IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-05-25

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mintux1	crashanddie: how do you know I don't do that	00:00
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mintux1	crashanddie: I don't remember you answer any my question . so please speak from you self not everyone in this channel	00:01
lcuk	mintux1, sshfs is what you would need to create a file system branch, but im not even sure (a) if its on n900, and (b) whether you can map to the MyDocs	00:01
crashanddie	mintux1: because if you googled "maemo mount ssh" you'd find half a million hits	00:01
mintux1	I didn't know I can mount ssh	00:01
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mintux1	and I see it now here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24135&highlight=sftp	00:02
zaheerm-lp	you asked "can I mount ssh" :)	00:02
DocScrutinizer51	~tell mintux1 about question	00:02
lcuk	hold on, he did ask that	00:02
mintux1	and I'm looking for software	00:02
lcuk	<mintux1> can I mount ssh to file manager ?	00:02
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lejonet	Hmm, what is the average time you'd have to wait for it to boot into flash mode?	00:04
DocScrutinizer51	3s	00:04
lcuk	lejonet, i dunno i have my machine upside down	00:04
lcuk	remove battery, plug in usb leads, start flasher, wait till it says 'device not detected', put in battery, profit	00:05
lejonet	lcuk: That made sense... :P	00:05
MohammadAG	while inserting the battery	00:05
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MohammadAG	yes it did	00:05
MohammadAG	:P	00:05
mintux1	lcuk: if I know it's possible to mount ssh it's not need ask here and search in maemo forum . in my ubuntu I have connect to in nautilus and use this . I didn't know what should I look for	00:05
Appiah	apt-get install sshfs	00:05
lcuk	mintux1, the file manager installed by default on maemo just views the MyDocs folder	00:05
lejonet	MohammadAG: I'll give it a whirl, right now it is just stuck with the Nokia logo on a white background and the USB icon in the right upper corner	00:05
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lcuk	so if you make a sshfs mountpoint within there you should be able to browse normally with it	00:06
Appiah	sshfs myuser@atsomeremotehost:/path/to/dir /path/to/my/mountpoint	00:06
lcuk	but i dont know if sshfs is available as i said	00:06
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Appiah	well I have it	00:06
lcuk	good	00:06
Appiah	dunno which repo it came from ...	00:06
Appiah	think its in extra	00:06
MohammadAG	lejonet, which OS?	00:06
lejonet	MohammadAG: it is an N900, so Maemo 5 I think	00:07
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MohammadAG	PC side...	00:07
lejonet	oh :P Sorry, Linux	00:07
MohammadAG	distro?	00:07
lejonet	Ubuntu atm, it is doing the same thing with my 32-bit chroot in Gentoo tho :/	00:07
MohammadAG	Ubuntu 10.04 has problems detecting my N900	00:07
lejonet	It is 9.04	00:07
MohammadAG	hmm	00:08
MohammadAG	shouldn't cause probs	00:08
MohammadAG	do as lcuk said	00:08
MohammadAG	remove battery, plug usb, execute command, plug in battery	00:08
lejonet	I have, I have just now started the flasher and it is at Suitable USB device not found	00:08
lejonet	Battery removed	00:08
MohammadAG	plug the battery	00:08
MohammadAG	with the usb connected	00:08
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DocScrutinizer51	sometimes even a boot of host PC (eeeeeww) might help	00:09
lejonet	Yeah, it reacted with going to the start screen with the nokia logo, and a quick flash of the usb logo in the corner and then it went into the bootloop it seems like	00:10
MohammadAG	you lost me after boot	00:10
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MohammadAG	lejonet, sure the usb is connected to the PC? (i spent half an hour trying different methods then noticed it wasn't connected)	00:10
ZogG	MohammadAG go to sleep you have exam tomorroqw	00:11
MohammadAG	oh i forgot	00:11
MohammadAG	it's at 1:30 anyways	00:11
DocScrutinizer51	/kick MohammadAG	00:11
lejonet	MohammadAG: Yes, 100% positive, I can try another USB port if that might do something?	00:11
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, do it!	00:11
MohammadAG	that helps sometimes	00:11
lejonet	One thing to note is that I did not press the 'u' button when I had inserted the battery	00:12
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer51, if you don't do it i'll do it	00:12
MohammadAG	lejonet, you don't need to	00:12
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lejonet	MohammadAG: Hmm, what am I doing wrong then?	00:12
MohammadAG	i have no idea	00:12
MohammadAG	umm	00:12
DocScrutinizer51	lejonet: please also read the wiki	00:12
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MohammadAG	do the routine u thing	00:12
MohammadAG	and check dmesg	00:12
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lejonet	DocScrutinizer51: I have, it is not that detailed :/	00:13
MohammadAG	anyone good at sketching?	00:13
MohammadAG	need N900 sketches	00:13
lcuk	lejonet, did the flasher tool change from saying device not detected?	00:13
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MohammadAG	the wiki needs to have them	00:13
MohammadAG	lcuk, nope	00:13
crashanddie	MohammadAG: a few guys on TMO are very good -- made on N900 as well	00:13
DocScrutinizer51	err it's not? I posted a quote from flasher README lately	00:13
lejonet	lcuk: Yes, and then went back to saying device not detected	00:13
lcuk	what did it say?	00:14
MohammadAG	went back?	00:14
MohammadAG	crashanddie, I wanted slightly detailed N900 sketches :)	00:14
crashanddie	MohammadAG: http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp200/Slaxe/Boy2.jpg	00:14
MohammadAG	not those kind of sketches	00:14
MohammadAG	umm sec	00:14
crashanddie	MohammadAG: if they can draw that on a N900, they can draw an n900	00:14
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MohammadAG	crashanddie, good point :)	00:15
lejonet	it said USB device found and where, found the device RX-51 and hw revision, NOLO version, Version of sw release and then "Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting"	00:15
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crashanddie	MohammadAG: this guy seems to do inanimate objects as well: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656621&postcount=58	00:15
mece	uf I feel inspired to do a little programming perhaps..	00:16
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lejonet	... siigh, I guess that is what I get for playing around with that power user kernel -.-	00:17
MohammadAG	it shouldn't touch NOLO	00:17
MohammadAG	afaik it can't touch NOLO...	00:17
lejonet	Well it only lists the version of NOLO	00:18
lejonet	1.4.14	00:18
MohammadAG	meaning nolo exists	00:18
MohammadAG	which means it should go into flashing mode	00:18
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lejonet	Well it does say that it is booting the device into flash mode	00:18
MohammadAG	actually it is in flashing mode, your PC isn't detecting it for reason	00:18
lejonet	Yeah, something goes wrong when it boots to flash mode	00:19
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MohammadAG	check dmesg	00:19
MohammadAG	on your PC	00:19
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lejonet	Because that is when the computer outputs "Suitable device not found, waiting." Again	00:19
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lejonet	It notices an new high speed USB device, choses configuration and then USB is disconnected ad infinitum	00:21
lejonet	The USB address is incremented each time	00:21
lcuk	lejonet, reboot laptop	00:21
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lcuk	windows fix! :D	00:21
MohammadAG	lcuk, not while it's doing something to the registry :P	00:22
lejonet	lcuk: Yeah, ubuntu is a bit like that sometimes :P	00:22
lcuk	mine only allows me to flash once	00:22
lcuk	then says its busy with usb	00:22
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lejonet	Time to do the same procedure with an newly rebooted computer	00:23
MohammadAG	i have to take the battery out on my i5	00:23
MohammadAG	but my lappy works fine	00:23
lcuk	you have to disconnect form the internet	00:23
lcuk	from	00:23
lejonet	lcuk: I am doing it from another computer :P	00:23
lcuk	cheat	00:23
MohammadAG	lol	00:23
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* lejonet loves that he has an Eee 900 that he bought dead cheap as a victim :P		00:24
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-24 23:09:57] <DocScrutinizer51> sometimes even a boot of host PC (eeeeeww) might help	00:24
MohammadAG	victim of what lol	00:24
lejonet	I think I paid around 110$ for it :P	00:24
lejonet	MohammadAG: My experiments :P	00:24
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lejonet	DocScrutinizer: Yes we know, just wanted to rule out other possibilities first	00:24
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lejonet	:P	00:25
DocScrutinizer	as soon as your host PC modprobes some drivers for USB that don't behave, you're pretty busted. Reboot!	00:25
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, this episode of house reminds me of you xD	00:25
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lejonet	Hmm, this time when doing the same thing it doesnt find the device even :/	00:27
loufoque	what is PR1.2?	00:27
tripzero	noone knows	00:27
loufoque	I see that everywhere on the net	00:27
tripzero	just ignore it and it'll go away	00:28
DocScrutinizer	A placebo made by Bayer	00:28
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MohammadAG	lol	00:29
MohammadAG	battery low	00:29
DocScrutinizer	~pr.1.2	00:29
lejonet	MohammadAG: It doesnt react to the 'u' key method thingy now either :/	00:29
DocScrutinizer	~pr1.2	00:29
infobot	i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.	00:29
MohammadAG	lejonet, rereboot?	00:29
lejonet	MohammadAG: siiigh :P	00:29
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MohammadAG	lejonet, use your current PC?	00:29
lejonet	MohammadAG: I guess I could try that again	00:30
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loufoque	I'm not asking when it's coming, I'm asking what the hell it is	00:30
lejonet	An update	00:31
loufoque	that I could deduce.	00:31
DocScrutinizer	lejonet: you've read http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing ?	00:31
MohammadAG	it ends world hunger	00:31
MohammadAG	but seriously...	00:31
loufoque	but what are its important improvements	00:31
MohammadAG	it includes Qt4.6.2	00:31
MohammadAG	and other bug fixes	00:32
MohammadAG	it's pretty overhyped if you ask me	00:32
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lejonet	DocScrutinizer: Yes, a few times	00:32
DocScrutinizer	lejonet: seen the >>from README_Flasher-3.5_beta coming with the flasher dowload tgz:<< quote?	00:32
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lejonet	DocScrutinizer: THe one about the removing try and stuff?	00:33
lejonet	battery*	00:33
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lejonet	With my gentoo computer it atleast notices what vendorid and such and what it is, Nokia USB ROM	00:35
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lejonet	but then after it gets to all that it disconnects	00:35
loufoque	MohammadAG: ok, nothing major then	00:36
DocScrutinizer	lejonet: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Linux all the way thru >>from README_Flasher-3.5_beta coming with the flasher dowload tgz:<< until (and maybe including) http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image	00:36
lejonet	DocScrutinizer: That is the procedure I am trying to do	00:36
GAN900	crashanddie, how goes the job search?	00:36
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DocScrutinizer	these are actually TWO slightly different methods	00:36
DocScrutinizer	both seem to work, if your PC doesn't throw sticks at your legs	00:37
loufoque	anyone knows I can tell maemo to use the GPS for the clock? GPSJinni reports the correct time, but the time reported by maemo (which I assume is that of GSM) is completely off	00:37
lejonet	Yeah, like mine apparently like to do	00:37
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, he can't flash anything if he isn't in flashing mode	00:37
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MohammadAG	HOWEVER	00:37
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MohammadAG	flashing the kernel while the device is in any mode worksforme	00:37
MohammadAG	battery low	00:38
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ptl	Does changing the default theme for any theme whatsoever makes the use of memory increase?	00:38
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: he clearly stated all the indicators he IS in flashing mode	00:39
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lejonet	Well lets try all this with a fresh reboot of this PC too	00:40
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, wasn't it the opposite?	00:40
MohammadAG	or actually the pc doesn't detect it	00:40
DocScrutinizer	alas even when N900 enters flashing mode correctly, some PC OS prefer to occupy the USB by greedy drivers that block the flasher. That's my take on it	00:40
MohammadAG	ubuntu shouldn't do that	00:41
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mintux1	my some folder icons like images/ camera/documents / video clips are repeat twice is it a bug ? http://img6.tinypic.info/files/3g36q48l12ymjs2gy6e8.png	00:41
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: <lejonet> it said USB device found and where, found the device RX-51 and hw revision, NOLO version, Version of sw release and then "Booting device into flash mode. Suitable USB device not found, waiting"	00:41
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lejonet	Well, lets try this from CLI in gentoo then	00:42
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, last part :)	00:42
lejonet	Less things loaded, less things the computer is occupied with :P	00:43
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, problem is his PC, not the N900	00:43
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-24 23:05:54] <lejonet> MohammadAG: I'll give it a whirl, right now it is just stuck with the Nokia logo on a white background and the USB icon in the right upper corner	00:43
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: Did I claim anything different?	00:44
lejonet	Well, the flasher aint reacting that way anymore...	00:45
DocScrutinizer	btw, sometimes some users thanked me for that...	00:45
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DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: sleep!	00:45
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lejonet	DocScrutinizer: could the fact that I am doing this in a 32-bit chroot from an AMD64-bit system without multilib affect the whole thing?	00:46
DocScrutinizer	yes, for sure	00:47
lejonet	Well the only 32-bit system I have is my Eee 900 with ubuntu 9.04	00:47
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lejonet	And even there it stopped reacting on it...	00:48
DocScrutinizer	USB access is wacky from all virtual and chroot environments	00:48
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ptl	what about theming? Does it use more memory?	00:48
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lejonet	ptl: No, unless the new theme has more animated stuff I guess	00:49
DocScrutinizer	lejonet: a silly question - you're starting flasher on PC under root?	00:49
ptl	lejonet: hmmm, k, thx	00:49
lejonet	DocScrutinizer: Yes :P	00:49
DocScrutinizer	kk	00:49
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lejonet	on ubuntu PC it was with sudo, in chroot I am root by default	00:50
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MohammadAG	grrr	00:50
DocScrutinizer	lejonet: yeah, but only for your "virtual" chrooted devices	00:50
lejonet	DocScrutinizer: Well I started the chroot as root too	00:51
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG, go to sleep!!!	00:51
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, the sleep bit killed my N900	00:51
DocScrutinizer	lol	00:51
DocScrutinizer	YOU should sleep, not your N900 ;-P	00:51
lejonet	I need to get my N900 to work, it is mine alarm clock lol :P	00:51
tripzero	+1 for the n900 alarm clock	00:52
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, you did the wrong command then	00:52
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DocScrutinizer	hmm, I'm running short of options	00:52
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MohammadAG	my body's ssh server runs on a port ouside the range	00:52
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lejonet	Luckily I still have my work phone, but I kinda need my N900 to work lol :P	00:54
lejonet	I guess I should let it charge the battery over the night and bash at it again tomorrow, it is late	00:54
MohammadAG	lol	00:54
DocScrutinizer	lejonet: you might want to check lsmod and see if you find any suspicious drivers to modprobe -r. But that's no cooking receipe for beginners	00:54
lejonet	DocScrutinizer: I think i'll manage, been running gentoo for 2 years :P	00:54
DocScrutinizer	on your host PC	00:54
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DocScrutinizer	things like cdc_ether, _nokia etc come to mind	00:55
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DocScrutinizer	see what keeps usb locked	00:55
lejonet	Well the only USB mods in lsmod was bluetooth related stuff	00:56
DocScrutinizer	o.O	00:56
DocScrutinizer	mass_storage	00:57
DocScrutinizer	dunno what else	00:57
lejonet	I have that compiled in the kernel	00:57
mece	is attila ever on here?	00:57
mece	~seen attila77	00:57
infobot	i haven't seen 'attila77', mece	00:57
mece	hmm	00:57
lejonet	I'll give it a go tomorrow, i'll use my workphone as alarm clock tonight	00:57
* lejonet is glad he forgot to leave it at work		00:57
lejonet	DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, lcuk: Thank you for your attempts to help me, I will probably be back tomorrow :P	00:58
DocScrutinizer	yw	00:58
MohammadAG	np :)	00:58
lejonet	With a fresh brain (hopefully) and some more time	00:58
* lejonet sometimes wishes he didn't fiddled with every electronic device he gets across :P		00:59
DocScrutinizer	nah, that's why we buy those gadgets after all	01:03
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lejonet	Very true	01:05
lejonet	I doubt this goes under warranty either :P I did afterall cause it myself with untested software (It all happened when I tried to uninstall the "Enhanced linux kernel for power users")	01:05
GAN900	mece, achipa	01:06
mece	yees?	01:06
mece	aah	01:06
mece	ok	01:06
mece	attila is achipa?	01:06
mece	~seen achipa	01:06
infobot	achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 46m 10s ago, saying: 'if there are any extra fixes in there, they could have been just as well applied to libqt4-maemo5'.	01:06
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DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-24 23:11:07] <ZogG> MohammadAG go to sleep you have exam tomorroqw	01:06
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-24 23:11:14] <MohammadAG> oh i forgot	01:06
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-24 23:11:25] <DocScrutinizer51> /kick MohammadAG	01:06
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-24 23:11:43] <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, do it!	01:07
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MohammadAG	meh	01:07
DocScrutinizer	any questions, Mr Watson?	01:08
satmd	mh. trying it here, too.... anyone familiar with maps generation in png? just state boundaries + marked positions?	01:08
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil might	01:09
satmd	ok, have something	01:09
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, got our vicodin?	01:09
MohammadAG	:P	01:09
MohammadAG	your* lol	01:09
DocScrutinizer	since 3, 6th season I'm clean ;-P	01:10
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DocScrutinizer	(though I guess I'm cheating)	01:11
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SpeedEvil	satmd: #osm	01:11
SpeedEvil	satmd: over on irc.oftc.net	01:11
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SpeedEvil	I just woke up - what?	01:12
* DocScrutinizer waiting for crashanddie telling it's not been 6,3, and the exact name of the episode		01:12
satmd	thx	01:12
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: a good time to wake up, it's actually nice outside (though I'm a few 100km away from you, so can't know for sure what's your weather)	01:14
SpeedEvil	9C and cloudy	01:15
DocScrutinizer	eeeeqw	01:15
DocScrutinizer	19° here	01:15
DocScrutinizer	3/4	01:15
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mece	hey does maemo-optify make synlinks to binaries?	01:25
mece	sym even	01:25
lbt	is 1.2 out yet then?	01:27
mece	~pr1.2	01:27
infobot	i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.	01:27
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lbt	aw	01:28
FauxFaux	Surely the device will notify when there's updates..?	01:28
mece	it will	01:28
mece	but It only checks like once a day, so unless you go poking at the app manager it wont notice right away.	01:29
FauxFaux	Oh no!	01:29
jacekowski	http://leanmeanfightingmachine.posterous.com/welsh-asda-pizza-complaint	01:30
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mece	building wesnoth.. hopefully optified this time..	01:32
ponyofdeath	anyone know of an good prog to share the 3g connections through the wifi with the power kernel?	01:33
DocScrutinizer	23:59 worst case not noticing a fresh new version -unbearable!!11!!!1!!!	01:33
DocScrutinizer	nah, I bet you'll notice when the internets go mad over it	01:34
DocScrutinizer	will take an estimated 79s	01:34
mece	I've managed to package a lot of things already, but I'm still baffled amount of trouble it causes.	01:34
mece	yeah :D	01:35
Dima202	Mobile HotSpot	01:35
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DocScrutinizer	yoghurtsport?	01:36
DocScrutinizer	errr...	01:36
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crashanddie	DocScrutinizer: did you say that the rumoured date was wednesday?	01:37
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DocScrutinizer	nah, not me	01:37
crashanddie	MohammadAG:	01:38
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crashanddie	did you?	01:38
DocScrutinizer	I hope he's asleep	01:38
crashanddie	because I just remembered something	01:38
crashanddie	Wednesday's my birthday :)	01:38
MohammadAG	crashanddie, sec	01:38
DocScrutinizer	there was even a URL to a blog about a facebook post in this chan today	01:39
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MohammadAG	http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/nokia-n900-pr-1-2-firmware-coming-this-wednesday/ crashanddie	01:39
crashanddie	hang on, a blog about a facebook post?	01:39
MohammadAG	sadly	01:39
DocScrutinizer	lol	01:39
MohammadAG	I said it was a rumor	01:39
DocScrutinizer	yeah, a friend of the father of my granny's dog heard somebody wispering...	01:40
crashanddie	damn	01:40
crashanddie	would be nice for my bday though	01:40
SpeedEvil	I have also - really - heard comments it's 'happening soon' from someone who knows someone.	01:40
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crashanddie	SpeedEvil: sure, and i was told pr1.2 was definitely coming out before pr1.3	01:40
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, I hear it's coming before January	01:40
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* SpeedEvil looks over at January.		01:41
* SpeedEvil sets vibrate mode.		01:41
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DocScrutinizer	crashanddie: I doubt even that ;-P	01:41
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DocScrutinizer	now if nokia had good marketing dudes, thy'd rename the thing to 2.0 anyway	01:43
SpeedEvil	Look at how much better web 2.0 is.	01:43
DocScrutinizer	"see, it took a while, but now we're up with something really fresh and new"	01:43
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, yeah, I have facebook now, that thing has been of so much use to me...	01:44
DocScrutinizer	"1.2 wasn't that great, and we felt we owe our custumers nothing less than the best, so here it is: PR2.0"	01:44
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DocScrutinizer	>>music, cheerleaders dancing across your N900 screen<<	01:46
SpeedEvil	They'll break it!	01:46
SpeedEvil	I lost my last laptop that way.	01:46
DocScrutinizer	they were drilled ;-) in a whatdoyacallit-camp	01:47
DocScrutinizer	on thin polar ice	01:47
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DocScrutinizer	that's why it took so long - in winter the ice is too strong	01:49
DocScrutinizer	they wouldn't learn how to treat the LCD nicely	01:49
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zaheerm-lp	lardman, you had an issue with gl_FUNC_ARGZ macro finding in scratchbox when compiling libchamplain, did you ever fix it?	01:51
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DocScrutinizer	btw, SpeedEvil - you got strange hobbies. Having cheerleaders step on your laptop screen ;-P	01:55
lcuk	DocScrutinizer, generally you tend to let cheerleaders do pretty much what they want	01:56
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lcuk	pr1.2 has gotten boobie shots anyway	01:57
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DocScrutinizer	lol	01:57
DocScrutinizer	to scare steve I guess	01:57
FauxFaux	What it needs is a catchy name. How about "Froyo"?	01:57
DocScrutinizer	sound like my dog's food	01:58
DocScrutinizer	(though I got no dog anyway :-D )	01:58
DocScrutinizer	aah: side note http://www.fremantlemedia.com/home.aspx	02:00
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loufoque	is there an app that automatically hacks WEP networks?	02:01
loufoque	that would be cool	02:01
DocScrutinizer	it's called aircrack	02:02
DocScrutinizer	extras-devel iirc	02:03
DocScrutinizer	but it doesn't "hack", it does a security audit ;-)	02:05
DocScrutinizer	and it has a bug :-S	02:06
SpeedEvil	It doesn't support xkcd-config?	02:08
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loufoque_	what's best, butterfly, pecan or haze?	02:35
loufoque_	for msn	02:35
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opdf2	How long is Dataviz ToGo Suite trial?	02:47
opdf2	oh nm premium coming soon, I'll wait for that	02:48
Arkenoi	DtG sucks	02:49
Arkenoi	well, it is fast	02:49
Arkenoi	but maemo version is outdated	02:49
Arkenoi	and i doubt there will be update soon	02:49
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Psi	does samba (server) work ok on n900? I see it in the repo	02:56
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accessdenied5k	hi ich habe mal ne frage jemand da ?	02:58
accessdenied5k	or english ?	02:59
Ikarus	accessdenied5k: English would be more practical	02:59
Psi	^	02:59
accessdenied5k	sorry for me english i have question i have the apad can i make maemo installed ?	02:59
accessdenied5k	http://www.ipmart.com/main/product/APad,China,iPad,,7,0,Inch,Touch,Screen,Tablet,PC,MID,Entertainment,and,Internet,Device,,With,OS,Android,1,5,,,Silver,204092.php?prod=204092	03:00
Ikarus	accessdenied5k: I'm afraid your on your own with that	03:00
Ikarus	though it might be possible	03:00
Psi	its possible, but you'd need to write lots of code to get it all working	03:01
accessdenied5k	ahhh okay	03:01
MohammadAG	chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory any ideas?	03:02
Ikarus	MohammadAG: by default bash isn't installed	03:02
Ikarus	run chroot /bin/sh ?	03:02
Ikarus	err	03:02
MohammadAG	Ikarus, on my PC	03:02
Ikarus	MohammadAG: errr, install bash ? heck, wonder why you lack it	03:02
MohammadAG	umm, bash is installed..	03:03
Ikarus	MohammadAG: is it installed inside the chroot aswell ?	03:03
MohammadAG	chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': No such file or directory	03:03
MohammadAG	yeah	03:03
accessdenied5k	thx for reply bye	03:03
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MohammadAG	mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ ls /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash	03:03
MohammadAG	/mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash	03:03
Ikarus	MohammadAG: and how are you running chroot ?	03:04
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MohammadAG	chroot?	03:04
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MohammadAG	chroot /mnt/ubuntu /bin/bash	03:04
Ikarus	and is /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash executable ?	03:05
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MohammadAG	yes, chmod'd it	03:06
Ikarus	MohammadAG: is it mounted as non-exec ?	03:06
MohammadAG	/dev/sdb1 on /mnt/ubuntu type ext3 (rw)	03:06
MohammadAG	uhh	03:07
MohammadAG	root@mohammad-laptop:/mnt/ubuntu# ./bin/bash	03:07
MohammadAG	/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: /targets/links/scratchbox.config: No such file or directory	03:07
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Ikarus	# ls -l /mnt/ubuntu/bin/bash ?	03:08
MohammadAG	root@mohammad-laptop:/mnt/ubuntu# ls -l ./bin/bash	03:08
MohammadAG	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 617344 2010-01-04 21:09 ./bin/bash	03:08
Ikarus	blink	03:09
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DocScrutinizer	echo $PATH	03:22
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DocScrutinizer	oops, no	03:23
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b-man\|n900	just released netbeans for maemo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=674127#post674127 :)	03:36
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pigeon	heh	03:41
pigeon	how about eclipse next ;)	03:42
b-man\|n900	i think it would be too large lol	03:44
redeeman	haha	03:45
redeeman	im not sure the N900 is very suited for netbeans though	03:45
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b-man\|n900	true	03:53
b-man\|n900	it was mostly just an experiment :)	03:53
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ptl	it's cool anyway	04:06
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pupnik	Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang, when asked if the Atom Z6 processor could be competitive, quickly responded with a "not possible"	04:15
ptl	I'd like to be an interviewer for high-ranked individuals like that	04:16
ptl	I'd get the most embarrassing questions	04:16
ptl	I'd ask Nokia's CEO over and over again about flash for the N900 and PR1.2 and Ovi Store.	04:16
ptl	It would not even be an interview, it would be enthusiastic harassment.	04:17
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SpeedEvil	Unless they _have_ to talk to you, that simply won't get you another interview.	04:17
ptl	lol	04:17
ptl	Yes, I know.	04:17
ptl	But let me dream about the possibility, would ya?	04:17
SpeedEvil	I suggest you consider more possible actions.	04:18
SpeedEvil	For example - the supply of rotten eggs.	04:18
SpeedEvil	Or custard pies.	04:18
ptl	No, I was already flamed at tmo for suggesting beating Nokia's management with a huge piece of wood.	04:18
ptl	(these were not the exact words I used, of course	04:19
ptl	)	04:19
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zaheerm-lp	http://zaheer.merali.org/articles/2010/05/24/n900-and-maemo5-playing-vp8webm-live-stream/	04:30
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zaheerm-lp	android gets webm support in q4, maemo gets it before q2 is over :)	04:30
pupnik	nice zaheerm-lp	04:31
dmj726_devel	sweet!	04:31
pupnik	backdooring nintendo's gamecube http://www.clipser.com/watch_video/654716	04:32
ptl	lol	04:32
ptl	very cool indeed	04:32
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pupnik	funny	04:37
zaheerm-lp	enough vp8 stuff for me today, time to sleep	04:44
b-man\|n900	just took this picture yesterday with my device :) http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/photos/20100522_001.jpg	04:47
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pupnik	b-man\|n900: how far was the N900 from the flower?	04:51
* pupnik is amazed at the universe		04:51
SpeedEvil	You can focus sanely down to 7cm	04:52
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SpeedEvil	http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.520-1/	04:54
microlith	:( copying from sd card to internal memory is so slow	05:00
SpeedEvil	It is?	05:01
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ohwhyme	Does anyone know how to make opera mobile 10 display pages normally? (as in not mobile version)	05:09
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SpeedEvil	how normally?	05:12
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adnyxo	elo	05:13
ohwhyme	hey speedevil :p	05:17
ohwhyme	I mean it shows the mobile version of websites	05:17
ohwhyme	not the full webpage like on the desktop	05:17
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b-man\|n900	pupnik: about 1 1/2 inches away	05:31
SpeedEvil	ah\	05:33
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ohwhyme	:p	05:38
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microlith	note to self: don't copy stuff using easydebian	05:45
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Macer	microlith: what happened?	06:02
Macer	:)	06:02
Macer	i didn't have any problems saving to the mydocs dir from openoffice then uploading it somewhere else	06:02
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microlith	well	06:04
microlith	more like a mass copy (1.5GB) using PCFileMan slammed the CPU and took forever to ge 30%	06:05
microlith	whereas the maemo file manager did it in a minute or so	06:05
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ShadowJK	Usually it ends up saturating the emmc with /opt, $HOME and swap activity when you try to do your copy	06:16
ShadowJK	and emmc hates that and you get something like 300kbyte/s	06:16
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undrwater	where did all the n900 ppl go?	06:50
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njsf_	mee go	06:56
njsf_	just kidding	06:56
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undrwater	njsf_: is meego a bad word in here?	07:06
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microlith	:(	07:08
microlith	my IME is killng my dictionary	07:08
undrwater	IME?	07:09
microlith	input method editor	07:09
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njsf_	undrwater: not a bad word, just a roadblock consuming resources. maybe good for future, but stopping current users from getting needed updates from nokia (my opinion)	07:13
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undrwater	microlith: got it! :) like anthy	07:23
undrwater	njsf_: just reading that now...	07:23
undrwater	i hope there are some nice announcements in the next couple of months...i'm in the market for 3g now....but unhappy with the choices	07:24
microlith	undrwater: exactly, I've got it going (when ebview doesn't crash) but I'm not getting any conversion :/	07:25
microlith	and it won't insert what it does type	07:25
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pigeon	speaking of anthy, does anyone know if there's a mscim-anthy?	07:26
microlith	kimitake has been working on some anthy and mscim packages	07:27
pigeon	ah, cool	07:27
microlith	it works through a virtual keyboard, but I wasn't able to make it work	07:27
pigeon	i was wondering why there's only scim-anthy.	07:27
pigeon	does scim work differently from mscim on the n900?	07:29
microlith	no idea	07:29
microlith	kimitake would know more, I think	07:29
pigeon	ok, thanks.	07:29
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slonopotamus	is gst-dsp compatible with gst-plugins-dsp?	07:59
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izzox	Hey all I'm here to find a help in development of an aplet	08:07
izzox	Anyone arround with enough notions abt applets?	08:08
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FIQ	does maemo seriously not contain less? :(	08:51
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FIQ	what does PR stand for?	08:55
Stskeeps	public release?	08:55
FIQ	product release?	08:55
Stskeeps	:P	08:55
FIQ	ah	08:56
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FIQ	:p	08:56
Stskeeps	or product release	08:56
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FIQ	hmm...	08:56
FIQ	if PR1.2 is going to actually be released on wednesday, i need to clean up my root..	08:57
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Stskeeps	well, it is geek pride day today	08:58
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mece	/top Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ PR1.2 Should be out today	09:08
Stskeeps	next up is lindsay lohan quitting alcohol	09:08
Stskeeps	.. oh wait	09:08
* odin_ rubs hands		09:09
mece	haaa:D	09:09
mece	topic Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ PR1.2 Should be out today	09:09
mece	grr	09:09
mece	grr	09:09
mece	I'm not an op apparently :P	09:09
mece	anyway @PeterMeego: #PR1.2 FOR #N900 INCOMING. World's first Skype Video Call on the Go! OTA updates now started in UK. http://conversations.nokia.com/	09:09
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FIQ	hmm	09:11
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FIQ	but PR1.2 should have been released tomorrow?	09:11
mece	an official problems with upgrading thread will be needed...	09:11
mece	FIQ, haa!	09:11
FIQ	hm	09:11
FIQ	nice that PR1.2 is incoming anyway	09:12
Surfa	FIQ, you heard this from where?	09:12
FIQ	planet maemo	09:12
FIQ	some sources	09:12
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Surfa	remember to breath while waiting	09:12
FIQ	rootfs 227.9M 209.2M 14.5M 93% /	09:12
FIQ	>.>	09:13
Stskeeps	http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/	09:13
* FIQ must get some cleanup done		09:13
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reggna	Stskeeps: Thanks for sharing. :)	09:14
Trewas	so no meego to n900, at least they managed to announce some bad news along with pr1.2	09:15
FIQ	aw	09:15
Surfa	Trewas, was it really news?	09:15
* FIQ doesn't live in UK		09:15
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Surfa	I thought that was clear for some time ago that there won't be officially supported meego version :)	09:16
Stskeeps	harmattan's called meego too	09:16
Stskeeps	:P	09:16
Trewas	maybe I haven't been following closely enough, but I thought the official stance has been "we don't know yet" until now	09:17
Surfa	"Officially we don't know yet, but it is highly unlikely" was stated at some point	09:17
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Surfa	but well, i think everyone who really want's to have it.. can do so with relatively stable community version	09:19
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Surfa	but let's see how people react on pr1.2.. is it that world saving release that many people have been waiting for ;)	09:21
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tekojo	Morning!	09:24
Stskeeps	morning tekojo	09:24
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pupnik	morning!	09:26
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mece	Towelday is a good day to release software :)	09:33
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mece	aw for fuck's sake! the images are out for everyone apparently, but I don't have my usb cable.	09:34
tekojo	Have mine here right in my backpack :)	09:34
mece	grr argh!	09:34
* mece impersonates the Mutant Enemy logo		09:34
tekojo	both towel and cable	09:35
mece	wait, my boss has an N900	09:35
Wolfie	so, it's not an OTA update?	09:35
mece	well it is, but not yet apparently	09:35
LiraNuna	woot woot	09:35
LiraNuna	http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/	09:35
tekojo	see, anyone with a towel is well equipped :)	09:35
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LiraNuna	it's official	09:35
mece	Wanha	09:35
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mece	;)	09:36
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pupnik	will the video calling work over tcp/ip also	09:37
mece	pupnik, only afact	09:38
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pupnik	afact?	09:39
mece	as far as I can tell.	09:39
mece	yay! A friend to the rescue. He bringeth usb cable!	09:39
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* noobmonk3y prods lcuk		09:50
* noobmonk3y wonders if the title of this room will change? :P		09:50
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mece	flashing	09:54
mece	wroooom	09:54
mece	damn that's fast.	09:54
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lejonet	mece: showoff... I couldn't get my N900 to even start flashing lol :P	09:55
mece	haa	09:55
mece	http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing	09:55
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mece	it's booting..	09:55
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lejonet	Yeah, I had the useful help of people here and that homepage and still no dice, somehow my computer refused to react on the flash mode or something	09:56
LiraNuna	so	09:57
LiraNuna	topic should be change	09:57
LiraNuna	d	09:57
mece	I tried. Turns out I'm not an op	09:57
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LiraNuna	\:D/	09:57
mece	uuh the hands are back..	09:57
* LiraNuna kicks Stskeeps to work faster - FASTER		09:57
tekojo	Stskeeps can you change topic?	09:57
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* LiraNuna ducks		09:57
*** Stskeeps changes topic to "Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org/ \| http://maemo.nokia.com/ \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org/ \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ --- PR1.2 out, http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/"		09:58
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LiraNuna	\:D/	09:58
noobmonk3y	lol	09:59
noobmonk3y	flashed, but forgot to do the new emmc meh	09:59
lejonet	oh it was released now? Cool... and I wont be able to use it until I get my phone usable overall lol :P	09:59
noobmonk3y	thanks Stskeeps :D	09:59
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noobmonk3y	lejonet, whats up with yours?	09:59
Wolfie	so, is this a flash-image only, or does this get to OTA eventually?	10:00
noobmonk3y	wolfie ota uk today	10:00
Stskeeps	it OTA's in increments, ie, it takes some regiions first	10:00
noobmonk3y	and ditto above	10:00
Wolfie	okay, just making sure	10:00
noobmonk3y	but the rest can flash now :P	10:00
mece	just did' it works :)	10:00
* noobmonk3y mis-read Stskeeps - thought he said religions ;) lol		10:00
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mece	I think I'll leave out the application list and install them manually..	10:01
LiraNuna	Atheists will get screwed with no update then?	10:01
noobmonk3y	mece, same here :P	10:01
kimitake	I found PR1.2 image at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php :)	10:01
noobmonk3y	kimitake, and? :D :D	10:01
mece	Wanha :P	10:01
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LiraNuna	so.. when does PR1.3 is being released? ducks	10:02
Surfa	any day now	10:02
villemv	it's november already?	10:02
pupnik	capacitive screens: good bye clean, precise fingernail taps. hello smudged screen and missed links	10:02
noobmonk3y	LiraNuna, pr1.3 will breed ducks all on it's own i hear ;)	10:02
LiraNuna	leet	10:02
vesa_	pupnik: hello ui designers needing to think about the click area of buttons/links	10:03
mece	vesa_, what do you mean?	10:04
vesa_	look at the rss application for example on the n900	10:04
lejonet	noobmonk3y: I have no clue really, when I got it to boot into flash mode the flasher just said "Suitable device not found, waiting" all of a sudden and the N900 goes into an bootloop, I am guessing that is standard procedure	10:04
vesa_	it's usable with a fingernail if your hand is stable and you really really concentrate	10:04
noobmonk3y	oooooooo	10:04
noobmonk3y	random!	10:04
vesa_	but it would be so easy to make usable with your finger	10:04
mece	vesa_, never had any trouble hitting those buttons	10:05
vesa_	scrollbars. that are 3mm wide. really helpful =P	10:05
mece	vesa_, they are not scrollbars.	10:05
vesa_	never accidentally resized the left area instead of scrolling? =)	10:05
mece	vesa_, they are indicators of where you are in the scrollable area.	10:05
mece	vesa_, or do you mean gtk scrollbars?	10:06
vesa_	umm? how do you scroll the left area if not with the scrollbar	10:06
vesa_	in the rss application for example	10:06
mece	vesa_, by dragging your finger on the stuff that is there.	10:07
vesa_	you mean 'kinetic' style?	10:07
* noobmonk3y 's fat fingers work fine :P		10:07
vesa_	they don't move	10:07
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noobmonk3y	ooo has 1.2 fixed kinetic scrolling :\|	10:08
vesa_	grab a feed, pull down, nothing.	10:08
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MiXu-	PR1.2 finally out then? :)	10:08
