IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-06-24

DocScrutinizer	and seems I urgently need a good shot of loud 200Motels	00:00
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DocScrutinizer	mytery roach, for example	00:00
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_0x471	Well, I'm trying to port libboost 1.40 to Maemo. It somehow worked with 1.38 (it's in extras-devel). I have to mix three sources for the following reasons: The original 1.40 debian package uses new source format so it cannot be apt-get sourced in the SDK (outdated). The previous 1.40 package is tagged in the Debian SVN. But in there is only the ./debian/ dir, so no actual sources. That means I'm using the 1.40 release sources from boost, the 1.40-4	00:01
_0x471	I had to tweak a few lines in order to make it stop complain (debhelper 7 etc)	00:02
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_0x471	Finally it starts to build but miserably fails with the following output: http://www.copypastecode.com/31523/	00:03
_0x471	Now it's your turn MohammadAG51 :)	00:03
_0x471	brb, cig ->	00:04
MohammadAG51	_0x471, check the wiki entry about debhelper7	00:05
MohammadAG51	brb myself	00:05
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DrGrov	brb	00:07
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_0x471	re	00:12
_0x471	yeah indeed, i read all of it	00:13
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_0x471	i had to use the alternative thingy tho, dehelper7 didn't help much. So I changed the required version to 5	00:14
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_0x471	MohammadAG51 (in case you didn't notice)	00:15
MohammadAG51	just a sec	00:16
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DocScrutinizer51	MohammadAG51: I gother you're not onn a decent connection right now?	00:17
MohammadAG51	why?	00:17
DocScrutinizer51	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fRimhxa0bE&feature=related	00:18
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solrize	dell small business is really selling stuff cheap but i'm terrified to buy from them. has anyone bought their n900 and not gotten spammed to within an inch of their life afterwards?	00:18
SpeedEvil	So?	00:18
SpeedEvil	Use a fake address	00:19
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DocScrutinizer51	sometimes I see parallels everywhere	00:19
solrize	how are they going to send the n900 to a fake address? i mean snail mail spam	00:19
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SpeedEvil	solrize: You could use mine.	00:19
SpeedEvil	I shall screen the mail for you.	00:20
solrize	heh	00:20
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_0x471	MohammadAG51: /me is more important than zappa?	00:22
DocScrutinizer51	heretic!	00:24
digitalsurgeon	DocScrutinizer51: did u sell ur iphone yet ?	00:25
DocScrutinizer51	digitalsurgeon: havemyou stopped beating your wife?	00:25
swc\|666	lol	00:26
MohammadAG51	rofl	00:27
MohammadAG51	_0x471, no, dinner is	00:27
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_0x471	almost bed time here :/	00:28
MohammadAG	_0x471, did you add the lines to the debian/rules file?	00:28
MohammadAG	for debhelper7	00:28
_0x471	I tried at first, but this didn't help much. I had to reduce the 7s to 5s	00:29
MohammadAG	_0x471, http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Debhelper_7	00:29
_0x471	Are you ignoring my response? :P	00:30
_0x471	Alternatively, you can try to use debhelper 5. Debian packages that require level 7 need some changes, for example: debian/compat: 7 -> 5 debian/control: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7) -> debhelper (>= 5) Possibly, comment out a few dh_* calls from debian/rules, which might not exist on level 5	00:30
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_0x471	MohammadAG: The build would still fail adding these lines to the debian/rules. Still complaining about the debhelper not being Version 7.	00:31
_0x471	Let me add them one more time for you to see the errors	00:32
MohammadAG	_k	00:32
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JustAnotherGuy	hi	00:35
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_0x471	MohammadAG: adding them right on top, k?	00:36
DocScrutinizer51	eten M800, samsung OMNIA, LIN900 nobrand linux featurephone proto, 2 Openmoko Neo 1973, ~10 Neo Freerunner, 2 GTA03 protoboards, Nokia first 6210, 2 N810, 2 N900. Damn, NO spyPone	00:37
MohammadAG	_0x471, yes, after comments, if there are any	00:37
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_0x471	MohammadAG: so i did	00:39
_0x471	output:	00:39
_0x471	[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: /home/user/MyDocs/boost/fkingsht/boost1.40-1.40.0] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-buildpackage: source package is boost1.40	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 1.40.0-4maemo1	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-buildpackage: source changed by Steve M. Robbins <smr@debian.org>	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-buildpackage: host architecture armel	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-buildpackage: source version without epoch 1.40.0-4maemo1	00:39
_0x471	: Using Scratchbox tools to satisfy builddeps	00:39
_0x471	-: Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: debhelper 5.0.42	00:39
_0x471	: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: bison	00:39
_0x471	: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: docbook-to-man	00:39
_0x471	: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: xsltproc	00:39
_0x471	: Dependency provided by Scratchbox: doxygen	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7)	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.	00:39
_0x471	dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)	00:39
MohammadAG	_0x471, use pastebin next time, change debian/control's debhelper (>= 7) to debhelper7	00:39
JustAnotherGuy	whenever I open a mail on my N900 using my mail for exchange account it now takes 7-10 seconds. There's hgh cpu usage in dbus-daemon during the pause, is there anything I can do to debug the problem?	00:40
JustAnotherGuy	it's fine for IMAP and it used to be fin for MfE	00:41
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_0x471	MohammadAG: My fault, I didn't see the hint. It's not very clear that you'd have to change that one in the debian/control. Maybe someone should make this more clear in the Wiki? For now it's building, lets see what it turns out.	00:42
_0x471	aaaaaaand there it is	00:43
_0x471	error	00:43
_0x471	mom	00:43
_0x471	same as before	00:43
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MohammadAG	which is? (pastebin.com)	00:44
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_0x471	this one sir: http://pastebin.com/gQDGKYVT	00:45
_0x471	if you need more log, please let me know	00:45
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JustAnotherGuy	just deleted my MfE account and created it again and now it's fine	00:47
JustAnotherGuy	for future reference	00:47
_0x471	MohammadAG did you see it?	00:51
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MohammadAG	No idea mate, I suck at debugging C/C++	00:53
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_0x471	k then I'm giving up too. I messed around with it all day long and it's really frustrating successfully building it on one system but failing on another. I'm still wondering why Maemo and the SDK is so incredible outdated... This kinda kills my will to help/contribute and enthusiasm. Well, thanks for your time, MohammadAG!	00:56
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MohammadAG	[ 857.717590] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered <-- quite worrying	00:57
MohammadAG	Anytime _0x471, I don't see any probs with the SDK :)	00:58
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_0x471	MohammadAG: big issues with the SDK. If I cp -R the directory over to my Ubuntu machine, and run the same command, it builds with no errors. What else could be the problem then?	00:59
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SpeedEvil	Does anyone happen to know if javascript pausing has gone upstream and is in firefox nightlies, or any releases yet?	01:00
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_0x471	MohammadAG: Any idea who could have ported the boost libs? http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/boost1.38/1.38.0-6maemo2/	01:08
_0x471	Guess he could help me out	01:08
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_0x471	ok never mind, got to hit the sack	01:19
_0x471	nn all	01:19
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MohammadAG	o/ lcukn900	02:00
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kW	Does anybody know which directory the camera application wants to access to write images and movies?	02:04
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ShadowJK	DCIM..	02:05
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ShadowJK	but it's messier than just a directory iirc	02:06
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ptl	yikes!	02:43
ptl	my processor temperatura was at 51°C	02:43
ptl	just because I was uploading something to youtube	02:43
ptl	*temperature	02:43
Proteous	as long as you don't go over 90C you are fine	02:44
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ptl	put it in front of the fan	02:44
ptl	temperatura is at 46°C now	02:44
N900evil	there is no accufrate processor temp.	02:44
ptl	43	02:44
ptl	it's ok to be approximate.	02:45
N900evil	it is completely bogus at least some time	02:45
ptl	it's consistent	02:45
ptl	I refreshed the temperature indicator because the device seemed hot	02:46
ptl	so I saw 51°C	02:46
N900evil	As in, it would not move at all when I md5summed /dev/zero	02:46
N900evil	where are you getting thyis temp from?	02:46
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N900evil	I mean the cpu temp meter.	02:47
ptl	/sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp	02:47
N900evil	ah	02:47
ptl	39°C now... much better	02:47
ShadowJK	That's not CPU temp	02:47
N900evil	that's the motherboard temperature	02:47
N900evil	the battery charge meter	02:47
ptl	I thought it was measured by the battery which is next to the CPU	02:47
ptl	isn't it?	02:48
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ptl	so in part it reflects the CPU temperature	02:48
GAN900	The first thing my mother did when she wanted to get the SIM out of her new iPhone 4 was stick a pin in the ambient noise mic on the top. . . .	02:48
ShadowJK	There's no temperature sensor in the battery	02:48
b-man	lol	02:48
ptl	so it's kinda odd that the battery charge kernel driver returns a temperature	02:49
ShadowJK	iirc bq27200 is a bit away from cpu+sdram+nand stack	02:49
crashanddie	GAN900: re	02:49
crashanddie	GAN900: cur	02:49
crashanddie	GAN900: sion	02:49
crashanddie	GAN900: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs020.ash2/34343_827309133792_9125091_45544484_5619899_n.jpg	02:49
GAN900	Scary	02:49
ShadowJK	Well the charge meter chip has a crude die temperature sensor, it's only natural to report whatever info the chip provides	02:50
b-man	O_o	02:50
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ShadowJK	(the battery gauge chip uses temp sensor to detect subzero temperatures and reduce available energy estimate)	02:55
ptl	GAN900 facepalmed because I used 'battery', ok, saying battery was a silly thing, I wanted to say the charge meter as the name 'charge meter' and 'battery' are kinda exchangeable in my language	02:55
MohammadAG51	Change your language	02:56
ptl	I did	02:56
GAN900	ptl, I facepalmed at my mother sticking a pin in a mic hole.	02:56
ptl	but some confusions happen sometimes.	02:56
ptl	I am typing in english	02:56
ptl	GAN900: oh, ok	02:56
Proteous	"sticking a pin in the mic hole" is that what the kids are calling it nowdays?	02:57
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b-man	LOL	02:58
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SpeedEvil	ptl: the The charge meter - looking at the board pics - is around 1.5cm from the CPU	02:59
SpeedEvil	hmm	02:59
ptl	not that close	02:59
crashanddie	GAN900: I just quoted you in another channel, and some dude went "crashanddie, I knew I'd seen your nickname before, #maemo right?". The guy remembered #maemo from YOUR "GAN900" instantly.	02:59
SpeedEvil	It is.	02:59
ptl	but not that far also	02:59
GAN900	crashanddie, that's sad for me.	02:59
SpeedEvil	Oh	02:59
SpeedEvil	right	02:59
SpeedEvil	nvm	02:59
SpeedEvil	ptl: the CPU temp I suspect is not greatly affecting that.	03:00
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SpeedEvil	ptl: what were you doing at this time?	03:00
SpeedEvil	ptl: as the cell modem and wifi will use the same as teh CPU flat-out sometimes	03:00
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ptl	SpeedEvil: uploading a video to youtube, using nethogs wlan0 to see upload taxes, using X-Chat and tree more browser windows open on talk.maemo.org, only that	03:01
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ptl	*three more browser	03:01
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SpeedEvil	ah	03:01
SpeedEvil	That's going to be using the wlan flat out, and the CPU flat out too, and the backlight too	03:03
SpeedEvil	Though the backlight doesn't heat the board	03:03
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alludus	Hi, what for is file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-44 on n900. Can i change keyboardmapping from there?	03:13
MohammadAG51	heritage from the RX-44 I guess	03:14
MohammadAG51	keep it anyways	03:14
SpeedEvil	The 44 was an early unreleased proto?	03:14
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alludus	I cant really figure our how to change Å(Aring) key to Alt key...	03:15
Lantizia	Can the N900 ovi maps do voices and driving mode?	03:16
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SpeedEvil	Lantizia: Not on n900, as I understand it.	03:16
alludus	is there any memo where it shows key codes like (key <AB08>) is this key on kb	03:16
SpeedEvil	Lantizia: It does on others as I understand it.	03:16
Lantizia	thought as much, can you recommend any other map apps that can for the N900 ?	03:17
SpeedEvil	there is sygic	03:17
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SpeedEvil	I think	03:17
SpeedEvil	that's the only one	03:17
SpeedEvil	Well - then there are various openstreetmap and other stuff.	03:17
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SpeedEvil	Is htere a picasa sharing plugin?	03:25
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alludus	ohh i got it now >.<	03:29
alludus	stupid me	03:29
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MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, sharing-service-picasa	03:30
SpeedEvil	Curse these impossible-to-decipher names!	03:31
SpeedEvil	:)	03:31
MohammadAG51	:D	03:31
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SpeedEvil	Reading state information... Done	03:32
SpeedEvil	E: Handler silently failed	03:32
SpeedEvil	hmm	03:32
MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, ovi	03:32
SpeedEvil	oh	03:32
MohammadAG51	user/hidden to be more precise	03:32
MohammadAG51	some version of apt broke installs from there	03:33
MohammadAG51	i have a reversed deb - somewhere	03:33
SpeedEvil	hmm - ovi.com is timing out for me	03:34
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MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb	03:37
MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, or edit ~/home/user/.osso/hildon-application-manager and set red pill mode and red pill mode permanent to 1	03:37
SpeedEvil	thanks	03:38
SpeedEvil	what does red pill mode do	03:38
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MohammadAG51	enable red pill, the package would show up in app manager	03:38
MohammadAG51	but that's too slow	03:38
MohammadAG51	Night	03:39
SpeedEvil	ah	03:39
asj	OSM can't do routing yet though :(	03:39
SpeedEvil	night	03:39
MohammadAG51	:)	03:39
SpeedEvil	asj: you can do routing ont he data	03:39
MohammadAG51	SpeedEvil, pin apt when you install my deb	03:39
SpeedEvil	asj: there are several services that do	03:39
SpeedEvil	k	03:39
asj	SpeedEvil: sorry, I stated that to generically, you can not route with the n900	03:39
asj	and do turn-by-turn	03:40
SpeedEvil	I had a voice nav app on the n900	03:40
SpeedEvil	but I lost it when I reflashed pr1.0	03:40
SpeedEvil	and I haven't rewritten	03:40
SpeedEvil	3 line dbus-monitor+awk+espeak	03:40
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asj	SpeedEvil: there's ebough dbus info flowing out from ovi maps? or some other app? that's interesting	03:42
SpeedEvil	no - just positio	03:42
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SpeedEvil	n	03:42
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asj	ah ok	03:42
SpeedEvil	It was a very silly 'left'/right warmer/colder thing	03:42
asj	ah ok	03:43
MohammadAG51	lol	03:43
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crashanddie	List of reasons why you shouldn't be afraid to leave me with your kids: "Number 3: I never killed anyone by accident." <-- somehow, that's not a very good argument.	03:53
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crashanddie	damn, I really hate the summer break	04:04
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crashanddie	all the good shows stop, and the best shows that remain air episodes like droplets in a river	04:05
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crashanddie	and in other news, a drunk driver trapped after overturning his car cracked open another can of beer while he waited for emergency crews to rescue him.	04:07
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ptl	oh, come on	04:36
ptl	and I thought android had useful applications	04:36
Rabidus	hi	04:36
ptl	just took a walk on androlib.com and saw only stupid apps	04:36
ptl	now I just stumbled on this: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-teknoraver-FiCm.aspx	04:36
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ptl	N900 has way more useful applications	04:36
Rabidus	"the page cannot be found"	04:36
Rabidus	oh sorry, it was next line timestamp	04:37
ptl	?	04:37
Rabidus	sry, not related to you directly	04:38
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e-yes	ptl, stop advert your favorite application	04:45
