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| jacekowski | and what's funny | 00:01 |
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| jacekowski | 60% entries in banlist here are yours crashanddie | 00:02 |
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| crashanddie | so? | 00:03 |
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| crashanddie | ENTERANICK is a guy who joins in here to look for DCC porn | 00:04 |
| crashanddie | Alcohol is a troll, and ljsdofuynsdfufuh is too long a nick. | 00:04 |
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| crashanddie | oh wow, 3 bans of the 5 are mine, big deal :D | 00:05 |
| DangerMaus | lol | 00:05 |
| crashanddie | compare that to the 500+ bans in #gentoo for crying out loud | 00:05 |
| DangerMaus | yepyep | 00:05 |
| DangerMaus | i got lke a channel of 40 with 3 perminate bans they had there chances | 00:06 |
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| crashanddie | actually, 286 bans, my bad | 00:07 |
| DangerMaus | thats down | 00:07 |
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| crashanddie | still, that's a quarter of their user base banned | 00:07 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: got another point to make? | 00:08 |
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| DangerMaus | you ever have the Fn or other key not function for a bit then work again? across all apps | 00:09 |
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| ZogG | i have t-shirt "crashanddie is my favorite op on #maemo" | 00:11 |
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| cehteh | mhm .. new power kernel .. cross fingers | 00:13 |
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| cehteh | this one compatible with fcam? .. i hope so | 00:13 |
| ZogG | i'm too pussy to overclock phone | 00:13 |
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| ZogG | i didn't get about meego and harttman | 00:14 |
| cehteh | its more about other features, ext4, iptables and so on | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | /kickban * MUHAHA | 00:14 |
| DangerMaus | is there an aesy to dim the screen without going into settings > touchscreen ? or is there an app to add that to the top of the screen settings bit? | 00:14 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer yes slap me | 00:15 |
| DangerMaus | hey DocScrutinizer | 00:15 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG51, i missed you | 00:15 |
| ZogG | MiskaX hey теска | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: I occasionally get whole hw kbd dead, and need to close and reopen slide to resurrect it | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | DangerMaus: what's meaning of "dim screen"? change brighness, or lock? | 00:18 |
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| DangerMaus | change brightness | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/simple-brightness-applet/ | 00:19 |
| DangerMaus | docscrutinizer yep colosing did bring the key back | 00:20 |
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| DangerMaus | yay simple brightness app is just what i was looking for thnx Doc | 00:25 |
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| cehteh | grr fcam doesnt like the new kernel yet | 00:29 |
| ZogG | i want autotunes on maemo =) | 00:29 |
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| ZogG | The confusion stems from the naming. Nokia chose, at the time of the MeeGo | 00:34 |
| ZogG | launch, to rebrand Harmattan from 'Maemo' to being 'MeeGo', 'MeeGo-Harmattan', | 00:34 |
| ZogG | 'a MeeGo instance', 'MeeGo compatible', etc - instead of just calling it | 00:34 |
| ZogG | what it is: Maemo. | 00:34 |
| ZogG | lol - maemo is alive | 00:34 |
| ZogG | or they want to sell as max as they can | 00:35 |
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| MohammadAG | I just came here to do a quick WTF | 00:37 |
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| MohammadAG | "I decided to do a Nokia here and make an application that would really be suited to customisation by its users but I released it as a closed source app, instead. My thoughts are also to be found in the application, too. Goodbye :)" ~qwerty12 | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | sory for OT, but... Wooohooo, backup app of Yast is up to 3.86 of 30GB, 140380 files and constantly counting up at 10/s. Isn't it a really great app? :-D | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | OH FUCK | 00:38 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59700 | 00:39 |
| MohammadAG | cat the binary | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | 360:19.36 CPU time :-D | 00:39 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you don't seem to be noticing qwerty12 left | 00:40 |
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| ShadowJK | strings? | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: err what? | 00:41 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, cat the binary, it has plain text in it | 00:41 |
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| MohammadAG | A message to the Maemo Community | 00:42 |
| ShadowJK | paxtebin it? | 00:42 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, too many swear words | 00:44 |
| * ShadowJK ponders how to extract deb | 00:44 | |
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| jacekowski | dpkg | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | fuck to many bloody shit swearwords even for the friggin bastard pastebin?? | 00:45 |
| threezero | friggen pastebin | 00:45 |
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| threezero | frak you pastebin | 00:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: do a screenshot and up to flicker or whatever :-D | 00:46 |
| ShadowJK | dpkg --help is unhelpful | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | but.. but... deb is SO MUCH BETTER than RPM tools :-o | 00:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 00:47 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, just untar it... | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | or use file-roller | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, and it's dpkg-deb | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for? | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | different binary | 00:48 |
| ShadowJK | tar and gzip complained about invalid magic :-) | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it's something important then for sure he hadn't hidden it in such a weird way | 00:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | screwit | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | pastebin, expires in 1 hour | 00:49 |
| ZogG | link | 00:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | posers | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | well, sec | 00:49 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KsvkFue9 | 00:50 |
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| jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/U3fgiZhr | 00:50 |
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| MohammadAG | too late | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, he left a message about some people here | 00:51 |
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| mikhas | uh | 00:52 |
| jacekowski | frenchman on irc? | 00:53 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: eh? | 00:53 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 00:54 |
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| jacekowski | who's that frenchman mentioned? | 00:54 |
| ZogG | lol | 00:55 |
| ZogG | he is my hero =) | 00:55 |
| lbt | ShadowJK: dpkg-deb -x and -e | 00:55 |
| ZogG | V la vindetta | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | ... to that Frenchman on IRC ... - that part | 00:55 |
| ShadowJK | lbt: yeah found it in dpkg-deb --help, thanks :) | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | but to be honest, he's right | 00:55 |
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| ZogG | lol | 00:56 |
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| ZogG | he said it to rude but mostly right | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | fair points | 00:58 |
| lbt | meh... life's not perfect. If you ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem. | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | but thing is that we don't want to see the code | 00:58 |
| andre__ | qwerty12 has some points. | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | we know that bme is an abomination | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | that ideally would just die | 00:58 |
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| ShadowJK | I didnt realize bme was in his rant :0 | 00:59 |
| ieatlint | does anyone know off-hand if the N900's audio jack is capable of recording in stereo? | 00:59 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: closed source software was his rant | 00:59 |
| ZogG | and bme is part of it | 01:00 |
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| ZogG | i think it was made on purpose with no other way to charge only with miniUSB, so it would be harder ot port things | 01:00 |
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| ZogG | i mean OSs | 01:00 |
| ShadowJK | eh | 01:00 |
| ZogG | but nitroid rocks | 01:00 |
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| * ShadowJK charges N900 without bme every week | 01:01 | |
| jacekowski | besides, without BME bq24150 will never go out of charging mode | 01:01 |
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| ShadowJK | N900 actually has a sensible charging hw, compared to N8x0 that I wouldn't dare try drive myself :) | 01:01 |
| jacekowski | so once it enters emergency charge mode it will stay in it | 01:02 |
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| ShadowJK | Well.. kinda | 01:02 |
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| jacekowski | bootloader will not touch charger unless there is no BSI | 01:03 |
| ZogG | anyway google maybe is more close but their product is more user-end usable | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | n900 is end user usable | 01:04 |
| jacekowski | mostly | 01:04 |
| ZogG | while nokia is giving you one side opportunity to develop but other side it stay closed and you depend on it in common things | 01:04 |
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| ShadowJK | the defaults that bq24150 come up with aren't that nice, only brings battery to 30-40% or so.. | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | <jacekowski> who's that frenchman mentioned? <-- I think it's quite clear | 01:04 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: not really | 01:04 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG: not for me | 01:04 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG: are you french? | 01:04 |
| ZogG | jacekowski, i don't see any useable when there are a lot of small bugs that you don't know if anyoe working on them and if update will ever come out at all | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 01:05 |
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| jacekowski | i could be evil now | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | and decide to fuck it and upload chromium to nokia repository | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, no, but someone who said "eh" is in france | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | and then again and again ang again | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | 00:00 < ShadowJK> eh | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | 17:47 < DocScrutinizer> meh | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | 03:27 < nox-> eh | 01:06 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, sorry for the mention | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | rofl | 01:06 |
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| crashanddie | eh? | 01:06 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, hahaha =) | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | priceless! | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | And to that Frenchman on IRC who feels the need to add a comment about me everytime my name is mentioned: Fuck off. | 01:07 |
| * ZogG brings popcorn | 01:07 | |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, qwerty12 left a note about you | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | where? | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | well, not exactly a note | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | PM | 01:07 |
| ShadowJK | not by name | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | he plastered it on the IRC wall? | 01:07 |
| crashanddie | qwerty came online? | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | hidden note | 01:08 |
| ZogG | crashanddie, yes and he tagged you there =) | 01:08 |
| ShadowJK | inside one of his apps | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | I'm lost | 01:08 |
| crashanddie | I'd love to have qwerty back | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59700 | 01:09 |
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| ZogG | crashanddie http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KsvkFue9 | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: and inside that app was note - http://pastebin.com/U3fgiZhr | 01:09 |
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| crashanddie | wow, someone's got family issues | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: nope | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: heh? of course bq24150 will terminate charging | 01:11 |
| ieatlint | damn... thanks though | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: after 32 minutes | 01:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-04 00:01:44] <jacekowski> besides, without BME bq24150 will never go out of charging mode | 01:12 |
| GNU\caust1c | is the power-kernel deinstallation safe? | 01:12 |
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| jacekowski | never was little bit stretched | 01:12 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie: no offense, but reading what he accuses this unnamed person of, and what you just speculated about his family, it's just priceless irony :-) | 01:12 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, i think he means you can plug and unplug charger and it'll "work" | 01:13 |
| * ZogG is gonna run away before fight | 01:13 | |
| ZogG | don't like when it happens | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | ZogG, there won't be a fight | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: indeed, damn! Missed opportunity, flames go to EE of Nokia | 01:13 |
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| ZogG | gn8 | 01:13 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: hey, I don't remember being nasty about him, just honest. I really had no hard feelings about the guy, I'm sorry he fels that way about me, I never intended to hurt him. | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | it's a final goodbye, a sad one tbh | 01:13 |
| ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: yeah, i imagine the chip supports it | 01:14 |
| ieatlint | but perhaps it was too unrealistic to wire it, as there is already stereo output, mono input, and composite video output | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | Well qwerty12, if you're reading this, goodbye | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | you'll be missed, that I'm sure of | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | and single-button headset button state detection | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | (though unused afaik) | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: now, I really don't have anything to prove, but those who know me know I have a girlfriend and am very happy. I mean, I know I'm not the best looking guy around, but in the one evening at the nokia london event, I still managed to grab 4 phone numbers in less than 3 hours, so I must be doing something right. | 01:15 |
| ShadowJK | qwerty12: so long and thanks for all the fish :-) | 01:15 |
| crashanddie | and Jaffa and lcuk can vouch for that. | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: We (no *I*, or OpenMoko EE), did same for GTA03, and it's just ~2ct | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe less | 01:16 |
| ieatlint | heh, poor gta03 | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:16 |
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| ieatlint | i still have my gta02s... can barely even find a use for them :( | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | never really liked it with that crappy c-ts and all, but at least a few hundered would have been nice | 01:17 |
| ieatlint | does the gta02 support recording stereo? :) | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 01:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | too late for GTA02 mayor redesigns | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Using openBTS, and faking a tower? | 01:17 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: eh? | 01:17 |
| SpeedEvil | 'grabbing phone numbers' - nvm | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil: you stalker you | 01:18 |
| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: lol | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | tried it for A7, but the dude with heat on for fab was saying "we don't need that" | 01:18 |
| ieatlint | generally i would agree... you mostly don't need stereo recording on a phone | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | for 2ct I take what I can get | 01:19 |
| * SpeedEvil sighs. | 01:19 | |
| ieatlint | but with stereo, i could create a dongle that could simultaneously record magstripes from two different tracks on the card | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehehehehe | 01:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually a nice idea about "how to make money with OM" | 01:20 |
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| ieatlint | with a crazy bit of effort, i could turn an openmoko gta02 into a device that reads magnetic stripes, rfid and pin entry for access control | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: if you don't mind some hw hackery, you can put GTA02-A6/7 to work wrt stereo recording | 01:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's on some testpoints/0R iirc | 01:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so has stereo line-in, just missing the receptacle :-D | 01:23 |
| ieatlint | i'd have to look at what revisions i have | 01:23 |
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| ieatlint | a5 i think | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | umm, had to look how it's been done on A5, odds are those are NC on BGA there | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (mag stripes) thought you were after cloning credit cards | 01:25 |
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| ieatlint | haha, nah | 01:25 |
| ieatlint | it's 90% a project i got onto, as it looks awesome to read cards on a mobile phone, and hopefully will result in me getting a job :P | 01:26 |
| jacekowski | ieatlint: with stereo you could get 3 stripes | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | was in vegas over the weekend, and could slide someone's driver licence and have my N900 display who issued it, their driver licence number, date of birth and expiration date of the licence | 01:27 |
| ieatlint | jacekowski: oh? | 01:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | ieatlint: punch cards too? | 01:28 |
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| ieatlint | hah, right, just write an app that interfaces with the camera | 01:29 |
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| crashanddie | sent an email to q, hope he replies | 01:31 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, he'll see/read it, I'm sure of that | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: if you got too many of those jobs, then toss one over to me | 01:33 |
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| ieatlint | hah... got none at the moment :( | 01:34 |
| crashanddie | I'm actually quite hurt and not feeling too well | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | :( | 01:34 |
| MohammadAG | I feel sad he left | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | not because of what he actually said, I mean, who doesn't get shit thrown at him every couple | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | to me it felt like he left some 4 or 5 months ago | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen qwerty12 | 01:35 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 243d 4h 11m 56s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 01:35 |
| crashanddie | I mean, why the fuck would I send the guy emails asking how he's doing, and when he'll be back on IRC if I actually didn't like him | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | he left IRC, he didn't leave maemo | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | fuck me | 01:36 |
| ieatlint | he quit irc *forever*? :P | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 01:36 |
| crashanddie | he quit maemo forever too, apparently | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | don't blame that ^ on yourself though | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | IRC, yeah, you can blame yourself :) | 01:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer still wondering who's a fat frenchman here XD | 01:37 | |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, haven't had enough coffee eh? | 01:38 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: it's supposed to be me | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | though I'm hardly "fat". 82kg for 1m86 | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | I was though, when we met | 01:42 |
| crashanddie | probably over 100kg, back then | 01:42 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG: but no, IRC, I can't blame myself | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: are you French? | 01:43 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG: he should blame himself. He was becoming an asshole against each and everyone here, I told him, he left. He made that decision, not me. | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: are you fat? | 01:43 |
| MohammadAG | <crashanddie> though I'm hardly "fat". 82kg for 1m86 | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | he could've tuned it down a little, but he decided to leave of his own accord, and also because of uni | 01:44 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, he never blamed you for leaving IRC, I did | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: not French, but lived in France for quite some years, back in it, now. | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you really got some self esteem - at least about your nasty properties :-P | 01:44 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: meaning? | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, he's talking about a nasty fat French that is offending him. 2 of the 4 criteria *might* match | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as you're nototious to be nasty and offending | 01:46 |
| crashanddie | that's what he used to call me | 01:46 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 01:46 | |
| crashanddie | though it was jokingly before, I suspect it's not that jokingly anymore | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | I kinda agree on the testers part btw | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | onother one who missed to swallow his pills in the morning | 01:46 |
| MohammadAG | frozen-bubble was uninstallable cause of missing package in the SSU repos | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't update it as it's quite pointless to do so | 01:47 |
| MohammadAG | no one changed votes after X-Fade fixed the problems | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: he's pissed because once or twice on IRC I said that he wasn't the most socially skilled person IRL | 01:47 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, it's a secret plot to make maemo.org QA and software releases slower than Nokia QA and releases ;p | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: that even though he has a big mouth when it's his fingers spelling, his mouth IRL isn't able to end a sentence without stuttering | 01:47 |
| crashanddie | he took offence, I guess | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | one more indication he forgot his Litium | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and/or haloperidol | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | And as I said in my email to him, the only reason I thought it was relevant was because the guy has massive charisma and presence on IRC or wherever online | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | if someone calls me a social crook I shrug and say "so damn right, brother" | 01:48 |
| crashanddie | well, it's a shame he thinks that of me, anyway | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | I still have massive amounts of respect for him | 01:49 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, I thought it was pretty funny that he accused you of saying strange nasty things about him on irc, and the first thing after reading that you said something about his family :-) | 01:49 |
| crashanddie | isn't the family issue a pretty common saying when someone goes on such a rampage? | 01:50 |
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| crashanddie | or daddy issues | 01:50 |
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| crashanddie | whatever, I don't care anymore. He could've come and talked to me, decided to insult me in public, whatever | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually it's a pitty it won't help qwerty in his future life, whatever was the original motivation and planned intention for this crazy thing | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: just asking about liqbase - what does it use as reference for that inverted AR? | 01:52 |
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| ShadowJK | iirc ceiling lamp? | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: - i'm just looking at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00tcs5r/Dragons_Den_Series_8_Episode_4/ - at the part where they have that graffiti wall | 01:52 |
| ShadowJK | oh the dotzero thing? | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | they have like a virtualgraffiti | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | with spray can | 01:53 |
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| jacekowski | and i'm thinking about using n900 as that spray can | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | with a laptop or something | 01:53 |
| ShadowJK | inverted ar you mean where he has his n900 on thr desk and moving it gives him different views? | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | i think he said ceiling lamp... | 01:54 |
| ShadowJK | but my memory is pretty fuzzy.. | 01:55 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: the spray can was demoed at onedotzero in london as well | 01:55 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: not with an N900 though, it was in front of the green room, made sounds and painted the wall based on how fast/shaped you would spray a laser on a wall | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | take a look at that video | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | somewhere close to the end | 01:57 |
| crashanddie | can't, not in the UK | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | http://www.deborahmeaden.com/investment/lumacoustics---yrwall/14/ | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | http://www.yrwall.com/ | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | same thing with n900 replacing can | 01:59 |
