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| DocScrutinizer | ~lart taleo freegin js crap | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: hsupa is just a nasty powerhog | 00:07 |
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| ShadowJK | I don't htink hsupa is working where I am :/ | 00:08 |
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| ShadowJK | but I guess I'd need mdma to see how much upstream I'm allowed to use in the first place | 00:09 |
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| pupnik | my thing says 3.5 with 5 bars.. and im in the woods here :) | 00:09 |
| ptl | mdma? ecstasy? | 00:09 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.nerve.org.za/mdma/compat.html "assigned profile" | 00:10 |
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| * MohammadAG_ wonders when the next bug day is | 00:11 | |
| MohammadAG_ | or a testing marathon | 00:11 |
| ptl | bug days are irrelevant if the bugfixes ain't released. | 00:12 |
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| red | part 5 of using stylus in the dark) pff.. grr.. it wont fit back in.. - and then realizing it probably wont fit in the headphone jack | 00:14 |
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| ToJa92 | [red]: Lol | 00:15 |
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| SpeedEvil | I got really worried that my slide had stuck | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | keyboard slide | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | Turned out I'd put the case on the wrong way round - so the 'nokia' logo was at the bottom - and I was consequently holding it upside down | 00:17 |
| jacekowski | i found the problem | 00:18 |
| jacekowski | i've got no idea how to fix it yet | 00:18 |
| red | hah | 00:18 |
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| jacekowski | i mean - it's a hildon related problem | 00:19 |
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| jacekowski | and that autocaps on 1st letter | 00:19 |
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| red | autocaps can be toggled, right? | 00:21 |
| red | iirc | 00:21 |
| ToJa92 | yeah | 00:22 |
| ToJa92 | you can turn it off | 00:22 |
| red | its useful for sms | 00:23 |
| red | dreadful in web forma | 00:23 |
| red | forms* | 00:23 |
| ToJa92 | well, if you write fast I can imagine it's useful... my typing speed is horrible though so I've turned it off | 00:23 |
| ToJa92 | it was annoying in web forms, like you said | 00:23 |
| ToJa92 | I wish the keyboard were more like my old E71's, it was perfect | 00:24 |
| pupnik | in layout or switch form? | 00:25 |
| ToJa92 | I mostly liked the size and the fact there were some actual impact distance, and you actually heard a pretty loud click | 00:26 |
| ToJa92 | some didn't like the small keyboard though | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (autocaps) aiui it's a property bit to be set on the particular readline() or whatever it's called. No idea about hildon desktop though | 00:26 |
| pupnik | have you tried an n810 ToJa92 ? | 00:27 |
| ToJa92 | nope | 00:27 |
| ToJa92 | N900 is my first N-series phone from Nokia actually | 00:27 |
| ToJa92 | how come you wonder? | 00:28 |
| pupnik | worse pressure point | 00:28 |
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| pupnik | i find n900 a significant improvement | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | some (like me) think N810 kbd is magnitudes better than N900's | 00:29 |
| ToJa92 | oh | 00:29 |
| ToJa92 | well, I can't write nearly as fast with my N900 as I could with my E71 | 00:29 |
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| pupnik | that amazes me DocScrutinizer | 00:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | pupnik: wait another few weeks, I ordered a qwerty keymat | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: It takes some learning. | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | alas even that won't add a 4th row | 00:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: I was at - maybe - 18wpm - then my laptop was down for a week, and I got to around 28 | 00:31 |
| ShadowJK | I like the feel of n900 keyboard better, and it has many useful things as blue symbols that n810 keyboard didn't have, but then I like 4 row better | 00:31 |
| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: I think I can hit 35 or so with another weeks practice in principle. | 00:31 |
| ToJa92 | Yeah I guess so.. I was hoping the N900 would have more useful keyboard shortcuts such as Wifi toggle, BT toggle and LED toggle though | 00:32 |
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| ToJa92 | like the E72 | 00:32 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, where from? (keymat) | 00:33 |
| vanadismobile | hai thar | 00:34 |
| vanadismobile | i may asked this before, but how do i update my fennec? Is there a simple solution? | 00:35 |
| ToJa92 | you'll need to add a special repository from mozilla | 00:35 |
| ToJa92 | I can /msg the details to you | 00:35 |
| vanadismobile | yeah, would be cool | 00:35 |
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| MohammadAG_ | brb | 00:40 |
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| ToJa92 | is it just my xterm that sometimes seems to miss-interpret things? for example I wrote leafpad /etc/pmconfig but after I pressed enter it thought I wrote leafpad/etc/pmconfig | 00:52 |
| flashn | has anyone successfully replaced busybox with coreutils yet? | 00:53 |
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| CampHappy | hey prank call this number 6097134734 | 00:53 |
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| vanadismobile | CampHappy, reason? | 00:54 |
| geneven | I give up. What does HAM stand for? | 00:54 |
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| CampHappy | lady is a bitch | 00:55 |
| geneven | I see HAM in the overclocking thread a lot. | 00:55 |
| SpeedEvil | Hildon Application Manager | 00:55 |
| CampHappy | tell her that her son is placing a lawsuit against her | 00:55 |
| vanadismobile | lolwut | 00:56 |
| CampHappy | fo psycological abuse | 00:56 |
| geneven | Thanks, Speedevil! | 00:56 |
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| CampHappy | lol | 00:56 |
| vanadismobile | also, not your personal army | 00:56 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ask 4chan. | 00:56 |
| _llll_ | sounds like her son needs to grow up a bit | 00:57 |
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| vanadismobile | 4chan isnt your personal army either | 00:57 |
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| javispedro | aha, didn't you want a nice eclipse help-like maemo docs page | 01:01 |
| javispedro | http://library.maemodocs.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp there you have | 01:01 |
| javispedro | woot. impressive. | 01:02 |
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| frals | just some css tweaks to make it look a bit more like maemo.org and its perfect! ;) | 01:03 |
| javispedro | looks pro. will they fool anybody into coding for the platform with it? =) | 01:04 |
| flashn | is there a dev channel around? | 01:04 |
| javispedro | there's #maemo-devel for a little less off-topic stuff | 01:05 |
| frals | #maemo-devel ... but most of us is around in here as well | 01:05 |
| * javispedro congratulates himself for managing to skip the entire repo-dns-akamai temporary fiasco =) | 01:06 | |
| flashn | I just got my n900 and I want to get rid of busybox | 01:06 |
| frals | javispedro: ... bastard ;) | 01:06 |
| flashn | havent found a real good answer on the internets, would be nice to know before I brick it >;) | 01:06 |
| Arkenoi | flashn: short answer: you cannot | 01:06 |
| flashn | would like the long version tho >:P | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | flashn: you basically need to rewrite all the init scripts | 01:07 |
| SpeedEvil | flashn: or at least work out which ones bork with bash | 01:08 |
| flashn | thats no problem though | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | flashn: plus - a major issue is that bash has a _MUCH_ larger memory footprint. | 01:08 |
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| Arkenoi | long answer: you probably can, but it requires damn a lot of work it probably does not worth the effort | 01:08 |
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| flashn | i didnt say I was gonna use bash | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | flashn: An instance of bash uses a large slice of a megabyte. An instance of ash uses 10-20k or so | 01:08 |
| SpeedEvil | where ash can also be any busybox tool | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | the memory footprint - and indeed startup time - of a busybox tool - can be very low - as it's already in RAM | 01:09 |
| flashn | I already use bash | 01:09 |
| SpeedEvil | yuo can install gnu-tools, and set your path so it finds those first | 01:09 |
| flashn | but Im more familiar with zsh | 01:09 |
| Arkenoi | but i do not see any good reason why we do not have "real" ps | 01:09 |
| pupnik | DINGO: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot! She has been setting alight to our beacon, which, I just remembered, is grail-shaped. It's not the first time we've had this problem. | 01:09 |
| flashn | thats a ugly way of doing it | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: :) | 01:10 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: install gnu-utils | 01:10 |
| flashn | its in the repo? | 01:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | yes | 01:11 |
| flashn | cool, Ill check it out | 01:11 |
| flashn | thanks! | 01:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/grep-gnu/2.5.4-4maemo3/ | 01:11 |
| SpeedEvil | and similar | 01:11 |
| javispedro | this library is awesome. *drops devhelp* | 01:13 |
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| jacekowski | ok, i think i fixed it | 01:16 |
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| jacekowski | OMG | 01:18 |
| jacekowski | it's friday today | 01:18 |
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| dubzii | It's already 10 minutes into Saturday over here jace | 01:19 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Wow...21 updates today...and no PR1.2...crazy! | 01:38 |
| Gizmokid2005 | that seems like an extraordinary amount of updates for no fw update...hmm | 01:39 |
| _llll_ | why would you expect the fw to be related to random packages? | 01:39 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | I wouldn't. But I update every day, if not checking multiple times per day....for so many updates to come at once, you'd expect a FW update...or maybe for there to have been an issue with the repos. | 01:40 |
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| ShadowJK | do you have -testing or -devel enabled? | 01:43 |
| Gizmokid2005 | both | 01:43 |
| javispedro | ShadowJK: they usually have. | 01:43 |
| Gizmokid2005 | the people who stop by here at least :) | 01:43 |
| javispedro | i specially love the tmo post where someone requested a "repository where stable applications would be stored" | 01:43 |
| ShadowJK | Right. The autobuilder was enhanced to improve compatibility with PR1.1, so several packages that were PR1.2-only would now install on 1.1 too | 01:44 |
| Gizmokid2005 | ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps... | 01:44 |
| Gizmokid2005 | make that 3... | 01:44 |
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| _llll_ | random packages and the fw are not really related, still dont see why the surprise | 01:47 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | because of the major updates in libs in PR1.2, A lot of updates in different apps to update to the deps, just logic flow would lead one to believe a lot of app updates at once would indicate the libs are released (ie - a firmware). | 01:48 |
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| javispedro | no longer -- most packages should work across versions. | 01:49 |
| Gizmokid2005 | most should...I'm still installing, but so far 3 still won't install because of lib differences. | 01:50 |
| javispedro | names? | 01:50 |
| Gizmokid2005 | "Extended Call Log", "FreOffice", "Mapper" so far. | 01:50 |
| FIQ | (00:44:27) (Gizmokid2005) ShadowJK: aahhh, that would cause it I do suppose. So far, only 2 have failed due to PR1.2 deps... | 01:50 |
| FIQ | ukeyboard, sixad | 01:50 |
| FIQ | is it those one? | 01:51 |
| FIQ | two* | 01:51 |
| dima202 | i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package? | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | FreOffice is Qt; Mapper is temporary (fixed one is in temporary autobuilder ... ), | 01:52 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Extended Call Log is a hildon update | 01:52 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | so is Mapper | 01:52 |
| Gizmokid2005 | and I know FreOffice is Qt. | 01:52 |
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| javispedro | a "hildon update"? | 01:52 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 01:53 |
| Gizmokid2005 | yeah, hildon libs have updated which is the lib that the install is failing on. | 01:53 |
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| jacekowski | i think only way to fix caps issue is to disable autocaps in chrome | 01:53 |
| javispedro | Gizmokid2005: according to my records, extcalllog is fixed. | 01:54 |
| Gizmokid2005 | javispedro: not sure what to tell you... 0.3 which is in -devel won't update because of librtcom-eventlogger | 01:54 |
| javispedro | Gizmokid2005: which is NOT hildon... sigh. | 01:55 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | Yeah I saw that :( | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | hildon problem is fixed | 01:55 |
| Gizmokid2005 | that was a mistake on my part :( | 01:55 |
| Gizmokid2005 | sorry | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | all 1.2 problems are fixed | 01:55 |
