IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-10-24

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internetishardhey, is easy debian how i get traceroute and all of those other useful terminal apps?00:38
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`0660it should be00:41
internetishardokay, cause nmap is native on maemo, but most of the apps someone who uses nmap would use don't show up in the repos - so I'm assuming people are using them via easy debian00:42
ieatlintuh, no, you shouldn't need to install debian to get basic tools00:42
internetishardwhere is traceroute then?00:43
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ieatlintit's generally not its own package00:43
internetishardwhat is it?00:44
ieatlintbut you're talking about installing an entire chroot to get access to a basic utility... that's excessive00:44
ieatlinti don't know off-hand00:44
ieatlintbut 5s on google tells me you want the package iputils-tracepath (use tracepath instead of traceroute)00:45
internetishardwhy do I have to be root to use ping?00:45
ieatlintbecause you touch yourself00:46
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internetishardI shouldve expected that00:46
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ieatlinti believe sending icmp packets is restricted to root on maemo, which isn't a bad policy00:47
internetishardokay, I guess I should expect maemo-specific priv behavior00:47
SpeedEvilIt's busybox.00:48
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SpeedEvilExpecting gnu-like behaviour from busybox utils will lead to trouble.00:48
ieatlintcareful, that's getting awfully close to complementing gnu00:49
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SpeedEvilgnu utilities are perhaps not optimal.00:50
SpeedEvilBut they are generally - for good or bad - a standard of sorts over much of linux space.00:50
SpeedEvilBusybox hasa number of surprises.00:50
ieatlintyeah, well, they beat solaris.. i'll give them that00:51
SpeedEvilIt is not again inherently bad - but it is surprising if you are expecting gnuisms.00:51
SpeedEvilFor example - find having almost no options is surprising.00:51
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internetishardi get send failed resume pmtu 65535 when trying to use tracepath00:52
internetishardyeah, I've never used tracepath before, just traceroute00:53
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internetishardoh wtf!00:57
internetishardnmap HAS traceroute (nmap --traceroute host)!00:58
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vdvhow can i solve "two battery icons" problem, which is appear with "advanced power" app00:59
vdvanybody here using advanced power? :)01:00
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* oshin causes 2000 copies of stellariumobile pirated :P01:04
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javispedrooshin: you counted them? :)01:07
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oshinjavispedro, just pipe the log through wc :)01:15
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MohammadAGoshin, isn't it GPL...01:18
oshinMohammadAG, it is GPL as the about stated.01:19
oshinMohammadAG, just the impressions from the tmo made it feel like I want to tag it with piracy word :)01:19
oshinbut I doubt that their developer didn't know about this, since he probably made that GPL in the about box themselves.01:20
MohammadAGtmo people don't know shit01:20
MohammadAGi just dropped my N90001:20
MohammadAGit crossed out the sim01:20
* MohammadAG oh shit-s01:20
javispedrohah, that's what you get for messing with tmo.01:21
* MohammadAG does a semi battery hotswap and replaces sim in under 30 secs01:21
javispedronot going to test if it's still working? :)01:22
MohammadAGyeah, but I don't want to reboot01:23
MohammadAGtook out the battery, then removed the sim and put it in again01:23
MohammadAGput battery back in, started bme01:23
MohammadAGno reboot, sim works01:23
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MohammadAGthus proving the sim can be replaced at runtime on maemo 5 :P01:23
* MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer 01:24
MohammadAGI wonder01:24
secyritaswait.. killing bme allows hotswap battery?01:24
MohammadAGjust a sec01:24
MohammadAGyou'll need a power source (damn enter key)01:24
MohammadAGplug in wall charger01:25
MohammadAGremove battery cover01:25
MohammadAGstop bme, remove battery01:25
MohammadAGyou have 30 secs etc01:25
MohammadAGdo whatever you want01:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: pah, re-inserting same sim doesn't mean a thing01:25
secyritasdidnt know that :-)01:25
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I have a small script actually01:25
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you powered down cellmo? or are you suggesting sim can be chabged without cellmo reboot?01:26
MohammadAGI just removed the sim module01:26
MohammadAGmodprobe -r ssi_mcsaab_imp01:27
MohammadAGthe sim will get crossed out01:27
MohammadAGmodprobe it, it will get detected01:27
DocScrutinizerhah. What makes you think cellmo internal datastructures were properly initialized to new sim ?01:27
MohammadAGsometimes my N900 loses the sim for some reason, and crosses it out on its own01:27
MohammadAGnothing really01:27
MohammadAGbut DocScrutinizer01:28
javispedrofor example , does reinserting module cause it to reprompt pin?01:28
MohammadAGI've experimented with your hotswap01:28
MohammadAGjavispedro, sec01:28
MohammadAGI don't have to power off display/wlan/3G etc01:28
MohammadAGI replaced my battery while on 3.5G01:28
MohammadAGjavispedro, no01:29
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, is there a way to detect if a battery is in or not when bme is not running?01:30
DocScrutinizererr sure, read out twl4030-ADC1(?)01:30
DocScrutinizerdon't ask me how :-P01:31
* MohammadAG asks ShadowJK :P01:31
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ADC401:39
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: maybe you want to probe for VBAT from bq27200 ?01:49
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DocScrutinizerthe big advantage of this: we know how to do it :-P01:50
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe you better probe for IBAT - regarding what you probably want to do01:51
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: also notice there's a direct wire from battery BSI to rapuyama, so cellmo will notice removed battery anyway01:53
DocScrutinizernfc what it actually does with this info, but aiui it's supposed to *immediately* shut down, so main system might gain a few more ms to power down 'gracefully' from buffer capacitors01:55
DocScrutinizeror it uses this to rescue itself (and SIM) by a emergency shutdown. Probably SIM and rapuyama internal flash also aren't exactly amused to see VDD brownout during a write operation01:57
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DocScrutinizer(guess why the BSI contact blade is a few MIL shorter than the actual power contacts)01:59
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DocScrutinizerby EE that's called a make-last_break-first contact02:00
DocScrutinizerand the big tragedy is EE never bother to write down all these little details for the SW guys, and the SW guys never realize they might ask as usually they think they know everything. And I'm sitting in the middle and and wonder who's prudent enough to see a job for me on this particular topic02:03
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I was thinking of making a hotswap app for you02:08
DocScrutinizerthe result of any missing intermediary like me are abominations like e.g. bme02:08
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: LIES! it's for you, I *know* you :-P02:09
DocScrutinizerand you're the only one swapping a new bat in, 3 times a day02:10
DocScrutinizerthe only one I know02:10
MohammadAGsometimes 5, I charge batteries externally02:10
MohammadAGone goes empty, put in new one, charge old one02:11
javispedroplain evil.02:11
nox-o_O  so you prefer rebooting on dead battery to keeping the thing on charger overnight?02:12
DocScrutinizernox-: nobody's rebooting, that's the point02:13
nox-take battery out w/o rebooting?02:13
DocScrutinizer[2010-10-24 01:08:22] <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I was thinking of making a hotswap app for you02:13
nox-oh hah02:13
DocScrutinizer[2010-10-24 00:24:56] <MohammadAG>
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so02:14
MohammadAGI can get charger status (i.e is one connected?)02:15
MohammadAGthen stop bme02:15
MohammadAGask user to change battery02:15
MohammadAGdetect battery out/battery in02:15
MohammadAGstart bme02:15
MohammadAGlock and unlock screen02:15
MohammadAGclose app02:15
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intelinsiderhey DocScrutinizer :)02:15
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javispedroI guess original Doc's instructions guaranteed that bme was pinged when you plugged in charger, thus starting 30s watchdog _then_?02:16
alteregoMohammadAG: I'm going to sleep now, there should be some example transparent tool buttons in that source blobl I gave you the otherday :)02:16
DocScrutinizerI-BAT (aka current-now) from bq2720002:17
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MohammadAGalterego, I'll figure it out, thanks :)02:17
intelinsiderwhere i can edit that the conversation mail client the sendet mails moved into my 'sent' folder from my mailserver?02:17
MohammadAGso.. how do I read bq27200?02:17
alteregonp, fullscreen and menubutton classes, sage example is maemo5mainwindow02:17
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, /sys // /proc?02:18
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: noob! we're doing it since ages, see wiki for example02:18
alteregog'night folks02:18
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MohammadAGnight alterego02:18
MohammadAGand ty02:19
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, i2cget isn't really helpful, I need signals :P02:19
DocScrutinizerheh, SpeedEvil been faster than my bookamrk searching :-D02:19
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SpeedEvilAwesomebar is awesome.02:20
SpeedEvilThough it has its issues if I react too fast.02:20
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javispedropeople believe the artifact where you "quickly" scroll hildon-desktop is an actual "feature"?02:22
javispedro*quickly scroll using two fingers, that is.02:22
* DocScrutinizer throws a Norten and a "-"at SpeedEvil02:22
DocScrutinizerdamn, kornbluth.freenodenet is lagging02:22
MohammadAGor I would be probing the value02:22
MohammadAGnice lag02:22
javispedroI think the network's falling down, I get nearly 20s lag according to X-Chat lol02:22
DocScrutinizerfriggin shit02:22
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MohammadAGback to normal it seems02:23
DocScrutinizersame here, plus dropouts02:23
DocScrutinizersorry, had a few misses during last 3 minutes02:23
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: you read out current_now as in SpeedEvil 's script and check if current is != 0, this means battery is inserted. poll frequencies shorter 5s are useless02:24
DocScrutinizerdiscard first non-zero sample after removing battery02:25
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intelinsiderokay... i can move the messages from the local sent folder to the server folder02:31
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psycho_oreosany of you guys tried making a chrooted environment inside a scratchbox or some other way apart from using n900 directly?02:50
javispedroto do what?02:51
psycho_oreosto do for example setup debian, ubuntu, etc02:51
javispedroI once setup a gentoo target02:51
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psycho_oreosinside scratchbox?02:52
javispedrothe hard part is to ensure to keep everything compatible with the devkit02:52
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, never worked for me inside scratchbox02:52
javispedroas everything will need to run with the glibc from sbox02:52
javispedrowhich is quite old02:52
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, you should be able to do it outside scratchbox with qemu02:52
* MohammadAG pokes Stskeeps 02:52
MohammadAGjavispedro, it's not that, chroot fails with fakeroot, sudo doesn't work02:53
MohammadAGdo you see a pattern :P02:53
javispedroMohammadAG: who needs chroot when you can set up an alternate target02:53
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah that's that I thought, I've tried hacking sbox login but have failed02:53
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javispedroMohammadAG: scratchbox itself is a oversized chroot() call02:53
MohammadAGjavispedro, tried that, borked my scratchbox02:53
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, hmm qemu, in other words MADDE type? :)02:53
MohammadAGqemu on its own should be enough02:54
javispedroMohammadAG: setting another target borked your scratchbox? what did you create it with, a hammer? :)02:54
MohammadAGjavispedro, a dremel, does it matter?02:54
javispedroafter that it would really be a scratchedbox =) < /bad joke>02:56
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DocScrutinizeryodawg, heard you like chroots, so we put a chroot in your chroot in your chroot02:59
DocScrutinizerand we wrapped all that into a vm to make you really happy03:00
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NightShift79Could one of you plz tell me what hildon-desktop, hildon-home and  modest versions/mods you use on your N900 with PR1.2. and where I can find the actual files to download.03:00
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SpeedEvili uninstalled modest03:02
KotCzarnycan i reset dsp from cmdline?03:02
KotCzarnyother than reboot?03:02
KotCzarnyon n800 to be exact03:03
DocScrutinizerapt-cache search might help, NightShift7903:03
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DocScrutinizerot for modest though, possibly03:04
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intelinsider'modest' is the mail client?03:05
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NightShift79so is MohammadAG's hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb the one to go with untill PR1.3?03:06
hawaii_That depends on what you want.03:07
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intelinsideri search a solution to save transmitted messages directly on the server...03:07
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: :-o03:07
hawaii_Hey, whatever happened to my 3-task patch? :P03:07
MohammadAGhawaii_, was too busy on psfreedom03:08
MohammadAGand its 2AM in the morning03:08
hawaii_This is me not caring.03:08
hawaii_j/k mate.03:08
DocScrutinizerwhat happend to the hostmode kernel?03:08
MohammadAGtoo tired really :P03:08
