |
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| secyritas | MohammadAG: lol, then I flashed the official one for nothing ... | 17:06 |
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| erani | phryk: yeah :P double and triple-checked today | 17:06 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: "disappointed" is the only word that comes after a PR update. You eventually realize it and stop wishing for those :) | 17:06 |
| erani | (not really, but yeah it's the correct one) | 17:06 |
| Khertan | javispedro, having qt4.7 make me happy :) | 17:07 |
| erani | I'm actually looking forward to Qt Ovi Maps with the voice navigation to N900... but I'm quite sceptical for it to come on the device, but you never know... | 17:07 |
| hawaii_ | No voice nav, sir. | 17:07 |
| alterego | Damn, the leaked was the official global image? | 17:07 |
| GAN900 | I really wish | 17:07 |
| Shapeshifter | Meh. no good. modest still doesn't upload sent emails using IMAP | 17:08 |
| Shapeshifter | crap. | 17:08 |
| GAN900 | somebody would replace Nokia | 17:08 |
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| alterego | Or maybe the chinese have hacked tablets-dev .. | 17:08 |
| sivang | hehe | 17:08 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, on pr1.3 (ota version) the repository for OVI is https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ? is correct ? | 17:08 |
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| sivang | that is funny | 17:08 |
| Shapeshifter | GAN900: isn't intel replacing nokia? ^^ | 17:08 |
| phryk | erani: weird, ill try to free the remaining 2mb :/ | 17:08 |
| hrw | Shapeshifter: you expected sane mailer in maemo? | 17:08 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | Shapeshifter: aren't there dozens of other mail clients you could possibly use? | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so version number was identical for leaked and current? | 17:08 |
| sivang | alterego: so I need to do work in between, 1.3 does not have a compatble qt sdk yet? | 17:08 |
| Shapeshifter | hrw: expect? no. have a glimmer of hope? yes | 17:08 |
| sivang | alterego: or madde cross compilation env or am I fuding? | 17:09 |
| erani | phryk: no rush, Scelt had only ~60mb free, but you'll have to remove two packages to do the update (if you have them installed) | 17:09 |
| alterego | sivang: should do in scratchbox, but no madde sysroot | 17:09 |
| sivang | alterego: ah I see, back to the good 'o days | 17:09 |
| phryk | erani: which ones? | 17:09 |
| Shapeshifter | KaffeeJunky123: not really. they're not made for mobile use. apart from the sent mail thing and the fact that you cannot select text when viewing an email, modest is okay. | 17:09 |
| Shapeshifter | at least for me | 17:09 |
| sivang | alterego: how did you confirm that, tried deploying from creator to the new 1.3 running image? | 17:09 |
| erani | phryk: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img | 17:09 |
| hrw | Shapeshifter: lose all hope the ones who use maemo - or sth like that wrote one guy eons ago... | 17:09 |
| Shapeshifter | ^^ | 17:09 |
| alterego | GAN900: do you think a lot of our frustration and ill will towards Nokia, in fact I don't have any, but most peoples is actually because, what other company can anyone say they've worked so hard and close to for the past 4 years? | 17:10 |
| erani | sorry, took some time to scroll the logs for those pkg names... | 17:10 |
| sivang | KaffeeJunky123: it is also quite slow | 17:10 |
| alterego | For a community. | 17:10 |
| frals | Shapeshifter: hold shift and select the text you want? | 17:10 |
| GAN900 | alterego, and what other company exists that manages to deliver a platform and product that's half as much as what Maemo is? | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, version number? meh, md5sums are equal | 17:10 |
| alterego | Maybe because I'm not interested, but does microsoft/MSDN ever do what Nokia have done for/with us? | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 17:10 |
| sivang | alterego: things aren't that bad. Maemo was and still provides the best development experience in my taste. | 17:10 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: !!! | 17:11 |
| sivang | re: openess and able to tinker with down stuff | 17:11 |
| lardman | Anyone have any working QtMobility QContact related code? | 17:11 |
| alterego | sivang: I don't think things are bad at all, I'm still having fun | 17:11 |
| Shapeshifter | frals: thanks! I didn't know about that :< | 17:11 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | sivang: as long as emacs runs on it :> | 17:11 |
| frals | MohammadAG: md5sum are broken afaik ;-) | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: your bug-bashing was a 110% success stroy it seems | 17:11 |
| erani | besides - you don't have to pay 99$ per year to develop on n900 \o/ | 17:11 |
| SpacedOut | If I upgrade to PR 1.3 do I loose the power kernel or do I wait for a new power kernel or what? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry* | 17:11 |
| alterego | I'm merely talking about GAN900's snipe at Nokia a minute ago :P | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | story* | 17:11 |
| phryk | erani: i have neither of those | 17:11 |
| sivang | it's just that this community has already gotten used to so high standards, that they like to affection-complain about stuff. | 17:11 |
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| erani | phryk: strange | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:11 |
| sivang | erani: right! | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 Official | 17:12 |
| phryk | erani: let me first try again | 17:12 |
| fcrochik | lardman: I have... mycontacts | 17:12 |
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| phryk | removed lots of packages on my way^^; | 17:12 |
| alterego | If I'd known that, I would have got the leaked ;) | 17:12 |
| Shapeshifter | mhh | 17:12 |
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| Shapeshifter | nokia will send you the source code of open source stuff used in maemo on CD if you request it by mail xD | 17:12 |
| Commander1024 | phryk, and most of them were solely on emmc card, I suppose | 17:12 |
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| alterego | When did the leak leak, it was only thursday last week wasn't it? | 17:13 |
| frals | Shapeshifter: np :) | 17:13 |
| Shapeshifter | I wonder if someone ever ordered one of those CDs. | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | frals, I'm thinking some other person (or company) is broken | 17:13 |
| hawaii_ | alterego, Oct 8th. | 17:13 |
| alterego | flashing n900 now | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | ffs | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | QTextBrowser has a bug in the leaked version | 17:13 |
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| MohammadAG | I hope it's because of it being compiled against 4.6.2 | 17:13 |
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| sivang | oh YEAH! | 17:13 |
| sivang | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8747 | 17:13 |
| povbot | Bug 8747: Ringing tone selector crashes Settings application | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, the image is dated week 36 | 17:13 |
| javispedro | XXX has a bug! | 17:14 |
| javispedro | ohnoes! | 17:14 |
| sivang | so this is what 1.3 i about! | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: could be fun to try :-) | 17:14 |
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| sivang | it is about my own precious bug that died some time ago...:-D | 17:14 |
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| sivang | thanks andre__ | 17:14 |
| * javispedro 's not getting any bugzilla spam, so... bad luck. | 17:14 | |
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| javispedro | "try again next PR!" | 17:14 |
| sivang | people, we should all agree it is fun to be here, right? | 17:15 |
| sivang | javispedro: HAHAHA | 17:15 |
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| MohammadAG | sivang, SDK update worked | 17:15 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: okay, then something was crapped here | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ask infobot about next PR, like ~pr1.4 and esp ~pr1.5 ! | 17:15 |
| GAN900 | sivang, hardly anymore. | 17:15 |
| Shapeshifter | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9963 lol nokia | 17:16 |
| povbot | Bug 9963: Geolocation status in IM stops working after connection problem | 17:16 |
| Shapeshifter | wontfix | 17:16 |
| lardman | fcrochik: ah, great, will take a look | 17:16 |
| erani | Shapeshifter: :D | 17:16 |
| Shapeshifter | "Not critical enough to fix in Maemo5" it's *broken* half of the time | 17:16 |
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| sivang | Shapeshifter: it is better to conceal your location, trust me. | 17:17 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | they're probably focusing on maemo6 | 17:17 |
| andre__ | sivang, sure :) | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | "We don't have any resources committed to improving Maemo. It's still supported, though!" | 17:17 |
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| javispedro | GAN900++ | 17:17 |
| jaska | "supported" | 17:17 |
| fcrochik | lardman: what are you looking for? | 17:17 |
| sivang | andre__: the problem is, I had some trouble reproducing after 1.2, I will try harder after 1.3 | 17:17 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | you've the source code, so there are chances the community will fix it | 17:17 |
| GAN900 | jaska, clearly the issue. | 17:17 |
| lardman | fcrochik: adding a new contact | 17:17 |
| sivang | andre__: I wish we could add automatic regression testing for that | 17:18 |
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| lardman | fcrochik: I'm parsing MECARDs decoded from QR code barcodes and trying to add them to the db | 17:18 |
| sivang | andre__: I mean, it is quite expansive to find out those things, so once we found it, it is better to memorate it for eternity | 17:18 |
| fcrochik | lardman: I haven't tried that... mycontacts is "readonly" | 17:18 |
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| GAN900 | KaffeeJunky123, depends. We don't have source for many things. | 17:18 |
| lardman | fcrochik: ok, well at least I can see how you got the correct QContactManager backend | 17:18 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | GAN900: that's pretty stupid then ^^ | 17:19 |
| lardman | rather than just trying each in turn until one works which is my current method | 17:19 |
| fcrochik | lardman: cool idea! there is an example on git ...can't remember where I saw | 17:19 |
| jaska | disable agps?:D | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | where's the friggin changelog to convince me I want pr1.3? | 17:19 |
| lardman | fcrochik: yeah I'm using an example I found, but I get an error, so thought I'd try to use something that is proven to work | 17:19 |
| Shapeshifter | sivang: how so? | 17:19 |
| fcrochik | lardman: that is the easy part....just use the default constructor.... there is only one backend for the n900... maemo5 | 17:20 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer: it's far snappier, that alone is worth it | 17:20 |
| Shapeshifter | sivang: all people in my jabber contacts are people I know personally. and I'm not that paranoid about anything else | 17:20 |
| lardman | fcrochik: ah ok | 17:20 |
| sivang | Shapeshifter: kidding :) | 17:20 |
| sivang | Shapeshifter: I personally don't like to share location, that's all | 17:20 |
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| GAN900 | andre__, has your job description been changed to "For the purpose of posterity" yet? :P | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: sorry when I have a hard time believing in that | 17:20 |
| fcrochik | lardman: you won't find the souce code for mycontats on the repository but feel free to let me know and I will get you whatever I have | 17:20 |
| lardman | np :D | 17:20 |
| lardman | fcrochik: ok cheers | 17:21 |
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| andre__ | GAN900: what job description? I thought I'd simply s/maemo/meego :-P | 17:21 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: from a qt pov it might be very well be snappier (qt4.7) | 17:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: are you sure this "much snappier" claim isn't caused by mere fact of reflashing clean, or simply removing cruft pkgs? | 17:22 |
| lardman | Docscrutinizer: I did OTA | 17:22 |
| * MohammadAG hates human psychology | 17:22 | |
| lardman | and only removed a couple of packages to clear some space, none of which run all the time | 17:22 |
| MohammadAG | why? cause it's shit | 17:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | it doesn't feel snappier to me | 17:23 |
| xDaReaperx | PR 1.3 yay ! | 17:23 |
| GAN900 | andre__, yeah, but they have Intel people to do your job in MeeGo. :P | 17:23 |
| * MohammadAG remembers when someone said his device felt snappier cause of OCing, checked their device, it was @ 600MHz | 17:23 | |
| xDaReaperx | how will i know when the update comes on my phone ? | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | he only thought it was OC'd, and so, it felt snapper | 17:23 |
| lardman | Shapeshifter: oh, oh well | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ACK!! | 17:23 |
| maybeWTF | MohammadAG: so the trick is to underclock? | 17:23 |
| andre__ | GAN900: yeah, but they suck as much as the Nokians sucked ;-) | 17:23 |
| VladNistor | I'm using fapman for the upgrade, hope there won't be any issues | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybeWTF: the trick is age old and called placebo | 17:24 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | Intel people | 17:24 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | they're focused on their platform only | 17:24 |
| sivang | andre__: I should talk to timo and vilvo probably right? :) | 17:24 |
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| KaffeeJunky123 | doubt they'll do anything about arm | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | no tricks, our brains are shit | 17:24 |
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| Stskeeps | andre__: well, at least it seems like your subversive methods are having an effect :) | 17:24 |
| * MohammadAG replaces brain with a core i7 | 17:24 | |
| KaffeeJunky123 | don't do it | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | registry optimizers (WinShit) using this 'trick' all the time | 17:25 |
| VladNistor | i wouldn't do that MohammadAG, it can't program itself :)) | 17:25 |
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| Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: our brains are quite good. they're just bad at maths. | 17:25 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, doesn't https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 need a comment of yours :) | 17:25 |
| povbot | Bug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts | 17:25 |
| hrw | VladNistor: I am using good old apt-get ;D | 17:25 |
| andre__ | sivang: no idea who those both actually are, sorry :) | 17:25 |
| hrw | VladNistor: in remote ssh session | 17:25 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: didn't work for me, auctually those crappy tools tend to make windoze even slower | 17:25 |
| sivang | andre__: qa people. nevermind :) | 17:25 |
| GAN900 | andre__, yeah, convincing they're managers of that is problematic, though. | 17:25 |
| KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: switching to gnu/linux helped though | 17:26 |
| andre__ | sivang, maybe I have seen them of some list but not on a public mailinglist yet. but they are welcome to ;-) | 17:26 |
| VladNistor | hrw, yeah, that should work too. I think fapman doesn't store it's stuff on the small rootfs, so i shouldn't run into the issues some people are having with connecting to a pc | 17:26 |
| sivang | andre__: right, I was just looking for meeg-qa ml and failed | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | uhm | 17:27 |
| Shapeshifter | fapman *giggle* | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | there's meego-qa@ | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | and it just had a shitload of qa reports posted | 17:27 |
| andre__ | sivang: so let's take over. I don't care if people have some position on a paper. It's what you *do* and act ;-) | 17:27 |
| patrakov | hi. while trying to work around the "flacs are not seekable" bug, I installed decibel-audio-player (from the official tarball) and all its dependencies | 17:27 |
| andre__ | it's a great time for that. many things still to define :) | 17:28 |
| hrw | VladNistor: to tell the truth tricks which fapman does makes me want to hack fapman to stop doing it | 17:28 |
| andre__ | Stskeeps, one intel person even answers part of my question on that mailing list (and doesn't answer a few others) | 17:28 |
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| alterego | tmo seems to be back | 17:29 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, Re 10294: Right. but I wonder what to do as 50% are WONTFIX and 50% are FIXED :-P | 17:29 |
| patrakov | problem: it crashes on startup, unless I unset GTK2_RC_FILES. Any existing bug on that? How to debug? | 17:29 |
| sivang | andre__: okay, thanks :) | 17:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: tmo maybe found some time to answer your request - that doesn't mean it's 'back' | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, add a FIXED...NOT option to bugzilla | 17:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:30 |
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| hrw | another 20 packages to install... | 17:30 |
| sivang | andre__: and nice to see you around, are you coming to meego-conf? | 17:30 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: you mean NOTABUGFORNOKIA? | 17:30 |
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| maybeWTF | KOWABUNGA? | 17:30 |
| chem|st | turtles rule! | 17:31 |
| hrw | or just WEDONOTCAREMAYBEINMEEGO | 17:31 |
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| sivang | hrw: that'll be better, at least fo rthe community | 17:31 |
| chem|st | WEDONTSPEAKNOAMERICANO | 17:31 |
| javispedro | heh | 17:31 |
| andre__ | sivang, yepp. I even have a talk on MeeGo bugtriaging, but on Wednesday morning and after a party evening. I have the naive hope that some "MeeGo QA" people will attend so one could discuss | 17:32 |
| hrw | sivang: but community uses devices which will not be supported in nokiameego | 17:32 |
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| hrw | ok, fingers crossed. rebooting n900 | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | andre__: abandon all hope | 17:32 |
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| hrw | sivang: so maemo5 bugs can be fixed or ignored. mostly are ignored | 17:33 |
| sivang | andre__: well, even if not,I have some hopes for my talk to create some traction and discussion, qa should be one of the subjects, although there are already quite some :) | 17:33 |
| sivang | hrw: some of the wontfix are sad, indeed. | 17:33 |
| sivang | the upgrade one the most for me.. | 17:33 |
| hrw | ~hail wdgt_bd_done | 17:34 |
| * infobot bows down to wdgt_bd_done and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" | 17:34 | |
| andre__ | sivang, when is yours? | 17:34 |
| sivang | as it is used as mockery of the platform by other platform owners | 17:34 |
| hrw | my phone lost l10n | 17:34 |
| sivang | andre__: wed as well I think | 17:34 |
| andre__ | yay | 17:34 |
| hrw | wdgt_va_ago_minutes | 17:34 |
| sivang | andre__: and I have timeless to keep me realisitc :) | 17:35 |
| VladNistor | hrw, talking about fapman, it stopped after downloading 600/1021 packages | 17:35 |
| sivang | andre__: actually, it would help if you could come and provide you view of things, to be recorded and documented | 17:35 |
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| sivang | andre__: check the abstrac,t I don't want to log into the site too many times form here:) | 17:35 |
| * hrw goes to change cpal_fi_pr_device_language | 17:36 | |
| javispedro | WHAT. THE. | 17:37 |
| hrw | ok, have a nice time /me -> other uds session | 17:37 |
| javispedro | libgls1-sgx-img is broken again in this PR? | 17:37 |
| javispedro | (I did not try but already getting PMs about it...) | 17:37 |
| hawaii_ | Define broken. | 17:37 |
| javispedro | mismatched version with sgx-img-common | 17:37 |
| X-Fade | javispedro: Every update will break apps. As it has strict dependencies. | 17:37 |
| javispedro | (uninstallable package) | 17:37 |
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| hawaii_ | Yes. | 17:38 |
| javispedro | X-Fade: the issue is that, not being part of the core image, its version number "falls behind". until someone realizes and bumps it, that is. | 17:38 |
| hawaii_ | Are we talking post or pre update? | 17:38 |
| javispedro | post-update | 17:38 |
| hawaii_ | Yes, it is broken. | 17:38 |
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| javispedro | hah | 17:39 |
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| * javispedro prepares for the eventual PM flood, creates gmail filter for @tmo stuff | 17:39 | |
| tybollt | is there any speculation as to N900 NG what it'll be and when it is due? | 17:39 |
| tybollt | there was a (obviously fake) pic floating around... | 17:39 |
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| hawaii_ | NIT NG? or what? | 17:40 |
| hawaii_ | the N9 builds "off" the N900 | 17:40 |
| hawaii_ | E7-style device, N900-style internals. | 17:40 |
| xDaReaperx | i got this maemo 5 update shown on my mobile should i update guys ? | 17:40 |
| xDaReaperx | or charge my battery and update | 17:41 |
| sivang | anyway, off to freeswitch | 17:41 |
| tybollt | hawaii_: URL? :) | 17:42 |
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| hawaii_ | IRL. | 17:42 |
| xDaReaperx | anyone ? | 17:42 |
| tybollt | xDaReaperx: having a fully charged battery prior to updating is always a good idea - good on you. | 17:42 |
| xDaReaperx | ok ty | 17:42 |
| xDaReaperx | should i update from the mobile | 17:42 |
| xDaReaperx | or use flasher ? | 17:43 |
| tybollt | sure, why not | 17:43 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 17:43 |
| tybollt | try OTA first | 17:43 |
| xDaReaperx | cause i read elsewhere you need vanilla emcc or something | 17:43 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 17:43 |
| xDaReaperx | i can install meego later right ? | 17:43 |
| tybollt | sure you can | 17:43 |
| jarkkom | was there any kind of official changelog for pr1.3? | 17:43 |
| xDaReaperx | ok ty | 17:44 |
| tybollt | jarkkom: everyone's asking, so far nothing... | 17:44 |
| tybollt | <-- official FAQ engine today... :-/ | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: thanks for that :-) | 17:44 |
| lcuk | <danielwilms> Venemo_N810: hey, the changelog is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 17:45 |
| danielwilms | BTW: hi lcuk | 17:45 |
| danielwilms | ;) | 17:45 |
| lcuk | \o | 17:46 |
| * lcuk been busy today | 17:46 | |
