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| lcuk | huh GAN900 - what did you do to overload things? | 00:01 |
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| GAN900 | lcuk, just using the stupid thing day-to-day. | 00:03 |
| GAN900 | scrolling while rendering is apparently too much to ask | 00:03 |
| lcuk | rendering what? the mona lisa? what did you have running at the time | 00:03 |
| GAN900 | Much like the rest of the Maemo experience, it's rough, choppy and unpleasant. | 00:03 |
| GAN900 | Just loading a silly Talk thread. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | what else did you have running? | 00:04 |
| GAN900 | 100% CPU is a poor excuse to have keys stick | 00:04 |
| GAN900 | FBReader, XChat, two SMS windows. | 00:04 |
| microlith | lcuk: you don't need anything but the browser running | 00:04 |
| lcuk | GAN900, what tabs were in browser - any flash stuff? | 00:05 |
| lcuk | errr subwindows | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | One window | 00:05 |
| microlith | lcuk: it's inherent to the browser's behavior since PR1.2 | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | It's a kernel issue, supposedly. | 00:05 |
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| GAN900 | But I can hardly browse the web without the browser sticking on an arrow scroll and taking me all the way down the page. | 00:06 |
| lcuk | GAN900, i know its silly, but give me a specific url | 00:06 |
| E0x | GAN900: that happen me too | 00:06 |
| E0x | in tmo | 00:06 |
| microlith | this is not a new issue | 00:06 |
| lcuk | we have all encountered slowdowns on browser but its not an all the time thing certainly | 00:07 |
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| GAN900 | Nearly all the time. | 00:07 |
| lcuk | well give me an example of a url thats slow for you please | 00:07 |
| alterego | Can't say I've had an issue like that. | 00:07 |
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| GAN900 | If you want a URL, see the bug on the issue. | 00:07 |
| lcuk | me neither | 00:07 |
| alterego | I have to clear the history every now and again because the autocomplete is a pile of crap | 00:07 |
| lcuk | i have issues if i have many flash windows open | 00:07 |
| alterego | And when I switch to another app whilst a page is loading sometimes it just forgets it's supposed to be loading a page .. | 00:08 |
| lcuk | gmail was the most frustrating until i found out it pauses if you pan to dashboard | 00:08 |
| lcuk | alterego, thats a setting | 00:08 |
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| alterego | lcuk: ? | 00:08 |
| lcuk | open a browser | 00:09 |
| lcuk | goto options | 00:09 |
| lcuk | "allow javascript pausing" | 00:09 |
| microlith | happens all the time, just scroll while it's still loading the page | 00:09 |
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| alterego | Erm, it's not javascript | 00:11 |
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| alterego | Just normal web pages .. | 00:11 |
| microlith | there we are | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | https://twitter.com/lcuk/status/20167832025 | 00:11 |
| microlith | bug 10289 | 00:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10289 Arrow keys scroll inconsistently | 00:11 |
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| lcuk | alterego, depends on how the page is being loaded - isnt gmail basically all js? | 00:11 |
| alterego | I don't use gmail | 00:12 |
| alterego | I'm talking about going to any webpage. | 00:12 |
| alterego | Whilst it's loading if you change to another app. | 00:12 |
| alterego | Then go back, most of the time for me it doesn't bother loading the page. I have to refresh it to get it to load and not change app. | 00:12 |
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| lcuk | mm | 00:14 |
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| * lcuk ponders who can trace these things | 00:15 | |
| luke-jr | trumee: nfc. probably ulaw or gsm | 00:15 |
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| trumee | does gsm consumes lower cpu than gsm? | 00:16 |
| pronto | only on tuesdays | 00:16 |
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| alterego | Did anyone else think that didn't make any sense?> | 00:17 |
| trumee | luke-jr, i think as much as i like g729 on 3g i will have to go with ulaw | 00:18 |
| technomike | hahahahahaha | 00:18 |
| technomike | just realised that myself too alterego | 00:18 |
| derf | alterego: Not as good as | 00:18 |
| derf | 19:05:29 < Robin_Watts> CPU usage for compression or decompression ? | 00:18 |
| derf | 19:05:45 < Guest94857> no cpu, it's a phone | 00:18 |
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| pronto | :> | 00:19 |
| alterego | Hahah | 00:19 |
| nox- | haha | 00:19 |
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| alterego | Oh dear ... | 00:22 |
| alterego | The Media player on MeeGo looks a little like that which we have on Maemo :) | 00:22 |
| kerio | oh shit | 00:23 |
| alterego | I don't think they're going to be using mafw though | 00:23 |
| alterego | Which is a shame, I really like mafw .. | 00:23 |
| pronto | http://www.mafw.org/ mafw? | 00:24 |
| alterego | O_O | 00:24 |
| pronto | >.> | 00:24 |
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| alterego | Noticed the new kernel released today had "imrpoved brtfs" :) | 00:30 |
| derf | Does it not corrupt your fs when you run out of space yet? | 00:31 |
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| tobis87 | I like this new driver in the kernel release, through only for Atom, Core i3, i5 and i7: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=2671717265ae6e720a9ba5f13fbec3a718983b65 | 00:34 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, ive made a note of the bug and will do what I can to chase it up | 00:37 |
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| crashanddie | derf: where the hell was that? | 00:44 |
| derf | #vorbis | 00:44 |
| crashanddie | damn, gmail leaks memory like an alzheimer's patient on viagra | 00:44 |
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| kerio | why the viagra? :| | 00:45 |
| crashanddie | leaking :P | 00:45 |
| crashanddie | anyway, first time my gmail inbox is empty in over 9 months! | 00:45 |
| kerio | viagra makes you lose memory? | 00:45 |
| kerio | also select all->archive | 00:45 |
| kerio | THERE | 00:45 |
| crashanddie | kerio: nha, I have plenty of tags | 00:46 |
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| crashanddie | kerio: business, work, friends, bike, motorbike, writing, website, maemo, family, dontlikethisperson, etc | 00:47 |
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| crashanddie | receipts, hobbies, photography, other | 00:47 |
| kerio | autotag | 00:47 |
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| crashanddie | lol, shutting down my ubuntu vm for the first time in over 2 years | 00:49 |
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| crashanddie | my hard drive is dying | 00:49 |
| kerio | crashanddie: :'( | 00:50 |
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| crashanddie | I didn't mean litteraly, more like, it's suffering | 00:51 |
| crashanddie | anyway, going upstairs, bbl | 00:52 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:57 |
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| mkargar | hello!i have 900!i recorded audio by ''recorder'' app and save it with name ''file''!since of first recorded,i recorded second audio and saved it with same name!''file''!in fact second audio recorded overwritten on the first audio recorded!now,i want my first audio!how to recover it?! | 01:52 |
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| mhmh | anyone had any luck getting silverlight streaming to work on the n900? | 01:55 |
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| mkargar | please help me!!? | 01:58 |
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| nox- | mkargar, if recovery apps didnt help do a dd of the umass device from a pc and give it to someone who knows how to find data on fat fses... | 02:01 |
| cehteh | and dont write anything else to the filesystem .. better put it readonly instantly | 02:02 |
| nox- | that too | 02:02 |
| nedko | hi, i've bought a new micro sd card and put it in my n900. i see it but order of cards is not correct. the internal one (30G+) is mmc1 and the external one (8G) is mmc0. however i see in dmesg that swap is set on mmc0p3 that is a non existing partition | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | nedko: kernel numbers != userspace numbers | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | except on alternative OSs | 02:03 |
| mkargar | nox-:what pc app is best for recovery? | 02:03 |
| nedko | luke-jr: how this is achieved? | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | recuva if you're using windows | 02:04 |
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| cehteh | was it stored on card or internal memory? | 02:04 |
| ShadowJK | nedko, at some point they get renamed, the old names stick around in a few random places :( | 02:04 |
| mkargar | MohammadAG51:recuva is recovery app? | 02:05 |
| cehteh | anyways if it was really important i'd instantly pull the battery out (no clean shutdown) ... but if you dont know how to proceed or it was not *that* important just forget about it and safe the trouble | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes | 02:05 |
| ShadowJK | There used to be issue where kernel gave them different names if you booted first without card and then added one, and other way around | 02:05 |
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| cehteh | can the flasher make a image from the emmc too? | 02:06 |
| nox- | well doing a dd of the device doesnt hurt, you can still decide later what to try on that | 02:06 |
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| mkargar | MohammadAG51:ok!i test it! | 02:06 |
| nedko | hmm, i see /lib/udev/mmc_id being used in udev ruleset | 02:06 |
| cehteh | nox-: there are so much apps writing to the flash and you dont really know whats going on | 02:07 |
| cehteh | prolly the recording is already destroyed :P | 02:07 |
| nox- | cehteh, also the MyDocs fs? | 02:07 |
| cehteh | depends .. | 02:07 |
| nox- | mm | 02:07 |
| cehteh | i dont know what apps he is using | 02:07 |
| ShadowJK | nedko, iostat and /proc/partitions disagree on mine iirc :) | 02:08 |
| mkargar | MohammadAG51:it supported n900? | 02:08 |
| nedko | ShadowJK: but mount does agree | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG51 | umm, it supports mass storage devices | 02:08 |
| nedko | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 | 02:08 |
| povbot | Bug 2747: inconsistent mmc device naming at boot time when one card is missing | 02:08 |
| cehteh | mhm no flasher cant get an image out from the device .. but iirc there was some receipe how to do that | 02:09 |
| mkargar | MohammadAG51:ok!very thx!i test it! | 02:09 |
| ShadowJK | nedko, be very careful when tocuhing stuff so you dont do it on wrong card.. | 02:09 |
| cehteh | mkargar: in any case make a image from the flash first | 02:10 |
| cehteh | dont run a recovery app on the device flash | 02:10 |
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| nox- | true | 02:10 |
| mkargar | cehteh:your mean is backup? | 02:11 |
| nedko | ShadowJK: i noticed this occasionally because i wanted to check if n900 has a way to read the speed class from the card | 02:11 |
| cehteh | if you have enough diskspace you make a image, a copy of that image and then work on this copy | 02:11 |
| cehteh | mkargar: dont use the backup app .. raw image copy | 02:11 |
| nox- | tho depending on the recovery app it might do it readonly too | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't know speed class was a readable property.. | 02:12 |
| ShadowJK | speed is: slow, regardless of class | 02:12 |
| mkargar | cehteh:how to i want give image from my n900? | 02:13 |
| nedko | ShadowJK: i think you are wrong: http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/speed_class/ | 02:13 |
| ShadowJK | until they figure out how to squeeze in a proper FTL that can give IOPS measured in integer kIOPS ;p | 02:13 |
| nedko | ShadowJK: mine has quite good speed. 11 MiB/s read and 16 MiB/s write | 02:13 |
| cehteh | mkargar: if you dont know, rip the battery out and give it to someone who knows | 02:13 |
| cehteh | you can do more harm than good with wrong recovery attempts | 02:14 |
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| ShadowJK | nedko: those are uninteresting figures :) | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | it still degrades to 100kbyte/s if you do any I/O pattern other than thay of a digital/video camera.. :) | 02:15 |
| nedko | ShadowJK: IMO if something can record full hd video it is wrong to call it slow | 02:15 |
| mkargar | cehteh:ok!i want know how to give raw image from n900?is it dificult? | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | well it's just that in my use I never see such an access pattern :P | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | especially not with a multitasking OS | 02:16 |
| nedko | ShadowJK: i measured with a custom tool that writes and reads a single file sequentially, in direct IO mode | 02:16 |
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| ShadowJK | sequentially doesn't interest me much because it rarely happens :) | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | (atleast in my use) | 02:17 |
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| nedko | ShadowJK: what you do with your flash cards? | 02:17 |
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| ShadowJK | use them in n900 :P | 02:17 |
| lcuk | hmm update flasher was taking lots of cpu | 02:17 |
| lcuk | curious | 02:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: last night's top gear was good | 02:18 |
| nedko | when you copy/read files/backups it is quite sequential, even in with fs cache enabled... | 02:18 |
| ShadowJK | I moved the files with heaviest write activity to uSD to reduce stutter a bit | 02:18 |
| lcuk | didnt see crashanddie just been looking at some things | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, oh that helps? | 02:18 |
| lcuk | and noticed the flasher was making lots of noice | 02:18 |
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| ShadowJK | All those apps with sqlite databases are pretty evil, fsync() all the time | 02:18 |
| lcuk | i am going to backup and clean my SMS messages - which database do I move? | 02:19 |
| lcuk | and where can I get a blank from | 02:19 |
| smhar | anyone else is having problems accessing maemo.org? | 02:19 |
| lcuk | i have every message in there and keep message windows open | 02:19 |
| lcuk | from the day i got the device | 02:19 |
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| lcuk | i want to see how much of an effect clearing the db will cause | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, if you find the right stuff so that you get load spread around a bit | 02:20 |
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| ShadowJK | I think swap on uSD helps the most though.. the bigger the better | 02:20 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | (and swap on uSD at higher priority than emmc swap, of course) | 02:20 |
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| smhar | I am getting network error | 02:21 |
| lcuk | ta crashanddie | 02:21 |
| * lcuk does a full backup and then selects clear conversations from the menu first to see | 02:21 | |
| lcuk | if i need to restore I will just get from backup | 02:21 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51090 if you want some quick pointers about the python interface | 02:21 |
| * lcuk tries it as a user first | 02:21 | |
| lcuk | i will just peek into the el database and get some stats though if it has a noticable effect | 02:22 |
| lcuk | i recall on older phones eventually having to clear sms list | 02:22 |
| lcuk | and now, i talk to tracy so often on it | 02:22 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, I have tons of sms messages | 02:22 |
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| crashanddie | still loads pretty quickly though | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | I also moved ~/.config/gpodder/ to uSD.. the sqlite database updates when downloading, 500kbyte/s to MyDocs, and constant 100kByte/s of swapping easily caused 1 second hangs/stalls on my device. After the move, only gpodder hangs itself while it's waiting on the sqlite crap to push its evil to the card :) | 02:23 |
| lcuk | i have all our conversations from months ago | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | I think the display is actually quite smart | 02:23 |
| lcuk | sure | 02:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, so a uSD is faster than the eMMC? | 02:23 |
| lcuk | it has everything | 02:23 |
| lcuk | but i keep the tracy window open most of the time | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, it'a not about that | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: same here | 02:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: well, not tracy, obviously. | 02:23 |
| lcuk | heh | 02:23 |
| cehteh | raid0 between uSD and emmc :) | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | cehteh, amplifies the suck | 02:24 |
| Noma | i had one conversation with ~5000 messages, and it got noticeably quicker to open that particular conversation when i emptied it | 02:24 |
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| ShadowJK | Writing to emmc/sd is like writing to a tape drive. If it's not sequential you're in for a world of hurt. | 02:24 |
| cehteh | ShadowJK: but you can then install gentoo on the n900 | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | 50 bucks on ShadowJK ;-P | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd rather pay infobot | 02:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, $50 | 02:25 |
| * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag51 off | 02:25 | |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | rotfl | 02:25 |
| nox- | haha | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 02:26 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | *gasp* | 02:26 |
