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| internetishard | hey, is easy debian how i get traceroute and all of those other useful terminal apps? | 00:38 |
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| `0660 | it should be | 00:41 |
| internetishard | okay, cause nmap is native on maemo, but most of the apps someone who uses nmap would use don't show up in the repos - so I'm assuming people are using them via easy debian | 00:42 |
| ieatlint | uh, no, you shouldn't need to install debian to get basic tools | 00:42 |
| internetishard | where is traceroute then? | 00:43 |
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| ieatlint | it's generally not its own package | 00:43 |
| internetishard | what is it? | 00:44 |
| ieatlint | but you're talking about installing an entire chroot to get access to a basic utility... that's excessive | 00:44 |
| ieatlint | i don't know off-hand | 00:44 |
| ieatlint | but 5s on google tells me you want the package iputils-tracepath (use tracepath instead of traceroute) | 00:45 |
| internetishard | why do I have to be root to use ping? | 00:45 |
| ieatlint | heh | 00:46 |
| ieatlint | because you touch yourself | 00:46 |
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| internetishard | I shouldve expected that | 00:46 |
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| ieatlint | i believe sending icmp packets is restricted to root on maemo, which isn't a bad policy | 00:47 |
| internetishard | okay, I guess I should expect maemo-specific priv behavior | 00:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It's busybox. | 00:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Expecting gnu-like behaviour from busybox utils will lead to trouble. | 00:48 |
| internetishard | thanks | 00:49 |
| ieatlint | careful, that's getting awfully close to complementing gnu | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | gnu utilities are perhaps not optimal. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | But they are generally - for good or bad - a standard of sorts over much of linux space. | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Busybox hasa number of surprises. | 00:50 |
| ieatlint | yeah, well, they beat solaris.. i'll give them that | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It is not again inherently bad - but it is surprising if you are expecting gnuisms. | 00:51 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - find having almost no options is surprising. | 00:51 |
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| internetishard | i get send failed resume pmtu 65535 when trying to use tracepath | 00:52 |
| ieatlint | nice | 00:52 |
| internetishard | yeah, I've never used tracepath before, just traceroute | 00:53 |
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| internetishard | oh wtf! | 00:57 |
| internetishard | nmap HAS traceroute (nmap --traceroute host)! | 00:58 |
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| vdv | how can i solve "two battery icons" problem, which is appear with "advanced power" app | 00:59 |
| vdv | anybody here using advanced power? :) | 01:00 |
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| * oshin causes 2000 copies of stellariumobile pirated :P | 01:04 | |
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| javispedro | oshin: you counted them? :) | 01:07 |
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| oshin | javispedro, just pipe the log through wc :) | 01:15 |
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| MohammadAG | oshin, isn't it GPL... | 01:18 |
| oshin | MohammadAG, it is GPL as the about stated. | 01:19 |
| oshin | MohammadAG, just the impressions from the tmo made it feel like I want to tag it with piracy word :) | 01:19 |
| oshin | but I doubt that their developer didn't know about this, since he probably made that GPL in the about box themselves. | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | meh | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | tmo people don't know shit | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | i just dropped my N900 | 01:20 |
| MohammadAG | it crossed out the sim | 01:20 |
| * MohammadAG oh shit-s | 01:20 | |
| oshin | true. | 01:21 |
| javispedro | hah, that's what you get for messing with tmo. | 01:21 |
| * MohammadAG does a semi battery hotswap and replaces sim in under 30 secs | 01:21 | |
| MohammadAG | brb | 01:21 |
| javispedro | not going to test if it's still working? :) | 01:22 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, but I don't want to reboot | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | took out the battery, then removed the sim and put it in again | 01:23 |
| oshin | hehe | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | put battery back in, started bme | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | no reboot, sim works | 01:23 |
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| MohammadAG | thus proving the sim can be replaced at runtime on maemo 5 :P | 01:23 |
| * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer | 01:24 | |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder | 01:24 |
| secyritas | wait.. killing bme allows hotswap battery? | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | just a sec | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | you | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | you'll need a power source (damn enter key) | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | basically | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | plug in wall charger | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | remove battery cover | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | stop bme, remove battery | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | you have 30 secs etc | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | do whatever you want | 01:25 |
| secyritas | awesome | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: pah, re-inserting same sim doesn't mean a thing | 01:25 |
| secyritas | didnt know that :-) | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I have a small script actually | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you powered down cellmo? or are you suggesting sim can be chabged without cellmo reboot? | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | I just removed the sim module | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | ssi_mcsaab_imp.ko | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | modprobe -r ssi_mcsaab_imp | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | the sim will get crossed out | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | modprobe it, it will get detected | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah. What makes you think cellmo internal datastructures were properly initialized to new sim ? | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | sometimes my N900 loses the sim for some reason, and crosses it out on its own | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | nothing really | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | but DocScrutinizer | 01:28 |
| javispedro | for example , does reinserting module cause it to reprompt pin? | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | I've experimented with your hotswap | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, sec | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | I don't have to power off display/wlan/3G etc | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | I replaced my battery while on 3.5G | 01:28 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, no | 01:29 |
| MohammadAG | anywho | 01:30 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is there a way to detect if a battery is in or not when bme is not running? | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | err sure, read out twl4030-ADC1(?) | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't ask me how :-P | 01:31 |
| * MohammadAG asks ShadowJK :P | 01:31 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ADC4 | 01:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe you want to probe for VBAT from bq27200 ? | 01:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the big advantage of this: we know how to do it :-P | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe you better probe for IBAT - regarding what you probably want to do | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: also notice there's a direct wire from battery BSI to rapuyama, so cellmo will notice removed battery anyway | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc what it actually does with this info, but aiui it's supposed to *immediately* shut down, so main system might gain a few more ms to power down 'gracefully' from buffer capacitors | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | or it uses this to rescue itself (and SIM) by a emergency shutdown. Probably SIM and rapuyama internal flash also aren't exactly amused to see VDD brownout during a write operation | 01:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (guess why the BSI contact blade is a few MIL shorter than the actual power contacts) | 01:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | by EE that's called a make-last_break-first contact | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the big tragedy is EE never bother to write down all these little details for the SW guys, and the SW guys never realize they might ask as usually they think they know everything. And I'm sitting in the middle and and wonder who's prudent enough to see a job for me on this particular topic | 02:03 |
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| Termana | morning | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I was thinking of making a hotswap app for you | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | the result of any missing intermediary like me are abominations like e.g. bme | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LIES! it's for you, I *know* you :-P | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you're the only one swapping a new bat in, 3 times a day | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | 4* | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | the only one I know | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | sometimes 5, I charge batteries externally | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | one goes empty, put in new one, charge old one | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | cycle | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | etc | 02:11 |
| javispedro | plain evil. | 02:11 |
| nox- | o_O so you prefer rebooting on dead battery to keeping the thing on charger overnight? | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: nobody's rebooting, that's the point | 02:13 |
| nox- | take battery out w/o rebooting? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-24 01:08:22] <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I was thinking of making a hotswap app for you | 02:13 |
| nox- | oh hah | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-24 00:24:56] <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 | 02:13 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | I can get charger status (i.e is one connected?) | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | then stop bme | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | ask user to change battery | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | detect battery out/battery in | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | start bme | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | lock and unlock screen | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | close app | 02:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 02:15 |
| javispedro | hm | 02:15 |
| intelinsider | hey DocScrutinizer :) | 02:15 |
| * alterego starts to feel very schleepy | 02:15 | |
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| MohammadAG | twl4030-ADC4? | 02:16 |
| javispedro | I guess original Doc's instructions guaranteed that bme was pinged when you plugged in charger, thus starting 30s watchdog _then_? | 02:16 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I'm going to sleep now, there should be some example transparent tool buttons in that source blobl I gave you the otherday :) | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | I-BAT (aka current-now) from bq27200 | 02:17 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, I'll figure it out, thanks :) | 02:17 |
| intelinsider | where i can edit that the conversation mail client the sendet mails moved into my 'sent' folder from my mailserver? | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | so.. how do I read bq27200? | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | modest? | 02:17 |
| alterego | np, fullscreen and menubutton classes, sage example is maemo5mainwindow | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, /sys // /proc? | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: noob! we're doing it since ages, see wiki for example | 02:18 |
| alterego | g'night folks | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I2Cget | 02:18 |
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| MohammadAG | night alterego | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | and ty | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i2cget isn't really helpful, I need signals :P | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | containsascriptthatreadseitherbq*kernelmoduleorhardware | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | alsomyspacebarisbrokenagainandneedsvacuumingout | 02:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Thereisnoframeworkexposedtousersthatemitssignals | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, SpeedEvil been faster than my bookamrk searching :-D | 02:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | Awesomebar is awesome. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Though it has its issues if I react too fast. | 02:20 |
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| javispedro | people believe the artifact where you "quickly" scroll hildon-desktop is an actual "feature"? | 02:22 |
| javispedro | *quickly scroll using two fingers, that is. | 02:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer throws a Norten and a "-"at SpeedEvil | 02:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | damn, kornbluth.freenodenet is lagging | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | or I would be probing the value | 02:22 |
| javispedro | ~ping | 02:22 |
| infobot | ~pong | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 02:22 |
| infobot | ~pong | 02:22 |
| MohammadAG | nice lag | 02:22 |
| javispedro | I think the network's falling down, I get nearly 20s lag according to X-Chat lol | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin shit | 02:22 |
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| MohammadAG | back to normal it seems | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 02:23 |
| infobot | ~pong | 02:23 |
| javispedro | yep | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here, plus dropouts | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, had a few misses during last 3 minutes | 02:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you read out current_now as in SpeedEvil 's script and check if current is != 0, this means battery is inserted. poll frequencies shorter 5s are useless | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | discard first non-zero sample after removing battery | 02:25 |
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| intelinsider | okay... i can move the messages from the local sent folder to the server folder | 02:31 |
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| logisist | hello | 02:40 |
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| hawaii_ | UNF | 02:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | any of you guys tried making a chrooted environment inside a scratchbox or some other way apart from using n900 directly? | 02:50 |
| javispedro | to do what? | 02:51 |
| psycho_oreos | to do for example setup debian, ubuntu, etc | 02:51 |
| javispedro | ah | 02:51 |
| javispedro | I once setup a gentoo target | 02:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | inside scratchbox? | 02:52 |
| javispedro | the hard part is to ensure to keep everything compatible with the devkit | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, never worked for me inside scratchbox | 02:52 |
| javispedro | as everything will need to run with the glibc from sbox | 02:52 |
| javispedro | which is quite old | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, you should be able to do it outside scratchbox with qemu | 02:52 |
| * MohammadAG pokes Stskeeps | 02:52 | |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, it's not that, chroot fails with fakeroot, sudo doesn't work | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | do you see a pattern :P | 02:53 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: who needs chroot when you can set up an alternate target | 02:53 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah that's that I thought, I've tried hacking sbox login but have failed | 02:53 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: scratchbox itself is a oversized chroot() call | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, tried that, borked my scratchbox | 02:53 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, hmm qemu, in other words MADDE type? :) | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | qemu on its own should be enough | 02:54 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: setting another target borked your scratchbox? what did you create it with, a hammer? :) | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, a dremel, does it matter? | 02:54 |
| javispedro | after that it would really be a scratchedbox =) < /bad joke> | 02:56 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yodawg, heard you like chroots, so we put a chroot in your chroot in your chroot | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | and we wrapped all that into a vm to make you really happy | 03:00 |
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| NightShift79 | Could one of you plz tell me what hildon-desktop, hildon-home and modest versions/mods you use on your N900 with PR1.2. and where I can find the actual files to download. | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 03:01 |
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| KotCzarny | hi | 03:02 |
| SpeedEvil | i uninstalled modest | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | can i reset dsp from cmdline? | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | other than reboot? | 03:02 |
| KotCzarny | on n800 to be exact | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search might help, NightShift79 | 03:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ot for modest though, possibly | 03:04 |
| intelinsider | mh | 03:04 |
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| intelinsider | 'modest' is the mail client? | 03:05 |
| NightShift79 | yes | 03:05 |
