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| Lantizia | You know what... I think my trick for repartitioning now doesn't work on PR1.2 since more stuff has been optified :S | 00:05 |
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| Lantizia | It's a lovely reboot cycle! yay! | 00:05 |
| Lantizia | Will bbl, need food | 00:05 |
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| trip0 | linux action show reviewed the n900 this week | 00:09 |
| trip0 | they really like it | 00:10 |
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| E0x | trip0: yes i see it | 00:11 |
| mece | trip0, what's linux action show? Also, cool :D | 00:11 |
| E0x | but they need inform more about it before | 00:11 |
| E0x | because they confuse the microsd slot | 00:11 |
| E0x | with microsim slot | 00:11 |
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| trip0 | mece, it's a podcast | 00:12 |
| trip0 | http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ | 00:12 |
| trip0 | E0x, yeah, i noticed that :P | 00:12 |
| trip0 | pretty funny | 00:12 |
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| E0x | trip0: that make me stop watch the show | 00:15 |
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| trip0 | meh, if i didn't already know it was a microsd slot, i could have confused it for a microsim | 00:15 |
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| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping | 00:20 |
| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 00:21 |
| Lantizia | trip0, you expect a phone to both have a sim and a microsim :D | 00:21 |
| trip0 | Lantizia, no. but the hosts of the show did | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? | 00:21 |
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| trip0 | they thought it was cool there there was both for when you are traveling to places that only use microsim | 00:22 |
| E0x | trip0: that show that they dont do the proper research of the phone to make a "review" | 00:22 |
| trip0 | i can't think of a review that has gotten everything perfect | 00:23 |
| trip0 | some do better than others though | 00:23 |
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| * Arkenoi thinks microsim idea is stupid | 00:23 | |
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| Arkenoi | my wrist watch has full sized sim | 00:23 |
| Arkenoi | and there is plenty of space for it | 00:23 |
| Arkenoi | it could even have full sd instead of micro i think | 00:24 |
| trip0 | E0x, I can appreciate the review from a "user's perspective" rather than the run of the mill "journalist perspective" | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: wrist watch with full sized sim? | 00:24 |
| Arkenoi | jacekowski, cect w600 | 00:24 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: you mean ISO 7816 sized card? | 00:25 |
| Arkenoi | http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/w600_ex1.jpg | 00:25 |
| Arkenoi | nope ;-) | 00:25 |
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| Arkenoi | just "usual" sim | 00:25 |
| Arkenoi | iso 7816 would be too big ;-) | 00:25 |
| Arkenoi | so it is not "full sized" actually | 00:25 |
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| jacekowski | you just said full sized | 00:26 |
| Arkenoi | it was a long time since i had a phone with "full sized" sim ;-) | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | it's caled mini sim | 00:26 |
| jacekowski | that small one | 00:26 |
| Arkenoi | yep | 00:26 |
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| jacekowski | how long does battery last in that watch | 00:27 |
| Arkenoi | jacekowski, 3-4 days | 00:27 |
| jacekowski | wow | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | better than n900 | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | hmm, maybe not wow | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | that's not too hard really | 00:28 |
| Arkenoi | sure | 00:28 |
| jacekowski | well, everything lasts longer than n900 | 00:28 |
| Arkenoi | if you do not have active data connection all the time ;-) | 00:28 |
| Arkenoi | if you do, there are just a few phones that last longer | 00:28 |
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| Arkenoi | and there are no androids among those | 00:29 |
| Arkenoi | a few chinese wm models that have battery twice the size of the phone | 00:30 |
| Arkenoi | and some lucky symbians from nokia | 00:30 |
| Arkenoi | so n900 is rather good in it | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | well, it's one day of sitting in my pocket | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | with no data connection | 00:31 |
| jacekowski | ( because there is no gsm signal in my pocket ) | 00:31 |
| Arkenoi | jacekowski, then something is wrong with it | 00:32 |
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| Arkenoi | do you have your pocked shielded with aluminium foil? | 00:32 |
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| jacekowski | no | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | there is shitloads of steel around me | 00:32 |
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| jacekowski | and place where i work is in middle of nowhere anyways | 00:32 |
| jacekowski | so if you add this two things | 00:33 |
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| luke-jr | LOL | 00:36 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: on N900 or on desktop? | 00:36 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: i have to give my work phone number to everybody if they want to call me during a day | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | luke-jr: otherwise it's not going to happen | 00:38 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: my N900 doesn't support cellular service :P | 00:38 |
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| jacekowski | luke-jr: so how does it make phone calls? | 00:39 |
| luke-jr | jacekowski: who said it does?\ | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | i made at least couple calls with it | 00:40 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: maybe yours does :P | 00:40 |
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| luke-jr | N900 only supports GSM/3G though | 00:40 |
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| luke-jr | which doesn't exist in Omaha | 00:40 |
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| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, hey I used to repartition using sfdisk directly after a fresh firmware+emmc reflash and reboot... then when it comes back I use mkfs and re-fill the new partitions | 00:41 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, it appears that PR1.2 isn't so forgiving! how have you done your repartitioning? | 00:42 |
| luke-jr | is Nokia's XMPP/Jingle implementation open source? | 00:42 |
| Lantizia | i.e. after using sfdisk and reboot - it just reboots all the time | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: See the above paste | 00:43 |
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| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, I don't see a paste | 00:45 |
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| MohammadAG | I can haz ssh access to i5 cause I rm -rf'd /dev/* pweese? | 00:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | at about 1:50 ago | 00:47 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, you mean your partition layout? how does that help | 00:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | It explains how I've done my repartitioning | 00:48 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, it just shows what your partitions look like, not how you did it | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | tar up all from mydocs onto /home | 00:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | Resize partition | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | using fdisk | 00:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | mkvfat it | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | untar, reboot | 00:50 |
| Lantizia | wait wait | 00:50 |
| Lantizia | first of all theres no fdisk only sdisk | 00:50 |
| Lantizia | and neither of them can resize partitions... just write new partition tables | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | apt-get install cfdisk | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I used | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | sure | 00:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | you delete and recreate | 00:50 |
| SpeedEvil | it's not really hard | 00:51 |
| Lantizia | well I can do that with sfdisk which is built in | 00:51 |
| Lantizia | but in order to use the new partitions you must reboot first | 00:51 |
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| Lantizia | mind you - you don't touch /home do you? | 00:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | no | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | Or swap | 00:52 |
| Lantizia | thats what it probbaly is | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | just add a new partition in partition 4, and resize mydocs | 00:52 |
| Lantizia | I make home bigger by making mydocs smaller | 00:52 |
| Lantizia | I don't need or want a 4th partition | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I mounted it as mass storage, so the phone UI wouldn't be confused | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | fair enough | 00:52 |
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| Lantizia | mind you it's odd how you can mkvfat p4 when the system didn't have p4 that looks like that when it booted up | 00:53 |
| Lantizia | normally it'd need a reboot to read the new partition layout - even for a partition that didn't exist before | 00:53 |
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| Lantizia | I'm gonna try doing this without rebooting | 00:54 |
| Lantizia | AAAAHHAHAAAA | 00:55 |
| Lantizia | watch me fail | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | This is based on memory of events 6 months ago | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | So, I may be wrong. | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think I rebooted though | 00:55 |
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| silbo_____ | where could i get halp with nokia f-bus? | 00:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Dunno. | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think there is one on the n900 | 00:57 |
| SpeedEvil | Or rather - if there is - nobody has released details | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, what details? | 00:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | of f/m-bus | 01:01 |
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| silbo_____ | i have nokia 2650 and I'm stuck with syncing f-bus | 01:03 |
| silbo_____ | with my microcontroller | 01:03 |
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| alterego | Weird .. | 01:04 |
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| alterego | I've just opened a web browser, full screen and there are no controls ... | 01:04 |
| alterego | Just using dbus to call microb with 'load_url' :/ | 01:04 |
| SpeedEvil | silbo_____: ##electronics? | 01:05 |
| silbo_____ | yea i have this #gnokii channel but theres no one aswering | 01:06 |
| SpeedEvil | don't know that channel | 01:06 |
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| silbo_____ | gnokii is a opensource software for communication over the f-bus | 01:07 |
| silbo_____ | sending sms and calendar events | 01:07 |
| jacekowski | nope | 01:08 |
| jacekowski | gnokii isn't for fbus | 01:08 |
| silbo_____ | you sure? | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | yes | 01:09 |
| jacekowski | it's talking over fbus only to couple phones | 01:09 |
| silbo_____ | ok, but jacekowiski you know something about the f-bus syncing? | 01:10 |
| silbo_____ | im trying to sync f-bus with my microcontroller with no success | 01:10 |
| jacekowski | how? | 01:11 |
| jacekowski | are you bitbanging it? | 01:11 |
| silbo_____ | http://www.embedtronics.com/nokia/fbus.html i read this | 01:11 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, | 01:11 |
| silbo_____ | im sending 128 times the 'U' in hex | 01:12 |
| jacekowski | but how are you connecting phone to your uC | 01:12 |
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| silbo_____ | i have a Atmega644P, im connecting the fbus serial directly to the microcontroller serial | 01:12 |
| silbo_____ | do i have to use rs232? | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | hmm, i'm just wondering if you phone f-bus interface is protected against over voltage | 01:13 |
| jacekowski | if it isn't it's probably dead | 01:14 |
| silbo_____ | yea, i didn't find eny spec about the serials voltage range | 01:14 |
| silbo_____ | any* | 01:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It will be whatever the phone micro is running at | 01:14 |
| jacekowski | silbo_____: it's probably 3.3V or less | 01:15 |
| silbo_____ | ok, i know my Atmega gives out 5V max | 01:15 |
| SpeedEvil | 5V could easily be enough to kill it | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | enough to kill that interface | 01:15 |
| silbo_____ | at least for digital outs | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | so get another phone | 01:15 |
| jacekowski | your f-bus interface is dead | 01:15 |
| silbo_____ | lol xD | 01:15 |
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| jacekowski | what's funny about it? | 01:16 |
| silbo_____ | ok, but how can i do some level shifting then? | 01:16 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, whenever I write a new table it tells me it can't re-read the table "BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy" | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | well, it's too late now | 01:17 |
| silbo_____ | i got the phone for 1 dollar xD | 01:17 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, I've turned swap off and MyDocs is unmounted... so that just means /home | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | silbo_____: i would buy 20 of them | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | silbo_____: NEVER CONNECT ANYTHING BEFORE MAKING SURE YOUR VOLTAGES ARE OK | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | i did that once | 01:17 |
| jacekowski | and ended up with fire | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | and burned PLC I/O card | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | worth like £250 | 01:18 |
| silbo_____ | ouch | 01:18 |
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| silbo_____ | http://www.panuworld.net/nuukiaworld/hardware/cables/dual232.gif will this help me convert the voltage? | 01:21 |
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| crashanddie | silbo_____: won't help you one bit, because that's a gif image | 01:24 |
| silbo_____ | lol, I have a rs232, I havent looked trough the schematics, but i think it's the same | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:25 |
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| vldcnst | good one crashanddie. | 01:25 |
| Lantizia | bollocks as soon as you killall -9 hildon-home it reboots! NOOO | 01:25 |
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| vldcnst | hum hum, so I bought today an lcd screen and I used the light sensor to test multiple panels and choose the one with least blacklight bleeding. n900 ftw! | 01:29 |
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| Lantizia | Is there something that detects a crash and reboots? | 01:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | silbo_____: there are a couple of nice levelshifters at MAXIM. Also for sending from high level to LV-RX a 200R plus Zener usually serves the purpose. The other direction (LV-TX->high level RX) usually is less critical, as for example 'normal' RS232 is defined as +/-12V out, but input nondefined window is only 0..3.3V | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | Lantizia: on n900? | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: he just needs to interface 3.3V with 5V | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: couple resistors will do the job | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | silbo_____: so if your input is sensitive enough and has no pullup or ehatever... | 01:31 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: avr to 3.3V fbus | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: residtor plus clamp diaode or Zener | 01:32 |
| jacekowski | Lantizia: ??? | 01:32 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: maxim is never a good choice | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | uhuh... why? | 01:33 |
| jacekowski | maxim is always a good choice | 01:34 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: I've always had problems getting parts out of them, more than samples anyways, which they seem to have bucket loads of, so maybe they're good as long as you just want samples | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest to buy parts a digikey or whatever | 01:36 |
| asj | if you want cut tape | 01:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | BS, the MAXIM page just raped my CPU | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, maxim is the hoofed one | 01:37 |
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| jacekowski | are we talking about maxim or maxim-ic | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | i'm lost nw | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | maxim-ic | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | now* | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | well, let's talk about maxim | 01:37 |
| asj | is maxim the mag still around? | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | maxim.com was boring XP | 01:37 |
| jacekowski | hot chick on front page | 01:38 |
| jacekowski | lot of them | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | HELL!!! had to kill konqueror | 01:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | silbo_____: so please fnd out about max232 and friends for yourself | 01:39 |
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| silbo_____ | ok thx for the halp guys, I that voltage confirmation was the thing that i needed | 01:39 |
| silbo_____ | ok good night, ill go to bed | 01:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | silbo_____: as a general rule it's usually a good idea to get a commercial "data cable" for the particular Nokia | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | you get a decent plug, plus levelshifter, plus sometimes USB<->tty converter | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | easy to revamp | 01:42 |
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| lardman|home | should I be able to insert a QIcon in a layout object? | 01:46 |
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| asj | lardman|home: a QIcon is a file thingy not a QWidget no? memory is failing me | 01:47 |
| lardman|home | I dunno | 01:47 |
| asj | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/ -- they are amazing docs | 01:48 |
| lardman|home | I don't see there what the parent classes are though | 01:48 |
| asj | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qicon.html -- look at the Detailed Description | 01:49 |
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| asj | (it doesn't state is in huge bold letters, but it doesn't inherit anything, it is the base class) | 01:51 |
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| lardman|home | ah ok | 01:51 |
| lardman|home | thanks | 01:51 |
| lardman|home | will try a pixmap instead as I think that can be a paint device | 01:51 |
| lardman|home | which sounds about right | 01:51 |
| cyndis | QLabel label; label.setPixmap(pixmap) to show a pixmap in a layout | 01:53 |
| lardman|home | or can I show a QImage directly? | 01:53 |
| cyndis | qimages are automatically converted to qpixmaps when they are shown on screen, so if you plan to display it better have it as a qpixmap | 01:54 |
| lardman|home | ok | 01:54 |
| lardman|home | can I do the declaration and setPixmap in one command (to pass to a fn)? | 01:54 |
| cyndis | i suppose you can do setPixmap(new QPixmap("foo.png")) | 01:55 |
| lardman|home | other way round though | 01:55 |
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| lardman|home | (new QLabel).setPixmap(pm) | 01:55 |
| lardman|home | or similar | 01:55 |
| cyndis | well, you need to add that qlabel to the layout anyway, so you need to have it declared separately | 01:56 |
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| lardman|home | that's what I'm doing, trying to stick it all in the addWidget() call | 01:56 |
| cyndis | ah yes | 01:56 |
| asj | isn't this the exact code snibbits from the already linked to docs? | 01:56 |
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| cyndis | you probably can't do it in one expression | 01:57 |
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| lardman|home | cyndis: ok, was just wondering | 01:58 |
| lardman|home | asj: didn't/can't see it | 01:58 |
| crashanddie | lardman|home: go to bed | 01:59 |
| lardman|home | yeah soon | 01:59 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie, you're not his dad | 02:01 |
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| lardman|home | he is right though, getting late! :) | 02:03 |
| lardman|home | doesn't happen often, so we should allow him his victory ;) | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 02:04 |
| lardman|home | yay, has worked, thanks chaps | 02:05 |
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| Lantizia | I don't get it... prior to PR1.2 you could change the partition table... reboot and it'd come back ready for you the mkfs... on PR1.2 you reboot and it reboot loops | 02:07 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, pong? | 02:07 |
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| asj | Lantizia: to free up space on / they moved bits to the eMMC I believe...maybe it's missing something? | 02:09 |
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| Lantizia | asj, yeah I realise | 02:11 |
| ShadowJK | If you mess up the emmc in 1.2 you lose files you need to boot, I believe.. | 02:11 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, which files? | 02:12 |
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| lardman|home | ok, here's another one for you QT gurus, how do I extract a QPixmap from a QVariantHash? | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: pingpong? | 02:13 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, my only other option is to kill the 4 or 5 processes locking files in /home and remake /home without rebooting - but if I kill hildon-home then it reboots, know a way of stopping it rebooting when it detects a crash? | 02:13 |
| lardman|home | something like: itemData.value("barcodeImage").value<QPixmap>() | 02:13 |
| lardman|home | ? | 02:14 |
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| ShadowJK | So what I did last time I was messing with stuff like that, was to put my commands in /etc, somewhere early during boot.. and enclosed them all in a if [ ! -e /dontdoit ] { stuff.... ; touch /dontdoit }, and then I also had a bootmenu script, so that if I booted with keypad open, the scripts I modified were replaced from backups | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: if Nokia wasn't completely out of their mind, they had a look at arbitrary Unix admin HowTo and kept the executables and config data needed for boot in /bin and /sbin and /etc and /lib, and take /usr for just what it's been meant to be: Unix System Resources NOT NEEDED FOR BOOT | 02:16 |
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| Lantizia | well it was certainly like that before :S | 02:16 |
| ShadowJK | It's the corporation side of things that make the N900 reboot if it thinks it can't show a pretty GUI to the user :- | 02:17 |
| Lantizia | to be honest I don't buy this reason - theres nothing critical that has been optified | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | :-) | 02:17 |
| ShadowJK | iirc I accidentally found the bits of script once that made a new /home on the NAND if /home was broken... maybe that bit has changed :P | 02:18 |
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| Lantizia | ShadowJK, yeah when I've made new partitions and reboots it used to make a home directory on / | 02:19 |
| ShadowJK | yeah nand is / | 02:19 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, I'd then just mount the partition on top of it and copy the old home in to it | 02:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: reboot on kill process is usually because the process was started by err DME, DSME ?? sth like that | 02:20 |
| Lantizia | Maybe it's time to go back to basics | 02:20 |
| ShadowJK | I discovered it by accident when I ran fsck on /home out of a script during early boot so that /home wasn't mounted. fsck on flash-based media turned out to be a catastrophy though :D | 02:20 |
| Lantizia | And modify the eMMC image | 02:20 |
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| Lantizia | Therefore no repartitioning is needed | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: dsmetool --help | 02:22 |
| mamas-boy | yawn | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | -r --start-reset=<cmd> Start a process | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | (on process exit, do SW reset) | 02:23 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, what exactly is that? | 02:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: find the location where hildon-desktop is started (presumably by dsmetool -r /foo/bar/hildon-desktop) and edit it | 02:24 |
| Lantizia | ah then reboot? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | then reboot - then safely 'killall hildon-desktop' | 02:24 |
| Lantizia | hmm... don't suppose you know which file contains the dsmetool commands? | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | grep is your friend. | 02:25 |
| Lantizia | :) | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | try /etc/* | 02:25 |
| ShadowJK | also look at things that assign dsmetool to a variable name | 02:25 |
| Lantizia | so if this works I don't have to reboot after writing the new partition table | 02:25 |
| Lantizia | if swap is off, mydocs and home is unmounted - it'll re-read ok | 02:25 |
| * lardman|home leaves his variant hashes until the morrow | 02:25 | |
| ShadowJK | I think one of the RD mode flags disable dsmetool reboot on process-death | 02:26 |
| lardman|home | night chaps, thanks for the various bits of help | 02:26 |
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| * ShadowJK managed to accidentally enable that on Maemo4 when trying to kill the watchdog.. | 02:26 | |
| Lantizia | or alternatively what are the odd's on an altered eMMC ? | 02:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | MAYBE | 02:26 |
| vldcnst | What's 'talk beta tester'? | 02:27 |
| Lantizia | I still don't get why PR1.2 has made this more difficult :S | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: speedevil and ruskie did that. Talk to them | 02:27 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, they altered the eMMC? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | a lot of people did so far, aiui | 02:27 |
| Lantizia | Spoke with SpeedEvil earlier, all he did as far as I know is add a 4th partition directly on the N900 | 02:27 |
| Lantizia | ruskie, are you about to confirm ? :P | 02:28 |
| mamas-boy | ok | 02:28 |
| asj | Lantizia: well arguably, 1.2 makes it a more robust phone for non-developers. More root space is important and when a transient bad thing happens it reboots and 'clears' the problem. All of which are good things for end users. | 02:28 |
| Lantizia | asj, sure but theres nothing about the optifications that would prevent it booting any more than 1.1.1 | 02:28 |
| asj | Lantizia: aren't all the themes optified? | 02:29 |
| Lantizia | nah | 02:29 |
| Lantizia | oh actually yeah | 02:29 |
| Lantizia | crap! | 02:29 |
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| asj | you could make the argument (and ok I would too) it should have a basic theme it can boot in case of "themeing failure" but...there's only so many resources | 02:30 |
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| ShadowJK | Are the fonts also optified? ;) | 02:30 |
| Lantizia | so I'm faced with a custom eMMC which might be handy to put the maps back in anyway... or a long list of tricky process killing | 02:30 |
| Lantizia | ShadowJK, yes | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: grep -r 'dsmetool.*hildon-desktop' /etc | 02:31 |
