| tybollt | certainly | 00:00 |
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| chadi | is there any app i can use to keep track of my spent money etc? | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I forget the name | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | it's silly | 00:00 |
| jacekowski | chadi: internet banking via microB | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | check HAM | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | siggy | 00:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I think there is another, but I forget the name | 00:00 |
| jacekowski | i've spent £11 at mcdonalds today | 00:00 |
| TMM | does anyone know if it is possible to have the mail client only notify for emails that come into inbox, and not other folders? | 00:01 |
| jacekowski | and that was my only meal today | 00:01 |
| Corsac | TMM: it does that by default here | 00:01 |
| Corsac | TMM: and I wouldn't know how to make it different, tbh | 00:01 |
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| TMM | I use the exchange plugin through z-push on a zarafa server (which works great btw) but it notifies for all mails now | 00:01 |
| chadi | something that is not devel is preferable | 00:01 |
| chadi | or even testing | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I've spent I think 1.50 on food today, for all meals. | 00:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Cooking ++ | 00:02 |
| TMM | and I really don't need to hear a sound whenever someone posts something to lkml :P | 00:02 |
| tybollt | jacekowski: so you ARE the fat chick? | 00:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Actually - no - 2.00 - counting the fruit | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: nah, that's my only meal today | 00:02 |
| jacekowski | and i pretty much don't eat at all during a weekend | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | so is there a way to rotate 90, 180, 270, for an app? | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or does matchbox(?) just not support? | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: you should take over here | 00:03 |
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| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: take over where? | 00:07 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: about what? | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding screen rotate | 00:08 |
| DrGrov | Ah yes, sorry. I am bit lost at the moment. | 00:08 |
| DrGrov | Had some strong eye drops inserted just a few minutes ago for my fucked up eyes. | 00:08 |
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| DrGrov | So, would it be possible to have a full rotating screen like DocScrutinizer said? | 00:10 |
| DrGrov | I was wondering about this since it would be so nice to be able to use the phone in any kind of direction almost. | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | xrandr --rotate left|right|inverted ? | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | would it work? | 00:13 |
| DrGrov | I hope it would work :D | 00:13 |
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| kahless | strange.. skype connects via umts, icq and irc doesnt.. | 00:17 |
| kahless | web does not work too | 00:17 |
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| Kegetys | dns broken? | 00:18 |
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| kahless | Kegetys: seems so, but valid dns servers are in my resolve.conf | 00:19 |
| kahless | s/resolve.conf/resolv.conf :) | 00:20 |
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| luke-jr | kahless: only 127.0.0.1 should be in resolv.conf | 00:23 |
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| kahless | luke-jr: just a second.. | 00:23 |
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| * kahless feels so stupid now | 00:25 | |
| kahless | luke-jr: thx a lot :) never thought about a loopback | 00:26 |
| kerio | luke-jr: why? | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | kerio: because Maemo5 runs its own DNS server | 00:26 |
| kerio | so? | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | ... | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | It' not impossible that some stuff won't look at /etc/resolv.conf and is hardcoded to ask 127.0.0.1 | 00:28 |
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| Arkenoi | it is said nokia messaging is going to be paid service | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | It's some sort of revenue-sharing scheme with operators | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | So in reality it's going to vary from country to country and operator to operator | 00:30 |
| Arkenoi | it is ok, but seems that it will be completely unavailable for customers who are using network operator that does not have agreement with nokia | 00:31 |
| Arkenoi | and it damn sucks | 00:31 |
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| Arkenoi | i am willing to pay, but i do not want to be discriminated | 00:31 |
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| kerio | using sms as data transfer, without a special deal? | 00:31 |
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| kerio | hahaha, oh wow | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | wtf is nokia messaging and wtf do we care? | 00:31 |
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| Arkenoi | luke, do you have another push email that works for maemo? activesync is even worse | 00:32 |
| kerio | luke-jr: im over sms for dumbphones | 00:32 |
| kerio | well, not exactly dumbphones | 00:32 |
| kerio | for phones between dumb and smart | 00:32 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: SMS was lame from the start | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sorry for dumbass question: how would I paste some sourcecode to wiki, so it won't lose indentation etc? | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | is there some [plain] tag? | 00:35 |
| n900-dk | Does Instinctiv from Ovi work for you guys? | 00:35 |
| n900-dk | It starts but shutdown immediately.. :/ | 00:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: o.O (bq24150 module included in image) http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu | 00:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nevermind wiki Q | 00:41 |
| pekuja | I hope this is not too offtopic, but can anyone recommend a good case for N900? I had a CP-321, but I lost it, and it wasn't super great anyhow. | 00:41 |
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| SiggyF | i thought I read there was a key combo to make a screenshot. is that available without installing anything? | 00:44 |
| luke-jr | pekuja: yeah, kinda lame Nokia didn't include cases with N900 like they did all the earlier ones | 00:44 |
| luke-jr | pekuja: I'm using my N810's | 00:44 |
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| pekuja | that's a very basic case, right? | 00:46 |
| pekuja | kinda like CP-321 | 00:46 |
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| pekuja | one thing I'd really like is a case that allows access to the headphone jack | 00:46 |
| pekuja | and possibly the touchscreen | 00:47 |
| PaulyN900 | i need ive been trying for days and cant get portrait mode on browser | 00:47 |
| pekuja | PaulyN900: I think you need to go into the options to enable it. then tuck the keyboard in and hold the phone vertically | 00:47 |
| PaulyN900 | ctrl shift o wont work, i feel retarded | 00:48 |
| PaulyN900 | lol thanks ill see brb | 00:48 |
| kahless | SiggyF: ctrl + shift + p (but that doesnt work here | 00:49 |
| kahless | ) | 00:49 |
| PaulyN900 | ya hitting enable rotaion in browser dont work either | 00:50 |
| PaulyN900 | soo lost | 00:50 |
| PaulyN900 | nevermind i dont need it | 00:50 |
| PaulyN900 | thanks im outie | 00:50 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: <pre> | 00:54 |
| SiggyF | thanks got some nice pictures now | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 00:54 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i think if you start with --- it does it automaticaly | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: bq24150 module?? | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | yeah, that's odd | 00:55 |
| jacekowski | nothing on google about it | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | just about and no hits | 00:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *sigh* | 00:56 |
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| jacekowski | he's never here when you need him | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | will have an hour of TV and an icecream | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | he was rare the whole day | 00:57 |
| jacekowski | well, make a spec anyways | 00:57 |
| jacekowski | and how do you plan to handle watchdog | 00:57 |
| jacekowski | automaticaly in kernel? | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, mine won't be worse than whatever might be there | 00:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: still pondering | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically why not | 00:58 |
| jacekowski | i think kernel should handle it | 00:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | as the whole watchdog shit is just a protection against runaway progs writing to the I2C chrg_volt register etc | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's nothing that can 'run away' if not closely monitored | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | so a reasonably 'magic' value you have to write to critical synodes will be protection enough I'd say | 01:00 |
| jacekowski | then i would have to mod BME to use new driver | 01:00 |
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| user___ | hi | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, we'll define the operation of the driver in such a way it keeps backward compatibility | 01:01 |
| user___ | I need help to use autodisconnect | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e if nobody touches it it won't interfere with direct access to I2C/bq24150 | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | nah, | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | as soon as kernel driver claims i2c device | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | nothing else can touch it | 01:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nope, not true afaik | 01:02 |
| jacekowski | yep true | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can override that | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | try to talk to gaia | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | using i2cget/set | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | or fmtxc | 01:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gaia has register lock mechanisms | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | fmtx* | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | or lp5523 | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway it's a module, you can modprobe (-r) it any time | 01:03 |
| jacekowski | i had to unload lp5523 module to get access to temperature | 01:04 |
| user___ | it seems working but only if I disactivate all my IM account. I was thinking that it will work when I put my IM status offline | 01:04 |
| jacekowski | and i still had no response from natsemi in regards of datasheet | 01:05 |
| jacekowski | i'll have to call them | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ""stop bme && modpobe bq24150"" | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: took a weekend for me | 01:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but then, I had an 'official' addr/title | 01:06 |
| jacekowski | and you contacted them using that contact form on a website? | 01:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | well, i have an official title and address | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | ( i was using my work address for that purpose ) | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, just keep calm | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | i hate waiting | 01:07 |
| tybollt | :) | 01:07 |
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| microlith | hm, so the only way to interface with the GPS is via liblocation? | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 01:11 |
| microlith | :/ | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil1 | I'm unsure whee liblocation gets its data | 01:11 |
| microlith | I was about to ask | 01:12 |
| microlith | and I suspect liblocation is closed? | 01:12 |
| SpeedEvil1 | yes | 01:12 |
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| microlith | yuk yuk yuk | 01:12 |
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| jacekowski | well, liblocation is next on my list | 01:12 |
| microlith | kinda scrubs porting an existing map tool | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | but i think agps will be a prblem | 01:13 |
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| jacekowski | that's strange | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | FS-94 is connecting only to 3 serial pins | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | teaching gpsd about liblocation wouldn't be horribly hard | 01:14 |
| technomike | 3G uses more power than WiFi right? | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | generally, yes | 01:14 |
| technomike | I mean on an active data connection | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | almost invariably | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | active 3G can use maybe 3* what active wifi can at peak | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: do you have mj-174? | 01:15 |
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| Wolfie | talking about 3g power usage, can I have my data connection on idle, without it affecting the battery life noticeably? | 01:17 |
| technomike | Good question | 01:18 |
| Wolfie | afaik, the iPhone has a permanently open data connection, and there's no option to turn it off | 01:18 |
| peb | So SpeedEvil, for saving power, you'd suggest whenever possible to switch to WLAN? Is there an App that can do it automatically (list of known WLANs, check if available, kill 3G)? | 01:18 |
| Wolfie | so, i'm guessing they have managed to get the battery drainage to a minimum | 01:18 |
| technomike | peb - The N900 has that built in | 01:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blessn900? muhaha! nightmode of genuine maemo-pr1.2 cam shoots pictures like daylight where blessn900 got just pointilism abstract art | 01:19 |
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| peb | Technomike, thanks for the Info. I wasn't aware of that, I've then to check how to optimize that .. | 01:19 |
| peb | optimize: I mean the usage of that ... | 01:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Data connection open and idle is pretty minimal power consumption | 01:21 |
| ShadowJK | the hard part is in getting it idle | 01:21 |
| technomike | haha yeah | 01:22 |
| Wolfie | well, i'd imagine it checking the email every now and then doesn't take too much effort | 01:23 |
| technomike | Once you have an open data connection, SOMETHING seems to always be using it :P | 01:23 |
| Wolfie | isn't IMAP traffic pretty light | 01:23 |
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| Wolfie | and, then there's the weather widget, ought to be light on its data too | 01:23 |
| Wolfie | as long as it doesn't shorten the life by 20% by merely being on, i'm considering it a non-issue | 01:23 |
| technomike | But anyway, why keep it idle (just curious), just connect when needed | 01:24 |
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| technomike | is it for widget updates? | 01:24 |
| technomike | and EMAIL | 01:24 |
| Wolfie | technomike: *shrug* just out of academic interest | 01:24 |
| technomike | Yep, well good question | 01:24 |
| Wolfie | faster to leave it on in background and start surfing, instead of waiting for the connection to handshake for "ages" when you need to check one little thing | 01:25 |
| technomike | I don't know at all, but personally I think the connection uses more power when its on at all. | 01:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | 3G idle (really idle, means also no *inbound* pings etc) takes a mere 4mA allegedly | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | It's not as much about the amount of data transfered | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | a ping once every 2 seconds, doesn't matter if it's inbound or outbound, uses about as much power as streaming radio :P | 01:26 |
| technomike | besides, just being in 3G cell signal mode uses more power anyway. | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | a single byte though - in or out - will ramp it up to - say - 300mA for 30s | 01:26 |
| technomike | compared to 2G | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | (somewhat operator dependant) | 01:26 |
| Wolfie | ShadowJK: what, really? wow | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | Wolfie, as DocScrutinizer says | 01:27 |
| kerio | yeah, but 3g > 2g | 01:27 |
| Wolfie | ok, better leave it off, then... dang :/ | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | technomike: I found I can only get service if I use 3G :/ | 01:27 |
| kerio | better throughput, better lag | 01:27 |
| technomike | luke-jr - Shocking :o | 01:27 |
| ShadowJK | I use the mode switch applet, and usually keep it on 2g and only switch to 3g if there's something particulary bandwidth intensive | 01:27 |
| luke-jr | technomike: also, nobody actually sells 3G service here | 01:27 |
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| luke-jr | AT&T has 2G, but *nobody* sells 3G | 01:27 |
| kerio | my operator only has 3g | 01:28 |
| technomike | luke-jr - I am on Three UK, and even they have 2G when there is no 3G available in the area | 01:28 |
| Wolfie | oh well. off to sleep. the dog just came to get me | 01:28 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah but do they have 2g where there's also 3g? | 01:28 |
| kerio | technomike: same here | 01:28 |
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| kerio | three italy | 01:28 |
| technomike | ShadowJK - Yeah | 01:28 |
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| luke-jr | but UK has always been big on 2G/GSM | 01:28 |
| kerio | umts only, gsm roaming | 01:29 |
| technomike | I get 3G everywhere I go practically in UK | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | of course, then there's N810 | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | which only had 4G support | 01:29 |
| luke-jr | :p | 01:29 |
| technomike | kerio - Yep! Thats it. | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway to stay on UMTS and tear down the packet data service, you need to enter a bogus APN, as there's no method I know of to switch down the 3G data connection and keep call connectivity | 01:29 |
| ShadowJK | N810W at that | 01:29 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: huh? | 01:29 |
| kerio | :o | 01:29 |