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| NightShift79 | so is MohammadAG's hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb the one to go with untill PR1.3? | 03:06 |
| hawaii_ | That depends on what you want. | 03:07 |
| * MohammadAG suggests http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/thp/hildon-desktop_double_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb | 03:07 | |
| intelinsider | i search a solution to save transmitted messages directly on the server... | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: :-o | 03:07 |
| hawaii_ | Hey, whatever happened to my 3-task patch? :P | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, was too busy on psfreedom | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | and its 2AM in the morning | 03:08 |
| hawaii_ | This is me not caring. | 03:08 |
| hawaii_ | j/k mate. | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | what happend to the hostmode kernel? | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | too tired really :P | 03:08 |
| NightShift79 | Im just looking for you Gurus that found time to fix some of the bugs in hildon | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | can't even watch south park properly | 03:08 |
| MohammadAG | we didn't really fix them | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | we only backported them | 03:09 |
| NightShift79 | I see.. | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh? backported?? | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | PR1.3 has a fix for mce it seems | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | fix for* | 03:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 1707.h madness has no backportable fix | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | the portrait flag works properly now, placing the phone flat does not return the app into landscape mode | 03:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hoooray | 03:10 |
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| MohammadAG | which fixes Facebrick, PSFreedom, my modest and settings patch | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | instrinctiv, and whatever uses the flag with stacked windows | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | given the fact lis302dl driver is somewhat borked, that'S a great news actually | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | instintiv* | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so the driver might've been fixed? | 03:11 |
| * DocScrutinizer cackles | 03:11 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | instrintivly I'd say "maybe, maybe not" | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | anyways, it behaves, unlike in PR1.2 | 03:12 |
| NightShift79 | hmm.. where can I find the download of your newest hildon-home, hildon-desktop, modest, pulseaudio files ? | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | I always thought it was a coding problem, since microB's rotation just works | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | my pulseaudio package needs kernel-power, it reduces but doesn't prevent stuttering | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | the PR1.3 pulseaudio reduces stuttering a lot (but I've encountered it twice under very very heavy load) | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | for the rest, #maemo-ssu | 03:13 |
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| hawaii_ | I'm working on a solution for that "hardware call buttons" thread right now. | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | hw call what? | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, which is? | 03:14 |
| NightShift79 | Ah. okay. thanks so far. I just wanna test your stuff out. but don't know where to download... I'll check #maemo-ssu | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64254 | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | fix for thread: delete it | 03:14 |
| hawaii_ | LOL | 03:15 |
| hawaii_ | You posted in the thread recently, MohammadAG | 03:15 |
| hawaii_ | with a split screen window overlay solution. | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, I know :) | 03:15 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, yes yes, what's your solution? | 03:15 |
| hawaii_ | volume keys. | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | dudes, I think I don't wanna know what you're after | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, someone's complaining the answer/reject keys are two small | 03:16 |
| hawaii_ | using hardware keys for answer/hangup | 03:16 |
| MohammadAG | I suggested a whole window only for answer/reject | 03:17 |
| korhojoa | accelerometer to answer | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | aren't them just FX keys? | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, you got my suggestion for this since months | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, wants to use the volume keys | 03:17 |
| korhojoa | shake to answer | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | korhojoa, never works in real practice | 03:17 |
| KotCzarny | just listen for keys from x events | 03:17 |
| MohammadAG | accelerometers don't work for this stuff | 03:17 |
| korhojoa | well. at least i tried | 03:17 |
| hawaii_ | volume keys is the best option. I am sh-scripting it right now. | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | write accelerometer daemon that will be spawned, listens for shakes, then generates proper keys | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | solved | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, C, please! | 03:18 |
| KotCzarny | send me n900 then i'll write a patch | 03:18 |
| korhojoa | :D | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohyeah! nice while jogging | 03:18 |
| hawaii_ | F C. | 03:18 |
| ieatlint | windmills do not work that way | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | hawaii_, F U :P | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | accelerometers fail for stuff like this | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the concept sucks | 03:19 |
| MohammadAG | a lot | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | lis302 is just fine with that | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | write a feature, make it configurable | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | problem solved | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | which problem??? | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | the problem of jogging? | 03:19 |
| KotCzarny | we are on open platform (kind of) | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | The accel has a hardware mechanism to detect taps. | 03:20 |
| SpeedEvil | This is not implementedinthekernel driver | 03:20 |
| KotCzarny | tRaps | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw we got just one accelerometer, though 3-axis | 03:20 |
| ieatlint | well, you could do some simple gestures with the accelerometer that would be unlikely to suffer false triggers | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: even double-taps | 03:21 |
| ieatlint | such as inverting an axis for just half a second | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and the feature is *easily* to integrate int lis302 driver | 03:21 |
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| MohammadAG | night | 03:22 |
| KotCzarny | anyone knows how to reset dsp? | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not even Nokia it seems | 03:22 |
| ieatlint | but trying to write anything in an sh-script is more of a joke than reality :P | 03:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: eh? | 03:23 |
| ieatlint | just strikes me to write a daemon to monitor accelerometer data in an sh script is a joke | 03:24 |
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| KotCzarny | then write it in c | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | and generat x events | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | or dbus events | 03:24 |
| ieatlint | i've no interest in it | 03:24 |
| KotCzarny | or anything | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's actually BS, as g-meter has *hardware* to do this. Monitoring is really *BAD*, eats lots of cpu cycles and battery, and is slow | 03:25 |
| hawaii_ | It's not a daemon. | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | if hardware supports it, use it | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 03:25 |
| hawaii_ | I don't want to use the accelerometer. | 03:25 |
| KotCzarny | mine doesn't | 03:25 |
| hawaii_ | That's automation that I don't want. | 03:26 |
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| * KotCzarny wrote a visualizer | 03:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned before, lis302dl driver doesn't support all the nice features of g-meter chip, but it's *simple* to fix that | 03:27 |
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| ieatlint | i want to create a new social networking service and call it misanthropy | 03:36 |
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| intelinsider | ^^ | 03:38 |
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| lolloo | is it easy? | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | honestly, a proper g-meter based orientation sensor framework needs a central instance servicing process, that propagates state changes aka events e.g via dbus, much like e.g. liblocation does (though not via dbus, regrettably). It seems mce has control over lis302, but how do you ask mce about orientation events? | 03:40 |
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| javispedro | it works the way you're describing it. | 03:41 |
| javispedro | watch the system bus :) | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew, watch means you can't specify which class of events you're interested in | 03:41 |
| javispedro | no, not really | 03:42 |
| javispedro | _watch is actually the ubercomplex sniffer method where you can add all-crazy filters that nobody uses save for debugging/monitoring | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e. you can't tell mce wich moves and shocks to ignore and save power, and which to report | 03:42 |
| javispedro | oh, that's true. | 03:42 |
| javispedro | but that's a quite high level of filtering. | 03:43 |
| javispedro | you can subscribe for orientation change events, or you can subscribe for full accelerometer data at whatever freq it is these days | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, which means "devels were too bored or too lacy to come up with a proper concept and API spec" | 03:44 |
| javispedro | for some reason these days I know the freq the Pre polls the accel but not the freq the N900 polls the accel =) | 03:44 |
| javispedro | 4Hz, with a flag goes up to 30Hz. | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | lazy* | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, because lis302 isn't supposed to be polled. It's IRQ driven, that's the whole trick of it | 03:45 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: If you try to spec this it quickly gets the size of the wiimote gesture detection middleware | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | you set threshold and filter parameters and get an IRQ when those are tripped | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's exactly what I'd expect from a mce bbus resource query method as well | 03:46 |
| javispedro | well, I do agree in that if the hardware has some kind of gesture detection feature it should be exposed at least | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | then mce just does a logical AND of all those parameters, and filters out the mire sensible ones to not signal them to the clients that called for coarse ones | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but lis302dl kernel driver as is now not even makes use of differential mode, means it detects *absolute* position changes, and it does it in a relatively silly way | 03:48 |
| * javispedro notes his beloved thread about palm pre games is going to convert into yet another thread about flash | 03:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 03:49 |
| infobot | rumour has it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo | 03:49 |
| * javispedro will fire his ICBMs to the next poster who talks about flash on that thread | 03:50 | |
| quanttrom | I am trying to create a new custom welcome video and for some reason I can never get the image to work. Sounds works fine but the screen stays black. Any idea how I should be encoding the videos? | 03:50 |
| javispedro | quanttrom: the builtin media player should be able to play it | 03:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer hands over the remote for the MTHELs to javispedro | 03:50 | |
| quanttrom | javispedro: kk I will check if it can | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools : >>/etc/X11/Xsession.d/10hildon_welcome = shaking-hands-video<< | 03:52 |
| javispedro | I used the source code of that application to try and understand gstreamer yesterday | 03:53 |
| javispedro | quite a powerful tool | 03:53 |
| quanttrom | javispedro: works like a charm in the built in media player .. | 03:53 |
| javispedro | quanttrom: then, no idea. check if size is 800x480, etc. | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | tzz, /usr/bin/maemo-invoker | 03:54 |
| javispedro | no, not that one | 03:54 |
| javispedro | hildon-welcome iirc | 03:54 |
| javispedro | maemo-invoker is just some maemo-launcher specific workaround | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# file /usr/bin/hildon-welcome | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/hildon-welcome: symbolic link to `/usr/bin/maemo-invoker' | 03:54 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: actual binary is in hildon-welcome.launch | 03:55 |
| quanttrom | javispedro: VIDEO: [XVID] 800x480 12bpp 29.970 fps 718.6 kbps (87.7 kbyte/s) | 03:55 |
| quanttrom | looks like it | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF is maemo-invoker doing? | 03:55 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: maemo-inovker/launcher is evil, I know. but someone here told me "the speedup is worth it" | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, lol | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | fork wizardry | 03:56 |
| javispedro | yep | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and preloaded .so | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch that hurts | 03:56 |
| javispedro | and the reason all stock applications inherit the environment of the maemo-launcher daemon instead of that of the current shell | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | BLAAARGH | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so run-standalone.sh is actually a maemo-invoker killer? XP | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, not exactly | 03:58 |
| javispedro | nope | 03:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels sick | 03:58 | |
| javispedro | it gets proper env vars for non-launcher applications specially on sdk | 03:58 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how much speedup we could get from reducing swapping by freeing ram from all those speedup abominations | 04:01 | |
| nox- | bbl | 04:03 |
| * DocScrutinizer waves at nox- | 04:03 | |
| nox- | bye DocScrutinizer | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I bet hildon-welcome has a pretty couple of ugly hacks | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | #1: it doesn't playback the video when called from a rootshell | 04:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | possibly doesn't coexist with matchbox | 04:10 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, it was in water long enough to cause discolouration to the screws | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeer WHAT? | 04:13 |
| Termana | Well, I thought I'd take the back screws out | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got screws that are painted by water colors? | 04:13 |
| Termana | They are partially green | 04:13 |
| Termana | No, I mean. No. | 04:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwewwwwwwwww | 04:13 |
| Termana | Isn't water suppose to turn the metal a different colour before it rusts? | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | those screws are all black finish, some kinda chemical treatment. They shouldn't change color in water | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember some green or blue loctite on the threads though | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | partially green - if it's not loctite - means severe electrolytic corrosion | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | or it wasn't water but maybe battery acid :-P | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | in which case you should have rinsed it with clear clean water (preferably demineralized) some days ago, not now | 04:19 |
| Termana | Sliders making a strange noise as well | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | this definitely wasn't clear water | 04:20 |
| Termana | Well I mean | 04:21 |
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| Termana | Don't kill me | 04:21 |
| Termana | I had it in rice, so I think it's just rice caught in there | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll do that youraself it seems :-P | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | idi** | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | rice, what a nonsense | 04:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | are you rubbing your burns with oil? | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | and read future from tealeafs? | 04:23 |
| Termana | Well, I know you said it doesn't work | 04:23 |
| Termana | But desperation does this to a man | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest you try a sledgehammer | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | *might* work | 04:24 |
| Termana | heh | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | or sacrifice a virgin | 04:24 |
| ieatlint | that works actually | 04:24 |
| javispedro | but, will the rice and the n900 blend? | 04:25 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, at least I haven't chucked it in the oven | 04:25 |
| Termana | But I suppose you're going to tell me that's a great idea | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | oven @ 60° C is just fine | 04:25 |
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| ieatlint | hehe | 04:25 |
| javispedro | microwave it! =) | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEAH!!!! | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | do that! | 04:26 |
| Termana | Ok brb | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | take a video of it | 04:26 |
| javispedro | grab your camera first thought! | 04:26 |
| javispedro | yeah! | 04:26 |
| ieatlint | haha | 04:26 |
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| Termana | HOLY FUCKING SHIT, IT EXPLODED, WTF YOU BASTARDS!!!11111 | 04:26 |
| Termana | :p | 04:26 |
| ieatlint | but is the water gone? | 04:26 |
| javispedro | Termana: that's because you DID NOT GET THE CAMERA!!! | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus you got a nice video now, don't you? | 04:27 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, before I didn't have video on my n900 because the water stopped it all working. Now I have video on my n900... being fried in a microwave. | 04:27 |