| Lantizia | however they could have optified "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" in /usr/share | 02:31 |
| Lantizia | save another 30 to 40mb there | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | /etc/X11/Xsession.post/20hildon-desktop:/usr/sbin/dsmetool -c 3 -T 180 -m -17 -t /usr/bin/hildon-desktop | 02:32 |
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| ShadowJK | well maps for sure ;p | 02:32 |
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| mamas-boy | does anybody know how to change the color of my own text in xchat. Right now it's this lame grey. | 02:32 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, I don't like the sound of that - it's gone past the point of an elegant solution | 02:32 |
| Lantizia | I'd rather look at the eMMC image file for a bit | 02:32 |
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| ShadowJK | it's in settings | 02:33 |
| Lantizia | what is? | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | xchat colours | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah you're editing the image file. Now if that pans out it's a really great solution | 02:33 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, _if_ it pans out :) | 02:33 |
| mamas-boy | but now own text ShadowJK | 02:33 |
| ShadowJK | That's the annoying part, there are so many colours to change | 02:34 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, I remember being able to mount any partition inside the image file previously - but now I don't seem to be able to with this new eMMC | 02:34 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, don't suppose you can paste the default eMMC partition layout for me if you've got it? | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-S (plain void here, no idea) | 02:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I could paste you the cfdisk or similar output of a default eMMC | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I don't think that's of much use anyway | 02:36 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, please... sfdisk is already on your device and will show it | 02:36 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, it may help me roughly guess the positions in the eMMC image file | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | k, what cmd do you suggest? not familiar with sfdisk | 02:36 |
| mamas-boy | test | 02:36 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, sfdisk -f /dev/mmcblk0 | 02:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, lemme check and then decide if I enter the cmd or kill YOU :-P | 02:37 |
| Lantizia | :) | 02:37 |
| Lantizia | ooh I remember the image file is gzipped or something | 02:38 |
| ShadowJK | well it's not 32gigs, is it? :) | 02:39 |
| mamas-boy | test | 02:39 |
| Lantizia | no :) but I used to know how to do this | 02:39 |
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| Lantizia | :) the eMMC file now has a descriptor at the top! | 02:41 |
| Lantizia | it's changed! | 02:42 |
| Lantizia | explicitly stating how big each partition is | 02:42 |
| manoleitor | hi guys, do you know how to make osso-xterm show black bg with white fg? | 02:42 |
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| manoleitor | i cant stand the opposite :| | 02:43 |
| FauxFaux | Using the settings... | 02:43 |
| Lantizia | Stskeeps, Hey! are you umm about? I just discovered... head -n 17 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 02:44 |
| manoleitor | erhmm :| really ? ... oh yes, thats it.... | 02:44 |
| Lantizia | i.e. what looks like instructions for partitioning - should I be able to just tweak 2048 for home to 8192 and have 8GB /home instead? | 02:45 |
| manoleitor | i once played with those two colours, but nothing changed, so I thought that was not working. Thanks hehe | 02:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe a little late for Stskeeps | 02:45 |
| Lantizia | I'll try it anyway :) but if it won't work you'll save me time | 02:45 |
| manoleitor | what a difference now :D | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: for sure you need to equally reduce size of another partition | 02:46 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, mydocs doesn't get specified at all | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 02:47 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, but then vfat doesn't have a start and an end like ext2/3... I recon it formats the whole thing as vfat then makes those two at the end | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | possible | 02:47 |
| Lantizia | once done it then mounts the vfat and fill the files in | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | just try, you can't really break anything I'd guess | 02:47 |
| Lantizia | I mean you can see it is listed - but no size is | 02:47 |
| Lantizia | yeah it'll be fun lol | 02:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | the asumption of missing size = nnnn; meaning it takes the whole rest sounds reasonable to me | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | just rape it with a hexeditor, and then flash it :-D | 02:50 |
| Lantizia | pa ping... | 02:50 |
| Lantizia | sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 02:50 |
| Lantizia | FLASHER TIME | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | don't forget you need to flash a new fresh rootfs after flashing eMMC | 02:50 |
| Lantizia | I mean... HAMMER TIME | 02:50 |
| Lantizia | yeah yeah I know | 02:51 |
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| Lantizia | this must be my 1000th flash since I got the thing last year | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: the sed cmd looks dangerous, you dunno how many times it will strike | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | I think I'm on #1 | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had to reflash once, as foreca widget caused bootloop when I tried to drag it to another screen | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so #2 here | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | or REflash #1 | 02:52 |
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| Lantizia | hmm battery is dead lol | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | haha | 02:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer burrps | 02:53 | |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, the sed thing is fine - it's unlikely theres another ... but will make it do it only for first instance as it takes it a while to scan the rest of the file anyway | 02:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mine was flat yesterday, as I forgot about it while charging the new one :-P So I at least had a spare | 02:54 |
| Lantizia | ah it wasn't dead :S | 02:54 |
| Lantizia | emmc written | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the revenge of my good old N900, getting envy about the shiny new one | 02:55 |
| Lantizia | why have a 2nd? | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | devel | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | mess around with hostmode, bme, etc. And still have a PHONE | 02:56 |
| Lantizia | can you check something for me? pop off your back cover and look at the back of the back cover with the latch on the left hand side | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | np, and?... | 02:56 |
| Lantizia | theres a little backward L shaped metal thing with 2 dots can you see it? | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | mompls | 02:57 |
| Lantizia | at the top right of the apachure | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 02:57 |
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| Lantizia | does it look secure / well built? | 02:58 |
| Lantizia | because my little backwards L fell off - had to superglue it on | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hard to tell, I'll get a loupe | 02:58 |
| Lantizia | whats a loupe? | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | magn glass | 02:58 |
| Lantizia | ah | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I see. The 2 'dots' are plastic 'rivets'. Very crappy | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | may work, may fall off | 02:59 |
| Lantizia | well if the rivets are meant to pop out through the metal holes then mine no longer do :S | 02:59 |
| Lantizia | I think since the backcover bends slightly every time you take it off/on - it's gotten loose | 03:00 |
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| SpeedEvil | The correct solution is probably to return to nokia for repair. | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | However | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are meant to pop out and then heated and pressed flat like classical rivets | 03:00 |
| SpeedEvil | If there is enough 'body' in the rivets left, you may be able to smear out the head of them with a warm object | 03:00 |
| Lantizia | SpeedEvil, yeah I thought about a quick touch of a hot soldering iron | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's what's done in fab as well | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically | 03:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | I think it's just the kick-stand spring | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:01 |
| SpeedEvil | do you use the spring a lot? | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | the trick is you need to firmly press it down to tension the sring, when fixing it by whatever means | 03:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | sPring | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you do the soldering iron, then keep pressure for *at least* 60s | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | preferrably apply icing spray | 03:03 |
| SpeedEvil | that is pressure on the spring - not holding the soldering iron on for 60s :) | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 03:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks | 03:04 |
| SpeedEvil | I assume nobodies worked out how to get signal strengths for non-logged-in networks? | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | list of neighbour cell should have signal | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I dunno if we got any neigbour cell list | 03:05 |
| ShadowJK | getting list of neighbour cells would be nice too | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | at+cops=? is the closest i've got with pnatd | 03:05 |
| SpeedEvil | +COPS: (1,"T-Mobile",,"23430",2), | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | (3,"3 UK",,"23420",2),,(0,1,3),(0,2) | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | which says that for me | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Though I don't know the format | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | oooooh FSCK pnatd again | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | would somebody please patch pnatd to accept ^C | 03:06 |
| Lantizia | hmm I don't think this has gone too well | 03:06 |
| Lantizia | I have a bright blue screen | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | But that would mean that it can't be used for ppp! :) | 03:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Lantizia: DocScrutinizer sort of had that once. It diddn't go well. | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: not exactly | 03:07 |
| Lantizia | time to try again :) | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I had a completely black screen | 03:07 |
| SpeedEvil | Blue on the TV out | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 03:07 |
| asj | SpeedEvil: ppp can escape characters, it's there in a map list. I can't remember it's name | 03:07 |
| Lantizia | maybe it was just a bad flash, or maybe it doesn't like my modified eMMC file | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | asj: yeah - I know. | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | I just need to work out how to tether using it and ssh | 03:08 |
| asj | (of course that's solving the wrong problem) | 03:08 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, of course. | 03:08 |
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| SpeedEvil | The right problem is for icd2 to let 2 connections be up. | 03:09 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe frals will solve that in passing, if he now has influence. | 03:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | (as he also needs 2 connections up) | 03:09 |
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| MohammadAG | Night everyone | 03:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | night | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: enfora_enabler_EM__2008118161929.pdf - know that one? | 03:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nigght MohammadAG51 | 03:12 |
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| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, omg it worked | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hahaha | 03:13 |
| Lantizia | 8gb /home! | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | great! | 03:13 |
| Lantizia | you know I swear the old eMMC file wasn't like this | 03:14 |
| Lantizia | it was more like a DD image with a DOS table | 03:14 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I don't off-hand - I sort of remember the title | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Engineering Mode Parameters -- %EM: | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | The commands are as follows: | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | • | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | • | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | • | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT%EM=2,1 | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | it ignored those | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT%EM=2,2 | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | AT%EM=2,3 | 03:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Serving Cell Information | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Serving Cell GPRS Information | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Neighbour Cell Information | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops sorry for the bullits | 03:15 |
| Lantizia | you know this just got a _WHOLE FUCK LOAD EASIER_ | 03:15 |
| Lantizia | why did I just spend hours on this! | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | AT%EM=2,1 | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | ERROR | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I know | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-( | 03:15 |
| SpeedEvil | as with all of the at% commands I tried | 03:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | fsck pnatd, this retarded piece of.... | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I have pondered trying at[ -~][ -~][ -~] - but I haven't gotten that bored yet | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | wasn't kontorri at some time asking some other guy to check the options for service monitor mode | 03:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | dunno | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | anymore :-) | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | was in this chan, but months ago | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I seen to be sure there was no follow-up on it | 03:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-05-13.log.html#t2010-05-13T20:00:53 | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | rodarvus: anything new wrt monitor mode? | 03:25 |
| acidjazz | sup guys | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | boredom like always :-P | 03:27 |
| Lantizia | hey got my contacts/sms back :) | 03:27 |
| acidjazz | yea maemo.org looks dead | 03:27 |
| Lantizia | *yay | 03:27 |
| acidjazz | i saw a pre-alpha of meego comin out | 03:27 |
| acidjazz | end of this month | 03:27 |
| acidjazz | http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/handset-version-meego-set-june-30-release/2010-06-21?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: if you are interested in signal strength, neighbou cell list etc pp, please help in asking rodarvus and konttori about service monitor | 03:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-05-11.log.html#t2010-05-11T19:30:13 | 03:29 |
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| Lantizia | Yay I can still name my device :) | 03:35 |
| Lantizia | mlabel -i /dev/mmcblk0p1 ::Pan | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather pnatd is closed? | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | or rather undocumented so no way to augment it to learn full set of 3GPP AT cmdset at least? | 03:37 |
| GAN900 | Flash 10.1 out for Android | 03:37 |
| GAN900 | Nokia is full of idiots. | 03:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | I hit my first 'flash 10 only' on youtube the other day | 03:39 |
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| dotblank | If you could wish away one technology product what would be? | 03:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Umm... | 03:46 |
| dotblank | flash? | 03:46 |
| dotblank | windows? | 03:46 |
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| GAN900 | Windows | 03:47 |
| Ken-Young | Public video surveillance cameras. | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | html | 03:47 |
| GAN900 | Flash is fairly harmless all things considered | 03:47 |
| dotblank | I dunno | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Html sucks. | 03:47 |
| dotblank | I would rather some sites not work | 03:47 |
| dotblank | then use flash | 03:47 |
| GAN900 | Windows has probably set us back 10 years techwise | 03:47 |
| SpeedEvil | It could have been so much better from the beginning | 03:47 |
| Arkenoi | even if there will be flash 10.1, we won't get it until next firmware release which is months away | 03:47 |
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| Arkenoi | or even worse a feature freeze was already done for now and that means we are TWO releases away from flash upgrade | 03:48 |
| dotblank | flash hinders linux directly everyday | 03:48 |
| dotblank | windows I don't think does | 03:48 |
| dotblank | I can use linux only and not even care 2 cents about ms | 03:48 |
| dotblank | but flash... | 03:49 |
| dotblank | I ahve to use flash | 03:49 |
| Lantizia | Is it safe to use extras-testing and extras-devel on PR1.2 as there isn't a fremantle-1.2 listed on either... just on the standard extras | 03:49 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 03:50 |
| SpeedEvil | it's the default | 03:50 |
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| Lantizia | ok | 03:50 |
| dotblank | http://linuxers.org/article/canonical-not-developing-ubuntu-tablet-edition-says-shuttleworth | 03:51 |
| GAN900 | dotblank, then you're wearing blinders | 03:52 |
| Arkenoi | http://www.amazon.com/MINI-connector-Micro-USB-Female/dp/B001W9WBPU/ref=pd_sim_cps_4 | 03:52 |
| Lantizia | lol I just read that quote as... | 03:52 |
| * Arkenoi wants hundred of those | 03:52 | |
| Lantizia | "The devices world is a really exciting space right now and we're really full of bullshit on it", said Kenyon | 03:52 |
| GAN900 | Businesses stuck on legacy Windows crap can't migrate to Linux | 03:52 |
| GAN900 | Windows hurts the economy. | 03:52 |
| Ikarus | GAN900: actually | 03:53 |
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| Ikarus | GAN900: alot of them barely depend on Windows software by now | 03:53 |
| GAN900 | Ikarus, if you say so | 03:54 |
| luke-jr | except Office | 03:54 |
| Ikarus | just a few legacy apps that might be worth getting working well on Wine | 03:54 |
| Ikarus | luke-jr: Office isn't a dependency | 03:54 |
| GAN900 | I know of three I can name right now. | 03:54 |
| Ikarus | Outlook is though | 03:54 |
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| Lantizia | anyone know why they did away with the "More..." option? | 03:54 |
| Ikarus | oh and Financial departments who are too stuck with bloated Excel crap | 03:54 |
| Lantizia | I normally install catorize... but without it - it just looks silly | 03:54 |
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| Ikarus | anyway, bed time for me :) | 03:54 |
| dotblank | Lantizia, they replaced it with the ability to move icons | 03:54 |
| GAN900 | Ikarus, I think you'd be surprised by how many businesses do and how old some of the stuff they depend on is. | 03:54 |
| GAN900 | Small businesses | 03:54 |
| Lantizia | dotblank, the icons don't move for me | 03:55 |
| Ikarus | GAN900: otoh, alot of stuff is being replaced by webservices, etc | 03:55 |
| dotblank | linux needs a flagship small business server | 03:55 |
| GAN900 | Ikarus, many of which still depend on Windows. | 03:55 |
| Ikarus | GAN900: not these :) | 03:55 |
| Ikarus | the most used accountancy software here is webbased | 03:55 |
| dotblank | the move to cloud services will help linux I think | 03:55 |
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| Ikarus | works great in Firefox | 03:55 |
| GAN900 | Ikarus, OK, is that in a small business? :) | 03:56 |
| GAN900 | Linux really needs some decent retail software | 03:56 |
| dotblank | what kills small businesses is office | 03:56 |
| GAN900 | It's amazing to me that there isn't even any decent PoS software available. | 03:57 |
| dotblank | Open Office is great but I still have some doubts about it | 03:57 |
| dotblank | GAN900, I actually considered making one | 03:57 |
| dotblank | GAN900, about 2 years ago | 03:57 |
| dotblank | GAN900, and there are actually lots of commercial PoS on linux | 03:57 |
| dotblank | GAN900, although they never say they use it | 03:58 |
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| GAN900 | Webbased isn't a viable option | 03:59 |
| dotblank | GAN900, no some native apps.. | 03:59 |
| dotblank | GAN900, no open source software tho.. actually not much | 04:00 |
| dotblank | My first job I had (pizza shop) their PoS crashed | 04:01 |
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| dotblank | found out the PoS was made in VBasic | 04:01 |
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| dotblank | it had no error handling and crashed when there was a small messup in the database | 04:02 |
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| dotblank | I had to go into the bytecode with a hex editor and fix the database | 04:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dotblank: sue the original developer | 04:34 |
| crashanddie | Well, as long as we don't have commercial salesforces going around the world trying to sell ideas and products, we'll never have the marketshare that proprietary apps have | 04:35 |
| crashanddie | I mean, you really think some website can compete to a guy knocking on your door selling you a product and demoing it right in front of your eyes? | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | somehow the pattern of VB 'developers' not even aware such thing like error handling exists at all, this all sounds quite familiar to me | 04:36 |
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| * SpeedEvil ponders RMS turning up at the door of a buisness. | 04:37 | |
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| ptl | how? | 04:38 |
| crashanddie | dead, preferably | 04:38 |
| ptl | why? The guy might not be Mr. Sympathy but at least he vows for software freedom. | 04:39 |
| ptl | I'd much rather prefer Steve {Jobs|Ballmer} dead. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | He has done a lot. | 04:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I think that is indisputable. | 04:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | If it's always positive is a matter of debate. | 04:40 |
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| ptl | Well, I know he belches and farts a lot and also eats stuff out of his feet | 04:40 |
| crashanddie | ptl: and if we could stop the endless microsoft/apple bashing, that'd be quite refreshing too | 04:41 |
| ptl | but that is fun | 04:41 |
| ptl | why you want to stop the fun? | 04:41 |
| crashanddie | no, it really isn;t | 04:41 |
| ptl | It's like homosexuality, I don't like what homosexuals males like but I can't interfere on their right to have fun! | 04:43 |
| crashanddie | well, I can interefere with your privilege to bash apple and microsoft in this channel | 04:44 |
| ptl | lol | 04:44 |
| ptl | you're always nervous, dude... Calm down! | 04:44 |
| crashanddie | so... BECOME AN OP IRL | 04:44 |
| crashanddie | err | 04:44 |
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| crashanddie | s/OP/COP/ | 04:44 |
| crashanddie | so you'll be able to kick people and never have to be responsible for your own actions! | 04:44 |
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| ptl | ? | 04:45 |
| crashanddie | yaaaaaaaay | 04:45 |
| ptl | I wouldn't use it | 04:45 |
| crashanddie | sure you would | 04:45 |
| Aranel | why the N900 does not play MP4 MPEG-4 files from YouTube? Extra codecs also installed. | 04:46 |
| ptl | I wouldn't, really.. When IRC was popular in my country I was founder of a city channel with more than 600 simultaneous accesses... And I quite liked the idea that everybody had their expressions right, I was even highly tolerant of trolling | 04:46 |
| ptl | Aranel, which fle? Mine played all youtube videos I tried so far. | 04:49 |
| ptl | Aranel, maybe I can try it here and see if mine plays. | 04:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: the alarm clock faled? time for pills? :-P | 04:49 |
| Aranel | ptl: ok then, here it is: http://keephd.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D75EZljZCuCM | 04:49 |
| Aranel | ptl: just click the Download MP4 - High Definition one, bottom of the list. | 04:49 |
| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: nooooo, not the doo-goodie pills, I want to flyyyyyyy | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | OHH FSCK! just noticed a friggin flimsy lil latch on the thumbnail side of the back cover, that's completely broken on this NEW N900 | 04:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | what a crap | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | hrrmmmm | 04:52 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: hmm? | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | MY old good n900 has that latch, non broken | 04:53 |
| ptl | Aranel: this url didn't work, it complained that I didn't have java | 04:53 |
| konfoo | ahh iphone you useless piece of crap | 04:53 |
| Aranel | ptl: here is the one without flash: http://m.keephd.com/download_video.php | 04:53 |
| konfoo | 'i refuse to play this 4.1 baseline h264 just because i dont like the flag' | 04:54 |
| Aranel | ptl: and youtube URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75EZljZCuCM | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that flimsy shit is definitely a design flaw of the ME guys | 04:55 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: I don't understand which latch? | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | but luckily the back cover still doesn't fall off | 04:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: so probably yours is conpletely gone :-P | 04:55 |
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| ptl | Aranel: I will try it, hold on | 04:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: It's exactly 'above' the microphone hole | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | when you open up the back cover | 04:56 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: ah, both my phones have it still | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | on my new one (1 day old) is's broken | 04:57 |
| asj | but I could see how it could easily break, I like the metal back covers nokia changed too | 04:57 |
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| * Arkenoi checked mine, ok | 04:57 | |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm more baffled it's not broken on my other one | 04:57 |
| * Arkenoi loved e90 casing | 04:58 | |
| Arkenoi | solid metal almost everywhere | 04:58 |
| Aranel | ptl: thank you =) | 04:58 |
| ptl | 67 MB, it will take some time | 04:59 |
| asj | Aranel: can you imagin how big the n900 would have been if they built it like the e90? | 04:59 |
| asj | "is that an n900 in your pocket or a night stick" | 05:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe that's been the reason for the tremedous 'rebate' :-P | 05:00 |
| Arkenoi | asj: i think it's ok, the keyboard was much better | 05:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer | asj: maybe they should change the flat cable from body/kbd to screen by a flexible 90cm then, so you could balance the weight to both sides ;-P | 05:01 |
