IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2010-04-19

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fralsoh, MohammadAG_: is the config-dialog for apn settings filled in automatically? :P00:04
MohammadAG_when I restart it?00:04
fralswhen you into the configuration window whenever00:05
* cehteh calls MohammadAG_ 00:05
fralsor are they empty?00:05
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MohammadAG_yes, phone number and image width are saved00:05
MohammadAG_sa well as havoc00:05
fralsin the next one00:05
fralsif you press the big "Configure" button or whatever it says00:05
fralsnext to the APN label00:05
MohammadAG_frals, Configure doesn't output anything00:06
MohammadAG_it's just a big configure button00:06
fralsit doesnt open a new dialog?00:06
fralscan you run it from terminal and see what it says?00:06
MohammadAG_was about to do that :)00:06
MohammadAG_just ssh'ing as user00:06
MohammadAG_yep, there's an error00:07
SpeedEvilfrals: are more testers in the uk of use at this point?00:07
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fralsSpeedEvil: more testers are always welcome, but dont feel like you need to do it :)00:08
fralsMohammadAG_: whats the output of gconftool-2 -R /apps/fmms ?00:08
fralsMohammadAG_: remove the line that got your phonenumber in it ;)00:08
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MohammadAG_frals, lol idc if it gets shared :P00:09
MohammadAG_if someone calls I'll answer and make them pay their bills00:09
* MohammadAG_ laughs diabolically00:09
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fralsit mightve puked over the fact you had an MMS apn installed with fAPN and then removed it before launching the new fMMS version once00:09
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MohammadAG_frals, why'd you pick an N95 as the useragent?00:10
fralsits what worked for most people00:10
MohammadAG_why not something slightly more similar, like the N97?00:10
fralsbecause tmo usa shat all over n97 for some reason00:11
MohammadAG_oh right I forgot, the N900 imports FP1 settings00:11
MohammadAG_err FP1-like00:11
n900-dkDoes your volume button also work opposite, when in phone-mode? Volume up will be the normal volume down button for me..00:11
SpeedEviln900-dk: it's a feature00:11
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n900-dkSpeedEvil: not a bug?00:12
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MohammadAG_n900-dk, check the manual :)00:12
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n900-dkwho reads manuals :D00:12
SpeedEviln900-dk: everyone. (according to some at nokia)00:12
* MohammadAG_ read it in September00:12
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n900-dkok thx, thought it was a bug00:12
SpeedEvil(who are on the good drugs)00:12
RAAFATHi, all ... can you please tell me when  DHD is usually online ?00:13
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MohammadAG~seen DHD00:13
MohammadAGhey VDVsx00:13
SpeedEvildon't recall a DHD00:13
MohammadAGinfobot's dead00:13
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SpeedEvil2010-01-25.044203+0000GMT.txt:(08:38:52 PM) ***red is looking for someone who knows a thing or two about XML & DTD00:13
SpeedEvilis the sole mention00:13
n900-dkbut ok, if you have it in portraitmode, maybe it gives some kind of meaning.. Doesn't phone a lot :)00:13
SpeedEvil2010-04-18.114253+0100BST.txt:(07:41:13 PM) aDHD`tCz [] entered the room.00:14
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SpeedEvilsole mention of DHD00:14
RAAFATDHD is the possible mentor for Pocket Jeeves project which I am applying for in GSOC, and I want to talk to him :)00:14
MohammadAGIIRC, in C/C++, a // is a comment, # has a function00:15
MohammadAGam I right?00:15
SpeedEvilWhy is there a huge scrolly list of apps to update?00:16
SpeedEvil(when I go to update)00:16
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, cause the PR1.2 autobuilder issue was fixed00:16
SpeedEvilhave all the coders been especially busy this weekend?00:16
MohammadAGand most apps were rebuilt00:16
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MohammadAGyay I fixed the tetris thing00:19
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MohammadAGwith 0 C/C++ knowledge XD00:19
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fralsMohammadAG: ive tracked down the issue i think, bug in my code :p00:19
* MohammadAG squashes the bug with an angry bird00:20
MohammadAGfrals, I don't mind an early deb :P00:21
MohammadAGto test it :)00:21
fralsyeah just fixing it now00:21
MohammadAGI mean before you upload it to -devel00:21
fralsstill curious how that guy on tmo has managed to get his phone to reboot when starting fmms00:22
Wolfiespeaking of angry birds, anyone have an idea why Rovio still hasn't put their level pack up again?00:22
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MohammadAGfrals, might be a 32wd_to00:23
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|RWolfie: and while we're at it, where the the airport game go?00:23
fralsMohammadAG: whats the command to check bootreason again?00:23
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pupnikwe need a new airport game that randomly shuts down for days00:24
MohammadAGfrals, cat /proc/bootreason00:24
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hypofysehello, is this a place to ask help with my n900 ?00:28
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hypofysei have a problem with the maemo extras repository, hildon complains about an invalid gpg signature00:31
hypofysei have updated quite often already, did notice a duplicate extras entry that i removed, but that didn't help00:32
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pupnikhypofyse: i havent figured that one out00:37
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phreckdear pr1.2 feel free to show your face any time now.00:42
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wall[e]wacom stylus feel much better on N90000:49
wall[e]everytime i use it i really dont want to use n900's agains00:51
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ColdFyrewtf is that??00:51
N900evilcommon fake00:51
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ColdFyreit's a bad fake..fopr those know the screen is not 320x24000:53
ColdFyreis that a windows mobile screen superimposed?00:53
ColdFyrelooks like some poor sap bought one00:55
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MohammadAGColdFyre, looks Symbian-ish00:58
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N900evilwell - it is opensource :)00:59
MohammadAGwith a windows background LOL00:59
hypofysehmm added the key using gpg but that didn't fix it either01:00
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hypofysewhat to do...01:06
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* MohammadAG needs a quick tetris icon01:07
wall[e]anyone has example code for virtual input that work?01:09
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wall[e]i want a version that will show how precise you put finger over a button01:10
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MohammadAGfrals, is there a menu icon for fMMS?01:11
wall[e]like pressing over k will be faded by the pixel distance01:11
wall[e]from the center of k button01:11
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* MohammadAG wonders how to check for MMSs manually on symbian01:13
fralsmost likely not possible as thats not how it works really01:14
fralssame way you cant check for SMSs manually ;)01:14
MohammadAGhaven't received anything01:14
MohammadAGwell, nothing here01:14
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fralsMohammadAG: the 2nd configure dialog opens properly now?01:15
hypofyseanyone have an idea how to fix the gpg badsig e40dc434616730bd error with extras repository ?01:16
MohammadAGfrals, yep01:16
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fralsif bootreason says Vg_POw3801:25
fralswtf does that mean?01:25
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Portalfirehi, has anyone here made a desktop widget plugin?01:27
fralsN900evil: 0 hits!01:27
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N900evilread kernel?01:28
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fralsthat bootreason stuff seems to be maemo specific so not finding much01:31
MohammadAG<frals> if bootreason says Vg_POw3801:31
MohammadAGcorrupt bootreason file? :)01:31
MohammadAGask him if he oc'd it01:31
fralsits what the guy claiming fmms is crashing his phone gets01:31
MohammadAGyea, ask him if it's oc'd01:32
fralsya will do01:32
MohammadAGI think this warning should be adapted for overclocking PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't play with it unless you really know what you are doing01:32
cehtehhehe if you know what you are doing you wont try either :)01:33
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MohammadAGif you know what you're doing you wouldn't look at warnings :)01:33
* MohammadAG remembers day 1 of him unboxing the N900 and turning it on01:34
cehtehbtw what kernel does the mobile hotspot package install, own, one of t-tan's .. ?01:34
MohammadAG"It said something about not adding extras-devel cause it fills /, sounds exciting *adds repo*"01:34
cehtehi have devel and all stuff enabled ... but i consider me knowing enough about linux to know what i am doing ...01:35
cehtehand there are still bugs in userland which leave the device at 100% cpu01:35
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cehtehtogether with a oc kernel you will fry your device eventually01:35
cehtehsome may consider buying the next one in a few months .. but i buyed mine to last a few years01:36
MohammadAGcehteh, well I had some knowledge about linux (used it for 3 years before I got the N900), so I said what the heck and enabled them01:36
MohammadAGI reflashed on day 201:37
* cehteh uses linux for more than 10 years01:37
rm_youlol, the next one in "a few months"? >_>01:37
rm_youmore like next year sometime I'd guess....01:37
rm_youbut I suppose you never know01:37
cehtehthat included a replacement n900 ... :)01:37
* MohammadAG was 6 ten years ago01:37
cehtehbut i nokia somwhere told they will come up with another maemo (then meego) device this year01:38
rm_youyeah, MAYBE. <_<01:38
cehtehhehe :)01:38
rm_youthough i suppose the largest hurdles are over01:38
rm_youwell, nevermind, switch to Meego is one of those01:38
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cehtehcan only be better than meaemo5 .. except rpm01:39
* MohammadAG facepalms at the "I moved root" thread01:39
MohammadAGhe's like the guy who deleted /usr cause it had a lot of "useless" stuff01:40
rm_youyeah... rpm... blagh01:40
* rm_you sighs01:40
cehtehMohammadAG: haha01:40
hypofyseha, solved it01:40
hypofysestupid invalid domains01:41
* SpeedEvil nuked libc about a week after installing first linux.01:41
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cehtehis the maintainer of "Wizard Mounter" here on irc?01:46
cehtehthis tool would be useful if it would support sshfs :P01:46
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SpeedEvilFirst rule of wizard mounting - ensure he consents.01:50
BCMMhow can i transfer my PC's calendar to my n900?01:50
BCMMi use korganiser01:51
BCMMconfigured to keep everything in a single icalendar file01:51
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Gh0styis there any logical reason ...02:02
Gh0stywhy copying files to the n900 stops a while at 450MB? :/02:02
Gh0styit looks like it freezes at that point02:02
wall[e]BCMM: try any syncml solution?02:02
BCMMwhat's that?02:03
BCMMwall[e]: by the way, i've worked out how to import02:03
Gh0stycopying from an ubuntu 64 bit in storage mode ...02:03
BCMMbut a way to sync would be nice02:03
SpeedEvilGh0sty: particularly small files/02:03
wall[e]markup language02:03
SpeedEvilGh0sty: at that point02:03
BCMMi presume i can set things up so i don't have nasty issues if i've added events on teh desktop and on the n900?02:03
Gh0styits 3 large files and 4 smaller02:03
wall[e]BCMM: or may be you can try syncing pass google calendar first?02:04
Gh0stybut i also saw the FS is fat32 :/02:04
Gh0styis it possible to make 1 small fat 32 partition (say 4G)02:04
Gh0styand make the rest something else :p02:04
Gh0styXFS/ext3 or the likes ...02:04
wall[e]using something else not MfE coz I don't think that is stable02:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: oooh :-(02:05
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MohammadAGlol couldn't remember what the perl script you told me once was (the one to add spaces at each line)02:06
MohammadAGdid it manually anyways02:06
MohammadAGthanks DocScrutinizer :)02:06
DocScrutinizerperl script? sed ftw02:06
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* MohammadAG remembers it was perl02:07
DocScrutinizersed -c s/^/ /02:07
DocScrutinizeror almost like this02:07
MohammadAGthanks anyways :)02:07
wall[e]BCMM: i never try but may be you can look at syncevolution02:08
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wall[e]anything but MfE02:09
wall[e]it gave me a hard time using02:09
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wall[e]anyone is hacking modest?02:09
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG:   <DocScrutinizer>MohammadAG: cat myfile|sed 's/^/ /' >myfile_edited  04:0602:13
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MohammadAGthanks DocScrutinizer !02:15
MohammadAGlogs, why didn't I think of that02:15
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otuboHello friends, I am trying to debug and hack the maemo kernel on n900. I would like to confirm if I have to use bootmenu in order to test it without screwing the current one03:04
SpeedEvilkexec maybe?03:05
SpeedEvilI'm unsure if it's in a working state03:05
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MohammadAGJust compile an image and flash it. if sth goes wrong reflash the current kernel03:05
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otuboMohammadAG, yeah, good idea. Thanks :)03:07
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BCMMis there a way to keep track of how many minutes of phone calls i have used this month?03:10
BCMMi have found how to track data usage and text messages, but not minutes03:12
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BCMMah, can check in the phone app03:16
BCMMonly in totals since last reset though#03:16
BCMManybody know any way to reset that automatically at a certain day of the month, or even how to reset it in a program?03:16
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parimis maemo 5.0 ever going to ported to the N81003:37
rm_youMer :/03:38
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Gadgetoid_mbpparim: Maemo 5 is slow enough on the N900, why would you want it on the N810?03:40
parimi cant afford an N900 and i really like maemo 5.0 and i have a N810 and a N810 wimax03:42
parimwould love to try maemo 5.0 on one of them03:42
swc|666find / -name goodjob03:42
swc|666find / -name goodjob -exec apply {} \.03:43
Gadgetoid_mbpNot going to happen, unfortunately... and I can't see much benefit, apart from the finger-friendly widgets03:43
Gadgetoid_mbpAll the shiny UI transitions and prettyness just wouldn't translate to the N81003:44
Gadgetoid_mbpWait another 5 years and Mer might get there, ha!03:44
parimi personally dont like the n900 for the screen03:44
parimwhy did nokia go smaller on the screen03:44
Gadgetoid_mbpYeah, I don't like it being smaller... but it's necessary for a phone03:45
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Gadgetoid_mbpSee "sidetalkin"03:45
Gadgetoid_mbpThe N810 is just too big to be marketable as a phone03:45
parimi know,03:46
parimmay be nokia will make a 5" tablet on meego03:46
parimthat would amazing03:46
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DocScrutinizerwhy only 5' ?03:47
DocScrutinizernPad needs at least 8'03:47
Gadgetoid_mbpPfff, iPad ftw ;)03:47
microlithpast 5" and you start having a hard time putting it in your pocket03:47
cehtehrollable display ...03:47
Gadgetoid_mbpYou don't have a manbag?03:47
parimi agree with mictolith03:47
microlithGadgetoid_mbp: no, closest I get is a backpack, and I don't like dragging it with me unless I'm carrying a laptop03:48
DocScrutinizerand I sympathize with cehteh03:48
parimmay be they should do something like ancos and make a 5" 7" and 10" tablet on meego03:48
Gadgetoid_mbpI carry my 13" mbp, my N810 and my N900 everywhere... tablet isn't going to make much of an impression03:48
cehtehi have a 12" laptop and the n90003:49
microlithmy N900 has let me effectively retire my aspire one, which is on meego netbook duty from now on03:49
Gadgetoid_mbpAlthough if I hold out for the 3G iPad, folding it in 4 would be nice03:49
Gadgetoid_mbpThey folded it on YouTube... but it didn't work very well afterwards03:49
parimi  carry a N95 , n81 two n810 around all day03:49
DocScrutinizerrollout OLED on PVC03:49
Gadgetoid_mbpThe hitting it with a baseball bat might have had something to do with it03:49
microlithparim: two N810s? what on earthf or?03:50
Gadgetoid_mbpDUAL SCREEN!03:50
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DocScrutinizerdual screen is lame03:50
microlithsynced, for 3D03:50
Gadgetoid_mbpI want a Microsoft Courier.... in much the same way that I want a Starship Enterprise03:51
parimmicrolith one of them is a WImax and i get amazing wimax service in my city03:51
cehtehactually i want a matchbox (well maybe cigarette box) sized computer somewhere at the belt or in pocket and highres VR google (translucent) incuding a camera which serves for gesture recognition and virtual keybaord03:51
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parimmicrolint:i get 10mbps symmetric03:51
DocScrutinizercehteh: exactly03:51
Gadgetoid_mbpIf nobody could see what I was viewing on my computer display, I'd have a 24/7 boner03:52
cehtehmight look a little strange for a bystander but that would be awesome03:52
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DocScrutinizerplus a projector in the matchbox03:52
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cehtehmaybe, but not necessary03:52
DocScrutinizerif you need to share screen03:52
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Gadgetoid_mbpYeah... cehteh but the low level of situational awareness that an immersive VR computer would leave you, might have you jacking off at a bus stop..haai!03:53
cehtehwell laser projector, nothing less03:53
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cehtehGadgetoid_mbp: haha03:53
cehtehi guess my wife would complain :P03:53
Gadgetoid_mbpI already walk into lamp posts with my wits about me... I'd die if I had a VR computer03:54
parimhey guys one question, does any app on the N810 do video?03:54
Gadgetoid_mbpMplayer, parim?03:54
Gadgetoid_mbpI used to torrent TV down to my N810 and play it in mplayer03:54
parimno, video chat03:54
cehtehGadgetoid_mbp: ok for you some collision avoidance system :) .. with some zapping electrodes or so03:54
Gadgetoid_mbpYes and no... it's AWFUL03:54
Gadgetoid_mbpcehteh: that would be handy!03:54
DocScrutinizerGadgetoid_mbp: that's why the goggles are not only equipped with a microprojector, but also can darken selectively to create a black background for arbitrary parts of your view (and also make a really cool sunglasses)03:55
Gadgetoid_mbpDocScrutinizer: great for us geeks, I could have a black/white "CENSORED" sign over the sun at all times03:55
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parim Gadgetoid_mbp: any specific application that you think that comes to your mind?03:56
DocScrutinizerperfectly feasible03:56
cehtehsun allergy? .. whats sun?03:56
cehtehah a computer-brand buyed out by oracle03:56
DocScrutinizeraah, and of course don't forget the eyetracker03:56
Gadgetoid_mbpparim: I can't remember the name of it, but the video quality was utterly tragic03:56
Gadgetoid_mbpAhh, it would have been Gizmo I think03:57
parim Gadgetoid_mbp:i would love dump my N81 i just use it to do vidoe conference03:57
Gadgetoid_mbpparim: arbitrary thread regarding Gizmo here:
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Gadgetoid_mbpI got it working, but when I say the quality was tragic, I really, really mean it03:58
parimthe inbult sip client supports video.  it is pretty good over my local asterix server on wifi between two N81003:59
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DocScrutinizergizmo was crap every time I checked it04:00
cehtehanyone considered gesture recognition with the n900 front cam .. it sux but some broad gestures may work04:00
satmdsip video does not work on my n900 with a local asterisk even with videosupport=always04:01
DocScrutinizerbeen considered several times, even eyetracker04:01
cehtehshaking head, swoosh with a hand to some side or so04:01
Gadgetoid_mbpcehteh: flip it off, to make it shut down?04:01
lcuk"these are not the app functions you are looking for"04:01
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cehtehfor eyetracking the frontcam is certainly not useable04:01
cehtehGadgetoid_mbp: maybe :P04:02
DocScrutinizercehteh: yeah, prolly not04:02
cehtehand with the main cam .. how reliable can one measure distances with autofocus?04:02
cehtehthat would be a cool app too04:03
DocScrutinizercehteh: forget it04:03
cehtehat least in less than few meters range it should give some useable results04:03
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cehtehmatter of being able to read the servo out04:04
DocScrutinizerdoubt that04:04
DocScrutinizerno problem04:04
DocScrutinizerask SpeedEvil - he's been there04:04
cehtehhey i am talking about +/-10 cm04:04
DocScrutinizernooo way04:04
DocScrutinizernaybe 20cm +/- 10cm04:04
DocScrutinizerbut for sure not 1m +/-10cm04:05
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cehtehi think you may need calibrate it and then trigger a few autofocus aquisitions in a series and average the closest ones04:06
* DocScrutinizer thinks the autofocus is suboptimal at best04:06
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cehtehwell its sometimes slow on bad light and not always gets focus but when it gets it, its ok04:06
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cehtehand this short lenses need quite some sophisticated focus .. try to focus something 50cm away and then move the camera 5cm .. its out of focus soon04:07
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DocScrutinizerwell, there's some sysnode or the like to read out relative focus values04:08
DocScrutinizeryou might want to experiment with that04:09
SpeedEvilabout what?04:09
DocScrutinizerheh SpeedEvil04:09
DocScrutinizeryo da man04:09
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: how to read out autofocus?04:10
cehtehSpeedEvil: i was thinking about a distance-measuring app using autofocus ... acquire a dozen autofocus measurements, scratch the 2 biggiest and smallest and average the rest for example04:10
SpeedEviloh - right04:11
cehtehi wonder how precise that goes for shorter distances .. like measuring a room for example04:11
SpeedEvilI haven't looked closely at that04:11
SpeedEvilnot very04:11
SpeedEvilthe camera basically is a 2mp camera04:11
cehtehwell not very can still way better than human estimation04:11
SpeedEvillook at the lens diameter04:12
SpeedEvilIt's about ~1.8mm clear apature.04:12
DocScrutinizerbasically a hole camera04:12
cehtehbut exactly because of that the focus has to be more precise than a biggier one / longer focal length one04:12
SpeedEvilumm - no04:13
SpeedEvilthe opposite04:13
