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| n900-dk | How come this value X has to larger than 10 to hear the sound from the speakers? : | 00:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | somebody set +m, or what? | 00:11 |
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| b-man | hmm | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mmh | 00:14 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 00:19 |
| luke-jr | came with some weird Finnish plug :P | 00:19 |
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| luke-jr | guess no car charging for me :p | 00:20 |
| asj_ | your car doesn't have usb? how so last decade | 00:20 |
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| luke-jr | asj_: 2001 | 00:20 |
| asj_ | luke-jr: time to upgrade ;) | 00:21 |
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| luke-jr | asj_: not until 2011 at least | 00:21 |
| luke-jr | my next upgrade is probably a 15 passenger | 00:21 |
| asj_ | luke-jr: how many kids do you have? | 00:22 |
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| luke-jr | 4 so far | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | but I like to buy vehicles that will last 5 years at least | 00:22 |
| luke-jr | so potentially 9 by the time I get rid of the next one | 00:22 |
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| ShadowJK | luke-jr, heh, what did you order from where? | 00:26 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: ? | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | chem|st: around? | 00:27 |
| crashanddie | Flandry: around? | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | <luke-jr> came with some weird Finnish plug :P | 00:27 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: the N900 that was delivered to me today | 00:27 |
| ShadowJK | The wall charger? | 00:29 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 00:29 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: finnish plug? you mean european? | 00:29 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: two round plugs? | 00:29 |
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| luke-jr | I think so | 00:30 |
| ShadowJK | guess you can still charge it from computer with usb | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | yeah | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | just not in the car :) | 00:30 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: you in the UK? | 00:30 |
| luke-jr | no | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, inverter -> wall charger setup in car is kinda silly anyway ;P | 00:31 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: sure | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | I guess your freebie/loaner/unknown didn't come with the adapter that lets you use N810's charger either.. | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | maybe | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | not sure what one of the wires is | 00:32 |
| luke-jr | has 2 round plug slots | 00:32 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: one is for the micro-Nokia charger, other is for the medium Nokia charger | 00:33 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: N810 came with the micro one, you just need to plug one in | 00:34 |
| ShadowJK | luke-jr, does it have a Nokia on one side and Nokia\nCA-146C\nMade in china on the other side in stupidly small font? | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | though it charges the N900 very, very slowly | 00:34 |
| crashanddie | and sometimes it burns through, for no apparent reason | 00:34 |
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| ShadowJK | Everytime you use it, a member of GreenPeace loses a patch of hair | 00:35 |
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| Nirtal | help, I can't use apt-get, I get this error message when I'm trying to do anything "E: The package qtspotify needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. | 00:36 |
| Nirtal | " | 00:36 |
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| luke-jr | burns through? | 00:37 |
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| ShadowJK | It's a mildly inefficient buck voltage regulator padded with plastic and no heatsink | 00:39 |
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| ShadowJK | Reportedly it can create its own big hole for ventilation if the need arises >:-) | 00:39 |
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| asj_ | Nirtal: use dpkg to remove it? | 00:42 |
| Nirtal | can't | 00:43 |
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| asj_ | what does dpkg say? | 00:43 |
| Nirtal | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should | 00:43 |
| Nirtal | reinstall it before attempting a removal. | 00:43 |
| asj_ | Nirtal: you probably have to remove it by hand, I have to leave, someone else can point you at the right files | 00:44 |
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| Nirtal | someone else, please help me!!! | 00:44 |
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| ShadowJK | uh, wtf, I have a xterm consuming 4.2 gigs of memory.. | 00:48 |
| microlith | mmm, buffers | 00:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | RSS!=real memory | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | though a RSS of 4.2G on a 32 bit device is somewhat cunning. | 00:50 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | what might be the difference between the way firefox connects to a proxy in linux on my desktop vs via 3g in maemo? | 00:57 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | (the prior works, the latter does not) | 00:57 |
| ShadowJK | not much | 00:57 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well I kinda need help debuging this | 00:58 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it is supposed to work to get around my providers port 80 block | 00:58 |
| * pahartik finally manages to get "Nokia N900" connected through IPv6 over Bluetooth PAN | 00:58 | |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | once I get 3g I'll be happy | 00:58 |
| SpeedEvil | I would start by running tcpdump on the proxy | 00:58 |
| ShadowJK | Well my first assumption would be that your provider blocks your proxy too | 00:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | From wget on each platform | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | So I'd do what SpeedEvil suggested to | 00:59 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how? that port is supposed to be open (http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data) | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | I'd agree with ShadowJKs wise suggestion. | 00:59 |
| DrGrov | Is it best to charge the phone when it is turned on or turned off? | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 00:59 |
| ShadowJK | DrGrov, no difference really | 00:59 |
| microlith | DrGrov: on, it's quite useless when off :/ | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: turned on will give you more feedback - and with backlight off - is not really any slower | 00:59 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: ok | 00:59 |
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| DrGrov | I just see some lagging with opening up the shortcuts on the desktop | 01:00 |
| * SpeedEvil tries to remember what he was wanting to ask ShadowJK. | 01:00 | |
| DrGrov | That is why I wondered if a reboot is in order | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh - nvm - it was a silly thought. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | '3' in the UK offer free skype-skype calls if you use their downloaded client. | 01:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I was wondering how to tunnel while pretending to be skype | 01:01 |
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| DrGrov | Is not the regular default Skype calls on the N900 free?? :/ | 01:01 |
| DrGrov | Skype to Skype calls that is | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | skype calls may or may not be free. | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | However - data transfer to make skype calls is often not free | 01:01 |
| DrGrov | Ah, data transfer will never be a problem | 01:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (as in beer) | 01:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | '3' were offering free skype calls 'forever' | 01:02 |
| SpeedEvil | On a free SIM | 01:02 |
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| DrGrov | Ah, so the data transfer would be free I presume | 01:02 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - through that offer | 01:02 |
| DrGrov | Anyone else seen the phone becoming lagging after 2-3 days and need to do a reboot? | 01:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: top/ps/... | 01:03 |
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| DrGrov | So booting is almost "required" to perform once every 2-3 days? | 01:03 |
| DrGrov | Any recommendations? | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I've not seen that | 01:04 |
| DrGrov | To open Phone shortcut is hideously slow now | 01:04 |
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| Arkenoi | sometimes it is, sometimes it is not | 01:04 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | okay, it seems like wget isn't obeying the proxy rules I put in... any ideas? | 01:04 |
| Arkenoi | top does not show any high load for me | 01:05 |
| DrGrov | I usually do it when I am charging the phone. Charge it and then turn it off and turn back on. | 01:05 |
| Arkenoi | and memory consumption is normal as well, but the desktop becomes non-responsive after several days sometimes | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: ah - sorry - unsure how to get it - I'd read the manpage | 01:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: what about swap use | 01:06 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | man page of what? | 01:06 |
| DrGrov | Arkenoi: yes, I have that same problem | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | Usually what happens for me is that things I haven't used for a while are slow to respond the first time I use them again, but once I'm using them they become faster | 01:06 |
| crashanddie | LMAO. "In the early days of television, it was widely believed that television sets weighed more when they were switched ON. This belief apparently originated from the manufacturer's owner manual, which quite thoroughly explained to "Turn the set off before attempting to move it."" | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | wget - to see how proxy | 01:06 |
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| Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, normal too | 01:06 |
| ShadowJK | http_proxy=http://ip.or.hostname.here:port/ wget http://www.something.com | 01:07 |
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| luke-jr | where do I get a fresh firmware image (PR 1.2?) for this thing before I mess with it? | 01:09 |
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| ShadowJK | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ | 01:10 |
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| ShadowJK | settings -> about product on your N900 for the imei that site asks for | 01:11 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | okay it is somehow resolving my proxy, but still giving me the tmo homepage | 01:13 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | why would it still redirect me to its own content after being able to resolve the rpxy | 01:14 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | proxy | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | So tmo intercepts the proxy | 01:14 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how can I learn more about this? | 01:14 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | just keep testing different ports? | 01:14 |
| ShadowJK | Somehow I suspect there wouldn't be many holes to be found | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | does it let you get https pages? | 01:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example - what happens if you go to https://www.paypal.com/ | 01:16 |
| lardman | hey ljsdofuynsdfufuh, I didn't have another pizza you'll be glad to hear ;) | 01:16 |
| luke-jr | hmm, can I backup my current N900 OS? since I can't legally reverse engineer the ones on that site? | 01:16 |
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| ShadowJK | Well you can back it up, but you can't restore :-) | 01:17 |
| luke-jr | that's fine I think | 01:18 |
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| luke-jr | don't need to restore to run objdump :p | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | why not just rsync/cp | 01:18 |
| ShadowJK | yeah | 01:18 |
| SpeedEvil | rsync onto the mmc | 01:18 |
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| ShadowJK | /dev/mtd*ro for dump of the device, but it's not easy to extract stuff from it since it's ubifs | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: I don't have SSH access? :) | 01:19 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | https doesn't seem to work either | 01:19 |
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| lardman | anyone used QSetting to store an array of data? | 01:19 |
| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Why not? | 01:19 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | though I had it for a second, but it had auto connected to wifi :[ | 01:19 |
| luke-jr | SpeedEvil: dunno how | 01:19 |
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| ShadowJK | App Manager -> tap titlebar for the app-specific menu, pick Application Catalogues, enable maemo.org extras, install rsync and openssh | 01:19 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Setup wlan. Activate extras. Add 'ssh server and client' in HAM (it's one package) | 01:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Then you pick a password, and can just ssh in | 01:20 |
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| jacekowski | hgrrrr | 01:21 |
| jacekowski | sbdmock | 01:21 |
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| jacekowski | why there is no option to configure any commands prerootstrap | 01:21 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: tor has gotten around it a few times, but it is insanely slow - any idea how it can do it but why my proxy wouldn't? | 01:22 |
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| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: nope | 01:23 |
| alludus | how i can get gkt on n900 so i can compile something :O | 01:23 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | well, how does it intercept the proxy? | 01:23 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: as far as i know you can reverse engineer them | 01:24 |
| pupnik | alludus: copy stuff over from the sdk | 01:24 |
| alludus | oki | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: it just violates the eula but that's different case | 01:24 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: but i would just do tar with some options and dump everything to memory card or somewhere | 01:24 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ShadowJK: any ideas? | 01:24 |
| lcuk | damn | 01:24 |
| ShadowJK | hm, no not really | 01:25 |
| SpeedEvil | alludus: In principle, simply add the sdk repo, upgrade to 1.2 - if not already - then apt-get install build-essentials. | 01:25 |
| lcuk | slider for camera cover borkened | 01:25 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: I don't want to violate the EULA | 01:25 |
| alludus | i didd | 01:25 |
| alludus | it but it doesnt get dependencies automatically :O | 01:25 |
| ShadowJK | They probably have a firewall/router that redirects anything going out on port 80 or port 8080 to their own proxy server, which checks what kind of access you have | 01:25 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ShadowJK: well I'm using one of the ports reported to be open | 01:26 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | and running a squid server | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | alludus: In practice - it'd be wise to copy / to /home/user/chroot - or somewhere - then you just chroot into that dir - and then apt-get install build-essentials | 01:26 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | because I know they block 80 | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | alludus: hen you don't have to worry about screwing up this system | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, which port? | 01:26 |
| ShadowJK | because what it said about 8080 made it sound like it's redirected to their own servers :) | 01:26 |
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| alludus | SpeedEvil, thanks | 01:26 |
| SpeedEvil | alludus: Of course - this will give you no libraries. | 01:27 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I've basically tried all of the following: 25 110 143 465 587 TCP SMTP over SSL993 TCP IMAP4 over SSL 995 TCP POP3 over SSL 8080 TCP | 01:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | alludus: So if you need to build something with ssl - you need to get openssl - nd build it. | 01:27 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: what are you trying to reverse engineer | 01:27 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37887&page=3 well I'm kinda stuck after working on this for days - everyone in this thread said it worked | 01:28 |
| alludus | ok | 01:28 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ShadowJK: sorry....messy copy/paste -almost all of those port numbers i tried though | 01:28 |
| jacekowski | why scratchbox is failing on packages installations | 01:28 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | Ive used the proxy via wifi on the n900 and another box to make sure it works properly too | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | and its never the same package | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | it's random one | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | only constant thing is that it will always fail | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | and sbdmock isn't helpfull in working around it | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Have you overclocked your computer? | 01:29 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | no | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | it's only scratchbox | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | and java | 01:29 |
| jacekowski | well, java just get's killed by grsec | 01:30 |
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| nextime | ljsdofuynsdfufuh there isn't any good unlimited internet plan on us? | 01:36 |
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| nextime | ( just curious about that ) | 01:36 |
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| luke-jr | nextime: no | 01:37 |
| nextime | sad | 01:37 |
| luke-jr | nextime: in Nebraska, there's no N900-compatible 3G at all | 01:37 |
| nextime | this make devices like n900 and others less usefull | 01:37 |
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| nextime | even if maybe there is a good wifi coverage in major towns | 01:38 |
| nextime | here there is no wifi coverage at all ( unless you crack private wep/wap keys ) cause of law regulations on hot-spots | 01:39 |
| nextime | but we have good hsdpa connection plans | 01:39 |
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| * lcuk has never superglued an n900 before | 01:40 | |
| pupnik | what country nextime | 01:40 |
| nextime | pupnik : italy | 01:40 |
| pupnik | similar situation in germany | 01:41 |
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| nextime | pupnik : even in germany there is the anti-terrorism law that say you simply can't expose an open wifi without authenticating clients? | 01:42 |
| jacekowski | bullshit | 01:43 |
| jacekowski | it's not anti terrorism | 01:43 |
| pupnik | i'm not sure of the exact legal situation | 01:43 |
| nextime | jacekowski : yes, it isn't anti-terrorism for real, but it is done officially for anti-terrorism and inserted in a anti-terrorism law package | 01:43 |
| nextime | pupnik : we have a law called "Pisani's law" from the name of the minister that invented it | 01:44 |
| pupnik | sinister minister | 01:44 |
| nextime | it is a large package for anti-terrorism measure adpted after 2001 | 01:44 |
| nextime | with many things AND also laws for wifi and internet cafe' | 01:45 |
| jacekowski | i have open wifi for everybody to use | 01:45 |
| nextime | you can of course use wifi, but you need to register real name surname and other data with valid legal identity documents | 01:46 |
| jacekowski | and only my trafic is encrypted | 01:46 |
| nextime | and/or use it only for private use | 01:46 |
| nextime | jacekowski : you can't do this in italy | 01:46 |
| nextime | anyway, we have 99% of territory covered by hsdpa ( even third generation hsdpa at 28.2 megs for the 50% ) | 01:46 |
| nextime | and good plans for connection | 01:47 |
| nextime | ( like flat for 1 euro/day only for the days you use it ) | 01:47 |
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| jacekowski | nextime: i can't do it here | 01:48 |
| jacekowski | legally | 01:48 |
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| ptl | jacekowski: hi, the other day I asked you some question, are you still hosting chromium for the N900? | 01:49 |
| nextime | jacekowski : even in italy some people do it. I'm one of those think that even if a law is wrong you need to respect it and maybe try to change it legally :) | 01:49 |
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| jacekowski | ptl: well, i'm configuring autobuilder on my machine | 01:51 |
| jacekowski | ptl: and i'll host it then | 01:51 |
| ptl | jacekowski: oh, nice to know... it was too bad that Nokia stopped hosting chromium for so little. | 01:52 |
| nextime | jacekowski : maybe in future you can take a look to iron instead (or in addition to ) chrome? | 01:52 |
| nextime | ops | 01:52 |
| nextime | chromium | 01:52 |
| jacekowski | nextime: why? | 01:53 |
| jacekowski | i don't care about anonimity | 01:54 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm against anonimity in internet | 01:54 |
| lcuk | what about in your home? | 01:54 |
| nextime | jacekowski : i'm not against anonimity, but it isn't about anonimity, it is about privacy | 01:55 |
| nextime | they are different things | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | anonimity != privacy | 01:55 |
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| pupnik | . | 01:55 |
| nextime | jacekowski: tell to google what you see isn't a good thing in my personal opinion | 01:55 |
| lcuk | good point, i shouldnt post after working with superglue | 01:55 |
| nextime | i even have google-analitycs and other domains pointing on 127.0.0.1 on my dns :) | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | well, chromium isn't sharing any excessive amount of information | 01:56 |
| nextime | jacekowski : chromium is just chrome recompiled, it has many bad (in the point of view of privacy ) things | 01:56 |
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| nextime | of course this is *my* opinion, you are free to use what you want :) | 01:57 |
| jacekowski | nextime: no it isn't | 01:58 |
| jacekowski | nextime: chromium doesn't have all binary privacy invading modules | 01:58 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | fuck, I'd pay whomever figures this out for me | 01:59 |
| lardman | night all | 01:59 |
| pyther24 | What's wrong? | 01:59 |
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| pyther24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, ^^ | 01:59 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I already put 100$ on the sidekick prepaid because a tmo rep convinced me that the sidekick plan would work for any smart phone - and that i get the most free minutes if i put 100$ on at once | 01:59 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but their official story now is that the sidekick plan only works with the sidekick | 02:00 |
| jacekowski | 30-94-55 26315860 | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Ow. | 02:00 |
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| jacekowski | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: ^ and what do youneed | 02:00 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I would suggest you contact them, make a formal complaint that you were mis-sold the plan. | 02:00 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | some people on the forum said that they got proxies working so that they can use port 80 et al | 02:00 |
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| jacekowski | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: well, sidekick is piece of crap | 02:00 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I have, they say there is nothing they can do - and that their managers have no more authority to fix it than they do | 02:00 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, the plan will have terms and written things, buyer beware? | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | mobile phone market in usa is like non existient | 02:01 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but "the sidekick plan" is the only prepaid data plan ther eis | 02:01 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Do they have recordings of the call? | 02:01 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I guess | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: that's a thing in the UK | 02:01 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but still, I've spent too much time and money on this already | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | you can always cancel | 02:01 |
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| jacekowski | and tell them to fuck off | 02:01 |
| jacekowski | you don't have to prove to them that you were missold | 02:01 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | and I've been paying for this so-called "data" service - despite the fact that it isnt really data | 02:02 |
| lcuk | "you sold me a sidekick plan and i havent even got a sidekick" | 02:02 |
| nextime | correct me if i'mwrong: in US you can pay even for *received* sms, isn't true? | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | you can cancel just because you want to cancel | 02:02 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | when I start explaining in detail they just hang up | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I would suggest you next approach your local consumer rights organisation - better buisness bureau? | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Not strictly true - but generally, so. | 02:02 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37887&page=3 people got it to work here though | 02:02 |
| jacekowski | nextime: i bought at&t prepaid and 5 minutes of internet browsing costed me $100 + tax | 02:02 |
| SpeedEvil | 'people got it to work' does not mean it will continue working | 02:03 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | but I've got a squid server tested and everything and I can't see to get it to work at all | 02:03 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Ow. | 02:03 |
| nextime | jacekowski : it's chap :) | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i went to at&t shop to buy local prepaid as it's ussualy cheapest thing to do | 02:03 |
| nextime | chEap | 02:03 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | so that is what I need help with | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: so she sold me $100 pre-paid | 02:03 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: for which i had to pay $100 + sales tax so it worked out at $115 | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | In the UK, things have gotten somewhat better since I last looked. 1 month rolling contract internet can be gotten at 5 quid per month. 'unlimited'. | 02:04 |
| SpeedEvil | (3) | 02:04 |
| jacekowski | hmmm | 02:04 |
| jacekowski | £5 that's nice | 02:04 |
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| nextime | ljsdofuynsdfufuh : if you have a squid server on your server, can't you tunnel your data with a vpn instead of use a proxy? | 02:04 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | jacekowski: the fact that people like us, who really understand technology like this, can be tricked consistently proves the disingenuousness of service providers plans | 02:04 |
| jacekowski | 3 months ago it was £10 | 02:04 |
| lcuk | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, with a proxy you will ALWAYS be looking for a new proxies? | 02:05 |
| lcuk | or are you planning on hosting your own | 02:05 |
| lcuk | on your home server | 02:05 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I made my own lcuk | 02:05 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it works well, but somehow tmo is still redirecting me | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Are you sure your proxy can be connected to externally? | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | you may also need to tunnel the DNS | 02:05 |
| SpeedEvil | As for example - they get a request for www.google.com - and they serve up the DNS for their NOC | 02:06 |
| nextime | ljsdofuynsdfufuh : in your situation i think i will do an openvpn tunnel and redirect my default gateway inside the tunnel | 02:06 |
| nextime | so, it will work and also i get encrypted :) | 02:06 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | so it resolves my proxies ip, but then somehow still redicts me to their t-zones shit | 02:06 |
| lcuk | did they only close off port 80? | 02:06 |
| pyther24 | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, likely dns redirect of some type | 02:07 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: I've tested the proxy with n900 wifi and another box and it works fine | 02:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Does it resolve the proxy IP correctly? | 02:07 |
| lcuk | is it your home server that is downloading the tzones | 02:07 |
| lcuk | or direct from phone | 02:07 |
| lcuk | cos that would answer the dns thing -> if its from home then dns is redirected - if its from phone, the ports are still being blocked | 02:08 |
| lcuk | but really thats their network | 02:08 |
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| lcuk | and their contract | 02:08 |
| midas__ | hi there | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300435794116&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNASIF:US:1123 | 02:09 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 02:09 |
| midas__ | i have a nice one. via the filebrowser i can see my pictures. but when i press pictures it doesnt show anything.. | 02:10 |