NightShift79Im just looking for you Gurus that found time to fix some of the bugs in hildon03:08
MohammadAGcan't even watch south park properly03:08
MohammadAGwe didn't really fix them03:09
MohammadAGwe only backported them03:09
NightShift79I see..03:09
DocScrutinizerheh? backported??03:09
MohammadAGPR1.3 has a fix  for mce it seems03:09
MohammadAGfix for*03:09
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DocScrutinizer1707.h madness has no backportable fix03:09
MohammadAGthe portrait flag works properly now, placing the phone flat does not return the app into landscape mode03:10
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MohammadAGwhich fixes Facebrick, PSFreedom, my modest and settings patch03:10
MohammadAGinstrinctiv, and whatever uses the flag with stacked windows03:10
DocScrutinizergiven the fact lis302dl driver is somewhat borked, that'S a great news actually03:10
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, so the driver might've been fixed?03:11
* DocScrutinizer cackles03:11
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DocScrutinizerinstrintivly I'd say "maybe, maybe not"03:11
MohammadAGanyways, it behaves, unlike in PR1.203:12
NightShift79hmm.. where can I find the download of your newest hildon-home, hildon-desktop, modest, pulseaudio files ?03:12
MohammadAGI always thought it was a coding problem, since microB's rotation just works03:12
MohammadAGmy pulseaudio package needs kernel-power, it reduces but doesn't prevent stuttering03:12
MohammadAGthe PR1.3 pulseaudio reduces stuttering a lot (but I've encountered it twice under very very heavy load)03:13
MohammadAGfor the rest, #maemo-ssu03:13
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hawaii_I'm working on a solution for that "hardware call buttons" thread right now.03:14
DocScrutinizerhw call what?03:14
MohammadAGhawaii_, which is?03:14
NightShift79Ah. okay. thanks so far. I just wanna test your stuff out. but don't know where to download... I'll check #maemo-ssu03:14
DocScrutinizerfix for thread: delete it03:14
hawaii_You posted in the thread recently, MohammadAG03:15
hawaii_with a split screen window overlay solution.03:15
MohammadAGhawaii_, I know :)03:15
MohammadAGhawaii_, yes yes, what's your solution?03:15
hawaii_volume keys.03:16
DocScrutinizerdudes, I think I don't wanna know what you're after03:16
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, someone's complaining the answer/reject keys are two small03:16
hawaii_using hardware keys for answer/hangup03:16
MohammadAGI suggested a whole window only for answer/reject03:17
korhojoaaccelerometer to answer03:17
KotCzarnyaren't them just FX keys?03:17
DocScrutinizerwell, you got my suggestion for this since months03:17
MohammadAGhawaii_, wants to use the volume keys03:17
korhojoashake to answer03:17
MohammadAGkorhojoa, never works in real practice03:17
KotCzarnyjust listen for keys from x events03:17
MohammadAGaccelerometers don't work for this stuff03:17
korhojoawell. at least i tried03:17
hawaii_volume keys is the best option. I am sh-scripting it right now.03:18
KotCzarnywrite accelerometer daemon that will be spawned, listens for shakes, then generates proper keys03:18
MohammadAGhawaii_, C, please!03:18
KotCzarnysend me n900 then i'll write a patch03:18
DocScrutinizerohyeah! nice while jogging03:18
hawaii_F C.03:18
ieatlintwindmills do not work that way03:18
MohammadAGhawaii_, F U :P03:18
MohammadAGaccelerometers fail for stuff like this03:19
DocScrutinizerthe concept sucks03:19
MohammadAGa lot03:19
DocScrutinizerlis302 is just fine with that03:19
KotCzarnywrite a feature, make it configurable03:19
KotCzarnyproblem solved03:19
DocScrutinizerwhich problem???03:19
DocScrutinizerthe problem of jogging?03:19
KotCzarnywe are on open platform (kind of)03:19
SpeedEvilThe accel has a hardware mechanism to detect taps.03:20
SpeedEvilThis is not implementedinthekernel driver03:20
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DocScrutinizerbtw we got just one accelerometer, though 3-axis03:20
ieatlintwell, you could do some simple gestures with the accelerometer that would be unlikely to suffer false triggers03:21
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: even double-taps03:21
ieatlintsuch as inverting an axis for just half a second03:21
DocScrutinizerand the feature is *easily* to integrate int lis302 driver03:21
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KotCzarnyanyone knows how to reset dsp?03:22
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DocScrutinizernot even Nokia it seems03:22
ieatlintbut trying to write anything in an sh-script is more of a joke than reality :P03:22
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DocScrutinizerieatlint: eh?03:23
ieatlintjust strikes me to write a daemon to monitor accelerometer data in an sh script is a joke03:24
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KotCzarnythen write it in c03:24
KotCzarnyand generat x events03:24
KotCzarnyor dbus events03:24
ieatlinti've no interest in it03:24
KotCzarnyor anything03:24
DocScrutinizerthat's actually BS, as g-meter has *hardware* to do this. Monitoring is really *BAD*, eats lots of cpu cycles and battery, and is slow03:25
hawaii_It's not a daemon.03:25
KotCzarnyif hardware supports it, use it03:25
hawaii_I don't want to use the accelerometer.03:25
KotCzarnymine doesn't03:25
hawaii_That's automation that I don't want.03:26
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* KotCzarny wrote a visualizer03:26
DocScrutinizeras mentioned before, lis302dl driver doesn't support all the nice features of g-meter chip, but it's *simple* to fix that03:27
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ieatlinti want to create a new social networking service and call it misanthropy03:36
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lolloois it easy?03:39
DocScrutinizerhonestly, a proper g-meter based orientation sensor framework needs a central instance servicing process, that propagates state changes aka events e.g via dbus, much like e.g. liblocation does (though not via dbus, regrettably). It seems mce has control over lis302, but how do you ask mce about orientation events?03:40
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javispedroit works the way you're describing it.03:41
javispedrowatch the system bus :)03:41
DocScrutinizereeew, watch means you can't specify which class of events you're interested in03:41
javispedrono, not really03:42
javispedro_watch is actually the ubercomplex sniffer method where you can add all-crazy filters that nobody uses save for debugging/monitoring03:42
DocScrutinizeri.e. you can't tell mce wich moves and shocks to ignore and save power, and which to report03:42
javispedrooh, that's true.03:42
javispedrobut that's a quite high level of filtering.03:43
javispedroyou can subscribe for orientation change events, or you can subscribe for full accelerometer data at whatever freq it is these days03:43
DocScrutinizerhmm, which means "devels were too bored or too lacy to come up with a proper concept and API spec"03:44
javispedrofor some reason these days I know the freq the Pre polls the accel but not the freq the N900 polls the accel =)03:44
javispedro4Hz, with a flag goes up to 30Hz.03:44
DocScrutinizerhehe, because lis302 isn't supposed to be polled. It's IRQ driven, that's the whole trick of it03:45
javispedroDocScrutinizer: If you try to spec this it quickly gets the size of the wiimote gesture detection middleware03:45
DocScrutinizeryou set threshold and filter parameters and get an IRQ when those are tripped03:45
DocScrutinizerand that's exactly what I'd expect from a mce bbus resource query method as well03:46
javispedrowell, I do agree in that if the hardware has some kind of gesture detection feature it should be exposed  at least03:47
DocScrutinizerthen mce just does a logical AND of all those parameters, and filters out the mire sensible ones to not signal them to the clients that called for coarse ones03:47
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DocScrutinizerbut lis302dl kernel driver as is now not even makes use of differential mode, means it detects *absolute* position changes, and it does it in a relatively silly way03:48
* javispedro notes his beloved thread about palm pre games is going to convert into yet another thread about flash03:49
infobotrumour has it, tmo is, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo03:49
* javispedro will fire his ICBMs to the next poster who talks about flash on that thread03:50
quanttromI am trying to create a new custom welcome video and for some reason I can never get the image to work. Sounds works fine but the screen stays black. Any idea how I should be encoding the videos?03:50
javispedroquanttrom: the builtin media player should be able to play it03:50
* DocScrutinizer hands over the remote for the MTHELs to javispedro03:50
quanttromjavispedro: kk I will check if it can03:50
DocScrutinizerfrom : >>/etc/X11/Xsession.d/10hildon_welcome = shaking-hands-video<<03:52
javispedroI used the source code of that application to try and understand gstreamer yesterday03:53
javispedroquite a powerful tool03:53
quanttromjavispedro: works like a charm in the built in media player ..03:53
javispedroquanttrom: then, no idea. check if size is 800x480, etc.03:53
DocScrutinizertzz, /usr/bin/maemo-invoker03:54
javispedrono, not that one03:54
javispedrohildon-welcome iirc03:54
javispedromaemo-invoker is just some maemo-launcher specific workaround03:54
DocScrutinizerNokia-N900-02-8:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# file /usr/bin/hildon-welcome03:54
DocScrutinizer/usr/bin/hildon-welcome: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/maemo-invoker'03:54
javispedroDocScrutinizer: actual binary is in hildon-welcome.launch03:55
quanttromjavispedro: VIDEO:  [XVID]  800x480  12bpp  29.970 fps  718.6 kbps (87.7 kbyte/s)03:55
quanttromlooks like it03:55
DocScrutinizerWTF is maemo-invoker doing?03:55
javispedroDocScrutinizer: maemo-inovker/launcher is evil, I know. but someone here told me "the speedup is worth it"03:55
DocScrutinizerooh, lol03:55
DocScrutinizerfork wizardry03:56
DocScrutinizerand preloaded .so03:56
DocScrutinizerouch that hurts03:56
javispedroand the reason all stock applications inherit the environment of the maemo-launcher daemon instead of that of the current shell03:56
DocScrutinizerso is actually a maemo-invoker killer? XP03:57
DocScrutinizernah, not exactly03:58
* DocScrutinizer feels sick03:58
javispedroit gets proper env vars for non-launcher applications specially on sdk03:58
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* DocScrutinizer wonders how much speedup we could get from reducing swapping by freeing ram from all those speedup abominations04:01
* DocScrutinizer waves at nox-04:03
nox-bye DocScrutinizer04:03
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I bet hildon-welcome has a pretty couple of ugly hacks04:09
DocScrutinizer#1: it doesn't playback the video when called from a rootshell04:10
DocScrutinizerpossibly doesn't coexist with matchbox04:10
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, it was in water long enough to cause discolouration to the screws04:12
DocScrutinizereeeer WHAT?04:13
TermanaWell, I thought I'd take the back screws out04:13
DocScrutinizeryou got screws that are painted by water colors?04:13
TermanaThey are partially green04:13
TermanaNo, I mean. No.04:13
TermanaIsn't water suppose to turn the metal a different colour before it rusts?04:14
DocScrutinizerthose screws are all black finish, some kinda chemical treatment. They shouldn't change color in water04:15
DocScrutinizerI seem to remember some green or blue loctite on the threads though04:16
DocScrutinizerpartially green - if it's not loctite - means severe electrolytic corrosion04:17
DocScrutinizeror it wasn't water but maybe battery acid :-P04:18
DocScrutinizerin which case you should have rinsed it with clear clean water (preferably demineralized) some days ago, not now04:19
TermanaSliders making a strange noise as well04:20
DocScrutinizerthis definitely wasn't clear water04:20
TermanaWell I mean04:21
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TermanaDon't kill me04:21
TermanaI had it in rice, so I think it's just rice caught in there04:21
DocScrutinizeryou'll do that youraself it seems :-P04:21
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DocScrutinizerrice, what a nonsense04:21
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DocScrutinizerare you rubbing your burns with oil?04:23
DocScrutinizerand read future from tealeafs?04:23
TermanaWell, I know you said it doesn't work04:23
TermanaBut desperation does this to a man04:23
DocScrutinizerI suggest you try a sledgehammer04:24
DocScrutinizer*might* work04:24
DocScrutinizeror sacrifice a virgin04:24
ieatlintthat works actually04:24
javispedrobut, will the rice and the n900 blend?04:25
TermanaDocScrutinizer, at least I haven't chucked it in the oven04:25
TermanaBut I suppose you're going to tell me that's a great idea04:25
DocScrutinizeroven @ 60° C is just fine04:25
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javispedromicrowave it! =)04:25
DocScrutinizerdo that!04:26
TermanaOk brb04:26
DocScrutinizertake a video of it04:26
javispedrograb your camera first thought!04:26
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ieatlintbut is the water gone?04:26
javispedroTermana: that's because you DID NOT GET THE CAMERA!!!04:26
DocScrutinizerplus you got a nice video now, don't you?04:27
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, before I didn't have video on my n900 because the water stopped it all working. Now I have video on my n900... being fried in a microwave.04:27
TermanaCan't I sue you guys for not saying that you disclaim all liability?04:28
TermanaI can get over 9000 n900s!04:28
DocScrutinizerTermana: see, the gap between a chip and PCB is0.00xx mm. if there's some water in there, it takes ages to evaporate, and it will not give a flying F if there's some rice outside the case or next room or where else04:28
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pupnik_lol DocScrutinizer04:29
TermanaDocScrutinizer, so why does everyone recommend rice?04:30
pupnik_a vacuum with mild heat over the course of a month perhaps :)04:30
DocScrutinizerbecause everone's always been an idiot04:30
DocScrutinizerI know him for long, so I can tell04:30
pupnik_a lot of areas in these devices have wicking-action to water, pulling it into crevices, afaik04:31
TermanaSo how can I speed up the evaporation?04:31
DocScrutinizeryep, exactly my point pupnik_04:31
DocScrutinizerheat to 60° C04:32
TermanaSo how long do I bake it for Chef DocScrutinizer?04:32
DocScrutinizerthis will both speed up the evaporation of water and reduce realtive humidity of the air04:32
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DocScrutinizer2 weeks as I told ya before04:32
