IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-06-24

DocScrutinizerand seems I urgently need a good shot of loud 200Motels00:00
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DocScrutinizermytery roach, for example00:00
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_0x471Well, I'm trying to port libboost 1.40 to Maemo. It somehow worked with 1.38 (it's in extras-devel). I have to mix three sources for the following reasons: The original 1.40 debian package uses new source format so it cannot be apt-get sourced in the SDK (outdated). The previous 1.40 package is tagged in the Debian SVN. But in there is only the ./debian/ dir, so no actual sources. That means I'm using the 1.40 release sources from boost, the 1.40-400:01
_0x471I had to tweak a few lines in order to make it stop complain (debhelper 7 etc)00:02
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_0x471Finally it starts to build but miserably fails with the following output:
_0x471Now it's your turn MohammadAG51 :)00:03
_0x471brb, cig ->00:04
MohammadAG51_0x471, check the wiki entry about debhelper700:05
MohammadAG51brb myself00:05
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_0x471yeah indeed, i read all of it00:13
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_0x471i had to use the alternative thingy tho, dehelper7 didn't help much. So I changed the required version to 500:14
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_0x471MohammadAG51 (in case you didn't notice)00:15
MohammadAG51just a sec00:16
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DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG51: I gother you're not onn a decent connection right now?00:17
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solrizedell small business is really selling stuff cheap but i'm terrified to buy from them.  has anyone bought their n900 and not gotten spammed to within an inch of their life afterwards?00:18
SpeedEvilUse a fake address00:19
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DocScrutinizer51sometimes I see parallels everywhere00:19
solrizehow are they going to send the n900 to a fake address?  i mean snail mail spam00:19
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SpeedEvilsolrize: You could use mine.00:19
SpeedEvilI shall screen the mail for you.00:20
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_0x471MohammadAG51: /me is more important than zappa?00:22
digitalsurgeonDocScrutinizer51: did u sell ur iphone yet ?00:25
DocScrutinizer51digitalsurgeon: havemyou stopped beating your wife?00:25
MohammadAG51_0x471, no, dinner is00:27
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_0x471almost bed time here :/00:28
MohammadAG_0x471, did you add the lines to the debian/rules file?00:28
MohammadAGfor debhelper700:28
_0x471I tried at first, but this didn't help much. I had to reduce the 7s to 5s00:29
_0x471Are you ignoring my response? :P00:30
_0x471Alternatively, you can try to use debhelper 5. Debian packages that  require level 7 need some changes, for example:   debian/compat: 7 -> 5  debian/control: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7) ->  debhelper (>= 5)  Possibly, comment out a few dh_* calls from debian/rules,  which might not exist on level 500:30
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_0x471MohammadAG: The build would still fail adding these lines to the debian/rules. Still complaining about the debhelper not being Version 7.00:31
_0x471Let me add them one more time for you to see the errors00:32
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_0x471MohammadAG: adding them right on top, k?00:36
DocScrutinizer51eten M800, samsung OMNIA, LIN900 nobrand linux featurephone proto, 2 Openmoko Neo 1973, ~10 Neo Freerunner, 2 GTA03 protoboards, Nokia first 6210, 2 N810, 2 N900.  Damn, NO spyPone00:37
MohammadAG_0x471, yes, after comments, if there are any00:37
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_0x471MohammadAG: so i did00:39
_0x471[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /home/user/MyDocs/boost/fkingsht/boost1.40-1.40.0] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot00:39
_0x471dpkg-buildpackage: source package is boost1.4000:39
_0x471dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 1.40.0-4maemo100:39
_0x471dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Steve M. Robbins <>00:39
_0x471dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture armel00:39
_0x471dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 1.40.0-4maemo100:39
_0x471: Using Scratchbox tools to satisfy builddeps00:39
_0x471-: Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: debhelper 5.0.4200:39
_0x471: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: bison00:39
_0x471: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: docbook-to-man00:39
_0x471: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: xsltproc00:39
_0x471: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: doxygen00:39
_0x471dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7)00:39
_0x471dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.00:39
_0x471dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)00:39
MohammadAG_0x471, use pastebin next time, change debian/control's debhelper (>= 7) to debhelper700:39
JustAnotherGuywhenever I open a mail on my N900 using my mail for exchange account it now takes 7-10 seconds. There's hgh cpu usage in dbus-daemon during the pause, is there anything I can do to debug the problem?00:40
JustAnotherGuyit's fine for IMAP and it used to be fin for MfE00:41
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_0x471MohammadAG: My fault, I didn't see the hint. It's not very clear that you'd have to change that one in the debian/control. Maybe someone should make this more clear in the Wiki? For now it's building, lets see what it turns out.00:42
_0x471aaaaaaand there it is00:43
_0x471same as before00:43
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MohammadAGwhich is? (
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_0x471this one sir:
_0x471if you need more log, please let me know00:45
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JustAnotherGuyjust deleted my MfE account and created it again and now it's fine00:47
JustAnotherGuyfor future reference00:47
_0x471MohammadAG did you see it?00:51
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MohammadAGNo idea mate, I suck at debugging C/C++00:53
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_0x471k then I'm giving up too. I messed around with it all day long and it's really frustrating successfully building it on one system but failing on another. I'm still wondering why Maemo and the SDK is so incredible outdated... This kinda kills my will to help/contribute and enthusiasm. Well, thanks for your time, MohammadAG!00:56
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MohammadAG[  857.717590] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered <-- quite worrying00:57
MohammadAGAnytime _0x471, I don't see any probs with the SDK :)00:58
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_0x471MohammadAG: big issues with the SDK. If I cp -R the directory over to my Ubuntu machine, and run the same command, it builds with no errors. What else could be the problem then?00:59
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SpeedEvilDoes anyone happen to know if javascript pausing has gone upstream and is in firefox nightlies, or any releases yet?01:00
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_0x471MohammadAG: Any idea who could have ported the boost libs?
_0x471Guess he could help me out01:08
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_0x471ok never mind, got to hit the sack01:19
_0x471nn all01:19
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MohammadAGo/ lcukn90002:00
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kWDoes anybody know which directory the camera application wants to access to write images and movies?02:04
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ShadowJKbut it's messier than just a directory iirc02:06
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ptlmy processor temperatura was at 51°C02:43
ptljust because I was uploading something to youtube02:43
Proteousas long as you don't go over 90C you are fine02:44
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ptlput it in front of the fan02:44
ptltemperatura is at 46°C now02:44
N900evilthere is no accufrate processor temp.02:44
ptlit's ok to be approximate.02:45
N900evilit is completely bogus at least some time02:45
ptlit's consistent02:45
ptlI refreshed the temperature indicator because the device seemed hot02:46
ptlso I saw 51°C02:46
N900evilAs in, it would not move at all when I md5summed /dev/zero02:46
N900evilwhere are you getting thyis temp from?02:46
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N900evilI mean the cpu temp  meter.02:47
ptl39°C now... much better02:47
ShadowJKThat's not CPU temp02:47
N900evilthat's the motherboard temperature02:47
N900evilthe battery charge meter02:47
ptlI thought it was measured by the battery which is next to the CPU02:47
ptlisn't it?02:48
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ptlso in part it reflects the CPU temperature02:48
GAN900The first thing my mother did when she wanted to get the SIM out of her new iPhone 4 was stick a pin in the ambient noise mic on the top. . . .02:48
ShadowJKThere's no temperature sensor in the battery02:48
ptlso it's kinda odd that the battery charge kernel driver returns a temperature02:49
ShadowJKiirc bq27200 is a bit away from cpu+sdram+nand stack02:49
crashanddieGAN900: re02:49
crashanddieGAN900: cur02:49
crashanddieGAN900: sion02:49
ShadowJKWell the charge meter chip has a crude die temperature sensor, it's only natural to report whatever info the chip provides02:50
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ShadowJK(the battery gauge chip uses temp sensor to detect subzero temperatures and reduce available energy estimate)02:55
ptlGAN900 facepalmed because I used 'battery', ok, saying battery was a silly thing, I wanted to say the charge meter as the name 'charge meter' and 'battery' are kinda exchangeable in my language02:55
MohammadAG51Change your language02:56
ptlI did02:56
GAN900ptl, I facepalmed at my mother sticking a pin in a mic hole.02:56
ptlbut some confusions happen sometimes.02:56
ptlI am typing in english02:56
ptlGAN900: oh, ok02:56
Proteous"sticking a pin in the mic hole" is that what the kids are calling it nowdays?02:57
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SpeedEvilptl: the The charge meter - looking at the board pics - is around 1.5cm from the CPU02:59
ptlnot that close02:59
crashanddieGAN900: I just quoted you in another channel, and some dude went "crashanddie, I knew I'd seen your nickname before, #maemo right?". The guy remembered #maemo from YOUR "GAN900" instantly.02:59
SpeedEvilIt is.02:59
ptlbut not that far also02:59
GAN900crashanddie, that's sad for me.02:59
SpeedEvilptl: the CPU temp I suspect is not greatly affecting that.03:00
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SpeedEvilptl: what were you doing at this time?03:00
SpeedEvilptl: as the cell modem and wifi will use the same as teh CPU flat-out sometimes03:00
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ptlSpeedEvil: uploading a video to youtube, using nethogs wlan0 to see upload taxes, using X-Chat and tree more browser windows open on, only that03:01
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ptl*three more browser03:01
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SpeedEvilThat's going to be using the wlan flat out, and the CPU flat out too, and the backlight too03:03
SpeedEvilThough the backlight doesn't heat the board03:03
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alludusHi, what for is file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 on n900. Can i change keyboardmapping from there?03:13
MohammadAG51heritage from the RX-44 I guess03:14
MohammadAG51keep it anyways03:14
SpeedEvilThe 44 was an early unreleased proto?03:14
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alludusI cant really figure our how to change Å(Aring) key to Alt key...03:15
LantiziaCan the N900 ovi maps do voices and driving mode?03:16
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SpeedEvilLantizia: Not on n900, as I understand it.03:16
alludusis there any memo where it shows key codes like (key <AB08>) is this key on kb03:16
SpeedEvilLantizia: It does on others as I understand it.03:16
Lantiziathought as much, can you recommend any other map apps that can for the N900 ?03:17
SpeedEvilthere is sygic03:17
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SpeedEvilI think03:17
SpeedEvilthat's the only one03:17
SpeedEvilWell - then there are various openstreetmap and other stuff.03:17
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SpeedEvilIs htere a picasa sharing plugin?03:25
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alludusohh i got it now >.<03:29
alludusstupid me03:29
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MohammadAG51SpeedEvil,  sharing-service-picasa03:30
SpeedEvilCurse these impossible-to-decipher names!03:31
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SpeedEvilReading state information... Done03:32
SpeedEvilE: Handler silently failed03:32
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, ovi03:32
MohammadAG51user/hidden to be more precise03:32
MohammadAG51some version of apt broke installs from there03:33
MohammadAG51i have a reversed deb - somewhere03:33
SpeedEvilhmm - is timing out for me03:34
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MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, or edit ~/home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager and set red pill mode and red pill mode permanent to 103:37
SpeedEvilwhat does red pill mode do03:38
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MohammadAG51enable red pill, the package would show up in app manager03:38
MohammadAG51but that's too slow03:38
asjOSM can't do routing yet though :(03:39
SpeedEvilasj: you can do routing ont he data03:39
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, pin apt when you install my deb03:39
SpeedEvilasj: there are several services that do03:39
asjSpeedEvil: sorry, I stated that to generically, you can not route with the n90003:39
asjand do turn-by-turn03:40
SpeedEvilI had a voice nav app on the n90003:40
SpeedEvilbut I lost it when I reflashed pr1.003:40
SpeedEviland I haven't rewritten03:40
SpeedEvil3 line dbus-monitor+awk+espeak03:40
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asjSpeedEvil: there's ebough dbus info flowing out from ovi maps? or some other app? that's interesting03:42
SpeedEvilno - just positio03:42
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asjah ok03:42
SpeedEvilIt was a very silly 'left'/right warmer/colder thing03:42
asjah ok03:43
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crashanddieList of reasons why you shouldn't be afraid to leave me with your kids: "Number 3: I never killed anyone by accident." <-- somehow, that's not a very good argument.03:53
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crashanddiedamn, I really hate the summer break04:04
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crashanddieall the good shows stop, and the best shows that remain air episodes like droplets in a river04:05
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crashanddieand in other news, a drunk driver trapped after overturning his car cracked open another can of beer while he waited for emergency crews to rescue him.04:07
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ptloh, come on04:36
ptland I thought android had useful applications04:36
ptljust took a walk on and saw only stupid apps04:36
ptlnow I just stumbled on this:
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ptlN900 has way more useful applications04:36
Rabidus"the page cannot be found"04:36
Rabidusoh sorry, it was next line timestamp04:37
Rabidussry, not related to you directly04:38
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e-yesptl, stop advert your favorite application04:45