| SpeedEvil | tracker is broken. | 02:11 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | Speed, it actually resolves the ip but then somehow still sends me the tzones website when i try any domain | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | I would suggest nuking the tracker databases. | 02:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Ok - you need to work out what's happening - it's one of several things. | 02:11 |
| midas__ | any tips on how? | 02:11 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: A) It's lying about the DNS, and pointing you to their own server, and your proxy server is then connecting to that. | 02:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | B) It's not lying about the DNS, and for some reason you're not making the connection to your proxy server - but being man-in-the-middled. | 02:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | C) something else. | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | D) Underpants. | 02:13 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I just tried an ip | 02:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Inspect the logs on the proxy server. | 02:13 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | instead of domain | 02:13 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | same thing | 02:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it in fact connecting to the proxy server from the phone | 02:13 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | logs show no connections from the 3g | 02:13 |
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| lcuk | midas__, he tracker database can be reset by opening up "X Terminal" and typing "tracker-processes -r", then hitting enter. afaik | 02:13 |
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| MohammadAG | ljsdofuynsdfufuh, how exactly do you remember your nick... | 02:14 |
| midas__ | lcuk: thanks. gonna try that | 02:14 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: what happens if you go to https://64.4.241.33/ - in the browser? | 02:14 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, same way everyone else does | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: It should say 'untrusted site/broken cert' | 02:15 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a paypal server | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, I got you bacon | 02:15 |
| lcuk | :D rly? | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | yeah :D | 02:15 |
| lcuk | i bet you havent got a replacement back cover for 900 have you :p | 02:16 |
| midas__ | seems to work lcuk ! | 02:16 |
| lcuk | the spring sprung through the superglue <@> | 02:16 |
| lcuk | midas__, good ! | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, why should I :) | 02:16 |
| nextime | thanks god to give us a tab key :D | 02:17 |
| * lcuk looks @ n900 and curses nextime | 02:17 | |
| midas__ | god had nothing to do with it | 02:17 |
| nextime | lcuk : on n900 irssi client/x-terminal it is emulated on the touch screen | 02:17 |
| nextime | :P | 02:17 |
| * MohammadAG suggest remapping | 02:17 | |
| MohammadAG | suggests* | 02:18 |
| lcuk | *rapping | 02:18 |
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| lcuk | theres so much qt code | 02:18 |
| lcuk | that doesnt do what i expect | 02:19 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: I think B) man-in-the-middled is the most fitting of the evidence | 02:19 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | what is the next thing to try? | 02:19 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | that didn't connect btw | 02:19 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | (the ip) | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, told you Qt was evil. | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: In what way diddn't it connect? | 02:20 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:20 |
| SpeedEvil | ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I mean - don't try to go through the proxy - go directly to that site | 02:20 |
| midas__ | yay! | 02:21 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | it was just blocked | 02:21 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | I tried in cmdline "request to proxy sent" awaiting respond using wget | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | If connecting to the https port on payals servers doesn't work - the chance of anything else working is vanishingly small IMO | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | not proxy | 02:21 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | also, I don't understand what the settings in connection do | 02:21 |
| SpeedEvil | direct | 02:21 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | in advanced | 02:21 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | there is "proxies" which is what I'm using, and "ip addresses" | 02:21 |
| midas__ | use a ssl tunnel to route your own traffic? | 02:22 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | which i havent messed with, but it has two options: auto-retreive ip addresses and auto-retreive dns -should I try these? | 02:22 |
| midas__ | ssh* | 02:22 |
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| * nextime suggest openvpn | 02:24 | |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | SpeedEvil: I export the proxy, wget the paypal IP, then it says it is getting a file called index.html.1, then it says connected to my proxy server, then it says proxy request sent awaiting response | 02:25 |
| SpeedEvil | IP addresses are - generally - for static IPs | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't set them at all | 02:26 |
| SpeedEvil | unset proxies | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | now try connecting without a proxy to the above site - paypals https port | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | with the browser | 02:27 |
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| SpeedEvil | that should give you a certificate error - saying that the certificate is untrusted | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | If you can make a https connection to that server. | 02:27 |
| SpeedEvil | If you cannot, it'll either time out, or be redirected to the ISPs servers. | 02:28 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | wait, don't set any proxies in the tmo connect pref? | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 02:28 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | they block port 80, thought that was the whole point | 02:28 |
| SpeedEvil | See what's happening without the proxy - it's obscuring things at this point | 02:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | They may not block https - as you fundamentally can't man-in-the-middle a https connection. | 02:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (and have it work, without munging the certificates on the host) | 02:29 |
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| MohammadAG | hah! Freenode crashed | 02:29 |
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| MohammadAG | <3 it when that happens | 02:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Don't worry - you're on the good half. | 02:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkgeek.com/blog/2010/06/officially-our-bestever-cease.html :) | 02:31 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how do i type a tilde on the n900? | 02:34 |
| MohammadAG | a what? | 02:34 |
| Mousey | just hit ~ | 02:34 |
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| MohammadAG | Blue arrow + CTRL (Sym) | 02:34 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | aww shanpz | 02:36 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | ...working on it SpeedEvil, I can't see what is going on in fennec, but it is obvious that when I try to visit that ip on the cmdline with wget it still tries to use my proxy for some reason, maybe i need to power cycle | 02:38 |
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| Lullen | I got my program(qexercise) installed in /usr/local/bin/qexercise. What I am trying to do is try to look if there is a folder(wich the program should have made) with the x-terminal but it wont let me enter the folder... I have tried as root too. How do I get inside the folder? | 02:38 |
| lcuk | obi wan: "thats probably not the folder you are looking for" | 02:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ar eyou root? | 02:41 |
| Lullen | what folder do I look for then? I got the path by using "qDebug() << QApplication::applicationFilePath ();" | 02:41 |
| Lullen | yes | 02:41 |
| lcuk | thats the path to the binary | 02:41 |
| lcuk | where it stores its data is different | 02:42 |
| Lullen | where should that be? | 02:42 |
| lcuk | at a guess /home/user/qexercise or similar | 02:42 |
| Lullen | okey thanks | 02:43 |
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| lcuk | Lullen, which data specifically are you looking for | 02:45 |
| Lullen | I am not looking for any data, I am now saving all my files at MyDocs | 02:46 |
| Lullen | So I need to move it to a proper place | 02:46 |
| lcuk | because it seems to store some of its info in cml files on the root of MyDocs (/home/user/MyDocs/program.xml exercises.xml settings.xml | 02:46 |
| lcuk | history.xml | 02:46 |
| lcuk | xml ^ | 02:47 |
| Lullen | yeah thats what I am fixing | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | heh, MyDocs is far from being proper :) | 02:47 |
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| Lullen | ye I know :) | 02:47 |
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| lcuk | ahh Lullen you are the developer? | 02:48 |
| Lullen | yes | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, so slow :) | 02:48 |
| lcuk | cool! | 02:48 |
| Lullen | haha | 02:48 |
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| Lullen | So I should store it in /home/user/qexercise? | 02:48 |
| * MohammadAG suggests /home/user/.qexercise | 02:48 | |
| lcuk | /home/user/.qexercise would be the normal folder then :P but you should pick up the /home/user part dynamically | 02:48 |
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| Lullen | how do I do that? | 02:49 |
| lcuk | because when people on different OSes pickup your app (meego) the path will be different | 02:49 |
| lcuk | im not sure atm in qt | 02:49 |
| lcuk | it will be available | 02:49 |
| lcuk | i just dunno how | 02:49 |
| * MohammadAG suggests gexercise, | 02:49 | |
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| Lullen | haha | 02:50 |
| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | does google voice let anyone call you and visa versa (like skype in/out)? | 02:50 |
| SpeedEvil | ncursexercise. | 02:50 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i read his initial request to be that he had something installed - im bedding soon im tired | 02:51 |
| Lullen | sleep?! now+! | 02:52 |
| Lullen | ?! | 02:52 |
| lcuk | !! indeed but i dozed off earlier | 02:53 |
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| Lullen | Not OK, you should be up helping me | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | *grin* | 02:56 |
| Lullen | or Meego is not out yet, why care about it? I got enough problems as it is :) | 02:56 |
| lcuk | sure Lullen but thinking carefully and spending a little extra time now will save you the trouble in future | 02:56 |
| lcuk | and its not just for meego | 02:56 |
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| MohammadAG51 | in short, don't use hardcoded crap | 02:57 |
| lcuk | because you have written your app in qt - if you are inside its walled garden you should be able to just use it on symbian for instance | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | :) | 02:57 |
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| lcuk | lol | 02:57 |
| Lullen | yeah I know but I need to get it working and I will probebly have to edit it when I optify it, I guess... | 02:59 |
| Lullen | or? | 02:59 |
| Lullen | Well another problem is that the folder does not get created | 03:00 |
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| MohammadAG51 | mkdir ftw | 03:01 |
| lcuk | Lullen, when you install the application | 03:01 |
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| lcuk | there is no way of knowing which user will be running it | 03:01 |
| lcuk | on a desktop pc, your app might be run be /home/lullen /home/gary /home/mohammad etc | 03:01 |
| lcuk | me too | 03:02 |
| lcuk | gnite \o | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | night :) | 03:02 |
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| Lullen | night | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | how'd you know my username was mohammad | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | :P | 03:02 |
| Lullen | that one was hard I guess | 03:03 |
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| MohammadAG51 | indeed :D | 03:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | o/ | 03:04 |
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| Lullen | It is ok to save a exported file to MyDocs right? | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack | 03:31 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer51 | 03:31 |
| Lullen | Well bed is calling! | 03:31 |
| Lullen | Bye | 03:31 |
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| jrayhawk | What's needed for padsp or aoss to work in a chroot on an N900? | 03:41 |
| jrayhawk | I've got /var/run/pulse, /tmp, /home/user, and /dev bindmounted over into it. | 03:41 |
| jrayhawk | And a proper dsp0 entry for aoss in asound.conf. | 03:42 |
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| jrayhawk | Ah, I see, mismatched pulseaudio versions were my problem for aoss, still not sure why padsp doesn't work... | 03:43 |
| jrayhawk | I guess there's no libpulsedsp.so in maemo, so I can't copy that version over. | 03:44 |
| jrayhawk | I guess aoss is good enough for me. | 03:44 |
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| asj | jrayhawk: strace can sometimes be useful for that | 03:54 |
| jrayhawk | Yeah, that helped a lot. | 03:55 |
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| jrayhawk | I'm pretty sure "aoss works if you copy over the maemo pulseaudio library versions, padsp might work if you managed to find the right version of libpulsedsp.so and get it compiled, but aoss involves less work" is the conclusion to this | 03:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jrayhawk: forget OSS | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | forget AOSS | 03:57 |
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| jrayhawk | Why yes, just erase all of history, surely nothing useful happened before whatever the latest generation of technology is. Good advice! | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, aoss <my-app> should 'jus work' | 03:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and believe me I'm not a PA fanboy :-) | 03:59 |
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| ptl | why does pulseaudio receive so much disdain? It seems nice to me | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | moin raster | 04:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PA is a crap invented by sb who wasn't able t keep the span of attentiveness to understand the ALSA docs | 04:03 |
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| raster | DocScrutinizer: docz! | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rasterz | 04:04 |
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| puzzled | hi | 04:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster: kill PA, kill ALSA, make your API the default worldwide! ;-D | 04:05 |
| raster | DocScrutinizer: alsa's api isnt the nicest | 04:06 |
| raster | i spent some time with it a bit ago porting quake3 to alsa | 04:06 |
| raster | well doing a port - then i found someone else did one | 04:06 |
| asj | I don't understand why audio on all platforms is so hard to get right. Just the other I had to use a windows laptop, queued up some music using a USB headset. Went to the show, plugged into main audio out. Audio fail. It didnt switch away from the non-existant usb headset. | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway my muffins don't come in via chimney, and I need to have a rest to sit an the street begging tomorrow. So night folks | 04:07 |
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| djkrikke | Hi guys, I made a script that checks the if-down, if I lose my wlan connection, I want the device to automatically connect to edge/3G | 04:15 |
| djkrikke | problem is that they run standalone, but not in if-down.d | 04:16 |
| jrayhawk | asj: "right" is ambiguous: http://www.the-source.com/2010/05/pulseaudio-and-jack/ | 04:16 |
| djkrikke | is there a reason why dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd /com/nokia/icd com.nokia.icd.connect string:"[ANY]" uint32:0 may not work in if-down.d? | 04:16 |
| djkrikke | (if I run a bash script the second after I disconnect, so if goes down, it does work..) | 04:17 |
| asj | jrayhawk: I prefer to change ambiguous to ambitious :) nice table though | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | runstandalone.sh | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | night peeps | 04:19 |
| djkrikke | hello :) | 04:19 |
| djkrikke | hmm DocScrutinizer, runstandalone doesn't seem to fix it | 04:21 |
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| djkrikke | it does work again when just typing in the terminal | 04:24 |
| djkrikke | what may be a reason for this behavior? | 04:24 |
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| jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/media/img/dump/why-alsa-sucks.png ALSA also has its issues | 04:26 |
| djkrikke | DocScrutinizer: any idea? | 04:26 |
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| jrayhawk | I think most people like pulseaudio for providing a safe, simple way of doing per-application sound settings and having multiplexing on by default, whereas the ALSA way is error prone, arcane, and tries to do as little as possible by default. | 04:29 |
| jrayhawk | People who make wise consumer hardware purchasing decisions tend not to have dmix and mixer problems because the hardware takes care of that for them. | 04:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hahahahahaha | 04:33 |
| jrayhawk | People on the low end (who buy the most underfeatured hardware they can find) and high end (who buying most overfeatured hardware they can find) both wind up with problems. | 04:33 |
| jrayhawk | PulseAudio and Jack are attempts to smooth over those issues for those groups, respectively. | 04:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | PA is an attempt to evade the necessity to read ALSA dics | 04:34 |
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| jrayhawk | I've made complex chained asoundrc files. ALSA is very, very brittle and very very unpleasant to work with. | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? switch to PA which has tons of bugs??? | 04:36 |
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| luke-jr | lucky, flasher 3.0 works on N900 | 04:36 |
| jrayhawk | I admittedly have never played with PA, so I have no idea how bad it is, but from what I've seen of others, many common things you'd want to do are less horrible. | 04:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jrayhawk: admitted, but on ALSA they just work - once you featured to setup correctly. And GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY | 04:38 |
| jrayhawk | Not for me. Seems like half of the operations I wanted to chain were just not supported by libasound. | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | thinks about my prev statement | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you'll prolly find the solution | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk | 04:39 |
| jrayhawk | Or, rather, the individual operations I wanted to chain would work, but the chaining itself was only compatible with some operations. Other just spit out bizarre error messages and bad results. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, on alsa eben a close() may fail. You got to know your way around | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | on PA there is no 'way around' | 04:44 |
| jrayhawk | This is just the configuration interface. I have never even touched the programming interface. | 04:44 |
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| jrayhawk | I like my sanity! | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | mhm | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and off | 04:44 |
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| those | ;] jrayhawk | 05:07 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | how do you make sshd not start automatically? | 06:10 |
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| t_s_o | of all the images they could have used! http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/06/nokia_z500_tablet_rumored_to_run_on_meego.html | 06:32 |
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| microlith | heh | 06:35 |
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| ljp | wth? | 06:48 |
| asj | yes? | 06:50 |
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| svanheulen | since i've updated to pr1.2 i've noticed my n900 gets very warm when i use it as a modem, anyone else have this problem? | 06:54 |
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| jessee | auto capitalization on n900 is broken | 06:55 |
| jessee | after 1.2 | 06:55 |
| svanheulen | jessee: i always turn it off so i didn't notice | 06:55 |
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| jessee | what a disappointment 1.2 is | 06:56 |
| svanheulen | *what a disappointment maemo is* fixed | 06:56 |
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| jessee | yes | 06:57 |
| svanheulen | love the n900 hardware but i wish it ran android | 06:57 |
| jessee | it's quiet here today, they all ran away to meego | 06:59 |
| svanheulen | bah, i have a feeling meego wont be any better | 07:00 |
| jessee | it wont be if nokia abandons it after 6 months like they did maemo/n900 | 07:01 |
| ljp | nokia has not abandonded the n900 | 07:01 |
| jessee | ljp: wish it were true mate what you're saying | 07:02 |
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| ljp | ya, what do I know | 07:07 |
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| opdf2 | is there an app to keep track of hours worked per day? | 07:39 |
| opdf2 | so i can see if my tracking matches my pay period | 07:39 |
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| ebzzry | Hi! Is screen (the multiplexer) available on Fremantle? | 07:42 |
| pigeon | opdf2: apt-cache search gives me flexo and mtracker | 07:43 |
| opdf2 | pigeon: Â thanks I'll look into those | 07:44 |
| pigeon | opdf2: http://www.balenet.com/flexo/ | 07:44 |
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| ljsdofuynsdfufuh | when there are more than a couple of widgets in the dropdown menu for the wifi etc, then a scroll bar appears for a second, but it doesn't work (for example mine has more than 8 things in it i cannot get teh flashlight app to work because it is pushed down) | 07:53 |
| RST38h | moo. | 07:54 |
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| red | has anyone had problems with MfE and google lately? it has been working for me since december, but now all of a sudden im getting exchange server not responding errors and no successfull syncs | 08:36 |
| Surfa | sounds exactly same problem as there has been earlier | 08:36 |
| red | so its a client/device issue? | 08:36 |
| Surfa | syncing works other way, and it seems to fail to another, only way to get rid of it is to remove and re-enter account details | 08:37 |
| Surfa | don't know | 08:37 |
| Surfa | maybe, maybe not | 08:37 |
| red | doh | 08:37 |
| asj | red: you just using it for contact/cal? | 08:37 |
| red | only cal | 08:37 |
| asj | red: I've had good luck with nuevasync, guy has an n900 so he's quick fixing issues and it's free for cal (and contacts) | 08:38 |
| red | it syncs gmail too? | 08:38 |
| red | guess ill give it a go seeing as i have to redo the sync anyway | 08:38 |
| asj | it can sync email, but that costs | 08:38 |
| red | not needed | 08:39 |
| red | native app works well with email | 08:39 |
| Surfa | it's not google related problem, it occurs also with plain exchange servers too | 08:39 |
| red | atleast with gmail | 08:39 |
| Surfa | so i would think that it's device mfe problem | 08:39 |
| red | yup | 08:39 |
| red | thanks for tips, love irc :) | 08:40 |
| Surfa | but I don't know why it happens, for me it has worked perfectly well the whole time | 08:40 |
| red | ya, for mee too until now heh | 08:40 |
| Surfa | but I know a person who has had that issue twice, with pr1.1.1 and 1.2 | 08:40 |
| Surfa | but anyway, if the problem remains, removing and reentering the account details should work just fine | 08:41 |
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| red | perhaps he syncs more agressively | 08:41 |
| red | e | 08:41 |
| Surfa | but problem with google is that you can initially sync only empty calendar | 08:41 |
| Surfa | so basically you would need either to remove all entries or create new sync calendar for that purpose | 08:41 |
| red | yeo i know | 08:42 |
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| red | thats annoying | 08:42 |
| tybollt | so | 08:42 |
| tybollt | ERANGE time ago | 08:42 |
| Surfa | that's plainly google problem, i have no idea why such restriction :) | 08:42 |
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| tybollt | there were 2.2 beta of Ovi suite released | 08:42 |
| tybollt | when is it due for release? | 08:43 |
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| tybollt | the lack of comittment to Ovi from a N900 view is absolutely apaling. | 08:43 |
| wall[e] | hello, could someone confirm this bug for me please? http://pastebin.com/bzeiRWFC | 08:43 |
| wall[e] | ah, i guess you'll need thai font, n/m | 08:44 |
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| vldcnst | wall[e]: confirmed | 08:48 |
| wall[e] | vldcnst, thanks! | 08:48 |
| vldcnst | wall[e]: I get an extra space also. '? ??' | 08:49 |
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| wall[e] | vldcnst, ok. | 08:51 |
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| tybollt | hmm | 09:00 |
| tybollt | so if I put my MFE as gmail | 09:00 |
| tybollt | no wait | 09:00 |
| tybollt | nm | 09:00 |
| tybollt | :) | 09:00 |
| asj | tybollt: from my experiance with ovi services, them ignoring us, and us ignoring them is the best outcome you could hope for | 09:01 |
| tybollt | why | 09:01 |
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| tybollt | oh well ovi is soon useless to me anyway | 09:01 |
| asj | tybollt: oh you meant ovi suite, I was thinking of store and mail | 09:01 |
| asj | tybollt: I have no use for it, but people like using it to move maps and contacts, all useless for me | 09:02 |
| ebzzry | Hi! Is screen (screen multiplexer) available on Fremantle? | 09:02 |
| joga | ebzzry: yes, in fremantle-tools (or such) | 09:02 |
| tybollt | missus had nokia too, we'd share the calendar and sync... now she's getting an SE (yes nokia is really really fucking up right now they don't have a contender) so now it'll have to be gmail cal | 09:02 |
| joga | ebzzry: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 09:03 |
| tybollt | asj: I don't get that | 09:03 |
| tybollt | asj: having your contacts ona web and then syncing it OTA is fricken bliss | 09:03 |
| tybollt | asj: all nokias does that EXCEPT n900 | 09:03 |
| asj | tybollt: mfe works for me with google | 09:03 |
| ebzzry | joga: Thanks! | 09:03 |
| tybollt | asj: good stuff | 09:03 |
| tybollt | asj: unfortunately I need workmail (exchange) so can't use MFE for gmail | 09:04 |
| tybollt | but there's erminig I suppose | 09:04 |
| asj | tybollt: ah, isn't there a syncml client? | 09:04 |
| asj | (not built in, in extras-*) | 09:05 |
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| pigeon | has anyone played with arapp? | 09:39 |
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| pigeon | PolarFox: hi | 10:15 |
| pigeon | PolarFox: i find it sometimes just segvs at startup, but sometimes it doesn't | 10:16 |
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| PolarFox | Yeah, I know.. it isn't even close to stable.. :) | 10:16 |
| PolarFox | I've seen it crash even from the smallest interruption..(like IM message) | 10:17 |
| pigeon | ah | 10:17 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:22 |
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| mmarc__1 | hi, guys! To my understanding, N900 with GLES 2.0 support should be able to run tegra-targeted apps. But what about java frontend? Anybody tried to bring Android's JVM on maemo, is it ever possible and why? | 10:29 |
| rmrfchik | look for nitroid | 10:29 |
| nextime | rmrfchik : nitroid is a port of android to n900 as i understand, mmarc__1 was asking about just the jvm i think | 10:34 |
| mmarc__1 | yeah, I've heard about it, but what about JVM on top of maemo? | 10:35 |
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| mmarc__1 | I worked a bit with both, and IMO maemo's understanding of linux is much more comfortable | 10:35 |
| rmrfchik | can I layout on grid desktop's shortcuts | 10:36 |
| rmrfchik | ? | 10:36 |
| mmarc__1 | for some reason android reworked all file system structure, and they even don't have a normal shell! | 10:36 |
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| Duckboot | Does there exists another Mailclient for N900 besides modest? | 10:59 |
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| nas_ | easydebian -> thunderbird ? | 11:00 |
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| Duckboot | Nah - I want a mailclient with a UI made for a handheld, but more functionality than modest | 11:02 |
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| Proteous | mutt!@ | 11:06 |
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| ohmy | hi | 11:07 |
| psycho_oreos | hi | 11:07 |
| ohmy | do you know if exist any benchmark on sd device (read/write/random acess etc ?) | 11:08 |
| psycho_oreos | not a professional one no, probably I'd just do dd | 11:08 |
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| psycho_oreos | dd and cat probably | 11:09 |
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| chem|st | crashanddie: wazz up? | 11:26 |
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| chem|st | psycho_oreos: nice name... psycho cookies | 11:27 |
| Duckboot | Proteous: mutt - Ofc... Why did'nt I think of that one. | 11:28 |
| chem|st | Duckboot: what was the ctrl+key combo for enter again? | 11:28 |
