IRC log of #maemo for Thursday, 2010-06-17

DocScrutinizer2for the clock that's rather nonsense, no?00:00
flailingmonkeyits a good idea, but they should really look exactly like what is loading.00:00
DocScrutinizer2well, for the clock everything is nonsense00:00
MohammadAGNope, the time isn't part of the screenshot00:00
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, start the clock app, it starts without the time showing00:00
MohammadAGand the background is a low quality image00:00
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MohammadAGhow do I convert a png to a pvr?00:02
MohammadAGwant to test something00:02
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DocScrutinizer2ImageMagick (1)00:03
shorteranyone here use Tmo prepaid sidekick plan?00:03
MohammadAGtmo is an operator?00:04
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eitamaMohammadAG it's so close to be considered working!00:05
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DocScrutinizer2hear hear00:06
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DocScrutinizer2still a workaround I guess00:06
lcukMohammadAG, imagemagik might have a convertor00:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, no imagemagic, the binary's called convert00:06
* MohammadAG opens up the man page00:07
DocScrutinizer2err hm?00:07
MohammadAGthe iPhone uses PVRs too, meh00:07
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eitamaany idea how to make the 1st row the same size as all other buttons?00:08
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eitamafor some reason the 2nd row doesn't take half of the space00:08
lcukthats quite awesome as it is eitama00:08
eitamaI don't like it like that (:00:08
eitamapart of the plan is to be able to control it later on00:08
eitamaif you have 20 contacts starting with the letter G00:09
MohammadAGadd an invisible row? :)00:09
eitamaG should be bigger then the rest00:09
eitamano ):00:09
eitamai should need to00:09
eitamakeyboard is rebeling against me00:09
lcukdynamics like that are difficult to control!00:09
lcukyou may need to go custom00:09
lcukand manage 26 floating elements00:09
eitamathere won't nesseserly be 2600:10
eitamamight be 1000:10
eitamamight be 3000:10
eitamadepends on the contact list00:10
eitamai have to solve this with grid00:10
MohammadAGhmm, just saw this in an apt-cache search query, on Ubuntu, tablet-encode - video converter for Nokia Internet Tablets00:10
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lcukbtw, how can there be 30 letters in the alphabet00:10
lcukare you inventing new ones?00:10
eitamacause I want it to be portable to symbian meego etc etc00:10
eitamasomeday it will support multilanguage00:11
eitamatbh i only removed none english now cause it's looks giberish00:11
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* eitama suggests multitasking00:15
MohammadAGyou don't want to see how he multitasks :P00:15
lcukeitama, MohammadAG is right ;)00:16
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luke-jrlcuk: contacts might not start with letters00:16
* MohammadAG still has the link00:16
eitamaWell see fragments of code here? and "/me" in the code?00:16
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luke-jrlcuk: for example, IIRC Bobby Tables surname really begins with a semicolon00:16
MohammadAGyou're making his xchat blink, he won't like that00:17
lcukMohammadAG, which link o_O00:17
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lcukive not gone yet00:17
MohammadAGlcuk, battlestation one00:17
lcukand when im properly gone vnc is closed so i dont see you :P00:17
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MohammadAG <-- this one :D00:17
MohammadAGbtw, I had to check logs, you've mentioned it here once so... I guess there's nothing to hide about it :P00:18
MohammadAGffs I so hate tracker getting corrupt!00:19
lcukpretty much nothing on liqbase is hidden anyway00:19
eitamaIt's working00:21
eitamait's working00:21
eitamai told you i'll make it work00:21
eitamawithout manually managing them00:21
eitamascreenshots in a bit00:21
lcuknever doubted it, now make them dynamically respond to changing sizes as you add/remove contacts :P00:21
MohammadAGHmm, reminds me of the Symbian^1 contacts app :)00:22
eitama1st i want to make them appear dynamically by scanning the contacts, so far i was clicking "dial" to add them00:22
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MohammadAGheh, beats the Symbian one hands down :D00:27
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nas_very nice !00:29
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pupnikpython --- sigh00:31
eitamaI hate python.00:32
eitamaRather write in c++00:32
eitamaBut no doubt the best is C#00:32
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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:41
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Dotblank2after upgrading to pr 1.2 my tracker does seem to work00:51
Dotblank2I think its because I need to reset the tracker00:51
Dotblank2how do I do that?00:51
MohammadAGtracker-processes --hard-reset00:51
MohammadAG<-- faster than a bot00:51
MohammadAGyw :)00:52
MohammadAGinfobot, trackerreset00:53
Dotblank2well that instantly fixed my problem00:53
infobothmm... trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal00:53
vldcnstbot had 1s response time00:54
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MohammadAGNew game on the ovi store, 5 euros01:11
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pupnik_  Iron: Google Chrome without the spyware01:17
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HtheBu there?01:17
HtheBanyone else? :P01:18
eitamazen bound?01:18
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eitamahey HtheB01:18
* eitama Plays with Qt in the background so might be slow to respond01:19
HtheBi need some help tomorrow :p01:19
HtheBgot an exam01:19
eitamaWith what?01:19
HtheBI will kinda fail.... so a helping hand is always welcome xD01:19
HtheBJava :(01:19
HtheB(mostly UML stuff)01:19
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eitamaI know java01:19
HtheBi suck @ java01:19
eitamahave no idea what UML is01:20
HtheBUML diagrams01:20
eitamaUML is a class in java?01:20
HtheBunified moddeling language01:20
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zashPaint as IDE :D01:20
HtheBbut java is also welcome01:20
eitamabtw no one can suck @ java01:20
eitamait's easier then01:20
MohammadAGHtheB, yeah, just purchased the game and it's not downloading lol01:21
eitamawriting the windows version on the disc you just burned01:21
eitamaWhat help do you need with java?01:21
HtheBwhich game?01:21
eitamaZen 5 euro bound01:21
MohammadAGZen Bound01:21
HtheBzen bound is out!?01:21
HtheBdidnt check ovi lol01:21
MohammadAGI see how they pulled it off now...01:21
HtheBit's some "basic" java stuff01:22
MohammadAGMimetypes to launch app manager instead of asking what to do with it01:22
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eitamaok so01:22
eitamajava has garbage collection01:22
HtheBeitama, are you here online?01:22
eitamai am offline01:22
eitamaI might be01:22
eitamayou can always e-mail me01:23
HtheBexam starts at 10.25 :(01:23
eitamai check my mail like 20 times a day01:23
eitamawhat the time for you now01:23
eitama1.23 here01:23
MohammadAGctcp time ftw01:23
HtheBso 11.25 over there :p01:23
HtheBI can take pictures with my N90001:23
eitamathere here?01:23
MohammadAGHtheB, he's the same time zone as me, so 1:2301:23
HtheBand sent them directly to you01:23
HtheBMohammadAG, if you lik to help me too :D..01:24
eitamayou mean01:24
MohammadAGJava eh?01:24
eitamawhile doing the exam?01:24
HtheBeitama, jup :D01:24
* MohammadAG thinks01:24
* MohammadAG tries to remember01:24
HtheBi can also stream the questions with Qik01:24
MohammadAGOh yeah, the crappy language!01:24
eitamaWon't you get caought and kicekd or something?01:24
HtheBso you can watch again once I streamed the questions01:24
HtheBdid it last time01:24
HtheBthe "teachers" are dump01:24
eitamathat is truely awesome01:24
MohammadAGyou do know this channel is logged, since 200501:25
eitamadumb* (:01:25
eitamaahm ahm01:25
eitamasince the last time you streamed questions01:25
MohammadAGchannel logged people!01:25
HtheBMohammadAG, so? :p01:25
HtheBeitama, yes?01:25
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eitamaI mean it's logged01:25
eitamasince the last time you streamed questions01:26
MohammadAGhit end01:26
HtheBbut that wasn't over here at IRC01:26
MohammadAGand you'll see this convo01:26
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MohammadAGOvi's downloading scheme sucks, there's no download bar01:26
MohammadAGand seriously, microb should use MyDocs not /var/tmp!01:26
eitamaThanks to Marius Gedminas we have logs available in chronological order.01:26
eitamaAnyway to your issue HtheB01:27
eitamaI use java at work01:27
HtheBcool :D01:27
eitamato write tests01:27
eitamain jsystem environment01:27
eitamaI never learned it accademicly01:27
HtheBthe exams are in english, so it shouldn't be hard :p01:27
HtheBits seriously basic stuff01:27
eitamano no01:27
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eitamathats not the problem01:27
eitamajust saying01:28
eitamayou can't rely on me01:28
eitamafor the Correct answers01:28
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HtheBbetter then nothing like me xD01:28
eitamaas i always google01:28
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HtheBjust google while im doing the test haha01:28
HtheBu can reply then :P01:28
HtheBI have 100 minutes01:28
HtheBfor the exam01:28
eitamawhat time exacly the test starts01:28
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MohammadAGyou're not helping him by helping him cheat :P01:28
eitamaIf you can't beat them01:29
eitamajoin them01:29
* MohammadAG beats HtheB 01:29
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* HtheB revices01:29
* HtheB revives*01:29
MohammadAGyou better revise01:30
* MohammadAG sets ban on HtheB till 1 PM local time01:30
DocScrutinizer2nah, memememememeeeeee01:31
MohammadAGOvi, ovi, ovi, when are you going to learn Nokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/deb files# dpkg -i zenbound_1_0_4_1_armel.deb01:31
MohammadAGIf anyone's interested in getting a ban, PM me asking for the deb file01:31
MohammadAGyes, I'm a grass01:31
eitamaBTW mohammad01:33
MohammadAGis /var/tmp needed before /home?01:33
eitamawhere you from?01:33
MohammadAGstart up your GPS at country level and you'll know01:33
MohammadAGI asked about 012 for a reason :P01:34
eitamaif I may ask ofc01:34
MohammadAGdesigned for headphones wtf01:34
eitama012 = crap01:35
MohammadAGZen Bound lol01:35
eitamaahhh lol01:35
MohammadAGI know, I'm on 01401:35
eitamawtf is 01401:35
MohammadAGBezeq international01:35
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nextimeon which web engine is based the default web browser on maemo?01:35
eitamais it good?01:35
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MohammadAGidk, just started it01:36
eitamaAppleWebKit afaik01:36
zashnot gecko?01:36
eitamadon't make me run a tcpdump (;01:36
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MohammadAGGecko afaik01:36
eitamamaybe i am wrong (:01:37
MohammadAGAppleWebKit is used on Symbian crap01:37
eitamacouldn't very much be01:37
GAN900eitama, it's Gecko. :)01:37
* MohammadAG 1 - 0 eitama 01:38
nextimei'm happy to see that it work well on heavy ajaxian web applications01:38
HtheB<nextime> on which web engine is based the default web browser on maemo?01:39
MohammadAGthe music in Zen bound is epic with headphones01:39
HtheBFirefox? :p01:39
nextimeso, the one on which i'm working will work good also on both android, iphone and maem/meego :D01:39
MohammadAGa bit relaxing01:39
MohammadAGHtheB, firefox is based on gecko01:39
HtheBso the answer: Gecjo01:39
nextimeHtheB : apparently not, if it is webkit based it isn't gecko like firefox :)01:39
HtheBso the answer: Gecko*01:39
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nextimeanyway, the important thing is that it is working even on my qooxdoo comet based app01:40
MohammadAGthat's not bad  3238  1218 user     R    16756  6.9 40.4 /opt/secretexit/zenbound zenbound01:40
HtheBI know that they dropped firefox in future release01:40
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MohammadAGwell, no the best game, but still, some progress is good.01:41
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* HtheB is going to sleep now01:44
HtheBneed some rest for the exam xD01:44
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MohammadAGwow, a lot of users don't know about HID support in fremantle
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asjpeople were all a twitter about the n97 until it came out too01:51
asjand I guess for about 2wks afterwards...01:51
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HtheBhappy ending!01:53
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DocScrutinizer2/kick HtheB01:59
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, no, please, if you decide to do that let me do it01:59
MohammadAGjk :)01:59
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HtheBi love #maemo02:03
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opdf2is there another phone that multitasks like N900?02:08
pupnik_no other phone uses maemo5, so no02:09
opdf2The only one I can think of is palm pre maybe02:09
MohammadAGLOL, Web OS doesn't do proper multitasking afaik02:09
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eitamaMy N95 did (l02:09
opdf2so N900 is only phone that does it properly?02:09
asjopdf2: for many years many phones have run 100s of applications just to boot...many phone runs linux so they multitask in the same way...what do you mean02:09
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opdf2I like the multitasking of N900, where it doesn't close programs automatically like android02:10
opdf2and the task manager02:11
asjandriod I thought runs all applications in the background to make switching fast02:11
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opdf2what does 'proper' multitasking?02:12
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pupnik_i don't know02:13
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pupnik_others say palm does 'full multitasking'02:13
asjsymbian certainly does multitasking assuming the phone doesn't run out of ram...better prioritization than maemo too02:13
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opdf2okay, so N900 is not alone? that is good02:14
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eitamaI was kidding aobut the N95 (:02:14
MohammadAGafaik, WebOS removes the process from memory02:15
MohammadAGor something02:15
MohammadAGiPhone OS 4.0 does that02:15
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DocScrutinizer2Openmoko Freerunner does proper multitasking02:15
opdf2proper means keeping all tasks in memory?02:16
eitamaproper means02:16
HtheBearth to #mameo02:16
HtheBdo u copy me02:16
eitamaKeeping the apps running02:16
HtheBstupid lag02:16
DocScrutinizer2well, it's 'real linux'. so yes02:16
eitamagiving them CPU time02:16
eitamaallowing you to see multiple programs at the same time02:17
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eitamawith live update02:17
asjproper doesn't mean all tasks in memory, dynamic paging makes not true of any linux system02:17
opdf2so 'proper' multitasking is n900 & freerunner, all else is pseudo multitask?02:18
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asjopdf2: no02:19
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b-man17~seen MohammadAG5102:24
infobotmohammadag51 <~MohammadA@> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 25m 46s ago, saying: 'oh well, you know what that means'.02:24
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MohammadAGb-man, ?02:25
b-manoh, lol02:25
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pigeondoes anyone know if you can set different passwords for imap and smtp for an account with nokia messaging?02:26
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HtheBhappy ending?02:28
b-manoh no not again lol02:29
MohammadAGthat won't end well02:29
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Nomawhat's the situation with usb host right now?02:32
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pigeonis it possible to disable usb charging on the n900?02:35
SpeedEvilNoma: Not ready yet02:36
MohammadAGNoma, when it's ready you'll see the channel scrolling real quick :P02:36
Nomawhat devices have you been able to get to work by now? just storage drives?02:37
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SpeedEvilBasically, at this point, we're trying to get all devices working consistently.02:44
MohammadAGit works 1/10 of the times02:44
SpeedEvilAt the moment, nothing works very consistently, for a number of poorly understood reasons.02:44
MohammadAGI guess02:44
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MohammadAG1 being me, 9 being the rest of the 'team'02:44
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jaemSpeedEvil, is that sentence original?02:45
jaemIt sounds like something Douglas Adams would write... :P02:46
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* SpeedEvil sighs, and wishes there were an easy way to revert a long list of changes on the wiki.02:48
crashanddieoh bollocks, still that same "one cpu doesn't allow multitask" argument?02:49
jaemSpeedEvil, vandalism?02:49
crashanddieFor fuck's sake, people have been doing multitasking for decades (listening and writing), nobody ever annoyed anyone with "they only have one brain"02:49
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SpeedEviljaem: Not intentional. Misguided - in my view - maintainance.02:49
crashanddieThe whole point is that each task only requires one single amount of time to complete, and can be delegated and paused in a way that seamlessly allows for multitasking02:50
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: for one wikipage there actually is a way02:50
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DocScrutinizerin history02:50
jaemcrashanddie, well, one could make the distinction between "multiProcessing" and "multitasking" - the latter generally involving timeslicing, but being somewhat more loosely used.02:50
jaemBut I agree with what you're saying.02:51
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crashanddiemeh, if I process a signal, I can only process it so many times per second (e.g.: sound being recorded at 44kHz).02:51
SpeedEvilBasically - I wrote most of [[Category:N900 Hardware]] - and am the process of going through these pages about weekly, improving them. And someone came along and moved all of them, so I get redlinks when I enter page titles from memory, which consideraly slows me down, and I don't believe the move actually aids anyone.02:51
crashanddiethough, good point.02:51
MohammadAGcrashanddie, don't like the discussion? kick ChanServ02:52
* crashanddie kicks ChanServ 02:52
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: ~50 moves02:52
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jaemcrashanddie, I doubt the person who wrote that was being that pedantic, though :P02:52
pupnik_multics was what, 1967?02:52
an0therb0xhow do i play real audio files on the n90002:53
MohammadAGWhy is Apple against porn <-- this thread has potential02:53
