| mooser | resolv.conf in n900 is emmmmmmmm tyyyyhyyyy! where iis my dns seeerver ip?????? | 00:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1280604760765.jpg - on the theme of emulators. (worksafe) | 00:23 |
| Corsac | depends on the work I guess | 00:24 |
| technomike | Aahhahahahahaha SpeedEvil | 00:25 |
| technomike | Good one :P | 00:25 |
| mooser | nice | 00:26 |
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| mooser | ok ceni script is broken for as-hoc in sidux | 00:28 |
| mooser | ad | 00:28 |
| mooser | but with manual config, client connects to n900 hotspot | 00:28 |
| mooser | just no NAT happinness | 00:29 |
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| mooser | well still no NAT workin | 01:35 |
| mooser | 10.49.76.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 | 01:36 |
| mooser | 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs1 | 01:36 |
| mooser | is that a correct routing table for the n900 running mobile hotspot? | 01:36 |
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| technomike | guys | 01:57 |
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| technomike | What is the benefit/use of Asterisk on the N900/Maemo | 01:57 |
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| dmkae | hey all | 01:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | mobile VoIP? *shrugs* | 01:58 |
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| psycho_oreos | lol this manual install method of packages that I've previously setup n900 with and now using dpkg method is painstakingly slow | 02:47 |
| lcuk | psycho_oreos, hmm? | 02:47 |
| psycho_oreos | lcuk, what I've done was repacked all my deb files from my previous n900 setup. My intention was to start from scratch again because I was pissed off how various things weren't working right (long story). Now as I refuse to go through apt-get method and/or ham (because my internet connection is already shaped plus I'm using it to download other things which will only cause installation to lag when downloading) I'm pretty much stuck with dpkg me | 02:49 |
| psycho_oreos | thod | 02:49 |
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| psycho_oreos | as you know dpkg doesn't handles deps properly, much like rpm.. they're just backends that deal with issues apart from deps and for everytime there's a dependency unmet it just means I have to go back and remove that package if I can't install the deps, etc | 02:51 |
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| lcuk | ahhh psycho_oreos so you just made life more difficult! | 02:59 |
| lcuk | for similar, i would try something like maintaining bacup of the apt cache folder thingy | 03:00 |
| lcuk | for all the debs it gets and uses | 03:00 |
| lcuk | and then do a dpkg -i *.deb | 03:00 |
| lcuk | but its just easier to restore from backup | 03:00 |
| lcuk | and let ham do what it needs with the installed apps list | 03:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | lcuk, hmm interesting, never actually bothered with that sort of method but its kinda like a habit routine that you have to get into | 03:03 |
| psycho_oreos | *sigh* for now I'll just have to bear with it :) bear and grin | 03:05 |
| psycho_oreos | there should be another way to counteract it, I suppose using diff and then extracting out the user installed packages | 03:05 |
| lcuk | but you need the deps too, so the cache would be simplest for that | 03:06 |
| lcuk | anyway, gnite \o | 03:06 |
| psycho_oreos | heh, nite | 03:06 |
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| th3_4zarado | julian assange | 04:01 |
| th3_4zarado | god? bless tis man ...he is a modern day hero | 04:01 |
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| luke-jr | wow | 05:14 |
| luke-jr | picking up my N810 after ~2 weeks, I really miss its size | 05:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | there are times I'd like a 20% larger thingy. | 05:15 |
| SpeedEvil | But then, when I realise how I can easily fit it in small cases, it's not so bad. | 05:15 |
| luke-jr | and keyboard | 05:16 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I use my N810's case for N900 | 05:16 |
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| pekuja | I would really like a case that would enable access to the headphone jack | 05:16 |
| pekuja | lost my CP-321 recently so I'm looking for a new one | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | I have one, but it's not a great case. | 05:17 |
| luke-jr | pekuja: Bluetooth? | 05:17 |
| pekuja | luke-jr: no, it's a case | 05:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARD-CRYSTAL-CLEAR-CASE-COVER-SKIN-SHELL-NOKIA-N900-/130412870026?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item1e5d36798a | 05:17 |
| pekuja | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-carrying-case-cp-321-for-nokia-n900 | 05:17 |
| pekuja | the official one | 05:17 |
| pekuja | pretty lame, I must say | 05:17 |
| pekuja | SpeedEvil: ah, that kind of case | 05:18 |
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| luke-jr | pekuja: Bluetooth headphones don't need a special case | 05:19 |
| pekuja | luke-jr: eh, I'm talking about the N900 | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | me too | 05:20 |
| pekuja | luke-jr: ah, right, sorry | 05:20 |
| pekuja | luke-jr: it's late | 05:20 |
| luke-jr | … | 05:20 |
| pekuja | luke-jr: didn't quite understand what you were saying... | 05:21 |
| pekuja | anyways, that's not a bad suggestion | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | if you love your wires, you could always drill a hole too | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 05:21 |
| pekuja | although I imagine the audio quality isn't too good for music and such | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | uh? | 05:21 |
| luke-jr | digital Bluetooth quality is going to be better than an analog wire | 05:22 |
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| pekuja | I wouldn't be so sure about that | 05:25 |
| pekuja | the other problem though is that BT headphones are expensive and require batteries | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | I think I got mine for like $10 | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | including a simple charger | 05:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | decent bluetooth headphones are not $10. | 05:26 |
| pekuja | luke-jr: and you think they sound better than regular wired headphones? I doubt that. | 05:26 |
| luke-jr | pekuja: honestly, I don't use either | 05:27 |
| luke-jr | I doubt I could tell the difference | 05:27 |
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| EdLin | pekuja, bluetooth is digital - and compressed, which means that it sounds *worse* than those horrible analog wires. ;-) | 05:40 |
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| pekuja | yeah, basically that's what I understand is that there's so little bandwidth in BT that the sound quality isn't too good | 05:40 |
| EdLin | pekuja, they compress it a lot, much more than a typical MP3 or something. | 05:41 |
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| luke-jr | EdLin: they do? | 05:43 |
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| Psi | anyone know why my n900 time is always around 1min fast? | 05:48 |
| Psi | does it get the time from gsm or network timeserver? | 05:48 |
| ham5 | I wondered that about my sms messages the senders time is always 8minutes fast | 05:49 |
| EdLin | Psi, T-Mobile US changed DST several hours wrong recently and all of their phones showed the wrong time and had calendar malfunctions. | 05:50 |
| Psi | for me its always 1min fast, i can set it correct but its back 1 min fast when i look at it later | 05:50 |
| ham5 | my time is updated from my phone carrier | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | Psi: I would think GPS | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Psi: GSM | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: not GPS | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: why trust GSM over GPS? | 05:50 |
| ham5 | should be the same anyway no? | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 | 05:50 |
| povbot | Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device. | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | ham5: obviously not in this case | 05:50 |
| SpeedEvil | Who knows | 05:50 |
| luke-jr | and what of people w/o GSM? | 05:50 |
| EdLin | luke-jr, use wifi to use NTP I guess. | 05:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: doesn't set it here either with GSM - UK | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | EdLin: meh, ntpd doesn't require netwrok | 05:51 |
| luke-jr | ntpd can pair up with gpsd ☺ | 05:51 |
| EdLin | :) | 05:51 |
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| sECuRE | has anyone managed to compile a more recent g++ version (i need 4.5) and fiddle it into the MADDE cross compilation environment? | 05:52 |
| sECuRE | i wonder if the MADDE source code you can get from gitorious is supposed to build a working g++ which can be copied into the fremantle 1.2 MADDE | 05:53 |
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| luke-jr | sECuRE: GCC 4.5 is totally broken on ARM from what I hear | 05:53 |
| sECuRE | no, it’s not | 05:53 |
| sECuRE | i can build it outside the tree and compile my stuff just fine | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | sECuRE: furthermore, GCC 4.4+ output is not binary compatible with <4.4 | 05:53 |
| sECuRE | but i want to have it inside MADDE | 05:53 |
| luke-jr | sECuRE: I wonder how much testing you've done | 05:54 |
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| sECuRE | i compiled an application using qt 4.6 and it successfully runs on my n900 | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | luck, I guess | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | I've had good luck with some apps too | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | like strace | 05:54 |
| luke-jr | other apps, not so much luck ☹ | 05:54 |
| sECuRE | hum, ok | 05:55 |
| sECuRE | still, i want to try replacing the g++ inside my MADDE | 05:55 |
| sECuRE | (just copying over the files from the built g++ from toolchain-from-scratch.sh brings errors: | 05:55 |
| sECuRE | arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory | 05:56 |
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| sECuRE | ah, hang on | 05:57 |
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| sECuRE | ah, needed to copy ~/cross-build/arm-long/tools/libexec/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/ since the gcc in the released MADDE is 4.2.1, but the one used in the meego source is newer | 05:59 |
| sECuRE | now lets fix the next error | 05:59 |
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| luke-jr | assume you need to copy everything, obviously | 06:01 |
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| sECuRE | yeah | 06:03 |
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| sECuRE | alright, works now :) | 06:08 |
| sECuRE | lets compile 4.5.0 with the same options and see if i can drop it in, too | 06:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | EdLin: Psi: If you enable "automatic time settings" in date/time in settings, then time is set from GSM. You can install several NTP tools though, to get time from nternet, and I guess you can setup ntpd to sync with GPS time as well | 06:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: set through GSM if your provider supports this. It diddn't work for me | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: obviously that' a prerequisite - yes | 06:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder when maemo is setting RTC | 06:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nice, my clocks (sys and RTC) are pretty in sync - and >60s off. And automatic setting is disabled | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I can check what's going on when enabling it | 06:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | wooosh, both on the second accurate | 06:16 |
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| * DocScrutinizer pondering about NOT nstalling ntpd, instead prefers a script to check for actual network traffic >0 like every hour or so, and only then use ntpdate to get a sync sneaked in to already active data transmissions | 06:20 | |
| DocScrutinizer | alternatively start that ntpdate sync on wlan connection up, and stop it on down | 06:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | ntpd uses almost nothinganyway | 06:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, but that nothing happens too often and to mindlessly | 06:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ntpd not built for machines with temporary internet connection | 06:24 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 06:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for sure not for machines that crank up power hungry 3G on ntpd's packets | 06:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | I 'never' have 3G active when I care about battery life, so I don't mind about that. | 06:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 06:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway doing a ntpdate max once every hour, and only when there's actually some other traffic active, seems a sensible approach | 06:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | starting ntpd in ifup, and stopping it in ifdown the cheap way | 06:29 |
| Jucato | hi, does anyone know if the N810 can support 16GB SDHC cards? the official specs say only up to 8GB but I think I've seen someone say (forgot where) that he/she uses a 16GB card | 06:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably does | 06:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably even supports 32G | 06:30 |
| Jucato | heh ok. I don't think I've seen 32G around here though, so I guess 16GB would be ok. thanks :) | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are like 120$ | 06:31 |
| Jucato | I'm not in the US | 06:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | last time I cheked | 06:31 |
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| Jucato | now if only connecting to computers through USB was reliable and has fast transfer speeds, I can forego needing a separate USB stick for portable stuff ... anyway thanks :) | 06:33 |
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| luke-jr | Jucato: I'm pretty sure USB networking is faster than SD :p | 06:56 |
| Jucato | luke-jr: I meant that transferring files to/from the SDHC card in the N810 to/from a computer connected through the USB cable isn't as fast as transferring using a USB stick. there's also times (often on a Linux computer) when N810 will use the external memory (SDHC) while connected so the desktop will only "see" the Internal 2G memory | 06:58 |
| Jucato | sometimes it's in reverse, sometimes both memories are seen. on Windows it almost always works fine though | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | … | 06:58 |
| luke-jr | or just use scp | 06:59 |
| Jucato | yes, that's what I usually do when I'm at home with my own network. but not when I'm outside. unfortunately, my nokia 5230 is a more reliable "USB stick" :( | 07:01 |
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| Stskeeps | morning andre__ | 09:43 |
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| andre__ | heja Stskeeps | 10:18 |
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| TermanaN900 | nice way to start the night! just got served a summons for small claims court! luckily its not for me :P | 10:30 |
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| unixSnob | how can a webpage be launched from the commandline? I tried "browser http://www.wolframalpha.com" and it ignores the argument | 10:46 |
| gobuki | use browser --url <url> | 10:46 |
| unixSnob | thanks | 10:46 |
| Ken-Young | unixSnob, You can also do it with a dbus command. | 10:47 |
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| unixSnob | i tried dbus-monitor to see if I could see how to do it that way, and I didn't see any urls going through | 10:47 |
| gobuki | like this: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:browser | 10:48 |
| Ken-Young | unixSnob, I use it in one of my programs - give me a minute, and I'll dig it out. | 10:48 |
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| unixSnob | gobuki: i don't see an URL in there | 10:48 |
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| hamilton5 | s/an/a/ | 10:49 |
| unixSnob | hamilton5: your english is wrong | 10:49 |
| gobuki | unixSnob: look here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-call it's listed under dbus-send-google | 10:50 |
| hamilton5 | k snob | 10:50 |
| toggles_w | lol | 10:50 |