| nox- | btw is there something like a factoids listing for that bot somewhere? | 02:26 |
| crashanddie | "A New Jersey man was jailed for up to three months on Friday for making himself vomit on a fellow spectator at a baseball game, the Philadelphia district attorney's office said" | 02:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, $100 | 02:27 |
| * infobot gives mohammadag51 full service! | 02:27 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys meamo | 02:27 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'meamo' by key returned no results. | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys maemo | 02:27 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by key (18 of 19): maemo-dev ;; maemo-lists ;; maemo-qt ;; maemo-version ;; #maemo #DEL# ;; maemo-obsolete ;; maemosdk ;; maemo-man ;; xchat-maemo ;; mxr.maemo.org deb ;; maemo-sdk ;; /.maemo-mapper/paths.db ;; mxr.maemo.org ;; maemo ;; maemo-logs ;; maemo-packaging ;; maemo-brand ;; maemoclone. | 02:27 |
| crashanddie | "Britain is to ban employers looking for lap dancers, strippers, topless barmaids or sexy web-cam performers from placing adverts at Jobcentres." (Job centre = government-powered job ads) | 02:27 |
| ptl | why? | 02:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | infobot, maemo | 02:28 |
| infobot | i heard maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~listvalues maemo | 02:28 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by value (20 of 91): accelerometer ;; anidel ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bme ;; boot-sd ;; categories ;; dimming ;; extras ;; extras-upload ;; flash-partitioning ;; flashing ;; free ;; maemo ;; maemo-brand ;; maemo-man ;; maemo-obsolete ;; maemo-packaging ;; maemosdk ;; meego-obsolete ;; microb. | 02:28 |
| crashanddie | ptl: "We shouldn't put vulnerable people in an environment where they're exposed to these types of jobs and could feel under pressure to work in the sex industry." | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~bme | 02:29 |
| infobot | methinks bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME | 02:29 |
| ptl | crashanddie: oh. the same old excuses. | 02:29 |
| crashanddie | ptl: watch out, next they'll ban porn off the internet, because "they shouldn't put vulnerable people in an environment where they're exposed to these type of videos and could feel under pressure to wank off" | 02:29 |
| ptl | crashanddie: steve jobs already banned it from apple devices, it seems | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | how is that related? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: there's no complete dump of factoid db available, allegedly for privacy reasons | 02:30 |
| nox- | hm ok | 02:30 |
| crashanddie | Apple is a corporation, they can do whatever they want. Very different from a government/country with a constitution | 02:30 |
| ptl | it shows a trend. | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | oh piss off | 02:31 |
| nox- | ~more DocScrutinizer | 02:31 |
| cehteh | eww .. who changed the background in fapman? | 02:31 |
| cehteh | white text on white background ... genius | 02:31 |
| nox- | ~listvalues maemo | 02:31 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by value returned no results. | 02:31 |
| crashanddie | why the fuck are people so anal and retarded when it comes to Apple. Seriously, just let it be if they bother you. | 02:31 |
| nox- | huh | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | ~listvalues maemo | 02:32 |
| ptl | because it harms society? | 02:32 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by value returned no results. | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 02:32 |
| infobot | Since Sat Jul 31 16:07:20 2010, there have been 7 modifications, 105 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 50 commands. I have been awake for 2d 7h 24m 51s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 21708 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4767.15/155.99 child 0/0.02 | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | lol | 02:32 |
| ptl | ~listfamilyvalues | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | omg, now we witnessed it live | 02:32 |
| crashanddie | ptl: banning porn harms society? | 02:32 |
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| nox- | bot has alzheimer's? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 02:32 |
| nox- | oh dear... | 02:32 |
| nox- | :) | 02:33 |
| crashanddie | WTF | 02:33 |
| ptl | crashanddie: in an indirect way, yes, but the effects are complex and it is usually part of something greater. | 02:33 |
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| crashanddie | "Microsoft today said that it will not sell upgrades for the upcoming Office for Mac 2011, mimicking the move it made earlier this year when it ditched upgrades for the Windows Office 2010. The new suite's lowest-priced edition will also lack a dedicated e-mail client, another decision copied from Windows." | 02:34 |
| ShadowJK | They could do it like with windows itself, make upgrade more expensive ;p | 02:35 |
| crashanddie | anyway, I'm out. Later | 02:36 |
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| technomike | Phone fully restored, its just downloading and restoring all my apps from the repos | 02:42 |
| technomike | brilliant | 02:43 |
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| technomike | The built in backup app is epic :D | 02:43 |
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| cehteh | rsync is epic | 02:45 |
| SpeedEvil | Finally - getting to starting to do more on packagetesting, and editing hardware pages to make them better, and I find that I've got to start underpinning/shoring bits of my house, as fucking rats have dug a massive hole under one corner. | 02:45 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 02:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | ~nuke mysql | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | <target not found, maybe job been done?> | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: rats! | 02:48 |
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| technomike | Sorry to the developer, and I will post a bugzilla report, or contact him, but screw BackupMenu for bricking my phone. | 02:50 |
| technomike | I made backup images of rootfs and opt with it, then tried to restore them using the same app, and it bricked. | 02:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 02:51 |
| nox- | :( | 02:52 |
| crashanddie | technomike: which repo? | 02:52 |
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| technomike | To be fair, I am pretty sure its the Extras-Devel so its pretty acceptable. I took the responsibility and chance when I downloaded it from there I suppose. | 02:53 |
| crashanddie | not suppose, you're not even allowed to complain | 02:54 |
| technomike | Exactly | 02:54 |
| technomike | So its fair enough | 02:54 |
| technomike | :) | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | anyway, off to bed | 02:54 |
| crashanddie | ttfn | 02:54 |
| technomike | nn :) | 02:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | umm... Why has my vkbd gone blue | 03:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm. 'dorian' - new ebook reader with kinetic goodness. | 03:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though no volume button scroll | 03:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~status | 03:16 |
| infobot | Since Tue Aug 3 00:01:18 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 15m 14s this session, and currently reference 117189 factoids. I'm using about 16096 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 38.6/2.01 child 0.02/0.03 | 03:16 |
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| nox- | was the bug with ~more ? | 03:17 |
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| b-man_ | ~coin | 03:17 |
| infobot | somebody said coin was flipped... heads or tails? | 03:17 |
| b-man_ | ~heads | 03:17 |
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| nox- | ~listvalues maemo | 03:18 |
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| infobot | Factoid search of 'maemo' by value (20 of 91): bluetooth-profiles ;; boot-messages ;; capture-root ;; categories ;; closed ;; dneary ;; extras ;; extras-uploading ;; flash-partitioning ;; flashing ;; hostmode ;; jebbadbus ;; maemo ;; maemo-brand ;; maemo-dev ;; maemo-logs ;; maemo-packaging ;; maemo-sdk ;; mer ;; mwkn. | 03:18 |
| nox- | ~more | 03:18 |
| infobot | from memory, more is Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final. | 03:18 |
| b-man_ | ~lart nox- | 03:18 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: dorian looks interesting | 03:18 |
| * infobot keeps mailing nox- free America Online CDs until he drowns | 03:18 | |
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| nox- | haha other bots use more to list the next `page' of a factiod etc | 03:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Can anyone look up logs for earlier today, and see what pastebin I pasted on the topic of the FM receiver? | 03:20 |
| nox- | and more username is then the next page from what another user asked | 03:20 |
| nox- | (and i just thought _that_ kind of more triggered the bug) | 03:20 |
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| technomike | But now I have learnt that the built in backup tool is all I need! Its really cool how it restores the apps etc. I didn't think it did that, so thats why I thought I needed BackupMenu to make backup images, then keep them safe on my PC HDD just incase I needed in future for quick direct recovery. | 03:21 |
| DangerMaus | lol SpeedEvil | 03:21 |
| technomike | meant to send that before | 03:21 |
| technomike | SpeedEvil - http://pastebin.com/QzkZ7tEg | 03:22 |
| nox- | not the normal one for my own factoid (which doesnt work with this bot as i now know) | 03:22 |
| SpeedEvil | thanks | 03:22 |
| nox- | oh /dev/radio0 is the transmitter not the receiver? | 03:23 |
| nox- | whats the receiver then? | 03:23 |
| technomike | I wonder why the reciever was not on the features anyway as default | 03:23 |
| technomike | Since the N900 has FM Recieving capability | 03:24 |
| nox- | yes | 03:24 |
| nox- | i think its part of the bt chip? | 03:24 |
| technomike | Yeah | 03:24 |
| nox- | but i didnt know it was another device then... | 03:24 |
| technomike | oh :o | 03:25 |
| technomike | Same here | 03:25 |
| technomike | until seeing the pastebin | 03:25 |
| technomike | wait thats for the transmitter | 03:26 |
| nox- | yeah | 03:26 |
| technomike | My mistake | 03:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: The bug isn't reproducible | 03:43 |
| nox- | ah | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | something odd with the factoid db | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | (ms) | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka MySQL I guess | 03:43 |
| nox- | whats this bot's equivalent of other's `more'? | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | none known | 03:44 |
| nox- | .oO(windows was never made to be a server...) | 03:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | db(ms) | 03:44 |
| nox- | oh mysql not mssql | 03:44 |
| nox- | well pgsql > mysql too :) | 03:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway we've seen that lobotomy several times now | 03:46 |
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| nox- | switch to another bot? :) | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | I like the factoid database | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S | 03:46 |
| nox- | cant it be exported/imported? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-03 01:30:24] <DocScrutinizer> nox-: there's no complete dump of factoid db available, allegedly for privacy reasons | 03:47 |
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| nox- | yeah ok by whoever runs the bot | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I asked TimRiker about it | 03:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tim does | 03:47 |
| nox- | ok | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm not exactly sure about the nature of his concerns, but he said "maybe eventually, after I cleaned it up" | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | OWTTE | 03:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and then there's: | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 03:50 |
| infobot | I'm on 106 channels: #debian/894, #maemo/479, #meego/376, #kde/318, #gsoc/221, #asterisk/221, #wowuidev/164, #wowace/158, #openmoko/147, #htc-linux/145, #oe/142, #wowhead/129, #webos-internals/117, #sc2mapster/111, #openmoko-cdevel/95, #utah/63, #bzflag/57, #curseforge/56, #wowwiki/50, #asterisk-dev/48, #edev/47, #slug/47, #tomcat/46, #uclibc/43, #gllug/37, #elinux/36, #uphpu/32, #utos/31, #norganna/31, #/27, #asterisk-bugs/26, #brlcad/25, #storm/24, ... | 03:50 |
| infobot | i've cached 4919 users, 3538 unique users, distributed over 106 channels. | 03:50 |
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| ie | is there an upcoming meego nokia tablet similar to n900 to be released soon? this year | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | which occasionally comes in handy | 03:50 |
| nox- | wow | 03:50 |
| ie | or its just gossips | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen mickeyl | 03:51 |
| infobot | mickeyl is currently on #webos-internals #htc-linux #oe #openmoko #openezx #openmoko-cdevel, last said: 'hmm, ok, when my dream frustration is lower, then i'll try again'. | 03:51 |
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| ie | I wonder if nokia announced anything about a new meego tablet | 03:52 |
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| lpotter | check the nokia conversations blog | 04:04 |
| ptl | it's more of a monologue than conversations, actually | 04:04 |
| ptl | everybody knows Nokia listens to nobody. | 04:04 |
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| ie | so hate that their two new phones N8 and C6 are symbian according to nokia.com specification | 04:09 |
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| lpotter | ptl: and you 'know' this how? | 04:11 |
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| ptl | by trying to contact Nokia multiple times about the problems in my N900, about updates and such, by reading thousands of testimonials in talk.maemo.org, by reading all nokia press releases concerning the N900...??? | 04:12 |
| ptl | come on. Don't be bling. | 04:12 |
| ptl | *blind | 04:12 |
| lpotter | that doesnt mean people in Nokia doesnt listen | 04:14 |
| lpotter | nokia isnt just one big blob. | 04:14 |
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| ptl | What about 'they listen, but don't respond or do not care' | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | listen to *what* | 04:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tbh for 99.9% of rant and noise out there I'd not even know of any possible answer | 04:22 |
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| nox- | btw is there a simple command for (re)connect to wifi? | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | t.m.o "overclocking-the-n900?" thread: ~5000 posts | 04:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | re or connect? | 04:24 |
| nox- | both | 04:24 |
| nox- | sometimes the connection drops | 04:25 |
| nox- | or the ap was off | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | mine does that on a 5min schedule | 04:25 |
| nox- | yeah if i want it quicker | 04:25 |
| nox- | :) | 04:25 |
| asj | it should know the AP is off within seconds | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | open connections, tap on the one you want to be used | 04:26 |
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| nox- | connections hmm | 04:26 |
| TermanaN900 | morning | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | moaning | 04:26 |
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| TermanaN900 | I think my life went to an all time low last night | 04:27 |
| nox- | moin TermanaN900 | 04:27 |
| TermanaN900 | I had a dream about #maemo AND bash.org | 04:27 |
| nox- | eh | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yayayay | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dreaming about t.m.o would be worse | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | a whole lan party on vista posting usual posts to t.m.o - ugh | 04:30 |
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| nox- | hm i really only seem to have a connections entry in settings not in the main menu... | 04:34 |
| TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, very lucky it wasnt tmo - I have a fear of troll faces! :P | 04:34 |
| nox- | is this maybe different with german locale? | 04:35 |
| TermanaN900 | nox-, on the n900? | 04:37 |
| nox- | yeah | 04:38 |
| TermanaN900 | nox-, main menu as in where all app icons etc. are? | 04:38 |
| nox- | yeah | 04:38 |
| TermanaN900 | i dont have a connections item there either | 04:38 |
| nox- | ah so where is it? | 04:38 |
| TermanaN900 | nox-, i can get to it from settings or by pressing the notification area | 04:39 |
| TermanaN900 | err... maybe not the notification area thats just to connect i think | 04:40 |
| nox- | well the one from settings only seems to connect when something like the browser is already running | 04:40 |
| nox- | but sometimes i want wifi to just use it from the shell... | 04:40 |
| TermanaN900 | nox-, you can connect to a chosen network by pressing the notification area and then press internet connection | 04:41 |
| TermanaN900 | list of available connections will come up | 04:42 |
| nox- | wheres that, bottom? top? neither seems to pop such a menu up for me | 04:43 |
| nox- | ooh found it | 04:45 |
| nox- | thx :) | 04:45 |
| TermanaN900 | no problem ;P | 04:45 |
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| TermanaN900 | gah. does anyone else experience the n900 3G data connection dropping off for no reason (in full 3G signal)? | 04:54 |
| luke-jr | I do | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | especially when I drive out of range | 04:55 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 04:55 |