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: undo?02:53
DocScrutinizerwon't do?02:53
jaeman0therb0x, My first though: why would you want to?  My second thought is "probably MPlayer"02:53
SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: yeah - I guess.02:54
jaeman0therb0x, I don't think it will play RealVideo (at least in the Maemo build), though, but it might do audio02:54
pupnik_i highly distrust realaudio02:55
jaempupnik_, I don't blame you... but I figured that would be a less useful answer02:56
jaemI just know that on the one occasion I had need to play an RMVB file (or whatever the ext is) on my Nxx0, it played the audio track, but didn't like the video.02:56
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SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: Do you have that bug ID you filed for the wiki contributions handy?03:01
DocScrutinizernot right here03:02
* SpeedEvil sighs.03:02
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DocScrutinizer2* [10573] [Wiki] Searching for wiki contributions by username yields no results03:05
DocScrutinizer2SpeedEvil: ^^^03:05
DocScrutinizer2bug 1057303:06
povbotBug Searching for wiki contributions by username yields no results03:06
acidjazzSpeedEvil you need to
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flailingmonkeyi read way too much irc backlog03:17
flailingmonkeyi read the logs on the web too...03:17
cure`i just got zen bound and the ar app03:19
cure`too bad i dont have a printer at home03:19
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paolo-vaioqualcuno parla italiano03:54
paolo-vaiomi leggete??03:56
nextimepaolo-vaio : si, ma questo e' un canale in cui e' meglio parlare in inglese essendo non specifico italiano03:57
paolo-vaioTi chiedo scusa03:57
paolo-vaioGentilmente e cortesemente posso chiederti un info??03:57
nextimenon scusarti con me, io sono italiano e ti capisco, scusati con gli altri che non ci stanno capendo. Please in english if you can, o se non riesci piuttostoin privato03:58
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shorterhow do you see call duration after you hang up?04:23
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shorterAlso, I'm guessing "Dual" means both "3g" and "gsm"04:31
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shorterany idea about the calling history?04:35
shorterduration of callls?04:35
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mikki-kunhi... does anybody know here where the wireless passwords of the n900 are stored?04:41
mikki-kuni'd need a recovery of one04:41
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SpeedEvili would guess somewhere on the flash.04:42
* SpeedEvil should really try to think.04:42
SpeedEvilicd does that sort of thing I think.04:42
* SpeedEvil is feeling stupidly demoralised.04:43
* MohammadAG51 wouldn't be suprised if it was stored as plain text04:43
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SpeedEvilIt is04:43
b-man"cat /usr/sbin/docpurge | grep hackers" < LOL04:44
SpeedEvilgconftool --dump /system/osso/connectivity/IAP04:44
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mikki-kunthanks for that :) so yeah, had a char as well wrong all the time on another one... that's why it didn't work ^^04:52
* SpeedEvil hates that sort of stupid stuff.04:53
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shorterDocScrutinizer, skype is cheaper than any SIP provider I've found - is this what you expected?04:57
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jacekowskino way04:59
jacekowskifree free and free05:01
jacekowskino way you can get cheaper with skype05:01
SpeedEvilThey could pay you to make calls.05:01
pwnguinthey have those05:02
pwnguinthey're call telemarketers05:02
shorterjacekowski, I'm trying to have allow any phone to call me and me to call any phone (landline -> voip for example)05:03
jacekowskithen you pay 1 euro for number05:04
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pwnguinshorter: these days, even voice lines are transmitted digtally, over an internet05:05
shorteryeah, what does that mean?05:05
SpeedEvilThey don't use internet type technologies.05:05
SpeedEvilThey use pigeons.05:05
jacekowskishorter: that when you call somebody05:06
pwnguinwell, i donno if they use the same lines as tcp/ip internet05:06
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jacekowskishorter: analog signal that reaches your local exchange is converted to 64kbit data stream05:06
shorterbasically, I want to 1) transfer my current number to SIP 2) have anyone able to call me 3) be able to call anyone - for cheap05:06
jacekowskipwnguin: they do05:06
pwnguinbut pretty much the only thing left is telephone numbers and routing05:06
jacekowskishorter: 1) not going to happen05:06
jacekowskishorter: 2 ) phone would have to be constantly online05:07
pwnguinsome day you'll dial domain names instead of numbers05:07
shorterwhy can't 1 happen?05:07
jacekowskithere are no voip providers that transfer numbers05:08
shorter2) It should have voicemail, though, and I'll usually be within wifi - if not, 3g05:08
jacekowski2 ) it's illegal to use voip over 3g05:08
jacekowskiit's just breach of t&c05:08
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shorterskype does it:
shorterjacekowski, but people do it anyway, who cares?05:09
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jacekowskishorter: that's just call forwarding05:09
jacekowskishorter: with different name05:09
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jacekowskishorter: and when your phone decides to roam because of weak signal from cell tower05:13
jacekowskishorter: you will probably miss call on voip05:14
jacekowskiand because gsm is doing paging differently chances of that happening are slim05:15
shorterthat's okay I guess05:15
shorterleave a message05:15
shorterchances of what are slim jacekowski05:16
jacekowskilost call during handover from one cell to another05:16
jacekowskialmost like non existient05:16
shorteroh, that's okay I guess05:16
shorterI'll still have voice service05:16
shorterI just don't want to use it much05:17
jacekowskiwhy are you doing it anyways05:17
shorterbecause I have prepaid and I want to be in any country and receive a call on the same number05:17
jacekowskii mean plans with internet ussualy include shitloads of minutes as well05:17
shorternot mine05:17
jacekowskiso you have free internet on prepaid?05:18
jacekowskifree unlimited?05:18
jacekowskiwith fair usage policy?05:18
shorterI haven't read one05:18
jacekowskiprobably yes05:18
shorterI feel wahtever I'm doing is fair05:18
shorterthey advertise as "dataplan unlimited"05:18
jacekowski"dataplan unlimited*"05:19
jacekowski* T&C's apply05:19
shorternot as if I use 1/100th of the daily data i use via cable internet05:19
jacekowskibesides, voip over gsm is just adding another layer to it05:20
jacekowskii never managed to get decent call quality without really good signal05:20
jacekowski3g signal05:20
jacekowskion 2g jitter was just too big05:20
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jacekowskiand QoS on cell towers prioritise voice over data05:21
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shortersorry, X froze05:25
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shorterdid you have a good 3g signal - some people have reported good call quality, jacekowski05:26
asjI've had good call quality with voip over 3g05:28
shorterasj, what voip provider?05:29
asjshorter: 2 of them, and iinet05:29
asjbut the telco makes a bigger difference05:29
asjstrange things happen on Optus, don't know if it's voip only, but after 10 minutes the 3g connection gets weird05:31
SpeedEvilI get sub-100ms pings most of the time on 3G here05:31
SpeedEvilwhich would be fine for that05:31
asjTelstra works fine, nothing strange05:31
asjI was also calling overseas, so both parties expected some latency05:32
shorterwhich provider you have?05:32
shorterI'm on tmo atm05:32
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konfooanyone know if pluthon will run reliably on x64?07:36
konfoohmm nm i already installed it on this box 2 months ago07:39
konfooshort term memory ftw07:39
swc|666anyone know if there's a way to launch an app with (py)qt4 and foreground that app's window?07:39
swc|666actually i can prolly hack around with wmctrl07:41
Dassuhave you tried "$ app &" ?07:54
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pigeonanyone tried that arapp thing?07:54
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swc|666Dassu, doubt that would work08:11
swc|666plus it would screw up what i'm doing08:11
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luke-jrInstantaneous battery voltage (mV):     318509:58
luke-jrthat's low?09:58
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luke-jr3863 a few seconds earlier said: Remaining standby time to battery low (mins):   1495410:00
luke-jrso much for 10 days :/10:00
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nas_goodmorning ! dows anyone know how to edit the cursor ( /opt/usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp ) on n900 ? as I saw with " file " command it is GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST  filetype .. Gimp didn't work .. I just want a simple "  x  " as cursor10:14
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timeless_mbpnas_: did you try google?10:16
timeless_mbpand you didn't find that link ^ ?10:16
nas_I'll check the link , thanks10:17
nas_maybe I didn't use the best  keywords10:17
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timeless_mbphow many keywords do you think i used?10:18
nas_aahahahah .. max 3 ?10:18
timeless_mbpwhat keyword did i use?10:18
nas_cursor ?10:18
timeless_mbpdoesn't seem likely10:19
nas_transp ?10:19
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timeless_mbpwhen using google, you want to pick the word which is uniquely associated with your problem10:19
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timeless_mbplonger random token-like words are your friends10:19
nas_so what was the magic word ?10:19
timeless_mbpdo you have any of those?10:20
timeless_mbpcursor is hardly unique, it could reference the text input flashing indicator, or a mouse indicator, or a database reference point, plus if it actually was a mouse thing, it could relate to any of a number of operating systems10:21
timeless_mbpthat's hardly unique10:21
nas_xcursor ?10:21
timeless_mbp'gimp' is hardly unique since it's used for all sorts of things10:21
timeless_mbpxcursor is only vaguely unique, and it doesn't accurately describe your problem10:22
nas_dimentions of cursor ? 16 x 16 ? 32 x 32 ?10:22
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jacekowskitimeless_mbp: one keyword?10:22
timeless_mbpyou're looking for something unique10:22
timeless_mbpjacekowski: ONE10:22
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timeless_mbp<nas_> goodmorning ! dows anyone know how to edit the cursor ( /opt/usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp ) on n900 ? as I saw with " file " command it is GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST  filetype .. Gimp didn't work .. I just want a simple "  x  " as cursor10:23
timeless_mbpwas my entire set of possible tokens to consider10:23
nas_yea , tried that ..10:23
nas_maybe I missed the link you showed me10:23
timeless_mbpnas_: workedforme10:23
timeless_mbpit was hit 510:23
jacekowskitimeless_mbp: that's probably personalised google stuff10:23
jacekowskion my google it's on 2nd page10:24
timeless_mbpfor me, it's highlighted as 'get more discussion results'10:24
timeless_mbpso it's probably promoted as a 'discussion'10:24
timeless_mbpbut still…. if you're googling, you should be willing to look through 20 links10:25
timeless_mbpi only read two links10:25
timeless_mbpthe first one i read was
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* timeless_mbp sighs10:31
timeless_mbpunhappy irc client10:31
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plastunhello! what to do, if value text doesn't fit in hildon.Button?10:39
marmouteplastun: crie10:40
plastunof course, I'm crying now :) but10:40
plastunI can put this button into PannableArea, but it looks not pretty. Other ideas?10:41
timeless_mbpmarmoute: s/crie/cry/10:42
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nas_timeless_mbp: thanks ;) just changed the cursor on my n900 ;)  I could write a mini " how to " for other people10:50
tybolltanyone figured how the hell to do a mouse-over in micro-b10:51
tybolltw/out actually pressing anything10:51
eitamaYou start mousing over an area that doesn't do anything10:52
eitamaand leave the cursor on where you wanted10:52
eitamajust a workaround..10:52
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timeless_mbptybollt: ?10:52
eitamaHello, What is the best widget to use for inserting multiple QPushButtons into, with the option to scroll if there are too many?10:52
timeless_mbptypically you enable hover mode10:52
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tybollteitama: yes but that "selects" everything leaving all text inverted - sometimes that renders the text invisible :-|10:56
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tybollttimeless_mbp: what the hell is hover mode other than mouse mode?10:57
timeless_mbpit's mouse mode...10:57
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tybollttimeless_mbp: point is mouse mode does not work w/ all those fancy JS menus that doesn't pop out until you mouse over them since if you try to mouse over them you actually click them leading to an entirely other action than intended10:59
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tybolltI*ll give you an example site11:00
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tybolltthat site11:01
tybolltmenus on the top11:01
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tybollttry mouse overing them w/out "selecting" the text or clicking them11:02
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timeless_mbpthat site beachballs my safari511:02
timeless_mbpand its use of flash is broken11:03
timeless_mbpthe menus are behind the flash11:03
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dotblankI am always on a never ending quest to purge all flash11:04
timeless_mbptybollt: so, i got it to work the second time i tried11:04
tybolltdo spill11:05
timeless_mbptybollt: try starting your initial tap on the third picture in the row below the menu11:05
tybolltor is this another case of "wfm, lol!"11:06
timeless_mbpthen start dragging, do not release your finger11:06
tybolltoh right11:06
tybolltof course11:06
tybolltif you continously11:06
timeless_mbpactually, any of those pictures in that row seem to work11:06
tybolltI want a plain mouse over w/ releasing the "drag"11:06
tybolltso I can study my options w/ butterfingering my screen11:07
timeless_mbpyou could buy a usb adapter or perhaps a bluetooth mouse11:07
tybolltplease; do not mock me :P11:07
* timeless_mbp wonders if we support bluetooth mice11:07
timeless_mbpso, fwiw11:08
timeless_mbpif you drag in from the left edge of the screen, you can temporarily import the hovering mouse11:08
timeless_mbpand then let go11:08
timeless_mbpwhen you want to use it again, just drag in again from that same point11:09
tybollttimeless_mbp: that's the "select the text" scenario that may invert the text and render it invisible on certain sites11:09
timeless_mbpas long as you never click the pointer and as long as you only are dragging from that left edge11:10
timeless_mbp(starting from "not in a special mode")11:10
tybolltlike in one great swoop11:10
tybolltthat'd make sense11:10
timeless_mbpplease feel free to write a howto or something11:10
timeless_mbpoddly the feature is quite powerful11:10
timeless_mbpand it's only a little bit awkward11:10
tybollttimeless_mbp: do the other browsers have pointer at all?11:11
timeless_mbpit isn't really what i wanted to implement, but it does manage to cover quite a few cases11:11
timeless_mbpiirc chromium on the n900 always has a cursor :)11:11
timeless_mbpiirc fennec on the n900 does not have one at all11:11
timeless_mbpopera showed me a cursor initially11:12
timeless_mbpso i believe it is aware of cursors11:12
tybolltopera is norwegian11:12
tybolltI will not use it :)11:12
timeless_mbpi can't figure out how to interact w/ your menus in opera11:13
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* timeless_mbp tries chromium11:14
timeless_mbpbtw, why would you use such a lame site? :)11:14
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timeless_mbpthe url completion area in chromium is awful on my n90011:21
timeless_mbpi think someone decided to squish each row vertically11:21
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Tachikomadid chroium get any better since it first was released for n900? I did not bother trying it anymore since then11:22
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timeless_mbpand the settings thing manages to pop up its menu on top of the button11:23
hajokay this was silly...11:23
timeless_mbpso on average i mouse down (trigger menu), mouse up (trigger menu item = new tab)11:23
Venemohey guys11:23
Venemodoes this line introduce a memory leak:11:23
Venemogconf_value_get_int(gconf_entry_get_value(gconf_client_get_entry(gconfClient, DESKTOP_GCONF_ENTRY, NULL, true, NULL)));11:23
hajCan someone tell me if it's correct that themes are placed in /opt/maemo/usr/share/themes, and linked to /usr/share/themes ?11:23
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timeless_mbphaj: not sure what you mean11:24
timeless_mbpi have 16 theme entries in /user/share/themes11:25
timeless_mbp2 are symlinks to 2 directories in /opt/maemo/usr/share/themes/11:25
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hajtimeless_mbp: thanks.11:25
timeless_mbpsome have most of their content hosted in /opt w/ other symlinks11:26
timeless_mbpe.g. reflect seems to live in /opt/themes/reflect/11:26
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timeless_mbpnuvofre and matrix have similar homes11:26
hajtimeless_mbp: so /usr/share/themes is a link to /opt/usr/share/themes? Or is it just a folder?11:27
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timeless_mbpthey're all just folders11:27
timeless_mbpor rather, they're all just directories11:27
timeless_mbpfolders are graphical elements, and these are not11:27
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Venemohaj: basically, they should appear in /usr/share/themes11:32
Venemohaj: it is the developers' responsibility to make sure they are there11:32
hajyes.. I figured it out now.. :)11:32
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Venemohaj: optifying them is an extra stuff, a "bonus" that is done by several11:33
hajThe problem is that I for no reason at all (except being silly) had run the script on the device, and I was reverting back.. but the script doesn't work correctly so the themes was missing.11:34
Venemohaj: oh... well, why is it being silly?11:35
Venemohaj: the is a very useful script, I also ran it11:35
hajVenemo: I think it's silly when PR1.2 already have enough free space on rootfs11:36
Venemohaj: you can't have enough space on rootfs :P11:36
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Venemohaj: however, if the unmoveroot is incorrect, you should really contact its author and tell you about your issue - so he can fix it - this will be very helpful for others who also use it11:36