| dolp | is there any details about that dualboot option thing? | 17:46 |
| alterego | I was actually just about to test kexec ;) | 17:46 |
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| hawaii_ | Has work not shifted to uBoot? | 17:47 |
| sivang | alterego: ooo | 17:47 |
| * sivang hopes for the 1.3 changelog to come soon | 17:47 | |
| jarkkom | too bad there isn't qt mobility 1.1 yet for n900 as that would've added map widget to qt :| | 17:47 |
| SpacedOut | If I upgrade to PR 1.3 do I loose the power kernel or do I wait for a new power kernel or what? | 17:47 |
| sivang | but maybe it can be accessed from the HAM? | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | dolp: dualboot as in meego is done via chainloading uBoot bootloader. It's not related to kexec | 17:47 |
| * lcuk ponders | 17:47 | |
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| sivang | sorry for being blank (just say yes!) but what's the power kernel? | 17:47 |
| oshin | nokia sucks | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell sivang about pr1.3 | 17:48 |
| alterego | sivang: custom kernel that allows overclocking and has other stuff | 17:48 |
| dos1 | upgrade to 1.3 from FAM should be safe, yes? | 17:48 |
| alterego | Apparently already had working kexec | 17:48 |
| oshin | better nuke maemo and stick with nitdroid or meego | 17:48 |
| rmrfchik | my favivourite bug with l10n is not fixed | 17:48 |
| SpacedOut | sivang: The custom kernel with IPv6 and ext4 etc. | 17:48 |
| oshin | they don't bother fixing silly bug that block the usage for my people | 17:48 |
| oshin | and don't release the source | 17:48 |
| oshin | stupid company with stupid engineers | 17:48 |
| * oshin gets away | 17:49 | |
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| javispedro | dos1: it is better to use application manager -- it will work nevertheless. | 17:49 |
| alterego | oshin: you're a nokia employee?! | 17:49 |
| * chem|st patches tybollt with PR1.3 now available at tablets-dev.nokia.com | 17:50 | |
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| dolp | eMMC image going to be updated? (tablets-dev.nokia.com) | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell dolp about flashing | 17:52 |
| tybollt | wonder why DocScrutinizer does ~tell tybollt to GTFO all the time :( | 17:53 |
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| tybollt | ;) | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: ??? | 17:53 |
| dolp | doc ok :) | 17:53 |
| Gh0sty | is it "normal" that sometimes while charging the orange led does not blink? :/ | 17:53 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I was just joking around... never mind :) | 17:53 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: I've a terrible sense of humour | 17:54 |
| GAN900 | Gh0sty, usually means it's not actually charging. | 17:54 |
| frals | oshin: yeah, blame the engineers, its probably their fault....... | 17:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | sivang: I have to say the linked URL isn't a proper changelog either | 17:54 |
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| Commander1024 | hmm, running the update via shell on an ssh session is much more convenient, and it doesnt complain about leeching it via umts or because of package conflicts | 17:55 |
| javispedro | or emergency charging | 17:55 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: noted | 17:56 |
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| Appiah | ~PR1.3 | 17:58 |
| infobot | pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 17:58 |
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| Arkenoi | any known conflicts for pr1.3? ussd widget? advanced kernel? | 17:58 |
| rlinfati | Arkenoi, libqt4-test | 18:00 |
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| Gh0sty | GAN900: it is charging, if i look at the screen it shows the battery icon as charging ... | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: MUHAHA | 18:00 |
| Gh0sty | what? :p | 18:00 |
| Gh0sty | ghosts in the machine? :p | 18:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover | 18:00 |
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| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 18:00 |
| ArGGu^^ | Since when upgrading the firmware over ssu requires PC Suite | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | yay | 18:00 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: since you have packages in conflict or not enough space | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | QTextBrowser broken even when using 1.3 SDK, nice, it was working on 1.2 and now they broke it | 18:00 |
| * MohammadAG cba to open a bug | 18:00 | |
| alterego | Heh | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | won't be fixed | 18:00 |
| ArGGu^^ | chem|st well then I must have conflict with packages | 18:00 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: come on, of course it will PR1.4 ftw! | 18:00 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: qt4 testing and gles-sdx | 18:00 |
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| ArGGu^^ | I have not installed none of those | 18:00 |
| oshin | frals, for being too stupid to fix a silly bug they invented in PR1.2 and my device can't sms anymore yes, i can blame them. | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, meh | 18:01 |
| chem|st | uninstall some devel and testing apps... | 18:01 |
| oshin | says, SMS | 18:01 |
| ArGGu^^ | I only have apps from the extra | 18:01 |
| sivang | oshin: ah? what kindof bug? | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, what's up with infobot and services | 18:01 |
| sivang | oshin: why does it stop SMS? | 18:01 |
| oshin | sivang, text input mess up for my language. | 18:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 18:02 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks | 18:02 |
| oshin | sivang, and I reported a bug a few months ago | 18:02 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: then it is space | 18:02 |
| ArGGu^^ | Just rembered I have one app that is not from maemo repos | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | W*T*F?? | 18:02 |
| oshin | #10747 | 18:02 |
| kerio | hmm, how do i update with a half-broken usb port? | 18:02 |
| kerio | :3 | 18:03 |
| chem|st | kerio: wifi? | 18:03 |
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| frals | oshin: yes, this is surely all nokia engineers fault, they are all idiots, lets burn em | 18:03 |
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| kerio | chem|st: good point | 18:03 |
| kerio | but i updated libsdl | 18:03 |
| kerio | so i'm not sure if that will work | 18:03 |
| * chem|st hands matches to oshin | 18:03 | |
| oshin | frals, I didn't say all. | 18:04 |
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| frals | 17:48:59 < oshin> stupid company with stupid engineers | 18:04 |
| oshin | see there's no all in that | 18:04 |
| frals | theres no word indicating anyone specific either | 18:05 |
| lcuk | ^^^^^ frals is a nokia engineer and one of the worlds leading MMS developers :P | 18:05 |
| oshin | frals, then it's your problem. | 18:05 |
| oshin | frals, and like I care. | 18:05 |
| phryk | maah wtf | 18:05 |
| * kerio hugs frals | 18:05 | |
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| phryk | i can't update because the sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is fucked up | 18:05 |
| frals | *sigh* | 18:05 |
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| phryk | and not the repos i added, but the ones that are there by default o_O | 18:06 |
| frals | oshin: please take your nokia complains to nokia care, they are happy to hear them | 18:06 |
| fcrochik | I just started a "apt-get dist-upgrade".... am I going to regret it? | 18:06 |
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| Shapeshifter | fcrochik: maybe | 18:06 |
| frals | fcrochik: if you have devel/testing enabled you might | 18:06 |
| oshin | frals, no, i won't, coz that's the reason why i will stop spending time with maemo | 18:06 |
| hawaii_ | Probably. | 18:06 |
| fcrochik | frals: I surely do! | 18:06 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: depends on the active repos | 18:07 |
| frals | fcrochik: chances are you will regret it then :) | 18:07 |
| chem|st | frals: with sdk active sure he will | 18:07 |
| ArGGu^^ | chem|st remove amsn but still wants pc suite, I have 25,69gb free for my docs and for apps 1,55gb free | 18:07 |
| fcrochik | frals: great! I assume trying to stop will be even worst, right? | 18:07 |
| kerio | oshin: so please do that | 18:07 |
| javispedro | kerio: you did what to libsdl? | 18:07 |
| frals | oshin: please dont complain in the maemo community channel then | 18:07 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: and / | 18:07 |
| kerio | javispedro: updated it | 18:07 |
| jarkkom | looks like PR1.3 finally fixed my Ovi suite on my win7 64bit machines | 18:07 |
| frals | fcrochik: dunno, im no expert, just going on past mistakes ;D | 18:07 |
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| oshin | kerio, i don't care | 18:08 |
| phryk | can someone tell me what to put there instead of "./" ? i tried "fremantle-1.2 free non-free" but that did not work | 18:08 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: if it is still downloading just ctrl-c it | 18:08 |
| * Arkenoi just never used ovi suite | 18:08 | |
| javispedro | kerio: is it changed? O.o /me faints | 18:08 |
| oshin | frals, i can sure don't care to leave my last words | 18:08 |
| fcrochik | chem|st: no...that is the problem ...it has removed a lot of stuff already | 18:08 |
| t_s_o | forum taking a beating? | 18:08 |
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| frals | you seem to care a lot for someone whos not caring :) | 18:08 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: what was the install size? | 18:08 |
| chem|st | or dl size? | 18:08 |
| fcrochik | chem|st: don't remember but was a "lot" | 18:09 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: 84MB? | 18:09 |
| ArGGu^^ | chem|st 85.7mb | 18:09 |
| ArGGu^^ | in / | 18:09 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: free? | 18:09 |
| ArGGu^^ | yes | 18:09 |
| RST38h | what is the ssu package name? | 18:10 |
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| fcrochik | chem|st: no idea....it is still removing... :( | 18:10 |
| RST38h | anyone knows? | 18:10 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: then I dont know why it is requesting suite upgrade | 18:10 |
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| kerio | should SSU just automagically work? | 18:10 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: screwed... but there is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 18:10 |
| ArGGu^^ | chem|st ok thanks for help | 18:10 |
| hawaii_ | yes, SSU should "just work". | 18:10 |
| fcrochik | chem|st: one day I will learn to ask the question first.... | 18:11 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: while it is deleting and upgrading let backup run | 18:11 |
| Khertan | <chem|st> <<-- probably a conflicting package | 18:11 |
| fcrochik | chem|st: I ran backup first...at least! | 18:11 |
| Khertan | libqt4-test is one possible | 18:11 |
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| chem|st | Khertan: is that in extras? | 18:12 |
| Khertan | just read what it s say in the details about which are the conflicting package | 18:12 |
| Khertan | chem|st, probably not | 18:12 |
| chem|st | answered yourself | 18:12 |
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| Gh0sty | ooh an update for maemo 5 :i | 18:12 |
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| Gh0sty | pr 1.3 is out ? :o | 18:12 |
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| Khertan | chem|st, lol | 18:12 |
| chem|st | Gh0sty: you are one of the faster people arent you? | 18:12 |
| fcrochik | it seems to be removing EVERY package on the device, including ALL applications | 18:12 |
| Khertan | nawak | 18:13 |
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| chem|st | fcrochik: at least anything with hildon or osso in its name... | 18:13 |
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| fcrochik | chem|st: not just....every application (including the ones I created :( ) | 18:13 |
| xDaReaperx | Does the PR.13 show any changes ? like the browser loads faster ? | 18:13 |
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| chem|st | xDaReaperx: still removing stuff from flashing | 18:14 |
| alterego | everything seems the same to me | 18:14 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 18:14 |
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| xDaReaperx | yeah must be only bug fixes | 18:14 |
| fcrochik | GREAT NEWS! yes! yes.... the phone just crashed! :( | 18:14 |
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| xDaReaperx | will the MohammadAG's better kinetic scrolling interfere with the update ? | 18:14 |
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| MohammadAG | no, it'll just remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 18:15 |
| xDaReaperx | ok ty | 18:15 |
| alterego | hahah | 18:15 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 18:15 |
| chem|st | xDaReaperx: at first view it seems to be a bit more responsive when on load | 18:15 |
| felipec | so there are no release notes? | 18:15 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah the browser starts up faster | 18:15 |
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| xDaReaperx | i think | 18:15 |
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| alterego | I really don't notice a difference .. | 18:16 |
| chem|st | felipec: no | 18:16 |
| ArGGu^^ | chem|st in the updates details in summary tab also is that it needs PC Suite | 18:16 |
| chem|st | felipec: at least not for devices | 18:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oshin: this is a cmmunity channel - send a mail to Nokia if you want to shout at them or let them know you're pissed. We dn't care and can't help | 18:16 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: what does the installs show? | 18:17 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Should I remove the generic-pr package before installing PR1.3? | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | o_O | 18:17 |
| MohammadAG | how are you installing it? | 18:17 |
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| ArGGu^^ | chem|st there is not installs tab :S | 18:17 |
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| ahynes1 | Has anyone tested PR 1.3 with power-kernel multiboot and or nitdroid? | 18:17 |
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| oshin | DocScrutinizer, I won't send one, I don't even bother with that anymore why you? | 18:18 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: I still do not have it showing up in the HAM, but going to do it with apt-get install | 18:18 |
| oshin | just let it go coz I already gave up. | 18:18 |
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| ArGGu^^ | chem|st found the reason the is problems tab and it has conflict with libgles1-sqx-img | 18:18 |
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| kerio | so... where's the ssu | 18:19 |
| chem|st | ArGGu^^: that I told you at the beginning | 18:19 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, you'll need to downgrade all 5 packages first | 18:19 |
| oshin | not that I never sent, must let you know, they don't bother, actually i should sue them if I have time. so I let you know so you don't waste time suggesting anyone to do that. | 18:19 |
| ArGGu^^ | chem|st yeah but why I have somtehing like that installed :S | 18:19 |
| oshin | they don't care my problem. | 18:19 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: could you pastebin necessary lines? | 18:19 |
| ArGGu^^ | *something | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, sedc | 18:19 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 18:19 |
| felipec | DocScrutinizer: there are some Nokia people here who do care | 18:19 |
| felipec | oshin: I don't know what's your problem, but if you reported a bug "a few months" ago, that was probably too late for PR1.3 | 18:20 |
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| ahynes1 | Can anyone who has updated to PR 1.3 post the results of uname -a here? | 18:20 |
| kerio | oh shit 93mb of archives | 18:20 |
| kerio | is that right? | 18:20 |
| kerio | guys, help me here | 18:20 |
| chem|st | kerio: yeah the pr itself is about 84 | 18:20 |
| kerio | can i just upgrade with apt? | 18:21 |
| felipec | ahynes1: Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown | 18:21 |
| MohammadAG | ahynes1, August 6 if that's what you want | 18:21 |
| chem|st | try ham first | 18:21 |
| oshin | felipec, 3 months ago, my bad then | 18:21 |
| kerio | ham doesn't let me :( | 18:21 |
| ahynes1 | felipec: That's what I was looking for... | 18:21 |
| chem|st | what does it say? | 18:21 |
| chem|st | kerio: use pc-suite? | 18:22 |
| kerio | chem|st: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH | 18:22 |
| felipec | oshin: no, it's not your fault, there just wasn't much time to fix that when your bug was posted | 18:22 |
| xDaReaperx | i'm using PC suit | 18:22 |
| ahynes1 | Looks like it doesn't anything substantial the kernel, still 2.6.28 so power-kernel and nitdroid *should* still work. | 18:22 |
| kerio | if i could flash i'd just flash | 18:22 |
| chem|st | kerio: what? if yes you have a conflicting package | 18:22 |
| felipec | oshin: anyway, I recommend you contact Nokia customer support | 18:23 |
| oshin | felipec, thanks, I did, several time | 18:23 |
| chem|st | libgles1-sgx-img and qt4-test conflict | 18:23 |
| oshin | see? I should sue them. | 18:24 |
| oshin | but i won't waste my time. | 18:24 |
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| oshin | coz I don't use SMS | 18:24 |
| chem|st | oshin: what is it about anyway? | 18:24 |
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| oshin | but the rest of others who were cheated | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | pastebin.com down? :P | 18:24 |
| oshin | chem|st, forget about it. don't bother. let it goes, like river. | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yMQvkDF8 | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | that should do it I suppose | 18:25 |
| RST38h | Thanks, Mohammad! =) | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | oshin: maybe we could fix this problem n community? | 18:25 |
| MohammadAG | if not, I'll need to get you the packages from my old SDK :) | 18:25 |
| kerio | where should SSU appear, really? | 18:25 |
| kerio | apt tells me there are a thousand upgrades | 18:25 |
| jacekowski | some people already had it | 18:26 |
| RST38h | Will try once I get home from work, looks like US still has not got PR1.3 | 18:26 |
| oshin | DocScrutinizer, I wasn't sure, there's no source. Thanks for a lot of your helps in the past I really appreciate them. | 18:26 |
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| jani | funny thing, tmo is not the fastest webserver today =) | 18:26 |
| oshin | may be they need to learn a lesson for not to buy nokia product. | 18:26 |
| ahynes1 | apt tells me I have 1042 packages to upgrade... I'm about to try an OTA upgrade. Worked nicely when I went from 1.1 to 1.2 | 18:26 |
| chem|st | kerio: apt-get remove libgles1-sgx* qt4-test | 18:26 |
| javispedro | oshin: sue sue! | 18:26 |
| chem|st | kerio: and look into ham again | 18:27 |
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| cosmos | hi | 18:27 |
| cosmos | any armel developpers there? | 18:27 |
| oshin | javispedro, there are a few more important stuffs I need to spend time in court. | 18:27 |
| oshin | javispedro, may be if this happen again in my life, i will. | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | oshin: I might want to have a look into it. Is there any bug report where it's precisely described how to reproduce the issue? | 18:28 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, is there a way to set background colour explicitly? | 18:28 |
| oshin | DocScrutinizer, #10747 | 18:28 |
| lcuk | oshin, bug 10747 you mean | 18:28 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10747 Corrupted Thai text in conversation input box when using backspace. | 18:28 |
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| oshin | lcuk, yes. | 18:28 |
| lcuk | please use the bugbot correctly it helps people know what you are waffling about | 18:28 |
| * DocScrutinizer .oO("maybe related to SMS PDU") | 18:28 | |
| alterego | MohammadAG: setStylesheet('background-color: #000000'); | 18:28 |
| kerio | oshin: so don't make mistakes :) | 18:28 |
| ArGGu^^ | chem|st got it now to upgrade the libgles1 was in tuxrace depends, so thats whyt it was installed. Thanks for the help. | 18:29 |
| oshin | kerio, practically it is impossible to do that. | 18:29 |
| cosmos | How to modify Makefile to compile armel? | 18:29 |
| cosmos | What are the cflags? | 18:29 |
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| xDaReaperx | i'm connecting the n900 using cable and through PC suit , my PC suit also detects the phone , but it keeps telling me to update the device you must use PC suit on your PC | 18:31 |
| pronto | is it worth it to upgrade to pr 1.3? | 18:31 |
| ahynes1 | rst38h: I'm doing an OTA pr 1.3 in the U.S. as we speak | 18:32 |
| RST38h | pronto: no, stay with PR1.0 | 18:32 |
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| RST38h | ahynes1: Does not let me do it | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, without using styleSheets | 18:32 |
| pronto | eh? 1.0? :/ | 18:32 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: what's wrong with stylesheets? | 18:32 |
| RST38h | ahynes1: do you know the exact package name by any chance? | 18:32 |
| RST38h | alterego: they are evil? | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | อาอา อาอา อาอ hmmm | 18:32 |
| sivang | RST38h: he's just a bit irritated :) | 18:32 |
| sivang | oops | 18:32 |
| sivang | pronto: ^^ | 18:32 |
| RST38h | alterego: They do not show up in Lynx? | 18:32 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: well: hang on, I'll mock up a pastie as it's a couple of line worth | 18:32 |
| sivang | pronto: you can upgrade, but not sure what the result will be, handle with care (tm) | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 18:33 |
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| oshin | DocScrutinizer, note that in my language it's Ah, Ah, Ahhhhh, hmmm | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | brb | 18:33 |
| sivang | pronto: some of us had some tinkering to be done after the upgrade, or before | 18:33 |
| ahynes1 | RST38h: I'm doing it from the command line: sudo apt-get upgrade | 18:33 |
| sivang | some conflicting packages, et al | 18:33 |
| Milhouse | Probably mentioned already but the PR1.3 images are now up on tablet-dev | 18:33 |
| sivang | ~tell pronto 1.3 | 18:34 |
| RST38h | ahynes: ok | 18:34 |
| ahynes1 | Phase one is giving me 242 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 75 to remove and 802 not upgraded. | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oshin: this is definitely not occurring in any other txt input field, just conversations? | 18:34 |