cehtehit has no much depth04:13
SpeedEvildraw out a cone from the camera to the object04:13
DocScrutinizerit's the apperture to sensor that matters04:13
DocScrutinizerapperture / sensor04:13
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SpeedEvilthis is the camera, when correctly focussed.04:13
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SpeedEvilthe camera can be moved back and forward around the point of focus, by an amount that is related to the optical resolution - without much change in the image04:14
cehtehanyways that was just an idea for a toy-app04:15
SpeedEvilIt'll work lots better at under a meter04:15
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DocScrutinizerjust test it, it's a 5liner script04:15
SpeedEvilI question if it'll work at all over - maybe - 2m04:15
DocScrutinizermy guess is 2m == infinite04:16
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cehtehdunno, i think it needs more distance, but never tried04:16
SpeedEvilWhere the resolution of the camera is equal to the lens diameter is an indicative point on depth of field04:16
SpeedEvilso for a 2mp camera with a 60 degree field of view, and a 1.8mm lens ~2m04:17
MohammadAGgnome-nettools compiled and running (with a crappy UI)04:18
MohammadAGas well as whois04:18
DocScrutinizerinfobot dead since 28h now ;-S04:19
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SpeedEvil!seen infobot04:22
MohammadAG* infobot :There was no such nickname :/04:22
cehtehbtw the 'tuner' app is nice .. is there also a beat-counter app?04:22
SpeedEvilI still haven't figured out how to get build-essential installed in the debian chroot04:22
cehtehi didnt found one, there is a metronome, never tried04:22
SpeedEvilcehteh: swipe-counter?04:23
MohammadAGoh ffs04:23
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cehtehmeans you have to tap with it, not from microphone04:23
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SpeedEvilthe right way for this to happen is for someone to implement accel-taps04:24
SpeedEvili got them showing up in /proc/interrupts fine once - but they diddn't appear in /dev/*/event*04:24
cehtehwell i mean analyzing played music acquired by the microphone or line in04:24
DocScrutinizerlis302 can detect taps and even doubletaps04:24
cehtehonly as tap happend or also direction?04:25
DocScrutinizererr, you can switch off certain axes04:25
SpeedEviltap happened I think04:26
SpeedEviland that04:26
SpeedEvilsome accels can do multi-directional tap detection04:26
SpeedEvilwhih would be lovely04:26
SpeedEvilbut if you can wake up fast enough, you can sense the last bit of the tap for direction04:27
DocScrutinizeror you just read out continuously04:27
DocScrutinizerand kill you bat04:27
cehtehwould be nice if that is completely in hardware04:28
DocScrutinizerIRQ on tap and on doubletap is completely lis302 hw04:28
DocScrutinizerI'm not sure if it stores the triggering values to some register04:29
DocScrutinizercan't remember to be precise04:30
pupnik_i hope next device doesnt have so many hiccups with transitions and audio playback.  why is cpu needed for mp3 in 2010 anyway04:30
ShadowJKit's not CPU starvation04:30
DocScrutinizerwhat else if not cpu?04:31
ShadowJKit has really tiny buffers04:31
DocScrutinizererr mp3-IO04:31
SpeedEvilIt'd be nice if the DAC could just get together with the DMA unit, and have the CPU entirely shut off04:31
pupnik_aha ty!04:31
SpeedEvilSo you decode at full blast for a second doing 30s of mp3, then go to sleep04:32
DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I'd think that could be feasible04:32
ShadowJKI've never had skips when IOWAIT has been 004:32
SpeedEvilwith current hw - or in principle?04:32
DocScrutinizerwith current hw04:32
ShadowJKall the skipping has happened when IOWAIT has been in double digits04:32
SpeedEvilideally you'd want a mp3 player chip that coult take scatter gather lists from the SD and mmc04:33
SpeedEvilbut that would be mostly overkill04:33
pupnik_still a cool way04:33
DocScrutinizerespecially since that is a cpu as well then04:33
ShadowJKprobably the decoded buffer and/or the player gets swapped out at times :)04:34
SpeedEviland as it's - typically - not a fine pitch geometry chip - it may even not be more power efficient04:34
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ShadowJKit'd probably need a 10 second buffer04:36
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DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: if I ever got an idea of ALSA, I'd say the buffersize and IRQ period you specify to aplay, those are exactly about DMA and reducing/specifying the amount of cpu wakeups05:37
SpeedEviland where does pulseaudio come in? ;)05:37
DocScrutinizerbest nowhere ;-P05:38
SpeedEvilI've not really looked hard at the constraints of various functional blocks, and when they can be powered down.05:39
SpeedEvilWay too many pages.05:39
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SpeedEvilAnyway - going to sleep - night05:39
SpeedEvilmissed the iridium flare I was sort-of staying up for.05:39
SpeedEvilbe another along tomorrow05:40
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opdf2anyone not use a screen protector? ive screen protected all my phones, but this is my first touch05:54
opdf2not sure how it would affect05:54
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ShadowJKI'm using the 3M vikuiti one05:55
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ShadowJKdon't notice any difference to touch sensitivity05:55
ShadowJKI'm told some people notice difference with invisible shield and other thick protectors05:56
ShadowJKand others dont notice05:56
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opdf2i see06:00
opdf2ive only used martin fields on my other phones06:00
opdf2maybe i'll try vikuiti06:00
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cehtehthere are some rubbery ones, doesnt affect sensitivity much but the feel is still bad06:06
cehtehvikuiti is fine i have one too06:06
cehtehanti-glare .. the outer layer now becoming a little speckled but barely noticeable06:07
cehtehand the protector has already a few scratches .. good to have it06:07
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opdf2hmm looks like i'll get vikuiti. Any good USA vendors?07:06
opdf2i would go to protectionfilms but they're from europe07:07
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opdf2looks like my only choice is ship from amazon uk07:42
Robot101Stskeeps: did you get stuck in SFO?07:42
StskeepsRobot101: no, i was lucky to not go07:42
StskeepsRobot101: i do have a nordic travel in 36 hours i doubt i'll be going on though :)07:43
Robot101oh, thought you were there for some reason :)07:43
Stskeepstoo busy creating the future instead of talking about it ;)07:44
* Stskeeps ponders to make coffee07:44
Robot101well, I missed over 50% of the conference meeting with clients who could directly use or help us contribute to MeeGo too07:45
Robot101so it wasn't just hot air for me either. well, it was, but, it was more productive hot air. :)07:45
Stskeepsyeah - i'm not saying it isn't productive. i really have good hopes for meego, really hoping i won't be disappointed by the day to day operations though07:45
Stskeepsmassive challenge to run an actual open project07:46
Stskeepsbut with a lot of different contributors and companies and clients, secrecy and NDAs simply doesn't scale in a project like this, so :)07:48
Robot101I wasn't saying you were, but there /was/ an element of unproductive hot air at the conference07:48
Robot101stuff like chris di bona's talk was just 1 hour of noise basically, saying nothing, then google thumbing their noses at the linux foundation by giving android handsets away07:49
Robot101but that's ok, if android drivers get merged to the mainline kernel, a meego port will be easy07:49
Stskeepsarm ports of meego is damn easy at the moment07:49
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Robot101yeah you just can't light up any of the hardware in the N1 - touchscreen, LCD, power management, etc, without the android kernel patches and wakelock and suchlike07:50
Robot101so it wouldn't be a true meego port, just a mashup07:50
Robot101might be some cheesy PR in it though :P07:50
Robot101anyway, time to sleep07:51
* Robot101 waves07:51
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slingrmy birthday is coming up soon07:56
slingri'm going to ask for PR1.207:57
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MiXu-I tried that already, didn't work.07:59
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Macerthats a bitch08:04
slonopotamusslingr: what's so great in pr1.2?08:04
slingrwhat is?08:05
Maceri was trying to order an n900 from dell08:05
Macerand their payment processing server messed up and is dead or something08:05
slingrslonopotamus there are a few features I really like... mostly i'm just looking at it as an opportunity to flash/format my phone entirely and start fresh08:05
Macerah well. i will try again later.08:05
slingraww macer08:06
slingrwhat price is dell selling it for today08:06
slonopotamusslingr: features like what?08:06
slingrgoogle the changelog08:07
slonopotamusslingr: changelog doesn't say what few features you like.08:07
slingri agree08:07
slingri just can't find the site I was looking at the other day that introduced me to PR1.208:08
slingrit had the features nicely listed, changelog is well.. changelog format08:08
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slingri've been having troubles installing apps recently which is how i found out about pr1.2  seems some devs are already updating repo's with pr1.2 apps and 1.1 apps are failing to install :(08:09
slackmagicslingr: something like this maybe?
slingrahh foundit08:09
slingryeah i was looking at thenokiablog site08:09
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slingri really like that the back button actually function as a back button08:09
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slingri found it odd and annoying it opens up a history08:10
slingrinstead of going back08:10
* slonopotamus just uses backspace for that08:10
slingrrearrangable menu is nice08:10
* RST38h yawns08:10
slonopotamuscatorise is nicer :)08:10
MiXu-slingr: The back button is nice08:10
slonopotamusRST38h: morning08:10
slingrslonopotamus, you've obviously had much more experience with the phone than i have08:11
MiXu-But the biggest reason for wanting to get pr1.2 is Qt4.608:11
MiXu-for me08:11
slingri'm really looking forward to becoming a full poweruser of this device08:11
RST38hOk, short question: When ROM selection fails at the start of the emulation, I can show the error message using Maemo notification, *or* I can use my own oldskool one. Which one should I use?08:11
slingri like that as well MiXu-08:11
slingrwhen I get comfortable enough08:11
slingrI would like to start developing08:11
MiXu-slonopotamus: In case you don't have the keyboard out, it's a bit awkward to have to open it to get back to the previous page08:11
RST38hmoorning, heffalump08:13
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Proteouswhat do heffalumps and woozles eat?08:18
Proteousanything they can find08:19
Proteouswhat if they can't find anything?08:19
Proteousthen they eat something else.08:19
RST38hThe answer is rather obvious, isn't it?08:19
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crashanddie_crashanddie: eh? What the hell are you doing here?08:39
NuD1t7do I need to get worried when yhe updatelog is full of: apt-worker: Ignoring version from wrong domain: appname08:40
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NuD1t7in the beginning of log : Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG blaablaacode Extras repositories etc etc08:42
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NuD1t7this just normal logcrap or has my n900 gone hippytrip?08:43
Macerslingr: 50008:45
Macerwell.. 499 if you believe in marketing the $108:45
Macersucks that the sale didnt go through08:46
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slingrwell if you want it that badly08:46
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slingrpay $18 more and get it from newegg08:46
slingror walmart08:47
slingrfor $51608:47
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Macerno way08:49
Macernewegg i cant stand08:49
Macerand walmart.... i hate almost as much :)08:50
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Maceri will try dell again later. i am not home now so maybe it was my g1. unfortunaytely where i am i disnt bring my laptop so meh. the n900 can wait.08:51
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mecewhat's newegg?08:57
LiraNunaI hate it when I connect to Facebook chat from my phone, it re-adds the contacts even if I already have them merged into an existing contact09:03
LiraNunais there a bug report for that so I can follow up on it?09:03
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LiraNunaif there isn't, I'll open one09:03
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opdf2Is there a battery usage difference btw the Media Player and mplayer?09:07
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opdf2playin xvid encoded avi09:07
timeless_mbpfrals: fMMS broke my internet09:10
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crashanddie_slingr: why do they say "Unlocked ... for AT&T" ?09:14
slingrbeats me09:14
slingrmost stores like such have no idea about the product they are selling09:15
slingrI think maybe "unlocked" is becoming a buzz word in the mobile phone industry09:15
slingrunlocking my gf's Cliq yesterday proved to be a tough task09:16
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slingrnot the task itself, but the obtaining of the code09:16
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* Stskeeps wonders if he has to be checked in for his flight in order to get it rebooked09:21
crashanddie_slingr: I read that as "unlocking my gf's clit yesterday proved to be a tough task"09:21
crashanddie_Stskeeps: no09:21
Stskeepsie, this is a bit special situation since i'll know 6 hours in advance it'll be cancelled09:22
crashanddie_just call them now and ask for rebooking -- no fees considering they cancelled09:22
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Stskeepsyeah, i know09:23
crashanddie_make sure to rebook ASAP, or else you're going to be stuck with all the crappy flights09:23
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slingrI told her to buy the Cliq and when it arrived I tried the regular means we have here for unlock codes (internet, chinese market, etc)09:24
slingrthen i read a bit more and found out t-mobile replaces the factory unlock code with their own09:24
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slingrluckily i found my t-mobile sim that I use for when I travel to the states and was able to use my account to get an unlock code from t-mobile directly09:25
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ShadowJKBuying cellphones from operators is like buying stuff in bags from people on the street - you're never quite sure what kind of shit you're getting09:26
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meceis there a twitpic sharing account plugin or does one have to use pixelpipe for that?09:43
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noobmonk3yno idea :(09:47
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vilinyHello :)09:47
vilinyI just ordered a mugen 2400mAh battery - anyone have experience on that?09:48
vilinydoes the device get confused with the lack of a slide thingie on the camera?09:48
timeless_mbpviliny: it's been mentioned here before09:48
timeless_mbpyou should be able to read the channel logs09:48
crashanddie_viliny: as long as the magnet/system is there to tell the device the cover is on, should be no issue09:49
vilinyokay, i'll do that timeless_mbp - first time i get forwarded to logs on a irc channel though :)09:49
ShadowJKviliny: MicroSD card doesn't work with it09:50
ShadowJKdue to missing magnet09:50
ShadowJKthey promised a new back cover a few weeks ago09:50
vilinycrashanddie: okay, but how exactly do you tell it when it should act as the cover is open and when not to? i understood the back cover they ship has just a hole for the camera09:50
ShadowJKCamera works because N900 thinks there is no back cover09:51
vilinyMicrosd functionality is tied to a magnet?09:51
Stskeepsback cover being on or off09:51
Stskeepsthe sd is inaccessible in kernel depending on that09:51
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crashanddie_viliny: open x terminal, and type "dmesg", then  open the back cover, and type "dmesg" again.09:52
Stskeepsis possible to hack, but hmm09:52
vilinyah i see... but you could modify the kernel though?09:52
crashanddie_you'll see there's a message saying "Cover open, usd unmounted", or some of the likes09:52
vilinyim already running lehtos kernel :)09:52
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ShadowJKSome people have gutted earbuds for a magnet and glued it to inside of the cover, and then added a white strip of adhesive tape or similar so thatt the infrared cmera cover sensor thinks camera door is open09:53
ShadowJKI also recommend you boot your N900 with the mugen battery at 18C temperature or so, makes the battery meter slightly less useless ;)09:54
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ShadowJK(if you boot with warm battery the batterymeter shows 100% constantly until it shows 0%)09:56
crashanddie_after you've booted at 18.2 degrees C, you need to rotate the N900 to make sure it's lined up with the Sun-North Pole line, in order to get the bestest results and charge times09:56
crashanddie_Other than that and the fact you can use this battery anywhere near an aircraft as this one actually interferes with the bomb detectors, you should be fine.09:57
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ShadowJKthe ideal temp is probably lower, but 18-20 seems realistic. Pocketwarm gives 100-0 syndrome ;p09:58
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vilinyi need to keep my phone as a specific temperature to make the meter work and airport security will go ballistic on me?09:59
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ShadowJKno you just need to turn it on at a not-too warm temp09:59
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ShadowJKthey put a temperature sensor in it, and n900 isn't expecting a temperature sensor10:00
meceNoobmonk3y, well turns out pixelpipe works quite smoothly, so no need.10:00
noobmonk3yyeah i need to sort my ppipe out10:00
noobmonk3ykeeps dumping new photos in new albumns10:01
noobmonk3yhave about 200 albums on facebook now10:01
crashanddie_viliny: airport security will go ballistic on you. No way a phone can  be that thick ;)10:01
mecenoobmonk3y, I just put twitpic as default, so I'll only use pp for twitpiccing, and ovi share for other photo sharing.10:01
crashanddie_I'm going to set an autokick for people who use the word "facebook"10:01
noobmonk3ymeh... i'll organize myself one day!10:02
mececrashanddie_, here?10:02
noobmonk3ycrashanddie, go facebum yourself ;)10:02
mecehehe well /kick crashanddie_10:02
crashanddie_noobmonk3y: ?10:02
meceyou're the only one I've seen using it.10:02
noobmonk3ymorning :D10:02
crashanddie_mece: <noobmonk3y> have about 200 albums on facebook now10:02
crashanddie_you need glasses, mate10:03
mecestill.. reminds me of...10:03
noobmonk3ycrashanddie, forced me to use it honest, was against my will.....10:03
noobmonk3yshit.... work... late!10:03
fralstimeless_mbp: how?10:03
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* noobmonk3y waves @ frals n runs to work10:03
crashanddie_mece: no youtube for me at work :(10:04
meceoh.. well it's the stoning from life of brian. "now you said it!"10:04
timeless_mbpfrals: something added a network to my networks for mms10:04
crashanddie_mece: yeah, but I'm the op, so I'm excluded :)10:04
timeless_mbpand when i tried to open a web page, my device connected to the mms network instead of elisa internet10:04
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pv2bi'm writing an application that I want to be able to keep the screen "tappable" at all times, but the display backlight should still turn off after a period of inactivity. how would I prevent the device from "locking itself" after a timeout like this?10:04
mececrashanddie_, well the "OP" get's stoned in that one :)10:05
noobmonk3ypv2b, dbus daemon maybe?10:05
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timeless_mbpfrals: as a result, i couldn't browse, use MfE or connect to skype/gtalk/etc10:05
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crashanddie_mece: I don't do stoning10:05
fralstimeless_mbp: blame the GPRS guys... not my fault ;) if you change connection mode to Havoc it will hide the connection from the rest of the system10:05
MacerA technical problem occurred and your request cannot be processed. Please try again later.10:05
mecepv2b, well it does that if you leave the keyboard open, so I guess it's doable :)10:05
Macerwow. i guess dell really is messed up10:05
mececrashanddie_, no, but you do proverbial stonings :)10:05
Macerthats the 2nd time i tried to oreder an n90010:05
Macerthought the first time was a fluke10:06
pv2bmece: oh? that's interesting. i might just simply save myself the effort and make that the "suggested usage mode" ;-)10:06
timeless_mbpfrals: your default settings need to be safe10:06
timeless_mbpyour current settings clearly aren't10:06
mecepv2b, it only stays like that for a while though10:06
Macerguess the gods dont want me to buy an n90010:06
Macerah well haha10:06
timeless_mbpfrals: do you have a bug filed?10:06
Maceri just got couches for 1,200 anyways10:06
pv2bnoobmonk3y: is that the same as gconf?10:07
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Macerstrange that a phone which is tiny costs almost half of a fiant leather sofa and love seat10:07
povbotBug 9476: Only 1 APN connection is shown in 'Connect automatically' setting10:07
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pv2bok. just for disclosure, i'm writing myself a "talking clock" application. it's basically just one big button on the screen that will speak the current time. and... well.. the last thing I want for my users (myself among others ;) ) to have to do is to fumble around entering the device lock code just to hear the current time spoken.10:08
meceWhy am I not stuck in San Francisco?10:09
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Stskeepsbecause you're on aabo?10:10
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timeless_mbpfrals: let's see if we can get you guys need10:12
meceis it safe to play N900fly with the ash cloud up there?10:13
fralstimeless_mbp: it would be much appreciated :)10:13
ShadowJKmece: you'll get scratches on the screen10:13
vilinythanks for the mugen feedback you all :)10:13
ShadowJKviliny: it actually IS 2400mAh too :-)10:14
meceShadowJK, Yeah, and ash in my... erm,... lenscoversliderparts10:14
ShadowJKNot like those 1000mAh batteries on ebay with "1930 mAh GOLD" label on them :P10:14
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vilinyShadowJK: something to comfort me when i sit in a freezer booting my phone whilst receiving a cavity search from airport security :)10:14
meceis the mugen battery gigantic?10:15
viliny7mm thicker back if i remember correctly mece10:15
mece2400mah would give quite a nice standby time I think.,. It's the really expensive one, right?10:15
vilinymy first though was... does it provide a better feel when typing? i mean i could use some extra ooomph on the backside for a better grip personally10:15