ptlok, I will04:47
ptllet's do it for maemo!04:47
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Kleggaswell, think I read some time ago somewhere about attempts to make a selfcharging battery based on movement. That app could be really good to have around then ;)05:03
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crashanddieOh the irony of a Android-dedicated website running ASP05:30
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: gimme thanks05:31
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GAN900crashanddie, for?05:32
crashanddieGAN900: dunno, just see you browsing topics I've posted in05:32
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pytherJust got my N900 today, was wondering if there was native support for AIM and MSN05:41
asjpyther: yes, install the extra IM plugins05:42
pigeonspeaking of which, which msn plugin do you people use? haze or butterfly or pecan?05:43
pytherasj: do I need the pidgin plugin stuff?05:46
asjpyther: mmmm, don't think so, you want the Conversations extra plugins05:46
asjpyther: might be in extras-testing? (devel?)05:46
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pythermaybe this "Pidgin protocols plugin for Conversations and Contacts"05:48
asjpyther: yeah that sounds good05:49
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luke-jrpyther: better off not usign them :)05:52
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pytherIs there a good intro guide on configuring the N900?05:55
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e-yesspecial "thanks" for irc plugin for conversation, very useful.06:05
e-yesactually, is there any alternative that "know" about notification facilities (sound/lights) of n900?06:08
pytherStupid question but how can i set a profile?06:08
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asjpyther: push the power button, or touch the battery06:13
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pytherasj: perfect thanks06:20
pythercan't wait for my case to come so I can actually start using it06:21
pytherasj: is possbile to create an additional profile?06:21
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asjpyther: heh, no06:23
pytherthat is disappointing, oh well06:24
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pigeonpyther,asj: you can with tweakr07:45
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DocScrutinizermo Stskeeps08:11
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: do you think it's incident the NITs use 'u' to enter bootloader flashmode, just like uBoot based devices do?08:12
andre__Stskeeps, heja!08:12
DocScrutinizer'u' could mean 'update' as well. But I always thought it's 'uBoot'08:13
DocScrutinizeri.e is NOLO == uBoot+/-x ?08:14
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: yes, i think it's incident08:16
DocScrutinizerhmm, a pity :-D08:16
DocScrutinizerno lever to as for source of NOLO ;-)08:17
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: well. NOLO is signed and hence you can't replace it, why bother having the source?08:22
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DocScrutinizerI'm not sure about that08:22
DocScrutinizernot convinced to be precise08:23
Stskeepsi'm quite sure08:23
Corsacwho does the nolo sign check?08:24
StskeepsOMAP HS rom, i believe08:24
Corsacand what does it do if the check fails? it'll refuse to boot?08:24
Corsac(a bit like TPM?)08:24
magic_silver_boxdont worry08:24
magic_silver_boxi have carrots08:24
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Corsacdoes that use trustzone, or is it a standard arm feature?08:24
Stskeepsdunno, i just know it's there and not to fuck with it :P08:25
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luke-jrStskeeps: think I can get the Maemo calendar working in tonal? XD08:30
luke-jrtekojo: morning08:31
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DocScrutinizerI always thought there are 2 versions of OMAP wrt signature checking initial loader08:41
* DocScrutinizer suggests a joint effort to brute force crack the signature (or Nokia publishes the signing key to document they're not as evil as you'd think)08:43
Stskeepsi think there's bigger fish to fry, tbh08:44
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DocScrutinizersure. But some are small, delicious, and look funny08:45
Stskeepshow's charging coming along?08:45
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DocScrutinizerand I feel like Nokia's hostage *just another time*. Nobody told me I can't revert from 1.2 celmo (and I'm pondering whom to sue if the repair dept at Nokia will fry my 1.1 cellmo FW during fixing the power switch), and now I have to learn they can replace NOLO any time with a signature checking version not allowing me to install my own kernels on device, and there's just nothing I can do if that happens (except knowing in advance and just not08:48
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DocScrutinizercharging was declared a low low low priority for *meego* afaicr, for hostmode it's also no showstopper, so nothing essential has been done yet08:49
asjDocScrutinizer:  did you look at the security model they proposed for maemo6?08:49
CorsacDocScrutinizer: afaik the security model should allow you to boot an unsigned kernel, but some functions won't be enabled08:49
* DocScrutinizer heads to bathroom to puke - please, not this time of day, even before my breakfast08:50
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: well, until handset day one (this month), anything else is a low priority, but we're not exactly having luck with the closed charging either..08:50
Corsac(the exact range of what is enabled is not clear for me, especially I don't know if it'll be possible to use security functions, encryption etc. with a custom kernel)08:50
MiXu-_"# Individuals can now register as Ovi Publishers"08:50
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: afaik SSU's can't upgrade nolo/won't, so i wouldn't worry about that..08:50
asjDocScrutinizer: point being, they've stated if you don't want drm features you can install any kernel you want with maemo608:50
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: so you tell me I should push it up to top of my ToDo list?08:50
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: well, i was just asking about the current state :P but i guess usb host is higher atm08:51
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: a basic working charge mode can be implemented til next week though08:51
Stskeepshave you successfully made it charge so far?08:51
Corsacwho needs charging anyway08:52
DocScrutinizerthere's few unknown ground to break08:52
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Stskeepspersonally i'd be interested in a simple charging, doesn't have to be efficient, just has to work and stop in error situations08:53
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: a basic working *safe* charging, that just doesn't deal with special niche cases like overtemperature etc, is basically a oneliner08:53
DocScrutinizerand it worked08:53
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: define 'error situation'08:53
tybolltStskeeps: Z500 eh? o_O08:53
Stskeepstybollt: what are you talking about?08:53
tybolltyeah what AM I talking about :)08:54
Stskeepstybollt: isn't that a intel atom processor? :P08:54
digitalsurgeonz500 doesnt seem a real name to me08:54
digitalsurgeoneldar is propbably drunk when he said that08:54
tybolltthere was a meego product demog of a supposed Nookla product (next gen tablet) w/ meego08:54
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tybollteldar drunk? A russian guy  drunk?08:55
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer: charging certainly is a showstopper08:55
tybolltNEVAR HAPPENED08:55
DocScrutinizerluke-jr: for what? hostmode? nope08:55
luke-jrDocScrutinizer: for basic device usage08:55
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: define 'error situation'08:56
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: otherwise there's few I can do for you :-P08:56
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: well, as in, if chip reports any errors, stop charging, all those kind of things..08:56
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DocScrutinizerTHAT will happen automatically :-P08:56
DocScrutinizerok, so would you feel happy this morning to announce working charging start of next week, on #magoo-meeting ?08:57
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: you can always mention you're starting the work, i can't really touch the code for various reasons08:57
DocScrutinizeryou don't have to, I just realized you're in a kind of a pinch, so I'll look into it and should deliver mnday08:58
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rmrfchikguys, what are you charging?08:59
DocScrutinizerlast info I got from you was "not before October"08:59
Stskeeps:nod: well, it's honestly easier to discuss things when there's something tangible in the open that works08:59
DocScrutinizerthat's what I offered to you, so smile!08:59
Stskeepsi am, but the coffee isn't working yet09:00
DocScrutinizersame here09:00
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luke-jrworking yet?09:00
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: fact is, SpeedEvil and me we both have charged battery successfully without bme09:01
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Stskeepsgot graphs to prove it? :P09:01
tybolltpics or it didnt happen09:01
DocScrutinizerleme check, I think I had a logger running09:01
DocScrutinizercan do that til monday as well, to back up my claim the one-liner really works09:02
DocScrutinizerStskeeps: ok, mr chairman, take it to meego-meeting, as I feel like having a nap. Tell me what you decided upon ("ok we could use that - no, forget it)09:04
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: also what's the minimum requirement specs09:05
DocScrutinizerfor the basic charger for meego09:05
tybolltcynical doc is ... cynical... :)09:05
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DocScrutinizerthere's nothing cynic in me ATM09:06
tybollt'ATM' :P09:06
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer: personally i think it would be good to have, with graphics showing charging working, perhaps with graphing of temperatures, etc, you know, the works09:17
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Stskeepslike, a nice report on why this actually works09:17
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DocScrutinizertemp is a bit hard as there's actually no way to get cell temp09:18
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DocScrutinizernext best thing you can get is bq24150 chip die temperature09:19
Stskeepswhat does DSME/BME use then? i know there's a GET_TEMPERATURE request or something09:20
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: don't ask *ME*09:36
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: generic question to everyone :)09:37
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DocScrutinizerthought you got better (re)sources09:37
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dotblank does anyone get a happy feeling when you realize you can delete code from a project?10:40
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MiXu-_Sure :)10:41
sandst1it's a purifying experience ^^10:41
MiXu-_If it means optimizing. If it's dropping features, then it's not so satisfying.10:41
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dotblanklike you write a new class and makes a bunch of code obsolete :)10:42
sandst1dotblank: exactly :)10:43
dotblankalthough now im stuck on a bug :(10:43
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ds3anyone know if flashing the NAND image/rootfs fiasco image will result in dataloss or corruption of the installed apps database?10:49
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tekojods3: it will be wiped clean, so back-up before flash10:50
tekojoand if for some reason you would flash the emmc back-up to external card :)10:51
ds3I intend to, just trying to see if I will have to reinstall all apps to keep the dpkg database sane or not10:52
ds3it seems packages live in /home which appears to be on the emmc so the binaries will be there but /usr is on the NAND whichshould be wiped out10:53
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dotblankgrrr... I blame grooveshark10:54
dotblankmust be down or acting slow or under maintenance10:54
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dotblankthats the reason10:57
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hajds3: whan you do backup you just make sure it backs up the application list..10:58
hajds3: then after you flash you and you restore the backup, you can select "Restore Applications" in Application Manager.. then it installes the apps for you.. (not sure about ovistore stuff though?)10:59
ds3don't care about ovistore10:59
ds3and how does one backup the app list?11:00
hajuse the backup-application... it's pretty obvious11:01
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hajnew backup -> name -> select everything.. :)11:02
ds3oh... didn't know it remembers the applications; just thought it did dataonly11:02
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DocScrutinizerit remembers the app *list* and re-installs apps on restore (if the apps were isnatlled via appmanager, you need to handle things  separately on your own which are installed via apt-get)11:12
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DocScrutinizerobviously it depends on particular app if any settings in ~/.app/* are kept or are deleted on re-install11:14
MohammadAG51wouldn't that fail unless they edited apt-get?11:15
MohammadAG51some users don't use the app manager11:16
Corsacthey should :)11:16
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MohammadAG51Corsac, tbh I'd edit mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of the app manager11:17
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TuukkaI have something draining my battery really fast, is there something i can do to identify the cause?11:38
prontoall that porn man, stop it11:38
Corsactry top11:38
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TuukkaXorg -logf is taking 1,6%11:39
Tuukkais that normal?11:40
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Bactiusmight be something else11:40
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TuukkaThe drain started to occur few days after installin queen beecon and powerkernel.11:42
hajTuukka: seems normal11:42
tybolltI don't run any crazy whacky powerkernals!111 but I still get mad bat drainage.11:43
jacekowski8h isn't mad11:43
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tybolltMy phone was fully charge this morning when I woke up ... an hour later at work it has drained 1/3d of the batt - WHIE ENTIRELY IDLE11:44
TuukkaUsually i have been been able to get almost 2 days of usage with moderate usage, now it drains within a day even if i don't do anything :// Guess i'll just reflash11:45
frals_most likely youve installed something which is misbehaving11:46
Venemogood morning guys11:46
VenemoI have a question11:46
TuukkaHaven't installed anything lately, just updates.11:46
ShadowJKor then it's the wlan bug11:47
frals_well updates can introduce bugs :p11:47
Venemoif I create a .deb package from my app, and wish to launch the app immediately in the post-install, how should I do that?11:47
ShadowJKtuukka: is it still alive?11:47
BactiusI have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error11:47
Bactius: you do not have access to the site11:47
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TuukkaShadowJK, what do you mean? Is it working, yeah11:48
ShadowJKare you trying to surf the web when connected to the mms apn?11:48
obsidiethmy n900 doesnt actually get down to 250MHz, seems stuck at 50011:48
obsidiethim using the ideal kernel profile, and have removed the 'avoid frequencies'11:48
Bactiusthis occurs while on the mobile connection11:48
ShadowJKTuukkaÖ I mean have you  rebooted since?11:48
obsidiethbut it still wont scale down that far.11:48