| sivang | ~tell | 18:34 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/1247564 | 18:34 |
| alterego | Something liek that | 18:34 |
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| ahynes1 | This is actually from removing a bad app. Next, I'll do apt-get dist-upgrade to get the remaining 802 packages. | 18:34 |
| sivang | ~tell pronto about pr1.3 | 18:35 |
| oshin | DocScrutinizer, yes, just the conversation | 18:35 |
| sivang | hmm, I am not godo at this | 18:35 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, ty, rebooting | 18:35 |
| oshin | DocScrutinizer, may be something to do with the smiley support | 18:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | quite reasonable assumption | 18:36 |
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| sivang | alterego: what's that brush doing? | 18:36 |
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| * alterego installs his scratchbox targets | 18:36 | |
| ml-something | hmm | 18:36 |
| alterego | sivang: setting the background color of the widget :) | 18:36 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: oh, and you need widget->setAutoFillBackground(true) | 18:37 |
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| RST38h | Ahahaha | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Apparently, "I live in United Kingdom" | 18:37 |
| RST38h | And not getting PR1.3 | 18:37 |
| alterego | RST38h: cool, come visit me ::) | 18:37 |
| RST38h | Yea, right | 18:37 |
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| javispedro | RST38h: You have always lived in Oceania! | 18:37 |
| javispedro | RST38h: and the enemy has always been Eurasia! | 18:38 |
| alterego | RST38h: just download the image from tablets-dev? Or do you want OTA specifically? | 18:38 |
| jacekowski | i want OTA | 18:38 |
| RST38h | don't want to flash if I can | 18:38 |
| sivang | alterego: hackish! | 18:38 |
| sivang | :) | 18:38 |
| alterego | Meh, I flashed, screwed up my background image and icons, oh and my wifi ap configs | 18:38 |
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| sivang | alterego: wifi config just changed name, gconf editing fixed it | 18:39 |
| alterego | sivang, well, it's _the_ way to do it without stylesheets :P | 18:39 |
| lolloo | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ubuntu-moves-away-gnome | 18:39 |
| alterego | Oh, right | 18:39 |
| sivang | alterego: as in, the recommended way? | 18:39 |
| alterego | sivang: yup | 18:39 |
| sivang | alterego: now that I think of it, I forgot how I edited it- | 18:39 |
| sivang | alterego: there's a terminal binary for gconf to edit | 18:39 |
| chem|st | alterego: the backup program stores all that in settings... | 18:40 |
| * sivang wonders why it changes names | 18:40 | |
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| macmaN | greets allz | 18:40 |
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| alterego | Anyone got a sysroot for PR1.3 then? For madde? | 18:41 |
| kerio | hmm, maybe i disabled SSU somehow? | 18:42 |
| macmaN | is there any reason to assume RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin md5sum is not correct in the MD5SUMS file? | 18:42 |
| macmaN | downloaded it twice now, both checksums are different | 18:42 |
| alterego | macmaN: your download is crap? :) | 18:42 |
| dolp | alterego: i'd like that too.. | 18:43 |
| kerio | macmaN: third time's the charm! | 18:43 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:43 |
| macmaN | PR_COMBINED came through correct | 18:43 |
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| macmaN | i'm currently trying to solve the red cross sim icon | 18:43 |
| Commander1024 | is there a howto / hint how to enable and setup meego 1.1 multiboot? | 18:43 |
| macmaN | after today's v20 update went half way and then failed on me | 18:43 |
| macmaN | i'm assuming i need to flash back to fresh 1.2 now | 18:44 |
| chem|st | macmaN: pr1.3 is available to flash | 18:44 |
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| kerio | so... | 18:45 |
| kerio | no upgrades available in HAM | 18:45 |
| kerio | the fuck, ham | 18:45 |
| ahynes1 | Commander1024: I'm doing an OTA upgrade right now. Then I'll see if I can get MeeGo to do anthing. | 18:45 |
| macmaN | chem|st: at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? | 18:45 |
| kerio | apt tells me i can upgrade 1000 packages | 18:45 |
| chem|st | macmaN: yes | 18:45 |
| ahynes1 | I've already installed MeeGo and done chroots to it, but haven't been successful with anything more. | 18:45 |
| chem|st | kerio: have you got tuxracer installed? | 18:45 |
| ahynes1 | (Although I am multibooting NitDroid nicely) | 18:45 |
| kerio | no i haven't | 18:45 |
| chem|st | any other gles game? | 18:46 |
| kerio | but i did have to remove a metapackage | 18:46 |
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| kerio | to upgrade libsdl1.2-mixer | 18:46 |
| macmaN | chem|st: what the hell, i didnt see them in the list like 2 hours ago :) | 18:46 |
| chem|st | macmaN: they are there for now about 45min | 18:46 |
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| _berto_ | macmaN: 488809ff96a0a05479d692e9f77aeb4f | 18:47 |
| _berto_ | isn't it correct? | 18:47 |
| chem|st | kerio: I think the sdl1 is also conflicint | 18:47 |
| chem|st | ing | 18:47 |
| kerio | then fuck this shit | 18:47 |
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| chem|st | hehe | 18:47 |
| kerio | i really need to fix this port | 18:47 |
| macmaN | chem|st: lol, amazing things happen while you step out to the supermarket to get ben&jerrys | 18:47 |
| kerio | :< | 18:47 |
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| _berto_ | I have the file in my hd and both sums match | 18:47 |
| chem|st | macmaN: not only then! | 18:47 |
| macmaN | _berto_: did you generate that md5 from test download? | 18:47 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, used styleSheet after all lol | 18:47 |
| _berto_ | macmaN: I had already downloaded that file some time ago | 18:48 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: :P | 18:49 |
| macmaN | _berto_: right... well yeah that checksum is correct but im getting different ones, i have no idea how bits get mangled during downloading | 18:49 |
| macmaN | _berto_: i'm downloading PR1.3 now anyway | 18:49 |
| chem|st | kerio: just uninstall some of the larger (in terms of program not size) programs | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nonsense | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uninstalling optifies stuff won't help | 18:52 |
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| Aranel | How much free space do I need to install PR1.3 ? | 18:55 |
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| Aranel | fyi, I got ~23 megabytes :| It's quite low. | 18:55 |
| hawaii_ | Maybe you could try and see if it'll work? | 18:55 |
| hawaii_ | Learning on your own is a fabulous way to learn. | 18:55 |
| Aranel | hawaii_: tried, It doesn't. | 18:55 |
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| * hardaker crosses fingers and sips his coffee | 18:56 | |
| hawaii_ | well then free up some space. | 18:56 |
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| Aranel | hawaii_: I would like to know that "some space" since It's not a great way to describe quantity. | 18:57 |
| hawaii_ | Over 42MB. | 18:57 |
| lbt | \o/ 1.3 :) | 18:57 |
| Aranel | thank you =) | 18:58 |
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| * hawaii_ giggles | 18:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | du -x /|sort -n | 18:58 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: if it is asking for pc-suite it is a package conflict, otherwise it wont show or tells that there is not enough space | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | es | 18:59 |
| lbt | gltron caused problems with a qtlib4-test library | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 18:59 |
| hawaii_ | It will show a package conflict if you select the second tab. | 19:00 |
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| chem|st | lbt: known conflicts are qtlib4-test libgles1-sgx-img and one I forgot about already | 19:00 |
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| lbt | chem|st: they came from the gltron game | 19:00 |
| macmaN | chem|st: yeah i think qtlib4-test conflict fucked me up | 19:00 |
| lbt | so removing that fixed it | 19:01 |
| jani | i wonder why the test lib is in there in the first place.. | 19:01 |
| chem|st | hawaii_: not all people reported that it shows a second tab yet | 19:01 |
| chem|st | lbt: or tuxracer | 19:01 |
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| lbt | *nod* | 19:01 |
| chem|st | or some other game | 19:01 |
| jani | judging from the name, its the unittest lib thta comes on qt. | 19:01 |
| ahynes1 | Well OTA *really* hosed my device... Looks like it may be time for a flash | 19:01 |
| chem|st | I dont know what found me as I never looked into ham... | 19:02 |
| lbt | thought you may want to know :) ... maybe to put something on pmo | 19:02 |
| agi | apt shows lots of package to upgrade, but Application Manager does not show the update, should I go with flashing? | 19:02 |
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| lbt | my OTA went very smoothly after removing that game | 19:02 |
| chem|st | but I was powercycling and used nitdroid instead to find out about the problem | 19:02 |
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| agi | (I don't have those packages that seem to conflict) | 19:02 |
| Noma_ | what is the quickest way to completely delete all user data from n900? | 19:02 |
| lbt | Noma_: tread on it | 19:03 |
| sivang | will it tell you there's a conflict before you upgrade? | 19:03 |
| hawaii_ | rm -rf | 19:03 |
| chem|st | agi: does apt show some about 85-90MB? | 19:03 |
| chem|st | or 30 something? | 19:03 |
| sivang | or do I need to make sure to remove it before? or is it written at the link infobot knows about? | 19:03 |
| * agi check | 19:03 | |
| agi | s | 19:03 |
| sivang | 0:-) | 19:03 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer51: ^ | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | was the Qt SDK updated? | 19:03 |
| oshin | btw, a funny things to share, every time I contact nokia care, they always point me to maemo.org to fix all the problem myself. | 19:04 |
| agi | chem|st: 1006 upgrade, needs 83MB | 19:04 |
| chem|st | sivang: only in ham, apt will just hold back other packages but the initial maemo5meta will remove those held back and you are screwed | 19:04 |
| chem|st | agi: that sounds about right | 19:04 |
| lbt | Noma_: mkfs of some sort on the user partition is probably the quickest. There may be none user data on there | 19:04 |
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| oshin | so if i rant something here, you should also contact nokia care not to point me here. | 19:04 |
| agi | chem|st: yep, no remove or no "not upgraded" | 19:05 |
| chem|st | but the noshow in ham makes me wonder if you got enough space in / and /home/user/ | 19:05 |
| ccooke | ooh. that's new. | 19:05 |
| oshin | (just in the sense of humor) | 19:05 |
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| ccooke | Just had a popup to tell me the n900 was drawing more power than the USB cable it was plugged into can deliver, and would I please consider plugging it in to the wall :-) | 19:05 |
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| macmaN | well PR1.3 md5sum matches fine... third download of VANILLA underway | 19:06 |
| chem|st | agi: disable testing devel and sdk if you wnat to run dist-upgrade | 19:06 |
| chem|st | macmaN: you do not need to flash mmc image! | 19:06 |
| chem|st | macmaN: at least not if you do not want to | 19:07 |
| macmaN | chem|st: i dont? hmmm | 19:07 |
| chem|st | LOL | 19:07 |
| agi | chem|st: I disabled all repos but nokias already. is it ok to upgrade via apt? | 19:08 |
| dolp | how do pr1.3 and madde come along? newer sysroots needed or how does it work? i like to use madde to compile my desktop widgets | 19:08 |
| chem|st | macmaN: yes you dont, the mmc image is there if you fupped your emmc or want a clean device (for selling it or something) | 19:08 |
| macmaN | chem|st: youre right, http://www.maemofanatics.com/how-to-flash-your-nokia-n900/ actually doesnt say anything about vanilla :) | 19:08 |
| alterego | dolp: need a new sysroot I told you that earlier :P | 19:08 |
| chem|st | agi: will I be hunted if it doesnt and told yes? | 19:08 |
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| agi | chem|st: nope :) | 19:09 |
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| chem|st | agi: let the backup program run ahead all action | 19:09 |
| trumee | PR 1.3 is available? | 19:09 |
| agi | sure, thanks a lot chem|st | 19:09 |
| fcrochik | was too much to ask to have the "gtk-update-icon-cache" back? or was it fixed some other way? I hate the blue square icons!!!! | 19:09 |
| chem|st | just to make sure you are clean to flash if something went wrong | 19:09 |
| dolp | alterego: i must have missed that line :) but good to know. wondering where to get that sysroot. hopefully soon.. | 19:09 |
| sivang | so chem|st will screw me if I use it for the upgrade? | 19:10 |
| scoobertron | so does pr1.3 have anything cool? the changelog was cryptic (better app support and performance update) | 19:10 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: all icons showed with proper icons when I installed the 120pkgs again... | 19:10 |
| trumee | t.m.s is so slow! | 19:10 |
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| fcrochik | sivang: DON'T use dist-upgrade! I screwed my device trying :( | 19:10 |
| chem|st | scoobertron: kexec in kernel | 19:10 |
| sivang | fcrochik: I never do that, I use HAM | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~pr1.3 | 19:11 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 19:11 |
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| chem|st | trumee: t.m.s? | 19:11 |
| fcrochik | chem|st: that is nice! | 19:11 |
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| fcrochik | chem|st: I am still waiting for the phone to finish reinstalling my applications.... but went to check for the gtk-update just in case | 19:12 |
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| chem|st | sivang: does it tell something in ham or does the package just not show? | 19:12 |
| trumee | chem|st: t.m.o | 19:12 |
| chem|st | fcrochik: and the best... apart of some widgets all desktop icons are back where they used to be ;) | 19:13 |
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| sivang | right none of the docs mention anything about conflicting packages | 19:13 |
| sivang | chem|st: I did not try yet | 19:13 |
| chem|st | trumee: the pr slashdotted tmo... | 19:13 |
| trumee | chem|st: crap! | 19:13 |
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| sivang | chem|st: it stopped seeing I do not have enough battery | 19:13 |
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| chem|st | sivang: showing you mean | 19:14 |
| sivang | hmm sync files with ovi? | 19:14 |
| sivang | interesting | 19:14 |
| sivang | that is what it says | 19:14 |
| sivang | on that blgo post | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~dict slashdot | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | Okay i've updated to PR 1.3 | 19:14 |
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| sivang | chem|st: yes | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | now what ? | 19:14 |
| infobot | i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at /home/ibot/infobot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | i'm restoring backup | 19:14 |
| chem|st | xDaReaperx: nothing... | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | where's the portait mode ? | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | lol | 19:14 |
| chem|st | xDaReaperx: you flashed? | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, | 19:15 |
| MohammadAG | styleSheet worked in scratchbox, not on device :/ | 19:15 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: hrm, | 19:15 |
| alterego | Try doing the brush approach | 19:15 |
| alterego | I've almost finished setting up scratchbox so I'll be able to have a bit of a play in a bit myself ;) | 19:16 |
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| xDaReaperx_ | back | 19:16 |
| xDaReaperx_ | stupid net keeps disconnecting | 19:16 |
| jani | chem|st: there was slashdot entry about 1.3 ? | 19:16 |
| xDaReaperx_ | i updated using PC SUITE | 19:16 |
| macmaN | mkay, successful boot of pr1.3 it seems | 19:17 |
| * wmarone kicks off pr1.3 install | 19:17 | |
| xDaReaperx_ | it shows version : 20.2010.36-2.003 < it's PR 1.3 ? | 19:17 |
| scoobertron | jani: not that I can see | 19:18 |
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| trumee | Crap, UK version isnt released yet! | 19:18 |
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| scoobertron | trumee: Im in the uk and updating ota at the moment | 19:19 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, and it didn't work with the palette | 19:19 |
| trumee | scoobertron: i dont want to do ota. i prefer to do via the flasher | 19:19 |
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| trumee | scoobertron: i cant seen uk version in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 19:19 |
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| scoobertron | trumee: my bad, I misunderstood. | 19:20 |
| alterego | trumee: uk was first last time, so they thought they'd make us wait this time. | 19:20 |
| alterego | I use global anyway | 19:20 |
| trumee | alterego: i guess i will use global version this time | 19:21 |
| alterego | :) | 19:21 |
| trumee | alterego: is there any difference between UK and global versions? | 19:21 |
| alterego | There really is no difference | 19:21 |
| alterego | I just think it effects SSU availability or something. | 19:21 |
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| trumee | hmm. USA version is bigger in size compared to Global version. | 19:22 |
| alterego | Oh and some functionality, like in some countries you're not allowed FMTX | 19:22 |
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| trumee | alterego: Global doesnt have these restrictions? | 19:23 |
| trumee | Is there no change in emmc vanilla version, latest one is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin? | 19:24 |
| * wmarone sighs as flash kills firefox on his desktop | 19:24 | |
| JamesLittler | There is no EMMC image on tablets-dev, do we use the PR1.2 vanilla or will there be a PR1.3 vanilla uploaded at some point (along with the UK varient)? | 19:24 |
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| jani | has there been any proper changelog for the release yet ? | 19:25 |
| alterego | trumee: hasn't for me. | 19:25 |
| alterego | And we have a working scratchbox environment :) | 19:25 |
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| xDaReaperx | can't find a changelog | 19:26 |
| trumee | scoobertron: update doesnt give me an ota option | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's no need to flash eMMC alias VANILLA for pr1.3 | 19:27 |
| xDaReaperx | i got OTA option > but it was telling me to update using PC suite | 19:27 |
| sivang | xDaReaperx: package conflict? | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if you want to nevertheless, then the old version is just fine | 19:27 |
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| sivang | xDaReaperx: qt4-testlib something? | 19:28 |
| xDaReaperx | no i installed it using PC Suite any ways | 19:28 |
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| xDaReaperx | i uninstalled all QT apps | 19:28 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer51: wont it be better to flash emmc, since settings might have changed for some programs (just a guess) | 19:28 |
| xDaReaperx | and QT 4 | 19:28 |
| scoobertron | trumee: odd - I doubt it would be due to being on a different network or anything like that. | 19:28 |
| xDaReaperx | hey i noticed the Application manager has changed a bit | 19:29 |
| sivang | trumee: not neccessary, from experience, but it could help some hconf settings getting crazy | 19:29 |
| sivang | gcong | 19:29 |
| sivang | err | 19:29 |
| sivang | gconf | 19:29 |
| xDaReaperx | while showing Install Applications you get a choice to install what apps you want | 19:29 |
| xDaReaperx | cool | 19:29 |
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| trumee | scoobertron: i have 203 version i think | 19:29 |
| trumee | scoobertron: yes check the About product page, definitely 203 | 19:29 |
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| trumee | scoobertron: is your phone with O2/vodaphone ? | 19:30 |
| scoobertron | trumee: im in the middle of updating, so I can't check. though I think I am on the global firmware, which might make a difference | 19:30 |
| scoobertron | trumee: nope, t-mobile | 19:30 |
| jani | xDaReaperx: install multiple apps at once ? | 19:31 |
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| trumee | scoobertron: ah! that explains it. | 19:33 |
| trumee | scoobertron: global firmware | 19:34 |
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| scoobertron | trumee: interesting - this might be another advantage of going global | 19:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmm | 19:35 |
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| Noobmonk3y | before i make a stupid mistake, i have win 7 - should i download ovi suite 2.2 or pc suite 7.1 | 19:36 |
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| Noobmonk3y | (to connect and update my n900 that is) | 19:36 |
| xDaReaperx | Back | 19:36 |
| xDaReaperx | now i have to install all apps again .. =/ | 19:37 |
| xDaReaperx | thats like 860 MB | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, if you're gonna use QTextBrowser, don't update | 19:37 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 19:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | i'm not :p | 19:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | is it buggered? | 19:37 |
| Noobmonk3y | but that will bugger healthcheck instantly | 19:38 |
| Noobmonk3y | (the old one) | 19:38 |
| trumee | chem|st: cant see PR1.3 on slashdot. | 19:38 |
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| xDaReaperx | whats slashdot ? | 19:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | but MohammadAG that didnt answer my Q - installing ovi suite | 19:39 |
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| xDaReaperx | don't you guys think the app manager is a bit quicker ? | 19:39 |
| vltR | hi.. what images do i have to flash my N900 with to have the whole factory state? | 19:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | dunno havent update, same speed as it was yesterday for me ;) | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | Wee | 19:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | Woo | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | That only took 1.5 hours on GPRS. | 19:39 |
| Noobmonk3y | updating? | 19:39 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 19:40 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol :P | 19:40 |
| xDaReaperx | took me half an hour | 19:40 |