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| plastun | hello! can any body show python example hot to make phone call? | 11:29 |
| plastun | i think use os.system('command') is not a good idea | 11:29 |
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| crs | Good morning guys. | 11:30 |
| amigadave | plastun: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call_2 | 11:30 |
| plastun | amigadave, thanks! | 11:31 |
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| crs | I have set up alarmed to switch profiles using cron strings. Switched nicely to silent at given time but then never switched back to general profile (i did set it up as well). Then I wanted to switch to general manualy, but it is not in profiles menu when you click on the icons on topbar. It is still available in settings. I do have 1.2 firmware. Did anyone experienced something like that? | 11:33 |
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| frals_ | chem|st: ctrl+j iirc | 11:35 |
| chem|st | frals_: thx thats what Duckboot needs as the enter key is KP_Enter | 11:35 |
| chem|st | crs: have you tweakr installed? | 11:37 |
| chem|st | crs: for some reason the general disappeared, use the pwr_btn-menu | 11:38 |
| crs | chem|st: I do have it, yes. | 11:39 |
| chem|st | you should be able to change it within the pwr_btn-menu | 11:39 |
| crs | chem|st: OK, thanks, I am able to chenge it again now. Nice one. Question remains, wky alarmed does not change back to general profile then? ;/ | 11:39 |
| chem|st | whats your input?= | 11:40 |
| chem|st | pastebin your scripts (both) pls | 11:40 |
| crs | chem|st: input?=? | 11:40 |
| chem|st | the command you use | 11:41 |
| crs | with alarmed? It has build in profile switching | 11:41 |
| chem|st | well tell the maintainer | 11:42 |
| crs | I do have exctly the same cron strings and switching to silent works, but not to general | 11:42 |
| crs | Weird. | 11:42 |
| crs | I shall do so. Thanks. | 11:43 |
| chem|st | what is the cron string then? | 11:43 |
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| crs | 30 17 * * 1,2,3,4 - this one does not work | 11:43 |
| crs | 15 9 * * 1,2,3,4,5 - this one does | 11:43 |
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| flux | crs, btw, I've used ses for similar purpose with some success | 11:46 |
| chem|st | gimme the full string pls | 11:46 |
| toggles_w | anyone use sygic? my tomtom died and i need a replacement | 11:46 |
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| chem|st | toggles_w: mappero... | 11:47 |
| pupnik | i wonder if they got improved speakers on more recent n900s | 11:47 |
| toggles_w | yeah, tried that | 11:47 |
| crs | chem|st: I use alarmed to do that, there is no script shich I need to know. You pickup an action, set the timing for it (one of the options is to use cron string) using cron and thats it. | 11:47 |
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| chem|st | pupnik: nope | 11:47 |
| crs | flux: ses? What is that? | 11:47 |
| akssps011 | when I run xephyr using Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & | 11:47 |
| akssps011 | I get this error: Unrecognized option: -kb | 11:48 |
| flux | crs, ses - System Event Scheduler controls operation at certain times of the day | 11:48 |
| akssps011 | I have used it earlier but it doesn't seem to work anymore | 11:48 |
| akssps011 | any idea ? | 11:48 |
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| chem|st | crs: "§&%@ so you set that up in alarmed, have you ever thought of having a look into your crontab? | 11:49 |
| chem|st | akssps011: followup versions dont have that option, I wonder that you come here... first try is to remove the string and try again | 11:50 |
| chem|st | Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac & | 11:51 |
| crs | chem|st: It does not use cron. It uses some kind of build in mechanism | 11:51 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:51 |
| chem|st | crs: ok then its time to file a bug... | 11:51 |
| akssps011 | chem|st: i guessed so, but didn't tried(pity me)..thanks a lot | 11:51 |
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| alterego | g'moaning | 11:52 |
| * chem|st slaps akssps011 with a large...<pu in what you like> | 11:52 | |
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| chem|st | alterego: what are you moaning again? | 11:53 |
| chem|st | ;) | 11:53 |
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| Myrtti | SHALALALA | 11:54 |
| tybollt | boo this is World Cup free zone :) | 11:55 |
| Myrtti | whatwhere? | 11:55 |
| tybollt | meh | 11:55 |
| alterego | I'm always moaning. | 11:55 |
| chem|st | so not for a reason! just habbit? | 11:56 |
| psycho_oreos | chem|st, mmhmm ta | 11:56 |
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| Myrtti | hobbit | 11:56 |
| tybollt | well I actually have hairy feet so yes - I guess I deserve that | 11:57 |
| crs | chem|st: Looks like. Thanks for your hope. I might actually install cron instead. Is there any cron for n900 in repos? | 11:58 |
| crs | flux: How is that ses package called? | 11:59 |
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| Duckboot | Anyone got a .deb for mutt-ng? (Or mutt-patched) | 12:03 |
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| flux | crs, it has a GUI, you run it from the list of programs.. | 12:05 |
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| crs | flux: It does not seem like I do have it installed. Is n900 a device you actually mean? | 12:06 |
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| flux | crs, ah, I must've missed it if you have a non-n900 device then :) | 12:06 |
| flux | nope, you have n900 as well.. yes, the package is called ses, and it isn't installed by default. | 12:06 |
| flux | crs, it appears I've got it from extras-devel | 12:07 |
| toggles_w | damn this country with no road signs | 12:08 |
| crs | Will give it a go now. Thanks | 12:08 |
| crs | toggles_w: What country are you talking about? | 12:08 |
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| toggles_w | lol .it | 12:08 |
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| toggles_w | mappero is failing to route me for some reason, i think it's because the road doesn't exist | 12:08 |
| toggles_w | i'll just stay lost for a while | 12:09 |
| Surfa | well, it uses google router by default | 12:09 |
| Surfa | it shouldn't be mappero feature at all | 12:09 |
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| alterego | Do new software releases effect karma? Or is it just the initial project? | 12:11 |
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| crs | flux: Hmm, very unstable that ses is. Crashes twice already. ;/ | 12:16 |
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| flux | crs, oh, works for me (TM) :) | 12:17 |
| crs | ;-) | 12:17 |
| crs | And I am trying to set up 16:45 to switch to general profile but even if I set correct time, after I click on Add event it changes it to 16:19 :) | 12:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | alterego - don't downloads add? | 12:25 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: if so - then presumably they'd add | 12:25 |
| alterego | Oh, I didn't know it was related to downloads, frals must be through the roof then :) | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | it isn't. | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 12:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Sorry. | 12:27 |
| X-Fade | Entries in downloads + rating for your app. | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | I shall now go and commit hari-kiri. | 12:28 |
| SpeedEvil | s/hari-kiri/breakfast/ | 12:28 |
| infobot | SpeedEvil meant: I shall now go and commit breakfast. | 12:28 |
| alterego | X-Fade: really? but you can rate your own app? | 12:28 |
| alterego | I gave mine 4/5 ... | 12:28 |
| X-Fade | alterego: Yes, but it an avg ;) | 12:29 |
| alterego | Ah, lucky I'm the only one that's rated it then :P | 12:29 |
| X-Fade | alterego: That is what it says.. Votes: 1 :) | 12:31 |
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| alterego | :) | 12:31 |
| Venemo | morning guys! | 12:31 |
| alterego | I plan to vote again for my next version too, this time5/5 :P | 12:32 |
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| alterego | But the next version will be a pretty good solid release. | 12:32 |
| Venemo | how do I get a color from the current theme? | 12:33 |
| alterego | Venemo: I think you're not going to like the answer ... | 12:34 |
| Venemo | alterego: ??? | 12:35 |
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| alterego | I think you need to parse the Gtk theme files .. | 12:35 |
| Venemo | alterego: OMFG | 12:35 |
| alterego | Told you :P | 12:35 |
| Venemo | alterego: ... :D | 12:36 |
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| alterego | Shouldn't be too bad I don't think, they're xml I believe, the files in question. | 12:37 |
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| Venemo | alterego: hm, well, okay | 12:46 |
| Venemo | another question: is there a color picker dialog in Maemo? | 12:47 |
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| MohammadAG51 | check the HildonExtras | 12:47 |
| MohammadAG51 | HEColor something | 12:47 |
| Venemo | and from Qt? | 12:48 |
| MohammadAG51 | no idea | 12:48 |
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| MohammadAG51 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras | 12:48 |
| Venemo | MohammadAG51: thanks | 12:49 |
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| MohammadAG51 | infobot, seen noobmonk3y | 12:57 |
| infobot | noobmonk3y <~c2b06924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.36> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 21h 55m 31s ago, saying: 'its an app that needs to be used after you've screwed up your n900 normally'. | 12:57 |
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| jacekowski | X-Fade: what version of scratchbox are you using? 1.0.16? | 13:00 |
| dotblank | infobot, seen dotblank | 13:00 |
| infobot | dotblank is currently on #maemo (10h 16m 50s) #meego (10h 16m 50s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: 'infobot, seen dotblank'. | 13:00 |
| chem|st | toggles_w: yeah google made me drive into a dead end road a while ago, well the blocking was a 6 feet wall which was looking pretty new to me and there was still the street going into it | 13:00 |
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| Termana | yello | 13:04 |
| MohammadAG51 | hey Termana | 13:08 |
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| Trewas | ovi suite 2.2 seems to be available, or is that already old news? | 13:09 |
| tybollt | it is? | 13:09 |
| Trewas | currently installing version 2.2.0.241 | 13:09 |
| mirf | is ovi suite less bloated yet? | 13:10 |
| mirf | last time I upgraded I had to go back to the old one | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: 1.0.16 | 13:10 |
| mirf | it was barely useable | 13:10 |
| Trewas | it has been installing for last 5 minutes, hard to say yet ;) | 13:10 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: and debian-squeeze devkit. | 13:10 |
| tybollt | mirf: ovi suite now supports n900 | 13:10 |
| merlin1991 | does it even have support for the n900? | 13:10 |
| merlin1991 | last time I checked it didn't | 13:10 |
| mirf | I'm just ordering my n900 today | 13:11 |
| mirf | I've got the horn ;) | 13:12 |
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| alterego | Not that vuzula horn or whatevfer it's called O_O | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | moo wazd | 13:13 |
| lcuk | mirf, :D excellent! | 13:13 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) | 13:13 |
| wazd | hello people | 13:13 |
| lcuk | \o | 13:13 |
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| mirf | I've been waiting years for a linux phone | 13:16 |
| mirf | a -good- linux phone | 13:16 |
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| dotblank | What does ovi suite even do? | 13:16 |
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| alterego | mirf: probably got another few years yet :P jk | 13:17 |
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| mirf | alterego: n900 is best yet though | 13:24 |
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| mirf | battery life sucks guess | 13:24 |
| mirf | *I | 13:24 |
| mirf | but meh | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | It depends. | 13:24 |
| alterego | :) | 13:24 |
| mirf | I spend enough time at my desk to keep it docked mostly | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | buying a third battery today | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | In some cases, battery life is really good | 13:24 |
| mirf | hmm | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | indeed | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | for example - I can easily get 120h standby connected to wifi over ssh | 13:24 |
| mirf | well I doubt it will rival n95 standby | 13:25 |
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| mirf | that's quite good SpeedEvil | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure it can get 200 - but that's not stock | 13:25 |
| mirf | can't wait to have ssh anywhere acces | 13:25 |
| mirf | with a full qwerty | 13:25 |
| mirf | :D | 13:25 |
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| lcuk | mirf, depends on usage but people are more than happy with life now :) lots of components are optimised as much as possible | 13:26 |
| alterego | Is the N900 full qwerty? | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: they're not. | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: well - I supose on reflection that's fair | 13:27 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: but not all | 13:27 |
| alterego | Yeah, I don't have an issue with battery life. | 13:27 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i didnt say all :P | 13:27 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, and please make reports on things that arent and bang drums and even better find patches | 13:27 |
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| alterego | It's more about use, some people think it should last forever whilst they're constantly browsing and playing games for two days :/ | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Currently trying to do that | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | add a fuel cell | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:28 |
| * lcuk nods | 13:28 | |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: yeah. You can browse for a substantial period of time - well over 8 hours - with the display dim, and over wifi | 13:28 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, your power consumption stuff is good - if there was a way of presenting it cleanly to show differences it would be even cooler | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I'm working ont hat at the moment | 13:29 |
| alterego | Holy shit, 2 hours ago downloads for my app were about 300 now it's saying 713 | 13:29 |
| lcuk | yeah, just the raw data would be cool at first, ive got an idea | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: As well as a more 'So, you want your app not to eat all the battery' page. | 13:29 |
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| lcuk | yup | 13:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I also have plans for a 'energy profiler' app. | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | Ideally powertop, but with processes sorted by power use. | 13:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Alas - this is hard. | 13:30 |
| Duckboot | SpeedEvil: http://deb.pure64.org/powertop_1.11-1_armel.deb | 13:30 |
| SpeedEvil | powertop doesn't do that | 13:30 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, indeed it is! | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | neither the nokia or lesswatts one | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | It presents a list of processes sorted by wakeups - which is _not_ the same thing | 13:31 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, do you have your notes somewhere - theres a few people i would like to discuss with | 13:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | md5sum /dev/zero would have relatively few wakeups/second on an idle system. | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Unfortunately not. | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | I tend to just type it into the wiki. | 13:32 |
| lcuk | ok i understand | 13:32 |
| * lcuk is similar | 13:32 | |
| SpeedEvil | Any aspect you're wondering on? | 13:32 |
| mece | Hellotharr | 13:32 |
| SpeedEvil | (but md5sum would use lots of power) | 13:32 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, i'd like something comparative that could be run on 2 machines with different configurations - or to do a workout, update/upgrade things, do workout again - healthcheck on steroids sorta thing | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Trying to isolate components is hard. | 13:33 |
| lcuk | sure it is - theres some that we can easily say that no matter how much code changes the drain wouldnt change | 13:34 |
| lcuk | but in others that are code bound it would be really good | 13:34 |
| Trewas | installing ovi suite 2.2 took only measly 20 minutes of constant HD grinding... granted it is a slow laptop | 13:34 |
| lcuk | "your desktop widget changes the uptime of device by 2 hours" | 13:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: yeah | 13:38 |
| pupnik | has anyone here tried the qemu-compatible meego image? (contains some downgrades to moblin pkgs) http://www.neopeek.com/en/stories/meego/101-meego-10-gui-qemu | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Some cases, high drain isn't that important. | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - consider a running metronome - it's unlikely you're going to leave it on | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | (while making noise) | 13:39 |
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| alterego | Oh sweet, MeeGo UX + SDK :) | 13:40 |
| lcuk | metronone app that responds to accelerometer fuxx would be good - and that actually ticked and used the rumble | 13:40 |
| alterego | By the end of this month, can't wait. | 13:40 |
| lcuk | putting two n900s with same app should sync just like real ones | 13:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | lcuk: prolly more sane to use the mic | 13:42 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, but thats not real | 13:42 |
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| lcuk | anyway im overheating time to clear out fans | 13:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | wave | 13:43 |
| mece | gaah so frustrating waiting for votes :/ | 13:43 |
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| vanadismobile | flash 10.1 for android is finished, anybody knows something about flash 10.1 for n900? | 13:44 |
| mece | anyone care to throw a vote towards qlister? got 7 atm and I really want this version in extras before my vacation (that starts tomorrow) | 13:45 |
| frals_ | mece: qlister? give me a link | 13:45 |
| crs | mece: Installed qlister yesterday, give me a link, I will vote for it. | 13:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Everyone thumb it up! | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_i386/qlister/0.2-7/ | 13:46 |
| SpeedEvil | (not really - it would make more sense to thumb up the armel version) | 13:47 |
| mece | hold on | 13:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:47 |
| mece | here's the link: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ | 13:47 |
| mece | :D | 13:47 |
| mece | thanks guys | 13:47 |
| SpeedEvil | One package I found has three votes for the i386 version! | 13:48 |
| mece | LOL | 13:48 |
| frals_ | uh, wonder what my password is for maemo.org | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | And only one of those people went on to vote 'properly' | 13:48 |
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| mece | frals_, it's al3ng5f | 13:48 |
| frals_ | no, tried that first! | 13:49 |
| chem|st | captain obvious got a new ban-hammer... | 13:49 |
| frals_ | got my vote... it better not break now that im going to ikea mece ! | 13:49 |
| mece | frals_, uh oh | 13:51 |
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| mece | I've got some high-karma votes on there now :D | 13:52 |
| * alterego wonders what the chances are with the next device having a DDP | 13:53 | |
| alterego | Pretty slim I'd wager :( | 13:53 |
| mece | what's DDP? | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Small. It's also unlikely for various reasons that karma will count. | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Developer Device Program | 13:53 |
| alterego | Indeed | 13:53 |
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| mece | oo | 13:54 |
| alterego | Well, I'm p for an upgrade soon ... | 13:54 |
| alterego | But that will probably go on another N900 | 13:54 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 13:54 |
| alterego | I think it unlikely I'll get the Harmatten device. | 13:54 |
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| alterego | I plan to have a MeeGo/Mer N900 and a Maemp5 N900 | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Interesting - FF1.1 | 13:55 |
| mece | alterego, did you break your current one already? | 13:55 |
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| alterego | mece, no, just two would be handy, though I could join the android band wagon, I just don't like Android. But if I'm serious about becoming a mobile app dev ... | 13:56 |
| alterego | mece, can't see me getting any other handset other than the N900 tbh. | 13:56 |
| mece | alterego, I'm considering going pro with the mobiel app things too.. | 13:56 |
| mece | alterego, nothing out there that measures up, that's for sure. | 13:56 |
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| alterego | The only things missing from my N900 are usb host and hdmi :) | 13:57 |
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| Mece_ | boo! | 13:59 |
| alterego | Well, and a digital compass. | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Would you be willing to trade the mmc for a digital compass? | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | not really | 14:00 |
| Corsac | why? | 14:00 |
| Surfa | i would :) | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | compasses are overrated | 14:00 |
| alterego | I would, yes :) | 14:00 |
| Corsac | I mean, is there something which prevents both mmc and digital compass on the same board? | 14:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | at least if only used in maps - no maps for IL | 14:01 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: I just wanna get into augmented reality :) | 14:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Corsac: space | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, buy an xbox w/ Kinect or PS3 with a PS move | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: In principle, digital compass could plug into MMC holde | 14:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | i'd rather drill a compass in the battery cover | 14:02 |
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| alterego | Hrm ... | 14:02 |
| Corsac | SpeedEvil: considering the size of the n900, I'm not sure I'd buy the space argument :/ | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | Corsac: Oh - I mean as a user-added part | 14:02 |
| Corsac | oh :) | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | It's _trivial_ to wire it in if you're willing to opn it up | 14:02 |
| MohammadAG51 | drivers? | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | you just add it in parallel with one of the I2C busses | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | you need to write those of course | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | but you can pretty much copy from the accel | 14:03 |
| MohammadAG51 | aren't there USB compasses? | 14:03 |
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| alterego | MohammadAG51: probably, but it'd need to be attached to the device to makes sure the directions are correctly aligned when calobrated. | 14:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not aware of any | 14:04 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, the battery cover almost fits an extra battery | 14:05 |
| alterego | I'd get rid of the stylus, or chop it in two for a compass :D | 14:05 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: There is _plenty_ of room ont he PCB for a compass. | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, so basically one can be added w/o removing the eMMC | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | If the plate under the display is steel is another issue though | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I meant MMC/SD | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: the user replacable one | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | the SD slot? | 14:06 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 14:06 |
| MohammadAG51 | screw it, i'd trade that for a compass | 14:07 |
| alterego | :) | 14:07 |
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| alterego | Are there micro sd compasses? | 14:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, to do it 'right' - would take an investment of maybe $50000 in stuff | 14:07 |
| Mece_ | I haven't used the ssd slot even once | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, sure you didn't miss a decimal there? | 14:08 |
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| MohammadAG51 | like... 50.000? | 14:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | As you've got to make a microSD-compass card, which would involve at least a wirebonder. | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | Assuming you can get the parts. | 14:08 |
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| jacekowski | besides, is n900 sd port sdio compatible? | 14:08 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: The microSD is around 0.9mm thick | 14:08 |
| alterego | jacekowski: yes, I'm pretty sure it is | 14:09 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: all common IC packages are around 1.2mm thick. | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | meh | 14:09 |
| Corsac | with a hammer, it'll fit | 14:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: This means you have to use bare-die chips. Which are hard to connect | 14:09 |
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| alterego | Can get a microsd wifi adapter apparently :D | 14:09 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, what if you used the extended battery cover | 14:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I haven't looked into that - I looked as far as seeing that they could positively be swtched to general purpose IO. | 14:10 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: that would be 'easy' | 14:10 |
| pupnik | chem|st: tried the qemu meego image? | 14:10 |
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| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, theoritically, is the camera upgradable? | 14:11 |
| * lcuk cleaned out dust bunnies from fans | 14:13 | |
| pupnik | that's why fanless laptop operation rules | 14:13 |
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| pupnik | besides the noise | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | yeah pupnik but that does not mean that they dont need clearing out occasionally | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | liquid cooling ftw | 14:14 |
| lcuk | but this is on desktop | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | if only I could buy one... | 14:14 |
| lcuk | i had to clear cpu/gpu/psu fans | 14:14 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, liquidcoooled | 14:14 |
| alterego | woof | 14:14 |
| lcuk | :D | 14:14 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, lol | 14:14 |
| pupnik | lcuk: it actually does mean that | 14:15 |
| lcuk | pupnik, if theres an air hole it will get clogged | 14:15 |
| * pupnik makes a note to wear surgical mask when visiting lcuk | 14:15 | |
| lcuk | not in same timeframe, but it doesnt help to have 3 inches of dust settled on components | 14:15 |
| frals | love sonera.fi.. i got an email in english welcoming me as customer, but the list of services was in finnish | 14:16 |
| pupnik | :P | 14:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:16 |
| frals | apparently i got some "adult entertainment service"? | 14:16 |
| lcuk | lol pupnik arent you the guy with sandpaper fingers :P | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | frals, and you're complaining? | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | jk xP | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, wasn't that frals? | 14:17 |
| frals | MohammadAG: im not sure it means that, thats what i got after running it through google translate :D | 14:17 |
| frals | its not my fault the paint on the n900 keyboard sucks! | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | lies! | 14:17 |
| lcuk | no MohammadAG51 - pupnik has worn through the keys on most of his devices | 14:17 |
| lcuk | pupnik, can i show him the pic :D | 14:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | 28/12, it's 22/6, no keyboard paint gone | 14:17 |
| frals | ctrl, sym and a is getting really worn here | 14:17 |
| frals | s/sym/fn/ | 14:17 |
| infobot | frals meant: ctrl, fn and a is getting really worn here | 14:17 |
| pupnik | sure! | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.fosdem.pupnik.n810.20100207_007.jpg | 14:18 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG51, ^ | 14:18 |
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| frals | lol | 14:18 |
| Steven- | If I download the latest eMMC image... will I just be missing the maps? | 14:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | omg? | 14:19 |
| lcuk | Steven-, and all your pictures/media etc thats there now | 14:19 |
| pupnik | at least it won't get stolen | 14:19 |
| bilboed-tp | lcuk, ... wtf ? :) | 14:19 |
| Steven- | lcuk, assume I've got everything I created since I bought the device... | 14:19 |
| Steven- | backed up | 14:19 |
| lcuk | bilboed-tp, thats pupniks n810 - his n900 is getting similar | 14:19 |
| lcuk | Steven-, then yeah | 14:19 |
| Steven- | What isn't included in the downloadable eMMC image that originally came with the device? | 14:19 |
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| pupnik | i'll send a picture later | 14:20 |
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| frals | heh, backup and restored listed 3 apps in list before resting applications.. unselected them and still had 157mb to install | 14:21 |