| kerio | disable automatic connection? | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | Well you can just "Disconnect $OPERATOR" form the menu and you no longer have an IP address | 01:30 |
| technomike | Sorry, I didn't realise you guys meant that. My operator is 3G only, but it roams when in 2G area, but its still the same service in the end, just low data speeds. | 01:30 |
| technomike | Three UK | 01:30 |
| technomike | the clue is in the network name :P | 01:30 |
| kerio | technomike: my data plan doesn't work in gsm roaming :( | 01:30 |
| technomike | :o | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: won't it auto-reconnect? | 01:30 |
| kerio | i have data, but i have to pay for it | 01:30 |
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| kerio | so i'd rather not | 01:30 |
| luke-jr | N900 doesn't want to roam for me... | 01:30 |
| technomike | kerio - I have unlimited data on my plan | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, you can disable autoconnection | 01:30 |
| TMM | this is technically not maemo related, but does someone have a recommendation on a N900 protective case that allows access to at least the jack, and ideally would allow calling? | 01:30 |
| ShadowJK | it's in the settings | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, ok. missed that | 01:31 |
| ShadowJK | Of course, whenever something wants to use internet, the connection dialog pops up | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, that's what I remember | 01:31 |
| technomike | luke-jr - I use the AutoDisconnect to be in 2G until I need 3G data, then when connection is inactive, switches back to 2G | 01:31 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: there's Offline Mode too | 01:31 |
| technomike | Works great | 01:31 |
| technomike | and saves power | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: offline mode means no calls aiui | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | yep | 01:32 |
| technomike | Offline mode basically turns the Cellular modem off | 01:32 |
| ShadowJK | I forget if the tablet mode app retains calls, or of it's like offline mode except wifi and bt active | 01:32 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: it's tablet mode | 01:32 |
| kerio | cellmo down | 01:32 |
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| kerio | wifi+bt up | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so basically my point stands | 01:33 |
| kerio | you know, the n900 may have a lot of flaws, but it's still a pretty kickass device | 01:33 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: I must admit. | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, that AutoDisconnect sounds smart | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | does it work if there's almost never 2G? | 01:34 |
| ShadowJK | probably not | 01:34 |
| luke-jr | eg, use 3G if 2G is unavailable, even if inactive? | 01:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | never happens in Germany :-D | 01:35 |
| ShadowJK | There's no sensible way to do "Use 2g but fallback to 3g if 2g is absent" | 01:35 |
| luke-jr | why not? | 01:35 |
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| ShadowJK | There's dual mode, but ultimately the operator decides what the device does | 01:36 |
| luke-jr | instead of using 3G, set Dual; never set 2G unless that's 3.5 | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? | 01:36 |
| * Arkenoi had never seen 3g-only networks | 01:36 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | USA only - third world | 01:37 |
| ShadowJK | It's pretty much built from the ground with the assumption that 3g without also 2g coverage "never" happens :) | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: not even USA maybe | 01:37 |
| kerio | heh, i think my Dual mode prefers the 3g over the 2g because i can only connect to my home network in 3g | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | again, T-Mobile claims it has no service here | 01:37 |
| kerio | but i usually set it to 3g only anyway, particularly when i need data | 01:38 |
| luke-jr | I had to import a SIM from Kansas City | 01:38 |
| ShadowJK | The assumption being once operators had 100% 2g coverage they'd start building 3g coverage.. and then in a few years they'll make a 3g/4g phone perhaps, that assumes 3g is always available :) | 01:38 |
| kerio | ShadowJK: hhahahahahahahahhahaa | 01:38 |
| technomike | Its awful having to switch to 2G to save power etc | 01:38 |
| ShadowJK | I had some pretty poor 2g reception the other day, and the N900 was burning battery like made to push through IRC. :-) | 01:39 |
| technomike | Should be able to stay on 3G on all devices now | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | But then again, I was half an hour out at sea :P | 01:39 |
| FauxFaux | My n900 never gets over gprs; I think my 15-year-old sim card doesn't support it. | 01:39 |
| FauxFaux | (age probably exaggerated) | 01:39 |
| technomike | Battery technology needs to improve I guess | 01:39 |
| ShadowJK | and a bit far from nearest floating cellphone operator byouy :-) | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | ...yeah | 01:39 |
| luke-jr | I don't think GSM existed 15 years ago | 01:39 |
| technomike | LOL | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: what?? | 01:40 |
| luke-jr | wasn't that when my dad was using a bag-phone with new analog cellular tech? | 01:40 |
| kerio | technomike: we need to move from batteries to really, really thin wires | 01:40 |
| ShadowJK | "The first GSM network was launched in 1991 by Radiolinja in Finland" | 01:40 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: get things low-power enough and we can use batteries + solar | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: that's Finland | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess I bought my first cellphone, a Nokia 2110, around 15..18years ago | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | they have time travellers there, so it doesn't count | 01:41 |
| FauxFaux | The 'phone the simcard came in was a nokia 5-series, which apparently means pre-2000. | 01:41 |
| ShadowJK | "By the end of 1993, over a million subscribers were using GSM phone networks being operated by 70 carriers across 48 countries." | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | meh | 01:41 |
| luke-jr | maybe that was when the cell company was begging my dad to upgrade to a phone that supported more than analog... | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks | 01:42 |
| FauxFaux | 5110. | 01:42 |
| * Arkenoi bought my first cellphone 16 years ago and it was not gsm | 01:42 | |
| technomike | luke-jr - Yeah, we should have solar panels in phones similar to what calculators have | 01:42 |
| luke-jr | I was 10 in 1995 | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | :p | 01:43 |
| kerio | i was three | 01:43 |
| kerio | :o | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | ... | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | holy crap | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | are 1992 babies 18 now? | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | where did the time go? -.- | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, fair game eh | 01:43 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I have no fair game :( | 01:44 |
| FauxFaux | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_5190 "Variants" section, first sentence, tee hee. | 01:44 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.reghardware.com/2007/11/09/ft_nokia_1011/ "15 years ago: the first mass-produced GSM phone" | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | I was older in 1990 than you are today :-P | 01:44 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: sorry, i'll get off your lawn now | 01:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | kerio: not you, luke-jr :-P | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | ouch | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wait, not kerio, but me? | 01:45 |
| luke-jr | how is that even remotely possible? | 01:45 |
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| kerio | luke-jr: he rolled over the spacetime | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | does that mean it takes 15 years per 2 generations? | 01:46 |
| luke-jr | that's kinda slow | 01:46 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: i'm jounger than luke-jr btw | 01:47 |
| * luke-jr now has a 2-year-old in his head for kerio's persona | 01:47 | |
| luke-jr | FWIW | 01:47 |
| kerio | luke-jr: that's not exactly far from the truth | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: yeah, I learned adding and substracting in scool without any electonic calculator, so I know when you both are born and ho old you are today | 01:48 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 01:48 |
| kerio | huh... it's not a merit, and i did too, so... | 01:49 |
| kerio | well, actually i learned how to add and subtract before going to school | 01:49 |
| technomike | I am trying to find more widgets for my N900 homescreens. | 01:49 |
| joga | my bro taught add/subtract before I went to school :) | 01:49 |
| kerio | but that's not the point here | 01:49 |
| luke-jr | kerio: it is, you just don't knwo it | 01:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | seems you misinterpreted the "not you" - it was just referring to whom the original statement was targeted, not at whom it's true or false | 01:53 |
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| luke-jr | -A OUTPUT -o gprs+ -j TMOBILE | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | -A TMOBILE -p tcp -m multiport --dports 80,443,6667 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 1211 | 01:56 |
| luke-jr | wee | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | so s/kerio: not you, luke-jr :-P/yes, you too kerio, but I meant luke-jr/ | 01:56 |
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| Macer | you are forwarding over gprs ? hah | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | ... | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | no | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: you are on acid? | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | I am taking any attempts to connect to ports 80,443,6667 over GPRS, and redirecting them to localhost:1211 | 01:57 |
| luke-jr | localhost:1211 runs transocks which in turn tunnels the connection over SOCKS (over SSH) | 01:58 |
| Macer | uhm | 01:58 |
| Macer | good luck witht hat | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | T-Mobile blocks ports 80 and 443 | 01:58 |
| luke-jr | and FreeNode has T-Mobile K-lined | 01:58 |
| Macer | uhm | 01:58 |
| Macer | i use freenode on my n900 all the time with tmob | 01:58 |
| FauxFaux | Or, y'know, ssh to a screen session. | 01:58 |
| Macer | yeah. i usually just ssh to my shell box | 01:59 |
| Macer | heh | 01:59 |
| kerio | luke-jr: oh, it's not to use your free dns tunnel? | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: those suckers | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | FauxFaux: that doesn't work for 80,443 | 01:59 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: no, T-Mobile blocks DNS lookups of dashjr.org :( | 01:59 |
| kerio | hahaha | 01:59 |
| kerio | er | 01:59 |
| Macer | er | 01:59 |
| kerio | i'm deeply sorry for you | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: luke-jr: prolly not t-mo but the NAT you're behind is klined | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: they want me to use their "smart" proxy | 01:59 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah, the T-Mobile NAT | 02:00 |
| Macer | how odd.. yeah i suppose it does use a smart phone proxy | 02:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, and Macer has a different one | 02:00 |
| luke-jr | ofc | 02:01 |
| Macer | heh. that is odd | 02:01 |
| Macer | i've never run into weird issues like that luke-jr | 02:01 |
| Macer | quit spamming from your phone :-P | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | ain't me. | 02:01 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: want a native xrandr btw? | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | not me, DrGrov | 02:02 |
| smhar | it seems that the best way -for beginners- to learn and develop for the N900, that will work with both maemo and meego is Python+QT . so any good starting resources to help me with that? | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | me too | 02:02 |
| luke-jr | smhar: nonsense, just use plain Qt | 02:02 |
| Macer | smhar: yes. ditch the maemo dev and just do meego | 02:02 |
| kerio | smhar: python tutorial, for starters | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | just if it really works, of course :-P | 02:02 |
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| Macer | maemo is a "dead os" | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: that's BS | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | Nokia-N900:~# /media/gentoo/usr/bin/xrandr --output LCD --rotate left | 02:03 |
| luke-jr | /media/gentoo/usr/bin/xrandr: relocation error: /media/gentoo/usr/bin/xrandr: symbol __isoc99_sscanf, version GLIBC_2.7 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference | 02:03 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: that's not what i was told yesterday :) | 02:03 |
| DrGrov | luke-jr: yes, i would like a native xrandr | 02:04 |
| smhar | I do not care about which one is dead now. I have an N900 and I plan to use it for a long time, if maemo is what it will run it, I want to learn developing for it | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | DrGrov: might require a chroot :D | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: for any topic of 'learning to program' it is | 02:04 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: :) fair point. i'm just saying .. how many people are left developing for MS-DOS? | 02:04 |
| luke-jr | Macer: FreeDOS! | 02:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 02:05 | |
| Macer | i hear qbasic is going to take control of the industry... but i could be wrong :) | 02:05 |
| luke-jr | I have Visual Basic for DOS somewhere around here... | 02:05 |
| Macer | luke-jr: well. and i guess windows 3.1 would be wine? | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | how many MS-DOS programs will run on a contemporary platform, by merely recompiling them | 02:05 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: oh i'm sure a lot. but my point was that he will just waste time looking into the past | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | and really, that doesn't fit | 02:06 |
| DrGrov | luke-jr: oh damn, that is not too good then... | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: that's BS | 02:06 |
| Macer | i suppose you may be able to find a place that will hire an os/2 developer to work on ATMs | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | learning QT is learning QT, no matter if maemo, meego or even BuntKuh | 02:07 |
| Macer | but they are moving off os/2 and ecomstation | 02:07 |
| smhar | docscrutinizer, could we be serious here please :-) so what about my question? I downloaded diveintopython and it seems like a great book, but nothing specific to N900 and no gui stuff | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | or Windows or Mac or KDE | 02:07 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: that is also a fair point.. but.... | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | or GNOME even | 02:07 |
| Macer | better to work on the os that won't be dead | 02:07 |
| luke-jr | smhar: Python sucks | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | and maemo is as dead as win-vista is for / | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | 7 | 02:07 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: 6 months and dropped? :) i'm sure there will be some people that will support it but far and few | 02:08 |
| Macer | just like maemo4 after the n900 came out | 02:08 |
| Macer | or after it was decided m5 wouldn't run on n8x0 hardware | 02:08 |
| Macer | so do you stay developing for something that won't be around anymore or try to work on something that will? | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | I gotta admit, now that I've seen M5, I don't think I'd put up with M4 :p | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: I'm feeling tired by answering your just-beneath-the-point statements | 02:09 |
| luke-jr | N810 is strictly Gentoo to me now | 02:09 |
| Macer | DocScrutinizer: well. most of them were statements :) only a couple of questions thrown in there. i'm just being honest | 02:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you're just wrong | 02:10 |
| Macer | that is a matter of interpretation | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | meego is compatible to maemo | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least that's what was told to me | 02:10 |
| smhar | I still did not get an answer! and you guys are fighting over what??!! | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | just recompile and done. So how could maemo be 'dead' for learning purposes?? | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | smhar: welcome to the wonderful world of free software | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: your answer is: learn python, learn QT | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | smhar: argue is all we REALLY do | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 02:11 |
| smhar | I probably need to ask again tomorrow when people are calmer :-) | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: or just learn Qt... | 02:11 |
| Macer | smhar: qt is qt ;) | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | smhar: Qt has very good docs | 02:11 |
| luke-jr | or used to | 02:12 |
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| luke-jr | I hear Nokia screwed it up | 02:12 |
| asj | smhar: what's your question exactly? | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | w/ some Javadoc nonsense | 02:12 |
| asj | luke-jr: stop talking out of your ass :) | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | asj: keyword : I hear | 02:12 |
| luke-jr | as in, that's what some guy in another channel said earlier today | 02:12 |
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| smhar | asj, good resources to learn developing for N900 now and the near future, (maemo+meego) , which I believe python and qt. so what good resources are there to help beginners .. begin ? :-) | 02:13 |
| asj | luke-jr: as heard by a trusted random guy on irc, always the best quality sources | 02:13 |
| luke-jr | I never said I trusted him | 02:13 |
| luke-jr | smhar: why the obsession with Python? | 02:14 |
| luke-jr | just use Qt | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://qt.nokia.com/ | 02:14 |
| asj | smhar: well, just learn the language, you said you had a book, that's the right place to start | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | smhar: ^^^ | 02:15 |
| asj | smhar: once you have the basics of python down, then learn the python+qt bindings, which will give you a ui. Though, I'm not sure how well they work on maemo since qt 4.6+maemo has some custom patches in it. | 02:15 |