| xDaReaperx | now i need to install all apps again | 19:40 |
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| xDaReaperx | is this normal after updates ? | 19:40 |
| * GAN900 didn't reflash. | 19:40 | |
| xDaReaperx | i restored , it shows my app list | 19:40 |
| GAN900 | If you do them incorrectly, yes. | 19:40 |
| jani | xDaReaperx: now there's a question i wasnt expecting =) | 19:40 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 19:41 |
| vltR | hi.. what images do i have to flash my N900 with to have the whole factory state? | 19:41 |
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| Noobmonk3y | vltR: surely factory state means last sept/october? | 19:42 |
| bef0rd | is it just me or the browser feels faster? :P | 19:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | or do you mean the current latest firmware but latest clean buld and flash emmc? | 19:42 |
| fcrochik | my first casualty of PR13: mycontacts (alternative) backend will fail to load with qt4.7 and will endup deleting all the groups. It is easy to fix by changing the configuration file but has to be done before you run mycontacts for the first time after upgrade | 19:42 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, buggered is an understatement | 19:43 |
| vltR | Noobmonk3y: i want to make total cleanup | 19:43 |
| vltR | so everything to factory state but with updates :) | 19:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | total cleanup doesnt answer my question vltR ..... | 19:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | factory state = original firmware, you would then be asked to update all the way back to 1.3?! | 19:44 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, http://oi54.tinypic.com/11s2f0j.jpg | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell vltR about flashing | 19:44 |
| wmarone | reboot... | 19:44 |
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| vltR | eh but if i update firmware all my apps will be on the phone.. i dont want that | 19:45 |
| GAN900 | Pro update. | 19:45 |
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| GAN900 | MicroB fails to load all pages now. | 19:45 |
| Arkenoi | seems that themes support on 1.3 differs somehow: some colors are reverted to default | 19:46 |
| javispedro | lol | 19:46 |
| ahynes1 | vltR - I tried an OTA update, but am now doing a reflash. | 19:46 |
| ahynes1 | Take a look at http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/02/05/how-to-hard-reset-the-n900-to-the-factory-state/ | 19:46 |
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| ahynes1 | Just use the latest flash file and you should be good. | 19:46 |
| wmarone | GAN900: worksforme :/ | 19:46 |
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| * GAN900 stabs Nokia | 19:47 | |
| GAN900 | Transitions are all jittery now, too. | 19:47 |
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| chem|st | jani: don't know but that's more a figurative description it was nokia'ed?! | 19:49 |
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| GAN900 | Reboot time. | 19:50 |
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| jani | chem|st: ack ok, so you where only talking about the effect, not the site ;) | 19:50 |
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| Noobmonk3y | great ovi suite says there is no update :P | 19:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | bahhhhhhhhhhhhh | 19:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | yet the phone says there is | 19:52 |
| chem|st | jani: yes :) | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, why not just SSU? | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | or not update at all :P | 19:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | ove ther air? | 19:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh i would need to remove crap :P | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | or fix HealthCheck, as I said, http://oi54.tinypic.com/11s2f0j.jpg :P | 19:52 |
| andyph666 | how much space we need to be able to update? | 19:53 |
| chem|st | Noobmonk3y: NOS3 tells... | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | andyph666: probably ~50MB | 19:53 |
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| andyph666 | crap i only have 18 :o any way to see what takes up the most space? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | andyph666: at least that's been the magnitude of free space on root for last few SSU | 19:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG51 !!! | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | du -h | grep M | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | du -x /|sort -n | 19:55 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, black on black ftw | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | o/ Venemo | 19:55 |
| Venemo | hey MohammadAG :) | 19:55 |
| andyph666 | thanks guys | 19:55 |
| andyph666 | does it break android or titans kernel? | 19:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | can't beleive the textbrowser issue didnt get seen and fixed! | 19:56 |
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| mikki-kun | does here anybody have a sports-strap for his n900? | 19:56 |
| chem|st | andyph666: android no titans idk | 19:57 |
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| Wizzup | 5 | 19:57 |
| mikki-kun | i was curious how well they do... i'd need one for some casual biking so i can always check which way to go | 19:57 |
| Wizzup | pardon... | 19:57 |
| chem|st | videocalling died again? | 19:57 |
| scoobertron | enter still doesn't work properly when running ncurses stuff in the terminal *sob* | 19:58 |
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| chem|st | scoobertron: there is a libvte fix attached at the bugreport | 19:58 |
| agi | scoobertron: I hate that one :/ | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | scoobertron: fix it! http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 19:58 |
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| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: the community could fix that one, right? | 19:58 |
| mikki-kun | scoobertron: try to remap your key to "return" as value and 'remove' that "XK_Enter" stuff which is there... | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | Kill me | 19:59 |
| chem|st | Venemo: it is... | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | Still not working | 19:59 |
| mikki-kun | GAN900: that is against the law so we cannot follow your order | 19:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | Venemo: next year maybe lol | 19:59 |
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| chem|st | Venemo: Noobmonk3y agi https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2705 | 20:00 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: well we could do the fix, then release it through MohammadAG's SSU | 20:00 |
| chem|st | maybe it is now another version did not check yet | 20:00 |
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| Noobmonk3y | no idea what the SSU is, that whole thing just confused the buggery outta me | 20:00 |
| agi | chem|st: thanks! | 20:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | chem|st: ? | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, community repository | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, when Nokia drops support, you'll need one | 20:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: kinda got it, but it just confused me | 20:01 |
| chem|st | agi: if you installed tell if it is still working well | 20:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol kk | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, i.e, from today | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | agi: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 20:01 |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: MohammadAG started his own SSU(=Seamless Software Update) which provides fixes not yet released by Nokia in the open source packages | 20:01 |
| agi | DocScrutinizer: yep, reading thru it :) | 20:01 |
| * Noobmonk3y is just uninstalling the world off his N900 so i can do the over the air | 20:01 | |
| Venemo | Noobmonk3y: it did eliminate some serious PR 1.2 bugs back then | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, no, they really don't have to announce that they dropped support | 20:01 |
| MohammadAG | Venemo, hildon-desktop in my repo is newer than the one in PR1.3, makes me sad | 20:02 |
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| scoobertron | interesting. apparently I don't have any repos any more. that is going to be fun to do by mand. | 20:02 |
| MohammadAG | modest too I think | 20:02 |
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| xDaReaperx | Back | 20:02 |
| chem|st | scoobertron: empty repo lists shoed in 1.2 quiet often | 20:03 |
| chem|st | wait a bit longer with opening the list | 20:03 |
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| xDaReaperx | is the app manager slow in loading application list still ? | 20:03 |
| scoobertron | seems to be | 20:04 |
| xDaReaperx | and did they say there would be portait mode ? | 20:04 |
| xDaReaperx | portrait * | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: you bet it is, why shouldn't it? | 20:04 |
| scoobertron | didn't see anything in the release notes | 20:04 |
| xDaReaperx | does everything load in portrait ? | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | no | 20:04 |
| xDaReaperx | nothing does for me | 20:05 |
| xDaReaperx | it feels same as PR 1.2 | 20:05 |
| xDaReaperx | kind of | 20:05 |
| agi | chem|st: seems to work just fine (re: libvte4) | 20:05 |
| chem|st | agi: nice | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | agi: thanks! :-) | 20:05 |
| agi | thank you both :) | 20:06 |
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| scoobertron | reboot fixed the repo thing. emergency over. | 20:06 |
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| vltR | what is FIASCO image? | 20:06 |
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| * agi puts libvte4 on hold now | 20:07 | |
| ZogG | lol | 20:07 |
| vltR | i have to flash FIASCO image before flashing emmc... ? | 20:07 |
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| chem|st | agi: it says incompatible application package | 20:08 |
| tybollt | there a changelog yet? | 20:08 |
| agi | ? | 20:08 |
| ZogG | so i did aptget -dist-update and in the middle of updating phone turns off and can't turn on - only Nokia on white screen. though ntdroid boots fine. i smell flashing =) good i just backedup before | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | vltR: My suggestion is to do it other way round: VANILLA first, then COMBINED | 20:08 |
| chem|st | apt-get install --force-reinstall tybollt | 20:09 |
| agi | chem|st: http://paste.debian.net/98064/ | 20:09 |
| xDaReaperx | time to start tweeting about the PR 1.3 , so it gets into the news media blogs | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you asked for it, you got it. --dist-upgrade is *DEPRECATED* | 20:09 |
| * agi thinks chem|st meant s/agi/XXXXX/ in the incompatible stuff | 20:09 | |
| tybollt | ~slap chem|st | 20:09 |
| mgedmin | why would HAM tell me to use Nokia Software Suite to upgrade? | 20:09 |
| * infobot slaps chem|st, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! | 20:09 | |
| chem|st | agi: and enter works? | 20:09 |
| agi | yes it does | 20:10 |
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| agi | it working in the shell, and it working in the case that didn't work for me before (gnupg passphrase prompt) | 20:10 |
| chem|st | mgedmin: cause you got incompatible libs installed | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | chem|st, any ideas how to find out which? | 20:11 |
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| chem|st | mgedmin: second tab in HAM | 20:11 |
| chem|st | or some simple questions... have you got gltron or tuxracer installed? | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | no | 20:12 |
| ahynes1 | I ran into a similar problem with ZogG and had to flash my phone. I'm busy reinstalling apps now | 20:12 |
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| xDaReaperx | even i'm installing all apps ^ | 20:12 |
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| xDaReaperx | OTA for some reason just didn't work , but no matter .. | 20:12 |
| chem|st | check if libgles1-sgx-img is installed and libqt4-test | 20:12 |
| mgedmin | libgles1-sgx-img installed (v 0.20091104.34+0m5) | 20:12 |
| chem|st | dependency? | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | libqt4-test: not installed | 20:13 |
| chem|st | the gles is conflicting | 20:13 |
| mgedmin | thanks for the pointer | 20:13 |
| xDaReaperx | http://maemo.nokia.com/news/new-n900-software-update-available/ | 20:13 |
| xDaReaperx | tells whats in the update | 20:13 |
| * mgedmin Does Not Like HAM | 20:13 | |
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| chem|st | agi: ham said... | 20:16 |
| mgedmin | cloudgps pulled it in | 20:16 |
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| agi | chem|st: ah, I dpkg'ed it in | 20:17 |
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| andyph666 | hey MohammadAG: cant seem to update due to the pulseaudio patch to reduce stuttering, how do i revert back to the standard packages? | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | rm /etc/apt/preferences && apt-get install pulseaudio | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | then open app manager | 20:18 |
| Shadikka | Wtf :D | 20:18 |
| scoobertron | app manager seems the same to me. slow, and one package at at time | 20:19 |
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| Shadikka | "Unable to update 'Maemo 5' - Conflict with application packases: perl(5.8.3-3osso11+0m5) | 20:19 |
| Shadikka | *g | 20:19 |
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| * MohammadAG pokes X-Fade | 20:19 | |
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| chem|st | Shadikka: welcome to the jungle | 20:19 |
| andyph666 | thank u sir :p | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF?!!! 30PT fonts http://maemo.nokia.com/userguides/.en-US/GUID-013B5D9B-4AB8-4938-93FE-472A64BE7E63.html#d0e32302 | 20:20 |
| * Shadikka enters the o_O | 20:20 | |
| Shadikka | uhhh, now that was an arrow fail, but that works too. | 20:20 |
| apol_ | is tehre any wiki page on how to dual boot to meego with pr 1.3? | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | apol_: dual boot is NOT related to PR1.3 | 20:21 |
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| Shadikka | "The following packages will be REMOVED: frozen-bubble perl perl-modules" | 20:22 |
| Shadikka | ...suits me fine. | 20:22 |
| apol_ | DocScrutinizer: at all? ok | 20:22 |
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| apol_ | I thought it had to be easier now | 20:22 |
| ZogG | for the flashing i need full charge or it doesn't matter that mcuh? | 20:23 |
| xDaReaperx | i had only half charge | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | pr1.3 has fixed kexec, but meego dual boot doesn't use that. It is implemented via chainloading uBoot | 20:23 |
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| xDaReaperx | but its recommended you charge fully | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: for flashing a charged battery is mandatory | 20:24 |
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| ZogG | i'm at zero now =) | 20:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | aghhhh how much rootfs do i need? :P | 20:26 |
| Noobmonk3y | up to 59 :p lol | 20:27 |
| ohwhyme | crap i only have 30 | 20:27 |
| ohwhyme | lol | 20:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe | 20:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | been uninstalling for 20 mins | 20:28 |
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| ohwhyme | u happen to know what apps that take up a lot on rootfs? | 20:29 |
| GAN900 | What's the maemo.org openid URL? | 20:29 |
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| ioan | hi. is the new update, the supposed PR1.3 compatible with titan kernel, or I have to wait for the new kernel? | 20:29 |
| ahynes1 | I don't know about titan, but I'm using 1.3 with power-kernel | 20:30 |
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| ioan | is the power-kernel the one that supports ipv6? | 20:30 |
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| javispedro | ahynes1: really using, or did SSU and thus whatever kernel you were using got overwritten with the stock one? :) | 20:31 |
| ahynes1 | Yup. I'm running power kernel with PR 1.3 and ipv6 right now | 20:31 |
| ioan | ok, thanks. so how did you update? OTA? | 20:31 |
| ioan | OTA and then installed the power kernel? give me some details because I need ipv6... and I want the pr1.3 too | 20:32 |
| ioan | :-) | 20:32 |
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| ahynes1 | I tried OTA but it trashed my machine so I ended up flashing it. | 20:33 |
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| ahynes1 | Busy reinstalling thnigs now | 20:33 |
| ioan | ok, that's what I'll do too. thanks | 20:33 |
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| javispedro | X-Fade: did you get to rebuild the symbol files? | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohwhyme: du -x /|sort -n | 20:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ioan: ahynes1: titan==power | 20:35 |
| MohammadAG | installing kernel-power on PR1.3 downgrades your kernel | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure :-P | 20:36 |
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| rokr1 | Hey all | 20:36 |
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| rokr1 | PR1.3 !! | 20:36 |
| rokr1 | wat ?? | 20:36 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah. I love their advice to "uninstall applications" | 20:36 |
| rokr1 | is it out now ?? | 20:36 |
| javispedro | ... | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: yep, fools :-) | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 | 20:37 |
| infobot | well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rokr1: ^^^ | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | I thought it wasn't really "1.3" | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | but more like 1.2.1 | 20:37 |
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| mikki-kun | w00t?! | 20:37 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: (re 30pt font) blame the N900 lying about screen DPI. | 20:37 |
| mikki-kun | update?! | 20:37 |
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| chem|st | Shapeshifter: nope it is 1.3 | 20:38 |
| mikki-kun | :o | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ooh, so "this page best rendered on microb" or what? | 20:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: indeed | 20:38 |
| Shapeshifter | chem|st: but it's 20.2010.36-2 | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: it looks horrible on konqueror | 20:38 |
| l0up_ | is there a way to get mobile hotspot to work with pr1.3 | 20:38 |
| chem|st | so what? | 20:38 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the css with 800px hardcodec everywhere should also be a hint =) | 20:38 |
| javispedro | *coded | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | chem|st: ah right nvm | 20:39 |
| mikki-kun | how is pr1.3? | 20:39 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 20:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer shakes head, deeply saddened | 20:39 | |
| javispedro | well, it can't be worse than pr1.2 | 20:39 |
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| chem|st | javispedro: shsh | 20:39 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: konqueror? people still use that? :) | 20:40 |
| ahynes1 | DocScrutinizer: Ah, then PR 1.3 is running okay with titan for me | 20:40 |
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| kerio | i'm almost thinking of using my flaky usb connection to reflash :3 | 20:40 |
| * javispedro ponders reflashing.. | 20:40 | |
| kerio | what can go wrong? | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: I dunno about people, he's not talking to me anymore. But me, yes, I'm using Konqueror usually | 20:40 |
| wmarone | hmm | 20:40 |
| wmarone | e-mail seems unbugged | 20:40 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: what can go wrong? | 20:41 |
| ShadSEC | hey | 20:41 |
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| * javispedro asks his magic-8-ball whether to reflash... | 20:41 | |
| scoobertron | mikki-kun: very similar to 1.2 - they don't seem to have fixed anything that bothered me. | 20:41 |
| javispedro | "As I see it, Yes" | 20:41 |
| javispedro | thanks, magic8ball!! | 20:41 |
| l0up_ | everything seems to work a bit faster and smoother or maybe its just placebo. anyhooooooo, mobile hotspot is borken :F | 20:41 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Problem. | 20:41 |
| kerio | ~pr1.4 | 20:41 |
| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 20:41 |
| mikki-kun | i guess i'll stick then to 1.2 | 20:41 |
| kerio | looooooooooooooooooooooooool | 20:41 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: None of the packages you told me to downgrade to are availablefrom the repos. | 20:42 |
| mikki-kun | MUHAHAHA | 20:42 |
| wmarone | faster and smoother isn't unusual after a reboot or fresh install, the question is what happens over time | 20:42 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: Any place I can get them? | 20:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: 1.5!! | 20:42 |
| kerio | ~pr1.5 | 20:42 |
| * infobot beats kerio with a Nostradamus papercopy 69.6 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 20:42 | |
| kerio | ~pr1.6 | 20:42 |
| ioan | what's up with tmo? | 20:42 |
| rokr1 | how abt PR2.0 (that looks awesome) | 20:42 |
| maybeWTF | argh argh argh | 20:42 |
| l0up_ | wmarone: my 1.2 didnt get too slow even after few months uptime | 20:42 |
| * javispedro launches osso_backup and hopes for the best | 20:42 | |
| maybeWTF | started updating... while it was still on the gprs connection | 20:43 |
| rokr1 | how many times did u recharged the battery l0up | 20:43 |
| maybeWTF | this may take a while... | 20:43 |
| ioan | there won't be a pr1.4, they are going to call it "pr 95" or "pr me" | 20:43 |
| l0up_ | rokr1: when? :o | 20:43 |
| wmarone | l0up_: then you are lucky, mine got quite creaky after a few weeks of uptime | 20:43 |
| kerio | infobot: PR1.6 is, like, the future man! | 20:43 |
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| Shadikka | ioan: Later on, pr XP | 20:44 |
| ioan | vista | 20:44 |
| kerio | ._. | 20:44 |
| rokr1 | got to buy that mugen battery | 20:44 |
| kerio | infobot: PR1.6 is the future man! | 20:44 |
| infobot | kerio: okay | 20:44 |
| Mece | l0up_, moving from desktop to desktop is definitely smoother. | 20:44 |
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| rokr1 | anyone who have it | 20:44 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 20:44 |
| toresbe | Hey guys. Could you please clear something up for me...? Maemo 6 == Harmattan == MeeGo? | 20:44 |
