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| intelinsider | fmms is strange :| | 00:31 |
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| erani | when talking about fmms | 00:47 |
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| lucchini | hey guys i got some stuck pixels and they are white, acording to google there is a way to fix them but i cant find a way for maemo | 01:06 |
| lucchini | any app for n900? | 01:07 |
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| jacekowski | lucchini: all dead pixel fixes are like homeopathic drugs | 01:20 |
| jacekowski | lucchini: some claim that it works but no real scientific evidence | 01:21 |
| alterego | right bedtime, g'night folks | 01:22 |
| lucchini | i readed that but they say when its white the chance is higher then when they are black | 01:23 |
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| nidO | stuck pixels can potentially be fixed depending on the reason for the stick. dead pixels are ofc dead, and cant | 01:25 |
| lucchini | well i dont know if its dead or stuck | 01:25 |
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| lucchini | they say black is amalufunction transistor w/e | 01:26 |
| lucchini | and as for white it may be stuck | 01:26 |
| lucchini | i just dont want to wait another 4 weeks for repair | 01:27 |
| lucchini | nokia repairs sux | 01:27 |
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| lucchini | it took me 3 rma's befor they finaly gamve me a other device | 01:27 |
| lucchini | they dont test if it work when they fixed it | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | lucchini: white is a malfunction as well | 01:28 |
| lucchini | my 1st devisce kept rebooting | 01:28 |
| lucchini | itis?? | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | that's user problem | 01:29 |
| lucchini | humm | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | reboot loop | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | you just have to flash it | 01:29 |
| lucchini | no this is a replacement | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | it's well known thing that if you break OS it will just go into endless reboot loop draining battery | 01:29 |
| lucchini | flashing didnt help nokia care did that twice | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | untill it's so flat that you can't flash it | 01:29 |
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| lucchini | it was like that when i bought it | 01:30 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 01:30 |
| lucchini | so aftr 3 rma nokia desided to replace the devisce | 01:30 |
| lucchini | 3x4weeks is alot | 01:31 |
| lucchini | it all goes from the waranty | 01:31 |
| lucchini | dont want to send it again | 01:31 |
| lucchini | cuz i dont have a spare eighter | 01:32 |
| jacekowski | iirc they have to replace/fix it within 14 days | 01:32 |
| ieatlint | that's confusing... there's a maemo6 bluez plugin? | 01:32 |
| lucchini | maby with youre country but here at the netherlands they wait til the truck is full | 01:33 |
| lucchini | then they send it | 01:33 |
| lucchini | for repair | 01:33 |
| lucchini | thats how nokia care is here | 01:33 |
| lucchini | normaly they can replace a display but this time not | 01:34 |
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| lucchini | well for most p.hones they can replace it within an hour | 01:34 |
| lucchini | maby n900 is just to rare for them | 01:35 |
| lucchini | but anyways i'd like to try out a pixel fixer first | 01:36 |
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| ieatlint | i hear snake oil can fix dead pixels | 01:40 |
| ieatlint | haven't tried it myself, but have several friends who've had good luck with it | 01:40 |
| lucchini | snake oil? | 01:41 |
| ieatlint | yeah, google it... it fixes all sorts of things | 01:42 |
| lucchini | ill try | 01:42 |
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| lucchini | uhm how do i look it up | 01:43 |
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| jsharper | arg my n900's microphone just died after 11 months | 02:13 |
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| jsharper | plz tell me nokia usa's warr repair has a fast turnaround | 02:13 |
| nox- | didnt someone here just say he had to wait 4 weeks, three times? | 02:14 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 02:14 |
| jsharper | i think he was not in usa | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | jsharper, dunno, test them, let everyone know how it goes | 02:15 |
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| jsharper | will do | 02:15 |
| jsharper | maybe ill get it back the day PR 1.3 or meego for n900 ships or something | 02:16 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh. | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | My N900 is in for repairs. Every day I have the feeling 1.3 will happen without me | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | I think you'll have plenty of the same | 02:18 |
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| javispedro | first time ever I see the n900 enter emergency charging mode | 03:10 |
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| Robot101 | what's emergency charging mode? | 03:11 |
| javispedro | the charging chip feature where it will charge even when voltage is so low it can't boot | 03:11 |
| Robot101 | some kind of crazy slow trickle charge? | 03:11 |
| javispedro | yep, up to a certain threshold. then it boots and proceeds to normal charge | 03:12 |
| javispedro | while it's doing this, led is steady yellow (not blinking) and power button does nothing | 03:12 |
| Robot101 | fun - is your battery dying or something? | 03:12 |
| nox- | so you sucked you battery `more empty' that it should have been? | 03:12 |
| nox- | than it... | 03:13 |
| javispedro | the issue (i guess) is that it just died on me (after a lot of low bat warnings), and I just quickly plugged it into the wal | 03:13 |
| javispedro | *wall charger | 03:13 |
| nox- | ah | 03:13 |
| javispedro | usually previous times it died on me I let it rest for a while, and seems the battery will recover some small charge.. | 03:14 |
| javispedro | (for a while = commute time, etc.) | 03:14 |
| nox- | aah | 03:14 |
| javispedro | nevertheless -- battery is clearly starting to show some age :( | 03:15 |
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| javispedro | it booted already :) | 03:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbat-recover | 05:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover | 05:08 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 05:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Robot101: emergency recover charging is an autonomous (non sw controlled) charging mode of bq24150 chip, where fastcharger detection is done in hw by 1707 USB PHY chip, and bq24150 is set to absolutely 'safe' power-on defaults like max 3.6V cell charging voltage and some rather low current limit. bq24150 also directly switches on red and green indicator LED to signil this mode with a steady amber ind light | 05:14 |
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| javispedro | wow | 05:15 |
| javispedro | archlinux packaged a software of mine even before I started making tarballs or a homepage =) | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 05:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for twinklephone sometimes bugreports for a new version came in before Michel managed to even announce it | 05:17 |
| javispedro | heh :) | 05:17 |
| javispedro | "benefits" of doing scm in public | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's obviously people actively polling the downloads page for new versions 4 times a day :-) | 05:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nana, no scm | 05:19 |
| javispedro | nighties? | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Michel always dumped a full tarball to the dl page | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | when he had finished preparing a new version | 05:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.twinklephone.com/download | 05:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | taadaaa, 400 karma :-D :-P | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever it's worth for XP | 05:36 |
| javispedro | these days... | 05:36 |
| javispedro | you get free flash player 10! | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o/ | 05:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though right now, for me that looks more like \o_ | 05:40 |
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| javispedro | a reason to suicide: error: cannot run /usr/bin/vim: No such file or directory | 05:40 |
| * DocScrutinizer wanders off to do his shoulder stretching | 05:41 | |
| javispedro | ahh, perl upgrade or sth on my behind. how nice. | 05:41 |
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| * javispedro out too, cya. | 05:41 | |
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| Termana | It would only be worth of suicide if it said - error: cannot run /usr/bin/emacs: No such file or directory | 05:42 |
| Termana | worthy* | 05:43 |
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| xDaReaperx | Hi | 06:03 |
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| Danu | guys , i dont get my dummy connection appeared when N900 asks to choose an internet connection ? what could be the reason | 08:43 |
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| strcpy | Hi . I'm faced with a problem building armel packages in scratchbox. Not sure what`s the root of issue , but, dpkg-buildpackage generated deb. files contains no binary, while code compiles fine both for x86/ARM | 08:55 |
| strcpy | any hint where should I look for mistakes? | 08:56 |
| DangerMaus | anyone know what the pkg name is for the ap that makes the phone buttons shily? i saw it last week but didnt have the phone on me at the time to snag it? | 08:57 |
| DangerMaus | *shiny | 08:57 |
| DangerMaus | or like theme for the phone dialer | 08:58 |
| DangerMaus | or what area it would be under i have been looking on and aff allday | 08:59 |
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| strcpy | DangerMaus, do you have any comments on my issue? | 09:00 |
| DangerMaus | issue | 09:01 |
| DangerMaus | hmmm | 09:01 |
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| strcpy | generated .deb contains just doc , no binary. | 09:01 |
| DangerMaus | no havent played that deeply yet | 09:01 |
