IRC log of #maemo for Wednesday, 2010-06-23

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LantiziaYou know what... I think my trick for repartitioning now doesn't work on PR1.2 since more stuff has been optified :S00:05
LantiziaIt's a lovely reboot cycle! yay!00:05
LantiziaWill bbl, need food00:05
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trip0linux action show reviewed the n900 this week00:09
trip0they really like it00:10
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E0xtrip0: yes i see it00:11
mecetrip0, what's linux action show? Also, cool :D00:11
E0xbut they need inform more about it before00:11
E0xbecause they confuse the microsd slot00:11
E0xwith microsim slot00:11
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trip0mece, it's a podcast00:12
trip0E0x, yeah, i noticed that :P00:12
trip0pretty funny00:12
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E0xtrip0: that make me stop watch the show00:15
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trip0meh, if i didn't already know it was a microsd slot, i could have confused it for a microsim00:15
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ping00:20
tremnite all, sweet dreams00:21
Lantiziatrip0, you expect a phone to both have a sim and a microsim :D00:21
trip0Lantizia, no.  but the hosts of the show did00:21
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trip0they thought it was cool there there was both for when you are traveling to places that only use microsim00:22
E0xtrip0: that show that they dont do the proper research of the phone to make a "review"00:22
trip0i can't think of a review that has gotten everything perfect00:23
trip0some do better than others though00:23
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* Arkenoi thinks microsim idea is stupid00:23
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Arkenoimy wrist watch has full sized sim00:23
Arkenoiand there is plenty of space for it00:23
Arkenoiit could even have full sd instead of micro i think00:24
trip0E0x, I can appreciate the review from a "user's perspective" rather than the run of the mill "journalist perspective"00:24
jacekowskiArkenoi: wrist watch with full sized sim?00:24
Arkenoijacekowski, cect w60000:24
jacekowskiArkenoi: you mean ISO 7816 sized card?00:25
Arkenoinope ;-)00:25
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Arkenoijust "usual" sim00:25
Arkenoiiso 7816 would be too big ;-)00:25
Arkenoiso it is not "full sized" actually00:25
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jacekowskiyou just said full sized00:26
Arkenoiit was a long time since i had a phone with "full sized" sim ;-)00:26
jacekowskiit's caled mini sim00:26
jacekowskithat small one00:26
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jacekowskihow long does battery last in that watch00:27
Arkenoijacekowski, 3-4 days00:27
jacekowskibetter than n90000:28
jacekowskihmm, maybe not wow00:28
jacekowskithat's not too hard really00:28
jacekowskiwell, everything lasts longer than n90000:28
Arkenoiif you do not have active data connection all the time ;-)00:28
Arkenoiif you do, there are just a few phones that last longer00:28
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Arkenoiand there are no androids among those00:29
Arkenoia few chinese wm models that have battery twice the size of the phone00:30
Arkenoiand some lucky symbians from nokia00:30
Arkenoiso n900 is rather good in it00:31
jacekowskiwell, it's one day of sitting in my pocket00:31
jacekowskiwith no data connection00:31
jacekowski( because there is no gsm signal in my pocket )00:31
Arkenoijacekowski, then something is wrong with it00:32
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Arkenoido you have your pocked shielded with aluminium foil?00:32
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jacekowskithere is shitloads of steel around me00:32
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jacekowskiand place where i work is in middle of nowhere anyways00:32
jacekowskiso if you add this two things00:33
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crashanddieGAN900: on N900 or on desktop?00:36
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jacekowskiluke-jr: i have to give my work phone number to everybody if they want to call me during a day00:38
jacekowskiluke-jr: otherwise it's not going to happen00:38
luke-jrjacekowski: my N900 doesn't support cellular service :P00:38
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jacekowskiluke-jr: so how does it make phone calls?00:39
luke-jrjacekowski: who said it does?\00:39
jacekowskii made at least couple calls with it00:40
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luke-jrjacekowski: maybe yours does :P00:40
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luke-jrN900 only supports GSM/3G though00:40
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luke-jrwhich doesn't exist in Omaha00:40
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LantiziaSpeedEvil, hey I used to repartition using sfdisk directly after a fresh firmware+emmc reflash and reboot... then when it comes back I use mkfs and re-fill the new partitions00:41
LantiziaSpeedEvil, it appears that PR1.2 isn't so forgiving! how have you done your repartitioning?00:42
luke-jris Nokia's XMPP/Jingle implementation open source?00:42
Lantiziai.e. after using sfdisk and reboot - it just reboots all the time00:42
SpeedEvilLantizia: See the above paste00:43
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LantiziaSpeedEvil, I don't see a paste00:45
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MohammadAGI can haz ssh access to i5 cause I rm -rf'd /dev/* pweese?00:47
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SpeedEvilat about 1:50 ago00:47
LantiziaSpeedEvil, you mean your partition layout? how does that help00:48
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SpeedEvilIt explains how I've done my repartitioning00:48
LantiziaSpeedEvil, it just shows what your partitions look like, not how you did it00:49
SpeedEviltar up all from mydocs onto /home00:49
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SpeedEvilResize partition00:49
SpeedEvilusing fdisk00:50
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SpeedEvilmkvfat it00:50
SpeedEviluntar, reboot00:50
Lantiziawait wait00:50
Lantiziafirst of all theres no fdisk only sdisk00:50
Lantiziaand neither of them can resize partitions... just write new partition tables00:50
SpeedEvilapt-get install cfdisk00:50
SpeedEvilI think I used00:50
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SpeedEvilyou delete and recreate00:50
SpeedEvilit's not really hard00:51
Lantiziawell I can do that with sfdisk which is built in00:51
Lantiziabut in order to use the new partitions you must reboot first00:51
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Lantiziamind you - you don't touch /home do you?00:51
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SpeedEvilOr swap00:52
Lantiziathats what it probbaly is00:52
SpeedEviljust add a new partition in partition 4, and resize mydocs00:52
LantiziaI make home bigger by making mydocs smaller00:52
LantiziaI don't need or want a 4th partition00:52
SpeedEvilI think I mounted it as mass storage, so the phone UI wouldn't be confused00:52
SpeedEvilfair enough00:52
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Lantiziamind you it's odd how you can mkvfat p4 when the system didn't have p4 that looks like that when it booted up00:53
Lantizianormally it'd need a reboot to read the new partition layout - even for a partition that didn't exist before00:53
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LantiziaI'm gonna try doing this without rebooting00:54
Lantiziawatch me fail00:55
SpeedEvilThis is based on memory of events 6 months ago00:55
SpeedEvilSo, I may be wrong.00:55
SpeedEvilI don't think I rebooted though00:55
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silbo_____where could i get halp with nokia f-bus?00:56
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SpeedEvilI don't think there is one on the n90000:57
SpeedEvilOr rather - if there is - nobody has released details00:58
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, what details?00:59
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SpeedEvilof f/m-bus01:01
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silbo_____i have nokia 2650 and I'm stuck with syncing f-bus01:03
silbo_____with my microcontroller01:03
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alteregoWeird ..01:04
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alteregoI've just opened a web browser, full screen and there are no controls ...01:04
alteregoJust using dbus to call microb with 'load_url' :/01:04
SpeedEvilsilbo_____: ##electronics?01:05
silbo_____yea i have this #gnokii channel but theres no one aswering01:06
SpeedEvildon't know that channel01:06
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silbo_____gnokii is a opensource software for communication over the f-bus01:07
silbo_____sending sms and calendar events01:07
jacekowskignokii isn't for fbus01:08
silbo_____you sure?01:09
jacekowskiit's talking over fbus only to couple phones01:09
silbo_____ok, but jacekowiski you know something about the f-bus syncing?01:10
silbo_____im trying to sync f-bus with my microcontroller with no success01:10
jacekowskiare you bitbanging it?01:11
silbo_____ i read this01:11
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silbo_____im sending 128 times the 'U' in hex01:12
jacekowskibut how are you connecting phone to your uC01:12
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silbo_____i have a Atmega644P, im connecting the fbus serial directly to the microcontroller serial01:12
silbo_____do i have to use rs232?01:13
jacekowskihmm, i'm just wondering if you phone f-bus interface is protected against over voltage01:13
jacekowskiif it isn't it's probably dead01:14
silbo_____yea, i didn't find eny spec about the serials voltage range01:14
SpeedEvilIt will be whatever the phone micro is running at01:14
jacekowskisilbo_____: it's probably 3.3V or less01:15
silbo_____ok, i know my Atmega gives out 5V max01:15
SpeedEvil5V could easily be enough to kill it01:15
jacekowskienough to kill that interface01:15
silbo_____at least for digital outs01:15
jacekowskiso get another phone01:15
jacekowskiyour f-bus interface is dead01:15
silbo_____lol xD01:15
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jacekowskiwhat's funny about it?01:16
silbo_____ok, but how can i do some level shifting then?01:16
LantiziaSpeedEvil, whenever I write a new table it tells me it can't re-read the table "BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy"01:17
jacekowskiwell, it's too late now01:17
silbo_____i got the phone for 1 dollar xD01:17
LantiziaSpeedEvil, I've turned swap off and MyDocs is unmounted... so that just means /home01:17
jacekowskisilbo_____: i would buy 20 of them01:17
jacekowskii did that once01:17
jacekowskiand ended up with fire01:18
jacekowskiand burned PLC I/O card01:18
jacekowskiworth like £25001:18
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silbo_____ will this help me convert the voltage?01:21
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crashanddiesilbo_____: won't help you one bit, because that's a gif image01:24
silbo_____lol, I have a rs232, I havent looked trough the schematics, but i think it's the same01:25
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vldcnstgood one crashanddie.01:25
Lantiziabollocks as soon as you killall -9 hildon-home it reboots! NOOO01:25
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vldcnsthum hum, so I bought today an lcd screen and I used the light sensor to test multiple panels and choose the one with least blacklight bleeding. n900 ftw!01:29
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LantiziaIs there something that detects a crash and reboots?01:30
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DocScrutinizersilbo_____: there are a couple of nice levelshifters at MAXIM. Also for sending from high level to LV-RX a 200R plus Zener usually serves the purpose. The other direction (LV-TX->high level RX) usually is less critical, as for example 'normal' RS232 is defined as +/-12V out, but input nondefined window is only 0..3.3V01:31
jacekowskiLantizia: on n900?01:31
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: he just needs to interface 3.3V with 5V01:31
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: couple resistors will do the job01:31
DocScrutinizersilbo_____: so if your input is sensitive enough and has no pullup or ehatever...01:31
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: avr to 3.3V fbus01:32
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: residtor plus clamp diaode or Zener01:32
jacekowskiLantizia: ???01:32
asjDocScrutinizer: maxim is never a good choice01:33
DocScrutinizeruhuh... why?01:33
jacekowskimaxim is always a good choice01:34
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asjDocScrutinizer: I've always had problems getting parts out of them, more than samples anyways, which they seem to have bucket loads of, so maybe they're good as long as you just want samples01:34
DocScrutinizerI'd suggest to buy parts a digikey or whatever01:36
asjif you want cut tape01:36
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DocScrutinizerBS, the MAXIM page just raped my CPU01:36
DocScrutinizerok, maxim is the hoofed one01:37
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jacekowskiare we talking about maxim or maxim-ic01:37
jacekowskii'm lost nw01:37
jacekowskiwell, let's talk about maxim01:37
asjis maxim the mag still around?01:37 was boring XP01:37
jacekowskihot chick on front page01:38
jacekowskilot of them01:38
DocScrutinizerHELL!!! had to kill konqueror01:38
DocScrutinizersilbo_____: so please fnd out about max232 and friends for yourself01:39
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silbo_____ok thx for the halp guys, I that voltage confirmation was the thing that i needed01:39
silbo_____ok good night, ill go to bed01:40
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DocScrutinizersilbo_____: as a general rule it's usually a good idea to get a commercial "data cable" for the particular Nokia01:41
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DocScrutinizeryou get a decent plug, plus levelshifter, plus sometimes USB<->tty converter01:42
DocScrutinizereasy to revamp01:42
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lardman|homeshould I be able to insert a QIcon in a layout object?01:46
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asjlardman|home: a QIcon is a file thingy not a QWidget no? memory is failing me01:47
lardman|homeI dunno01:47
asj -- they are amazing docs01:48
lardman|homeI don't see there what the parent classes are though01:48
asj -- look at the Detailed Description01:49
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asj(it doesn't state is in huge bold letters, but it doesn't inherit anything, it is the base class)01:51
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lardman|homeah ok01:51
lardman|homewill try a pixmap instead as I think that can be a paint device01:51
lardman|homewhich sounds about right01:51
cyndisQLabel label; label.setPixmap(pixmap) to show a pixmap in a layout01:53
lardman|homeor can I show a QImage directly?01:53
cyndisqimages are automatically converted to qpixmaps when they are shown on screen, so if you plan to display it better have it as a qpixmap01:54
lardman|homecan I do the declaration and setPixmap in one command (to pass to a fn)?01:54
cyndisi suppose you can do setPixmap(new QPixmap("foo.png"))01:55
lardman|homeother way round though01:55
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lardman|home(new QLabel).setPixmap(pm)01:55
lardman|homeor similar01:55
cyndiswell, you need to add that qlabel to the layout anyway, so you need to have it declared separately01:56
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lardman|homethat's what I'm doing, trying to stick it all in the addWidget() call01:56
cyndisah yes01:56
asjisn't this the exact code snibbits from the already linked to docs?01:56
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cyndisyou probably can't do it in one expression01:57
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lardman|homecyndis: ok, was just wondering01:58
lardman|homeasj: didn't/can't see it01:58
crashanddielardman|home: go to bed01:59
lardman|homeyeah soon01:59
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MohammadAGcrashanddie, you're not his dad02:01
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lardman|homehe is right though, getting late! :)02:03
lardman|homedoesn't happen often, so we should allow him his victory ;)02:03
lardman|homeyay, has worked, thanks chaps02:05
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LantiziaI don't get it... prior to PR1.2 you could change the partition table... reboot and it'd come back ready for you the mkfs... on PR1.2 you reboot and it reboot loops02:07
GAN900crashanddie, pong?02:07
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asjLantizia: to free up space on / they moved bits to the eMMC I believe...maybe it's missing something?02:09
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Lantiziaasj, yeah I realise02:11
ShadowJKIf you mess up the emmc in 1.2 you lose files you need to boot, I believe..02:11
LantiziaShadowJK, which files?02:12
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lardman|homeok, here's another one for you QT gurus, how do I extract a QPixmap from a QVariantHash?02:13
DocScrutinizerGAN900: pingpong?02:13
LantiziaShadowJK, my only other option is to kill the 4 or 5 processes locking files in /home and remake /home without rebooting - but if I kill hildon-home then it reboots, know a way of stopping it rebooting when it detects a crash?02:13
lardman|homesomething like: itemData.value("barcodeImage").value<QPixmap>()02:13
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ShadowJKSo what I did last time I was messing with stuff like that, was to put my commands in /etc, somewhere early during boot.. and enclosed them all in a if [ ! -e /dontdoit ] { stuff.... ; touch /dontdoit }, and then I also had a bootmenu script, so that if I booted with keypad open, the scripts I modified were replaced from backups02:15
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: if Nokia wasn't completely out of their mind, they had a look at arbitrary Unix admin HowTo and kept the executables and config data needed for boot in /bin and /sbin and /etc and /lib, and take /usr for just what it's been meant to be: Unix System Resources NOT NEEDED FOR BOOT02:16
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Lantiziawell it was certainly like that before :S02:16
ShadowJKIt's the corporation side of things that make the N900 reboot if it thinks it can't show a pretty GUI to the user :-02:17
Lantiziato be honest I don't buy this reason - theres nothing critical that has been optified02:17
ShadowJKiirc I accidentally found the bits of script once that made a new /home on the NAND if /home was broken... maybe that bit has changed :P02:18
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LantiziaShadowJK, yeah when I've made new partitions and reboots it used to make a home directory on /02:19
ShadowJKyeah nand is /02:19
LantiziaShadowJK, I'd then just mount the partition on top of it and copy the old home in to it02:19
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DocScrutinizerLantizia: reboot on kill process is usually because the process was started by err DME, DSME ?? sth like that02:20
LantiziaMaybe it's time to go back to basics02:20
ShadowJKI discovered it by accident when I ran fsck on /home out of a script during early boot so that /home wasn't mounted. fsck on flash-based media turned out to be a catastrophy though :D02:20
LantiziaAnd modify the eMMC image02:20
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LantiziaTherefore no repartitioning is needed02:20
DocScrutinizerLantizia: dsmetool --help02:22
DocScrutinizer  -r --start-reset=<cmd>          Start a process02:23
DocScrutinizer                                   (on process exit, do SW reset)02:23
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, what exactly is that?02:24
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DocScrutinizerLantizia: find the location where hildon-desktop is started (presumably by dsmetool -r /foo/bar/hildon-desktop) and edit it02:24
Lantiziaah then reboot?02:24
DocScrutinizerthen reboot - then safely 'killall hildon-desktop'02:24
Lantiziahmm... don't suppose you know which file contains the dsmetool commands?02:25
DocScrutinizergrep is your friend.02:25
DocScrutinizertry /etc/*02:25
ShadowJKalso look at things that assign dsmetool to a variable name02:25
Lantiziaso if this works I don't have to reboot after writing the new partition table02:25
Lantiziaif swap is off, mydocs and home is unmounted - it'll re-read ok02:25
* lardman|home leaves his variant hashes until the morrow02:25
ShadowJKI think one of the RD mode flags disable dsmetool reboot on process-death02:26
lardman|homenight chaps, thanks for the various bits of help02:26
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* ShadowJK managed to accidentally enable that on Maemo4 when trying to kill the watchdog..02:26
Lantiziaor alternatively what are the odd's on an altered eMMC ?02:26
vldcnstWhat's 'talk beta tester'?02:27
LantiziaI still don't get why PR1.2 has made this more difficult :S02:27
DocScrutinizerLantizia: speedevil and ruskie did that. Talk to them02:27
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, they altered the eMMC?02:27
DocScrutinizera lot of people did so far, aiui02:27
LantiziaSpoke with SpeedEvil earlier, all he did as far as I know is add a 4th partition directly on the N90002:27
Lantiziaruskie, are you about to confirm ? :P02:28
asjLantizia: well arguably, 1.2 makes it a more robust phone for non-developers.  More root space is important and when a transient bad thing happens it reboots and 'clears' the problem.  All of which are good things for end users.02:28
Lantiziaasj, sure but theres nothing about the optifications that would prevent it booting any more than 1.1.102:28
asjLantizia: aren't all the themes optified?02:29
Lantiziaoh actually yeah02:29
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asjyou could make the argument (and ok I would too) it should have a basic theme it can boot in case of "themeing failure" but...there's only so many resources02:30
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ShadowJKAre the fonts also optified? ;)02:30