ptl	ok, I will	04:47
ptl	lol	04:47
ptl	let's do it for maemo!	04:47
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Kleggas	well, think I read some time ago somewhere about attempts to make a selfcharging battery based on movement. That app could be really good to have around then ;)	05:03
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crashanddie	Oh the irony of a Android-dedicated website running ASP	05:30
crashanddie	GeneralAntilles: gimme thanks	05:31
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GAN900	crashanddie, for?	05:32
crashanddie	GAN900: dunno, just see you browsing topics I've posted in	05:32
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pyther	Just got my N900 today, was wondering if there was native support for AIM and MSN	05:41
asj	pyther: yes, install the extra IM plugins	05:42
pigeon	speaking of which, which msn plugin do you people use? haze or butterfly or pecan?	05:43
pyther	asj: do I need the pidgin plugin stuff?	05:46
asj	pyther: mmmm, don't think so, you want the Conversations extra plugins	05:46
asj	pyther: might be in extras-testing? (devel?)	05:46
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pyther	maybe this "Pidgin protocols plugin for Conversations and Contacts"	05:48
asj	pyther: yeah that sounds good	05:49
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luke-jr	pyther: better off not usign them :)	05:52
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pyther	haha	05:55
pyther	Is there a good intro guide on configuring the N900?	05:55
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e-yes	special "thanks" for irc plugin for conversation, very useful.	06:05
e-yes	actually, is there any alternative that "know" about notification facilities (sound/lights) of n900?	06:08
pyther	Stupid question but how can i set a profile?	06:08
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asj	pyther: push the power button, or touch the battery	06:13
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pyther	asj: perfect thanks	06:20
pyther	can't wait for my case to come so I can actually start using it	06:21
pyther	asj: is possbile to create an additional profile?	06:21
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asj	pyther: heh, no	06:23
pyther	that is disappointing, oh well	06:24
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pigeon	pyther,asj: you can with tweakr	07:45
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nan	anytime	08:03
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Stskeeps	morn andre__	08:10
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DocScrutinizer	mo Stskeeps	08:11
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Stskeeps	morn	08:12
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: do you think it's incident the NITs use 'u' to enter bootloader flashmode, just like uBoot based devices do?	08:12
andre__	Stskeeps, heja!	08:12
DocScrutinizer	'u' could mean 'update' as well. But I always thought it's 'uBoot'	08:13
DocScrutinizer	i.e is NOLO == uBoot+/-x ?	08:14
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: yes, i think it's incident	08:16
DocScrutinizer	hmm, a pity :-D	08:16
DocScrutinizer	no lever to as for source of NOLO ;-)	08:17
DocScrutinizer	ask*	08:17
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: well. NOLO is signed and hence you can't replace it, why bother having the source?	08:22
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DocScrutinizer	I'm not sure about that	08:22
DocScrutinizer	not convinced to be precise	08:23
Stskeeps	i'm quite sure	08:23
Stskeeps	:P	08:23
Corsac	who does the nolo sign check?	08:24
Stskeeps	OMAP HS rom, i believe	08:24
Corsac	and what does it do if the check fails? it'll refuse to boot?	08:24
Corsac	(a bit like TPM?)	08:24
magic_silver_box	dont worry	08:24
magic_silver_box	i have carrots	08:24
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Corsac	does that use trustzone, or is it a standard arm feature?	08:24
Stskeeps	dunno, i just know it's there and not to fuck with it :P	08:25
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luke-jr	Stskeeps: think I can get the Maemo calendar working in tonal? XD	08:30
tekojo	morning!	08:30
luke-jr	tekojo: morning	08:31
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DocScrutinizer	I always thought there are 2 versions of OMAP wrt signature checking initial loader	08:41
* DocScrutinizer suggests a joint effort to brute force crack the signature (or Nokia publishes the signing key to document they're not as evil as you'd think)		08:43
Stskeeps	i think there's bigger fish to fry, tbh	08:44
Stskeeps	:P	08:44
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DocScrutinizer	sure. But some are small, delicious, and look funny	08:45
Stskeeps	how's charging coming along?	08:45
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DocScrutinizer	and I feel like Nokia's hostage just another time. Nobody told me I can't revert from 1.2 celmo (and I'm pondering whom to sue if the repair dept at Nokia will fry my 1.1 cellmo FW during fixing the power switch), and now I have to learn they can replace NOLO any time with a signature checking version not allowing me to install my own kernels on device, and there's just nothing I can do if that happens (except knowing in advance and just not	08:48
DocScrutinizer	update)	08:48
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DocScrutinizer	charging was declared a low low low priority for meego afaicr, for hostmode it's also no showstopper, so nothing essential has been done yet	08:49
asj	DocScrutinizer: did you look at the security model they proposed for maemo6?	08:49
Corsac	DocScrutinizer: afaik the security model should allow you to boot an unsigned kernel, but some functions won't be enabled	08:49
* DocScrutinizer heads to bathroom to puke - please, not this time of day, even before my breakfast		08:50
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: well, until handset day one (this month), anything else is a low priority, but we're not exactly having luck with the closed charging either..	08:50
Corsac	(the exact range of what is enabled is not clear for me, especially I don't know if it'll be possible to use security functions, encryption etc. with a custom kernel)	08:50
MiXu-_	"# Individuals can now register as Ovi Publishers"	08:50
MiXu-_	Nice	08:50
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: afaik SSU's can't upgrade nolo/won't, so i wouldn't worry about that..	08:50
asj	DocScrutinizer: point being, they've stated if you don't want drm features you can install any kernel you want with maemo6	08:50
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: so you tell me I should push it up to top of my ToDo list?	08:50
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: well, i was just asking about the current state :P but i guess usb host is higher atm	08:51
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: a basic working charge mode can be implemented til next week though	08:51
Stskeeps	have you successfully made it charge so far?	08:51
Corsac	who needs charging anyway	08:52
DocScrutinizer	there's few unknown ground to break	08:52
DocScrutinizer	yes	08:52
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Stskeeps	personally i'd be interested in a simple charging, doesn't have to be efficient, just has to work and stop in error situations	08:53
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: a basic working safe charging, that just doesn't deal with special niche cases like overtemperature etc, is basically a oneliner	08:53
DocScrutinizer	and it worked	08:53
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: define 'error situation'	08:53
tybollt	Stskeeps: Z500 eh? o_O	08:53
Stskeeps	tybollt: what are you talking about?	08:53
tybollt	yeah what AM I talking about :)	08:54
Stskeeps	tybollt: isn't that a intel atom processor? :P	08:54
digitalsurgeon	z500 doesnt seem a real name to me	08:54
digitalsurgeon	eldar is propbably drunk when he said that	08:54
tybollt	there was a meego product demog of a supposed Nookla product (next gen tablet) w/ meego	08:54
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tybollt	eldar drunk? A russian guy drunk?	08:55
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luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: charging certainly is a showstopper	08:55
tybollt	NEVAR HAPPENED	08:55
DocScrutinizer	luke-jr: for what? hostmode? nope	08:55
luke-jr	DocScrutinizer: for basic device usage	08:55
DocScrutinizer	sure	08:55
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: define 'error situation'	08:56
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: otherwise there's few I can do for you :-P	08:56
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: well, as in, if chip reports any errors, stop charging, all those kind of things..	08:56
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DocScrutinizer	THAT will happen automatically :-P	08:56
Stskeeps	ok	08:56
DocScrutinizer	ok, so would you feel happy this morning to announce working charging start of next week, on #magoo-meeting ?	08:57
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: you can always mention you're starting the work, i can't really touch the code for various reasons	08:57
DocScrutinizer	you don't have to, I just realized you're in a kind of a pinch, so I'll look into it and should deliver mnday	08:58
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rmrfchik	guys, what are you charging?	08:59
DocScrutinizer	last info I got from you was "not before October"	08:59
Stskeeps	:nod: well, it's honestly easier to discuss things when there's something tangible in the open that works	08:59
DocScrutinizer	that's what I offered to you, so smile!	08:59
Stskeeps	i am, but the coffee isn't working yet	09:00
Stskeeps	:P	09:00
DocScrutinizer	same here	09:00
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DocScrutinizer	(coffee)	09:00
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luke-jr	working yet?	09:00
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: fact is, SpeedEvil and me we both have charged battery successfully without bme	09:01
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Stskeeps	got graphs to prove it? :P	09:01
tybollt	pics or it didnt happen	09:01
DocScrutinizer	leme check, I think I had a logger running	09:01
DocScrutinizer	can do that til monday as well, to back up my claim the one-liner really works	09:02
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: ok, mr chairman, take it to meego-meeting, as I feel like having a nap. Tell me what you decided upon ("ok we could use that - no, forget it)	09:04
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: also what's the minimum requirement specs	09:05
DocScrutinizer	for the basic charger for meego	09:05
tybollt	cynical doc is ... cynical... :)	09:05
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DocScrutinizer	there's nothing cynic in me ATM	09:06
tybollt	'ATM' :P	09:06
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: personally i think it would be good to have, with graphics showing charging working, perhaps with graphing of temperatures, etc, you know, the works	09:17
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Stskeeps	like, a nice report on why this actually works	09:17
DocScrutinizer	sure	09:18
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DocScrutinizer	temp is a bit hard as there's actually no way to get cell temp	09:18
Stskeeps	really?	09:18
DocScrutinizer	nope	09:18
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DocScrutinizer	next best thing you can get is bq24150 chip die temperature	09:19
Stskeeps	what does DSME/BME use then? i know there's a GET_TEMPERATURE request or something	09:20
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: don't ask ME	09:36
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: generic question to everyone :)	09:37
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DocScrutinizer	thought you got better (re)sources	09:37
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hrw	morning	10:26
Stskeeps	morn	10:26
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dotblank	does anyone get a happy feeling when you realize you can delete code from a project?	10:40
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MiXu-_	Sure :)	10:41
sandst1	it's a purifying experience ^^	10:41
MiXu-_	If it means optimizing. If it's dropping features, then it's not so satisfying.	10:41
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dotblank	like you write a new class and makes a bunch of code obsolete :)	10:42
sandst1	dotblank: exactly :)	10:43
dotblank	although now im stuck on a bug :(	10:43
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ds3	anyone know if flashing the NAND image/rootfs fiasco image will result in dataloss or corruption of the installed apps database?	10:49
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tekojo	ds3: it will be wiped clean, so back-up before flash	10:50
tekojo	and if for some reason you would flash the emmc back-up to external card :)	10:51
ds3	I intend to, just trying to see if I will have to reinstall all apps to keep the dpkg database sane or not	10:52
ds3	it seems packages live in /home which appears to be on the emmc so the binaries will be there but /usr is on the NAND whichshould be wiped out	10:53
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dotblank	grrr... I blame grooveshark	10:54
dotblank	must be down or acting slow or under maintenance	10:54
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dotblank	yup	10:57
dotblank	thats the reason	10:57
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haj	ds3: whan you do backup you just make sure it backs up the application list..	10:58
haj	ds3: then after you flash you and you restore the backup, you can select "Restore Applications" in Application Manager.. then it installes the apps for you.. (not sure about ovistore stuff though?)	10:59
ds3	don't care about ovistore	10:59
ds3	and how does one backup the app list?	11:00
haj	use the backup-application... it's pretty obvious	11:01
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haj	new backup -> name -> select everything.. :)	11:02
ds3	oh... didn't know it remembers the applications; just thought it did dataonly	11:02
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DocScrutinizer	it remembers the app list and re-installs apps on restore (if the apps were isnatlled via appmanager, you need to handle things separately on your own which are installed via apt-get)	11:12
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DocScrutinizer	obviously it depends on particular app if any settings in ~/.app/* are kept or are deleted on re-install	11:14
MohammadAG51	wouldn't that fail unless they edited apt-get?	11:15
MohammadAG51	some users don't use the app manager	11:16
Corsac	they should :)	11:16
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ds3	hmmm	11:17
MohammadAG51	Corsac, tbh I'd edit mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of the app manager	11:17
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Tuukka	I have something draining my battery really fast, is there something i can do to identify the cause?	11:38
pronto	all that porn man, stop it	11:38
Corsac	try top	11:38
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Tuukka	Xorg -logf is taking 1,6%	11:39
Tuukka	cpu	11:39
Tuukka	is that normal?	11:40
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Bactius	might be something else	11:40
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Tuukka	The drain started to occur few days after installin queen beecon and powerkernel.	11:42
haj	Tuukka: seems normal	11:42
tybollt	I don't run any crazy whacky powerkernals!111 but I still get mad bat drainage.	11:43
jacekowski	8h isn't mad	11:43
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tybollt	My phone was fully charge this morning when I woke up ... an hour later at work it has drained 1/3d of the batt - WHIE ENTIRELY IDLE	11:44
Tuukka	Usually i have been been able to get almost 2 days of usage with moderate usage, now it drains within a day even if i don't do anything :// Guess i'll just reflash	11:45
frals_	most likely youve installed something which is misbehaving	11:46
Venemo	good morning guys	11:46
Venemo	I have a question	11:46
Tuukka	Haven't installed anything lately, just updates.	11:46
ShadowJK	or then it's the wlan bug	11:47
frals_	well updates can introduce bugs :p	11:47
Venemo	if I create a .deb package from my app, and wish to launch the app immediately in the post-install, how should I do that?	11:47
ShadowJK	tuukka: is it still alive?	11:47
Bactius	I have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error	11:47
Bactius	: you do not have access to the site	11:47
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Tuukka	ShadowJK, what do you mean? Is it working, yeah	11:48
obsidieth	hmm.	11:48
ShadowJK	are you trying to surf the web when connected to the mms apn?	11:48
obsidieth	my n900 doesnt actually get down to 250MHz, seems stuck at 500	11:48
obsidieth	im using the ideal kernel profile, and have removed the 'avoid frequencies'	11:48
Bactius	this occurs while on the mobile connection	11:48
ShadowJK	TuukkaÖ I mean have you rebooted since?	11:48
obsidieth	but it still wont scale down that far.	11:48
ShadowJK	obsidieth, connected charger or usb?	11:49
obsidieth	usb.	11:49
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Tuukka	ShadowJK, yeah a few times doesn't help	11:49
ShadowJK	Yeah it doesn't go below 500 when connected to usb	11:49
obsidieth	ah.	11:49
obsidieth	thats interesting.	11:49
obsidieth	oo	11:49
ShadowJK	Tuukka, facebook widget, 3g data active?	11:49
obsidieth	125.	11:49
obsidieth	very nice.	11:49
obsidieth	has anyone else been using such low frequencies, heh.	11:50
Tuukka	ShadowJK no facebook widget and no connections enabled	11:50
ShadowJK	Ok now that's strange :)	11:50
Tuukka	Well i'll uninstall some apps that might cause it and see if the problem disappears	11:51
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ShadowJK	What do you have installed?	11:51
Bactius	ShadowJK: It looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN	11:53
Bactius	(got a phonecall)	11:53
ShadowJK	hm :/	11:53