| Gizmokid2005 | Mapper won't update because of "libhildon1" and "libpixman-1-0" | 01:55 |
| javispedro | seems there was API break between PRs in rtcom-eventlogger, they bumped SONAME. | 01:55 |
| jacekowski | that's problem with a lot of linux apps | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | api is unstable compared to anything else | 01:56 |
| Gizmokid2005 | javispedro: not a problem. I'm not complaining, nor worried about the lack of updates. Just stating facts | 01:56 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I know it'll be fixed come PR1.2 | 01:56 |
| jacekowski | 1.2 is not coming | 01:56 |
| tripzero | PR1.2!!!!!11eleven | 01:56 |
| tripzero | noooooo!!!! :( :( | 01:56 |
| javispedro | Gizmokid2005: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/.fremantletest/maemo-mapper_3.0+beta4/results/ mapper is here. | 01:56 |
| Gizmokid2005 | I didn't say it was...just saying it'll be fixed then. | 01:57 |
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| Gizmokid2005 | javispedro: 3.0+beta2 is what's in -devel. I'm not that worried about updating it now to do a deb install. | 01:58 |
| Gizmokid2005 | like I said, just stating facts. | 01:58 |
| javispedro | you're already using -devel. it's as bad as .deb install. | 01:58 |
| Gizmokid2005 | oh wait...beta4 is in the reports | 01:58 |
| Gizmokid2005 | *repos | 01:58 |
| Gizmokid2005 | wow | 01:58 |
| Gizmokid2005 | yes I know...but then I have to either navigate to the url on my phone, or send it to my phone...and with my laziness, neither will happen. | 01:59 |
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| javispedro | joggler got back to its original price :( | 02:07 |
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| lcuk | £359.99 ? | 02:07 |
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| javispedro | :) touché. | 02:07 |
| javispedro | £99.99 | 02:08 |
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| dima202 | So anyone know in what package I can find screen? | 02:13 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | screen | 02:14 |
| jacekowski | ( don't tell anyone ) | 02:14 |
| _llll_ | is it even packaged? | 02:14 |
| dima202 | i can't install screen, I get "Package screen is not available, but is referred to by another package." what other package? | 02:14 |
| dima202 | jacekowski: I won't tell anyone | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | it's not packaged | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | give 20 minutes | 02:15 |
| jacekowski | and i'll fix it | 02:15 |
| dima202 | sweet thanks | 02:15 |
| lcuk | bactually that sounds like it is? | 02:16 |
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| _llll_ | sounds like anothr package does "Depends: screen" | 02:16 |
| jacekowski | well, maybe little bit more than 20 minutes | 02:16 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/screen/ | 02:16 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:16 |
| lcuk | so why do we also have documentation for it | 02:17 |
| javispedro | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/screen/ | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | because it will take 20 minutes for me to make chrome package | 02:17 |
| javispedro | tools repo. | 02:17 |
| _llll_ | woah, there's a tools repo? | 02:17 |
| _llll_ | thanks for nothing maemo wiki | 02:17 |
| jacekowski | that wiki is useless | 02:18 |
| jacekowski | i mean | 02:18 |
| javispedro | .. | 02:18 |
| jacekowski | there are 5 pages about same thing | 02:18 |
| jacekowski | but every each of that pages has something that other pages don't have | 02:18 |
| jacekowski | but 50% of text is same | 02:18 |
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| _llll_ | and all badly written (thanks wikipedia for teaching people how not to write) so you dont want to trust it | 02:19 |
| javispedro | all badly written? | 02:19 |
| _llll_ | haha, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/screen "this article documents a developer tool" | 02:21 |
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| javispedro | it's true -- it's on the devel repo. | 02:22 |
| javispedro | s/devel/tools | 02:22 |
| _llll_ | how is screen a developer tool? | 02:22 |
| javispedro | how is it NOT a developer tool, considering that from the Maemo userbase only developers will use it? | 02:23 |
| jacekowski | i'm using screen | 02:24 |
| _llll_ | wget as well | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | for non development purposes | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | and wget | 02:24 |
| _llll_ | you may as well say firefox is a developer tool | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | google is a developer tool | 02:24 |
| jacekowski | and porn search engine | 02:24 |
| javispedro | have you read the argument I used? | 02:24 |
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| _llll_ | i dindt understand your argument | 02:24 |
| _llll_ | im not a developer, but i use screen every day | 02:24 |
| Arkenoi | is it safe to enable pool repo on the device or there is a chance it will fetch some wrong version that will brick the phone? | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: tool | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: not pool | 02:25 |
| javispedro | tools, not pool. stuff there's not optified, btw. | 02:25 |
| jacekowski | Arkenoi: well, you can always unbrick it | 02:25 |
| javispedro | _llll_: we even have a say for that here: "the exception that proves the rule". | 02:26 |
| javispedro | *saying | 02:26 |
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| jacekowski | besides, optification is evil | 02:27 |
| _llll_ | man-db gets asked for a fair bit in here too | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | packages should go to /opt/bin with their binaries | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | and /opt/bin should be in PATH | 02:27 |
| jacekowski | not like it's now that every binary is symlinker | 02:28 |
| jacekowski | symlinked* | 02:28 |
| javispedro | but it doesn't matter. the idea of the tools repo is to provide the free stuff that Nokia has used for development and testing to third party developers. they somehow used screen, but did not consider it a package fit for the base system repository, thus tools repo. | 02:28 |
| _llll_ | basically my point is that it's a confusing name, and the wiki does not direct anyone to its existance | 02:28 |
| javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 | 02:28 |
| javispedro | it's not defined enough there? change it then. | 02:29 |
| _llll_ | how would anyone have known that page was there? i certainly didny | 02:29 |
| javispedro | _llll_: well I found it following the link you gave me minutes ago | 02:29 |
| guysoft42 | j #highaltitude | 02:29 |
| guysoft42 | ops | 02:29 |
| _llll_ | yes, and i only found that when someone mentione d"tools repository" in here | 02:30 |
| _llll_ | i dont trhink "tools repository" is mentioned anywhere else | 02:30 |
| _llll_ | confusing | 02:30 |
| Ken-Young | I am trying to import contacts into my N900. I have an "Outlook format" CSV file called contacts.csv . I can see the file with xterminal. It is world-readable. But the Maemo Contacts app just doesn't list the file when I try to select it. Is there some special name the file must have? Is there some other format I need? | 02:31 |
| jacekowski | yeah | 02:32 |
| jacekowski | vcard | 02:32 |
| javispedro | _llll_: "screen maemo" in google links to that page. | 02:32 |
| jacekowski | maemo3 chrome just got uploaded | 02:32 |
| Ken-Young | jacekowski, Thanks, I'll try that. | 02:33 |
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| Ken-Young | jacekowski, That fixed my problem. Thanks again, that saved a lot of typing. | 02:37 |
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| lcuk | frals #maemo-ui is thata way >> | 02:45 |
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| frals | lcuk: yeah im there ;) | 02:45 |
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| ToJa92 | does anyone know how to clear the "preloading" images that appear before the actual application is loaded? It's pretty much a screenshot that is on top of the application which is loading.... | 03:03 |
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| dima202 | jacekowski: any luck porting screen to maemo repo? | 03:23 |
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| SpeedEvil | I've got screen installed | 03:28 |
| SpeedEvil | try apt-get install screen | 03:28 |
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| dima202 | same error | 03:32 |
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| Clasificado | hi all | 03:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | it's in the tools repo | 03:37 |
| SpeedEvil | and works fine | 03:37 |
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| dima202 | I only see # Extras repository for community applications | 03:42 |
| dima202 | # Extras Testing repository for testing of stable community applications | 03:42 |
| dima202 | # Extras Development repository for testing of unstable community applications | 03:42 |
| Clasificado | hi all | 03:43 |
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| dima202 | No #Tools repository | 03:43 |
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| dima202 | I thought n900 used arm, what's this armel ? | 04:31 |
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| Elleo | dima202: they are arm chips, armel refers to binaries compiled for arm's eabi | 04:46 |
| Elleo | iirc it's an arm cortex a8 | 04:47 |
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| pupnik | who here remembers where microb caches flv | 04:59 |
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| pupnik | lsof isnt making me smarter | 05:05 |
| Clasificado | microb has a button to clear cache | 05:06 |
| Clasificado | something like clear private data | 05:06 |
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| Elleo | pupnik: looks like ~/MyDocs/tmp/Flash$x | 05:12 |
| Elleo | where $x is a random string | 05:12 |
| dima202 | Elleo: I think thats clears stuff up a little | 05:13 |
| Elleo | dima202: basically anything newer target at stuff newer than an arm4t is likely to be armel as far as debian packages are concerned | 05:14 |
| Elleo | anything pre EABI support debian labels as simply "arm" architecture | 05:14 |
| Elleo | s/newer target/targetted/ | 05:15 |
| dima202 | ok, I understand, thanks Elleo | 05:15 |
| Elleo | no problem :) | 05:15 |
| pupnik | ty also Elleo | 05:21 |
| Elleo | no worries | 05:21 |
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| pupnik | did youtube break flash video for mplayer? i am getting maybe 8 frames, then playback stops | 05:35 |
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| pronto | they've added ads before the video itself recently | 05:52 |
| pronto | that might be causing issues | 05:52 |
| pupnik | i have to reboot to check | 05:54 |
| pupnik | do you see problems with them pronto ? even in browser they seem to hang after a few frames | 05:58 |
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| pronto | for what? the n900 | 05:58 |
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| pupnik | yes | 06:05 |
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| crashanddie | somehow, I believe some people need to actually read what they send to print http://www.amazon.com/Cooking-Pooh-Cookie-Cutters-Adventures/dp/1570822611 | 07:06 |
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| crashanddie | the comments on that page are excellent though | 07:07 |
| crashanddie | Page 6, "Two tigers one cup" ??? | 07:08 |
| crashanddie | http://www.amazon.com/Daddy-Didnt-Albert-Whitman-Prairie/dp/0807535265 lmao | 07:09 |
| crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l641JZwsQVU | 07:13 |
| Corsac | mpf, angry birds is still at 1.1.0 while 1.2.1 has been released | 07:17 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, I have several questions related to the easy debian chroot. First, it seems that I did something with the sudoers - 'debbie' asks me for password. How to fix it? | 08:14 |
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| dotblank | well I think Ive done something useless | 08:19 |
| dotblank | compiled a starcraft battlenet server for the n900 | 08:20 |
| dotblank | Now my phone is a mobile tournament server | 08:20 |
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| LuciusMare | dotblank: oo | 08:21 |
| LuciusMare | that might be useless, but awesome | 08:22 |
| dotblank | now I all I need to do is make a script arp poison intercept DNS requests and redirect useast.battle.net to my phones IP address | 08:22 |
| crazyhorses | im confused, im trying to install a package in apt-get ... but it keeps reminding me of another package i tried to install using dpkg .. how can i clear it? | 08:22 |
| dotblank | simple right? | 08:22 |
| LuciusMare | dotblank: what about the wifi? | 08:23 |
| dotblank | you may be able to force the install | 08:23 |
| dotblank | LuciusMare, well performance on wifi will be slow | 08:23 |
| LuciusMare | You would need to duct tape the phone to the antenne to get a reasonable speed | 08:23 |
| dotblank | better Idea | 08:24 |
| dotblank | create an AP called starcraft | 08:24 |
| dotblank | have people connect to it | 08:24 |
| dotblank | ah but is wifi fast enough | 08:24 |
| LuciusMare | Then my router is composed of spare parts | 08:25 |
| dotblank | The best solution would be to host a webserver that has a php script to automatically generate a .reg file that changes the bnet gateways to that of the phone | 08:26 |
| dotblank | now is php ported? | 08:26 |
| dotblank | or is the apache compilied for the n900 have mod_python/ | 08:27 |
| LuciusMare | but wit a minute, I thought starcraft is closed source and win only... | 08:29 |
| LuciusMare | s/wit/wait/ | 08:29 |