| Shapeshifter | smhar: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/ | 02:16 |
| Shapeshifter | best intro imo | 02:16 |
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| smhar | luke-jr, because I am doing it for fun, not pro, and I do not have much time to spend on learning a difficult language, so python seemed logical | 02:18 |
| Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect | 02:18 |
| smhar | Shapeshifter, asj, docscrutinizer, thanks, I will do that | 02:19 |
| luke-jr | smhar: Python is more difficult than Qt | 02:20 |
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| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: since when is Qt a language? | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: 4.0? | 02:20 |
| Shapeshifter | and why are the two even comparable. | 02:20 |
| Shapeshifter | qtscript you mean? | 02:20 |
| luke-jr | no | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | Qt | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | based on C++ | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | and mostly compatible with | 02:21 |
| SpComb | C++ is very, very difficult | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | but Qt is not | 02:21 |
| Shapeshifter | I don't see how Qt is a language. | 02:21 |
| SpComb | you /might/ squeeze by without a proper understanding, but at some point you'll hit a brick wall with e.g. pointers, and it's downhill from there | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: the same way C++ is a language | 02:21 |
| Shapeshifter | it's C++ | 02:21 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: then C++ is C | 02:22 |
| asj | C++ has no reason to be difficult, and if you have problems with pointers go back to grade school | 02:22 |
| Shapeshifter | no. | 02:22 |
| SpComb | Qt = C++ with some MOC magic | 02:22 |
| luke-jr | Qt is to C++ what C++ is to C | 02:22 |
| SpComb | asj: C++ has many reasons to be difficult | 02:22 |
| asj | SpComb: it's only as difficult as you choose to make it | 02:22 |
| SpComb | that's true, but it's inenvitable that you'll eventually run into something that isn't so fun | 02:23 |
| asj | you run into something that isn't fun in any language | 02:23 |
| luke-jr | C++ has its own syntax (of which C is a subset) and standard library | 02:23 |
| luke-jr | Qt has its own syntax (of which C++ is a subset) and standard library | 02:23 |
| asj | luke-jr: that's pure bull :) | 02:24 |
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| SpComb | quite, but it's more fun to criticize C++ | 02:24 |
| derf | Yes. C is not a subset of C++. | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | derf: the syntax is | 02:24 |
| smhar | my God, what have I started !! :-) | 02:24 |
| asj | luke-jr: the same argument could be made that any library with a #defines creates a new language. The use of cpp does not constitute a new language. | 02:24 |
| derf | Go compile something with struct foo { int class; }; | 02:24 |
| luke-jr | asj: the use of moc does | 02:25 |
| angasule | smhar: mention java, emacs, vim and bunny slippers and you'll be done :) | 02:25 |
| luke-jr | or, in C++'s case, cfc or whatever it was | 02:25 |
| asj | luke-jr: moc is only slightly different than cpp, it's a helper | 02:25 |
| Shapeshifter | smhar: don't listen to this maniac. <3 python <3 | 02:25 |
| angasule | luke-jr: CFCs are banned worldwide, that's how bad they are! | 02:25 |
| kerio | angasule: i want to use emacs to write a vim clone in java called bunny slippers! | 02:25 |
| smhar | angasule, oh, I had a question about vim in mind but good that you told me this :-0 | 02:26 |
| smhar | :-) | 02:26 |
| luke-jr | asj: then C++ is not a language either | 02:26 |
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| asj | luke-jr: <boggle> :) | 02:26 |
| jaem_n900 | 'Afternoon | 02:26 |
| angasule | kerio: that probably exists, there is a variant of rule 34 which has emacs instead of pr0n | 02:26 |
| luke-jr | C++ was originally implemented with just a preprocessor like moc | 02:26 |
| kerio | heh | 02:26 |
| kerio | ok, i call rule 34 on emacs/vim slash | 02:27 |
| angasule | kerio: have you seen the embedded google maps in emacs? | 02:27 |
| asj | luke-jr: unix also ran on a pdp-11, but that doesn't make an n900 a pdp-11 :) | 02:27 |
| luke-jr | asj: terrible logic | 02:27 |
| asj | (ignoring the fact that linux isn't unix) | 02:27 |
| luke-jr | there is nothing C++ changes of C that Qt doesn't also change of C++ | 02:28 |
| asj | luke-jr: bzzt, try again | 02:28 |
| jaem_n900 | What are we arguing about? | 02:28 |
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| luke-jr | jaem_n900: asj is just claiming Qt isn't a language | 02:28 |
| Shapeshifter | "Is Qt a programming language" | 02:28 |
| asj | jaem_n900: emacs is better than vi | 02:28 |
| angasule | jaem_n900: anything and everything, apparently | 02:28 |
| angasule | asj: but vim is better than emacs! | 02:29 |
| kerio | haha wtf M-x google-maps | 02:29 |
| smhar | is maemo dead | 02:29 |
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| dotblank | smhar, No! | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | Maemo is dead, but hasn't begun rotting yet | 02:29 |
| luke-jr | :P | 02:29 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: Nah I don't see how Qt qualifies as a "language". It's a framework that uses C++ <and other stuff> but you can hardly claim a framework that uses different languages is a new language. | 02:29 |
| dotblank | it lives on | 02:29 |
| peb | folks, why can't I run MS-DOS on the N900? I learned to program for it and I'm still able to write programs for the OS even sleeping ... | 02:30 |
| smhar | I mean that as additional flame to the arguments going on :-0 | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: then C++ is merely a framework on top of C | 02:30 |
| dotblank | its zombie children have infected meego | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | peb: dunno, works for me! | 02:30 |
| jaem_n900 | peb, you can | 02:30 |
| asj | peb: the N900 has no disks, so it can't run dos ;) | 02:30 |
| smhar | peb, there is a dosbox emulator for N900 | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | heck, even my N810 runs DOS fine | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | peb cause ms dos was never buolt for arm, and you can qemu | 02:30 |
| luke-jr | MohammadAG51: ??? | 02:30 |
| peb | ajs, the HP200lx also has no disk (everything in ram/rom), so it should be possible .... | 02:30 |
| kerio | peb: apt-get install dosbox | 02:30 |
| b-man | MohammadAG51: got dsme working like a charm in debian :) | 02:30 |
| b-man | MohammadAG51: no longer need watchdog packages | 02:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man, heh | 02:31 |
| b-man | MohammadAG51: i tried it in ubuntu | 02:31 |
| luke-jr | oh, you're righty | 02:31 |
| luke-jr | there is no DOS port to ARM | 02:31 |
| b-man | but i still had no luck | 02:31 |
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| luke-jr | odd | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | b-man, i'll test it tomorrow | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | no charged batteries for tonight | 02:32 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: let's ask them | 02:32 |
| angasule | kerio: I can't find it now, but someone did that in vim too | 02:32 |
| Shapeshifter | http://qt.nokia.com/products | 02:32 |
| Shapeshifter | let's see... | 02:32 |
| Shapeshifter | "Intuitive C++ class library" | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: no, Nokia are idiots :P | 02:32 |
| luke-jr | as were the Trolls | 02:32 |
| Shapeshifter | there's a link to "development tools" | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | or rather, they're too good at marketting | 02:33 |
| Shapeshifter | "An advanced C++ code editor" | 02:33 |
| Shapeshifter | mhhh | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | they know "innovative new language" won't sell like "C++ toolkit" | 02:33 |
| kerio | since when is C++ intuitive? | 02:33 |
| peb | folks, thanks for the answers. I was making fun and feld transfered back to the time when we discussed why C is better than C++. The quesiton was, how to start programming for the N900. Summary seems to be: Python, QT. | 02:33 |
| Shapeshifter | let's go to "programming support" | 02:33 |
| Shapeshifter | "Qt provides an intuitive C++ class library with a rich set of application build blocks for C++ development" | 02:33 |
| b-man | luke-jr: i think the udev problem has to do with sysfs legacy support | 02:33 |
| Shapeshifter | Qt adds the following features to C++: stuff | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: it's all marketting :) | 02:33 |
| kerio | now python, that's an intuitive language | 02:33 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: oh okay | 02:33 |
| Shapeshifter | you must know | 02:33 |
| b-man | luke-jr: in ubuntu | 02:33 |
| luke-jr | b-man: ... | 02:34 |
| peb | msg peb <-- starts of and searches his old COBOL binaries, they shall run on the N900 ... | 02:34 |
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| asj | luke-jr: if everyone but you is an idiot, maybe.... ;) | 02:34 |
| luke-jr | what does C++ have that Qt does not? | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | two +s and a C | 02:34 |
| lcuk | peb, doesnt gcc support cobol? | 02:35 |
| asj | luke-jr: what does C have that glibc does not? | 02:35 |
| jaem_n900 | MohammadAG51, correct, but entirely unhelpful | 02:35 |
| jaem_n900 | You get two Internets and a demerit | 02:35 |
| luke-jr | asj: glibc is [part of] an implementation of C | 02:35 |
| Shapeshifter | luke-jr: well, according to your logic, a car is also a wheel | 02:35 |
| Shapeshifter | because it has wheels | 02:35 |
| asj | luke-jr: it does not implement C | 02:35 |
| b-man | luke-jr: i think the watchdog problem had something to do udev which complains about sysfs legacy support in ubuntu (sorry for not being clear - trying to do two things at once atm ;P) | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol jaem_n900 | 02:36 |
| asj | actually that's probably slightly wrong, but anyways | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | Shapeshifter: uh no, that's YOUR logic | 02:36 |
| luke-jr | you're saying a car (Qt) is also a wheel (C++) | 02:37 |
| Shapeshifter | no | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | lame argument | 02:37 |
| Shapeshifter | that's what you say | 02:37 |
| Shapeshifter | lol | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | nope | 02:37 |
| * MohammadAG51 throws away popcorn | 02:37 | |
| Shapeshifter | xD | 02:37 |
| luke-jr | anyhow, time for me to go | 02:37 |
| * kerio catches the popcorn | 02:37 | |
| kerio | whew | 02:37 |
| * MohammadAG51 laughs at the acid spilling on kerio from it | 02:38 | |
| b-man | LOL | 02:38 |
| kerio | i have acid resistance | 02:38 |
| lcuk | so does internet explorer 6 | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | my acid is acid resistance resistant | 02:38 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: i also have acid resistance resistant acid resistance | 02:39 |
| * asj beats kerio | 02:39 | |
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| MohammadAG51 | but you didn't have that on kerio | 02:39 |
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| * MohammadAG51 passes around non-free popcorn to everyone in #maemo | 02:40 | |
| * lcuk puts a bag of open source popcorn into autobuilder :P | 02:41 | |
| * kerio forks that popcorn | 02:41 | |
| * MohammadAG51 sees the autobuilder choking on a kernel then segfaulting | 02:42 | |
| * lcuk resubmits after bumping popcorn version | 02:42 | |
| kerio | wtf? i built the last popcorn here and it worked | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | shut up, you died cause of acidified popcorn | 02:44 |
| kerio | hrmpf | 02:44 |
| kerio | man, the respawn times are looooong | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | you can make zombie/ghost sounds if you want | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | respawn is disabled in map: real life | 02:45 |
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| MohammadAG51 | gnite | 02:46 |
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| DrGrov | Guys, what was that bug number for the failed call forwarding? | 02:58 |
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| lcuk | wiretapped, isnt that comment meant to be on twitter in context :P | 03:01 |
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| lcuk | im sat here with half a spec | 03:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: what's up with that bq24150 module in your buntkuh image?? | 03:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | Hadn't realised quite how hungry 3G was. Discharging in 4h or so plugged into USB. (streaming video) | 04:02 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: between video decode, screen backlight and 3g... | 04:05 |
| SpeedEvil | naah - streaming over USB | 04:05 |
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| asj | ah, charging over usb too? | 04:06 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 04:06 |
| asj | damn | 04:06 |
| Arkenoi | installing dbus-switchboard was a mistake, it ruined most useful associations and replaced it with useless ones. | 04:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yep, the figure of 3G = wlan * 3 is more like * 30 | 04:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - I was meaning worstcase maxing each | 04:14 |
| SpeedEvil | Which of course for the same datarate, powersaved, wlan would not. | 04:15 |
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| yigal | Bunin and lootin tonight | 04:54 |
| yigal | Bunin and lootin tonight | 04:54 |
| yigal | to survive | 04:54 |
| yigal | bunin all illusions tonight | 04:54 |
| * LiraNuna takes out the disco ball | 04:54 | |
| yigal | I'm drunk let me be, :( | 04:54 |
| yigal | oh I see you're helping, sweet | 04:55 |
| LiraNuna | \:D/ | 04:55 |
| yigal | ya man | 04:55 |
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| Macer | those are some pretty awesome machines they used to cap that oil leak :) | 05:00 |
| SpeedEvil | They were really disposable mexicans. | 05:00 |
| yigal | whales, dolphins, etc | 05:01 |
| yigal | mostly Mexicans | 05:01 |
| Macer | hahaha | 05:01 |
| Macer | you would think bp would have worked to train some dolphins | 05:01 |
| Macer | :) | 05:01 |
| Macer | dolphins are pretty smart. i bet they would have capped it in 10 minutes | 05:02 |
| Macer | and saved the lives of all the people on the rig | 05:02 |
| Macer | well. the ones that got blown overboard at least | 05:03 |
| yigal | Douglas Adams would agree | 05:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | The problem is that where is the incentive for the dolphins. | 05:04 |
| SpeedEvil | They like fried food. | 05:04 |
| Macer | fried fish! | 05:04 |
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| yigal | at least it's oily | 05:05 |
| yigal | :D | 05:05 |
| yigal | was that too uncouth | 05:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | I for one welcome our new Dolphin overlords. | 05:15 |
| pigeon | hmm, seems to have a bug with modest + nokia messaging when you have extra folder sync other the main inbox, clicking on the new mail notification always bring up a fail dialog saying the mail does not exist or something. | 05:18 |
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| yigal | what an existential moment | 05:19 |
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| ColdFyre | is it me or is the application manager in pr 1.2 slow and does not sort things properly? | 05:27 |
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| asj | ColdFyre: install Fast Application Manager | 05:35 |
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| sobczyk | asj: what is the package name of this app manager? | 05:43 |
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| asj | sobczyk: don't know off the top of my head | 05:44 |
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| asj | ah mn, fapman | 05:44 |
| asj | it's slow on first load, but it's great after that | 05:45 |
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| pigeon | hmm, stupid question, in the n900 calender, there are categories/colors like N900 (blue) and Private (green). Where do I add new ones or edit them? | 05:52 |
| ColdFyre | fapman | 05:52 |
| ColdFyre | so many jokes could be made | 05:52 |
| SpeedEvil | And ahve been. | 05:53 |
| asj | pigeon: calendar->settings->Edit Cal | 05:53 |
| pigeon | ah, settings, edit calendar. | 05:53 |
| pigeon | asj: thanks | 05:53 |
| pigeon | i saw it first, it wasn't obvious what that was. | 05:53 |
| yigal | well you're king of the mountain you found it first, but your reign means nothing as you didn't understand the wealth you had discovered | 05:55 |
| yigal | ough I'm the show stopper, my apologies | 05:57 |
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| Pforce | my dropbox client http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3589544/DropN900/dropn900-16-7-2010.png | 06:52 |
| Pforce | o/ | 06:52 |
| Pforce | i still have to learn py dep packaging to get these into extras-devel | 06:53 |
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| asj | Pforce: looks cool | 07:06 |
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| Pforce | asj: yeh thanks | 07:35 |
| Pforce | posted more to the maemo.org forums | 07:36 |
| Pforce | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753509#post753509 | 07:36 |
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| RST38h | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0715/doctor-cheney-pulse-heart-operation/ | 07:54 |
| * RST38h moos approvingly | 07:54 | |
| Stskeeps | moo | 07:55 |
| asj | he might be a Dick, but I feel sorry for him | 07:55 |
| RST38h | Why, they are simply making his construction complete. | 07:56 |
| RST38h | Heya Stskeeps, wazd | 07:56 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: quick, compile fb_text2screen! | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: cyborg cheney | 07:59 |
| slonopotamus | ~ping | 08:00 |
| infobot | ~pong | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: 7am, not working yet | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:01 |
| slonopotamus | meh | 08:01 |
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| TermanaN900 | yay its come. i am officially a sheep | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | TermanaN900: congrats! | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: ping | 08:51 |
| Macer | a sheep? | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: pong | 08:51 |
| TermanaN900 | Stskeeps: thanks! certainly smaller than i thought especially the keyboard | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: we don't have cpu frequency scaling in 2.6.35 and such do we | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | in n8x0 | 08:51 |