| Termana | Can't I sue you guys for not saying that you disclaim all liability? | 04:28 |
| Termana | :P | 04:28 |
| Termana | I can get over 9000 n900s! | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: see, the gap between a chip and PCB is0.00xx mm. if there's some water in there, it takes ages to evaporate, and it will not give a flying F if there's some rice outside the case or next room or where else | 04:28 |
| ieatlint | sure | 04:28 |
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| pupnik_ | lol DocScrutinizer | 04:29 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, so why does everyone recommend rice? | 04:30 |
| pupnik_ | a vacuum with mild heat over the course of a month perhaps :) | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | because everone's always been an idiot | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know him for long, so I can tell | 04:30 |
| Termana | heh | 04:31 |
| pupnik_ | a lot of areas in these devices have wicking-action to water, pulling it into crevices, afaik | 04:31 |
| Termana | So how can I speed up the evaporation? | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, exactly my point pupnik_ | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | heat to 60° C | 04:32 |
| Termana | So how long do I bake it for Chef DocScrutinizer? | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | this will both speed up the evaporation of water and reduce realtive humidity of the air | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2 weeks as I told ya before | 04:32 |
| javispedro | TWO WEEKS | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be sure yes | 04:33 |
| ieatlint | twice the heat, half the time | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 04:33 |
| javispedro | this is quite interesting cuisine | 04:33 |
| Termana | TWO FUCKING WEEKS, IN AN OVEN? | 04:33 |
| ieatlint | works for cooking | 04:33 |
| Termana | Is it just me that isn't feeling good about this? | 04:33 |
| Termana | :[p | 04:33 |
| Termana | :p* | 04:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, place it on your heating, monitor, TV or whatever | 04:33 |
| Termana | Even my emoticons aren't feeling good | 04:33 |
| javispedro | Termana: clearly we don't understand fine cuisine | 04:33 |
| Termana | javispedro, Shall I ask if I need to shove some stuffing up it's arse? | 04:34 |
| javispedro | hm.. | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: chinese eggs take much longer, ans see you don't need to eat your N900 :-P | 04:34 |
| javispedro | N900 + fines herbes | 04:34 |
| javispedro | yummy | 04:34 |
| ieatlint | Termana: aside from the time, the fact that metal elements in the oven could exceed the 60c or similar would worry me :P | 04:35 |
| javispedro | that's it | 04:35 |
| javispedro | I have a nice idea to make myself a million bucks | 04:35 |
| javispedro | start a "Will it bake?" youtube channel | 04:35 |
| Termana | lol | 04:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I actually didn't suggest oven | 04:35 |
| ieatlint | bah, you're too nice then | 04:36 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, TV/monitor, like the CRT types? | 04:36 |
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| javispedro | http://haste.4saken.org/pics/baked8800gtx/8800baked3.jpg | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got an electric pad? | 04:36 |
| javispedro | http://haste.4saken.org/pics/baked8800gtx/8800baked.jpg | 04:36 |
| Termana | I had an old laptop that zapped you when you had it plugged in | 04:37 |
| Termana | Does that count as an electric pad? | 04:37 |
| ieatlint | dude, that guy needs to degrease that pan | 04:37 |
| javispedro | hey, I also had a laptop with that problem | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually a PC at ventilator outlet counts as a nice gentle heat source | 04:37 |
| * javispedro goes see if oven is big enough | 04:37 | |
| pupnik_ | i kind of wish they could seal these electronics in goop before assembly | 04:38 |
| pupnik_ | paint, whatever.. | 04:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer grumbles | 04:38 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, from an engineering pov it's nice. From a RE pov it's W*T*F?!?! | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | we still wouldn't know about bq24150 | 04:39 |
| TermanaDesire | Anything important said after the PC ventilation? | 04:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 04:40 |
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| TermanaDesire | Knocked my 3g stick and got disconnected :p | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wish they just would build better cases that aren't virually open | 04:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the upper half of kbd part - the one that is always covered by the screen, is completely open to the chips and PCB | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | I actually wonder how long it'll take until case is completely filled with dust, lint and all kinds of debris | 04:44 |
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| ieatlint | ;) | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and quite obviously water intrudes easily there | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you hold the device right, you can collect rain on kbd and it will sore up in case | 04:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sTore* | 04:46 |
| javispedro | just get enough debris into the case until the debris makes it completely water-proof | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | good point | 04:47 |
| * javispedro is tempted to post "there's no salvation! abandon ship!!" in one of these "meego will be a tragedy" threads | 04:49 | |
| DocScrutinizer | will be?? | 04:49 |
| yohomer | don't worry; OS/2 still lives. | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | oscar-half :-D \o/ | 04:51 |
| cehteh | haha anyone ported amiga-os to the n900 yet?. .. not the emulators i mean :) | 04:51 |
| jacekowski | cehteh: impossible | 04:51 |
| ieatlint | i think it's funny that the first meego device was a tablet, and there isn't even announced plans to have a tablet ux for meego | 04:51 |
| cehteh | mhm wasnt riscOS on arm? :) | 04:51 |
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| javispedro | haiku on the n900!! | 04:51 |
| cehteh | jacekowski: not impossible, but hard to do | 04:51 |
| jacekowski | impossible | 04:52 |
| ieatlint | javispedro: i think there was actually some basic discussion of that one | 04:52 |
| jacekowski | different cpu | 04:52 |
| jacekowski | apps will not run | 04:52 |
| jacekowski | even if you port kernel | 04:52 |
| cehteh | i saied 'port' not recompile | 04:52 |
| javispedro | ieatlint: there was a gsoc project actually | 04:52 |
| jacekowski | and emulation as you said is out of the question | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: partypooper | 04:52 |
| lcuk_mob | linux does not have a kernel, it has a group of bearded midgets working in concert within the old a500 box | 04:52 |
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| lcuk_mob | errr amiga | 04:53 |
| ieatlint | google wasted money on that? :P | 04:53 |
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| cehteh | acquire the source, write a BCPL compiler from scratch to get the low amiga system ported | 04:53 |
| jacekowski | apps will not run | 04:53 |
| cehteh | what apps? ... | 04:53 |
| jacekowski | unless you add other cpu emulation | 04:53 |
| jacekowski | all apps | 04:53 |
| lcuk_mob | cehteh, problem with original amiga is less cpu - its more the chipset | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo lcuk_mob | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashmob? | 04:54 |
| cehteh | lcuk_mob: yeah you have to port some things rather hardcore | 04:54 |
| lcuk_mob | DocScrutinizer, mobile, i have spent today out and about | 04:54 |
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| lcuk_mob | i could have REALLY done with maps | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | agnus, denise, copper - \o/ | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | blitter | 04:55 |
| cehteh | yeah | 04:55 |
| cehteh | does the n900 have some reprogrammable logic? dsp maybe? | 04:56 |
| cehteh | or all etchd in silicon? | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | dsp makes for a nice copper/blitter I guess | 04:56 |
| cehteh | yes, of course needs really heavy lifting | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 04:57 |
| * lcuk_mob misses maps from n810 | 04:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I nver considered those particularly useful | 04:58 |
| javispedro | navicore is at least _complete_ | 04:58 |
| javispedro | unlike ovi maps for the n900 | 04:58 |
| javispedro | (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr) | 04:58 |
| lcuk_mob | DocScrutinizer, it would have rerouted me to where I needed instead of following the wrong diversion after a motorway closure earlier | 04:58 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: i think it's complete | 04:59 |
| lcuk_mob | and above all, its driver oriented mapping | 04:59 |
| jacekowski | javispedro: they don't plan to implement any more features | 04:59 |
| javispedro | a complete disaster, that is. | 04:59 |
| javispedro | (ovi maps :) ) | 04:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I want my tangoGPS, no navi but at least decent maps and direction | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and tracking | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | and POS | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | POI | 05:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody noticed contacts Address is linked to ovi maps (now?) | 05:01 |
| javispedro | since PR1.2 iirc | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall pr1.1 didn't do this | 05:02 |
| javispedro | previously, it had a maps icon but you tapping on it did nothing | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so maybe with pr1.5 we get lat/lon fields in contacts even :-P | 05:03 |
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| javispedro | wow, the eMMC _is_ slow | 05:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maemo/meego resembles KDE3 vs 4. When it starts getting reliable and useful, it's abandoned | 05:04 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: same thought | 05:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the eMMC isn't slow, I got sustainable writes @ 12MB/s | 05:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the driver sucks | 05:07 |
| cehteh | like my laptops hdd :P | 05:08 |
| cehteh | ext4 gives a noticeable performance boost btw | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, ass rage mode worked great, even on VFAT (what else :-P) | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | but concurrently accessing eMMC and uSD locked my device | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | both via ass rage and by direct cp | 05:11 |
| cehteh | i had that on my first device, extremely high io loads make it stuck and eventually reboot by watchdog | 05:12 |
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| cehteh | didnt tried with the current one | 05:12 |
| cehteh | usually i just use rsync with --bwlimit and be patient | 05:13 |
| cehteh | has the benefit that the device still runs smooth while doing some bulk copy/backup | 05:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, I jus bufferd the whole pile'o'shit on external media, and that worked | 05:13 |
| pw | hi | 05:14 |
| cehteh | so either 20 minutes unusable device which may eventually crash or 1 hour without noticeable interruption .. make your choice | 05:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I copied 13GB of mp3 to eMMC in like 25min | 05:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | this is without prev read from uSD though | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you can look up my bitching when I tried to do this on device by a cp -a | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | in chan logs | 05:16 |
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| cehteh | heeh | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | brother, I was pissed | 05:16 |
| cehteh | use rsync :P | 05:16 |
| * cehteh should symlink 'cp' to 'rsync' :) | 05:17 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | vim /usr/share/local/bin/cp | 05:17 |
| cehteh | :) | 05:17 |
| cehteh | well and VFAT is the next nail on the coffin | 05:18 |
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| cehteh | anyone of you tried how btrfs behaves on meego/n900? | 05:19 |
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| cehteh | i dont expect too much yet, but still | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard it acts up somewhat, on #meego-arm | 05:19 |
| cehteh | (what kernel does the meego build use?) | 05:19 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 05:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | think they got even two flavours | 05:20 |
| cehteh | i tested btrfs sometimes.. nice features, reasonable but not completely stable, has some weak spots stoll | 05:20 |
| cehteh | still | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was this shr | 05:20 |
| cehteh | but ehm you really dont need btrfs for its features on a smartphone | 05:21 |
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| cehteh | :) | 05:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 99 chan of BS to choose from | 05:23 |
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| trip0 | has anyone tried anything with QML on fremantle yet? | 07:52 |
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| vdv | how can i increase history size for terminal commands? will "export HISTSIZE 500" in /etc/profile for example do what i want? | 07:58 |
| cehteh | export HISTSIZE=500 possibly | 07:59 |
| vdv | ah, yes, equal sign | 08:02 |
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| vdv | i had to reflash my n900 yesterday, it didn't want to boot, on of changes which i've made before was adding HISTSIZE in /etc/profile (with equal sign), can that be the reason? | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd doubt it | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | I assume you tested your changes by sourcing /etc/profile | 08:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | rsp si,ply starting a new shell | 08:19 |
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| pw | what means 'AutoDisconnect' with the 'Auto switch 2G/3G-Dual' Modes "3G - switch last 2" or "Dual - switch last 5"? | 08:29 |
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| pw | is that a 'time window'? | 08:31 |
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| logisist | is there any sort of allowed call list by group feature in Maemo? | 08:37 |
| logisist | depending on profile I'd like only certain people to make it ring, otherwise it's silent | 08:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | per contact ringtones | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the profile settings would/had to change a symlink from a group specific ringtone name to either a arbitrary audiofile or a silent file | 08:48 |
| trip0 | hrm | 08:57 |
| trip0 | my qwebkit page has black background with grey text | 08:58 |
| trip0 | is this because of the theme? | 08:58 |
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| vdv | lol, "reboot"-ing n900 from terminal resulted in "Device Malfunction. Reboot in 10 sec" message :) | 09:01 |
| RST38h | Or, maybe, a laptop mike | 09:01 |
| RST38h | <sorry, that was a stale keyboard buffer> | 09:01 |
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| spinningcompass | :) | 09:13 |
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| vdv | is it possible to add custom global shortcut in maemo5 ? | 09:16 |
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| RST38h | What is customglobal shortcut? | 09:16 |
| vdv | i want to remap Ctrl+Space to call some script | 09:17 |
| vdv | or maybe other key sequence | 09:17 |
| vdv | from any app | 09:17 |
| RST38h | oh | 09:17 |
| RST38h | You want to fix physical keyboard switch on a device with EURO1 keyboard? | 09:18 |
| vdv | eight-level thing doesn't work correctly for me, it switches between own language and latin | 09:19 |
| vdv | but i want to switch between german and russian | 09:19 |
| vdv | i've changed rx-51 so that "setxkbmap de" and "setxkbmap ru" does what i want | 09:20 |
| vdv | now it would be good if i could to map both to keyboard shortcuts | 09:21 |
| vdv | some packages in extras-devel for phonetic layouts are evil | 09:21 |
| vdv | there's one for russian phonetic | 09:22 |
| vdv | but it implies setting eight-level layout in Settings so that Ctrl-Space will work | 09:22 |
| vdv | and also has unusual layout | 09:23 |
| RST38h | vdv: Ok | 09:24 |
| vdv | can't i setup some system-wide shortcuts? :) | 09:24 |
| RST38h | vdv: The solution is to set it to Russian/Cyrillic Kb and then modify the rx-51 file | 09:24 |
| RST38h | vdv: I have it modified, sent to me by another guy. Want a copy? | 09:25 |
| vdv | hmm | 09:25 |
| vdv | don't think so | 09:25 |
| vdv | i've configured "ru" section of my rx-51 for my specific needs | 09:26 |
| vdv | and i want that in Settings keyboard language will stay german | 09:26 |
| vdv | occasionally i will switch to "ru" layout to type cyrillic letters | 09:27 |
| RST38h | Kinda impossible given the HIM bug that Nokia refuses to fix =( | 09:27 |
| vdv | what's impossible? | 09:27 |
| RST38h | Impossible to have two keyboard layouts enabled and switch between them with Ctrl+Space | 09:28 |
| vdv | yes, i know, that's why i've choosed to do everything with setxkbmap | 09:28 |
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| vdv | but typing everytime that command from terminal to switch layouts is a bit cumbersome | 09:29 |
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| vdv | i wanted to change Ctrl+Space call some another script instead of do standart thing | 09:30 |
| vdv | or, if that is not possible, then some other key binding | 09:30 |
| vdv | system-wide | 09:30 |
| vdv | Fn+Shift+R -> "setxkbmap ru", Fn+Shift+G -> "setxkbmap de" | 09:32 |
| vdv | can't i bind some global actions on some keys or key sequences? | 09:33 |
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| Termana | I just found this beauty on t.m.o: | 09:35 |
| Termana | "BTW, the gps locks to satellites in a matter of seconds with a wife or cellular connection" | 09:35 |
| Termana | Anyone connect their n900s up to their wife? | 09:35 |
| vdv | wife? :) | 09:36 |
| cehteh | hehe | 09:37 |
| cehteh | meant wifi | 09:37 |
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| ieatlint | my favourite was when someone typoed "how do i set the phone into fight mode?" | 09:42 |
| vdv | :) | 09:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | vdv: check matan's modified hildon desktop, and dbus scripting | 09:44 |
| vdv | yeah, i'm reading now http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41389 | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's tmo and I don't like looking at that this time of day | 09:45 |