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| nfermat | what i can do to swap mmcblk0 for mmcblk1 ? udev rules? | 08:29 |
| dotblank | well there is a open source bnet clone that is compatible with blizzards sc2 | 08:30 |
| dotblank | sc1* | 08:30 |
| LuciusMare | oo, cool | 08:30 |
| LuciusMare | but only the server, right? | 08:30 |
| dotblank | its also a warcraft III and diablo server | 08:30 |
| dotblank | yes | 08:30 |
| LuciusMare | :( | 08:31 |
| dotblank | whats cool is you can make an app control the bnet server and create ladders or brackets for an event from your phone | 08:31 |
| dotblank | you could also make it watch the progress of games... then if you wanted to get really really fancy | 08:32 |
| dotblank | you could load the sc1 client with replay stream client and then send it to a headless windows VM with a vnc server and it would allow you to "watch" matches in realtime from your phone | 08:33 |
| LuciusMare | *dumb smile* | 08:34 |
| LuciusMare | replay stream client? | 08:34 |
| dotblank | yea ICCup has a launcher that will enable realtime streaming of matches | 08:34 |
| dotblank | native to the games replay format | 08:35 |
| LuciusMare | by the way, when we're on virtual machines... | 08:35 |
| LuciusMare | I had this warm feeling when I ran kvm on my n900, ran a little linux in it, and connected to it from my friends house with vnc | 08:37 |
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| LuciusMare | ^^ | 08:37 |
| dotblank | you ran KVM on the n900 | 08:37 |
| LuciusMare | hurr | 08:37 |
| dotblank | I don't think the n900 has hardware extensions for VMs or is it software | 08:37 |
| Ebzzry | Hi! Is there at least an R5RS Scheme for Maemo 5? | 08:37 |
| LuciusMare | Or was it the easy debian chroot? I am not sure, I was kinda playing with both things at once | 08:38 |
| dotblank | sounds like a debian arm chroot | 08:39 |
| LuciusMare | Probably yes | 08:39 |
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| luke-jr | OpenVZ should work on ARM :P | 08:52 |
| dotblank | has marble been releasde for the n900? | 08:58 |
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| dotblank | i love it when an unmodified project says "Building with Maemo GPS support" | 09:01 |
| kirma | dotblank: cortex a8 has hypervisor stuff, I don't really remember the name for it though | 09:05 |
| kirma | not in use with n900 I bet... | 09:05 |
| kirma | trustzone | 09:06 |
| dotblank | so im 60% into building marble... no errors yet | 09:06 |
| luke-jr | kirma: hypervisor doesn't need hardware stuff | 09:07 |
| kirma | oh well, technically it can live without it | 09:09 |
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| LuciusMare | Hi, can i trigger the auto-focus,whit balance... from shell? | 09:23 |
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| Gh0sty | LuciusMare: you have the same impression like me? | 09:29 |
| Gh0sty | that pictures are too bright ? | 09:30 |
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| RST38h | http://s06.radikal.ru/i179/1004/22/e9dbd14be59f.jpg | 09:33 |
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| LuciusMare | Gh0sty: sorta, actually, I made it take a photograph every x seconds, and since it starts at night, and day gets brighter, soon there is nothing but white area instead of the photo | 09:40 |
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| crashanddie | LuciusMare: you don't want AWB for timelapse | 09:57 |
| crashanddie | LuciusMare: AWB will absolutely ruin your timeline -- nothing will make sense | 09:57 |
| Treibholz | hast anybody ever watched a video with zoutube? | 09:57 |
| Treibholz | doesn't work here. I only see the throbber, when I click on a video. | 09:58 |
| dotblank | hmm I just made a package I was wondering how to optify it | 09:59 |
| dotblank | maemo-optify-deb doesn't exist in my sratch box | 10:00 |
| LuciusMare | crashanddie: why so? | 10:00 |
| crashanddie | LuciusMare: hang on, give me 5 minutes and I'll digg up a video that demonstrates this | 10:00 |
| LuciusMare | crashanddie: i am not talking about 5 second intervals, i mean something around 10 minutes | 10:00 |
| crashanddie | yeah, doesn't matter | 10:00 |
| LuciusMare | but okay, so how to solve it? | 10:01 |
| LuciusMare | If i auto at day, i'll see nothing at night and vice versa... | 10:01 |
| crashanddie | LuciusMare: I have quite a lot of experience with time lapse, I build my rigs to move the camera and take pictures at specific intervals | 10:01 |
| crashanddie | LuciusMare: well, AWB changes the "white balance" | 10:01 |
| crashanddie | but your white balance doesn't really change, because you're not going from inside to outside, etc | 10:02 |
| crashanddie | (white balance defines how "white" the light is, it doesn't define exposure or anything) | 10:02 |
| Macer | hello | 10:03 |
| crashanddie | the only thing you should be modifying the exposure and ISO setting, preferably manually, or scripted, auto is bad | 10:03 |
| crashanddie | hey Macer | 10:03 |
| Macer | hi | 10:03 |
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| Macer | another glorious night. any word on the n910 yet? | 10:03 |
| LuciusMare | hm, right. | 10:04 |
| RST38h | Yes, it will run WebOS =) | 10:04 |
| LuciusMare | Thank you | 10:04 |
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| Macer | RST38h: hahhaa | 10:04 |
| Macer | is webos any good? | 10:05 |
| Macer | i still cant believe they chose that name.. like it is 1992 or something | 10:05 |
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| crashanddie | LuciusMare: there's multiple techniques used to cheat the exposure -- some will use two cameras, very close to each other, one setup for night, the other for day, some will make two passes with the same camera, completely manual, once for night, and once for day, and then just blend both sources in post-prod | 10:07 |
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| Corsac | yeah, usually decent cameras have bracketing habilities | 10:10 |
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| crashanddie | Corsac: bracketing is useless for timelapse | 10:12 |
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| crashanddie | LuciusMare: I'm guessing you'd like to achieve something like this: http://vimeo.com/3292216 ? The problem with that is that well... It's "shaky" because of the auto-exposure | 10:18 |
| inkbottle | There is no plan for a faster CPU? | 10:19 |
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| BCMM | i mistakenly tried to connect to a wireless network (presumably ad-hoc) on a train from my n900 | 10:20 |
| BCMM | now it always shows on the list of possible network connections | 10:20 |
| BCMM | can i make it forget about it? | 10:20 |
| dotblank | is libqt4-webkit not optified | 10:21 |
| crashanddie | BCMM: delete it in the network dialog | 10:22 |
| BCMM | thanks | 10:22 |
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| BCMM | oh hadn't looked at that before | 10:23 |
| BCMM | presumably that lets you create an ad-hoc or use a hidden network | 10:23 |
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| dotblank | Ugh | 10:26 |
| dotblank | can't install libqt4-webkit.... it uses too much on rootfs | 10:26 |
| dotblank | GAH! | 10:26 |
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| crashanddie | LuciusMare: Here is a good example of what can be achieved by correctly choosing the exposure: http://vimeo.com/10010904 | 10:31 |
| crashanddie | LuciusMare: btw, if you want to get serious about timelapsing, may I suggest a real camera? | 10:31 |
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| BCMM | can one import an email address book for use with the built-in email? | 10:58 |
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| dotblank | awesome | 11:09 |
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| crashanddie | dotblank: hmm? | 11:13 |
| crashanddie | BCMM: sure, you can import gmail contacts for example | 11:14 |
| BCMM | crashanddie: thanks | 11:14 |
| BCMM | already found the option to import vcards | 11:14 |
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| dotblank | crashanddie, oh just built a package for PVPgn on arm | 11:16 |
| dotblank | now I have a battle.net server on my n900 | 11:16 |
| korhojoa | :D | 11:18 |
| korhojoa | "anyone wanna play some diablo?" | 11:18 |
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| lcuk | mornin maemo \o | 11:25 |
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| MaceG1 | I don't think I can take it anymore | 11:39 |
| MaceG1 | I am getting an n900 tomorrow morn | 11:39 |
| MaceG1 | Ordering one at least | 11:39 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:39 |
| MaceG1 | :) | 11:39 |
| Chiku | I don't think I can take it anymore too | 11:39 |
| Chiku | I wil not wait PR1.2 | 11:39 |
| MaceG1 | I was holding back until the bugs were ironed out | 11:39 |
| Chiku | and reflash with PR1.1 | 11:40 |
| MaceG1 | PR1.2? | 11:40 |
| MaceG1 | If they had named it the n900 eXtreme | 11:40 |
| MaceG1 | I would have bought it when it was released | 11:40 |
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| MaceG1 | bad marketing decision by nokia. Everybody knows a capital X is needed for cool things to buy | 11:41 |
| MaceG1 | Like... n900X | 11:41 |
| MaceG1 | Sts.. I was honestly holding out hope that mer would be just like maemo5 on my n810 | 11:42 |
| MaceG1 | ;-) | 11:42 |
| MaceG1 | With gles support and all hehe | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 11:42 |
| MaceG1 | But now the n810 is ancient and has a layer of dust I can use to weave a quilt with | 11:43 |
| MaceG1 | I should hook it up to a stereo as an mp3 player | 11:43 |
| MaceG1 | Or ogg! | 11:43 |
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| frals | morning everyone o/ | 11:45 |
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| lcuk | mornin frals \o\ | 11:50 |
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| RST38h | ah, live lcuk! | 11:52 |
| * lcuk is a recording | 11:52 | |
| * frals erases lcuk | 11:52 | |
| lcuk | again! | 11:54 |
| lcuk | frals, your outlook2010 problem is fail | 11:54 |
| frals | yes, it sucks | 11:55 |
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| RST38h | Normal people do not use Outlook. | 11:55 |
| MaceG1 | Haha | 11:55 |
| RST38h | They use PINE! =) | 11:55 |
| RST38h | [and PICO of course] | 11:55 |
| frals | haha | 11:55 |
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| MaceG1 | I was with you until the pico part | 11:56 |
| sECuRE | if anyone really uses a commandline mail client, try sup.rubyforge.org | 11:56 |
| MaceG1 | Pine + vi | 11:56 |
| sECuRE | i switched to it from mutt und it really is so much better | 11:56 |
| lcuk | hardcore users read mail via telnet | 11:56 |
| petteri | alpine seems to be the new pine | 11:56 |
| MaceG1 | lcuk: over 300 baud modems on terminals | 11:56 |
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| MaceG1 | Like wargames where the "password" is joshua and you just need to put that in at the login prompt | 11:57 |
| lcuk | MaceG1, sadists use a regular phone and whistle the modem signals | 11:57 |
| MaceG1 | Holy shit | 11:57 |
| MaceG1 | You win :) | 11:58 |
| MaceG1 | Hahahahaha | 11:58 |
| MaceG1 | That's extreme | 11:58 |
| MaceG1 | Capital X | 11:58 |
| nid0 | i regularly read mail via a shell :< | 11:58 |
| lcuk | i normally listen to the sea with a shell | 11:59 |
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| MaceG1 | Lcuk: that is the quote of the year. You made me giggle like a school girl with that one | 11:59 |
| lcuk | :D | 12:00 |
| dotblank | Gah I need an expert in optification | 12:02 |
| frals | mornin Noobmonk3y | 12:02 |
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| Noobmonk3y | i need a big fat fryup! | 12:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | mooooooooaning | 12:02 |
| nid0 | thatd be lovely about now | 12:02 |
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| nid0 | got no bacon tho | 12:03 |
| nid0 | or eggs :( | 12:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | i just sent the missus to the kitchen, wohooooo | 12:03 |
| nid0 | mine's still in bed, lazy cow | 12:03 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, ask her to make me some too please | 12:03 |
| lcuk | nid0, im still in bed | 12:04 |
| nid0 | shes still in bed + asleep* | 12:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 12:04 |
| lcuk | how do you know im not | 12:04 |
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| nid0 | i've seen sleep typists in my time but never one that can actually respond to people | 12:05 |
| lcuk | sleep typists usually use nose as a spare finger | 12:05 |
| lcuk | and wake up with letter impressions on forehead | 12:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | oooo yay laureus sports awards on tv.... | 12:05 |
| MaceG1 | Hm. I should try this windows.kde.org thing | 12:06 |
| MaceG1 | Speaking of which. How is the opensolaris kde project going? | 12:06 |
| MaceG1 | Say what you want about kde but I like it :) | 12:06 |
| nid0 | bummer, flights restricted for longer | 12:07 |
| nid0 | my sister's boyfriend was meant to be flying home today | 12:07 |
| MaceG1 | Flights restricted? | 12:08 |
| MaceG1 | Is he flying in from iran? | 12:08 |
| lcuk | yeah iceland farted | 12:08 |
| MaceG1 | Another quake? | 12:08 |
| lcuk | MaceG1, you havent heard about the massive ash cloud | 12:08 |
| nid0 | MaceG1 no, volcano in iceland on like thursday has shutdown air travel over most of europe | 12:08 |
| nid0 | its been like | 12:08 |
| nid0 | headline news, everywhere | 12:08 |
| nid0 | for days | 12:08 |
| MaceG1 | Whoa | 12:08 |
| lcuk | from big volcano, wiping out air traffic over lots of europe for the last few days? | 12:08 |
| MaceG1 | I don't watch tv ;) | 12:09 |
| lcuk | cave dweller? | 12:09 |
| MaceG1 | Wow | 12:09 |
| MaceG1 | Sounds serious | 12:09 |
| lcuk | tis | 12:09 |
| MaceG1 | No. Just don't usually watch tv | 12:09 |