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| laust | hi everyone | 09:51 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm, got a question for anyone that knows: I have a script for the N900 that runs in a maemo-based ramdisk chroot. X is not running, as is almost anything else. Is there some sort of stand-alone terminal "client" that I can run to provide the user access to a shell? | 11:37 |
| RobbieThe1st | Like how desktop linux(including Debian) provide a BusyBox rescue shell in the kernel that provides a user-accessable terminal... I know I can run SSH, or just run commands directly in a shell-script, but is there any way to get a proper prompt/terminal etc.? | 11:39 |
| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps - Might you have an idea? | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | you should look at the meego n900 initrd | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 11:40 |
| RobbieThe1st | Thanks | 11:41 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: Ok, one small question. I have the "initrd.img-rescue-*ver*-n900" file, but I can't figure out how to extract it. It doesn't seem to be a gzip or gzip-cpio file..? | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | rpm2cpio *.rpm | cpio -id | 11:52 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: Yea, I already got the file(initrd.img) out of the rpm package... But I want to extract -that- file | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | should be a cpio | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | oh wait | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's a cramfs | 11:58 |
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| RobbieThe1st | TY | 11:59 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ... That solves that, then. A simple "/bin/sh" ought to do the trick | 12:02 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Hm.... This makes things complicated. I'm sure it'd work fine with a framebuffer kernel... But I don't have one of those... Hm... | 12:10 |
| psycho_oreos | shouldn't be hard to make a framebuffer kernel :) | 12:11 |
| RobbieThe1st | No, it's not. But the whole purpose of my program is to work on "stock" N900s... asking everyone to install a framebuffer kernel seems overkill | 12:12 |
| ieatlint | except he's running a chroot environment | 12:12 |
| ieatlint | plus a framebuffer could push the kernel size too big | 12:12 |
| ieatlint | a 2mb limit as i understnad | 12:12 |
| RobbieThe1st | kernel's fine - There's already a good framebuffer kernel out there, which works. In my case though, I'm using bootmenu-n900 to launch a script which copies important files to a ramdisk, then chroots into that | 12:13 |
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| ieatlint | i'm curious though.. if you're not entering x, and just want a shell, you shouldn't need anything graphical | 12:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Correct | 12:14 |
| RobbieThe1st | Currently, I'm using the text2screen application to interface with the user | 12:15 |
| psycho_oreos | and so you should edit the bootloader to initialise command line | 12:15 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Uh... what? | 12:15 |
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| psycho_oreos | nevermind | 12:16 |
| ieatlint | i think he means init=/bin/sh type deal | 12:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | ah | 12:16 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, I already -have- a good chroot environment, I'm just trying to add a proper terminal to my application | 12:16 |
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| RobbieThe1st | ..I suppose I could try redirecting the output to a file/fifo, then read that and display it on screen using text2screen... | 12:17 |
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| ieatlint | that can be a nasty hack | 12:19 |
| ieatlint | buffering issues, and it may not handle any non-printable chars well (such as backspace) | 12:19 |
| RobbieThe1st | Yea | 12:20 |
| ieatlint | i'm not familiar with text2screen.. | 12:20 |
| RobbieThe1st | I can't find much documentation on it, really | 12:21 |
| ieatlint | hah, a google search has your tmo post as top hit | 12:21 |
| RobbieThe1st | :P | 12:21 |
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| RobbieThe1st | I've found it used in a couple of scripts, and ended up figuring out enough to make it work | 12:22 |
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| ieatlint | try and see if you can print something to the screen with it, and then issue backspace chars | 12:23 |
| ieatlint | if so, you can work out a nasty hack :P | 12:23 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, I'd have to handle that myself, by clearing that line, then writing it back with the new text. | 12:24 |
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| RobbieThe1st | But heck, even doing that'd be easier than capturing each keystroke, making a line out of them, then running the command through a pair of ``'s.. | 12:25 |
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| ieatlint | there's a reason there's an awesome lib called readline, heh | 12:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | Accessable through a shell-script? | 12:26 |
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| ieatlint | c lib | 12:26 |
| RobbieThe1st | I wrote my entire darn program - all 857 lines - in BusyBox ash script. <_< | 12:27 |
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| RobbieThe1st | Yes, I suppose I could have used python, but that would have required loading those libs. C... I have never used, and at this point would be kind of silly to learn just for this. | 12:27 |
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| ieatlint | brb, beer | 12:29 |
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| ieatlint | mm, delicious beer | 12:30 |
| ieatlint | RobbieThe1st: so basically you're going to have to do something ghetto, or hope someone here has a more elegant solution | 12:31 |
| RobbieThe1st | Basically, yes. I was hoping for something like "Oh, just run this program with these arguments, and it automatically creates a framebuffer, and everything else you need" | 12:32 |
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| ieatlint | if you can find the text2screen source, it may show you how it does it such that you can bypass it | 12:36 |
| RobbieThe1st | Well, I don't think that's -too- much of a problem; with a framebuffer kernel, the console text'd just overwrite any bits of screen not actively being written to | 12:39 |
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| xDaReaperx | Anyone here tried the leaked PR 1.3 ? | 14:02 |
| xDaReaperx | can i know if there's some changes in the looks and stuff of the OS ? or some additions and bug fixes logs | 14:03 |
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| alterego | xDaReaperx: does it matter? | 14:05 |
| alterego | The bug tracker will have everything you need to know about the official 1.3 release | 14:05 |
| xDaReaperx | no i just want to see what all bugs are fixed and any additions made | 14:05 |
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| alterego | Like I said, bug tracker has all the fixed bugs for official 1.3 | 14:06 |
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| xDaReaperx | when did you say that before ? | 14:06 |
| xDaReaperx | =/ | 14:07 |
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| ieatlint | he said it about 59s before | 14:08 |
| xDaReaperx | I wasn't here probably | 14:09 |
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| ieatlint | repent your sins, and you may be forgiven | 14:10 |
| alterego | xDaReaperx: well if you weren't here then who else was I replying to :P | 14:10 |
| xDaReaperx | i wasn't here the time you said this 59 times before | 14:11 |
| ieatlint | 59 seconds, not 59 times | 14:11 |
| xDaReaperx | okay i thought you mean 59 times | 14:11 |
| xDaReaperx | too hard to explain ... -_- | 14:13 |
| xDaReaperx | nvm | 14:13 |
| alterego | xDaReaperx: I said it in reply to your question 5 minutes ago | 14:13 |
| alterego | So you were here, I was saying it to you. | 14:14 |
| ieatlint | yeah, we're simple folk.. complicated topics are beyond our understanding | 14:14 |
| xDaReaperx | alterego: Okay | 14:15 |
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| intelinsider | mhh | 14:47 |
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| xDaReaperx_ | in case there was an update like PR 1.3 and i update to it from PR1.2 will i loose all my installed apps ? | 15:03 |
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| sivang | xDaReaperx: no, you do a backup that saves all your personal data and the list of apps you had and it restores it once you run it after the update | 15:04 |
| sivang | xDaReaperx: there's somewhere on the wii docs for that, quite good if I may say | 15:04 |
| sivang | xDaReaperx: :) | 15:04 |
| xDaReaperx | Okay so before update Maemo reminds you to back up and later restores it automatically ? | 15:05 |
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| xDaReaperx | it's not the same in the case of reflashing a bricked N900 , i backup'd and restored after reflash my apps were not there , not even a single one | 15:05 |
| sivang | xDaReaperx: that is actually what did, and all the apps got back | 15:06 |
| sivang | xDaReaperx: strage | 15:06 |
| sivang | strange | 15:06 |
| xDaReaperx | yes thats what happend | 15:06 |
| sivang | maybe a bug. | 15:06 |
| sivang | I don't kno. | 15:06 |
| xDaReaperx | so i worry i may loose the apps installed | 15:06 |
| xDaReaperx | will them modifications done to hildon-desktop go away ? | 15:06 |
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| xDaReaperx | well it's long back when i had installed aircrack-ng , it needed a custom kernel ... but i did not install kernel for power users , so it could not restore back nokia's kernel ... and then when i restarted it wont boot | 15:07 |
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| xDaReaperx | so after than i had made a backup before all the reflashing | 15:08 |
| xDaReaperx | and restored it as far as i remember | 15:08 |
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| sivang | xDaReaperx: this is WAY BEYOND what the normal backup would support, | 15:10 |
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| sivang | xDaReaperx: so there's no gurnatee. but if you just backup for reflash for a newer version, I don't think there should be probples | 15:11 |
| sivang | xDaReaperx: ofcourse there's a disclaimer | 15:11 |
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| sivang | xDaReaperx: for me, it just worked following strictly the instructions. | 15:11 |
| RST38h | Difficult-to-read fonts make for better learning, according to scientists. | 15:11 |