| K0JIbKA | :-D | 10:50 |
| gobuki | s/dbus-send-call/dbus-send-google/ | 10:51 |
| infobot | gobuki meant: unixSnob: look here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-google it's listed under dbus-send-google | 10:51 |
| unixSnob | thanks gobuki | 10:52 |
| Ken-Young | unixSnob, /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=\"com.nokia.osso_browser\" /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:\"www.cnn.com\" | 10:52 |
| unixSnob | good to know.. know I can see youtube and flash things when sitting at my desktop | 10:52 |
| unixSnob | gnash pretty much sucks | 10:53 |
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| unixSnob | s/know/now/ | 10:53 |
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| crashanddie | morning, Maemo | 11:22 |
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| psycho_oreos | who has done USB passthrough with ubuntu 9.04? I'm having can't have dual gateways and for some reason, making default route go to wireless internet fails | 11:23 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm having issues such as dual gateways* | 11:23 |
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| hamilton5 | dual gate ways huh | 11:25 |
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| hamilton5 | as long as u have the usb networkin enabled for your kernel | 11:25 |
| hamilton5 | its pretty stright forward | 11:25 |
| hamilton5 | networking setup | 11:25 |
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| psycho_oreos | it is but everytime I ifup usb0 it will drop internet connection from ppp0, because default gw points to usb0 instead of ppp0 | 11:26 |
| hamilton5 | as root ifconfig -a see if you see a usb0 on both | 11:26 |
| psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking <-- actually I'm loosely following that guide | 11:26 |
| hamilton5 | so bring up usb0 before ppp0 ? | 11:27 |
| hamilton5 | or make new route after usb0 | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | yeah but the default gw should only remain as ppp0 not changed to usb0, maybe I can just add extra up lines | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm there's another issue with that I'm using network-manager to handle with ppp0 | 11:27 |
| psycho_oreos | I suppose I could give it a try | 11:28 |
| hamilton5 | word up 4:20 give it a try | 11:28 |
| psycho_oreos | heh its 18:28 here (6:28pm) | 11:29 |
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| BCMM | talking of networking, does the n900 support any kind of tethering out-of-the-box? | 11:31 |
| mooser | what is that | 11:31 |
| Venemo | hi everyone! | 11:32 |
| mooser | i have mobile hotspot semi-working | 11:32 |
| hamilton5 | if you can set it up command line | 11:32 |
| BCMM | (i have no idea what the "PC Suite" does on Windows, but i'm surprised there is no NAT in the default kernel, given that tethering is quite a popular feature) | 11:32 |
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| hamilton5 | few apps to use your gsm internet | 11:32 |
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| BCMM | i mean, are there any that work with the default kernel, and in general why on earth doesn't the default kernel do NAT? | 11:33 |
| hamilton5 | hosts are going to start blocking it if it gets to out of control | 11:33 |
| BCMM | i mean, do iptables in general | 11:33 |
| hamilton5 | iptables for just a client... why | 11:33 |
| mooser | BCMM: default unit is a very new phone OS and priority is features. but unlike iphone our community let you do anything with device | 11:33 |
| BCMM | oh, i know | 11:33 |
| mooser | priority is NOT features | 11:33 |
| BCMM | it just surprises me that iptables isn't in the default kernel for a communications device | 11:34 |
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| BCMM | it started to bother me when i discovered that fcam doesn't like kernel-power | 11:34 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: yup, got the links | 11:35 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Thanks | 11:35 |
| crashanddie | np, glad I could help | 11:35 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: if there's anything else you need | 11:37 |
| VRe_ | BCMM: maybe only few consumers need nat or iptables? | 11:39 |
| Corsac | few consumers need nat yes, but filtering I disagree | 11:42 |
| Corsac | (though they shouldn't have to use iptables scripts) | 11:42 |
| VRe_ | why u would need filtering? | 11:43 |
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| VRe_ | do not run servers is simpler solution | 11:44 |
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| VRe_ | and there is really not other daemons than ssh and http listening openly | 11:47 |
| VRe_ | and those u have to install yourself, and if u have those u probably want to get to device from outside | 11:47 |
| Corsac | yes, but my point is not about known servers, rather than potentially untrusted applications | 11:47 |
| Corsac | (and filtering is not only inbound) | 11:48 |
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| VRe_ | if you install untrusted application, those can remove any preset rules so what would be thepoint? | 11:49 |
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| Corsac | they could do that at install time, not runtime | 11:50 |
| VRe_ | they could add daemons, startup scriipts .. what ever | 11:50 |
| Corsac | anyway, you think filtering is useless, I disagree, that's all | 11:50 |
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| VRe_ | only if you can guard the filering@which you can not.. and then you need to guard the guard ..etc. | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: I raised bug 11040 too | 11:51 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11040 Profile list pages get slower and slower to render | 11:51 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: yeah, I'm assuming it queries the whole list, rather than using intelligent pagination | 11:52 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Indeed | 11:52 |
| frals | hmm | 11:54 |
| frals | is it just me.. or is thsi bug empty? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11042 | 11:54 |
| povbot | Bug 11042: MMS | 11:54 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: also, I noticed that around 200, the pages stops loading alltogether | 11:55 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: which your graph seems to display as well | 11:55 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Yup | 11:55 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: is that code open source? | 11:56 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Should be | 11:56 |
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| crashanddie | can't seem to find it in http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/maemo2midgard/ | 11:59 |
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| crashanddie | I love X-Fade's comments on the SVN commits... "Little bastard gave me grief." | 12:01 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Maybe it's coming from upstream midgard? | 12:02 |
| psycho_oreos | hamilton5, thanks :) you solved half the puzzle, the other half was solved by me, which still needs manual override of default gw | 12:03 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: nope, it's here all right. Found the display page: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2009/profile/show-list-item.php?root=maemo2midgard&view=markup | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?q=org_openpsa_qbpager+-inurl%3Amaemo.org%2Fprofile+-inurl%3Agreywolves.org&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2 is helpful too | 12:04 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midgardmvc/org_openpsa_qbpager | 12:04 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: yeah, but from what I can tell that's just the pager module | 12:08 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: doesn't actually do any user-querying | 12:08 |
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| crashanddie | X-Fade: why the hell aren't you working on sundays, eh? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | cos he works enough during the week? :P | 12:12 |
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| TermanaN900 | your sheild is no match for me | 12:22 |
| TermanaN900 | pew pew pew | 12:22 |
| TermanaN900 | :P | 12:22 |
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| kerio | m[ | 12:24 |
| kerio | hah | 12:24 |
| kerio | catches shots and sends them back | 12:24 |
| kerio | (that m is a spring) | 12:24 |
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| TermanaN900 | kerio, looks more like perl | 12:30 |
| TermanaN900 | :D | 12:30 |
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| alterego | Does the iPhone web browser support multiple windows or tabs? | 12:57 |
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| Venemo | alterego: this is probably a bad place to ask :P | 12:59 |
| psycho_oreos | there's always ##apple | 13:00 |
| alterego | Well, I don't want to go into #iphone as I'd probably get caught in the Steve Jobs distortion field. | 13:00 |
| TermanaN900 | alterego, yes. tabs-kind of thing | 13:00 |
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| alterego | okay, that's cool | 13:01 |
| TermanaN900 | alterego, think, webOS cards or MeeGo (handset) windows | 13:01 |
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| jacekowski | but it looks like it reloads them when you switch | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | so you have 2 or 3 tabs open | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | i think it's just 2 | 13:02 |
| jacekowski | and then next tabs are fake tabs | 13:02 |
| TermanaN900 | jacekowski, indication it is still a POS :) :P | 13:02 |
| alterego | Interesting, presumably lack of resources. | 13:02 |
| alterego | I wonder if that's the same on the iPad | 13:03 |
| psycho_oreos | think ipad has less RAM available | 13:04 |
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| psycho_oreos | err less RAM available compared to iphone 4 | 13:04 |
| alterego | Well, the iPad is a 3GS generation device. | 13:05 |
| alterego | I'm sure the iPad (4) will be amazing, with it's cool sleek external antenna design :) | 13:06 |
| psycho_oreos | more like enlarged *snickers* | 13:06 |
| alterego | And un-ergonomic styling. | 13:06 |
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| psycho_oreos | and steve jobs will be up there again making stories up.. or the media will put words in his mouth.. no two stories agree with each other as we all know what jobs is like anyway | 13:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | he'll remain frail but continuing to maintain power from his death bed *ducks* | 13:08 |
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| TermanaN900 | psycho_oreos, jobs is supposed to be god, not the godfather or something :P | 13:10 |
| psycho_oreos | TermanaN900, hardly any different to me.. he probably plays multiple roles | 13:11 |
| TermanaN900 | psycho_oreos, including The Leacher | 13:12 |
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| psycho_oreos | TermanaN900, leacher? | 13:15 |
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| TermanaN900 | psycho_oreos, well i mean, they take a lot of open source and either a) license major changes differently or b) change and keep propriatary (if the license allows) | 13:16 |
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| TermanaN900 | so, i think its fair to say Jobs and Co. are leachers off of open source | 13:17 |
| psycho_oreos | TermanaN900, I define that as code thief :) but that's no different to gates/ballmer | 13:17 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: wasn't able to find anything interesting for the user list, will have to ask someone who worked on the code previously | 13:18 |
| TermanaN900 | psycho_oreos, does it look like im defending them either? :P | 13:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | makes me think back to that documentary, pirates of the silicon valley.."Good artists copy, great artists steal" - picasso | 13:18 |
| crashanddie | TermanaN900: you're always playing the devil's advocate, so, "Yes" is my answer. | 13:18 |
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| Corsac | psycho_oreos: I'm not exactly sure Picasso was thinking about source code though | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: why do you quote a documentary that quotes a painter rather than quoting the painter directly? | 13:19 |
| psycho_oreos | TermanaN900, nope but that's good :) mac fans don't mix well with linux fans | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: wtf? | 13:19 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: I'm a mac fan, also a thorough linux fan | 13:19 |
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| Dmitrys | ... hello, and I am a PC =) | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | Corsac, no but you can treat it as an analogy rather than a direct comparison | 13:20 |
| Corsac | crashanddie: no you're not, you _have_ to choose! | 13:20 |
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| TermanaN900 | Dmitrys, :P | 13:20 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, because the quote doesn't belong to me :) | 13:20 |
| crashanddie | Corsac: NOOOOOOOOOOOO | 13:20 |
| Corsac | psycho_oreos: I was kinda ironic, too | 13:20 |
| Dmitrys | gentlemen, wtf you're talking about again and again? =) | 13:21 |
| psycho_oreos | Corsac, well I fell through :P | 13:21 |
| crashanddie | Dmitrys: as usual, some idiot is talking about copyright, and somehow managed to include Apple in the discussion. | 13:21 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, there are parts where I'm sure you will come to terms in dispute :) | 13:21 |
| Dmitrys | omg... it's escalading again =( | 13:22 |
| psycho_oreos | and the person who refers to the other person as an idiot missed what was said :p | 13:22 |
| Dmitrys | c'mon people... just stop it... useless =) | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: ok, I'll bite. "Linux is nice when you're a student and have no money and all, but OSX is just when you're an adult, and can't be bothered to recompile your kernel ever two weeks" | 13:22 |
| crashanddie | </tongue_in_cheek> | 13:22 |
| Dmitrys | crashanddie that's right =) | 13:23 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, I can't see how maemo was designed to make the user/owner compile their kernels? elaborate? | 13:23 |
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| crashanddie | did I say Maemo? | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | did I hear Mac? | 13:23 |
| Dmitrys | MohammadAG51 what about particular Mac? | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | mac fans | 13:24 |
| psycho_oreos | and yes maybe apple's products are nice but I'd hate to be controlled.. the lack of freedom on iphone for example is apparent | 13:24 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: Seth MacFarlane? | 13:24 |
| Dmitrys | ppl are talking about differences | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, that's the one, ty | 13:24 |
| psycho_oreos | no you didn't say a maemo but you're trying to stereotype no? | 13:24 |
| Dmitrys | betweeen god sake mac and linux | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | they both pwn windows, EOF | 13:24 |
| Dmitrys | )))))))) | 13:25 |
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| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: yes, "tongue in cheek" should've warned you about the sarcasm in my comment ;) | 13:25 |
| crashanddie | psycho_oreos: now get off your high horses and go troll somewhere else | 13:25 |
| kerio | os x is a really nice desktop OS | 13:25 |
| * psycho_oreos sighs | 13:25 | |
| kerio | probably better than foobuntu | 13:25 |
| Dmitrys | heeey! maemo is not ubuntu... it's not a DESKTOPPY linukz =) | 13:26 |
| psycho_oreos | crashanddie, since when was I trolling? | 13:26 |
| kerio | for servers or embedded systems... linux ftfw | 13:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | since the globe went flat | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | kerio: if only the updates could be less than 5Gigs :P | 13:26 |
| crashanddie | kerio: the software update app is yelling at me for the past couple weeks because I don't have enough space on the HD so it can update the system :P | 13:26 |
| kerio | crashanddie: yeah :( i'm on a crappy connection atm, cba to download stuff for 6 hours | 13:27 |
| alterego | I use my phobe get about 2.5Mb | 13:27 |
| crashanddie | kinda reminds of maemo in a way :P "Not enough free space available to update" :P | 13:27 |
| Dmitrys | allright! what about meego? what is the current stage of adaptation for n900? | 13:27 |
