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| PhonicUK | Qt Creator + VNC = awesome :D | 00:01 |
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| * javispedro ponders if GAN was abducted because he discovered that the Nexus One is powered by magic | 00:02 | |
| VDVsx | lol | 00:02 |
| * VDVsx imagines GAN, texrat and Quim with N1 :D | 00:02 | |
| lcuk | which machine to which | 00:03 |
| frals | my exchange server has now started moving all mails containing "fmms" to "Junk Mail" | 00:03 |
| VDVsx | frals, M$ tech what do you expect ? :D | 00:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol frals! | 00:04 |
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| lcuk | errr | 00:04 |
| * lcuk hits frals server with a hammer | 00:04 | |
| MohammadAG | server fixed, now who's gonna fix frals cause of you | 00:04 |
| * noobmonk3y hits maemo autobuilder with a hammer..... and if that fails i will hit it with lcuk | 00:05 | |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, pfft, sitting in my backpack. | 00:05 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, you! | 00:05 |
| * MohammadAG hits frals with another hammer | 00:05 | |
| * frals feels like a nail | 00:05 | |
| MohammadAG | FIXED!! | 00:05 |
| lcuk | i let jake use the hammer the other day to bash a hole in a coconut | 00:06 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, hows the ash cloud going over there? :P | 00:06 |
| lcuk | so i was stood there with hand on the screwdriver into the hole | 00:06 |
| javispedro | frals: wild guess: all of your previous received messages containing "fmms" were all spam-like? =) | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, what happened to the hammer? | 00:06 |
| lcuk | mails sent to spam -> blame it on the ash cloud | 00:06 |
| MohammadAG | mails sent to spam -> blame it on the ash cloud -> blame Iceland | 00:07 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, it contacted my hand a few times | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:07 |
| lcuk | not at all | 00:07 |
| * VDVsx blames lcuk for the ash cloud | 00:07 | |
| lcuk | iceland did nothing wrong | 00:07 |
| javispedro | Google has too much money =) | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | it had a volcano in it | 00:07 |
| MohammadAG | or under it | 00:07 |
| lcuk | why javispedro ? | 00:07 |
| javispedro | lcuk: they ship nexus one's like crazy | 00:08 |
| frals | javispedro: :D | 00:08 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, seriously, though, eBay! | 00:08 |
| javispedro | I once posted here that my uni "talked" about doing an android programming optional course... google's answer: 30 N1s. before the course contents were decided. | 00:08 |
| VDVsx | lol | 00:09 |
| VDVsx | they are giving N1 everywhere, probably from the series that have a lot of issues :D | 00:10 |
| GAN900 | Haha | 00:10 |
| VDVsx | 3g issues and battery | 00:10 |
| javispedro | GAN900: don't say that too loud, it's probably against google's own guidelines | 00:10 |
| GAN900 | Well, bergie's N1 booted to the bootloader with "Firmware not found" because the battery was low. | 00:10 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:11 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, box is retail, so, meh. :P | 00:11 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, did you sign anything ? | 00:11 |
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| GAN900 | VDVsx, nope. | 00:12 |
| javispedro | GAN900: if the plan was ebaying it, just by opening it you already lost a few $$$ =) | 00:12 |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, checked my name against a list and snipped a corner off my nametag | 00:13 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, yeah, well, it was free. | 00:13 |
| javispedro | ah, so they didn't throw them at the audience among massive confusion and panic. | 00:13 |
| GAN900 | I wanted to play with it. | 00:13 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, is the browser any good ? | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | VDVsx, you don't own an N900? | 00:14 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, the Google guy almost hit me in the head with a "Fork You" shirt during Q&A while I was watching somebody ask a question in back. | 00:14 |
| * VDVsx has to request the milestone to play a bit | 00:14 | |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, not compared to MicroB | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | oh nvm | 00:14 |
| VDVsx | MohammadAG, yes, 2 actually :D | 00:14 |
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| GAN900 | VDVsx, pretty comparable to the iPhone overall | 00:14 |
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| GAN900 | VDVsx, you don't own that RX-51! | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | I hate how the iPhone got 100/100 on the acid3 test | 00:15 |
| javispedro | android seems to be attracting quite a lot of wince/winmob users, curiously. | 00:15 |
| * noobmonk3y wonders if the iphone is so great, could it fix the autobuilder and give me a promote button? :P hehe | 00:15 | |
| GAN900 | VDVsx, says so under the battery. :P | 00:15 |
| VDVsx | GAN900, true | 00:15 |
| VDVsx | is not mine | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, no, it can't do two things at once | 00:15 |
| VDVsx | same for the other one | 00:15 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 00:15 |
| noobmonk3y | also a good point | 00:15 |
| * noobmonk3y may have to pinch X-Fade till he gives the autobuilder mouth to mouth...... seems like the only option | 00:16 | |
| javispedro | noobmonk3y: waiit until monday | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | Weird thing about the OLED is that the pixels are non-square | 00:16 |
| noobmonk3y | :( | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | more like triangular | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | so all the shapes have rough edges. | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | weird | 00:16 |
| PhonicUK | thats freaky | 00:16 |
| noobmonk3y | the words noobmonk3y and wait..... in the same sentence?! - i just waited 10 days!!!!! | 00:16 |
| VDVsx | iPhone browser suck so much, I can properly visit most of my favorite websites | 00:16 |
| VDVsx | *can't | 00:16 |
| GAN900 | Plus it's really freaking oversaturated. | 00:16 |
| javispedro | heh | 00:16 |
| PhonicUK | iCan't | 00:17 |
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| javispedro | I can properly visit all of my websites! outrageous! where's the pain in that??? | 00:17 |
| * javispedro goes hug his n810 | 00:17 | |
| * PhonicUK hugs his N900 :D | 00:17 | |
| PhonicUK | cheap OLED displays look really nasty | 00:17 |
| * noobmonk3y can see all websites fine on the n900 (that i need too) except t.m.o.. .. and even that isnt too annoying | 00:17 | |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, on nexus one? It has less blue and red pixels than green pixels | 00:17 |
| PhonicUK | ITV Player doesn't work too well | 00:18 |
| PhonicUK | iPlayer and 4oD work fine though | 00:18 |
| VDVsx | I think is ok if you live in the US, since they have website versions for the iPhone, but otherwise is a piece of shit :D | 00:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | iplayer works fine? | 00:18 |
| PhonicUK | yup | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | it's completely broken here | 00:18 |
| noobmonk3y | yeah on the big screen version | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | ~2fps | 00:18 |
| PhonicUK | you can't use the bigscreen version | 00:18 |
| noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil, did you follow the tmo walkthrough? | 00:18 |
| SpeedEvil | and video doesn't keep up with audio | 00:18 |
| PhonicUK | you have to use console mode | 00:19 |
| noobmonk3y | anyway, downloader works fine | 00:19 |
| PhonicUK | speed evil, got your device to hand? ill show you how its done | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | n00? | 00:19 |
| PhonicUK | you'd so easily miss it | 00:19 |
| PhonicUK | 900 | 00:19 |
| SpeedEvil | as it happens, yes | 00:19 |
| * noobmonk3y listens intently | 00:19 | |
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| lcuk | ~iplayer | 00:19 |
| PhonicUK | ok gentlemen, take your device and visit the *normal* iplayer page | 00:19 |
| noobmonk3y | done | 00:19 |
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| * Xisdibik flashes javispedro :O | 00:20 | |
| n900-dk | How to show what options that a program have been compiled with afterwards? Like after you have been doing './configure --someoptions" | 00:20 |
| lcuk | doctor who! | 00:20 |
| PhonicUK | find whatever it is you want to watch, im going to use "Doctor Who" | 00:20 |
| PhonicUK | and click it as normal | 00:20 |
| pupnik | browser guys! could we have a faster way to enable/disable flash? thx! | 00:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | dr who it is done | 00:20 |
| PhonicUK | gimme 1 mo while mine loads | 00:20 |
| PhonicUK | ok so you're at the bit where you can click play, don't do so | 00:20 |
| lcuk | pupnik, a binary flash shim would be ideal for me | 00:20 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 00:20 |
| lcuk | a click to play, but done using speed of binary plugin | 00:21 |
| PhonicUK | look in the iPlayer flash window, in the bottom right | 00:21 |
| PhonicUK | there are 3 buttons | 00:21 |
| PhonicUK | Volume, Pop-out and Full Screen | 00:21 |
| PhonicUK | click on Pop-out | 00:21 |
| noobmonk3y | k | 00:21 |
| PhonicUK | which will open in a new window | 00:21 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 00:22 |
| noobmonk3y | actually that plays fine, but shit quality! | 00:22 |
| PhonicUK | its better quality than the shitty iPlayer app for symbian | 00:22 |
| VDVsx | pupnik, I think there's a plugin for fennec at least(not sure about microB) | 00:22 |
| PhonicUK | and it works over 3G :) | 00:22 |
| noobmonk3y | good point on the 3g | 00:23 |
| noobmonk3y | might stick with the downloader though :D | 00:23 |
| PhonicUK | righto | 00:23 |
| PhonicUK | but yeah ive done it over 3G and its quite watchable | 00:23 |
| noobmonk3y | thankee v much though :D | 00:23 |
| PhonicUK | no worries | 00:23 |
| lcuk | make that a short 1 liner | 00:23 |
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| lcuk | add it to ~iplayer | 00:23 |
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| PhonicUK | how do I add it? or shall i just sum it up and someone else add it | 00:24 |
| javispedro | "openinstallclickgotourlclickinstallpopoutfullscreen" | 00:24 |
| lcuk | lol javispedro | 00:24 |
| PhonicUK | lol | 00:24 |
| lcuk | it will save explain | 00:24 |
| PhonicUK | ? | 00:24 |
| javispedro | you have to do something like "infobot: iplayer is something somewhere somehow" | 00:25 |
| lcuk | next time someone wants to know how | 00:25 |
| lcuk | we can give em that | 00:25 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 00:25 |
| pupnik | ty VDVsx | 00:25 |
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| PhonicUK | infobot: iPlayer can be viewed smoothly on the N900 by going to the normal desktop version of the iPlayer website, selecting your programme as normal - and then instead of selecting "Play", click the "Pop-out" button in the bottom right (in the middle). The Popped-out version can be played in full screen smoothly. | 00:26 |
| PhonicUK | ~iplayer | 00:26 |
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| PhonicUK | eh? | 00:27 |
| SpeedEvil | ~iPlayer | 00:27 |
| PhonicUK | ~iPlayer | 00:27 |
| javispedro | iPlayer is ... | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | infobot: iplayer is iPlayer can be viewed smoothly on the N900 by going to the normal desktop version of the iPlayer website, selecting your programme as normal - and then instead of selecting "Play", click the "Pop-out" button in the bottom right (in the middle). The Popped-out version can be played in full screen smoothly. | 00:28 |
| noobmonk3y | yay! | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | ~iplayer | 00:28 |
| javispedro | infobot: ping | 00:28 |
| javispedro | ~ping | 00:28 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 00:28 |
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| javispedro | he suicided | 00:28 |
| noobmonk3y | who killed infobot? | 00:28 |
| noobmonk3y | ~seen infobot | 00:28 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 00:28 |
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| PhonicUK | well darn | 00:29 |
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| pupnik | man, time/wait needed to enable/disable flash really bites | 00:31 |
| PhonicUK | flashblock | 00:31 |
| GAN900 | ^ | 00:34 |
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| GAN900 | zerojay's package works great | 00:34 |
| jacekowski | i need some opinions regarding zooming in chrome | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | and fullscreen | 00:35 |
| jacekowski | what about using volume buttons for zoom and fullscreen at the same time? | 00:36 |
| PhonicUK | pressing both vol+ and vol- for fullscreen? | 00:36 |
| PhonicUK | seems inconvenient | 00:36 |
| GAN900 | ShadowJK, whatever it is, orange is REALLY freaking orange on Talk. | 00:36 |
| jacekowski | no | 00:36 |
| GAN900 | jacekowski, steal MicroB's fullscreen button? | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | press volume+ at 0 zoom | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think you can safely press both buttons | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | and it goes to fullscreen | 00:37 |
| PhonicUK | then how do i zoom in? | 00:37 |
| jacekowski | next press again and it zooms | 00:37 |
| PhonicUK | seems like id keep fullscreening when i dont want to | 00:37 |
| SpeedEvil | jace so you have maxzoom - minzoom - fullscreen - minzoom - maxzoom | 00:38 |
| SpeedEvil | so if you press zoom out, you zoom out, then you hit fullscreen, and if you keep pressing zoom out, you zoom in | 00:38 |
| jacekowski | no | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | to get out of fullscreen you need to zoom out again using hte other button | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | not discoverable thoug | 00:39 |
| SpeedEvil | h | 00:39 |
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| jacekowski | you have your zoom at 0 and no fullscreen | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | and you press zoom in | 00:39 |
| jacekowski | and it goes like that | 00:39 |
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| jacekowski | 0 -> fullscreen -> zoom level 1 -> zoom level 2 -> ...... | 00:40 |
| * noobmonk3y is gonna go to bed early :( - too much pudding :( | 00:40 | |
| jacekowski | and when are you going back | 00:40 |
| jacekowski | it would be | 00:40 |
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| jacekowski | .... -> zoom level 2 -> zoom level 1 -> zoom level 0 -> disable fullscreen | 00:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | how do you enable fullscreen then | 00:42 |
| jacekowski | you press zoom in once | 00:42 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm probalt misunderstanding - it's too late - and not enough pudding | 00:42 |
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| jacekowski | basicaly zoom in/out will have alternative function at zoom level 0 | 00:42 |
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| jacekowski | which would be switching fullscreen | 00:43 |
| ShadowJK | GAN900, it's because of the reduce blue and red resolution that the screen looks fuzzy for text and sharp features | 00:43 |
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| pupnik | i wonder if there is a white slavery market for programmers... | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | yeah, indians will do whatever you want for half price | 00:56 |
| jacekowski | and it's called outsourcing | 00:57 |
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| inkbottle | can i have my screen in portrait mode? Can i have a virtual key board to type in google search (example)? | 00:58 |
| pupnik | yes, don't know | 00:59 |
| inkbottle | pupnik, how then for the yes? | 01:00 |
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| pupnik | inkbottle: need to type a keycombination and browser switches to auto-rotate | 01:04 |
| pupnik | ctrl-fn-r or something | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL SHIFT O | 01:05 |
| pupnik | ty | 01:05 |
| * PhonicUK is not happy | 01:07 | |
| PhonicUK | there is no <iostream> ! | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 01:08 |
| PhonicUK | I'm using Qt Creator and MADDE | 01:08 |
| PhonicUK | and it doesn't like "#include <iostream>" | 01:08 |
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| NotDigital | hello. | 01:10 |
| pupnik | ow PhonicUK . call the paramedics | 01:11 |
| PhonicUK | its a pain because i can see the includes in my toolchain | 01:11 |
| NotDigital | so, is there any news about the n900 getting meego? | 01:12 |
| NotDigital | or is it still most likely a dead-end phone? | 01:12 |
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| GAN900 | NotDigital, depends on how you define "dead-end" | 01:13 |
| PhonicUK | I just want flash 10.1 :\ | 01:13 |
| NotDigital | gan900: "abandoned by the vendor" | 01:13 |
| GAN900 | Basically, the situation isn't even close to that black and white | 01:13 |
| PhonicUK | that said i'd be pissed if next week they announced something using a fancy new 1.2GHz ARM chip | 01:14 |
| pupnik | I want my own castle with a small team of experts... | 01:14 |
| PhonicUK | pupnik, can i come? :P | 01:14 |
| NotDigital | gan900: please enlighten me :) | 01:14 |
| pupnik | Hypothetically of course PhonicUK | 01:14 |
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| PhonicUK | awesome | 01:14 |
| NotDigital | I have this n900 and it's insanely cool, but I'm worried that developers are going to move to meego development once that comes out and there will be no more new stuff ported/developed for the n900. | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, well, API-wise Harmattan/MeeGo and Fremantle are compatible on the application level. | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, with Qt, etc. | 01:15 |
| PhonicUK | its just a matter of what hardware they have in mind for MeeGo | 01:15 |
| GAN900 | N900 is the ARM dev platform for MeeGo the distro | 01:15 |
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| NotDigital | well, not really - the n900 was retroactively named the dev platform for meego. but it was originally intended as the flagship for maemo. | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | No news on whether MeeGo/Harmattan will support N900, though. | 01:16 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, so, in summary, it's obnoxiously complicated. . . . | 01:17 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, erm. . . . | 01:17 |
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| NotDigital | and there will be a lot of pressure on them to come up with a phone that has a 1ghz snapdragon or whatever, so the first meego phone might be technically API-compatible with the n900, but far too underpowered to actually run many applications. | 01:17 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, I'm not sure what you think that statement means | 01:17 |
| NotDigital | I'm not either. I'm talking out my ass in the hopes that someone will correct me. :) | 01:18 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, MeeGo wasn't actually a thing until the last few months | 01:18 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, basically, there are a lot of people who want what you want | 01:18 |
| NotDigital | I have this vague hope that nokia would realize that abandoning the n900 would be flipping the bird to a bunch of hard-core fanboys that develop loads of weird shit for their phones, and it would be a terrible business move to do so. | 01:19 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, and we're not completely beholden to Nokia to provide it. | 01:19 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, so if Nokia doesn't, somebody will. | 01:19 |
| * GAN900 made that point to Ari on Wednesday | 01:20 | |
| GAN900 | (though in friendlier terms) | 01:20 |
| NotDigital | who is ari? | 01:20 |
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| GAN900 | Jaaksi | 01:20 |
| NotDigital | ... | 01:20 |
| GAN900 | Google. :P | 01:20 |
| dubzii | NotDigital, i agree, a lot of the 'real' fans already got their N900 and won't just buy another phone right away if it runs a new OS. The N900 isn't that old yet | 01:20 |
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| * GAN900 may lose GPRS soon. | 01:21 | |
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| inkbottle | pupnik, i've read ctrl-shift-o; i haven't tried yet, i only have 2 hands | 01:22 |
| pupnik | and 10 fingers | 01:22 |
| NotDigital | yeah, I have my phone doing the portrait-mode browsing - it's cool but not especially useful. | 01:22 |
| pupnik | or so | 01:22 |
| GAN900 | thumb-indexfinger-thumb | 01:22 |
| NotDigital | the status bar along the bottom doesn't fit so you lose the resize/stop/bookmarks/etc buttons. | 01:22 |
| NotDigital | so you end up flipping back to landscape every time you need to interact with the browser. | 01:22 |
| NotDigital | it's only good if you read pages that tend to be very long so you don't need to tell the browser what you want to do very often. | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, figure out who Ari is? :P | 01:23 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, control-l is helpful | 01:24 |
| NotDigital | the whitehouse spokesman during the early years of the bush presidency? | 01:24 |
| GAN900 | as is the backspace key and swiping from the right side of the screen for history. | 01:24 |
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| NotDigital | I kid. Yes, apparently he's a bigwig for meego development. Neat. | 01:25 |
| GAN900 | NotDigital, Ari Jaaksi is VP of Maemo Devices and MeeGo Operations, so.... | 01:25 |
| inkbottle | GAN900, thanks for the tips; so i've tried; i might not have a recent enough firmware | 01:26 |
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| inkbottle | version is 2.2009.51-1 | 01:29 |
| GAN900 | inkbottle, you're behind. | 01:30 |
| inkbottle | how do i upgrade that? | 01:31 |
| GAN900 | Application Manager | 01:31 |
| GAN900 | Tap update | 01:31 |
| GAN900 | Install the Maemo update | 01:31 |
| inkbottle | i dont even know yet how to be root (ok ill try that :) ) | 01:31 |
| lcuk | backup first | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | Install rootsh | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | Open XTerm | 01:32 |
| lcuk | unless you got nothing to lose | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | type 'root' | 01:32 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, it prompts you. | 01:32 |
| lcuk | it deserves mentioning before you are actually wanting to update | 01:33 |
| inkbottle | lcuk, backup my files, or the system; in case it's the files i dont have yet | 01:34 |
| inkbottle | lcuk, ok | 01:34 |
| GAN900 | It offers to do it for you. | 01:34 |
| inkbottle | GAN900, so i'm at nokia sys soft update, now | 01:35 |
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| GAN900 | inkbottle, do the backup, install the update. | 01:35 |
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| inkbottle | i've got a "downloads.maemo.nokia.com could not contact dns server"; though i can reach google, and nokia support for instance; and i types the address in in the desktop computer i speaking to you with "downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/./Packages" it seems ok | 01:45 |
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| PhonicUK | night all | 01:47 |
| SpeedEvil | debian chroot. I've got aptitude showing 'build-essentials' info - how do I install this? | 01:47 |
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| inkbottle | it doesn't seem so easy to update the firmware | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | inkbottle, http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam#p/u/4/At9tJHmgnrE | 02:05 |
| inkbottle | ok | 02:05 |
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| inkbottle | how can i be root; mean type su (then type root's password that of course i don't know...) | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | inkbottle, what exactly do you want to do | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | update or gain root? | 02:09 |
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| inkbottle | not at the same time but the two (i'm used when doing system administration to be root; but this can wait) (i'm at present watching the video you gave me) | 02:12 |
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| inkbottle | I'll keep doing that later... | 02:15 |
| inkbottle | thank you very much you all | 02:15 |
| inkbottle | and see you later :) bye | 02:15 |
| dima202 | why are there directories with .directory? Wouldn't it be easier without the .? | 02:15 |
| dima202 | Am I missing something? | 02:15 |
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| MohammadAG | dima202, .directories are hidden | 02:16 |
| dima202 | ok, but why? | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | mostly config files | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | unless you meant the 32GB eMMC | 02:16 |
| dima202 | No, my videos, ringtones, etc.. all in .direcories | 02:16 |