frals	so, uk a day ahead of the rest of us this time around eh	10:08
* noobmonk3y feeds lcuk bacon.........		10:08
noobmonk3y	MiXu-, yup	10:08
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noobmonk3y	frals, available for all if u flash	10:08
noobmonk3y	mornin :D	10:08
mece	frals, just the ota.	10:08
frals	flashing suuuuucks	10:08
frals	:p	10:08
* noobmonk3y just flashed :(		10:08
* noobmonk3y sulks		10:09
frals	i rather not have to set it all up again	10:09
mece	noobmonk3y, why are you sulking?	10:09
* noobmonk3y thinks it will gimme something to to today... (cough.... erm, shite meeting in 30 mins)		10:09
* noobmonk3y can sulk if he wants too, surely?		10:09
mece	frals, well the backup/restore works very well	10:09
* noobmonk3y asks permission to sulk		10:09
frals	well it clears /opt on reflash	10:09
frals	and im using that as my devfolder	10:09
mece	noobmonk3y, you can just ota that fcker, since you're in uk	10:10
noobmonk3y	frals, lol!	10:10
frals	and i cba to back it up manually and redo it	10:10
hrw	morning	10:10
noobmonk3y	mece, global firmware	10:10
mece	noobmonk3y, doh	10:10
noobmonk3y	actually global leaky firmware ;)	10:10
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noobmonk3y	anyway, restore is doing its thang :D	10:10
mece	well, such is life for the leaky installer	10:10
noobmonk3y	hehehe	10:10
noobmonk3y	have to admit, worked fine until last night	10:10
mece	karma I suppose :P	10:10
noobmonk3y	it randomly decided to play music!	10:10
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mece	noobmonk3y, the media player widget playing music after call bug?	10:11
mece	LOL	10:11
noobmonk3y	mece, yup	10:11
MohammadAG	umm, is facebook lying or is 1.2 out?	10:11
frals	MohammadAG: topic? :p	10:11
noobmonk3y	first time i ever had a phone call over an hour - musta been that	10:11
MohammadAG	prolly former	10:11
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, truth for once :P	10:11
* noobmonk3y has flashed		10:11
joppu	What images do I need to flash in order to wipe everything out? I mean both MyDocs and rootfs.	10:11
MohammadAG	it was canceled?	10:11
MohammadAG	:)	10:11
lejonet	joppu: FIASCO bin and eMMC bin if I have understod it correctly :P	10:12
joppu	Thanks!	10:12
noobmonk3y	joppu vanilla - RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	10:12
MohammadAG	let's try to ssu from my not so leaky 1.2	10:12
mece	joppu, eMMC, FIASCO then firmware	10:12
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noobmonk3y	(Well that was the generic firmware)	10:12
MohammadAG	this'll be a *****	10:12
MohammadAG	oh and wb noobmonk3y	10:12
mece	righty	10:12
* noobmonk3y waves!		10:13
MohammadAG	~pr1.2	10:13
infobot	i guess pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.	10:13
MohammadAG	lies	10:13
Stskeeps	infobot: no, pr1.2 is here	10:13
infobot	Stskeeps: okay	10:13
* noobmonk3y lols		10:13
Stskeeps	~pr1.2	10:13
mece	http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2	10:13
infobot	[pr1.2] here	10:13
mece	changelog	10:13
MohammadAG	lol	10:13
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noobmonk3y	lol!!!!	10:13
noobmonk3y	Infobot: PR1.3 is a ban'able subject now.....	10:13
infobot	noobmonk3y: okay	10:14
talmai	anyone managed to successfully register 3rd party url handler on 1.2 (bug 6263)	10:14
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 libhildonmime: 3rd party applications cannot be registered as url handlers	10:14
noobmonk3y	~PR1.3	10:14
infobot	somebody said pr1.3 was a ban'able subject now.....	10:14
noobmonk3y	wohooooooooo	10:14
MohammadAG	LOL	10:14
MohammadAG	where's the 1.3 thread?	10:14
* noobmonk3y really should go get ready for work		10:14
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, its already on the forums :(	10:14
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MohammadAG	1.4?	10:15
lejonet	mikki-kun: you here too lol? :P	10:15
noobmonk3y	no one has posted about 1.2.1 :P	10:15
* MohammadAG turns on TV		10:15
* MohammadAG sees world hunger and cancer still exist		10:15
mikki-kun	lejonet: yeah, i should be... ^^	10:15
* MohammadAG files a bug report		10:15
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lejonet	mikki-kun: haha :P	10:15
MohammadAG	they couldn't deliver what was promised!	10:16
lejonet	MohammadAG: You know what I realized, I could be using the wrong FIASCO bin or something, mine is labelled from sometime 2009	10:16
mikki-kun	lejonet: did i miss something?	10:16
Khertan	Hi all !	10:16
lejonet	mikki-kun: No idea :P	10:16
mece	cheers Khertan	10:16
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mece	too bad Dio had to die for us to get PR1.2...	10:17
MohammadAG	no idea	10:17
MohammadAG	april's joke?	10:17
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MohammadAG	fools*	10:17
frals	noobmonk3y: does fmms autoconfig itself like it should in pr1.2? ;D	10:17
mikki-kun	is pr 1.2 out or why is pr 1.3 now a banable subject?	10:17
MohammadAG	frals, no, it trouts you in the face	10:17
* frals slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout		10:17
* Khertan is slowly backing is n900 data ... 28Gb so slow with usb !		10:17
Wolfie	~pr1.3	10:17
infobot	pr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now.....	10:17
lejonet	mikki-kun: Yes, 1.2 is out :P	10:18
* MohammadAG doesn't have the SSU package, you know what that means		10:18
mikki-kun	ohhh Ö.ö	10:18
MohammadAG	right, apt-get upgrade	10:18
mikki-kun	lol? :o	10:18
lejonet	~pr1.2	10:18
infobot	hmm... pr1.2 is here	10:18
mikki-kun	\o/	10:18
Khertan	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php	10:18
Khertan	yep	10:18
mikki-kun	that's why i slept so good :D	10:18
joppu	where's the FIASCO image? sorry for asking stupid stuff :/	10:18
Khertan	there is a new RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin	10:18
mece	where Khertan said	10:18
MohammadAG	somewhere in that page	10:18
lejonet	I still wonder why it is called an FIASCO img tho :P	10:19
Khertan	does this mean that there resize the rootfs space ?	10:19
Khertan	fiasco ... in french ... a fail :)	10:19
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Khertan	found that funny :)	10:19
joppu	so first the eMMC image is the fiasco one?	10:19
MohammadAG	umm	10:19
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joppu	wee I can speel	10:19
mece	yay! Qlister installs and works right away. time to promote to extras	10:19
MohammadAG	the eMMC image is to flash the eMMC	10:19
Khertan	first the fiasco img ... then the vanilla emmc	10:19
mece	-testing	10:19
Khertan	NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image!	10:19
Khertan	MohammadAG, yep ...	10:20
lejonet	Khertan: well, it is a bit odd to have the standard img called FIASCO ;)	10:20
Khertan	lejonet, clear :)	10:20
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MohammadAG	what Khertan said is important for 1.2!	10:20
joppu	but on the tablets-dev there's only the eMMC image and the firmware itself	10:20
noobmonk3y	doesnt it auto boot after a flash?	10:20
Khertan	joppu, the firmware is the fiasco ;)	10:20
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mece	joppu, RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin 262090105 eMMC content 10.2010.13-2	10:21
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Khertan	noobmonk3y, yep it s autoboot :)	10:21
mece	that is fiasco	10:21
mece	err no	10:21
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* noobmonk3y thinks that happens just to make sods law real		10:21
mece	sorry	10:21
Scelt	AT LAST	10:21
joppu	D: seriously the firmware itself it called fiasco?	10:21
Scelt	Two months of waiting	10:21
Khertan	i m currently looking at the flasher optionnal argument	10:21
* frals waits for planet to get flooded with 10 identical "PR1.2 out now" blogposts		10:21
mece	hee	10:21
noobmonk3y	frals, i'll get started on one ;0	10:21
mikki-kun	lol, my n900 didn't find pr1.2 ^^	10:22
Khertan	frals, apt-get remove rss, firefox, twitter	10:22
frals	^^	10:22
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mece	mikki-kun, ota only in the UK	10:22
Khertan	mikki-kun, did you have installed custom qt4.6 libs ?	10:22
lejonet	mikki-kun: well either you flash your phone or wait for ota :P	10:22
mikki-kun	ota?	10:22
noobmonk3y	over the air	10:22
Khertan	o the air	10:23
MohammadAG	GRRR	10:23
* noobmonk3y giggles		10:23
mikki-kun	and afaik i didn't install custom qt4.6 libs	10:23
MohammadAG	apt-get upgrade isn't upgrading	10:23
mece	MohammadAG, ARGH	10:23
* Khertan was bursted by noobmonk3y		10:23
noobmonk3y	;)	10:23
mece	mikki-kun, unrelated.	10:23
Khertan	mece, it could be ... as sdk custom qt4.6 install remove the metapackage mrp0 used for update :)	10:24
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Scelt	ptl: PR1.2 IS OUT :-D	10:24
MohammadAG	surely 1.2 is bigger than... 11 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.	10:24
Khertan	mece, but yep ... not here	10:24
wall[e]	congratulationssss	10:24
Khertan	MohammadAG, hum ... maybe they remove everything that didn't pass tests ;)	10:24
mikki-kun	i'll just do it manually	10:24
MohammadAG	umm	10:24
MohammadAG	then it'd say 0 packages	10:25
MohammadAG	:)	10:25
jacekowski	pr1.2?	10:25
wall[e]	does this need reflash?	10:25
jacekowski	srsly?	10:25
MohammadAG	jacekowski, the cake is a lie	10:25
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MohammadAG	apparently 1.2 isn't	10:25
Khertan	MohammadAG, :)	10:25
wall[e]	or apt-get disupgrade work?	10:25
MohammadAG	use HAM	10:25
wall[e]	thanks!	10:25
Khertan	1.2 is on tablet-dev ... but not yet ota	10:25
MohammadAG	oe bacon ;)	10:26
jacekowski	nothing on maemo.org	10:26
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MohammadAG	Khertan, oh	10:26
wall[e]	man i am so happy like a monkey reach the bank of amazon river	10:26
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Khertan	at least ota only for uk for the moment	10:26
MohammadAG	omg?	10:26
wall[e]	Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N90	10:26
MohammadAG	the uk never got it first?	10:26
MohammadAG	!*	10:26
Khertan	:)	10:26
Scelt	frals: it could be nice if images were in descending timestamp order when adding file to mms. I mainly have to scroll to the bottom since I usually want to send the newest image which I just took	10:27
noobmonk3y	gotta goooooooooooooooooo - ciaoooooooooooo	10:27
* noobmonk3y slaps frals and MohammadAG with a double headed trout!		10:27
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* Khertan is still waiting the 28Gb save over usb ... so slow ...		10:27
jacekowski	hmmmmmmm	10:27
jacekowski	no UK version	10:27
mikki-kun	Khertan: hf ^^	10:27
frals	Scelt: yeah, i have it somewhere on my list but not had time to wrestle with that dialog yet :)	10:27
frals	Scelt: thanks for reminding me :)	10:27
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Scelt	frals: kewl. np. I have found that software very useful when drunk :D	10:28
frals	hehe :D	10:28
Khertan	finally it was faster to backup 28Gb over usb than downloading from tablets-dev.nokia.com the firmware	10:28
jacekowski	well, 28G?	10:29
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jacekowski	emmc flashes MyDocs as well?	10:29
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jacekowski	i thought it's just /home	10:29
Khertan	not sure	10:29
Khertan	so backup before :)	10:29
Khertan	anyway it s still a good idea to backup	10:30
mikki-kun	jacekowski: if you flash the emmc then you also flash MyDocs afair	10:30
Khertan	as i didn't made any since 3 months	10:30
jacekowski	well, i have copy of all my porn	10:30
mikki-kun	LOL	10:30
Khertan	:)	10:30
jacekowski	and that's only important stuff i've got on a phone	10:30
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jacekowski	mikki-kun: only difference between me and you is that i admit to it	10:31
frals	bah, upgrading means losing 09:34:53 up 22 days, 7:56, load average: 0.62, 0.15, 0.05 :[	10:31
Khertan	179Mb for the firmware ... there is a huge difference from previous fw	10:31
mikki-kun	jacekowski: well, i don't have it on my phone =p	10:31
jacekowski	you just don't want to admit to it	10:31
jacekowski	Khertan: well, it might be just different compression	10:31
Khertan	jacekowski, true	10:32
mikki-kun	the goddamn tracker-mechanism will somehow pull that out when i show something to somebody	10:32
Khertan	héhé	10:32
mikki-kun	better be sure...	10:32
jacekowski	btw. where is UK version of firmware?	10:33
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tekojo	jacekowski coming up, it is always slower as it has to be accepted in the UK	10:35
hrw	PR 1.2 is not OTA yet?	10:35
tekojo	hrw should be about now	10:35
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frals	hrw: in the UK only	10:35
frals	hrw: rest of the world tomorrow, according to nokia conversations	10:36
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hrw	tekojo: mp-fremantle-generic-pr is still at 10.2010.12-9	10:36
tekojo	hrw where?	10:36
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hrw	tekojo: on my phone	10:36
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jacekowski	frals: there is pr1.2 in UK over ota?	10:36
tekojo	hrw afaik that isn't an official build, so you are on your own	10:36
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frals	http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/	10:37
hrw	tekojo: thats LR1.2	10:37
tekojo	hrw which means it's your problem :)	10:37
jacekowski	tekojo: it's already on tablets dev	10:37
hrw	tekojo: ;D	10:38
Khertan	yep ... but seems server are a bit overcharged :) download is slow on tablets-dev :)	10:38
tekojo	jacekowski, the uk variant? people here are faster than I think :)	10:38
hrw	tekojo: all variants are there	10:38
tekojo	Khertan it's in Akamai, the server should not see a load	10:38
MohammadAG	calls for a "that's what she said"	10:38
jacekowski	tekojo: no, just global	10:39
Khertan	tekojo, yep ... it s in Akamai ... this is the problem :)	10:39
MohammadAG	haha	10:39
tekojo	jacekowski ok, the UK variant should come in soon	10:39
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MohammadAG	it's out OTA	10:39
LiraNuna	anyone tried the map application on 1.2?	10:39
Khertan	tekojo, akamai is slow with my isp ... don't know why	10:39
tekojo	Khertan depends on your physical location, better in Akamai than somewhere in Central Finland, then you would be screaming	10:39
LiraNuna	I'm wondering what has changed	10:40
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hrw	LiraNuna: in lr1.2 it was better then in pr1.1.1 but still not finished	10:40
Khertan	tekojo, not sure :)	10:40
MohammadAG	well i'm not reflashing	10:40
MohammadAG	so i guess it's still 1.1.1.5 for the day	10:41
tekojo	LiraLuna http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2	10:41
* Khertan will reflash ... as i install many things from the sdk ... will be too hazardoos ... :)		10:41
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LiraNuna	tekojo, tip: use the tab key to complete people's nicknames	10:41
tekojo	Khertan which isp, can't help right now, but these things are good to know in the future	10:41
MohammadAG	Khertan, not really ;)	10:41
Khertan	tekojo, orange (old france telecom)	10:42
tekojo	LiraNuna: thanks :)	10:42
Khertan	tekojo, but they are against internet neutrality ...	10:42
* LiraNuna just hates to see his nick misspelled		10:42
MohammadAG	so... now that 1.2 is out	10:42
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Khertan	tekojo, they already cache youtube and made it slower	10:42
MohammadAG	who thinks it was way too overrated/hyped	10:42
* MohammadAG raises hand		10:42
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Khertan	tekojo, but you can't do anything ... it s isp related i think	10:43
LiraNuna	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=583355&postcount=206	10:43
joppu	15 minutes until the backup is complete...	10:43
LiraNuna	whoa	10:43
tekojo	Khertan hmm, that's bad	10:44
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Khertan	tekojo, yep	10:44
joga	MohammadAG: I think the "hype" was because everyone expected it a lot :)	10:44
LiraNuna	hey, we got skype video chats	10:45
LiraNuna	I don't think it was overrated	10:45
Surfa	and gtalk too?	10:45
danielwilms	now 1.2 UK variant is as well available for download from tablets-dev	10:45
MohammadAG	which don't work with fring	10:45
MohammadAG	so udeless for me :)	10:45
MohammadAG	useless*	10:45
LiraNuna	Surfa, I believe it was on 1.1 as well, but the other side needs to initiate it	10:45
joga	video chat is a nice add	10:45
tekojo	danielwilms: thanks :)	10:45
Corsac	well, I'm more interested about fixed bugs :)	10:45
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joppu	how bout the flash version? like I personally care, but some people do	10:46
* wall[e] tries to remember all his modification		10:46
wall[e]	hi joppu i love your carbon theme very much	10:46
MohammadAG	yes, when **** sites upgrade we'll be left out	10:46
MohammadAG	:P	10:46
wall[e]	thank you for it a lot	10:47
* Khertan is interested by qt4.6 and mce fix		10:47
* Khertan is interested by qt4.6 and mce fixes		10:47
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joppu	wall[e]: yeah, I'll fix it up and release it after my exam week (which just started today), but thanks :)	10:48
wall[e]	can always wait!	10:49
MohammadAG	joppu, what exams?	10:49
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wall[e]	i'm making theme that looks like iron man (with yellow/red metal buttons etc) with blender	10:50
wall[e]	rendering is fun but splitting them into so many pngs and try to understand them isn't	10:51
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wall[e]	appreciate your hard work! good luck with the exam.	10:51
MohammadAG	thanks :P	10:52
* MohammadAG has an exam at 1:30		10:52
wall[e]	you too!	10:52
MohammadAG	today's a ***** :P	10:52
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wall[e]	and what are you still doing here?	10:52
wall[e]	haha	10:52
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joppu	wall[e]: are you using MADDE, TM or manual method?	10:53
wall[e]	but reminds me i was playing mud and runs to the exam and almost late. that's 15 years ago.	10:53
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wall[e]	joppu: manual	10:53
Khertan	noobmonkey, to flash without reboot from flasher remove the option -R	10:54
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wall[e]	btw, i noticed that some png got stretch, is there a way to tell rendering engine to tile them?	10:54
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y left afaik	10:54
MohammadAG	infobot, seen noobmonk3y	10:54
infobot	noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-53-101.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27m 24s ago, saying: 'gotta goooooooooooooooooo - ciaoooooooooooo'.	10:54
wall[e]	through some config file?	10:54
Khertan	yep ... i see that after :)	10:54
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Khertan	MohammadAG, thx	10:54
Khertan	:)	10:54
MohammadAG	don't thank me	10:55
MohammadAG	~thanks	10:55
infobot	MohammadAG: no worries	10:55
MohammadAG	:P	10:55
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joppu	MohammadAG: I had math today, still Finnish, Swedish, history, geography and English to go	10:55
Khertan	Impossible d'ajouter le message au fichier mbox : /home/khertan/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox : Fichier trop gros	10:55
Khertan	oups	10:55
wall[e]	why i can't see pr1.2 in my application manager?	10:56
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MohammadAG	oh, not gces then	10:56
MohammadAG	good luck anyhow :)	10:56
Khertan	wall[e], because you should change glasses	10:56
wall[e]	i really cant see :S	10:56
* wall[e] cries		10:56
lejonet	joppu: lol you have Swedish in school? I guess you live in a Finnish/Swedish part of finland? :P	10:57
wall[e]	just reflash!	10:57
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MohammadAG	hmm	10:57
MohammadAG	wonder if i should take backups of the mtd blocks	10:57
florian	good morning	10:58
wall[e]	i have to repartition again oh no	10:58
joppu	lejonet: we all have (and hate) to study it everywhere Finland :S	10:58
Scelt	lejonet: everywhere in Finland, we have two official languages	10:58
MohammadAG	so, i should backup the bootloader files, transitions, mce.ini, custom kernel image, and...	10:58
MohammadAG	oh yeah, the normal backup app stuff	10:58
lejonet	Scelt: :O that is just wrong	10:59
jpe	scelt: in belgium we have 4 !	10:59
lejonet	joppu: Like fine, we did own finland a couple of hundred years ago, but why should we still force you to learn our language? :P	10:59
Scelt	lejonet: that's our history and I don't have anything against it	10:59
Lynoure	lejonet: Swedish is mandatory in all of Finland	10:59
lejonet	jpe: Well you guys are weird ;)	10:59
jpe	but it's nice to have on youre CV	11:00
Scelt	jpe: do you have to study all of them at school?	11:00
joppu	do you guys ever backup your application list? I never do that	11:00
lejonet	Lynoure: Didn't know that. Poor you :P	11:00
wall[e]	i do	11:00
jpe	scelt: yep, but not all in the same amount..., and it depends in which part of the country you live	11:00
wall[e]	backup my app list	11:00
Scelt	jpe: okay	11:01
Lynoure	lejonet: Could be worse :)	11:01
wazd	I knew they will release PR 1.2 right after Lost finale :D	11:01
lejonet	Lynoure: True	11:01
wazd	that light was PR 1.2 indeed :D	11:01
lejonet	brb	11:01
pupnik	my friend says dont watch it	11:01
wall[e]	you have pr1.2 in ham?	11:02
wall[e]	all of you?	11:02
wazd	wall[e]: no	11:02
wall[e]	ah ok	11:02
wazd	wall[e]: but I'll try to update it thry nsu	11:02
wazd	which I doubt :)	11:03
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mikki-kun	MohammadAG: where is the transitions-file stored?	11:03
MohammadAG	/usr/share/hildon-desktop	11:03
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wall[e]	wazd :)	11:04
mikki-kun	thanks :)	11:04
wall[e]	no luck here	11:04
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mikki-kun	and the mce.ini was somewhere in /etc afair	11:04
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* wall[e] tries apt		11:05
korhojoa_	hmm. pr 1.2 eh	11:05
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timeless_mbp	oh darn	11:07
timeless_mbp	someone shipped it?	11:07
sp3000	...but does it have a pony?	11:07
timeless_mbp	that means i actually have to get my package(s) fixed :(	11:07
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korhojoa_	timeless_mbp: oh noes :D	11:08
timeless_mbp	korhojoa_: how dare they ship it!	11:08
timeless_mbp	it's so unfair!	11:08
timeless_mbp	couldn't they wait another year?	11:08
korhojoa_	timeless_mbp: yeah! especially when it means effort for the devs!	11:08
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timeless_mbp	yeah….	11:09
wazd	"Polishing each application for resistive screen (as good as it is) is not trivial considering...."	11:09
timeless_mbp	now poor users will update and things will break and they'll blame the lazy devs like me for not being ready	11:09
korhojoa_	I mean, they could at least have given you some warning, you know. So you'd have time to fix any broken functionality, but no.	11:09
wazd	of all possible explanations he chose this	11:09
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MohammadAG	meego is overrated	11:09
MohammadAG	it has rpm, one reason to stay away from it (from my experience with fedora)	11:10
wazd	Peter is slowly moving onto Jobs' path :)	11:10
timeless_mbp	korhojoa_: yeah, the 6 months i got was way too short	11:10
timeless_mbp	i needed at least 12 months	11:10
Wolfie	wazd: without all the technical rigor and overall determination	11:10
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wall[e]	mp-fremantle-generic-pr is already the newest version.	11:11
wall[e]	may be because i am in thailand?	11:11
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MohammadAG	wall[e], update the package list	11:12
korhojoa_	i quite like the debian package manager	11:12
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Oli```	Probably the hundredth person to ask this morning but why won't PR1.2 update over the air? I've got 68megs free on rootfs	11:12
wazd	is there any way to update n900 for windows? :)	11:13
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MohammadAG	Oli```, it will tomorrow	11:13
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Oli```	MohammadAG: ? They're updating the package?	11:13
MohammadAG	idk	11:14
wall[e]	MohammadAG: I did	11:15
wall[e]	apt source.list right?	11:15
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wall[e]	https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ and https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./	11:17
wall[e]	right?	11:17
furunk3l	yes hello	11:17
mece	omg I'm soo regretting not using the restore apps functions. Turns out I had a shitload of apps installed.	11:17
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wall[e]	ah i see	11:18
wall[e]	will flash then	11:18
wall[e]	who can wait for one more day?	11:18
tekojo	mece if you have the backup, you still can do it	11:18
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mece	tekojo.. can I only choose the app list?	11:19
mece	hmm good idea.	11:19
tekojo	wazd windows flaseher	11:19
mece	wazd, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing	11:19
mece	wazd, fast and easy	11:19
joppu	I think I screwed something up. I flashed the FIASCO image without the -R switch, kept the N900 plugged it, ran the eMMC flashing command. It it says booting into flashing mode and no suitable device found. The N900 boot is stuck to the second dot	11:19
wazd	ooooh	11:19
tekojo	mece in back-up tool yes and then in app manager there is the menu option of restore	11:19
wazd	tekojo: mece: thanks, I'll try that :)	11:19
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GNUton-BNC	X-Fade: ping	11:20
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wall[e]	joppu: restart it over?	11:20
tekojo	joppu try ripping out the battery and rebooting, or did you already?	11:20
tekojo	and how long is it stuck?	11:20
joppu	The wiki pagesays it's strictly forbidden	11:20
joppu	""When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image first, then the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two!	11:21
tekojo	joppu: but you flashed both images already?	11:21
tekojo	or not?	11:21
joppu	Nope, the eMMC doesn't flash	11:21
joppu	The Firmware is already there	11:22
Treibholz	Is it possible, to have something like a wildcard-contact? E.g. all numbers from the office start with 431515 followed by 4 digits. I want to see, if the office calls.	11:22
lbt	is 1.2 out then?	11:22
tekojo	joppu: ahhh, then rip the battery, ready the flasher, plug in the cable and stick the battery in	11:22
tekojo	ready the flasher as in run the command, it will wait for the device a while	11:22
parim1	Hey guys is there a port of google chrome for maemo 2008?	11:22
joppu	do I need to press U?	11:22
tekojo	joppu: depends, on my machine never, but some people need to	11:23
MohammadAG	parim1, ask jacekowski, but i doubt it, the N900's hardware runs it a bislow	11:23
lejonet	parim1: I think I saw a chromium app in extras-devel or something the other day, it aint that optimized for touch screen tho	11:23
parim1	lejonet: thanks	11:24
Khertan	md5sum verified ... FLASHING !	11:24
mece	Khertan :)	11:24
MohammadAG	lejonet, it's for OS 2009, not 2008 afaik	11:24
mece	I'm going to pump out qt apps like there'	11:24
mece	s no tomorrow	11:24
lejonet	MohammadAG: oh :P	11:24
mece	(not really)	11:25
wazd	oh	11:25
wazd	NSU works	11:25
wazd	awesome!	11:25
mece	what's NSU again?	11:25
Khertan	i m impatient to test my Qt Apps :)	11:25
lejonet	Not Safe Education? :P	11:25
Khertan	(not finished yet)	11:25
wazd	nokia software update	11:25
mece	Khertan, mine installed as it should at least :)	11:25
Khertan	mine isn't packaged yet :)	11:25
phellarv_	So - PR1.2 is out, and everyone is a happy kitten?	11:26
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lejonet	I'm probably going to use my N900 to try and learn how to program with Qt :P	11:26
Stskeeps	phellarv: well, no commercially supported meego	11:26
lejonet	Gotta setup an cross-compiler on my computer tho	11:26
Khertan	oups ... i ve got a pb ...	11:26
mece	Khertan, uh oh	11:27
tekojo	lejonet try MADDE	11:27
Khertan	doesn't boot	11:27
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mece	Khertan, wait...	11:27
mece	Khertan, mine was slooow	11:27
mece	first boot	11:27
phellarv	Stskeeps: That was not really a surprise.	11:27
Khertan	yep ... but reboot twice already	11:27
mece	Khertan. oh. damn	11:27
wall[e]	grrrrr	11:27
tekojo	Khertan: wait, it's doing a lot of optification of first boot	11:27
phellarv	Stskeeps: Ain't no money in backporting, you know.	11:27
wall[e]	internet will down for an hour grrrr	11:28
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joppu	wall[e]: repars?	11:28
Khertan	tekojo, yep ... i m just waiting ... maybe some internal fw upgrade like the phone chipset	11:28
mece	tekojo, are you still working on maemo btw?	11:28
Khertan	youhou ! it s start the third time !	11:28
mece	Khertan, so it worked.. or?	11:28
tekojo	mece: Yes, but my area is maemo.org, as long as it's there I'm looking at it	11:28
Khertan	mece, yep it s working	11:29
Khertan	i was a bit afraid after two reboot	11:29
tekojo	Khertan: not chipset, that happens in flashing, but it's optifying	11:29
mece	tekojo, nice. That's like my favorite place on teh interwebs :D	11:29
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joppu	ok, screw the eMMC, it boots up just fine	11:29
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mece	~curse my slow 3g connection	11:30
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, my slow 3g connection !	11:30
tekojo	joppu: I don't think you have to flash emmc, it's just a content change	11:30
mece	teehee... that never gets old	11:30
Khertan	hum ... my nokia	11:30
Khertan	:)	11:30
* tekojo is being dragged to lunch		11:30
joppu	tekojo: yeah, I was just hoping to start up on a clean slate	11:30
Khertan	advice by sms ... will be short :)	11:30
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wazd	seriously, NSU worked like a charm	11:30
wazd	it should be listed in wiki I suppose	11:31
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joppu	how does one change the menu layout?	11:31
parim1	Paul and microsoft have them take a look at it	11:32
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wutr	yay PR1.2!	11:32
mece	tekojo, does pr1.2 use the same transitions.ini file as previous versions?	11:33
timeless_mbp	Treibholz: the algorithm looks at the last x digits which iirc is 8 or so	11:34
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andre__	mece: I don't think that tekojo knows every single file on the N900 by heart. wait and check?	11:35
timeless_mbp	i don't think it's particularly pluggable, but you could probably write another app which listens for some message and does something	11:35
timeless_mbp	andre__: how dare he not memorize the entire file system for all versions of the n900!	11:36
sx0n	1.2?	11:36
jacekowski	ehhh	11:36
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jacekowski	not enough memory in target location	11:36
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jacekowski	how much is enough?	11:37
timeless_mbp	sx0n: it is in the topic...	11:37
lejonet	jacekowski: When 1 more bit is more space than needed ;)	11:37
joppu	holy crap, the back button now actually takes you back one page	11:37
* lejonet hides		11:37
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lejonet	joppu: :O	11:38
MohammadAG	A= infinty sign	11:38
MohammadAG	jacekowski, A	11:38
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jacekowski	joppu: lies	11:38
mece	jacekowski, try disabling extras, testing and devel, perhaps that will do the trick?	11:38
mece	gives you 20 megs or so :)	11:38
jacekowski	6.3 at the moment	11:38
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mece	jacekowski, ouch	11:39
joppu	still no portait input in the browser	11:39
frals	timeless_mbp: i think its last 7	11:39
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jacekowski	i cleaned /var/cache/apt/archives and i've got 30M	11:40
mece	andre__, righty, sometimes people just happens to know though :)	11:41
timeless_mbp	frals: i've spoken w/ the people who work on it	11:41
timeless_mbp	in the USA, we have 10 digit numbers, 3, 3, 4	11:41
wazd	woo, normal "back" in browser! :) update already worth it :)	11:41
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jacekowski	30M is not enough	11:42
timeless_mbp	a 7 digit number isn't actually useful, since it's an instant collision between any pair of area codes	11:42
lejonet	wazd: Sweetness :P	11:42
mece	andre__, hey btw did you get my email about the bugtrackers?	11:42
timeless_mbp	joppu: did you find portrait input in any other application?	11:42
MohammadAG	jacekowski, it just hates you	11:42
andre__	mece, yes	11:42
jacekowski	MohammadAG: it doesn't want me to hate it	11:42
frals	timeless_mbp: alright, i only go by whats at http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-util.html#osso-abook-query-phone-number which might not be used elsewhere :)	11:43
joppu	timeless_mbp: nope, but somebody was demonstating it on the SDK by forcing it into portait	11:43
mece	andre__, k. Is all ok there, or do you need more info?	11:43
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: yes	11:43
crashanddie	joppu: try opera browser for Maemo, bloody brilliant, and added bonus: no flash!	11:43
timeless_mbp	frals: hrm, maybe :)	11:43
joppu	crashanddie: I'm aware of this, yes	11:43
timeless_mbp	i distinctly remember disliking their behavior for a bunch of reasons	11:44
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frals	hehe	11:44
crashanddie	joppu: supports portrait input with a very good keyboard	11:44
andre__	mece, looks okay from a quick view. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products	11:44
timeless_mbp	frals: i will note that the first sentence in that blob is bad	11:44
wazd	cyrilic symbols in maps!	11:44
timeless_mbp	it should be "well-defined", not "well-define"	11:44
BugBlue	mmm	11:44
joppu	crashanddie: but it sucks you battery like a whor...	11:44
timeless_mbp	so given that they were off by one earlier, maybe they're off by one later :)	11:44
wazd	I feel a bit randy now	11:44
crashanddie	joppu: then don't say "nope", when someone asks you "did you find portrait input in any other application"	11:44
BugBlue	I can't restore.. it does complain about available memory	11:45
timeless_mbp	crashanddie: um	11:45
timeless_mbp	Opera has their own IME	11:45
BugBlue	let's switch to english	11:45
timeless_mbp	it isn't the nokia IME	11:45
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: yes, but it's still portrait input	11:45
timeless_mbp	no	11:45
timeless_mbp	it isn't	11:45
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: you didn't qualify initially :)	11:45
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joppu	damn, I always hit "settings", the last item in the menu by reflex :D	11:45
timeless_mbp	crashanddie: it was a context sensitive question	11:46
timeless_mbp	the context was 'pr1.2 changes'	11:46
timeless_mbp	pr1.2 does not, to my knowledge, offer a portrait IME	11:46
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: my apologies, wasn't aware of it	11:46
timeless_mbp	as it does not offer it, asking one of the platform apps to use a feature that doesn't exist is unfair	11:46
timeless_mbp	and i'm in the middle of deciding how to bite someone's head off	11:46
timeless_mbp	so please don't tempt me	11:46
joppu	so there was an option to rearrange the menu, where it would be lacated?	11:47
timeless_mbp	i'm trying to be incredibly polite and include a certain amount of levity	11:47
timeless_mbp	however….	11:47
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: that being said, I believe it is worthwhile to note that the only application that offers portrait input support is a beta version of a browser.	11:47
timeless_mbp	joppu: tap and hold	11:47
timeless_mbp	crashanddie: you think we didn't want it?	11:47
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: fuck off, don't pull that with me. Thanks. If you need to go for a shit, please, go ahead and go to the bathroom, no need to threathen the whole room.	11:47
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timeless_mbp	sure, we went to the IME people and said "please please please don't deliver a portrait IME, it'd give us too many features and hurt our WOW for post 1.2"	11:48
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* timeless_mbp waits for that to hit talk		11:48
crashanddie	lol	11:48
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joppu	internet drama	11:48
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wazd	ctrl+shift+r doesn't work in media player? :(	11:49
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: I never said or implied anything of the sorts, please don't insult my intelligence by pretending I did, you know better than that.	11:49
timeless_mbp	crashanddie: i'm in a bad mood	11:50
BugBlue	oke, an extra reboot did do the trick.. it's now restoring :-)	11:50
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crashanddie	that's fine, hope things get better, but there really is no need to take it out on the channel, or anyone on IRC for that matter.	11:50
timeless_mbp	my day started by receiving what amounts to a censure from a working group	11:50
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: may I recommend going to annoy the new paperboy?	11:51
timeless_mbp	i'd probably get arrested in this country!	11:51
crashanddie	I meant the Nokia paperboy, hopefully he's legal	11:51
timeless_mbp	harassing people at nokia would get me fired	11:51
timeless_mbp	they don't have a sense of humor	11:51
crashanddie	damn	11:51
timeless_mbp	and document every infraction	11:51
timeless_mbp	with video cameras!	11:52
joppu	accont setup has now "facebook"-option. it's just jabber, right?	11:52
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timeless_mbp	joppu: it's probably facebook :)	11:52
crashanddie	is pr1.2 released?	11:52
* timeless_mbp eyes crashanddie		11:52
crashanddie	or did joppu install the leaked version?	11:52
timeless_mbp	please read the topic	11:52
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: I know the topic, I put it there	11:52
crashanddie	but sometimes the conversations get misleading	11:53
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joppu	wellthe builtin jabber fuctioned fine with facebook, as it being XMPP	11:53
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joppu	http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nokia-updates-n900-to-version-1-2-in-uk-closes-door-on-meego/	11:53
crashanddie	timeless_mbp: oh, no, I didn't read the topic	11:53
timeless_mbp	...	11:53
mece	joppu, I guess it's a jabber with the proper settings preinstalled	11:53
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crashanddie	sorry	11:53
MohammadAG	you deserve a kick ban, you used the f word	11:54
MohammadAG	:P	11:54
Stskeeps	what, fwanker?	11:54
Stskeeps	:P	11:54
crashanddie	hehehe	11:54
jacekowski	crashanddie: don't be to harsh on yourself	11:54
timeless_mbp	> This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion.	11:55
crashanddie	what did I say: PR1.2 Global Release on May 26th, my birthday!	11:55
mece	it's may 25th :P	11:55
timeless_mbp	crashanddie: do you have a birthday every day?	11:55
jacekowski	crashanddie: it's already released	11:55
crashanddie	well, only UK release today, right?	11:55
mece	no global too. only uk on ota.	11:55
jacekowski	crashanddie: everything except UK is released	11:55
jacekowski	crashanddie: UK is released for ota instead	11:55
crashanddie	"UK release today, and global release tomorrow Wednesday, May 26"	11:55
crashanddie	yeah, so that's what I said :)	11:56
Khertan	crashanddie, for ota ...	11:56
jacekowski	crashanddie: check tablet-dev	11:56
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crashanddie	26th May :) Nokia wanted to be polite	11:56
mece	I already installed global, so it's definately out.	11:56
jacekowski	crashanddie: there are all firmware version except UK	11:56
jacekowski	crashanddie: UK users can get update using OTA	11:56
Khertan	crashanddie, mine is restoring apps on pr1.2 :)	11:56
jacekowski	and OTA fails	11:56
crashanddie	jacekowski: I understand that	11:56
jacekowski	because it needs god knows how much space	11:56
joppu	is there any way to erase my now obsolete jabber addresses all all my over 100 fabebook friends?	11:56
joppu	nice spelling	11:57
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crashanddie	joppu: look at the hermes app, it'll give you an idea	11:57
joppu	is it now capable of erasing stuff too?	11:57
crashanddie	dunno	11:58
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crashanddie	if it doesn't, send an ER	11:58
ZogG_N900	no meego and it's last update probably. sad	11:59
lbt	what's a UK user? not a summit device? or a dev-device?	11:59
Stskeeps	i wouldn't be to worried yet	11:59
Stskeeps	lbt: UK ips maybe	11:59
joppu	ZogG_N900: what do you meanno meego?	12:00
* lbt sets up a Tor		12:00
pigeon	am i supposed to be able to update to 1.2 by just apt-get update and dist-upgrade?	12:00
X-Fade	pigeon: no	12:00
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ZogG_N900	joppu, for n900 officially	12:00
lbt	(no updates available) ... in Reading, UK......	12:00
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* lbt sobs and moves on with his destroyed life		12:00
BCMM	pr 1.2 is out?	12:01
X-Fade	lbt: Only for UK devices, with UK cal data.	12:01
lbt	:)	12:01
X-Fade	lbt: You probably have global ones.	12:01
crashanddie	isn't that nice though... I ranted about PR1.2 last night, I wake up and... TADA	12:01
ZogG_N900	pigeon, you can flash for own risk	12:01
jacekowski	lbt: well, reading isn't in UK then	12:01
joppu	ZogG_N900: N900 isn't really targeted at people who only install "officail" stuff on their device	12:01
lbt	crashanddie: I told you!	12:01
BCMM	bother, i was hoping to be online when that happened	12:01
lbt	jacekowski: true...	12:01
X-Fade	But flashing is better anyway ;)	12:01
lbt	they got confused with pensylvania	12:01
crashanddie	joppu: yes, that's exactly what it's aimed at	12:01
pigeon	have to do it using the app manager?	12:02
crashanddie	joppu: please don't take your habbits as a general rule for the whole of the community	12:02
BCMM	you see, i was planning to find out before they changed the topic, and get kicked for asking about it when it was already out	12:02
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: fuck off :)	12:02
ZogG_N900	joppu, i have gentoo on desktop to have sex with and look forward for gf	12:02
ZogG_N900	X-Fade, would u advice o flash vanilla as well?	12:02
BCMM	joppu: spot on, the n900 is a computer, and therefore it is for breaking and then fixing, for fun :)	12:02
ZogG_N900	BCMM, depends	12:03
jacekowski	i just did break my phone thing and moved locale-archive to /home	12:03
X-Fade	ZogG_N900: No, but after a few SSUs you might have less space free than you would with a clean flash for the firmware.	12:03
joppu	crashanddie: do you know the Hacker Editions for the previous tablets?	12:03
ZogG_N900	if it's an extra stuff i agree but common things. meh	12:03
timeless_mbp	MohammadAG: we're all friends here	12:03
* lbt looks down at his Roomba and wonders if PR1.2 will help it clean into the corners...		12:03
MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, stfu	12:04
crashanddie	joppu: yah	12:04
MohammadAG	:P	12:04
timeless_mbp	lbt: it'll give you a pony :)	12:04
timeless_mbp	a tiny one, to stick in the corner	12:04
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MohammadAG	timeless_mbp, I know :)	12:04
timeless_mbp	which the roomba can play w/	12:04
BCMM	so one has to back up everything, make a list of apps you've installed, and reflash?	12:04
lbt	it should get in smaller gaps ...	12:04
lbt	it can go portrait ;)	12:04
BCMM	it already does portrait	12:04
lbt	BCMM: nah, the wheels spin	12:05
BCMM	i meant maemo already does portrait	12:05
crashanddie	we don't need to flash the bloody emmc, do we?	12:05
lbt	I meant my Roomba	12:05
jacekowski	crashanddie: we do	12:05
ZogG_N900	X-Fade, again. emmc or whta flash?	12:05
crashanddie	jacekowski: seriously?	12:05
joppu	you don't need to flash the eMMC	12:05
jacekowski	crashanddie: full flash you need as far as i know	12:06
X-Fade	ZogG_N900: Don't touch emmc.	12:06
jacekowski	crashanddie: they moved some stuff to emmc	12:06
BCMM	am i right in thinking that pr1.2 isn't going to be an OTA update?	12:06
X-Fade	ZogG_N900: As that will remove your home etc ;)	12:06
Stskeeps	BCMM: wrong	12:06
crashanddie	BCMM: read the announcement	12:06
jacekowski	BCMM: it will be tomorrow	12:06
joppu	I didn't flash the eMMC and it's working fabulously	12:06
ZogG_N900	X-Fade, ok. that's what i mean	12:06