ShadowJKobsidieth, connected charger or usb?11:49
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TuukkaShadowJK, yeah a few times doesn't help11:49
ShadowJKYeah it doesn't go below 500 when connected to usb11:49
obsidieththats interesting.11:49
ShadowJKTuukka, facebook widget, 3g data active?11:49
obsidiethvery nice.11:49
obsidiethhas anyone else been using such low frequencies, heh.11:50
TuukkaShadowJK no facebook widget and no connections enabled11:50
ShadowJKOk now that's strange :)11:50
TuukkaWell i'll uninstall some apps that might cause it and see if the problem disappears11:51
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ShadowJKWhat do you have installed?11:51
BactiusShadowJK: It looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN11:53
Bactius(got a phonecall)11:53
ShadowJKhm :/11:53
obsidiethhmm. it seems to jump between 125 and 900 quite frequently. im wondering if one could lower the threshold that causes it to scale.11:54
TuukkaShadowJK: Auto Disconnect, Quuen Beecon, Powerkernel + settings, 3g/2g/dual mode applet, ConnectNow,  Easy debian, DCEW,  + many more11:56
ShadowJKWell, consider that normall the CPU is at 0 MHz the majority of time, this eats the least power. Unless there's something that constantly requires small amounts of processing, it's most efficient to go up to fastest speed, complete the tasks that exist, and go back to sleep11:56
ShadowJKWhat's queen beecon?11:57
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obsidiethits basically sitting at 125 while im not on it, but occasionally spiking to 90011:57
BCMMShadowJK: at 0 MHz?11:57
obsidiethim hoping like, since its only background tasks, it could maybe jump to 500 or 250 instead11:57
obsidiethof all the way to 900. save me a bit of juice.11:58
ShadowJKBCMM, yep, clocks off, voltage off11:58
TuukkaHildon-satus-m uses constantly some cpu aswell could it be it? 0.6-1.3%11:58
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obsidiethhmm. what is that.11:58
ShadowJKTuukka, I think hildon-status-menu is holding all the stuff that comes out when you tap on the clock11:59
ShadowJKTuukka, 'ifconfig', do you see wlan0 or wmaster0 ?11:59
TuukkaShadowJK, should it just idle when the status/power menu ain't in usage12:00
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ShadowJKWell it also draws signal strength and battery icon I think..12:01
TuukkaShadowJK,  Can't find those12:02
ShadowJKok, that's good12:02
ShadowJKat 33% drain per hour the phone should be pretty warm I think?12:03
obsidiethi might have to run the battery monitor and see where im at.12:03
obsidiethtoday my phone barely lasted through my 9 to 5:p12:03
jacekowskiobsidieth: that's kinda normal12:05
obsidiethim sure i can do better.12:06
ShadowJKmine lasted about 2-3 days per charge when using original battery and being mostly offline since I couldn't afford roaming :)12:06
obsidiethmaybe its 3g chewing it up12:07
obsidiethi checked, not catorise.12:07
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ShadowJK3g can be very power consuming12:09
ShadowJKOne packet every 5 seconds is enough to keep the 3g radio constantly active and empty battery is 4-6 hours or less12:09
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jacekowskiwell, i have problem with tmobile12:12
jacekowskii can't use internet unless i run ping in background12:12
jacekowskiand and 10-15 pings come back with like 15s round trip time12:12
jacekowskiand then it starts going down12:12
Duckbootjacekowski: Agressive disconnectpolicy.12:12
jacekowskiwell, that only happens if i don't have full signal12:13
jacekowskiwhen i'm in colchester with full 3g signal it works fine12:13
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mirfit has arrived!12:30
mirfn900 in a box under my desk12:30
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vldcnstunpack it!12:31
mirfproblem is I'm at work so I can't open it yet ... noooo12:31
stondajust do it12:31
mirflunch is in an hour and a half12:31
mirfif I get it out now I'll do nothgin for the rest of the day haha12:31
Duckbootmirf: Say to anyone that asks: I'm assigned to testing out the new company phones.12:32
mirfcould do12:35
mirfeveryone knows thats' balls tho12:35
mirfI can wait12:35
mirfit's fine12:35
mirftempted to get out and charging at least though12:36
_0x47hey ho! anyone has an idea why I can't get the ubuntu repository to work in maemo?12:38
_0x47always getting 404s on apt-get update12:38
_0x47i assume they have armel packages tho12:38
Appiahdo you have the exact error?12:38
_0x47dunno if so12:38
Appiahmaybe just wrong path12:38
adeusno armel12:39
achipa_0x47: careful with that, if you install something that pulls in packages/libs that update the Maemo ones, it's super easy to hose your install12:39
_0x47no no, talking about SDK12:40
_0x47and I'm trying to get the source12:40
_0x47@ achipa12:40
_0x47adeus: no armel?12:41
_0x47ok, that would explain the problem12:41
Appiahno armel12:41
Appiahamd64 and i38612:41
adeusare those deb-src sources then?12:41
Appiahbut there is ARM packages for ubuntu lucid I know12:41
achipa_0x47: but that's no moon... you don't need binary repos for the source12:41
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_0x47lucid is too new i guess, maybe it's worth a try, but it seems most packages are in the new source format12:42
achipa(as you can see it got the source ones just fine)12:42
_0x47which is not understood by the SDK12:42
Appiahwell you can look around yourself12:42
Appiahthats all I know12:42
_0x47adeus: what do you mean?12:42
achipa_0x47: there is not error - just do apt-get source packagename12:42
_0x47Appiah: ok thanks12:42
Appiah <-- here you go ARM ubuntu packages12:43
_0x47achipa: i can't even do a apt-get update12:43
adeusremove the "deb http..." row12:43
achipa_0x47: but... you did. according to the pastebin12:43
adeusthere is no armel pacakged versions there, as you can see from the link from Appiah12:43
achipait's just the binary package list that failed, you got the source repos12:43
_0x47oh ok, let me try12:44
adeusthat's actually something you could do as well..12:44
adeusI always apt-get source on the host12:44
nomiserf. Sorry.12:45
_0x47thanks all! it works! (with removed deb... line)12:45
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BactiusI have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error: you do not have access to the site12:53
Bactiusthis occurs while on the mobile connection12:55
crashanddiewhere does the error appear?12:55
crashanddieAs if it were a webpage?12:55
BactiusIt looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN12:55
BactiusI cant visit webpages due to the above error12:56
crashanddieBactius: please answer the questions people ask you, in order to help you solve your issue12:56
crashanddieBactius: where does the error message appear? Is it displayed as if it were a webpage, in the browser?12:56
Bactiusyes. misunderstood the question12:57
crashanddiethen it would appear it is indeed a misconfigured internet connection12:57
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BactiusI get it in both web browsers12:57
loufoqueis there any cool game for N900 that uses the touch screen?12:58
crashanddieThe easiest solution is to find someone who has the same network provider as yourself (same contract would be a plus, too), and copy their settings12:58
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crashanddieBactius: if you didn't change anything, there is also a chance that you ran out of credit or something, and your provider has cut your connection12:58
Stskeepsloufoque: angry birds?12:58
loufoqueis that all there is?12:59
crashanddieloufoque: I can give you a great idea if you want to write one12:59
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Stskeepsloufoque: marbles..12:59
Bactiuscrashanddie: i can chat here, send emails and so on but not open webpages through browser windows13:00
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crashanddieBactius: do you have specific proxy settings?13:01
loufoqueBactius: does host resolution work properly?13:01
sandst1loufoque: Numpty Physics is pretty neet13:02
Bactiuscrashanddie: Yes. I got the connection settings sent again and got the message that the ones I had was identical with the new ones13:02
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loufoquesandst1: looks good indeed. Can't find it in the repos though13:05
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Bactiusloufoque: Don't know what you mean13:07
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loufoqueBactius: can you resolve names into IP addresses?13:08
MohammadAGe-yes, ping13:08
chem|sthell bad morning *moan*13:08
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crashanddiechem|st: stfu, bitch13:09
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chem|stloufoque: gweled eightyone "numpty physics(devel)" SPBBrainEvo Xploder need more?13:12
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chem|stcrashanddie: ty, thats what I needed... now I feel better!13:13
crashanddiechem|st: anytime13:13
sandst1loufoque: should be in extras-devel at least13:13
BactiusMohammedAG: Yes i could13:13
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Bactiusgot to go. bbl13:13
chem|stcrashanddie: how are you anyway? need a bit of a towel?13:13
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MohammadAGBactius, huh?13:13
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chem|stcrashanddie: trout13:14
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chem|stMohammadAG: thats all my morning, wtf wth stfu "whats the matter with you"13:15
MohammadAG<crashanddie> chem|st: stfu, bitch13:16
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MohammadAGchem|st, you're that mod on tmo right?13:17
chem|stand I wasn't even on tmo yet...13:17
sandst1loufoque: if not found there's always SVN
chem|styeah.... someone died already?13:17
obsidiethhmm. this battery lfie is really poor.13:17
MohammadAGchem|st, do you mind marking all users and hitting the Ban user button in modcp?13:17
obsidiethare wigets generally responsible for this.13:17
chem|stmodcp? gimme a link13:18
chem|stah modcp get it13:18
chem|stMohammadAG: all users where?13:18
MohammadAGchem|st, tmo doh...13:18
chem|sthehe you mean all like in ALL tmo right ;)13:18
crashanddiechem|st: ban these users: abill_uk, geneven, daperl. Thanks.13:19
MohammadAG <-- modcp, I've never seen a mod ask about it...13:19
MohammadAGchem|st, add CrashandDie to the list13:19
Stskeepsnah, geneven and daperl says sane things at times13:19
Stskeepsabill_uk should be duct-taped against an electric fence13:20
MohammadAGStskeeps too13:20
crashanddiegeneven is wanking twat13:20
MohammadAGStskeeps, tbh, you torture people more than an electric fence13:20
chem|stabill is currently discussed if we throw stones or yeah duct-taped against an electric fence13:20
crashanddiethrowing stones won't server anything13:20
MohammadAGif in doubt, choose both13:20
infobotcrashanddie meant: throwing stones won't serve anything13:21
chem|stMohammadAG: I will13:21
crashanddiechem|st: I really don't see why those things need discussion for so long13:21
chem|stcrashanddie: will serve my pleasure...13:21
tybolltcrashie: It might serve to pleasure the masochists :P13:21
MohammadAGif I was a mod I would've permbanned them13:21
crashanddiechem|st: everytime the guy gets one reply, he is fueled for days. Isn't that enough for an admin to just step up and get rid of the guy?13:22
MohammadAGthen again, I requested a mod drop on the site I mod13:22
crashanddieEveryone wants to do it, but Reggie doesn't want to take ownership of this kind of thing13:22
crashanddieMohammadAG: mods can't ban13:22
MohammadAGcrashanddie, WHAT!?13:22
crashanddiewe can ban spammers13:23
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crashanddieand we can give infraction points13:23
crashanddie(which can lead to temporary bans)13:23
MohammadAGif mods can't ban, what can you do...13:23
crashanddiebut there's no permbans AFAIK (maybe supermods have it)13:23
crashanddiewell, you can soft-delete posts, edit, move, reorganise, etc13:24
MohammadAGI can permban and I'm a normal mod (different site)13:24
crashanddieyeah, but that's for power hungry people13:24
loufoquechem|st: can't find SPBBrainEvo and Xploder13:24
crashanddieproof to point: you're an israeli powermonging bastard :P13:24
MohammadAGdo you always PM reggie to ban spambots?13:24
chem|stloufoque: ovi13:24
MohammadAGcrashanddie, XD13:24
crashanddieMohammadAG: not at all, we can ban spammers13:24
tybolltbecomming a mod - power hungry is implied crashie13:25
crashanddieMohammadAG: we can ban accounts that are less than 30 days old, and have less than 5 posts or something13:25
crashanddiechem|st: what are the numbers?13:25
MohammadAGlame :)13:25
crashanddietybollt: hey, I wasn't power hungry when I was a mod13:25
MohammadAGright... but you're power hungry here13:25
MohammadAGhence the +o :D13:26
crashanddieI'm not +o13:26
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*** crashanddie was kicked by MohammadAG (I'm a backstabber :))13:26
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crashanddieindeed, you are :)13:26
crashanddiewanna guess what?13:27
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crashanddieso am i13:27
chem|sttybollt: is it? I started with my inner want to have brainstorm cleaned up and actualy being useful13:27
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* MohammadAG stabs crashanddie13:27
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crashanddiechem|st: are you even a mod in brainstorm?13:28
obsidiethoh. man.i bet its the gps drinking all my power?13:28
chem|stcrashanddie: something like that yeah, no I am not mod in brainstorm as I barely find time to handle it because of all those wnaking twats13:29
MohammadAGnah, GPS doesn't use the battery13:29
crashanddiethere's a vuvuzela button13:29
MohammadAGit rapes it13:29
crashanddieyou can listen to the nice sound of vuvuzela's while watching your movie13:29
* RST38h stretches13:29
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RST38hSoooooo... What is new and exciting?13:29
MohammadAGRST38h, the world ended13:30
chem|stcrashanddie: I will get back to brainstorm when I get controls in the brainstorm system everything else is just useless13:30
RST38hMohammadAG: Cool, so that was what that button did...13:30
crashanddiechem|st: hey, we're not useless!13:30
crashanddiechem|st: don't say "everything else"13:30
MohammadAGRST38h, how's afterlife?13:30
MohammadAGcrashanddie, they're not useless, you are13:30
* MohammadAG sees an opportunity13:31
RST38hMohammadAG: Ah, splendid, eating/sleeping/screwing all the time13:31
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chem|stcrashanddie: I can moderate tmo-brainstorm as much as I want as long as I cannot moderate the maemo brainstorm it is glue on a wet surface13:31
chem|stso anything useless to add?13:31
MohammadAGwhy are there two brainstorm sections?13:31
RST38hchem|st: Add some cool brainstorms13:32
chem|stMohammadAG: where?13:32
infobottmo is probably, or trolls, morons, oxes13:32
RST38hchem|st: Like, a brainstorm to create a religion around Maemo13:32
MohammadAGchem|st, the tmo one, and the normal one13:32
crashanddiechem|st: I know that, I was just saying don't say "everything else is useless", cuz that kinda includes 99.9% of the world :)13:32
MohammadAGRST38h, that doesn't seem half bad13:32
crashanddiechem|st: you know, joke, pun, funny13:32
RST38hchem|st: Or a brainstorm to create a mascot13:32
crashanddieRST38h: don't you fecking go there again13:32
chem|stRST38h: I did add alot and one seems to get the most exciting program onto n900 as the upstream project directly got involved13:33
crashanddiethe mascot was probably the worst idea we've ever had13:33
crashanddieanyway, I'm out, 'later13:33
* MohammadAG suggests a beaten penguin with bruises and the like13:33
MohammadAGor a penguin with a javelin13:33
MohammadAGcya crashanddie13:33
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chem|stMohammadAG: because someone wanted it like that... wasn't me13:37
