IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-08-02

kerioluke-jr: or using 3 badly overclocked PIIIs, and checking the answer00:00
kerioat the same time, like a single cpu with redundancy00:00
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kerioP3s rule00:03
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tybolltthis wifi bug is really killing me00:17
tybolltgod darn00:17
tybolltNookla needs to get the *** out of their *** and fix that... sigh... not a new maemo release just give us a bug fix to non working wifi and all is well00:18
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ShadowJKwhat wifi bug?00:19
DocScrutinizer51wifi WFM00:20
tybolltsjk: After <insert random time period> connected to wifi it just magically stops working00:20
tybolltfor no good reason00:20
DocScrutinizer51never happened here00:20
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tybolltconnect to 3G and connect back to the wifi - works again00:20
lbtJaffa: ping00:21
tybolltnow I have measured and I know that every inch of my apt is very well covered signal wise so it can't be that.00:21
lbtwho edits mwn as well as Jaffa ?00:21
Kht_n900Hi !00:21
DocScrutinizer51tybollt: sounds like losing DHCP lease, or even credentials for WEP/WPA00:21
ShadowJKI take it that "connect to wifi" means that his connection drops, and can't reconnect00:22
ShadowJKnot that it silently stops working00:22
tybolltwhat does "can't reconnect" mean?00:22
ShadowJKThough disconnecting entirely like when going to 3g has the side effect of unloading the driver I think :)00:22
tybolltwhy can't it reconnect?00:22
tybolltanyway I heard GAN report something very similar to this so thought it was a known issue00:23
DocScrutinizer51how the hell shall *we* now?00:23
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DocScrutinizer51nothing in syslog?00:24
tybolltDocScrutinizer51: dhcp lease... doubt it very much :)00:24
DocScrutinizer51what's your router/AP saying?00:24
tybolltbut the losing wpa credentials - how'd that work?00:24
tybolltthe AP is dumb so doesn't say anything really00:25
ShadowJKI think that the bug where wifi is left consuming huge amounts of power despite phone using cellular data is a known WONTFIX bug ;p00:25
tybolltbut fair enough I'll go ahead and debug that then :)00:25
DocScrutinizer51much similar to dhcp. you got a wpa lease for a certain duration and you need to renew afaik00:25
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tybolltDocScrutinizer51: funny I don't see that on my laptop on the same network, ehr... on my laptop*s* :)00:26
nox-yeah you can set the ap to rekey after some time...00:26
tybolltolrite that may be a clue then, will see about that00:27
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ShadowJKBut like, when he tries to connect it'd get a new WPA lease wouldn't it?00:28
tybolltsjk: The point is... if I read you correctly... the reloading of the driver (basically glorified insmod/modloads) is what reestablishes the connectiong?00:29
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DocScrutinizershould, but when things go nuts because of e.g PSM00:29
habmalaHi all, sorry for jumping in like this ;) (I know it can be annoying) I'm looking for an old forum thread but cant find it, what I need to know is where to place an icon that should be recognised by a .desktop file00:30
habmalaand sorry for the long post ;) thanks in advance..00:30
ShadowJKtybollt, that's my guess00:30
ShadowJKtybollt, but I still don't know whether your issue is that N900 thinks it's connected when it's not00:30
ShadowJKor that it's disconnected and thinks it's disconnected and can't either find AP or connect to AP when you try00:30
tybolltit doies think it is connected, the connection one is the one hilighted in the data-connection selection display00:31
DocScrutinizerso connection stalls00:32
DocScrutinizermuch like it does when PSM goes apeshit00:32
DocScrutinizerAP kicking device out of ARP table due to not answering ARP request. Or failing lease renewal, for whatever, there are several possible causes for that00:33
DocScrutinizerpower saving mode00:33
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DocScrutinizerthe thing where AP and device agree on sleeping for 5s now, and during that AP is buffering packets addressed for device00:34
nox-that wifi-using-power wontfix bug, is that bc it tries to reconnect to wifi to save 3g bw?00:34
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ShadowJKok if it thinks it's connected, but no data flows, then I'd try with medium powersaving instead of the high powersaving00:35
ShadowJKnox-, dunno, it's left always scanning or always listening or something when it's supposed to just activate once every 5 minutes for a quick scan... or something like that00:35
nox-oh hm00:35
ShadowJKdunno, I just ifconfig wlan0 down when it happens :)00:35
nox-sounds broken00:36
DocScrutinizermight be related to a connection config in N900 having "hidden" property00:37
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tybolltDocScrutinizer51: you mean if the network is set to not broadcast SSID?00:37
DocScrutinizerfor AP with hidden SSID the device needs to actively ping them to query if they are one of the known AP with hidden SSID00:37
tybolltso that's likely my problem00:38
tybolltand really s/hidden/non advertised/00:38
DocScrutinizerso if you got both a network connection with hidden SSID configured on your device, and an AP with hidden SSID in vicinity, there might start doom00:38
tybolltfair enough00:39
tybolltnow to figure out why only N900 and not ERANGE other wifi consumers does this :)00:39
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DocScrutinizermaybe they do?00:40
habmalamight have fonund it, tnx anyway ;)00:40
nox-it could still only ping the `hidden' ap(s) every 5min like it does check the other wifi notworks00:41
DocScrutinizeryep, sure00:42
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DocScrutinizerbut probably there are ways to easily introduce a bug there, like not asigning a tag "ignore" to AP MAC that didn't respond nicely to a query00:43
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DocScrutinizerfigure the list has primary key ESSID00:44
DocScrutinizerinstead of MAC00:44
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DocScrutinizerI noticed my laptop going stale/confused on multiple AP with identical SSID as well. Couldn't associate by MAC00:45
DocScrutinizermaybe a bug in WPA-supplicant or whatever00:46
DocScrutinizermultiple AP with hidden SSID will create same issue, just one magnitude of escalation worse :-P00:47
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DocScrutinizerwell in the end you get what you deserve, hidden SSID are *strongly* deprecated :-P00:50
tybollthuh what?00:50
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tybolltwhy is hidden ssid wrong?00:51
tybolltor non broadcasted/advertised ssid00:51
DocScrutinizerintroduces a number of vulnerabilities00:51
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DocScrutinizerwhile not adding a single bit of useful additinal security or whatever00:52
VenemoDocScrutinizer: this is a surprise for me00:52
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tybolltanyone using this? :S
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keriowhat are those "buttons" for?00:55
kerioand where's the space for the led00:55
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kerioand how are you going to open the camera lid00:55
kerioand wtf, how do you open the kbd00:55
tybolltI was hoping someone'd tell me :D00:55
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nid0generic picture is generic?00:56
tybolltnid0: could be00:56
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DocScrutinizerwrong picture or wrong brain00:57
DocScrutinizeroops sory I picked my dog's brain this morning, left mine at home00:58
DocScrutinizermybe s/dog/canary bird/00:59
cehtehmy self build case is the best anyways :P01:01
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smharhow to copy  select and copy text from a webpage in Firefox in N900?01:06
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tybolltso anyone tried a black silicone based cover for N900?01:09
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timeless_mbpsmhar: does ctrl-a work?01:15
nox-<DocScrutinizer> I noticed my laptop going stale/confused on multiple AP with identical SSID as well. Couldn't associate by MAC - how does n900 cope with that?01:15
DocScrutinizernox-: never tried, there's no more AP with hidden SSID around here, and I don't need to use the AP of my neighbours anymore01:17
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nox-heh ok01:18
nox-i guess if it goes by signal strength maybe thats even `good enough'...01:18
DocScrutinizerSo I didn't even try to associate to an open AP with non-unique name01:18
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DocScrutinizerbut, in the end, for all AP with identical SSID they are supposed to form a network with same credentials and WPA/DHCP lease handover. So how would that be different on APs with shared SSID <hidden>01:20
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DocScrutinizerIt can not work01:21
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technomikeUnable to install Extra protocol support for Conversations and Contacts (MSN)01:24
technomikeI wonder why though :S01:24
crashanddielmao, in CSI, some powerdrill killed its owner because the power cable had been reversed, and it hence was "reversed polarity"... On a 110, alternative current power cable xD01:24
lbtdon't laugh... it could happen....01:25
technomikehahahahaa really am lmao here01:25
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nox-lbt, i thought only on three-phase power?01:25
DocScrutinizerCSI, so close to reality the police gets nervous about gangsters gathering too much knowledge - YEAH01:25
nox-hehe yeah01:25
lbtnox-: you can't reverse three phase, silly... there's an odd number of wired01:26
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nox-no but if you connect the phases wrong a motor might run reverse01:26
DocScrutinizernox-: absolutely01:27
DocScrutinizerin german it's called phase direction01:27
DocScrutinizeror rotation direction (sic!)01:28
mkargari have n900!i deleted rare mp3 from my n900!how to i want recover it?01:28
keriooh noes01:28
smhartimeless_mbp, I want a small selected text only not the whole page01:29
tybolltmkargar: riight click the tashbin and choose undelte... ... oh wait...01:29
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: it gets even more fun when you move the phase by 60 degrees on two phases, but not the third one... Mechanical fireworks01:29
DocScrutinizernox-: there's even 3-phase plugs that have a switch for that :-P01:29
lbtmkargar: was it stored on the SD?01:29
lbtthat's FAT32 and you may have some luck using an undelete tool...01:29
nox-if it was on the 32G partition or sdhc card those should be vfat so possibly recoverable by something like photorec or what it was called01:30
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lbtit's gone then01:30
DocScrutinizerseem to remember some killer swapped phase and PE on the plug of a drilling machine. Was that also CSI?01:31
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tybollthmm lots of gems at tmo :)01:32
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tybolltdid jacek try flash 10 btw?01:32
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: yeah, on top of a in-construction prison01:32
tybolltwhat happened?01:32
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: I'm watching it now01:32
mkargarplease help me?01:32
nox-mkargar, not even the MyDocs partition?01:33
DocScrutinizerlbt: eMMC also FAT3201:33
crashanddieanyway, low battery, I should turn my laptop off before Hollywood predicts my death through electromagnetic induction of my testicles. Later01:33
keriowtf... i can't access MyDocs through storage mode :|01:33
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kerioit's correctly unmounted on the n90001:34
mkargarnox-:yes!I have mydoc partition!01:34
nox-mkargar, if the mp3 was on there try something like `photorec'01:35
nox-no guarantee but it `might' work...01:35
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DocScrutinizerfor mp3?01:35
nox-well there may be others too01:35
lcukphotorec has a group of recognition plugins afaik01:36
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DocScrutinizermc has unearse for ext2/ext3 :-/01:36
mkargarnox-:photorec is recovery tool?01:36
nox-yeah for fat at least afaik01:37
lcukyes, and mp3 is on the list01:37
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DocScrutinizerprobably best is to plug into a windows PC and use native windows tools for unerasing files on vfat01:37
* lcuk nods01:37
lcukwhy has this one file only got one home if its rare?01:38
nox-yeah just what i was thinking...  `data thats not backed up isnt important by definition'01:38
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keriofucking automount fail01:39
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lcuki can understand if it was created on the device01:39
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lcukand not had a chance to be gotten off yet01:39
asjlcuk: they claim to reover files with known headers, and then said *.txt files :)01:41
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lcukasj, sure, its scanning for filenames - windows is clever like that :P01:42
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keriolcuk: are you claiming there's a better way to distinguish a file's type than a TLA?01:42
mkargarnox-:ok!in fact,my problem not rare mp3!i recorded audio file by ''recorder'' program and saved it with ''file'' name!since of 5 min,i recorded another audio by ''recorder;; app!in proccessing  save file,i choose same name(file) and it rewriten on the first audio file!but,i have firs recorded audio!!how to recover it?01:43
* lcuk still gets confused by the linux mechanism of no extension requirement and shebangs (tho very very powerful)01:43
nox-mkargar, oooh so you wrote over the same file :(01:43
lcukkerio, in windows at least i can know at a glance that an apple is an apple01:43
nox-mkargar, as fat doesnt to cow like say zfs, id say the data is gone01:44
lcukmkargar, you messed up now01:44
lcukthats not the same as deletion01:44
mkargarnox-:*iwant first recorded audio!01:44
keriomkargar: tough luck01:44
kerionext time, be more careful and make copies01:44
lcukdeletion invalidates just the link entry01:44
lcukwriting stuff over it may infact vape the data01:45
nox-if the first recording was longer maybe the end is still readable if find its `clusters'...01:45
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lcukand no1 will know what01:45
nox-if you01:45
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keriocan the default mediaplayer open apple lossless files?01:45
lcukheh. listen to the whole device as audio01:45
lcukand see whether your ears explode first01:45
keriolcuk: hahaha01:45
lcukor you encounter the fragment01:45
lcukbut its mp301:46
lcukso you are looking for frames (you said it was mp3?)01:46
lcukwhich would be even worse01:46
keriomp123 /dev/mmcblk001:46
kerioeventually you'll hit it! :D01:46
mkargarnox-:please help me?is it imposible recover it?01:47
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keriocan the deault media player read apple lossless or m4a/aac?01:47
lcukmkargar, do not write anything else to the disk01:48
nox-mkargar, if the first recording was longer than the second then the end of the first one may still be on the flash01:48
lcukcontact a data recovery specialist01:48
nox-or at least dd the fs to an image on a pc and use that for recovery01:49
nox-copies of that...01:49
mkargarnox-:yes!first file was 88 min!second file is 6sec!01:49
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nox-kerio, aac i think it can01:51
kerioapple lossless? :301:51
nox-if not maybe try mplayer?01:51
kerionox-: that would be cheating01:52
kerioalso vlc > mplayer01:52
kerioPROVE ME WRONG01:52
nox-does vlc run on n900 too?01:52
nox-oh heh01:52
keriono frontend01:52
lcukmkargar, try the suggestions here, take a backup and run the photorec tool.  see if it does anything and magically brings it back01:52
lcukbut stop bloody writing to that disk01:52
nox-and in this case backup == image01:53
lcukyes dd it01:53
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technomikeI love my N900, I use it for practically everything. If I could, I would use it to cook my meals, etc. There is probably a way to get it to cook, I mean, it does everything else...01:54
mkargarlcuk:ok!i install photorec!01:54
lcukthere is at least one cooking recipe app01:54
lcukhildonised and optimised afaik :)01:54
nox-the touchscreen may not like dirty hands tho :)01:55
lcukmm voice control?01:55
lcuk"computer, make me bacon"01:56
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keriotechnomike: well, duh01:56
lcukARGHGGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i said make me bacon, not make me into bacon01:56
kerioread the linux-coffee howto and port bacon on it01:56
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lcukwe had bacon butties as the food at the wedding rececption this weekend.  was the most awesome wedding reception i have ever been to01:57
DocScrutinizerspeech recog lib -where? when? why not yet?01:57