| xDaReaperx | yeah i did follow every instruction before reflashing at first ... i wont be able to do it on my own as far as i know .. | 15:12 |
| RST38h | Does this mean, TV ads in gothic are not that far ahead? | 15:12 |
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| xDaReaperx | the PR1.2 update was released the next day after i bought my N900 , so i had no apps installed that time except the ones that came with my N900 ... so i really did not know if i would loose any apps installed or not | 15:12 |
| xDaReaperx | i just updated it instantly | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SSU isn't supposed to 'lose any apps' | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | flashing of course is | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | but after flashing the normal backup app running a restore will do exactly that: restore your apps, contacts, settings... whatever you enabled for restore and what's also in the backup archive | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | modulo app installed via apt-get and not properly announcing themselves to backup | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/ app/ all apps/ | 16:02 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: modulo all apps installed via apt-get and not properly announcing themselves to backup | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | afaict PR1.3 will be a really 'gentle' upgrade which isn't replacing 'everything'. It most likely will go almost unnoticed, fixing a bug here and a bug there by replacing a few modules and libs - the worst thing you'll notice probably is the reboot needed | 16:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/PR1.3/the next PR version SSU/ | 16:08 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: afaict the next PR version SSU will be a really 'gentle' upgrade which isn't replacing 'everything'. It most likely will go almost unnoticed, fixing a bug here and a bug there by replacing a few modules and libs - the worst thing you'll notice probably is... | 16:08 |
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| sivang | hey DocScrutinizer :) | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | heyhey | 16:15 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: you told me you live in germeny right? | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 16:16 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I visited Munich last week, really nice | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | though I'm unsure about the 'live' part | 16:16 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: hehe, why ? | 16:16 |
| sivang | I really liked it. | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't ask | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I don't particularly like Munich - too expensive, too big, too Bavaria (I'm Franconian, the occupied country :-P), too much stupid people who think they are VIP | 16:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you ought've traveled ~150km to the North from Munich, to visit a few breweries in Franconia, the area with world's most breweries and pubs / resident | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess we got better beer and more breweries here than all the rest of the world together | 16:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | except for Pilsener beer | 16:23 |
| jacekowski | would you like me to quote what you said 5 minutes ago about people who think they are VIP? | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: err, don't see any relation | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | 15:21 < DocScrutinizer> I guess we got better beer and more breweries here than all the rest of the world together | 16:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | fact, so what | 16:24 |
| jacekowski | nvm | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | switch on Discovery channel, they will tell you the same :-P | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | 15:21 < DocScrutinizer> I guess we got better beer and more breweries here than all the rest of the world together | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | ehh | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | misclick | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | i don't have discovery | 16:25 |
| jacekowski | does it play on n900? | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nfc | 16:26 |
| psycho_oreos | how the hell does one manage to be able to work in chroot environment with n900 when they need to upgrade a whole bunch of packages? shouldn't scratchbox be able to handle that somehow? | 16:27 |
| jacekowski | you should have up to date system | 16:28 |
| psycho_oreos | and if you don't inside the chrooted environment? i.e. in the case of debian images from qole.org? | 16:29 |
| SpeedEvil | I copied / to /home/user/chroot | 16:30 |
| SpeedEvil | then I just use that for wirrd stuff | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: http://www.franconiabeerguide.com/ | 16:31 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm I don't understand how would that help let alone work.. if one needs to do apt-get upgrade for example under a debian chroot.. its easy to do that on n900 albeit it would incur lots of reads and writes on the flash drive (not ideal) however its not even remotely possible (afaik) for scratchbox | 16:32 |
| vdv | if i set an eight-level layout with setxkbmap, how can access symbols from 5 to 8? | 16:33 |
| psycho_oreos | half the issue is that scratchbox won't allow root access, so the init script for scratchbox needs to be hacked somehow | 16:33 |
| psycho_oreos | and no MADDE is not a choice.. I've tried that... really really laggy interface | 16:34 |
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| marmoute | Hello | 16:36 |
| marmoute | Is ther anyway to retrieve various password stored by the N900 as my jabber one for the example | 16:36 |
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| fecub | guys, i have an question. Is there an application for n900, to switch on and off with timer function?? for example daily at 8.00clock switch wifi on and on 10.00clock switch wifi off! sry for my english, hope you understand me? | 16:37 |
| psycho_oreos | fecub, there's alarmed | 16:37 |
| fecub | *to switch wifi on and off with timer function? | 16:37 |
| fecub | alarmed | 16:38 |
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| jacekowski | to execute any command | 16:38 |
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| psycho_oreos | probably not in a fancy UI sort of setup but you can set it to use a custom command line and from there set it to enable/disable wifi | 16:38 |
| fecub | ah ok i see it! i intall it | 16:38 |
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| fecub | thank you very very much! | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | fecub: alarmed is great - thanks to Shapeshifter | 16:43 |
| fecub | psycho_oreos: command execution! must i write an dbus command! i don't know what command i can write! | 16:44 |
| RST38h | splendid! | 16:44 |
| RST38h | and mood, javispedro | 16:44 |
| psycho_oreos | fecub, maybe `sudo ifconfig wifi0 down' | 16:44 |
| javispedro | hello RST38h | 16:44 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: Are there interesting open source jobs there? | 16:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, Nuernberg is where Suse is located, Erlangen is Siemens town. But open source jobs, hmm... | 16:49 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: well, not open source- Suse is good enough :) | 16:49 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I mean, related to | 16:49 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: Next time I'm in Germany, I will make sure to visit Franconia | 16:52 |
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| sivang | DocScrutinizer: I really liked it so there's a good chance I will come again, also, there's that KDE/GNOME event coming soon and it will be in Berlin or so | 16:53 |
| Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: more breweries maybe ... but we still have most beers :P | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | fine :-) leave me a notice if you drop by at Nuernberg | 16:53 |
| Gh0sty | belgian beers rule :P | 16:53 |
| sivang | Gh0sty: Germen is better, in my taste. | 16:53 |
| Gh0sty | you have a bad taste then ;) | 16:53 |
| Gh0sty | open source jobs here however suck :( | 16:54 |
| Gh0sty | been thinking to go to germany or something to try my luck elsewhere ... | 16:54 |
| sivang | Gh0sty: abnd it is all french, I can learn Germen (I sortof heard some of it when I Was young from grandparents) but French is too hard for me. | 16:54 |
| sivang | :) | 16:54 |
| Gh0sty | my idea - but that could be wrong - in germany open source has a larger use base (also in companies?) | 16:55 |
| sivang | Gh0sty: it does. | 16:55 |
| sivang | it is a fact. | 16:55 |
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| Gh0sty | only problem i might have is ... | 16:55 |
| Gh0sty | my german is not so good :p | 16:55 |
| Gh0sty | i can read it fluently | 16:55 |
| Gh0sty | but speaking ... :p | 16:55 |
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| sivang | Gh0sty: you can learn :) | 16:56 |
| Gh0sty | well since i'm dutch most looks the same :p | 16:56 |
| Gh0sty | but it's not that easy :) | 16:56 |
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| alterego | Best way to learn is by emersing you're self in the language ... apparently. | 16:56 |
| Gh0sty | I already do 3 languages :p | 16:56 |
| Gh0sty | alterego: no finding a girlfriend ... :P | 16:56 |
| Gh0sty | however that could also be considered "emersing yourself" :p | 16:57 |
| alterego | Erm, yeah, sure .. | 16:57 |
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| Gh0sty | should do some more trips to germany ... | 16:58 |
| Gh0sty | not been there too much | 16:58 |
| Gh0sty | despite the fact it's so close | 16:58 |
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| alterego | tmo is getting mighty boring. | 17:00 |
| RST38h | ITU Rules That WiMax, LTE Don't Qualify As 4G | 17:01 |
| * alterego sighs | 17:01 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 17:03 |
| infobot | hmm... tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic | 17:03 |
| SpeedEvil | or t-mobile | 17:04 |
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| MohammadAG | argh | 17:06 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: what now? :P | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tmo | 17:06 |