javispedroTWO WEEKS04:33
DocScrutinizerto be sure yes04:33
ieatlinttwice the heat, half the time04:33
javispedrothis is quite interesting cuisine04:33
ieatlintworks for cooking04:33
TermanaIs it just me that isn't feeling good about this?04:33
DocScrutinizerno, place it on your heating, monitor, TV or whatever04:33
TermanaEven my emoticons aren't feeling good04:33
javispedroTermana: clearly we don't understand fine cuisine04:33
Termanajavispedro, Shall I ask if I need to shove some stuffing up it's arse?04:34
DocScrutinizerTermana: chinese eggs take much longer, ans see you don't need to eat your N900 :-P04:34
javispedroN900 + fines herbes04:34
ieatlintTermana: aside from the time, the fact that metal elements in the oven could exceed the 60c or similar would worry me :P04:35
javispedrothat's it04:35
javispedroI have a nice idea to make myself a million bucks04:35
javispedrostart a "Will it bake?" youtube channel04:35
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DocScrutinizerieatlint: I actually didn't suggest oven04:35
ieatlintbah, you're too nice then04:36
TermanaDocScrutinizer, TV/monitor, like the CRT types?04:36
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DocScrutinizeryou got an electric pad?04:36
TermanaI had an old laptop that zapped you when you had it plugged in04:37
TermanaDoes that count as an electric pad?04:37
ieatlintdude, that guy needs to degrease that pan04:37
javispedrohey, I also had a laptop with that problem04:37
DocScrutinizeractually a PC at ventilator outlet counts as a nice gentle heat source04:37
* javispedro goes see if oven is big enough04:37
pupnik_i kind of wish they could seal these electronics in goop before assembly04:38
pupnik_paint, whatever..04:38
* DocScrutinizer grumbles04:38
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DocScrutinizerwell, from an engineering pov it's nice. From a RE pov it's W*T*F?!?!04:39
DocScrutinizerwe still wouldn't know about bq2415004:39
TermanaDesireAnything important said after the PC ventilation?04:40
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TermanaDesireKnocked my 3g stick and got disconnected :p04:41
DocScrutinizerI wish they just would build better cases that aren't virually open04:41
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DocScrutinizerthe upper half of kbd part - the one that is always covered by the screen, is completely open to the chips and PCB04:43
DocScrutinizerI actually wonder how long it'll take until case is completely filled with dust, lint and all kinds of debris04:44
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DocScrutinizerand quite obviously water intrudes easily there04:45
DocScrutinizerif you hold the device right, you can collect rain on kbd and it will sore up in case04:46
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javispedrojust get enough debris into the case until the debris makes it completely water-proof04:47
DocScrutinizergood point04:47
* javispedro is tempted to post "there's no salvation! abandon ship!!" in one of these "meego will be a tragedy" threads04:49
DocScrutinizerwill be??04:49
yohomerdon't worry; OS/2 still lives.04:50
DocScrutinizeroscar-half :-D \o/04:51
cehtehhaha anyone ported amiga-os to the n900 yet?. .. not the emulators i mean :)04:51
jacekowskicehteh: impossible04:51
ieatlinti think it's funny that the first meego device was a tablet, and there isn't even announced plans to have a tablet ux for meego04:51
cehtehmhm wasnt riscOS on arm? :)04:51
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javispedrohaiku on the n900!!04:51
cehtehjacekowski: not impossible, but hard to do04:51
ieatlintjavispedro: i think there was actually some basic discussion of that one04:52
jacekowskidifferent cpu04:52
jacekowskiapps will not run04:52
jacekowskieven if you port kernel04:52
cehtehi saied 'port' not recompile04:52
javispedroieatlint: there was a gsoc project actually04:52
jacekowskiand emulation as you said is out of the question04:52
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: partypooper04:52
lcuk_moblinux does not have a kernel, it has a group of bearded midgets working in concert within the old a500 box04:52
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lcuk_moberrr amiga04:53
ieatlintgoogle wasted money on that? :P04:53
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cehtehacquire the source, write a BCPL compiler from scratch to get the low amiga system ported04:53
jacekowskiapps will not run04:53
cehtehwhat apps? ...04:53
jacekowskiunless you add other cpu emulation04:53
jacekowskiall apps04:53
lcuk_mobcehteh, problem with original amiga is less cpu - its more the chipset04:53
DocScrutinizerlo lcuk_mob04:53
cehtehlcuk_mob: yeah you have to port some things rather hardcore04:54
lcuk_mobDocScrutinizer, mobile, i have spent today out and about04:54
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lcuk_mobi could have REALLY done with maps04:54
DocScrutinizeragnus, denise, copper - \o/04:55
cehtehdoes the n900 have some reprogrammable logic? dsp maybe?04:56
cehtehor all etchd in silicon?04:56
DocScrutinizerdsp makes for a nice copper/blitter I guess04:56
cehtehyes, of course needs really heavy lifting04:57
* lcuk_mob misses maps from n81004:57
DocScrutinizerI nver considered those particularly useful04:58
javispedronavicore is at least _complete_04:58
javispedrounlike ovi maps for the n90004:58
lcuk_mobDocScrutinizer, it would have rerouted me to where I needed instead of following the wrong diversion after a motorway closure earlier04:58
jacekowskijavispedro: i think it's complete04:59
lcuk_moband above all, its driver oriented mapping04:59
jacekowskijavispedro: they don't plan to implement any more features04:59
javispedroa complete disaster, that is.04:59
javispedro(ovi maps :) )04:59
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DocScrutinizerI want my tangoGPS, no navi but at least decent maps and direction05:00
DocScrutinizerand tracking05:00
DocScrutinizerand POS05:00
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DocScrutinizeranybody noticed contacts Address is linked to ovi maps (now?)05:01
javispedrosince PR1.2 iirc05:02
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall pr1.1 didn't do this05:02
javispedropreviously, it had a maps icon but you tapping on it did nothing05:02
DocScrutinizerso maybe with pr1.5 we get lat/lon fields in contacts even :-P05:03
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javispedrowow, the eMMC _is_ slow05:04
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DocScrutinizermaemo/meego resembles KDE3 vs 4. When it starts getting reliable and useful, it's abandoned05:04
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javispedroDocScrutinizer: same thought05:05
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DocScrutinizerjavispedro: the eMMC isn't slow, I got sustainable writes @ 12MB/s05:07
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DocScrutinizerthe driver sucks05:07
cehtehlike my laptops hdd :P05:08
cehtehext4 gives a noticeable performance boost btw05:09
DocScrutinizerhmm, ass rage mode worked great, even on VFAT (what else :-P)05:09
DocScrutinizerbut concurrently accessing eMMC and uSD locked my device05:11
DocScrutinizerboth via ass rage and by direct cp05:11
cehtehi had that on my first device, extremely high io loads make it stuck and eventually reboot by watchdog05:12
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cehtehdidnt tried with the current one05:12
cehtehusually i just use rsync with --bwlimit and be patient05:13
cehtehhas the benefit that the device still runs smooth while doing some bulk copy/backup05:13
DocScrutinizermeh, I jus bufferd the whole pile'o'shit on external media, and that worked05:13
cehtehso either 20 minutes unusable device which may eventually crash or 1 hour without noticeable interruption .. make your choice05:14
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DocScrutinizerhmm, I copied 13GB of mp3 to eMMC in like 25min05:14
DocScrutinizerthis is without prev read from uSD though05:15
DocScrutinizerand you can look up my bitching when I tried to do this on device by a cp -a05:15
DocScrutinizerin chan logs05:16
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DocScrutinizerbrother, I was pissed05:16
cehtehuse rsync :P05:16
* cehteh should symlink 'cp' to 'rsync' :)05:17
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DocScrutinizervim /usr/share/local/bin/cp05:17
cehtehwell and VFAT is the next nail on the coffin05:18
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cehtehanyone of you tried how btrfs behaves on meego/n900?05:19
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cehtehi dont expect too much yet, but still05:19
DocScrutinizerheard it acts up somewhat, on #meego-arm05:19
cehteh(what kernel does the meego build use?)05:19
* DocScrutinizer shrugs05:20
DocScrutinizerthink they got even two flavours05:20
cehtehi tested btrfs sometimes.. nice features, reasonable but not completely stable, has some weak spots stoll05:20
DocScrutinizeror was this shr05:20
cehtehbut ehm you really dont need btrfs for its features on a smartphone05:21
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DocScrutinizer5199 chan of BS to choose from05:23
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trip0has anyone tried anything with QML on fremantle yet?07:52
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vdvhow can i increase history size for terminal commands? will "export HISTSIZE 500" in /etc/profile for example do what i want?07:58
cehtehexport HISTSIZE=500     possibly07:59
vdvah, yes, equal sign08:02
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vdvi had to reflash my n900 yesterday, it didn't want to boot, on of changes which i've made before was adding HISTSIZE in /etc/profile (with equal sign), can that be the reason?08:04
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DocScrutinizerI'd doubt it08:17
DocScrutinizerI assume you tested your changes by sourcing /etc/profile08:19
DocScrutinizerrsp si,ply starting a new shell08:19
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pwwhat means 'AutoDisconnect' with the 'Auto switch 2G/3G-Dual' Modes "3G - switch last 2" or "Dual - switch last 5"?08:29
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pwis that a 'time window'?08:31
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logisistis there any sort of allowed call list by group feature in Maemo?08:37
logisistdepending on profile I'd like only certain people to make it ring, otherwise it's silent08:37
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DocScrutinizer51per contact ringtones08:46
DocScrutinizer51the profile settings would/had to change a symlink from a group specific ringtone name to either a arbitrary audiofile or a silent file08:48
trip0my qwebkit page has black background with grey text08:58
trip0is this because of the theme?08:58
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vdvlol, "reboot"-ing n900 from terminal resulted in "Device Malfunction. Reboot in 10 sec" message :)09:01
RST38hOr, maybe, a laptop mike09:01
RST38h<sorry, that was a stale keyboard buffer>09:01
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vdvis it possible to add custom global shortcut in maemo5 ?09:16
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RST38hWhat is customglobal shortcut?09:16
vdvi want to remap Ctrl+Space to call some script09:17
vdvor maybe other key sequence09:17
vdvfrom any app09:17
RST38hYou want to fix physical keyboard switch on a device with EURO1 keyboard?09:18
vdveight-level thing doesn't work correctly for me, it switches between own language and latin09:19
vdvbut i want to switch between german and russian09:19
vdvi've changed rx-51 so that "setxkbmap de" and "setxkbmap ru" does what i want09:20
vdvnow it would be good if i could to map both to keyboard shortcuts09:21
vdvsome packages in extras-devel for phonetic layouts are evil09:21
vdvthere's one for russian phonetic09:22
vdvbut it implies setting eight-level layout in Settings so that Ctrl-Space will work09:22
vdvand also has unusual layout09:23
RST38hvdv: Ok09:24
vdvcan't i setup some system-wide shortcuts? :)09:24
RST38hvdv: The solution is to set it to Russian/Cyrillic Kb and then modify the rx-51 file09:24
RST38hvdv: I have it modified, sent to me by another guy. Want a copy?09:25
vdvdon't think so09:25
vdvi've configured "ru" section of my rx-51 for my specific needs09:26
vdvand i want that in Settings keyboard language will stay german09:26
vdvoccasionally i will switch to "ru" layout to type cyrillic letters09:27
RST38hKinda impossible given the HIM bug that Nokia refuses to fix =(09:27
vdvwhat's impossible?09:27
RST38hImpossible to have two keyboard layouts enabled and switch between them with Ctrl+Space09:28
vdvyes, i know, that's why i've choosed to do everything with setxkbmap09:28
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vdvbut typing everytime that command from terminal to switch layouts is a bit cumbersome09:29
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vdvi wanted to change Ctrl+Space call some another script instead of do standart thing09:30
vdvor, if that is not possible, then some other key binding09:30
vdvFn+Shift+R -> "setxkbmap ru", Fn+Shift+G -> "setxkbmap de"09:32
vdvcan't i bind some global actions on some keys or key sequences?09:33
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TermanaI just found this beauty on t.m.o:09:35
Termana"BTW, the gps locks to satellites in a matter of seconds with a wife or cellular connection"09:35
TermanaAnyone connect their n900s up to their wife?09:35
vdvwife? :)09:36
cehtehmeant wifi09:37
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ieatlintmy favourite was when someone typoed "how do i set the phone into fight mode?"09:42
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DocScrutinizer51vdv: check matan's modified hildon desktop, and dbus scripting09:44
vdvyeah, i'm reading now
DocScrutinizer51I'm not09:45
DocScrutinizer51it's tmo and I don't like looking at that this time of day09:45
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vdvwhat's wrong with tmo?09:46
TermanaDesireDocScrutinizer51: I'm eating phoned rice09:47
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ieatlintmmm, rice09:48
TermanaDesireN900 rice09:48
TermanaDesireI hope that's not poisonous09:48
Myrttimushrooms or acid this time?09:48
vdvhmm, modified-hildon-desktop is a binary...09:49
DocScrutinizer51Myrtti: just hangover from a hoax or urban legend or mass stupidity09:55
DocScrutinizer51a dude called everybody convinced termana of drying his drowned N900 in rice09:57
ieatlintyeah, he should've used silica09:57
DocScrutinizer51warm air09:58
DocScrutinizer51or warm vacuum :-P09:58
ieatlinti could suggest snake oil again10:00
TermanaDesireI'm thinking of just buying a new one somehow10:00
TermanaDesireWe'll see what happens with this one10:00
