IRC log of #maemo for Sunday, 2010-08-01

mooserresolv.conf in n900 is emmmmmmmm tyyyyhyyyy!  where iis my dns seeerver ip??????00:00
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SpeedEvilhttp://images.4chan.org/b/src/1280604760765.jpg - on the theme of emulators. (worksafe)00:23
Corsacdepends on the work I guess00:24
technomikeAahhahahahahaha SpeedEvil00:25
technomikeGood one :P00:25
moosernice00:26
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mooserok ceni script is broken for as-hoc in sidux00:28
mooserad00:28
mooserbut with manual config, client connects to n900 hotspot00:28
mooserjust no NAT happinness00:29
mooser echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is done00:30
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Kuubasiema gejuchy00:31
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mooserwell still no NAT workin01:35
mooser10.49.76.0      0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 wlan001:36
mooser0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         0.0.0.0         U     0      0        0 gprs101:36
mooseris that a correct routing table for the n900 running mobile hotspot?01:36
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technomikeguys01:57
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technomikeWhat is the benefit/use of Asterisk on the N900/Maemo01:57
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dmkaehey all01:58
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psycho_oreosmobile VoIP? *shrugs*01:58
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psycho_oreoslol this manual install method of packages that I've previously setup n900 with and now using dpkg method is painstakingly slow02:47
lcukpsycho_oreos, hmm?02:47
psycho_oreoslcuk, what I've done was repacked all my deb files from my previous n900 setup. My intention was to start from scratch again because I was pissed off how various things weren't working right (long story). Now as I refuse to go through apt-get method and/or ham (because my internet connection is already shaped plus I'm using it to download other things which will only cause installation to lag when downloading) I'm pretty much stuck with dpkg me02:49
psycho_oreosthod02:49
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psycho_oreosas you know dpkg doesn't handles deps properly, much like rpm.. they're just backends that deal with issues apart from deps and for everytime there's a dependency unmet it just means I have to go back and remove that package if I can't install the deps, etc02:51
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lcukahhh psycho_oreos so you just made life more difficult!02:59
lcukfor similar, i would try something like maintaining bacup of the apt cache folder thingy03:00
lcukfor all the debs it gets and uses03:00
lcukand then do a dpkg -i *.deb03:00
lcukbut its just easier to restore from backup03:00
lcukand let ham do what it needs with the installed apps list03:01
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psycho_oreoslcuk, hmm interesting, never actually bothered with that sort of method but its kinda like a habit routine that you have to get into03:03
psycho_oreos*sigh* for now I'll just have to bear with it :) bear and grin03:05
psycho_oreosthere should be another way to counteract it, I suppose using diff and then extracting out the user installed packages03:05
lcukbut you need the deps too, so the cache would be simplest for that03:06
lcukanyway, gnite \o03:06
psycho_oreosheh, nite03:06
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DocAvalanchehttp://www.thesistersofmercy.com/misc/deardok.htm03:16
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th3_4zaradojulian assange04:01
th3_4zaradogod? bless tis man ...he is a modern day hero04:01
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luke-jrwow05:14
luke-jrpicking up my N810 after ~2 weeks, I really miss its size05:14
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SpeedEvil:/05:15
SpeedEvilyeah05:15
SpeedEvilthere are times I'd like a 20% larger thingy.05:15
SpeedEvilBut then, when I realise how I can easily fit it in small cases, it's not so bad.05:15
luke-jrand keyboard05:16
luke-jrSpeedEvil: I use my N810's case for N90005:16
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pekujaI would really like a case that would enable access to the headphone jack05:16
pekujalost my CP-321 recently so I'm looking for a new one05:17
SpeedEvilI have one, but it's not a great case.05:17
luke-jrpekuja: Bluetooth?05:17
pekujaluke-jr: no, it's a case05:17
SpeedEvilhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARD-CRYSTAL-CLEAR-CASE-COVER-SKIN-SHELL-NOKIA-N900-/130412870026?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item1e5d36798a05:17
pekujahttp://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-carrying-case-cp-321-for-nokia-n90005:17
pekujathe official one05:17
pekujapretty lame, I must say05:17
pekujaSpeedEvil: ah, that kind of case05:18
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luke-jrpekuja: Bluetooth headphones don't need a special case05:19
pekujaluke-jr: eh, I'm talking about the N90005:20
luke-jrme too05:20
pekujaluke-jr: ah, right, sorry05:20
pekujaluke-jr: it's late05:20
luke-jr05:20
pekujaluke-jr: didn't quite understand what you were saying...05:21
pekujaanyways, that's not a bad suggestion05:21
luke-jrif you love your wires, you could always drill a hole too05:21
luke-jr<.<05:21
pekujaalthough I imagine the audio quality isn't too good for music and such05:21
luke-jruh?05:21
luke-jrdigital Bluetooth quality is going to be better than an analog wire05:22
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pekujaI wouldn't be so sure about that05:25
pekujathe other problem though is that BT headphones are expensive and require batteries05:26
luke-jrI think I got mine for like $1005:26
luke-jrincluding a simple charger05:26
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SpeedEvildecent bluetooth headphones are not $10.05:26
pekujaluke-jr: and you think they sound better than regular wired headphones? I doubt that.05:26
luke-jrpekuja: honestly, I don't use either05:27
luke-jrI doubt I could tell the difference05:27
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EdLinpekuja, bluetooth is digital - and compressed, which means that it sounds *worse* than those horrible analog wires. ;-)05:40
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pekujayeah, basically that's what I understand is that there's so little bandwidth in BT that the sound quality isn't too good05:40
EdLinpekuja, they compress it a lot, much more than a typical MP3 or something.05:41
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luke-jrEdLin: they do?05:43
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Psianyone know why my n900 time is always around 1min fast?05:48
Psidoes it get the time from gsm or network timeserver?05:48
ham5I wondered that about my sms messages the senders time is always 8minutes fast05:49
EdLinPsi, T-Mobile US changed DST several hours wrong recently and all of their phones showed the wrong time and had calendar malfunctions.05:50
Psifor me its always 1min fast, i can set it correct but its back 1 min fast when i look at it later05:50
ham5my time is updated from my phone carrier05:50
luke-jrPsi: I would think GPS05:50
SpeedEvilPsi: GSM05:50
SpeedEvilluke-jr: not GPS05:50
luke-jrSpeedEvil: why trust GSM over GPS?05:50
ham5should be the same anyway no?05:50
SpeedEvilhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1016305:50
povbotBug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device.05:50
luke-jrham5: obviously not in this case05:50
SpeedEvilWho knows05:50
luke-jrand what of people w/o GSM?05:50
EdLinluke-jr, use wifi to use NTP I guess.05:51
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SpeedEvilluke-jr: doesn't set it here either with GSM - UK05:51
luke-jrEdLin: meh, ntpd doesn't require netwrok05:51
luke-jrntpd can pair up with gpsd ☺05:51
EdLin:)05:51
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sECuREhas anyone managed to compile a more recent g++ version (i need 4.5) and fiddle it into the MADDE cross compilation environment?05:52
sECuREi wonder if the MADDE source code you can get from gitorious is supposed to build a working g++ which can be copied into the fremantle 1.2 MADDE05:53
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luke-jrsECuRE: GCC 4.5 is totally broken on ARM from what I hear05:53
sECuREno, it’s not05:53
sECuREi can build it outside the tree and compile my stuff just fine05:53
luke-jrsECuRE: furthermore, GCC 4.4+ output is not binary compatible with <4.405:53
sECuREbut i want to have it inside MADDE05:53
luke-jrsECuRE: I wonder how much testing you've done05:54
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sECuREi compiled an application using qt 4.6 and it successfully runs on my n90005:54
luke-jrluck, I guess05:54
luke-jrI've had good luck with some apps too05:54
luke-jrlike strace05:54
luke-jrother apps, not so much luck ☹05:54
sECuREhum, ok05:55
sECuREstill, i want to try replacing the g++ inside my MADDE05:55
sECuRE(just copying over the files from the built g++ from toolchain-from-scratch.sh brings errors:05:55
sECuREarm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory05:56
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sECuREah, hang on05:57
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sECuREah, needed to copy ~/cross-build/arm-long/tools/libexec/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/ since the gcc in the released MADDE is 4.2.1, but the one used in the meego source is newer05:59
sECuREnow lets fix the next error05:59
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luke-jrassume you need to copy everything, obviously06:01
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sECuREyeah06:03
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sECuREalright, works now :)06:08
sECuRElets compile 4.5.0 with the same options and see if i can drop it in, too06:09
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DocScrutinizerEdLin: Psi: If you enable "automatic time settings" in date/time in settings, then time is set from GSM. You can install several NTP tools though, to get time from nternet, and I guess you can setup ntpd to sync with GPS time as well06:10
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: set through GSM if your provider supports this. It diddn't work for me06:11
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: obviously that' a prerequisite - yes06:11
DocScrutinizerI wonder when maemo is setting RTC06:12
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DocScrutinizernice, my clocks (sys and RTC) are pretty in sync - and >60s off. And automatic setting is disabled06:15
DocScrutinizerso I can check what's going on when enabling it06:15
DocScrutinizerwooosh, both on the second accurate06:16
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* DocScrutinizer pondering about NOT nstalling ntpd, instead prefers a script to check for actual network traffic >0 like every hour or so, and only then use ntpdate to get a sync sneaked in to already active data transmissions06:20
DocScrutinizeralternatively start that ntpdate sync on wlan connection up, and stop it on down06:22
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SpeedEvilntpd uses almost nothinganyway06:23
DocScrutinizeryep, but that nothing happens too often and to mindlessly06:24
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DocScrutinizerntpd not built for machines with temporary internet connection06:24
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SpeedEvilyeah06:25
DocScrutinizerand for sure not for machines that crank up power hungry 3G on ntpd's packets06:25
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SpeedEvilI 'never' have 3G active when I care about battery life, so I don't mind about that.06:26
DocScrutinizermhm06:27
DocScrutinizeranyway doing a ntpdate max once every hour, and only when there's actually some other traffic active, seems a sensible approach06:28
DocScrutinizerstarting ntpd in ifup, and stopping it in ifdown the cheap way06:29
Jucatohi, does anyone know if the N810 can support 16GB SDHC cards? the official specs say only up to 8GB but I think I've seen someone say (forgot where) that he/she uses a 16GB card06:29
DocScrutinizerhmm, probably does06:30
DocScrutinizerprobably even supports 32G06:30
Jucatoheh ok. I don't think I've seen 32G around here though, so I guess 16GB would be ok. thanks :)06:31
DocScrutinizerthey are like 120$06:31
JucatoI'm not in the US06:31
DocScrutinizerlast time I cheked06:31
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Jucatonow if only connecting to computers through USB was reliable and has fast transfer speeds, I can forego needing a separate USB stick for portable stuff ... anyway thanks :)06:33
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luke-jrJucato: I'm pretty sure USB networking is faster than SD :p06:56
Jucatoluke-jr: I meant that transferring files to/from the SDHC card in the N810 to/from a computer connected through the USB cable isn't as fast as transferring using a USB stick. there's also times (often on a Linux computer) when N810 will use the external memory (SDHC) while connected so the desktop will only "see" the Internal 2G memory06:58
Jucatosometimes it's in reverse, sometimes both memories are seen. on Windows it almost always works fine though06:58
luke-jr06:58
luke-jror just use scp06:59
Jucatoyes, that's what I usually do when I'm at home with my own network. but not when I'm outside. unfortunately, my nokia 5230 is a more reliable "USB stick" :(07:01
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Stskeepsmorning andre__09:43
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andre__heja Stskeeps10:18
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TermanaN900nice way to start the night! just got served a summons for small claims court! luckily its not for me :P10:30
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unixSnobhow can a webpage be launched from the commandline?  I tried "browser http://www.wolframalpha.com" and it ignores the argument10:46
gobukiuse browser --url <url>10:46
unixSnobthanks10:46
Ken-YoungunixSnob, You can also do it with a dbus command.10:47
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unixSnobi tried dbus-monitor to see if I could see how to do it that way, and I didn't see any urls going through10:47