| Terje_ | nid0, I bet that gave some ideas to Pentagon about warfare. | 12:09 |
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| MaceG1 | Wow. Guess I should go to propaganda.com and check it out | 12:09 |
| lcuk | just open any news site | 12:10 |
| MaceG1 | It's like the beginning of 2012 ;) | 12:10 |
| lcuk | its only a volcano | 12:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! jensons button owon best breakthrough in sport, genius. | 12:10 |
| lcuk | http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23ashtag | 12:11 |
| BCMM | i added the rss applet and i can't get rid of it | 12:12 |
| * Noobmonk3y blinks | 12:12 | |
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| BCMM | it moves whenever i try | 12:13 |
| lcuk | nuke it from orbit? | 12:13 |
| lcuk | ive lost my phone | 12:14 |
| BCMM | is there some other way to remov it? | 12:14 |
| BCMM | (desktop widget, rather) | 12:14 |
| Noobmonk3y | which one? :) | 12:14 |
| frals | lcuk: something for you then http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50246 | 12:15 |
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| lcuk | BCMM, try using stylus to click accurately on the x | 12:15 |
| lcuk | or reboot device to shake out whatever cobweb | 12:15 |
| BCMM | lcuk tried that for several minutes | 12:16 |
| BCMM | any click makes it move | 12:16 |
| lcuk | reboot | 12:16 |
| BCMM | even very short ones | 12:16 |
| lcuk | ping liq-n00 | 12:16 |
| BCMM | yeah, i'll do that | 12:16 |
| * lcuk moves to console | 12:16 | |
| nid0 | hey neat, someone's finally done a recovery app? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 12:16 |
| nid0 | frals just linked it | 12:17 |
| frals | Stskeeps http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50246 | 12:17 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, noone picked up on a rescue menu initrd yet | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | meego arm instructions are good for that | 12:18 |
| lcuk | that was neat | 12:18 |
| lcuk | battery was lowlowlow last night when i went to manchester | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | (tell flasher to boot this kernel with this initrd) | 12:18 |
| lcuk | i had radio tx on | 12:18 |
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| lcuk | and its still alive | 12:19 |
| lcuk | left in cold car all night :) | 12:19 |
| lcuk | sometime during night it disabled radio tho | 12:19 |
| haltdef | surely it would just get nicked in manchester | 12:19 |
| haltdef | :< | 12:19 |
| lcuk | haltdef, surely not | 12:20 |
| lcuk | :) | 12:20 |
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| lcuk | didnt reconnect to home wifi tho | 12:20 |
| lcuk | else i couldv pinged it | 12:20 |
| frals | you dont have permanent ssh reverse tunnel up? | 12:21 |
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| lcuk | no frals the amount of times i use 3g is rare | 12:21 |
| lcuk | and i can just vnc into home machine when needed | 12:21 |
| crashanddie | o/ lcuk | 12:21 |
| lcuk | \o\ seb | 12:21 |
| lcuk | /o/ | 12:22 |
| lcuk | \o/ | 12:22 |
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| * nid0 punches both monkeys | 12:25 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | ;) | 12:25 |
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| lcuk | i think noobmonk3y is a pretty cool guy. eh punches ghosties and doesnt afraid of anything... | 12:26 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe tis true ;) | 12:26 |
| noobmonk3y | casper aint got nout on me ;) | 12:26 |
| lcuk | noob 'Zuul' Monk3y | 12:27 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 12:27 |
| * noobmonk3y grumbles | 12:30 | |
| lcuk | jake is driving everyone nuts with his new gun | 12:30 |
| lcuk | BCMM, any luck? | 12:31 |
| BCMM | yeah thanks | 12:31 |
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| * lcuk hates the windows fix but it saves so much time in diagnosis :( | 12:32 | |
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| lcuk | slashdot is broke, slashdot is broke omgomg | 12:37 |
| spectre- | old news | 12:38 |
| spectre- | :p | 12:39 |
| Chiku | all -devel repos is broke | 12:40 |
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| Mece | hey, anyone tested what kind of latency you get with N900 tethering over 3G? | 12:53 |
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| lcuk | not much | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not complaining | 12:54 |
| lcuk | i find 3g great | 12:54 |
| lcuk | 3.5g is even betterer | 12:54 |
| haltdef | internet! | 12:55 |
| haltdef | http://www.ispreview.co.uk/story/2010/04/17/3-and-t-mobile-uk-sign-major-3g-mobile-broadband-network-expansion-deal.html mm | 12:56 |
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| noobmonk3y | has anyone changed the top left icon on the n900 (menu task thingy icon) ? | 12:58 |
| crashanddie | yes | 12:58 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooo.... searched the customise wiki, but there doesnt seem to be any examples of ti? - assuming it is just replacing a file.... | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | it* | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | has anyone setup a place to download examples? :D | 12:59 |
| noobmonk3y | :( | 13:03 |
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| * noobmonk3y thinks it's almost time to get ready for a bbq ;) | 13:14 | |
| frals | todays annoyance: my operator settings are missing from /etc/operater_settings | 13:15 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, you need to go and find them ;) | 13:15 |
| noobmonk3y | how much money have you spent testing mms's by the way? must cost a fortune? :| | 13:15 |
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| nid0 | contracts are fun? | 13:15 |
| frals | i got free mms on my plan | 13:15 |
| frals | :> | 13:15 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo wow! | 13:15 |
| frals | or well, 3000 free mms within the provider | 13:16 |
| nid0 | uh | 13:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | thats cool! | 13:16 |
| nid0 | doesnt yours noobmonk3y? | 13:16 |
| noobmonk3y | lol nid0 no | 13:16 |
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| nid0 | what network are you on..? :s | 13:16 |
| frals | and got a prepaid with the same provider for my dev device so im spamming away ;) | 13:16 |
| noobmonk3y | i have sent 4 now, at about 15p each :P | 13:16 |
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| noobmonk3y | nid0, vodafone | 13:16 |
| nid0 | they must be the only uk network that still charge for mms's | 13:16 |
| frals | to other providers it costs me err 0.69 SEK which is like 0.069€ | 13:16 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:16 |
| nid0 | everyone else just takes them from your sms allowance at a cost of 3 sms's per mms | 13:16 |
| * noobmonk3y is just checking the cost | 13:17 | |
| nid0 | so 1k texts free on contract = 333 mms's free a month | 13:17 |
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| noobmonk3y | £0.306 per message :( | 13:18 |
| nid0 | sucky | 13:18 |
| nid0 | switch to a good provider :D | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | like O2 :P | 13:19 |
| noobmonk3y | lol really, for a couple of mms's? :P | 13:19 |
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| nid0 | o2're great | 13:19 |
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| noobmonk3y | i dont like the signal for 02 down here though | 13:19 |
| MohammadAG | you live on CO2 then? | 13:20 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:20 |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, Morning lol | 13:28 |
| noobmonk3y | just woken up and realised you are on ;) | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | morning noobmonk3y | 13:28 |
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| MohammadAG | lol who was saying the stuff above then | 13:28 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 13:28 |
| noobmonk3y | nid0, there is a hrdware mino rrevision number | 13:30 |
| noobmonk3y | would have thought nokia would update it if making changes? | 13:30 |
| MohammadAG | 2101 | 13:31 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:31 |
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| noobmonk3y | yup, but would assume if they made changes recently a newer version should be seen soon | 13:31 |
| nid0 | noobmonk3y sometimes, not always | 13:32 |
| nid0 | well, they may do now but i've seen hardware revisions of previous phone models that never had the revision number altered | 13:33 |
| nid0 | the guy needs to get the phone and check it to find out, tho :P | 13:33 |
| nid0 | sadly I cant see any changes to the n900 being retrofittable though :P | 13:34 |
| SpeedEvil | you can in principle swap out the CPU | 13:35 |
| SpeedEvil | not an end-user one thoguh | 13:35 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:35 |
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| frals | ah, autoconfiguration seems to eb working \o/ | 13:36 |
| nid0 | replacing the usb and phone connectors with stronger ones isnt exactly doable though :P | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, it should fit under the battery | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y: I wouldn't expect it to be nesceserraly user-visible changes | 13:36 |
| nid0 | unlike the e90 hardware revision where you could just drop the original phone into a nokia care point and theyd put on the revised keyboard and hinges for you in about 20 minutes :p | 13:36 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: Changing the glue, or the glue-up procedure on the port however is | 13:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y: For example - it might be swapping out the front cam for a cheaper one. Or going with a different SoC, or ... | 13:38 |
| SpeedEvil | (where different = different speedgrade or different flash amount) | 13:39 |
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| nid0 | that seems unlikely for a hardware revision of the same model though, usually theyre just tweaks to the manufacturing process to address durability issues | 13:39 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ....456778888890;;.,,lmllmlmjjijyggffssaw3uop;\.,,,lkjjhjdxzzxhttp://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?LH_AvailTo=3&_nkw=high+voltage+relay&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html%3F_nkw%3Dhigh%2Bvoltage%2Brelay%26_arr%3D1&_rdc=1 | 13:40 |
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| frals | is there any good way to add help text to something gtk/hildon? | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: If you can shave off $3 of the price of a phone selling large numbers... | 13:40 |
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| noobmonk3y | ooooo under 12 hours till healthcheck promotion :D | 13:41 |
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| crashanddie | best coaster ever: http://nerdapproved.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/bitchcoaster.jpg | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 13:42 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: bastard being so close to extras! | 13:42 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol frals ;) | 13:42 |
| PhonicUK | hey all | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | hey PhonicUK | 13:42 |
| PhonicUK | hows it going? | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, all it means is i need to get on with a new version ;) | 13:43 |
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| PhonicUK | anyone know why The Mana World has no menu icon? | 13:44 |
| PhonicUK | launches fine from console | 13:44 |
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| noobmonk3y | right off for a bbq alls - cya laters :D :D | 13:45 |
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| Hariainm | hi everyone | 13:47 |
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| crashanddie | I'm tempted to submit a small .deb package to the builder | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | called "Maemo5 PR1.2" | 13:56 |
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| crashanddie | which, when installed, displays goatse | 13:56 |
| crashanddie | and use my stopwatch to time the delay before I'm banned for life from any future summit | 13:57 |
| zash | crashanddie: do it! | 13:57 |
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| mva | hi there! | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | hey mva | 13:58 |
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| crashanddie | LMAO | 13:58 |
| mva | what about kernel-power-* is it better, that kernel-*-maemo ? | 13:58 |
| crashanddie | OK, you're gonna love this one | 13:59 |
| mva | and did -power- has IPv6 support? | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | Photographer takes another photographer friend with him to a photoshoot | 13:59 |
| crashanddie | The guy is looking over his buddy's shoulder, and just as the photographer is taking a picture from behind the female model, at about waist level, he shouts out: "OH WOW DUDE, You're right, that IS SUPER WIDE" | 14:00 |
| crashanddie | The model turns around, furious, and walks out of the photoshoot | 14:00 |
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| frals | lol | 14:02 |
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| tlir | is OS2008 still the best choice for N810 devices or can/should I move to Maemo5 or the MER project? | 14:20 |
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| Stskeeps | os2008 plus community ssu | 14:21 |
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| tlir | ocmmunity ssu? | 14:22 |
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| tlir | Stskeeps: what is community ssu? | 14:23 |
| NuD1t7 | slippery slickers unwanted | 14:23 |
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| crashanddie | tlir: you can't install maemo 5 on n8x0 devices | 14:32 |