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| Arkenoi | 3 hours, application reinstall after reflash still running | 20:45 |
| rmrfchik | Arkenoi: heh, I luckly installed OTA | 20:45 |
| rokr1 | i am on it | 20:46 |
| rokr1 | OTA | 20:46 |
| wmarone | toresbe: Harmattan != MeeGo, but it is supposed to be MeeGo compatible | 20:46 |
| rmrfchik | but 1.3 din't bring any happiness | 20:46 |
| rokr1 | downloading it now | 20:46 |
| rmrfchik | 1.3 is so 1.2 | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | toresbe: somewhat, yes | 20:46 |
| rokr1 | got people tell abt its capabilities | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui they call it meego HE | 20:47 |
| rokr1 | dual boot to meego bla bla bla | 20:47 |
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| rmrfchik | where I can find dual boot? | 20:47 |
| toresbe | So how do I test out meego on the N900? | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for hybrid, err harmattan edition | 20:47 |
| ioan | ahynes1, have you tried IPv6 on stock kernel? maybe they enabled the IPv6? :-) | 20:47 |
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| rokr1 | now where did that IPv6 come from | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | rokr1: there's no dualboot meego in pr1.3 | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rmrfchik: probably on the site of the second OS | 20:48 |
| rmrfchik | it's time for starcraft | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | toresbe: that's a question better asked in #meego | 20:49 |
| chem|st | rmrfchik: good idea! | 20:49 |
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| ohwhyme | scv ready | 20:49 |
| rmrfchik | ZERG FTW! | 20:50 |
| ohwhyme | fruitdealler | 20:50 |
| ohwhyme | aint doing anything till i upgrade to 1.3 :p | 20:50 |
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| toresbe | DocScrutinizer: you're probably right :) | 20:50 |
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| GAN900 | rmrfchik, amen. | 20:51 |
| javispedro | pffft | 20:51 |
| javispedro | protossssssss | 20:51 |
| knightstalker | Hello,okay,so I fucked up my phone when I did apt-get dist-upgrade on terminal(to upgrade to PR1.3)now any vanilla flash way so I can use them to upgrade to PR1.3? | 20:52 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, void ray whore. | 20:52 |
| javispedro | >:) | 20:52 |
| RST38h | hm | 20:52 |
| knightstalker | (my maemo is no longer working) | 20:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get --dist-upgrade IS *DEPRECATED* | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | dundundun | 20:52 |
| ohwhyme | high templars :D | 20:52 |
| chem|st | ~tell knightstalker about flasher | 20:52 |
| knightstalker | DocScrutinizer,your saying is no longer helpful :P | 20:53 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it' not "deprecated" per se, it's just a miracle it ever worked for anyone | 20:53 |
| knightstalker | words* | 20:53 |
| javispedro | (at least on Maemo) | 20:53 |
| knightstalker | anyways,why the hell I needed to use PC suite,I have linux damn it | 20:53 |
| javispedro | sigh. | 20:53 |
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| knightstalker | :( | 20:53 |
| chem|st | ohwhyme: got some stalkers for you | 20:53 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer and what if holding "u" and connecting to usb shows dim nokia logo but without usb symbol? =) | 20:53 |
| l0up_ | apt-get -u dist-upgrade worked fine for me | 20:53 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/1247909 | 20:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~tell knightstalker about flashing | 20:54 |
| Shadikka | 1.3 running. | 20:54 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: did that already.. | 20:54 |
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| rmrfchik | knightstalker: because nokia can't cook linux | 20:54 |
| rmrfchik | ;) | 20:54 |
| knightstalker | why it uses linux for maemo then? | 20:55 |
| knightstalker | -.- | 20:55 |
| knightstalker | btw,I have multiboot boot loader(from nitdroid package),does it have U function,still? | 20:55 |
| javispedro | sigh, sigh. | 20:55 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nvm I said flasher | 20:55 |
| javispedro | ~flashing | 20:55 |
| infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 20:55 |
| chem|st | knightstalker: yes | 20:55 |
| range | I'd really like to be able to do an OTA update just once ... | 20:55 |
| javispedro | would you like at that url | 20:55 |
| * GAN900 has won 1v4 matches with void rays. | 20:55 | |
| rmrfchik | knightstalker: because symbian is dying, and they heard linux is kool | 20:55 |
| javispedro | GAN900: and they only make it more powerful with every update.. | 20:56 |
| ahynes1 | I have successfully multibooted both PR 1.3 and Nitroid | 20:56 |
| knightstalker | rmrfchik,linux is kooool :P,and yeah symbian is DYING :p | 20:56 |
| chem|st | range: tell what it says we tell what to do! | 20:56 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, nerfed marginally with the last one. | 20:56 |
| range | Well, the usual - use PC-Suite :) | 20:56 |
| knightstalker | ahynes1,I have successfully booted non working PR1.3 and Nitdroid,Hooray! | 20:56 |
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| knightstalker | multibooted* | 20:56 |
| rokr1 | got a error message in OTA conflicts with libqt-4...., and libgles-sgx... | 20:56 |
| l0up_ | rokr1: you need to remove those to get 1.3 | 20:57 |
| chem|st | rokr1: uninstall | 20:57 |
| rokr1 | cool | 20:57 |
| chem|st | rokr1: its a game like gltron or tuxracer | 20:57 |
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| rokr1 | i know that libgles-sgx is a system file | 20:57 |
| javispedro | a suggestion | 20:58 |
| javispedro | if you want to keep on playing gles1 games, | 20:58 |
| alterego | Tomorrow I can look forward to setting up my server to do continuous integration builds. | 20:58 |
| ioan | looks like the released PR1.3 is identical with the leaked PR1.3 | 20:58 |
| javispedro | better wait until appropiate persons are pinged | 20:58 |
| njsf1 | Anybody here with PR1.3 and T-Mobile ? After flashing my N900 does not seem to want to do cell service anymore | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf is cell service? | 20:58 |
| njsf1 | T-Mobile USA for sake of completeness | 20:58 |
| chem|st | njsf1: you broke it... how did you upgrade? | 20:59 |
| range | And the program manager is a PITA. | 20:59 |
| njsf1 | as in actually being able to make calls or connecting through GRPS ? | 20:59 |
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| njsf1 | flash-3.5 following the instructions from the maemo.org page | 20:59 |
| chem|st | njsf1: so you did flash it and not upgrade from 1.2? | 21:00 |
| njsf1 | and all was successful according to the logs | 21:00 |
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| njsf1 | yes, I did flash it | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | so which logs then? | 21:00 |
| njsf1 | and all works fine except no SIM seems to be detected | 21:00 |
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| njsf1 | the logs of the flasher DocScrutinizer | 21:00 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, see ssu channel | 21:00 |
| ZogG | hmm | 21:00 |
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| ZogG | and if i can't get to usbmode for flashing/charge and ./flasher-3.5 -i doesn't do anything | 21:01 |
| alterego | erm, what's that again? | 21:01 |
| Shadikka | Does somebody have a link for bugs fixed PR1.3 handy? | 21:01 |
| alterego | I'm not in the channel | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | njsf1: make sure your SIM is properly seated, and you actually enabled phone (as in "flightmode=off") | 21:02 |
| njsf1 | I already did DocScrutinizer | 21:02 |
| chem|st | Shadikka: andre is on it afaik try bugs.maemo.org | 21:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably a reflash of COMBINED wouldn't hurt | 21:02 |
| Shadikka | chem|st: Yeah, I'm just definitely not good with the search page there :) That's why I asked. | 21:02 |
| njsf1 | I am now trying the following... Restore the backup I made before the flash, then take the sim out, reboot, then turn off, put the sim on again, just in case | 21:02 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer any ideas? | 21:03 |
| ZogG | nitdroid works fine | 21:03 |
| ZogG | only nitdroid =( | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: charge battery | 21:03 |
| njsf1 | DocScrutinizer the COMBINED image for USA was the one I flashed... | 21:03 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer it doesn't charge, i connect to usb or wall charger it turns dim logo than charging led and after 5 seconds it restarts with the same | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | njsf1: I seem to remember ther've been other reports of US-COMBINED breaking cellmo. | 21:04 |
| RST38h | "Flexible, Stretchable, Implantable LED Arrays Created" | 21:04 |
| RST38h | Wel...you know where it is going. | 21:04 |
| chem|st | njsf1: try the global version | 21:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG: you're screwed | 21:04 |
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| njsf1 | will try global next. tnx | 21:05 |
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| maybeWTF | update successful, actually feels snappier | 21:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | njsf1: yep, this fixed it for that other instance | 21:06 |
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| maybeWTF | placebo effect ftw | 21:06 |
| Shadikka | RST38h: Sell your body as ad space? | 21:06 |
| ahynes1 | Anyone have the link to the changelog? | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | actually, a reboot makes the n900 snappier | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | and an os update requires a reboot | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | so it's not just placebo | 21:06 |
| maybeWTF | hush | 21:06 |
| mgedmin | whoa, scary -- update still in progress, but the statusbar on top disappeared | 21:06 |
| Shadikka | mgedmin: Happened to me too, probably some hildon-desktop update(?) | 21:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 21:07 |
| mgedmin | could be | 21:07 |
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| evilrob | I wasn't sure what would happen... right after it told me everything would be unavailable during the update and I hit continue, my wife called. software update running, phone ringing. | 21:08 |
| evilrob | didn't break the update, but sound quality was crap | 21:08 |
| evilrob | much better now that the update is done | 21:08 |
| maybeWTF | tell your wife she bricked your phone, make her buy you a spare n900 | 21:08 |
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| ieatlint | am i going to need to worry about the power kernel for this 1.3 update? | 21:10 |
| mgedmin | update is success! | 21:10 |
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| rokr1 | nice | 21:10 |
| rokr1 | mgedmin | 21:10 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, lol | 21:11 |
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| ZogG | can it doesn't go to usb mode if the battery is really low? | 21:12 |
| rantom | Hmm | 21:12 |
| rantom | Did anyone else get the n900-fmrx-enabler with PR 1.3? | 21:12 |
| Appiah | yes | 21:12 |
| rokr1 | yes | 21:12 |
| rantom | I re-flashed my N900 to PR 1.2 and updated it, and it was installed | 21:12 |
| rantom | Alright.. | 21:12 |
| rantom | Why is it there? | 21:12 |
| rantom | There's the enabler but no software to use it so :D | 21:12 |
| rokr1 | ask that to a senior member | 21:12 |
| rantom | (Except FM Radio on Extras) | 21:12 |
| rokr1 | well who is it ?? | 21:13 |
| knightstalker | omg,how can I know if I need Global/Middle East and... flash thingy? | 21:13 |
| rokr1 | stalk | 21:13 |
| andre___ | Shadikka, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 links to the Bugzilla query for public tickets fixed in PR1.3 | 21:13 |
| ZogG | knightstalker just wild guest | 21:13 |
| ZogG | guess* | 21:13 |
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| knightstalker | ZogG,hmm? | 21:14 |
| Aranel_ | I got 44.4 mb free rootfs, how much do I need to install PR1.3 ? | 21:14 |
| Shadikka | andre___: Thanks! | 21:14 |
| Aranel_ | It's a pain to symlink important stuff, so I would appreciate an exact answer. | 21:14 |
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| Venemo | Aranel_: approx 85 MB according to others | 21:15 |
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| Aranel_ | Venemo: oh.. well. :| | 21:15 |
| Aranel_ | Venemo: thanks. | 21:15 |
| trumee | andre___: doesnt work | 21:15 |
| ZogG | knightstalker where do you live? | 21:15 |
| Venemo | Aranel_: I haven't tried it myself (my N900 is at repair atm, and I will do a reflash...) | 21:16 |
| andre___ | trumee, what? | 21:16 |
| knightstalker | ZogG,Middle East,however according to the forums it wont recognize the SIM | 21:16 |
| knightstalker | ZogG,hmm,can I just use Global ver? | 21:16 |
| Aranel_ | There's simply no way for me to free up that much space. | 21:16 |
| knightstalker | they recommended that | 21:16 |
| Appiah | I had about 1030 music files, after the update its 960... I wonder which albums got excluded ? :D | 21:16 |
| rokr1 | atm ?? | 21:17 |
| trumee | andre___: my dns had failed me. link works fine | 21:17 |
| andre___ | ah :) | 21:17 |
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| pyther | Hello | 21:18 |
| rokr1 | good to hear that appiah that reminds me to copy the songs | 21:18 |
| Shadikka | They fixed the screen glitch on incoming call <3 (just tested) | 21:18 |
| pyther | I want to rip by device clean and start fresh with the PR 1.3 firmware... what is the best way to backup my contacts? | 21:18 |
| rokr1 | nice to hear that to shadikka | 21:18 |
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| Appiah | rokr1: i think my flac files got excluded | 21:19 |
| Appiah | not removed | 21:19 |
| njsf1 | yay! just reflashed the USA image again and it works... weird, but fine by me :D | 21:19 |
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| the_lord | Hi! I can't make the update OTA, any suggestions? | 21:19 |
| the_lord | ~flashing | 21:20 |
| ZogG | knightstalker i cn't say i know the difference | 21:20 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:20 |
| rokr1 | wats the message u get the lord of the rings | 21:20 |
| knightstalker | the last question will be about the cold flash and warm flash,in my case(the OS not being loaded,it'll just turn off the device after sometime),which must be selected? | 21:20 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: your modest fixes made into PR 1.3? | 21:21 |
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| rokr1 | hi oshin | 21:22 |
| the_lord | if I do a backup of applications, then manual flashing, and then restore tha backup it will all be ok? | 21:22 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, not yet | 21:22 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: crap! | 21:22 |
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| visz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_Enhanced_Nuclear_Induction_Spectroscopy | 21:23 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, modest still doesn't store a local copy of the emails isn't it? | 21:23 |
| visz | oops, wrong channel =) | 21:23 |
| rokr1 | the_lord : best is to just back up contacts and calender (if u use that) | 21:23 |
| visz | but cool tech anyway | 21:23 |
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| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, solved the puzzle | 21:24 |
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| pyther | I'm in the united states, can someone can firm this is the firmware I want? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin | 21:25 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, flashed with 8% baattery | 21:25 |
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| ZogG | first launch | 21:25 |
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| ZogG | damn fkuc tehnologic | 21:25 |
| rantom | Alright, I'll ask this just once more. _Why_ did the N900-fmrx-enabler V1.51 come with the _official_ PR 1.3 when there is _no_ software for it to use? Was it a bugfix, though I can't seem to find it fixed in Bugzilla? | 21:25 |
| rokr1 | if almost no visual change was included in this minor update they could have added few songs atleast | 21:26 |
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| rantom | (Again, except the FM Radio from Extras) | 21:26 |
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| rokr1 | soo sooo *** ZogG | 21:26 |
| trumee | where are the debs from ovi store saved? | 21:26 |
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| trumee | read on ovi store that download could be done only 5 times? | 21:26 |
| trumee | *read on tmo about ovi store | 21:27 |
| ZogG | rokr1 =( | 21:27 |
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| ZogG | rokr1 lol, i'm not the guy to piss off of somebody from internetz =) just kiding too | 21:28 |
| ZogG | restoring is cool | 21:29 |
| ZogG | YEAH \o/ | 21:29 |
| ZogG | have my phone back | 21:29 |
| ieatlint | heh, i'd forgotten how painfully slow the backup app is | 21:29 |
| lcuk | tortoise vs the hare. i would rather it was done properly. but really people rarely complain of the speed of the backup app | 21:30 |
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| * mgedmin thinks people rarely make backups | 21:30 | |
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| ieatlint | eh.. not complaining exactly, more just like whining :P | 21:32 |
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| trumee | tmo is dead again | 21:33 |
| rokr1 | i noticed this version of maemo has lot of DRM packages | 21:34 |
| rokr1 | NOKIA NOKIA | 21:34 |
| lcuk | trumee, reggie is saying the server load is through the roof | 21:34 |
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| rantom | Don't know if this has been mentioned earlier today but the CTRL+Shift+R seems to work for longer now with PR 1.3 | 21:35 |
| alterego | Venemo: have you dont anything with my code? | 21:35 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of sticking in in a project on gitorious | 21:35 |
| trumee | tmo server load average now: 181.96, 157.52, 120.12 from reggie (via twitter) | 21:35 |
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| alterego | (I just created a gitorious account and it's kind of empty) :) | 21:35 |
| rantom | E.g. when I launch Conversations, press the combo and browse the app, it doesn't go off | 21:35 |
| rantom | Odd | 21:35 |
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| rokr1 | wat abt flash player | 21:36 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 21:36 |
| hrw | rantom: in pr1.2 it worked until you closed app | 21:37 |
| Aranel_ | javispedro: looking at preenv, when you said "copy your application storage directory out of it" did you mean "com.ea.app.nfsuc" ? | 21:37 |
| rantom | hrw: Now it works longer than that | 21:37 |
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| rantom | hrw: I can continue using Conversations in portrait, even after closing the app and relaunching it | 21:38 |
| javispedro | Aranel_: the directory where that is located | 21:38 |
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| hrw | rantom: cool, need to check then | 21:38 |
| ZogG | pr1.3 is a lie, give us pr1.4 already!!!! | 21:38 |
| alterego | urgh | 21:39 |
| ZogG | rantom does it look better in portrait? or it's the same | 21:39 |
| rokr1 | PR1.x are always lie may be we have to wait for PR2.x | 21:39 |
| hrw | rantom: does not work for calendar | 21:39 |
| trumee | wonder which PR1.x will have Ovi maps turn by turn | 21:39 |
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| alterego | qmlviewer doesn't work in scratchbox | 21:39 |
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| biertie | hi | 21:39 |
| rokr1 | ovi maps donot have online accounts in maemo | 21:39 |
| rokr1 | like in symbian | 21:39 |
| rokr1 | the idiot's OS | 21:39 |
| trumee | rokr1: what do you mean? | 21:39 |
| rokr1 | not so nice | 21:39 |
| rantom | ZogG: I'm not sure but IMO it's ok | 21:40 |
| trumee | rokr1: online accounts? | 21:40 |
| dolp | alterego already found sysroot? :D | 21:40 |
| rantom | Though there's no way to type in portrait so | 21:40 |
| rokr1 | ovi so that u can share location | 21:40 |
| biertie | my phone says that I need "nokia pc suite" to update to pr 1.3 , so how can one update if he doesn't use windows? o.0 | 21:40 |
| rantom | Also, Hildon Application-Manager seems to be fixed for portrait | 21:40 |
| rantom | Hmm | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | biertie: with flasher | 21:40 |
| rantom | Although the background-image is duplicated | 21:40 |
| biertie | wtf | 21:40 |
| jacekowski | ~flashing | 21:40 |
| infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:40 |
| biertie | not again -_- | 21:40 |
| hrw | rantom: h-a-m should be removed | 21:40 |
| rantom | hrw: True | 21:40 |
| hrw | ~pr1.5 | 21:40 |
| * infobot beats hrw with a Nostradamus papercopy 50.8 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 21:40 | |
| hrw | ;d | 21:40 |
| l0up_ | biertie: maybe you dont have enough space on rootfs | 21:40 |
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| l0up_ | biertie: you cant use OTA update unless you have required amount of space on rootfs | 21:41 |
| biertie | l0up_: I don't think that's the issue, because I had that with the other release, but then he just told me that was the problem :) | 21:41 |
| hrw | biertie: you need 47MB free on / | 21:41 |
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| rantom | I had 72 Mb | 21:42 |
| l0up_ | biertie: i had the same notification and checked the rootfs space and it was 14 megs short | 21:42 |
| rantom | No luck, had to re-flash 1.2 in | 21:42 |
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| l0up_ | biertie: and i also had to remove libgles1-sgx-img to get update | 21:42 |
| biertie | l0up_: hrw: I still have 85MB free on my root fs | 21:42 |
| hrw | rantom: if you have space and h-a-m complains then go to terminal and do "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" as a root | 21:43 |
| rokr1 | Harri Hakulinen -> who is this guy | 21:43 |
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| rokr1 | i need to meet him with Maemo public interest | 21:43 |
| ieatlint | i'm doing ota now, had 76.9mb at start | 21:43 |
| rokr1 | dual boot eh | 21:43 |
| rantom | hrw: I'll try to remember to do that the next time, thanks | 21:43 |
| rantom | hrw: It was just easier this time around to re-flash the OS and do it from that | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | rokr1: that line of text was blown out of proportion, you expected PR1.3 to install meego too? :P | 21:44 |
| CreamyG | heh i tried doing it with fapman, that crashed but it kept updating. used all 48m of rootfs. definitely not installed right. | 21:44 |
| rantom | I unfortunately lost all my applications but fortunately got also rid of those, that I didn't really need :D | 21:44 |