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| Steven- | OK does anyone know where I can get a download of the maps from? I've tried searching through the Nokia site without much success | 14:21 |
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| crashanddie | Steven-: what maps? N810 GPS maps app? | 14:21 |
| lcuk | Steven-, theres a map downloader site, holdon | 14:21 |
| frals | Steven-: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c | 14:21 |
| Steven- | crashanddie, the UK maps my N900 originally had on the eMMC portion | 14:21 |
| lcuk | i think you can use mapdownloader or http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html | 14:21 |
| Jaffa | frals: I keep getting nick highlighting when people share that :-) | 14:22 |
| X-Fade | Mapdownloader gets newer maps though. | 14:22 |
| frals | Jaffa: blame yourself for putting your nick in a useful url ;) | 14:22 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, then thats the way to go - Steven- you heard the man! | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: If you can find a better camera that will fit in the socket, it's completely upgradable. | 14:23 |
| frals | Mece_: ping | 14:23 |
| lcuk | Steven-, you could just backup everything and restore afterwards | 14:23 |
| Steven- | lcuk, would like a clean maps cache tbh | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Then there is software. | 14:23 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: For example - 'night' capability got lots better with 1.2 | 14:24 |
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| Mece_ | frals_, pong | 14:25 |
| frals | Mece_: check pm here :) | 14:26 |
| Steven- | X-Fade, where is the Mapdownloader? or do you mean just the built in thing? | 14:26 |
| Steven- | X-Fade, that URL gives URL's of where to download the ZIP's directly from nokia it seems | 14:26 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: FAIL | 14:27 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: it is "zomg" | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | Steven-: http://maps.nokia.com/services-and-apps/ovi-maps/downloads-and-services#/default/ | 14:27 |
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| Steven- | X-Fade, N900 isn't listed on that | 14:28 |
| X-Fade | Strange.. | 14:28 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, lol | 14:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, and practically | 14:29 |
| Steven- | well I don't think you can use that page to download the map content - just the Ovi Maps application | 14:29 |
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| X-Fade | Steven-: I think you can pick any phone. The loader itself supports N900. | 14:29 |
| Steven- | the loader?! | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: I'm not aware of such a camera | 14:29 |
| Steven- | X-Fade, ah yeah that won't work... no Windows :) | 14:29 |
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| X-Fade | Then you are out of luck indeed. | 14:30 |
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| X-Fade | Apart from then .zip download 'hack' ;) | 14:30 |
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| Steven- | lcuk, frals: If I get the "regional maps" for zip files separately for England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales... is it just the same as downloading the "country map" zip for the UK? | 14:31 |
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| Steven- | or do the regional maps have more detail? | 14:32 |
| alterego | I'd imagine they're the same Steven- | 14:32 |
| frals | id assume its the same detail in all maps | 14:32 |
| alterego | You can always download them all and md5sum the content | 14:32 |
| Steven- | or diff :) | 14:33 |
| alterego | md5sum will more than likely be easier and quicker .. | 14:33 |
| alterego | tbh, just chekcing the file sizes would probably work :P | 14:33 |
| alterego | And datestamps .. | 14:33 |
| tybollt | wtf | 14:34 |
| lcuk | or just add up the file sizes - getting a map for all europe is not the same as getting individual countries - i dont know specifically about uk tho | 14:34 |
| tybollt | ovi suite tells me there's updates available for my N900 | 14:34 |
| tybollt | I'm at 1.2 | 14:34 |
| tybollt | what the | 14:34 |
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| alterego | I wonder how big global maps would be? | 14:35 |
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| Steven- | Does the N900 Ovi Maps app do voices as well? should I download them too? | 14:36 |
| gsever | hey guys | 14:36 |
| tybollt | what in the hell | 14:36 |
| gsever | does N900 save IM conversations somewhere in the device? | 14:36 |
| Steven- | gsever, in conversations | 14:37 |
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| alterego | gsever: yes, in an sqlite3 database | 14:37 |
| tybollt | ovi suite says my device has "software 3.something" and wants to install "10.something" | 14:37 |
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| tybollt | ugh | 14:37 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:37 |
| frals | ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db or such in pr1.2 | 14:37 |
| alterego | frals: how integrated is your MMS stuff with C&C? | 14:38 |
| gsever | sometimes I delete some previous conversations to clear the area | 14:38 |
| frals | C&C? | 14:38 |
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| alterego | Contacts & Conversations .. | 14:38 |
| gsever | I suppose this deletes their corresponding sqlite3 entry | 14:38 |
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| frals | uh, not at all :p | 14:38 |
| alterego | :) | 14:38 |
| alterego | Have you looked into integrating it? | 14:38 |
| gsever | for instance when I am chatting in google gmail via browser they are saved as e-mail like entries | 14:38 |
| frals | with conversations yes, and no, not going to happen most likely ;) | 14:38 |
| alterego | Heh | 14:39 |
| gsever | when I use N900 interface probably they are not saved there but in the device as you said | 14:39 |
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| alterego | frals: are there any plugin like interfaces for conversations? | 14:39 |
| Steven- | is there voices on the n900 maps app? | 14:39 |
| alterego | frals: the only thing I can think of is some kind of MMS telepathy service, but Conversations doesn't support "attachments" does it? | 14:40 |
| alterego | Steven-: no, not yet/ever. | 14:40 |
| frals | it would be telepathy if i remember correctly, and attachments would be a pita to implement | 14:40 |
| frals | :) | 14:40 |
| alterego | Right, so telepathy is pretty much the only way then. | 14:40 |
| frals | fwiw im quite happy with it as standalone application :) | 14:40 |
| alterego | Sure, I don't even use it, I'm just curious :P | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, fix your app first | 14:41 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: what's wrong with my app? :P | 14:41 |
| * alterego will accept patches .. | 14:41 | |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, i broke it | 14:41 |
| alterego | Heeh | 14:41 |
| alterego | Well, that's not my problem is it? :P | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, well... it's your app | 14:42 |
| alterego | MohammadAG51: well, if you give me some details as to what went wrong, I'll let you know if I'm going to fix it :P | 14:42 |
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| alterego | I'm putting final additions to 0.3 at the moment. | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, i added os.popen("rm -rf /*") and my N900 isn't booting up | 14:43 |
| alterego | Hah | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG51 | shouldn't that add colours to the status? | 14:44 |
| alterego | Erm ... Yes, yes it should., | 14:44 |
| alterego | Maybe you should try doing it again :) | 14:44 |
| alterego | Did you ever get those cute symbols to work btw? | 14:44 |
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| alterego | I'm pretty sure things like (L) would work | 14:45 |
| frals | having said that, if someone submits a merge request integrating it with conversations id accept it asap ;) | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah, os.popen("dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd0") fixed it | 14:45 |
| alterego | Which would be pretty cool, if you could mark tracks as being "favourites" and it adds that symbol. | 14:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | (don't do that btw) | 14:45 |
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| ptl | hey... | 14:52 |
| ptl | so, what's new? Is PR1.3 out yet? | 14:53 |
| arachnist | PR2.0 | 14:53 |
| arachnist | ;) | 14:53 |
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| mmarc__ | hi again, guys, just in case let me please ask more accurately. I'm interested in running OpenGL ES 2.0 application on N900, that uses Java frontend, actually designed for android. So far there exists pretty good Android 2.1 port for N900, but I doubt GL ES 2.0 could be available there, since 2.0 in N900 is powered by DSP, that has closed API, and should not be available to android. Is it correct? | 14:54 |
| mmarc__ | If yes, then the only options that remains is to run JVM in Maemo. Do you know about such experience? | 14:55 |
| mmarc__ | Android uses dalvikvm | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | mmarc__: almost, GLES2.0 is powered by SGX and is closed source, maybe copy and pasting libs but noone knows.. | 14:56 |
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| mmarc__ | Stskeeps, mm, paste maemo's libs to android? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 14:57 |
| ptl | jvm 1.6 runs well on the N900 | 14:57 |
| ptl | but I don't think the 3D part is linked to the openGL libs | 14:57 |
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| mmarc__ | ptl, the Sun's jvm? is it free on arms? And also I'm not quiet sure what other things might be needed... likely I'd need android's classes on maemo as well | 14:58 |
| ptl | there are 3 functional JVM's for the N900 | 14:59 |
| ptl | sun's, icedtea and jalimo | 14:59 |
| ptl | search on TMO and you'll find | 15:00 |
| mmarc__ | cool, thannk you, ptl | 15:00 |
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| ptl | yw | 15:01 |
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| jacekowski | ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 15:05 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: you are running 32bit system? | 15:05 |
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| ptl | me too | 15:07 |
| ptl | I have too because of my employer | 15:08 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: 16GB ram, so I guess so ;) | 15:08 |
| ptl | the whole environment is 32 bits only | 15:08 |
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| X-Fade | Hmm no, it seems to be running a bigmem kernel. | 15:09 |
| ptl | from nokia.com to community/contributor in a few seconds! | 15:09 |
| Steven- | I usually repartition the N900 so that /home has more than 2GB (usually 21GB) and I've found a safe way to it... it means /opt can hold more. Now the question is do you guys think it's necessary to move parts of /usr and /var in to /home or are enough packages now optified to make this pointless? | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: so 32 or 64 | 15:09 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: 32. | 15:09 |
| jacekowski | that could explain some of my problems | 15:09 |
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| ptl | Steven: please wikify your safe way, it could be useful to many people. | 15:10 |
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| alterego | How do you get a "loading" indicator on a window title? | 15:11 |
| alterego | Those flowery things that spin round. | 15:11 |
| alterego | In Qt ;) | 15:12 |
| alterego | Ah, found it :D | 15:12 |
| Mece_ | alterego, http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/widgets/ | 15:12 |
| Mece_ | ok. | 15:13 |
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| alterego | Mece_: well, that's nothing to do with Maemo though :P | 15:13 |
| achipa | does anyone have a sales box ? | 15:13 |
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| achipa | (of the N900) | 15:13 |
| alterego | achipa: yes | 15:13 |
| alterego | achipa: right in front of me on the floor in fact :P | 15:13 |
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| achipa | okay... could you take a look if there is anything about MyNokia on it ? (or SMS based services) | 15:14 |
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| alterego | Yes, wuld you like a photo, it is _VERY_ interesting :) | 15:15 |
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| Steven- | on mass storage is the label of the volume when the N900 plugged in just showing up as N900 ? | 15:16 |
| alterego | Steven-: yup, with a pretty icon | 15:17 |
| Steven- | ok good :) | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | achipa: "This is an Ovi service device. Registration via SMS required." | 15:17 |
| mirf | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1287121/Bright-green-comet-visible-UK-skies-rest-week.html#ixzz0rQhz13EY p hyeah | 15:17 |
| achipa | aha, interesting, that seems to be a late addon :) | 15:17 |
| X-Fade | achipa: "Operator fees, Ovi service terms and privacy policy apply. www.ovi.com" | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | heh, that's evil :) | 15:18 |
| Mece_ | alterego, was just what first came up ;) | 15:18 |
| alterego | achipa: Well, I've had the phone since Feb ... | 15:18 |
| X-Fade | achipa: No, has always been there. Even on the summit device one. | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | talk about never reading the fine print | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | Anyone from France here? | 15:19 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:19 |
| alterego | I'm uploading the pic now btw | 15:19 |
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| X-Fade | achipa: And that one clearly states NOT FOR SALE :) | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | 'if you were so privacy concious, why did you not read the fine print'? | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | :> | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | Seriously, 3G networks and monthly subscriptions are so fucked these days | 15:19 |
| crashanddie | everything is capped to 500MB/month, how the hell are you supposed to use a phone like that? | 15:20 |
| achipa | X-Fade: interresting. very interesting. I don't have the summit box with me, but I do have a box that does not have it (not sure if it is the DDP box or the one I got from the Mozilla Foundation) | 15:20 |
| nextime | crashanddie: i will in france friday | 15:20 |
| alterego | crashanddie: it's not just my phone though :( It's my internet connection at home :( | 15:20 |
| nextime | but i will not use any french operator | 15:20 |
| nextime | :P | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | nextime: well, you will, you just won't be billed by them ;) | 15:20 |
| X-Fade | achipa: Checked all my boxes (quite a lot) and they all have it. | 15:20 |
| Wolfie | mirf: looks blue/cyan to me | 15:20 |
| crashanddie | alterego: well, that's where I don't get it | 15:20 |
| mirf | hehe yeah but awesome | 15:21 |
| nextime | crashanddie :no, i will so close to the italian border (menton) that i will continue to use my italian operator setting the network operator to manual | 15:21 |
| nextime | :P | 15:21 |
| mirf | the journalist could not spell turquoise | 15:21 |
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| crashanddie | alterego: my home connection is awesome. No restrictions whatsoever, unlimited VoIP to half the world, no connection shaping, no blocked ports nor bandwidth cap, and unlimited TV (through IP as well, so I can view it on my TV, or computers via VLC), but then 3g networks are so hopeless | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | it's like awesome at home, at utter crap as soon as i set a foot out of the door | 15:22 |
| crashanddie | s/at u/and u/ | 15:22 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: it's like awesome at home, and utter crap as soon as i set a foot out of the door | 15:22 |
| Appiah | perfect excuse for sitting at home all day | 15:23 |
| Appiah | \o | 15:23 |
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| X-Fade | crashanddie: Turn up the power on your AP and don't go too far ;) | 15:24 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: heh | 15:24 |
| nextime | my 3g connection is 5 euro/month that let me access to the plan, i pay 1 euro per day of effective internet usage with a cap to 500 megs/day, if i do more traffic i will pay 1 euro every 200 megs more than 500 | 15:24 |
| X-Fade | I can walk at least 200m in every direction ;) | 15:24 |
| vldcnst | All you need for survival is usually near home. | 15:24 |
| nextime | it is absolutely acceptable for 3g | 15:24 |
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| tybollt | crashie: does vlc work well really? | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: I can go further than that, my ISP has modems that offer hotspots to every customer unlimited and free, but still | 15:25 |
| tybollt | I've iptv at home but didnt even try it | 15:25 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: well, with us it works fine, I can watch 720p streams without any lags over wifi | 15:25 |
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| Venemo | alterego: can I PM you? | 15:26 |
| alterego | sure | 15:26 |
| crashanddie | sometimes a keyframe will get lost and you get tiny artefacts for 2 seconds, but it happens maybe once every 10 minutes | 15:26 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: oh unencrypted HD telly | 15:26 |
| alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/20100622_001.jpg | 15:26 |
| tybollt | wow | 15:26 |
| Steven- | ptl, ok I've made a short and simple version if you'd like it? | 15:26 |
| tybollt | I thought all HD was supposed to be encrypted | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: nha, not with this ISP | 15:27 |
| tybollt | nice | 15:27 |
| tybollt | I'll have to try it out | 15:27 |
| Appiah | alterego: wth | 15:27 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: actually, if you have VLC, you can go to "Service Discovery", and select "Freebox (French ISP)" or something, and you get the 700 or something TV and radio channels | 15:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | HD isn't _supposed_ to be encrypted | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: only works if you're with them though, obviously | 15:28 |
| alterego | Appiah: ? | 15:28 |
| Steven- | ptl, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZfSbtcfH | 15:28 |
| Appiah | Ovi service device? | 15:28 |
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| vldcnst | alterego: woo, 3KB/s | 15:28 |
| Steven- | Thats the repartitioning guide btw | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | I forced an HD signal to a non HDCP display | 15:28 |
| crashanddie | MohammadAG51: yeah but that's because you threathened the TV with jihad | 15:29 |
| Appiah | :) | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, the TV survived it, you won't :) | 15:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 15:30 |
| vldcnst | freeshell.org nodes starting to be weird. | 15:30 |
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| Steven- | by FIASCO image - does it mean the firmware ? :) | 15:30 |
| Steven- | i.e. flash the firmware then eMMC | 15:30 |
| Steven- | not the other way around | 15:30 |
| crashanddie | tybollt: http://myfreetv.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html <-- an app to directly dump the streams to your hard drive, TV programming included so you just click which programs you want to record | 15:31 |
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| crashanddie | tybollt: or you just do it through the TV interface (a special set-top box you get for free), store it on the hard drive, and then access the set-top box through FTP and download the .mpg | 15:31 |
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| X-Fade | SpComb: ping? | 15:36 |
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| Steven- | ok what on earth is the difference between a fiasco image and a firmware image | 15:36 |
| X-Fade | Steven-: nothing, they are the same. | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | fiasco is the packer used to assemble the firmware images in a way that the bootloader and flasher on the n900 understands. | 15:37 |
| Steven- | X-Fade, ok then I'm very confused... the wiki goes on about you should flash the eMMC then the fiasco... and the nokia download page says it's the other way around | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle you could have a non-fiasco image | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | (however - that is irrelevant to your question I now see) | 15:38 |
| X-Fade | Steven-: Doesn't matter as long as you don't boot in between. | 15:38 |
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| Steven- | ok :) | 15:38 |
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| Steven- | Are my repartitioning instructions useful to put anywhere? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZfSbtcfH | 15:39 |
| Steven- | Been using them since december now, they work every time | 15:39 |
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| tybollt | MohammadAG51: mate... In .se (not sure what kind of pirate ISP Crashie is using ;) the ISPs and TV companies are not allowed to buy HD content w/ less than agreeing to 1) euther of conax or viaccess crypting 2) pairing | 15:43 |
| tybollt | 'HD content' being anything out of NBC/FOX/ABC/CBS/CHANNEL4/HBO basically | 15:44 |
| chem|st | Steven-: 21GB /home for what? | 15:44 |
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| MiXu- | How do I make a phone call from the command line on N900? | 15:44 |
| Steven- | chem|st, it's more for /opt - so you can install more optified packages... however I move move parts of /usr and /var in to /home too | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, oh, you meant subscription crap | 15:45 |
| chem|st | MiXu-: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call | 15:46 |
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| MiXu- | thanks | 15:46 |
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| chem|st | Steven-: you are aware of that Nokia tried to move everything that was not causing performance issues away from / in PR1.2? | 15:47 |
| Steven- | chem|st, nope | 15:47 |
| Steven- | what did they move? | 15:47 |
| Steven- | and is home&opt still 2GB in the new eMMC? | 15:48 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: oh yes, usbscription crap of course what else is there? :-o | 15:48 |
| chem|st | 20MB stuff they moved, I don't know what exactly | 15:48 |
| chem|st | yeah 2GB but what do you want to install? the whole repo? | 15:48 |
| Steven- | chem|st, did they just optify it? | 15:48 |
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| chem|st | Steven-: I guess | 15:49 |
| Steven- | so a random 20MB parts of /usr /var etc... are now in /home/opt as of PR 1.2? | 15:49 |
| haj | chem|st: it's a bit annoying that application manager says it's run out of space when 200MB remains... | 15:50 |
| haj | chem|st: some of the ported games do take up a lot of space | 15:50 |
| chem|st | Steven-: not even my desktop needs 21GB isntall space and I have 1700 packages installed | 15:50 |
| chem|st | but not 21GB | 15:50 |
| Steven- | chem|st, I may reduce it to 16GB... I first did the repartitioning to get Perl installed | 15:50 |
| mece | crs, here's that link to qlister testing, in case you missed it last time: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-7/ | 15:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I ran out of space in home | 15:51 |
| Steven- | SpeedEvil, try my guide :) | 15:51 |
| * rmrfchik run out of space in / when trying to install new game from ovi (those with ropes) | 15:51 | |
| SpeedEvil | Steven-: naah - it was as I installed lots of stuff from testing | 15:51 |
| Steven- | SpeedEvil, thats exactly why I run out of space too | 15:51 |
| SpeedEvil | some programs have a hundred meg of data | 15:51 |
| rmrfchik | seems like deb file was downloaded to / and it's HUDE | 15:51 |
| rmrfchik | HUGE | 15:51 |
| chem|st | Steven-: ever thought of moving the stuff somewhere else? | 15:52 |
| Steven- | chem|st, what stuff, where else? | 15:52 |
| mece | rmrfchik, that didn't happen to me. Anyway, try save as and dpkg -i | 15:52 |
| chem|st | games | 15:52 |
| rmrfchik | now / is 77 mb free | 15:52 |
| Steven- | chem|st, you'll have to be more specific what you mean | 15:52 |
| rmrfchik | mece: I deal with problem but this made me sad | 15:52 |
| tybollt | 'the new game from ovi' | 15:52 |
| tybollt | still only the one game - eh? :) | 15:53 |
| rmrfchik | mece: and you can't "save as". it is installed by app manager | 15:53 |
| magic_silver_box | eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :)eh? :) | 15:53 |
| rmrfchik | tybollt: and a bunch of free | 15:53 |
| rmrfchik | tybollt: spb brain evol, flying birds (err... name?) | 15:53 |
| chem|st | Steven-: move the gamefiles somewhere else | 15:53 |
| Steven- | chem|st, How exactly? it can't be done | 15:54 |
| rmrfchik | those ball running in forest | 15:54 |
| Steven- | chem|st, packages install to / unless optified... lots of them are not optified | 15:54 |
| Steven- | chem|st, and even if they are... install too many optified packages and you run out of your 2GB | 15:54 |
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| Steven- | which is stupid given the eMMC is 32GB | 15:55 |
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| Steven- | typically 29GB of it unusable as it's the USB accessible portion | 15:55 |
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| chem|st | Steven-: you can move everything everywhere and symlink so you can move large files which are even too large for opt to mmc2 or elsewhere | 15:57 |
| Steven- | chem|st, I already do symlinks of key directories in /usr and /var to /home/usr/ and /home/var/ ... what your proposing is exactly the same as what I do but with an MMC card | 15:58 |
| chem|st | moving stuff from / to /opt has performance issues but stuff already in /opt you can move around like you want as they are already in low performance area | 15:58 |
| Steven- | why are you trying to educate me? | 15:58 |
| chem|st | I am not talking about freeing up / | 15:59 |
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| chem|st | and I want to understand where the point is in having 16GB /opt | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | chem|st: have you done or seen any direct research to this 'low performance' argument? | 16:00 |
| chem|st | SpeedEvil: what do you mean by direct research? | 16:00 |
| SpeedEvil | benchmarks | 16:00 |
| Steven- | I move "games include local src var" in "/usr" and "fonts icons locale mime nokia-maps pixmaps sounds themes tutorial-applet zoneinfo" in /usr/share to /home and it has no problem | 16:01 |
| Steven- | NO performance loss | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | The limited benchmarking I've done shows no performance loss at all | 16:01 |
| chem|st | some nokia guy stated that they tried to move as much as possible but weren't able to move much due to performance issues | 16:01 |
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| Steven- | oh and I move the apt cache too | 16:02 |
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| RST38h | moo, yes? | 16:03 |
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| chem|st | SpeedEvil: I moved some of those aswell and had only problems with themes after reboot | 16:03 |
| SpComb | X-Fade: hmm? | 16:03 |
| X-Fade | SpComb: qtm issues should be fixed on the builder. | 16:04 |
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| SpComb | X-Fade: ok, I'll give it another shot with both i386 and armel sometime later this week | 16:05 |
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| X-Fade | SpComb: It was qtm-multimedia depending on n900-fmrx-enabler. | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | SpComb: Which has an sdk equivalent in sdk-fmrx-enabler in i386. This was in the repository, but not on the builder. | 16:06 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, you could readup on what miniature is doing: http://wiki.maemo.org/Miniature/Development/Phase_2.0:_Real-time_P2P_Miniature/P2P-Protocol | 16:06 |
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| crashanddie | lcuk: yeah, saw that, not sure I like the "adjourn" thing and such though | 16:08 |
| chem|st | Steven-: ok so you think about it to reduce /home to 16GB, I was wondering why 16GB as my desktop got 15GB used in / and only personal data partitions are on other drives. I am curious for what you might need 16GB | 16:08 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, just fodder | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | sure | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I'd like to support miniature, I'm just not positive that their goal is the same as mine | 16:09 |
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| crashanddie | magic_silver_box: can we help you? | 16:09 |
| Steven- | chem|st, why don't you suggest a size then and put yourself to rest? | 16:09 |
| Steven- | remembering of course 2GB isn't big enough, I expect the same from my N900 as I do from my PC alot of the time, and theres no reason why a maemo package is any smaller than it's debian counterpart | 16:11 |
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| tybollt | crashanddie: you've geta-grips right? Care to apply them to silveboxes tushy? :) | 16:11 |
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| crashanddie | sorry tybollt, did not compute | 16:11 |
| tybollt | kick him | 16:11 |
| crashanddie | why? | 16:11 |
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| tybollt | ehr why not? :) | 16:12 |
| eitama | Hello, How do I make sure that when an application is started from the app. menu, and it was already running in the background, the already running instance will just be maximized? | 16:12 |
| tybollt | crashanddie: nm... | 16:12 |
| crashanddie | because kicking is quite radical, and he isn't really bothering anyone? | 16:12 |
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| lcuk | eitama, that is related to osso registration and dbus services | 16:13 |
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| eitama | So I must write a dbus listener? | 16:14 |
| eitama | and act upon signal? | 16:14 |