BCMM	crashanddie: that's a good idea	12:06
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jacekowski	BCMM: and it's today for UK users	12:06
BCMM	jacekowski: as OTA?	12:06
jacekowski	( at least once UK isn't behind everybody else )	12:06
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jacekowski	BCMM: yes	12:06
* BCMM looks at his phone		12:07
BCMM	oh my, so it is	12:07
* BCMM does a happy little dance		12:07
ZogG_N900	X-Fade, no problem to back up	12:07
crashanddie	X-Fade, jacekowski: one is saying don't flash emmc, the other is saying do. Please get in tune. We need to send a unique message, especially on IRC.	12:07
jacekowski	46minutes ETA	12:07
BCMM	right, i should probably make some space on /, since it's been a bit full lately	12:07
BCMM	any ideas?	12:07
X-Fade	ZogG_N900: Well if you backup on device, those will be gone then ;)	12:07
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jacekowski	BCMM: i moved /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive to /home	12:07
BCMM	jacekowski: as in, move and symlink?	12:07
BCMM	and that doesn't cause any problems?	12:07
jacekowski	well, i didn't bother to symlink	12:07
ZogG_N900	X-Fade, backup on desktop. lol	12:08
jacekowski	and it's still working	12:08
BCMM	jacekowski: you mean nothing uses that?	12:08
jacekowski	but i'll move it back as soon as update is done	12:08
jacekowski	BCMM: well, programs are using it	12:08
BCMM	is it put there by the international conspiracy of memory manufacturers?	12:08
ZogG_N900	X-Fade, can't back up on device and than format it.	12:08
jacekowski	BCMM: but symlink shouldn't be a problem	12:08
BCMM	jacekowski: eta 46 mins as in download time???	12:08
jacekowski	BCMM: it contains locales for all languages	12:08
jacekowski	BCMM: yes	12:08
BCMM	that is damn slow	12:09
jacekowski	BCMM: over 2g?	12:09
ZogG_N900	global one?	12:09
jacekowski	in metal building	12:09
ZogG_N900	over half G	12:09
BCMM	jacekowski: ah, i was assuming one would do taht kinda thing over wifi/USB networking	12:09
jacekowski	and i have only 3 bars	12:09
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BCMM	jacekowski: no wifi?	12:09
BCMM	no computer?	12:09
jacekowski	BCMM: not in here	12:09
ZogG_N900	wifi is slower for me that apn	12:10
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jacekowski	pretty much everywhere except electronics workshop	12:10
crashanddie	gents, I'd really like to know if we need to flash emmc or not	12:10
BCMM	was somebody advising that one flashes instead of OTA'ing?	12:10
crashanddie	now, my understanding is that EMMC can't be flashed OTA anyway	12:10
wazd	anybody tested skype videocall already? :)	12:10
tekojo	crashanddie: correct	12:10
BCMM	how much root should i have available?	12:11
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BCMM	i have 18.1M	12:11
crashanddie	so if it is being planned (or delivered) OTA, it seems unlikely that the EMMC flash would do anything, and only the bin update is required	12:11
jacekowski	BCMM: not enough	12:11
jacekowski	BCMM: mount -o bind /home /var/cache/apt/archives/	12:11
BCMM	jacekowski: yeah, i figured - not sure where it has all gone though :(	12:11
jacekowski	mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/	12:11
jacekowski	as root	12:11
jacekowski	that will help a bit	12:11
jacekowski	BCMM: mount -o bind /home/tmp /var/cache/apt/archives/	12:11
jacekowski	and i moved that locales file to /home	12:12
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jacekowski	and i'll see what happens	12:12
jacekowski	but as there is no localedef on n900	12:12
BCMM	jacekowski: that directory is empty right now	12:12
jacekowski	BCMM: it will get bigger	12:12
BCMM	jacekowski: perhaps because of me doing apt-get clean?	12:12
crashanddie	So, could we as a channel, recommend the following: if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of.	12:12
jacekowski	i'll have to remove unused locales from archive	12:12
crashanddie	~emmc	12:13
crashanddie	~emmcinfo is if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of.	12:13
infobot	crashanddie: okay	12:13
BCMM	jacekowski: the thing is, i still don't know where all the extra space has gone	12:13
jacekowski	BCMM: well, 20M seems about right	12:13
BCMM	jacekowski: i thought you said "not enough"?	12:13
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jacekowski	it's about right	12:14
jacekowski	but it's not enough for ota	12:14
ZogG_N900	jacekowski, i would mount to tmp dir	12:14
BCMM	with the space i have, extras-devel sometimes won't update because of "no space left on device"	12:14
jacekowski	BCMM: disable extra repositiries as well	12:14
X-Fade	Probably because you have 2 Qt versions installed.	12:14
BCMM	jacekowski: while doing teh update?	12:14
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BCMM	X-Fade: me?	12:15
jacekowski	BCMM: yes	12:15
BCMM	jacekowski: ok	12:15
jacekowski	every byte helps	12:15
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BCMM	has anybody been set on fire or had their kitten eaten by 1.2 yet?	12:15
X-Fade	After PR1.2 install, you should have 100M free in rootfs.	12:15
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BCMM	X-Fade: it will free up space? how?	12:16
joppu	X-Fade: command please?	12:16
jacekowski	BCMM: move stuff to emmc	12:16
X-Fade	BCMM: It will move a lot to /opt	12:16
BCMM	that is a very, very good thing	12:16
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X-Fade	Also, opt is a bind mount now, not a symlink	12:16
BCMM	X-Fade: what are the practical differences, btw?	12:17
BCMM	i mean, i know both exist, but i don't entirely understand why one would use bind	12:17
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crashanddie	"	12:17
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BCMM	oh dear	12:18
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jacekowski	BCMM: bind is better	12:18
BCMM	"to update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the nokia software update application on your PC"	12:18
joppu	rootsf Size:227.8M Used:112.0M Available:101.5M Use&:55%	12:18
BCMM	what does a linux user do?	12:18
joppu	after FIASCO reflash	12:18
BCMM	is there not a way to just create the backup in a MyDocs file which i then copy over MSC?	12:19
jacekowski	BCMM: there is nokia software update application for linux	12:19
joppu	X-Fade: rootsf Size:227.8M Used:112.0M Available:101.5M Use&:55%	12:19
BCMM	jacekowski: where does one get it?	12:19
Mobsan	how do I see space in rootfs?	12:19
jacekowski	BCMM: tablet-dev	12:19
joppu	df -h /	12:19
jacekowski	all that showing off with amount of space on rootfs	12:20
jacekowski	reminds me of something	12:20
BCMM	jacekowski: is that "flasher"?	12:21
jacekowski	BCMM: yes	12:21
ZogG_N900	bind is awesome	12:21
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Mobsan	I got 31.9M Available in rootfs, is that enough for update?	12:21
PhonicUK	holy shit did pr 1.2 just hit?	12:21
joppu	YES	12:22
PhonicUK	woot	12:22
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ZogG_N900	PhonicUK, i hate you )))	12:22
PhonicUK	lo over 1000 updates	12:22
PhonicUK	why?	12:22
joppu	the MicroB font rendering is now awesome, no more kerning bugs :D	12:22
ZogG_N900	cause u r UK	12:22
Khertan	arg !!! also external repository with PR1.2 should have the dists fremantle-1.2	12:22
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Mobsan	what is rootfs used for?	12:23
PhonicUK	does only the UK get it atm?	12:23
BCMM	jacekowski: i'm being dense, can't find flasher for the n900	12:23
BCMM	latest seems to be "flasher utility (Linux on Intel x86) for the Nokia 770, N800 and N810 Internet Tablets"	12:23
mikki-kun	hm... puh!	12:23
jaska	hmm, no ota yet?	12:24
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mikki-kun	forgot to back_up my data from internal eMMC Ö.ö	12:24
joppu	Mobsan: a place where you shouldn't store application files	12:24
Surfa	jaska, uk today, row probably tomomrrow announced	12:24
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Mobsan	But, how do you choose where to install applications?	12:24
jaska	oh ok, cba to reinstall and retune everything	12:24
crashanddie	BCMM: flasher-3.5 works for n900 as well	12:24
BCMM	thanks	12:24
Surfa	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php	12:25
joppu	Mobsan: you don't, the dev does	12:25
Mobsan	ok, and what can we do when the rootfs is full?	12:25
X-Fade	Mobsan: Flash the image?	12:25
Surfa	BCMM, fremantle mentioned also in the description field :)	12:26
joppu	Mobsan: not much, uninstall packages	12:26
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BCMM	Surfa: ?	12:26
Surfa	BCMM, link above	12:27
Surfa	for the maemo flasher	12:27
Mobsan	why is it so small? 227M?	12:27
BCMM	yeh, got it now from the wiki	12:27
BCMM	thanks	12:27
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crashanddie	Mobsan: why is what so small?	12:28
BCMM	how do you get at backups without installing something?	12:28
BCMM	oh nm	12:28
BCMM	i must be going blind	12:29
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Mobsan	space of rootfs...	12:29
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Oli```	Mobsan: did you find an answer yet? I've got 69.3Megs free and it's still telling me to flash it (rather than updating ota)	12:30
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sejo	does the flasher tool allow to backup first?	12:33
sejo	or how do I do that?	12:33
Oli```	sejo: you can do that from your phone	12:34
crashanddie	sejo: go to system, backup	12:34
MohammadAG	backup app	12:34
Mobsan	Oli: Im not updating yet (Not in UK), but trying to understand what rootfs is doing and how much space it needs so I can to update tomorrow...	12:34
PhonicUK	i wanna update :)	12:34
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PhonicUK	how much space is needed?	12:35
Oli```	Mobsan: I've seen people in the forums saying they've updated OTA with ~57megs free but as I say, I've got 69.3 and it's not letting me upgrade ota	12:35
sejo	does it also backup the phonenumbers?	12:35
joppu	sejo: the backup app will	12:36
jacekowski	Oli```: use console	12:36
sejo	great thx	12:36
jacekowski	Oli```: sudo gainroot	12:36
jacekowski	Oli```: apt-get update	12:36
jacekowski	apt-get upgrade	12:36
jacekowski	apt-get dist-upgrade	12:36
joppu	sejo: just make sure to copy the "backup" folder out of the phone for additional safety	12:36
Mobsan	And I only got 30.... i tried to uninstall a app, and now it its 100kb less space after the uninstall...	12:36
sejo	joppu: good advice thanks	12:37
Oli```	jacekowski: I've also seen somebody in the forums say that xterm gets shut down during upgrade, killing off dpkg, leaving you with a bricked phone	12:37
jacekowski	Oli```: you can always do full flash	12:37
Oli```	jacekowski: that's what I'm leaning towards right now... such a pita though	12:37
lcuk	morning \o	12:37
jacekowski	but good to know	12:38
Khertan	morning lcuk	12:38
sejo	I should take the GLOBAL one right (in Belgium)	12:38
joga	how about running the upgrade in screen	12:38
jacekowski	i'll run my upgrade on screen	12:38
joga	?	12:38
Arkenoi	and flash 9 still, as expected :-(	12:38
joga	5	12:38
jacekowski	hmm	12:38
jacekowski	i've disabled repositories	12:38
BCMM	so it decides whether to OTA or ask you to flash based on free space?	12:39
timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: so...	12:39
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timeless_mbp	pr1.2 went to bed months ago	12:39
jacekowski	BCMM: no	12:39
timeless_mbp	we never promised a newer version of flash for 1.2	12:39
jacekowski	BCMM: it just refuses to do OTA if there isn't enough space	12:39
BCMM	jacekowski: how is that different?	12:39
timeless_mbp	and there is no way it could possibly have arrived before 1.2 went to bed	12:39
* Arkenoi still cannot understand exactly what prevented it form releasing two months ago		12:39
jacekowski	BCMM: stop asking tricky questions	12:40
timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: let's not go there :)	12:40
Arkenoi	timeless, why?	12:40
Stskeeps	Arkenoi: each time someone outside nokia said the word 'PR1.2', it got delayed a day	12:40
pigeon	is there a wayto tell what version of the phone it is? like US or global?	12:40
Arkenoi	timeless, it was ready half an year ago	12:40
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timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: and a lot of people said pr1.2, thus it was delayed a while :)	12:40
timeless_mbp	Stskeeps++	12:41
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timeless_mbp	it wasn't entirely ready 6 months ago	12:41
Arkenoi	does everyone see firmware update in app manager, or it depends on product code? i do not	12:41
timeless_mbp	it was mostly ready	12:41
PhonicUK	upgrading, brb	12:41
timeless_mbp	Arkenoi: there's generally a delay in the way things role out	12:41
timeless_mbp	s/role/roll/	12:41
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: Arkenoi: there's generally a delay in the way things roll out	12:41
sejo	is this the correct fw: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?	12:41
PhonicUK	also, apt-get dist-upgrade	12:41
timeless_mbp	and iirc app manager doesn't check every minute	12:42
timeless_mbp	i wonder if that's because we don't want to run up your phone bill :)	12:43
Corsac	and battery life :)	12:43
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Myrtti	teehee. http://yearoftheplank.com	12:43
jaska	think the default is 24h.. it can be changed somewhere, saw it on wiki	12:43
Corsac	well, you can manually run update in HAM anyway	12:44
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mikki-kun	tihihi, flashing completed :D	12:44
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TTilus	x2x works nice, just copy-pasted phonenumber from n900 phone app to an email (which im writing on my desktop box)	12:45
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TTilus	is there any way to enable ordinary mouse cursor in maemo?	12:46
kthomas_vh	how to restore or reload default browser (it fails after moving to boot from external memory card; N810)	12:46
TTilus	its pretty odd feeling to use mouse and not see the cursor ;)	12:46
chadi	will the backup app backup my conversations?	12:46
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TTilus	chadi: afaik, yes	12:47
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chadi	what about msn-pecan and skype attributes of contacts?	12:47
DokterW	Hi. Is this the right channel to ask questions regarding desktop shortcuts/bookmarks and the MicroB browser on a N900?	12:48
TTilus	dunno about that	12:48
chadi	oh and what about contacts themself?	12:48
FIQ	Hm, would it be disadventages more than filling liiittle more space with using bins not BusyBox-related when using ls, grep, etc?	12:49
valdyn	FIQ: no?	12:49
BCMM	what is hte difference between global and UK releases?	12:49
wutr	DokterW: Probably, although I don't have any experience with it	12:49
valdyn	FIQ: the gnu tools are renamed where they conflict	12:49
TTilus	chadi: im additionally backing up $HOME over to desktop box	12:50
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valdyn	chadi: its possible that some software cannot be installed anymore after flashing, other than that you dont lose stuff when doing backup,flash,restore	12:52
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TTilus	chadi: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=425071&postcount=7	12:53
chadi	TTilus exactly what I wanted, thanks :)	12:54
chadi	one last question, do I flash the FIASCO then the VANILLA?	12:54
Khertan	hum ... someone know which version of pyqt is the one to use with pr1.2	12:54
Khertan	?	12:54
Khertan	chadi, yep	12:54
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Khertan	chadi, and do not reboot between the both flash	12:54
chadi	so FIASCO PR1.2 then VANILLA PR1.2	12:55
TTilus	is there any way to enable ordinary mouse cursor in maemo? (would rock when using x2x)	12:55
chadi	Khertan: i read that, but I don't see why :D	12:55
mikki-kun	hm.... usb-speeds of the N900 are really top-notch i gotta admit	12:55
valdyn	chadi: or just combined, afaik	12:55
BCMM	gah, server is slow	12:55
DokterW	Thanks, wutr. I will see if anyone here can hopefully help me. :) First of all I am trying to locate where the file or configuration of the desktop shortcut for any bookmark, be it saved or just added from the browser as a shortcut. Second, I am trying to find out have to create a regular shortcut, as I prefer the smaller icon on my desktop, to open URLs. Third, well, I would like to not have the bookmark window to open first; a	12:55
DokterW	bit annoying.	12:55
BCMM	TTilus: i've seen something about that somewhere (in connection with using bluetooth mice) - might've been the wiki	12:55
wutr	chadi: first boot after FIASCO flash will write some data to eMMC, and if you flash eMMC after that the data is lost	12:56
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TTilus	BCMM: ah, bt-mouse	12:56
chadi	wutr: I don't mind loosing data, I have a backup, and i'm backing up my /home	12:56
wutr	chadi: No it's about some system data	12:56
chadi	wutr: okay, thanks	12:57
wutr	don't know exactly what though, but that's the story behind the "don't reboot between FIASCO and VANILLA"	12:57
BCMM	hang on, one needs to flash two images?	12:57
sejo	/usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F /Users/sejo/Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R gives me this: To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image	12:57
BCMM	is this the procedure i should follow? https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux	12:57
BCMM	as in, "sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R"?	12:58
wutr	BCMM affirm	12:58
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mikki-kun	sejo: i suppose /User isn't a true path	12:58
sejo	eh? it is	12:58
BCMM	any idae about the difference between global and UK versions?	12:58
sejo	Users is	12:58
mikki-kun	hu? i don't have anywhere on my boxes ever seen /Users in my /	12:59
valdyn	thats a windows 7 path	12:59
ccooke	Wait... 1.2 comes with a new eMMC image?	12:59
sejo	no that is a Mac OSX path	12:59
wutr	DokterW: wasn't there something like "shortcut.desktop" for each shortcut?	12:59
ccooke	huh.	12:59
mikki-kun	ahhhhhhhhhhh... but why do you use then /usr/bin? Ö.ö	12:59
pupnik	http://www.pawprintspad.co.uk/pan1.jpg delivered pandora :)	13:00
sejo	mikki-kun: because that's where the flasher gets installed?	13:00
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PhonicUK	i wish i didnt cancel my pandora order	13:00
sejo	my linux is a 64 bit (no 32bit libs)	13:00
sejo	so can't use it	13:00
mikki-kun	http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows <--- that'll help i think	13:00
joppu	pupnik: holy shit, they finally managed to build and ship them?	13:00
timeless_mbp	ccooke: you don't need the new eMMC image	13:00
ccooke	timeless_mbp: what's in it, then?	13:01
timeless_mbp	there is an update, which iirc fixes the volume icon's compatibility with certain linux platforms	13:01
ghostcube	-.- ok now we got, and now we know we wont get meego	13:01
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timeless_mbp	beyond that, i don't recall many changes to it	13:01
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ccooke	timeless_mbp: Excellent.	13:01
timeless_mbp	someone could of course get the old and new images and compare them	13:02
pupnik	joppu: trickling out the door	13:02
timeless_mbp	i don't maintain the eMMC image itself, although i'm more involved w/ it than most	13:02
* wazd bumps the skype video call question		13:02
loufoque	anyone has had any problems with the kernel-module-cifs package? I had an error during installation, and I get errors when I try to uninstall it as well, and the package stays installed	13:02
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zaheerm	so a friend of mine with a uk n900 tried a skype video call to a mac	13:03
zaheerm	it didn't work, whichever initiated the call	13:03
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wazd	timeless: new toolbar in the browser rocks :)	13:03
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Treibholz	do I loose my settings when flashing the new image or should I wait for the OTA-update?	13:04
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joppu	timeless_mbp: the new font rendering in the browser rocks too	13:04
lcuk	Treibholz, use the backup app	13:04
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timeless_mbp	Treibholz: i will let loose my wrath upon thy representation if thy dost not lose that excess 'o' when thou next attempt to write 'lose'	13:04
valdyn	Treibholz: depends	13:04
Treibholz	lcuk: so I need to reinstall all packages?	13:04
timeless_mbp	s/will/shall/	13:04
FIQ	[11:52:11] <valdyn> FIQ: no?	13:04
infobot	timeless_mbp meant: Treibholz: i shall let loose my wrath upon thy representation if thy dost not lose that excess 'o' when thou next attempt to write 'lose'	13:04
FIQ	just what i though	13:04
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Treibholz	timeless_mbp: I am sooooo sorry.	13:05
FIQ	hmm	13:05
chadi	should I download both fiasco and vanilla images to reflash emmc, one on eis the subset of another?	13:05
valdyn	Treibholz: you lose settings from some 3rd party applications	13:05
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timeless_mbp	Treibholz: historically depressing anecdote : the "tetris" clone used to say "Game Over You Loose"	13:05
timeless_mbp	which is basically a good way to call 50% of the population a slut	13:05
sejo	bleh can't upgrade have a preproduction one	13:05
jaska	:D	13:05
timeless_mbp	(well, one doesn't typically call men sluts, so...)	13:05
TomaszD	is PR1.2 out yet?	13:06
TomaszD	;)	13:06
DokterW	wutr: That works fine if I want to start an application, but not so well if I want to launch a specific URL as MicroB, for some odd reason, wants to launch the bookmarks window each time.	13:06
Treibholz	timeless_mbp: really, I felt embarrassed, as soon, as I read what I wrote...	13:06
frals	baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah	13:06
joppu	:D	13:06
frals	~curse hildon-live-search	13:06
infobot	May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, hildon-live-search !	13:06
pupnik	and javascript text entry	13:06
timeless_mbp	Treibholz: as you can see, the bot here supports a limited 's/ooops/oops/' notation, so you can express your embarrassment by trying to correct your most recently written line :)	13:07
timeless_mbp	but it's ok :)	13:07
DokterW	wutr: I have also had no luck in finding .desktop file for bookmark shortcuts on the desktop. I have looked in /usr/share /etc and /home/user. must be in some conf file somewhere that I have not stumbled across, yet.	13:07
lcuk	i wonder whether i should update	13:07
timeless_mbp	DokterW: /usr/bin/browser —url whatever doesn't do what you want?	13:07
frals	lcuk: you should explain to me why i need to do raise TypeError("whatever") for my ctypes to start working properly	13:08
jaska	your client turns two - into a long dash?	13:08
* timeless_mbp kicks ham for being unbearably slow		13:08
DokterW	timeless_mbp: that works great, but it still, for some odd reason, opens the bookmark window too. :(	13:08
timeless_mbp	jaska: either my client or my os, not quite sure which :)	13:08
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timeless_mbp	DokterW: bugs.maemo.org has a 'Browser' product	13:08
chadi	should I download both fiasco and vanilla images to reflash emmc, or one is the subset of another?	13:08
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jaska	chadi: different parts, neither is a subset of either	13:09
timeless_mbp	if you can't find a bug complaining about that behavior, feel free to file one, be sure to include the command line you're using, your preconditions (no open windows) and your expected results :)	13:09
chadi	jaska: thank you	13:09
timeless_mbp	(and actual results...)	13:09
timeless_mbp	chadi: if you have to ask, you shouldn't use them :)	13:09
wutr	chadi: check the wiki about the firmware update and the eMMC part @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware	13:09
timeless_mbp	what's wrong w/ using SSU ?	13:09
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wutr	DoktwerW: that's where my knowledge stops :P	13:09
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chadi	i have directories that are duplicated in the file manager (and that lead to the same place), i'd like to get rid of that	13:10
timeless_mbp	chadi: if you mean the ones w/ pretty icons	13:10
DokterW	timeless_mbp: oki. thanks.	13:10
timeless_mbp	just ignore them	13:10
timeless_mbp	iirc updating doesn't fix that	13:10
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chadi	timeless_mbp: is that a bug?	13:11
FIQ	After this operation, 18,4MB of additional disk space will be used.	13:11
FIQ	You are about to do something potentially harmful.	13:11
FIQ	does that means	13:11
lcuk	frals, mm?	13:11
timeless_mbp	chadi: yes	13:11
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FIQ	that i'm going to fill up root if i continue?	13:11
FIQ	:p	13:11
chadi	timeless_mbp: oh, I thought I was the only one having this problem	13:11
chadi	fine, then. I'll flash fiasco image only	13:11
FIQ	hm, yep	13:11
FIQ	lol	13:12
timeless_mbp	chadi: again, why not let the system update over the air?	13:12
timeless_mbp	flashing should be a method of last resort	13:12
timeless_mbp	not a "ooh, i like burning down my house and starting over with a new prefab"	13:12
wazd	seriously, people :) Can anybody help me with skype video call?	13:12
timeless_mbp	wazd: eh?	13:12
wazd	timeless: how can I do this from n900? I don't have any visible option :(	13:13
* timeless_mbp grumbles		13:13
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FIQ	hmm	13:13
FIQ	looks like so	13:13
* FIQ need to clean up his rootfs		13:13
achipa	wazd: couldn't get it to work	13:13
chadi	timeless_mbp: I prefer that it wipes all my applications	13:13
achipa	wazd: it only appears in landscape and sometimes needs poking from the toolbar menu	13:14
timeless_mbp	chadi: well… if you like burning down your house, i guess you're free to do so	13:14
wazd	achipa: meh :D	13:14
chadi	timeless_mbp: heh	13:14
timeless_mbp	since it takes me over an hour to reinstall my apps, i'm not one of those pyro's	13:14
achipa	timeless_mbp: err, backup/flash/restore ?	13:14
timeless_mbp	achipa: the restore step is hardly fast	13:14
timeless_mbp	i did it last night	13:14
timeless_mbp	it didn't finish before i finished my dinner	13:14
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achipa	well... depends on how many apps you have, I guess	13:14
timeless_mbp	that included giving it a head start while we walked along outside in the rain	13:15
achipa	or how fast you eat in that case :D	13:15
FIQ	Hm	13:15
timeless_mbp	achipa: i prefer to digest my dinner	13:15
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timeless_mbp	we weren't in a hurry to finish	13:15
FIQ	Is there a way to see what applications that places itself optified and which that doesn't?	13:15
timeless_mbp	i think we started around 7 or so	13:15
timeless_mbp	and ended around 9	13:15
timeless_mbp	but my memory is bad	13:15
valdyn	FIQ: before or after pr1.2?	13:15
timeless_mbp	maybe it was 7:30 and 9	13:15
FIQ	valdyn: before	13:16
FIQ	i'm preparing for OTA updating tomorrow	13:16
timeless_mbp	FIQ: before installing or after installing?	13:16
FIQ	and i've 6% of root free	13:16
FIQ	after installing	13:16
chadi	valdyn: what changed after PR1.2 converning optifying?	13:16
timeless_mbp	FIQ: 6% seems a bit low	13:16
valdyn	chadi: its pretty much automatic	13:16
FIQ	yes, it is	13:16
timeless_mbp	you don't really want to see what applications are optified	13:16
chadi	valdyn: k, thanks	13:16
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timeless_mbp	so much as which things are not optified and are taking up too much space	13:17
lardman	morning all	13:17
timeless_mbp	i'm sure someone wrote a script to do that	13:17
valdyn	chadi: that means that even non-optified apps should be covered and not take much in /	13:17
chadi	valdyn: that's great	13:17
FIQ	ok, and where can i find that script?	13:17
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FIQ	i need more space but i don't want to uninstall everything at random. :å	13:18
FIQ	;p*	13:18
ghostcube	is there any reproducable reason for none meego on n900, else than making provit with new devices?	13:18
chadi	timeless_mbp I used that script, and it bricked my device :)	13:18
FIQ	hm, that feeled iPhonestyle	13:18
FIQ	felt*	13:18
FIQ	"NO FEATURE FOR U, PLEASE CHANGE PHONE"	13:19
timeless_mbp	heh	13:19
FIQ	lol	13:19
FIQ	Nice way to brick phones...	13:19
timeless_mbp	ooh, i just got email saying pr1.2 was approved	13:19
louigiverona	might be architecture problem with meego	13:19
ghostcube	its developed on n900 how should this come	13:19
joppu	http://joppu.22.fi/f/Screenshot-20100525-131447.png they removed the fake equalizer bars :D	13:20
valdyn	FIQ: http://pastebin.com/2i2VENtB	13:20
louigiverona	if not i think ppl will make it available anhway	13:20
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louigiverona	this is free soft	13:20
louigiverona	ware	13:20
TomaszD	joppu, yep, I suggested that actually :>	13:20
Shapeshifter	huh	13:20
joppu	there's now a play button with cicle thing rolling around	13:20
FIQ	*foss	13:20
Shapeshifter	oh lol	13:20
wazd	I have video-calls option in contacts enabled, but still nothing	13:20
Shapeshifter	I'm late to the party	13:20
* Shapeshifter throws confetti		13:20
louigiverona	free as in freedom i meant	13:21
louigiverona	:)	13:21
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valdyn	wazd: nothing as in what? no video call button in each skype contact?	13:21
ghostcube	ok what is prefered flashing complete or do the i hack it do teath variant :D	13:21
wazd	valdyn: yep	13:21
timeless_mbp	wazd: i'm not sure 1.2 includes skype-video...	13:22
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timeless_mbp	oh	13:22
timeless_mbp	maybe it does :)	13:22
* timeless_mbp shrugs		13:22
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wazd	timeless_mbp: well, it has an option :)	13:22
valdyn	leaked pr1.2 had it	13:22
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wazd	timeless_mbp: and it was mentioned in press release :)	13:22
achipa	it says it does, but I'm still waiting for confirmation as to what exactly is needed for it to work	13:22
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achipa	as it seems to be a hit or miss	13:23
timeless_mbp	valdyn: just because a leaked version has a feature doesn't mean it'll ship	13:23
valdyn	timeless_mbp: yes, i know	13:23
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crashanddie_	so where can we see qt4.6 goodness?	13:23
timeless_mbp	qt.com? :)	13:23
mece	who asked about skype video? Anyway I have, in contacts with skype three options now instead of only two. Skype IM, Skype call and Skype video call	13:23
alterego	So, today is the second coming. Does dthat mean tomorrow is the apocolypse? @)	13:23
mece	okej	13:24
mece	ppås	13:24
mece	oops	13:24
mece	hee	13:24
Shapeshifter	mh. I can't find any info on how much space on rootfs is needed, or if it's even possible to "update" instead of reflash.	13:24
achipa	alterego: commercial support for the apocalypse has been cancelled due to user experience on resistive screens	13:24
mece	Shapeshifter, a bunch and yes :)	13:24
FIQ	hmm	13:24
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FIQ	it says "Command not found" when i try to run the shell script	13:25
* Shapeshifter prepares for breakage		13:25
lejonet	FIQ: The flasher?	13:25
FIQ	/bin/sh: ./freespace.sh: not found	13:25
lejonet	lol?	13:25
mece	FIQ, wtf?	13:26
FIQ	tabbing to it works fine	13:26
sx0n	does it have x bit?	13:26
FIQ	but it doesn't want to run	13:26
FIQ	yes	13:26
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sx0n	what about: sh -c ./freespace.sh	13:26
FIQ	-rwxr-xr-x 1 user users 692 2010-05-25 12:24 freespace.sh	13:26
crashanddie_	what does it say?	13:26
FIQ	sh: ./freespace.sh: not found	13:27
sx0n	hm	13:27
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lcuk	FIQ, dos2unix - if you ever edited the file in windows potentially you have crlfs	13:27
crashanddie_	and sh freespace.sh?	13:27
sx0n	no freespace ;)	13:28
timeless_mbp	Trizt: ping	13:28
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FIQ	[12:30:26] <lcuk> FIQ, dos2unix - if you ever edited the file in windows potentially you have crlfs	13:28
FIQ	i took it from pastebin	13:28
PhonicUK2	my rootfs has 0b free and i cant find where the space has gone :\	13:28
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timeless_mbp	heh	13:28
crashanddie_	so are there any apps that use qt 4.6	13:28
FIQ	http://pastebin.com/2i2VENtB - from that	13:28
* timeless_mbp gets "(no applications")		13:28
lcuk	fiq via what means, just try it tho	13:28
timeless_mbp	s/")/)"/	13:28
joppu	timeless_mbp: refresh the repos	13:29
lcuk	X-Fade, maemo.org news isnt chronological	13:29
valdyn	FIQ: the file needs to be there obviously	13:29
FIQ	bleh	13:29
FIQ	/bin/sh: dos2unix: not found	13:29
timeless_mbp	joppu: from the task launcher :)	13:29
FIQ	valdyn: it is	13:29
joppu	D:	13:29
FIQ	i can tab to it	13:29
FIQ	i see it in ls	13:29
FIQ	etc	13:29
X-Fade	lcuk: It isn't intended to be?	13:29
valdyn	FIQ: ls ./freespace.sh	13:29
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X-Fade	lcuk: it is sorted by relevance?	13:29
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midas_	so, today and tomorrow there will be a new update :)	13:30
FIQ	[12:32:10] <valdyn> FIQ: ls ./freespace.sh	13:30
SpeedEvil	When is PR1.2 out (in the UK)?	13:30
FIQ	outputs ./freespace.sh	13:30
midas_	today	13:30
midas_	http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/	13:30
Khertan	crashanddie, i ve problem installing pyqt on pr1.2	13:30
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valdyn	FIQ: then "sh ./freespace.sh" will work	13:30
valdyn	FIQ: but it will throw at least one error if you dont do this as root	13:31
FIQ	hm, then it actually tried to run it	13:31
FIQ	and, it outputted 2	13:31
FIQ	try to runa s root	13:31
lcuk	Khertan, try installing healthcheck	13:31
FIQ	hmm	13:31
lcuk	it works on pr1.2 (i know ive had it for a while)	13:32
FIQ	wait a bit	13:32
sx0n	there was pretty cool video of roller coaster	13:32
FIQ	i'm already rppt	13:32
valdyn	FIQ: cant do anything useful when not run as root	13:32
FIQ	root*	13:32
lcuk	then check what its dependencies are	13:32
FIQ	lol	13:32
FIQ	"#" @ PS1	13:32
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Khertan	lcuk, it use only some modules of pyqt 4.6	13:32
SpeedEvil	Any common 'the upgrade will brick your device if you've done foo' stories?	13:32
SpeedEvil	midas_: Ah!	13:32
SpeedEvil	midas_: _now_ I understand the delay.	13:32
midas_	meh, tomorrow a update, better update all my extra-devel crap :P	13:32
FIQ	: not found.sh: line 5:	13:32
FIQ	line 5 is empty	13:32
SpeedEvil	midas_: Everyone was waiting for the UK release to be ready.	13:32
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valdyn	FIQ: sounds like you have dos2unix issues ?	13:33
valdyn	FIQ: borked cut & paste	13:33
midas_	yep, global wont be to tomorrow SpeedEvil	13:33
mikki-kun	hm, can anybody tell me how i can make a video-call to a contact via skype? (it is at least advertised)	13:33
Khertan	lcuk, i ve just create a new dist in my repository : fremantle-1.2 :)	13:33
FIQ	dos2unix didn't run	13:33
FIQ	"dos2unix: not found"	13:34
* timeless_mbp cries		13:34
achipa	mikki-kun: make a call and pick video call from the toolbar menu	13:34
timeless_mbp	what the heck is going on here?	13:34
valdyn	FIQ: get the file straight: "http://valdyn.org/optify.sh" ( and click through the silly ssl warnings )	13:34
PhonicUK2	hmm, its probably easier to backup and reflash rather than try and upgrade in place	13:34
valdyn	FIQ: get the file straight: "https://valdyn.org/optify.sh" ( and click through the silly ssl warnings )	13:34
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valdyn	FIQ: first url was wrong	13:34
PhonicUK2	does /home/ get removed when you reflash?	13:34
midas_	whaaat	13:34
midas_	that rollercoaster game is epic!	13:34
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK2: no	13:34
PhonicUK2	cool	13:35
FIQ	i think MyDocs is keeped	13:35
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FIQ	ah, SpeedEvil gave a better answer	13:35
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ZogG_N900	midas_, is it on ovi already?	13:36
PhonicUK2	whats the easiest way to reflash from windows?	13:36
PhonicUK2	can PC suite do it?	13:36
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK2: Only stuff in / is there	13:36
PhonicUK2	ok	13:36
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK2: Wait till you get the over-the-air update?	13:36
midas_	ZogG_N900: dunno, watched the movie just yet	13:36
mece	I recommend just following the instructions here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing	13:36
ZogG_N900	PhonicUK2, to install ubuntu and reflash	13:36
SpeedEvil	Only the stuff in / is removed, rather	13:36
PhonicUK2	the OTA update is causing hell	13:36
midas_	and will be waiting for over the air	13:36
PhonicUK2	because ive run out of space on root	13:36
ZogG_N900	midas_, the movie is old	13:36
Khertan	OUCH ! KhtEditor works very well on PR1.2 ... it s fast !	13:37
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK2: Worked for me - with 45m free	13:37
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PhonicUK2	i started with about 32MB free	13:37
PhonicUK2	now i have 0	13:37
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mece	is khtEditor like pygtkeditor but qt?	13:37
Khertan	yep :)	13:37
mece	nice	13:37
Khertan	but will be better	13:37
FIQ	ty	13:38
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mece	what's your repo again?	13:38
Khertan	pluggin support	13:38
Khertan	mece, still not available yet as binary	13:38
mece	ok	13:38
Khertan	as many things are still missing	13:38
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK2: Trust nokia. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46SgIBpQ-Q	13:38
FIQ	but... if that does what i think it do, why did Nokia put it in rootfs?	13:38
ZogG_N900	where is flash	13:38
Khertan	but you can follow dev and particip if you want on http://gitorious.org/khteditor/	13:38
ZogG_N900	give it to me	13:38
PhonicUK2	I don't trust nokia, and i work for them :P	13:38
FIQ	in first place i mean	13:39
Khertan	currently there is hilighting for Python only, auto rotation is working, also indent/unindent, comment, save, open, save as, new ... what are missing is preferences	13:39
Khertan	recent files	13:39
Khertan	execute	13:40
Khertan	and hilight for other language	13:40
ZogG_N900	PhonicUK2, work as?	13:40
Khertan	once this done i think i ll made a first 0.0.1 version	13:40
PhonicUK2	Software engineer, but nothing to do with handsets	13:40
Khertan	after that i ll work plugin ... like a syntax checker	13:40
mece	ZogG_N900, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing	13:40
Khertan	and maybe pylint integration	13:40
ZogG_N900	PhonicUK2, what kind of software if it's not a secret?	13:41
achipa	Khertan: I don't bloody believe it - they just chucked out qtscript	13:41
mece	Khertan sounds cool. I'm pretty happy with pygtkeditor, but it gets a little slow with big files.	13:41
joppu	http://joppu.22.fi/f/vidyacall.png	13:41
achipa	cool. Let's rewrite shepherd one more time... GRRRR	13:41
Khertan	achipa, :)	13:41
PhonicUK2	a piece of software we use internally for the quality control process surrounding the subscriber data management team	13:41
* SpeedEvil ponders filing the bug 'Video call makes me look ugly'.		13:41
joppu	Gtalk video is working quite nicely	13:41
mece	joppu, I couldn't get videocall to work from my N900 to friends mac.	13:41
mece	on skype	13:41
Khertan	achipa, anyway i install py-qt4-gui and py-qt4-core it s currently the only module i use in khteditor	13:41
ZogG_N900	mece, say what?	13:42
mece	it seemed fine from my side, but the other part didn't see a picture	13:42
PhonicUK2	how can i find out where space on / has gone?	13:42
mece	ZogG_N900, sorry, missunderstood	13:42
ZogG_N900	)	13:42
cehteh	PhonicUK2: du -x / \| sort -rn >,lst	13:42
SpeedEvil	PhonicUK2: unmount other filesystems - take the back off - and then find / -size +100k -mtime -2	13:42
achipa	Khertan: that's not the problem, the point is that libqt4-maemo5 HAD those modules. I mean, what next ? Will they toss out webkit on networking in PR1.3?	13:42
SpeedEvil	Oh - stupid busybox.	13:43
achipa	s/on/or/	13:43
infobot	achipa meant: Khertan: that's not the problem, the point is that libqt4-maemo5 HAD those modules. I mean, what next ? Will they toss out webkit or networking in PR1.3?	13:43
Shapeshifter	I strongly doubt there will be a 1.3	13:43
ZogG_N900	achipa, is there pr1.2	13:43
ZogG_N900	pr1.3	13:43
ZogG_N900	i meant	13:44
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SpeedEvil	It would have been lovely if there was a 'So, you're contemplating using library 'x' on your software' page. Which listed libraries, and their possible already-on-device variants.	13:44
achipa	no idea, just saying 'next PR'	13:44
mikki-kun	hm, skype video call is really buggy	13:44
mikki-kun	and no, i can't see my video being sent	13:44
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ZogG_N900	achipa, there would be no next pr	13:45
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ZogG_N900	meego not comming as well	13:45
ZogG_N900	it's funny	13:45
achipa	ZogG_N900: if they keep on removing packages that ARE going to be in meego it might be an advantage	13:45
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wazd	there will be no 1.3 unfortunately	13:46
achipa	ZogG_N900: there is no spoon	13:46
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Shapeshifter	and no cake	13:46
lcuk	really wazd how do you know?	13:46
* SpeedEvil has spoon.		13:46
lejonet	Shapeshifter: The cake is a lie anyway	13:46
pexi	when teh meego phone is coming?	13:46
ZogG_N900	we r doomed	13:46
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ZogG_N900	how old is nexus one?	13:47
FIQ	hmm	13:47
FIQ	performance issuces	13:47
wazd	lcuk: well, let's say "I was told" :P	13:47
odin_	so the "supported" software/upgrade lifecycle for N900 is 6 months ? and I thought mobile purchases were a 2 year consumable, I suppose its one way to ensure the user base buys another one, ha ha	13:47
FIQ	whatever, guess i will get rid of it soon	13:47
FIQ	nice with a lot of space in root fried. :p	13:47
zaheerm	why all this speculation about no support for n900?	13:47
lcuk	indeed	13:48
Stskeeps	zaheerm: PR1.2 came out with 'no commercial support of meego for n900'	13:48
FIQ	[12:50:04] <odin_> so the "supported" software/upgrade lifecycle for N900 is 6 months ? and I thought mobile purchases were a 2 year consumable, I suppose its one way to ensure the user base buys another one, ha ha	13:48
crashanddie_	because most people are whiny bitches	13:48
ZogG_N900	because of the nokia policy	13:48
FIQ	there has been 4 upgrades for Maemo	13:48
mikki-kun	hm, no, video call is not working with skype...	13:48
zaheerm	i know people working on maemo 5 still so there is definitely support	13:48
odin_	well its not entirely speculation, ah Stskeeps beat me to it ^^^^	13:48
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Shapeshifter	is anyone surprised?	13:48
FIQ	not counting the prereleases	13:48
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PhonicUK2	this sucks	13:48
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PhonicUK2	im gna have to reflash	13:48
joppu	nice, the facebook chat account just duplicated all my contacts !?	13:48
FIQ	meh	13:48
wazd	but lets return to the video call case :)	13:48
zaheerm	just because meego is not commerically released for n900 doesn't mean we end with PR1.2	13:49
FIQ	MeeGo is pretty much open source	13:49
loufoque	how can I install Microsoft fonts on maemo?	13:49
wazd	joppu: you have done it as I see?	13:49
dabelhotel	mikki-kun: skype video is working for me	13:49
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FIQ	people will hack it in, be sure with that. :)	13:49
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joppu	isn't there any script to merge contact with identical names?	13:49
mikki-kun	dabelhotel: hm... funny, cause i tried now 3 versions of skype	13:49
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wazd	dabelhotel: do you have dedicated option to video call along with chat and phone call?	13:49
mikki-kun	windows version, linux and the n900's	13:49
* odin_ has faith in the MeeGo N900 adaptation team		13:49
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ZogG_N900	joppu, there was some article about it	13:49
mikki-kun	every time i start the n900's video call i can't send/receive video	13:50
ZogG_N900	odin_, not the same	13:50
PhonicUK2	thats weird	13:50