| dima202 | uhuh | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | oh, imo that was stupid | 02:16 |
| dima202 | ok, thanks I agree with your opinion | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | the old FM | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | file manager | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | (I think) | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | only supported hidden folders | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | that was fixed, but part of the mistake was inherited | 02:17 |
| dima202 | got ya | 02:17 |
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| jacekowski | well it's userland that hides them | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | if you use kernel syscalls to list directory contents | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | you will get everything | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | including . .. and all .folder folders | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | and then userland part decides to skip some of them | 02:26 |
| jacekowski | so "old file manager supported them" is not very precise | 02:26 |
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| MohammadAG | I never touched Diablo or Chinook | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | so I have no idea | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | I just had a quick read about it | 02:32 |
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| jacekowski | well, that's linux thing | 02:46 |
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| Funnyface | grr I hate websites that redirect you to a mobile version of a page, without any link to view the full version | 03:32 |
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| izzox | Hey people | 03:40 |
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| Myrtti | I'll throw the bloody Nexus One to a wall. | 03:46 |
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| Myrtti | the touch screen keyboard is the worst excuse of a virtual piece of hardware ever existed | 03:56 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, lol. | 04:01 |
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| jelmer | Sigh, N900 has blank screened and nothing seems to be able to revive it. | 04:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: black screen? | 04:09 |
| MohammadAG | charger? | 04:10 |
| joga | jelmer, what charger have you used? | 04:10 |
| joga | I had that once, used the adapter with some other nokia charger and it simply didn't provide enough | 04:10 |
| joga | I let it charge for 15-20 mins and then got it to boot, but after short usage it shut down again so I let it recharge over the night and it only reached 30% or so | 04:10 |
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| joga | with some other chargers I don't get that, and it's pretty easy to find out if it can handle the N900, the adapter will warm up :) | 04:11 |
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| joga | (significantly) | 04:12 |
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| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: yeah, black screen indeed | 04:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: and indicator LED still working? | 04:15 |
| jelmer | joga: I've only used the charger and the USB cable that came with the N900 | 04:15 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: yes | 04:15 |
| joga | jelmer: ok | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here :-/ | 04:15 |
| joga | yours is dead too? | 04:16 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: When I try to boot it it comes up in white, orange led flashes twice and then briefly flashes green. | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | then shuts down, and goes into a loop | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | I had that on day 3 | 04:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: you might try to hook it up to your TV and see if you also got vertical bars or a completely black screen with some rubish in the center | 04:16 |
| MohammadAG | removed the sim and microSD card, as well as the battery for a couple of mins then I just reinserted the battery | 04:17 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: I just get a black screen if I hook it up to a tv unfortunately | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 04:18 |
| jelmer | MohammadAG: I've tried it that with just the battery, I'll give it a try with the SIM and MicroSD as well though I wonder why that would work. | 04:18 |
| dmj7261 | izzox: what's your question? | 04:18 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: when did the problem start occurring for you? | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | TV shows greyish stripes or some small structures in center | 04:19 |
| MohammadAG | jelmer, actually it was the microSD causing it | 04:19 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 04:19 |
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| MohammadAG | anyways, I'm off | 04:20 |
| MohammadAG | Night | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: probably a mechanical problem with the flat platic cable connecting the lower half to screen half | 04:20 |
| jelmer | MohammadAG: g'night | 04:20 |
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| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: ah; so probably something to take to the Nokia Shop? | 04:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | mine there since a week now | 04:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: yours not even shows the NOKIA screen on boot, the one without backlight? | 04:24 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: nope | 04:25 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: it died overnight | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, I think there's nothing you could do at home to fix it | 04:25 |
| jelmer | grmbl, worst possible time for it to die, in the middle of this #ashtag thing | 04:26 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: in either case, thanks your comments | 04:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: you could try to ssh into N900 - if you had a working setup before | 04:28 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: Unfortunately I'm not at home so there's no wireless network it could be connecting to by itself. | 04:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-/ | 04:30 |
| lcuk | jelmer, charging from computer or psu | 04:31 |
| lcuk | remove sim and mmc as doc suggests and just try with battery alone | 04:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ?? nope, not me | 04:32 |
| lcuk | good point sorry, it was moh | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | mohamadag suggested it | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway my suggestion is quite similar: boot from battery without anything attached or inserted, and see if 'NOKIA' shows up on screen | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | open up kbd slide in dim place (or with finger covering ambient light sensor) ans see if the backlight is enabled and goes off after a while | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | kbd backlight that is | 04:35 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: the kbd backlight does indeed go on and off after some time | 04:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | if kbd backlight works but nothing ever shows on screen, the you probably got a perfectly booted system with a hw defect in screen | 04:36 |
| jelmer | that's probably what it is then :-/ | 04:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: I hope you haven't installed a OC-kernel? | 04:38 |
| jelmer | I don't know what an OC-kernel is so I guess not :-) | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok :-) | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | now that's defect #3 in ~2 weeks now, like this | 04:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer | and the real nasty detail is the FPC is also holding the whole crap of the upper half (ALS, cam, indi-LED etc), so it's not exactly an easy or cheap repair | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I just hope mine wasn't sent to Finland for repair, as it might take even longer to come back by air delivery :-/ | 04:43 |
| lcuk | jelmer, you never said - are you using usb lead now or charger | 04:43 |
| lcuk | and did you take out the other components | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | how would that make any difference? | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | (as it seems to boot up completely) | 04:44 |
| lcuk | how do you know? | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | kbd backlight working - sw controlled | 04:44 |
| lcuk | <jelmer> DocScrutinizer: When I try to boot it it comes up in white, orange led flashes twice and then briefly flashes green. | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | green also sw controlled | 04:45 |
| lcuk | backlight comes on at immediate first thing it could be any number of things | 04:45 |
| jelmer | lcuk: I've used both the USB cable to my laptop as well as the Nokia charger that came with my N900. | 04:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | eerrr huh? | 04:45 |
| jelmer | lcuk: and I've tried taking out the other components. | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | the NOKIA screen is the very first thing after white indicator LED to come up | 04:46 |
| lcuk | how soon after the white led pulse do the other lights come on | 04:46 |
| lcuk | ie orange | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter | 04:46 |
| jelmer | lcuk: 3 or 4 seconds I'd say | 04:47 |
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| DocScrutinizer | NOLO doesn't show NOKIA, but system boots correctly | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | ergo screen hw deffect | 04:47 |
| jelmer | and now all of a sudden I get the Nokia tune as well | 04:47 |
| lcuk | and how long does the orange light stay on for | 04:47 |
| jelmer | lcuk: it flashes slowly twice | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | that *does not matter*! | 04:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and is perfectly normal btw | 04:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | jelmer: I assume when you 'lock the screen' with slider switch, the green indicator lights up again | 04:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or white breathing light, if it's not attached to charger/host | 04:52 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: it triggers the backlight of the keybd but doesn't change the indicator light | 04:52 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: it would be in the pincode prompting dialog | 04:52 |
| jacekowski | omg | 04:52 |
| jacekowski | pin code | 04:53 |
| jacekowski | who uses pin | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | not if tjhere's no SIM mounted | 04:53 |
| jelmer | DocScrutinizer: pin for the device | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooouch | 04:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer | anyway kbd backlight is controlled by mce daemon, so the system should be up and fine fro all that matters for LCD display | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | which implies NOLO run OK but doesn'T show the NOKIA logo on screen | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess you could enter the PIN blindly via kbd | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | though that won't buy you anything :-/ | 04:57 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, I don't get vtbl... http://pastie.org/925301 | 05:42 |
| LiraNuna | it says byte indexes but it seems off | 05:43 |
| LiraNuna | I know the mask is a nop, but I'd expect it to be [0x33221100 ... ] | 05:43 |
| LiraNuna | err, [0x03020100 ... ] | 05:43 |
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| Gh0sty | trying to install the sdk on the latest ubuntu x68_64 i get fatal error: | 06:40 |
| Gh0sty | http://pastebin.ca/1865797 | 06:40 |
| Gh0sty | i know its not supported on 64 bit but it gives you the option to do so ... :P | 06:41 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: seriously, what part of "not supported" is it you have trouble with? | 06:53 |
| crashanddie | is it "not", or "supported" | 06:54 |
| crashanddie | ? | 06:54 |
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| luke-jr | lol | 06:57 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, yo. | 06:59 |
| crashanddie | yo GAN900, wassup? | 06:59 |
| GAN900 | crashanddie, drinking port and watching Remember the Titans on TV. | 07:00 |
| GAN900 | Going back to SF tomorrow. | 07:00 |
| crashanddie | hehe, nice | 07:00 |
| crashanddie | SF? | 07:00 |
| crashanddie | Watchadoingthere? | 07:00 |
| GAN900 | Segway tour | 07:00 |
| GAN900 | and something else | 07:00 |
| GAN900 | My dad is out here, so we're doing touristy stuff since Nokia was nice enough to fly me out. | 07:01 |
| crashanddie | hehe | 07:02 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: don't know, looking at the generated assembly code is required, maybe intrinsics got miscompiled | 07:19 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, http://pastie.org/private/dxvziaji0afzls8bxnysa | 07:24 |
| LiraNuna | the lookup doesn't make much sense | 07:25 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: are you sure you want to use vld2 instruction (it splits even and odd bytes into different registers, deinterleaving the data)? | 07:33 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: in any case, gcc generated a horribly slow code here (with lots of unnecessary memory reads/writes) | 07:34 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: I'll try to compile it now to see where it fails | 07:35 |
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| rokabout | Anyone here get syncevolution tasks syncing - evolution two-synce with n900 using syncevo-http-server? | 07:53 |
| rokabout | err two-way sync | 07:53 |
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| rokabout | contacts and calendar work fine | 07:54 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: looks like this code works correctly, VTBL just reverts the effect of VLD2 | 07:59 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: VLD2 deinterleaves data (even bytes go to one register upon loading, odd bytes go to the other), and VTBL just interleaves it back | 08:01 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: regarding bad performance, there is a bug about it already: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=43118 | 08:03 |
| povbot | Bug 43118: was not found. | 08:03 |
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| crashanddie | povbot: you need to stop just looking for show_bug.cgi?id=xxx | 08:07 |
| povbot | crashanddie: Error: "you" is not a valid command. | 08:07 |
| crashanddie | show_bug.cgi?id=123 | 08:07 |
| crashanddie | http://test.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 | 08:07 |
| povbot | Bug 123: Dialogs will be transparent as soon as tiping on the top bar | 08:07 |
| crashanddie | ://test.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | ://test.com/show_bug.cgi?id=124 | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | http:///show_bug.cgi?id=124 | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | http://f/show_bug.cgi?id=124 | 08:08 |
| povbot | Bug 124: Suggestions for bugzilla | 08:08 |
| crashanddie | lmao | 08:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | bug 124 | 08:27 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124 Suggestions for bugzilla | 08:27 |
| ShadowJK | So like, do you know of any sane project that uses intrinsics? :P | 08:29 |
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| ShadowJK | There's a reason performance critical projects like ffmpeg all use handwritten inline assembly and not intrinsics :D | 08:30 |
| LiraNuna | <ssvb> LiraNuna: VLD2 deinterleaves data (even bytes go to one register upon loading, odd bytes go to the other), and VTBL just interleaves it back | 08:35 |
| LiraNuna | ooooh | 08:35 |
| LiraNuna | that's why I was going insane | 08:36 |
| LiraNuna | well thing is, there's nothing in intrinsics to get a u/int8x8x2 from anything but vld2 | 08:36 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, the intrinsics are not as powerful as the assembly, which is really sad | 08:39 |
| LiraNuna | ShadowJK, that's cause the NEON intrinsics are annoying | 08:40 |
| LiraNuna | I'm trying em now | 08:40 |
| Ken-Young | What's wrong with the NEON intrinsics? | 08:42 |
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| ShadowJK | liranuna: no it's because gcc makes a mess out of them, even on x86 :) | 08:42 |
| LiraNuna | ShadowJK, SSE intrinsics are very pleasant to use | 08:43 |
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| LiraNuna | and GCC does amazing job at optimizing SSE intrinsics | 08:43 |
| LiraNuna | better than ICC's | 08:43 |
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| RST38h | Hehe, some ass at Apple is going to be whipped | 08:53 |
| RST38h | Lost what looks like an iPhone 4G proto at some San Jose bar | 08:54 |
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| itdock | lol oh shit | 08:56 |
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| RST38h | In related news, the iPhone shed its usual shiny frame, got some buttons, and now looks more like a Zune | 08:58 |
| RST38h | (if it is indeed an iPhone of course :)) | 08:58 |
| Xisdibik | soooo thats what i found at the bar tonight :D | 08:59 |
| Xisdibik | and here i thought it was a 4 gramme paper weight ;) | 09:00 |
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| itdock | lol | 09:01 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 09:12 |
| Ken-Young | Hi | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | morn jafa | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | how's sweden so far? | 09:15 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Migraine yesterday; planning brunch - and maybe shopping for a new jumper - today. | 09:18 |
| Jaffa | Missing Joggler hackery, wife & children. | 09:18 |
| Jaffa | And just remembered that today is MWKN day | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: i'm supposed to fly up north tuesday but seriously wondering if i can go (and if i'll be stuck) | 09:19 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: We've got return flights booked for Tuesday, but I'm thinking we might have to look at the train option | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | also possible to take train to esbjerg, denmark and ferry to UK | 09:20 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Yeah | 09:21 |
| * Jaffa 's looked at hire car, but none available in Stockholm until Tuesday (and quite pricey) and a 19 hour drive | 09:21 | |
| Stskeeps | considering eurostar being clogged | 09:21 |
| * Jaffa nods | 09:21 | |
| Stskeeps | my wife suggested a roadtrip to helsinki, but i'd really like to spare her for that | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | (she would be only driver) | 09:22 |
| ShadowJK | that'd be via denmark or via estonia? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | estonia, denmark is difficult path | 09:23 |
| rm_you | what's going on? :P | 09:23 |
| rm_you | another meet of some sort? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | rm_you: volcano ash cloud | 09:24 |
| rm_you | ah | 09:24 |
| rm_you | crazy | 09:24 |
| rm_you | which one | 09:24 |
| * rm_you looks at news | 09:24 | |
| Stskeeps | and no, just usual business trips gone madly wrong | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | the iceland one | 09:24 |
| * Jaffa is beginning to run low on prescription drugs as well | 09:24 | |
| rm_you | ack | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: got the prescription along? | 09:25 |
| Jaffa | Stskeeps: Nope; nor the boxes. I know what they are and will take the empty packets if necessary. Amitriptyline I can eke out for a few more days and gradually reduce to zero. Cocodamol can use over-the-counter normal strong painkillers | 09:26 |
| * ShadowJK wonders if a pack of 10 aspirin is "strong painkillers" in Sweden | 09:27 | |
| rm_you | well fuck | 09:28 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: I should probably check :-) | 09:28 |
| ShadowJK | (extrapolating the development in .fi and taking into account that sweden is usually 10-20 years ahead of .fi) | 09:28 |
| rm_you | that sounds like a seriously #*($ed situation over there right now T_T | 09:28 |
| Jaffa | rm_you: Last time it erupted (in ~1880) it went on for 2 years! | 09:28 |
| * Jaffa wondered how the economy coped with flight disruptions then... | 09:28 | |
| rm_you | lol | 09:28 |
| rm_you | yeah i'm sure they all had horrible trouble not being able to use their airplanes | 09:29 |
| doc|home | Jaffa: there's a reason there were no planes until the 1900s! | 09:29 |
| rm_you | :P | 09:29 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: you could easily drive from Sweden to the UK | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: takes about 8hj | 09:33 |
| crashanddie | 8h | 09:33 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Google Maps says 19; but that's ferry at Dover<->Calais. | 09:33 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Not sure company'll sign off on a 1500 quid hire car (quite yet) | 09:34 |
| crashanddie | 1500? lolwut | 09:34 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Need a company which can pick up in Stockholm and drop off in London | 09:34 |
| Jaffa | http://www.seat61.com/Sweden.htm is quite interesting on "How to travel between UK & Sweden without flying" | 09:35 |
| LiraNuna | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v24rwzXFarE | 09:36 |
| LiraNuna | this isn't real is it? | 09:36 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: ok so not supported means like "it just does not work" | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | LiraNuna: entirely possible to hack that | 09:37 |
| Gh0sty | then why do they allow to install it still :P | 09:37 |
| LiraNuna | but that video is a concept, not an actual code? | 09:37 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: no, not supported means: Don't fucking come and ask for help if it doesn't work | 09:37 |
| Gh0sty | I was thinking not supported meanth: it might work or not :P | 09:37 |
| ShadowJK | Jaffa, wouldn't train be more sensible than car? | 09:37 |
| Gh0sty | just a pitty everything is 32 bit :( | 09:37 |
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| Gh0sty | i mean seriously all my systems are now 64 bit ... | 09:38 |
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| LiraNuna | I'm with Gh0sty on that one | 09:38 |
| LiraNuna | 64bit support should exist | 09:38 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: indeed | 09:38 |
| Gh0sty | but ok fair enough i set up a vbox with a 32 bit install just for it ... :/ | 09:39 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: But as Stskeeps points out - Eurostar's booked up | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | scratchbox is a bitch on 64-bit | 09:39 |
| LiraNuna | works for me(TM) | 09:39 |
| LiraNuna | but I don't use scratchbox | 09:39 |
| LiraNuna | I use qemu-static-arm + GCC 4.5.0 | 09:39 |
| ShadowJK | Jaffa, oh I meant using train to get to/from port instead of car | 09:39 |
| Gh0sty | why they dont provide immediatly a virtual appliance | 09:40 |
| Gh0sty | lets say | 09:40 |
| Jaffa | ShadowJK: Ah, true. | 09:40 |
| Jaffa | Gh0sty: For Maemo? They do | 09:40 |
| Gh0sty | of really? | 09:40 |
| Gh0sty | where? | 09:40 |
| Jaffa | Gh0sty: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 09:40 |
| Gh0sty | overlooked that | 09:40 |
| * Jaffa been quite impressed with it: upgraded it to PR1.2, installed nokia-apps and pared down the disk space to get it onto an 8GB USB stick (for an event I then couldn't make!) | 09:41 | |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: just asked a quote for a car rental: pickup in sweden, dropoff in australia xD | 09:44 |
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| crashanddie | does not compute :( | 09:44 |
| Jaffa | crashanddie: Heh | 09:45 |
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| Gh0sty | Jaffa: just wondering (now i'm probably going to ask a stupid question) but what is scratchbox and how can you do without it? :/ | 09:47 |
| Gh0sty | just tried to install the sdk from the regular installer and such, only trying to understand it a bit first :P | 09:48 |
| Gh0sty | as said i'm not really a developer and just bought the device a week ago :) | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | what do you intend to develop? | 09:49 |
| Gh0sty | should have gone to that maemo summit last year ... but could not make it dammit! :/ | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | maybe better to get MADDE | 09:49 |
| Gh0sty | not sure was thinking to poke around in some currently existing applications | 09:49 |
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| Gh0sty | trying to do some simple stuff to start with like change the gui a bit :p | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | mm, prolly need sb then | 09:50 |
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| Gh0sty | sb? madde? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | scratchbox | 09:51 |
| * Gh0sty feels complete noob :P | 09:51 | |