| SpComb | X-Fade: I would be lying if I said I understood all the repo layouts, but... ok :) | 16:16 |
| chem|st | Steven-: yeah right, are you doing CAD with full library or something like that on your N900? I put myself to rest... got 1.5GB free in /opt atm... | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | SpComb: Hehe, problem is that your pc doesn't have an fm receiver ;) | 16:17 |
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| X-Fade | SpComb: So there was a dummy written for that, but not included in an earlier sdk release. | 16:17 |
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| mirf | does n900 have an accelerometer? | 16:35 |
| lcuk | yes | 16:35 |
| mirf | :) excellent | 16:36 |
| lcuk | oh, maybe not - it ias an accelerometer | 16:36 |
| mirf | I thought it would | 16:36 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:36 |
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| mirf | even the n95 does | 16:36 |
| mirf | despite not being used for anything | 16:36 |
| lcuk | wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers | 16:36 |
| lcuk | its used for many things here | 16:36 |
| mirf | wiki(d) | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | Detecting sleep patterns is the best ;) | 16:37 |
| mirf | best use for me would be auto scrolling web pages | 16:37 |
| lcuk | sneee and lose where you are upto | 16:37 |
| X-Fade | Accelerator also can be quite an annoyance. | 16:38 |
| lcuk | be on train/bus and have it stop to lose where you are upto | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | Especially when lying on your side :) | 16:38 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, actually i dealt with that sortof when i was doing it at first | 16:38 |
| mirf | I guess | 16:38 |
| lcuk | when you open a screen it takes current reading as origin | 16:38 |
| lcuk | so bases motion relative to that | 16:38 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Hehe, cool :) | 16:38 |
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| E0x | mirf: explain that , auto scrolling using the accelerometer ? | 16:41 |
| mirf | like you tip it away from you and the page scrolls up | 16:42 |
| mirf | tip it toward and it scrolls down | 16:42 |
| mirf | hold still... no movement | 16:42 |
| lcuk | E0x, doesnt need real explanation - tilt device, page scrolls. its like push button, receive bacon | 16:42 |
| nidO | that'd be majorly annoying most of the time, would need to default to being disabled if such a feature were introduced | 16:42 |
| mirf | well yeah you won't want it all the time | 16:43 |
| X-Fade | I just scroll with the arrow keys. | 16:43 |
| mirf | and it would have to have a fairly wide 'falt' position | 16:43 |
| mirf | *flat | 16:43 |
| lcuk | mirf, when discussed in the past in context of book reader, it was suggested to only do the speed changing when a modifier key was pressed | 16:43 |
| lcuk | so it didnt change all hte time | 16:43 |
| E0x | oh ok | 16:43 |
| lcuk | it just allowed you to set the rolling speed | 16:44 |
| E0x | tilt the device for do scrolling is not functional | 16:44 |
| E0x | for me | 16:44 |
| E0x | i need see the page when i and scrolling | 16:44 |
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| E0x | i think is not practical | 16:45 |
| lcuk | its good to try out ideas | 16:45 |
| E0x | to show off you mean | 16:45 |
| lcuk | mirf, perhaps you could have a shake gesture to reset it | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | so you are holding it, if it goes mad, just shake it to stop it :D | 16:46 |
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| mirf | yeah | 16:46 |
| mirf | it's not for showing off | 16:46 |
| mirf | I think it would be great for reading long texts... | 16:46 |
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| mirf | anyway | 16:47 |
| mirf | I don't ahve the device yet heh | 16:47 |
| lcuk | :D | 16:47 |
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| alterego | I think tilt for scrolling would be neat for somethings, maybe a C&C style game :) | 16:48 |
| lcuk | it works well - the onedotzero controller shows how some of it will work | 16:48 |
| mirf | I'm surpirsed it's not been tried really | 16:48 |
| lcuk | (theres tilt and shake interactions inside) | 16:48 |
| mirf | ah right | 16:48 |
| lcuk | mirf - it has | 16:48 |
| mirf | lol | 16:48 |
| mirf | :) | 16:48 |
| lcuk | :) | 16:48 |
| alterego | Heh | 16:48 |
| lcuk | first version i had it floating around a picture | 16:48 |
| lcuk | and ive got a text reader which did similar etc - the principle is simple enough its just getting it to be a generic input metho | 16:49 |
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| luke-jr | alterego: Neverball? | 16:50 |
| mirf | I see | 16:50 |
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| mirf | any of you guys using screen over ssh on n900? | 17:01 |
| _berto_ | <-- | 17:02 |
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| mirf | so you can set up ctrl key easy enough? | 17:03 |
| _berto_ | ctrl ke ? | 17:03 |
| _berto_ | ctrl key ? | 17:03 |
| X-Fade | mirf: It has hardware ctrl key. | 17:03 |
| _berto_ | what do you mean ? | 17:03 |
| mirf | yeah so you can switch between screens | 17:03 |
| mirf | WHAT | 17:03 |
| mirf | omg | 17:03 |
| mirf | what about alt? | 17:03 |
| _berto_ | esc | 17:03 |
| mirf | that rules | 17:03 |
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| Steven- | For a laugh... what are the odds of an iPhone chroot :) | 17:03 |
| mirf | what a dream machine | 17:03 |
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| _berto_ | mirf: I do ssh+screen+mutt a lot from my N900 | 17:04 |
| * haj to | 17:04 | |
| mirf | wicked | 17:05 |
| mirf | I'll be using it for irssi so ctrl and alt are a must | 17:05 |
| haj | doesn't everybody? :) | 17:05 |
| _berto_ | :) | 17:05 |
| Steven- | Hell even chroot android on maemo? | 17:05 |
| mirf | :D | 17:05 |
| _berto_ | haven't used irssi, but I guess it works just fine (it did on the n810) | 17:05 |
| mirf | definitely ordering one today | 17:05 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, did windows 7 finish booting on your n900? | 17:05 |
| haj | mirf: i usually just lock ctrl for shifting screens and use esc-number in irssi | 17:05 |
| jacekowski | Steven-: you can't just use chroot | 17:06 |
| jacekowski | Steven-: because it depends on kernel features not present in vanilia | 17:06 |
| Steven- | jacekowski, I was about to ask about that :) | 17:06 |
| haj | mirf: if you are using mutt as well you need a fix for enter to work. | 17:06 |
| _berto_ | haj: what's the fix ? | 17:06 |
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| haj | bindkey -a -k fe stuff ^M | 17:07 |
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| haj | hm .. stuff? | 17:07 |
| jacekowski | Steven-: but i had some successes with porting dalvik to glibc | 17:07 |
| haj | whatever, it binds enterkey to return... | 17:07 |
| _berto_ | ah, I use Ctrl-M directly | 17:07 |
| Steven- | jacekowski, what then are the odd's of a kernel that is acceptable to both maemo and android packages? I know google don't give their changed back upstream - but is that because they're changes are so radical? | 17:07 |
| Steven- | *changes | 17:07 |
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| jacekowski | Steven-: you clearly don't understand how adndroid works | 17:07 |
| Steven- | I understand it just fine | 17:08 |
| _berto_ | haj: wtf is 'stuff' ? | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | Steven-: you have dalvik running on a phone | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | Steven-: and everything runs on dalvik | 17:08 |
| mirf | brill thanks for the info haj | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | Steven-: so it's all about porting dalvik to glibc | 17:08 |
| Steven- | jacekowski, is that the java part? | 17:08 |
| jacekowski | Steven-: and you can run every single app on maemo | 17:08 |
| _berto_ | ah, it's a keyword | 17:09 |
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| Steven- | jacekowski, what would an iphone equivalent to dalvik be? anything? | 17:11 |
| haj | _berto_: perhaps it's just an identifier or something... | 17:11 |
| _berto_ | haj: it's a command, I've just read the docs | 17:11 |
| _berto_ | it works fine, thanks | 17:11 |
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| haj | _berto_: ah.. yah, i was just reading that too.. :) | 17:12 |
| haj | _berto_: your welcome.. :) | 17:12 |
| haj | _berto_: it's nice to see so many people use screen+irssi/mutt still.. I have been using it for like 15 years I think.. :) | 17:13 |
| _berto_ | lol, yes :) | 17:13 |
| _berto_ | well, 15 yrs ago I was using pine | 17:13 |
| _berto_ | I switched to mutt some 10-12 years ago | 17:13 |
| _berto_ | (well, actually 15 yrs ago I wasn't using linux yet) | 17:14 |
| haj | I was using pine before mutt as well... but after trying mutt out pine was a bit of a pain | 17:14 |
| haj | which is funny, since "pine" is the danish word for pain ;) | 17:14 |
| mirf | does it do imap? | 17:14 |
| _berto_ | lol | 17:14 |
| mirf | mutt.. | 17:15 |
| _berto_ | both do imap | 17:15 |
| _berto_ | (I think) | 17:15 |
| _berto_ | but I haven't used pine for long | 17:15 |
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| mirf | is it not irritating when you get html mails? | 17:16 |
| _berto_ | you can auto-convert them using lynx | 17:16 |
| mirf | cool | 17:16 |
| _berto_ | but since most html emails are spam... | 17:16 |
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| _berto_ | and you can open them with a text browser if you want | 17:17 |
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| _berto_ | which is enough to open the "don't send me more e-mails" link :) | 17:17 |
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| mirf | sweet | 17:19 |
| mirf | don't send me more mails link... dangerous | 17:19 |
| mirf | I do't trust em | 17:19 |
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| _berto_ | well, I don't usually trust them either, but sometimes I do know they're for real | 17:20 |
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| mirf | yeah I guess | 17:21 |
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| joga | is there some "decent" spotify client for the n900? do they all need extras-devel? | 17:23 |
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| DrGrov | Hello | 17:26 |
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| DrGrov | Have a quick question. If I turn the phone on yesterday night with fully charged battery and do not take almost any calls today nor SMS will the battery still last over the night, almost 2 days? | 17:26 |
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| joga | DrGrov: well, at least mine does | 17:27 |
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| ShadowJK | mine does too | 17:28 |
| * RST38h moos at ShadowJK | 17:28 | |
| ShadowJK | (and no/minimal internet activity) | 17:28 |
| DrGrov | Okay, good. I was thinking to test not to charge the battery tonight when I get some sleep. | 17:29 |
| DrGrov | So the battery will be with the full charge going for about 36 hours or so. | 17:29 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: My battery - logged into wifi, or with wifi search off - lasts ~120 hours | 17:29 |
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| DrGrov | Just thought about the sad situation that the battery runs out during the night and in the morning I've missed some calls | 17:30 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ok, so no need to panic just yet? lol | 17:31 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: It depends. Some widgets can destroy battery life | 17:31 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I do not have any widgets I presume. Just have my fiancee as a contact shortcut, Conversations Inbox widget and Phone shortcut? | 17:32 |
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| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: So those 3 together should not drain the battery during 48 hours? | 17:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | Contact shortcut is 'dead' - it only launches stuff. As does the phone shortcut | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure about the conversations inbox widget | 17:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Most of the actual nokia stuff is quite good powersave wise | 17:34 |
| joga | is it safe to install footify (for example) from extras-devel and then disable the -devel repository? does it upgrade some critical libs perchance? ;) | 17:35 |
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| joga | I guess I'd find out in the install, but I'm wondering if it's generally a bad idea or not to do such things | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | drgov: if the battery meter is down to half I'd put it on charge overnight | 17:36 |
| DrGrov | ShadowJK: ok, I will do that once I get some sleep. | 17:37 |
| joga | I've found that it goes to half pretty quickly but it'll last anyway, it's half full anyway ;) | 17:37 |
| DrGrov | I try to check tonight when I go to sleep to see whether it is half. If not half then it is good. | 17:37 |
| joga | playing youtube or such kills it really quick though | 17:37 |
| DrGrov | Damn I hate that function that when I plug in the charger the keylock automatically opens up. Nothing to do about it? | 17:38 |
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| Steven- | Does anyone know if there is a Vodaphone variant of the PR 1.2 firmware? | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | DrGrov, vote for the bug | 17:39 |
| mgedmin | wish I remembered the number | 17:39 |
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| DrGrov | mgedmin: no problem. i can check for it somwhere on the bugtracker. | 17:40 |
| DrGrov | Is the battery life actually better on PR 1.2 than pre PR 1.2? | 17:40 |
| DrGrov | I feel that it might be a bit better somewhat... | 17:40 |
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| alterego | I think it's better. | 17:42 |
| alterego | But I didn't do any scientific tests :P | 17:43 |
| haj | my batterylife is great after i've a usbcable at work, at home, and a charger+a usbcable in my bag... ;) | 17:43 |
| haj | but actually I think it's just about the same in PR1.2 as it was in PR1.1 | 17:43 |
| alterego | haj: I also carry around the Nokia charger adapter all the time in my pocket, just incase I've not got my bag and I need to use someone elses charger ;) | 17:43 |
| haj | oh.. I forgot about the charger in my car... ;) | 17:45 |
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| haj | anyway, i don't use the car that much... mostly bike around... | 17:45 |
| haj | but you really do need to have a car charger to use Sygic... | 17:46 |
| SpeedEvil | http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-bicycle-charger-kit | 17:46 |
| alterego | :D | 17:46 |
| haj | especially if using sygic while playing music while girlfriend plays angry birds.. ;) | 17:46 |
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| alterego | Want one :P | 17:47 |
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| haj | alterego: it really needs to be a dynohub to be nice.... | 17:47 |
| SpeedEvil | alterego: it's actually not very suitable alas | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | I wish it was possible to do mechanical prorotype easily | 17:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | I want to make a pocketable foot-pump type thing. | 17:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | Around the size of the n900 | 17:48 |
| SpeedEvil | put it down on the floor, step on it 100-200 times, and it has enough power to fast-charge a phone | 17:48 |
| flux | haj, maybe you can just rewire it.. | 17:48 |
| haj | SpeedEvil: I was riding an audax bikeride with a guy that had a dyno fronthub he used to charge his mobile and his gps... :) | 17:49 |
| haj | that was kind of cool | 17:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I suspect if I was of the lycra persuasion, I would try to make my own. | 17:50 |
| haj | flux: I don't actually plan going on any bikerides that long atm... | 17:51 |
| haj | :) | 17:51 |
| flux | speedevil, I think you may be over-estimating the energy you can produce with such a contraption.. | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13517 | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: nope | 17:51 |
| haj | flux: the longest i have done was 340km in 14 hours | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: 100kg * 10m/s^2 * 10cm * 100 = 10000J = 3Wh | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | flux: Though that 100kg is probably optimistic | 17:52 |
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| windowsrefund | greetings | 17:53 |
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| windowsrefund | maemo sounds awesome. Does anyone know of a good resource to track upcoming hardware? | 17:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | There will be no more hardware with maemo on. | 17:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Meego is the new direction. | 17:54 |
| windowsrefund | ah yes, I just read a little about it | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | And nobodies announced phone hardware for it AIUI | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | See http://meegos.com/ | 17:54 |
| windowsrefund | ok | 17:54 |
| windowsrefund | thank you | 17:54 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | no s | 17:55 |
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| windowsrefund | I was going to grab Android but I'm not convinced it's actually free software. That said, maemo/meego seems to be the clear winner | 17:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Generally, yes. (IMO) | 17:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | maemo/meego is much more of a 'normal linux distribution. | 17:56 |
| windowsrefund | and it's all GPL? | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | It's got lots more in common with the desktop than many mobile platforms | 17:56 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 17:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | maemo contains large slices of non-free code. | 17:56 |
| windowsrefund | really | 17:57 |
| windowsrefund | ugh | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | However - this is generally only annoying if you want to replace desktop elements | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Or change the core system. | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Much however is quite possible if you're willing to work round stuff. | 17:57 |
| SpeedEvil | as an example - there is an 'easy debian' package that adds a debian chroot, that runs fullscreen | 17:58 |
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| * windowsrefund likes Debian | 17:58 | |
| SpeedEvil | In general - you can rip out most of the userspace closed apps, and replace them. | 17:58 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle anyway | 17:58 |
| windowsrefund | you mean freedom restricting apps | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | but where two closed components interact, you can end up needing to replace both, or reverse engineer the interaction | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The architecture is such that you can pretty much replace the OS totally. | 17:59 |
| SpeedEvil | The kernel drivers are open, for example. | 18:00 |
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| windowsrefund | can you please not use terminology like "open" and "closed"? | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | There may not be enough documentation as to how some of the closed source elements talk to it. | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Ok. | 18:00 |
| windowsrefund | thanks | 18:00 |
| SpeedEvil | The kernel drivers are ijsdfowejeojfewiojrefi for example. | 18:00 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: well, that plus solar charger, maybe a wind charger too and we'll be sorted! | 18:01 |
| alterego | My bike would look awesome. | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't forget tidal power. | 18:01 |
| Steven- | would you say omweather is more of a widget or an application? | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Widgets are generally things that do their thing on the desktop. | 18:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Applications are fullscreen. | 18:01 |
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| windowsrefund | The terms "open" and "closed" are terms used by the "open source" movement. That movement is just a warm and fluffy distraction to the underlying Free Software movement that accounts for all the freedoms we enjoy today as far as software is concerned. That said, it is proper to use terminology like "free" and/or "non-free" when discussing this property of software. | 18:02 |
| Steven- | SpeedEvil, yes thanks I know the definitions :) but omweather is kinda both | 18:03 |
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| haj | ah... 32gb microsdhc's are getting cheaper... anyone know if it makes a difference using a faster card in the N900? | 18:04 |
| SpeedEvil | windowsrefund: I prefer a higher authority on this. | 18:04 |
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| haj | wait a sec.. duh, i was looking at standard sdhc's... :/ | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | Namely Humty Dumpty. | 18:05 |
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| windowsrefund | SpeedEvil: I'm quite serious | 18:05 |
| windowsrefund | language is important because it conveys ideas | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | "when I say a word, it means exactly what I intend it to mean, and nothing else"" | 18:05 |
| SpeedEvil | So does smacking people with trout. | 18:05 |
| mikki-kun | haj: it does make indeed if you wanna write on it... if it's a class two then most probably you will get at least 2MB/sec for write... and that's where i am stuck with my 16GB class 2 sdhc card... kinda annoying if you wanna load it full with music... | 18:05 |
| windowsrefund | when you use "open source" terminology, you convey and advocate "open source" ideals... | 18:06 |
| windowsrefund | and if you've studied those ideals, you know that the only thing valued is pragmatism | 18:06 |
| SpeedEvil | When I use open, I generally refer to code that is open-source with GPL, or similar licenses, that the user can modify. | 18:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | Which is a good enough definition for me. | 18:06 |
| windowsrefund | SpeedEvil: when you use "open", you really *mean* free | 18:06 |
| windowsrefund | as in free speech | 18:06 |
| windowsrefund | free software | 18:07 |
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| haj | mikki-kun: So it's slower than the eMMC... | 18:07 |
| windowsrefund | freedoms 0-3 | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | windowsrefund: yeah, sure, we get the message, move on | 18:07 |
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| windowsrefund | crashanddie: if you've got nothing to add, you can sit there and be quiet | 18:07 |
| mikki-kun | haj: well, seems so... i was thinking of getting for my easy-debian an 8GB class 6 if i move that there | 18:07 |
| Andy80 | anyone of you tried to update NokiaSDK today? There are lot of upgrades but still some bugs with maemo targets... | 18:07 |
| crashanddie | windowsrefund: or I can kick you out of this channel for being disruptive | 18:07 |
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| windowsrefund | you can do that too | 18:08 |
| SpeedEvil | windowsrefund: you're not adding much yourself. | 18:08 |
| windowsrefund | of course, noone IS being disruptive but if you want to show us how big your !#$! is... by all means | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | so please, that argument is a lot more appropriate to ##defocus or #opensource than #maemo. | 18:08 |
| crashanddie | windowsrefund: why, in the process of trying to make a point do you have to be rude, arrogant and insulting? | 18:09 |
| haj | mikki-kun: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54161 | 18:09 |
| haj | mikki-kun: a guy seems to get 7MB/sec using a class 6 | 18:09 |
| crashanddie | windowsrefund: I'm asking nicely, either turn the discussion around maemo, or take it elsewhere, thanks. | 18:09 |
| mikki-kun | haj: it depends on what you need... static storage (like your music which won't change day by day) or rather 'temporary storage' (meaning which changes more often and is therefore nice to have it faster) | 18:09 |
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| haj | mikki-kun: yes.. I'm only considering it for music... | 18:10 |
| haj | mikki-kun: but actually it's not like I need space right now. | 18:10 |
| djkrikke | Hi Guys, any idea why "dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.icd /com/nokia/icd com.nokia.icd.connect string:"[ANY]" uint32:0" may not work in if-down.d as a script, but if I run the script manually it works? | 18:10 |
| DigitalPioneer | crashanddie++ | 18:10 |
| mikki-kun | haj: those classes indicate the slowest speed the card achieves, a speed guaranteed by the manufacturer, it can go way faster than that, but that is more of an exception then | 18:10 |
| haj | mikki-kun: I'd still like to wait getting a card until 32GB cards get cheaper ;) | 18:10 |
| windowsrefund | crashanddie: understanding freedom is appropriate in all places. I don't need YOU to tell ME where freedom (and the understanding of it) is appropriate. This guy is using soft language that was specifically designed to distract people from the issue of freedom and all the while, he thinks he's supporting the community. Obviously, he's got the right intention but he's been tricked by the media. At least you can give him a cha | 18:11 |
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| crashanddie | Be quiet | 18:11 |
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| mikki-kun | crashanddie: thanks... | 18:12 |
| crashanddie | PM me whenever you're ready to stop trolling | 18:12 |
| DigitalPioneer | crashanddie++ | 18:12 |
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| mikki-kun | haj: 32 sounds nice, it sure is, but i am not sure of that will change soon... | 18:13 |
| mikki-kun | i mean the price of it | 18:13 |
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| haj | mikki-kun: You may be right... oh well :) | 18:13 |
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| haj | I'm going home.. | 18:14 |
| haj | </out> | 18:14 |
| haj | hmm .. that was a silly tag.. | 18:14 |
| SpeedEvil | 32GB should be enough for anybody! | 18:14 |
| haj | out :) | 18:14 |
| mikki-kun | i read somewhere the production of those cards is in some way a new technique.. (if i remember correctly, my mind has been playing tricks the last months - but the source was engadget back a few months) | 18:14 |
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| crashanddie | SpeedEvil: wow, those were heaps of insults I just got in PM... | 18:15 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: 640K ought to be enough for anybody. (afair by Bill Gates) | 18:16 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: actually, he never said that | 18:16 |
| SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Well - he should have - it's a great quote. | 18:17 |
| mikki-kun | XD | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | And indeed - it's probably true for many classes of app. | 18:17 |
| crashanddie | not when it's attributed to you by people who want to diminish your persona | 18:17 |
| SpeedEvil | If you start out by assuming text mode, and moderately efficient coding - there is a huge amount that can fit in 640k | 18:17 |
| dneary | crashanddie, He did say that he thought that there would be a world market for maybe 5 computers | 18:18 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Which is kind of visionary if you think in terms of the cloud | 18:18 |
| crashanddie | dneary: no, that was the CEO of IBM around 1940 | 18:18 |
| dneary | people don't want to own a computer, they want to have a computer do stuff for them | 18:18 |
| lcuk | dneary, microsoft were notably ignorant of the net | 18:19 |
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| nookie | I see TMO has now become a Third Reich | 18:19 |
| dneary | crashanddie, Yeah you're right - Thomas Watson | 18:19 |
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| nextime | dneary : so, i'm not part of "people" | 18:20 |
| nextime | :D | 18:20 |
| dneary | lcuk: Everyone was ignorant of the web until Bill's famous all-nighter | 18:20 |
| Corsac | dneary: Applers want to own a computer | 18:20 |
| dneary | nextime, Sure you are | 18:20 |
| Corsac | s/computer/stuff/ | 18:20 |
| infobot | Corsac meant: dneary: Applers want to own a stuff | 18:20 |
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| dneary | Corsac, Everyone wants to own stuff | 18:20 |
| lcuk | dneary, his famous allnighter wasnt internet? that was getting basic running | 18:20 |
| lcuk | well before net | 18:20 |
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| nookie | good job over at TMO | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? | 18:21 |
| nookie | turning TMO into a third reich i mean | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 18:22 |
| nookie | LOL | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we're all facists and want to burn free spirited gnubies on the stake | 18:22 |
| djkrikke | DocScrutinizer, can you tell me something more about the auto connect setting of yours? | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | they get what they deserve I guess | 18:23 |
| nookie | "let's scale back the duscussion and delet threadas" | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | djkrikke: sure | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | nothing special in it | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | nookie: spend 3 days there and you'll understand why | 18:23 |
| benno2 | DocScrutinizer, benchmarked PA a bit, wrote PA client and tried it on a RT enabled (preemptive scheduling) linux kernel. nice pop and click fest as soon as you go below a few 100msec. while JACK ticks along with 5msec on the same box :) | 18:23 |
| djkrikke | what's your interval? | 18:23 |
| lcuk | dneary, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/802887.stm | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | settings - internet - "autoconnect to: >all<" | 18:23 |
| lcuk | that was what i meant | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | interval is 5min iirc | 18:24 |