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chem|stthe discussion at brainstorm was moved to tmo and the brainstorm discussion plugin disabled13:37
chem|stcrashanddie: everything else is useless to put on to brainstorm system, what helps a philipine's as on top of brainstorm system?13:39
crashanddiedamn, this is bad
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infobotchem|st meant: crasshanddie: everything else is useless to put on to brainstorm system, what helps a philipine's as on top of brainstorm system?13:40
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Nervengiftis there an official or unofficial i386(Intel Atom)-build of maemo? i'd like to try it in virtualbox before buying N90013:45
MiXu-_Nervengift: Scratchbox for linux13:45
MiXu-_It gives you an idea13:46
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MiXu-_But it's not complete, obviously.13:46
psycho_oreosprobably also physically test drive one as well13:46
nidOwouldnt the easiest way to try maemo before buying an n900 be to just walk into a shop and use one?13:46
Nervengifti did so but i'd like to take a closer look13:47
MiXu-_HC geeks don't go to physical shops!13:47
psycho_oreosHC as in hardcore?13:48
MohammadAGis purging hildon-desktop a good idea?13:48
psycho_oreosprobably not13:48
MiXu-_psycho_oreos: yes13:48
MohammadAGmeh, need to get rid of the settings13:48
Kleggasyou mean people should "try out" the OS before buying a phone? I must have failed badly when deciding to go n900 then..... for me it was: Looks good, has wide screen with higher ress than other phones, has keyboard and most important is running Linux - I will take 2x, for me and wife...13:49
psycho_oreosMiXu-_, I'd say hard core geeks get N900 anyway, its far more unrestrictive than android powered phones.. and it runs linux as well13:49
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psycho_oreosthough critics say maemo 5 is an unfinished masterpiece, I tend to somewhat agree.. running maemo inside scratchbox isn't going to help you much understanding knowing that the actual toy itself is more fun in which you can do fancy things13:51
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_0x47me again! :) any idea how to get that package? I can't get it through apt-get with the extras-devel and nokia binaries enabled...13:54
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_0x47does that mean nobody's here or nobody has got an idea? :/13:59
Stskeepsprobably need to build it yourslf14:01
_0x47no way, why are there packets in the repository that rely on this package but the package itself is not available?14:02
_0x47that doesn't make much sense to me14:03
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aboyerhi, gstreamer on n900 question: is the ffmpegcolorspace element accelerated by the DSP on the n900? or is all the conversion code run on the cpu?14:04
BCMMKleggas: i went into a shop and asked politely if i could have a go on the n900 keyboard and touchscreen to see how usable they were14:06
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chem|st_0x47: is a devel app depending?14:09
loufoqueBCMM: and your verdict?14:09
loufoquenot very?14:09
BCMMloufoque: i liked them...14:10
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borcoany ideas when the results of the nokia n900 survey will be published and where?14:10
BCMMloufoque: i was trying to find out whether i could reliably hit the keys on the keyboard, and guess whether i'd eventually be able to use it without looking14:10
chem|stborco: survey?14:10
BCMMand i guessed correctly that i could14:10
chem|stborco: ehrm never anywhere I guess14:11
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borcochem|st: i have received an e-mail that i have won one of those. how can i check if the e-mail was legit and not a scam?14:12
KleggasBCMM: That is what one should go and try out regardless of the OS running. I can say I did NOT do that, and was happy I found a perfect fit for myself when I got home and tried it out for first time, after having bought it. However I have an HP iPaq from work, and even that tiny tiny keyboard I learned to use after a while so I knew that the bigger keys on N900 would so not be a problem :)14:12
chem|stborco: one of those what?14:13
_0x47chem|st: where to find that out? it was a few days ago tho when the last change happened14:13
borcochem|st: one of the n900 give-aways.14:13
Kleggasthe touchscreen however was something I could not have guessed how it would be, but Im very happy with it even if I didnt try it out14:13
chem|stborco: dont know14:13
_0x471st june14:14
chem|st_0x47: which program depends ond dblatex?14:14
SpeedEvilborco: I offer a service to scren incoming packages, to determine if it's a real n900 or not.14:15
_0x47it's a build dependency14:15
borcoSpeedEvil: what do you mean?14:15
SpeedEvilborco: Realistically - go for it - unless they require you to pay for shipping.14:16
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SpeedEvilborco: Oh14:16
SpeedEvilborco: Sorry - nvm14:16
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SpeedEvilborco: I misread.14:16
SpeedEvilborco: I always assumed the survey (that I took, and am taking part in) was completely internal to nokia, and would never be published.14:17
SpeedEvilIndeed, I would be astonished if it was.14:17
borcoSpeedEvil: no problem. but i received that e-mail and now i can only ask myself when will i receive my shiny n900 :-)14:17
SpeedEvil(it would be good, but I'd still be astonished)14:17
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chem|st_0x47: thats not the only dependencie that package misses out on...14:17
_0x47chem|st: i sorted out all others, what do you mean?14:18
SpeedEvilborco: Sorry - I'm missing this again - why were you supposed to recieve a n900? Is this directly related to the survey?14:18
_0x47and why is the older version in the repos then?14:18
_0x47i removed the python2.5 dependency in hope 2.4 would be fine14:18
borcoSpeedEvil: yes. the survey stated that people completing the survey could win one of the 50 n900 that were given away14:18
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chem|stthe cdbs package in testing has missing dependencies too14:18
SpeedEvilborco: Ah - right.14:19
SpeedEvilborco: have you had an email that you've won then?14:19
borcoSpeedEvil: to my surprise, i receive an e-mail stating that i'm one of the lucky winners ...14:19
SpeedEvilborco: Well - follow the instructions.14:19
borcoSpeedEvil: it's from
_0x47chem|st:  oh lol, the how would I create another one with missing dependencies? I just need it for building.14:19
borcoSpeedEvil: just wanted to be sure it is legit :)14:19
SpeedEvilborco: I have had a (smaller) reward from a nokia survey, so I have no inherent reason to doubt it.14:20
_0x47get any deb for armel from somewhere?14:20
chem|st_0x47: "in the repos" we are talking about testing and devel so there is no "why is there something not working in this repo?"14:20
borcoSpeedEvil: yep, the win is quite substantial. i normally never win ...14:20
chem|stanything I mean14:21
SpeedEvilborco: Congratulations then.14:21
chem|stborco: have fun with it ;)14:21
_0x47chem|st: sure, I just meant why there is a package that you theoretically couldn't create? I can't create it locally, so there is no way to get a .deb out of it14:21
frals_borco: check the email header, should be enough14:21
SpeedEvilborco: It does seem odd to give away n900s for a questionaire about the n900.14:21
_0x47chem|st: so I guess someone just got binaries from somewhere and compiled it with them14:22
SpeedEvilBut - they get to decide I guess.14:22
mirfright there in apps14:24
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Kleggasmirf: Congratulations on your newly bought (today?) n900? :)14:25
SpeedEvilmirf: Enable 'extras' repository in the application manager, install 'rootsh' - and then you just type 'root' in xterm to get root14:25
chem|stwell sources on maemo are what the autobuilder got for building...14:25
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chem|stI mean the realated sourcce to a already build binary14:26
mirfthanks dudes14:26
chem|stmirf: welcome to the other side14:27
mirfjust waiting for it to charge then I'm gonna have fun14:27
chem|stwant a cookie?14:27
Kleggasthere are cookies for n900 users?14:28
chem|stmirf: LOL, it is precharge so you don't need to do it14:28
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mirfwell it's charging now14:28
chem|stmirf: the manual says so14:28
mirffirst thing I gotta so is put vnc on it14:28
mirfsays it's partially precharges14:28
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Kleggasssh server is a good thing too, if you want to access it from the puter14:30
chem|stmirf: your battery time might be a bit short in the first few days, scared me of as a friend visiting me who bought it the same day did not have that14:30
Kleggasserver on n900, that is14:30
SpeedEvilFor those of us in the UK. - ofcom consultation about net neutrality. Please respond if you have concrete points to make.14:30
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mirfbasically treat it like a full blown linux box right?14:31
Kleggasbattery life increased very noticable for me when I removed that facebook widget ;)14:31
mirff__k yeah14:31
mirfoh yeah screw facebook14:31
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Kleggasif it only had a "refresh every XX hours" option :p14:31
chem|stmirf: exactly14:31
SpeedEvilmirf: I was really surprised around 3 months in, when my pocket linux box rang.14:32
chem|stKleggas: nope14:32
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MacerSpeedEvil: haha14:33
Ikarusyou can also blow through the battery in under three hours with mobile browsing, IRCing, etc on the train while continously switching between 2 and 3 G :)14:33
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Macerim just happy it has a good skype integration14:34
chem|stIkarus: Kleggas you might want to write up a guide "Battery drain for Dummies"14:34
SpeedEvilOr under 1.5 hours if playing loud audio, while recording video, and acting as a mobile hotspot14:34
Macermy g1 had that crappy call forwarding skype14:34
chem|stMacer: good == poor?14:34
KleggasI started using it as a "ringing" device from day one, but through skype. I wasn't surprised at all until the day skype was turned off, and it rang14:34
Macerchem|st: i havent had a problem using skype14:34
SpeedEvilchem|st: I'm about to write something along those lines.14:34
chem|stMacer: yeah I can text and call but thats it for now14:35
Macereven over 3G14:35
loufoqueMacer: what has good skype integration?14:35
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Macerer... maemo5?14:35
Macerbeats androids to say the least14:35
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Macerthe gtalk video is a little lacking14:35
Macerdoesnt seem to work that well but i havent tested it much14:36
chem|stSpeedEvil: btw anything new at the hotspot front? some free tool on it's way?14:36
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SpeedEvilchem|st: there is 'mobilehotspot'14:36
Kleggaseven the camera works flawless over 3g, or atleast where I live in the centre of 3g heaven close to several large markets14:36
SpeedEvilchem|st: I haven't used it14:36
loufoqueMacer: video is useless (and I say that working for the world leader in videoconferencing)14:36
SpeedEvilloufoque: Video is not useless.14:36
MacerKleggas: im in chicago14:36
chem|stSpeedEvil: didn't it need a new kernel?14:36
SpeedEvilloufoque: For some things - it's very useful.14:36
Macerthere is quite a bit of coverage here heh14:36
loufoquetext > voice > video14:37
pigeoni've been using mobilehotspot, works ok.14:37
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chem|stKleggas: no video for me yet14:37
SpeedEvilloufoque: For example - being able to show someone a bit of furniture that you're contemplating buying14:37
Macerloufoque: not really14:37
SpeedEvilchem|st: yes - so?14:37
loufoqueSpeedEvil: take a picture and send it14:37
Maceri am divorced and my son stays with his mother 3 months out the year14:37
loufoquevia email or mms14:37
Macerso video chatting is great14:38
loufoqueMacer: get a new son14:38
DrGrovGood damn day to you all!14:38
Macerloufoque: hahaha14:38
Macerlet me ebay one14:38
chem|stKleggas: with windows skype versions no video yet, with linux (latest beta) I get the video button but nothing happens14:38
DrGrovNow the damn drinking starts in order to celebrate vacation starting14:38
Macerim sure china has them cheap14:38
DrGrovI gotta find a GOOD game for the N900 in order to stand my mother over midsummer14:39
DrGrovAny suggestions?14:39
Kleggaschem|st: you mean, when you try to use videochat on your n900 with someone sitting on windows/linux skype?14:39
chem|stKleggas: what version is the other end skype?14:39
Kleggaschem|st: oh, well. I only tried videochat with my bro who also runs it on his n900.....14:40
WolfieRST38h: angry birds14:40
Kleggasor I think he was on his phone those times...14:40
chem|stKleggas: that works flawless, but where is my video-conference?14:41
Kleggas... someone ate it, perhaps....14:41
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pupnikloufoque: i think i understand text > voice > video but what context are do you mean?14:43
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mirffind a bench and play phone14:50
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Kleggasmirf: play "how"?14:52
mirfwe'll see14:53
mirfI've unlimited web so the world is my oister I guess14:53
Kleggasmirf: I saw an app with a description something like "Measures how hard you throw your n900"... that kind of playing? I wonder how you would be able to see the results after breaking it :p14:53
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mirfno way14:53
mirfI'm not playing that game14:53
crsHi, how can I add extra weather stations to omweather? It does not have my city.14:54
pigeondoes anyone know how much video ram is there on the n900?14:56
FauxFauxWikipedia does.14:56
FauxFauxOh, it doesn't.14:56
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pigeonor maybe better phased, texture memory for gles14:56
pexin95 has the fastest gpu14:56
Kleggasit does?14:57
pexiso i've read14:57
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pexibut how to really compare14:57
chadiif the meego platform isn't fully open source, how is the community going to port it to the N900?14:57
pexithere is already a meego but not gui14:57
Kleggaschadi: isn't there allready a n900 version of it? Its being tested on n90014:58
pigeonn900 isn't fully open source anyway is it...14:58
pexiits matter of time14:58
Corsacwell, not only time14:58
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chadiso Nokia will provide a N900 (ARM) build of Meego, not the community, right?14:58
pexiyou can even try it just installing meego to usb-stick14:58
pexiand running it from there14:58
chadioh and I mean the GUI part14:59
Kleggaschadi: Nokia will not support it by pushing it out to all n900 devices, but you will be able to install it manually, or that is the latest I read few weeks ago14:59
Kleggaschadi: but Im not 100% sure where I read it, so dont go entirely on my words15:00
chadiso in other words, it will not be officially supprted OTA, but it will be possible to flash it or dual boot it15:00
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Kleggaschadi: thats what I understood15:00
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chadiyea, thank you for the info...15:01
Stskeepschadi: there is a team that has a bunch of subcontractors and nokia employees working on the hardware adaptation for n900. nokia also provides (unsupported) closed source repository which contains 3d drivers and other closed bits for n900 owners.15:01
StskeepsMeeGo Core + Handset UX + n900 hardware adaptation (open and closed) = a n900 handset image15:01
chadioh, cool15:01
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tybolltwhite spots - cause for warranty repair? :-o15:10
infobottybollt meant: bright spots - cause for warranty repair? :-o15:10
chem|stchadi: no offical upgrade that means so no OTA upgrade and no support15:12