dabelhotel	wazd: i video called the n900 from windows, then the video option button appeared after accepting the call	13:50
ZogG_N900	it's cool when device is kinda computer	13:50
PhonicUK2	i turned off my N900 and now its got a progress bar going across the screen?	13:50
PhonicUK2	whats it doing?	13:50
mece	dabelhotel, from what to what are you skype video calling?	13:50
dabelhotel	mece: windows 7, latest skype version	13:50
ZogG_N900	but to have support is good feeling	13:51
odin_	FIQ, 4 upgrades, sure you make it sound good, the number of upgrades is higher than 4 if your count every change and this is good, but putting a product that has a 1 to 2 years MINIMUM lifetime on back burner within 6 months of it FIRST going on sale, is not good	13:51
PhonicUK2	"Nokia updater service is unavailable" ...	13:51
mece	ok, anyone got N900-mac skype video calling working?	13:51
ZogG_N900	mikki-kun, u have bad karma	13:51
PhonicUK2	facking nokia	13:51
mece	PhonicUK2, what are you trying to achieve?	13:51
PhonicUK2	just trying to upgrade to pr 1.2	13:51
PhonicUK2	but my phone is doing a funny	13:51
zaheerm	mece, it failed for my mate who has a uk phone	13:51
dabelhotel	mece: i'll try mac now	13:52
FIQ	Hm	13:52
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odin_	ZogG_N900, yes I understand its not the same and agree, but its the best we get and sometime one can have more faith in oneself than the current vison of the Nokia corp entity	13:52
FIQ	Why does UK get it before everyone else?	13:52
mece	zaheerm, same for me.. well I called friends mac, and it seemed fine from my side but he didn't see pic.	13:52
midas_	odin_: you sould supprised?	13:52
FIQ	is there a logic behind it?	13:52
midas_	sound even	13:52
Shapeshifter	uhm	13:52
ZogG_N900	odin_, if specifications and drivers would go open	13:52
pupnik	why cant we manually assist the gps lock?	13:52
achipa	mece: n900-n900 works, n900-windows works, n900-linux doesn't (for skype)	13:52
wazd	dabelhotel: oh	13:52
mece	FIQ, everyone has it. OTA doesn't go all at once, and UK got delayed last time, so it's only fair.	13:52
midas_	havent you checked the n8xx or n7xx development?	13:52
FIQ	ah	13:53
achipa	linux buddies are too painful to look at apparently	13:53
wazd	dabelhotel: can't do that currently, but I thought one-way call would work as well	13:53
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odin_	well I am in the UK (with a UK/NL edition of N900) but its not on my update radar just yet	13:53
FIQ	just asked if there was a logic behind it, i'm fine with waiting 1 more day. :P	13:53
Shapeshifter	So. I had to uninstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr to install the qt 4.6 from the SDK repo to be productive. now it seems like I can't oft update because it doesn't find the update. any hints?	13:53
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mece	achipa, is there skypo vid on linux? (besides on N900)?	13:54
ZogG_N900	Shapeshifter, to wait	13:54
midas_	Shapeshifter: use the flasher?	13:54
mikki-kun	achipa: n900-windows does not work for me...	13:54
achipa	mece: yes ? on 2.0+	13:54
ZogG_N900	mece, sure	13:54
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joppu	this http://maemo.org/packages/view/fb-migrator/ ?	13:55
crashanddie_	confirmed, skype video call doesn't work with mac either	13:55
Shapeshifter	ZogG_N900: I thought I'll not be notified because I don't have mp-fremantle-generic-pr anymore anyway.	13:55
ZogG_N900	haha	13:55
achipa	mikki-kun: not saying it ALWAYS works, but I have 7 out of 7 fails for linux people	13:55
Shapeshifter	midas_: the wiki talks about some flasher.exe. I'm on linux.	13:55
mece	achipa, so that doesn't work. and apparently not on mac either.. or?	13:55
mikki-kun	achipa: well, linux-n900 does also not work	13:55
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Shapeshifter	midas_: oh nevermind	13:55
ZogG_N900	Shapeshifter, do u have app manager?	13:55
mikki-kun	i mean, what do we have video-calls for if it is that buggy?	13:55
achipa	mikki-kun: the direction is irrelevant	13:55
achipa	n900-linux or linux-n900, it's the same	13:56
mikki-kun	yeah... just typing linux was "faster" for me ;)	13:56
dabelhotel	wazd: yup, not working with a mac	13:56
crashanddie_	achipa: actually it's not irrelevant	13:56
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achipa	crashanddie_: care to explain ?	13:56
ZogG_N900	mikki-kun, u want video call? buy new N and MAYBE U get it	13:56
achipa	(I did test both)	13:56
mikki-kun	what should i buy new?!	13:57
* SpeedEvil wonders what the state of N900s in the supply chain is.		13:57
SpeedEvil	When did they start coming with pr1.1.1	13:57
ZogG_N900	i hate google	13:57
FIQ	i got mine with 1.1.0	13:57
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crashanddie_	achipa: skype supports multiple clients connected at the same time, thus each capability is advertised differently	13:57
ZogG_N900	i love nokia devices	13:57
ZogG_N900	but i hate nokia suppport. and i love google suppport	13:57
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odin_	ZogG_N900, Nokia support is better than Vodafone support !	13:58
FIQ	make them merge!	13:58
ZogG_N900	haha	13:58
FIQ	lol	13:58
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ZogG_N900	it's different things	13:58
lcuk	wazd ask your little contact person to speak to others inside nokia then (he can even speak to me there) and lets set him straight :)	13:58
crashanddie_	achipa: I can call a mac using the video call button (skype), it shows my video, but mac client doesn't get it/display it. Mac calls n900, and video option doesn't appear	13:58
Shapeshifter	can I read the imei out of some file in /proc or something?	13:58
odin_	Mobile Network Operators just want to sign you up and f**k you off for 24months, they dont care about software support	13:58
FIQ	interesting way the application manager works	13:59
Tuukka	Anyone have a problem with the lens cover becaming loose? The black part is coming of the blue part. :S	13:59
crashanddie_	shapeshifter: settings/about product	13:59
Shapeshifter	crashanddie_: I know. was asking about the cli though	13:59
mikki-kun	Shapeshifter: IMEI can be seen if you go to "settings ---> about product"	13:59
FIQ	first it updates, showing packages, then it update again...	13:59
odin_	and these days, software support is a much more major issue to me in the buying process, since mobiles could finally do things I wanted	13:59
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: Or if you pop the battery, and look under it	13:59
ZogG_N900	lcuk, anyway maybe we get small fixes	13:59
crashanddie_	shapeshifter: doubtful, you have to query the phone module for that stuff	13:59
mikki-kun	SpeedEvil: i assumed that he doesn't want to take the battery out	14:00
wazd	lcuk: sure I will :D	14:00
SpeedEvil	Tuukka: You can buy the cover seperately.	14:00
Shapeshifter	crashanddie_: ohkay thanks	14:00
SpeedEvil	Tuukka: Also - I'm not sure if that would be covered by warranty	14:00
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achipa	crashanddie: well, the linux client get no video buttons regardless if it is the caller or the callee... which is funny as there IS a cam drawn next to my N900	14:01
lcuk	and wazd also, one of my contacts says you smell like mouldy kippers ;) should i start telling everyone that :P	14:01
joppu	I just discovered the long-press on the keyboard!	14:01
mece	hee	14:01
mece	joppu what does that do+	14:01
mece	?	14:01
mece	fn-key?	14:01
ZogG_N900	long press	14:01
FIQ	ah	14:01
mikki-kun	sticky fn i suppose	14:01
crashanddie_	oh, nice	14:01
FIQ	rhat thing	14:01
mece	sweet	14:02
FIQ	with t	14:02
FIQ	how did i turn it off?	14:02
FIQ	when i get PR1.2 i mean	14:02
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mikki-kun	hmpf... it seems pr 1.2 made my apps rock-solid... ince started up i can't close em >.<	14:03
ZogG_N900	it's all conspiracy	14:03
mikki-kun	*once	14:03
wazd	lcuk: well, I knew that brits have very sophisticated sense of humor, so nothing wrong here I guess	14:03
Tuukka	SpeedEvil, somehow the spring inside has gotten loose and now it's pushing the plate apart :/	14:03
ZogG_N900	where is escape plan?	14:03
crashanddie_	anyone remember the qt 4.6 videos, demoing all the nice scrolling and such? any app that leverages that?	14:03
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* lcuk raises a glass to wazd		14:03
lcuk	hows matrix stuff going	14:04
ZogG_N900	my battery is going low	14:04
lcuk	and have you got ogl working for it yet	14:04
achipa	crashanddie_: I Are you talking about qt4.6 or QML ?	14:04
crashanddie_	wazd: sophisticated humour? when beckham started dating victoria, the crowds were chanting "oy beckham, does she take it up the arse?" hardly sophisticted	14:04
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crashanddie_	s/ticted/ticated	14:05
achipa	crashanddie_: there are places in the world where it could count as such :S	14:05
Tuukka	Seems like someone ha had similar problems with the lens cover http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48345	14:05
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wazd	crashanddie: that sounds more irish :D	14:05
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lcuk	ZogG_N900, with a stable OS updates dont need to be revolutionary, they need to support a decent stable of your apps - people dont rejoice because notepad got recompiled	14:06
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SpeedEvil	crashanddie: Do you have any proof one way or the other?	14:06
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crashanddie_	lcuk: notepad got recompiled???? OMG that's excellent!	14:06
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lcuk	:D	14:06
lcuk	you know what i mean :p	14:06
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* lcuk knows of at least 1 bug in pr1.2 o_O		14:07
crashanddie_	speedevil: proof?	14:07
mikki-kun	lcuk: which one would it be?	14:07
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sx0n	lcuk, it's not a bug if you don't reveal it.	14:07
jacekowski	ok	14:07
jacekowski	i need a new name for chromium	14:07
FIQ	lcuk: omg, we need to release PR1.2.1 now!	14:07
crashanddie_	jacekowski: unobtainium	14:08
Noma	"write failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bulk_write: no error" when i'm trying to flash pr1.2? anyone know solution?	14:08
SpeedEvil	Woo! My phone vibrated, and is now berooting.	14:08
FIQ	quick, before anyone detects it	14:08
lcuk	sx0n, sure	14:08
jacekowski	crashanddie_: that might work	14:08
Treibholz	jacekowski: Manganese	14:08
jacekowski	Goldium	14:08
Treibholz	or Molybdenum	14:08
jacekowski	Platinium	14:08
crashanddie_	jacekowski: AYCABTG	14:08
mikki-kun	why the heck do two "cp -r" kill my device, thus render it unusable for a few minutes?!	14:09
* SpeedEvil sees hands!		14:09
FIQ	How much space does 1.2 need for allowing OTA flashing?	14:09
crashanddie_	jacekowski: all your cookies are belong to google	14:09
jacekowski	FIQ: shitloads	14:09
TriztFromWork	mikki-kun; too much disk I/O ?	14:09
SpeedEvil	FIQ: Worked for me, with 43488 blocks	14:09
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jacekowski	FIQ: nobody managed to have that much space on rootfs	14:09
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Tuukka	Hmmm, i think i'll try to fix the lens cover by myself. The spring just has gotten off of it's "hook"	14:10
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mikki-kun	TriztFromWork: that can't be Ö.ö it's from internal eMMC to internal eMMC and and the files aren't too huge nor too small and too many	14:10
FIQ	rootfs 227.9M 166.3M 57.4M 74% /	14:10
FIQ	enough?	14:10
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alterego	Yeah, what's different about the eMMC image btw?	14:10
mikki-kun	i'll copy it with my notebook	14:11
crashanddie_	alterego: probably some logos, legal or images, nothing important	14:11
mikki-kun	for christ's sake.... that is bad	14:11
crashanddie_	~emmcinfo	14:11
alterego	crashanddie_: no new movie trailer then?	14:11
infobot	emmcinfo is, like, if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of.	14:11
crashanddie_	~usuk	14:11
infobot	usuk is, like, you suck	14:11
crashanddie_	~thanks	14:12
infobot	sure thing, crashanddie_	14:12
Noma	"write failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bulk_write: no error" when i'm trying to flash pr1.2? anyone know a solution?	14:12
sx0n	~pr1.2	14:12
infobot	somebody said pr1.2 was here	14:12
sx0n	heh	14:12
crashanddie_	noma: version, os, etc, our balls ain't made out of crystal	14:13
Tuukka	~pr1.3	14:13
infobot	hmm... pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now.....	14:13
crashanddie_	~forget pr1.3	14:13
infobot	i forgot pr1.3, crashanddie_	14:13
SpeedEvil	Umm...	14:13
SpeedEvil	Nokia has the right to use your emails in adverts and other media?	14:13
Noma	crashanddie_: trying to install pr1.2, now there's leakware in	14:13
mikki-kun	pr 1.2 is so not cool -.- crashed now my device 3 times in a row -_-	14:13
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mikki-kun	SpeedEvil: where did you read that? Ö.ö	14:14
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SpeedEvil	'However by submitting Material to the Service (ovi) you grant nokia a worldwide non-exclusive, assignable, fully paid, royalty free, perpetual and irrevocable license to ysem, copy,m publically perform, display, distribute and modify the Material, and to prepare derivitive works thereof...	14:15
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crashanddie_	~forget pr1.2	14:15
infobot	i forgot pr1.2, crashanddie_	14:15
Mobsan	~pr1.2	14:15
lcuk	Noma, reboot pc try again	14:15
mikki-kun	but only for ovi-things, right?	14:15
phellarv	Hey - I'm gonna flash my N900 with PR1.2 - Do I need to flash eMMC too?	14:16
Noma	lcuk: let's try	14:16
crashanddie_	~pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	14:16
infobot	okay, crashanddie_	14:16
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phellarv	~flashing	14:16
PhonicUK2	its definately easier to backup & reflash :\	14:16
infobot	[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	14:16
PhonicUK2	the OTA update completely killed my device	14:16
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: As I read it that applies to mail.ovi.com too	14:16
wazd	oh, I've found a bug! You can't enter + into "mobile phone" field for your own card	14:17
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mikki-kun	so if i would use ovi to manage my mails i'd allow nokia to sniff in 'em?	14:17
mikki-kun	good that i am not using that	14:17
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crashanddie_	mikki-kun, sure, because google, yahoo, microsoft or your IsP are so much better and trustworthy	14:18
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: Oh - never mind - the terms are completely invalid on their face.	14:18
Shapeshifter	mhhhhhhhhh	14:19
SpeedEvil	mikki-kun: At the top 'These terms.... govern your use of the application or website where you saw them.'	14:19
Shapeshifter	I kinda never lose my stuff. but I can't find my micro usb cable.	14:19
Shapeshifter	awesome	14:19
mece	Shapeshifter, same thing happened to me. I borrowed from a friend	14:19
tybollt_	SpeedEvil: meh - how comforting :S	14:19
Noma	lcuk: same errors after reboot	14:20
mikki-kun	hm... now anybody want to explain me why "mount" in xterm states me, that /home/user/MyDocs is rw, but if i wanna copy things it tells me it isn't?	14:20
Shapeshifter	mece: I guess I need to wait until tomorrow when I meet a friend	14:20
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mikki-kun	if i flash the emmc, i need to flash fiasco as well, right?	14:21
alterego	I wonder what's going to happen to the Legendary thread now :)	14:21
alterego	I guess PR1.3 ?	14:21
TomaszD	you need to flash fiasco and then emmc without rebooting mikki-kun	14:21
FIQ	or PR1.2.1	14:21
TomaszD	so no "-R" flag for the FIASCO image	14:21
FIQ	@ alterego	14:22
phellarv	Anyone care to do a md5sum on their Global PR1.2? Just wanna make sure I don't got a faulty download.	14:22
mikki-kun	i was only wondering wether a broken eMMC could be flashed without killing the device...	14:22
Noma	where can i get the FIASCO image? the page with all the images doesn't have link for that	14:22
lcuk	alterego, nothing	14:23
mikki-kun	yeah, goddamn nokia makes so many "security" mechanisms in there that i need to reflash my device now -_-	14:23
phellarv	561a95bced4e10b7e95d749c08d5c17d RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	14:23
lcuk	did you see the montage shot of all pictures in first pages	14:23
Shapeshifter	phellarv: 561a95bced4e10b7e95d749c08d5c17d	14:24
phellarv	Shapeshifter: Thanks	14:24
Noma	can someone tell me what's the fiasco image and where can i get it? :D	14:24
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phellarv	Noma: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php	14:25
Noma	so does FIASCO mean the OS image?	14:25
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Noma	for example RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?	14:25
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phellarv	Noma: Yep	14:26
* noobmonk3y waves		14:26
Noma	:/	14:26
ghostcube	hi noobmonk3y :)	14:26
noobmonk3y	:D	14:26
Noma	and that's what i'm not able to flash now	14:26
noobmonk3y	whos not able to flash what? way to many flashers around today ;) hehehe	14:27
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* tybollt_ has nothing in HAM		14:27
Noma	noobmonk3y: i get "wrote failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bluk_write: no error" when i try to flash pr1.2	14:27
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Noma	*write failed	14:27
PhonicUK2	i flashed pr 1.2 no problem :)	14:27
tybollt_	guess I'm being fucked by the geoip thing	14:27
Noma	*usb_bulk_write	14:27
PhonicUK2	now to reinstall all my apps :\	14:28
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noobmonk3y	noma - interesting one - the faile message can mean an error in the comman line run though	14:28
PhonicUK2	I also can't remove some of the built in ones that you used to be able to remove	14:28
PhonicUK2	facebook et al	14:28
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mikki-kun	Noma: is the md5 of the fiasco ok?	14:28
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Noma	i go check (the flashing machine is in different room)	14:28
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* noobmonk3y slaps frals with a trout		14:30
* frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout		14:30
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* noobmonk3y lols at the extra flashing machine isea		14:30
noobmonk3y	idea even*	14:30
frals	no more trouting, watching 24 series finale!	14:30
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noobmonk3y	OOooOOooo	14:30
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noobmonk3y	sounds thrilling	14:30
pupnik	such trash	14:31
Noma	noobmonk3y: my primary pc has 64-bit windows only, so i have to flash it with the 32-bit xp	14:31
noobmonk3y	ahhhhhhhhhhh	14:31
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PhonicUK	Noma, same here - so ive flashed it on my XP box at work xD	14:31
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bash247	hey guys my n900 has been updating for the past 2+hours, is this normal?	14:31
* noobmonk3y needs to recover a corrupt excel 2007 file, using excel 2003 - any quick suggestions? :D		14:31
thresh	moo	14:31
noobmonk3y	compatability poack installed tho	14:32
Ikarus	bash247: that just depends on your connection :)	14:32
lcuk	noobmonk3y, you should use visicalc format	14:32
* noobmonk3y blinks		14:32
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bash247	Ikarus: its downloaded but its been up updating for ages	14:32
ghostcube	lcuk: no chance you can insert the office 2007 comp addon to 2003?	14:32
ghostcube	noobmonk3y: sorry	14:33
Noma	ok, quite stupid mistake from me, i had -k parameter instead of -F... just copypasted the line from a .txt file i made when i flashed the overclocking kernels...	14:33
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lcuk	why are you asking me? :D	14:33
thresh	pr12 + overclocking == ?	14:33
ghostcube	weong tabbing lol	14:33
lcuk	i strongly dislike the later MS offices	14:33
* lcuk still has 2000 on his machines		14:33
noobmonk3y	Noma: told you so ;)	14:33
achipa	Khertan: seems qttest+qtscript will be pushed by Nokia a bit later, so not much to do on my side, when they do it, it will be installable	14:33
Noma	noobmonk3y: yup :D	14:33
noobmonk3y	hehehe	14:33
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noobmonk3y	thresh: i didnt tell you this - works fine	14:33
noobmonk3y	lcuk: have to admit loving 2010	14:34
* Shapeshifter hates the fact that themes change the wallpapers		14:34
thresh	:)	14:34
Shapeshifter	how annoying is that	14:34
lcuk	2010 is a good year	14:34
pupnik	agree	14:34
lcuk	Shapeshifter, mm? make your own theme :p	14:34
* noobmonk3y returns back to lcuk's offering - visicalc - wasn't/isn't that the oldest spreadsheet program around?		14:34
pupnik	but it isnt the year we make contact	14:34
pupnik	yet	14:34
lcuk	noobmonk3y, sure	14:34
lcuk	and its still runnable	14:34
* noobmonk3y took a while to catch up there		14:35
lcuk	31 years old	14:35
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noobmonk3y	bearing in mind i was probably being born at the same time as visicalc	14:35
ghostcube	noobmonk3y: as is suggsted use the fomrat compatibility addon in 2003 for 2007	14:35
noobmonk3y	i lie ....	14:35
ghostcube	woah my xchat sux	14:35
noobmonk3y	i was minus 2 years old	14:35
lcuk	if theres something microsoft used to do right, it was sorta backwards compatability	14:35
* noobmonk3y thanks ghostcube		14:35
* noobmonk3y doesnt know what that is but will investigatey		14:36
hrw	lcuk: m$ do good keyboard/mouses	14:36
ghostcube	noobmonk3y: its for using 2007 files in 2003 :D	14:36
ghostcube	and i must restart xchat brb	14:36
noobmonk3y	hrw: they did, you mean	14:36
lcuk	hrw sure, apart from one keyboard i got was totally broken	14:36
noobmonk3y	ghostcube: i have the compat pack installed, but looks corrupted	14:36
Ikarus	hmz, PR1.2 global release in repositories will be tomorrow	14:36
ghostcube	hmmmm	14:36
Ikarus	?	14:36
lcuk	the keyboard was split in half	14:36
lcuk	my home keys were so far apart :D	14:36
ghostcube	damn cant se anything anyone types brb	14:36
PhonicUK	hmm, does PR1.2 take less space on / than previous versions?	14:36
hrw	noobmonk3y: I do not know do they do them still	14:36
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hrw	noobmonk3y: I have 3 m$ keyboards and one mouse	14:37
noobmonk3y	hrw: true, but too expensive for what they are a 1.99 keyboard of ebay is just as good and functional	14:37
noobmonk3y	but gd point the basic ones are great	14:37
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* Khertan is a bit disappointed ... he have put too much hope in mfe fix with gmail		14:37
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* lcuk hits noobmonk3y on the head with an IBM clicky		14:37
hrw	noobmonk3y: I user ergo ones only	14:38
lcuk	real keyboards have weight	14:38
noobmonk3y	oh lol - never got to grips with them	14:38
* noobmonk3y giggles		14:38
roquetto	re	14:38
hrw	noobmonk3y: RSI hurts	14:38
valdyn	Khertan: why dont you use the nokia push mail service with gmail?	14:38
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roquetto	question: to use libosso-abook with Qt, must I load it with QLibrary or what?	14:38
pupnik	could we get maybe a meego device with rresistive screen?	14:38
* SpeedEvil wonders if people will ever read their terms and conditions before DISTRIBUTING THEM TO MILLIONS OF USERS.		14:38
noobmonk3y	that will be a weighty headache if i threw it at someone	14:38
SpeedEvil	https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261	14:38
povbot`	Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect.	14:38
Ikarus	SpeedEvil: no ?	14:39
* SpeedEvil sighs		14:39
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noobmonk3y	lcuk: i have a laptop from 1983 sitting on my desk ;)	14:39
Khertan	valdyn, ?	14:39
tybollt_	frals?	14:39
Khertan	valdyn, how do this works ?	14:39
valdyn	Khertan: nokia collects your mail and pushes to your phone	14:39
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Khertan	valdyn, and how to configure it ?	14:40
valdyn	Khertan: email.nokia.com, set up your accounts, then add your nokia messaging account to the n900	14:40
Ikarus	SpeedEvil: quite an interesting list of EULA problems	14:40
Khertan	oh i ll take a look ... thx	14:41
Ikarus	especially as I DO NOT want to accept the terms to the Ovi Store	14:41
SpeedEvil	Ikarus: That was only the highlights - there were more	14:41
SpeedEvil	Ikarus: It's not the ovi store	14:41
Ikarus	SpeedEvil: and the private non-commercial purposes	14:41
Ikarus	WTF	14:41
Ikarus	ofcourse	14:41
valdyn	Khertan: im using it with one @gmail.com and one google hosted business domain and my private mail, so I know it works	14:41
SpeedEvil	Ikarus: It's some poorly defined 'ovi services' thing	14:41
Ikarus	most of the EULA is quite invalid here	14:41
Ikarus	heck, EULAs are invalid here :)	14:41
Khertan	valdyn, as if i remember last time i check it wasn't compatible with n900	14:42
valdyn	Khertan: no, it was compatible from n900 release	14:42
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Khertan	(was checked with a preproduction device :) )	14:43
valdyn	Khertan: but its confusing that you dont have to get the nokia messaging client - It's built into n900 email client	14:43
Khertan	yep	14:43
Khertan	yep ... and i'm currently looking how to create an account	14:44
Khertan	it s strange	14:44
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valdyn	Khertan: yea, i think the web interface is retarded	14:44
valdyn	Khertan: but its good enough	14:44
Khertan	but they said me that the software is already on my n900 when i want to create an account	14:45
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Ikarus	SpeedEvil: it's always interesting though, EULA	14:45
Ikarus	s	14:45
Ikarus	SpeedEvil: I mean it's not like they actually give legal powers to Nokia	14:45
Khertan	valdyn, so how to create it ?	14:46
Khertan	and where to configure it on n900	14:46
Khertan	it s far from being clear	14:46
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valdyn	Khertan: yea, it changed a little probably	14:46
valdyn	Khertan: not to the better	14:46
valdyn	Khertan: i just log in on web and add/modify email accounts	14:47
valdyn	Khertan: on the n900 you create a new email account and select nokia messaging provider	14:47
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achipa	IF nokia messaging is available with your SIM (duh)	14:48
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valdyn	why would it be bound to a sim?	14:49
pigeon	so can one upgrade to 1.2 without reflashing yet?	14:49
Corsac	in uk yes	14:49
SpeedEvil	pigeon: UK peeps	14:49
Wolfie	if you're in uk	14:49
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pigeon	oh	14:49
pigeon	and if not?	14:49
noobmonk3y	hmmmm was ovi store meant to get an improvement too? or still same old crap?	14:49
Wolfie	wait for tomorrow	14:49
valdyn	noobmonk3y: 27th	14:49
Tuukka	Fixed the lens cover! Hopefully the old glue will last, cause I didn't add any new.	14:49
pigeon	right, thanks.	14:49
Wolfie	noobmonk3y: on thursday, iirc	14:49
noobmonk3y	ahhhh cheers valdyn	14:49
noobmonk3y	thanks Wolfie	14:49
FauxFaux	~/lc	14:49
FauxFaux	FAILED	14:49
Wolfie	waiting for that elusive angry birds level pack	14:49
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Corsac	should we remove catorise before upgrading, btw?	14:50
Corsac	or will it cohabit with pr1.2 just fine?	14:50
X-Fade	Corsac: Works fine.	14:50
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PhonicUK	does PR 1.2 have the skype video chat?	14:53
PhonicUK	if so, has anyone tried it?	14:53
timeless_mbp	well, i can see "Skype video call" on my n900 :)	14:54
PhonicUK	nice	14:54
PhonicUK	anyone wanna try device <-> device?	14:54
Tuukka	Some one wrote that it works nicely, it was in "are you satisfied with pr1.2" threat i think	14:54
Khertan	valdyn, didn't see any nokia messaging in isp list	14:54
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loufoque_maemo	xchat isn't exactly nice on maemo	14:55
lcuk	it works tho	14:55
lcuk	and each update it gets stable	14:55
lcuk	tweaked to be more stable	14:55
timeless_mbp	Khertan: nokia messaging is basically a deal between nokia and your cellular provider	14:55
timeless_mbp	if nokia hasn't made a deal w/ your provider, the option won't appear	14:56
loufoque_maemo	the default settings make it unusable	14:56
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timeless_mbp	when you try to create an account it will tell you something like "checking for messaging availability"	14:56
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marmoute	PR 1.2 is a lie	14:57
SouBE	yeah	14:57
PhonicUK	not in England its not :P	14:57
Khertan	timeless, oh ... didn't know ... thx ...	14:57
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noobmonk3y	not everywhere if you want to flash	14:57
noobmonk3y	i was on global and flashed to the new global version fine :D	14:57
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PhonicUK	lol	14:58
achipa	timeless_mbp: and if it has, then you can keep wondering why you STILL don't have it, as your provider and Nokia keep pointing fingers at each other :)	14:58
Khertan	timeless_mbp, they block pop3 and imap ... so why autorize other things :)	14:58
PhonicUK	whats the difference between the Global and country specific versions?	14:58
PhonicUK	is it just localization stuffs?	14:58
noobmonk3y	PhonicUK: very little at the moment :P	14:58
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timeless_mbp	achipa: that's where the fun is :)	14:59
PhonicUK	im glad i didn't get a network gimped handset :)	14:59
PhonicUK	debranding ftw on other units though :P	14:59
noobmonk3y	are there actually branded handsets now?	14:59
PhonicUK	yeah, Vodaphone I think	14:59
noobmonk3y	hmmm not seen any and was in a vodafone store last week - looked generic to me	15:00
noobmonk3y	aware they have firmware though	15:00
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Tuukka	looks ain't everything :)	15:00
PhonicUK	my N97 was a T-Mo gimped unit	15:00
PhonicUK	until I debranded it	15:00
PhonicUK	I don't think T-Mo have ever passed on a firmware upgrade in a reasonable time frame	15:00
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wutr	Hi! Why is the PR 1.2 for all regions available already, while nokia says it releases tomorrow (26 may)? (UK today, but I need the global one)	15:06
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Wolfie	OTA is for UK only, comes for everyone else tomorrow	15:07
lcuk	some people are never happy, wutr if the update is ready 24hours before whats the issue?	15:07
Torne	wutr: because they haven't rolled out all the update packages for SSU yet. The firmware images are out for all regions, yes.	15:07
Wolfie	the flash image is available for eveyrone	15:07
wutr	haha not whining, just curious	15:07
wutr	maybe they mean the OTA update	15:07
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sx0n	they have DIY update for everyone	15:08
wutr	SSU = ?	15:08
jacekowski	i'm officialy surprised	15:08
jacekowski	wutr: OTA	15:08
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jacekowski	that UK has something before rest of the world	15:08
timeless_mbp	~ssu	15:08
infobot	[ssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU	15:08
timeless_mbp	~ota	15:08
jacekowski	normally UK version was released later	15:08
jacekowski	~ota is ssu	15:08
infobot	okay, jacekowski	15:08
timeless_mbp	jacekowski: we had to make up for their previous disadvantaged state :)	15:09
wutr	thank you ;)	15:09
jacekowski	~ota is ~ssu	15:09
infobot	...but ota is already something else...	15:09
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SpeedEvil	~ota	15:09
jacekowski	hmm	15:09
infobot	hmm... ota is ssu	15:09
SpeedEvil	~ssu	15:09
infobot	from memory, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU	15:09
jacekowski	btw. my phone is just upgrading	15:09
jacekowski	s/phone/tablet/	15:09
infobot	jacekowski meant: btw. my tablet is just upgrading	15:09
wutr	and the vanilla image, 10.2010.13-2, is that the one belonging to PR 1.2 as well?	15:10
mece	woo tmo down	15:10
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jacekowski	wutr: no	15:10
mece	oh it's back. just laggy	15:10
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sx0n	~dos	15:10
infobot	dos is, like, (Disk Operating System) This OS is what got it all started for PCs. Denial of Service...	15:10
SpeedEvil	jacekowski: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261	15:10
povbot`	Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect.	15:10
jacekowski	RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	15:10
mece	heey new record amount of users online. 2513	15:10
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wutr	jacekowski: that's the firmware itself right? but I thought there would be a new vanilla eMMC image as well..	15:12
jacekowski	wutr: there is	15:13
jacekowski	RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin	15:13
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wutr	check :)! thanks	15:13
jacekowski	radio died	15:13
Corsac	hmhm, and during that time, repo.meego.com has seen quite some moves	15:13
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PhonicUK	aah so glad i reflashed :)	15:18
PhonicUK	87MB free on rootfs without any messing around	15:18
* SpeedEvil checks his boogs.		15:19
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PhonicUK	where is the skype video call option?	15:19
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jacekowski	yeah, upgrade failed	15:21
jacekowski	on not enough space on /	15:21
TigerTael	Jesus, 1.2 finally came out	15:21
wutr	PhonicUK: read here earlier that it's only available in portrait mode and if still not >> options, or tap on it somewhere (?)	15:21
jacekowski	TigerTael: i was more likely to believe that jesus has walked on water rather than pr1.2 will came out	15:22
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TigerTael	haha	15:22
puzzled	lol	15:22
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TigerTael	So guys, is it AWESOME? :D	15:24
Oli```	meh	15:24
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BCMM	i'm reinstalling an arseload of applications	15:24
jaska	walking on water is easy	15:24
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BCMM	then i will look for awesome	15:24
jaska	just wait for winter	15:24
thunderfest	looks like the opengl es packages are broken after upgrade to 1.2	15:24
thunderfest	libgles1-sgx-img: Depends: opengles-sgx-img-common (= 0.20091104.6.1+0m5) but 0.20091104.34+0m5 is to be installed	15:24
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BCMM	is there a changelog, or does that not go with nokia's secrecy?	15:25
Oli```	I keep hitting settings on the menu trying to click the old More link that doesn't exist anymore	15:25
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jacekowski	~pr.1.2	15:25
jacekowski	~pr1.2	15:25
infobot	from memory, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	15:25
asj_	BCMM: there's normally a closed buglist	15:25
thunderfest	anyone else have brain party or Nehe tutorials fail to reinstall after upgrade?	15:25
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summel	the backup application sys that my memory card is read only but it is not :O	15:25
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BCMM	asj_: what about enhancements?	15:26
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asj_	BCMM: conversations.nokia.com	15:26
Oli```	thunderfest: brainparty reinstalled fine here (from extras-devel)	15:26
X-Fade	thunderfest: Yes, that is a known issue. SDK team is looking at a fix.	15:26
BCMM	asj_: reading now	15:26
summel	what do i do nw?	15:26
loufoque	~flashing	15:26
infobot	i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	15:26
BCMM	i wonder if they fixed sync?	15:26
tekojo	http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2	15:26
BCMM	no meego for the n900?	15:27
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summel	BCMM: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/	15:27
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summel	:O	15:27
Corsac	404	15:27
summel	wtf	15:27
thunderfest	X-Fade: is there a page where I can check the status of the fix?	15:27
summel	all images are 404	15:27
BCMM	summel: "Although Nokia N900 devices are being used for platform development and testing purposes by those involved in the MeeGo project, we don’t have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900."	15:28
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summel	netbook images als	15:28
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summel	release imminent?	15:28
summel	BCMM: so what?	15:28
summel	it will not come as an update	15:28
summel	but thats nothing new	15:28
wutr	PhonicUK: Maybe I meant landscape instead of portraid, don't remember what it was	15:28
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BCMM	i like the removal of the "more" thing on the menu	15:28
frals	woho Thanked: 1,000 times \o/	15:28
summel	HOW DO I MAKE AN UPDATE?????	15:28
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wutr	~update	15:29
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infobot	dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update	15:29
summel	errr	15:29
summel	backup	15:29
wutr	lame	15:29
loufoque	does upgrading to 1.2 require flashing my device and erasing everything that is on it?	15:29
summel	not update	15:29
summel	:P	15:29
puzzled	capslock stuck?	15:29
summel	loufoque: no	15:29
loufoque	summel: how do I upgrade then?	15:29
Oli```	loufoque: if you run a backup first, you can restore all the installed things after flashing	15:29
Oli```	and most of the settings	15:29
summel	loufoque: wait for the device to tell you that there are updates	15:30
wutr	~update firmware	15:30
summel	Oli```: backup does not work!	15:30
wutr	(lets see if that works)	15:30
Oli```	summel: works for me	15:30
summel	it says my memory card is read only	15:30
loufoque	summel: it does, but it tells me I need to use some special PC software	15:30
summel	it worked for me before :(	15:30
loufoque	which of course I don't have	15:30
loufoque	special PC software = special windows software	15:30
wutr	loufoque: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware	15:30
Tuukka	~flashing	15:30
infobot	flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	15:30
summel	but my backup is old	15:30
wutr	aaah thanks Tuukka	15:30
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summel	and i want to mak a new one but it does not work	15:30
summel	-_-	15:30
loufoque	wutr: that does flash and erase everything.	15:30
crashanddie	why the hell did all the series finales suck this year?	15:31
thunderfest	X-Fade: is there a page where I can check the status of the opengl es fix?	15:31
X-Fade	thunderfest: Don't know.	15:32
wutr	loufoque: not if you don't flash eMMC I believe, but you can wait for the SSU (I learned something too today ;))	15:32
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crashanddie	community -- became the show it wanted to be so satirical of. Bones -- parody of itself; uneventful and anticlimactic season finale case + no interesting b-line story arcs, nor surprises (everyone leaves for a year, ya-fucking-hoo). House -- uneventful and anticlimactic season-finale case. Lost (hated the show, and now I have half the fanbase agreeing with me: it sucked), 24 (admittedly, those two I'm not sad to see go. Lost an	15:33
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crashanddie	it's like all the writers are on strike, but they asked the cleaners to finish writing the stories. Or maybe the writers are actually trying to bore us to death.	15:35
SpeedEvil	Wacky. Front-cam is not completely shit.	15:35
* noobmonk3y kicks frals in the shins		15:35
lcuk	crashanddie, they were on strike	15:35
lcuk	tv hasnt gained its momentum since	15:35
crashanddie	some shows did	15:35
crashanddie	Some shows handled the mid-season break very nicely	15:36
lcuk	debatable	15:36
crashanddie	yes, that's the whole point of "some shows"	15:36
GAN900	Pffffft	15:36
puzzled	hmm no x86_64 maemo_flasher	15:36
crashanddie	GAN900: yes?	15:36
SWFu64	Any UK users have an OTA update yet?	15:36
haltdef	<-	15:37
satmd	O_O	15:37
satmd	wh00t	15:37
crashanddie	SWFu64: it's past midnight in the UK, so doubtful	15:37
haltdef	updated my n900 a few hours ago	15:37
Tuukka	Can't wait till Qt apps start flooding to repos =)	15:37
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SWFu64	It's 13.37 here now	15:37
alterego	crashanddie: midnight? Which UK are you in. It's lunch time :P	15:37
GAN900	crashanddie, MeeGo announcement re: N900	15:37
crashanddie	SWFu64 & alterego: Well, that's still "past midnight"	15:37
SWFu64	Oooh there it is. :)	15:37
wutr	:P	15:37
alterego	Hahah	15:38
SWFu64	Seemed to take a while to appear in app manager	15:38
crashanddie	GAN900: yeah well. Stskeeps will be able to keep working on Mer after all.	15:38
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wutr45	damnit, mIRC crashing on me again	15:38
SWFu64	've been waiting for Skype video calling for some time:)	15:39
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Myrtti	mIRC :-(	15:39
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PhonicUK	thats a weird bug	15:39
wutr49	and again	15:39
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crashanddie	GAN900: it's like they can't even make up their minds. Once it's "No, nothing'll be supported", then they release development images, everyone assumes it means we'll get it, and now "Well, we know we have a development environment, but you can still piss off"	15:39
crashanddie	GAN900: how many decision makers in Nokia? Too many methinks.	15:39
PhonicUK	i set my status to "Offline" and the green icon in the status menu says im still online	15:39
wutr49	seems to happen when I click the icon in the windows start bar, or whatever it's called	15:39
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wutr49	taskbar?	15:39
SWFu64	Just need the monitor mode patchesback and I'm sorted	15:39
Stskeeps	crashanddie: meh, why mer?	15:40
crashanddie	Stskeeps: well, Mer being the fork/branch being that contains an installable package with drivers and shit	15:40
Stskeeps	.. why?	15:40
noobmonk3y	frals: fresh install testing ....	15:40
* noobmonk3y holds his breath		15:40
crashanddie	Stskeeps: or "codename"	15:40
Stskeeps	meego for n900 provides them	15:40
Stskeeps	:P	15:40
noobmonk3y	frals: failboat express - wooop woooop	15:41
crashanddie	Stskeeps: but it won't be supported, so we'll need a "community edition", no/	15:41
crashanddie	?	15:41
Stskeeps	crashanddie: support = nokia answers tech support about it	15:41
puzzled	is it correct that there is no PR 1.2 image specifically for Europe (non-UK) and that I should use the Global release called RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ?	15:41
crashanddie	Stskeeps: I read it more like "we will not provide any images that can be used to install on the n900"	15:41
PhonicUK	does anyone else not like the new virtual keyboard?	15:41
tekojo	puzzled: yes	15:42
PhonicUK	i prefered the old one :\	15:42
Stskeeps	crashanddie: that's not the reality though	15:42
puzzled	tekojo: thanks	15:42
alterego	I'm in the UK and I use the global release ..	15:42
crashanddie	Stskeeps: I'll believe it when I see it	15:42
MohammadAG	PhonicUK, you'll get used to it	15:42
Stskeeps	crashanddie: install the flashable image from codedrop	15:42
Stskeeps	:P	15:42
MohammadAG	or...	15:42
* noobmonk3y throws frals at MohammadAG		15:42
Stskeeps	closed image	15:42
MohammadAG	repackage the old one as a new version and pull in old libraries	15:42
lcuk	which is more open, meego or maemo	15:43
Stskeeps	meego	15:43
crashanddie	meego, sounds of it	15:43
lcuk	then why in gods name are things like codedrop still being used	15:43
crashanddie	lcuk: oh baby	15:44
alterego	Interesting, the N900 codedrop URL isn't working ..	15:44
lcuk	you are right about a community edition crashanddie	15:44
satmd	actually... the firmware of pr1.2 global is on the nokia site already, too - unlike the announcement in topic	15:44
alterego	http://meego.com/downloads	15:44
lcuk	i woud love a complete maemo community UX for meego :)	15:44
PhonicUK	now when are we getting Flash 10 eh?	15:45
lcuk	nice suite of open source apps sat ontop of the open meego stack	15:45
PhonicUK	or have adobe stopped bothering :P	15:45
alterego	In fact, none of those links are working for me.	15:45
* tybollt_ trouts MohammadAG		15:45
SWFu64	Haha, wtf, http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black--2GB-TF-Card--Original-Price--125-99_p86837.html	15:45