Lantiziaso I'm faced with a custom eMMC which might be handy to put the maps back in anyway... or a long list of tricky process killing02:30
LantiziaShadowJK, yes02:31
DocScrutinizerLantizia: grep -r 'dsmetool.*hildon-desktop' /etc02:31
Lantiziahowever they could have optified "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" in /usr/share02:31
Lantiziasave another 30 to 40mb there02:31
DocScrutinizer/etc/X11/ -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t /usr/bin/hildon-desktop02:32
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ShadowJKwell maps for sure ;p02:32
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mamas-boydoes anybody know how to change the color of my own text in xchat. Right now it's this lame grey.02:32
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, I don't like the sound of that - it's gone past the point of an elegant solution02:32
LantiziaI'd rather look at the eMMC image file for a bit02:32
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ShadowJKit's in settings02:33
Lantiziawhat is?02:33
ShadowJKxchat colours02:33
DocScrutinizeraah you're editing the image file. Now if that pans out it's a really great solution02:33
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LantiziaDocScrutinizer, _if_ it pans out :)02:33
mamas-boybut now own text ShadowJK02:33
ShadowJKThat's the annoying part, there are so many colours to change02:34
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, I remember being able to mount any partition inside the image file previously - but now I don't seem to be able to with this new eMMC02:34
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, don't suppose you can paste the default eMMC partition layout for me if you've got it?02:34
DocScrutinizer:-S  (plain void here, no idea)02:34
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DocScrutinizerI could paste you the cfdisk or similar output of a default eMMC02:35
DocScrutinizerbut I don't think that's of much use anyway02:36
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, please... sfdisk is already on your device and will show it02:36
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, it may help me roughly guess the positions in the eMMC image file02:36
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DocScrutinizerk, what cmd do you suggest? not familiar with sfdisk02:36
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, sfdisk -f /dev/mmcblk002:36
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DocScrutinizerhmm, lemme check and then decide if I enter the cmd or kill YOU :-P02:37
Lantiziaooh I remember the image file is gzipped or something02:38
ShadowJKwell it's not 32gigs, is it? :)02:39
Lantiziano :) but I used to know how to do this02:39
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Lantizia:) the eMMC file now has a descriptor at the top!02:41
Lantiziait's changed!02:42
Lantiziaexplicitly stating how big each partition is02:42
manoleitorhi guys, do you know how to make osso-xterm show black bg with white fg?02:42
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manoleitori cant stand the opposite :|02:43
FauxFauxUsing the settings...02:43
LantiziaStskeeps, Hey! are you umm about?  I just discovered... head -n 17 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin02:44
manoleitorerhmm :| really ? ... oh yes, thats it....02:44
Lantiziai.e. what looks like instructions for partitioning - should I be able to just tweak 2048 for home to 8192 and have 8GB /home instead?02:45
manoleitori once played with those two colours, but nothing changed, so I thought that was not working. Thanks hehe02:45
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DocScrutinizermaybe a little late for Stskeeps02:45
LantiziaI'll try it anyway :) but if it won't work you'll save me time02:45
manoleitorwhat a difference now :D02:45
DocScrutinizerLantizia: for sure you need to equally reduce size of another partition02:46
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, mydocs doesn't get specified at all02:46
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, but then vfat doesn't have a start and an end like ext2/3... I recon it formats the whole thing as vfat then makes those two at the end02:47
Lantiziaonce done it then mounts the vfat and fill the files in02:47
DocScrutinizerjust try, you can't really break anything I'd guess02:47
LantiziaI mean you can see it is listed - but no size is02:47
Lantiziayeah it'll be fun lol02:48
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DocScrutinizerthe asumption of missing size = nnnn; meaning it takes the whole rest sounds reasonable to me02:49
DocScrutinizerjust rape it with a hexeditor, and then flash it :-D02:50
Lantiziapa ping...02:50
Lantiziased -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin02:50
LantiziaFLASHER TIME02:50
DocScrutinizerdon't forget you need to flash a new fresh rootfs after flashing eMMC02:50
LantiziaI mean... HAMMER TIME02:50
Lantiziayeah yeah I know02:51
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Lantiziathis must be my 1000th flash since I got the thing last year02:51
DocScrutinizerLantizia: the sed cmd looks dangerous, you dunno how many times it will strike02:51
SpeedEvilI think I'm on #102:51
DocScrutinizerI had to reflash once, as foreca widget caused bootloop when I tried to drag it to another screen02:52
DocScrutinizerso #2 here02:52
DocScrutinizeror REflash #102:52
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Lantiziahmm battery is dead lol02:53
* DocScrutinizer burrps02:53
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LantiziaDocScrutinizer, the sed thing is fine - it's unlikely theres another ... but will make it do it only for first instance as it takes it a while to scan the rest of the file anyway02:53
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DocScrutinizermine was flat yesterday, as I forgot about it while charging the new one :-P So I at least had a spare02:54
Lantiziaah it wasn't dead :S02:54
Lantiziaemmc written02:55
DocScrutinizerthe revenge of my good old N900, getting envy about the shiny new one02:55
Lantiziawhy have a 2nd?02:55
DocScrutinizermess around with hostmode, bme, etc. And still have a PHONE02:56
Lantiziacan you check something for me? pop off your back cover and look at the back of the back cover with the latch on the left hand side02:56
DocScrutinizernp, and?...02:56
Lantiziatheres a little backward L shaped metal thing with 2 dots can you see it?02:57
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Lantiziaat the top right of the apachure02:57
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Lantiziadoes it look secure / well built?02:58
Lantiziabecause my little backwards L fell off - had to superglue it on02:58
DocScrutinizerhard to tell, I'll get a loupe02:58
Lantiziawhats a loupe?02:58
DocScrutinizermagn glass02:58
DocScrutinizerhmm, I see. The 2 'dots' are plastic 'rivets'. Very crappy02:59
DocScrutinizermay work, may fall off02:59
Lantiziawell if the rivets are meant to pop out through the metal holes then mine no longer do :S02:59
LantiziaI think since the backcover bends slightly every time you take it off/on - it's gotten loose03:00
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SpeedEvilThe correct solution is probably to return to nokia for repair.03:00
DocScrutinizerthey are meant to pop out and then heated and pressed flat like classical rivets03:00
SpeedEvilIf there is enough 'body' in the rivets left, you may be able to smear out the head of them with a warm object03:00
LantiziaSpeedEvil, yeah I thought about a quick touch of a hot soldering iron03:01
DocScrutinizerthat's what's done in fab as well03:01
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SpeedEvilI think it's just the kick-stand spring03:01
SpeedEvildo you use the spring a lot?03:02
DocScrutinizerthe trick is you need to firmly press it down to tension the sring, when fixing it by whatever means03:02
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DocScrutinizerif you do the soldering iron, then keep pressure for *at least* 60s03:03
DocScrutinizerpreferrably apply icing spray03:03
SpeedEvilthat is pressure on the spring - not holding the soldering iron on for 60s :)03:04
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: thanks03:04
SpeedEvilI assume nobodies worked out how to get signal strengths for non-logged-in networks?03:05
DocScrutinizerlist of neighbour cell should have signal03:05
DocScrutinizerbut I dunno if we got any neigbour cell list03:05
ShadowJKgetting list of neighbour cells would be nice too03:05
SpeedEvilat+cops=? is the closest i've got with pnatd03:05
SpeedEvil+COPS: (1,"T-Mobile",,"23430",2),03:06
SpeedEvil(3,"3 UK",,"23420",2),,(0,1,3),(0,2)03:06
SpeedEvilwhich says that for me03:06
SpeedEvilThough I don't know the format03:06
DocScrutinizeroooooh FSCK pnatd again03:06
DocScrutinizerwould somebody please patch pnatd to accept ^C03:06
Lantiziahmm I don't think this has gone too well03:06
LantiziaI have a bright blue screen03:06
SpeedEvilBut that would mean that it can't be used for ppp! :)03:06
SpeedEvilLantizia: DocScrutinizer sort of had that once. It diddn't go well.03:07
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: not exactly03:07
Lantiziatime to try again :)03:07
DocScrutinizerI had a completely black screen03:07
SpeedEvilBlue on the TV out03:07
asjSpeedEvil: ppp can escape characters, it's there in a map list. I can't remember it's name03:07
Lantiziamaybe it was just a bad flash, or maybe it doesn't like my modified eMMC file03:08
SpeedEvilasj: yeah - I know.03:08
SpeedEvilI just need to work out how to tether using it and ssh03:08
asj(of course that's solving the wrong problem)03:08
SpeedEvilyes, of course.03:08
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SpeedEvilThe right problem is for icd2 to let 2 connections be up.03:09
SpeedEvilMaybe frals will solve that in passing, if he now has influence.03:09
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SpeedEvil(as he also needs 2 connections up)03:09
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MohammadAGNight everyone03:11
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: enfora_enabler_EM__2008118161929.pdf - know that one?03:11
DocScrutinizernigght MohammadAG5103:12
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LantiziaDocScrutinizer, omg it worked03:13
Lantizia8gb /home!03:13
Lantiziayou know I swear the old eMMC file wasn't like this03:14
Lantiziait was more like a DD image with a DOS table03:14
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: I don't off-hand - I sort of remember the title03:14
DocScrutinizerEngineering Mode Parameters -- %EM:03:14
DocScrutinizerThe commands are as follows:03:15
SpeedEvilit ignored those03:15
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DocScrutinizerServing Cell Information03:15
DocScrutinizerServing Cell GPRS Information03:15
DocScrutinizerNeighbour Cell Information03:15
DocScrutinizeroops sorry for the bullits03:15
Lantiziayou know this just got a _WHOLE FUCK LOAD EASIER_03:15
Lantiziawhy did I just spend hours on this!03:15
DocScrutinizerI know03:15
SpeedEvilas with all of the at% commands I tried03:15
DocScrutinizerfsck pnatd, this retarded piece of....03:16
SpeedEvilI have pondered trying at[ -~][ -~][ -~] - but I haven't gotten that bored yet03:16
DocScrutinizerwasn't kontorri at some time asking some other guy to check the options for service monitor mode03:16
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DocScrutinizeranymore :-)03:17
DocScrutinizerwas in this chan, but months ago03:18
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DocScrutinizerI seen to be sure there was no follow-up on it03:18
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DocScrutinizerrodarvus: anything new wrt monitor mode?03:25
acidjazzsup guys03:26
DocScrutinizerboredom like always :-P03:27
Lantiziahey got my contacts/sms back :)03:27
acidjazzyea looks dead03:27
acidjazzi saw a pre-alpha of meego comin out03:27
acidjazzend of this month03:27
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: if you are interested in signal strength, neighbou cell list etc pp, please help in asking rodarvus and konttori about service monitor03:28
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LantiziaYay I can still name my device :)03:35
Lantiziamlabel -i /dev/mmcblk0p1 ::Pan03:35
DocScrutinizerI gather pnatd is closed?03:36
DocScrutinizeror rather undocumented so no way to augment it to learn full set of 3GPP AT cmdset at least?03:37
GAN900Flash 10.1 out for Android03:37
GAN900Nokia is full of idiots.03:38
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SpeedEvilI hit my first 'flash 10 only' on youtube the other day03:39
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dotblankIf you could wish away one technology product what would be?03:46
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Ken-YoungPublic video surveillance cameras.03:47
GAN900Flash is fairly harmless all things considered03:47
dotblankI dunno03:47
SpeedEvilHtml sucks.03:47
dotblankI would rather some sites not work03:47
dotblankthen use flash03:47
GAN900Windows has probably set us back 10 years techwise03:47
SpeedEvilIt could have been so much better from the beginning03:47
Arkenoieven if there will be flash 10.1, we won't get it until next firmware release which is months away03:47
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Arkenoior even worse a feature freeze was already done for now and that means we are TWO releases away from flash upgrade03:48
dotblankflash hinders linux directly everyday03:48
dotblankwindows I don't think does03:48
dotblankI can use linux only and not even care 2 cents about ms03:48
dotblankbut flash...03:49
dotblankI ahve to use flash03:49
LantiziaIs it safe to use extras-testing and extras-devel on PR1.2 as there isn't a fremantle-1.2 listed on either... just on the standard extras03:49
SpeedEvilit's the default03:50
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GAN900dotblank, then you're wearing blinders03:52
Lantizialol I just read that quote as...03:52
* Arkenoi wants hundred of those03:52
Lantizia"The devices world is a really exciting space right now and we're really full of bullshit on it",  said Kenyon03:52
GAN900Businesses stuck on legacy Windows crap can't migrate to Linux03:52
GAN900Windows hurts the economy.03:52
IkarusGAN900: actually03:53
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IkarusGAN900: alot of them barely depend on Windows software by now03:53
GAN900Ikarus, if you say so03:54
luke-jrexcept Office03:54
Ikarusjust a few legacy apps that might be worth getting working well on Wine03:54
Ikarusluke-jr: Office isn't a dependency03:54
GAN900I know of three I can name right now.03:54
IkarusOutlook is though03:54
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Lantiziaanyone know why they did away with the "More..." option?03:54
Ikarusoh and Financial departments who are too stuck with bloated Excel crap03:54
LantiziaI normally install catorize... but without it - it just looks silly03:54
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Ikarusanyway, bed time for me :)03:54
dotblankLantizia, they replaced it with the ability to move icons03:54
GAN900Ikarus, I think you'd be surprised by how many businesses do and how old some of the stuff they depend on is.03:54
GAN900Small businesses03:54
Lantiziadotblank, the icons don't move for me03:55
IkarusGAN900: otoh, alot of stuff is being replaced by webservices, etc03:55
dotblanklinux needs a flagship small business server03:55
GAN900Ikarus, many of which still depend on Windows.03:55
IkarusGAN900: not these :)03:55
Ikarusthe most used accountancy software here is webbased03:55
dotblankthe move to cloud services will help linux I think03:55
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Ikarusworks great in Firefox03:55
GAN900Ikarus, OK, is that in a small business? :)03:56
GAN900Linux really needs some decent retail software03:56
dotblankwhat kills small businesses is office03:56
GAN900It's amazing to me that there isn't even any decent PoS software available.03:57
dotblankOpen Office is great but I still have some doubts about it03:57
dotblankGAN900, I actually considered making one03:57
dotblankGAN900, about 2 years ago03:57
dotblankGAN900, and there are actually lots of commercial PoS on linux03:57
dotblankGAN900, although they never say they use it03:58
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GAN900Webbased isn't a viable option03:59
dotblankGAN900, no some native apps..03:59
dotblankGAN900, no open source software tho.. actually not much04:00
dotblankMy first job I had (pizza shop) their PoS crashed04:01
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dotblankfound out the PoS was made in VBasic04:01
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dotblankit had no error handling and crashed when there was a small messup in the database04:02
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dotblankI had to go into the bytecode with a hex editor and fix the database04:03
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DocScrutinizerdotblank: sue the original developer04:34
crashanddieWell, as long as we don't have commercial salesforces going around the world trying to sell ideas and products, we'll never have the marketshare that proprietary apps have04:35
crashanddieI mean, you really think some website can compete to a guy knocking on your door selling you a product and demoing it right in front of your eyes?04:36
DocScrutinizersomehow the pattern of VB 'developers' not even aware such thing like error handling exists at all, this all sounds quite familiar to me04:36
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* SpeedEvil ponders RMS turning up at the door of a buisness.04:37
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crashanddiedead, preferably04:38
ptlwhy? The guy might not be Mr. Sympathy but at least he vows for software freedom.04:39
ptlI'd much rather prefer Steve {Jobs|Ballmer} dead.04:39
SpeedEvilHe has done a lot.04:39
SpeedEvilI think that is indisputable.04:40
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SpeedEvilIf it's always positive is a matter of debate.04:40
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ptlWell, I know he belches and farts a lot and also eats stuff out of his feet04:40
crashanddieptl: and if we could stop the endless microsoft/apple bashing, that'd be quite refreshing too04:41
ptlbut that is fun04:41
ptlwhy you want to stop the fun?04:41
crashanddieno, it really isn;t04:41
ptlIt's like homosexuality, I don't like what homosexuals males like but I can't interfere on their right to have fun!04:43
crashanddiewell, I can interefere with your privilege to bash apple and microsoft in this channel04:44
ptlyou're always nervous, dude... Calm down!04:44
crashanddieso... BECOME AN OP IRL04:44
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crashanddieso you'll be able to kick people and never have to be responsible for your own actions!04:44
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ptlI wouldn't use it04:45
crashanddiesure you would04:45
Aranelwhy the N900 does not play MP4 MPEG-4 files from YouTube? Extra codecs also installed.04:46
ptlI wouldn't, really.. When IRC was popular in my country I was founder of a city channel with more than 600 simultaneous accesses... And I quite liked the idea that everybody had their expressions right, I was even highly tolerant of trolling04:46
ptlAranel, which fle? Mine played all youtube videos I tried so far.04:49
ptlAranel, maybe I can try it here and see if mine plays.04:49
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: the alarm clock faled? time for pills? :-P04:49
Aranelptl: ok then, here it is:
Aranelptl: just click the Download MP4 - High Definition one, bottom of the list.04:49
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: nooooo, not the doo-goodie pills, I want to flyyyyyyy04:50
DocScrutinizerOHH FSCK! just noticed a friggin flimsy lil latch on the thumbnail side of the back cover, that's completely broken on this NEW N90004:51
DocScrutinizerwhat a crap04:52
asjDocScrutinizer: hmm?04:52
DocScrutinizerMY old good n900 has that latch, non broken04:53
ptlAranel: this url didn't work, it complained that I didn't have java04:53
konfooahh iphone you useless piece of crap04:53
Aranelptl: here is the one without flash:
konfoo'i refuse to play this 4.1 baseline h264 just because i dont like the flag'04:54
Aranelptl: and youtube URL:
DocScrutinizernow that flimsy shit is definitely a design flaw of the ME guys04:55
asjDocScrutinizer: I don't understand which latch?04:55
DocScrutinizerbut luckily the back cover still doesn't fall off04:55
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DocScrutinizerasj: so probably yours is conpletely gone :-P04:55
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ptlAranel: I will try it, hold on04:56
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DocScrutinizerasj: It's exactly 'above' the microphone hole04:56
DocScrutinizerwhen you open up the back cover04:56
asjDocScrutinizer: ah, both my phones have it still04:57
DocScrutinizeron my new one (1 day old) is's broken04:57
asjbut I could see how it could easily break, I like the metal back covers nokia changed too04:57
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* Arkenoi checked mine, ok04:57
DocScrutinizerand I'm more baffled it's not broken on my other one04:57
* Arkenoi loved e90 casing04:58
Arkenoisolid metal almost everywhere04:58
Aranelptl: thank you =)04:58
ptl67 MB, it will take some time04:59
asjAranel: can you imagin how big the n900 would have been if they built it like the e90?04:59
asj"is that an n900 in your pocket or a night stick"05:00
DocScrutinizermaybe that's been the reason for the tremedous 'rebate' :-P05:00
Arkenoiasj: i think it's ok, the keyboard was much better05:01
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DocScrutinizerasj: maybe they should change the flat cable from body/kbd to screen by a flexible 90cm then, so you could balance the weight to both sides ;-P05:01
Arkenoi9500 sucked big time, crappy plastic which was very easy to break05:02
Arkenoiso e90 was big improvement05:02
asjDocScrutinizer: 90cm? you calling me fat? ;)05:02
asjspeaking of food, lunch tmie!05:02
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ptl18% of the video yet05:02
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Aranelptl: now also downloaded the FLV version of it, this one also doesn't play on media player, but works well with KMPlayer.05:04