| infobot | i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | when I set Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation to true on the MainWindow, it sets the same flag for all other windows under it | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | this is expected, but there's no way to override it | 17:07 |
| RST38h | can't you force the flag on every other window, manually? | 17:07 |
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| MohammadAG | RST38h, the flag is set for all other windows, I want to force one of the 5 windows into landscape mode | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | since it doesn't work well in portrait | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | I tried | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation, false); | 17:08 |
| MohammadAG | setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5LandscapeOrientation, true); | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | should work I'd guess | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | should = doesn't in this case | 17:09 |
| RST38h | This is supposed to work, logically | 17:09 |
| alterego | "should" work | 17:09 |
| alterego | But Qt4.6+Maemo5+orientation is screwed :P | 17:09 |
| RST38h | Ok, Mohammad, let us try it another way | 17:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | use another main window | 17:09 |
| RST38h | *Remove* autootientation from the parent window, set it explicitely to all the other windows but then one which you do not want to rotate | 17:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: build a new kernel! | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | for hostmode :-) | 17:11 |
| sivang | hehe | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or do you really need me to supply a proper diff generated patch instead if a per line suggestion how to fix the bugs? | 17:12 |
| sivang | but what RST38h said should really do the ting | 17:12 |
| sivang | thing | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, a per line one worksforme | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, it's a stacked window | 17:13 |
| alterego | Kind of a waste of both your lives though isn't it? | 17:14 |
| alterego | :P | 17:14 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, Qt 4.7 isn't any better | 17:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/h-e-n-devel/2010/000032.html | 17:14 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: *shrugs* :P | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, so there's no way to set forced landscape mode? | 17:16 |
| MohammadAG | grr | 17:16 |
| alterego | Sure, you can force landscape mode if you want. | 17:17 |
| alterego | Baring in mind that, well, you can only see one window at a time. So does it matter that the root window is in charge of orientation? ... | 17:18 |
| sivang | stacked windows are like inide an MDI ? | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ( Baring in mind that, well, you can only see one window at a time) that's why I suggested to instantiate a new top level window, without parent | 17:20 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: like, onSlidTo(3) -> window.setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5LandscapeOrientation, true) etc. | 17:20 |
| alterego | I do however think mixing up landscape/portrait like this is a bad idea. | 17:21 |
| alterego | Forcing a a single view in an app to be landscape will just annoy people. | 17:21 |
| * DocScrutinizer remarks every window is forced into landscape as soon as focus is set to a text input field | 17:22 | |
| alterego | Yes, there is that. | 17:22 |
| alterego | bored bored bored .. | 17:23 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, stretching an image into landscape mode isn't any better | 17:23 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: indeed, very irritating | 17:24 |
| alterego | Don't stretch then :P | 17:25 |
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| alterego | maintain aspect and set the background. | 17:25 |
| alterego | Or, redo the image. | 17:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | very logical, as the kbd *is* designed for landscape. Hard to change that, at least for hw kbd :-P | 17:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | A rotating keyboard would be lovely. | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd actually like a fully detachable one. | 17:27 |
| SpeedEvil | But that may be a little mechanically complex. | 17:27 |
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| sivang | SpeedEvil: hehe could be | 17:30 |
| sivang | anyway, I haveto logoff irc to get focused | 17:30 |
| sivang | see you all | 17:30 |
| sivang | although this is #maemo, tryto cheer up :) | 17:30 |
| SpeedEvil | wave | 17:31 |
| sivang | #meego is all hope :) | 17:31 |
| sivang | yeah! | 17:31 |
| sivang | wave | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, all the images can't be stretched | 17:32 |
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| alterego | 3WHY UNOT>?!?! | 17:39 |
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| alterego | God, I'm so freain' bored. | 17:40 |
| alterego | ~freakin' .. | 17:40 |
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| * SpeedEvil cures alteregos boredome. | 17:40 | |
| * SpeedEvil puts away the cryogenic tuna, the peanut butter, and the mallet. | 17:41 | |
| alterego | That sounds somewhat horrible :P | 17:41 |
| alterego | Maybe I should do the washing up or something .. | 17:41 |
| alterego | Oh cool, Stellerium was released into Ovi, that is somewhat, erm, interestingly timed ^.^ | 17:42 |
| SpeedEvil | :/ | 17:43 |
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| alterego | I don't like how he has a load of donate buttons on his site, but he's charging for his app on Ovi | 17:44 |
| alterego | greedy punk | 17:44 |
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| crashanddie | whom are we talking about? | 17:46 |
| alterego | the author | 17:47 |
| crashanddie | link to said website? | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: and that he won the innovators contest :P | 17:47 |
| alterego | fdff | 17:47 |
| alterego | google :P | 17:47 |
| alterego | Yeah, that too! :D | 17:47 |
| crashanddie | alterego: gimme the fucking link, bitch. | 17:47 |
| wolf^ | well, somebody at tmo has already exercised his rights given by the gpl | 17:47 |
| alterego | 15.7M omfg | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | wolf^: good | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | btw, someone should exercice his GPL-rights on this website: www.sportmag.fr | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | (I helped debugging some really horrible code) | 17:48 |
| crashanddie | as in, the guy uses Django, so an MVC framework, yet _everything_ is in the views. | 17:49 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, cause they're 800x480? :P | 17:49 |
| alterego | crashanddie: http://stellarium-mobile.org/ | 17:49 |
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| petteri | ohhh. nice to have it finally available | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | the website doesn't look like much | 17:52 |
| alterego | tbh, that GPL is bullshit | 17:52 |
| alterego | He wrote Stellarium, he can release closed versions of it if he wants. | 17:53 |
| petteri | alterego: why so angry? | 17:53 |
| alterego | That guy that just uploaded it is well out of order. | 17:53 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: detachable keyboard -> http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ | 17:53 |
| javispedro | alterego: suposedly other people contributed to stellarium. | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: well - yes. | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | (touchbook) | 17:54 |
| alterego | javispedro: well, we can't guess at what arrangements they may have come to :P | 17:54 |
| javispedro | how can you say tmo is boring? "MeeGo will be a tragedy!" | 17:57 |
| javispedro | =) | 17:58 |
| alterego | javispedro: that's actually what spurred me .. | 17:58 |
| alterego | I think I'm having a moody day, but I'm seriously thinking of severing from maemo.org and the whole community and just jumping to meego now .. | 17:58 |
| alterego | Which will be a shame, because I like talking to a lot of you and helping the hackers here :/ | 17:59 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: detachable penis -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4 | 17:59 |
| javispedro | alterego: imho the geekiness in meego.com is already on the way down. | 18:00 |
| Arkenoi | am i right that, considering "inofficial" modest fixes not addressing the issue, modest usability is not widely accepted as terminal disaster? | 18:02 |
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| Jef91 | So for some reason I can no longer connect to IRC on my tmobile 3g on my n900 any ideas? | 18:03 |
| kerio | Arkenoi: modest's problems can't be solved by a patch | 18:03 |
| kerio | nothing short of nuking it from orbit can | 18:03 |
| * ShadowJK would blame tmob | 18:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Jef91: wait til t-mo NAT IP and sessions get discarded | 18:05 |
| Jef91 | Any idea how long that talkes? | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | usually a reconnect every 60s succeeds after some (dozen) tries | 18:06 |
| alterego | ghey, for some reason my card isn't being accepted by Ovi :/ | 18:06 |
| Arkenoi | kerio, well, having ONE click to reach the inbox instead of 4 should be possible, isn't it? | 18:07 |
| alterego | Oh well, I guess I'll have to hold off buying it .. | 18:07 |
| Jef91 | thats a pain in the ass | 18:07 |
| Jef91 | never done that before | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Jef91: also going offline and back online on 3G helps | 18:07 |
| kerio | "T-Mobile" and "pain in the ass" often go togheter | 18:07 |
| alterego | Don't think it's happened to be before either. | 18:08 |
| alterego | Maybe there's something wrong with my account :S | 18:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: if you get a NAT IP that's been blocked by feenode prviously then you're out of luck | 18:09 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: I was talking about my card not being accepted at ovi :P | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ooh | 18:10 |
| alterego | Not Jef91's IRC t-mo woes | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: they heard your maemo/meego heresy | 18:11 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:11 |
| alterego | There has been none :P | 18:11 |
| alterego | I'm an avid supporter. | 18:11 |
| alterego | I just the the community has gone to scht. | 18:11 |