| asj | TermanaN900: pretty normal here if I use Optus and on a voip call, doesn't happen with another carrier | 04:55 |
| TermanaN900 | asj, heh i've got a dodo 3G internet sim in. Besides dodos bad track record, their 3G runs on Optus' network | 04:57 |
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| TermanaN900 | But i just put it in my pocket, connected to data and on IRC (here :P), pull it out a few seconds later and the connection has gone dead | 04:58 |
| luke-jr | anyone know how to get ofono working? | 04:58 |
| TermanaN900 | luke-jr, in maemo? install it and then /etc/init.d/ofono start | 04:59 |
| luke-jr | TermanaN900: Maemo-free | 05:01 |
| luke-jr | don't need oFono in Maemo | 05:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Wow - fcamera is awesome. | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I just took a couple of pics in the garden at 4:40AM. | 06:59 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just getting light, and the pics are - while not great - somewhat OK. | 07:00 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: wheren't you just complaining last week it sucked? | 07:00 |
| SpeedEvil | no. I have not installed fcamera. | 07:00 |
| SpeedEvil | And I have never said the camera sucks. | 07:00 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: ok, mn :) | 07:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I've said repeatedly that the 5MP resolution isn't real. | 07:01 |
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| asj | ok, not the important question, why were you taking pics at 4:40am in your garden? | 07:01 |
| SpeedEvil | It's like me claiming my penis is 21" long. Which is true, but only if I use inches that overlap. | 07:01 |
| asj | O | 07:02 |
| asj | I'm not going anywhere near that one | 07:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | I was testing fcameras low light performance of course. | 07:03 |
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| ohwhyme | umm how do i view the pictures of fcamera? | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | how do you view the pictures of normal camera? :/ | 07:12 |
| ohwhyme | thought it had its own viewer | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | you slide up from the viewfinder | 07:13 |
| SpeedEvil | and then left-right | 07:13 |
| ohwhyme | ah ok thanks :) | 07:14 |
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| ryoohki | any progress towards creating a good app store for maemo? | 07:19 |
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| luke-jr | ryoohki: why would anyone bother? Maemo is dead | 07:26 |
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| rafaelbrandao | so here's the thing, I've got a compiled c program that is making my n810 crashes after a few seconds of its execution (4 seconds in average). here says "32wd_to" on /proc/bootreason | 07:36 |
| rafaelbrandao | what bothers me is it is crashing *after* execution. it is on usb host mode and using a fingerprint reader | 07:39 |
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| josephnexus | i'm wondering how I can clear the recently played playlist... any ideas? | 07:42 |
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| frals | wth like 3rd or 4th empty bug report i get against fmms :| | 08:39 |
| frals | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11052 | 08:40 |
| povbot | Bug 11052: neznam | 08:40 |
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| ppman_n810 | k, so my n810 has internet via ad-hoc wireless, and a usb networking connection to my pc | 09:21 |
| ppman_n810 | I set ip_forward to 1 | 09:21 |
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| ppman_n810 | and afaik, all the routing tables are correct. | 09:22 |
| ppman_n810 | can't ping internet from pc for some reason | 09:22 |
| ppman_n810 | ideas? | 09:23 |
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| mece | quiet here today. | 10:11 |
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| slackmagic | very quiet | 10:11 |
| rmrfchik | BOOM | 10:11 |
| mece | :) | 10:11 |
| lcuk | its quiet but i have an identd storm! | 10:11 |
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| RST38h | you are probably a clone | 10:12 |
| RST38h | not a real person | 10:12 |
| * MohammadAG51 slaps mece around with a large frals | 10:12 | |
| * mece lols | 10:12 | |
| RST38h | once they identify you as a clone, they will most likely send a team to exterminate you | 10:12 |
| lcuk | RST38h, likely | 10:12 |
| mece | why? do they not like clones? | 10:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | mece, no, they mistake clones for clowns, and they hate those | 10:13 |
| mece | MohammadAG51, yeah, they hate clowns and juggalos | 10:13 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:14 |
| mece | Jaffa, mornin | 10:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning Jaffa | 10:14 |
| jacekowski | morning | 10:14 |
| lcuk | \o jaffa | 10:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning jacekowski | 10:14 |
| rmrfchik | moin moin | 10:15 |
| jacekowski | i have whole pack of jaffa cakes | 10:15 |
| mece | jacekowski, gimme! | 10:15 |
| jacekowski | /dcc send mece jaffa_cake | 10:15 |
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| mece | mmm.. battery coffeed | 10:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | echo | 10:18 |
| lcuk | ++coffee | 10:19 |
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| mece | lcuk, what identd storm? | 10:34 |
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| lcuk | mece, about 40 identds in last hour, up from 0 normally | 10:35 |
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| crashanddie | greentings, civilians | 10:50 |
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| Arkenoi | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=773681&postcount=17 <- there is a hack for 10.1 already? | 11:18 |
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| frals | it fakes the version string Arkenoi, its not a 'real' 10.1 | 11:22 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Can someone remeber the name of the program that allowed to change physichal keyboards language/layout from status menu? | 11:23 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I'm talking about N900. | 11:24 |
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| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, ping? | 11:41 |
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| crashanddie | pong | 11:41 |
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| mece | I'm thinking about creating a game for N900 based on a simpleish boardgame.. | 11:57 |
| lcuk | +10000 | 11:57 |
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| mece | anyway, it's a simple hex based fantasy strategy | 11:58 |
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| mece | actually it's this game: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/4279/flux I found it in a box of crap from my mother in law :D Immediately thought "N900!" | 12:03 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: here's a small game that you could make using liqbase | 12:05 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: say there are 10 little balls bouncing around the screen, when you tap the screen, an explosion happens at that spot (only one explosion allowed) | 12:05 |
| mece | :D | 12:06 |
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| mece | why the frak don't we have gnome do for N900? | 12:06 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: everytime a small ball hits the explosion (explosion is shown by the ball growing in size, and remains big for a couple of seconds), it turns into an explosion itself -- the goal is to make the biggest chain reaction possible, with a minimum score to go up to the next level | 12:06 |
| jacekowski | gnome is too bug and slow | 12:06 |
| mece | jacekowski: well, an similar program, but not bug and slow then. | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | big* | 12:07 |
| jacekowski | well, we have hildon | 12:07 |
| mece | I actually just want to "ctrl-space, f, enter" to launch firefox | 12:07 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, yeah seen similar, thats certainly feasible to play with | 12:08 |
| Weiss | mece: port this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/corridor/ (if it hasn't been done..) | 12:08 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: bonus points if you can get the dots to bounce from one n900 to the other, including the chain reaction :P | 12:08 |
| Weiss | a particularly evil game | 12:08 |
| mece | Weiss: sdl. looks like a straight compile | 12:09 |
| mece | hold on., | 12:09 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, ;) | 12:11 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | <D-Iivil_Work> Can someone remeber the name of the program that allowed to change physichal keyboards language/layout from status menu? | 12:20 |
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| mece | Weiss, ok, it works. I'll adjust the ui to fit the screen. Full screen segfaults though. Shouldn't be a problem. | 12:30 |
| mece | only x86 sdk yet though. | 12:30 |
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| mece | D-Iivil_Work: there's a "Keyboard Layout Status Icon" | 12:33 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, hmm.. thanks. Just wondering why I can't find it with faster application manager :P | 12:34 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | mece, but will find it with apt-cache search. So thanks! | 12:34 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, aaa, that's not what I was looking for. That just displays the language, but allows not to change it. | 12:36 |
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| mece | daaaaamn! I can't get this runaway process killed!! | 12:40 |
| mece | halp! | 12:40 |
| mece | -9 does nothing! | 12:40 |
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| mirf | reboot? | 12:40 |
| mirf | ;) | 12:40 |
| mece | it's in the sdk... oh well.. | 12:41 |
| jacekowski | kill qemu | 12:41 |
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| mece | gaaaah!!! | 12:44 |
| mece | how can this be so difficult!! | 12:44 |
| mece | how do I kill the whole sdk? | 12:44 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, pull out the plug from wall socket? | 12:46 |
| D-Iivil_Work | :P | 12:46 |
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| mece | aah... from outside the scratchbox *bonk self* | 12:46 |
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| mece | Weiss: ok, done. Should I email you the binary? | 13:01 |
| mece | it's a two player game though, so you have to give the phone to eachother and such... Not exactly comfy, but works if you're stuck on an airplane :) | 13:02 |
| mece | or whatnot | 13:02 |
| Weiss | mece: wow, that was quick :) | 13:03 |
| mece | :) | 13:03 |
| Weiss | wasn't expecting you to do it just like that :) | 13:03 |
| Weiss | but the binary would be cool.. | 13:03 |
| Weiss | I'll /notice you my address | 13:04 |
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| lcuk | mece, extras-devel :P | 13:05 |
| crashanddie_ | sar3th, you do realise nobody gives a flying toss about your status? | 13:06 |
| lcuk | obviously you do crashanddie_, no1 else bothers about name changes and something like that is normal :P | 13:06 |
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| mece | oops | 13:10 |
| mece | ok | 13:10 |
| mece | here it is: http://hedwerks.net/stuff/corridor.tar.gz | 13:10 |
| mece | lcuk, don't feel like packaging it. | 13:10 |
| mece | untar that thing somewhere and run directly. | 13:10 |
| mece | not in MyDocs | 13:10 |
| mece | ~/ works | 13:10 |
| mece | tar -xzvf corridor.tar.gz | 13:10 |
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| mece | cd corridor1.1.3 | 13:11 |
| mece | ./corridor | 13:11 |
| mece | :) | 13:11 |
| * mece likes simple sdl stuff | 13:11 | |
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| mece | oops | 13:18 |
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| mece | soo. What the hell should I do about wesnoth? | 13:19 |
| lcuk | whats wrong with it? | 13:21 |
| mece | well, it segfaults if built by autobuilder | 13:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk, actually, it's just that freenode is already very noisy due to the incessant join/parts, so not having people changing their nickname for no reason other than their feeling of self-importance wouldn't hurt. | 13:23 |
| mece | works perfectly if built by my scratchbox | 13:23 |
| crashanddie_ | mece: strace it, or get the core dump | 13:23 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, chances are it was from some other channel needs - not a big concern | 13:23 |
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| mece | crashanddie_: I don't know how to do it though... | 13:24 |
| mece | crashanddie_: well I guess the core dump I can do. | 13:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk, http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html | 13:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | mece, in a terminal, just strace ./app | 13:25 |
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| mece | crashanddie_: ok.. will do. | 13:26 |
| crashanddie_ | mece it'll display the OS calls made, and then figure out where it dies | 13:26 |
| mece | this thing has been REALLY bugging me. It's time to get that thing to extras. | 13:26 |
| mece | because the game is good and works very well. | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | or gdb | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | but strace is great too | 13:27 |
| mece | apparently I have neither | 13:27 |
| mece | apt-get helped. | 13:27 |
| mece | omg that's a lot of stuff | 13:28 |
| crashanddie_ | the day mece discovered that CPUs run at multiple gigs for a reason. | 13:29 |
| mece | wait how do I pipe strace output | 13:30 |
| mece | crashanddie_: hehee | 13:30 |
| mece | ok got it. | 13:31 |
| mece | now who want's to look at thiss mess? | 13:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: suppress join/quit | 13:31 |
| crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, done | 13:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mece: pastebin | 13:33 |
| mece | in a bit.. | 13:34 |
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| mece | the whole thing or just the end? | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and maybe `tail -n 500` | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's too large for pastebin | 13:35 |
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| mece | http://pastebin.com/XiHmyDJ8 | 13:36 |
| mece | ok that's 374 lines, but still | 13:36 |
| mece | around 310 things get interesting | 13:37 |
| psycho_oreos | is it just me or has kernel-power installation has gone tougher? When I tried to install that package through ham it gave me an error with conflicting packages such as kernel-modules-maemo and kernel-maemo. Now I'm using apt-get method and it didn't have the same set of packages that it will have to be removed for this | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | mece: it crashes after trying to open the file and failing | 13:39 |
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| mece | so it appears.. but WHY does it not have that problem when built in my sdk? | 13:40 |
| mece | a dependency issue? | 13:40 |
| mece | I mean it builds succesfully.. | 13:40 |
| mece | perhaps some version of something.. | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | mate | 13:40 |
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| crashanddie | I don't think it has to do with compilation | 13:40 |
| crashanddie | but with packaging | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | "opt/wesnoth/share/wesnoth/data/hardwired/fonts.cfg" | 13:41 |
| mece | crashanddie, yeah | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | I'm guessing that's provided by the wesnoth package? | 13:41 |
| mece | I guess. | 13:41 |
| crashanddie | or well, I'm guessing it isn't when the autobuilder takes care of it | 13:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA game coders, always a laugh. Segfaults on file nonexistent | 13:42 |
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| mece | heey... maybe it's the autooptification that messes it up | 13:42 |
| mece | aah yes that is it!" | 13:43 |
| mece | that bitch! | 13:43 |
| psycho_oreos | hmmm think I know why it was like that, it was because of mobilehotspot | 13:43 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, what? Thats a feature! It tells you when you shouldn't be playing it by segfaulting :P | 13:43 |
| mece | see, I made it install under /opt/wesnoth in the rules file, but autobuilders autooptification messes with that. | 13:43 |
| mece | I'll check if that's the case. | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: thanks for the context | 13:44 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, you were having issues? | 13:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: sure. The what-means-what table in the fine manual has a list of a segfault addresses and associated clear text error msgs. Has been done for user friendliness to not bloat executable and loading/startup time :-P | 13:50 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | How difficult would be to port this to fremantle: http://optipng.sourceforge.net/ | 13:56 |
| D-Iivil_Work | I can run it already via easy-debian, but native port would be more handfull... | 13:56 |
| jacekowski | not hard at all | 13:56 |
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| jacekowski | it's probably matter of simple apt-get source optipng | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | add your name and stuff into control file | 13:58 |
| jacekowski | and then uploading it to autobuilder | 13:58 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | jacekowski, source is available from sourceforge already. Maybe I'll try to play with it :) | 13:58 |
| jacekowski | it will be simpler if you start with debian package | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | because that way it will be almost ready to be built debian way | 13:59 |