lcukDocScrutinizer, because only future computers have viable speech recog, but we need proper star trek communicator phone app once all the stuff gets open source01:58
lcukincluding needing to flip it open using an accelometer gesture01:58
lcuknot just land/port01:58
DocScrutinizerhmm, voice dialing and cmd seems to work pretty nice on N9501:58
lcuk"computer phone see dive"01:59
lcuk"formatting c drive now"01:59
DocScrutinizersome 10 years ago I had a linux app that was able to learn 16 words, and sometimes even recognize them correctly01:59
DocScrutinizervanished into oblivion :-(02:00
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keriothe n900 has no voice dialing ._.02:01
lcukDocScrutinizer, perhaps the problem is not trying to recognise things and fit input into boxes in a usual manner, its about adding context to the things it hears02:01
lcukkerio, temporary problem, i bet its feasible :P02:01
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DocScrutinizerI'd be more than happy with nato alphabet plus alternate, control, escape, enter, backspace02:02
DocScrutinizermaybe plus 0..902:03
DocScrutinizersome special chars, like + - $ * # /02:03
DocScrutinizerno context, PLEASE!02:03
nox-having to spell out everything sounds slow tho02:04
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tybolltheh my gps thingy for the car has an amazing voice discovery02:05
tybolltbasically never fails02:05
asjvoice discovery?02:06
tybollteh it's too late for me :) voice recognition/voice input system...02:07
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DocScrutinizerI don't mind a <press button> "alternate" >alternate on<, "delta" >dial command on, tell first char<, "whiskey" >double-u, 16 contacts<, "echo" >double-u eh, 1 contact<, "enter" >dialing contact 'Werner', number: 1, 3, 2, 2...<02:08
lcukDocScrutinizer, i mean context as in your input, you specify what an utterance means02:08
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DocScrutinizerobviously alternate-D means dial, in example above02:09
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asjtybollt: ah ok02:12
asjtybollt: my car isn't bad either02:12
DocScrutinizerlcuk: you got the context problem all the time, no matter which MMI you use02:12
kerio"N900, kill Flanders"02:14
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DocScrutinizerhell, even my 10 years old 6210 knows how to dial one of 10 contacts that have spoken name trained. And it does that rather reliably (in silent environment)02:15
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cehtehsomewhere i seen a pocket-sphinx port for the n900 .. without any useable apps around :/02:16
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DocScrutinizerN95 recognizes contact names without any training, neither for correct pronounciation of contact names nor for speaker02:16
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DocScrutinizerso given the facts there's absolutely zero OS specific code in such a speech recognition function - except interfacing to audio for recording, and that's quite simple enough - why doesn'r Nokia bother to port that symbian speech recog to N900, I mean there's other closed source apps you need to install as a blob, so it can't be copyright issues or anything02:21
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derfLicensing issues, probably.02:22
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derfI doubt they own all the code.02:22
DocScrutinizerblah, the LICENCE IT, NOKIA! you got the money02:22
ShadowJKI doubt they wrote any of it :P02:22
DocScrutinizerI bet they didn't02:23
DocScrutinizeras they didn't write a sngle line of code for bme02:23
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asjI wonder if it's a service that wasn't used very much02:25
asjI know I tried it on my Symbian phones, then found the user interface to the voice recognition useless and never used it again02:25
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DocScrutinizerasj: the point is on N900 the users are in cntrol over the user interface, if only Nokia would provide the lib02:26
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DocScrutinizerso probably the chance to put this tho proper use and usability first time ever02:27
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asjDocScrutinizer: are there no oss options?02:28
DocScrutinizernever found any. There are ultraheavy universitary projects for full text recognition but nothing simple and lightweight02:29
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DocScrutinizeras mentioned above, 10 years ago there was an app that could learn like 16 words02:30
DocScrutinizermore like a PoC02:30
nox-looks like this is opensource?02:31
mortiniDocScrutinizer: i remember seeing something about even the commercial speech recognition stuff has stalled since  the early 2k's02:32
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DocScrutinizernox-: seems like that's one of the 2 much-too-heavy univeritary projects02:33
nox-maybe the algos are just complex...02:33
DocScrutinizeryep, as it's true speech-to-text, not a simple recognition of a limited set of words02:34
nox-aah ok02:34
DocScrutinizerS2T never worked THAT great02:35
nox-still theres something called `pocketsphinx' so it might run on n900...02:35
mortiniprobably not a lot of comercial good in it, either, since the delta between what's possible and what it'd take to be profitable is probably pretty large.02:35
DocScrutinizeras you always run into the context problem changing meaning and thus spelling of similarly sounding words02:35
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nox-yeah tho i guess context is also used to improve recognition rates02:36
DocScrutinizeron "dial number - - Werner - - OK" there's just as much context02:37
DocScrutinizeror "start application -- xchat - - OK"02:37
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DocScrutinizer"set alarm - - one, two, oh, oh -- OK"02:38
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keriorsync to sync music through usb is fucking awesome02:40
kerioi'm scared of unplugging my usb cable now02:41
keriotracker :(02:41
keriois there a way to stop it and force it to start from the absolute scratch?02:42
DocScrutinizerjust forgot how02:43
BugBluersync? yes but why?02:43
kerioBugBlue: what else?02:43
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BugBluejust start it again and rsync will make sure what needs to be transfered02:44
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kerionot the transfer02:47
keriothe stupid tracker02:47
kerioi know rsync is smart enough to figure all things by himself02:47
kerio(except that vfat is stupid so it needs a bigger time window and that os x is stupid so it needs to exclude .DS_Store)02:48
kerioWHAT CAN I DO02:48
lcuktell people to optimise their apps so they dont waste cpu or battery02:51
keriolcuk: *hahahahahaha*02:52
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cehtehkerio: rsync -P  for once ..02:52
cehtehand use another filesystem than fat :P02:52
cehteh(well there is some parameter for rsync to support some timestamp fuzz)02:53
kerioyeah, i'll just reformat MyDocs to use ext202:53
kerioand -P just tells him to continue where he left off02:53
keriowhich is *useless* since it's a local transfer02:53
cehtehurgs .. why not ext3 or ext4? :P02:53
nox-is ext3 really better for flash?02:54
kerioubifs is good for flash02:55
cehtehits better optimized meanwhile .. and the writes to the log are neglectible02:55
kerioor so i heard02:55
cehtehubifs is for raw flash, not mmc/sd02:55
cehtehthe root filesystem is ubifs but you cant use that on blockdevices02:56
cehtehext4 will only work with an extended kernel, just for the record (anyways, i use it)02:57
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DocScrutinizernox-: >>...and is successfully used on IPhone, Nokia Maemon devices and on Windows Mobile.<< (pocketsphinx)02:58
DocScrutinizerlooks like the text itself was dictated using sphinx :-P the "typos" are phonetic, like "ariphmetics"02:59
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Skynetscouple of questions03:00
Skynetsgood app manager alternative03:00
asjSkynets: fapman03:00
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Skynetssrsly guys03:00
DocScrutinizerwhat now?03:01
Skynetsits called fapman03:01
cehtehDocScrutinizer: yestereday while biking i could have used a sphinx input method for xchat03:01
Skynetsim in "all"03:01
Skynetscant see fapan03:01
asjSkynets: "faster application manager"03:01
cehtehFaster Application Manager03:01
* DocScrutinizer sighs03:02
kerioawesome program, awesomer name03:02
* kerio is easily amused03:02
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Skynetscant find it....03:03
DocScrutinizernox-: last time I checked there was only sphinx3 & 4, no pocketsphinx :-D03:03
SkynetsMAEMO EXTRAS DEVEL = failed to refresh03:03
DocScrutinizerretry in 2 hours03:04
nox-ah same issue i have with the tools repo03:04
Skynetsis there any other repos i should add03:04
DocScrutinizerakamei is out for getting new beer03:04
Skynetsthat are not for maemo03:04
Skynetslike ones with roms03:04
Skynetsand ports03:04
Skynetsand apps that arent in the maemo repos03:05
nox-had to manually grab traceroute tcpdump less using the pc and scp them to the phone03:05
cehtehDocScrutinizer: pocketsphinx was somewhere mentioned on t.m.o iirc not packaged for an official repo but available on some webpage03:05
nox-and dpkg -i... :/03:05
cehteh(official including community repos)03:05
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Skynetsmy otrher question is.... how can i access a windows shared folder from the n90003:11
DocScrutinizerhmmm, integrating pocketsphinx into keyboard driver, appstarter, etc might make a nice project, indeed03:12
DocScrutinizers/etc/dialer, contacts, etc/03:12
infobotDocScrutinizer meant: hmmm, integrating pocketsphinx into keyboard driver, appstarter, dialer, contacts, etc might make a nice project, indeed03:12
DocScrutinizermediaplayer \o/03:13
DocScrutinizer"skip to next song"03:13
DocScrutinizer"playback album vision thing"03:14
nox-btw re mediaplayer...  can you tell it to play an albin in track order instead of alphabetically?03:15
nox-album even03:15
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DocScrutinizerlol, good question03:15
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DocScrutinizer01 - Jihad, 02 - Colors, 03 - Giving Ground, 04 - Finland Red, Egypt White, 05 - Rain From Heaven03:18
DocScrutinizerWFM :-P03:19
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nox-yeah but that requires retagging then right?  (not just renaming)03:20
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Skynetsis there an alternative to the media player?03:22
Skynetswith an equalizer03:22
sheepbatsymfonie has one03:23
sheepbataudio only though03:23
exelerois possible to use gps in offline mode?03:25
nox-i think you can get a fix, but not use the mapping app03:26
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cehtehexelero: yes, takes long to get a fix and dont move the device until you have a fix (thats faster than)03:27
cehtehand dont use ovi maps :P03:27
exeleroand is possible to view output of gps in xterminal?03:27
cehtehmappero works fine some weeks ago i biked through france entirely offline (preloaded maps)03:27
cehtehthere are some apps for that, dunno about direct gps from console but there is a gps loggger and a minigpsd03:28
cehtehand a handful other apps03:28
Macerhow do i initiate a skype video call?03:28
Macerit doesnt seem to want to do it03:28
Macerif someone calls me and does it... it works03:29
cehtehMacer: if you partner has video capabiliity it shows that03:29
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Macerthey do03:29
cehtehin the contacts app 'make video call'03:29
Macerthey just called me and it popped up03:29
Macerbut my n900 isnt picking up on their vid stuff03:29
cehtehworks for me03:29
Macerlet me see again03:30
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lcukisnt luke-jr doing some console gps dump thing?03:31
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cehtehhe was playing with reverse engineer gps access on the lowest level ..03:31
cehtehgetting data out from the normal api is way easier03:32
cehtehiirc you can query it by dbus03:32
lcukgod damned cigs, why when i reach for a pack i realise i already finished them and have to make rollups03:32
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* lcuk buys emergency pack of readymades03:32
Skynetsdamn transfer speeds from pc to the n900 by wifi are SLOWWWW03:33
Skynetslike 400kb/s03:33
Macergot it03:33
Macerhad to readd the field03:33
exelerolet's test my speed03:33
Macerawesome. works good over 3G03:34
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exelerolinux/maemo is not compatible with WPA2 crypt. of wireles ??03:34
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exeleroall times i can't connect from my phone(n900) or ubuntu to my adhock wireles network :)03:35
exelerowith wpa03:35
exeleroonly on WEP03:35
exelero.. :-<03:35
cehtehwpa works for me03:35
cehtehpower saving on the highest setting doesnt work with my ap03:36
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asjwpa2 works for me03:48
Sho_Anyone familiar with the problem that the latest Pidgin for Diablo has broken status bar icons?03:48
exeleroSkynets, my speed on wireles lan , 500kb/s(upload) and 1700kb/s(download) with winscp03:49
exelero0,5MB up , 1,7MB down03:49
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mortinithat's what she said?03:50
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luke-jrMacer: hahahaha03:51
luke-jrlcuk: cehteh: low-level GPS dump to stdout working 100% now; NMEA output for gpsd working ~90%03:51
Macerwhat is funny?03:53
Macerit worked great03:53
Maceri was vid chatting with my son who is at my parents house now03:53
Macerhopefully skype didnt hijack my 3G sppeds :-P03:54
* DocScrutinizer wonders how to access GPS when rapuyama is off (which it is supposed to be in offline mode)03:54
DocScrutinizermaybe AT+CFUN=003:54
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: NFC what rapuyama is03:55
luke-jrnor any of that AT nonsense03:55
luke-jrprobably can't then03:56
DocScrutinizerGPS connected to modem connected to AP03:56
DocScrutinizermodem off -> no access to GPS03:56
nox-rapuyama is the 3g modem?03:56
luke-jrAP = Access Point03:56
DocScrutinizerApplication Processor03:56
luke-jrdon't make conflicting acronyms03:56
MohammadAG51A Prick03:56
luke-jrSoC or OMAP works fine03:57
DocScrutinizerat+cfun=? sets modem fnctions to several power down modes03:57
luke-jrI wrote a blob to low-level initialize rapuyama03:57
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: nothing I have seen uses AT commands…03:58
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luke-jrat least, it works for me03:58
DocScrutinizerok, 0x34FF2A001D2FAC002A then03:58
luke-jrno idea if anyone else tested it03:58
luke-jrwtf is that03:58
GeneralAntillesIs DataViz just distributing a .deb for docs to go?03:59
DocScrutinizerwell, for you it doesn't mean anything more than any AT nonsense03:59
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: it's a blob because I just took strace output and ported it to C03:59
Macerwhats with the phone not showing videos recorded by the cam on the tv out?03:59
DocScrutinizerfor others AT nonsense is more legible than any hexdump of rapuyama mmap interface04:00
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: irrelevant when N900 doesn't use AT nonsense04:00
luke-jris this rapuyama protocol documented anywhere btw?04:01
* DocScrutinizer frowns04:01
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: I'm just to lazy to use an epic length explanation of the concepts of soft-off in modems, when I can say AT+CFUN instead, which is a tag to summarize all the concepts that are behind that, no matter if communicated to modem in hex, binary, AT, or tonal04:03
DocScrutinizeror by pulling strings04:04
DocScrutinizerof course I'm well aware the only thing that talks AT is the braindamaged pnatd04:05
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DocScrutinizerand I'd really like it to have AT commands for engineering mode (%EM) and also for talking to GPS (whatever those might be in the sane world)04:09
DocScrutinizerin pnatd04:10
luke-jrwtf is pnatd? ☺04:10
DocScrutinizerAT nonsense04:10
* nox- is somehow reminded of `winmodems'...04:13
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luke-jrwinmodem == telephony card04:19
luke-jrit's really not Windows' fault that Linux still has no software modem stack04:19
LiraNunahow can I profile on the N900?04:19
LiraNunaso I need debug versions on dependent libraries?04:20
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Skynetsdoes the n900 repo work now04:24
Skynetsto get that fap app04:25
Skynetsextras devel repo or something like that was down04:27
Skynetscouldnt get fapman04:27
Skynetsor fapapp04:27
Skynetsor wtv its called04:27
microliththe repos haven't been down in a while, iirc04:28
microlithoh, faster application manager04:28
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Skynetsnitdroid couldnt come at a better time04:30
SkynetsGO DJSTEVE04:30
nox-microlith, apt-get update so far only got 404 on the tools repo at least04:30
* microlith doesn't have tools on his device04:30
nox-microlith, manual downloading of debs worked so i guess its some akamai issue...04:30
luke-jrSkynets: as if NITdroid works04:35