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| jacekowski | mhm | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | builder is slowish today | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | normally it took 19 minutes to build chrome | 14:35 |
| jacekowski | now it's doing it for 23 minutes and it's still not finished | 14:35 |
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| tlir | crashanddie: ahh ok | 14:36 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: you're not the only one using builder | 14:38 |
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| mikhas | OMG, you had to wait for 23 minutes? outrageous! | 14:41 |
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| jacekowski | well it's 30 minutes now | 14:42 |
| Noobmonk3y | aghhhhhhhhhhh | 14:42 |
| * Noobmonk3y is pissed off | 14:42 | |
| Noobmonk3y | got bloody clamped.... the ticket slid of the dashboard.... | 14:42 |
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| Noobmonk3y | £120 to release :( | 14:42 |
| jacekowski | tickets in uk come with sticky thing | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | so you stick them to windscreen | 14:43 |
| Noobmonk3y | jacekowski, not ours, residents parking, just like a business card | 14:43 |
| jacekowski | you can always try to write couple letters | 14:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup will do :( | 14:44 |
| jacekowski | they ussualy let go after you write couple letters | 14:44 |
| Noobmonk3y | just dont understand why £120........ parked there for 3 years..... | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | ( other thing is thta you can pay over phone ) | 14:45 |
| jacekowski | and they can check if you are allowed to park without you having to display a ticket | 14:45 |
| Noobmonk3y | not when i have no cash...... | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | that's taking too long | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | over 30 minutes | 14:46 |
| jacekowski | and normally it takes under 20 | 14:46 |
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| Noobmonk3y | yeah yu woulda thought they would check b4 clamping | 14:46 |
| n900-dk | Hmm, why does download of Healthcheck keep failing? | 14:46 |
| Noobmonk3y | error msg? | 14:47 |
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| n900-dk | 'Download of healthcheck failed' when I'm trying to install from HAM | 14:47 |
| jacekowski | 36 minutes | 14:48 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmmm..... MohammadAG, lcuk ? any xterm suggestions? | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | ? | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | oh | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | root | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get update && apt-get install healthcheck | 14:49 |
| frals | whats the version number of pr1.1.1? | 14:49 |
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| frals | 2010.02-? | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | 3.2010.02-8 I think | 14:49 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 14:49 |
| Noobmonk3y | yup | 14:49 |
| frals | ta | 14:49 |
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| slonopotamus | anyone has autoconf knowledge? | 14:51 |
| slonopotamus | i want to declare optional dependency | 14:51 |
| Noobmonk3y | n900-dk, did you see MohammadAG 's instructions? | 14:52 |
| n900-dk | ahh, it looks like it is because it can't resolve downloads.maemo.nokia.com, when on my wifi, but work with 3G | 14:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! thats random! | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | n900-dk, change your dns | 14:53 |
| Noobmonk3y | which v are you downloading n900-dk ? | 14:53 |
| MohammadAG | to either google dns, or openDNS | 14:53 |
| n900-dk | I tried that too, still no luck | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 openDNS | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | 8.8.8.8 google dns | 14:54 |
| n900-dk | I know :) | 14:54 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 14:54 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 14:55 |
| MohammadAG | that smiley freaks me out sometimes | 14:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | n900-dk, version 1.0 will be in downloads tonight :) | 14:55 |
| n900-dk | then version is 1.0.0-0 | 14:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | :D | 14:55 |
| Noobmonk3y | cool :) | 14:55 |
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| Noobmonk3y | someone somewhere has translated an older version of healthcheck to german, russian, polish and chinese! | 14:56 |
| Noobmonk3y | hmmmm did version 1.0 include click updates? loosing track of versions! | 14:57 |
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| n900-dk | english is fine for me | 14:57 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 14:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | i assume dk =dansk? | 14:58 |
| n900-dk | yes | 14:58 |
| Noobmonk3y | :D | 14:58 |
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| * MohammadAG hits the subscribe button on tehkseven's youtube channel | 15:01 | |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, what is your app called? | 15:01 |
| MohammadAG | which one? | 15:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | in testing | 15:01 |
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| frals | hmm | 15:02 |
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| frals | time to get some screens together for ux people to hate on i think | 15:02 |
| n900-dk | It would be nice to see changelog when updating an app i HAM.. | 15:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol! | 15:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | n900-dk, i agree | 15:02 |
| n900-dk | now with healthcheck v1.1.0-2 \o/ - thx Noobmonk3y | 15:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | haha devel version :) | 15:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | think it is safe though :) | 15:04 |
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| n900-dk | it didn't break my phone... yet ;) | 15:04 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 15:04 |
| Gh0sty | its like driving a motorcycle | 15:05 |
| Gh0sty | you have 2 types of drivers | 15:05 |
| Noobmonk3y | hehehe :) lots more goodies though :) | 15:05 |
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| Gh0sty | those who have fallen ... and those who are going to fall :p | 15:05 |
| Gh0sty | same goes for phone owners? :p | 15:05 |
| * n900-dk living on the edge | 15:05 | |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 15:05 |
| * Noobmonk3y is dloading Noor | 15:06 | |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG | sorry had to go for a bit | 15:06 |
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| frals | Noobmonk3y: you need an icon for healthcheck in HAM! | 15:07 |
| MohammadAG | he has one o.O | 15:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals, its gone again? | 15:07 |
| frals | 3,4 MB bloody hell what is this a movie? | 15:07 |
| frals | not showing on my device :+ | 15:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | it keeps doing a vanisihing act | 15:07 |
| frals | sec lemme check on the other one as well | 15:07 |
| n900-dk | Noobmonk3y: it is only in devel | 15:07 |
| n900-dk | I guess | 15:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, you need to link google translate to noor hehe | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 15:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | n900-dk, frals , shows an icon for me. | 15:08 |
| frals | no icon for me | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | app is in english by default Noobmonk3y :) | 15:08 |
| frals | on neither of my phones so 3v1! | 15:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | the quran isnt tho! :) | 15:08 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders if he should add translation by default | 15:09 | |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, your thoughts? | 15:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 15:09 |
| frals | does have one in app listing thou | 15:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | i'm intruiged by it | 15:09 |
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| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, icon went poof | 15:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | ooo update for fmms... | 15:10 |
| Noobmonk3y | meh.... will fix the gay icon 2nite | 15:11 |
| frals | "ui-confirmation_note.w" <- teh wat? | 15:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | still shows on the device tho? | 15:11 |
| frals | oh it was a touchselector, i see | 15:11 |
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| frals | yeah shows when installed | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | "JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel has banned imports of Apple Inc.'s hottest new product, the iPad, citing concerns the powerful gadget consumes too much capacity on wireless networks and could disrupt other devices." | 15:11 |
| MohammadAG | kind of weird imo | 15:12 |
| frals | i read that the other day | 15:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 15:12 |
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| frals | its on some non allowed freq or something like that | 15:12 |
| frals | thats how i understood the other article i read anyway | 15:12 |
| frals | so not capacity as in amount of data but blocking frequencies for others or something like that.. | 15:13 |
| frals | otoh i could be completly wrong, its known to have happend | 15:13 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if it blocks government frequencies | 15:13 | |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, | 15:15 |
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| Noobmonk3y | ? | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | any chance for a will it blend feature in Heathcheck? | 15:15 |
| frals | lol | 15:15 |
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| Noobmonk3y | blend? | 15:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | ie food mixer? | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | It could search the blendtek channel for n900 | 15:16 |
| Noobmonk3y | ohhhh | 15:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | tek7 stuff | 15:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | no lol | 15:17 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qySFp3qnVmM&feature=channel | 15:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | ? or that blending youtube thing | 15:17 |
| MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko | 15:17 |
| Noobmonk3y | could add it for a joke. frals, can we use your loaner? :) | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, beat me to it | 15:18 |
| jacekowski | can anybody test latest chrome update? | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: how | 15:18 |
| * MohammadAG does an apt-get update | 15:18 | |
| jacekowski | repo | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | repo? | 15:18 |
| MohammadAG | love doing those in xchat | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, most prolly extras-devel | 15:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | in xchat? | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | extras-devel | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, yep | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | I have extras-devel enabled, and I saw no chrome last I looked | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | in network? | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | /exec sudo apt-get update | 15:19 |
| MohammadAG | like that | 15:19 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's been there for 10 minutes | 15:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | ahhhhhh! | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:19 |
| Noobmonk3y | i'd get a load, so maybe not | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: clearly I don't check enough | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, chromium, not chrome afaik | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, load? | 15:20 |
| Noobmonk3y | lots of updates | 15:20 |
| MohammadAG | update just refreshes the repo | 15:21 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 15:21 |
| infobot | ~pong | 15:21 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: aha! Downloading. | 15:22 |
| SpeedEvil | oops | 15:22 |
| * SpeedEvil thought net was down | 15:22 | |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: any specific tests? | 15:27 |
| jacekowski | UPPERCASE LETERS | 15:29 |
| jacekowski | does it work correctly and letters are lowercase | 15:29 |
| SpeedEvil | 0. chrome or chromium are not found in xterm | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | output of apt-cache | 15:31 |
| MohammadAG | chromium - Chromium browser | 15:31 |
| SpeedEvil | took ages to respond to 'click to keep google as your search engine' | 15:32 |
| Noobmonk3y | brb bbq! in no signal area | 15:32 |
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| jacekowski | /opti/chromium/chrome | 15:34 |
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| jacekowski | /opt* | 15:34 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: scrollbars to scroll the page don't work well for me | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, install chrometouch extension | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | adds kinetic scrolling (and keeps the scrollbars) | 15:36 |
| SpeedEvil | where is this? | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG | umm | 15:37 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | click the first icon from the right | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | settings | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | click extensions | 15:37 |