| TomaszD | D-Iivil_Work, are you planning to convert your D-Iivil themes into one package with a settings panel like black plastic? | 13:59 |
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| mece | crashanddie, DocScrutinizer, ok that was not the problem. the segfault is due to something else.. here's the updated log,http://pastebin.com/MhrwrxL3 | 13:59 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: that one is prossibly just a compile away | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | open("/opt/wesnoth/share/wesnoth/data/hardwired/fonts.cfg", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 5 | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | seems pretty clear to me | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | mece: show the code | 14:00 |
| mece | crashanddie, what does it say? | 14:00 |
| mece | the contents of that file? | 14:00 |
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| crashanddie | no, the code that opens that file | 14:00 |
| mece | crashanddie, well yeah, it crashed when it found the file too. before it didn't find it. | 14:01 |
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| crashanddie | then you're doing something wrong after opening it | 14:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | install gdb, do a bt | 14:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | strace isn't the right tool to debug segfaults | 14:03 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, installing.. | 14:03 |
| mece | ok how does one do a bt? | 14:03 |
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| crashanddie | mece: gdb ./yourappname | 14:04 |
| crashanddie | mece: then "bt" | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtfm, sorry but that's what I have to do as well. basically start under gdb, when it segfaults, type bt | 14:04 |
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| crashanddie | or rather, bt 5 | 14:05 |
| D-Iivil_Work | TomaszD, I think I won't have energy for doing that :D | 14:05 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, will try to compile. And then another question, can autobuilder use that package after it's on the repos? I'd like to insert some image optimizing to be done during the build process. | 14:06 |
| TomaszD | D-Iivil_Work, I think it's better than having to maintain dozens of packages right? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ThoMe: what's status of japanese bands for FMRX? | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: ^^^ | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | ThoMe: sorry ETAB | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | TomaszD: (on N900 :-D ) | 14:07 |
| mece | ok, it gave a "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) | 14:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 14:08 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | TomaszD, well.. yeah. | 14:08 |
| D-Iivil_Work | TomaszD, but the existing ones can stay as they are. In the future I'll definitely use the same method with upcoming themes. | 14:08 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: ping | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ??? | 14:10 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, i woke up to a mass cluster of them this morning | 14:11 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> mece, about 40 identds in last hour, up from 0 normally | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | from? | 14:11 |
| lcuk | all over the world! it gives ips but no more info | 14:11 |
| mece | libsdl-ttf2.0-dev is a different version | 14:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 14:11 |
| mece | since it bombs when loading fonts... could that be the problem? | 14:12 |
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| mgedmin | mece, this is in scratchbox? arm or intel? | 14:13 |
| mece | mgedmin, this is in autobuilder versus scratchbox armel. sb works autobuilder segfaults. | 14:14 |
| mgedmin | yeah ... gdb is tricky on arm, afaik | 14:15 |
| mgedmin | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide#Debugging_Issues_on_ARM_Architecture | 14:15 |
| mece | my sb has libsdl-ttf2.0-dev_2.0.9-1osso0+0m5_armel and autobuilder uses libsdl-ttf2.0-dev_2.0.9-1osso0+0m5 | 14:16 |
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| mgedmin | is ltrace available for maemo? | 14:16 |
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| nadley | hi | 14:20 |
| mece | hmm well I can compare the strace output to that from the healthy build, to see what happends right att that point... | 14:21 |
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| nadley | I think I have trouble with my 3G connection. In fact when I use Autodisconnect it doesn't stay connect very long that's normal but without Autodisconnect it is the same thing my 3G connection stay connected approx 2 minutes | 14:23 |
| CasTTeLLo | hello | 14:23 |
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| CasTTeLLo | nobody here? | 14:25 |
| D-Iivil_Work | no | 14:25 |
| CasTTeLLo | hi bro | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | mece: use diff | 14:25 |
| crashanddie | mece: you could even use fluffy diff to go through the different addresses | 14:25 |
| CasTTeLLo | how to enable ssu repos? | 14:26 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, going to the bank. Later | 14:26 |
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| CasTTeLLo | how to enable ssu repos? | 14:26 |
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| mece | CasTTeLLo: they are enabled... unless you removed them | 14:28 |
| CasTTeLLo | hello | 14:28 |
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| mece | CasTTeLLo: http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU | 14:31 |
| CasTTeLLo | thanks mece | 14:32 |
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| mece | so if I put in build depends, libsdlttf2.0-dev (>= 2.0.9-1maemo2) would 2.0.9-1osso0+0m5 cover that or would it be forced to use a maemo version? (which is what I want) | 14:37 |
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| _0x47 | hi! just had an idea. could it be possible to turn of the compression of the camera application to not get jpg files, but uncompressed pictures? I feel like the distortion may come from compressing the images, which sucks imho. | 14:39 |
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| _0x47 | maybe use png instead of jpg? | 14:39 |
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| steinex | is it possible to size the status-thingie higher when tapping on the status area? there are 2 entries that are only shown on scroll which i dislike | 14:40 |
| mece | _0x47: fcam saves raw, so that should be lossless. | 14:40 |
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| _0x47 | mece: let me try that out, thanks | 14:41 |
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| mece | _0x47: fcam is pretty cool in other ways too :) | 14:41 |
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| lauri | hey guys, how can I get my package unlocked for promotion? | 14:43 |
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| mece | lauri, get 10 votes (or 3 supertester votes) and wait 10 days | 14:44 |
| mece | lauri, assuming it's in testing | 14:44 |
| lauri | its in extras-devel at the moment? | 14:44 |
| lauri | how should I proceed | 14:44 |
| mece | lauri, then open the package instance and click promote package | 14:45 |
| mece | what's the package called? | 14:45 |
| lauri | well there is no such link | 14:45 |
| mece | what is the package called? | 14:45 |
| lauri | There's two: http://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.5-polib and http://maemo.org/packages/view/transifex-mobile/ | 14:46 |
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| lauri | tx mobile depends on polib | 14:46 |
| mece | lauri, you need to click on the particular instance you want to promote first. | 14:46 |
| _0x47 | mece: too bad that it conflicts with kernel-power, which I am not willing to uninstall. i am addicted to 850Mhz. :/ | 14:46 |
| mece | lauri, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/transifex-mobile/0.3-6/ | 14:46 |
| lauri | aaa :D | 14:47 |
| mece | there should be a promote package link if you're logged in :) | 14:47 |
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| mece | _0x47: I think titan fixed that | 14:47 |
| _0x47 | i'm on extras-devel, so i guess it's not? | 14:48 |
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| mece | _0x47: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/transifex-mobile/0.3-6/ | 14:53 |
| mece | oops | 14:53 |
| mece | _0x47: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=762156&postcount=25 I mean | 14:53 |
| _0x47 | mece: you're right, my bad. I did not look well enough for new updates. installing the new kernel now. | 14:54 |
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| mece | _0x47: good luck with that :) | 14:58 |
| _0x47 | you knew something i didn't? :/ | 15:00 |
| _0x47 | mece: | 15:00 |
| mece | ok building wesnoth, I hope it fails this time..... | 15:01 |
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| _0x47 | mece: reflashing does not wipe my data, right? | 15:02 |
| _0x47 | only everything outside of MyDocs/ ? | 15:02 |
| mece | _0x47: erm.. no not the stuff from MyDocs | 15:02 |
| mece | exactly | 15:02 |
| _0x47 | good | 15:02 |
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| _0x47 | cause the latest power kernel killed my phone | 15:02 |
| _0x47 | lol | 15:02 |
| mece | there is the emmc reflash that wipes everything | 15:02 |
| mece | _0x47: lol | 15:03 |
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| _0x47 | yeah, actually i never flashed before, so this is the first time. let's see how it works | 15:03 |
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| mece | elinks 192.168.0.254 | 15:15 |
| mece | hee | 15:15 |
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| crashanddie | MeeGo, the first official 409, scammer Linux distribution! | 15:42 |
| timeless | sounds good | 15:42 |
| drizztbsd | no n900 version yet? | 15:42 |
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| mece | crashanddie, scammer? Que? | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | nha, just some guy on the meego-community mailing list asking for help for his modem | 15:43 |
| mece | eeeheh ok | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | and he keeps going on "How MeeGo would be appreciated to support these modems, very popular in their community" | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | his IP traces back to Nigeria | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | and he keeps going about "Thank you for your contribution and concern" | 15:44 |
| E0x | http://meego.com/community/blogs/margie/2010/meego-ivi-v1.0-announcement | 15:44 |
| E0x | what is ivi ? | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | He must be thinking "These whites really are fools. I used to have to try and find email addresses, now they create one address that hits 2000 people at once!" | 15:44 |
| crashanddie | E0x: 4+1? | 15:45 |
| mece | LOL | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | E0x: or probably this: http://ivi.sourceforge.net/ | 15:45 |
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| E0x | don't make sense | 15:45 |
| crashanddie | damn I need a smoke | 15:46 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: awake yet? | 15:46 |
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| _0x47 | thanks god I could only flash the kernel. :D | 15:47 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns | 15:47 | |
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| mece | ok compiling wesnoth for the 100 000 000th time... | 15:48 |
| CasTTeLLo | ... | 15:48 |
| * DocScrutinizer shoots at _0x47's wetware CPU with a 850MeV addicting ion gun | 15:49 | |
| tobis87 | Does anyone mind to port aria2c to the n900? | 15:49 |
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| drizztbsd | tobis87: just compile it? | 15:49 |
| mece | tobis87, I could do it on another machine while this one is busy | 15:50 |
| mece | hold on. | 15:50 |
| tobis87 | I could not install the sdk, because my Linux is too old. And it's amd64 | 15:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf aria2c | 15:50 |
| drizztbsd | DocScrutinizer: axel clone :) | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhum | 15:51 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: http://aria2.sourceforge.net | 15:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer comes to think he doesn't want to know | 15:51 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | BURP | 15:52 |
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| tobis87 | The website looks painfull, but aria2 is able to download in parallel | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | but... Does it BLEND?? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_managemen | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management even | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | looks like "pathological by design" | 15:54 |
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| mece | wow that mypaint video is pretty cool | 15:54 |
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| * DocScrutinizer starts to package a cisco router emu for N900 | 15:55 | |
| mece | pretty nice drawing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66RBfrBgL2E | 15:55 |
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| tobis87 | I don't know, but would it not save more power if some file is loaded faster. As it would poweroff the wifi after the file has downloaded. | 15:55 |
| mece | oops.. I downloaded every branch by mistake... | 15:56 |
| mece | sigh | 15:56 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: nice ! | 15:56 |
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| E0x | not for me , i am cisco hater but for a few friends that will nice | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | E0x: yeah, 32 FDDI ports :-P | 15:56 |
| E0x | ^_^ | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: yes, it might. | 15:57 |
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| zap | Anybody can tell me how to get rid of the "xxx.py" prefix on the titlebar of my Hildon Python application? If I call set_title("blah") it shows "xxx.py - blah" in the title bar ;( | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: for p2p sharing the protocol overhead and cpu usage will dwarf any speed improvements shortening wlan on time | 16:00 |
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| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: I don't want to use it for p2p, i use it for "Multi-connection Download" and FTP. | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, fair enough | 16:01 |
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| RST38h | zap: Set it to "^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hblah"? | 16:02 |
| RST38h | ;) | 16:02 |
| SpeedEvil | tobis87: Generally yes - doing downloads at max hardware speed will save power. | 16:02 |
| crashanddie | zap: gtk.set_application_name("blah") | 16:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | TWO more testers willing to give http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ a review? | 16:05 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: nvm. It'll promote in about a day. | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | been packagetesting lots, should get supertester status then, and it'll tip it over | 16:06 |
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| tobis87 | SpeedEvil: Yes, this is what I thought. Aria2 is the only package I'm missing. Through a compiled version from the original sourcecode of ADVENT would also be nice. | 16:07 |
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| zap | crashanddie: thank you, it worked! | 16:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seems won't fly, see TomaszD who got 207 pkgtest karma, is tagged "Tester" on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ and still... Seems supertester concept isn't implemented at all | 16:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - that's what I was told on teh testers list. | 16:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/testingsquad-list/2010-July/000095.html | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 16:14 |
| SpeedEvil | 'no time' definitions may vary | 16:15 |
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| akshey | Hi, is there an answering machine app for n900? | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm more suspicious about garage supporting the whole concept | 16:17 |
| SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware not a user friendly one. | 16:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: is there *any* supertester shining up in the voting? | 16:17 |
| akshey | SpeedEvil: Which are the ones which are not user friendly? | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/asterisk/ for example | 16:18 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if it can actually take phonecals | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly not | 16:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | I don't - think - anyones implemented something that actually works for normal phonecalls. | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I seem to remeber other projects | 16:20 |
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| akshey | SpeedEvil: ok. Thanks | 16:20 |
| haj | uhm.. guess this has been discussed a lot, but I wonder why meego uses rpm.. | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall someone doing it for SIP | 16:20 |
| SpeedEvil | haj: They got paid off in beer and hookers by redhat. | 16:20 |
| haj | because Intel supports redhat or something? | 16:20 |
| haj | SpeedEvil: silly.. :) | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | pointed somebody to recaller, who's been asking about PA interfacing to modem | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | In general. | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | These decisions are not made through deep introspection as to the best possible option. | 16:21 |
| SpeedEvil | They're the decision of whoever codes something first. | 16:22 |