gobukilike this: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:browser10:48
Ken-YoungunixSnob, I use it in one of my programs - give me a minute, and I'll dig it out.10:48
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unixSnobgobuki: i don't see an URL in there10:48
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hamilton5s/an/a/10:49
unixSnobhamilton5: your english is wrong10:49
gobukiunixSnob: look here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-call it's listed under dbus-send-google10:50
hamilton5k snob10:50
toggles_wlol10:50
K0JIbKA:-D10:50
gobukis/dbus-send-call/dbus-send-google/10:51
infobotgobuki meant: unixSnob: look here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-google it's listed under dbus-send-google10:51
unixSnobthanks gobuki10:52
Ken-YoungunixSnob, /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call  --dest=\"com.nokia.osso_browser\" /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:\"www.cnn.com\"10:52
unixSnobgood to know.. know I can see youtube and flash things when sitting at my desktop10:52
unixSnobgnash pretty much sucks10:53
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unixSnobs/know/now/10:53
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crashanddiemorning, Maemo11:22
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psycho_oreoswho has done USB passthrough with ubuntu 9.04? I'm having can't have dual gateways and for some reason, making default route go to wireless internet fails11:23
psycho_oreosI'm having issues such as dual gateways*11:23
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hamilton5dual gate ways huh11:25
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hamilton5as long as u have the usb networkin enabled for your kernel11:25
hamilton5its pretty stright forward11:25
hamilton5networking setup11:25
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psycho_oreosit is but everytime I ifup usb0 it will drop internet connection from ppp0, because default gw points to usb0 instead of ppp011:26
hamilton5as root ifconfig -a see if you see a usb0 on both11:26
psycho_oreoshttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking <-- actually I'm loosely following that guide11:26
hamilton5so bring up usb0 before ppp0 ?11:27
hamilton5or make new route after usb011:27
psycho_oreosyeah but the default gw should only remain as ppp0 not changed to usb0, maybe I can just add extra up lines11:27
psycho_oreoshmm there's another issue with that I'm using network-manager to handle with ppp011:27
psycho_oreosI suppose I could give it a try11:28
hamilton5word up 4:20 give it a try11:28
psycho_oreosheh its 18:28 here (6:28pm)11:29
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BCMMtalking of networking, does the n900 support any kind of tethering out-of-the-box?11:31
mooserwhat is that11:31
Venemohi everyone!11:32
mooseri have mobile hotspot semi-working11:32
hamilton5if you can set it up command line11:32
BCMM(i have no idea what the "PC Suite" does on Windows, but i'm surprised there is no NAT in the default kernel, given that tethering is quite a popular feature)11:32
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hamilton5few apps to use your gsm internet11:32
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BCMMi mean, are there any that work with the default kernel, and in general why on earth doesn't the default kernel do NAT?11:33
hamilton5hosts are going to start blocking it if it gets to out of control11:33
BCMMi mean, do iptables in general11:33
hamilton5iptables for just a client... why11:33
mooserBCMM: default unit is a very new phone OS and priority is features.  but unlike iphone our community let you do anything with device11:33
BCMMoh, i know11:33
mooserpriority is NOT features11:33
BCMMit just surprises me that iptables isn't in the default kernel for a communications device11:34
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BCMMit started to bother me when i discovered that fcam doesn't like kernel-power11:34
JaffaMorning, all11:35
Jaffacrashanddie: yup, got the links11:35
Jaffacrashanddie: Thanks11:35
crashanddienp, glad I could help11:35
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crashanddieJaffa: if there's anything else you need11:37
VRe_BCMM: maybe only few consumers need nat or iptables?11:39
Corsacfew consumers need nat yes, but filtering I disagree11:42
Corsac(though they shouldn't have to use iptables scripts)11:42
VRe_why u would need filtering?11:43
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VRe_do not run servers is simpler solution11:44
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VRe_and there is really not other daemons than ssh and http listening openly11:47
VRe_and those u have to install yourself, and if u have those u probably want to get to device from outside11:47
Corsacyes, but my point is not about known servers, rather than potentially untrusted applications11:47
Corsac(and filtering is not only inbound)11:48
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VRe_if you install untrusted application, those can remove any preset rules so what would be thepoint?11:49
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Corsacthey could do that at install time, not runtime11:50
VRe_they could add daemons, startup scriipts .. what ever11:50
Corsacanyway, you think filtering is useless, I disagree, that's all11:50
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VRe_only if you can guard the filering@which you can not.. and then you need to guard the guard ..etc.11:51
Jaffacrashanddie: I raised bug 11040 too11:51
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11040 Profile list pages get slower and slower to render11:51
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crashanddieJaffa: yeah, I'm assuming it queries the whole list, rather than using intelligent pagination11:52
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Jaffacrashanddie: Indeed11:52
fralshmm11:54
fralsis it just me.. or is thsi bug empty? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1104211:54
povbotBug 11042: MMS11:54
crashanddieJaffa: also, I noticed that around 200, the pages stops loading alltogether11:55
crashanddieJaffa: which your graph seems to display as well11:55
Jaffacrashanddie: Yup11:55
crashanddieJaffa: is that code open source?11:56
Jaffacrashanddie: Should be11:56
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crashanddiecan't seem to find it in http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/maemo2midgard/11:59
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crashanddieI love X-Fade's comments on the SVN commits... "Little bastard gave me grief."12:01
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Jaffacrashanddie: Maybe it's coming from upstream midgard?12:02
psycho_oreoshamilton5, thanks :) you solved half the puzzle, the other half was solved by me, which still needs manual override of default gw12:03
crashanddieJaffa: nope, it's here all right. Found the display page: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2009/profile/show-list-item.php?root=maemo2midgard&view=markup12:04
Jaffacrashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?q=org_openpsa_qbpager+-inurl%3Amaemo.org%2Fprofile+-inurl%3Agreywolves.org&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2 is helpful too12:04
Jaffacrashanddie: http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midgardmvc/org_openpsa_qbpager12:04
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crashanddieJaffa: yeah, but from what I can tell that's just the pager module12:08
crashanddieJaffa: doesn't actually do any user-querying12:08
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crashanddieX-Fade: why the hell aren't you working on sundays, eh?12:10
Stskeepscos he works enough during the week? :P12:12
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Stskeeps\12:20
Corsac/12:21
TermanaN900your sheild is no match for me12:22
TermanaN900pew pew pew12:22
TermanaN900:P12:22
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kerio|12:23
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kerio(look mom! no virtual kbd!)12:23
Corsac12:23
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kerio##/{12:24
keriom[12:24
keriohah12:24
keriocatches shots and sends them back12:24
kerio(that m is a spring)12:24
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TermanaN900kerio, looks more like perl12:30
TermanaN900:D12:30
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alteregoDoes the iPhone web browser support multiple windows or tabs?12:57
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Venemoalterego: this is probably a bad place to ask :P12:59
psycho_oreosthere's always ##apple13:00
alteregoWell, I don't want to go into #iphone as I'd probably get caught in the Steve Jobs distortion field.13:00
TermanaN900alterego, yes. tabs-kind of thing13:00
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alteregookay, that's cool13:01
TermanaN900alterego, think, webOS cards or MeeGo (handset) windows13:01
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jacekowskibut it looks like it reloads them when you switch13:01
jacekowskiso you have 2 or 3 tabs open13:01
jacekowskii think it's just 213:02
jacekowskiand then next tabs are fake tabs13:02
TermanaN900jacekowski, indication it is still a POS :) :P13:02
alteregoInteresting, presumably lack of resources.13:02
alteregoI wonder if that's the same on the iPad13:03
psycho_oreosthink ipad has less RAM available13:04
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psycho_oreoserr less RAM available compared to iphone 413:04
alteregoWell, the iPad is a 3GS generation device.13:05
alteregoI'm sure the iPad (4) will be amazing, with it's cool sleek external antenna design :)13:06
psycho_oreosmore like enlarged *snickers*13:06
alteregoAnd un-ergonomic styling.13:06
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psycho_oreosand steve jobs will be up there again making stories up.. or the media will put words in his mouth.. no two stories agree with each other as we all know what jobs is like anyway13:08
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psycho_oreoshe'll remain frail but continuing to maintain power from his death bed *ducks*13:08
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TermanaN900psycho_oreos, jobs is supposed to be god, not the godfather or something :P13:10
psycho_oreosTermanaN900, hardly any different to me.. he probably plays multiple roles13:11
TermanaN900psycho_oreos, including The Leacher13:12
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psycho_oreosTermanaN900, leacher?13:15
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TermanaN900psycho_oreos, well i mean, they take a lot of open source and either a) license major changes differently or b) change and keep propriatary (if the license allows)13:16
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TermanaN900so, i think its fair to say Jobs and Co. are leachers off of open source13:17
psycho_oreosTermanaN900, I define that as code thief :) but that's no different to gates/ballmer13:17
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crashanddieJaffa: wasn't able to find anything interesting for the user list, will have to ask someone who worked on the code previously13:18
TermanaN900psycho_oreos, does it look like im defending them either? :P13:18
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psycho_oreosmakes me think back to that documentary, pirates of the silicon valley.."Good artists copy, great artists steal" - picasso13:18
crashanddieTermanaN900: you're always playing the devil's advocate, so, "Yes" is my answer.13:18
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Corsacpsycho_oreos: I'm not exactly sure Picasso was thinking about source code though13:19
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: why do you quote a documentary that quotes a painter rather than quoting the painter directly?13:19
psycho_oreosTermanaN900, nope but that's good :) mac fans don't mix well with linux fans13:19
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: wtf?13:19
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: I'm a mac fan, also a thorough linux fan13:19
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Dmitrys... hello, and I am a PC =)13:20
psycho_oreosCorsac, no but you can treat it as an analogy rather than a direct comparison13:20
Corsaccrashanddie: no you're not, you _have_ to choose!13:20
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TermanaN900Dmitrys, :P13:20
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, because the quote doesn't belong to me :)13:20
crashanddieCorsac: NOOOOOOOOOOOO13:20
Corsacpsycho_oreos: I was kinda ironic, too13:20
Dmitrysgentlemen, wtf you're talking about again and again? =)13:21
psycho_oreosCorsac, well I fell through :P13:21
crashanddieDmitrys: as usual, some idiot is talking about copyright, and somehow managed to include Apple in the discussion.13:21
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, there are parts where I'm sure you will come to terms in dispute :)13:21
Dmitrysomg... it's escalading again =(13:22
psycho_oreosand the person who refers to the other person as an idiot missed what was said :p13:22
Dmitrysc'mon people... just stop it... useless =)13:22
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: ok, I'll bite. "Linux is nice when you're a student and have no money and all, but OSX is just when you're an adult, and can't be bothered to recompile your kernel ever two weeks"13:22
crashanddie</tongue_in_cheek>13:22
Dmitryscrashanddie that's right =)13:23
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, I can't see how maemo was designed to make the user/owner compile their kernels? elaborate?13:23
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crashanddiedid I say Maemo?13:23
MohammadAG51did I hear Mac?13:23
DmitrysMohammadAG51 what about particular Mac?13:24
MohammadAG51mac fans13:24
psycho_oreosand yes maybe apple's products are nice but I'd hate to be controlled.. the lack of freedom on iphone for example is apparent13:24
crashanddieMohammadAG51: Seth MacFarlane?13:24
Dmitrysppl are talking about differences13:24
MohammadAG51crashanddie, that's the one, ty13:24
psycho_oreosno you didn't say a maemo but you're trying to stereotype no?13:24
Dmitrysbetweeen god sake mac and linux13:24
MohammadAG51they both pwn windows, EOF13:24
Dmitrys))))))))13:25
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crashanddiepsycho_oreos: yes, "tongue in cheek" should've warned you about the sarcasm in my comment ;)13:25