| crashanddie | It's probably a lot easier to use a wiimote for the location sensing, rather than the n900 | 02:00 |
| crashanddie | n900 can be used for accelerometer and sending the infrared light, but tracking is going to be hard | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | well, lcuk has tracking working | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | I know | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | and if you use front camera on display you can always add reference points as required | 02:01 |
| crashanddie | but we'll have to see what precision we get in front of a specifically lit room | 02:01 |
| ShadowJK | MohammadAG, there's like no way to "connect" to people/testers from the packages interface.. I've never voted anything down because I know I'd never ever realize something changed | 02:01 |
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| MohammadAG | ShadowJK, when someone votes down/up they get CC'd, if someone comments they should get an email | 02:02 |
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| ShadowJK | you know the actual vote buttons don't actually work for me unless I force https.. | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil1 | odd | 02:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: 3 white blobs, distance 2:2:1 | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | somewhere in the youtube vid you see the reflection on N900 screen | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also on every move you see a green graphic showing the calculation done | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk said he used LCD of another N900 to display them | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | (the white dots) | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | could be ceiling lamps as well | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or LEDs | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whatever | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | topic vote: any tester willing to spend 5 minutes on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ ? | 02:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (177k files, 5.04GB - of 30 :-S) | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | damn that backup has to last forever, with all the effort it took to create it | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ETA: weekend :-P | 02:15 |
| ShadowJK | backup of? | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Laptop - with yast backup utility XP | 02:16 |
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| * ShadowJK rsyncs N900 to PC and incremental tar backup of PC | 02:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer | probably designed for 16 core machines | 02:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I thought "let's play John Dumbass user today" | 02:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | didn't think tha game would take days to finish | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but who cares, it's just eating ne of my 2 cores (which also voids my prev assumption about 16 core) | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and til now just building up administration info (aka file list), not a single byte copied/saved yet | 02:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, md5sum of 30GB takes a while | 02:20 |
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| jacekowski | thing that's next in my queue is porting http://qubes-os.org/ display driver to window | 02:20 |
| jacekowski | windows | 02:20 |
| jacekowski | so i can use it as my normal os | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | scanning my ~ on pc for changed files takes the majority of backup time for me | 02:20 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: inotify | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | tar doesn't do it | 02:21 |
| ShadowJK | (afaik) | 02:21 |
| jacekowski | i had somewhere simple piece of software that just listed changes | 02:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~curse scratchbox | 02:21 |
| infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, scratchbox ! | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | takes some 5 or 6 GB of that 30 | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | i mean, just simple daemon that was monitoring changes in my /home | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | and pushing them to mysql | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | with some other info | 02:22 |
| ShadowJK | Well, starting mysql takes longer than most my backups, so no thanks. | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | well, i had other PC running all the time | 02:22 |
| jacekowski | with mysql and stuff | 02:23 |
| ShadowJK | and I'd rather have my RAM :P | 02:23 |
| jacekowski | and that pc was handling storing of my data | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | if it wasn't for my uptime, I'd do a simple diskimage | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | lvm | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | that was my next attempt for doing nice backups | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, overkill | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | snapshots with lvm | 02:24 |
| ShadowJK | I imagine changing to lvm would take longer than a simple diskimage? ;p | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | well, if you start with lvm then you don't have to change to it | 02:25 |
| * ShadowJK changed away from lvm at one point | 02:25 | |
| jacekowski | and i had lvm just for ease of resizing partitions | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'd need an image as a fallback prior to even starting such enterprise | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | ShadowJK: why? | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | Alan Cox said it sucks, so I just said "baa" and followed | 02:25 |
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| jacekowski | geez | 02:26 |
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| jacekowski | sheep | 02:26 |
| ShadowJK | (to be exact, I think it was ncq and/or write barriers that didn't pass through LVM layer to disk) | 02:26 |
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| nox- | ouch | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | ncq is done in lower layer | 02:27 |
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| jacekowski | os doesn't know about it | 02:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I was happy without added complexity of LVM since last millenium, and I never thought about changing that | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | write barriers as far as i know were implemented for ages | 02:28 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, for sure :) | 02:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just that backup SUUUUUCKS - 183k files, 5.31 | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's pretty exactly 1GB/h | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | for building data structures - let's see how long gzipping and storing will take then | 02:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | my reckoning: 70h total | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | wtf, it's only done 'ls' so far? | 02:33 |
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| ShadowJK | or ls+md5sum? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | md5sums each file, for later ncremental backup | 02:34 |
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| ShadowJK | Oh there's that cute utility that does incremental backups with rsync's algo :) | 02:34 |
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| jacekowski | i recently had attempt at doing backups onto ZFS in fuse with dedupe enabled | 02:35 |
| * DocScrutinizer fool <- didn't consider to do his math before tagging "use md5sum instead of simple size/date compare" | 02:35 | |
| jacekowski | and other fuse based FS | 02:35 |
| jacekowski | and then just full copy of all data to folders | 02:35 |
| jacekowski | but dedupe has failed | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nvm, 70h isn't bad - for storing partition tables as well | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | </sarcasm> | 02:42 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, different kind of graffiti wall afaik, that is v nice but aimed at making one painting | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lo lcuk | 02:44 |
| lcuk | crashanddie_, the spray can was different again, that was laser painting | 02:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer grabs his 150mW green laser, and 'paints' some flies on the wall | 02:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer | good I got no wallpapers | 02:45 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, with the right paint, sure! | 02:45 |
| lcuk | hiya | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol - ruined the black cover paper of that Nokia N900 booklet | 02:45 |
| lcuk | ooer | 02:46 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the white lights | 02:46 |
| * lcuk shakes head | 02:46 | |
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| lcuk | they fail in normal use | 02:46 |
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| lcuk | i changed the algorithm to prefilter to a color before checking spots | 02:46 |
| lcuk | and now use colored bright spots | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | filter to some specific small checkerboard pattern maybe? | 02:47 |
| lcuk | nahh just a range of green in this case | 02:47 |
| LinuxCode | exit | 02:47 |
| lcuk | enter | 02:47 |
| LinuxCode | sorry | 02:48 |
| LinuxCode | lol | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | sigint | 02:48 |
| lcuk | return -1; | 02:48 |
| LinuxCode | about to go to bed, closing terminals lol | 02:48 |
| LinuxCode | sigkill ;-p | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | this can only happen on... linux code | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 02:48 |
| LinuxCode | pun intended ? | 02:48 |
| LinuxCode | haha | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | nite LinuxCode | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 02:49 |
| LinuxCode | nn guys | 02:49 |
| lcuk | nn lc | 02:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (uhuh ...scratchbox/compilers/...foo..bar 191.100 files - - - me dares to start email again | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ) | 02:52 |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders how this extremely thoroughgoing backup tool is supposed to deal with open or even changing files anyway | 02:53 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-O maybe it does a verify run D-: - another 140h to md5sum original and backup | 02:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *WAAAAAAH* | 02:56 |
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| TermanaN900 | good moaning | 02:57 |
| matthew- | Hmmm | 02:58 |
| matthew- | anyone here works for Vodafone? | 02:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | loud moaning | 02:59 |
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| matthew- | Someeeone here worked there? | 03:07 |
| matthew- | SpeedEvil: Long time no see. | 03:07 |
| matthew- | Or sea even :) | 03:07 |
| crashanddie | matthew-: why? | 03:07 |
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| matthew- | crashanddie: I had a number to someone working there in call centre in warrington/runcorn area | 03:08 |
| matthew- | and i dont remember. | 03:08 |
| matthew- | who it was | 03:08 |
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| matthew- | crashanddie: Was it YOU? | 03:18 |
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| TermanaN900 | matthew-, doubtful - crashanddie is a security expert, why would he work in a call centre let alone a VODAFONE call centre!? :P | 03:25 |
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| matthew- | Dunno! | 03:26 |
| matthew- | damn, how to find him :D | 03:27 |
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| TermanaN900 | matthew-, if you know what date you talked to them (and it was in the channel not pm), read the log for that date | 03:30 |
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| crashanddie | matthew-: if you have a name, just social engineer your way in | 03:30 |
| crashanddie | matthew-: call the vodafone UK main office, and say you're his brother in law, and there is an urgency | 03:31 |
| matthew- | crashanddie: I dont have his name | 03:31 |
| matthew- | I dont remember | 03:31 |
| matthew- | if I did i would do it | 03:31 |
| matthew- | TermanaN900: I dont keep logs. | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | then you're toast | 03:31 |
| crashanddie | matthew-: but the channeld oes | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you remember any unique (combination of) words, then use irclog search function | 03:31 |
| matthew- | oh, where are they ? | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | ~topic | 03:32 |
| matthew- | oops. | 03:32 |
| matthew- | <-- daft. | 03:32 |
| matthew- | its late | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | anyway | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | interview in 5.5 hours | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | wish me luck | 03:32 |
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| matthew- | crashanddie: Who with? | 03:32 |
| crashanddie | a company | 03:32 |
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| matthew- | No shit. | 03:33 |
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| matthew- | crashanddie: What industry is the company in | 03:33 |
| TermanaN900 | crashanddie, good luck | 03:33 |
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| crashanddie | matthew-: telco software | 03:33 |
| matthew- | Good luck then. | 03:33 |
| crashanddie | ta | 03:33 |
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| matthew- | crashanddie: Hint for the future, interviews should be between 10 and 11:30am | 03:35 |
| crashanddie | matthew-: the guy is flying out at 10, they want to hire me fast | 03:35 |
| matthew- | Oh, in that case it's ok. But you're "at ur best" between those hours | 03:35 |
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| matthew- | or at least ur brain is. | 03:36 |
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| crashanddie | yeah, yeah, I know | 03:36 |
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| matthew- | Hence I dont interview people between those hours :) | 03:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | Some people are. | 03:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | 12AM-2AM is about my best. | 03:37 |
| crashanddie | my best was in the office, between 5PM and 2AM | 03:38 |
| matthew- | yh, interns arrive soon at our offices | 03:38 |
| crashanddie | quiet, cool, all tools available | 03:38 |
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| TiagoTiago | hi | 03:39 |
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| TiagoTiago | To sabe me some time in case one of you knows the answer by heart, Is there a way i can make it so the disk space for installing programs grows as needed automaticly? | 03:40 |
| TiagoTiago | save* | 03:40 |
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| TiagoTiago | if you don't know the answer, just let me know and i'll see if i can find it with google | 03:42 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, ditto, its been a long day | 03:47 |
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| TiagoTiago | no one? | 03:51 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, there is no dynamic space scaling mechanism | 03:53 |
| lcuk | there are discussions and prototypes in place to use various schemes for space concerns | 03:54 |
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| lcuk | if you have run into specific space problem then do best to find out what it is, and file bug with devs (if the package is taking lots of rootfs space) | 03:55 |
| TiagoTiago | would it be possible to trick the system into using the 32gb for any data that doesn't fit the rootfs, kiinda like merging the partitions but without actually doing it | 03:55 |
| TiagoTiago | ? | 03:55 |
| TiagoTiago | i'm just worried about installing too much stuff and not being able to update the firmware and stuff | 03:56 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, it already does in a way, there is 2gb allocated to do pretty much that | 03:56 |
| TiagoTiago | i thought the 2gb was used to store the programs i install | 03:56 |
| lcuk | well updating the firmware and stuff is only partially related to space anyway | 03:56 |
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| luke-jr | why the heck won't Camera run if you're in a call? -.- | 03:57 |
| lcuk | yes, but without it you would be able to install only 256mb.. | 03:57 |
| TiagoTiago | i read somewhere someone kinda bricked their N900 'cause there was no more free space for OTA firmware update | 03:57 |
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| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: you can repartition the 29 GB if you want | 03:57 |
| lcuk | the OTA will not let you start if you dont have space | 03:57 |
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| TiagoTiago | ok | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: do note it's not really 32 GB | 03:57 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, thats not his concern technically | 03:57 |
| lcuk | because with 29gb used for opt you can still run out of rootfs | 03:57 |
| luke-jr | shrug | 03:58 |
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| luke-jr | someone put rootfs on eMMC | 03:58 |
| lcuk | yeah | 03:58 |
| lcuk | that was one of the first things I said up there | 03:58 |
| lcuk | <lcuk> there are discussions and prototypes in place to use various schemes for space concerns | 03:58 |
| TiagoTiago | no way to have a dynamic partition used instead of the fixed 2GB one? (kinda like how truecrypt allow for dynamic volumes, the partition is actually a file inside another partition) | 03:58 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, if you are comfortable with linux, anything is possible | 03:59 |
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| TiagoTiago | i gotta check how-tos for most things :( | 03:59 |
| lcuk | but, no there is no user friendly one click regression free snappy fingers way yet | 03:59 |
| luke-jr | TiagoTiago: no reason to have more than one partition really | 03:59 |
| lcuk | so, best advice - use device as you do, keep it clean | 03:59 |
| TiagoTiago | i tend to install lots of stuff | 03:59 |
| lcuk | when ssu comes round whichever method you use - run BACKUP | 04:00 |
| lcuk | then install lots of stuff | 04:00 |
| lcuk | come back here when you have verifiable out of space things that cannot be cured by simple housekeeping | 04:00 |
| TiagoTiago | just so you have an idea, i got 140+ extensions enabled in Firefox in my desktop machine (about 160+ total) | 04:01 |
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| luke-jr | in other words, you're terrible at housecleaning | 04:02 |
| TiagoTiago | more like i'm a compulsive hoarder | 04:02 |
| luke-jr | just as abd | 04:02 |
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| lcuk | TiagoTiago, I make cups of coffee quite often | 04:02 |
| TiagoTiago | lol | 04:02 |
| lcuk | but I dont pour more water into a specific cup than the cup can hold | 04:02 |
| lcuk | TiagoTiago, also, I prefer to create data than applications ;) | 04:03 |
| * lcuk is going to bed | 04:03 | |
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| b-man | c ya lcuk o/ | 04:04 |
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| lcuk | hey b-man \o didnt see you, hi n bye | 04:04 |
| b-man | lol | 04:04 |
| TiagoTiago | cya, and thanx for making me feel more confortable with installing stuff :) | 04:04 |
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| luke-jr | TiagoTiago_: just install Gentoo and ignore Maemo | 04:05 |
| luke-jr | :D | 04:05 |
| b-man | xD | 04:05 |
| TiagoTiago_ | lol | 04:06 |
| TiagoTiago_ | gah, the font is tiny in x-chat! | 04:06 |
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| TiagoTiago_ | there | 04:10 |
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| TiagoTiago_ | hm, is there a channel for the Maemo veersion of x-chat? | 04:15 |
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| TiagoTiago | there directly from my N900 :) | 04:23 |
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| TiagoTiago_ | oh well, cya, and thanx for all | 04:27 |
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| zeltak | ok so finally happend to me to after a week..rebooted the phone and all i get is the black screen with the whote dots...whats next :)? | 04:41 |
| ptl | reflash | 04:41 |
| zeltak | darn..thats the only option? | 04:41 |
| zeltak | is there a way to save the setting for the programs? | 04:42 |
| asj | restore from the backup you did | 04:42 |
| zeltak | heheeh the oni did when i first got the n900 last week that is..lol | 04:42 |
| luke-jr | you could boot a rescue kernel over USB | 04:43 |
| zeltak | there is no safe boot option to letme backup stuf | 04:43 |
| luke-jr | * nobody's actually made one yet afaik | 04:43 |
| zeltak | i see | 04:43 |
| zeltak | weird worked pretty good up to today with all possible repos :) | 04:43 |
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| zeltak | dont remember what i installed today.. | 04:43 |
| asj | I've never had that problem | 04:43 |
| zeltak | yeah i did install a shitload of stuff this week | 04:44 |
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| asj | zeltak: did you install say an experimental kernel? | 04:45 |
| zeltak | nah | 04:45 |
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| zeltak | just some programs | 04:45 |
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| asj | zeltak: so? they resolv dependencies, the wifi hotspot program for example requires a new kernel | 04:46 |
| zeltak | lets see Desktop Command Execution Widget Scripts, screen (with the tools repo) what else | 04:46 |
| zeltak | 7zip macuco | 04:47 |
| zeltak | portbase thats about it | 04:47 |
| nox- | p7zip? which repo was that in? | 04:47 |
| zeltak | mmm dunno..package is called p7zip-full | 04:48 |
| zeltak | ok i guess its off to flash the phone... | 04:49 |
| zeltak | i guess i need to backup more often... | 04:49 |
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| zeltak | for the record i dont need to reflash the user space (vanilla) right? just the root? | 04:50 |
| nox- | asj, n900 can run hostapd? can it do monitor mode too? | 04:53 |
| asj | nox-: don't know | 04:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check aircrack | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: yep, flashing COMBINED image to rootfs should suffice | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | correctly packaged apps should remember their specific config after you've reinstalled them | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | asj: there's been hotspot mentioned above - take care: it installs new kernel afaik | 04:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so deinstalling hotspot may take special care | 04:59 |
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| zeltak | ok now im a bit stressed..flashed the root and still cant boot :( | 05:03 |
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| zeltak | still getting the white dots moving and its stuck there....help?!? | 05:05 |
| ptl | You'll have to flash the eMMC then | 05:05 |
| ptl | sorry. | 05:06 |
| zeltak | ok as long as i get my phone back :) | 05:06 |
| zeltak | data comes and goes ;-) | 05:06 |
| zeltak | ok so on withthe vanilla flash | 05:07 |
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| zeltak | ok that was quick...i dont need to reflash root again after vanilla right? | 05:09 |
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| zeltak | crap all mighty...i get a huge missing image warning ... | 05:10 |
| zeltak | at least its not white dots...help?!? ;-) | 05:10 |
| zeltak | this is sooo wierd..... | 05:11 |
| zeltak | lots of missing image widgets all around... | 05:11 |
| psycho_oreos | nox-, it can with power kernel | 05:12 |
| psycho_oreos | you need to flash fiasco first before the vanilla eMMc | 05:13 |
| zeltak | flash fiasco? | 05:13 |
| zeltak | i did flash the PR first then tried to reboot and then flashed vanilla and tried to reboot | 05:14 |
| psycho_oreos | fiasco is all the pr1.1 pr1.2 images | 05:14 |
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| nox- | i think i already have 1.2 | 05:14 |
| psycho_oreos | no, if you're going to flash both fiasco and vanilla, you need to flash them both without rebooting in between, its noted in the wiki | 05:14 |
| nox- | ah | 05:15 |
| psycho_oreos | nox-, doesn't matter power kernel will work with 1.2 | 05:15 |
| zeltak | ahh ok gothca thx psycho_oreos ..which one first though? | 05:15 |
| psycho_oreos | zeltak, fiasco (pr1.2 or whatever) | 05:15 |
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| zeltak | and then vanilla right/ | 05:15 |
| psycho_oreos | zeltak, yes.. here is my command line which worked with mine: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f --enable-rd-mode && flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R --enable-rd-mode | 05:16 |
| zeltak | without disconnecting the usb cable? | 05:16 |
| zeltak | kk | 05:16 |
| psycho_oreos | without until you reboot and get back into main screen imo | 05:16 |
| zeltak | k trying it now | 05:17 |
| psycho_oreos | for mine, a successful flash leading to main screen would be entering PIN because I set mine up with PIN | 05:17 |
| psycho_oreos | nox-, btw you don't need to reflash to get power kernel, that was for zeltak whos having issues even booting with nokia's kernel | 05:17 |
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| nox- | aah :) | 05:18 |
| psycho_oreos | power kernel afaik is in the normal repos as well as extras-testing | 05:18 |
| zeltak | psycho_oreos: the n900 booted before i had a chance to install vanilla :( still stuck on the whote dots screen :( | 05:18 |
| zeltak | wait..a breaking dev...its back to life... | 05:19 |
| psycho_oreos | zeltak, unless you specified -R (which is reboot) it'll reboot.. | 05:19 |
| zeltak | thank god :) (and psycho_oreos ) ;-) | 05:19 |
| psycho_oreos | nox-, here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power | 05:19 |
| psycho_oreos | zeltak, no worries | 05:19 |
| zeltak | :) | 05:19 |
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| zeltak | i wonder how the hell did it get this way..it was working pretty darn well for a week with all extra repos | 05:20 |
| nox- | serial support? theres a serial port on the n900? | 05:21 |
| * nox- reading the wiki... | 05:21 | |
| psycho_oreos | some extra repos are marked for testing or pure experimental (extras-testing is obviously experimental testing and extras-devel is bleeding edge stuff) | 05:21 |
| zeltak | yeah im aware..just wanted to know why (or which app :)) | 05:21 |
| psycho_oreos | nox-, not sure, someone said you can but I could be wrong | 05:22 |
| luke-jr | nox-: everything has a serial port somewhere | 05:22 |
| psycho_oreos | zeltak, bazillion apps, any could be the cause | 05:22 |
| nox- | luke-jr, ah ok buried somewhere on the board then :) | 05:22 |
| zeltak | gotcha..i guess the sys log wouldnt help since i reflashed lol | 05:22 |
| psycho_oreos | zeltak, the first time I bricked my n900 was when I was installing power kernel on the go.. I don't know what happened and upon reboot the phone was bricked (no loading screen apart from nokia) | 05:23 |
| psycho_oreos | nope, not at all I believe | 05:23 |
| zeltak | what is the power kerenel btw i keep hearing about? | 05:23 |