| E0x | this look good : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59686 | 16:22 |
| SpeedEvil | And the people who come behind with influence not having the energy/effor to change stuff. | 16:22 |
| E0x | mobile youtube version is not bad too | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | moblin: RPM, OBS: RPM... | 16:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I couldn't care less | 16:23 |
| Termana | haj, because Moblin was really based on Fedora builds and lets face it MeeGo is basically the next version of Moblin | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh the RPM tools seem less obfuscated to me than the deb tools | 16:23 |
| Termana | only this time Nokia is involved | 16:24 |
| haj | Termana: I guess it's not something most people can't survive.. :) | 16:25 |
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| kerio | FUCKING RPM | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares? | 16:26 |
| kerio | DPKG FTFW | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | tgz!!! | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | fools! | 16:26 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i won't if someone makes apt4rpm work | 16:26 |
| E0x | ports FTW | 16:26 |
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| haj | actually I can't really remember when I last had a problem with RPM... I just remember tons and tons of problems with dependencies in the older redhat's.. and problems upgrading the dists.. not sure it will be a problem on a handheld device... | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | alias yum apt-get | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 16:27 |
| tobis87 | mece: Yes, this would be nice if you could compile it for me. You might want to disable "Firefox3/Chromium cookie support" since it's not used and it has libsqlite3-dev dependency | 16:27 |
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| E0x | in fedora a least in my netbook installing app was soooo slow | 16:27 |
| E0x | i mean the install moment , not the download | 16:28 |
| Termana | Personally I think we should go back to tarball source building /sarcasim | 16:28 |
| E0x | not sure if was because the ssd disk or something | 16:28 |
| E0x | but was slooooooow | 16:28 |
| E0x | fedora 13 | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG!!! it takes 120s instead of 100 to *install* an app | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | not to state HAM is particularly fast anyway | 16:29 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, what? | 16:29 |
| nas_ | fedora rocks ;) | 16:29 |
| * nas_ = fedora user :p | 16:29 | |
| E0x | HAM is very slow too | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: nothing, just bored | 16:29 |
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| kerio | nas_ = old redhat butthurt user | 16:30 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, well, I could jab your ear off about the Rays' rookie starter that played last night. | 16:30 |
| crashanddie | yeah, not that bored anyway | 16:31 |
| crashanddie | oh look, a rock | 16:31 |
| nas_ | aahahahahahah | 16:31 |
| nas_ | indeed .. I was using redhat 10 years ago ;) | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, correction: alias apt-get=yum; alias apt-cache=yum; alias dpkg=yum | 16:33 |
| E0x | heh | 16:33 |
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| GAN900 | crashanddie, we got some Novaflex lense adaptors for the GH1 | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: did you try the steadicam? | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | For a bunch of old Nikkor, Pentax and Chinese lenses my friend has got. | 16:34 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: I didn't get the 5d nor steadicam :( | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | Yeah, steadicam works great | 16:34 |
| GAN900 | 300mm mirror lens is fun | 16:35 |
| GAN900 | The bokeh will disconnect you from reality. | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you moved to Hollywood? | 16:36 |
| mortini | 300mm, in general, is kind a fun. having a depth of field of a few inches at ~10' | 16:36 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900: the bokeh on mirror lenses hurts my eyes | 16:36 |
| GAN900 | mord, assuming you have the aperture, yes. | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | Fixed at f/5.6 | 16:37 |
| crashanddie | but no aperture control is balls | 16:37 |
| GAN900 | Well, it was $20 | 16:38 |
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| crashanddie | plus the chromatic aberation and distortion is really weird | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: you should borrow my 200mm L f/2 lens | 16:40 |
| crashanddie | now there's a lens :D | 16:41 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah | 16:42 |
| GAN900 | I wish I had cash to toss around for shit like that. :P | 16:42 |
| zeltak | hya nayone using "screen/byobu" on the n900? | 16:42 |
| zeltak | oh and mutt? | 16:43 |
| SwedeMike | 50mm 1.2 is kind of annoying, if you focus on the nose of someone at 1.2 then their ears are out of focus. | 16:43 |
| * GAN900 is likely opting for a 27" Apple LCD instead. | 16:43 | |
| GAN900 | SwedeMike, that's the point. | 16:43 |
| GAN900 | Most 1.2s are lots sharper around 2 anyway. | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | topic? zeltak! | 16:43 |
| SwedeMike | yeah, but then I could just buy a 1.8 instead, apart frmo the build quality of course | 16:44 |
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| zeltak | DocScrutinizer: what did i do wrong :) i looked at the mameo wiki/manpages before but i get unavilable message when i apt-get screen | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: *you* did nothing wrong :-) | 16:45 |
| zeltak | ah ok :) | 16:45 |
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| alterego | I've got screen on the N900, I think it's in the extras-tools repository. | 16:47 |
| GAN900 | SwedeMike, and get worse glass, a crappy 5-blade aperture and cheap build. | 16:48 |
| GAN900 | SwedeMike, so clearly the 1.2 isn't suited for you. ;) | 16:48 |
| zeltak | thx alterego ill look into that | 16:49 |
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| zeltak | anyone using mutt btw? | 16:49 |
| SwedeMike | GAN900: nope, the 1.4 is probably a good compromise. | 16:50 |
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| crashanddie | SwedeMike: no, the f/1.8 canon 50mm is shit | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | SwedeMike: it only get really sharp at around f/2.8 | 16:51 |
| SwedeMike | crashanddie: well, it's cheap :P | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | or f/3.2 | 16:52 |
| SwedeMike | I paid 80EUR for it. | 16:52 |
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| crashanddie | well, it's the most basic lens they make | 16:52 |
| SwedeMike | yes. | 16:52 |
| SwedeMike | but when I was forking out all the money for my 15-85 IS and 7D that just happened to get bought at the same time :P | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | it has shitty definition, AF is shit, BQ is shit, no sharpness at all, light leakage, it's worse that the chinese crap you get off ebay | 16:53 |
| alterego | It really isn't my week with computers. | 16:53 |
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| alterego | I spill water on my laptop, so I have to take that apart to dry it but I had to buy a new keyboard. And last night the hard drive in my workstation died. | 16:54 |
| alterego | The drive isn't even a year old :/ | 16:54 |
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| nid0 | mirroring is your friend | 16:54 |
| alterego | I've not lost any data. | 16:54 |
| alterego | I just have two machines that are kind of out of commision. | 16:54 |
| alterego | I've got my desktop working by installing ubuntu on an external hard drive. Which is actually working pretty well .. | 16:55 |
| nid0 | got the advance rma going for a replacement drive? :p | 16:55 |
| * DocScrutinizer is fetching the USB drive to finally do a disk image | 16:56 | |
| alterego | Heh | 16:56 |
| alterego | I'm just wating for #3 | 16:56 |
| alterego | These things usually come in 3s ... | 16:57 |
| nid0 | dead external drive coming up in 10.. | 16:57 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:57 |
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| alterego | The external drive is quite old actually :) | 16:57 |
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| lauri | hey guys, I need your thumbs up for this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python2.5-polib/0.5.1-3/ | 17:06 |
| lauri | it's a Python library for manipulating Gettext translation catalogs (*.po files) | 17:06 |
| lauri | I just packaged the original file for Maemo | 17:06 |
| X-Fade | lauri: Doesn't need to be in user. | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | lauri: Just depend on it in your app. | 17:07 |
| X-Fade | lauri: This should not be a user installable app. | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | And dependencies get automatically promoted. | 17:08 |
| lauri | alrighty, just change the category field and thats it? | 17:08 |
| X-Fade | yep | 17:08 |
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| lauri | X-Fade: so what should I put there? | 17:10 |
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| X-Fade | lauri: python? :) | 17:11 |
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| lauri | yeah Ubuntu has the same for the same package | 17:12 |
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| CasTTeLLo | k | 17:14 |
| lauri | but py2deb doesnt like it | 17:14 |
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| lopz | hi :) | 17:15 |
| alterego | Anyone hooked up scratchbox to Nokia Qt SDK? | 17:17 |
| E0x | i can't pythoning one it | 17:18 |
| E0x | so | 17:18 |
| frals | alterego: if you do manage to sort it out, please let me know :D | 17:19 |
| alterego | frals: sure, I'm gonna work on it this afternoon :) | 17:19 |
| alterego | I don't think it'll be that hard. | 17:19 |
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| lauri | Here goes the final package that needs promotion: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/transifex-mobile/0.3-7/ | 17:47 |
| lauri | Blogpost about Transifex-mobile http://v6sa.wordpress.com/2010/08/03/transifex-mobile-release-candidate/ | 17:48 |
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| lauri | everyone: I need your thumbs up for final GSoC evaluation ;) | 17:48 |
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| slonopotamus | lauri: i failed to understand what's its purpose :/ | 17:50 |
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| lauri | slonopotamus: Did you check the project description at http://wiki.maemo.org/GSoC_2010/Projects/transifex-mobile | 17:52 |
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| slonopotamus | "Trransifex client application for Maemo which caches strings locally and submits them whenever possible." ... still no clue | 17:54 |
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| jacekowski | wow, somebody made a comment on my website | 17:54 |
| jacekowski | and he had iq higher than monkey | 17:55 |
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| mgedmin | I think Transifex is something to do with sofware translations ... | 17:55 |
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| mgedmin | maybe "An application to translate software that integrates with a Transifex server and supports working offline"? | 17:56 |
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| lauri | slonopotamus: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=transifex | 17:57 |
| lauri | :D | 17:57 |
| _0x47 | is anyone running the latest kernel-power fine? | 17:57 |
| _0x47 | from extras-devel | 17:57 |
| slonopotamus | _0x47: "latest"? | 17:57 |
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| slonopotamus | _0x47: 2.6.28.10power37 here | 17:58 |
| _0x47 | i think i'm talking about 38 | 17:58 |
| _0x47 | it seems to be broken to me | 17:58 |
| _0x47 | had to reflash the kernel | 17:58 |
| _0x47 | brb | 17:59 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if that's the power kernel that's broken, or maybe the SoC starting to act up due to OC :-P | 18:01 | |
| slonopotamus | ... | 18:01 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: stop the FUD :P | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's NO fud | 18:01 |
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| slonopotamus | better fix miniusb port :) | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh?? | 18:02 |
| jacekowski | can i get @Maemo/troll/jacekowski cloak? | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:02 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: they continue to fall of (see yesterday's planet maemo) | 18:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: amazing. Seems it's been off before I got my both devices... No mini USB on any of the N900 | 18:03 |
| Termana | lol | 18:03 |
| slonopotamus | s/mini/micro/ details... | 18:03 |
| jacekowski | i think mine doesn't have miniusb as well | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | darn | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | mine does! | 18:04 |
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| crashanddie | it grew about 3 weeks ago | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhn | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | after it was naughty with MohammadAG51's n900 | 18:04 |
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| slonopotamus | jacekowski: how's charging thingie? | 18:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer yawns while staring on that progress report of backup tool claiming it got md5sumed 0.5 of the 30GB to backup. Hopes it will finish before drive to backup dies from infirmity | 18:07 | |
| jacekowski | i've got thing almost done but with ugly hacks so i can test it on my phone | 18:08 |
| jacekowski | without flashing kernel | 18:08 |
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| jacekowski | i have to finish it off at some point | 18:08 |
| jacekowski | but i spend to much time on IRC | 18:08 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: published somewhere? | 18:08 |
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| jacekowski | no | 18:10 |
| jacekowski | i'm not going to publish code i'm not happy with | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | wise | 18:11 |
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| jacekowski | i just don't want shit code be published somewhere with my name on it | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I gather by charging thingie we are referring to the bq24150 kernel driver to access this chip via sane sysnodes? | 18:20 |
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| slonopotamus | or smth known as "jrbme" | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, jrbme is beyond that driver though | 18:21 |
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| slonopotamus | well, currently jrbme is just an empty garage project :) | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | jrbme just replaces bme - bme is a userland process, and so will be jrbme | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: well, from your pov that's correct | 18:22 |
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| crashanddie | god, tmo really is just a big pile of steaming shit | 18:25 |
| timeless | you're discovering this *now*? | 18:25 |
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| slonopotamus | :D | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's been lots of promises from Nokia to help with specs, or even NDA and looking into the code of bme to write down a decent requirements spec on our own, as it seems Nokia has difficulties doing even such little as publishing req-spec. Alas nothing of that ever happened | 18:25 |
| _0x47 | DocScrutinizer: if it was the OC that made my device not boot, how do you explain it booting with the default kernel? | 18:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (jrbme that is) | 18:26 |
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| jacekowski | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43395&page=5 | 18:26 |
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| slonopotamus | crashanddie: irc is a better place :) | 18:26 |
| _0x47 | slonopotamus: care trying out the maemo38 version? but backup you device before. | 18:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer shoots at _0x47's wetware CPU with a 850MeV addicting ion gun, again | 18:27 | |
| slonopotamus | _0x47: not in nearest 2 hours | 18:28 |
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| frals | woho, fmms finally made it to maemo.org frontpage \o/ | 18:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | about time | 18:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~tell _0x47 about omap-oc | 18:32 |
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| _0x47 | No chance, DocScrutinizer, the mighty CPU of mine absorbs the ion storm with it's stunning stable 850Mhz. Did you brick your device from OCing? | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell _0x47 about overclocking | 18:32 |
| crashanddie | any good shows/movies I could watch? | 18:32 |
| MohammadAG | Inception? | 18:32 |
| frals | inception was pretty good | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | well, I can't go to the movies in France | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | and I don't really fancy watching a good movie as a screener | 18:33 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, pourquoi? | 18:33 |
| E0x | deeper , deeper , deeper ! | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: because they're in French, or not yet here? | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~stab MohammadAG | 18:33 |
| * infobot runs at MohammadAG with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. | 18:33 | |
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| crashanddie | Dubbed in French 13:50 16:20 19:00 21:30 | 18:33 |
| crashanddie | Dubbed in French 13:50 16:00 16:40 18:45 19:20 21:20 22:10 | 18:33 |