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| vdv | :) | 09:46 |
| vdv | what's wrong with tmo? | 09:46 |
| TermanaDesire | DocScrutinizer51: I'm eating phoned rice | 09:47 |
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| ieatlint | mmm, rice | 09:48 |
| TermanaDesire | N900 rice | 09:48 |
| TermanaDesire | I hope that's not poisonous | 09:48 |
| TermanaDesire | :p | 09:48 |
| Myrtti | mushrooms or acid this time? | 09:48 |
| vdv | hmm, modified-hildon-desktop is a binary... | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Myrtti: just hangover from a hoax or urban legend or mass stupidity | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | a dude called everybody convinced termana of drying his drowned N900 in rice | 09:57 |
| ieatlint | yeah, he should've used silica | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | warm air | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | or warm vacuum :-P | 09:58 |
| ieatlint | i could suggest snake oil again | 10:00 |
| TermanaDesire | I'm thinking of just buying a new one somehow | 10:00 |
| TermanaDesire | We'll see what happens with this one | 10:00 |
| ieatlint | sucks :( | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but thinking about it again, TermanaDesire also seen green screws and heard weird noises. So maybe Myrtti is right | 10:01 |
| TermanaDesire | Noise is gone. I crunched thhat rice out | 10:01 |
| TermanaDesire | That | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | also listening to everybody probably needs some acid, as everybody is notorious and nobody sober would listen to him | 10:03 |
| TermanaDesire | DocScrutinizer51: I'll never listen to that Guy again | 10:03 |
| ieatlint | i've got beer instead of acid | 10:04 |
| TermanaDesire | Anyhow anyone want to tell me if the rice is dangerous to eat? :p | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so beware of everybody and his weird ideas :-D | 10:04 |
| ieatlint | have you eaten any? | 10:04 |
| TermanaDesire | Before I eat it preferably | 10:04 |
| ieatlint | the only way it would be unsafe is if your phone were covered with bacteria... but as it sounds like you just washed it, it should be fine | 10:05 |
| TermanaDesire | ieatlint: depends which answer will make you answer truthfully | 10:06 |
| TermanaDesire | Lol | 10:06 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hi all | 10:06 |
| TermanaDesire | ieatlint: since I put the battery in the rice I was more worried about potential battery acid | 10:08 |
| TermanaDesire | Hello RobbieThe1st | 10:08 |
| RobbieThe1st | TermanaDesire: Sorry for breaking in, but were you talking about a N900 battery? | 10:09 |
| TermanaDesire | Yes | 10:09 |
| ilius | vdv: can you modify german layout to add cyrillic letters? | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | TermanaDesire: DON'T EAT IT! it's contaminated by microwave radiation. Ask everybody, he will confirm GSM and WiFi and microwave oven radiation is almost the same | 10:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Um... what? | 10:10 |
| TermanaDesire | DocScrutinizer: ha | 10:10 |
| ieatlint | uh, if the battery is damaged, you should be more wary of it than the rice | 10:10 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: it's true! | 10:10 |
| ieatlint | your rice has definitely been exposed to many types of radiation | 10:10 |
| ieatlint | and we know radiation is dangerous | 10:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | TermanaDesire: It's a Li-on battery, it doesn't have acid. It's a lot more toxic, and there's a good reason why it's inside a sealed package | 10:10 |
| vdv | ilius, not enough place for cyrillic letters | 10:10 |
| RobbieThe1st | Note that the package is -not- the one you see, but a metallic/metallic-looking one inside of that | 10:11 |
| ieatlint | was wondering.. i didn't think li-ion bats contained acid | 10:11 |
| ilius | vdv: do you really use all combinations of keys with Shift and Fn? | 10:11 |
| vdv | ilius, i've placed some special symbols on levels 3-4 | 10:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | But yea, I'd probably not want to eat the rice after using it to dry out my N900... | 10:11 |
| ieatlint | wasn't sure though | 10:11 |
| vdv | ilius, yes i use symbols such "|", "^" or "{" intensively | 10:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | ^^ | 10:12 |
| ilius | vdv: hmmm, another solution is to use virtual keyboard | 10:13 |
| vdv | i've solved my "problem" by making "ru" layout as a diminished "de" | 10:13 |
| ilius | vdv: I thinks that is unlimited to add new letters | 10:13 |
| TermanaDesire | DocScrutinizer: everybody confirms your suspicion | 10:13 |
| vdv | i.e. "ru" is almost copy of "de", but filled on levels 3-4 with cyrillic letters | 10:13 |
| TermanaDesire | DocScrutinizer: do I trust him? | 10:14 |
| TermanaDesire | :p | 10:14 |
| ilius | vdv: hmmm, good :) | 10:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Interesting fact: You can, actually, mount your MyDocs partition on your N900 as readonly -while- its also mounted on your PC... But you won't see any changes to the FS until you umount/remount | 10:15 |
| vdv | ilius, so i can use "ru" if i'm not in terminal or other app which needs fast access to special symbols | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I'm not sure what electrolyt LiIon contain, but for sure the Litium isn't healthy by itself | 10:15 |
| vdv | otherwise i have to do "setxkbmap de" | 10:16 |
| vdv | or it's alias simply "de" from terminal | 10:16 |
| ilius | vdv: hmmm | 10:16 |
| ieatlint | come on, lithium is a commonly prescribed medicine.. how dangerous could it be? :P | 10:16 |
| ilius | vdv: custom desktop icons may also help | 10:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Construction | 10:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | Answer: very | 10:17 |
| ilius | vdv: copy a file from /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop and edit it | 10:17 |
| * ieatlint notes that everybody writes wikipedia articles | 10:17 | |
| ieatlint | and you can't trust that | 10:17 |
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| RobbieThe1st | In -most- cases it's close if not dead on | 10:17 |
| ieatlint | but about here is where the conversation strays into how easily you can convert a li-ion battery into a small explosive to use on a plane | 10:18 |
| ilius | ieatlint: wikipedia knows Maemo (and also Moblin) as deprecated after MeeGo | 10:18 |
| vdv | using desktop icon is almost so "difficlut" as opening terminal and typing "ru" or "de" | 10:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: yeah, and water is even needed to stay alive, still you can drown and you'll even die of osmosis shock when drinking >5L of it | 10:18 |
| vdv | ilius, and terminal is almost always open | 10:18 |
| ilius | vdv: :-D | 10:19 |
| vdv | ilius, new keyboard shortcut would be best solution, but don't want pollute system with modified-hildon | 10:20 |
| vdv | had to reflash device yesterday, because messed up everything with all those "extras-devel" apps | 10:21 |
| TermanaDesire | Once you guys have made up your mind then I'll decide weather or not to drive to the nearest hospital. In the mean time I'm going to enjoy this potentially deadly yummy rice | 10:21 |
| vdv | good that i had a backup on pc | 10:21 |
| vdv | anyways, reflashing n900 doesn't erase /home/user/* | 10:21 |
| vdv | that's good | 10:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | TermanaDesire: Worst that'll happen is you get sick. Probably nothing though, assuming the water that got into your N900 wasn't contaminated in the first place | 10:22 |
| ilius | is it possible to copy whole /scratchbox folder from a desktop ubuntu to another desktop ubuntu? | 10:22 |
| ilius | whitout any problem? | 10:23 |
| TermanaDesire | RobbieThe1st: water contamination? I just thought that was rice flavouring. :p | 10:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | :P | 10:23 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: i laugh at how many people learn drinking too much water can kill each year | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | TermanaDesire: was it bright enough so the rice could actually *see* the N900? | 10:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm... So, then, the recommendation to drink 8 glasses of water a day... IT'S A CONSPIRACY! | 10:24 |
| RobbieThe1st | :P | 10:24 |
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| ilius | vdv: but reflashing reset some configuration of hildon-desktop, and I dont know what | 10:24 |
| TermanaDesire | DocScrutinizer51: what? :p have you been talking with everybody? | 10:25 |
| ilius | vdv: whay that happen | 10:25 |
| ieatlint | or don't use 1L glasses | 10:25 |
| ieatlint | they say you should have 2L of hydration/day, but that also doesn't mean chug water... fruits and such for instance have a bit, and so forth | 10:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | TermanaDesire: everybody pointed me to the fact the rice couldn't know it's been near N900 if there wasn't enough light so the rice can see the device | 10:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | ieatlint: I know. | 10:27 |
| ieatlint | RobbieThe1st: Ok. | 10:27 |
| RobbieThe1st | "IT'S A CONSPIRACY" in all caps... Yea, I *must* be being serious. | 10:28 |
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| vdv | ilius, because hildon-desktop config data is not under /home/user (or maybe not all data is there) | 10:29 |
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| vdv | ilius, rsync-ing from backup to new flashed device works fine | 10:29 |
| ilius | vdv: then where is that? | 10:29 |
| vdv | ilius, i don't know exactly, that's just assumption | 10:30 |
| ieatlint | RobbieThe1st: it's unfortunate that you distrust everyone so | 10:31 |
| ieatlint | but warranted. | 10:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | . | 10:31 |
| vdv | ilius, i was afraid that rsync won't work correctly, but yesterday i've saw that restoring works pretty fine | 10:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | ... | 10:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | I assume you couldn't tell that I was being sarcastic in that last comment | 10:32 |
| ieatlint | sarcasm is often used to mask true sentiments | 10:32 |
| vdv | so i run rsync every time i've made major changes on device | 10:32 |
| RobbieThe1st | Whatever. In this case, I was trying to point out that my first comment wasn't being serious | 10:33 |
| ilius | vdv: rsync rootfs with card? | 10:33 |
| Myrtti | well, that was fun | 10:34 |
| * vdv thinks that doint such backup in cron is nothing but paranoia | 10:34 | |
| RobbieThe1st | Have you ever -restored- one of those backups? | 10:34 |
| ilius | http://elinux.org/Embedded_Linux_Distributions | 10:35 |
| ilius | Maemo (deprecated - see Meego) | 10:35 |
| ilius | :-/ | 10:35 |
| ieatlint | RobbieThe1st: i guess some people just have trouble detecting insincerity and sarcasm | 10:35 |
| ieatlint | but i try to cut them some slack | 10:35 |
| vdv | ilius, rsync -av --exclude=<some_dirs_i_dont_want_backup> / user_at_pc@pc:/data/n900 | 10:35 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I don't know what to say to that, honestly. I -do- have trouble if there are no real "clues". | 10:36 |
| ilius | vdv: thanks | 10:36 |
| ieatlint | just don't take it so seriously :) | 10:37 |
| vdv | RobbieThe1st, yesterday was first time, and it really worked | 10:37 |
| RobbieThe1st | Worst problem is that, in your case, I couldn't tell if you just didn't understand me, or were making your own comment | 10:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | vdv: Great. Did you use rsync to restore, or make a new rootfs and flash it? | 10:38 |
| ieatlint | well, i didn't mean to actually upset you or anything | 10:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | ieatlint:Nah, it's fine | 10:38 |
| RobbieThe1st | ..Anyway... | 10:38 |
| ieatlint | :P | 10:38 |
| ieatlint | mmm, beer | 10:39 |
| vdv | RobbieThe1st, first flashed, then installed rootsh+openssh+rsync+usb_networking, then rsync-ed everything from pc back to device | 10:40 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah. | 10:40 |
| RobbieThe1st | Completely off all topic here, but I'm curious: With today's video cards, high quality cinematic clips can be rendered in real time at greater than 24fps on a decent computer. Why don't we see any movies/short clips made using such techniques(i.e. rendered on the end user's PC, vs pre-rendering it and shipping the final product) | 10:41 |
| ieatlint | because the engines are often proprietary, and require more power than a pc can normally do still | 10:42 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, I mean using normal fast polygon techniques versus raytracing | 10:43 |
| ieatlint | when you add in the size of the engine, models, and the control data, it would almost definitely be larger than a pre-rendered copy as well | 10:43 |
| tank-man | RobbieThe1st, some people do that, they are called demos. they try to make the smallest executable file | 10:44 |
| wmarone | that and not everyone has the same graphics card | 10:44 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hm, demos still exist these days? I thought they sort of disappeared like 10 years ago? | 10:44 |
| vdv | most integrated cards can't do that | 10:44 |
| vdv | almost all laptop users use integrated cards | 10:45 |
| vdv | which are pretty basic | 10:45 |
| wmarone | lolintel | 10:45 |
| RobbieThe1st | Look at any game these days. | 10:45 |
| ieatlint | i wouldn't say almost all use integrated graphics | 10:45 |
| ieatlint | many do, but a very sizable amount use ati/nvidia | 10:45 |
| vdv | only expensive one's not | 10:46 |
| ieatlint | i've got 5 laptops sitting around me, and only 1 has integrated graphics, a netbook | 10:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | The idea is that you could, using a game engine, create your movie as a series of camera/character motion. Would -everyone- be able to play it fast enough? No. Would everyone play it at 4xaa, 60fps, with highest detail levels? no. But, it could produce a better-than-bluray quality at far less than 25GB. Though, it'd only be suitable for PCs | 10:46 |
| wmarone | RobbieThe1st: which is precisely why you go the pre-rendered route. If the video plays, it looks the same on all systems. | 10:47 |
| wmarone | barring that, you just do an in-game cutscene | 10:47 |
| ieatlint | i think you grossly underestimate the amount of data used | 10:47 |
| wmarone | and that, it's a lot of extraneous, one-use data | 10:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | True, I suppose... | 10:48 |
| ieatlint | the idea is legit, and something we'll perhaps see in a decade | 10:48 |
| wmarone | hell even blizzard pre-rendered clips that were animated using the world of warcraft engine ;) | 10:48 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, in my favor, I remember halo and it's game-engine-rendered real-time cutscenes. It wasn't perfect, but it was nice. Especially with next-generation computers and 4x AA | 10:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | haha, Volkswagen adoped Amarok | 10:50 |
| ieatlint | eh.. even the nicest video games graphics can't beat movies like toy story (circa 1995) or final fantasy (that shitty one with shittier than toy story graphics from 2001) | 10:50 |
| ieatlint | they don't approach the range of motion or detail to appear truly lifelike | 10:51 |
| RobbieThe1st | I certainly recall noticing many oddities with FF7:AC... Like the cloak which appeared tattered, but waved like a solid object | 10:52 |
| ieatlint | also, beer is good | 10:52 |
| * RST38h read it as "segment 0xFF7, offset 0xAC" | 10:53 | |
| RobbieThe1st | But, point. "realistic" interaction... probably not. Making a TF2 movie, for instance... with cartoonish 3D etc... I could see it being possible | 10:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | Related: AMD Dragon platform video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5487409898468495967# | 10:54 |
| RobbieThe1st | Aanyway, it sort of answers my question. Not currently done, unless I can find something in the demoscene | 10:55 |
| ieatlint | i didn't know video.google.com was still around | 10:57 |
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| TermanaDesire | ieatlint: you are not an ordained Google master then I see | 11:03 |
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| ieatlint | no, i'm afraid not | 11:04 |
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| TermanaDesire | All my data r belong to Google | 11:08 |
| ieatlint | yes, the benevolent internet dictator | 11:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | That's for sure | 11:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | Ah well, I can't believe Google | 11:09 |
| RobbieThe1st | 's any worse than, say, MS | 11:10 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Still, I believe in distributing information across many accounts and sites - any one site having all information's not a good idea nomatter what | 11:10 |
| ieatlint | meh, i trust google as a company | 11:11 |
| ieatlint | there's nothing too incriminating on my google account either... embarrassing, sure | 11:12 |
| ieatlint | but i'm not going to worry too much about that | 11:12 |
| ieatlint | plus google is adding two-factor authentication, it's already in place for business customers | 11:13 |
| ieatlint | which is awesome | 11:13 |
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| ebzzry | Hi! How can I numlock when using OO.o Calc (Easy Debian)? | 11:25 |
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| MohammadAG51 | why is QMaemo5InformationBox shit | 11:33 |
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| ieatlint | what's wrong with it? | 11:39 |
| ieatlint | i use it without any issue | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | it shows a black bar then paints the yellow colour and text | 11:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | plus it's not the same size as the bars used in C | 11:40 |
| ieatlint | uh, i don't have either of those issues | 11:40 |
| ieatlint | and as i understand it, that's just a qt wrapper class for the c code | 11:40 |
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| vdv | is there any "timetable" app for maemo5? | 12:25 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322939/Conservative-Party-suspends-Harrogate-councillor-Mike-Gardener-photographed-Adolf-Hitler-costume.html | 12:28 |
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| ieatlint | RST38h: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2010/10/12/2010-10-12_tea_partybacked_rich_iott_defends_wearing_nazi_waffen_ss_uniform_says_it_about_e.html | 12:43 |
| ieatlint | i think that guy might win, as he actually defends the waffen ss, insisting they were just serving their country | 12:44 |
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| hahlo | what filesystem is on n900? is it diffrent in / /home and rest? | 12:45 |
| ieatlint | ubifs, except for /home/user/MyDocs which is vfat | 12:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | Er, not so much. the 256mb rootfs (/) is ubifs | 12:46 |