ieatlintsucks :(10:00
DocScrutinizer51but thinking about it again, TermanaDesire also seen green screws and heard weird noises. So maybe Myrtti is right10:01
TermanaDesireNoise is gone. I crunched thhat rice out10:01
DocScrutinizer51also listening to everybody probably needs some acid, as everybody is notorious and nobody sober would listen to him10:03
TermanaDesireDocScrutinizer51: I'll never listen to that Guy again10:03
ieatlinti've got beer instead of acid10:04
TermanaDesireAnyhow anyone want to tell me if the rice is dangerous to eat? :p10:04
DocScrutinizerso beware of everybody and his weird ideas :-D10:04
ieatlinthave you eaten any?10:04
TermanaDesireBefore I eat it preferably10:04
ieatlintthe only way it would be unsafe is if your phone were covered with bacteria... but as it sounds like you just washed it, it should be fine10:05
TermanaDesireieatlint: depends which answer will make you answer truthfully10:06
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RobbieThe1stHi all10:06
TermanaDesireieatlint: since I put the battery in the rice I was more worried about potential battery acid10:08
TermanaDesireHello RobbieThe1st10:08
RobbieThe1stTermanaDesire: Sorry for breaking in, but were you talking about a N900 battery?10:09
iliusvdv: can you modify german layout to add cyrillic letters?10:09
DocScrutinizerTermanaDesire: DON'T EAT IT! it's contaminated by microwave radiation. Ask everybody, he will confirm GSM and WiFi and microwave oven radiation is almost the same10:09
RobbieThe1stUm... what?10:10
TermanaDesireDocScrutinizer: ha10:10
ieatlintuh, if the battery is damaged, you should be more wary of it than the rice10:10
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: it's true!10:10
ieatlintyour rice has definitely been exposed to many types of radiation10:10
ieatlintand we know radiation is dangerous10:10
RobbieThe1stTermanaDesire: It's a Li-on battery, it doesn't have acid. It's a lot more toxic, and there's a good reason why it's inside a sealed package10:10
vdvilius, not enough place for cyrillic letters10:10
RobbieThe1stNote that the package is -not- the one you see, but a metallic/metallic-looking one inside of that10:11
ieatlintwas wondering.. i didn't think li-ion bats contained acid10:11
iliusvdv: do you really use all combinations of keys with Shift and Fn?10:11
vdvilius, i've placed some special symbols on levels 3-410:11
RobbieThe1stBut yea, I'd probably not want to eat the rice after using it to dry out my N900...10:11
ieatlintwasn't sure though10:11
vdvilius, yes i use symbols such "|", "^" or "{" intensively10:12
iliusvdv: hmmm, another solution is to use virtual keyboard10:13
vdvi've solved my "problem" by making "ru" layout as a diminished "de"10:13
iliusvdv: I thinks that is unlimited to add new letters10:13
TermanaDesireDocScrutinizer: everybody confirms your suspicion10:13
vdvi.e. "ru" is almost copy of "de", but filled on levels 3-4 with cyrillic letters10:13
TermanaDesireDocScrutinizer: do I trust him?10:14
iliusvdv: hmmm, good :)10:14
RobbieThe1stInteresting fact: You can, actually, mount your MyDocs partition on your N900 as readonly -while- its also mounted on your PC... But you won't see any changes to the FS until you umount/remount10:15
vdvilius, so i can use "ru" if i'm not in terminal or other app which needs fast access to special symbols10:15
DocScrutinizerieatlint: I'm not sure what electrolyt LiIon contain, but for sure the Litium isn't healthy by itself10:15
vdvotherwise i have to do "setxkbmap de"10:16
vdvor it's alias simply "de" from terminal10:16
iliusvdv: hmmm10:16
ieatlintcome on, lithium is a commonly prescribed medicine.. how dangerous could it be? :P10:16
iliusvdv: custom desktop icons may also help10:16
RobbieThe1stAnswer: very10:17
iliusvdv: copy a file from /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop and edit it10:17
* ieatlint notes that everybody writes wikipedia articles10:17
ieatlintand you can't trust that10:17
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RobbieThe1stIn -most- cases it's close if not dead on10:17
ieatlintbut about here is where the conversation strays into how easily you can convert a li-ion battery into a small explosive to use on a plane10:18
iliusieatlint: wikipedia knows Maemo (and also Moblin) as deprecated after MeeGo10:18
vdvusing desktop icon is almost so "difficlut" as opening terminal and typing "ru" or "de"10:18
DocScrutinizerieatlint: yeah, and water is even needed to stay alive, still you can drown and you'll even die of osmosis shock when drinking >5L of it10:18
vdvilius, and terminal is almost always open10:18
iliusvdv: :-D10:19
vdvilius, new keyboard shortcut would be best solution, but don't want pollute system with modified-hildon10:20
vdvhad to reflash device yesterday, because messed up everything with all those "extras-devel" apps10:21
TermanaDesireOnce you guys have made up your mind then I'll decide weather or not to drive to the nearest hospital. In the mean time I'm going to enjoy this potentially deadly yummy rice10:21
vdvgood that i had a backup on pc10:21
vdvanyways, reflashing n900 doesn't erase /home/user/*10:21
vdvthat's good10:21
RobbieThe1stTermanaDesire: Worst that'll happen is you get sick. Probably nothing though, assuming the water that got into your N900 wasn't contaminated in the first place10:22
iliusis it possible to copy whole /scratchbox folder from a desktop ubuntu to another desktop ubuntu?10:22
iliuswhitout any problem?10:23
TermanaDesireRobbieThe1st: water contamination? I just thought that was rice flavouring. :p10:23
ieatlintDocScrutinizer: i laugh at how many people learn drinking too much water can kill each year10:23
DocScrutinizer51TermanaDesire: was it bright enough so the rice could actually *see* the N900?10:23
RobbieThe1stHm... So, then, the recommendation to drink 8 glasses of water a day... IT'S A CONSPIRACY!10:24
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iliusvdv: but reflashing reset some configuration of hildon-desktop, and I dont know what10:24
TermanaDesireDocScrutinizer51: what? :p have you been talking with everybody?10:25
iliusvdv: whay that happen10:25
ieatlintor don't use 1L glasses10:25
ieatlintthey say you should have 2L of hydration/day, but that also doesn't mean chug water... fruits and such for instance have a bit, and so forth10:25
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DocScrutinizer51TermanaDesire: everybody pointed me to the fact the rice couldn't know it's been near N900 if there wasn't enough light so the rice can see the device10:26
RobbieThe1stieatlint: I know.10:27
ieatlintRobbieThe1st: Ok.10:27
RobbieThe1st"IT'S A CONSPIRACY" in all caps... Yea, I *must* be being serious.10:28
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vdvilius, because hildon-desktop config data is not under /home/user (or maybe not all data is there)10:29
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vdvilius, rsync-ing from backup to new flashed device works fine10:29
iliusvdv: then where is that?10:29
vdvilius, i don't know exactly, that's just assumption10:30
ieatlintRobbieThe1st: it's unfortunate that you distrust everyone so10:31
ieatlintbut warranted.10:31
vdvilius, i was afraid that rsync won't work correctly, but yesterday i've saw that restoring works pretty fine10:31
RobbieThe1stI assume you couldn't tell that I was being sarcastic in that last comment10:32
ieatlintsarcasm is often used to mask true sentiments10:32
vdvso i run rsync every time i've made major changes on device10:32
RobbieThe1stWhatever. In this case, I was trying to point out that my first comment wasn't being serious10:33
iliusvdv: rsync rootfs with card?10:33
Myrttiwell, that was fun10:34
* vdv thinks that doint such backup in cron is nothing but paranoia10:34
RobbieThe1stHave you ever -restored- one of those backups?10:34
ilius Maemo (deprecated - see Meego)10:35
ieatlintRobbieThe1st: i guess some people just have trouble detecting insincerity and sarcasm10:35
ieatlintbut i try to cut them some slack10:35
vdvilius, rsync -av --exclude=<some_dirs_i_dont_want_backup> / user_at_pc@pc:/data/n90010:35
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RobbieThe1stI don't know what to say to that, honestly. I -do- have trouble if there are no real "clues".10:36
iliusvdv: thanks10:36
ieatlintjust don't take it so seriously :)10:37
vdvRobbieThe1st, yesterday was first time, and it really worked10:37
RobbieThe1stWorst problem is that, in your case, I couldn't tell if you just didn't understand me, or were making your own comment10:38
RobbieThe1stvdv: Great. Did you use rsync to restore, or make a new rootfs and flash it?10:38
ieatlintwell, i didn't mean to actually upset you or anything10:38
RobbieThe1stieatlint:Nah, it's fine10:38
ieatlintmmm, beer10:39
vdvRobbieThe1st, first flashed, then installed rootsh+openssh+rsync+usb_networking, then rsync-ed everything from pc back to device10:40
RobbieThe1stCompletely off all topic here, but I'm curious: With today's video cards, high quality cinematic clips can be rendered in real time at greater than 24fps on a decent computer. Why don't we see any movies/short clips made using such techniques(i.e. rendered on the end user's PC, vs pre-rendering it and shipping the final product)10:41
ieatlintbecause the engines are often proprietary, and require more power than a pc can normally do still10:42
RobbieThe1stWell, I mean using normal fast polygon techniques versus raytracing10:43
ieatlintwhen you add in the size of the engine, models, and the control data, it would almost definitely be larger than a pre-rendered copy as well10:43
tank-manRobbieThe1st, some people do that, they are called demos. they try to make the smallest executable file10:44
wmaronethat and not everyone has the same graphics card10:44
RobbieThe1stHm, demos still exist these days? I thought they sort of disappeared like 10 years ago?10:44
vdvmost integrated cards can't do that10:44
vdvalmost all laptop users use integrated cards10:45
vdvwhich are pretty basic10:45
RobbieThe1stLook at any game these days.10:45
ieatlinti wouldn't say almost all use integrated graphics10:45
ieatlintmany do, but a very sizable amount use ati/nvidia10:45
vdvonly expensive one's not10:46
ieatlinti've got 5 laptops sitting around me, and only 1 has integrated graphics, a netbook10:46
RobbieThe1stThe idea is that you could, using a game engine, create your movie as a series of camera/character motion. Would -everyone- be able to play it fast enough? No. Would everyone play it at 4xaa, 60fps, with highest detail levels? no. But, it could produce a better-than-bluray quality at far less than 25GB. Though, it'd only be suitable for PCs10:46
wmaroneRobbieThe1st: which is precisely why you go the pre-rendered route. If the video plays, it looks the same on all systems.10:47
wmaronebarring that, you just do an in-game cutscene10:47
ieatlinti think you grossly underestimate the amount of data used10:47
wmaroneand that, it's a lot of extraneous, one-use data10:48
RobbieThe1stTrue, I suppose...10:48
ieatlintthe idea is legit, and something we'll perhaps see in a decade10:48
wmaronehell even blizzard pre-rendered clips that were animated using the world of warcraft engine ;)10:48
RobbieThe1stWell, in my favor, I remember halo and it's game-engine-rendered real-time cutscenes. It wasn't perfect, but it was nice. Especially with next-generation computers and 4x AA10:49
DocScrutinizer51haha, Volkswagen adoped Amarok10:50
ieatlinteh.. even the nicest video games graphics can't beat movies like toy story (circa 1995) or final fantasy (that shitty one with shittier than toy story graphics from 2001)10:50
ieatlintthey don't approach the range of motion or detail to appear truly lifelike10:51
RobbieThe1stI certainly recall noticing many oddities with FF7:AC... Like the cloak which appeared tattered, but waved like a solid object10:52
ieatlintalso, beer is good10:52
* RST38h read it as "segment 0xFF7, offset 0xAC"10:53
RobbieThe1stBut, point. "realistic" interaction... probably not. Making a TF2 movie, for instance... with cartoonish 3D etc... I could see it being possible10:53
RobbieThe1stRelated: AMD Dragon platform video:
RobbieThe1stAanyway, it sort of answers my question. Not currently done, unless I can find something in the demoscene10:55
ieatlinti didn't know was still around10:57
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TermanaDesireieatlint: you are not an ordained Google master then I see11:03
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ieatlintno, i'm afraid not11:04
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TermanaDesireAll my data r belong to Google11:08
ieatlintyes, the benevolent internet dictator11:09
RobbieThe1stThat's for sure11:09
RobbieThe1stAh well, I can't believe Google11:09
RobbieThe1st's any worse than, say, MS11:10
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RobbieThe1stStill, I believe in distributing information across many accounts and sites - any one site having all information's not a good idea nomatter what11:10
ieatlintmeh, i trust google as a company11:11
ieatlintthere's nothing too incriminating on my google account either... embarrassing, sure11:12
ieatlintbut i'm not going to worry too much about that11:12
ieatlintplus google is adding two-factor authentication, it's already in place for business customers11:13
ieatlintwhich is awesome11:13
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ebzzryHi! How can I numlock when using OO.o Calc (Easy Debian)?11:25
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MohammadAG51why is QMaemo5InformationBox shit11:33
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ieatlintwhat's wrong with it?11:39
ieatlinti use it without any issue11:39
MohammadAG51it shows a black bar then paints the yellow colour and text11:39
MohammadAG51plus it's not the same size as the bars used in C11:40
ieatlintuh, i don't have either of those issues11:40
ieatlintand as i understand it, that's just a qt wrapper class for the c code11:40
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vdvis there any "timetable" app for maemo5?12:25
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ieatlinti think that guy might win, as he actually defends the waffen ss, insisting they were just serving their country12:44
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hahlowhat filesystem is on n900? is it diffrent in / /home and rest?12:45
ieatlintubifs, except for /home/user/MyDocs which is vfat12:46
RobbieThe1stEr, not so much. the 256mb rootfs (/) is ubifs12:46
RobbieThe1stthe home/opt partition, mapped to /home/ is ext3.12:46
ieatlintooh, didn't know that :)12:46
hahlook thanks12:47
ieatlintok, what he said12:47
RobbieThe1stThe MyDocs partition (/home/user/MyDocs) is fat3212:47
RobbieThe1stYou can get information on all of them by opening a terminal and typing "cat /etc/mtab"12:47