DocScrutinizerLantizia: where will we see the 2-liner shellcmd to adjust eMMC partition sizes to our whim?05:04
ptlflv would only play through flash, I think05:04
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Arkenoinope, mplayer plays it natively05:05
ptlYes, I know05:05
Aranelptl: and It also lags :/ sound faster than video.05:05
ptlI'm saying with the standard preinstalled software05:05
ptl35% :-/05:09
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Aranelptl: now downloading 480x360 one too, to try if that one works or not05:13
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DocScrutinizerptl: downloading BenHur?05:25
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ptlDocScrutinizer51: I don't even know what Aranel's video is all about, lol05:33
ptljust downloading it to test05:33
ptlit's certainly not the benhur flick05:33
Tha801gamecan anyone recommend an email client05:34
Aranelptl: My Favourite Game by The Cardigans :P05:34
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ptlAranel: it downloaded, let's try it05:38
ptlnot possible to reproduce, format not supported05:38
sjgadsbyNBIn about:config in Maemo 5's browser, how can I access the context menu or otherwise create new preference strings/integers/booleans?05:38
Aranelptl: yeah It doesn't play on mine too. I wonder why..05:39
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GeneralAntillessjgadsbyNB, isn't there a field at the top?05:39
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sjgadsbyNBGeneralAntilles: There is, but that seems to be just for searching. Can I create new preferences using that box? If so, how?05:40
GeneralAntillessjgadsbyNB, no idea.05:40
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shorterany music identification apps?05:59
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luke-jrany character identification apps?06:23
Macera profile media player would be a better start06:24
luke-jrMacer: happy fathers' day +206:25
Macerheh. thanks. you too06:25
luke-jranyone want my new calendar app?06:25
luke-jrmy cal app probably takes 4 or 5 minutes to render a week on N90006:25
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DocScrutinizer51"I promise to be careful" LOL06:33
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GAN900DocScrutinizer51, is that how the loan agreement reads? :P06:33
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DocScrutinizer51german version of accept button06:34
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DocScrutinizer51shorter: switch to cursor mode in about:config06:37
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DocScrutinizer51(double?)clicking any value either toggles or opens an edit requester06:39
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DocScrutinizer51sjgadsbyNB: ^^^^06:41
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shorternot sure what you mean06:44
shorterwhat is cursor mode in reference to?06:45
DocScrutinizer51shorter: sorry, EADDR. was for sjgadsbyNB06:46
DocScrutinizer51how to edit values in microB's about:config page06:46
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sjgadsbyNBDocScrutinizer51: Thanks, but I'm able to edit existing preferences. How can I add new ones?07:13
DocScrutinizer51I never heard about adding name-value tuples to the preferences. My take on that always been all that the browser knows to read and handle is actually listed in about:config07:15
DocScrutinizer51but somehow I have the feeling I don't really get what you want to do07:16
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sjgadsbyNBAh, I don't have much hope of success, but I was playing with adding spellcheck support. I dropped the (probably not working) lib in the right place, but I need preference values to try to activate it.07:18
sjgadsbyNBOn desktop Firefox, right clicking opens a context menu with a New... option. Can't find an equivalent in MicroB.07:19
DocScrutinizer51no idea then07:20
DocScrutinizer51thanks for explaining :-07:21
TermanaOut of interest, has anyone tried to use qemu on the n900? (outside of just for certain binaries - (doing a full OS boot in qemu))07:21
DocScrutinizerbochs, not qemu:!.html07:22
TermanaYeah, I knew people had been using Bochs. I like qemu better :P07:23
DocScrutinizerbochs -> x86-linux -> qemu -> whatever :-P07:25
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Termanaemulator on an emulator :P I think x86 emulation is going to be slow enough without doing that! :D07:26
DocScrutinizer51just kidding07:26
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luke-jrany idea if OpenBTS would be legal to setup in the US?07:27
DocScrutinizer51sure - if you get a licence from FCCm(or whatever authority)07:28
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luke-jrany chance I could cover the city and go unnoticed?07:29
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: and what if the 900 MHz band is unlicensed? :D08:01
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DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: I think 900 is used by US military. Probably nobody will care XP08:02
luke-jrapparently it's unlicensed, but not allowed for 'communications'08:03
luke-jris it possible to run GSM in data-only mode? ;)08:03
DocScrutinizer51guess why!08:03
luke-jr(there is precedent that data is not 'communications', as this rule applies to 802.11 frequencies too)08:04
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DocScrutinizer51I guess the GIs will not discuss that particular detail08:05
TermanaI wonder if it is communications when you have 100 chinese kids in your basement processing your data08:06
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Termanaluke-jr: soldiers08:07
luke-jrsomeone just pointed out a flaw in my plan08:08
luke-jrunlicensed use has power limits :(08:08
TermanaI have a solution luke-jr08:09
TermanaYes thats my solution to everything08:09
luke-jrTermana: you forget I can't08:09
TermanaNo, I didn't forget :P08:10
luke-jralso, that would only be a half-solution08:10
luke-jrnever seen a carrier that lets me connect my cell to my internal PBX08:10
DocScrutinizer51in Russia a similar issue is probably solved much quicker, as 811.2a (?) interferes with military radar. Assumtions are you'll attract the air2air missiles of the MIGs08:10
DocScrutinizer51err 802.1108:11
TermanaIn Soviet Russia, missiles attract you!08:11
TermanaWorst russian joke ever :P, I had nothing to work with! :P08:12
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Macerso. how is that portrait desktop going?08:15
Macerit would be interesting if someone made an android ui using X08:16
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Macerandroid seems to handle the portrait to landscape very well08:17
Macerthen again... almost all other phone UIs seem to08:18
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DocScrutinizerI honestly couldn't care less about portrait08:21
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Macerwell. there is nothing wrong with being part of the minority08:23
pigeonportrait mode makes sense when you're using only one hand...08:26
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Surfaand have a lot to read08:34
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Surfait's easier to read e.g. forums in portrait mode if scaled correctly08:35
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pigeonand also typing08:39
Wolfiewtf... the calendar widget doesn't show birthdays... that's crap08:44
Corsacyou want to try the calendar widget replacement08:45
Corsacnot sure if it's extras{,-testing,-devel}08:46
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pigeoncal-home-widget is in extras-devel08:48
DocScrutinizer51typing? with one hand? in portait? easier??  *cough*08:50
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asjDocScrutinizer: thank god for a highres screen08:54
pigeonwe meant it should be made easier, currently it's not, hence the need of better portrait mode.08:54
pigeontry using the n900 with only one hand for a day and you'll see.08:54
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DocScrutinizerthank god I have two healthy hands08:58
DocScrutinizerand even when I need to operate the phone with one hand only, I prefer landscape and using the hw kbd08:58
asjpigeon: you own stock in a lube company or something?09:00
pigeonthat's fair enough, but one of the reasons could be the current portrait mode support sucks :)09:00
pigeonasj: you've lost me...09:01
asjpigeon: nm, I think portrait mode would handy in certain areas, but after getting stuck with symbian and it's love for portrait I'm not fan of that09:01
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pigeonyeah, i'm not saying the landscape isn't good.09:02
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asjand I love user choice, so making it trivial for the dev, and trivial for the user to choose is good09:02
pigeonit's just like today it's raining holding the umbrella and i find it difficult to reply e-mail or smses.09:03
DocScrutinizerI can't see you doing that in portrait more easily, without T9 or similar shit09:05
ljpportrait is good for one handed use09:05
pigeonDocScrutinizer: yeah, sure.09:06
pigeonlike vertsms for example.09:06
DocScrutinizeron MotoQ9 I got even a rather decent hw kbd in portrait mode, and I found it impossible to operate with one hand09:07
ljpT9 rules09:09
ljpalthough, qtopia's predictive software keyboard was good09:09
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luke-jrwhat kind of range would 1 W get on the 900 MHz radio?09:13
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DocScrutinizerraster's error tolerant kbd is still even better than any predictive. It's kinda T9 for fullsize kbd09:15
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TermanaAlso, you can use portrait mode so you can wipe your arse and use the device at the same time09:17
TermanaKidding :P09:17
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DocScrutinizerhmm, the device isn't smooth enough :-S09:18
Ken-YoungAss-texing is a major problem - not a joking matter.09:18
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pigeonTermana: i bet you have this t-shirt :)
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Mecehi, is there a delay before the promote package link appears for apps in testing?10:58
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Meceoh wait.. there's a 10 day quarantine for new versions too?11:00
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PiotrasX-Fade, Hi! Do you know why there's no php5 (and dev) packages for fremantle? no maintainer?11:02
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LantiziaMorning :)11:06
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, two liner?  one liner you mean11:06
Lantiziased -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin11:06
Lantiziashake 'n' flash11:07
frals_Mece: yes, 10d for everything11:08
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Lantiziafrals_, is there an equivalent to or for maemo?11:11
frals_or that maybe11:11
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tybolltso z500 eh11:14
Lantizianah neither of them are the same really11:14
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tybolltfrals_: when will you release 10.1 for us?11:15
Lantiziayou can't see dependencies at a glance, differences in versions according to extras extras-testing extras-devel11:15
Lantiziayou can't download the original source from it11:16
Mecefrals_, thanks, and also bleh. crap.11:16
Lantizianot the same :(11:16
frals_you can see dependencies, changelog and which version is where from
frals_and download the source11:17
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LantiziaThey clearly don't offer the same options on a per package view11:17
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AppiahLantizia: what do you miss?11:18
LantiziaI can also see the maintainer, the original home page, and suggested packages from the debian version11:18
Lantiziathe maemo version is nothing more than package name, description and build history :S11:19
tybolltflash 10.111:19
tybolltwill it require a new PR or can it be packaged separately?11:19
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MohammadAG51packaging it separately means breaking the ssu package11:20
AppiahI think it differs from package to package..11:20
tybolltMohammadAG51: true11:20
MohammadAG51And who said flash 10.1 was even coming11:20
tybolltMohammadAG51: making a PR means you and me waiting ... forever...11:20
LantiziaAppiah, ah! thats closer to the information I'm used to seeing - a mouthful of a URL however :)11:21
tybolltMohammadAG51: I have no idea... apparently adobe is sending it to manufacturers starting today...11:21
Appiahhey look everyone MohammadAG51 said that flash 10.1 _is_ coming11:21
* Appiah ducks11:21
* MohammadAG51 gets a 10 foot pole and walks towards Appiah 11:21
tybolltnow now11:22
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tybolltlet's not solve problems middle-east style :)11:22
LantiziaDo Adobe put the ARM builds anywhere public ?11:22
LantiziaI mean if they do it's just one file to swap out for 10.111:23
MohammadAG51tybollt, you thought I was going to beat him with it? touche11:23
dotblankhow would I go about creating a custom field in contacts manager11:23
dotblanklike create a custom field for an im application11:23
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MohammadAG51tybollt, I can't explain what it's for, it's a family channel11:23
Appiah10 foot? braggin are we? :)11:24
tybolltMohammadAG51: :-D11:24
DuckbootAppiah: Mice-feet11:24
MohammadAG51Appiah, nah, you just lost something you can't get back :P11:24
tybolltMohammadAG51: pics or it din happen11:25
MohammadAG51Appiah, oh, and it was a metal pole, not a ...11:25
DuckbootMohammadAG51: You have to seek out a shrink - You're NOT Iron-man11:25
lcukmorning \o11:26
MohammadAG51tybollt, <Appiah> =( <--says it all11:26
MohammadAG51lol Duckboot11:26
MohammadAG51morning lcuk11:26
frals_mornin lcuk11:26
MohammadAG51smells like fish in here11:27
Lantiziahell wouldn't a flash 10.1 .so file compiled for any ARM be ok?  (e.g. for android - just copy the file over to maemo)11:27
MohammadAG51Lantizia, I doubt it'd be that easy11:27
KlioIS there script counter time connection?11:27
LantiziaMohammadAG51, and why not?11:27
Appiahtry it11:27
Appiahand see what happens :)11:28
MohammadAG51Lantizia, the browsers differ11:28
Lantiziawell I don't know where to download the ARM build of Adobe Flash from... are the publically available?11:28
tybolltalso does flash work in any other than microb yet11:28
LantiziaMohammadAG51, true... no mozilla browser on android for there to be a need for a mozilla plugin11:28
MohammadAG51tybollt, yes, firefox, but you have to enable it11:28
* tybollt enables MohammadAG51 11:29
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* pupnik starts to learn what symbiN + E71 does better than maemo :)11:29
tybolltpupnik: ?11:29
MohammadAG51troll alert!11:30
tybolltI call troll yes11:30
pupniksome menus are nicely optimized - few keyclicks11:30
pupnikand less *lag*11:30
MohammadAG51pupnik, less eye candy too11:30
DuckbootI can haz troll?11:30
pupnikthere are a few things it does well11:30
tybolltpupnik: why did you get E71?11:31
MohammadAG51can we go back On topic btw :)11:31
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* Duckboot has a E75 laying around somewhere - pretty nice phone all in all.11:31
AppiahWhen I read about the n900 in this channel , feels like I'm one of the few with a n900 going smooth thru the menus?11:31
pupnikthese are small differences of a couple hundred milliseconds11:31
pupnikbut it makes for a different feeling11:31
tybolltMohammadAG51: so why not test it?11:31
Lantiziatada... here's flash... /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so11:31
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tybolltMohammadAG51: we should be able to get a 10.1 arm bin out of adobe and atleast _try_11:32
tybolltso what if we misserably fail11:32
Duckboottybollt: Buy an iPad....11:32
* Duckboot ducks11:32
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Klioi search connection counter time, hel me,pls11:33
jacekowskitybollt: try what?11:33
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jacekowskitybollt: there is no flash plugin with compatible interface for any other phone11:34
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tybolltyou're dead sure about that11:35
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MohammadAG51tybollt, you will miserably fail, but if you misreably succeed, kudos to you11:35
jacekowskitybollt: but still, it's possible to reverse engineer it and modify interface11:35
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obsidiethso. does conversations support msn.11:35
jacekowskitybollt: but then still why you want to do it?11:35
DuckbootMohammadAG51: tybollt: Wrapper?11:36
obsidiethits not an option to add an account through it, but my googling suggests its possible.11:36
jacekowskitybollt: hardware acceleration?11:36
jacekowskitybollt: not going to happen on n900 because it would have to use completly different interfaace11:36
tybolltbuilt in flash doesn't work w/ a certain app that monitors world cup =)11:36
MohammadAG51jacekowski, the arm build doesn't even have HW accel yet11:37
jacekowskifuck the world cup11:37
Duckbootjacekowski: Nah - Could'nt it be done through an wrapper - Like the on which use Windows-WiFi-drivers in Linux?11:37
* MohammadAG51 slaps jacekowski with a vuvuzela11:37
tybolltYeah I bet there's a lot of that going on... (nsfw)11:37
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: grr11:37
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: niggerhorn11:37
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MohammadAG51LOL @ england one11:38
jacekowskiDuckboot: ndiswrapper is quite simple11:38
MohammadAG51jacekowski, racist11:38
jacekowskiDuckboot: linux NAPI and windows NDIS are quite similiar11:38
jacekowskiMohammadAG51: so?11:38
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Duckbootjacekowski: M'kay.11:42
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Klioi search script, or software of network traffic monitor, help me pls. Thx11:44
LiraNunaoh wow!11:44
LiraNunaBanshee detects my N900 as a music device11:44
LiraNunacomplete with icon and device info11:45
dotblankbacktrack mobile beta to release in julyt11:45
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dotblankso cool11:45
jacekowskii have more tools in my n900 that in backtrack11:45
dotblankcan't wait to test this out11:45
dotblankwell it support packet injection11:46
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jacekowskiyou don't know how to use it properly anyways11:46
obsidiethone other qyuestion being, how can one search through the application download section11:47
obsidiethon an n90011:47
jacekowskiit's search as you type11:47
Duckbootjacekowski: You're a sunshine this morning ;-P11:47
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Duckbootobsidieth: All apps - start typing11:47
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dotblankjacekowski, your saying that I don't know how to use packet injection?11:48
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MohammadAG51dotblank, yes, he is11:49
jacekowskii had nemesis working on n900 couple months ago11:49
tybolltusually MohammadAG51 is the 'sunshine' around here... ;P11:49
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dotblankThats kinda dumb and naive to say I don't know how to use packet injection11:50
jacekowskibesides, openchoice desktop is shit11:50
LiraNunayeah, whatever Steve Jobs dictates should be good for everyone11:50
MohammadAG51tybollt, you're asking for that pole11:50
tybolltpoint in case >:)11:51
Mymocan i connect my n900 to the internet using my laptop connection???11:51
DuckbootMohammadAG51: Did you know that in Sweden they actually dance around pole at midsummer eve. So it's kinda suiting that you drag a pole around today.11:52
LiraNunaMymo, what does your laptop has that your N900 doesn't?11:52
tybolltthis is not the pole you are thinking about duckie.11:52
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alschroeHey I want to reset my N900 to factory mode ... therefor I want to flash it with the emmc image .... It says the battery needs to be fully charged in the wiki ... is that just so the device won't turn off in the process?11:52
Duckboottybollt: Nah - Probs not.11:52
jacekowskiMymo: yes11:52
jacekowskiMymo: google will help11:53
MymoLiraNuna nothing but bigger screen ;)11:53
Duckbootalschroe: Yep11:53
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MohammadAG51lol tybollt11:53
MohammadAG51err, Duckboot11:53
LiraNunaMymo, I meant, why would your N900 wouldn't be able to use any connection that the laptop is able to connect to?11:53
alschroeso I can flash it with less than a full battery right?11:53
Duckbootalschroe: Probs - but why take the risk?11:54
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MohammadAG51yes, 50 percent should do I guess11:54
MohammadAG51i flashed it with 25% battery once11:54
alschroebecause I don't want to wait anymore :)11:54
Duckbootalschroe: Patience, my young Padawan11:56
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MymoLiraNuna i use 3G usb on my laptop....but i want to know if i can connect my n900 to the laptop then use the internet connection on n90011:56
alschroeI am more the dark side kind a person -.- we have cookies !11:57
LiraNunaMymo, N900 can do 3G just fine..?!11:57
LiraNunaunless you got two operators11:57
MohammadAG51LiraNuna, I think it's a 3G usb modem11:57
Mymo^yep 3G usb modem hooked to my laptop11:58
LiraNunaN900 has a built in 3G modem as well11:58
alschroeWhen I flash the N900 with the emmc I have to flash the PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 afterwards too right ?11:58
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MohammadAG51alschroe, the opposite11:58
Mymoyeah but i got one SIM that i use with the 3G usb modem11:59
hajisn't it the other way around.. first vanilla, then emmc... but you don't actually need to flash emmc unless it's gone weird..11:59
Mymosorry if i'm not making sense ;)11:59
LiraNunaMymo, buy another SIM? :D11:59
MohammadAG51use the sim in the N900 :)11:59
MohammadAG51and use mobilehostpot to tether (also comes with a free heater!)12:00
LiraNunaor tether using the N900 ^12:00
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LiraNunaMohammadAG51, my N900 doesn't heat when I use bluetooth tethering12:00