obsidieth	hmm. it seems to jump between 125 and 900 quite frequently. im wondering if one could lower the threshold that causes it to scale.	11:54
Tuukka	ShadowJK: Auto Disconnect, Quuen Beecon, Powerkernel + settings, 3g/2g/dual mode applet, ConnectNow, Easy debian, DCEW, + many more	11:56
ShadowJK	Well, consider that normall the CPU is at 0 MHz the majority of time, this eats the least power. Unless there's something that constantly requires small amounts of processing, it's most efficient to go up to fastest speed, complete the tasks that exist, and go back to sleep	11:56
ShadowJK	What's queen beecon?	11:57
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obsidieth	its basically sitting at 125 while im not on it, but occasionally spiking to 900	11:57
BCMM	ShadowJK: at 0 MHz?	11:57
obsidieth	im hoping like, since its only background tasks, it could maybe jump to 500 or 250 instead	11:57
obsidieth	of all the way to 900. save me a bit of juice.	11:58
ShadowJK	BCMM, yep, clocks off, voltage off	11:58
Tuukka	Hildon-satus-m uses constantly some cpu aswell could it be it? 0.6-1.3%	11:58
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obsidieth	hmm. what is that.	11:58
ShadowJK	Tuukka, I think hildon-status-menu is holding all the stuff that comes out when you tap on the clock	11:59
ShadowJK	Tuukka, 'ifconfig', do you see wlan0 or wmaster0 ?	11:59
Tuukka	ShadowJK, should it just idle when the status/power menu ain't in usage	12:00
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ShadowJK	Well it also draws signal strength and battery icon I think..	12:01
Tuukka	ShadowJK, Can't find those	12:02
ShadowJK	ok, that's good	12:02
ShadowJK	at 33% drain per hour the phone should be pretty warm I think?	12:03
obsidieth	i might have to run the battery monitor and see where im at.	12:03
obsidieth	today my phone barely lasted through my 9 to 5:p	12:03
jacekowski	obsidieth: that's kinda normal	12:05
obsidieth	mmmm.	12:06
obsidieth	im sure i can do better.	12:06
ShadowJK	mine lasted about 2-3 days per charge when using original battery and being mostly offline since I couldn't afford roaming :)	12:06
obsidieth	maybe its 3g chewing it up	12:07
obsidieth	i checked, not catorise.	12:07
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ShadowJK	3g can be very power consuming	12:09
ShadowJK	One packet every 5 seconds is enough to keep the 3g radio constantly active and empty battery is 4-6 hours or less	12:09
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jacekowski	well, i have problem with tmobile	12:12
jacekowski	i can't use internet unless i run ping in background	12:12
jacekowski	and and 10-15 pings come back with like 15s round trip time	12:12
jacekowski	and then it starts going down	12:12
Duckboot	jacekowski: Agressive disconnectpolicy.	12:12
Duckboot	?	12:13
jacekowski	well, that only happens if i don't have full signal	12:13
jacekowski	when i'm in colchester with full 3g signal it works fine	12:13
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mirf	it has arrived!	12:30
mirf	n900 in a box under my desk	12:30
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Surfa	hooway	12:31
vldcnst	unpack it!	12:31
Surfa	ray	12:31
mirf	problem is I'm at work so I can't open it yet ... noooo	12:31
vldcnst	toilet!	12:31
stonda	just do it	12:31
mirf	hahaha	12:31
mirf	lunch is in an hour and a half	12:31
mirf	if I get it out now I'll do nothgin for the rest of the day haha	12:31
Duckboot	mirf: Say to anyone that asks: I'm assigned to testing out the new company phones.	12:32
mirf	lol	12:35
mirf	could do	12:35
mirf	everyone knows thats' balls tho	12:35
mirf	I can wait	12:35
mirf	it's fine	12:35
mirf	tempted to get out and charging at least though	12:36
_0x47	hey ho! anyone has an idea why I can't get the ubuntu repository to work in maemo?	12:38
_0x47	always getting 404s on apt-get update	12:38
Appiah	well	12:38
_0x47	i assume they have armel packages tho	12:38
Appiah	do you have the exact error?	12:38
_0x47	dunno if so	12:38
_0x47	sec	12:38
Appiah	maybe just wrong path	12:38
adeus	no armel	12:39
achipa	_0x47: careful with that, if you install something that pulls in packages/libs that update the Maemo ones, it's super easy to hose your install	12:39
_0x47	http://pastebin.com/PH0tG4gD	12:40
_0x47	no no, talking about SDK	12:40
_0x47	and I'm trying to get the source	12:40
_0x47	@ achipa	12:40
_0x47	adeus: no armel?	12:41
_0x47	ok, that would explain the problem	12:41
Appiah	http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/	12:41
Appiah	no armel	12:41
Appiah	amd64 and i386	12:41
adeus	are those deb-src sources then?	12:41
Appiah	but there is ARM packages for ubuntu lucid I know	12:41
Appiah	https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel?text=	12:41
achipa	_0x47: but that's no moon... you don't need binary repos for the source	12:41
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_0x47	lucid is too new i guess, maybe it's worth a try, but it seems most packages are in the new source format	12:42
achipa	(as you can see it got the source ones just fine)	12:42
_0x47	which is not understood by the SDK	12:42
Appiah	well you can look around yourself	12:42
Appiah	thats all I know	12:42
_0x47	adeus: what do you mean?	12:42
Appiah	https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel	12:42
achipa	_0x47: there is not error - just do apt-get source packagename	12:42
_0x47	Appiah: ok thanks	12:42
Appiah	https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/armel <-- here you go ARM ubuntu packages	12:43
_0x47	achipa: i can't even do a apt-get update	12:43
adeus	remove the "deb http..." row	12:43
achipa	_0x47: but... you did. according to the pastebin	12:43
adeus	there is no armel pacakged versions there, as you can see from the link from Appiah	12:43
achipa	it's just the binary package list that failed, you got the source repos	12:43
_0x47	oh ok, let me try	12:44
adeus	that's actually something you could do as well..	12:44
adeus	I always apt-get source on the host	12:44
adeus	you/I	12:45
nomis	felipe`:	12:45
nomis	erf. Sorry.	12:45
_0x47	thanks all! it works! (with removed deb... line)	12:45
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Bactius	I have another problem since installing fmms. I can no longer surf the web due to the following error: you do not have access to the site	12:53
Bactius	this occurs while on the mobile connection	12:55
crashanddie	where does the error appear?	12:55
crashanddie	As if it were a webpage?	12:55
Bactius	It looks like I'm using standard APN but the connection behaves like if it is MMS APN	12:55
Bactius	I cant visit webpages due to the above error	12:56
crashanddie	Bactius: please answer the questions people ask you, in order to help you solve your issue	12:56
crashanddie	Bactius: where does the error message appear? Is it displayed as if it were a webpage, in the browser?	12:56
Bactius	yes. misunderstood the question	12:57
crashanddie	then it would appear it is indeed a misconfigured internet connection	12:57
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Bactius	I get it in both web browsers	12:57
loufoque	is there any cool game for N900 that uses the touch screen?	12:58
crashanddie	The easiest solution is to find someone who has the same network provider as yourself (same contract would be a plus, too), and copy their settings	12:58
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crashanddie	Bactius: if you didn't change anything, there is also a chance that you ran out of credit or something, and your provider has cut your connection	12:58
Stskeeps	loufoque: angry birds?	12:58
loufoque	is that all there is?	12:59
crashanddie	loufoque: I can give you a great idea if you want to write one	12:59
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Stskeeps	loufoque: marbles..	12:59
Stskeeps	:P	12:59
Bactius	crashanddie: i can chat here, send emails and so on but not open webpages through browser windows	13:00
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crashanddie	Bactius: do you have specific proxy settings?	13:01
loufoque	Bactius: does host resolution work properly?	13:01
sandst1	loufoque: Numpty Physics is pretty neet	13:02
crashanddie	neat*	13:02
Bactius	crashanddie: Yes. I got the connection settings sent again and got the message that the ones I had was identical with the new ones	13:02
crashanddie	hmm	13:03
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loufoque	sandst1: looks good indeed. Can't find it in the repos though	13:05
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Bactius	loufoque: Don't know what you mean	13:07
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loufoque	Bactius: can you resolve names into IP addresses?	13:08
MohammadAG	e-yes, ping	13:08
chem\|st	hell bad morning moan	13:08
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crashanddie	chem\|st: stfu, bitch	13:09
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chem\|st	loufoque: gweled eightyone "numpty physics(devel)" SPBBrainEvo Xploder need more?	13:12
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chem\|st	crashanddie: ty, thats what I needed... now I feel better!	13:13
crashanddie	chem\|st: anytime	13:13
sandst1	loufoque: should be in extras-devel at least	13:13
Bactius	MohammedAG: Yes i could	13:13
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Bactius	got to go. bbl	13:13
chem\|st	crashanddie: how are you anyway? need a bit of a towel?	13:13
crashanddie	towel	13:13
crashanddie	?	13:13
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MohammadAG	Bactius, huh?	13:13
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chem\|st	crashanddie: trout	13:14
MohammadAG	wtf	13:14
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chem\|st	MohammadAG: thats all my morning, wtf wth stfu "whats the matter with you"	13:15
MohammadAG	chem\|st,	13:16
MohammadAG	<crashanddie> chem\|st: stfu, bitch	13:16
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chem\|st	ok...	13:16
MohammadAG	:D	13:16
MohammadAG	chem\|st, you're that mod on tmo right?	13:17
chem\|st	and I wasn't even on tmo yet...	13:17
sandst1	loufoque: if not found there's always SVN https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=638	13:17
chem\|st	yeah.... someone died already?	13:17
obsidieth	hmm. this battery lfie is really poor.	13:17
MohammadAG	chem\|st, do you mind marking all users and hitting the Ban user button in modcp?	13:17
obsidieth	are wigets generally responsible for this.	13:17
chem\|st	modcp? gimme a link	13:18
chem\|st	ah modcp get it	13:18
chem\|st	MohammadAG: all users where?	13:18
MohammadAG	chem\|st, tmo doh...	13:18
chem\|st	hehe you mean all like in ALL tmo right ;)	13:18
crashanddie	chem\|st: ban these users: abill_uk, geneven, daperl. Thanks.	13:19
MohammadAG	http://forums.internettablettalk.com/modcp/ <-- modcp, I've never seen a mod ask about it...	13:19
MohammadAG	chem\|st, add CrashandDie to the list	13:19
Stskeeps	nah, geneven and daperl says sane things at times	13:19
Stskeeps	abill_uk should be duct-taped against an electric fence	13:20
MohammadAG	Stskeeps too	13:20
crashanddie	geneven is wanking twat	13:20
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, tbh, you torture people more than an electric fence	13:20
chem\|st	abill is currently discussed if we throw stones or yeah duct-taped against an electric fence	13:20
crashanddie	throwing stones won't server anything	13:20
MohammadAG	if in doubt, choose both	13:20
crashanddie	s/ver/ve/	13:21
infobot	crashanddie meant: throwing stones won't serve anything	13:21
chem\|st	MohammadAG: I will	13:21
crashanddie	chem\|st: I really don't see why those things need discussion for so long	13:21
chem\|st	crashanddie: will serve my pleasure...	13:21
tybollt	crashie: It might serve to pleasure the masochists :P	13:21
MohammadAG	if I was a mod I would've permbanned them	13:21
crashanddie	chem\|st: everytime the guy gets one reply, he is fueled for days. Isn't that enough for an admin to just step up and get rid of the guy?	13:22
MohammadAG	then again, I requested a mod drop on the site I mod	13:22
crashanddie	Everyone wants to do it, but Reggie doesn't want to take ownership of this kind of thing	13:22
crashanddie	MohammadAG: mods can't ban	13:22
MohammadAG	crashanddie, WHAT!?	13:22
crashanddie	we can ban spammers	13:23
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crashanddie	and we can give infraction points	13:23
MohammadAG	again	13:23
MohammadAG	WHAT?!	13:23
crashanddie	(which can lead to temporary bans)	13:23
MohammadAG	if mods can't ban, what can you do...	13:23
crashanddie	but there's no permbans AFAIK (maybe supermods have it)	13:23
crashanddie	well, you can soft-delete posts, edit, move, reorganise, etc	13:24
MohammadAG	I can permban and I'm a normal mod (different site)	13:24
crashanddie	yeah, but that's for power hungry people	13:24
MohammadAG	lol	13:24
loufoque	chem\|st: can't find SPBBrainEvo and Xploder	13:24
crashanddie	proof to point: you're an israeli powermonging bastard :P	13:24
MohammadAG	do you always PM reggie to ban spambots?	13:24
chem\|st	loufoque: ovi	13:24
MohammadAG	crashanddie, XD	13:24
crashanddie	MohammadAG: not at all, we can ban spammers	13:24
tybollt	becomming a mod - power hungry is implied crashie	13:25
crashanddie	MohammadAG: we can ban accounts that are less than 30 days old, and have less than 5 posts or something	13:25
crashanddie	chem\|st: what are the numbers?	13:25
MohammadAG	lame :)	13:25
crashanddie	tybollt: hey, I wasn't power hungry when I was a mod	13:25
MohammadAG	right... but you're power hungry here	13:25
MohammadAG	hence the +o :D	13:26
crashanddie	I'm not +o	13:26
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o MohammadAG		13:26
crashanddie	AAAARRGGH YOU COMMUNIST	13:26
*** crashanddie was kicked by MohammadAG (I'm a backstabber :))		13:26
*** MohammadAG sets mode: -o MohammadAG		13:26
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crashanddie	indeed, you are :)	13:26
MohammadAG	:D	13:26
crashanddie	wanna guess what?	13:27
*** ChanServ sets mode: +q !@188.247.82.181		13:27
crashanddie	so am i	13:27
crashanddie	:D	13:27
chem\|st	tybollt: is it? I started with my inner want to have brainstorm cleaned up and actualy being useful	13:27
*** ChanServ sets mode: -q !@188.247.82.181		13:27
* MohammadAG stabs crashanddie		13:27
* crashanddie backstabs MohammadAG		13:27
crashanddie	chem\|st: are you even a mod in brainstorm?	13:28
obsidieth	oh. man.i bet its the gps drinking all my power?	13:28
crashanddie	lmao	13:28
crashanddie	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUFH9NXBmAY&feature=related	13:28
chem\|st	crashanddie: something like that yeah, no I am not mod in brainstorm as I barely find time to handle it because of all those wnaking twats	13:29
MohammadAG	nah, GPS doesn't use the battery	13:29
crashanddie	there's a vuvuzela button	13:29
MohammadAG	it rapes it	13:29
crashanddie	you can listen to the nice sound of vuvuzela's while watching your movie	13:29
crashanddie	excellent	13:29
MohammadAG	ROFL	13:29
* RST38h stretches		13:29
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RST38h	Soooooo... What is new and exciting?	13:29
MohammadAG	RST38h, the world ended	13:30
Appiah	everything!	13:30
MohammadAG	^see?	13:30
chem\|st	crashanddie: I will get back to brainstorm when I get controls in the brainstorm system everything else is just useless	13:30
RST38h	MohammadAG: Cool, so that was what that button did...	13:30
crashanddie	chem\|st: hey, we're not useless!	13:30
crashanddie	chem\|st: don't say "everything else"	13:30
MohammadAG	RST38h, how's afterlife?	13:30
MohammadAG	crashanddie, they're not useless, you are	13:30
crashanddie	:(	13:30
MohammadAG	aww	13:30
crashanddie	:'(	13:30
* MohammadAG sees an opportunity		13:31
RST38h	MohammadAG: Ah, splendid, eating/sleeping/screwing all the time	13:31
* MohammadAG stabs crashanddie again		13:31
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chem\|st	crashanddie: I can moderate tmo-brainstorm as much as I want as long as I cannot moderate the maemo brainstorm it is glue on a wet surface	13:31
chem\|st	so anything useless to add?	13:31
MohammadAG	why are there two brainstorm sections?	13:31
chem\|st	o_O	13:32
RST38h	chem\|st: Add some cool brainstorms	13:32
chem\|st	MohammadAG: where?	13:32
psycho_oreos	~tmo	13:32
infobot	tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes	13:32
RST38h	chem\|st: Like, a brainstorm to create a religion around Maemo	13:32
MohammadAG	chem\|st, the tmo one, and the normal one	13:32
crashanddie	chem\|st: I know that, I was just saying don't say "everything else is useless", cuz that kinda includes 99.9% of the world :)	13:32
MohammadAG	RST38h, that doesn't seem half bad	13:32
crashanddie	chem\|st: you know, joke, pun, funny	13:32
RST38h	chem\|st: Or a brainstorm to create a mascot	13:32
crashanddie	RST38h: don't you fecking go there again	13:32
chem\|st	RST38h: I did add alot and one seems to get the most exciting program onto n900 as the upstream project directly got involved	13:33
crashanddie	the mascot was probably the worst idea we've ever had	13:33
crashanddie	anyway, I'm out, 'later	13:33
* MohammadAG suggests a beaten penguin with bruises and the like		13:33
MohammadAG	or a penguin with a javelin	13:33
MohammadAG	cya crashanddie	13:33
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chem\|st	MohammadAG: because someone wanted it like that... wasn't me	13:37
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chem\|st	the discussion at brainstorm was moved to tmo and the brainstorm discussion plugin disabled	13:37
chem\|st	crashanddie: everything else is useless to put on to brainstorm system, what helps a philipine's as on top of brainstorm system?	13:39
crashanddie	damn, this is bad http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/06/24/toyotas-chief-test-driver-dies-in-lfa-crash/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GTspirit+%28GTspirit%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher	13:39
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chem\|st	s/as/ass/	13:40
infobot	chem\|st meant: crasshanddie: everything else is useless to put on to brainstorm system, what helps a philipine's as on top of brainstorm system?	13:40
chem\|st	+??	13:40
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Nervengift	is there an official or unofficial i386(Intel Atom)-build of maemo? i'd like to try it in virtualbox before buying N900	13:45