| luke-jr | dunno :x | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | my N810 is booted to diablo right now | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | and I'm kinda setup fro N900 kernel stuff atm | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: because i just figured the other day that we might actually be running at lowest cpufreq - at least my kernel has a empty cpufreq directory | 08:52 |
| luke-jr | lol | 08:52 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: and i think there's no DVFS, which doesn't help matters.. | 08:53 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: what are the current problems w/ kexec btw? | 08:53 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: on n900? there's some weird interaction with panel driver that causes dss2 to go amok with dmesg output | 08:54 |
| luke-jr | :o | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | in case of reinitialization | 08:55 |
| luke-jr | any idea if it's safe to install my new kernel via dd to /dev/mtd3 (with offset 0x800) | 08:56 |
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| * luke-jr peers at N900's included flasher app... | 08:58 | |
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| luke-jr | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. | 08:58 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: was just pondering the idea of a specialized kernel with bootmenu rootfs, that's all :p | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | you are aware we have initrd on n900? | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | self-contained etc | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | I'm aware a partition exists. I'm not aware of it being used... | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | it works, we have a rescue initrd thing | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | O.o | 09:00 |
| luke-jr | *now* someone tells me, after I fought with recovery the other day... XD | 09:01 |
| peb | morning folks :-) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | ended up getting a kernel to boot Gentoo (for the first time) from where I fixed Maemo | 09:01 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: can it rescue a broken /sbin/preinit? :p | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | possibly, but more functionality needed :P | 09:02 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: why not just make a single kernel image with the rootfs embedded? | 09:02 |
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| Stskeeps | initrd's easier | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:03 |
| luke-jr | I disagree :P | 09:03 |
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| TermanaN900 | installing apps is a lot faster on the n900 than the n810 | 09:04 |
| TermanaN900 | i should probably stop because i will need to flash to pr 1.2 | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | ... | 09:05 |
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| luke-jr | I find N900 app manager rather slow | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | but whatever | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | compared to gentoo compiles? | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | I flashed my kernel | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: no :p | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | potentially interesting fact: I flashed a custom kernel to N900 before N810 | 09:05 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | compared to rpm and what i've seen zypper do, app manager/apt is dead slow | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | apt isn't slow... | 09:06 |
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| luke-jr | just app manager | 09:06 |
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| luke-jr | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1-gcc44 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jul 15 16:28:33 CDT 2010 armv7l unknown | 09:06 |
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| Macer | heh | 09:15 |
| TermanaN900 | luke-jr: my n810 sits there for at least 10 minutes saying its updating and doing nothing | 09:15 |
| Macer | i think it is slow too | 09:15 |
| TermanaN900 | the n900 goes straight in for me | 09:15 |
| pigeon | on the n900, if i have the gps enabled in the settings, but no apps is using the gps, is the gps powered off? | 09:16 |
| luke-jr | pigeon: if the GPS isn't in the status area, it's off | 09:17 |
| pigeon | cool, thanks. | 09:17 |
| Macer | the gps seems a little meh | 09:17 |
| Macer | like geotagging photos for me doesnt seem to work that well | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | geotagging is kinda shit | 09:18 |
| Macer | it also seems to take forever for a lock | 09:18 |
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| Macer | and ovi maps is kind of horrible | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | i bought sygic, fairly happy with it | 09:19 |
| Macer | believe it or not. google nav was awesome on my g1 | 09:19 |
| Macer | :) | 09:19 |
| Macer | it did a great job | 09:19 |
| luke-jr | there | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | 16 line shell script to force all outbound connections on port 80, 443, or 6667 over GPRS into a SOCKS proxy | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | (also spawns ssh with -D) | 09:20 |
| luke-jr | unfortunately, I am learning why T-Mobile claims they don't have service here | 09:21 |
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| luke-jr | coverage kinda sucks | 09:21 |
| luke-jr | and today when I had 3.5G, it didn't work well enough for SIP :( | 09:22 |
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| Macer | no. it is because what you are doing doesnt work | 09:22 |
| Macer | skype works pretty good over 3G | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | Macer: it works fine at home | 09:22 |
| Macer | liar! | 09:22 |
| luke-jr | just not with T-Mobile's not so great coverage out and about | 09:22 |
| Macer | :) | 09:22 |
| Macer | going to install meego next week and see where it is | 09:23 |
| Macer | i suppose all that matters is that nokia provides the hardware support and ditches maemo altogether | 09:24 |
| Macer | :) | 09:24 |
| LiraNuna | <Macer> skype works pretty good over 3G | 09:24 |
| LiraNuna | <3 | 09:24 |
| Macer | after the n900 they probably will only use qt based symbian for all their stuff | 09:24 |
| Macer | LiraNuna: yeah. it is great | 09:25 |
| LiraNuna | SF bay area is flooded with 3.5G, but all I get is ~100kbps | 09:25 |
| Macer | i used like 10 mins of actual phone minutes last month :) | 09:25 |
| LiraNuna | Macer, yeah, same | 09:25 |
| Macer | i am wondering how long that will last | 09:26 |
| LiraNuna | I love the skype integration | 09:26 |
| LiraNuna | Macer, you just took the words out of my mouth | 09:26 |
| Macer | im sure tmob will screw everybody over soon enough | 09:26 |
| Macer | heh | 09:26 |
| Macer | i was happy it grabbed all my skype contacts | 09:26 |
| LiraNuna | I was thinking more of Meego | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: actually they are ditching symbian on anything N-series for meego | 09:26 |
| Macer | that was a surprise | 09:26 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: so they say :) | 09:27 |
| * Macer looks at the N8 | 09:27 | |
| LiraNuna | N8 is last to use Symbian | 09:27 |
| Macer | i will believe it when i see it :) | 09:27 |
| Macer | symbian looks nice tho | 09:28 |
| Macer | the n8 symbian does | 09:28 |
| Macer | they changed it quite a bit | 09:28 |
| luke-jr | Skype sucks | 09:29 |
| Macer | luke-jr: to each their own. i love it | 09:30 |
| Macer | $2/month for phone service suits me | 09:30 |
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| Macer | i mean. it is voice :) as long as i can talk i am happy | 09:30 |
| Macer | i even got the house cordless handsets a couple of years ago | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | then get a dumb phone | 09:31 |
| Macer | when vonage is making people pay $25+ for what skype offers | 09:31 |
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| Macer | what a racket | 09:31 |
| luke-jr | Vonage is just a leech | 09:31 |
| Macer | so is skype | 09:32 |
| Macer | hahaha | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | yes, Skype leeches from YOU | 09:32 |
| Macer | but i dont care. i pay $2/month | 09:32 |
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| luke-jr | Vonage leeches from you too, but a bit more obviously | 09:32 |
| Macer | haha | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | Macer: $2/mo + giving skype control of your computer | 09:32 |
| Macer | er | 09:32 |
| Macer | of my n900? | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | yes | 09:32 |
| luke-jr | Skype is a virus | 09:32 |
| Macer | and cordless phones? | 09:32 |
| Macer | lol | 09:32 |
| Macer | ok | 09:32 |
| Macer | the phones have a base that connects right into my switch | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | though I presume N900 version is minus the virus part | 09:33 |
| luke-jr | Macer: packet sniff it | 09:33 |
| Macer | :) i can deal with the base being infected | 09:33 |
| Macer | haha | 09:33 |
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| luke-jr | normal Skype at least will hijack your connection | 09:33 |
| Macer | and do what? | 09:34 |
| Macer | send spam? :) | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | and use your paid for bandwidth | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | for other people's calls | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | and who knows what else | 09:34 |
| luke-jr | nobody since Skype encrypts it all | 09:34 |
| Macer | lol | 09:34 |
| Macer | mmmmmkay | 09:34 |
| Macer | well. i am not noticing any extra pkts | 09:35 |
| Macer | and i watched my ddwrt charts.. traffic is normal | 09:35 |
| * luke-jr ponders stuffing telepathy-spirit into a VE | 09:35 | |
| luke-jr | Macer: like I said, telepathy-spirit is presumably not vulnerable | 09:35 |
| Macer | and for $2/month.. they can take a measley 64kbit of bandwidth | 09:35 |
| Macer | lol | 09:35 |
| luke-jr | Nokia's not dumb enough to let Skype hijack 3G connections IMO | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | 64kbit is quite a bit when your ISP caps you at 5 GB | 09:36 |
| luke-jr | even 56kbit dialup can do over 5 GB | 09:36 |
| Kegetys | it would be quite crazy if mobile skype would do that | 09:37 |
| luke-jr | my guess: Skype collects royalties from Nokia for a virus-free integrated version | 09:38 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ping | 10:12 |
| jacekowski | morning | 10:14 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: are you there? | 10:14 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: where is the spec? | 10:14 |
| nadley | morning | 10:15 |
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| wazd | RST38h: o/ | 10:28 |
| Termana | Heh, maybe its just me - but is there a reason why the N900 sometimes won't charge with the power cable but will with the usb cable? | 10:29 |
| doc|home | buggered power cable? | 10:30 |
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| Termana | doc|home, only got it today, so I hope not | 10:30 |
| doc|home | Termana: what colour is the led when you plug it in? | 10:31 |
| Termana | doc|home, no led colour | 10:31 |
| X-Fade | Termana: Original charger? | 10:31 |
| doc|home | looks like it's the charger then | 10:31 |
| Termana | X-Fade, yep | 10:31 |
| Termana | Could it not be getting enough power if its on a power board? (6 plug power board) | 10:32 |
| X-Fade | Termana: So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't? | 10:33 |
| doc|home | X-Fade: possily | 10:33 |
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| doc|home | bah, I'm not following this well enough. night | 10:34 |
| Termana | X-Fade, hmm, I think I know what the problem is | 10:34 |
| X-Fade | Termana: USB connector EOL :) | 10:35 |
| Termana | X-Fade, overseas model, so I'm using a travel charger. It seems to be loose | 10:35 |
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| Termana | X-Fade, ha ha, please do not curse me with the USB connector curse :P | 10:36 |
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| exomondo | @x-fade because the n900 uses microusb some 'dumb' charges wont negotiate a voltage so it wont charge | 10:50 |
| Jaffa | exomondo: That's because they don't follow the USB charging spec. You've got to short the middle two pins. | 10:51 |
| Jaffa | exomondo: I've bought an external portable charger (tried a few) and have to do that. Wish I could buy a stubby USB A male/female adapter cable which did that shorting. | 10:51 |
| exomondo | ah right | 10:53 |
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| RST38h | moorning. | 10:56 |
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| BCMM | Jaffa: would be cool, but in theory chargers that won't negotiate or short D+ to D- are claiming to be low-current, and presumably a few actually will destroy themselves | 11:07 |
| BCMM | it seems improbable, but i suppose you could have a very poorly designed one that could provide exactly as much current as the device it came with can draw | 11:08 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | Somebody help me please: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753613#post753613 | 11:10 |
| D-Iivil_Work | :) | 11:10 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: You should see some changelog show up for your packages soon ;) | 11:11 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, let me see :) Just uploaded a new package :) | 11:11 |
| Jaffa | BCMM: Presumably as long as you checked the output current for the charger (or its claimed output current, anyway); it should be fine... | 11:11 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, cool! | 11:11 |
| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: I'm currently running an import round against everything in extas-devel. | 11:11 |
| BCMM | Jaffa: of course | 11:11 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, thanks for fixing that :) | 11:13 |
| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, seems like still the latest upload didn't update the changes: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.107/ | 11:14 |
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| X-Fade | D-Iivil_Work: No, live update still has issues. The import will fix this later. | 11:18 |
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| D-Iivil_Work | X-Fade, okay. Cool. | 11:21 |
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| kerio | how do you disable automatic updates again? | 11:24 |
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| ham5 | gconftool -s -t int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval -NUMBERINMINUTES- | 11:45 |
| ham5 | set the minutes to check to like 90000000000 ;) | 11:45 |
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| hurbu | it over 90000000000 | 11:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: moo, sorry fell asleep | 11:52 |
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| * alterego wonders why ubuntu/gnome don't have decent bluetooth gsm modem support. | 12:22 | |
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| RZ | Hi is it just me or does the last version of maemo make N900 slower? | 12:26 |
| haj | It's just you.. | 12:28 |
| alterego | RZ just you I think :P | 12:28 |
| alterego | I found it noticably snappier, did you to OTA update of reflash? | 12:28 |
| * alterego has just woken up, excuse the poor typing/spelling etc :D | 12:29 | |
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| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: ping? | 12:33 |
| alterego | I wonder what the results of Apples crash meeting yesterday were. | 12:33 |
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| ham5 | feel asleep with my n900 woke up and it was froze I couldent get the screen on... pluged it into the charger and the charge led came on... I ended up having to remove the battery and boot it back up | 12:35 |
| ham5 | could I have done something else to reboot or find out what caused it? | 12:36 |
| mgedmin | you could've held down the power button | 12:36 |
| ham5 | dindt do anything | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | that would turn it off (or on if it was already off) | 12:37 |
| alterego | Sometimes that doesn't work, I've had mine lock a couple of times. | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | there was once a wlan bug that caused very heavy swapping, so much that turning it off took like 3 minutes | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | but it's been fixed | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | I've ssh on my n900 | 12:37 |
| mgedmin | if it's not responsive, I try to ssh in and see what's happening | 12:38 |
| ham5 | sit there and hold the power button for 3min ? | 12:38 |
| mgedmin | top, dmesg, vmstat | 12:38 |
| ham5 | thats a good idea | 12:38 |
| mgedmin | no, I think I held the power button for the required 5 secs | 12:38 |
| mgedmin | and then waited 3 minutes for it to shut down | 12:38 |
| alterego | This is more like a crash of some kind. It's especially cool when it happens in the middle of a transition :) | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | holding in power button for over 10s should work | 12:38 |
| SpeedEvil | I think 10s requires some of the watchdogs to have failed - 5s is still software | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | not completely sure though | 12:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ssh in is good | 12:39 |
| alterego | Oh, okay, I'll try to be more investigatory next time :D | 12:39 |
| ham5 | when the crap shouldent of happened in the first place tho ;) | 12:40 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 12:40 |
| ham5 | whats a good maemo uptime? ;) | 12:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I typically go a week or two | 12:40 |
| SpeedEvil | I sometimes get it into a state where it won't login to my wireless network for some reason or other | 12:41 |
| SpeedEvil | so reboot | 12:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I should in principle debug it - but ICD being in the way makes that almost impractical | 12:41 |
| ham5 | implantable cardioverter-defibrillator? | 12:42 |
| alterego | I usually reboot every two days or so | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Internet Connection Daemon | 12:42 |
| alterego | Just to keep it quick :) | 12:42 |
| SpeedEvil | It's the bit of closed-source stuff that handles connections | 12:42 |
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| Myrtti | ohai | 12:49 |
| T-Co | Hello. (I didn't google yet anything) I did apt-get dist-upgrade to my N900 and now it keeps rebooting. Is there something I can do to recover from this? | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Flash it. | 12:50 |
| ham5 | reflash | 12:50 |
| T-Co | Do I need windows to do it? | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ~flashing | 12:50 |
| T-Co | Awesome. | 12:50 |
| infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 12:50 |