| Arkenoi | 9500 sucked big time, crappy plastic which was very easy to break | 05:02 |
| Arkenoi | so e90 was big improvement | 05:02 |
| asj | DocScrutinizer: 90cm? you calling me fat? ;) | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 05:02 |
| asj | speaking of food, lunch tmie! | 05:02 |
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| ptl | 18% of the video yet | 05:02 |
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| Aranel | ptl: now also downloaded the FLV version of it, this one also doesn't play on media player, but works well with KMPlayer. | 05:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: where will we see the 2-liner shellcmd to adjust eMMC partition sizes to our whim? | 05:04 |
| ptl | flv would only play through flash, I think | 05:04 |
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| Arkenoi | nope, mplayer plays it natively | 05:05 |
| ptl | Yes, I know | 05:05 |
| Aranel | ptl: and It also lags :/ sound faster than video. | 05:05 |
| ptl | I'm saying with the standard preinstalled software | 05:05 |
| ptl | 35% :-/ | 05:09 |
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| Aranel | ptl: now downloading 480x360 one too, to try if that one works or not | 05:13 |
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| ptl | 74% | 05:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | ptl: downloading BenHur? | 05:25 |
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| ptl | DocScrutinizer51: I don't even know what Aranel's video is all about, lol | 05:33 |
| ptl | just downloading it to test | 05:33 |
| ptl | it's certainly not the benhur flick | 05:33 |
| Tha801game | can anyone recommend an email client | 05:34 |
| Aranel | ptl: My Favourite Game by The Cardigans :P | 05:34 |
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| Tha801game | anything? | 05:35 |
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| ptl | Aranel: it downloaded, let's try it | 05:38 |
| ptl | not possible to reproduce, format not supported | 05:38 |
| ptl | :( | 05:38 |
| sjgadsbyNB | In about:config in Maemo 5's browser, how can I access the context menu or otherwise create new preference strings/integers/booleans? | 05:38 |
| Aranel | ptl: yeah It doesn't play on mine too. I wonder why.. | 05:39 |
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| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsbyNB, isn't there a field at the top? | 05:39 |
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| sjgadsbyNB | GeneralAntilles: There is, but that seems to be just for searching. Can I create new preferences using that box? If so, how? | 05:40 |
| GeneralAntilles | sjgadsbyNB, no idea. | 05:40 |
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| shorter | any music identification apps? | 05:59 |
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| pigeon | "identification"? | 06:22 |
| luke-jr | any character identification apps? | 06:23 |
| Macer | a profile media player would be a better start | 06:24 |
| Macer | :) | 06:24 |
| luke-jr | Macer: happy fathers' day +2 | 06:25 |
| Macer | heh. thanks. you too | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | anyone want my new calendar app? | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | thanks | 06:25 |
| luke-jr | my cal app probably takes 4 or 5 minutes to render a week on N900 | 06:25 |
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| luke-jr | <.< | 06:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | "I promise to be careful" LOL | 06:33 |
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| Termana | yello | 06:33 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, is that how the loan agreement reads? :P | 06:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | about:config | 06:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | german version of accept button | 06:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | shorter: switch to cursor mode in about:config | 06:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | (double?)clicking any value either toggles or opens an edit requester | 06:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ooops | 06:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sjgadsbyNB: ^^^^ | 06:41 |
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| shorter | Doc*51 | 06:44 |
| shorter | lol | 06:44 |
| shorter | not sure what you mean | 06:44 |
| shorter | what is cursor mode in reference to? | 06:45 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | shorter: sorry, EADDR. was for sjgadsbyNB | 06:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | how to edit values in microB's about:config page | 06:46 |
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| sjgadsbyNB | DocScrutinizer51: Thanks, but I'm able to edit existing preferences. How can I add new ones? | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I never heard about adding name-value tuples to the preferences. My take on that always been all that the browser knows to read and handle is actually listed in about:config | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | lol | 07:16 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but somehow I have the feeling I don't really get what you want to do | 07:16 |
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| sjgadsbyNB | Ah, I don't have much hope of success, but I was playing with adding spellcheck support. I dropped the (probably not working) lib in the right place, but I need preference values to try to activate it. | 07:18 |
| sjgadsbyNB | On desktop Firefox, right clicking opens a context menu with a New... option. Can't find an equivalent in MicroB. | 07:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | no idea then | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | thanks for explaining :- | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | :-) | 07:21 |
| Termana | Out of interest, has anyone tried to use qemu on the n900? (outside of just for certain binaries - (doing a full OS boot in qemu)) | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | bochs, not qemu: http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html | 07:22 |
| Termana | Yeah, I knew people had been using Bochs. I like qemu better :P | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | bochs -> x86-linux -> qemu -> whatever :-P | 07:25 |
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| Termana | emulator on an emulator :P I think x86 emulation is going to be slow enough without doing that! :D | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just kidding | 07:26 |
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| luke-jr | any idea if OpenBTS would be legal to setup in the US? | 07:27 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure - if you get a licence from FCCm(or whatever authority) | 07:28 |
| luke-jr | :/ | 07:29 |
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| luke-jr | any chance I could cover the city and go unnoticed? | 07:29 |
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| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: and what if the 900 MHz band is unlicensed? :D | 08:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: I think 900 is used by US military. Probably nobody will care XP | 08:02 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | apparently it's unlicensed, but not allowed for 'communications' | 08:03 |
| luke-jr | is it possible to run GSM in data-only mode? ;) | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | guess why! | 08:03 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 08:04 |
| luke-jr | (there is precedent that data is not 'communications', as this rule applies to 802.11 frequencies too) | 08:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | I guess the GIs will not discuss that particular detail | 08:05 |
| Termana | I wonder if it is communications when you have 100 chinese kids in your basement processing your data | 08:06 |
| luke-jr | GIs? | 08:06 |
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| Termana | luke-jr: soldiers | 08:07 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | someone just pointed out a flaw in my plan | 08:08 |
| luke-jr | unlicensed use has power limits :( | 08:08 |
| Termana | I have a solution luke-jr | 08:09 |
| Termana | Move. | 08:09 |
| Termana | Yes thats my solution to everything | 08:09 |
| luke-jr | Termana: you forget I can't | 08:09 |
| Termana | No, I didn't forget :P | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | also, that would only be a half-solution | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | never seen a carrier that lets me connect my cell to my internal PBX | 08:10 |
| luke-jr | :p | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | in Russia a similar issue is probably solved much quicker, as 811.2a (?) interferes with military radar. Assumtions are you'll attract the air2air missiles of the MIGs | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | err 802.11 | 08:11 |
| Termana | In Soviet Russia, missiles attract you! | 08:11 |
| Termana | Worst russian joke ever :P, I had nothing to work with! :P | 08:12 |
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| Macer | so. how is that portrait desktop going? | 08:15 |
| Macer | :) | 08:15 |
| Macer | it would be interesting if someone made an android ui using X | 08:16 |
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| Macer | android seems to handle the portrait to landscape very well | 08:17 |
| Macer | then again... almost all other phone UIs seem to | 08:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I honestly couldn't care less about portrait | 08:21 |
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| Macer | heh | 08:23 |
| Macer | well. there is nothing wrong with being part of the minority | 08:23 |
| Macer | ;) | 08:23 |
| pigeon | portrait mode makes sense when you're using only one hand... | 08:26 |
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| Surfa | and have a lot to read | 08:34 |
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| Surfa | it's easier to read e.g. forums in portrait mode if scaled correctly | 08:35 |
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| pigeon | and also typing | 08:39 |
| Wolfie | wtf... the calendar widget doesn't show birthdays... that's crap | 08:44 |
| Corsac | you want to try the calendar widget replacement | 08:45 |
| Corsac | not sure if it's extras{,-testing,-devel} | 08:46 |
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| pigeon | cal-home-widget is in extras-devel | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | typing? with one hand? in portait? easier?? *cough* | 08:50 |
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| asj | DocScrutinizer: thank god for a highres screen | 08:54 |
| pigeon | we meant it should be made easier, currently it's not, hence the need of better portrait mode. | 08:54 |
| pigeon | try using the n900 with only one hand for a day and you'll see. | 08:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | thank god I have two healthy hands | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | and even when I need to operate the phone with one hand only, I prefer landscape and using the hw kbd | 08:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | YMMV | 08:59 |
| asj | pigeon: you own stock in a lube company or something? | 09:00 |
| pigeon | that's fair enough, but one of the reasons could be the current portrait mode support sucks :) | 09:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe | 09:01 |
| pigeon | asj: you've lost me... | 09:01 |
| asj | pigeon: nm, I think portrait mode would handy in certain areas, but after getting stuck with symbian and it's love for portrait I'm not fan of that | 09:01 |
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| pigeon | yeah, i'm not saying the landscape isn't good. | 09:02 |
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| asj | and I love user choice, so making it trivial for the dev, and trivial for the user to choose is good | 09:02 |
| pigeon | it's just like today it's raining holding the umbrella and i find it difficult to reply e-mail or smses. | 09:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | I can't see you doing that in portrait more easily, without T9 or similar shit | 09:05 |
| ljp | portrait is good for one handed use | 09:05 |
| pigeon | DocScrutinizer: yeah, sure. | 09:06 |
| pigeon | like vertsms for example. | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | on MotoQ9 I got even a rather decent hw kbd in portrait mode, and I found it impossible to operate with one hand | 09:07 |
| ljp | T9 rules | 09:09 |
| ljp | although, qtopia's predictive software keyboard was good | 09:09 |
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| luke-jr | what kind of range would 1 W get on the 900 MHz radio? | 09:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | raster's error tolerant kbd is still even better than any predictive. It's kinda T9 for fullsize kbd | 09:15 |
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| Termana | Also, you can use portrait mode so you can wipe your arse and use the device at the same time | 09:17 |
| Termana | Kidding :P | 09:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hmm, the device isn't smooth enough :-S | 09:18 |
| Ken-Young | Ass-texing is a major problem - not a joking matter. | 09:18 |
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| pigeon | Termana: i bet you have this t-shirt :) http://tinyurl.com/yeparp6 | 09:49 |
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| hrw | morning | 10:34 |
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| Mece | hi, is there a delay before the promote package link appears for apps in testing? | 10:58 |
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| Mece | oh wait.. there's a 10 day quarantine for new versions too? | 11:00 |
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| Piotras | X-Fade, Hi! Do you know why there's no php5 (and dev) packages for fremantle? no maintainer? | 11:02 |
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| Lantizia | Morning :) | 11:06 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, two liner? one liner you mean | 11:06 |
| Lantizia | sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 11:06 |
| Lantizia | shake 'n' flash | 11:07 |
| frals_ | Mece: yes, 10d for everything | 11:08 |
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| Lantizia | frals_, is there an equivalent to packages.debian.org or packages.ubuntu.com for maemo? | 11:11 |
| frals_ | maemo.org/packages | 11:11 |
| Appiah | http://repository.maemo.org/ | 11:11 |
| frals_ | or that maybe | 11:11 |
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| tybollt | so z500 eh | 11:14 |
| Lantizia | nah neither of them are the same really | 11:14 |
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| tybollt | frals_: when will you release 10.1 for us? | 11:15 |
| Lantizia | you can't see dependencies at a glance, differences in versions according to extras extras-testing extras-devel | 11:15 |
| Lantizia | you can't download the original source from it | 11:16 |
| Mece | frals_, thanks, and also bleh. crap. | 11:16 |
| Lantizia | not the same :( | 11:16 |
| frals_ | you can see dependencies, changelog and which version is where from maemo.org/packages | 11:17 |
| frals_ | and download the source | 11:17 |
| Lantizia | http://maemo.org/packages/view/wget/ | 11:17 |
| Lantizia | http://packages.debian.org/wget | 11:17 |
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| Lantizia | They clearly don't offer the same options on a per package view | 11:17 |
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| Appiah | Lantizia: what do you miss? | 11:18 |
| Lantizia | I can also see the maintainer, the original home page, and suggested packages from the debian version | 11:18 |
| Klio | hi | 11:19 |
| Appiah | oh | 11:19 |
| Lantizia | the maemo version is nothing more than package name, description and build history :S | 11:19 |
| tybollt | flash 10.1 | 11:19 |
| tybollt | will it require a new PR or can it be packaged separately? | 11:19 |
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| MohammadAG51 | packaging it separately means breaking the ssu package | 11:20 |
| Appiah | Lantizia: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/quick-launch/0.4/ | 11:20 |
| Appiah | I think it differs from package to package.. | 11:20 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: true | 11:20 |
| MohammadAG51 | And who said flash 10.1 was even coming | 11:20 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: making a PR means you and me waiting ... forever... | 11:20 |
| Lantizia | Appiah, ah! thats closer to the information I'm used to seeing - a mouthful of a URL however :) | 11:21 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: I have no idea... apparently adobe is sending it to manufacturers starting today... | 11:21 |
| Appiah | hey look everyone MohammadAG51 said that flash 10.1 _is_ coming | 11:21 |
| * Appiah ducks | 11:21 | |
| * MohammadAG51 gets a 10 foot pole and walks towards Appiah | 11:21 | |
| tybollt | now now | 11:22 |
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| tybollt | let's not solve problems middle-east style :) | 11:22 |
| Lantizia | Do Adobe put the ARM builds anywhere public ? | 11:22 |
| Lantizia | I mean if they do it's just one file to swap out for 10.1 | 11:23 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, you thought I was going to beat him with it? touche | 11:23 |
| dotblank | how would I go about creating a custom field in contacts manager | 11:23 |
| dotblank | like create a custom field for an im application | 11:23 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, I can't explain what it's for, it's a family channel | 11:23 |
| Appiah | 10 foot? braggin are we? :) | 11:24 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: :-D | 11:24 |
| Duckboot | Appiah: Mice-feet | 11:24 |
| MohammadAG51 | Appiah, nah, you just lost something you can't get back :P | 11:24 |
| Appiah | =( | 11:25 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: pics or it din happen | 11:25 |
| MohammadAG51 | Appiah, oh, and it was a metal pole, not a ... | 11:25 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: You have to seek out a shrink - You're NOT Iron-man | 11:25 |
| Duckboot | ;P | 11:25 |
| lcuk | morning \o | 11:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, <Appiah> =( <--says it all | 11:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol Duckboot | 11:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | morning lcuk | 11:26 |
| frals_ | mornin lcuk | 11:26 |
| MohammadAG51 | smells like fish in here | 11:27 |
| Lantizia | hell wouldn't a flash 10.1 .so file compiled for any ARM be ok? (e.g. for android - just copy the file over to maemo) | 11:27 |
| Appiah | umm | 11:27 |
| MohammadAG51 | Lantizia, I doubt it'd be that easy | 11:27 |
| Klio | IS there script counter time connection? | 11:27 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG51, and why not? | 11:27 |
| Appiah | try it | 11:27 |
| Appiah | and see what happens :) | 11:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | Lantizia, the browsers differ | 11:28 |
| Lantizia | well I don't know where to download the ARM build of Adobe Flash from... are the publically available? | 11:28 |
| tybollt | also does flash work in any other than microb yet | 11:28 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG51, true... no mozilla browser on android for there to be a need for a mozilla plugin | 11:28 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, yes, firefox, but you have to enable it | 11:28 |
| tybollt | ah | 11:29 |
| * tybollt enables MohammadAG51 | 11:29 | |
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| * pupnik starts to learn what symbiN + E71 does better than maemo :) | 11:29 | |
| tybollt | pupnik: ? | 11:29 |
| MohammadAG51 | troll alert! | 11:30 |
| tybollt | I call troll yes | 11:30 |
| pupnik | some menus are nicely optimized - few keyclicks | 11:30 |
| pupnik | and less *lag* | 11:30 |
| MohammadAG51 | pupnik, less eye candy too | 11:30 |
| Duckboot | I can haz troll? | 11:30 |
| pupnik | there are a few things it does well | 11:30 |
| tybollt | pupnik: why did you get E71? | 11:31 |
| MohammadAG51 | can we go back On topic btw :) | 11:31 |
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| * Duckboot has a E75 laying around somewhere - pretty nice phone all in all. | 11:31 | |
| Appiah | When I read about the n900 in this channel , feels like I'm one of the few with a n900 going smooth thru the menus? | 11:31 |
| pupnik | these are small differences of a couple hundred milliseconds | 11:31 |
| pupnik | but it makes for a different feeling | 11:31 |
| tybollt | MohammadAG51: so why not test it? | 11:31 |
| Lantizia | tada... here's flash... /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so | 11:31 |
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| tybollt | MohammadAG51: we should be able to get a 10.1 arm bin out of adobe and atleast _try_ | 11:32 |
| tybollt | so what if we misserably fail | 11:32 |
| Duckboot | tybollt: Buy an iPad.... | 11:32 |
| * Duckboot ducks | 11:32 | |
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| Klio | i search connection counter time, hel me,pls | 11:33 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: try what? | 11:33 |
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| jacekowski | tybollt: there is no flash plugin with compatible interface for any other phone | 11:34 |
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| tybollt | you're dead sure about that | 11:35 |
| tybollt | jacekowski: | 11:35 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 11:35 |
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| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, you will miserably fail, but if you misreably succeed, kudos to you | 11:35 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: but still, it's possible to reverse engineer it and modify interface | 11:35 |
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| obsidieth | so. does conversations support msn. | 11:35 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: but then still why you want to do it? | 11:35 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: tybollt: Wrapper? | 11:36 |
| obsidieth | its not an option to add an account through it, but my googling suggests its possible. | 11:36 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: hardware acceleration? | 11:36 |
| tybollt | no | 11:36 |
| jacekowski | tybollt: not going to happen on n900 because it would have to use completly different interfaace | 11:36 |
| tybollt | built in flash doesn't work w/ a certain app that monitors world cup =) | 11:36 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, the arm build doesn't even have HW accel yet | 11:37 |
| jacekowski | fuck the world cup | 11:37 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: Nah - Could'nt it be done through an wrapper - Like the on which use Windows-WiFi-drivers in Linux? | 11:37 |
| * MohammadAG51 slaps jacekowski with a vuvuzela | 11:37 | |
| tybollt | Yeah I bet there's a lot of that going on... http://asset.soup.io/asset/0886/2236_e7b1_500.jpeg (nsfw) | 11:37 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: grr | 11:37 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: niggerhorn | 11:37 |
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| MohammadAG51 | LOL @ england one | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: ndiswrapper is quite simple | 11:38 |
| MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, racist | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | Duckboot: linux NAPI and windows NDIS are quite similiar | 11:38 |
| jacekowski | MohammadAG51: so? | 11:38 |
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| Duckboot | jacekowski: M'kay. | 11:42 |
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| Klio | i search script, or software of network traffic monitor, help me pls. Thx | 11:44 |
| LiraNuna | oh wow! | 11:44 |
| LiraNuna | Banshee detects my N900 as a music device | 11:44 |
| LiraNuna | complete with icon and device info | 11:45 |
| dotblank | whoa | 11:45 |
| dotblank | backtrack mobile beta to release in julyt | 11:45 |
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| dotblank | july* | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | so? | 11:45 |
| dotblank | so cool | 11:45 |
| jacekowski | i have more tools in my n900 that in backtrack | 11:45 |
| dotblank | can't wait to test this out | 11:45 |
| dotblank | well it support packet injection | 11:46 |
| dotblank | supports* | 11:46 |
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| LiraNuna | http://liranuna.com/junk/banshee-n900.png | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | so? | 11:46 |
| jacekowski | you don't know how to use it properly anyways | 11:46 |
| obsidieth | one other qyuestion being, how can one search through the application download section | 11:47 |
| obsidieth | on an n900 | 11:47 |
| jacekowski | it's search as you type | 11:47 |
| Duckboot | jacekowski: You're a sunshine this morning ;-P | 11:47 |
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| Duckboot | obsidieth: All apps - start typing | 11:47 |
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| dotblank | jacekowski, your saying that I don't know how to use packet injection? | 11:48 |
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| MohammadAG51 | dotblank, yes, he is | 11:49 |
| jacekowski | i had nemesis working on n900 couple months ago | 11:49 |
| tybollt | yeah | 11:49 |
| tybollt | usually MohammadAG51 is the 'sunshine' around here... ;P | 11:49 |
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| dotblank | Thats kinda dumb and naive to say I don't know how to use packet injection | 11:50 |
| jacekowski | besides, openchoice desktop is shit | 11:50 |
| LiraNuna | yeah, whatever Steve Jobs dictates should be good for everyone | 11:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | tybollt, you're asking for that pole | 11:50 |
| tybollt | point in case >:) | 11:51 |
| Mymo | can i connect my n900 to the internet using my laptop connection??? | 11:51 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: Did you know that in Sweden they actually dance around pole at midsummer eve. So it's kinda suiting that you drag a pole around today. | 11:52 |
| LiraNuna | Mymo, what does your laptop has that your N900 doesn't? | 11:52 |
| tybollt | this is not the pole you are thinking about duckie. | 11:52 |
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| alschroe | Hey I want to reset my N900 to factory mode ... therefor I want to flash it with the emmc image .... It says the battery needs to be fully charged in the wiki ... is that just so the device won't turn off in the process? | 11:52 |
| Duckboot | tybollt: Nah - Probs not. | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | Mymo: yes | 11:52 |
| jacekowski | Mymo: google will help | 11:53 |
| Mymo | LiraNuna nothing but bigger screen ;) | 11:53 |
| Duckboot | alschroe: Yep | 11:53 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lol tybollt | 11:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | err, Duckboot | 11:53 |
| LiraNuna | Mymo, I meant, why would your N900 wouldn't be able to use any connection that the laptop is able to connect to? | 11:53 |
| alschroe | so I can flash it with less than a full battery right? | 11:53 |
| Duckboot | alschroe: Probs - but why take the risk? | 11:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | yes, 50 percent should do I guess | 11:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | i flashed it with 25% battery once | 11:54 |
| alschroe | because I don't want to wait anymore :) | 11:54 |
| Duckboot | alschroe: Patience, my young Padawan | 11:56 |
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| Mymo | LiraNuna i use 3G usb on my laptop....but i want to know if i can connect my n900 to the laptop then use the internet connection on n900 | 11:56 |
| alschroe | I am more the dark side kind a person -.- we have cookies ! | 11:57 |
| LiraNuna | Mymo, N900 can do 3G just fine..?! | 11:57 |
| LiraNuna | unless you got two operators | 11:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | LiraNuna, I think it's a 3G usb modem | 11:57 |
| Mymo | ^yep 3G usb modem hooked to my laptop | 11:58 |
| LiraNuna | N900 has a built in 3G modem as well | 11:58 |