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viliny87 dollars at the moment i think10:16
meceyeah. Would be nice, but I'm ok with the original one.10:16
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ShadowJKOh the cover is kinda rubbery when compared to the original, there's certainly more grip10:17
vilinyyeah, the original one isn't as bad as i was let on10:17
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vilinynice ShadowJK - pöaying pokemon kind gives me a cramp because i have to keep my hand tense to not drop the thing :)10:17
mecewhoa.. oveclocking thread over 2k posts!10:18
meceerr 3k10:18
ShadowJKwell now that I touch it it actually feels identical to the original10:18
vilinymece: week of 900mhz and zero problems - i recommend it whole-heartedly :)10:18
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meceviliny, perhaps some day, but I was just fascinated by the amount of posts. I guess the signaltonoise ratio is pretty bad though.10:18
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vilinysignal to noise ratio?10:20
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ShadowJKYeah, last time I checked it was A: here's a 900MHz kernel B: thanks! C: thanks! D: help where is the 900 megahurtz kernel I looked EVERYWHERE E: me too! F: yeah why do they have to hide them, so frustrating! nokia sucks! G: look up a few posts ffs H: how do I do that im no computer xpert10:21
ShadowJKthis repeated atleast 20 times and that was when it was 1,500 posts10:21
Termanaviliny: Yes, signal to noise ratio. The amount of interesting information vs the amount of shit spewing out of peoples mouth.10:22
vilinyhehe yeah10:22
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vilinyTermana: i thought that something along the lines of overclocking distorting phone calls or something... got my head up in tech :)10:22
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Termanaviliny: heh :P10:22
lupine_85someone should release a 2GHz kernel and leave the really daft ones to their smoking hulks of plastic10:22
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ZogG_N900hey everybody10:22
vilinyToo bad flashed doesn't work on w7 64 though... and FYI running xp in a sunbox virtual machine on that same host doesn't work either.10:23
vilinyso i ended up going all phone10:23
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ZogG_N900i don't even have windows10:23
* ShadowJK wonders if there's a rc heli channel on freenode10:24
vilinyi have like 8 osses on various devices with mint, debian and ubuntu being the majority, and w7 on machines that i expect to provide gaming10:24
ZogG_N900rc heli?10:24
vilinyradio controlled10:24
ZogG_N900i do not play10:24
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vilinyi shouldn't either10:25
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ZogG_N900almost nolt10:25
ZogG_N900wine is enuf10:25
ZogG_N900and i bought ps3 anyway10:25
ZogG_N900for gow 310:25
* ShadowJK plays flightgear in linux10:25
vilinyi don't like consoles one bit - preference really10:25
ZogG_N900anyaway i don't like ubuntu either10:26
* ZogG_N900 is proud gentoo user10:26
vilinyi tried going gentoo BEFORE i knew jack about unix - that left me scarred to this day :)10:26
ZogG_N900ubuntu is good for bringing attention but sometimes it's too much10:26
vilinyread the guide now at my older days and still feel like id rather study to be an astronaut as that would be less trouble :P10:27
ZogG_N900viliny gentoo is my first distro :)10:27
JaffaMorning, all10:27
fralsmorning Jaffa o/10:27
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ZogG_N900i annoyed a lot of people that day i decided to switch to linux10:28
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ZogG_N900viliny actually it's not that hard as it seems10:28
vilinyadvantages of gentoo zog? i have my laptop rinsed out from the previous osses as i resetted the unncessery fake raid it had going on for the sake of less mental detoriation when doing grub :)10:28
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vilinyyou pretty much install the whole thing manually and just compile it bit by bit as you go?10:29
ZogG_N900making coffee and switching to desktop10:29
Appiahgentoo has a package manager10:29
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Appiahdownloads source and compiles10:30
vilinyokay? .deb based distros seem to have the advantage of more available software... right?10:30
vilinyoh thats cool10:30
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ZogGviliny, i'm back here10:35
vilinycool, wb :)10:35
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vilinyah heh, just understood you were on phone10:36
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ZogGyeah i woke up and was lazy to get out of bed10:36
ZogGanyway i'll tell you like that10:36
ZogGif you want to learn and you have time - gentoo is good choice10:36
ZogGit will help you to understand a lot of things in linux10:37
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vilinywell im going to be a student again soon so i might have some time for such things :)10:38
ZogGand you will have a lot of problems you wouldn't know to solve10:38
ZogGbut fuinally you'll configurate it and everything you would need - is update once in several days ( you can use cron) and just use it as it is with no problems10:38
ZogGi like gentoo very much10:39
vilinyyes, ok. But what is your sales pitch for ubuntu over the debian based ones? i mean, you get to go down and dirty on the smallest things isn't exactly inviting at this point :)10:39
vilinyeh sorry ubuntu = gentoo10:40
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ZogGsometimes i help people with other os like ubuntu and so on and i find myself lost cause i used to gentoo - so all these friendly UI is bullsh*t  - the important thing is what you are used to10:40
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vilinyyeah :)10:40
ZogGviliny, let's say - you have on computer exactly what you set up10:41
vilinyi find myself going under the hood constantly already with the ones i use10:41
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vilinyis it much faster with everything compiled to your machine?10:41
ZogGbtw gentoo one of the linuxes with bigest docs =)10:41
vilinyi hear people saying this but is it like... actually worth it? :)10:41
ZogGviliny, i think it is10:42
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vilinyi have to give it a try... with the amount of machine i have it really shouldn't be a problem experimenting with this10:42
vilinymaybe even run it in a virtual machine here at work when i get bored :)10:42
loft306and you lear quicker on it .. by force10:42
koala_manviliny: no, absolutely not. there are some good reasons for source based package management, but speed isn't one10:42
vilinyrunning mint on a vm here to chat as well10:42
ZogGi want to switch to Arch on laptop due lack of use of it and proxy that block everything actually when i do use it at work. but desctop only gentoo10:43
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vilinyi do like doing manual tasks but theres a fine line between having control and terrible inconvinience :/10:43
ZogGviliny, it only looks like that10:44
ZogGit's not that hard10:44
ZogGi'm really dumb person and even i have it10:44
vilinyi just remember seeing the guide and going "uh-oh" :)10:44
loft306and it dosse the compiling for you10:44
loft306you just need time or a fast box10:44
ZogGviliny, it's only first times - after that you just do it quick and easy as you understand what which command actually does10:45
vilinyill read up on it, thanks a lot guys :)10:45
loft306if you h8 waiting10:45
vilinyi hate waiting but i love watching stuff compile so....10:45
ZogGif you need any help you can ask right away and there are a lot of gentoo chans on freenode10:45
ZogGlike gentoo-es gentoo-de and so on in any language you speak =)10:46
vilinyi bet there is - i'll stop hijacking the maemo channel for gentoo now though :) not that anyones using it for that purpose right now but still10:46
loft306stay away from the main gentoo channel... its a zoo10:46
vilinyin the end, it's all a big family between distros, right? :)10:46
ZogGviliny, you don't really wait to much - you can install also binary on gentoo btw but it lose the point10:47
ZogGi compile even Oo10:47
vilinyaye, i don't want that10:47
vilinykoala said that speed isn't really an advantage here though... thats a pity10:47
ZogGspeed is10:47
vilinyheh, flightgear reminds me of old amiga and early pc flight simulators... i played the heck out of A-10 cuba in the days :)10:48
ZogGstarting with kernel that is built exactly for your machine on your processor10:49
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vilinyaye that really DOES sound it should make it much better10:49
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ZogGand package manager is the easiest i think10:49
ZogGas you can have local portage with your own ebuild is pretty good =)10:49
vilinystandard 20-30 hour installation - holy crap...10:49
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vilinyportage and ebuild don't ring a bell for me10:50
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ZogGviliny, it's not - it's like 1-2 hours maybe and than you just leave it compiling X and all packages you want for a night10:50
vilinyfor a night? wow :P10:50
ZogGbecause working machine =! machine with X =)10:50
ZogGi do like that10:51
ZogGi boot from ubuntu10:51
ZogGset partitions10:51
ZogGmount them10:51
ZogGchroot in them10:51
* loft306 builds the base system then kernel then boots into its own kernel then build x if needed10:51
ZogGloft306, same here10:51
vilinychroot? i see that used and have used chroot for various things but im not sure i fully grasp what it's all about10:52
ZogGafter chroot i download base and portage npack it10:52
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ZogGcompile the base things and build kernel10:52
ZogGthat all i need10:52
loft306yeep on mast machines.. then one with x for my eye candy10:53
ZogGreboot - voulya and you have ubuntu running in a meantime10:53
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loft306build it on another part from the running ubuntu10:53
vilinyim already a bit overwhelmed - theres a lot of keywords thrown around here and in the guide that im not really sure about10:53
ZogGi'm thinking to try gentoo on n900 as it ported to arm10:53
vilinyand im not exactly sure what you use ubuntu for here - apart from partitioting10:54
loft306read the gentoo handbook10:54
ZogGviliny, there is GUI installion of gentoo but it sucks and never works for me =)10:54
ZogGviliny, okay let's help you step by step10:54
loft306stay away from the install cd10:54
vilinyim at work right now but i'll appear on the gentoo channel once i decide to tackle this one :)10:55
ZogGwhat box you have x64 or x32?10:55
vilinyx64 intel10:55
vilinyan asus g50vt was what i had in mind10:55
ZogGso you boot from ubuntu x6410:55
loft306  top of the page handbook10:55
ZogGat the begining you can use basic make.config with basic keywords10:56
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ZogGanytime you change you can recompile whole world10:56
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ZogGworld is packages you have installed10:56
vilinyso portage is a package manager10:56
loft306  install from an existing linux system <<10:57
Appiahlike BSD10:57
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ZogGloft306 meh, he needs quick x86 installiton guide10:57
ZogGi always use that10:57
loft306i do it from memory10:57
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loft306 quick ... but change some things up for x86_6410:58
loft306mainnly the keyword10:58
vilinytarget laptop:
loft306and other in make.conf10:59
loft306breakies time10:59
ZogGloft306, i did as i played with it a lot - for now i haven't done it for a year at list10:59
ZogG 0- from preparing disk is fine10:59
vilinyi need to head out for lunch for an hour :)10:59
loft306i havent build a new system in so long like 4 years when i put this box together10:59
ZogGokay - so anyway you have me and loft30611:00
vilinyi'll get back on this in an hour - thanks a lot for the links and advice :) i guestimate i might be running gentoo in a week ^^11:00
KhertanHi !11:00
loft306though fixed it  a few times when i thought it was beyound repair11:00
vilinyHello Khertan11:00
* noobmonk3y w000ps11:00
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ZogGloft306, last time i did it i merged from 32 to 64 bit system11:04
ZogGand i tried to upgrade (u can't upgrade but i tried to still leave all the stuff i had) so i srewed up and i used a hacks =) was missing some packages11:05
ZogGit was wierd11:05
fralsStskeeps, you ever heard of a bootreason being "Vg_POw38"?11:05
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ZogGcouldn't compile something that i need to set up other stuff11:05
ZogGit was dependies loop11:05
ZogGsolved it by coping from other box and than recompiling it11:06
Stskeepsfrals: if i was drunk and had to type sw_rst3211:06
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ZogGloft306, what you think about gentoo on n900 ?11:06
fralssome guy claiming fMMS reboots his device on launch gets that as bootreason i cant find what it means anywhere >_<11:06
ZogGnew one?11:07
loft306no idea11:07
ZogGi'm so tired of people posting threads about pr1.211:07
loft306but dont they have ssome prepriatary parts to the  software11:07
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loft306that is stock11:08
loft306 or is that seperate area?11:08
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loft306bbr food11:08
ZogGloft306, but can't you just install them as you install nvidia drivers for example?11:09
noobmonk3yfrals: I've been looking into boot reason, reasons! and never heard of that one!11:09
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loft306i dont know im not that deep on maemo11:09
ZogGme too11:09
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fralscheers noobmonk3y11:10
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ZogGinstalling sc2 via wine11:10
loft306oh damn.. puter parts not getting here till tomarrow and friday11:10
noobmonk3yThats an odfd one - because there isn't a sane list with descriptions anywhere, not to say it doesnt exist, its just never been reported anywhere11:10
ZogGhad it for a while never tried11:10
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ZogGdoes wallpapers on maemo support gif?11:18
mecetest it11:19
ZogGand i would =P11:19
noobmonk3ywhat OMAP thingy has the N900 got (Processor i assume?)11:20
timeless_mbpi'd hope so, although gifs aren't really a good choice for wallpaper11:21
timeless_mbpnoobmonk3y: have you considered asking wikipedia? :)11:21
* noobmonk3y blinks11:21
noobmonk3ygood point11:21
noobmonk3yOMAP 3430 ARM Cortex A8 ty11:21
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lcuktimeless_mbp, gif wallpaper is a cool idea11:22
lcukcolor cycling fractal backgrounds without wasting cycles :D11:22
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timeless_mbpyou're assuming that somehow you can usefully do that11:22
floriangood morning11:22
lcukindeed timeless_mbp11:23
lcukmornin florian \o11:23
meceyes gifs work *tested*11:23
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ZogG_N900did anyone try xchat on maemo?11:23
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lcukdo they animate11:23
lcukZogG_N900, yes11:23
meceoh. right taht would be cool!11:23
lcukand lots11:23
ZogG_N900tab is not working11:23
lcukwheres the tab key?11:23
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mecectrl-i perhaps?11:23
meceor what do you mean?11:24
ZogG_N900lcuk fn+backspace11:24
fralsshift space or smth in xchat nick completes11:24
ZogG_N900lcuk, oh11:24
ZogG_N900now it woks11:24
mecedidn't know that.11:24
lcuk+1 resolved11:24
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timeless_mbpat some point, *someone* has to actually apply the colorspace change11:24
ZogG_N900it's easy for autocomplete nicknames11:24
timeless_mbpthe screen itself isn't a GIF rendering surface11:24
ZogG_N900mece, it's easy in term ans xchat11:25
ZogG_N900easy = usefull11:25
lcuktimeless_mbp, yeah11:26
lcukwazd was asking yesterday11:26
lcukhe wants matrix characters11:26
ZogG_N900live wallpaper is nice but useless and would end your batteries imo11:26
lcukand changing a palette is less bandwidth than changing the data it was asked if that was possible11:26
ZogG_N900so it would be cool just to have gifs as wallpaper11:26
lcukZogG_N900, then only run busy ones when charging/sat at desk11:26
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lcukit doesnt make it useless11:26
timeless_mbplcuk: you're assuming there's a palette somewhere...11:26
timeless_mbpthe rendering surface is not 256-palettized11:27
meceantway, it does not animate gifs.11:27
lcuktimeless_mbp, gif is paletted - whether the x11 mode supported it was the question11:27
ZogG_N900lcuk, u can always have widget with daytime11:27
timeless_mbplcuk: gif is, but our x11 display is 16bits11:27
lcukZogG_N900, your live background could potentially just refresh once every hour with some stuff11:27
lcukit doesnt have to be busy live11:27
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lcuktimeless_mbp, yup11:27
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timeless_mbpso someone gets to convert from palettized gif to 'normal' 16 bits11:28
timeless_mbpwhich means you immediately lose your imaginary win11:28
ZogG_N900but it have heavy animation11:28
ZogG_N900it's like to use video as walpaper11:28
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lcukZogG_N900, that one might11:28
lcukbut others wont11:28
lcukit could be as simple as not changing the background itself and just interacting with your other widgets11:29
lcukgrouping and herding them to the visible desktop :D11:29
lcukmaking them run away etc11:29
ZogG_N900i'm talking about that live wallpaper from news the russian guy made11:29
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lcukyes you are talking about one specific badly named single example11:29
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lcuklive backgrounds in general can be as busy or as conservative as they want11:30
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lcukand users can decide11:30
ZogG_N900i'm thinking how to manage portrait mode and widgets on desktop11:30
lcukthats a different issue11:30
ZogG_N900i know11:30
noobmonk3yfrals - just counted 18 types of rst(reset types) relating to the N900's processor - and it is not in there!! - so it probably isn't the end of the world! - quite a funky, if very techy document though!11:30
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ZogG_N900just thinking if maemo would ever support it - how would they manage it11:31
fralsnoobmonk3y: got a link?11:31
noobmonk3ylol just closed it - hold on got a similar one for another OMAP Processor here -
noobmonk3ywill try and find the other one11:31
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noobmonk3yfrals -
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noobmonk3ypage 69 onwards was an odd read!11:37
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noobmonk3yfrals: You've got me wondering if i can pull out any further reset details from the cpu :P maybe from logs11:42
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lcuknoobmonk3y, frals - whats this search about11:45
lcukhave you healthchecked yourself into oblivion?11:45
jacekowskigood morning11:46
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jacekowskipr 1.2?11:47
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fralslcuk: trying to dig up anything about that damn bootreason code11:47
Stskeepsnolo prolly sets it11:47
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lcukok the bootreason is specifically?  and occured at which point and reproduced itself how?11:48
lcuk(i closed my windows11:48
fralsVg_POw38, occured after starting fMMS, he claims11:48
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fralsreboots each time he launches fmms11:48
noobmonk3yyeah - hunted out a few hundred different components boot reasons now11:48
fralsive asked him to create a new thread about it but not dice yet!11:48
noobmonk3ytrying to determine how that comes up with the few we know off11:48
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fralswould be nice if there was a list of all bootreasons with a oneline describing them somewhere :P11:50
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noobmonk3y;) yes fralsw, yes it would ;)11:52
noobmonk3ybut things never seem to be that easy ;)11:52
* lcuk wipes that ;) off your face11:52
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noobmonk3yit seems to be kernel related11:53
* noobmonk3y gets his spade to dig a bit further11:53
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vilinyhi again :)11:56
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fralsi dont like people who change their User Agent... only sending "Maemo Browser" is kinda mean if you, like me, likes snooping around the server logs12:02
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vilinyis there any way to flip that back and forth without uninstalling and installing it again12:05
wazdlcuk: timeless_mbp: actually I wasn't asking :D12:06
lcukwazd it was pondering12:06
vilinyfrals: ?12:06
fralsno clue12:06
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vilinyoh and... some sites give you that damn mobile page in stead of real deal with the default user agent12:06
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wazdNokia-Russia wasn't so excited bout Matrix wallpaper btw :)12:07
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Treibholzmobile sites don't make any sense on a wide screen...12:07
auenfsure they do, if you tilt your head sideways12:08
Treibholzmost of them are optimized for smaller screens.12:08
timeless_mbpTreibholz: if you use portrait browsing, mobile sites are vaguely usable12:08
Treibholzlet's just wait for PR1.212:08
jacekowskisomebody said pr.1.212:09
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vilinyhehe, lol at the oc thread... 850mhz low end settings :)12:10
Treibholztimeless_mbp: that's why we have to wait.12:10
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Treibholzbut most of the sites ask me if I want the mobile or the normal version.12:10
noobmonk3ypr1.2 = lcuk's version 2 of his bacon sandwich :D12:11
kebaxI got my mobile broadband working by installing ppp via yum and wvdial from fedora 1112:12
lcuknahhh noobmonk3y you are bringing bacon sandwich to next meet12:12
noobmonk3yoooo yeah, cant have one without it ;)12:12
kebaxI wonder why the 3G is not working on network applet12:12
noobmonk3yi had bacon and brie at the last one :D12:12
lcuksuch a strange combination12:13
noobmonk3ybut works ;)12:14
TreibholzVCF_FILES=$(ping -I usb0 -w 1 -c 1 $MAEMO_IP 2> /dev/null > /dev/null && (scp user@$MAEMO_IP:.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db /tmp/ > /dev/null && ~/bin/ > $MAEMO_VCARD) ; echo $MAEMO_VCARD)12:14
Treibholzthis is so sick...12:14
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fralsbastard noobmonk3y now im hungry :(12:16
* mece too. OM NOM NOM12:16
noobmonk3yfrals: Foooooooooooooood glorious foooooooooooooooood!12:16
Treibholzbut the only way I found to have something working to use the addressbook in mutt.12:16