Skynetswhat do u mean04:35
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n900-spacehi all05:14
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n900-spacewhen we take the backup and select "communication and calendar", all the conversations r backed up right?05:16
matthew-SpeedEvil: Heyo05:16
matthew-You're good?05:16
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matthew-Long time no speak05:16
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SpeedEvilmatthew-: Not especially good no. But mostly OK.05:40
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CasTTeLLohi Ken-Young06:20
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* CasTTeLLo q[^_^]p06:20
CasTTeLLolooking for Malaysia users..06:22
CasTTeLLoso silent06:24
Ken-YoungEurope is asleep.06:24
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CasTTeLLoyeah u r rite06:24
CasTTeLLoso u r from??06:25
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Ken-YoungCambridge, MA, USA.06:25
Ken-YoungAre you in Malaysia?06:25
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ptmn_chmoki svem v etom chatike07:22
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Turksanyone mind answering a maemo 4.x question regarding usb host mode?07:58
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Jaffalbt: GeneralAntilles08:50
Stskeepsmorn jaffa08:50
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meceback at work. Bleh :/09:24
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meceThanks Stskeeps. 6 weeks of sunny weather in the archipelago does not do well for motivation apparently.09:26
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LiraNunaLiraNuna> how can I profile on the N900?09:50
LiraNuna<luke-jr> gprof?09:50
rmrfchikheh, MWKN link in RSS looks like
LiraNunawhere can I find that ON the N900?09:50
rmrfchikwhich gives directory listing09:50
luke-jrLiraNuna: emerge gprof09:50
LiraNunaluke-jr, ahha09:51
LiraNunanot all are running gentoo on our N900s09:52
luke-jryour loss09:53
LiraNunaluke-jr, I'd like to use my N900 as a functional phone09:53
LiraNunayou know, you make calls09:53
luke-jrhaven't found an OS for it that does that yet09:53
timeless_mbpLiraNuna:  end user!09:54
* timeless_mbp looks for an end-user-begone09:54
LiraNunaluke-jr, maemo does it pretty well09:54
luke-jrLiraNuna: nah, Maemo takes 5-10 seconds from when it starts ringing until you can answer the call09:54
LiraNunayeah there aer problems09:54
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LiraNunamy spelling is shit today09:55
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meceFree Heroes 2 passed extas QA, but the demodata package is still missing votes. So I think I'll wait for that. What do you think?09:58
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pebmorning ..10:02
mecegood morning10:02
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n900-spacehey everyone10:12
n900-spaceneed to confirm one thing10:12
n900-spacefor the emmc flash10:12
n900-spacei have downloaded the latest vanilla version of emmc10:13
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n900-spaceand now downloading the latest pr 1.210:13
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n900-spaceso following the instructions here
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n900-spacei'm supposed to update the flash the device with the latest pr1.2 first10:14
n900-spacewithout the R switch10:14
n900-spaceand then flash the emmc ?10:14
n900-spaceand thats it right ?10:14
sobczykhi is there a way to recover IM passwords on n900?10:14
n900-spacewithout rebooting in between10:14
timeless_mbpas long as you flash both w/o rebooting between10:14
sobczykspecifically viop password10:14
timeless_mbpsobczyk: most stuff is in gconf10:14
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timeless_mbpyour password is there10:17
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sobczyktimeless_mbp: already checked that, there is all except passwords in that file10:19
timeless_mbpwell, i have 3 passwords in that file10:20
timeless_mbp2 gtalks and a skype10:20
* timeless_mbp goes fishing10:20
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girishranyone has experience with arm/neon ?10:21
timeless_mbpi learned to dislike both10:21
timeless_mbpdo i get points for that? :)10:21
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sobczyktimeless_mbp: I can't find any passwords there :(10:26
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timeless_mbpmy passwords might be from 1.010:27
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timeless_mbp should indicate where they are10:31
timeless_mbpbut it's a long thread and i don't believe tmo exists10:31
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sobczykbrowsing that one10:31
Khertanhaha ... i wanted to vote for free heroes ...10:33
Khertanbut login / pass didn't work10:33
KhertanIf you just created your account in, try again in a few minutes.Thank you.10:33
meceKhertan, doh10:33
Khertanhéhé normal i didn't have garage account10:33
meceKhertan, this one needs votes..10:33
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Khertanyep but i can't :)10:34
Khertanand will not create a garage account just for voting :)10:34
meceany super testers on here?10:34
Khertansorry i delete mine to protest again maemo extra repository10:34
Khertanand their qa :)10:34
meceAlready got 2 supertester votes on the demodata package.10:34
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meceKhertan, The supertester bit is a big help.10:35
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Khertansupertester ?10:36
Khertanwhat s ?10:36
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mecepeople whose votes count for more. you need only 3 supertester votes to pass qa10:37
Khertanhow many people have this supertester bits ?10:38
MohammadAG4 I think10:38
Khertanand how there are choosen ?10:38
Khertan4 only ... haha10:38
MohammadAGI could be wrong you know :)10:38
Khertanyes :)10:38
* MohammadAG continues his search for an online kernel source10:39
meceMohammadAG, you're wrong :
* Khertan will try his obs compiled package on n90010:39
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meceKhertan, whats OBS?10:40
MohammadAGmece, hmm, only 3 there10:40
Khertanlol and torpedo48 as supertester10:40
Khertanthe guys which report many false error on many package10:40
Khertanepicfail again10:40
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Khertanopen build service10:41
meceMohammadAG, and it has passed, so only 3 needed.10:41
meceKhertan, interesting :)10:41
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Khertan:) in testing ... few people have access10:42
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Khertanbut you can ask for i think10:42
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MohammadAGcompiz crashed grr10:43
fralshmm vdvsx is a supertester.. need to go poke him to vote for fmms :P10:43
meceMohammadAG, how'd you manage that?10:44
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fralsmece: does the 4 "supertester" votes bypass the 10d quarantine?10:45
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iPeter-is there any way to disable in opera that mobile thing, i hate when i go to google and it turns to mobile google10:46
timeless_mbphrm, they must be hidden by mission control10:46
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mecefrals, I doubt that. But I hope it does.10:47
mecefrals, and it's 3 super testers, not 4 :)10:47
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fralsmece: alright, please let me know if you find out :)10:53
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meceachipa, very well put:
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meceachipa_zzz, that is :D10:59
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crashanddieis any one else reading "achipizza" for some reason?11:12
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lcukmorning #maemo \o11:20
MohammadAG51alterego, ping11:20
MohammadAG51morning lcuk11:20
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mecelcuk o/11:21
ThoMei would like use java on my phone11:21
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ThoMei have icedtea6 installe11:22
ThoMebut i can't use java in my browser :-(11:22
jacekowskithere is no plugin for that11:22
ThoMejacekowski: and for a another java-version?11:22
jacekowskithere is not enough memory for java shit11:22
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rmrfchikjacekowski: don't tell that to my SE z710i with 1Mb RAM ;)11:27
rmrfchikIt even has 3d in java.11:28
rmrfchikThat's ME, of course11:28
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fralsmornin lcuk o/11:29
jacekowskirmrfchik: java != java ME11:29
jacekowskithat's so much different11:29
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MohammadAG51~seen noobmonk3y11:34
infobotnoobmonk3y <c2b06924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 22h 47m 13s ago, saying: 'akshey: joiku has improved alot - manaed to use it for a weekend a few weeks ago and dloaded 2.8gb in the weekend with over 8 people connected :)'.11:34
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rmrfchikjacekowski: that's a demagogism i think. technically you can get java se on N900 hardware with reasonable speed. Not with maemo/icedtea btw11:34
jacekowskiyou would need jazelle support11:35
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achipamece: thx11:44
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MiXu-Any news about Flash 10 on N900?11:45
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achipaI guess that's the next thing that will go as the channel topic11:46
MiXu-Adobe is gay. :(11:46
mecealthough I'm running "flash 10" on mine. Thanks to achipa :)11:46
MiXu-I hope flash will die.11:46
achipaMiXu-: they are working on it ;)11:46
mecehow do iphones watch videos online?11:46
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MiXu-mece: with apps11:46
meceyeah, but how do the apps do it?11:47
achipawhich videos ? mostly with streaming apps, quicktime, whatever11:47
achipayou know, like mplayer rtsp://
mecewell there are a lot of sites that support ipad for example, I guess facebook does too..11:47
mecethe site detects and sends a different video I think.11:47
meceso why couldn't we utilize the same?11:48
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meceouff, got to get some foods. bbl.11:48
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achipamece: because they are not open source and so it's iffy to extract the URLs11:54
achipaachipa: but you're correct that technically we could play them back just fine11:55
achipatalking to myself... time for coffee11:55
chem|stI am so glad n00bs don't even know what IRC is...11:56
MohammadAG51what's IRC?11:56
chem|stMohammadAG51: I love you too!11:56
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chem|stjust read a post from someone new to N900 and he was asking if some of the devs could make the screen behave more like a capacitive screen..11:59
MohammadAG51why would i make my N900 worse, and... wtf?12:00
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chem|stexactly... seems to have problems with responsiveness as he is used to iProne12:04
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MohammadAG51tbh capactive sensitivity annoys me12:06
jacekowskiit would be nice to get pressure sensitivity12:06
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chem|stjacekowski: what do you mean? that you push harder to drag icons instead of turning desktop?12:07
jacekowskii would go with harder to click12:07
jacekowskiand light touch to drag12:08
jacekowskibut that would be good idea as well12:08
chem|stok makes sense in some way12:08
MohammadAG51hildon-home is open source afaik12:09
chem|styes just copy the mypaint part over and set the limits yourself12:09
MohammadAG51not a C enthusiast12:09
* MohammadAG51 pokes lcuk :p12:09
BCMMC has enthusiasts?12:10
MohammadAG51i just hate C :P12:11
BCMMid've thought it was a bit like assembler - whether you like it or not, it's there, and you use it constantly, directly or not12:11
BCMMi'm not sure people get opinions...12:11
toggles_whey! c rocks12:11
BCMMalso, C is indeed kinda nice12:11
MohammadAG51true, but programming in it sucks12:11
MohammadAG51well, for a C newbie anyways12:11
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BCMMas a C newbie, i'm going to claim that there is a class of fairly simple but not totally trivial programs that are easier to write in C than in certain higher-level languages (that would be perfectly capable of the task)12:13
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psycho_oreosnevermind, found it12:30
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toggles_wwow, that was easy...12:45
psycho_oreosnot so when you had a brain fart at that moment12:46
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Stskeepsyes? :P12:47
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TomaszDnothing, just interesting12:47
Stskeepswe do have kernel developers working to make meego n900 happen :)12:47
TomaszDlbt, no truck on the horizon I assume?12:47
TomaszDyeah, but are you going to have a separate kernel tree for n900 drivers or will those go upstream StippenG12:48
TomaszD(autocomplete failure)12:48
toggles_wvery cool12:50
lbtTomaszD: we have a parcel!12:50
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toggles_wnow just add bme and graphics...12:50
lcuklbt, new toys!12:50
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* lcuk wonders what the world would be like without closed source graphics12:52
TomaszDlbt, woo!12:52
TomaszDlbt, crossing fingers it's from me12:53
lcuktoggles_w, indeed12:53
lbtit is... but I am swamped at the moment... don't want to rush it12:55
TomaszDlbt, alright, no problem :) take your time. It took 11 days to arrive12:56
* ShadowJK wonders if the bme <-> kernel interface is going to stay the same for N900 MeeGo :)12:56
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rmrfchikjacekowski: seems like N900's CPU has jazelle12:59
rmrfchikaccording to
ShadowJKI was under the impression that it's essentially no-op on A8? :)12:59
StskeepsShadowJK: fairly similar, i believe13:01
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ShadowJKWould be kinda annoying if everything I've discovered about running N900 bme-less had changed :D13:01
Stskeepsi wish you people'd just package a free-bme up and start testing it with our images13:02
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ShadowJKI need to get a compiler installed on my N900 so I can rewrite it in C and add some more, uh, program control flow logic than busybox /bin/sh allows :P13:03
toggles_wStskeeps: same as n810?13:03
lcukShadowJK, isnt /bin/sh turing complete?13:03
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lcukShadowJK, add sdk and tools repo, apt-get install build-essential :P13:03
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ShadowJKI wrote a 40-line script in sh for IRC powersave, on a single line on N900, and it made no fucking sense when I copy/pasted it into a real editor and started breaking it up and indenting it...13:04
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ShadowJKlcuk, they're not optified!13:04
lcukShadowJK, so optify them, file a bug and make sure I see it13:05
lcukand I will do my best to get them into the sdk13:06
ShadowJKWhen thunderstorm season ends I can keep my PC powered and run the sdk vm in it I guess13:06
ShadowJKand log into that with n900 whenever I find spare time13:06
lcukfailing that, the folders could potentially be added to but I am certain the reason wont be enough to allow integration of the new config (else I would have done it before)13:07
* lcuk initially had /usr/share/include there :)13:07
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hrwnewer mdbus2 on a way to extras-devel13:10
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lcukhrw, \o/13:21
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hrwonly armel version - x86 one segfaulted13:34
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lcukhrw, better than no update - was the older version also segfaulting?13:36
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mecehrw, what's mdbus2?13:37
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mrmokuhrw: got a trace of that segfault? It works for me on x86_6413:39
mrmokumece: mdbus2 is a dbus introspection commandline tool13:39
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mrmokuhrw: or maybe just tell me which call segfaulted, so I can try to reproduce it ...13:41
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lcukhrw build here says x86 was ok?
hrwit builds - just segfaulted in my maemovm13:44
lcukahh ok13:44
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mecegrr argh. anyone feel like throwing some votes towards fheroes2 demodata? I don't want to promote fheroes2 without the demodata there too..13:50
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TomaszDmece, let that be a lesson to you. next time don't put the demo data in the user category and just make fheroes2 depend on it13:51
meceTomaszD, well you don't really need the demodata if you have the proper data, so it doesn't really need to depend on it.13:51
TomaszDyeah, explain that to consumers who install fheroes2 and expect a playable game13:52
meceAnyway here's the package. It's already approved by 2 super testers.