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chem|stbut thats fine with me, as long as all drivers are available15:13
chadisure, ... and it's as if nokia provides weekly updates OTA :P15:13
chem|stright :)15:14
chadiby the way, were you able to do injection?15:14
chem|sthas anyone thought of meego entertainment and server yet?15:14
obsidiethchadi i did a litle googling, im not sure you vcan15:15
chem|stsry maemo I mean15:15
chadithe thread about WEP on did not reach any solution concerning injection..15:15
obsidieththere sa video on youtube of someone using aircrack. maybe not injeting.15:16
chadiyeah, the WPA2 crack15:16
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chadiyesterday, i captured about 65k IVs through an active client on the network, and the battery went from about 70% to 10% in about 30 minutes :P15:19
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timeless_mbpmirf: oyster fwiw :)15:23
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lcukhas anyone seen my postit notes15:24
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E0xwhat is the time that warranty cover ?15:25
chem|stlcuk: yeah someone was sticking them onto the postman's back15:25
E0xi check the warranty in the nokia site but i dont understand what say me15:25
chem|stE0x: warranty cover is related to the country you are in15:25
lcukthanks chem|st !15:25
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chem|stlcuk: you are welcome15:25
E0xchem|st: well i not buy my self the phone , was buyed in USA15:26
E0xand give to me15:26
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_0x47ok price-question: What would you do if all dependencies are given and program doesn't build in the SDK, but builds on my ubuntu machine?15:28
chem|stthen USA warranty applies and thats 1 year afaik15:28
E0xchem|st: when i check in the page say this:......appears to be within the initial warranty period. This warranty verification covers the following 10 days.15:28
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E0xf you send your device in for repair after 10 days, please include a copy of the proof of purchase with your device to confirm that your unit is within the warranty period.15:28
MohammadAGgrr, can't find any damn list with sdl keys15:28
E0xif i send the device after 10 day of buy it i need the proof the buy ?15:29
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crashanddieE0x: yes, you may also need some english lessons15:29
MohammadAGoh, found one15:29
E0xcrashanddie: yes english is not my native language15:29
crashanddiewhy is that always the first excuse people use?15:30
E0xbecause is the true maybe ?15:30
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chem|stE0x: lol you tried the warranty check?15:30
E0xi never go to a school to learn english15:30
E0xchem|st: yes15:30
Kleggascrashanddie: not all countries have english classes in school :)15:31
chem|stE0x: thats just verifying that it is covered "at least" the next then days15:31
chem|stif you check in ten days it will tell the same I think15:31
crashanddieKleggas: I didn't learn my English at school either ;)15:32
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chem|stKleggas: me neither15:32
Kleggascrashanddie: I did, and much more outside :p15:32
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E0xKleggas: we have here but is a s**t and you don't learn anything , you need go to a specialized school for really learn15:32
E0xchem|st: hehehe15:33
chem|styou learn english by talking and thats the problem in most schools, they do not talk enough15:33
E0xi can't talk english15:34
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chem|stor languages in general15:34
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n900-1hey guys15:34
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E0xhere is easy learn english if you want because we have a lot of influence of USA15:35
chem|stE0x: I was able to write 2k words essays but wasn't able to have a descent conversation15:35
Kleggaschem|st: true. I have several relatives at the balcan area, they all had english for several years in school and none of them knows one single word english.... What draws my attention more is those who are grown up in countries like Sweden (where Im from) where you have really good teaching in school, everywhere you are exposed to english, and we have amongst highest amount of computers per family, meaning internet = 100% english, and sti15:36
Kleggashear people here that really do not know the language....15:36
chem|stE0x: watching english movies/tv and such is good as you get used to the sound15:36
Kleggaschem|st: now THAT is something to be afraid of :D15:36
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MohammadAGquestion, what's the best key to map 'quit' to if there's no escape button15:37
chem|steven if you are not able to speak yet by listening to it you learn to understand it properly15:37
Kleggaschem|st: I was just trying to point out that some are not exposed to english in a way that teaches them, while others are and yet don't learn.... nvm :p15:38
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chem|stah that you mean, sure but that's the same over here, they are loosing it as english words get mixed up with local language in the wrong way15:39
chem|stso they are exposed but with the wrong relation15:40
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achipaMohammadAG: proxymity sensor15:40
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chem|stkids listen to music about deep penetration and like the song, when you tell them it is about rippin of your ass and abuse them, they are shocked...15:41
MohammadAGachipa, lol, I doubt SDL supports that :D15:42
chem|stlike a 14 year old girl likes ayo technology in the milow remake, she does not know what this song is about and I like to keep it that way for now (poor soul)15:43
MohammadAGI tried SDLK_EQUALS, but apparently that's either not =, or the = on the N900 is not a regular SDLK_EQUALS15:43
achipachem|st: oh, you mean
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chem|stachipa: yeap15:47
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obsidiethwhats mynokia?16:12
povbotBug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user16:13
MohammadAGUmm, X-Fade ping?16:13
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MohammadAG failed before it even started16:14
SpeedEvilmy nokia is a service you are auto-subscribed to in many countries.16:14
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MohammadAGIn some countries, unsbuscribing fails to do anything except take some off your credit16:14
kWDoes anybody know there the camera application tries to store images when the $MYDOCSDIR directory changed? The camera application seems to report "Memory not accessible. Unable to save content." without cause.16:15
SpeedEvilWhat do you mena by $MYDOCS16:15
SpeedEvilIt saves on the MMC if mydocs is mounted mass storage16:16
jacekowskii think that was problem with permissions16:17
MohammadAG<SpeedEvil> What do you mena by $MYDOCS16:17
MohammadAG$MYDOCSDIR, an env variable16:17
MohammadAGecho $MYDOCSDIR on the N90016:17
Venemocould anyone help me with this build log, please?16:18
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR16:18
ptlugly prompt :P16:18
ptl[user@n900 user]% echo $MYDOCSDIR16:18
MohammadAGVenemo, add libqt4-dev to build-depends in debian/control16:18
Venemowhat else?16:19
MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# hostname ptl-sucks16:19
MohammadAGptl-sucks:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR16:19
MohammadAGVenemo, redo the dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S command and upload it16:19
VenemoMohammadAG: is there a way to determine what other stuff should I add to it?16:19
ptlexport PS1='\e[93m[\e[96m\u\e[92m@\e[96mn900 \e[92m\W\033[93m\]\033[95m%\e[0m '16:19
MohammadAGVenemo, get a clean scratchbox install and try to build it :)16:20
VenemoMohammadAG: well, that is out of my reach ATM16:20
VenemoI use MADDE16:20
VenemoMohammadAG: there is no build-depends section in the control file, just a plain depends section whose content is this:16:21
VenemoDepends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}16:21
MohammadAGcheck the source line16:21
MohammadAGshould be a paragraph above it16:21
Venemothe file begins with16:21
VenemoSource: sticky-notes16:21
VenemoSource: sticky-notes16:22
VenemoSection: user/Desktop16:22
VenemoPriority: extra16:22
VenemoMaintainer: Timur Kristóf (Venemo) <>16:22
VenemoBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5)16:22
VenemoStandards-Version: 3.7.316:22
VenemoHomepage: - (not yet)16:22
VenemoPackage: sticky-notes16:22
VenemoArchitecture: armel16:22
VenemoDepends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}16:22
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VenemoXB-Maemo-Display-Name: Sticky Notes16:22
ham5probly blows up16:22
Venemothen Description and XB-Maemo-Icon-2616:22
infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : , , , , , , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.16:22
TigerTaelUhh, come someone tell me why 'gTranslate' is always telling me to 'Please input valid text!'?16:22
TigerTaelIs there some kind of fix?16:22
andre__TigerTael, well, would help to describe what you did before :-P16:23
MohammadAGVeggen, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) <--16:23
MohammadAGVenemo ^, sorry Veggen16:23
TigerTaelandre__, used the application?16:23
VenemoMohammadAG: errr... i accidentally left case-sensitivity on when I searched16:23
andre__TigerTael: like starting it and not opening any file and getting that error message straight after start?16:23
TigerTaelandre__, no, you input the text on either the right or left field and press translate...16:24
Stskeepser, wrong button16:24
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VenemoMohammadAG: is this OK?16:24
andre__TigerTael: without providing *clear* steps: No, can't help16:24
lcukStskeeps, you have a dedicate w00t button!16:25
VenemoBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) libqt4-dev (>=4.6) mce-dev hildon-notify-dev16:25
MohammadAGTigerTael, broken here too, Google changed there api I guess16:25
VenemoMohammadAG: should I add versions to mce-dev and hildon-notify-dev, too?16:25
TigerTaelandre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate.16:25
MohammadAGVenemo, don't see why you need to version libqt4-dev since it's 4.6.2 by default16:25
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MohammadAGVenemo, no, take out the version for libqt4-dev :)16:25
VenemoMohammadAG: okay16:25
VenemoMohammadAG: the others?16:25
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MohammadAGkeep them as they are16:26
MohammadAGadd commas, didn't notice that16:26
MohammadAGBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, mce-dev, hildon-notify-dev16:26
N900rulzURGENT REQUEST ***** where (or how) can I on my N900 follow live TEXT play by play of the world cup games? The FIFA one doesn't work. I dont want video, i want text play by play. Sorry I'm driving right now cant research on google. HELP !16:26
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TermanaCan't do googling?16:27
jacekowskiN900rulz: don't text while driving16:27
TermanaYet your DRIVING AND IRCING16:27
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ManoftheSeaseems dangerous.  Text play-by-play?  Like, a twitter feed?16:27
lcukN900rulz, IRC whilst driving?16:27
ManoftheSeathere should be an IRC channel for that.16:27
StskeepsN900rulz: why are you always driving and ircing?16:28
andre__N900rulz: I've heard that IRC is text too, just like Google. But let me quickly google if that's really true...16:28
lcukalso, reading text stream WHILST DRIVING?16:28
lcukN900rulz, ##world-cup16:28
VenemoMohammadAG: okay, thanks16:28
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VenemoMohammadAG: if the app uses gconf, then gconf-dev and so on?16:28
lcukN900rulz, then join ##world-cup16:28
MohammadAGcaps is more dangerous while driving16:28
lcukit has running text of everything16:28
andre__N900rulz: so Google is more complicated? I'm impressed about your typing skills then. ;-)16:28
TigerTaelandre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate.16:28
N900rulzlcuk: what network they on?16:28
tybolltN900rulz: on this server16:29
lcukthis one16:29
tybolltN900rulz: join me there we're reporting for ya right now16:29
MohammadAGVenemo, no, the -dev packages contain headers, .h files, if the app #include(s) them then you need them in build-depends16:29
ptlI also type on IRC while driving sometimes16:29
andre__I sometimes read the newspaper while driving a car. Guess I'm oldschool.16:29
lcuki can barely change radio station let along have a conversation16:29
MohammadAGandre__, I guess the API was changed, it was working for me before16:29
lcukdont you also need 2 hands to type on n90016:30
lcukor has he got proto vkb?16:30
MohammadAGno, I can type with one hand16:30
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lcukN900rulz, you mean you are a lazy liar?16:30
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Stskeepsstop using caps16:31
MohammadAG+1 on that16:31
lcukstop using irc16:31
TermanaI think what he is really trying to say is that he is a big moron16:31
ptldoesn't caps lock work when driving?16:31
jacekowskiN900rulz: i hope when you die you don't hurt anybody16:31
lcukGAN900, technical input please - can you happily use n900 with one hand and type that fast?16:31
jacekowskiN900rulz: and you will die in lot of pain16:31
jacekowskilcuk: he's probably holding it with both hands16:31
MohammadAGlcuk, I get 30WPM with one hand16:31
N900rulzwhy are u guys so mean???? there is nobody here on the road....its quiet worries16:32
Termanano worries. Oops you hit that old lady16:32
lcukN900rulz, common sense16:32
ptlit's fun to be mean.... and I don't know the answer16:32
Termanathere goes the cat16:32
andre__N900rulz: Maybe it's just that Google is really not harder than IRC?16:32
ptlI am brazilian and I hate soccer16:32
lcuki would like to know where you are so i can stay the hell out of your town16:32
N900rulzim holding the n900 and wheel at the same time aand i can type without looking on the keayboard16:32
ptlcan you read without looking at the screen?16:33
jacekowskiN900rulz: what about looking at the road?16:33
w00t_er, wrong button16:33
TermanaMust be an iPhone user16:33
ptlmaybe you use espeak for listening to IRC also :)16:33
ptlpelota app does that?16:33
N900rulzi quickly glance at the screen but most of the time i loook on the road16:33
timeless_mbpHey, has anyone asked for notmynokia to be pushed to testing?16:33
TermanaI haz haxored N900rulz's n900, I can see true hes camra. Big apple logo on back16:34
N900rulzso you guys tell me honestly yous never drive and sms? honestly please.16:34
jacekowskiN900rulz: no16:34
MohammadAGI don't drive16:34
ptlI said I did, N900rulz16:34
TermanaMohammadAG, lies16:34
MohammadAGTermana, 16, can't have a license16:34
N900rulzlier lier pants on firee - jacekowski16:34
jacekowskiTermana: he doesn't have driving license16:35
TermanaMohammadAG, you drive - me up the wall16:35
jacekowskiN900rulz: nope16:35
MohammadAGTermana, rofl16:35
jacekowskiN900rulz: i have phone in ashtray above radio16:35
ptland I don't know the answer to your question because I don't like soccer... there's an app called pelota though and there are some recipes for queen beacon widget16:35
jacekowskiN900rulz: so i can listen to music from fmtx16:35
N900rulzits innocent. stop making a big deal out of it16:35
Termanaits innocent16:35
auenfwtf, i cant change the ip address for my email account without deleting it and putting it in again?16:35
Termanahonestly officer16:35
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jacekowskiN900rulz: and disable gsm because it makes annoying noises in my radio16:35
flailingmonkeyI met a guy a couple weeka16:35
* wazd 's trying to find parts of his brain after meego song meditation16:35
MiXu-_I've written stuff a few times while driving. Not innocent. :)16:36
Stskeepswazd: audio could have been better16:36
MiXu-_Almost hit a curb once16:36
achipasoccer... annoying noises... hmmm....