nid0ditto, i got noodles on now!12:16
timeless_mbpTreibholz: technically portrait browsing is available in 1.112:17
timeless_mbpand the reason you have to wait has nothing to do w/ the browser12:17
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timeless_mbpwe were done over a month ago12:17
lcuklol @ this:12:18
hrwTreibholz: 12 November is getting closer each day12:18
lcukApart from making most applications crash after a while, the plugin works very well.12:18
lcukI'll package it once the bugs are fixed.12:18
Treibholztimeless_mbp: yes, once I triggered a bug, that made everything portrait...12:18
Treibholztimeless_mbp: how can I switch manually?12:18
fralsctrl shift o in browser12:18
hrwTreibholz: ctrl-shift-o12:18
fralsand then just turn device12:18
fralslol lcuk12:19
meceneed to close keyboard to if I recall12:19
* mece is going to get a footlong subway today. OH YEAAAH!12:20
Treibholzgreat :-)12:20
* Treibholz is happy.12:20
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koala_mannice feature12:21
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loft306ahhh ha found the bt kb12:23
meceanyone here have fheroes2 installed and working?12:23
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inkbottleHi, how do i do to install "fennec"? I don't find it in the list of applications (I know i missed something, but i don't yet know what :)  )12:24
Treibholzinkbottle: via the ovi-store12:25
frals haha12:25
vilinynokia ovi-store12:25
Treibholzand fennec is called firefox mobile now12:25
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nid0clearly travel's getting serious12:27
nid0Three Royal Navy ships will be drafted to help return Britons stranded abroad as UK airspace remains restricted.12:27
vilinyis the situation that bad in the uk?12:27
nid0not small ships either, two of em are aircraft carriers12:27
crashanddieTreibholz: brand recognition12:27
fralssweden opened its airspace today \o/12:27
crashanddiefrals: doesn't help a lot if you can't go anywhere :P12:28
crashanddiefrals: "Yes, you can fly from Stockholm to Stockholm"12:28
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crashanddiefrals: but they'll still your luggage :P12:28
crashanddies/still/still love/12:28
infobotcrashanddie meant: frals: but they'll still love your luggage :P12:28
fralscan go to northern sweden!12:28
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vilinycrashanddie: you hurt my brain :P12:29
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crashanddieviliny: as long as it's only your brain I'm hurting12:30
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vilinyyeah, what do i need that for any way :P12:30
inkbottleHum, i don't get yet what is ovi-store; i mean what is the difference between things that are "install software", and those that are "ovi-store"?12:31
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Treibholzinkbottle: ask Nokia.12:31
crashanddieinkbottle: ovi-store is a commercial front-end to software distribution12:31
inkbottlei'd rather like not to use it, if possible12:32
crashanddiethen don't use it?12:32
Treibholzinkbottle: you may also download the deb manually from
crashanddieinkbottle: you don't *have* to use anything12:32
crashanddieyou'll just won't be able to get specific applications or games12:33
inkbottlespending more time there might be solutions for installing firefox though12:33
crashanddiefirefox, sure12:34
crashanddiebut games like angry birds, no12:34
Treibholzanyway, firefox mobile is not really worth installing.12:34
inkbottlein fact i was looking for some noscript stuff12:34
nid0I dont see the issue, what exactly do you have against clicking the "ovi" button on your n900 and downloading firefox?12:34
inkbottleTreibholz, thanks12:34
nid0how does the fact that ovi's involved hurt you in any way?12:35
Treibholzyou need an account.12:35
vilinyi noticed the ovi icon on the device will not work properly with user agent hidden in microb - BTW12:35
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nid0wow, a 20 second signup?12:35
satmdthe latest recaller package seems to want to rm a file that does not exist12:35
crashanddienid0: "OMGZ!!!eleven!!one ovi is going to track what I use... CONSPIRACIE!!!!"12:35
Treibholznid0: just to install software?12:35
fralsdoesnt mozilla have their own repo up if installing from ovi is so inconvenient?12:36
* Treibholz would prefer to install applications without authentication.12:36
crashanddieagain, why?12:36
inkbottlenid0, no, i dont fear i will be hurt, it's just i don't like the word (or something like that)12:36
crashanddieyou don't like "the word"?12:37
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jacekowskiinstall chromium12:37
crashanddieWhat. The. Fuck?12:37
Treibholzchromium is very slow on the n90012:37
jacekowskiweoll, it's wip at the moment12:37
jacekowskiit will get better12:37
jacekowskiand js is like 3x faster than microb12:38
fralsis there any app to track err.. general performance stuff? i got a pm saying fmms is draining his battery 10-15% faster when its installed12:39
nid0well, battery-eye will be able to confirm whether thats actually happening12:39
nid0wont tell you why tho12:40
inkbottledoes someone know where are man pages?12:40
inkbottleand "less"12:40
fralsgoogle has man pages, less is available in -devel afaik12:42
vilinyHey now that i remember, is there any convenient way of extracting archived files such as zip or rar on the n900?12:42
inkbottlefrals, i give a look12:42
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vilinyi got some command line program and it worked ok but im kinda expecting a program with a gui for this thing12:43
vilinylike my 95 had as default fex12:46
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lcuko_O RT @ D3MS77 "Put 30 billion euros in unmarked bills in a bag by the gate of the Icelandic embassy in London, and we’ll turn off the volcano"12:49
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SpeedEvilfrals: I like Stskeeps's little script - it logs accurate instantaneous power use every 5s12:50
Stskeepswhat script12:50
SpeedEvildo I mean Stskeeps12:51
SpeedEvilShadowJK: ?12:51
* SpeedEvil just wokr up12:51
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ShadowJKSpeedEvil, i hope you changed RS to 20, it's at the top12:54
SpeedEvillink to it for frals?12:55
SpeedEvilalso - powertop12:55
SpeedEvilalso - rebooting12:55
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achipadoes anyone know what the mad-developer thingy is based on ? sbrsh ? or ?12:58
vilinylcuk: i can imagine the volcano with several hundred icelandians pouring in anti-acid pills into the fire :P12:58
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ShadowJKfrals,  - untar somewhere, go to that place as root in a terminal, for a dump do: ./ for continous monitoring do: ./ 5  (5 is the interval, and the chip itself samples current use at 5.12 second intervals)12:59
jacekowskiShadowJK: what is it doing?13:00
ShadowJKjacekowski, well it's a busybox sh script that talks to a hardware chip. What could go wrong13:00
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ShadowJKIt talks to the bq27200 battery "gas gauge" chip. Real time power use monitoring, for example13:01
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jacekowskihow accurate is it?13:01
ZogGso google heard about meego13:02
ZogGand now announce to put android source back to kernel13:02
vilinygoogle heard about it?13:02
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ZogGdoest it mean android apps on meego?13:02
vilinysource back to kernel?13:02
ZogGcause i think when it happens now maemo would be alive13:03
ShadowJKjacekowski, I don't remember what the datasheet says, but as far as the charge tracking goes it seems to be within 1%13:03
ShadowJKum, I mean +-1%13:04
ShadowJKor something13:04
TreibholzZogG: the kernel has absolutelly nothing to do with it.13:04
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ZogGit's all about java13:04
ZogGonce again13:04
ZogGi hate java13:04
ShadowJKIn absolute terms it depends on knowing the size of the sense resistor inside the N900. My current guess is 20mOhm13:04
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Treibholzandroid is just a platform on top of linux.13:05
ShadowJKand it's not even java13:05
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ZogGTreibholz, so even if android and kernel merged back and java ported - there is still no chance?13:05
Treibholzit's a java-derivative called dalvik13:05
ZogGi heard that many time13:05
ShadowJKAnyway, by integrating the current consumption/charge over time, it adds up very close to the Nokia battery's capacity when you do a charge-discharge, and it also adds up to the advertised capacity of the extended mugen battery...13:06
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ZogGjust can't understand how it works13:06
TreibholzZogG: the kernel has nothing to do with it.13:06
Treibholzyou may port dalvik...13:06
Treibholzis dalvik opnesource?13:06
ShadowJKYou need the entire framework on top too13:06
ShadowJKand teach it how to talk to the particular hw it's running on, maybe13:06
ShadowJKif you want it to like be able to interface with anything13:06
Treibholzapache license13:07
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ZogGi can't loop my laces13:07
ZogGShadowJK, i think it would be easier to port apps to specific hw13:07
lcukask your mum13:07
Treibholzand I (personally) wouldn't want any android-apps on my n900.13:07
lcuklily allen just said "i can tie my laces"13:08
N900evilI personally would.13:08
N900evilAnd iphone13:08
ZogGi would prefer native apps but because of lack of ones...13:08
nid0help get more available then13:08
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N900eviland windows 7, and tomtom, and amiga13:08
ZogGwhat about ps3 games?13:08
N900evilthose too.13:08
ShadowJKIn the end running android apps on maemo would make everything pretty slow, I'd imagine :-)13:09
N900evilsome are less practical than others.13:09
ZogGokay - i'll work on it13:09
TreibholzZogG: you can't run more than 2 PS3-games at the same time on the n900, maybe more if you overclock it.13:09
ZogGN900evil, but you would like gow3? =)13:09
N900evilandroid apps on maemo are completely possible, and not slow other than ram13:09
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N900evilram contention13:09
ZogGTreibholz, it makes me said i would like to run at least 5 ps3 games at the same time13:10
ShadowJKIt'd be pretty dire, squeezing two operating systems into 256megs13:10
BCMMis it possible to get an application to display to another X server?13:10
TreibholzZogG: works on Windows Mobile 713:10
N900evilram is a hareder topic than it appears13:10
marmouteBCMM: Change he DISPLAY var ?13:10
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ZogGTreibholz, they don't have multitasking13:10
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BCMMi've tried logging in with ssh -X, but $DISPLAY is still :0.013:10
ZogGfcrozat|lunch, bon appetite13:11
N900evilyou have the RAM use not only of the app, but the whole framewoek13:11
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N900evilBCMM: wfm13:11
BCMMN900evil: wfm?13:11
N900evilBCMM: DISPLAY=whereever:013:11
BCMMN900evil: i'll certainly try that13:11
BCMMbut nevertheless, any way to make ssh -X work normally?13:11
N900evilBCMM: start app, after allowing on other x server13:11
N900evilnever bothered chasing it up13:12
BCMMi've even tried ssh -X user@ <command>13:12
BCMMto avoid it starting a shell which could change $DISPLAY13:12
TreibholzBCMM: debug1: Remote: No xauth program; cannot forward with spoofing13:12
TreibholzBCMM: you need to install xauth13:13
N900evilBCMM: are you trying to show stuff on n900 display?13:13
BCMMN900evil: other way 'round13:13
BCMMN900evil: that works fine with ssh13:13
N900eviljust display works then13:13
jacekowskijust use DISPLAY=host:display13:13
N900eviland auth the other side13:13
jacekowskiyou just have to run xauth on remote side before doing that13:13
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BCMMhmm, -X would be preferable because my X server has -nolisten tcp13:14
TreibholzBCMM: you need to install xauth13:15
BCMMTreibholz: ok13:15
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BCMMthat still doesn't explain why DISPLAY was :0.0 instead of unset13:16
BCMMyeah, that works now; thanks13:16
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BCMMnow, is it possible to start the phone app on my desktop's X server?13:17
BCMMi don't know how to start it from a terminal13:17
BCMMin fact, i'm assuming it's part of the process that does the desktop and so on, since the process count doesn't change when i start it13:18
Treibholzosso-addressbook seems not to work13:18
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N900evilfrals: powertop and strace will say if fmms is keeping stuff awake13:20
fralsN900evil: cheers, will take a look at those13:21
lcukfmms is keeping frals awake!13:21
fralsaye no arguing there13:22
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* lcuk tries to install powertop on frals13:22
lcukeep, it says unsupported platform: cpu missing13:23
SpeedEvilfrals: fmms does what? It has a resident component?13:23
fralsSpeedEvil: it got a daemon in the background waiting for sms push notifications13:23
fralsor well, its started on demand by dbus if its not running13:23
BCMMwell, x over ssh is all fun but a bit fiddly; which VNC server for maemo would you recommend?13:23
* ZogG xmms2> Tito & Tarantula - Angry Cockroaches ["Tarantism" 1997]13:23
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fralsand then stays running until killed13:23
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BCMMalso, is there a graphical way to set up USB networking with a linux computer?13:24
ZogGwhat do you mean networking?13:25
ZogGto share internet from n900 or to n900?13:25
SpeedEvilalso - 'linux' varies13:26
BCMMZogG: well, right now i don't mind about sharing 'net13:27
ZogGmeh - that is the last thing to care13:27
ZogGfrom where to where?13:27
BCMMjust having a fast way to move data between the machines (taht isn't mass storage)13:27
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BCMMbut i would also like to know how to let a computer use the 3g internet13:27
SpeedEvilBCMM: install 'wifi hotspot'13:27
BCMMalso, i don't mind about GUI ways to do it on the desktop - teh desktop i can work out for myself13:27
SpeedEvilBCMM: as one option13:28
SpeedEvilBCMM: It also has WEP encryption!13:28
meceBCMM hmm on some distros you can actually get tethering just by plugging it in.13:28
ZogGBCMM i dunno if n900 can be recognized as modem or any device sharing the connection but if it is you can use networkmanager13:28
SpeedEvilalso that13:28
BCMMmece: it gets recognised as a USB network device13:28
ZogGthat has varies guis (knetworkmanager or gnome gtk gui e.g.13:28
BCMMbut i've had to manually give an ip address to the n900 and to the desktop...13:28
BCMMit would make most sense, for tethering, if the n900 offered a DHCP daemon13:29
* BCMM waits13:29
ZogG first of all you would liek to see this13:30
* SpeedEvil wonders if powetop is confused13:31
SpeedEvil    C0 |   0.7% |          |  1150 MHz |   nan% |13:31
SpeedEvil     C1 |   0.0% |          |13:31
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ChikuSpeedEvil, areyou overclocking your n900 ?13:32
BCMMZogG: hmm, when i plugged it into an ubuntu box, it came up as a USB network card, but no ip address13:32
SpeedEvilI diddn't think I was13:32
BCMMi checked the n900; no ip address there either13:32
fralsso if powertop reports like 99% in C4 and of the pids none is my daemon, its pretty safe to assume its not doing anything bad in regards to waking up the cpu right?13:33
SpeedEvilChiku: however cat cpuinfo_max_freq13:33
SpeedEvilfrals: pretty much13:33
SpeedEvilfrals: there are also side-effects13:33
ZogGBCMM what do you use for connection?13:33
Chikudid you test firefox, does it usable at 1150mhz?13:33
BCMMZogG: ?13:33
SpeedEvilfrals: like you might be causing the cell modem to wake up and go to sleep13:33
SpeedEvilfrals: or something - which eats power13:34
BCMMZogG: do you mean what software?13:34
ZogGBCMM, ubuntu standart networkmanager?13:34
BCMMZogG: ifconfig...13:34
fralsSpeedEvil: yeah... but im not interfacing with any of those :)13:34
* Arkenoi wonders how much cheapest new n900 cost now (worldwide)13:34
ZogGBCMM, nope i mean app13:34
BCMMZogG: was wanting ssh to be a little more responsive that it was over wlan; plugged it into usb in pc suite mode13:35
SurfaArkenoi, just checked that finland price is 499,9013:35
BCMMthen used ifconfig on the desktop and on the n900 to create the connection...13:35
SurfaArkenoi, euros of course13:35
SpeedEvilfrals: I also see no extra power use13:35
Surfasorry for being unclear13:35
ZogGBCMM, it's a pity i don't have any ubuntu disk - wait13:36
Arkenoiwell, there are several places in the world where it costs $500-13:36
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ZogGi'll turn my laptop on13:36
BCMMZogG: well, it's not actually ubuntu i'm interested in13:36
BCMMright now i'm trying to work out which sort of USB network adaptor it was recognised as13:36
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ZogGyeah - but you are interested in gui - is that you said at first place?13:36
ArkenoiUS and middle east13:36
SurfaArkenoi, most likely yes, finland is not the most cheapest country with taxes13:36
BCMMi don't have that driver on my gentoo box13:36
ZogGother wise you can make scripts13:36
ZogGwith udev rule to run when n900 is connected13:37
Arkenoii am trying to figure out absolute minimum13:37
SurfaArkenoi, simply vat has a huge effect on prices here :)13:37
ensianyone happen to know if this bug is going to be fixed in near future?13:37
povbotBug 8014: WPA2-PSK connection dropped after a few minutes (U.S. Robotics Wireless MAXg Access Point USR5451)13:37
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BCMMZogG: interested on not having to open the terminal on the n900 to make the connection13:37
BCMMon the desktop, i'm sure i can look after myself :)13:38
* Arkenoi purchased the most recent one for ~$62013:38
BCMMZogG: actually, i'd kind of like to see dmesg after plugging the n900 in in pc suite mode13:38
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BCMMi stupidly didn't make note of hte kernel module that ubuntu used when i connected it13:38
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ZogGi have it like nokia mobile phone13:39
BCMMZogG: oh, found a useful wiki page13:39
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BCMMtelling me how to automatically execute commands when going into pc suite mode13:39
BCMMtaht shold do it for me13:39
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ArkenoiVAT is 18% here13:40
BCMMwould somebody be so kind as to tell me which kernel module is used for usb0 (on the other computer) when you plug the n900 into a linux machine?13:40
ZogGwait - i'm compiling networkmanager =)13:41
ZogGthough dunno wich plugins shoould to compile with it =)13:41
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ZogGBCMM, does your system see the phone in ifconfig as network adapter?13:42
BCMMZogG: well, on the ubuntu machine i used, the phone turned up as usb013:43
BCMMi don't have the relevant driver on my gentoo box, but i'm just about to build a new kernel13:43
MohammadAGMorning :)13:43
ZogGoh you have gentoo too?13:44
ZogGBCMM what is the module in kernel for that? dfo you know?13:44
SpeedEvilCan anyone point me at a sane overview of overclocking/undervolting?13:44
BCMMjust found it13:44
BCMMbuilding the kernel now13:44
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SpeedEvilI can't find anything due to the hordes of enthusiasts.13:44
BCMMi really don't see why it doesn't provide DHCP for tethering13:45
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BCMMin fact, does it even do tethering over USB?13:45
BCMMor will i need to play with netfilter to make it happen?13:46
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ZogGBCMM, WAIT!!13:46
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ZogGdo not built it yet13:46
BCMMZogG: oh?13:46
ZogGfound something interesting13:46
ZogGthe phone network protocol13:47
ZogGdeveloped by whome? nokia =)13:47
ZogGhaha qand it's for maemo =)13:47
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TermanaSpeedEvil -
SpeedEvilI was getting distracted by tmo13:48
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ZogGBCMM, herE?13:51
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BCMMZogG: i think that option is for use on the n90013:53
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BCMMZogG: as far as i can see, phonet is for doing low-level things to the 2g/3g network13:56
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BCMMZogG: you may be able to use it on a machine that's connected by USB to an n900 to send raw commands the 3g network13:57
BCMMZogG: but i'm more interested in regular TCP13:57
SpeedEvilyou can't13:57
SpeedEvilthe modem isolates all stuff13:57
SpeedEvilyou can only do 'normal' stuff to the network13:58
TreibholzI can use the modem via Bluetooth, so i t should be possible, to do it lokally, too.13:58
ZogGanyway i'm going to shower and work - i'll play around with it later13:59
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ZogGBCMM what country are you from?14:02
lcuknoobmonk3y, any chance you can get NHS care package (blt) ?14:03
BCMMuk, why?14:03
ZogGvodafone ?14:03
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vilinyis there any kind of vnc server available for the n900?14:05
vilinycool... repos already or?14:05
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ensiyes x11vnc, expect crashing if you change between landscape/portrait mode14:07
vilinyoh, start the phone etc?14:07
ensivnc server crashing14:08
vilinywait... is that like a user script or something? i don't recall seeing any options to switch land/port modes?14:08
ensibring phone app full screen14:08
ensiand it switches to portrait automatically14:08
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vilinyah i see14:08
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vilinywell that sucks, hope they get it working...14:09
ensi"they" ? :)14:09
ensiyou mean "teh community"14:09
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Treibholzviliny: what exactly do you want to do?14:09
vilinycontrol my phone from the desktop without wearing the screen with a stylus14:09
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ensiviliny: it wont work14:10
frals lol14:10
vilinywhy ensi ?14:10
lcukviliny, doesnt that kindof hamper mobility?14:10
Treibholzmaybe with dbus?14:10
MohammadAGdefeating the purpose of portablity14:10
pupnikviliny: that is doable.  i control n900 with keyboard / mouse from desktop14:10
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vilinyyes but i am known to use the device at home too14:10
ensiviliny: the screen server will switch off and then your vncviewer will not be usable14:10
ensiso you'll have to disable screen saver14:10
ensiand that will drain the battery14:10
vilinyand sometimes i dick around with it when etc. inputting lots of terminal commands and junk - i shouldn't really have to explain this :P14:11
vilinywell if im using a desktop to controll it i might as well put the charger in14:11
pupniktry synergy, viliny14:11
ensiviliny: easier just so ssh  to the phone if you like to use the terminal14:11
vilinythank you pupnik14:11
pupnikthe n800 binary runs on n900 too14:11