meceTomaszD, well I actually do explain it in the description: "You will need the map and data files from the original game to play. You  can also download the Free Heroes 2 demodata pacakge to try it"13:53
TomaszDI know13:53
TomaszDI'm sure everybody looks there13:53
Jartzamites nyt silleen?13:54
Jartzaoch. channel-lotto :)13:54
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Jartzano win13:54
timeless_mbpif the data is <5mb, just stick it into non 'user' and be done w/ it13:55
timeless_mbpyou can make a ui tool which lets people delete it13:55
timeless_mbpdo it properly and user 'provides' and have your package depend on the virtual thing13:56
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TomaszDyou know what grinds my gears in the app manager? The multitude of exactly the same themes with different colours13:56
TomaszDthe black plastic theme guy got it right with a control panel applet13:56
TomaszDone package, one config applet to choose the colour. Or you could go the easier route and just have one package install all available colours13:57
mecetimeless_mbp, that sounds nice, but also like a lot of work...13:57
mecetimeless_mbp, it's more like 50Mb anyway so it should definately be optional.13:58
TomaszDmece, if you put the data in a consumer-visible place like /home/MyDocs/fheroes-demodata then nobody would complain13:58
lcukTomaszD, sure, but its difficult13:59
lcukthat is more than a theme and involves dev work13:59
TomaszDhmm, I mean /home/user/MyDocs (?)13:59
lcukperhaps themes based on plastic will follow this example13:59
TomaszDlcuk, isn't black plastic open source? :)13:59
TomaszDjust take the code13:59
TomaszDotherwise we'll have theme X bright pink, theme X a little brighter pink, etc..14:00
meceTomaszD, well having the data in MyDocs severely affects the performance.14:00
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lcukTomaszD, not me silly, read what i posted14:00
lcuk"themes based on"14:00
meceTomaszD, oh thanks, I didn't know you were a supertester :D ok promoting now14:01
TomaszDI am?14:01
TomaszDso this gives me +3 instead of +114:02
TomaszDI didn't even notice14:02
meceTomaszD, apparently yes :D14:02
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jacekowskirmrfchik: it has jazzele but no software to support it14:05
TomaszDmece, please vote for then14:07
TomaszDnot my package but thoroughly tested14:08
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TomaszDnot sure why people aren't voting it up14:08
realitygapshey ppl, having a strange issue in conversations - the scrollbar is not hildonized anymore and clicking anywhere selects text instead of scrolling. anyone got any ideas how to fix it?14:08
realitygapsit occurs in all chat windows14:08
meceTomaszD, ok, I'll install it first, since I actually wanted something like that just two days ago :D14:09
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TomaszDmece, try "GPS Recorder" too, also worth voting up, but this is a standalone app instead of a widget14:10
meceKhertan, did the obs build work on the N900?14:11
meceTomaszD, I might actually want the standalone app instead. I have all my desktops maxxed out with stuff already :)14:11
TomaszDwhatever works for you, vote though14:11
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Robot101DocScrutinizer: "* DocScrutinizer stabs Robot101" -> thanks! :)14:22
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iPeter-how to change bg color of terminal on n90014:24
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iPeter-lol i fail nvm14:27
DocScrutinizerRobot101: yw :-)14:28
DocScrutinizerbarisione around?14:29
realitygapsanyone with any pointers as to why the conversations are no longer hildonized??14:29
Robot101DocScrutinizer: yeah he got back from GUADEC over the weekend14:29
Robot101but we're going for lunch14:29
fralsmece: bah, no change with 3 supertesters votes :P14:30
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* DocScrutinizer wonders what you need to bribe supertestsers to test a package :-/14:32
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DocScrutinizerwow, should have checked first. is even up to 7 now :-)14:35
SpeedEvilI need to test some more apps, and then I'll be at 100, so my vote will count as 314:36
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meceSpeedEvil, I think you need to be appointed a supertester.14:38
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mecefrals, well that's annoying. I hope they remove the delay for updates ASAP. First time apps could have the quarantine, but upgrades should not, IMO.14:39
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DocScrutinizers/need/ought have been14:39
* realitygaps cant figure out why the damn scrollbar appears in conversations unhildonized14:39
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mecerealitygaps: in regular conversations. Have you customized it?14:41
DocScrutinizermece: that's a really difficult topic, as an update can introduce massive rewrites and of course regressions or intentional rogue bits14:41
meceDocScrutinizer, I guess so..14:41
DocScrutinizer(quarantine for updates)14:41
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meceDocScrutinizer, then again it's very frustrating when there's a small bug that takes 3 seconds to fix and 10 days to promote..14:42
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DocScrutinizermaybe we'd need some special procedure for power testers approving the patch diffs, so an update could go without quarantine if considered minor change and safe14:43
mecedas2k: 'ello14:43
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meceDocScrutinizer, something like that would be nice..14:43
das2khow can I add the N900 Device libraries into Gcc14:43
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realitygapsmece: nope didnt customize it, it happens in every chat window (get an old style scrollbar down the side)14:44
realitygapsmece: was thinking maybe i can customize it back14:44
das2kI have just started developing on N90014:44
das2kcan any body give me some help14:44
das2kregarding installing N900 Libraries14:44
das2kin gcc14:44
das2kI am using Ubuntu 10.414:44
lcukdas2k, install the SDK, see the developer documentation on maemo.org14:45
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das2kYes I have installed14:45
marcusHmm, I've got a little problem: A few days ago I tried catagorize (or what it's called), and after removing it, the menu is now kinda ruined. I have 2x icons of some applications. How do I reset that?14:45
das2k@ lcuk14:45
das2kI have intalled SDK14:45
lcukthen whats missing?14:45
DocScrutinizermaybe the blobs, under targer_x86?14:46
das2kI am using Netbeans IDE for coding in C14:47
das2kI don't get list of function as soon as I type header file name14:47
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lcukdunno das2k i dont use that ide so dont know how to import symbols into it14:48
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DocScrutinizerprobably you have to add the path to maemo specific *.h somewhere to the ide config14:49
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DocScrutinizerdas2k: anyway when you figure how to put it to work, don't forget to report about your findings, preferably on wiki14:51
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* DocScrutinizer is shouting swearwords and curses inferior quality cheap switches for left mousebutton in his expensive-as-gold Logitec MX mouse14:53
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DocScrutinizerunsolicited doubleclick really can drive you nuts14:54
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meceis it ok to link to a talk thread from a package description under "downloads" ?14:55
DocScrutinizersure, why not?14:55
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mecewas thinking like this: "Help and instructions can be found here:"14:55
WeissDocScrutinizer: hmm.. they really use different switches?14:56
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* Weiss ponders opening his trackballs and swapping the switches round (left-handed..)14:56
DocScrutinizerthey use OMRON for LMB & RMB14:57
DocScrutinizerSMT type switches for the rest14:57
DocScrutinizerobviously OMRON is crap14:57
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DocScrutinizershould have chosen CHERRY14:57
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Weissah, ok14:58
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DocScrutinizerusually this type of microswitches should be good for >100k rounds14:59
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DocScrutinizerdon't think I exceeded that during 2 years of normal usage15:00
mecehey, would it be possible to make software to record video with very high framerates with the N900, to get slow motion stuff?15:00
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DocScrutinizermece: nice15:00
meceDocScrutinizer, what is?15:00
DocScrutinizermece: prolly you need to study gstreamer parameters15:00
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: obviously, OMRON is just a very elaborate inside joke from the techies in a company, trying to get their sales people to insult the CEO of some other company with "MORON"15:00
meceDocScrutinizer, yeah. A friend of mine had a digicam that recorded 240fps, low quality. still, a lot of fun with that one.15:01
meceDocScrutinizer, I wouldn't even know where to begin..15:01
DocScrutinizermece: man gstreamer?15:01
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crashanddieDocScrutinizer: "So can you explain what OMRON is?" "Certainly. MORON is YOU. It is simple, easy to do, and extremely shallow, so it can adapt to nearly any situation"15:02
DocScrutinizerman V4L2?15:02
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DocScrutinizercrashanddie: hehe15:03
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meceDocScrutinizer, if the shutter speed is enough, I guess this could be done pretty easily even... I wonder.15:05
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SpeedEvilmece: You would need to begin with the really low-level stuff. It's hardcoded to 60fps min AIUI15:06
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SpeedEvilI think this starts out at the binary blob to configure the camera.15:07
SpeedEvilWell - the configuration data for the sensor/image processor.15:07
meceSpeedEvil: so you can never go higher than 60fps, or ..?15:07
SpeedEvilwhich is a binary blob - it's not executable code15:07
SpeedEvilIt depends on if the sensor for which we have no data can do it.15:08
Stskeepswe're actually doing a lot of stuff related to camera in meego too, upstreaming code and so on15:08
SpeedEvilIt is not inconcievable that it might be able to do 240*120@120 say15:08
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meceSpeedEvil: But I would need to do some really low level hacking for that..? I was hoping for 320x200@120 or something like that.15:09
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* SpeedEvil takes the nuclear option to working out which package is causing the dbus 'Hello' once a second.15:10
SpeedEvil0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 71 to remove and 40 not upgraded.15:10
SpeedEvilAfter this operation, 314MB disk space will be freed.15:10
SpeedEvilDo you want to continue [Y/n]? y15:10
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lardmanafternoon chaps15:10
meceSpeedEvil: uh. sounds bad...15:11
DocScrutinizer  GRRRRRR!15:11
SpeedEvilmece: that is my impression. However, I have only read the chip datasheet on the camera driver chip in passing.15:11
meceI guess I could just test with the gstreamer example :)15:11
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SpeedEvilI think I tried it with gstreamer and it diddn't work.15:12
SpeedEvilbut good luck15:12
meceSpeedEvil: to set the framerate up to ridiculous heights?15:12
SpeedEvilmany cameras have also 60hz as a hardware limit15:12
meceSpeedEvil: do we have that here?15:12
das2klcuk: are you tehre?15:12
das2kluck: there?15:13
SpeedEvilas that's what they've been designed to for live preview use, and you don't need to go faster than that.15:13
mecealthough 60fps is still something..15:13
das2klcuk: are you there?15:13
SpeedEvilmece: I haven't investigated - I think it does 30fps video15:13
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crashanddieI nearly died today :)15:14
mortiniwith te cookies?15:15
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crashanddielardman: on the motorbike15:15
lardmanoh, glad you survived then15:15
crashanddieit was raining, after a red light, some woman stuck by a lorry on the opposite side of the road decided to cut me off and go straight through  a small road just to my right.15:16
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crashanddieI hit the back brakes, started to skid, i kicked the back out to my right, front wheel started to skid on a sewer-metal-round-thingie. Managed to stay on the bike, and stay upright.15:17
lardmancrashanddie: you still in La France?15:18
crashanddieso, nothing broken, nothing hurt. I'm good. The bitch in the car got a nice fine and points on her licence by some nice biker-cops who were waiting for the lights15:18
crashanddielardman: toujours, oui.15:18
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lardmanI've just come back from Quebec, been practising my francais15:19
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crashanddielardman: no, you've practising a dialect, which appears to be a very interesting solution to a problem that should've never existed in the first place.15:22
lardmannah, I was speaking French french, they were all rather confused15:23
lardmanas was I when they spoke back15:23
crashanddieI remember being in Montreal, going to a restaurant15:23
crashanddiethe waiter fetches us at the door and says "Bienvenue, suivez-moi"15:24
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crashanddiehe brings us to our table, I thank him, and he replies "Bienvenue"15:24
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crashanddiehe brings the menus, I thank him, and he says "Bienvenue". Confused, I thank him again, he replies "Bievenue" again.15:25
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crashanddieFigures that they litterally translated  "You're welcome".15:25
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lcukdas2k, no I am not here.  and as I said I don't use that IDE so would be of no help anyway15:27
lcuklardman, \o welcome back to uk15:27
lardmanhi lcuk15:27
* lcuk just had lunch but feels like I didn't eayt15:28
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crashanddielardman: translate this: "serais tu également disponible jeudi ou vendredi pour qu'en fonction du résultat de ces entretiens, nous puissions nous mettre d'accord sur un contrat ? Pourrrais tu m'envoyer en parallèle tes prétentions salariales afin que je puisse te présenter le package que nous pouvons te proposer"15:28
lardmanmust I?15:29
crashanddiejust google translate it :P15:29
crashanddieI think I've finally reached an agreement with a company15:29
lardmanthurs/fri about a contract15:29
crashanddiehad an interview with CEO and CTO last wednesday15:29
lardmanindeed, congrats15:29
lardman(was wondering why the native French speaker wanted my school-boy expertise on that one)15:30
lardmanhmm, ~£75 to tow a car 2 miles15:30
crashanddietwo other interviews with lead dev and manager on wednesday, but they're already asking to be available for finalising the contract15:30
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crashanddielmao, we have this drug for the dog. As soon as there is a lightning storm, he goes bananas. I think I may have given him too much, he's randomly licking furniture...15:31
Corsaccrashanddie: did they really say “package”?15:32
crashanddieCorsac: yup15:32
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Corsacthat's not exactly french :)15:32
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crashanddiewell, sure it is:
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CorsacCe mot est un anglicisme déconseillé; il vaut mieux employer achat groupé ou forfait.15:33
Corsacmy point :)15:33
Corsacit's not french15:33
crashanddieit is pretty common these days -- you actually see it on adverts and everything15:33
crashanddieplus the guy isn't exactly french, so I don't give a toot :P15:33
DocScrutinizerAHAA! 3 pcs D2FC-F-7N in old Logitec, of which IIRC all but LMB should still work15:34
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: AWESOME!15:34
Corsaccrashanddie: can you give the company name yet?15:34
crashanddiewell, no.15:35
crashanddieNot until I sign a contract. Wouldn't want some guy I pissed off on IRC to call them and screw me over :P15:35
DocScrutinizersometimes it pays off to keep old crap15:35
* crashanddie looks at MohammadAG.15:35
Corsaccrashanddie: rooh :)15:35
crashanddieCorsac: it's a pretty "english" fashionned company though (even though it is french). They didn't really look at my diplomas, rather my skills, which is good. They also provide health cover and things like that, rather than a pure financial payment.15:36
* MohammadAG looks at crashanddie diabolically15:37
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MohammadAG(Congrats crashanddie)15:37
MohammadAGyou're still a bastard15:37
crashanddiethat'll never change :P15:37
MohammadAGso you admit being one15:38
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barisioneDocScrutinizer: hi15:39
crashanddiewell, my old IRC name before I switched to irssi was "From 0 to bastard in 0.3 seconds"15:39
DocScrutinizerI've seen that one15:40
DocScrutinizerbarisione: hi!15:40
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DocScrutinizerhaha funny, they mounted a 20*30*5mm steel block inside that old Logitec mouse, to give it right weight15:43
KhertanSalutations crashanddie15:44
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crashanddieplop Khertan15:45
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barisioneDocScrutinizer: did you ping me to tell me something?15:45
KhertanDocScrutinizer, and it really important ... most mouse have steel block inside15:45
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: talk about gstreamer et al, alternatives, problems... but later. Need to fix mouse first15:46
KhertanCorsac, euh .... franchement ... package ... je l'emploi frequemment :) bien plus que forfait15:46
crashanddieHigh end logitech gaming mice have specific weights you can add to the mouse so that it gives you the right feel15:47
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barisioneDocScrutinizer: I actually have a fix, I just couldn't manage to polish the code when I was away for GUADEC (too many distractions)15:47
CorsacKhertan: je ne suis pas certain que ce soit une référence15:47