obsidiethso i added my msn. but it shows all the offline contacts.12:00
MohammadAG51LiraNuna, I was referring to wifi tethering12:00
DuckbootMohammadAG51: Last I tried mobilehotspot did not like Titan's kernels.12:01
LiraNunaI can't get power kernel to work, so mobilehotspot never worked for me12:01
MohammadAG51Duckboot, two different kernels12:01
LinuxCodeyou did not like my Kernel! how dare you12:01
LiraNuna3G and wifi just didn't work12:01
MohammadAG51Duckboot, and I use my own kernel12:01
Mymoi'll try that and get back to you guy.....thank u very much guys12:01
DuckbootMohammadAG51: Ok12:02
lcukMymo, do you have a normal call sim already in your n90012:02
lcukthe simplest is to contact your service provider and add data to that one12:02
lcukor as others suggested, put that data sim in your phone, but that loses you your number and the data sims (from 3g modems) dont usually allow calls12:03
lcuklaptop->n900 tethering is really good -> it acts just like your 3g modem ;)12:03
* Duckboot told his employer that he really, really, really needed an unlimited dataplan for his N900. And got it.12:04
alschroeOk here is what I am doing and why ... I have a Kolab-server (For those unfamiliar its "like" an exchange server) but since the upgrade to 1.2PR its not working anymore ... this why I want to flash my n900 to factory defaults. First step: ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f" und danach "sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f -R"12:04
lcukw00t party on Duckboot's internet12:04
DuckbootParty on12:05
Mymoi will search more about tethering o/12:05
BCMMDuckboot: actually unlimited?12:05
lcukprobably not12:05
BCMMDuckboot: T-Mobile has ridiculous terms - all the data plans are unlimited12:05
DuckbootBCMM: Well - reduced speed after 3Gb12:05
BCMMDuckboot: but you can pay extra to have a different "fair use limit"12:05
alschroeam I making sense ... is it the right order ?12:06
DuckbootBut as I'm on Wifi at home, and at work, I struggle to use 3Gb in a month.12:06
BCMMDuckboot: on the plus side, t-mobile doesn't cut you off or start charging you over the limit; it just throttles your speed between 4pm and midnight, and occasionally replaces an http request with a page telling you what they did12:06
BCMM(for the rest of the month)12:06
BCMMyeah, i find i need surprisingly little bandwidth, since i have a wireless network at home and seldom get the urge to do software updates while cycling12:07
DuckbootBCMM: Full speed until 3Gb, then 128kbps the rest of the month - No extra charge for going over the limit.12:07
BCMMDuckboot: what country are you in, and which network?12:08
DuckbootBCMM: Norway - Hello.12:08
DuckbootRidiculus name for a Network Provider.12:08
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alschroehello ? ... is it the right order? ...12:09
Duckbootalschroe: Read backlog - MohammadAG51 answered the order question.12:09
hajalschroe: no it's the wrong order...12:10
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Duckboot10:58 < alschroe> When I flash the N900 with the emmc I have to flash the PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 afterwards too right ?12:10
Duckboot10:58 < MohammadAG51> alschroe, the opposite12:10
BCMMDuckboot: people providing somewhat "abstract" services seem to struggle to find meaningful names12:10
MohammadAG51opposite wasn't the best word to use, but... meh12:10
BCMMwe have O2 here12:10
lcukMohammadAG51, thats not right12:10
DuckbootBCMM: Mmm12:10
BCMM(but written like O_2, as in diatomic oxygen)12:11
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MohammadAG51lcuk, fiasco then eMMC12:11
alschroeyes I was confused because somebody said vanilla first and thats what I am doing ... I specified the hole command and it would be nice if somebody can check that12:11
MohammadAG51lcuk, that's what the first PR1.2 edit said12:12
lcukMohammadAG51, doesnt matter which order as long as no rebooting in between12:12
MohammadAG51lcuk, and I really don't see why this order is needed12:12
lcukbut if theres gonna be rebooting, do MMC first12:12
BCMMwe also have "3", who presumably do business with people who've heard they need a 3G connection and got confused12:12
MohammadAG51lcuk, so order doesn't really matter :)12:13
lcukMohammadAG51, actually it does12:13
lcukif oyu do pr1.2, boot, then eMMC it will need redoing12:13
MohammadAG51lcuk, w/o reboots, it doesn't matter12:14
lcukBCMM, yeah 3 throws a lot of syntax errors12:14
* lcuk nods12:14
BCMMlcuk: eh?12:14
lcukBCMM, just the name of a company being a single digit12:14
BCMMoh, you mean always expecting a noun there are three of after it in sentences?12:14
lcukhutchinson telecome was better :)12:14
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BCMM"I am connected through 3"12:15
BCMM(3 what? 3 proxies?)12:15
alschroeOk maybe someone can explain it so a real idiot (me) understands what to do ... which image ... and please don't say fiasco.image because thats not what its called ... I simply don't know which is which12:16
Lantizialcuk, MohammadAG51, it's better to do eMMC _then_ FIASCO... as I find the N900 starts up after a FIASCO flash and not after an eMMC flash12:17
MohammadAG51Lantizia, it never reboots on its own, you're using the -R parameter12:17
lcukif you dont need to flash eMMC, then dont12:17
lcukmost people dont need to anyway12:17
LantiziaMohammadAG51, aah!12:18
Lantizialcuk, I do :)12:18
Lantiziawern't you the guy on about the alternative home partition sizes yesterday?12:18
lcukyou are special :D12:18
lcukthe same, but now i am working12:19
Lantiziased -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin12:19
Lantiziainstead of all my partitioning stuff I had to do with the old eMMC... that works a treat with the new eMMC12:19
Lantiziamakes /home 8GB instead of 2GB12:19
lcukneat trick12:19
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lcukmorning danielwilms12:21
danielwilmshey lcuk12:21
LantiziaI find I'm using just over 2GB already... but then I've got openareana installed :)12:21
danielwilmslcuk: how's life?12:21
lcukits good danielwilms, just trying to find a tool to write up some things i need.12:22
danielwilmslcuk: why searching...shouldn't be to hard to implement hehe12:23
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lcukdanielwilms, sure i can implement it (I have actually) i just want proper editable document12:24
lcukthis is for writing up a spec, not coding things ;)12:24
* lcuk wants it to look good and be presented well 12:25
lcuki even have examples, i just dont know what to use to actually make new ones12:25
JaffaMorning, all12:26
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lcukKalle Lievejarve sent those over to me just before the summit last year, they have been rolling around head since as being the "right" way to present them12:26
lcukand obviously ive been busy with other things ;)12:27
alteregog'moaning #maemo12:27
lcukmorning alterego12:27
alteregolcuk: what were you interested in wrt telepathy?12:27
lcukalterego, at the time you vanished, Robot101 mentioned that interaction between telepathy and the sharing services was a bit hard.  if you happen to be comfortable with both ends, perhaps some groundwork to tie them together would be great12:28
alteregoYeah, I was meaning to ask him if the roadmap for his project included that. Or whether it was worth me doing it myself.12:30
lcukalterego, well have a talk with him :)12:30
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alteregoI've finished the new version of my project, so I'm going to either move on to that or continue working on my maemo qa testers app.12:31
Robot101alterego: the guy who wrote the file transfer app is taking summer vacations atm12:31
Robot101alterego: so nothing much will happen for a while12:32
Robot101alterego: but albanc was also considering some libsharing+tp stuff too12:32
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lcukalterego, how is your current app going, you have a screenshot of the ui?12:32
Robot101alterego: speak to him and he should be able to help anyway12:32
alteregoRobot101: cool, I'll probably just do it myself then. Is his stuff open source?12:32
Robot101alterego: the file transfer app? sure12:32
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alteregoAnd is it C or Python? or C++?12:32
Robot101its called monorail, is probably on under jonnylamb12:33
Robot101and most likely in C12:33
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alteregoOkay, thanks :)12:33
Klio i search script, or software, of network traffic monitor, help me pls. Thx12:33
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alteregoThe new version of my app has a donate button, which opens a browser and points to a paypal donation option. I think maybe I should, at some point, add the ability to remove  that button?12:34
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DuckbootKlio: Personal Dataplan Monitor - It's in the repositories.12:34
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alteregoIt's more of an experiment rather than profiteering :D12:34
DuckbootKlio: Or did you want something more spesific?12:35
KlioDuckboot: thx12:35
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Klio i want see time connection12:35
DuckbootKlio: On what level?12:35
Kliothx i search and install PDM12:36
Robot101alterego: I don't mind it for individuals but its a slippery slope for companies unless they have or can show a genuine pro-bono non-profit contribution to open source (and justify it)12:36
Robot101alterego: like mozilla has the foundation12:36
alteregoYeah, I am an individual, an unemployed one at that :D12:37
DuckbootRobot101: The company which a work for made this contrib - And now it's used by Facebook and Twitter, and MANY other big sites.12:37
Duckboots\which a\which I12:37
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Robot101Duckboot: which?12:38
DuckbootRobot101: Sorry - forgot the link:
DuckbootRobot101: BSD-License if I recall correctly12:39
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Robot101ah yes, cool12:40
DuckbootRobot101: I have even compiled, and tested Varnish on my N900 ;-P12:40
KlioDuckboot: PDM only gprs, i want see time connection 3g, o wi-fi, are there software ?12:41
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Robot101I'm not sure what point you're making though - I know companies can do good - but also they make profit - so if they solicit donations they have to be very transparent about how the money is used (and not just to increase profit)12:41
DuckbootKlio: Not sure. Sorry.12:42
KlioDuckboot:  np. thx12:42
Robot101I run a company which I firmly believe to do good, I don't solicit donations towards any of our OSS work though, because I don't know how to show the money being used without revealing too much about our financials12:42
DuckbootRobot101: Oh - You mean a real non-profit organization12:42
Robot101well - thats it - I don't know. :)12:43
Robot101a full nonprofit would do12:43
Robot101but I don't have time to make one12:43
Robot101so atm, don't take donations12:43
Robot101people have offered to donate collabora money but it always seemed broken to me12:43
Robot101which is touching but I refused it12:44
Duckboot"Free as in Beer"12:44
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alteregoI hope my donations don't ammount to too much, otherwise I may have to declare them or something :)12:44
alteregoAnd it's not donate as in charity, the money will go on food and rent :D12:44
alteregoAnd probably beer.12:44
DuckbootBeer is nutricious.12:45
DuckbootAnd it is good for your hair.12:45
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lcukDuckboot, why waste good beer pouring it on your hair?12:45
Duckbootlcuk: Internal use only, ofc12:46
lcukthe only internal hair i know is up your nose12:46
lcukand i always sneeze when i get beer up there12:46
alteregoSo, my next two projects, the Telepathy "share with contact" plugin, and my maemo qa testers ui will be FOSS and no donate button.12:46
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alteregoBut I then will work on another app, which I plan to be a pay for.12:47
DuckbootHere is a though - A Desktop Widget which combines Mail, IM, SMS and MMS.12:47
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alteregoOnce, I come up with that killer idea. Though, I will continue to write fully FOSS maemo products. And the "Share with Contact" service, like the Media IM updater service is the kind of stuff I want to work on. Basically integrating normal maemo functionalty to make the platform more complete :)12:48
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alteregoSo for me, it's about enhancing the current functionality by integrating those components we already have, I find it quite fun and rewarding :)12:50
lcukalterego, heh12:50
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lcukLantizia, ping12:51
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lcukheya - your nice little hack12:51
Lantiziawhat about it12:52
lcuktheres pondering occuring on whether it would actually overlap the other partitions12:52
Lantiziaif you do a head -n 17 on the file12:52
lcukwhich might not be noticed until you have data12:52
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Lantiziayou'll see it specifies 768 for swap, 2048 for home... and doesn't specify size for MyDocs12:52
lcuki havent got it to hand - its just a ponderment that was raised12:52
Lantiziathe partition layout looks correct12:53
MohammadAG51imma try it soon12:53
lcukreasonable enough - as i say just initial o_O things12:53
MohammadAG514096 should do12:53
MohammadAG518192 is a lot12:53
LantiziaMohammadAG51, nah not if you install lots of games and things like perl from extras-devel12:54
MohammadAG51extras-devel has been enabled since day 112:54
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alteregoPerl is a bit of a game yes :P12:54
MohammadAG51quake 3's maps are in mydocs and symlinked to /home/user/.baseq312:54
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MohammadAG51alterego, lol12:55
lcukachievement unlocked: operating system in 3 lines12:55
Lantiziayeah in /home not MyDocs12:55
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MohammadAG51lcuk, eww, xbox12:56
alteregoI like my xbox :P12:56
Lantizialcuk, want my output of sfdisk -f /dev/mmcblk0 for verification?12:56
MohammadAG51alterego, I hate you12:56
alteregorawr :'(12:56
MohammadAG51PS3s ftw12:56
alteregoThe XBox is the best product MS have done imo :P12:57
MohammadAG51riiight, how many successful products have they done anyways12:57
alteregoA lot12:57
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MohammadAG51windows vista eh?12:58
alteregoThey are the most successful software company on the planet btw :P12:58
lcukLantizia, i wouldnt know how to read it but thanks ill put it elsewhere :)12:58
LantiziaI wonder if microsoft would have been a lovable company if they made games from day one, right back with the Altair12:58
Lantiziai.e. instead of making OS's and apps12:58
alteregoThis is why, when I start my own s/w company I'm going to do it on the moon or in space, so I can have a better title.12:58
lcukthe OS is a game12:58
lcukits got expansion packs and levels ;)12:58
alterego"The most successful software company in outer space (afaik)"12:59
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SpeedEvilI have just one aim in life.12:59
alteregoSpeedEvil: AOL are evil :P13:00
SpeedEvilFor my obituary to read '... the reclusive billionaire who for the past century had been living on the moon with his extensive harem of catgirls'.13:00
timeless_mbpLantizia: can you pastebin df -h?13:01
Lantiziatimeless, I've installed a number of packages first you realise :)13:01
timeless_mbpLantizia: i only care about totals per volume13:01
frals_alterego: ms best product is intellimouse explorer 3.0! ;-)13:01
timeless_mbpnot wasted space per volume13:01
frals_mmmmmm coffee13:02
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Lantiziatimeless, I would normally optify extra directories in /usr/share - but since Nokia have done pretty much about half the ones I'd normally optify in PR1.2 then I thought I'd leave it this time13:02
Lantiziaelse could free another 40MB on /13:03
sandst1frals: thx for reminding, i'm a few cups behind on the daily caffeine-overload x)13:03
timeless_mbpLantizia: yeah, i'm not interested in what you've moved where, only the partitioning13:03
Lantiziatimeless, I'm just saying I haven't moved anything :)13:04
timeless_mbpwe were just curious about the general intelligence of the nokia script you hacked13:04
timeless_mbpit seems like it's not as dumb as we expected13:04
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Lantiziait's important to note the old eMMC image didn't have these instructions at the top of the file13:04
Lantiziawith the old eMMC you have to flash it and repartition after ... but since pre-PR1.2 it'll allow you to repartition the eMMC and it'll come back after a reboot it's not an issue - with PR1.2 if you repartition the eMMC and reboot it flips out :S13:05
Lantiziatweaking the eMMC flash image is a more elegant solution anyway13:06
* timeless_mbp nods13:06
timeless_mbpfwiw, the mozilla people would probably appreciate your emmc partition change bits13:06
timeless_mbpi'm pretty sure they're running out of space :)13:06
Lantiziaback in december it took me forever to work out how to repartition it - felt really happy when I worked it out13:06
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Lantiziaand now it's all meaningless with one sed command :(13:07
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tybolltmozilla bloated13:08
tybolltnaaaaw nevar13:08
lcukLantizia, not meaningless, you simply found a more elegent way to deal with the change you wanted to do13:08
alteregoSo meego is going webkit, hope mobile firefox sticks around :)13:08
lcukeven if thats a hack atm13:08
Lantizialcuk, I don't know how you can call it a hack - it's changing a script concatenated at the start of a binary image13:09
Lantiziaseems legitimate to me13:09
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alteregoSeems more like a crack to me :P13:09
lcukLantizia, sure13:09
lcukalterego, old fashioned script kiddie stuff, changing captions in games to say "alterego was ere" :D13:10
alteregoCool, ofono is a Telepathy service :)13:10
LantiziaWhat I believe is... it formats the _ENTIRE_ eMMC as FAT32 (no partitions) and then after makes partitions 2 and 3 (home and swap) and a disused 413:10
DocScrutinizer(<Lantizia> DocScrutinizer, two liner?  one liner you mean)  heh, that's poor13:10
Lantiziabut because FAT32 doesn't have a beginning and an end... it doesn't matter13:10
achipaLantizia: but /usr/share is so full of useful and oft-used content ! Like the flash tutorial or the T&C for all languages known to man !13:11
alteregoachipa: except esperanto13:11
alteregoAnd Iraqi13:11
Lantiziaachipa, these I reckon can still be moved... "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo"13:11
Lantiziaif fonts and themes can be moved and it can still boot ... then so can sounds13:12
achipaLantizia: cherry cherry :)13:12
Lantiziasave about 30M that way13:12
timeless_mbphow does moving something from one bucket to another save anything?13:13
timeless_mbpdon't you typically save space by deleting?13:13
achipaalterego: obviously, I was exaggerating. Klingon and Sindarin are also plainly missing.13:13
Lantiziatimeless, saves space on / by moving it to the eMMC13:13
* timeless_mbp shrugs13:13
Lantiziatimeless, helpful for installing more packages that need a little bit of space on / for things like binaries and libraries13:13
achipatimeless_mbp: it saves hardcoded Nokia stuff from borking13:14
timeless_mbpbetter to get those things not to install to /13:14
achipa(when it runs into missing files)13:14
Lantiziatimeless, you can't do that for the main binaries and libraries however - not easily13:14
* timeless_mbp shrugs13:14
Lantiziaso better to move what isn't either off it13:14
achipatimeless_mbp: except these things are preinstalled13:14
timeless_mbpgenerally wrong13:14
timeless_mbpachipa: so?13:14
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timeless_mbpLantizia's goal is to enable pigs to install to /13:15
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timeless_mbpit seems better for the pigs to install to <not>/13:15
Lantiziatimeless, and you're going to achieve that how?13:15
timeless_mbpbuild w/ --prefix13:15
Lantiziawell I certainly cba to do that13:15
achipatimeless_mbp: so you cannot just delete/remove them less you risk package/application borkage (talking stricktly about Nokia packages here)13:15
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DrGrovIs there any good way to get a overview of Profile/WiFi/Bluetooth with a widget or so? Not need always to access the battery bar?13:16
timeless_mbpachipa: we aren't really talking about nokia packages13:16
timeless_mbpthey aren't really that interesting13:16
timeless_mbpyou can actually delete files from nokia packages13:16
DocScrutinizermost piggy pig is Nokia by nstalling things like first_steps_tut to /13:16
timeless_mbpapt doesn't care13:16
timeless_mbpit will still update the package as long as it claims to be there13:16
achipatimeless_mbp: "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" (+cherry)13:16
achipatimeless_mbp: "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" (+cherry)13:17
timeless_mbpachipa: just delete those files13:17
timeless_mbpand stop wasting space13:17
timeless_mbpdon't uninstall the packages13:17
timeless_mbpjust delete the files13:17
timeless_mbpshall i repeat again?13:17
timeless_mbp(do keep the locales you actually need...)13:17
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DrGrovAnyone not thought about making such a widget that I propose? Not need always to check whether something is on or off...13:17
achipais there a tune you can do that to ? :)13:17
timeless_mbpapt does not *care* at all if files are missing13:17
DocScrutinizerLantizia: sounds is more likely to be needed *very* early in boot than either fonts or locale13:18
achipatimeless_mbp: there are apps that DO (cherry cherry cola, as I personally discovered)13:18
timeless_mbp has some music13:18
LantiziaDocScrutinizer, well they're only 3.3MB13:18
DocScrutinizerLantizia: I told you the bare bones system acting_dead on charge is probably accessing a sound for battery charge signallinfg13:18
DrGrovOk, I will talk with someone that actually is interested then13:18
timeless_mbpi'm not sure offhand how many pieces cherry actually hooks, but it's likely that you can replace its hook points and then delete the rest13:19