hajVenemo: It is bound to make Maemo slower if stuff is moved off rootfs11:36
Venemohaj: not that much, and not this stuff :)11:36
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hajVenemo: perhaps not... but theres not much to be gained either unless you are running very much out of space.. ;)11:38
Venemohaj: that is true11:38
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timeless_mbpthings you aren't using and aren't likely to be using shouldn't be on the rootfs11:40
timeless_mbpideally all inactive themes would be on the emmc11:40
jacekowskiand non english locales11:41
timeless_mbpand the act of enabling another theme should result in a process to copy over the activated theme11:41
jacekowskiwell not used locales11:41
VenemoI believe the active theme is loaded in the memory, anyway11:41
jacekowskithere is like 30M file with all locales11:41
Venemocorrect me if I'm wrong11:41
hajhm ... for some reason a lot of icons are missing after unmoveroot.sh11:41
timeless_mbpVenemo: not helpful11:42
timeless_mbpfiles on the emmc aren't reachable during system init11:42
timeless_mbpwhich includes the first pass of the SIM Lock11:42
Venemoyes, I know11:42
VenemoI haven't had any problems with it11:42
timeless_mbpwe did, it was iirc one of the delays in pr1.211:43
timeless_mbpbecause it took a long time for people to realize that merely hosting themes on the emmc wasn't safe :(11:43
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Venemotimeless_mbp: huh, are you affiliated with Maemo development?11:43
hajhow does the icons work? are they cached somehow?11:44
timeless_mbpVenemo: if being employed by Nokia to work on it counts, then, I suppose so11:44
* timeless_mbp ponders11:44
timeless_mbpwouldn't it be great if there were some place where you could see who was involved in maemo?11:45
timeless_mbpsomething like ?11:45
timeless_mbpwhere you could then look people up, and see who they are and what they do?11:45
timeless_mbpsomething like ?11:45
timeless_mbpwow, why don't they get right on it?11:46
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timeless_mbpsurely with enough time machine resources they could get it deployed!11:46
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Venemotimeless_mbp: look, I'm sorry, i'm quite new here11:48
timeless_mbpok, take some time and browse maemo.org11:48
timeless_mbpoddly, the people working on it have invested a lot of time to try to help people11:48
timeless_mbpit's a real shame for their work to be ignored11:48
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Venemotimeless_mbp: I don't ignore anyone's work11:48
timeless_mbpand don't get defensive11:49
timeless_mbpyou're likely to make even more embarrassing comments in doing so :)11:49
VenemoI'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you in any way :P11:49
VenemoI just haven't met any of the Maemo developers on IRC yet11:50
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timeless_mbphrm, that you know of :-b11:50
* timeless_mbp isn't quite sure what a maemo developer is11:50
Venemotrue :)11:50
* timeless_mbp would sometimes count luke-jr and hrw perhaps (they were talking earlier)11:51
VenemoI haven't heard about them yet11:51
VenemoI know only a few people from the community11:52
timeless_mbps/yet/so far/11:52
hrwit depends what 'maemo developer' means11:53
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VenemoI meant those people who took part in the creation and development of Maemo11:54
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hrwI wrote app for maemo, hacked few existing ones, know how system works and can alter some things. this can mean 'maemo developer'11:54
hrwVenemo: so you mean Maemo developer from Nokia Maemo team and Nokia contracted companies11:54
timeless_mbpi'm in the credits for 'lsof' and 'lsof' is in Maemo11:55
timeless_mbpis that sufficient? :)11:55
* timeless_mbp has actually made multiple (albeit trivial) contributions to lsof11:55
* Venemo is sorry for being ambiguous11:56
timeless_mbpambiguity is part of English11:56
timeless_mbpthe lesson to learn here is to recognize when people are hinting that you were ambiguous11:56
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timeless_mbpmy hint was "* timeless_mbp isn't quite sure what a maemo developer is"11:57
Venemoyou are right, a "Maemo developer" can mean a person who developped Maemo itself, or a person who develops for the Maemo platform11:57
Venemothe latter also fits me11:57
timeless_mbpsadly, i suck, since i do a bit of everything11:57
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Venemowhat do you mean?11:57
timeless_mbpi work on some upstreams, i work for nokia, and i write some stuff which runs on maemo11:58
Venemonice :)11:58
timeless_mbpwhich means that pretty much no matter which definition you want to pick, i'm probably matched11:58
timeless_mbpbut that doesn't help people understand what you mean11:58
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timeless_mbpit does mean "you got me"11:58
timeless_mbphi, :)11:58
* timeless_mbp gets an over the air update11:59
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Venemowhat sort of update?12:00
lbt_Venemo: you're new and you met timeless_mbp.... oooh....12:00
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Venemotimeless_mbp: I know what an OTA update is...12:01
Venemotimeless_mbp: I just thought that the last one was 1.2 and it arrived two weeks ago12:01
nidOas the page timeless linked to states, software installed to the device gets updated ota too12:02
Venemouh, okay12:02
VenemoI already know that, too12:02
VenemoI just thought he meant a fw update12:03
timeless_mbpVenemo: yes, the last publicly delivered update was 1.212:03
timeless_mbpbut we've already established that i work for Nokia..12:03
psycho_oreosis it just me or has the location for deb packages under pr1.2 being relocated to somewhere secretive? or being deleted on the spot12:03
timeless_mbppsycho_oreos: eh?12:03
psycho_oreostimeless_mbp, I know the downloaded deb packages (including updates) usually goes into /var/cache/apt/archives. Since pr1.2, all the updates that I went through with application manager seems to delete those downloaded packages as soon as the said programs needs updating12:05
psycho_oreosalmost like as if I were to download packages from ovi store which usually marks those packages as user/hidden12:05
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* timeless_mbp doesn't think ham ever used /var/cache/apt/archives12:05
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psycho_oreosham? as in hamattan or something like that?12:06
infobotsomebody said ham was oink oink.  Hildon Application Manager.  Hazardous Application Manager.  Hildon application Manager  Ham is also lovely with pickle.12:06
psycho_oreoshmm bummer lol so it seems like I should've gone through updating using apt-get afterall oh well, thanks12:07
timeless_mbpit uses /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache i believe12:07
timeless_mbpfwiw, i'd like to retract my comment about recalling seeing a cursor in chromium12:08
timeless_mbpi can't find one12:08
psycho_oreosI did a system-wide search for deb files and trying to go through the list manually to see where it could have reside but none of the newly downloaded apps were visible apart from the location I initially indicated and other personally created directories12:08
* psycho_oreos will dig deeper again12:09
psycho_oreosthanks timeless_mbp will look into it12:09
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psycho_oreoshmm its blank, looks like its being deleted as soon as the packages are being installed12:10
infobotpsycho_oreos meant: hmm its empty, looks like its being deleted as soon as the packages are being installed12:11
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* timeless_mbp didn't say it was a particularly persistent cache ;-b12:13
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psycho_oreosI suppose that's probably how ham handles packages :) meaning that in the future I'll just have to go through the old fashioned method12:15
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psycho_oreosnow I have a stupid question, packages made for diablo are definitely incompatible with fremantle right? :) trying to get privoxy but am lazy to do it all in scratchbox12:19
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alteregoNeed four more karma for my app13:01
alteregoWho wants to do some testing? :)13:01
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Surfawhat app13:03
hrwalterego: what exactly does it do?13:06
hrwah.. nowplaying status plugin13:06
alteregoIt updates your IM accounts status messages to reflect the song you're listening to on the media player.13:06
hrwsorry, no testing from me. I use on desktop13:07
alteregoAnd that stops you from testing?13:07
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alteregoWhere's your community support! :P13:07
hrwalterego: who said that I support community?13:07
alteregotimeless_mbp: yeah, that's probably better :)13:08
alteregohrw: do you actually have anything better to do right now?13:08
alteregoI think they should update package karma weights.13:08
alteregoSo the more experienced the community member the more karma points they give a pacage.13:09
alteregoWould solve my problem :P13:09
hrwalterego: yes. merging normal and cross rules in ubuntu gcc-4.5 packaging13:09
timeless_mbpoh, that sounds like fun13:10
eitamaHello everybody! Doesn't anyone know how to adapt this example : into letting me get ALL phoneNumbers of a contact?13:10
alteregohrw: boring .. Test and vote for my package :P13:10
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alteregoOr just vote .. It has been tested through the kazoo.13:11
alteregoPlus, you get extra karma for it ..13:11
alteregoI was kind of disappointed I missed that MeeGo wiki page :(13:12
hrwalterego: I tend to gather karma by insulting nokia on my blog13:12
alteregoI woke up at seven to, I thought, hrm, I could check, but didn't and just fell asleep again.13:13
alteregohrw: well, that's hardly productive is it :P13:13
timeless_mbpwhich meego wiki page?13:13
alteregoQuim deleted it shortly after the t.m.o post about it.l13:14
alteregoSounded like some leaked handheld UX pictures and page13:14
alteregoReggie found it on the wiki13:14
hrwalterego: no pictures13:14
alteregoOh, no pictures?13:15
alteregoBoring, don't mind anymore :)13:15
timeless_mbpeinval: presumably it depends on what kind of object 'a' is13:15
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timeless_mbpthe page is still in gcache13:16
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timeless_mbpooh, meego is great because it does mult-tasking13:17
timeless_mbpdoes that mean symbian is great? :)13:17
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alteregoThat is a lot of text ...13:17
alteregoAnd no pictures :( :D13:18
hrwtimeless_mbp: symbian is even more great13:18
alteregotimeless_mbp: do you fancy voting/testing my package?13:18
timeless_mbpis that because it can multi-multi-task? :)13:18
alteregoI need 4 more!13:19
timeless_mbpalterego: give me the necessary accounts, and sure13:19
tybolltalterego: ?13:19
alteregotimeless_mbp: you mean IM accounts? :P13:19
tybolltalterego: there was a wiki leaked that is on the official site and all and quim deleted the post?13:19
* tybollt confused now13:19
alteregotybollt: yes, that's what appeared to happen.13:19
tybolltalterego: if the page is readily available on then why can't we look at it?13:20
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alteregotybollt: it was a page on the wiki, that Quim deleted this morning after someone put it up.13:20
alteregoProbably by mistake.13:20
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alteregoHe put a cheaky comment: "Waiting for Handheld UX Day 1" or something.13:22
alteregoCheaky man.13:22
alterego~cheeky ..13:22
alteregoI've not had a coffee yet :)13:22
* timeless_mbp grumbles13:22
timeless_mbpdoes 'appdownloader' not support testing?13:22
alteregoNot sure, but I was going to look into helping that project today, but I'm not sure I'm going to have the time.13:23
timeless_mbpalterego: category 'devel'??13:23
alteregotimeless_mbp: multimedia13:23
timeless_mbpalterego: ham claims it's devel13:24
alteregoErm, it's in extras-devel and in extras-testing13:24
alteregoIt should be under multimedia in HAM on both13:24
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timeless_mbpyou're right13:26
timeless_mbpit's Catalog, not Category13:26
timeless_mbpthat's confusing13:26
alteregoNeat, Zenbound is in ovi store13:26
alterego4 quid, hrm ... :)13:27
alteregoI think I will buy it13:27
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timeless_mbpalterego: please fix the first line of your description13:28
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timeless_mbpit shouldn't be a sentence13:28
alteregoWhat should it be?13:28
timeless_mbpsome sort of phrase :)13:29
alteregoI don't see anything wrong with it ..13:29
timeless_mbpmdbus2 and NeHeGLES have proper first line descriptions13:30
alteregoIs there something specific in the QA docs that say anything about that? :P13:30
timeless_mbpalterego: it's from debian packaging rules13:30
alteregomaemo is different13:30
alteregoWe use that line to have a formative description of the package.13:30
alteregoIn HAM13:30
eitamaCan anyone explain the 3rd argument for me in this method : ? QList<QContactDetail> QContact::details ( const QString & definitionName, const QString & fieldName, const QString & value ) const13:30
timeless_mbplook at media in ham13:30
timeless_mbpmost of the items that aren't lame (canola addins are lame) don't use sentences for the first line13:31
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alteregoWell, what would you suggest I put there instead?13:31
alteregoAnd after the effort it's taken me to get just 6 votes ..13:31
alteregoI can't be f*cked to start all over again :(13:31
alteregoJust for a bloody description line :P13:31
alteregoIs it just the punctuation you have issue with?13:33
timeless_mbp(and add the word 'the' before current)13:33
alteregoYou're going to do me for grammer, you bloody pedant :P13:34
timeless_mbpyou know who i am13:34
alteregoIt's just a friggin' description!13:34
alteregoHeh, it plays it's purpose.13:34
alteregoIt's not confusing13:34
timeless_mbp"Use current song for IM status message"13:34
timeless_mbpis what I'd suggest13:34
alteregoNoted, I'll add it to 0.313:34
alteregonow vote for 0.2 :P13:34
timeless_mbphow do i use it? :)13:35
alteregoYou install it, then you go into the Settings app and in the bottom section you'll see the configuration UI13:35
timeless_mbp"via" is wrong13:35
timeless_mbp"on my" is better13:35
alteregoGood job you can change it :P13:36
alteregoAnd what if it isn't mine? :P13:36
timeless_mbpyou're listening to music on someone else's n900?13:36
timeless_mbpyou could use "@n900" instead of "on my Nokia N900"13:37
alterego"Use current song/artist for IM status message"13:37
alteregoThat better?13:37
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alteregoOkay, that's in 0.3 :)13:37
alteregoAnd in the changelog: "* Updated description line for timeless"13:38
pexi"Tweet and spam facebook lyrics of the current song and artist bio cause people are so interested"13:39
alteregopexi: doesn't do that.13:39
timeless_mbp> Listening to "Closer To Where You Want Me" by "Chad Gendason" on my Nokia N90013:39
timeless_mbpthe music is cr*p13:39
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alteregopexi: in version 0.4 I was thinking of adding a "get video from youtube and publish on facebook" button.13:40
alteregoSo if you really like a song you can do that.13:40
alteregoBut it doesn't update facebook status messages.13:40
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alteregoOooo, buying my first ovi app :)13:44
timeless_mbpdemand a refund!13:44
kW_alterego: uuh, did you use just free software before that? :-)13:45
alteregoThere was nothing particularly interesting.13:45
alteregoI'll probably buy the angry birds level pack too later.13:45
alteregoIf I can be assed.13:45
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alteregoWhen I can convince myself to do it.13:47
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alteregoErm,  it's not done anything :(13:49
alteregoIt's said I've "downloaded" it, but, well, I haven't.13:49
alteregowtf ..13:49
alteregoconfusing ...13:50
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FIQNew firmware available?13:51
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FIQGot SMS from Nokia stating that, but it felt strange update came THAT fast13:52
ian_rstskeeps: i tried out the latest hildon-theme-example-stskeeps, and it looks like it's missing the new pr1.2 keyboard and some other stuff. i also tried forking D-Iivil's d-theme-night with the try_it_out script (it has the new pr1.2 stuff) and that worked fine.13:53
FIQnope, no upgrade13:53
satmdsounds phishy to me13:53
alteregoThankyou timeless :)13:55
alteregoOh, it downloads in the background through the browser ..13:58
alteregoInteresting ..13:58
alteregoAnyhow, shower time.13:58
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HtheBhappy ending!14:15
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crashanddiesatmd: there's been a few threads on TMO regarding htis14:24
crashanddiesatmd: loads of people have received the texts, but there is no new update. It would appear this is a mass SMS'ing to warn the public at large that PR1.2 is availab.e14:25
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* crashanddie starts dancing while listening to Foals - Olympic Airways14:28
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crashanddiewhat's up Jaffa?14:29
* SpeedEvil starts dancing while listening to "BBC - More Or Less'.14:30
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alteregotimeless: your karma is pretty low for an old timer.14:33
alteregoNot that I can say much .. Mine's lower :P14:33
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Jaffacrashanddie: Dealing with communication and "community" issues :-/14:38
JaffaOh, he's gone14:38
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achipaJaffa: he's dancing by himself14:39
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crashanddiealterego: but you're not an old timer14:45
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tybolltdefine oldtimer crashie14:45
crashanddiemore than 3 or 4 years within Maemo?14:46
alteregocrashanddie: yeah14:46
crashanddieusing the 770, and sticking with the NITs ever since?14:46
alteregoBeen here since about 200614:46
crashanddieoh really?14:46
alteregoI have one of every tablet14:46
alteregoSure, I've been here for ages.14:46
crashanddieI thought you were n8x0 generation.14:46
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alteregoNo, I had a 77014:46
* tybollt fights the pressing urge to YARLY!11 :)14:46
alteregoAnd I was here before I made the choice of getting one :P14:46
alteregoI was using the SDK waaaaaay before I got the device.14:47
crashanddieaye, ditto14:47
* tybollt slaps MohammadAG51 w/ frals14:47
crashanddiewell, I cheated, school bought me an n800, then I bought an n810.14:47
alteregoAdmittedly, I'm not sure when I first logged into IRC though.14:47
MohammadAG51tybollt, grr, now I have to shower, again14:48
alteregoI've always generally been more on here than on the community site.14:48