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| Gh0sty | ok better start off with the non-noob way | 09:53 |
| Gh0sty | documentation here i come! | 09:53 |
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| crashanddie | Jaffa: Qantas has cancelled all flights to Europe until Tuesday afternoon | 10:05 |
| crashanddie | and they are "Not optimistic about resuming flights on Tuesday" | 10:05 |
| Gh0sty | yeah saw some reports yesterday | 10:06 |
| Gh0sty | about some new ash cloud coming on tuesday | 10:07 |
| Gh0sty | or something | 10:07 |
| Gh0sty | so its not over yet | 10:07 |
| crashanddie | erhm... | 10:07 |
| crashanddie | It's the same cloud | 10:07 |
| crashanddie | I mean, the clouds haven't stopped forming -- the eruption is still ongoing | 10:07 |
| Gh0sty | makes you think ... we with all our technology still get beaten by a simple nature fenomena :) | 10:07 |
| crashanddie | well, satellites can be used to locate the clouds | 10:08 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: ah i tought it was with intervals ... | 10:08 |
| Gh0sty | they are already talking about a new financial crisis now ... | 10:08 |
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| Gh0sty | cause that will cost a lot of money those problems | 10:09 |
| Gh0sty | and ofcourse they are going to try and put that on the government | 10:09 |
| Gh0sty | so basicly everyone will be funding the people who are on vacation right now through the social system :P | 10:09 |
| crashanddie | of course not | 10:10 |
| crashanddie | and travel isn't only for holiday | 10:10 |
| Gh0sty | what do you think that aircompanies are going to pay themselves? | 10:10 |
| crashanddie | ever heard about insurance? | 10:10 |
| Gh0sty | they already asked to get it recognized as a nature disaster | 10:11 |
| Gh0sty | so they get it back from insurance ... aka the government | 10:11 |
| crashanddie | and natural disaster unlocks insurance claims | 10:11 |
| Gh0sty | yes ok | 10:11 |
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| ShadowJK | mail system is going to be pretty screwed | 10:11 |
| Gh0sty | and they are saying here the employees at the aircompanies | 10:11 |
| Gh0sty | are probably going to be put on "temporal unemployment" | 10:11 |
| Gh0sty | which means as much as ... we have to pay their unemployment fees :p | 10:12 |
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| crashanddie | Gh0sty: where do you live? | 10:13 |
| Gh0sty | wasnt it you i talked about yesterday night? :p | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | belgium | 10:14 |
| crashanddie | hmm, indeed | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | urgh | 10:14 |
| crashanddie | I suck with nicknames, sorry | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | i talked at* | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | hehe :p | 10:14 |
| crashanddie | talked to :P | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | hrm | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | talked to **** | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | i'm only half awake | 10:14 |
| Gh0sty | spent the better half of the night trying that sdk to install :p | 10:15 |
| Gh0sty | stupid 32 bit stuff :p | 10:15 |
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| Gh0sty | you gotta do something at night if you can't sleep much due to medication ... :/ | 10:16 |
| Gh0sty | hope the airlines are ok again in june | 10:16 |
| Gh0sty | planning to go to red hat summit in june | 10:16 |
| mikki-kun | hi uhm... is it normal that, every time is use the n900's skype, my info in skype is deleted when i power up my normal skype-client after that? | 10:16 |
| noobmonk3y | nope | 10:17 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: did you put the information in the n900? | 10:17 |
| mikki-kun | well, i put | 10:17 |
| mikki-kun | well, i put it into both | 10:17 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: the n900, due to its "always on" status, has write-priority over other clients | 10:17 |
| noobmonk3y | cool | 10:17 |
| slingr | hey | 10:17 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh | 10:17 |
| Gh0sty | oh yes and I by accident deleted the facebook widget from my n900 home screen ... and can't find it back anywhere in the applications to install / installed either :P | 10:17 |
| mikki-kun | uhm, but why?! Ö.ö | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: I don't know, some bug in Skype | 10:18 |
| mikki-kun | hmpf... | 10:18 |
| Gh0sty | hit the guys from skype rather :P | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | mikki-kun: did you remove their contacts in Contacts? | 10:18 |
| mikki-kun | it's just annoying as it's really f'd up when you are using two accounts in skype | 10:19 |
| mikki-kun | Stskeeps: nopes, no accounts, just my user info, regarding where i live and so on... | 10:19 |
| mikki-kun | accounts == contacts | 10:20 |
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| ShadowJK | Gh0sty, do you mean the 'f' weblink or the widget? it's not in the add widget menu? | 10:21 |
| mikki-kun | i'd rather be more grateful if i could have it the way that the native skype client on my pc manages my status | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | mikki-kun: maybe because both connections are connected and one of them doesn't set it up right | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | (n900 probably) | 10:22 |
| mikki-kun | uhm, i am not simultaneously online | 10:23 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, weird | 10:25 |
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| mikki-kun | and some infos can't be set in skype correctly | 10:27 |
| mikki-kun | like my language | 10:27 |
| mikki-kun | if using the n900's client | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | mikki-kun: skype developed the n900 client | 10:28 |
| mikki-kun | well, then i gotta drop 'em a call | 10:28 |
| mikki-kun | most annoying prob... no vid-calls | 10:28 |
| mikki-kun | not even incoming allowed | 10:29 |
| Kegetys | skype group chat handling is extremely annoying as well, every message there beeps and vibrates just like with private chats | 10:30 |
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| mikki-kun | ohhh, haven't experienced that before | 10:30 |
| Kegetys | so when there is a group chat with some chatter on it the only way to mute it is to log out of skype | 10:31 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 10:32 |
| Gh0sty | sounds fun :p | 10:32 |
| mikki-kun | hm... seems as if the developers are kind of, either not caring or just not skilled enough | 10:33 |
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| mikki-kun | nothing personally against them, just if they do release something which is so deeply integrated it should be fully functional and have as many options as the normal skype-client has | 10:34 |
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| Stskeeps | even skype on other cellphones aren't as featured, though | 10:38 |
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| mikki-kun | well, i imagined skype being a lil bit more like the normal pc-client on my n900... at least that is what i got out of the advertisments | 10:45 |
| slingr | it can be | 10:46 |
| mikki-kun | slingr: how do you mean? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | mikki-kun: i use my skype as i would use a normal phone. | 10:47 |
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| asj | I use sip as my normal phone, well I would 100% if work didn't pay 100% of my phone ;) | 10:51 |
| slingr | i use sip all the time too | 10:53 |
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| wazd1 | Split | 10:53 |
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| slingr | later | 10:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | yup...... | 10:57 |
| noobmonk3y | good old splits | 10:57 |
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| Termana | mmm some yummy splits | 10:57 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 10:57 |
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| noobmonk3y | w000000000p - HealthCheck V1.0.0-0 Promoted to Extras!! - http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/healthcheck/ | 10:58 |
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| FIQ | Hi, do you know about an IPS or UPS patcher for Maemo? | 11:01 |
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| crashanddie | omfg http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcyton_gp-china-2010-fp1-buemi1_sport?start=17 | 11:02 |
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| frals | hey noobmonk3y grats on getting to extras :) | 11:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | hehehe! - it gave me the email about 18 minutes after i went to sleep last night ;) | 11:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | takes quite a while updating the posts, pages, screenshots etc! :| | 11:04 |
| noobmonk3y | you are going to have a mare after each version ;) | 11:04 |
| frals | hehe | 11:04 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | lcuk, Im pretty sure all you talk about in here is bacon. | 11:13 |
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| noobmonk3y | nooooooooooo | 11:19 |
| noobmonk3y | dont say bacon............ :| | 11:19 |
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| frals | bastards, i havent had breakfast yet! | 11:21 |
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| noobmonk3y | me neither :( | 11:21 |
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| Stskeeps | bacon in breakfast | 11:22 |
| frals | so the test flight between münchen and frankfurt seems to have gone fine | 11:22 |
| mikki-kun | frals: which testflight? | 11:22 |
| mikki-kun | checking wheter flying is a nogo or not? | 11:23 |
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| frals | yeah, they flew a boeing 737 around to see what happend or something | 11:23 |
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| thresh | yeah | 11:23 |
| frals | hehe, nice map of the ashcloud... http://met.no/ash/animasjon_1704.gif | 11:24 |
| noobmonk3y | lol my missus's ex was due to fly to egypt today - i'm hoping he's gone and the ash clowd drifts south ;) | 11:25 |
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| frals | hehe | 11:25 |
| noobmonk3y | frals....... | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | i r confused with that picture | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | whats the date today? and what date is on the top ;eft of that picture? | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | left* | 11:26 |
| frals | its an estimate of the coming 2 days | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | ohhhhhhhhhh - i thought i was behind the times as per usual :P | 11:26 |
| frals | :D | 11:26 |
| noobmonk3y | right... time for breakfast, ciggy then some L4D2 :D | 11:29 |
| frals | oh whats your steam name? ^^ | 11:30 |
| frals | time to head home i guess... bbl o/ | 11:30 |
| C-S-B-N900 | bad habit noobmonk3y | 11:31 |
| noobmonk3y | what killing zombies, eating bacon or smoking? | 11:31 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo frals good question i use my bros ( ashe never uses it) - my own one just has CSS on it, not used it in 2 years | 11:32 |
| noobmonk3y | whats yours, will add ya :D | 11:32 |
| C-S-B-N900 | smoking. I actually promote killing zombies and eating bacon. | 11:32 |
| frals | if you search for 'fralsaren' you should find me | 11:32 |
| noobmonk3y | cool - seeeeeeeee ya on there maybe :P | 11:32 |
| noobmonk3y | I'll be down as noobmonkey or goldie (my bro) | 11:32 |
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| Jaffa | X-Fade: Can https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9752 be RESOLVED? | 12:17 |
| povbot | Bug 9752: Autobuilder links against uninstallable libraries | 12:17 |
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| bullet` | hey guys | 12:21 |
| bullet` | can anyone plz help me remove my confusion about the latest update ? | 12:22 |
| itdock | what update? | 12:22 |
| itdock | oh crap | 12:22 |
| itdock | got used to waiting for it for months | 12:23 |
| * itdock grabs his n900 | 12:23 | |
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| bullet` | well i was on tmo and it has this huge thread now which is talking about the fw update thats 16.2 mb, maybe a prereq for pr1.2 | 12:23 |
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| nid0 | if you mean 1.1.1, thats like 2 and a half months old | 12:24 |
| bullet` | yea, thats my confusion , why is everyone talking about it ... i opened http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php and its has the version that my n900 has | 12:25 |
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| bullet` | y is everyone talking about it | 12:25 |
| nid0 | where exactly is "everyone" talking about it. | 12:25 |
| bullet` | wait | 12:25 |
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| bullet` | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44650 | 12:27 |
| bullet` | check that link | 12:27 |
| bullet` | ahhh | 12:27 |
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| bullet` | i'm looking at the wrong link !! | 12:27 |
| nid0 | and how is "everyone" talking about it, that thread's 2 months old, and only has 5 posts in the past 2 weeks | 12:27 |
| bullet` | i didnt look at the dates :p | 12:28 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | frals, couldnt find you on steam :P | 12:28 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | so decided to come back and play with healthcheck | 12:28 |
| nid0 | you got your promote button at last huh :P | 12:28 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y_afk: weird, ill get you a link when i get home | 12:31 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | lol cool | 12:31 |
| itdock | wow holy updates | 12:31 |
| frals | cant launch steam on device and cant be bothered to rdp when im home in 5min ;) | 12:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Taking the N900 survey was kinda challenging on the n900 browser | 12:34 |
| ShadowJK | In the box for comments I did suggest the webmonkeys designing webpages for or about a specific phone should try use said webpages with the phone/device in question :D | 12:35 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: next you'll be suggesting that web pages should work on any size of screen. Madness! | 12:36 |
| ShadowJK | oh crap, I forgot to put that in comments | 12:36 |
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| itdock | anyone else have broken maemo extras repo? | 12:36 |
| ShadowJK | there was a "How happy are you with the size of N900?" type question | 12:37 |
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| ShadowJK | and I gave it a 7 because I'd want it to be bigger | 12:37 |
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| ShadowJK | but how does a happy/nothappy slider convey in what way I'm not happy with the size :) | 12:37 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | hmmmm my battery is going downhill :| | 12:38 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | last charge 1083 mAh | 12:38 |
| * haltdef wants useful extended battery | 12:38 | |
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| ShadowJK | the mugen one is very useful :) | 12:39 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | but the casing is poor :( | 12:39 |
| Dassu | those are expensive !( | 12:39 |
| frals | noobmonk3y_afk: http://steamcommunity.com/id/fralsaren/home | 12:39 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | wont get one till it gets a camera cover | 12:39 |
| ShadowJK | If you mean more energy in same physical space, you need to wait 5-10 years or so :) | 12:39 |
| haltdef | 100% to 0% then poof, broken back cover isn't it4 | 12:39 |
| haltdef | or is that sorted? | 12:39 |
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| noobmonk3y_afk | meh steam is on the pc downstairs lol | 12:40 |
| Chiku | why theree is no PR1.5 beta enable for testers? | 12:40 |
| Chiku | PR1.2 | 12:40 |
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| ShadowJK | the 100-0 thing goes away if you boot your n900 when it's not warm | 12:40 |
| ShadowJK | or rather, when the battery isn't warm. 20C works | 12:41 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | Chiku, it is being tested | 12:41 |
| haltdef | :| | 12:41 |
| Chiku | firmware is closed licence? | 12:41 |
| crashanddie | lol | 12:42 |
| ShadowJK | the missing microsd is a bit annoying, yeah ;( | 12:42 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | whats that got to do with testing? | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | There's this ad-campaign against smoking | 12:42 |
| * ShadowJK is considering gutting some earbuds for a magnet | 12:42 | |
| crashanddie | thing is, they show it everytime I want a cigarette, so they're just reminding me | 12:42 |
| frals | Chiku: or the ones who got it are told not to talk about it, who knows? ;) | 12:42 |
| crashanddie | brb | 12:42 |
| haltdef | stock battery is just about enough for me | 12:42 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | could do with double the life, and wouldnt care about double the depth....... | 12:43 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | just want the casing to be done well | 12:43 |
| Chiku | could we enable to get firmware code? | 12:43 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | Chiku, enable what?! | 12:43 |
| Chiku | any versioning repository ? | 12:43 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | Chiku, you need to speak english, i assum you mean can you test | 12:43 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | the answer will be no | 12:43 |
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| noobmonk3y_afk | selected testers as frals kinda said | 12:44 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | assume* | 12:44 |
| Chiku | like linux kernel | 12:44 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | <noobmonk3y_afk> the answer will be no | 12:44 |
| Chiku | you can download and compile the developping code | 12:44 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | unless you bastardise it and create PR 1.2 yourself? | 12:44 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | well Chiku yes, but that would be your version, where would you get the code for 1.2 from? | 12:44 |
| Chiku | or just read code | 12:45 |
| frals | Chiku: a lot of the components are on maemo.gitorious.org | 12:45 |
| * noobmonk3y_afk smiles | 12:45 | |
| frals | where you can dl and compile it yourself | 12:45 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | hmmmm is it me or is the CSS styling on QT very very intermittent? | 12:45 |
| frals | might not be possible to do OTA upgrade to PR1.2 after doing that thou | 12:45 |
| ShadowJK | haltdef, yeah, the original lasts through the day for me as long as nobody tries to bruteforce ssh access :| | 12:45 |
| ShadowJK | and as long as the wifi powerconsumption bug doesn't strike | 12:45 |
| haltdef | haha | 12:45 |
| Chiku | what about PR1.1.1? can we get the code or there are only bnaries? | 12:45 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | Chiku, code is available, except for the closed source parts | 12:46 |
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| haltdef | I still keep my old xperia x1 in my bag just in case | 12:46 |
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| Chiku | how many percentage of closed source parts? | 12:47 |
| Chiku | so maemo has some opensource part and some closed source part? | 12:48 |
| noobmonk3y | ChanServ, - http://maemo.org/development/sources/ | 12:48 |
| frals | http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development | 12:49 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:49 |
| noobmonk3y | between us we will rule the world frals ;) | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | Chiku: ~43% open parts | 12:49 |
| frals | ;) | 12:49 |
| frals | now if only lcuk would wake up.. hmm | 12:49 |
| frals | BACON! | 12:49 |
| noobmonk3y | Stskeeps, are you sure its not 42.999? ;) lol | 12:49 |
| noobmonk3y | Beer-Can | 12:49 |
| noobmonk3y | nope didnt work :( | 12:50 |
| Chiku | does android code same strategy? opensource + closed source? | 12:51 |
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| Chiku | does all mer code is open? | 12:52 |
| frals | now, where do i find someone with 1.2 that i can unleash my package on... *glances around* | 12:52 |
| * noobmonk3y shouts BACON again | 12:53 | |
| crashanddie | what's with all the pr1.2 discussion? | 12:53 |
| noobmonk3y | for no reason whatsoever | 12:53 |
| noobmonk3y | crashanddie, Chiku is learning | 12:53 |
| Chiku | about meamo and opensource code | 12:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | For those waiting for PR1.2 - http://www.mauve.plus.com/1271538541770.jpg | 12:56 |
| Chiku | interesting link http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture | 12:56 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: :D | 12:56 |
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| MohammadAG | Morning | 12:58 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | thanks SpeedEvil, eased the pain. | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | Chiku: if you want a open system (some closed parts in differentiation and hardware adaptation), meego's your best bet | 12:59 |
| ToJa92 | [SpeedEvil]: Haha, that should be posted in every new PR1.2 thread :P | 13:01 |
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| noobmonk3y | moaning MohammadAG | 13:01 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | yo mo! | 13:01 |
| Chiku | what will be evolution meamo after fremantle? meamo developpers will use meego? | 13:01 |
| MohammadAG | hey noobmonk3y | 13:02 |
| MohammadAG | lol C-S-B-N900 | 13:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ;) | 13:02 |
| crashanddie | Chiku: everything you're asking has been answered multiple times on the mailing lists and forums | 13:02 |
| crashanddie | Chiku: how about you use google or browse the forums for a while? | 13:02 |
| Chiku | ok | 13:02 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:02 |
| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, used CSS in QT? | 13:03 |
| MohammadAG | tbh I've never used either alone lol | 13:03 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh | 13:03 |
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| MohammadAG | if I break mce | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | what would happen? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | reboots | 13:11 |
| noobmonk3y | erm.... | 13:11 |
| noobmonk3y | i think your pet cat will be safe, not so sure about your n900 | 13:11 |
| MohammadAG | eek start: mce pre-start process terminated with status 1 | 13:11 |
| frals | so this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50326 | 13:12 |
| frals | "dont buy nokia/maemo - companies selling software for it might shutdown" | 13:12 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 13:12 |
| noobmonk3y | frals... dont buy any car in that situation | 13:12 |
| noobmonk3y | and for the love of god dont fly you may get ash up your nose ;) | 13:12 |
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| MohammadAG | doesn't -9 force kill? | 13:15 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 13:17 |
| MohammadAG | killall -9 | 13:18 |
| frals | yes -9 is like dropping an abomb on it | 13:18 |
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| frals | you cant ignore it and your most likely gonna die | 13:18 |
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| MohammadAG | frals, I think the abomb has a broken fuse | 13:18 |
| MohammadAG | any tactical nuke commands? :p | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | kill -9 isn't killing it | 13:19 |
| ShadowJK | Things don't die from it if they're stuck niside the kernel in an undead limbo | 13:19 |
| frals | what state is the process in? | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | how do I check? | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | says D in ps x, not sure what that means | 13:20 |
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| ShadowJK | blocked waiting for IO | 13:20 |
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| SpeedEvil | it means that it is deadlocked waiting on something that's not happening | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | the process has not run since you issued the kill command | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | so it's not really running | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | actually it crashed mce | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | it's been in D ever since it did that | 13:21 |
| MohammadAG | and it's not dying | 13:21 |
| SpeedEvil | It is not actually running | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | it will not be scheduled again until the IO operation returns. | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | but it's stopping mce from running | 13:22 |
| SpeedEvil | At which time it will formally die | 13:22 |
| MohammadAG | and it needs mce | 13:23 |
| SpeedEvil | sometimes you just need to reboot | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | suppose mce is borked | 13:23 |
| MohammadAG | R&D mode with the wd disabled should allow a reboot right? | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | dunno | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | worst case, pull the battery | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | and if mce's permanently broken? :) | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | you mean if it crashes every boot? | 13:24 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 13:24 |