| RobbieThe1st | the home/opt partition, mapped to /home/ is ext3. | 12:46 |
| ieatlint | ooh, didn't know that :) | 12:46 |
| hahlo | ok thanks | 12:47 |
| ieatlint | ok, what he said | 12:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | The MyDocs partition (/home/user/MyDocs) is fat32 | 12:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | You can get information on all of them by opening a terminal and typing "cat /etc/mtab" | 12:47 |
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| matti_hautameki | hi | 12:47 |
| RobbieThe1st | Hello | 12:48 |
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| matti_hautameki | is someone here using qtnx on the n900 | 12:48 |
| matti_hautameki | ? | 12:48 |
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| RobbieThe1st | What is it? | 12:51 |
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| matti_hautameki | its an remote desktop protocol lite rdp | 12:52 |
| vdv | alarmed's plays music as alarm even if phone is in silent mode! :) | 12:52 |
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| matti_hautameki | it works fine except the keyboad | 12:52 |
| RobbieThe1st | Why not just use VNC? | 12:52 |
| matti_hautameki | like in lxde i cant write | 12:52 |
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| matti_hautameki | because nx is much faster | 12:53 |
| RobbieThe1st | hm... Can't you run X over ssh..? | 12:53 |
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| matti_hautameki | an it can start an session, for example gnome | 12:53 |
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| matti_hautameki | sure i can, but my whole environment is built upon nx | 12:54 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Huh, no idea then | 12:54 |
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| hahlo | RobbieThe1st: did older maemo use ubifs too or was it some other packed fs? | 13:05 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Um... Jffs2 IIRC | 13:06 |
| hahlo | yes that sounds familiar | 13:07 |
| RobbieThe1st | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html <- you might find that interesting | 13:08 |
| hahlo | thanks | 13:08 |
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| vdv | how can i change n900 alarm-clock signal from terminal? | 13:18 |
| alterego | do you mean sound? | 13:20 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, is angry birds available somehow on n810? | 13:23 |
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| TermanaDesire | Ah no | 13:23 |
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| MrPingouin | hello world | 13:27 |
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| ilius | MrPingouin: hello Pingouin! | 13:29 |
| MrPingouin | howdy ilius ? | 13:30 |
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| ilius | MrPingouin: tnx | 13:31 |
| ilius | ieatlint: is it possible to add AA feature to N900? | 13:31 |
| ilius | AA = Anti Air :-D | 13:31 |
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| MrPingouin | I don't think n900 is a quite effective weapon versus mutalisk | 13:34 |
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| MrPingouin | or maybe... throwing it | 13:34 |
| ieatlint | ilius: as long as there are no follow-up questions, yes. absolutely. | 13:34 |
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| ieatlint | especially if you're referring to the macbook air | 13:35 |
| MrPingouin | ieatlint: throught micro usb ? :) | 13:35 |
| MrPingouin | "connect your bfg-9k to the micro usb B port" | 13:35 |
| ieatlint | sorry, that's a follow-up question | 13:35 |
| MrPingouin | "ensure that you're n900 is fully charged" | 13:36 |
| MrPingouin | s/you're/your | 13:36 |
| MrPingouin | whoa, morning | 13:36 |
| ieatlint | but there should be a "fight mode" | 13:36 |
| ieatlint | previously, i saw it decided that fight mode should just consist of some awesome fight scene music to play in the background | 13:36 |
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| ilius | ieatlint: :) | 13:36 |
| MrPingouin | unfortunately there's only the flight mode | 13:36 |
| ieatlint | not so much the "control an AA battery" | 13:36 |
| MrPingouin | the fight mode is announced for PR 1.8 | 13:37 |
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| MrPingouin | is it possible via pymaemo to access data from contact list and stuff ? | 13:38 |
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| Termana | ieatlint, fight mode could just consist of you pounding out some Perl code on the n900. POW! FIGHT MODE | 13:39 |
| ilius | MrPingouin: see the module api | 13:40 |
| ieatlint | only i view perl to be this nasty patched hack | 13:40 |
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| MrPingouin | ilius: i'm currently parsing it | 13:40 |
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| ieatlint | pyside-mobility-contacts is part of pymaemo and sounds promising | 13:42 |
| peb_ | sorry for jumping in .. isn't perl working on the N900 (haven't tried yet) | 13:46 |
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| ieatlint | uh, well perl is on my n900, and i don't recall installing it, so i assume stock | 13:47 |
| ieatlint | perl 5.8.3 if you care | 13:47 |
| peb_ | just checked ... seems to work out of the box. | 13:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, ping | 13:52 |
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| D-man | Hey guys. Has anyone managed to install winexe or any other psexec alternative on N900? | 14:00 |
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| pupnik | why is there no 'degree' symbol on a nomral keyboard? (e.g. degrees celsius) | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | because decisions have to be made. | 14:18 |
| RobbieThe1st | Probably because it wasn't in ASCII | 14:19 |
| kerio | you mean ℃? | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There are more important glyphs anyway. http://02d9656.netsoljsp.com/SarcMark/modules/user/commonfiles/loadhome.do | 14:20 |
| MrPingouin | no, he means ° | 14:20 |
| MrPingouin | iso ! | 14:21 |
| MrPingouin | :) | 14:21 |
| kerio | fun fact - ℃ and °C look identical both in times and in helvetica | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | To be fair, that's not a very fun fact. | 14:23 |
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| MrPingouin | SpeedEvil: I found this very funny. | 14:30 |
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| jacekowski | D-man: i did | 14:35 |
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| MrPingouin | anyone here uses the matchbox window manager on his n900 ? | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | everyone I think. | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - it's a fork | 14:37 |
| MrPingouin | a fork of what ? | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | The stock wm is a fork of matchbox. | 14:37 |
| MrPingouin | of the black/flux stuff ? | 14:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Or I'm confused again. | 14:37 |
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| MrPingouin | hmmm, I'm going to try it | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | remember to make any scripts you use one-shot, so they can't bootloop the device | 14:38 |
| SpeedEvil | for example, first thing you do in the script is copy the original script back over the script | 14:39 |
| MrPingouin | huh ?you're talking about matchbox ? | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:39 |
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| MrPingouin | I don't get you | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | If you alter the startup scripts, there are vartiou swatchdogs that may kick in | 14:39 |
| SpeedEvil | and rebootr the device | 14:40 |
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| MrPingouin | oh, I was about to run it only once | 14:40 |
| MrPingouin | oh you mean, I have to do somehting like /etc/init.d/gdm stop (I know there's no gdm here, but it's for the example) | 14:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | well - if you run it, it will simply exit with 'display already managed' | 14:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | you need to terminate the existing wm, and get it to fork and load your wm if you want X to stay up - typically | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | otherwise you need to restart X with your wm | 14:41 |
| MrPingouin | I see, and if I don't specify a good line (wrong path for example) | 14:41 |
| MrPingouin | it's an epic failure | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | yes. | 14:42 |
| MrPingouin | no ^C for this ? | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Nope. | 14:42 |
| MrPingouin | I mean, that would allow me to use vim to edit my scripts ? | 14:42 |
| MrPingouin | why the hell is that ?? | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Because the watchdogs are all designed to do mostly sane things for the normal user. | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're breaking startup scripts, then they cause problems. | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | And may cause reboot loops | 14:43 |
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| MrPingouin | watchdogs ? I never heard of that | 14:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Software processes that monitor the state of various hardware and software, and restart the device | 14:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | dsme and friends | 14:43 |
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| MrPingouin | thanks a lot | 14:45 |
| MrPingouin | so, except this tricky thing, you use matchbox on an everyday basis ? | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | The default WM is as I understand it a fork of matchbox. | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | So in a way, everyone does. | 14:46 |
| MrPingouin | you mean, hildon ? | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | hildon is the whole UI - the wm is one small component of this. | 14:46 |
| MrPingouin | ok | 14:46 |
| SpeedEvil | And is as I understand a fork of matchbox | 14:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | I could be confused though. | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Good luck - AFK | 14:47 |
| PontusOhman | Anyone in here that have ported an app from android to maemo? | 14:47 |
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| jacekowski | impossible | 14:49 |
| jacekowski | android apps are java based | 14:49 |
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| jacekowski | you would have to rewrite it from scratches | 14:49 |
| PontusOhman | jacekowski: It's not impossible ^^ http://nokiasaga.com/porting-android-and-iphone-applications-now-possible-with-qt | 14:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol? | 14:50 |
| jacekowski | then read what it says | 14:51 |
| jacekowski | it's quide where to start when you are rewriting app to QT | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | i like it when people think Qt automagically allows porting | 14:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | tbh, I see Qt as a wrapper | 14:52 |
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| PontusOhman | But now I was only asking IF someone have ported... Not HOW to port O_o | 14:54 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: well, you won't have to rewrite your application logic when porting a qt application to maemo/meego | 14:54 |
| alterego | Maybe the UI though :d | 14:54 |
| kerio | alterego: well, no shit | 14:54 |
| kerio | different control paradigm requires a different UI | 14:55 |
| alterego | I'll be doing some research on writing rich UIs for both plain Qt and MeeGo touch | 14:55 |
| kerio | i thought you should use qt mobility | 14:55 |
| alterego | They both have Qt Mobility | 14:55 |
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| alterego | That offers different services. I'm talking about the presentation layer | 14:56 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: how are you getting on now then? | 15:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, hmm? | 15:04 |
| alterego | With you ps3domui | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, i know, that's why i see it as a wrapper | 15:05 |
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| kerio | i like tkinter :3 | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, i released the update yesterday | 15:06 |
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| pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dM9cjUM6VY you thought platform games were dull? 'kirby's yarn' gives them a whole new look | 15:07 |
| pupnik | (great candidate for portables) | 15:07 |
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| kerio | kirby's epic yarn is game of the year 2010 | 15:07 |
| kerio | true story | 15:07 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: oh yeah, you told me I forgot :D | 15:11 |
| lirakis | nokia is stupid, they treat their customers like crap, they have a shit for brains marketing department, and they have no for site of the mobile market. Having been a n n810, and n900 user (ditched them for my nexus one) and dealt with nokia's shit - I hope they stick with meego so I can watch the product totally bomb and hopefully they will lose a lot of money too. serves them right for being ass holes to their customers | 15:11 |
| lirakis | ok bye bye | 15:12 |
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| D-man | jacekowski: How did you do it? | 15:13 |
| alterego | Nice of you to drop in just to tell us that lirakis | 15:13 |
| plonker | ~sunday | 15:13 |
| infobot | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. | 15:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | D-man: with a compiler | 15:13 |
| jacekowski | D-man: download sources and it compiles in scratchbox without any problems | 15:14 |
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| * alterego contemplates on what he should do now. | 15:14 | |
| plonker | alterego: port bitlbee for maemo ? :) | 15:14 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm a bit bored too, http://i53.tinypic.com/34o3n8j.jpg | 15:14 |
| MrPingouin | this dr launch is pretty cool | 15:15 |
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| MrPingouin | why not use bitlbee on public servers ? | 15:15 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: :D | 15:15 |
| alterego | wth is bitlbee | 15:15 |
| alterego | scratchbox, I should really download that too. | 15:16 |
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| plonker | MrPingouin: 'cos I want my own with my own irssi | 15:16 |
| Myrtti | irc to im gateway | 15:16 |
| alterego | sounds lame | 15:16 |
| alterego | :) | 15:16 |
| plonker | wfm ;) | 15:16 |
| alterego | wth uses irc anymoew anyway | 15:16 |
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| kerio | yeah | 15:17 |
| kerio | fuckin nerds | 15:17 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: you should play with Qt Quick iss fun :) | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, indeed, the Qt Simulator is shit | 15:18 |
| MrPingouin | jpinx-eeepc: irc over ssh screen ? | 15:18 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2010/10/22/qt-creator-and-scratchbox ftw | 15:18 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I know, I always run on device :/ | 15:18 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, saw that yesterday and it made me want to setup scratchbox again :D | 15:19 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MrPingouin: I run my irssi/bitlbee in a screen in achroot atm 'cos bitlbee won't install natively | 15:19 |
| D-man | jacekowski: thanks, will try. | 15:19 |
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| * MohammadAG notices a UI glitch in his app | 15:20 | |
| MohammadAG | making the progress bar appear/disappear causes the page to move -> clicking wrong links | 15:20 |
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| jpinx-eeepc | get your viagra from musca ;) | 15:21 |
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| MrPingouin | does anyone know an alternative to the contact app ? | 15:23 |
| alterego | Not having any friends? | 15:24 |
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| pupnik | works for me | 15:25 |
| MrPingouin | alterego: talking to ME ? | 15:26 |
| MrPingouin | :) | 15:26 |
| MrPingouin | wait, I have to shave my head first before saying that | 15:26 |
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| MrPingouin | well, one thing I don't understand is why the contact app has the A-Z column on the right in portrait mode and not in landscape mode | 15:26 |
| MrPingouin | or why, sometimes some contact dones't display the "sms" button ("alors que" in english, I don't know how to translite it) the contact has it | 15:27 |
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| MrPingouin | woah, transition control is cool | 15:39 |
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| smoku | hi | 15:40 |
| smoku | who is maintaining obs.maemo.org ? | 15:40 |
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| khertan | Hi ! | 16:10 |
| psycho_oreos | bahaha, figured out how to set profile between general and silent through cli via dbus | 16:11 |
| khertan | it s documented in wiki.maemo.org | 16:12 |
| khertan | :) | 16:12 |
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| alterego | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/10/22/1931211/Beware-the-Garden-of-Steven?from=rss | 16:12 |
| alterego | hahah | 16:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | khertan, bleh, under phone control right? oh well | 16:17 |
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| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, you really should take a look at phone-control :P | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60251&page=1 | 16:21 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control <-- that right? :D | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, no, phone-control is my package :P | 16:22 |
| psycho_oreos | oh :o | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a quick way to use the stuff in the phone control page | 16:22 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, btw I tried giving aptitude a run, it actually died | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, segfault | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | amiright? | 16:23 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah, trying to reproduce the error | 16:23 |
| MrPingouin | psycho_oreos: what is "cli" ? | 16:23 |
| psycho_oreos | MrPingouin, command line interface.. stuff through shell | 16:23 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libcwidget3/0.5.13-1maemo1/ doesn't compile properly | 16:24 |
| jpinx-eeepc | me installs Phone-control - thanks MohammadAG :) | 16:24 |
| MrPingouin | psycho_oreos: kay, I didn't know the acronym, thx | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, running as root right? | 16:24 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, bleh... nah I'll try it as root | 16:24 |
| MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, np :) | 16:24 |