crashanddiethere's a community site?14:48
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alteregoAnd I never really did anything on ITT, I've only recently been posting regularly on t.m.o14:48
tybolltMohammadAG51: Do you believe netanyahu's latest?14:49
MohammadAG51I'm not really into politics, what about him14:49
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tybollttalk about lifting some of the blockade against gaza, but meh...14:50
pupnik##politics is full of talk about it14:50
pigeonwhat's a way to see why an app isn't launcher via the launcher (but it runs fine from the terminal)?14:50
crashanddiebest TMO post ever:
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MohammadAG51pigeon, try to guess? :P, seriously, pastebin the desktop file14:51
alteregoSo, what do people think about having testing karma weighted to the voters karma score? I think people with more community experience should be worth more when it comes to testing.14:51
pupnikpigeon: i would extract that app's .deb archive and look whether it has a desktop file14:51
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alteregoIt's been a pain getting 10 people to vote for my package, and I still need more :(14:51
pupnikcrashanddie: ++14:51
MohammadAG51lol crashanddie14:51
alteregoI need 3 more votes.14:51
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MohammadAG51you're not getting them, haha14:52
pigeonit's mobilehotspot if you have it, but otherwise:
* MohammadAG51 votes down14:52
MohammadAG51now you need 414:52
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MohammadAG51idk, take out the stuff after /usr/bin/mobilehostpot14:53
SpeedEvilalterego: I specifically think people in the range of 300-400 should have a weight of 10 times others. :)14:53
MohammadAG51and /usr/bin is in a user's path, you can take that out too14:53
alteregoSpeedEvil: 2x would have got me into extras by now :P14:54
pupnikcommercial websites suck, because they rely on keeping your eyes away from the information you are looking-for14:54
* SpeedEvil should do more testing, but only got round to a couple of packages yesterday. Going through all the interface, and doing powertop, et al is a bit timeonsuming.14:54
alteregoIs it worth a brainstorm?14:54
SpeedEvilalterego: what package?14:55
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alteregoI might make a irssi command binding for that :)14:55
crashanddiepupnik: ##politics is a heap of shit14:56
SpeedEvilAfter this operation, 17.6MB of additional disk space will be used.14:56
SpeedEviloh - pyside14:56
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alteregoYeah, the actual package is tiny ;)14:56
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, who uses HAM!14:56
SpeedEvilNo, it's really not, if most people don't have pyside14:56
pigeonMohammadAG51: doesn't help14:57
alteregoWell, all my stuff is going to be based on PySide14:57
* SpeedEvil stabs all 'but the actual package is tiny' people.14:57
alteregoSo, consider it an investment ...14:57
pigeonit was working before, but at some point it broke...14:57
MohammadAG51pigeon, i'd be surprised if hildon-desktop outputs errors, but you could kill hildon-desktop and start it from terminal14:58
MohammadAG51apt-get --reinstall install mobilehostpot then14:58
crashanddiepigeon: never use that line during a car sale14:58
alteregoAnyone installed zenwrap?14:58
alteregoQuite fun :)14:58
MohammadAG51zen bound?14:58
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pigeoncrashanddie: ;)14:58
alteregoMohammadAG51: yeah, that one.14:58
arachnistis there any way to disable "automatic sync of package manager repos after connecting to internet" on the n900?14:58
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Venemoarachnist, yes it is14:58
tybolltMohammadAG51: o_O mobilehotspot? this what I think it is? o_O14:58
* SpeedEvil points to arachnists question.14:58
MohammadAG51alterego, yeah, the music's better than the game at some points :P14:58
MohammadAG51tybollt, it's been there for ages14:59
alteregoI like how it says "Made for headphones" at the beginning :)14:59
arachnistVenemo: other than removing, for example, /usr/libexec/apt-worker?14:59
pupnikcrashanddie: politics is also a heap of shit ;)14:59
Venemoalterego: btw, I voted for your package :P14:59
MohammadAG51alterego, cause it sounds better in headphones14:59
* MohammadAG51 votes it down14:59
alteregoVenemo: I know, thank you :)14:59
alteregoMohammadAG51: unless you've got a load of accounts, voting it down will only work once :P14:59
pigeontybollt: what do you think it is? ;)15:00
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MohammadAG51i haz friendz15:00
alteregoVenemo: how is your project going? Did my idea help you?15:00
crashanddieGeneralAntilles: you know how people use the world "surreal" when things are really, not?15:00
Venemoalterego: it did help, a lot!15:00
pigeonMohammadAG51: wicked, reinstalling fixes it...15:00
alteregoVenemo: sweet15:00
Venemoalterego: yesterday I couldn't finish it, but now I'm working on creating a workable application :)15:00
crashanddieI think this nearly qualifies as "surreal": "A German student created a major traffic jam in Bavaria after making a rude gesture at a group of Hell's Angels motorcycle gang members, hurling a puppy at them and then escaping on a stolen bulldozer."15:00
arachnistVenemo: thanks15:00
pigeonhmm, its postinst does two things, gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor and update-sudoers15:01
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alteregoVenemo: well, that's good. I saw the problem has been ongoing for a few days for you before yesterday :D15:01
Venemoarachnist: look at the bottom of the page15:01
pigeonMohammadAG51: anyway, thanks.15:01
arachnistVenemo: yeah, there's "contents" on top15:01
Venemoalterego: indeed, but yesterday and the day before that I was mostly distracted by the new Qt Creator...15:01
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MohammadAG51pigeon, update-sudoers is there to update well, sudoers, i.e it's running something with sudo15:02
Venemoalterego: I found a few bugs in it that prevented me from even running my app15:02
MohammadAG51the other script is empty since 1.115:02
alteregoVenemo: Yeah, you said. Do you ever get the problem when after running a program, doesn't matter on the target, you can no longer edit your source?15:02
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MohammadAG51pigeon, compare desktop file15:03
Venemoalterego: after re-enabling the packaging step, no15:03
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Venemoalterego: however, there was also a problem with that one, but I was fortunate enough to solve it :)15:04
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alteregoVenemo: this is a problem I've had with all versions of Qt Creator, even when developing for desktop, so no packaging at all anyway.15:04
alteregoVenemo: as soon as I run the app, 1/20 times the editor wont be working afterwards.15:05
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alteregoSometimes you can coax it back into life by doing another build, or re-running the program.15:05
alteregoBut otherwise, it's really bloody annoying :)15:05
Venemoalterego: interesting, for me it has always worked15:05
alteregoVenemo: what OS?15:05
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Venemoalterego: Windows 715:05
pigeonMohammadAG51: interesting. now there are a lot less stuff in the desktop file15:05
pigeonall those X- are gone for instance...15:06
midas__hey, did anyone else got a text that a new update was available?15:06
Venemoalterego: but I'm quite new to Qt -> perhaps beginner's luck?15:06
alteregoHrm, yeah, I imagine it has something to do with ubuntu 64bit15:06
alteregoVenemo: possibly. :)15:06
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Venemoalterego: :)15:06
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MohammadAG51timeless_mbp, fix your loadfile, you should have a changed host before you join the channel15:06
alteregoI still reckon it's 64bit ubuntu/linux that it has issues with. I should probably ask #qtcreator or whatever.15:06
Venemoalterego: yeah15:07
Venemoalterego: btw, the Qt Creator guys have been very helpful15:07
MohammadAG51lol @ suggestion for a "Comes with pr0n" capaign15:08
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timeless_mbpMohammadAG51:  ??15:13
pupnik"What's the problem in Nokia!? People is not working as a team!!" thread is full of sh**15:15
Stskeepspeople are doing nothing but working as a team, heh15:15
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HtheBsomething is stinking15:17
HtheBvery badly15:17
HtheBdid u fart pupnik !?15:18
HtheBAnyone played Zen Bound?15:18
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HtheBWhen do we get an Analog clock as a widget? :p15:19
ManoftheSeawhen you program it.15:20
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alteregocairo clock has been around for a while.15:20
HtheBcairo clock15:20
HtheBfor N900?15:20
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alteregoI believe so15:21
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HtheBseems like its for N81015:22
andre41what about nclock?15:23
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alteregoSpeedEvil: you testing my app?15:30
MohammadAGwhy oh why does my scratchbox install break on each reboot15:31
SpeedEvilI am lubricating my chainsaw.15:31
alteregoHeh, is it your sysctl settings? :P15:31
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MohammadAGalterego, I have to reinstall the scratchbox* debs again15:31
MohammadAGIt says something similar to cannot run C compiled programs15:32
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SpeedEvil - trying to make this hedge sane15:32
alteregoErm, hmmmm ...15:32
lcukSpeedEvil, nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure15:32
deegee__SpeedEvil: flamethrower?15:33
MohammadAGthrow bric.... err N900s at it!15:33
MohammadAGyay, I broke it even more ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up!15:33
Tachikomathere is this really great stuff from monsanto15:33
Tachikomai think its called "rounup"15:34
alteregoMohammadAG: just don't reboot :P15:34
MohammadAGalterego, you do realize all your email/skype addresses/names are in the screenshot right? :P15:34
Tachikomathat nukes everything green15:34
pupnikSpeedEvil has a real cool house/project15:34
alteregoMohammadAG: indeed, but I don't really care :P15:34
Tachikomajust spray it on and planbt a new hedge after a week15:34
SpeedEvilTachikoma: It's ~100 years old - the hedge15:34
SpeedEvilTachikoma: The beech trees it is comprised of have trunks 12" in diameter15:35
Tachikomawill not help against roundup :)15:35
MohammadAGThis'll be one PITA, and it prolly won't work, but.. downloading nautilus source15:35
alteregoI tried doing it once, a lot of gnome deps.15:35
an0therb0xcan anyone help with this issue.... I am no longer able to play clips i record with my n900 when plug to my tv with the component cables.. but clips and movies i transferred to the device including the "9" preview will play on my tv but not the ones i recorded with the n900....very strange15:36
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lcukan0therb0x, do they play on the regular screen15:37
HtheBandre41, nclock is not a widget15:37
an0therb0xlcuk: everything plays on the regular screen... yes15:37
andre41HtheB, grrr, when the author should change his/her package description. sorry :-/15:37
lcukand what happens when you have tvout regularly - around the desktop etc15:37
TachikomaSpeedEvil: the poison works by stopping the photosynthesis to work, not the best thing for most of the plants ....15:39
an0therb0xlcuk: my recorded clips will  play on the n900 screen but do not show on the tv, maybe its a pal/ntsc thing .. maybe15:39
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lcukan0therb0x, like i said, just on the regular dashboard, not trying to play movies does tvout show correctly15:40
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an0therb0xlcuk: tv out shows correctly15:41
lcukok, so its not a pal/ntsc thing..15:41
lcuknow with tvout running if you start a movie15:41
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lcukwhat happens15:41
lcukdoes it turn black15:41
lcukor does it continue showing regular desktop ui15:41
an0therb0xlcuk:  yes it turns black when playing my recorded clips15:42
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lcukan0therb0x, and at the same time thats black, the main n900 is showing the clip correctly15:43
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an0therb0xlcuk: correct the clip its displayed on the device15:44
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lcukit *sounds* like the yuv overlay is opening, but the movie is then being played back on regular rgb still15:44
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an0therb0xlcuk: you lost me there15:46
lcukan0therb0x, the n900 can show 2 types of data to the tv out15:47
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lcukthe regular desktop rgb x11 windows, or the yuv overlay15:47
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alteregoWow, do people actually still use ICQ15:48
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vldcnst any idea what could be causing the battery to discharge this fast? stock fresh pr1.2, two months old batt15:49
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vldcnstand that was normal to high usage, but i think the battery discharges faster than normal15:50
Tachikomaalterego: quite a lot15:50
an0therb0xlcuk: i noticed this after the firmware update... but it may not be related15:50
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lcukan0therb0x, it does sound odd15:53
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Stskeepsfor the Hildon coders interested in MeeGo:
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alteregoI think I might keep a copy of this zen bound .deb, just in case.15:58
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MohammadAGalterego, don't give it out, seriously, don't :)15:58
alteregoI wasn't planning on it.15:58
MohammadAGalterego, till the ovi store gains momentum at least15:58
alteregoBut if there's a download limit on ovi store.15:58
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alteregoI don't want to accidentally exceed that by continually downloading it :P15:59
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DaveR53I wonder if that download limit is for the life of the account or for a week or something15:59
GAN900Ovi? Momentum?16:00
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DaveR53MicroB didn't tell me it was downloading, so I clicked download again and when I looked in the download manager it was downloading twice16:01
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DaveR53Very good game though16:02
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SpeedEvilvldcnst: powrtop16:03
MohammadAG<GAN900> Ovi? Momentum?16:06
MohammadAG<GAN900> Funny16:06
MohammadAGI always wanted to be a comedian16:06
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Surfawell, ovi store has huge momentum in certain markets16:10
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tybolltSurfa: it has all of twenty downloads so far?16:15
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Surfatybollt, well, there are people living outside western countries if you haven't noticed16:15
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Surfayour comments looked that you didn't know :P16:16
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pigeonoh... i see some new app on ovi16:16
chem|stthere are countries in the east? thought its just some people with mulees16:16
chem|stand china...16:17
pupnikis there a quick way to just see replies to my messages on t.m.o?16:17
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marmoutechem|st: you forget the one with the bomb and the one who invented your donner kebab (als integrations factor)16:18
pigeonah, zen boundit16:19
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chem|stpupnik: at your profile it lists how many replies a thread has only16:20
chem|stmarmoute: döner kebab was invented in germany16:20
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marmoutechem|st: I know but by turkish worker.16:21
chem|stthe one with the bomb? russia?16:21
pupnikchem|st: that is a very nice piece of trivia16:23
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DigitalPioneerGAN900: could you kick quim for keeping people alert for >10 days - for nothing >:-(16:26
alteregoDigitalPioneer: why have you been alert for 10 days? :P16:26
pupnikwhat does 'on alert' mean16:27
alteregoYeah, that too.16:28
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alteregoVote for my app16:28
* MohammadAG51 kickbans alterego 16:28
alteregoI just need 3 more!>">!?!??!"£16:28
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alteregoI wonder how successful zenbound will be, at 4GBP a pop, that's quite cool.16:29
alteregoRight, I'm off, see you all later.16:30
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chem|stI wonder when meego will become open-source16:30
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chem|stcrap the other way round I mean16:31
DocScrutinizer2GAN900: it's incredibly hard to ask all the neighbours to help catching a DHL package delivery, day for day for day. Probably the value of that package reaches break even with the value of all the favours I owe my neighbours very soon16:33
ManoftheSeacan't you leave a sign on the door, "Please ring neighbor's bell"?16:35
ManoftheSeaIf you need a signature, they can't release it there anyway, right?16:35
DocScrutinizer2GAN900: and they already intercepted one delivery addressed to my landlord :-P16:35
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GAN900DocScrutinizer2, yeah, I dunno what's up. . ..16:36
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DocScrutinizer2chem|st: open source becomes MeEgo?16:39
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* eitama wave16:43
* eitama waves16:43
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* MohammadAG waves back16:43
eitamaMy app is working!!!16:43
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MohammadAGwith calls?16:44
eitamaOnly gsm calls16:44
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eitamafor now16:44
eitamaI will add skype and gmail16:44
eitamaand also only english or numeric contacts16:44
MohammadAGwithout dbus?16:44
eitamawith (:16:44
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eitamabut using QtDbus16:44
* eitama Hides in plain sight16:44
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DocScrutinizer2eitama: gtk theme?16:45
tybolltDocScrutinizer2: DHL? Aka "we'll be there precisely at ANYTIME between 08:00-17:00 hours16:45
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* tybollt long since gave up on that shit16:46
MohammadAGOh god, E3 is 936 + 1458 + 1382 MBs16:46
DocScrutinizer2tybollt: yep. even worse I got no idea about any tracking number or anything16:46
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MohammadAG(3 parts)16:46
tybolltI just tell them I'll pick up the package at their HUB16:46
tybolltdoc: Oh then you're in for a PITA I suppose :)16:46