MiXu-_	Nervengift: Scratchbox for linux	13:45
nidO	http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners	13:46
MiXu-_	It gives you an idea	13:46
Nervengift	thx	13:46
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MiXu-_	But it's not complete, obviously.	13:46
psycho_oreos	probably also physically test drive one as well	13:46
nidO	wouldnt the easiest way to try maemo before buying an n900 be to just walk into a shop and use one?	13:46
Nervengift	i did so but i'd like to take a closer look	13:47
MiXu-_	HC geeks don't go to physical shops!	13:47
MohammadAG	hmm	13:48
psycho_oreos	HC as in hardcore?	13:48
MohammadAG	is purging hildon-desktop a good idea?	13:48
psycho_oreos	probably not	13:48
MiXu-_	psycho_oreos: yes	13:48
MohammadAG	meh, need to get rid of the settings	13:48
Kleggas	you mean people should "try out" the OS before buying a phone? I must have failed badly when deciding to go n900 then..... for me it was: Looks good, has wide screen with higher ress than other phones, has keyboard and most important is running Linux - I will take 2x, for me and wife...	13:49
psycho_oreos	MiXu-_, I'd say hard core geeks get N900 anyway, its far more unrestrictive than android powered phones.. and it runs linux as well	13:49
MiXu-_	yup	13:50
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psycho_oreos	though critics say maemo 5 is an unfinished masterpiece, I tend to somewhat agree.. running maemo inside scratchbox isn't going to help you much understanding knowing that the actual toy itself is more fun in which you can do fancy things	13:51
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_0x47	me again! :) any idea how to get that package? http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/dblatex I can't get it through apt-get with the extras-devel and nokia binaries enabled...	13:54
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_0x47	does that mean nobody's here or nobody has got an idea? :/	13:59
Stskeeps	probably need to build it yourslf	14:01
_0x47	no way, why are there packets in the repository that rely on this package but the package itself is not available?	14:02
_0x47	that doesn't make much sense to me	14:03
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aboyer	hi, gstreamer on n900 question: is the ffmpegcolorspace element accelerated by the DSP on the n900? or is all the conversion code run on the cpu?	14:04
BCMM	Kleggas: i went into a shop and asked politely if i could have a go on the n900 keyboard and touchscreen to see how usable they were	14:06
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borco	hi	14:09
chem\|st	_0x47: is a devel app depending?	14:09
loufoque	BCMM: and your verdict?	14:09
loufoque	not very?	14:09
BCMM	loufoque: i liked them...	14:10
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borco	any ideas when the results of the nokia n900 survey will be published and where?	14:10
BCMM	loufoque: i was trying to find out whether i could reliably hit the keys on the keyboard, and guess whether i'd eventually be able to use it without looking	14:10
chem\|st	borco: survey?	14:10
BCMM	and i guessed correctly that i could	14:10
borco	http://maemo.nokia.com/survey/	14:11
chem\|st	borco: ehrm never anywhere I guess	14:11
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borco	chem\|st: i have received an e-mail that i have won one of those. how can i check if the e-mail was legit and not a scam?	14:12
Kleggas	BCMM: That is what one should go and try out regardless of the OS running. I can say I did NOT do that, and was happy I found a perfect fit for myself when I got home and tried it out for first time, after having bought it. However I have an HP iPaq from work, and even that tiny tiny keyboard I learned to use after a while so I knew that the bigger keys on N900 would so not be a problem :)	14:12
chem\|st	borco: one of those what?	14:13
_0x47	chem\|st: where to find that out? it was a few days ago tho when the last change happened	14:13
borco	chem\|st: one of the n900 give-aways.	14:13
Kleggas	the touchscreen however was something I could not have guessed how it would be, but Im very happy with it even if I didnt try it out	14:13
chem\|st	borco: dont know	14:13
_0x47	chem\|st: http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-pkg/dblatex	14:14
_0x47	1st june	14:14
chem\|st	_0x47: which program depends ond dblatex?	14:14
_0x47	cdbs	14:15
SpeedEvil	borco: I offer a service to scren incoming packages, to determine if it's a real n900 or not.	14:15
_0x47	it's a build dependency	14:15
borco	SpeedEvil: what do you mean?	14:15
SpeedEvil	borco: Realistically - go for it - unless they require you to pay for shipping.	14:16
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SpeedEvil	borco: Oh	14:16
SpeedEvil	borco: Sorry - nvm	14:16
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SpeedEvil	borco: I misread.	14:16
SpeedEvil	borco: I always assumed the survey (that I took, and am taking part in) was completely internal to nokia, and would never be published.	14:17
SpeedEvil	Indeed, I would be astonished if it was.	14:17
borco	SpeedEvil: no problem. but i received that e-mail and now i can only ask myself when will i receive my shiny n900 :-)	14:17
SpeedEvil	(it would be good, but I'd still be astonished)	14:17
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chem\|st	_0x47: thats not the only dependencie that package misses out on...	14:17
_0x47	chem\|st: i sorted out all others, what do you mean?	14:18
SpeedEvil	borco: Sorry - I'm missing this again - why were you supposed to recieve a n900? Is this directly related to the survey?	14:18
_0x47	and why is the older version in the repos then?	14:18
_0x47	i removed the python2.5 dependency in hope 2.4 would be fine	14:18
borco	SpeedEvil: yes. the survey stated that people completing the survey could win one of the 50 n900 that were given away	14:18
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chem\|st	the cdbs package in testing has missing dependencies too	14:18
SpeedEvil	borco: Ah - right.	14:19
SpeedEvil	borco: have you had an email that you've won then?	14:19
borco	SpeedEvil: to my surprise, i receive an e-mail stating that i'm one of the lucky winners ...	14:19
SpeedEvil	Ah	14:19
SpeedEvil	borco: Well - follow the instructions.	14:19
borco	SpeedEvil: it's from Qt.Comments@nokia.com.	14:19
_0x47	chem\|st: oh lol, the how would I create another one with missing dependencies? I just need it for building.	14:19
borco	SpeedEvil: just wanted to be sure it is legit :)	14:19
SpeedEvil	borco: I have had a (smaller) reward from a nokia survey, so I have no inherent reason to doubt it.	14:20
_0x47	get any deb for armel from somewhere?	14:20
chem\|st	_0x47: "in the repos" we are talking about testing and devel so there is no "why is there something not working in this repo?"	14:20
borco	SpeedEvil: yep, the win is quite substantial. i normally never win ...	14:20
chem\|st	anything I mean	14:21
SpeedEvil	borco: Congratulations then.	14:21
chem\|st	borco: have fun with it ;)	14:21
_0x47	chem\|st: sure, I just meant why there is a package that you theoretically couldn't create? I can't create it locally, so there is no way to get a .deb out of it	14:21
frals_	borco: check the email header, should be enough	14:21
frals_	headers*	14:21
SpeedEvil	borco: It does seem odd to give away n900s for a questionaire about the n900.	14:21
_0x47	chem\|st: so I guess someone just got binaries from somewhere and compiled it with them	14:22
SpeedEvil	But - they get to decide I guess.	14:22
mirf	omg	14:24
mirf	xterm	14:24
mirf	right there in apps	14:24
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SpeedEvil	:)	14:24
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Kleggas	mirf: Congratulations on your newly bought (today?) n900? :)	14:25
SpeedEvil	mirf: Enable 'extras' repository in the application manager, install 'rootsh' - and then you just type 'root' in xterm to get root	14:25
chem\|st	well sources on maemo are what the autobuilder got for building...	14:25
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mirf	:D	14:26
chem\|st	I mean the realated sourcce to a already build binary	14:26
mirf	thanks dudes	14:26
chem\|st	mirf: welcome to the other side	14:27
mirf	haha	14:27
mirf	just waiting for it to charge then I'm gonna have fun	14:27
chem\|st	want a cookie?	14:27
sx0n	hmm. http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/insiders-ownership	14:27
Kleggas	there are cookies for n900 users?	14:28
chem\|st	mirf: LOL, it is precharge so you don't need to do it	14:28
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mirf	hmm	14:28
mirf	well it's charging now	14:28
chem\|st	mirf: the manual says so	14:28
mirf	first thing I gotta so is put vnc on it	14:28
mirf	says it's partially precharges	14:28
mirf	*d	14:28
chem\|st	yep	14:29
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Kleggas	ssh server is a good thing too, if you want to access it from the puter	14:30
chem\|st	mirf: your battery time might be a bit short in the first few days, scared me of as a friend visiting me who bought it the same day did not have that	14:30
Kleggas	server on n900, that is	14:30
SpeedEvil	For those of us in the UK. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/net-neutrality/ - ofcom consultation about net neutrality. Please respond if you have concrete points to make.	14:30
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mirf	:)	14:31
mirf	basically treat it like a full blown linux box right?	14:31
Kleggas	battery life increased very noticable for me when I removed that facebook widget ;)	14:31
mirf	f__k yeah	14:31
mirf	oh yeah screw facebook	14:31
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Kleggas	if it only had a "refresh every XX hours" option :p	14:31
chem\|st	mirf: exactly	14:31
Ikarus	heh	14:32
SpeedEvil	mirf: I was really surprised around 3 months in, when my pocket linux box rang.	14:32
chem\|st	Kleggas: nope	14:32
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Macer	SpeedEvil: haha	14:33
Ikarus	you can also blow through the battery in under three hours with mobile browsing, IRCing, etc on the train while continously switching between 2 and 3 G :)	14:33
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Macer	im just happy it has a good skype integration	14:34
chem\|st	Ikarus: Kleggas you might want to write up a guide "Battery drain for Dummies"	14:34
SpeedEvil	Or under 1.5 hours if playing loud audio, while recording video, and acting as a mobile hotspot	14:34
Macer	my g1 had that crappy call forwarding skype	14:34
chem\|st	Macer: good == poor?	14:34
Kleggas	I started using it as a "ringing" device from day one, but through skype. I wasn't surprised at all until the day skype was turned off, and it rang	14:34
Macer	chem\|st: i havent had a problem using skype	14:34
SpeedEvil	chem\|st: I'm about to write something along those lines.	14:34
chem\|st	Macer: yeah I can text and call but thats it for now	14:35
Macer	even over 3G	14:35
loufoque	Macer: what has good skype integration?	14:35
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Macer	er... maemo5?	14:35
Macer	:)	14:35
Macer	beats androids to say the least	14:35
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Macer	the gtalk video is a little lacking	14:35
Macer	doesnt seem to work that well but i havent tested it much	14:36
chem\|st	SpeedEvil: btw anything new at the hotspot front? some free tool on it's way?	14:36
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SpeedEvil	chem\|st: there is 'mobilehotspot'	14:36
Kleggas	even the camera works flawless over 3g, or atleast where I live in the centre of 3g heaven close to several large markets	14:36
SpeedEvil	chem\|st: I haven't used it	14:36
loufoque	Macer: video is useless (and I say that working for the world leader in videoconferencing)	14:36
SpeedEvil	loufoque: Video is not useless.	14:36
Macer	Kleggas: im in chicago	14:36
chem\|st	SpeedEvil: didn't it need a new kernel?	14:36
SpeedEvil	loufoque: For some things - it's very useful.	14:36
Macer	there is quite a bit of coverage here heh	14:36
loufoque	text > voice > video	14:37
pigeon	i've been using mobilehotspot, works ok.	14:37
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chem\|st	Kleggas: no video for me yet	14:37
SpeedEvil	loufoque: For example - being able to show someone a bit of furniture that you're contemplating buying	14:37
Macer	loufoque: not really	14:37
SpeedEvil	chem\|st: yes - so?	14:37
loufoque	SpeedEvil: take a picture and send it	14:37
Macer	i am divorced and my son stays with his mother 3 months out the year	14:37
loufoque	via email or mms	14:37
Macer	so video chatting is great	14:38
Macer	:)	14:38
loufoque	Macer: get a new son	14:38
DrGrov	Good damn day to you all!	14:38
Kleggas	hahah	14:38
Macer	loufoque: hahaha	14:38
Macer	let me ebay one	14:38
chem\|st	Kleggas: with windows skype versions no video yet, with linux (latest beta) I get the video button but nothing happens	14:38
DrGrov	Now the damn drinking starts in order to celebrate vacation starting	14:38
Macer	im sure china has them cheap	14:38
DrGrov	I gotta find a GOOD game for the N900 in order to stand my mother over midsummer	14:39
DrGrov	Any suggestions?	14:39
Kleggas	chem\|st: you mean, when you try to use videochat on your n900 with someone sitting on windows/linux skype?	14:39
chem\|st	Kleggas: what version is the other end skype?	14:39
chem\|st	yeah	14:39
Kleggas	chem\|st: oh, well. I only tried videochat with my bro who also runs it on his n900.....	14:40
chem\|st	...	14:40
Wolfie	RST38h: angry birds	14:40
Kleggas	or I think he was on his phone those times...	14:40
chem\|st	Kleggas: that works flawless, but where is my video-conference?	14:41
Kleggas	... someone ate it, perhaps....	14:41
chem\|st	grml	14:41
chem\|st	later...	14:41
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pupnik	loufoque: i think i understand text > voice > video but what context are do you mean?	14:43
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mirf	find a bench and play phone	14:50
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Kleggas	mirf: play "how"?	14:52
Kleggas	:)	14:52
mirf	dunno	14:53
mirf	we'll see	14:53
mirf	I've unlimited web so the world is my oister I guess	14:53
Kleggas	mirf: I saw an app with a description something like "Measures how hard you throw your n900"... that kind of playing? I wonder how you would be able to see the results after breaking it :p	14:53
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mirf	no way	14:53
mirf	I'm not playing that game	14:53
Kleggas	heheh	14:53
crs	Hi, how can I add extra weather stations to omweather? It does not have my city.	14:54
pigeon	does anyone know how much video ram is there on the n900?	14:56
FauxFaux	Wikipedia does.	14:56
FauxFaux	Oh, it doesn't.	14:56
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pigeon	or maybe better phased, texture memory for gles	14:56
pexi	n95 has the fastest gpu	14:56
pexi	:)	14:57
Kleggas	it does?	14:57
pexi	so i've read	14:57
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pexi	but how to really compare	14:57
chadi	if the meego platform isn't fully open source, how is the community going to port it to the N900?	14:57
pexi	there is already a meego but not gui	14:57
Kleggas	chadi: isn't there allready a n900 version of it? Its being tested on n900	14:58
pigeon	n900 isn't fully open source anyway is it...	14:58
pexi	so	14:58
pexi	its matter of time	14:58
Corsac	well, not only time	14:58
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chadi	so Nokia will provide a N900 (ARM) build of Meego, not the community, right?	14:58
pexi	you can even try it just installing meego to usb-stick	14:58
pexi	and running it from there	14:58
chadi	oh and I mean the GUI part	14:59
Kleggas	chadi: Nokia will not support it by pushing it out to all n900 devices, but you will be able to install it manually, or that is the latest I read few weeks ago	14:59
Kleggas	chadi: but Im not 100% sure where I read it, so dont go entirely on my words	15:00
chadi	so in other words, it will not be officially supprted OTA, but it will be possible to flash it or dual boot it	15:00
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Kleggas	chadi: thats what I understood	15:00
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chadi	yea, thank you for the info...	15:01
Stskeeps	chadi: there is a meego.com team that has a bunch of subcontractors and nokia employees working on the hardware adaptation for n900. nokia also provides (unsupported) closed source repository which contains 3d drivers and other closed bits for n900 owners.	15:01
Stskeeps	MeeGo Core + Handset UX + n900 hardware adaptation (open and closed) = a n900 handset image	15:01
chadi	oh, cool	15:01
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tybollt	hmm	15:09
tybollt	white spots - cause for warranty repair? :-o	15:10
tybollt	s/white/bright/	15:10
infobot	tybollt meant: bright spots - cause for warranty repair? :-o	15:10
chem\|st	chadi: no offical upgrade that means so no OTA upgrade and no support	15:12
chadi	yea	15:12
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chem\|st	but thats fine with me, as long as all drivers are available	15:13
chadi	sure, ... and it's as if nokia provides weekly updates OTA :P	15:13
chem\|st	right :)	15:14
chadi	by the way, were you able to do injection?	15:14
chem\|st	has anyone thought of meego entertainment and server yet?	15:14
Macer	hm	15:15
obsidieth	chadi i did a litle googling, im not sure you vcan	15:15
chem\|st	sry maemo I mean	15:15
chadi	the thread about WEP on talk.maemo.org did not reach any solution concerning injection..	15:15
obsidieth	there sa video on youtube of someone using aircrack. maybe not injeting.	15:16
chadi	yeah, the WPA2 crack	15:16
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chadi	yesterday, i captured about 65k IVs through an active client on the network, and the battery went from about 70% to 10% in about 30 minutes :P	15:19
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timeless_mbp	mirf: oyster fwiw :)	15:23
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lcuk	has anyone seen my postit notes	15:24
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E0x	what is the time that warranty cover ?	15:25
chem\|st	lcuk: yeah someone was sticking them onto the postman's back	15:25