| psycho_oreos | power kernel is a custom kernel built for users who want extra features compared to nokia's kernel | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | what nonsense are you spreading here? | 05:24 |
| psycho_oreos | the link which I posted to nox- has information about it | 05:24 |
| zeltak | gothca cool thx | 05:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | 1: flashing eMMC usually does NOT help on bbot ptoblems | 05:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 2: flashing Vanilla better done *before* Combined, andway DO NOT BOOT in between | 05:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3: sure N900 has serial, it's on the testpoints under the battery | 05:25 |
| zeltak | thx DocScrutinizer ill keep that in mind for the next bricking :) | 05:25 |
| nox- | so i just `apt-get install kernel-power-settings'? | 05:26 |
| psycho_oreos | nox-, no, that's only settings | 05:26 |
| psycho_oreos | nox-, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/kernel-power-flasher/ <--- its in that link before it mentioned about installing the kernel-power-settings | 05:27 |
| luke-jr | has anyone actually documented what that kernel has over the default? | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: why would you install power kernel anyway? | 05:28 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, he was asking about rfmon support | 05:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | not sure about rfmon, but as posted above: check airodump | 05:29 |
| nox- | actually usb ip also sounds interesting | 05:29 |
| psycho_oreos | zeltak, When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! <--- http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 | 05:29 |
| nox- | and cifs possibly | 05:30 |
| psycho_oreos | rfmon works, I have power kernel setup a few times on my n900 and it works with both aircrack-ng and kismet (mind you no injection patches are publicly available for injection on n900 yet) | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: forget that, it's incorrect | 05:30 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, someone should be updating the wiki :) | 05:30 |
| psycho_oreos | at least in my case it worked, flashing fiasco before emmc | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: I did, and somebody reverted it. Rationale: Nokia is telling wrong advice somewhere so we don't want to confuse users and will also tell wrong advice in wiki | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: see history on that wiki page | 05:31 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, hmm interesting | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: it's completely irrelevant which sequence you flash, as long as you DO NOT BOOT. However _if_ you accidentally boot, then flashing rootfs _after_ eMMC is much less harmful than other way round | 05:33 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, in other words its safer to flash fiasco/rootfs incase you accidentally do reboot in between? :) | 05:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rootfs first, boot, then eMMC will give you non working device, while eMMC first, boot, then rootfs will at most leave some garbage data in /opt | 05:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 05:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | rationale for flashing rootfs first: "user will definitely notice he did wrong". Rationale for eMMC first: "user will be happy with booting device" | 05:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/booting/working/ | 05:37 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: rationale for flashing rootfs first: "user will definitely notice he did wrong". Rationale for eMMC first: "user will be happy with working device" | 05:37 |
| zeltak | heheh now im really confused :) | 05:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | what's confusing in this? | 05:37 |
| zeltak | so everyone agrees on your method DocScrutinizer :) rootfs first? | 05:38 |
| psycho_oreos | one is nokia's way of flashing the other is the community way.. I personally think nokia's way is safer should the user accidentally boot the device during flashing of fiasco | 05:38 |
| psycho_oreos | s/during/after/ | 05:39 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: one is nokia's way of flashing the other is the community way.. I personally think nokia's way is safer should the user accidentally boot the device after flashing of fiasco | 05:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes, everybody I completely discussed the issue with agreed on flashing eMMC first is the method that will always yield a working device, even when accidentally booting in between | 05:39 |
| zeltak | gothca cool guys | 05:39 |
| * DangerMaus notes the emmc first bit and waves goodby to bricks | 05:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: what you *think* is largely irrelevant. Nokia method of flashing rootfs first is NOT safer, it's guaranteed to not boot after eMMC flashing if you booted after rootfs flashing | 05:41 |
| psycho_oreos | nokia's method is the method of flashing fiasco/rootfs as mentioned on the wiki.. the community way is the other way round.. both work provided that you don't reboot in between the flashing of both fiasco/rootfs and eMMC but if you did community way and you reboot in between you may end with a bricked device like what you had zeltak | 05:41 |
| zeltak | i see | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: so how is that Nokia method now? | 05:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically *my* method | 05:43 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I don't see how it didn't work in my case.. I flashed it according to wiki as it is (without listening to what was written in the history pages) and it worked fine provided that I didn't reboot during the two flashing stages | 05:43 |
| * zeltak getting even more confused over what to do on the next bricking lol | 05:43 | |
| psycho_oreos | and I suggested the same advice to zeltak who flashed eMMC first then reboot which bricked his n900 and the result is now he has a working device | 05:44 |
| * psycho_oreos itches head, I thought it was nokia vs community on the priority of flashing the device | 05:44 | |
| * DangerMaus is confused now also | 05:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | zeltak: flash rootfs, try to boot, if it really doesn't help then flash eMMC, do NOT boot, flash rootfs AGAIN | 05:45 |
| nox- | grr does akamai some redirection based on useragent string? maemo.org loads alright from the computer but not from the phone... :/ | 05:45 |
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| psycho_oreos | zeltak, either way.. its always good to keep a current backup settings of your n900... if and when it bricks, you can try my method first (which is as current as stated by the wiki) if that fails you can then try DocScrutinizer's method | 05:45 |
| zeltak | gothca ok thx both you guys..appriciate it | 05:46 |
| psycho_oreos | the method I posted to you which got it working was the exact method I did on mine and as per wiki's methods except I added rd mode because I want rd mode | 05:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | or you can flush the device in toilet, nokia implemented a new ultrfast bring in service, will pick it out of the dark water, reflash for you, and then send back to you via gas or water pipes | 05:47 |
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| psycho_oreos | -_-' | 05:47 |
| zeltak | ill save the reflushing methods to extreme situautions ;-) | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you actually start making my day, dude | 05:48 |
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| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I'm just going by whichever method I got things working right.. and the user was having issues with his device so I just suggested the method which worked in my case :) | 05:49 |
| * DocScrutinizer await's psycho_oreos' lesson about overclocking and how great that is, according to what *he* thinks | 05:49 | |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I'm personally against overclocking :) there are those who likes to overclock but not I. The last thing I want is a device that eats more battery life than what I expect for at least a day of normal usage and better yet a fried up CPU which renders n900 useless | 05:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | who forgot to close the gates on tmo?? GO CLOSE IT DUDE! | 05:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | time for a real refreshment | 05:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol -_- | 05:53 |
| pronto | lol! | 05:53 |
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| psycho_oreos | power kernel also enables overclocking and there's a fancy tool known as QCPUFreq that allows the user to adjust their maximum CPU clock speed all the way up to 1GHz or 1.1GHz but again not for me | 05:58 |
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| pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/orig/Candle.08_03_2010.jpg i rather like the n900's camera :> | 07:00 |
| asj | pronto: I dunno, loss of dynamic range in the flame and colour balance is wrong, unless you're burning a nice oxy-acetylene mixture there | 07:02 |
| pronto | o_o | 07:02 |
| pronto | yeah sure man | 07:03 |
| asj | :) | 07:03 |
| pronto | yeah flame is acutatly orangey | 07:03 |
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| pronto | so you acuatatly remember chem class? | 07:03 |
| pronto | wow | 07:04 |
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| asj | pronto: nah, I just weld with an oxy-acetylene torch ever now and then and you can also use it for a very bright and very white light source if you have the mix off a bit | 07:04 |
| pronto | ooh | 07:05 |
| asj | miner lamps were also the same thing, using pellets of something+water | 07:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ummm, scratchbox exit left all bindmounts intact, but unmounted my external USB drive unrelated?? | 07:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | or was this just incidental? | 07:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | something=carbide | 07:07 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: lol, yes and when I read that I instantly thought of the symbian eclipse editor | 07:08 |
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| mintux | when I plug usb cable for use mass storage it said device is busy. also I try sudo umount /home/user/MyDocs it said device or resource is busy | 07:11 |
| mintux | how can I find out what app or files made it busy ? | 07:11 |
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| Toa | mintux: try lsof | 07:13 |
| Toa | mintux: For example, if it was a CD-ROM that was busy, you could use "lsof |grep /dev/cdrom | 07:14 |
| Toa | " in the terminal | 07:14 |
| mintux | hmm | 07:15 |
| mintux | so I should use lsof | grep home ? | 07:15 |
| Toa | You're trying to unmount /home from another computer or from a tablet? | 07:17 |
| mintux | from tablet | 07:18 |
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| mintux | but now I want connect to it and get output of lsof | 07:18 |
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| Toa | Oh, so you want to connect to the tablet from the computer but it's giving you a "can't mount, device busy" error? | 07:20 |
| Toa | or something like that? | 07:20 |
| mintux | no first I didn't any connect to device and from terminal I would like to umount home/user/MyDocs abd I got that error | 07:20 |
| mintux | but now I want to pastbin losof output | 07:21 |
| Toa | Go ahead and put it on http://ubuntu.pastebin.com. | 07:22 |
| Toa | I'm not near my tablet right now, but "lsof | grep ~/" sounds right. | 07:23 |
| mintux | ok | 07:25 |
| Toa | The simplest solution would just be to reboot your tablet with the cable connected. Then it will mount everything it can...but since you want to mount /MyDocs it might be a little more complicated. | 07:26 |
| mintux | http://codepad.org/h52hwuDg | 07:26 |
| Toa | Which tablet do you have? | 07:26 |
| mintux | http://codepad.org/ICum8YlW | 07:26 |
| mintux | yes I know | 07:26 |
| Toa | Ah, 900. | 07:26 |
| mintux | but every time I want to use cable I have to reboot | 07:26 |
| Toa | Yeah, there's better ways. | 07:27 |
| mintux | "windows" should reboot not linux | 07:27 |
| mintux | so I would like to know what's wrong | 07:27 |
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| Toa | Yes, that's right. I don't know how much they changed on the n900. I just have a N810. | 07:28 |
| Toa | It doesn't look like there is anything in MyDocs that is in use. | 07:29 |
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| mintux | yeas | 07:30 |
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| mintux | and its wonderful for me | 07:30 |
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| caedus90 | Hey. Anyone know where I can get the best deal on a new N900? | 07:31 |
| Toa | I'm envious. Another option might be to ssh into the tablet, if you're comfortable doing that, or just use bluetooth for a few files. Alternatively, you could set up a share using wifi. | 07:31 |
| mintux | I mount some drive to that | 07:32 |
| mintux | but I unmounts all | 07:32 |
| mintux | when I mounts some directory it happened . | 07:32 |
| CasTTeLLo | i need help with frozen bubles 2 installation... | 07:32 |
| mintux | but I unmounts all | 07:32 |
| CasTTeLLo | anyone?? | 07:32 |
| CasTTeLLo | apt-get install perl-modules Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package perl-modules is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it: perl-base perl E: Package perl-modules has no installation candidate | 07:33 |
| CasTTeLLo | i'm on PR1.2 | 07:33 |
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| Toa | mintux: You're getting a little beyond me, but I believe you could set up a windows (samba) share on the N900, then map the network share to a drive letter. Or do you not have wifi on the machine you want to connect to? | 07:35 |
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| mintux | Toa: I mount the directory use : mount --bind but when I unmount the directories doesn't un mount yet . I use umount for it it's wrong ? | 07:36 |
| mintux | it said invalid argument | 07:37 |
| mintux | when I want to unmount | 07:37 |
| Toa | mintux: What is the syntax you're using for the umount command? | 07:38 |
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| mintux | sudo umount /home/user/MyDocs/projects | 07:39 |
| mintux | it siad invalid argument | 07:39 |
| Toa | CasTTeLLo: I don't have experience with that, but it looks like you're missing a package. | 07:39 |
| CasTTeLLo | er.. | 07:39 |
| CasTTeLLo | ermmm | 07:39 |
| CasTTeLLo | how to enable ssu repo?? | 07:40 |
| Toa | CasTTeLLo: Do you have the perl-base and perl packages? | 07:40 |
| CasTTeLLo | i'm only got problem with perl-modules | 07:40 |
| CasTTeLLo | perl base is the newest one | 07:41 |
| Toa | CasTTeLLo: You should be able to enable or add any repositories with the application manager. N900, right? | 07:41 |
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| CasTTeLLo | yeah but i don know the setting | 07:41 |
| Toa | mintux: The mount point on the tablet is /home/user/MyDocs/projects? | 07:42 |
| CasTTeLLo | wat is catalogue name, web add, distr, and components for ssu?? | 07:44 |
| Toa | mintux: Because you'll want to umount the path on the host machine. | 07:44 |
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| Toa | CasTTeLLo: SSU being the seamless software update? | 07:45 |
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| CasTTeLLo | wat does it mean??? really have no idea?? | 07:46 |
| mintux | Toa: it's my codes http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/RtTEthnE | 07:47 |
| Toa | CasTTeLLo: Ah, SSU, if it means seamless software upgrade just means the updates that Nokia gives you. You should have that repository already enabled, unless something happened. | 07:49 |
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| Toa | mintux: Just to clarify, are you mounting the MyDocs directories onto another tabet? | 07:52 |
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| mintux | Toa: no | 07:55 |
| mintux | you see what directory I mounted | 07:55 |
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| Toa | mintux: Yes, I do. | 07:57 |
| mintux | maybe it's refer to --bind option | 07:57 |
| mintux | I use umount always and work and not need any argument but here it's different | 07:58 |
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| CasTTeLLo | dc | 07:59 |
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| Toa | Yeah, I'm not familiar with the --bind option, but I'll look at it. Sorry I can't be more help, it's late here and I'm exhausted. But I'll try to get this working for you. | 08:01 |
| mintux | thanks | 08:01 |
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| Toa | mintux: I looked at the manpage but it didn't tell me anything. I don't think this is a maemo-specific issue, though. Do you know what version of bash you're running? | 08:10 |
| mintux | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary | 08:11 |
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| CasTTeLLo | .. | 08:12 |
| Toa | Yes, but I see you run bash in your pastebin. | 08:13 |
| mintux | Toa: I tried sudo umount -f /home/user/MyDocs and it works | 08:15 |
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| CasTTeLLo | Toa : Good Helper....thumbs up!! | 08:17 |
| Toa | mintux: That's great. I'm not sure it will work, but you might want to try -l instead. It's less abrupt. | 08:18 |
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| Toa | As you might know, -f will rip it out of whatever programs' hands are using it at the time with no chance to sync what they want to the filesystem. | 08:19 |
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| luke-jr | why does BusyBox have 'legal' in there? | 08:20 |
| luke-jr | is there an illegal version? | 08:20 |
| mintux | hmm | 08:21 |
| mintux | ok | 08:21 |
| mintux | thanks | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: check changelog for why? | 08:21 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: no | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | well that's one way | 08:22 |
| Toa | mintux: I know I haven't been that much help. It looks like much more experienced minds are awake in the channel now. You may want to ask them. | 08:22 |
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| mintux | hmm ok | 08:22 |
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| Macer | wtf | 08:37 |
| Macer | the rss widget | 08:37 |
| Macer | wont display my wp rss feed | 08:38 |
| Macer | but the rss app does | 08:38 |
| Macer | :( | 08:38 |
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| Macer | broken widget? | 08:38 |
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| microlith | wow, querty12 goes out in flames of immaturity and assholery | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 08:43 |
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| microlith | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59700 | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm not entirely disagreeing with his thoughts though | 08:47 |
| andre__ | He has some points, but the words he chose made it hard to read it all. | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | so it goes - i can understand his frustration and frustration exhibits in different ways in different people | 08:49 |
| frals | can someone pastebin the content of the debfile? ;o | 08:50 |
| andre__ | yupp. he left, while I slowly only become poisonous in my behavior ;-) | 08:50 |
| frals | nvm, found it on page2 of th thread | 08:50 |
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| Stskeeps | either way, qwerty12 has done a shitload of work for the community but has gotten little left, which is a problem we do have to deal with in general as well | 08:51 |
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| Macer | wow | 09:00 |
| Macer | no more qwerty | 09:00 |
| Macer | open source fail | 09:00 |
| Macer | "open source" haha | 09:01 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Good morning! | 09:03 |
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| Macer | yah. nokia has failed :) time for me to go back to android | 09:03 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Macer, what has it done this time? | 09:04 |
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| ljp | best thing about open source, is that you can fix it | 09:04 |
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| mece | ljp what needs fixin? | 09:05 |
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| ljp | I dunno.. Macer was saying Nokia had failed | 09:05 |
| mece | Failed where? | 09:05 |
| ljp | good question | 09:05 |
| ieatlint | it's a misnomer that open source simply means you can fix it | 09:05 |
| mece | meh, nok is a company. They do what they want. I don't care about the politics. | 09:06 |
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| ieatlint | for instance, if you identify a problem in maemo, and come up with an awesome and effective solution, and try to push it upstream, you'll be lucky to get an acknowledgement | 09:06 |
| mece | I also don't expect any charity from them. | 09:06 |
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| ieatlint | best case scenario is they release one more bugfix update for maemo.. | 09:06 |
| Macer | im sorry but when you lose guys like qwerty... | 09:07 |
| mece | ieatlint, but you can fix it yourself... | 09:07 |
| Macer | :) | 09:07 |
| mece | haha yeah | 09:07 |
| mece | entertaining rant :) | 09:07 |
| Macer | it shows that is isnt worth the effort to stick around | 09:07 |
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| Macer | and go with something that is working | 09:07 |
| Macer | like android | 09:07 |
| Macer | heh | 09:07 |
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| mece | well, LOL | 09:07 |
| mece | wjhy the hell? | 09:07 |
| mece | there are no alternatives afaik | 09:08 |
| Macer | might as well consider my n900 dead phone walking | 09:08 |
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| mece | Macer, why? have you dropped it? | 09:08 |
| Macer | no. but i should have | 09:09 |
| mece | Macer, why? | 09:09 |
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| mece | Macer, what's wrong with it? | 09:09 |
| ieatlint | meh, there are only two apps i wish i had on the n900 and don't... google maps (which mappero makes a valiant but ultimately failing attempt at matching), and a very proprietary one that is in android and ipohone | 09:09 |
| mece | ieatlint, which proprietary one is that? | 09:10 |
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| ieatlint | square | 09:10 |
| Macer | benedict arnold hahahaha | 09:10 |
| mece | ieatlint, which is? | 09:10 |
| ieatlint | mobile payment processing app | 09:10 |
| mece | ieatlint, nice. | 09:10 |
| ieatlint | and i love that i can write in any language i want to for the n900 | 09:12 |
| ieatlint | instead of java, and without trying to work in the bizarre apple environment that just randomly kicks you in the balls | 09:13 |
| mece | ieatlint, :) as I said, there are no alternatives. | 09:13 |
| Macer | wtf is a super tester? hahaha | 09:15 |
| Corsac | is square the little cube you plug into the mike minijack? | 09:15 |
| mece | Macer, just people who test a lot. | 09:15 |
| mece | Macer, a way to speed up the qa | 09:15 |
| Macer | uhm | 09:15 |
| Macer | ok :) | 09:15 |
| mece | Macer, reading the qwerty rant I see :) | 09:15 |
| Macer | yah | 09:15 |
| mece | Macer, can you give me the url? | 09:15 |
| Macer | http://pastebin.com/GAxYw8yN | 09:16 |
| Macer | wow he really goes off on a tangent | 09:16 |
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| Macer | but he kind of has a right to | 09:16 |
| Macer | the system created by nokia in the guise of "open" has totally failed | 09:17 |
| ieatlint | Corsac: yes | 09:17 |
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| Macer | and he hung in there for a while before finally realizing how much of his life he wasted in a fruitless community | 09:17 |
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| Corsac | it doesn't look like the most secure solution anyway | 09:18 |
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| Macer | nokia doesnt know how to stick with something and follow through. they simply keep jumping on the bandwagon of what is hip | 09:18 |
| Macer | always chasing the trend instead of being the trendsetter | 09:19 |
| ljp | ya, thats why they still use symbian | 09:19 |
| ljp | cause its trendy | 09:19 |
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| ieatlint | Corsac: meh... as secure as you handing your card to a guy making minimum wage at the local store | 09:19 |
| mece | Macer, meh, qwerty might be right, but it's not anything I care about. I don't give a shit about the politics, and the stuff I need is open. | 09:20 |
| Corsac | ieatlint: I don't do that anyway :) | 09:20 |
| ieatlint | well, most of us live in a world of convenience and fraud protection :) | 09:20 |
| Macer | mece: if you say so. ;) im sorry but i have to agree with him | 09:21 |
| Macer | the politics ruined it and nokia mismanaged it | 09:21 |
| Macer | a shame really | 09:21 |
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| mece | Macer, well, as I said I agree, but it's not something that bothers me or that I care about, since there are no alternatives. | 09:21 |
| Macer | ;) good luck | 09:22 |
| ljp | Macer: what texactly is your problem? | 09:22 |
| Macer | im getting off at the next stop | 09:22 |
| Macer | later everybody. this device is fail. im going to keep it around because meego looks promising | 09:23 |
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| ljp | heh | 09:23 |
| CasTTeLLo | .. | 09:24 |
| ieatlint | geeks have an impressive amount of drama considering the lack of women | 09:24 |
| Corsac | ieatlint: I live there too, I just don't give my card to random people so they carbon-copy it | 09:24 |
| mece | ieatlint, LOL | 09:25 |
| Corsac | (but I live in a part of the world where they invented smartcards) | 09:26 |
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| maemoboi | psst.... maemo fan bois, read this... a few words from a developer: http://pastebin.com/GAxYw8yN | 09:27 |
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| ieatlint | where i come from, we call that an emoquit | 09:27 |
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| ieatlint | and i've seen it done much better | 09:27 |
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| mece | ieatlint, you mean Macer? | 09:28 |
| maemoboi | what cha think of developers abandoning the ship ? | 09:28 |
| mece | maemoboi, developer. Well, it's sad, but the rant was fun. | 09:28 |
| ieatlint | no, that rant... macer's was just a depressingly anti-climactic emoquit, if at all | 09:28 |
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| maemoboi | kinda sad | 09:29 |
| maemoboi | sad that maemo is dead | 09:29 |
| mece | ieatlint, I think it was a quite nice rant. The best thing was the app though. A proper fuck you to all of us. Not to nokia though, which is kinda sad. | 09:29 |
| mece | maemoboi, meh. Mine seem to work just fine. | 09:29 |
| ieatlint | oh yeah, i've seen enough fanbois in here | 09:29 |
| ieatlint | he definitely has some good points | 09:29 |
| ieatlint | but i generally am repulsed by the "i'm quitting ____ FOREVER. I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANY OF YOU, but i'm going to spend the next 10 paragraphs telling you WHY" | 09:30 |
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| maemoboi | he has some excellent points...the council is a joke | 09:31 |
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| maemoboi | R.I.P maemo.....lolz | 09:33 |
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| mece | The funny thing about the rant is that he doesn't actually mention the reason why he got pissed in the first place. | 09:34 |