crashanddiepsycho_oreos: now get off your high horses and go troll somewhere else13:25
kerioos x is a really nice desktop OS13:25
* psycho_oreos sighs13:25
kerioprobably better than foobuntu13:25
Dmitrysheeey! maemo is not ubuntu... it's not a DESKTOPPY linukz =)13:26
psycho_oreoscrashanddie, since when was I trolling?13:26
keriofor servers or embedded systems... linux ftfw13:26
MohammadAG51since the globe went flat13:26
crashanddiekerio: if only the updates could be less than 5Gigs :P13:26
crashanddiekerio: the software update app is yelling at me for the past couple weeks because I don't have enough space on the HD so it can update the system :P13:26
keriocrashanddie: yeah :( i'm on a crappy connection atm, cba to download stuff for 6 hours13:27
alteregoI use my phobe get about 2.5Mb13:27
crashanddiekinda reminds of maemo in a way :P "Not enough free space available to update" :P13:27
Dmitrysallright! what about meego? what is the current stage of adaptation for n900?13:27
alterego15 minutes for an average software update on ubuntu13:28
MohammadAG51#meego13:28
kerioDmitrys: "not much"13:28
kerioalterego: regular updates, sure13:28
Dmitrysstill useless?13:28
MohammadAG51#meego13:28
crashanddiealterego: well, again, depends of the network13:28
keriothe Enterprise solution is to release bigass updates in a pack13:28
psycho_oreosnice, I'll keep my eye in that channel13:28
DmitrysMohammadAG51 thank you mr. Mohammad - I am already there...13:28
alteregokerio: I did a clean install and update yesterday, 20 minutes using my N90013:28
MohammadAG51Dmitrys, then ask there :)13:28
crashanddiealterego: I can give you the address of a luxury hotel in Brisbane where updating a fresh install of ubuntu (one of my vm images) took over 2 weeks :D13:29
kerioand we all know that's the Only True Way13:29
alteregoI'm quite lucky, I've got good 3G connection here.13:29
DmitrysMohammadAG51 no diff btw meego and maemo at the moment13:29
alteregocrashanddie: you were there for two weeks? :)13:29
Termanacrashanddie, OS X is lovely. I was stuck on 10.5.6 on an install, too old to get Safari 4. But it let me update iTunes. But I then couldn't access the store AT ALL - I needed to update Safari for that13:29
TermanaCatch 2213:29
crashanddieDmitrys: wait, what?13:29
DmitrysMohammadAG51 this is the way it lives13:29
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MohammadAG51uhuh13:29
crashanddieTermana: ouch13:29
Dmitryscrashanddie i see no difference excluding UI13:30
MohammadAG51LOL13:30
TermanaDmitrys, lol what?13:30
Dmitrys=)13:30
crashanddieDmitrys: you do realise that maemo is based off debian, and meego is well... not?13:30
TermanaSomeone tell me he is kidding13:30
TermanaHe is kidding right?13:30
MohammadAG51Termana, he isn't13:30
* Termana dies13:31
valdyntrolling13:31
Dmitryssry ppl! I meant purpose!13:31
valdynblind13:31
* MohammadAG51 kill -9s Termana 13:31
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: oh noes, you killed 9 seconds off Termana's life!13:31
crashanddieYou bastard!13:31
keriomeego personal setup:13:31
Dmitrysc'mon! =)13:31
kerio1) yum install apt4rpm13:31
MohammadAG51crashanddie, no, I used kill -9 :P13:31
kerio2) apt-get remove yum13:31
crashanddieMohammadAG51: no, you used -9s13:31
TermanaMohammadAG51, shouldn't -9 kill my parent processes as well. What did they ever do to you!? :P13:31
MohammadAG51crashanddie, it was used as a verb :P13:32
crashanddieMohammadAG51: you're going to be used as a verb in the past tense if you keep going like this :P13:32
alteregoI could really do with removing long keypress in favour key repeat ...13:32
MohammadAG51crashanddie, cool13:32
alteregoBackspace is a pain-in-the-ass13:32
kerioalterego: you can13:32
MohammadAG51gconf13:32
alteregokerio: I presumed so :P13:32
keriothere's a gconf setting13:32
Corsacalterego: a space in the back?13:32
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alteregoOh great, you got the path?13:33
kerioi'd also like to remove sticky mod keys13:33
crashanddie"So, what happened to that troll in #maemo the other day?" "He was MohammadAG'd" "Oh, ouch, that's gotta hurt".13:33
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Termanalol13:33
crashanddieDamn I'm bored13:33
alteregoHeh13:33
MohammadAG51Noticed that13:33
MohammadAG51get off your arse and sudo make me a driver13:34
crashanddienha, can't really dev13:34
MohammadAG51I used sudo :(13:34
crashanddieI hurt my back the other day, I have to sit in the couch13:34
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crashanddieand dev'ing with only one 13" screen is a pita13:34
TermanaMohammadAG51, try sudo gainroot ; sudo make me a driver13:35
Termana:P13:35
Termanaerr13:35
Termanawithout the second sudo13:35
keriosudo sudo sudo make me a driver13:35
crashanddieTermana: you're sudo'ing from root? :P13:35
MohammadAG51Termana, no tty, I can't use the spawned shell13:35
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crashanddieMohammadAG51: can you spawn hell?13:35
Termanacrashanddie, just making absolutely sure I'm executing as root!!!111!!13:36
MohammadAG51crashanddie, no, but I can have you spawned in it :P13:36
MohammadAG51Termana, rm -rf /usr13:36
crashanddieI'm already spawned. I though re-spawning was impossible?13:36
crashanddie+t13:36
MohammadAG51crashanddie, impossible is nothing®13:36
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misc--hi all, is there a way I can make an application start automatically as soon as the wireless connection goes down?13:37
MohammadAG51Most probably, using a daemon13:37
Termanacreate a daemon that listens on dbus?13:37
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alterego/etc/network/ifdown.d13:38
misc--ah right, it's all controlled through there is it13:38
misc--ahh13:38
alteregoOr whereever it is13:38
crashanddiemisc--: there's also the ICD2 framework (or whatever it's called)13:39
misc--yes, that could be the go... thanks for that, I'll check it out13:39
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crashanddiemisc--: which can give you hooks on specific actions (specific wifi connection with specific BSSID is connected, goes down), 3g switches to wifi, etc13:39
misc--oh ok, I haven't heard of that but thanks =) I'll take a look if the if-down.d doesn't work13:39
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misc--ohhhh that sounds exactly what I'm after13:39
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misc--actually, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but sometimes when on 3g, it just does not connect to wireless automatically, even though I've set it up in the settings. Most times it works, but about 30% of the time it does not connect to wireless automatically13:40
misc--(using titan's kernel, if that's relevant)13:41
MohammadAG51crashanddie, 3G to wifi?13:41
MohammadAG51crashanddie, why don't most apps use that13:42
MohammadAG51meh, why am I asking you13:42
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crashanddiemisc--: I think it has to do with how many apps are actually attempting to use new connections13:43
crashanddiemisc--: if an app attempts to create new connections, it might search periodically for wifi in vicinity13:43
crashanddiemisc--: if however, the apps use the same tube, so the internet connection daemon doesn't get called, no search.13:44
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crashanddieat least, that's how I'd have coded it :P13:44
Termanacrashanddie, even though that sound kind of flawed, you still admit thats how you would have coded it? :P13:45
misc--ahhh, so current connections means that wifi searcher doesn't get called because there are still active connections, where as new connections would force a wifi search to be done, or something?13:45
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crashanddieTermana: it's not flawed. It's the next best option to save battery life (as compared to searching for wifi every 10 minutes)13:45
crashanddieTermana: and yeah, I usually tend to code what I'm asked, even though I'm rarely the one who decides what it should do :)13:46
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Termanabattery life? Who needs that13:46
crashanddiemisc--: that's how I'd explain the lack of "wifi detection" on a regular basis13:46
Termana:D13:46
TermanaSeriously though, is it just me or do the FM daemons suck the life out of your battery?13:47
Stskeepsfm usually does13:47
TermanaI installed one of the FM players and noticed my battery life went down. It greatly improved when i uninstalled it13:47
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misc--crashanddie: ok that's interesting. I don't care that there are existing connections on 3g, I would just prefer it to switch right away (or at least whenever the 5 minute search happens). Oh well13:47
crashanddieMohammadAG51: did you see the light painting warfare video?13:49
crashanddieMohammadAG51: you have access to youtube, and all that, yeah?13:49
crashanddie:P13:49
Termana:P13:49
TermanaYouTube is owned by the big bad Google, so MohammadAG51 doesn't go there13:49
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crashanddiehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SWfPoITlP813:50
crashanddieexcellent video13:50
alteregoHrm, can't find the gconf key.13:50
alteregoOr at leaset the one I toggled didn't seem to do it.13:51
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alteregolcuk: ping13:52
lcukhey alterego13:53
lcukcrashanddie, thats like the light games you played around your bike13:53
crashanddielcuk: yup13:53
alteregoI was just thinking, you said you split up your YUV into a planar representation13:53
crashanddielcuk: except I did maybe 10 pictures worth of it, they did 500 pictures, with a story :P13:53
lcukyeah crashanddie that looks awesome13:53
alteregoDon't you just need the intensity? You shouldn't have needed colour for your inverse AR stjff :)13:54
alteregoI wouldn't have thought.13:54
lcukalterego, i grabbed the one I wrote for the n810 and I still have to use the planar to render the live camera image13:54
lcukso the conversion is full color13:55
alteregoAh, fair nuff13:55
lcuk(and on the n810 even included a color muting routine which reduced intensity of the UV planes by half to remove most of the grainyness13:55
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alteregoI was just wondering, as it'd make things a lot quicker if you didn't use UV :)13:56
lcukyeah but now I am glad I did13:56
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alteregoHeh13:56
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lcukbecause the point sourcesidentified can now be checked for hue13:56
lcukand I can make sure I only pick out certain bright spots13:56
alteregoRight13:56
lcukie if I want red lights or something13:56
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crashanddielcuk: another one from the same guy which is pretty cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=031Dshcnso413:59
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lcukoh cool crashanddie14:01
lcukmy mum would love that, she would sit in bedrom shooting into the garden just to fill it with flowers14:02
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DassuAny YouTube Client for N900 that still works?14:02
TermanaI can fap to this14:02
Termana:P Kidding14:03
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alteregoDassu: microb?14:03
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TermanaDassu, zutube (or w/e) doesn't work?14:03
lcukDassu, native browser works for me14:03
Termanazoutube*14:03
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DassuTermana: Zoutube doesn't work and hasn't worked for few months. The fix was posted but it was never implemented14:07
DassuImho microb is way too slow.14:08
TermanaYou know what to do!14:08
TermanaOVERCLOCK!14:08
* Termana runs14:08
Dassu....14:08
Termana:P lol14:08
alteregoDassu: too slow for what?14:08
alteregoIt plays you tube videos finel14:08
TermanaDassu, its a joke14:08
DassuToo slow for that type of lash14:08
Dassu*flash14:08
alteregoAs long as you buffer them first14:08
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Dassualterego: yes, but it takes time to load and meanwhile the whole device seems to be running at 100%14:09
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DassuI even use minitube on my Linux laptop because of the flash14:10
MohammadAG51flash sucks tbh14:10
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MohammadAG51it 100%s my 1.7GHz (signle core) laptop14:11
MohammadAG51barely touches my i514:11
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TermanaIt locks up my poor EEE PC :P14:13
liorihello... if I started writing an app for maemo now, should I choose gtk or qt?14:13
nid0qt14:13
alteregoFlash is somewhat of a resource hog.14:13
Termanaliori, qt14:13
TermanaAny browser with HTML5 video support on the N900 atm?14:13
alteregoBut what are the current alternatives. We're a slave to idiot web designers aswell :)14:13
MohammadAG51alterego, somewhat?14:13
TermanaI guess the nightly Chrome builds could be used with HTML5 video on the n900?14:14
liori...which leads to another question: is there a pleasant language which works on maemo and has good bindings to qt?14:14
MohammadAG51Termana, wouldn't flash be faster?14:14
nid0current alternatives == silverlight14:14
MohammadAG51chrome is kind of a proof of concept14:14
DassuTermana: MicroB but only for OGG theora14:14
liori(c++ is not pleasant, python lacks static typing)14:14
lcukliori, well what language would suit you14:15
MohammadAG51PyC14:15
liorianything high-level with static typing14:15
MohammadAG51:p14:15
lcukbecause I don't now of many things that interop with C++ nicely14:15
* lcuk sometimes missed ActiveX14:15
MohammadAG51o_O14:15
MohammadAG51isn't that shit well.. shit?14:16
liorisomething like c# would be good enough for me... except that it doesn't like qt and mono is not ported to maemo14:16
lcukno, technically ActiveX allowed interop from many places14:16
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lcukliori, there are mono builds available14:16
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lcukbut to use them you need to add new devkits into scratchbox14:17
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Termana_Gah these disconnects aren't even funny anymore14:17
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* lcuk ponders going back to bed14:30
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* crashanddie is bored14:33