| GAN900 | Exactly. | 18:11 |
| alterego | And I'm not getting any fun from it anymore. | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-/ | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | might telling a joke help? | 18:12 |
| intelinsider | i can't receive mms with fmss | 18:12 |
| alterego | If you look at tmo right now, and the active topics bar, can anyone say that they're even remotely interested in any of the subjects? | 18:13 |
| intelinsider | *fmms | 18:13 |
| alterego | tmo aside, but it's not like this channel has been particularly riveting over the past few months .. | 18:13 |
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| intelinsider | i set the provider settings but without success | 18:14 |
| javispedro | alterego: hack something interesting to keep it alive =) | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: was pondering to answer sth similar | 18:14 |
| javispedro | all the useful projects are in dire need of man-hours | 18:15 |
| javispedro | e.g. host mode | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | life is boring at large, until you put some sense in it | 18:15 |
| alterego | I was hacking on a few interesting projects, but now I'm thinking the apps are going to have to be quite radically changed to work under MeeGo, so I figure I'll just target meego touch framework and forget about maemo. | 18:15 |
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| alterego | That way my apps will be ready for the next device and I get to work in MeeGo, which is still in the fun phase :)) | 18:16 |
| alterego | That and there's no politics, well, not much politics. | 18:16 |
| javispedro | and by the time the n900+1 is released, you will have to retarget your projects again because they will work with a debian-like distro like Harmattan instead of Meego =) | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | if THAT is true, then honestly meego needs some love, ti *fix that issue* | 18:16 |
| javispedro | (or viceversa) | 18:16 |
| alterego | javispedro: packing isn't a problem :P | 18:16 |
| javispedro | not only packing. | 18:17 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer51: we can have meego touch framework on maemo, and do in the Qt meego examples I believe. | 18:17 |
| javispedro | well, unless you use only qt apis :P | 18:17 |
| alterego | I think most of the APIs I'm interested in are the same. | 18:17 |
| alterego | In fact, from my two apps perspective, there's nothing different from the application code. Just radically different UI code | 18:18 |
| alterego | I could probably whittle it down to 1 UI for symbian/maemo and 1 UI for meego | 18:18 |
| alterego | But I can't be bothered anymore. | 18:18 |
| alterego | Call me lazy I guess :P | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | my recent knowledge is "you can migrate properly written maemo apps by push of a button" - if that doesn't deliver then meego did something *really* BAD | 18:19 |
| alterego | Sure, but then I'm not taking advantage of the cool stuff in meego | 18:19 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 18:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw I requested meego doing a prototypical implemetation of this migration path some months ago, and I still don't see it | 18:20 |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:20 |
| alterego | Probably because the handset ux can't handle non meego-touch apps. | 18:20 |
| alterego | It'll run Qt apps, they just don't get handled properly. | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | then nuke meego-touch, not abandom maemo | 18:21 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, :rolleyes: | 18:21 |
| alterego | Kind of just get overlayed ontop of the ui | 18:21 |
| alterego | meego touch is evolution though. | 18:21 |
| GAN900 | Marketing shouldn't pretend to know about stuff like that. | 18:21 |
| alterego | And it's a really cool framework .. | 18:21 |
| GAN900 | It never ends well. | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | FSCKIT! | 18:22 |
| alterego | Well, you do what you want to do, I'll do what I want to do and maybe one day we'll meet again ;) | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | honestly, what noobs are developing meego, if they don't even know how to properly implement a compatibility layer, as they are supposed to and promised :-((( | 18:23 |
| alterego | I don't remember that promise | 18:23 |
| alterego | Or declaration | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 18:23 |
| alterego | Unless you're getting confused with the Qt "write once, run everywhere" ... | 18:24 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: this to imply again you cannot really "code once, deploy everywhere?" :) | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: sorry, that's mega-lame | 18:24 |
| sivang | hehe | 18:24 |
| sivang | I see the level of cheer up is dropping to new records :) | 18:24 |
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| alterego | :) | 18:25 |
| jpinx-eeepc | sivang: you can't even do that across diferent releases of the same os :( | 18:25 |
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| sivang | jpinx-eeepc: bad :/ | 18:26 |
| sivang | jpinx-eeepc: you mean between different maemos? | 18:26 |
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| Xhinde | Does someone have a little spare time to help me with getting MMS to work? | 18:26 |
| jpinx-eeepc | sivang: I tell lies - there is a .deb for downloading from youtube which will install almost anywhere 'cos it's just a pythin script | 18:27 |
| jpinx-eeepc | pyfat | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: so basically you say you don't like to remember this promise just because you don't care, and you are joining meego and leave maemo, just *because* you like this incompatibility. Well, thanks for the time you spent here, I'm sure meego needs more of your kind | 18:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer pissed. Bye | 18:28 | |
| jpinx-eeepc | alterego: being a dick? | 18:29 |
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| alterego | No, DocScrutinizer is being a drama queen | 18:30 |
| alterego | I don't remember those promises because I obviously didn't read them, do you have a source? | 18:31 |
| sivang | jpinx-eeepc: could you please add your findings and thoughts here http://wiki.meego.com/Qt_across_MeeGo_%26_Symbian or comment abou the endeavor on a meego ml? | 18:32 |
| sivang | DocScrutinizer: ^^ | 18:32 |
| sivang | I don't promise to go anywhere with that, but I'm trying :) | 18:32 |
| sivang | anyway,bbab | 18:32 |
| jpinx-eeepc | who was it that said it is egos that drive open source forward :) | 18:33 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: let's try and get hildon to be a first party framework for harmattan again =) | 18:34 |
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| MohammadAG | yay? | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, you do that, I'll send a donation your way if you get it working :P | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: if I did that, there's a $50,000 gnome foundation "donation" =) | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | I'll send one more buck :P | 18:35 |
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| javispedro | what does X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar mean | 18:49 |
| javispedro | mxr does not return hits, other than nokia .desktop files | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | could be leftovers from diablo | 18:50 |
| MohammadAG | I think Nokia doesn't know how to use .desktop files | 18:50 |
| javispedro | I believe that the minimal set of required fields on a desktop file is: Encoding, Type, Name, and X-Osso-Service | 18:52 |
| javispedro | (Exec instead of X-Osso-Service if app does not link with libosso) | 18:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | courtesy dneary | 18:59 |
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| javispedro | I am actually trying to understand and fill it =) | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, fremantle has no toolbar, so... | 19:01 |
| javispedro | Diablo hadn't, either.... hm.. | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | so MohammadAG's suggestion is quite sound | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, it hadn't | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 19:01 |
| javispedro | well, none where all apps where shown | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no, only those with X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true | 19:03 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, X-Osso-Service isn't needed | 19:04 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: virtually all of them | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | only needed if you have a .service file | 19:04 |
| javispedro | so, no idea :( | 19:04 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: note I didn't put "Exec" in the set, so without a service file it won't even launch =) | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | ah | 19:05 |
| javispedro | the idea is: either you do it the dbus way (X-Osso-Service, libosso, .service file) or the unix way (Exec:) | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Osso-Service=gpe_todo | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar=true | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | (from my N810) | 19:07 |
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| javispedro | and does gpe_todo show in any toolbar? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been another one with X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar, just one though | 19:07 |
| javispedro | weirdo, so it's a fremantle thing then. | 19:07 |
| foucist | is there anything like nokia n900 but with host usb? | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not that I know of | 19:07 |
| foucist | and good battery life? 8+ hours ? | 19:08 |
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| javispedro | the N810? :P | 19:08 |
| javispedro | (no phone) | 19:08 |
| RST38h | a laptopmaybe? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode | 19:08 |
| infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 | 19:08 |
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| foucist | i'm basically looking for a tiny portable computer with usb hostmode.. it doesn't even need a screen or anything, just checking around, i noticed someone suggested n900 for wearable computer type stuff | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG | no screen? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: honestly I think I don't get it - the most obvious explanation for X-HildonDesk-ShowInToolbar seems doesn't fit at all | 19:09 |