| T-Co | Thanks. | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | np | 12:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Dist-upgrade is usually bad AIUI | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | It sometimes has worked in the past | 12:51 |
| SpeedEvil | But the boot scripts are not designed to be robust in the face of changing versions forex | 12:51 |
| T-Co | oh | 12:52 |
| RZ | #alterego It was updated for me in factory in Finland :) | 12:55 |
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| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: ping | 13:00 |
| T-Co | It says here that I first need to flash FIASCO and then eMMC. Where can I get the FIASCO image? | 13:02 |
| ham5 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 13:03 |
| ham5 | for the n900 | 13:03 |
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| T-Co | ham5, I can only see eMMC images there, should the FIASCO image be there too? | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | yes | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | "cC#cC | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | that's fiasco image | 13:04 |
| T-Co | aha | 13:04 |
| jacekowski | does sticking n900 into an x-ray voids a warranty? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | jacekowski: airports.. | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | high powered x-ray? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | they don't have to know that | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:05 |
| alterego | Almost got my scratchbox VM setup ... | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | btw. i had question for you | 13:05 |
| jacekowski | 00:15 < jacekowski> Stskeeps: do you have mj-174? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | a what? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | no, i don't believe it's called that | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | l3_l4 manual | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | page | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | let me check | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | what is it supposed to do? | 13:06 |
| jacekowski | p29 | 13:07 |
| jacekowski | MJ-174 can be used for flashing as well as for RF, battery and system testing | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | wiki's down and i dont have it at hand | 13:07 |
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| Stskeeps | nm | 13:07 |
| alterego | They really are late with the harmattan SDK this year. | 13:08 |
| alterego | Must be doing a lot of work on it .. | 13:08 |
| Robot101 | rewriting over half of everything? :P | 13:10 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/N900_RX-51_SM_L3_4.pdf | 13:10 |
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| IcanCU | will there be a meago device this year? | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | No. | 13:16 |
| X-Fade | There won't be any 'meago' devices ever. | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | MeeGo ones, well that is more probable :) | 13:17 |
| toggles_w | what??????????/ | 13:17 |
| alterego | Hah | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, pong | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: perl-modules landed in SSU repo ;) | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | yay :D | 13:17 |
| X-Fade | I removed it from non-free. | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, thanks a mil :) | 13:18 |
| IcanCU | ok | 13:18 |
| X-Fade | Will index the repos later today, so the interface shows it properly too, | 13:18 |
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| X-Fade | But first.. lunch :) | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: 23:39 < DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: o.O (bq24150 module included in image) http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu | 13:18 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: bq24150 module included in image? | 13:19 |
| SyncA | hi all | 13:19 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: where did it came from and etc? | 13:19 |
| kthomas_vh | 'ello | 13:19 |
| IcanCU | how come this is such a busy chanel? isn;t maemo legacy? | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, matan | 13:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 13:19 |
| * kthomas_vh neglects to feed the troll | 13:19 | |
| X-Fade | IcanCU: maemo is present. Meego is future. | 13:19 |
| IcanCU | true... | 13:20 |
| IcanCU | but that doesn't explain it all | 13:20 |
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| X-Fade | IcanCU: Buy a MeeGo phone now then? | 13:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: 42 | 13:20 |
| lcuk | 42 what? | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | IcanCU: 42 | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | bottles of beer on the wall? | 13:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry etab | 13:21 |
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| * lcuk inserts a small frals in DocScrutinizer's ear | 13:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so are we going to care about matan? | 13:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | or do we say 'screwit, google couldn't find it' | 13:23 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: is gnome usable on the n900? | 13:23 |
| SyncA | I have this problem where half the time I end up rejecting calls because the screen flips and I accidently push the wrong button, wich appears where the answer button normally sits. can anybody relate? | 13:24 |
| toggles_w | lol, me too | 13:24 |
| kerio | SyncA: i don't receive calls | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | SyncA: there is/was an open bug on that. | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, yes, when the mouse pointer works properly | 13:25 |
| SyncA | kerio lol | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | But for me the existing solution works exactly 100% of the time. | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | For all 1 of my inbound calls. | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | I sometimes reach for the red button | 13:25 |
| SyncA | speedevil, ok thanks, can/should I contribute to that? | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: as you receive exactly 0 calls | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh 1 | 13:26 |
| SyncA | and that existing solution is? | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SyncA: patience | 13:26 |
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| jacekowski | matan? | 13:26 |
| jacekowski | what'a matan? | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SyncA: anticipate the pending transition, and wait until it finished | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | i backported the new hildon-desktop | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: exactly :-P | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | it fixes some call rotation crap | 13:27 |
| kerio | or set the telephone to "landscape only" | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | what if you're using portrait :P | 13:27 |
| kerio | set it to portrait only | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | what if you're using landscape :P | 13:28 |
| SyncA | docs indeed, I try to, doesn't work all the time;) | 13:28 |
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| SyncA | what if you want it to switch? ;) | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | SyncA: so let's go UX-guys-bashing | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/n900/bq27x00_battery.c | 13:29 |
| jacekowski | i could mod that and use that for fuel gauge | 13:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes, there should've been send/end buttons | 13:29 |
| SyncA | I'm not the bashing type of guy | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: err wut? | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | caveat with that code is that the battery instastantaenous current is reported in units of 3.57/20mA | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | and it only breaks out raw percentage, not more useful figures | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 13:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | how odd | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | you want at least capacity | 13:31 |
| RZ | What happened to the game Under the steel sky? | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | well, i still need charger chip driver | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | so i'll do that | 13:31 |
| jacekowski | and then bother about fuel gauge | 13:31 |
| kerio | RZ: it sucks | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf, go openmoko sourcetree and fetch the bq27000 driver there | 13:31 |
| RZ | It was in the repos and now it is missing. | 13:31 |
| RZ | I quite liked it. | 13:31 |
| alterego | "Under a steel sky" I realy liked it. | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i've enabled comments on my "blog" | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | and now i regret it | 13:32 |
| alterego | Would prefer flashback though tbh .. | 13:32 |
| kerio | and it's not under | 13:32 |
| kerio | it's beneath | 13:32 |
| kerio | beneath a steel sky | 13:32 |
| alterego | Oh yeah, "Beneath a steel sky" :) | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | i want to test. | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | i want to test. | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | i need chrome | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | i need chrome | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | I want to quote your post in my blog. It can? | 13:32 |
| jacekowski | And you et an account on Twitter? | 13:32 |
| alterego | Still prefered flashback | 13:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you'd think there should be a bq24150.c driver in http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/ | 13:32 |
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| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nothing there | 13:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 13:33 |
| jacekowski | i'll make my own | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | what is a matan? anyway | 13:34 |
| RZ | Yeah sorry. It has been a a while since I last played it. I finished it but now it is missing from the repos. Together with some other programs. | 13:34 |
| jacekowski | i think it's who | 13:34 |
| SyncA | ok, gonna leave it in landscape, (it was set in portrait only mode, so that's not the solution) | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yup! wait a little. Sorry for me being late like always. you'll get the specs in a short while | 13:34 |
| SyncA | thanks guys, gonna leave you to it | 13:34 |
| SyncA | bye | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (who) no, what. on purpose | 13:35 |
| kerio | jacekowski: oh, you have a repo now | 13:35 |
| kerio | cool | 13:35 |
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| kerio | hmm | 13:36 |
| kerio | can i just apt-get remove hildon-update-notifier or something? | 13:36 |
| jacekowski | no | 13:38 |
| jacekowski | it's just a notifier | 13:38 |
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| kerio | setting a huge autoupdate interval is a ugly hack | 13:40 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kerio, purge the app manager :P | 13:41 |
| kerio | hmm | 13:43 |
| kerio | apt-get remove apt* dpkg* | 13:43 |
| kerio | GEE I WONDER WHAT COULD GO WRONG | 13:43 |
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| jacekowski | isn't that update called from alarmd | 13:44 |
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| MohammadAG51 | kerio, nothing, you'd have to go gentoo-ish though | 13:46 |
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| kerio | is the update-notifier/check_interval relative to the boot time? | 14:06 |
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| kerio | or the last update time? | 14:07 |
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| kerio | because if so, i can reliably set it to a couple of years - i'll definetely check for updates more often than that | 14:07 |
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| TMM | Does anyone here have a suggestion for a good case for the N900? | 14:11 |
| kerio | hmm | 14:12 |
| ham5 | I just got a good screen protector for mine | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | I got a bad one from ebay - case | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | but it was 5 pounds for 3 | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | so it works for me | 14:14 |
| kerio | i bought it used, it has one, but i removed it | 14:14 |
| SpeedEvil | a screen protector? | 14:14 |
| kerio | yeah | 14:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd recommend using one personally | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | they are very cheap | 14:15 |
| kerio | screen protectors suck | 14:15 |
| kerio | :( | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | the screen is, however plastic | 14:15 |
| ham5 | heard the n900 scratches easy | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | though it may be somewhat scratch resistant, accidents happen | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | the screen yes, the device, not really | 14:15 |
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| MohammadAG51 | i like to refer to that as shit® happens | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | For example, I went gardening, and put the seccateurs in the wrong pocket and bent down and up a couple of hundred times | 14:16 |
| kerio | ham5: once it's too ruined to use reliably, buy another cover | 14:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | Replacing the cover is _not_ risk free | 14:16 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: did the screen scratch? | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I had a screen protector. | 14:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It was nearly opaque over 1/4 of the surface | 14:16 |
| kerio | :( | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | screen was pristine though. | 14:17 |
| kerio | why? | 14:17 |
| SpeedEvil | becase a couple of hundred deep scratches will do that | 14:17 |
| kerio | i have a couple of scratches on the screen as of now | 14:18 |
| kerio | only one was made by me thoughh | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends on how you se the device - if you are not in a gritty environment, and don't ever have it outside of a pocket where you never, ever put anything else, and use it with fingers only - maybe. | 14:19 |
| alterego | scratchbox installed ... | 14:19 |
| TMM | a screen protector is one of those extra pieces of plastic that you tape over the screen, right? | 14:20 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: i'm going to the beach daily :3 | 14:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | tape isn't a good word | 14:20 |
| alterego | TMM: you don't tape them .... | 14:20 |
| kerio | TMM: yup | 14:21 |
| TMM | well, sticks, whatever | 14:21 |
| TMM | I don't like those much | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | doesn't stick | 14:21 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: can't i just change the cover when it's too damaged instead of putting another one over this one? | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG51 | i've scrubbed (yes, scrubbed) mine on the "sticky" part many times | 14:21 |
| kerio | what are the risks? | 14:21 |
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| MohammadAG51 | changing the whole faceplate? | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Is there a nice way to quit fronzen bubble btw? | 14:22 |
| kerio | MohammadAG51: sure, why not | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, comma button, sadly no esc on the N900 | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, heh, ask DocScrutinizer | 14:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: question | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: DocScrutinizer managed to brick his device doing this | 14:23 |
| kerio | wait, what | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: the connector is quite fragile | 14:23 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: How about adding it to 'q' or backspace? ;) | 14:23 |
| kerio | :( | 14:23 |
| kerio | i'll send it to nokia then | 14:23 |
| TMM | I'll just get the official nokia n900 pouch thingy then | 14:24 |
| TMM | I'll cut a hole in it for the jack | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, backspace and q are needed for typing the name in highscores :( | 14:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | i hate cases | 14:24 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARD-CRYSTAL-CLEAR-CASE-COVER-SKIN-SHELL-NOKIA-N900-/140424671640?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item20b1f67198 I have | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Overlay a big X in the corner? :) Where there is nothing anyway? | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | For me - cases arealmost mandaroty | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | they add some protection when dropped | 14:25 |
| kerio | why would you drop it | 14:25 |
| kerio | :| | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, hmm, good point | 14:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, shit happens | 14:25 |
| kerio | let's add extra cases to everything! | 14:28 |
| kerio | i need to buy a case for my tv, in case it drops | 14:28 |
| TMM | well, for a phone I think it's a bit more reasonable than a TV :P | 14:28 |
| kerio | TMM: well, the n900 is not a phone | 14:29 |
| kerio | XD | 14:29 |
| TMM | I don't accidentally put my keys in the same pocket as my tv | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | TMM, you put your TV in a pocket? :P | 14:29 |
| TMM | MohammadAG51, no, that's kind of the point of my little sarcastic remark ;) | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | TMM, you missed the sarcasm :P | 14:30 |
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| TMM | anyway, I got that nokia n900 pouch, at least it LOOKS nice :P | 14:30 |
| kerio | ok, 10 years between each autoupdate | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | yay, found a 37" screen protector | 14:30 |
| kerio | it still feels like a ugly hack though | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | kerio, now overclock your device so it dies in less than a year | 14:31 |
| kerio | awesome | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | -> no autoupdate | 14:31 |
| TMM | you can overclock the n900? | 14:31 |
| kerio | i solve both the autoupdate *and* the scratching problem this way | 14:31 |
| TMM | why would you want to do that? it seems plenty fast to me | 14:31 |
| kerio | TMM: yup | 14:31 |
| ham5 | 1g plenty faster tho ;) | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: I have accidentally thrown my n900 across the room once, and dropped it 3 or 4 times now. | 14:32 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: hahaha you *threw* your n900 | 14:32 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, accidentally thrown? | 14:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:32 |