Treibholzcan't you controll the phone via dbus?14:12
vilinyensi: im familiar with ssh and all that, im not looking for alternatives - im specifikally asking for a vnc server and if it is available yet14:12
ensiTreibholz: you can if you now the magic (;14:12
ensidbus-send etc.14:12
ensiviliny: yeah there is a vnc server but like like i said its not without problems, so i was just suggesting that if you just need to input terminal commands then ssh is better than vnc :)14:12
vilinypupnik: last i had a glance at synergy they hadn't updated it in a year, is it still under developement?14:13
vilinyensi: absolutely, but i also want the full maemo desktop so :)14:13
* Treibholz should try to port x2x...14:13
ensiviliny: fair enough (;14:13
pupniksomething like that would be nice vili14:14
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vilinypupnik: synergy only lists 2000 as the newest OS on their site, getting worried it's not very current :)14:15
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pupnikyou can build a newer one14:16
pupnikoh win2k14:16
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vilinyusing win7k on main desktop... might get tricky & sticky14:17
vilinynewest files are from 200614:17
vilinythats a pity14:17
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pupnikyes, your OS is14:19
vilinygot 2 linux desktops as well14:19
pupnikjust teasing14:20
pupnikthey should update their site14:20
vilinyis it still under developement then?14:21
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pupnikdont know sorry14:21
Appiahsynergy works fine one W714:22
Appiahand on Vista14:22
vilinybut it's the same old version?14:22
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Appiahstill works14:23
Appiahis something broken in that release or what?14:23
Appiahwhat's the problem14:23
vilinynvm, sorry - i was just put off by the thought that nobody had updated it in 4 years14:23
Appiahwell you can always try it :)14:24
infobotSince Mon Apr 19 07:15:27 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 6 commands.  I have been awake for 4h 9m 15s this session, and currently reference 116963 factoids.  I'm using about 16560 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 343.92/10.92 child 0.07/0.0714:24
AppiahI'm running it on Ubuntu 9.10 , Vista and Win7 right now14:24
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vilinysounds promising, any quirks?14:25
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thomasvsanyone else have maemo mapper start at zoom level 294 ?14:30
Appiahviliny: happens maybe after 2-3 weeks that synergy server needs to be restarted14:32
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AppiahI think that problem would go away if the Ubuntu computer was running the server :D14:33
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vilinyhehe, yeah :)14:33
vilinybut i usually lose that uptime for updates or power outages anyway so14:33
Treibholzis there a way to get a "back-button" in portrait-mode in the browser?14:34
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vilinyAppiah: where'd you get synergy client for the n900?14:38
AppiahI didnt say I'm running synergy on n900 >_>14:38
vilinysorry, i assumed :)14:39
* MohammadAG wants nautilus14:42
frals"Has anyone else smelled his #N900? I have updated my #kernel to 900Mhz, and i noticed it smells quite new. Burning new."14:42
vilinyill take a whiff now14:43
vilinyjust smells like plastic and the leather pouch i keep it in14:43
oscillikfrals: who wrote that?! rofl14:43
fralsdunno saw it on twitter14:44
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Disconnectmine has that new-phone smell. mainly cuz its still on a ups truck :)14:44
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fralswould be nice if you could force ppl to read first post in a thread before posting14:45
frals@ tmo that is14:45
peturTreibholz: what about swiping from right to left to go back?14:47
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vilinyDisconnect: Better hope it doesn't double an fish delivery truck :)14:51
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vilinydouble as an*14:51
* Disconnect is off to a brilliant start - ordered from newegg, sent it to the office so i wouldn't have it on my porch all day. except i work from home mondays and also most of tomorrow. sigh.14:52
vilinydrive to work?14:52
vilinyhave a colleague swing by your place on the way home?14:52
vilinyhave to coffee boy deliver it to you :)14:52
Disconnectyah i'm gonna swing to work around lunch. its one of the catered-lunch days (m-w-f) so maybe i'll stay for food14:53
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Arkenoiwell, some people are OCing for several weeks now. If it was *that* bad as we are told, we'd see first unlucky guys who toasted their phones. But there are still none ;-)14:55
vilinyis midnight commander any good? :P14:55
vilinysounds like a muscular dude running around in speedos at night...14:56
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gouverneurviliny: you know norton commander?14:56
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gouverneurviliny: so you are about 20 and/or started your PC experience with windows?14:57
vilinyim 23 and i started with DOS yes14:57
gouverneuryou knwo total commander14:58
vilinywell, actually sony msx but thats not relevant14:58
Arkenoiwow, you are 23 and you started with msx? cool14:58
vilinyhehe :)14:58
Arkenoii thought msx is for old farts like me ;-)14:58
vilinyi guess it is :] i think i was 7 or 8 when i programmed graphical stuff on it... heavily copying from the guide but come on, id' just learned to read :P14:59
gouverneurArkenoi: more like his dad had one lying around back from the days...14:59
vilinygouverneur: thats actually true14:59
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vilinyi couldn't afford one at that age :P15:00
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vilinyAmiga held me afloat a good bit after that15:00
gouverneurwe had a C16 till '9415:00
vilinybut yeah, only been doing linux for a year now15:00
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vilinyso whats norton commander?15:00
crashanddieall these years, and you still haven't learnt to use Google?15:01
vilinyusing right now actually15:01
gouverneurviliny: ok then... midnight commander, total commander norton commander are basicaly all the same15:01
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vilinyok, thanks...15:01
gouverneurviliny: total commander is a windows gui though15:01
crashanddieviliny: remember the windows explorer on windows 3.1?15:02
vilinyhey wait, i'we used norton commander15:02
sp3000you forgot wing commander15:02
sp3000that's, like, almost the same thing right :P15:02
MohammadAGGNOME commander is a clone of them :)15:02
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: are you sue?15:02
gouverneursp3000: usable with a joystick right?15:02
crashanddieDocScrutinizer: no, he's julie15:02
DocScrutinizer~spank Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC15:03
* infobot bends Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on Arkenoi for silly arguments wrt OC's pasty white buttocks.15:03
vilinyokay this is all coming back to me now...15:03
vilinygot some qbasic flashbacks im not entirely sure im enjoying :)15:04
Wolfieqbasic was the best15:04
gouverneurviliny: just a tool to see two directories and move stuff around and do fancy tricks for file handling15:04
Wolfieespecially the moment when I understood that I actually could write cheats into Nibbler15:04
vilinywolfie, i made the ape-game go bananas (pun intended)15:04
Wolfiethat must've been one of the decisive moments in my life :)15:05
gouverneurWolfie: yeah remember doing Beethoven with a qBase script, output with PCspeaker15:05
Wolfieviliny: i don't think I touched it that much15:06
WolfieI was, after all, about 8 years old at the time :)15:06
vilinyhehe, yeah15:06
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BCMMi don't know how off-topic hardware is15:06
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vilinywonder if modern youth would challenge them with that sort of stuff now that they don't have to15:06
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BCMMbut does nokia make a higher-capacity battery for the n900?15:06
vilinymy guess is no15:06
lupine_85no, but you can get them15:06
vilinynever saw one for the 9515:06
gouverneurBCMM: never15:06
WolfieBCMM: the definite answer would be to go to the nokia store, choose the n900, and see which accessories it suggests for it15:06
BCMMgouverneur: and the 3rd party ones are given to exploding?15:06
vilinyis the mc i repos for n900?15:07
Wolfiebut i'm remembering too that there's no official nokia battery15:07
gouverneurBCMM: I wont touch anything till my warranty is worn out15:07
vilinyi have one of those mugens arriving in the mail atm15:07
lupine_85I don't actually have one15:07
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stefan_elol they are big as hell15:07
vilinyShadowJK has a mugen battery and keen on sharing15:07
* lupine_85 doesn't have problems with the existing battery15:07
lupine_85it lasts all day, what more can one want?15:08
* viliny think lupine_85 has several original batteries on a belt round his waist15:08
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lupine_85nope, just the one15:08
vilinyyeah im actually not that dissapointed with the original battery either15:08
BCMMhang on, are those aftermarket batteries that are so big they come with a replacement rear case?15:08
gouverneurthe day after that I will get in my companies clean room and disect, replace the kbd, bond the usb...15:08
vilinyBCMM: yes, if nokia could have made a better battery in the same size they would have done it15:08
BCMMfair enough15:09
gouverneurBCMM: what are you doing to your device? I got 3 days uptime with always on wifi15:09
BCMMgouverneur: i haven't had it long enough to know if i'm bothered by it15:09
DocScrutinizergouverneur: have fun :-/15:09
vilinythat sounds great gouverneur, i get around 1,5 with most stuff turned off15:09
BCMMgouverneur: just curious so far15:09
gouverneurviliny: hmm15:10
gouverneurviliny: widgets?15:10
MiXu-I've got no problem either. Usually I can use the N900 for two days without charging.15:10
MiXu-If I use it alot during the day then it's one day.15:10
gouverneurDocScrutinizer: I will have cause I guess I will have a new device then anyway15:10
DocScrutinizergouverneur: to be more constructive... Take damn care of the FPC15:10
BCMMgouverneur: does a mobile data connection draw more power than wifi?15:10
vilinythink i get about 8 hours of constant emulator usage - perhaps 2 days if i don't dick around with it much and 1,5 if use it as a mp3-fm transmitter in the car... which uses surprisingly little battery15:10
SpeedEvilBCMM: yes - _lots_ more15:10
vilinygouverneur: not many widgets at all15:10
SpeedEvilBCMM: for a 1s ping - maybe a hundred times more15:10
BCMMoh, i guess that makes a lot of sense actually15:10
vilinygouverneur: inactive pedometer and some todo-widgets but nothing that constantly updates15:11
BCMMyeah, i flattened it once by forgetting to turn that off15:11
gouverneurMiXu-: yeah turning on music and gps gets me down to a day or two (something like 32h I guess)15:11
* MohammadAG hates how the end key doesn't work in the browser15:11
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vilinycan't find midnight-commander in repos15:12
vilinywhere'd you get it?15:12
MohammadAGsearch for mc15:12
gouverneurBCMM: especialy cell-network drains a lot, bad connections like in building keep it active and power up to hold it15:12
DocScrutinizerviliny: you noticed the search options in hildon appmanager?15:12
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gouverneurI turned wifi to 10mW and saved at least 1 day with it15:13
BCMMgouverneur: yeah, i know about phones increasing power to reach distant masts15:14
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pupnikgouverneur: the community additions for cell radio control are great15:14
mecedoes anyone remember if Heroes of Might and Magic use rightclick for something?15:14
BCMMgouverneur: my old phone that did only phone calls and texts over GSM would go flat noticably faster on trains15:14
vilinyDocScrutinizer: yes, Midnight gave me null15:14
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BCMM(always moving in and out of range)15:14
vilinythanks MohammadAG !15:14
gouverneurPR1.0 about 18hours... tweaking and following PRs made it to those +3days15:14
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MohammadAGnp :)15:15
pupnikmece: how about camera button activates right-click?15:15
ufaI cannot use my n900 as a modem on fedora15:15
DocScrutinizerviliny: probably you've not noticed the "search in name and description" option then, despite you claim you did15:15
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meceI was asking if it needs it. not how to modify it.15:15
ufait says: cdc_acm 1-1:1.6: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is not a modem.15:15
mecepupnik, ctrl-click is my method though15:15
DocScrutinizeror you had a typo in your searchstring15:15
ufait works on debian though15:16
vilinyi did not claim anything - i just told you that im aware of the search function in the repository15:16
pupnikdo you set that up in xmodmap mece ?15:16
vilinyi don't tend to use it a lot though so i had missed the specific searches15:16
mecepupnik, no, modify source15:16
pupnikok :)15:16
gouverneurBCMM: hehe you know speed is an issue, keeping connections on fast moving vehicles is possible but not expected15:16
DocScrutinizerviliny: or you have no *-devel repo enabled15:16
vilinyi have all repos enabled15:16
mecepupnik, I don't know about configs and xmodmaps, so I rather do it in c++.15:16
vilinylift me up from the sandbox and onto the swings in your please :P15:17
vilinyin your mind*15:17
pupnikmece same here15:17
mecepupnik, anyway, the game is actually pretty smooth15:17
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pupniki think other people would appreciate that feature15:17
mecepupnik, rightclick?15:17
mecebut does the game use rightclick?15:18
meceif it doesn't I don't want to bother actually modding it, since it works as-is.15:18
gouverneurviliny: as far as I am concerned... are you sure about using devel as you seem not to be that experienced with linux?!15:19
meceif someone replys to the thread that it's needed, I'll mod it, if I can.15:19
meceanyway. gotta go. try the game, it's nice.,15:19
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gouverneurufa: I guess the easiest way is to setup usb networking15:19
gouverneurso it works in all places the same15:20
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meceone more thing15:20
ufabut why it works with Network_manager on ubntu and debian15:20
mececan I say some semi-legal stuff here without getting maemo into trouble?15:20
BCMMis it possible to install Synergy?15:20
meceeh better not.15:20
ufajust in fedora it doesnt :(15:20
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pupnik   Just fly at 12,500 feet, never cross the ash.  Charge passengers for the extra fuel.15:22
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vilinygouverneur: well i'we taken some shortcuts here and there but been messing around with linux a lot lately... yes im sure i have all the repos added to the n90015:29
gouverneurviliny: the question is not if it is active but if you are sure you are able to handle a f*** up device without reflashing it all the time you do15:31
vilinyokay well yeah im pretty confident - lets stop before this gets any more patronizing15:32
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viliny# Viliny "Newbie" ? :P15:37
DocScrutinizernah, overclocker15:37
vilinyah, i see... but what personal gain do you get from that?15:37
DocScrutinizerhelps me with my rotten old brain15:37
vilinyokay - first thought was to invalidate my concerns because my device is overclocked :)15:38
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DocScrutinizerquite to the point :-P15:38
gouverneurviliny: its like a group feature, show all ppl with tags 'canada', 'work' and 'booking'15:38
vilinyyes, got that :)15:39
gouverneurthere is more than only one useful case for tagging ppl15:39
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gouverneurmy email alias list is something like $location.$company.$lastname.$firstname15:40
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vilinyuseful if you want to list all the employed canadians in the channel i guess15:41
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noobmonk3yat least i'm a friendly troll, and not a grumpy fcucker ;)15:42
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vilinyhehe, mod to change battery indicator icons to doom wounded face... nice15:43
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fluxactually what would be nice would be the doom disk icon appear whenever the device is swapping15:45
fluxbut I guess that'd need to be implemented in the kernel so that it'd be responsive and produce little load in itself15:45
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vilinydoom disk icon?15:46
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fluxdocscrutinizer, it shows paging?15:46
DocScrutinizerwell, when memory usage is maxed out, you'd expect it's swapping. But no, it doesn't show the particular page-miss15:47
DocScrutinizernevertheless it's the natural candidate to implement this extended function15:48
X-FadeIt seems swapping is done quite agressively though.15:49
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DocScrutinizeryeah, some guys feeling venturous twiddled with the settings (in /proc ?) for swappiness15:50
DocScrutinizerand relatives15:51
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DocScrutinizerbut I seem to see your point - it's swapping even when memory isn't at 100% usage15:52
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nid0decreasing swappiness should be perfectly safe, I lowered mine a while back15:53
DocScrutinizeron a sidenote - my device isn't in Finland. So no delays caused by sending back postponed due to ashes15:53
RST38hdid it help?15:53
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nid0tbh I cant say there's any visible improvement, but there's also no worsening, and i'm happy knowing the device is swapping less often when it has ram available15:54
DocScrutinizerprobably hard to answer by a simple yes/no15:55
Treibholzhmm, swappiness is set to 100 by default?!15:55
DocScrutinizeryep, think so15:55
Treibholzthat's higher than on my workstation...15:55
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DocScrutinizertuning such parameters is a high art - its effects are subtle15:56
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* Treibholz tries 50 now.15:56
DocScrutinizerwhile some usecases might be faster, others may slow down15:56
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nid0i've ended up sticking with 60 - some people on tmo are reporting their device being perfectly fine at 30 and getting battery life improvements from it15:57
nid0though unless you're really hammering your device hard, i'm tempted to put any noticeable battery life change down as fud15:57
DocScrutinizerand a lot more sensible than messing around with OC ;-P15:57
DocScrutinizernid0: the placebo syndrome15:58
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DocScrutinizerveeeery common on system tuners15:58
nid0yeah basically15:58
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Treibholzas I said before, the CPU is not the problem.15:59
DocScrutinizerI usually observed reported results are the better the harder the tweaking had been ;-P15:59
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GAN900If anybody's still in SF this morning and looking for time to kill, I'm in the airport area.16:00
GAN900Yo, DocScrutinizer.16:00
Disconnectis the maemo community still focussed around forums or have they moved up into the 90s with email lists? :)16:02
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DocScrutinizerTreibholz: CPU becomes a problem when you learn about electromigration caused by OC the hard way16:02
TreibholzDisconnect: unfortunatelly there is to much in forums.16:02
GAN900Disconnect, depends on how you define "community". :)16:02
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Treibholzforums are a very, very slow way of communicating and readling subjects.16:03
GAN900Disconnect, there has always been tons of activity on the forums, lists and IRC.16:03
GAN900Disconnect, all three of which have been around since 2005. :)16:03
DisconnectGAN900: for example, half of the android 'bleeding edge' stuff is on xda-dev forums. the interesting bits are on mailing lists w/ google groups for web-centric readers..16:03
ufadoes anybody here is using n900 as a modem on Fedora?16:03
ArkenoiIs there a way to remove "old" profiles applet from menu in favor of profilesX?16:04
DisconnectGAN900: yah. just saying. forums are very 1980s-bbs.. you go to this place, you read it in their format with their software, etc. :)16:04
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DocScrutinizerprofilesX? thought that's been tweakr formerly16:04
Arkenoiit looks better than tweakr16:05
DocScrutinizerDisconnect: couldn't agree more16:05
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DocScrutinizerArkenoi: aah16:05
DocScrutinizerDisconnect: alas it's virtually impossible to tear down a forum once it exists. On openmoko we always refused to install company-driven forum, and eventually when bitching was too annoying we got that freaking js-frontend which my brain refuses to remember the name of it16:08
DocScrutinizer(for the ML)16:08
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Disconnectyah. i'd -much- rather see a ml with google groups (or MARC, or similar) than "oh its a forum, good luck with that".. if its an ML I can read it on a dozen devices (with push notification ;) ..) plus at least 1 web interface of my choosing (webmail). if its a forum .. ugh. and i have to poll for changes.16:09
DocScrutinizernabble - WAAAAAH16:09
Disconnectok so check this out. i get my n900 later today (yaay!) and I got invited to :) :)16:10
DocScrutinizerDisconnect: our words - to the point16:10
DisconnectBUT that means I have a dilemma. I'm expected to tweet it. do I use the g1 (crappy photos/video but great twitter clients) or do I use the n900 (no idea about clients but takes decent pic/vid)16:10
Disconnectoh and the battery has gotta last 6 hours while doing it..16:10
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DocScrutinizerDisconnect: battery needs an initial good charging16:11
RST38hAnd you kinda expect us to suggest that you use G1?16:11
Disconnectok i have hopefully 48 hours to do that16:12
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DocScrutinizerthen use N900 :-D16:12
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DisconnectRST38h: i expect to get a reasonable answer - i have (effectively) zero time to get up to speed, learn the clients, etc. if thats not feasible, then i'll delay the transition until after the event.16:12
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Disconnecti know zero about whats available for tweeting on the n900. esp with video posting (if it was just straight twitter i'd use the browser and be fine)16:13
RST38hOh well, the clients are available from Extras / Extras Testing repositories16:13
Treibholzmauku is ok16:13