| Shadikka | What do you need it for? | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG | pandaboard for OMAP4, beagleboard for OMAP3 | 19:10 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG++ | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yo | 19:10 |
| foucist | Shadikka: i want to plug in a webcam and capture everything i see during the day (lifelogging) | 19:10 |
| javispedro | even though for OMAP3 you might want to goog for IGEP, as the beagleboard doesn't have wifi | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:10 |
| Shadikka | hmm, I can't think of anything then. | 19:10 |
| foucist | Shadikka: kind of like http://www.viconrevue.com/home.html but i'd like to do it for significantly cheaper | 19:11 |
| RST38h | Mhm,Ballmer promised a revolutionary new Windows8 | 19:11 |
| * RST38h is scared now | 19:11 | |
| javispedro | RST38h: already? =) | 19:11 |
| RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/23/ballmer-next-release-of-windows-will-be-microsofts-riskiest-p/ | 19:11 |
| foucist | it's approx $800 | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE Blamer | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | err Balmer | 19:13 |
| toggles | lol | 19:13 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/stephen-elop-chants-developers-developers-developers-to-clos/ | 19:13 |
| RST38h | Blamer indeed | 19:13 |
| foucist | javispedro: do you think putting together a beagleboard + battery + usb webcam would be a good affordable way to get a wearable webcam to capture what i see during the day? | 19:15 |
| javispedro | foucist: If I had such a need that'd be the first I'd try. But i never did it, so understand me :) | 19:15 |
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| foucist | i think i'd like to find a cheaper alternative to beagleboard | 19:16 |
| famicom | lo room | 19:16 |
| foucist | $150 is perhaps a little too much for my simple needs | 19:16 |
| famicom | anyone know what program the maemo chat app is based on | 19:16 |
| famicom | it's being a dick, not syncing chat history like pidgin does | 19:16 |
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| famicom | is it based on emphathy? | 19:17 |
| flux | soo, has anyone written a tool that allows one to neatly browse incoming sms messages on a linux desktop, + send them as well? | 19:17 |
| famicom | flux, not sure, browsing them should be easy, sending them a different story all together | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: how could you possibly *not* be scared when such a guy is announcing anything | 19:19 |
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| MohammadAG | famicom, empathy, logs are in sqlite3 | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | chances are if it isn't saving logs, it's failing silently | 19:21 |
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| MohammadAG | either: | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | 1) /home is corrupt/mounted ro | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: you know I'm German, here we are especially sensible to detect such kind of BS on a stage talking to a large undiscriminating audience | 19:21 |
| MohammadAG | 2) sqlite3 db is corrupt | 19:21 |
| famicom | is there a way to mount the root FS to be browsed over USB | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | famicom: NFS, sshfs | 19:22 |
| famicom | aye, to be honest, the DB works fine, it's just not accepting a "push" like si done on pidgin | 19:22 |
| flux | famicom, by easy you mean I use sqlite command line client or that there is a working solution for that?-) | 19:22 |
| famicom | flux yeah, something like that :) | 19:23 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! | 19:25 |
| famicom | aaaah, i see now :) | 19:25 |
| famicom | it's based on telepathy i think | 19:25 |
| flux | famicom, do you remember where the sms messages were? | 19:25 |
| famicom | nope, trawling through repos and docs to find out what precise architecture is :) | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: your /dev/random has a strange bug in entropy | 19:26 |
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| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Funniest_Joke_in_the_World ;) | 19:26 |
| javispedro | (just testing your bullshit filter :D ) | 19:26 |
| famicom | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/RTCOM | 19:27 |
| BCMM | is there a reasonably sane/safe way to compile Qt stuff on the actual device? | 19:27 |
| famicom | I think you should look at easychroot for that | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: there's at least 6 words in it that are mere BS as they don't exist in German language | 19:28 |
| famicom | Wenn ist das Nunstruck git und Slotermeyer? Ja!... Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput! | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | or - if those are names - I never heard of them | 19:29 |
| famicom | probably meant as a non sequitor | 19:29 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: exactly -- it's plain bullshit. some old british joke. | 19:29 |
| flux | famicom, hmph, I have ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db, but the mos recent message in it is from Mon Jun 7 15:54:13 EEST 2010 | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if British think it's funny to talk BS that sounds like German... I always knew British are mad dogs | 19:30 |
| flux | (according to events.start_time) | 19:30 |
| RST38h | Doc: You seem to be forgetting that I am Russian... :) | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, I didn't | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm well aware you got similar celebrities | 19:31 |
| RST38h | Doc: Then you should probably remember that there were 70 years of pure smelly bullshit from every possible public orifice... :) | 19:31 |
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| famicom | blah, i finally pulled this thing apart | 19:32 |
| famicom | finally get what i'm working with, took me a month, but i got it, it's an ARM tablet computer, with some specialized GSM hardware, plugged in on the side, probably supported within the kernel, then on top, it's really just a linux install, with rather than just the usual "gnome desktop" a different type of environment setup | 19:34 |
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| famicom | with all of the "phone" functionality provided by RTCOM framework running in userspace, which accesses low level hardware through D-BUS | 19:35 |
| famicom | but ofcourse, i could be wrong........ | 19:35 |
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| famicom | pretty much the classical "Linux Distro" concept | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: btw to me it seems you (russia) are up for another few decadesor | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | -or | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Doc: No, that's different | 19:37 |
| RST38h | Doc: The previous one was grand. This one is more like a traveiling circus performance. | 19:38 |
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| BCMM | i asked a question about compilers a few minutes ago, around the time that maemo switched to a broken wireless network and i got disconnected. did my question actually get through, and did anyone respond? | 19:45 |
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| javispedro | BCMM: yes, you got easychroot for answer | 19:47 |
| javispedro | and I agree (a chroot is the only sane way) | 19:47 |
| javispedro | unless what you want to build is very simple; then a plai-ly optified gcc might work. | 19:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | there is gcc in the tools repo. | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | You _can_ install gcc onto the rootfs | 19:49 |
| SpeedEvil | but you end up with little space left. | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | And a chroot is the better way | 19:50 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: so a whole second copy of the qt libs? | 19:52 |
| BCMM | i seem to have a 150 second ping here over rural 2g... | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: yes | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | BCMM: you copy all of / into a chroot | 19:52 |
| SpeedEvil | then apt-get whatever in that chroot, so it doesn't screw with / | 19:53 |
| BCMM | wasn't there some hack involving installing stuff from the sdk repo, then disabling that repo before everything breaks? is that basically a bad idea? | 19:53 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: what about building qt apps? is there a qmake package? | 19:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | dunno | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | sdk stuff is not optified. | 19:57 |
| SpeedEvil | GCC is ~50M | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | / has 80M or so free when virgin | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | hence... | 19:58 |
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| BCMM | SpeedEvil: how hard would it be for me to manually play with symlinks? | 20:00 |
| javispedro | BCMM: you enable the SDK repo _on a chroot_ | 20:00 |
| javispedro | BCMM: then, when it eventually breaks, your device is safe. | 20:00 |
| javispedro | also, chances are it won't even break as you don't have to "boot" the chroot, just run commands from it. | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | The issue is that most stuff with a GUI doesn't work properly, without screwing with stuff. | 20:01 |
| javispedro | oh, it works, but themes won't be applied, etc. | 20:02 |
| javispedro | so when the resulting binary is done just run it from outside the chroot et voila. | 20:02 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 20:02 |
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| * javispedro had a working SDK chroot on his n810 a year ago, and I used it to build some demo Qt apps back then | 20:03 | |
| trumee | anybody remembers the name of the app which can read the calendar and change profile to silent. | 20:04 |
| trumee | it can read wlan ssid and gps location and perform some action. | 20:05 |
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| trumee | "calendar" string in fapman is not bringing it up. | 20:05 |
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| trumee | found it N9profile! | 20:08 |
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| dRbiG | okey, put some stuff here http://www.drbig.one.pl/n900.html | 20:13 |