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| maemoboi | n900 being abandoned is one of the reasons | 09:35 |
| maemoboi | and i agree...fuck the "community effort" bullshit fanbois are yapping about | 09:35 |
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| mece | maemoboi, well he got pissed because gtk was abandoned. Not maemo. | 09:39 |
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| mece | afaict. | 09:39 |
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| Stskeeps | mece: nah, that's not it | 09:40 |
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| mece | Stskeeps, no? He was pretty loud about how he hated qt iirc | 09:41 |
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| maemoboi | incoming call glitch on my n900 is driving me fucking bonkers...yet nokia WONTFIX....fucking joke | 09:42 |
| mece | maemoboi, that was already fixed by community | 09:43 |
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| maemoboi | mece: thats the problem... the goddamn community has to fix everything | 09:44 |
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| mece | maemoboi, so you complain about something that the community has fixed, or actually nokia fixed, and community backported, because the community helped. That's just low man. | 09:48 |
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| mece | maemoboi, I agree that it's a shitty deal for those that expected years of support for this (very niche) device, but I really like the fact that it is possible to fix stuff without having to wait for a fix that might never come. | 09:52 |
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| mece | anyway, here's a howto on the fix: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=769967&postcount=129 | 09:52 |
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| maemoboi | mece: thanks | 09:53 |
| mece | browse the thread and click some thanks for MohammadAG if you think it's usable. | 09:53 |
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| mece | maemoboi, sorry I snapped, didn't mean to be a dick. I understand the frustration people have about the "abandonement" | 09:55 |
| maemoboi | it's ok...i was too strong also | 09:55 |
| maemoboi | thanks anyways | 09:56 |
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| pier_ | Hello, I'm pier, comming fm the Maemo wiki web page | 09:58 |
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| pier_ | zzZZZZZZ are you online ? | 09:59 |
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| toggles_w | hmm, qt vs gtk... | 09:59 |
| toggles_w | it's kind of scary as a dev | 10:00 |
| timeless | with(theater) if (crowded) fire() | 10:00 |
| timeless | if you're a dev and can't transition between them, you're not much of a dev :( | 10:00 |
| timeless | qt/gtk is scary for managers | 10:01 |
| timeless | because they look at their large codebases and say "this will take too long to migrate" | 10:01 |
| pier_ | Hi People, I'm looking for where to start to update to the latest stable OS. I cannot connec to a PC since I'm runninx Linux on my laptop. Tx for any help | 10:01 |
| timeless | for a dev, it's just a matter of looking things up :) | 10:01 |
| toggles_w | for an little dev the licensing is a worry.. | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | what licensing? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:02 |
| timeless | "free to use" | 10:02 |
| timeless | "no support guarantees" | 10:02 |
| * timeless doesn't see how that's interesting | 10:02 | |
| timeless | "changing the code itself requires a lawyer" | 10:03 |
| timeless | ok, that last one could be a problem. | 10:03 |
| timeless | solution? don't change the code! | 10:03 |
| timeless | -- no problem. | 10:03 |
| toggles_w | you go to the licensing page there is no real free option | 10:03 |
| timeless | for which? | 10:03 |
| toggles_w | at least the las tpage it sent me to | 10:03 |
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| timeless | actually, just give me a link and save me some pain | 10:03 |
| toggles_w | unless of coures you want to upload to extras.. | 10:04 |
| toggles_w | i'll have to look for it | 10:04 |
| pier_ | dead end here ? | 10:04 |
| timeless | stskeeps: ever watched the video on http://qt.nokia.com/products/licensing/ ? | 10:05 |
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| toggles_w | i can't find the page i was looking at, think it had something to do with qt-mobility, with the deprecation (?? i think) of liblocation i was looking into how to progress to meego | 10:07 |
| timeless | oh | 10:07 |
| timeless | that's not gtk/qt | 10:07 |
| timeless | but yes, that's a trail of tears :) | 10:08 |
| toggles_w | anyway, the lgpl bit didn't seem to be there from what i remember | 10:08 |
| toggles_w | lol | 10:08 |
| timeless | http://qt.nokia.com/products/licensing/ | 10:08 |
| toggles_w | all the lic pages i see now show lgpl, so i suppose that works? | 10:08 |
| timeless | http://qt.nokia.com/about/licensing/ | 10:08 |
| toggles_w | timeless: yeah | 10:08 |
| timeless | lgpl was Mar '09 | 10:08 |
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| timeless | hrm | 10:09 |
| timeless | no fair, qt.nokia.com's web content doesn't suck | 10:09 |
| timeless | we need to get someone from .nokia.com to get right on it and fix that | 10:09 |
| toggles_w | again, i was running down the "trail of tears" and only saw two options on the page i arived at | 10:09 |
| mece | timeless, to make it suck as expected or..? | 10:09 |
| timeless | provide links | 10:09 |
| timeless | mece affirmative | 10:09 |
| toggles_w | might be android time... | 10:10 |
| mece | toggles_w, why? | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | toggles_w: lgpl is there | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | http://qt.nokia.com/downloads | 10:10 |
| toggles_w | that would be cool, i could write a emo-quit ;-) | 10:10 |
| timeless | it provides an unacceptably good user experience which will set unachievable expectations for users of .nokia.com | 10:10 |
| timeless | the fix is obvious! :) | 10:10 |
| mece | toggles_w, LOL you could try to top qwerty in lulz and profanity :D | 10:11 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 10:11 |
| mece | timeless, delete the css file might help. | 10:11 |
| timeless | mece: nah, needs more flash | 10:12 |
| timeless | much more | 10:12 |
| mece | haaa yeah | 10:12 |
| timeless | and can't use third party flash (youtube), must reinvent the wheel | 10:12 |
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| mece | timeless: ftw! | 10:12 |
| timeless | also qt.nokia.com is missing the absolutely useless landing page | 10:12 |
| timeless | with the checkbox to remember my choice | 10:13 |
| timeless | oh, and it needs a suckier favicon, like the one used by nokia.com | 10:13 |
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| timeless | nokia.com uses an O | 10:13 |
| timeless | surely Qt should use a t? | 10:14 |
| timeless | oh, and the copyright at the bottom is too readable w/ dark gray on light gray | 10:15 |
| timeless | it should be white on light gray | 10:15 |
| timeless | to match the light gray on white used by nokia :) | 10:15 |
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| timeless | and there's too much padding between links at the bottom, it should just be a series of words with no space, no concern for alignment... | 10:16 |
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| toggles_w | lol, who's "the frenchman on irc"? | 10:17 |
| mece | toggles_w, I was wondering the same | 10:17 |
| toggles_w | it's personal.. | 10:17 |
| jacekowski | it's crashanddie afaik | 10:19 |
| jacekowski | but i'm not sure | 10:19 |
| jacekowski | somebody sent me an e-mail about chromium | 10:20 |
| jacekowski | asking where is it | 10:20 |
| jacekowski | with 4 line signature | 10:20 |
| jacekowski | containing | 10:20 |
| jacekowski | Confidentiality Warning: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender by return mail and delete the ma | 10:20 |
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| mece | hee | 10:21 |
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| jacekowski | seriously, waste 4 lines onto that kind of bullshit that nobody cares about | 10:23 |
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| mece | jacekowski, so where is chromium? | 10:27 |
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| toggles_w | mece: you forgot your confidentiality part so you wont get an answer | 10:31 |
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| mece | hey linux knowitalls, /dev/fuse is root/root, normally I would use the group fuse to give user rights to mount sshfs, but that doesn't seem to work the same way it does on my desktop comp. What to do? | 10:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | use sudo? | 10:50 |
| mece | psycho_oreos: I don't want to. | 10:50 |
| mece | psycho_oreos: I want to mount as user | 10:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | mece, then you should very well know how to do it, give fuse group more rights or whatever | 10:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | or can't you simply chown the file? | 10:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | mece, to be obsessed with security and not know how to operate linux properly is quite an irony :P | 10:53 |
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| * CasTTeLLo away.... | 10:55 | |
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| CasTTeLLo | A | 11:01 |
| pronto | D | 11:03 |
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| crashanddie | wtf? My n900 charged all night, green light to indicate it was charged, pulled it out, and it made the low battery sound | 11:05 |
| mece | psycho_oreos: ok got it. | 11:05 |
| mece | crashanddie: ow. | 11:06 |
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| crashanddie | anyway, going for an inteview, later all | 11:06 |
| mece | this is how: root, groupadd fuse, chgrp fuse /dev/fuse, usermod -G fuse -a user, reboot | 11:08 |
| mece | couldn't get the session resetted in a less gressive way for some reason. | 11:08 |
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| mece | s/gressive/aggressive/ | 11:08 |
| infobot | mece meant: couldn't get the session resetted in a less aggressive way for some reason. | 11:08 |
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| knightstalker | Hello | 11:09 |
| mece | knightstalker, 'ello | 11:09 |
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| ghostcube | hi folks, is there a trick to ge cups server working seems iam missing the driver files? | 11:13 |
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| mece | ghostcube, there's a thread on that on tmo that solved it I think. | 11:16 |
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| mece | ghostcube, no that was client.. | 11:17 |
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| mece | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56932 | 11:17 |
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| jacekowski | mece: in the repository | 11:19 |
| ghostcube | mece: hmm i installed cups server here in the n900 by apt-get | 11:19 |
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| ghostcube | and i see the cups page but i cant choose any drivers | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: restart | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: i had same thing happen to me | 11:20 |
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| mece | ghostcube, I haven't tried it so I don't know what the problem is. | 11:22 |
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| ghostcube | hmmm, you cant choose any driver so i think i would need a package providing but foomatic and gutenprint arent available | 11:23 |
| ZogG | morning | 11:24 |
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| ghostcube | even an s55 by simens can print to network easily | 11:24 |
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| ghostcube | i more and more get the feeling that i bought the wrong handy for my needs ... | 11:25 |
| ghostcube | :D | 11:25 |
| knightstalker | ghostcube,ouch 4 u :p | 11:25 |
| ghostcube | its just missing essential things | 11:25 |
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| Jucato | Hi! Qt on Maemo 4 question: Phonon is simply not playing any music (basic example using createPlayer()). it warns that gstreamer0.10-plugins-good seems not installed, but it's there. any ideas? | 11:27 |
| ghostcube | is there any place to sell an n900 | 11:31 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 11:31 |
| ghostcube | or anybody wanting one? | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | donate it to someone | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:31 |
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| psycho_oreos | donate it to me ;) | 11:33 |
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| jacekowski | ghostcube: use ipp | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | ghostcube: just add network printer from other cups server | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | ghostcube: how much do you want for it? | 11:34 |
| ghostcube | i dont have other cups servers | 11:34 |
| jacekowski | so how do you want to print? | 11:35 |
| jacekowski | you need connect to printer somehow | 11:35 |
| ghostcube | with cups server on n900 | 11:35 |
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| ghostcube | like i do at home too | 11:35 |
| jacekowski | and well, n900 doesn't have parallel port | 11:35 |
| jacekowski | to connect to printer | 11:35 |
| ghostcube | why should it, it should attache an wlan printer to my printers | 11:35 |
| ghostcube | like i do at home | 11:35 |
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| X-Fade | MeeGo Open Source Advocate job: http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobdetail.ftl | 12:00 |
| Kaadlajk | "no longer available" that was quick | 12:02 |
| frals | X-Fade: anything you can do about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11031 ? | 12:02 |
| povbot | Bug 11031: python-all depending on specific python version breaks updating python modules | 12:02 |
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| X-Fade | Kaadlajk: Hmm POST form, great ;) http://nokia.taleo.net/careersection/10120/jobsearch.ftl?lang=en&radiusType=K&radius=1&organization=2746770113868&searchcriteria.state=false | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: isn't that quim's title? | 12:05 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well I guess they need one in .fi too ;) | 12:05 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ah, european open source advocate | 12:06 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, change of territory. | 12:06 |
| lbt_ | doppleganger | 12:07 |
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| defragger | is mer useful for n900? | 12:32 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 12:32 |
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| defragger | kk thx :) | 12:32 |
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| B45h_V| | got some problems with my n900. something is generating a lot of network traffic and using a lot of battery. conky liss e-addressbook-f to be the process using most cpu (about 5 % at 500mhz). if i kill it it will immediately restart. restarting the device didn` help. can U help me? | 12:46 |
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| Wolfie | check your network traffic with nettop? | 12:47 |
| Wolfie | 5% "idle" CPU usage doesn't strike me as particularly odd on the phone | 12:48 |
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| Wolfie | to my personal experiences, that is | 12:48 |
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| B45h_V| | battery was down about 5 times as fast as usual today | 12:49 |
| B45h_V| | where can i get nettop | 12:50 |
| Wolfie | wireless data is (to my knowledge) what drains the battery most | 12:50 |
| B45h_V| | wifi is switcued off. just mobile network is up | 12:51 |
| Wolfie | do you have a data connection on? | 12:51 |
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| Wolfie | ntop is the application's name, iirc | 12:51 |
| B45h_V| | how 2 find out? | 12:51 |
| Wolfie | you have the icon in the status bar | 12:52 |
| Wolfie | right side of the battery icon | 12:52 |
| knightstalker | (GPRS/EDGE/3G),B4h_V|,you are using any of them atm? | 12:52 |
| B45h_V| | yeah, there is one | 12:53 |
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| B45h_V| | can´t find ntop :( | 12:56 |
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| Wolfie | netstat is preinstalled, which can show some info | 13:03 |
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| stef_204 | hi, is it me or has the url for the usual maemo repository changed? I can't seem to be able to contact it | 13:07 |
| BCMM | could just be a network problem, either with you or with the server | 13:08 |
| stef_204 | BCMM: yes. I am in a different country, "roaming" and there seems ot be DNS problems with the connections | 13:08 |
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| stef_204 | I'll check on it when I'm back--couple of days from now | 13:09 |
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| BCMM | once, after using a wlan that hijacked DNS requests to a page telling you how to get a username and password for its services, i found that the hijacked DNS requests seemed to have been cached, and i ended up there when using normal networks | 13:10 |
| BCMM | presumably, there is a way to flush said cache | 13:10 |
| BCMM | (i have no idea if/how maemo caches DNS requests, but from that experience, i assume it must) | 13:10 |
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| zap | Anybody knows if Maemo Control Panel applets may be written in Python? | 13:13 |
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| stef_204 | BCMM: you're probably right | 13:14 |
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| frals | zap: afaik its possible with some workarounds, i *think* alterego has done it | 13:17 |
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| BCMM | stef_204: if you work out how to flush the DNS cache, let me know... | 13:17 |
| zap | Do you know any details? | 13:17 |
| stef_204 | BCMM: will do, googling for it now.... | 13:18 |
| zap | I basically just need to run some external app when a control panel applet is started | 13:18 |
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| zap | "No, unfortunately we don't have created bindings for Control Panel, Status Bar and Home Applets stuff. We have plans to make it until June". Sun, 28 Jan 2007 | 13:26 |
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| stef_204 | BCMM: <https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7665> | 13:28 |
| povbot | Bug 7665: cannot update official Nokia repos through wi-fi/wlan connection (akamai.com issue) | 13:28 |
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| stef_204 | not the answer you're looking for but the bug is exactly what I am encountering | 13:28 |
| stef_204 | to clear the DNS cache, it is probably sufficient to stop and restard nscd daemon | 13:29 |
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| kerio | what's wrong with just using the proper DNSes? | 13:33 |
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| alterego | So an ubuntu 10.04 desktop install, with the Nokia Qt SDK and scratchbox with the Fremantle SDK is just under 10G | 13:34 |
| alterego | Not bad | 13:34 |
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| CasTTeLLo | .... | 13:37 |
| CasTTeLLo | hello | 13:38 |
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| CasTTeLLo | woke up | 13:39 |
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| timeless | Hey Abbaaaooott! | 13:42 |
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| timeless | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c9mlOrDhc4 | 13:43 |
| tobis87 | Hi! I just tried to use the Maemo SDK inside VirtualBox, because I get this strange CPU-transparency bug on a native x86_64 machine and the vm just crashes after installing the VBoxGuestAddititons (by hand). The scripts which are located on the Desktop of the vm also can't find commands. This has to be a bad joke, why did nokia just not supplied a cross-compiler with source? | 13:44 |
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| tobis87 | Since my glibc is so old, I would have to compile the cross-compiler anyway, but the cross-compiler which I have found around the net are all newer than the gcc which is in the sdk and with witch the kernel was build. So until now, my only way to compile stuff was to compile it on the device. But since I want aria2, bsdgames and other stuff in the future to be compiled, it would't be that great to install all of these dev packages on the n | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: they did | 13:48 |
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| alterego | tobis87: they did | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: tobis87 it's all in scratchbox | 13:48 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: if you want i can give you access to my server with scratchbox installed | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | and everything working perfectly | 13:49 |
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| jacekowski | on x86_64 | 13:49 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: why are you using old glibc? | 13:50 |
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| alterego | I'm not sure how you can blame Nokia for virtual box guest addition problems. | 13:51 |
| alterego | I did exactly the same as you and it worked fine though | 13:51 |
| alterego | What did you use for the OS? | 13:51 |
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| jacekowski | alterego: i think that's way to go now | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | alterego: blame nokia for everything | 13:51 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | let's all blame nokia for global warming | 13:51 |
| jacekowski | and world hunger | 13:52 |
| jacekowski | and niggers | 13:52 |
| sx0n | naggers? | 13:52 |
| BCMM | if it weren't for the Conspiracy, my battery would never run out. | 13:52 |
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| alterego | Yeah, damn Nokia for causing global hunger, and, erm, causing the econmic crisis. | 13:52 |
| alterego | My external YUSB drive maemo development install is working nicely .. | 13:54 |
| alterego | just under 10G though :D | 13:54 |
| jacekowski | i have my everything on my server | 13:54 |
| jacekowski | in france | 13:54 |
| jacekowski | and it's there working all the time | 13:54 |
| jacekowski | and i can access it from everywhere | 13:54 |
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| sx0n | i developing on vbox without problems, occasional crashes time to time but still.. | 13:55 |
| jacekowski | vbox is slow | 13:55 |
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| mece | smoking hot new version of fhereoes2 coming to extras. It's the latest from upstream svn. Not sure if it actually works though. | 13:55 |
| mece | it did start | 13:55 |
| sx0n | my pc is slow | 13:55 |
| jacekowski | well partialy because my host was slowish | 13:55 |
| alterego | jacekowski: if I had a server I would do the same :) | 13:55 |
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| mece | who has problems with vbox? | 13:55 |
| sx0n | pacakge compiling takes ~30 minutes. at home it is something like 4 minutes. | 13:55 |
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| sx0n | *package | 13:56 |
| mece | i run vbox on my work winxp and full linux mint in that, and I mount that linux mint from my n900 over 3g. and it's sweet. | 13:56 |
| mece | err yeah in that linux mint I run scratchbox, naturally, and in that scratchbox I run UAE | 13:56 |
| alterego | That's sstrange, my compositor just crashed | 13:56 |
| mece | so I have a virtual os in a virtual os in a virtual os. | 13:57 |
| mece | and it's kinda slow actually. | 13:57 |
| jacekowski | alterego: you can get one from £20/moth | 13:57 |
| sx0n | y'dog | 13:58 |
| alterego | I can't afford that at the m,moment, but it is probably top on my priority for next tech purchase | 13:58 |
| jacekowski | do you want account on mine? | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | i still have loads of cpu left | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | 12:59:22 up 63 days, 22:26, 0 users, load average: 0.02, 0.08, 0.25 | 13:59 |
| jacekowski | and it builds stuff faster than maemo autobuilder | 13:59 |
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| alterego | Neah, I'm fine with what I haver, if I can think of a compelling reason for needing it, I'll let you know though ;) | 14:00 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: thanks, restart fixed it. | 14:10 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: so it's just BME thinking the battery is dry, even though it isn't? | 14:10 |
| tobis87 | alterego: I don't blame nokia on the VBoxGuestAddititons problem, it is just strange for me to run a i386 vm in which qemu virtualises a arm cpu. Wouldn't be possible to have an image for which qemu could directy emulate the arm cpu? I have compiled mingw32 and mingw64 cross compiler, but I think compiling the cross-compiler for arm will be harder since you need the kernel header and the glibc as well and packaging will also cause troubles | 14:11 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: it happened to me only once and i never had chance to investigate why did that happen | 14:11 |
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| alterego | tobis87: you don't have to use the emulator and if all you want is a cross toolchain then maybe madde would be better for you | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: no because it's little bit more than that | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: qemu only emulates stuff that can't be run as native binary | 14:12 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: and that image isn't official stuff from nokia | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: stuff that's official from nokia is a scratchbox | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: and that vm is just that | 14:13 |
| jacekowski | tobis87: ubuntu vm with scratchbox installed | 14:13 |
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| mece | craaap | 14:14 |
| mece | the version was apparently lower than the previous :/ | 14:14 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: I didn't meen qemu to run the binaries native. Could Qemu not run the Maemo (arm) from an image? | 14:17 |
| jacekowski | it could | 14:17 |
| jacekowski | do you know how slow it would be? | 14:17 |
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| jacekowski | unless you have one of the latest cpu's it would be slower than n900 | 14:18 |
| tobis87 | jacekowski: Slower than running qemu as an emulator inside a vm? | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | yes | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | qemu is only emulating part of binaries | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | compiler is still native | 14:18 |
| jacekowski | but you can download qemu images | 14:19 |
| jacekowski | and run them | 14:19 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: How much is the overhead of a vm? Several years ago, it was terrible slow. Did this vanderpool technologie improve the speed, I read they run now run the code of the vm on ring 1. | 14:22 |
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| jacekowski | i think you live in stone age | 14:24 |
| jacekowski | vm's were fast from day one | 14:24 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:24 |
| jacekowski | slowest thing in vm isn't running the code | 14:24 |
| jacekowski | it's hardware emulation that has to be done | 14:24 |
| alterego | Yeah, hardware emulation | 14:24 |