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| hrw | rantom: I do not have time to reinstall all apps and re-add all hacks which I have in rootfs | 21:44 |
| rantom | I do | 21:45 |
| rantom | I'm unemployed | 21:45 |
| rantom | :) | 21:45 |
| ieatlint | heh, i love that one of the bugs fixed is "incorrect grammar" | 21:45 |
| rokr1 | shame | 21:45 |
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| * javispedro 's going to love tmo's "How do I dualboot this PR1.3 meego?" thread. | 21:45 | |
| rokr1 | not enough space to upgrade | 21:45 |
| rokr1 | uninstall few apps | 21:45 |
| * javispedro grabs popcorn while waiting for tmo to load | 21:45 | |
| RST38h | javis: the right answer is "you don't"? | 21:47 |
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| ieatlint | just keep pressing refresh | 21:47 |
| javispedro | RST38h: exactly. And it's gonna make some lemmings quite angry. | 21:47 |
| ieatlint | in fact, open several windows and do it | 21:47 |
| RST38h | yeah | 21:47 |
| RST38h | the nokiablog guy who made the claim is gonna receive a lot of angry comments/mail | 21:48 |
| rokr1 | is it abt rootfs ?? | 21:48 |
| javispedro | RST38h: see a few lines above in the backlog for the first one | 21:48 |
| rokr1 | the reason why i cant upgrade ?? | 21:48 |
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| rantom | Damn | 21:49 |
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| rantom | The e-mail-app doesn't work with the continuous CTRL+Shift+R | 21:49 |
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| rokr1 | bad for u | 21:50 |
| rantom | Meaning : you'll have to reapply it every time you open the app | 21:50 |
| CreamyG | how do i get the install to continue, it's just listed everything as "to be installed" | 21:50 |
| * trumee doesnt care about portrait mode | 21:50 | |
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| pyther | How can I clear my home directory? | 21:51 |
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| trumee | pyther: flash the vanilla emmc firmware | 21:51 |
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| rantom | Conversations does work and I think that's it :D | 21:52 |
| rantom | Oh well | 21:52 |
| haltdef | I'm probably due a reflash, haven't nuked the lot since I got my n900 :> | 21:52 |
| rantom | Oh, and Contacts does work | 21:53 |
| rantom | No need for MyContacts for that matter then, heh | 21:53 |
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| range | Ovi Suite rocks the house. | 21:53 |
| fcrochik | rantom: just out of curiosoty what does it work on contacts that didn't before? | 21:53 |
| range | I'd rather like it to be faster. | 21:53 |
| rantom | fcrochik: I mean, that if you press the Ctrl+Shift+R you'll get the portrait-mode on | 21:54 |
| rantom | fcrochik: On PR 1.2 it was only for that time, when the app was on, otherwise you'd have to reapply it | 21:54 |
| rantom | fcrochik: Now, with PR 1.3, you don't have to reapply it, although I think reboot removes it | 21:54 |
| Oli``` | What is the package name for the base maemo system? | 21:55 |
| scoobertron | rantom: nice spot on the portrait conversations app. doesn't seem to persist for email though. which is annoying | 21:55 |
| rantom | scoobertron: There's a patch for that :) | 21:55 |
| wmarone | heheh | 21:55 |
| * wmarone watches the media player do weird things inportrait mode | 21:55 | |
| rantom | Sadly though tmo is offline so you can't download it from there. MohammadAG has made a patch for it | 21:55 |
| rantom | Also, for the Settings as well | 21:55 |
| ZogG | biertie resolve problems you get | 21:56 |
| Corsac | ios: “there's an app for that”, maemo: “there's a patch for that” | 21:56 |
| Corsac | :) | 21:56 |
| rantom | Yep | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 21:56 |
| pyther | trumee: alrigt, I'll give it a go | 21:56 |
| rokr1 | which types of files is stored in rootfs | 21:56 |
| rokr1 | ?? | 21:56 |
| l0up_ | ahh great, mobile hotspot needed just kernel-power reinstall and all is well again w/ 1.3 | 21:56 |
| rantom | MohammadAG: Nah, just talking about the patch you made for the e-mail app and System | 21:56 |
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| maybeWTF | corsac: you mean "there's a NOFIX for that" | 21:56 |
| rokr1 | i want to clear those | 21:56 |
| Corsac | maybeWTF: there's a “fixed in harmattan” for that! | 21:56 |
| rantom | Err, I mean _Settings_ | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/portrait/ | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | afaik | 21:57 |
| rantom | Well it's basically this : Maemo 5 : there's an OS to that (MeeGo) | 21:57 |
| scoobertron | rantom: is it complicated to install the patch? | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | not if you're on 1.2 | 21:58 |
| Corsac | rantom: there is not | 21:58 |
| ieatlint | Corsac: and by that you mean "just pay us another $550 when the new device comes out at some indefinite point for the fix!" | 21:58 |
| rantom | :P | 21:58 |
| rantom | MohammadAG: So it doesn't work with 1.3? | 21:58 |
| rantom | Oh, tmo is up | 21:58 |
| ieatlint | quick, everyone reload and take it back down | 21:59 |
| maybeWTF | but for how long! | 21:59 |
| rantom | :D | 21:59 |
| rantom | 5 mins, tops | 21:59 |
| rokr1 | anyone who uses mugen battery? | 21:59 |
| MohammadAG | rantom, it does, it will break the metapackage though | 21:59 |
| rantom | So not recommended, I assume | 21:59 |
| javispedro | ah, here comes the cherry sms | 22:00 |
| ieatlint | looks like Stskeeps gave a nice and precise answer to the "how do i dual-boot?" thread | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | well, I suppose there isn't a PR1.4, so it shouldn't matter | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear, i forgot to check back in there.. | 22:01 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: he's a karma whore, after all *clicks thanks link* | 22:01 |
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| ieatlint | hehe | 22:01 |
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| ieatlint | just wait for the requests to push out the u-boot package now | 22:01 |
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| RST38h | Sts, you old dirty karma whore... =) | 22:01 |
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| Noobmonk3y | :P | 22:02 |
| * Noobmonk3y stares at Stskeeps | 22:02 | |
| * Noobmonk3y stares at some bacon.... | 22:02 | |
| Stskeeps | mm bacon | 22:02 |
| * Noobmonk3y still prefers bacon | 22:02 | |
| Stskeeps | i had bacon today. | 22:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe | 22:03 |
| ieatlint | oooh, bacon | 22:03 |
| * Noobmonk3y just had bacon :) | 22:03 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, at least he admits it, HA! :P | 22:03 |
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| * javispedro stares at his account balance after having to send the cherry sms again | 22:03 | |
| RST38h | Hey,I have no problems admiting I am an old dirty karma whore =) | 22:03 |
| RST38h | Not that it were particularly true but anyways | 22:03 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ffs this upgrade is takin a while | 22:03 |
| ieatlint | well, that raped my battery, but otherwise a successful update :) | 22:04 |
| javispedro | ah, freshly flashed n900. smells like new! | 22:04 |
| RST38h | javispedro: the old fashioned apt-get way seems to work too, so far | 22:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | ieatlint: how long for the actual install? | 22:04 |
| ieatlint | ooooh.... email client is much faster | 22:04 |
| rantom | http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard gah, still no activity considering the development | 22:05 |
| rantom | Dammit | 22:05 |
| ieatlint | uh, including the backup, about an hour | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | ignoring the backup lol | 22:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | the install is sitting there on about 2% for me :P | 22:05 |
| ieatlint | err, no, wait, 45min | 22:05 |
| ieatlint | 30min for the update, and about 15 for the backup | 22:05 |
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| ieatlint | and that included the download OTA on 3g | 22:05 |
| rokr1 | how much rootfs space is enough for update | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh ok!, well i'm using wifi | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | so should be ok | 22:06 |
| rokr1 | it seems like i need a lot space | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | rokr1: 73mb is not enough, 80 is lol | 22:06 |
| kerio | BACOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON | 22:06 |
| RST38h | A handwriting recognition him plugin would be more fun | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | morning kerio ;) | 22:06 |
| rokr1 | for update noobmonk3y | 22:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup rokr1 | 22:06 |
| RST38h | Someone even got it running, just not stable enough | 22:06 |
| rokr1 | but nice one | 22:06 |
| ieatlint | it ultimately dropped my rootfs free space by about 4.7mb | 22:07 |
| rokr1 | oh no | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | just removed all then still had to symlink something to get enough room, with all barr one catalogue disabled!! | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | but tbh........... my backup was taken before, so doesnt bother me | 22:07 |
| ieatlint | rokr1: i just did it with 76.9mb free... don't know what the minimum is | 22:07 |
| rokr1 | noob u not kidding rite ?? | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | will just reinstall it | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | nope rokr1 | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | spent the last 1.5hrs uninstalling | 22:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 22:07 |
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| rokr1 | nice | 22:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | brb grill to clean whilst it installs :)P | 22:08 |
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| rokr1 | then wats ****** OTA for ?? | 22:08 |
| * RST38h installed, upgrading third party packages now | 22:08 | |
| RST38h | have not rebooted yet, so may well end up with a brick | 22:08 |
| ZogG | what is restore application in app namager? | 22:08 |
| ZogG | manager* | 22:08 |
| ZogG | RST38h, hope you suffer as i did =) | 22:09 |
| ieatlint | so cheerful :) | 22:09 |
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| rantom | Damn | 22:10 |
| rantom | MeeGo Forums are down too | 22:10 |
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| RST38h | I do not see it flash a new kernel, is it ok? | 22:11 |
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| habmala | okey, this probably is a silly question ;) but with the forums down and the wiki not saying anything, What does the update do, Bugfixes yes, but is there a changelog somewhere, or anything like that? | 22:12 |
| redeeman | is there a way to offline flash pr 1.3 without overwriting existing stuff? | 22:12 |
| ZogG | RST38h i don't think it has new kernel | 22:12 |
| ZogG | redeeman, yes and no, flash offline but you need to install all apps from begining after that | 22:13 |
| ZogG | use backup manager for that | 22:13 |
| RST38h | ZogG ah ok | 22:13 |
| ieatlint | i installed with power kernel ... no issues, although i haven't actually checked if power kernel is still there | 22:13 |
| redeeman | the backup tool on the phone or on some flash tool? | 22:13 |
| RST38h | So, mine seemsto have installed PR1.3 | 22:14 |
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| ZogG | redeeman phone | 22:14 |
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| ZogG | RST38h, mine too | 22:14 |
| redeeman | that backs up applications? | 22:14 |
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| ZogG | RST38h, but flashed - now all apps =( | 22:14 |
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| ieatlint | woo.. me too! | 22:14 |
| ieatlint | redeeman: no | 22:14 |
| ZogG | redeeman list of applications and configs | 22:14 |
| ieatlint | it backs up a list of installed application | 22:14 |
| ieatlint | which you can then in theory re-install from the repos | 22:14 |
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| redeeman | i see | 22:15 |
| redeeman | i wanted to do OTA, but my wifi is broken | 22:15 |
| ieatlint | i did it over 3g | 22:15 |
| rokr1_ | here i have no space | 22:15 |
| ieatlint | 87mb download... on 3g it took little time | 22:16 |
| ZogG | redeeman steel from neighbours | 22:16 |
| redeeman | that appears broken too | 22:16 |
| redeeman | ZogG: nono, on the phone | 22:16 |
| knightstalker | Flash gone smooth,Wow,Not lost any music/video,Not lost any backups so not lost conversation,app list and..,OMG,what a nice flash XD | 22:16 |
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| knightstalker | and the good part is its fixed :D | 22:16 |
| alterego | Try accessing your wifi hotspots :P | 22:16 |
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| alterego | I lost my wifi hotspots .. | 22:17 |
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| guille_ | to install the PR1.3 to a bricked device which has the default firmware, do I need to follow special steps or just flash the latest EMMC and then the PR1.3? | 22:17 |
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| alterego | guille_: yes exactly | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG | eMMC reflash will wipe MyDocs | 22:17 |
| alterego | There's nothing special about a bricked | 22:17 |
| ieatlint | hah, the led turns red now when you use the front camera | 22:17 |
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| alterego | "bricked" .. | 22:17 |
| guille_ | alterego: yep, it was just in case | 22:18 |
| guille_ | thanks | 22:18 |
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| javispedro | a suggestion: when you upgrade your sdk, disable extras-devel there too. | 22:21 |
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| MohammadAG | javispedro, why? | 22:22 |
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| redeeman | is there a way i can flash only the kernel? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | yes | 22:22 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: for example the ttf broken stuff that... uh | 22:23 |
| * javispedro notes that.. | 22:24 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, oh, my upgrade went fine :) | 22:24 |
| javispedro | ohno. oh no. | 22:24 |
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| javispedro | today is 2010-10-25 ? | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | no, 25-10-2010 :P | 22:24 |
| javispedro | so we get to keep the _borked_ sdlttf in tools repo? | 22:25 |
| redeeman | also my progress bar appears to go all jumpy when i start the device, but im not on pr 1.3 yet | 22:25 |
| redeeman | this seemed to happen same time as my wifi breaking | 22:25 |
| ZogG | <redeeman> is there a way i can flash only the kernel? // it's all in flashing wiki on maemo, but anyway kernel flash wouldn't get you pr1.3 | 22:25 |
| redeeman | i cant go onto 3g either | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, we get to keep a lot of borked stuff | 22:25 |
| RST38h | Upgraded just fine! Hurrrraaah | 22:25 |
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| redeeman | ZogG: i know, its just that i would like to try reflash my kernel to fix wifi, even though i seriously doubt its gonna work | 22:25 |
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| * MohammadAG wants his old laptop HDD back, grr | 22:26 | |
| RST38h | javispedro,Mohammad: Have you noticed anything diffeent though? So far it feels exactly like the previous version | 22:26 |
| MohammadAG | nah, it has a bug or two more | 22:27 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/symbian-foundation-winding-down-operations/ | 22:27 |
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| ieatlint | the only thing i've noticed that's new that isn't a fixed bug is the red led when the front camera is turned on | 22:28 |
| RST38h | and we waited 6 months for that? | 22:28 |
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| * MohammadAG noticed modest has zoom, not sure if that was there before | 22:28 | |
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| redeeman | my bluetooth also disappeared | 22:29 |
| lolloo | this update is for MEEMO | 22:29 |
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| javispedro | seriooooooooously | 22:29 |
| lolloo | to duel boot with n900 | 22:29 |
| redeeman | is the bluetooth/wifi on same physical transciever? | 22:29 |
| javispedro | do all libqtm libs really need to be in user/*? | 22:29 |
| Myrtti | duel boot? wohey! | 22:29 |
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| MohammadAG | meemo, hybrid maemo/meego? | 22:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol wtf washed the grill and kitchen and update still only at 25% lol! | 22:29 |
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| lolloo | ya | 22:30 |
| ieatlint | lolloo: pr1.3 doesn't add that functionality | 22:30 |
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| lolloo | it does | 22:30 |
| lolloo | it adds multiboot support | 22:30 |
| trumee | i love fapman, going to install 87 apps in one go. brilliant! | 22:30 |
| lolloo | for meego | 22:30 |
| Myrtti | is it a fight with swords duel, or fight with muskets duel? | 22:30 |
| ieatlint | i don't believe it installed a new u-boot | 22:30 |
| javispedro | lolloo: multiboot support! I will be able to boot GRUB? | 22:30 |
| lolloo | it is made specially for Meego, | 22:31 |
| ieatlint | and a new u-boot is 99% of what is needed to enable multi-boot | 22:31 |
| lolloo | dunno about other things | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | lolloo, yes. | 22:31 |
| Arkenoi | seems that browser was definitely improved, esp. portrait mode | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | lolloo, PS3s, too. | 22:31 |
| * MohammadAG loves how BS spreads fast | 22:31 | |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: they enabled reflow? | 22:31 |
| lolloo | am upgrading to 1.3 just for Meego | 22:31 |
| javispedro | RST38h: you have to ask, really? | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, no, ha ha | 22:31 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yes, because I am such a morbid kind of guy | 22:32 |
| GAN900 | lolloo, I heard PR1.4 will BE MeeGo. | 22:32 |
| lolloo | omg dunno about that | 22:32 |
| javispedro | and I heard that by PR1.77 they will start following user/* packaging rules properly!! | 22:32 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, liar. | 22:32 |
| * RST38h has heard PR1.5 will be Android | 22:33 | |
| lolloo | go meego website | 22:33 |
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| * Noobmonk3y grumbles | 22:33 | |
| * MohammadAG heard PR2.0 will be able to divide by zero! | 22:33 | |
| GAN900 | RST38h, will it have a stupid pastry name? | 22:33 |
| pyther | I was hoping for a python update | 22:33 |
| ieatlint | MohammadAG: nice! | 22:33 |
| RST38h | GAN900: Yes. It will be named Shitcake. | 22:33 |
| javispedro | mwahah | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 22:33 |
| RST38h | Just to add insult to the injury you know | 22:33 |
| lolloo | But I also want the Meego dualboot possibility when it comes about | 22:34 |
| BugBlue | ~pr1.3 | 22:34 |
| infobot | methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 22:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | :P | 22:34 |
| BugBlue | ~pr1.4 | 22:34 |
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| infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject | 22:34 |
| lolloo | But isn't PR1.3 supposed to bring changes to bootloader or method in order to accomodate official Meego dual-booting? | 22:34 |
| BCMM | wait what? | 22:34 |
| RST38h | ~pr1.5 | 22:34 |
| BCMM | pr1.3 came out? | 22:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | lolloo , when uboot is available yes | 22:34 |
| * infobot beats rst38h with a Nostradamus papercopy 26.4 times. "That's your PR1.5!" | 22:34 | |
| Noobmonk3y | ;) | 22:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | bcmm yes | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | lolloo, atm, no | 22:34 |
| RST38h | ~pr1.6 | 22:34 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.6 is the future man! | 22:34 |
| lolloo | ok | 22:34 |
| BugBlue | BCMM: yes | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 22:34 |
| RST38h | ~pr1.7 | 22:34 |
| BCMM | did we get flash 10? | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | no, duh | 22:34 |
| RST38h | aha, it does not know of pr1.7 | 22:34 |
| Arkenoi | rst38h: nope, but it looks better somehow. actually there was some poor man's reflow activated by some obscure hotkey, but it did not work always | 22:34 |
| BCMM | what does pr stand for anyway? | 22:35 |
| ShadowJK | lolloo, I think it's about kexec | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: correction | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: It is not poor man, it is a pretty decent reflow | 22:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | BCMM: Poodle Reduction | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Activated with Ctrl+Shift+I | 22:35 |
| BCMM | public release? point release? | 22:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | everytime you install it, it kills a poodle | 22:35 |
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| * RST38h catches and reduces a poodle, with extreme prejudice | 22:35 | |
| Arkenoi | RST38h, yep, but sometimes it just stops working and that's all :-( | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Correction | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: Not sometimes but every time you open a new window :) | 22:36 |
| BCMM | what's "Ovi Suite" | 22:36 |
| * dreamer update to pr1.3 | 22:36 | |
| dreamer | fingers crosed :D | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Arkenoi: (and yes, it sucks, considering that all they had to do was add a setting for it) | 22:36 |
| njsf1 | well I am still restoring the apps.... | 22:36 |
| * javispedro updates to Shitcake | 22:36 | |
| Myrtti | awww, my new Nokia sponsored nailpolish is a bit shite | 22:36 |
| njsf1 | for ~40m now | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | btw | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | with each PR, there used to be an update for widgets | 22:36 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Is it BLUE? | 22:37 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: no, but I've got enough moneys on the gift certificate left to buy blue! | 22:37 |
| BCMM | ~flashing | 22:37 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:37 |
| D-man | umm.. guys.. how long does this update take to install? | 22:37 |
| lolloo | http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/pr1-3-just-released-now-with-qt4-7-and-qt-mobility/ | 22:37 |
| BCMM | so what does the "slowly but surely" bit mean? | 22:37 |
| lolloo | can anyone explain? | 22:38 |
| njsf1 | flashing: 10m tops | 22:38 |
| lolloo | Meego is supported | 22:38 |
| njsf1 | restoring your apps: timeless :D | 22:38 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 22:38 |