timeless_mbpbut really, it shouldn't matter13:20
timeless_mbpif you're trying to install 200mb of shared libraries for other apps13:20
timeless_mbpthey won't fit on /13:20
timeless_mbpif you make /opt bigger and arrange for them to install to /opt, then they'll fit there13:21
timeless_mbpwasting hours trying to prune a tree might be interesting13:21
timeless_mbpbut more often than not, it's a complete waste of time13:21
DrGrovthe pre-MeeGo tablets demo I am watching now which was linked from Will that actually be the UI perhaps even for the N900?13:21
timeless_mbpDrGrov: is this #meego?13:22
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: oh, just thought i'd ask for fun. nothing more. sorry about that.13:22
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* timeless_mbp doesn't think it's fun13:22
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CorsacDrGrov: tablet != handset13:22
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: ok, i will not say it is fun then. i will say nothing more about meego nor something related to that.13:23
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: seem like cranky today, eh?13:23
timeless_mbpi am13:24
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: ok, then i will not say more irritating things since i know how it feels like to be cranky.13:24
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: sorry about that :)13:25
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timeless_mbpbut please try to keep the borders straight in general13:25
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: yes, i will try my best. it was just so fun to see that video so i got excited about it in general.13:25
timeless_mbpexcitement is nice, but it needs to be directed appropriately13:25
tybolltmust... not.. make... rapist... joke... >:)13:26
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: agreed, that was completely my mistake going off-topic.13:26
DocScrutinizerborder patrol is aproaching with flashing read and blue lights13:26
DrGrovDAMN you DocScrutinizer! LOL13:26
DrGrovYou sent the idiots to catch me, I trusted you...13:27
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DrGrovEven you my DocScrutinizer? Even you?13:27
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DrGrovHumor is good, very good :)13:27
* DrGrov hugs timeless_mbp 13:27
DrGrovOh, wtf did I do wrong now then?13:28
DrGrovNo hugging allowed either?13:28
SpeedEvilDepends where you put the tongue.13:28
DrGrovSpeedEvil: ah you dirty man. i just waited for you to show your face and get the dirty things going13:29
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: you need some cheering up? i got a few good clips to show that might actually get you out of that cranky mood13:29
timeless_mbpthere's a useless party soon13:30
timeless_mbpand there's a soccer game tonight13:30
* timeless_mbp should get lunch13:30
timeless_mbpcurrently, i'm a bit saddened, i finally finished a task13:30
tybollttimeless_mbp: s,soccer,football, _please_13:30
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: perhaps you have a solution to my current problem? i see on this screenshot that there is a WiFi shortcut on the desktop but I do not know how to get one there myself.13:30
timeless_mbptybollt: football is ambiguous13:31
SpeedEvilDrGrov: there is an app in extras or somewhere13:31
obsidiethjust out of curiosity, what is involvd with getting irssi running with perl scripting enabled13:31
tybollttimeless_mbp: is not13:31
obsidiethive installed perl, but it seems i might have to rebuild irssi?13:31
DocScrutinizerDrGrov: sorry I don't know it (yet)13:31
timeless_mbpthe last two visitors i've had are American Football players playing American Football here in Finland13:31
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: no worries :)13:31
SpeedEviltimeless: It's not. See for help13:31
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: good food always cheers up :)13:31
silbo_____and sexy woman13:32
tybolltDrGrov: good stuff - lets all have mämmi and some whipped cream!13:32
silbo_____and naked woman13:32
DrGrovtybollt: F*** NO for mämmi!13:32
DrGrovtybollt: lol13:32
tybolltmmmh mämmi13:32
* timeless_mbp wonders what m?mmi is13:32
DrGrovi take a big chunk of snus under my lip and it is better than some mämmi13:33
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: beware of the mämmi power13:33
lcukX-Fade, heya, question - can i change my cloak to something other than community? :)13:33
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: it is black goo look-a-like desert13:33
SpeedEvilAnd cement!13:33
tybolltDrGrov: don't be daft - he knows perfectly fine what mämmi is :)13:33
X-Fadelcuk: no13:33
DrGrovtybollt: i am not daft you finnish juntti :) lol13:33
DrGrovtybollt: ah, he tried to trick me? damn him! :)13:34
lcukhows it goin this morning X-Fade13:34
X-Fadeiptables not doing what I want.13:34
timeless_mbptybollt: m <question> m m i?13:34
timeless_mbpno, i don't13:34
DocScrutinizerlcuk: what's wrong with community?13:34
lcukX-Fade, adding new domains?13:35
timeless_mbpi don't have a corrective algorithm for random letter sequences13:35
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: it is black goo-like desert that has a strong taste. tasted good with whipped cream. very much sugar.13:35
X-Fadelcuk: forwarding some ports to some VMs.13:35
jaskamämmi... nom nom nom13:35
timeless_mbpso, basically, it's junk which tastes good w/ sweeteners13:35
DrGrovno mämmi!13:35
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: spot on, not need any fancy explanation about mämmi. it is just junk :)13:36
lcuklol DocScrutinizer nothing at all13:36
lcukX-Fade, ahh is this obs stuff again13:36
timeless_mbpwhy not skip the junk and go straight for the sweeteners?13:36
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: m ? m m i  is eqiv to  m{2,3}i13:36
X-Fadelcuk: Yes13:36
DrGrovi wonder how i will survive midsummer without any #maemo nor maemo apps? :/13:36
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DocScrutinizerDrGrov: you're sure it's not some rotten fish or the like?13:38
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loufoquewhat does extended call log actually add compared to the regular call log?13:38
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: yeah, it is not rotten fish13:38
tybolltmmmh surströmming13:38
DrGrovloufoque: you can see all calls13:38
DocScrutinizeraah, yes. That was the name13:38
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loufoqueDrGrov: I can see that in the normal call log as well13:39
DrGrovtimeless_mbp: you should try the nuuska13:39
* timeless_mbp should try lunch13:40
DrGrovloufoque: yes but not the whole list of calls. with advanced call log you see each call as separate.13:40
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tybolltDocScrutinizer: you're not allowed to board an airplane w/ surströmming anymore - considered too explosive13:41
DocScrutinizerlcuk: drop community and get unafiliated13:41
tybollt(that's not a joke :)13:41
DocScrutinizertybollt: lol13:41
lcukDocScrutinizer, im very afiliated tho :)13:41
loufoqueDrGrov: indeed, it appears it's merged13:42
DocScrutinizerI wonder if surströmming is considered worse than antrax13:42
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DocScrutinizermoo lardman13:43
tybolltsurströmming is not a bioweapon13:44
tybolltthe problem is that the fish expands a lot during fermenting13:44
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tybolltso yes in rare and bizarre case she cans have been known to explode13:45
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lardmanhey docscrutinizer13:51
* lardman finally found some time to do some work on mBarcode, nice feeling13:52
DocScrutinizersomebody found blue indicator LED not flashing on new msgs in PR1.2? o.O13:53
lcuklardman, lots of us are finding time to do things13:54
morddoesn't seem to blink on instant messages (can't remember if it did before though)13:55
* lcuk is stressing to find a document editor that makes nice layouts tho13:55
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DocScrutinizerI'd suggest to the poor guy saurabh on [devel] he should check his settings - indicator-light, then see if he gets white or maybe orange breathing and power-on indicator, and if it's orange he probably has a hw defect13:56
DocScrutinizerBut I'd like to hear a WFM for blue SMS / mail flashing indicator on 1.2 first13:57
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DocScrutinizerguys? gals?13:57
infobot:), DocScrutinizer13:59
DocScrutinizerc'mon, it's really that stupid and simple a question: have you seen blue flashing indicator on PR1.2? anybody? ever?14:01
frals_mine is flashing blue for new sms im pretty sure14:01
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: yes14:01
tybolltyeah mine too14:04
tybolltreally anything that needs to alert you when the phone is sleeping/screen locked14:04
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lcukholy fscking mother of gahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.  i just got a papercut on my tongue whilst licking a rollup14:11
Robot101lcuk: ow14:11
mgedminsmoking is dangerous to your health ;)14:12
tybolltlcuk: :D14:12
lcukin more ways than one!  this is undocumented and more immediate14:13
SpeedEvilAlso - there is spontaneous human combustion.14:13
DocScrutinizerlcuk: SUE!!14:13
lcukthat implies i am human o_O14:13
frals_lcuk: serves you right for smoking ;-)14:14
* DocScrutinizer lights up the VanNelle spliff14:14
lardmandocscrutinizer: re blue light, works for me with sms at least14:15
lcuktell you what frals, ill try and stop if you code up the specs im writing now :p14:15
DocScrutinizerlardman: thanks. Already answerd the poor guys misplaced question (how is that [devel]? :-S )14:15
frals_lcuk: bah! ;)14:16
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* lcuk might just use the posh template with sketches in the middle of it14:18
DocScrutinizerposh spice?14:19
lcukDocScrutinizer, nahh nicer templates i got, im trying to find an editor to allow me to writeup things properly and just keep coming back to pushing them out directly from liqbase cos its just easier14:21
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DocScrutinizerlick posh - I see :-P14:22
lcuk:D there are worse things to lick14:22
SpeedEvilI find useful14:22
lcukSpeedEvil, nice - at the moment, ive got all my sketches and notes as little elements - i need to combine them to make proper outlines14:23
* lcuk has a sketch to svg, but web svg support is somewhat slow14:24
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alludushow do i remap Aring key into Alt key on 2 arrow kb?14:29
SpeedEvillcuk: It's possibly not 100% appopriate - but it has nice ideas14:30
DocScrutinizeralludus: err, please rephrase14:31
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alludusI need to remap Å-> Aring key into Alt key14:32
alteregoHoly crap, Nokia are allowing individuals to publish to Ovi now!14:32
alluduson two arrow keyboard14:32
MohammadAG51alterego, hasn't it always been that way?14:33
lcukSpeedEvil, indeed it does :) and it matches with something else i am considering14:34
* lcuk is learning lots about the web14:34
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DocScrutinizermoo mo14:40
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DocScrutinizeranybody got a N8 USB adaper for me?14:42
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DocScrutinizerheard those critters ship with N814:42
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* achipa realizes the sound he hears are not vuvuzelas - the actual beeswarm is back, and it's making him uneasy14:49
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haltdefcovered in bees~14:51
alteregoDocScrutinizer: is it just a gender changer for the normal USB cable?14:52
achipakid you not, it's scary, they are even closer than last time
DocScrutinizeralterego: probably14:52
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DocScrutinizerI'd like to see and check one, to know for sure14:52
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ghostcubesup peoples14:53
alteregoAnyhow, bbl14:53
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DocScrutinizerachipa: don't wear black, stay cool, call fire brigades14:54
* achipa not wearing black: check, stay cool: check, fire brigade: what fire brigade ?14:54
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achipa(3rd neighbor keeps bees, probably are his, so no need to panic, probably just didn't notice they are prepping to swarm)14:57
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DrGrovDamn this Internet!14:59
DrGrovI am going to seek revenge against my ISP. Cables are always in the way.14:59
DrGrovARGH! Vacuuming in front of the router is not a clever idea14:59
hajDrGrov: don't worry too much... it's just a hype, it's going to be gone soon.. :)14:59
DocScrutinizerachipa: ok, then probably it's not a swarm of african killer bees :-)15:00
DocScrutinizerachipa: nice pics btw15:00
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ghostcubeany rollercoaster news or other cool games or programms :)15:01
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Dassucan anobody here provide an alternative to flash for youtube?15:05
DassuZoutube doesn't work for all videos15:05
achipaDocScrutinizer: thx15:06
achipaDrGrov: the same goes for life support equipment (vacuuming) !15:06
zaheermi'm working on a fix for changed their html..expect to see a new version in extras-testing by the weekend15:06
achipazaheerm: are you scraping or using the youtube api ?15:06
zaheermachipa, the youtube api doesn't tell you what formats are available for a specific video15:07
zaheermachipa, so some stuff needs to be scraped15:07
Dassuzaheerm: :o oke15:07
zaheermthat's actaully the only scraping i am doing, the rest is witht he api15:07
achipazaheerm: I see... didn't know, I just used the API for flashlauncher15:08
hajzaheerm: ah.. nice.. I was just trying to use zoutube like an hour ago and was annoyed that it didn't work. looking forward to the new version.15:08
DocScrutinizerLMAO   XP   N8 stylus... ->"" This should be a better solution than sausages, which are quickly becoming popular in South Korea for the use with capacitive screens""15:08
Dassuzaheerm: any word on real full screen with zoutube?15:08
zaheermDassu, the latest one in extras-testing uses the built in media player which ahs full-screen15:08
zaheermDassu, but due to youtube changing their html, i need to change zoutube code15:09
MyrttiDocScrutinizer: I like my pink pogo stylus15:09
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hajDocScrutinizer: haha... a "totenschläger"-stylus.. :)15:10
Myrttior pogo sketch or whatever it's called15:11
DocScrutinizerhaj: close - "Totschläger"15:11
hajDocScrutinizer: it's a hard word to spell... :)15:11
Dassuzaheerm: oke, thanks for info.15:12
hajah.. and it seems to be a common error to spell it totenschläger in Denmark.. 2030 hits on google, only 138 danish hits on "totschläger".. stupid Denmarkians... :)15:13
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DocScrutinizer51anyway a totenschlaeger would be quite useless, the dead don't need to be beaten anymore15:27
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DocScrutinizer51while tot is to be dead which makes more sense15:28
hajDocScrutinizer: :)15:29
hajDocScrutinizer: anyway, the stylus looks a bit silly... I like the one on the N900. I'm a bit amazed that I didn't missplace it somewhere yet..15:30
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crashanddieI misplaced mine a couple days ago15:32
crashanddiegreetings, earthlings15:32
DocScrutinizer51I'm using it quite rarely, so chances to lose it are rare. In case I have a spare that a Nokia service droid 'forgot' in the return package during last repair15:32
DocScrutinizer51greetings oh master15:33
hajuhm .. havn't had any repairs yet... but mine is only 3months old or so... what did you get repaired? the USBport issue?15:33
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DocScrutinizer51nope. Flat cable body to screen. also a not so rare problem15:34
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DocScrutinizer51at least that's what I guess they fixed. The repair papers weren't very verbose on nature of problem or type of fix15:36
DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: and did it turn up again?15:38
crashanddiejust now actually, I just looked under the couch15:38
DocScrutinizer51crashanddie: you got a CA-157 for me? :-D15:41
DocScrutinizer51(N8 adapter OTG)15:41
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Surfai found my stylus in the couch one day15:43
Surfaafter looking for it couple of days15:43
crashanddienow if only I could find my zippo again15:44
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tybolltI had a zippo once15:46
hajbut you lost it? :)15:46
tybolltoh yes15:46
tybolltI was in the boyscouts... it was very usefull... the only thing that would always light me a fire no matter what :)15:47
tybolltbut this was >20 years ago :P15:47
hajit's annoying losing things.... the most annoying thing I ever lost was my first 9300i, that I hadn't backed up for like 6 months.... grrr!15:47
hajreminds me that I still havn't set up my N900 to do automatic rsyncs nightly when it's connected to my home wifi.. ;)15:48
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crashanddiehaj & tybollt: well, it's probably in my gf's bag or something15:49
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crashanddieI know she took when we last went for tennis, so it's probably not "lost", just "temporarily misplaced"15:50
crashanddieanyway, gotta run, later15:50
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hajcrashanddie: nah.. I lost .. and now he leaves.. oh well, i lost it in a street called "Pusherstreet" in Christiania (Copenhagen)... ;)15:51
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GAN900I love Engadget calling iOS's fake multitasking so amazing.16:11
prontoo.O cisco?16:11
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prontooh haha16:12
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* FauxFaux read ios first too. :p16:12
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DocScrutinizer51incredible. now the charger died just in time to send it in for repair together with the N90016:13
Appiahwhat did you do with the n900?16:14
GAN900DocScrutinizer51, I tell you, they know.16:14
BCMMit died of a broken heart16:14
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DocScrutinizer51bah, why? I used it all the time16:15
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DocScrutinizer51Appiah: me nothing. Nokia broke the powerswitch while repairing it16:18
tybolltstill didn't get that fixed?16:18
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tybolltDocScrutinizer51: I told you you need to go all apeshit on their asses :)16:19
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tybolltah you're sending it16:19
Appiahso you gave it to nokia to repair something and meanwhile they broke the switch? :)16:19
DocScrutinizer51tybollt: I didn't want to send it in again as long as no spare. Now I got a spare since 2 days :)16:20
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DocScrutinizer51Appiah: yep16:20
tybolltyou finally caught the DHL-guy then?16:21
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tybolltgood stuff16:21
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alteregowow, that was an essay ... :D16:28
alteregoI hope I don't come acrfoss like too much of a Nokia fanboi ^_^16:28
DocScrutinizer51alterego: eh?16:31
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alteregoDocScrutinizer51 my tmo post16:34
alteregoWith reams of of spelling and gramatical errors.16:34
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LantiziaFauxFaux, I love how Apple have has to not only license iPhone from Cisco but not iOS as well :)16:40
tybolltso they do license ios?16:40
LantiziaCisco should start a new division buying up likely Apple trademarks and selling them16:41
tybolltI was thinking for a bit "how in the HELL can cisco accept the use of iOS?"16:41
Lantiziatybollt, They license the use of both of the names16:41
ghostcubeapple is more worse than google16:41
LantiziaLinksys owned a Wi-FI phone called iPhone (now Cisco) and IOS is the name of Cisco's OS16:41
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ghostcubethey changed the privacy policy16:41
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Corsacmaybe apple is buying cisco16:48
Appiahthat's a scary scenario16:49
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tybolltI don't see that happening16:50
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tybolltapple is so far a lot of "bubble" monneh16:50
tybolltcisco is real monneh16:50
tybolltread apple is all hype16:51
tybolltzOMG apple!11116:51
korhojoaanyone have really wobbly ping times to their n900?16:51
GAN900It's too bad Apple has such great hardware16:52
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korhojoadamn. i can't get ssh to work well16:53
korhojoait takes forever to do anything when it's so unstable16:53
Appiahloosing connection?16:53
korhojoait's like using the internet on a train16:53
korhojoausing wifi, not losing connection16:54
korhojoajust very glitychy16:54
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korhojoaMinimum = 5ms, Maximum = 1986ms, Average = 211ms16:55
X-Fadekorhojoa: Check powersaving on your AP.16:56
Appiah5ms - 1986ms16:56
GAN900Just wish their software didn't suck so much16:57
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korhojoaX-Fade: it doesn't matter which ap i'm using16:57
GAN900Nokia clearly isn't interested in my continued business16:57
korhojoaX-Fade: it worked fine in the past, then a month or two ago it decided to stop working properly16:58
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X-Fadekorhojoa: Running PR1.2?16:58
korhojoaX-Fade: yup16:58
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korhojoait was wonky before 1.216:59
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E0xdamn my headset stop get detected by my phone17:07
E0xi can buy a replacement what find as headset too ? ( i really like the original )17:07
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KhertanHi !17:08
fluxe0x, I'm sure you can atleast buy second hand. I haven't used mine, for instance. although possibly they are available otherwise as well..17:08