| MohammadAG | browse and search | 15:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: I assume you know about the nothing happening when you click the app title thing? | 15:38 |
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| jacekowski | yes | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | but what is supposed to happen | 15:39 |
| Nitial | any hints how to disable screensaver during my application? | 15:39 |
| jacekowski | i mean, all menus are somewhere else | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | does anybody remember name for that hildon fullscreen widget | 15:40 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Pull up the 'menu' menu that you get when you click on that aforementioned 'tools' icon I guess | 15:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | clicking on 'install' - on extension doesn't do anything | 15:41 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 15:41 |
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| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it should download and install | 15:41 |
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| SpeedEvil | oh - fair enough | 15:42 |
| SpeedEvil | UI fail - installed without notice | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | that's google's fault ;) | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | just reload another tab to activate it | 15:43 |
| SpeedEvil | yes - as I've not used chrome, I'm sticking with blaming jacekowski for everything. | 15:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | jacekowski, chromium is held back by apt-get | 15:44 |
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| jacekowski | you might have to remove libxss if you had it installed | 15:45 |
| MohammadAG | it wasn't installed | 15:45 |
| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: 'awesomebar' - or whatever it's called - is similarly broken to firefox - the items are not readable | 15:47 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Is there a way of fullscreening it? | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | well, yes | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | but you can't go back | 15:57 |
| SpeedEvil | camkeyd? | 15:57 |
| jacekowski | nah, i'm planning to do it like it's done in microb | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | -rfull doesn't seem to be system wide | 15:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | odd | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | first video I tried on youtube/html5 (I hate iceland) worked | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | none of the rest do | 15:59 |
| jacekowski | flash probably crashed | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | html5 | 16:01 |
| SpeedEvil | +flashblock | 16:01 |
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| SpeedEvil | flash seems to crash a lot (more) | 16:01 |
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| Appiah | Bluetooth-dun dont seam to wanna work if FM Transmitter is on. | 16:08 |
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| Appiah | Is that a bug? or just not possible? | 16:08 |
| Appiah | Wonder if I should bugreport for it to be fixed or bugreport beacuse there's a warning missing | 16:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | It should in principle work | 16:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | the FM and bluetooth can work at the same time | 16:11 |
| SpeedEvil | them not is a bug | 16:11 |
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| MohammadAG | tmo down? | 16:17 |
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| wazd | hello people | 16:31 |
| n900-dk | hello wazd | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | lo wazd | 16:31 |
| wazd | I'm working on a matrix animation for live wallpapers :) | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 16:32 |
| wazd | that's gonna be awesome I hope :) | 16:32 |
| RST38h | ehlo wazd, ukki | 16:32 |
| ukki | hey RST38h | 16:32 |
| N900evil_ | wazd: xterm set to the right font | 16:32 |
| n900-dk | isn't it going to be anoying to have all that flickering on the wallpaper? | 16:32 |
| wazd | n900-dk: you'll see :) | 16:33 |
| * n900-dk likes his wallpaper to be quiet | 16:33 | |
| wazd | n900-dk: nice live wallpapoer for you then :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey4HWT7UkMs | 16:34 |
| n900-dk | heh, prefer a black screen instead | 16:35 |
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| frals | anyone tried submitting an app to ovi store for maemo5? do you still need to pay up and have insurances and shit? | 16:44 |
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| corecode_ | i have a semi-live wallpaper | 16:58 |
| crashanddie | frals: most probably, yes | 16:58 |
| corecode_ | displaying the panorama picture if my city | 16:58 |
| corecode_ | how do you do live wallpapers? | 16:58 |
| corecode_ | my problem is that if i update the picture and the phone is in portrait mode, the background will be chopped off | 16:59 |
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| crashanddie | oh ffs, there's the self-promoting asshole again | 17:01 |
| corecode_ | me? | 17:03 |
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| n900-dk | Why is it that a 'normal' phone doesn't have to change APN to send/receive MMS? | 17:05 |
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| Termana | n900-dk: It does. You (normally) have two seperate APNs for Data and MMS. | 17:06 |
| n900-dk | so the magic is just hidding for me? | 17:06 |
| Termana | Rephrase? | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | corecode_: nope, not you, some guy on tmo | 17:07 |
| n900-dk | I mean - I dont see it like I do with fMMS | 17:07 |
| crashanddie | corecode_: unless you're Lord Raiden, obviously | 17:07 |
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| Termana | n900-dk: I don't own an n900 and don't know the state of MMS. However a "normal" phone will store both a data and MMS APN. Maybe because fMMS has no core integration into the OS, it makes you change the data APN and reads that? I don't know | 17:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | is this field valid? XB-Maemo-Display-Name | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | no, linux cant handle two ip namespaces, so mms is difficult | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | newer kernels can | 17:10 |
| n900-dk | Termana: I guess you are right | 17:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | Build a newer kernel from scratch with N900 support :P | 17:10 |
| corecode_ | undervolting seems to work for me, but not with 800MHz | 17:10 |
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| Termana | This is basically whats causing your problem: http://bit.ly/c65fgR | 17:11 |
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| corecode_ | the swing is not swinging? | 17:14 |
| n900-dk | heh, guess we cant blame everything on the ashclouds then | 17:14 |
| * MohammadAG_ looks at what tmo has been reduced to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50165 | 17:15 | |
| Termana | corecode_: Theres a lot more than just the swing not swinging my friend :P | 17:15 |
| corecode_ | no coffee? | 17:16 |
| Termana | corecode_: I'm pretty sure you get what the picture means :P | 17:17 |
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| Termana | corecode_: If not, feel free to take a look at this informative video on the subject - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWDwLnQAjs | 17:18 |
| n900-dk | scary stuff.. | 17:19 |
| carloscesa | @all Folks, does anybody know how to take a screenshot on N900? | 17:19 |
| frals | ctrl shift p | 17:20 |
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| frals | lol MohammadAG | 17:21 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, any idea if Maemo-Display-Name: supports spaces? | 17:23 |
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| frals | it should i think | 17:24 |
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| frals | XB-Maemo-Display-Name btw, isnt it? | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | does it need quotes? ("") | 17:24 |
| frals | no clue | 17:24 |
| frals | find an app in app manager that have spaces and fetch the deb and extract the control file? :D | 17:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | or just apt-cache show it :P | 17:26 |
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| MohammadAG_ | nope, no quotes | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | why didn't I think of that | 17:27 |
| MohammadAG_ | thanks frals :) | 17:27 |
| frals | apt-cache is probably easier yes :) | 17:27 |
| frals | np :) | 17:27 |
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| zarex | http://www.screwyouemily.in/?id=k35n9j1rlxrpfsqoop7byns4kc01b2 | 17:31 |
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| carloscesa | frals, CTRL+SHIFT+P works! thanks! | 17:34 |
| MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, is it normal for a package that has just been uploaded/started to show Warning: This package does not have a proper description | 17:36 |
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| frals | it does that until its been imported in the repos afaik | 17:37 |
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| MohammadAG_ | frals, thanks again, thought I f'd up :) | 17:38 |
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| MohammadAG | lame quit msg, still haven't changed it :/ | 17:39 |
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| mtnbkr | carloscesa: there is also a neat little screenshot app that loads into the dock It's called "Load Applet" and it also shows CPU and memory usage | 17:41 |
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| NuD1t7 | hahaha took a screenshot of desktop with sms-arrived-notice ... set it to background and give it back to gf ... ( her phone ) ... she taps like crazy on the background and starts to think the touchscreen is dead :P | 17:47 |
| RST38h | Did she damage/scratch here touchscreen in the process? | 17:47 |
| mtnbkr | NuD1t7: hah just make sure the SMS that arrived was not from your "other" gf ;) | 17:47 |
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| NuD1t7 | RST38h no :P | 17:48 |
| NuD1t7 | mtnbkr no it was her mum | 17:48 |
| RST38h | then it does not count, no lasting effects =) | 17:48 |
| NuD1t7 | damnit | 17:48 |
| RST38h | hohoho, looks like XFade finally fixed the repos | 17:49 |
| mtnbkr | NuD1t7: reminds me of a joke some co-workers played on one of the bosses (a really smart guy) They set his Windows backgroud to a BSOD. lol and fun was had by all :) | 17:49 |
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| frals | taking screen, setting as bg then hiding icons and taskbar is pretty funny to do at LANs | 17:53 |
| NuD1t7 | hahah I once did to my boss a small joke but it blew out to bee big by mistake : a made a shortcut on his laptop with the IE icon and command to give the windowmessage "Stupid user detected! Refuse to work with idiots, I'll go sleep." and then there was the shutdown-command .... funny and not that big deal ... unless my boss hitted the shortcut in a big meeting and laptop connected to videoscreen | 17:53 |
| NuD1t7 | sorry my english sucks ... | 17:53 |
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| pupnik | nice | 17:54 |
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| n900-dk | NuD1t7: heh, did you get fired? | 17:54 |
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| lcuk | i added a big red button to the testing version of the app, didnt tell any of hte team what it was, but displayed a confirmation dialog and everything and had a caption underneath it telling them not to press | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | in the later reports it was the most pushed button on that round | 17:56 |
| pupnik | :) | 17:57 |
| lcuk | hey pupnik | 17:58 |
| frals | you know you wouldve pushed it as well lcuk ;) | 17:58 |
| lcuk | frals, not at all | 17:58 |
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| lcuk | kids party was tiring | 18:00 |
| pupnik | no volume control on em eh? | 18:01 |
| frals | 6 files changed, 323 insertions(+), 144 deletions(-) | 18:02 |
| frals | \o/ | 18:02 |
| RST38h | Half the messaging protocols are down again | 18:02 |
| RST38h | Weird crap | 18:02 |
| * RST38h puts on the robe and excorsizes the daemons | 18:02 | |
| frals | is there any decent scp gui around? | 18:02 |
| * lcuk gives RST38h his spare wizard hat | 18:03 | |
| RST38h | Midnight Commander? | 18:03 |
| lcuk | frals, winscp | 18:03 |
| lcuk | :D | 18:03 |
| lcuk | which os are you wanting it from | 18:03 |
| frals | lcuck: for device | 18:03 |
| frals | RST38h: prereably touchfriendly ;) | 18:04 |
| RST38h | it is touch friendly | 18:04 |
| frals | bad latency on ssh atm >< | 18:04 |
| RST38h | Midnight Commander works very well with xterm mouse support, and Maemo xterm has that | 18:04 |
| lcuk | scp IS ssh ? | 18:05 |
| RST38h | Ok, IRC plugin still not fixed =( | 18:05 |
| lcuk | isnt it | 18:05 |
| frals | lcuk: afaiu more or less | 18:05 |
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| lcuk | i might go n laze in the garden and make some code notes | 18:07 |
| carloscesa | mtnbkr, ok, I'm installing the Load Applet app | 18:08 |
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| n900-dk | Is it possible to turn this off, when subscribing to threads at tmo: "There may also be other replies, but you will not receive any more notifications until you visit the forum again"? | 18:14 |
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| mtnbkr | carloscesa: let me know if you can get the "record movie" option to work... Mine records black screen only. I think there was/is a bug for that but I have not had time to go back and look that up again. | 18:15 |