| _0x47 | DocScrutinizer: What is omap-oc? I found the kernel-power quite useful, as it let's me OC dynamically. | 18:34 |
| crashanddie | Original Language: Not shown | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc | 18:34 |
| infobot | i heard omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 18:34 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, dubbed? that's kinda lame | 18:34 |
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| timeless | i was in strasburg and saw a subtitled American movie :) | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: every movie is like that | 18:35 |
| timeless | it was nearly 2 years ago now | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | Movies here are subtitled | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: the closest theatre that'll show films in English is roughly 150km from here. | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | no one dubs shit | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, road trips ftw | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | but it's a shitty experience, small theatre, dark, sticky, shows porns during the night | 18:35 |
| MohammadAG | wtf | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | well "shit" doesn't need any dub, the word is international | 18:35 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: gtfo | 18:36 |
| * lcuk watched entire Taxi series of french films with only subtitles - kinda strange but cool film | 18:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: what did you expect - in FRANCE?! They even MUST play >50% french songs in radio | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | well yeah, I know that | 18:37 |
| SpeedEvil | And 50% of all food you eat must be frogs legs. | 18:37 |
| crashanddie | I'm just saying: not something too recent, won't be able to watch it | 18:37 |
| alterego | So, rather than a maemo VM, I've instead created a Maemo ubuntu 10.04 based USB boot disk, with the Nokia Qt SDK and the scratchbox Maemo SDK installed :) | 18:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, heh, seen those movies too | 18:37 |
| alterego | Though the drive should work in a VM aswell | 18:38 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, you're being on topic when off topic is the new on topic | 18:38 |
| crashanddie | any other recommendations? | 18:38 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, capiche? | 18:38 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 18:39 |
| lcuk | alterego, what does that give? | 18:39 |
| _0x47 | eh wtf is wrong with taht infobot | 18:39 |
| lcuk | do you boot into it | 18:39 |
| _0x47 | lol | 18:39 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, how big is it? | 18:39 |
| _0x47 | g2g | 18:39 |
| lcuk | or do you use that in a vm | 18:39 |
| _0x47 | cu | 18:39 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: either | 18:39 |
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| slonopotamus | okay | 18:39 |
| lcuk | cos that sounds cool | 18:39 |
| * lcuk did not get on with vmware on windows though | 18:40 | |
| MohammadAG | I did it once, but the mount points backfired on a different PC | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | should've used UUIDs | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | wooohooo, 0.88GB of 30 | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | free? | 18:40 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: I'll let you know when it's finished installing ;) | 18:40 |
| MohammadAG | heh, kk | 18:40 |
| alterego | lcuk: quicker than VM | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd definitely not run this backup tool once a day | 18:41 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: don't eat cucumbers. everyone who ate cucumbers is either dead or will be soon. they're heck lot more dangerous than running cpus at higher freqs. | 18:41 |
| alterego | Proper native environment | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you could dd it and sell it for $0 | 18:41 |
| alterego | Easier to share projects and data between machines. | 18:41 |
| lcuk | no, he could buy bulk usb sticks and sell those preloaded :P | 18:41 |
| lbt | Jaffa: ping... | 18:41 |
| alterego | And it's more portable. | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: OC is not dangerous, it just wears out your CPU | 18:41 |
| MohammadAG | lies, a nearby penguin could explode | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, maybe | 18:42 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: all states except turned off wear out cpu | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | slonopotamus, don't twist facts :) | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not if you apply any reasonable threshold | 18:42 |
| slonopotamus | well, actually stuff degrades even when turned off | 18:42 |
| MohammadAG | it's like saying smoking is k since you'll die anyways | 18:43 |
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| slonopotamus | MohammadAG: exactly, yep. it's irrelevant whether you smoke or not if you die by being hit by a car | 18:43 |
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| slonopotamus | and phones usually die by falling. | 18:43 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hits slonopotamus with a 30T lorry | 18:44 | |
| * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer | 18:44 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh, that's been 'by' not 'with' - sorry | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well so maybe you die from being hit by DocScrutinizer51 with a car | 18:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | hitten? | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | my pidgin getting worse every day | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | need visit taipei to refresh | 18:48 |
| SWFu64 | What's the equiv to nano on maemo? | 18:49 |
| luke-jr | nano | 18:49 |
| jacekowski | SWFu64: nano | 18:49 |
| SWFu64 | lol | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | mcedit :-P | 18:49 |
| E0x | vi | 18:49 |
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| SWFu64 | Thought, so can't find the package though?! | 18:49 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: PSI FTW | 18:49 |
| alterego | SWFu64 I swear that's one of my old passwords :D | 18:49 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: btw overclocking. i observe longer battery life with 125/850mhz setup | 18:50 |
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| SWFu64 | Which repo is it in? | 18:50 |
| kerio | actually, cpus wear out even when turned off | 18:50 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: you forgot to add ", and shorter cpu life" | 18:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer waiting for luke-jr saying "pidgin? tonal FTW!" | 18:51 | |
| jacekowski | but i'm thinking about OC myself | 18:51 |
| jacekowski | i mean, i don't need phone to last 2 years | 18:51 |
| E0x | anybody at the n900 owners comunity evern research that time life limit ? | 18:51 |
| E0x | i wonder what will happen | 18:51 |
| E0x | just stop of working ? | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | jacekowski: my n900 doesn't have cpu life indicator, sadly. | 18:51 |
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| MohammadAG | slonopotamus, 125MHz decreases battery life | 18:51 |
| vdv | hi all | 18:51 |
| jacekowski | but having it little bit faster would be nice | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and 125MHz is *instable* | 18:51 |
| kerio | ideal ftw :D | 18:51 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | otherwise, well... you know, Nokia could've made it go down to 125 | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: fair enough | 18:52 |
| slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: for me, 2 weeks of uptime doesn't count as unstable | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | well | 18:52 |
| kerio | unstable doesn't necessarily mean kernel panic | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | agreeing with overclockers is a lost cause | 18:52 |
| MohammadAG | enough warnings were already given out | 18:53 |
| slonopotamus | with vanilla settings i don't get more than 1 day of uptime, run out of battery before get home | 18:53 |
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| kerio | overclocking is stupid | 18:53 |
| MohammadAG | indeed | 18:53 |
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| MohammadAG | want a 1GHz device? sell the N900 | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: then you seriously fucked up the default. So probably changing to power kernel just fixes some of that fuckup | 18:54 |
| slonopotamus | ... | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | want a 1.7GHz device? buy a laptop | 18:54 |
| pexi | they should bring out two battery model so you don't have to shutdown while changing backup batteries :) | 18:54 |
| kerio | MohammadAG: that's too much | 18:54 |
| kerio | what if i want just 1ghz? | 18:54 |
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| kerio | pexi: dongle it | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | buy a desire or something | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | or buy a beagleboard xM | 18:54 |
| alterego | What if I want 601Mhz? | 18:54 |
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| pexi | kerio, yep | 18:55 |
| kerio | no, i mean | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, can't be properly divided afaik | 18:55 |
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| alterego | Damn | 18:55 |
| E0x | 602 | 18:55 |
| alterego | What about 800Mhz? | 18:55 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer enginereed a dongle that allows battery hotswap | 18:55 |
| MohammadAG | same | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: then you're out of luck. No valid divide factor for clock speed | 18:55 |
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| alterego | Oh wait, I've got a PIII 800Mhz | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | tis a shame P3 != ARM :P | 18:56 |
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| alterego | Oh, we're talking about ARM ... | 18:57 |
| trbs | I always did wonder why Nokia didn't put a Z-80 in the N900.... | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | I wanted a cell processor @ 3.2GHz on the N900 | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, can be overclocked safely to ~x2.5 or even x3 | 18:58 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: i always wanted phone with water cooling | 18:58 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: I worry about even the CPU life of 600 MHz | 18:58 |
| trbs | you can remember all those instructions... try that with your Cortex A8 | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I remember running my Z-80A 4MHz @ 12MHz | 18:58 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, drop it down the toilet | 18:59 |
| trbs | and a eZ80 can run up to 50Mhz... that's like 12+ times faster then your normal Z-80... take that overclockers! | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:59 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: thing is that data published by TI is the worst case scenario data | 19:00 |
| alterego | jacekowski: would it be water resistant? | 19:00 |
| alterego | Ciuldf I go swimming with this phone and use it asw an underwater camera? | 19:00 |
| jacekowski | anyways | 19:00 |
| jacekowski | i'm going home | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (worst case) not exactly, it's statistical data | 19:00 |
| MohammadAG | "Screw you guys, I'm going home" | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: like "99.9% of 3530 will survivie 100.000h @ 500MHz, 5000h @ 600MHz, 500h @800MHz..." | 19:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the statistics this is based on are known as bathtub curve | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and you bet TI did mass tests with 500 chips@750, 500 @800, 500 @850, and so on, and checked how long it takes until some certain percentage of them failed | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so they get the data to inetrpolate/extrapolate the curves for both 99.9% of living chips as well as a figure like 100.000h @ <foo>MHz which obviously is a generic value and not based on real tests | 19:07 |
| lcuk | something I always wonder when I read things like that, how does this testing get done (seriously) do companies sit on the product for [&TIME] until they know the longevity | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | "ok, we have had this batch in testing for 5 years, lets release" | 19:08 |
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| * lcuk is curious | 19:09 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above, they have testfields where 500 or 1000 chips are in simple testcircuits running a carefully designed burn in program, and when a LED starts lighting then the chip failed on some instruction in that test | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | they do that on extreme conditions (like overclocking :-D ) and from long years of statistics they know when it takes 1000h @ nominal clock x 1.2 to burn out, then @ nominal the living time for same chip is x factor xxx | 19:11 |
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| E0x | lcuk: they do usage that is equal to N amount of time | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | they add some promille for errors in their really good statistical material, and that's how they spec and sell and guarantee the chips then | 19:13 |
| lcuk | sure, thanks and i should have looked up before typing that | 19:14 |
| trbs | I know (for other products then cpu's/chips) that you can have a demo of a basically finished product and then have the retail product 6months or more later... where in these 6months this is where they have to do retail, distribution, packaging and a hole lot more... but also still be doing stress tests and burn in tests before the factory starts pushing out the product with the final specs.. | 19:14 |
| lcuk | oh, i understand that from software side | 19:15 |
| lcuk | i was just curious about hw | 19:15 |
| trbs | (in my case it is about hardware :) just not computer hardware :) | 19:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | trbs: exactly | 19:16 |
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| trbs | anyways i'll be heading home, bbl :) | 19:16 |
| trbs | have fun | 19:16 |
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| SWFu64 | How can I create an app shortcut which will execute a shell command? e.g. ettercap -G | 19:17 |
| lcuk | SWFu64, there is an exceution widget i believe | 19:17 |
| lcuk | and beecon does it too afaik | 19:18 |
| lcuk | those are simplest methods | 19:18 |
| * alterego wonders when the Harmatten SDK will arrive. | 19:18 | |
| SWFu64 | Just the kind of answer I was hoping for | 19:18 |
| SWFu64 | Thanks | 19:18 |
| alterego | We had the M5 SDK ages before the device .. | 19:18 |
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| * lcuk giggles | 19:18 | |
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| SWFu64 | Hmm, The Bumblebee Conservation Trust, haha | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | SWFu64: queenBeeCon, or desktop commandline execution widget | 19:19 |
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| SWFu64 | Thank | 19:19 |
| SWFu64 | s | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yw | 19:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego: methinks harmattan RIP | 19:20 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: that's extremelyt unlikely :P | 19:21 |
| timeless | hey | 19:21 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: nah, they put too much money on it already | 19:22 |
| kerio | they'll put meego's UX over it | 19:22 |
| kerio | and they'll call it a day | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | they re-dedicated it to meego | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | harmattan edition | 19:22 |
| timeless | anyone ever had their n900's presence claim to be online for GTalk and SIP w/o any network? | 19:22 |
| E0x | what ? | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Not for SIP, no gtalk here | 19:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hey, at least it won't be rpm-based | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: why not? | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe that's exactly what they're doing this very moment: port harmattan over to RPM | 19:23 |
| timeless | which they is this? | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | and meego | 19:24 |
| timeless | harmattan's core arch froze ages ago | 19:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: Nokia unknown behind the walls | 19:24 |
| timeless | as did the requirements for it | 19:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: so is there any official word we'll see a maemo harmattan any time? | 19:25 |
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| timeless | there is no official word about anything | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 19:25 |
| timeless | and certainly never from me | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 19:25 |
| luke-jr | timeless: why not just leak everything you know to DocScrutinizer? | 19:26 |
| timeless | but, harmattan needs to ship before 2018 | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, I see XD | 19:26 |
| timeless | well, maybe 2019 or 2020 aat thelatest | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess that's also in the feature freeze? ;-P | 19:26 |
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| timeless | i tend to find out about those when i ask for features | 19:27 |
| timeless | i haven't had the energy to do that for harmattan | 19:27 |
| timeless | so i couldn't say | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless: but maybe you got a raw figure about how many of your colleagues are working on harmatten ATM? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/ten/tan | 19:29 |