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eitamaAnyone knows how to package an app and upload to garage/extras-devel from Qt SDK in windows? and wants to save me some time?16:46
eitamaBy explaining it to me ofc (:16:46
DocScrutinizer2tybm gilollt: yep, thanks qui16:47
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DocScrutinizer2tybollt: yes, thanks quim gil16:47
tybolltam I now ... tybLOLt? :)16:47
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tybolltDocScrutinizer2: he sending you a new device I suppose? :)16:47
DocScrutinizer2I'm told he did16:47
dnearyThere was a funny Maemo bug today16:48
DocScrutinizer2dunno if that holds true16:48
dnearyA guy reported a bug against the chess program for doing an illegal move.16:48
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dnearyThe sequence was 1. D2-D4 E4xD316:48
dnearySo I pointed him to en passant16:49
dnearytybollt, ?16:49
DocScrutinizer2s/faulty/new/ :-P16:50
DocScrutinizer2(new obviously only to the reporter)16:51
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TriztN900dneary; do you have a link?16:53
dnearyto the bug, or to an explanation of en passant?16:54
TriztN900to the bug16:54
povbotBug 10694: Invalid move: After initial two-square move, pawn beaten on square in-between16:54
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lcukdneary, im surprised no1 has discovered a real bug with maemo chess yet :p16:55
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dnearylcuk, It's not like it's a new game with ill-understood rules...16:56
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lcukdneary, tell that to my missus16:56
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pupniki didn't remember en passant existed16:57
TriztN900how many do really play chess?16:58
dnearyTriztN900, Used to... never was any good16:58
dnearyTriztN900, Now I prefer Go16:58
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* TriztN900 nods16:58
DocScrutinizer2GAN900: tybollt: (DHL, PITA) yes, it probably would have been much less hostile to send me a couple of hooligans to run over me and my flat, than to announce a DHL shipment that obviously is a mere make up16:58
lcukTriztN900, \o16:59
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DocScrutinizer2Nokia's revenge, as they couldn't get me with PR1.2 :-P17:00
DrGrovHello, gotta ask one little thing. I have been reading this blog article,
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DrGrovAnd I wonder that does every N900 with PR 1.2 get automatically the MyNokia service? Does the MyNokia service have to be activated somehow by registering or?17:01
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DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: see
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: thanks. i surely hope Nokia does not have any bullshit going on this time around17:02
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I am reading that one, the link is the same :) lol17:03
povbotBug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user17:03
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: thanks. reading17:03
crashanddielcuk: how many cookies do I get from qgil if I send him this: ?17:03
DocScrutinizer2crashanddie: ??17:04
crashanddieDocScrutinizer2: I just wrote a simple chess board in javascript17:05
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: thanks for the links. how does that really affect the use of the N900? I have never got any type of MyNokia message or such never.17:05
VenemoDrGrov: it is mostly a privacy issue17:05
DrGrovVenemo: ok, i see.17:05
DrGrovAny Finnish users got that MyNokia thing as well popping up?17:06
VenemoDrGrov: some people are concerned about what would happen if Noki would know their phone number17:06
DrGrovI have no memory of ever seeing it popping up with the PR 1.2 update17:06
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DrGrovVenemo: Ah, so they could use it illegally?17:06
crashanddieanyone here into chess?17:07
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DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: I consider them knowing my number is illegal, and sending me SMS on arbitrary time of day is maximum annoying17:08
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: yes, they should not know your private number or any number what so ever. agreed with you on that. how can I check if the service is turned on without actually activating the bloody thing?17:09
VenemoDrGrov: settings / my nokia17:09
VenemoDrGrov: and it can be disabled17:09
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah, so the buggers keep sending SMS message throughout the day?17:09
crashanddieor more specifically: I want people to join me working on something: an online chess service that uses whichever front-end you want. No account creation. Set-up a new game in one click, send it to a friend, start playing. Use the same link in your N900 chess application. Move your pieces through twitter.17:09
DocScrutinizer2won't work, don't touch hat17:09
VenemoDrGrov: they haven't sent me anything yet17:09
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah, so I should not go and touch the damn mynokia?17:09
DrGrovVenemo: you have not either got any SMS? I will give Nokia Health Care a angry god damn call tomorrow17:10
DrGrovMark my word, they will hear about this17:10
DocScrutinizer2Venemo: DrGrov seems only way to check is to visit the MyNokia website and there your profile17:10
VenemoDrGrov: no, not really.17:10
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah, so if I do not keep getting SMS messages it most likely is not turned on?17:11
VenemoDrGrov: I had my nokia back on my old N95, and they hardly ever sent any SMSes for that, either17:11
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DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: yep17:11
Venemonah guys, brb17:11
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DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: and trying to turn off will send (another) SMS and so reveal all detail that has been kept undisclosed so far17:12
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: perhaps a private secret phone number that most people have disables this?17:12
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah, so I should really not touch the bloody MyNokia then?17:12
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DocScrutinizer2nope, never ever17:12
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: sorry, was not following you there. so if I do not get SMS messages from MyNokia the service is shut off?17:13
DocScrutinizer2you might have missed or they didn't send the welcome msg17:13
GAN900DocScrutinizer2, just fired off another email. We'll see. . . .17:13
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: I have never ever missed a SMS.17:13
DocScrutinizer2GAN900: thanks, mate17:13
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah so they could actually not even send a welcome msg?17:14
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DocScrutinizer2maybe, nobody knows for sure17:14
DocScrutinizer2 holds most exact detail I guess17:15
povbotBug 10366: MyNokia SMS sent after update without any action from the user17:15
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ok. You got a hidden number from address books online etc.? so no one can ask for your name and find your number?17:15
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: so it is due to the update itself the MyNokia message is being sent?17:15
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: I got myself a hidden number as well.17:15
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: and so far I get zero spam SMS17:16
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: I know I would have seen it with the PR 1.2 update the welcome message but no...17:16
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah, so perhaps it might be connected in a way to just pick unhidden numbers? Perhaps not though...17:16
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: so even if you don't get spam SMS there is a chance it is still active?17:17
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: it becomes active even though you never use MyNokia nor see the MyNokia screen nor get a welcome message? Sorry for my dumb questions...17:17
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: if you have a means to get a listing of sent SMS from your carrier, you might be sure about any SMS sent to one of the numbers listed in
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: I can get a listing of sent SMS from my carrier. The price I gotta pay though is a bit high... :/17:18
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: If the message is sent it does not leave a message log on the device?17:19
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: then your next best bet is to visit the MyNokia website and check your profile17:19
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah okay, i am checking MyNokia now as we speak.17:19
DocScrutinizer2NEVER touch the MyNokia thing in settings17:19
Surfaworld will come to an end if you do that17:20
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TriztN900I never understood what it is, what is mynokia?17:20
DocScrutinizer2no, it will just send SMS on your behalf and bill, to unknown destination with unknown content17:20
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: I am now checking the Finnish version of My Nokia but I am now 1100% percent sure I have never registered for My Nokia.17:20
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: the Ovi Store is different from My Nokia, correctly?17:21
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DocScrutinizer2I guess it is a separate thing17:21
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ok, good. Now I can be 11011% sure never I registered for My Nokia since I never register my phone number anywhere on the Internet nor anywhere else either.17:22
Tachikomamynokia is that service that sends me all these sms that tell me that ovi ahs new and great content or that there is a new firmware available (the ovi store did not conatin anything new and of course there also was no update) that should only go to symbian users?17:22
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: and I predict that since I never got any type of My Nokia message nor 11010% registered I perhaps am safe.17:22
Myrttioh crikey.17:23
DrGrovTachikoma: ah, so my nokia is sending you also about updates?17:23
nidOnonexistant updates, yes17:23
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Myrttion Android channel there is a General_Crespin. GeneralAntilles, is he a relative of yours ;-)17:23
DrGrovTachikoma: I think it is more directed for Symbian users the firmware updates.17:23
Myrttiaw. bah17:24
DrGrovif Nokia even remotely is thinking about sending me some spam SMS I will make sure they know about it before....17:24
TachikomaDrGrov: yes, got two sms already telling me there would be a new update and points me to the webpage17:24
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TachikomaAll i saw there was a 34mb or so .exe file that i would not touch17:24
DrGrovTachikoma: what webpage does it point you to? what type of update, firmware?17:25
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TachikomaAs said, I think this was for symbian mobiles (as they all weree listed there) i just wonder how hard it must be to filter the sms by OS ...17:25
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: did you register yourself with your phone number for My Nokia or checked the status on My Nokia?17:26
TachikomaDrGrov: no details, just a exe file and the request to downlaod that and updgrade. Which totally would look like a bad attemt to install malwere if i would not have been the real nokia webpage17:26
TachikomaDrGrov: i registered with the pr1.2 update, there was no way to continue booting without registering17:26
DrGrovTachikoma: ah, yes. a serious attempt of installing malware. and strangely a .exe file... this happened on the N900?17:26
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: I never registered actively for MyNokia17:26
TachikomaDocScrutinizer2: I'm just saying, if the website would not have been really nokia which i checked I would have informed the police17:27
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: okay, just curious. I will keep my sticky fingers away from MyNokia then and not even check my status.17:27
Tachikomayes, happened on n90017:27
DrGrovTachikoma: ah, so you could not boot your phone without accepting the MyNokia?17:27
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DrGrovSo, let me get this straight now. The MyNokia thing comes at the same time the update is being done or after booting up the device after the PR 1.2 has finished installing?17:28
TachikomaIt's not that I would have expected anything else from Nokia after all my experience with nokia/n900. I'm not complaining as i don;t really care about a companies PR, I just have to giggle now and then and wonder what these guys are doing17:28
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DrGrovTachikoma: they seem to be getting desperate.... lol17:29
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TachikomaDrGrov: with PR1.2 firstboot you get a license displayed that you have to agree which includes the creation of a mynokia account. At least for me in germany here. Then I get a bunch of totally useless mails from nokia that are not even intended for my phone's os17:29
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DrGrovTachikoma: ah ok, I have not got any mails...17:30
DrGrovTachikoma: lol on the useless mails, typical Nokia17:30
DocScrutinizer2and that nonsense is done via SMS you have to pay for17:30
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: so it keeps just coming as SMS? lol...17:31
TriztN900so booting with a none working sim is a way to get around it?17:31
TachikomaDrGrov: it's sms's, not mail17:31
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Tachikomaand answering to them does not work17:31
TachikomaI tried to send "WTF" back17:31
pexijust wait for iAdds..17:32
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DocScrutinizer2TriztN900: see, basically yes, that's part of the workaround17:32
DrGrovwhat is a Nokia account then?17:32
DrGrovThat is for the forums, right?17:32
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TachikomaI personally don;t need nokia, ovi or anything - so I do not rerally care and see it as kind of an attempt in personal entertainment by nokia ....17:32
Surfanokia account is for ovi17:32
TachikomaDrGrov: i have no clue what a NOKIA ACCOUTN CAN DO AND NO PLANS TO FIND OUT ;)17:33
Tachikomaups, sry for caps17:33
tybolltand still ovi is useless PoS on the N900 =)17:33
tybolltthat's the irony of it all17:33
TriztN900Doc: okey, but think it's too late for me17:33
tybolltnokia released their iPhone w/out an appstore17:33
tybolltso hilarious :)17:33
TriztN900appstore suxx, use apt-get17:34
DrGrovTachikoma: LOL :)17:34
pupnikrepositories > appstores17:34
Tachikomaapt-get does not work with ovi store apps anymore, right?17:34
DrGrovTachikoma: no problem for caps :)17:34
Surfashare on ovi is very useful imo17:34
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TriztN900tachikoma: who cares, nothing useful there17:35
DrGrovSurfa: so nokia account is for Ovi? it has nothing to do with MyNokia then?17:35
SurfaDrGrov, no, mynokia is not exactly any account17:35
TachikomaDrGrov: i *think* that the accoutn is to access all ovi and nokia stuff. But I would not be surprised at all if you need three or more accounts to use all of it.17:36
Surfanokia account is unified account for ovi services17:36
DrGrovSurfa: ah ok, so it is a completely different story. i registered for a Nokia account last autumn when I still had the N97.17:36
SurfaTachikoma, not true17:36
SurfaDrGrov, that's right17:36
TachikomaSurfa: ok, so mynokia is just a PR tool?17:37
SurfaDrGrov, mynokia is just a way to  give information for users about capabilities of their phones17:37
DrGrovSurfa: ok, so of course Ovi worked well with the N97. So thanks for clearing up that Nokia Account and MyNokia is two completely different things17:37
SurfaTachikoma, not really, but depends on how you take it17:38
Tachikomawhich nokia uses (at least in my case) as wrong it can be :)17:38
DrGrovThen I am positive I have not registered for any MyNokia BS17:38
SurfaTachikoma, well, imo it's good way of usage for some people, but you should be able to deregister too17:38
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SurfaDrGrov, certain devices register themselves automatically upon first start17:38
Surfawith that infamous sms that no one is telling you17:39
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SurfaDrGrov, but actually my nokia and nokia account are linked in a way that you can handle your settings by logging in with you nokia account17:39
DrGrovSurfa: so it could have registered itself on PR 1.1 when I updated the first time when I got the device?17:40
SurfaDrGrov, i think that n900 registered itself only after pr1.2 update17:40
Surfait didn't have mynokia capabilities before that17:40
DrGrovSurfa: ah ok. I remember something about MyNokia back with Pr 1.1. Perhaps I am mistaken?17:41
Surfai may be wrong about that, I'm not 100% sure17:41
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Surfabut in general my nokia is just a information channel17:42
DrGrovBut the strangest thing is that I have never got any SMS from MyNokia asking for anything17:42
DrGrovBut as said, I am 101% sure that I have not registered upon PR 1.217:42
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SurfaDrGrov,  do you get sms messages and want to get rid of them?17:43
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GAN900Hooray for downed proxies17:43
Surfayou can change my nokia settings in
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DrGrovSurfa: no, that is the thing. I don't get any sms messages.17:44
Surfaok :)17:44
SurfaDrGrov, if you want them, you can allow them to be sent from the same address17:44
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DrGrovI am sure I answered no if there ever was that question17:44
Surfathere's tickers for e-mail and sms messages under the my nokia17:44
DrGrovGod damn no, I do not want any MyNokia bs in my phone17:44
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: language problem here, not fluent German speaker :)17:45
Surfaeven that I'm quite familiar with nokia devices, i must admit that every now and then the tip sms's contain something new, even for me17:45
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DrGrovSurfa: working for Nokia perhaps and giving some good PR?17:45
DrGrovSurfa: lol :) j/k17:46
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Surfadoesn't really matter where I work :) just a personal opinion here17:46
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PhonicUKhey all17:46
Surfamostly they are useless crap, but sometimes i find them useful17:46
PhonicUKanyone else finding that the Ovi store is asking for some mythical Maemo update?17:46
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SurfaDocScrutinizer2, where do we need this link anymore? :)17:47
DrGrovSurfa: ok, just checking with you that you are not the evil Nokia guy sitting in the office smiling :)17:47