MohammadAG51same14:34
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TermanaI have a mission for everyone bored, if you choose to accept it14:35
* lcuk plays with gestures14:35
TermanaYour mission: Find a brick, and take a photo of you putting it (lightly) against your N900, deliver the picture to me.14:35
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TermanaThis message will self destruct... when the logs are purged14:36
MohammadAG51hmm, I have a better challenge14:36
lcukTermana, thats crap and would need a second device to take photo with14:36
MohammadAG51get a dozen of bricks, then tape yourself throwing them at Termana14:36
Pforcefuuu what should i do next for DropN900 :14:37
Pforce:P14:37
Pforceupload sync i suppose14:37
TermanaMohammadAG51 seems intent on doing malicious damage to me tonight :P14:37
MohammadAG51a code merge with flyN90014:37
MohammadAG51Termana, I don't do *** an*l :P14:37
Pforce:)14:37
* MohammadAG51 wonders why he censored that14:38
TermanaMohammadAG51, I didn't mean to participate in NITdroid honestly! Please dont hurt me14:38
PforceThrowBox14:38
Termana:P14:38
lbtLMAO .... watching the F1... and they're playing "Fernando" over the Massa/Ferrari section...."If I had to do the same again, I would my firend" :D14:39
lcukTermana, http://liqbase.net/liq.20100801_001.termana.jpg14:39
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Termanalcuk, do you 'shop that with MS Paint?14:40
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lcukyes, I am THAT bored14:40
Termanadid*14:40
lcuk no14:40
Termana:P14:40
* lcuk has been playing with gestures and using liqcalc as the test unit14:40
Termanalcuk, thanks, now I can tell the trolls on tmo that say their device is bricked, that NO it isn't. THIS N900 is bricked14:40
lcukits not though, its on14:41
Termanalcuk, would you rather me get you to smash a brick into your n900? :P14:41
lcuknahh i need them to play with14:42
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TermanaNo? Then you will say NOTHING of the sort again!14:42
Termana:P14:42
lcukTermana, http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/raw/master/liqcalc.screenshot.png14:42
lcukwhich part of that needs documentation14:42
Termanalcuk, none of it.14:42
TermanaSOLAR CELL dims the screen14:43
lcuk:D14:43
lcukindeed it does!14:43
Termanalcuk, sorry - I was here when you described it before :P14:43
Termanalol14:43
lcukits the first thing I think that NEEDS capacitive14:43
lcukso I can proportionally dim it based on how much its covered14:43
lcukat the moment its just on press14:44
Termanalcuk, I don't... think... capacitive can do that?14:44
TermanaCan it?14:44
Termana:P14:44
lcukyeah sure, you get a splodge14:44
lcukand can work out size of the splodge14:44
TermanaOh I'm sorry "how much its covered", I thought you said "how hard its covered", as in how hard its pressed :P14:45
lcukTermana, you only have to block out the incoming light14:45
lcuk:P14:45
lcuknot press it into the ground14:45
Termanalcuk, :P14:45
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Termanalcuk, it would be more life like that way - any calculator I've used that has one you need to press down a bit before it does anything14:46
Termanalcuk, or maybe I was using liqcalc...14:46
lcukwell thats fine, it does that now14:46
Termana:D14:46
* lcuk puts optification into libliqbase and re merges the portrait branch14:47
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lcukoh cripes - last night i started some minor mods and just left the editor open :(14:48
* lcuk should revert and code again14:48
* lcuk dislikes multiple desktops on ubuntu for this reason14:50
lcukyou "lose" windows too easily14:50
alteregoMy laptop got a bit of water damage last night. Now it wont turn on.14:50
alteregoscht ...14:50
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SpeedEvilalterego: Disconnect battery and any AC. Ideally at the moment it happens.14:50
SpeedEvilalterego: Is it a lot of water?14:50
Termanaalterego, DocScrutinizer thinks you should put it in rice14:51
Termana:D14:51
alteregoNot too much14:51
SpeedEvilalterego: how clean water?14:51
alteregoI've taken panels off and am leaving it some time to dry14:51
alteregoIt was clean water yeah14:51
SpeedEvilRemove hard drive, place in oven at 60C to dry for a day.14:52
alteregoMight download the maintanance manual and see about taking it apart properly and drying it manually14:52
SpeedEvilIf you're sure it was clean water.14:52
alteregoThen leaving it a bit longer14:52
Termanalcuk, liqbase-playground makes my n900 use more power than the usb charger is providing14:52
SpeedEvilyeah - that's another good idea.14:52
Termanalcuk, stop draining my battery :P14:52
alteregoYeah, I only drink water really ;)14:52
lcukTermana, what are you running on the playground?14:52
DocScrutinizer51Termana: fuck I never said that14:52
lcuksince using more power is something anything can do, but most of the cells are idle unless used14:53
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TermanaDocScrutinizer51, specifically why I said it old chap - in fact you said it makes no difference14:53
Termanalcuk, I used the torch when the notification came up, so thats probably what it was14:54
lcukdamn!  yeah the torch using so much stuff :| not it sits totally idle with a blank screen14:54
lcukso whatever is draining power is not that14:54
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lcukwhats top saying14:55
Termanalcuk, also, liqbase-playground installed something called onedotzero - it crashed before starting14:55
lcukyes the packages are a bit stale in -devel14:55
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* lcuk has not pushed recently14:55
lcukbut i replaced one of the odz dependencies there14:55
* lcuk will try to update today14:56
Termanalcuk, doesn't seem to be doing too much in top - though the notification didn't come up again either14:56
lcukthe version in -devel still has lots of green flashes around doesnt it14:57
Termanalcuk, yep14:57
* lcuk is pleased to have removed those14:58
Termanalcuk, also, the postcard app, when I click to draw, it comes up with a credits screen, but when it goes back to the selection screen, it shows that I have been able to draw on the postcard, hidden under the credits screen obviously14:58
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lcukTermana, yeah, fixed15:01
lcukare you working from source? i didnt think I had pushed that to -devel yet15:01
keriowhat's the front-facing camera for? :/15:01
lcuk(thats actually bug #1!) http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/issues/issue/115:02
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it15:02
MohammadAG51lol15:02
Termanalcuk, no, working from -devel15:02
Termanalcuk, there you go, the bot thinks you should ignore it :P15:02
lcukhmm i didnt think the cover screen had gotten there, ahh well15:02
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lcukthats fine it has been dealt with and moved past quickly :P15:02
lcukhttp://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/commit/d3920198103d6e35f3c020f8901ea4c28d4d520015:03
crashanddieheh, dneary has made slashdot :D15:03
TermanaI think chrome is having a heart attack on me, keeps force closing pages for no reason15:04
Termanacrashanddie, link?15:04
crashanddiehttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/08/01/0326208/First-GNOME-Census-Results?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher15:04
crashanddiethe first two links first words are "Reposted from Neary Consulting" and "Dave Neary..." respectively.15:05
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TermanaCanonical... I'm a disappoint.15:07
* Termana uninstalls Ubuntu15:07
Termana:P15:07
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lcukmorning wazd \o15:08
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EbzzryHi! Is it currently possible to send SMS via command line in Maemo 5?15:10
TermanaEbzzry, you should be able to do it with dbus15:10
Termanasec, I'll find the exact command15:10
EbzzryTermana: :)15:10
TermanaEbzzry, eh maybe not dbus if you don't want to use python, but if you use pnatd and send the correct AT commands you can send an SMS15:11
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EbzzryTermana: Do you happen to have a link to the docs?15:12
TermanaAlthough SMS could be done over dbus, I can't figure out the listed script quickly enough to tell you the exact command15:12
TermanaEbzzry, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS15:13
TermanaThere might be something outside that, I don't know15:13
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EbzzryTermana: I'll go and check it out now.15:14
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EbzzryTermana: Thanks15:21
* lcuk just send a posthumous SMS message to mrs lcuk15:21
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crashanddielcuk: eh?15:23
crashanddielcuk: tracy passed?15:23
lcukno15:23
Venemohi15:24
lcukshe said "i am just getting some dinner in the shopping centre cafe before i die of starvation"15:24
lcukso i texted back saying i had already died15:24
Venemocan the Maemo SDK be installed on 64-bit Linux?15:24
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Venemothe installer says "not supported, but you can install it anyways"15:24
lcukVenemo, yes but with more gotchas than in 32bit, i believe the documentaiton on maemo.org goes through it15:24
Venemowill it actually work?15:25
derfIt works just fine for me.15:25
Venemowill it work on Fedora?15:26
derfGekk if I know.15:26
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crashanddieVenemo: I hear Meego works well on Fedora15:26
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Venemocrashanddie: perhaps, but I'm interested in the current N900 SDK15:27
crashanddies/Fedora/Fedora :P/15:27
infobotcrashanddie meant: Venemo: I hear Meego works well on Fedora :P15:27
lcukhe wants an sdk - Venemo what apps are you trying to develop - ie qt only or general gtk/misc apps?15:27
crashanddieI'd love to be able to dev natively on OSX for the N90015:28
Venemolcuk: I want to be able to compile and run all the apps that people develop with Scratchbox15:29
Venemolcuk: I already have Nokia Qt SDK up and running :)15:29
lcukVenemo, then if your linux foo is strong yo ushould get it on, but as it says its not supported15:29
Venemolcuk: well, I don't really care if it is supported or not, it is enough if it works15:30
Venemohm, E: Scratchbox cannot be used under Security Enchanced Linux (SELinux).15:30
Venemoit seems that I have to disable SELinux15:30
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GNU\caust1chi! my n900 recently shutdown because of low battery while i was installing a package and was stuck in a reboot loop afterwards and it didnt charge15:43
GNU\caust1csomeone proposed to put the device into r&d mode, which i did now. it is connected to usb right now and the orange light is on, but it isn't flashing. is the device charging now?15:43
GNU\caust1cit isnt rebooting now, it just shows the nokia logo with the maintainence logo15:44
VenemoGNU\caust1c: will it not charge if you leave it on the charger?15:46
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GNU\caust1cit is constantly rebooting on the charger15:46
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Stskeepsflash the entire thing.15:46
GNU\caust1ci need to charge the battery first15:46
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knightstalkerHello,I don't know why my fring doesn't have skype add-on anymore,I am sure I was using it some time ago but it doesn't do skype anymore,any reasons?15:47
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VenemoGNU\caust1c: yep, I second the reflash opinion15:47
GNU\caust1ci hope its charging right now, but i don't know it, thats why i'm asking15:47
Venemoknightstalker: noone knows, but it seems that fring no longer supports Skype15:48
knightstalkerVenemo,Ahhh,Thats bad,so there are now no standalone skype client?15:48
Venemoknightstalker: I dunno. What's wrong with the built-in one?15:49
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knightstalkerVenemo,Well,Can I make video calls with it?Or probably use the chat system of it?15:49
Venemoknightstalker: yes, both.15:50
knightstalkerI know I can make voice calls to a phone(I think),but can I make voice calls to a user?15:50
knightstalkerwell then,it seems to be fine :p15:50
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knightstalkereh,Venemo,How can I access Skype's page in built-in system which I can tell it to make video calls or do text(for voice call I know that I just need to go to phone)15:53
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wazdlcuk: o/15:55
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knightstalkerdo chat*15:57
knightstalkerhttp://www.fring.com/newsroom/skypeblocksfring.asp15:59
knightstalkerSilly skype </316:00
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FauxFauxknightstalker: Read the Skype response to that.  Silly fring.16:01
crashanddiehi wazd16:01
knightstalkerFauxFaux,k :p16:02
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knightstalkerFauxFaux,so can you also answer me? XD16:03
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knightstalker"In this case, however, there is no truth to Fring’s claims that Skype has blocked it. Fring made the decision to remove Skype functionality on its own." XDDDD16:05
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knightstalkerbut I also beleive skype doesn't work so good in their clients,for an example,its linux client which suck terribly :p16:07
crashanddieeh?16:07
knightstalkerJup :p16:07
crashanddieHave you seen Skype on the N900 mate? Works fine16:08
knightstalkerSure I did16:08
crashanddieHave you seen Skype on OSX? Works fine.16:08
knightstalkerI didn't :p16:08
knightstalkerXD16:08
knightstalkerWell,They work fine16:08
crashanddieI've been using Skype for the past what, 8 years? Never had issues -- maybe sometimes some weird funky routing problems but that's about it16:08
knightstalkerbut have you ever seen the linux version?Windows version is way better16:08
knightstalkerAnd linux version compared to the windows one is crap16:08
crashanddieI don't think so, but meh, you have your opinion and don't wish to change it16:09
crashanddieyour first statement made that very clear.16:09
knightstalkerIt did :p16:09
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crashanddieyou use smileys a bit too often mate. This isn't /b/16:09