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crashanddieCorsac: d'un autre coté, on s'est fout un peu. Regarde sur le site de SFR, Bouygues, Renault, Honda France, ils ont tous au moins une fois le mot "package".15:48
Corsacc'est pas une raison hein15:48
KhertanCorsac, c'est pas faux15:48
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Khertancrashanddie, health cover is frequent now in french company15:49
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crashanddieCorsac: languages evolve, and dictionnaries really aren't the place to look to see if a word "exists" or not.15:51
KhertanStskeeps, did you know if there is a way to use the meego obs community as a repository for n900 ?15:51
Khertancrashanddie, specially when there isn't any official dictionnaries15:52
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X-FadeKhertan: not now. Will come soon.15:52
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Khertanok thanks15:52
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Corsaccrashanddie: et donc, après vérification, google(package site:www.{sfr,orange,bouygues,honda,renault}.fr) renvoie vraiment pas grand chose15:53
Khertanother question, did you know if someone have build a package from a python setup ?15:53
Khertani know that a possibility ... but i didn't understand well how to do, and docs seems missing on suse obs site15:53
KhertanCorsac, forcement c est site de merde sont en flash au 3/415:54
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Corsactrop pas15:54
KhertanCorsac, forcement ces sites de merde sont en flash au 3/415:54
Khertanhum ...15:54
Khertan si si15:54
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Khertanlol ... premiere page15:55
Khertandans l'encart en flash15:55
Khertanle mot package15:55
Khertanok je suis en anglais15:55
rcg-workany idea why promoting a package fails with: "Can not continue promotion, because dependency package icedtea6 is a user section package and needs to be promoted first!" despite icedtea6 being already promoted (it is even in extras free)?15:56
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crashanddiercg-work: are the versions the same?15:56
X-Fadercg-work: Same version?15:56
rcg-worki did not specify any special version as dependency15:56
rcg-workso any version should do15:57
crashanddiercg-work: except that because you're not specifying a minimum version number, it may default to the highest available.15:57
crashanddie(just guessing here)15:58
rcg-workok .. will try to specify a minimum version number15:59
Khertan~seen connie16:01
infobotconnie <> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 771d 13h 35m 51s ago, saying: 'omg it's a wow irc lol'.16:01
Khertan~seen conny16:01
infobotconny <> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 32d 15h 23m 57s ago, saying: 'TSCHAKeee2: No :)'.16:01
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bleadertimeless_mbp: sorry I missed your messages yesterday evening, it wasn't hebrew, but anthy (for japanese), that was preventing the OSK to pop, thanks for the heads up16:05
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MohammadAG~seen javispedro16:06
infobotjavispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 67d 12h 7m 34s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'.16:06
KhertanDocScrutinizer, exactly ... you can look in razor mouse too :)16:06
lcuklive BG support getting stronger and stronger :)16:07
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Khertanit s not to look like heavy but to make the mouse more balanced16:08
SpeedEvilThough it needs to be made to work across all 4 desktops16:08
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lardmanlcuk: how does one use liq* to save and view individual sketches?16:09
lardmanlcuk: liqplayground allows you to make sketches, but I can't see them anywhere16:10
lcuklardman, liqrecentsketches shows the graffiti wall16:10
DocScrutinizerKhertan: *nod*16:10
lcukbut the version currently on maemo.ogr is a bit stale and in very high need of a refresh asap16:11
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DocScrutinizerKhertan: I hate cheap lightweight mice running off the table, pulled by own cable :-P16:11
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Two ways round that.16:11
SpeedEvilWireless mice, or trackpoint(tm).16:11
lardmanlcuk: not in the repo though?16:11
DocScrutinizerI bet I know 4 at least16:11
DocScrutinizerwell then 616:12
lardmanlcuk: Would have been useful while I was away to take notes during talks16:12
DocScrutinizererr, 5, as that replaces "throw away cheap mouse"16:12
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lcuklardman, theres lots in the github repo, its all being slowly cleaned up and broken into projects properly16:13
SpeedEvilTape a brick to the mouse.16:13
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DocScrutinizer#1 :-)16:13
lcuki keep blocking on graffiti wall because i need to integrate a desktop widget along with it16:13
lardmanlcuk: cool, I look forward to a release16:13
lcukyes, me too16:13
DocScrutinizer#2: fix cable at edge of table16:13
DocScrutinizer#3: use rubber mouspad upside down16:14
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lcuklardman, i have been cleaning up my template and getting my code working on nice standalone projects16:15
lcuklike this:
lcuk(in its own git repo with no playground stuff or mucking around :))16:15
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timeless_mbpbleader: :)16:15
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bleaderfeels a lot better to be able to get a | when using the shell :p16:16
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DocScrutinizerhmm, now I got a spare D2FC-F-7N, but desoldering was such a pain (literally :-P Dunno why I tried to solder my finger), and I don't see this easily done on MX Revolution :-S16:17
lardmanlcuk: the graffiti wall is perhaps more suitable though - what liq features does the calculator have?16:18
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lardmanor was it just a component on the playground so it's now been packaged up?16:18
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crashanddielardman|afk: travelling east is always worst. West is peanuts.16:21
SpeedEvilUnless you go far enough west.16:21
Corsac(depends if you prefer to wake up or go to bed at 4am :)16:21
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: nha. I did Australia to London, and had no problems (because the days, even shorter, still go by relatively normally). However, London to Australia completes craps you up. Did the same with Ukraine-US (west coast), same thing happened16:24
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crashanddieSpeedEvil: I don't think that even if you went round the world, you'd feel very good.16:24
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SpeedEvilI was being boringly pedantic, ans in that if you go far enough west, you go east.16:24
crashanddieThough, Amsterdam - London, very fun. You take off at 5PM, you land at 5PM, woohoooo16:25
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Khertanoups ... sorry16:25
toggles_wcrashanddie: you forgot to stop in singapore16:25
SpeedEvilAnyone else up for despinning the earth to a ~26 hour day?16:25
crashanddieSpeedEvil: you could also say you're going negative east :P16:25
lcuklardman|afk, yes its just a standalone app now, it can live in the playground or be run on its own.  its just me noting ideas needed for a portrait calculator16:26
crashanddietoggles_w: didn't :) Well, I stopped in singapore, bangkok, dubai...16:26
lcukand includes only one thing I think any calculator needs - a real working solar panel so you can cover it and the screen fades16:26
toggles_wlol, you need to step out of tha airport in singapore lon->aus, preferably for a day to soak up some heat and good food16:27
crashanddietoggles_w: there's the smoking area, which is a nice little bar :D16:27
toggles_wyeah, I know it well16:27
crashanddieexpensive as fuck though16:27
meceI'm out. ta.16:27
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* toggles_w quit smoking, then moved to italy, bloody stupid idea..16:28
crashanddieand everytime an airplane lands/takes off/taxis, you're deaf for a few minutes16:28
toggles_wtrue, but you have abeer and a smoke..16:28
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crashanddienha, buy a bottle of water in the mcdonalds, then go outside and smoke16:29
crashanddiefree drinks on the plane :D16:29
toggles_wor the gold lounge, bloody mary's for bfast16:29
crashanddieNever went to the lounge in SGP16:30
crashanddieI love how most westerners are super polite to the air hostesses, and only ask for a coke, or a tomato juice when she comes along16:30
crashanddiejust ask for a couple or three things16:30
crashanddieThis works even better if you're seated on the aisle: they assume you're ordering for everyone in your row16:31
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X-Fadecrashanddie: lol, you really start to sound like a Dutchman ;)16:31
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alteregoWell, after taking my laptop apart, giving it a little clean. It seems to work alright, though I need a new keyboard as it's playing up :/16:32
crashanddiewell, you pay 2 grand for a flight, they'd better give you free drinks16:32
crashanddiealterego: still under warranty?16:32
crashanddieif not, then ebay16:33
alteregocrashanddie: nope. and it was water damage. Yeah found a suitable one for about ten quid :)16:33
crashanddiewater dammage is covered by dell enterprise support16:33
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alteregoWell, I don't have it :)16:33
luke-jrcrashanddie: $2000? over here, flights are $100 round-trip16:35
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crashanddieluke-jr: from london to aus?16:35
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luke-jrand if you want more than a pop and peanuts, you pay extra16:35
luke-jrnah, across the US16:35
luke-jrno idea how much international flights cost16:36
luke-jrbut that's probably why US people get the idea of what they can ask for16:36
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crashanddieluke-jr: ah, yeah, domestic flights in the US are dirt cheap, but then again, if you go for budget airlines in Europe, you can get a round trip for 30 quid within Europe16:37
luke-jralso, on US flights, each person orders for themself16:37
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toggles_wluke-jr: pit->syd last year $876 on United16:39
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Khertansomeone have an idea on how i can render a list of recent files in an ui ?16:42
Khertana list of QMaemo5ValueButton16:42
Khertanisn't really optimum16:42
Khertan(and QMaemo5* aren't available on meego)16:42
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toggles_wKhertan: what's the menu like on meego? do you just add actions? or is it more complicated?16:43
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Khertandon't know yet16:44
Khertantoggles_w, my soft wasn't running yet on meego ... :)16:44
Khertani ll say if it s enough once i got it run on it :)16:44
toggles_wok.. thanks..16:44
Khertanbut i ll try on meego netbook ux16:45
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Khertanas was never been able to build an image for my n90016:45
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E0xi can change the n900 hostname without problem ?16:51
derfIt certainly used to cause problems.16:52
derfDunno if it's safe now.16:53
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mgedminI always change the hostname of my n90016:54
mgedminnevert had any problems16:54
mgedminI can imagine it causing problems if you do the change incorrectly16:55
mgedminremember to change it both in /etc/hosts and in /etc/hostname16:55
E0xmgedmin: how do you change it ? i was thinking in editing the /etc/hostname file16:55
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E0xmgedmin: what i need restart ?16:56
E0xthe whole device ?16:56
mgedminmaybe, maybe not16:56
Khertanor not16:56
mgedminthere's a command you need to run to set the hostname16:56
mgedminand restart certain services (like avahi-daemon, if you have it) that think they know your hostname already16:57
mgedminrebooting is probably simpler16:57
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: any idea if and why contact-ringtones could deactivate the vibra?16:58
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barisionethe default ringtone stuff fails at playing a ringtone17:01
DocScrutinizerbarisione: also waht do you think of the idea to exploit the original ringtone playback process, by replacin ~/.local/*/*/ringtone.mp3.wav by a named pipe and feed that one via a process that can switch the data writen any time, even preprocess or generate it17:01
barisioneand so it also fails at vibrating17:01
barisioneif you do that then the original ringtone will start playing in any case17:02
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: or even just rewriting content of the original ringtone.mp3.wav on the fly, while dialer is doing playback17:02
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: when it starts it's too late17:02
barisionethat would not work17:02
jacekowskibarisione: how is your ringtone stuff working?17:02
X-Faderingtone is locked into memory right?17:03
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: why too late?17:03
barisionejacekowski: it just takes care of playing the ringtone and does it by itself, except that currently it takes too long17:03
jacekowskibecause file is already opened17:03
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: that's the question, how it opens the file17:03
X-FadeCheck barisione 's blog.17:03
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: so what? you can change content of an opened file, under linux, no?17:03
jacekowskiyou can, but it's bad idea17:04
jacekowskibecause mp3 has metadata in it17:04
barisioneyeah, but that would not work17:04
jacekowskibesides, buffering and stuff17:04
barisionejacekowski: it's a wave17:04
DocScrutinizerthat'sNOT mp317:04
X-FadeDocScrutinizer: -> memlocked17:04
barisioneDocscrutinizer: the original file could already be in memory17:04
DocScrutinizerthe process, yes17:04
E0xif i use netbean at windows but want do something for my n900 using it, what i need do for have all libs and python module if was posible that kind of setup ?17:04
jacekowskibarisione: so why your thing is slower than original player?17:04
DocScrutinizerbarisione: could, exactly17:05
DocScrutinizerever tried it?17:05
barisioneDocScrutinizer: and even if you do it in the best case you get a bit of the original ringtone17:05
DocScrutinizerwith a named pipe anyway it should work17:05
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barisioneDocScrutinizer: in the worst case you are just writing random data to a file opened by another process17:05
DocScrutinizerbarisione: which isn't at all a bad thing ('original' ringtone), at least better than lag17:05
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: you cant seek in pipes17:06
barisioneI have a fix that should kill the lag17:06
* realitygaps still cant figure out why the scrollbars appearing in conversations....17:06
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barisionebut it's not finished17:06
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: (original) that's bean the rationale behind my idea to rewrite original fle17:06
DocScrutinizerand without vibra the whole thing is unusable for me at least17:07
lcukrealitygaps, usually caused by having stuff to scroll to17:07
jacekowskiso why vibra is not working anyways?17:07
DocScrutinizerprolly because dialer doesn't like 0 length ringtone17:07
jacekowskithat can be fixed17:08
DocScrutinizerbarfs, and stops17:08
X-FadeSilent wavefile?17:08
barisionejacekowski: it's slower because gstreamer (having to guess the type, etc.) is not very fast17:08
DocScrutinizersure, give a silent file of arbitrary nonzero length instead17:08
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: :-D17:08
barisioneI tried different approaches, in the end I'm writing stuff directly to pulseaudio17:08
barisioneso what I'm doing is:17:09
jacekowskibarisione: what about recoding ringtones to already known format17:09
jacekowskibarisione: so it's not too big, and then using that17:09
barisione- play directly using PA and wave files (I have the patch but it's ugly)17:09
barisione- convert non-wave files to .wav17:09
barisione- fix the vibration problem17:09
barisionethis can be fixed by using an empty file17:09
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jacekowskiwhy you don't move vibration to your software?17:10
barisioneor by making it vibrate directly17:10
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: files in ~/.local are all *.wav by def17:10
barisionethe latter sounds less hackish17:10
realitygapslcuk: yep but i dont get the scrollbar, i get a non hildonized scroll bar which i need to use the stylus to scroll on17:10
barisionethe former could be easier :)17:10
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summel new quasselclient binary + minitube binary (nice youtube client)17:10
barisionenote that I think that also the LED breaks, as it's flashing is controlled by the same thing that plays ringtones and make the phone vibrate17:11
jacekowskiLD_PRELOAD for dialer17:11
DocScrutinizerI really appreciate at least vibra still handled by genuine process, in case caller-ringtoned breaks17:11
barisionejacekowski: hm?17:11
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jacekowskibarisione: where do you store association between ringtone and contact?17:11
barisionein the contacts17:12
jacekowskido you have source avaliable?17:12
DocScrutinizerso eplace 0 byte rintone-default.aac.wav by a silent 1s sample please17:12
barisioneinside the vcard in a X-RINGTONED-PATH field17:12
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jacekowskiand what about last question?17:13
jacekowskibrb. reboot17:13
barisionelast question?17:14
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: please consider extending that to have maybe arbitrary X-userdefined fields, at least one called X-EXECUTE holding path to arbitrary executable to start on "ringing" and send SIGINT on ringtone stop17:14
DocScrutinizerbarisione: don't worry, jacekowski always very fuzzy17:15
barisionethat can be done in a better way with ringtoned plugins17:15
DocScrutinizerhmhm, ok17:15
DocScrutinizerJust interested in a way to plugin own fancy things on specific contacts17:16
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DocScrutinizerever thought of superimposing the special-ringtone property to contac's avatar icon? as there's no generic way to display that in contacts app it seems17:17