E0x	i check the warranty in the nokia site but i dont understand what say me	15:25
chem\|st	E0x: warranty cover is related to the country you are in	15:25
lcuk	thanks chem\|st !	15:25
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chem\|st	lcuk: you are welcome	15:25
E0x	chem\|st: well i not buy my self the phone , was buyed in USA	15:26
E0x	and give to me	15:26
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_0x47	ok price-question: What would you do if all dependencies are given and program doesn't build in the SDK, but builds on my ubuntu machine?	15:28
chem\|st	then USA warranty applies and thats 1 year afaik	15:28
E0x	chem\|st: when i check in the page say this:......appears to be within the initial warranty period. This warranty verification covers the following 10 days.	15:28
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E0x	f you send your device in for repair after 10 days, please include a copy of the proof of purchase with your device to confirm that your unit is within the warranty period.	15:28
_0x47	http://pastebin.com/zje7E8q4	15:28
MohammadAG	grr, can't find any damn list with sdl keys	15:28
E0x	if i send the device after 10 day of buy it i need the proof the buy ?	15:29
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alterego	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/24/iphone4_retail/	15:29
crashanddie	E0x: yes, you may also need some english lessons	15:29
MohammadAG	oh, found one	15:29
E0x	crashanddie: yes english is not my native language	15:29
crashanddie	why is that always the first excuse people use?	15:30
E0x	because is the true maybe ?	15:30
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Kleggas	:D	15:30
chem\|st	E0x: lol you tried the warranty check?	15:30
E0x	i never go to a school to learn english	15:30
E0x	chem\|st: yes	15:30
Kleggas	crashanddie: not all countries have english classes in school :)	15:31
chem\|st	E0x: thats just verifying that it is covered "at least" the next then days	15:31
chem\|st	if you check in ten days it will tell the same I think	15:31
crashanddie	Kleggas: I didn't learn my English at school either ;)	15:32
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chem\|st	Kleggas: me neither	15:32
Kleggas	crashanddie: I did, and much more outside :p	15:32
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E0x	Kleggas: we have here but is a s**t and you don't learn anything , you need go to a specialized school for really learn	15:32
E0x	chem\|st: hehehe	15:33
E0x	ok	15:33
E0x	thx	15:33
chem\|st	you learn english by talking and thats the problem in most schools, they do not talk enough	15:33
E0x	i can't talk english	15:34
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chem\|st	or languages in general	15:34
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n900-1	hey guys	15:34
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E0x	here is easy learn english if you want because we have a lot of influence of USA	15:35
chem\|st	E0x: I was able to write 2k words essays but wasn't able to have a descent conversation	15:35
E0x	tv,culture,etc	15:35
Kleggas	chem\|st: true. I have several relatives at the balcan area, they all had english for several years in school and none of them knows one single word english.... What draws my attention more is those who are grown up in countries like Sweden (where Im from) where you have really good teaching in school, everywhere you are exposed to english, and we have amongst highest amount of computers per family, meaning internet = 100% english, and sti	15:36
Kleggas	hear people here that really do not know the language....	15:36
chem\|st	E0x: watching english movies/tv and such is good as you get used to the sound	15:36
Kleggas	chem\|st: now THAT is something to be afraid of :D	15:36
chem\|st	?	15:37
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MohammadAG	question, what's the best key to map 'quit' to if there's no escape button	15:37
chem\|st	even if you are not able to speak yet by listening to it you learn to understand it properly	15:37
Kleggas	chem\|st: I was just trying to point out that some are not exposed to english in a way that teaches them, while others are and yet don't learn.... nvm :p	15:38
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chem\|st	ah that you mean, sure but that's the same over here, they are loosing it as english words get mixed up with local language in the wrong way	15:39
chem\|st	so they are exposed but with the wrong relation	15:40
Kleggas	:)	15:40
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achipa	MohammadAG: proxymity sensor	15:40
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chem\|st	kids listen to music about deep penetration and like the song, when you tell them it is about rippin of your ass and abuse them, they are shocked...	15:41
Kleggas	lol	15:42
MohammadAG	achipa, lol, I doubt SDL supports that :D	15:42
chem\|st	like a 14 year old girl likes ayo technology in the milow remake, she does not know what this song is about and I like to keep it that way for now (poor soul)	15:43
MohammadAG	I tried SDLK_EQUALS, but apparently that's either not =, or the = on the N900 is not a regular SDLK_EQUALS	15:43
achipa	chem\|st: oh, you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDCb44O6Euo	15:45
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chem\|st	achipa: yeap	15:47
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MohammadAG	lol http://maemo.org/packages/view/notmynokia/	16:11
obsidieth	whats mynokia?	16:12
SpeedEvil	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10366	16:13
povbot	Bug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user	16:13
MohammadAG	Umm, X-Fade ping?	16:13
SpeedEvil	...	16:13
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MohammadAG	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt failed before it even started	16:14
SpeedEvil	my nokia is a service you are auto-subscribed to in many countries.	16:14
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MohammadAG	In some countries, unsbuscribing fails to do anything except take some off your credit	16:14
kW	Does anybody know there the camera application tries to store images when the $MYDOCSDIR directory changed? The camera application seems to report "Memory not accessible. Unable to save content." without cause.	16:15
SpeedEvil	What do you mena by $MYDOCS	16:15
SpeedEvil	It saves on the MMC if mydocs is mounted mass storage	16:16
jacekowski	i think that was problem with permissions	16:17
MohammadAG	<SpeedEvil> What do you mena by $MYDOCS	16:17
MohammadAG	$MYDOCSDIR, an env variable	16:17
MohammadAG	echo $MYDOCSDIR on the N900	16:17
Venemo	hi	16:18
Venemo	could anyone help me with this build log, please?	16:18
Venemo	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sticky-notes_0.1.2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt	16:18
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR	16:18
MohammadAG	/home/user/MyDocs	16:18
ptl	ugly prompt :P	16:18
ptl	[user@n900 user]% echo $MYDOCSDIR	16:18
MohammadAG	Venemo, add libqt4-dev to build-depends in debian/control	16:18
Venemo	oh	16:18
Venemo	what else?	16:19
MohammadAG	Nokia-N900:~# hostname ptl-sucks	16:19
MohammadAG	ptl-sucks:~# echo $MYDOCSDIR	16:19
MohammadAG	/home/user/MyDocs	16:19
ptl	lol	16:19
MohammadAG	Venemo, redo the dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S command and upload it	16:19
Venemo	MohammadAG: is there a way to determine what other stuff should I add to it?	16:19
ptl	export PS1='\e[93m[\e[96m\u\e[92m@\e[96mn900 \e[92m\W\033[93m\]\033[95m%\e[0m '	16:19
MohammadAG	Venemo, get a clean scratchbox install and try to build it :)	16:20
Venemo	MohammadAG: well, that is out of my reach ATM	16:20
Venemo	I use MADDE	16:20
MohammadAG	bleh	16:21
Venemo	MohammadAG: there is no build-depends section in the control file, just a plain depends section whose content is this:	16:21
Venemo	Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}	16:21
MohammadAG	check the source line	16:21
MohammadAG	should be a paragraph above it	16:21
Venemo	the file begins with	16:21
Venemo	Source: sticky-notes	16:21
MohammadAG	then?	16:21
Venemo	Source: sticky-notes	16:22
Venemo	Section: user/Desktop	16:22
Venemo	Priority: extra	16:22
Venemo	Maintainer: Timur Kristóf (Venemo) <venemo@msn.com>	16:22
Venemo	Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5)	16:22
Venemo	Standards-Version: 3.7.3	16:22
Venemo	Homepage: - (not yet)	16:22
Venemo	Package: sticky-notes	16:22
Venemo	Architecture: armel	16:22
Venemo	Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}	16:22
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Venemo	XB-Maemo-Display-Name: Sticky Notes	16:22
ham5	probly blows up	16:22
Venemo	then Description and XB-Maemo-Icon-26	16:22
MohammadAG	~pastebin	16:22
infobot	[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.	16:22
TigerTael	Uhh, come someone tell me why 'gTranslate' is always telling me to 'Please input valid text!'?	16:22
Venemo	MohammadAG: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/eve-watcher/trunk/poc/sticky-notes/sticky-notes/debian/control	16:22
TigerTael	Is there some kind of fix?	16:22
andre__	TigerTael, well, would help to describe what you did before :-P	16:23
MohammadAG	Veggen, Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) <--	16:23
MohammadAG	err	16:23
Venemo	oh	16:23
MohammadAG	Venemo ^, sorry Veggen	16:23
TigerTael	andre__, used the application?	16:23
Venemo	MohammadAG: errr... i accidentally left case-sensitivity on when I searched	16:23
MohammadAG	:)	16:23
andre__	TigerTael: like starting it and not opening any file and getting that error message straight after start?	16:23
TigerTael	andre__, no, you input the text on either the right or left field and press translate...	16:24
Stskeeps	w00t	16:24
Stskeeps	er, wrong button	16:24
MohammadAG	lol	16:24
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Venemo	MohammadAG: is this OK?	16:24
andre__	TigerTael: without providing clear steps: No, can't help	16:24
lcuk	Stskeeps, you have a dedicate w00t button!	16:25
Venemo	Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5) libqt4-dev (>=4.6) mce-dev hildon-notify-dev	16:25
MohammadAG	TigerTael, broken here too, Google changed there api I guess	16:25
Venemo	MohammadAG: should I add versions to mce-dev and hildon-notify-dev, too?	16:25
TigerTael	andre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate.	16:25
TigerTael	Jesus.	16:25
MohammadAG	Venemo, don't see why you need to version libqt4-dev since it's 4.6.2 by default	16:25
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MohammadAG	Venemo, no, take out the version for libqt4-dev :)	16:25
Venemo	MohammadAG: okay	16:25
Venemo	MohammadAG: the others?	16:25
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MohammadAG	keep them as they are	16:26
MohammadAG	umm	16:26
MohammadAG	wait	16:26
MohammadAG	add commas, didn't notice that	16:26
MohammadAG	Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, mce-dev, hildon-notify-dev	16:26
N900rulz	URGENT REQUEST ***** where (or how) can I on my N900 follow live TEXT play by play of the world cup games? The FIFA one doesn't work. I dont want video, i want text play by play. Sorry I'm driving right now cant research on google. HELP !	16:26
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Termana	Can't do googling?	16:27
jacekowski	N900rulz: don't text while driving	16:27
Termana	Yet your DRIVING AND IRCING	16:27
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ManoftheSea	seems dangerous. Text play-by-play? Like, a twitter feed?	16:27
lcuk	N900rulz, IRC whilst driving?	16:27
ManoftheSea	there should be an IRC channel for that.	16:27
Stskeeps	N900rulz: why are you always driving and ircing?	16:28
andre__	N900rulz: I've heard that IRC is text too, just like Google. But let me quickly google if that's really true...	16:28
lcuk	also, reading text stream WHILST DRIVING?	16:28
lcuk	N900rulz, ##world-cup	16:28
Venemo	MohammadAG: okay, thanks	16:28
N900rulz	SPARE ME THE MORALIZING PLEASE...TEXTING ON IRC IS EASY....PLEASE HELP !!!	16:28
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Venemo	MohammadAG: if the app uses gconf, then gconf-dev and so on?	16:28
lcuk	N900rulz, then join ##world-cup	16:28
MohammadAG	caps is more dangerous while driving	16:28
lcuk	it has running text of everything	16:28
andre__	N900rulz: so Google is more complicated? I'm impressed about your typing skills then. ;-)	16:28
TigerTael	andre__, 1. Open application 2. Select language to translate from 3. Select language to translate to 4. Enter text in target field 5. press translate.	16:28
N900rulz	lcuk: what network they on?	16:28
tybollt	N900rulz: on this server	16:29
lcuk	this one	16:29
tybollt	N900rulz: join me there we're reporting for ya right now	16:29
MohammadAG	Venemo, no, the -dev packages contain headers, .h files, if the app #include(s) them then you need them in build-depends	16:29
ptl	I also type on IRC while driving sometimes	16:29
N900rulz	ok....thanks	16:29
andre__	I sometimes read the newspaper while driving a car. Guess I'm oldschool.	16:29
lcuk	i can barely change radio station let along have a conversation	16:29
MohammadAG	andre__, I guess the API was changed, it was working for me before	16:29
lcuk	dont you also need 2 hands to type on n900	16:30
lcuk	or has he got proto vkb?	16:30
N900rulz	GUYS DONT WORRY ... I AM A MASTER AT MULTITASKING ....BUT GOOGLING AND RESEARCHING IS HARDER WHEN DRIVING	16:30
MohammadAG	no, I can type with one hand	16:30
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lcuk	N900rulz, you mean you are a lazy liar?	16:30
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N900rulz	IRC IS SIMPLE AND EASY....JUST LIKE TEXTING....NO WORRIES	16:30
Stskeeps	stop using caps	16:31
Stskeeps	:P	16:31
MohammadAG	+1 on that	16:31
lcuk	stop using irc	16:31
Termana	I think what he is really trying to say is that he is a big moron	16:31
ptl	doesn't caps lock work when driving?	16:31
jacekowski	N900rulz: i hope when you die you don't hurt anybody	16:31
lcuk	GAN900, technical input please - can you happily use n900 with one hand and type that fast?	16:31
MohammadAG	LOL	16:31
jacekowski	N900rulz: and you will die in lot of pain	16:31
jacekowski	lcuk: he's probably holding it with both hands	16:31
MohammadAG	lcuk, I get 30WPM with one hand	16:31
N900rulz	why are u guys so mean???? there is nobody here on the road....its quiet streets....no worries	16:32
Termana	no worries. Oops you hit that old lady	16:32
lcuk	N900rulz, common sense	16:32
ptl	it's fun to be mean.... and I don't know the answer	16:32
Termana	Meow	16:32
Termana	there goes the cat	16:32
andre__	N900rulz: Maybe it's just that Google is really not harder than IRC?	16:32
MohammadAG	lol	16:32
ptl	I am brazilian and I hate soccer	16:32
lcuk	i would like to know where you are so i can stay the hell out of your town	16:32
N900rulz	im holding the n900 and wheel at the same time aand i can type without looking on the keayboard	16:32
w00t_	Stskeeps	16:33
ptl	can you read without looking at the screen?	16:33
jacekowski	N900rulz: what about looking at the road?	16:33
w00t_	er, wrong button	16:33
Termana	Must be an iPhone user	16:33
ptl	maybe you use espeak for listening to IRC also :)	16:33
ptl	pelota app does that?	16:33
N900rulz	i quickly glance at the screen but most of the time i loook on the road	16:33
timeless_mbp	Hey, has anyone asked for notmynokia to be pushed to testing?	16:33
Termana	I haz haxored N900rulz's n900, I can see true hes camra. Big apple logo on back	16:34
Termana	:P	16:34
N900rulz	so you guys tell me honestly yous never drive and sms? honestly please.	16:34
jacekowski	N900rulz: no	16:34
MohammadAG	I don't drive	16:34
ptl	I said I did, N900rulz	16:34
Termana	MohammadAG, lies	16:34
MohammadAG	Termana, 16, can't have a license	16:34
N900rulz	lier lier pants on firee - jacekowski	16:34
jacekowski	Termana: he doesn't have driving license	16:35
Termana	MohammadAG, you drive - me up the wall	16:35
Termana	:P	16:35
jacekowski	N900rulz: nope	16:35
Termana	kidding	16:35
MohammadAG	Termana, rofl	16:35
jacekowski	N900rulz: i have phone in ashtray above radio	16:35
ptl	and I don't know the answer to your question because I don't like soccer... there's an app called pelota though and there are some recipes for queen beacon widget	16:35
jacekowski	N900rulz: so i can listen to music from fmtx	16:35
N900rulz	its innocent. stop making a big deal out of it	16:35
Termana	its innocent	16:35
auenf	wtf, i cant change the ip address for my email account without deleting it and putting it in again?	16:35
Termana	honestly officer	16:35
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jacekowski	N900rulz: and disable gsm because it makes annoying noises in my radio	16:35
flailingmonkey	I met a guy a couple weeka	16:35
* wazd 's trying to find parts of his brain after meego song meditation		16:35
MiXu-_	I've written stuff a few times while driving. Not innocent. :)	16:36
Stskeeps	wazd: audio could have been better	16:36
MiXu-_	Almost hit a curb once	16:36
achipa	soccer... annoying noises... hmmm.... http://www.vuvuzela-time.co.uk/www.maemo.org	16:36
ptl	stop trolling him, this makes it even more probable that he crashes his car	16:36
flailingmonkey	weeks back, and he died later that night because he was texting while driving on highway, plowed right into median	16:36
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wazd	Stskeeps: let's wait for LP :D	16:36
Termana	ptl, teach him a lesson	16:36
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ptl	I can't, I also don't know the lesson	16:37
ptl	I also drive and type	16:37
N900rulz	thanks for your help dudes....that widget is shit by the way	16:37
GAN900	Ha, what great advertising	16:37
Termana	ptl, I meant, crashing his car will teach him a lesson	16:37
Termana	ptl, also, don't.	16:37
ptl	it won't, because he'll die	16:37
GAN900	One of the waiters from a local restaurant rushed the field in South Africa	16:37
MohammadAG	me too, except I'm on my PS3	16:37
ptl	dead people have learnt nothing	16:37
GAN900	So the restaurant is giving free margaritas to anybody who says "Viva Joe"	16:38
ptl	don't say that. I love margaritas and I'm doing the atkins diet.	16:38
ptl	:( can't drink	16:38
jacekowski	ptl: one more moron eliminated from gene pool	16:38