| alschroe | When I flash the N900 with the emmc I have to flash the PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 afterwards too right ? | 11:58 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alschroe, the opposite | 11:58 |
| Mymo | yeah but i got one SIM that i use with the 3G usb modem | 11:59 |
| haj | isn't it the other way around.. first vanilla, then emmc... but you don't actually need to flash emmc unless it's gone weird.. | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | yes | 11:59 |
| Mymo | sorry if i'm not making sense ;) | 11:59 |
| LiraNuna | Mymo, buy another SIM? :D | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | use the sim in the N900 :) | 11:59 |
| MohammadAG51 | and use mobilehostpot to tether (also comes with a free heater!) | 12:00 |
| LiraNuna | or tether using the N900 ^ | 12:00 |
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| LiraNuna | MohammadAG51, my N900 doesn't heat when I use bluetooth tethering | 12:00 |
| obsidieth | hmm | 12:00 |
| obsidieth | so i added my msn. but it shows all the offline contacts. | 12:00 |
| MohammadAG51 | LiraNuna, I was referring to wifi tethering | 12:00 |
| LiraNuna | ah | 12:01 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: Last I tried mobilehotspot did not like Titan's kernels. | 12:01 |
| LiraNuna | I can't get power kernel to work, so mobilehotspot never worked for me | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | Duckboot, two different kernels | 12:01 |
| LinuxCode | you did not like my Kernel! how dare you | 12:01 |
| LiraNuna | 3G and wifi just didn't work | 12:01 |
| MohammadAG51 | Duckboot, and I use my own kernel | 12:01 |
| Mymo | i'll try that and get back to you guy.....thank u very much guys | 12:01 |
| Duckboot | MohammadAG51: Ok | 12:02 |
| lcuk | Mymo, do you have a normal call sim already in your n900 | 12:02 |
| Mymo | yes | 12:02 |
| lcuk | the simplest is to contact your service provider and add data to that one | 12:02 |
| lcuk | or as others suggested, put that data sim in your phone, but that loses you your number and the data sims (from 3g modems) dont usually allow calls | 12:03 |
| lcuk | laptop->n900 tethering is really good -> it acts just like your 3g modem ;) | 12:03 |
| * Duckboot told his employer that he really, really, really needed an unlimited dataplan for his N900. And got it. | 12:04 | |
| alschroe | Ok here is what I am doing and why ... I have a Kolab-server (For those unfamiliar its "like" an exchange server) but since the upgrade to 1.2PR its not working anymore ... this why I want to flash my n900 to factory defaults. First step: ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f" und danach "sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f -R" | 12:04 |
| lcuk | w00t party on Duckboot's internet | 12:04 |
| Duckboot | \o/ | 12:05 |
| Duckboot | Party on | 12:05 |
| Mymo | i will search more about tethering o/ | 12:05 |
| BCMM | Duckboot: actually unlimited? | 12:05 |
| lcuk | probably not | 12:05 |
| BCMM | Duckboot: T-Mobile has ridiculous terms - all the data plans are unlimited | 12:05 |
| Duckboot | BCMM: Well - reduced speed after 3Gb | 12:05 |
| BCMM | Duckboot: but you can pay extra to have a different "fair use limit" | 12:05 |
| marmoute | Unlimited*™ | 12:05 |
| alschroe | am I making sense ... is it the right order ? | 12:06 |
| Duckboot | But as I'm on Wifi at home, and at work, I struggle to use 3Gb in a month. | 12:06 |
| BCMM | Duckboot: on the plus side, t-mobile doesn't cut you off or start charging you over the limit; it just throttles your speed between 4pm and midnight, and occasionally replaces an http request with a page telling you what they did | 12:06 |
| BCMM | (for the rest of the month) | 12:06 |
| BCMM | yeah, i find i need surprisingly little bandwidth, since i have a wireless network at home and seldom get the urge to do software updates while cycling | 12:07 |
| Duckboot | BCMM: Full speed until 3Gb, then 128kbps the rest of the month - No extra charge for going over the limit. | 12:07 |
| BCMM | Duckboot: what country are you in, and which network? | 12:08 |
| Duckboot | BCMM: Norway - Hello. | 12:08 |
| Duckboot | Ridiculus name for a Network Provider. | 12:08 |
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| alschroe | hello ? ... is it the right order? ... | 12:09 |
| Duckboot | alschroe: Read backlog - MohammadAG51 answered the order question. | 12:09 |
| haj | alschroe: no it's the wrong order... | 12:10 |
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| Duckboot | 10:58 < alschroe> When I flash the N900 with the emmc I have to flash the PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 afterwards too right ? | 12:10 |
| Duckboot | 10:58 < MohammadAG51> alschroe, the opposite | 12:10 |
| BCMM | Duckboot: people providing somewhat "abstract" services seem to struggle to find meaningful names | 12:10 |
| MohammadAG51 | opposite wasn't the best word to use, but... meh | 12:10 |
| BCMM | we have O2 here | 12:10 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, thats not right | 12:10 |
| Duckboot | BCMM: Mmm | 12:10 |
| BCMM | (but written like O_2, as in diatomic oxygen) | 12:11 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, fiasco then eMMC | 12:11 |
| alschroe | yes I was confused because somebody said vanilla first and thats what I am doing ... I specified the hole command and it would be nice if somebody can check that | 12:11 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, that's what the first PR1.2 edit said | 12:12 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, doesnt matter which order as long as no rebooting in between | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, and I really don't see why this order is needed | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 12:12 |
| lcuk | but if theres gonna be rebooting, do MMC first | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | oh | 12:12 |
| BCMM | we also have "3", who presumably do business with people who've heard they need a 3G connection and got confused | 12:12 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, so order doesn't really matter :) | 12:13 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG51, actually it does | 12:13 |
| lcuk | if oyu do pr1.2, boot, then eMMC it will need redoing | 12:13 |
| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, w/o reboots, it doesn't matter | 12:14 |
| lcuk | BCMM, yeah 3 throws a lot of syntax errors | 12:14 |
| * lcuk nods | 12:14 | |
| BCMM | lcuk: eh? | 12:14 |
| lcuk | BCMM, just the name of a company being a single digit | 12:14 |
| BCMM | oh, you mean always expecting a noun there are three of after it in sentences? | 12:14 |
| lcuk | hutchinson telecome was better :) | 12:14 |
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| lcuk | -e | 12:15 |
| BCMM | "I am connected through 3" | 12:15 |
| BCMM | (3 what? 3 proxies?) | 12:15 |
| alschroe | Ok maybe someone can explain it so a real idiot (me) understands what to do ... which image ... and please don't say fiasco.image because thats not what its called ... I simply don't know which is which | 12:16 |
| Appiah | http://images.whatport80.com/images/c/c9/Good_Luck_I'm_Behind_7_Proxies.jpg | 12:16 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, MohammadAG51, it's better to do eMMC _then_ FIASCO... as I find the N900 starts up after a FIASCO flash and not after an eMMC flash | 12:17 |
| MohammadAG51 | Lantizia, it never reboots on its own, you're using the -R parameter | 12:17 |
| lcuk | if you dont need to flash eMMC, then dont | 12:17 |
| lcuk | most people dont need to anyway | 12:17 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG51, aah! | 12:18 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, I do :) | 12:18 |
| Lantizia | wern't you the guy on about the alternative home partition sizes yesterday? | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | why | 12:18 |
| lcuk | you are special :D | 12:18 |
| MohammadAG51 | LOL | 12:18 |
| lcuk | the same, but now i am working | 12:19 |
| Lantizia | sed -i 's/size = 2048;/size = 8192;/' RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin | 12:19 |
| Lantizia | instead of all my partitioning stuff I had to do with the old eMMC... that works a treat with the new eMMC | 12:19 |
| Lantizia | makes /home 8GB instead of 2GB | 12:19 |
| lcuk | neat trick | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | lol | 12:19 |
| MohammadAG51 | yeah | 12:19 |
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| lcuk | morning danielwilms | 12:21 |
| danielwilms | hey lcuk | 12:21 |
| danielwilms | :) | 12:21 |
| Lantizia | I find I'm using just over 2GB already... but then I've got openareana installed :) | 12:21 |
| danielwilms | lcuk: how's life? | 12:21 |
| lcuk | its good danielwilms, just trying to find a tool to write up some things i need. | 12:22 |
| danielwilms | lcuk: why searching...shouldn't be to hard to implement hehe | 12:23 |
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| lcuk | danielwilms, sure i can implement it (I have actually) i just want proper editable document | 12:24 |
| lcuk | this is for writing up a spec, not coding things ;) | 12:24 |
| * lcuk wants it to look good and be presented well | 12:25 | |
| danielwilms | :D | 12:25 |
| lcuk | i even have examples, i just dont know what to use to actually make new ones | 12:25 |
| lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_cal_UI_Ideas_Kalle/liqbase_cal_UI_8_monthedit.jpg | 12:25 |
| Jaffa | Morning, all | 12:26 |
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| lcuk | Kalle Lievejarve sent those over to me just before the summit last year, they have been rolling around head since as being the "right" way to present them | 12:26 |
| lcuk | and obviously ive been busy with other things ;) | 12:27 |
| alterego | g'moaning #maemo | 12:27 |
| lcuk | morning alterego | 12:27 |
| alterego | lcuk: what were you interested in wrt telepathy? | 12:27 |
| lcuk | alterego, at the time you vanished, Robot101 mentioned that interaction between telepathy and the sharing services was a bit hard. if you happen to be comfortable with both ends, perhaps some groundwork to tie them together would be great | 12:28 |
| alterego | Yeah, I was meaning to ask him if the roadmap for his project included that. Or whether it was worth me doing it myself. | 12:30 |
| lcuk | alterego, well have a talk with him :) | 12:30 |
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| alterego | I've finished the new version of my project, so I'm going to either move on to that or continue working on my maemo qa testers app. | 12:31 |
| Robot101 | alterego: the guy who wrote the file transfer app is taking summer vacations atm | 12:31 |
| Robot101 | alterego: so nothing much will happen for a while | 12:32 |
| Robot101 | alterego: but albanc was also considering some libsharing+tp stuff too | 12:32 |
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| lcuk | alterego, how is your current app going, you have a screenshot of the ui? | 12:32 |
| Robot101 | alterego: speak to him and he should be able to help anyway | 12:32 |
| alterego | Robot101: cool, I'll probably just do it myself then. Is his stuff open source? | 12:32 |
| Robot101 | alterego: the file transfer app? sure | 12:32 |
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| alterego | And is it C or Python? or C++? | 12:32 |
| Robot101 | its called monorail, is probably on git.collabora.co.uk under jonnylamb | 12:33 |
| Robot101 | and most likely in C | 12:33 |
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| alterego | Okay, thanks :) | 12:33 |
| Klio | i search script, or software, of network traffic monitor, help me pls. Thx | 12:33 |
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| alterego | The new version of my app has a donate button, which opens a browser and points to a paypal donation option. I think maybe I should, at some point, add the ability to remove that button? | 12:34 |
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| Duckboot | Klio: Personal Dataplan Monitor - It's in the repositories. | 12:34 |
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| alterego | It's more of an experiment rather than profiteering :D | 12:34 |
| Duckboot | Klio: Or did you want something more spesific? | 12:35 |
| Klio | Duckboot: thx | 12:35 |
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| Klio | i want see time connection | 12:35 |
| Duckboot | Klio: On what level? | 12:35 |
| Klio | thx i search and install PDM | 12:36 |
| Robot101 | alterego: I don't mind it for individuals but its a slippery slope for companies unless they have or can show a genuine pro-bono non-profit contribution to open source (and justify it) | 12:36 |
| Robot101 | alterego: like mozilla has the foundation | 12:36 |
| alterego | Yeah, I am an individual, an unemployed one at that :D | 12:37 |
| Duckboot | Robot101: The company which a work for made this contrib - And now it's used by Facebook and Twitter, and MANY other big sites. | 12:37 |
| Duckboot | s\which a\which I | 12:37 |
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| Robot101 | Duckboot: which? | 12:38 |
| Duckboot | Robot101: Sorry - forgot the link: http://www.varnish-software.com/ | 12:38 |
| Duckboot | Robot101: BSD-License if I recall correctly | 12:39 |
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| Robot101 | ah yes, cool | 12:40 |
| Duckboot | Robot101: I have even compiled, and tested Varnish on my N900 ;-P | 12:40 |
| Klio | Duckboot: PDM only gprs, i want see time connection 3g, o wi-fi, are there software ? | 12:41 |
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| Robot101 | I'm not sure what point you're making though - I know companies can do good - but also they make profit - so if they solicit donations they have to be very transparent about how the money is used (and not just to increase profit) | 12:41 |
| Duckboot | Klio: Not sure. Sorry. | 12:42 |
| Klio | Duckboot: np. thx | 12:42 |
| Robot101 | I run a company which I firmly believe to do good, I don't solicit donations towards any of our OSS work though, because I don't know how to show the money being used without revealing too much about our financials | 12:42 |
| Duckboot | Robot101: Oh - You mean a real non-profit organization | 12:42 |
| Robot101 | well - thats it - I don't know. :) | 12:43 |
| Robot101 | a full nonprofit would do | 12:43 |
| Robot101 | but I don't have time to make one | 12:43 |
| Robot101 | so atm, don't take donations | 12:43 |
| alterego | :) | 12:43 |
| Duckboot | ;-P | 12:43 |
| Robot101 | people have offered to donate collabora money but it always seemed broken to me | 12:43 |
| Robot101 | which is touching but I refused it | 12:44 |
| Duckboot | "Free as in Beer" | 12:44 |
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| alterego | I hope my donations don't ammount to too much, otherwise I may have to declare them or something :) | 12:44 |
| alterego | And it's not donate as in charity, the money will go on food and rent :D | 12:44 |
| alterego | And probably beer. | 12:44 |
| Duckboot | Beer is nutricious. | 12:45 |
| alterego | :) | 12:45 |
| Duckboot | And it is good for your hair. | 12:45 |
| Duckboot | \o/ | 12:45 |
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| lcuk | Duckboot, why waste good beer pouring it on your hair? | 12:45 |
| alterego | Hahah | 12:46 |
| Duckboot | lcuk: Internal use only, ofc | 12:46 |
| lcuk | the only internal hair i know is up your nose | 12:46 |
| lcuk | and i always sneeze when i get beer up there | 12:46 |
| alterego | So, my next two projects, the Telepathy "share with contact" plugin, and my maemo qa testers ui will be FOSS and no donate button. | 12:46 |
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| alterego | But I then will work on another app, which I plan to be a pay for. | 12:47 |
| Duckboot | Here is a though - A Desktop Widget which combines Mail, IM, SMS and MMS. | 12:47 |
| Duckboot | thought* | 12:47 |
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| alterego | Once, I come up with that killer idea. Though, I will continue to write fully FOSS maemo products. And the "Share with Contact" service, like the Media IM updater service is the kind of stuff I want to work on. Basically integrating normal maemo functionalty to make the platform more complete :) | 12:48 |
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| alterego | So for me, it's about enhancing the current functionality by integrating those components we already have, I find it quite fun and rewarding :) | 12:50 |
| lcuk | alterego, heh | 12:50 |
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| lcuk | Lantizia, ping | 12:51 |
| Lantizia | pong | 12:51 |
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| lcuk | heya - your nice little hack | 12:51 |
| Lantizia | what about it | 12:52 |
| lcuk | theres pondering occuring on whether it would actually overlap the other partitions | 12:52 |
| Lantizia | if you do a head -n 17 on the file | 12:52 |
| lcuk | which might not be noticed until you have data | 12:52 |
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| Lantizia | you'll see it specifies 768 for swap, 2048 for home... and doesn't specify size for MyDocs | 12:52 |
| lcuk | i havent got it to hand - its just a ponderment that was raised | 12:52 |
| Lantizia | the partition layout looks correct | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | imma try it soon | 12:53 |
| lcuk | reasonable enough - as i say just initial o_O things | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | 4096 should do | 12:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | 8192 is a lot | 12:53 |
| Lantizia | MohammadAG51, nah not if you install lots of games and things like perl from extras-devel | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | extras-devel has been enabled since day 1 | 12:54 |
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| alterego | Perl is a bit of a game yes :P | 12:54 |
| MohammadAG51 | quake 3's maps are in mydocs and symlinked to /home/user/.baseq3 | 12:54 |
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| MohammadAG51 | alterego, lol | 12:55 |
| lcuk | achievement unlocked: operating system in 3 lines | 12:55 |
| Lantizia | yeah in /home not MyDocs | 12:55 |
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| MohammadAG51 | lcuk, eww, xbox | 12:56 |
| alterego | I like my xbox :P | 12:56 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, want my output of sfdisk -f /dev/mmcblk0 for verification? | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, I hate you | 12:56 |
| alterego | rawr :'( | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | PS3s ftw | 12:56 |
| Lantizia | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pVSb7wcu | 12:56 |
| alterego | The XBox is the best product MS have done imo :P | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG51 | riiight, how many successful products have they done anyways | 12:57 |
| alterego | A lot | 12:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | windows vista eh? | 12:58 |
| alterego | They are the most successful software company on the planet btw :P | 12:58 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, i wouldnt know how to read it but thanks ill put it elsewhere :) | 12:58 |
| Lantizia | I wonder if microsoft would have been a lovable company if they made games from day one, right back with the Altair | 12:58 |
| Lantizia | i.e. instead of making OS's and apps | 12:58 |
| alterego | This is why, when I start my own s/w company I'm going to do it on the moon or in space, so I can have a better title. | 12:58 |
| lcuk | the OS is a game | 12:58 |
| lcuk | its got expansion packs and levels ;) | 12:58 |
| alterego | "The most successful software company in outer space (afaik)" | 12:59 |
| Lantizia | :) | 12:59 |
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| SpeedEvil | I have just one aim in life. | 12:59 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: AOL are evil :P | 13:00 |
| SpeedEvil | For my obituary to read '... the reclusive billionaire who for the past century had been living on the moon with his extensive harem of catgirls'. | 13:00 |
| alterego | hah | 13:00 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: can you pastebin df -h? | 13:01 |
| Lantizia | timeless, I've installed a number of packages first you realise :) | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: i only care about totals per volume | 13:01 |
| frals_ | alterego: ms best product is intellimouse explorer 3.0! ;-) | 13:01 |
| timeless_mbp | not wasted space per volume | 13:01 |
| Lantizia | timeless, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aAnBATGX | 13:02 |
| frals_ | mmmmmm coffee | 13:02 |
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| alterego | hahah | 13:02 |
| Lantizia | timeless, I would normally optify extra directories in /usr/share - but since Nokia have done pretty much about half the ones I'd normally optify in PR1.2 then I thought I'd leave it this time | 13:02 |
| Lantizia | else could free another 40MB on / | 13:03 |
| sandst1 | frals: thx for reminding, i'm a few cups behind on the daily caffeine-overload x) | 13:03 |
| timeless_mbp | Lantizia: yeah, i'm not interested in what you've moved where, only the partitioning | 13:03 |
| Lantizia | timeless, I'm just saying I haven't moved anything :) | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | we were just curious about the general intelligence of the nokia script you hacked | 13:04 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems like it's not as dumb as we expected | 13:04 |
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| Lantizia | it's important to note the old eMMC image didn't have these instructions at the top of the file | 13:04 |
| Lantizia | with the old eMMC you have to flash it and repartition after ... but since pre-PR1.2 it'll allow you to repartition the eMMC and it'll come back after a reboot it's not an issue - with PR1.2 if you repartition the eMMC and reboot it flips out :S | 13:05 |
| Lantizia | tweaking the eMMC flash image is a more elegant solution anyway | 13:06 |
| * timeless_mbp nods | 13:06 | |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, the mozilla people would probably appreciate your emmc partition change bits | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure they're running out of space :) | 13:06 |
| Lantizia | back in december it took me forever to work out how to repartition it - felt really happy when I worked it out | 13:06 |
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| Lantizia | and now it's all meaningless with one sed command :( | 13:07 |
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| tybollt | mozilla bloated | 13:08 |
| tybollt | naaaaw nevar | 13:08 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, not meaningless, you simply found a more elegent way to deal with the change you wanted to do | 13:08 |
| alterego | So meego is going webkit, hope mobile firefox sticks around :) | 13:08 |
| lcuk | even if thats a hack atm | 13:08 |
| Lantizia | lcuk, I don't know how you can call it a hack - it's changing a script concatenated at the start of a binary image | 13:09 |
| Lantizia | seems legitimate to me | 13:09 |
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| alterego | Seems more like a crack to me :P | 13:09 |
| lcuk | Lantizia, sure | 13:09 |
| lcuk | alterego, old fashioned script kiddie stuff, changing captions in games to say "alterego was ere" :D | 13:10 |
| alterego | Cool, ofono is a Telepathy service :) | 13:10 |
| Lantizia | What I believe is... it formats the _ENTIRE_ eMMC as FAT32 (no partitions) and then after makes partitions 2 and 3 (home and swap) and a disused 4 | 13:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<Lantizia> DocScrutinizer, two liner? one liner you mean) heh, that's poor | 13:10 |
| Lantizia | but because FAT32 doesn't have a beginning and an end... it doesn't matter | 13:10 |
| achipa | Lantizia: but /usr/share is so full of useful and oft-used content ! Like the flash tutorial or the T&C for all languages known to man ! | 13:11 |
| alterego | achipa: except esperanto | 13:11 |
| alterego | And Iraqi | 13:11 |
| Lantizia | achipa, these I reckon can still be moved... "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" | 13:11 |
| Lantizia | if fonts and themes can be moved and it can still boot ... then so can sounds | 13:12 |
| achipa | Lantizia: cherry cherry :) | 13:12 |
| Lantizia | save about 30M that way | 13:12 |
| timeless_mbp | how does moving something from one bucket to another save anything? | 13:13 |
| timeless_mbp | don't you typically save space by deleting? | 13:13 |
| achipa | alterego: obviously, I was exaggerating. Klingon and Sindarin are also plainly missing. | 13:13 |
| Lantizia | timeless, saves space on / by moving it to the eMMC | 13:13 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 13:13 | |
| Lantizia | timeless, helpful for installing more packages that need a little bit of space on / for things like binaries and libraries | 13:13 |
| achipa | timeless_mbp: it saves hardcoded Nokia stuff from borking | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | better to get those things not to install to / | 13:14 |
| achipa | (when it runs into missing files) | 13:14 |
| Lantizia | timeless, you can't do that for the main binaries and libraries however - not easily | 13:14 |
| * timeless_mbp shrugs | 13:14 | |
| Lantizia | so better to move what isn't either off it | 13:14 |
| achipa | timeless_mbp: except these things are preinstalled | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | generally wrong | 13:14 |
| timeless_mbp | achipa: so? | 13:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | Lantizia's goal is to enable pigs to install to / | 13:15 |
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| Lantizia | pigs?! | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | it seems better for the pigs to install to <not>/ | 13:15 |
| DrGrov | Hello | 13:15 |
| Lantizia | timeless, and you're going to achieve that how? | 13:15 |
| timeless_mbp | build w/ --prefix | 13:15 |
| Lantizia | well I certainly cba to do that | 13:15 |
| achipa | timeless_mbp: so you cannot just delete/remove them less you risk package/application borkage (talking stricktly about Nokia packages here) | 13:15 |
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| DrGrov | Is there any good way to get a overview of Profile/WiFi/Bluetooth with a widget or so? Not need always to access the battery bar? | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | achipa: we aren't really talking about nokia packages | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | they aren't really that interesting | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | you can actually delete files from nokia packages | 13:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | most piggy pig is Nokia by nstalling things like first_steps_tut to / | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | apt doesn't care | 13:16 |
| timeless_mbp | it will still update the package as long as it claims to be there | 13:16 |
| achipa | timeless_mbp: "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" (+cherry) | 13:16 |
| achipa | timeless_mbp: "locale mime nokia-maps sounds tutorial-applet zoneinfo" (+cherry) | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | achipa: just delete those files | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | and stop wasting space | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | don't uninstall the packages | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | just delete the files | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | shall i repeat again? | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | (do keep the locales you actually need...) | 13:17 |
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| DrGrov | Anyone not thought about making such a widget that I propose? Not need always to check whether something is on or off... | 13:17 |
| achipa | is there a tune you can do that to ? :) | 13:17 |
| timeless_mbp | apt does not *care* at all if files are missing | 13:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: sounds is more likely to be needed *very* early in boot than either fonts or locale | 13:18 |
| achipa | timeless_mbp: there are apps that DO (cherry cherry cola, as I personally discovered) | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | http://vimeo.com/9693926 has some music | 13:18 |
| Lantizia | DocScrutinizer, well they're only 3.3MB | 13:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: I told you the bare bones system acting_dead on charge is probably accessing a sound for battery charge signallinfg | 13:18 |