barisionedefining plugins is really easy, see;a=blob;f=per-contact/plugin/plugin.c;h=f24d21fc35f19316788c30db4909c16b74c77d36;hb=HEAD17:18
DocScrutinizerI open contact in contacts. Gives me no clue at first glance there's a special ringtone set17:18
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DocScrutinizerso edit the 'photo' stored to contact, to have a small mark indicating the special ringtone is set17:18
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jacekowski16:12 < jacekowski> do you have source avaliable?17:19
realitygapsok i know this is a silly question, but is there a way to toggle the select text function in a conversation? im sure there was but it doesnt exist in mine anymore17:19
jacekowskithat question17:19
jacekowskii'm never fuzzy17:19
jacekowskiit's just people are too slow17:20
lcukDocScrutinizer, an overlay, recently used on twitter for twibbons17:20
* lcuk hates himself for knowning that17:20
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* DocScrutinizer mumbles "damn mouse, lemme throw your rocks together"17:22
jacekowskihah, i've got an idea17:24
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KhertanIt s funny that in the small open source world will always see the same name ...17:46
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Khertan[DIFF] LucasRocha 15:19 Info AndreKlapper17:46
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woglindehm intressting17:48
woglindeno llvm packages yet17:48
* realitygaps argh cant figure this one out17:49
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lcukrealitygaps, swipe from left hand side of device onto the screen, about 1/3 up from bottom left of screen17:51
* lcuk looks to making gestures have screen real estate hint17:52
woglindehi lcuk17:52
lcuk\o hi woglinde17:53
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realitygapsthanks... yep, it doesnt exist for me in conversations - only in browser. Somehow the IM/SMS program is giving me a gtk scrollbar not a hildon one and is set to always be in select text mode no idea where to even start looking for a solution17:54
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realitygapsbut thanks lcuk for confirming it should be there17:55
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lcukrealitygaps, have you been screwing with the theming of conversations?17:57
realitygapslcuk: nope not at all, thats the strange thing17:58
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realitygapslcuk: a few days i could use the select from swipe. then suddenly i was stuck in select text mode and ugly gray scrollbars. but only in actual conversations. the main conversations app is fine just individual chats are broken. Getting screenshots uploaded17:59
Khertanare you launching it as root ?17:59
realitygapsKhertan, nope - normally from menu -> conversations18:00
realitygapsyep, cant figure it out-conversations itself is fine with hildon styling18:01
realitygapsjust each chat is broken... screens on the way tho18:01
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: I'm going to try a hotfix by replacing that 0 bytes *.wav and see if that fixes vibra and doesn't break anything else. Maybe if I make it a file with a short jingle and then minutes of silence, I can even get the lag bridged with an early notification18:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what's this about?18:03
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woglindehi doc18:04
DocScrutinizersomething like that18:04
DocScrutinizerHilzu: woglinde18:04
DocScrutinizerHilzu: sorry ETAB18:04
DocScrutinizerHi woglinde  :-)18:04
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* DocScrutinizer pulls laptop into reach, covering the mouse slaughtering area...18:05
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lardmanlcuk: cool18:05
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ThoMehwn i try to install dpkg -i cgoban_1.9.14m4-1_armel.deb18:06
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ThoMethen dpkg said:  cgoban pre-depends on maemo-select-menu-location18:06
ThoMecan anyone help m pls?18:06
GNU\caust1cthere is a cgoban package? :)18:06
X-FadeThoMe: That is a N8x0 package.18:06
ThoMeis from here
ThoMewhich is fro n900er ?18:07
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X-FadeThoMe: That is a diablo-ism ;)18:07
X-FadeThoMe: So probably a left over from older versions.18:07
woglindehi lardman and x-fade18:07
ThoMeX-Fade: and now? now cgobvan? :/18:07
X-FadeThoMe: Remove it and recompile?18:08
X-FadeThe predepends18:08
TomaszDyo lbt, still swamped? :)18:08
lardmanhi woglinde18:08
lardmanhey X-Fade18:08
ThoMeX-Fade: remove? i have download from here
lbtyou have no idea TomaszD18:08
TomaszDlbt, what are you doing anyway :)18:09
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lardmanlcuk: you still around?18:11
lbtTomaszD: it's the last week of our dev cycle so we have a lot to do by monday. Mainly OBS/xen setup. I've also got the community OBS setup to do18:11
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TomaszDlbt, ah, that explains it18:12
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woglindex-fade are binaries in src.deb upload allowed in maemo?18:15
X-Fadewoglinde: You can't upload src.debs directly when in free.18:16
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woglindex-fade *sigh*18:16
lcuklardman, ish18:16
woglindeI mean in the tar.gz18:16
* lcuk is preparing for early start tomorrow18:17
woglindelcuk to where?18:17
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lcukwoglinde, nowhere but i have to have things done18:17
X-Fadewoglinde: That is possible, people might not like it though.18:17
woglindex-fade becasue the icedtea package is only copying stuff18:18
woglindein debian that would be a no go18:19
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X-Fadewoglinde: For free that is not a nice thing to do, no.18:20
DocScrutinizerwhat's going on with community menber cloaks?18:21
DocScrutinizeris this stalled?18:21
X-FadeIs waiting for me to get some spare time.18:21
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JaffaAf'noon, all18:22
DocScrutinizerwho's in charge of dealing with this topic?18:22
X-FadeHoliday time is not the best time for that.18:22
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woglindeieehks repackaed from debian arm binaries18:22
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: why is holiday interferng with cloaks? /stats -p; /query <staff> 'maemo cloak for x, y, z please' - done18:27
DocScrutinizeror even more simple, s/\/stats -p/\/join #freenode/18:28
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DocScrutinizeroops, of course /stats p ; not /stats -p18:31
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: How about you create a nice list with nick and desired cloak for community members who deserve recognition and I'll request them.18:32
DocScrutinizerbut honestly, /join freenode, ask - the painless method18:32
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: thought you got such list already18:32
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer: Nope.18:33
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DocScrutinizerhmm, my list is short, so easily finished with in 5 min. Just one member that starts with Mo18:33
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realitygapsScreenshot of the chat/conversations problem im having at . The right scrollbar is the issue18:34
DocScrutinizerno idea where in wiki or elsewhere there's an equivalent to device queue, for cloaks18:34
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DocScrutinizergot the idea users applying for cloak are sending mail or other notice to council18:35
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crashanddie_haha, power just went down in a few blocks18:37
fralsheh, just installed fmms on a newly flashed device from HAM for the first time.. did not realise it sucks in 7MBs worth of packages :P18:37
crashanddie_massive thunderstorm, apparently lightning struck not too far away18:37
GAN900DocScrutinizer, should be a list on the bug.18:39
GAN900Wiki is a few nicks out of date.18:39
DocScrutinizerfunny to keep that as a ticket18:39
DocScrutinizeranyway, bug#?18:39
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crashanddie_no shit, you got the reference?18:40
woglindehm 8 euro umts internetfalt18:40
woglindethey are crazy here in germany18:40
* DocScrutinizer sighs18:41
GAN900DocScrutinizer, some number or other18:41
GAN900Has IRC in the summary. . . .18:41
DocScrutinizerX-Fade: MohammadAG:
povbotBug 8450: Add remaining IRC cloaks18:42
DocScrutinizerGAN900: has also cloak in summary :-D18:42
crashanddie_GAN900, that's still not taken care off18:44
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crashanddie_GAN900, ping ^18:47
DocScrutinizerI'd care about it, but cloaks can be asked for by group owner only18:48
GAN900crashanddie_, what?18:48
crashanddie_brb, N900 reboot due to opera crash18:48
crashanddie_GAN900, how come the cloaks aren't taken care off yet?18:48
GAN900crashanddie_, most of them are.18:48
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crashanddie_GAN900, why did you ever give up founder status :P18:49
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GAN900But I blame X-Fade's clear laziness and incompetence. :P18:49
DocScrutinizerthere's a new application every once in a while - karma is dynamic ;-D18:49
Dmitryscrashanddie_ which irc client you're using?18:49
GAN900crashanddie_, nefver had it.18:49
crashanddie_Dmitrys, I'm on the N900, so xchat, but macirssi on the laptop18:49
crashanddie_why? something wrong with the encoding?18:50
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jacekowskiit looks ok here18:50
DocScrutinizeron plain ASCII? no18:50
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: there are ways of messing that up18:50
jacekowskilike utf-1618:50
crashanddie_utf-16 is awesomeness in a box18:51
ccookecrashanddie_: unless you need to be space conscious :-)18:52
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cehtehutf-16 for irc ... have fun ;)18:55
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* DocScrutinizer sighs on growing a real ticket, with lists and whatnot, of such a simple thing as /query x-fade please give me a cloak18:58
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lardmanlcuk: can't remember what I was going to say - I'll email you if I do :)18:58
lardmanhey GAN900, how's things18:58
GAN900lardman, pretty good, we kicked the Yankees to the curb last night, so I'm happy. :P18:59
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, /msg hpotter please give me a cloak19:00
lardmanwe watched the Giants in SF, was interesting19:00
GAN900lardman, that's a nice stadium.19:00
DocScrutinizercrashanddie_: your karma needs to be 50.000 for that19:00
lardmanso they say, certainly had a nice view, but the prices for food & drink were shocking19:00
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crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, /msg xfade please give me access to the db19:00
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crashanddie_lardman, and you're surprised?19:01
DocScrutinizerdumbledore will know you cheated19:01
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lardmancrashanddie_: well, it was really expensive, far more so than at a rugby match over here19:01
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DocScrutinizerhey, they know you won't go back home once you are there19:02
crashanddie_DocScrutinizer, dumbledore is dead19:02
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lardmanis there any info about new meego phones yet?19:03
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lardmansome rumour about the N9 was what I last saw?19:03
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GAN900lardman, see the kayakers in the Bay waiting for home runs?19:03
lardman:) no, were on the other side19:03
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GAN900lardman, well, half of that is SF, half of it is the worthless dollar and the rest is simply attraction food prices.19:04
lardmanand there was only one actually, so watching more baseball in the bars I was surprised to see that it can be quite high scoring19:04
DocScrutinizerhuh, what was that? did I write that?19:04
lardmanyeah SF is very pricey19:04
GAN900Garlic fries are really good there.19:04
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GAN900lardman, baseball is very much a game of luck.19:04
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GAN900lardman, do a Segway tour?19:05
lardmanno, though there was one at my conf which I was trying to get a ride on19:05
lardmanbut failed19:05
GAN900Too bad.19:06
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GAN900lardman, where are you now?19:06
lardmanback in UK, suffering from jetlag19:06
GAN900Ah, did you go shooting?19:06
lardmanin the end no, didn't really have the time in LV19:07
lardmanbut will have to arrange something next time we're over in a permissive state19:07
GAN900Too bad, clearly you'll have to come to Florida some time so I can take you. :P19:07
lardmansounds like a plan :)19:07
crashanddie_GAN900, is that an open invitation?19:07
lardmanwoglinde: get your mind out of the gutter!19:08
GAN900crashanddie_, sure.19:08
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crashanddie_GAN900, I'm bidding on a 5dmk2 and merlin steadicam19:08
crashanddie_GAN900, it's very poorly advertised, and no bids -- 3 hours to go... 150 euros total19:09
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woglindelard I only shot with uzi and g319:10
GAN900lardman, they let you shoot at bottles of tannerite here.19:10
woglindehe and 120mm mortar19:10
woglindebut that was not in the us19:10
lardmanGAN900: ah, just googled, so that blows up then?19:10
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GAN900lardman, aye. :D19:11
GAN9001000yd range19:11
lardmanwoglinde: I've shot a shotgun, but that's about it19:11
crashanddie_pfff, people comparing the guns they shot...19:11
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crashanddie_I've downed approx 600 guys over the course of 2 years19:12
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crashanddie_(as a national paintball competition player)19:12
woglindebut paintball is not the same19:13
woglindepaintball is more like counterstrike19:13
lardmanyeah, you don't worry too much about getting hit19:13
crashanddie_no, but it teaches you good tactics19:13
lardmanfun though, except that my mask always fogs up19:13
lardmanthe "fog of war"19:13
woglindethe only tatict I saw was shoot and forget19:13
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lardmanah we had some tactics, let one chap run out and get "killed" so we could see where they were hidden, etc.19:14
woglindeguess I were real19:14
woglindewho would do it19:14
crashanddie_woglinde: this is 5 people strategic games on speed courses (ctf mode, on a 50 x 150m terrain), not just s&d in the woods19:14
GAN900crashanddie_, not really.19:14
GAN900crashanddie_, it teaches you DANGEROUS tactics for a real firefight. :P19:15
woglindeGAN900 right19:15
lardmanalso I understand that hiding behind a tree doesn't work so well against 7.62mm ;)19:15
crashanddie_so you have good communication, with people covering your progress etc19:15
lardmancrashanddie_: yeah agreed there19:15
GAN900lardman, depends.19:15
woglindelard man yes19:15
lardmanGAN900: great redwood? ;)19:15
woglindelardman and you can get hit by wood splines too19:16
crashanddie_it's not in the woods guys... it's tanks and buildings, or air-inflated obstacles19:16
lardmanditto air-inflated obstacles ;)19:16
flashnyou hide behind your own bullets19:16
crashanddie_lardman, I'd say redwoods would not offer much resistance, seeing how flaky their are19:16
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lardmanyeah but 10m thick19:17
crashanddie_switching to laptop19:17
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lardmanrandom relevant question, is pyside supported on PCs?19:17
crashanddie10m thick mush is still just that, mush19:17
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crashanddiebut yeah, competition paintball was heaps of fun, a lot more fun than regular. Plus, you get the added bonus of having equipment that can actually fire some stuff19:18
crashanddiemost "rent" equipment will fire what, 3 balls per second, tops?19:19
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slonopotamuslardman: "supported" as in "will work" or "present in distros" or "will be fixed if non-naemo/meego bugs reported"?19:19
crashanddieThe competition stuff, quite a bit more expensive, will shoot up to 18 balls per second, and if you chip it, it can go up to 30 balls per second19:19
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slonopotamuslardman: okay, gentoo has pyside in main tree19:19
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lardmanslonopotamus: ok, so it's at least workable then, that's good19:21
lardmancrashanddie: hmm, how many balls in a hopper?19:21
crashanddielardman: 20019:21
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slonopotamus_bad gsm cables here :/19:22
crashanddielardman: depending on the event type (speedball, whatnot), each team has a limited amount of balls extra. In Speedball, it's something like 500 balls extra (from memory, don't quote me), so the guys in the back get a couple of extra loaders, while the guys in the front just storm and don't really have the time to empty the hopper19:23
* lardman just sees his £10 notes being fired out on full-auto19:24
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lardmanat least there's not too much recoil, so they might all hit the same location19:24
lardmanI suppose you'd need gas recharges too if you're firing that many balls19:24
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crashanddielardman: we bought 2000 balls for about 16 euros19:29
lardmannot on the site then I guess?19:29
lcukshould make a printer out of them them19:29
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crashanddielardman: we use compressed air, and you're only allowed one recharge per game. Each game lasts 2 minutes (in speedball), or 5 minutes (normal)19:30
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lardmanah quite short then19:30
lardmanI had one recharge and by the end of the day (3hr) was needing to ballistic lobs19:30
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jktHi folks, I've got a question about package versioning on Maemo (or rather on N900) -- I'm a developer of a desktop application, a Qt-based IMAP e-mail client called Trojita,