knightstalkerI don't think using smiley does harm users eyes though and I like them16:10
jacekowskilinux version isn't crap16:11
jacekowskiit just lags a bit after all other version16:11
jacekowskivideo calls were added little bit later16:11
jacekowskialsa support was added couple years too late16:11
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jacekowskibut it is same as windows skype was 5 years ago16:12
knightstalkerGenerally,They update it ages after they do the windows skype16:12
jacekowskibecause nobody cares about linux16:12
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knightstalkerjacekowski,and what you are saying is fail16:12
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knightstalkerI know that windows users are more,but that doesn't mean to ignore linux completely16:13
crashanddiehow about you stfu?16:13
DocScrutinizerto be honest " :p " hurts my eyes16:13
knightstalkerk then16:13
knightstalkerI stfu16:13
jacekowskithey don't ignore it completly16:13
jacekowskithey just leave it little bit behind16:14
crashanddiethey have a bloody official client, which does nearly everything the other clients do16:15
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knightstalkercrashanddie,sorry but,didn't you just end the topic?16:15
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crashanddienow I did16:15
DocScrutinizerveto16:16
crashanddieyeah, me too, that's unacceptable crashanddie16:16
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jacekowskicrashanddie: little bit waspy today?16:16
crashanddiequite16:16
crashanddieI'm just too f'in bored16:16
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crashanddienothing to do, weather isn't really nice, nobody available to go see16:17
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crashanddieweeeeeeeeeeeeee16:18
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luke-jrhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYmEICNgOQ16:20
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knightstalkeroO16:20
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DocScrutinizerX-Fade: clean access list up a bit?16:21
DocScrutinizer*!i=coffee@mug.ipv6.c0ffee.org  WTF?!16:22
zashOMG, You can write coffe in hex! omfg16:24
zash12648430 \o/16:24
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: keep in mind the access list is at least 5 years old..16:28
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lcukmmmm fake cheese on toast is poor but nutricious substitute for putting the grill on a for a while16:34
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DocScrutinizerFAKE cheese?? :-o°°|)16:41
luke-jrfreenode_#sane.log:[Friday 02 October 2009] [06:51:46 pm] Join  c0ffee has joined this channel (n=coffee@mug.ipv6.c0ffee.org).16:41
luke-jrfwiw16:41
DocScrutinizeryeeeha16:42
DocScrutinizer -NickServ- Last seen  : Dec 27 01:32:46 2009 (31 weeks, 0 days, 12:09:43 ago)16:42
lcukDocScrutinizer, grated cheese put on regular toast and zapped in the microwave for a bit16:43
lcukvs real toasted cheese under the grill16:43
DocScrutinizermhm16:43
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lcukone takes a few seconds, the other needs warming up the oven for a while16:44
TermanaSomehow I opened up 2 xchat windows16:44
Termana:P16:44
DocScrutinizerthought you're talking about those indigestible mockup products like analog cheese, preferably from a can sprayed on the toast16:44
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knightstalkerTermana,what do you mean?16:45
lcuklol nope not quite that bad16:45
Termanaknightstalker, I opened up two xchat windows. Pretty much means exactly that :P16:45
lcukjake helped me put black pepper on it16:45
lcuki think we will be finding random bits of pepper around the kitchen for the next few months16:45
DocScrutinizerTermana: so what?16:45
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knightstalkerTermana,Then,I don't feel thats weird?16:46
TermanaSounds like someone hasn't had their milk yet16:46
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lcukTermana, at least with opening 2 instances you can be sure of getting an answer if you ask something16:46
lcukunless your clone doesnt like the sound of you either :P16:46
Termanalcuk, :P16:47
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DocScrutinizerTermana: don't make me angry, you already managed to wake me up by highlighting me with incorrect quotes :-S16:47
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Knight|HW^wow,The sound you use for HighLight must be horrible XD16:48
TermanaDocScrutinizer, I'm sorry for waking you. Though I fail to see how you awoke quite a bit after I highlighted you. Do you make it beep at you every 5 minutes when your highlighted or something?16:48
Knight|HWwhich managed to wake you up16:48
* lcuk has bacon as a highlight 16:49
Termanammm bacon16:49
DocScrutinizerTermana: what detail makes you think I woke up *after* you highlighted me?16:49
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, Let me propose this to you. If you don't want to be woken up when people say your name, turn off your speakers.16:50
DocScrutinizerTermana: of course I woke up the very moment you posted <Termana> alterego, DocScrutinizer thinks you should put it in rice16:50
TermanaDocScrutinizer, not because I highlighted you though16:51
Knight|HWI say,highlighting someone isn16:51
TermanaBecause I said "thinks you should put it in rice", the highlight didn't wake you16:51
Knight|HWisn't a good reason to fight and discuss it for some time XD16:51
DocScrutinizerTermana: even worse, you spread lies about me *without* highlighting me :-P16:51
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FireStorm|guys, got a problem, i've cracked my screen so can't use the phone, is there anyway to get contacts off it, unforuntly they are not saved to sim :(16:52
DocScrutinizerFireStorm|: use AV-cale and TV16:53
DocScrutinizercable even16:53
FireStorm|do i need to do anything as i got password on it16:53
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Knight|HWyou can use keyboard cant you?16:54
FireStorm|so can't use the screen16:54
Knight|HWYou just connect it to TV and use the keyboard to input the password16:54
FireStorm|or can u use the keyboard to enter in password16:54
FireStorm|^^^ :p16:54
FireStorm|ur a legend16:54
Knight|HWhmm16:55
FireStorm|wish i knew that last night16:55
FireStorm|phone got into a fight and lost16:55
FireStorm|:(16:55
Knight|HWomg16:55
Knight|HWyou use such phone for a fight XD16:55
Knight|HWsuch a big risk16:55
FireStorm|no16:55
FireStorm|we got into a fight16:55
FireStorm|and it was in pocket16:55
FireStorm|and we beat matey up16:56
Knight|HWaha16:56
FireStorm|but the phone suffered a cracked screen ;916:56
FireStorm|that might been the coppers man handlign me to the floor16:56
lcukbut you shouldv seen the state of the other guys' phone16:56
DocScrutinizerwill cost you ~80 bucks16:56
Knight|HWDocScrutinizer,hmm,do ssh in N900 auto runs when the mobile starts up?16:56
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SpeedEvilKnight|HW: If you have installed the daemon.16:56
DocScrutinizerif you installed ssh server then yes16:56
FireStorm|oooo16:57
FireStorm|i wonder16:57
SpeedEvilopenssh client/server16:57
Knight|HWOkay,Thanks,and yeah I meant the ssh server XD16:57
FireStorm|lcuk dunno about the other bloke he went off in a ambulance...16:57
Knight|HWFireStorm| if you possibly had ssh you could use it to install vnc and then using vnc you could made a visual connection to the phone16:58
FireStorm|DocScrutinizer it's insured, spoke to shop n they wann send it off for 2 -4 weeks16:58
FireStorm|yer vnc is installed16:58
Knight|HWI am pretty sure by then you could enter the password16:58
FireStorm|ssh is running16:58
FireStorm|but16:58
DocScrutinizerKnight|HW: there are weido hacks to stop/start sshd on click of a button/icon/widget16:58
FireStorm|i would need to connect it via cable?16:58
FireStorm|or over local wireless16:58
DocScrutinizerbut you'd know if you got one of those16:58
DocScrutinizerFireStorm|: yep16:59
Knight|HWFireStorm| I don't know the cable way,maybe ask others but yeah,for wireless,yeah,just connect it to wireless find its local IP via the router and connect to it <316:59
FireStorm|lcuk i couldn't help it that his mega gorgeous bird grabbed my fake cock and stuck it in her mouth :d16:59
DocScrutinizerFireStorm|: why don't you use TV??16:59
Knight|HWAnd omg,I have HomeWork16:59
FireStorm|yer i am going to go via t.v be easier16:59
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Knight|HWDocScrutinizer,He wonders if he can put pass via keyboard I beleive16:59
FireStorm|yer17:00
DocScrutinizeryou can17:00
lcukFireStorm|, wtf :S not the sort of info that comes out of this discussion17:00
Knight|HWI think we can right17:00
Knight|HW?17:00
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TermanaOh jees. How brought t.m.o here?17:00
TermanaWho*17:00
Knight|HWRight XD17:00
FireStorm|lol was on a stag do :D17:00
FireStorm|and he got jealous and got beat up and i broke phone :(17:00
DocScrutinizerTermana: you!17:00
FireStorm|but the g1 in other pocket is perfect :(17:00
FireStorm|cheap nokia crap?17:00
TermanaDocScrutinizer, yes, just like I woke you - all lies I tells ya!17:01
Knight|HWSomething else,Do someone knows why N900 hates "|" ?I couldn't manage to find it on keyboard OR use vnc to use that character17:01
DocScrutinizerTermana: so finally you know what to get for your serial fixture?17:01
TermanaKnight|HW, its not on the keyboard, which explains why you cant find it.17:02
technomikeOn searching the net, I have just found out about R&D mode :o17:02
TermanaDocScrutinizer, no? Am I suppose to know?17:02
Knight|HWTermana,I am not blind ofc...did you just read the main question? .-.17:02
DocScrutinizeryep17:02
Termanasupposed*17:02
DocScrutinizerTermana: http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm17:03
TermanaKnight|HW, the N900 is an inanimate object and doesn't have feelings, therefore I concluded that it doesn't hate it17:03
Knight|HWokay thanks for the answer...17:03
technomikeGuys, what is the benefit/use of ASTERISK PBX on n900/maemo ??17:03
DocScrutinizerplus some minor rework by soldering wires to correct pogopins, maybe17:03
luke-jrKnight|HW: because Nokia is too stupid to design a decent keyboard :/17:03
technomikeits a VOIP server right? :S why would you need that on a phone. running a pbx server from phone...17:03
technomikewhat :S17:04
lcukDocScrutinizer, wouldnt that cause problems with pressing the touchscreen and or real keys?17:04
luke-jrtechnomike: maybe someone wants voicemail on their phone?17:04
DocScrutinizertchan: it's nonsense basically, for those too daft to set up their VoIP clients correctly :-P17:04
TermanaKnight|HW, I don't think your very appreciative of my answer17:04
SpeedEviltechnomike: For example, you might want to not answer calls directly, but have them go to an answerphone on your phone.17:04
TermanaAre you disrespecting me?17:04
Termana:P17:04
DocScrutinizertechnomike: ^^^17:04
luke-jrtechnomike: maybe a hack for IAX2 support17:04
DocScrutinizersorry tchan17:04
technomikeAhhhhhhhhhh ! Thanks. Understand now. :D17:04
SpeedEviltechnomike: Or have that happen for only annoying people in your contacts list.17:05
technomikeMight try that out then17:05
TermanaDocScrutinizer, hmm, that seems cheaper than anything you said :P17:05
DocScrutinizerlcuk: for ts I'd say *IF* it does then just lock screen :-D17:05
luke-jrAsterisk includes a sound clip of monkeys. Maybe it's useful for ringtones.17:05
DocScrutinizerfor kbd I don't think it's a real problem17:05
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lcukDocScrutinizer, theres many instances where holding keyboard and getting extra characters causes problems17:07
Knight|HW^ the | thingy?Yeah its not a real problem,but,Its sometime a pain while doing some commands on terminal and Debian,like using grep and...17:07
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: keys won't get pressed by the fixture17:07
eichihello, are there many difference, if i write an QT App c++ for linux x86 or maemo 4 or maemo 5 or meego etc?17:08
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DocScrutinizerlcuk: also you can support the phone on the key-free zones at right and left end17:08
eichibecause i want to write one, which works on all of them17:08
DocScrutinizerlcuk: ...which btw you can do for ts as well17:08
lcukDocScrutinizer, sure, if it works great, just looks like it would need to press17:08
lcukeichi, *technically* qt should work everywhere if you stick to simple baseline things17:09
lcukhowever once you go beyond that you may have compatability issues17:09
lcukand each place you need it may still need specific defines and stuff - just like any cross platformy bits17:09
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DocScrutinizerTermana: I can get such fixture for you and do the needed reworks17:10
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TermanaDocScrutinizer, as long as I don't highlight you when your sleeping again, at least. :P17:10
eichiokay, but its nothing i have to on the very first of beginning to write. means i can make this things later like17:10
DocScrutinizernvm17:10
DocScrutinizerj/k17:10
eichimore like "porting to mobile devices" then17:11
DocScrutinizereichi: yep17:11
TermanaDocScrutinizer, quick pm?17:11
DocScrutinizergo ahead17:12
lcukeichi, it depends on what qt features you think you need17:12
DocScrutinizereichi: lcuk: for a hello world it doesn't matter17:13
DocScrutinizerfor special hildonization it does17:13
luke-jreichi: Maemo 4… is very dead now17:14
eichiDocScrutinizer i need kalender widget style sql and a mapwidget17:14
lcukluke-jr, but it has qt on it and lots of devices exist and other apps work on it17:14
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eichiluke-jr: yeah, but the only thing works on my n800 usable17:14
luke-jrlcuk: it does?17:14
lcukand my 810 would have even more use if the damn mapping license server would let me BUY a license17:14
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luke-jreichi: I run Gentoo17:14
eichiluke-jr: which desktop?17:15
lcukluke-jr, sure, the device is alive17:15
DocScrutinizeryou'll see what it needs for special care on N900 as soon as you try it on the device. The base shouldn't hold any completely wrong bits though, just missing a few17:15
luke-jreichi: KDE17:15
luke-jrbut really usually CLI17:15