| DrGrov | Ok, I will talk with someone that actually is interested then | 13:18 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm not sure offhand how many pieces cherry actually hooks, but it's likely that you can replace its hook points and then delete the rest | 13:19 |
| timeless_mbp | but really, it shouldn't matter | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | if you're trying to install 200mb of shared libraries for other apps | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | they won't fit on / | 13:20 |
| timeless_mbp | if you make /opt bigger and arrange for them to install to /opt, then they'll fit there | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | wasting hours trying to prune a tree might be interesting | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | but more often than not, it's a complete waste of time | 13:21 |
| DrGrov | the pre-MeeGo tablets demo I am watching now which was linked from maemo.org. Will that actually be the UI perhaps even for the N900? | 13:21 |
| DrGrov | http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/item/11706_Pre-alpha_MeeGo_for_tablets_de.php | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | DrGrov: is this #meego? | 13:22 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: oh, just thought i'd ask for fun. nothing more. sorry about that. | 13:22 |
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| * timeless_mbp doesn't think it's fun | 13:22 | |
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| Corsac | DrGrov: tablet != handset | 13:22 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: ok, i will not say it is fun then. i will say nothing more about meego nor something related to that. | 13:23 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: seem like cranky today, eh? | 13:23 |
| timeless_mbp | i am | 13:24 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: ok, then i will not say more irritating things since i know how it feels like to be cranky. | 13:24 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: sorry about that :) | 13:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | but please try to keep the borders straight in general | 13:25 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: yes, i will try my best. it was just so fun to see that video so i got excited about it in general. | 13:25 |
| timeless_mbp | excitement is nice, but it needs to be directed appropriately | 13:25 |
| tybollt | must... not.. make... rapist... joke... >:) | 13:26 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: agreed, that was completely my mistake going off-topic. | 13:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | border patrol is aproaching with flashing read and blue lights | 13:26 |
| DrGrov | DAMN you DocScrutinizer! LOL | 13:26 |
| timeless_mbp | s/read/red/ | 13:27 |
| DrGrov | You sent the idiots to catch me, I trusted you... | 13:27 |
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| DrGrov | Even you my DocScrutinizer? Even you? | 13:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops | 13:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hehehe | 13:27 |
| DrGrov | Humor is good, very good :) | 13:27 |
| * DrGrov hugs timeless_mbp | 13:27 | |
| DrGrov | Oh, wtf did I do wrong now then? | 13:28 |
| DrGrov | No hugging allowed either? | 13:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Depends where you put the tongue. | 13:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 13:28 |
| tybollt | :-D | 13:29 |
| DrGrov | SpeedEvil: ah you dirty man. i just waited for you to show your face and get the dirty things going | 13:29 |
| DrGrov | :D | 13:29 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: you need some cheering up? i got a few good clips to show that might actually get you out of that cranky mood | 13:29 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a useless party soon | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | and there's a soccer game tonight | 13:30 |
| * timeless_mbp should get lunch | 13:30 | |
| timeless_mbp | currently, i'm a bit saddened, i finally finished a task | 13:30 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: s,soccer,football, _please_ | 13:30 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: perhaps you have a solution to my current problem? i see on this screenshot that there is a WiFi shortcut on the desktop but I do not know how to get one there myself. | 13:30 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: football is ambiguous | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | DrGrov: there is an app in extras or somewhere | 13:31 |
| obsidieth | just out of curiosity, what is involvd with getting irssi running with perl scripting enabled | 13:31 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: is not | 13:31 |
| DrGrov | http://static.maemo.org/static/f/fd6d93ee7dd611df81e00b2f6def10921092_thumbnail_screenshot-20100329-131450.png | 13:31 |
| obsidieth | ive installed perl, but it seems i might have to rebuild irssi? | 13:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: sorry I don't know it (yet) | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | the last two visitors i've had are American Football players playing American Football here in Finland | 13:31 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: no worries :) | 13:31 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: It's not. See http://lh5.ggpht.com/_APjgPmP_12w/SZEkmZuG1CI/AAAAAAAAEc0/mZzSuIDvRR0/Handegg_thumb4.jpg for help | 13:31 |
| silbo_____ | iiivul | 13:31 |
| tybollt | SpeedEvil++ | 13:31 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: good food always cheers up :) | 13:31 |
| silbo_____ | iivuldiivul | 13:32 |
| silbo_____ | and sexy woman | 13:32 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: good stuff - lets all have mämmi and some whipped cream! | 13:32 |
| silbo_____ | and naked woman | 13:32 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: F*** NO for mämmi! | 13:32 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: lol | 13:32 |
| tybollt | mmmh mämmi | 13:32 |
| * timeless_mbp wonders what m?mmi is | 13:32 | |
| DrGrov | i take a big chunk of snus under my lip and it is better than some mämmi | 13:33 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: beware of the mämmi power | 13:33 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, heya, question - can i change my cloak to something other than community? :) | 13:33 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: it is black goo look-a-like desert | 13:33 |
| SpeedEvil | And cement! | 13:33 |
| tybollt | DrGrov: don't be daft - he knows perfectly fine what mämmi is :) | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: no | 13:33 |
| X-Fade | ;) | 13:33 |
| lcuk | bah! | 13:33 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: i am not daft you finnish juntti :) lol | 13:33 |
| DrGrov | tybollt: ah, he tried to trick me? damn him! :) | 13:34 |
| lcuk | hows it goin this morning X-Fade | 13:34 |
| X-Fade | iptables not doing what I want. | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | tybollt: m <question> m m i? | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | no, i don't | 13:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: what's wrong with community? | 13:34 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, adding new domains? | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't have a corrective algorithm for random letter sequences | 13:35 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: it is black goo-like desert that has a strong taste. tasted good with whipped cream. very much sugar. | 13:35 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: forwarding some ports to some VMs. | 13:35 |
| jaska | mämmi... nom nom nom | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | so, basically, it's junk which tastes good w/ sweeteners | 13:35 |
| timeless_mbp | great | 13:35 |
| DrGrov | no mämmi! | 13:35 |
| DrGrov | snuuuuuus! | 13:35 |
| DrGrov | :) | 13:35 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: spot on, not need any fancy explanation about mämmi. it is just junk :) | 13:36 |
| lcuk | lol DocScrutinizer nothing at all | 13:36 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, ahh is this obs stuff again | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | why not skip the junk and go straight for the sweeteners? | 13:36 |
| tybollt | timeless_mbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: m ? m m i is eqiv to m{2,3}i | 13:36 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yes | 13:36 |
| DrGrov | i wonder how i will survive midsummer without any #maemo nor maemo apps? :/ | 13:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: you're sure it's not some rotten fish or the like? | 13:38 |
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| loufoque | what does extended call log actually add compared to the regular call log? | 13:38 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: yeah, it is not rotten fish | 13:38 |
| tybollt | mmmh surströmming | 13:38 |
| DrGrov | loufoque: you can see all calls | 13:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, yes. That was the name | 13:38 |
| jaska | hakarl? | 13:38 |
| DrGrov | nuuska! | 13:38 |
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| loufoque | DrGrov: I can see that in the normal call log as well | 13:39 |
| DrGrov | timeless_mbp: you should try the nuuska | 13:39 |
| * timeless_mbp should try lunch | 13:40 | |
| DrGrov | loufoque: yes but not the whole list of calls. with advanced call log you see each call as separate. | 13:40 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer: you're not allowed to board an airplane w/ surströmming anymore - considered too explosive | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: drop community and get unafiliated | 13:41 |
| tybollt | (that's not a joke :) | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | tybollt: lol | 13:41 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, im very afiliated tho :) | 13:41 |
| loufoque | DrGrov: indeed, it appears it's merged | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder if surströmming is considered worse than antrax | 13:42 |
| jaska | bioweapon | 13:42 |
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| lardman | morning | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | moo lardman | 13:43 |
| tybollt | surströmming is not a bioweapon | 13:44 |
| tybollt | the problem is that the fish expands a lot during fermenting | 13:44 |
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| tybollt | so yes in rare and bizarre case she cans have been known to explode | 13:45 |
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| lardman | hey docscrutinizer | 13:51 |
| * lardman finally found some time to do some work on mBarcode, nice feeling | 13:52 | |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody found blue indicator LED not flashing on new msgs in PR1.2? o.O | 13:53 |
| lcuk | lardman, lots of us are finding time to do things | 13:54 |
| mord | doesn't seem to blink on instant messages (can't remember if it did before though) | 13:55 |
| * lcuk is stressing to find a document editor that makes nice layouts tho | 13:55 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest to the poor guy saurabh on [devel] he should check his settings - indicator-light, then see if he gets white or maybe orange breathing and power-on indicator, and if it's orange he probably has a hw defect | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | But I'd like to hear a WFM for blue SMS / mail flashing indicator on 1.2 first | 13:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | guys? gals? | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmmm | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 13:59 |
| infobot | :), DocScrutinizer | 13:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | c'mon, it's really that stupid and simple a question: have you seen blue flashing indicator on PR1.2? anybody? ever? | 14:01 |
| frals_ | uh | 14:01 |
| frals_ | mine is flashing blue for new sms im pretty sure | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: yes | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | thanks | 14:01 |
| tybollt | yeah mine too | 14:04 |
| tybollt | really anything that needs to alert you when the phone is sleeping/screen locked | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | holy fscking mother of gahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. i just got a papercut on my tongue whilst licking a rollup | 14:11 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: ow | 14:11 |
| mgedmin | smoking is dangerous to your health ;) | 14:12 |
| tybollt | lcuk: :D | 14:12 |
| lcuk | in more ways than one! this is undocumented and more immediate | 14:13 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - there is spontaneous human combustion. | 14:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: SUE!! | 14:13 |
| lcuk | that implies i am human o_O | 14:13 |
| frals_ | lcuk: serves you right for smoking ;-) | 14:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer lights up the VanNelle spliff | 14:14 | |
| lardman | docscrutinizer: re blue light, works for me with sms at least | 14:15 |
| lcuk | tell you what frals, ill try and stop if you code up the specs im writing now :p | 14:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: thanks. Already answerd the poor guys misplaced question (how is that [devel]? :-S ) | 14:15 |
| lardman | yeah | 14:15 |
| frals_ | lcuk: bah! ;) | 14:16 |
| lardman | np | 14:16 |
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| * lcuk might just use the posh template with sketches in the middle of it | 14:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | posh spice? | 14:19 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, nahh nicer templates i got, im trying to find an editor to allow me to writeup things properly and just keep coming back to pushing them out directly from liqbase cos its just easier | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lick posh - I see :-P | 14:22 |
| lcuk | :D there are worse things to lick | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | http://tiddlywiki.com/ | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | I find useful | 14:22 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, nice - at the moment, ive got all my sketches and notes as little elements - i need to combine them to make proper outlines | 14:23 |
| * lcuk has a sketch to svg, but web svg support is somewhat slow | 14:24 | |
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| alludus | how do i remap Aring key into Alt key on 2 arrow kb? | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's possibly not 100% appopriate - but it has nice ideas | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | alludus: err, please rephrase | 14:31 |
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| alludus | I need to remap Å-> Aring key into Alt key | 14:32 |
| alterego | Holy crap, Nokia are allowing individuals to publish to Ovi now! | 14:32 |
| alterego | schweet! | 14:32 |
| alludus | on two arrow keyboard | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | alludus: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG51 | alterego, hasn't it always been that way? | 14:33 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, indeed it does :) and it matches with something else i am considering | 14:34 |
| * lcuk is learning lots about the web | 14:34 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | moo mo | 14:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anybody got a N8 USB adaper for me? | 14:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | heard those critters ship with N8 | 14:42 |
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| haltdef | covered in bees~ | 14:51 |
| alterego | DocScrutinizer: is it just a gender changer for the normal USB cable? | 14:52 |
| achipa | kid you not, it's scary, they are even closer than last time http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=720387&postcount=416 | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | alterego: probably | 14:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'd like to see and check one, to know for sure | 14:52 |
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| ghostcube | sup peoples | 14:53 |
| alterego | Anyhow, bbl | 14:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | achipa: don't wear black, stay cool, call fire brigades | 14:54 |
| * achipa not wearing black: check, stay cool: check, fire brigade: what fire brigade ? | 14:54 | |
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| achipa | (3rd neighbor keeps bees, probably are his, so no need to panic, probably just didn't notice they are prepping to swarm) | 14:57 |
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| DrGrov | Damn this Internet! | 14:59 |
| DrGrov | I am going to seek revenge against my ISP. Cables are always in the way. | 14:59 |
| DrGrov | ARGH! Vacuuming in front of the router is not a clever idea | 14:59 |
| haj | DrGrov: don't worry too much... it's just a hype, it's going to be gone soon.. :) | 14:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: ok, then probably it's not a swarm of african killer bees :-) | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | achipa: nice pics btw | 15:00 |
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| ghostcube | any rollercoaster news or other cool games or programms :) | 15:01 |
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| Dassu | can anobody here provide an alternative to flash for youtube? | 15:05 |
| Dassu | Zoutube doesn't work for all videos | 15:05 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: thx | 15:06 |
| achipa | DrGrov: the same goes for life support equipment (vacuuming) ! | 15:06 |
| zaheerm | i'm working on a fix for zoutube...youtube changed their html..expect to see a new version in extras-testing by the weekend | 15:06 |
| achipa | zaheerm: are you scraping or using the youtube api ? | 15:06 |
| zaheerm | achipa, the youtube api doesn't tell you what formats are available for a specific video | 15:07 |
| zaheerm | achipa, so some stuff needs to be scraped | 15:07 |
| Dassu | zaheerm: :o oke | 15:07 |
| zaheerm | that's actaully the only scraping i am doing, the rest is witht he api | 15:07 |
| achipa | zaheerm: I see... didn't know, I just used the API for flashlauncher | 15:08 |
| haj | zaheerm: ah.. nice.. I was just trying to use zoutube like an hour ago and was annoyed that it didn't work. looking forward to the new version. | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | LMAO XP N8 stylus... ->"" This should be a better solution than sausages, which are quickly becoming popular in South Korea for the use with capacitive screens"" | 15:08 |
| Dassu | zaheerm: any word on real full screen with zoutube? | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/04/28/a-look-at-3-new-n8-accessories/#more-2164 | 15:08 |
| zaheerm | Dassu, the latest one in extras-testing uses the built in media player which ahs full-screen | 15:08 |
| zaheerm | Dassu, but due to youtube changing their html, i need to change zoutube code | 15:09 |
| Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: I like my pink pogo stylus | 15:09 |
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| haj | DocScrutinizer: haha... a "totenschläger"-stylus.. :) | 15:10 |
| Myrtti | or pogo sketch or whatever it's called | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | haj: close - "Totschläger" | 15:11 |
| haj | http://www.copquest.com/25-3100.jpg | 15:11 |
| haj | DocScrutinizer: it's a hard word to spell... :) | 15:11 |
| Dassu | zaheerm: oke, thanks for info. | 15:12 |
| haj | ah.. and it seems to be a common error to spell it totenschläger in Denmark.. 2030 hits on google, only 138 danish hits on "totschläger".. stupid Denmarkians... :) | 15:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway a totenschlaeger would be quite useless, the dead don't need to be beaten anymore | 15:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | while tot is to be dead which makes more sense | 15:28 |
| haj | DocScrutinizer: :) | 15:29 |
| haj | DocScrutinizer: anyway, the stylus looks a bit silly... I like the one on the N900. I'm a bit amazed that I didn't missplace it somewhere yet.. | 15:30 |
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| crashanddie | I misplaced mine a couple days ago | 15:32 |
| crashanddie | greetings, earthlings | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I'm using it quite rarely, so chances to lose it are rare. In case I have a spare that a Nokia service droid 'forgot' in the return package during last repair | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | greetings oh master | 15:33 |
| haj | uhm .. havn't had any repairs yet... but mine is only 3months old or so... what did you get repaired? the USBport issue? | 15:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nope. Flat cable body to screen. also a not so rare problem | 15:34 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | at least that's what I guess they fixed. The repair papers weren't very verbose on nature of problem or type of fix | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: and did it turn up again? | 15:38 |
| crashanddie | just now actually, I just looked under the couch | 15:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: you got a CA-157 for me? :-D | 15:41 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | (N8 adapter OTG) | 15:41 |
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| crashanddie | nope | 15:42 |
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| Surfa | i found my stylus in the couch one day | 15:43 |
| Surfa | after looking for it couple of days | 15:43 |
| crashanddie | now if only I could find my zippo again | 15:44 |
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| tybollt | I had a zippo once | 15:46 |
| haj | but you lost it? :) | 15:46 |
| tybollt | oh yes | 15:46 |
| tybollt | I was in the boyscouts... it was very usefull... the only thing that would always light me a fire no matter what :) | 15:47 |
| tybollt | but this was >20 years ago :P | 15:47 |
| haj | it's annoying losing things.... the most annoying thing I ever lost was my first 9300i, that I hadn't backed up for like 6 months.... grrr! | 15:47 |
| tybollt | oi | 15:48 |
| haj | reminds me that I still havn't set up my N900 to do automatic rsyncs nightly when it's connected to my home wifi.. ;) | 15:48 |
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| crashanddie | haj & tybollt: well, it's probably in my gf's bag or something | 15:49 |
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| crashanddie | I know she took when we last went for tennis, so it's probably not "lost", just "temporarily misplaced" | 15:50 |
| crashanddie | anyway, gotta run, later | 15:50 |
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| haj | crashanddie: nah.. I lost .. and now he leaves.. oh well, i lost it in a street called "Pusherstreet" in Christiania (Copenhagen)... ;) | 15:51 |
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| GAN900 | I love Engadget calling iOS's fake multitasking so amazing. | 16:11 |
| pronto | o.O cisco? | 16:11 |
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| FauxFaux | i(Phone)OS. | 16:11 |
| pronto | oh haha | 16:12 |
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| * FauxFaux read ios first too. :p | 16:12 | |
| pronto | lol | 16:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | incredible. now the charger died just in time to send it in for repair together with the N900 | 16:13 |
| Appiah | what did you do with the n900? | 16:14 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, I tell you, they know. | 16:14 |
| BCMM | it died of a broken heart | 16:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | bah, why? I used it all the time | 16:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Appiah: me nothing. Nokia broke the powerswitch while repairing it | 16:18 |
| tybollt | still didn't get that fixed? | 16:18 |
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| tybollt | DocScrutinizer51: I told you you need to go all apeshit on their asses :) | 16:19 |
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| tybollt | ah you're sending it | 16:19 |
| Appiah | so you gave it to nokia to repair something and meanwhile they broke the switch? :) | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | tybollt: I didn't want to send it in again as long as no spare. Now I got a spare since 2 days :) | 16:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Appiah: yep | 16:20 |
| tybollt | you finally caught the DHL-guy then? | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 16:21 |
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| tybollt | good stuff | 16:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sure | 16:21 |
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| alterego | wow, that was an essay ... :D | 16:28 |
| alterego | I hope I don't come acrfoss like too much of a Nokia fanboi ^_^ | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | alterego: eh? | 16:31 |
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| alterego | DocScrutinizer51 my tmo post | 16:34 |
| alterego | With reams of of spelling and gramatical errors. | 16:34 |
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| Lantizia | FauxFaux, I love how Apple have has to not only license iPhone from Cisco but not iOS as well :) | 16:40 |
| Lantizia | s/not/now | 16:40 |
| tybollt | ah | 16:40 |
| tybollt | so they do license ios? | 16:40 |
| Lantizia | Cisco should start a new division buying up likely Apple trademarks and selling them | 16:41 |
| tybollt | I was thinking for a bit "how in the HELL can cisco accept the use of iOS?" | 16:41 |
| Lantizia | tybollt, They license the use of both of the names | 16:41 |
| tybollt | heh | 16:41 |
| ghostcube | apple is more worse than google | 16:41 |
| Lantizia | Linksys owned a Wi-FI phone called iPhone (now Cisco) and IOS is the name of Cisco's OS | 16:41 |
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| ghostcube | they changed the privacy policy | 16:41 |
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| Corsac | maybe apple is buying cisco | 16:48 |
| Appiah | that's a scary scenario | 16:49 |
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| tybollt | I don't see that happening | 16:50 |
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| tybollt | apple is so far a lot of "bubble" monneh | 16:50 |
| tybollt | cisco is real monneh | 16:50 |
| Corsac | hum | 16:51 |
| korhojoa | hmm. | 16:51 |
| tybollt | read apple is all hype | 16:51 |
| tybollt | zOMG apple!111 | 16:51 |
| korhojoa | anyone have really wobbly ping times to their n900? | 16:51 |
| GAN900 | It's too bad Apple has such great hardware | 16:52 |
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| korhojoa | no? | 16:53 |
| korhojoa | damn. i can't get ssh to work well | 16:53 |
| korhojoa | it takes forever to do anything when it's so unstable | 16:53 |
| Appiah | loosing connection? | 16:53 |
| korhojoa | it's like using the internet on a train | 16:53 |
| korhojoa | using wifi, not losing connection | 16:54 |
| korhojoa | just very glitychy | 16:54 |
| korhojoa | glitchy | 16:54 |
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| korhojoa | Minimum = 5ms, Maximum = 1986ms, Average = 211ms | 16:55 |
| Appiah | :) | 16:56 |
| X-Fade | korhojoa: Check powersaving on your AP. | 16:56 |
| Appiah | 5ms - 1986ms | 16:56 |
| GAN900 | Just wish their software didn't suck so much | 16:57 |
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| korhojoa | X-Fade: it doesn't matter which ap i'm using | 16:57 |
| GAN900 | Nokia clearly isn't interested in my continued business | 16:57 |
| korhojoa | X-Fade: it worked fine in the past, then a month or two ago it decided to stop working properly | 16:58 |
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| X-Fade | korhojoa: Running PR1.2? | 16:58 |
| korhojoa | X-Fade: yup | 16:58 |
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| korhojoa | it was wonky before 1.2 | 16:59 |
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| E0x | damn my headset stop get detected by my phone | 17:07 |
| E0x | i can buy a replacement what find as headset too ? ( i really like the original ) | 17:07 |
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| Khertan | Hi ! | 17:08 |
| flux | e0x, I'm sure you can atleast buy second hand. I haven't used mine, for instance. although possibly they are available otherwise as well.. | 17:08 |