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| felipec | http://felipec.wordpress.com/2010/10/23/why-maemo-downloads-are-screwed/ | 20:13 |
| dRbiG | still have more to add there; anyway maybe someone will find sth useful there | 20:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | felipec: popular != good | 20:18 |
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| felipec | DocScrutinizer: so? | 20:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing more, just saying | 20:19 |
| tank-man | felipec, "popularity" ratings can also be abused. All that an author has to do is setup a bunch of fake accounts to rate his app | 20:20 |
| sivang | guys, the hildon porting offer is to make sure maemo legacy apps use the same L&F on meego? | 20:20 |
| sivang | I was not really able to understand what it tries to achieve from the email, to be honest | 20:20 |
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| sivang | if that is so, is it our interest to make it succedd? | 20:20 |
| sivang | I mean, I think it is | 20:20 |
| javispedro | sivang: to make sure they run in a sane way. right now, they won't even have a titlebar. | 20:21 |
| javispedro | so no way to close them. | 20:21 |
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| javispedro | and hildon offers quite a lot of features that depend on hooks in the window manager | 20:21 |
| felipec | DocScrutinizer: but if you have thousands of apps, you need ways to sort them out, and popularity is a good starting point to find good ones | 20:21 |
| javispedro | so those have to be ported over too | 20:21 |
| felipec | tank-man: that can be done right now | 20:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, it's a good starting point to find popular ones. The new brilliant ones never get a chance | 20:22 |
| felipec | tank-man: in fact, right now it's easier to abuse the system... all you have to do is make many releases | 20:22 |
| javispedro | felipec: I'd argue about needing a "sort by download count" option, but I do believe that popularity!=downloadcount | 20:23 |
| sivang | javispedro: so this is the wa to cater for cross platformness, and not Qt. We must have this communicated properly | 20:23 |
| sivang | what should we do? | 20:23 |
| javispedro | sivang: elaborate? | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: aiui there *sIS* a sort-by-dlcount | 20:23 |
| felipec | javispedro: I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that right now there's no way to sort by popularity | 20:23 |
| sivang | javispedro: So, a while a go I decided to try and help make the corss platorm developer experience beter | 20:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: just it's not called "popular" | 20:24 |
| felipec | how to measure popularity is another issue, but most probably would be a function of all the fields I mentioned | 20:24 |
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| sivang | javispedro: that page being a brainstromgin page and attempet to collect resources | 20:24 |
| yohomer | Hi. I'm a brand new n810 user (yea!) .... version 5.2008.43-7 .... wondering which repositories (catalogs) I should have in the application manager. | 20:24 |
| sivang | javispedro: and I would like tocome up with guidelines for streamlined porting of apps | 20:24 |
| sivang | javispedro: http://wiki.meego.com/Qt_across_MeeGo_%26_Symbian | 20:25 |
| javispedro | sivang: so your opinion is to force Gtk+ devs to use Qt? | 20:25 |
| yohomer | I have repository.maemo.org/extras/ but it isn't version specific | 20:25 |
| felipec | DocScrutinizer: sort by download count? where? | 20:25 |
| sivang | javispedro: so we should make it clear that pure qt apps are not thr gith way to go (yet) for that, since to achieve the we need to use the MeeGo framework | 20:25 |
| sivang | javispedro: no! :) | 20:25 |
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| sivang | javispedro: I am just trying to devise a proper guide that describes the available options. given there are also NOkia efforts to make things easier through QML or Qt Components | 20:26 |
| javispedro | sivang: I understand what you want to do, but there's a bunch of Gtk+ apps and even plain Xlib apps out there that might never get ported -- and it is quite interesting if those run. | 20:26 |
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| javispedro | s/interesting if those run/desirable to run those | 20:26 |
| sivang | javispedro: right, so one of the ways is to "if you app is not supported by the current runtime on meego, see if you ca help the hildon porting initiative with a patch a fix relevant for your usage" | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | felipec: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/system/ looks quite sorted by dl-count | 20:27 |
| sivang | javispedro: well, rewriting an app should never be required. this is plain hard and a discouragement for developers | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | felipec: you just have to decide which category you want to look at - obviously there's no category 'all' | 20:29 |
| RST38h | back | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | wich honestly seems fair enough | 20:29 |
| felipec | DocScrutinizer: right, that's a bit helpful, but there should be a way for all | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I couldn't bother less how many downloads a lib got, when I'm searching for "good" (as in your def) games, for example | 20:30 |
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| felipec | preferably taking into account the stars and votes, which would be a sensible to measure popularity | 20:31 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 20:31 | |
| felipec | DocScrutinizer: some people are not looking for games, but for good apps | 20:31 |
| felipec | something they might have not tried yet | 20:31 |
| felipec | maybe not you, but some people | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | good != dl-count either, ans as mentioned 2 lines above, who'd be interested in testing eithe powerkernel or N900fly depending on which is "better"? o.O | 20:33 |
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| trumee | is it possible to sort by download count atm? | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds to me like you're asking for a hall of fame, for the pkg with most ever downloads. Users are hardly interested in such number bragging | 20:35 |
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| felipec | trumee: apparently only by category | 20:35 |
| javispedro | seems so, that should be fixed. | 20:35 |
| felipec | DocScrutinizer: not true | 20:35 |
| trumee | felipec: i selected a category on maemo.org but dont see a sort option? | 20:36 |
| felipec | trumee: they seem to be sorted by downloads by default | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: what option WTF? | 20:37 |
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| trumee | felipec: ah, i see | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: read backscroll | 20:37 |
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| ShadowJK | Heh. Watching a 'rescue chopper' thing on tv. The doctor onthe chooper has a Nokia N97, and is watching the patient's EEG on it while enroute to a heart attack patient | 20:38 |
| ShadowJK | Not fiction :-) | 20:39 |
| sivang | javispedro: true, we should maybe consult the community to see which sort of app sets are in wish to get ported. | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe, nobody told him GSM is not allowed on airplane? | 20:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Her :P | 20:39 |
| sivang | javispedro: some more discussion on the subject more from the comunity of Maemo would help, but I wasn't ale to get much attention from ourselves so far, I might cross post to meego and maemo to get more feedback andreal words needs. | 20:40 |
| javispedro | sivang: tbh I'm not used to this paperwork :) | 20:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and aircraft | 20:41 |
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| sivang | javispedro: I'm not sure how much Nokia are aware of theissues, I at least want to get more idea from the community so hopfuly this will end up being porting bugs and will get fixed eventually | 20:42 |
| sivang | javispedro: I also wonder for the amount of offered MeeGo apps given porting is sonot trivial | 20:42 |
| ShadowJK | i guess it's allowed on their ambulance eurocopter :) | 20:43 |
| sivang | and most of our apps are hildon... | 20:43 |
| sivang | anyway, I'm straying again- back to my assignment | 20:43 |
| sivang | and hanks for listening to my noise :) | 20:43 |
| sivang | *thanks | 20:43 |
| javispedro | :P :) | 20:43 |
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| * ShadowJK wonders if meego will have a podcast app | 20:44 | |
| sivang | I might be too blank, but then again that would mean I have still energy to try and push things forward until I wear out :) | 20:44 |
| sivang | the problem for me is that I did not do too much hildon developent on Maemo, and so do ot have the findings of the hardship of porting and te current state , and would be happy to hear more about that from the community | 20:45 |
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| sivang | and with qt, I thought this is in the past- but since you still need to use MTF or MAF to build apps, it is not a real and immediate solution | 20:46 |
| sivang | I'm now really off, although this is very important I think and I would need to spend more time on this. | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, afaik gpodder works on it | 20:48 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: using the gtk runtime builtin? | 20:48 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: no porting was required? | 20:48 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, Qt rewrite afaik | 20:49 |
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| sivang | MohammadAG: I see :/ | 20:49 |
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| MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U | 20:49 |
| sivang | MohammadAG: who's the author? can I bug him to write about his experience ? | 20:49 |
| javispedro | not completely true -- the stock+ version also run http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2010/08/gpodder-running-in-meego-handset-ux-for.html | 20:49 |
| javispedro | s/stock/stock gtk+/ | 20:49 |
| infobot | javispedro meant: not completely true -- the stock gtk++ version also run http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2010/08/gpodder-running-in-meego-handset-ux-for.html | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG | sivang, no, you can't bug him :P | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | I'm guessing it's thp | 20:50 |