RST38hThe battery will last 15h in "normal" operation, 5h under heavy load.16:13
RST38hMay want to drop power supply into your pocket, just in case.16:14
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Disconnectok cool. probably this'll be closer to 8 hours than 15 but thats more than enough. i can charge at work before/after.16:14
DocScrutinizeryou might want to get a spare battery at your nearest Nokia shop16:14
Disconnectyah. they aren't sure about the venue - moved from air&space to newseum, so they don't know about wifi, power points, etc.16:14
* Treibholz always has the USB-Cable with him.16:14
Disconnectthe nearest shop was NYC.. yeah..16:14
* Disconnect is in wash dc16:14
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RST38hIf you have got TMobile SIM, it should work fine in N90016:15
DocScrutinizerUSA tzzz16:15
Disconnectyah that part i'm not worried about. and 3g coverage downtown is great recently16:15
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RST38hThe low light performance of the camera is kinda shitty and it has no zoom, keep that in mind16:15
Disconnecttrust me, its -way- better than the g1.16:16
RST38hIn perfect conditions though, it is about as good as a low-cost point&shoot16:16
DocScrutinizerno zoom?16:16
DocScrutinizerno *optical* zoom16:17
RST38hno real (i.e. optical) zoom16:17
RST38hDigital "zoom" does not count.16:17
Maceri just ordered my n90016:17
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Maceri swear if an n910 comes out next week i will be pissed16:17
MacerRST38h: heh.. it was messing up earlier16:17
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Maceri was getting it from dell16:17
SpeedEvilMacer: aren'yt you in the EU - I forget16:17
Disconnectdigital zoom is called 'cropping'16:18
SpeedEvilHonest digital zoom16:18
crashanddieDisconnect: depends, not on all cameras16:18
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MacerRST38h: i didn't order it a long time ago. i was going to but then i decided against it16:18
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Disconnectbtw g1 video exampl: it was super bright and loud. note the jello effect when the camera shifts :/ as long as it can beat that its ok :)16:18
Maceri learned that mistake from the AI Touchbook16:18
Maceralways give things a couple of months ;)16:19
RST38hMacer: Ah =)16:19
SpeedEvilwrt camera - light16:19
RST38hHey, you can still order Pandora, it is still coming!16:19
Maceri waited and wanted to see if it sucked16:19
MacerRST38h: haha16:19
Maceri was all amped up for the touchbook16:19
RST38hEngadget says Pandora looks more promising every week!16:19
Macerand when i got it.. it was the biggest piece of shit i've ever used16:19
Disconnectbtw newegg had it for $518 delivered next-business-day (ok cuz i ordered friday :) ..)16:19
Macerisn't a pandora like an omap3 gaming unit?16:19
DocScrutinizerRST38h: lol16:19
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pupnikyes macer16:20
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Macerwhy would anybody care about a pandora anymore?16:20
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Macersure 4 years ago when it was announced it was awesome16:20
DocScrutinizergread d-pads16:20
RST38hMacer: Out of morbid curiosity?16:20
Macerbut if it came out now it would just be some omap3 thing16:20
Macerwhich everyting is going to be anyways16:20
Macerall that i know is that the touchbook was the worst thing i have ever bought .. EVER16:21
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pupnikmacer, you are failing to acknowledge what makes pandora unique16:21
Macerpupnik: the fact that it has 1,000,000,000 preorders for something that will never be real ? :)16:21
crashanddiepupnik: bad timing, worse development and horrendous sales?16:21
RST38hpupnik: and what makes it unique?16:22
Disconnect is an example of a well-lit restaurant pic (g1 again). if the n900 can beat that, i'm fine. :) (i really miss my e90 for pics.)16:22
Macercan it play DS games?16:22
DocScrutinizerraster and me planned to cooperate with pandora to build the OM+ (aka rasterphone) based on that. Wonder why it never happened XP16:22
Disconnectugh tmo is not responding16:22
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MacerDisconnect: the cam on the g1 sucks ass16:22
Macerthe n900 has a camera similar to an n9516:22
Macerwhich was an awesome phone :)16:23
E0xhmm , sometime i get timeout from , somebody is happening the same ?16:23
Maceri miss my n9516:23
crashanddieDisconnect: that's a seriously crappy pic, yeah, the N900 will beat that hands down16:23
Macerbut i could do att anymore16:23
Macern95 does h264 dvd quality video too doesn't it?16:23
Macerlike the n95 did?16:23
E0xMacer: n95 not have better quality in video recording ?16:23
Disconnectcrashanddie: it wasn't floodlit (it does ok with slow motion/still shots in the sun) but it wasn't dark. that looks like "romantic dinner" light, but it was actually "crabshack and bar" bright :)16:23
Macervideo recording on a g1?16:23
Macermy n95 was like a no kidding camcorder haha16:24
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Macergreat video16:24
crashanddieDisconnect: that's what I'm saying: that's a seriously crappy picture16:24
E0xbetter that n90016:24
DisconnectMacer: see my twitvid link above for video. and that -was- floodlit.16:24
Macerdidn't really kill the battery too bad either16:24
* Arkenoi wonders if 850MHz/1.2V is worse for cpu life than 600MHz/1.35 (stock) and if yes, how can it be ;-)16:25
E0xtalking about battery , i active 3g in my n900 and damn that thing eat a lot of battery power16:25
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Arkenoie0x: i guess you never seen really nasty 3g networks and do not know how really *bad* looks16:25
E0xwas the first time i saw the power bar in red in my 3 week of use16:25
E0xof n90016:25
MacerE0x: i think 6 hours was what it normally lasts16:25
DisconnectArkenoi: voltage isn't amperage ? :)16:25
E0xArkenoi: true is my first time working with some 3g network16:26
Arkenoicomplete battery drain in two hours and inability to charge while data transmission is active (phone shows it is charging but actually it is draining)16:26
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: for all that matters either 850/1.2 is freaking wacky and instable, or 600/1.35 is a major brainfuck16:26
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Arkenoii've seen network spots *that* bad ;-)16:26
ToJa92I have had 3G activated for ~8 hours now, almost full battery bar :D16:26
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E0xArkenoi: so you say that kind of power drain is because nasty 3g network ?16:27
DisconnectArkenoi: g1 can do that - bring the brightness up and use gps+heavy 3g data. or gps+heavy cpu. (eg google navigate)16:27
E0xmy network switch a lot from 3g to 3.5g is this normal ?16:27
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Disconnectdoesn't need bad reception, just simple physics - it can only draw about an amp, but it can use about 1.2 or so at full omg -voooom- usage.16:27
Arkenoie0x: yep. i thought my phone is failing first time i seen it. and it was *different* phone that time16:27
Disconnecti'd be surprised if the n900 couldn't do that also. lots of devices can.16:27
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E0xin another topic , i was doing some research for try to do a app that can control mediaplayer with headset control and i find a thread about some app that do that but was outdated read the whole thread look like n900 dont registre dbus call of headset button16:30
E0xonly in phone mode , look like driver/kernel things16:30
E0xany clue about this ?16:30
E0xthis is something that you can wait be fixed in PR1.2 ?16:31
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E0xa least expose in all moment the dbus calls ?16:31
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: nevertheless keep in mind the OMAP3xxx has smartreflex autonomous regulator functionblocks that don't care about any core voltage setting and adjust current for some subsystems so it meets the clockfreq requirements16:31
timeless_mbpE0x: i doubt  it16:32
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: so even at 800/1.2 the current in some subsystems may be higher than at 600/1.3516:32
E0xtimeless_mbp: could nice if they only make haeadset dbus call be listen all the time16:32
DocScrutinizerArkenoi: and as you for sure won't outsmart the TI engineers, I strongly recommend not to try to do so, based on a rather poor understanding of the complex background16:33
timeless_mbpE0x: would you like to wait 10 years, or 11 years for the next software update?16:33
timeless_mbpevery "feature" request someone makes potentially delays shipping the product by 2 months minimum16:34
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Disconnecttimeless: er, mms was a feature request. istr it didn't delay shipping at all, so the community filled it in :)16:34
Arkenoitimeless, and they kill a kitten as well16:35
timeless_mbpDisconnect: E0x didn't ask the community to do it16:35
timeless_mbphe asked nokia to change stuff16:35
timeless_mbpwhich reminds me16:35
* timeless_mbp owes frals a lookup16:35
E0xi ask only expose the dbus call16:35
Treibholzwho the hell uses mms?16:35
E0xand the comunity do the rest16:35
timeless_mbpE0x: that's a change in code16:35
* Treibholz knows nobody16:35
timeless_mbp2 months setback, minimum16:35
noobmonk3yTreibholz: I sent another MMS today wohoooooooo16:35
E0x50/50 is fair for me16:35
DisconnectTreibholz: spoken like a true iphone user ;) ;)16:35
* noobmonk3y also thinks frals may have sent one or two16:35
timeless_mbpi'm asking. do you want to wait 10 years or 11 years for the next service release?16:35
timeless_mbp(which is already overdue)16:36
TreibholzDisconnect: I never used it on any other phone as well!16:36
Treibholzit's just a crappy workaround like color-fax16:36
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Treibholzwho needs MMS, if you have e-mail?16:36
noobmonk3yi have to admit of the instant picture send i quite like it, could live without it, but not everyone has email on their phones, mms is just instant :D16:36
evilBunnyindeed :)16:36
DisconnectTreibholz: most devices (including n900) can't do push email. and you don't always need a 5mp image. so "snap pic, shoot thumbnail to other phone" has a solid use-case16:37
noobmonk3yTreibholz: most cheaper fones can mms but not email!16:37
Treibholznoobmonk3y: tell them to buy a better device.16:37
evilBunnyemail to mms is a jiffy :)16:37
Disconnectyah. "where are you sitting we're totally not finding you in this crowd" "right here" .. "is this the thing you want from the store?" .. "hey, look at all the [food/drink/cats/party hats] we have, you should join us!"16:37
TreibholzDisconnect: it's way easier to implement IMAP Idle.16:37
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ArkenoiDisconnect, n900 does push email pretty good with NM or MfE16:38
DisconnectTreibholz: ok. when you come back with a working imap idle client for the top 10 OSs (s60, s40, sony-ericsson, android, n900, palm, j2me..) -and- get it signed by the carriers (since tmob and at&t tend to lock net access to signed apps on their lowend phones) we can talk about how imap is better than mms. but the fact remains, it already exists on all those devices...16:39
DisconnectAranel: good to know, can't wait to check it out ;)16:40
noobmonk3yand its a money maker for them all16:40
noobmonk3yas i have no mms bundle, 36p per mss! why would they dare get rid of it?!16:40
Disconnectnoobmonk3y: disable the auto-retrieve. most carriers let you get them off the web instead16:40
crashanddieDisconnect: 3MP is enough for most people16:40
crashanddieDisconnect: and I do actually mean 99% of the world population and uses16:40
noobmonk3yDisconnect:  - yeah thats how i do it normally16:41
Disconnectcrashanddie: thats my point though, 99% of the time if you are sending a pic to someone's portable device you don't need a full-res version. you just need something that is usable on that device, so mms is perfect for that16:41
crashanddieDisconnect: well, even for display on an HDTV, 3MP is enough ;)16:41
Maceri think when i get my n900 i am going to run over this g1 with my car16:41
TreibholzDisconnect: I say, it's way easier to implement IMAP IDLE than MMS + MMS is prehistoric.16:41
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Macerjust because all the jabber clients suck16:42
crashanddieDisconnect: and a 22" monitor, 3MP is enough too16:42
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TreibholzMacer: the one in the n900 isn't very good either.16:42
Treibholz(compared to PSI)16:42
crashanddieDisconnect: so yeah, having a 3000px wide picture on a 800px wide device, is really ridiculous -- pure marketing16:42
Macerit uses telepathy doesn't it?16:42
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TreibholzMacer: yes :-(16:42
Arkenois40 still does not have email client?16:42
gouverneurTreibholz: did you try to port any caldav client yet?16:42
Maceri liked telepathy on my n810 ;)16:42
Arkenoii thought it does have16:43
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Treibholzgouverneur: I am still playing.16:43
Disconnectlesee.. last 4 mms's i sent. pic of the swinging doors @ 'horse you came in on' in baltimore ("where are you?" "[picture]"). went to a cheap flip-phone, no email support. same day, "where are you sitting" [pic of the group on the stairs watching the pirate ship battle] .. hmm. oh. "what are you doing today" [pic of men warehouse cuz i needed a tux for a wedding]16:43
* noobmonk3y thinks frals should have single handedly put a better front camera in every device whilst he was sorting out the MMS issue - almost as easy as world peace ;)16:43
Disconnectso last 3 instead of 4, but still. none of those needed full-frame.16:43
Disconnecter, full res i mean16:43
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lcukcrashanddie, limiting photos to such an arbritary value is wrong, you never know - csi might need to enhance the pixles and identify the criminal!16:44
timeless_mbpwe got a cute bug recently16:44
timeless_mbpbug "browser doesn't crash often enough"16:44
crashanddieamazing, some criminal is murdered in jail, and half australia is mourning16:44
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lcuktimeless_mbp, ?16:45
crashanddielcuk: well, they don't need 10mpx... they can do it from a 480x340 security camera anyway16:45
timeless_mbplcuk: seriously16:45
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timeless_mbpi think the fix is to add some extra periodic crashes to the browser...16:46
* timeless_mbp isn't sure if we'll get approval for that16:46
Disconnecttimeless_mbp: if it doesn't teleport enough goats, it won't crash on time16:46
* DocScrutinizer curses nonsense in wiki/overclocking stating electromigration is mainly a function of temperature. It's NOT, it is caused by current density, and temperature might come in to make things worse if anything16:46
marmoutetimeless_mbp: do you have a link to the bug report ?16:46
timeless_mbpmarmoute: it wasn't provided in the email i received16:47
Treibholzgouverneur: basic import is working, but i'm not parsing icalendar correctly, yet.16:47
timeless_mbpand i'm not sure i want to generally share it16:47
timeless_mbpbut lcuk can confirm the general bug description16:47
marmouteWhat was the motivation of this bug ?16:47
timeless_mbpother apps were complaining about running slowly and swapping16:48
timeless_mbpthey seem to expect the browser to crash more often16:48
gouverneurTreibholz: its just useless atm, I keep the N900 calendar clean to sync with stuff as this is the only one which can be synced...16:49
gouverneuryou cant even subscribe to webcalendar stuff16:49
* lcuk confirms for timeless_mbp 16:49
Treibholzgouverneur: i know.16:49
Treibholzgouverneur: I just don't have the time.16:49
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gouverneurTreibholz: what are you looking at atm?16:50
DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: on the topic - could you implement random crashes on OC-kernels as well please ;-)16:50
Treibholzgouverneur: I'm working.16:50
gouverneurTreibholz: not exactly now ;)16:51
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Treibholzgouverneur: I play around with python.16:51
noobmonk3ypython plays around with me :(16:52
gouverneursame here16:52
gouverneurboth btw16:52
DocScrutinizersee, it's like a hype you could use 92 octane fuel on a car designed for 98 octane. You can't buy any used car any more, and eventually the model will shoot to top of all reports about unreliable cars16:53
Arkenoino maps of Russia in Sygic? it sucks (but it sucks anyways, eur 60 for not-so-good navigation program is nonsense)16:53
gouverneurand as python still sucks for "background tasks" I guess I will look at some other way to do my stuff16:53
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DocScrutinizer"hey! I just filled 1GHz, err 5L gasoil to my N900 tank, and motor runs like before, even muuuuch smoother" >:-(16:56
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DocScrutinizeryeah sucker, it'll probably stand 5L gasoil mixed into the 60L 98 octane, for a short while16:57
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gouverneurDocScrutinizer: thats like my car... you can attach a turbo charger but you reduce the overall distance the motor will provide proper service by -100k kms16:58
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DocScrutinizererr, *to* 100km16:59
gouverneurwith proper setup it will last about 100km yes16:59
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gouverneurtop speed of 200km/h is reached in about 10 seconds and the tank seems to leak...17:01
DocScrutinizerdon't get me wrong, I'm all for clocking N900 @ 1.6GHz, to compensate PA busy adding zeroes at 100% cpu usage17:01
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DocScrutinizerhey, I got another super tubo tweakers idea for the sill^H venturous of you: Charge battery to 4.4V, it will yield 20% higher battery endurance17:06
DocScrutinizerturbo even17:06
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* DocScrutinizer is waiting for "[2010-05-01]<blastercharger>I now operate my battery at 4V4 since 2 weeks -AMAZING, got to 18h of standby. Though recently it drops, have to go to 4V8..."17:11
gouverneurDocScrutinizer: well the more they blow the more they buy the more attention the project gets17:11
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DocScrutinizergouverneur: nope, the nore they cry and swear and Nokia gets flooded with warranty RMA and occasionally will consider FOSS devices an epic fail17:13
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DocScrutinizerand though Nokia has the X-Ray and other means to tell a device was killed by overclocking, for sure I don't so I don't want to buy a used N900 anymore - thanks to OC-kernels17:16
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Surfait ain't that easy to tell if it's overclocked or not17:19
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gouverneurSurfa: its is ;)17:21
DocScrutinizerSurfa: it's damn easy to tell if it *is*, but it's *impossible* to tell if it had been before, so all the CPU mileage has been eaten up and it will work just as short as another 100h17:21
DocScrutinizeryou'll learn the hard way when cpu fails, and Nokia tells to you "OC, RMA rejected"17:22
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DocScrutinizer"duh, but I bought it just a week ago, used, and the guy swore it's never..." Nokia:"fuck off, it's killed by OC"17:23
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* odin_ carefully tops up his liquid nitrogen ARM Cortex cooling system17:24
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DocScrutinizerWON'T HELP!!!!!!17:24
odin_ah shit!  the windscreen is cracking17:24
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gouverneurLNFCS? what you gonna try 8GHz?17:25
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odin_oh no the nitrogen tank has leaked into my pocket .... my &$*&%^ is all numb ....  I'm going to sue !17:25
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DocScrutinizerodin_: would you fsckng please search backscroll of this very chan for 'electromigration' !17:27
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Treibholzunfortunatelly, there is no python-module for the calendar, only c++.17:28
Treibholzgouverneur: I guess, I'll try swig or sip17:28
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Treibholzgouverneur: then I could just push an ical in the calendar without understanding ical :-)17:29
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odin_DocScrutinizer, will that un-numb my &$*&%^ ?  'electromigration' ?  sounds painful ... these portable handset nitrogen kits really are heavy ... I think Nokia should put one inside the next version!17:31
X-FadeUnless you chill to 0K, that won't help.17:33
* noobmonk3y blinks......... since when was i the maemo helpdesk! - suddenly getting loads of questions via email, web forms and t.m.o! 17:33
* noobmonk3y looks for the nearest maemo greeter............17:33
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* timeless sighs17:34
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timelessthis computer's dns entry is missing, which makes reaching it "hard"17:34
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odin_na batter than that, the sales man, says my kit, goes to minus 1 kelvin !  it only cost me $500017:34
* noobmonk3y cries :(17:35
gouverneurodin_: I would buy it reverse engineer and get a nobel price or sue the company for $5mil17:36
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odin_na you wouldn't be able to escape the anti-matter vortex to be able to collect your prize ...  maybe if they chill it ... it will find you ?17:37
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DocScrutinizerodin_: I'm well aware you're just kidding. Alas that kind of jokes spreads false assumptions about cooling might make OC any safer17:37
odin_well let the idiots run amok !  they do here <grin>17:38
frals~curse users17:38
infobotMay the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users !17:38
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* MohammadAG seconds that for tmo users17:39
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odin_Im sure Intel will step in and be fabricating 4GHz ARMs within 18 months ... no wait17:40
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KhertanTreibholz: calendar information are store in a sqldatabase17:43
KhertanTreibholz: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb17:44
Khertanso you can use python-sqlite17:44
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TreibholzKhertan: yes, that would be the evil way.17:44
TreibholzKhertan: but I prefer to use a clean solution.17:45
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Treibholz+ I don't want to parse ical myself.17:45
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Antibuddhahave you guys ever used mains conditioners for computers?17:46
KhertanTreibholz: parse ical is quite easy with python-icalendar17:46
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TreibholzKhertan: easiER17:47
Khertanyep thx ;)17:47
DocScrutinizerAntibuddha: UPS?17:47
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Antibuddhano i mean reduce common, transverse, differential noise17:47
Antibuddhai heard people here said cpu might be damaged by emf right?17:48