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matti_hautamekiis someone here using qtnx on the n90012:48
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RobbieThe1stWhat is it?12:51
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matti_hautamekiits an  remote desktop protocol lite rdp12:52
vdvalarmed's plays music as alarm even if phone is in silent mode! :)12:52
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matti_hautamekiit works fine except the keyboad12:52
RobbieThe1stWhy not just use VNC?12:52
matti_hautamekilike in lxde i cant write12:52
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matti_hautamekibecause nx is much faster12:53
RobbieThe1sthm... Can't you run X over ssh..?12:53
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matti_hautamekian it can start an session, for example gnome12:53
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matti_hautamekisure i can, but my whole environment is built upon nx12:54
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RobbieThe1stHuh, no idea then12:54
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hahloRobbieThe1st: did older maemo use ubifs too or was it some other packed fs?13:05
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RobbieThe1stUm... Jffs2 IIRC13:06
hahloyes that sounds familiar13:07
RobbieThe1st <- you might find that interesting13:08
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vdvhow can i change n900 alarm-clock signal from terminal?13:18
alteregodo you mean sound?13:20
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Corsachmhm, is angry birds available somehow on n810?13:23
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TermanaDesireAh no13:23
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MrPingouinhello world13:27
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iliusMrPingouin: hello Pingouin!13:29
MrPingouinhowdy ilius  ?13:30
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iliusMrPingouin: tnx13:31
iliusieatlint: is it possible to add AA feature to N900?13:31
iliusAA = Anti Air :-D13:31
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MrPingouinI don't think n900 is a quite effective weapon versus mutalisk13:34
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MrPingouinor maybe... throwing it13:34
ieatlintilius: as long as there are no follow-up questions, yes. absolutely.13:34
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ieatlintespecially if you're referring to the macbook air13:35
MrPingouinieatlint: throught micro usb ? :)13:35
MrPingouin"connect your bfg-9k to the micro usb B port"13:35
ieatlintsorry, that's a follow-up question13:35
MrPingouin"ensure that you're n900 is fully charged"13:36
MrPingouinwhoa, morning13:36
ieatlintbut there should be a "fight mode"13:36
ieatlintpreviously, i saw it decided that fight mode should just consist of some awesome fight scene music to play in the background13:36
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iliusieatlint: :)13:36
MrPingouinunfortunately there's only the flight mode13:36
ieatlintnot so much the "control an AA battery"13:36
MrPingouinthe fight mode is announced for PR 1.813:37
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MrPingouinis it possible via pymaemo to access data from contact list and stuff ?13:38
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Termanaieatlint, fight mode could just consist of you pounding out some Perl code on the n900. POW! FIGHT MODE13:39
iliusMrPingouin: see the module api13:40
ieatlintonly i view perl to be this nasty patched hack13:40
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MrPingouinilius: i'm currently parsing it13:40
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ieatlintpyside-mobility-contacts is part of pymaemo and sounds promising13:42
peb_sorry for jumping in .. isn't perl working on the N900 (haven't tried yet)13:46
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ieatlintuh, well perl is on my n900, and i don't recall installing it, so i assume stock13:47
ieatlintperl 5.8.3 if you care13:47
peb_just checked ... seems to work out of the box.13:49
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psycho_oreosShapeshifter, ping13:52
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D-manHey guys. Has anyone managed to install winexe or any other psexec alternative on N900?14:00
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pupnikwhy is there no 'degree' symbol on a nomral keyboard?  (e.g. degrees celsius)14:18
SpeedEvilbecause decisions have to be made.14:18
RobbieThe1stProbably because it wasn't in ASCII14:19
kerioyou mean ℃?14:20
SpeedEvilThere are more important glyphs anyway.
MrPingouinno, he means °14:20
MrPingouiniso !14:21
keriofun fact - ℃ and °C look identical both in times and in helvetica14:22
SpeedEvilTo be fair, that's not a very fun fact.14:23
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MrPingouinSpeedEvil: I found this very funny.14:30
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jacekowskiD-man: i did14:35
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MrPingouinanyone here uses the matchbox window manager on his n900 ?14:37
SpeedEvileveryone I think.14:37
SpeedEvilWell - it's a fork14:37
MrPingouina fork of what ?14:37
SpeedEvilThe stock wm is a fork of matchbox.14:37
MrPingouinof the black/flux stuff ?14:37
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SpeedEvilOr I'm confused again.14:37
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MrPingouinhmmm, I'm going to try it14:38
SpeedEvilremember to make any scripts you use one-shot, so they can't bootloop the device14:38
SpeedEvilfor example, first thing you do in the script is copy the original script back over the script14:39
MrPingouinhuh ?you're talking about matchbox ?14:39
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MrPingouinI don't get you14:39
SpeedEvilIf you alter the startup scripts, there are vartiou swatchdogs that may kick in14:39
SpeedEviland rebootr the device14:40
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MrPingouinoh, I was about to run it only once14:40
MrPingouinoh you mean, I have to do somehting like /etc/init.d/gdm stop (I know there's no gdm here, but it's for the example)14:40
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SpeedEvilwell - if you run it, it will simply exit with 'display already managed'14:40
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SpeedEvilyou need to terminate the existing wm, and get it to fork and load your wm if you want X to stay up - typically14:41
SpeedEvilotherwise you need to restart X with your wm14:41
MrPingouinI see, and if I don't specify a good line (wrong path for example)14:41
MrPingouinit's an epic failure14:41
MrPingouinno ^C for this ?14:42
MrPingouinI mean, that would allow me to use vim to edit my scripts ?14:42
MrPingouinwhy the hell is that ??14:42
SpeedEvilBecause the watchdogs are all designed to do mostly sane things for the normal user.14:42
SpeedEvilIf you're breaking startup scripts, then they cause problems.14:43
SpeedEvilAnd may cause reboot loops14:43
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MrPingouinwatchdogs ? I never heard of that14:43
SpeedEvilSoftware processes that monitor the state of various hardware and software, and restart the device14:43
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SpeedEvildsme and friends14:43
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MrPingouinthanks a lot14:45
MrPingouinso, except this tricky thing, you use matchbox on an everyday basis ?14:45
SpeedEvilThe default WM is as I understand it a fork of matchbox.14:46
SpeedEvilSo in a way, everyone does.14:46
MrPingouinyou mean, hildon ?14:46
SpeedEvilhildon  is the whole UI - the wm is one small component of this.14:46
SpeedEvilAnd is as I understand a fork of matchbox14:46
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SpeedEvilI could be confused though.14:47
SpeedEvilGood luck - AFK14:47
PontusOhmanAnyone in here that have ported an app from android to maemo?14:47
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jacekowskiandroid apps are java based14:49
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jacekowskiyou would have to rewrite it from scratches14:49
PontusOhmanjacekowski: It's not impossible ^^
jacekowskithen read what it says14:51
jacekowskiit's quide where to start when you are rewriting app to QT14:51
MohammadAG51i like it when people think Qt automagically allows porting14:51
MohammadAG51tbh, I see Qt as a wrapper14:52
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PontusOhmanBut now I was only asking IF someone have ported... Not HOW to port O_o14:54
kerioMohammadAG: well, you won't have to rewrite your application logic when porting a qt application to maemo/meego14:54
alteregoMaybe the UI though :d14:54
kerioalterego: well, no shit14:54
keriodifferent control paradigm requires a different UI14:55
alteregoI'll be doing some research on writing rich UIs for both plain Qt and MeeGo touch14:55
kerioi thought you should use qt mobility14:55
alteregoThey both have Qt Mobility14:55
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alteregoThat offers different services. I'm talking about the presentation layer14:56
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alteregoMohammadAG51: how are you getting on now then?15:03
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MohammadAG51alterego, hmm?15:04
alteregoWith you ps3domui15:05
MohammadAG51kerio, i know, that's why i see it as a wrapper15:05
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kerioi like tkinter :315:05
MohammadAG51alterego, i released the update yesterday15:06
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pupnik  you thought platform games were dull?  'kirby's yarn' gives them a whole new look15:07
pupnik(great candidate for portables)15:07
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keriokirby's epic yarn is game of the year 201015:07
keriotrue story15:07
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alteregoMohammadAG51: oh yeah, you told me I forgot :D15:11
lirakisnokia is stupid, they treat their customers like crap, they have a shit for brains marketing department, and they have no for site of the mobile market.  Having been a n n810, and n900 user (ditched them for my nexus one) and dealt with nokia's shit - I hope they stick with meego so I can watch the product totally bomb and hopefully they will lose a lot of money too.  serves them right for being ass holes to their customers15:11
lirakisok bye bye15:12
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D-manjacekowski: How did you do it?15:13
alteregoNice of you to drop in just to tell us that lirakis15:13
infobotSunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane.15:13
jacekowskiD-man: with a compiler15:13
jacekowskiD-man: download sources and it compiles in scratchbox without any problems15:14
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* alterego contemplates on what he should do now.15:14
plonkeralterego: port bitlbee for maemo ? :)15:14
MohammadAGalterego, I'm a bit bored too,
MrPingouinthis dr launch is pretty cool15:15
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MrPingouinwhy not use bitlbee on public servers ?15:15
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alteregoMohammadAG: :D15:15
alteregowth is bitlbee15:15
alteregoscratchbox, I should really download that too.15:16
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plonkerMrPingouin: 'cos I want my own with my own irssi15:16
Myrttiirc to im gateway15:16
alteregosounds lame15:16
plonkerwfm ;)15:16
alteregowth uses irc anymoew anyway15:16
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keriofuckin nerds15:17
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alteregoMohammadAG: you should play with Qt Quick iss fun :)15:18
MohammadAGalterego, indeed, the Qt Simulator is shit15:18
MrPingouinjpinx-eeepc: irc over ssh screen ?15:18
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MohammadAGalterego, ftw15:18
alteregoMohammadAG: I know, I always run on device :/15:18
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alteregoMohammadAG: yeah, saw that yesterday and it made me want to setup scratchbox again :D15:19
jpinx-eeepcMrPingouin: I run my irssi/bitlbee in a screen in achroot atm 'cos bitlbee won't install natively15:19
D-manjacekowski: thanks, will try.15:19
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* MohammadAG notices a UI glitch in his app15:20
MohammadAGmaking the progress bar appear/disappear causes the page to move -> clicking wrong links15:20
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jpinx-eeepcget your viagra from  musca ;)15:21
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MrPingouindoes anyone know an alternative to the contact app ?15:23
alteregoNot having any friends?15:24
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pupnikworks for me15:25
MrPingouinalterego: talking to ME ?15:26
MrPingouinwait, I have to shave my head first before saying that15:26
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MrPingouinwell, one thing I don't understand is why the contact app has the A-Z column on the right in portrait mode and not in landscape mode15:26
MrPingouinor why, sometimes some contact dones't display the "sms" button ("alors que" in english, I don't know how to translite it) the contact has it15:27
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MrPingouinwoah, transition control is cool15:39
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smokuwho is maintaining ?15:40
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khertanHi !16:10
psycho_oreosbahaha, figured out how to set profile between general and silent through cli via dbus16:11
khertanit s documented in wiki.maemo.org16:12
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psycho_oreoskhertan, bleh, under phone control right? oh well16:17
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MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, you really should take a look at phone-control :P16:21
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, <-- that right? :D16:21
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, no, phone-control is my package :P16:22
psycho_oreosoh :o16:22
MohammadAGit's just a quick way to use the stuff in the phone control page16:22
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, btw I tried giving aptitude a run, it actually died16:22
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, segfault16:22
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah, trying to reproduce the error16:23
MrPingouinpsycho_oreos: what is "cli" ?16:23
psycho_oreosMrPingouin, command line interface.. stuff through shell16:23
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, Ouch!  Got SIGSEGV, dying.. | Segmentation fault (core dumped)16:24