| sivang | ah! thp already wrote on thepage :) | 20:50 |
| sivang | about the rabbot game | 20:50 |
| sivang | "wrote once, #ifdef everywhere" | 20:50 |
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| MohammadAG | I hate it when someone pushes 10 updates every second to devel | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | memscanner in https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-October/ :/ | 20:51 |
| sivang | gpodder seems nice on that video | 20:52 |
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| sivang | right, the stock version runs | 20:53 |
| sivang | we need an automatic UI adopter for that, since it does look like the old gtk apps from the 90s | 20:53 |
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| sivang | and I guess this is what the 50$ prize is about | 20:53 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: nothing more creepy than emailing them with the solution to whatever problem they had | 20:54 |
| alterego | 1*09/vvvvvv | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | sivang: agreed -- porting gtk-qt-style to qt4 should be part of it | 20:54 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, ? | 20:56 |
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| sivang | javispedro: what do you mean by gtk-qt style? | 20:58 |
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| javispedro | sivang: there was a gtk+ plugin back in qt3 days that rendered gtk+ widgets with qt theme (basically, inverse of QGtkStyle) | 20:59 |
| sivang | javispedro: right, exactly okay, I knew something like this had to be made to support the hildon looks with qt apps | 20:59 |
| sivang | javispedro: so we need an inverse | 20:59 |
| * sivang adds to the wiki | 20:59 | |
| Corsac | javispedro: there's one for qt4 as well | 21:00 |
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| javispedro | Corsac: does it work? | 21:00 |
| Corsac | javispedro: a GTK+ engine using Qt oxygen widgets | 21:00 |
| Corsac | no idea | 21:00 |
| Corsac | I don't use Qt stuff | 21:00 |
| Corsac | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=129715 | 21:00 |
| javispedro | but it's limited to oxygen-themes I guess. | 21:01 |
| javispedro | and I doubt most Meego themes are going to be oxygen-based. | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | just for the hell of it; compilation times to zImage on autobuilder: | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | real3m36.658s | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | user12m13.786s | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | sys0m42.251s | 21:01 |
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| Corsac | javispedro: no idea | 21:01 |
| MohammadAG | s/to/of/ | 21:01 |
| * MohammadAG sneaked in a "time" before the make | 21:02 | |
| Corsac | (hmhm, wrong, I do use Qt for vlc) | 21:02 |
| Corsac | (but anyway I use QGTKStyle) | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/psfreedom_0.4/armel.build.log.OK.txt :D | 21:02 |
| * MohammadAG should stop using v in tar, makes logs long | 21:03 | |
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| MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping? | 21:04 |
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| sivang | javispedro, Corsac : added to the notes at that page. Thanks guys. | 21:08 |
| Corsac | yw | 21:08 |
| javispedro | sivang: thanks to you too. | 21:08 |
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| sivang | I wonder how the porting guide does not really talk about this issues. Hnce I think our brainstorming is useful | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | is there a debug option in (2) *exec*/*fork* etc? Purpose: get a syslog line for every newly started process | 21:12 |
| sivang | I mean, there is a page on the wiki for meego porting guide | 21:12 |
| sivang | ah, it is a hardware porting guide, that's why! | 21:14 |
| sivang | dear god, I'm always drawn to meego/maemo stuff and can't concetrnate on my stuff :) | 21:14 |
| sivang | anyway - back to my stuff. Thanks all, cheers. | 21:15 |
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| Muelli | DocScrutinizer: no. But you could use strace. | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | on *all* existing processes? mmmpf | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd probably better replace the .ko function spawning a new process | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, scratch .ko, it's obviously a core kernel function :-P | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I just hate the idea of >while true; do ps | sort | tail | unique | logger; done< | 21:24 |
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| RST38h | you forgot |fsck | fsck | fsck | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will slow down things even more :-P | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and btw uniq won't work like expected, when used this way - but you get the idea I think | 21:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | while true; do ps | sort | tail; done | unique | logger; | 21:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw I keep it as an execise to reader why above concept never can work as expected | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | (except on messybox X-P ) | 21:40 |
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| * RST38h yawns | 21:43 | |
| RST38h | Anything new and exciting in the world? | 21:43 |
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| vdv | if i did "dpkg --set-selections < previously_installed_packages" then how can i actually install packages? apt-get install? | 21:51 |
| * MohammadAG releases his PSFreedom C++/Qt rewrite, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=848872&postcount=388 | 21:51 | |
| MohammadAG | free at last | 21:52 |
| RST38h | naah, no PS3 here. | 21:52 |
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| jacekowski | hmm is low call quality on skype a known problem? | 22:12 |
| RST38h | jacekowski: yes | 22:13 |
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| RST38h | jacekowski: it goes over IP. IP does not guarantee you timely packet delivery (hell, UDP does not event guarantee you the delivery) | 22:14 |
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| jacekowski | but i mean it works fine on PC | 22:14 |
| jacekowski | connected to same wireless | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Same network link? | 22:14 |
| jacekowski | yep | 22:14 |
| RST38h | Well, different WiFi hardware, to be fair | 22:14 |
| jacekowski | and wifi works fine as well | 22:14 |
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| jacekowski | SIP works fine | 22:15 |
| RST38h | then weird | 22:15 |
| jacekowski | it's just skype + n900 | 22:15 |
| RST38h | ESPECIALLY if SIP works fine | 22:15 |
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| RST38h | When your connection is bad, SIP is the first to go unusable, only then Skype | 22:15 |
| RST38h | Is the other side using speakerphone? | 22:16 |
| jacekowski | laptop | 22:16 |
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| knightstalker | Hello,Could anyone install gAnyremote? | 22:31 |
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| javispedro | heh, while testing this .desktop file stuff I've broken hildon-desktop enough that tapping on any app results in it trying to activate the foreca weather app. | 22:58 |
| javispedro | thank god I have ssh, cause now I cannot launch xterm :) | 22:59 |
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| oshin | hmmm someone post the link to stellarium deb i shared here from my box :) | 23:04 |
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| oshin | http://lovenacky.endofinternet.org/~id/stellarium_mobile_1_0_3_113373.deb | 23:15 |
| oshin | can someone verify that i put some message? | 23:16 |
| oshin | to replace the deb. | 23:16 |
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| oshin | I am not Matan btw | 23:18 |
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| javispedro | good. | 23:19 |
| oshin | didn't know the link i posted here would pop up on tmo like that | 23:19 |
| oshin | Matan, it's okay BTW, if you are around. | 23:20 |
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| javispedro | seems that you do need "Exec" even if X-Osso-Service is specified. | 23:22 |
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| vdv | i'm connected from my n900 to pc (linux) via usb, i've enabled usb networking, i can ping and ssh in both directions, now the question is how can i redirect traffic from n900 to ethernet on my pc (and also in other direction)? | 23:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | tiy neab tiy wabt ti yse youe n900 to actr as a modem to get to the internet? | 23:36 |
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| Myrtti | SpeedEvil: don't drink and derive | 23:40 |
| oshin | vdv, you have to do routing or masquerading on your PC to make your PC act like gateway for the N900 | 23:41 |
| oshin | on the vice-versa I think you need power-kernel | 23:42 |
| ieatlint | no, he doesn't need power kernel for that | 23:42 |
| ieatlint | on the n900 itself, you just need to set the route | 23:43 |
| oshin | ieatlint, can default kernel do masquerading? | 23:43 |
| oshin | or ip forwarding? | 23:43 |
| ieatlint | no, it can't, but the masquerading occurs on the pc in that configuration | 23:43 |
| oshin | no i was talking about vice-versa ie PC->n900->internet | 23:43 |
| oshin | or i use wrong word? | 23:44 |
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| oshin | not native english speaker sorry. | 23:44 |
| ieatlint | well, to "redirect traffic from n900 to ethernet on my pc" would be n900->pc->internet | 23:44 |
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| ieatlint | although he does specify also in the other direction, in which case he would indeed need the power kernel | 23:44 |
| oshin | n900->pc->internet would never need any kernel. | 23:45 |
| oshin | i mean, it still need default kernel. | 23:45 |
| oshin | :) | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | yeah, that was my comment | 23:45 |
| oshin | ok | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | the masquerading would be on the pc | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | stock kernel on n900 would work for that | 23:45 |
| ieatlint | yeah, we're both saying the same thing, just misunderstanding each other :P | 23:46 |
| oshin | heheeh | 23:46 |
| intelinsider | mh | 23:53 |
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