| SpeedEvil | run it under gdb, work out what it's doing | 13:25 |
| SpeedEvil | possibly fix the kernel | 13:25 |
| MohammadAG | mmk, rebooting | 13:25 |
| noobmonk3y | meh | 13:26 |
| noobmonk3y | not having fun with pyqt CSS......... need something else to think about | 13:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | wb | 13:27 |
| MohammadAG | ty | 13:32 |
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| crashanddie | Television is like an impossible steak, it's rare when it's well done. | 13:36 |
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| mavhc | there's usually an hour of great tv per day on average | 13:38 |
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| Arkenoi | mavhc: which means it is practically impossible to find among thousands of channels | 13:40 |
| mavhc | not really, just bittorrent it | 13:41 |
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| pupnik | !ufthansa, Air Berlin protest: government issued ban with NO measurements of whether there WERE dangerous levels of ash over germany http://www.spiegel.de/reise/deutschland/0,1518,689638,00.html | 13:52 |
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| pupnik | Lufthansa sent two test flights from munich to frankfurt with NO signs of ANY damage. | 13:54 |
| * pupnik was right. Again! | 13:54 | |
| Stskeeps | and how about the finnish f16's? :P | 13:55 |
| frals | f-18s wasnt it | 13:55 |
| pupnik | they flew through ash | 13:55 |
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| pupnik | the question isnt "can ash do damage". the damn question is "where is it, and how much" | 13:56 |
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| MohammadAG | lol some guy on the news says the cloud might reach us | 13:57 |
| pupnik | see the satellite pics | 13:57 |
| Trizt | The incident with BA, they flew directly into a visible cloud, so yes it feels that its an over reaction this time | 13:58 |
| ShadowJK | F-18 | 13:58 |
| pupnik | correct, Trizt | 13:59 |
| yabba | Well, from finland, the sky is gray... I think it is the ash (because those cant be the clouds because , Weather.com said it should be sunny here now :p ) | 13:59 |
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| pupnik | yeah making it to finland looks pretty bad | 13:59 |
| pcfe | pupnik: test flights?!? All I've read was they transferred planes to their main hub in FFM so that when airspace reopens they are where they should be. And those flights were at very low altitude | 13:59 |
| * pcfe is stuck in MUC and wants to go back home to HEL | 14:00 | |
| pupnik | 24000 feet / ~8km and 30000 feet | 14:00 |
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| ShadowJK | Well even if half a dozen planes were to drop it wouldn't make airtravel statistically less safe than other forms, but you know that if even one plane drops everyone will blame the government for not closing airspace :) | 14:01 |
| frals | pcfe: take the train to sweden and jump on a boat ;) | 14:01 |
| ShadowJK | ooh yay, bq27200 completed a learning cycle on the mugen battery | 14:02 |
| pupnik | *some* people. idiots. infants. | 14:02 |
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| pcfe | frals: looked at that. It's my fallback plan if no dice by Tuesday | 14:03 |
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| ShadowJK | Last Measured Discharge: 2448mAh | 14:03 |
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| Termana | yabba: The interwebs can't possibly be wrong :P | 14:03 |
| yabba | no, they can't :p | 14:04 |
| yabba | And I also think that the ash is lowering the temperatures, there's only about +5C outside, but it should be 10 :/ | 14:05 |
| ShadowJK | there was snow this morning (in .fi) | 14:06 |
| * MohammadAG hasn't seen proper snow in four years | 14:07 | |
| Arkenoi | it appears that chromium is faster than microB, is it true? | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | webkit vs not | 14:07 |
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| * Arkenoi tried installing Tear but it just crashes on start | 14:08 | |
| yabba | and now it is raining, at least water not snow :) | 14:08 |
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| Chiku | chromium is ported on meame? | 14:09 |
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| yabba | lold, I was tired yesterday, I have stop coding, only problem is that now in the code is line "if data == " and I just hope to find out what I was thinking to put in it. | 14:12 |
| Arkenoi | and what's wrong with certificates? seems that it just cannot validate any | 14:12 |
| Arkenoi | (it == chromium) | 14:12 |
| MohammadAG | * Arkenoi tried installing Tear but it just crashes on start | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | edit the .desktop file | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | remove the icon= part | 14:13 |
| Arkenoi | thanks | 14:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: chjrome is slower for me | 14:14 |
| FredrIQ | can i select frame skip in VGBA? | 14:14 |
| FredrIQ | as the speed is really slow | 14:14 |
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| crashanddie | lmao | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | someone is going to get sacked | 14:16 |
| crashanddie | "Apache Corp accidentally tipped off analysts to their upcoming $2.7 billion deal with Mariner Energy, sending out an email on Wednesday evening to schedule a conference call on the takeover." | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | or someone who was aginst the merger | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:17 |
| * pupnik hates mergers | 14:18 | |
| pupnik | all systems go kablooey | 14:18 |
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| wazd1 | http://lotro.ucoz.ru/matrix.html <- some very rough WIP but still cute :D | 14:21 |
| jacekowski | yabba: i've read article about temperatures after 9/11 when they grounded a lot of planes as well | 14:21 |
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| jacekowski | yabba: and it apparently dropped a lot because of that | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd1: bring back colour cycling gifs! | 14:22 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, frals wazzup | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | wazd1: does that spell 'h i r e w a z d'? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: however - that was somewhat due to lack of nucleation sites | 14:22 |
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| wazd1 | SpeedEvil: wha? :D | 14:22 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: which is really, really not the case. | 14:22 |
| wazd1 | Stskeeps: no, just OBEY :D | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | lmao I have more free space in / than in /home | 14:23 |
| yabba | jacekowski, yeah, I sure about that, but I was thinking more about drop caused ashcloud it self (mirroring sunlight), not polution of planes | 14:23 |
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| jacekowski | it mirrors heat both ways | 14:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk, you fail | 14:24 |
| noobmonk3y | fail fail fail | 14:24 |
| noobmonk3y | not even Bacon can wake you up! ;) | 14:25 |
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| lcuk | of course not, yesterday was a long day | 14:25 |
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| frals | o/ lcuk | 14:25 |
| frals | kebab roll ordered \o/ | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | i miss being able to pick up the phone and order junkfood | 14:26 |
| yabba | jacekowski, I don't really know those things, my enviromental love ended up when Al Gore said that I should stop drive my car (just for fun) | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | i have to learn polish to do that here | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:26 |
| frals | lol Stskeeps | 14:26 |
| frals | my pizzeria actually have an online site to order from as well | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that too | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd1: color cycling is GIF animation by altering just the pallette per frame. you can do the matrix shot like that almost free. | 14:26 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: does that mean you actually eat less junk food? | 14:26 |
| frals | but its +2€ on everything compared to phone :D | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | wazd1: (if the hardware supports pallette maped mode) | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: yes :/ | 14:27 |
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| crashanddie | frals: where do you live? | 14:27 |
| jacekowski | yabba: well, that's prove that he's a moron and we can't create any long term effects | 14:27 |
| frals | stockholm, sweden | 14:27 |
| * FredrIQ as well | 14:27 | |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, you have a point if it does, but afaik i dont think it does | 14:27 |
| * lcuk dares to open email | 14:27 | |
| frals | wtf, another n900 owner in stockholm? impossible! | 14:27 |
| wazd1 | SpeedEvil: kthxbye :D | 14:27 |
| yabba | Be happy that you have a pizzeria (good one) near you, I live in place where the nearest (good one) is more than 100km away. It is hard, because just few weeks ago the nearest one was just a 400m :( | 14:27 |
| wazd1 | SpeedEvil: this is for Live Wallpapers, no gif animation allowed :) | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | frals: http://mat24.se/ | 14:28 |
| frals | hehe, my pizzeria is about 10m away once i get down the stairs | 14:28 |
| noobmonk3y | .me wants food | 14:28 |
| frals | crashanddie: didnt know about that site lol, cheers | 14:28 |
| crashanddie | frals: it's the same company that does www.just-eat.co.uk | 14:29 |
| crashanddie | that's how I know it | 14:29 |
| frals | ah | 14:29 |
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| lcuk | mornin crashanddie | 14:30 |
| lcuk | wazd1, there are no rules | 14:30 |
| frals | FredrIQ: you actually seen any n900 in the wild around sthlm? | 14:30 |
| pupnik | yabba: you can make your own and slowly improve your technique. it can be fun. | 14:30 |
| lcuk | nothing is fixed yet | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | morning lcuk | 14:30 |
| crashanddie | in the UK it's especially useful, as you don't need to battle pronouncing farsi dishes with a french accent to a polish bloke over the phone | 14:30 |
| lcuk | we might get you ani gif support | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, didn't you just have food? | 14:30 |
| crashanddie | moin lcuk | 14:30 |
| frals | lol crashanddie | 14:30 |
| noobmonk3y | nope | 14:30 |
| noobmonk3y | had a shower tho | 14:30 |
| MohammadAG | same thing | 14:31 |
| lcuk | birthday? | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 14:31 |
| wazd1 | lcuk: there are, if you have the deadline tomorrow :) | 14:31 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 14:31 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: girlfriend's birthday | 14:31 |
| lcuk | wazd1, :) | 14:31 |
| lcuk | the cityscape makes an excellent proof of concept | 14:31 |
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| yabba | pupnik, or I can put my wife do one (or I can do it by myself), but then I had to help her and I'm pretty lazy about doing food today :p | 14:33 |
| crashanddie | <yabba> I'm pretty lazy <-- there, fixed that for you | 14:33 |
| lcuk | o_O people have found my first ever liqbase video and someone has reposted the comments etc - tis odd blogrape http://bhbodeezy.com/visual-studio/lcuk-liqbase-overview/ | 14:33 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, wasn't me btw | 14:34 |
| lcuk | lol MohammadAG | 14:34 |
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| lcuk | i just got a google alert about it and saw comments posted this morning that are ancient | 14:34 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: lol? | 14:35 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, on that link i just posted | 14:35 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: no yeah I looked at it | 14:35 |
| lcuk | its a blog, someone has pasted the liqbase video and copied all the YT comments into it | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | are you going to mail the guy? | 14:36 |
| lcuk | from this morning | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | I think it's automated | 14:36 |
| wazd1 | http://lotro.ucoz.ru/matrix.html <- with widgets | 14:36 |
| lcuk | if i mail everyone who plays wiv liqbase i would have no fingers left | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | 1 down, 9 to go | 14:36 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: this guy is a commercial developer | 14:36 |
| pupnik | government is just one unnatural disaster after another | 14:36 |
| lcuk | and crashanddie | 14:36 |
| lcuk | he also has a c drive | 14:37 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: he says he developed it, and from his site "If there is something that you would like created, and it requires any of these, and if its something not listed, just ask, can probably do it in any language you need. If you can think it BHBodeezy can build it, rather quickly as well and for a fair price." | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | wazd1, that's faster than the live wallpaper demo backgrounds lol | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | someone should replace the demo :p | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | eh crashanddie ? | 14:38 |
| lcuk | where does he say that about liqbase | 14:38 |
| lcuk | and even if he did, its open source | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: it's just in the about section | 14:38 |
| lcuk | he can do what he wants | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: he says "Overview of the application I've been hacking together" | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | (just a copy from your text, but still) | 14:38 |
| crashanddie | he's taking your credit mate | 14:39 |
| lcuk | i dont see it | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | http://bhbodeezy.com/visual-studio/lcuk-liqbase-overview/ | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | under the youtube video | 14:39 |
| wazd1 | MohammadAG: that won't be that smooth btw. It's made with some cuts right now | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | "overview of the application I’ve been hacking together for my nokia n810" | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | I'VE | 14:39 |
| lcuk | yeah thats the test from yt | 14:39 |
| lcuk | text | 14:39 |
| crashanddie | but he doesn't say he copied it from yt | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | wazd1, err, cuts? | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | there's a difference between copying/pasting, and quoting | 14:40 |
| crashanddie | one gives credit, the other is called plagiarism | 14:40 |
| lcuk | meh - lets see what he can do with it | 14:40 |
| frals | downside with kebab roll is you cant code while eating it since you need both hands :< | 14:40 |
| wazd1 | MohammadAG: I was too lazy to bind each frame to go exactly 20 px down | 14:40 |
| wazd1 | MohammadAG: so now it's just simple motion tween | 14:40 |
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| wazd1 | MohammadAG: LW will have all that stuff and will look like the real thing :) | 14:41 |
| lcuk | lw? | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | lol wut | 14:41 |
| crashanddie | :P | 14:41 |
| frals | live wp | 14:41 |
| lcuk | heh | 14:41 |
| frals | i guess? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | lol @ lolwut | 14:42 |
| * MohammadAG patiently waits | 14:42 | |
| lcuk | i believe there is a gtk animated gif widget somewhere | 14:42 |
| lcuk | can anyone find it? | 14:43 |
| wazd1 | geekiest wallpaper for geekiest phone I suppose | 14:43 |
| crashanddie | a gtk animated gif midget? | 14:43 |
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| wazd1 | crashanddie: no, that's a masturbation with photoshop :D | 14:43 |
| lcuk | nahhh wazd1 we will have much geekier wallpapers eventually | 14:44 |
| lcuk | :D animated widget will walk on live background | 14:44 |
| lcuk | and randomly pickup and move widgets about | 14:45 |
| lcuk | just to piss you off | 14:45 |
| * RST38h moos evily at wazd and lcuk | 14:45 | |
| lcuk | animated midget * | 14:45 |
| RST38h | ll | 14:45 |
| wazd1 | RST38h: heya | 14:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: How are things? | 14:45 |
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| wazd1 | RST38h: http://lotro.ucoz.ru/matrix.html :) | 14:46 |
| crashanddie | wazd1: noooooo, not flash | 14:47 |
| crashanddie | not you :((( | 14:47 |
| wazd1 | crashanddie: well, that's just a showcase :) | 14:47 |
| wazd1 | crashanddie: it won't be in flash on the device | 14:48 |
| ToJa92 | [wazd1]: Looks awesome | 14:48 |
| crashanddie | well i definitely hope so | 14:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: !!!! | 14:48 |
| RST38h | wazd: better than in the movie | 14:49 |
| crashanddie | wazd1: you're awesome, do you think you can transform the N900's screen to become a projector? | 14:49 |
| wazd1 | RST38h: hehe :) | 14:49 |
| FredrIQ | [13:31:26] <frals> FredrIQ: you actually seen any n900 in the wild around sthlm? | 14:49 |
| wazd1 | crashanddie: I can't transform distant objects :D | 14:50 |
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| FredrIQ | no, just iPhones, samsung galaxys, and occiounsily (yay my english spelling) a htc phone | 14:50 |
| Trizt | FredrIQ; but thats for it's just morons living in 08-area | 14:51 |
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| frals | i need some volunteers to run 2 commands for me and pm me the output (on device) | 15:02 |
| frals | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.read_hplmn | 15:02 |
| frals | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name | 15:02 |
| frals | and then PM me the result as well as your carrier+country please :) | 15:02 |
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| frals | nice noobmonk3y you just volunteerd | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | yup | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | just loadin gup the n900 | 15:05 |
| frals | :) | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | so i can copy and not have to type it ;) | 15:05 |
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| noobmonk3y | just gonna paste em back in so i can copy em out ;) | 15:05 |
| noobmonk3y | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.read_hplmn | 15:05 |
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| noobmonk3y | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.read_hplmn | 15:06 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders what that is | 15:06 | |
| * lcuk is updating ubumtu | 15:06 | |
| detective | hi, how can i remove the dot animation at startup? i want to see the dmesg output while booting O_o | 15:06 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y_: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM Phone.Sim.get_service_provider_name is the second command | 15:06 |
| frals | MohammadAG: gets some stuff related to operator | 15:07 |
| lcuk | detective, the dots are not covering the bootlog afaik | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | frals, does it lower my bill? :P | 15:07 |
| lcuk | you would have to change kernel i believe (or someone more helpful will tell you)( | 15:07 |
| frals | MohammadAG: afraid not ;) | 15:07 |
| lcuk | you could use jtag and the serial log | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | aww | 15:07 |
| detective | jtag? mh | 15:08 |
| lcuk | l.a.g | 15:08 |
| * frals waits for lcuk to wake up and have his coffee ;) | 15:08 | |
| noobmonk3y | frals did you get the first lot? | 15:09 |
| lcuk | good idea whilst machine is slow | 15:09 |
| frals | havent got any from you noobmonk3y | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | lol just spent 5 mins pasting in | 15:09 |
| lcuk | ive got no vodka to put in it tho | 15:09 |
| Stskeeps | detective: look at jebba's stuff | 15:09 |
| noobmonk3y | meh will try again | 15:09 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, did jebba make it available without new kernel? | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | notsure | 15:10 |
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| detective | Stskeeps: mhh okay i will take a look, thank you | 15:12 |
| lcuk | who watched doctor who o_O | 15:12 |
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| noobmonk3y | me | 15:13 |
| Noobmonk3y__ | and me | 15:13 |
| lcuk | :D | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | twins? | 15:13 |
| noobmonk3y | yup ;) | 15:13 |
| lcuk | gah i have to coffee myself - lag is too great to communicate | 15:13 |
| lcuk | bbl | 15:13 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:14 |
| noobmonk3y | ~ping lcuk | 15:14 |
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| noobmonk3y | infobot on holiday still :P | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | stuck in italy probably | 15:15 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 15:15 |
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| * noobmonk3y blinks | 15:18 | |
| noobmonk3y | wow i'm getting requests for help with apt-get errors through my own websites form... but as that website is dedicated to photography, i find that random! | 15:19 |
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| detective | i've installed jebbas costum kernel. great :D | 15:24 |
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| lcuk | anyone know if theres animation/movie available from the sat logs of the ash cloud | 15:31 |
| lcuk | ie from start to now timelapse | 15:31 |
| toresbe | I doubt that; the satellites had great difficulty tracing the ash due to clouds being indistinguishable from ash | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | Make your own!http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/HYSPLIT.php | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | oooh | 15:32 |
| SpeedEvil | http://ready.arl.noaa.gov/READYVolcAsh.php | 15:32 |
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| lcuk | heh cool | 15:33 |
| aSIMULAtor | from this? http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/ | 15:33 |
| aSIMULAtor | o HAI | 15:33 |
| lcuk | \o o hai | 15:33 |
| wazd_e63 | Hello again | 15:33 |
| wazd_e63 | Mmm | 15:33 |
| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, have you crashed yet o_O | 15:33 |
| wazd_e63 | Check | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | hysplit is open source AIUI | 15:34 |
| wazd_e63 | Damn | 15:34 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_e63: moo | 15:34 |
| wazd_e63 | Anybody can see my nick? :) | 15:34 |
| wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: oh, nm :) | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we were just ignoring you ;) | 15:34 |
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| aSIMULAtor | crashed? | 15:35 |
| wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: yeah, I know :( | 15:35 |
| wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: :) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | aSIMULAtor, right of passiage for all new drivers! you have to bump or scrape something | 15:35 |
| lcuk | i took off both my wing mirrors | 15:36 |
| wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me :D | 15:36 |
| lcuk | tracy had a fight with trolley park | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | haha | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | well, it's my first finnish drivers license, but i've been driving for over 14 years already :P | 15:36 |
| aSIMULAtor | but no accidents :P | 15:36 |
| lcuk | :D kewl then | 15:37 |
| Macer | wow... | 15:37 |
| wazd_e63 | AsiMULAtor: NFS: Underground doesn't count :P | 15:37 |
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| Macer | Medication purposes | 15:37 |
| Macer | Card-carrying medical marijuana patients are allowed to medicate under a tent set up especially for the purpose. 30-something Adrian Hernandez, who uses marijuana to deal with chronic knee pain, has found some liberation in the event. | 15:37 |
| lcuk | that camera view you posted is eery | 15:37 |
| Macer | chronic knee pain? :) | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | i think that's the icelandic met office's official webcam whatever | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | they were saying that if you start to see grey or brown | 15:37 |
| aSIMULAtor | alert someone :P | 15:37 |
| lcuk | macer, if your knee hurts you cannot walk | 15:37 |
| Macer | lcuk: and marijuana helps.... how? | 15:38 |
| wazd_e63 | Macer: he's a diagnosist btw :) | 15:38 |
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| lcuk | dude, like you just fall over and it totally doesnt hurt | 15:38 |
| Macer | haha | 15:38 |
| toresbe | Macer: Marijuana _is_ a very effective painkiller. | 15:38 |
| lcuk | and man, like i managed to keep hold of my taco | 15:38 |
| Macer | toresbe: so is asprin :) | 15:38 |
| Macer | ahha | 15:38 |
| lcuk | totally didnt spill it | 15:38 |
| toresbe | Macer: Not at all. | 15:38 |