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timeless_mbp	N900rulz: i don't	16:38
Termana	ptl, if he dies, he's teaching everyone else a lesson at least	16:38
* timeless_mbp doesn't drive at all		16:38
GAN900	lol, Atkins.	16:38
Termana	timeless_mbp, private jet I assume? :P	16:39
ptl	I'm dumb enough that if he dies he won't teach me a lesson	16:39
lcuk	Termana, i dont give a damn about him, its anyone else he might inconvenience	16:39
N900rulz	why yous all so mean ??????	16:39
GAN900	achipa, elgato released a patch for EyeTV that includes a Vuvuzela filter.	16:39
lcuk	ie: cleaner having to sweep up his eyeballs	16:39
Termana	lcuk, heh, I think if he runs over someone its going to be a little more than an inconvenience	16:39
jacekowski	ptl: then you will die	16:40
ptl	:(	16:40
timeless_mbp	Termana: nah, i walk :)	16:40
Termana	"Ouch, you ran over me! What an inconvenience"	16:40
ptl	some day I will	16:40
jacekowski	ptl: and that's how evolution works	16:40
ptl	every one of us will	16:40
jacekowski	ptl: and natural selection	16:40
lcuk	Termana, i was avoiding that incase hes alone on a country road	16:40
ptl	jacekowski: evolution is bullshit, I am adept of intelligent design	16:40
achipa	GAN900: but... does it run on Linux ? :)	16:40
ptl	(just kidding, I just finished my master degree in molecular philogeny)	16:41
jacekowski	ptl: intelligent design is a bullshit	16:41
N900rulz	one more question.....if i wanted to send yous all a pic here on irce whats the comand in xchat?	16:41
GAN900	achipa, no. :P	16:41
lcuk	andre__, another community patch on its way through :)	16:41
ptl	N900rulz: /dcc send nickname /path/to/picture	16:41
Termana	N900rulz, difficult to send it to the whole room	16:41
lcuk	this one is for bug 7256	16:41
povbot	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7256 Maemo should use en_GB as default fallback in locales	16:41
MohammadAG	/dcc send #maemo ?	16:41
jacekowski	imageshac + paste a link	16:41
Termana	N900rulz, it would be better to upload it to imageshack or something and give us the link	16:41
MohammadAG	just a guess btw	16:42
andre__	lcuk, nice	16:42
GAN900	Termana, he's got all the time in the world while driving.	16:42
Termana	MohammadAG, I don't think that works	16:42
achipa	soooo... what's the difference between "Forum Nokia Projects" and garage (either Maemo or whatever MeeGo garage will actually be) ?	16:44
timeless_mbp	form nokia is run by your friends at forum nokia	16:44
achipa	(apart from dput style stuff and Extras, obviously)	16:44
N900rulz	oooops.....cops	16:44
flailingmonkey	fail	16:45
Termana	WIN!	16:45
flailingmonkey	timeless_mbp: you work on mozilla stuff right?	16:45
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N900rulz	dude didnt see me..... lol	16:45
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timeless_mbp	yes	16:45
Termana	fail	16:45
achipa	timeless_mbp: I know that, was thinking in community terms, as there was this how cool MeeGo garage will be talk, only to turn into silence...	16:45
Termana	Your meant to let him chase you and give you a big fine	16:45
N900rulz	funny thing is cops themselves text and drive....see them all tthe time bastards	16:46
timeless_mbp	achipa: i've never found garage.maemo.org to be wonderful	16:46
GAN900	achipa, no worries, if you want to use Forum Nokia, you gotta have liability insurance. :P	16:46
timeless_mbp	but i've used it	16:46
timeless_mbp	i have no interest in FN	16:47
lcuk	N900rulz, can i ask, since you are driving - why are you using a rogers cable ip?	16:47
timeless_mbp	beyond the fact that they shipped an n810 to a friend for me	16:47
mirf	is there a more straight forward was to use network over usb than cygwin?	16:47
N900rulz	I am not... i am on my n900 through edge	16:47
lcuk	thats not what your ip says	16:47
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achipa	timeless_mbp: well, it's not exactly if we were encouraged to develop further garage.maemo.org...	16:47
N900rulz	lcuk: check your shit and stop implying i'm liying	16:47
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N900rulz	lcuk: shall is send you a screenshot?	16:48
ManoftheSea	lcuk, there are other alternatives.	16:48
achipa	s/if/as if/	16:48
infobot	achipa meant: timeless_mbp: well, it's not exactly as if we were encouraged to develop further garage.maemo.org...	16:48
timeless_mbp	:)	16:48
ManoftheSea	I mean, I'm not actually at my IRC IP right now either.	16:48
ManoftheSea	I'm SSH+screen'd into my home.	16:48
lcuk	N900rulz, actually no i'd rather not, you arent concentrating enough as it is	16:48
flailingmonkey	we're in a vaccuum, and so nothing will happen without that being filled by authoritative information, or someone takes charge in their own way	16:49
* lcuk goes ack to other places		16:49
N900rulz	why woud i lie.... i am not at home	16:49
timeless_mbp	ManoftheSea: please don't encourage him	16:49
timeless_mbp	so it's ok to lie from home?	16:49
Termana	lol	16:49
Termana	100 internets for you timeless_mbp	16:50
achipa	but it's a sad sort of fun to see meego.com try to be primarily a home to Qt developers, considering FN, qtcentre et al	16:50
N900rulz	lcuk where are you???	16:50
MohammadAG	mars, same solar system	16:50
timeless_mbp	wouldn't FN be a home for Java devs? :)	16:51
achipa	mars means 'get outta here' in some languages	16:51
lcuk	N900rulz, thankfully on another continent to you	16:51
lcuk	thats scary	16:51
Termana	achipa, mars	16:51
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N900rulz	i am here on studies....goin back tou europe soon !!!!	16:52
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Termana	N900rulz, oh I see, so your driving to Europe from the US? I hadn't realised they invented cars to do that.	16:53
achipa	Termana: you/M-AG mean Mars, but let's not be grammar nazis	16:53
Termana	:P	16:53
N900rulz	no....Im drivin from to school to where i live...in july i fly back to europe	16:53
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Termana	N900rulz, so your home is in europe?	16:54
N900rulz	the n900 is not mine i borrowed it... i gonna buy one when im in europe	16:54
achipa	timeless_mbp: Java? Well, they did kinda join the Qt push lately (or so I hear/see).	16:55
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N900rulz	lcuk: im still waiting for the apology buddy ;-)	16:56
Termana	hah	16:56
MohammadAG	N900rulz, you'll get it when PR1.5 arrives :)	16:56
lcuk	N900rulz, pull over to the side of the road whilst talking and i will apologise	16:56
jacekowski	it seems that recently there is more suicidal people on this channel	16:57
N900rulz	lcuk: just kidding mate....	16:57
jacekowski	there was that canadian bloke couple days ago	16:57
lcuk	no jacekowski hes not the first	16:57
N900rulz	(about aologizing)	16:57
Termana	N900rulz, do you know your number plate?	16:57
MohammadAG	14M1337900	16:57
MohammadAG	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt any ideas? anyone?	16:58
Termana	MohammadAG, :P I see what you did there	16:58
N900rulz	guys let me ask you a question: i am not a linux geek like yous all....am i annoying yous by coming here?	16:58
jacekowski	MohammadAG: builder is broken probably	16:58
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MohammadAG	jacekowski, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-June/thread.html some packages were successful between my 2 failed ones	17:00
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lcuk	MohammadAG, you spelt urgency wrong in the changelog	17:00
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jacekowski	MohammadAG: yeah, lrn2spl	17:00
* MohammadAG bangs head on desk		17:00
jacekowski	MohammadAG: couple more times	17:01
* MohammadAG shoots jacekowski		17:01
jacekowski	you missed	17:02
* MohammadAG fires a nuke at jacekowski		17:02
achipa	it's because of all the headbanging. Shoot first, THEN bang head	17:02
lcuk	wheres han solo when you need him	17:03
RST38h	helo lcuk	17:03
lcuk	250 lcuk Hello RST38h	17:04
pigeon	anyone uses shortcutd with the proximity sensor?	17:04
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flailingmonkey	frozen bubble would be awesome :)	17:06
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mirf	why on earth is the charging port on TOP of the phone?	17:06
mirf	ludicrous	17:06
nidO	well, another way to look at it is that it's on the left end of the tablet	17:07
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MohammadAG	the N86 has the USB port on top too	17:08
MohammadAG	but yeah, the N900 has it on the left side	17:08
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flailingmonkey	well, it can't be on at the bottom of the keyboard, because then you couldn't charge while using its kickstand	17:11
pigeon	hmm, that's the first time i've seen this: "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s"	17:11
achipa	flailingmonkey: what kickstand ?	17:11
nidO	theres only one kickstand on an n900	17:12
flailingmonkey	perhaps switching the lock switch and headphones would have been possible	17:12
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flailingmonkey	s/headphones/headphones with the usb port/	17:12
infobot	flailingmonkey meant: perhaps switching the lock switch and headphones with the usb port would have been possible	17:12
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MohammadAG	someone should really fix the i386 version of maemo-optify	17:14
flailingmonkey	my guess is that the headphone port only fit where it is right now, and the usb next to the headphone port might have had too much noise	17:14
MohammadAG	https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/frozen-bubble_2.2.0-1maemo3/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt	17:14
achipa	what flailingmonkey says, power electronics and sound are not friends	17:15
achipa	(not impossible, but a lot more difficult to do right)	17:15
achipa	still, this black plasting thingy is no replacement for the N810 kickstand, USB charging be damned	17:16
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lcuk	this is awesome; vuvuzela in DOOM !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXPPyjtw5WU	17:17
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jacekowski	lcuk: niggerhorn*	17:18
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lcuk	get lost jacekowski, theres no need for racism	17:19
mirf	what is it with this chan ?	17:19
MohammadAG	most of us don't do drugs	17:20
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nidO	some of us do	17:20
lcuk	mirf active moderators sometimes would be good, sometimes feel like i would kick some folks	17:21
flailingmonkey	jacekowski just really likes that term, makes him feel edgy and hip	17:21
lcuk	jacekowski would be gone right now for instance	17:21
mirf	mm	17:22
* MohammadAG ops lcuk		17:22
_0x47	Could someone explain me why this happens? http://pastebin.com/B0nTXv7n It found boostlib but could not link?	17:22
flailingmonkey	who is sop on #maemo	17:22
mirf	and that hkuy guy yesterday,,,	17:22
mirf	*khuy	17:22
* MohammadAG wishes he could do that - oh well		17:22
mirf	gaaahhh I can't wait to get home	17:22
mirf	I wanna play n900	17:23
n900-1	can anyone give me a clue to how to convert qt creator project into MADDE compileable thing?	17:23
MohammadAG	do something wacky at work, get fired, ???, profit... errr	17:23
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amigadave	_0x47: check config.log which should give you a more verbose error message	17:25
_0x47	k thanks	17:25
_0x47	amigadave: that's kinda cryptic, let me pastebin it	17:26
_0x47	amigadave: http://pastebin.com/14FjTCJw	17:26
achipa	n900-1: add a Maemo target ? Provided your QtCreator is from the Nokia Qt SDK	17:27
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amigadave	_0x47: and that is the whole file? it should normally be quite long, 100 lines say	17:28
amigadave	1000	17:28
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_0x47	amigadave: oh sry, I just took the last lines, let me paste the whole thing.	17:28
luke-jr	anyone here good with non-electronic coding?	17:30
_0x47	amigadave: here we go: http://pastebin.com/HRQMYSQN	17:30
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n900-1	umm, achipa thanks for the reply. I have madde setup, and i can build test hello application and deploy to n900 through command line and run stuff and test. Now I want to take some small application from the qt creator installed on my pc, lets say the Address Book part 1 example which only has 2 text boxes, compile it through madde and deploy to n900 and run.	17:31
jacekowski	lcuk: you mean like a punch card coding or something?	17:31
luke-jr	jacekowski: no, even simpler XD	17:31
jacekowski	luke-jr: programming a washing machine?	17:31
luke-jr	jacekowski: I want an object to fall down the side of my wall over a period of 12 hours	17:31
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luke-jr	so far my only idea is a floating ball, and a slow leak	17:32
jacekowski	luke-jr: that will make it slow down	17:32
jacekowski	as less water means less pressure	17:32
luke-jr	:(	17:32
jacekowski	so if you calibrate it that 1l would be 1h	17:32
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jacekowski	then 10l would be something around 3h	17:33
luke-jr	need a constant rate	17:33
Stskeeps	luke-jr: added tsc2005 to my set of patches	17:33
luke-jr	or at least near-constant	17:33
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jacekowski	luke-jr: you would need something like an old clock	17:34
jacekowski	luke-jr: and tweak it little bit	17:34
amigadave	_0x47: i guess from line 495 and 548 that you are building against the same libstdc++ as boost was built against?	17:34
_0x47	amigadave: yes	17:35
achipa	n900-1: but is that qt creator a standalone one or part of the Nokia Qt SDK (it does matter)	17:35
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n900-1	stand alone one	17:36
_0x47	amigadave: i installed some debian packages to satisfy dependencies. see the list here: http://pastebin.com/f6nJzVR7	17:36
achipa	n900-1: if you ask me you should not bother with using MADDE manually... the QtCreator from the aforementioned SDK will deal with Madde and deployment...	17:37
_0x47	after that no complains were left	17:37
n900-1	yea ... i'll be downloding the 1.0 sdk tonight :) .. but just too excited to run the sample	17:37
n900-1	achipa: its giving the error >> cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading ..	17:38
n900-1	and i have googled so i'm at a page where this guys is saying that the changlog file should be created in the staging area	17:38
n900-1	the webpage says "The debian directory is found in the package staging area used by MADDE. The staging area is where the package is prepared and assembled. The changelog file should be created in the debian directory at that place."	17:38
n900-1	where is that area can you specify ?	17:39
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n900-1	i'm using windows 7 32 bits	17:39
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N900rulz	freak my dad gonna kill me	17:40
jacekowski	N900rulz: have you crashed his car?	17:40
N900rulz	i put $1000 on the italy game and they are losing !!!!	17:41
Stskeeps	heh, serves you right	17:41
Stskeeps	:P	17:41
jacekowski	that's even worse	17:41
Stskeeps	and who'd bet on italy? ;p	17:41
N900rulz	now i have to ask him for more $$$$ he gonna freak	17:41
jacekowski	i never spend money on gambling like that	17:41
N900rulz	freak !!!!!!!!	17:42
jacekowski	i would just get rid of you	17:42
jacekowski	and tell you to never come back	17:42
N900rulz	sorry guys i know its not linux but my ass is on the line.....f**k !!!!	17:42
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yuizy	$1000 :D	17:43
yuizy	sorry	17:43
N900rulz	yes.....fack	17:43
jacekowski	well, i would never gave you $1000 in a first place	17:43
Stskeeps	N900evil: sell him your car and n900	17:43
Stskeeps	:P	17:43
_0x47	amigadave: are you still alive?	17:43
N900rulz	now i gotta pay rent and food.....	17:43
jacekowski	N900rulz: just die	17:43
jacekowski	N900rulz: it's your fault, live with consequences	17:43
N900rulz	it was money for rent and food andd ticket back ghome.....	17:44
amigadave	_0x47: just trying to find that symbol, have not come across it so far...	17:44
_0x47	amigadave: oh well, take your time, just was worried :P Thanks!	17:44
N900rulz	the game is not over yet......go italy !	17:44
_0x47	fking italy will lose	17:44
N900rulz	my dad will disown me... he gonna have a hart attck	17:45
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_0x47	wtf it's your fault, live with it and bet less next time	17:45
_0x47	or just don't bet	17:45
N900rulz	but odds were good i needed $$$$	17:46
N900rulz	freak i am worried old man will lose it	17:46
_0x47	lol stfu now, he's prolly not gonna die	17:47
flailingmonkey	he's just going to facepalm	17:47
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flailingmonkey	and then facepalm your face	17:47
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N900rulz	you dont get it....my old man is very strict...pickle up his ass he has	17:48
jacekowski	i would do DNA test after that	17:48
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jacekowski	just to make sure it's my son	17:48
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N900rulz	plus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours	17:49
_0x47	i guess italy's gonna win anyways, so maybe just wait and see?	17:49
N900rulz	ok	17:49
_0x47	thanks	17:49
jacekowski	N900rulz: maybe that's because you're stupid	17:50
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N900rulz	jacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life	17:51
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TigerTael	lol	17:51
Stskeeps	N900rulz: you sound awfully lot like a spoiled brat indeed	17:51
amigadave	_0x47: it appears that you are using the scratchbox gcc (4.2.1) and not the gcc from the packages that you downloaded	17:51
amigadave	which would probably explain the missing symbol	17:51
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mirf	hahahaha	17:53
mirf	most fun thing so far... telnet star wars	17:53
jacekowski	N900rulz: but you just said that you can't afford a rent	17:53
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N900rulz	jacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous	17:55