ptlstop trolling him, this makes it even more probable that he crashes his car16:36
flailingmonkeyweeks back, and he died later that night because he was texting while driving on highway, plowed right into median16:36
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wazdStskeeps: let's wait for LP :D16:36
Termanaptl, teach him a lesson16:36
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ptlI can't, I also don't know the lesson16:37
ptlI also drive and type16:37
N900rulzthanks for your help dudes....that widget is shit by the way16:37
GAN900Ha, what great advertising16:37
Termanaptl, I meant, crashing his car will teach him a lesson16:37
Termanaptl, also, don't.16:37
ptlit won't, because he'll die16:37
GAN900One of the waiters from a local restaurant rushed the field in South Africa16:37
MohammadAGme too, except I'm on my PS316:37
ptldead people have learnt nothing16:37
GAN900So the restaurant is giving free margaritas to anybody who says "Viva Joe"16:38
ptldon't say that. I love margaritas and I'm doing the atkins diet.16:38
ptl:( can't drink16:38
jacekowskiptl: one more moron eliminated from gene pool16:38
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timeless_mbpN900rulz: i don't16:38
Termanaptl, if he dies, he's teaching everyone else a lesson at least16:38
* timeless_mbp doesn't drive at all16:38
GAN900lol, Atkins.16:38
Termanatimeless_mbp, private jet I assume? :P16:39
ptlI'm dumb enough that if he dies he won't teach me a lesson16:39
lcukTermana, i dont give a damn about him, its anyone else he might inconvenience16:39
N900rulzwhy yous all so mean ??????16:39
GAN900achipa, elgato released a patch for EyeTV that includes a Vuvuzela filter.16:39
lcukie: cleaner having to sweep up his eyeballs16:39
Termanalcuk, heh, I think if he runs over someone its going to be a little more than an inconvenience16:39
jacekowskiptl: then you will die16:40
timeless_mbpTermana: nah, i walk :)16:40
Termana"Ouch, you ran over me! What an inconvenience"16:40
ptlsome day I will16:40
jacekowskiptl: and that's how evolution works16:40
ptlevery one of us will16:40
jacekowskiptl: and natural selection16:40
lcukTermana, i was avoiding that incase hes alone on a country road16:40
ptljacekowski: evolution is bullshit, I am adept of intelligent design16:40
achipaGAN900: but... does it run on Linux ? :)16:40
ptl(just kidding, I just finished my master degree in molecular philogeny)16:41
jacekowskiptl: intelligent design is a bullshit16:41
N900rulzone more question.....if i wanted to send yous all a pic here on irce whats the comand in xchat?16:41
GAN900achipa, no. :P16:41
lcukandre__, another community patch on its way through :)16:41
ptlN900rulz: /dcc send nickname /path/to/picture16:41
TermanaN900rulz, difficult to send it to the whole room16:41
lcukthis one is for bug 725616:41
povbotBug Maemo should use en_GB as default fallback in locales16:41
MohammadAG/dcc send #maemo ?16:41
jacekowskiimageshac + paste a link16:41
TermanaN900rulz, it would be better to upload it to imageshack or something and give us the link16:41
MohammadAGjust a guess btw16:42
andre__lcuk, nice16:42
GAN900Termana, he's got all the time in the world while driving.16:42
TermanaMohammadAG, I don't think that works16:42
achipasoooo... what's the difference between "Forum Nokia Projects" and garage (either Maemo or whatever MeeGo garage will actually be) ?16:44
timeless_mbpform nokia is run by your friends at forum nokia16:44
achipa(apart from dput style stuff and Extras, obviously)16:44
flailingmonkeytimeless_mbp: you work on mozilla stuff right?16:45
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N900rulzdude didnt see me..... lol16:45
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achipatimeless_mbp: I know that, was thinking in community terms, as there was this how cool MeeGo garage will be talk, only to turn into silence...16:45
TermanaYour meant to let him chase you and give you a big fine16:45
N900rulzfunny thing is cops themselves text and drive....see them all tthe time bastards16:46
timeless_mbpachipa: i've never found to be wonderful16:46
GAN900achipa, no worries, if you want to use Forum Nokia, you gotta have liability insurance. :P16:46
timeless_mbpbut i've used it16:46
timeless_mbpi have no interest in FN16:47
lcukN900rulz, can i ask, since you are driving - why are you using a rogers cable ip?16:47
timeless_mbpbeyond the fact that they shipped an n810 to a friend for me16:47
mirfis there a more straight forward was to use network over usb than cygwin?16:47
N900rulzI am not... i am on my n900 through edge16:47
lcukthats not what your ip says16:47
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achipatimeless_mbp: well, it's not exactly if we were encouraged to develop further
N900rulzlcuk: check your shit and stop implying i'm liying16:47
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N900rulzlcuk: shall is send you a screenshot?16:48
ManoftheSealcuk, there are other alternatives.16:48
achipas/if/as if/16:48
infobotachipa meant: timeless_mbp: well, it's not exactly as if we were encouraged to develop further
ManoftheSeaI mean, I'm not actually at my IRC IP right now either.16:48
ManoftheSeaI'm SSH+screen'd into my home.16:48
lcukN900rulz, actually no i'd rather not, you arent concentrating enough as it is16:48
flailingmonkeywe're in a vaccuum, and so nothing will happen without that being filled by authoritative information, or someone takes charge in their own way16:49
* lcuk goes ack to other places16:49
N900rulzwhy woud i lie.... i am not at home16:49
timeless_mbpManoftheSea: please don't encourage him16:49
timeless_mbpso it's ok to lie from home?16:49
Termana100 internets for you timeless_mbp16:50
achipabut it's a sad sort of fun to see try to be primarily a home to Qt developers, considering FN, qtcentre et al16:50
N900rulzlcuk where are you???16:50
MohammadAGmars, same solar system16:50
timeless_mbpwouldn't FN be a home for Java devs? :)16:51
achipamars means 'get outta here' in some languages16:51
lcukN900rulz, thankfully on another continent to you16:51
lcukthats scary16:51
Termanaachipa, mars16:51
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N900rulzi am here on studies....goin back tou europe soon !!!!16:52
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TermanaN900rulz, oh I see, so your driving to Europe from the US? I hadn't realised they invented cars to do that.16:53
achipaTermana: you/M-AG mean Mars, but let's not be grammar nazis16:53
N900rulzno....Im drivin from to school to where i july i fly back to europe16:53
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TermanaN900rulz, so your home is in europe?16:54
N900rulzthe n900 is not mine i borrowed it... i gonna buy one when im in europe16:54
achipatimeless_mbp: Java? Well, they did kinda join the Qt push lately (or so I hear/see).16:55
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N900rulzlcuk: im still waiting for the apology buddy ;-)16:56
MohammadAGN900rulz, you'll get it when PR1.5 arrives :)16:56
lcukN900rulz, pull over to the side of the road whilst talking and i will apologise16:56
jacekowskiit seems that recently there is more suicidal people on this channel16:57
N900rulzlcuk: just kidding mate....16:57
jacekowskithere was that canadian bloke couple days ago16:57
lcukno jacekowski hes not the first16:57
N900rulz(about aologizing)16:57
TermanaN900rulz, do you know your number plate?16:57
MohammadAG any ideas? anyone?16:58
TermanaMohammadAG, :P I see what you did there16:58
N900rulzguys let me ask you a question: i am not a linux geek like yous i annoying yous by coming here?16:58
jacekowskiMohammadAG: builder is broken probably16:58
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MohammadAGjacekowski, some packages were successful between my 2 failed ones17:00
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lcukMohammadAG, you spelt urgency wrong in the changelog17:00
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jacekowskiMohammadAG: yeah, lrn2spl17:00
* MohammadAG bangs head on desk17:00
jacekowskiMohammadAG: couple more times17:01
* MohammadAG shoots jacekowski 17:01
jacekowskiyou missed17:02
* MohammadAG fires a nuke at jacekowski 17:02
achipait's because of all the headbanging. Shoot first, THEN bang head17:02
lcukwheres han solo when you need him17:03
RST38hhelo lcuk17:03
lcuk250 lcuk Hello RST38h17:04
pigeonanyone uses shortcutd with the proximity sensor?17:04
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flailingmonkeyfrozen bubble would be awesome :)17:06
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mirfwhy on earth is the charging port on TOP of the phone?17:06
nidOwell, another way to look at it is that it's on the left end of the tablet17:07
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MohammadAGthe N86 has the USB port on top too17:08
MohammadAGbut yeah, the N900 has it on the left side17:08
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flailingmonkeywell, it can't be on at the bottom of the keyboard, because then you couldn't charge while using its kickstand17:11
pigeonhmm, that's the first time i've seen this: "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s"17:11
achipaflailingmonkey: what kickstand ?17:11
nidOtheres only one kickstand on an n90017:12
flailingmonkeyperhaps switching the lock switch and headphones would have been possible17:12
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flailingmonkeys/headphones/headphones with the usb port/17:12
infobotflailingmonkey meant: perhaps switching the lock switch and headphones with the usb port would have been possible17:12
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MohammadAGsomeone should really fix the i386 version of maemo-optify17:14
flailingmonkeymy guess is that the headphone port only fit where it is right now, and the usb next to the headphone port might have had too much noise17:14
achipawhat flailingmonkey says, power electronics and sound are not friends17:15
achipa(not impossible, but a lot more difficult to do right)17:15
achipastill, this black plasting thingy is no replacement for the N810 kickstand, USB charging be damned17:16
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lcukthis is awesome; vuvuzela in DOOM !!
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jacekowskilcuk: niggerhorn*17:18
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lcukget lost jacekowski, theres no need for racism17:19
mirfwhat is it with this chan ?17:19
MohammadAGmost of us don't do drugs17:20
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nidOsome of us do17:20
lcukmirf active moderators sometimes would be good, sometimes feel like i would kick some folks17:21
flailingmonkeyjacekowski just really likes that term, makes him feel edgy and hip17:21
lcukjacekowski would be gone right now for instance17:21
* MohammadAG ops lcuk 17:22
_0x47Could someone explain me why this happens? It found boostlib but could not link?17:22
flailingmonkeywho is sop on #maemo17:22
mirfand that hkuy guy yesterday,,,17:22
* MohammadAG wishes he could do that - oh well17:22
mirfgaaahhh I can't wait to get home17:22
mirfI wanna play n90017:23
n900-1can anyone give me a clue to how to convert qt creator project into MADDE compileable thing?17:23
MohammadAGdo something wacky at work, get fired, ???, profit... errr17:23
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amigadave_0x47: check config.log which should give you a more verbose error message17:25
_0x47k thanks17:25
_0x47amigadave: that's kinda cryptic, let me pastebin it17:26
achipan900-1: add a Maemo target ? Provided your QtCreator is from the Nokia Qt SDK17:27
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amigadave_0x47: and that is the whole file? it should normally be quite long, 100 lines say17:28
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_0x47amigadave: oh sry, I just took the last lines, let me paste the whole thing.17:28
luke-jranyone here good with non-electronic coding?17:30
_0x47amigadave: here we go:
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n900-1umm, achipa thanks for the reply. I have madde setup, and i can build test hello application and deploy to n900 through command line and run stuff and test. Now I want to take some small application from the qt creator installed on my pc, lets say the Address Book part 1 example which only has 2 text boxes, compile it through madde and deploy to n900 and run.17:31
jacekowskilcuk: you mean like a punch card coding or something?17:31
luke-jrjacekowski: no, even simpler XD17:31
jacekowskiluke-jr: programming a washing machine?17:31
luke-jrjacekowski: I want an object to fall down the side of my wall over a period of 12 hours17:31
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luke-jrso far my only idea is a floating ball, and a slow leak17:32
jacekowskiluke-jr: that will make it slow down17:32
jacekowskias less water means less pressure17:32
jacekowskiso if you calibrate it that 1l would be 1h17:32
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jacekowskithen 10l would be something around 3h17:33
luke-jrneed a constant rate17:33
Stskeepsluke-jr: added tsc2005 to my set of patches17:33
luke-jror at least near-constant17:33
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jacekowskiluke-jr: you would need something like an old clock17:34
jacekowskiluke-jr: and tweak it little bit17:34
amigadave_0x47: i guess from line 495 and 548 that you are building against the same libstdc++ as boost was built against?17:34
_0x47amigadave: yes17:35
achipan900-1: but is that qt creator a standalone one or part of the Nokia Qt SDK (it does matter)17:35
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n900-1stand alone one17:36
_0x47amigadave: i installed some debian packages to satisfy dependencies. see the list here:
achipan900-1: if you ask me you should not bother with using MADDE manually... the QtCreator from the aforementioned SDK will deal with Madde and deployment...17:37
_0x47after that no complains were left17:37
n900-1yea ... i'll be downloding the 1.0 sdk tonight :) .. but just too excited to run the sample17:37
n900-1achipa: its giving the error >> cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading ..17:38
n900-1and i have googled so i'm at a page where this guys is saying that the changlog file should be created in the staging area17:38
n900-1the webpage says "The debian directory is found in the package staging area used by MADDE. The staging area is where the package is prepared and assembled. The changelog file should be created in the debian directory at that place."17:38
n900-1where is that area can you specify ?17:39
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n900-1i'm using windows 7 32 bits17:39
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N900rulzfreak my dad gonna kill me17:40
jacekowskiN900rulz: have you crashed his car?17:40
N900rulzi put $1000 on the italy game and they are losing !!!!17:41
Stskeepsheh, serves you right17:41
jacekowskithat's even worse17:41
Stskeepsand who'd bet on italy? ;p17:41
N900rulznow i have to ask him for more $$$$ he gonna freak17:41
jacekowskii never spend money on gambling like that17:41
N900rulzfreak !!!!!!!!17:42
jacekowskii would just get rid of you17:42
jacekowskiand tell you to never come back17:42
N900rulzsorry guys i know its not linux but my ass is on the line.....f**k !!!!17:42
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yuizy$1000 :D17:43
jacekowskiwell, i would never gave you $1000 in a first place17:43
StskeepsN900evil: sell him your car and n90017:43
_0x47amigadave: are you still alive?17:43
N900rulznow i gotta pay rent and food.....17:43
jacekowskiN900rulz: just die17:43
jacekowskiN900rulz: it's your fault, live with consequences17:43
N900rulzit was money for rent and food andd ticket back ghome.....17:44
amigadave_0x47: just trying to find that symbol, have not come across it so far...17:44
_0x47amigadave: oh well, take your time, just was worried :P Thanks!17:44
N900rulzthe game is not over yet......go italy !17:44
_0x47fking italy will lose17:44
N900rulzmy dad will disown me... he gonna have a hart attck17:45
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_0x47wtf it's your fault, live with it and bet less next time17:45
_0x47or just don't bet17:45
N900rulzbut odds were good i needed $$$$17:46
N900rulzfreak i am worried old man will lose it17:46
_0x47lol stfu now, he's prolly not gonna die17:47
flailingmonkeyhe's just going to facepalm17:47
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flailingmonkeyand then facepalm your face17:47
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N900rulzyou dont get old man is very strict...pickle up his ass he has17:48
jacekowskii would do DNA test after that17:48
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jacekowskijust to make sure it's my son17:48
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N900rulzplus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours17:49
_0x47i guess italy's gonna win anyways, so maybe just wait and see?17:49
jacekowskiN900rulz: maybe that's because you're stupid17:50
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N900rulzjacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life17:51