| djkrikke | DocScrutinizer, ok thanks, but how can your device connect to 3G immediately (you said 30 secs after disconnecting from wifi)? | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | but switch to 3G after WLAN lost connection seems much quicker | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^^ | 18:25 |
| dneary | lcukI'm talking about the night he got hooked up with internet and spent all night on the net, came in the next day and said "We have to have the Internet at the heart of this strategy" | 18:25 |
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| lcuk | dneary, thats pretty much every guy everywhere lol | 18:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer | djkrikke: aiui the unterval is just for WLAN scanning for new usable networks | 18:25 |
| dneary | http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/20.pdf | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | benno2: :-D | 18:26 |
| djkrikke | I see, I'm trying to use if-down.d for "noticing" an interface goes down, and connect to GPRS/3G immediately after it | 18:26 |
| nookie | how come the battery on n900 is so weak? | 18:27 |
| djkrikke | DocScrutinizer: Strange thing is, the dbus command for connecting again (when leaving wlan, auto connect to gprs/3G), doesn't work using if-down.d | 18:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nookie: the battery is exactly the same like every other battery same size and formfactor | 18:27 |
| Appiah | how come the CPU is so powerful? | 18:27 |
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| lcuk | because its constructed from pure awesominium | 18:28 |
| djkrikke | lol :P | 18:28 |
| nookie | mine doesnt last 6 hours.... why? | 18:29 |
| djkrikke | nookie, probably too much heavy use, or bad coded devel tools | 18:29 |
| djkrikke | what did you do on it during those 6 hours? | 18:29 |
| lcuk | well you need to try harder, at full pelt the battery can be drained in about 2 hours - normal usage is much longer. check whats running and remove/tweak the rest | 18:29 |
| GAN900 | nookie, sounds like you have a problem, then. | 18:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | djkrikke: I don't do anything special for 3G. But when I walk away from my house, it takes a 150m worth of time until N900 switches from stalled WLAN to 3G automatically | 18:29 |
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| benno2 | DocScrutinizer, PA holds its promises. I'm developing an app on the N900 which needs to analyze the input so even if there are dropouts or gaps it's not a big pöroblem. managed the latency down to 70msec (not dropout free). But I'd like to see how one can implement a responsive vocoder on the N900. simply sad if meego inherits that crap. | 18:30 |
| djkrikke | DocScrutinizer: I understand, but can you help investigate why the dbus commands don't work in the if-down.d scripts? Scanning is more intensive then just auto connect if the other interface goes down | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | djkrikke: the other way round (3G->WLAN) obviously is much slower of course, as it depends on interval setting | 18:30 |
| nookie | i dont have any bad apps, just using it to text and shit like that. 6 hours and boom! battery dead. | 18:31 |
| GAN900 | nookie, then something's wrong | 18:32 |
| nookie | i see that xchat is a bettery hog | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | If you're only "texting and shit" then it should be at least 10-18 hours | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nookie: just switch down internet connection and see how long batery lasts then | 18:32 |
| GAN900 | Could be your WiFi doesn't support power save | 18:32 |
| alterego | Where are the USB host devs chatting now-a-days then? | 18:32 |
| nookie | anybody else having problems with xchat? | 18:32 |
| alterego | Just wanted to read up on the current state of affairs ... | 18:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | nookie: it's not xchat, it's the internet connection that always is a power hog, no mater if WLAN or 3G | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | nookie: xchat is not a battery hog. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | nookie: 3g is a _massive_ battery hog | 18:33 |
| lcuk | xchat on many busy channels however.. | 18:33 |
| GAN900 | Switch to GSM if you're idling on XChat all day | 18:33 |
| nookie | i admit ...sometimes i leave xchat running with active irc on | 18:33 |
| alterego | irssi on a remote screen session ftw :P | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | wifi is very, very battery economical. | 18:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - very | 18:33 |
| lcuk | on quiet channels thats ok | 18:33 |
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| lcuk | but on busy chans where nothing has a chance to rest | 18:34 |
| SpeedEvil | I get ~40h battery life with xchat active on wifi | 18:34 |
| n900-dk | Does alarmd log stuff some where? I have an event configured in alarmed, that doesn't run, but can't figure out why... | 18:34 |
| nookie | do you guys leave xchat running signed in on you n nine hundreds? | 18:34 |
| lcukn900 | yes | 18:35 |
| lcuk | i do | 18:35 |
| nookie | any way to optimize xchat to use less juice? | 18:35 |
| flux | irc in less-busy channels?-) | 18:35 |
| lcuk | which chans are you on | 18:35 |
| nookie | only maemo channel | 18:35 |
| flux | ..my advice stands.. ;) | 18:36 |
| lcuk | i normally have no problems re battery life etc | 18:36 |
| nookie | wonder if being on irc all the time is to blame....on one channel only mind you | 18:37 |
| flux | I got a Mugen and stopped worrying about battery life ;) | 18:37 |
| djkrikke | flux, how much battery life do you get? | 18:37 |
| flux | basically I can skip charging one day if I want | 18:37 |
| mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: how do you get your phone running 40h with wifi? Ö.ö | 18:37 |
| flux | but for that to happen I must've used less N900 than I perhaps usually do | 18:38 |
| mikki-kun | turned everything else off besides these two things? | 18:38 |
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| flux | and I do like to stream music over 3G for and run gps tracking software for instance, as well being online with active ssh and vpn 24/7. | 18:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | nookie: you got some presence notifications for e.g. jabber or whatever? | 18:39 |
| nookie | active ssh !!!!!!! that's it !!!!!!!!! | 18:39 |
| nookie | no | 18:39 |
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| flux | it can be, if it has an irc open and you switch windows a lot from your PC (screen multidetach) :) | 18:40 |
| nookie | i gotta turn ssh off when not in use | 18:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: A AP that supports powersave properly. | 18:40 |
| SpeedEvil | nookie: I have had the battery last 120 hours as a test, with it idle, every 5 min, logged into the device over wifi/ssh asking power status. | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | nookie: Some APs don't support powersaving mode, meaning that the radio has to stay on much of the time | 18:42 |
| mikki-kun | hm... isn't powersave a feature which is managed from the client's side? | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | no | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - yes | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | but it's also got to be supported on the AP | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it | 18:42 |
| nookie | hmmm....interesting | 18:43 |
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| joga | anyone uses spotify on n900? | 18:43 |
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| joga | (anyone here, and would like to share their experience) | 18:43 |
| joga | :) | 18:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption | 18:45 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean to make that a proper page soon | 18:45 |
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| Savago | Hello there, good morning. :-) | 18:46 |
| Savago | I'm wondering if anyone here have problems of tearing while animating an interface written in Qt running in portrait mode? | 18:46 |
| Savago | The same code runs 'fine' (for N900 standards) if in landscape mode. | 18:46 |
| Savago | And I noticed that most (if not all) N900 'native' apps run in landscape mode... | 18:47 |
| Savago | Anyone could comment on this subject ^ ? | 18:47 |
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| alterego | Savago: you can try forcing some of the built in apps into portrait to see if they have the same issue. | 18:49 |
| alterego | Opera used to suffer from tearing but I think they fixed that. | 18:49 |
| nookie | thanks | 18:49 |
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| nookie | this brings me to my next issue guys: whats the easiest method to access files which are on my remote pc (laptop)? | 18:51 |
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| mirf | ftp? | 18:52 |
| mirf | nookie: running windows? | 18:52 |
| nookie | yes...win 7 | 18:53 |
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| lcuk | winscp | 18:53 |
| nookie | do i need to install stuff on my win 7 laptop ? | 18:53 |
| mirf | how remote are we talking? | 18:53 |
| mirf | on the same lan? | 18:53 |
| nookie | no... | 18:54 |
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| mirf | ah | 18:54 |
| nookie | wifi | 18:54 |
| SpeedEvil | In a galaxy far far away? | 18:54 |
| mirf | errr ok | 18:54 |
| mirf | wifi butin the same building? | 18:54 |
| nookie | no....far away | 18:54 |
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| mirf | ahhhh | 18:54 |
| mirf | :P | 18:54 |
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| mirf | yeah you'll need to nistall stuff and use portforwarding | 18:55 |
| lcuk | winscp doesnt need port forwarding? | 18:55 |
| nookie | ok...i got openssh server and client on my n900 and winscp on my laptop....what next? | 18:55 |
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| Appiah | connect | 18:56 |
| lcuk | open winscp, enter connection details to tablet, profit. | 18:56 |
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| mirf | um.. if they're not on the same network and the | 18:56 |
| Savago | alterego, thanks, I will have a look. | 18:56 |
| nookie | ok....but i wanna do the opposite: n900 to access pc | 18:56 |
| mirf | laptop is behind a router... | 18:56 |
| Appiah | nookie: access it with what? | 18:56 |
| Appiah | what are you planing to do once you access it? | 18:56 |
| nookie | access it with N900 | 18:57 |
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| mirf | I still think ftp would be 'easiest' | 18:57 |
| Appiah | Remote Desktop? | 18:57 |
| nookie | to gain access to my files | 18:57 |
| mirf | or samba | 18:57 |
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| nookie | ok ftp... but how do i get it running on win 7? | 18:57 |
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| lcuk | ok nookie this is how it goes. You get an orangutan. I'm not talking a little monkey or some dancing chimp bullsh**. I mean a f**king orangutan. Don't ask me how you're gonna get a f**king orangutan, because that's not my problem. So the orangutan's name is Clyde. This is non-negotiable; all orangutans are named Clyde. I don't know why that is, it's just how the world works. So you and Clyde become man [and ape] about town. | 18:59 |
| Appiah | if you want to setup a ftp server on win7 then google some guide or ask in a windows channel | 18:59 |
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| Appiah | there's plenty of "easy" ftp server softwares for windows | 18:59 |
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| nookie | lcuk: you're funny | 19:00 |
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| nookie | lcuk: let me rephrase that: you're TRYING to be funny. But failing miserably. | 19:00 |
| Appiah | may I ask what kind of files you'd like to access? | 19:00 |
| nookie | music. documents. pics, etc | 19:01 |
| lcuk | nookie, sometimes it needs to be done - nokia device can read many formats, theres many pathways to do what you want but research is the biggest one you should be doing | 19:01 |
| mikki-kun | lcuk: you know how hard it is to find one of those nowadays?! Ö.ö | 19:02 |
| Appiah | I think there's a connectivity thingy for that in the media player | 19:03 |
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| Appiah | never tried it , but I got my windows comps hostname to show up in the media player | 19:03 |
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| lcuk | mikki-kun, yeah its easy to find smaller monkeys | 19:03 |
| Steven- | Is there anything better than QtIrreco for IR remote controls? | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Steven-: that's a nicely put question now | 19:11 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: lmao | 19:12 |
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| lcuk | :D crashanddie | 19:12 |
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| GAN900 | Man iOS multitasking is stupid. | 19:13 |
| * DocScrutinizer slaps lcuk with a big trout | 19:13 | |
| Steven- | ? | 19:13 |
| lcuk | i see the urangutan is polarising people! | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | Steven-, i dont know of other remote control apps | 19:14 |
| Steven- | lcuk, ok | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that animal is on red list! | 19:14 |
| Kaadlajk | N900's IR is pretty bad anyway | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | can't abuse for stupid tethering purposes | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kaadlajk: this claim is based on what? | 19:15 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, how about teaching it how to code in qt | 19:15 |
| Kaadlajk | DocScrutinizer: just my testing :-0 range didnt seem that good | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: teach how to bbq lumberjacks | 19:16 |
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| nookie | what a stupid channel this is become....people talking about monkeys....open community my ass | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | nookie: how long you been here? | 19:16 |
| Kaadlajk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNMYGFbFc-g made this with my friend, the server program running on laptop also runs on N900 | 19:16 |
| nookie | 7 months | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Kaadlajk: suspicions are the freq of the IR might not meet the one used by original remocon | 19:16 |
| Kaadlajk | laptops IR was alot better | 19:16 |
| crashanddie | nookie: oh wow, you an old timer, eh? | 19:17 |
| Kaadlajk | DocScrutinizer: yeah might be | 19:17 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: how long we been talking shit on this channel? | 19:17 |
| lcuk | nookie, its a bit of light heartedness after 5 people tried to explain how to do usual connection stuff to you only to be told no you want it the other way. without thanks or anything :) | 19:17 |
| lcuk | so my apologies for not taking everything 100% seriously | 19:18 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: btw, the spelling is urangutan | 19:18 |
| nookie | i was writing programs and coding long before some were still runnig around in diapers. | 19:18 |
| Appiah | nookie: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35166 here's what I was talking about | 19:18 |
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| crashanddie | nookie: sure, and you can't even figure out how to install an ftp server on your desktop? | 19:18 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, didnt even notice seb, was c&p from google hit on amusing line i recall | 19:18 |
| Appiah | Music and Videos , dunno about pictures | 19:18 |
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| nookie | thanks Appiah | 19:19 |
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| lcuk | nookie, some of us have been app developers for a long time and have slogged through many aspects - what sort of stuff do you code? | 19:20 |
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| Steven- | cobol :D | 19:20 |
| nookie | crashanddie: i dont live in a windows world, hency my lack of knowledge | 19:20 |
| Appiah | now thats old.. | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Steven-: keep your fingers off my COBOL! | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | nookie: fair enough | 19:21 |
| nookie | I'm an ex soft engineer at Nokia | 19:21 |
| GAN900 | N900bastard? | 19:21 |
| lcuk | nookie, which platform | 19:22 |
| Steven- | OS/2 | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | nookie: did you figure out the url for the internal maemo repo yet or are you going to shut up with that crap? | 19:22 |
| nookie | Series 60 - old news | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | Steven-: BS2000, c'mon | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | since you claimed you were high in maemo before | 19:22 |
| crashanddie | nookie: so you're way too stoopid to google "ftp server windows"? | 19:23 |
| * achipa remembers the old days, running his 3 node BBS on OS/2 + maximus | 19:23 | |
| crashanddie | nookie: or was Google before your time, too? | 19:23 |
| Steven- | DocScrutinizer, if this guy is worse than me I can go back to using my old nick? :) | 19:23 |
| Gizmokid2005 | Lol, you guys are a barrel o' laughs i tell ya | 19:23 |
| crashanddie | nookie: apologies for the trolling and flaming | 19:24 |
| crashanddie | I'll stfu now | 19:24 |
| nookie | back then there was no distinction between different platforms at Nokia, hence my previous mention of working with maemo which was in inception stages back in the day | 19:24 |
| nookie | no matter. you dont have to believe me. | 19:25 |
| Steven- | you mean before even the 770 ? | 19:25 |
| nookie | yes | 19:25 |
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| jacekowski | what was the name of that better camera app? | 19:26 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: blessn900 | 19:26 |
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| nookie | actually, long before 770 was even being discussed | 19:26 |
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| vldcnst | nookie, do you really have nothing else to do? | 19:27 |
| Steven- | nookie, that's nice... so you no nothing about all this - good for you. what was the conversation about again? | 19:27 |
| FredrIQ | hmm | 19:28 |
| FredrIQ | does it work somehow to compile N900 applications under windows? | 19:28 |
| nookie | remember the e90 communicator folks? My team wanted to put what was called Series 90 on it. But it got kaboshed by the higher ups | 19:28 |
| Steven- | don't care not linux | 19:29 |
| FredrIQ | well, i'm going to change OS soon, but atm i sit under windows | 19:29 |
| Steven- | crashanddie, is that thing just purely software to get those better effects? | 19:29 |
| Appiah | FredrIQ: run the SDK | 19:29 |
| nookie | and we went with series 60 on the e90. Internally at Nokia putting S60 on E90 is considered a blunder. No high end device since then. A downhill slide and marketshare erosion. | 19:30 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +q *!user@74.198* | 19:30 | |
| crashanddie | wasn't me! | 19:31 |
| crashanddie | I promise! | 19:31 |
| Gizmokid2005 | nope, it was ChanServ :D | 19:31 |
| nookie | liers | 19:31 |
| FredrIQ | and we are going to belive it? :3 | 19:31 |
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| FredrIQ | uh | 19:31 |
| FredrIQ | fail | 19:32 |
| FredrIQ | ~user | 19:32 |
| infobot | user is, like, currently detached. Talk to this user upon their return. You will now be ignored. [HackFactor Elite 2.0], or a synonym for moron | 19:32 |
| FredrIQ | ;) | 19:32 |
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| FredrIQ | ...not that | 19:32 |
| vldcnst | s/u/~u | 19:32 |
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| Steven- | Anyone got an NX client working on the N900? | 19:32 |
| Steven- | Last time I tried QtNX it just bombs | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you just completely failed that +q, didn't you? | 19:32 |
| nookie | hello? | 19:32 |
| crashanddie | nookie: yes? | 19:32 |
| vldcnst | you are muted. | 19:32 |
| Gizmokid2005 | he's not muted | 19:33 |
| FredrIQ | you are failmuted | 19:33 |
| Gizmokid2005 | whoever tried to issue the command failed hard | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | the real command would've been this | 19:33 |
| FredrIQ | take that as a "be quiet" | 19:33 |
| FredrIQ | :) | 19:33 |
| nookie | lol...and you call yourselves experts?? | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | insanefaka, N900lover, N900killer, etc, really it's enough now | 19:33 |
| vldcnst | DocScrutinizer go hide | 19:33 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +q *!*@74.198.38.146 | 19:33 | |
| Steven- | could I be unmuted? :D | 19:33 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | somebody downloaded pelota-widget of worldcup ? | 19:33 |
| Steven- | you know - while someone is in chanserv | 19:33 |
| crashanddie | now there's a mute :) | 19:33 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and now nookie | 19:34 |
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| vldcnst | ... | 19:34 |
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| FredrIQ | ..... | 19:34 |
| FredrIQ | :) | 19:34 |
| Steven- | maybe... posssibly ? | 19:34 |
| mirf | lol lcuk Clyde | 19:35 |
| achipa | people, we're tools. tools people that is. interesting discussion. | 19:35 |
| Myrtti | I still vote for cheesecake | 19:35 |
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| FredrIQ | people is having fun | 19:36 |
| Myrtti | *are* | 19:36 |
| crashanddie | FredrIQ: just cleaning up | 19:36 |
| Myrtti | *spank* | 19:36 |
| FredrIQ | ok | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: your cleaning up days are quite a pain to my brain | 19:36 |
| FIQ | i like them | 19:37 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: why is that? | 19:37 |
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| *** ChanServ sets mode: -q Lantizia!*@* | 19:38 | |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: e.g. +q user*!*@* was set for a reason. It's not the extended vocabulary for chanops to tell jokes to the users | 19:38 |
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| adna | Greetings. Does anyone know the directory where contacts are stored on an N900? | 19:38 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: it's also the default nickname for xchat and half another dozen of IRC clients | 19:38 |
| adna | I thought it would be like, $HOME/.contacts or something, but I can't find it. | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: also it's quite good practice to talk to the chanop who's set that restriction before sinply "cleaning" it | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: we have to remain vigilant, and give chances to people. It would be too easy to just ban all those who go awry once, and never bother with them again | 19:39 |
| Myrtti | moving on | 19:39 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: sure, I'll discuss it with you in the future | 19:39 |
| eitama | Hey Doc | 19:40 |
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| adna | Does anyone know the directory where "contacts" are stored on an N900? | 19:41 |
| Myrtti | does it echo here? | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | insanefaka is ~user@74.198.35.91 * Unknown; nookie is ~user@74.198.38.146 * Unknown; *** Stskeeps sets mode: +b *!*user@74.198.39.*[16:22]; *** N900killa was kicked by Stskeeps (troll, come back when calm) | 19:41 |
| Gizmokid2005 | adna: IIRC it's stored in an sqlite db. | 19:41 |
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| adna | Gizmokid2005: Thnx! Do you know where that db is located? | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: need more? I got more | 19:43 |
| Myrtti | hrm. | 19:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | adna: find ~ -name "*sql" | 19:44 |
| Gizmokid2005 | SpeedEvil: it's actually *.db | 19:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | hmm | 19:45 |
| eitama | Hello guys, is there any problem with the autobuilder at the moment? I am failing to build my package and I am doing almost the same as yesterday | 19:46 |
| Gizmokid2005 | sql is actual code, the .db is the database, though I've seen some (not in the N900) as .sqlite | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Err - I mean gts, not Gm | 19:46 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i actually kicked someone? neat | 19:46 |
| Myrtti | sweet | 19:46 |
| adna | Gizmokid2005: Right, I don't see any .sqlite directory. Not sure where to look... | 19:48 |
| adna | SpeedEvil: Thanks. "find ~ -name "*sql" " returns nothing, though | 19:50 |
| Gizmokid2005 | adna: I'd say it's in some *.db | 19:50 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | adna: you need to run it as "find ~ -name "*.db" " | 19:50 |
| Gizmokid2005 | and it looks like they are in ~.osso-abook/db/ | 19:50 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | probably ~/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db | 19:50 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - sorry - I recalled the wrong name | 19:51 |
| * Lantizia looks at Guest62315 | 19:51 | |
| Guest62315 | çäîðîâ ïðèäóðêè | 19:51 |
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| n900-dk | gesundheit | 19:52 |
| adna | Gizmokid2005: My hero. thanks. | 19:52 |
| Gizmokid2005 | you're welcome adna | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, looks like a nice time to buy nokia stock | 19:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-05-25.log.html#t2010-05-25T16:22:40 | 19:56 |
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| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: ah, he really had it coming if you read the discussion before that :P | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: to me a +b *!*user@74.198.*.* feels a sane thing to do | 19:57 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer: why would you ban a whole class B? | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | yesterday insanefaka, today nookie. It's becoming an annoying habit | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: I'm banning user@<classB> | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | not *@<classB> | 19:59 |
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| eitama | Can someone help me understand why my build in autobuilder is failing ? : https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/horizontal-call_0.7-1/ | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | user@classb is a large fraction of the users. | 20:00 |
| Gizmokid2005 | still DocScrutinizer, like was said before a LOT of clients use "user" as their realname because people are lazy | 20:00 |
| djkrikke | is it possible that /usr/bin/logit isn't installed on the n900 device anymore? | 20:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I login as user on both my laptop, and my n900 | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | but it seems crashanddie isn't according with me | 20:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: are you 74.198.*.* ? | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ! | 20:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | Zerojay for example is | 20:04 |
| SpeedEvil | Or has been in the past | 20:04 |
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| flailingmonkey | the same guy kept coming in, with the exact same trolls | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I think the requirement to set up decent user on your client is much lower demand than the "you need to register as we don't allow nonregistered users to talk" that crashanddie was suggesting for standard policy for this chan quite a number of times | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | this channel has a lot of ~user's in it, i believe | 20:07 |
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| Stskeeps | even my own n900 client and heck, i've 10 years of ircd experience :P | 20:08 |
| Myrtti | noob | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | pft | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:08 |
| * Stskeeps passes Myrtti a hello kitty themed 770 | 20:09 | |
| mirf | gyaaarrrggghhh | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so what's your point now, Stskeeps ? It's been you who established above mentioned ban | 20:09 |
| mirf | I don't even need a new phone | 20:09 |
| mirf | it's just gear lust | 20:09 |
| eitama | DocScrutinizer: are you good with solving autobuilder build problems, and willing to help me for 2 min? | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry, no for #1 | 20:10 |
| Myrtti | ♥ Stskeeps http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2061502377/ | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: no point, just saying that ~user!*@* wouldn't be a good idea, like i thought the discussion was about | 20:10 |
| eitama | ahh man. | 20:10 |
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| eitama | ok, thanks mate. | 20:10 |
| * Stskeeps goes back to get 2.6.35 on his n810 | 20:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: nobody ever suggested +b user@* | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough | 20:11 |
| Gizmokid2005 | but you did DocScrutinizer51: [12:38:20] <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: e.g. +q user*!*@* was set for a reason. It's not the extended vocabulary for chanops to tell jokes to the users | 20:11 |
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| flailingmonkey | i'll suggest it >:P | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I did +q user@<classB> | 20:12 |
| Myrtti | can we move on from the meta discussion to something more substantial, like RPM vs. DEB? | 20:12 |
| Myrtti | kthx | 20:12 |
| zash | Or VIM vs Emacs! | 20:12 |
| Myrtti | bash vs. zsh | 20:12 |
| * BCMM throws things at RPM | 20:12 | |
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| flailingmonkey | well, I'll settle for +q | 20:12 |
| zash | Or GTK+ vs Qt | 20:12 |
| * BCMM throws things at Emacs | 20:12 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Gizmokid2005: is this a suggestion to dothat? please reread | 20:13 |
| * BCMM throws things at zsh and GTK+ | 20:13 | |
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| BCMM | oh, i'm having fun | 20:13 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | it was suggested it SHOULD have been like that, and that you were upset it was removed. s'all I'm sayin' | 20:13 |
| * zash throws bash and vim at BCMM | 20:13 | |
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| BCMM | all this A vs. B is making me want to suggest installing BSD on an n900 | 20:13 |
| julgutierrez | maemo.org repos down? | 20:13 |