| psycho_oreos | MrPingouin, np | 16:24 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yeah it dies even as root, hmm I'll give libcwidget3 a go I suppose | 16:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: is there a version for SMS yet? -- I am dying for the ability to copy a text file into an SMS | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, the problem is with that library | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | if it's fixed, aptitude will work | 16:26 |
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| MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, like opening a window in conversations with the text pasted? | 16:26 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ahh ok, I suppose its a deps issue somewhere on the line? have you successfully compiled it in sb? :D | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, aptitude worked for me for a while, now it doesn't (after I reflashed) | 16:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: something like that | 16:27 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, when you say you flashed, its when you switched across to pr1.2 I suppose? | 16:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: I spend a lot of time ssh'd into the n900 and I'd like to write sms's as plain text files and send them | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, hmm, can't really remember | 16:28 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, fair enough, thanks :) | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, you mean from terminal? | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, that would need python as a dependency, or I need to write a CLI C app :) | 16:28 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: yes - if that's what it takes | 16:28 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: or an editor like leafpad | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, you really lost me :P | 16:29 |
| MohammadAG | do you want a CLI to send SMSs, or a CLI that opens text in a conversations window | 16:29 |
| jpinx-eeepc | cli to send and receive would be good | 16:30 |
| jpinx-eeepc | so I can control SMS's from my laptop | 16:30 |
| D-man | jacekowski: Is there any chance, that you still have compiled binaries lying arroung? | 16:30 |
| kerio | jpinx-eeepc: dbus dat shit | 16:30 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kerio: que? | 16:31 |
| kerio | you can send smses with dbus | 16:32 |
| kerio | i would assume you can also read them | 16:32 |
| jpinx-eeepc | kerio: irl of a how-to? | 16:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | *url.. | 16:33 |
| MrPingouin | good day everybody | 16:35 |
| * alterego downloads scratchbox | 16:35 | |
| MrPingouin | to infinity and beyond ! | 16:35 |
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| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=558430&postcount=57 sending | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, not scratchbox2 right? | 16:36 |
| alterego | No, not scr4atchbox[D[C2 | 16:36 |
| alterego | Urgh, not 2 | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | 1337 t41k? | 16:36 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:36 |
| alterego | Yes, I am uber l33t I embed control codes into my text | 16:37 |
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| alterego | Thinking about it, I should probably only need the scratchbox maemo runtime setup, so that saves me some bandwidth throguh my phone. | 16:46 |
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| alterego | That is, to use scratchbox and Qt Creator :D | 16:49 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, you probably don't need the closed nokia-binaries | 16:56 |
| MohammadAG | except for hildon-theme-alpha, if that's closed | 16:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | who's maintaining tmo styles? please... 02-09-10, 07:09 AM puzzles the shit out of me, can we PRETTY PLEASE get a sane YYYY-MM-DD HH(b24):MM TZ date format there | 16:57 |
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| MohammadAG | andrewfblack I think | 16:58 |
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| alterego | I agree, I don't like the Us date format ... | 17:00 |
| alterego | St00pid default | 17:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | somebody explained to me recently this isn't even a proper US format | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a mere brainfart | 17:06 |
| xDaReaperx | Hey | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, http://i53.tinypic.com/hvc46g.jpg :) | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (tmo date) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_formats#Advantages_for_ordering_in_sequence and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 | 17:12 |
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| Creteil | hi all | 17:12 |
| xDaReaperx | what the how do you get that in your ubuntu ? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | get what... | 17:13 |
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| Creteil | I have a shortcut to an url on my N900 desktop, where I can find the properties file of this shortcut in the console ? | 17:13 |
| xDaReaperx | emulate the browser in Ubuntu | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | that's my browser, not microB | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | and it's not being emulated | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | maemo 5 (or part of it anyways), runs natively on X86 | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | ~maemosdk | 17:14 |
| infobot | from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation | 17:14 |
| xDaReaperx | Oh okay | 17:15 |
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| Creteil | I have a shortcut to an url on my N900 desktop, where I can find the properties file of this shortcut in the console ? | 17:23 |
| Creteil | I have to change the url in the properties file ... | 17:23 |
| Creteil | Someone have an idea ? | 17:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | open shortcut. | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | edit url in browser | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | another tmo madness that constantly drives me nuts: why the heck are single posts like http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=843060&postcount=219 ALL CENTERED? | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | bookmark | 17:25 |
| SpeedEvil | delete, and add new shortcut | 17:25 |
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| xDaReaperx | Time to start begging my mom to get the N8 , is it possible to install N900 apps in it ? | 17:28 |
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| Creteil | SpeedEvil, and don't want to use this method, I want to edit the created file ... | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ??? open bookmarks, clickhold bookmark to edit, select "edit" from context menu | 17:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | xDaReaperx: nope | 17:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's sybian | 17:32 |
| xDaReaperx | symbian * | 17:32 |
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| xDaReaperx | okay | 17:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: I've listed teh basic additional commandss that you might be able to add to phone-control -- where would you like me to post them ? | 17:33 |
| xDaReaperx | i hate touch screen typing though // | 17:33 |
| MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, the thread will do :) | 17:33 |
| jpinx-eeepc | oki-doki | 17:33 |
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| xDaReaperx | what that you can plug in your USB on the N8 ? | 17:35 |
| xDaReaperx | o_O | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ??? | 17:35 |
| alterego | bored, bored, bored | 17:35 |
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| xDaReaperx | ok i'll stop talking about it then .. back to Maemo | 17:36 |
| * alterego is waiting at the train station for his women to arrive. | 17:36 | |
| alterego | Unfortunately I miss calculated journey time and I have to wait half an hour. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah now it all makes sense... midlife crisis | 17:36 |
| alterego | isn't any crisis a midlife one? | 17:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, mine is a geriatric crisis | 17:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:37 |
| jpinx-eeepc | you're not old enough to have geriatric anything ;) | 17:38 |
| alterego | Do we need a custom kernel for iptables on the N900 | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | power will do | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 17:39 |
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| alterego | ghey, don't really want a custom kernel. | 17:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | who does? | 17:42 |
| alterego | Hrm, maybe I could get around this by using ssh socks proxying | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | it'd be so nice if Nokia shipped a proper feature-complete stock kernel | 17:43 |
| alterego | Basically I want to route through usb networking to n900 wifi | 17:43 |
| alterego | I can probably use ssh proxying to do this | 17:43 |
| alterego | Not exactly nat but still :D | 17:43 |
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| MohammadAG | http://i53.tinypic.com/2mxxf5.jpg | 17:45 |
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| pupnik | DocScrutinizer: could a userspace app switch battery power from internal pack to external (via charging port)? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: please elaborate | 17:45 |
| MohammadAG | probably, not | 17:45 |
| pupnik | can n900 run from external power only (no internal battery)? | 17:46 |
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| alterego | Does it matter? | 17:46 |
| alterego | pupnik: no :P | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: charging/bat-mgmt is complex | 17:46 |
| alterego | You always need a battery inserted. | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: yes | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo cellmo | 17:47 |
| pupnik | so it would be possible to hot-swap battery | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hotswap | 17:47 |
| pupnik | wasn't there an article on that | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm... | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | ~hotswap is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 | 17:47 |
| infobot | MohammadAG: okay | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG to the rescue | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, too late | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 17:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | Awesome bar <# | 17:48 |
| MohammadAG | <3* | 17:48 |
| alterego | We need a decent 1t based MeeGo touch browser Mohammad ;) | 17:48 |
| alterego | 1t based ... | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | 1t? | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 17:49 |
| alterego | Freakin' hell | 17:49 |
| alterego | Qt .. | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, thought "WTF 1000kg??" | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | this browser works on Ubuntu and Maemo for now | 17:49 |
| alterego | Pressing meta rather than shift :) | 17:49 |
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| MohammadAG | so I guess it should work on MeeGo | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | but it lacks history | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | and no "http://" in URL bar handling | 17:50 |
| alterego | Well, it's not meego touch, which kis what we want really | 17:50 |
| pupnik | well guys it looks like you only have 30 seconds to swap, meaning you couldn't just switch to an external pack for power | 17:50 |
| MohammadAG | but it has portrait mode, ha! | 17:50 |
| pupnik | at least not with that particular method | 17:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 17:51 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'm referring to mine :P | 17:51 |
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| MohammadAG | pupnik, anything that works like an external charger and provides enough power should work | 17:51 |
| pupnik | but recharging the internal battery is wasteful | 17:53 |
| pupnik | nokia should realize what a cheap and easy win it could be to add hotswap battery capability | 17:54 |
| pupnik | or am i being stupid | 17:55 |
| pupnik | I've found that if something seems like a 'no-brainer' to me, I just haven't put enough thought into the question... | 17:56 |
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| alterego | I don't think you're being stupid, if Nokia are serious about this mobile computer thing then they should do it, after all I can do it with my laptop amirite? :D | 17:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: actually I operated my device some hours without battery | 18:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pupnik: you have a point - I hoptswap the battery in my eeepc | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hotswapping of battery just works. If I'd feel like it I'd create a fancy shellscript 3-liner to push charge end threshold to bare minimum and tickle bq24150 watchdog, so you could hotswap even more comfortable and without concerns about screenblanking and brightness. Anyway any 'external pack' seems needs at least 4V to work reliably during swap - see folloup posts on above mentioned thread | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: also keep in mind you CAN NOT operate modem without battery | 18:09 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: yea - that procedure for hotswapping just needs scripting | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are several hw reasons for this restriction, which aren't simple to work around in sw | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: basically that particular procedure is so complicated because it doesn't need scripting. As mentioned above a close controlling of bq24150 can remove a lot of the clumsy steps in this procedure. I refer to it as method-2 | 18:11 |
| jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: did you try it with one of those emergency charging packs instead of the wallcharger? | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work though | 18:12 |
| jpinx-eeepc | or what about while usb charging from a laptop? | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | please read the thread completely | 18:12 |
| jpinx-eeepc | ok ok :) | 18:12 |
| jpinx-eeepc | it's sunday night ;) | 18:13 |
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| lcuk_mob | set it to a small font and speed read :P | 18:14 |
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| pw | what's wrong that i can't connect to wlan networks on channel 13? in Europe? its that right? | 18:17 |
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| * jpinx-eeepc bookmarks these threads for reading when able to concentrate... | 18:17 | |
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| pw | i can't switch to my neighbours wlan ;) | 18:21 |
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| Xhinde | Hello people | 18:22 |
| Venemo_N810 | hi | 18:22 |
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| Xhinde | Someone used irreco in here before? | 18:22 |
| Venemo_N810 | yes, I did | 18:22 |
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| Xhinde | It never started up and then shut down for you, did it? | 18:22 |
| Venemo_N810 | for me, it worked okay | 18:23 |
| Venemo_N810 | that was a few months ago though | 18:23 |
| Xhinde | yeah, worked ok for me as well until a few secs ago | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | irrecor o| | 18:23 |
| Xhinde | wanted to start it, i see it briefly and then it shuts down | 18:24 |
| Venemo_N810 | and now my N900 is in repair so I can't help you | 18:24 |
| Xhinde | ah damn ^^ | 18:24 |
| Xhinde | Thanks for the offer though | 18:24 |
| Xhinde | DocScrutinizer, isnt it without r? | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | no problems here, no r, no updates lately | 18:25 |
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| xDaReaperx | What if there were an N900 with Amoled sceen ? | 18:25 |
| xDaReaperx | screen * | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | if pigs had wings... | 18:25 |
| Xhinde | Hmm, already tried restarting, reinstalling | 18:26 |
| xDaReaperx | would there be more clarity and less scratches ... | 18:26 |
| Xhinde | I am out of ideas :D | 18:26 |
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| Venemo_N810 | xDaReaperx, then that N900 would have a barely legible screen | 18:27 |
| xDaReaperx | ow.. | 18:27 |
| Venemo_N810 | xDaReaperx, amoled is not good outdoors | 18:27 |
| xDaReaperx | why less brightness ? | 18:28 |
| * RST38h yawns | 18:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer | uninstall, rm ~user/.irreco ~user/MyDocs/irreco /etc/lircd.conf -r /etc/lirc | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | Xhinde: ^^^ | 18:28 |
| Xhinde | Not via the fapman? | 18:29 |
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| phryk | Is there a guide to sdk installation for non-debian linuxes except suse? o_O | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Xhinde: also recall what you did yesterday, as 'I don't know what you did last... " err | 18:31 |
| Venemo_N810 | phryk, the GUI installer worked for me on Fedora | 18:32 |
| Xhinde | Uhm, my brain cant comprehend that sentence | 18:32 |
| Venemo_N810 | phryk, of course you'll have to disable SELinux | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Xhinde: rememebr what you did to make it stop work (sorry for me trying to be funny) | 18:32 |
| Xhinde | Ah, just didnt get it ;) | 18:33 |
| Xhinde | Well, i just played around with it | 18:33 |
| Xhinde | closed it, tried toopen it. bam | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | download new remote? | 18:33 |
| Xhinde | that too yeah | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably that remote cam with an undefined lirc backend | 18:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or other kinda glitch in config | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so remove the config files as suggested above | 18:35 |
| RST38h | wazZZZzd | 18:35 |
| Xhinde | kk :) | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | (sorry they are so scattered all over the place, not my invention) | 18:35 |
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| Venemo_N810 | does the N810 have IR too? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Xhinde: starting irreco from xterm gives hellofu debug output, so you might want to have a look | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N810: no | 18:38 |
| Venemo_N810 | DocScrutinizer, k | 18:39 |
| Venemo_N810 | okay, place your bets,,,, will the N95 disconnect me on the metro or not? | 18:39 |
| Xhinde | I cant even issue the last command in the terminal? Oo | 18:40 |
| Xhinde | ah | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | as it's been buggy, Xhinde | 18:40 |
| Xhinde | i will give it a shot after uninstall :) | 18:41 |