tybollt_	frals: ?	15:45
* MohammadAG ricochets frals at noobmonk3y		15:45
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Myrtti	how productive	15:46
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lcuk	thats a defence mechanism	15:47
lcuk	defense even	15:47
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satmd	SWFu64: a comment on it says: no touchscreen, lmao	15:47
MohammadAG	since 1.2 is out	15:47
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roquetto	I need to access maemo's address book - should I go for libosso-abook/libebook or is it safe already to try Qt Mobility API?	15:47
lcuk	MohammadAG, how was your exam	15:47
MohammadAG	i can now dd rootfs	15:48
MohammadAG	and see if what i told DocScrutinizer works	15:48
alterego	How hard will it be for us to do a "Theme" application category?	15:48
jacekowski	not hard at all	15:48
MohammadAG	like C, it shot me in the foot	15:48
alterego	In dire need of user/Themes or something	15:48
MohammadAG	jk, it was python-y	15:48
MohammadAG	:P	15:48
jacekowski	well, you would need to rebuild all packages	15:48
frals	noobmonk3y: you suck!	15:48
lcuk	alterego, expand discussion to the mailing list, there will be shouts, if i remember rightly it was hard work organising the current keywords	15:48
jacekowski	with changed category	15:48
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noobmonk3y	frals: why thank you!	15:49
villemv	interestingly pr12 feels faster than the warez versions I ran before	15:49
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jacekowski	alterego: just move themes to different repository	15:49
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jacekowski	alterego: extras-themes	15:49
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noobmonk3y	villemv: warez, lol!	15:50
roquetto	anyone played with Qt Mobility?	15:50
frals	noobmonk3y: what failed?	15:50
villemv	well, unofficial ones	15:50
alterego	jacekowski: that's a bit of a cop-out solution really :P	15:50
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MohammadAG_	DIIEEEE	15:50
alterego	Easy to do, but still ..	15:50
villemv	roquetto: it should be okay to use qt mobility	15:50
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jacekowski	alterego: nobody gives fuck about themes really	15:50
MohammadAG_	dead	15:50
MohammadAG_	:)	15:50
noobmonk3y	frals: well, i did a fresh install - and hoped it would pick up the settings auto-magically - meh it didnt	15:50
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jacekowski	alterego: so if i could just make them disappear it would be much better	15:50
frals	whats your operator and does the settings exist in /etc/operator_settings?	15:50
lcuk	villemv, running real version always tastes sweeter :)	15:50
alterego	jacekowski: :)	15:51
roquetto	villemv: thanks - that sounds easier than mixing Qt code with libosso-abook API	15:51
frals	noobmonk3y: if they dont, file a bug!	15:51
* noobmonk3y also wishes all themes and things would have their own category and stop cluttering up the applications lists		15:51
MohammadAG	I can finally upgrade to ubuntu 10.04!	15:51
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* noobmonk3y eats the bug and farts		15:51
alterego	MohammadAG: don't tell me you've been waiting for PR1.2 to do that aswell! :D ^.^	15:51
Tuukka	SWFu64, it even has an gravity sensor lol	15:51
villemv	roquetto: and you can complain to GNUton-BNC if it breaks ;-)	15:51
* roquetto takes notes		15:51
roquetto	villemv: thanks ;)	15:51
* noobmonk3y throws the notes at frals		15:51
MohammadAG	alterego, how'd you know	15:51
MohammadAG	:)	15:51
* noobmonk3y stares at MohammadAG		15:52
alterego	MohammadAG: well, I've been doing the same :D	15:52
cehteh	ohnoes 1.2 really? :)	15:52
MohammadAG	lol	15:52
noobmonk3y	cehteh: nope, all a dream, back to sleepies	15:52
cehteh	ok	15:52
noobmonk3y	or was it a nightmare? meh	15:52
cehteh	i thought hell has frozen over	15:52
MohammadAG	alterego, the 1.1.1 SDK was priceless for me	15:52
noobmonk3y	cehteh: i did see a monkey and a pig flying by this morning though	15:52
lcuk	mmmm bacon	15:52
MohammadAG	umm	15:53
noobmonk3y	lcuk: i'm gonna ram a veggie sausage up your.... anyway.... nice and sunny everywhere today?!	15:53
tybollt_	mmmmh bacon	15:53
tybollt_	oh wait	15:53
frals	noobmonk3y: it helps so i know if its a bug in fmms or just missing settings in the file	15:53
Corsac	BLT \o/	15:53
MohammadAG	did I disconnect two hours ago?	15:53
tybollt_	bacon is not PC in here...	15:53
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* tybollt_ thinks of mohammad and the lads		15:53
noobmonk3y	frals: most likely me, will buggify it :D	15:53
MohammadAG	i left the irc connected during my exam, thought lcuk would help	15:53
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noobmonk3y	MohammadAG: you werent here when i was screaming your name in vain	15:53
frals	you had an exam about bacon?	15:53
frals	otherwise i cant see how lcuk would be able to help!	15:54
tybollt_	frals: pig academy?	15:54
noobmonk3y	frals: pigology - MohammadAG 's speciality ;)	15:54
MohammadAG	rofl	15:54
noobmonk3y	sits nicely along side his alocohology course	15:54
lcuk	tybollt_, bacon is perfectly acceptible meat based candy food group.	15:54
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MohammadAG	how'd you know that?	15:54
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tybollt_	lcuk: Not in Israel it isn't	15:55
lcuk	and just like marmite and twiglets will cause debate around the world about whether or not they are edible	15:55
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MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, guess what my 3rd course is	15:55
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noobmonk3y	MohammadAG: your studying english right? thats pretty much the study off fat arse bacon eaters and drunks (Just a guess, lol)	15:55
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noobmonk3y	lcuk: i love twiglets, hate marmite	15:55
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, lol passing my GCEs	15:55
noobmonk3y	lol MohammadAG ;)	15:55
tybollt_	mmmh marmite	15:55
* tybollt_ drools		15:55
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MohammadAG	my nick should've given off what my 3rd course is	15:56
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lcuk	tybollt_, i dont personally like squid or other food groups, that doesnt mean i dislike other people talking about them	15:56
MohammadAG	weaponary!	15:56
MohammadAG	:)	15:56
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, adjust the auto kick regex to 1.3	15:56
tybollt_	lcuk: Thing is bacon can get the wrong person go all SHALOM or JIHAD on your ass :)(	15:56
noobmonk3y	~PR1.2	15:56
lcuk	so they prefer human bacon?	15:56
alterego	Hah, Jews eat Bacon too.	15:56
MohammadAG	LOL @ tybollt_	15:56
* tybollt_ spent som time in Kuala Lumpur - suffice to say I had not much alcohol and bacon during... :-\|		15:56
noobmonk3y	meh infobot on holiday?	15:57
MohammadAG	~pr1.2	15:57
noobmonk3y	~ PR1.2	15:57
infobot	hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	15:57
MohammadAG	she hates you	15:57
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	15:57
infobot	it has been said that pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	15:57
MohammadAG	~pr1.3	15:57
tybollt_	lcuk: Depends. I know plenty .us jews that eat it not	15:57
noobmonk3y	spambot attack	15:57
noobmonk3y	oh wow	15:57
tybollt_	FUCKING STOP THAT FOR FUCKS SAKES	15:57
noobmonk3y	tybollt_: sorry daddy	15:57
lcuk	tybollt_, no it means that some people are unstable anyway. talking about food should not be the cause of angst for people	15:57
noobmonk3y	did it once, no reply, so added a space....	15:57
MohammadAG	~pr1.3	15:57
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MohammadAG	infobot, yoy're fired	15:58
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG: think you need a space	15:58
MohammadAG	you*	15:58
alterego	I think I should have waited until updating PR1.2	15:58
alterego	Some of the apps aren't installing correctly ..	15:58
tybollt_	lcuk: jajaja	15:58
MohammadAG	infobot, pr1.3	15:58
noobmonk3y	alterego: why? no added bacon?	15:58
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MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, nah, it's lagging	15:58
tybollt_	lcuk: in any case I am fairly sure we agree - mmmmh bacon :-)	15:58
MohammadAG	it'll throw 4 messgaes now	15:58
MohammadAG	she*	15:58
* noobmonk3y grins		15:58
* MohammadAG shrugs		15:58
Termana	Thats right	15:58
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Termana	You shouldn't be worried about the jews eating bacon	15:59
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, you were missing for about a week	15:59
frals	bah	15:59
MohammadAG	i thought the x-s were the reason	15:59
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG: sorry will also be missing for another week :(	15:59
lcuk	Termana, im not	15:59
noobmonk3y	under a lot of pressure at the mo :(	15:59
Termana	You should worry about them SLAYING ANIMALS TO APPEASE THEIR GOD	15:59
MohammadAG	<-- mo	15:59
noobmonk3y	^ Mo not mo	15:59
MohammadAG	Oh?	16:00
noobmonk3y	Moo	16:00
Myrtti	Go Away, There's nothing to see here	16:00
noobmonk3y	Myrtti: see where? see what? when? how! WHYYYY!!!	16:00
MohammadAG	Termana, some of them don't, kosher i think	16:00
tybollt_	Has anyone here been at a halal slaughter or a kosher slaughter?	16:00
* lcuk wanders off and lets the chat topic change		16:00
tybollt_	If you haven't well ... don't comment on it :)	16:00
* frals lets lcuk change while the topic wonders off		16:00
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tybollt_	lcuk: I call chicken on you ;P	16:00
* noobmonk3y throws the floppy disks of dos 3.0 @ lcuk		16:00
E0x	http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nokia-updates-n900-to-version-1-2-in-uk-closes-door-on-meego/	16:00
noobmonk3y	hehe frals	16:01
MohammadAG	yep they have to diss the N900	16:01
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tybollt_	MohammadAG: engadget and gizmodo are sites invented to hype anything out of Apple Inc I suppose	16:01
tybollt_	course they will diss a superior device :)	16:01
MohammadAG	tybollt_, i know	16:02
MohammadAG	they suck tbh	16:02
MohammadAG	flash - they mention stevie	16:03
ZogG	hey	16:03
MohammadAG	Nokia - they mention f ups	16:03
ZogG	MohammadAG, reflashed?	16:03
MohammadAG	not yet	16:03
MohammadAG	umm	16:03
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MohammadAG	need to check this bb stuff	16:03
MohammadAG	going into fedora o/	16:03
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tybollt_	but haeh - no meegoo?	16:03
tybollt_	that was a surprise	16:03
tybollt_	certainly judging from what Stskeeps have been saying	16:04
GAN900	Surprise indeed.	16:04
tybollt_	GAN900: no to you- - no way	16:04
tybollt_	s/no/not/	16:04
infobot	tybollt_ meant: GAN900: not to you- - no way	16:04
GAN900	Nokia deserves what they get.	16:04
tybollt_	come now, you knew this ages ago - surely	16:04
GAN900	Nope	16:04
GAN900	I'm not particularly more informed than anybody else on corporate stuff	16:04
ZogG	hm, i can't reflash	16:05
GAN900	No NDA	16:05
ZogG	i don't remember how i managed it last time	16:05
achipa	GAN900: the 100$ question is why did they feel the need to say it (considering the announcement policy history)	16:05
GAN900	achipa, dunno	16:06
crashanddie	GAN900: you're a 24 yo bearded guy, they're scared of you.	16:06
GAN900	22	16:06
Ikarus	Engadget seems to be quite wrong though	16:06
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Ikarus	there seem to be significant work for it	16:06
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tybollt_	crashanddie: HAHAHA :)	16:07
Ikarus	so perhaps no official release for the N900, but it damn well be used as the development kit for MeeGo	16:07
happyblob	i just assumed the upgrade wont be pushed out over the air (i.e. manual.. for the power users to play with) and they didnt want to get novice users' hopes up?	16:07
tybollt_	that is just weird though - innit?	16:07
tybollt_	"You will develop the distro on this device but you can never run the official outcome on it"	16:08
Ikarus	tybollt_: not really	16:08
frals	theres quite a difference between making something work for developrs and supporting it for endusers... i imagine	16:08
X-Fade	There is a big difference between an development platform and a commercially supported platform.	16:08
Ikarus	frals: exactly	16:08
andrewfblack	Morning	16:08
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tekojo	andrewfblack: morning	16:09
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Stskeeps	morn andrew	16:09
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* GeneralAntilles 's currently picturing another Fremantle-for-N8x0 Mer-esque situation.		16:10
andrewfblack	Morning Stskeeps guess its time to dig my N900 out of drawer	16:10
GeneralAntilles	I'm really worried the reference shit just isn't going to cut it.	16:10
t_s_o	reference?	16:10
* GeneralAntilles wouldn't be surprised if Flash 10.1 works with the N900+1 and the N900 but Nokia specifically disallows its use for N900 users.		16:10
t_s_o	possible, nokia is in the hardware sale business after all	16:11
andrewfblack	GeneralAntilles: Meego for N900 has a group of professionals working on it Mer was just community members	16:11
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tybollt_	frals: considering it will run on the device the only reason they won't officially support it has to be revenue	16:11
Surfa	GeneralAntilles, what are you after with that kind of assumptions?	16:11
N900killa	NOKIA BETRAYED US!!! TRAITORS!	16:11
frals	tybollt_: running on device != supporting it for endusers	16:11
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tybollt_	frals: the ever standing marketing no#1 rule - NEVER _E V E R_ support a new OS/software on an old device.	16:11
N900killa	No freaking meego on the n900 - FAIL	16:11
Stskeeps	sigh	16:11
Stskeeps	did you read the 'commercially supported' part	16:12
* tybollt_ hones in on Stskeeps		16:12
N900killa	YES	16:12
N900killa	i dongt	16:12
tybollt_	Stskeeps: presto!	16:12
tybollt_	Stskeeps: we did	16:12
GeneralAntilles	andrewfblack, is that supposed to make me feel BETTER? :P	16:12
tybollt_	Stskeeps: thing is - will I void warranty installing it?	16:12
Ikarus	tybollt_: no	16:12
N900killa	i dont want an os put together by a bunch of pimple faced hackers. i want official release !!!!	16:12
frals	Stskeeps: you're fighting a losing battle ;)	16:13
andrewfblack	GeneralAntilles: did you ever really think Nokia would Offically support a new OS on old device, they only ever did it once with N800 because n810 was just N800 with keyboard	16:13
tybollt_	wow that's a lot of exclamationpoints	16:13
GeneralAntilles	Surfa, that Nokia is clearly incapable of learning the lessons of the past 5 years, is more than happy to jettison whatever inertia they've built up behind a platform with each new hardware release and hates its customers.	16:13
GeneralAntilles	andrewfblack, and the N900+1 is, apparently, just an N900 without.	16:13
Stskeeps	frals: i'm pondering to go watch a movie	16:13
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, do that.	16:13
tybollt_	frals: that is the point, indeed	16:13
N900killa	nokia give me my money back	16:13
tybollt_	Stskeeps: your contempt is duly noted. ;-P	16:13
Surfa	GeneralAntilles, later on you may notice how much too hard you take this all	16:13
Stskeeps	tybollt_: good question, i'm not sure - there was a thread on this at some point	16:14
GeneralAntilles	Surfa, maybe maybe not.	16:14
pexi	any info when the meego-phone is coming?	16:14
Surfa	GeneralAntilles, calm down and enjoy your great device	16:14
tybollt_	Stskeeps: to be honest this is no different then any other company would've done... I'm not really outraged...	16:14
N900killa	huge huge huge fail nokia	16:14
pexi	stfu and save cash	16:14
pexi	:)	16:14
GeneralAntilles	Surfa, unfortunately I'm not really in that position.	16:14
N900killa	pexi: toy your nokia never	16:14
* GeneralAntilles points to the hostmask.		16:14
* frals points to his hostmask, mine is cooler!		16:15
pexi	N900killa, I don't care, I want a new hardware anyway :)	16:15
GeneralAntilles	tybollt_, continual sad disappointment.	16:15
GeneralAntilles	tybollt_, that's what Nokia brings for its customers and community members.	16:15
Stskeeps	marvin, is that you?	16:15
Stskeeps	:P	16:15
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N900killa	I'm freaking disappointed nokia - never again am I buying nokia	16:15
Stskeeps	N900killa: good for you, go complain somewhere else	16:16
lcuk	N900killa, since maemo is open source, what could you add to improve it yourself	16:16
TomaszD	nobody cares N900killa, you can go now...	16:16
N900killa	stskeeps: open your fanboy blinders suckers	16:16
Surfa	kind of provoking discussion yep :)	16:16
Stskeeps	N900killa: first warning, watch the language..	16:16
Stskeeps	GeneralAntilles: what weirds me out is that so many people pitch open source, but when it comes to it, they just want a closed system	16:16
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Stskeeps	where the vendor does it all	16:16
Surfa	luckily some people do have got the point of this all	16:17
lcuk	open source does not mean being spoon fed everything, you have one of the most open operating systems on any device - one thats capable of supporting and utilising multiple toolkits	16:17
GeneralAntilles	Stskeeps, I want open source where the vendor doesn't do everything in its power to undermine it. ;)	16:17
Andy80	what is the official Qt libs distributed with PR 1.2?	16:17
lcuk	Andy80, qt 4.6	16:17
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zomg	N900killa: welcome to the world of business. Name a company that has never broken something they said :p	16:17
lcuk	on flash	16:17
Andy80	I tried installin Tweego after upgrading to PR 1.2 and it wants to download 44 Mb of Qt libraries	16:17
lcuk	optified nicely :D	16:17
* lcuk is pleased at that		16:17
Surfa	GeneralAntilles, your points somehow make me think that you're working for apple, google or samsung perhaps? :)	16:17
achipa	lcuk: but where's the business model ? why bother with open source if you don't want to leverage it ?	16:17
* frals is pleased lcuk is pleased		16:17
Andy80	lcuk: I mean... there are two builds	16:17
lcuk	Andy80, it shouldnt	16:17
ZogG	flashed mtf	16:17
crashanddie	lcuk: no, open source means you accept help where you lack expertise or craftmanship (at least, that's what it means in my book). It's not about how many things you can run on it, it's about how you treat the people who want to help.	16:18
lcuk	achipa, so use the qt stuff?	16:18
Andy80	libqt4-gui, libqt4-maemo5-gui for example	16:18
tybollt_	Well	16:18
tybollt_	anyway	16:18
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tybollt_	what I would really like to see now is a new device, meego or maemi - doesn't matter. But I want a smaller N900, N900 min if you will	16:18
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frals	hmpf still no comment on my merge request with vertsms :<	16:18
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ZogG	after flash - what settings i can lost?	16:19
TomaszD	ZogG, all, so back up using the built-in backup application.	16:19
achipa	lcuk: considering how Qt in PR1.2 has been handled, I have my reserves	16:19
SWFu64	The OTA update is not working for me, it just says to connect up and use Nokia Software Update	16:19
lcuk	crashanddie, sure thats one aspect, but openness means not being locked into one specific path - helping build the barn to improve existing things is equally valid	16:19
tybollt_	achipa: do elaborate	16:19
tybollt_	achipa: what's your gripe?	16:19
achipa	lcuk: for desktop, I'll take Qt any day. For mobile, far from sure	16:19
lcuk	achipa, yeah please do	16:19
ZogG	TomaszD i did it, restoring	16:20
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flukebox	hi all ... I ran into some problem related to theme chooser on my nokia n900.... I am not able to run theme selector from settings/personalization ... Does anybody know the application name for the same... which i can fire from command prompt ??	16:20
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ZogG	i mean after restore ( had to mentioned it)	16:20
SWFu64	Anyone have any ideas?	16:20
PhonicUK	anyone know a good N900 theme?	16:20
N900killa	nokia needs fools that continue buying into their junk - fools	16:20
PhonicUK	I'd love something like a blue version of the Humanity theme	16:20
frals	what we need here is a real good troll	16:20
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frals	no shit N900killa is already here :(	16:21
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range	But is it a good troll?	16:21
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achipa	tybollt_ lcuk: well, for example, we had this public community - nokians meeting with regard how Qt is going to be deployed in PR1.2, had an agreement and in the end PR1.2 comes out and it turns out to be not quite what was agreed on	16:21
* N900Evil stabs N900killa		16:21
crashanddie	lcuk: but instead of accepting defeat on specific levels, they took the corporate way, and told everyone to "wait, wait, wait". Rather than doing that, they should've opened up the stuff that was hurting people: MfE would've been fixed in days or weeks had it been open sourced. No-one could try and fix it, because it's close sourced, locked down, and what not. Some things have been fixed using very smart hacks (catorise for exa	16:21
loufoque	why is the firmware different for vodafone devices?	16:21
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lcuk	achipa, whats different?	16:21
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flukebox	any idea ???	16:22
flukebox	anyone	16:22
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N900killa	all I'm saying is all N900 buyers got their money stolen by nokia	16:22
achipa	achipa: well, at some point someone decided to optify it + move it to a different directory	16:22
lcuk	crashanddie, again, agreed - but you cannot force open source on people	16:22
achipa	talking to myself, duh	16:22
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lcuk	all open source can do is route around the damage	16:22
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TomaszD	I think I found a really serious issue in PR1.2...	16:22
TomaszD	oh god...	16:22
frals	yes N900killa now please go elsewhere if thats all you have to say	16:22
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achipa	lcuk: and had we known that was the plan, our suggestions would have been different	16:22
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Stskeeps	TomaszD: your device burst into flames?	16:22
lcuk	achipa, you arent talking to yourself	16:22
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Stskeeps	if not, not serious enough!	16:23
Ikarus	crashanddie: quite alot of other stuff was easily fixed due to the opensource stuff (wrong enter being send by xterm, some issues related to mediaplayer, etc)	16:23
lcuk	i know quite a bit about the optificaiton of qt	16:23
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TomaszD	Stskeeps, no, but whenever I remove an app with appman it downloads and installs a random app	16:23
E0x	what data the backup save ?	16:23
TomaszD	I'm being serious	16:23
lcuk	but if apps are expecting specific folders that should have been catered for with symlinks etc?	16:23
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E0x	just sms , contacts , or save apps too ?	16:23
tybollt_	achipa: oh really? Care to be a bit specific on the "not quite" part?	16:23
achipa	lcuk: so the 'community compromise' in the end resulted in a suboptimal solution (as in, we make extra effort to break our own stuff)	16:23
frals	lol TomaszD, that sounds AWESOME :D	16:23
lcuk	achipa, so if i write a qt app now it wont work?	16:23
Torne	did xterm actually get fixed in PR1.2 then?	16:23
frals	E0x: depends what you tell it to save	16:23
TomaszD	it happened four times already	16:24
lcuk	or if i compile a desktop qt app ?	16:24
achipa	lcuk: we could have avoided the whole libqt4-maemo5 mess	16:24
Ikarus	Torne: it should have, it was documented as being fixed	16:24
Termana	TomaszD, nah THATS A FEATURE	16:24
Stskeeps	TomaszD: whenever you remove an app with appman, it pays for a ovi store app?;p	16:24
ZogG	Stskeeps have you kicked me today too =)	16:24
TomaszD	I had a kimi app, lockdeamon, now I have unofficial Hungarian translation	16:24
crashanddie	lcuk: then don't pretend to be. Remember the nice talks that Nokia had about being surprised by how well Open Source worked for them? Remember the talk they gave about people saying "Open Source will never work" and now having people inside Nokia congratulate them because it was such a success? What kind of marketing bollocks is that. They don't even know 6 months ahead if their division will still exist.	16:24
achipa	(as in renaming, invalidating, manually updateing dependencies, etc)	16:24
TomaszD	whenever I remove the unwanted app, something else gets installed	16:24
lcuk	achipa, qt went a bit wild	16:24
achipa	tybollt_: it was stated several times that libqt4 WILL be on NAND	16:24
E0x	frals: ok , thx	16:24
TomaszD	can anyone confirm this behaviour?	16:25
frals	TomaszD: the good news is that H-A-M is oss and at maemo.gitourious.org so you can track it down and fix it if you know c ;)	16:25
ZogG	do i need to turn readd all repos or i just need to turn them off after restore	16:25
tybollt_	achipa: ? I thought stskeeps said NAND was just /boot now a days?	16:25
Torne	Ikarus: it's not marked as fixed on bugzilla	16:25
Ikarus	my only real gripe with Nokia is that they don't want to call the DRM mode in the next device either that or "cripple mode", but instead wanting to use a more deceptive name	16:25
crashanddie	lcuk: MeeGo was announced because Maemo has been deemed a failure by Nokia management. It doesn't matter how much Ari or Quim believe in it, it's over. Maemo will be dead and gone in a year, and we'll look like idiots for having tried to improve things.	16:25
Stskeeps	tybollt_: that's on meego	16:25
tybollt_	achipa: anyway why does it matter? Speed concerns?	16:25
Ikarus	Torne: it was marked on the fix list on the wiki	16:25
tybollt_	Stskeeps: d'oh sorry :)	16:25
Torne	Ikarus: well, i'm testing it now :)	16:25
Ikarus	Torne: anyway, else I have a .deb for it	16:25
jacekowski	OMG	16:26
achipa	tybollt_: it matters because we broke EVERY SINGLE Qt package on maemo.org because of that nomenclature	16:26
jacekowski	my phone is now fubar	16:26
ZogG	crashanddie the king is dead ,viva la king	16:26
ZogG	i hope it would be ported to n900 anyways	16:26
Stskeeps	meego?	16:27
Stskeeps	it is!	16:27
Stskeeps	:P	16:27
ZogG	Stskeeps, i mean more oficial	16:27
tybollt_	achipa: Eeeek :-\|	16:27
lcuk	Stskeeps, what about the ux ontop tho	16:27
Ikarus	ZogG: it will be official	16:27
ZogG	official than putting android on n900	16:27
Ikarus	ZogG: the question is one of support	16:27
frals	ZogG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53571	16:27
ZogG	Ikarus, the nokia said different	16:27
SWFu64	Can someone point me to a good pr1.2 guide please, ota is not working for me, and Nokia oftware Updater is saying there is no update.	16:27
Ikarus	SWFu64: OTA will be out tomorrow	16:28
Stskeeps	ZogG: it isn't support - you can't call tech support for it, but it is made professionally	16:28
lcuk	you can call tech support	16:28
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lcuk	they will ask what version of maemo you areon	16:28
ZogG	Stskeeps Ikarus maemo is on n900 without support - so what? =)	16:28
SWFu64	Ikarus, I can see the update, i just does not work, it tells me to connect to pc an use the software updater	16:28
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Ikarus	ZogG: without OFFICIAL support	16:28
ZogG	lcuk i would say 6 =)	16:28
Ikarus	ZogG: ie, you can't call Nokia and bitch	16:28
lcuk	ZogG, :)	16:28
jacekowski	Ikarus: you can	16:28
jacekowski	Ikarus: but they will just ignore you	16:29
ZogG	i don't have n900 in my country so i don't that care of phone support - until new programs for n900 and bugfixes are coming	16:29
ZogG	and new teh not passing it	16:29
Ikarus	jacekowski: exactly	16:29
ZogG	i dunno but our country wouldn't get n900	16:30
achipa	tybollt_, lcuk : plus, just to make it more funky just SOME qt packages are optified	16:30
ZogG	though we don't have nokia here at all	16:30
ZogG	only company representing nokia	16:30
tybollt_	Stskeeps: Maybe I asked you this before but...	16:30
lcuk	achipa, apps themselves are optified based on individual app policy	16:30
tybollt_	Stskeeps: are there speed concerns nand vs emmc wrt binaries etc?	16:30
lcuk	thats nothing to do with OS	16:30
achipa	tybollt_, lcuk : so QtGui yes, QtCore/Sql/Xml no	16:30
ZogG	nokia are nazi =))))	16:30
tybollt_	achipa: why do they do that though?	16:31
achipa	lcuk: but these are packages that depend on each other	16:31
E0x	lol	16:31
Torne	ZogG: be nice	16:31
* Torne works at nokia :(		16:31
Torne	(not on maemo)	16:31
lcuk	achipa, do you want to try and do something, get a tree showing the footprint of qt on the device	16:31
lcuk	all folders used and files dropped	16:31
Torne	Ikarus: It's still broken in PR1.2	16:31
ZogG	Torne, it was joke =) i'm from israel =)))))	16:31
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lcuk	so we can try to arrange it?	16:31
Torne	Ikarus: where did it say it was fixed? :)	16:31
Ikarus	Torne: ah well, once I have PR1.2 and tested my new binaries I'll toss you a copy of the .deb	16:32
ZogG	Torne, can i call you and bitch about meego on n900 after it would be ported? pleeeease?	16:32
Torne	ZogG: no	16:32
Torne	:)	16:32
achipa	lcuk: seems they went with a simple size filter -> gui and webkit are the biggest, so they go to opt	16:32
ZogG	damn	16:32
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Torne	ZogG: i don't work on meego either	16:32
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achipa	lcuk: never mint that qtgui is the most often used one after core...	16:32
ZogG	Torne, i just need attention =)	16:32
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Torne	ZogG: people are only allowed to ask me for support with rockbox :)	16:33
jacekowski	162M used on root	16:33
ZogG	YEAH!!!	16:33
lcuk	achipa, perhaps - go into #qt-maemo and discuss with them	16:33
lcuk	jacekowski, :)	16:33
lcuk	nice isnt it	16:33
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ZogG	i got ukeyboared installed on my N900 finally, waited for a loooooong loooong time	16:33
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achipa	lcuk: isn't it spilt milk ?	16:33
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drizztbsd	Hi	16:34
achipa	lcuk: the biggest gripe, needlessly kicking ourselves in the balls, can't be undone	16:34
lcuk	achipa, well, it couldv been spoken out about before ;)	16:34
drizztbsd	do I need to upgrade the eMMC?	16:34
drizztbsd	I see that there is a new eMMC image	16:34
lcuk	its not like there werent any opportunities	16:34
drizztbsd	eMMC content 10.2010.13-2	16:34
achipa	lcuk: yes, if that wasn't a DISCUSSED AND AGREED UPON plan, maybe it would make sense	16:35
jacekowski	any upgrades to MfE?	16:35
lcuk	achipa, wheres the planning documents?	16:35
ToJa92	[drizztbsd]: I didn't flash the new eMMC	16:35
lcuk	and if you have them file bugs against them	16:35
ToJa92	so I guess you don't	16:35
drizztbsd	ok thanks	16:35
achipa	there was an irc meeting with half a dozen nokians, let me dig up the log	16:36
ToJa92	I don't know if there's any new content though	16:36
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achipa	and then there were the conclusions on maemo.org/news, official council announcement and all	16:36
ZogG	anyway do i readd all repos or restoring does that?	16:36
lcuk	achipa, an irc log isnt a spec	16:36
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Khertan	jacekowski, there is bug fixes on MfE ... but still didn't sync email with my gmail account	16:36
achipa	lcuk: so what exactly are we supposed to do ? Ask written confirmations as official irc meetings and nokian blogs are not relevant ?	16:37
ToJa92	[Khertan]: Google doesn't support MfE officially... contacts and calendar should work though	16:37
achipa	lcuk: this wasn't some random chitchat, it was #maemo-meeting business	16:37
lcuk	achipa, sure who agreed to take on the task?	16:37
Khertan	ToJa92, google doesn't support anythings officially ... everythings is beta ...	16:38
lcuk	and still ifnd the documents relating	16:38
Khertan	ToJa92, but be carrefull that i didn't blame nokia for MfE not working with Gmail ... their (gmail) implementation isn't standart !	16:38
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mikki-kun	anybody notived a huge slowdown in his n900 after pr 1.2?	16:38
Khertan	ToJa92, but be carrefull that i didn't blame nokia for MfE not working with Gmail ... their (gmail / on google side) implementation isn't standart !	16:39
ToJa92	[Khertan]: Well if you want to sync contacts + calendar you could use SyncEvolution	16:39
mikki-kun	mine is as slow as a vic32 running windows vista for the first time	16:39
ToJa92	then you can use the mail client for mail	16:39
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Khertan	ToJa92, yep this was mainly to avoid imap as imap is blocked by my phone isp ... and exchange isn't (https port)	16:39
ToJa92	oh	16:40
Khertan	ToJa92, but i ll continue to use my dns tunnelling :)	16:40
ToJa92	well, imap isn't blocked by my operator, so I'm happy :)	16:40
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Khertan	ToJa92, full internet ... limited in speed for 69 Euros by month ... or restricted to http, https for 25 Euros by month (with 3g+ and a 1Gb limit by month) ... i do my choice really fast :)	16:42
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Khertan	a restricted one with tunnel :)	16:42
achipa	lcuk: it wasn't a task. It was a statement that the layout will be kept, and libqt4-maemo5 will have to be broken because of that.	16:43
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TomaszD	if anyone can pitch in by removing the tutorial applet and the "installers" (ap news, amazon, facebook) and observing weirdness, please look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10267	16:43
povbot`	Bug 10267: Sometimes when I remove an application a random one gets downloaded and installed automatically	16:43
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ZogG	MohammadAG, here you go	16:43
ZogG	how was fedora?	16:43
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Andy80	achipa: what are the official Qt, libqt4-gui or libqt4-maemo5-gui ?	16:44
MohammadAG	dd-y	16:44
ZogG	play button on media widget is not working for me	16:44
MohammadAG	Andy80, both	16:44
Tuukka	I'm setting up maemo developement enviroment should i install qt 4.5 or 4.6 toolkit?	16:44
Andy80	which one I mean...	16:44
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MohammadAG	libqt4-gui is 4.6.2	16:44
Andy80	MohammadAG: both?	16:44
achipa	Andy80: libqt4-gui	16:44
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MohammadAG	libqt4-maemo5-gui should be 3.7 soon	16:44
MohammadAG	4.7*	16:44
Andy80	having two versions of Qt makes no sense	16:44
achipa	libqt4-maemo5 is pending deletion	16:44
achipa	(completely needlessly)	16:44
Tuukka	MohammadAG, Thanks!	16:45
MohammadAG	Andy80, the one without maemo5 is the one integrated in fw	16:45
Andy80	ok... I won't install Tweego for the moment then :)	16:45
MohammadAG	why?	16:45
Andy80	because it requires libqt4-maemo5	16:45
Tuukka	Just blindly following guide at linuxuser.co.uk hopefully everything goes right :DD	16:45
Andy80	I don't want to stupidly waste space having two Qt on my N900	16:46
achipa	MohammadAG: 4.7 will be called libqt4-experimental	16:46
MohammadAG	achipa, so maemo5 is just a waste of space?	16:46
achipa	or at least I think it will	16:46
MohammadAG	libqt4-maemo5*	16:46
alterego	So where are all these commercial apps that have been waiting for PR1.2? :D	16:46
alterego	I thought 1.2 was going to saveb the world!	16:46
achipa	MohammadAG: it isn't, it helps creating confusion :S	16:46
MohammadAG	you thought wrong	16:46
MohammadAG	lol	16:46
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alterego	Dagnamit, but abill_uk said that 1.2 would save the human race!	16:47
Arkenoi	so how much free root space is needed for OTA?	16:47
tybollt_	ja	16:47
tybollt_	do spill	16:47
cehteh	is this display locking bug when maep or mapper is running and the display goes idle fixed in 1.2?	16:47
tybollt_	achipa: also... this optifying thing... wasn't it in the SDK anyway?	16:48
MohammadAG	it was on git afaik	16:49
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Turks	'lo	16:50
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alterego	cehteh: is that a bug?	16:50
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achipa	tybollt_: no, that was just a cludge	16:51
alterego	Or is it maep/mapper ?	16:51
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achipa	tybollt_: so we could have both installed on the devices	16:51
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cehteh	alterego: graphics/opengl or whatever bug .. well it locks the device sometimes that you have to pull the battery out for a reset, i call that a bug	16:51
GAN900	PR1.2 is such a buggy mess	16:51
cehteh	even pressing the power button long time doesnt reboot it	16:52
MohammadAG	GAN900, post a rant thread	16:52
MohammadAG	or does tmo have one already :P	16:52
GAN900	MohammadAG, nah, I'm just gonna soapbox in mwkn. :P	16:52
MohammadAG	can I help?	16:52
MohammadAG	first start off with the menu	16:52
alterego	cehteh: Ah, okay. Well, I don't know. Why don't you try it. I don't use either of those apps personally.	16:52
MohammadAG	it doesn't have the scroll effect	16:53
MohammadAG	then continue to rant about no MeeGo for the N900	16:53
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cehteh	alterego: i wait for tomorrow for the update	16:53
MohammadAG	eventually you'll reach a point where you'll ask about Maemo 7 for the RX-71	16:53
alterego	:)	16:53
cehteh	and i have to do a full backup later today :P	16:53
E0x	hehehe	16:53
MohammadAG	which will be step 6/5	16:53
alterego	I just flashed mine.	16:53
MohammadAG	release will be 1/0	16:53
MohammadAG	division by zero	16:54
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GAN900	No Jaffa to cramp my style this week, either. eg	16:54
cehteh	i hope updating in contrast to flashing will not wipe out all my customizations	16:54
alterego	GAN900: I was made redundant on Friday :/	16:54
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MohammadAG	got a dd of /dev/mtd5	16:54
MohammadAG	wonder if it'll brick my N900	16:54
alterego	I've got too much time on my hands now, I'm so f*cking bored right now.	16:54
cehteh	so i have less pain restoring it afterwards	16:54
Stskeeps	alterego: contribute to meego!	16:54
Stskeeps	:P	16:54
GAN900	alterego, wait, again?	16:54
cehteh	hey when is 1.3 scheduled? :)	16:55
GAN900	It's a trap!	16:55
cehteh	haha	16:55
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alterego	GAN900: it was just a possibility the week before. Well, I knew it was going to happen, but it wasn't official until Friday just gone.	16:55
GAN900	cehteh, when it's ready.	16:55
achipa	(admiral ackbar style)	16:55
slingr	w00t	16:55
tybollt_	~1.3	16:55
tybollt_	~1.2	16:55
GAN900	alterego, that sucks.	16:55
tybollt_	~meh	16:55
alterego	Stskeeps: unfortunately I need money :P	16:55
tybollt_	MOAR MONNEH	16:55
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, oi! fix infobot!	16:55
w00t_	but money leads to the dark side	16:55
MohammadAG	:P	16:55
infobot	meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase	16:56
alterego	tybollt_: "moar" would imply I actually have some :D	16:56
* javispedro sings "dadadadadadada pr 1.2 dadadadada backslash dadadadada it didn't fix world hunger..."		16:56
cehteh	at nokia, cellphone updates you! :)	16:56
alterego	javispedro: give it a chance, it's not even been a day yet! :D	16:56
* javispedro patiently waits for the pitchforks		16:56
E0x	how i can start from ZERO , i want put my n900 like out the box	16:57
E0x	and apply the update/upgrade	16:57
MohammadAG	Downgrade to 42-11	16:57
bigbrovar	since upgrading to PR1.2 i cant seem to get mail for exchange to work with gmail. syncing always fails	16:57
MohammadAG	and reflash the emmc	16:57
MohammadAG	then change the faceplate	16:57
E0x	2 months old not need change the faceplate	16:57
E0x	:P	16:57
MohammadAG	if you want to go to pre-out-of-the-box sell it on ebay and buy another one	16:57
javispedro	then send it to a fellow maemo.org member, which will send you back a new n900 ...	16:57
javispedro	(someday)	16:58
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E0x	javispedro: heh	16:58
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javispedro	tmo is completely changed, I the threads I was following have been buried	16:58
javispedro	*all the threads	16:59
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alterego	Classic title: "Firmware PR1.2 Whats so different (20)" pahahaa	17:00
bigbrovar	since upgrading to PR1.2 i cant seem to get mail for exchange to work with gmail. syncing always fails	17:01
achipa	lcuk: from Nokia/Qt side we had sandman, shaneb, kate and tekojo, and most of the marmo.org crew (X-fade, stskeep) and I was the community representative	17:01
achipa	lcuk: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2010-04-22.log.html	17:01
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achipa	lcuk: also, recommended read: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/?p=1480 (section 'A note on PR1.1 vs PR1.2')	17:02
achipa	marmo... I guess it shows I'm in dire need of marmelade...	17:02
mirr0r	Anyone else has a problem with extras-testing and extra-dev repositories after updating to pr1.2?	17:02
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alterego	I want more levels for Bounce Evolution ..	17:03
lcuk	achipa, i cant read/digest all that in one go, if there arent clear action points specified and followups then what can people do?	17:03
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javispedro	achipa: woah, I completely missed that one :(	17:03
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achipa	lcuk: the point is that the actions were DETERMINED by the information presented	17:03
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E0x	alterego: i want some mod for bounce that make it look like wipe-out	17:03
alterego	E0x: I thought it was already in there P	17:04
achipa	lcuk: http://achipa.blogspot.com/2010/04/operation-qt-shuffle.html	17:04
E0x	alterego: where !!?	17:04
bigbrovar	is anyone having issues with gmail mail for exchange after upgading to PR1.2?	17:04
achipa	this is the distilled action plan, but it is semi-meaningless as it is based on the wrong assumptions	17:04
bigbrovar	I have not been able to sync	17:04
alterego	E0x: Oh, you want the space ships over being a ball? :)	17:05
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Turks	anyone know how to get g++ installed on the n800 running itos08?	17:05
lcuk	achipa, so follow it up with the folks in the meeting.	17:05
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MohammadAG	is anyone being annoyed that they don't have anything to wait for now?	17:06
E0x	alterego: yea	17:06
javispedro	free ovi maps navigation, MohammadAG.	17:06
alterego	MohammadAG: I'm waiting for PR1.3, with Qt 4.7 so I can use QML	17:06
alterego	MohammadAG: you're free to wait with me :)	17:07
lcuk	alterego, 4.7 is in -devel	17:07
MohammadAG	javispedro, go buy sygic	17:07
MohammadAG	alterego, ^	17:07
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alterego	lcuk: not on devices though is it :P	17:07
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG: meego	17:07
lcuk	so stop waiting, start writing and filing bugs and dont leave it till AFTER all the releases are made	17:07
javispedro	MohammadAG: not me, tmo!	17:07
lcuk	alterego, not the point	17:07
alterego	Heh	17:07
MohammadAG	tmo go buy sygic	17:07
achipa	lcuk: certainly will mention it. I'm certain the change wasn't malicious, but the whole council and meeting thing is there in theory so we could avoid cases precisely like this one	17:07
MohammadAG	lcuk, what about bacon 1.3?	17:07
alterego	lcuk: I'm being silly, there's literally nothing stopping me developing with QML. I was just trying to give MohammadAG something to look forward too ;)	17:08
lcuk	well achipa most of the pr1.2 was stabilised by the time that meeting occured	17:08
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, won't touch anything RPM related for some time	17:08
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achipa	alterego: what makes you think pr1.3 will contain qt 4.7 ?	17:08