| alterego | 15 minutes for an average software update on ubuntu | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | #meego | 13:28 |
| kerio | Dmitrys: "not much" | 13:28 |
| kerio | alterego: regular updates, sure | 13:28 |
| Dmitrys | still useless? | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | #meego | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | alterego: well, again, depends of the network | 13:28 |
| kerio | the Enterprise solution is to release bigass updates in a pack | 13:28 |
| psycho_oreos | nice, I'll keep my eye in that channel | 13:28 |
| Dmitrys | MohammadAG51 thank you mr. Mohammad - I am already there... | 13:28 |
| alterego | kerio: I did a clean install and update yesterday, 20 minutes using my N900 | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | Dmitrys, then ask there :) | 13:28 |
| crashanddie | alterego: I can give you the address of a luxury hotel in Brisbane where updating a fresh install of ubuntu (one of my vm images) took over 2 weeks :D | 13:29 |
| kerio | and we all know that's the Only True Way | 13:29 |
| alterego | I'm quite lucky, I've got good 3G connection here. | 13:29 |
| Dmitrys | MohammadAG51 no diff btw meego and maemo at the moment | 13:29 |
| alterego | crashanddie: you were there for two weeks? :) | 13:29 |
| Termana | crashanddie, OS X is lovely. I was stuck on 10.5.6 on an install, too old to get Safari 4. But it let me update iTunes. But I then couldn't access the store AT ALL - I needed to update Safari for that | 13:29 |
| Termana | Catch 22 | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | Dmitrys: wait, what? | 13:29 |
| Dmitrys | MohammadAG51 this is the way it lives | 13:29 |
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| MohammadAG51 | uhuh | 13:29 |
| crashanddie | Termana: ouch | 13:29 |
| Dmitrys | crashanddie i see no difference excluding UI | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 13:30 |
| Termana | Dmitrys, lol what? | 13:30 |
| Dmitrys | =) | 13:30 |
| crashanddie | Dmitrys: you do realise that maemo is based off debian, and meego is well... not? | 13:30 |
| Termana | Someone tell me he is kidding | 13:30 |
| Termana | He is kidding right? | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, he isn't | 13:30 |
| * Termana dies | 13:31 | |
| valdyn | trolling | 13:31 |
| Dmitrys | sry ppl! I meant purpose! | 13:31 |
| valdyn | blind | 13:31 |
| * MohammadAG51 kill -9s Termana | 13:31 | |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: oh noes, you killed 9 seconds off Termana's life! | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | You bastard! | 13:31 |
| kerio | meego personal setup: | 13:31 |
| Dmitrys | c'mon! =) | 13:31 |
| kerio | 1) yum install apt4rpm | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, no, I used kill -9 :P | 13:31 |
| kerio | 2) apt-get remove yum | 13:31 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: no, you used -9s | 13:31 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, shouldn't -9 kill my parent processes as well. What did they ever do to you!? :P | 13:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, it was used as a verb :P | 13:32 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: you're going to be used as a verb in the past tense if you keep going like this :P | 13:32 |
| alterego | I could really do with removing long keypress in favour key repeat ... | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, cool | 13:32 |
| alterego | Backspace is a pain-in-the-ass | 13:32 |
| kerio | alterego: you can | 13:32 |
| MohammadAG51 | gconf | 13:32 |
| alterego | kerio: I presumed so :P | 13:32 |
| kerio | there's a gconf setting | 13:32 |
| Corsac | alterego: a space in the back? | 13:32 |
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| alterego | Oh great, you got the path? | 13:33 |
| kerio | i'd also like to remove sticky mod keys | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | "So, what happened to that troll in #maemo the other day?" "He was MohammadAG'd" "Oh, ouch, that's gotta hurt". | 13:33 |
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| Termana | lol | 13:33 |
| crashanddie | Damn I'm bored | 13:33 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | Noticed that | 13:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | get off your arse and sudo make me a driver | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | nha, can't really dev | 13:34 |
| MohammadAG51 | I used sudo :( | 13:34 |
| crashanddie | I hurt my back the other day, I have to sit in the couch | 13:34 |
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| crashanddie | and dev'ing with only one 13" screen is a pita | 13:34 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, try sudo gainroot ; sudo make me a driver | 13:35 |
| Termana | :P | 13:35 |
| Termana | err | 13:35 |
| Termana | without the second sudo | 13:35 |
| kerio | sudo sudo sudo make me a driver | 13:35 |
| crashanddie | Termana: you're sudo'ing from root? :P | 13:35 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, no tty, I can't use the spawned shell | 13:35 |
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| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: can you spawn hell? | 13:35 |
| Termana | crashanddie, just making absolutely sure I'm executing as root!!!111!! | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, no, but I can have you spawned in it :P | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, rm -rf /usr | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | I'm already spawned. I though re-spawning was impossible? | 13:36 |
| crashanddie | +t | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, impossible is nothing® | 13:36 |
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| misc-- | hi all, is there a way I can make an application start automatically as soon as the wireless connection goes down? | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | Most probably, using a daemon | 13:37 |
| Termana | create a daemon that listens on dbus? | 13:37 |
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| alterego | /etc/network/ifdown.d | 13:38 |
| misc-- | ah right, it's all controlled through there is it | 13:38 |
| misc-- | ahh | 13:38 |
| alterego | Or whereever it is | 13:38 |
| crashanddie | misc--: there's also the ICD2 framework (or whatever it's called) | 13:39 |
| misc-- | yes, that could be the go... thanks for that, I'll check it out | 13:39 |
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| crashanddie | misc--: which can give you hooks on specific actions (specific wifi connection with specific BSSID is connected, goes down), 3g switches to wifi, etc | 13:39 |
| misc-- | oh ok, I haven't heard of that but thanks =) I'll take a look if the if-down.d doesn't work | 13:39 |
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| misc-- | ohhhh that sounds exactly what I'm after | 13:39 |
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| misc-- | actually, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but sometimes when on 3g, it just does not connect to wireless automatically, even though I've set it up in the settings. Most times it works, but about 30% of the time it does not connect to wireless automatically | 13:40 |
| misc-- | (using titan's kernel, if that's relevant) | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, 3G to wifi? | 13:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, why don't most apps use that | 13:42 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh, why am I asking you | 13:42 |
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| crashanddie | misc--: I think it has to do with how many apps are actually attempting to use new connections | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | misc--: if an app attempts to create new connections, it might search periodically for wifi in vicinity | 13:43 |
| crashanddie | misc--: if however, the apps use the same tube, so the internet connection daemon doesn't get called, no search. | 13:44 |
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| crashanddie | at least, that's how I'd have coded it :P | 13:44 |
| Termana | crashanddie, even though that sound kind of flawed, you still admit thats how you would have coded it? :P | 13:45 |
| misc-- | ahhh, so current connections means that wifi searcher doesn't get called because there are still active connections, where as new connections would force a wifi search to be done, or something? | 13:45 |
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| crashanddie | Termana: it's not flawed. It's the next best option to save battery life (as compared to searching for wifi every 10 minutes) | 13:45 |
| crashanddie | Termana: and yeah, I usually tend to code what I'm asked, even though I'm rarely the one who decides what it should do :) | 13:46 |
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| Termana | battery life? Who needs that | 13:46 |
| crashanddie | misc--: that's how I'd explain the lack of "wifi detection" on a regular basis | 13:46 |
| Termana | :D | 13:46 |
| Termana | Seriously though, is it just me or do the FM daemons suck the life out of your battery? | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | fm usually does | 13:47 |
| Termana | I installed one of the FM players and noticed my battery life went down. It greatly improved when i uninstalled it | 13:47 |
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| misc-- | crashanddie: ok that's interesting. I don't care that there are existing connections on 3g, I would just prefer it to switch right away (or at least whenever the 5 minute search happens). Oh well | 13:47 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: did you see the light painting warfare video? | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: you have access to youtube, and all that, yeah? | 13:49 |
| crashanddie | :P | 13:49 |
| Termana | :P | 13:49 |
| Termana | YouTube is owned by the big bad Google, so MohammadAG51 doesn't go there | 13:49 |
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| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SWfPoITlP8 | 13:50 |
| crashanddie | excellent video | 13:50 |
| alterego | Hrm, can't find the gconf key. | 13:50 |
| alterego | Or at leaset the one I toggled didn't seem to do it. | 13:51 |
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| alterego | lcuk: ping | 13:52 |
| lcuk | hey alterego | 13:53 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, thats like the light games you played around your bike | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: yup | 13:53 |
| alterego | I was just thinking, you said you split up your YUV into a planar representation | 13:53 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: except I did maybe 10 pictures worth of it, they did 500 pictures, with a story :P | 13:53 |
| lcuk | yeah crashanddie that looks awesome | 13:53 |
| alterego | Don't you just need the intensity? You shouldn't have needed colour for your inverse AR stjff :) | 13:54 |
| alterego | I wouldn't have thought. | 13:54 |
| lcuk | alterego, i grabbed the one I wrote for the n810 and I still have to use the planar to render the live camera image | 13:54 |
| lcuk | so the conversion is full color | 13:55 |
| alterego | Ah, fair nuff | 13:55 |
| lcuk | (and on the n810 even included a color muting routine which reduced intensity of the UV planes by half to remove most of the grainyness | 13:55 |
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| alterego | I was just wondering, as it'd make things a lot quicker if you didn't use UV :) | 13:56 |
| lcuk | yeah but now I am glad I did | 13:56 |
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| alterego | Heh | 13:56 |
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| lcuk | because the point sourcesidentified can now be checked for hue | 13:56 |
| lcuk | and I can make sure I only pick out certain bright spots | 13:56 |
| alterego | Right | 13:56 |
| lcuk | ie if I want red lights or something | 13:56 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: another one from the same guy which is pretty cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=031Dshcnso4 | 13:59 |
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| lcuk | oh cool crashanddie | 14:01 |
| lcuk | my mum would love that, she would sit in bedrom shooting into the garden just to fill it with flowers | 14:02 |
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| Dassu | Any YouTube Client for N900 that still works? | 14:02 |
| Termana | I can fap to this | 14:02 |
| Termana | :P Kidding | 14:03 |
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| alterego | Dassu: microb? | 14:03 |
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| Termana | Dassu, zutube (or w/e) doesn't work? | 14:03 |
| lcuk | Dassu, native browser works for me | 14:03 |
| Termana | zoutube* | 14:03 |
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| Dassu | Termana: Zoutube doesn't work and hasn't worked for few months. The fix was posted but it was never implemented | 14:07 |
| Dassu | Imho microb is way too slow. | 14:08 |
| Termana | You know what to do! | 14:08 |
| Termana | OVERCLOCK! | 14:08 |
| * Termana runs | 14:08 | |
| Dassu | .... | 14:08 |
| Termana | :P lol | 14:08 |
| alterego | Dassu: too slow for what? | 14:08 |
| alterego | It plays you tube videos finel | 14:08 |
| Termana | Dassu, its a joke | 14:08 |
| Dassu | Too slow for that type of lash | 14:08 |
| Dassu | *flash | 14:08 |
| alterego | As long as you buffer them first | 14:08 |
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| Dassu | alterego: yes, but it takes time to load and meanwhile the whole device seems to be running at 100% | 14:09 |
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| Dassu | I even use minitube on my Linux laptop because of the flash | 14:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | flash sucks tbh | 14:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | it 100%s my 1.7GHz (signle core) laptop | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | barely touches my i5 | 14:11 |
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| Termana | It locks up my poor EEE PC :P | 14:13 |
| liori | hello... if I started writing an app for maemo now, should I choose gtk or qt? | 14:13 |
| nid0 | qt | 14:13 |
| alterego | Flash is somewhat of a resource hog. | 14:13 |
| Termana | liori, qt | 14:13 |
| Termana | Any browser with HTML5 video support on the N900 atm? | 14:13 |
| alterego | But what are the current alternatives. We're a slave to idiot web designers aswell :) | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, somewhat? | 14:13 |
| Termana | I guess the nightly Chrome builds could be used with HTML5 video on the n900? | 14:14 |
| liori | ...which leads to another question: is there a pleasant language which works on maemo and has good bindings to qt? | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, wouldn't flash be faster? | 14:14 |
| nid0 | current alternatives == silverlight | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | chrome is kind of a proof of concept | 14:14 |
| Dassu | Termana: MicroB but only for OGG theora | 14:14 |
| liori | (c++ is not pleasant, python lacks static typing) | 14:14 |
| lcuk | liori, well what language would suit you | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | PyC | 14:15 |
| liori | anything high-level with static typing | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | :p | 14:15 |
| lcuk | because I don't now of many things that interop with C++ nicely | 14:15 |
| * lcuk sometimes missed ActiveX | 14:15 | |
| MohammadAG51 | o_O | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG51 | isn't that shit well.. shit? | 14:16 |
| liori | something like c# would be good enough for me... except that it doesn't like qt and mono is not ported to maemo | 14:16 |
| lcuk | no, technically ActiveX allowed interop from many places | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | liori, there are mono builds available | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | but to use them you need to add new devkits into scratchbox | 14:17 |
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| Termana_ | Gah these disconnects aren't even funny anymore | 14:17 |
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| * lcuk ponders going back to bed | 14:30 | |
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| * crashanddie is bored | 14:33 | |
| MohammadAG51 | same | 14:34 |
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| Termana | I have a mission for everyone bored, if you choose to accept it | 14:35 |
| * lcuk plays with gestures | 14:35 | |
| Termana | Your mission: Find a brick, and take a photo of you putting it (lightly) against your N900, deliver the picture to me. | 14:35 |