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| * lcuk medicates macer by hitting him over the head with a juniper bush | 15:39 | |
| Macer | haha | 15:39 |
| Macer | lcuk: thanks.. now i can say i have chronic head pain and cut in front of the cancer kids | 15:39 |
| pupnik | this stuff has been measured and there is no analgesic effect afaik | 15:39 |
| wazd_e63 | let's all drink novocaine :) | 15:39 |
| thresh | drink?! | 15:39 |
| wazd_e63 | Cool painkiller too :) | 15:39 |
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| Macer | :) | 15:39 |
| wazd_e63 | Thresh: well, I saw it liquid only :) | 15:40 |
| lcuk | novocaine is what dentists inject in isnt it? | 15:40 |
| pupnik | yes | 15:40 |
| lcuk | they gave me about 10 shots | 15:40 |
| thresh | yeah but they shoot it into you | 15:40 |
| thresh | right | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: no - podiatrists use it | 15:40 |
| lcuk | and i still almost bit his fingers off when he went poking around | 15:40 |
| Macer | i'm sorry but if they're dishing out cards for chronic knee pain by quaccks... then they might as well go the distance and legalize it | 15:40 |
| Macer | i bet after they do they will realize that 80% of the US population smokes marijuana haha | 15:40 |
| lcuk | im wondering whether you can make the tent portable | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Hence the track - Eels - Novacaine for the sole. | 15:40 |
| lcuk | sortof extended hat wear | 15:40 |
| thresh | everyone realizes that i think | 15:40 |
| aSIMULAtor | well i guess we'll find out in nov with the california voters | 15:41 |
| Macer | thresh: yeah. i think the hippies messed up marijuana | 15:41 |
| Macer | :) | 15:41 |
| Macer | as did cheech and chong | 15:41 |
| aSIMULAtor | no, the US govt messed up marijuana during prohibition | 15:41 |
| Macer | people started to assume that is what you become | 15:41 |
| Macer | aSIMULAtor: yeah. gave all that money to mexico :) | 15:41 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: I have gps logs of my first oops. | 15:42 |
| Macer | well.. florida didn't do too bad | 15:42 |
| pupnik | it would be easier to dissuade students from using it if it were legal, imo. | 15:42 |
| Macer | they have a huge marijuana industry | 15:42 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, oops? | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Which involved decellerating at ~1.5G from 40MPH after I left the road. | 15:42 |
| lcuk | o_O | 15:42 |
| Macer | pupnik: not to mention the fact that drug dealers are not the types you would want kids buying it from ;) | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Misread junction completely, and was in a hurry. | 15:42 |
| wazd_e63 | you should definitely see latest south park series bout marijuana :) | 15:42 |
| Macer | because they tend to show kids new things.. like crack and heroin | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Macer: Or windows CE. | 15:43 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, happens to us all | 15:43 |
| lcuk | i was once in car just before i had passed | 15:43 |
| Macer | SpeedEvil: omg! those sick bastards! | 15:43 |
| lcuk | and mate said "errr its this corner" | 15:43 |
| aSIMULAtor | pharmaceutical companies are already getting kids hooked on benzos | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | i nearly flipped car going round | 15:43 |
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| wazd_e63 | SpeedEvil: noway, that's too much | 15:43 |
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| wazd_e63 | SpeedEvil: I can understand snowballs and stuff, but CE... | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: misread a '1/2 mile to hospital' in combination with a disused petrol station as a turnoff. oops. | 15:44 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: There were bits from 8 other cars there. | 15:44 |
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| * pupnik censors self | 15:45 | |
| * RST38h tries to patch the story together: aSIMULAtor got her first Finnish driver's license, celebrated it by smoking weed, then got into an accident. | 15:45 | |
| pupnik | Yeah, people make mistakes. | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | isn't the conversation app essentially a browser? | 15:45 |
| pupnik | wow | 15:45 |
| wazd_e63 | MohammadAG: yep | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | why isn't scrolling as quick as the browser? | 15:46 |
| MohammadAG | (just a question, not complaining) | 15:46 |
| wazd_e63 | MohammadAG: I guess you should ask timeless | 15:47 |
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| wazd_e63 | MohammadAG: he's the local browser god :) | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:47 |
| MohammadAG | i thought he only made the ui? | 15:47 |
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| MohammadAG | tablet-browser-ui | 15:47 |
| wazd_e63 | MohammadAG: I'm not sure | 15:48 |
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| wazd_e63 | MohammadAG: but he's the one to blame :D | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:48 |
| MohammadAG | well you pinged him so I'm guessing I don't have to ask again | 15:49 |
| frals | MohammadAG: i think rtcom-el-gui is based on gtk.treeview or similar | 15:49 |
| frals | while browser is doing native stuff without gtk | 15:49 |
| frals | but im just speculating | 15:49 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, i would say that conversation window is actually more complex than most browser windows | 15:49 |
| lcuk | try scrolling a similar length portion of web page - something as complex | 15:49 |
| MohammadAG | css right? | 15:50 |
| * RST38h wonders how conversations window behaves when there is a LOT of messages | 15:50 | |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, you don't want to know | 15:51 |
| frals | its like email client, only shows x default and then load in more as you scroll | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | actually, it doesn't load all convos, but when you scroll up it slows down | 15:51 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: no pages; all on the single one? | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | frals, beat me to it | 15:51 |
| MohammadAG | browser stopped rotating again | 15:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: maemospin.com | 15:53 |
| MohammadAG | err | 15:54 |
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| MohammadAG | server not found, whatever that was | 15:55 |
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| SpeedEvil | It was a reference to another site. Which has a rotating thing. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | maemospin doesn't actually exist. | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | (though with the accellerometer)... | 15:57 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, ? | 15:58 |
| lcuk | maemospin? | 15:58 |
| * SpeedEvil is just being rather random today. | 15:58 | |
| lcuk | yeah, what tho | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://meatspin.com/ - probably not worksafe - anywhere. | 15:58 |
| SpeedEvil | meme popular a while back | 15:59 |
| lcuk | dont | 15:59 |
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| frals | i wonder if the people complaining about n900s call quality are living in a bunker or smth | 16:00 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: that was gay | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i do work mostly on the backend | 16:00 |
| wazd_e63 | N900 call quality is awful | 16:00 |
| aSIMULAtor | mr timeless | 16:00 |
| wazd_e63 | I can't hear anything | 16:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: Sounds just fine to me | 16:00 |
| timeless_mbp | portions of the conversations app is browser based | 16:00 |
| RST38h | wazd: You got an N900? =) | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | but i think the list of contacts view is gtk | 16:01 |
| * marmoute have Volume Issue Too | 16:01 | |
| frals | wazd_e63: might be due to the fact you dont have one ;) | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | whereas the view where you're chatting w/ someone is browser | 16:01 |
| wazd_e63 | RST38h: no, but I can complain :D | 16:01 |
| RST38h | wazd: Ah, right! | 16:01 |
| timeless_mbp | hi aSIMULAtor | 16:01 |
| pronto | i have an n900, and the call quality is great o.O, unless you want to use speaker phone, then its extremely quiet | 16:01 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: http://img651.imageshack.us/i/30141938v.jpg/ | 16:01 |
| toresbe | To me the only frustrating thing is the latency of the phone when accepting or denying a call | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | When I recieved the call, it worked fine. | 16:02 |
| aSIMULAtor | how are u doing mr timeless | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: so which thing were you scrolling? | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: good | 16:02 |
| * RST38h uses speakerphone feature a lot, it is not bad either | 16:02 | |
| MohammadAG | the chat view | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm hosting a stranded sole for the foreseeable future :) | 16:02 |
| RST38h | pronto: normal phone and speakerphone modes have SEPARATE volume controls | 16:02 |
| timeless_mbp | s/sole/soul/ | 16:02 |
| aSIMULAtor | cause of volcano? | 16:03 |
| RST38h | pronto: Simply adjust volume when in speakerphone mode | 16:03 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, I kind of expected it | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | timeless: oh - I was going to give you fish recipies. | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 16:03 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: I have a good chance to have scratched overclocked one somewhere in the august) | 16:03 |
| pronto | RST38h: i did, i turned it up, extremely quiet | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: aww g, thanks | 16:03 |
| MohammadAG | but opened up maemospin since I thought this channel was... | 16:03 |
| timeless_mbp | better than instructions for redoing my shoes, i suppose | 16:03 |
| RST38h | wazd: OMG | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/maemospin.jpg | 16:03 |
| SpeedEvil | prototype | 16:03 |
| wazd_e63 | rst38h: or maybe even later :) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | wazd: May well end up being n910, 920, or something then... | 16:04 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders what his next device will be. | 16:05 | |
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| SpeedEvil | I - on balance - like the format of the n900 for something that will go with me everywhere | 16:05 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: nooo, I'll get a n900 thru developers queue :) | 16:06 |
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| MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I was scrolling the chat view | 16:07 |
| crashanddie | yo aSIMULAtor, long time no see | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: which direction? | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | when you scroll back in time, the chat app pulls in more data | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | up | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | which is expensive | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and has nothing to do w/ the browser | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | loading history | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 16:08 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 16:08 |
| crashanddie | sucks that you can't go back to the beginning, by the way | 16:08 |
| timeless_mbp | that only applies if it hasn't already loaded a piece | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie, actually I want to mark all as read | 16:09 |
| timeless_mbp | but do keep it in mind | 16:09 |
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| pupnik | gotta get a faster way to enable flash elements | 16:12 |
| pupnik | switching to settings, plugins and waiting for it to swap-in is NOT fun | 16:13 |
| pupnik | leaving flash on is pretty much not an option if surfing commercial sites | 16:14 |
| pupnik | suggest a usability test: go to a few shopping sites, open and compare products, profile time spent loading with/without flash, and time needed by user to enablea/disable flash plugin | 16:15 |
| pupnik | perhaps a community member has an idea how to toggle flash from a menu applet | 16:17 |
| pupnik | or maybe some browser button/widget | 16:18 |
| ShadowJK | adblock-css thingy also includes flashblock | 16:19 |
| pupnik | for microb? | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | flash appears as empty space. click on it and the flash content is loaded | 16:19 |
| ShadowJK | yes | 16:19 |
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| crashanddie | lol... Blade Trinity, some dude gets a call, Blade rips his phone out of his hands, and looks at who's calling, it's an old Nokia 3210, and the screen shows "Contact information: <name of the guy>" then the options are "Details" and "Cancel"... Incoming call eh? | 16:39 |
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| timeless_mbp | http://keyboardcowboy.ca/2010/04/whos-letting-me-become-ssladmin/ | 16:40 |
| timeless_mbp | ovi.com is helpful | 16:40 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, retrofitted multitasking internface | 16:40 |
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| timeless_mbp | it let a user register for ssladmin@ovi.com :) | 16:40 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 16:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | sadly that isn't a laughing matter | 16:43 |
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| timeless_mbp | arguably you shouldn't trust any certs issued to Ovi.com because of it | 16:44 |
| * lcuk does not trust any ovi | 16:44 | |
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| loft306 | man i cant beleive i was actualy able to survive with only my phone for a week no other puter available | 16:44 |
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| lcuk | loft306, you used your phone as a hunting weapon? | 16:45 |
| loft306 | heh no | 16:45 |
| lcuk | did throwing it work or as a club? | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | lcuk: I would love it if manufacturers gave write access to devices that aren't in production anymore | 16:45 |
| loft306 | but it makes a great flashlight | 16:45 |
| lcuk | crashanddie, opening up abandonware is something i would like to be the default | 16:45 |
| crashanddie | aye | 16:46 |
| loft306 | lcuk i was in the city... just forgot the lappie psu | 16:46 |
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| lcuk | loft306, sometimes i cope without any technology at all | 16:46 |
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| * lcuk likes those holiday times | 16:46 | |
| lcuk | pencil and paper and my imagination :) | 16:47 |
| loft306 | when i go hunting i change the sim to a bar phone... and leave it off | 16:47 |
| timeless_mbp | loft306: i used two n900s as my only computers for 3 weeks traveling through eastern europe... | 16:47 |
| loft306 | :) | 16:47 |
| loft306 | atleast i had my glasses | 16:48 |
| lcuk | and vodka to fill them up? | 16:48 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: have a friend who used an n800 as only piece of technology for 1 month while cycling from southern egypt up to London | 16:48 |
| lcuk | *jealous* http://twitpic.com/1gklve | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: wow | 16:49 |
| timeless_mbp | clockwise or counterclockise around the med? | 16:49 |
| * timeless_mbp presumes counter | 16:49 | |
| crashanddie | yup, counter | 16:49 |
| lcuk | as the crow flies would be more interesting route | 16:50 |
| lcuk | tho getting reception at the bottom of the med might be challenging | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | crows don't fly over seas | 16:50 |
| crashanddie | and crows don't fly at the bottom of the med | 16:50 |
| loft306 | heh | 16:50 |
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| loft306 | stilll gotta be better than carrier pigeon | 16:51 |
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| crashanddie | not really | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | some tv show tested internet speeds here in australia | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | well it comes down to payload | 16:51 |
| crashanddie | and carrier pigeon was faster to transfer a 700 movie over 150km than car or internet | 16:51 |
| loft306 | heh they did that is SA | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | (actually, car wast faster than internet too) | 16:52 |
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| loft306 | the pigeon won | 16:52 |
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| lcuk | of course, for larger values of data there is still bandwidth issues | 16:52 |
| crashanddie | well, they did it on a microsd | 16:53 |
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| lcuk | but the num ber of trucks you need to do the job is getting larger and larger each day | 16:53 |
| crashanddie | so 32gb in one ping | 16:53 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey, it could be a ping flood! | 16:53 |
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| crashanddie | though, they had to send something like 25 pigeons, as decoys in case there was a falcon hunting | 16:53 |
| timeless_mbp | imagine compressing pings into that one pigeon packet | 16:53 |
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| loft306 | hahahaha | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | we should shoot down all pigeons to protect against ping-flood-over-carrier-pigeon-ip | 16:54 |
| loft306 | off tho chair on the floor | 16:54 |
| lcuk | fearnecotton got pinged this morning http://twitter.com/Fearnecotton/status/12392782448 | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: how much packet loss did they suffer? | 16:54 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: well, only one pigeon was carrying data, they didn't say | 16:54 |
| * frals pokes lcuk | 16:55 | |
| crashanddie | so it was just obfuscation | 16:55 |
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| crashanddie | the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci2bFFGM8T8 | 16:55 |
| simoneb_ | where does the conversations app store its logs? | 16:56 |
| simoneb_ | i'd want to run a grep trough them | 16:56 |
| frals | its a sqlite db | 16:56 |
| frals | ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db or smth | 16:56 |
| simoneb_ | thanks | 16:57 |
| frals | np | 16:57 |
| frals | theres an api for interacting with it as well if you plan to use it in an application and not just for searching it once | 16:58 |
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| * lcuk makes his fingers work in editor over there >>> | 16:59 | |
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| * frals sends lcuk to test stuff over there <<< | 17:01 | |
| lcuk | good point i forgot i was updating ubumtu first | 17:02 |
| lcuk | pm me what you want me to check | 17:02 |
| * crashanddie tries to get them to test their stuff there ^^^ | 17:02 | |
| lcuk | or here so others can too | 17:02 |
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| * lcuk tests his stuff down there VVVV and is relieved its still working | 17:02 | |
| timeless_mbp | crashanddie: wow | 17:02 |
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| crashanddie | ? | 17:03 |
| timeless_mbp | just watched the video | 17:04 |
| frals | anyone with a recent build on their phones (as in one that got MMS settings in /etc/operator_settings) around who want to try a package for me? | 17:05 |
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| crashanddie | recent build of? | 17:06 |
| frals | oh, maemo5 that is | 17:06 |
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| crashanddie | doesn't everyone have 1.1? | 17:06 |
| frals | i have a feeling one or two in here got nokia internal builds | 17:07 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmmm | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: yes... | 17:07 |
| timeless_mbp | one of mine is even getting over the air updates for 1.2 | 17:08 |
| * noobmonk3y_ blinks | 17:09 | |
| frals | would you mind installing http://mms.frals.se/fmms_0.8.0_all.deb and see if it gets the operator settings automatically for you? cant try on sdk since it doesnt have sim stuff on it | 17:09 |
| frals | need to have -devel enabled as it depends on quite some python stuff... | 17:10 |
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| lcuk | frals, using dpkg -i wont bring in deps automatically | 17:11 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah | 17:11 |
| frals | doh | 17:11 |
| lcuk | so best is to install the -devel version on a device if its moaning about dependency problems | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | you need a repo | 17:12 |
| lcuk | fmms fapn | 17:12 |
| timeless_mbp | i can stick it in my repo | 17:12 |
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| frals | timeless_mbp: sure, what files do you need to do it? | 17:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: timeless.justdave.net/maemo/os2009repo/ :) | 17:14 |
| * timeless_mbp *has* a repo | 17:14 | |
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| lcuk | timeless_mbp, can i "borrow" your phone for a bit i need to make a call (and i wont grab your pr1.2 honest guv :D) | 17:17 |
| lcuk | why have people decided to send me tonnes of mails about liqbase today \?/ | 17:19 |
| * frals looks up lcuks email to send him mail about liqbase | 17:19 | |
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| RST38h | Weird: /packages/ says there is an updated version of nano out (with CtrlW crash fixed) but I cannot upgrade to it | 17:21 |
| timeless_mbp | lcuk: lemme find fmms first | 17:21 |
| RST38h | BTW: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories | 17:22 |
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| timeless_mbp | frals: installing... | 17:23 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: thanks, once installed launch it and it should open configuration, press "Configure" next to the APN label and see if it fills in the fields automatically please :) | 17:24 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: Any idea on this: "BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories" when running apt-get update | 17:25 |
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| timeless_mbp | it picked a proxy, port, and mmsc | 17:27 |
| javispedro | RST38h: not at the moment, I'm willing to blame it on akamai | 17:27 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: my phone number is '0' ? | 17:27 |
| frals | yeah phonenumber detection isnt in yet.. | 17:27 |
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| frals | did it pick Access Point Name as well? | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | 'mms' ? | 17:28 |
| frals | sounds about right i guess | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | note that the responsiveness to me clicking 'save' was so bad that i thought it was broken | 17:28 |
| frals | what operator you on? | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | elisa | 17:28 |
| frals | then its correct, cheers :) | 17:28 |
| frals | hmm will have to look into that | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | s/its/it's/ | 17:28 |
| timeless_mbp | do you support Share ? | 17:29 |
| frals | as in sharing service? yepp | 17:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | does it cost me money to send an mms to you? | 17:30 |
| frals | i assume it does | 17:30 |
| timeless_mbp | does it cost me money to send it to sp3000? | 17:34 |
| frals | i have no idea :) | 17:34 |
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| frals | thanks for testing, can move on from that dialog now as it seems to be working as expected :) | 17:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | there was a 0 valued box below my phone number | 17:35 |
| timeless_mbp | what was it for? | 17:35 |
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| frals | resizing of images | 17:36 |
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| frals | hmm, it shouldnt have defaulted to 0 | 17:36 |
| lcukn900 | gah @ ome net | 17:36 |
| lcukn900 | home | 17:36 |
| timeless_mbp | what are valid values? | 17:36 |
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| frals | 0-99999, unit is pixels | 17:36 |
| frals | its gonna resize the image width to x and maintain aspect ratio | 17:37 |
| crashanddie | timeless_mbp: use 99999 :P | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | frals: i just tried to send an mms to [] | 17:37 |
| timeless_mbp | it's thinking long and hard about this | 17:38 |
| frals | if the image width is > the value its ignored | 17:38 |
| frals | s/its/is/ | 17:38 |
| timeless_mbp | can you make it handle <empty> better? | 17:39 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: its setting up an connection to your mms apn + trying to submit it to your mmsc | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | without a destination? | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | / recipient | 17:39 |
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| frals | you left the field completly empty? | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | sure | 17:39 |
| timeless_mbp | why would i fill it in? | 17:40 |