| kerio | how can you accidentally throw something | 14:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | TMM, if you're a (Nokia) murderer I don't see why you wouldn't do it | 14:32 |
| lcuk | playing n900fly? | 14:32 |
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| TMM | yeah, the battery life is already SO great why NOT overclock? ;) | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | You put it down on the blanket in your bed, and forget about it, and then flip the blanket off, to get up | 14:32 |
| TMM | SpeedEvil, I've launched many a remote that way :P | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | was n900fly running? | 14:33 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 14:33 |
| lcuk | TMM, sarcasm gets you nowhere, the battery life is impressive and gotten better and better with each update | 14:33 |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: well, my mother's 8310 survived a... 20mt drop | 14:33 |
| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil | 14:33 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, tracy once almost knocked me out by "nudging" a chocolate bar on the bed | 14:33 |
| lcuk | she nudged it so hard it flew in similar manner | 14:34 |
| kerio | and by survived i mean it worked flawlessy afterwards | 14:34 |
| kerio | without a single scratch | 14:34 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, although battery life is better, it doesn't last a day | 14:34 |
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| kerio | i want a 8310-sized n900 with the same battery duration :( | 14:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | first bar gone | 14:34 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, hmm? | 14:34 |
| SpeedEvil | kerio: 3? - certainly 2 - people here have come with complaints that their emmc has failed after a drop | 14:34 |
| lcuk | works for me | 14:34 |
| * lcuk looks at 3 n900s and wonders which will drain battery first | 14:35 | |
| SpeedEvil | 20m onto what? | 14:35 |
| kerio | concrete | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | funky. | 14:35 |
| kerio | 20m is enough to reach terminal velocity | 14:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | damn middle east, can't find a BH-214 :/ | 14:35 |
| SpeedEvil | It's not | 14:35 |
| kerio | oh | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | not for something relatively dense like a phone | 14:36 |
| kerio | good point | 14:36 |
| kerio | it was also incredibly small | 14:36 |
| kerio | (it was light though) | 14:36 |
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| SpeedEvil | it may be somewhat slowed down though | 14:36 |
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| dotblank | the battery life on my phone is insaine | 14:39 |
| dotblank | I just forget to charge it now.... | 14:40 |
| dotblank | I used to always charge it | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | dotblank, still not sussed it :P | 14:44 |
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| TMM | lcuk, I'd call the battery life 'pretty good' considering the features of the device. But 'good' when it comes to mobile phones, not really. | 14:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 14:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Leave it idle, wifi off, waiting for calls and not doing anything more, and it can get close to a week | 14:57 |
| lcuk | tmm compare like for like, sure we have not yet got to the heady days of battery life measured in weeks (as the n810 has!) | 14:57 |
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| lcuk | lol SpeedEvil | 14:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | It should be able to get over a week, with the right settings - but the default setup does not support suspend properly, and wakes the device | 14:59 |
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| kerio | SpeedEvil: over a weeek is what a dumbphone gets in full usage | 15:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | indeed | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Their screens tend to be _lots_ lower power though | 15:07 |
| lcuk | kerio, then get a dumbphone | 15:07 |
| * lcuk likes having power to make magic | 15:07 | |
| kerio | SpeedEvil: my laptop lasts longer | 15:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 15:07 |
| lcuk | kerio, your laptop also has a bigger battery | 15:07 |
| kerio | lcuk: but a way bigger screen, and the cpu takes more power | 15:09 |
| lcuk | kerio, get a mugen battery | 15:09 |
| psycho_oreos | just get extra power :) it keeps your device charging without having to swap out batteries | 15:10 |
| alterego | I was thinking, with a mugen battery, you could just use the normal battery but use their custom back plate to allow for more space to stick something like, a digital compass or some other hardware :) | 15:10 |
| lcuk | sure alterego if its held in place | 15:11 |
| alterego | Something that attaches to the serial port maybe .. | 15:11 |
| lcuk | i noticed inside n900 thers a strange almost appendixish blanking plate | 15:11 |
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| lcuk | (see teardown vids) | 15:11 |
| alterego | Right, installing a 32bit ubuntu 10.04 for Nokia Qt SDK so I can use that Qt 4.7 prerelease :) | 15:12 |
| alterego | I want to work on a Maemo 5 media player that uses Qt Quick ... | 15:12 |
| alterego | To make it slick .. | 15:12 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm I need to go check to see if there's hirose u.fl on the n900 :D | 15:12 |
| alterego | Maybe even have it ready in time for PR1.3 ... | 15:13 |
| kerio | oh god it's... bulky | 15:14 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, if you start working on it /query me, got an idea | 15:20 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: well, I'm going to start working on a mafw front end for music only to begin with. | 15:21 |
| alterego | I think having Music/Video seperate is a good idea. | 15:23 |
| alterego | I'll probably implement internet radio as well if it starts to work out nicely. | 15:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | start on music, video works great already imo | 15:24 |
| alterego | Indeed | 15:25 |
| alterego | Is MeeGo going to use MAFW? | 15:25 |
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| Venemo | hi everyone! | 15:30 |
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| arno0ob | Hi people | 15:33 |
| arno0ob | I'm trying to pair my N900 with a Fedora laptop using Kbluetooth Wizard. The Wizard sees my N900 but tells me it doesn't support Input Service | 15:34 |
| alterego | Do cellular phones ping multiple base stations simultaneously? Or is it just the one they're currently using? | 15:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | basically the one they're using, but they listen for others | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | and may transmit in some circumstances IIRC | 15:37 |
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| alterego | Okay, juswondering. I'll have a look into the spec. | 15:40 |
| arno0ob | I've been in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf to remove Input from DisablePlugins statement | 15:40 |
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| arno0ob | Don't know if I can find someone here, or if I have to move to another chan .. | 15:41 |
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| Venemo | alterego: they can connect to multiple ones at a time, but they're using the one which has the best signal strength afaik | 15:43 |
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| E0x | hey ppl i install the scratchbox in my netbook | 15:56 |
| E0x | but i very slow ( the gui of course ) | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | god that'll be slow | 15:56 |
| E0x | any tips ? | 15:56 |
| E0x | hahaha | 15:56 |
| MohammadAG | yes, sell the netbook | 15:56 |
| E0x | well then i will need figure out how install in at my archlinux install at desktop pc | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | my notebook is netbook-y, I removed the GUI | 15:57 |
| E0x | at home | 15:57 |
| E0x | MohammadAG: but the scratchbox emulate a ARM procesor ? | 15:57 |
| E0x | using quemu ? | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | not the GUI one | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | the GUI runs from the FREMANTLE_X86 target | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | so it runs natively on your laptop, without hardware acceleration | 15:58 |
| E0x | hmm but if is not emulate a arm why so slow | 15:58 |
| E0x | ? | 15:58 |
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| MohammadAG | CPU is slow | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | it's a netbook | 15:58 |
| E0x | 1.6ghz is not that slow | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | aren't those like, 1.6? | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | slow | 15:59 |
| E0x | :S | 15:59 |
| E0x | well at home will not run that fast i only have 2.6 | 15:59 |
| lcuk | E0x, how fast does it build thing | 15:59 |
| E0x | lcuk: just doing python coding for now so i not test yet the building | 16:00 |
| E0x | eerrr | 16:00 |
| E0x | the compile | 16:00 |
| lcuk | why not just bypass scratchbox totally and dev on device? | 16:00 |
| E0x | lcuk: i will do some Qt dev too | 16:00 |
| lcuk | if its python at least for most things its capable | 16:00 |
| lcuk | pyqt works just the same | 16:00 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:00 |
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| E0x | lcuk: i want learn C++ a bit | 16:01 |
| E0x | i try if i can do somethings | 16:01 |
| alterego | E0x: then you should be using Nokia Qt SDK really :P | 16:01 |
| lcuk | E0x, sure then alterego is right | 16:01 |
| * lcuk likes vnc over 3.5g | 16:01 | |
| E0x | yes but in the simulator i can't test python things so i want a thing that i can test both | 16:02 |
| lcuk | your n900! | 16:02 |
| lcuk | i havent fired up xepyhr since ummm almost never | 16:02 |
| E0x | hmm maybe i will try that | 16:03 |
| alterego | Yeah, if I'm developing Python I actually usually do it on the device using sftp support in gnome to view the files and edit in geit. | 16:03 |
| alterego | ~gedit | 16:03 |
| infobot | GTK+ based text editor. URL: http://gedit.pn.org/ | 16:03 |
| E0x | with some sshfs for easy/fast file upload | 16:03 |
| alterego | No, I just edit them _on_ the device. | 16:03 |
| alterego | gedit will save direcctly to the N900 using sftp | 16:04 |
| lcuk | alterego, is gedit in repos? | 16:04 |
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| E0x | alterego: oh hmm | 16:04 |
| alterego | lcuk: no, this is on my laptop :P | 16:04 |
| E0x | not sure about that | 16:04 |
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| alterego | I would like a nice gedit port to maemo though :D | 16:04 |
| lcuk | alterego, then thats exactly same mechanism E0x just mentioned | 16:04 |
| E0x | yes | 16:04 |
| alterego | Probably, he made it sound different with "file upload" .. | 16:05 |
| E0x | but was thinking in copy from pc to n900 and keep a copy of the code at pc | 16:05 |
| alterego | I suppose it's because I just see it as saving straight to the device. | 16:05 |
| alterego | Which I guess technically is "uploading" :) | 16:05 |
| lcuk | alterego, sure i did the same for ages direct from windows | 16:05 |
| lcuk | winscp ftw | 16:05 |
| E0x | hehe | 16:05 |
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| alterego | Does winscp allow you to edit files directly on the device I.E. Just pressing "Save" and then it's saved via sftp to the device | 16:06 |
| alterego | Ready to run ... | 16:06 |
| lcuk | alterego, it does the copying transparently, so effectively yes | 16:06 |
| alterego | Cool | 16:06 |
| lcuk | clicking save in notepad or whatever editor | 16:07 |
| lcuk | kicks winscp back off to transfer file | 16:07 |
| E0x | brb | 16:08 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, I think it's time for a reflash | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | WTF | 16:09 |
| alterego | landscape: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-145415.png | 16:09 |
| alterego | portrait: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-235011.png | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, any betas? | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | or alphas? | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | or brickers? | 16:10 |
| alterego | Heh, | 16:10 |
| alterego | No not yet, still very experimental | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | back to where I was, WTF | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | my N900 booted ubuntu without sliding open the keyvoard | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | keyboard | 16:10 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: uh-oh :P | 16:10 |
| lcuk | alterego, is that the gps thingamabob | 16:11 |
| * lcuk cannot right click over vnc | 16:11 | |
| MohammadAG | use a proper client :P | 16:11 |
| lcuk | vnc | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | xtightvnc | 16:11 |
| alterego | lcuk: yeah | 16:11 |
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| lcuk | did you see the positioning video i did | 16:12 |
| alterego | Nope, got a link? | 16:13 |
| alterego | This is a rather failed attempt at theming. :D http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100712-194609.png | 16:14 |
| lcuk | err not on me - MohammadAG do you have a link to vid | 16:14 |
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| MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM alterego lcuk | 16:15 |
| alterego | Spank you | 16:15 |
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| alterego | lcuk: how are you doing movement? Camera? | 16:17 |
| lcuk | you tell me | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you noob | 16:17 |
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| MohammadAG | it's using magic | 16:17 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:17 |
| alterego | Well, not the accelerometer | 16:18 |
| alterego | If it was the camera then the text would need to be where the camera is. Though I was thinking something similar to how optical mice work. | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, front camera? | 16:19 |
| lcuk | move the discussion to yt comments or twitter or something :PO | 16:19 |
| lcuk | and when you know how its done let me know :P | 16:19 |
| alterego | Well, you're the only one that "knows" how it's done. | 16:20 |
| alterego | I'm just guessing. | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | it's obviously timed and he's moving it at fixed intervals | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | jk | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | xD | 16:20 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:21 |
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| alterego | I guess it wouldn't work just putting it down on an arbitrary rectangle. | 16:23 |
| lcuk | alterego, it works with or without the paper | 16:24 |
| alterego | That's not what I mean. | 16:24 |
| kerio | hmm, my n900 has two slightly brighter spots | 16:24 |
| alterego | If you have a surface, and the N900 is in your hand, and you put it down on the surface in say the top right corner, it wont show the top right corner display. | 16:24 |
| alterego | kerio: Mine has one, and it doesn't really bother me. | 16:25 |
| alterego | Only noticable when it's showing complete white .. | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | he's using the speakers' holes and mic to measure wind speed when moving the N900, that's why he's moving it too fast | 16:25 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 16:25 |
| kerio | same here | 16:25 |
| lcuk | moh that was a real viable option, i considered echo location | 16:26 |
| alterego | Hahah | 16:26 |
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| alterego | I still think you're using the camera and doing something similar to an optical mouse. | 16:26 |
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| MohammadAG | the Nokia N900: it's what bats have become | 16:26 |
| alterego | Though, maybe not. | 16:26 |
| alterego | Why are you so hesitant about giving away how you've done it? :P | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm, ever considered using the back magnet? | 16:27 |
| lcuk | i am not - i explained it in great detail a few days ago | 16:27 |
| alterego | Oh | 16:27 |
| lcuk | people just started asking if it was magic so i went along wit hit | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 16:27 |
| alterego | Well, how do you do it then? :P | 16:27 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, you wouldn't know if it hit you right in the face | 16:28 |
| * MohammadAG slaps alterego around with a large trout | 16:28 | |
| alterego | No, probably not :P | 16:28 |
| MohammadAG | that's how, trouts | 16:28 |
| alterego | That's why I'm asking :) | 16:28 |
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| kerio | lcuk: how does it work? | 16:37 |
| lcuk | <MohammadAG> it's using magic | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | told ya | 16:38 |
| MohammadAG | does anyone know where the screen tap sound is? | 16:38 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:39 |
| kerio | lcuk: :( | 16:39 |
| kerio | i missed the explanation! | 16:39 |
| MohammadAG | x-maemo-touchscreen-pressed.wav found it | 16:39 |
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| kerio | lcuk: is it on some repo yet? | 16:42 |
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| lcuk | kerio, github.com/lcuk | 16:45 |
| Venemo | w00t_: ping | 16:45 |
| Andy80 | hi all | 16:45 |
| Andy80 | I'm having problems building an application with Extras Autobuilder. If you can give a look here: http://pastebin.com/FMRgTt2E line 85, it bothers about: /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../lastgo.qrc' but it exist... how can I fix it? | 16:47 |
| Venemo | Andy80: could you give us a link to your debian/control file? | 16:48 |
| Andy80 | Venemo: yes... one moment... | 16:48 |
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| X-Fade | Andy80: Notice the case change. | 16:49 |
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| Andy80 | Venemo: here is the control http://pastebin.com/w077J8C7 and here is the rules http://pastebin.com/wY92FLAz | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | Andy80: As you seem to use uppercase in the .pro file? | 16:49 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: no no... the filename is really lastgo.qrc | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | Ok. | 16:49 |
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| Andy80 | X-Fade: my idea: I create a builddir and call qmake from there... so the path should be ../lastgo.qrc like is ../LastGo.pro for the project... | 16:50 |