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| Termana | This message will self destruct... when the logs are purged | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | hmm, I have a better challenge | 14:36 |
| lcuk | Termana, thats crap and would need a second device to take photo with | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | get a dozen of bricks, then tape yourself throwing them at Termana | 14:36 |
| Pforce | fuuu what should i do next for DropN900 : | 14:37 |
| Pforce | :P | 14:37 |
| Pforce | upload sync i suppose | 14:37 |
| Termana | MohammadAG51 seems intent on doing malicious damage to me tonight :P | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | a code merge with flyN900 | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG51 | Termana, I don't do *** an*l :P | 14:37 |
| Pforce | :) | 14:37 |
| * MohammadAG51 wonders why he censored that | 14:38 | |
| Termana | MohammadAG51, I didn't mean to participate in NITdroid honestly! Please dont hurt me | 14:38 |
| Pforce | ThrowBox | 14:38 |
| Termana | :P | 14:38 |
| lbt | LMAO .... watching the F1... and they're playing "Fernando" over the Massa/Ferrari section...."If I had to do the same again, I would my firend" :D | 14:39 |
| lcuk | Termana, http://liqbase.net/liq.20100801_001.termana.jpg | 14:39 |
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| Termana | lcuk, do you 'shop that with MS Paint? | 14:40 |
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| lcuk | yes, I am THAT bored | 14:40 |
| Termana | did* | 14:40 |
| lcuk | no | 14:40 |
| Termana | :P | 14:40 |
| * lcuk has been playing with gestures and using liqcalc as the test unit | 14:40 | |
| Termana | lcuk, thanks, now I can tell the trolls on tmo that say their device is bricked, that NO it isn't. THIS N900 is bricked | 14:40 |
| lcuk | its not though, its on | 14:41 |
| Termana | lcuk, would you rather me get you to smash a brick into your n900? :P | 14:41 |
| lcuk | nahh i need them to play with | 14:42 |
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| Termana | No? Then you will say NOTHING of the sort again! | 14:42 |
| Termana | :P | 14:42 |
| lcuk | Termana, http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/raw/master/liqcalc.screenshot.png | 14:42 |
| lcuk | which part of that needs documentation | 14:42 |
| Termana | lcuk, none of it. | 14:42 |
| Termana | SOLAR CELL dims the screen | 14:43 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:43 |
| lcuk | indeed it does! | 14:43 |
| Termana | lcuk, sorry - I was here when you described it before :P | 14:43 |
| Termana | lol | 14:43 |
| lcuk | its the first thing I think that NEEDS capacitive | 14:43 |
| lcuk | so I can proportionally dim it based on how much its covered | 14:43 |
| lcuk | at the moment its just on press | 14:44 |
| Termana | lcuk, I don't... think... capacitive can do that? | 14:44 |
| Termana | Can it? | 14:44 |
| Termana | :P | 14:44 |
| lcuk | yeah sure, you get a splodge | 14:44 |
| lcuk | and can work out size of the splodge | 14:44 |
| Termana | Oh I'm sorry "how much its covered", I thought you said "how hard its covered", as in how hard its pressed :P | 14:45 |
| lcuk | Termana, you only have to block out the incoming light | 14:45 |
| lcuk | :P | 14:45 |
| lcuk | not press it into the ground | 14:45 |
| Termana | lcuk, :P | 14:45 |
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| Termana | lcuk, it would be more life like that way - any calculator I've used that has one you need to press down a bit before it does anything | 14:46 |
| Termana | lcuk, or maybe I was using liqcalc... | 14:46 |
| lcuk | well thats fine, it does that now | 14:46 |
| Termana | :D | 14:46 |
| * lcuk puts optification into libliqbase and re merges the portrait branch | 14:47 | |
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| lcuk | oh cripes - last night i started some minor mods and just left the editor open :( | 14:48 |
| * lcuk should revert and code again | 14:48 | |
| * lcuk dislikes multiple desktops on ubuntu for this reason | 14:50 | |
| lcuk | you "lose" windows too easily | 14:50 |
| alterego | My laptop got a bit of water damage last night. Now it wont turn on. | 14:50 |
| alterego | scht ... | 14:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego: Disconnect battery and any AC. Ideally at the moment it happens. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: Is it a lot of water? | 14:50 |
| Termana | alterego, DocScrutinizer thinks you should put it in rice | 14:51 |
| Termana | :D | 14:51 |
| alterego | Not too much | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: how clean water? | 14:51 |
| alterego | I've taken panels off and am leaving it some time to dry | 14:51 |
| alterego | It was clean water yeah | 14:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Remove hard drive, place in oven at 60C to dry for a day. | 14:52 |
| alterego | Might download the maintanance manual and see about taking it apart properly and drying it manually | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | If you're sure it was clean water. | 14:52 |
| alterego | Then leaving it a bit longer | 14:52 |
| Termana | lcuk, liqbase-playground makes my n900 use more power than the usb charger is providing | 14:52 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah - that's another good idea. | 14:52 |
| Termana | lcuk, stop draining my battery :P | 14:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, I only drink water really ;) | 14:52 |
| lcuk | Termana, what are you running on the playground? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: fuck I never said that | 14:52 |
| lcuk | since using more power is something anything can do, but most of the cells are idle unless used | 14:53 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer51, specifically why I said it old chap - in fact you said it makes no difference | 14:53 |
| Termana | lcuk, I used the torch when the notification came up, so thats probably what it was | 14:54 |
| lcuk | damn! yeah the torch using so much stuff :| not it sits totally idle with a blank screen | 14:54 |
| lcuk | so whatever is draining power is not that | 14:54 |
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| lcuk | whats top saying | 14:55 |
| Termana | lcuk, also, liqbase-playground installed something called onedotzero - it crashed before starting | 14:55 |
| lcuk | yes the packages are a bit stale in -devel | 14:55 |
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| * lcuk has not pushed recently | 14:55 | |
| lcuk | but i replaced one of the odz dependencies there | 14:55 |
| * lcuk will try to update today | 14:56 | |
| Termana | lcuk, doesn't seem to be doing too much in top - though the notification didn't come up again either | 14:56 |
| lcuk | the version in -devel still has lots of green flashes around doesnt it | 14:57 |
| Termana | lcuk, yep | 14:57 |
| * lcuk is pleased to have removed those | 14:58 | |
| Termana | lcuk, also, the postcard app, when I click to draw, it comes up with a credits screen, but when it goes back to the selection screen, it shows that I have been able to draw on the postcard, hidden under the credits screen obviously | 14:58 |
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| lcuk | Termana, yeah, fixed | 15:01 |
| lcuk | are you working from source? i didnt think I had pushed that to -devel yet | 15:01 |
| kerio | what's the front-facing camera for? :/ | 15:01 |
| lcuk | (thats actually bug #1!) http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/issues/issue/1 | 15:02 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it | 15:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 15:02 |
| Termana | lcuk, no, working from -devel | 15:02 |
| Termana | lcuk, there you go, the bot thinks you should ignore it :P | 15:02 |
| lcuk | hmm i didnt think the cover screen had gotten there, ahh well | 15:02 |
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| lcuk | thats fine it has been dealt with and moved past quickly :P | 15:02 |
| lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/commit/d3920198103d6e35f3c020f8901ea4c28d4d5200 | 15:03 |
| crashanddie | heh, dneary has made slashdot :D | 15:03 |
| Termana | I think chrome is having a heart attack on me, keeps force closing pages for no reason | 15:04 |
| Termana | crashanddie, link? | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/08/01/0326208/First-GNOME-Census-Results?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | the first two links first words are "Reposted from Neary Consulting" and "Dave Neary..." respectively. | 15:05 |
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| Termana | Canonical... I'm a disappoint. | 15:07 |
| * Termana uninstalls Ubuntu | 15:07 | |
| Termana | :P | 15:07 |
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| lcuk | morning wazd \o | 15:08 |
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| Ebzzry | Hi! Is it currently possible to send SMS via command line in Maemo 5? | 15:10 |
| Termana | Ebzzry, you should be able to do it with dbus | 15:10 |
| Termana | sec, I'll find the exact command | 15:10 |
| Ebzzry | Termana: :) | 15:10 |
| Termana | Ebzzry, eh maybe not dbus if you don't want to use python, but if you use pnatd and send the correct AT commands you can send an SMS | 15:11 |
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| Ebzzry | Termana: Do you happen to have a link to the docs? | 15:12 |
| Termana | Although SMS could be done over dbus, I can't figure out the listed script quickly enough to tell you the exact command | 15:12 |
| Termana | Ebzzry, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS | 15:13 |
| Termana | There might be something outside that, I don't know | 15:13 |
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| Ebzzry | Termana: I'll go and check it out now. | 15:14 |
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| Ebzzry | Termana: Thanks | 15:21 |
| * lcuk just send a posthumous SMS message to mrs lcuk | 15:21 | |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: eh? | 15:23 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: tracy passed? | 15:23 |
| lcuk | no | 15:23 |
| Venemo | hi | 15:24 |
| lcuk | she said "i am just getting some dinner in the shopping centre cafe before i die of starvation" | 15:24 |
| lcuk | so i texted back saying i had already died | 15:24 |
| Venemo | can the Maemo SDK be installed on 64-bit Linux? | 15:24 |
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| Venemo | the installer says "not supported, but you can install it anyways" | 15:24 |
| lcuk | Venemo, yes but with more gotchas than in 32bit, i believe the documentaiton on maemo.org goes through it | 15:24 |
| Venemo | will it actually work? | 15:25 |
| derf | It works just fine for me. | 15:25 |
| Venemo | will it work on Fedora? | 15:26 |
| derf | Gekk if I know. | 15:26 |
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| crashanddie | Venemo: I hear Meego works well on Fedora | 15:26 |
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| Venemo | crashanddie: perhaps, but I'm interested in the current N900 SDK | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | s/Fedora/Fedora :P/ | 15:27 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: Venemo: I hear Meego works well on Fedora :P | 15:27 |
| lcuk | he wants an sdk - Venemo what apps are you trying to develop - ie qt only or general gtk/misc apps? | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | I'd love to be able to dev natively on OSX for the N900 | 15:28 |
| Venemo | lcuk: I want to be able to compile and run all the apps that people develop with Scratchbox | 15:29 |
| Venemo | lcuk: I already have Nokia Qt SDK up and running :) | 15:29 |
| lcuk | Venemo, then if your linux foo is strong yo ushould get it on, but as it says its not supported | 15:29 |
| Venemo | lcuk: well, I don't really care if it is supported or not, it is enough if it works | 15:30 |
| Venemo | hm, E: Scratchbox cannot be used under Security Enchanced Linux (SELinux). | 15:30 |
| Venemo | it seems that I have to disable SELinux | 15:30 |
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| GNU\caust1c | hi! my n900 recently shutdown because of low battery while i was installing a package and was stuck in a reboot loop afterwards and it didnt charge | 15:43 |
| GNU\caust1c | someone proposed to put the device into r&d mode, which i did now. it is connected to usb right now and the orange light is on, but it isn't flashing. is the device charging now? | 15:43 |
| GNU\caust1c | it isnt rebooting now, it just shows the nokia logo with the maintainence logo | 15:44 |
| Venemo | GNU\caust1c: will it not charge if you leave it on the charger? | 15:46 |
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| GNU\caust1c | it is constantly rebooting on the charger | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | flash the entire thing. | 15:46 |
| GNU\caust1c | i need to charge the battery first | 15:46 |
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| knightstalker | Hello,I don't know why my fring doesn't have skype add-on anymore,I am sure I was using it some time ago but it doesn't do skype anymore,any reasons? | 15:47 |
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| Venemo | GNU\caust1c: yep, I second the reflash opinion | 15:47 |
| GNU\caust1c | i hope its charging right now, but i don't know it, thats why i'm asking | 15:47 |
| Venemo | knightstalker: noone knows, but it seems that fring no longer supports Skype | 15:48 |
| knightstalker | Venemo,Ahhh,Thats bad,so there are now no standalone skype client? | 15:48 |
| Venemo | knightstalker: I dunno. What's wrong with the built-in one? | 15:49 |
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| knightstalker | Venemo,Well,Can I make video calls with it?Or probably use the chat system of it? | 15:49 |
| Venemo | knightstalker: yes, both. | 15:50 |
| knightstalker | I know I can make voice calls to a phone(I think),but can I make voice calls to a user? | 15:50 |
| knightstalker | well then,it seems to be fine :p | 15:50 |
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| knightstalker | eh,Venemo,How can I access Skype's page in built-in system which I can tell it to make video calls or do text(for voice call I know that I just need to go to phone) | 15:53 |
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| wazd | lcuk: o/ | 15:55 |
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| knightstalker | do chat* | 15:57 |
| knightstalker | http://www.fring.com/newsroom/skypeblocksfring.asp | 15:59 |
| knightstalker | Silly skype </3 | 16:00 |
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| FauxFaux | knightstalker: Read the Skype response to that. Silly fring. | 16:01 |
| crashanddie | hi wazd | 16:01 |
| knightstalker | FauxFaux,k :p | 16:02 |
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| knightstalker | FauxFaux,so can you also answer me? XD | 16:03 |
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| knightstalker | "In this case, however, there is no truth to Fring’s claims that Skype has blocked it. Fring made the decision to remove Skype functionality on its own." XDDDD | 16:05 |
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| knightstalker | but I also beleive skype doesn't work so good in their clients,for an example,its linux client which suck terribly :p | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 16:07 |
| knightstalker | Jup :p | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | Have you seen Skype on the N900 mate? Works fine | 16:08 |
| knightstalker | Sure I did | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | Have you seen Skype on OSX? Works fine. | 16:08 |
| knightstalker | I didn't :p | 16:08 |
| knightstalker | XD | 16:08 |
| knightstalker | Well,They work fine | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | I've been using Skype for the past what, 8 years? Never had issues -- maybe sometimes some weird funky routing problems but that's about it | 16:08 |
| knightstalker | but have you ever seen the linux version?Windows version is way better | 16:08 |
| knightstalker | And linux version compared to the windows one is crap | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | I don't think so, but meh, you have your opinion and don't wish to change it | 16:09 |
| crashanddie | your first statement made that very clear. | 16:09 |
| knightstalker | It did :p | 16:09 |
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| crashanddie | you use smileys a bit too often mate. This isn't /b/ | 16:09 |
| knightstalker | I don't think using smiley does harm users eyes though and I like them | 16:10 |
| jacekowski | linux version isn't crap | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | it just lags a bit after all other version | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | video calls were added little bit later | 16:11 |