KhertanTreibholz: what did you want to do with the calendar ?17:48
DisconnectAntibuddha: years ago. these days most poeple just use a ups instead, since it has mostly hte same result (labs tend to use it for sensitive equipment tho, but thats a whole different workspace)17:48
TreibholzKhertan: caldav-sync17:48
KhertanTreibholz: hum ... reading the calendar will be the easy parts17:48
TreibholzKhertan: yes, I get it with urllib2 :-)17:48
DocScrutinizerAntibuddha: forget that. All you might want for stationary servers and workstations is a surge protector maybe17:49
Treibholzwriting in the db works, too.17:49
Antibuddhamy psu is an antec earthwatts and it is supposed to have good psrr17:49
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TreibholzKhertan: at the moment, I need to add the adjustment of time with the timezones.17:50
DocScrutinizerany surges will be eaten by modern switching PSU, and you very rarely damage your CPU by surges via powerline17:50
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Khertanarg ... python-qt4 not available in moblin repository !17:51
DocScrutinizerthe PSU itself may break, but not the CPU17:51
Khertanoups wrong window17:51
nid0DocScrutinizer, hes long gone17:51
TreibholzKhertan: currently the only time I have to work at this is half an hour in the morning and half an hour in the evening in the train. And unfortunatelly I don't feel like it every day :-)17:52
DocScrutinizerwon't convince me to re-enable join/quit msgs17:52
fralsTreibholz: if you need the time from sqlitedb to local time jsut get the field as datetime(fieldname, 'localtime')17:52
DocScrutinizeranyway, bye17:52
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* DocScrutinizer bbl17:53
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odin_more serious comment: without starting any kind of fight, what is the latest on the PR1.2 (isit?) for the major Qt update, SDK is out but whats the gossip?17:53
fralsi heard PR1.2 is coming out when the volcano goes back to sleep17:53
hrwodin_: 12 November17:54
nid0gossip is itll come when it comes, it hasnt come yet, and ppl are fed up of people asking when itll come.17:54
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odin_well seeing as I am closest ... I better start rowing, so I can chuck some new ice up on top .... ah great 12th Nov, already released huh :)17:55
crashanddieactually, in all serious ness, I have a reliable source ness, that told me ness, that Nokia has stopped working on PSR1.2 ness, and that they are realocating everyone on MeeGo and trying to get a new release out soon ness.17:55
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odin_ok well thats more useful then, so better maybe try to provide some creative input into meego and the new horizon than harping on about a PR1.2 (which I'm not sure I need, and not really what how it will make my life better)17:56
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lcukso crashanddie whats your source then17:58
pupnikodin_: the forum has some discussion about what is contained in 1.217:58
lcukno point in getting hearsay17:58
crashanddielcuk: lochness17:58
lcukodin_, you know the content of 1.2 based on the sdk - it will have whichever new qt it should have17:58
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lcukso if you have app ideas you can develop using qt17:59
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lcukcrashanddie_, whats the point in having a cloak if your account signs in sanscloak first?18:11
crashanddiehell if I know18:12
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lcukdo all clients do it18:12
crashanddieit depends on your latency18:12
crashanddieand if your client manages to auth you before you start joining channels18:13
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crashanddieor you can put username:password in the server password field for Freenode18:13
crashanddieshould auth you before you even declare your nickname!18:13
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crashanddielemme try18:13
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lcukwell my primary doesnt, so thats ok18:14
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odin_you should get back the ack from the NickServ login process before doing the /join ?18:15
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crashanddiedid that work?18:17
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crashanddieso there you go, for irssi: /server add -auto -network FreeNode 6667 <username>:<password>18:17
crashanddieanyway, 'night all18:18
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FlyserHi. How can I reset the code to lock my n900? I cant change the code without knowing the old one18:23
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peetahFlyser: not sure about that, but the initial one is 1234518:24
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Flyseroh. it worked. thanks18:25
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wazdomg, can't beleive Apple failed at security :D18:30
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MiXu-I don't buy that for some reason.18:32
Treibholzno keyboard....18:32
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MiXu-Although it does look authentic.18:34
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wazdMiXu-: well, I doubt now that it's fake18:34
wazdMiXu-: since it has custom motherboard18:34
wazdMiXu-: too much for the fake :)18:34
fralsso gizmodo is in a redirect loop here18:35
|Rwazd: I can't believe Giz failed at security too18:35
fralsbut im sure it was a good link!18:35
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|Rwazd: they got it remotely killed by Apple, what were they thinking, don't connect it to the net before you have all the footage you want...!18:35
wazdbut ofcourse it wasn't lost in the restraunt, just simply sold for 50k bucks or so18:35
wazd|R: it was killed before they got it18:35
|Rwazd: ok, then the guy before is a moron :P18:36
|Rwazd: someone somewhere is18:36
MiXu-I wouldn't be surprised if that was an intentional leak.18:36
wazd|R: yeah :)18:36
lcuk|r i thought the kill command came over gprs/3g ?18:36
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lcukits a phone after all18:36
wazdMiXu-: ofcourse it is :)18:36
MiXu-That Apple lost it "by accident". "Oops"18:36
|Rlcuk: well, no SIM and no unfiltered WiFi :)18:36
|Rdrop all in your firewall and then enable on a ip/port one by one for tests...18:37
wazdMiXu-: it's like loosing F-35 in the restraunt :D18:37
wazdor gaussian gun :)18:37
lcukphones are lost in places all the time18:37
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lcukits actually a reasonable thing to consider - just a bitch it appears to be a proto this time18:37
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MiXu-wazd: Pretty much yes :D18:37
wazdlcuk: phones, not restricted protos18:37
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wazdlcuk: I care bout $150 E63 all the time even when I meat drunk :)18:38
lcukwazd there should be a period of testing for any device - REAL testing involving having it in your pocket with your keys18:38
Gizmokid2005haha, ya'll are talking about the iphone prototype...that I Just read about on gizmodo..18:38
wazdlcuk: sure, but it's impossible to lose *apple* *prototype*18:39
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wazdyou're gonna be killed :)18:39
lcukits easy to lose anything18:39
lcukamerica have lost entire nuclear bombs18:39
wazdno if your life depends on that :)18:40
lcuksee above18:40
* MohammadAG wonders what would happn if you put a nuclear bomb in the iceland volcano18:40
lcukand i know which is more important18:40
Gizmokid2005yeah, lcuk is right...US has lost major bombs...18:40
lcukMohammadAG, europe is covered with radioactive ash18:40
wazdlcuk: I'm not sure that USA have lost armed nuke18:40
lcukvolcano continues unabated18:40
|Rsomething like 918:40
wazdlcuk: and unarmed nuke is harmless18:41
Gizmokid2005wazd: it wasn't armed...yet...but it was a fully intact bomb.18:41
lcukwazd yes there are a number of missing nuclear weapons18:41
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wazdGizmokid2005: also you need something to deliver it :)18:41
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wazdnuke is not a weapon for terrorism or something18:41
lcuka phone is hardly life threatening18:41
wazdlcuk: it's not a phone, it's apple prototype :D18:42
|Rlcuk: unless you work for Apple :P18:42
Gizmokid2005the point is, /anything/ can be lost.18:42
fralswhoever lost it probably got had a really bad week :p18:42
|Rlcuk: and then Steve finds out who fucked up and faces you18:42
Gizmokid2005just some things require inside people.18:42
|Rahha ;)18:42
|RBig brother than gets you to room  10118:42
|Rand 2+2=5 !18:42
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lcukprinciple question i have about iphone is: why isnt maemo running on it yet?18:44
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lcukor mer or meego etc18:44
Treibholzwell, it's apples marketing concept. No official info, just rumors and uncovered "secrets".18:44
wazdlcuk: there is a linux on the iphone project18:45
Treibholzlcuk: the iphone isn't good hardware.18:45
Treibholzlcuk: no keyboard and not enough ram.18:45
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lcukTreibholz, ? confusing its got ~same chip as n900 hasnt it?18:45
lcukn800 was in less capble state then18:45
Treibholzlcuk: "power is nothing without controll"18:45
wazdanyway, I kinda like the design18:45
wazdhave some quirks, but it's a step forward18:46
hrwTreibholz: n900 do not have enough ram18:46
Treibholzhrw: yes, but the iPhone has even less.18:47
hrwTreibholz: less then 256MB?18:47
nid0iphone 3gs has 256mb of ram18:47
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hrwso same as n90018:47
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Treibholzoh, really?18:48
Treibholzstill not enough :-)18:48
Treibholzand still no keyboard18:48
hrwbut has apps18:48
evilBunnystill talking about ipownz18:48
Treibholzand the display-resolution is to low.18:48
Treibholzhrw: I have apt!18:49
Treibholzand python18:49
hrwTreibholz: oh... apt... python18:49
lcuklinux has been ported18:49
evilBunnyand flash ;)18:49
lcukbut not maemo18:49
hrwI want *working* calendar18:49
TreibholzevilBunny: fuck flash!18:49
Treibholzhrw: I'm working on it :-)18:49
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nid0a calendar with some sane way of syncing with remote calendars would do me :(18:49
hrwTreibholz: where? why I do not know anything18:49
hrwnid0: thats not calendar thing18:50
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hrwnid0: syncing is calendar-backed+syncml thing18:50
hrwnid0: syncevolution tries to make it working18:50
Treibholzhrw: because it's not far enough to release anything.18:50
Treibholzsyncevolution is crap18:50
hrwTreibholz: I can do alpha testing ;D18:51
nid0exactly. the calendar itself doesnt do it, syncevolution tries (badly) to do it18:51
nid0quite how you can say "its not a calendar thing" is beyond me18:51
Treibholzhrw: it's kinda pre-pre-alpha now:-)18:51
hrwTreibholz: I used palmos, symbian, opie, gpe, kdepim/pi, maemo calendars18:51
Treibholznid0: syncml is crap18:51
nid0i'm fully aware of that18:51
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Treibholzsyncml is the wrong way.18:51
nid0and does the calendar provide any other way?18:52
nid0so how is it "not a calendar thing"?18:52
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hrwnid0: calendar is UI for calendar-backend. UI which provides edit/view functions18:52
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hrwnid0: syncing is work for app which talks to calendar-backend18:53
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nid0and are they, or are they not, all-told, ultimately a calendar?18:53
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nid0the fact that theyre different pieces of backend software is immaterial, the n900 calendar doesnt support syncing to anything. that's a limitation of the calendar.18:54
hrwsyncing tool do not have to have UI18:54
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pwnguinthe calender does support syncing18:54
pwnguinto exchange =(18:54
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hrwpwnguin: thats not calendar - thats other component rather18:54
Treibholzit does.18:55
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Treibholzthe exchange-sync works great here18:55
pwnguini click on the calendar and exchange appointments appear, does it really matter how the components are arranged to accomplish this?18:55
pupnikPr1.2 on your mind?18:56
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Timboif i wanted to set LC_ALL somewhere, where would be the best place to do so?18:56
* Arkenoi syncs to google, complex repeats are all messed up18:56
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pwnguinTimbo: /etc/profile?18:56
slonopotamusX-Fade: bug 9902. smth is totally broken in repo.18:56
povbotBug Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel18:56
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Disconnectits -really- clean18:57
hrwbug 898818:57
povbotBug Support local subscriptions of IMAP folders18:57
Timbopwnguin: is that not going to be fiddled with by the package manager?18:57
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pwnguinapt-get should prompt on conffiles18:58
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pwnguindont ask me how nokia's updater affects that18:58
pwnguinim guessing poorly18:58
Timboi'd rather use something like ~/.profile18:58
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Timbobut i'm not sure ash will read that?18:58
pwnguinyou could install bash18:59
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pwnguinand use .bashrc18:59
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Timboanother unrelated thing, while i'm here...19:00
Timbois it possible to have desktop shortcuts to programs with command line arguments?19:00
pwnguinTimbo: i think you can make a .desktop file19:00
Timbolike say i wanted a shortcut to "ssh user@host"19:00
Timbowhere do those live?19:01
pwnguingood question19:01
pwnguini set up an ssh user@host .desktop19:01
MiXu-google knows19:01
pwnguinbut it doesnt work and i dont remember where i put it19:01
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pwnguinwhat i could really go for though, is caldav19:03
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pwnguinwith todo support19:04
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hrwbug 693319:07
povbotBug Alarm times are shown wrong19:07
hrwwontfix I think19:07
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wazdRST38h: moo19:11
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hrwFailed to fetch  Size mismatch19:14
hrwsomeone can fix it?19:14
hrwFailed to fetch  Size mismatch19:15
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* RST38h moos evilly19:19
RST38hGAN: What is the bleh of today?19:19
GAN900Too much time to kill, not enough to go into the city.19:19
RST38hBejeweed! =)19:20
GAN900FBReader more like.19:20
RST38h(and yes, the L key is behaving)19:20
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RST38hI added a "Need a ROM" warning when cancelling ROM selection in iNES et al19:21
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RST38hIn fact, it is trivial to add some simple banner screen there, but someone has to supply artwork and give permission to use it in a closed project.19:21
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_Lucretia_anyone know why the facebrik install is 15MB??19:22
GAN900_Lucretia_, Python or similar?19:23
_Lucretia_c++ n qt by the looks19:23
RST38hLucretia: Maybe it installs locally all the avatar pics for all the facebook users?19:23
GAN900Crappy Tropicana orange never tasted so good . . .19:23
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GAN900. . . after a week of that California crap.19:24
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_Lucretia_tropicana's nice stuff19:24
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GAN900_Lucretia_, where you from?19:24
_Lucretia_only fruit juice not made from concentrate19:25
GAN900_Lucretia_, well, that would explain it. ;)19:25
w00t_facebrick is 15mb because you need Qt from extras-devel, once PR1.2 is out, you'll already have it installed - so the dependancies will be a lot less19:25
_Lucretia_wel you just agreed19:25
w00t_(if you've any other questions, hilight me, I'm the author :))19:25
_Lucretia_w00t_: oh that's ok then, was thinking the whole app was 15MB, but the exe is tiny19:26
GAN900_Lucretia_, gotta get to Florida some time and try fresh squeezed roadside.19:26
_Lucretia_w00t_: oh ok19:26
_Lucretia_GAN900: is that roadkill?19:26
GAN900_Lucretia_, compared to California orange juice. Which aint saying' much, in my opinion. ;)19:26
_Lucretia_w00t_: you adding friend's lists into facebrick?19:26
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w00t__Lucretia_: that, and a lot of other things eventually, yeah19:26
_Lucretia_I can't stand using the web version on the n900, it's too flaky19:27
hrwhave a nice rest of day19:27
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_Lucretia_anyone here built their own toolchain?19:27
w00t_I don't mind it (though clicking some links is absolutely annoying, they just don't seem to pick up the press)19:27
w00t_it's just more convenient to not have to scroll my head all over the place all the time :)19:28
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lcuk_Lucretia_, from scratch with bare hands19:28
_Lucretia_lcuk: yeah19:28
lcukmaking the first compiler by touching bare wires on the silicon was a bit hard19:28
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lcuk_Lucretia_, can get baseline working on device itself with the sdk + tools repositories and build-essential :)19:29
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lcuksort out space problems and its trivial19:29
_Lucretia_jesus no19:29
DocScrutinizercrashanddie: nessie :-D19:29
_Lucretia_I'd want if anything to build a compiler on my host machine19:30
lcuknothing stops you19:31
_Lucretia_w00t_: is the login to facebook bit from the fb website? because that is sooo not sensitive to key presses (touchscreen for he "connect" button)19:31
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_Lucretia_lcuk: I'm after some pointers on where to start19:31
_Lucretia_w00t_: pressed about 20 times19:32
_Lucretia_any chance you can get that in the Qt ui rather than website?19:32
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lcuk_Lucretia_, theres simply so much more required for a toolchain that not many people start from scratch - on the menu is scratchbox, scratchbox 2, madde and possibly native on device development, take your pick and read up - no1 in irc can give you more than that in a short line19:34
_Lucretia_lcuk: yeah, I've built toolchains before, just not under sb19:35
_Lucretia_so nokia are moving to sb2 then?19:37
_Lucretia_lcuk: do you know which bits of the toolchain are emulated under qemu?19:38
_Lucretia_I mean, in the build process19:38
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_Lucretia_the docs are a bit sparse on that19:38
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khertanhi !19:44
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khertanif there is some pyqt developers in the rooms, i m trying to make multiple windows but all i got is only one window19:45
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khertanwhen i create a first QMainWindow19:45
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khertanif i create a second one and call the show methode, the second one is never displayed19:46
khertanif the second window is a children of the first one i got something like a hildon.StackableWindow19:47
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khertanbut i never have multiple window display at the same time in the task manager19:47
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khertaneveryone claim qt is easier ... but found information about such result is a real pain !19:48
khertanif only the future will be gtk everywhere and not qt ... pouah !19:48
khertanany advice ?19:48
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trumeeguys, i installed the maemo sdk today, but it doesnt seem to have Qt19:52
trumeewhere is Qt in the sdk, ls: /usr/bin/qmake*: No such file or directory19:53
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trumeedo i have the right SDK?19:53
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trumeeor do i need to install Qt separately, my impression was Qt 4.6.2 was installed by default in the sdk19:54
Khertansorry was disconnected19:54
Khertananyone as an idea for my problem ?19:55
igagistrumee: fakeroot apt-get install libqt4-dev19:55
funpigtrumee: the maemo sdk exclude the qt. you should install it aside19:55
funpigagreed with igagis19:56
trumeeigagis, funpig, thanks19:56
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* ioeee saluda, que a quien saluda dios le ayuda ^^19:59
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igagisKhertan: check if you have Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow attribute set for your child window, if you have, it will be stackable, otherwise it will appear in task manager20:02
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Khertanok ... i understand ... work on my netbook ... didn't on maemo20:02
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Khertanas it s require a fucking resize to be show20:02
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Khertansomeone can also explain me why when you create a qt window in a method in python, python destroy it and why when you create it in gtk python destroy the object only when needed ?20:07
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opdf2anyone having trouble authenticating with skype?20:16
opdf2i never changed anything and for some reason it wont authenticate toda20:16
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mtnbkropdf2: only problem I have seen is the skype spam IMs I get20:17
opdf2right, if only there was a way to block screen names from n90020:18
vasily_pupkinanybody knows, how to manually activate virtual keyboard on maemo?20:18
opdf2u could put only receive from contacts20:18
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pupnik    There's that spiegel report translated.  Hard hitting stuff.20:20
* pupnik reminds channel that he was right20:21
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Bounceåòî ÷å çà?20:25
FauxFauxUtf-8 please.20:26
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Disconnectwho was saying the n900 needed a solid first charge..? its sitting at the office waiting for me, wondering what i need to do with it today to make sure its rocking a decent battery life on wed20:27
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Vreag4e5÷å çà ãîðîä20:30
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FauxFauxVreag4e5: Utf-8 please.20:33
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ds3urgg... 3 reboots in 3 days :(20:33
Vreag4e5made in Rassia?20:33
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tripzerowhere is PR1.2???!!!1eleven20:37
Vreag4e5ïàöàíû âû îòóäà20:37
Vreag4e5àìåðèêàíöû ïàäëû20:37
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wazd??????? ?? ????????20:49
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pupnikLufthansa said 'there was “not the slightest scratch” on the planes, despite their having flown through the “supposedly critical zone.”'20:50