| frals | i thought i had a check against that... doh | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | it obviously wasn't mandatory :) | 17:40 |
| frals | its not user-proof yet! ;) | 17:40 |
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| * javispedro watches timeless' telco charge him for an empty mms | 17:40 | |
| timeless_mbp | javispedro: not empty | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | non-deliverable | 17:40 |
| javispedro | even better | 17:40 |
| timeless_mbp | maybe they'll send it to Rio | 17:41 |
| frals | timeless_mbp: you should see a banner where it shows the reply from mmsc when its done thinking | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Sending failed: | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Error: 110 Connection timed out | 17:41 |
| timeless_mbp | Please make sure [] APN settings are correct | 17:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | is that last line yours? | 17:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | if so, please insert 'your' where i left [] | 17:42 |
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| frals | ah right, connection mode defaults to 'polite' where you have to connect manually to the MMS APN when sending | 17:42 |
| frals | will do | 17:42 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 17:46 | |
| timeless_mbp | "Select account" | 17:46 |
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| * timeless_mbp ponders | 17:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | anyone willing to give me 2 sharing account sets so i can play w/ sharing? | 17:48 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | sharing accounts? | 17:49 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, two accounts for a single sharing service | 17:54 |
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| wazd_e63 | Damn, shoping is exhausting | 18:00 |
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| wazd_e63 | I wanna go home :( | 18:00 |
| frals | i wonder if my mind is trying to tell me something, was suppose to name a variabled "border", it came out "bored" | 18:01 |
| yabba | :D | 18:01 |
| javispedro | but did the variable variabled? | 18:01 |
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| frals | :P | 18:03 |
| javispedro | I just love when, after 3000 boots doing it right, gdm puts the login screen in the wrong display | 18:03 |
| javispedro | only to never do it again | 18:03 |
| javispedro | until the 6000th boot | 18:03 |
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| VDVsx | wazd_e63, bought an n900 ? :D | 18:08 |
| VDVsx | lol | 18:08 |
| * RST38h moos at VDVsx slightly | 18:10 | |
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| * VDVsx moos back at RST38h :D | 18:10 | |
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| RST38h | Ok, out of academic curiosity: any features you would like to see in my emulators, that are easy to implement? | 18:12 |
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| RST38h | If there is something small I missed, will try to add it before the release | 18:12 |
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| koala_man | what kind of emulators? | 18:13 |
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| lcuk | koala_man, RST38h has written numerous emulators for multiple systems | 18:16 |
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| koala_man | the biggest missing feature from emulators that I see is hardware video scaling. 2x, 4x and video mode change really doesn't do it | 18:19 |
| javispedro | uh? | 18:19 |
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| koala_man | haven't tried many emulators on maemo though, drnoksnes will keep me occupied for ages | 18:20 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, make the open dialog slightly less punishing? | 18:24 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Not my problem, complain to konttori =) | 18:24 |
| GAN900 | GAN900, maybe show some sort of splashscreen if it's closed before a ROM is openned. | 18:25 |
| GAN900 | Nah, not the dialog itself | 18:25 |
| RST38h | GAN: What then? | 18:25 |
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| RST38h | Ah, you mean, show something between clicking on the ROM and running the game? | 18:26 |
| toresbe | koala_man: o/ | 18:26 |
| koala_man | \o | 18:26 |
| toresbe | koala_man: Have you gotten an N900 too? :) | 18:26 |
| koala_man | of course! | 18:26 |
| toresbe | (long time no see, btw -- how are you?) | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, at least if I close the dialog. | 18:26 |
| toresbe | Unsurprisingly, I've run a PDP-11 emulator on my N810. | 18:26 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, it's slightly unfriendly just to close the whole application. | 18:27 |
| RST38h | GAN: If you close the dialog, you want exit | 18:27 |
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| RST38h | So, it exits | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, the Hildon games startup screen would be nice, but that's high impact. | 18:27 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, big assumption. | 18:27 |
| RST38h | There is no reason for it to run if you are not opening anything. Where there IS a reason (like fMSX or Speccy), it does not show the dialog | 18:27 |
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| GAN900 | RST38h, maybe I just want to see something in the menu? | 18:28 |
| RST38h | GAN: *correct* assumption: remember, those consoles (NES, GB) have no firmware of their own | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | Yeah. . . . | 18:28 |
| RST38h | GAN: the ones that have (MSX, ZX Spectrum) do not start with a dialog at all | 18:28 |
| RST38h | Just boot right into firmware | 18:28 |
| GAN900 | Well, whatever, I don't think it's friendly, or consistent and, quite frankly, it looks like a crash. | 18:28 |
| RST38h | Mmm, ok, I will think of a friendly message screen "You have not selected anything to run. Bye bye now." =) | 18:29 |
| javispedro | or even a "sure to quit? no -> show open dialog again" loop-like sequence | 18:29 |
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| javispedro | at least the stupid in me does dismiss the dialog accidentally some times ;P | 18:30 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: It offends my sense of minimalism :) | 18:33 |
| RST38h | But anyways, let us see if I can conjure a little oldskool message box | 18:33 |
| javispedro | blame the slow loading hildon open dialog | 18:33 |
| RST38h | that too, but it is not my fault =( | 18:34 |
| RST38h | Someone at Maemo Devices should REALLY look at it | 18:34 |
| javispedro | it allows my brain to think "I should be working" thus fingers start dismissing everything :) | 18:34 |
| javispedro | allows as in "gives time" | 18:34 |
| RST38h | They can probably make it faster by just skipping on redraws | 18:34 |
| javispedro | second time a process shows it it's much faster | 18:35 |
| javispedro | I think there's a per-process cache that should be per-system instead. | 18:35 |
| RST38h | not fast enough though | 18:35 |
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| RST38h | well, to begin with, it should not preemptively scan all subdirs of the shown dir | 18:35 |
| RST38h | secondly, it probably should not create and display menu items while scanning | 18:36 |
| RST38h | And, finally, those 100+MB of memory it preallocates when opening that dialog always cause me to wink | 18:36 |
| javispedro | heh | 18:36 |
| wazd_e63 | Vdvsx: yeah, bought n900 and Bentley GT :) | 18:36 |
| javispedro | you should try to make it maemo-launcher friendly, seems to speed it up a bit | 18:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: How is that Bentley holding up? | 18:36 |
| RST38h | javispedro: not the file dialog, afaik =( | 18:37 |
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| wazd_e63 | rst38h: btw, forgot to send you new skin again | 18:38 |
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| RST38h | wazd: ? =) | 18:38 |
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| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: remind me a bit later, when I'll escape that MEGA hell | 18:38 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: ti84+ | 18:38 |
| RST38h | =E~ | 18:39 |
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| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: Hotabych smiley? :D | 18:39 |
| RST38h | THAT has been a tongue, not the beard | 18:39 |
| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: :) | 18:40 |
| RST38h | Besides, Hottabych's famous image has been smeared forever by existance of Osama bin Laden! =) | 18:40 |
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| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: meheheh :) | 18:41 |
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| wazd_e63 | No! No jams, please! Noooooo! | 18:42 |
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| lcuk | o_O @ the new cuss words tracy just managed to say | 18:47 |
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| frals | do share | 18:49 |
| lcuk | frals, well see last ocuple of tweets between myself and teebee76 | 18:50 |
| lcuk | she did not sound very ladylike when she shouted them, and when i went downstairs to see what was going on, she hit me | 18:51 |
| lcuk | \?/ | 18:51 |
| lcuk | all because i suggested ducttaping her gob shut | 18:51 |
| frals | lol | 18:51 |
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| yabba | Anyone have some hint how I can made simple second ticker in python? | 18:53 |
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| biston | good morning, i'm trying to update to the new extcalllog, and looking at http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/extcalllog/0.3/ it's obvious that none librtcom-eventlogger1-1.3-4+0m5 and librtcom-eventlogger-ui1-1.4-2+0m5 are available on maemo.org repos. how to get these packages? any idea ? | 18:54 |
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| MohammadAG | biston, wait for PR1.2 | 18:55 |
| GAN900 | ^ | 18:55 |
| biston | hmm alright | 18:55 |
| lcuk | squeeze toolkit builder upgrade fix this, or is it a proper requires 1.2 dependency issue? | 18:56 |
| javispedro | I have to wonder if the eventlogger soname change was actually needed or not | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, proper afaik | 18:56 |
| javispedro | lcuk: requires 1.2, seemingly, librtcom-eventlogger changes "so much" they changed the package name. | 18:56 |
| lcuk | yeah | 18:56 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 18:57 |
| biston | and 1 more question, how can i list all installed deb packages from terminal? | 18:57 |
| Robot101 | any abi break needs a soname bump | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg -l | 18:57 |
| biston | ah, has nothing to do with apt | 18:57 |
| biston | okay thanks | 18:57 |
| Robot101 | the choice was technically correct, its just a shame all of the maemo deb handling systems are so shit they can't cope properly | 18:57 |
| MohammadAG | np :) | 18:57 |
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| javispedro | Robot101: no system will be able to handle a soname change | 18:58 |
| javispedro | case in hand, the binary itself won't run | 18:58 |
| Robot101 | debian can, the package changes name intentionally so you can keep the old one and the new one installed simultaneously | 18:58 |
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| javispedro | yes, but the v0 version will be removed from firmware, thus the issue. | 18:59 |
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| MohammadAG | Robot101, technically the N900 and debian handle packages the same | 18:59 |
| Robot101 | it's totally standard, until all the other packages are rebuilt with the new library, then aptitude clears the old one | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | Robot101, | 18:59 |
| javispedro | (and the v1 one is not present in 1.1, thus the "other" issue). | 18:59 |
| MohammadAG | actually nvm | 18:59 |
| Robot101 | yeah except not - the hildon app manager nor the ssu tool don't understand any fields other than depends | 19:00 |
| Robot101 | not conflicts/replaces/breaks etc | 19:00 |
| javispedro | I don't see why you'd need them for. What we'd need to fix a soname change is ship the previous one in pr1.2 and ship the "future" one in pr1.1 | 19:00 |
| Robot101 | so they're /like/ debian, but we had to leave an rtocm-el 0 empty package in the distro just to depend on the new 1 version | 19:00 |
| javispedro | ah | 19:01 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; How come 3rd party widgets disappears when updating the localization from your repo? | 19:02 |
| Robot101 | if you just delete the old one off the archive and stick the new one in, then recompile stuff, anyone with any pakages that need the old one can continue running, but any new upgrades/installs get the new one | 19:02 |
| Robot101 | that's precisely how it's meant to work, and does work in ubuntu and debian | 19:02 |
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| javispedro | Robot101: maemo _can't_ work that way until nokia updates are shipped incrementally | 19:03 |
| javispedro | so we have to put fix over fix. | 19:03 |
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| Robot101 | sure it can, you just need to rebuild everything with the old binary and make sure your packaging allows that (binnmus in debian) | 19:05 |
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| RST38h | lcuk: Domestic terrorist indeed. | 19:08 |
| RST38h | ehlo, konttori | 19:08 |
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| wazd_e63 | Konttori: heya | 19:09 |
| lcuk | RST38h, o_O | 19:09 |
| lcuk | afternoon urho \o | 19:10 |
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| wazd_e63 | I wonder if I can compile my matrix flash into flash lite to set it as a background on e63 :) | 19:13 |
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| crazyhorses | my e key is making a scratch like sound when i press it. should i be worried? | 19:19 |
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| crazyhorses | also would it make sence to buy a class 10 micro sdhc card? | 19:21 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | hey...whats the difference between the command root and sudo gainroot on my n900? | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG | nothing | 19:22 |
| TeQuillaaaA | hm | 19:23 |
| TeQuillaaaA | ok | 19:23 |
| ToJa92 | root is shorter to write ;) | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | exec sudo gainroot --use-su | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG | that's root | 19:23 |
| javispedro | Robot101: that is the plan considering there's only like 3 extras packages depending on it. Still I have to wonder if an API break was really needed now, and if packages will need a v0 source version and v1 source version. | 19:24 |
| Robot101 | I believe there was a design flaw which had to be corrected | 19:25 |
| Robot101 | but, if we'd known now how unprepared maemo was for this totally normal change in debian/ubuntu, we'd have hacked to avoid it | 19:25 |
| Robot101 | everyone involved regrets it now, but we had no idea it would be this much of a trainwreck | 19:26 |
| Robot101 | so much for doing the right thing | 19:26 |
| MohammadAG | Q: is it possible to symlink a file from a vfat partition to an ext3 one? | 19:26 |
| javispedro | ah well. | 19:27 |
| MohammadAG | (opposite is not possible, i know) | 19:27 |
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| Robot101 | abi bumps are not meant to be painful, debian has this automated, they have scripts and just binnmu chunks of the archive at the push of a button | 19:29 |
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| javispedro | abi or api or both? | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | does every v0 building package build under v1 headers? | 19:31 |
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| ShadowJK | Hehe, got a sirfstar, N810 and N900 sitting next to eachother on a table | 19:34 |
| ShadowJK | all but the sirfstar have a gps fix :-) | 19:34 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all :) | 19:42 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: hrm | 19:43 |
| timeless_mbp | that's unexpected | 19:43 |
| PhonicUK | MohammadAG, Yes it is possible to symlink where the destination file is on VFAT and the link target is on EXT3 | 19:43 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; and I have a strange "message" which I got when someone unknown called me on skype, think you would be interested by it too | 19:44 |
| * PhonicUK wishes VNC was faster :\ | 19:45 | |
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| haltdef | rdp :> | 19:45 |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; instead of a proper user name, it says, "undisclosed_pstn:345" | 19:45 |
| PhonicUK | haltdef, im viewing my N900's screen on my desktop machine | 19:46 |
| PhonicUK | while developing | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: interesting | 19:46 |
| haltdef | ah | 19:46 |
| haltdef | nifty | 19:46 |
| timeless_mbp | that means i'm missing a translation string | 19:46 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to look for a bit | 19:46 | |
| PhonicUK | so i hit "Run" in Qt Creator and see it in the VNC window :) | 19:46 |
| PhonicUK | neat eh? | 19:46 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; I tried to tell you earlier, but I guess you was away the few times I tried to say it on the chan | 19:47 |
| Trizt | should have sent you a pm | 19:47 |
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| timeless_mbp | yeah, i definitely don't have that string | 19:51 |
| Trizt | you add something funny? ;) | 19:52 |
| timeless_mbp | Trizt: mailto:timeless@gmail is better | 19:52 |
| timeless_mbp | sending me a privmsg is likely to get lost | 19:52 |
| Trizt | I'll try to remember that | 19:52 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'll try to get a string update tomorrow | 19:53 |
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| Trizt | thanks | 19:53 |
| Trizt | next time I'll email | 19:54 |
| * timeless_mbp ponders | 19:55 | |
| MohammadAG | thanks PhonicUK | 19:55 |
| * timeless_mbp goes to figure out where this string comes from | 19:55 | |
| Trizt | timeless_mbp; interesting photo that DSCN1624.JPG | 19:56 |
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| timeless_mbp | i'm glad you like it :) | 19:59 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 20:00 | |
| timeless_mbp | totally buggy window management | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | the missing icon for the top row is because the icons are all fading in/out | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | if you look carefully you can see a hint of the (?) | 20:00 |
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| * Trizt nods | 20:01 | |
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| Trizt | this something new or old? | 20:02 |
| * Trizt have no clue how the older maemos may look like | 20:02 | |
| lcuk | RST38h, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50370 | 20:03 |
| lcuk | javispedro, too :p | 20:04 |
| frals | err, have i done something wrong or is the phone suppose to NOT play the sms tone when on charger? | 20:04 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Umgh! | 20:04 |
| lcuk | frals, it plays a pop noise instal of sms when the current conversation window is there | 20:05 |
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| lcuk | instead | 20:05 |
| frals | well i just get the vibrator | 20:05 |
| lcuk | mine just pops at me when new msg comes in | 20:05 |
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| timeless_mbp | Trizt: that was an n800 ui, i think | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | so it had to be fairly old | 20:05 |
| Trizt | okey | 20:05 |
| RST38h | frals: This one? http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-297 | 20:06 |
| frals | lol | 20:06 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | hmmm do i always join at the worst time? | 20:07 |
| noobmonk3y_ | frals> well i just get the vibrator | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | err what | 20:08 |
| * MohammadAG searches logs | 20:08 | |
| frals | problem solved, appearently i had the volume on ~10% and it wasnt loud enough to play through the speaker :p | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | <frals> well i just get the vibrator - ok, i misinterpreted that | 20:09 |
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| DangerMaus | http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/yfWItHMCsC2KBGGut84FqGwBtj4LaKFthfHhGPQpJDE?feat=directlink | 20:10 |
| lcuk | frals you plonker! | 20:10 |
| DangerMaus | sunbox behiimg,d mess | 20:10 |
| DangerMaus | oops | 20:10 |
| DangerMaus | wrong channel | 20:11 |
| frals | lcuk: you can be a plonker! | 20:11 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:11 |
| * lcuk agrees | 20:11 | |
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| wazd | wazd_e63, screw you | 20:14 |
| frals | anyone figured out how to open a new conversation with a given number from within an application? | 20:14 |
| frals | eg i want to send an sms to +4600032542 from the conversations app, launched by a button in my own application | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | feature creep! | 20:15 |
| frals | its the last one! promise! | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | frals, have a look if jebba found the correct spell for it | 20:17 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | frals dbus should be able to do it shouldnt it? | 20:17 |
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| frals | lcuk: i checked his wikipage, didnt find anything.. there is a script to send your own sms manually but rather have it thru rtcom-el so it gets logged | 20:18 |
| frals | noobmonk3y_afk: yeah... somehow... which is why im asking :D | 20:19 |
| frals | noobmonk3y_afk: that be a nice feature for healthcheck! *rolleyes* better find out how its done! ;) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | yeah frals i understand | 20:19 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | lol! | 20:19 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y_afk, frals was wondering before and i thought you might know | 20:19 |
| lcuk | how to get device phone number | 20:19 |
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| lcuk | i dont know mine | 20:19 |
| * frals heads back to preparing fmms 0.9.0 aka "let ux ppl rape it" | 20:20 | |
| noobmonk3y_afk | i'm working on sms counters | 20:20 |
| noobmonk3y_afk | will have a look and see if i have any scrap code | 20:20 |
| lcuk | cool | 20:20 |
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| frals | cool, lemme know if you find anything good | 20:20 |
| phreck | supsup | 20:20 |
| Arkenoi | wow | 20:21 |
| Arkenoi | my desktop suddenly turned to portrait mode | 20:21 |
| Arkenoi | looks weird | 20:21 |
| lcuk | quick, turn it back before anyone notices | 20:21 |
| phreck | pft. | 20:21 |
| Arkenoi | icons do not fit, there was no auto re-arrange | 20:22 |
| Arkenoi | and wallpapers are not continuous, there is black space between | 20:22 |
| lcuk | yeah i know how i'd like to have that working | 20:22 |
| phreck | yea, n900 does not have portrait mode. | 20:22 |
| phreck | it has a bug though | 20:22 |
| phreck | =p | 20:23 |
| lcuk | i even have a wicked idea for scrolling rotatable lists | 20:23 |
| Arkenoi | most things look not very bad though | 20:23 |
| phreck | lcuk, im pretty sure portrait mode is on the way out anyways | 20:23 |
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| Arkenoi | virtual keyboard does not fit too | 20:24 |
| phreck | yup | 20:24 |
| * lcuk likes this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q | 20:24 | |
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| phreck | how many of you guys overclocked | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not stupid, so i didn't | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:25 |
| phreck | haha | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | thou shalt not fuck around with overclocking, was the statement at the summit | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:25 |
| phreck | i did it, then went back. | 20:26 |
| phreck | it ws nice though, not gonna lie. | 20:26 |
| phreck | i hope 1.2 shows up soon. that will make me feel better about it. | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | provided the key 1.2 people aren't stuck somewhere due to the volcano ash, then it's about bloody time it comes around | 20:28 |
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| phreck | haha no kidding | 20:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: they have to walk to the volcano, to throw in gtk. | 20:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | well, konttori is babysitting | 20:29 |
| Arkenoi | some applications that do not support portrait mode natively look just fine anyways | 20:29 |
| Arkenoi | some do not | 20:29 |
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| timeless_mbp | worst case, we wait for konttori's baby to grow up so konttori can come back to work and drive the release :) | 20:30 |
| Arkenoi | for some obscure reason i cannot get "more" application button | 20:30 |
| Arkenoi | so there are only those with shortcuts on the desktop for me to try | 20:31 |