| jacekowski | alsa support was added couple years too late | 16:11 |
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| jacekowski | but it is same as windows skype was 5 years ago | 16:12 |
| knightstalker | Generally,They update it ages after they do the windows skype | 16:12 |
| jacekowski | because nobody cares about linux | 16:12 |
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| knightstalker | jacekowski,and what you are saying is fail | 16:12 |
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| knightstalker | I know that windows users are more,but that doesn't mean to ignore linux completely | 16:13 |
| crashanddie | how about you stfu? | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | to be honest " :p " hurts my eyes | 16:13 |
| knightstalker | k then | 16:13 |
| knightstalker | I stfu | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | they don't ignore it completly | 16:13 |
| jacekowski | they just leave it little bit behind | 16:14 |
| crashanddie | they have a bloody official client, which does nearly everything the other clients do | 16:15 |
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| knightstalker | crashanddie,sorry but,didn't you just end the topic? | 16:15 |
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| crashanddie | now I did | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | veto | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | yeah, me too, that's unacceptable crashanddie | 16:16 |
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| jacekowski | crashanddie: little bit waspy today? | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | quite | 16:16 |
| crashanddie | I'm just too f'in bored | 16:16 |
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| crashanddie | nothing to do, weather isn't really nice, nobody available to go see | 16:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer hands crashanddie a lolly | 16:17 | |
| crashanddie | weeeeeeeeeeeeee | 16:18 |
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| luke-jr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYmEICNgOQ | 16:20 |
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| knightstalker | oO | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: clean access list up a bit? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | *!i=coffee@mug.ipv6.c0ffee.org WTF?! | 16:22 |
| zash | OMG, You can write coffe in hex! omfg | 16:24 |
| zash | 12648430 \o/ | 16:24 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: keep in mind the access list is at least 5 years old.. | 16:28 |
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| lcuk | mmmm fake cheese on toast is poor but nutricious substitute for putting the grill on a for a while | 16:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FAKE cheese?? :-o°°|) | 16:41 |
| luke-jr | freenode_#sane.log:[Friday 02 October 2009] [06:51:46 pm] Join c0ffee has joined this channel (n=coffee@mug.ipv6.c0ffee.org). | 16:41 |
| luke-jr | fwiw | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeeeha | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | -NickServ- Last seen : Dec 27 01:32:46 2009 (31 weeks, 0 days, 12:09:43 ago) | 16:42 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, grated cheese put on regular toast and zapped in the microwave for a bit | 16:43 |
| lcuk | vs real toasted cheese under the grill | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | one takes a few seconds, the other needs warming up the oven for a while | 16:44 |
| Termana | Somehow I opened up 2 xchat windows | 16:44 |
| Termana | :P | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | thought you're talking about those indigestible mockup products like analog cheese, preferably from a can sprayed on the toast | 16:44 |
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| knightstalker | Termana,what do you mean? | 16:45 |
| lcuk | lol nope not quite that bad | 16:45 |
| Termana | knightstalker, I opened up two xchat windows. Pretty much means exactly that :P | 16:45 |
| lcuk | jake helped me put black pepper on it | 16:45 |
| lcuk | i think we will be finding random bits of pepper around the kitchen for the next few months | 16:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: so what? | 16:45 |
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| knightstalker | Termana,Then,I don't feel thats weird? | 16:46 |
| Termana | Sounds like someone hasn't had their milk yet | 16:46 |
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| lcuk | Termana, at least with opening 2 instances you can be sure of getting an answer if you ask something | 16:46 |
| lcuk | unless your clone doesnt like the sound of you either :P | 16:46 |
| Termana | lcuk, :P | 16:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: don't make me angry, you already managed to wake me up by highlighting me with incorrect quotes :-S | 16:47 |
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| Knight|HW | ^wow,The sound you use for HighLight must be horrible XD | 16:48 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, I'm sorry for waking you. Though I fail to see how you awoke quite a bit after I highlighted you. Do you make it beep at you every 5 minutes when your highlighted or something? | 16:48 |
| Knight|HW | which managed to wake you up | 16:48 |
| * lcuk has bacon as a highlight | 16:49 | |
| Termana | mmm bacon | 16:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: what detail makes you think I woke up *after* you highlighted me? | 16:49 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, Let me propose this to you. If you don't want to be woken up when people say your name, turn off your speakers. | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: of course I woke up the very moment you posted <Termana> alterego, DocScrutinizer thinks you should put it in rice | 16:50 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, not because I highlighted you though | 16:51 |
| Knight|HW | I say,highlighting someone isn | 16:51 |
| Termana | Because I said "thinks you should put it in rice", the highlight didn't wake you | 16:51 |
| Knight|HW | isn't a good reason to fight and discuss it for some time XD | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: even worse, you spread lies about me *without* highlighting me :-P | 16:51 |
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| FireStorm| | guys, got a problem, i've cracked my screen so can't use the phone, is there anyway to get contacts off it, unforuntly they are not saved to sim :( | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | FireStorm|: use AV-cale and TV | 16:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | cable even | 16:53 |
| FireStorm| | do i need to do anything as i got password on it | 16:53 |
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| Knight|HW | you can use keyboard cant you? | 16:54 |
| FireStorm| | so can't use the screen | 16:54 |
| Knight|HW | You just connect it to TV and use the keyboard to input the password | 16:54 |
| FireStorm| | or can u use the keyboard to enter in password | 16:54 |
| FireStorm| | ^^^ :p | 16:54 |
| FireStorm| | ur a legend | 16:54 |
| Knight|HW | hmm | 16:55 |
| FireStorm| | wish i knew that last night | 16:55 |
| FireStorm| | phone got into a fight and lost | 16:55 |
| FireStorm| | :( | 16:55 |
| Knight|HW | omg | 16:55 |
| Knight|HW | you use such phone for a fight XD | 16:55 |
| Knight|HW | such a big risk | 16:55 |
| FireStorm| | no | 16:55 |
| FireStorm| | we got into a fight | 16:55 |
| FireStorm| | and it was in pocket | 16:55 |
| FireStorm| | and we beat matey up | 16:56 |
| Knight|HW | aha | 16:56 |
| FireStorm| | but the phone suffered a cracked screen ;9 | 16:56 |
| FireStorm| | that might been the coppers man handlign me to the floor | 16:56 |
| lcuk | but you shouldv seen the state of the other guys' phone | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | will cost you ~80 bucks | 16:56 |
| Knight|HW | DocScrutinizer,hmm,do ssh in N900 auto runs when the mobile starts up? | 16:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Knight|HW: If you have installed the daemon. | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you installed ssh server then yes | 16:56 |
| FireStorm| | oooo | 16:57 |
| FireStorm| | i wonder | 16:57 |
| SpeedEvil | openssh client/server | 16:57 |
| Knight|HW | Okay,Thanks,and yeah I meant the ssh server XD | 16:57 |
| FireStorm| | lcuk dunno about the other bloke he went off in a ambulance... | 16:57 |
| Knight|HW | FireStorm| if you possibly had ssh you could use it to install vnc and then using vnc you could made a visual connection to the phone | 16:58 |
| FireStorm| | DocScrutinizer it's insured, spoke to shop n they wann send it off for 2 -4 weeks | 16:58 |
| FireStorm| | yer vnc is installed | 16:58 |
| Knight|HW | I am pretty sure by then you could enter the password | 16:58 |
| FireStorm| | ssh is running | 16:58 |
| FireStorm| | but | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Knight|HW: there are weido hacks to stop/start sshd on click of a button/icon/widget | 16:58 |
| FireStorm| | i would need to connect it via cable? | 16:58 |
| FireStorm| | or over local wireless | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | but you'd know if you got one of those | 16:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | FireStorm|: yep | 16:59 |
| Knight|HW | FireStorm| I don't know the cable way,maybe ask others but yeah,for wireless,yeah,just connect it to wireless find its local IP via the router and connect to it <3 | 16:59 |
| FireStorm| | lcuk i couldn't help it that his mega gorgeous bird grabbed my fake cock and stuck it in her mouth :d | 16:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | FireStorm|: why don't you use TV?? | 16:59 |
| Knight|HW | And omg,I have HomeWork | 16:59 |
| FireStorm| | yer i am going to go via t.v be easier | 16:59 |
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| Knight|HW | DocScrutinizer,He wonders if he can put pass via keyboard I beleive | 16:59 |
| FireStorm| | yer | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can | 17:00 |
| lcuk | FireStorm|, wtf :S not the sort of info that comes out of this discussion | 17:00 |
| Knight|HW | I think we can right | 17:00 |
| Knight|HW | ? | 17:00 |
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| Termana | Oh jees. How brought t.m.o here? | 17:00 |
| Termana | Who* | 17:00 |
| Knight|HW | Right XD | 17:00 |
| FireStorm| | lol was on a stag do :D | 17:00 |
| FireStorm| | and he got jealous and got beat up and i broke phone :( | 17:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: you! | 17:00 |
| FireStorm| | but the g1 in other pocket is perfect :( | 17:00 |
| FireStorm| | cheap nokia crap? | 17:00 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, yes, just like I woke you - all lies I tells ya! | 17:01 |
| Knight|HW | Something else,Do someone knows why N900 hates "|" ?I couldn't manage to find it on keyboard OR use vnc to use that character | 17:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: so finally you know what to get for your serial fixture? | 17:01 |
| Termana | Knight|HW, its not on the keyboard, which explains why you cant find it. | 17:02 |
| technomike | On searching the net, I have just found out about R&D mode :o | 17:02 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, no? Am I suppose to know? | 17:02 |
| Knight|HW | Termana,I am not blind ofc...did you just read the main question? .-. | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 17:02 |
| Termana | supposed* | 17:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm | 17:03 |
| Termana | Knight|HW, the N900 is an inanimate object and doesn't have feelings, therefore I concluded that it doesn't hate it | 17:03 |
| Knight|HW | okay thanks for the answer... | 17:03 |
| technomike | Guys, what is the benefit/use of ASTERISK PBX on n900/maemo ?? | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus some minor rework by soldering wires to correct pogopins, maybe | 17:03 |
| luke-jr | Knight|HW: because Nokia is too stupid to design a decent keyboard :/ | 17:03 |
| technomike | its a VOIP server right? :S why would you need that on a phone. running a pbx server from phone... | 17:03 |
| technomike | what :S | 17:04 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, wouldnt that cause problems with pressing the touchscreen and or real keys? | 17:04 |
| luke-jr | technomike: maybe someone wants voicemail on their phone? | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | tchan: it's nonsense basically, for those too daft to set up their VoIP clients correctly :-P | 17:04 |
| Termana | Knight|HW, I don't think your very appreciative of my answer | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | technomike: For example, you might want to not answer calls directly, but have them go to an answerphone on your phone. | 17:04 |
| Termana | Are you disrespecting me? | 17:04 |
| Termana | :P | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | technomike: ^^^ | 17:04 |
| luke-jr | technomike: maybe a hack for IAX2 support | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry tchan | 17:04 |
| technomike | Ahhhhhhhhhh ! Thanks. Understand now. :D | 17:04 |
| SpeedEvil | technomike: Or have that happen for only annoying people in your contacts list. | 17:05 |
| technomike | Might try that out then | 17:05 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, hmm, that seems cheaper than anything you said :P | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: for ts I'd say *IF* it does then just lock screen :-D | 17:05 |
| luke-jr | Asterisk includes a sound clip of monkeys. Maybe it's useful for ringtones. | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | for kbd I don't think it's a real problem | 17:05 |
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| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, theres many instances where holding keyboard and getting extra characters causes problems | 17:07 |
| Knight|HW | ^ the | thingy?Yeah its not a real problem,but,Its sometime a pain while doing some commands on terminal and Debian,like using grep and... | 17:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: keys won't get pressed by the fixture | 17:07 |
| eichi | hello, are there many difference, if i write an QT App c++ for linux x86 or maemo 4 or maemo 5 or meego etc? | 17:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: also you can support the phone on the key-free zones at right and left end | 17:08 |
| eichi | because i want to write one, which works on all of them | 17:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ...which btw you can do for ts as well | 17:08 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure, if it works great, just looks like it would need to press | 17:08 |
| lcuk | eichi, *technically* qt should work everywhere if you stick to simple baseline things | 17:09 |
| lcuk | however once you go beyond that you may have compatability issues | 17:09 |
| lcuk | and each place you need it may still need specific defines and stuff - just like any cross platformy bits | 17:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Termana: I can get such fixture for you and do the needed reworks | 17:10 |
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| Termana | DocScrutinizer, as long as I don't highlight you when your sleeping again, at least. :P | 17:10 |
| eichi | okay, but its nothing i have to on the very first of beginning to write. means i can make this things later like | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nvm | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | j/k | 17:10 |
| eichi | more like "porting to mobile devices" then | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | eichi: yep | 17:11 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer, quick pm? | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | go ahead | 17:12 |
| lcuk | eichi, it depends on what qt features you think you need | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | eichi: lcuk: for a hello world it doesn't matter | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | for special hildonization it does | 17:13 |
| luke-jr | eichi: Maemo 4… is very dead now | 17:14 |
| eichi | DocScrutinizer i need kalender widget style sql and a mapwidget | 17:14 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, but it has qt on it and lots of devices exist and other apps work on it | 17:14 |
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| eichi | luke-jr: yeah, but the only thing works on my n800 usable | 17:14 |
| luke-jr | lcuk: it does? | 17:14 |
| lcuk | and my 810 would have even more use if the damn mapping license server would let me BUY a license | 17:14 |