| Khertan | I see that now ovi store is open to individual developpers | 17:08 |
| Khertan | a bit late :) | 17:08 |
| Myrtti | surely it's open for all the platforms, not just maemo | 17:09 |
| nidO | no need for a vat number finally? | 17:09 |
| Myrtti | so I'm not sure if the "a bit late" comment is warranted | 17:09 |
| Khertan | nidO, they ask one :) | 17:09 |
| Khertan | even for individual developpers :) | 17:10 |
| Khertan | hihi | 17:10 |
| nidO | still not really open for individual developers then :p | 17:10 |
| Khertan | Myrtti, what you mean by warranted ? | 17:10 |
| Myrtti | Khertan: called for | 17:10 |
| Myrtti | bit late for what? | 17:10 |
| nidO | bit late as in bloody slow | 17:11 |
| nidO | the ovi store's been open, what, over a year? | 17:11 |
| nidO | and only just now allowing non-big-businesses to submit apps to it | 17:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | E0x: odds are it's your N900 receptacle and not the headset which causes the detecting issue | 17:11 |
| Khertan | Myrtti, a bit late as noone anymore on maemo plateform or meego believe anymore on the ovi store :) | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | bloody slow, that I can understand, but late? again, late for what? | 17:11 |
| nidO | for not missing the boat | 17:11 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer51: what ? | 17:11 |
| E0x | sorry i don't understand | 17:11 |
| RST38h | Nokia's premier range of devices, the N Series, will bid adieu to the Symbian operating environment and go MeeGo full time after the introduction of the N8 | 17:12 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, I've found that headsets are infact can easily get damaged. I think I'm using my fourth pair of sony headsets now.. | 17:12 |
| RST38h | AGAIN | 17:12 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer51: hmm you say the problem is not my headset and is my phone ? | 17:13 |
| E0x | i try another headphone and get detected | 17:13 |
| E0x | but i don't try another headset | 17:13 |
| flux | docscrutinizer51, ah I suppose you mean that the mechanical switch that should still work in any case.. | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | if headset isn't detected then you should try with arbitrary other headphone/set | 17:13 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | E0x: well if other headphone is detected then probably the original one is actually broken | 17:15 |
| E0x | DocScrutinizer51: that is what i think too | 17:15 |
| puzzled | hi | 17:15 |
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| E0x | DocScrutinizer51: a headphone ( just speakers ) is get detected and working just fine | 17:17 |
| E0x | maybe i will try find some headset to test it too | 17:17 |
| E0x | ( spearks and mic ) | 17:17 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | test av-cable with TV | 17:18 |
| E0x | ok | 17:18 |
| X-Fade | The buttons are just a resistance, right? | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | should get pretty clear bright picture. stable. no shadows or jitter | 17:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: holdbutton hs? | 17:19 |
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| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: Yes. | 17:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | short mic to gnd | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: With variable resistance. | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mic = 3. contact | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | Different value for every button. | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just short | 17:20 |
| SpeedEvil | There is only one button. | 17:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I got just one button | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | Not on other headsets made by nokia at least. | 17:21 |
| X-Fade | They had vol up/down too. | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | ♥ telephone calls to mum | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | other phones | 17:21 |
| Myrtti | what was I saying | 17:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there are probably different methods for multibutton headsets | 17:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | restistance one of them | 17:22 |
| Myrtti | Khertan: Ovi store isn't only for Maemo or Meego, and in relation to the amount of headsets sold using those OS's it's a drip in the ocean, so that might be the reason why the development team of Ovi haven't considered the lifespan of N900 a hard deadline for implementing an arbitrary rule. | 17:23 |
| Myrtti | not that I know of these things, but I can speculate as anyone can | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: a much better method would be slow serial data 'morsed' via mic short to gnd | 17:24 |
| ghostcube | folks i know nokia is slow as hell, but when are the games announced in all the damn vids be available o.O | 17:24 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer51: I've heard that too before. | 17:24 |
| ghostcube | *will | 17:24 |
| Appiah | what games? | 17:24 |
| Appiah | what vids? | 17:24 |
| ghostcube | -.- | 17:25 |
| ghostcube | afk | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | X-Fade: particularly far and in a call will hear :-) | 17:25 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah what games, what vids, what announcements... | 17:28 |
| ShadowJK | I didn't think nokia made games anymore :-) | 17:28 |
| MohammadAG | Snake | 17:28 |
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| Khertan | Myrtti, do not accept individuals developpers is an arbitrary rules ? Funny | 17:29 |
| MohammadAG | is the autobuilder down or something? Xarchiver shouldn't take so long to compile... | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | anyway I asked at Nokia competence center for CA-157 or *any* other OTG cable or adapter. Not available | 17:29 |
| ghostcube | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/23/android-dual-boot-could-make-nokia-n900-jack-of-two-trades/ is there any affort to this till now | 17:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | NOTHING available | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | Khertan: I'm not claiming it can't be done quickly, the decision, I'm just saying that ... let me check so I don't misquote you | 17:30 |
| ShadowJK | I suspect there's little effort on android, and it's probably a huge task | 17:30 |
| ghostcube | DocScrutinizer51: ;( | 17:31 |
| Khertan | Myrtti, noway do not waste your time ... i ll keep my position :) | 17:31 |
| Khertan | and must go on :) bye | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | ... | 17:32 |
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| Myrtti | yeah. Ovi store was made only for Maemo software. | 17:32 |
| RST38h | Khertan,Myrtti: OviStore vs AntiOviStore? | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Myrtti: (((: | 17:32 |
| ghostcube | Appiah: this damn rollercoaster thingy i want to play for testing at least, and it was announced weeeeeeks ago :) | 17:32 |
| ghostcube | the others get boring | 17:32 |
| ghostcube | :D | 17:32 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I couldn't care less of the bloody Ovi Store, they've got nothing for my old handset. | 17:32 |
| Myrtti | incidentally, they have nothing for my new handset either, but that's not their fault - they are allowed to limit the selection to software for Nokia handsets | 17:33 |
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| Appiah | never heard of ghostcube | 17:33 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: I would like to point it out that the problem with Ovi Store is not the lack of Maemo support | 17:34 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: The problem is that they make it so bloody difficult and expensive to publish stuff there that NOBODY except their really really preferred subcontractors will go through the trouble | 17:34 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Maemo or Symbian or PC, does not matter | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ovostore sucks big time | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: I'm not denying that, even if I don't have any experience of it myself. | 17:35 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: If Ovi were the only possible distribution channel, the people would curse Nokia but jump through the loops. Some of them (a few) would even publish | 17:36 |
| ShadowJK | looking at tmo, ovi store makes it pretty difficult yto buy apps too | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | impossible | 17:36 |
| GAN900 | Throws weird errors about tmp being filled that mean nothing. | 17:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | there's just no app that's NOT 'free' | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: But the way it is, it is easier for me to just self-sign my Symbian package, and use a CC processing company + website to sell it | 17:36 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: Or use some third party app store like Handango | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, some level packs for games iirc | 17:37 |
| ShadowJK | and sygic maps if you're crazo enough not to buy straight from sygic | 17:37 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: So, yes, Ovi is probably going down the drain, pretty soon, as soon as the current app store craze passes over. | 17:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: nope. sygic is 'free' | 17:38 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: what I'm saying is that "ovi store is finally open for individual developers, *a bit late* [...] *for Maemo or Meego*" is a valid opinion, and I probably agree with it, but I don't think that the developers of Ovi Store made it "possible" for individual developers to put their software in the bloody thing because it was something Maemo community demanded, Ovi store wasn't made for only Maemo products. | 17:39 |
| ShadowJK | i guess it's a demo | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | last time I checked. Thought fsckU I know it costs $ and wanna know how much, not dl free test version to earn oops it's a teaser | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | anyway I'm not sure if I can ... hold on, lost a word | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Learn | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | anyway I'm not sure I can communicate what I'm trying to too well, so I'll just continue on doing my own stuff and you go back doing whatever you were doing | 17:40 |
| ShadowJK | Ovi just inherited the hobbyist-hostility of symbian :-) | 17:40 |
| Myrtti | ShadowJK: yup | 17:40 |
| Appiah | good thing we can get applications from other places then OVI then | 17:41 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Ah of course not, who the hell cares about Maemo community "demands"? | 17:42 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: I guess it is just starting to become evident to the Ovi people that they are doing something majorly wrong. So, they are trying to change the course of the ship | 17:43 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: yup, and as we all know, big ships turn slow | 17:44 |
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| RST38h | Myrtti: Yea, my bet is that they are gonna hit the iceberg. | 17:44 |
| Myrtti | RST38h: out of worry for my countrymen, I hope not. | 17:45 |
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| luke-jr | does a sundial require a circle to represent a half-day? | 17:46 |
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| luke-jr | or can one make a 24-hour sundial | 17:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: ?? o.O | 17:47 |
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| nidO | if one can find a place that's sunny 24 hours a day, yet still has the sun rising and setting, im sure one could | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | DocScrutinizer51: I'm switching to tonal time | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: on the poles you probably can make a 24h sundial | 17:48 |
| luke-jr | I don't need it to work the whole day, just be accurate when the sun is up :) | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | luke-jr: you'll need that to talk to the pinguins | 17:49 |
| Myrtti | you people should stop eating the funny mushrooms | 17:49 |
| Myrtti | srsly | 17:49 |
| RST38h | Myrtti: It will only hit a tiny percentage of your countrymen and you can always write it off to natural selection =) | 17:49 |
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| ShadowJK | yes you can have 24hr sundial | 17:51 |
| ShadowJK | but it'll only work north of arctic circle, in the summer | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: c'mon that's not been a serious question | 17:51 |
| isuck | freaking crap !!!! The live stream on fifa.com doesnt freaking work!!!! "Internet device" my ass .... I need to follow this game jerks !!!! | 17:51 |
| KHUY | !ops | 17:51 |
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| luke-jr | Myrtti: tonal ftw | 17:52 |
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| Myrtti | KHUY: lolwhat | 17:52 |
| Myrtti | luke-jr: huh? | 17:52 |
| isuck | D I S A P P O I T M E N T | 17:52 |
| Myrtti | oh, him | 17:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | isuck: blame fifa.com | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | spell chekcer | 17:53 |
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| Myrtti | :-> | 17:53 |
| mgedmin | didn't anybody slap that troll down yet? | 17:54 |
| isuck | I'm away from gome today and I was hoping to follow the game on this "internet device" N900....but no it doesnt freaking support it.... god dam!!! | 17:54 |
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| Myrtti | isuck: here, let me give you a handkerchief *TRRRLLÖÖÖT* | 17:54 |
| isuck | so much for full inernet experience - what a joke | 17:55 |
| Myrtti | isuck: so get another device that fulfills your expectations and have a happy life. | 17:55 |
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| * Bactius agree with Myrtti | 17:56 | |
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| isuck | my buddy with android is laughing at me and my brick right now | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | isuck: takeit. bastards pushing activex applets to stream video on ms explorer ONLY are the ones to shoot down. Get a winmoob device and stop boring us | 17:57 |
| Myrtti | isuck: he's not the only one laughing at you | 17:57 |
| isuck | but i'm not talking about live video....but freaking text play by play !!!!! | 17:57 |
| isuck | text only !!!!! | 17:58 |
| isuck | you would think i could follow text on n900 no? | 17:58 |
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| E0x | isuck: give you n900 to the charity and buy another phone | 17:58 |
| Bactius | text only no problem. you are talking about live feed function... | 17:59 |
| isuck | is that all you can say EOx ? | 17:59 |
| E0x | yes | 17:59 |
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| isuck | a simple freaking live text feed .... but no...it dont work | 17:59 |
| Trewas | isuck: maybe you should whine to idiots who made text-only site requiring flash 10 | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | isuck: you would think somebody buying a N900 would know enough to undertand implications of proprietary formats | 17:59 |
| Myrtti | isuck: what do you expect US to do to the fact that it doesn't work? | 17:59 |
| Bactius | lol this is a live text feed as well | 18:00 |
| Myrtti | isuck: here, let me cry you a river. | 18:00 |
| isuck | is there any hacks or work arounds for this problem? | 18:00 |
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| lcuk | share the link and explain the problem | 18:00 |
| Myrtti | no wait, I'll let Justin Timberlake to do it | 18:00 |
| lcuk | lets see if it is | 18:00 |
| MohammadAG | meh, I left for an hour or so and you're still talking about flash 10 | 18:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 18:01 |
| luke-jr | Myrtti: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 | 18:01 |
| * MohammadAG misses his i5 | 18:01 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | just this minute | 18:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and believe me not for long :-( | 18:01 |
| Myrtti | luke-jr: what about tonal system? I couldn't care less about it | 18:01 |
| * MohammadAG checks buffer | 18:01 | |
| isuck | here....one second.....look: try this shit on your n900s : | 18:01 |
| isuck | http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/matchday=13/day=1/match=300061461/index.html | 18:01 |
| luke-jr | Myrtti: fail | 18:02 |
| isuck | dont fucken work !! | 18:02 |
| isuck | http://www.fifa.com/live/competitions/worldcup/matchday=13/day=1/match=300061461/index.html | 18:02 |
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| KHUY | http://i.imgur.com/4BR69.jpg | 18:02 |
| isuck | did you dudes click ? | 18:02 |
| lcuk | isuck, wheres the text stream? | 18:02 |
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| isuck | click on da linky mate | 18:03 |
| lcuk | and does that huuuuuuuge flash work on any mobile device? | 18:03 |
| lcuk | thats not text - thats a big flash thing | 18:03 |
| lcuk | cant play it on my laptop | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | Die EX | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | press-installation | 18:03 |
| KHUY | http://i.imgur.com/YRfC7.jpg | 18:03 |
| isuck | lcuk: i smell bullcrap | 18:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | wird unter doiesem Betriebssystem nicht untestuetzt | 18:04 |
| lcuk | not really isuck im watching game on my n900 now btw on bbc iplayer | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | FUCKIT and that's my LAPTOP | 18:04 |
| lcuk | england are plaing well | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | KHUY: that's enough | 18:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | so isuck STFU | 18:04 |
| KHUY | http://i.imgur.com/BwjB4.jpg | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | isuck, so meh | 18:04 |
| KHUY | do u like my drawings?? | 18:04 |
| crashanddie | KHUY: no, stop it | 18:05 |
| KHUY | y | 18:05 |
| crashanddie | KHUY: post one more, and you'll be quieted | 18:05 |
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| KHUY | i.imgur.com/foain.jpg | 18:05 |
| lcuk | KHUY, those are cool, what did you draw em in | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: pay one, take 2 | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | or are they actual sketches? | 18:05 |
| KHUY | lcuk: yes | 18:05 |
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| KHUY | my teacher didnt like them | 18:05 |
| KHUY | he's homosexual retard | 18:06 |
| isuck | where do i download iplayer? | 18:06 |
| lcuk | isuck, i dunno i just go onto the bbc website and it works | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | on iShop? | 18:06 |
| MohammadAG | KHUY, how old are you... | 18:06 |
| KHUY | 15 | 18:06 |
| isuck | and the games work on n900? | 18:07 |
| KHUY | god, i fucking hate gays | 18:07 |
| KHUY | they are so stupid | 18:07 |
| KHUY | and.. | 18:07 |
| KHUY | gay xD | 18:07 |
| mirf | you'ra gay | 18:07 |
| lcuk | its playin a bit more sluggish than usual iplayer streams, i think this england match is really overloading it | 18:07 |
| lcuk | isuck, yes im listening and watching now | 18:07 |
| KHUY | mirf; no | 18:07 |
| mirf | we'll see ;) | 18:07 |
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| mirf | it omes with a stand lcuk ? | 18:08 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: I doubt that iplayer works in Brampton, ON, Canada. | 18:08 |
| lcuk | Myrtti, thats not my problem really | 18:08 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: true :-) | 18:08 |
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| lcuk | mirf, theres a kickstand on device and ive got another stand also | 18:08 |
| GAN900 | Soccer's for socialists anyway | 18:09 |
| * lcuk is watching england match on n900 and happy :) | 18:09 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer turns laptop to portrait mode, to better cope with all the one word lines, and all the noise | 18:09 | |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, that ^ saved you the trouble of kicking him | 18:09 |
| Myrtti | meh. Now the Justin Timberlake earwormed on me | 18:09 |
| mirf | wicked! | 18:09 |
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| mirf | mine comes in the post tomorrow | 18:09 |
| mirf | too bad I@m at work... gonna be sooo distracted | 18:10 |
| * mgedmin tried using an external LCD in portrait mode, but subpixel rendering gets all whacked out making text unpleasant to read :/ | 18:10 | |
| DocScrutinizer | fine khuy is gone | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | mgedmin, on MS windows you can choose the orientation | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | yeah, I tried that | 18:11 |
| lcuk | shockingly its quite well thought out | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | it just looks wrong with vertical subpixels | 18:11 |
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| mgedmin | and on Linux you can't have different subpixel order on different monitors | 18:11 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, theres a subpixel cleartype config utility | 18:11 |
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| lcuk | to let you choose the orientation it uses, not just a single tickbox | 18:11 |
| lcuk | http://www.microsoft.com/typography/cleartype/tuner/step1.aspx | 18:11 |
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| Myrtti | funny how running geoip on a troll that has foolishly let their IP to be visible always shuts them up | 18:13 |
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| * Myrtti whistles | 18:13 | |
| lcuk | Myrtti, i think it was more about actually having nothing to rant about | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | since his main point was "i cant watch football" and we all sat here watching football | 18:13 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: you'd be amazed how many times I've done that exact thing with the exact same result though | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: LOL | 18:18 |
| Turks | anyone mind helping me figure out a problem on the n800? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Myrtti: ack | 18:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Turks: everybody watching the games | 18:18 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:19 |
| lcuk | shh :p | 18:19 |
| Turks | you arent ;) | 18:19 |
| lcuk | oh, i am | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I do | 18:19 |
| lcuk | i just dont know how many others are | 18:19 |
| flailingmonkey | Myrtti: this has been documented before: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ | 18:19 |
| * mgedmin is trying to remember what an n800 looks like ..... remembered | 18:19 | |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | and GAN900 will start a live twitter on this chan in a moment :-P | 18:20 |
| flailingmonkey | remove anonymity, shuts them up | 18:20 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, hes scary once he starts | 18:20 |
| Turks | im just trying to get regular messaging with the accounts application, theyre listed as if i can add them, but they never show up in the accounts list | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: I know :-D | 18:21 |
| Myrtti | flailingmonkey: indeed | 18:21 |
| lcuk | Turks, personally unsure others will know | 18:22 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | oooh fsck | 18:22 |
| Turks | its just annoying. pidgin sucks on maemo 4 (?) | 18:23 |
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| mgedmin | quiet here all of a sudden | 18:48 |
| flailingmonkey | wow, Nokia will actually have more than one M***o device at a time? apparently after current N8 release all N-series are going to run MeeGo | 18:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm. us+uk | 18:50 |
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| eitama | N8 is not maemo though, so with is the other one? | 18:50 |
| eitama | which* | 18:50 |
| eitama | ah | 18:50 |
| eitama | never mind (: | 18:50 |
| eitama | *** | 18:50 |
| eitama | (: | 18:50 |
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| achipa | it's not like they are going to refresh the N8 after a month. So the 'more than one at a time' will be good for early 2012 at best | 18:51 |
| flailingmonkey | N8 is to be last N-series that isn't MeeGo (they don't clarify Harmattan vs. meego.com, but w/e) | 18:51 |
| achipa | they are going to call it meego, they just haven't decided if it's going to be based on meega, derived from meego, inspired by meego or what... | 18:52 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | actually I had expected to see a N8 alike for next magoo device | 18:52 |
| achipa | n8 is below min meego specs... arm11 and all | 18:53 |
| achipa | (offical ones, anyway) | 18:53 |
| flailingmonkey | achipa: its just an indication of how MeeGo figures into their plans. Maemo was always something that got a single device at a time, and now it will basically be the differentiator for the whole N series | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | uh? | 18:53 |
| flailingmonkey | holy cow, US? | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | arm11 isn't good enough now? | 18:53 |
| solrize | someone on #symbian mentioned that maemo's UI is very touchscreen-centric, i.e. there's no way to run it on an e63/blackberry like device | 18:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | sure the amoled is subpar wrt res | 18:54 |
| achipa | DocScrutinizer: AFAIK it's ARMv7 for the official builds | 18:54 |
| achipa | you can of course roll your own like Carsten and the hw adaptation project | 18:54 |
| solrize | btw does anyone know if it's possible to use all 3 n900 radios at the same time? i.e. GSM voice, 3g, and wifi. (I guess bluetooth doesn't count) | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | if you have 3g, why gsm? | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | 3g can have simultaneous voice + data | 18:55 |
| solrize | oh ok | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | we are hools we're o'right... | 18:55 |
| achipa | solrize: well, no non-touchscreen Nseries in sight, so... | 18:55 |
| solrize | the idea is you're using the net connection while someone calls you on the phone | 18:55 |
| chem|st | for what reason do I want 3G if wifi is available? | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | solrize: you can have data and calls at the same time | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | solrize: if your terminal supports it | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | chem|st, joikuspot? | 18:56 |
| jacekowski | solrize: most of high end nokia phones do | 18:56 |
| solrize | chemist your wifi may not be connected to the internet | 18:56 |
| achipa | chem|st: tethering ? | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | i.e. share your 3g with friends | 18:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: gsm can as well | 18:56 |
| chem|st | ah the other way round | 18:56 |
| chem|st | well for that case | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: AFAIK witk GSM+GPRS/EDGE it's either voice or data, but not both at the same time | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | [citation needed] | 18:57 |
| flailingmonkey | thats the whole benefit of 3G, simultaneous voice+data connections | 18:57 |
| chem|st | mgedmin: voice and data is the same in case of voip | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N900 Lq/2 tech specs | 18:57 |
| GAN900 | mgedmin, yes. | 18:57 |
| mgedmin | VoIP is cheating ;) | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | L1/2 | 18:57 |
| chem|st | mgedmin: no SIP is cheating | 18:57 |
| flailingmonkey | but if you are stuck on GPRS or EDGE, you can only have voice OR data | 18:57 |
| GAN900 | flailingmonkey, well, that, faster speeds and more battery sales. ;) | 18:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: nope | 18:58 |
| * chem|st managed to have a clear conversation over EDGE while browsing... and voip isnt cheating | 18:58 | |
| trip0 | that's what she said | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N900 can do EDGE + call | 18:59 |
| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer51: I would be very interested in that, as I am using AT&T so no 3G at all | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | see L1/2 RF tech spec | 18:59 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | maybe L3/4 | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | okay, wikipedia tells me GPRS Class A devices _can_ be connectet to GPRS and GSM and use both at the same time | 19:00 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | it's mentioned as a feature | 19:00 |
| mgedmin | I assume class B phones are just more popular | 19:00 |
| flailingmonkey | how would I go about doing that then? | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | As I understand it, you need two radios for GPRS+GSM | 19:01 |
| chem|st | mgedmin: my sony 880 did do it and thats a cheap bitch | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: why? | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | esp for GSM TDMA | 19:01 |
| SpeedEvil | I may be wrong | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you can use one TX/RX for multiple slots | 19:02 |
| SpeedEvil | I haven't read it closely | 19:02 |
| flailingmonkey | so is the GPRS data connection indicator misleading when I send/get texts or make calls? | 19:03 |
| Corsac | aiui the phone *and* the network has to support/allow it | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | informative: http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?s=aa9ee89f023e730bbedd385c2ffacf4c&p=555390&postcount=123 | 19:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | flailingmonkey: in which way? | 19:05 |
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| flailingmonkey | it shows an icon with a strike through the symbol, and some apps show a message that the data connection is interrupted (or something like that) | 19:07 |
| flailingmonkey | btw, if they did put meego on a arm11 chipset, they could actually put meego on the N97 :-p | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, never seen that. Anyway this feature needs support from carrier side as well | 19:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. sorry I frequently get confused with this insane arm numbering | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | worse than intel | 19:09 |
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| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, I think it's better than Intel at least | 19:17 |
| GAN900 | It mostly goes in order | 19:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | alphabetic? | 19:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | 11<8 | 19:18 |
| flailingmonkey | then theres the Cortex stuff, A8 | 19:18 |
| GAN900 | Well, use the full name. :P | 19:18 |
| GAN900 | Cortex A8, ARM11 | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | gnah | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 19:19 |
| flailingmonkey | ah, but | 19:19 |
| flailingmonkey | cortex-a8 is based on ARMv7 | 19:19 |
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| GAN900 | Core, Core 2, Core i*, Pentium 4, Pentium, etc. | 19:20 |
| flailingmonkey | OH | 19:20 |
| flailingmonkey | ok | 19:20 |
| * crashanddie giggles as he plays little big planet | 19:20 | |
| GAN900 | flailingmonkey, it's not based on armv7, it uses the armv7 instruction set | 19:20 |
| flailingmonkey | ARM11 chips, are based on ARMv6 architecture | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | how not-confusing-at-all | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | and don't capitalizae the instruction set | 19:20 |
| GAN900 | makes it less confusing | 19:21 |
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| flailingmonkey | just using what is in the big table on wikipedia | 19:21 |
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| flailingmonkey | ooo, Cortex-A9 gets out-of-order speculative issue superscalar | 19:23 |
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| GAN900 | A9 is nice | 19:32 |
| GAN900 | I'd love an A9 in a mobile device | 19:32 |
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| hume | hi... I'm having problems with skype on my N900 - am I supposed to be able to do video calls on skype? | 19:33 |
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| flailingmonkey | apparently Tegra 2 is based on A9 | 19:33 |
| E0x | hume: yes | 19:33 |
| hume | how? | 19:34 |
| flailingmonkey | I look forward to having ARM laptop | 19:34 |
| E0x | hume: when you have a contact of skype that have video settings enable | 19:34 |
| E0x | they will show you a video call option | 19:34 |
| E0x | your contact need have video options/settings enable | 19:35 |
| E0x | in they side | 19:35 |
| hume | ok...let me check, change computer and be back | 19:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | mhm, nightmode is a bit strange. fixed focus | 19:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: did you ota upgrade? | 19:38 |
| E0x | when i hear about nightmode i think that was a mode that enable | 19:38 |
| E0x | flash led | 19:38 |
| E0x | is ok how is but i don't like the frame rate drp | 19:38 |
| E0x | drop* | 19:38 |
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| E0x | ( i am mean video recording ) | 19:39 |
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| hume | hi again... where on the N900 is that video option to be found? | 19:39 |
| hume | in Skype | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the framerate drop is the whole trick | 19:39 |
| E0x | hume: select you contact | 19:39 |
| E0x | and will have skype video option | 19:39 |
| hume | I only have Skype call.. no Skype video call. is there another option somewhere? | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I actually did *two* uprades in series now, it seems. To 1.1.1 then to 1.2 | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | now just need to revisit wiki about how to nuke that infamous pending SMS | 19:42 |
| flailingmonkey | ah, yeah you would need 1.1.1 first | 19:42 |
| E0x | hume: i am out to lunch righ now when i get back i will show you a screenshot | 19:43 |
| flailingmonkey | btw, dell selling N900s for $370 | 19:43 |
| E0x | bbl | 19:43 |
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| hume | ok, thx | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | WHAT? | 19:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | ok the EUR isn't what it used to be | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | but still | 19:44 |
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| GAN900 | Ha | 19:45 |
| flailingmonkey | http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Unlocked-version-of-the-Nokia-N900-is-priced-at-369.99---no-contract-required-article-a_12116.html | 19:46 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, if you didn't hand all of your money over to the government, you wouldn't have to pay so much. :P | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | hhm yep | 19:46 |
| GAN900 | Sales tax isn't included in the price, either | 19:48 |
| GAN900 | So depending on your state and local laws, local tax rates and who you're doing business with, you may have to pay between 5 and 10% tax. | 19:49 |
| luke-jr | N900 has no case??? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | 20 | 19:49 |
| luke-jr | or I just didn't get one? XD | 19:49 |
| mgedmin | no case for N900 | 19:50 |
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| mgedmin | also no spare stylus | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | I was kinda bummed about that | 19:50 |
| luke-jr | hume: I recall reading somewhere that it only works with the latest version of Skype | 19:50 |
| solrize | 369.99, wow, a big reduction, n9 must be on its way ;) | 19:50 |
| mgedmin | but the exquisite joy of holding a N900 in my hands overwhelmed that bum | 19:51 |
| GAN900 | solrize, not before October. | 19:51 |
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| solrize | GAN900, heh, that probably means not before 2011 ;) | 19:51 |
| solrize | wow, newegg has it for 420 | 19:52 |
| hume | luke-jr, latest on the N900 or the callers version? | 19:52 |
| luke-jr | hume: both | 19:52 |
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| luke-jr | PR 1.2 for N900 | 19:52 |
| Klio | i control version python on my n900, it is 2.5, are there update version? | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer51, for me here in Florida, it's 7% on any sale that's not non-prepared food, a bible, or a variety of other exempt items if you're buying in-state or mailorder through a company that's incorporated in the state of Florida. | 19:53 |
| luke-jr | lol | 19:53 |
| luke-jr | they make an exception for a Bible specifically? | 19:53 |
| hume | luke-jr, how do I update to latest on the N900? program manager says nothing about availbale updates, at least not skype-related | 19:54 |
| luke-jr | hume: grab the firmware image, flasher, and reinstall over USB? | 19:54 |
| hume | luke-jr, uhg... is there a page with good instructions on how to NOT lose all my settings and programs? haven't done that on the N900 before | 19:55 |
| luke-jr | no idea | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | hume, maemo wiki has something | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | hume, I prefer over-the-air updates; less hassle | 19:56 |
| hume | mgedmin, over-the-air? | 19:56 |
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| mgedmin | hume, if you're not offered an OS upgrade in the app installer, maybe you already have the latest firmware? | 19:56 |
| MOUD | Hey all | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | hume, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 19:56 |
| hume | mgedmin, i udated through the app installer (program manager) a few weeks ago....? | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | hume, control panel -> about device will show you the version (or osso-product-info in xterm) | 19:57 |
| lcuk | mgedmin, hows tricks | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | (it's Settings and About product, actually) | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | latest is version 10.2010.19-1 | 19:58 |
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| mgedmin | incidentally, skype video didn't work for me when I tried it | 19:58 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, yeah, dating from the height of the cold war. | 19:58 |
| MOUD | I have Eyes widget but it's fixed on the left upper corner of the screen and I can't move it, how can I move to another position? I have the maemo PR1.2 | 19:59 |
| hume | mgedmin, so, I have the latest | 19:59 |
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| mgedmin | MOUD, you can drag it around when in "desktop maintenance" mode (what is it called officially? anyway), it's just very difficult to grab it since it's so small | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | the stylus helps somewhat | 20:00 |
| MOUD | mgedmin: I used it before but after the maemo update it won't move | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | you're right! | 20:01 |
| hume | another question: I have problems with synchronizing google calendar. Using the exchange server sync stuff. It works for a while, and the syncs starts to fail. And I have to empty the calendar on the N900 and start all over again. Anyone got advice on how to solve this? | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | MOUD, no, it moves all right | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | just managed it | 20:02 |
| mgedmin | somehow | 20:02 |
| MOUD | mgedmin: strange. I will reinstall it | 20:02 |
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| Klio | maemo repository extra devel: what is address? | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | klio everything you need is on the page: http://repository.maemo.org/ | 20:05 |
| Klio | thx | 20:06 |
| Klio | lcuk: thx | 20:07 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | aww, there's no way to see if a phone number exists in your Maemo contacts is there? | 20:09 |
| RST38h | moo all | 20:09 |
| Klio | * deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free | 20:09 |
| Klio | * deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free | 20:09 |
| flailingmonkey | hume: afaik using the built-in Mail for Exchange with google isn't a supported feature. it may/may not work, but it would need changes to accomidate the changes google made | 20:09 |
| Klio | i must paste all | 20:10 |
| Klio | or i can put only one | 20:10 |
| SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - 1.0->1.1->1.1.1->1.2 | 20:10 |
| flailingmonkey | someone was working on a syncing solution for google calenders and more, Erming-NG | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | flailingmonkey, call your phone from said number? :P | 20:10 |
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| luke-jr | any way to get N900 to prefer SIP for calls, rather than Cellular? | 20:11 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | nobody? :( | 20:13 |
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| RST38h | Moo, GAN900, seen the news about N-series? :) | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, all MeeGo (sometime in 2013)? | 20:15 |
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| Klio | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free error not found | 20:21 |
| luke-jr | RST38h: ? | 20:21 |
| Klio | error 404 | 20:21 |
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| luke-jr | Ovi Maps looks real flickery if I remain stationary XD | 20:23 |
| Klio | how i can control firmware? | 20:24 |
| luke-jr | ... | 20:24 |
| Surfa | control what? | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It's just like how you can shot web. | 20:25 |
| Klio | firmware PR 1.2: | 20:25 |
| Mymo | how can i* | 20:25 |
| luke-jr | Klio: you can't | 20:25 |
| Surfa | what are you talking about? | 20:25 |
| Klio | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ not found | 20:26 |
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| Surfa | and that's related to controlling of firmware how? and what are you meaning by control? | 20:26 |
| Mymo | maybe install | 20:26 |
| Klio | i want add repository extra | 20:27 |
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| Klio | but i have error | 20:27 |
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| Surfa | Mymo, maybe? maybe not | 20:28 |
| Mymo | lol maybe | 20:28 |
| Mymo | so does n900 has voice command thingy? like when u want to call someone and say his name and the phone dial the number | 20:30 |
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| GAN900 | no | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | Feel free to implement one, though. | 20:33 |
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| RST38h | GAN: No, some big corpse said that N8 is the last N-series device with Symbian | 20:35 |
| Mymo | believe me if I know how, I would be working on it right now | 20:35 |
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| RST38h | GAN: I guess he is in the dungeon now, being whacked with Symbian app development specification printouts | 20:36 |
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| Macer | RST38h: so does that mean maemo is going go take center stage? | 20:45 |
| Macer | :) | 20:45 |
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| Macer | or whatever they are going to call it? | 20:46 |
| Macer | meefail | 20:46 |
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| RST38h | Macer: No, it just means the maemo camp is trying another frontal attack | 20:50 |
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| Turks | anyone alive now? | 21:04 |
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| flailingmonkey | they've got their faces painted black, orange and gray | 21:04 |
| Turks | that sucks | 21:04 |
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| RST38h | http://www.chemistry-blog.com/2010/06/22/something-deeply-wrong-with-chemistry/# | 21:05 |
| RST38h | lovely | 21:05 |
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| kojacker | Hello out there, you crazy cats, would someone like to talk about money with me? | 21:08 |
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| kojacker | *crickets* | 21:09 |
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| kojacker | im just going to start talking in the hope that someone might respond to me.. | 21:09 |
| lcuk | kojacker, sure, you want my paypal so you can send me samples so i can investigate what you mean | 21:10 |
| kojacker | you may be aware of the Maemo coding competition - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112 - we have $423 pledged as a bounty | 21:10 |
| kojacker | no free samples! | 21:10 |
| lcuk | thats ok, are you who i asked about where to pay the money to | 21:10 |
| kojacker | what i need is ideas how to split that bounty up into prizes for winners | 21:10 |
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| * lcuk pledged $50 | 21:11 | |
| kojacker | could be, at the moment we're still waiting and hoping their might be a maemo paypal account coming along.. it's a bit quiet on that front | 21:11 |
| lcuk | but was told there was noone organised to take it | 21:11 |
| * lcuk then got back on with work | 21:11 | |
| kojacker | i'l be very pleased to take it off your hands soon :P | 21:11 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, yeah, that's what I meant (insert "Nseries" . . . ) | 21:12 |
| lcuk | well you will have to get behind other people :p ive been on holiday since you declined | 21:12 |
| kojacker | declined? hmm? | 21:12 |
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| kojacker | anyway.. what Im asking is what would be the best way to split up any winnings. | 21:13 |
| luke-jr | translation: you have $373 | 21:13 |
| GAN900 | Neither particularly surprising or very meaningful except in the short term. | 21:13 |
| E0x | kojacker: split it ?but how much winner are ? | 21:13 |
| E0x | 3 ? | 21:13 |
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| kojacker | ok, consider yourself removed from the bounty list lcuk. I'd still appreciate your opinion on this though | 21:13 |
| lcuk | i didnt mean that! | 21:14 |
| * lcuk will honour his pledge | 21:14 | |
| kojacker | we started with 6 categories, which in hindsight is quite a lot | 21:14 |
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| kojacker | if we had 1st 2nd and 3rd prizes, then that'd be 3*6=18.. it kinda cuts into the pot a lot and everyone would get little | 21:14 |
| kojacker | thanks lcuk! | 21:15 |
| lcuk | kojacker, once you sort out where it needs to go, drop me a PM or mail and ill happily push it to it | 21:15 |
| E0x | 423/6 = 70 | 21:15 |
| kojacker | i was thinking a top 10 or something like that? | 21:15 |
| E0x | divide the price just for the best of eatch categorie | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | kojacker: 70% to 1st, 20% to 2nd, 10% to 3rd ? | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | that means $49 to each 1st place right now | 21:15 |
| kojacker | the best of each category is already getting a trip to dublin, flight and accom paid by Nokia.. or a n900 if they prefer | 21:15 |
| luke-jr | $14 to 2nd, $7 to 3rd | 21:16 |
| E0x | oh | 21:16 |
| kojacker | so maybe we could spread the bounty out a bit more to everyone else | 21:16 |
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| luke-jr | kojacker: does Nokia get the passport for us too? :P | 21:16 |
| E0x | the best of eatch categories dont get money price from the 423$ ? | 21:16 |
| kojacker | luke-jr, they may be able to squeeze you into a cardboard box with a n900 shipment :P | 21:16 |
| E0x | just price the 1st and 2nd place | 21:17 |
| luke-jr | kojacker: how about 1/4 to 2nd, 1/4 of remaining to 3rd, and so on? | 21:17 |
| kojacker | these are all good ideas, appreciate the suggestions :) | 21:17 |
| kojacker | i was thinking maybe taking the top 3 of each category, and putting those 18 towards a vote for the top 10.. and splitting it out that way.. | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | $17, $13, $10, $7, $5, $4, $3, $2, $2, $1, $1, $1, $1 | 21:18 |
| E0x | kojacker: better | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | hmm | 21:18 |
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| kojacker | $1 is probably cost more in paypal fees than what the recipient gets :) | 21:18 |
| luke-jr | :) | 21:18 |
| kojacker | kinda a token prize | 21:19 |
| luke-jr | so maybe 50% each place | 21:19 |
| luke-jr | $35, $17, $9, $4, $2, $1, $1 | 21:19 |
| E0x | kojacker: btw they have already the winners ? | 21:19 |
| luke-jr | and/or if it's < $5, they don't get it? XD | 21:19 |
| kojacker | lol i would be lynched if they dont get it :) | 21:19 |
| flailingmonkey | why not give no $ to | 21:20 |
| flailingmonkey | 1st place? | 21:20 |
| kojacker | E0x, nope no winners yet. It goes on until July 21st... feel free to join! | 21:20 |
| luke-jr | when 50% drops under $5, the remaining goes to "best of the top 6"? | 21:20 |
| flailingmonkey | lol, first place winners don't need cash, if they really want some they can sell the N900 from Nokia | 21:20 |
| luke-jr | hehe | 21:20 |
| E0x | kojacker: ok , i think just price the 1st place of eatch categorie | 21:20 |
| flailingmonkey | then just give money to 2nd and 3rd place winners | 21:21 |
| kojacker | flailingmonkey, there's one trip (ie 1 person) for each 1st place.. im thinking if there's a team that wins then we'd need a bit of bounty to split up there | 21:21 |
| luke-jr | that would be $57 to the best of all, then to each 2nd place $35, 3rd=$17,4th=$9 | 21:21 |
| flailingmonkey | since they don't get anything else | 21:21 |
| kojacker | dam.. my maths sucks | 21:21 |
| luke-jr | lol | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | kojacker: basically, first split the $423 / 6 ways = $70.5 | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | then each 2nd place gets 50% of that = $35 | 21:22 |
| luke-jr | (rounded down) | 21:22 |
| E0x | maybe put some news about it in the maemo.org home page to get more founding | 21:22 |
| E0x | from the ppl | 21:23 |
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| luke-jr | that leaves $36 remaining per category | 21:23 |
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| flailingmonkey | mhm, a summary of entered apps, with descriptions too | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | 3rd place gets 50% of that = $17 | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | leaving $19 | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | 4th place gets 50% of that = $9 | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | leaving $10 | 21:23 |
| luke-jr | which half of is only $5, so the prizes end | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | $5 * 6 categories = $30 remaining | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | which goes to a new round of competition: best of the 6 winners | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | I think I messed up the math somewhere in there tho-- the last # *was* $57 when I calculated it before | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 21:24 |
| luke-jr | ah, it's because remaining was $9 each category | 21:25 |
| luke-jr | :) | 21:25 |
| kojacker | flailingmonkey, it's not quite what you're after but you can see some of the apps on the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Maemo_Coding_Competition_1 | 21:26 |
| kojacker | luke-jr, i have no idea what you wrote but it looks good to me lol | 21:26 |
| luke-jr | >_< | 21:26 |
| kojacker | so from the start, are you including 1st place shares in your calcs | 21:27 |
| kojacker | you start off with the 423 then divide by 6, and take 50% for the 2nd places.. | 21:27 |
| flailingmonkey | kojacker: then put a link to that page in a blog post that goes on planet, or a new talk thread | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | I suggest there is only one rational way round this. | 21:27 |
| SpeedEvil | A prize to create a system for awarding prizes. | 21:27 |
| flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: it would win 1st place | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | kojacker: no, 1st place per category gets nothing with this system | 21:28 |
| kojacker | SpeedEvil, I will award a virtual cookie | 21:28 |
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| luke-jr | only 1st place overall | 21:28 |
| kojacker | ah ok | 21:28 |
| luke-jr | but you could start with 1st instead of 2nd too | 21:28 |
| kojacker | flailingmonkey, there's a link to the wiki on the development thread sticky | 21:28 |
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| luke-jr | so it'd be 1st=$35, 2nd=$17, 3rd=$9 | 21:29 |
| kojacker | $9 looks crummy though | 21:29 |
| luke-jr | and then 1st-overall=$57 (more) | 21:29 |
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| luke-jr | so increase the bounty ;P | 21:29 |
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| Natanaiel | after booting meego on my N900 I only see a black screen! | 21:30 |
| kojacker | i already got $50 and 3 lazer cut stands in the bounty :P Im just a poor man, my back is old and bent, my legs are red and ... bent | 21:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Are the laser cut stands also bent? | 21:32 |
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| kojacker | hopefully not, if i package them well enough | 21:32 |
| Zucca | Ok... I just read something I cannot belive just yet... N900's USB port is USBotg capable? True? | 21:33 |
| kojacker | so is anyone here entering the competition? Everyone welcome, beginners, punks, crazies, the hamish | 21:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Zucca: no | 21:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Zucca: It may be able to be switched into host mode - there is a project underway to get this working. | 21:34 |
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| Zucca | SpeedEvil: Ok. Does this mean that it cannot provide power to it's "slaves"? | 21:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes, it can provide power. | 21:36 |
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| Zucca | Ok. What's the difference then to USBotg? | 21:36 |
| SpeedEvil | But it can't be OTG - OTG is to hostmode as pizza is to cheese | 21:36 |
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| b-man | vegetarian pizza can have no cheese.. xD | 21:37 |
| Zucca | Meaning what? You need set the port to host mode before inserting device? It cannot regonize slaves automatically? | 21:38 |
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| E0x | Zucca: something like that will be needed | 21:39 |
| Zucca | It's great news anyways. :) | 21:39 |
| flailingmonkey | exactly | 21:39 |
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| kojacker | vegan, b-man, this vegetarian is eating pleeeeeenty of cheese right now. | 21:39 |
| E0x | i am not sure yet what is the different betewen OTG and generic host mode | 21:39 |
| flailingmonkey | OTG is a system that allows two devices to negotiate who should be the host | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Zucca: meaning that for host mode - plugging stuff into the n900 - OTG isn't needed | 21:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Zucca: OTG cannot be used on the n900 - the hardware is missing | 21:40 |
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| flailingmonkey | generic host mode will involve running some script, which then prepares the N900 to act as host, and when a device is plugged in it works | 21:41 |
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| flailingmonkey | IF there was OTG, you could just plug the device in and it would figure things out | 21:41 |
| flailingmonkey | the N900 can provide power to a USB device in either case | 21:42 |
| chadi | My widgets and shortcuts on the home screen are not clickable. How can I know what app is causing that problem? It usually happens after a phone call. | 21:42 |
| chadi | I tap them, it's as if they do not exist | 21:42 |
| E0x | flailingmonkey: maybe something automatimagic can be dont using hal | 21:43 |
| chadi | any idea? this is really annoying, and the only workaround is to reboot. | 21:43 |
| Zucca | SpeedEvil: host mode is enough for me. :) Unfortunately charging the devide at the same time may be hard/impossible. | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Zucca: Charging is irrelevant | 21:43 |
| SpeedEvil | Zucca: you need a special cable is all | 21:43 |
| E0x | hal+udev , but you will need make your own rulz for that | 21:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | It's currently looking like it'll be an app or a toolbar widget to set hostmode | 21:44 |