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| timeless | almost all of them? :) | 19:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer curses having closed the browser window with that link without creating a bookmark | 19:30 | |
| timeless | we aren't supposed to give out numbers | 19:30 |
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| luke-jr | not even the price you paid for lunch? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wasn't hoping for absolute numbers | 19:30 |
| timeless | i don't hold numbers that well | 19:31 |
| timeless | but i think i was just billed 19.90 for dinner | 19:31 |
| timeless | but that's two meals, one's a preorder | 19:31 |
| timeless | lunch for the table was around 45iirc | 19:32 |
| timeless | but we chose to split it | 19:32 |
| * timeless could havw just eaten it | 19:32 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | a statement like "on our weekly harmattan meeting the room/channel/whatever is pretty (comprehensive|crowded|sparsely filled|empty) wouldn't be any numbers | 19:33 |
| timeless | ... i'm in a sports bar | 19:33 |
| E0x | lunch time , bbl | 19:33 |
| timeless | a girl in the next booth started moaning as if... | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well there's quite some sorts of sport | 19:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | timeless: or maybe there's been no more harmattan meeting for the last 4 mnths or so? | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | prolly there never was any :-D | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevertheless you get the picture | 19:35 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders about >><timeless> almost all of them? :)<< being sarcastic or a nice clue | 19:37 | |
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| timeless | my colleagues is limited to browser team | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | not bad | 19:38 |
| timeless | generally most people will work on the primary project | 19:39 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: Can you say anything about the weekly browser team orgies? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then probably browser doesn't care much about underlying OS | 19:39 |
| timeless | a couple might do maint or future research | 19:39 |
| timeless | doc: it tends to curse it regularly | 19:39 |
| timeless | but otherwise, if you ignore wanting to have "any other underlying os", the browser tries hard not to care :) | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's how much I thought, yeah | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, n the end who cares if it's RPM or debs, if it's called maemo harmattan, or meego harmattan edition, or simply meego 1.0 | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I for one got other things to worry about | 19:42 |
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| toggles_w | like what? Electromigration? | 19:44 |
| kerio | ooooh, burn | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck electromig. It's not happening on *my* devices | 19:45 |
| kerio | well, cpu wear | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or at least in such small amounts and during such small durations so I'm not worried about N900 still working in 5 years - and I hope to still use it in 5 years | 19:46 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 19:46 |
| toggles_w | I have a feeling mine wont see meego 1.0 | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | meego 1.0 is long past | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | we're on road to 1.1 atm | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is timelined for what? November? | 19:47 |
| frals | october isnt it? | 19:47 |
| toggles_w | lol, well a phone with meego on it ;-) | 19:47 |
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| frals | or am i remembering wrong again... *scratches head* | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe october | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | asking Stskeeps | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | october, yeah | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 19:48 |
| timeless | toggles: in a sales package? | 19:48 |
| toggles_w | yeah.. | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | so jrbme should finally come to pace | 19:49 |
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| timeless | i think you can put meego on an n900 today ;b | 19:49 |
| toggles_w | and make a call? | 19:49 |
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| toggles_w | i like the n900 ui too much to use meego as is | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: you sorted out that bme segfaults on meego yet? | 19:49 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: surprisingly enough i don't deal with the internal blobs, but i think we did | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mhm, but a blob remains a blob | 19:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I could care mor about meego if it wasn't for the generally hostile athmosphere I feel there, but bme on meego - that gives me nightmares | 19:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: http://www.asharperfocus.us/THE_BLOB-4.jpg | 19:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm yummy, lolly with background | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: if you mean #meego-arm i'd say cautious instead of hostile, but sure | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | rest of the place, well, that gets interesting | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | #meego-arm is relatively nice place | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | compared to web presence and #meego at large | 19:54 |
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| SWFu64 | Is it possible to lauch a website with the default browser from the command line? | 19:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yeah, 0.99 of 30GB - damn my PC HDD will fall to dust before that friggin backup is finished | 19:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SWFu64: dbus | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/dbus | 19:58 |
| SWFu64 | I can't just give the browser an agruement? | 19:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-google | 19:59 |
| SWFu64 | Cheers | 20:00 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | red pill mode dead for HAM-pr1.2 ? | 20:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (I know the fancy easter egg enabling mode was dead since 1.1, but there's still been 'echo "redpill-mode 1" >>~user/.osso/hildon-application-manager' | 20:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems nonfunct for 1.2 HAM) | 20:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/easter egg enabling/matrix/ | 20:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | red-pill-mode for those actually pondering to try | 20:08 |
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| SWFu64 | Correct that I can use string:"" or string:'' ? | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err, not sure, but probably | 20:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | if that's 2 single ticks | 20:17 |
| SWFu64 | Yeah | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know _somewhere_ it makes a diff, but maybe that's been SQL | 20:18 |
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| Mece_ | yo. | 20:57 |
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| jef91 | I just reflashed my n900 with a copy of pr 1.2 and now it cannot connect to my home wifi | 21:01 |
| jef91 | 3g still works though - any suggestions? | 21:01 |
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| E0x | jef91: but can the n900 see your wireless network ? | 21:04 |
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| technomike | i flashed mine yesterday. no probs here. working better and faster actually | 21:05 |
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| RST38h | moo lardman, how is life? | 21:20 |
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| lardman | RST38h: not bad, just got back from 3 weeks in the US & Canada | 21:21 |
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| lardman | and just sent my wife's car to the garage to try to get her cambelt fixed... | 21:22 |
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| lardman | so good and bad I guess ;) | 21:22 |
| lardman | and you? | 21:22 |
| * lardman browses for example python dbus code to test his mBarcode plugin | 21:23 | |
| RST38h | lardman: really shitty weather for the last two months, 30-38oC | 21:23 |
| lardman | ow | 21:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: ironically, just sent my wife's car for repairs yesterday :) | 21:24 |
| frals | lardman: what are you after in terms of dbus code? fmms has plenty of it in python ;) | 21:24 |
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| lardman | frals: I just need to register a handler for a message that my mBarcode plugin will send | 21:24 |
| RST38h | lardman: add to that general lack of air conditioning here, burning peat bogs, and the dust, and you get the picture | 21:25 |
| lardman | RST38h: that is quite warm - was a bit hotter in Las Vegas, but very dry so not too unbearable | 21:25 |
| lardman | and not too many peat bogs that I saw :) | 21:25 |
| frals | lardman: daemon style: http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/fmmsd.py | 21:25 |
| RST38h | lardman: Vegas is actually ok as long as you do not stay in the sun for long | 21:25 |
| SWFu64 | I've created a shell script to flip my n900 in to forward mode but I get this error when running it: : nonexistent directory1: cannot create /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 21:26 |
| lardman | frals: thanks, looking now | 21:26 |
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| SWFu64 | Why would that be, it obviously does | 21:26 |
| lardman | RST38h: exactly - those water spraying fans are a God-send :) | 21:26 |
| RST38h | lardman: I have suicidally decided to walk (!) from Hilton to the university campus, and it has been somewhat heroic | 21:26 |
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| SWFu64 | Just running echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward on the command line works fine also | 21:27 |
| RST38h | lardman: <never again> | 21:27 |
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| ultrasparc-viii | hi all | 21:32 |
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| lardman | RST38h: :) | 21:34 |
| E0x | http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3945 | 21:37 |
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| derf | lardman: How is the mbarcode stuff coming along these days? | 21:39 |
| derf | I haven't actually looked at it in ages. | 21:39 |
| lardman | hey derf | 21:39 |
| lardman | well the backend is the same as ever, so 1D could do with some tweaking | 21:39 |
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| lardman | but the frontend looks nicer and we have a plugin system (for C++) and I'm just testing a plugin which can link external apps to a button in mBarcode via DBus | 21:40 |
| lardman | as not all apps really work as plugins (e.g. map app to handle geo://) | 21:40 |
| RST38h | http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/icharge.html | 21:41 |
| lardman | also mBarcode broadcasts a "decoded" message to any running and listening apps | 21:41 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically: apparently, even *charging* an Apple product has to be licensed | 21:41 | |
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| SWFu64 | Why won't a shell script let me cd / ? | 21:44 |
| lardman | derf: more barcode types (coloured ones..., stacked 1D which zbar partially supports, etc,) would be cool | 21:44 |
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| lardman | also need to work on some JSON plugins to extract nicely formatted data about EAN codes | 21:45 |
| lardman | bbiab, supper time | 21:45 |
| * lcuk slides a pint along the extremely long bar towards lardman | 21:45 | |
| lardman | thanks lcuk, vino on the go atm though ;) | 21:45 |
| lcuk | that works too | 21:45 |
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| derf | I think spadix said he was working on native DataMatrix support. | 21:45 |
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| lcuk | cya later | 21:45 |
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| derf | But I'm not sure if any other formats are planned. | 21:46 |
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| lardman|eating | derf: that would be interesting, I've also spoken to the libdmtx author who acknowledges the slowness of the current code and is re-writing | 21:46 |
| derf | What's the problem with colored ones? | 21:46 |
| lardman|eating | no decoders | 21:46 |
| lardman|eating | for the coloured ones where the colour adds information | 21:46 |
| lcuk | dnt you just decode each plane individually as greyscale? | 21:46 |
| lardman|eating | but that might just be a M$ invention with no specs | 21:47 |
| derf | Oh, you mean different formats. | 21:47 |
| lardman|eating | yep | 21:47 |
| derf | Yeah, I've seen that. | 21:47 |
| derf | I'm not sure that's actually used anywhere yet. | 21:47 |
| lardman|eating | anyway, bbiab, will check the log | 21:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now that's pretty bad - texrat broke his 2nd microUSB | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, if not even Nokia can afford to hire experienced and savvy EE, who then does? | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | thruhole - 1100% ACK | 21:57 |
| E0x | apple | 21:57 |
| E0x | :P | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMT receptacles... Duh what a nerd invented that sort of shit? | 21:57 |
| lynxis | hi | 21:59 |
| frals | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/08/03/1743240/Hardware-Hackers-Reveal-Apples-Charger-Secrets | 21:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd say Nokia urgently needs to review their droptest specs. If droptests were specified with adapters attached, kbd slide open, etc then this crappy USB never made it even to PV | 22:00 |
| Kaadlajk | i broke one n900 when i dropped it while charging :-( | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | hell, as well they could have done the droptests while N900 boxed | 22:01 |
| Kaadlajk | well actually only the microUSB broke | 22:01 |
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| E0x | oh cool from windows xp ping/ssh/whatever Nokia-N900.local work | 22:04 |
| RST38h | frals: See my previous message ;) | 22:05 |
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| RST38h | frals: about that Apple crap | 22:05 |
| frals | yea ^^ | 22:05 |
| RST38h | It is amazing how far up the collective userbase ass they have got their plunger | 22:06 |
| E0x | i let my n900 3 time by now | 22:06 |
| E0x | not damage so far | 22:06 |
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| lynxis | Kaadlajk, what is your next step, did you find out where we can buy microusb slots. i have here a broken too | 22:08 |
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| Kaadlajk | lynxis: fortunately the microusb still worked if you bent the connector right way | 22:08 |
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| Kaadlajk | also it wasnt my phone it was one of those "not for sale" phones that press got | 22:09 |
| lynxis | yes, that is one of them too ... | 22:09 |
| Khertan | Hi all ! | 22:09 |
| Kaadlajk | had it for 6months then 1 week before i had to return it i dropped it ;-0 | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kaadlajk: this simply shouldn't happen | 22:11 |
| Khertan | On the move to made a pyqt home desktop screen i finally revert back to made a simple python script to use with desktop command widget :) | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kaadlajk: there's better ways to build such things | 22:11 |
| Khertan | funny as every thing can just be simple commands : | 22:11 |
| Khertan | :) | 22:11 |
| lynxis | DocScrutinizer, i read you article about hot-swapbattery change & the bme. You aren't also a dsme guru ? | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kaadlajk: there's those spring contact type receptacles used for headset connector and also for N810 2mm barrel power jack | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | lynxis: not really | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | just know dsme once was published source, and roughly how it's used on maemo | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lynxis: what's the issue? | 22:14 |
| lynxis | k. havent searched for that. dmse is actually my next problem @meego. it gets all the cputime | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | at MEEEGO | 22:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 22:14 |
| lynxis | that was a really big stone on my way to meego | 22:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry no idea what's meego's plan for dsme | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably they'd want to make their processes so stable they do not need a restarter daemon like dsme | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 22:16 |
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| Kaadlajk | DocScrutinizer: yeah atleast with the 2mm power jack the male plug breaks before the phone :) | 22:17 |
| lynxis | but it seems to be, that i'm not the only one who gots problem with dmse. | 22:17 |
| lynxis | meego takes hours to create a openssh-key because it need some cputime. | 22:17 |
| Jaffa | lbt: pong | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | and, as that's exactly the type of system architecture that's done in a pub by 3 people on meego, and then you have to live with it, I'm largely uninterested in the whole matter | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | comments/critics solicited, please send to /dev/null | 22:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and 3 cheers on meego "you can send patches later" policy | 22:20 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer: launchd? | 22:24 |
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| kerio | it works fine on the iphone | 22:25 |