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| luke-jr | eichi: I run Gentoo | 17:14 |
| eichi | luke-jr: which desktop? | 17:15 |
| lcuk | luke-jr, sure, the device is alive | 17:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll see what it needs for special care on N900 as soon as you try it on the device. The base shouldn't hold any completely wrong bits though, just missing a few | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | eichi: KDE | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | but really usually CLI | 17:15 |
| luke-jr | just KDE for web and such | 17:16 |
| eichi | i dont like gentoo, but maybe i try archlinux on n800 | 17:16 |
| eichi | would be an idea | 17:16 |
| luke-jr | didn't know they had a port | 17:16 |
| eichi | gentoo has? | 17:17 |
| luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, qt on maemo4 aka diablo? /me wonders... | 17:17 |
| luke-jr | of course, porting Gentoo is trivial | 17:17 |
| lcuk | yes DocScrutinizer | 17:17 |
| Jucato | Qt 4.5 | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | k | 17:17 |
| lcuk | perfectly feasible to allow apps to be written and used | 17:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | so prolly you had to do a considerable effort to backport qt4.6|7 programs | 17:18 |
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| lcuk | yes but when writing for compatability, you work with minimal working set to get effect required | 17:20 |
| CasTTeLLo | hello | 17:21 |
| lcuk | hello CasTTeLLo \o | 17:21 |
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| CasTTeLLo | :) | 17:22 |
| lcuk | germany 1:0 Nigeria womans U20 world cup final | 17:22 |
| lcuk | 65 minutes played :) | 17:22 |
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| crashanddie | do they all look like rooney? | 17:32 |
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| alterego | Well, it's done. | 17:33 |
| alterego | I've managed to take my laptop apart | 17:33 |
| alterego | Putting it back together will be exciting. And I've got a blister from undoing all the absurdly tight screws :( | 17:34 |
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| FireStorm| | oh for ur records u need to use the screen to enter in pass code on boot up via av cable | 17:35 |
| FireStorm| | oh for ur records u need to use the screen to enter in pass code on boot up via av cable | 17:35 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, no its quite reasonable | 17:35 |
| Termana | Please don't repeat yourself for no reason | 17:35 |
| FireStorm| | i didn't mean to as i disconnected :p | 17:36 |
| FireStorm| | sent oen before n one on connect | 17:36 |
| FireStorm| | so :p | 17:36 |
| FireStorm| | but it's not bad as u can guess where buttons are based on what u can see on the screen | 17:36 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: somehow, I can't help but think of the nigerian players trying to convince the german players that they're the daughter of rich army generals. | 17:37 |
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| Termana | Strange, I wonder why my n900 just timed out, but I didn't (since I'm connected through it) :P | 17:37 |
| lcuk | its a football game crashanddie | 17:37 |
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| mhmh | anyone tried to get silverlight streaming to work? | 17:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FireStorm|: if lock password isn't possible to enter via hw kbd then that's definitely a bug. On a helping sidenote you probably can see from screen which key you pressed on touch sensor, as the key should highlight, and it is actually entered on releasing the touch, so you should be able to touch on arbitrary position, then slide your finger to highlight the correct key before release | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/from screen/from TV | 17:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FireStorm|: do a decent backup (via backup utility) to the SD card. For the contacts you might want to export as vcards (or csv), also to the sd card | 17:44 |
| FireStorm| | DocScrutinizer yer i done it that way | 17:44 |
| FireStorm| | but just saying u can't use the keyboard on the pass code has to eb touch screen | 17:45 |
| FireStorm| | and yes i worked out where buttons where and tapped it in | 17:45 |
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| FireStorm| | but if touch screen fails then ur in trouble | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, and that's definitley a bug | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never noticed as I don't use lock password | 17:46 |
| FireStorm| | i do as i can't trust people at work | 17:46 |
| FireStorm| | :) | 17:46 |
| FireStorm| | who do i report bugs to then? | 17:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | bugs.maemo.org ? | 17:48 |
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| felipec | is anyone around maintaining mplayer, or anything using FFmpeg? | 17:50 |
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| alterego | I wonder what is happening to my servers internet connection to cause these reconnects .... | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | Germany just won U20 womans World Cup 2:0 against Nigeria | 17:55 |
| FireStorm| | times out | 17:55 |
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| FireStorm| | so drops connection | 17:55 |
| FireStorm| | google the error i'm sure there is a router change to fix it | 17:55 |
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| alterego | No, the connection issue is in a datacentre in the US | 17:57 |
| alterego | Nothing to do with my internet connection. It's the connection of the server I remotely log into which I keep IRSSI running in a screen session | 17:57 |
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| FireStorm| | oh lol | 17:59 |
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| alterego | Think I'll spend this afternoon writing a little toy app | 18:10 |
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| trumee | anybody know which package provides the telepathy sofia sip libraries on N900? | 18:12 |
| alterego | I saw an app similar on Android, thought it'd be a neat toy :) | 18:12 |
| trumee | This page is only for maemo4 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ | 18:12 |
| timeless_mbp | trumee: dpkg -l is your friend? | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | the packages are part of the platform... | 18:13 |
| timeless_mbp | dpkg -S also works... | 18:14 |
| trumee | timeless_mbp: i am still struggling with poor sip performance on N900 :( | 18:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm struggling w/ having to do some technical writing | 18:15 |
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| ShadowJK | ouch, texrat had his USB port separate a second time.. | 18:48 |
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| lcuk | he should stop swinging it by its lead then | 18:50 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've still had no issue with my USB port. | 18:52 |
| alterego | Makes me wonder how these people are treating theirs, I plug-unplug mine probably at the very least 10 times a day, and anything up to 30 I would have thought | 18:52 |
| lcuk | the only time i got concerned really was when i wanted to disable alarm and pulled whilst plugged in to take it back to bed | 18:52 |
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| lcuk | alterego, i have 1 usb lead and 3 devices on regular cycle between it | 18:53 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:53 |
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| alterego | 3 devices, you're so greedy :P | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | alterego, not really i have uses for them | 18:54 |
| * lcuk could do with more really | 18:54 | |
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| alterego | Heh | 18:54 |
| lcuk | but this works for testing | 18:54 |
| alterego | I could do with more (more than one) | 18:54 |
| alterego | Unfortunately I have to make do with what I have :P | 18:54 |
| alterego | And backup lots .. | 18:54 |
| lcuk | yeah | 18:54 |
| lcuk | cant do too much on the others apart from cycle through test builds and comparative stuff | 18:55 |
| alterego | I'm working on a toy app at the moment, I saw on an Android phone the other day. It's a programmable scrolling LED display toy app | 18:56 |
| lcuk | i would really like to see inductive charging plates | 18:56 |
| alterego | You configure a message and it shows on the screen a LED style display with the message. | 18:56 |
| alterego | Kind of pointless, but I kind of felt an itch to write it :D | 18:56 |
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| lcuk | someone had one designed using liqbase as the editor | 18:58 |
| * lcuk digs through memory | 18:58 | |
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| alterego | Well, the next step, with USB host mode or RS232 would be to actually program a real one. | 18:59 |
| lcuk | yeah its practical | 18:59 |
| alterego | But as a toy app in the style of andoid and iphone's I thought it was quite fun. | 18:59 |
| lcuk | i think the one they wanted would attach onto bike spokes | 18:59 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:59 |
| alterego | Oh, yeah, those are cool. | 18:59 |
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| alterego | I wonder if I could use the accel for doing something similar .. | 19:00 |
| eichi | luke-jr: what about installing software with gentoo on n800? i used gentoo 3 years and i never liked the time i have to wait on compiling. that was a intel x86 with nearly 3ghz. i start crying if i thing about the time i have to wait in a 400mhz arm. how long did you install kde? 2 weeks? | 19:00 |
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| lcuk | alterego, hmm messages are easy | 19:01 |
| lcuk | i have a nametag doofer here | 19:01 |
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| alterego | I know it's easy .. | 19:02 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.pendant.20091225_001.jpg | 19:02 |
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| lcuk | hung round neck on a lanyard it always stays upright | 19:03 |
| alterego | I don't think you quite understand what I mean. | 19:03 |
| alterego | Using the accel to test for motion to display a 2D led pattern. | 19:03 |
| alterego | Sorry, 1D led patter. | 19:03 |
| alterego | That creates a 2D led pattern as you move it from left to right. | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | ahh i know what you mean then | 19:04 |
| lcuk | you would have lotsa lag | 19:04 |
| lcuk | i keep spinning n900 round on my desk | 19:04 |
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| kerio | that requires a constant spin | 19:04 |
| alterego | And what I'm doing now, is basically dividing the N900 display into a grid of circles, each circle is a LED either on or off. | 19:04 |
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| alterego | Then I'm writing a LED driver for character data that displays letters on the grid, then I make those letters scroll across the grid, like a scrolling LED display :) | 19:05 |
| alterego | It's just a pointless amusement/tiy. | 19:05 |
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| alterego | ~toy | 19:05 |
| lcuk | +1 | 19:05 |
| infobot | i guess toy is usually made of plastic | 19:05 |
| * lcuk nods | 19:05 | |
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| lcuk | alterego, would you dare to attach n900 itself to the wheel of your bike though? | 19:06 |
| alterego | lcuk: hah, no :) | 19:07 |
| lcuk | it would be better using a stripe of christmas tree lights along a spoke | 19:07 |
| alterego | I was thinking more hand-held ;) | 19:07 |
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| alterego | lcuk: yeah, I saw a clock that operated similar, was basically like a metronome with leds on it. | 19:07 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:07 |
| alterego | Showed the time as it moved. | 19:07 |
| alterego | So you don't think the accel data would be good enough to detect your motion as you wave it back and forth? | 19:10 |
| alterego | Im suppose you could just make it based on time. | 19:10 |
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| lcuk | alterego, it would be feasible but absolutel location like that is a difficult problem ;) | 19:11 |
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| lcuk | -l | 19:11 |
| alterego | Hrm, yeah | 19:12 |
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| alterego | Not sure that matters so much as displaying your updated images as you progress from stop, speed up, slow down, stop and then backward repeat. | 19:13 |
| lcuk | alterego, try it | 19:13 |
| lcuk | it should be feasible | 19:14 |
| alterego | I might just do that. | 19:14 |
| lcuk | and if you are good and get a rythm going | 19:14 |
| alterego | When I've finished this project :P | 19:14 |
| lcuk | you could lock on more | 19:14 |
| alterego | Well, my LED display widget is done. | 19:16 |
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| alterego | Gonna make it nice and customizable. | 19:16 |
| alterego | Then I'll work on the character generator. | 19:16 |
| alterego | After I've had a shower, bbiab :) | 19:16 |
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| Pforce | does anyone know if PyQt4 for maemo is intended to be so that the qmainloop is not running when nothing is being done in the ui | 19:18 |
| timeless_mbp | ? | 19:18 |
| timeless_mbp | you need an eventloop | 19:18 |
| Pforce | this feels crazy, but my qtimer is calling its timeout function only when i move the mouse on scratchbox | 19:18 |
| timeless_mbp | w/o one, your app is supposed to die | 19:18 |
| Pforce | well qapp is the has a event loop, thats why we use the framework | 19:19 |
| Pforce | but my qtimers are not working as on other platforms | 19:19 |
| Pforce | i was wondering if this is some kind of battery saving shit | 19:19 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 19:20 |
| timeless_mbp | timer behavior has been special in our experience | 19:20 |
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| timeless_mbp | even in gtk | 19:20 |
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| Pforce | and to be spesific, im on pyqt4 in py 2.5 | 19:20 |
| Pforce | i was wondering why my file writing threads were taking so long | 19:21 |
| Pforce | im polling Thread.join() with in the qtimer timeout function | 19:21 |
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| Pforce | for all my threads | 19:21 |
| Pforce | and start the next worker thread when the other is completed | 19:21 |
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| Pforce | even the threads seem to have issues running without me moving my mouse like a maniac | 19:21 |
| Pforce | man, this is a big setback | 19:23 |
| Pforce | i need my app.exec_() but i also need constant main loop | 19:23 |
| Pforce | i subclassed QApplication.event() and there comes events very rarely | 19:23 |
| Pforce | which is odd | 19:24 |
| Pforce | ill try installing a event filder | 19:24 |
| Pforce | filter | 19:24 |
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| GNU\caust1c | yay, my n900 works again :) | 19:25 |
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| alterego | Really need to get a DVI to HDMI converter | 19:34 |
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| alterego | And a new SATA cable .. | 19:35 |
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| Pforce | ok got it | 19:49 |
| Pforce | g mainloop was the one hanging | 19:49 |
| Pforce | not qtimers or the main loop | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | hehe | 19:49 |
| Pforce | it wont budge before you move mouse or something happens in the ui | 19:50 |
| Pforce | weird | 19:50 |
| alterego | Sounds like you're running it in some silly UI event listener. | 19:50 |
| Pforce | hmm i wonder if i need that q mainloop at all | 19:50 |
| Pforce | no its not | 19:50 |
| Pforce | i thought i need it for dbus and conic stuff | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | mainloop in a mainloop? | 19:50 |
| Pforce | well, i do iterations to the gmainloop | 19:51 |
| Pforce | but i suppose i dont need it at all, now that i think of it | 19:51 |
| * alterego sighs | 19:51 | |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders idly why it's called MAINloop :-P | 19:52 | |
| alterego | Hah | 19:52 |
| Pforce | heh | 19:52 |
| Pforce | good thing i looked into this :D | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | this is your MAIN mainloop, though shalt not have other loops besides mainloop | 19:53 |