KhertanI see that now ovi store is open to individual developpers17:08
Khertana bit late :)17:08
Myrttisurely it's open for all the platforms, not just maemo17:09
nidOno need for a vat number finally?17:09
Myrttiso I'm not sure if the "a bit late" comment is warranted17:09
KhertannidO, they ask one :)17:09
Khertaneven for individual developpers :)17:10
nidOstill not really open for individual developers then :p17:10
KhertanMyrtti, what you mean by warranted ?17:10
MyrttiKhertan: called for17:10
Myrttibit late for what?17:10
nidObit late as in bloody slow17:11
nidOthe ovi store's been open, what, over a year?17:11
nidOand only just now allowing non-big-businesses to submit apps to it17:11
DocScrutinizer51E0x: odds are it's your N900 receptacle and not the headset which causes the detecting issue17:11
KhertanMyrtti, a bit late as noone anymore on maemo plateform or meego believe anymore on the ovi store :)17:11
Myrttibloody slow, that I can understand, but late? again, late for what?17:11
nidOfor not missing the boat17:11
E0xDocScrutinizer51: what ?17:11
E0xsorry i don't understand17:11
RST38hNokia's premier range of devices, the N Series, will bid adieu to the Symbian operating environment and go MeeGo full time after the introduction of the N817:12
fluxdocscrutinizer51, I've found that headsets are infact can easily get damaged. I think I'm using my fourth pair of sony headsets now..17:12
E0xDocScrutinizer51: hmm you say the problem is not my headset and is my phone ?17:13
E0xi try another headphone and get detected17:13
E0xbut i don't try another headset17:13
fluxdocscrutinizer51, ah I suppose you mean that the mechanical switch that should still work in any case..17:13
DocScrutinizer51if headset isn't detected then you should try with arbitrary other headphone/set17:13
DocScrutinizer51E0x: well if other headphone is detected then probably the original one is actually broken17:15
E0xDocScrutinizer51: that is what i think too17:15
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E0xDocScrutinizer51: a headphone ( just speakers ) is get detected and working just fine17:17
E0xmaybe i will try find some headset to test it too17:17
E0x( spearks and mic )17:17
DocScrutinizer51test av-cable with TV17:18
X-FadeThe buttons are just a resistance, right?17:19
DocScrutinizer51should get pretty clear bright picture. stable. no shadows or jitter17:19
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: holdbutton hs?17:19
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X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: Yes.17:19
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DocScrutinizer51short mic to gnd17:20
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: With variable resistance.17:20
DocScrutinizer51mic = 3. contact17:20
X-FadeDifferent value for every button.17:20
DocScrutinizer51just short17:20
SpeedEvilThere is only one button.17:20
DocScrutinizer51I got just one button17:20
X-FadeNot on other headsets made by nokia at least.17:21
X-FadeThey had vol up/down too.17:21
Myrtti♥ telephone calls to mum17:21
DocScrutinizer51other phones17:21
Myrttiwhat was I saying17:21
DocScrutinizer51there are probably different methods for multibutton headsets17:22
DocScrutinizer51restistance one of them17:22
MyrttiKhertan: Ovi store isn't only for Maemo or Meego, and in relation to the amount of headsets sold using those OS's it's a drip in the ocean, so that might be the reason why the development team of Ovi haven't considered the lifespan of N900 a hard deadline for implementing an arbitrary rule.17:23
Myrttinot that I know of these things, but I can speculate as anyone can17:23
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: a much better method would be slow serial data 'morsed' via mic short to gnd17:24
ghostcubefolks i know nokia is slow as hell, but when are the games announced in all the damn vids be available o.O17:24
X-FadeDocScrutinizer51: I've heard that too before.17:24
Appiahwhat games?17:24
Appiahwhat vids?17:24
DocScrutinizer51X-Fade: particularly far and in a call will hear :-)17:25
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ShadowJKyeah what games, what vids, what announcements...17:28
ShadowJKI didn't think nokia made games anymore :-)17:28
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KhertanMyrtti, do not accept individuals developpers is an arbitrary rules ? Funny17:29
MohammadAGis the autobuilder down or something? Xarchiver shouldn't take so long to compile...17:29
DocScrutinizer51anyway I asked at Nokia competence center for CA-157 or *any* other OTG cable or adapter. Not available17:29
ghostcube   is there any affort to this till now17:30
DocScrutinizer51NOTHING available17:30
MyrttiKhertan: I'm not claiming it can't be done quickly, the decision, I'm just saying that ... let me check so I don't misquote you17:30
ShadowJKI suspect there's little effort on android, and it's probably a huge task17:30
ghostcubeDocScrutinizer51: ;(17:31
KhertanMyrtti, noway do not waste your time ... i ll keep my position :)17:31
Khertanand must go on :) bye17:31
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Myrttiyeah. Ovi store was made only for Maemo software.17:32
RST38hKhertan,Myrtti: OviStore vs AntiOviStore?17:32
DocScrutinizer51Myrtti: (((:17:32
ghostcubeAppiah: this damn rollercoaster thingy i want to play for testing at least, and it was announced weeeeeeks ago :)17:32
ghostcubethe others get boring17:32
MyrttiRST38h: I couldn't care less of the bloody Ovi Store, they've got nothing for my old handset.17:32
Myrttiincidentally, they have nothing for my new handset either, but that's not their fault - they are allowed to limit the selection to software for Nokia handsets17:33
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Appiahnever heard of ghostcube17:33
RST38hMyrtti: I would like to point it out that the problem with Ovi Store is not the lack of Maemo support17:34
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RST38hMyrtti: The problem is that they make it so bloody difficult and expensive to publish stuff there that NOBODY except their really really preferred subcontractors will go through the trouble17:34
RST38hMyrtti: Maemo or Symbian or PC, does not matter17:35
DocScrutinizer51ovostore sucks big time17:35
MyrttiRST38h: I'm not denying that, even if I don't have any experience of it myself.17:35
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RST38hMyrtti: If Ovi were the only possible distribution channel, the people would curse Nokia but jump through the loops. Some of them (a few) would even publish17:36
ShadowJKlooking at tmo, ovi store makes it pretty difficult yto buy apps too17:36
GAN900Throws weird errors about tmp being filled that mean nothing.17:36
DocScrutinizer51there's just no app that's NOT 'free'17:36
RST38hMyrtti: But the way it is, it is easier for me to just self-sign my Symbian package, and use a CC processing company + website to sell it17:36
RST38hMyrtti: Or use some third party app store like Handango17:37
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, some level packs for games iirc17:37
ShadowJKand sygic maps if you're crazo enough not to buy straight from sygic17:37
RST38hMyrtti: So, yes, Ovi is probably going down the drain, pretty soon, as soon as the current app store craze passes over.17:37
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: nope. sygic is 'free'17:38
MyrttiRST38h: what I'm saying is that "ovi store is finally open for individual developers, *a bit late* [...] *for Maemo or Meego*" is a valid opinion, and I probably agree with it, but I don't think that the developers of Ovi Store made it "possible" for individual developers to put their software in the bloody thing because it was something Maemo community demanded, Ovi store wasn't made for only Maemo products.17:39
ShadowJKi guess it's a demo17:39
DocScrutinizer51last time I checked. Thought fsckU I know it costs $ and wanna know how much, not dl free test version to earn oops it's a teaser17:39
Myrttianyway I'm not sure if I can ... hold on, lost a word17:39
Myrttianyway I'm not sure I can communicate what I'm trying to too well, so I'll just continue on doing my own stuff and you go back doing whatever you were doing17:40
ShadowJKOvi just inherited the hobbyist-hostility of symbian :-)17:40
MyrttiShadowJK: yup17:40
Appiahgood thing we can get applications from other places then OVI then17:41
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RST38hMyrtti: Ah of course not, who the hell cares about Maemo community "demands"?17:42
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RST38hMyrtti: I guess it  is just starting to become evident to the Ovi people that they are doing something majorly wrong. So, they are trying to change the course of the ship17:43
MyrttiRST38h: yup, and as we all know, big ships turn slow17:44
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RST38hMyrtti: Yea, my bet is that they are gonna hit the iceberg.17:44
MyrttiRST38h: out of worry for my countrymen, I hope not.17:45
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luke-jrdoes a sundial require a circle to represent a half-day?17:46
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luke-jror can one make a 24-hour sundial17:46
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DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: ?? o.O17:47
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nidOif one can find a place that's sunny 24 hours a day, yet still has the sun rising and setting, im sure one could17:48
luke-jrDocScrutinizer51: I'm switching to tonal time17:48
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: on the poles you probably can make a 24h sundial17:48
luke-jrI don't need it to work the whole day, just be accurate when the sun is up :)17:48
DocScrutinizer51luke-jr: you'll need that to talk to the pinguins17:49
Myrttiyou people should stop eating the funny mushrooms17:49
RST38hMyrtti: It will only hit a tiny percentage of your countrymen and you can always write it off to natural selection =)17:49
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ShadowJKyes you can have 24hr sundial17:51
ShadowJKbut it'll only work north of arctic circle, in the summer17:51
DocScrutinizer51ShadowJK: c'mon that's not been a serious question17:51
isuckfreaking crap !!!! The live stream on doesnt freaking work!!!! "Internet device" my ass .... I need to follow this game jerks !!!!17:51
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luke-jrMyrtti: tonal ftw17:52
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MyrttiKHUY: lolwhat17:52
Myrttiluke-jr: huh?17:52
isuckD I S A P P O I T M E N T17:52
Myrttioh, him17:52
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DocScrutinizer51isuck: blame fifa.com17:53
mgedminspell chekcer17:53
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mgedmindidn't anybody slap that troll down yet?17:54
isuckI'm away from gome today and I was hoping to follow the game on this "internet device" N900....but no it doesnt freaking support it.... god dam!!!17:54
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Myrttiisuck: here, let me give you a handkerchief *TRRRLLÖÖÖT*17:54
isuckso much for full inernet experience - what a joke17:55
Myrttiisuck: so get another device that fulfills your expectations and have a happy life.17:55
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isuckmy buddy with android is laughing at me and my brick right now17:56
DocScrutinizer51isuck: takeit. bastards pushing activex applets to stream video on ms explorer ONLY are the ones to shoot down. Get a winmoob device and stop boring us17:57
Myrttiisuck: he's not the only one laughing at you17:57
isuckbut i'm not talking about live video....but freaking text play by play !!!!!17:57
isucktext only !!!!!17:58
isuckyou would think i could follow text on n900 no?17:58
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E0xisuck: give you n900 to the charity and buy another phone17:58
Bactiustext only no problem. you are talking about live feed function...17:59
isuckis that all you can say EOx ?17:59
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isucka simple freaking live text feed .... but dont work17:59
Trewasisuck: maybe you should whine to idiots who made text-only site requiring flash 1017:59
DocScrutinizer51isuck: you would think somebody buying a N900 would know enough to undertand implications of proprietary formats17:59
Myrttiisuck: what do you expect US to do to the fact that it doesn't work?17:59
Bactiuslol this is a live text feed as well18:00
Myrttiisuck: here, let me cry you a river.18:00
isuckis there any hacks or work arounds for this problem?18:00
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lcukshare the link and explain the problem18:00
Myrttino wait, I'll let Justin Timberlake to do it18:00
lcuklets see if it is18:00
MohammadAGmeh, I left for an hour or so and you're still talking about flash 1018:00
* MohammadAG misses his i518:01
DocScrutinizer51just this minute18:01
DocScrutinizer51and believe me not for long :-(18:01
Myrttiluke-jr: what about tonal system? I couldn't care less about it18:01
* MohammadAG checks buffer18:01 second.....look: try this shit on your n900s :18:01
luke-jrMyrtti: fail18:02
isuckdont fucken work !!18:02
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isuckdid you dudes click ?18:02
lcukisuck, wheres the text stream?18:02
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isuckclick on da linky mate18:03
lcukand does that huuuuuuuge flash work on any mobile device?18:03
lcukthats not text  - thats a big flash thing18:03
lcukcant play it on my laptop18:03
DocScrutinizerDie EX18:03
isucklcuk: i smell bullcrap18:03
DocScrutinizerwird unter doiesem Betriebssystem nicht untestuetzt18:04
lcuknot really isuck im watching game on my n900 now btw on bbc iplayer18:04
DocScrutinizerFUCKIT and that's my LAPTOP18:04
lcukengland are plaing well18:04
crashanddieKHUY: that's enough18:04
DocScrutinizerso isuck STFU18:04
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lcukisuck, so meh18:04
KHUYdo u like my drawings??18:04
crashanddieKHUY: no, stop it18:05
crashanddieKHUY: post one more, and you'll be quieted18:05
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lcukKHUY, those are cool, what did you draw em in18:05
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: pay one, take 218:05
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lcukor are they actual sketches?18:05
KHUYlcuk: yes18:05
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KHUYmy teacher didnt like them18:05
KHUYhe's homosexual retard18:06
isuckwhere do i download iplayer?18:06
lcukisuck, i dunno i just go onto the bbc website and it works18:06
DocScrutinizeron iShop?18:06
MohammadAGKHUY, how old are you...18:06
isuckand the games work on n900?18:07
KHUYgod, i fucking hate gays18:07
KHUYthey are so stupid18:07
KHUYgay xD18:07
mirfyou'ra gay18:07
lcukits playin a bit more sluggish than usual iplayer streams, i think this england match is really overloading it18:07
lcukisuck, yes im listening and watching now18:07
KHUYmirf; no18:07
mirfwe'll see ;)18:07
* lcuk uses his n900 stand for its proper purpose18:07
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mirfit omes with a stand lcuk ?18:08
Myrttilcuk: I doubt that iplayer works in Brampton, ON, Canada.18:08
lcukMyrtti, thats not my problem really18:08
Myrttilcuk: true :-)18:08
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lcukmirf, theres a kickstand on device and ive got another stand also18:08
GAN900Soccer's for socialists anyway18:09
* lcuk is watching england match on n900 and happy :)18:09
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* DocScrutinizer turns laptop to portrait mode, to better cope with all the one word lines, and all the noise18:09
MohammadAGcrashanddie, that ^ saved you the trouble of kicking him18:09
Myrttimeh. Now the Justin Timberlake earwormed on me18:09
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mirfmine comes in the post tomorrow18:09
mirftoo bad I@m at work... gonna be sooo distracted18:10
* mgedmin tried using an external LCD in portrait mode, but subpixel rendering gets all whacked out making text unpleasant to read :/18:10
DocScrutinizerfine khuy is gone18:10
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lcukmgedmin, on MS windows you can choose the orientation18:10
mgedminyeah, I tried that18:11
lcukshockingly its quite well thought out18:11
mgedminit just looks wrong with vertical subpixels18:11
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mgedminand on Linux you can't have different subpixel order on different monitors18:11
lcukmgedmin, theres a subpixel cleartype config utility18:11
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lcukto let you choose the orientation it uses, not just a single tickbox18:11
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Myrttifunny how running geoip on a troll that has foolishly let their IP to be visible always shuts them up18:13
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lcukMyrtti, i think it was more about actually having nothing to rant about18:13
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lcuksince his main point was "i cant watch football" and we all sat here watching football18:13
Myrttilcuk: you'd be amazed how many times I've done that exact thing with the exact same result though18:14
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DocScrutinizer51lcuk: LOL18:18
Turksanyone mind helping me figure out a problem on the n800?18:18
DocScrutinizer51Myrtti: ack18:18
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DocScrutinizer51Turks: everybody watching the games18:18
lcukshh :p18:19
Turksyou arent ;)18:19
lcukoh, i am18:19
DocScrutinizer51actually I do18:19
lcuki just dont know how many others are18:19
flailingmonkeyMyrtti: this has been documented before:
* mgedmin is trying to remember what an n800 looks like ..... remembered18:19
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DocScrutinizer51and GAN900 will start a live twitter on this chan in a moment :-P18:20
flailingmonkeyremove anonymity, shuts them up18:20
lcukDocScrutinizer51, hes scary once he starts18:20
Turksim just trying to get regular messaging with the accounts application, theyre listed as if i can add them, but they never show up in the accounts list18:21
DocScrutinizer51lcuk: I know :-D18:21
Myrttiflailingmonkey: indeed18:21
lcukTurks, personally unsure others will know18:22
DocScrutinizer51oooh fsck18:22
Turksits just annoying. pidgin sucks on maemo 4 (?)18:23
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mgedminquiet here all of a sudden18:48
flailingmonkeywow, Nokia will actually have more than one M***o device at a time? apparently after current N8 release all N-series are going to run MeeGo18:49
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DocScrutinizer51hmm. us+uk18:50
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eitamaN8 is not maemo though, so with is the other one?18:50
eitamanever mind (:18:50
* eitama covers face and hides18:51
achipait's not like they are going to refresh the N8 after a month. So the 'more than one at a time' will be good for early 2012 at best18:51
flailingmonkeyN8 is to be last N-series that isn't MeeGo (they don't clarify Harmattan vs., but w/e)18:51
achipathey are going to call it meego, they just haven't decided if it's going to be based on meega, derived from meego, inspired by meego or what...18:52
DocScrutinizer51actually I had expected to see a N8 alike for next magoo device18:52
achipan8 is below min meego specs... arm11 and all18:53
achipa(offical ones, anyway)18:53
flailingmonkeyachipa: its just an indication of how MeeGo figures into their plans. Maemo was always something that got a single device at a time, and now it will basically be the differentiator for the whole N series18:53
flailingmonkeyholy cow, US?18:53
DocScrutinizer51arm11 isn't good enough now?18:53
solrizesomeone on #symbian mentioned that maemo's UI is very touchscreen-centric, i.e. there's no way to run it on an e63/blackberry like device18:54
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DocScrutinizer51sure the amoled is subpar wrt res18:54
achipaDocScrutinizer: AFAIK it's ARMv7 for the official builds18:54
achipayou can of course roll your own like Carsten and the hw adaptation project18:54
solrizebtw does anyone know if it's possible to use all 3 n900 radios at the same time?  i.e. GSM voice, 3g, and wifi.  (I guess bluetooth doesn't count)18:55
mgedminif you have 3g, why gsm?18:55
mgedmin3g can have simultaneous voice + data18:55
solrizeoh ok18:55
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DocScrutinizer51we are hools we're o'right...18:55
achipasolrize: well, no non-touchscreen Nseries in sight, so...18:55
solrizethe idea is you're using the net connection while someone calls you on the phone18:55
chem|stfor what reason do I want 3G if wifi is available?18:56
jacekowskisolrize: you can have data and calls at the same time18:56
jacekowskisolrize: if your terminal supports it18:56
mgedminchem|st, joikuspot?18:56
jacekowskisolrize: most of high end nokia phones do18:56
solrizechemist your wifi may not be connected to the internet18:56
achipachem|st: tethering ?18:56
mgedmini.e. share your 3g with friends18:56
DocScrutinizer51mgedmin: gsm can as well18:56
chem|stah the other way round18:56
chem|stwell for that case18:56
mgedminDocScrutinizer: AFAIK witk GSM+GPRS/EDGE it's either voice or data, but not both at the same time18:57
mgedmin[citation needed]18:57
flailingmonkeythats the whole benefit of 3G, simultaneous voice+data connections18:57
chem|stmgedmin: voice and data is the same in case of voip18:57
DocScrutinizer51N900 Lq/2 tech specs18:57
GAN900mgedmin, yes.18:57
mgedminVoIP is cheating ;)18:57
chem|stmgedmin: no SIP is cheating18:57
flailingmonkeybut if you are stuck on GPRS or EDGE, you can only have voice OR data18:57
GAN900flailingmonkey, well, that, faster speeds and more battery sales. ;)18:58
DocScrutinizer51flailingmonkey: nope18:58
* chem|st managed to have a clear conversation over EDGE while browsing... and voip isnt cheating18:58
trip0that's what she said18:59
DocScrutinizer51N900 can do EDGE + call18:59
flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer51: I would be very interested in that, as I am using AT&T so no 3G at all18:59
DocScrutinizer51see L1/2 RF tech spec18:59
DocScrutinizer51maybe L3/419:00
mgedminokay, wikipedia tells me GPRS Class A devices _can_ be connectet to GPRS and GSM and use both at the same time19:00
DocScrutinizer51it's mentioned as a feature19:00
mgedminI assume class B phones are just more popular19:00