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jkta guy came to me and offered to port it to N900, which is a great idea, except that ge already released a version with a version number that doesn't match anything I've done so far19:31
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lardmanis his version lower or higher?19:32
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jktI obviously want the version numbers to be synced between the desktop and maemo branches, and so far I've only done "0.1" while he released "0.1-1" and "0.2-1", see
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lardmanand does it need reversioning due to significant changes?19:32
crashanddiedepending on my role (I was more of a front player, but sometimes had to play pivot), I would use different barrels. Long barrel with custom end made my gun very loud, and brought attention to me, but also gave me increased accuracy so that I could help front-players out if needed. Short barrel for increased mobility and close-quarters combat.19:32
crashanddiesorry, "marker"19:33
lardmanjkt: well it might be possible to remove the 0.2-x version, but I guess the -X part would be useful for the maemo port if it requires significant changes to the mainline19:33
jktlardman: my "0.1" is ancient, his "0.1-1" and "0.2-1" are based on very similar codebase and differ essentially just in the Maemo GUI work19:33
jktlardman: yes, I guess that development on Maemo GUI and on the IMAP core do not correlate much19:34
lardmando you plan to release a 0.2 any time soon?19:34
lardmanin which case he could bump to 0.2-319:34
jktI could, yeah19:34
lardmanthen keep your numbing for the main part, and add the dash stuff for maemo-isations19:34
jktso I could call "0.2" the stuff I have in mainline right now, okay19:35
lardmanyeah, that's my suggestion anyway19:35
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lardmanyou might want to also think about whether you'll want point releases - I don't know if a dash is higher than a point19:36
jktwell, the only thing which was holding me back from that is that I've a refactoring going on in a separate branch, so essentially any bugreports I get about that version I release might not be that much useful :(19:36
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lardmani.e. is 0.2-3 higher than 0.2.1-3?19:36
slonopotamuswell. running n900 at a higher cpu freq makes more sense wrt the fact that usb connectors still tear off and are fixed by whole motherboard replacement :)19:36
jktI come from gentoo land where 0.2.1-r3 is higher (we add a "-rXXX" for iterations of the packaging work)19:36
slonopotamusjkt: -r is special19:37
alteregodash is lower19:37
lardmanthan point19:37
jktso 0.2-3 < 0.2.1-2? that's cool (and expected)19:37
crashanddieoh, specifying, not concluding, my bad.19:38
slonopotamusjkt: debian policy has exact description on version strings and dpkg-smth is capable of comparing them19:38
lardmanin which case you're fine, just ask him to use mainline and bump the dash version for his changes19:38
jktthanks a lot for your advice, guys19:38
slonopotamusjkt: dpkg --compare-versions19:38
* jkt installs dpkg on his Gentoo box19:40
slonopotamusjkt: dpkg --compare-versions 0.2-3 lt 0.2.1-2 && echo 'less!'19:40
slonopotamusjkt: outputs less!19:40
slonopotamusjkt: you have dpkg in maemo19:40
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crashanddieman, I've been on unlimited moderating status for over 2 weeks now on slashdot19:41
crashanddieas soon as I hit 1 moderation point, I get 5 again19:41
jktslonopotamus: I don't have a Maemo device19:41
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crashanddielardman: what are you working on these days wrt to Maemo?19:42
lardmanjkt: the maemo-patcher can compare, I think that should work fine and in any case your current numbering system doesn't need to know whether -<.19:42
lardmancrashanddie: mbarcode19:42
crashanddielardman: got any C++ stuff I could dig into?19:42
lardmanyeah, see above19:42
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lardmanmaemo-barcode in Garage19:42
slonopotamusjkt: any debian-based distro will also work :)19:42
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lardmanyou want work to do or something to look at?19:42
crashanddiewell, if you got bite-sized chunks of things to do19:42
slonopotamusjkt: there's also some crappy concept of "epochs"19:43
lardmantake a look at both the Garage page and the mbarcode thread in TMO19:43
crashanddieI've got an interview on wednesday, need to undust the c++ skills19:43
lardmanthere's a todo list on the Garage page19:43
lardmansome might be done now mind you, I've been away for 3 weeks19:44
jktslonopotamus: thanks, I'll rtfm more, but I guess I can release 0.2 anyway, and the code will be very similar19:44
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crashanddielardman: mind giving me a quick sitrep about the abook lookup thingy?19:45
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lardmanabook header won't compile using C++ compiler, at least not easily19:45
slonopotamusjkt: debian policy works as a good reference manual for packaging for non-portage systems :)19:45
lardmanwould be good to wrap it so we can call the abook stuff directly rather than needing to write vCards to a file, then opening the file19:45
lardmanbut, the current method does work, so it's probably not essential19:46
crashanddieyeah, but seems like a fun task19:46
lardmanof more interest would be some good webpage parsing plugins19:46
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crashanddieor that19:46
slonopotamuslardman: don't you just wrap #include in extern "C" { ... } ?19:46
crashanddielardman: are you using any web libraries?19:46
DocScrutinizererr wut? writing vcards to file? :-S19:46
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lardmanto perform a lookup of an EAN, and return in some standard format stuff like name, author, desc, review, tracks, etc., etc19:46
jktslonopotamus: my ultimate goal for world domination was to have the packaging done by third parties :)19:47
lardmanDocScrutinizer: and then using MIME to open them using the Contacts app19:47
DocScrutinizerfriggin berkley db19:47
crashanddiejkt: is this some morbid joke where you wrap dead people in giftwrap?19:47
slonopotamusjkt: hehe :) that just requires convincing one man per distro of packaging your app :)19:47
DocScrutinizerI guess barisione's ringtone app doesn't do that to injext special X-RINGTONE field to contacts, or to read that out19:48
lardmancrashanddie: the other one I'm working on now is a plugin that allows external apps to register an interest (and button) so that they can be called and passed barcode info using DBus19:49
jktslonopotamus: in this particular phase, I just wanted to package software, but well, now that you've revealed my ultimate plans, I have no option but to, well, eliminate you19:49
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lardmanso that might be of use for e.g. existing shopping list apps, mapping apps (geo://), etc19:49
infobotslonopotamus meant: yay!19:50
jktsorry, tab doesn't work for me today19:50
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marcusAnybody know how to right-click in microB?19:50
crashanddiemarcus: tap and hold19:50
marcusAha, I see now, yeah. I totally forgot that!19:51
lardmanslonopotamus: no clue, perhaps, I'm not a C++ programmer19:51
lardmancrashanddie: re web libs, what do you mean?19:51
slonopotamuslardman: me neither. that never was an excuse :)19:51
crashanddielardman: well, the easiest way to parse a webpage is to use a DOM format19:51
lardmanI know, well I was short of time then :)19:51
lardmansure, so a lib to do the parsing19:51
crashanddielardman: and the only valid way to do so.19:51
lardmanno, I've not had time to work out the api and write anything19:52
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crashanddielardman: I don't think we need to write anything, there's bunchloads of libs that do that19:52
barisioneDocScrutinizer: hm?19:52
lardmanbut that would be very useful, as all we really have atm are the barcodes - they can be sent to Google, but that's not as useful as doing the lookup and returning the actual info19:52
DocScrutinizerbarisione: [2010-08-02 18:45:54] <lardman> would be good to wrap it so we can call the abook stuff directly rather than needing to write vCards to a file, then opening the file19:52
barisionelardman: the abook headers should work in C++, in the past they didn't because the maemo port of gtk broke it19:53
barisionelardman: and yeah, there are better ways to import stuff in the address book19:53
lardmanbarisione: hmm, how recently were they changed? They wouldn't work a month or so ago iirc19:53
crashanddielardman: ok, will look into that, which trunk is the current version? mbarcode-qt or maemo-barcode?19:53
barisionelardman: it was supposed to be fixed in pr1.219:53
lardmanplugins in mbarcode-qt-plugins19:53
barisionelardman: what's the problem?19:53
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lardmanbarisione: compilation problems that look to be C vs C++ related, I don't have it here as this was from a month or more ago19:54
barisioneDocScrutinizer: and berkley db what?19:54
lardmancrashanddie: someone who knows DOM/JSON/whatever those damn parsers use would be very useful :)19:55
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: abook db is berkley I've been told19:56
barisioneyes, but you aren't touching it directly, are you?19:57
crashanddielardman|afk: Qt provides a DOM parser, so I'll be looking into that. Every parser is the same, you just load a document, locate whatever you need to locate, and extract the information. Pretty simple really.19:59
slonopotamusDocScrutinizer, jacekowski: is it time for open initfs yet?19:59
DocScrutinizerbarisione: obviously not, due to missing tools for berkley19:59
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mikhasbarisione, lardman: I am using abook in C++ code myself, no compilation problems19:59
DocScrutinizerno python bindings for that?20:00
barisioneDocScrutinizer: missing tools? and even if there were tools, would you really want to read it directly? that's evil20:00
mikhascrashanddie, and every DOM parser clogs up your memory =p20:01
crashanddiemikhas: well, only if you use them wrong20:01
DocScrutinizersure it's evil. But as it's now there's no way at all to access on a painless level in e.g scripts or python programs?20:01
crashanddiemikhas: and since I've ported libxerces to maemo, I have a fair understanding of how they work ;)20:01
crashanddiemikhas: but yeah, some parsers suck donkey balls.20:01
mikhascrashanddie, there is a right way to parse large documents with DOM parsers?20:01
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crashanddiemikhas: sure. Use SAX :D20:02
mikhaswell ...20:02
barisioneDocScrutinizer: but why would you access it directly? the DB is just an internal thing20:02
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mikhasI actually prefer sax parsers20:02
DocScrutinizerI was thinking about doing exactly what you did, but not on such an involved level of C++ coding20:03
DocScrutinizerso I stopped that project20:03
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barisionetouching the DB directly is a sure way to break stuff20:03
DocScrutinizerwell, I considered to keep the X-RINGTONE field as a comment20:04
crashanddiemikhas: as with everything, you have to code with a specific target in mind -- speed or memory. In case of the N900, speed will never be blistering, and memory is a frivolous thing...20:04
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barisionewell, but there is an API to access it and the format of the DB can change (and changed in the past)20:04
mikhasyou mean, dont use xml? =p20:04
mikhas(and the API even works)20:04
DocScrutinizerbarisione: granted. I just want a cmdline tool to access it. No matter which api that cmdline tool is based on20:05
DocScrutinizersee, I hate all stuff in unix not accessable via cmdline20:05
barisionepython has modules for it and the abook bit that access it is open20:05
crashanddiemikhas: also, I tend to prefer SAX myself (as a Java dev). Qt is quite event driven as well, so it kinda makes sense20:05
DocScrutinizerpython has? :-D20:06
barisionebut if you try to modify the DB you will break stuff (there are external indices)20:06
DocScrutinizerso that's enough cmdliny for me20:06
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DocScrutinizerbarisione: I didn't plan to edit it in hex editor :-P20:06
DocScrutinizerI'm aware you easily can fsckup DB20:07
crashanddiecan I do dist-upgrade in scratchbox?20:07
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barisionecrashanddie: yes20:09
DocScrutinizerbarisione: just a short reminder as I forgot: is your ringtone app in extras-devel now, or external .deb?20:09
barisionecrashanddie: but it could break stuff that you could have to fix manually20:09
DocScrutinizerk, thnx20:09
DocScrutinizer(need to re-install, after nuking it yesterday)20:09
crashanddiebarisione: so should I apt-get update first? Or just dist-upgrade directly?20:10
GNU\caust1cis it possible to increase the frequency range the fm receiver can receive?20:10
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crashanddieGNU\caust1c: nope -- you can get the japanese frequencies IIRC, but not much more20:11
DocScrutinizerGNU\caust1c: 78..10820:11
crashanddieas in, don't ask to receive FM 800Mhz20:11
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barisionecrashanddie: I just use update+upgrade in my (internal version) of scratchbox. doing it has been known for breaking things, but it was for internal updates and tbh I never had any problem20:11
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crashanddiewell, I'll try, if it breaks, I'll just nuke it and reinstall20:12
DocScrutinizerGNU\caust1c: though... I never checked back with the chip's datasheet20:12
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GNU\caust1cokay :)20:13
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MOUDHey all20:14
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MOUDIs anyone running an overclocked n900?20:14
DocScrutinizerMOUD: NO!20:15
DocScrutinizereverybody doing that is running a broken N90020:15
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MOUDDocScrutinizer, ok ok, no need to be all in capital letters20:15
DocScrutinizer~tell MOUD about omap-oc20:15
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SpeedEvilI think actually there are no reports of overclocking failures as all who have tried have been killed in the explosion.20:16
DocScrutinizerMOUD: sorry that's your nick :-P20:16
PolarFoxCapital punishment for OC20:16
MOUDno problem :)20:16
TomaszDoff with his head20:17
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MOUDis anyone running psx4all on maemo? If so, which version do you use?20:24
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MOUDI got to go. Bye everyone20:29
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chadidoesn't nitdroid run at 1ghz on teh n900?20:31
BugBlueoverclocking to run software that doesn't do real good powermanagement yet?20:33
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lardman|afkmikhas: sorry for the delay, is your code available for me to look at?20:34
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mikhaslardman|afk, it is, but it will make your eyes bleed20:35
mikhascan you afford losing them?20:35
* crashanddie offers his eyes for lardman|afk's survival20:35
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Shapeshiftermhh. thought I'd try out tear. launching it restarted my device...20:36
Shapeshifteris there any simple KISS browser for maemo?20:36
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lardman|afkmikhas: lol20:37
lardman|afkwhat was the required special incarnation to get it to work then?20:37
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lardman|afkincantation even20:37
mikhaslardman|afk, see (check for the ugly ifdefs) - but you've been warned!20:37
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mikhasit is simply not cleaned up20:37
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mikhasbut when mixing gtk+, abook and Qt this is no suprise20:38
lardman|afkthanks, will take a look and see if I can get it working20:38
mikhasyou should be able to do it without the gtk+ stuff, as that is only for dialogs. you're mostly interested in the data from abook20:38
lardman|afkyeah, exactly, I'd hoped the contacts app backend would have already been wrapped in the Qt stuff really20:38
lardman|afkyep, so just glib stuff needed20:39
mikhaswell, the contact roster should be easy to redo20:39
mikhas(in a Qt-ish way)20:39
Venemolardman|afk: Qt Mobility may help you with that20:39
lardman|afkthis slow break from gtk+ to Qt is as bad if not worse than the pr1.2 break in terms of lost productivity20:39
lardman|afkVenemo: does it work/is it available in the repo?20:40
mikhas(and does it use abook?)20:40
Venemolardman|afk: Qt Mobility can access the contacts from the contacts app, yes20:41
Venemolardman|afk: although it is not a very good solution yet20:41
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lardman|afkhmm, well assuming the api won't change that might be worth a look20:42
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lardman|afkI'll see if I can find it in the repo and do some reading - I did look at it a month or so ago to use it for file opening based on mime types, but it didn't work20:43
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mikhasVenemo, got details regarding "although it is not a very good solution yet"20:43
Venemomikhas: yes20:43
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mikhasI mean, the answer should be binary =p20:43
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Venemomikhas: it does only work with latin character20:44
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lardman|afkhmm, well that's actually a limitation of mbarcode atm too, so perhaps not such a major problem20:46
lardman|afkI guess you're working on fixing that?20:46
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Venemoalready fixed20:48
Venemofix is just not yet released20:48
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lardmanok, I'll have another look and also see if I can't remember what the issue was of the openurl() vs hildonmime openuri fn20:49
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lardmanI'm going to follow suit, bbl20:53
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technomikeOh no!!20:54
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technomikeMy N900 won't get past Nokia screen20:54
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fralswould be great if all the coding competition voting threads would be unstickied in applications subforum now ;o21:00