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| tobis87 | mece: Did you had time to compile aria2? | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | is openssh keygen blocked on cpu, or does it need entropy? | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | it does need entropy | 22:26 |
| jacekowski | loads of it | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding all this I really wonder why so many users are concerned about developers possibly moving to meego and leave maemo behind. I fI were a developer I'd rather ignore meego and happily develop for maemo - until *maybe* one happy day there *might* be a device that runs with meego only _and_ meets my preferences (which seems is unlikely to come anytime soon), and yet then you'd think it should be much easier to develop on maemo and then | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | port to meego rather than other way round | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | yeah | 22:27 |
| mgedmin | I suppose there are two kinds of developers: those who want to sell stuff and earn $$$, and those who want to use their own apps | 22:27 |
| mgedmin | the first kind might run away to meego (but more likely will run away to android/iOS) | 22:27 |
| kerio | i trust the latter more | 22:29 |
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| kerio | the former is not on maemo anyway | 22:30 |
| jacekowski | mgedmin: well, run to obj-c or java? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | If I were MrMeEgo I'd be concerned about how to attract any developers at all for such a hostile "take it or leave it" environment and architecture | 22:30 |
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| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: Maemo is far from perfect, but it is based on Deb and Gtk. Everything else is a step back for me. Rpm dependency hell and the latest KDE4 even needs java dependencies to get build. | 22:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | KDE4 :-x | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | just F....! | 22:31 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: but it has a cute interface! that must account for something, right? | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | other than that RPM is my smallest pain | 22:32 |
| kerio | qt! | 22:32 |
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| kerio | (tbf i always preferred gtk to qt) | 22:32 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: Nokia and Intel are going to regret the MeeGo move | 22:32 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie: out of morbid curiousity, why? | 22:33 |
| ShadowJK | I come home and my N810 is dead and battv 3.01.. | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeeew | 22:33 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: because as DocScrutinizer said, they will have 0 inovative input from the community | 22:33 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: they might get it to viable commercial point, but I doubt a lot of tink tanks will play with it | 22:33 |
| ShadowJK | I think deb and rpm both have dependency hell :) | 22:33 |
| Khertan | http://khertan.net/articles/conboy_note_to_text | 22:34 |
| Khertan | :) | 22:34 |
| Khertan | ShadowJK, setup.py will win ! | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: mmkay | 22:34 |
| ShadowJK | Certainly the people downloading random .debs and trying to install them run into it :) | 22:34 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: Auke has been extremely rude, insulting and condescending towards the OS people who were just hoping to help. Everyone has been told "fuck off, nothing to see". There is absolutely no involvement from the community in any area, and now that the blogs have stopped talking about it, the mailing lists are dead | 22:35 |
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| ShadowJK | oh wow, charging screen eventually appeared | 22:35 |
| tobis87 | ShadowJK: Pacman would also be nice | 22:35 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: just search the mailing lists with "unsubscribe" | 22:35 |
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| * ShadowJK is impressed, but for mostly the wrong reasons | 22:35 | |
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| GAN900 | I'm so tired of having to reboot to make this stupid thing stop sucking. | 22:35 |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, N900? Try that "optimize" script, it does roughly the same thing but perhaps faster than reboot | 22:36 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, about developpers ... you can also target maemo ... and make it running on Meego ... | 22:36 |
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| lardman | re | 22:37 |
| * ShadowJK uses his own script to swapoff,swapon after swap breaks down into random writes (which is uberslow) | 22:37 | |
| DocScrutinizer | Khertan: err, isn't that what I said? | 22:37 |
| lardman | derf: re coloured M$ barcodes, I was talking to someone who said M$ employees have them on their business cards ;) | 22:37 |
| Khertan | ShadowJK, i got strange behavior with the optimize scripts ... like device not charging while being connected during the night | 22:37 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, ah sorry i didn't understand very well so :) | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yet then you'd think it should be much easier to develop on maemo and then [2010-08-03 21:26:44] <DocScrutinizer> port to meego rather than other way round | 22:38 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer, personnaly i developp directly on my n900 :) | 22:39 |
| lcuk | lardman, RGB or CMY? | 22:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see, we've arranged with maemo, and we even got a got way towards making it really open. So why should we suffer all the same pain of somebody forcing down our throat their idea about how a good OS should look - granted this time with the option "we give you all the source, and you even *may* (are allowed to) send patches, but only after meego 1.7 please" | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | lardman: yeah, I wrote an app to generate (and add) a colour barcode (and 3d barcode) from username/employee ID for a couple of banks and telcos in the UK. | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | lardman: sorry, "and add those to the print layout of the smart card" | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/a got/a good | 22:42 |
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| GNU\caust1c | is there a way to disable the vibration when the alarm goes off? | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | disable vibra in profiles setting | 22:45 |
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| ShadowJK | Doesn't actually do anything? | 22:46 |
| GNU\caust1c | i want to keep it for the telephone ringing, only disabled for the alarm | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, which scenario exactly now? | 22:46 |
| lardman | crashanddie: but noone can decode them! :) | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, alarm as in ... alarm | 22:47 |
| GNU\caust1c | the alarm clock | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | mompl | 22:47 |
| ShadowJK | If the vibrate didn't work with alarm when vibrate is off in profile, I'd never make it to work.. | 22:47 |
| lcuk | lardman, i gave half a thought to making a sierpinski barcode | 22:47 |
| crashanddie | lardman: well, it depends what you want to do with them. This was just for shits and giggles more than anything (and also because it allowed to keep the company's logo in the barcode), but the 3d barcode had real information which could easily be read. | 22:48 |
| crashanddie | lardman: re microsoft: are you talking about HCCB? | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | PatternIncomingCall=1;3;0;0;30;970;0;1000;180 PatternIncomingMessage=3;3;2;2;30;470;0;500;154 PatternPowerKeyPress=5;5;1;1;0;16;0;16;128 PatternTouchscreen=10;3;0;1;23;0;15;50;255 PatternChatAndEmail=4;3;1;1;30;360;0;100;154 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | blarrrgh | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no patternAlarm | 22:49 |
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| lardman | crashanddie: yeah, sounds about right | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | ps: the color barcode was just a regular 1d barcode, but each bar had a different colour. 46 different colours within the company's logo palette was used to code the username/userid | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems somebody mamaged to mess it up, like usual | 22:50 |
| lardman | ah, so the colour didn't matter then? | 22:51 |
| GNU\caust1c | :) | 22:51 |
| lardman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Capacity_Color_Barcode was what I was talking about, as you said | 22:51 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: not from a barcode reader perspective | 22:51 |
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| crashanddie | lardman: the idea: http://www.barcode-generator.biz/web-images/200911/qk-barcode-generator-colour.jpg | 22:52 |
| lardman | ok, so it just looks pretty rather than encoding info, that will work fine with mBarcode atm then | 22:52 |
| crashanddie | yup | 22:52 |
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| crashanddie | the 3d barcode (or is it 2d? I forget, the square ones) did contain accurate info, but wasn't colour coded because the readers weren't good enough | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | crashanddie, lardman those barcodes remind me of subway cheese \@/ | 22:53 |
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| lardman | 3D = 2D + colour | 22:53 |
| derf | Hmm, this is starting to get dense enough to start embedding short audio clips in the barcode. | 22:53 |
| crashanddie | derf: midi maybe | 22:53 |
| lardman | sounds interesting | 22:54 |
| crashanddie | derf: not AAC just yet :D | 22:54 |
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| derf | 1" barcode could do 0.875s at 32 kbps. | 22:54 |
| derf | Which rate is plenty good enough for transparent speech. | 22:55 |
| lardman | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6570871.stm is a use for the 3D barcodes | 22:56 |
| lcuk | can we generate qr codes on device yet? | 22:56 |
| lcuk | derf - flipbooks | 22:56 |
| derf | lcuk: Sure you can. | 22:56 |
| derf | Use a web browser. | 22:56 |
| lcuk | for animated barcode goodness | 22:56 |
| lcuk | derf, i mean in mbarcode with a text entry area | 22:56 |
| lcuk | to play with 2 n900s ;) | 22:56 |
| crashanddie | lardman: this is just going to confuse so many people | 22:57 |
| lardman | crashanddie: coloured barcodes? | 22:57 |
| lardman | no-one needs to know, they should just work | 22:58 |
| crashanddie | lardman: tech support: "Did you allow the computer to read the DVD?" customer: "well, yes, but it said I had to allow it to read the tag first" tech support: "OK, take the disc out, then present it to the webcam, so it can read it" customer: "You mean the computer can read the disc without having it in the tray?" | 22:58 |
| lardman | ah I see | 22:58 |
| lardman | yes indeed :) | 22:58 |
| crashanddie | I mean, I remember having to write "left click", "right click", and "space" on my mum's keyboard | 22:59 |
| crashanddie | (well, left click and right click on her mouse) | 22:59 |
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| lardman | sounds like it's only for those in the know to access online info | 23:00 |
| crashanddie | every cable had 3 tags, one big one "Printer", "Modem", "Scanner", all that, and then each end had the direction "computer" or "printer" | 23:00 |
| lardman | though why we need a new format I don't know | 23:00 |
| mortini | crashanddie: my right or your right? | 23:00 |
| crashanddie | mortini: either, we'll end up in the same direction if we both turn. | 23:00 |
| crashanddie | mortini: go to your window, and in about 10 seconds, look west | 23:00 |
| lardman | derf: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/hccb/about.aspx single page of a novel in first image | 23:01 |
| crashanddie | \o/ WE'RE FACING EACH OTHER!!! | 23:01 |
| * lardman heads to watch CSI | 23:01 | |
| Corsac | no you're not | 23:01 |
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| crashanddie | lardman|afk: well, as much as I love the tech, it's just not practical | 23:02 |
| mortini | jej | 23:02 |
| mortini | heh, rather. | 23:02 |
| crashanddie | lardman|afk: you can't manually decode it (or not very quickly), and print is going out of fashion, fast. | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | lardman|afk: basically, you have print telling people "Here, go online" | 23:03 |
| crashanddie | which is a completely ludicrous thing. The people who bother to buy print these days probably don't want to be sent online. | 23:03 |
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| crashanddie | As an inter-communication device, it's pretty lame too. There are busstops around the world that are bluetooth enabled, and which allow you to freely download a song, or a clip. Embed the ad in there, win | 23:04 |
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| crashanddie | Heck, I'm even to setup a company that will sell dummy hotstops, whose only aim will be to serve ads to HTTP clients who connect | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | (tempted to setup) | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | hotspots... damn, those pills really make my typing go down the drain | 23:06 |
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| crashanddie | GAN900 & GeneralAntilles: on which account are you? | 23:15 |
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| nox- | moin | 23:19 |
| kerio | crashanddie: you're evil then :< | 23:22 |
| crashanddie | am I? | 23:23 |
| kerio | fake hotspots to serve ads... | 23:24 |
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| lcuk | get one old nokia with bluetooth, connect somehow to power supply in busstop, enable bluetooth with provocative name, win | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | heh I am sure I am not the only one who gets family tech calls whenever a new mobile needs buying! | 23:36 |
| E0x | true | 23:40 |
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| lcuk | E0x, whats worse is finding out a model of phone is coming out i hadn't heard of :P | 23:41 |
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| evilbulgarian | hi, what is the closest thing to google maps on maemo for n900? mappero? | 23:41 |
| lcuk | the closest thing to google maps on n900 is google maps | 23:42 |
| kerio | lcuk: OMG | 23:42 |
| kerio | really? | 23:42 |
| lcuk | just open your browser | 23:42 |
| lcuk | perhaps the question needs refining a little ;) | 23:42 |
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| lcuk | evilbulgarian, what are your mapping needs | 23:43 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, hey | 23:43 |
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| crashanddie | ZogG: yeah? | 23:43 |
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| evilbulgarian | well i was looking for more of an replacement for ovimaps | 23:43 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, are you still op on gentoo chan? | 23:44 |
| alterego | Anyone know what the replacement option for '-kb' (disable keyboard extension) is in the newer Xephyr on ubuntu 10.04? | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: haven't been for 7 years or something | 23:44 |
| ZogG | =( | 23:44 |
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| ZogG | some idiot child banned me | 23:44 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: who? | 23:45 |
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| ZogG | i don't remember the name | 23:45 |
| ZogG | wait | 23:45 |
| crashanddie | a3li banned you | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (BT for busstops) darn, can't find that link anymore. Was years ago they got those 5*3.5m posters here, witch an IrDA device built in that made your Mobile send a SMS to a special number, once you followed the instructions to "enable IR and point phone >here<" | 23:46 |
| crashanddie | #gentoo: ban *!*zoggrules@* [by a3li!~alex@gentoo/developer/a3li, 2699107 secs ago] | 23:47 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, nice | 23:47 |
| ZogG | crashanddie yeap | 23:47 |
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| GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, account? | 23:48 |
| ZogG | crashanddie reread log, i was not the most polite - but he pissed me off =) | 23:48 |
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| lardman|afk | crashanddie: well entire timetable in one barcode seems pretty cool (re busstops) | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Quelle-Werbeplakate-mit-Infrarot-Schnittstelle-156800.html | 23:48 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, assumed i used autoaway msg and jumped on me on chan when i used it while i was in army and turned off when came back really tierd | 23:48 |
| lardman|afk | anyway, am off to bed, jet lag is attacking | 23:49 |
| lardman|afk | cu chaps tomorrow | 23:49 |
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| crashanddie | ZogG: did you plead your case in #gentoo-ops? | 23:50 |
| ZogG | crashanddie meh, nvm , just was wondering if there is something new about 2.6.35 kernel bug | 23:50 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie, nope, nvm | 23:51 |
| crashanddie | ZogG: they're a bunch of dicks, really | 23:51 |
| ZogG | yeah | 23:52 |
| ZogG | i agree i was not that polite - but i was right =) | 23:52 |
| crashanddie | doesn't really matter, they can shove the rules in whichever way they want, so that it flows the channel in their favour | 23:52 |
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| crashanddie | most people in #gentoo are too scared to do anything, and just look at their ban list, they have what, double our users? And probably 50 times our ban list | 23:53 |
| crashanddie | scrap that, they have a 100 times our ban list | 23:54 |
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