| alterego | I could of sworn I remember reading something similar in the programming 10 commandments or something | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | thou* | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | Pforce: yeah, the gmainloop sucks : | 19:55 |
| timeless_mbp | :) | 19:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | that's what was breaking gecko at times | 19:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | loads of fun | 19:56 |
| Pforce | right, i just thought i need it on the side with context iterations http://pastebin.com/y7z0GXsv | 19:56 |
| Pforce | as it was in the examples, but it was there just to make the example run :> | 19:56 |
| * DocScrutinizer mubles "will it learn assembler?! prior to messing with OO! will it now?!" | 19:56 | |
| Pforce | ill still have to test on the device if it runs without, i cant see dbus stuff on the scratchbox emu | 19:57 |
| Pforce | DocScrutinizer: you can have multiple mainloops :P sometimes its needed | 19:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you can have one wait though | 19:58 |
| Pforce | like in our work project we run qt in the client and gmainloop in a qthread | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | ONLY one wait | 19:58 |
| Pforce | for gstreamer | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's the central wait that listens to ALL signals causing the process(es) to resume from dispatcher sleep state | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you manage two mainloops will share that central wait() then you're fine | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes yes, event driven programming isn't for kids :-D | 20:01 |
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| bleader | mmm my SYM key doesn't seem to work anymore, is there any obvious reason for this to happen that I may not be aware of ? | 20:14 |
| bleader | (physical key seems to be ok as ctrl is working fine) | 20:15 |
| bleader | but on screen keyboard doesn't appeapr anymore | 20:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | define doesn't work | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | if you mean 'doesn't bring on the osk overlay' | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | did you install hebrew? | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | or, does blue-EUR give you PIPE? | 20:25 |
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| alterego | Now I need to come up with a clever way of converting characters into my LED patterns .. | 20:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | I suggest a diode ROM | 20:35 |
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| alterego | Even though I'm quite distraught my laptop is in bits because I spilled water over it. I kind of like hacking on the big screen of my workstation :) | 20:38 |
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| ShadowJK | ugh, this sh script I wrote on the commandline on a single line | 20:45 |
| ShadowJK | makes absolutely no sense now that I a week later try to split it into multiple lines and add indentation | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:46 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:46 |
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| luke-jr | eichi: no patience? a complete rebuild (required to upgrade GCC 4.3 to 4.4) has taken me about 2 weeks, with a lot of idle "waiting on user because something broke" time | 20:46 |
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| ShadowJK | It's like 30 lines when I try to indent it sanely, and it stops making sense | 20:47 |
| * ShadowJK wrote this on N900 line-editing | 20:47 | |
| alterego | Niiiiice ... | 20:47 |
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| ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/sqkmiGPi this is a small part, anyone wanna split it and indent? | 20:49 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 20:49 |
| * ShadowJK has lots so many masterpieces of similar quality when system has unexpectedly rebooted and ~/.history no longer had it | 20:49 | |
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| alterego | Wow that looks awful :P | 20:50 |
| ShadowJK | :D | 20:50 |
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| ShadowJK | http://pastebin.com/wcAL4deh hm, I could obviously do with a function here.. how do they work again.. | 20:51 |
| alterego | functionname() { .... } | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | This is part of a powersave script on my server where my IRC client is, I block IRC to my N900 and N810 for 60 seconds with iptables, then I unblock it and wait until all queued up data has been transmitted, and then block again | 20:52 |
| ShadowJK | where my irc client / bouncer is.. | 20:52 |
| alterego | I just use screen ... | 20:53 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Oooh - neat - more or less what I suggested. | 20:53 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: does it queue the packets, or simply block? | 20:53 |
| ShadowJK | dunno how to queue | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | I just iptables -J DROP | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | -j* | 20:55 |
| luke-jr | inefficent TCP queuing :p | 20:55 |
| ShadowJK | So it gets queued by the TCP stack, which eventually retries it after I unblock.. that pastebin is the loop that looks at netstat -to output and counts how many bytes have still not been transmitted successfully | 20:56 |
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| * ShadowJK finds he gets more actually done in sh because he doesn't know how to do anything properly and just writes out crap until it works | 20:58 | |
| luke-jr | consider a suspendable screen ;) | 20:58 |
| * ShadowJK has xchat on N900 :P | 20:58 | |
| ShadowJK | and screen with irssi and irssi-proxy on server | 20:58 |
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| luke-jr | I mean have the N900 automatically close your connections when idle | 20:58 |
| luke-jr | and reconnect to the screen when you activate it | 20:58 |
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| luke-jr | a kind of network-screen | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | bah humbug :P | 20:59 |
| luke-jr | add a smart X11 proxy for X11 suspending too ;) | 20:59 |
| ShadowJK | Maybe with another proxy that would buffer chat hwen disconnect and then transmit it all when I connect | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | … | 21:00 |
| ShadowJK | I tried that ages ago on desktop, and xchat was too friggin slow to render the burst of chat on connect :) | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | that's the "screen" part of it | 21:00 |
| luke-jr | I suppose you could do the same w/ Quassel-protocol | 21:00 |
| zash | put your ssh sessions in a loop and kill them on suspend | 21:03 |
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| alterego | Oh sweet, this should work F*cking nicely :D | 21:06 |
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| * SpeedEvil needs to get to writing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy | 21:10 | |
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| harbaum | Hi | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | lo till | 21:13 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 21:13 |
| harbaum | i am still struggling with x11vnc | 21:13 |
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| Khertan | lbt, hello is it something normal on community obs : dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown information field 'Maemo-Display-Name' in input data in package's section of control info file | 21:14 |
| Khertan | ? | 21:14 |
| harbaum | anyone ever managed to get past the clock setup screen on the n900 with this? | 21:14 |
| harbaum | i spilled my n900 with latte macchiato (lots of sugar), the display cable was stuck and broke | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: did you get a display showing? | 21:15 |
| harbaum | so now i have a keyboard compartment that still sort of works and i can ssh into it | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | (in x11vnc) | 21:15 |
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| Stskeeps | just knowing how far you are | 21:15 |
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| harbaum | Stskeeps: vnc gives me a screen that's 800 pixels wide and ~10 pixels high ... very odd | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: hmm :P | 21:15 |
| harbaum | now i am trying to get some screen on tv out, but that also doesn't seem to work | 21:16 |
| alterego | Okay, I thought this would be easy .. | 21:16 |
| alterego | I can draw shapes, but I can't seem to draw text ... | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: rsync -aHx / and your mmc and such to a microsd, best way to backup and eventually restore.. | 21:16 |
| harbaum | Stskeeps: i already tar'ed /home/user. So the "real" backup is not that necessary | 21:17 |
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| mmarc__1 | hey, guys, maybe some of you tried to compile a foreign toolchain for scratchbox using scratchbox's i486 toolchain? In toolchaincompiled this way I've got a SIGSEGV in /lib/ld-linux.so.2, and that's surpricing. Are there any common reasons for that, do you know? | 21:20 |
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| harbaum | hmm, just a blank screen on tvout. also the screen lock switch was so stuck i could barely move it ... sugar ... | 21:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | harbaum: I'd recommend dissasembling and reassembling | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | harbaum: you will - absolutely certainly - be doing further damage by having it powered on. | 21:25 |
| harbaum | SpeedEvil: The screen cable is broken, so there's no reason to be careful | 21:25 |
| SpeedEvil | well - if you want it to work as it is doing now. | 21:26 |
| harbaum | SpeedEvil: I am doing this to get a backup. | 21:26 |
| harbaum | It should be dry by now, so i don't thing any more harm will be done | 21:27 |
| harbaum | The major question is: Get a new n900 or wait for a meego handset | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 21:28 |
| Venemo | harbaum: depends on whether you trust in an N900-compatible MeeGo release or not | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | harbaum: it never dries. | 21:28 |
| SpeedEvil | harbaum: that is - sugary substances never dry enough in most climates to not be corrosive. | 21:29 |
| SpeedEvil | It will always stay slightly damp. | 21:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | harbaum: do you have ssh enabled? | 21:29 |
| harbaum | SpeedEvil: The device has been soaked. There's not much further damage to be done. And buying a replacement screen won't even guarantee me a working device | 21:30 |
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| harbaum | SpeedEvil: Sure, i already tar and copied the data | 21:30 |
| SpeedEvil | ah. | 21:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd still dissasemble and wash, if it was mine. | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you sure the cable has sheared? | 21:33 |
| toggles_w | @sk021 | 21:36 |
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| kerio | i'd soak it in pure h2o | 21:39 |
| kerio | i mean, H₂O | 21:40 |
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| kerio | (unicode ♡) | 21:41 |
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| alterego | Sweet, my LED display widget, is now driven by a character driver which handles scrolling and can use any font available :D | 21:41 |
| harbaum | SpeedEvil: Yes, the display cable is broken, halfway through | 21:43 |
| alterego | Oh, this works very nicely indeed :D | 21:43 |
| alterego | Now to write the configuration controls. | 21:43 |
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| toggles_w | ls | 21:45 |
| toggles_w | lsls | 21:45 |
| tank-man | alterego, you made a kernel module to turn on/off the led? | 21:46 |
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| alterego | No, it's an on screen emulation | 21:56 |
| alterego | Just a toy app | 21:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway, seems harbaum's device needs display flex cable assembly swap, just like mine did. Should be feasible for maybe 100 bucks | 22:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Though on mine I'm sure it was this unequaled stupid design of connector on flex cable on juper piggyback flex cable that broke. I even wonder how it can work at all | 22:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | jumper | 22:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no matter what, if display flex cable is broken, TV out is dead too. Seems SoC video circuitry somehow needs signals *from' LCD, to work correctly | 22:09 |
| harbaum | DocScrutinizer: Ah, ok, that explains why i don't see anything | 22:09 |
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| ShadowJK | bah, my operator has removed my area from the generic "fubar" area, but I still don't get 3g like before the storms :/ | 22:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: wtf? | 22:10 |
| ShadowJK | They have a live map with known current faults on their network | 22:11 |
| ShadowJK | but after the storms there was so many places without power or wrecked that they just added a big generic "lots of fubar in this area" instead | 22:11 |
| harbaum | DocScrutinizer: In fact tv-out generates a valid signal. Just without contents | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | harbaum: I recommend to disassemble the device according to RX51_SM_L1_2.pdf, and rinse the housing, and if due also the main PCB with demineralized water. Then dry thoroughly | 22:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for at least 7 days, on maybe 50..60°C | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | then reassemble, and get repair (display FPC swap) on a Nokia service center | 22:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask for the broken FPC! :-) | 22:15 |
| marginalMan | looking through a guide on overclocking the n900, ideal settings are set to a min of 500, max of 850 | 22:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *might* come handy, if ever you ruin front cam, ALS, or indicator LED | 22:16 |
| marginalMan | when setting it to the lv profile it suggests 250 850 | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | marginalMan: NO! | 22:16 |
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| marginalMan | no? | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's all maximum bullshit | 22:17 |
| kerio | marginalMan: the right settings are 250 600 | 22:17 |
| kerio | LIKE NOKIA SAYS | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | spread by noobs that don't have any clue | 22:17 |
| kerio | min of 500? the FUCK | 22:17 |
| BCMM | no! don't listen to nokia! there is a conspiracy to make your devices run in a needlessly slow and not-on-fire way! | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | lv profile is completely nonsense | 22:17 |
| marginalMan | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=595582&postcount=774 | 22:18 |
| marginalMan | easy guys... | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | and any clock >600MHz will wear out your CPU at a rate of maybe 10% per week, maybe faster | 22:18 |
| marginalMan | wow | 22:18 |
| marginalMan | ok... so wht ure saying is stay away from oc | 22:19 |
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| kerio | marginalMan: do you *need* oc? | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E run your device on CPU locked to 800 and odds are it starts segfaulting like mad, after several weeks | 22:19 |
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| ShadowJK | the "stutter" "jitter" many people experience isn't improved by OC anyway ;) | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, stay away from OC if you don't EXACTLY understand what it's all about | 22:20 |
| crashanddie | Truth is, most people don't need the OC, and just do it for the e-peen, and the psychological effect "oooh it's soooooooo much faster" | 22:20 |
| marginalMan | tried the 850 setting... -it does make it way smoother, more responsive, but if its gonna wear it out... -am sure i can do without it | 22:20 |
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| kerio | hey, if you have enough spare cash to buy a new n900 or maybe another phone when yours fucks up, do it | 22:21 |
| marginalMan | heh, -i'll pass, thanks | 22:21 |
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| kerio | we're just insisting on the fact that it's not safe | 22:21 |
| kerio | it can never be safe | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | marginalMan: It's like messing with RPM limiter in engine of your car, so you can go to 8000 or 10000RPM to drive a little faster | 22:22 |