luke-jrjust KDE for web and such17:16
eichii dont like gentoo, but maybe i try archlinux on n80017:16
eichiwould be an idea17:16
luke-jrdidn't know they had a port17:16
eichigentoo has?17:17
luke-jrhttp://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x017:17
DocScrutinizerhmm, qt on maemo4 aka diablo? /me wonders...17:17
luke-jrof course, porting Gentoo is trivial17:17
lcukyes DocScrutinizer17:17
JucatoQt 4.517:17
DocScrutinizerk17:17
lcukperfectly feasible to allow apps to be written and used17:18
DocScrutinizerso prolly you had to do a considerable effort to backport qt4.6|7 programs17:18
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lcukyes but when writing for compatability, you work with minimal working set to get effect required17:20
CasTTeLLohello17:21
lcukhello CasTTeLLo \o17:21
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CasTTeLLo:)17:22
lcukgermany 1:0 Nigeria  womans U20 world cup final17:22
lcuk65 minutes played :)17:22
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crashanddiedo they all look like rooney?17:32
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alteregoWell, it's done.17:33
alteregoI've managed to take my laptop apart17:33
alteregoPutting it back together will be exciting. And I've got a blister from undoing all the absurdly tight screws :(17:34
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FireStorm|oh for ur records u need to use the screen to enter in pass code on boot up via av cable17:35
FireStorm|oh for ur records u need to use the screen to enter in pass code on boot up via av cable17:35
lcukcrashanddie, no its quite reasonable17:35
TermanaPlease don't repeat yourself for no reason17:35
FireStorm|i didn't mean to as i disconnected :p17:36
FireStorm|sent oen before n one on connect17:36
FireStorm|so :p17:36
FireStorm|but it's not bad as u can guess where buttons are based on what u can see on the screen17:36
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crashanddielcuk: somehow, I can't help but think of the nigerian players trying to convince the german players that they're the daughter of rich army generals.17:37
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TermanaStrange, I wonder why my n900 just timed out, but I didn't (since I'm connected through it) :P17:37
lcukits a football game crashanddie17:37
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mhmhanyone tried to get silverlight streaming to work?17:39
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DocScrutinizerFireStorm|: if lock password isn't possible to enter via hw kbd then that's definitely a bug. On a helping sidenote you probably can see from screen which key you pressed on touch sensor, as the key should highlight, and it is actually entered on releasing the touch, so you should be able to touch on arbitrary position, then slide your finger to highlight the correct key before release17:41
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DocScrutinizers/from screen/from TV17:41
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DocScrutinizerFireStorm|: do a decent backup (via backup utility) to the SD card. For the contacts you might want to export as vcards (or csv), also to the sd card17:44
FireStorm|DocScrutinizer yer i done it that way17:44
FireStorm|but just saying u can't use the keyboard on the pass code has to eb touch screen17:45
FireStorm|and yes i worked out where buttons where and tapped it in17:45
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FireStorm|but if touch screen fails then ur in trouble17:45
DocScrutinizeryes, and that's definitley a bug17:45
DocScrutinizerI never noticed as I don't use lock password17:46
FireStorm|i do as i can't trust people at work17:46
FireStorm|:)17:46
FireStorm|who do i report bugs to then?17:47
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timeless_mbpbugs.maemo.org ?17:48
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felipecis anyone around maintaining mplayer, or anything using FFmpeg?17:50
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alteregoI wonder what is happening to my servers internet connection to cause these reconnects ....17:52
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lcukGermany just won U20 womans World Cup 2:0 against Nigeria17:55
FireStorm|times out17:55
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FireStorm|so drops connection17:55
FireStorm|google the error i'm sure there is a router change to fix it17:55
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alteregoNo, the connection issue is in a datacentre in the US17:57
alteregoNothing to do with my internet connection. It's the connection of the server I remotely log into which I keep IRSSI running in a screen session17:57
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FireStorm|oh lol17:59
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alteregoThink I'll spend this afternoon writing a little toy app18:10
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trumeeanybody know which package provides the telepathy sofia sip libraries on N900?18:12
alteregoI saw an app similar on Android, thought it'd be a neat toy :)18:12
trumeeThis page is only for maemo4 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/18:12
timeless_mbptrumee: dpkg -l is your friend?18:13
timeless_mbpthe packages are part of the platform...18:13
timeless_mbpdpkg -S also works...18:14
trumeetimeless_mbp: i am still struggling with poor sip performance on N900 :(18:14
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timeless_mbpi'm struggling w/ having to do some technical writing18:15
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ShadowJKouch, texrat had his USB port separate a second time..18:48
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lcukhe should stop swinging it by its lead then18:50
alteregoYeah, I've still had no issue with my USB port.18:52
alteregoMakes me wonder how these people are treating theirs, I plug-unplug mine probably at the very least 10 times a day, and anything up to 30 I would have thought18:52
lcukthe only time i got concerned really was when i wanted to disable alarm and pulled whilst plugged in to take it back to bed18:52
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lcukalterego, i have 1 usb lead and 3 devices on regular cycle between it18:53
alteregoHeh18:53
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alterego3 devices, you're so greedy :P18:53
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lcukalterego, not really i have uses for them18:54
* lcuk could do with more really18:54
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alteregoHeh18:54
lcukbut this works for testing18:54
alteregoI could do with more (more than one)18:54
alteregoUnfortunately I have to make do with what I have :P18:54
alteregoAnd backup lots ..18:54
lcukyeah18:54
lcuk cant do too much on the others apart from cycle through test builds and comparative stuff18:55
alteregoI'm working on a toy app at the moment, I saw on an Android phone the other day. It's a programmable scrolling LED display toy app18:56
lcuki would really like to see inductive charging plates18:56
alteregoYou configure a message and it shows on the screen a LED style display with the message.18:56
alteregoKind of pointless, but I kind of felt an itch to write it :D18:56
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lcuksomeone had one designed using liqbase as the editor18:58
* lcuk digs through memory18:58
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alteregoWell, the next step, with USB host mode or RS232 would be to actually program a real one.18:59
lcukyeah its practical18:59
alteregoBut as a toy app in the style of andoid and iphone's I thought it was quite fun.18:59
lcuki think the one they wanted would attach onto bike spokes18:59
alteregoHeh18:59
alteregoOh, yeah, those are cool.18:59
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alteregoI wonder if I could use the accel for doing something similar ..19:00
eichiluke-jr: what about installing software with gentoo on n800? i used gentoo 3 years and i never liked the time i have to wait on compiling. that was a intel x86 with nearly 3ghz. i start crying if i thing about the time i have to wait in a 400mhz arm. how long did you install kde? 2 weeks?19:00
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lcukalterego, hmm messages are easy19:01
lcuki have a nametag doofer here19:01
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alteregoI know it's easy ..19:02
lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.pendant.20091225_001.jpg19:02
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lcukhung round neck on a lanyard it always stays upright19:03
alteregoI don't think you quite understand what I mean.19:03
alteregoUsing the accel to test for motion to display a 2D led pattern.19:03
alteregoSorry, 1D led patter.19:03
alteregoThat creates a 2D led pattern as you move it from left to right.19:03
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lcukahh i know what you mean then19:04
lcukyou would have lotsa lag19:04
lcuki keep spinning n900 round on my desk19:04
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keriothat requires a constant spin19:04
alteregoAnd what I'm doing now, is basically dividing the N900 display into a grid of circles, each circle is a LED either on or off.19:04
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alteregoThen I'm writing a LED driver for character data that displays letters on the grid, then I make those letters scroll across the grid, like a scrolling LED display :)19:05
alteregoIt's just a pointless amusement/tiy.19:05
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alterego~toy19:05
lcuk+119:05
infoboti guess toy is usually made of plastic19:05
* lcuk nods19:05
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lcukalterego, would you dare to attach n900 itself to the wheel of your bike though?19:06
alteregolcuk: hah, no :)19:07
lcukit would be better using a stripe of christmas tree lights along a spoke19:07
alteregoI was thinking more hand-held ;)19:07
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alteregolcuk: yeah, I saw a clock that operated similar, was basically like a metronome with leds on it.19:07
lcukyeah19:07
alteregoShowed the time as it moved.19:07
alteregoSo you don't think the accel data would be good enough to detect your motion as you wave it back and forth?19:10
alteregoIm suppose you could just make it based on time.19:10
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lcukalterego, it would be feasible but absolutel location like that is a difficult problem ;)19:11
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alteregoHrm, yeah19:12
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alteregoNot sure that matters so much as displaying your updated images as you progress from stop, speed up, slow down, stop and then backward repeat.19:13
lcukalterego, try it19:13
lcukit should be feasible19:14
alteregoI might just do that.19:14
lcukand if you are good and get a rythm going19:14
alteregoWhen I've finished this project :P19:14
lcukyou could lock on more19:14
alteregoWell, my LED display widget is done.19:16
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alteregoGonna make it nice and customizable.19:16
alteregoThen I'll work on the character generator.19:16
alteregoAfter I've had a shower, bbiab :)19:16
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Pforcedoes anyone know if PyQt4 for maemo is intended to be so that the qmainloop is not running when nothing is being done in the ui19:18
timeless_mbp?19:18
timeless_mbpyou need an eventloop19:18
Pforcethis feels crazy, but my qtimer is calling its timeout function only when i move the mouse on scratchbox19:18
timeless_mbpw/o one, your app is supposed to die19:18
Pforcewell qapp is the has a event loop, thats why we use the framework19:19
Pforcebut my qtimers are not working as on other platforms19:19
Pforcei was wondering if this is some kind of battery saving shit19:19
timeless_mbpheh19:20
timeless_mbptimer behavior has been special in our experience19:20
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timeless_mbpeven in gtk19:20
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Pforceand to be spesific, im on pyqt4 in py 2.519:20
Pforcei was wondering why my file writing threads were taking so long19:21
Pforceim polling Thread.join() with in the qtimer timeout function19:21
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Pforcefor all my threads19:21
Pforceand start the next worker thread when the other is completed19:21
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Pforceeven the threads seem to have issues running without me moving my mouse like a maniac19:21
Pforceman, this is a big setback19:23
Pforcei need my app.exec_() but i also need constant main loop19:23
Pforcei subclassed QApplication.event() and there comes events very rarely19:23
Pforcewhich is odd19:24
Pforceill try installing a event filder19:24
Pforcefilter19:24
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GNU\caust1cyay, my n900 works again :)19:25
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alteregoReally need to get a DVI to HDMI converter19:34
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alteregoAnd a new SATA cable ..19:35
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Pforceok got it19:49
Pforceg mainloop was the one hanging19:49
Pforcenot qtimers or the main loop19:49
DocScrutinizerhehe19:49
Pforceit wont budge before you move mouse or something happens in the ui19:50
Pforceweird19:50
alteregoSounds like you're running it in some silly UI event listener.19:50
Pforcehmm i wonder if i need that q mainloop at all19:50
Pforceno its not19:50
Pforcei thought i need it for dbus and conic stuff19:50
DocScrutinizermainloop in a mainloop?19:50
Pforcewell, i do iterations to the gmainloop19:51
Pforcebut i suppose i dont need it at all, now that i think of it19:51
* alterego sighs19:51
* DocScrutinizer ponders idly why it's called MAINloop :-P19:52
alteregoHah19:52
Pforceheh19:52
Pforcegood thing i looked into this :D19:52
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DocScrutinizerthis is your MAIN mainloop, though shalt not have other loops besides mainloop19:53
alteregoI could of sworn I remember reading something similar in the programming 10 commandments or something19:54
DocScrutinizerthou*19:55
timeless_mbpPforce:  yeah, the gmainloop sucks :19:55
timeless_mbp:)19:55