| Andy80 | I had packaged another qt/c++ app before, but it didn't use a qrc file | 16:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | are there any tweaks to adjust the window manager on n900? such as to turn off fancy compiz/beryl like effects? | 16:54 |
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| Andy80 | Venemo: any idea? | 16:54 |
| kerio | jacekowski: can't find chromium in your repo | 16:55 |
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| kerio | oh nvm | 16:56 |
| kerio | typoed fremantle :/ | 16:56 |
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| Jef91 | So my angry birds just updated telling me there are two more level packs for purchase - but these level packs aren't listed on ovi yet? | 16:58 |
| kerio | jacekowski: the package chromium can't be authenticated | 16:58 |
| Jef91 | I mean somehow I'm not surprised - but any idea when they are going to show up? | 16:58 |
| psycho_oreos | Jef91, they are, under level 1 pack | 16:58 |
| kerio | do i just force the install? | 16:58 |
| Jef91 | ... I own level 1 pack psycho_oreos | 16:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | Jef91, has the package been installed? check via dpkg | 16:59 |
| alterego | Jef91: they'll be up by the end of the day I imagine. | 17:00 |
| psycho_oreos | fyi those two levels did show up as level 1 packs on ovi, they should still be there under paid apps or something | 17:00 |
| alterego | The same thing happened with the game update yesterday | 17:00 |
| jacekowski | kerio: packages in my repo are not signed | 17:00 |
| kerio | so sign them! | 17:01 |
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| kerio | :) | 17:01 |
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| jacekowski | i don't have keys | 17:02 |
| jacekowski | i would have to generate them | 17:02 |
| psycho_oreos | Jef91, ahh yeah I see what you mean, its listed but you can get to the purchase page | 17:03 |
| Jef91 | jacekowski Unsigned packages are the devil's playground :P | 17:03 |
| psycho_oreos | s/can/can't/ | 17:03 |
| Andy80 | X-Fade: you know where I can find a qt application that uses a .qrc so I can see how is it packaged? | 17:03 |
| psycho_oreos | s/can/can't/g | 17:03 |
| Jef91 | psycho_oreos yep :( | 17:03 |
| Jef91 | I hope they release soon. | 17:04 |
| Jef91 | New angry birds levels would be my girlfriend entertained for a good while | 17:04 |
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| jacekowski | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 262 more bytes) | 17:04 |
| psycho_oreos | Jef91, still don't know why does that matter to you unless you are missing those two levels after reflashing or something | 17:04 |
| jacekowski | that will take ages | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Play angry birds. | 17:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: there are more levels being released that have not previously beenavailale on the n900 | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 72 more bytes) | 17:08 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: bash on your keyboard like a monkey! | 17:09 |
| psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, afaik there's only 3 levels for angrybirds 1.1, on iphone there's like 5 or so levels with latter versions | 17:10 |
| SpeedEvil | exactly | 17:10 |
| psycho_oreos | you're telling me that you can get 5 levels from iphone's .payload to n900? ;) | 17:11 |
| MohammadAG | umm, aren't the two level packs ready? | 17:12 |
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| MohammadAG | so it gets up to 5 | 17:12 |
| MohammadAG | but as always, ovi's delaying release | 17:12 |
| psycho_oreos | afaik there's level pack 1 which provides level 2 and 3 on 1.1 angrybirds | 17:12 |
| psycho_oreos | angrybirds on iphone was something like 1.5 | 17:13 |
| psycho_oreos | alas I don't game much on n900 :) I only game alot is only to show off to iphail fans that n900 can also game ;) | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | iPhone fanboy: "But... does it fart?: | 17:15 |
| MohammadAG | "* | 17:15 |
| kerio | what's angrybirds? | 17:16 |
| psycho_oreos | a game | 17:16 |
| psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, heh :) Microsoft(r)'s Kin1(tm) and Kin2(tm) - It never really happened (tm)... Apple(tm) - Avoid holding your iPhone(tm) 4 that way... | 17:16 |
| jacekowski | kerio: it's remote server | 17:17 |
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| jacekowski | kerio: but it's signing now | 17:17 |
| jacekowski | kerio: happy? | 17:17 |
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| kerio | jacekowski: does that mean that i have to redownload it? | 17:18 |
| kerio | D: | 17:18 |
| kerio | i'm on a crappy connection :( | 17:19 |
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| alterego | "Any anitvirus for the N900?" Heh .. | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Angrybirds is great. | 17:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wish that bounce had a few more levels. | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | that would showcase it well | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | but... | 17:21 |
| SpeedEvil | I think the potential for commerical devs to flock to the n900 has past. | 17:21 |
| psycho_oreos | bounce is the one thing I can sorta boast :) unique to only n900 | 17:21 |
| psycho_oreos | not only that I think n900 just came in at the wrong time.. along with ovi woes | 17:22 |
| kerio | bounce sucks | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | I think the ovi store _totally_ screwed up any lingering hopes. | 17:23 |
| psycho_oreos | I see lots and lots of users complaining constantly day in day out with ovi having issues | 17:23 |
| psycho_oreos | bounce doesn't suck | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Extras 'just works' - mostly | 17:23 |
| SpeedEvil | Ovi - just has problems. | 17:23 |
| psycho_oreos | ovi - the problem is itself | 17:24 |
| psycho_oreos | they can't get it out of their head that they like symbian too much, ovi maps lacked half the feature it had on other nokia platforms | 17:24 |
| kerio | psycho_oreos: horrible framerate, horrible controls | 17:25 |
| jacekowski | kerio: chromium isn't signed | 17:25 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, decent framerate, yes maybe poor accelerometers but so what? ever trying playing games using purely on accelerometers? | 17:25 |
| jacekowski | kerio: new packages will be | 17:25 |
| kerio | jacekowski: i see | 17:26 |
| kerio | do i need to add the key somehow? | 17:26 |
| psycho_oreos | s/trying/tried/g | 17:26 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: kerio, decent framerate, yes maybe poor accelerometers but so what? ever tried playing games using purely on accelerometers? | 17:26 |
| kerio | and will you release updates to chromium? | 17:26 |
| kerio | psycho_oreos: yes, but that's not exactly the point here | 17:27 |
| kerio | the one that comes to mind is warioware smooth moves | 17:27 |
| kerio | but, you know, dedicated hw | 17:27 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, that's more like asking for a lopsided comparison, n900 is a phone, not a giant dedicated accelerometer :) | 17:28 |
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| kerio | i played lots of iphone games | 17:28 |
| kerio | well, not lots, but at least some | 17:28 |
| psycho_oreos | it (n900) has lots of features its not great at but at least it includes them and has linux base | 17:28 |
| kerio | psycho_oreos: yeah - it doesn't make it a good idea to use them primarily for a "first-party" game with some history like bounce | 17:29 |
| psycho_oreos | kerio, its more like an open demonstration to show what were the potential of n900's hardware... I think that was the original intention of developing bounce evolution in the first place.. it was purely a demo :) | 17:30 |
| kerio | a techdemo *this* bad? no wonder there are no commercial games on the n900... | 17:31 |
| kerio | :P | 17:31 |
| psycho_oreos | there's lots of tech demos worse than that on n900 | 17:31 |
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| kerio | i just want a 3310 emulator for snake | 17:32 |
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| kerio | or a 3330 emulator for snake 2 | 17:32 |
| psycho_oreos | alas the devs put it up and asked for nothing, so why complain when you got your stab at free lunch? | 17:32 |
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| MohammadAG | I want the N-Gage snake | 17:34 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: so neopwn.com is still down... Cool eh? | 17:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | why ask about neopwn? you have om freerunner? | 17:51 |
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| psycho_oreos | s/ask/talk/g | 17:51 |
| infobot | psycho_oreos meant: why talk about neopwn? you have om freerunner? | 17:51 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: they're going to release packet injection for the n900 | 17:52 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, that has already happened :) | 17:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | its under a new project for n900 anyway | 17:52 |
| crashanddie | infobot: why aren't you voiced? Is your connection shaky again? | 17:52 |
| infobot | why not? | 17:52 |
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| crashanddie | because | 17:53 |
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| Corsac | infobot: please don't answer to questions by another question | 17:53 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: they are allegedly going to provide a "backtrack equivalent for the n900" | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: which is the only reason I'm interested | 17:54 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, yeah and that is already happening :) | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | dude, I don't give a fuck if it's happening or not | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | they have it working. | 17:54 |
| crashanddie | (allegedly) | 17:54 |
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| psycho_oreos | (#1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfGGOa-skA, or (#2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht4WDho1UWY, or (#3) http://videos.aircrack-ng.org/N900_injection.mp4 | 17:55 |
| psycho_oreos | backtrack equivalent, maybe | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: note that both youtube videos are uploaded by the "neopwn" account | 17:55 |
| crashanddie | so please stfu, considering you're attempting to correct me using the stuff I was talking about in the first place. | 17:56 |
| crashanddie | I think it's just very, very interesting that days before the supposed release, their website goes down | 17:56 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, yeah, still 'down' for me | 18:00 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: told you to stop poking it | 18:04 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, dentist - ive just never had her push so far into me | 18:04 |
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| crashanddie | ok ok, let's keep this a family channel | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | I don't care about your sexual activities | 18:05 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:05 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | so i shant tell you it was a double penetration o_O she did 2 fillings at the same time | 18:05 |
| midas_ | oh hai | 18:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: On that topic (not worksafe) http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12146#p12146 (no, it's not quite that - it's an example of how far people will go to make money on the internet) | 18:07 |
| SpeedEvil | The above occurred on the 4th of july, so the person linking me to said. | 18:08 |
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| MohammadAG | O_o | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i was talking about the dentist you crude git | 18:09 |
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| kevloral | Hi all | 18:10 |
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| MohammadAG | lol lcuk he knows | 18:10 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: ping | 18:15 |
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| GAN900 | Dentists in the UK? | 18:46 |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: tried fb_text2screen master on meego? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: no, didn't have time today | 18:46 |
| slonopotamus | k | 18:47 |
| slonopotamus | btw, fremantle text2screen still has broken colors :) | 18:47 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, lol yes we do have them | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | most people avoid them as i have done for too long :) thankfully im having everything cured | 18:53 |
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| Lateralus | Is there a way to open the phone app with a number to dial from an app? | 18:53 |
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| zash | Lateralus: Try opening the the xterm and doing `xdg-open tel:123` | 18:56 |
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| zash | That would be the *nix/fd-ish way | 18:56 |
| zash | imoho | 18:56 |
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| slonopotamus | zash: there ain't xdg-open (whatever it is) in maemo | 18:58 |
| zash | meh | 18:58 |
| zash | slonopotamus: a freedesktop tool to launch urls/files in the application registerd to handle them | 18:59 |
| Lateralus | I was figuring there would be some dbus message for it | 18:59 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Forgot to say... cool stuff :) | 19:48 |
| lcuk | haha X-Fade :) | 19:49 |
| lcuk | thx | 19:49 |
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| Lateralus | ok, it's likely something to do with com.nokia.csd.Call | 19:51 |
| Lateralus | is that documented anywhere? com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance? | 19:51 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Connect that to some of the UX proto ideas we saw last year :) | 19:52 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, you mean http://n900blog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/091009-maemo-01.jpg?w=497&h=300 ;) | 19:54 |
| lcuk | the cells can be anything - i just prototyped it with broken ones - ive got some more shiney things pending | 19:55 |
| tybollt | will there indeed be maemi 6? | 19:55 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah ;) | 19:55 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnTCh7exB0E take a glance at this - portrait mode image select | 19:56 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: But? mpeg movement vectors using frontcam? | 19:56 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, mmm no, much simpler | 19:56 |
| lcuk | explained in the thread now totally | 19:56 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=754042&postcount=11 | 19:57 |
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| Ikarus | *blink* an update for flashlight | 19:57 |
| Ikarus | (also is there a way to disable camera app startup on cover open ?) | 19:57 |
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| X-Fade | lcuk: Ah, yes real info in a talk thread, who would have thought that :) | 20:00 |
| lcuk | haha its our maemo :P | 20:00 |
| lcuk | we should fill it with good stuff | 20:00 |
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| johnsu01 | hm, what happened to the sharing plugin for gallery2 | 20:06 |
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| GAN900 | X-Fade, makes me nastolgic. | 20:11 |
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| X-Fade | GAN900: What? | 20:16 |
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| dotblank | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58565 | 20:25 |
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| Jaffa | re | 20:31 |
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| BluesLee | i will get a free case from apple if i buy an iphone 4 till end of september | 20:34 |
| BluesLee | hehe | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Wow! | 20:37 |
| SpeedEvil | The bargain! | 20:37 |
| lcuk | you mean you get a free iphone when you buy a case? :D | 20:37 |
| ohwhyme | hahaha | 20:38 |
| BluesLee | lcuk: that would be cool | 20:38 |
| BluesLee | honestly, it costs them about 1$ x 6 mio= 6 mio | 20:39 |
| BluesLee | thats a joke | 20:39 |
| dotblank | gah this new qt creator is grinding my gears | 20:39 |
| dotblank | I can't seem to delete the package creation step | 20:39 |
| lcuk | dotblank, did you see the thread where i explained inverse augmented reality stuff | 20:39 |
| dotblank | lcuk, not yet | 20:40 |
| BluesLee | lcuk: hey, you are the guy with the liqbase stuff, right? | 20:40 |
| BluesLee | lcuk: really impressive speed | 20:40 |
| dotblank | I'm about to take a plane so Im trying to setup my laptop's sdk | 20:40 |
| dotblank | and grr I can't delete the package creation step.. from the build process... | 20:40 |
| lcuk | dotblank, air crew frown upon you doing compilation and "technical" stuff whilst airside | 20:41 |
| lcuk | BluesLee, indeedy, the very same :) | 20:41 |
| dotblank | 8 hour plane | 20:41 |
| lcuk | enjoy your time in plastic cufs then | 20:41 |
| dotblank | no internet.. | 20:41 |
| dotblank | on qt docs and my laptop and n900 | 20:41 |
| dotblank | only* | 20:41 |
| lcuk | dotblank, well if you have time to read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753976#post753976 ;) | 20:42 |
| lcuk | full how did i do it thread :P | 20:42 |
| dotblank | ah | 20:44 |
| BluesLee | lcuk: can you speed up the maemo ui in the same way?;-) | 20:44 |
| BluesLee | lcuk: just a joke, the ui is fast enough, but your stuff is cool | 20:44 |
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| lcuk | heh | 20:44 |
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| * Jaffa 'd had hopes that libmeegotouch, MeeGo et al would've been designed from the ground up with speed, fluidity and reducing overhead as the primary drivers. | 20:48 | |
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| kerio | lcuk: epic | 20:49 |
| Jaffa | The Maemo 5 stack and the N900 just feel slow now, especially compared with the competition - but absolute tasks too :( | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | jaffa, i actually think it is to some extent | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | (and no, that isnt a fanboy statement) | 20:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Jaffa: A new stack - reduce overhead? | 20:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you _MAD_? | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Abstraction piled on abstraction is the way! | 20:53 |
| lcuk | its not unheard of :) | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | i perceive of it as a lean and mean stack, personally | 20:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Use a 20 meg library that nothing else on the plarform uses to 'reuse code' - instead of writing a 12 line function that might require you to think for half an hour. | 20:54 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Goodo. More shouting about that from architects etc, please :) | 20:54 |