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| jacekowski | besides, somebody said something about animated wallpapers | 18:21 |
| jacekowski | does anybody have any more details on that? | 18:22 |
| kynky | uses battery | 18:22 |
| jacekowski | shouldn't | 18:23 |
| jacekowski | but i need some links | 18:23 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, anything running cpu will | 18:23 |
| lcuk | but yes live background support is there | 18:23 |
| frals | enormous potential for cool stuff! | 18:23 |
| lcuk | tmo has a thread | 18:23 |
| cato` | jacekowski: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ | 18:23 |
| mtnbkr | jacekowski: http://bit.ly/8YnuSv | 18:23 |
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| N900evil_ | nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn | 18:24 |
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| N900evil_ | oops | 18:24 |
| mtnbkr | jacekowski: I got that in my twitter feed from mwkn the other day. I have to say I am not too impressed with the video though | 18:24 |
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| jacekowski | hmm | 18:25 |
| mtnbkr | jacekowski: but only because I have seen "live wallpaper" on Nexus One and that looked really cool, and VERY smooth | 18:26 |
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| jacekowski | well, it's still early phase | 18:26 |
| jacekowski | lot of room for improvments | 18:26 |
| lcuk | mtnbkr, baseline app | 18:26 |
| lcuk | different methods for things will appear | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | same for everything else, multiple ways to skin a cat | 18:27 |
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| mtnbkr | lcuk: yeah, I hear that... Not trying to disparage any development or any devs. | 18:28 |
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| jacekowski | it's hildon-desktop that's dealing with wallpapers in maemo? | 18:28 |
| * lcuk thinks vlad and wazds streetviews will be cool | 18:28 | |
| lcuk | especially when they add real weather i nit | 18:28 |
| * slonopotamus pokes X-Fade | 18:29 | |
| slonopotamus | X-Fade: reupload for autocleaned version doesn't work: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9902 | 18:31 |
| povbot | Bug 9902: Autocleaner purged _all_ versions of sflphone-client-gnome from extras-devel | 18:31 |
| slonopotamus | saying 'there's a newer version' when repo has _none_ is kinda... broken. | 18:33 |
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| jacekowski | mtnbkr: cpu in n900 is more than enough to handle something like that | 18:33 |
| tmr1 | can anybody check whats my n800 available from outside? tmr.dyndns.org | 18:34 |
| tmr1 | * tmr.dyndns.org/live | 18:35 |
| RST38h | tmr: of course not | 18:35 |
| wazd | http://i023.radikal.ru/1004/93/64e10b626800.png <- matrix LW in progress :) | 18:36 |
| Appiah | tmr1: it works | 18:36 |
| tmr1 | sad | 18:36 |
| RST38h | tmr: Your record is pointing to 192.168.0.105 which is your local address | 18:36 |
| RST38h | Oh, wait, it resolved somehow =) | 18:36 |
| korhojoa | tmr1: there is still something that points to 192.168.0.105 | 18:36 |
| RST38h | wazd: ...and the same in cyrillics ;) | 18:36 |
| wazd | RST38h: heard bout Live Wallpapers? :) | 18:37 |
| RST38h | wazd: Yea, but I am not quite amused about them - too much power drain =( | 18:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: well, they work only when you're looking at them :) | 18:37 |
| wazd | RST38h: ofcourse they'll drain a bit more than jpg file :D | 18:38 |
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| wazd | RST38h: I'm working on the matrix "text rain" animation for them :) | 18:39 |
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| jacekowski | warp10: i was thinking about same thing | 18:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: is it a bunch of jpegs? | 18:39 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope, ofcourse not, am I mad? :D | 18:39 |
| n900-dk | tmr1: What do you want to know from the status2k page? | 18:39 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have been thinking of implementing the eSheep on top of that | 18:40 |
| wazd | RST38h: a bit like flash animation, keyframes and stuff | 18:40 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:40 |
| tmr1 | n900-dk, nothing, just demo | 18:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep | 18:40 |
| RST38h | wazd: any inspiration? =) | 18:41 |
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| tmr1 | n900-dk: n800 running debian apache mysql php, demo | 18:41 |
| wazd | RST38h: oh, I've used it long ago :D | 18:41 |
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| wazd | RST38h: pretty cute :) | 18:41 |
| n900-dk | tmr1: nice :) | 18:42 |
| Trizt | sad that -rootwin option on mplayer don't work on the n900, that would make the coolest animated backgrounds | 18:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Get the original program and install it on Windows | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | i'm not sure if using opengl for these live wallpapers is good idea | 18:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: It is freaking hilarious | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | in terms of power consumption | 18:42 |
| wazd | RST38h: not sure that original will run under w7 :) | 18:42 |
| RST38h | wazd: Try, it won't kill you. A moment. | 18:42 |
| jacekowski | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESheep | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | i like that idea as well | 18:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: http://www.brothersoft.com/scmpoo-download-71745.html | 18:43 |
| wazd | RST38h: yeah, especially w7 x64 :) | 18:43 |
| jacekowski | but after i make chrome usable i'll make matrix wallpaper | 18:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Or here: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/download/sheepy | 18:43 |
| RST38h | wazd: Urgh. May actually run. | 18:44 |
| javispedro | moo RST38h | 18:44 |
| javispedro | and everybody :) | 18:44 |
| jacekowski | 14:22 [freenode] SpeedEvil [~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil] requested CTCP PING from jacekowski: 1271506956 | 18:44 |
| wazd | RST38h: nope, they all want 32 bit | 18:44 |
| wazd | javispedro: heya | 18:44 |
| wazd | javispedro: http://i023.radikal.ru/1004/93/64e10b626800.png | 18:44 |
| RST38h | wazd: A kinda suspect that scmpoo is actually 32bit now | 18:45 |
| RST38h | wazd: check them | 18:45 |
| jacekowski | SpeedEvil: what do you need? | 18:45 |
| javispedro | wazd: hehe, as live wallpaper? | 18:45 |
| wazd | javispedro: yep | 18:45 |
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| jacekowski | 1st somebody would have to make it work nicely | 18:46 |
| * javispedro blends the resulting iPhone into iPhone gas and releases it into the atmosphere, resulting in more canceled flights | 18:46 | |
| RST38h | Is that poisonous? | 18:46 |
| korhojoa | "iphone dust, don't breathe this!" | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | no | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | it's | 18:47 |
| korhojoa | DELISHUS | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | iSmoke, don't breathe this | 18:47 |
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| korhojoa | oh. damn. | 18:47 |
| jacekowski | you failed | 18:47 |
| korhojoa | eh. haven't seen those that many times | 18:47 |
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| korhojoa | what did he say when he blended the ipad? | 18:48 |
| javispedro | same iirc | 18:48 |
| korhojoa | what was funny though was that the display kept working for quite a long time after he started bashing it to bits | 18:48 |
| jacekowski | You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you. | 18:48 |
| korhojoa | only after that he bent it to shit did it stop working | 18:48 |
| javispedro | korhojoa: the touch screen went crazy though | 18:48 |
| korhojoa | yeah | 18:48 |
| korhojoa | I lol'd. | 18:48 |
| jacekowski | korhojoa: well, there is not a lot of elektronics into it | 18:49 |
| jacekowski | korhojoa: electronics* | 18:49 |
| javispedro | just explosive pletibonium | 18:49 |
| korhojoa | appelonium | 18:49 |
| korhojoa | it only exists in the RDF | 18:49 |
| javispedro | lol. | 18:51 |
| javispedro | meego.com has been invaded by shoemaker spam | 18:51 |
| javispedro | http://meego.com/community/events/2010/linux-foundation-collaboration-summit see the comments | 18:52 |
| korhojoa | "cheep Ugg bOATS!1" | 18:52 |
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| javispedro | "Thank you for the info and for the invitation. I was almost barefoot when I read this upcoming events of yours!!" | 18:53 |
| korhojoa | We need more colour. | 18:54 |
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| Xisdibik | what is this colour you speak of korhojoa | 18:56 |
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| jacekowski | colour is used only in UK? | 18:58 |
| jacekowski | or there are any other countries that use colour? | 18:59 |
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| lcuk | 3.5gb over wifi | 19:05 |
| lcuk | gulp | 19:05 |
| javispedro | over 3G -- end of the world. | 19:05 |
| jacekowski | 15g over 3g | 19:06 |
| jacekowski | in a week | 19:06 |
| lcuk | i just need to backup my /home/user fully :) | 19:06 |
| lcuk | mmm right click properties gave 3.5gb | 19:06 |
| lcuk | now the copy dialog says 10g | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | i wonder: can i fiddle with the mounting for usb support to give rootfs access so i can copy faster under linux | 19:09 |
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| SpeedEvil | jacekowski: My network connection I though had fallen over, so I pinged you to confirm it. It seems it had not. | 19:13 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: 'colour' is everywhere except USA | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | including Canada I think | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | basically, USAians like to misspell it so much they made it an official typo | 19:14 |
| luke-jr | :p | 19:14 |
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| b0unc3 | hey guys, is there any way to get the powerkey press signal ? | 19:24 |
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| tmr1 | b0unc3: cat /dev/input/event2 | 19:28 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: re overclocking... what about just briefly spiking to higher mhz when, for e.g. emulation is slowed by some system process. might be an effective trick to reduce jittery/missed frames | 19:30 |
| javispedro | changing freq takes cycles | 19:30 |
| javispedro | unless you can somehow predict when it's going to jitter... | 19:30 |
| pupnik | ah so it cannot be so finegrained | 19:30 |
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| pupnik | usually if something slows down it hits for a few hundreds of m sec | 19:31 |
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| javispedro | ah | 19:32 |
| javispedro | well when it jitters here it's usually modest being launch and checking mail | 19:32 |
| javispedro | which is more of an io thing than cpu | 19:32 |
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| b0unc3 | tmr1, it doesn't work | 19:35 |
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| pupnik | nobody have a sdk for n900 yet? | 19:38 |
| MohammadAG_ | err | 19:39 |
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| pupnik | i thought lcuk would by now :) | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | most developers have an sdk | 19:39 |
| javispedro | for on-device dev | 19:39 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh | 19:39 |
| tmr1 | b0unc3: n8x0? | 19:39 |
| javispedro | pupnik: theoretically, "cloning" (like in the older days) the system to an sd card, adding sdk and tools repo to it should work. | 19:40 |
| javispedro | then chroot. | 19:40 |
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| Nils^ | hi, anyone in here who develops apps for maemo5 (n900) with Archlinux? | 19:41 |
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| b0unc3 | tmr1, N900 | 19:41 |
| MohammadAG_ | javispedro, or easy debian | 19:41 |
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| javispedro | MohammadAG: you'd have to uninstall debian and install maemo inside the chroot. not funny... | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | huh | 19:42 |
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| pupnik | javispedro: maybe the best way to share that would be a wiki containing script(s) | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | javispedro, just install the SDK like you would on a PC | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG_ | inside easy debian | 19:42 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: the SDK requires x86 | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | actually, on second thought, that would mean double chroots | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG_ | javispedro, it can be force installed | 19:43 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: there's a reason for that requeriment. binaries are x86. | 19:43 |
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| MohammadAG_ | not on the armel target | 19:43 |
| javispedro | yes | 19:43 |
| javispedro | compilers, debian tools, etc. | 19:44 |
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| javispedro | the SDK is much more than a chroot -- so when you are under a real armel platform, it's a bit of a waste of time trying to install the desktop SDK -- either get the rootstraps only, or clone the system to bootstrap it. | 19:45 |
| BluesLee | do you know whic package provides pngenc? | 19:45 |
| RST38h | MohammadAG: It is a mix of armel and x86 binaries afaik | 19:46 |
| RST38h | If you are using the "host tools" option, it is only the x86 binaries | 19:46 |