| alterego | Which still needs to be done with virtual box and a load of others. | 14:25 |
| jacekowski | and pacifica or vanderpool have not improved anything in that matter | 14:25 |
| jacekowski | paravirtualisation improved stuff a bit | 14:25 |
| jacekowski | but hardware emulation isn't that slow | 14:25 |
| jacekowski | and it's not required that often | 14:25 |
| alterego | QObject::connect(ui->textEdit, SIGNAL(textChanged(QString)), | 14:26 |
| alterego | this, SIGNAL(textChanged(QString))); | 14:26 |
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| alterego | Whoops | 14:26 |
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| jacekowski | and well, worst case scenario impact of running in vm is under 10% | 14:28 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: I know that I'm living in the stone age, at least my pc is. Compiling the dependencies needs more time than compiling the original program. But everything works, and upgrading the glibc would cause more trouble than taking the extra time. | 14:33 |
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| alterego | tobis87: seriously, look into madde, it's basically just the toolchain and the libs | 14:35 |
| alterego | Runs without scratchbox, it comes as part of Nokia Qt SDK or you can install it seperately. | 14:35 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: Thank you for explaining the problem of using a native arm image, now using VirtualBox seems less bad to me. I was just fad up with the options. Updating the sytem for scratchbox, Building a arm cross-compiler or fiddeling inside a vm which also is not fun if its resolution is like 800x600. | 14:38 |
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| jacekowski | well, i don't use that vm like that | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | i was using it over ssh | 14:39 |
| jacekowski | so vm was running in the background | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | and i was using ssh to get to it | 14:40 |
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| tobis87 | alterego: I will go with the vm image, also if its not much fun. Installing Qt SDK which I don't use anyway would be just a waste of space. | 14:41 |
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| tobis87 | jacekowski: do you mean the server image? | 14:41 |
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| alterego | tobis87: if you listened to what I said, you just need to install madde, it's a cross compiler tool chain for maemo .. | 14:41 |
| alterego | You don't need to install the Nokia Qt SDK as well, I just said that madde was installed with it. You can get it seperately. | 14:41 |
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| tobis87 | alterego: I will look into it, thanks. | 14:45 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | wassuup | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 14:53 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Python situation better now? | 14:53 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Hopefully - thanks for the promote, haven't had a chance to test | 14:54 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Someone here who could help me with shell script & perl? | 14:55 |
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| mece | D-Iivil_Work: whacha need? | 14:57 |
| mece | (dunno if I can help, but I can try) | 14:58 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, well.. I have this need: I have a file that contains lines like this: sometexthere= someothertext 10" | 14:58 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | mece, I want to search that file for all lines that ends with 10" (number can varie) and then take that number, add 1 to the number and then replace the number with the result of calculation. | 14:59 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, so in my example it would become like: sometexthere= someothertext 11" | 14:59 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Dunno if this can be with basic shell scripting at all. | 14:59 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: perhaps easiert to do it in python? | 15:00 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: that's actually quite easy to do | 15:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | mece, it would need to be shell script. | 15:00 |
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| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: why need to be a shell script? | 15:00 |
| mece | crashanddie, go ahead :) | 15:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, please share! I've been googling whole morning... | 15:00 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, since the script does some other stuff also and don't want to re-write it. | 15:01 |
| mece | D-Iivil_Work: you can run a python thing within a shellscript | 15:01 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: can you post the beginning and some examples? I didn't see the earlier conversation | 15:01 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, hold on. | 15:01 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, here's an example: http://www.pastie.org/1074918 | 15:02 |
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| mgedmin | D-Iivil_Work, vim solution: vim +'g/^sometexthere= someothertext \d\+"$/exe "norm $h\<C-A>"' /tmp/t.txt | 15:03 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, I want to search through the file and change those xx" values into larger or smaller ones. Depending the argument given to the script. | 15:03 |
| mgedmin | not as nice as I hoped | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: ok, hang on | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: python or shell? | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: it really doesn't matter, just your preference | 15:03 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, as long as it runs on the device (N900) and can be launched from QT app. | 15:03 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, shell in that case. | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | ok, gimme some time | 15:03 |
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| crashanddie | what output do you want? | 15:04 |
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| crashanddie | the same as the file that was provided, but with the values changed? | 15:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, yes! | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | k | 15:04 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, it should just change the values and then save the file | 15:05 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, just like doing a basic search & replace function, but with simple math calculation | 15:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | wifi chip is standalone | 15:32 |
| ghostcube | faster app manager gets better :) | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | bluetooth shares with FM | 15:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | i hate fapman cause it refreshes the list | 15:32 |
| tobis87 | technomike: http://natisbad.org/N900/n900-commented-hardware-specs.html | 15:33 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, I have to leave the IRC in 15 mins, so in case I'm not here when you have some guidance for me, could you please PM me so that I'll find your message in the morning :) Thx! | 15:34 |
| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: will do | 15:34 |
| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, super. | 15:34 |
| E0x | D-Iivil_Work: not go , this ppl is getting sad | 15:34 |
| technomike | Just got my bluetooth a2dp stereo earphones going with my N900, and when I use the wifi, and start downloading or something, the audio starts breaking up | 15:35 |
| E0x | :P | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Wifi#Hardware | 15:35 |
| technomike | thats why I ask | 15:35 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | E0x, ? | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | downloading how? | 15:35 |
| E0x | hehe , nevermind | 15:35 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | E0x, didn't understand at all :D | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Audio can breakup in some circumstances. | 15:35 |
| E0x | technomike: that happen me too | 15:35 |
| SpeedEvil | on speakers and headset too | 15:36 |
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| technomike | Ture | 15:36 |
| technomike | true | 15:36 |
| E0x | technomike: but what i check is when some wifi/connection/whatever is process the cpu get to top | 15:36 |
| technomike | CPU activity isn't high either though or anythging | 15:36 |
| E0x | and that cause bluetooth get chop | 15:36 |
| E0x | hmm | 15:36 |
| E0x | here is high | 15:36 |
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| technomike | Oh yeah CPU is high now | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Do non-bluetooth phones or speaker chip? | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | chop | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it, bluetooth should use as much and no more CPU as headphones | 15:37 |
| E0x | SpeedEvil: with wired headphone | 15:37 |
| E0x | don't happen | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Happens with me. - installing apps forex. | 15:37 |
| E0x | headphone/headset | 15:37 |
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| E0x | hmm | 15:38 |
| E0x | true , when you are install something it happen | 15:38 |
| E0x | ( with wired one ) | 15:38 |
| E0x | so my theory is wrong :( | 15:38 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG51: is there any chance there will be an working cups server or an print application? | 15:39 |
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| MohammadAG51 | hmm, why are you asking me? | 15:39 |
| E0x | i saw somebugs relate to FM tunner | 15:39 |
| E0x | and wifi | 15:39 |
| E0x | maybe is related | 15:39 |
| ghostcube | MohammadAG51: you mostly knew the apps :) | 15:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | heh | 15:40 |
| technomike | I just started the app manager to download some apps, and now its started chopping up again | 15:40 |
| technomike | but that is understandable | 15:40 |
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| technomike | and CPU is high | 15:40 |
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| E0x | technomike: i think even if the cpu is high that not should be happen with bluetooth or wired headset | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190 | 15:41 |
| povbot | Bug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | See that | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | It's fixed. | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: I can confirm it is fixed. | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Of course, it's fixed in an internal unreleased version. | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Grr. | 15:41 |
| technomike | Yeah that happens to me too ^ The bug description | 15:41 |
| technomike | oh damn :( | 15:41 |
| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: Can't get it to skip sound even with browsers opening and AM hammering at the same time. | 15:41 |
| D-Iivil_Work | Why they can't release upgrades in smaller pieces instead of full PR1XXX packages... | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | (I don't know if the requisite changes in pulseaudio have been pushed upstream, if they have, in principle you may be able to upgrade pulseaudio) | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Great! | 15:42 |
| technomike | Agreed D-Iivil_Work | 15:42 |
| mece | why can't I ever get those gaddamn ssh keys to work as they should?!?!? | 15:42 |
| * SpeedEvil steals X-Fade's pulseaudio. | 15:42 | |
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| technomike | Not sure if its a known thing, but are there any expected release dates on the next upgrade | 15:42 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Isn't that the way how "normal" unix distributions works? They release fixes in smaller packages? | 15:43 |
| mece | X-Fade, is the fixed version available somewhere? | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: Can you comment on if it's a configuration of pulseaudio issue, or if there have been patches. | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | technomike: No, it is never announced. | 15:43 |
| technomike | Ok | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: no | 15:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | meveSee the above last comment on the bug | 15:43 |
| mece | SpeedEvil: whythefraknot?! | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | mece | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: Because nokia is awesome, and this way is better. | 15:43 |
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| technomike | haha | 15:43 |
| X-Fade | SpeedEvil: I have no idea, I just noticed that it was fixed because it always annoyed me. | 15:43 |
| E0x | suprise !! they say | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 15:43 |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: check your other windows ;) | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, i gather the packages interface "facebook" search not finding "fb-migrator - Facebook migrator" got sidetracked? :p | 15:45 |
| * frals sidetracks lcuk to MohammadAG51 | 15:45 | |
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| * lcuk sidetrouts | 15:46 | |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Check first before accusing me of being lazy :) | 15:46 |
| misc-- | hi all... I was wondering if anyone has issues when connecting automatically to wifi or 3g. For example, I've set my device to connect to any connection and then connect to wireless when available. However... | 15:46 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders if there is a 'when will PR1.3 be announced' thread | 15:46 | |
| frals | btw, anyone got a pointer to where i can find the metrics on how the "Popular" downloads are generated? | 15:46 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=facebook | 15:46 |
| lcuk | i did :P | 15:46 |
| mece | SpeedEvil: no chance to get a patch? so those who feel like it can fix that stuff? | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: No. | 15:46 |
| frals | 0.5 million downloads later and fmms finally showed up there :D | 15:46 |
| mece | SpeedEvil: meh. | 15:46 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: used the one on top? | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: internal fixed nokia versions are never released other than in PR* releases | 15:46 |
| SpeedEvil | AIUI. | 15:47 |
| mece | SpeedEvil: so they don't contribute to upstream at all? | 15:47 |
| lcuk | and i never considered you lazy X-Fade ! | 15:47 |
| * frals considers lcuk lazy | 15:47 | |
| SpeedEvil | mece: I think they only push them upstream after PR releases - I'm unsure though. | 15:47 |
| SpeedEvil | mece: See above comment. | 15:47 |
| misc-- | right now, my device is not connected to my wireless (wireless icon not shown). However in a terminal, if I type 'iwconfig', it shows it's connected to my wireless, however I have no dhcp address. The key though I think is that if I type in iwlist wlan0 scan, I get: Interface doesn't support scanning : network is down. Any ideas? | 15:47 |
| mece | ok.. | 15:47 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, not correct. | 15:48 |
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| lcuk | o_O X-Fade thats a different box! | 15:48 |
| misc-- | (oops I meant I have no ip address. Anyway...) | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: completely correct. | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=facebook&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same | 15:48 |
| GAN900 | Well, it may be component dependent. | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: it's what I think. | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 15:48 |
| GAN900 | But generally Nokia does its coding upstream. | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | K | 15:48 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Need to copy the code to the search box in the content part still it seems ;) | 15:48 |
| SwedeMike | do we know if there's going to be a PR1.3 or PR2.0 or whatever for N900 ? | 15:48 |
| SpeedEvil | In that case, one would expect to find the pulseaudio fix in the publically acvailable repository. I diddn't. | 15:48 |
| mece | ahemm.. anyone here have Free Heroes 2 installed? | 15:48 |
| lcuk | heh X-Fade thanks - barisione will be happy to see fb-migrator listed there! | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I only looked through it for about half an hour though. | 15:49 |
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| E0x | how i can selected text in terminal ? | 15:49 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: select the pointer on the screen | 15:49 |
| frals | X-Fade: code duplication is baaaaad! ;-) | 15:49 |
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| mece | E0x: click and drag. if there is an arrow down there, then click that first. | 15:49 |
| technomike | No offence and I am sure we all feel the same, but the way Nokia update their devices needs to be improved and more often, with smaller more often updates, rather than just big RX packages. | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | frals: It is more that I need to add it to the style. | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: then drag | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | E0x: then titlebar -> copy | 15:50 |
| technomike | Just to get bugs fixed faster I mean | 15:50 |
| X-Fade | frals: 2 lines of html ;) | 15:50 |
| E0x | mece: SpeedEvil: great ! | 15:50 |
| E0x | thx | 15:50 |
| E0x | the arrow thing was the key | 15:50 |
| E0x | :D | 15:50 |
| mece | E0x: you're quite welcome. | 15:50 |
| mece | E0x: the arrow only appear after there is scrolling possiblt. | 15:50 |
| technomike | Also, I am upset to see USBHOST support on the new Nokia N8, but no USBHOST on the N900 | 15:51 |
| technomike | Oh well | 15:51 |
| frals | X-Fade: thats what they all say... or something ;D | 15:51 |
| misc-- | hmm if I type 'ifconfig wlan0 up', then at least now the 'iwlist wlan0 scan' works | 15:51 |
| X-Fade | frals: sssh. | 15:51 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, gotta go now. Get back to you later :) | 15:52 |
| mece | heard that from the nok factory that they are testing building the new meego phone protos due somewhere around december-january btw. | 15:52 |
| frals | mece: is it true that everyone in finland has a relative working at nokia btw? | 15:52 |
| frals | because ive got that impression :P | 15:52 |
| mece | frals: yes, it's true. | 15:53 |
| mece | frals, I have 3. | 15:53 |
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| frals | mece: i knew it! ;-) | 15:55 |
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| misc-- | in the internet connections setup, there is a 'search interval' - does anybody know what command gets ran at that interval? (the one that does the search/connecting I guess) | 15:56 |
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| mgedmin | I doubt it's a separate command, misc-- | 15:57 |
| misc-- | mgedmin: ah right ok | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | I'm guessing icd brings the interface up, issues a scan, and waits for the results | 15:58 |
| mgedmin | icd2 | 15:58 |
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| misc-- | right ok then, will investigate | 15:58 |
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| * SpeedEvil stabs icd. | 15:59 | |
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| mece | then things got stabby | 15:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | ICD is such a mess from a hacking POV. | 15:59 |
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| frals | SpeedEvil: agreed | 16:03 |
| misc-- | hmm where is the icd2 log I wonder :/ | 16:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | Log? Why would users want logs? | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Or any debug information at all. | 16:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Or any way to configure it out of the defaults provided by the nice GUI. | 16:04 |
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| harbaum | Is there a place selling n900 parts? I need the display part without the display itself (the shell with the touchscreen and the part withthe film cable) | 16:05 |
| misc-- | well I think there is a bug in it. I've been in wifi range for about an hour, but it didn't connect | 16:05 |
| misc-- | I killed icd2 and started it again and all of a sudden, it's connected to wifi | 16:05 |
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| SpeedEvil | harbaum: Most of them only sell to nokia authorised repair centres. | 16:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=n900%20replacement%20LCD&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | like that? | 16:07 |
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| harbaum | These are the screens. I need the screen compartment without the screen (or with screen, i don't care) | 16:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | ah | 16:08 |
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| mece | I get a "update file corrupted" from HAM when I try to update fheroes2. WTF? Clicking on the deb in the browser works fine. | 16:10 |
| mece | gonna try a reboot. Never encountered that one before. | 16:10 |
| lardman | knackered packages list? | 16:10 |
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| LuciusMare | Hello, what todo app do you use? | 16:11 |
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| kerio | i got nothing to do | 16:11 |
| mece | LuciusMare: I use qlister. It's not a todo app though :) | 16:12 |
| lardman | I'm still looking for a heirachical todo | 16:12 |
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| mece | lardman I don't even know what that means. | 16:12 |
| lardman | things depend on other things | 16:12 |
| mece | heh you can get a htc hero for 40€ | 16:12 |
| lardman | not just prioritised | 16:12 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - first you have to catch a tribble, before you storm nokia HQ. | 16:13 |
| mece | lardman, Ic | 16:13 |
| kerio | lardman: how do you solve circular dependencies? | 16:13 |
| LuciusMare | kerio: dpkg --force | 16:14 |
| kerio | lol | 16:14 |
| lardman | kerio: no clue | 16:14 |
| kerio | and what if something you want to do requires a shitton of other things? | 16:14 |
| kerio | like the whole of kde just to buy some peanut butter | 16:14 |
| LuciusMare | I am using kanban, but it is not quite perfect, for example, You can't edit the tasks after you add them | 16:15 |
| lardman | well that would be valid then | 16:15 |
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| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: http://slexy.org/view/s2am4mF3vo | 16:16 |
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| mece | X-Fade, ping? | 16:18 |
| X-Fade | mece: pong | 16:18 |
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| mece | X-Fade: I have a size mismatch on a package file, can you check it out? | 16:19 |
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| X-Fade | mece: Try again in a few minutes, that is probably a mirror issue. | 16:19 |
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| mece | X-Fade: I uploaded it twice by mistake. could that be the problem? | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | Ah yes. | 16:19 |
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| X-Fade | Now I see it. | 16:19 |
| X-Fade | That is not supposed to happen ;) | 16:20 |
| mece | hee | 16:20 |
| mece | X-Fade: There was a long delay until it started building, and I thought I forgot to click "move to autobuilder" so I uploaded again | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | That is not an easy fix. | 16:20 |
| LuciusMare | I used to have this gnome app, it even synced with rememberthemilk, it might be worthful to port it | 16:20 |
| mece | X-Fade: I can upload a new version to replace it. | 16:20 |
| mece | X-Fade: would that help | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: thanks :-) cloaks much appreciated | 16:21 |
| X-Fade | mece: Yeah, that would be the easiest solution | 16:21 |
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| mece | X-Fade: ok, doing it now. | 16:21 |
| mece | X-Fade: got a typo in the description anyway | 16:21 |
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| GAN900 | eBay seems to be no longer working in MicroB. . . . | 16:22 |
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| GAN900 | Useless thing | 16:24 |
| X-Fade | GAN900: What doesn't work? | 16:25 |
| mece | GAN900: what exactly doesnt work? | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | First it doesn't show any items | 16:25 |
| GAN900 | Now none of the links work | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | Works for me? | 16:26 |
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| mece | ditto | 16:26 |
| mece | ok I | 16:26 |
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| mece | I'm out. the updated package is in the queue X-Fade. | 16:27 |
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| GAN900 | Missed the auction. Love this thing so much. | 16:27 |
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| X-Fade | GAN900: Works fine for me, even with flash disabled. | 16:29 |
| RST38h | Moo all | 16:29 |
| GAN900 | Well, glad to hear it. | 16:29 |
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| th3hate | someone see my dpkg log: http://pastebin.com/sDA56xyb | 16:32 |
| th3hate | and tell me whats wrong | 16:32 |
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| BCMM | th3hate: i'm a debian newbie, but that looks like a package collision | 16:38 |
| toggles_w | yes, looks like it | 16:39 |
| tobis87 | th3hate: "trying to overwrite `/debian-binary', which is also in package mafw-gst-subtitles-applet" , you could force it with --force-overwrite | 16:39 |
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| th3hate | why would a theme conflict with mafw subtitles? | 16:41 |
| kerio | welcome to maemo! | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | congrats kerio for the most useless comment today. | 16:42 |
| kerio | thanks | 16:42 |
| kerio | was working on it | 16:42 |
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| tobis87 | th3hate: It does not conflict, the theme deb contains a file which mafw-gst-subtitles-applet also includes. Maybe it is the same, I would extract the deb and look if there is a difference | 16:42 |
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| kerio | ooh i want a Game Gripper for n900 | 16:44 |
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| th3hate | if nokia allowed you to ask only one question about n900, and they will answer it | 16:50 |
| th3hate | what would it be? | 16:50 |
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| BCMM | my cycle computer is broken. is there a maemo application that will use GPS to tell me how far I have travelled and at what average speed? | 16:51 |
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| achipa | (theatrical) WHYYYYyyyy.... | 16:52 |
| toggles_w | BCMM: I believe jspeed has a cycle theme | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | BCMM: eCoach? | 16:52 |
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| frals | BCMM: ecoach, its pretty awesome | 16:54 |
| frals | hmm, does it rain in helsinki atm? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | go outside | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:55 |
| technomike | wasn't there a project for USBHOST support on N900 | 16:56 |
| technomike | ? | 16:56 |
| frals | bah, cant be bothered, its pretty gray so i assume it might be raining | 16:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | technomike: yes | 16:59 |
| SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59554 | 16:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 16:59 |
| MohammadAG | technomike, s/wasn't/isn't/ | 16:59 |
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| GAN900 | achipa, Why haven't you killed management yet? You mean? | 17:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | technomike: the project itself is h-e-n | 17:03 |
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| achipa | GAN900: the advantage of the question is that it is universal and ackowledges that any response is superficial as it could not address any concerns | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: apropos, yesterday or day before I seen some gui with one giant size button | 17:04 |
| GAN900 | achipa, way to blow your one question. :P | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, giant is a understatement | 17:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but seriously, I'm having problems reproducing this shit | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, was whole screen. Now I seemto recall *one* giant button wasn't the problem :-P | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | for one, I can't spawn a shell in ssh | 17:05 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: What was that button for, "Overclock now"? | 17:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: are we talking same topic? There were problems with h-e-n gui about certain max size of buttons | 17:06 |
| MohammadAG | tobis87, I can adjust it to say "kick tobis87 now", close the damn subject | 17:07 |
| mirf | tobis87: it's beecon somethingorother | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: for sure not OC, but some similar thing. Otherwise I would not have forgotton what it actually was | 17:07 |
| MohammadAG | discussing overclocking always results in an argument | 17:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | YES!!! >:-( | 17:08 |
| Corsac | no | 17:08 |
| tobis87 | MohammadAG: I was just making the point, that it is still to easy to oc, even through most people don't know the risk. | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | and in the end somebody gets kicked :-P | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | (usually me :-P) | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: full ack | 17:09 |
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| toggles_w | there is a risk? | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | x_x | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's as safe as smoking | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | tobis87: according to QA guidelines, no app doing potential harm to the device may promote to extras. I really wonder how power kernel (and even the OC GUI?) made it there nevertheless | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, stupid QA team | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | I really hate -testing | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG | or promoting to -testing | 17:10 |
| Kegetys | its not potential harm, its guaranteed harm ;) | 17:11 |
| * frals bahs at another 7 days of quarantine | 17:11 | |
| MohammadAG | see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4/ | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | I cba to upload it again cause someone (or 4) were too stupid to change votes | 17:11 |
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| MohammadAG | let it stay in -devel, I don't give a crap | 17:12 |
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| MohammadAG | make that 5 | 17:12 |
| nid0 | how are they "too stupid"? should they be clever enough to have a crystal ball and know the issue's fixed? | 17:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer stares at the "8" on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ | 17:13 | |
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| MohammadAG | nid0, they should notice a damn comment in their email inbox | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon - just 2 more, pretty please, with shugar on top :-D | 17:13 |
| frals | anyone know of a good program to generate c++ stubs from a header? | 17:13 |
| MohammadAG | or a reason I voted it up after voting it down | 17:13 |
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| nid0 | yeah the comment feature hasnt formed for months (ever), and is why a new mailing list got setup a few days ago to show all package comments. | 17:13 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 17:14 |
| nid0 | so that email in their inboxes doesnt exist | 17:14 |
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| toggles_w | 9 | 17:14 |
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| MohammadAG | nid0, _I_ don't care, they have (TESTER) next to their name so it's their job to check | 17:15 |
| ecksun | is it possible to execute a script on a specific dbus-signal? | 17:15 |
| nid0 | job? | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ecksun: check dbus-scripting pkg | 17:15 |
| ecksun | thank you .) | 17:15 |
| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: I don't understand why the power kernel is that bloated. That many driver which don't make sense, ipv6 without the browser supporting it or fs drivers without hostmode,dmcrypt etc... | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | nid0, whatever | 17:16 |
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| tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: The only additional fs driver I have compiled was jfs for use inside a truecrypt volume. | 17:17 |
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| achipa | frals: I was wondering to suggest that time spent in extras-devel should count towards quarantine time... would that mean something to you ? | 17:18 |
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| frals | achipa: that would actually make sense, good idea imo | 17:19 |
| nid0 | that wouldnt really achieve much, imo the quarantine time should just be drastically reduced to 48 hours | 17:19 |
| achipa | since it's the same package that will be in extras-testing anyway | 17:19 |
| frals | achipa: exactly | 17:19 |
| X-Fade | against ;) | 17:20 |
| MohammadAG | nid0, imo the whole QA is fail | 17:20 |
| achipa | X-Fade: yeah, yeah, we know ;) | 17:20 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: Most developers push to testing instantly anyway. | 17:20 |
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| achipa | nid0, X-Fade: the point is that if you publish an update to a package you don't have to wait ANOTHER 10 days if you can muster the votes | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, is there a way to reset votes on a package? | 17:21 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: Also against. The point of Testing is to get widespread testing to make sure there are no grues; the fact that there's been limited testing in Devel doesn't help there | 17:21 |
| nid0 | hence my thoughts are that the quarantine time should just be much lower. | 17:21 |
| MohammadAG | uploading is slow, I cba to upload 20MBss | 17:21 |
| achipa | e.g. if you realize a minor fix is needed on day 2 of quarantine, you can push to extras-devel and have to wait out just those two days | 17:21 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: consider waiting for 9 days and quicky promoting to testing and getting a mob of 10 votes. | 17:22 |
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| frals | is there any way to get number of downloads from devel/testing/extras separaterd per repo? | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | no | 17:22 |
| achipa | in what way is that different from mob voting on day 10 of a quarantine ? | 17:22 |
| frals | im very interested in seeing how many actually get my package from respective repo | 17:22 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Eh? That doesn't make sense. If you realised a fix was needed on day 2 of quarantine, you'd push and it'd reset to zero; whether it reset in Devel or Testing (with what you say) | 17:22 |
| lcuk | and just for asking, we shall reset yours to 0 :P | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | achipa: well you hide your package in from the queue view that way. | 17:22 |
| nid0 | achipa, the fact that its had 9 days of validly being available to test properly | 17:22 |
| alterego | X-Fade: can't you get that info from the apache logs? | 17:22 |
| achipa | Jaffa: non-crucial fix - a typo, etc | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Because we don't see mob voting? | 17:23 |
| nid0 | in -devel, its not in the testing queue for testers to test | 17:23 |
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| X-Fade | alterego: I have the data, just don't show it. | 17:23 |
| alterego | Takes me about 3 days to get a mob of 10 votes. | 17:23 |
| lcuk | frals, with half a MILLION downloads, you are worrying about breaking it down further :P | 17:23 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Yes, but I obviously misunderstood your suggestion. I thought you were saying that if I had a package in Devel for 4 days, and then promoted it to Testing, it'd only need 6 days quarantine in Testing. | 17:23 |
| alterego | X-Fade: so theoretically you could tell us ;) | 17:23 |
| X-Fade | alterego: And the CDN has hundreds of servers, so no not one apache log ;) | 17:23 |
| alterego | Oh, :/ | 17:23 |
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| nid0 | huh someone's fucked up majorly, play.com's been down for hours :\ | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, theoretically X-Fade could also leak packages :P | 17:24 |
| * MohammadAG runs | 17:24 | |
| alterego | nid0: I could ask my friend what's up, she works there ;) | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Not that I'd be against a 7, or even 5, day quarantine. | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | Updates could be treated differently though. | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | It all comes down to trust. | 17:25 |
| nid0 | alterego: i'd guess they were doing some planned maintenance, ttl on their dns zones got bumped down to 300 secs today | 17:25 |
| X-Fade | Do we trust a certain developer not to mess up updates. | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed; I still think a trust-based "I certify this is just a minor update" checkbox - which perhaps gets voted on by testers as well | 17:25 |
| nid0 | but clearly cocked up somewhere, as it's been down since at least before lunch | 17:25 |
| achipa | that was just an idea, though, lack of votes is far more an issue ATM | 17:25 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Which might halve everything | 17:25 |
| * frals hides behind lcuk and yells 'trust me' | 17:25 | |
| * achipa now knows how body snatchers evolved | 17:26 | |
| * MohammadAG trouts frals | 17:26 | |
| achipa | on an unrelated note, remind me to kick someone in sensitive places if they suggest something should be determined by forum polls... | 17:26 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: All the numbers were just randomly picked. Sure they are up for discussion. | 17:26 |
| nid0 | thing is though, that idea of different types is going to open up more cans of worms for devs and users to whine at testers about. who defines what a minor update is? | 17:26 |
| achipa | (not that such a thing is news) | 17:27 |
| frals | i remember there was a discussion about changing the quarantine days a few months back, whatever happend to that? | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | But I agree with achipa, the number of testers is our biggest problem. | 17:27 |
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| achipa | nid0: consensus | 17:27 |
| Jaffa | nid0: A developer. If it's visible, we have a process for removing the developers ability to push said updates in future | 17:27 |
| nid0 | yeah, like the consensus about all the other qa rules that get bitched and whined about daily? | 17:27 |
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| achipa | nid0: the tough part is actually verifying that a declared minor update really is a minor update | 17:27 |
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| achipa | nid0: that's not consensus, nor can there be - it's a democracy | 17:28 |
| frals | show diffs! ;-) | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | I feel that we can better use our energy to get more testers and make testing more easy. | 17:28 |
| frals | (doesnt work for non-free blobs though...) | 17:28 |
| achipa | kisstester is almost ready | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | A lot of people install from testing, they just don't report back. | 17:28 |
| X-Fade | If we get them to report back then most of the issues go away. | 17:28 |
| achipa | have to hunt down some connectivity issues and away it goes | 17:29 |
| lcuk | binary community packages should have a 1000000000 day quarantine ;) | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | 10 day quarantine is then not such a big deal. Having a package lingering for months is. | 17:29 |
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| achipa | the trouble is twofold - one, it's difficult to vote, two, there is no real motivation, apart from karma (which you can earn faster by bitching on talk or blogging) | 17:29 |
| lcuk | is it the problem of it being there, or the problem of the listing on the page | 17:29 |
| nid0 | 10 days still seems to me to be longer than is wholly neccesary, reducing it would help particularly with the minor-update issue | 17:29 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Yeah, I think that that app will help. | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Any time someone suggests it they talk about HAM integration, which is silly. But a "HelpMeTest" app people could install, which looks at packages installed from Testing; checks versions and sees if they're voted should a) be simple, and b) help | 17:30 |
| * mgedmin would love to have an app that said "hey, you've got these packages installed form extras-testing: foo, bar, baz. Do they work all right?" | 17:30 | |
| * Jaffa should get to push a new Hermes to Extras this afternoon as his quarantine expires :-) | 17:30 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, which is what achipa's app does. And there is a script too. | 17:30 |
| frals | HAM *shrugs* | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | mgedmin++ | 17:30 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: achipa's app, no offence, is too heavy and not geared towards this simple reminder use case. | 17:30 |
| achipa | Jaffa: kisstester looks at /var/lib/dpkg/whatever and hunts down stuff you installed from testing so it gives the 'feedback on these apps' | 17:30 |
| achipa | Jaffa: err.. not THAT app | 17:31 |
| frals | got a link to this app? | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: No, different app ;) | 17:31 |
| * Jaffa 's not heard of this | 17:31 | |
| Jaffa | WTF is "kisstester" ;-) | 17:31 |
| achipa | Jaffa: I know it's too heavy, that's why I made a lightweight PyQt purpose-oriented thingie | 17:31 |
| nid0 | a not-quite ready app :p | 17:31 |
| frals | kiss means pee in swedish :/ | 17:31 |
| achipa | Jaffa: exactly ;) | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | frals: Even better :) | 17:31 |
| achipa | frals: perfect ! | 17:31 |
| Jaffa | achipa: Sounds like exactly what mgedmin and I are describing, n'est pas? | 17:32 |
| achipa | yep, though it's still half scraping, half REST, which makes it a bit kooky | 17:32 |
| achipa | but as said, expect it real soon (TM) | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | achipa: As long as it works, we can improve on it later. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | also: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/testingsquad-list/2010-August/000103.html | 17:33 |
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| achipa | oh, it's easy to think of improvements - like throw a notification of 'did you know you can help by providing feedback on these apps ?' | 17:33 |
| achipa | X-Fade: yes, noted, I already stole an idea or two from there (Pythonized, of course) | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, at least the ideas are good. | 17:35 |
| achipa | my only fear is that people will not understand the difference between the testing tumbing and the extras star system | 17:35 |
| achipa | i.e. they will happily vote down because it's not pretty enough and sorts | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Come up with a nice text and I'll add it to the interface. | 17:35 |
| achipa | frals: btw kiss means small in hungarian, while we are language-geeking | 17:36 |
| nid0 | I dont think any text for it is going to stop people thumbing because they like/dont like it if it's particularly easy to thumb | 17:36 |
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| nid0 | is the app likely to support commenting, and if so can it force a comment if an app's downvoted? | 17:37 |
| achipa | nid0: my current approact is that you have to check a few checkboxes and that unlocks the tumb | 17:37 |
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| achipa | it's still fairly easy (i.e. no login or typing involved) | 17:37 |
| achipa | but makes it hard to just thumb-through without noticing what you're asked of | 17:37 |
| achipa | we'll see if it works out | 17:38 |
| achipa | s/tumb/thumb/ | 17:38 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: did you by any change talk to bergie about exposing the vote stuff via REST ? | 17:39 |
| achipa | s/change/chance/ | 17:39 |
| infobot | achipa meant: X-Fade: did you by any chance talk to bergie about exposing the vote stuff via REST ? | 17:39 |
| achipa | wtf is wrong with this kbd... | 17:39 |
| X-Fade | achipa: He just went away on holiday, but I'll ask around in his company. | 17:39 |
| achipa | X-Fade: okay... I mean, it works via scraping, but (obviously) I'd much prefer REST... | 17:40 |
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| GAN900 | Packages is slooooow | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | (thumbing) there's a nice wikipage about QA - link could not hurt when thumbing | 17:42 |
| GAN900 | How is it every time we get a server "upgrade" it's back to its old speed in 3 weeks? | 17:42 |
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| * GAN900 bets X-Fade is just restarting the N900s. . . . | 17:43 | |
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| Jaffa | achipa: Release early, release often. | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (thumbing) also maybe supertesters should be able to revert 'normal' votes of 'noobs' | 17:44 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: I'd happily help with notifications and UI and stuff as a chance to play with more Qt and scratch an itch. | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | achipa: I imagine mgedmin's similar. | 17:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (thumbing) making comment in addition to thumb vote mandatory also would be a good idea | 17:44 |
| Jaffa | achipa: I keep feeling guilty about not testing enough stuff and a daily/weekly prod via a notification or something | 17:44 |
| mgedmin | +1 for comments | 17:45 |
| achipa | Jaffa: I would, but I was using some PyQt features not currently available in extras, so it's easier to rewrite those than suffer through the whole PyQt update cycle | 17:45 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: it is so | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | I'm not only feeling guilty for not testing stuff | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: ?? | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | I'm also feeling guilty for talking about mandatory testing early on | 17:45 |
| achipa | to unlock either a thumb up, or down, you need to do something | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | achipa, what version control system do you use? | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: you lost me on that one | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: look there: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ | 17:46 |
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| achipa | mgedmin: git | 17:46 |
| mgedmin | is the code available publically? | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: 8 votes, 2 comments. (one of those is even 'anonymous' [by me, accidentally] though it's allegedly not possible) | 17:47 |
| achipa | did not push it to gitorious, that is also on the todo :S | 17:47 |
| achipa | will be a busy night tonight :) | 17:47 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: It was for a short while last week while I implemented the testingsquad-comments list mailer. | 17:47 |
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| achipa | DocScrutinizer: ah, on the interface, that's X-Fade territory, I was thinking you were referring to my baby | 17:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | aah ok | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | achipa, ping me when it's there; I'll try to give it a spin and see if I can contribute any patches | 17:47 |
| mgedmin | e.g. help make it work with pyqt in currently in extras | 17:48 |
| achipa | mgedmin: aye | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | will be a chance for me to learn pyqt ;) | 17:48 |
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| achipa | that's the idea, let's get this crackin' | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: is there any support for the supertester tripple weight on the way? | 17:48 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: ? | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | or maybe even implemented? | 17:49 |
| X-Fade | Supertesters only have influence after 20 days. | 17:49 |
| nid0 | it already applies, but it only becomes a factor after 20 days | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting off when? | 17:50 |
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| nid0 | ? | 17:50 |
| X-Fade | If twice the quarantine passes, supertesters need to agree with at least 3 persons. | 17:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | tester->supertester event = startingpoint for +20? | 17:50 |
| nid0 | no, package promoted to testing | 17:50 |
| nid0 | its just a 20 day quarantine instead of 10 | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm | 17:51 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: 10 additional days to the original (20 in total) | 17:51 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels dizzy | 17:51 | |
| nid0 | after 20 days a package will unlock on the strength of 3 supertester votes, without needing the other 7 | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh | 17:51 |
| achipa | just so supertesters dont monopolize - they're there to jog blocke packages, not to trump other testers | 17:51 |
| X-Fade | So when a package hasn't gotten enough love from the general public in 20 days. | 17:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | i c | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sounds sensible | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | this already in effect and working? | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | And they have to agree too. Or at least have a 3 vote differnce. | 17:52 |
| X-Fade | Yes. | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so one supertester vote is just one vote, aiui | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | You can see this working in the qa list btw. | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ | 17:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 are 2, 3 are plenty | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | The green karma ones. | 17:53 |
| X-Fade | Those are unlocked, but some don't have 10 votes. | 17:54 |
| achipa | is kojacker present here under some alias ? | 17:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'll go for another 2 'normal' votes then | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather than 2 more supertestser votes plus a 10 day penalty | 17:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please, could somebody have a 5min spare time to check and vote http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ ? Thanks | 17:56 |
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| nid0 | ill check that shortly | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 17:56 |
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| * mgedmin would, but /me never ever used those *# codes and doesn't know what good they're for with his 3g-data-only sim card | 17:57 | |
| Jaffa | mgedmin: ditto | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: doesn't matter. You're not supposed to check function of the codes at all - in the end this is nokia's dialer's domain. *#-enabler only does a *config* and that's all that needs to be checked. It has to install and deinstall cleanly, and not bork the system | 17:58 |
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| mgedmin | mc in maemo has no support for browsing .deb files :( | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ugh | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: Jaffa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=762487#post762487 | 18:02 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, silly question, why killall -9 rather than a simple killall rtcom-call-ui? | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | umm, actually MohammadAG came up with this, and it seems it need -9 otherwise doesn't feel like reloading | 18:03 |
| * mgedmin grumbles | 18:04 | |
| MohammadAG | why not -9? | 18:04 |
| MohammadAG | it deserves a kill anyways | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rtcom-dial-ui is really nasty | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | killing with -9 is just impolite with no fair warning beforehands | 18:04 |
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| MohammadAG | you get what you give, rtcom-call-ui is impolite | 18:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and it restarts cleanly, and saves config files immediately, not on process exit | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | I want pstree for maemo | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: coreutils-gnu? | 18:05 |
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| mgedmin | really? on my lappy it's from psmisc | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 18:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer shrugs | 18:06 | |
| mgedmin | of course psmisc conflicts with busybox symlinks and mp-fremantle-generic-pr | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | so I've a choice: pstree or working SSU | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | messybox ps is braindead anyway | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | I guess what I want to find out is if rtcomm-call-ui is run under dsme | 18:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | looks like, from behaviour | 18:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also from logics | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | and wasn't there a nice way to tell dsme to restart something, or am I dreaming? | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | oh who cares, kill -9 as long as it works | 18:08 |
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| tobis87 | http://sial.org/howto/shell/kill-9/ | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | so, what does dpkg/apt/HAM do when a postrm script exits with 5? | 18:09 |