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: thank you17:47
Surfai just told where you can adjust your my nokia settings if you happen to have need for that17:47
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Surfaright place for that was :)17:48
Surfathere are settings for all nokia services, along with my nokia17:48
DrGrovSurfa: thanks :)17:48
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: it seems like the MyNokia could be accepted or rejected when starting the phone the first time after buying it even though it was PR 1.1... Not sure though, perhaps I am misinterpreting something in that text you linked to.17:49
Surfabut all in all, my nokia is useful for some people, even that it's implemented in a little weird way that everyone get's spammed17:49
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DocScrutinizer2Surfa: the mynokia implementation is a crime - literally. At least under Germen and UK legisaltion17:50
SurfaDocScrutinizer2, i don't care really17:51
Surfanone of my problem, I'm just telling here how to get rid of it if you want to17:51
DocScrutinizer2Surfa: I don't care if you care. I hope Nokia will harvest the fruits of what they did17:51
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DocScrutinizer2Surfa: and to me it sounds rather apologetic rather than you telling how to get rid of anything17:52
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Surfado I look that I care for that either? :)17:53
HtheBifobot, tell HtheB about DocScrutinizer17:53
HtheBinfobot, tell HtheB about DocScrutinizer17:53
HtheBmeh, fail17:53
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Surfai don't like pretending a free speach anti crime anti corporate jesus17:53
Surfanormal talk is just fine, no matter how it sounds17:54
HtheBoh, no fail :p17:54
HtheBtime to do some happy ending now17:54
midas__is there a ovi store upgrade planned for today?17:55
Surfamidas__, how so?17:57
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DrGrovwell, I support that was DocScrutinizer2 said17:57
midas__because opened it and it told me to update my n90017:58
AppiahDo you have PR1.2?17:58
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DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: thanks for the help. talk to you later guys17:58
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Appiahoh , then I have no idea17:58
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midas__strange thing is, i dont even have a new update available :P17:59
Surfamidas__, it seems to work for me (ovi store)17:59
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midas__im running 10.2010.19118:01
midas__oh wait18:02
midas__hide user agent...18:02
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Appiahmidas__: :D18:03
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SurfaI think i'm going to town to kich and punch some people.. maybe even choke them18:10
Surfasomewhere it might be crime, but it's fun anyway, I suggest everyone to try it out18:10
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DocScrutinizer2k, sorry but can't resist, as it's so much fun!!18:12
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Surfame too18:13
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mintuxhow to select text from pdf.and also a dictionery work on selection i tried qstardict but it doesn't work and doesn't show translate when select a word18:21
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pupnikmintux, what program do you use to view pdf18:29
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mintuxdefault pdf viewer18:32
tybollthmm minttu18:33
mintuxpdf reader18:33
mintuxpupnik: ^18:33
pupnikmintux: i don't think it can.  not sure18:33
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mintuxare there any pdf reader can i select text on it?18:38
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pupnikmintux: for n900, yes18:43
dima202I'm having an issue with the browser not wanting to load a page doesn't matter wifi or 3g18:44
dima202I just get loading then white screen18:44
mintuxpupnik so what is that. should ask quastion for each sentences?18:45
dima202just me then18:45
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DocScrutinizer2evince >> default pdf reader18:45
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dima202hey DocScrutinizer218:46
pupnikmintux: Ctrl+Comma to enter text hilight mode in evince18:46
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flailingmonkeyI tried xchat, and definitely prefer irssi over it18:51
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GreyFoxxAnychance someone can remind me of the name of the linux commandline tool for reencoding videos to play properly on an n810 ?   I'm sure I had such an app once before but for the life of me I can't rememeber the name :)18:58
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arachnistmencoder (comes with mplayer on normal distros)?18:58
GreyFoxxno, it was something specificly gearred for the N8xx devices18:59
GreyFoxxmight very well have used ffmpeg under the hood for all I know18:59
GreyFoxxahhh tablet-encode ... thanks that was what I was thinking of18:59
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dima202can someone give me an idea why n900 default browser my get stuck and not load pages for a while.. But then I manage to load one it works just fine from there on19:03
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dima202until i close the browser that is19:05
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SpeedEvilThe blue bar along the bottom just keeps cycling, and not loading dima202?19:08
DocScrutinizer2fsckng JS19:11
DocScrutinizer2or DNS not resolving19:12
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DocScrutinizer2flailingmonkey: awwww19:13
dima202SpeedEvil: yeah19:13
SpeedEvilI've never tried chasing a baby with a chainsaw, so I don't know.19:13
SpeedEviloops - wrong window.19:13
dima202I actually went to my domain which is just a directory listing and same thing.. also a page by apache saying "it works"19:13
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dima202SpeedEvil: sounds like an intersting conversation19:14
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DocScrutinizer2I'd guess a baby with a chainsaw would rather chase me19:17
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DocScrutinizer2dima202: DNS lookup borked?19:18
DocScrutinizer2dima202: try IP address19:18
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, ping ping ping19:24
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, add cat icon | sed 's/^/ /' > iconwithspace to that, I don't want the karma for the edit :P19:25
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tripzeroif the leaked video/images of the n9 are true, /me is unimpressed19:25
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG: I don't want any better karma at all, as it kills my excuses to not attend summit19:26
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flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer2: I assume I could have found a way to turn off the channel and user panes, but the scroll bars and context menus were too much bad UI for me19:28
Stskeepsluke-jr: pin19:28
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flailingmonkeys/panes/panes in xchat/19:28
infobotflailingmonkey meant: DocScrutinizer2: I assume I could have found a way to turn off the channel and user panes in xchat, but the scroll bars and context menus were too much bad UI for me19:28
DocScrutinizer2context menus were bad UI?19:29
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DocScrutinizer2user list is easily turned off/on via menu/view/userlist(F7)  (obviously F7 fails :-P )19:30
flailingmonkeysorry, i meant how its menus are not touch-friendly. having up/down arrows to scroll through them makes me cry19:30
DocScrutinizer2or similar (from off the top of my head)19:31
SpeedEvilThe source however is right there.19:31
DocScrutinizer2the only thing that constatntly makes me cry on N900 is the lack of a menu hardbutton19:31
alteregoThat's how things use to be in the old hildon days :P19:31
alteregoand by old I mean last year19:32
DocScrutinizer2N810 is so much better wrt that19:32
flailingmonkeyscrollpanes with scroll bars were the last straw (as well as bad default colors, but I would have changed those if the UI elements were hildonized)19:32
SpeedEvilI'd love another button or two.19:32
MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer2> MohammadAG: I don't want any better karma at all, as it kills my excuses to not attend summit19:32
MohammadAGjust add it...19:32
flailingmonkeyI make judicious use of shortcutd and half-press of camera button19:33
SpeedEviltextarea is not a standard widget - it's custom19:33
MohammadAGwait wait wait19:33
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SpeedEvilSo hildonising isn't quite trivial19:33
MohammadAGif you have karma -> you HAVE to visit the summit?19:33
flailingmonkeywould be great if it could open application menu19:33
alteregoMohammadAG: he's saying the opposite.19:33
GAN900alterego, pong?19:34
MohammadAGhe doesn't want to visit the summit19:34
MohammadAGbut does having karma mean you need to visit the summit?19:34
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG: >>The motivation for the tester is: ... * Karma - rating apps and leaving comments earns karma which    has, in the past, translated to discounted devices and    sponsored travel & accommodation to the summit.19:35
luke-jrStskeeps: ?19:35
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DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG: obviously you'll go to jail and lose your MyNokia account if you have >300 karma and don't visit summit19:36
Stskeepsluke-jr: if i wanted to override a symbol in a .so i can't recompile, how'd i do that?19:36
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, and you don't want to be at the summit because?19:36
flailingmonkeyso far I haven't seen a way to have irssi beep when someone uses your nick19:36
luke-jrStskeeps: depends on the kind of symbol19:36
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* MohammadAG has 46919:36
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG: ...because I generally hate mass events19:37
MohammadAGI hope that doesn't mean I HAVE to go19:37
* RST38h moos evilly at all the present19:37
Stskeeps.. actually, i think i know how to do it19:37
RST38hStskeeps heya19:37
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, 549 users online, this is a mass online event, you can leave19:37
MohammadAGjk XP19:37
luke-jrStskeeps: LD_PRELOAD works for most19:38
* ZogG xmms2> System of a Down - Spiders ["System of a Down" 1998]19:38
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luke-jrStskeeps: if not, I think it may be impossible since GCC might hard-code the address19:38
DocScrutinizer2(* MohammadAG has 469) that's your tmo spammer bonus19:38
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* Stskeeps is thinking dlopen19:39
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer2, now now, how am I a spammer :)19:39
* luke-jr doesn't see how dlopen would help19:40
luke-jractually, I think I do now19:40
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alteregoluke-jr, Stskeeps what are you working on?19:40
Stskeepsi need to override a bunch of symbols, so i would dlopen the .so i would want to replace..19:40
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alteregoI don't have a log back that far :P19:40
luke-jralterego: no idea19:40
DocScrutinizer2Stskeeps: include a dummy lib exporting that particular symbol19:40
Stskeepsassuming i know the interface..19:41
luke-jrStskeeps: how's GPS coming btw?19:41
Stskeepsluke-jr: my summer project will be n8x0 stuff at least :P19:41
alteregoIs the N900 GPS driver FOSS? I was under the impression it's part of the cellmo?19:42
luke-jralterego: no; yes19:42
alteregoAnd how would that relate at all to ofono and MeeGo?19:42
Stskeepsalterego: didn't explore it yet, raise it at next n900 hardware adaptation meeting19:42
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alteregoIs the GPS going to be a big problem for us creating a true MeeGo instance?19:42
luke-jralterego: likely19:43
Stskeepsdepending if you like closed source blobs or not19:43
alteregoStskeeps: okay, will do. When is that then? :P19:43
Stskeepssame situation with 3d drivers19:43
Stskeepsalterego: usually thursdays in the morning, excepting this wek19:43
alteregoStskeeps: I like blobs, if they're abi compatible :)19:43
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alteregos/like/can cope with/19:44
infobotalterego meant: Stskeeps: I can cope with blobs, if they're abi compatible :)19:44
alteregoI'm more of a kernel driver man myself.19:44
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luke-jralterego: N810 GPS driver is abi compatible, but doesn't work ;)19:45
alteregoI'd like to know how gps works now, maybe it's possible to use ofone to create some kind of serial connection like interface to the GPS19:45
alteregoHeh, I thought the N810 driver is FOSS?19:45
alteregoIsn't it just a sirfstar attached to a uart?19:45
luke-jrI think the most "source" we have is speculation on the Changelog19:46
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luke-jralterego: no19:46
luke-jrit's a TI GPS5300 which is basically a specialized DSP19:46
luke-jrthe GPS itself *is* the driver19:46
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alteregoOh, that's neat,19:46
alteregoObviously not from getting it to work, but quite a cool concept if we can do it :)19:47
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luke-jrthere are a couple of free GPS implementations on the net19:47
luke-jrso it's *possible* at least19:47
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alteregoSo are we talking MeeGo N8x0 at the moment.19:48
luke-jrI've also done a bit of reverse engineering the GPS5300 protocol19:48
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luke-jrthe hard part will be trying to figure out how to tie it in to one of those GPS implementations19:49
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DocScrutinizer2luke-jr: how much of the correlator heavy lifting is done in system space by the driver?19:50
luke-jrDocScrutinizer2: no clue what that even means19:50
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alteregoheh :) right man for the job then :P19:51
luke-jrsomeone with a clue is welcome to help out... ;)19:51
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alteregoI was thinking of turning my N810 into a widescreen TV for my pet rats.19:51
DocScrutinizer2luke-jr: basically that first and foremost means: is the gps driver eating up much of the CPU cycles when active?19:52
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alteregoIf we can get MeeGo on it with HW GLES I might rethink that idea.19:52
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luke-jrDocScrutinizer2: if we run it under gdb to make a trace of the execution, it maxes out and doesn't work at all :p19:53
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DocScrutinizer2luke-jr: GPS is all about a fair amount of siphisticated complex math19:53
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DocScrutinizer2luke-jr: there are chipsets that do this in hw, and there are cheap ones that dump all the heavy computing load off to the SoC19:54
alteregoSo, basically everything boils down to bme,gles,cellmo and gps for close blobs?19:54
luke-jrI don't see gps5300driver on 'top' normally19:54
DocScrutinizer2application processor19:54
alteregowell and boot loader ..19:54
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luke-jrgpsd uses more CPU than gpsdriver19:55
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luke-jrand that's even despite gpsdriver's poor implementation19:55
alteregoanyone got jtag working on any of the tablets? :)19:55
DocScrutinizer2alterego: bme is kinda vanishing issue19:55
luke-jrspecifically, it does single-byte syscall reads rather than buffering19:55
luke-jrDocScrutinizer2: BME is never vanishing on N8x019:56
alteregoDocScrutinizer2: due to usb host work?19:56
DocScrutinizer2aaah right. Sorry my bad19:56
alteregoyeah, is that even related to N810?19:56
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alteregoThough the chips involved may not be that different?19:57
DocScrutinizer2I guess I could tackle N810 bme as well, but atm I don't eactly feel inclined19:57
DocScrutinizer2alterego: the chip is totally different from what I gather so far19:57
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alteregoOh, I thought nokia were more standard in that regard, well, I would have guessed they'd be ... :)19:58
luke-jrthis isn't about being standard :P19:59
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luke-jrnewer devices will of course have better hardware19:59
DocScrutinizer2this is about hw design19:59
luke-jreven from N800 to N810, the touchscreen and audio controllers were changed19:59
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alteregoI can understand gles, ass thats imagination, but I don't get the issue with TI being so closed wrt gps and such.20:00
DocScrutinizer2and afaik N8x0 have a completely dumb charging hw that needs close control from BME20:00
DocScrutinizer2on the signal processing level20:00
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alteregoRight, and N900 is gpio controlled?20:00
DocScrutinizer2n900 has an autonomously working charger chip, that just needs programming over I2C20:01
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alteregoIn completely unrelated news, anyone know why the alpha gst element doesn't work?20:02
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fralsfmms 1.1.8 in extras \o/20:03
DocScrutinizer2frals: congrats20:03
alteregocongrats, I can't get anyone to vote for my app :P20:03
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fralsalterego: aggregate blog and post about it on planet maemo!20:04
fralsand thanks!20:04
flailingmonkeyvoting should be in HAM :-p20:04
DocScrutinizer2flailingmonkey: yes20:04
N900evilflailingmonkey: naah20:04
flailingmonkeyme and my insanity20:04
N900evilflailingmonkey: it should be a long-press from app laucher20:05
DocScrutinizer2I several times suggested to wrap the app in testing into a script that opens the voting page in microb when the main app quits20:05
flailingmonkeyN900evil: it would be easier to implement in HAM, but I think you should be able to get application details from a long press20:05
flailingmonkeyand from those details be able to do things like vote if its in testing, etc20:06
flailingmonkeyN900 is no integration, outside extras (stable anyway)20:07
microlithI always wondered what that file meantclear20:07
flailingmonkeybeing a repository at least.20:07
microliththis is not my console window20:07
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alteregofrals: no blog anymore20:10
MohammadAG~seen andre_20:10
infobotandre_ <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 207d 17h 16m 24s ago, saying: 'okay. sounds like very few towns'.20:10
MohammadAG~seen andre__20:10
infobotandre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 3h 35m 24s ago, saying: 'DocScrutinizer, no idea'.20:10
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LullenCould anyone help me identify this autobuilder-error?