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timeless_mbpthat's what was breaking gecko at times19:56
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timeless_mbploads of fun19:56
Pforceright, i just thought i need it on the side with context iterations http://pastebin.com/y7z0GXsv19:56
Pforceas it was in the examples, but it was there just to make the example run :>19:56
* DocScrutinizer mubles "will it learn assembler?! prior to messing with OO! will it now?!"19:56
Pforceill still have to test on the device if it runs without, i cant see dbus stuff on the scratchbox emu19:57
PforceDocScrutinizer: you can have multiple mainloops :P sometimes its needed19:57
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DocScrutinizeryou can have one wait though19:58
Pforcelike in our work project we run qt in the client and gmainloop in a qthread19:58
DocScrutinizerONLY one wait19:58
Pforcefor gstreamer19:58
DocScrutinizerit's the central wait that listens to ALL signals causing the process(es) to resume from dispatcher sleep state19:59
DocScrutinizerif you manage two mainloops will share that central wait() then you're fine19:59
DocScrutinizeryes yes, event driven programming isn't for kids :-D20:01
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bleadermmm my SYM key doesn't seem to work anymore, is there any obvious reason for this to happen that I may not be aware of ?20:14
bleader(physical key seems to be ok as ctrl is working fine)20:15
bleaderbut on screen keyboard doesn't appeapr anymore20:15
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timeless_mbpdefine doesn't work20:25
timeless_mbpif you mean 'doesn't bring on the osk overlay'20:25
timeless_mbpdid you install hebrew?20:25
timeless_mbpor, does blue-EUR give you PIPE?20:25
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alteregoNow I need to come up with a clever way of converting characters into my LED patterns ..20:32
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SpeedEvilI suggest a diode ROM20:35
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alteregoEven though I'm quite distraught my laptop is in bits because I spilled water over it. I kind of like hacking on the big screen of my workstation :)20:38
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ShadowJKugh, this sh script I wrote on the commandline on a single line20:45
ShadowJKmakes absolutely no sense now that I a week later try to split it into multiple lines and add indentation20:46
SpeedEvil:)20:46
alteregoHeh20:46
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luke-jreichi: no patience? a complete rebuild (required to upgrade GCC 4.3 to 4.4) has taken me about 2 weeks, with a lot of idle "waiting on user because something broke" time20:46
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ShadowJKIt's like 30 lines when I try to indent it sanely, and it stops making sense20:47
* ShadowJK wrote this on N900 line-editing20:47
alteregoNiiiiice ...20:47
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ShadowJKhttp://pastebin.com/sqkmiGPi this is a small part, anyone wanna split it and indent?20:49
ShadowJK:)20:49
* ShadowJK has lots so many masterpieces of similar quality when system has unexpectedly rebooted and ~/.history no longer had it20:49
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alteregoWow that looks awful :P20:50
ShadowJK:D20:50
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ShadowJKhttp://pastebin.com/wcAL4deh hm, I could obviously do with a function here.. how do they work again..20:51
alteregofunctionname() { .... }20:52
ShadowJKThis is part of a powersave script on my server where my IRC client is, I block IRC to my N900 and N810 for 60 seconds with iptables, then I unblock it and wait until all queued up data has been transmitted, and then block again20:52
ShadowJKwhere my irc client / bouncer is..20:52
alteregoI just use screen ...20:53
ShadowJKlol20:53
SpeedEvilShadowJK: Oooh - neat - more or less what I suggested.20:53
SpeedEvilShadowJK: does it queue the packets, or simply block?20:53
ShadowJKdunno how to queue20:55
ShadowJKI just iptables -J DROP20:55
ShadowJK-j*20:55
luke-jrinefficent TCP queuing :p20:55
ShadowJKSo it gets queued by the TCP stack, which eventually retries it after I unblock.. that pastebin is the loop that looks at netstat -to output and counts how many bytes have still not been transmitted successfully20:56
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* ShadowJK finds he gets more actually done in sh because he doesn't know how to do anything properly and just writes out crap until it works20:58
luke-jrconsider a suspendable screen ;)20:58
* ShadowJK has xchat on N900 :P20:58
ShadowJKand screen with irssi and irssi-proxy on server20:58
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luke-jrI mean have the N900 automatically close your connections when idle20:58
luke-jrand reconnect to the screen when you activate it20:58
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luke-jra kind of network-screen20:59
ShadowJKbah humbug :P20:59
luke-jradd a smart X11 proxy for X11 suspending too ;)20:59
ShadowJKMaybe with another proxy that would buffer chat hwen disconnect and then transmit it all when I connect21:00
luke-jr21:00
ShadowJKI tried that ages ago on desktop, and xchat was too friggin slow to render the burst of chat on connect :)21:00
luke-jrthat's the "screen" part of it21:00
luke-jrI suppose you could do the same w/ Quassel-protocol21:00
zashput your ssh sessions in a loop and kill them on suspend21:03
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alteregoOh sweet, this should work F*cking nicely :D21:06
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* SpeedEvil needs to get to writing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy21:10
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harbaumHi21:11
Stskeepslo till21:13
KhertanHi !21:13
harbaumi am still struggling with x11vnc21:13
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Khertanlbt, hello is it something normal on community obs : dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown information field 'Maemo-Display-Name' in input data in package's section of control info file21:14
Khertan?21:14
harbaumanyone ever managed to get past the clock setup screen on the n900 with this?21:14
harbaumi spilled my n900 with latte macchiato (lots of sugar), the display cable was stuck and broke21:14
Stskeepsharbaum: did you get a display showing?21:15
harbaumso now i have a keyboard compartment that still sort of works and i can ssh into it21:15
Stskeeps(in x11vnc)21:15
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Stskeepsjust knowing how far you are21:15
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harbaumStskeeps: vnc gives me a screen that's 800 pixels wide and ~10 pixels high ... very odd21:15
Stskeepsharbaum: hmm :P21:15
harbaumnow i am trying to get some screen on tv out, but that also doesn't seem to work21:16
alteregoOkay, I thought this would be easy ..21:16
alteregoI can draw shapes, but I can't seem to draw text ...21:16
Stskeepsharbaum: rsync -aHx / and your mmc and such to a microsd, best way to backup and eventually restore..21:16
harbaumStskeeps: i already tar'ed /home/user. So the "real" backup is not that necessary21:17
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mmarc__1hey, guys, maybe some of you tried to compile a foreign toolchain for scratchbox using scratchbox's i486 toolchain? In toolchaincompiled this way I've got a SIGSEGV in /lib/ld-linux.so.2, and that's surpricing. Are there any common reasons for that, do you know?21:20
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harbaumhmm, just a blank screen on tvout. also the screen lock switch was so stuck i could barely move it ... sugar ...21:22
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SpeedEvilharbaum: I'd recommend dissasembling and reassembling21:25
SpeedEvilharbaum: you will - absolutely certainly - be doing further damage by having it powered on.21:25
harbaumSpeedEvil: The screen cable is broken, so there's no reason to be careful21:25
SpeedEvilwell - if you want it to work as it is doing now.21:26
harbaumSpeedEvil: I am doing this to get a backup.21:26
harbaumIt should be dry by now, so i don't thing any more harm will be done21:27
harbaumThe major question is: Get a new n900 or wait for a meego handset21:28
SpeedEvilah21:28
Venemoharbaum: depends on whether you trust in an N900-compatible MeeGo release or not21:28
SpeedEvilharbaum: it never dries.21:28
SpeedEvilharbaum: that is - sugary substances never dry enough in most climates to not be corrosive.21:29
SpeedEvilIt will always stay slightly damp.21:29
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SpeedEvilharbaum: do you have ssh enabled?21:29
harbaumSpeedEvil: The device has been soaked. There's not much further damage to be done. And buying a replacement screen won't even guarantee me a working device21:30
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harbaumSpeedEvil: Sure, i already tar and copied the data21:30
SpeedEvilah.21:32
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SpeedEvilI'd still dissasemble and wash, if it was mine.21:33
SpeedEvilAre you sure the cable has sheared?21:33
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kerioi'd soak it in pure h2o21:39
kerioi mean, H₂O21:40
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kerio(unicode ♡)21:41
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alteregoSweet, my LED display widget, is now driven by a character driver which handles scrolling and can use any font available :D21:41
harbaumSpeedEvil: Yes, the display cable is broken, halfway through21:43
alteregoOh, this works very nicely indeed :D21:43
alteregoNow to write the configuration controls.21:43
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tank-manalterego, you made a kernel module to turn on/off the led?21:46
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alteregoNo, it's an on screen emulation21:56
alteregoJust a toy app21:56
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DocScrutinizeranyway, seems harbaum's device needs display flex cable assembly swap, just like mine did. Should be feasible for maybe 100 bucks22:06
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DocScrutinizerThough on mine I'm sure it was this unequaled stupid design of connector on flex cable on juper piggyback flex cable that broke. I even wonder how it can work at all22:07
DocScrutinizerjumper22:08
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DocScrutinizerno matter what, if display flex cable is broken, TV out is dead too. Seems SoC video circuitry somehow needs signals *from' LCD, to work correctly22:09
harbaumDocScrutinizer: Ah, ok, that explains why i don't see anything22:09
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ShadowJKbah, my operator has removed my area from the generic "fubar" area, but I still don't get 3g like before the storms :/22:10
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: wtf?22:10
ShadowJKThey have a live map with known current faults on their network22:11
ShadowJKbut after the storms there was so many places without power or wrecked that they just added a big generic "lots of fubar in this area" instead22:11
harbaumDocScrutinizer: In fact tv-out generates a valid signal. Just without contents22:12
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DocScrutinizerharbaum: I recommend to disassemble the device according to RX51_SM_L1_2.pdf, and rinse the housing, and if due also the main PCB with demineralized water. Then dry thoroughly22:13
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DocScrutinizerfor at least 7 days, on maybe 50..60°C22:13
DocScrutinizerthen reassemble, and get repair (display FPC swap) on a Nokia service center22:15
DocScrutinizerask for the broken FPC! :-)22:15
marginalManlooking through a guide on overclocking the n900, ideal settings are set to a min of 500, max of 85022:16
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DocScrutinizer*might* come handy, if ever you ruin front cam, ALS, or indicator LED22:16
marginalManwhen setting it to the lv profile it suggests 250 85022:16
DocScrutinizermarginalMan: NO!22:16
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marginalManno?22:17
DocScrutinizerthat's all maximum bullshit22:17
keriomarginalMan: the right settings are 250 60022:17
kerioLIKE NOKIA SAYS22:17
DocScrutinizerspread by noobs that don't have any clue22:17
keriomin of 500? the FUCK22:17
BCMMno! don't listen to nokia! there is a conspiracy to make your devices run in a needlessly slow and not-on-fire way!22:17
DocScrutinizerlv profile is completely nonsense22:17
marginalManhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=595582&postcount=77422:18
marginalManeasy guys...22:18
DocScrutinizerand any clock >600MHz will wear out your CPU at a rate of maybe 10% per week, maybe faster22:18
marginalManwow22:18
marginalManok... so wht ure saying is stay away from oc22:19
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keriomarginalMan: do you *need* oc?22:19
DocScrutinizerI.E run your device on CPU locked to 800 and odds are it starts segfaulting like mad, after several weeks22:19
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ShadowJKthe "stutter" "jitter" many people experience isn't improved by OC anyway ;)22:19
DocScrutinizeryes, stay away from OC if you don't EXACTLY understand what it's all about22:20
crashanddieTruth is, most people don't need the OC, and just do it for the e-peen, and the psychological effect "oooh it's soooooooo much faster"22:20
marginalMantried the 850 setting... -it does make it way smoother, more responsive, but if its gonna wear it out... -am sure i can do without it22:20
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keriohey, if you have enough spare cash to buy a new n900 or maybe another phone when yours fucks up, do it22:21
marginalManheh, -i'll pass, thanks22:21
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keriowe're just insisting on the fact that it's not safe22:21
kerioit can never be safe22:21
DocScrutinizermarginalMan: It's like messing with RPM limiter in engine of your car, so you can go to 8000 or 10000RPM to drive a little faster22:22
kerioapart from that, do whatever you like, i guess22:22
DocScrutinizermotor will explode after a while22:22
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kerio~nuke engine22:22
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at engine ... B☢☢M!22:22