| Xhinde | I could kiss you DocScrutinizer ^^ | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Xhinde: rm -r ~user/.irreco ~user/MyDocs/irreco /etc/lircd.conf /etc/lirc | 18:42 |
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| Xhinde | All is reset | 18:42 |
| Xhinde | Now just to find the right settings for my TV ^^ | 18:42 |
| * DocScrutinizer recalls that little girl character in Charlie Brown | 18:43 | |
| Xhinde | The one who always takes the football away? | 18:43 |
| Xhinde | thanks :) | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | the one that shouts for iodine and hot water :-P | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (find the right) yeah, this database is an unmaintained mess | 18:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where every noob and idiot and troll can upload arbitrary files in realtime | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | much like extras-devel XP | 18:48 |
| Xhinde | hmm | 18:48 |
| Xhinde | i could make my own? ^^ | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 18:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I did, you'll find it under TV LG jr* | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (another idiot who uploaded his crap ;-D ) | 18:49 |
| Xhinde | Say what? Oo | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can take and edit it | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | or build your own from scratch | 18:50 |
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| Xhinde | yeah, cant i just scan my remote somehow? ^^ | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | the most important part is "download from LIRCdb" | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not on N900, read LIRC webpages for that | 18:54 |
| Xhinde | hmm | 18:56 |
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| lcuk_mob | DocScrutinizer, | 18:56 |
| lcuk_mob | i was offline and needed a manpage | 18:56 |
| lcuk_mob | 1:0 to you | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-D | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | apt-get install mandb-n900 | 18:57 |
| lcuk_mob | which part of offline did you not get :P | 18:57 |
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| lcuk_mob | and does that install the manpages for existing packages | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | fool, I'm suggesting to do it *now* | 18:58 |
| lcuk_mob | i am still offline | 18:58 |
| lcuk_mob | oh, wait :P | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, it comes with a default manpages pkg | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | as maemo pkgs never come with docs | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 18:59 |
| lcuk_mob | DocScrutinizer, which repo | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart docpurge | 18:59 |
| * infobot takes a big bite out of docpurge's jugular vein | 18:59 | |
| Xhinde | 17:54 DocScrutinizer • the most important part is "download from LIRCdb" <--- nothing on the list reminds of my model name :D | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Xhinde: check the model name of your remote control, not of your appliance | 19:00 |
| Xhinde | ... | 19:00 |
| Xhinde | Why didnt i think of that :) | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe because irreco database is free of such a sensible thinking | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk_mob: (repo) no idea | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe pkg is named slightly different, apt-cache search mandb will help | 19:02 |
| jpinx-eeepc | is there an application that will display the day/date in the toolbar as well as the time? | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 19:03 |
| lcuk_mob | man-db-n900 | 19:03 |
| jpinx-eeepc | :( | 19:03 |
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| * DocScrutinizer throws a bag of cookies over to MohammadAG51, for listening to the Doc and building mandb | 19:05 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51 just wanted men on his n900 :P | 19:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer dreams of a community repo with all the right packages in it | 19:07 | |
| lcuk | thats called maemo extras :P | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA | 19:07 |
| lcuk | but for other stuff, yeah something should hopefully emerge | 19:07 |
| xDaReaperx | LOL | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | every package in that awesome repo would come with a *-doc package, and several would also have a *-debug. You could do a SSU and get MHD, and hostmode, and whatnot, all without giving it a brain | 19:09 |
| oshin | fabien is probably laughing somewhere as we are promoting his neat software endlessly | 19:09 |
| RST38h | lcuk moo | 19:10 |
| lcuk | \o RST38h | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | oshin: who's fabien? | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's 'his software'? | 19:10 |
| oshin | DocScrutinizer, stellariumobile | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 19:10 |
| RST38h | ah that....The Drama! | 19:10 |
| * oshin involved, too bad. | 19:11 | |
| DocScrutinizer | orrery FTW | 19:11 |
| oshin | and for the battery | 19:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmm how do i join 2 stringlists in c++ into one string? (ie concatenate?) | 19:11 |
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| oshin | DocScrutinizer, did you try stellarium mobile? | 19:12 |
| RST38h | what is a stringlist? | 19:12 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, duct tape class | 19:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | yay! | 19:12 |
| oshin | i love orrery but i think it's quite different purpose. | 19:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 19:12 |
| oshin | like this is more for entertainment. | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, kathy smiled at you and had nothing other than kind words about you yesterday :) | 19:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/cLzDJuG3 - basically i am doing that twice, so want to join the variables :) | 19:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | awwww, Kathy's lovely :) :) | 19:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | wasn't hard to spot her at the meetup even though i had no idea what she looked like lol | 19:13 |
| lcuk | it mightv been made more difficult | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | Where can i download Indian language packs ? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | had there been anything tall in the way | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | like is there Hindi Language ? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | like a shoe box or something :P | 19:14 |
| xDaReaperx | or some other | 19:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol very very true! | 19:14 |
| RST38h | Noob: this is not C++, this is Qt | 19:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh meh | 19:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | tis all the same to me | 19:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | (waits for abuse) | 19:15 |
| lcuk | why wait? just go and tell mrs Noobmonk3y you won't do the dishes :P | 19:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol lcuk!! hehehe | 19:15 |
| RST38h | Noob: You can traverse your QStringList with a loop, adding all elements to a single QString | 19:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooo that sounds clever RST38h :) | 19:16 |
| RST38h | Noob: This requires you to understand what "loop", "traverse", and "add" is, of course | 19:16 |
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| * Noobmonk3y thinks i got it hold on | 19:16 | |
| phryk | the gui script for skd installation tells me i wouldn't have python-qt4 | 19:17 |
| phryk | which i just installed | 19:17 |
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| phryk | ah found the problem | 19:19 |
| phryk | at least one… | 19:19 |
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| D-man | Could anyone compile this source for N900 for me? This sdk is just too much for me. http://eol.ovh.org/winexe/winexe-source-071026.tar.bz2 | 19:23 |
| dylan | so, I'm having the "facebrick pops up a modal dialog". Is there a way of booting the n900 with just a terminal or something so I can apt-get remove facebrick? | 19:24 |
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| PontusOhman | How long will it take to extract the Easy Debian package?! An hour or more? | 19:24 |
| dylan | I tried ctrl-shift + x, but the facebrick modal intercepts keyboard input. :( | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | dylan, eek! | 19:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | PontusOhman: took me 305 mins ish | 19:25 |
| lcuk | is your wifi enabled at this point | 19:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | 35* | 19:25 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 19:25 |
| dylan | it happens on boot, before wifi can be turned on | 19:25 |
| dylan | I can get a terminal open, but there's not enough time to type anything before the modal starts | 19:26 |
| dylan | Is there a way of getting at the rootfs? XD | 19:26 |
| lcuk | technically, (and I am not sure how effective this may be) would it be possible to install meego on the external mmc, boot it (by flashing a kernel) | 19:26 |
| lcuk | then from within meego, mount the normal maemo rootfs and alter/remove the file | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | (purely hypothetical) | 19:26 |
| PontusOhman | Noobmonk3y: Ahhhh... Mine is now 35 min so will see whats happens next :p | 19:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) :) | 19:27 |
| PontusOhman | Noobmonk3y: Thx homie | 19:27 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe, lol - it does seem to randomly differ for people though - some have said up to an hour | 19:27 |
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| phryk | Can one of you tell me which device in /dev the gsm device is? | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dylan: powerbutton menu ->kill current task ? | 19:36 |
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| xDaReaperx | a duck ate my N900 what do i do ? | 19:51 |
| trumee | xDaReaperx: eat the duck. lol | 19:52 |
| xDaReaperx | ok | 19:52 |
| Venemo_N810 | xDaReaperx, kill it, take n900 out | 19:55 |
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| Venemo_N810 | lol | 19:56 |
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| oshin | can duck eat n900? | 20:02 |
| oshin | big duck? | 20:02 |
| * oshin carefully typed. | 20:02 | |
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| Venemo_N810 | oshin, I think he was joking | 20:03 |
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| Venemo_N810 | ~seen MohammadAG51 | 20:04 |
| infobot | mohammadag51 is currently on #maemo (2d 3h 58m 18s) #meego (2d 3h 58m 18s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 4h 58m, last said: 'alterego, i released the update yesterday'. | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: now what alarm is due for that? | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | phryk: none. There's phonet0 and errr gprs0(?) in ifconfig | 20:08 |
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| Moodie | hmmm | 20:11 |
| Moodie | does /home/user use NFS in any way? :o | 20:12 |
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| Moodie | i get ls: ./MyDocs: Stale NFS file handle | 20:12 |
| Moodie | in /home/user | 20:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | the NFS is a lie. | 20:13 |
| Moodie | looks like it | 20:13 |
| Moodie | never saw any nfs | 20:13 |
| Moodie | FS borked? | 20:13 |
| SpeedEvil | It may mean the fs has been mounted/unmounted from that dir | 20:13 |
| Moodie | nea it gives it on files too | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | stale NFS is fs drives ultimate ratio error msg when the fs is fubar | 20:14 |
| Moodie | ls: ./stopdebian.sh: Stale NFS file handle | 20:14 |
| Moodie | mk | 20:14 |
| Moodie | awesome:P | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | try to fsck.vfat it | 20:14 |
| Moodie | it's vfat? | 20:15 |
| Moodie | seems to be ext3 | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err sorry, yes | 20:15 |
| Moodie | tried that, only that doesn't work when apps are running ;) but yeah. just wanted to be sure before i moved on. | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | on vfat there's no such thing like NFS inodes anyway | 20:15 |
| Moodie | hmmm | 20:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | BUG: no fsck of any kind involved in system init, no matter if fs is clean, can mount without problems, or has gone years without checking | 20:22 |
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| Moodie | any way to mount this thing on a host machine as flash disk? | 20:24 |
| Moodie | (using usb?) | 20:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | Venemo_N810, ? | 20:26 |
| Venemo_N810 | hi | 20:27 |
| Venemo_N810 | I pm'd you | 20:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | 100s lag, so excuse me | 20:27 |
| Venemo_N810 | np | 20:27 |
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| Venemo_N810 | MohammadAG51, I asked, were you able to solve the qt resources issue? | 20:29 |
| alterego | I think he sorted everything out in the end, did an updated release yesterday | 20:31 |
| alterego | Have you looked much into my code? | 20:31 |
| Venemo_N810 | not much, but I have looked into it | 20:31 |
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| alterego | There's a bug in my fullscreen toggle and menu buttons that doesn't show the background opacity properly. | 20:32 |
| alterego | Not really had a chance to look into it. | 20:32 |
| Venemo_N810 | okay | 20:34 |
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| Venemo_N810 | well, as my N900 is at repair, I haven't really done any development for it lately | 20:35 |
| Venemo_N810 | but when I get it back, I'll try your stufff | 20:35 |
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| alterego | oh yeah forgot you're without at the moment :( | 20:37 |
| alterego | I plan to setup scratchbox with Qt Creator integration tomorrow, when I've clean installed ubuntu 10.10 | 20:37 |
| Venemo_N810 | :) | 20:39 |
| Venemo_N810 | anyways, I have to go now | 20:40 |
| Venemo_N810 | goodbye guys :) | 20:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GRRRR | 20:44 |
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| * DocScrutinizer encounters massive telnet connect tries from Turkey and Egypt (mainly) | 20:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | timely correlated bursts from several IPs. Looks like a botnet | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | also some HINET-IP.hinet.net - our wellknown spammers in Taiwan | 20:47 |
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| Robotnixon | hey is there anyway to print from the n900 if I have a wifi printer?? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | no printing function in n900 standard os :/ | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think there's cups | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | Venemo_N810, yeah, forgot :/images/ at the start (even when prefixed) | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: s/os/apps/ | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | 1k second lag | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: true | 20:50 |
| Robotnixon | hmm interesting | 20:51 |
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| trip0 | anyone have any ideas why my qt webkit view thingy appears with black background | 21:04 |
| trip0 | i wonder if that is the qt system theme... | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | handset ux? | 21:04 |
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| trip0 | nah, this is maemo | 21:07 |
| alterego | Heh, | 21:08 |
| trip0 | i'm playing with a qml app on maemo | 21:08 |
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| alterego | Qml is fun :) | 21:10 |
| trip0 | ahh, passing -style=qt to qmlviewer fixed it | 21:11 |
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| VladNistor | Moodie, you can use http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd to mount everything you ever wanted :) | 21:15 |
| VladNistor | (on a host machine) | 21:15 |
| trip0 | passing -opengl to qmlviewer makes everything crawl | 21:17 |
| trip0 | well, make qml crawl | 21:17 |
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| alterego | trip0: yeah, don't do it :P | 21:18 |
| tybollt | Stskeeps: what is up in meego land recently? | 21:19 |
| alterego | I don't think you need to anyway, should already be composited | 21:19 |
| trip0 | if i run without, will it be hardware accelerated? | 21:19 |
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| alterego | I believe so, it certainly performs well enough regardless. | 21:20 |
| alterego | It looks better too. | 21:20 |
| alterego | antialiasing seems better for some reason. | 21:21 |
| trip0 | true | 21:21 |
| trip0 | tybollt, meego 1.1 should be out next week | 21:22 |
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| alterego | woo | 21:24 |
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| oshin | anyone know app that can have blocks of commandline and can have parameter adjust, assign icons for blocks or a single invocation. collecting them as tools? | 21:24 |
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| alterego | oshin: I have no idea what you mean :) | 21:25 |
| alterego | By blocks do you mean a script? | 21:25 |
| oshin | hehe, i know i need to rephrase that. | 21:25 |
| alterego | You're free to write scripts and write a .desktop file to make that script runnable from the applications menu | 21:26 |
| oshin | alterego, like, some gui tools that can help you write some scripts | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: release on wednesday.. | 21:26 |
| oshin | encapsulate a script into a block, with assigned icon, these blocks can be shared among users. | 21:26 |
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| oshin | like.. [block to find all images] -> [block to send a collection of file to my machine] | 21:27 |
| oshin | so user can visually program a script themselves w/o getting into terminal | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | oshin: you may want to see http://maemo.org/packages/view/queen-beecon/ | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | though it does not do tht | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | VladNistor: thanks for the useful pointer :-D | 21:28 |
| oshin | SpeedEvil, yeh, i like that. | 21:28 |
| alterego | tmo search is so crap :( | 21:28 |
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| oshin | SpeedEvil, I am thinking if I want to start one, something that can do that and also a front end to graphicsmagick. | 21:29 |
| oshin | so user can use it to manipulate their photos.. sorta.. | 21:29 |
| dylan | lcuk: okay, so I'll fash my phone with the meego kernel, boot from mmc, somehow remove facebrick, then how do I get the maemo5 kernel back? | 21:29 |
| dylan | *flash. | 21:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | oshin: zenity comes to mind | 21:29 |
| VladNistor | :) my pleasure | 21:29 |
| * oshin googles zenity | 21:30 | |