| slonopotamus | mgedmin: initiate self-destruction? | 18:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh the 5 still in? | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | 'return 5' | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | and the "No file! Nothing to uninstall. Quit." message is not very user-friendly | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | on non-0 it seems to throw some error and doesn't count the pkg as installed | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway should never happen | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | ha ha ha | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | install your app, flash eMMC, uninstall your app | 18:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's like the else case, a catchall for impossible situations | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | not that this wasn't asking for trouble (flash eMMC without flashing rootfs?), but still | 18:10 |
| lcuk | you wouldnt get back into UI if you did that anyway | 18:11 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, system would fail before you got a chance to open ham ;) | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: won't interfere, the file it works on is on rootfs | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | I just want to make sure the package won't be uninstallable if someone does an rm .osso/call-ui.ini | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | not on eMMC | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini is in /home, which is on the eMMC device | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh right | 18:12 |
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| mgedmin | I don't know if flashing writes to the whole device or just the /home/user/MyDocs partition | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, coffee still not any effect today :-S | 18:12 |
| achipa | gah.... I can't believe Hardy ships with PyQt 4.3... | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | now I'm doubting myself | 18:12 |
| achipa | anyway, here's the idea: | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: whole device, but then you NEED to flash rootfs after flashing eMMC | 18:12 |
| achipa | (sans maemo style, obviously) | 18:12 |
| achipa | http://imagebin.ca/view/f5t3Zp.html | 18:12 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: package tested | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: yes, stupid scenario, let's forget about it | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | but still, don't make the package uninstallable if I manually remove the config file | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'll check it | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | the return 5 was meant to go away | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | overseen rubbish | 18:14 |
| th3hate | What benefits symbian^3 gain from being open source? | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks for pointing at it | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but hey, that's what testers are meant for :-D | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Status: Promotion unlocked, waiting for maintainter to promote | 18:17 |
| achipa | th3hate: what does any software gain from being open source ? | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | emm, nothing | 18:17 |
| th3hate | Well | 18:17 |
| th3hate | community will be able to contribute to it | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | now if only this idiotic Konqueror would show the button to promote | 18:17 |
| jacekowski | th3hate: people that can support projects in any usefull way don't have time for that | 18:18 |
| jacekowski | th3hate: not a lot at least | 18:18 |
| mgedmin | th3hate, debugging is easier: you can see what the code does | 18:18 |
| th3hate | So symbian being open souce has no benefits for end user | 18:19 |
| th3hate | right? | 18:19 |
| th3hate | only for developers maybe | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for me as an end-user not using symbian at all, it quite obviously has no benefit whatsoever :-P | 18:21 |
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| TomaszD | has anyone thought about patching Nokia's kernel with this http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/8/1/40 :P | 18:23 |
| achipa | th3hate: everything that is benefiting the devs in the end benefits the end-users, too | 18:24 |
| MohammadAG | TomaszD, no, but it might be worth a go | 18:25 |
| TomaszD | mhm | 18:25 |
| th3hate | achipa: what exactly is open source in maemo? | 18:25 |
| th3hate | most drivers contain closed bits | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | ~openness | 18:26 |
| infobot | openness is probably http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html | 18:26 |
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| MohammadAG | that is what's open/closed ^ | 18:26 |
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| th3hate | that's what im looking for thanks | 18:26 |
| MohammadAG | TomaszD, apply patches, see if the N900 boots up, ???, profit | 18:27 |
| achipa | th3hate: drivers are a bit specific, tho, that doesn't really apply to symbian either | 18:28 |
| TomaszD | I'm just throwing it out there, I need a working phone | 18:28 |
| nid0 | DocScrutinizer: wasnt me that found the uninstall flaw | 18:28 |
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| th3hate | what are the percentages near app names? | 18:28 |
| th3hate | browser-mozilla (60%) | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | nid0: oops for undue credit | 18:29 |
| svuorela | win 24 | 18:29 |
| svuorela | fail | 18:29 |
| nid0 | ill allow it! | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: sorry for missing/false credit | 18:29 |
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| mgedmin | what credit? | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | are there $10,000,000 TEN MILLION US DOLLARS about to arrive in my offshore bank account? | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 18:31 |
| MohammadAG | th3hate, read the columns duh | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: pooh, better now? :-D | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: seriously, what are you talking about? | 18:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lol | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | there's some off-channel communication here that I'm missing | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | t.m.o? m.o/p? | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ comments there | 18:38 |
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| E0x | nice Game Gripper ! | 18:40 |
| mgedmin | that page reminds me of http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/css-is-awesome-20090407-142244.jpg | 18:40 |
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| cehteh | anyone with the power kernel noticed that filming doesnt work ? | 18:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: LOL, nice one | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: and yes, looks quite similar | 18:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | btw a special thanks to MohammadAG who also pointed to the nonsense of 'return 5' but I was to puzzled to remove it immediately | 18:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: where are the specs about what HAM is supposed to do on certain return codes? | 18:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | cehteh: power kernel is known to conflict with fcam and blessn900(?) | 18:49 |
| alterego | Yes | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | not surprising as those come with kernel modules | 18:49 |
| tobis87 | WTF? There is even a kill -9 song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 | 18:49 |
| cehteh | yes there was some fix proposed ... prolly not implmeneted yet | 18:49 |
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| cehteh | err.. bless900 works with power kernel | 18:50 |
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| cehteh | problem is that the stock video app doesnt work anymore since yesterdays power-kernel update | 18:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | muhaha | 18:51 |
| cehteh | photos are working | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | have fun sorting it out | 18:51 |
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| cehteh | i just wait .. dont need video | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | (me shudders considering implications for future hostmode kernels) | 18:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | especially since you bet hostmode support in kernel never will go upstream as of Nokia's notion of upstream | 18:52 |
| cehteh | prolly phone doesnt work either with power kernel but no one noticed yet :P | 18:52 |
| cehteh | hehe i dont think there is any upstream .. good bye nokia | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | wouldn't be surprised. Those nerds are too busy drooling over their overclocked duke nukem | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, I think http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html is the only spec for that | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | and it only says "zero if ok, non-zero if baaaad" | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: you're incredible :-) thanks a lot | 18:54 |
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| cehteh | anyone ever tried to overclock the device to 3Ghz while dunked in liquid nitrogen? :) | 18:55 |
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| mgedmin | there are some graphs about how those scripts get called in what order etc: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/MaintainerScripts.html | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | the graphs look kinda scary | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe they tried, but for sure epic fail. Device won't work under such environmental conditions | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | and guaranteed fun with LiIon cell XP | 18:56 |
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| cehteh | mgedmin: eww :) | 18:57 |
| cehteh | DocScrutinizer: you provided the instruction how to operate it without battery :P | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw even if the LCD is a low-temperature spec'ed type, it won't really show anything useful while swimming in liquid N2 | 18:58 |
| achipa | Jaffa: so, are we a go for the letter ? | 18:58 |
| cehteh | so if anyone tries, you provided the groundwork! | 18:58 |
| cehteh | who cares .. we have ssh | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, that *might* actually work | 18:58 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer: it has a lovely cord to the LCD, no? ;-) | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | do NOT slide while frozen! | 18:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | will break like a tulip under the hammer | 19:00 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: I think so, yes. | 19:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway - for a less funy comment - it's highly unlkely any of the mem_et-al interfaces will work correctly on 3GHz timing | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | not tomention flash itself | 19:03 |
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| th3hate | pdf viewer in maemo is 100% open source, does that mean we can improve it? like modify and add stuff to it? | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm not even sure if writing flash works at all on those low temperatures | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | there are quantum tunneling effects involved - those might change drastically on low temp | 19:04 |
| achipa | Jaffa: posted | 19:06 |
| GAN900 | achipa, which one and where? | 19:06 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders idly to which temperature you need to warm up a flash storage chip for it to lose all bit holding electrical charges | 19:06 | |
| achipa | GAN900: the python one, in the council blog | 19:07 |
| GAN900 | achipa, ah, excellent. | 19:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (break like a tulip) same appies to kbd and touchpanel | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | applies | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, I should abandon that rather nonsensical topic | 19:08 |
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| lcuk | since putting your hand into liquid nitrogen to press the keys TS would be inadvisable at best, I think a test exclusing functioning remote access would be more beneficial ;) | 19:10 |
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| crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work: I replied to your TMO PM | 19:15 |
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| RST38h | moo all | 19:36 |
| slonopotamus | smth like that, yep | 19:36 |
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| oKtosiTe | In MicroB, is there a way to see image tooltips/rollover text? If so, how? | 19:38 |
| Corsac | oKtosiTe: just use the mouse cursor | 19:39 |
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| Corsac | oKtosiTe: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures | 19:39 |
| oKtosiTe | Corsac, it just sits there. | 19:39 |
| oKtosiTe | Corsac, I know how to get the cursor, thanks. | 19:40 |
| Corsac | works for me | 19:40 |
| Corsac | well, it worked for me at least, I didn't test recently | 19:40 |
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| Corsac | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7377 :) | 19:41 |
| povbot | Bug 7377: image tooltips are truncated | 19:41 |
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| oKtosiTe | It's particularly annoying while reading online comics, because the tooltip often contains a large part of the joke. | 19:42 |
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| oKtosiTe | ok, that's already in the bug. | 19:44 |
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| mgedmin | ooh, the xkcd bug! | 19:46 |
| * mgedmin goes to vote | 19:46 | |
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| mgedmin | timeless is strongly against essays in tooltips :( | 19:47 |
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| oKtosiTe | I'm not getting any tooltip at all though. | 19:48 |
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| crashanddie | mgedmin: eh? | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie, comment #3 in bug 7377 | 19:49 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7377 image tooltips are truncated | 19:49 |
| crashanddie | oKtosiTe: make cursor appear, and hover iamge | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | hover, shmover | 19:49 |
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| oKtosiTe | crashanddie, that's what I'm doing. | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | drag the finger from off-screen near the bottom towards the right, then, without releasing, drag your finger on top of the image and don't release | 19:50 |
| lcuk | xkcd 775: She's a perfectly nice lady from a beautiful city, and there's no reason to be mean just because she thinks a quarterback is a river in Egypt. | 19:50 |
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| mgedmin | or http://m.xkcd.com | 19:50 |
| lcuk | since this bug entirely revolves around xkcd and it invariably gets mentioned about the current one ;) | 19:51 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, lots come in here direct from n900 | 19:51 |
| lcuk | ;) | 19:51 |
| oKtosiTe | lcuk: thanks, lol | 19:52 |
| oKtosiTe | mgedmin, got it. wow that's counterintuitive | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | yeah, I only got it by trial and error | 19:53 |
| mgedmin | (and frustration) | 19:53 |
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| oKtosiTe | mgedmin, and thanks for the link, that works. | 19:54 |
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| ZR13 | Hi | 19:54 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, ++ at m.xkcd.com as well | 19:55 |
| ZR13 | I am trying to install free heroes 2 on N900. I installend the program. But now i don't know where and how to copy the needed files from CD. | 19:56 |
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| oKtosiTe | lcuk, mgedmin: thanks to you both, that should be all for now, bye. | 19:58 |
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| TomaszD | hey guys, do we have anything similar to this on maemo http://lifehacker.com/5604248/android2cloud-opens-urls-from-your-phone-in-chrome ? | 19:58 |
| hrw|gone | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpyside0.4_0.4.0-1maemo1_armel.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/pkgconfig/pyside.pc', which is also in package libpyside0.3 | 20:00 |
| hrw|gone | known? | 20:00 |
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| Jaffa | TomaszD: Apart from 1) Open X Terminal; 2) do ssh andrew@mybox firefox <paste>? | 20:00 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: I commented on the bug | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | TomaszD, the closest I've come to that is copying and pasting the URL through IM, using telepathy-salut | 20:01 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: and probably going to piss off timeless too :P | 20:01 |
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| TomaszD | ok, so there isn't, thanks | 20:02 |
| ZR13 | anyone alive? | 20:03 |
| crashanddie_ | ZR13: we're all dying, slowly | 20:03 |
| SpeedEvil | not all of us. | 20:04 |
| * SpeedEvil shoots ZR13. | 20:04 | |
| ZR13 | You shoot me you really shot me! | 20:04 |
| * crashanddie_ puts another two bullets in ZR13's head. | 20:05 | |
| crashanddie_ | Just for safe measure | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | test | 20:05 |
| crashanddie | oh, fancy | 20:05 |
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| crashanddie_ | w00t | 20:05 |
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| crashanddie | brb | 20:08 |
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| lmoura | hrw|gone, we forgot to make libpyside0.4 replace libpyside0.3. Sorry | 20:17 |
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| RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTIQH48ynmA <=== outside, right now | 20:18 |
| oKtosiTe | crashanddie, thanks for adding to the "xkcd bug". Didn't have the time right now, but it's nice to see something happened. | 20:19 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, lol, 2 days ago the smoke was visible here :D | 20:22 |
| hrw|gone | lmoura: happens | 20:24 |
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| crashanddie | VDVsx: barbecue? | 20:29 |
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| frals | bet its all part of a great scheme from russia to reconquer finland | 20:31 |
| frals | "lets smoke 'em out!" | 20:31 |
| timeless | the great russian smokeout? | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: it's been you who managed the fixing of linewraps etc on http://maemo.org/packages/view ? Please have a look at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler , same issue once again there | 20:32 |
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| timeless | .. http://www.quitsmoking.com/kopykit/reports/smokeout.htm | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | embedded <foo> not displayed, due to missing escaping to < >, no linewraps, etc | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | compare http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/ layout to http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler layout | 20:34 |
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| jacekowski | hmm, i would abuse that just for sake of abusing it | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | should I reopen the ticket? | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, use the top panel, try to edit the description | 20:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ooh | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: thanks :-) | 20:36 |
| frals | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG51: it wont stick | 20:36 |
| frals | unless it has been changed not to fetch from controlfile every 30min recently | 20:37 |
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| RST38h | Hmmm, qwerty12 went bonkers =) | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | frals: :-S | 20:38 |
| * RST38h especially likes the massive butthurt in the comments | 20:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: errm yep | 20:38 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: Nothing *but* smoke here. 38oC, no sun, completely unbreathable | 20:39 |
| frals | considering how windy it was when i walked home today i suspect we will have plenty of smoke here in HEL soon :P | 20:39 |
| MohammadAG51 | oC != °C | 20:39 |
| RST38h | Mohammad <-- a wikipedian | 20:40 |
| MohammadAG51 | rather a unit nazi | 20:41 |
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| * mgedmin is happy to see MohammadAG51 is using U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN correctly; some clueless people out there are known to use U+00BA MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR instead | 20:42 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | i just used the one in arrow+ctrl | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | xD | 20:43 |
| hrw|gone | ° = AltGr+Shift+0 here | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's in the sym menu | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | on the N900 | 20:44 |
| hrw|gone | ah | 20:44 |
| RST38h | [state-of-factly] Two wikipedians. | 20:44 |
| hrw|gone | bye | 20:44 |
| RST38h | Just use plain ASCII, you punks. | 20:44 |
| * MohammadAG51 requests RST38h be gone into the depths of freenode | 20:45 | |
| RST38h | ASCII is what computer gods have originally given you | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | RST38h, actually, they gave us binary | 20:45 |
| RST38h | No. Binary has been here to begin with. | 20:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Kick RST38h, he has disobeyed me! | 20:46 |
| mgedmin | didn't EBCDIC predate ASCII? | 20:46 |
| * RST38h moos woefully | 20:46 | |
| mgedmin | speaking of "originally" | 20:46 |
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| RST38h | mgedmin: EBCDIC is not a char set, it is IBM's attempt to do US government's contract to implement computer encryption | 20:46 |
| RST38h | ;) | 20:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | three wikipedians | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | zing | 20:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, still no idea how to escape friggin BBcodes like "*" for emphasis | 20:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | BB code? | 20:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | there is an escape for it afaik | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Doc: IRCII does not have them | 20:48 |
| RST38h | Shows everything in plain, non-bold, non-italiced ASCII | 20:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | look there: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler/ *61<number>*<time-i should read **61*<number>*<time-i | 20:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | that's not a forum lol | 20:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it's handled like it were | 20:49 |
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| VDVsx | RST38h, is qwerty still around ? :D I thought he was a ifanboy now :P | 20:51 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: He can't even accept PMs on tmo | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | email him | 20:51 |
| RST38h | VDVsx: But it does not look good. I doubt maemo is the main issue there. | 20:51 |
| VDVsx | drugs ? :P | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-04 00:47:50] <DocScrutinizer> one more indication he forgot his Litium | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | [2010-08-04 00:48:12] <DocScrutinizer> and/or haloperidol | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | uhm, its a bit rude to badmouth him like that. he's done a shitload of good work over the years. | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's not badmouthing, more the opposite | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I honestly hope this action was out of some pathological state of mind, and not his usual way to act | 20:59 |
| toggles_w | I'm going to miss him, helped me out a lot with bme on mer | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I respect his shitload of good work and contributions | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to miss having him around and will give him a poke if i come by london | 21:00 |
| toggles_w | he is accepting emails, I talked to him today | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah i know | 21:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | probably burnout syndrome | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | seen frequently in exhausting communities like maemo | 21:03 |
| E0x | nokia burn it | 21:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm nokia faithfully following http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ helps a lot for sure | 21:06 |
| svuorela | win 23 | 21:06 |
| svuorela | fail | 21:06 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: most items in his rant are essentially correct. | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: did i say i was disagrreeing? | 21:07 |
| VDVsx | Stskeeps, but what happened to him ? (I'm completely out) | 21:08 |
| Zucca | Ok. I've read that this new charger standard, with micro USB connection, specifies that a device accepts usb charge-only input as charger if D-pins are sorted. Otherwise the host must know how to comminicate with the device (using D-pins) like a PC. Then if this is true a device asks for more current to start chraging. Is this right? | 21:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 21:10 |
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| RST38h | VDVsx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59700 | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx: think he had enough, tbh | 21:10 |
| Jaffa | Haven't we all? | 21:11 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: that was funny and the same time sad | 21:11 |
| E0x | i am wrong ? | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | eowhat exactly are referring to? | 21:11 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: This way, there won't be any Maemo developers left by the time Meego device is announced | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: not disagreeing | 21:11 |
| Jaffa | I think the voraciousness of a rant is directly proportional to the likelihood of the person coming back within 6-12 months ;-) | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | E0x: what exactly are referring to? | 21:11 |
| Zucca | Because I have a lithium battery pack that has usb A (female) port. I have to use "old" charger plug with this battery pack and plug it into the old-charger-to-micro-usb adapter (came with my N900) to charge my N900 using this battery pack. | 21:11 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Possible, but not given. | 21:12 |
| E0x | http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ | 21:12 |
| Zucca | Now this adapter that came with N900 has some sort of voltage regulators. | 21:12 |
| Zucca | To the efficiency isn't the best in this case (the adapter get a bit hot as usual). | 21:13 |
| Zucca | Now... Is there any possible way to tell N900, via software, to start charging even the D-pins arent sorted? | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: correct, but I don't see why you have to use that adapter. Short the D+/- in your battery pack and you're done | 21:14 |
| konfoo | in that rant step 1 says it all | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: there is, but that's a domain for jrbme software yet to come | 21:14 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: It is safe to do that sorting? I mean will other devices be ok if I charge them? | 21:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | E0x: oh that one, yes it's more sad than funny actually, depending on your notion how much of it applies to a particular Company and project in fact | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: definitely yes | 21:16 |