| mortini_ | SpeedEvil: but then you have to support that code! | 20:54 |
| mortini_ | :D | 20:54 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Blog posts like the stuff Moblin put out about fastboot. How do you make a full featured, cross-platform, API act speedilyetc. | 20:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Jaffa, i really would like core to talk more | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | but alas, its july, nothing will happen | 20:55 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: True. | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | i do appreciate meego-commits list which states wtf actually goes on | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | and open qa | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | and so on.. things are going in the right direction | 20:57 |
| Jaffa | Anyone want to write a meego traffic? :) | 20:58 |
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| Stskeeps | i am already overwhelmed with commits to trunk and testing, there is really a lot of development strength going into it | 20:59 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: cool | 21:04 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, but is it getting anywhere or treading water? | 21:06 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk, gtiting somewhere | 21:08 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 21:08 |
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| konttori | nice. I just got qt quick photoviewer demo application running on my osx to be able to directly load the images from my n900 using the web server I built yesterday DocScrutinizer. Image version is replicating flickr API, so it was basically one liner change on the photoviewer code side. (different address of the server) | 21:51 |
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| lcuk | konttori, impressive! i hope it sends over the thumbnails first for quick instant browsing of the grid before sending large images only on request ;) | 21:57 |
| konttori | lcuk: it uses the thumbnails on .thumbnails/cropped | 21:57 |
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| * lcuk nods :) | 21:57 | |
| konttori | and then the full image is only sent when you are in fullscreen view of the image. | 21:57 |
| lcuk | cool | 21:58 |
| RST38h | konttori: Nokia Personal Webserver (for Symbian) did somethign similar | 21:58 |
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| konttori | it then loads the full image async and then fades the preview away | 21:58 |
| RST38h | konttori: It basically replaced PCSuite functionality with a web server running on the device and accessible via any web browser | 21:58 |
| konttori | RST38h: pretty nifty idea. | 21:58 |
| konttori | and should be pretty easy to do as well | 21:58 |
| konttori | for me, adding the image support has now taken like about 4 hours so far. | 21:59 |
| konttori | perhas 5. | 21:59 |
| konttori | (part of that doing the mandatory hello world web server first) | 21:59 |
| RST38h | konttori: it may also let you access settings, call log, message log, check device's location and temperature, etc | 22:01 |
| lcuk | konttori, did you see the inverted augmented reality video? | 22:01 |
| konttori | lcuk: no, lemme see | 22:01 |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM | 22:01 |
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| lcuk | did you click konttori | 22:07 |
| konttori | looking now | 22:09 |
| konttori | lcuk: ah, that one. Yeah, saw it yesterda. Rocks | 22:09 |
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| lcuk | konttori, so this web server deffo looks interesting - i might have to look closer to linkup some of the bits i need | 22:11 |
| konttori | I'll work a bit more and share the code for you. wanna get snapshot now? | 22:12 |
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| lcuk | will it happily install/run on fremantle? | 22:13 |
| konttori | I'm running it on n900 now. (you were accessing it from my n900) | 22:13 |
| konttori | Just store anywhere and run: python webserver.py | 22:14 |
| lcuk | :D bonus | 22:14 |
| lcuk | heh python powered! is it python server or tying into qt 4.6/4.7 methods? | 22:14 |
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| dragonlinux | hye, is there any man pages available for n900 ? | 22:22 |
| lcuk | dragonlinux, hmm lots of packages come from upstream, but since man pages arent included on device itself generally packages targetting maemo have missed them | 22:23 |
| dragonlinux | i see. thanks for that | 22:24 |
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| konttori | lcuk: it's python server only. and serves ATOM feeds that currently I'm using on qml application. | 22:29 |
| konttori | Just installing libqt4-experimental-declarative on n900 to try it out on the device. | 22:29 |
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| lcuk | :D cool | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: how did you do the slides/transitions for that AR thing? just a huge picture which you moved? or were those real apps? | 22:30 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, those are real liq* cells just like the other apps i run | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | incredible | 22:31 |
| lcuk | i just loaded up a bunch of inactive ones to prove concept, i have alternative cleaned up things :) | 22:31 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, the rendering engine for liqbase is geared up for it and always has been :) | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, just adequate for liqtorch :-P | 22:33 |
| lcuk | indeed :) | 22:33 |
| lcuk | liqtorch is more hello world ;) | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | is less hello world | 22:34 |
| lcuk | i couldnt think of anything better or simpler to get started with :P | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least now those xxMB make some sense to me | 22:34 |
| lcuk | konttori, i got some patches recently - libliqbase is now built using g++ and technically c++ capable | 22:34 |
| lcuk | lol its never been a mb | 22:34 |
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| ShadowJK | Are you talking about a videod demonstration? Link? :) | 22:34 |
| * lcuk thanks w00t_ | 22:34 | |
| lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ShadowJK | 22:35 |
| lcuk | and no, its a proof of concept :P | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | just have shown it off to a friend in the pub (of course on N900) - impressed the shit out of him | 22:35 |
| lcuk | well DocScrutinizer i've never seen any phone do that before :) | 22:36 |
| * lcuk has wanted this for agessssssssssss | 22:36 | |
| lcuk | it should also work: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_double_tiny.JPG ;) (original inspiration image) | 22:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer glues 3 LED to a sombrero and sends that hat to lcuk | 22:37 | |
| lcuk | a cap will be fine ty :P | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | heh, I never did that obscene position to my N810s | 22:38 |
| lcuk | haha! i do it to all my devices ;) http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG | 22:39 |
| lcuk | i even made them have a threesome :P http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: ping | 22:41 |
| * MohammadAG51 hits DocScrutinizer with a pingpong ball | 22:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | how long were you powering those active speakers via N900 USB host, when power outage in Jordan | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 22:42 |
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| MohammadAG51 | half an hour maybe | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | just about as geeky as those double stack of lcuk (modulo the cute sw on those) | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm | 22:43 |
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| MohammadAG51 | the whole power thingy was on a stock kernel btw | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | N900: the most expensive, most weak, most geeky USB power pack | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | but the speakers didn't touch data or anything, they only need power | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG51 | i.e no enumeration shit | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yepyep | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | could as well power a mug warmer | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | or better a fan these days :-D | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | btw, volume wasn't low | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | and the LED was as bright as when it was on my PC | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | 1W of sound is quite loud really | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet, otherwise it wouldn't eat your bat SUCH fast | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (LED) as long as boost mode stays, it will provide 4V95 | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | well, it only needed half a bat or so | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG51 | i could do tests if you want | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | that sound about right: half a bat are ~1.5Wh | 22:47 |
| Gh0sty | what format is the contacts db actually in the n900? | 22:47 |
| Gh0sty | sqlite? | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | sqlite 3 afaik | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | 200mA*5V=1W output on USB + 1W for full active N900 | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | also others claimed it's berkleyDB | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever that is | 22:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I've yet to see the sql cmd to read out those crap files.db | 22:50 |
| konttori | Gh0sty: it's berkley db. | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, well contacts app can read it | 22:50 |
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| * DocScrutinizer ponders to google berkley db | 22:50 | |
| lcuk | and it renders it nicely afaik :P | 22:50 |
| Gh0sty | thats what i am looking for | 22:50 |
| luke-jr | gah | 22:50 |
| * luke-jr is divided on whether to keep T-Mobile | 22:51 | |
| Gh0sty | to actually do something useful with those contacts on a regular pc :) | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck contacts - it's closed | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | on one hand, it's convenient when it does work | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | but on the other hand, it doesn't work all too often | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | sigh | 22:51 |
| konttori | DocScrutinizer: it's really low level db. Mosly a hash table really | 22:52 |
| konttori | totally wrong choice if you ask me. | 22:52 |
| konttori | sqlite would have been the right choice. | 22:52 |
| konttori | or tracker. | 22:52 |
| konttori | but not berkley db | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't really care, just gimme a tool to read it | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | a cmdline tool! | 22:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | meh, no cmdline interface (by definition)... ? o.O | 22:57 |
| lcuk | please wait, rescanning contacts | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sqlite for sure've been the better choice then | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | nah | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | just make a directory | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | lcuk, are you revealing yet how it's done? | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | and make 1 file per contact | 22:57 |
| luke-jr | :D | 22:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: vcard | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yep | 22:58 |
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| luke-jr | that's how I do it myself | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | full ack | 22:58 |
| luke-jr | it worked pretty well until KDE screwed up KAddressBook :/ | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753976#post753976 whole thread on inverse augmented reality and how its done :P | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, up to a reasonably usable managable limit of contocts (some hundered) what for do I need a db? | 22:59 |
| visz | heh, my eyes deceived me | 22:59 |
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| visz | full ack -> fu** all | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: =-( | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: even then, VCards in IMAP... IMAP can search :D | 22:59 |
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| luke-jr | but KDE never supported that properly :( | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no more vcard resources in Kontact?? | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | probably is | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | but Kontact is broken since 4.4 | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | hooray, so it matches other KDE4 crap now | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | what exactly? | 23:00 |
| luke-jr | KAddressBook doesn't work at all as far as I can tell | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | kaddrbook is obsolete with kde4 I heard | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then Kontact doesn't use KAddrBook anymore I heard same source | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | just renamed AFAIK | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | binary is still kaddressbook | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | but name is "Contact Manager" | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, my contacts are all still there | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | the problem is this new Akonadi framework | 23:02 |
| luke-jr | it's horribly misdesigned and broken | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | get some USB leds and do all what you did via the N900's port | 23:02 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | akonadi, yeah | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | heard that as well | 23:03 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, sure but with wires its a bit less fun | 23:03 |
| lcuk | i thought of that when you said about powered speakers | 23:03 |
| lcuk | i would prefer having the usb used for arduino | 23:03 |
| jacekowski | what's the purpose of liqbase anyways? | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | arduino? | 23:03 |
| lcuk | the Nokia 770 and N800 dogs should work | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I would prefer having hostmode working | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | me too, but that's kinda dead isn't it :) | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | limbo state | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | k, zombie state :P | 23:05 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, for me? its an ideas playground, and those ideas are all growing up and breaking off into their little apps :) | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got no new arguments to push, and the old efforts seem to be discontinued | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: and with that cluster thingy | 23:05 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: opencv | 23:05 |
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| jacekowski | lcuk: and transmitting image from camera via bluetooth from one device to other | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | and then comparing | 23:06 |
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| Summeli | what's the best way to implement simple blit() with RGB565? | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | so it could detect position based on that without any reference | 23:06 |
| Summeli | on N900 :) | 23:06 |
| lcuk | huh? i want something in realtime not waiting a fortnight | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | opencv is realtime | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | hmm, bluetooth isn't | 23:06 |
| RST38h | Summeli: /dev/fb0 | 23:06 |
| jacekowski | but you can process | 23:06 |
| lcuk | transfering image data over at 25fps isnt | 23:07 |
| lcuk | especially over bt/wifi | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | or get some initial reference | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | and then send just info where is it moving | 23:07 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, why dont you try it | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | i'm playing with low level stuff | 23:07 |
| lcuk | you know opencv | 23:07 |
| Summeli | RST38h: Can I have some ways to avoid tearing with that? | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | after i'm done with bme stuff | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: 2/3 done with specs. Sorry was busy the afternoon | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | but opencv + accelerometer | 23:08 |
| Summeli | I was thinking about the opengl es, which should provide the double buffering to avoid tearing | 23:08 |
| lcuk | sure jacekowski im not in a rush, btw, you have seen the sort of stuff i use accelerometer for havent you? | 23:08 |
| RST38h | Summeli: not on n900 afaik | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: no | 23:08 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | lcuk: ah, that | 23:08 |
| jacekowski | that's nice | 23:09 |
| lcuk | same thing happens with this inv.ar stuff | 23:09 |
| lcuk | and it scales and rotates based on camera | 23:09 |
| lcuk | and does what the accelerometer cant (rotation along flat plane) | 23:09 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, compass would be nice | 23:12 |
| lcuk | yeah but you work with what you have | 23:12 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, can I have a look at it too? | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: sure, np | 23:12 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, if i still had n810 as primary i would be doing same with that | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | much appreciated | 23:13 |
| lcuk | i think the code should just work, though i havent fired it up yet | 23:13 |
| lcuk | i probably broke many things in last few months | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | well, anyways, charging is pretty much close to be finished | 23:13 |
| jacekowski | location has to be reversed | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | powervr would be nice | 23:14 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: send me whatever you have | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: sure, another ~60..90min, ok? | 23:16 |
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