| alterego | dylan: why flash? you can just get the N900 to boot the kernel without replacing any maemo bits | 21:30 |
| dylan | only because the howto said to. | 21:30 |
| alterego | Oh :/ | 21:30 |
| alterego | Well, wrong howto : | 21:30 |
| dylan | I'm not at all interested in meego, I just want to unbrick my phone. | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | dylan: see VladNistor's link!! | 21:31 |
| alterego | dd image to mmc | 21:31 |
| oshin | DocScrutinizer, may be that and something like Blender's node, you can have node represent a command line, do one thing, and trigger sibling nodes through a DAG | 21:31 |
| oshin | a graph | 21:31 |
| alterego | then flasher-3.5 -l -b -k kernel | 21:31 |
| VladNistor | link is http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 21:31 |
| oshin | and you can collapse a collection of nodes into one tool. | 21:31 |
| oshin | and you can further treat a tool as node. | 21:32 |
| trip0 | alterego, doesn't he want -f instead of -l ? or does he not want to perminantly unbrick his phone? | 21:32 |
| oshin | good bad idea? | 21:32 |
| alterego | trip0: I dunno, | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: he wants to run fsck on /home | 21:33 |
| oshin | a find node wrapper can take a few inputs and arrange them for gnu find command. | 21:33 |
| * Noobmonk3y meh's | 21:34 | |
| dylan | thanks a lot. :) | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: so what VladNistor came up with is *exactly* what dylan needs | 21:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals: alive? | 21:34 |
| dylan | well, very nearly. | 21:34 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: aye | 21:34 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: playing wow thou so keep highlighting me :p | 21:35 |
| oshin | i think it's like os x automator | 21:35 |
| dylan | What would be best would be mounting it to an arm vm so I could chroot into my phone's rootfs and apt-get remove facebrick | 21:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooo wow, just thought i'd say hi! as i haven't properly done it in w while! | 21:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooo ahhhhh wow! | 21:35 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals, surely if i keep highlighting you i will pi$$ you off, and you will screw up wow? | 21:35 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: yeah i was clean for 18 months but now im hooked again :p | 21:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dylan: it's not optimum (which would be a rescue shell builtin to maemo ala 'init -s'), but it's comprehensive, nondestructive, and clearly described how to do it | 21:36 |
| VladNistor | I found that link on the wiki about repartitioning the internal memory, so credit goes to the wiki writer :) | 21:37 |
| VladNistor | there is the T option for recovery terminal, i've never used it though | 21:38 |
| oshin | anyone know i could do well with qt mobile/javascript binding? | 21:38 |
| oshin | like if anyone could do well. | 21:38 |
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| oshin | i don't do python | 21:38 |
| trip0 | use qml? | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | dylan: (apt-get remove) ops, so now I mixed up your problem with the fubar ext3 fs "stale NFS" | 21:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry | 21:39 |
| oshin | trip0, thanks, looks good | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | dylan: didn't the sugested powerbutton-menu work for killing of "current task" which happens to be facebrick? | 21:40 |
| dylan | DocScrutinizer: it's a modal dialog and thus not a "current task" | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 21:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui 'kill current task' terminates the process | 21:41 |
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| dylan | it does not see facebrick | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | incl all modal and whatnot windows, requesters etc | 21:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 21:41 |
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| dylan | if I start terminal (ctrl-shift-x) | 21:41 |
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| dylan | then it can kill current task (= terminal) | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 21:42 |
| dylan | even though I can't really see the terminal or interact with it | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | so pondered starting facebrick nstead? | 21:42 |
| trip0 | how do i force an app into portrait mode? | 21:42 |
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| dylan | DocScrutinizer: is there a way to do that without being able to see or do anything? | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | WM_X-MAEMO-FOO-ORIENTATION-PORTRAIT=true | 21:43 |
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| trip0 | DocScrutinizer, in the desktop file | 21:43 |
| trip0 | ? | 21:43 |
| trip0 | or is that a enironment varable? | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | dylan: not really, your best bet is to use the above intitrd and log in via USB terminal to a normal shell. There you can do whatever apt-blah you want | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or kill processes, whatever | 21:44 |
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| Khertan_Khrowser | Hi ! | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: that'S a QObject property (yes, it's incorrect statement - I'm no Qt devel) | 21:45 |
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| Khertan_Khrowser | It s funny to see that QtWebkit seems faster than Microb | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: I dunno if there's any way to force an app into portrait from .desktop or the like | 21:45 |
| Khertan_Khrowser | and it s support well undernet webchat | 21:46 |
| dylan | DocScrutinizer: USB terminal? | 21:46 |
| trip0 | Khertan_Khrowser, it's not surprising that qtwebkit is faster than microb being based on mozilla | 21:46 |
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| Khertan_Khrowser | trip0: mozilla is a fast engine too | 21:47 |
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| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG = Guest93339 ... freakydeaky | 21:47 |
| trip0 | not as fast though | 21:47 |
| trip0 | in fact, firefox is a pig | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | dylan: >> | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Start recovery terminal (T) | 21:47 |
| trip0 | i stopped using it when chromium came out | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Contains busybox functionality | 21:47 |
| dylan | hrm | 21:48 |
| dylan | I can't see anything on the screen | 21:48 |
| dylan | it's like the brightness is at 0 | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | can you plug it into the tv? | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | ;) | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | and use the tv out : | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: meh | 21:48 |
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| dylan | can I unplug it from usb now? | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh meh? | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: can you stick your finger into the mains outlet? | 21:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | did i just say something clever? or should i go back to sleep? | 21:48 |
| oshin | i think firefox is faster when more pages were open? | 21:49 |
| oshin | webkit went downhill over multiple tabs in my past experience. | 21:49 |
| Khertan_Khrowser | oshin firefox is faster when you want to block ads :) | 21:49 |
| VladNistor-mob | dylan, unless you mounted your memory on the pc you should be able to unplug, yes | 21:49 |
| oshin | :) | 21:49 |
| VladNistor-mob | otherwise unmount and then unplug | 21:50 |
| trip0 | webkit has nothing to do with tabs | 21:50 |
| trip0 | it's a webkit vs gecko question | 21:50 |
| oshin | tabs means many pages open at once | 21:50 |
| trip0 | that's a browser detail, not a rendering engine detail | 21:50 |
| * VladNistor-mob uses chrome, likes it beter than gecko | 21:51 | |
| oshin | if the engine manage memory right or share mem better. | 21:51 |
| VladNistor-mob | i mean webkit | 21:51 |
| oshin | or reused preallocated resource. | 21:51 |
| oshin | reuse* | 21:51 |
| trip0 | oshin, maybe, but again, webkit has no concept of tabs so sharing is out of the question | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | dylan: check initscripts/events & xsession to find where facebrick gets started | 21:51 |
| trip0 | and it's up to the implementation to cache stuff | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | edit | 21:52 |
| oshin | trip0, it's not a tab i meant | 21:52 |
| oshin | but threads | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | start up maemo without facebrick modal madness | 21:52 |
| dylan | DocScrutinizer: I just moved the executable | 21:52 |
| dylan | hoping that works | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P should work | 21:52 |
| trip0 | at any rate, chromium is loads faster than firefox for me... regardless of how many tabs i have open. | 21:53 |
| trip0 | i don't care much about memory on my desktop cuz I have loads of that | 21:53 |
| dylan | long term, chrome uses less memory for me. | 21:53 |
| oshin | webkit also load much faster than firefox | 21:53 |
| oshin | well, since chromium use a forked | 21:53 |
| dylan | I used to have a cronjob to kill -9 firefox every night at 4am, so that it would be "fast" the next day | 21:53 |
| trip0 | oshin, true | 21:54 |
| dylan | woo! I have my phone back | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 21:54 |
| VladNistor-mob | gald to hear that :P | 21:56 |
| VladNistor-mob | glad i mean :P | 21:56 |
| dylan | Thanks, ValdNistor. ;) | 21:57 |
| RST38h | http://www.theonion.com/video/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece-of-shit-that-doesnt,14309/ | 21:57 |
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| oshin | what does maemo-select-menu-location do? | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | nothing on m5 it seems | 22:03 |
| oshin | MohammadAG51, I installed graphicsmagick from biadlo and i need to get rid of that from post-install | 22:03 |
| oshin | should that be safe? | 22:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | biadlo? | 22:03 |
| oshin | diablo* | 22:03 |
| oshin | sorry. | 22:03 |
| RST38h | nice typo though | 22:04 |
| oshin | graphics magick, you can convert images, manipulate, mix 2 images etc etc with it. | 22:04 |
| oshin | hehe | 22:04 |
| oshin | at command line | 22:04 |
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| oshin | very good tool no idea why nobody want to port it. | 22:05 |
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| MohammadAG51 | oshin, it's available for diablo and not fremantle? | 22:07 |
| oshin | MohammadAG51, just diablo, no fremantle. | 22:07 |
| xxtjaxx | It appears that mmcblk0 is a 3 partition flash disk internal to the n900 which shows me I/O errors all the time breaking applications and breaking normal working with the device did anybody of you see this before? | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | oshin, it might only need compilation | 22:07 |
| oshin | but installation is just fine, just have to remove the line. the old package seems to have a few object code archive and headers around. | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | xxtjaxx, defective device | 22:08 |
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| oshin | no use but good for development. | 22:08 |
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| oshin | MohammadAG51, i think so. I never build a package though. | 22:08 |
| oshin | like not in 5 years | 22:08 |
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| xxtjaxx | MohammadAG51: Its still in guarentee so getting it replaced will be a no-brainer right? | 22:09 |
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| MohammadAG51 | xxtjaxx, yep, should be done on the spot | 22:09 |
| xxtjaxx | nice | 22:10 |
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| xxtjaxx | Thanks and have a good evening folks! | 22:11 |
| pw | oh no | 22:11 |
| * oshin digs qml | 22:11 | |
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| pw | i think i have a problem with python | 22:11 |
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| pw | shit :( | 22:11 |
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| oshin | anyone want to help me with a front end for graphics magick and other commandline tools that will be done with qml are welcome | 22:12 |
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| pw | oshin: for mutt? ;) | 22:12 |
| pw | i'm onboard :> | 22:12 |
| oshin | pw, sorry i don't read mail :) | 22:12 |
| oshin | mutt the mail client right? | 22:13 |
| pw | yes | 22:13 |
| oshin | i used that long time ago | 22:13 |
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| oshin | i am starting qml a couple minute ago want to do app that can encapsulate a command line tool as a reusable gui node block that can be put in a DAGraph | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51_ | DocScrutinizer, can you disconnect my znc? | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51_ | pull the plug on it | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, np. Why? | 22:14 |
| pw | i like znc ;) | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51_ | It's lagging a lot, i've missed a lot of PMs today | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51_ | -'ve | 22:14 |
| MohammadAG51_ | so I got a closer one | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG51_ | lag is between me and your server, not me and freenode | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you like to permanently cancel that account? | 22:15 |
| MohammadAG51_ | either that, or temporarly disable it | 22:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | can't you simply log out? | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG51_ | hmm, how? | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG51_ | i can't query *status, it doesn't reply | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, *status help | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG51_ | yeah, too much lag | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, I'll comment out your account and restart it | 22:17 |
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| pw | and i can't transmit or receive mms on the n900 | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG51_ | i want to shoot the guy who made floodbot | 22:17 |
| nox- | moin | 22:17 |
| pw | hi | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG51_ | <FloodBot1> MohammadAG51, you've changed your nickname, so I'll have to ask again: How much is 2 plus 1 (2+1)? | 22:17 |
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| MohammadAG51_ | <MohammadAG51> 3 you stupid bot, I'm cloaked | 22:18 |
| pw | oshin: use you mms? ;) | 22:18 |
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| pw | okay nice i can see errors http://coffee-addicts.org/fmms.log | 22:20 |
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| oshin | pw, mms? | 22:21 |
| pw | oshin: 'multi media messages' with fmms? | 22:21 |
| oshin | pw, I don't know, I mplayer mms://something eventually | 22:21 |
| pw | ;) | 22:21 |
| oshin | i don't know much about this broadcasting thing. | 22:21 |
| pw | that's not the same :D | 22:22 |
| oshin | heheh i see | 22:22 |
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| frals | pw: you have the wrong APN in settings | 22:22 |
| oshin | ah | 22:22 |
| oshin | mms | 22:22 |
| oshin | i know it now | 22:22 |
| frals | pw: it shouldnt be the name of the access point but the actually access point name.. check wiki.maemo.org/MMS | 22:23 |
| oshin | like sms | 22:23 |
| oshin | no, i dont use it. | 22:23 |
| oshin | it's late, i just didn't have that in my head for some reasons | 22:23 |
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| oshin | i used to use it when i was using ericsson t68 | 22:24 |
| oshin | people are still using that? | 22:24 |
| frals | apparently | 22:24 |
| oshin | cool | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51_: your lag is probably caused by some mossad biological NAT/FW falen asleep, so deep packet inspection to hetzner IPs is laggy | 22:24 |
| oshin | i thought push mail should kill it | 22:24 |
| frals | have about 700k downloads of fmms so i recon someone uses it still | 22:24 |
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| MohammadAG51_ | LOL | 22:24 |
| pw | frals: hmm | 22:25 |
| oshin | lol | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | frals: do you have fmms CC'ing you on all incoming mms? | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:25 |
| * oshin checks fmms | 22:26 | |
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| frals | Stskeeps: sccch! ;) | 22:26 |
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| pw | frals: i can't see the fault | 22:30 |
| frals | pw: You have: "Access point name: T-Mobile MMS", you should have: "Access Point Name: mms.t-d1.de", see http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#T-Mobile_Germany_.28Also_Congstar.29 | 22:31 |
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| pw | frals: ah okay, now i have 'mms.t-d1.de' try to success | 22:36 |
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| pw | 'downloading mms...' | 22:37 |
| pw | or waiting for timeout :) | 22:38 |
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| lcuk | RevdKathy, not really here, but hiya \o | 22:39 |
| RevdKathy | Hiya! | 22:40 |
| * lcuk is v tired after long sleep last night | 22:40 | |
| RevdKathy | Now you're just trying to make people gossip! Not my fault if you didn't sleep! | 22:41 |
| lcuk | khertans bugtracker never accepted any of hte hundred bugs we attempted this morning | 22:41 |
| RevdKathy | Not surprised. It can't do basic arithmatic! | 22:41 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:41 |
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| RevdKathy | Goodnight all | 22:49 |
| pw | good night RevdKathy :) | 22:49 |
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| RevdKathy | :) | 22:50 |
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| mavhc | my n810 OS is bust, I was going to install onto an SD card anyway, can I do that straight from windows/linux? | 22:52 |
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| pw | frals: nice i can send me a mms and i became a 'push | 22:59 |
| pw | ' | 22:59 |
| pw | but it downloads now over 10minutes | 22:59 |
| lcuk | pw, isnt that related to the connection | 22:59 |
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| pw | to send a mms you need more than >5minutes | 23:20 |
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| pupnik | Wikileaks data on IED attacks in afghanistan mapped to 1:30 video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlfQQnH6_Cc | 23:26 |
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| pw | works slowly but it works | 23:47 |
| pw | hm delete old mms there i can't receive... | 23:49 |
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