| kerio | apart from that, do whatever you like, i guess | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | motor will explode after a while | 22:22 |
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| kerio | ~nuke engine | 22:22 |
| * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at engine ... B☢☢M! | 22:22 | |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: except that on an engine, you can change parts yourself relatively easily | 22:22 |
| BCMM | you mean i can't upgrade the CPU on my n900? | 22:22 |
| kerio | not if they fuse togheter | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | even if you go down to sane limits after a while, motor has taken damage on your running it at high RPM | 22:23 |
| crashanddie | kerio: I've pushed quite a few engines to the max, never seen that happen. | 22:23 |
| marginalMan | figured as much, -but if tht explosion happens after 3 years... -i'd hav said ok, -10% a week is a lil too steep | 22:23 |
| BCMM | do ARMs cook the same way as x86 and ppc cores i've cooked? | 22:23 |
| kerio | marginalMan: "-10%/week" is a number straight from DocScrutinizer's ass, afaik | 22:23 |
| BCMM | i.e. just start getting the maths wrong after a bit | 22:23 |
| BCMM | such that everything crashes? | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | kerio: sure it is | 22:24 |
| marginalMan | haHA | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but my ass has GOOD numbers | 22:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and those OC fanboys have NO numbers | 22:24 |
| BCMM | various people's ideas of safe/ideal overclock speeds are similarly pulled from various asses | 22:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~joerg | 22:24 |
| infobot | somebody said joerg was a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer | 22:24 |
| marginalMan | ok... -i loaded up enhanced linux kernel for power users to get this going... -havnt changed the default -which it reverts to on reboot... | 22:25 |
| marginalMan | is this default the nokia default? | 22:25 |
| marginalMan | or should i uninstall? | 22:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I think you're ok with power kernel's boot default | 22:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | though power kernel is notorious to cause other little nasty inconveniences every now and then | 22:26 |
| marginalMan | # kernel-config show: min-125 max-600 avoid-125 | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | 125 is unstable | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | 600 already is "official OC" | 22:28 |
| marginalMan | thts^ wht the default shows... | 22:28 |
| marginalMan | cant find no flaw at all with the device... -hardware/os -it is awesome | 22:29 |
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| marginalMan | but could do with a lil more processing power | 22:29 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: wait, Nokia advertises an OC value? | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I'd always prefer to trust in numbers from my ass, than in numbers or WFM cheers from OC fanboys that have so totally no clue at all they even think OC can be made safe by cooling the device or reducing core voltage | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: sure, 600 is OC for the OMAP35xx we got in N900. As in "expected lifetime for 600: 1000h" | 22:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the chip is rated for a continuous max clock of 500 | 22:32 |
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| toggles_w | 45 days? | 22:32 |
| luke-jr | 41 days :| | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe 5000 | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | 208 days? | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | still under a year | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | had to check back with the specs-nonavailable | 22:33 |
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| toggles_w | damn' i'm going to go through a few n900's waiting for meego then | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | that means I'm going to have to plan an upgrade before 2012 ☹ | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yep, So you don't want to lock your CPU clock to 600 for any extended period of days/weeks for no good reason. Except if you planned to discard the device after finishing that important task | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: *ahem* Gentoo | 22:34 |
| toggles_w | -funrollloops needs 600 for weeks at a time | 22:35 |
| Trewas | DocScrutinizer: by the way what causes OC to harm the device even if voltage is lowered and cooling improved? looking at the electromigration wikipedia page (which of course could be wrong...) it appears that the main factor is current density which if I understand correctly should increase linearly with overclocking and decrease with lower voltage | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and nota bene that's always time the cpu is *actually clocked* at 600, not the time it's enabled to 1000 and in fact idling @ 250 or zeroclock | 22:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Trewas: SmartReflex(R) implements a micro regulator in CPU for virtually every gate. So lowering Vcore just reduces the power dissipated by those micro regulators, but doesn't change anything for the actual gate voltage | 22:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | check TI doc download pages for whitepapers about SmartReflex technology | 22:39 |
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| Trewas | DocScrutinizer: ok, but should increasing the current density by few tens of percents decrease the lifetime of the so drastically? or is the some heavily non-linear factor in play | 22:39 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: does the 5000 hour counter reset after it idles? :P | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a non-linearity factor like on gas discharge lamps or Zeners, above a certain threshold it goes thru the roof | 22:40 |
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| luke-jr | I'd go set my N900 to max 500 MHz, but it's already laggy enough at 600 :/ | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Trewas: you need a certain minimum energy of electrons to strike a metal atom out of crystal | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | and that's just with Maemo | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | once you cross that limit it goes zooom | 22:42 |
| luke-jr | why did Nokia use these slow procs rather than the 1.5 GHz Snapdragons? | 22:42 |
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| toggles_w | dev time? | 22:43 |
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| ShadowJK | I didn't think snapdragons came in 1.5GHz back then? :) | 22:43 |
| SpeedEvil | the n900 was developed most of a year ago | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | 2 years I'd say | 22:43 |
| Trewas | DocScrutinizer: makes sense, still somewhat surprising to me if the designs are made so close to the limit | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly, yes. | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: I was drooling over them back then… | 22:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | Trewas: That's the point - you don't know if they are. | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | but TI knows | 22:44 |
| SpeedEvil | Trewas: There are many possibilities. From 100% of CPUs will fail after 10-15000 hours at 850MHz. | 22:44 |
| luke-jr | Trewas: think of it as TI shipping them OC'd :P | 22:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Trewas: To all CPUs will work fine 'forever' - say 100000 hours - at whatever speed they can stably overclock to. | 22:45 |
| ShadowJK | I still haven't seen any benchmarks of snapdragon vs A8 :( | 22:45 |
| * luke-jr notes good old i386 CPUs still work today | 22:45 | |
| DocScrutinizer | I think OMAP35xx has 100.000 @ 500 | 22:45 |
| SpeedEvil | TI may know that the 650MHz part is in fact stable to 800MHz, or they may not simply throw rejects + untested into the 650MHz bin | 22:46 |
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| toggles_w | luke-jr: oc'd to 600? | 22:47 |
| luke-jr | toggles_w: or whatever | 22:47 |
| toggles_w | ;-) | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | TI doesn't clock the OMAP35xx, OEMs do. TI just recommends/suggests | 22:48 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: except when TI is selling by speed?\ | 22:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and of course TI has two interests: selling chips with brilliant numbers (like clock=1GHz) but also not to pay billions of dollars for device swap programs their customers have to do, because TI promised a certain lifespan @ clockspeed they couldn't deliver | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | so TI does decent tests on what their chips can do for which timespan, before a certain percentage fails, and that's what their deals with Nokia are based on | 22:52 |
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| marginalMan | its the same proc tht is in the last gen iphone? | 22:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now a few blockhead OC nitwits come and say "hey but when I do this or that, my device runs stable @ foo ExaHz" - pfrrrrrrrt | 22:53 |
| luke-jr | whoa Exahz | 22:53 |
| luke-jr | I'll risk my device for that | 22:53 |
| luke-jr | :P | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | TI says "100.000h@500, 5000h@600, 500h@750" or somesuch. Why should anybody know better how to get the best of performance out of TI SoC than TI does? | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, topic finished | 22:56 |
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| marginalMan | breathe buddy... breathe... | 22:57 |
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| luke-jr | wait a second | 22:59 |
| luke-jr | was s3c6410 always 800 MHz⁇ | 22:59 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the datasheet of course is not a performance optimising tool. It's part of marketing. | 23:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sure | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | So it may be that all parts can do forever @600 | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | on a certain percentage of chips yes | 23:03 |
| SpeedEvil | Or even all of them | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | unlikely, as TI would have rated it 600 then | 23:04 |
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| luke-jr | it may be that the lucky N900 can do forever @ 600 | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you bet they got the dudes that know their math, to add a few 0/00 on top of the results of their tests, for error | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and they got the procedures to get decent test results giving a error margin of 0/00 only | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | TI didn't start chip business last year | 23:06 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: they would have rated it at 600, if they did not think that they can sell the 850MHz parts at a markup. | 23:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Theoretically. | 23:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | THEORETICALLY possible. See what Kingston does with SanDisk flash chips | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | SanDisk sells 32GB uSD class2, Kingston sells class4 | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | though Kingston gets their chips from SanDisk | 23:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | now you know why I don't buy Kingston :-P | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! | 23:10 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | just because *some* chips work at Class4/850MHz fine doesn't mean they *all* do | 23:10 |
| luke-jr | if they do testing to sort them, they sell the better ones at a premium | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | do you think SanDisk is too stupid to do decent tests on their own chips, while some reseller knows how to? OR SanDisk would sell premium to a lowcost reseller while using second grade on own brand | 23:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | it's just SanDisk IO error - WTF??? Kingston IO error - meh, what had I expected, get another one | 23:14 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course Kingston is using another flash controller chip in their SD than SanDisk does - well maybe maybe not. But then how would Kingston know how to build a controller that gets performance out of SanDisk NAND that SanDisk themselves doesn't know how to achieve? | 23:19 |
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| nox- | moin | 23:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | moinmoin | 23:21 |
| nox- | moin DocScrutinizer | 23:21 |
| nox- | are any bugs known wrt sending textmessages? i wanted to send someone my new number and only the 4th or so textmessage went thru... | 23:22 |
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| Venemo | hi everyone | 23:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so it's perfectly possible TI is selling very same chip from very same waver to another OEM rated @600, just telling them "Don't advertise it's a TI chip, and don't expect your device to live longer than 1 year" | 23:23 |
| Venemo | is this article still valid: http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/13/install-the-nokia-n900-maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora/ ? | 23:23 |
| Venemo | it suggests some modifications to the .py installer of the Maemo SDK, but it is quite dated | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: nope, nothing known | 23:24 |
| nox- | hm | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | nox-: go to menu of conversations, enable "receive delivery reports" | 23:26 |
| nox- | ah good idea | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | SMS is neither realtime nor guaranteed to deliver at all | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ocasional delays or even fails are rather common | 23:28 |
| nox- | hm where exactly is that entry? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | conversations, menu, settings | 23:29 |
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| nox- | ah, found it, thx | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings being 5th of 5. "delivery reports" 1st of 2 | 23:30 |
| nox- | yep | 23:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno how maemo rtcom / telepathy(?) handles a stack of SMS that weren't able to send due to conectivity loss | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | might pile up and get sent an hour later, or whatever | 23:32 |
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| nox- | well at least my 3g link seems to be pretty good according to the little display at the top... | 23:32 |
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| * SpeedEvil has been streaming video for an hour or so a night over 3G. | 23:33 | |
| nox- | (its funny btw, just the day i got the sim i read in the local paper we now finally got 3g coverage too :) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm, then it's probably the SMSCC that just dropped them, also the most usual case | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Works OK. | 23:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nox-: \o/ | 23:34 |
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| pupbuntu | this n900 hotspot isn working with any computer or cellfone i use | 23:42 |
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| lbt | Khertan: hey... back now | 23:43 |
| lbt | did you get sorted? | 23:43 |
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| kerio | i wanna buy a batch of old, cheap PIIIs and overclock them into oblivion | 23:49 |
| kerio | 8GHz or something | 23:49 |
| kerio | one cpu/month is not that much if that cpu costs 10€ | 23:49 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: who said it would last a month? | 23:54 |
| luke-jr | in case you didn't notice, it scales more logarithmic than linear | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | does N900 MWI for voicebox? | 23:55 |
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| luke-jr | kerio: also, in the meantime, it will miscalculate/malfunction ☺ | 23:56 |
| luke-jr | kerio: why not get 8x 1 GHz P3s and leave them at normal speed? :P | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | (of GSM, or - while thinking about it - maybe also for SIP) | 23:56 |
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