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Kegetys	if you are rich then pay it from your own pocket and dont tell him	17:58
MohammadAG	e-yes, ping, again?	17:58
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luke-jr	N900rulz: money and stupid are not exclusive	17:59
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_0x47	amigadave: are you sure, let me verify	17:59
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amigadave	_0x47: checking config.log, there is only mention of gcc 4.2.1	18:00
amigadave	it seems that package accepts boost 1.36 anyway, so the boost version in extras-devel might be sufficient (1.38)	18:00
amigadave	but i am not sure	18:00
_0x47	amigadave: hm, it said "Preparing to replace gcc-4.4-base 4.4.4-5 (using gcc-4.4-base_4.4.4-5_armel.deb) ..." that seems to be already 4.4.	18:01
_0x47	build fails with 1.38 tho, hence the try with 1.42	18:01
e-yes	MohammadAG, icmp response:)	18:02
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_0x47	trying again atm as it seemed to install the gcc instead of saying it's already there	18:02
_0x47	amigadave: no, same error	18:02
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MohammadAG	e-yes, I got your patches from gitorious yesterday, they break the ts in maemo :)	18:02
Stskeeps	.. wtf are you doing	18:03
_0x47	amigadave: how can I ensure that it uses gcc 4.4 instead of 4.2?	18:03
amigadave	_0x47: you will probably not be able to replace the toolchain in scratchbox without major surgery	18:03
e-yes	MohammadAG, aha, you have to left old modules in Maemo, especially ts.	18:03
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_0x47	0x47: i feel like i have to if I ever want to build that POS...	18:03
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jacekowski	amigadave: it's quite easy	18:04
jacekowski	amigadave: toolchain is in one devkit	18:04
amigadave	_0x47: what was the build error with boost 1.38?	18:04
jacekowski	amigadave: so you just need to build one	18:04
MohammadAG	e-yes, tsc2005? so basically I need to have the ts modules for maemo when loading maemo and the android one when loading android?	18:04
jacekowski	amigadave: and add another devkit	18:04
e-yes	ts ccontains patches for android. unfortunately, android expects slightly different ts coord. range	18:04
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MohammadAG	e-yes, oh and I'm not using your image, I built my own one :)	18:04
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_0x47	amigadave: http://pastebin.com/zje7E8q4	18:05
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MohammadAG	banning the nick itself is sometimes helpful	18:05
_0x47	amigadave: additionally when I try to "fakeroot apt-get remove gcc-4.2" it wants to remove my 1.42 boost libs	18:06
Stskeeps	idiot changes nicks often	18:06
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e-yes	MohammadAG, yes, all compiled modules I copy to android rootfs, and leave maemo's modules intact	18:06
MohammadAG	e-yes, oh, I see, I'll reflash it again I guess :)	18:07
MohammadAG	e-yes, thanks	18:07
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MohammadAG	e-yes, oh and another thing, the overclock.diff patch doesn't actually overclock the device, it's the same as the kernel-power one right?	18:09
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amigadave	_0x47: seems as though that build error has nothing to do with the boost version	18:13
_0x47	:'(	18:14
_0x47	amigadave: so what? i can't find out what the problem is	18:14
_0x47	i'm about to replace the whole build system in the SDK	18:14
amigadave	_0x47: looks like it is complaining about SDL_mixer headers, the Max_Chunk typedef is forward-declared as a struct in hch/CMusicHandler.h of vcmi	18:15
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_0x47	yeah i already tried to check this one out. the weird thing is that it compiles on my ubuntu machine without problems	18:15
amigadave	maybe your SDL_mixer version is different?	18:16
_0x47	err, different from what?	18:16
amigadave	the version in Scratchbox	18:16
_0x47	hm, is it possible to get a second armel target in scratchbox? i bet I already messed mine up, but want to keep it for reference...	18:17
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Jaffa	X-Fade: ping	18:18
Jaffa	dneary: ping	18:18
Jaffa	andre__: ping	18:18
amigadave	yeah, use sb-menu to guide you through it, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation has some hints	18:18
dneary	Hi Jaffa	18:18
_0x47	amigadave: k thanks, let me do that and check the version. how much longer will you be around?	18:19
amigadave	_0x47: heading home soon, but will be around tomorrow	18:20
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dneary	Did everyone see this: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N20Y20100624	18:20
MohammadAG	~flasher	18:20
infobot	somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher	18:20
MohammadAG	~botsnack	18:21
infobot	MohammadAG: :)	18:21
_0x47	amigadave: k then I'll come back to you tomorrow, heading home too, but will probably online there too	18:21
amigadave	_0x47: good luck :)	18:21
_0x47	thanks a bunch	18:22
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Dassu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tgNdRm-iJs this is just horriiible to waatch >:D	18:22
mirf	what do you say when someone asks you if your n900 is better than their iphone?	18:22
mirf	they are incomparible!	18:22
mirf	so vastly different	18:22
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Dassu	I'm gonna be like "yeaaaah...." I get away fast as possible stupidity doesn't spread to me	18:23
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GAN900	mirf, sadly the iPhone 4 really starts to pull away.	18:28
Kegetys	for me it wont until it gets a keyboard at least	18:28
GAN900	The screen is jaw dropping	18:29
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MohammadAG	GAN900, you haven't seen the problems have you :)	18:30
MohammadAG	GAN900, http://gizmodo.com, they're on the first page	18:30
Stskeeps	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=727741#post727741	18:31
Stskeeps	i vote they bring in abill_uk	18:31
MohammadAG	LOL	18:31
mirf	iphone will always be miles behind	18:32
mirf	but as I say	18:32
mirf	you can't compare them	18:32
flailingmonkey	OS != hardware	18:34
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Lullen	how do I select an item in a qlistview by knowing its index? And how do I disable manual editing?	18:35
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GAN900	MohammadAG, meh, no problem with ours.	18:37
MohammadAG	GAN900, "ours"?	18:38
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Stskeeps	lcuk: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/bacon_love	18:39
vldcnst	that's a poster worth buying	18:41
Jaffa	mirf: If the iPhone 4 is as fast and smooth as an iPad, it's miles ahead of the N900 in terms of user experience.	18:42
GAN900	MohammadAG, my mother's. . . .	18:42
jaska	no kbd -> useless	18:42
MohammadAG	GAN900, oh ok	18:42
GAN900	Jaffa, faster in some ways. 512MB	18:42
Jaffa	GAN900: Eek	18:43
* Jaffa wonders if Harmattan device's "OMAP3430" will be up to the task; hopefully a fully optimised Qt stack will help.		18:43
GAN900	Jaffa, yeah, it pretty much blows everything out of the water.	18:43
MohammadAG	I like the iPhone, hate the non-existent community	18:43
MohammadAG	brb, going out	18:43
Corsac	I have to admit I find it looking nice, the square look etc.	18:43
GAN900	Fast A8, faster graphics than all of the other SoCs, huge RAM, huge resolution	18:44
Jaffa	MohammadAG: 'salright, we're well on our way to that with MeeGo :-(	18:44
GAN900	Rumor mill says OMAP3630	18:44
flailingmonkey	in many ways the N900 competes with the iPad and the iPhone simultaneously	18:44
chem\|st	Stskeeps: someone will get killed that night	18:44
Jaffa	GAN900: For Harmattan device?	18:44
GAN900	But Nokia is really gonna have to bring the heat for the N900+1 to compete with this.	18:44
GAN900	Jaffa, yeah.	18:44
wazd	Isner vs Mahut - oh my	18:45
Jaffa	GAN900: Did it say OMAP3 or 3430 in Amsterdam?	18:45
Corsac	wazd: yeah, it's crazy	18:45
Lullen	The first meego phone from nokia will be harmattan, but when will we get a real meego phone from nokia?	18:45
GAN900	I'd buy the iPhone 4 in a heartbeat if iOS wasn't so boring.	18:45
GAN900	Jaffa, OMAP3	18:45
GAN900	capacitive, WVGA	18:45
Jaffa	GAN900: Yup; that was my impression from an iPad. Shiny; impressive; fun to use but boring after an hour or two	18:45
Corsac	and I don't exactly like the locked-down ecosystem	18:45
Corsac	iOS + iTunes etc.	18:46
Jaffa	WVGA == 800x480?	18:46
Jaffa	(stupid acronyms)	18:46
timeless_mbp	Lullen: before 2035!	18:46
timeless_mbp	or was it 2036	18:46
wazd	Jaffa: or 848x480	18:46
Corsac	timeless_mbp: the overflow?	18:46
* timeless_mbp wasn't very good w/ tea leaves		18:46
timeless_mbp	Corsac: it's somewhere over there, yeah :)	18:46
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Corsac	2038	18:47
wazd	MohammadAG: have you heard? It's i"everythingbutthephone" now	18:47
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RST38h	heya wazd	18:48
wazd	matchball	18:48
RST38h	how is life?	18:48
RST38h	got yourself an iphone 4g? =)	18:48
achipa	Jaffa: or 854x480	18:48
Jaffa	achipa: wazd: So, basically 800ishx480.	18:48
Corsac	70-68 then	18:48
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wazd	oh shit, they've finised :D	18:48
wazd	RST38h: heya :)	18:49
Corsac	too bad :)	18:49
wazd	finished*	18:49
RST38h	who?	18:49
Corsac	ilsnet-mahut	18:49
wazd	RST38h: http://www.championat.ru/tennis/_wimbledon/472/match/22806.html	18:49
Corsac	ner*	18:49
Corsac	and Ilsner won	18:49
wazd	RST38h: epic tennis battle :)	18:49
Corsac	Isner*	18:49
achipa	Jaffa: yes, sort of favourite aspect ratio * 480	18:49
wazd	Corsac: I think they should marry each other now :D	18:50
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Corsac	yeah :)	18:50
RST38h	wazd: oh that...	18:51
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wazd	RST38h: I'm fine, finishing my top secret project :)	18:55
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MohammadAG51	hmm, android boots up, shows Powering down then turns off the device	18:58
MohammadAG51	weird	18:58
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GAN900	Jaffa, or slightly more or less.	19:00
GAN900	Depending upon exactly how "wide"	19:00
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GAN900	Oops	19:00
lcuk	lol Stskeeps	19:00
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trip0	does maemo use a build system like obs that you can push code and have it build packages and add it to a repo somewhere?	19:03
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Stskeeps	trip0: maemo extras, but we're building a obs as well	19:05
* trip0 searches wiki		19:06
trip0	thanks Stskeeps	19:06
trip0	will obs be up soon?	19:06
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Stskeeps	it'll be the same obs as the meego community obs, i believe	19:07
trip0	it'll just build for fremantle?	19:07
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Stskeeps	well we haven't seen any SDKs for harmattan..	19:08
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DocScrutinizer	diablo?	19:08
trip0	harmattan still lives?	19:09
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trip0	i thought it was going to be "meego"	19:09
Stskeeps	N900killa: yes, we get it, you just lost 1000$	19:09
Stskeeps	:P	19:09
N900killa	shoot	19:09
N900killa	I'm dead	19:09
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N900killa	what should i do?	19:10
trip0	run	19:10
trip0	hide	19:10
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N900killa	no more internet for me	19:10
trip0	wear body-armour	19:10
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Stskeeps	god, i suck.	19:11
*** Stskeeps sets mode: -bb !@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.198./ !@gateway/web/ip.74.198.		19:11
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trip0	do I want to ask what that was all about?	19:12
DocScrutinizer	prolly not	19:12
lcuk	its the same guy that got bored midmorning each day this week isnt it?	19:12
DocScrutinizer	yes	19:12
Stskeeps	trip0: read channel scrollback.. he's been trolling for days including claiming he was a nokia employee and not being able to answer simple questions.. and being kinda hostile in general	19:12
* lcuk nods		19:12
* trip0 notes not to mess with Stskeeps		19:12
DocScrutinizer	trip0: wait til you start messing with ME :-P	19:13
Stskeeps	so we're a bit tired of him :)	19:13
lcuk	trip0, you neednt be concerned with Stskeeps - its that GAN900 fellow you should worry about ;)	19:13
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Stskeeps	(usually we are very happy about any nokians or ex-nokians as long as they're friendly)	19:13
luke-jr	just ban !@*	19:13
luke-jr	that'll keep him out	19:13
trip0	lol	19:14
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* DocScrutinizer shrugs		19:15
DocScrutinizer	couldn't feel upset about him the last ~24h	19:16
luke-jr	Stskeeps: have you tried banning his nick yet?	19:16
Stskeeps	luke-jr: he changes nicks quite a fair bit	19:16
luke-jr	o	19:16
DocScrutinizer	maybe I missed one or two of his frequent nick changes	19:16
luke-jr	just not today?	19:16
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GAN900	lcuk, rawr?	19:17
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vldcnst	~botsnack	19:18
infobot	vldcnst: aw, gee	19:18
DocScrutinizer	you people make me dizzy - or is that the fact my coffee ran out	19:19
trip0	its the coffee	19:19
trip0	maybe you've had too much?	19:19
vldcnst	there's never too much coffee	19:19
trip0	...unless you start seeing spots on everything	19:20
GAN900	luke-jr, like a dozen in the past few weels	19:20
GAN900	weeks*	19:20
vldcnst	not from coffee	19:20
trip0	you only need 1000mg or so of caffeine to overdose	19:21
vldcnst	for a coffee newbie maybe	19:21
trip0	http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine	19:21
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trip0	wow, this calc is awesome	19:22
trip0	we need a meego app for this	19:22
vldcnst	After 59.72 cans of Red Bull, you'd be pushing up daisies.	19:22
vldcnst	Oh my.	19:22
trip0	2000 glasses of chocolate milk would kill you	19:23
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trip0	(but something tells me you'd die before 100)	19:23
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mortini	trip0: depends on how quickly consumed	19:24
trip0	95 cups of coffee	19:24
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vldcnst	I doubt you can actually DIE	19:24
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mortini	you'd really have to try.	19:25
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mortini	150-200mg per kg of body mass	19:25
mortini	but, it's timing	19:26
trip0	i doubt you could physically down 100 cups of coffee in any reasonable amount of time it would take to kill you	19:26
mortini	yeah.	19:26
mortini	you could do it if you had just caffeine, but that's about it.	19:26
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RST38h	Heh, Eldar dances on the Symbian bones	19:26
vldcnst	http://www.energyfiend.com/caffeine-content/re-load-energy-spray	19:26
vldcnst	interesting	19:26
vldcnst	that one could kill you I guess	19:27
mortini	so, the half-life for caffeine in human males is 4.9 hours, so, less than that.	19:27
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trip0	mortini, is it different in females?	19:28
mortini	yes	19:28
mortini	oh, that's 'adults' according to wikipedia, females on contraception is 5-10 hours	19:28
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RST38h	ext3	19:29
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DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: GAN900: could you explain to me why this killa/faka/lova guy was kicked now? I donmt think it's educative to reward a short period of almost correct behaviour with restrictions	19:32
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: it bends down to him talking inconsistent crap as well as being hostile and disruptive to channel discussions and mood.	19:34
GAN900	DocScrutinizer51, because I was tired of his incessant idiocy?	19:34
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: when?	19:34
* DocScrutinizer51 checks his ignore list		19:35
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: well do you really want me to pull out the various examples where he has been pointed out to state untruthful stuff, including 'ircing from a car' and saying he's rich when he can't pay his rent as well as other inconsistent stuff? :P	19:35
jacekowski	GAN900: so that would mean that you can be rude/insulting and etc. but if you are stupid you get banned	19:35
GAN900	DocScrutinizer51, I'm more than happy to ceed the handling of it to you.	19:36
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: he's rude to people and even more insulting than crashanddie, really :P	19:36
GAN900	Since I don't particularly have time to deal with nonsense like jacekowski's at work.	19:36
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DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: completely agree. just saying he started to behave	19:36
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer51: as well as actively evading bans and continuing after being warned. i don't like banning nor kicking people, personally	19:37
Stskeeps	:P	19:37
Stskeeps	but this character shows me something i've commonly seen in other trolls, so	19:37
DocScrutinizer51	Stskeeps: just saying he behaved since yesterday	19:38
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jacekowski	DocScrutinizer51: well, today he was sort of hmm	19:39
DocScrutinizer51	and yesterday/the day bfore I got bashed for banning him	19:39
Stskeeps	when? :P	19:39
Stskeeps	right, and i'm disagreeing with that (that he behaved)	19:39
jacekowski	16:49 < N900rulz> plus im not doing too good in school either....fack when it rains it pours	19:39
jacekowski	16:51 < N900rulz> jacekowski: rude bastard... i have more money than u ever will have in your fucken life	19:39
jacekowski	16:55 < N900rulz> jacekowski: my old man doesnt like me wastin $1000 like that....look i dont mean to argue with yous	19:39
DocScrutinizer51	ok	19:40