lcuk	so whatever happened doesnt sound malicious its just dealing with whats feasible at the time with very busy people	17:08
achipa	lcuk: in that case someone forgot to tell us they changed the battle plan	17:08
alterego	achipa: that's the general consensus as far as I can tell.	17:08
lcuk	alterego, id like to see some simple qml things	17:08
MohammadAG	achipa, what makes you think there's a 1.3 :)	17:09
lcuk	achipa, follow up however you see fit	17:09
alterego	lcuk: I'm still just getting my toes wet. The docs for QML are pretty thin :/	17:09
Turks	=(	17:09
achipa	lcuk: I wouldn't have it any other way ;D	17:09
lcuk	achipa, :) good	17:09
bigbrovar	Please is anyone having issues syncing with mail for exchange (gmail) I can only get it to work it says server not responding. plese all i need is a yes or no so i know whether its a isolated issue :S	17:09
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BCMM	did we get imap idle support?	17:09
MohammadAG	it's safe to assume that if no one said something, no one is having problems	17:09
lcuk	alterego, so simplicity	17:09
bigbrovar	cant* get it to work (mail for exchange)	17:09
lcuk	learning qml	17:10
lcuk	blog about it	17:10
lcuk	and post code	17:10
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* Turks is confused and trying to compile software on the n800		17:10
alterego	lcuk: how about I learn about it, post code, and you can blog about it .. As I do't have a blog .. :P	17:10
bigbrovar	smh	17:10
Stskeeps	Turks: you have to be confused trying to do that	17:10
Stskeeps	just look at lcuk ;p	17:11
mirr0r	I get 404 error when trying to refresh Maemo Extras-Devel, anyone knows why?	17:11
mirr0r	i googled, and in forum is 1 guy that has the same issue, but no replies to it yet	17:11
Turks	Stskeeps, no stranger to linux, just new to maemo/armel	17:11
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X-Fade	mirr0r: put fremantle in the dist field of your catalog entry in AM.	17:11
lcuk	Stskeeps, trying to support maemo and fremantle makes me look confused? strange ;)	17:12
lcuk	X-Fade, any idea how long before SDK is back up	17:12
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mirr0r	X-Fade, awesome, thanks..	17:12
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lcuk	i want to re-test getting build-essential on a default device	17:12
lcuk	theres loads of space now	17:12
mirr0r	Weird though that its not there by default	17:13
X-Fade	lcuk: What kind of question is that?	17:13
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lcuk	X-Fade, repos were down for update werent they?	17:13
X-Fade	no?	17:13
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Turks	lcuk, mind giving me a hand at setting up a build env on diablo? =P	17:14
BCMM	still no portrait-mode list boxes	17:14
lcuk	Turks, its easy to get compiler directly on system, the -dev packages are larger	17:14
ZogG	BCMM еруку цфы ыщьу луны сщьиштфешщт ащк зщкекфше - тщ,	17:15
ZogG	ooops	17:15
ZogG	sorry	17:15
lcuk	if you are booting from mmc	17:15
lcuk	with lots of space its rly simple	17:15
ZogG	there was some keys combination for portrait mode in some programs?	17:15
BCMM	ZogG: i'm afraid i can't read cyrilic	17:15
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BCMM	ZogG: ?	17:15
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BCMM	ZogG: what i meant was the the browser still doesn't handle dropdowns in portrait mode	17:15
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alterego	ZogG: CTRL+SHIFT+R	17:16
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Turks	lcuk, apt says g++ conflicts, shouuld i deb-src packages to update these or is there a repo wi	17:17
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Turks	th a working g++ package?	17:17
lcuk	Turks, http://repository.maemo.org/	17:17
phellarv	Hmmm - My conversation-innbox-widget is gone after PR1.2 - Says it's installed, and the latest version, but no luck getting it onto the desktop.	17:18
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lcuk	sdk and tools repositories are available	17:18
Turks	sorry, n800 keyboard sucks	17:18
lcuk	normally for use in scratchbox :)	17:18
mirr0r	phellarv, yea mine too	17:18
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phellarv	mirr0r: Hmmm - Wonder why?	17:18
Turks	lcuk, red pill mode doesnt have to be enabled for installing the toolchains for building source does it?	17:19
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mirr0r	i removed it, and am reinstalling it now	17:19
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mirr0r	will see if that solves it	17:19
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maddler	howdy all!	17:20
mirr0r	heya maddler	17:20
lcuk	Turks, installing development kits has nothing really to do with HAM red pill stuff?	17:20
maddler	did anyone managed to start a videocall on 1.2?	17:20
alterego	Oh, nice, now maps remembers it's view settings. That was possibly one of my biggest annoyances ..	17:20
Turks	im new to maemo, lcuk =p	17:20
Turks	i got my n800 stuck in a bootloop with rpm on D=	17:21
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lcuk	Turks, sure go slowly and carefully, things like devkits and sdk stuff is really a console thing	17:21
tybollt_	rpm?	17:21
tybollt_	then surely you're using ze meeko?	17:21
javispedro	meeko!	17:22
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javispedro	sounds better than meego.	17:22
Turks	tybollt_, red pill mode, lrn2osk ;)	17:22
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Tuukka	Man... maemo sdk installer fails at 4/9	17:23
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lcuk	alterego, also, write a maemo blog app using qml :P	17:23
alterego	lcuk: hahah, nice idea ;)	17:24
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Turks	crap, maemo sdk repos have to be configured in console =(	17:25
GAN900	frals, when are you going to handle vCard MMSes?	17:25
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SuRfDeMoN	Hi, my nokia n900 says there is a maemo update and says I should do a backup, when I try to do a backup it just sits there saying backing up and stays at 0% to get rid of it I have to use the power button and end current task... any ideas what I'm doing wrong or why this could happen?	17:25
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer,	17:25
MohammadAG	Remember that bet we had about rootfs image flashing?	17:25
Tuukka	The sdk installer can't fetch http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0//armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz	17:26
MohammadAG	I owe you a beer :S	17:26
Tuukka	Can anyone help?	17:26
slingr	hrm	17:26
javispedro	MohammadAG: I'm curious, what was the bet about? :)	17:26
slingr	what are the major differences between the UK and USA versions?	17:26
X-Fade	Tuukka: Works for me?	17:26
slingr	is it just language?	17:26
MohammadAG	dd if=/dev/mtd5 of=desitnation.img	17:26
MohammadAG	then flash the file	17:26
MohammadAG	destination*	17:26
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javispedro	that can potentially corrupt the backup	17:27
MohammadAG	why?	17:27
alterego	Ooo, ussd codes should work now!	17:27
javispedro	for a start because /dev/mtd5 is mounted	17:27
* alterego tests		17:27
Tuukka	X-Fade, I have tried several times, but it can't get it :/ Could it have anything to do with the installer settings?	17:27
MohammadAG	nope	17:27
MohammadAG	did it in fedora	17:27
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Tuukka	I used the defaul ones	17:27
javispedro	HOW?	17:27
alterego	schweet,	17:27
Turks	lcuk, are sdl applications usually fully supported when compiling on maemo?	17:27
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MohammadAG	javispedro, booted fedora	17:28
alterego	I like how they've done it too.	17:28
javispedro	MohammadAG: but then what's /dev/mtd5?	17:28
X-Fade	Tuukka: Do can you download other things from the internet?	17:28
alterego	With No copy&paste :(	17:28
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MohammadAG	javispedro, the rootfs node	17:28
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Stskeeps	..	17:28
MohammadAG	I booted fedora off the uSD	17:28
javispedro	MohammadAG: ah, you booted fedora on the n900.	17:28
SuRfDeMoN	Any one got any ideas why backup just hangs?	17:28
javispedro	sorry.	17:28
Stskeeps	ah, ok	17:28
Tuukka	X-Fade, Yeah the sdk installer is able to dl other files	17:28
MohammadAG	yeah	17:28
* MohammadAG slaps Stskeeps		17:28
X-Fade	Tuukka: Strange.	17:28
alterego	SuRfDeMoN: sometimes it takes a long time.	17:29
MohammadAG	hmm	17:29
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MohammadAG	maybe I should've actually got the image before I tried this :S	17:29
Stskeeps	why mtd5 fwiw?	17:29
X-Fade	Tuukka: Do you get a 404 error?	17:29
Stskeeps	and not mtdblock5	17:29
Stskeeps	or wtf it's called	17:29
Stskeeps	:P	17:29
SuRfDeMoN	alterego: oh ok, its only a few days old though, not installed that many apps either,	17:29
Tuukka	yeah if i go to http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0//armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz	17:29
Tuukka	with browser	17:29
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slingr	what are the major differences between the UK and USA versions? Just wondering what version I should get being in Canada. If its just the language I'd get the UK but if it's others specific to north america....	17:29
MohammadAG	Stskeeps, root's on mtd5 afaik	17:30
MohammadAG	cat'd /proc/mtd	17:30
MohammadAG	X-Fade, can you take down 4 packages? :)	17:30
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Sure, but not now.	17:31
ZogG	BCMM the longpress in browser is awesome thoug =)	17:31
MohammadAG	:(	17:31
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ZogG	though*	17:31
BCMM	ZogG: what longpress?	17:31
MohammadAG	X-Fade, anyways, remove all my packages from -devel, restore it to SDK only as my version broke the autobuilder http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db/	17:31
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Ah, that is bad. Let me remove it.	17:32
MohammadAG	:)	17:32
MohammadAG	http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db-n900/ if anyone's interested, this one works	17:32
style	Hi, is there software or something to make nokia n900 -> computer internet link as ethernetcontroller or something like that? Using pc-suite it "names" n900 as modem connection and then max link speed (usin One Touch Access) is 921.6Kbps, that sucks	17:32
MohammadAG	(and doesn't conflict with the SDK)	17:33
ZogG	BCMM there is enable rotation in options	17:33
BCMM	ZogG: yes	17:33
BCMM	ZogG: but what do you mean by "the longpress in browser"?	17:33
tybollt_	Stskeeps: "	17:33
tybollt_	The Official reason for not porting MeeGo is the screen technology.	17:33
tybollt_	MeeGo doesn't seem to have support for resistive screen - may be it will be added later.	17:33
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X-Fade	MohammadAG: removed.	17:33
tybollt_	"	17:34
tybollt_	Stskeeps: any truth to that	17:34
tybollt_	=	17:34
MohammadAG	X-Fade, thanks (cc lcuk)	17:34
tybollt_	?	17:34
X-Fade	MohammadAG: Also note that it is in nokia-binaries now too.	17:34
javispedro	X-Fade: MAN-DB???	17:34
MohammadAG	err	17:34
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MohammadAG	X-Fade, man-db is not a nokia binary	17:34
X-Fade	javispedro: Yeah, check the page ;)	17:34
MohammadAG	I'll sue!	17:34
MohammadAG	:)	17:34
Stskeeps	tybollt_: quote?	17:35
X-Fade	javispedro: http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db/	17:35
Stskeeps	tybollt_: source, i mean	17:35
ZogG	BCMM touch screen for a while	17:35
MohammadAG	X-Fade, can you also revert the maintainer please?	17:35
Tuukka	Blaah... the sdk installer script is old... It tries do dl a older version of the file	17:35
ZogG	on picture or link or whatever	17:35
javispedro	X-Fade: O.o.	17:35
mirr0r	phellarv, it worked for me, i reinstalled and the widget was there again	17:35
MohammadAG	says SDK repo here...	17:35
X-Fade	javispedro: Will ping Marcell.	17:35
BCMM	ZogG: doesn't that just give a context menu?	17:35
X-Fade	javispedro: That can't be right.	17:35
Tuukka	Where do i get the newest python gui sdk installer?	17:35
MohammadAG	http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/man-db/man-db_2.5.1-3maemo1_armel.deb	17:36
MohammadAG	says free	17:36
MohammadAG	Am I missing something?	17:36
tybollt_	Stskeeps: comment section of the engadget story	17:36
Stskeeps	tybollt_: nfi	17:36
javispedro	engadget story?	17:36
javispedro	heh!	17:36
BCMM	ZogG: it give a context menu - but at least in 1.2 it reliably notices if you did it over a link	17:36
Stskeeps	tybollt_: ask quim and peter	17:37
MohammadAG	BCMM, the context menu also works in portrait mode	17:37
BCMM	oh!	17:37
BCMM	good	17:37
BCMM	that was bothering me, before	17:37
lcuk	wow, if its screen technology i wonder how the hell you can use the nokia qt sdk on a desktop without even a touchscreen at all!	17:37
MohammadAG	LOL	17:37
phellarv	mirr0r: Kk - Then I will try that too	17:38
ZogG	no WM controls in portrait	17:38
BCMM	lcuk: perhaps they mean the UI will require multitouch?	17:38
MohammadAG	lcuk, you imagine one	17:38
javispedro	exactly	17:38
ZogG	can't change pages	17:38
ZogG	as not abs	17:38
BCMM	lcuk: (stupid, but possible)	17:38
MohammadAG	or use two mice	17:38
javispedro	I've heard that excuse sometimes.	17:38
lcuk	BCMM, that does not get away from the fact you have to build/test these things	17:38
lcuk	and the qt sdk includes a nice simulator	17:38
MohammadAG	Mouse with akimbo attachment	17:38
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Ikarus	poke	17:39
Ikarus	anyone know where a friend of mine can find the OS2008 SDK (Ubuntu boot image)	17:39
* tybollt_ \o/ I think I just poked on stskeeps NDA spot ;)		17:40
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X-Fade	javispedro: ah, no my mistake. Will fix ;) Import gone wrong.	17:40
ZogG	no conversation widget?	17:40
ZogG	play button doesn't work =)	17:41
ZogG	on media also	17:41
Stskeeps	tybollt_: harmattan UI framework widgets gallery works fine doesn't it?	17:41
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tybollt_	Stskeeps: ehr I have no idea - that shit is not public is it?	17:41
phellarv	mirr0r: Did you have to reboot, or anything other than reinstalling?	17:42
Stskeeps	tybollt_: it's in extras-devel	17:42
MohammadAG	tybollt_, it is	17:42
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MohammadAG	^	17:42
ZogG	my nokia in settings =)	17:42
MohammadAG	and it segfaults your theme selector	17:42
tybollt_	oh olrite then	17:42
MohammadAG	ZogG, don't unsubscribe	17:42
alterego	Pahahah: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/25/meps_to_get_ipads/	17:42
MohammadAG	you send a message and get a refusal message	17:42
SpeedEvil	MohammadAG: Which you pay for.	17:43
MohammadAG	SpeedEvil, which is why I said don't unsubscribe :)	17:43
ZogG	MohammadAG why not?	17:43
MohammadAG	^	17:43
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ZogG	pay for waht?	17:44
SpeedEvil	The SMS	17:44
ZogG	if i send	17:44
ZogG	or if they send too?	17:44
ZogG	they wouldn't anyway =)	17:44
ZogG	maybe Torne only, to make me feel less lonely	17:44
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* timeless_mbp sighs		17:49
timeless_mbp	lcuk: ping	17:49
MohammadAG	OH CRAP	17:49
MohammadAG	lcuk, PR1.2 clears /opt right?	17:49
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SpeedEvil	no	17:49
SpeedEvil	Nokia-N900-02-8:/opt# ls	17:49
SpeedEvil	ask-ziggy lib pedometerhomewidget	17:49
SpeedEvil	batlevel maemo pymaemo	17:49
SpeedEvil	...	17:49
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* MohammadAG checks bugzilla		17:50
MohammadAG	I think it was bug 7432	17:50
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash	17:50
MohammadAG	or sth	17:50
Stskeeps	reflash, not ota	17:50
MohammadAG	I reflashed...	17:50
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SpeedEvil	never flashed, just OTA'd	17:50
slingr	USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x01c8.	17:51
MohammadAG	umm	17:51
slingr	that just gonna sit there for awhile?	17:51
MohammadAG	why are there all regions except Israel...	17:51
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pexi	its called usa	17:52
javispedro	MohammadAG: reflash should kill /opt iirc	17:52
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javispedro	there's a file you can put in /var	17:52
javispedro	in /var?	17:52
javispedro	hmpf.	17:52
MohammadAG	already cleared I guess...	17:52
phellarv	conversations-inbox-widget does not work for me after PR1.2 flash.....	17:52
phellarv	argh	17:52
crashanddie	MohammadAG: because nobody lives in israel	17:53
MohammadAG	crashanddie, I'm not a nobody you racist aus	17:53
MohammadAG	:P	17:53
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Turks	anyone know how to use aim/yahoo/etc with the onboard maemo chat application?	17:53
joppu	I'd like to create a desktop comman execution widget that open terminal and executes a command. possible?	17:53
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crashanddie	MohammadAG: well, you may be a zionist, doesn't mean medinat yisra'el exists.	17:54
joppu	Turks: install "extra conversations protocols"	17:54
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MohammadAG	lol	17:54
Turks	joppu, figured as much. silly that theyre listed but not enabled =/	17:55
lcuk	timeless, pong	17:56
lcuk	MohammadAG, yes	17:56
MohammadAG	lcuk, suggestion for PR1.3	17:56
MohammadAG	replace the calendar with liqcalendar XD	17:57
style	is joikuspot light (free) available on n900?	17:57
javispedro	lcuk: btw, did you get to implement that /home/opt/please-do-not-clean-opt file?	17:57
lcuk	MohammadAG, sure	17:57
chadi	Does skype support proxy settings in PR1.2?	17:57
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opdf2	SpeedEvil: Is the OTA just as stable as a nsu flash?	17:58
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lcuk	javispedro, no it was discussed and not implemented. engineers could not see a need and it was too late in the process to have full dialog about it	17:58
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javispedro	ah, I see.	17:58
MohammadAG	I wonder if apt got crippled more :)	18:00
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joppu	Turks: did you add the accounts already?	18:00
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Turks	joppu, yea but they didnt show up. why?	18:01
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joppu	that's weird...	18:02
Turks	linux is weird	18:03
joppu	huh...?	18:03
joppu	nope	18:03
opdf2	any important uninstallations before 1.2?	18:03
Turks	pidgin does the same thing sometimes, depends on how its packaged	18:03
MohammadAG	~ping	18:05
MohammadAG	damn bot	18:06
infobot	~pong	18:06
MohammadAG	opdf2, no	18:06
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phellarv	Bug 10232 is still in the released FW. Hrmf.	18:09
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10232 Could not open , and not show up in widget setting	18:09
javispedro	games!	18:09
javispedro	games, games, every one loves games.	18:09
javispedro	phellarv: a bug filed this 4 days ago not fixed yet?	18:09
javispedro	hah!	18:09
alterego	Heh	18:10
MohammadAG	lol	18:10
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phellarv	javispedro: Well Bug 10150 is the same	18:10
povbot`	Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10150 Conversations Widget for N900	18:10
javispedro	I had to wait one and a half years for this update .... which includes official PAP support.	18:10
phellarv	Anyone else using the conversation-inbox-widget, and cannot get it to work in PR1.2?	18:11
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alterego	It's interesting how this time the UK got it first :)	18:11
alterego	We're usually the last, though I always use the global image anyway.	18:11
opdf2	phellarv: did u update to the newest conversation version? I think it's 1.1.1	18:11
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javispedro	btw	18:12
phellarv	opdf2: Uhm?	18:12
javispedro	anyone know why the status area in portrait mode was removed?	18:12
javispedro	the previous hildon-desktop GIT i was using had it, now I am on the 1.2 hildon-desktop and it doesn't have it :S	18:12
opdf2	phellarv: there was a new conversation widget released in preparation for 1.2	18:12
phellarv	opdf2: Aha - So I might have to get extras-devel up and running?	18:13
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Turks	joppu, cant find them in the catalogs	18:13
Khertan	javispedro, the status area is here for me under pr1.2 ... but can't click on it	18:14
javispedro	Khertan: exactly that	18:14
javispedro	Khertan: I'm pretty sure I could click on it...	18:14
* javispedro is starting to think he dreamt it.		18:14
Turks	and is using apt-get autoremove safe on maemo?	18:14
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Khertan	javispedro, you could before ... but result in many error when clicking on menu	18:14
Khertan	s/error/mistake	18:15
Khertan	someone know how to access to theme icon from Qt ?	18:15
Khertan	someone know how to access to maemo theme icon from Qt ?	18:15
opdf2	phellarv: Yes it is in devel	18:15
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phellarv	opdf2: Thanks alot.	18:18
opdf2	Is it working?	18:19
phellarv	opdf2: Now it's working all fine	18:19
joppu	Turks: what catalog have you enabled?	18:19
opdf2	oh great	18:19
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Turks	alot?	18:19
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DocScrutinizer	~pr1.2	18:19
infobot	rumour has it, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	18:19
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lcuk	~recursion	18:20
infobot	To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion	18:20
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MohammadAG	~pr1.3	18:20
MohammadAG	hmm	18:20
MohammadAG	~unforget pr1.3	18:20
infobot	MohammadAG: Successfully recovered 'pr1.3'. Have fun now.	18:20
MohammadAG	~pr1.3	18:20
infobot	methinks pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now.....	18:20
Appiah	when will we see PR2.0 ? PR1.x feels old	18:20
* Appiah ducks		18:20
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DocScrutinizer	methinks ibot is right	18:21
lcuk	Appiah, whenever you want to get started thats fine	18:21
slonopotamus	anyone has patches for gst-plugins-dsp making it build with (enabled by them) -Werror?	18:21
joppu	Turks: well enable devel and try to update to thr version	18:21
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MohammadAG	A warning would've been better...	18:22
MohammadAG	~devel	18:22
MohammadAG	~extras-devel	18:22
infobot	from memory, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel	18:22
Turks	devel is enabled iirc	18:22
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slonopotamus	meh	18:23
slonopotamus	okay, anyone has anything else useful for me? :)	18:23
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DocScrutinizer	>>see ~flashing for how to update<< WTF? No SSU?	18:24
MohammadAG	tomorrow	18:24
DocScrutinizer	aah, k	18:25
MohammadAG	or if someone has the time...	18:25
* DocScrutinizer yawns		18:25
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MohammadAG	set up a community SSU, we'll need it sooner or later	18:25
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DocScrutinizer	bah, I could even wait til next week	18:26
MohammadAG	WTF	18:26
MohammadAG	mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: apt (= 0.7.20.2maemo13.1+0m5) but 0.7.20.2maemo13+0m5 is to be installed	18:26
MohammadAG	oh, .1	18:26
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javispedro	DocScrutinizer: no changes in usb related stuff.	18:27
DocScrutinizer	no surprise	18:27
TigerTael	God, my N900 is super awesome now!	18:27
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javispedro	we were using the 1.2 kernel either way for testing.	18:27
opdf2	how much root must be free for OTA?	18:27
pupnik	why TigerTael	18:27
DocScrutinizer	:-D	18:27
javispedro	well the released one is not the same as the sdk one yet...	18:27
slonopotamus	MohammadAG: maemo deps strings are just broken	18:28
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* javispedro needs to check changelog of kernel..		18:28
slonopotamus	DocScrutinizer: and deps on exact version in general	18:28
slonopotamus	err	18:28
* slonopotamus missed		18:28
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MohammadAG	javispedro, NOT? the same?	18:29
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: sorry for my stubbornness but I can't imagine you were totally off with your idea to restore whatever state we need, to musb core	18:29
javispedro	MohammadAG: yes, it's NOT the same.	18:29
MohammadAG	cause I flashed my custom kernel	18:29
MohammadAG	oh well	18:29
MohammadAG	I never even saw the changes	18:29
MohammadAG	maybe they fixed the driver (ha!)	18:29
frals	GAN900: err, when someone tells me how to handle them properly i could probably do that ;)	18:29
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: I'm starting to think that too.	18:29
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: there HAS to be a way to set musb core registers	18:29
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DocScrutinizer	javispedro: think about suspend to ram/even_disk	18:30
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MohammadAG	how do I change the build number?	18:30
GAN900	frals, I think it just sends the raw vCard	18:30
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GAN900	frals, so dbus it over to address book, maybe?	18:31
t-tan	there are no interesting changes in the latest PR1.2 kernel patches	18:31
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t-tan	basically they disabled SmartReflex and fixed memory leaks in WLAN	18:31
javispedro	well the later one is interesting at least..	18:31
frals	GAN900: ill do some testing and see how hard it is, i suspect its trivial to do it but not sure when ill have the time to look in to it	18:31
microlith	wow	18:31
microlith	the locust swarm descends	18:32
javispedro	t-tan: disabled as in removed its sysfs nodes?	18:32
t-tan	javispedro: yes, and it ignores settings != 0	18:32
javispedro	quite bold move, and late in the release process.	18:32
javispedro	== device fried danger panic?	18:33
loufoque	t-tan: supposedly PR 1.2 makes the gps less crappy	18:33
* javispedro wishes he could read minds		18:33
loufoque	i've yet to try that	18:33
frals	uh, anyone with a freshly flashed pr1.2 who could try to apt-get install python-gobject?	18:33
GAN900	frals, just wanted to put it up on your radar.	18:33
frals	GAN900: added to the almighty list :)	18:34
GAN900	frals, just got one this morning and didn't realize they were handled through MMS	18:34
javispedro	frals: I already have it installed	18:34
t-tan	loufoque: possible, but that's not due to a kernel fix	18:34
javispedro	frals: the only python app I have is fmradio iirc.	18:34
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t-tan	javispedro: NB#160765 - remove sysfs interface that allows user to enable Smartleflex	18:34
javispedro	I don't have access to NB#	18:35
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: which all sounds very good to me :-) esp fixing leaks	18:35
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slingr	?? repo	18:35
t-tan	they have at least 160000 internals bugs... :)	18:35
slingr	where is that list of repositories?	18:35
frals	javispedro: ok, im getting user reports that fmms fails to install because it cant pull in python-gobject	18:36
t-tan	if you want to flck through it, here's the patch http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/nokia-20101501%2b0m5.diff	18:36
frals	i suspect its because python-gobject seems to be in nokia-binaries now	18:37
X-Fade	frals: Can be because of package domains.	18:37
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javispedro	frals: I reflashed, not OTA.	18:37
Khertan	frals, python-gobject is already the newest version.	18:37
Khertan	installed with pygtkeditor	18:38
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frals	alright, cheers	18:38
frals	hmm, nokia-binaries got some stoneage 2.14.2 while extras got 2.16.1 :/	18:38
javispedro	what's up with nokia-binaries getting so many stuff?	18:38
frals	but only listed in i386 otoh	18:38
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frals	http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-gobject/	18:38
X-Fade	javispedro: qt-mobility	18:39
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: now isn't that bold?	18:39
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: pr_warning("VDD2 smartreflex is broken\n");	18:39
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: just removing the sysfs nodes sounds like a nasty thing to me	18:39
* javispedro wonders what qt-mobility guys are doing with python, but decides not to pursue that mental thread.		18:39
Khertan	frals, hum ... it s listed in every repositories	18:40
Khertan	javispedro, ?	18:40
frals	i might just write it off as user error ;)	18:40
frals	anyways time to prepare the dinner, laters o/	18:40
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: 'broken' as in 'will fry the CPU'?	18:40
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: that's exactly what I though. quite a bold move and late in release? fried devices for sure.	18:41
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: yep. normal users don't know how to enable it anyway	18:41
javispedro	or some other panicish reason.	18:41
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: t-tan Yes probably	18:41
DocScrutinizer	in which case it's quite sane to remove the sysfs nodes	18:42
DocScrutinizer	smartreflex was attributed "unstable" from very beginning	18:42
javispedro	and it was.	18:43
DocScrutinizer	which could be a hw design issue or even a silicon erratum	18:43
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pvanhoof	hey guys, when I install that new firmware, will it retain all my contacts and settings?	18:43
pvanhoof	and if not, can I use backup and then restore ?	18:43
pvanhoof	And if I use backup/restore, will I loose things?	18:43
Scelt	lose	18:43
auenf	flash, no, OTA, yes	18:43
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: read the changelog part?	18:43
* DocScrutinizer off for a coffee		18:43
pupnik	honestly, calling a kernel+libs "firmware" is silly	18:44
javispedro	new flash chip for camera	18:44
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Scelt	javispedro: where's changelog?	18:44
DocScrutinizer	javispedro: not read anything bout 1.2 yet (except the changelog maybe)	18:44
javispedro	DocScrutinizer: I mean the kernel changelog, it's in the diff.	18:44
lcuk	pvanhoof, your software is on the device! surely you should know this stuff already as part of original testing ;) :p (hint, yes backup/restore will keep all that and let you restore after a flash even)	18:44
MohammadAG	UGH	18:44
MohammadAG	someone removed apt v12 from the repos	18:45
t-tan	they removed it on 16 Mar 2010. could it lead to battery problems? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=580479#post580479	18:45
pvanhoof	lcuk, ok :)	18:45
pvanhoof	lcuk, just double checking! :)	18:45
pvanhoof	lcuk, I know tracker's data will be backup/restored, but not sure about the other team's stuff	18:45
crs	Hi there. Any other rss reader which supports google's reader other than grr?	18:45
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lcuk	pvanhoof, perhaps you should also do similar tests on other systems too :)	18:46
lcuk	fremantle backup/restore works well and pretty much all core apps handle it properly	18:46
Kegetys	does the flasher update erase mydocs as well? The wiki page for updating the firmware says backup/restore backs up the files there but that doesnt seem right when the backup is 50MB and I have 10GB of data there	18:47
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* t-tan wonders why kernel-power has been on the front page of maemo.org for days (category hot). does it warm up the devices?		18:47
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: aiui SR drives the regulators dynamically. Of course this will save a little energy, but also may introduce problems with slew rates for the core voltages rising/falling on clock changes	18:47
pupnik	:) wow	18:48
hrw	crs: I would not say that grr is rss reader	18:48
cato`	is the ovi store down?	18:48
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: imagine for example the external capacitors of GAIA regulators aren't up to spec, or the traces too long, or whatever	18:49
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: then each 600->250 transition could cause a 10ms overload of the CPU internal smartreflex per-gate regulators	18:50
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: something along that line	18:50
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: it's extremely complex	18:50
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t-tan	Nokia doesn't seem to have someone working on SR: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7633#c35	18:51
povbot`	Bug 7633: Enable SmartReflex on N900 by default	18:51
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X-Fade	t-tan: Only disables VDD2 SR?	18:52
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X-Fade	t-tan: VDD1 should still be available.	18:52
BCMM	is it just me, or has the option to search by name/description in the app manager gone in 1.2?	18:53
X-Fade	BCMM: Start typing	18:53
X-Fade	BCMM: Livesearch everywhere.	18:53
SpeedEvil	SR may not be stable on all devices	18:54
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SpeedEvil	(just a suggestion, I do not have several hundred devices to do exhaustive tests on.	18:54
SpeedEvil	(I can provide address for such devices to be shipped to by PM, if required)	18:54
t-tan	X-Fade: you seem to be right	18:54
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X-Fade	t-tan: Always :)	18:55
Kegetys	doesnt seem like the backup contains anything from mydocs so the wiki page is wrong I guess	18:55
t-tan	X-Fade: how is the autobuilder upgrade going?	18:55
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X-Fade	t-tan: Builder is done, interface repos are being imported/configured now.	18:56
t-tan	X-Fade: I wonder why my upload this morning did not get imported but later other uploads did	18:57
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X-Fade	t-tan: There is some kind of race issue I think, not easy to find at least.	18:57
t-tan	X-Fade: should I reupload?	18:58
X-Fade	t-tan: Probably best as SDK got updated too.	18:58
DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: I'm going to help on that :-P	18:58
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X-Fade	Anyway, dinner first, will continue in a while.	18:59
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Kegetys	so... anyone know if flasher erases MyDocs or not?	18:59
t-tan	X-Fade: ok, thanks. bon appetit	18:59
puzzled	anyone know how I can backup my N900 sms messages? Nokia PC Suite does see them and Ovi Suite does not seem to support the N900	18:59
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slonopotamus	X-Fade: maaan! autocleaner continues to remove my uploads of sflphone-client-gnome	19:00
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DocScrutinizer	Kegetys: onlyif you flash a EMMC image	19:00
crs	hrw: Is very bad, I know, but this is the only google reader enabled client I think. Unless someone can point me to different one...	19:00
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slonopotamus	X-Fade: how much its logic is broken so that it thinks that package is outdated when it is the _only_ available version?	19:01
hrw	crs: opera mobile?	19:01
hrw	crs: microb + greasemonkey?	19:01
Kegetys	DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks.	19:01
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MohammadAG	The following NEW packages will be installed:	19:02
MohammadAG	joikuspot	19:02
MohammadAG	WOHOOO	19:02
MohammadAG	unfixed their 'fix'	19:02
crs	hrw: rss client, not a webbrowser. :)	19:02
DocScrutinizer	just another question: does pr1.2 nuke my ~ and /opt now?	19:03
DocScrutinizer	as suggested in this notorious ticket?	19:03
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: AFAIK only /opt	19:03
DocScrutinizer	nasty enough	19:03
hrw	crs: I do not use offline n900	19:04
DocScrutinizer	but saves Nokia from a massive air strike	19:04
DocScrutinizer	nuking my ~, I think I'm dreaming nightmares :-S	19:04
microlith	good to see nokia continues to fail on Vsync	19:04
microlith	yay tearing	19:05
DocScrutinizer	hehe	19:05
Stskeeps	i don't understand what everyone's problems is with that.	19:05
slonopotamus	so...	19:05
slonopotamus	where's PR1.3?	19:05
Stskeeps	we have upgraded sgx libs in meego 1.0 + driver	19:05
Stskeeps	:P	19:05
microlith	Stskeeps: it looks like shit	19:05
* DocScrutinizer summons raster		19:05
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: you!	19:05
sjgadsby	slonopotamus: Please do not create another thread on t.m.o asking that.	19:05
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slonopotamus	sjgadsby: hehe	19:06
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: it also erases all your memories. You won't know that you lost something	19:06
MohammadAG	wow if it nuked my xchat logs I would've lost my British council PIN	19:06
MohammadAG	I PM'd it to myself :)	19:06
lcuk	microlith, my n810 and n900 doesnt tear?	19:06
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: 1. have patches for gst-plugins-dsp? 2. can you reformat mbx code to unix line endings? 3. have a git repo with kernel patches for n8x0?	19:07
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: the coords of the balistic missile were preprogrammed :-P just needs a 'huh? what's that red button for?'	19:07
Stskeeps	slonopotamus: what patches? 2) possibly, my git repo 3) we have packaging	19:08
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: it has -Werror unconditionally and dies on write/read where it doesn't handle return value	19:09
achipa	X-Fade: there were a few packages missing in the nokia repo (libtq4-script and libqt4-test, f.e.), which have been updated since but still show up as missing dependencies in the maemo.org interface. Will this resolve itself automatically after a while or does something need to be poked ?	19:09
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: i mean, gcc produces error	19:10
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DocScrutinizer	t-tan: actually for some important things I got what we call a "totmannschalter" here for trains. Sort of a watchdog. Nokia is welcome to erase all my memory, I would be happy to get rid of some of it :-P	19:11
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: 2 would be cool, in current state git diff produces \r crap on each line	19:11
MohammadAG	Fremantle Nokia-binaries explicit i386 <-- uhuh	19:12
MohammadAG	man-db is there...	19:12
t-tan	DocScrutinizer: just reflash your brian :)	19:12
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t-tan	s/brian/brain/	19:12
infobot	t-tan meant: DocScrutinizer: just reflash your brain :)	19:12
DocScrutinizer	t-tan: can't find the 'q' button XP	19:12
MohammadAG	t-tan, too much risk of breaking the bootloader :)	19:12
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Turks	what package contains sdl config?	19:13
DocScrutinizer	fool - listen to stskeeps	19:13
achipa	DocScrutinizer: it's called the same in English, too: dead man's switch	19:14
crs	hrw: neither do I but I do not want to use webbrowser to access rss articles. Have you ever seen newsbeuter?	19:14
t-tan	I just this for reflashing: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/2595468793_5b981b6b0d.jpg	19:14
Stskeeps	slonopotamus: i can do a lot of stuff later this week, if i'm not comatose from not sleeping enough :P	19:14
crs	hrw: Brilliant rss client, recently supporting google reader so you might have many clients in different places.	19:14
Ian--	people regarding pr1.2 - what do you suggest if i have only 47mb free on rootfs. should i wait for tomorrow OTA and try to upgrade or reflash and install everything again?	19:14
TigerTael	How do I get rid of User Guide?	19:15
crs	hrw: and they all are synced by google reader. Nice solution.	19:15
MohammadAG	t-tan, fscked up partitioning if you ask me	19:15
MohammadAG	:P	19:15
DocScrutinizer	Ian--: 47MB free? I suggest you do a jigg dance of joy	19:15
t-tan	unfortunately it also doesnt support hostmode ;)	19:16
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DocScrutinizer	TigerTael: uninstall? rm ?	19:17
E0x	Ian--: you can do dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt then , when you reflash do dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt	19:17
E0x	that will automatic install everything again	19:17
lcuk	E0x, tsk tsk	19:18
TigerTael	DocScrutinizer, it's not listed in uninstall...	19:18
DocScrutinizer	lcuk++	19:18
slonopotamus	Stskeeps: sleeping is for weak :)	19:18
lcuk	Ian--, use the backup application to have your settings and app choices and repos all saved happily	19:19
lcuk	then do whatever you have to do to update, then restore if required	19:19
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DocScrutinizer	sleeping is overrated anyway	19:19
lcuk	it restores settings and catalogues and even opens app manager with nice list of apps to restore	19:19
E0x	oh backup app save the selection ?	19:19
E0x	nice	19:19
lcuk	E0x, your method requires getting root	19:19
Ian--	yes i know that's what i did for pr1.1.1 ...just i guess OTA would be much easier	19:19
Ian--	lol	19:19
lcuk	which requires getting network config working	19:19
lcuk	which requires going onto repositories	19:20
lcuk	etc	19:20
slonopotamus	DocScrutinizer: overrating is also overrated, you know	19:20
lcuk	restore involves clicking restore ;)	19:20
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: excempt the apt-get install foo	19:20
MohammadAG	t-tan, http://xkcd.com/644/ :)	19:20
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Shapeshifter	Any ideas how I'd be able to install mp-fremantle-generic-pr? I uninstalled it because I needed qt4.6 from the SDK repo. Now I can't update OTA because I can't install it anymore, because "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libqt4-gui (= 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5) but 4.6.2~git20100310-0maemo1+0m5 is to be installed" and so on. (and I can't find my usb cable for a regular flash)	19:20
DocScrutinizer	lcuk: for which I got my own little apt-get wrapper now	19:21
lcuk	DocScrutinizer, backup/restore does all the normal apps?	19:21
lcuk	you may however have more	19:21
MohammadAG	Shapeshifter, apt-get --reinstall install libqt4-gui?	19:21
lcuk	since you are a god etc	19:21
opdf2	man getting rootfs free is too tough. I think I'm forced to use NSU	19:22
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: mhh. "Reinstallation of libqt4-gui is not possible, it cannot be downloaded"	19:22
MohammadAG	rm -rf /* (seriously DON'T do that)	19:22
MohammadAG	Shapeshifter, fake a package :)	19:22
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: does that even work in busybox? I know it doesn't in normal bash.	19:22
Shapeshifter	MohammadAG: --no-preserve-root	19:23
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: please add a # to head if line	19:23
Shapeshifter	you know	19:23
MohammadAG	Shapeshifter, feel free to try it	19:23
Shapeshifter	:>	19:23
hrw	DocScrutinizer: rootfs 227.4M 139.5M 83.8M 62% /	19:23
DocScrutinizer	the way you posted it it's syntactically correct	19:23
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hrw	Shapeshifter: apt-get dist-upgrade?	19:24
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MohammadAG	or that	19:24
Turks	sorry for the simple question but whats the command to purge apt's local package cache?	19:24
lardman\|home	hmm, PR1.2 is out, interesting	19:24
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: never post potentially destructive cmdlines in a executable form	19:24
hrw	lardman\|home: nearly half year before my rumour	19:24
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, dd... nvm	19:25
lardman\|home	hrw: lol	19:25
lardman\|home	how long has it been out?	19:25
Shapeshifter	hrw: doesn't seem like that pulls in "PR1.2". It's no different from the normal apt-get upgrade. just the new pyqt4 and some other minor stuff	19:25
lardman\|home	~curse having too much work to do	19:25
MohammadAG	hrw, rootfs 232868 128860 99728 56% /	19:25
infobot	May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, having too much work to do !	19:25
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lcuk	lardman\|home, \o heya	19:25
hrw	lardman\|home: flash images today, ota tomorrow	19:25
DocScrutinizer	hrw: hmm?	19:25
Shapeshifter	meh I'll just wait until tomorrow and borrow a cable	19:25