| D-man | k, thx | 22:38 |
| Arkenoi | ..and it still takes several seconds for any Qt program to start :-/ | 22:38 |
| trumee | modest client is quite quick with NM in PR1.3 | 22:38 |
| BCMM | lolloo: no, it says that it now has the same version of Qt as meego 1.1 will have, making porting stuff easy | 22:39 |
| javispedro | haaaaaaaaargh argh arhg | 22:39 |
| javispedro | bah. | 22:39 |
| BCMM | trumee: "NM"? | 22:39 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: ...and an N8! =) | 22:39 |
| lolloo | hahaha thanks BCMM | 22:39 |
| BCMM | ^easier, rather | 22:39 |
| njsf1 | BCMM: nokia messaging ? | 22:39 |
| BCMM | ah | 22:39 |
| BCMM | so is there a changelog somewhere? | 22:40 |
| lolloo | is QT important? | 22:40 |
| lolloo | no there isnt BCMM | 22:40 |
| lolloo | sorry | 22:40 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I wish | 22:40 |
| ieatlint | nah, qt is a minor lib | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | ~pr1.3 | 22:40 |
| infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt | 22:40 |
| BCMM | lolloo: it's "Qt" ("QT" mean QuickTime) | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG | release notes | 22:40 |
| BCMM | MohammadAG: ain't that for the SDK? | 22:41 |
| javispedro | yes | 22:41 |
| RST38h | POP3 still takes forever to update in this PR | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, who uses POP :P | 22:41 |
| ieatlint | i think qt-mobility 1.0.2 was actually available for pr1.2, heh | 22:41 |
| javispedro | so, you get each package's new version number and manually see each package's debian/changelog | 22:41 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: me. | 22:41 |
| BCMM | lolloo: Qt is a cross-platform framework for C++ | 22:41 |
| BCMM | lolloo: amongst other things, it's a way of making graphical applications | 22:41 |
| javispedro | overclock pr1.3 omg!! | 22:42 |
| RST38h | HAMseems to be a bit faster now | 22:42 |
| RST38h | And not that bad to the rest of the system, although this will only show after 7 days or so | 22:42 |
| BCMM | lolloo: Qt is slowly replacing GTK+ as the standard GUI toolkit for maemo | 22:43 |
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| Noobmonk3y | wohoooooooooooooooooo ... still installing | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Odd. | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Still no OTA. | 22:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | speed, where are you ? | 22:43 |
| lolloo | awesome info thanks alot BCMM | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Scotland. | 22:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | vodafine uk? | 22:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | vodafone! | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Though for IP-location purposes - england. | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | no. | 22:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol freudian slip | 22:44 |
| VladNistor | I'm having an issue upgrading libgsf-1, would that be a problem? apparently it is "The GNOME Structured File Library (GSF) is an I/O abstraction for reading/writing compound files." as per http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libgsf-1/1.14.18-3/ | 22:44 |
| lolloo | I guess N900 needs a good gaphical interface | 22:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmm me is england | 22:44 |
| * javispedro does apt-get update inside DIABLO scratchbox... no luck. | 22:44 | |
| SpeedEvil | I bought outright. | 22:44 |
| VladNistor | (as part of pr1.3) | 22:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | generic firmware | 22:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | but took me a few hours to uninstall apps etc to get the ota | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | I do have a vodaphone SIM 1m from the phone, but I don't think that would affect it. :) | 22:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | what firmware though? | 22:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | erm, it may do speed | 22:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | people are pointing out it does look kinda blocked | 22:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | theres a thread on it at the mo | 22:45 |
| Myrtti | javispedro: optimist | 22:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | i'm voda, but using wireless | 22:45 |
| VladNistor | libgsf-1 fails on step: Optifying usr/share/doc/libgsf-1 -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/libgsf-1 | 22:45 |
| BCMM | so is this going to wipe out installed apps again? | 22:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | bcmm - yes and it kills all hamsters | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: the SIM is not installed in the phone, and i'm connected through plusnet | 22:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh, randomness | 22:46 |
| Arkenoi | and it still takes FOUR taps to get to your inbox in Modest and no one sees any problem in that | 22:47 |
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| ahynes1 | :q | 22:47 |
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| RST38h | BTW how do I make app menu scroll faster in PR1.3 hildon-desktop? | 22:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | oh ffs, at this rate the install will finish some time near 1am | 22:48 |
| RST38h | is there a setting? | 22:48 |
| mgedmin | hm, the only bug fix I mildly care about in PR 1.3 is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8394 | 22:48 |
| povbot | Bug 8394: apostrophe (') in title gets translated to &pos; for Flickr | 22:48 |
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| * Aranel noticed that 59 Megabytes of free rootfs is enough. No need to free up 80~ megabytes, but definitely need 50+ | 22:51 | |
| ShadowJK | I had 100+ free | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | When I handed in my N900 for repairs 2.5 weeks ago :( | 22:52 |
| Aranel | I admire you :P I've moved everything to free up space, microb, locales and lots of other system apps | 22:52 |
| Aranel | and It's still 59. | 22:52 |
| RST38h | haven't you already had to repair it? | 22:52 |
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| CreamyG | i did it with 48 | 22:52 |
| ShadowJK | RST38h, it's still on the first trip to repair | 22:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | Aranel: 73 is not enough, i had to get just over 80 | 22:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh | 22:53 |
| RST38h | oh | 22:53 |
| CreamyG | just apt-get upgrade -f after it fails to install half of everything :| | 22:53 |
| * RST38h installed with 65MB | 22:53 | |
| Noobmonk3y | (i started at 36mb free! - took a while!) | 22:53 |
| javispedro | hm.. | 22:53 |
| javispedro | hm.. | 22:53 |
| javispedro | n900-fmrx-enabler?? | 22:53 |
| RST38h | it works ok if you apt-get install | 22:53 |
| * Noobmonk3y is up to the 'a' in 'Updating' about 25%?! | 22:54 | |
| Aranel | Noobmonk3y: and it worked? | 22:54 |
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| Noobmonk3y | well its installing! | 22:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | has been for over an hour | 22:54 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, saw that too. | 22:54 |
| Aranel | wow. | 22:54 |
| javispedro | n900-fmrx-enabler is now in the base image. I guess some qt mobilility thingie? | 22:54 |
| javispedro | (previously it was part of fmradio...) | 22:54 |
| GAN900 | Listed under Ovi Software. | 22:54 |
| Aranel | I wonder If my rootfs is corrupt or something, I've removed lots of apps, moved/symlinked everything I found and It's still 50 free. | 22:55 |
| javispedro | it's not bad that they sometimes "standarize" on community-made stuff. | 22:55 |
| javispedro | if the "official" ovi fm radio player uses it... the better. | 22:55 |
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| trumee | Arkenoi: yes four taps to reach email is horrible | 22:55 |
| javispedro | my only gripe... did it also have to be user/*????? | 22:56 |
| * javispedro sighs | 22:56 | |
| Aranel | javispedro: I was going to ask you but got disconnected; you said that there's a folder above com.ea.foo, what's the name of that folder? | 22:56 |
| pyther | is the sdk update to build againt PR 1.3? | 22:56 |
| javispedro | Aranel: "applications". | 22:56 |
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| ieatlint | huh, i'm wondering if the qtm-location update has changed the default location type from satellite to other... with things like ovi maps, i can lock on gps in under 10s, but qtm-location/qgeosource i can only get the cell tower approx with a 4km accuracy | 22:56 |
| Aranel | javispedro: thanks =) Now I'm going to copy it to my N900. | 22:57 |
| Aranel | javispedro: btw I'm pretty sure that you already know that but you don't mention it because it's not perfectly legal, anyway: you don't need a Pre to get those files. | 22:57 |
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| Aranel | javispedro: I think adding this information to thread might be useful. | 22:57 |
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| Jaco2k | Hi all | 22:57 |
| javispedro | Aranel: so, how are you buying the games without a Pre? | 22:58 |
| Jaco2k | I don't have PR1.3 in OTA but... can I upgrade if I apt-get dist-upgrade? ;) | 22:58 |
| rokr1_ | dont do that | 22:59 |
| javispedro | RST38h: tbh, HAM seems more slower than even. It's taking me a while to remove all the cruft. | 22:59 |
| javispedro | *ever | 22:59 |
| rokr1_ | u may brick u r phone | 22:59 |
| Noobmonk3y | woohooo 30% updated | 22:59 |
| Aranel | javispedro: well.. *I'm caught :p* maybe you can buy the game, then download .ipk from official repos (if it's not possible, pirating is the only way :|) and uncompress it. | 22:59 |
| Jaco2k | so, better wait or manually flash? | 22:59 |
| rokr1_ | use flasher | 23:00 |
| Jaco2k | k | 23:00 |
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| Aranel | javispedro: It's not perfectly legal but It's better than nothing, worth mentioning i think. | 23:00 |
| rokr1_ | or just uninstall all the apps if u can and then do a OTA update | 23:00 |
| javispedro | Aranel: if you find a way of buying them without owning a Pre, do tell. | 23:00 |
| Jaco2k | OTA update is not available in my location yet | 23:00 |
| Jaco2k | I will make a backup, flash and restore ;) | 23:01 |
| rokr1_ | lol in finland | 23:01 |
| Jaco2k | ironically, yes | 23:01 |
| rokr1_ | NOKIA NOKIA | 23:01 |
| Jaco2k | :) | 23:01 |
| Jaco2k | if it came after 16h, everyone was home already :D | 23:01 |
| rokr1_ | look properly | 23:01 |
| rokr1_ | try to do it again | 23:01 |
| Aranel | javispedro: dunno if it's possible. Maybe It's possible to trick Pre Store, I'm not sure. | 23:02 |
| chx | is OTA available over wifi? | 23:02 |
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| chx | or should i stick a SIM in? | 23:02 |
| Aranel | chx: yes. | 23:02 |
| SpeedEvil | chx: yes | 23:02 |
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| Jaco2k | checking my catalogues to be 300% sure | 23:02 |
| chx | yes to SIM? | 23:02 |
| Jaco2k | anyone here got it in Finland? | 23:02 |
| Aranel | chx: yes to wifi. | 23:02 |
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| chx | ah | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | chx: you don't need a SIM. Any means of IP connectivity | 23:03 |
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| rokr1_ | try over vpn | 23:03 |
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| * chx opens his crate of carrier grade pigeons. | 23:03 | |
| Jaco2k | ..."Checking for updates"... | 23:04 |
| Aranel | How do you guys handle the rootfs problem? Don't you install non-optified apps, or do you create new partitions, or just symlinking? | 23:04 |
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| the_lord | ~flashing | 23:05 |
| Jaco2k | eh? rootfs has not been a problem in ages | 23:05 |
| infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:05 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there a changelog for 1.3? | 23:05 |
| rokr1_ | jaco2k just down load firmware from nokia's website | 23:05 |
| Corsac | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 is still empty | 23:05 |
| rokr1_ | i mean maemo's website | 23:05 |
| Jaco2k | how many apps you have installed if rootfs is a problem?? :D | 23:05 |
| Aranel | Jaco2k: It's a huge problem for me. It's always low. | 23:05 |
| rokr1_ | all ofem | 23:05 |
| Jaco2k | rokr1: Ah! Thought you were talking about OTA! :) Yes, I know the firmware can be had from the website and that is where I was heading ;) | 23:06 |
| Aranel | Over a hundred plus some multiboot tricks (They use 10~ mb) | 23:06 |
| rokr1_ | i am preparing my phone for flashing | 23:06 |
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| Jaco2k | there ain't much to prepare... :D | 23:06 |
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| Jaco2k | make a backup | 23:06 |
| Jaco2k | flash | 23:06 |
| rokr1_ | its like doing a postmortem | 23:06 |
| Jaco2k | restore backup :D | 23:06 |
| rokr1_ | i am not worried abt apps | 23:07 |
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| rokr1_ | but contacts | 23:07 |
| Jaco2k | backup keeps those also | 23:07 |
| Jaco2k | backup keeps everything | 23:07 |
| rokr1_ | i would advice the same | 23:07 |
| rokr1_ | every thing is waste | 23:07 |
| rokr1_ | just collect all ur contacts | 23:07 |
| rokr1_ | if u have a fast internet | 23:08 |
| Jaco2k | Contacts (just in case...) I always sync with Outlook | 23:08 |
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| Jaco2k | anyone knows if we need to flash a new eMMC? | 23:08 |
| Jaco2k | or is it enough to flash Vanilla? | 23:08 |
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| Jef91 | Is that pr 1.3 i see in my maemo updates this morning? | 23:08 |
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| rokr1_ | i dont know abt u but i am about to flash both | 23:09 |
| rokr1_ | because it seems its revised image | 23:09 |
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| rokr1_ | may be optimized | 23:09 |
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| Jaco2k | yeah | 23:10 |
| Jaco2k | I think the same | 23:10 |
| Jaco2k | ...one more thing to backup ;) | 23:10 |
| Jaco2k | ouch | 23:10 |
| rokr1_ | eMMC content 1.2009.41-1 Vs eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 | 23:10 |
| Jaco2k | 25 mins to move all the stuff out! | 23:10 |
| Oli``` | Are there any reasons an unbranded UK N900 wouldn't have its OTA 1.3 update showing? Could there be a package conflict? How could I find out? | 23:10 |
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| Jef91 | Anyone have a link to the firmware image off hand? | 23:10 |
| hardaker | flashing worked great for me aside from wiping out my whole contact DB! (whoops) | 23:10 |
| rokr1_ | yes | 23:11 |
| rokr1_ | oli | 23:11 |
| Jaco2k | hardaker: but of course you made a backup and now you can restore it, right? right? :) | 23:11 |
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| tybollt | wtf is up w/ tmo today anyway? | 23:11 |
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| Noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooo 35%! | 23:11 |
| hardaker | that's *after* restoring everything from a backup. | 23:11 |
| pyther | I forgot to backup my mplayer binary | 23:11 |
| Jaco2k | ooooook... | 23:11 |
| Jaco2k | hmmmm | 23:11 |
| ponyofdeath | hi guys after upgradging to 1.3 via image i do an restore backup then i do apt-get dist-upgrade and i see that quite a bit of packages are slotted for removal like ones that seem are system packages any ideas? | 23:11 |
| hardaker | (I'm restoring the communication and calendar again now while crossing my fingers. It's really hard to type with crossed fingers) | 23:11 |
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| rokr1_ | come on pyther | 23:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Oli```: me too! | 23:12 |
| pyther | rokr1_: worse yet I think I got rid of the vm with sdk | 23:12 |
| pyther | so I have to recompile that | 23:12 |
| pyther | err.. reinstall that | 23:12 |
| * Jaco2k makes a mental note: Make sure to sync with Outlook to preserve contacts. Just in case... | 23:12 | |
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| rokr1_ | its fine | 23:12 |
| rokr1_ | but thats the only way it seems | 23:12 |
| rokr1_ | cannot do a OTA | 23:13 |
| rokr1_ | so i need to flash | 23:13 |
| dreamer | oh dear, pr1.3 seems to be quite buggy here | 23:13 |
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| dreamer | at least, everything is damned buggy | 23:13 |
| dreamer | eh, slow* | 23:13 |
| rokr1_ | good thing is that there is a new emmc version available | 23:13 |
| rokr1_ | and this is my first time to flash emmc | 23:13 |
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| Jaco2k | same | 23:14 |
| Jaco2k | need to do some reading | 23:14 |
| rokr1_ | ya | 23:14 |
| Jaco2k | you flash it first or after=? | 23:14 |
| rokr1_ | thats wat i am doing | 23:14 |
| Trewas666 | how much does the pr1.3 upgrade require free space in root, or is there some other reason why it refuses to upgrade OTA? | 23:14 |
| Oli``` | SpeedEvil: I guess I'll just try to forget about 1.3 for a few days and try again. I mean it's been 6-12 months for some of these bugs... I'm sure a few more days won't kill me. | 23:14 |
| Jaco2k | I have read conflicting | 23:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oli```: me too | 23:14 |
| Jaco2k | Trewas: Try to disable some catalogs/repos | 23:14 |
| rokr1_ | i read and compared flashing instructions for my E6 perfectly | 23:14 |
| rokr1_ | once | 23:14 |
| dreamer | wow, my n900 is completely unuseable now -_- (and ofcourse I did not make a backup ..) | 23:15 |
| rokr1_ | upon a time | 23:15 |
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| Jaco2k | dreamer: Was it OTA? | 23:15 |
| rokr1_ | nice just flash firmware dreamer | 23:15 |
| dreamer | Jaco2k: OTA? | 23:15 |
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| dreamer | I upgraded using the package manager btw | 23:15 |
| Jaco2k | Did you get a notification from App manager to update? ;) | 23:15 |
| rokr1_ | contents in the emmc will not be destroyed | 23:15 |
| Trewas | Jaco2k: already did, 72MB free in root and no good idea how to check which packages should be removed to make more free space there | 23:16 |
| rokr1_ | as i told earlier apt-get upgrade uh huh | 23:16 |
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| dreamer | Jaco2k: I did an update then upgrade packages (actually using the 'faster application manager', which is still apt ofcourse) | 23:16 |
| dreamer | and maemo5 was available | 23:16 |
| Jaco2k | can it be the slowness is coming from the tracker indexer running? | 23:16 |
| Jaco2k | I guess you now have a shitload of conflicting packages | 23:17 |
| dreamer | I rebooted when it was done | 23:17 |
| dreamer | but, now I rebooted again and it seems ok | 23:17 |
| dreamer | yeah it's actually fine now .. weird stuff | 23:17 |
| Jaco2k | tracker indexer | 23:17 |
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| dreamer | what's that Jaco2k ? | 23:17 |
| Jaco2k | it was probably re-indexing all your data | 23:17 |
| chx | carrier pigeons work. | 23:17 |
| chx | :p | 23:18 |
| chx | now downloading. | 23:18 |
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| Jaco2k | now then... flasher in Linux or flasher in Windows? Decisions, decisions.. :D | 23:18 |
| Corsac | ssu | 23:18 |
| rokr1_ | go with linux | 23:18 |
| rokr1_ | 1 st priority | 23:18 |
| Jaco2k | last time I did it with Windows and it went fine | 23:19 |
| rokr1_ | me too its my first time in linux | 23:19 |
| Jaco2k | actually, don't quote me on this, I think the Windows flasher is recommended over the Linux one.. .;) | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | it's not | 23:19 |
| jacekowski | it's same software | 23:19 |
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| rokr1_ | for noobs ys | 23:19 |
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| vltR | hi all, question: i flashed rootfs without -R , then im trying to flash eMMC, but still 'device not found' .. what to do ? | 23:20 |
| Jaco2k | I would also think there is no difference | 23:20 |
| rokr1_ | i am a daring person | 23:20 |
| chx | So... is my phone going to run all iPhone and Android apps after this miraculous upgrade? | 23:20 |
| * chx runs | 23:20 | |
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| ShadowJK | Well, if you're comparing flasher-3.5 to NSU... then I'd say flasher-3.5 wins anyday | 23:20 |
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| ShadowJK | except in beginner friendliness ;p | 23:20 |
| Jaco2k | flasher is as basic as it comes :D | 23:20 |
| rokr1_ | cool vlty u have to flash emmc first then firmware | 23:20 |
| ShadowJK | I was going to say that NSU is pretty basic in what it does, flasher is more powerful ;) | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't matter | 23:21 |
| rokr1_ | or should had | 23:21 |
| jacekowski | just don't reboot in between | 23:21 |
| chx | mmmm fast downloads++ | 23:21 |
| Jaco2k | jacekowski: Thanks for the tips | 23:21 |
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| rokr1_ | really jace?? | 23:22 |
| vltR | rokr1_: how to flash emmc first? i can't do that because still 'device not found' | 23:22 |
| dreamer | Jaco2k: what, like an updatedb? | 23:22 |
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| thorbjorn | Eep, my N900 says Maemo update! | 23:22 |
| vltR | jacekowski: i haven't reboot | 23:22 |
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| dreamer | btw, anyone know why apt is keeping back libsdl-mixer1.2? | 23:23 |
| Jaco2k | vltR: Remove the battery, start the flasher and just push the battery in at the same time | 23:23 |
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| chx | it says updating maemo 5 20 2010 36 2 0002 | 23:24 |
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| rokr1_ | wat is r & d mode | 23:25 |
| rokr1_ | in flasher | 23:25 |
| rokr1_ | ?? | 23:25 |
| rokr1_ | to disable hardware watchdog ?? | 23:25 |
| guille_ | is the 'u' key the power button one? | 23:25 |
| Jaco2k | no | 23:26 |
| rokr1_ | nice one guille | 23:26 |
| Jaco2k | it is the "u" key :) | 23:26 |
| guille_ | haha ok ok | 23:26 |
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| Jaco2k | "Duh... where is the 'any' key? I must press it..." :D | 23:27 |
| Jaco2k | dreamer: Did you get your contacts back? | 23:27 |
| rokr1_ | slide the keyboard | 23:27 |
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| Jaco2k | and now he goes: "Oh! This has a HW keyboard also???" :D | 23:28 |
| rokr1_ | its like trouble shooting US grand mama | 23:28 |
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| thorbjorn | Oh crap, it needs PC Suite? Am I stuffed on Linux? It also says it can't update due to some other package conflicting... | 23:28 |
| Jaco2k | thorbjorn: Join the flasher group ;) | 23:28 |
| thorbjorn | Jaco2k: Won't that erase my stuff? | 23:28 |
| Jaco2k | likely | 23:29 |
| rokr1_ | Correction FLASHERS LEAGUE | 23:29 |
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| Jaco2k | but also a backup will likely bring it back | 23:29 |