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, doesn't compile properly16:24
jpinx-eeepcme installs Phone-control - thanks MohammadAG :)16:24
MrPingouinpsycho_oreos: kay, I didn't know the acronym, thx16:24
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, running as root right?16:24
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, bleh... nah I'll try it as root16:24
MohammadAGjpinx-eeepc, np :)16:24
psycho_oreosMrPingouin, np16:24
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, yeah it dies even as root, hmm I'll give libcwidget3 a go I suppose16:25
jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: is there a version for SMS yet? -- I am dying for the ability to copy a text file into an SMS16:26
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, the problem is with that library16:26
MohammadAGif it's fixed, aptitude will work16:26
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MohammadAGjpinx-eeepc, like opening a window in conversations with the text pasted?16:26
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, ahh ok, I suppose its a deps issue somewhere on the line? have you successfully compiled it in sb? :D16:26
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, aptitude worked for me for a while, now it doesn't (after I reflashed)16:27
jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: something like that16:27
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, when you say you flashed, its when you switched across to pr1.2 I suppose?16:27
jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: I spend a lot of time ssh'd into the n900 and I'd like to write sms's as plain text files and send them16:28
MohammadAGpsycho_oreos, hmm, can't really remember16:28
psycho_oreosMohammadAG, fair enough, thanks :)16:28
MohammadAGjpinx-eeepc, you mean from terminal?16:28
MohammadAGjpinx-eeepc, that would need python as a dependency, or I need to write a CLI C app :)16:28
jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: yes - if that's what it takes16:28
jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: or an editor like leafpad16:29
MohammadAGjpinx-eeepc, you really lost me :P16:29
MohammadAGdo you want a CLI to send SMSs, or a CLI that opens text in a conversations window16:29
jpinx-eeepccli to send and receive would be good16:30
jpinx-eeepcso I can control SMS's from my laptop16:30
D-manjacekowski: Is there any chance, that you still have compiled binaries lying arroung?16:30
keriojpinx-eeepc: dbus dat shit16:30
jpinx-eeepckerio: que?16:31
kerioyou can send smses with dbus16:32
kerioi would assume you can also read them16:32
jpinx-eeepckerio: irl of a how-to?16:33
MrPingouingood day everybody16:35
* alterego downloads scratchbox16:35
MrPingouinto infinity and beyond !16:35
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MohammadAG sending16:36
MohammadAGalterego, not scratchbox2 right?16:36
alteregoNo, not scr4atchbox[D[C216:36
alteregoUrgh, not 216:36
MohammadAG1337 t41k?16:36
alteregoYes, I am uber l33t I embed control codes into my text16:37
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alteregoThinking about it, I should probably only need the scratchbox maemo runtime setup, so that saves me some bandwidth throguh my phone.16:46
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alteregoThat is, to use scratchbox and Qt Creator :D16:49
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MohammadAGalterego, you probably don't need the closed nokia-binaries16:56
MohammadAGexcept for hildon-theme-alpha, if that's closed16:56
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DocScrutinizerwho's maintaining tmo styles? please... 02-09-10, 07:09 AM puzzles the shit out of me, can we PRETTY PLEASE get a sane YYYY-MM-DD HH(b24):MM TZ date format there16:57
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MohammadAGandrewfblack I think16:58
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alteregoI agree, I don't like the Us date format ...17:00
alteregoSt00pid default17:00
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DocScrutinizersomebody explained to me recently this isn't even a proper US format17:06
DocScrutinizerit's a mere brainfart17:06
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MohammadAGalterego, :)17:09
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DocScrutinizer(tmo date) see and
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Creteilhi all17:12
xDaReaperxwhat the how do you get that in your ubuntu ?17:13
MohammadAGget what...17:13
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CreteilI have a shortcut to an url on my N900 desktop, where I can find the properties file of this shortcut in the console ?17:13
xDaReaperxemulate the browser in Ubuntu17:13
MohammadAGthat's my browser, not microB17:14
MohammadAGand it's not being emulated17:14
MohammadAGmaemo 5 (or part of it anyways), runs natively on X8617:14
infobotfrom memory, maemosdk is
xDaReaperxOh okay17:15
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CreteilI have a shortcut to an url on my N900 desktop, where I can find the properties file of this shortcut in the console ?17:23
CreteilI have to change the url in the properties file ...17:23
CreteilSomeone have an idea ?17:23
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SpeedEvilopen shortcut.17:25
SpeedEviledit url in browser17:25
DocScrutinizeranother tmo madness that constantly drives me nuts: why the heck are single posts like ALL CENTERED?17:25
SpeedEvildelete, and add new shortcut17:25
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xDaReaperxTime to start begging my mom to get the N8 , is it possible to install N900 apps in it ?17:28
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CreteilSpeedEvil, and don't want to use this method, I want to edit the created file ...17:29
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: ??? open bookmarks, clickhold bookmark to edit, select "edit" from context menu17:31
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DocScrutinizerxDaReaperx: nope17:32
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DocScrutinizerit's sybian17:32
xDaReaperxsymbian *17:32
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jpinx-eeepcMohammadAG: I've listed teh basic additional commandss that you might be able to add to phone-control -- where would you like me to post them ?17:33
xDaReaperxi hate touch screen typing though //17:33
MohammadAGjpinx-eeepc, the thread will do :)17:33
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xDaReaperxwhat that you can plug in your USB on the N8 ?17:35
alteregobored, bored, bored17:35
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xDaReaperxok i'll stop talking about it then .. back to Maemo17:36
* alterego is waiting at the train station for his women to arrive.17:36
alteregoUnfortunately I miss calculated journey time and I have to wait half an hour.17:36
DocScrutinizeraaah now it all makes sense... midlife crisis17:36
alteregoisn't any crisis a midlife one?17:37
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DocScrutinizerno, mine is a geriatric crisis17:37
jpinx-eeepcyou're not old enough to have geriatric anything ;)17:38
alteregoDo we need a custom kernel for iptables on the N90017:39
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DocScrutinizerpower will do17:39
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alteregoghey, don't really want a custom kernel.17:41
DocScrutinizerwho does?17:42
alteregoHrm, maybe I could get around this by using ssh socks proxying17:42
DocScrutinizerit'd be so nice if Nokia shipped a proper feature-complete stock kernel17:43
alteregoBasically I want to route through usb networking to n900 wifi17:43
alteregoI can probably use ssh proxying to do this17:43
alteregoNot exactly nat but still :D17:43
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pupnikDocScrutinizer: could a userspace app switch battery power from internal pack to external (via charging port)?17:45
DocScrutinizerpupnik: please elaborate17:45
MohammadAGprobably, not17:45
pupnikcan n900 run from external power only (no internal battery)?17:46
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alteregoDoes it matter?17:46
alteregopupnik: no :P17:46
DocScrutinizerpupnik: charging/bat-mgmt is complex17:46
alteregoYou always need a battery inserted.17:46
DocScrutinizerpupnik: yes17:46
DocScrutinizermodulo cellmo17:47
pupnikso it would be possible to hot-swap battery17:47
pupnikwasn't there an article on that17:47
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MohammadAG~hotswap is
infobotMohammadAG: okay17:47
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG to the rescue17:47
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, too late17:47
MohammadAGAwesome bar <#17:48
alteregoWe need a decent 1t based MeeGo touch browser Mohammad ;)17:48
alterego1t based ...17:49
alteregoFreakin' hell17:49
alteregoQt ..17:49
DocScrutinizeroh, thought "WTF 1000kg??"17:49
MohammadAGthis browser works on Ubuntu and Maemo for now17:49
alteregoPressing meta rather than shift :)17:49
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MohammadAGso I guess it should work on MeeGo17:50
MohammadAGbut it lacks history17:50
MohammadAGand no "http://" in URL bar handling17:50
alteregoWell, it's not meego touch, which kis what we want really17:50
pupnikwell guys it looks like you only have 30 seconds to swap, meaning you couldn't just switch to an external pack for power17:50
MohammadAGbut it has portrait mode, ha!17:50
pupnikat least not with that particular method17:51
MohammadAGalterego, I'm referring to mine :P17:51
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MohammadAGpupnik, anything that works like an external charger and provides enough power should work17:51
pupnikbut recharging the internal battery is wasteful17:53
pupniknokia should realize what a cheap and easy win it could be to add hotswap battery capability17:54
pupnikor am i being stupid17:55
pupnikI've found that if something seems like a 'no-brainer' to me, I just haven't put enough thought into the question...17:56
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alteregoI don't think you're being stupid, if Nokia are serious about this mobile computer thing then they should do it, after all I can do it with my laptop amirite? :D17:59
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DocScrutinizerpupnik: actually I operated my device some hours without battery18:03
jpinx-eeepcpupnik: you have a point - I hoptswap the battery in my eeepc18:03
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DocScrutinizerhotswapping of battery just works. If I'd feel like it I'd create a fancy shellscript 3-liner to push charge end threshold to bare minimum and tickle bq24150 watchdog, so you could hotswap even more comfortable and without concerns about screenblanking and brightness. Anyway any 'external pack' seems needs at least 4V to work reliably during swap - see folloup posts on above mentioned thread18:07
DocScrutinizerpupnik: also keep in mind you CAN NOT operate modem without battery18:09
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: yea - that procedure for hotswapping just needs scripting18:10
DocScrutinizerthere are several hw reasons for this restriction, which aren't simple to work around in sw18:10
DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: basically that particular procedure is so complicated because it doesn't need scripting. As mentioned above a close controlling of bq24150 can remove a lot of the clumsy steps in this procedure. I refer to it as method-218:11
jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: did you try it with one of those emergency charging packs instead of the wallcharger?18:11
DocScrutinizershould work though18:12
jpinx-eeepcor what about while usb charging from a laptop?18:12
DocScrutinizerplease read the thread completely18:12
jpinx-eeepcok ok :)18:12
jpinx-eeepcit's sunday night ;)18:13
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lcuk_mobset it to a small font and speed read :P18:14
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pwwhat's wrong that i can't connect to wlan networks on channel 13? in Europe? its that right?18:17
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* jpinx-eeepc bookmarks these threads for reading when able to concentrate...18:17
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pwi can't switch to my neighbours wlan ;)18:21
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XhindeHello people18:22
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XhindeSomeone used irreco in here before?18:22
Venemo_N810yes, I did18:22
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XhindeIt never started up and then shut down for you, did it?18:22
Venemo_N810for me, it worked okay18:23
Venemo_N810that was a few months ago though18:23
Xhindeyeah, worked ok for me as well until a few secs ago18:23
DocScrutinizerirrecor o|18:23
Xhindewanted to start it, i see it briefly and then it shuts down18:24
Venemo_N810and now my N900 is in repair so I can't help you18:24
Xhindeah damn ^^18:24
XhindeThanks for the offer though18:24
XhindeDocScrutinizer, isnt it without r?18:24
DocScrutinizerno problems here, no r, no updates lately18:25
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xDaReaperxWhat if there were an N900 with Amoled sceen ?18:25
xDaReaperxscreen *18:25
DocScrutinizerif pigs had wings...18:25
XhindeHmm, already tried restarting, reinstalling18:26
xDaReaperxwould there be more clarity and less scratches ...18:26
XhindeI am out of ideas :D18:26
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Venemo_N810xDaReaperx, then that N900 would have a barely legible screen18:27
Venemo_N810xDaReaperx, amoled is not good outdoors18:27
xDaReaperxwhy less brightness ?18:28
* RST38h yawns18:28
DocScrutinizeruninstall, rm ~user/.irreco ~user/MyDocs/irreco /etc/lircd.conf -r /etc/lirc18:28
DocScrutinizerXhinde: ^^^18:28
XhindeNot via the fapman?18:29
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phrykIs there a guide to sdk installation for non-debian linuxes except suse? o_O18:31
DocScrutinizerXhinde: also recall what you did yesterday, as 'I don't know what you did last... " err18:31
Venemo_N810phryk, the GUI installer worked for me on Fedora18:32
XhindeUhm, my brain cant comprehend that sentence18:32
Venemo_N810phryk, of course you'll have to disable SELinux18:32
DocScrutinizerXhinde: rememebr what you did to make it stop work (sorry for me trying to be funny)18:32
XhindeAh, just didnt get it ;)18:33
XhindeWell, i just played around with it18:33
Xhindeclosed it, tried toopen it. bam18:33
DocScrutinizerdownload new remote?18:33
Xhindethat too yeah18:34
DocScrutinizerprobably that remote cam with an undefined lirc backend18:34
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DocScrutinizeror other kinda glitch in config18:35
DocScrutinizerso remove the config files as suggested above18:35