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lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer: cool, so I'm not that far behind the times then ;)	19:26
Shapeshifter	one more day of waiting doesn't really make a difference, does it now	19:26
lardman\|home	lcuk: hey, how's things?	19:26
DocScrutinizer	hrw: incredible, but still 'hmm?'	19:26
DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: also 'hmm?'	19:26
lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer: hmm?	19:27
lcuk	good thanks \o pleased we have pr1.2 out	19:27
DocScrutinizer	seems I got a massive stackerror	19:27
lardman\|home	I see it's apparently OTA in the UK now, time to see if I've enough space to upgrade	19:27
lcuk	lardman\|home, did you see i found and killed gstreamer rolling shutter problem	19:27
DocScrutinizer	all the context missing, none of your highlights really makes a sense to me	19:27
lcuk	lardman\|home, :) as always proper backup restore	19:27
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lardman\|home	lcuk: nope, been buried in report writing and house hunting I'm afraid	19:27
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lcuk	well i now how a crystal clear nicely updating camera image :)	19:28
lardman\|home	what was the bug?	19:28
SWFu	How to you video call with Skype?	19:28
lcuk	theres a gst-launch command to see how it was and how it is	19:28
lcuk	http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=670435#post670435	19:28
lcuk	it was minor thing as specifying a framerate!	19:28
lardman\|home	ah	19:29
lcuk	wood from trees tho, it worked on 8x0 just not on 900	19:29
lcuk	caught as i looked at other things	19:29
lardman\|home	lcuk: was that my suggested framerate business?	19:29
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lardman\|home	if so sorry, as I was looking for a slow update	19:29
lcuk	lardman\|home, dunno	19:29
lcuk	i think it was in original barcodey stuff maybe :p	19:30
lcuk	the effect is striking tho!	19:30
lardman\|home	glad you sorted it anyway :)	19:30
lcuk	i can now draw ontop of real live video at 30fps	19:30
achipa	X-Fade: plus, there is a slight bug in the promotion mechanism, it's not libqt4-maemo5, but libqt4-maemo5- that should be blocked, libqt4-maemo5 is a valid end-user pr1.2 package	19:31
lardman\|home	hmm, no OTA for me then	19:31
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lcuk	lardman\|home, shall have to catch up with how you are doing barcodey later	19:31
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lardman\|home	lcuk: I've not done much recently, need to get my plugin up and running and get some more UI ideas implemented	19:31
loufoque_	does maemo have a ready-made sdk for linux, or do I have to go through the trouble of setting up the toolsuite myself?	19:32
lardman\|home	lcuk: dragly has been dragging my sorry hide around with his hard work	19:32
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RichardP	ok, now I have a Maemo device, what do people consider 'must haves' or 'must do' things?	19:32
lcuk	sure ive been looking at focusing and stuff	19:32
lcuk	RichardP, you must supply patches for at least 5 public bugs	19:33
lardman\|home	yeah there's a new version in SVN which does autofocus every couple of seconds, so that should then behave better, more as people expect	19:33
mikki-kun	hm... nokia removed in pr 1.2 adduser -_-	19:33
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microlith	loufoque: there's two SDKs, the linux-native SDK using scratchbox or the Nokia Qt Creator	19:33
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lcuk	yeah lardman\|home but even if it doesnt do auto focus, on startup it should attempt to set focus to be "normal" distance from the camera eye	19:34
lcuk	and persist that setting	19:34
lcuk	so when people hold it as they know works it will beep each time they run app	19:34
lcuk	otherwise it will be frustrating	19:34
lardman\|home	well improving the 1D decoder performance with out of focus images would be a good option too	19:35
MohammadAG	how do I create a tar archive?	19:35
MohammadAG	tar -c displays unicode chars	19:35
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lcuk	lardman\|home, sure, what res do you use for 1d now?	19:35
lardman\|home	lcuk: I'm also tempted by a suggestion to have overlays on the video, something more like the N900 version of Maemomapper	19:35
lcuk	and do you do rotated barcodes?	19:35
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lcuk	to have overlays you need to convert to rgb dont you	19:36
lardman\|home	lcuk: 640x480 I think, I don't explicitly handle them, but I think the decoders try rotations too, I'd have to check though	19:36
lardman\|home	lcuk: no idea tbh	19:36
lardman\|home	hmm, any other UK residents got PR1.2 OTA?	19:36
lcuk	lardman\|home, another thing, albanc has been mucking with mapbuddy application which uses the map thing you looked at libchamplain, i think theres some issue with it that you two could discuss	19:36
Turks	whats the easiest way to screenshot in maemo?	19:36
MohammadAG	nvm	19:37
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* lcuk had pr1.2 updated a while ago, i havent tested live ota		19:37
lardman\|home	lcuk: some crash or other? I saw something about an N900 crash on the libchamplain list, but it was answered pretty sharpish so didn't pay much more attention	19:37
mikki-kun	Turks: Shift+Ctrl+p should give you a screenshot	19:37
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mikki-kun	places them in ~/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots afair	19:37
Turks	mikki-kun, n800	19:38
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mikki-kun	ahhh, hm... i only have the n900 so i can't help further ;/	19:38
lcuk	lardman\|home, albanc would know the details, it might not be crash - infact its not its packaging	19:38
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lardman\|home	ok	19:39
* albanc is reading backlog		19:39
Turks	anyone else know an easy way to take screenshots on the n800?	19:39
Stskeeps	load applet	19:40
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Turks	poo	19:40
albanc	lardman, I posted the crash post on the libchamplain mailing list. I cannot reproduce the crash anymore, I don't know why	19:41
lardman\|home	albanc: ok, so it was that one	19:41
lardman\|home	albanc: I don't know I'm afraid, I've not used libchamplain in a long while	19:42
albanc	lardman\|home, if I understand correctly, you packaged the first version of libchamplain and then pierlux did the next versions?	19:42
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lardman\|home	yes, he was the author, so I produced the initial debianisation as I wanted it for Emerillon (again his app) and then he took over/I lost interest in those apps	19:43
albanc	ok...	19:44
albanc	pierlux lost interest in his apps too, he was looking for new maintainers	19:44
lardman\|home	yes I saw that	19:44
lardman\|home	and certainly with libchamplain the new maintainer is keen and pushing patched like nobody's business ;)	19:45
lardman\|home	s/patched/patches	19:45
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PhonicUK	hey all	19:45
albanc	I tried to repackage a new version of libchamplain, as I believed it would fix my crash. But I could get it compile correctly... some libtool/misc errors	19:45
PhonicUK	anyone know if that rollercoaster game has been released yet?	19:46
albanc	So I give up for now (and it seems the crash mysteriously disappeared)	19:46
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lardman\|home	albanc: you should probably push for them to update their debian packages	19:46
lardman\|home	at least iirc 0.6.0 is out now, which should be more stable afaiu	19:47
Gizmokid2005	Am I just stupid, or does the extras protocols plugins seem to not want to install anymore with 1.2?	19:47
lardman\|home	albanc: does map buddy support data sources for anywhere other than Canada now?	19:47
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albanc	lardman\|home, the business thing? I don't know, I never get it work... (I am in UK)	19:48
lardman\|home	yeah same here, I looked at it, nice idea, and then gave up	19:48
albanc	actually I was more interested by the contact integration than the business source... so I didn't look closer	19:49
lardman\|home	It would be nice to get a unified map app, so rather than writing a new one I decided maemo-mapper looked like the best bet	19:49
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lardman\|home	albanc: as in showing their locations on a map?	19:49
albanc	yes	19:49
lardman\|home	I wrote a plugin for emerillon to scrape locations from the contacts db	19:50
lardman\|home	but....	19:50
albanc	lardman\|home, Mardy showed interest to have the "contact location on a map" feature in mappero	19:50
lardman\|home	the location info attached to the contacts is rather poor, not even lat/lon, just a place name	19:50
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MohammadAG	PhonicUK, should be out on 27th of May	19:50
MohammadAG	cause the ovi store was fixed	19:50
lardman\|home	albanc: we need to press Nokia to add lat/lon to the contact meta data, rather than just placename	19:51
MohammadAG	now no one can download packages using apt-get	19:51
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MohammadAG	except those who have the old source (diabolical laugh)	19:51
albanc	barisione, you may be interested by what lardman\|home says ^	19:51
lardman\|home	albanc: We've already spoken, but I don;t think he can fix it singlehandedly	19:51
albanc	oh ok	19:52
lardman\|home	I'm ever hopeful they've changed things for PR1.2 anyway ;)	19:52
lcuk	lardman\|home, albanc and barisione are amongst the best, you will not find any developers closer to the correct apis ;)	19:52
barisione	yeah, UI designers didn't like the lat,lon in the presence as something nice	19:52
barisione	*as it's not something nice	19:52
barisione	so they just have a string	19:52
lardman\|home	my argument was that you already do a location lookup, so no harm in just storing lat/lon/precision data too	19:52
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lardman\|home	albanc: are you a Nokian, or a subcontractor, or just a mere mortal like me ;) ?	19:54
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ponyofdeath	so anyone in the us do an successfull upgrade to 1.2 wondering what the process is when i have the power kernel? Do I have to un-install that first?	19:56
albanc	lardman\|home, /whois albanc shows the company I am working for :)	19:57
lardman\|home	is there a known incompatibility with some extras-* app and the OTA update? I.e. a reason I don't see it at all?	19:57
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lardman\|home	albanc: ah ok, just thought I'd ask rather than prying ;)	19:57
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DocScrutinizer51	~tell lardman\|home about pr1.2	19:59
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DocScrutinizer51	lardman\|home: this suggests there is no OTA yet	19:59
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loufoque_	can anyone tell me why the firmware for the UK is different than the rest?	20:01
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sECuRE	mh, i have a german n900. is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the right PR 1.2 update file? (says maemo 5 global release)	20:02
sECuRE	or will there be a more specific one tomorrow?	20:03
ponyofdeath	sECuRE: i guess from what i read tomorrow comes the specific versions all the regions	20:04
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sECuRE	ok	20:04
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ponyofdeath	not too sure tho as i have the custom kernel and how that will play out :)	20:05
DocScrutinizer51	global version should work just fine	20:05
ponyofdeath	DocScrutinizer51: what are the differences?	20:05
DocScrutinizer51	not sure. but anyway they are minor to negligible	20:06
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DocScrutinizer51	not sure if there's any more specific version for germany at all	20:07
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ponyofdeath	DocScrutinizer51: do you know if I need to uninstall the power kernel first or the re-flash will overwrite that	20:07
DocScrutinizer51	for GB there are some vendor thingies in there	20:07
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DocScrutinizer51	sorry, no idea	20:08
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ponyofdeath	DocScrutinizer51: no problemo thx i will wait for the us version tomm and let things settle a bit	20:08
DocScrutinizer51	probably it will be overwritten by new kernel	20:08
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sECuRE	DocScrutinizer51: did you update a german phone with it?	20:11
DocScrutinizer51	no	20:11
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Strobeflux	HtheB doesn't happen to come in here once in awhile?	20:14
Strobeflux	It would be nice to see what he says about this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53600	20:15
Strobeflux	I would be delighted.	20:15
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Stskeeps	Strobeflux: a bit of a witchhunt you're applying..	20:17
Strobeflux	It is.	20:17
Strobeflux	Since he has now been taking credits for other peoples work for about 4 years.	20:18
Strobeflux	And he just keeps going and going, and no one does nothing.	20:18
Strobeflux	Seriously, this guy is even making money of it.	20:18
Strobeflux	Releasing tunes on Spotify and iTunes.	20:18
Strobeflux	If he had atleast stopped at the free games releases.	20:19
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lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer51: ah my apologies, I was going from what it says here: http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/the-n900-finally-gets-the-pr-1-2-firmware/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoCentral+%28Maemo+Central%29	20:20
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DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: also sorry, but I still miss the context	20:21
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DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: could you please quote the last phrase of the conversation you referred to	20:22
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DocScrutinizer	aah, nm	20:24
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DocScrutinizer	anyway no reason to be apologetic	20:24
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valdyn	Khertan: i have no idea why, but my 3rd "Provider" in the list is "Nokia Messaging"	20:24
DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: somebody said OTA SSU will come tomorrow	20:25
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valdyn	Khertan: maybe this is Region dependent too	20:26
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DocScrutinizer	yes, it is. The blogs talk about UK OTA today, other regions tomorrow. No idea how N900 decides which region it 'is'	20:33
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Stskeeps	DocScrutinizer: variants	20:33
sECuRE	hum, on http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware it says the backup/restore would save files in /home/user/MyDocs, but when i do a backup, it is 4.8 MB big, while i have lots of bigger files in MyDocs	20:33
sECuRE	how comes?	20:33
sECuRE	will MyDocs be unavailable after flashing?	20:33
valdyn	sECuRE: backup does not cover MyDocs and MyDocs is not touched when flashing	20:34
DocScrutinizer	sECuRE: it doesn't 'save', it simply 'keeps'	20:34
sECuRE	ok, thanks	20:34
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valdyn	DocScrutinizer: i was referring to an older discussion with Khertan where he cant see Nokia Messaging in his list of email providers in his n900 email client	20:35
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DocScrutinizer	valdyn: ooh, anyway it matched the other 'thread' as well :-D	20:36
DocScrutinizer	obviously kinda wildcard-comment ;-P	20:37
valdyn	the email widget doesn't work with nokia messaging.. anyone want to confirm?	20:37
dhq	i flashed to pr1.2 ...... i downloaded the version for india ........ and downloaded the emmc......... when i install the pr1.2 its boots fine ....after i install the emmc i get square boxes and weird buttons and when i click all that i get missing images on all the icons	20:38
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lcuk	dhq, emmc BEFORE booting main flash	20:38
lcuk	or if you like emmc, then main flash	20:38
Milhouse	did you boot in after flashing with 1.2 and before flashing the emmc?	20:38
DocScrutinizer	lcuk++	20:38
lcuk	during first boot after a flash, content is moved from rootfs onto /home/opt	20:38
lcuk	flashing emmc wipes that	20:38
lcuk	killing os	20:38
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lcuk	so do both again without booting	20:39
DocScrutinizer	so, flash emmc, do NOT boot, flash roots	20:39
Milhouse	no	20:39
dhq	it automatically booted	20:39
Milhouse	flash roots, flash emmc, boot	20:39
Milhouse	s/roots/roofs/g	20:40
infobot	Milhouse meant: flash roofs, flash emmc, boot	20:40
Milhouse	fck	20:40
lcuk	it doesnt matter which order as long as you dont boot :)	20:40
lcuk	the flashing documentation should have been updated	20:40
Milhouse	think my keyboard is failing - keeps missing random keys	20:40
lcuk	lemme go peek	20:40
lcuk	~flashing	20:40
infobot	[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	20:40
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MohammadAG	it was updated...	20:40
sECuRE	what is the emmc about? i can’t find a PR 1.2 emmc file?	20:40
Milhouse	it's in red text next to the emmc download load as well	20:40
lcuk	When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image first, then the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two!(Which means that do not use "-R" switch in command line when flashing FIASCO/Rootfs	20:40
dhq	emmc doesn not boot where as the otherone automatically boots up	20:41
lcuk	thats on the emmc update instructions already :)	20:41
MohammadAG	who crippled the grammar in there!	20:41
MohammadAG	I fixed it	20:41
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MohammadAG	oh, it was readded.	20:41
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MohammadAG	to the top warning	20:41
sevanteri	Hello	20:42
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dhq	i used this sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R and it reboots	20:43
lcuk	(Which means that do not use "-R" switch in command line when flashing FIASCO/Rootfs	20:43
MohammadAG	:/	20:43
dhq	ok	20:43
MohammadAG	I'm not sure if it can be clearer than that	20:43
lcuk	yeah i know grammar is wrong, but the meaning remains	20:43
lcuk	tbh we shouldnt specify -R in the main instructions	20:43
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lcuk	and ensure people turn off etc	20:44
sevanteri	I was looking the pr1.2 changes and saw the "symlink /var/cache/apt to /home/apt-archives". I took a quick look how much space the whole /var directory takes and it takes like 56MB. Is it okay to symlink the whole /var to /home/var? are there any risks in this?	20:44
MohammadAG	lcuk, or update flasher to detect eMMC and FIASCO images automatically	20:44
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MohammadAG	but sigh... it's closed	20:44
lcuk	nahh MohammadAG	20:45
lcuk	that would still fail	20:45
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MohammadAG	why/how	20:45
lcuk	because people rarely grab flasher	20:45
lcuk	but always have to look up command line	20:45
MohammadAG	so... how do they use flasher if they don't grab it	20:45
MohammadAG	:)	20:45
lcuk	rarely i said :p	20:45
lcuk	ie those that have it now already have it	20:45
MohammadAG	then push it to the Debian repos	20:45
MohammadAG	(as well as other distros)	20:46
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sECuRE	double-checking to not do it wrong: i downloaded the PR 1.2 global image (RX-...ARM.bin) and flasher 3.5. now i should use flasher-3.5 -F *.bin -f, without the -R flag?	20:46
MohammadAG	yes	20:46
sECuRE	alright	20:46
dhq	fiasco 1st	20:46
lcuk	although most people dont need to update emmc	20:47
lcuk	since they lose photos etc	20:47
sECuRE	dhq: so i need fiasco 10.2010.13-2 first?	20:47
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lcuk	sECuRE, technically you only need the fiasco	20:48
lcuk	emmc should ONLY be done if you want to reset to factory (and should be done in combination with fiasco rootfs)	20:48
sECuRE	ok, i think i just got the images wrong. fiasco is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, right?	20:49
sECuRE	(i want to keep all my stuff and just want to go to pr1.2)	20:49
SpeedEvil	I don't think eMMC does a full wipe. That is, you might be able to recover stuff	20:49
SpeedEvil	If you care about security that is.	20:49
lcuk	SpeedEvil, not helpful	20:50
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lcuk	sECuRE, yes	20:50
valdyn	sECuRE: backup, apply that image, restore	20:50
dhq	phone not booting now :(	20:50
sECuRE	ok, thanks	20:50
dhq	should i remove the battery and try	20:50
lcuk	dhq, go for it	20:50
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valdyn	sECuRE: and manually fix "advanced" settings you might have applied ( like stuff in /etc/ )	20:51
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dhq	lcuk: it booted	20:51
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Kegetys	hmh, skype video calling doesnt seem to work that well	20:53
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Kegetys	couldnt see any video when turning it on, and when I disconnected the call the whole IM feature seemed to freeze and needed a reboot	20:55
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wutr	anyone knows if the search function in the app manager of PR1.2 is moved or removed?	20:56
wutr	*does anyone know..	20:56
sevanteri	just start typing and it searches?	20:57
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wutr	O.o	20:57
wutr	but I remember being able to press a dedicated search button	20:57
wutr	in 1.1.1	20:57
wutr	without selecting a category first	20:58
sevanteri	it doesnt work if category isnt selected?	20:58
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korhojoa_	god daymit	20:59
wutr	one moment, installing an app now after finding it with the search method you provided	20:59
korhojoa_	anyone know how to get the virtual sdk image?	20:59
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wutr	korhojoa: it's mentioned somewhere in the wiki	21:00
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breakd0wn	hey all, about to flash my emmc and to pr1.2. In the past I would always flash the emmc 1st, then the firmware. Looks like the directions have changed, or at least that part is confusing me	21:01
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lirakis	breakd0wn, (shrug) i just flashed the base firmware image	21:02
noobmonk3y	hmmm is pyside now installable on app install?	21:02
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DocScrutinizer	SpeedEvil: ack	21:02
breakd0wn	want to clean up the emmc is why.	21:02
wutr	breakd0wn: First FIASCO then eMMC (vanilla) and DON'T reboot inbetween	21:03
lcuk	breakd0wn, if you do emmc and then fiasco thats ok	21:04
lcuk	the only thing important is not rebooting	21:04
lcuk	so stick with your normal instructions if you are used to doing it that way :)	21:04
wutr	sevanteri: it used to work, yes, at least inside a category, now it doesn't anymore	21:04
noobmonk3y	lcuk, and that is helpfully assisted by the flashing part - that auto reboots right? :P	21:04
lcuk	thats the -R command line parameter	21:04
breakd0wn	that's what is confusing me. I always thought the fiasco was only the kernel from the firmware image	21:05
lcuk	so user error :P	21:05
noobmonk3y	ahhhhhh	21:05
noobmonk3y	you clever ickle thing :P	21:05
wutr	ow wait..	21:05
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* noobmonk3y is finally updating healthcheck, wohooooooooo		21:05
lcuk	breakd0wn, yeah, but optification got in the way	21:05
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DocScrutinizer	lcuk: aiui a reboot between emmc flash and rootfs flash wouldn't hurt too much?	21:06
wutr	Now I'm sure, dedicated search option in app manager is gone or hidden at least	21:06
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lcuk	sure DocScrutinizer but lets not muddy waters	21:07
DocScrutinizer	sure	21:07
lcuk	simply easier to explain no reboot inbetween - whichever way they do it	21:07
* SpeedEvil begins singing 'Mud Glorious Mud'./		21:07
DocScrutinizer	right	21:07
* DocScrutinizer can't resist		21:07
DocScrutinizer	~optification	21:08
infobot	somebody said optification was a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs	21:08
lcuk	:D	21:08
* microlith resists the urge to cynically troll the MeeGo N900 community support thread		21:08
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wall[e]	nooo.... oh no... I thought i'll have to move to #meego but i'll have to stick here for the rest of my life..	21:09
wall[e]	with MohammadAG	21:09
wall[e]	noooo...	21:09
DocScrutinizer	lol	21:10
noobmonk3y	lol wall[e] could be worse, imagine 5 MohammadAG's in here lol	21:10
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wall[e]	lol	21:10
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, what's that supposed to mean grins	21:10
* noobmonk3y thinks 1 MohammadAG is just the right number ;)		21:10
lejonet	Time to fix my expensive paperweight :P	21:10
breakd0wn	yeah, i will follow the new directions :) flash firmware, skip -R, flash mmc, done	21:10
MohammadAG	updated the wiki a bit	21:10
MohammadAG	might be useful	21:11
MohammadAG	but it needs a nuke	21:11
MohammadAG	or actually	21:11
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* lejonet hands MohammadAG a nuke		21:11
MohammadAG	removing the common parts	21:11
wall[e]	finish d/l firmware! flash time weee	21:11
achipa	X-Fade: still around ?	21:11
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X-Fade	achipa: yep	21:11
MohammadAG	"You have been signed out of the PlayStation (R) Network" I shouldn't have nuked them	21:12
lejonet	Haha :P	21:12
achipa	X-Fade: sorry to bother, seen your comment, much appreciated, but I still have no promote button ?	21:12
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X-Fade	achipa: Hmm it must hate you then.	21:12
MohammadAG	achipa, did you log in? (it happens :P)	21:12
lcuk	time to turn off irc again back tomorrow \o	21:13
MohammadAG	and did you visit the specific version of the package's page?	21:13
achipa	MohammadAG: yep :)	21:13
MohammadAG	\o lcuk	21:13
lcuk	ooo before i go	21:13
lcuk	X-Fade, sdk synced and open now?	21:13
achipa	X-Fade: oh, I can live with hate if it let's me promote :D	21:13
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breakd0wn	MohammadAG: thanks	21:13
achipa	s/let's/lets/g	21:13
infobot	achipa meant: X-Fade: oh, I can live with hate if it lets me promote :D	21:13
achipa	X-Fade: ah, spotted it	21:14
X-Fade	lcuk: You are talking weird stuff today, I really don't understand what you mean ;)	21:14
achipa	X-Fade: still missing the qtscript thingy	21:14
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achipa	X-Fade: is that automatic ? or do I need to do something ?	21:14
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achipa	X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-script/4.7.3-maemo5/	21:14
lcuk	X-Fade, nb#170203	21:14
X-Fade	achipa: Is that in nokia-apps?	21:15
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achipa	X-Fade: yes. They forgot to upload it initially, but it did land eventually	21:15
X-Fade	I am just importing that.	21:15
lejonet	MohammadAG: Hmm, I managed to flash the kernel, that small little = was the little culprit :P	21:15
achipa	ditto for libqt4-test	21:15
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X-Fade	So will take 10 minutes or so before it is indexed.	21:15
alterego	Almost finished backing up my laptop ready for buntu 10.04	21:15
lejonet	MohammadAG: That is what I would call irony :P	21:16
achipa	X-Fade: np	21:16
MohammadAG	lejonet, oh forgot to fix that	21:16
MohammadAG	saw it wrong in the wiki	21:16
MohammadAG	thanks	21:16
lejonet	:P No probs, huge thanks yourself :P	21:16
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MohammadAG	ok, done some edits to the wiki	21:17
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lejonet	And now I got a functioning phone again ^^	21:18
lejonet	Time to take an backup and flash to PR1.2 :P	21:18
MohammadAG	heh	21:18
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lcuk	\o/ X-Fade it is updated, i can now install "build-essential" on a default device (theres enough space also)	21:19
breakd0wn	that scared the hell out of me, was sitting at the 5 dots part for a long time	21:19
X-Fade	lcuk: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.5.1-1eglibc25+0m5_armel.deb	21:19
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lardman\|home	DocScrutinizer: re OTA, ok thanks, and apologies for my rather disjointed conversation, Holly booted me off the PC for a while! ;)	21:20
lcuk	yup X-Fade it was out of date and one of the blockers for mucking about, but now everything is synced again	21:20
MohammadAG	lcuk, I'd rather use qole's image :P	21:20
lcuk	MohammadAG, sure, but i just wanted it for something	21:20
DocScrutinizer	lardman\|home: yw, np	21:20
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X-Fade	community contribution in nokia-applications now: http://maemo.org/packages/view/n900-fmrx-enabler/	21:21
lejonet	Hmm, do you need anything more than an cross-compiler for ARM to compile an kernel for the N900? (Or only madde maybe?)	21:21
MohammadAG	X-Fade, what does 'explicit' mean	21:22
MohammadAG	lejonet, not sure if MADDE works, I use scratchbox	21:22
DocScrutinizer	X-Fade: err what?	21:22
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, the package was promoted to nokia-applications (no warning on download)	21:23
lejonet	MohammadAG: Explicity roughly means literally	21:23
DocScrutinizer	hehe	21:23
X-Fade	libqtm-multimedia uses it.	21:23
breakd0wn	awesome, pr 1.2, finally. Thanks for help guys :)	21:23
lejonet	MohammadAG: I'll check it out	21:23
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SpeedEvil	lcuk: How? apt-get says no.	21:23
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lcuk	SpeedEvil, with the sdk and tools repository it says yes	21:24
DocScrutinizer	force it, beat it, lart it :-P	21:24
lcuk	before it would require lots of messing	21:24
SpeedEvil	hmm	21:24
lcuk	and removal of things	21:24
SpeedEvil	I don't think I have the SDK repo enabled	21:24
lcuk	or shuffling	21:24
lcuk	now it just works	21:24
lcuk	:)	21:24
SpeedEvil	Where is it/	21:24
MohammadAG	SDK repo	21:25
DocScrutinizer	SDK repo on N900 ?	21:25
SpeedEvil	yes	21:25
MohammadAG	why not	21:25
lcuk	personally want all packages within build-essential to be optified but theres no push to optify SDK tools	21:25
DocScrutinizer	sounds odd	21:25
MohammadAG	I got a (virtual) beer from you because of it	21:25
lcuk	http://repository.maemo.org	21:25
lcuk	has info	21:25
SpeedEvil	ah	21:25
MohammadAG	lcuk, libs can't be optified afaik	21:25
lcuk	sure they can	21:26
MohammadAG	unless you have a better solution	21:26
MohammadAG	not with maemo-optify	21:26
lcuk	and /usr/share/include could have easily been	21:26
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MohammadAG	sigh	21:26
MohammadAG	PR1.3?	21:26
lcuk	MohammadAG, thats maemo-optify limitation, not that they cant be put into /opt	21:26
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lcuk	heh first revision of maemo-optify-boottime had include as one of its config items	21:27
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DocScrutinizer	~optification	21:27
infobot	i guess optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs	21:27
DocScrutinizer	move friggin /usr to eMMC	21:27
DocScrutinizer	as well as /var!	21:28
DocScrutinizer	COMPLETELY!	21:28
MohammadAG	let's move / to /dev/null	21:28
DocScrutinizer	make sur those are mounted in time	21:28
MohammadAG	lcuk, why was it dropped then	21:29
DocScrutinizer	and find a fix for rootfs flashing "postinstall" script	21:29
DocScrutinizer	then let's move ~optification to /dev/null :-P	21:30
lcuk	DocScrutinizer, you can play and test things	21:30
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DocScrutinizer	yeah, but every update will render device in a completely borked state - that's the main problem	21:31
DocScrutinizer	and as long as there's no install-time --no-otification switch it won't help anyway	21:32
SpeedEvil	for includes - surely simply a symlink would work just fine	21:32
* DocScrutinizer always thought or maybe hoped optification was all about symlinks, and nothing else		21:33
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DocScrutinizer	an application that has /opt pathes hardcoded should be stuffed down the developer's throat anyway	21:34
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* noobmonk3y cries :(		21:36
noobmonk3y	not all developers know what a symlink is lol <--------------Hint Hint	21:36
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, about 4 devs do that here	21:38
chadi	evening/morning, healthcheck! =)	21:38
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MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, and frals are two :)	21:39
alterego	Is there a good guide on optification?	21:39
alterego	Best practices docs are usually quite handy with things like these :P	21:39
* noobmonk3y does it :) - mainly out of ignorance		21:39
noobmonk3y	hehe	21:39
noobmonk3y	evening chadi !!	21:39
chadi	what's up with PR1.2?	21:40
noobmonk3y	hows the life of chadi these days?	21:40
DocScrutinizer	alterego: here it comes: cp <crap> /home/opt/<younameit>/<crap>; make a symling to original location	21:40
noobmonk3y	what do you mean what's up? :)apart from mine has a love obsession with portrait mode	21:40
DocScrutinizer	s/cp /mv /	21:40
infobot	DocScrutinizer meant: alterego: here it comes: mv <crap> /home/opt/<younameit>/<crap>; make a symling to original location	21:40
noobmonk3y	woooohoooooooooooooooooo	21:40
noobmonk3y	got the textBrowser to do hyperlinkies	21:40
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MohammadAG	yay?	21:41
chadi	my life? exams - what's with portrait mode? never seen it in pr1.2 apart from phone and web...	21:41
alterego	DocScrutinizer: symlink it to what?	21:41
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lejonet	Hmm, what backup software is recommended? :P	21:41
noobmonk3y	chadi - some other apps support it , like pygtkeditor - and mine + broswer ae permanently potraiting - except when i force them into landscape by opening the keyboard	21:41
noobmonk3y	eeeeek exams?	21:41
noobmonk3y	which ones?	21:41
DocScrutinizer	alterego: e.g. ln -s /home/opt/mycrap/crap /usr/bin/carp	21:41
alterego	Ah, right.	21:42
noobmonk3y	DocScrutinizer, i appreciate the effort to get me to do things right, but you are speaking greeklish :P	21:42
alterego	DocScrutinizer: and that's the best practise is it?	21:42
noobmonk3y	:D	21:42
alterego	I suppose that's as good as any.	21:42
lcuk	gnite \o	21:42
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noobmonk3y	nite lcuk :D	21:42
alterego	Don't really want a mamoth PATH variable.	21:42
chadi	healthcheck: that's great. my exams: computer organization, electronics, signals, algorithms	21:43
DocScrutinizer	alterego: exactly that is the rationale	21:43
Turks	question. how do i run compiled software on the n800?	21:43
alterego	DocScrutinizer: well, good to know, as I'll be needing to do that soon enough.	21:43
Turks	keeps saying permission denied running it in a terminal	21:43
alterego	DocScrutinizer: what about /{home/,}opt/* naming conventions?	21:43
DocScrutinizer	nothing authoritative afaik	21:44
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alterego	I was thinking: /{home/,}opt/domain.org/appname or something.	21:44
DocScrutinizer	good idea might be to have a <mycrap>/ and in there duplicate the original folder names like <mycrap/bin/ <mycrap/usr/sbin/ etc	21:45
alterego	Actually, that's too C:\Program Files - ee	21:45
alterego	DocScrutinizer: well, I thought that was a given :P	21:45
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odin_	so has anyone in the UK has App Manager notify them of PR1.2 update ? I keep manually asking App Man to update every few hours and still nothing	21:47
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alterego	odin_: are you with vodafone?	21:47
odin_	yup, but I am polling WLAN (UK DSL service)	21:48
alterego	odin_: have you ever flashed your device using the Nokia fiasco images?	21:48
odin_	vodafone but not subsidised, handset was direct from Nokia but UK/NL version	21:48
alterego	odin_: ah, okay.	21:48
odin_	yup I did for the last PR release (after a failed update)	21:49
alterego	odin_: not sure what your problem is then.	21:49
alterego	I manually flashed mine, but I prefer doing that for every update tbh.	21:49
DocScrutinizer	maybe flashed global version?	21:49
alterego	Ah, would that make a difference?	21:49
odin_	well no it still knows its a UK/NL version	21:49
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DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-25 19:33:08] <DocScrutinizer> yes, it is. The blogs talk about UK OTA today, other regions tomorrow. No idea how N900 decides which region it 'is'	21:50
DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-25 19:33:20] <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: variants	21:50
DocScrutinizer	[	21:50
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odin_	there are only a few versions ? EMEA, USA and ???	21:50
Stskeeps	UK	21:50
Stskeeps	:P	21:50
Milhouse	t.m.o forum just gone off the air?	21:50
DocScrutinizer	india	21:50
Stskeeps	Milhouse: it was at record users earlier as ell	21:50
Stskeeps	well	21:51
alterego	Ah, well, I always flash global edition	21:51
roquetto	has anyone ever experienced weird segfaults on scratchbox running on a x86_64 box?	21:51
Milhouse	Stskeeps: thanks, just getting connection timeouts - guess it's keeled over	21:51
alterego	roquetto: under the ARM target?	21:51
odin_	no the keyboard layout is UK/NL I guess, the hardware model I have	21:51
jacekowski	roquetto: rtfw	21:51
odin_	there are 3 global versions	21:51
jacekowski	roquetto: there is everything in wiki	21:51
roquetto	alterego: no, freemantle_x86	21:52
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alterego	odin_: he means, which image did you flash? Global or UK version?	21:52
jacekowski	odin_: one	21:52
roquetto	jacekowski: thanks	21:52
odin_	there is no UK one	21:52
alterego	odin_: yes there is.	21:52
jacekowski	odin_: there will be tomorrow	21:52
jacekowski	alterego: no there isn;t	21:52
roquetto	jacekowski: i will re read it, i might have missed something	21:52
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odin_	it is the keyboard layout that is UK/NL, but its the standard EMEA versions flashed	21:52
alterego	jacekowski: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin	21:52
jacekowski	roquetto: esspecialy part about vdso	21:52
alterego	That's the UK version	21:52
jacekowski	alterego: that's not UK	21:53
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Chiku	lol	21:53
alterego	"Latest Maemo 5 UK release for Nokia N900 "	21:53
Chiku	it's not possible	21:53
alterego	IS the site lying?	21:53
jacekowski	hmmm	21:53
jacekowski	when they released it	21:53
jacekowski	it wasn't there couple hours ago when i looked	21:53
alterego	IT's been on there since this morning	21:53
jacekowski	nope	21:53
alterego	Well, I downloaded the global edition about 12 hours ago, and it was there then ..	21:53
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alterego	jacekowski: I know it was there then, because I thought (wow, the UK version is actually there the same time as all the other versions ... neat)	21:54
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DocScrutinizer	http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/the-n900-finally-gets-the-pr-1-2-firmware/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(Maemo+Central)	21:55
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DocScrutinizer	RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin 187852797 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900	21:55
DocScrutinizer	RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin 187852797 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Middle East and North Africa release for Nokia N900	21:55
DocScrutinizer	RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.004_PR_COMBINED_004_ARM.bin 187590653 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 India release for Nokia N900	21:55
DocScrutinizer	RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin 187721717 PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900	21:55
odin_	yes I see that now a UK version	21:56
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alterego	DocScrutinizer: that was yesterday.	21:56
jacekowski	DocScrutinizer: where is UK version on that list?	21:56
odin_	which things make the UK special ? WLAN regs ? Telecomms regs ?	21:56
alterego	How long has the update been on the tablets-dev?	21:56
jacekowski	odin_: nobody knows	21:56
alterego	odin_: nothing afaik, except maybe the OTA :P	21:56
SpeedEvil	odin_: It's just cooler.	21:57
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jacekowski	keyboard layout?	21:57
alterego	jacekowski: doesn't really matter.	21:57
odin_	well its a UK and NL keyboard layout I have (or hardware is same at least, as it was on the outside of the box)	21:58
alterego	My keyboard layout is fine, with (£ instead of $) and after selecting region on inital boot. No problem.	21:58
alterego	In fact, I didn't even have to set the region, the global firmware already knew I was in the UK ..	21:58
DocScrutinizer	odin_: I have a international qwerty layout now. Been german qwertz. The hardware is the same all over the planet	21:59
odin_	well no... the keyboard layout, altho only a sticker, it a different hardware model, thats just the way it works	21:59
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sECuRE	is it just me or is the vibration more powerful in 1.2?	22:00
DocScrutinizer	odin_: sorry if I was too terse in my prev post. I changed the keymat, but the electronic hardware is still "german" which is the same as >N900-generic>	22:00
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odin_	however with regards to WLAN and BT and GSM/3G etc.. yes same hardware but programmed differently	22:01
X-Fade	Can somebody with a UK image device create a tarball of /var/lib/apt/lists for me?	22:02
odin_	maybe someone should photographic their keyboard layouts and WIKI them so everyone knows what everyones elses looks like	22:02
X-Fade	I don't have access to a UK device, but need to check something for the Packages interface.	22:02
DocScrutinizer51	so there's no reason to bother about which image might 'match' your N900	22:02
roquetto	jacekowski: is disabling vsdo all I can try? i had already tried those info on the wiki, without success	22:03
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odin_	I think I may have reflashed PR1.1.1 with Global release not UK (as I'm sure a UK one was not up there when I last looked, maybe that is what they meant by delayed UK release last time, but I too fast to notice)	22:03
Wolfie	i wonder why frals has decided to center-align the mms text field...	22:04
alterego	X-Fade: unfortunately I'm using global. Can you not just unpack the image yourself and look? :P	22:04
odin_	it was a case of, "USA" well no thats not me..... "Middle East and North Africa" errr no thats not me..... AH! "Global" that will do	22:04
alterego	odin_: exactly what I was thinking when I started doing it ;)	22:04
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Wolfie	also, line breaking is totally funky in fMMS	22:05
alterego	I heard the difference between other variants and the UK variant was Labour insisting on having a keylogger installed by default.	22:05
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alterego	That and GPS remote activation handled in the CMT firmware.	22:06
DocScrutinizer51	odin_: and that's probanly the reason your device DOES NOT think it's a UK and thus no OTA SSU for you yet	22:06
TomaszD	this is a public service announcement, if you're having troubles with skype video calls, update your desktop client. It works with the latest windows client.	22:06
DocScrutinizer51	woohoo	22:07
Wolfie	umm... doesn't fMMS have any kind of timeout?	22:07
* DocScrutinizer51 runs for latest windows		22:07
Wolfie	oh, there it went	22:07
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DocScrutinizer51	~nuke skype	22:08
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at skype ... B☢☢M!		22:08