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| Trizt | timeless_mbp; can't he do that from home? | 20:31 |
| phreck | im sure he could. | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | he's on paternity leave | 20:31 |
| ShadowJK | paternity leave is only 6 months iirc | 20:31 |
| phreck | one thing i saw today that isn't good is flash got delayed till 2nd half. | 20:32 |
| javispedro | don't tell that in tmo or they will do something to "fix the situation". | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | iirc finland is such that if you're on sick leave and you go into work, that terminates your leave | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | phreck: "flash"? | 20:32 |
| phreck | im hoping they are not waiting for flash 10 for 1.2 | 20:32 |
| Trizt | He can always work for free, then no break ;) | 20:32 |
| phreck | flash 10 | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | phreck: it wasn't a deliverable i saw on any list | 20:32 |
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| timeless_mbp | so it certainly shouldn't be blocking 1.2 | 20:32 |
| phreck | good. | 20:33 |
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| timeless_mbp | that doesn't mean it *isn't* | 20:33 |
| phreck | hahaha | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | there's a difference between sane and reality | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | and if you fall sick before regular leave, your regular leave/vacation gets moved forward by how long you're sick | 20:33 |
| phreck | yea. | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly, at times, quite a big difference | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: really? | 20:33 |
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| Trizt | but it had been nice if flash 10 had been in 1.2, start to hit sites that blocks older flash players... gosh it was so much beter when there wasn't even frames in html | 20:34 |
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| phreck | adobes ceo said 2nd half for flash 10 on blackberry, android and whatever others were waiting. | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, dunno if it's universal | 20:34 |
| phreck | microb doesnt do html5 does it. | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | I think approximately nothing has full html5 support, on any platform. I could be wrong though :) | 20:35 |
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| Trizt | ShadowJK; if you put together Opera, FireFox and Chromium, then you get something that could support 90% of html5 :P | 20:37 |
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| phreck | heh. | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | phreck: what do you mean by 'html5'? | 20:39 |
| timeless_mbp | (most people who ask about html5 are clueless, especially if they ask in checkbox fashion) | 20:40 |
| phreck | i am pretty clueless about it. | 20:40 |
| Lumpio- | ... | 20:40 |
| phreck | i see apple making a big push for it though with the absense of flash on their platform. | 20:41 |
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| phreck | so as far as media i guess | 20:41 |
| Lumpio- | Which features of HTML5 do you care about? | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | "they're pushing for something, i bet no one else supports it!" | 20:41 |
| phreck | i know there isnt an official codec yet | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | the logic there is impeccable | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | 'yet' | 20:41 |
| Lumpio- | ...HTML5 is /way/ more than video playback :V | 20:41 |
| timeless_mbp | you're assuming there will be one | 20:41 |
| phreck | iknow its way more | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | there's no guarantee there will be one (in html5) | 20:42 |
| phreck | timeless im not | 20:42 |
| timeless_mbp | phreck: your sentence as written makes a presumption | 20:42 |
| phreck | first off i hate apple. | 20:43 |
| ShadowJK | I heard someone once tried to license vp8, and on2 told them part of the license fees go to mpeg-la | 20:43 |
| phreck | blah. | 20:43 |
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| phreck | i was at a con last month, it was full of apple cultists, and they were all masturbating over the ipad release. i then asked why it did not support flash, they all laughed at me like i was an idiot and started rambling about html5 | 20:44 |
| oscillik | haha | 20:45 |
| pupnik | i kind of like them for not supporting flash :| | 20:46 |
| * ShadowJK too :) | 20:46 | |
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| ShadowJK | But the eternal pessimist I am, I'm suspecting the replacement will have even more performance, stability and memory footprint issues | 20:47 |
| * Trizt rather have the Dynabook which the iPad is based on | 20:47 | |
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| pupnik | i want devices that understand spoken language and can translate spoken/written text | 20:49 |
| RST38h | translate into what? | 20:49 |
| oscillik | klingon | 20:49 |
| Trizt | 1010101010111 | 20:49 |
| * SpeedEvil passes out the blood-wine. | 20:50 | |
| frals | bcd | 20:50 |
| oscillik | fortran | 20:50 |
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| oscillik | assembler | 20:50 |
| RST38h | does ipad support html5 though? | 20:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals, last onlne 402 days ago? | 20:50 |
| frals | lol thats not me | 20:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 20:50 |
| frals | whats your name on steam then | 20:50 |
| frals | ill add you instead :P | 20:50 |
| Noobmonk3y | ping me a priv msg | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | pc gaming, meh | 20:53 |
| javispedro | RST38h: only when you use it for annoying iAds, if you try to use it for anything useful it crashes and apple removes your app from the store. | 20:54 |
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| javispedro | come to think of it, "useful" and "html5" do not usually mix either.... | 20:55 |
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| RST38h | javispedro: I thought Apple did not learn how to "remove apps" off the Web yet? =) | 20:55 |
| javispedro | does anyone still believe in the web as an application distribution platform? I though gazillions of iphone owners don't.... :P | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | Heh | 20:56 |
| RST38h | As soon as someone tells me what is wrong with the app icon in the XChat own bubbles | 20:57 |
| pupnik | javispedro: or is the web becoming the platform | 20:57 |
| pupnik | i see continued coexistence for now | 20:57 |
| MohammadAG | RST38h, LOL I thought you knew | 20:57 |
| RST38h | javis: iphone owners believe into whatever jobs tells them to | 20:57 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | question: i edit the file transition.ini on my n900 and changed the "sequenced = 0" - entry into "sequenced = 1" ... but nothing happens :( i want the wave-effect in the menu....that did i wrong? :( | 20:57 |
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| RST38h | Mohammad: Nope :( I disabled the plugin, enabled XChat's own bubbles, but they come up with brokn icon | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | did you save it? | 20:58 |
| TeQuillaaaA | yes | 20:58 |
| TeQuillaaaA | in vi with :wq | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, the white X | 20:58 |
| TeQuillaaaA | hm? | 20:58 |
| RST38h | did you sacrifice a small mammal to the Tentacled One? | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | Ubuntu doesn't display it | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | as root? | 20:58 |
| TeQuillaaaA | you mean me right now?^^ | 20:59 |
| TeQuillaaaA | MohammadAG: | 20:59 |
| TeQuillaaaA | ^^ | 20:59 |
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| MohammadAG | TeQuillaaaA, yep | 21:00 |
| TeQuillaaaA | yes...as root | 21:00 |
| TeQuillaaaA | there are two parts where sequenced is available [launcher_in] and [launcher_in_sub] | 21:01 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i changed both sequenced entry | 21:01 |
| TeQuillaaaA | +s | 21:01 |
| TeQuillaaaA | entries | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | close vi | 21:02 |
| TeQuillaaaA | omg..my english is so terrible | 21:02 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :D | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | then killall hildon-desktop | 21:02 |
| TeQuillaaaA | but i did restart | 21:02 |
| TeQuillaaaA | is it not enough? | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 21:02 |
| MohammadAG | cat the transitions.ini file, maybe you didn't save it? | 21:03 |
| TeQuillaaaA | w8 | 21:03 |
| MohammadAG | paste on pastebin if you want to paste | 21:04 |
| wazd | wow | 21:04 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yW6UKpyeM8 | 21:04 |
| wazd | oops | 21:04 |
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| wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=616004&postcount=1 | 21:04 |
| TeQuillaaaA | what should i paste? | 21:05 |
| wazd | seriously, I'm not alone! | 21:05 |
| TeQuillaaaA | the transition.ini? | 21:05 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i only changed this two entries | 21:05 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | wait | 21:05 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i install a other theme | 21:05 |
| TeQuillaaaA | maybe is this the bad task?^^ | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | TeQuillaaaA, if you did change them and it didn't work I have no idea | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | that's the file | 21:06 |
| TeQuillaaaA | yes | 21:06 |
| MohammadAG | nope, shouldn't matter | 21:06 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | hm... | 21:07 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :( | 21:07 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | i installed this category-application | 21:08 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | i dont know the name | 21:09 |
| lmth | I can't get evopedia to work, it just shows all the files in the folder | 21:09 |
| TeQuillaaaA | MohammadAG: catorise | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, not sure | 21:10 |
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| MohammadAG | umm | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | install some application now | 21:10 |
| MohammadAG | to regenrate the menu | 21:10 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i will deinstall the catorise | 21:10 |
| TeQuillaaaA | no | 21:10 |
| TeQuillaaaA | isnt better | 21:11 |
| TeQuillaaaA | so i reboot now | 21:11 |
| lmth | is anyone here exprienced with evopedia ? | 21:11 |
| TeQuillaaaA | no.. | 21:11 |
| TeQuillaaaA | to difficult :D | 21:12 |
| TeQuillaaaA | and to big file^^ | 21:12 |
| lmth | lol | 21:12 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | =( | 21:14 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i am sad right now | 21:15 |
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| * SpeedEvil passes TeQuillaaaA some salt, and a lime. | 21:17 | |
| TeQuillaaaA | :) | 21:17 |
| TeQuillaaaA | dont helps me | 21:17 |
| TeQuillaaaA | =( | 21:17 |
| MohammadAG | killall hildon-desktop :) | 21:18 |
| TeQuillaaaA | is that the command? | 21:19 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :) | 21:19 |
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| MohammadAG | yep | 21:19 |
| TeQuillaaaA | nothing happens | 21:20 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :( | 21:20 |
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| bigon | hi, I've trouble to build a package in scratchbox in ARMEL | 21:25 |
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| RST38h | Ehehe: http://gizmodo.com/5519809/eyjafjallajokull-daily-co2-output-utterly-dwarfed-by-european-aviation-industry | 21:35 |
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| lcuk | driving in the ash cloud: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8627956.stm?ls | 21:37 |
| RST38h | do they end up jumping into the crater? =) | 21:38 |
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| * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon | 21:38 | |
| frals | those birds are pretty hardcore living under those conditions | 21:39 |
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| lcuk | frals, not a lot they can do | 21:42 |
| lcuk | even they are grounded! | 21:42 |
| Ken-Young | THe can get *angry*. | 21:42 |
| Ken-Young | s/THe/THey/ | 21:42 |
| TeQuillaaaA | does anyone else has an idea? | 21:42 |
| lcuk | nature: knows when the shits bad | 21:42 |
| lcuk | i have many ideas | 21:42 |
| TeQuillaaaA | because my problem | 21:43 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :-/ | 21:43 |
| lcuk | i only just sat down | 21:43 |
| frals | i need tea, my throat is killing me :( | 21:43 |
| Terje_ | I've heard of ones body attacking itself, but throat? That's ridiculous. | 21:46 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 21:53 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone got a bluetooth keyboard + mouse to work well with an N900? | 21:54 |
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| achipa | PhonicUK: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38372 | 21:55 |
| achipa | not sure about mice | 21:55 |
| PhonicUK | kk | 21:55 |
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| PhonicUK | this might be fun, i gather that using a PS3 controller over bluetooth causes BT keyboards/mice not to work | 21:56 |
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| bigon | i /wi4 | 21:59 |
| bigon | ark | 21:59 |
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| PhonicUK | also has anyone got SSH to behave with an authorized_keys file? | 22:00 |
| achipa | PhonicUK: yep, using it that way pretty much since day 1 | 22:01 |
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| PhonicUK | its killing the connection when i try to use it :\ | 22:01 |
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| achipa | try ssh -vv this@that so you see what's going on | 22:02 |
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| Nils^ | hi. I just installed maemo5 sdk, started it and used sb-menu like the sdk install told me. Now I don't know what about the rootstrap. I can choose a file (which?) or a download (URL?) | 22:03 |
| PhonicUK | im using a windows host to connect | 22:03 |
| PhonicUK | w/ puTTy | 22:03 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | to get the wave-effect, i only have to edit the entry "sequenced = 0" in the file transition.ini or? | 22:04 |
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| PhonicUK | ah | 22:05 |
| PhonicUK | works with DSA but not RSA | 22:05 |
| achipa | PhonicUK: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config | 22:05 |
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| PhonicUK | # RSAAuthentication yes | 22:06 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | to get the wave-effect, i only have to edit the entry "sequenced = 0" in the file transition.ini or? | 22:07 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :P | 22:07 |
| TeQuillaaaA | but it doesnt work :( | 22:07 |
| achipa | PhonicUK: uncomment :P | 22:07 |
| achipa | PhonicUK: might need to restart ssh to take effect | 22:07 |
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| * MohammadAG_ wonders if there's a way to extract MMS settings | 22:08 | |
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| DangerMaus | hey fuzzythebear | 22:09 |
| DangerMaus | siting art the pub havin a beer | 22:09 |
| TeQuillaaaA | nobody who can help me? :( | 22:10 |
| frals | MohammadAG: for what? and from where? | 22:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | Symbian devices :/ | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | I can't seem to find the settings for MMS | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | XChat on two devices is kinda pointless | 22:11 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | i will capitulate | 22:11 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :( | 22:11 |
| frals | hmm, on my n95 mms settings was listed with the 3g internet ones | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | hmm, last I tried those it failed | 22:12 |
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| frals | what operator you on? | 22:14 |
| frals | and what country? | 22:14 |
| * PhonicUK cannot find his N900 :\ | 22:14 | |
| * PhonicUK is SSHed into his N900 and has no idea where it is | 22:14 | |
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| PhonicUK | so its somewhere in my flat | 22:14 |
| petteri | PhonicUK: play some music from commanline | 22:14 |
| PhonicUK | yah i was thinking that | 22:15 |
| PhonicUK | play-sound doesn't work for MP3s though... | 22:15 |
| petteri | mplayer | 22:15 |
| PhonicUK | is mplayer properly optified? | 22:15 |
| petteri | i think it is because it is in extras | 22:15 |
| SpeedEvil | play | 22:15 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, Orange IL | 22:16 |
| PhonicUK | we'll find out in a moment :) | 22:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | aka Parter Communications LTD (as wikipedia lists them) | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | cat /usr/local/bin/beep | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | #!/bin/sh | 22:16 |
| SpeedEvil | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav | 22:16 |
| * PhonicUK wishes Conky was a command line app | 22:16 | |
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| frals | MohammadAG_: I assume you tried the ones listed at http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS | 22:16 |
| PhonicUK | aha!! | 22:16 |
| PhonicUK | also, can I change that .wav to make it play something different? | 22:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, when was that wiki made? | 22:17 |
| * MohammadAG_ has to get with the times | 22:17 | |
| frals | uh its been there for ages | 22:17 |
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| frals | IL is israel right? :P | 22:17 |
| frals | http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#Orange_2 | 22:17 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 22:17 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Password: Mobile54 | 22:18 |
| SpeedEvil | PhonicUK: yes - that was simply the first wav I found that worked for a 'I'm here' noise | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | I always thought it was empty | 22:18 |
| PhonicUK | aye | 22:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals, have you figured out world peace or pushed fmms to testing yet? whichever is easier? | 22:18 |
| PhonicUK | can you change the boot animation? | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, he got rid of the ash cloud | 22:18 |
| TeQuillaaaA | MohammadAG_: | 22:18 |
| TeQuillaaaA | it works | 22:18 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: i figured i take the easiest one first so i expect world peace by the end of the quarter | 22:18 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :D | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 22:18 |
| TeQuillaaaA | IT WOOORKS | 22:18 |
| TeQuillaaaA | :) | 22:18 |
| TeQuillaaaA | yeeah | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | I add 1000 to the spee | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | d | 22:18 |
| * Noobmonk3y is joining in and smoking. | 22:18 | |
| MohammadAG_ | looks better | 22:19 |
| TeQuillaaaA | yes...this was the problem i think | 22:19 |
| TeQuillaaaA | i set it to 1200 | 22:19 |
| TeQuillaaaA | and now, it works^^ | 22:19 |
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| TeQuillaaaA | maybe, it was to slow to display? | 22:19 |
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| frals | MohammadAG_: it might be a small 'm' on the password (thats what operator_settings says anyway) | 22:19 |
| frals | but since someone added it there i *assume* they work ;) | 22:19 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, operator_settings? | 22:20 |
| frals | /etc/operator_settings on PR1.2 SDK | 22:20 |
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| MohammadAG_ | wow | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | never noticed that one | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, thanks! | 22:20 |
| frals | np! | 22:21 |
| * Noobmonk3y thinks eveyone has 1.2 barr me | 22:21 | |
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| * frals thinks Noobmonk3y should update his SDK | 22:22 | |
| * Noobmonk3y doesnt have an sdk :( | 22:22 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | i rely on u lot to test for me | 22:22 |
| kkito | j/j #maemo-devel | 22:22 |
| kkito | hello | 22:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | heya | 22:23 |
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| PhonicUK | mplayer ate my rootfs :( | 22:23 |
| kkito | hello i am triyn to install maemo-pc-connectivity but i get a missing dependency (upstart-job). The package is not in the repos. Do you know where to download it? | 22:24 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: i only use it to package (and steal operator_settings) | 22:24 |
| Noobmonk3y | phonic, it spews it backup when it gets bored | 22:24 |
| Noobmonk3y | ahhhhh lol frals. no need for me to use it then :( | 22:24 |
| Noobmonk3y | do it all on the device :) | 22:25 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, that "Havoc" thing is freaking me out, what is it :P | 22:25 |
| frals | MohammadAG_: its awesome! ;) http://blog.frals.se/2010/04/18/fmms-0-9-0-aka-getting-really-close-now/ | 22:25 |
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| frals | the mode names are 100% logical imo! | 22:26 |
| frals | (after knowing what they do) | 22:26 |
| * MohammadAG_ doesn't like the reboot part, but I agree, it IS AWESOME! | 22:27 | |
| MohammadAG_ | I'm assuming 0.9.0 is still not in -devel right? | 22:27 |
| frals | dont think so, only uploaded it an hour ago or so | 22:28 |
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| * MohammadAG_ goes to the cauldron list | 22:28 | |
| frals | [2010-04-18 21:12:56] fmms 0.9.0 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository | 22:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | cool blog post frals! | 22:28 |
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| MohammadAG_ | "OK!" | 22:28 |
| frals | MohammadAG_: should be in devel now actually http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ | 22:29 |
| Nils^ | anyony around who develops packages for maemo? I must have missed something and don't know what. I installed the maemo5 sdk and I logged in with /scratchbox/login but I can't even "apt-get upgrade", lots of missing dependencies "...but get not installed". Or isn't this needed at all? | 22:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol= how come mine go in within 5 mins? | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, lol was loading that package | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | page* | 22:29 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: you must time it with the package importer everytime ;) | 22:29 |
| frals | and thanks! | 22:29 |
| * MohammadAG_ updates lists | 22:29 | |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 22:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | or the package importer time it with me :) | 22:29 |
| * frals still wishes download stats were available for -devel | 22:29 | |
| * MohammadAG_ got his broken package in -devel instantly | 22:29 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | to make me look bad ^ | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | the fixed one took half an hour | 22:30 |
| petteri | Nils^: you have to provide fakeroot before apt-get command | 22:30 |
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| Nils^ | petteri: even with this. | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG_ | Nils^, did you install the nokia binaries? | 22:30 |
| Nils^ | MohammadAG_: I am not sure | 22:30 |
| Nils^ | not manually | 22:30 |
| Nils^ | I tried to follow the maemo wiki | 22:31 |
| Nils^ | MohammadAG_: yes, it seems I installed them. | 22:32 |
| petteri | look up the nokia binaries from the wikipage you were using and make sure that you installed those. They are essential. You need to approve somekind of eula before installing the nokia binaries | 22:32 |
| Nils^ | nokia-binaries is already the newest version. | 22:32 |
| petteri | ok | 22:32 |
| petteri | any specific error message? | 22:32 |
| Nils^ | hm.. maybe I forgot fakeroot while apt-get update | 22:33 |
| Nils^ | ... | 22:33 |
| Nils^ | this seems to be the case. | 22:33 |
| luke-jr | petteri: you need to agree to a contract, you mean | 22:33 |
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| luke-jr | before downloading | 22:34 |
| petteri | luke-jr: something like that | 22:34 |
| petteri | :) | 22:34 |
| luke-jr | copyright law does not require a license to install ;) | 22:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG_, could you take a look at the guys issue swith h/c please?@ima gonna try a reinstall too. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=616502#post616502 | 22:34 |
| frals | uh MohammadAG_: did you install fmms 0.9.0? | 22:35 |
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| frals | some dude saying his phone just reboots when he launches it.. but i cant reproduce here :P | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, it just finished updating the lists | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | err | 22:35 |