flailingmonkeyhow would I go about doing that then?19:01
SpeedEvilAs I understand it, you need two radios for GPRS+GSM19:01
chem|stmgedmin: my sony 880 did do it and thats a cheap bitch19:01
DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: why?19:01
DocScrutinizer51esp for GSM TDMA19:01
SpeedEvilI may be wrong19:02
DocScrutinizer51you can use one TX/RX for multiple slots19:02
SpeedEvilI haven't read it closely19:02
flailingmonkeyso is the GPRS data connection indicator misleading when I send/get texts or make calls?19:03
Corsacaiui the phone *and* the network has to support/allow it19:03
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DocScrutinizer51flailingmonkey: in which way?19:05
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flailingmonkeyit shows an icon with a strike through the symbol, and some apps show a message that the data connection is interrupted (or something like that)19:07
flailingmonkeybtw, if they did put meego on a arm11 chipset, they could actually put meego on the N97 :-p19:08
DocScrutinizer51hmm, never seen that. Anyway this feature needs support from carrier side as well19:08
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DocScrutinizer51yeah. sorry I frequently get confused with this insane arm numbering19:09
DocScrutinizer51worse than intel19:09
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GAN900DocScrutinizer51, I think it's better than Intel at least19:17
GAN900It mostly goes in order19:17
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flailingmonkeythen theres the Cortex stuff, A819:18
GAN900Well, use the full name. :P19:18
GAN900Cortex A8, ARM1119:18
flailingmonkeyah, but19:19
flailingmonkeycortex-a8 is based on ARMv719:19
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GAN900Core, Core 2, Core i*, Pentium 4, Pentium, etc.19:20
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GAN900flailingmonkey, it's not based on armv7, it uses the armv7 instruction set19:20
flailingmonkeyARM11 chips, are based on ARMv6 architecture19:20
mgedminhow not-confusing-at-all19:20
GAN900and don't capitalizae the instruction set19:20
GAN900makes it less confusing19:21
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flailingmonkeyjust using what is in the big table on wikipedia19:21
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flailingmonkeyooo, Cortex-A9 gets out-of-order speculative issue superscalar19:23
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GAN900A9 is nice19:32
GAN900I'd love an A9 in a mobile device19:32
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humehi... I'm having problems with skype on my N900 - am I supposed to be able to do video calls on skype?19:33
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flailingmonkeyapparently Tegra 2 is based on A919:33
E0xhume: yes19:33
flailingmonkeyI look forward to having ARM laptop19:34
E0xhume: when you have a contact of skype that have video settings enable19:34
E0xthey will show you a video call option19:34
E0xyour contact need have video options/settings enable19:35
E0xin they side19:35
humeok...let me check, change computer and be back19:35
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DocScrutinizer51mhm, nightmode is a bit strange. fixed focus19:38
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: did you ota upgrade?19:38
E0xwhen i hear about nightmode i think that was a mode that enable19:38
E0xflash led19:38
E0xis ok how is but i don't like the frame rate drp19:38
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E0x( i am mean video recording )19:39
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humehi again... where on the N900 is that video option to be found?19:39
humein Skype19:39
DocScrutinizer51the framerate drop is the whole trick19:39
E0xhume: select you contact19:39
E0xand will have skype video option19:39
humeI only have Skype call.. no Skype video call. is there another option somewhere?19:40
DocScrutinizer51I actually did *two* uprades in series now, it seems. To 1.1.1 then to 1.219:41
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DocScrutinizer51now just need to revisit wiki about how to nuke that infamous pending SMS19:42
flailingmonkeyah, yeah you would need 1.1.1 first19:42
E0xhume: i am out to lunch righ now when i get back i will show you a screenshot19:43
flailingmonkeybtw, dell selling N900s for $37019:43
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humeok, thx19:43
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DocScrutinizer51ok the EUR isn't what it used to be19:44
DocScrutinizer51but still19:44
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GAN900DocScrutinizer51, if you didn't hand all of your money over to the government, you wouldn't have to pay so much. :P19:46
DocScrutinizer51hhm yep19:46
GAN900Sales tax isn't included in the price, either19:48
GAN900So depending on your state and local laws, local tax rates and who you're doing business with, you may have to pay between 5 and 10% tax.19:49
luke-jrN900 has no case???19:49
luke-jror I just didn't get one? XD19:49
mgedminno case for N90019:50
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mgedminalso no spare stylus19:50
mgedminI was kinda bummed about that19:50
luke-jrhume: I recall reading somewhere that it only works with the latest version of Skype19:50
solrize369.99, wow, a big reduction, n9 must be on its way ;)19:50
mgedminbut the exquisite joy of holding a N900 in my hands overwhelmed that bum19:51
GAN900solrize, not before October.19:51
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solrizeGAN900, heh, that probably means not before 2011 ;)19:51
solrizewow, newegg has it for 42019:52
humeluke-jr, latest on the N900 or the callers version?19:52
luke-jrhume: both19:52
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luke-jrPR 1.2 for N90019:52
Klioi control version python on my n900, it is 2.5, are there update version?19:53
GAN900DocScrutinizer51, for me here in Florida, it's 7% on any sale that's not non-prepared food, a bible, or a variety of other exempt items if you're buying in-state or mailorder through a company that's incorporated in the state of Florida.19:53
luke-jrthey make an exception for a Bible specifically?19:53
humeluke-jr, how do I update to latest on the N900? program manager says nothing about availbale updates, at least not skype-related19:54
luke-jrhume: grab the firmware image, flasher, and reinstall over USB?19:54
humeluke-jr, uhg... is there a page with good instructions on how to NOT lose all my settings and programs? haven't done that on the N900 before19:55
luke-jrno idea19:55
mgedminhume, maemo wiki has something19:55
mgedminhume, I prefer over-the-air updates; less hassle19:56
humemgedmin, over-the-air?19:56
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mgedminhume, if you're not offered an OS upgrade in the app installer, maybe you already have the latest firmware?19:56
MOUDHey all19:56
humemgedmin, i udated through the app installer (program manager) a few weeks ago....?19:56
mgedminhume, control panel -> about device will show you the version (or osso-product-info in xterm)19:57
lcukmgedmin, hows tricks19:57
mgedmin(it's Settings and About product, actually)19:57
mgedminlatest is version 10.2010.19-119:58
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mgedminincidentally, skype video didn't work for me when I tried it19:58
GAN900luke-jr, yeah, dating from the height of the cold war.19:58
MOUDI have Eyes widget but it's fixed on the left upper corner of the screen and I can't move it, how can I move to another position? I have the maemo PR1.219:59
humemgedmin, so, I have the latest19:59
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mgedminMOUD, you can drag it around when in "desktop maintenance" mode (what is it called officially? anyway), it's just very difficult to grab it since it's so small20:00
mgedminthe stylus helps somewhat20:00
MOUDmgedmin: I used it before but after the maemo update it won't move20:01
mgedminyou're right!20:01
humeanother question: I have problems with synchronizing google calendar. Using the exchange server sync stuff. It works for a while, and the syncs starts to fail. And I have to empty the calendar on the N900 and start all over again. Anyone got advice on how to solve this?20:01
mgedminMOUD, no, it moves all right20:02
mgedminjust managed it20:02
MOUDmgedmin: strange. I will reinstall it20:02
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Kliomaemo repository extra devel: what is address?20:05
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lcukklio everything you need is on the page:
Kliolcuk:  thx20:07
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Gizmokid2005aww, there's no way to see if a phone number exists in your Maemo contacts is there?20:09
RST38hmoo all20:09
Klio    *  deb fremantle free non-free20:09
Klio    * deb-src fremantle free20:09
flailingmonkeyhume: afaik using the built-in Mail for Exchange with google isn't a supported feature. it may/may not work, but it would need changes to accomidate the changes google made20:09
Klioi must paste all20:10
Klioor i can put only one20:10
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yes - 1.0->1.1->1.1.1->1.220:10
flailingmonkeysomeone was working on a syncing solution for google calenders and more, Erming-NG20:10
GAN900flailingmonkey, call your phone from said number? :P20:10
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luke-jrany way to get N900 to prefer SIP for calls, rather than Cellular?20:11
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Gizmokid2005nobody? :(20:13
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RST38hMoo, GAN900, seen the news about N-series? :)20:14
GAN900RST38h, all MeeGo (sometime in 2013)?20:15
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Klio fremantle free non-free error not found20:21
luke-jrRST38h: ?20:21
Klioerror 40420:21
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luke-jrOvi Maps looks real flickery if I remain stationary XD20:23
Kliohow i can control firmware?20:24
Surfacontrol what?20:25
SpeedEvilIt's just like how you can shot web.20:25
Kliofirmware PR 1.2:20:25
Mymohow can i*20:25
luke-jrKlio: you can't20:25
Surfawhat are you talking about?20:25
Klio not found20:26
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Surfaand that's related to controlling of firmware how? and what are you meaning by control?20:26
Mymomaybe install20:26
Klioi want add repository extra20:27
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Kliobut i have error20:27
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SurfaMymo, maybe? maybe not20:28
Mymolol maybe20:28
Mymoso does n900 has voice command thingy? like when u want to call someone and say his name and the phone dial the number20:30
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GAN900Feel free to implement one, though.20:33
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RST38hGAN: No, some big corpse said that N8 is the last N-series device with Symbian20:35
Mymobelieve me if I know how, I would be working on it right now20:35
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RST38hGAN: I guess he is in the dungeon now, being whacked with Symbian app development specification printouts20:36
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MacerRST38h: so does that mean maemo is going go take center stage?20:45
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Maceror whatever they are going to call it?20:46
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RST38hMacer: No, it just means the maemo camp is trying another frontal attack20:50
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Turksanyone alive now?21:04
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flailingmonkeythey've got their faces painted black, orange and gray21:04
Turksthat sucks21:04
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kojackerHello out there, you crazy cats, would someone like to talk about money with me?21:08
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kojackerim just going to start talking in the hope that someone might respond to me..21:09
lcukkojacker, sure, you want my paypal so you can send me samples so i can investigate what you mean21:10
kojackeryou may be aware of the Maemo coding competition - - we have $423 pledged as a bounty21:10
kojackerno free samples!21:10
lcukthats ok, are you who i asked about where to pay the money to21:10
kojackerwhat i need is ideas how to split that bounty up into prizes for winners21:10
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* lcuk pledged $5021:11
kojackercould be, at the moment we're still waiting and hoping their might be a maemo paypal account coming along.. it's a bit quiet on that front21:11
lcukbut was told there was noone organised to take it21:11
* lcuk then got back on with work21:11
kojackeri'l be very pleased to take it off your hands soon :P21:11
GAN900RST38h, yeah, that's what I meant (insert "Nseries" . . . )21:12
lcukwell you will have to get behind other people :p ive been on holiday since you declined21:12
kojackerdeclined? hmm?21:12
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kojackeranyway.. what Im asking is what would be the best way to split up any winnings.21:13
luke-jrtranslation: you have $37321:13
GAN900Neither particularly surprising or very meaningful except in the short term.21:13
E0xkojacker: split it ?but how much winner are ?21:13
E0x3 ?21:13
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kojackerok, consider yourself removed from the bounty list lcuk. I'd still appreciate your opinion on this though21:13
lcuki didnt mean that!21:14
* lcuk will honour his pledge 21:14
kojackerwe started with 6 categories, which in hindsight is quite a lot21:14
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kojackerif we had 1st 2nd and 3rd prizes, then that'd be 3*6=18.. it kinda cuts into the pot a lot and everyone would get little21:14
kojackerthanks lcuk!21:15
lcukkojacker, once you sort out where it needs to go, drop me a PM or mail and ill happily push it to it21:15
E0x423/6 = 7021:15
kojackeri was thinking a top 10 or something like that?21:15
E0xdivide the price just for the best of eatch categorie21:15
luke-jrkojacker: 70% to 1st, 20% to 2nd, 10% to 3rd ?21:15
luke-jrthat means $49 to each 1st place right now21:15
kojackerthe best of each category is already getting a trip to dublin, flight and accom paid by Nokia.. or a n900 if they prefer21:15
luke-jr$14 to 2nd, $7 to 3rd21:16
kojackerso maybe we could spread the bounty out a bit more to everyone else21:16
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luke-jrkojacker: does Nokia get the passport for us too? :P21:16
E0xthe best of eatch categories dont get money price from the 423$ ?21:16
kojackerluke-jr, they may be able to squeeze you into a cardboard box with a n900 shipment :P21:16
E0xjust price the 1st and 2nd place21:17
luke-jrkojacker: how about 1/4 to 2nd, 1/4 of remaining to 3rd, and so on?21:17
kojackerthese are all good ideas, appreciate the suggestions :)21:17
kojackeri was thinking maybe taking the top 3 of each category, and putting those 18 towards a vote for the top 10.. and splitting it out that way..21:18
luke-jr$17, $13, $10, $7, $5, $4, $3, $2, $2, $1, $1, $1, $121:18
E0xkojacker: better21:18
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kojacker$1 is probably cost more in paypal fees than what the recipient gets :)21:18
kojackerkinda a token prize21:19
luke-jrso maybe 50% each place21:19
luke-jr$35, $17, $9, $4, $2, $1, $121:19
E0xkojacker: btw they have already the winners ?21:19
luke-jrand/or if it's < $5, they don't get it? XD21:19
kojackerlol i would be lynched if they dont get it :)21:19
flailingmonkey why not give no $ to21:20
flailingmonkey1st place?21:20
kojackerE0x, nope no winners yet. It goes on until July 21st... feel free to join!21:20
luke-jrwhen 50% drops under $5, the remaining goes to "best of the top 6"?21:20
flailingmonkeylol, first place winners don't need cash, if they really want some they can sell the N900 from Nokia21:20
E0xkojacker: ok , i think just price the 1st place of eatch categorie21:20
flailingmonkeythen just give money to 2nd and 3rd place winners21:21
kojackerflailingmonkey, there's one trip (ie 1 person) for each 1st place.. im thinking if there's a team that wins then we'd need a bit of bounty to split up there21:21
luke-jrthat would be $57 to the best of all, then to each 2nd place $35, 3rd=$17,4th=$921:21
flailingmonkeysince they don't get anything else21:21
kojackerdam.. my maths sucks21:21
luke-jrkojacker: basically, first split the $423 / 6 ways = $70.521:22
luke-jrthen each 2nd place gets 50% of that = $3521:22
luke-jr(rounded down)21:22
E0xmaybe put some news about it in the home page to get more founding21:22
E0xfrom the ppl21:23
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luke-jrthat leaves $36 remaining per category21:23
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flailingmonkeymhm, a summary of entered apps, with descriptions too21:23
luke-jr3rd place gets 50% of that = $1721:23
luke-jrleaving $1921:23
luke-jr4th place gets 50% of that = $921:23
luke-jrleaving $1021:23
luke-jrwhich half of is only $5, so the prizes end21:24
luke-jr$5 * 6 categories = $30 remaining21:24
luke-jrwhich goes to a new round of competition: best of the 6 winners21:24
luke-jrI think I messed up the math somewhere in there tho-- the last # *was* $57 when I calculated it before21:24
luke-jrah, it's because remaining was $9 each category21:25
kojackerflailingmonkey, it's not quite what you're after but you can see some of the apps on the wiki
kojackerluke-jr, i have no idea what you wrote but it looks good to me lol21:26
kojackerso from the start, are you including 1st place shares in your calcs21:27
kojackeryou start off with the 423 then divide by 6, and take 50% for the 2nd places..21:27
flailingmonkeykojacker: then put a link to that page in a blog post that goes on planet, or a new talk thread21:27
SpeedEvilI suggest there is only one rational way round this.21:27
SpeedEvilA prize to create a system for awarding prizes.21:27
flailingmonkeySpeedEvil: it would win 1st place21:28
luke-jrkojacker: no, 1st place per category gets nothing with this system21:28
kojackerSpeedEvil, I will award a virtual cookie21:28
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luke-jronly 1st place overall21:28
kojackerah ok21:28
luke-jrbut you could start with 1st instead of 2nd too21:28
kojackerflailingmonkey, there's a link to the wiki on the development thread sticky21:28
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luke-jrso it'd be 1st=$35, 2nd=$17, 3rd=$921:29
kojacker$9 looks crummy though21:29
luke-jrand then 1st-overall=$57 (more)21:29
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luke-jrso increase the bounty ;P21:29
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Natanaielafter booting meego on my N900 I only see a black screen!21:30
kojackeri already got $50 and 3 lazer cut stands in the bounty :P Im just a poor man, my back is old and bent, my legs are red and ... bent21:30
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SpeedEvilAre the laser cut stands also bent?21:32
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kojackerhopefully not, if i package them well enough21:32
ZuccaOk... I just read something I cannot belive just yet... N900's USB port is USBotg capable? True?21:33
kojackerso is anyone here entering the competition? Everyone welcome, beginners, punks, crazies, the hamish21:33
SpeedEvilZucca: no21:34
SpeedEvilZucca: It may be able to be switched into host mode - there is a project underway to get this working.21:34
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ZuccaSpeedEvil: Ok. Does this mean that it cannot provide power to it's "slaves"?21:35
SpeedEvilYes, it can provide power.21:36
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ZuccaOk. What's the difference then to USBotg?21:36
SpeedEvilBut it can't be OTG - OTG is to hostmode as pizza is to cheese21:36
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b-manvegetarian pizza can have no cheese.. xD21:37
ZuccaMeaning what? You need set the port to host mode before inserting device? It cannot regonize slaves automatically?21:38
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E0xZucca: something like that will be needed21:39
ZuccaIt's great news anyways. :)21:39
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kojackervegan, b-man, this vegetarian is eating pleeeeeenty of cheese right now.21:39
E0xi am not sure yet what is the different betewen OTG and generic host mode21:39
flailingmonkeyOTG is a system that allows two devices to negotiate who should be the host21:40
SpeedEvilZucca: meaning that for host mode - plugging stuff into the n900 - OTG isn't needed21:40
SpeedEvilZucca: OTG cannot be used on the n900 - the hardware is missing21:40
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flailingmonkeygeneric host mode will involve running some script, which then prepares the N900 to act as host, and when a device is plugged in it works21:41
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flailingmonkeyIF there was OTG, you could just plug the device in and it would figure things out21:41
flailingmonkeythe N900 can provide power to a USB device in either case21:42
chadiMy widgets and shortcuts on the home screen are not clickable. How can I know what app is causing that problem? It usually happens after a phone call.21:42
chadiI tap them, it's as if they do not exist21:42
E0xflailingmonkey: maybe something automatimagic can be dont using hal21:43
chadiany idea? this is really annoying, and the only workaround is to reboot.21:43
ZuccaSpeedEvil: host mode is enough for me. :) Unfortunately charging the devide at the same time may be hard/impossible.21:43
SpeedEvilZucca: Charging is irrelevant21:43
SpeedEvilZucca: you need a special cable is all21:43
E0xhal+udev , but you will need make your own rulz for that21:43
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SpeedEvilIt's currently looking like it'll be an app or a toolbar widget to set hostmode21:44
ZuccaToolbar widget would be nice.21:44
E0xtoolbar widget21:44
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SpeedEvilBut this is all irrelevant21:45
SpeedEvilthat's the easy part that lots of people can do21:45
SpeedEvilthe harder part is working out the kernel driver, and stuff to get it working reliably21:45
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flailingmonkeyE0x: udev/hal wouldn't work, because those events are only triggered when a device is detected. and USB devices are only detected if you are in hostmode :)21:47