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GNU\caust1cagain about the fm radio: i can only go down to 87.5 (using the fm radio program). i guess its some regional restriction?21:05
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DocScrutinizerfsckng 4682 posts on overclocking-N900? tmo thread21:21
* DocScrutinizer facepalms21:21
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DocScrutinizerGNU\caust1c: using FM-booster/whatever app you can extend to some 78MHz iirc21:22
lcukDocScrutinizer, ok, so theres a diehard group of 3-4 people21:22
lcuki recall the pr1.2 thread had about 100k posts and was mostly populated by only a handful of folks :D21:23
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DocScrutinizerWUT? 100k??? :-O21:23
lcuksomething silly like that21:23
GNU\caust1cfm-booster is only for the sender, no?21:23
* lcuk cannot remember offhand21:23
DocScrutinizereliza chatting with /dev/urandom?21:23
DocScrutinizerwell this seems a matching tag for whole tmo :-P21:24
meceGNU\caust1c: yes.21:24
SpeedEvilGNU\caust1c: yes21:24
DocScrutinizerGNU\caust1c: oops yes, but there's something for RX as well21:25
GNU\caust1cokay, i'll search, thanks :)21:25
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tobis87hi! i have installed sshfs and adduser, after that added the group fuse and added user to fuse.  i also have changed /dev/fuse with chgrp to root.fuse. i can mount, but when i want to umount with fusermount -u mountpoint, i do get "filesystem is not in fstab"21:26
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mecehmm-- bzflag.21:27
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tobis87what am I doing wrong?21:27
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tobis87on the n90021:28
meceomg bzflag has the longest list of things to check in condigure I've ever seen.. daaaam!21:28
infobotmece meant: omg bzflag has the longest list of things to check in configure I've ever seen.. daaaam!21:29
meceerrm.. oops21:29
* mece is "making"21:29
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technomikeDo I really need to install linux just to use the flasher app to flash my N900 to get it working again? :'(21:30
toggles_wno, you could run an ubuntu live cd21:30
* toggles_w ducks21:30
technomikeDamn but I21:31
toggles_wthere should be a windows version21:31
technomikewould still have to dl21:31
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toggles_wbut that's not very techno mike21:31
technomikeI installed the rescueboot app, made backup images, and I screwed up something today, so I went and fired up the rescueboot menu and restored rootfs, now its not getting past the nokia screen and rescueboot won't even boot :(21:32
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tobis87i can however umount with root, should i therefore put fusermount into sudoers? on my other linux machines it does work.21:32
tobis87without putting it in sudoers21:33
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DocScrutinizertobis87: fstab gets mangled on boot time. So it's basically unusable21:36
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tobis87i do mount it manuell, so there was never an entry in fstab21:36
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tobis87but unmounting a fuse filesystem should work without root21:37
DocScrutinizerhmm, maybe21:37
technomiketoggles_w - Many thanks, and sorry for my non-googling first before asking :P I found the same link from Google.21:38
technomikeThanks :)21:38
toggles_wno wukkas21:38
DocScrutinizermaybe only for the user actually mounting it? maybe for the user under group fuse?21:38
tobis87i have already added user to the group fuse, which i had to create first21:39
tobis87and i also have chgrp /dev/fuse to root.fuse21:39
toggles_wdamn i wish i'd paid more attention in math 2 321:40
tobis87and i was able to mount it as an user not as root. yes i know that fstab gets mangled, since i changed the swap partition to a virtual created with ramzswap (compcache)21:40
DocScrutinizerand you tried to run fusermount -u mountpoint under which user, which in turn has which group permissions?21:40
DocScrutinizerhmm, sorry no idea then21:41
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tobis87DocScrutinizer: i run fusermount -u as an user, the default n900 user. and this user is also in the group fuse21:42
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* DocScrutinizer wonders who's been the guy to share a livecam view ofer fusefs, from N90021:45
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cehtehi once sshfs mounted my server on the DCIM folder21:53
cehtehinstant publishing21:54
tobis87DocScrutinizer: Thank you anyway. Are there any news on USB hostmode? I also have read that there is hardware crypto acceleration inside the TI OMAP 3430?!21:54
DocScrutinizercehteh: yeah, it's been you21:54
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DocScrutinizertobis87: hostmode is a little bit in hybernation atm. But may change in a few days when old OM folks get their devel devices and join in21:55
DocScrutinizerpaul and mickey uttered threats they won't leave it untouched :-D21:56
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cehteh :)21:56
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mrmokuDocScrutinizer: you can bet :)21:57
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DocScrutinizerand mrmoku of course :-D21:57
SpeedEvilcehteh: that's disgusting.21:57
SpeedEvilcehteh: The lights are _way_ blowing out the image.21:57
cehtehyes just snapshots, and before i used a black marker to paint the lens slider rim21:58
cehtehthe photos are not good21:58
cehtehbut the food was good .. Chemnitzer Linuxtage :)21:59
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lcukcehteh, instant publishing maybe, but I tried that a while ago and having and expecting data to be live written like that causes problems - much better to have something watching specific folders and upload those using whatever conncetivity is available22:01
cehtehyeah prolly not the lights :)22:01
lcukout of band with the activity22:01
cehtehthis was just a joke but worked well22:02
technomikeSorry if this sounds stupid, but flashing my device will not cause me to lose the eMMC contents will it? (The data on the mass storage, 32gb memory)22:02
technomikeJust confirming22:02
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cehtehunless you flash the emmc image, no22:02
tobis87DocScrutinizer: I have already buyed an female to female usb adapter for this, but as far as I have understood it, It will only support a certain amount of mA? Is there a hardware list which lists ethernet to usb nics and their amount of mA they need to work?22:02
SpeedEviltobis87: any will work.22:03
SpeedEviltobis87: It supports the full normal amount of power USB provides.22:04
SpeedEviltobis87: However. It is not yet working.22:04
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SpeedEvil(usb host)22:04
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GNU\caust1chm, i cannot find anything about increasing the fm receiver range in the forum :/22:04
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SpeedEvilGNU\caust1c: you mean reciever?22:05
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technomikeI don22:05
GNU\caust1creceiver, i guess22:05
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DocScrutinizertobis87: not anyone I know of, and limit is 200mA22:05
SpeedEvilGNU\caust1c: plug USB lead into top of phone, phones into bottom. That may help.22:05
SpeedEvilErr - I thought it was 500.22:06
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* SpeedEvil wonders where he got that from.22:06
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GNU\caust1cSpeedEvil: i'm trying to increase the frequency range22:06
SpeedEvilGNU\caust1c: Ah - you can't.22:06
technomikewait, I don't need to download any images if I have image backups of rootfs and optfs do I ? I can just flash those directly22:06
SpeedEvilGNU\caust1c: Well - you can't - over the hardware spec - which is considerably wider than 88-10822:06
SpeedEvilGNU\caust1c: what range?22:06
GNU\caust1ci want to use the asian range22:07
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th3hateWhere does maemo store contacts information? is there is specific folder?22:07
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cehtehth3hate: some sqlite db somewhere22:08
tobis87DocScrutinizer: :-(, at least I could sync my data from a 3.5'' disk.22:09
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GNU\caust1cyeah, found that thread22:11
SpeedEvilthe FM reciever is controlled through the video4linux API22:12
SpeedEvilyou need some software to poke this - in the absence of the GUI doing it22:12
SpeedEvilI'd also wonder if FMRadio could be simply modified to do this, I suspect so22:13
DocScrutinizerping TomaszD, he should know all about it22:13
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th3hatecehteh, i think the sqlite db is in the 256MB NAND memory where the rootfs is22:14
cehtehi doubt that .. but i forgot the location22:15
cehtehth3hate: /home/user/.osso-abook/db/22:16
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th3hatecehteh, thanks22:17
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, not me22:18
DocScrutinizeryup, was cehteh22:19
nox-which repo has unzip?22:19
DocScrutinizerth3hate: it's a berkley db22:20
DocScrutinizerno SQLite22:20
nox-and has anyone used cpan on an n900?22:20
th3hatehow to open it?22:20
DocScrutinizersee backscroll, search for berkley22:20
DocScrutinizeror for barisione22:20
th3hatewill try now22:21
SpeedEvil GNU\caust1c22:22
DocScrutinizernox-: unzip is either devel or tools22:22
SpeedEvilGNU\caust1c: which raises the possibility it may be more complex22:23
SpeedEvil(due to above limits)22:23
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: are there any decent datasheets for that friggin broadcom chip?22:23
SpeedEvildunno, I've not looked22:24
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DocScrutinizerthat might explain why the hardware wiki pages don't hold any link :-P22:24
nox-thx, ill look22:24
th3hateWhen i connect n900 via usb it says not charging insufficent power22:24
th3hatehow to give sufficent power?22:24
SpeedEvilth3hate: Take the USB cable apart, and wire teh red and blank leads directly to a mains plug, and plug it in.22:25
SpeedEvil(no, not really)22:25
SpeedEvilyou're plugging it into a PC>22:25
SpeedEvilPlug it directly in, not through an unpowered hub22:25
th3hateit's plugged directly22:26
GNU\caust1cSpeedEvil: hmk22:26
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DocScrutinizerth3hate: if the PC is enummerating it as a 500mA device, and that's not sufficient, then you probably do nasty things like overclocking, running joghurt sport, or dunno  what22:26
th3hateused to charge 30 min's ago but stopped now22:26
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th3hateactually stopped after transfering a 4GB movie22:27
kerioDocScrutinizer: making coffee!22:27
DocScrutinizerkerio: for `sudo make c0ffe` you need working hostmode, and that doesn't match with plugging it into a PC22:28
keriono, i mean, with the n90022:28
DocScrutinizersure, me too22:29
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keriooverclock it to 1ghz and run a primality test for a very large number22:29
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keriothat'll heat it up nicely22:29
DocScrutinizerstill you need the stirring motor attached to USB in Hostmode22:29
* DocScrutinizer steals 15kg of raspberries from SpeedEvil and runs22:30
technomikedoes flashing restore rootfs only or rootfs and oftfs?22:30
crashanddieJaffa: is there anything else you need doing?22:31
SpeedEvilPlease, take them!22:31
DocScrutinizerflashing COMBINED will restore rootfs (and /opt), flashing VANILLA will erase and restore the eMMC22:32
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DocScrutinizerwhich is basically /opt, /home, and ~user/MyDocs22:33
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DocScrutinizerso flashing VANILLA always needs to flash COMBINED, preferably after that22:33
DocScrutinizerto restore /opt22:34
DocScrutinizerand ~user/*22:34
DocScrutinizerbtw wtf is oftfs?22:36
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technomikeso I am right to be flashing RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin22:36
technomikebecause I do NOT want to erase eMMC22:36
DocScrutinizeryep, if you're in "203"22:36
technomikeI am :)22:36
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DocScrutinizergo ahead22:36
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technomikeThanks alot. Just wanted to confirm. Because need the contents on the eMMC :P22:37
DocScrutinizerbut anyway do a backup using backup tool22:37
technomikeI already have backup images on the eMMC, I tried to do a rootfs restore before, and it messed up and bricked my N900.22:38
technomikebackup images of rootfs and optfs22:38
technomikeusing RescueBoot22:38
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technomikeDo you know what I mean? Not sure if its called RescueBoot now... but I think it is22:39
DocScrutinizerno, I'm talking about simple backup app to save your desktop settings and whatnot22:39
technomikeAh yeah"22:39
technomikewell here we go. going to attempt flash now22:39
* DocScrutinizer waves22:39
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keriowhy do i have libsdl-mixer1.2 *still* conflicting?22:55
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slonopotamuskerio: because it's maemo.22:56
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technomikeIts done :) Thanks DocScrutinizer23:01
EchooAnyone here who has more then 4 desktops on their N900?23:02
EchooI saw a thread about it on but it wasn't all clear if it worked or not23:02
EchooAnd how it effects the phone23:02
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Echooyeah yeah,,,English isn't my native language23:03
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Echoosaw it, but didn't wanna correct myself hehe23:03
crashanddieneither is it mine.23:03
tank-manmy speech to text program isnt perfect either23:03
Echooanyways back to the question pl0x23:03
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crashanddietank-man: stt apps don't write "isn't"23:04
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tank-manmy text to speech app isnt named Data23:06
GNU\caust1cthx :)23:06
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mecehmm bzflag compiles and runs just fine in scratchbox x86..23:08
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tobis87How many times can you reflash the n900 before the memory wears?23:09
tobis87or will the cpu of the n900 be long dead before the memory starts to wear?23:10
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nox-i guess there is not another repo with perl things like Text::Iconv?23:11
luke-jrtobis87: if you're just reflashing, that's trivial23:11
nid0in realistic terms, your n900 will be in a museum and youll be dead before the flash memory in the device nackers from writes23:11
luke-jrtobis87: be worried about journal and swap first23:11
lcuktobis87, there are people who flash n900s many times a day (myself, Stskeeps and a load more around here) and have yet to see memory device eol23:11
tobis87luke-jr: i already do i use ramzswap with a size of 32mb and the swap as backing store.23:12
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luke-jrtobis87: does that make a difference?23:13
luke-jrN900 swaps too much period23:13
nid0lower swappiness tbh23:13
luke-jrtobis87: personally, I want to use swap on external MicroSD23:13
luke-jrfaster and disposable23:13
tobis87lcuk: i have done so many modifications to the n900, and i have not flashed it for two month.23:13
luke-jrbut Fremantle kernel likes to panic over it23:13
lcuktobis87, my devices go through phases23:15
tobis87luke-jr: not with the latest from may, it is fixed. i set swapiness to 50 and it swaps out ~80MB with 5 application opened, 80mb is size witch fit inside the 32mb ramzswap, because it is compressed.23:15
lcuksometimes the flashes last a week or two, other times multiple flashes a day23:16
luke-jrtobis87: the 20101501 has the problem23:17
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marcus_What are the differences between VLC and VLC-player in n900 repository?23:17
prontoone gets you laid23:17
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marcus_pronto: Oh gawd!23:17
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prontoi'm useless, i know , i'll shut up now23:18
marcus_pronto: By some 3d hologram or?23:18
pronto4d o.o23:18
prontoit's one more D then 3D , like my report cards!23:18
marcus_pronto: So I can smell her as well?23:18
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SpeedEvilmarcus_: No - it supports over bluetooth23:18
lcukpronto, can you identify which is which?23:19
marcus_Back on topic though :p23:19
lcukor is it like schrodingers pussy?23:19
prontothat is for you to figure out and me to BOOM!23:19
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lcukSpeedEvil, i like the rugged bombproof case that comes in23:19
marcus_So pronto: Could you go back in time and find out which one _didn't_ get you laid, so I can get right one?23:20
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pronto ;_;23:20
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tobis87sorry I have got things messed up, yes it is the version form january. i hacked the fstab creation file to point it to ramzswap and added the "/sbin/modprobe ramzswap && sleep 1" before the swapon -a in a startup file23:21
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tobis87luke-jr: my version is form 20100124:
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* crashanddie is classifying/archiving/cleaning up his inbox for the first time in 9 months23:41
crashanddie4800 emails to go through...23:42
technomikeI have to go through and clean my inbox out, only around 2000 though for me23:42
technomike*- only23:43
tobis87imap or local?23:43
crashanddietobis87: gmail23:44
technomikesame ^23:44
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trumeeanybody trying g729 codec on N900, dont bother, it eats 20% more cpu than pcmu23:44
trumeeg729 on N900 is a fail23:45
trumeeluke-jr: what codec do you use for talking to asterisk?23:45
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alteregoActually it appears my keyboard is working fine now ..23:47
alteregoOh well, I suppose I can consider the replacement I ordered a nice refurb, as the buttons are wearing out on this keyboard.23:48
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GAN900100% cpu scrolling stick23:55
GAN900I love it23:55
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