| Zucca | Toolbar widget would be nice. | 21:44 |
| E0x | toolbar widget | 21:44 |
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| SpeedEvil | But this is all irrelevant | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | that's the easy part that lots of people can do | 21:45 |
| SpeedEvil | the harder part is working out the kernel driver, and stuff to get it working reliably | 21:45 |
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| E0x | true | 21:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host | 21:46 |
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| flailingmonkey | E0x: udev/hal wouldn't work, because those events are only triggered when a device is detected. and USB devices are only detected if you are in hostmode :) | 21:47 |
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| E0x | ok | 21:48 |
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| flailingmonkey | Zucca: charging in hostmode is possible, but I don't know about fast charge (500mA) | 21:48 |
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| SpeedEvil | The charger hardware is completely seperate from the USB host hardware | 21:49 |
| SpeedEvil | The USB hardware may care about if there is 5V on the USB port, but it can't care - or even know - which way rund the cunt is flowing. | 21:49 |
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| Zucca | flailingmonkey: It is enough for me if the device can run without battery running empty. My some kind of dream is to have a "USB docking station" for my N900. ;) | 21:52 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, that'spossible. | 21:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | Indeed, someone has already demonstrated SB displaylink adaptor | 21:52 |
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| flailingmonkey | easiest way to use USB in host mode is to use the cable that comes with the N900 and put a female-to-female adapter onto the end | 21:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes - once it's setup | 21:56 |
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| Dassu | :/ What do you guys think about that fact that YouTube Chose to use h264 instead of theora on their html5 implementation? | 21:57 |
| chadi | can I power the n900 only from the power without battery? | 21:57 |
| SpeedEvil | chadi: no | 21:58 |
| chadi | SpeedEvil: any reason for that choice by nokia? | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | Dassu: It enrages me to the point that Ihave killed 14 google employees, and one burger king employee. | 21:58 |
| SpeedEvil | chadi: I'munsure it's a choice - it may simply be not catering to it. All options are not free. | 21:59 |
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| chadi | ok thanks | 22:01 |
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| flailingmonkey | chadi: to create a system that can run directly from DC input without a battery means an increase in circuit complexity | 22:02 |
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| flailingmonkey | also, I've never had a phone that can run without the battery, only laptops | 22:03 |
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| chadi | can't I get a DC source with 3.7V and plug it in the place of the battery sockets? | 22:03 |
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| SpeedEvil | chadi: sure | 22:06 |
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| SpeedEvil | chadi: It needs to produce ~2A pulses though | 22:07 |
| chadi | oh | 22:07 |
| chadi | then i won't worry about it :P | 22:07 |
| flailingmonkey | there is hardware detection to make sure the battery is functioning properly, and isn't going to explode and such | 22:07 |
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| SpeedEvil | There really isn't | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | It's prettty much all done in software | 22:08 |
| flailingmonkey | orly? interesting | 22:08 |
| SpeedEvil | - with the hardware battery charger being limited by design to not too harmful maximumvoltages, by the choice of chip. | 22:08 |
| chadi | by checking its temperature? | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | There isn't a temperature measurement device in the battery | 22:09 |
| SpeedEvil | only on the motherboard | 22:09 |
| chadi | umm ok | 22:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | Well - there are several on the motherboard | 22:10 |
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| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: well, it looks like bme isn't reading temperature at all | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: just on startup | 22:48 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: but that's maybe because i was looking when there was no charger connected | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 22:49 |
| solrize | it would be really useful to be able to run without a battery since that means you could hot-swap batteries | 22:51 |
| ShadowJK | I think some EE should take a look at the graphs in the charger's spec to make a guess if N900 could handle that power raw | 22:54 |
| ShadowJK | then if we can convince the charger to not shut down when it detects battery is missing, and put N900 into a state with predictable, steady, non-zero power draw.. | 22:54 |
| jacekowski | i think charger switches off when it detects any problem with battery | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | and i doubt it can be overriden | 22:55 |
| jacekowski | esspecialy that it would be hard to keep voltage stable | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: nope. no bat != prpblem in chrg pov | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | Well basic premise is that the charger can't distinguish system load from battery | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yep | 22:56 |
| ShadowJK | And we can disable the normal charge termination also | 22:56 |
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| Zucca | Is there cfdisk for maemo? | 22:57 |
| ShadowJK | But the battery has an important role in smoothing out what comes from the charger chip, and that's what I'd worry about | 22:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | nope | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | that should be ok | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | modem spikes kill | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | spikes kill modem | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | kill modem spikes | 22:58 |
| jacekowski | modem kill spikes | 22:59 |
| jacekowski | kill spikes modem | 22:59 |
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| Arkenoi | does mussrogsky support freedb? | 23:00 |
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| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, that PWM charging waveform on p8 could be handled by the capacitors in N900? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yes | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | aiui | 23:02 |
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| flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer51: pretty dead on h-e-n mailing list. anything happening now that you a dev device? | 23:04 |
| flailingmonkey | s/you/you have/ | 23:04 |
| infobot | flailingmonkey meant: DocScrutinizer51: pretty dead on h-e-n mailing list. anything happening now that you have a dev device? | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I hope so | 23:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | plan to start a few initiatives this week | 23:04 |
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| flailingmonkey | I am excited to see development of a hostmode driver, now that people seem to realize that, no, trying to bend OTG state machine into a knot is not a great approach | 23:09 |
| solrize | usb hostmode will be useful especially if there is a tiny battery-powered hub to go with it | 23:10 |
| solrize | there is also some problem with running the wifi in infrastructure mode right? | 23:10 |
| GAN900 | What problem? | 23:11 |
| solrize | GAN900, i heard that infrastructure mode didn't work, so if you wanted to use your n900 as a hot spot, you had to use ad hoc mode and reset it every 10 minutes or something like htat | 23:11 |
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| solrize | why do 3g phones have higher download speeds than upload? either direction uses the same amount of air bandwidth | 23:13 |
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| GAN900 | That's not infra | 23:14 |
| GAN900 | that's master | 23:14 |
| nidO | essentially the same reason adsl has higher download than upload despite using the same bit of cable. | 23:14 |
| N900killa | so looks like nokia's going with meego for nseries | 23:15 |
| flailingmonkey | yep | 23:15 |
| N900killa | symbian for low end | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | How official is this announcement? | 23:15 |
| N900killa | godod! i say | 23:15 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, seems pretty official. | 23:15 |
| N900killa | right from the horses mouth mate | 23:16 |
| solrize | the impression i had was nokia wanted to switch to m*o for all but low end phones, but found symbian was (for now) still working better, so n8 is running symbian | 23:16 |
| solrize | droid x looks like awesome hardware, too bad it's running android :P | 23:16 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 23:17 |
| E0x | android is a good OS | 23:17 |
| GAN900 | If you don't mind Java and Google's evilness. | 23:17 |
| N900killa | solrize: got it wrong mate. Meego was for high end not low end. symbian will be on low end | 23:17 |
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| nidO | he never said meego would be low end | 23:17 |
| SpeedEvil | sybian will have a place for a while. | 23:18 |
| N900killa | then wtf is m*o ??? | 23:18 |
| flailingmonkey | not seeing any official references on that cnet.au article | 23:18 |
| nidO | m*o is meego/maemo but re-read what he said. | 23:18 |
| N900killa | n8 is the last symbian nseries | 23:18 |
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| luke-jr | E0x: Android is garbage | 23:19 |
| N900killa | but that russian dude is saying this is all bushit and there will be more symbian nseries | 23:19 |
| flailingmonkey | he said "for all BUT low end phone" | 23:19 |
| N900killa | dont know who to trusxt | 23:20 |
| solrize | someone on #symbian says m*o's UI is touchscreen dependent so non-touchscreen phones have to stay with symbian unless there's big rewrite | 23:20 |
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| N900killa | rewrites dont work well | 23:20 |
| luke-jr | Maemo needs a rewrite anyway | 23:20 |
| flailingmonkey | there is only one sentence claiming N8 is last symbian, and no references to back it up | 23:21 |
| flailingmonkey | weeeak | 23:21 |
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| luke-jr | especially if MeeGo is going to be a phone platform | 23:21 |
| luke-jr | Maemo was never meant for phones | 23:21 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 23:21 |
| N900killa | but its on cnet - they aint bullshiters no? | 23:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | We should start with a cutting-edge ncurses GUI. | 23:21 |
| GAN900 | MeeGo isn't a phone platform | 23:21 |
| Zucca | Anyone else have problems mounting N900's MicroSD card on Linux. I only can mount MyDocs But /media/mmc1 doesn't appear. MyDocs appear as /dev/sdc on my laptop (should it be /dev/sdc1 ?). | 23:21 |
| GAN900 | It's a mobile computer platform, in part. | 23:22 |
| flailingmonkey | Zucca, it just worked for me | 23:22 |
| N900killa | thats the cool thing about meemo... its a computer first | 23:22 |
| flailingmonkey | lol, cnet will print anything | 23:22 |
| N900killa | i thought they was always good....cnet | 23:23 |
| luke-jr | Zucca: what? | 23:23 |
| luke-jr | N900killa: why would you want a computer platform on a phone? | 23:23 |
| Dassu | :/ | 23:24 |
| N900killa | n900 aint a phone | 23:24 |
| Zucca | flailingmonkey: I can access it by starting sshd on N900 and then mounting the whole N900 filesystem via sshfs on my laptop, but that's not very user friendly. | 23:24 |
| solrize | n900 is a tiny laptop with radios | 23:24 |
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| flailingmonkey | N900killa: cnet isn't bad, but without any references, its just a rumor they have started | 23:24 |
| Zucca | luke-jr: Just waht I said. I cannot acces /dev/mmc1 via usb. :| | 23:25 |
| N900killa | i know, they say they heard it from horses mouth | 23:25 |
| Zucca | *what | 23:25 |
| luke-jr | so why wouldn't Symbian continue to be used on phones? | 23:25 |
| flailingmonkey | Zucca: yeah, when I plug in the N900 by usb to my linux laptop, and choose USB Storage Device, both the MyDocs and the mmc show up | 23:25 |
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| luke-jr | Zucca: why would you expect to? | 23:25 |
| Zucca | luke-jr: Because it normally should. | 23:26 |
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| Zucca | luke-jr: read what flailingmonkey said. | 23:26 |
| flailingmonkey | to be clear, I really mean the microSD, NOT the eMMC | 23:27 |
| Zucca | This is prehaps the only thing that works here on windows but doesn't on linux. :P | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | the maemo=highend, symbian=featurephone policy realy isn't any news | 23:27 |
| Zucca | Yes. MicroSD. | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: reboot your phone | 23:27 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: if something is accessing it then it might not make it avaliable over usb | 23:27 |
| Zucca | jacekowski: It hasn't worked even if I reboot. | 23:28 |
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| Zucca | Ah... Hm. | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | something is wrong with your pc then | 23:28 |
| solrize | they just made a new s60 v3 phone, the e5 | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | switch your phone off | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | and connect it | 23:28 |
| flailingmonkey | true | 23:28 |
| Zucca | I have closed all the apps. And I have even unmounted it. So nothing's accessing to it. | 23:28 |
| N900killa | where are the usb host dudes....they seem to disapeear from tmo ??? | 23:28 |
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| SpeedEvil | N900killa: Becaus the discussion on there is not especially helpful. | 23:28 |
| jacekowski | N900killa: they are still there | 23:29 |
| flailingmonkey | hiding, to perform their black magicks | 23:29 |
| SpeedEvil | N900killa: We all know that USB host is cool. | 23:29 |
| N900killa | but why no helpful ??? | 23:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | N900killa: Having person after person pop up and ask the same questions as have been answered earlier in the thread is totally unhelpful. | 23:29 |
| jacekowski | N900killa: because people that are posting there know fuck all about n900/usb/programmin/linux kernel | 23:29 |
| N900killa | they was talking about it and they got shut down | 23:29 |
| flailingmonkey | they have a mailing list that they use to develop | 23:29 |
| N900killa | but tmo is not just for linux freaks no? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | N900killa: btw some unknown dude joerg posted this night | 23:30 |
| flailingmonkey | the tmo thread was filling up with people not reading the whole 100 page thread and mostly just saying I want this! | 23:30 |
| jacekowski | flailingmonkey: do you expect anybody to read 100 pages? | 23:30 |
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| Zucca | jacekowski: If I unmount /media/mmc1 then plug my N900 usinf mass storage mode then unplug N900 --> /media/mmc1 is mounted again. And yes, it's propably something wrong with my system then. It's just strange that any other mass storage that has been partitioned acts fine when plugged. O.o | 23:31 |
| jef91 | Anyone here use sygic maps on the n900? | 23:31 |
| MiXu- | jef91: yeah | 23:31 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: because n900 is behaving differently to all storage devices | 23:32 |
| jef91 | Any idea how to update the maps on it? | 23:32 |
| jef91 | Or does it do it on it's own? | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: it's presenting itself with two medias | 23:32 |
| flailingmonkey | jacekowski: YES! | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: the 'keep this yhread for dev, there's another one for general discussion' was on every of the last 10 p though | 23:32 |
| Zucca | jacekowski: Ok. That's why... | 23:32 |
| MiXu- | jef91: I don't think there are updates yet. It's pretty new. | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: so if you switch off your phone | 23:32 |
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| jacekowski | Zucca: and connect it with cable | 23:32 |
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| jacekowski | Zucca: and it doesn't work | 23:32 |
| Zucca | jacekowski: So then my microSD should appear as /dev/sdd... | 23:32 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: something like that | 23:33 |
| MiXu- | And I don't know what's sygic's policy on updates. You might have to pay for them. | 23:33 |
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| Zucca | Let's try... | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: just type dmesg after you connect it | 23:33 |
| Zucca | Ok. | 23:33 |
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| jacekowski | and you can see what's happening | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to be sick | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | fu** | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | again | 23:33 |
| jacekowski | 3rd time in this year already | 23:34 |
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| flailingmonkey | N900killa: they didn't get shutdown, they moved so they could focus and not have to re-explain OTG vs hostmode for the thousandth time | 23:34 |
| jef91 | Mixu- hrm thats odd | 23:34 |
| MiXu- | jef91: Why odd? | 23:34 |
| DrGrov | A offtopic Macbook question. | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | Can I keep the Macbook charging even after I shut it down? | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | DrGrov: sell it | 23:35 |
| jef91 | Well maps change all the time | 23:35 |
| jef91 | most map programs update them | 23:35 |
| jef91 | or allow you to | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | DrGrov: oO? | 23:35 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: unfortunately I can not sell it since it is my fiancees macbook | 23:35 |
| jef91 | to adjust to changing things | 23:35 |
| jacekowski | DrGrov: get rid of her and sell it | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | jef91: ask sygic | 23:36 |
| jef91 | DrGrov +1 for jacekowski | 23:36 |
| MiXu- | jef91: The last one I had updated like once a year | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | DrGrov: it will save you lot of money | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | You can't just get rid of people and sell their stuff. | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Well - unless you have developed a filesystem. | 23:36 |
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| DrGrov | jef91: who the fuck are you to judge me? | 23:36 |
| DrGrov | jef91: but yes, i do understand the irony in that statement :) | 23:36 |
| jacekowski | stop fucking swearing | 23:37 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: yes, i will stop fucking swearing | 23:37 |
| jacekowski | good | 23:37 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: but seriously now... i can still keep it charging with the wall charger even though it is turned off? i mean it will perhaps tell me once it is fully charged. | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | well, normall laptops keep charging after you switch them off | 23:38 |
| DrGrov | Fuck fuck fuck... I had it with this Macbook | 23:38 |
| jacekowski | i'm kinda surprised that macbook isn't | 23:38 |
| flailingmonkey | yeah, it will charge | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you really think reisserfs helps on the issue? | 23:38 |
| DrGrov | God damn this devil Macbook! | 23:39 |
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| Zucca | jacekowski: http://dpaste.com/210748/ No sign of /dev/sdd :| | 23:39 |
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| jacekowski | DrGrov: try asking on #mac | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | DrGrov: don't mention me or you will get banned | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | i caused lot of mischief there | 23:39 |
| MiXu- | , | 23:39 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: yeah, i will do that. no, i will not. i do hate mac, it is like anthrax for my blood. | 23:39 |
| MiXu- | meant to say "lol" | 23:39 |
| jacekowski | DrGrov: something is seriously wrong with that picture | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | DrGrov: not for you | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: orly? can't believe it :-p | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: that was for you | 23:40 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: yes, perhaps so. you are seeing the picture in front of you? | 23:40 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: what does lsusb say | 23:40 |
| Zucca | Shows only one device. :E | 23:41 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: quite gruesome eh? | 23:41 |
| trem | nite alll, sweet dreams | 23:41 |
| DrGrov | I told my fiancee not to buy a Mac but no. She wanted and craved for it so bloody have it then! | 23:41 |
| MiXu- | Install windows on it | 23:41 |
| Zucca | jacekowski: http://dpaste.com/210751/ | 23:41 |
| jacekowski | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 23:41 |
| DrGrov | MiXu-: nooooo! windows is even worse for me than os x. | 23:41 |
| sx0n|home | i like osx | 23:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | please... | 23:42 |
| sx0n|home | never had one, but they have nice pictures on site | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: it should detect something | 23:42 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: i mean - empty device | 23:42 |
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| jacekowski | Zucca: but it's not detecting anything | 23:42 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: perhaps just because you made fun out of me i should actually go to #mac and tell that you are the person responsible for sending me on a anti-mac crusade | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | could we switch to something more on topic? e.g Germany 1 | 23:42 |
| Zucca | jacekowski: First I bet that it was hal that's messing things up, but then if lsusb doesn't show anything... | 23:42 |
| Zucca | I really out of ideas here. :| | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: try switching off your phone | 23:43 |
| jacekowski | Zucca: and connect it like that | 23:43 |
| DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: of course dear lord. :) sorry for my mischief behaviour | 23:43 |
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| Zucca | jacekowski: I did. Nothing happens. | 23:43 |
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| DrGrov | Tomorrow my sole purpose is to watch Italy destroy Slovakia and get drunk since my holiday starts | 23:44 |
| Zucca | \o/ Vacation. Tomorrow! | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to eat something | 23:44 |
| DrGrov | I got myself a nice 6, almost 7, week vacation | 23:44 |
| jacekowski | and then probably sleep | 23:45 |
| Zucca | Mee too. | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | good night everyone | 23:45 |
| DrGrov | good night jacekowski | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: you seem - i'm trying to be nice now | 23:45 |
| jacekowski | s/seem/see/ | 23:45 |
| infobot | jacekowski meant: DocScrutinizer51: you see - i'm trying to be nice now | 23:45 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: just because you go now i will not forget how you treated me regarding the Macbook | 23:45 |
| Zucca | I think I just repartition my SD card with card reader. I just hate to open N900 backpanel... | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: :-D | 23:45 |
| DrGrov | jacekowski: ;) | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually even insanefaka err n900XXXX is amazingly easy to digest today | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | much appreciated | 23:47 |
| flailingmonkey | wait, you partitioned you mircoSD card? | 23:47 |
| flailingmonkey | thats why | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEAH :-P bingo | 23:47 |
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| flailingmonkey | Zucca, reformat the microSD card, no partitioning should be done... | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | though partitioning in itself seems not the showstopper. A non-VFAT 1st partition is, though | 23:48 |
| flailingmonkey | or fix the export script :-p | 23:48 |
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| Zucca | Is there some easy to use partitioning app for maemo then? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I got a uSD16G here with 12G VFAT 1.; 3.5G ext3; and a swap. It just works | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | for the VFAT partition | 23:49 |
| DrGrov | Good | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, germany won! | 23:49 |
| DrGrov | The macbook is charging as I predicted. Eventually the green light will go on when it is fully charged. My fiancee hates when I use her stuff and the battery is low. | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG51 | bolt that door | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: [2010-06-23 22:42:54] <DocScrutinizer> could we switch to something more on topic? e.g Germany 1 | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, they fired crackers and drive around honking and vovozeling | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, I just logged on, how do you expect me to see that :D | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: that's why I copied it just for you :-D | 23:51 |
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| DrGrov | Germany - England on Sunday then as the early game | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMFG | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, aww, sanks :D | 23:51 |
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| DrGrov | Die Deutsche mannschaft ist ser gut :) | 23:52 |
| DrGrov | Or something remotely close to that statement. Forgive my poor German skills | 23:52 |
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| MohammadAG51 | The datch mannshaft is very good? | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | idk german btw | 23:52 |
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| DrGrov | The German troops are good | 23:52 |
| DrGrov | Or the German squad is good | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG51 | i was close :D | 23:52 |
| DrGrov | Yes, close :) | 23:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Lerry leiks to dress up funny. Tonite he is dressed up leik Frenk Sappa. Letz ask him WATZ ZEDEEEL | 23:53 |
| DrGrov | I do not know why I always get freaked out by the battery time on the N900. | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | on that note | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG51 | I just bought my 3rd battery | 23:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: somebody told ya they can be recharged? :-P | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, oops, thought they were disposable | 23:55 |
| _0x471 | Good evening! Is anyone around that could help me out with porting a Debian package to Maemo? I know the wiki but it seems I have big troubles with outdated packages required to build it in the SDK. Unfortunately nobody is available in #maemo-devel | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG51 | just ask | 23:57 |
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| MohammadAG51 | wtf? | 23:57 |
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| _0x471 | MohammadAG51: typing | 23:58 |
| MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, is that one of your "MANY" nicks? | 23:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I am known by MANY NAMES | 23:59 |
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