DocScrutinizer51	useless crap	22:08
lardman\|home	Hmm, I imagine my device also doens't think it's a UK version	22:08
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, will you be doing anything in , ummmm a few minutes?	22:08
MohammadAG	yeah, I'm gonna check my schedule to see if I have anything in the next few minutes	22:09
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* noobmonk3y taps fingers n waits		22:09
alterego	Heh	22:09
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* MohammadAG sees noobmonk3y waiting for a loop		22:09
florian	re	22:10
* noobmonk3y checks with MohammadAG again....		22:10
MohammadAG	so...	22:10
noobmonk3y	free? :D	22:10
MohammadAG	no	22:10
noobmonk3y	meh	22:10
MohammadAG	non-free	22:10
MohammadAG	jk	22:10
* noobmonk3y slaps frals with a trout		22:10
noobmonk3y	fancy doing a quick devel update to see if a new h/c has randomly appeared for an update? :D	22:11
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, when did you upload it?	22:11
noobmonk3y	about 2 mins ago, so may take a few secs	22:11
MohammadAG	not really	22:11
MohammadAG	the autobuilder runs at :5 and :35	22:11
MohammadAG	wait 30 minutes :)	22:12
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MohammadAG	25*	22:12
MohammadAG	23 to be more exact	22:12
noobmonk3y	hehe	22:12
noobmonk3y	omfg	22:12
noobmonk3y	when did that happen?	22:12
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noobmonk3y	build suceeded on my screen :)	22:12
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MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, when a build succeeds it needs to be imported	22:13
noobmonk3y	omg is this new in the last 2 weeks?	22:13
MohammadAG	from what I understand it's been like that ever since the builder was made	22:13
MohammadAG	you just timed it right	22:13
noobmonk3y	naaa, mine have always been updatable on the device after about 3 mins	22:13
MohammadAG	but you're special	22:13
noobmonk3y	now that be true!	22:13
* MohammadAG high fives lcu		22:14
alterego	noobmonk3y: you've obviously got working to within a half hour cycle down a treat :P	22:14
MohammadAG	damn, he left	22:14
noobmonk3y	takes a while for the packages list to show it as updated tho about an hour or so usually	22:14
noobmonk3y	;)	22:14
alterego	Heh	22:14
* noobmonk3y is gonna be proved wrong lol - no update yet		22:15
* noobmonk3y whinges		22:15
alterego	I wonder how long it'll take the N900 to have a good workable host USB implementation	22:15
DocScrutinizer	~MohammadAG is special	22:15
infobot	DocScrutinizer: okay	22:15
alterego	The work going into it is looking very good indeed, and almost there it seems.	22:15
noobmonk3y	~DocScrutinizer is one bad ass mofo	22:15
infobot	cannot alter locked factoids, noobmonk3y	22:15
X-Fade	if ($app->name == "healthcheck") die ();	22:15
noobmonk3y	lmfao	22:15
X-Fade	Oh, did I paste that? :)	22:15
* noobmonk3y blinks :(		22:16
MohammadAG	infobot, MohammadAG	22:16
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, mohammadag is special	22:16
noobmonk3y	X-Fade, surely dus mame/torture();	22:16
MohammadAG	oh god	22:16
noobmonk3y	lols	22:16
midas_	alterego: im not sure if the n900 actually supports it	22:16
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, healthcheck now in extras devel	22:16
MohammadAG	double you tea ef	22:16
alterego	midas_: they've already got it working in some sense of the work.	22:17
noobmonk3y	icon has gone walk abouts again, oh well	22:17
alterego	s/work/word/	22:17
infobot	alterego meant: midas_: they've already got it wording in some sense of the work.	22:17
midas_	a okay	22:17
noobmonk3y	lols	22:17
alterego	midas_: there's a nice long t.m.o thread about it, unfortunately it's rather ironically named ;)	22:17
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MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, err, you got it in the last minute :S	22:18
noobmonk3y	lol MohammadAG :P	22:18
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noobmonk3y	i r the special one	22:18
DocScrutinizer	alterego: we're working on it ;-P	22:18
alterego	DocScrutinizer: I know, and I can't wait until there's something workable for everyone :)	22:19
MohammadAG	infobot, DocScrutinizer	22:19
infobot	docscrutinizer is probably jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko	22:19
MohammadAG	lol noobmonk3y she ignored you	22:19
noobmonk3y	quite possibly	22:19
alterego	Heh	22:19
noobmonk3y	anyway MohammadAG, updated? :D :D	22:19
alterego	Is openmoko still alive?	22:19
MohammadAG	as long as they don't kill it	22:20
DocScrutinizer	snot in the sense you're implying	22:20
alterego	Heh	22:20
DocScrutinizer	*-s	22:20
RST38h	so, pr1.2 out?	22:20
MohammadAG	no	22:20
Stskeeps	right	22:20
noobmonk3y	RST38h, nope, all a dream	22:20
MohammadAG	if you ask you'll get kicked	22:20
RST38h	hmmm	22:20
DocScrutinizer	lol	22:20
noobmonk3y	no MohammadAG , thats 1.3 now	22:20
DocScrutinizer	~pr1.2	22:21
infobot	i heard pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	22:21
Stskeeps	and the forums errupted in horror over the 'no commercial support for meego on n900'	22:21
alterego	Now, should I run 32 or 64 bit ubuntu, I've used 64 bit for about 2 years now, but the latent flash bug is really annoying.	22:21
RST38h	ohoho	22:21
MohammadAG	RST38h, ask infobot about pr1.3	22:21
noobmonk3y	Stskeeps, really?	22:21
Stskeeps	which is possibly, just possibly, more toxic than my distmaster review thread	22:21
Stskeeps	:P	22:21
noobmonk3y	Stskeeps, only the odd vocal few	22:21
noobmonk3y	Stskeeps, the rest are waiting on what could be possible community wise :P	22:21
* Stskeeps is watching eurovision		22:21
* noobmonk3y lols		22:21
tybollt_	noobmonk3y: I'm vocal - not odd!	22:21
tybollt_	:)	22:21
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noobmonk3y	eurovision?!	22:21
Stskeeps	yeah.. :P	22:21
noobmonk3y	lol tybollt_ ;)	22:21
thp	alterego: never had a problem with flash on 64bit ubuntu (but only went 64bit in january)	22:21
MohammadAG	some show that recently started afaik	22:22
* X-Fade slaps Stskeeps		22:22
Stskeeps	and the finnish song atm is .. interesting	22:22
noobmonk3y	not on uk channels :(	22:22
DocScrutinizer	Stskeeps: I guess it will make it into prime time news on CNN	22:22
MohammadAG	Oi, you got PR1.2 first, wait for everything else	22:22
noobmonk3y	omfg BBC 3	22:22
noobmonk3y	thats quite funny	22:22
noobmonk3y	degraded to a channel no one watches	22:23
noobmonk3y	loving finnish folkyness	22:23
matthew-	MohammadAG: what do u mean, pr1.2 released?	22:23
happyblob	lol	22:23
Stskeeps	they're actually singing n900's running meego	22:23
noobmonk3y	matthew-, released today	22:23
DocScrutinizer	matthew-: what do YOU mean?	22:23
noobmonk3y	well kinda	22:23
Stskeeps	.. and you can't have them!	22:23
Stskeeps	:P	22:23
alterego	thp: I have a problem with the mouse, it's a known issue, not sure about the environment exactly which causes it, but it is very common. Basically my left-mouse button doesn't work as it should, I have to hack it by pushing middle and then clicking left to get it to work properly. Though, this isn't the case for all apps, I suspect some are written not to care about which button for their controls ..	22:23
matthew-	Oh	22:23
noobmonk3y	OTA for the UK, and the rest tomorrow, but you can flash	22:23
matthew-	ANyone knows if it's out in UK yet?	22:23
matthew-	ah ok	22:23
MohammadAG	infobot, pr1.3	22:23
infobot	somebody said pr1.3 was a ban'able subject now.....	22:23
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noobmonk3y	lol	22:24
* noobmonk3y laughs		22:24
* noobmonk3y got in early with that one ;)		22:24
jacekowski	roquetto: disabling vdso will fix it	22:24
noobmonk3y	oh eurovision semi final	22:24
roquetto	jacekowski: thanks	22:24
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noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, Healthcheck killed your device yet?	22:25
MohammadAG	Connection to 192.168.1.100 closed.	22:25
MohammadAG	kind of	22:25
noobmonk3y	closed?	22:25
noobmonk3y	wtf	22:25
MohammadAG	no trout to host	22:25
noobmonk3y	doing what?	22:25
MohammadAG	route*	22:26
MohammadAG	ssh got swapped	22:26
DocScrutinizer	noobmonk3y: you're doing it wrong. To know how to reliably kill the device, you need lesson from me ;-P	22:26
noobmonk3y	lol DocScrutinizer :P	22:26
MohammadAG	and i2cset	22:26
* noobmonk3y is confused		22:26
DocScrutinizer	yep	22:26
noobmonk3y	whats ssh got to do with h/c?	22:26
noobmonk3y	why do some of the countries sing in english... meh - would much rather here the nationals language lyrics	22:27
noobmonk3y	hear*	22:27
thresh	because they want to win?	22:27
noobmonk3y	but everyone hates england lol	22:27
noobmonk3y	it ruins their chances	22:27
noobmonk3y	unless immigrants vote	22:27
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, aren't YOU english?	22:28
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noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, half :P and lol - tis true tho	22:28
MohammadAG	oh wait, forgot the parts you talked about in PM	22:28
noobmonk3y	lols	22:28
* thresh doesnt hate england		22:28
noobmonk3y	english people due to recent wars etc, arn't the mot loved people in the world,	22:29
noobmonk3y	i still blame G W Bush, but meh...	22:29
thresh	hmm I wonder what russians are then	22:29
noobmonk3y	anyway....	22:29
noobmonk3y	russians are russian maybe?	22:29
thresh	could be true	22:29
alterego	I think England is mainly unpopular in England, well, and the middle-east	22:29
DocScrutinizer	I'd think there's quite a difference between english and US	22:29
noobmonk3y	lol alterego good point	22:29
alterego	But the Middle-East hate everyone that isn't themselves.	22:30
MohammadAG	yes, I hate you alterego	22:30
* DocScrutinizer in fact likes British		22:30
noobmonk3y	DocScrutinizer, i agree, but i do find sometimes everyone gets bundled up in 1 cozy package.....	22:30
MohammadAG	deeply	22:30
noobmonk3y	and yes it depends on where in the world you are i suppose :D	22:30
alterego	MohammadAG: I come from burma? ...	22:30
MohammadAG	I come in peace	22:30
alterego	I suppose that isn't really middle ..	22:30
MohammadAG	(mars afaik?)	22:30
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, did you ever actually upgrade healthcheck? lol	22:31
MohammadAG	alterego, I'm from the ME lol	22:31
alterego	I leave in peices :)	22:31
noobmonk3y	omfg!	22:31
noobmonk3y	is that a bloke?!?!	22:31
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RST38h	MohammadAG: Just take along a BFG9000	22:31
MohammadAG	noobmonk3y, actually no, here's a reason After this operation, 43.6MB of additional disk space will be used.	22:31
noobmonk3y	MohammadAG, pyqt stuff :P	22:32
DocScrutinizer	OMFG	22:32
noobmonk3y	still got 95mb free in my rootfs :P	22:32
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DocScrutinizer	~art appmanager	22:32
DocScrutinizer	~lart appmanager	22:33
* infobot shoots appmanager in his sleep		22:33
DocScrutinizer	better	22:33
DocScrutinizer	..., for not showing the volume where the disk space will be allocated	22:33
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noobmonk3y	right - need to go get chineseyness!	22:33
noobmonk3y	yeah doc :P	22:33
noobmonk3y	healthcheck is still tiny :(	22:33
noobmonk3y	but uses a bloody load of dependencies	22:33
MohammadAG	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_P90 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR	22:33
tybollt_	well	22:34
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MohammadAG	RST38h, second one is my favorite	22:34
tybollt_	flashing manually involves wiping	22:34
MohammadAG	I take it to school	22:34
tybollt_	OTA is teh shit	22:34
alterego	MY rootfs is now 87.9, but I've installed all my apps back.	22:34
noobmonk3y	:D :D	22:34
DocScrutinizer	ideally from HAM pkg details you should be able to tell if a app is optified or not	22:34
noobmonk3y	:D	22:34
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, you got one? (Scar-H)	22:35
noobmonk3y	right off to go get food, back laters	22:35
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: errr wut?	22:35
MohammadAG	get me some	22:35
MohammadAG	oh and get frals some trouts	22:35
noobmonk3y	duck :D w0000p	22:35
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, second link I posted	22:35
noobmonk3y	close enough	22:35
RST38h	MohammadAG: Given the nature of the problem, I really expected you to go for WMDs...	22:35
DocScrutinizer	MohammadAG: unrelated noise gets usually ignore by me	22:36
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MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, it's only a few lines up	22:36
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MohammadAG	RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuke :)	22:36
DocScrutinizer	I see, but can't get bothered to click it	22:36
MohammadAG	hah	22:36
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MohammadAG	I thought you liked weaponry :P	22:37
RST38h	MohammadAG: Yea, except that these are half-mythical	22:37
DocScrutinizer	there's no tag "waeponery" on it...	22:37
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DocScrutinizer	no I may consider checking it	22:37
crs	Hi guys. How can I switch to silent and back to General profiles at given times?	22:37
MohammadAG	RST38h, it's the 25th killstreak	22:37
MohammadAG	so I don't get it often	22:37
chadi	I can't capture IVs on easy debian using airodump (data is 0 on all networks, even though there is a lot of active clients). Do you guys also have this poroblem?	22:37
alterego	crs: set two alarms to prompt you to do it yourself? :P	22:37
MohammadAG	I use #maemo as my spawn point	22:37
MohammadAG	:P	22:38
crs	alterego: Haha :)	22:38
MohammadAG	crs, alarmed	22:38
RST38h	MohammadAG: Yea, these will do	22:38
tybollt_	bwahaha	22:39
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tybollt_	//www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/25/meps_to_get_ipads/	22:39
tybollt_	ehr	22:39
tybollt_	fail	22:39
tybollt_	Updates to the Ovi Maps application, but no voice navigation yet.	22:39
tybollt_	^^^^^^^bwahaha	22:39
alterego	tybollt_: I posted that earlier, hilarious ;)	22:39
tybollt_	alterego: yes sorry didnt mean to post the link ;)	22:39
alterego	tybollt_: Oh, right :P	22:39
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DocScrutinizer	crs: check alarmed app	22:44
DocScrutinizer	crs: and tweakr maybe	22:44
* MohammadAG prefers alarmed		22:44
DocScrutinizer	tweakr just for additional profiles	22:45
MohammadAG	Shapeshifter, you should cut down on the options, they're a bit confusing :)	22:45
DocScrutinizer	Shapeshifter: don't listen to him, he gets confused in his own trousers' bags	22:45
DocScrutinizer	err pockets	22:46
n900-dk_	infobot: Are we there yet?	22:46
MohammadAG	#maemo should cut down on DocScrutinizers	22:47
MohammadAG	:P	22:47
* alterego contemplates writing an app that allows you to setup the device to act as an ubuntu installer.		22:47
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alterego	I'd find that quite useful, being able to switch between it being able to install 32bit and 64bit ubuntu	22:47
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DocScrutinizer	~ubuntu alterego	22:49
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* infobot lovingly explains to alterego in a way that causes alterego to weep with gratitude that alterego must read the fine, friendly manual		22:49
simoneb_	i'm trying to skip to the next track in the media player from the command line. i've seen that the media player widget sends to the dbus a command that ends with "member=get_next". How do I turn that into a command for dbus-send?	22:49
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DocScrutinizer	alterego: ubuntu -> http://xkcd.com/424/	22:49
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Spitfire_	Hai!	22:50
Spitfire_	Enjoying the new Firmware :)?	22:50
DocScrutinizer	nah, it's lame	22:50
simoneb_	Spitfire_: no new firmware here yet	22:50
MohammadAG	DocScrutinizer, hey, the guy on the left like commenting out stuff	22:51
Spitfire_	Simoneb_ look on tablet.Nokia :)	22:51
simoneb_	Spitfire_: uh? tablet.nokia.com?	22:51
DocScrutinizer	simoneb_: check http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS and fine a matching template to tweak	22:51
alterego	DocScrutinizer: no maemo :P	22:52
DocScrutinizer	~pr1.2	22:52
Spitfire_	http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	22:52
infobot	[pr1.2] available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update	22:52
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DocScrutinizer	simoneb_: esp I suggest http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-media-play	22:55
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simoneb_	DocScrutinizer: that's to play a file	22:55
DocScrutinizer	and http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-music-pause	22:55
DocScrutinizer	yes, I know	22:55
crs	DocScrutinizer: Is it in extras?	22:56
DocScrutinizer	simoneb_: ""...and find a matching template to tweak""	22:56
simoneb_	DocScrutinizer: i was infacts wondering about that two and why they were so different	22:56
crs	DocScrutinizer: Do you mean alarmd?	22:56
DocScrutinizer	alarmed	22:57
DocScrutinizer	extras-devel afaik	22:57
crs	can't find it	22:57
simoneb_	i just tried the dbus-send-music-pause, but it doesn't seem to pause the music player...	22:57
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DocScrutinizer	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145	22:58
DocScrutinizer	alarmed ^^	22:58
DocScrutinizer	though this should work better now, with 1.2	22:58
DocScrutinizer	aiui	22:58
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Dassu	:/ hmm, still getting stuttering through skype(wlan)	22:59
DocScrutinizer	wasn't it worse when skype would refuse to transmit stuttering ? ;-P	23:00
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tybollt_	was the ovi suite version compatible w/ n900 released yet?	23:01
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tybollt_	no	23:02
DocScrutinizer	cya dudes, this is a day too boring with too few new exciting things happening, to make me stay on IRC the whole evening :-P	23:02
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DocScrutinizer	simoneb_: I just wondered if maybe the first (play) is addressed to the GUI, to put the file into the playlist and pop up on screen, while the 2nd is to the actual playing daemon to cause it pause the playback	23:06
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Turks	any decent barcode scanners for the n800	23:07
DrGrov	PR 1.2 out now!?	23:07
DocScrutinizer	see /topic	23:07
b-man17	well, for the UK	23:07
simoneb_	DocScrutinizer: i found the answer here http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Phone where it says Pause what's currently playing, just change "pause" into "next"	23:07
DocScrutinizer	no, for everybody	23:07
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DocScrutinizer	simoneb_: fair enough	23:07
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer, it is out for everybody?!? :)	23:07
DrGrov	God damn!	23:07
* b-man17 didn't get an update notification		23:07
DrGrov	Party time!	23:08
simoneb_	DocScrutinizer: i'm trying to make some buttons for my laptop's desktop, to control the n900's music player	23:08
DocScrutinizer	mhm	23:09
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DocScrutinizer	[2010-05-25 22:03:10] * DocScrutinizer --> dinner	23:09
DrGrov	DocScrutinizer, PR 1.2 is also available in Finland then I presume?	23:09
b-man17	DocScrutinizer: i thought that the UK was getting it today, and everyone else tomorrow	23:10
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DocScrutinizer	>>The update is available OTA in the UK, but if you want to flash your device to get a fresh start, grab the firmware images from here.	23:11
DocScrutinizer	http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/24/the-n900-finally-gets-the-pr-1-2-firmware/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(Maemo+Central)	23:11
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b-man	ah	23:11
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DrGrov	DocScrutinizer, any news on that the phone can be used in portrait mode also for most apps?	23:13
MohammadAG	How many times was that confirmed to be NOT coming to Maemo 5?	23:14
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johnsq	Hi	23:14
* b-man will just wait for the OTA update to arrive for his area		23:14
b-man	hello, johnsq	23:14
MohammadAG	b-man, your ubuntu rootfs is kinda borked :P	23:15
MohammadAG	hey johnsq	23:15
Dima202	Is it possible to run the flasher if i have only 50% battery life?	23:15
Dima202	just came home and want to update =)	23:16
b-man	MohammadAG: everything is outdated	23:16
ToJa92	I had like 15% when I flashed	23:16
microlith	Dima202: I wouldn't run it if not plugged in...	23:16
MohammadAG	b-man, actually, /bin/bash isn't executable :)	23:16
b-man	LOL	23:17
MohammadAG	Dima202, yes	23:17
thp	microlith: well, you can't flash if you're not plugged into USB ;)	23:17
MohammadAG	b-man, I was kinda going to work on it but.. it looked for /scratchbox	23:17
Dima202	ok, thanks i'll give it a shot	23:17
MohammadAG	for some reason...	23:17
microlith	thp: ahh, I was thinking doing the update from the repos instead	23:17
MohammadAG	b-man, also ports.ubuntu.com is the most f'd up place I've been to, can't find the image	23:17
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MohammadAG	oh and still haven't paid for that thingy XP	23:18
RST38h	hmmm...flash or OTA? it is a difficult question	23:18
thresh	you already have OTA, RST38h ?	23:18
RST38h	nope	23:18
b-man	MohammadAG: they don't host images, it's a package repository - you have to bootstrap your own	23:18
RST38h	too early for us	23:18
thresh	i'm too lazy to reflash	23:18
RST38h	well, reflashing is proto is somewhat complicated in my case	23:18
MohammadAG	b-man, I wasn't looking for a root image, I was looking for something to start bootstrapping with lol	23:19
thresh	and I would need something to waste my at work tomorrow, too	23:19
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MohammadAG	I got the imax51 image, but I feel I went off course there	23:19
b-man	MohammadAG: do you have debootstrap? :)	23:19
MohammadAG	nope	23:19
Dima202	hmm Suitable USB device not found, waiting.	23:19
* b-man sends you mine		23:19
b-man	1 sec	23:20
MohammadAG	0 upgraded, 206 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.	23:20
MohammadAG	Need to get 78.7MB/214MB of archives.	23:20
MohammadAG	<-- at least my backups help	23:20
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ToJa92	[Dima202]: What os do you have?	23:20
RST38h	Are you in the UK or what?	23:20
Dima202	Windows 7	23:20
ToJa92	64-bit?	23:20
Dima202	yep	23:20
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MohammadAG	Get:15 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ tunewiki-community 1.0.7 [628kB] wohoo fixed apt (this is illegal - kind of - right?)	23:20
Viliny__	crashanddie you here?	23:21
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ToJa92	look here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_using_the_command_line	23:21
ToJa92	under 64-bit section	23:21
Dima202	ty	23:21
ToJa92	didn't work for me though, I just had to get my school laptop with xp 32-bits	23:21
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b-man	MohammadAG: http://b-man.xceleo.org/files/debootstrap_1.0.20_all.deb	23:22
b-man	MohammadAG: i'll get you a guide, 1 sec	23:23
* Dima202 rebooting		23:23
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ZogG	is extra dev down or just for 1.2 is not created yet?	23:23
ToJa92	it works for me	23:23
MohammadAG	b-man, oh it installs to the N900?	23:24
ZogG	ToJa92 always "can't resolve"	23:24
b-man	MohammadAG: yes	23:24
ToJa92	[ZogG]: Do you have the correct url?	23:24
b-man	MohammadAG: i optified it ;)	23:24
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MohammadAG	b-man, wouldn't scratchbox be faster? :)	23:24
hawai`i	MohammadAG: you have PM	23:25
ZogG	ToJa92, not sure	23:25
ZogG	b-man, what's that for? =)	23:25
simoneb_	seems i can't use dbus-send with a user which isn't "user" or "root" ... any clues? i tried with run-standalone.sh ...	23:25
ZogG	MohammadAG, you have me	23:25
b-man	MohammadAG: bootstraping on the device would be easier - and probably faster	23:25
ToJa92	[ZogG]: Remove it and add again then: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel	23:25
ZogG	what is boot straping	23:25
MohammadAG	b-man, kk :)	23:25
b-man	ZogG: bootstraping an ubuntu image :)	23:25
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hawai`i	Has anybody noticed HUGE hammering of browserd and rtcom-messaging-ui with PR1.2?	23:26
hawai`i	er, proc hammering.	23:26
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ZogG	b-man i have no clue what is boot straing, can you explain in few words or it's better to google? =)	23:26
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hawai`i	2 packages changed fingerprints in the repositories	23:26
Sryche	anyone using opera mobile?	23:26
ToJa92	[Sryche]: I have tried it	23:27
ZogG	if i make restoring the programs and select only few from list - do i loose the installed ones?	23:27
ToJa92	using MicroB / Minefield now though	23:27
b-man	ZogG: bootstraping is the process of gathering packages from a repository to construct/install the distribution on the device	23:27
Sryche	tl	23:27
summel	Sryche: sometimes	23:27
Sryche	ToJa92, i see. how did you updated microb to latest version?	23:27
summel	opera looks nice but you notice that it is not finished yet :)	23:28
dhq	what is osversion	23:28
ToJa92	[Sryche]: What do you mean by 'updating'?	23:28
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dhq	OS 2009 version 2.2009.51-1	23:28
dhq	what is this	23:28
dhq	why dont i have skype inbuilt	23:28
Sryche	ToJa92, well, which one you use?	23:28
summel	you have oO	23:28
Sryche	oops	23:29
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summel	rtfm :P	23:29
Sryche	sorry :x	23:29
b-man	MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25975	23:29
trumee	changing keyword.url in microb doesnt stick with PR1.2	23:29
b-man	MohammadAG: as a reference ;)	23:29
ToJa92	[Sryche]: The one included in PR1.2 :P	23:29
Sryche	summel, rtfg = read the fucking grammar	23:29
Sryche	ToJa92, n900?	23:29
ToJa92	yeah	23:29
Sryche	i see	23:29
summel	Sryche: no i meant dhq	23:29
Sryche	i'm using it on a n800	23:29
trumee	anybody changed google search in microb?	23:29
dhq	why	23:29
summel	dhq: you do have skype	23:30
trumee	can i add simply to prefs.js?	23:30
dhq	no i dont	23:30
Sryche	i'm trying to change user agent to use iPhone version of websites	23:30
summel	yes you do :)	23:30
dhq	when i go to settings--> voip and im all i have is SIP	23:30
summel	settings > voip & chat accounts	23:30
summel	oO	23:30
summel	there should also be jabber	23:31
summel	and skype	23:31
summel	and stuff	23:31
dhq	there is no skype i have all the others	23:31
zash	stuff is the best protocolnetworkthingy ever!	23:31
Stskeeps	dhq: try in im accounts	23:31
Sryche	zash, indeed.	23:31
dhq	i check there too	23:31
dhq	i think they dint add it in the indian one	23:32
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dhq	so i think i will download the global one	23:32
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dhq	so i download RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin	23:32
Milhouse	bit of a freaking disaster restoring a backup after flashing with pr1.2	23:34
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frals	MohammadAG: you didnt include qwerty keyboard in 0.5 of vertsms? ;-)	23:34
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MohammadAG	frals, he didn't tell me to :)	23:34
Milhouse	pretty sure that previously, upon restoring the backup all previous apps would be restored... i've got no apps to restore, lost all my rss feeds... not what else didn't make it. seems a major backward step.	23:34
MohammadAG	frals, I'd happily do it though	23:34
ZogG	ToJa92 is it freemantle or freemantle-1.2 ?	23:34
MohammadAG	frals, any way of swapping between both	23:34
frals	still not heard anything about my merge requests :(	23:35
MohammadAG	ZogG, it's fre not free!	23:35
MohammadAG	:)	23:35
frals	MohammadAG: theres a key to switch between them in my patch	23:35
MohammadAG	key?	23:35
frals	123/ABC switches	23:35
MohammadAG	no GUI switch?	23:35
MohammadAG	oh	23:35
frals	gui key	23:35
frals	buttonthingy	23:35
frals	;)	23:35
MohammadAG	ooh	23:35
MohammadAG	buttons	23:35
MohammadAG	sec	23:35
ZogG	MohammadAG anyway is it 1.2 or not	23:35
MohammadAG	yes, but why?	23:35
MohammadAG	b-man, thanks :)	23:36
MohammadAG	anyone got any ideas how to STOP hildon-desktop?	23:36
DrGrov	MohammadAG, may I ask you? Is there any portrait mode for most things now also, not only landscape?	23:36
ZogG	timeouts damn	23:36
MohammadAG	DrGrov, no, same as before	23:36
ZogG	did i got answer - was timeouted =(	23:36
MohammadAG	except for the browser	23:36
MohammadAG	<ZogG> MohammadAG anyway is it 1.2 or not	23:37
MohammadAG	<MohammadAG> yes, but why?	23:37
ZogG	MohammadAG i get error connecting to it	23:37
MohammadAG	oh	23:37
MohammadAG	sue bezeq	23:37
phellarv	Hmm should I upgrade my apps to the stuff in extras-devel? Choices choices...	23:37
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ecksun	how can i listen to all dbus-messages send/recived in the phone? Im interested in finding out how to listen for wlan-changes	23:37
MohammadAG	dbus-monitor	23:38
DrGrov	MohammadAG, ah okay. What major changes do you see at the moment?	23:38
MohammadAG	Qt 4.6.2	23:38
MohammadAG	and tmo's slower than usual	23:38
MohammadAG	:)	23:38
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ecksun	MohammadAG, okay, thx, will look into it	23:38
phellarv	MohammadAG: Hehe	23:38
ToJa92	[ZogG]: I just have fremantle	23:38
DrGrov	MohammadAG, I will still keep all my old applications and contacts etc. even through an update to PR 1.2?	23:38
MohammadAG	DrGrov, not if you reflash	23:38
ZogG	ToJa92 that;s what i think is problem in	23:38
phellarv	MohammadAG: If you do a backup first, yes	23:38
phellarv	Err	23:39
MohammadAG	phellarv, not in the same state as before	23:39
ToJa92	[ZogG]: Works for me...	23:39
ToJa92	Do you have a WLAN you can try connecting with?	23:39
MohammadAG	killall -SIGSTOP did it (thanks DocScrutinizer :P)	23:39
DrGrov	MohammadAG, so I do a backup first and then reinstall the backup and that is it?	23:39
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phellarv	MohammadAG: Well - They did for me - Atleast doog enough for me	23:39
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phellarv	good	23:39
MohammadAG	DrGrov, you'll need to reinstall all apps	23:39
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MohammadAG	phellarv, well some settings will be wiped, even after restoration	23:39
phellarv	Damn - where is my spellchecker...	23:39
MohammadAG	the bootloader is one	23:39
DrGrov	MohammadAG, ah that is a shame but nevertheless not a big problem. Just need the contacts basically.	23:40
MohammadAG	the custom stuff in /usr	23:40
phellarv	MohammadAG: Mmm - but that is expected..	23:40
DrGrov	Mobsan, contacts will be kept intact?	23:40
wollop	is it just ask any question in here about maemo etc or if you need help is there a offical help channel?	23:40
MohammadAG	I killed hildon-desktop (so that it does f up the CPU to regenerate the menu) and I'm restoring apps using apt-get	23:40
DrGrov	MohammadAG, contacts will be kept intact?	23:40
MohammadAG	which.. .is faster	23:40
ZogG	MohammadAG it's without 1.2	23:40
ToJa92	[wollop]: Just ask :)	23:40
MohammadAG	DrGrov, if you reflash the eMMC yes	23:40
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MohammadAG	my screen's red :/	23:41
ZogG	repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/	23:41
phellarv	MohammadAG: I've been working with Linux since back in the Slackware 1.0 days - So I pretty much know what to expect from such a wipe.	23:41
DrGrov	MohammadAG, so the device gives me the chance to do a backup and I accept and problem solved sort of?	23:41
MohammadAG	ZogG, deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free	23:41
ZogG	MohammadAG do you have screen protection?	23:41
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ZogG	MohammadAG nope	23:41
MohammadAG	change it to that	23:41
ZogG	MohammadAG i was talking about extra-devel	23:42
MohammadAG	phellarv, I didn't say you didn't	23:42
Appiah	is extra-devel down?	23:42
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MohammadAG	hmm	23:42
MohammadAG	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free	23:42
MohammadAG	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free	23:42
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phellarv	Just flinging out a question - If I install apps from extras-testing, and upgrade from extras-devel - Am I pretty much opt-safe?	23:42
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MohammadAG	DrGrov, use the backup app	23:42
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MohammadAG	ZogG, I have a screen protector	23:42
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ToJa92	[Appiah]: No	23:42
MohammadAG	interview done? :P	23:43
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ToJa92	[phellarv]: You never know... But in general, you should be safe	23:43
ZogG	MohammadAG which one? is it good? is it cheap?	23:43
DrGrov	MohammadAG, yes will do sir yes sir :)	23:43
DrGrov	MohammadAG, i hate to lose my contacts LOL	23:43
Appiah	hmm	23:43
phellarv	ToJa92: Expected that - Just had to ask.	23:43
Appiah	maybe I should just reboot..	23:43
tybollt_	h,mm	23:43
MohammadAG	DrGrov, I hate getting them unmerged :)	23:43
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DrGrov	MohammadAG, yes that is a true pain LOL :)	23:43
MohammadAG	DrGrov, if you reflash the FIASCO only the contacts should be there	23:43
wollop	well i updated firmware now it just reboots constant with a pink rectangle at the top or saying missing image	23:44
tybollt_	MohammadAG: "suitable usb device not found waiting" while flashing - what am I doing wrong? :)	23:44
wollop	any help?	23:44
MohammadAG	(unmerged though)	23:44
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MohammadAG	tybollt_, troubleshooting sections in...	23:44
MohammadAG	~flashing	23:44
ZogG	MohammadAG and if i have news apps and i do restore apps - do i loose new ones, or it's only add them?	23:44
infobot	rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	23:44
phellarv	tybollt_: Not pressing "U"?	23:44
ToJa92	[wollop]: Did you flash?	23:44
DrGrov	MohammadAG, nevermind. you talk about FIASCO etc LOL and I just try tomorrow. What is the worst thing that can happen? A bomb perhaps? LOL	23:44
wollop	ToJa92:	23:44
wollop	no just updating	23:44
DrGrov	MohammadAG, thanks for your kind help :)	23:44
GAN900	tybollt_, why are you flashing?	23:44
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InstantGoogle	DrGrov, np :P	23:44
jaska	googlebot	23:44
phellarv	Uuuh - New opera out too...Nice	23:44
ToJa92	[wollop]: Did you have any extras-devel apps installed?	23:45
wollop	its possible but i had the resp disabled for doing the update	23:45
InstantGoogle	DrGrov, you lose power while flashing the bootloader, turning the N900 into paperweight	23:45
tybollt_	GAN900: I want to learn how to do it. Perhaps not important now - but probably later when meego gets here.	23:45
ToJa92	[wollop]: Do you have a recent backup?	23:45
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, I kind of like to hook up my N900 to my 42" LCD Full HD Tv. Is it possible or even necessary? What cool things can I do when it is connected to the tv?.... How you mean paperweight? I will lose all settings etc. ?	23:45
GAN900	tybollt_, ah	23:45
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GAN900	tybollt_, well, follow the wiki	23:46
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wollop	ToJa92: yes i dont a backup before upgrading	23:46
tybollt_	GAN900: which is what I am doing, ehr wait not wiki, I'm following, uh wait	23:46
phellarv	DrGrov: Paperwieght = Brick	23:46
tybollt_	http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/05/how-to-hard-reset-the-n900-to-the-factory-state/	23:46
wollop	done*	23:46
DrGrov	phellarv, ah yes of course :)	23:46
GAN900	It's super easy	23:46
tybollt_	which was linked from maemo.org	23:46
InstantGoogle	DrGrov, use the inbox cable, paperweight = a reflash won't be a fix	23:46
InstantGoogle	phellarv, no, a brick's heavier	23:46
InstantGoogle	:P	23:46
GAN900	~flashing	23:46
infobot	i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	23:46
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, I need to reflash even though the device will tell me there is 1.2 available?	23:47
tybollt_	GAN900: problem is to get windows to "notice" the device - it seems	23:47
GAN900	tybollt_, ^	23:47
cehteh	DrGrov: tv out is only pal or ntsc .. no hd	23:47
wollop	ToJa92: any idea?	23:47
tybollt_	GAN900: I hear you - going there now	23:47
ToJa92	[wollop]: Well I'd suggest going to a nokia care center and see if they can save it.. worst case would be if they need to reflash - then some stuff will be removed(not photos)	23:47
phellarv	InstantGoogle: Depends on what paper you want to wieght down.. ;-P	23:47
InstantGoogle	DrGrov, wait till tomorrow, OTA will be available by then	23:47
GAN900	Hold U while plugging in the cable.	23:47
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DrGrov	cehteh, yes I know. I am not perhaps too noob if I buy a 42" tv :)	23:47
InstantGoogle	phellarv, e-paper	23:47
DrGrov	cehteh, of course no HD. Nokia is not that hardcore yet :) thanks though :)	23:47
wollop	ToJa92: would it just be apps that i would loose?	23:47
InstantGoogle	HD might be coming soon	23:47
phellarv	InstantGoogle: Then it's featherweight ;-P	23:47
InstantGoogle	kind of	23:47
wollop	i realy need the phone working for tommorow	23:47
ToJa92	[wollop]: Unfortunately all contacts and messages will be removed	23:47
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, yes I will wait until tomorrow. Otherwise things can go horribly wrong lol	23:47
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wollop	all contacts are on my sim	23:48
InstantGoogle	javispedro got a displaylink working	23:48
wollop	and messages dont matter	23:48
InstantGoogle	SIM contacts aren't that detailed	23:48
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DrGrov	InstantGoogle, can I still take calls while I keep it connected to my TV and send messages etc. ?	23:48
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* phellarv flashed to 1.2 roday at work - No problems - Just some hacks here and there is gone		23:48
ZogG	<InstantGoogle> HD might be coming soon ?	23:48
InstantGoogle	DrGrov, it will be the same as without the cable	23:48
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, ah yes. Good :)	23:48
ToJa92	[wollop]: Oh, then you could flash it if you don't really mind losing installed apps etc.	23:48
wollop	ah	23:48
wollop	ok then	23:48
wollop	well i dont mind that at all	23:48
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, I would love to have it on my 42" screen to send a few messages and make a few phone calls LOL :)	23:49
ZogG	InstantGoogle does it make coffee?	23:49
phellarv	ZogG: Instant Coffee	23:49
ToJa92	[wollop]: Just look here	23:49
ToJa92	~flashing	23:49
GAN900	Awesome, stuck keysound	23:49
infobot	extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	23:49
InstantGoogle	ZogG, I said kind of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=661612&highlight=displaylink#post661612	23:49
GAN900	PR1.2 -- It sucks because we're all working on MeeGo	23:49
DrGrov	nah, be back a bit later.	23:49
InstantGoogle	DrGrov, heh	23:49
DrGrov	Red Dead Redemption time here :)	23:49
InstantGoogle	no idea what that game is all about	23:49
GAN900	but we really do care about N900 users!	23:49
InstantGoogle	it's kinda hyped	23:49
GAN900	Can't you tell?	23:50
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, it is hyped but freakin' awesome :)	23:50
microlith	GAN900: you're starting to sound like gerbick	23:50
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InstantGoogle	FPS?	23:50
GAN900	InstantGoogle, it's GTA IV with horses.	23:50
GAN900	microlith, never!	23:50
InstantGoogle	LOL	23:50
crs	OK, what cron is being used by alarmed?	23:50
DrGrov	GAN900, it is so much more than GTA IV with horses.	23:50
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GAN900	DrGrov, I haven't actually played it yet.	23:50
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wicket	wallop: i have the exact same problem after upgrading to pr1.2	23:51
wollop	damn	23:51
wollop	i cant get my machine to read the phone	23:51
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tybollt_	phellarv: I _am_ pressing U	23:51
DrGrov	GAN900, then get it as fast as possible. it is an awesome game.	23:51
wollop	so im backing up all data i can atm	23:51
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, can I hook up my N900 to Ubuntu 10.04?	23:51
wollop	just wondering if theres a way i can fix it atm without having to flash it	23:51
wicket	seems other people have the same problem too:	23:51
wicket	http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=675711&postcount=500	23:51
ToJa92	[crs]: According to this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron#Alternatives it's nokia's "alarmd" daemon	23:52
wicket	i can ssh to it	23:52
thunderfest	alright flashing for the second time today	23:52
InstantGoogle	DrGrov, any device	23:52
ToJa92	[wollop]: Go talk to a nokia care centre	23:52
InstantGoogle	frals, is git 'awesome'? (i.e should I sign up :P)	23:52
wicket	i think i'll have to reflash	23:52
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, what would it sort of help me to connect it to Ubuntu?	23:53
dougt	anyone have a link to the 1.2 released rom?	23:53
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, can I easily transfer pictures etc. to the device?	23:53
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InstantGoogle	DrGrov, mass storage	23:53
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InstantGoogle	yes	23:53
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InstantGoogle	dougt, tablets-dev.nokia.com	23:53
InstantGoogle	why am I doing this xD	23:53
wicket	all that time waiting and nokia still didn't test it properly	23:53
ToJa92	[dougt]: Go here and enter your IMEI http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php	23:53
DrGrov	InstantGoogle, ah yes. of course mass storage. i have been too much playing Read Dead Redemption and watching 24 to even be thinking straight anymore lol :)	23:53
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phellarv	Mmm - kernel-power running again	23:53
dougt	ty all	23:53
InstantGoogle	lol	23:53
wollop	ToJa92:	23:54
thunderfest	dougt: the wiki links to it http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware	23:54
wollop	i would but i need the phone tommorow	23:54
wollop	so going to have to back it all up and flash it	23:54
frals	InstantGoogle: gitorious is pretty good yeah	23:54
frals	InstantGoogle: imo anyway :)	23:54
InstantGoogle	frals, can I get a diff file of that patch?	23:54
ToJa92	[wollop]: But you coudln't access the phone, could you?	23:54
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wollop	i can via usb atm	23:54
frals	mhm probably, sec	23:55
wollop	plugged it in and and can browse the phone contents atm	23:55
ToJa92	oh, right	23:55
tybollt_	ARGH	23:55
tybollt_	silly windows	23:55
wollop	removing all the updates that it downloaded	23:55
wollop	see how it boots now	23:55
tybollt_	or whatever it is that makes it not detect my N900 =)	23:55
frals	InstantGoogle: http://gitorious.org/~frals/vertsms/frals-vertsms/commit/88c51facd3434221a0561a424607177e43b822e5.diff	23:56
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phellarv	tybollt_: Install Linux - Better than real butter.	23:56
crs	ToJa92: thanks, I am reading that document now. alarmed has about 16MB of dependencies, I might just use fcron...	23:56
tybollt_	phellarv: bah =)	23:56
wollop	im just wanting phone back to factory settings now	23:57
ToJa92	[wollop]: Flash the fiasco image + eMMC	23:57
phellarv	<-- Proud Linux user since 1994.	23:57
wollop	great	23:58
wollop	linux user for 5 years	23:58
wollop	but its a phone	23:58
wollop	and i didnt bother using it as a computer	23:58
ManoftheSea	wallop, you're doing it wrong	23:58
wollop	how so	23:58
ManoftheSea	why get an N900 for the PHONE function?	23:58
wollop	media	23:59
wollop	music	23:59
wollop	and non symbian	23:59
wollop	oh wait	23:59
InstantGoogle	frals, it's not diff'd against the latest one is it?	23:59
wollop	am a trollan	23:59
thunderfest	because maybe you had a n810 and wished it had phone function	23:59
wollop	nah i had a n770	23:59
wollop	then i got a n78	23:59

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