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: except that on an engine, you can change parts yourself relatively easily22:22
BCMMyou mean i can't upgrade the CPU on my n900?22:22
kerionot if they fuse togheter22:23
DocScrutinizereven if you go down to sane limits after a while, motor has taken damage on your running it at high RPM22:23
crashanddiekerio: I've pushed quite a few engines to the max, never seen that happen.22:23
marginalManfigured as much, -but if tht explosion happens after 3 years... -i'd hav said ok, -10% a week is a lil too steep22:23
BCMMdo ARMs cook the same way as x86 and ppc cores i've cooked?22:23
keriomarginalMan: "-10%/week" is a number straight from DocScrutinizer's ass, afaik22:23
BCMMi.e. just start getting the maths wrong after a bit22:23
BCMMsuch that everything crashes?22:23
DocScrutinizerkerio: sure it is22:24
marginalManhaHA22:24
DocScrutinizerbut my ass has GOOD numbers22:24
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DocScrutinizerand those OC fanboys have NO numbers22:24
BCMMvarious people's ideas of safe/ideal overclock speeds are similarly pulled from various asses22:24
DocScrutinizer~joerg22:24
infobotsomebody said joerg was a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer22:24
marginalManok... -i loaded up enhanced linux kernel for power users to get this going... -havnt changed the default -which it reverts to on reboot...22:25
marginalManis this default the nokia default?22:25
marginalManor should i uninstall?22:25
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DocScrutinizerI think you're ok with power kernel's boot default22:26
DocScrutinizerthough power kernel is notorious to cause other little nasty inconveniences every now and then22:26
marginalMan# kernel-config show: min-125 max-600 avoid-12522:27
DocScrutinizer125 is unstable22:27
DocScrutinizer600 already is "official OC"22:28
marginalManthts^ wht the default shows...22:28
marginalMancant find no flaw at all with the device... -hardware/os -it is awesome22:29
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marginalManbut could do with a lil more processing power22:29
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: wait, Nokia advertises an OC value?22:30
DocScrutinizerBCMM: I'd always prefer to trust in numbers from my ass, than in numbers or WFM cheers from OC fanboys that have so totally no clue at all they even think OC can be made safe by cooling the device or reducing core voltage22:30
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DocScrutinizerluke-jr: sure, 600 is OC for the OMAP35xx we got in N900. As in "expected lifetime for 600: 1000h"22:32
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DocScrutinizerthe chip is rated for a continuous max clock of 50022:32
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toggles_w45 days?22:32
luke-jr41 days :|22:32
DocScrutinizermaybe 500022:33
luke-jr208 days?22:33
luke-jrstill under a year22:33
DocScrutinizerhad to check back with the specs-nonavailable22:33
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toggles_wdamn' i'm going to go through a few n900's waiting for meego then22:33
luke-jrthat means I'm going to have to plan an upgrade before 2012 ☹22:34
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: yep, So you don't want to lock your CPU clock to 600 for any extended period of days/weeks for no good reason. Except if you planned to discard the device after finishing that important task22:34
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: *ahem* Gentoo22:34
toggles_w-funrollloops needs 600 for weeks at a time22:35
TrewasDocScrutinizer: by the way what causes OC to harm the device even if voltage is lowered and cooling improved? looking at the electromigration wikipedia page (which of course could be wrong...) it appears that the main factor is current density which if I understand correctly should increase linearly with overclocking and decrease with lower voltage22:35
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DocScrutinizerand nota bene that's always time the cpu is *actually clocked* at 600, not the time it's enabled to 1000 and in fact idling @ 250 or zeroclock22:36
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DocScrutinizerTrewas: SmartReflex(R) implements a micro regulator in CPU for virtually every gate. So lowering Vcore just reduces the power dissipated by those micro regulators, but doesn't change anything for the actual gate voltage22:38
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DocScrutinizercheck TI doc download pages for whitepapers about SmartReflex technology22:39
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TrewasDocScrutinizer: ok, but should increasing the current density by few tens of percents decrease the lifetime of the so drastically? or is the some heavily non-linear factor in play22:39
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: does the 5000 hour counter reset after it idles? :P22:40
DocScrutinizerthere's a non-linearity factor like on gas discharge lamps or Zeners, above a certain threshold it goes thru the roof22:40
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luke-jrI'd go set my N900 to max 500 MHz, but it's already laggy enough at 600 :/22:42
DocScrutinizerTrewas: you need a certain minimum energy of electrons to strike a metal atom out of crystal22:42
luke-jrand that's just with Maemo22:42
DocScrutinizeronce you cross that limit it goes zooom22:42
luke-jrwhy did Nokia use these slow procs rather than the 1.5 GHz Snapdragons?22:42
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toggles_wdev time?22:43
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ShadowJKI didn't think snapdragons came in 1.5GHz back then? :)22:43
SpeedEvilthe n900 was developed most of a year ago22:43
DocScrutinizer2 years I'd say22:43
TrewasDocScrutinizer: makes sense, still somewhat surprising to me if the designs are made so close to the limit22:44
SpeedEvilpossibly, yes.22:44
luke-jrShadowJK: I was drooling over them back then…22:44
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SpeedEvilTrewas: That's the point - you don't know if they are.22:44
DocScrutinizerbut TI knows22:44
SpeedEvilTrewas: There are many possibilities. From 100% of CPUs will fail after 10-15000 hours at 850MHz.22:44
luke-jrTrewas: think of it as TI shipping them OC'd :P22:45
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SpeedEvilTrewas: To all CPUs will work fine 'forever' - say 100000 hours - at whatever speed they can stably overclock to.22:45
ShadowJKI still haven't seen any benchmarks of snapdragon vs A8 :(22:45
* luke-jr notes good old i386 CPUs still work today22:45
DocScrutinizerI think OMAP35xx has 100.000 @ 50022:45
SpeedEvilTI may know that the 650MHz part is in fact stable to 800MHz, or they may not simply throw rejects + untested into the 650MHz bin22:46
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toggles_wluke-jr: oc'd to 600?22:47
luke-jrtoggles_w: or whatever22:47
toggles_w;-)22:48
DocScrutinizerTI doesn't clock the OMAP35xx, OEMs do. TI just recommends/suggests22:48
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: except when TI is selling by speed?\22:48
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DocScrutinizerand of course TI has two interests: selling chips with brilliant numbers (like clock=1GHz) but also not to pay billions of dollars for device swap programs their customers have to do, because TI promised a certain lifespan @ clockspeed they couldn't deliver22:50
DocScrutinizerso TI does decent tests on what their chips can do for which timespan, before a certain percentage fails, and that's what their deals with Nokia are based on22:52
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marginalManits the same proc tht is in the last gen iphone?22:52
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DocScrutinizernow a few blockhead OC nitwits come and say "hey but when I do this or that, my device runs stable @ foo ExaHz" - pfrrrrrrrt22:53
luke-jrwhoa Exahz22:53
luke-jrI'll risk my device for that22:53
luke-jr:P22:54
DocScrutinizerTI says "100.000h@500, 5000h@600, 500h@750" or somesuch. Why should anybody know better how to get the best of performance out of TI SoC than TI does?22:55
DocScrutinizerok, topic finished22:56
* DocScrutinizer shouting for nurse to get his valium IV injection22:57
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marginalManbreathe buddy... breathe...22:57
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luke-jrwait a second22:59
luke-jrwas s3c6410 always 800 MHz⁇22:59
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: the datasheet of course is not a performance optimising tool. It's part of marketing.23:01
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DocScrutinizersure23:03
SpeedEvilSo it may be that all parts can do forever @60023:03
DocScrutinizeron a certain percentage of chips yes23:03
SpeedEvilOr even all of them23:04
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DocScrutinizerunlikely, as TI would have rated it 600 then23:04
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luke-jrit may be that the lucky N900 can do forever @ 60023:04
DocScrutinizeryou bet they got the dudes that know their math, to add a few 0/00 on top of the results of their tests, for error23:05
DocScrutinizerand they got the procedures to get decent test results giving a error margin of 0/00 only23:06
DocScrutinizerTI didn't start chip business last year23:06
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: they would have rated it at 600, if they did not think that they can sell the 850MHz parts at a markup.23:07
SpeedEvilTheoretically.23:07
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DocScrutinizerTHEORETICALLY possible. See what Kingston does with SanDisk flash chips23:08
DocScrutinizerSanDisk sells 32GB uSD class2, Kingston sells class423:08
DocScrutinizerthough Kingston gets their chips from SanDisk23:08
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DocScrutinizernow you know why I don't buy Kingston :-P23:09
DocScrutinizer~omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!23:10
infobotDocScrutinizer: okay23:10
luke-jrjust because *some* chips work at Class4/850MHz fine doesn't mean they *all* do23:10
luke-jrif they do testing to sort them, they sell the better ones at a premium23:10
DocScrutinizerdo you think SanDisk is too stupid to do decent tests on their own chips, while some reseller knows how to? OR SanDisk would sell premium to a lowcost reseller while using second grade on own brand23:12
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DocScrutinizerit's just SanDisk IO error - WTF??? Kingston IO error - meh, what had I expected, get another one23:14
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tremnite all, sweet dreams23:19
DocScrutinizerof course Kingston is using another flash controller chip in their SD than SanDisk does - well maybe maybe not. But then how would Kingston know how to build a controller that gets performance out of SanDisk NAND that SanDisk themselves doesn't know how to achieve?23:19
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nox-moin23:21
DocScrutinizermoinmoin23:21
nox-moin DocScrutinizer23:21
nox-are any bugs known wrt sending textmessages?  i wanted to send someone my new number and only the 4th or so textmessage went thru...23:22
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Venemohi everyone23:23
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: so it's perfectly possible TI is selling very same chip from very same waver to another OEM rated @600, just telling them "Don't advertise it's a TI chip, and don't expect your device to live longer than 1 year"23:23
Venemois this article still valid: http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/13/install-the-nokia-n900-maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora/ ?23:23
Venemoit suggests some modifications to the .py installer of the Maemo SDK, but it is quite dated23:24
DocScrutinizernox-: nope, nothing known23:24
nox-hm23:25
DocScrutinizernox-: go to menu of conversations, enable "receive delivery reports"23:26
nox-ah good idea23:26
DocScrutinizerSMS is neither realtime nor guaranteed to deliver at all23:28
DocScrutinizerocasional delays or even fails are rather common23:28
nox-hm where exactly is that entry?23:28
DocScrutinizerconversations, menu, settings23:29
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nox-ah, found it, thx23:29
DocScrutinizersettings being 5th of 5. "delivery reports" 1st of 223:30
nox-yep23:30
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DocScrutinizerdunno how maemo rtcom / telepathy(?) handles a stack of SMS that weren't able to send due to conectivity loss23:31
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DocScrutinizermight pile up and get sent an hour later, or whatever23:32
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nox-well at least my 3g link seems to be pretty good according to the little display at the top...23:32
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* SpeedEvil has been streaming video for an hour or so a night over 3G.23:33
nox-(its funny btw, just the day i got the sim i read in the local paper we now finally got 3g coverage too :)23:33
DocScrutinizermhm, then it's probably the SMSCC that just dropped them, also the most usual case23:33
SpeedEvilWorks OK.23:33
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DocScrutinizernox-: \o/23:34
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pupbuntuthis n900 hotspot isn working with any computer or cellfone i use23:42
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lbtKhertan: hey... back now23:43
lbtdid you get sorted?23:43
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kerioi wanna buy a batch of old, cheap PIIIs and overclock them into oblivion23:49
kerio8GHz or something23:49
kerioone cpu/month is not that much if that cpu costs 10€23:49
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luke-jrkerio: who said it would last a month?23:54
luke-jrin case you didn't notice, it scales more logarithmic than linear23:55
DocScrutinizerdoes N900 MWI for voicebox?23:55
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luke-jrkerio: also, in the meantime, it will miscalculate/malfunction ☺23:56
luke-jrkerio: why not get 8x 1 GHz P3s and leave them at normal speed? :P23:56
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DocScrutinizer(of GSM, or - while thinking about it - maybe also for SIP)23:56
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