Xhindekk :)18:35
DocScrutinizer(sorry they are so scattered all over the place, not my invention)18:35
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Venemo_N810does the N810 have IR too?18:38
DocScrutinizerXhinde: starting irreco from xterm gives hellofu debug output, so you might want to have a look18:38
DocScrutinizerVenemo_N810: no18:38
Venemo_N810DocScrutinizer, k18:39
Venemo_N810okay, place your bets,,,, will the N95 disconnect me on the metro or not?18:39
XhindeI cant even issue the last command in the terminal? Oo18:40
DocScrutinizeras it's been buggy, Xhinde18:40
Xhindei will give it a shot after uninstall :)18:41
XhindeI could kiss you DocScrutinizer ^^18:42
DocScrutinizerXhinde: rm -r  ~user/.irreco ~user/MyDocs/irreco /etc/lircd.conf /etc/lirc18:42
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XhindeAll is reset18:42
XhindeNow just to find the right settings for my TV ^^18:42
* DocScrutinizer recalls that little girl character in Charlie Brown18:43
XhindeThe one who always takes the football away?18:43
Xhindethanks :)18:44
DocScrutinizerthe one that shouts for iodine and hot water :-P18:44
DocScrutinizer(find the right) yeah, this database is an unmaintained mess18:46
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DocScrutinizerwhere every noob and idiot and troll can upload arbitrary files in realtime18:47
DocScrutinizermuch like extras-devel XP18:48
Xhindei could make my own? ^^18:48
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DocScrutinizerI did, you'll find it under TV LG jr*18:49
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DocScrutinizer(another idiot who uploaded his crap ;-D )18:49
XhindeSay what? Oo18:50
DocScrutinizeryou can take and edit it18:50
DocScrutinizeror build your own from scratch18:50
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Xhindeyeah, cant i just scan my remote somehow? ^^18:54
DocScrutinizerthe most important part is "download from LIRCdb"18:54
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DocScrutinizernot on N900, read LIRC webpages for that18:54
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lcuk_mobi was offline and needed a manpage18:56
lcuk_mob1:0 to you18:56
DocScrutinizerapt-get install mandb-n90018:57
lcuk_mobwhich part of offline did you not get :P18:57
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lcuk_moband does that install the manpages for existing packages18:57
DocScrutinizerfool, I'm suggesting to do it *now*18:58
lcuk_mobi am still offline18:58
lcuk_moboh, wait :P18:58
DocScrutinizerand yes, it comes with a default manpages pkg18:58
DocScrutinizeras maemo pkgs never come with docs18:59
lcuk_mobDocScrutinizer, which repo18:59
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DocScrutinizer~lart docpurge18:59
* infobot takes a big bite out of docpurge's jugular vein18:59
Xhinde17:54 DocScrutinizer • the most important part is "download from LIRCdb" <--- nothing on the list reminds of my model name :D19:00
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DocScrutinizerXhinde: check the model name of your remote control, not of your appliance19:00
XhindeWhy didnt i think of that :)19:00
DocScrutinizermaybe because irreco database is free of such a sensible thinking19:02
DocScrutinizerlcuk_mob: (repo) no idea19:02
DocScrutinizermaybe pkg is named slightly different, apt-cache search mandb will help19:02
jpinx-eeepcis there an application that will display the day/date in the toolbar as well as the time?19:03
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* DocScrutinizer throws a bag of cookies over to MohammadAG51, for listening to the Doc and building mandb19:05
lcukMohammadAG51 just wanted men on his n900 :P19:06
* DocScrutinizer dreams of a community repo with all the right packages in it19:07
lcukthats called maemo extras :P19:07
lcukbut for other stuff, yeah something should hopefully emerge19:07
DocScrutinizerevery package in that awesome repo would come with a *-doc package, and several would also have a *-debug. You could do a SSU and get MHD, and hostmode, and whatnot, all without giving it a brain19:09
oshinfabien is probably laughing somewhere as we are promoting his neat software endlessly19:09
RST38hlcuk moo19:10
lcuk\o RST38h19:10
DocScrutinizeroshin: who's fabien?19:10
DocScrutinizerwhat's 'his software'?19:10
oshinDocScrutinizer, stellariumobile19:10
RST38hah that....The Drama!19:10
* oshin involved, too bad.19:11
DocScrutinizerorrery FTW19:11
oshinand for the battery19:11
Noobmonk3yhmmmm how do i join 2 stringlists in c++ into one string? (ie concatenate?)19:11
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oshinDocScrutinizer, did you try stellarium mobile?19:12
RST38hwhat is a stringlist?19:12
lcukNoobmonk3y, duct tape class19:12
oshini love orrery but i think it's quite different purpose.19:12
oshinlike this is more for entertainment.19:12
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lcukNoobmonk3y, kathy smiled at you and had nothing other than kind words about you yesterday :)19:13
Noobmonk3y - basically i am doing that twice, so want to join the variables :)19:13
Noobmonk3yawwww, Kathy's lovely :) :)19:13
Noobmonk3ywasn't hard to spot her at the meetup even though i had no idea what she looked like lol19:13
lcukit mightv been made more difficult19:14
xDaReaperxWhere can i download Indian language packs ?19:14
lcukhad there been anything tall in the way19:14
xDaReaperxlike is there Hindi Language ?19:14
lcuklike a shoe box or something :P19:14
xDaReaperxor some other19:14
Noobmonk3ylol very very true!19:14
RST38hNoob: this is not C++, this is Qt19:15
Noobmonk3ymeh meh19:15
Noobmonk3ytis all the same to me19:15
Noobmonk3y(waits for abuse)19:15
lcukwhy wait? just go and tell mrs Noobmonk3y you won't do the dishes :P19:15
Noobmonk3ylol lcuk!!  hehehe19:15
RST38hNoob: You can traverse your QStringList with a loop, adding all elements to a single QString19:15
Noobmonk3yooo that sounds clever RST38h  :)19:16
RST38hNoob: This requires you to understand what "loop", "traverse", and "add" is, of course19:16
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phrykthe gui script for skd installation tells me i wouldn't have python-qt419:17
phrykwhich i just installed19:17
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phrykah found the problem19:19
phrykat least one…19:19
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D-manCould anyone compile this source for N900 for me? This sdk is just too much for me.
dylanso, I'm having the "facebrick pops up a modal dialog". Is there a way of booting the n900 with just a terminal or something so I can apt-get remove facebrick?19:24
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PontusOhmanHow long will it take to extract the Easy Debian package?! An hour or more?19:24
dylanI tried ctrl-shift + x, but the facebrick modal intercepts keyboard input. :(19:25
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lcukdylan, eek!19:25
Noobmonk3yPontusOhman: took me 305 mins ish19:25
lcukis your wifi enabled at this point19:25
dylanit happens on boot, before wifi can be turned on19:25
dylanI can get a terminal open, but there's not enough time to type anything before the modal starts19:26
dylanIs there a way of getting at the rootfs? XD19:26
lcuktechnically, (and I am not sure how effective this may be)  would it be possible to install meego on the external mmc, boot it (by flashing a kernel)19:26
lcukthen from within meego, mount the normal maemo rootfs and alter/remove the file19:26
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lcuk(purely hypothetical)19:26
PontusOhmanNoobmonk3y: Ahhhh... Mine is now 35 min so will see whats happens next :p19:27
Noobmonk3y:) :)19:27
PontusOhmanNoobmonk3y: Thx homie19:27
Noobmonk3yhehe, lol - it does seem to randomly differ for people though - some have said up to an hour19:27
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phrykCan one of you tell me which device in /dev the gsm device is?19:31
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DocScrutinizerdylan: powerbutton menu ->kill current task ?19:36
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xDaReaperxa duck ate my N900 what do i do ?19:51
trumeexDaReaperx: eat the duck. lol19:52
Venemo_N810xDaReaperx, kill it, take n900 out19:55
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oshincan duck eat n900?20:02
oshinbig duck?20:02
* oshin carefully typed.20:02
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Venemo_N810oshin, I think he was joking20:03
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Venemo_N810~seen MohammadAG5120:04
infobotmohammadag51 is currently on #maemo (2d 3h 58m 18s) #meego (2d 3h 58m 18s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 4h 58m, last said: 'alterego, i released the update yesterday'.20:04
DocScrutinizerMyrtti: now what alarm is due for that?20:05
DocScrutinizerphryk: none. There's phonet0 and errr gprs0(?) in ifconfig20:08
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Moodiedoes /home/user use NFS in any way? :o20:12
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Moodiei get ls: ./MyDocs: Stale NFS file handle20:12
Moodiein /home/user20:12
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SpeedEvilthe NFS is a lie.20:13
Moodielooks like it20:13
Moodienever saw any nfs20:13
MoodieFS borked?20:13
SpeedEvilIt may mean the fs has been mounted/unmounted from that dir20:13
Moodienea it gives it on files too20:14
DocScrutinizer51stale NFS is fs drives ultimate ratio error msg when the fs is fubar20:14
Moodiels: ./ Stale NFS file handle20:14
DocScrutinizer51try to fsck.vfat it20:14
Moodieit's vfat?20:15
Moodieseems to be ext320:15
DocScrutinizer51err sorry, yes20:15
Moodietried that, only that doesn't work when apps are running ;) but yeah. just wanted to be sure before i moved on.20:15
DocScrutinizer51on vfat there's no such thing like NFS inodes anyway20:15
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DocScrutinizer51BUG: no fsck of any kind involved in system init, no matter if fs is clean, can mount without problems, or has gone years without checking20:22
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Moodieany way to mount this thing on a host machine as flash disk?20:24
Moodie(using usb?)20:24
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MohammadAG51Venemo_N810, ?20:26
Venemo_N810I pm'd you20:27
MohammadAG51100s lag, so excuse me20:27
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Venemo_N810MohammadAG51, I asked, were you able to solve the qt resources issue?20:29
alteregoI think he sorted everything out in the end, did an updated release yesterday20:31
alteregoHave you looked much into my code?20:31
Venemo_N810not much, but I have looked into it20:31
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alteregoThere's a bug in my fullscreen toggle and menu buttons that doesn't show the background opacity properly.20:32
alteregoNot really had a chance to look into it.20:32
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Venemo_N810well, as my N900 is at repair,  I haven't really done any development for it lately20:35
Venemo_N810but when I get it back, I'll try your stufff20:35
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alteregooh yeah forgot you're without at the moment :(20:37
alteregoI plan to setup scratchbox with Qt Creator integration tomorrow, when I've clean installed ubuntu 10.1020:37
Venemo_N810anyways, I have to go now20:40
Venemo_N810goodbye guys :)20:40
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* DocScrutinizer encounters massive telnet connect tries from Turkey and Egypt (mainly)20:45
DocScrutinizertimely correlated bursts from several IPs. Looks like a botnet20:45
DocScrutinizeralso some - our wellknown spammers in Taiwan20:47
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Robotnixonhey is there anyway to print from the n900 if I have a wifi printer??20:49
Stskeepsno printing function in n900 standard os :/20:50
DocScrutinizerI think there's cups20:50
MohammadAG51Venemo_N810, yeah, forgot :/images/ at the start (even when prefixed)20:50
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: s/os/apps/20:50
MohammadAG511k second lag20:50
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: true20:50
Robotnixonhmm interesting20:51
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trip0anyone have any ideas why my qt webkit view thingy appears with black background21:04
trip0i wonder if that is the qt system theme...21:04
Stskeepshandset ux?21:04
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trip0nah, this is maemo21:07
trip0i'm playing with a qml app on maemo21:08
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alteregoQml is fun :)21:10
trip0ahh, passing -style=qt to qmlviewer fixed it21:11
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VladNistorMoodie, you can use to mount everything you ever wanted :)21:15
VladNistor(on a host machine)21:15
trip0passing -opengl to qmlviewer makes everything crawl21:17
trip0well, make qml crawl21:17
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alteregotrip0: yeah, don't do it :P21:18
tybolltStskeeps: what is up in meego land recently?21:19
alteregoI don't think you need to anyway, should already be composited21:19
trip0if i run without, will it be hardware accelerated?21:19
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alteregoI believe so, it certainly performs well enough regardless.21:20
alteregoIt looks better too.21:20
alteregoantialiasing seems better for some reason.21:21
trip0tybollt, meego 1.1 should be out next week21:22
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oshinanyone know app that can have blocks of commandline and can have parameter adjust, assign icons for blocks or a single invocation. collecting them as tools?21:24
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alteregooshin: I have no idea what you mean :)21:25
alteregoBy blocks do you mean a script?21:25
oshinhehe, i know i need to rephrase that.21:25
alteregoYou're free to write scripts and write a .desktop file to make that script runnable from the applications menu21:26
oshinalterego, like, some gui tools that can help you write some scripts21:26
Stskeepstybollt: release on wednesday..21:26
oshinencapsulate a script into a block, with assigned icon, these blocks can be shared among users.21:26
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oshinlike.. [block to find all images] -> [block to send a collection of file to my machine]21:27
oshinso user can visually program a script themselves w/o getting into terminal21:27
SpeedEviloshin: you may want to see
SpeedEvilthough it does not do tht21:28
DocScrutinizerVladNistor: thanks for the useful pointer :-D21:28
oshinSpeedEvil, yeh, i like that.21:28
alteregotmo search is so crap :(21:28