RST38h	jacekowski: Have you asked him an obligatory question about what he is wearing?	19:40
DocScrutinizer51	that's what I've missed	19:40
DocScrutinizer51	jacekowski: thanks	19:40
RST38h	I mean, kicking him without asking obligatory questions is wrong, wrong	19:40
jacekowski	and he was ircing while driving	19:40
jacekowski	and he was plain stupid	19:40
RST38h	That is nice	19:40
jacekowski	which on it's own is enough	19:41
RST38h	I mean, you actually missed an opportunity to cause a traffic accident over irc?	19:41
RST38h	That may be one in your lifetime...	19:41
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jacekowski	well, there was somebody driving lorry in canada 2 days ago	19:41
RST38h	He did not say what he was driving	19:42
jacekowski	so there will be couple more chances	19:42
RST38h	Hopefully it was an oil tanker	19:42
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crashanddie	jacekowski & DocScrutinizer51: yeah, he's a troll who's been coming quite a bit, just get rid of him time and time again	19:46
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DocScrutinizer51	thanks for confirming, great cleanser of buns err bans	19:48
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Lullen	How do I make a qlistview scroll down to the index I have selected?	19:51
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mortini	Lullen: tried setCurrentIndex?	19:54
mortini	Lullen: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qabstractitemview.html#setCurrentIndex	19:54
Lullen	mortini thanks!	19:56
Lullen	got suprised when it selected an item and did not scroll down to it :)	19:56
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mortini	Lullen: the 'list all members' of a class feature of the documentation is nice, because then you can see everything it inherits, too	19:58
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mortini	er, there's a link at the top of the page	19:58
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Lullen	now it is working as it should, thanks again!	20:04
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mortini	cool, np	20:05
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ham5	what file browser can I use that will open config files in a text editor?	20:07
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* SpeedEvil holds up the case of the laptop.		20:12
SpeedEvil	'Alas, poor laptop, I knew him well!'	20:12
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RST38h	Yea, that is exactly how I feel	20:13
RST38h	Except that the poor thing is not fully dead yet, more like sick with cancer	20:13
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maemouser	hhey can i somehow save a route on maps for offline routing?	20:18
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ham5	click/ walk threw the maps when your online?	20:46
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InteliWasp	how well does maemo 5 work with the n800?	20:47
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RST38h	It does not	20:48
InteliWasp	so i shuld stay with diablo?	20:49
RST38h	That is an invalid question	20:49
flailingmonkey	InteliWasp: you'll get meego, probably by 1.1 release (1.1 is about to enter open development)	20:49
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trip0	meego1.1openingftw	20:50
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mortini	3/topic	20:51
mortini	oops	20:51
Lullen	what can "undefined reference to `DietSettings::DietSettings(QWidget)'" mean? I have included the dietsettings.h and written "DietSettings ds;" in the window that calls header. And in the cpp file I have a function wich have the following lines ds = new DietSettings(this); and ds->show; What have I missed?	20:52
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trip0	what's the deal with mono on the n900?	20:54
trip0	Lullen: it means that you have a constructor 'DietSettings(QWidget*) in your header and it's not implemented in your cpp file	20:55
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Lullen	now it works:)	20:59
trip0	of course it does ;)	21:00
trip0	where's the wiki on using autobuilder?	21:00
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DrGrov	How is AutoDisconnect working really? Does it work without needing to run the application in the background?	21:25
vldcnst	isn't it open source?	21:25
* DocScrutinizer drops a note to Stskeeps and GAN900 about complete uselessness of banning particular IP addr which obviously are dynamic		21:30
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valdyn	DrGrov: no	21:30
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flailingmonkey	I vote for +q on user	21:31
flailingmonkey	@. or w/e	21:32
DocScrutinizer	[2010-06-24 20:31:55] [Bannliste: #maemo] !user@74.198.38.251 eingetragen von Stskeeps am 2010-06-24 17:05	21:32
DocScrutinizer	nonsense	21:33
DocScrutinizer	[Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:57:47] <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: to me a +b !user@74.198.. feels a sane thing to do	21:34
DocScrutinizer	[Di 22. Juni 2010] [18:59:02] <Gizmokid2005> DocScrutinizer: why would you ban a whole class B?	21:34
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: makes sense, feel free to do that	21:34
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: I'm thoroughly fed up with dealing with it, as I got nothing but flames and fuzzy answers and other chanops reverting what I had been set after carefully thinking about how to do the best thing for the channel	21:36
luke-jr	anyone here good with pendulums?	21:36
Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: i've changed my opinion after reviewing logs of users from same IP range.	21:37
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DocScrutinizer	I've changed my opinion about feeling involved in this particular topic	21:37
DrGrov	valdyn: so i need to keep the application multitasking in the background? wtf? should not that work by default?	21:37
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DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: drop a note to crashanddie not to delete it in 30min	21:38
mortini	that isp spans that /16, tho	21:39
Stskeeps	yeah, the CIDR is right	21:39
mortini	oh, duh.	21:39
* mortini lrn2read.		21:39
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valdyn	DrGrov: you cannot see most processes in the task manager, and you cannot see the autodisconnect daemons either	21:42
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valdyn	DrGrov: no idea why you are wtfing this...	21:43
valdyn	DrGrov: the autodiconnect configuration tool does not need to be running	21:44
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DrGrov	valdyn: ah, then that was what i mean. that it does not need to be running.	21:52
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DrGrov	valdyn: i misunderstood you that is why i wtfcked it	21:54
* GAN900 hands DocScrutinizer some chocolate.		21:55
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DocScrutinizer	seems my sctp server isn't running (secure chocolate transfer protocol)	21:58
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DocScrutinizer	I suspect soime nasty greedy Cisco router ate it	22:00
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Wolfie	so, how can I enter a full WPA2 hex key into my n900? it doens't allow me to enter the last hex	22:01
flailingmonkey	there is an app that lets you	22:02
* DocScrutinizer sighs		22:02
zash	flailingmonkey: you mean "there's a hack for that" ;)	22:02
flailingmonkey	as you found, the one in the current firmware isn't able to	22:02
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yigal	why is Modest an even poorer email client than it was in Diablo? :)	22:03
Wolfie	flailingmonkey: where can I find this app?	22:03
Stskeeps	yigal: that wonders me at times too. i loved the pre-modest one	22:03
DocScrutinizer	yigal: that's caled progress	22:03
yigal	:D	22:04
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yigal	I mean the older Modest one could use the menu key and quickly move to another account, and at least there was some search capabilities. It's very funny, how limited this Modest is.	22:05
* SpeedEvil notes that modest is open-source.		22:05
SpeedEvil	apt-get remove modest	22:05
SpeedEvil	apt-get install elm	22:05
SpeedEvil	(or more sensibly, a version of modest where you've fixed the bugs you complain of)	22:06
Venemo	hey guys	22:06
flailingmonkey	SpeedEvil: you know you can't apt-get remove modest	22:06
yigal	SpeedEvil: ah, if I were such a pro at coding I would be very happy	22:06
yigal	flailingmonkey: you can, but with consequences	22:06
Venemo	could anyone tell me what the problem is with the auto-builder?	22:06
SpeedEvil	flailingmonkey: you can remove modest	22:06
SpeedEvil	I have	22:06
flailingmonkey	don't tease us :P	22:06
flailingmonkey	Venemo: ahoy	22:06
SpeedEvil	flailingmonkey: apt-get remove modest worked.	22:06
SpeedEvil	Consequences?	22:07
yigal	SpeedEvil: it didn't remove anything else?	22:07
yigal	SpeedEvil: interesting	22:07
SpeedEvil	dunno	22:07
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SpeedEvil	It shouldn't remove anything other than stuff that only depends on it	22:07
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yigal	just reading, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41539	22:07
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Venemo	re	22:07
flailingmonkey	really? I thought it was in that firmware metapackage	22:07
Venemo	sorry, I got disconnected	22:08
yigal	SpeedEvil: I'm enlarging Easy Debian image right now, I'll check after that's done	22:08
SpeedEvil	(I never used it, and it used up a dozen meg or so of RAM)	22:08
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SpeedEvil	apt-get install modest only wants to install one package	22:08
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flailingmonkey	for me, it would remove mp-fremantle-002-pr	22:10
flailingmonkey	so, yeah	22:10
yigal	SpeedEvil: sure, but that doesn't mean it wasn't part of a larger metapackage initially	22:10
yigal	right	22:10
SpeedEvil	I'm not saying that's not the case - simply that I have noticed no consequences in the month I've had it uninstalled	22:10
SpeedEvil	(well - other than having more free RAM)	22:11
yigal	SpeedEvil: good to hear	22:11
yigal	I imagine I will follow suit shortly	22:11
yigal	I like mutt, but the ui isn't really designed for a small touchscreen imo	22:11
flailingmonkey	a bunch of useful packages were automatically installed by modest, so apt thinks they are no longer needed	22:12
flailingmonkey	so don't run apt-get autoremove :P	22:12
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flailingmonkey	like, rtcom-accounts-voip-support, and cherry	22:12
yigal	or just manually install those packages	22:12
flailingmonkey	everyone needs cherry after all! ;)	22:13
yigal	or create a equivs metapackage	22:13
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DocScrutinizer	There's this fancy first-boot(?)-setup-wizard for region, language, and time/date, incredibly oversophisticated graphics (like a gambling machine) and same time basically unusable - not to mention those win2000-alike animated teaching assistant. I run into that 2 times now (2nd after rebooting when bat was removed for 12h). Is it still there in 1.2?	22:13
yigal	lol	22:13
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yigal	DocScrutinizer: never saw that, n900 used my cell provider for all of that	22:14
yigal	as far as I can remember?	22:14
DocScrutinizer	hehe, I booted without SIM	22:14
valdyn	yigal: remove battery and see	22:14
flailingmonkey	i've seen it, if you leave battery unplugged long enough	22:15
yigal	interesting, I hope I will never have to	22:15
flailingmonkey	no SIM will too	22:15
DocScrutinizer	so I gather it's still there and still nusable	22:16
DocScrutinizer	un*	22:16
flailingmonkey	SpeedEvil: did you remove mp-fremantle-002-pr as well as modest	22:16
flailingmonkey	DocScrutinizer: don't know what you mean by unusable	22:16
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DocScrutinizer	it's like a fortune wheel. A royal PITA to get he right setting	22:17
DocScrutinizer	much too much balistic scrolling	22:17
DocScrutinizer	too less dampening	22:17
flailingmonkey	its iPhone-y	22:18
DocScrutinizer	and you can't click-select a value out of the list, you need to scroll it to the "hit&win" center field	22:18
flailingmonkey	but without enough tuning	22:18
DocScrutinizer	makes me want to smash the N900 to next wall	22:19
yigal	makes me love Diablo	22:19
DocScrutinizer	some serious wanking of a UX-guy	22:20
flailingmonkey	keyboard support would have been smart addition, but its not frequently used	22:20
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DocScrutinizer	and for time/date this widget is as odd as it can possibly get	22:21
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DocScrutinizer	nah, wait. maybe the time thing was brilliant. Almost forgot the whole unpleasant experience	22:22
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luke-jr	any idea what the part that connects the pendulum to the gear is called?	22:22
yigal	?	22:22
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yigal	luke-jr: input shaft, although I don't know the context	22:23
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luke-jr	building a clock	22:24
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zash	luke-jr: "hook" or something like that	22:26
zash	duno what it's in english	22:27
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luke-jr	found it.. anchor	22:31
zash	huh	22:32
zash	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchor_escapement	22:32
DocScrutinizer51	flailingmonkey: any idea how long a battery removal it needs to make that setting madness thing pop up on boot?	22:32
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valdyn	DocScrutinizer51: sim change does it in no time	22:32
zash	luke-jr: escapement would be the generetic term	22:33
DocScrutinizer51	it's hard to chane NO sim	22:33
flailingmonkey	nope, no clue	22:34
SpeedEvil	flailingmonkey: All I did was apt-get remove modest - I'm quite sure of that	22:34
* DocScrutinizer51 goes scrutinizing the schematics, particularly the backup battery details		22:34
SpeedEvil	flailingmonkey: I upgraded PR1->1.1->1.1.1->1.2 - OTA though	22:35
SpeedEvil	flailingmonkey: maybe that has an impact	22:35
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flailingmonkey	SpeedEvil: when did you remove modest?	22:36
flailingmonkey	I've only upgraded by OTA so far, flasher virgin right here	22:37
DocScrutinizer51	well, the bupbat seems to work like expected. some 10min of bat removed don't cause loss of RTC, nor do they make the gambling machine show up	22:38
flailingmonkey	mhm	22:39
flailingmonkey	if you have a sim, maybe you should put one in	22:39
flailingmonkey	are you avoiding cherry?	22:39
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SpeedEvil	flailingmonkey: about a couple of months ago, I think	22:40
SpeedEvil	flailingmonkey: If you really want to know grep for speedevil.*modest	22:41
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flailingmonkey	alright. I wonder if I can upload a package that depends on all the same packages as mp-fremantle-002-pr, so that installing it will allow removal of the PR package	22:42
DocScrutinizer51	flailingmonkey: yep, cherrysquashing pending	22:42
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flailingmonkey	and then I would be able to have that replacement package not pin versions, allowing newer versions of packages to be released and updated to between PRs	22:44
flailingmonkey	would work/won't work?	22:44
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* SpeedEvil has no clue.		22:47
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SpeedEvil	Anyone happen to know if 'javascript pausing' got pushed upstream and might turn up in FF?	22:49
Rabidus	joo	22:50
Rabidus	läksispä sitte	22:50
Rabidus	oops, sorry	22:50
yigal	now that you've done it, ough	22:50
yigal	:D	22:50
yigal	flailingmonkey: it would work	22:51
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flailingmonkey	after doing that, you wouldn't automatically update to the next PR	22:52
yigal	I don't know enough	22:53
flailingmonkey	perhaps a program would check when a new PR is available, and fix you up to update to the new release	22:53
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yigal	sounds doable in theory	22:56
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yigal	In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.	22:57
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DrGrov	The D-THEME SimpleBlue has some annoying bugs.	23:05
DrGrov	It is a difficult theme to use since it constantly lags when opening shortcuts or closing them.	23:06
DrGrov	Scrolling in menus lags as well	23:06
DrGrov	Why put a theme in the extras repository when it is clearly still almost like it belongs in testing repository?	23:07
DrGrov	Just curious to know that is all	23:07
trip0	how long does it normally take to get an upload invite after requesting?	23:09
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flailingmonkey	DrGrov: all it takes is votes, and those people are supposed to try it out first	23:16
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DrGrov	flailingmonkey: ok, i think i will the theme a second chance though. i presume it is a bit of a slow starter in the beginning after a fresh reboot.	23:20
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flailingmonkey	if it still sucks, vote it down :P	23:27
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DocScrutinizer	flailingmonkey: voting down apps in extras?	23:53
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flailingmonkey	oh, right.. it got into extras	23:54
DocScrutinizer	ok, bme is definitely buggy	23:54
DocScrutinizer	really buggy	23:55
DocScrutinizer	I always thought Nokia/maemo was better on battery charging and management than Openmoko. I start to doubt	23:56
DocScrutinizer	I mean, keeping the device in a ACT_DEAD semi powered up state, while no charger is attached, and no indicator light or any screen display would let you know. That's about as bad as it can get	23:58
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