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flailingmonkeyZucca: charging in hostmode is possible, but I don't know about fast charge (500mA)21:48
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SpeedEvilThe charger hardware is completely seperate from the USB host hardware21:49
SpeedEvilThe USB hardware may care about if there is 5V on the USB port, but it can't care - or even know - which way rund the cunt is flowing.21:49
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Zuccaflailingmonkey: It is enough for me if the device can run without battery running empty. My some kind of dream is to have a "USB docking station" for my N900. ;)21:52
SpeedEvilIn principle, that'spossible.21:52
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SpeedEvilIndeed, someone has already demonstrated SB displaylink adaptor21:52
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flailingmonkeyeasiest way to use USB in host mode is to use the cable that comes with the N900 and put a female-to-female adapter onto the end21:55
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SpeedEvilyes - once it's setup21:56
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Dassu:/ What do you guys think about that fact that YouTube Chose to use h264 instead of theora on their html5 implementation?21:57
chadican I power the n900 only from the power without battery?21:57
SpeedEvilchadi: no21:58
chadiSpeedEvil: any reason for that choice by nokia?21:58
SpeedEvilDassu: It enrages me to the point that Ihave killed 14 google employees, and one burger king employee.21:58
SpeedEvilchadi: I'munsure it's a choice - it may simply be not catering to it. All options are not free.21:59
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chadiok thanks22:01
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flailingmonkeychadi: to create a system that can run directly from DC input without a battery means an increase in circuit complexity22:02
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flailingmonkeyalso, I've never had a phone that can run without the battery, only laptops22:03
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chadican't I get a DC source with 3.7V and plug it in the place of the battery sockets?22:03
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SpeedEvilchadi: sure22:06
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SpeedEvilchadi: It needs to produce ~2A pulses though22:07
chadithen i won't worry about it :P22:07
flailingmonkeythere is hardware detection to make sure the battery is functioning properly, and isn't going to explode and such22:07
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SpeedEvilThere really isn't22:08
SpeedEvilIt's prettty much all done in software22:08
flailingmonkeyorly? interesting22:08
SpeedEvil- with the hardware battery charger being limited by design to not too harmful maximumvoltages, by the choice of chip.22:08
chadiby checking its temperature?22:09
SpeedEvilThere isn't a temperature measurement device in the battery22:09
SpeedEvilonly on the motherboard22:09
chadiumm ok22:09
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SpeedEvilWell - there are several on the motherboard22:10
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jacekowskiSpeedEvil: well, it looks like bme isn't reading temperature at all22:48
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: just on startup22:48
jacekowskiSpeedEvil: but that's maybe because i was looking when there was no charger connected22:48
solrizeit would be really useful to be able to run without a battery since that means you could hot-swap batteries22:51
ShadowJKI think some EE should take a look at the graphs in the charger's spec to make a guess if N900 could handle that power raw22:54
ShadowJKthen if we can convince the charger to not shut down when it detects battery is missing, and put N900 into a state with predictable, steady, non-zero power draw..22:54
jacekowskii think charger switches off when it detects any problem with battery22:55
jacekowskiand i doubt it can be overriden22:55
jacekowskiesspecialy that it would be hard to keep voltage stable22:55
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: nope. no bat != prpblem in chrg pov22:56
ShadowJKWell basic premise is that the charger can't distinguish system load from battery22:56
ShadowJKAnd we can disable the normal charge termination also22:56
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ZuccaIs there cfdisk for maemo?22:57
ShadowJKBut the battery has an important role in smoothing out what comes from the charger chip, and that's what I'd worry about22:58
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DocScrutinizer51that should be ok22:58
DocScrutinizer51modem spikes kill22:58
jacekowskispikes kill modem22:58
jacekowskikill modem spikes22:58
jacekowskimodem kill spikes22:59
jacekowskikill spikes modem22:59
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Arkenoidoes mussrogsky support freedb?23:00
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ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, that PWM charging waveform on p8 could be handled by the capacitors in N900?23:01
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flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer51: pretty dead on h-e-n mailing list. anything happening now that you a dev device?23:04
flailingmonkeys/you/you have/23:04
infobotflailingmonkey meant: DocScrutinizer51: pretty dead on h-e-n mailing list. anything happening now that you have a dev device?23:04
DocScrutinizer51I hope so23:04
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DocScrutinizer51plan to start a few initiatives this week23:04
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flailingmonkeyI am excited to see development of a hostmode driver, now that people seem to realize that, no, trying to bend OTG state machine into a knot is not a great approach23:09
solrizeusb hostmode will be useful especially if there is a tiny battery-powered hub to go with it23:10
solrizethere is also some problem with running the wifi in infrastructure mode right?23:10
GAN900What problem?23:11
solrizeGAN900, i heard that infrastructure mode didn't work, so if you wanted to use your n900 as a hot spot, you had to use ad hoc mode and reset it every 10 minutes or something like htat23:11
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solrizewhy do 3g phones have higher download speeds than upload?  either direction uses the same amount of air bandwidth23:13
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GAN900That's not infra23:14
GAN900that's master23:14
nidOessentially the same reason adsl has higher download than upload despite using the same bit of cable.23:14
N900killaso looks like nokia's going with meego for nseries23:15
N900killasymbian for low end23:15
SpeedEvilHow official is this announcement?23:15
N900killagodod! i say23:15
GAN900SpeedEvil, seems pretty official.23:15
N900killaright from the horses mouth mate23:16
solrizethe impression i had was nokia wanted to switch to m*o for all but low end phones, but found symbian was (for now) still working better, so n8 is running symbian23:16
solrizedroid x looks like awesome hardware, too bad it's running android :P23:16
E0xandroid is a good OS23:17
GAN900If you don't mind Java and Google's evilness.23:17
N900killasolrize: got it wrong mate. Meego was for high end not low end. symbian will be on low end23:17
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nidOhe never said meego would be low end23:17
SpeedEvilsybian will have a place for a while.23:18
N900killathen wtf is m*o ???23:18
flailingmonkeynot seeing any official references on that article23:18
nidOm*o is meego/maemo but re-read what he said.23:18
N900killan8 is the last symbian nseries23:18
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luke-jrE0x: Android is garbage23:19
N900killabut that russian dude is saying this is all bushit and there will be more symbian nseries23:19
flailingmonkeyhe said "for all BUT low end phone"23:19
N900killadont know who to trusxt23:20
solrizesomeone on #symbian says m*o's UI is touchscreen dependent so non-touchscreen phones have to stay with symbian unless there's big rewrite23:20
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N900killarewrites dont work well23:20
luke-jrMaemo needs a rewrite anyway23:20
flailingmonkeythere is only one sentence claiming N8 is last symbian, and no references to back it up23:21
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luke-jrespecially if MeeGo is going to be a phone platform23:21
luke-jrMaemo was never meant for phones23:21
N900killabut its on cnet - they aint bullshiters no?23:21
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SpeedEvilWe should start with a cutting-edge ncurses GUI.23:21
GAN900MeeGo isn't a phone platform23:21
ZuccaAnyone else have problems mounting N900's MicroSD card on Linux. I only can mount MyDocs But /media/mmc1 doesn't appear. MyDocs appear as /dev/sdc on my laptop (should it be /dev/sdc1 ?).23:21
GAN900It's a mobile computer platform, in part.23:22
flailingmonkeyZucca, it just worked for me23:22
N900killathats the cool thing about meemo... its a computer first23:22
flailingmonkeylol, cnet will print anything23:22
N900killai thought they was always good....cnet23:23
luke-jrZucca: what?23:23
luke-jrN900killa: why would you want a computer platform on a phone?23:23
N900killan900 aint a phone23:24
Zuccaflailingmonkey: I can access it by starting sshd on N900 and then mounting the whole N900 filesystem via sshfs on my laptop, but that's not very user friendly.23:24
solrizen900 is a tiny laptop with radios23:24
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flailingmonkeyN900killa: cnet isn't bad, but without any references, its just a rumor they have started23:24
Zuccaluke-jr: Just waht I said. I cannot acces /dev/mmc1 via usb. :|23:25
N900killai know, they say they heard it from horses mouth23:25
luke-jrso why wouldn't Symbian continue to be used on phones?23:25
flailingmonkeyZucca: yeah, when I plug in the N900 by usb to my linux laptop, and choose USB Storage Device, both the MyDocs and the mmc show up23:25
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luke-jrZucca: why would you expect to?23:25
Zuccaluke-jr: Because it normally should.23:26
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Zuccaluke-jr: read what flailingmonkey said.23:26
flailingmonkeyto be clear, I really mean the microSD, NOT the eMMC23:27
ZuccaThis is prehaps the only thing that works here on windows but doesn't on linux. :P23:27
DocScrutinizer51the maemo=highend, symbian=featurephone policy realy isn't any news23:27
ZuccaYes. MicroSD.23:27
jacekowskiZucca: reboot your phone23:27
jacekowskiZucca: if something is accessing it then it might not make it avaliable over usb23:27
Zuccajacekowski: It hasn't worked even if I reboot.23:28
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ZuccaAh... Hm.23:28
jacekowskisomething is wrong with your pc then23:28
solrizethey just made a new s60 v3 phone, the e523:28
jacekowskiswitch your phone off23:28
jacekowskiand connect it23:28
ZuccaI have closed all the apps. And I have even unmounted it. So nothing's accessing to it.23:28
N900killawhere are the usb host dudes....they seem to disapeear from tmo ???23:28
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SpeedEvilN900killa: Becaus the discussion on there is not especially helpful.23:28
jacekowskiN900killa: they are still there23:29
flailingmonkeyhiding, to perform their black magicks23:29
SpeedEvilN900killa: We all know that USB host is cool.23:29
N900killabut why no helpful ???23:29
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SpeedEvilN900killa: Having person after person pop up and ask the same questions as have been answered earlier in the thread is totally unhelpful.23:29
jacekowskiN900killa: because people that are posting there know fuck all about n900/usb/programmin/linux kernel23:29
N900killathey was talking about it and they got shut down23:29
flailingmonkeythey have a mailing list that they use to develop23:29
N900killabut tmo is not just for linux freaks no?23:30
DocScrutinizer51N900killa: btw some unknown dude joerg posted this night23:30
flailingmonkeythe tmo thread was filling up with people not reading the whole 100 page thread and mostly just saying I want this!23:30
jacekowskiflailingmonkey: do you expect anybody to read 100 pages?23:30
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Zuccajacekowski: If I unmount /media/mmc1 then plug my N900 usinf mass storage mode then unplug N900 --> /media/mmc1 is mounted again. And yes, it's propably something wrong with my system then. It's just strange that any other mass storage that has been partitioned acts fine when plugged. O.o23:31
jef91Anyone here use sygic maps on the n900?23:31
MiXu-jef91: yeah23:31
jacekowskiZucca: because n900 is behaving differently to all storage devices23:32
jef91Any idea how to update the maps on it?23:32
jef91Or does it do it on it's own?23:32
jacekowskiZucca: it's presenting itself with two medias23:32
flailingmonkeyjacekowski: YES!23:32
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: the 'keep this yhread for dev, there's another one for general discussion' was on every of the last 10 p though23:32
Zuccajacekowski: Ok. That's why...23:32
MiXu-jef91: I don't think there are updates yet. It's pretty new.23:32
jacekowskiZucca: so if you switch off your phone23:32
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jacekowskiZucca: and connect it with cable23:32
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jacekowskiZucca: and it doesn't work23:32
Zuccajacekowski: So then my microSD should appear as /dev/sdd...23:32
jacekowskiZucca: something like that23:33
MiXu-And I don't know what's sygic's policy on updates. You might have to pay for them.23:33
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ZuccaLet's try...23:33
jacekowskiZucca: just type dmesg after you connect it23:33
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jacekowskiand you can see what's happening23:33
jacekowskii'm going to be sick23:33
jacekowski3rd time in this year already23:34
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flailingmonkeyN900killa: they didn't get shutdown, they moved so they could focus and not have to re-explain OTG vs hostmode for the thousandth time23:34
jef91Mixu- hrm thats odd23:34
MiXu-jef91: Why odd?23:34
DrGrovA offtopic Macbook question.23:35
DrGrovCan I keep the Macbook charging even after I shut it down?23:35
jacekowskiDrGrov: sell it23:35
jef91Well maps change all the time23:35
jef91most map programs update them23:35
jef91or allow you to23:35
jacekowskiDrGrov: oO?23:35
DrGrovjacekowski: unfortunately I can not sell it since it is my fiancees macbook23:35
jef91to adjust to changing things23:35
jacekowskiDrGrov: get rid of her and sell it23:36
jacekowskijef91: ask sygic23:36
jef91DrGrov +1 for jacekowski23:36
MiXu-jef91: The last one I had updated like once a year23:36
jacekowskiDrGrov: it will save you lot of money23:36
SpeedEvilYou can't just get rid of people and sell their stuff.23:36
SpeedEvilWell - unless you have developed a filesystem.23:36
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DrGrovjef91: who the fuck are you to judge me?23:36
DrGrovjef91: but yes, i do understand the irony in that statement :)23:36
jacekowskistop fucking swearing23:37
DrGrovjacekowski: yes, i will stop fucking swearing23:37
DrGrovjacekowski: but seriously now... i can still keep it charging with the wall charger even though it is turned off? i mean it will perhaps tell me once it is fully charged.23:38
jacekowskiwell, normall laptops keep charging after you switch them off23:38
DrGrovFuck fuck fuck... I had it with this Macbook23:38
jacekowskii'm kinda surprised that macbook isn't23:38
flailingmonkeyyeah, it will charge23:38
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DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: you really think reisserfs helps on the issue?23:38
DrGrovGod damn this devil Macbook!23:39
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Zuccajacekowski: No sign of /dev/sdd :|23:39
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jacekowskiDrGrov: try asking on #mac23:39
jacekowskiDrGrov: don't mention me or you will get banned23:39
jacekowskii caused lot of mischief there23:39
DrGrovjacekowski: yeah, i will do that. no, i will not. i do hate mac, it is like anthrax for my blood.23:39
MiXu-meant to say "lol"23:39
jacekowskiDrGrov: something is seriously wrong with that picture23:40
jacekowskiDrGrov: not for you23:40
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: orly? can't believe it :-p23:40
jacekowskiZucca: that was for you23:40
DrGrovjacekowski: yes, perhaps so. you are seeing the picture in front of you?23:40
jacekowskiZucca: what does lsusb say23:40
ZuccaShows only one device. :E23:41
DrGrovjacekowski: quite gruesome eh?23:41
tremnite alll, sweet dreams23:41
DrGrovI told my fiancee not to buy a Mac but no. She wanted and craved for it so bloody have it then!23:41
MiXu-Install windows on it23:41
DrGrovMiXu-: nooooo! windows is even worse for me than os x.23:41
sx0n|homei like osx23:42
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sx0n|homenever had one, but they have nice pictures on site23:42
jacekowskiZucca: it should detect something23:42
jacekowskiZucca: i mean - empty device23:42
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jacekowskiZucca: but it's not detecting anything23:42
DrGrovjacekowski: perhaps just because you made fun out of me i should actually go to #mac and tell that you are the person responsible for sending me on a anti-mac crusade23:42
DocScrutinizercould we switch to something more on topic? e.g Germany 123:42
Zuccajacekowski: First I bet that it was hal that's messing things up, but then if lsusb doesn't show anything...23:42
ZuccaI really out of ideas here. :|23:43
jacekowskiZucca: try switching off your phone23:43
jacekowskiZucca: and connect it like that23:43
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: of course dear lord. :) sorry for my mischief behaviour23:43
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Zuccajacekowski: I did. Nothing happens.23:43
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DrGrovTomorrow my sole purpose is to watch Italy destroy Slovakia and get drunk since my holiday starts23:44
Zucca\o/ Vacation. Tomorrow!23:44
jacekowskii'm going to eat something23:44
DrGrovI got myself a nice 6, almost 7, week vacation23:44
jacekowskiand then probably sleep23:45
ZuccaMee too.23:45
jacekowskigood night everyone23:45
DrGrovgood night jacekowski23:45
jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: you seem - i'm trying to be nice now23:45
infobotjacekowski meant: DocScrutinizer51: you see - i'm trying to be nice now23:45
DrGrovjacekowski: just because you go now i will not forget how you treated me regarding the Macbook23:45
ZuccaI think I just repartition my SD card with card reader. I just hate to open N900 backpanel...23:45
DocScrutinizerjacekowski: :-D23:45
DrGrovjacekowski: ;)23:45
DocScrutinizeractually even insanefaka err n900XXXX is amazingly easy to digest today23:46
DocScrutinizermuch appreciated23:47
flailingmonkeywait, you partitioned you mircoSD card?23:47
flailingmonkeythats why23:47
DocScrutinizerYEAH :-P bingo23:47
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flailingmonkeyZucca, reformat the microSD card, no partitioning should be done...23:48
DocScrutinizerthough partitioning in itself seems not the showstopper. A non-VFAT 1st partition is, though23:48
flailingmonkeyor fix the export script :-p23:48
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ZuccaIs there some easy to use partitioning app for maemo then?23:49
DocScrutinizerI got a uSD16G here with 12G VFAT 1.; 3.5G ext3; and a swap. It just works23:49
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DocScrutinizerfor the VFAT partition23:49
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, germany won!23:49
DrGrovThe macbook is charging as I predicted. Eventually the green light will go on when it is fully charged. My fiancee hates when I use her stuff and the battery is low.23:49
MohammadAG51bolt that door23:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: [2010-06-23 22:42:54] <DocScrutinizer> could we switch to something more on topic? e.g Germany 123:50
DocScrutinizeryeah, they fired crackers and drive around honking and vovozeling23:50
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, I just logged on, how do you expect me to see that :D23:50
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: that's why I copied it just for you :-D23:51
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DrGrovGermany - England on Sunday then as the early game23:51
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, aww, sanks :D23:51
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DrGrovDie Deutsche mannschaft ist ser gut :)23:52
DrGrovOr something remotely close to that statement. Forgive my poor German skills23:52
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MohammadAG51The datch mannshaft is very good?23:52
MohammadAG51idk german btw23:52
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DrGrovThe German troops are good23:52
DrGrovOr the German squad is good23:52
MohammadAG51i was close :D23:52
DrGrovYes, close :)23:52
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DocScrutinizerLerry leiks to dress up funny. Tonite he is dressed up leik Frenk Sappa. Letz ask him WATZ ZEDEEEL23:53
DrGrovI do not know why I always get freaked out by the battery time on the N900.23:53
MohammadAG51on that note23:53
MohammadAG51I just bought my 3rd battery23:53
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: somebody told ya they can be recharged? :-P23:55
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, oops, thought they were disposable23:55
_0x471Good evening! Is anyone around that could help me out with porting a Debian package to Maemo? I know the wiki but it seems I have big troubles with outdated packages required to build it in the SDK. Unfortunately nobody is available in #maemo-devel23:56
MohammadAG51just ask23:57
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_0x471MohammadAG51: typing23:58
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, is that one of your "MANY" nicks?23:59
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DocScrutinizerI am known by MANY NAMES23:59

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