* SpeedEvil ponders a antivuvuzela notch filter app...20:19
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sivangSpeedEvil: hehe20:21
sivanghey MohammadAG20:21
sivangMohammadAG: how's it going? you can swim in the air of TLV20:21
tripzeroLullen, you may be missing some headers from your src you uploaded20:22
tripzerounless mcd/dbus-names.h is part of another project, in which case you should specify that as a dep in your control file20:23
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Lullenmce/dbus-names.h is a header in the sysroots\fremantle-arm-sysroot-1014-slim\usr\include\mce folder20:25
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kevloralHi all20:25
Lullenit works when I write dpkg-buildpackage (and get a .deb on the computer) but when I write dpkg-buildpackage -sa -S and upload it I get that error20:26
tripzeroLullen, make sure you are uploading all the headers.  It also won't fail on your machine if you have the deps already installed.20:26
tripzeroyou need to specify the deps so that the build server will know to install them as well20:27
kevloralHas anyone heard the NFC announcement made by Nokia today? I guess it doesn´t cover meego handets, does it?20:28
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Lullenwhat deps should I add? currently I have Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev20:29
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VenemoLullen: perhaps add mce? is it possible?20:31
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Lullenvenemo, now I am trying with mce added20:33
flailingmonkeyNFC, sexy20:35
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flailingmonkeycould be a possibility actually for Nokia handsets running meego (if they get released in 2011)20:36
Venemowhat is NFC, exactly?20:36
Lullennear field communication20:37
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LullenI think you can use it to have the phone as a wallet20:38
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LullenVenemo, still not finding the files and declarations :(20:39
flailingmonkeyvery low power contactless communication tech20:39
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flailingmonkeymainly intended for payment stuff20:39
ftrvxmtrxLullen, mce-dev in Build-Depends, mce in Depends20:40
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Lullen[fremantle]: qexercise 0.1-1 OK20:50
LullenTHANKS ALOT! :)20:50
LullenSo what do I do now?20:51
MohammadAG51wait :)20:51
Venemogo to extras-devel and install your app?20:51
MohammadAG51till 6:0520:51
MohammadAG51UTC time20:51
Lullenthanks :)20:52
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pupniki'm still surprised nobody has packaged MyTube for debian21:17
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flailingmonkeynever heard of MyTube21:22
DocScrutinizerhaha red pill mode ressurected21:22
DocScrutinizer~hail MohammadAG5121:22
* infobot bows down to MohammadAG51 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"21:22
pupnikflailingmonkey: search and browse youtube without any flash player21:22
MohammadAG51qwerty12 found it today, but didn't say how to enable it21:23
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DocScrutinizer2maybe you miss the line, so:21:27
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flailingmonkeyahhh spam21:27
DocScrutinizer2make the last '1'21:27
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E0xwhat is red-pill ?21:28
E0xnevermind , i google it21:28
MohammadAG51blue and red pill modes21:28
flailingmonkeyalterego, i'm downloading qlister from testing21:28
MohammadAG51btw, matrix reference, not anything else21:28
DocScrutinizer2flailingmonkey: and - as you can tell from filename - it's related to HAM21:29
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flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer2: yeah, I remember when they turned red pill mode off21:30
DocScrutinizer2hmm yes, they s/1/0/   :-P21:30
MohammadAG51apparently they just removed the "matrix" shortcut to enable it21:30
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, they removed the GUI way of enabling it lol21:30
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: not only, it was also disabled for me after update21:31
MohammadAG51I didn't have it enabled permanently21:31
DocScrutinizer2so:  they s/1/0/   :-P21:31
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MohammadAG51~seen tealbird21:32
infobottealbird <> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 66d 20h 5m 51s ago, saying: 'I'm taking time off, didn't even try to get work time cuz I know they wouldn't pay'.21:33
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* DocScrutinizer2 ponders about OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* and whether we could get rid of the major annoyance of maemo: the crippled filesystem in file selector21:33
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flailingmonkeyi see Ovi+HAM are dumb, as highlighted by downloading Zen Bound21:34
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, nothing interesting21:34
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flailingmonkeyDocScrutinizer2: we definitely can.21:36
MohammadAG51i'd rather port nautilus than fix hildon-fm21:36
MohammadAG51and replace hildon-desktop with gnome-desktop21:36
MohammadAG51that might be doable...21:37
flailingmonkeythat doesn't help apps that use libhildonfm for file selecting21:38
MohammadAG51keep it as a library then21:38
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timelessMohammadAG5: yes?21:39
timelesswrap nautilus file opicker as hildonfm?21:39
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MohammadAG51timeless, pm21:41
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flailingmonkeylet me know if that might work21:44
flailingmonkeyif we have trackerd anyway, file picker ought to be able to search it21:47
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DocScrutinizer2seems somebody needs to analyze the libhildonfm for references to ~/.osso/OSSO_FILEMANAGER/* and what exactly it is rrading from there, if anything21:47
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MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, I only have one file there21:48
DocScrutinizer2yes, and that seems to adopt windows crappy method of assigning a numeric abstract property to certain dirs21:49
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flailingmonkeythat number is some reference to a dir?21:52
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ruskiehmm I wonder if there'll ever be anything from the command line sharing plugin21:59
nomisbtw. - is it possible to implement sharing plugins in python?21:59
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RST38hHmmm, Mac Mini looks like a pretty nice media PC box now22:00
ruskieyou could use the command line sharing plugin as the base and then just have python scripts do the stuff22:00
nomisindeed. That one is new to me.22:01
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* RST38h considers buying Mac Mini and installing Windows on it22:05
ruskienomis, if you care22:05
* MohammadAG51 is considering begging for +o and kickbanning RST38h 22:05
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RST38hAha, 1 (one) Mac user detected22:06
MohammadAG51One mac and windows hater detected22:06
ruskiehate is an attractive emotion22:06
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* ruskie loaths windows and mac22:06
Mouseyi hate them too22:07
Mouseyhaven't used windows in 12 years, mac in 522:07
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RST38hCrazy penguin people they are, my precioussss22:08
lcukDocScrutinizer2, file system availability in selector hits only very very few people22:08
flailingmonkeyI use Ubuntu on my laptop, with a Windows 7 dual boot option rarely used. At work I use Windows XP and Maemo 5 on my N900. then my family members have Macs which I trouble shoot22:08
MohammadAG51lcuk, it annoys me too :)22:08
lcukthere should technically be no user data stored outside the user accessible areas :P22:09
flailingmonkeymore I say, moooore22:09
MohammadAG51i have windows installed, with a missing dll to mock it22:09
lcuki know that MohammadAG51 i just saw what you said22:09
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lcuki'd rather see more like what mece did and trying to find simple patches for what we have :)22:09
MohammadAG51infobot, libhildonfm222:10
infobotsomebody said libhildonfm2 was a piece of sh*t22:10
lcukso if for instance hildonf-m could look everywhere22:10
lcukwell thats fine MohammadAG51 :p22:10
DocScrutinizer2lcuk: I tend to agree, nevertheless I would appreciate to have a generic solution for those that actually don't like the "user protection" as of Nokia22:10
flailingmonkeyindeed, and I think it would be possible to have a switch to allow full access22:10
MohammadAG51lcuk, :D22:10
lcukDocScrutinizer2, flailingmonkey MohammadAG51 yup22:10
Gadgetoidwtf... my phone is still alive!22:11
lcuka setting somewhere would be the only real feasible method22:11
MohammadAG51imagine that22:11
fralsi heard gconf is the shizzle22:11
* lcuk nods22:11
lcukis it bug 43022:11
povbotBug Show and edit filename extensions22:11
* MohammadAG51 grins22:11
flailingmonkeythats what mece patched up22:11
DocScrutinizer2flailingmonkey: and maybe that switch is already there, undocumented and hidden, in ~/.osso/OSSO_FILEMANAGER/*22:11
povbotBug 430: Show and edit filename extensions22:12
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flailingmonkeydo do dooo22:12
flailingmonkeyi feel like I'm in some back alley22:12
lcukDocScrutinizer2, find or create an actual bug for it22:12
lcukflailingmonkey, you are22:12
* MohammadAG51 creates a bug for gconf titled "it exists"22:12
* lcuk files a bug against MohammadAG51 titled "special"22:13
DocScrutinizer2has been confirmed by public vote22:13
DocScrutinizer2that one too22:13
MohammadAG51RESOLVED FIXED, MohammadAG v0.2 will no longer be special22:13
MohammadAG51damn, that's part of PR2.122:14
DocScrutinizer2I gather libhildonfm is closed?22:14
MohammadAG51not at all22:14
MohammadAG51but still22:14
MohammadAG51infobot, libhildonfm222:14
infoboti guess libhildonfm2 is a piece of sh*t22:15
DocScrutinizer2she's so cute22:15
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lcukMohammadAG51, just because hildonfm isnt your type doesnt mean you can rip on it :p22:15
GAN900Fun, Saturday to fix the internet. . . .22:15
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flailingmonkeythe real reason default behavior won't be changed, is that all the screenshots for user guide would have to retaken22:16
MohammadAG51lcuk, there's always gconf :P22:16
jaemlcuk, is there a functional alternative file manager available aside from MC?22:16
lcukGAN900, all of it?22:16
lcukjaem, i didnt know mc was functional22:16
MohammadAG51LOL flailingmonkey22:16
* lcuk ducks22:16
DocScrutinizer2GAN900: great! :-D22:16
flailingmonkey(this is only slightly a joke, as I've heard such logic used in commercial development)22:16
GAN900lcuk, you're just using simulated internet.22:16
jaemlcuk, I assumed it was, but unless you're being sarcastic, I don't know either.22:16
MohammadAG51lcuk, what's wrong with it22:16
fralswhats not wrong with it?!22:17
MohammadAG51I optified it, and reqeuested to be a maintainer by mistake22:17
* frals goes back to using explorer.exe <322:17
lcukthe only real file manager ive used which ticks every box as far as FM goes is directory opus22:17
jaemI've never heard of it... which platform?22:17
* MohammadAG51 executes shutdown -h on frals's PC22:17
flailingmonkeymmm amiga22:17
MohammadAG51what's amita? :)22:18
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MohammadAG51amiga even22:18
ruskiewtf... for some reason Settings -> Phone keeps saying that I have Forwarding of unanswered calls... even though I said No so many times and saved... but each time I open it it's there again22:18
DocScrutinizer2workbench FTW22:19
flailingmonkeyi think thats for voicemail, from sim card22:19
ruskieflailingmonkey, I never had that enabled EVER22:19
DocScrutinizer2ruskie: your carrier doesn't allow to disable, I guess22:19
ruskieDocScrutinizer2, they do22:19
ruskieworks just fine if I do it on any other phone22:19
DocScrutinizer2so maybe the SS they hardcoded at Nokia for that function just doesn't match22:20
DocScrutinizer2ruskie: please look at
povbotBug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.03022:20
flailingmonkeybtw, "Miss Ovi Blog" just got an N900. maybe we should reach out to her for all our Ovi woes :)22:21
DocScrutinizer2tzz, I wonder where's MY N90022:22
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GAN900DocScrutinizer2, everytime you complain about it the DHL sits down the block in his truck and laugh maniacally at you another day. :P22:23
flailingmonkeyOvi Store downloads to rootfs before moving to MMC and installing. where do I file this bug22:23
* MohammadAG51 throws a /var/tmp at lcuk, update you package!22:24
alteregoflailingmonkey: actually /var/tmp is tmpfs I believe22:24
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lcukMohammadAG51, which package22:24
MohammadAG51alterego, too slow22:24
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MohammadAG51lcuk, maemo-optify-firstboot(?)22:24
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DocScrutinizer2GAN900: probably. While bricking the N900 that he found in a torn packet22:25
lcukdont just shout things like that MohammadAG51 - explain22:25
MohammadAG51lcuk, add /var/tmp to your config file that optifies folder at first boot22:26
MohammadAG51it's needed for ovi22:26
lcuksoryr, i cant take irc requests22:26
alteregoMy contract is up for an upgrade this month, I'm thinking of upgrading to an N900, that means I'll actually have a spare to screw with :)22:26
lcukfile bug :P22:26
flailingmonkeyjust checked. /var/tmp is not tmpfs. /tmp is though22:26
flailingmonkeyso is /var/run22:27
alterego/var/tmp should be a symlink?22:27
* MohammadAG51 gets a grenade from DocScrutinizer2's armory22:27
MohammadAG51*holds the pin*, lcuk sure you don't take requests?22:27
MohammadAG51alterego, why not22:28
lcukpositive - btw, why is the a grenade at your feet?22:28
* MohammadAG51 runs22:28
lcukit seems to be caught on your shoelace22:28
flailingmonkeyI am so lost now.22:28
* MohammadAG51 unties shoe22:28
* MohammadAG51 hands flailingmonkey a Maemo device and the symbian version of ovi maps22:29
DocScrutinizer2alterego: /var/* isn't supposed to be limited to <80MB like /tmp is now22:29
flailingmonkeyalright, so when I download an app from Ovi Store, is there a way to direct where the .deb is downloaded22:29
ruskieDocScrutinizer2, it seems the only issue is the display22:29
DocScrutinizer2actually it isn't, scratch that22:29
alteregoflailingmonkey: yes22:29
MohammadAG51alterego, shut up .)22:29
DocScrutinizer2ruskie: err, ok22:30
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MohammadAG51alterego, we want the ovi store for another week, at least22:30
alteregoWell, I don't think it'd work without being auth'd and having paid MohammadAG51 :P22:30
MohammadAG51flailingmonkey, as root, mv /var/tmp /opt/var && ln -s /opt/var/tmp /var/tmp22:31
DocScrutinizer2~nuke ovi store22:31
* infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ovi store ... B☢☢M!22:31
MohammadAG51alterego, what if he devices do share it22:31
MohammadAG51s/devices do/decides to/22:31
lcukim off22:31
* MohammadAG51 throws a nuke at lcuk 22:31
flailingmonkeylcuk, g'night22:32
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flailingmonkeythat qualifies as a workaround, but why does it go in /var/tmp of all places? is it a cache location defined by microb?22:32
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MohammadAG51flailingmonkey, yes, download a 100mb file and see it output the same error22:33
flailingmonkeybecause as more content is available from Ovi, more problems will happen22:33
flailingmonkeyso then its a microb problem22:34
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timeless/tmp is about 1k22:34
timeless/var/tmp is about 70k22:34
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flailingmonkeythere are no expectations of keeping permissions when a file is downloaded, so it really should just use the eMMC space22:35
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timelessplease note that MyDocs is not always mounted22:36
timelessso we can't write there22:36
SpeedEvilDoes http even support permissions?22:36
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timelessi'm not quite sure about why /var/tmp v /homw/user22:36
flailingmonkeyhmm, yes, at least in /home/user22:37
lcukbecause things arent always installed by /home/user22:37
timelessbut note that in general, writing temp data to a temp folder and moving it is "the right thing tm"22:37
DocScrutinizer/usr and /var to dedicated partitons on eMMC!22:37
SpeedEvilSometimes the right thing is horribly wrong22:37
* lcuk isnt here tho22:37
timelessor just goes wrong22:37
MohammadAG51/opt/var/tmp, problem solved22:38
flailingmonkeyfor http download, there is usually a filesize reported. it could at least use that to pick a sane tmp dir22:38
DocScrutinizerfsck optification22:38
timelessthere isn't usually actually22:39
MohammadAG51what's the browser binary called?22:39
MohammadAG51not the bookmarks one22:39
GAN900DocScrutinizer, you just wish you had coined such an awesome term. :P22:39
timelessand for files which are supposed to be sent to an app22:39
timelessinstead of saved22:39
timelessthey're supposed to live in tmp, not home22:39
MohammadAG51LOL @ GAN90022:39
infobotit has been said that optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs22:39
MohammadAG51s/inventive/innovative xP22:40
timelessthe browser bookmarks ui is the same ui process as the browser itself22:40
flailingmonkeyright, since it is sending it to App Manager22:40
MohammadAG51timeless, so how do I launch it from terminal? (no dbus please)22:40
timelessthe engine is browserd22:40
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timeless/user/bin/browser --url ...22:40
MohammadAG51oh? ty22:40
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timelessbut if the browser is running, the wrong thing might happen22:41
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timeless(and the browser is always running)22:41
flailingmonkeyis it browser that supports all the backends, etc22:41
* timeless shrugs22:41
timelessin theory, yes22:41
flailingmonkeyexcept it only uses the one22:41
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SpeedEviltimeless: Not if you kill it!22:42