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StskeepsN900rulz: you sound awfully lot like a spoiled brat indeed17:51
amigadave_0x47: it appears that you are using the scratchbox gcc (4.2.1) and not the gcc from the packages that you downloaded17:51
amigadavewhich would probably explain the missing symbol17:51
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mirfmost fun thing so far... telnet star wars17:53
jacekowskiN900rulz: but you just said that you can't afford a rent17:53
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N900rulzjacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous17:55
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Kegetysif you are rich then pay it from your own pocket and dont tell him17:58
MohammadAGe-yes, ping, again?17:58
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luke-jrN900rulz: money and stupid are not exclusive17:59
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_0x47amigadave: are you sure, let me verify17:59
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amigadave_0x47: checking config.log, there is only mention of gcc 4.2.118:00
amigadaveit seems that package accepts boost 1.36 anyway, so the boost version in extras-devel might be sufficient (1.38)18:00
amigadavebut i am not sure18:00
_0x47amigadave: hm, it said "Preparing to replace gcc-4.4-base 4.4.4-5 (using gcc-4.4-base_4.4.4-5_armel.deb) ..." that seems to be already 4.4.18:01
_0x47build fails with 1.38 tho, hence the try with 1.4218:01
e-yesMohammadAG, icmp response:)18:02
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_0x47trying again atm as it seemed to install the gcc instead of saying it's already there18:02
_0x47amigadave: no, same error18:02
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MohammadAGe-yes, I got your patches from gitorious yesterday, they break the ts in maemo :)18:02
Stskeeps.. wtf are you doing18:03
_0x47amigadave: how can I ensure that it uses gcc 4.4 instead of 4.2?18:03
amigadave_0x47: you will probably not be able to replace the toolchain in scratchbox without major surgery18:03
e-yesMohammadAG, aha, you have to left old modules in Maemo, especially ts.18:03
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_0x470x47: i feel like i have to if I ever want to build that POS...18:03
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jacekowskiamigadave: it's quite easy18:04
jacekowskiamigadave: toolchain is in one devkit18:04
amigadave_0x47: what was the build error with boost 1.38?18:04
jacekowskiamigadave: so you just need to build one18:04
MohammadAGe-yes, tsc2005? so basically I need to have the ts modules for maemo when loading maemo and the android one when loading android?18:04
jacekowskiamigadave: and add another devkit18:04
e-yests ccontains patches for android. unfortunately, android expects slightly different ts coord. range18:04
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MohammadAGe-yes, oh and I'm not using your image, I built my own one :)18:04
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MohammadAGbanning the nick itself is sometimes helpful18:05
_0x47amigadave: additionally when I try to "fakeroot apt-get remove gcc-4.2" it wants to remove my 1.42 boost libs18:06
Stskeepsidiot changes nicks often18:06
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e-yesMohammadAG, yes, all compiled modules I copy to android rootfs, and leave maemo's modules intact18:06
MohammadAGe-yes, oh, I see, I'll reflash it again I guess :)18:07
MohammadAGe-yes, thanks18:07
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MohammadAGe-yes, oh and another thing, the overclock.diff patch doesn't actually overclock the device, it's the same as the kernel-power one right?18:09
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amigadave_0x47: seems as though that build error has nothing to do with the boost version18:13
_0x47amigadave: so what? i can't find out what the problem is18:14
_0x47i'm about to replace the whole build system in the SDK18:14
amigadave_0x47: looks like it is complaining about SDL_mixer headers, the Max_Chunk typedef is forward-declared as a struct in hch/CMusicHandler.h of vcmi18:15
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_0x47yeah i already tried to check this one out. the weird thing is that it compiles on my ubuntu machine without problems18:15
amigadavemaybe your SDL_mixer version is different?18:16
_0x47err, different from what?18:16
amigadavethe version in Scratchbox18:16
_0x47hm, is it possible to get a second armel target in scratchbox? i bet I already messed mine up, but want to keep it for reference...18:17
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JaffaX-Fade: ping18:18
Jaffadneary: ping18:18
Jaffaandre__: ping18:18
amigadaveyeah, use sb-menu to guide you through it, or has some hints18:18
dnearyHi Jaffa18:18
_0x47amigadave: k thanks, let me do that and check the version. how much longer will you be around?18:19
amigadave_0x47: heading home soon, but will be around tomorrow18:20
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dnearyDid everyone see this:
infobotsomebody said flasher was
infobotMohammadAG: :)18:21
_0x47amigadave: k then I'll come back to you tomorrow, heading home too, but will probably online there too18:21
amigadave_0x47: good luck :)18:21
_0x47thanks a bunch18:22
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Dassu this is just horriiible to waatch >:D18:22
mirfwhat do you say when someone asks you if your n900 is better than their iphone?18:22
mirfthey are incomparible!18:22
mirfso vastly different18:22
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DassuI'm gonna be like "yeaaaah...." I get away fast as possible stupidity doesn't spread to me18:23
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GAN900mirf, sadly the iPhone 4 really starts to pull away.18:28
Kegetysfor me it wont until it gets a keyboard at least18:28
GAN900The screen is jaw dropping18:29
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MohammadAGGAN900, you haven't seen the problems have you :)18:30
MohammadAGGAN900,, they're on the first page18:30
Stskeepsi vote they bring in abill_uk18:31
mirfiphone will always be miles behind18:32
mirfbut as I say18:32
mirfyou can't compare them18:32
flailingmonkeyOS != hardware18:34
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Lullenhow do I select an item in a qlistview by knowing its index? And how do I disable manual editing?18:35
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GAN900MohammadAG, meh, no problem with ours.18:37
MohammadAGGAN900, "ours"?18:38
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vldcnstthat's a poster worth buying18:41
Jaffamirf: If the iPhone 4 is as fast and smooth as an iPad, it's miles ahead of the N900 in terms of user experience.18:42
GAN900MohammadAG, my mother's. . . .18:42
jaskano kbd -> useless18:42
MohammadAGGAN900, oh ok18:42
GAN900Jaffa, faster in some ways. 512MB18:42
JaffaGAN900: Eek18:43
* Jaffa wonders if Harmattan device's "OMAP3430" will be up to the task; hopefully a fully optimised Qt stack will help.18:43
GAN900Jaffa, yeah, it pretty much blows everything out of the water.18:43
MohammadAGI like the iPhone, hate the non-existent community18:43
MohammadAGbrb, going out18:43
CorsacI have to admit I find it looking nice, the square look etc.18:43
GAN900Fast A8, faster graphics than all of the other SoCs, huge RAM, huge resolution18:44
JaffaMohammadAG: 'salright, we're well on our way to that with MeeGo :-(18:44
GAN900Rumor mill says OMAP363018:44
flailingmonkeyin many ways the N900 competes with the iPad and the iPhone simultaneously18:44
chem|stStskeeps: someone will get killed that night18:44
JaffaGAN900: For Harmattan device?18:44
GAN900But Nokia is really gonna have to bring the heat for the N900+1 to compete with this.18:44
GAN900Jaffa, yeah.18:44
wazdIsner vs Mahut - oh my18:45
JaffaGAN900: Did it say OMAP3 or 3430 in Amsterdam?18:45
Corsacwazd: yeah, it's crazy18:45
LullenThe first meego phone from nokia will be harmattan, but when will we get a real meego phone from nokia?18:45
GAN900I'd buy the iPhone 4 in a heartbeat if iOS wasn't so boring.18:45
GAN900Jaffa, OMAP318:45
GAN900capacitive, WVGA18:45
JaffaGAN900: Yup; that was my impression from an iPad. Shiny; impressive; fun to use but boring after an hour or two18:45
Corsacand I don't exactly like the locked-down ecosystem18:45
CorsaciOS + iTunes etc.18:46
JaffaWVGA == 800x480?18:46
Jaffa(stupid acronyms)18:46
timeless_mbpLullen: before 2035!18:46
timeless_mbpor was it 203618:46
wazdJaffa: or 848x48018:46
Corsactimeless_mbp: the overflow?18:46
* timeless_mbp wasn't very good w/ tea leaves18:46
timeless_mbpCorsac: it's somewhere over there, yeah :)18:46
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wazdMohammadAG: have you heard? It's i"everythingbutthephone" now18:47
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RST38hheya wazd18:48
RST38hhow is life?18:48
RST38hgot yourself an iphone 4g? =)18:48
achipaJaffa: or 854x48018:48
Jaffaachipa: wazd: So, basically 800ishx480.18:48
Corsac70-68 then18:48
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wazdoh shit, they've finised :D18:48
wazdRST38h: heya :)18:49
Corsactoo bad :)18:49
Corsacand Ilsner won18:49
wazdRST38h: epic tennis battle :)18:49
achipaJaffa: yes, sort of favourite aspect ratio * 48018:49
wazdCorsac: I think they should marry each other now :D18:50
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Corsacyeah :)18:50
RST38hwazd: oh that...18:51
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wazdRST38h: I'm fine, finishing my top secret project :)18:55
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MohammadAG51hmm, android boots up, shows Powering down then turns off the device18:58
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GAN900Jaffa, or slightly more or less.19:00
GAN900Depending upon exactly how "wide"19:00
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lcuklol Stskeeps19:00
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trip0does maemo use a build system like obs that you can push code and have it build packages and add it to a repo somewhere?19:03
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Stskeepstrip0: maemo extras, but we're building a obs as well19:05
* trip0 searches wiki19:06
trip0thanks Stskeeps19:06
trip0will obs be up soon?19:06
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Stskeepsit'll be the same obs as the meego community obs, i believe19:07
trip0it'll just build for fremantle?19:07
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Stskeepswell we haven't seen any SDKs for harmattan..19:08
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trip0harmattan still lives?19:09
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trip0i thought it was going to be "meego"19:09
StskeepsN900killa: yes, we get it, you just lost 1000$19:09
N900killaI'm dead19:09
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N900killawhat should i do?19:10
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N900killano more internet for me19:10
trip0wear body-armour19:10
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Stskeepsgod, i suck.19:11
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trip0do I want to ask what that was all about?19:12
DocScrutinizerprolly not19:12
lcukits the same guy that got bored midmorning each day this week isnt it?19:12
Stskeepstrip0: read channel scrollback.. he's been trolling for days including claiming he was a nokia employee and not being able to answer simple questions.. and being kinda hostile in general19:12
* lcuk nods19:12
* trip0 notes not to mess with Stskeeps 19:12
DocScrutinizertrip0: wait til you start messing with ME :-P19:13
Stskeepsso we're a bit tired of him :)19:13
lcuktrip0, you neednt be concerned with Stskeeps - its that GAN900 fellow you should worry about ;)19:13
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Stskeeps(usually we are very happy about any nokians or ex-nokians as long as they're friendly)19:13
luke-jrjust ban *!*@*19:13
luke-jrthat'll keep him out19:13
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* DocScrutinizer shrugs19:15
DocScrutinizercouldn't feel upset about him the last ~24h19:16
luke-jrStskeeps: have you tried banning his nick yet?19:16
Stskeepsluke-jr: he changes nicks quite a fair bit19:16
DocScrutinizermaybe I missed one or two of his frequent nick changes19:16
luke-jrjust not today?19:16
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GAN900lcuk, rawr?19:17
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infobotvldcnst: aw, gee19:18
DocScrutinizeryou people make me dizzy - or is that the fact my coffee ran out19:19
trip0its the coffee19:19
trip0maybe you've had too much?19:19
vldcnstthere's never too much coffee19:19
trip0...unless you start seeing spots on everything19:20
GAN900luke-jr, like a dozen in the past few weels19:20
vldcnstnot from coffee19:20
trip0you only need 1000mg or so of caffeine to overdose19:21
vldcnstfor a coffee newbie maybe19:21
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trip0wow, this calc is awesome19:22
trip0we need a meego app for this19:22
vldcnstAfter 59.72 cans of Red Bull, you'd be pushing up daisies.19:22
vldcnstOh my.19:22
trip02000 glasses of chocolate milk would kill you19:23
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trip0(but something tells me you'd die before 100)19:23
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mortinitrip0: depends on how quickly consumed19:24
trip095 cups of coffee19:24
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vldcnstI doubt you can actually DIE19:24
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mortiniyou'd really have to try.19:25
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mortini150-200mg per kg of body mass19:25
mortinibut, it's timing19:26
trip0i doubt you could physically down 100 cups of coffee in any reasonable amount of time it would take to kill you19:26
mortiniyou could do it if you had just caffeine, but that's about it.19:26
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RST38hHeh, Eldar dances on the Symbian bones19:26
vldcnstthat one could kill you I guess19:27
mortiniso, the half-life for caffeine in human males is 4.9 hours, so, less than that.19:27
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trip0mortini, is it different in females?19:28
mortinioh, that's 'adults' according to wikipedia, females on contraception is 5-10 hours19:28
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: GAN900: could you explain to me why this killa/faka/lova guy was kicked now? I donmt think it's educative to reward a short period of almost correct behaviour with restrictions19:32
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: it bends down to him talking inconsistent crap as well as being hostile and disruptive to channel discussions and mood.19:34
GAN900DocScrutinizer51, because I was tired of his incessant idiocy?19:34
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: when?19:34
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StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: well do you really want me to pull out the various examples where he has been pointed out to state untruthful stuff, including 'ircing from a car' and saying he's rich when he can't pay his rent as well as other inconsistent stuff? :P19:35
jacekowskiGAN900: so that would mean that you can be rude/insulting and etc. but if you are stupid you get banned19:35
GAN900DocScrutinizer51, I'm more than happy to ceed the handling of it to you.19:36
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: he's rude to people and even more insulting than crashanddie, really :P19:36
GAN900Since I don't particularly have time to deal with nonsense like jacekowski's at work.19:36
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DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: completely agree. just saying he started to behave19:36
StskeepsDocScrutinizer51: as well as actively evading bans and continuing after being warned. i don't like banning nor kicking people, personally19:37
Stskeepsbut this character shows me something i've commonly seen in other trolls, so19:37
DocScrutinizer51Stskeeps: just saying he behaved since yesterday19:38
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jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: well, today he was sort of hmm19:39
DocScrutinizer51and yesterday/the day bfore I got bashed for banning him19:39
Stskeepswhen? :P19:39
Stskeepsright, and i'm disagreeing with that (that he behaved)19:39
jacekowski16:49 < N900rulz> plus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours19:39
jacekowski16:51 < N900rulz> jacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life19:39
jacekowski16:55 < N900rulz> jacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous19:39
RST38hjacekowski: Have you asked him an obligatory question about what he is wearing?19:40
DocScrutinizer51that's what I've missed19:40
DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: thanks19:40
RST38hI mean, kicking him without asking obligatory questions is wrong, wrong19:40