| Jaco2k | although YMMV | 23:29 |
| dreamer | Jaco2k: yup, also the contacts I added after using this phone :P | 23:29 |
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| thorbjorn | Maybe I'll wait until I'm at work and use a colleague's Windows machine. | 23:29 |
| rokr1_ | i am confused emmc 1st or firmware ?? | 23:29 |
| rokr1_ | egg or chicken ? | 23:30 |
| rokr1_ | even there is a solution for that | 23:30 |
| Jaco2k | dreamer: So and just to make it clear, you COULD restore your backup, right? | 23:30 |
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| Jaco2k | rokr1_: As they said, I don't think it really matters | 23:30 |
| dreamer | Jaco2k: i did not have a backup | 23:30 |
| * dreamer was bad | 23:30 | |
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| Jaco2k | you are writing two different memory locations so... it doesn't really matter which order you do it on | 23:31 |
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| toresbe | Anyone here happen to have experience with using flasher with "--local"? | 23:31 |
| zap | Now if somebody can tell me what is "PC Suite" and how to use it to upgrade Maemo | 23:31 |
| zap | In which Fedora repository I can find it? | 23:31 |
| crashanddie | look at that, noob hour :) | 23:32 |
| crashanddie | zap: PC Suite is Windows only IIRC | 23:32 |
| zap | sure, Nokia declared today as "noob day" | 23:32 |
| crashanddie | zap: use flasher-3.5 | 23:32 |
| rokr1_ | coping my offline maps now | 23:32 |
| zap | what is "Windows"? I have two windows in my room, will it work? | 23:32 |
| toresbe | crashanddie: was that addressed at me? | 23:32 |
| Jaco2k | rokr1_: You use Nokia maps in N900? | 23:32 |
| toresbe | crashanddie: and if so, how can I get it? :) | 23:33 |
| rokr1_ | yes | 23:33 |
| Jaco2k | what are you? a masochist?? :D | 23:33 |
| crashanddie | rokr1_: are you flashing the emmc image? | 23:33 |
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| zap | why can't app manager just install the upgrade .deb without any kind of "windows"? | 23:33 |
| rokr1_ | about to y ? | 23:33 |
| rokr1_ | is there any advice | 23:33 |
| rokr1_ | ?? | 23:33 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51, MohammadAG, Stskeeps, lcuk: Let's all work together to help out on a troublesome night, yes? | 23:34 |
| jpinx-eeepc | I want to make a whole micro sd card into a chroot so I did a mkfs.ext3 on it, but it is not seen by the n900. What's the workaround'? | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: what? | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | mount it | 23:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, gf's bday? | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: the default stuff won't mount 'wierd' FSs | 23:34 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: went fine, bought her a nice watch | 23:34 |
| rokr1_ | cool | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | why didn't I think of that... | 23:34 |
| rokr1_ | wat watch !!! | 23:34 |
| crashanddie | rokr1_: well, I haven't checked the info about PR1.3, but usually you don't have to flash the emmc in order to upgrade the rootfs | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: I recommend installing 'queen beecon' - then setting up a script that is run once on system start - to mount shizzle. | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, not usually required | 23:35 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: is ext3 wierd? ;) Is there a way around this other than making a huge .img file ? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | main flash only | 23:35 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: thanks for confirming | 23:35 |
| lcuk | backup first, do main flash, restore backup | 23:35 |
| crashanddie | is the fiasco image ready on the servers? | 23:35 |
| crashanddie | Not OTA-only anymore? | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: wierd - as in not expected by the software designed to be used by windows users, and therefore expecting only *FAT | 23:35 |
| crashanddie | (I'm just getting online) | 23:35 |
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| lcuk | idk, they are being hammered at the moment, i am just heading for a shower tho | 23:36 |
| crashanddie | k | 23:36 |
| crashanddie | enjoy | 23:36 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: btw, weather's shite over here, feels like doncaster or something. | 23:36 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: ok -- what do you mean by "mount shizzle" ? | 23:36 |
| lcuk | was frosty in birmingham on sunday morning | 23:36 |
| rokr1_ | wats the difference between eMMC content 1.2009.41-1 and eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 versions | 23:37 |
| rokr1_ | ? | 23:37 |
| SpeedEvil | jpinx-eeepc: stuff that should happen near boot | 23:37 |
| lcuk | one is later than the other rokr1_ | 23:37 |
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| rokr1_ | nice one lcik | 23:37 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines lcuk with a waterproof keyboard. | 23:37 | |
| lcuk | usually its maps | 23:37 |
| lcuk | i havent gone yet, i am wasting water | 23:37 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: why waterproof? He's just moving his N900 in bullet time to evade the droplets of water | 23:38 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 23:38 | |
| SpeedEvil | A writeable accelerometer would be so cool. | 23:38 |
| jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: ok - thanks - nfc about that | 23:38 |
| * crashanddie points SpeedEvil to bluetooth-controlled pneumatic-pumps | 23:39 | |
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| rokr1_ | iphone as stethoscope | 23:39 |
| zap | hmm, so I must buy Windows in order to upgrade my Maemo5 firmware? | 23:39 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, hm? | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | zap: please stop trolling, of course not. | 23:39 |
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| crashanddie | ~flashing | 23:39 |
| infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | speedevil: i saw a movie once that had that. it also had a zero-inertia bubble of spacetime extending around the writable accelerometer | 23:39 |
| crashanddie | zap: read the above | 23:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or four of http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15230 | 23:39 |
| guille_ | after an unfortunate | 23:40 |
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| lcuk | blb | 23:40 |
| lcuk | bbl even | 23:40 |
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| chx | Operating system successfully updated!! | 23:40 |
| toresbe | Does anyone have any knowledge about using the flasher whilst running on the device itself? | 23:40 |
| zap | ok, so I will lose all custom installed packages | 23:40 |
| zap | veeeery good update | 23:40 |
| Jaco2k | hmmmm | 23:40 |
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| Jaco2k | I have it on NSU.... | 23:41 |
| Jaco2k | hmmmmmmmmmmm | 23:41 |
| Jaco2k | am I gonna regret this? :D | 23:41 |
| lcuk | zap if you cannot do ssu, yes - but using backup/restore will save the repo list and give opportunity to reinstall everything | 23:41 |
| lcuk | its main reason why I push people to make packages from hacks | 23:41 |
| Jaco2k | well, worse that can happen is I fall back to flasher if NSU borks it :) | 23:41 |
| guille_ | whoops_ apt-get dist-upgrade, the device does not boot, so the flashing. do I have any chance of get it working just installing the PR1.3? tl;dr are the packages +kernel "just" in the PR image? | 23:41 |
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| Jaco2k | anyone here done it via NSU and had issues? | 23:42 |
| zap | dist-upgrade will work? | 23:42 |
| rokr1_ | NSU is a waste | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | Jaco2k: define "NSU" | 23:42 |
| crashanddie | zap: NO | 23:42 |
| Jaco2k | Nokia Software Update | 23:42 |
| rokr1_ | time consuming | 23:42 |
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| crashanddie | zap: the guy just told you that dist-upgrade failed, and you ask if it works? | 23:42 |
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| sjk | Hello! | 23:43 |
| zap | well, I don't know why it failed for him :) | 23:43 |
| rokr1_ | hello sjk | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | zap: it'll fail for everyone | 23:43 |
| zap | meybe he don't have enough disk space | 23:43 |
| zap | ok :( | 23:43 |
| zap | and with PC Suite it will replace my packages anyway? | 23:43 |
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| ShadowJK | guille_: try just the fiasco image first before emmc image | 23:43 |
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| rokr1_ | NO ZAP | 23:43 |
| crashanddie | zap: well, it will break symlinks, so yeah, you'll lose packages, but using the backup/restore functionnality will make that change only temporary | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | zap: just backup, install, restore the backup, and you'll be a happy camper | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | zap: now go troll tmo | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | or /b/ | 23:44 |
| zap | I don't speak 4ch | 23:44 |
| zap | but I hate what I see | 23:45 |
| zap | yesterday I upgraded a computer from Fedora3 to Fedora13 without any "windows" and package loses | 23:45 |
| sjk | Hi lads. I'm interested in purchasing a new mobile phone! I have used an iPhone for a while, and I'm quite happy with it, but I miss being able to code my own applications | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | sjk: just download the SDK and code? | 23:45 |
| sjk | I'm used to coding and C and a BSD (and some Linux) environment. I don't want to learn Objective-C or Java. | 23:45 |
| sjk | Is Maemo something for me? | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | sjk: ah, fair enough then | 23:45 |
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| crashanddie | sjk: well, you can run C code on Android as well | 23:46 |
| alterego | sjk: we're posix and we're pretty much any language you want. | 23:46 |
| sjk | crashanddie, yes, but they're telling me it's going to make things complicated, and that I need to wrap it in java | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | sjk: it really depends what you expect from a phone. The n900 is starting to be pretty dated, and the future with regards to MeeGo is still quite uncertain | 23:46 |
| Jaco2k | *cough* QT *cough* | 23:46 |
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| crashanddie | sjk: on Maemo, you'll get a lot of people shoving Qt down your throat (C++), or PyQt (python + qt). It's annoying, but you get used to it | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | sjk: see above for example | 23:47 |
| ShadowJK | right now right here, maemo is the awesomest linux-like phone there is | 23:47 |
| style | why the hell does n900 new update require use of nokia pc suite? | 23:47 |
| crashanddie | style: it doesn't, you use SSU if you didn't use up too much space | 23:47 |
| rokr1_ | once upon a time Motorola E6 | 23:47 |
| zap | style: read my whines above :) | 23:47 |
| style | zap: just joined :F | 23:48 |
| sjk | crashanddie, hmm, but they write about GTK on maemo.org - I was hoping I could use that for my apps | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | or if you've got something that conflicts with the update installed it might want you to flash instead | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | sjk: GTK is pretty deprecated at this point | 23:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | down your ... cut throat... | 23:48 |
| CutMeOwnThroat | grmp | 23:48 |
| sjk | Or would that be like writing GTK apps (needing an X11 server) on Mac OS X instead of writing native OSX apps? | 23:48 |
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| style | crashanddie: hmm meaning whaaat :D | 23:48 |
| sjk | Ah | 23:48 |
| zap | style: the answer in short is: just reflash your N900 with 'flasher' | 23:48 |
| mavhc | does the n900 come with a case/cover like the n810 did? | 23:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooooooo 50%!!! | 23:48 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: gtk is native on maemo5 | 23:48 |
| crashanddie | mavhc: nope | 23:48 |
| javispedro | sjk: on Maemo, Gtk+ apps _are_ the native ones. But whatever comes next will use Qt. | 23:48 |
| style | zap: aaand the reason why that is necessary is? | 23:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | 1 hour to update 26% meh meh meh | 23:49 |
| zap | style: because Nokia has you | 23:49 |
| guille_ | ShadowJK: thanks | 23:49 |
| rokr1_ | to reduce cost Nokia is including a cheap headset | 23:49 |
| style | zap: nice | 23:49 |
| sjk | javispedro, oh | 23:49 |
| rokr1_ | i think | 23:49 |
| zap | yep, you thought this is a solit linux distro? wrong | 23:49 |
| crashanddie | zap: I'm about to ban you if you don't stop trolling | 23:49 |
| zap | k, k | 23:49 |
| rokr1_ | these are my words of frustration | 23:49 |
| sjk | zap, was that for me? | 23:50 |
| zap | no, for crashanddie | 23:50 |
| rokr1_ | lol | 23:50 |
| Jaco2k | giving a shot to NSU ;) | 23:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol Jaco2k | 23:50 |
| Jaco2k | will let you know in some mins how it went | 23:50 |
| zap | he thinks I'm trolling while I'm just being quite upset with such "new technologies" | 23:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | hope it is quicker than my wifi install :| | 23:50 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: no it's for the random people complaining they can't update after they either filled up all their free space or installed random shit they found on interwebs | 23:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | i personally blame frals ..... he's trouted the update | 23:51 |
| Jaco2k | download was really fast | 23:51 |
| Jaco2k | and it is updating now | 23:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | always blame frals | 23:51 |
| rokr1_ | i appreciate the jaco2k' s concern for his N900 | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | zap: you're just not being productive, I can understand frustration, but it really serves no helpful purpose on a night like this. | 23:51 |
| Jaco2k | rokr1_: I couldn't care less, to be honest :D | 23:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | 20:54 * Noobmonk3y is up to the 'a' in 'Updating' about 25%?! - it is now 21:51! | 23:51 |
| sjk | All right. | 23:51 |
| Jaco2k | my main phone is, shock and horror, a Galaxy S ;) | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, if I were you | 23:52 |
| sjk | So if I wanted a Maemo phone, should I go with a Nokia 900? | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | I'd power off the device | 23:52 |
| sjk | Err, N900 that is | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | sjk: if I were you, I'd wait to see what happens with regards to MeeGo | 23:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: thank god you aint me ;) | 23:52 |
| lcuk | sjk, yes, you should | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | MeeGo is kinda fail, at least imo :P | 23:52 |
| lcuk | there is only 1 maemo phone | 23:52 |
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| sjk | crashanddie, is that a new operating system in the making? | 23:52 |
| Noobmonk3y | now that be true :P | 23:52 |
| ieatlint | and there will be no more maemo phones... just the n900 | 23:52 |
| sjk | lcuk, aha | 23:52 |
| Jaco2k | but if you wait for Meego, I guess you will be waiting quite a few months still | 23:52 |
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| ShadowJK | sjk: there is no other Maemo phone, and there wont be another Maemo phone | 23:52 |
| sjk | ieatlint, really? | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, well | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | sjk: what lcuk said, if you want Maemo, there is only the N900. | 23:52 |
| pyther | If you want maemo you go with en900 if you don't want maemo you don't go with the n900 | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, if you shutdown your device, HAM will rescue it | 23:52 |
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| Jaco2k | ...although, you can develop for Meego on the N900 (in theory) | 23:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | crashanddie: not ture, but if you want a maemo phone it is :p | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | will probably update faster | 23:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: dont want to risk it :P | 23:53 |
| sjk | I see. Would the N900 run MeeGo as well? | 23:53 |
| rokr1_ | may be eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 has new songs | 23:53 |
| rokr1_ | ?? | 23:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | sjk - possibly :P | 23:53 |
| ShadowJK | sort of. | 23:53 |
| rokr1_ | and apps ??: | 23:53 |
| Jaco2k | a developer edition of Meego, yes | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | Noobmonk3y: that's currently being sold? | 23:53 |
| chx | sjk: possibly, depends on community , official wont happen | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | Noobmonk3y: is the n810 still being produced? | 23:53 |
| sjk | chx, aha. | 23:53 |
| ieatlint | after hearing a nokia employee describe meego 1.1 as not being ready for mainstream, but 1.2 "will be"... it's very conceivable that they could try and push back any meego phone to at least closer to the 1.2 release, which is expected around april | 23:54 |
| crashanddie | chx: do we know that for sure? | 23:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol but you can still get em from ebay :P | 23:54 |
| sjk | Does the N900 ship with Maemo? Or does one have to reflash or something? | 23:54 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: the true story is that whatever device comes after N900 wont have vanilla MeeGo. It's a MeeGo with added Nokia sprinkle. Vanilla MeeGo runs on N900 even today, though it's not that exactly as useful as Maemo5 :) | 23:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | sjk, ships with maemo | 23:54 |
| pyther | grr... I think the sdk installer hang on me :( | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | and a charger, imagine that | 23:54 |
| Jaco2k | lol | 23:54 |
| style | does the nokia n900 backup backup all neccessary data? | 23:55 |
| pyther | it says unpacking but I have no I/O or BW activity | 23:55 |
| andre___ | no kitchen sink though :-( | 23:55 |
| Jaco2k | it failed! :) | 23:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | you might have to update though, as any ones being sold now will be with older firmware | 23:55 |
| hawaii_ | wtf is going on in here. | 23:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | style, almost all | 23:55 |
| Jaco2k | device booted though, so let's see | 23:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | save any debs you may need :P | 23:55 |
| rokr1_ | no bad words hawaii | 23:55 |
| style | and does flasher delete files from other partitions? | 23:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | Jaco2k: all done? | 23:55 |
| rokr1_ | or u will be BANNED | 23:55 |
| style | or only from root partition | 23:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | wtf - mine is a few hours n still going! | 23:55 |
| sjk | From what I can hear, the N900 sounds pretty good! It sounds more "open" than the iPhone. Is that right? | 23:55 |
| Jaco2k | it failed :) | 23:55 |
| ShadowJK | the emmc image deletes all data | 23:55 |
| Jaco2k | but the phone booted | 23:55 |
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| hawaii_ | Shut up, rokr1_ | 23:55 |
| Jaco2k | so let's see | 23:55 |
| sjk | I mean, I would have to crack the iPhone in order to get to shell, etc | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, nothing, we're all just happy PR1.3 was released | 23:55 |
| * MohammadAG punches a hole in the wall | 23:55 | |
| MohammadAG | see? happy | 23:56 |
| hawaii_ | It's too weird. Stop it, MohammadAG. | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | I can make it all stop | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | you'll have to send me a command though | 23:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | sjk, tis a great phone to play around with, no where near as polished as android or the iphone, but still great fun and pretty cool | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | it's called /quit :P | 23:56 |
| hawaii_ | No hablo englais. | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | sjk: X-terminal is installed by default. Then you go to App Manager, tap menu, tap Application Catalogues, enable maemo.org, install "rootsh" package, open x-terminal, type "root". | 23:56 |
| style | Does the flasher delete files from storage partition? | 23:56 |
| ieatlint | hawaii_: ingles | 23:56 |
| ShadowJK | actually maemo.org repo might be enabled by default in latest firmware | 23:57 |
| hawaii_ | That too, ieatlint. | 23:57 |
| ieatlint | and i'd say maemo 5 is on par with the original release of android... except that actually had decent maps | 23:57 |
| javispedro | no, it hand't. | 23:57 |
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| ShadowJK | in which case you'll find rootsh package in app manager right away | 23:57 |
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| GAN900 | ieatlint, Android makes me crazy. | 23:57 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: you couldn't download them for later offline usage. | 23:57 |
| Jaco2k | kept my contacts and data, apparently | 23:58 |
| * javispedro is at this moment using the nokia map loader... | 23:58 | |
| ieatlint | javispedro: there was half-assed 3rd party osm maps that let you | 23:58 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: impossible, you are already completely nuts | 23:58 |
| hawaii_ | Uh. | 23:58 |
| ShadowJK | style: emmc image deletes everything | 23:58 |
| rokr1_ | Hawai français hablamos, no nos u. .. mente | 23:58 |
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| javispedro | ieatlint: "third-party"? then maemo wins!! | 23:58 |
| Jaco2k | k, it flashed | 23:58 |
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| Jaco2k | now to restore the backup so I can have all my stuff back... | 23:58 |
| sjk | Noobmonk3y, ah. In what ways? | 23:58 |
| ieatlint | but i don't care as much about cacheable maps as i do maps that just work | 23:58 |
| sjk | ShadowJK, interesting! | 23:58 |
| njsf1 | I just want audio turn by turn | 23:59 |
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| rokr1_ | hablamos Hawaii_ Inglés, no nos cuenta que | 23:59 |
| Jaco2k | then buy Sygic ;) | 23:59 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: so, when you're, say, on some country were, you know, actually NEED maps, you find out that you cannot use them at all because your provide chargues you a bazillion dollars per byte | 23:59 |
| javispedro | so, they do not work. | 23:59 |
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| hawaii_ | Or you drive out of cell coverage? | 23:59 |
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