timelessright :)22:43
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flailingmonkeytimeless: /var/tmp is actually not tmpfs, its directly on rootfs. so mine has 70MB22:43
SpeedEvil(third party browsers run lots better if you do kill the browser)22:43
timelesswell, it's still more than 1k :)22:43
sallesaohi, I'm having trouble when trying to trnfer files from my computer to my n900. anyone know how to mount it properly?22:44
MohammadAG51flailingmonkey, if it's 70MBs zen bound should download22:44
timelessi have 66mb free22:44
SpeedEvilsallesao: Plug into PC.Select 'ass rage' mode.22:44
MohammadAG5134MBs here, I store a lot of stuff in /root22:44
SpeedEvilsallesao: Then you can simply copy the files off.22:44
timelessbut reading df output was too hard for my tired brain22:44
jaemsallesao, What's the problem you're having?22:45
sallesaojaem: I use debian and tried mount /dev/sdb /mnt22:45
timelessmohammadag51: storage too ;)22:45
flailingmonkeyMohammadAG51: I haven't bought it yet, but was aware that it was a problem. just trying to see how that might be fixed in the future22:45
jaemsallesao, I presume you did select Mass Storage mode on the phone, and that your Debian install isn't set up to automount?22:46
sallesaoI found all my pics but I can't find where to put other files22:46
flailingmonkeymaybe microb stored .debs in a special place (aka where it/HAM moves it to anyway)22:46
MohammadAG51tbh I liked the ovi store's UI22:46
sallesaojaem: yes22:46
MohammadAG51when purchasing apps22:46
jaemsallesao, Wait, so you can mount it, but you can't find all the files?22:46
SpeedEvilsallesao: Check '.' directories22:46
jaemSpeedEvil, yep22:46
sallesaojaem: yes22:46
SpeedEvilsallesao: For some reason, it puts stuff in .sounds / ...22:46
jaemsallesao, .documents is "Fancy Schmancy Documents Folder" in the File Manager.22:47
MohammadAG51SpeedEvil, so that if your eMMC is unmounted it doesn't use the nokia tune22:47
sallesaojaem: why is there a dir called Mac OS?22:47
SpeedEvilWhich strikes me as totally ass-hatted, but probably makes sense to some spec-writer somewhere.22:47
MohammadAG51as the N97 did22:47
jaemsallesao, because you plugged it into a Mac, and Macs are stupid.22:47
sallesaoSpeedEvil: where do I find .sounds?22:47
MohammadAG51sallesao, for Mac OS? :)22:47
sallesaojaem: no mac involved22:47
jaemThey leave cruft like that on any drive you put in them, at least by default.22:47
timelessso you can see your data when you plug into a mac22:47
SpeedEviljaem: That dir is there by default22:47
jaemSpeedEvil, Oh really?22:48
sallesaoi use debian on a zepto22:48
SpeedEviljaem: really22:48
MohammadAG51jaem, the folder is there by... SpeedEvil beat me to it22:48
jaemIs it different than the typical Mac Cruft folder, then?22:48
timelessotherwise you're likely to reformat the volume and complain the data is gone when you detach22:48
jaemI just assumed...22:48
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jaemWhat's the purpose of it, then?  My Mac knowledge is limited to remembering (usually) how to open Bash22:48
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MohammadAG51e-yes, morning, and ty for the kernel patches22:49
timeless_mbp=> sallesao22:49
flailingmonkeyjaem: it is what you see as the Audio clips folder on your N90022:50
jaemflailingmonkey, wait, what?22:51
flailingmonkeyjaem: it just has a . in front of it so that it is usually hidden in other file managers (for some reason)22:51
jaemflailingmonkey, I know about .sounds22:51
pupnikMyPaint author gives lecture on extending Python with C/C++ for speed
jaemI was just misguidedly explaining that.22:51
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nomispupnik: LGM is a fantastic conference. If you're interested in free software graphic tools I suggest attending.22:52
jaemflailingmonkey, thanks, though.22:52
jaempupnik, thanks for the link, it looks interesting.22:52
sallesaofound it now. thanks.22:53
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jaemtimeless, sorry, so what is the purpose of the Mac OS folder, exactly?22:54
timeless_mbpjaem: read the url?22:55
jaemOh, I missed that.22:55
* jaem reads it22:56
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flailingmonkeytimeless_mbp: interesting read23:04
jaemtimeless_mbp, thanks, agreed23:04
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timeless_mbpif you guys think it's complete, i can publish it23:04
jaemIs that on the wiki in some form?  (Possibly with less cynicism)23:04
jaemWhich part? :P23:04
timeless_mbpnor do i care :)23:04
timeless_mbpwell, if there aren't any parts which don't make sense23:05
timeless_mbpthat's a start23:05
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timeless_mbpspelling errors, typos, poor style, anything like that should be fixed....23:06
timeless_mbpbut it's hard for me to catch that23:06
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SpeedEviltimeless: seems to mostly be sane.23:07
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: Hi there. You said that I should not open the MyNokia? Not even open to check if it is activated?23:07
DrGrovHi guys23:07
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DrGrovPorbably best not to even remotely open the MyNokia application?23:08
lcuknomis, whens that conf due23:09
t_s_ohmm, between the streak the evo and now the droid x, it seems that large screens have really gotten "crazy". Nokia, wtf happened?23:09
flailingmonkeyDrGrov, it doesn't matter if you open it23:10
DrGrovflailingmonkey: you absolutely sure about that?23:10
nomislcuk: it is yearly, this year it was in Brussels, three weeks ago.23:10
DrGrovI hate to get really insanely mad this time of night23:10
nomislcuk: next years date is not yet fixed, it *might* be in vietnam.23:10
* lcuk gets in time machine23:11
lcukyou couldv told me then!23:11
flailingmonkeycorrection, if you had a SIM card inserted when you upgraded to PR1.2, then it doesn't matter if you open it23:11
nomislcuk: sorry...23:11
DrGrovflailingmonkey: i had a SIM card inserted when I upgraded to PR 1.223:11
flailingmonkeyin that case it auto-sends that text msg23:11
DrGrovflailingmonkey: trust me, does not sending a damn thing. i never got the MyNokia thing popping up.23:12
flailingmonkeyit doesn't pop up23:12
microlitht_s_o: blinders, apparently.23:12
nomislcuk: the relevant mailing list ist the create mailinglist:
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DrGrovflailingmonkey: ah yes, sorry about that. it is silent process.23:12
MohammadAG51it's only a text message people23:12
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DrGrovgod damn Nokia fu**! :D23:13
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DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: you simply can NOT check via the MyNokia in settings. You only can accidentally send another SMS with this crap23:13
ptlwhat I just did, by trying to remove the subscription :P23:13
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: ah, now i understand. roger that23:13
flailingmonkeyyes, by going into it an unsubscribing, you send anoth sms23:13
infobotflailingmonkey meant: yes, by going into it an unsubscribing, you send another sms23:13
DrGrovtomorrow I will call Nokia and demand a god damn answer for this23:14
jaemDrGrov, I'm vaguely disturbed as well.23:14
flailingmonkeyDrGrov: document you adventure for our if you would be so kind23:14
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DrGrovjaem: agreed23:15
jaemThe first I heard of it was when browsing in X, coming across a README I didn't recognize. :/23:15
jaemThat's really not cool.23:15
lcuknomis, thanks, signed up :) will hear about it for the next one23:15
DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: no, it's nothing less than a privacy breach, and a robbery23:15
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DrGrovflailingmonkey: i don't give a fu** if Kirsi or what ever person answer the phone. If she does not give me a god damn answer I want a person who gives me an answer.23:15
jaemI trust Nokia with my information more than some companies, but that's really not the point.23:15
flailingmonkeyalso, as DocScrutinizer2 mentioned, the settings control doesn't "know" if you are subscribed.23:15
jaemThat's a blatant privacy violation.23:16
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DrGrovPerhaps time to get my lawyer to check it out for me?23:16
DrGrovWhether it is legal or not...?23:16
flailingmonkeyplease, any action is preferrable to rants. It would be greatly appreciated too23:17
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: good idea23:17
DrGrovMay I swear in public?23:17
flailingmonkeyits not something Nokia devs can help with either, has to go to legal23:17
DrGrovI have to ask permission for swearing first though23:17
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DrGrovPlease...? :)23:18
DocScrutinizer2go ahead23:18
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: anyway your lawyer will be pleased. Safe money for him23:18
DrGrovI am fucking sick and tired of Nokia fucking me around with first the N97 which is a completely different story and now they keep messing around with the "flagship" device, the N900.23:18
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microlithcue comment about N900 not being a flagship device...23:19
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: I am really interested to know whether it might actually hold up in court to press charges against Nokia for this.23:19
DocScrutinizer2probably it will23:19
MohammadAG51microlith, i never disappoint23:19
MohammadAG51DrGrov, the N900 isn't a flagship device23:20
DrGrovMohammadAG: you see the irony in my statement? :) lol23:20
jaemDrGrov, I personally wouldn't go that far, but if you want to make a fuss about it, and think you can, be my guest.23:20
flailingmonkeyits difficult because SMS is a small amount of money to go after in a civil case23:20
DrGrovyes of course it is small money but hey...23:20
jaemWhat is the supposed benefit of this "service" again?  So they can provide you with helpful SMS spam, or some such?23:20
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flailingmonkeybut thats where a lawyer can actually help23:21
DrGrovnow we are talking about a serious company with good history who is disregarding the consumer23:21
DocScrutinizer2flailingmonkey: no, the privacy violation, together with several other regulations they disobey, that's the case to fight here23:21
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MohammadAG51it's only a meesage...23:21
jaemMohammadAG, Yeah, but it's the principle of the thing.23:22
flailingmonkeyindeed, but armchair lawyers don'tm cut it in this case23:22
MohammadAG51it's only a meesage gdi...23:22
jaeme.g. My device is MY device - it should not be phoning home for any reason unless I tell it to, and have a choice.23:22
DrGrovthis not about one message23:22
MohammadAG51and it's not like Nokia cares about your number23:22
jaemMohammadAG, no, they probably don't.23:22
DocScrutinizer2you bet hey do. Here in Germany we got a whole class of lawyers that make a good living from cases like that23:22
MohammadAG51how do I kill the other me23:23
jaemBut plenty of companies do worse with that sort of thing, and being complacent about it will not improve things.23:23
DrGrovthis is about personal integrity23:23
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, can you kickban MohammadAG and remove the ban 5 seconds later? :)23:23
flailingmonkeyfrankly, ths issue needs to be addressed by Nokia, and I don't know why it hasn't been. where did MyNokia come from anyway, the symbian people?23:23
DrGrovflailingmonkey: agreed, this issue has to be dealt with.23:24
flailingmonkeythe maemo team wouldn't bother with such stuff23:24
jaemMohammadAG51, "Privacy for the sake of Privacy" is the doctrine I follow - who cares if it's a practical problem in this specific case.23:24
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DocScrutinizer2MohammadAG51: you ask for strange favours23:24
MohammadAG51it was first introduced in a fw update for the N9523:24
MohammadAG51V20 i think23:24
DrGrovPerhaps my nightly aggressions can come handy tomorrow with Nokia?23:24
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jaemTry not to kill them over the phone. -snerk-23:25
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DrGrovI mean, I always thought Nokia got their shit together but it seems to be going downwards more23:25
jaemThat tends to go over poorly.23:25
DrGrovjaem: yes it does. i can not strangle them properly since I do not have a cord close by lol23:25
DrGrovNo but seriously. I am pissed off with the treatment.23:25
* jaem nods23:25
flailingmonkeyNokia has inter-communication problems (as well as other communication problems)23:25
DrGrovBack in the good old days Nokia was more about delivering the talk and they walked the walk.23:26
DrGrovNow they are sitting on their lazy asses doing basically nothing "major"...23:26
DrGrovFuck, I am so disappointed....23:26
DrGrovSorry for my public swearing23:26
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flailingmonkeygood old days was not as big a company as it is now23:27
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: so you think there would be a good chance to perhaps get some answers for this?23:27
DrGrovflailingmonkey: that really might be the core problem.23:27
flailingmonkeylol, does the wiki have a org chart to figure out who might connected to Nokia and how23:27
DrGrovWhat might be the best place to call first to get some damn answers?23:28
MohammadAG51get a beagleboard and build your own phone23:28
jaemMohammadAG51, that'd be one big phone.23:28
DrGrovMohammadAG51: ah yes, you be my right hand in the progress? :D23:28
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: I bet you can enter arbitrary police station and rise a criminal investigation, as they basically are robbing some 20ct off every of their customers. There've been dudes doing time in jail for less23:28
MohammadAG51DrGrov, no :P23:28
jaemIsn't that one of the platforms the Symbian Foundation is porting to as a reference?23:28
DrGrovMohammadAG51: since I basically got two left hands23:28
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MohammadAG51I have two hands left23:28
MohammadAG51jaem, isn't the beagleboard small?23:29
MohammadAG51At least it looked small on the site23:29
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jaemMohammadAG51, Yes, but not /that/ small.23:29
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: You think the police will give any time for such accusations?23:29
* MohammadAG51 wants one23:29
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jaemMohammadAG51, then again... compared to *this* :D23:30
MohammadAG51quite cheap compared to the N900 tbh23:30
jaemMohammadAG51, I wouldn't mind one either.23:30
jaemThat reminds me...23:30
DrGrovI think I will go for a god damn Nokia 1100 or the old Cityman something brick phone23:30
DrGrovNo need for any serious malfunctions. The thing just works like it should.23:30
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: If you have a malware on your computer that does a money order off your account to some russian mafia, wouldn't they investigate that? no matter how high the amount of money?23:30
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: true, it is perhaps not about the money but about the principle of a committed crime.23:31
jaemDoes anyone know how complicated it would be to strip down Diablo to a (working) console + SSH?  I don't use my N810 for much more than reading eBooks these days, and it occurred to me that with its hardware (and without X and all that taking up resources) it might be useful for wearable computing projects.23:32
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: at least Nokia Care or what ever it is called these days will get a god damn call. I start with that23:32
jaeme.g. hook up some gear to the USB port, use the wireless capabilities, etc.23:32
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MohammadAG51according to wikipedia a beagleboard XM is planned23:34
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jaemAccording to Wikipedia, "Beagle-board" is a recognized "Computer Form Factor"23:35
jaemI have my doubts about that...23:36
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: google for help-on-homework or similar. The website asks for your tel number and addr, and then lets you enter the "FREE!" worthless main page. 4 weeks later 25 bucks are on your phone bill, for registering to 6 months of homework help. All those cases were going to court23:36
MohammadAG51i wonder23:36
MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer2, would it suffer from electromigration?23:36
MohammadAG51if it was overclocked23:36
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DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: or remember the infamous windows dialers from back the times when we all used dial up internet23:39
DocScrutinizer2internet access via 0900-xxxxxx for 4.99/min. Installed without you even noticing it23:40
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: ah yes, that is a similar case here. not about the same amount of money but still... principle is the same23:40
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DrGrovHow do I get the Conversations Inbox Widget working now with PR 1.2? I am in desperate need to get it working.... :/23:40
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DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: go to settings-MyNokia and hit "unregister" until it says it unregistered successfully. You'l hit that 4.99 figure easily, in less than 10 min23:42
DrGrovDocScrutinizer: ah ok, so they are actually ripping us off money then the sceamy bastards?23:42
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: you got any clues on that Conversations Inbox widget? I am trying but nothing :/23:43
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DrGrovIt seems like the version 1.1.1 is enough to get it working23:44
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DocScrutinizer2though it's yet unclear in which countries the SMS is a permium service SMS that will earn Nokia money, or if they simply got a deal with the carriers to get a certain amount for each SMS23:44
DocScrutinizer2DrGrov: no idea, sorry23:44
DrGrovDocScrutinizer2: no problem. i found on the maemo forum the solution :) it is version 1.1.1 that makes it automagically working :)23:45
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