jacekowskiand he was ircing while driving19:40
jacekowskiand he was plain stupid19:40
RST38hThat is nice19:40
jacekowskiwhich on it's own is enough19:41
RST38hI mean, you actually missed an opportunity to cause a traffic accident over irc?19:41
RST38hThat may be one in your lifetime...19:41
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jacekowskiwell, there was somebody driving lorry in canada 2 days ago19:41
RST38hHe did not say what he was driving19:42
jacekowskiso there will be couple more chances19:42
RST38hHopefully it was an oil tanker19:42
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crashanddiejacekowski & DocScrutinizer51: yeah, he's a troll who's been coming quite a bit, just get rid of him time and time again19:46
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DocScrutinizer51thanks for confirming, great cleanser of buns err bans19:48
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LullenHow do I make a qlistview scroll down to the index I have selected?19:51
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mortiniLullen: tried setCurrentIndex?19:54
Lullenmortini thanks!19:56
Lullengot suprised when it selected an item and did not scroll down to it :)19:56
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mortiniLullen: the 'list all members' of a class feature of the documentation is nice, because then you can see everything it inherits, too19:58
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mortinier, there's a link at the top of the page19:58
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Lullennow it is working as it should, thanks again!20:04
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mortinicool, np20:05
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ham5what file browser can I use that will open config files in a text editor?20:07
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* RST38h mourns his laptop20:12
* SpeedEvil holds up the case of the laptop.20:12
SpeedEvil'Alas, poor laptop, I knew him well!'20:12
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RST38hYea, that is exactly how I feel20:13
RST38hExcept that the poor thing is not fully dead yet, more like sick with cancer20:13
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* h0n3st is away: I'm busy20:16
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maemouserhhey can i somehow save a route on maps for offline routing?20:18
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ham5click/ walk threw the maps when your online?20:46
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InteliWasphow well does maemo 5 work with the n800?20:47
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RST38hIt does not20:48
InteliWaspso i shuld stay with diablo?20:49
RST38hThat is an invalid question20:49
flailingmonkeyInteliWasp: you'll get meego, probably by 1.1 release (1.1 is about to enter open development)20:49
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Lullenwhat can "undefined reference to `DietSettings::DietSettings(QWidget*)'" mean? I have included the dietsettings.h and written "DietSettings *ds;" in the window that calls header. And in the cpp file I have a function wich have the following lines ds = new DietSettings(this); and ds->show; What have I missed?20:52
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trip0what's the deal with mono on the n900?20:54
trip0Lullen: it means that you have a constructor 'DietSettings(QWidget*) in your header and it's not implemented in your cpp file20:55
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Lullennow it works:)20:59
trip0of course it does ;)21:00
trip0where's the wiki on using autobuilder?21:00
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DrGrovHow is AutoDisconnect working really? Does it work without needing to run the application in the background?21:25
vldcnstisn't it open source?21:25
* DocScrutinizer drops a note to Stskeeps and GAN900 about complete uselessness of banning particular IP addr which obviously are dynamic21:30
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valdynDrGrov: no21:30
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flailingmonkeyI vote for +q on user21:31
flailingmonkey@*.* or w/e21:32
DocScrutinizer[2010-06-24 20:31:55] [Bannliste: #maemo] *!*user@ eingetragen von Stskeeps am 2010-06-24 17:0521:32
DocScrutinizer[Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:57:47] <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: to me a +b *!*user@74.198.*.* feels a sane thing to do21:34
DocScrutinizer[Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:59:02] <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: why would you ban a whole class B?21:34
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: makes sense, feel free to do that21:34
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: I'm thoroughly fed up with dealing with it, as I got nothing but flames and fuzzy answers and other chanops reverting what I had been set after carefully thinking about how to do the best thing for the channel21:36
luke-jranyone here good with pendulums?21:36
StskeepsDocScrutinizer: i've changed my opinion after reviewing logs of users from same IP range.21:37
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DocScrutinizerI've changed my opinion about feeling involved in this particular topic21:37
DrGrovvaldyn: so i need to keep the application multitasking in the background? wtf? should not that work by default?21:37
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DocScrutinizerStskeeps: drop a note to crashanddie not to delete it in 30min21:38
mortinithat isp spans that /16, tho21:39
Stskeepsyeah, the CIDR is right21:39
mortinioh, duh.21:39
* mortini lrn2read.21:39
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valdynDrGrov: you cannot see most processes in the task manager, and you cannot see the autodisconnect daemons either21:42
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valdynDrGrov: no idea why you are wtfing this...21:43
valdynDrGrov: the autodiconnect configuration tool does not need to be running21:44
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DrGrovvaldyn: ah, then that was what i mean. that it does not need to be running.21:52
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DrGrovvaldyn: i misunderstood you that is why i wtfcked it21:54
* GAN900 hands DocScrutinizer some chocolate.21:55
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DocScrutinizerseems my sctp server isn't running (secure chocolate transfer protocol)21:58
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DocScrutinizerI suspect soime nasty greedy Cisco router ate it22:00
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Wolfieso, how can I enter a full WPA2 hex key into my n900? it doens't allow me to enter the last hex22:01
flailingmonkeythere is an app that lets you22:02
* DocScrutinizer sighs22:02
zashflailingmonkey: you mean "there's a hack for that" ;)22:02
flailingmonkeyas you found, the one in the current firmware isn't able to22:02
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yigalwhy is Modest an even poorer email client than it was in Diablo? :)22:03
Wolfieflailingmonkey: where can I find this app?22:03
Stskeepsyigal: that wonders me at times too. i loved the pre-modest one22:03
DocScrutinizeryigal: that's caled progress22:03
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yigalI mean the older Modest one could use the menu key and quickly move to another account, and at least there was some search capabilities.  It's very funny, how limited this Modest is.22:05
* SpeedEvil notes that modest is open-source.22:05
SpeedEvilapt-get remove modest22:05
SpeedEvilapt-get install elm22:05
SpeedEvil(or more sensibly, a version of modest where you've fixed the bugs you complain of)22:06
Venemohey guys22:06
flailingmonkeySpeedEvil: you know you can't apt-get remove modest22:06
yigalSpeedEvil: ah, if I were such a pro at coding I would be very happy22:06
yigalflailingmonkey: you can, but with consequences22:06
Venemocould anyone tell me what the problem is with the auto-builder?22:06
SpeedEvilflailingmonkey: you can remove modest22:06
SpeedEvilI have22:06
flailingmonkeydon't tease us :P22:06
flailingmonkeyVenemo: ahoy22:06
SpeedEvilflailingmonkey: apt-get remove modest worked.22:06
yigalSpeedEvil: it didn't remove anything else?22:07
yigalSpeedEvil: interesting22:07
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SpeedEvilIt shouldn't remove anything other than stuff that only depends on it22:07
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yigaljust reading,
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flailingmonkeyreally? I thought it was in that firmware metapackage22:07
Venemosorry, I got disconnected22:08
yigalSpeedEvil: I'm enlarging Easy Debian image right now, I'll check after that's done22:08
SpeedEvil(I never used it, and it used up a dozen meg or so of RAM)22:08
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SpeedEvilapt-get install modest only wants to install one package22:08
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flailingmonkeyfor me, it would remove mp-fremantle-002-pr22:10
flailingmonkeyso, yeah22:10
yigalSpeedEvil: sure, but that doesn't mean it wasn't part of a larger metapackage initially22:10
SpeedEvilI'm not saying that's not the case - simply that I have noticed no consequences in the month I've had it uninstalled22:10
SpeedEvil(well - other than having more free RAM)22:11
yigalSpeedEvil: good to hear22:11
yigalI imagine I will follow suit shortly22:11
yigalI like mutt, but the ui isn't really designed for a small touchscreen imo22:11
flailingmonkeya bunch of useful packages were automatically installed by modest, so apt thinks they are no longer needed22:12
flailingmonkeyso don't run apt-get autoremove :P22:12
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flailingmonkeylike, rtcom-accounts-voip-support, and cherry22:12
yigalor just manually install those packages22:12
flailingmonkeyeveryone needs cherry after all! ;)22:13
yigalor create a equivs metapackage22:13
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DocScrutinizerThere's this fancy first-boot(?)-setup-wizard for region, language, and time/date, incredibly oversophisticated graphics (like a gambling machine) and same time basically unusable - not to mention those win2000-alike animated teaching assistant. I run into that 2 times now (2nd after rebooting when bat was removed for 12h). Is it still there in 1.2?22:13
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yigalDocScrutinizer: never saw that, n900 used my cell provider for all of that22:14
yigalas far as I can remember?22:14
DocScrutinizerhehe, I booted without SIM22:14
valdynyigal: remove battery and see22:14
flailingmonkeyi've seen it, if you leave battery unplugged long enough22:15
yigalinteresting, I hope I will never have to22:15
flailingmonkeyno SIM will too22:15
DocScrutinizerso I gather it's still there and still nusable22:16
flailingmonkeySpeedEvil: did you remove mp-fremantle-002-pr as well as modest22:16
flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer: don't know what you mean by unusable22:16
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DocScrutinizerit's like a fortune wheel. A royal PITA to get he right setting22:17
DocScrutinizermuch too much balistic scrolling22:17
DocScrutinizertoo less dampening22:17
flailingmonkeyits iPhone-y22:18
DocScrutinizerand you can't click-select a value out of the list, you need to scroll it to the "hit&win" center field22:18
flailingmonkeybut without enough tuning22:18
DocScrutinizermakes me want to smash the N900 to next wall22:19
yigalmakes me love Diablo22:19
DocScrutinizersome serious wanking of a UX-guy22:20
flailingmonkeykeyboard support would have been smart addition, but its not frequently used22:20
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DocScrutinizerand for time/date this widget is as odd as it can possibly get22:21
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DocScrutinizernah, wait. maybe the time thing was brilliant. Almost forgot the whole unpleasant experience22:22
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luke-jrany idea what the part that connects the pendulum to the gear is called?22:22
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yigalluke-jr: input shaft, although I don't know the context22:23
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luke-jrbuilding a clock22:24
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zashluke-jr: "hook" or something like that22:26
zashduno what it's in english22:27
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luke-jrfound it.. anchor22:31
DocScrutinizer51flailingmonkey: any idea how long a battery removal it needs to make that setting madness thing pop up on boot?22:32
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valdynDocScrutinizer51: sim change does it in no time22:32
zashluke-jr: escapement would be the generetic term22:33
DocScrutinizer51it's hard to chane NO sim22:33
flailingmonkeynope, no clue22:34
SpeedEvilflailingmonkey: All I did was apt-get remove modest - I'm quite sure of that22:34
* DocScrutinizer51 goes scrutinizing the schematics, particularly the backup battery details22:34
SpeedEvilflailingmonkey: I upgraded PR1->1.1->1.1.1->1.2 - OTA though22:35
SpeedEvilflailingmonkey: maybe that has an impact22:35
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flailingmonkeySpeedEvil: when did you remove modest?22:36
flailingmonkeyI've only upgraded by OTA so far, flasher virgin right here22:37
DocScrutinizer51well, the bupbat seems to work like expected. some 10min of bat removed don't cause loss of RTC, nor do they make the gambling machine show up22:38
flailingmonkeyif you have a sim, maybe you should put one in22:39
flailingmonkeyare you avoiding cherry?22:39
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SpeedEvilflailingmonkey: about a couple of months ago, I think22:40
SpeedEvilflailingmonkey: If you really want to  know grep for speedevil.*modest22:41
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flailingmonkeyalright. I wonder if I can upload a package that depends on all the same packages as mp-fremantle-002-pr, so that installing it will allow removal of the PR package22:42
DocScrutinizer51flailingmonkey: yep, cherrysquashing pending22:42
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flailingmonkeyand then I would be able to have that replacement package not pin versions, allowing newer versions of packages to be released and updated to between PRs22:44
flailingmonkeywould work/won't work?22:44
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* SpeedEvil has no clue.22:47
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SpeedEvilAnyone happen to know if 'javascript pausing' got pushed upstream and might turn up in FF?22:49
Rabidusläksispä sitte22:50
Rabidusoops, sorry22:50
yigalnow that you've done it, ough22:50
yigalflailingmonkey: it would work22:51
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flailingmonkeyafter doing that, you wouldn't automatically update to the next PR22:52
yigalI don't know enough22:53
flailingmonkeyperhaps a program would check when a new PR is available, and fix you up to update to the new release22:53
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yigalsounds doable in theory22:56
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yigalIn theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.22:57
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DrGrovThe D-THEME SimpleBlue has some annoying bugs.23:05
DrGrovIt is a difficult theme to use since it constantly lags when opening shortcuts or closing them.23:06
DrGrovScrolling in menus lags as well23:06
DrGrovWhy put a theme in the extras repository when it is clearly still almost like it belongs in testing repository?23:07
DrGrovJust curious to know that is all23:07
trip0how long does it normally take to get an upload invite after requesting?23:09
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flailingmonkeyDrGrov: all it takes is votes, and those people are supposed to try it out first23:16
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DrGrovflailingmonkey: ok, i think i will the theme a second chance though. i presume it is a bit of a slow starter in the beginning after a fresh reboot.23:20
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flailingmonkeyif it still sucks, vote it down :P23:27
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DocScrutinizerflailingmonkey: voting down apps in extras?23:53
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flailingmonkeyoh, right.. it got into extras23:54
DocScrutinizerok, bme is definitely buggy23:54
DocScrutinizerreally buggy23:55
DocScrutinizerI always thought Nokia/maemo was better on battery charging and management than Openmoko. I start to doubt23:56
DocScrutinizerI mean, keeping the device in a ACT_DEAD semi powered up state, while no charger is attached, and no indicator light or any screen display would let you know. That's about as bad as it can get23:58
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