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| * BCMM ducks | 20:13 | |
| flailingmonkey | rpm shmar-pee-emm, deb fleb. its only the package management system that matters (aka zypper, yum, apt, smart...) | 20:13 |
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| julgutierrez | I have a n900 but the maemo repos arent refershing | 20:15 |
| SpeedEvil | pkgtool! | 20:15 |
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| flailingmonkey | BCMM: it would be quite an acheivement to run bsd on n900 | 20:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | system v | 20:16 |
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| BCMM | Plan 9 from Bell Labs is the next smartphone OS | 20:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | \ | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Gizmokid2005: please reread again. that's now what I said | 20:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | s/now/not/ | 20:18 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer51 meant: Gizmokid2005: please reread again. that's not what I said | 20:18 |
| Gizmokid2005 | haha, that's a neat feature of infobot | 20:19 |
| nidO | s/neat/bloody annoying | 20:19 |
| Gizmokid2005 | that is exactly what you said - maybe not what you meant, but what was said. | 20:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: what part of " was set for a reason" is a suggestion to do it and a "being upset" to you? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: btw it's polite to highlight people when answering to them, esp when it happens with quite some lag | 20:22 |
| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer51: thanks for the lesson in irc ettiquette. There was no discussion between us so I'd have assumed it was known I'd be replying to you. It's not like this is an urgent matter. | 20:23 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | DocScrutinizer51: as for the part about you being upset, I took a bit of context in with my thought process there, particularly when you said this: [12:39:31] <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: also it's quite good practice to talk to the chanop who's set that restriction before sinply "cleaning" it | 20:25 |
| Gizmokid2005 | especially since Freenode is notorious for "loosing" who set a ban. | 20:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: it's just I don't follow IRC closely all the time, esp in case there is no discussion going on. So I more often than not miss your statements that clearly are addressed to me | 20:25 |
| crashanddie | losing | 20:25 |
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| crashanddie | damn, this still going on? | 20:25 |
| Gizmokid2005 | crashanddie: nope, just friendly discussion :) | 20:26 |
| crashanddie | k | 20:26 |
| nidO | it actually stopped for a while, they just restarted again for your benefit | 20:26 |
| Gizmokid2005 | hahaha, exactly nidO! | 20:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Gizmokid2005: please don't interpret things in between lines in what I'm saying. I just asked crashanddie to discuss removing restrictions prior to doing that. Nothing beyond that | 20:27 |
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| Myrtti | doesn't anyone think of the CHEESECAKES?! | 20:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: yeah, me. Even carrot cake would be nicer than this :-) | 20:29 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders if ex-nokiaguy is going to be a sane contributor to the channel instead of trolling all the time | 20:30 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ^^ that's my answer to your wondering :-D | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also consider the allegedly ex-nokia status might be just another carefully designed detail of a perfect troll identity | 20:32 |
| ex-nokiaguy | guys give me a chance | 20:32 |
| ex-nokiaguy | i'm not a bad guy | 20:32 |
| ex-nokiaguy | little disgruntled - perhaps | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | ex-nokiaguy: okay, so, what topic would you like to discuss? | 20:33 |
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| ex-nokiaguy | i don't know. everytime i open my mouth you guys get pupset | 20:35 |
| Myrtti | then why don't you just listen | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-06-21.log.html#t2010-06-21T19:54:18 | 20:37 |
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| flailingmonkey | interesting fact, 74.198.0.0 apparently is in ontario | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | ex-nokiaguy: well, what do you think of meego? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | .. try without too much bile | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | oops | 20:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dunno why the link is broken | 20:39 |
| flailingmonkey | so thats where the bounce is | 20:40 |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: it worked for me... | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer>>insanefaka: you've been warned, kicked, and banned several times during the last few months about your trolling in here 19:54 | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | insanefaka>>alterego: i'm a woman 19:54 | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | DocScrutinizer>>absolutely last warning | 20:40 |
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| GAN900 | Haha | 20:42 |
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| crashanddie | ex-nokiaguy: it's interesting that even though you realise that you actually piss people off constantly, you don't deem it necessary to do some introspection and try to understand why you piss people off? | 20:46 |
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| ex-nokiaguy | piss people off? that's not my intent | 20:47 |
| crashanddie | < ex-nokiaguy> i don't know. everytime i open my mouth you guys get pupset | 20:48 |
| crashanddie | also, for the record, claiming to be a nokia guy, an "ex nokia guy" doesn't give you any bonus points in here | 20:48 |
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| ex-nokiaguy | ok - acknwledged | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | people really couldn't care otherwise, we like people based on who they are, so :P | 20:49 |
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| ex-nokiaguy | right on | 20:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | alterego>>Thank god for that :) I think he got the message :) 20:21 | 20:50 |
| crashanddie | I would even be tempted to say that claiming that, as you did previously, in an attempt to in some way or another legitimise your point of view, experience or knowledge, does quite the contrary. Just be a regular user, your experience will show by the advice and help you give, not by any claims you make | 20:50 |
| alterego | :) | 20:50 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: I didn't give you permission to quote me! :D | 20:50 |
| ex-nokiaguy | ok... i was just pissed | 20:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | I c&p irclog | 20:50 |
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| crashanddie | sure, happens to everyone | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | fair enough, now find a better nickname and start acting like someone who'd just like to chat about maemo, not badmouth it constantly, only sometimes :P | 20:51 |
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| alterego | ex-nokiaguy aka insanefaka, you're still not using your proper nick though. Why? | 20:51 |
| crashanddie | also, use the webchat until we forget your IP address ;) | 20:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | he's changing nicks like sane people change underwear | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: but the webchat shows the ip address ;-) | 20:52 |
| crashanddie | Myrtti: it does? | 20:52 |
| ex-nokiaguy | here's what's at the heart of my beef: great device such as N900 is being ignored by Nokia. I know, I know....wrong forum here. | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | of course it does | 20:52 |
| alterego | sweet, sshfs is in the repo for N900 :D | 20:52 |
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| alterego | ex-nokiaguy: it's not being ignored. | 20:52 |
| alterego | I don't feel it's being ignored. | 20:52 |
| Myrtti | told you so | 20:53 |
| crashanddie | hmm | 20:53 |
| Myrtti | it used to be in the real name, but that's even better | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | ex-nokiaguy: at least it's getting advertisement | 20:53 |
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| alterego | ex-nokiaguy: you and a few like you, seem to expect far too much from Nokia, and we don't give a shit. | 20:53 |
| Mousey | lol | 20:53 |
| Mousey | yah, like the n810! | 20:53 |
| alterego | ex-nokiaguy: Well, I don't give a shit, others' here might be interested to here your whinging .. | 20:53 |
| * Mousey misses it | 20:54 | |
| Stskeeps | ex-nokiaguy: but fact is the next devices are the ones for consumers in general, not so much hackers.. | 20:54 |
| Myrtti | in any case, in the cloak or in the realname, the ip address has always been something that has shown somewhere and has always been bannable | 20:54 |
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| crashanddie | Myrtti: well, unless you register and login | 20:54 |
| Myrtti | if not elsewhere then in the ident which is the ip address in hex | 20:54 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: nope, if you use webchat, the webchat cloak overrides your own | 20:54 |
| lardman|home | evening all | 20:54 |
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| crashanddie | Myrtti: see, doesn't override it | 20:55 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: ident still gives you away | 20:55 |
| crashanddie | and ircname is still there too | 20:55 |
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| Myrtti | so, as I said, with webchat you're always giving your ip address away | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | [263] WHOIS This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited. | 20:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF? | 20:56 |
| crashanddie | Myrtti: but you can't ban an ircname | 20:56 |
| Myrtti | crashanddie: /mode #channel +b $r:Foo* from http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml | 20:57 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 20:57 |
| alterego | Damnit, sshfs mounted filesystems don't appear under the file manager :( | 20:57 |
| * crashanddie loves Freenode | 20:57 | |
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| flailingmonkey | hehehe | 20:58 |
| Myrtti | HTH, HAND. | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: :-/ | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: screw HFM | 20:58 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: pahahaha | 20:58 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: but it's usually sooooo goood! :P | 20:58 |
| flailingmonkey | alterego, we know you can mount bind the sshfs, and that would show up in /media | 20:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeahh of course | 20:58 |
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| alterego | Has anyone tried to netboot an N900? | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhnhn | 20:59 |
| flailingmonkey | challange: what is the biggest failure of HFM (or just the lib that other apps use) | 20:59 |
| alterego | gdidbdidbdidbdidbd | 20:59 |
| jacekowski | alterego: there is no network interface capable of netboot in n900 | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | that's not entirely true. | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | we're doing NFS booting over USB in meego | 21:00 |
| alterego | jacekowski: okay, well, I actually meant a custom initfs that mounted it's root via wifi or USB | 21:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh! | 21:00 |
| alterego | Oh, nice. | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | (go read our pages) | 21:00 |
| alterego | Where? :P | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 21:01 |
| alterego | Yeah, google is great Stskeeps :P | 21:01 |
| * DocScrutinizer hamers F2 to enter N900's bios setup | 21:01 | |
| tybollt | dare one read meego wiki pages now? I heard Qgil kill baby kittens if one does ;) | 21:01 |
| alterego | I'd really like to mess with my own system on top of the N900. | 21:01 |
| alterego | But I guess that'll wait until I get #2 | 21:02 |
| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: :D | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: but it's still not pxe capable | 21:02 |
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| alterego | We could use MeeGo 1.0 as a recovery console, maybe not quite a BIOS, but in fact a bit better :P | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: you still need kernel in the phone | 21:02 |
| alterego | It has Qt too! but only an xterminal ... | 21:02 |
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| Stskeeps | jacekowski: sendable over US | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | B | 21:02 |
| jacekowski | Stskeeps: true netboot will work with just builtin bootloader | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 21:03 |
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| tybollt | Stskeeps: does nokia only work w/ adapting meego to its own shitz or are they part of the core dev of the os too? | 21:04 |
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| * Stskeeps goes look at the current nominations | 21:05 | |
| eitama | Guys, could this be causing me build errors? http://maemo.org/packages/view/qt-mobility/ | 21:06 |
| eitama | the package looks dead. | 21:06 |
| eitama | It was rebuild this morning | 21:06 |
| eitama | at 8~ | 21:07 |
| eitama | and I can't build anything that uses libqtm-contacts / multimedia etc. | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: 1/2 of the community office, 2/3 of chief architects, half of program office, sitting on lead architect of core os, core os releases, QA, handset UX product, handset UX architects, lead designer of handset UX.. | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | tybollt: so, they sit on a fair bunch of stuff | 21:07 |
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| flailingmonkey | no takers to my challenge? | 21:10 |
| flailingmonkey | I would say it's lack of sorting, makes attaching images a pain as most images have autocreated names, but you'd want to sort by the file metadata | 21:11 |
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| lardman|home | anyone know how to extract a QImage from a QIcon? | 21:14 |
| lardman|home | item(i)->icon().pixmap().toImage() seems unhappy | 21:14 |
| mikhas | lardman, euh, I think you paint the icon yourself, on the QImage | 21:15 |
| mikhas | onto* | 21:15 |
| lardman|home | nah I have an icon, I would like to extract a QImage so I can save the app state and restore it | 21:15 |
| lardman|home | as the icon is originally created from a QImage | 21:15 |
| mikhas | ah | 21:15 |
| mikhas | and why is saving the icon not possible? | 21:15 |
| lardman|home | it probably is now you mention it | 21:16 |
| lardman|home | was just trying to avoid changing code too much if I could avoid it | 21:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-D | 21:16 |
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| crashanddie | lardman|home: qds << myicon; | 21:16 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: then qds is a PNG iamge | 21:16 |
| lardman|home | of what type? | 21:17 |
| lardman|home | QImage? | 21:17 |
| crashanddie | no, PNG | 21:17 |
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| lardman|home | it's a var though? What is it, a memory buffer? | 21:18 |
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| lardman|home | or is it a file descriptor? | 21:18 |
| lardman|home | etc | 21:18 |
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| crashanddie | oh, qds = QDataStream | 21:18 |
| lardman|home | ah ok | 21:18 |
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| lardman|home | I'm actually saving to a QSettings | 21:18 |
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| lardman|home | sorted, skipped the QImage step and left it all as QIcon | 21:20 |
| lardman|home | thanks | 21:20 |
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| Zucca | When I ssh to my N900 and open a gui app the app open on my N900 screen. I've initialized the connection using -X, but still the same. I have tried x11vnc, which is pretty nice, but has some nasty limits (like alt not working + some other keys). | 21:27 |
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| Zucca | So what do I need to be able to open X apps from remote host (my laptop) that are run from my N900? | 21:28 |
| Appiah | "still the same" | 21:28 |
| Appiah | what's the problem? | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | Zucca: wifi/usb networking | 21:30 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: and x server on remote host | 21:30 |
| Zucca | Appiah: Apps open up on my N900 instead on my laptop's screen. | 21:31 |
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| jacekowski | Zucca: 3 things | 21:31 |
| Zucca | Tell me. :) | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: network connection between n900 and x server | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: x server configured to accept client connection | 21:31 |
| jacekowski | from remote host ( n900 ) | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | and n900 configured to connect to remote X server | 21:32 |
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| Zucca | My N900 is the server in this case. And laptop is the client. | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | ah | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | ok, you need xhost on n900 | 21:32 |
| Appiah | Zucca: are you using the correct DISPLAY= ? | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | and then you have to run xhost + in terminal | 21:32 |
| jacekowski | to tell it to accept connection from any host | 21:33 |
| Zucca | jacekowski: Just apt-get install xhost? | 21:33 |
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| jacekowski | i don't think it's in repositor | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | repository | 21:33 |
| jacekowski | you might have to build it | 21:33 |
| Zucca | I first ran x11vnc (server) on my N900. It was easy enough to set up, but as I said: there was some limits. | 21:34 |
| Zucca | I had to install it from diablo repo. | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | hmmmm | 21:34 |
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| jacekowski | it looks like X server on n900 is configured to don't listen on tcp | 21:36 |
| Zucca | I still use cli mostly, but sometimes I need to access GUI apps on my N900. That's why I think sshd with X forward on my N900 would be the best solution. | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | it's not going to work | 21:36 |
| Zucca | Ah. :( | 21:36 |
| Zucca | Shame. | 21:36 |
| jacekowski | n900 will only accept local connections | 21:36 |
| FauxFaux | ssh -X. | 21:37 |
| flailingmonkey | jacekowski: then what about ssh port forwrding? | 21:37 |
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| jacekowski | local over AF_UNIX socket | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | ssh will not help | 21:37 |
| flailingmonkey | poo | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | but | 21:37 |
| lcuk | lardman|home, why did your image end up as an icon i nthe first place \?/ | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | it might be possible to create simple app that would listen on tcp and forward to unix socket | 21:38 |
| Zucca | Hm. Is it possible to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to enable it? | 21:38 |
| Zucca | I guess not. | 21:38 |
| Zucca | Cause you'd told me that already. :P | 21:38 |
| alterego | That abill_uk guy really brings out the worst in me. | 21:38 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: i'm not sure if it's not disabled at compile time | 21:38 |
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| alterego | I swear he's dillusional ... | 21:39 |
| alterego | I think he's the worst kind of Troll, he doesn't even realise he's Trolling :( | 21:39 |
| lcuk | oh ubuntu, i love thee. selecting a desktop background image whilst i have device plugged in, great - spans over multi monitors, looks cool... | 21:39 |
| lcuk | ..unplug device and image goes away | 21:39 |
| lcuk | plug device in 3 weeks later and it comes back :D | 21:40 |
| flailingmonkey | what is he usually going on about? i couldn't follow his yammering | 21:40 |
| alterego | I think you need to pick out key "sentances" there's a high signal/bullshit ratio in his posts. | 21:41 |
| mfinkle | in the next release of firefox on n900, we'd like to implement a "sharing" system where you can send a link, image or text to an email, sms, twitter or facebook (for example) | 21:41 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk, that would be a nice way to change a friends background while their system is locked... to something inappropriate of course | 21:41 |
| alterego | mfinkle: what about IM through Telepathy? :P | 21:42 |
| mfinkle | I figure we can use dbus calls to open applications that support email, sms, twitter and facebook | 21:42 |
| mfinkle | alterego: sure, sounds good | 21:42 |
| mfinkle | but the problem we have is discovery | 21:42 |
| lcuk | flailingmonkey, thats sort of thing we used to do for shits n giggles | 21:42 |
| mfinkle | turns out not many apps publish the dbus calls they support | 21:42 |
| alterego | I'm actually working on a Telepathy service for twitter. | 21:42 |
| flailingmonkey | well, the n900 does have that share subsystem | 21:42 |
| lcuk | fullscreen locked screens and cracks etc ;) | 21:42 |
| mfinkle | flailingmonkey: link? | 21:43 |
| alterego | mfinkle: Telepathy is a set of dbus interface specifications | 21:43 |
| lcuk | snap desktop, set as desktop backgroun, remove icons | 21:43 |
| lcuk | they spend 10 minutes trying to click on fake icons | 21:43 |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: that's just for media (photo's and video's) I believe. | 21:43 |
| mfinkle | flailingmonkey: we are supporting Android as well, and the "intent" system on Android makes "sharing" with external applications easy | 21:43 |
| flailingmonkey | ah, that is true. | 21:43 |
| mfinkle | alterego: right | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: ping | 21:44 |
| mfinkle | even finding the dbus method to open a compose email, passing the "to", "subject" and "body" is not easy | 21:44 |
| flailingmonkey | perhaps the share system would be a suitable place to put such functionality? | 21:44 |
| mfinkle | flailingmonkey: that seems to be only built into the photo gallery app | 21:45 |
| mfinkle | not a system for other apps to use | 21:45 |
| alterego | mfinkle: anyhow, my point is, Telepathy has many services that implement that interface, so you have MSN, ICQ, Jabber etc. But you talk and discover them all through using the Telepathy specification. | 21:45 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps: pong | 21:45 |
| alterego | mfinkle: sure, email is a different kettle of fish, you'll need to look at modest for that. | 21:45 |
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| mfinkle | alterego: and photo apps, and twitter apps, etc.... | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | luke-jr: got a 2.6.34/35 n8x0 kernel? | 21:45 |
| teilzeitstudent_ | Zucca, have you considered xnvc? | 21:46 |
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| luke-jr | Stskeeps: no | 21:46 |
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| Stskeeps | luke-jr: damnit | 21:46 |
| mfinkle | but we want to determine the best way to hand off data to external apps and then publish _how_ Firefox supports it so other applications can support sharing easily | 21:46 |
| alterego | mfinkle: for photo and video sharing services like flickr, we already have that using sharing plugins, I don't know what the underlying architecture is, but I'm guessing it is a lot like Telepathy and is dbus based. | 21:46 |
| mfinkle | alterego: yes, web-based services are easy for us | 21:46 |
| alterego | mfinkle: if you bare with me, I can do a few tests and find out for you ;) | 21:47 |
| mfinkle | native apps are our concern | 21:47 |
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| mfinkle | alterego: any help would be great | 21:47 |
| alterego | mfinkle: ah, okay. So, what apps do you want? | 21:47 |
| alterego | email obviously .. | 21:47 |
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| mfinkle | eamil, sms, im to start | 21:47 |
| mfinkle | we'd like to support photos (images) too | 21:48 |
| alterego | Unfortunately, that isn't possible with SMS or IM at the moment. | 21:48 |
| mfinkle | and then facebook and twitter - but to local native clients, not the web | 21:48 |
| alterego | Actually, it is possible, I'm being an idiot :) | 21:48 |
| alterego | You can't do it with SMS, but you can send text. | 21:49 |
| alterego | IM is fine as it's done with Telepathy. | 21:49 |
| alterego | And I've just figured out how to do it with email ;) | 21:49 |
| mfinkle | send text with SMS? or with IM only | 21:49 |
| flailingmonkey | mfinkle: I'll poke around the sharing api, as its open | 21:50 |
| mfinkle | flailingmonkey: thanks | 21:50 |
| alterego | mfinkle: sorry, I'll be more concise, SMS is text only, IM protocols, some do support file transfer, so you can send images/files through IM using Telepathy. | 21:50 |
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| mfinkle | SMS as text only would be fine too | 21:51 |
| mfinkle | the more ways we can share, the better | 21:51 |
| mfinkle | I see modest has a dbus call http://gitorious.org/modest/modest/blobs/master/libmodest-dbus-client/src/libmodest-dbus-client.c#line128 | 21:51 |
| mfinkle | that looks like we could make a new email, with receip, subject and body | 21:51 |
| alterego | Exactly :) | 21:52 |
| mfinkle | but I didn't see that in the modest.desktop file | 21:52 |
| mfinkle | so how could Firefox "discover" what apps support? | 21:52 |
| mfinkle | I mean, worse case we could hard code a list | 21:52 |
| alterego | You'll find a lot of it aren't open to introspection or published anywhere, except Telepathy, as it's just a specification of dbus interfaces. | 21:52 |
| mfinkle | but that is fragile | 21:53 |
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| alterego | Well, modest is email, your discovery will just have to be that. | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Though not all people have modest installed. | 21:53 |
| alterego | IM is discoverable in the way you want, as in, you can find out which protocols a user has accounts for, and list them, then you can work out whether those protocols allow file sharing. | 21:53 |
| SpeedEvil | (I suspect the vast majority would) | 21:53 |
| mfinkle | SpeedEvil: right | 21:55 |
| mfinkle | for some apps we could make assumptions | 21:55 |
| lcuk | mfinkle, is this gonna be a plugin for laptop too? | 21:55 |
| mfinkle | but other apps may or may not be installed | 21:55 |
| lcuk | or is this not a plugin? | 21:55 |
| mfinkle | lcuk: not a plugin | 21:55 |
| flailingmonkey | mfinkle: the Sharing API is designed around sending a file, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in | 21:55 |
| mfinkle | built into firefox 2 | 21:55 |
| mfinkle | for maemo | 21:56 |
| mfinkle | it could be an add-on for firefox 1.1 for maemo | 21:56 |
| lcuk | ahh so no chance to get same functionality everywhere.. | 21:56 |
| mfinkle | we'll support it on android too | 21:56 |
| * lcuk has firefox on all machines | 21:56 | |
| lcuk | meego? | 21:56 |
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| alterego | Except with Telepathy, which is on most Desktop Linux too :) | 21:56 |
| * SpeedEvil imagines lcuks washing machine. | 21:56 | |
| mfinkle | we'll support meego for devices | 21:57 |
| lcuk | yes alterego thats what i was thinking | 21:57 |
| mfinkle | if we can support desktops, we will - but desktops are not firefox mobile's main target | 21:57 |
| mfinkle | I could support Windows, for example, pretty easily | 21:57 |
| lcuk | sure, but arent all the XUL stuff compatible? | 21:57 |
| mfinkle | yes | 21:58 |
| alterego | lcuk: XUL is just the front end, the core is C++ and ugly :P | 21:58 |
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| mfinkle | but the hard part is handing off the data to the external apps | 21:58 |
| flailingmonkey | having proper introspection would be ideal though | 21:58 |
| mfinkle | flailingmonkey: or a better registration | 21:58 |
| flailingmonkey | aye | 21:58 |
| alterego | Though, having mozilla interfaces for Telepathy seems like an extremely good idea. | 21:58 |
| * lcuk nods | 21:59 | |
| mfinkle | alterego: at this point we would wrap the c code in JS ctypes | 21:59 |
| alterego | Telepathy supports introspection like I said. | 21:59 |
| mfinkle | and Telepathy only covers a small subset of the sharing we want to do | 21:59 |
| flailingmonkey | the whole Conversations app is closed right? | 22:00 |
| mfinkle | /usr/share/applications/defaults.list could be better (for maemo) | 22:00 |
| mfinkle | http://wiki.maemo.org/URL_Handler/API_rev2 could be expanded | 22:00 |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: the conversations application is just a frontend, the interseeeting stuff is all dbus. | 22:00 |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: and well defined, it's Telepathy. | 22:00 |
| * alterego hugs Telepathy :) | 22:01 | |
| * mfinkle digs through some other .desktop files on his N900 | 22:01 | |
| alterego | It was a dog to get into, but now I can see how cool it is :) | 22:01 |
| flailingmonkey | aha. so is SMS properly discoverable? | 22:01 |
| lcuk | mfinkle, just because an app handles certain mime types does not mean it will share them with others for you | 22:02 |
| mfinkle | lcuk: we just want to share them with the native app | 22:03 |
| mfinkle | what the app does is up to it | 22:03 |
| alterego | flailingmonkey: I don't actually think SMS is done through Telepathy, though it should be. | 22:03 |
| alterego | Actually, it is. | 22:03 |
| alterego | I'm bein' an idiot. | 22:03 |
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| alterego | (again) | 22:03 |
| mfinkle | lcuk: right click on an image in firefox and "share" with sketch app or photo gallery | 22:03 |
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| lcuk | ahh right mfinkle you just want an open with dialog | 22:04 |
| lcuk | i thought you meant full on sharing | 22:04 |