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wazdpupnik: they can be right, cause ash won't scratch the plain, just stop it's engines :)20:51
pupnikit does scratch the plane also.  see incident report of the flame out20:51
* noobmonk3y grumbles.... work network is dying a fould death :( grrrrrrrrr20:51
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RST38hheya wazd20:52
RST38hpupnik: Were the passengers alive, too?20:52
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RST38h[just checking]20:52
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Vreag4e5âû îòêóäà20:54
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HibernicaScreen badly in need of calibration, but calibration tool refuses input because it thinks the tapping is in the wrong place. Great.20:55
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loft306bah just fly under it  and charge more for the extra fuel... till your clear of it20:55
* Vreag4e5 ÑëÓõÀåÒ «( System Of A Down - Revenga )»-*-«( 03:21/03:52 )»-*-«( Äðóãîé ñòèëü )»20:56
RST38hVreag: English only please20:57
pupnikcorrect loft30620:57
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pupnikthat is called logic.  but government stands in the way20:57
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HibernicaHard to fly under a descending cloud20:58
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Veggenpupnik: the problem is that the ash isn't evenly distributed, etc. hard to know, and one sort of lacks empirical data.20:58
*** zap_ has joined #maemo20:58 I agree,  one should use the chance now to do some studies and trials now.20:59
pupnikwe have sufficient order-of-magnitude estimation techniques20:59
RST38hlogic is easy if you are allowed to discard facts that prevent you from making desired conclusions20:59
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Veggenpupnik: well. one doesn't really know enough to actually make meaningful calculations yet?21:00
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HibernicaIf a 747 bodyslams the Alps, 'we had good estimates' won't really cut it21:01
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Veggenair traffic is, however, known to be paranoid...21:01
pupnikveggen yes!  i can look through 100km of sky and it has less darkness than 30m of a smoke plume21:01
Veggen<---waited one hour while KLM fixed the plane, few weeks ago. What was broken? A red alarm button in a toilet.21:02
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loft306the other thing is the dust can totaly screw up the ability for radar to see the planes21:02
SpeedEvilthe dust has effectively no radar cross-section21:03
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SpeedEvilit cannot be seen on most radars21:03
Disconnectguys. seriously. logic and safety has no place in a good conspiracy theory!21:03
Veggentrue. I guess :)21:03
RST38hAs I said, this is all an evil plot to prevent us from seeing God's testicles21:03
RST38hYES, He is out there!21:03
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Disconnect(istr when the dust is electrically charged it can mess with both ground-based and plane-based radar units. but i can't quote a source so..)21:04
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RST38h+ you cannot really fly above the clouds because then you will hit the solid ceiling, and the Secret World Government does not want you to find out it exists.21:05
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RST38hThey would rather let you think there is "space"21:06
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Disconnectok off to get my n90021:07
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trumeeis there no qt3support package for maemo?21:10
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trumeecant build mythtv under maemo then. it needs qt3support21:14
trumeedoes Qt maemo source has qt3support. can i build qt from source.21:15
* RST38h wonders if Xournal will ever work properly again21:15
ds3crap, did the last update break xournal?21:16
opdf2so ive made sure my skype name and pw are absolutely correct. What else can cause authentication error on my n900 skype?21:16
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RST38hAnidel broke Xournal21:16
RST38hNever fixed it, just broke it more and more21:16
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ds3guess I ought to revert that update  :(21:17
ds3maybe after finding out if it isn't more broken then the rest ofthe system21:17
* Vreag4e5 ÑëÓõÀåÒ «( Vanessa Mae - Storm )»-*-«( 00:31/03:43 )»-*-«( Äðóãîé ñòèëü )»21:17
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RST38hds3: Color selection does not work. Mode selection does not work.21:21
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opdf2nm for some reason i had to create a new skype account, sign in, sign out, then sign in with my old skype account21:24
RST38hVreag4e5: One more time: Please, only use English here and turn off automated messages. Nobody needs to know what you are listening to.21:25
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Vanadisach fuuu21:26
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RST38h  !!!!!21:30
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ds3RST38h: I am averaging 1 reboot a day to unwedge the N900... those seem like minor issues21:30
ds3yes, as in it doesn't do squat21:31
SpeedEvilds3: what're you doing?21:31
ds3might be mapper's fault thought but I don't have the time to try all the combos21:31
SpeedEvilds3: I almost never get it that wedged unless I do something silly21:32
ds3SpeedEvil: running mapper while traveling21:32
trumeeRST38h: the docs mention qt3support in the qt maemo,
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SpeedEvilds3: while true;do ps;sleep 60;date >log;done21:32
SpeedEvilds3: to a file somewhere21:32
trumeeRST38h: does it mean that the source have it but only missing in the binaries.21:32
ds3the first time, it drained the batteries flat at an accelerated pace; the other two times, I had to hold down the power button for a long time before it responsed21:33
Vreag4e5» RST38h » ok21:33
ds3SpeedEvil: I suspect something is pegging the CPU hard so I don't think that'd have time to run21:33
SpeedEvilds3: possibly.21:33
ds3btw, by respond I  mean powering off21:34
RST38htrumee: Afaik, nobody ever cared to compile this package and place it into a repo21:34
Vreag4e5» RST38h » Where are you from?21:34
SpeedEvilds3: however - such isn't unliekly to be developing for some time before it crashes21:34
RST38hInner Mongolia. You?21:34
ds3SpeedEvil: hmmm... doesn't the 900 have the same watchdogs?21:34
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ds3when that thing works, it is quite nice but the windows of time that it does work is so small :/21:36
Vreag4e5» RST38h » From Russia21:36
ds3one good thing is the screen seems to be amazingly scratch resistant21:38
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RST38hyea, right...21:38
* RST38h looks at the scratches21:38
SpeedEvilds3: possbly21:38
ds3RST38h: compared to the 800 it is...21:39
Vreag4e5» RST38h » ok21:39
SpeedEvilds3: I have utterly destroyed one screen protector by accidentally placing some seccateurs in the wrong packet, and bending up and down a few hundred times.21:39
ds3I just came back from field use and I am surprised the dust (volcanic ash, ironically) didn't seem to have touched it21:39
Vreag4e5» RST38h » but you have beautiful girls sitting here?21:40
ds3SpeedEvil: I see... to be fair, I kept both the 800 and the 900 in a pouch/sleeve21:40
wazdRST38h: stop lying to people, you're from Sirius :D21:40
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* RST38h spits out a mouse head and glares at wazd accusingly21:41
Vreag4e5He liar21:41
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lcukRST38h, which generation have you got21:42
wazdRST38h: ok! I surrender! You've already destroyed my planet to honor The Tentacled One!21:42
Vreag4e5You deserve a life to death21:43
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threshmongolia is russia, yeah right21:43
wazdthresh: makes sense :)21:44
RST38hlcuk: Last one!21:44
RST38hwazd: Destroyed? Why destroy Tentacled's food supply?21:44
lcukwhen did you get it?21:44
Vreag4e5UEFA ebnulsya?21:44
Vreag4e5» thresh »21:44
RST38hlcuk: I have no idea, it depends on what you are takling about =)21:45
lcukthe device with the wonky screen - which are you talking about21:45
Vreag4e5you how to feel about vodka?21:47
Vreag4e5ñêîêà âàì ëåò?21:47
Vreag4e5lope old are you?21:47
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threshwho let a retard on a channel?21:50
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GroupingClearSkynot ponel21:53
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GroupingClearSkyhere is a girl?21:54
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noobmonk3yw00t_, are you alive young sirrrrrrr? :D21:58
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noobmonk3yanyone know how to set a font color on a QtGui.QProgressDialog ? :D21:59
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w00t_see QWidget.setPalette docs22:00
w00t_I haven't actually done it myself, but that should help you in the right direction22:00
w00t_bbl make dinner22:00
wazdok, let's talk bout balalaykas, vodka and bears :)22:01
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lcuknoobmonk3y, using the setlabel(QLabel*) property cant you pass a pre configured label22:01
lcuksince the label itself is a composite widget added within the qprogressdialog22:02
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Gadgetoid_mbpIs there any utility available for the N900 which will turn off email checking based on time?22:09
dima202Was anyone able to install screen?22:10
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dima202apt-get install screen and i get This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or22:11
dima202is only available from another source22:11
dima202I have extras /testing/devel all enabled22:12
Arkenoidunno, installs just fine for me22:12
dima202where from Arkenoi ?22:13
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ArkenoiGet:1 fremantle/tools/free screen 4.0.3-0.3osso4+0m5 [595kB]22:13
ArkenoiGet:2 ./ libncursesw5 5.7+20081213-1.maemo1+0m5 [341kB]22:13
ArkenoiFetched 936kB in 5s (158kB/s)22:13
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dima202wait which repository is that in22:18
dima202deb fremantle free non-free,deb fremantle free non-free or deb fremantle free non-free22:19
Arkenoiyou need tools repository to be enabled as well22:19
dima202What's the locations for the tools repository?22:20
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dima202I dont see it in
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dima202oh is it the sdk repo?22:21
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Gadgetoid_mbpHmm, anyone know the path to the Modest config files?22:22
Gadgetoid_mbpFinding anything on this bloomin' device is needle-in-a-haystack like22:23
noobmonk3ylcuk, looking into the setlabeltext - it literally just sets the label text, not colours etc22:24
Gadgetoid_mbp< l2u find22:24
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noobmonk3yoh hold on you said setllabel22:24
lcuknoobmonk3y, thats not what i said :p22:25
lcuksetlabel allows you to pass a complete label in22:25
noobmonk3ywell, setlabel(QLabel*22:25
lcukyeah - the qlabel widget you pass it is used on the widget22:25
lcuknow of course22:26
lcuki dunno how you change the colour of that22:26
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Gadgetoid_mbpAha /var/lib/gconf/apps/modest/%gconf.xml   .... I love this phone!22:26
dima202Arkenoi: in SDK i do not see tools22:27
dima202Why does everyone find this tools repository except me!!22:27
noobmonk3ylol lcuk22:27
dima202lol :(22:27
lcukdeb fremantle sdk/free sdk/non-free tools/free tools/non-free22:28
Gadgetoid_mbpNow I must learn to use gconftool22:28
noobmonk3yhmmm figured that part22:28
noobmonk3ybut unfortunatley it doesnt set the progress bar color22:28
dima202 <- how i feel22:28
noobmonk3yi set a new progress bar in its place22:28
Gadgetoid_mbpAnd then learn to schedule gconftool to change the auto update setting of modest22:28
noobmonk3yin the same way as qlabel........ nothing appeared ;)22:28
lcukdima202, on its missing the fremantle ones, but it includes repository info for diablo22:28
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lcukwith a minor wave of magic wand - you can make those work in fremantle22:28
dima202ok, thanks, I will try it22:29
noobmonk3ywould be ok if the progress bar text didnt vanish at 50% :(22:29
ToJa92nice, I accidentaly opened tvo mIRC so they were fighting with each other... :(22:29
noobmonk3ylol ToJa9222:29
ToJa92well nothing happened the first time so I tried starting another and didn't notice the first one :P22:29
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lcuknoobmonk3y, i wanted to put a little app together at weekend22:33
lcukin pyqt22:33
noobmonk3yoooo yay!22:33
noobmonk3yhealthcheck the healthcheck?22:33
mecehow do I pipe "find ./ | grep .svn" to rm -rf?22:36
meceAm crap att commandline magic.22:36
dima202Is it possible to give more codecs to the default media player22:36
xeafind . -name ".svn" -exec rm -rf {} \;   ?22:36
Gadgetoid_mbpDoes the N900 have an active cron daemon?22:36
lcuknoobmonk3y, but i couldnt find a qt native method to do what i wanted!22:37
ToJa92[dima202]: FLAC and OGG is possible to play after you install a package22:37
Gadgetoid_mbpgconftool --type bool --set /apps/modest/auto_update false    :D awesome22:37
noobmonk3yso you will bastardize other methods to fit? :D22:37
Gadgetoid_mbpovernight super battery life saving22:37
ToJa92[Gadgetoid_mbp]: I don't think so but fcron is available in extras-devel I think22:37
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Gadgetoid_mbpToJa92: cheers, I'll have to have a look22:38
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Gadgetoid_mbpI got a little suspicious when I could only find an empty cron.daily22:38
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noobmonk3yGadgetoid_mbp, ?22:38
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Gadgetoid_mbpnoobmonk3y: you're my hero of the hour22:39
ToJa92[Gadgetoid_mbp]: Here, have a wiki page about fcron if you're interested:
noobmonk3ylol :) - tis a pleasure :)22:39
noobmonk3yGadgetoid_mbp, i heard there is possibly 3 methods22:39
Gadgetoid_mbpAnd you, too, ToJa9222:39
mecexea, what does the {} \; mean?22:39
noobmonk3ytrying to find the tmo thread22:39
Gadgetoid_mbpChoices are good :D22:39
ToJa92No problem :)22:40
noobmonk3ylol 2 should get you started ;)22:40
Gadgetoid_mbpI'm inclined more toward fcron as it's familiar territory22:40
noobmonk3ygotta love #maemo ;)22:40
Gadgetoid_mbpBut also means I can't package it up, or recommend it for inclusion in Tweakr I guess22:40
Gadgetoid_mbpScheduling email checking on/off would be an excellent addition to Tweakr22:40
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Gadgetoid_mbpAs the battery life savings are immense22:40
xeamece that substitutes the actual path22:41
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ToJa92That would be great :D (Although my doesn't seem to check at the specified interval)22:41
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Gadgetoid_mbpMine seems to get emails a bit late, even on 5 mins22:42
Gadgetoid_mbpWould be nice to increase the interval when on battery, too, and things of that nature22:42
Gadgetoid_mbpErr... decrease22:42
dima202ToJa92: which package to enable flac and ogg?22:42
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ToJa92hang on, checking22:43
ToJa92it's in extras-devel I think though, so usual warnings apply22:43
mecexea, worked, thanks a bunch :)22:44
ToJa92It's name is "ogg support"22:44
dima202ok thanks22:44
opdf2what usb transfer speed should i be expecting from n900?22:44
opdf2I'm getting 2.4 megabytes/sec. Is that decent?22:44
dima202I'm curious, my display dims while im using the device and stays dim for a few seconds even though i am usin the device. is this normal?22:45
xeamece: you're welcome22:45
ShadowJKdima202, there's an ambient light sensor. it bright ambient light hte screen is brighter, in dark it's darker. You probably accidentally covered it22:46
noobmonk3ydima - simple brightness app sorts that auto dim rubbish out i think22:46
Gadgetoid_mbpWell, bugger me... I think modest uses alarmd for its incremental updates anyway22:46
ToJa92[opdf2]: I've never checked actual transfer speeds, but I think mine were faster than that...22:47
Gadgetoid_mbpShame I cannae find a for-dummies alarmd command line pokey thingamejigamabob22:48
dima202ogg support is working great :)22:48
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Disconnecti already miss newsrob :( ( i'll get over it tho ;)22:48
Gadgetoid_mbpOooo, there's a GUI :D HAAII!!22:49
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Gadgetoid_mbpDear #maemo. I love you.22:51
meceok, fixed rightclick for Heroes of Might and Magic 2 (fheroes2)22:52
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Gadgetoid_mbpWow, at 10.5mb alarmed is heavyweight22:52
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Gadgetoid_mbpAnd whinging about the lack of libqt4, which I'm gonna guess is where the weight is coming from22:53
meceit's ctrl-click now.22:53
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Gadgetoid_mbpOh jesus, a headache-inducing dependency mess22:54
meceis wget and unzip in extras?22:55
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Disconnectnice. the stylus was exactly where i expected it to be. the landscape-only thing is annoying tho.22:57
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Gadgetoid_mbpWhat, where, stylus, who?22:58
* GAN900 doesn't get the portrait fixation.22:58
Gadgetoid_mbpPortrait is good for... err...22:58
ToJa92[mece]: Yes, extras-devel I think22:58
GAN900It's unusable for 90% of stuff22:58
Gadgetoid_mbpReally really really narrow web pages?22:58
GAN900and the rest basically already has it.22:59
tgalalhey I can't find call with skype.. it disappeared after switching to another skype account ?!!!22:59
GAN900Gadgetoid_mbp, exactly.22:59
meceToja92, ok yes I was wondering if it was in extras. But I guess not.22:59
tripzeroidk, i'd like portrait for stuff22:59
Gadgetoid_mbpI've never missed it, all I want is for the goddamned phone app to fix in landscape so it doesn't do that stupid switching22:59
DisconnectGadgetoid_mbp: scrolling lists of -anything-. contacts. 3 column websites with content in the middle column (ie most of them). one handed use.22:59
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ToJa92[mece]: Well you could always try and see :)22:59
GAN900Gadgetoid_mbp, turn the switching off?22:59
GAN900Gadgetoid_mbp, it's a setting.22:59
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meceToja92, I have them installed, just wondering wherefrom I got them. Anyway it's no difference.23:00
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Gadgetoid_mbpGAN900: where is it buried?23:00
ToJa92[mece]: Oh23:00
GAN900Gadgetoid_mbp, should be in the menu of the phone application.23:01
Gadgetoid_mbpIt does "portrait" or "automatic"23:01
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GAN900What do you want?23:01
Gadgetoid_mbpA "fuck off you're not an iPhone" option would be nice :D23:02
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Gadgetoid_mbp"landscape" alas... although "automatic" is okay-ish23:03
Gadgetoid_mbpDoesn't do a jarring forced-switch when you open the app, at least23:03
Gadgetoid_mbplooks like I've hit a roadblock in my evil plans for email checking domination, alarmed is bust for PR1.123:03
dima202why is "Directory listing is not allowed "23:04
GAN900Gadgetoid_mbp, file an enhancement request?23:04
GAN900(assuming it hasn't already been filed)23:04
Gadgetoid_mbpI imagine it would have... I can't be the only one!23:05
mecedima202, go with pool instead if you want listings.
dima202mece: ok, thanks i'll check it out23:07
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Macerdoes maemo5 use microb still?23:08
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Maceri was just curious because from what i hear it works with zimbra's ajax interface23:08
Macerwhich is pretty awesome23:08
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Wolfiei simply can't not post this here, and challenge all of you:
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Gadgetoid_mbp posted23:17
povbotBug 9972: Time sensitive "auto update" functionality23:17
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* noobmonk3y_ breathes heavily..... aghhhhhhhhh and............... relax23:19
Timbois there a way to get rid of the ctrl soft key in maemo xterm?23:20
Timboit's pretty redundant and i never use it23:20
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meceTimbo, yes there is actually.23:21
mecehow was it again23:22
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mecethere's a thread23:22
Timboyou can change the existing soft keys23:22
Timbobut it doesn't seem like there is a way to remove the ctrl key23:22
Lumpio-Binary search is hard? >_>23:22
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meceoh righty. the ctrl is there anyway.23:23
mecewell then i don't know.23:23
Timbothanks anyway23:24
MohammadAGhmm, does anyone know why running an app as sudo makes it use the non-hildon theme?23:26
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  :|23:26
noobmonk3y_shouldnt do? should it?23:26
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, ?23:26
MohammadAGI want it to without sudo23:27
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, install gtktetris to see what I mean23:27
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MohammadAGhmm, debbie does that too (without the sudo though(23:27
noobmonk3y_will do :D - just faffing with h/c atm23:27
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, your app doesn't work as root lol23:31
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noobmonk3y_lol should it?23:31
MohammadAGit does as root23:31
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MohammadAGjust not with sudo23:31
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MohammadAGsudo breaks dbus23:32
MadsyI'm using objdump to deassemble a binary stub, and both `objdump`, `arm-linux-gnueabi-objdump` and `arm-linux-objdump` segfaults and dumps core. Anyone else seeing this?23:32
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Madsyobjcopy -O binary --only-section .text a-binary foo.bin23:34
Madsyarm-linux-gnueabi-objdump -D -m armv4t -b binary foo.bin23:34
MadsyIt only happens with the binary BFD23:34
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frals"If it was not possible to integrate fmms into conversations in the future, how about a fully integrated media manager where we can browse all files and choose send via email, mms, bluetooth, etc combining a couple of apps into one"23:50
fralsi hope he doesnt expect me to turn fmms into that o_O23:50
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threshhow do i bind kp-enter to enter in mutt?23:51
threshmacro generic "<kp-enter>" enter just doesnt work :(23:52
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frals rofl23:54
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Gadgetoid_mbpWoo, fcron works ;D23:59

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