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| MohammadAG_ | for some reason extras is slow here | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | Fetched 3793kB in 4min13s (14.9kB/s) | 22:36 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, purging should remove settings right? | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | Purging configuration files for fmms ... | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | nvm | 22:37 |
| frals | for fmms no | 22:37 |
| frals | i doubt it does anyway | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | so where are the configs stored? | 22:38 |
| frals | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/fmms | 22:38 |
| frals | would clear it thou | 22:38 |
| frals | and rm -r /home/user/.fmms to remove all messages | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | I think that got removed by purge | 22:38 |
| frals | as its not installed by dpkg i doubt it | 22:39 |
| frals | its created by application on first launch so tools wont know about it | 22:39 |
| Nils^ | which repository shall I add (in the maemo sdk) to get the midnight commander? | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, how do I set up settings automatically? | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | scp'd the operator_settings file | 22:40 |
| frals | ah | 22:40 |
| frals | replace the one in /etc/ with it | 22:40 |
| frals | and then open the configuration -> press configure | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | replace? | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | there was one in there? | 22:40 |
| frals | uh yeah shouldve been | 22:40 |
| MohammadAG_ | guess it got overwritten anyways (scp'd in /etc directly) | 22:40 |
| frals | :D | 22:40 |
| * MohammadAG_ purges fapn | 22:41 | |
| frals | haha, teh fuck, just as i installed 0.9.0 from repos and launch it i get an mms from my gf | 22:41 |
| frals | like, i get the notification the same second i see fmms loading | 22:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 22:41 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 22:44 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, it check for MMS automatically right? | 22:45 |
| frals | uh, you'll get a notification whenever an MMS is coming yeah | 22:45 |
| frals | its a push protocol, not a pull :) | 22:45 |
| frals | basically your carrier sends your device a special sms saying "oi wake up you wnkr theres an mms at this url, please get it so i can remove it" | 22:46 |
| frals | which fMMS takes care off and does the appropriate magic ;) | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | wnkr XD | 22:46 |
| frals | i translated it to brittish so Noobmonk3y would understand as well ;) | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | lmao | 22:47 |
| * Noobmonk3y blinks | 22:47 | |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 22:47 |
| Noobmonk3y | i liked it! | 22:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | good translation! | 22:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | i only know one phrase in swedish....... and it translates to "bite the pillow"..... | 22:48 |
| frals | bit i kudden? | 22:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup | 22:49 |
| frals | i think the whole sentence would be "bit i kudden, pappa kliver upp ett steg" | 22:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol whatever that says, i'm sure its funny! | 22:50 |
| frals | "bite the pillow, daddy is " not sure how to translate it properly but it basically means you gonna get it in the bum | 22:50 |
| frals | :P | 22:50 |
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| frals | so second post after i announce new version someone posts it crashes hes device on start, good PR yes/no? | 22:51 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, no crashes here | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | his N900 sucks | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | release into extras!!! | 22:52 |
| frals | as i assumed | 22:52 |
| frals | hehe | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, if an MMS is not retrieved in a month | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | does it stay there? | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | 4 months in this case lol | 22:52 |
| frals | lol | 22:52 |
| frals | depends on operator but its highly unlikely id say | 22:53 |
| frals | i think mine saves em for 2 weeks | 22:53 |
| frals | give me your number and ill send you one ;) | 22:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 22:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | did the other me just join? | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, kill the ***** | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 22:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | wtf, my brother is on it | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, now why should I cost you an MMS? :P | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | o.O | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, how old is he? | 22:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | OI you sod, get of my laptop! | 22:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | 32 | 22:54 |
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| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | err, the other sod please | 22:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 22:54 |
| supertramp | is there some better media player than the original? :) | 22:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | supertramp, an iphone | 22:54 |
| frals | MohammadAG_: it costs me... ~0.069€ | 22:54 |
| supertramp | :} | 22:54 |
| * Noobmonk3y runs for the hills | 22:54 | |
| supertramp | iphone sucks | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, not if I'm not in the UK :P | 22:55 |
| frals | im in .se | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | I'm in .IL | 22:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | .il* | 22:55 |
| * MohammadAG_ humblizes IL | 22:55 | |
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| frals | yeah and i pay 0.069€ per MMS to everyone | 22:55 |
| supertramp | I'm looking for something like winamp or so ... | 22:55 |
| johnsq | Hi | 22:55 |
| frals | except for ppl on same operator as me, then its free ;) | 22:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | supertramp, not sure there is a decent one yet | 22:56 |
| supertramp | something I can save my tracklists / play directories etc :( | 22:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | if you find one, let me know :) | 22:56 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, I'll just add it to my father's bill :P | 22:56 |
| * MohammadAG_ gets his dad's phone | 22:56 | |
| Noobmonk3y | you could prob get a decent one on easy debian | 22:56 |
| supertramp | hm - easy debian is too slow - and also it requires mmc disk to be mounted with chroot ... | 22:57 |
| supertramp | I'll try to compile audacious or something ... | 22:58 |
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| MohammadAG_ | how long does a msg take to be sent anyways | 22:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh, message sent | 22:58 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, you sure it's push? | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 23:00 |
| johnsq | supertramp: try mpd and nice gui | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | I got an SMS from Orange, nothing else | 23:00 |
| * Noobmonk3y pushes MohammadAG_ | 23:00 | |
| supertramp | kk | 23:01 |
| supertramp | thx guys | 23:01 |
| * Noobmonk3y waves | 23:01 | |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, it failed at configuring | 23:02 |
| * MohammadAG_ takes it down from devel | 23:02 | |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 23:02 |
| frikinz | Hi. I've installed clawsmail (on an n800) but the led keeps on blinking. I had unread mails when I installed claws. Now I've read them all. but.. it keeps on blinking. any idea? | 23:02 |
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| frals | MohammadAG_: what does the SMS from orange say? that you got an mms waiting? :P | 23:03 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, something like that, but I tried to send a message and it said Error: -2 Name or service not known | 23:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | it would be a bit rude if it said "damn you mum is fit, we are keeping that pic for our collection!" | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | Please make sure your APN settings are correct | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG_ | ROFL | 23:04 |
| FIQ | would it be theoretical possible to run Windows applications (through some random i386 emulator and wine)? | 23:04 |
| SpeedEvil | FIQ: yes | 23:04 |
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| MohammadAG_ | yes, it would take a year to launch notepad | 23:04 |
| FIQ | has it been done? | 23:04 |
| FIQ | awesome! | 23:05 |
| * MohammadAG_ doubts that | 23:05 | |
| * FIQ starts notepad | 23:05 | |
| SpeedEvil | FIQ: the cpu speed is likely to be on a par with a 386/40 or something | 23:05 |
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| MohammadAG_ | FIQ, see ya when PR1.2 gets released :P | 23:05 |
| SpeedEvil | FIQ: optimistically | 23:05 |
| FIQ | heh | 23:05 |
| * MohammadAG_ likes that word | 23:05 | |
| c|oneman | I think windows95 can run natively on the n95 :) | 23:05 |
| FIQ | well, obviously i was not going to run some windows games | 23:05 |
| FIQ | just a few nice programs for win | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | c|oneman, not natively | 23:06 |
| * Noobmonk3y is still predicting 1.2 this week :) | 23:06 | |
| c|oneman | its not emulated is it? | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | x86 is emulated using DOSbox | 23:06 |
| c|oneman | oh | 23:06 |
| FIQ | hm | 23:06 |
| mece | Noobmonk3y, then again you're predicting 1.2 every week | 23:06 |
| FIQ | win95... | 23:06 |
| FIQ | on a N95... | 23:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | nope, not me :) | 23:06 |
| * MohammadAG_ hopes PR1.2 gets released next week | 23:06 | |
| mece | loss95 | 23:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | only posted once about it | 23:06 |
| FIQ | if so, it really would be possible to run it on a N900 as well... | 23:06 |
| mece | oh well. | 23:06 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:06 |
| FIQ | and then, we have the thing i want.. somehow! | 23:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | FIQ, win 95 runs on the N900 | 23:07 |
| frals | MohammadAG_: what connection mode did you pic? | 23:07 |
| frals | pick* | 23:07 |
| frals | and what does the log say? | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | as well as 98 | 23:07 |
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| * frals tabs back to bc2 | 23:07 | |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, err, I chose configure | 23:07 |
| FIQ | so... why would it take ages to start notepad that way, if a full-fledged windows installation would run somewhat fine? | 23:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 23:07 |
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| FIQ | well | 23:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | fiq, people have got win95 and 98 working on the N900... but dual booting | 23:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | FIQ, thought you were like the tmo-guys who want CoD on it | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | or some guy who PM'd me asking about a PS3 emulator | 23:08 |
| frikinz | okay that's a bug, removed the notification and set it up again, not blinking anymore. | 23:08 |
| FIQ | lol | 23:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | I told him it's in the works, gonna be built into PR1.4 | 23:08 |
| FIQ | lol | 23:08 |
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| * MohammadAG_ wants to get BC2 to pwn frals | 23:09 | |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 23:09 |
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| mece | what's BC2? | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | Battlefield Bad company 2 | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | Company* | 23:09 |
| mece | uh sounds too modern for my taste. | 23:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 23:10 |
| * MohammadAG_ has been offline on PSN for about a week | 23:10 | |
| mece | I liked BattleField 1942 desert combat mod. | 23:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~curse Sony | 23:10 |
| * Noobmonk3y wants tetris on th N900 and not some crappy copy | 23:10 | |
| c|oneman | nes emulator? | 23:10 |
| * MohammadAG_ asks Noobmonk3y to google a GTK tetris game | 23:10 | |
| FIQ | hmm... | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | A tetris clone for Linux with GTK+ interface. | 23:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | Building! | 23:11 |
| FIQ | does i really have to wait to PR1.2 for getting working OGG in libsdl? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, http://xkcd.com/724/ | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=79769 | 23:11 |
| mece | FIQ, no it seems to work just fine. | 23:11 |
| FIQ | someone at here told me that | 23:11 |
| mece | wesnoth uses ogg afaict | 23:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | did someone say bacon? | 23:11 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, dynamic accelerometer controlled falling | 23:11 |
| MohammadAG_ | lcuk, now that's a clone! | 23:11 |
| mece | damn, now I'm hungry | 23:12 |
| FIQ | hmm... well, tried download libsdl-oggwav (or something like that), failed | 23:12 |
| * MohammadAG_ is confused | 23:12 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, im thinking ahead | 23:12 |
| FIQ | tried to get sound working in hedgewars | 23:12 |
| mece | FIQ, in scratchbox? | 23:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | good pick lcuk! | 23:12 |
| FIQ | no, in xterm in maemo.. | 23:12 |
| lcuk | mmmmmmmmm bacon | 23:12 |
| mece | hmm | 23:12 |
| frals | MohammadAG_: it defaults to polite where you have to connect manually to the MMS APN, hence the sending failure | 23:12 |
| FIQ | but i have wesnoth | 23:12 |
| FIQ | does it install it? | 23:12 |
| FIQ | as a dependecy | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, but I Set it to havoc | 23:13 |
| mece | FIQ, perhaps it doesn't use ogg.. | 23:13 |
| frals | hm | 23:13 |
| frals | send me the log plx! | 23:13 |
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| Nitial | lcuk: http://www.swfme.com/view/1046212 have you seen this? :) | 23:14 |
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| FIQ | ok, does it exists a i386 emu at all? (just emulating an i386 processor, not a windows thing or so) | 23:14 |
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| FIQ | then, i could get opera for N900. :d | 23:15 |
| FIQ | (the only application that i really miss on N900, that i cannot fix by myself) | 23:15 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, coming up, if I can find that | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, want a teaser? | 23:16 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, http://i44.tinypic.com/34tbm34.jpg | 23:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 23:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | gonna port it? | 23:17 |
| frals | MohammadAG_: /tmp/fmms.log | 23:17 |
| mece | Noobmonk3y, it's already running isn't it... | 23:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | running? | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, compiled | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | and running | 23:18 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, sec then | 23:18 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooo i want! | 23:18 |
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| lcuk | hahahaha Nitial | 23:20 |
| * MohammadAG_ asks, how do I NOT import the default GTK theme? | 23:21 | |
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| Noobmonk3y | remove all lines og gtk code setting a theme | 23:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | should just b 1 or 2 | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | well | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | running it using ./gtktetris imports the hildon theme | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | err, the standard theme* | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | like the one in the scneenie | 23:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | running it as run-standalone.sh (which the N900 will do) imports the theme hildon | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | which breaks the game | 23:23 |
| Noobmonk3y | looks like it sets a theme to me | 23:23 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hildon sets it | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | sadly | 23:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://i42.tinypic.com/27z953d.jpg | 23:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | as you can see, the bottom row is borked | 23:24 |
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| cehteh | MohammadAG_: better than http://www.swfme.com/view/1046212 at least .. | 23:26 |
| MohammadAG_ | ROFL | 23:27 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I thought it was shopped or sth | 23:27 |
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| MohammadAG_ | now why did that happen ^ | 23:29 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG_ | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, did I crash your xchat? | 23:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | killed xchat | 23:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | yeah | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | lmfao | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG_ | wasn't intended btw | 23:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehe | 23:30 |
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| MohammadAG_ | meh, I blame the N900 version of xchat | 23:31 |
| cehteh | for what? | 23:31 |
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| MohammadAG_ | * Noobmonk3y has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | that | 23:31 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lol | 23:31 |
| Noobmonk3y | and again | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | * Offering test to Noobmonk3y | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | it kills his xchat | 23:31 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup | 23:32 |
| cehteh | i never tried dcc to the n900 | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: works fine | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | cehteh: I downloaded a couple of dozen books so far. | 23:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | (copies of works I own of course) | 23:32 |
| cehteh | books via dcc? | 23:32 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 23:32 |
| cehteh | heh | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 23:32 |
| Macer | haha | 23:32 |
| * MohammadAG_ tries again | 23:33 | |
| MohammadAG_ | apologies Noobmonk3y | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lmao I give up | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | try dccing me something | 23:33 |
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| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, on N900? | 23:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | err - where me = N900evil | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh | 23:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: connecting | 23:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, I blame your N900 :) | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG_: you know you have to punch a hole in your firewall to allow DCC send? | 23:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | so do i...... | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, looks like ports aren't set up correctly on this PC | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | ^ | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 23:34 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | but at least you didn't die | 23:34 |
| opdf2 | im not sure if there's a defect in my n900 keyboard, but is there a brownish/copper color between the N and M keys? | 23:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | opdf2, nothing here, try running a paper or something through the keys, might be something in there | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | not here either | 23:36 |
| opdf2 | okay might be dirt then | 23:36 |
| opdf2 | k its gone lol | 23:37 |
| opdf2 | tried compressed air, but paper only works | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 23:38 |
| opdf2 | anyone using a car mount for their n900? | 23:38 |
| opdf2 | im lookin for a good one | 23:38 |
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| opdf2 | i want one for its navi fxn | 23:39 |
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| Macer | omg. i think i finally found a damn jabber client that doesnt suck | 23:41 |
| Macer | for android | 23:41 |
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| trumee | i have choice wiring up the car radio to the N900, or using the FM transmitter. Any idea which is less taxing on the battery? | 23:44 |
| trumee | although, i would miss not having the calls routed to the car radio via the FM transmitter. | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG_ | for tar.gz, isn't the untar command tar -xzvf? | 23:45 |
| c|oneman | both option suck | 23:45 |
| ToJa92 | I'd say wiring it up to the N900 | 23:45 |
| c|oneman | oh, you mean wiring the 3.5mm jack? | 23:46 |
| c|oneman | your calls would still be routed to the car radio if you did that. | 23:46 |
| c|oneman | it would see it as a headset | 23:46 |
| c|oneman | I think? | 23:46 |
| c|oneman | thats what the n95 did | 23:46 |
| ToJa92 | if you use a normal 3.2mm jack it would think it are connected to a pair of headphones | 23:47 |
| ToJa92 | 5.5* | 23:47 |
| ToJa92 | 3.5* | 23:47 |
| trumee | yes, the calls are not routed if i use the FM transmitter. | 23:47 |
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| trumee | but what eats the battery more, FM transmitter or pumping out audio via the 3.5mm jack. | 23:48 |
| ToJa92 | FM Transmitter I would say | 23:48 |
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| trumee | cool. i like the 3.5mm jack coz i can take calls on the car radio with it. | 23:49 |
| opdf2 | trumee: Fm transmitter would use more battery, and the 3.5mm jack would sound better | 23:49 |
| * MohammadAG_ uses Bluetooth | 23:50 | |
| opdf2 | ^ best option | 23:50 |
| MohammadAG_ | or just pick up the phone, screw the police | 23:50 |
| cehteh | i wont be sure that the transmitter takes more | 23:50 |
| cehteh | that highly depends on what you plug into the jack too | 23:50 |
| opdf2 | if you have charger in car, bluetooth is the way to go | 23:50 |
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| SpeedEvil | cehteh: it does compared to phones at non extreme volume | 23:50 |
| cehteh | yes transmitter and carging dont work together | 23:50 |
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| c|oneman | I would estimate the 3.5mm audio is many times higher quality than the fm transmitter | 23:51 |
| trumee | opdf2: i am always afraid whether the car produces clean power, dont want to fry my device :) | 23:51 |
| cehteh | SpeedEvil: impedance of the load you put on it makes a difference too | 23:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | yeah | 23:52 |
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| c|oneman | I don't like the quality of FM transmitters | 23:52 |
| c|oneman | for music | 23:52 |
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| SpeedEvil | low powered ones are bad | 23:52 |
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| c|oneman | I bought the most expensive one on dealextreme, it was 8$ :D | 23:53 |
| c|oneman | I figured it must be the same as a 99$ monster one | 23:53 |
| c|oneman | never tried a 'good' one | 23:54 |
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| frals | MohammadAG_: any progress on that log? ;) | 23:54 |
| * MohammadAG_ forgot | 23:54 | |
| MohammadAG_ | that | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | that's one big log | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG_ | frals, http://pastebin.com/KDb5MkPw | 23:55 |
| frals | ta | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh crap, my number's in there | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 23:55 |
| frals | ah crap it doesnt save the config as it should | 23:56 |
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| frals | open configuration and in the apn configuration stuff press "save" on the dialog and it should save it properly :P | 23:56 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, same error | 23:58 |
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| frals | need to do some checking, im pretty sure its because it doesnt save the settings | 23:58 |
| frals | APN: None user: pass: proxyip: None mmsc1: mmsc2: 0 | 23:58 |
| frals | that line should print the settings and not a lot of empty :P | 23:58 |
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| frals | have to go over my code i guess | 23:58 |
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