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oshinSpeedEvil, I am thinking if I want to start one, something that can do that and also a front end to graphicsmagick.21:29
oshinso user can use it to manipulate their photos.. sorta..21:29
dylanlcuk: okay, so I'll fash my phone with the meego kernel, boot from mmc, somehow remove facebrick, then how do I get the maemo5 kernel back?21:29
DocScrutinizeroshin: zenity comes to mind21:29
VladNistor :) my pleasure21:29
* oshin googles zenity21:30
alteregodylan: why flash? you can just get the N900 to boot the kernel without replacing any maemo bits21:30
dylanonly because the howto said to.21:30
alteregoOh :/21:30
alteregoWell, wrong howto :21:30
dylanI'm not at all interested in meego, I just want to unbrick my phone.21:30
DocScrutinizerdylan: see VladNistor's link!!21:31
alteregodd image to mmc21:31
oshinDocScrutinizer, may be that and something like Blender's node, you can have node represent a command line, do one thing, and trigger sibling nodes through a DAG21:31
oshina graph21:31
alteregothen flasher-3.5 -l -b -k kernel21:31
VladNistorlink is
oshinand you can collapse a collection of nodes into one tool.21:31
oshinand you can further treat a tool as node.21:32
trip0alterego, doesn't he want -f instead of -l ?  or does he not want to perminantly unbrick his phone?21:32
oshingood bad idea?21:32
alteregotrip0: I dunno,21:32
DocScrutinizertrip0: he wants to run fsck on /home21:33
oshina find node wrapper can take a few inputs and arrange them for gnu find command.21:33
* Noobmonk3y meh's21:34
dylanthanks a lot. :)21:34
DocScrutinizertrip0: so what VladNistor came up with is *exactly* what dylan needs21:34
Noobmonk3yfrals: alive?21:34
dylanwell, very nearly.21:34
fralsNoobmonk3y: aye21:34
fralsNoobmonk3y: playing wow thou so keep highlighting me :p21:35
oshini think it's like os x automator21:35
dylanWhat would be best would be mounting it to an arm vm so I could chroot into my phone's rootfs and apt-get remove facebrick21:35
Noobmonk3yooo wow, just thought i'd say hi! as i haven't properly done it in w while!21:35
Noobmonk3yooo ahhhhh wow!21:35
Noobmonk3yfrals, surely if i keep highlighting you i will pi$$ you off, and you will screw up wow?21:35
fralsNoobmonk3y: yeah i was clean for 18 months but now im hooked again :p21:35
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DocScrutinizerdylan: it's not optimum (which would be a rescue shell builtin to maemo ala 'init -s'), but it's comprehensive, nondestructive, and clearly described how to do it21:36
VladNistorI found that link on the wiki about repartitioning the internal memory, so credit goes to the wiki writer :)21:37
VladNistorthere is the T option for recovery terminal, i've never used it though21:38
oshinanyone know i could do well with qt mobile/javascript binding?21:38
oshinlike if anyone could do well.21:38
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oshini don't do python21:38
trip0use qml?21:39
DocScrutinizerdylan: (apt-get remove) ops, so now I mixed up your problem with the fubar ext3 fs "stale NFS"21:39
oshintrip0, thanks, looks good21:40
DocScrutinizerdylan: didn't the sugested powerbutton-menu work for killing of "current task" which happens to be facebrick?21:40
dylanDocScrutinizer: it's a modal dialog and thus not a "current task"21:40
DocScrutinizeraiui 'kill current task' terminates the process21:41
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dylanit does not see facebrick21:41
DocScrutinizerincl all modal and whatnot windows, requesters etc21:41
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dylanif I start terminal (ctrl-shift-x)21:41
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dylanthen it can kill current task (= terminal)21:41
dylaneven though I can't really see the terminal or interact with it21:42
DocScrutinizerso pondered starting facebrick nstead?21:42
trip0how do i force an app into portrait mode?21:42
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dylanDocScrutinizer: is there a way to do that without being able to see or do anything?21:42
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trip0DocScrutinizer, in the desktop file21:43
trip0or is that a enironment varable?21:43
DocScrutinizerdylan: not really, your best bet is to use the above intitrd and log in via USB terminal to a normal shell. There you can do whatever apt-blah you want21:44
DocScrutinizeror kill processes, whatever21:44
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Khertan_KhrowserHi !21:44
DocScrutinizertrip0: that'S a QObject property (yes, it's incorrect statement - I'm no Qt devel)21:45
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Khertan_KhrowserIt s funny to see that QtWebkit seems faster than Microb21:45
DocScrutinizertrip0: I dunno if there's any way to force an app into portrait from .desktop or the like21:45
Khertan_Khrowserand it s support well undernet webchat21:46
dylanDocScrutinizer: USB terminal?21:46
trip0Khertan_Khrowser, it's not surprising that qtwebkit is faster than microb being based on mozilla21:46
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Khertan_Khrowsertrip0: mozilla is a fast engine too21:47
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Noobmonk3yMohammadAG = Guest93339 ... freakydeaky21:47
trip0not as fast though21:47
trip0in fact, firefox is a pig21:47
DocScrutinizerdylan: >>21:47
DocScrutinizerStart recovery terminal (T)21:47
trip0i stopped using it when chromium came out21:47
DocScrutinizer Contains busybox functionality21:47
dylanI can't see anything on the screen21:48
dylanit's like the brightness is at 021:48
Noobmonk3ycan you plug it into the tv?21:48
Noobmonk3yand use the tv out :21:48
DocScrutinizerNoobmonk3y: meh21:48
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dylancan I unplug it from usb now?21:48
Noobmonk3ymeh meh?21:48
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DocScrutinizerNoobmonk3y: can you stick your finger into the mains outlet?21:48
Noobmonk3ydid i just say something clever? or should i go back to sleep?21:48
oshini think firefox is faster when more pages were open?21:49
oshinwebkit went downhill over multiple tabs in my past experience.21:49
Khertan_Khrowseroshin firefox is faster when you want to block ads :)21:49
VladNistor-mobdylan, unless you mounted your memory on the pc you should be able to unplug, yes21:49
VladNistor-mobotherwise unmount and then unplug21:50
trip0webkit has nothing to do with tabs21:50
trip0it's a webkit vs gecko question21:50
oshintabs means many pages open at once21:50
trip0that's a browser detail, not a rendering engine detail21:50
* VladNistor-mob uses chrome, likes it beter than gecko21:51
oshinif the engine manage memory right or share mem better.21:51
VladNistor-mobi mean webkit21:51
oshinor reused preallocated resource.21:51
trip0oshin, maybe, but again, webkit has no concept of tabs so sharing is out of the question21:51
DocScrutinizerdylan: check initscripts/events & xsession to find where facebrick gets started21:51
trip0and it's up to the implementation to cache stuff21:51
oshintrip0, it's not a tab i meant21:52
oshinbut threads21:52
DocScrutinizerstart up maemo without facebrick modal madness21:52
dylanDocScrutinizer: I just moved the executable21:52
dylanhoping that works21:52
DocScrutinizer:-P should work21:52
trip0at any rate, chromium is loads faster than firefox for me... regardless of how many tabs i have open.21:53
trip0i don't care much about memory on my desktop cuz I have loads of that21:53
dylan long term, chrome uses less memory for me.21:53
oshinwebkit also load much faster than firefox21:53
oshinwell, since chromium use a forked21:53
dylanI used to have a cronjob to kill -9 firefox every night at 4am, so that it would be "fast" the next day21:53
trip0oshin, true21:54
dylanwoo! I have my phone back21:54
VladNistor-mobgald to hear that :P21:56
VladNistor-mobglad i mean :P21:56
dylanThanks, ValdNistor. ;)21:57
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oshinwhat does maemo-select-menu-location do?22:02
MohammadAG51nothing on m5 it seems22:03
oshinMohammadAG51, I installed graphicsmagick from biadlo and i need to get rid of that from post-install22:03
oshinshould that be safe?22:03
RST38hnice typo though22:04
oshingraphics magick, you can convert images, manipulate, mix 2 images etc etc with it.22:04
oshinat command line22:04
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oshinvery good tool no idea why nobody want to port it.22:05
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MohammadAG51oshin, it's available for diablo and not fremantle?22:07
oshinMohammadAG51, just diablo, no fremantle.22:07
xxtjaxxIt appears that mmcblk0 is a 3 partition flash disk internal to the n900 which shows me I/O errors all the time breaking applications and breaking normal working with the device did anybody of you see this before?22:07
MohammadAG51oshin, it might only need compilation22:07
oshinbut installation is just fine, just have to remove the line. the old package seems to have a few object code archive and headers around.22:07
MohammadAG51xxtjaxx, defective device22:08
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oshinno use but good for development.22:08
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oshinMohammadAG51, i think so. I never build a package though.22:08
oshinlike not in 5 years22:08
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xxtjaxxMohammadAG51: Its still in guarentee so getting it replaced will be a no-brainer right?22:09
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MohammadAG51xxtjaxx, yep, should be done on the spot22:09
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xxtjaxxThanks and have a good evening folks!22:11
pwoh no22:11
* oshin digs qml22:11
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pwi think i have a problem with python22:11
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pwshit :(22:11
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oshinanyone want to help me with a front end for graphics magick and other commandline tools that will be done with qml are welcome22:12
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pwoshin: for mutt? ;)22:12
pwi'm onboard :>22:12
oshinpw, sorry i don't read mail :)22:12
oshinmutt the mail client right?22:13
oshini used that long time ago22:13
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oshini am starting qml a couple minute ago want to do app that can encapsulate a command line tool as a reusable gui node block that can be put in a DAGraph22:14
MohammadAG51_DocScrutinizer, can you disconnect my znc?22:14
MohammadAG51_pull the plug on it22:14
DocScrutinizersure, np. Why?22:14
pwi like znc ;)22:14
MohammadAG51_It's lagging a lot, i've missed a lot of PMs today22:14
MohammadAG51_so I got a closer one22:15
MohammadAG51_lag is between me and your server, not me and freenode22:15
DocScrutinizerso you like to permanently cancel that account?22:15
MohammadAG51_either that, or temporarly disable it22:15
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DocScrutinizercan't you simply log out?22:16
MohammadAG51_hmm, how?22:16
MohammadAG51_i can't query *status, it doesn't reply22:16
DocScrutinizererr, *status help22:16
MohammadAG51_yeah, too much lag22:16
DocScrutinizerk, I'll comment out your account and restart it22:17
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pwand i can't transmit or receive mms on the n90022:17
MohammadAG51_i want to shoot the guy who made floodbot22:17
MohammadAG51_<FloodBot1> MohammadAG51, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: How much is 2 plus 1 (2+1)?22:17
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MohammadAG51_<MohammadAG51> 3 you stupid bot, I'm cloaked22:18
pwoshin: use you mms? ;)22:18
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pwokay nice i can see errors
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oshinpw, mms?22:21
pwoshin: 'multi media messages' with fmms?22:21
oshinpw, I don't know, I mplayer mms://something eventually22:21
oshini don't know much about this broadcasting thing.22:21
pwthat's not the same :D22:22
oshinheheh i see22:22
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fralspw: you have the wrong APN in settings22:22
oshini know it now22:22
fralspw: it shouldnt be the name of the access point but the actually access point name.. check
oshinlike sms22:23
oshinno, i dont use it.22:23
oshinit's late, i just didn't have that in my head for some reasons22:23
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oshini used to use it when i was using ericsson t6822:24
oshinpeople are still using that?22:24
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51_: your lag is probably caused by some mossad biological NAT/FW falen asleep, so deep packet inspection to hetzner IPs is laggy22:24
oshini thought push mail should kill it22:24
fralshave about 700k downloads of fmms so i recon someone uses it still22:24
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pwfrals: hmm22:25
Stskeepsfrals: do you have fmms CC'ing you on all incoming mms?22:25
* oshin checks fmms22:26
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fralsStskeeps: sccch! ;)22:26
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pwfrals: i can't see the fault22:30
fralspw: You have: "Access point name: T-Mobile MMS", you should have: "Access Point Name:", see
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pwfrals: ah okay, now i have '' try to success22:36
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pw'downloading mms...'22:37
pwor waiting for timeout :)22:38
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lcukRevdKathy, not really here, but hiya \o22:39
* lcuk is v tired after long sleep last night 22:40
RevdKathyNow you're just trying to make people gossip! Not my fault if you didn't sleep!22:41
lcukkhertans bugtracker never accepted any of hte hundred bugs we attempted this morning22:41
RevdKathyNot surprised. It can't do basic arithmatic!22:41
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RevdKathyGoodnight all22:49
pwgood night RevdKathy :)22:49
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* RevdKathy needs a yawn smilie22:50
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mavhcmy n810 OS is bust, I was going to install onto an SD card anyway, can I do that straight from windows/linux?22:52
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pwfrals: nice i can send me a mms and i became a 'push22:59
pwbut it downloads now over 10minutes22:59
lcukpw, isnt that related to the connection22:59
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pwto send a mms you need more than >5minutes23:20
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pupnikWikileaks data on IED attacks in afghanistan mapped to 1:30 video
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pwworks slowly but it works23:47
pwhm delete old mms there i can't receive...23:49
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