| Zucca | Ok. Thanks. | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yw | 21:16 |
| Corsac | grmbl, HAM doesn't want to install MohammadAG51's hildon-desktop | 21:16 |
| Zucca | BAsically this battery pack I have isn't made well (same goes for many other USB loader I have)... | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | it's not in a user/ section | 21:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | and it's the same version | 21:16 |
| Zucca | DocScrutinizer: One more thing... Are those pins sorted to ground or just to each other? | 21:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Zucca: other alternative: carefully open uf a CA-101 cable, cut the white and green wire, and connect the two ends going to micro-USB end | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | just to each other | 21:18 |
| * RST38h wonders what he should do: close the balcony door and suffocate, or leave the door open...and suffocate? | 21:18 | |
| mortini | RST38h: open & jump! | 21:19 |
| * mortini offers 3rd solution. | 21:19 | |
| Corsac | grmbl, isn't sudo gainroot supposed to work? (I always log as root through ssh) | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | shoot your head instead - much faster and less painful | 21:19 |
| RST38h | The smoke is so thick that I will probably levitate on it | 21:19 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: go to the office? :P | 21:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ouch, Moscow | 21:19 |
| Zucca | Now I just need to open this battery pack... Which doesn't have any screws... :E | 21:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: so same advice I gave to paul fertser goes to you as well: take 4 weeks off for a holiday in Germany | 21:20 |
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| timeless | corsac: sudo gainroot works once you install rootsh | 21:21 |
| timeless | and it's covered in the wiki | 21:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or more terse: root | 21:21 |
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| Corsac | hmhm, maybe rootsh was not reinstalled after flash | 21:22 |
| Corsac | my root password is still valid but rootsh is not installed, so indeed. | 21:22 |
| timeless | if you restore from a backup, it should be pulled in | 21:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: so just ssh 127.0.0.1 ? | 21:22 |
| Corsac | and, nice one, files in /etc/sudoers.d are 644 | 21:22 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: yes, that's how I do it :) | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: AC is off in the office | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: what's wrong with 644? | 21:23 |
| RST38h | Doc: Would rather go somewhere else | 21:23 |
| RST38h | But yes, 4 weeks vacation should come really handy here | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: start now, before no more planes, trains, and busses leave Moscow | 21:24 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: sudoers files aren't usually public | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Ok, closing the door, looks like there is no choice | 21:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | public read won't hurt, no? | 21:25 |
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| Stskeeps | RST38h: nice knowing you | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | much like /etc/passwd (if used with shadow) | 21:25 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: hey, I still have a few hours left =) | 21:26 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: it's just another layer of security, not to let everyone know what commands are allowed to be ru as root | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | ack | 21:26 |
| Corsac | but in case of a single user phone, that's not exactly where the danger is, I guess | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | on my desktop PC it's even root:root 440 | 21:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 21:27 |
| Corsac | same here :) | 21:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | open a ticket! | 21:28 |
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| technomike | my IM accounts passwords are not saving and my youtube sharing account isn't saving so each time i restart my n900 i have to input these all again | 21:31 |
| technomike | it also causes availability not to be shown | 21:31 |
| technomike | its getting annoying now | 21:31 |
| technomike | why is this? | 21:31 |
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| girishr | is the maemo5 wm code open source? | 21:41 |
| GAN900 | Yes | 21:42 |
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| girishr | GAN900: it's part of the hildon git repo is it? | 21:43 |
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| GAN900 | Dunno | 21:44 |
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| girishr | found it | 21:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (backup busily processing /var/lib/ntp/proc/*/*/* - WTF a shiity crappy backup tool with brainf*ckd config is THAT?) | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | dd would've been better | 21:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | and faster, you've been talking about backups for 2 days or so :p | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | dd would,ve been the way to get a inconsistent fs image, when used on a mounted active partition | 21:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | live CDs ftw | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, I'm no noob, just a fool. Don't like to shutdown the system, as I'm *constantly* using it | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and yes, it's in its 28th hour now | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | and not even partially done yet | 21:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ETA as guessed by me is >70h | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw ECHAN, sorry | 21:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | one last comment: I'm taking bets, it will fail in the end XP | 21:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ([2010-08-04 19:36:42] <frals> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG51: it wont stick) yep, you're absolutely right :-S | 22:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | what won't stick? | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh, nvm, perverted head | 22:09 |
| * MohammadAG51 bangs head | 22:09 | |
| * Khertan didn't like the existing twitter client | 22:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | that's really mean | 22:09 |
| * Khertan didn't like the existing twitter maemo client | 22:09 | |
| Khertan | tweego ask for login/pass everytime | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk | 22:10 |
| Khertan | mauku is lock to one year ago tweets and didn't refresh | 22:10 |
| Khertan | witter ... is far from having a simple and nice ui | 22:10 |
| Khertan | did a another one exist on maemo ? | 22:10 |
| Khertan | or i finish my experiment with Khweeteur (my own twitter client ?) | 22:11 |
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| * timeless kicks crashanddie | 22:25 | |
| timeless | maemo is not a discussion system | 22:25 |
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| timeless | nor for that matter is meego | 22:25 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer, why do you have /proc mounted under /var/lib/ntp? | 22:25 |
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| timeless | all of them are dictator based | 22:26 |
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| timeless | there's an owner | 22:26 |
| timeless | and the owner has the last word | 22:26 |
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| timeless | in the nokia process, that's generally whichever sucker was paid to be the victim | 22:26 |
| timeless | in the meego process, it's whichever sucker gets stuck w/ the position | 22:26 |
| luke-jr | every time I pick up N810, I am in awe how much nicer than N900 it is <.< | 22:26 |
| timeless | and *hopefully* that sucker is being paid for the pain and suffering involved | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: guess that's the changeroot for ntpd on my x86 linux | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | which distro? | 22:28 |
| mgedmin | debian doesn't use a chroot for ntp | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | done by default by the same friggin tool called yast that now thinks it's good idea to backup that | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | opensuse | 22:29 |
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| * mgedmin pulls out some popcorn | 22:30 | |
| crashanddie | timeless: you do realise the whole point of my ranting? | 22:31 |
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| crashanddie | mgedmin: why the corn? | 22:34 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: *sighs* | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | Corsac: hmm? | 22:36 |
| Corsac | about the tooltips | 22:36 |
| crashanddie | Corsac: sigh against me or against the decision? | 22:37 |
| Corsac | the decision | 22:37 |
| crashanddie | well, I do understand it | 22:37 |
| Corsac | I have to admit I admire you, I gave up on this long ago | 22:37 |
| Corsac | this being bug.m.o :/ | 22:37 |
| * timeless sells corsac an S | 22:37 | |
| timeless | seriously, when someone writes an essay in a tooltip, they've done something terribly wrong | 22:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: why are you backupping stuff instead of making stuff that's good enough for people to mirror for themselves? | 22:38 |
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| Corsac | timeless: it's not exactly a life changer for microB, imho, and I'm not sure it's the browser call | 22:40 |
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| Corsac | as long as it's correct, wether it's sensible is something entirely different imho | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: err wut? | 22:41 |
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| crashanddie | timeless: it's not about writing essays in the tooltip, nor is it about displaying them or not | 22:41 |
| crashanddie | timeless: it's about having the bloody decency to treat people with respect, and not simply dismiss an idea by being a rude ass | 22:41 |
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| crashanddie | timeless: explain that this would be a feature request, and that nobody is working on new features on microb at the moment | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie, the popcorn is for watching the flamewar between you and timeless | 22:42 |
| mgedmin | could you please try to be a bit less rude and a bit more entertaining? | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | timeless: I've had to fucking read the html 4 spec just to get you to admit that | 22:42 |
| crashanddie | like i give a crap about tooltips | 22:43 |
| timeless | heh | 22:43 |
| timeless | sorry | 22:43 |
| timeless | not plaing this game | 22:43 |
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| timeless | if you like. i can be terser | 22:43 |
| timeless | or i can ignore things entirely | 22:43 |
| timeless | those are your choices | 22:43 |
| timeless | WONTFIX. NO DISCUSSION ALLOWED. GO AWAY | 22:44 |
| timeless | that's an option if you like | 22:44 |
| * timeless sighs | 22:44 | |
| crashanddie | "There are no new features being developed at this stage in the product cycle of MicroB, so I'm closing this as WONTFIX" | 22:45 |
| crashanddie | just 3 times the length, 100 times the kindness. | 22:45 |
| mgedmin | crashanddie++ | 22:45 |
| * timeless shrugs | 22:45 | |
| timeless | i didn't close it today | 22:45 |
| timeless | i closed it ages ago | 22:45 |
| timeless | and i'm not going to talk about this | 22:46 |
| timeless | not today | 22:46 |
| timeless | not ever again | 22:46 |
| timeless | if you do bother me again | 22:46 |
| timeless | i will just yell at you | 22:46 |
| timeless | i have better things to do | 22:46 |
| timeless | like find myself a happier profession | 22:46 |
| * timeless considers farming | 22:46 | |
| timeless | and not the facebook stuff | 22:46 |
| timeless | it's too complicated | 22:46 |
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| * DocScrutinizer prepares popcorn as well | 22:47 | |
| ShadowJK | timeless, how about beer/winemaking? | 22:47 |
| * ShadowJK has a 300 litre cooling tank sitting idle | 22:47 | |
| timeless | shadowjk; as i don't drink, that'd be kinda depressing | 22:48 |
| ShadowJK | ah | 22:48 |
| timeless | at least as i'm human, i eat, and thus could benefit from farming | 22:48 |
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| timeless | otoh, perhaps i should take up drinking | 22:48 |
| timeless | it seems to be what everyone else here does | 22:48 |
| lcuk | i will join you timeless | 22:48 |
| timeless | i guess it's a good coping mechanism | 22:48 |
| * mgedmin drinks virtually | 22:48 | |
| mgedmin | if I started, I'd become a total alcoholic | 22:48 |
| lcuk | earl grey, hot? | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | heh | 22:49 |
| ShadowJK | I heard on the radio that "chillout" drinks are emerging on the market in the US alongside the usual energy drinks | 22:49 |
| * lcuk potsed on the bug report :O | 22:49 | |
| mgedmin | the other side of the argument is: is it reasonable to force every engineer to be a PR person? | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | posted even | 22:49 |
| mgedmin | should it maybe be aklapper who walks into the discussion on a bug and pastes that friendly sentence like crashandie suggested? | 22:50 |
| timeless | lcuk: i had a nice green tea w/ dinner | 22:50 |
| * mgedmin didn't post on the bug report because he thinks it would be pointless | 22:50 | |
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| ShadowJK | I don't think bugzilla should have any PR | 22:50 |
| crashanddie | mgedmin: except those are "write once, use many"... it could've been done ages ago | 22:50 |
| timeless | mgedmin: that's appreciated | 22:50 |
| ShadowJK | it's the wr ong place :P | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i think for anyone later who wants to use it can | 22:50 |
| timeless | fwiw | 22:50 |
| timeless | data:text/html,%3Cstyle%3Eimg:after{content:%22%20%22%20attr(title)}%3C/style%3E%3Cimg%20src=%22http://images.apple.com/v20100726225204/startpage/images/promo_imac_20100727.jpg%22%20alt=%22The%20new%20iMac%20|%20The%20ultimate%20all-in-one.%20Turbocharged.%22%20title=%22two%20new%20apple%20iMac%20computers%20with%20stands%22%3E | 22:50 |
| timeless | is the way it should work | 22:50 |
| lcuk | i have seen lots of people come here saying "how do i get alt text" | 22:51 |
| timeless | unfortunately, gecko doesn't support content:attr() | 22:51 |
| timeless | when it does, you can use it | 22:51 |
| lcuk | and invariably, me pasting todays xkcd solves problem | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | lcuk, I think nobody's arguing (any more) about this being a bug | 22:51 |
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| timeless | you're free to write the impl | 22:51 |
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| lcuk | yeah posted the solution to it | 22:51 |
| timeless | mgedmin: the only bug is in xkcd's content | 22:51 |
| timeless | it's really bogus | 22:51 |
| lcuk | that timeless himself showed! | 22:51 |
| mgedmin | iirc firefox had an xckd bug in their bugzilla for a couple of years until the devs caved in and added support for long tooltips | 22:51 |
| timeless | and always has been | 22:52 |
| timeless | mgedmin: which is incredibly unfortunate | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | that's the way the world works | 22:52 |
| timeless | because some of us don't have screens big enough to show long tooltips | 22:52 |
| lcuk | the power of xkcd! | 22:52 |
| mgedmin | standards follow implementations, no the other way around | 22:52 |
| timeless | anyway | 22:52 |
| timeless | this conversation is dead | 22:52 |
| timeless | please make it go away | 22:52 |
| timeless | the alternative is that i never join this channel again | 22:52 |
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| crashanddie | #maemo /clear | 22:53 |
| timeless | the reality is that we're not working on maemo at all anymore | 22:53 |
| timeless | so i don't really have a good reason to stay if people here choose to make my life miserable | 22:53 |
| timeless | we're working on meego-- | 22:53 |
| crashanddie | timeless: you know that's not true | 22:53 |
| crashanddie | timeless: at least, not from my part | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | i am anti-meego | 22:53 |
| timeless | crashanddie: i can't counter that w/ numbers | 22:54 |
| kerio | i'm anti-rpm | 22:54 |
| timeless | and you know it | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | well, anti-rpm | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | heh | 22:54 |
| timeless | but maemo devices ceased to exist July 1 | 22:54 |
| timeless | it was replaced by meego devices iirc | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | i experimented with rpms, they don't store shit about the package | 22:54 |
| timeless | or maybe meego computers | 22:54 |
| timeless | who knows | 22:54 |
| * timeless shrugs | 22:54 | |
| timeless | debs suck | 22:54 |
| kerio | i want a meego device :( | 22:55 |
| timeless | i want a pony | 22:55 |
| timeless | and a place to keep it | 22:55 |
| kerio | ponies exist, at least :( | 22:55 |
| FauxFaux | Mine. | 22:55 |
| timeless | and food for it | 22:55 |
| Corsac | ponies! | 22:55 |
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| ShadowJK | Isn't N900 the reference meego device? :P | 22:55 |
| timeless | shadowjk: not 'the' | 22:55 |
| ShadowJK | oh, "a" | 22:55 |
| timeless | perhaps 'a' | 22:55 |
| kerio | timeless: well, *the*, right now | 22:55 |
| timeless | of this, i am not certain | 22:55 |
| kerio | or maybe the only | 22:55 |
| timeless | kerio: actually, i think the reference device is probably something from intel | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | timeless, I think someone announced it as such, maybe they forgot to tell the people working on MeeGo :) | 22:56 |
| * timeless is surprised there isn't a beagle board reference device | 22:56 | |
| * timeless sighs | 22:56 | |
| kerio | the reference device is the one that devs have | 22:56 |
| timeless | there's a cabinet door in the other room which is swinging open and closed w. the wind | 22:56 |
| timeless | kerio: i think that's virtualbox or vmware or something | 22:57 |
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| * timeless has virtualbox | 22:57 | |
| kerio | or the n900 | 22:57 |
| kerio | awesome device | 22:57 |
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| timeless | crash: oh | 22:58 |
| timeless | in case you're wondering | 22:58 |
| timeless | people outside the browser team are *not* allowed to change browser behavior | 22:59 |
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| crashanddie | timeless: I didn't even know there wasn't any more dev on the browser, frankly | 23:00 |
| timeless | crashanddie: we've integrated a few things into various pieces even last week or this week | 23:00 |
| timeless | oh gosh] | 23:00 |
| timeless | m.xkcd.com? | 23:00 |
| timeless | lcuk++ | 23:01 |
| timeless | lcuk++ | 23:01 |
| timeless | lcuk: don't suppose you can ask them to change the link from 'alt' to 'title'? | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf? (typing onehanded - other hand in popcorn bag) | 23:02 |
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| lcuk | timeless, hmm ? be specific | 23:02 |
| kerio | alt is instead of the picture | 23:02 |
| kerio | title is mouseover | 23:02 |
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| timeless | on m.xkcd.com has a link 'alt' but it shows the title text, not the alt text | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | i am not a html person | 23:03 |
| kerio | there's no alt text! | 23:03 |
| lcuk | ahh | 23:03 |
| lcuk | it was you that told me about it, but never once mentioned it in the bug report | 23:03 |
| kerio | i mean, it should be a substitution for the content of the image | 23:03 |
| lcuk | everyone asks about lt text actually | 23:03 |
| * timeless has a very short memory | 23:03 | |
| kerio | lcuk: lt text? | 23:03 |
| kerio | "<text" | 23:03 |
| timeless | he lost an 'a' | 23:03 |
| lcuk | alt | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | damn keyboard | 23:04 |
| * lcuk turns it upside down and bashes all hte popcorn out of it | 23:04 | |
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| crashanddie | kerio: xkcd.com has an alt tag, and also a title tag | 23:04 |
| crashanddie | kerio: there is no specification in any standard, nor recommendation that title should have a max amount of characters | 23:05 |
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| timeless | http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=25054&hilit=mobile+xkcd fwiw | 23:05 |
| kerio | crashanddie: because crappy browsers show the alt attribute in a tooltip | 23:05 |
| lcuk | ================================== problem solved, please just remember to pass on http://m.xkcd.com to anyone who asks | 23:05 |
| crashanddie | sure | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | i cleared out my entire sms history | 23:06 |
| lcuk | and deleted the folder | 23:06 |
| andre__ | feeling better now? | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | and it came back and still uses 10% memory in browserd | 23:06 |
| andre__ | heh | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | any ideas what could be eating all the ram | 23:07 |
| timeless | ? | 23:07 |
| timeless | which browserd? is this conversations? | 23:07 |
| lcuk | i see listings from different people with different top results showing same process taking up less mem | 23:07 |
| kerio | lcuk: gremlins | 23:07 |
| lcuk | yes | 23:07 |
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| * timeless ponders | 23:07 | |
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| timeless | i'm not sure i really want to care | 23:07 |
| lcuk | i thought it was due to the number of messages it was retaining | 23:07 |
| timeless | i really really need to do some technical writing | 23:07 |
| timeless | or kick my cabinet door | 23:08 |
| lcuk | then go do some timeless | 23:08 |
| lcuk | it wasnt aimed at you | 23:08 |
| * timeless walks away | 23:08 | |
| lcuk | theres some good guys here who can normally identify such things | 23:08 |
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| nox- | moin | 23:09 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: 7% on browserd | 23:09 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 23:10 |
| lcuk | and its gone down to 7.6% now that I added some messages into it | 23:10 |
| crashanddie | 7.6% is exactly what I have | 23:10 |
| lcuk | i last looked last night and got | 23:10 |
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| mgedmin | 18.8% memory in browserd -- I think I have some page open | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, a nice one to make microb render random mondrian, then freeze: kicker.de | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | 1530 1182 user S 25028 10.1 0.0 /usr/sbin/browserd -s 1530 -n RTComMessagingServer | 23:11 |
| lcuk | now i have a less footprint | 23:11 |
| lcuk | 1476 1165 user S 18944 7.6 0.0 /usr/sbin/browserd -s 1476 -n RTComMessagingServer | 23:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | just click somewhere, make sure js enabled | 23:12 |
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| lcuk | this is the front end to conversations | 23:12 |
| lcuk | doesnt matter now then if its closer to normal | 23:12 |
| lcuk | just seeing 10% was a bit ott | 23:13 |
| crashanddie | low battery, I'm out | 23:13 |
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| cehteh | hah new power-kernel again :P | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | what does it burn? | 23:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | zaheerm-lp, hey | 23:15 |
| cehteh | maybe fixing the video? | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm? | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | zaheerm-lp, maintainer of zoutube right? | 23:16 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wow 36 upgraded, 10 pinned | 23:18 |
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| MohammadAG51 | need, new, pulseaudio | 23:19 |
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| Stskeeps | sure pulseaudio from maemo isn't on gitorious? | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm? lemme check | 23:20 |
| alterego | Need working gstreamer plugins .. | 23:20 |
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| alterego | I'd really like to knoow why the Alpha plugin element doesn't work in gstreamer | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, doesn't seem to be there | 23:23 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: sucks | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, would porting a different pulseaduio f up calls/mediaplayer? | 23:29 |
| Stskeeps | likely | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | PR1.3 it is, whenever that is | 23:30 |
| BugBlue | ~pr1.3 | 23:30 |
| infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... | 23:30 |
| alterego | Heh | 23:30 |
| Bluewind | are there screens of the different plastic themes? (plastic theme pack and addon packs) | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | i wonder if meego will follow the same retarded SSU method | 23:30 |
| threezero | SSU? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: check how netbook does it, i guess | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | seamless (meh) software update | 23:32 |
| threezero | heh | 23:33 |
| cehteh | ok still no video camera with new kernel | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG51 | cehteh, video cam works here | 23:34 |
| cehteh | hum | 23:34 |
| cehteh | main cam? | 23:34 |
| cehteh | since i installed the new kernel i can only make photos but no video | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | resurrected 'needs VFAT' issue | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 23:36 |
| cehteh | dunno | 23:36 |
| cehteh | i am not in mood to investigate this | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | only problem with the cam here is that it can't lock audio so the cam doesn't - always | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | start the camera | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | which it just did, and apparen | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | UGH | 23:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | camera-ui forces xchat to send a message when the cam opens | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 23:39 |
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| nox- | haha | 23:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's the virus which sends all your imagery to a secret DCC | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | they prepended the /cmd with a \n to make sure it's in a new line, on its own | 23:42 |
| cehteh | how can i start the video recording app from console to get any output if there is any? | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | that's the point - with camera-ui original you can not | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least aiui | 23:44 |
| cehteh | ok forget it | 23:44 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 23:48 |
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