| lcuk | with remote services | 22:04 |
| mfinkle | nope | 22:04 |
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| lcuk | "sharing" is difficult decision then | 22:04 |
| mfinkle | we can do remote services sharing easier than native app sharing! :) | 22:04 |
| lcuk | and dont you already have all the framework in place? based on movies and media? | 22:04 |
| mfinkle | lcuk: "sahring" is the Android term | 22:04 |
| mfinkle | sharing, that is :) | 22:04 |
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| mfinkle | see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Projects/Sharing for more details | 22:05 |
| lcuk | wouldnt be the first time android was wrong ;) | 22:05 |
| mfinkle | the "intent" system is damn slick though | 22:05 |
| mfinkle | there is a lot of ideas on that wiki page | 22:06 |
| lcuk | the example on your page shows sharing in android like i described :S | 22:06 |
| lcuk | remote services | 22:06 |
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| mfinkle | but the basic idea is captured here http://www.flickr.com/photos/madhava_work/4601159667/in/set-72157624047196360/ | 22:07 |
| lcuk | there is a whole sharing services api available on maemo already.. | 22:07 |
| mfinkle | like for flickr? | 22:08 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:08 |
| alterego | I know what I should do .. | 22:08 |
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| mfinkle | but what about passing data to modest to make an email | 22:08 |
| alterego | I should write a sharing service for Telepathy. | 22:08 |
| lcuk | mfinkle, open a picture on your n900 and select the sharing icon | 22:08 |
| alterego | So you can use the inbuilt sharing support to send contacts photo's and videos! | 22:08 |
| mfinkle | lcuk: yeah, I use that alot | 22:08 |
| alterego | Has anyone already done this? | 22:09 |
| mfinkle | lcuk: are there any docs on the sharing service? | 22:09 |
| mfinkle | I don't think it does what we want, but I could be wrong | 22:09 |
| alterego | Like I said, the sharing services only support sending photos and videos to services like flickr, facebook etc. | 22:10 |
| flailingmonkey | lcuk, they also want to be able to "share" links and text, to E-mail, SMS, IM, and some more | 22:10 |
| alterego | But, I'm planning (now) to write IM integration too :) | 22:10 |
| flailingmonkey | leveraging a users local apps | 22:11 |
| nidO | the sharing service lets you send any file | 22:11 |
| mfinkle | nidO: we don't want to send files | 22:11 |
| alterego | No ones cares :( I thought my idea was really cool | 22:11 |
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| nidO | ill rephrase, it now supports the sharing of any content, so sharing direct text using it shouldnt prove particularly complex | 22:12 |
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| mfinkle | nidO: nice | 22:12 |
| mfinkle | can I use it to send modest a contact, subject and body for an email? | 22:12 |
| mfinkle | or send the map app a geo-location? | 22:13 |
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| mfinkle | or address | 22:13 |
| lcuk | send via email | 22:13 |
| lcuk | send via bluetooth | 22:13 |
| lcuk | share via service | 22:14 |
| lcuk | x services available | 22:14 |
| lcuk | any file as nidO says | 22:14 |
| lcuk | so content upto apps | 22:14 |
| nidO | I have no idea if you can pre-fil the recipient and subject using the sharing service, as standard itll just pre-fill the content to share either in the body or as an attachment and open the message in modest | 22:14 |
| lcuk | well the sharing service could be adapted - you can have ux in there | 22:14 |
| flailingmonkey | alterego: sounds awesome. sending files to telepathy contacts, definitely a big deal | 22:14 |
| flailingmonkey | i don't think any of the conversation IM plugins support file sending | 22:15 |
| lcuk | alterego, yes your idea is good | 22:15 |
| Robot101 | flailingmonkey: sure they do | 22:15 |
| lcuk | tubes! | 22:15 |
| Robot101 | just install the file transfer UI | 22:15 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: no, just file transfer | 22:15 |
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| lcuk | aww | 22:15 |
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| alterego | Yeah, but this will be better than that file transfer ui | 22:16 |
| * lcuk has been reading tubes more | 22:16 | |
| Robot101 | the libsharing stuff was too much of a crazy mess for us to plug it into telepathy file sharing initially, so we made a new app first | 22:16 |
| alterego | The proper way to do it ;) | 22:16 |
| alterego | bbiab] | 22:16 |
| Robot101 | we're trying to get more of a handle on libsharing to plug telepathy in there too | 22:16 |
| Robot101 | but it's written by somebody who obviously isn't used to async mainloop programming and has crazy threads and all sorts of stuff | 22:16 |
| mfinkle | nidO, lcuk: ok, I'll try to dig up info on the sharing service | 22:16 |
| Robot101 | as in, our engineers found it pretty hard to understand and work with. even the ones who had the source. :/ | 22:17 |
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| flailingmonkey | where is file transfer ui? living in devel? | 22:17 |
| mfinkle | found http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Data_Sharing/Sharing_Plug-in | 22:17 |
| lcuk | alterego, how much do you know about telepathy and are you in a position to do some more digging | 22:17 |
| flailingmonkey | mfinkle: I mentioned that one a while back :P | 22:19 |
| nidO | looks like thatll do exactly what you want for email at least, you can bypass the sharing ui entirely to share content via email with modest and pre-fill any content you want | 22:21 |
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| mfinkle | damn, sorry flailingmonkey | 22:22 |
| mfinkle | nidO: right | 22:22 |
| mfinkle | we'd like to use SMS too, for sending raw text | 22:22 |
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| mfinkle | we might be able to make "plug-ins" for other services we'd like to support - facebook and twitter for example | 22:23 |
| nidO | thatll just be using dbus directly to send a message then, rather than going through the sharing api | 22:23 |
| mfinkle | nidO: for SMS? | 22:29 |
| mfinkle | is Telepathy the API for SMS too? | 22:29 |
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| mfinkle | or is it IM only | 22:30 |
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| alterego | lcuk: I'm pretty confident Telepathy now :) | 22:30 |
| alterego | I'll ping you later | 22:31 |
| mfinkle | found http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples | 22:31 |
| flailingmonkey | alterego, is SMS also exposed by Telepathy API? | 22:31 |
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| mamas-boy | knock, knock ? | 22:41 |
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| Myrtti | nobody home | 22:42 |
| Lantizia | Hey I've previously been able to mount the MyDocs partition inside the eMMC firmware file... can't remember how now though - can anyone else? | 22:43 |
| mamas-boy | see? I am nice. | 22:44 |
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| mamas-boy | shit, the fonts way too small in the browser....goin blind here | 22:49 |
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| Xenon|XZ | :( | 22:50 |
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| kafe | hi | 22:51 |
| kafe | is it normal for n97s to crash when someone queries you on irc? | 22:52 |
| kafe | i tried to irc from it but it crashes everytime i get aa pvt query | 22:52 |
| mamas-boy | N97 is an utter piece of shit....who wants mine for free? | 22:53 |
| mamas-boy | or u talking bout n900? | 22:54 |
| kafe | no the n97 | 22:54 |
| kafe | i got maemo on it | 22:54 |
| kafe | and the soiftware crashes everytime someone queries | 22:54 |
| kafe | annoying | 22:54 |
| mamas-boy | u did? kool dude | 22:54 |
| mamas-boy | but with dat weak processor and half ass ram how can it handle maemo? | 22:55 |
| kafe | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Software-Updates/Maemo-5-on-N97/m-p/566203 | 22:56 |
| kafe | i guess it supports it now doesnt it | 22:56 |
| kafe | big mouth | 22:56 |
| ManoftheSea | I want an n920 | 22:56 |
| kafe | if you choose to do an upgrade they give you maemo | 22:56 |
| kafe | and i took up maemo | 22:57 |
| kafe | the old software with the n97 was even worse | 22:57 |
| mamas-boy | say whut ??? | 22:57 |
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| kafe | read the fucking link big mouth | 22:57 |
| mamas-boy | they give you maemo on pos n90 ??? | 22:57 |
| kafe | did you read the link? | 22:57 |
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| mamas-boy | what fucken link? | 22:57 |
| kafe | no if you wished to do an upgrade nokia gives you the choice of installing maemo on it | 22:57 |
| kafe | what a bloody troll | 22:58 |
| kafe | stfu | 22:58 |
| mamas-boy | wow...thats huge man | 22:58 |
| kafe | anyone else has maemo running on the n97? | 22:58 |
| mamas-boy | sorry didnt see yer link mate | 22:58 |
| mamas-boy | but.... | 22:59 |
| mamas-boy | there nothing in that link that states nokia will upgrade yer n97 to maemo....learn to fucken read mate | 23:00 |
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| Xenon|XZ | no need to be nasty.... ;) | 23:00 |
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| mamas-boy | he started it | 23:01 |
| mamas-boy | called me "big mouth" | 23:01 |
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| trip0 | now now kids, lets play nice | 23:02 |
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| mamas-boy | funny how quickly he left | 23:03 |
| Xenon|XZ | oh well | 23:04 |
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| kafe | not quite | 23:04 |
| kafe | i got disconnected | 23:04 |
| kafe | and i wasnt the big mouth, you were being a smart ass know it all thinking i was talking outta my ass, till i showed you the link | 23:05 |
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| tekojo | would you people go somewhere else to troll? | 23:05 |
| nidO | nah, you're just being a rude fucker, and there's nothing on that link even suggesting the possibility of maemo on the n97, because there's no such thing | 23:05 |
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| flailingmonkey | i need a resume javascript button :P | 23:07 |
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| mamas-boy | i wasnt the big mouth....you started talking stupid shit | 23:07 |
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| mamas-boy | there will NEVER I repeat NEVER maemo on n97 | 23:09 |
| flailingmonkey | that would be quite unexpected | 23:09 |
| Stskeeps | who'd want maemo on such low resolution anyway? :P | 23:09 |
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| mamas-boy | n97 is a weak pos | 23:09 |
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| MohammadAG | maemo 4 would run on an N97 | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | i vote we discuss bacon instead | 23:10 |
| mamas-boy | yes but run like shit | 23:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 23:10 |
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| * MohammadAG votes for that too | 23:11 | |
| mamas-boy | just because it can run dont mean it good | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | let's discuss getting rid of crashanddie too | 23:11 |
| tekojo | hmmm bacon... | 23:11 |
| trip0 | bacon can run meamo 6 | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG | no my friend, bacon can run crysis | 23:11 |
| trip0 | it can run crysis on maemo6 | 23:11 |
| mamas-boy | that fucker made it sound he had it runnin.... | 23:11 |
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| lbt | mamas-boy: what about my 3210? can I have it on there? | 23:12 |
| Ro9u3oR | Hi all, | 23:12 |
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| Venemo | hi | 23:12 |
| mamas-boy | yo dudes | 23:12 |
| kafe | MohammadAG yes it does | 23:12 |
| kafe | just weak | 23:12 |
| flailingmonkey | omnonom | 23:12 |
| kafe | but better than symbian nonsense | 23:12 |
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| Ro9u3oR | I been trying to install Easy debian on my n900 and have been having issues i hope you could help me with | 23:13 |
| mamas-boy | symbian is shit | 23:13 |
| kafe | mamas-boy you silly fuck i have it running | 23:13 |
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| kafe | its slow but works just fine | 23:13 |
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| nidO | course you do | 23:13 |
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| Ro9u3oR | Everytime i go to install the Debian image i get a msg saying " Main:Debian 5/6 image with working audio (main Server)" | 23:14 |
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| mamas-boy | kafe: show us fucken screenshots or somethi...otherwise no | 23:15 |
| Stskeeps | kafe: and how do you boot the linux kernel? | 23:16 |
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| nidO | im gonna laugh my ass off when he comes back with screenshots of a symbian n97 with gdesk and the maemo theme installed | 23:17 |
| mamas-boy | dudes full of shit | 23:17 |
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| flailingmonkey | rofl, obvious troll is obvious | 23:18 |
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| rd | Does anybody know if the camera can be used from a command line application (like take a photo every 5 sec and stream it) ? | 23:20 |
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| lardman|home | lcuk: re icon, no idea, that's just the way it came out - ask dragly | 23:20 |
| lardman|home | Stskeeps: bacon...? :) | 23:21 |
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| rd | I want to stream the content of a whiteboard, the frontside camera image quality for video conferencing is not sufficient. | 23:21 |
| DrGrov | Small question about charging yet again. | 23:21 |
| flailingmonkey | there are APIs to access the camera | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | Can I use my fiancees N97 charger for my N900? | 23:22 |
| vldcnst | rd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Shoot_photo_after_10_seconds ? | 23:22 |
| lardman|home | flailingmonkey: yes of course | 23:22 |
| lcuk | lardman|home, reasonable enough, is that storing the barcode image ? | 23:22 |
| mamas-boy | DrGrov: yes | 23:22 |
| trip0 | DrGrov, if it's a usb charger, sure? | 23:22 |
| lardman|home | lcuk: yeah, is a history snapshot | 23:22 |
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| * lcuk nods | 23:22 | |
| DrGrov | No difference in the charger itself? | 23:22 |
| lardman|home | till-roll stylee | 23:22 |
| lcuk | yeah sure | 23:22 |
| DrGrov | All Nokia USB chargers will work with each USB-typed phone? | 23:23 |
| lcuk | greece goalie was a dude | 23:23 |
| lardman|home | atm the history is not restored, so am just implementing that | 23:23 |
| lcuk | ahh | 23:23 |
| lardman|home | DrGrov: usb has a fixed voltage afaiu, so I guess sp | 23:23 |
| lardman|home | so | 23:23 |
| DrGrov | mamas-boy: ok, i will charge it with my fiancees N97. I hate this now since I put my own charger somewhere and can not find it. Is it a big difference with the USB to regular charger how fast it charges? | 23:24 |
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| lardman|home | yep | 23:24 |
| lardman|home | but better than nothing | 23:24 |
| DrGrov | the output of the N97 charger is 1200 mA | 23:25 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, whichever method for charging you use - you can optimise the time it takes: turn off screen and wifi - i charge when out and about from my laptop much quicker that way | 23:25 |
| trip0 | my n900 charges rather slowly over usb on *some* computers | 23:25 |
| mamas-boy | wall chargers are faster than usb to pc ones | 23:25 |
| lcuk | trip0, you can enter negative equity technically | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: USB charging is kinda welldefined, so yes, each correct USB charger should work with each device charging over USB | 23:25 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: ok, i have nothing turned on in the phone now. | 23:25 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, good :) tis just sensible advice really | 23:25 |
| mamas-boy | my pc to usb cable charging take for fraking ages man | 23:25 |
| lardman|home | DrGrov: is this a wall charger though @1200mA? | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: yes of course. it is a big difference, but logical to figure it out still :) | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | lardman|home: yes, 1200 mA | 23:26 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, you would be surprised.. | 23:26 |
| lardman|home | well that's going to be quite fast like the N900 wall charger then | 23:26 |
| trip0 | the little magnet thingy on my kickstand came off... | 23:26 |
| DrGrov | it is quite good, it has that same B symbol on it and thus perhaps exactly the same | 23:27 |
| lardman|home | quite probably | 23:27 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: how is the battery question these days? sensible to buy a new battery to keep with me? or just unnecessary? | 23:28 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the information. you know, just curious about all kind of things. lol :) | 23:28 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, depends entirely on usage | 23:28 |
| lcuk | i take one if im on a train journey and watching movies entire way | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: i feel restricted now with just 1 battery somehow. i am always constantly afraid to run out of battery. | 23:29 |
| lcuk | but not in normal conditions | 23:29 |
| Myrtti | meh meh meh meh | 23:29 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, :P | 23:29 |
| asj_ | trip0: ?? | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | Myrtti: PMS? | 23:29 |
| DrGrov | Myrtti: oh, damn it! wrong person, sorry..... | 23:29 |
| mamas-boy | whut ??? | 23:30 |
| vldcnst | rd: do you need more help with that? | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | nevermind, i go and disappear now | 23:30 |
| trip0 | asj_, kickstand is flopping in the wind... I need to find some super glue to glue the magnet back on | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: good plan | 23:30 |
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| mamas-boy | what happened to the magnet? | 23:30 |
| asj_ | trip0: yup, is the one in the back or the annoying plastic bit? | 23:30 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: you are a developer? | 23:31 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, sometimes | 23:31 |
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| trip0 | mamas-boy, luckily the magnet is still attached to the other magnet | 23:31 |
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| lcuk | trip0, omg how will you get them apart? :o | 23:31 |
| trip0 | amazing how magnets "stick" together :P | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | trip0: though it's actually just a magnetic piece of iron. The magnet is in the back cover and seves second purpose to activate a hall switch unmounting the uSD when cover removed | 23:32 |
| trip0 | lcuk, idk... :S I haven't thought that far ahead yet | 23:32 |
| DrGrov | now it will be interesting to see what the battery state is after almost 24 hours of complete idle use. | 23:32 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, magnetic piece of iron == same as a magnet.. | 23:32 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, why the question? device happily lasts 24h | 23:32 |
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| lardman|home | ah, but you want rare earth to rip fingers off | 23:33 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: yes but i am always god damn paranoid since i never know when i am taking calls on-the-fly nonstop | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: paperclip (is element of) magnetic piece of iron | 23:33 |
| lardman|home | -magnets that is | 23:33 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, stroke paperclip lovingly with a magnet | 23:33 |
| lardman|home | or with silk so I understand | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | lcuk: does it last 48 hours without any calls and just standby idle with keylock on? | 23:34 |
| lcuk | dim the lights | 23:34 |
| lcuk | put on the barry white | 23:34 |
| lardman|home | DrGrov: yes | 23:34 |
| rd | vldcnst: thanks, very nice page :-) | 23:34 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, idk | 23:34 |
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| lcuk | oh fiddlesticks | 23:34 |
| lcuk | ive lost my lighter | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | lardman|home: ok, so no need to keep charging every day good.... | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | damn this, i gotta find myself a new brain somewhere. | 23:35 |
| rd | -sh: /usr/bin/gst-launch: not found | 23:35 |
| lardman|home | DrGrov: no, I don't necessarily do so, but would if I could | 23:35 |
| asj_ | lcukn900: http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=70_80 -- try to get some of these apart ;) | 23:35 |
| rd | which package does bring gst-launch ? | 23:35 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, charge as you see it needs it | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | getting too damn insane about these all kind of things forth and back | 23:35 |
| lardman|home | can last a couple of days with calls, but not any real interneting (and not 3G for sure) | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | i just keep it in 2G all the time to consume battery | 23:35 |
| lardman|home | conserve? | 23:35 |
| lardman|home | I guess ;) | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | ah yes of course | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | conserve | 23:36 |
| Appiah | :) | 23:36 |
| DrGrov | you see | 23:36 |
| DrGrov | i am becoming insane | 23:36 |
| lardman|home | same here, but still eats it faster than wifi | 23:36 |
| lcuk | is there a threshhold? | 23:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | threshold? for what? | 23:37 |
| lardman|home | sudden transition as soon as you view TMO you reckon? | 23:37 |
| vldcnst | rd: gstreamer-tools | 23:37 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, insanity | 23:38 |
| Lantizia | wow the nokia guys have symlinked half the things I normally do with 1.2 in to /opt | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 23:38 |
| lcuk | DrGrov, said he was becoming it | 23:38 |
| Lantizia | including the apt cache | 23:39 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, yes, and with a reproducable package too | 23:39 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, what do you mean by that? | 23:39 |
| Lantizia | theres still a few dirs in /usr and /usr/share that I normally move to the eMMC | 23:39 |
| Lantizia | not sure if I should now | 23:39 |
| Lantizia | nokia must have left them out for good reason | 23:39 |
| lcuk | random scripts to change system on the wiki that then gets forgotten about causes no end of problems ;) | 23:39 |
| rd | vldcnst: thanks, I found gstreamer0.10-tools | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I claim I never *get* insane - impossible by definition of 'get' | 23:40 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, you could add them to the optify configuration file | 23:40 |
| Lantizia | and that is? | 23:40 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime | 23:40 |
| Lantizia | all I mean is (for example)... move /usr/share/sounds to /opt/usr/share/sounds and symlink it | 23:41 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, what happens if subfolders within the usrsharesounds had symlinks already | 23:42 |
| Lantizia | 3.3Msounds, 10.6Mlocale, 3.3Mmime, 1.1Mtutorial-applet, 2.0Mzoneinfo | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: probably meant to enable the very initial batery charging sound on ACT_DEAD (when there's no *real* system up and running) | 23:42 |
| Lantizia | all the others I normally do Nokia has already done | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: these 5 seem sane to move to /opt, for me | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | some are even quite obvious, like tutorial-applet | 23:44 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, oh and include, local, src, and var from /usr - but these have practically nothing in them | 23:44 |
| Lantizia | but could fill up | 23:44 |
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| DrGrov | it looked like a fully charged battery even after 24 hours of idle | 23:45 |
| DrGrov | will be interesting to monitor how long it takes to charge it full now | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's probably safe for them as well, as there's obviously nothing in them which is system critical | 23:45 |
| ioan | hi. I have a openvpn connection between my n900 and my computer, can I surf the web over the openvpn connection? | 23:45 |
| Lantizia | ioan, I think you've just gotta tell the openvpn applet to use it for all routes | 23:46 |
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| alterego | head ache | 23:47 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, well I like to install everything I like including bit stuff like openarena... so I normally increase /home from 2GB to 21GB and MyDocs down from 29GB to 8GB.... but I'm thinking maybe thats silly and I should have 8GB for /home and 21GB for MyDocs? Seem like a sensible amount for avoiding disk space issues for someone who installs lots of packages especiailly from extras-devel... or do I need more? | 23:48 |
| Lantizia | s/bit/big | 23:48 |
| E0x | why not just do symlinks ? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: sorry, don't know. To me 2GB seems plenty | 23:49 |
| E0x | what ppl get complicate with partitions ? | 23:49 |
| E0x | s/what/why/h | 23:49 |
| Lantizia | E0x, I do... and if you want more space then symlinks don't cut it | 23:49 |
| E0x | err g* | 23:49 |
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| Lantizia | as you're still stuck to 2GB | 23:49 |
| E0x | symlink the bigs folder to Mydocs | 23:49 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, i would like to have this discussion with you, but tonights not the night | 23:49 |
| lcuk | (for me ) | 23:50 |
| Lantizia | E0x, then it gets screwed if you plug USB in | 23:50 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, what is it you need to know? | 23:50 |
| E0x | well with usb in in storage mode i don't do anything with my phone | 23:50 |
| E0x | that is not access the data on it | 23:50 |
| E0x | so is ok for me | 23:50 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, its not need to know, its considering the case of 2gb and above - something discussed whilst we were doing this optify | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | E0x: symlink to MyDocs will shoot your foot when USB mass storage | 23:50 |
| Lantizia | E0x, no but I don't want half of /usr disappearing when programs run from there | 23:50 |
| lcuk | i'd like to chat about it but i have to vanish | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohh, you answered that | 23:51 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer: i mean you don't use the app when you have it in storage mode | 23:51 |
| E0x | a least idont | 23:51 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, well I've had my N900 repartitioned for about 5 months now with /home as 21GB and optified just a little bit more than nokia did with PR1.2 - worked perfectly | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, me waves (diner) | 23:51 |
| E0x | bye | 23:51 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, ok cya :) | 23:52 |
| E0x | Lantizia: ok | 23:52 |
| lcuk | yeah, we were quite conservative with the optify to be careful. will catch you again | 23:52 |
| lcuk | \o | 23:52 |
| E0x | Lantizia: in the end that is the cool thing of n900 | 23:52 |
| E0x | the freedom of do whatever you want | 23:52 |
| Lantizia | already been doing that since december :) | 23:52 |
| E0x | :D | 23:52 |
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| Lantizia | just re-installing for PR1.2 now and deciding what I want this time around for partition sizes | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | I compromised - and resized mydocs to 4G, and made a ext2 partition in the remaining space | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | worked well | 23:53 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, you made an additional partition between MyDocs and /home ? | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:53 |
| SpeedEvil | mounted in /home/user/data | 23:54 |
| Lantizia | surely /home failed to mount as it's lost it's number | 23:54 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, please start a discussion on the -dev mailing list :) | 23:54 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, why? | 23:54 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: There is a spare partition entry. That's where I put the data partition - nothing else needs to move | 23:54 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, oh cool... so is it like MyDocs is 1... /home is 3 and swap is 4 ? | 23:55 |
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| lcuk | Lantizia, because i know 2gb will become full for people at some point and i'd like to have someone with experience quoting alternative sizes | 23:55 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, ah I know what you mean... MyDocs is 1, home is 2, swap is 3 but you've made it between 1 and 3 but numbered it 4 right? | 23:56 |
| * lcuk runs tho | 23:56 | |
| Lantizia | sorry 1 and 2 | 23:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: soDisk /dev/mmcblk0: 977024 cylinders, 4 heads, 16 sectors/track | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Units = cylinders of 32768 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/mmcblk0p1 0+ 122069 122070- 3906232 c W95 FAT32 (LBA) | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/mmcblk0p2 884865 950400 65536 2097152 83 Linux | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/mmcblk0p3 950401 974976 24576 786432 82 Linux swap / Solaris | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | /dev/mmcblk0p4 122070 884864 762795 24409440 83 Linux | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | argh | 23:57 |
| SpeedEvil | that was meant to go into pastebin | 23:57 |
| Lantizia | yeah thats what I thought :D | 23:57 |
| Lantizia | I already said it hehe | 23:57 |
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| Lantizia | why a data partition then? | 23:57 |
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