| RST38h | (and in fact, "host tools" option covers most real life scenarios) | 19:47 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | remembered the symlinks in /scratchbox | 19:47 |
| javispedro | RST38h: this reminds me, did you try the stuff I sent you on sb2? >:) | 19:47 |
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| MohammadAG | got it, SDK won't install that easily :) | 19:47 |
| PhonicUK | i wish the SDK wasn't such a pain in the ass to use :\ | 19:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Nope. I am afraid to upgrade sb2 really | 19:48 |
| javispedro | ah, ok. | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | yes, can understand. | 19:48 |
| RST38h | javispedro: And have not done any Maemo work in weeks (just got back to improving some maemo code yesterday) | 19:49 |
| javispedro | I see they're chastising you already for that in tmo. I wonder when they'll start chastising me now that I've not touched drnok for weeks :P | 19:49 |
| RST38h | javispedro: On the positive side, EMULib-based internal config menus are all touch/mouse sensitive now | 19:49 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Well, some shmuck posted a condescending complaint to the EMUL8 group a few days ago (along the "work harder and be my hero" lines), I gave him the standard answer (you can guess which one) | 19:50 |
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| javispedro | yeah, he quoted it. | 19:51 |
| RST38h | javispedro: But, really, I suspect we are both off the hook now, as they have moved to PSP emus. It is always the latest hw for these guys, no matter how shitty its emulation runs | 19:51 |
| pupnik | "you can't improve perfection" | 19:52 |
| pupnik | soo true RST38h | 19:52 |
| RST38h | pupnik: naah, two words shorter. | 19:52 |
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| pupnik | heheh | 19:52 |
| * GAN900 needs to braindump somewhere before he forgets everything. | 19:53 | |
| javispedro | here! | 19:53 |
| * RST38h also made unused screen corners fast-forward the emulation now | 19:53 | |
| GAN900 | javispedro, OK. | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | javispedro sucks for not coming. | 19:53 |
| javispedro | cat > /dev/null <<<EOF | 19:53 |
| GAN900 | :P | 19:53 |
| RST38h | i.e. stuff like START/SELECT, when not used by the emulated platform, does fast-forward | 19:53 |
| javispedro | ;) | 19:53 |
| Summeli | I should also get the N900, to test my Qt emulation UIs with | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: irc is a good place to braindump, logged and all | 19:55 |
| PhonicUK | anyone here got Qt Creator 2.0 alpha to play nice with their N900? | 19:55 |
| lcuk | RST38h, with some sort of ux indicator? | 19:55 |
| Summeli | the gpsp is running pretty well even on symbian at the moment | 19:55 |
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| * lcuk dislikes random ux stuff that leaves you randomly grasping and touching things | 19:56 | |
| GAN900 | Somebody want to start astroturfing for social news on MeeGo.com? | 19:56 |
| javispedro | GAN900: tbh yes, I hope to cover it by watching all the avail video :) | 19:56 |
| RST38h | lcuk: well they are labelled FFWD now | 19:56 |
| RST38h | GAN: are there any social meego news? | 19:57 |
| lcuk | RST38h, cool | 19:57 |
| GAN900 | RST38h, i.e., Planet + rating from maemo.org | 19:57 |
| lcuk | whatever they are as long as they are ui elements that you dont scratch at | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: so after talking to people, how screwed are we regarding meego and openness? :P | 19:58 |
| RST38h | GAN: Planet would be nice | 19:58 |
| RST38h | GAN: I kinda doubt ratings make sense yet | 19:58 |
| * GAN900 needs to do a survey of other bug tracker URLs for ammo for the bugs/bugzilla thing. | 19:58 | |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, honestly? | 19:58 |
| javispedro | so screwed we might need to buy Palm to get some more openness! | 19:58 |
| * RST38h really hopes Palm finally dies this time | 19:58 | |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, it feels a lot like Maemo has felt for 5 years. :/ | 19:58 |
| GAN900 | "Real soon now" | 19:59 |
| RST38h | With their chief sw honcho gone, I may just get my wish... | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | lbt, ping! | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: lovely | 19:59 |
| RST38h | Maybe Samsung buys Palm and they both die in the embrace of death? | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, except with more talk about how open the project is. . . . | 19:59 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: the difference is, for it to be a success with more than just intel and nokia they /have/ to open it | 19:59 |
| RST38h | GAN: Problem is, talk is cheap | 19:59 |
| javispedro | RST38h: much like what happened when access bought psrc =) | 19:59 |
| Robot101 | for the linux foundation's involvement to be credible and it to be a neutral project | 20:00 |
| javispedro | access was a prosperous browser maker back then (remember netfront?) :) | 20:00 |
| RST38h | GAN: On the other hand, I fully believe (as a private person) that Intel does not have any interest withholding any of Meego sources | 20:00 |
| pupnik | i would like to see samsung hook up with "us" more | 20:00 |
| RST38h | GAN: Mainly because Intel is a hw company, for them Meego is a tool to sell more Atoms | 20:00 |
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| lbt | hey GAN900 | 20:01 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Yea, I suffered that one | 20:01 |
| GAN900 | The ConMan, oFono, BlueZ talk was interesting | 20:01 |
| SpeedEvil | s/ibmpc/phones/ s/dos/meego/ | 20:01 |
| Robot101 | ofono is gpl, you can't /have/ a closed cellular plugin :) | 20:02 |
| RST38h | pupnik: you can just as well hook up with Martians. Samsung is completely different culture. | 20:02 |
| GAN900 | grar | 20:02 |
| * GAN900 dropped at "Maybe Samsung buys Palm ..." | 20:02 | |
| Robot101 | and ofono already works on N9pp | 20:02 |
| GAN900 | The ConMan, oFono, BlueZ talk was interesting | 20:02 |
| ToJa92 | Does anyone know if there are any LAMP packages available? Or a guide to install apache, mysql, php and so on manually? | 20:02 |
| Robot101 | lolfntypo | 20:02 |
| ToJa92 | Also a decent notepad with PHP highlighting would be great | 20:03 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, you getting a flight? | 20:03 |
| Veggen | Intel have a history of providing good open specs and drivers. | 20:03 |
| Veggen | intel chipsets have been quite well supported in Linux. | 20:03 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: is tomorrow but if it doesn't go, I've got one booked to montreal instead | 20:03 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: we've got an office there and the timezone works better for me | 20:04 |
| * n900-dk guess someone should make assproof planes.. | 20:04 | |
| GAN900 | Robot101, ah | 20:04 |
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| pupnik | i just figured that typo out | 20:04 |
| Robot101 | gotta get the hotel to do a bunch of laundry for me though :) | 20:04 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, lbt wont be happy about the arch answer. | 20:04 |
| lcuk | plenty of flights from america to iceland | 20:05 |
| javispedro | pupnik: the n9pp is the n900+1, clearly ;) | 20:05 |
| Veggen | lcuk: ...but not further? | 20:05 |
| lcuk | not on your nelly | 20:05 |
| Veggen | ash has been blowing eastwards from Iceland, yes. | 20:05 |
| lbt | GAN900: what arch answer? | 20:05 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: yeah but think about, iceland will be the last place you'll be able to fly to europe from :P | 20:05 |
| lcuk | indeed rob | 20:06 |
| pupnik | javispedro: "assproof planes" is not easy to parse | 20:06 |
| lcuk | but you can swim at least :D | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | lbt, wont be open until 1.2, apparently | 20:06 |
| lbt | the OBS ? | 20:06 |
| javispedro | pupnik: ah, _that_ typo :( | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | lbt, workgroup at the November Summit seems to be the opening point. | 20:06 |
| GAN900 | lbt, arch mailing list | 20:06 |
| n900-dk | woops.. s/assproof/ashproof :D | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | That Imad mentioned being open. | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | lbt, which isn't anything of the sort, apparently. | 20:07 |
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| lbt | heh | 20:07 |
| lcuk | what if someone set up a public obs before | 20:07 |
| lcuk | using the source thats there now | 20:07 |
| GAN900 | lbt, but, Arjan said any questions should go to MeeGo-dev and they'd be more than happy to explain any descisions. | 20:08 |
| lcuk | and started using it | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | True open modem would be so nice. For example, being able to tweak actual 3g/2g switching points | 20:08 |
| lbt | GAN900: I'm not 100% sure - are we talking OBS or arch mailing list? | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | never happen of course | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | lbt, public OBS was more of a "dunno" | 20:08 |
| SpeedEvil | too much bad shit possible | 20:08 |
| lbt | OK. | 20:08 |
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| GAN900 | lbt, arch mailing list. | 20:08 |
| GAN900 | lbt, thus, "arch ... arch ... arch" :P | 20:08 |
| dneary | Stuck in SFO until the middle of next week, apparently | 20:09 |
| lbt | for me, that's not so important - more a Stskeeps thing | 20:09 |
| lbt | :) | 20:09 |
| GAN900 | dneary, lucky you! | 20:09 |
| dneary | GAN900, You made it home? | 20:09 |
| Robot101 | dneary: :( | 20:09 |
| lbt | lcuk: I was hoping to meet tero on tuesday to discuss | 20:09 |
| GAN900 | dneary, I'm doing touristy things with my dad until Monday. | 20:09 |
| lbt | will have to hold back now | 20:09 |
| dneary | Robot101, How bout you? You managed to get out? | 20:09 |
| lcuk | lbt still meet him | 20:09 |
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| GAN900 | dneary, want to join us for a Segway tour in SF Sunday? ;) | 20:09 |
| Robot101 | dneary: my flight is tomorrow, but... I booked one to montreal | 20:09 |
| lbt | we can irc/jabber ... but it's not quite the same | 20:10 |
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| dneary | GAN900, Maybe... | 20:10 |
| Robot101 | dneary: don't hold out much hope | 20:10 |
| dneary | Need to get flights rebooked first | 20:10 |
| lcuk | http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/15/world/europe/airport-closings-graphic.html | 20:10 |
| dneary | Robot101, My wife just told me that the airport closure has been extended to Monday 14h at earliest | 20:10 |
| GAN900 | dneary, I've got a block of time to kill on Monday morning before my flight at 14:00, so we can do something then if you're still stuck. | 20:10 |
| dneary | (reported on French lunchtime news a few hours ago) | 20:10 |
| n900-dk | and it sounds like the vulcano is still very active | 20:10 |
| lbt | lcuk: that seems out of date | 20:11 |
| Robot101 | dneary: it varies depending on airport, the uk ones are reporting shorter closures | 20:11 |
| GAN900 | Yeesh, 11 software updates. | 20:11 |
| lbt | All BA flights cancelled tomorrow | 20:11 |
| lcuk | UPDATED April 17, 6:36 AM ET | 20:11 |
| dneary | GAN900, I am going down to Stanford today - hopefully I'll run into jrb from Red Hat too - but I'd like to come back up to the city on Sunday - depends if the airline takes a hotel room or not for me | 20:11 |
| Robot101 | n900-dk: the ash is apparently not being thrown so high now | 20:12 |
| Robot101 | n900-dk: so it's not getting worse | 20:12 |
| nid0 | uk airports are still closed till tomorrow | 20:12 |
| Robot101 | its just the cloud that's there that's a problem | 20:12 |
| nid0 | at the moment, its 7am | 20:12 |
| dneary | Robot101, Why would UK airports (closer to Iceland) open before French ones? | 20:12 |
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| lbt | dneary: the french are wusses | 20:12 |
| lcuk | dneary, dispersal patterns | 20:12 |
| n900-dk | Robot101: the news here just said, that it is still the same and not getting better | 20:13 |
| Robot101 | dneary: its not new ash, it's the cloud that's there and moving south/east | 20:13 |
| pupnik | i do not see a cloud here | 20:13 |
| javispedro | well, come to madrid >:) | 20:13 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, you can't | 20:13 |
| javispedro | (cause from what I gather some bcn flights have already been canceled) | 20:13 |
| lcuk | mmmmmm bcn | 20:13 |
| Robot101 | n900-dk: directly contradicts article I just read on the guardian, that says ash is being thrown to 3 miles not 8 so isn't contributing to the cloud currently | 20:14 |
| pupnik | if visibility is clear, i do not see why ban flights here | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It's quite startling on the ground - http://www.mauve.plus.com/ash.jpg | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: it's not a visibility thing. | 20:14 |
| nid0 | pupnik - visibility has nothing to do with it | 20:14 |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: it's a sandblasting engines with unknown results thing | 20:14 |
| nid0 | the ash is like 7 miles up, and its just dust, you cant see it | 20:14 |
| lcuk | pupnik, because flying at 400mph through a cloud of dust and small stones has this kind of cumulative effect | 20:14 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, ash is still there. | 20:14 |
| n900-dk | Robot101: it is also new ash, there is still a lot of ash comming out | 20:14 |
| nid0 | what it does do is get sucked into engines, turn into glass, and fuck them up | 20:14 |
| lcuk | think of trusting your desktop computer fan to fly you over an ocean | 20:14 |
| n900-dk | maybe the wind will change, some day.. | 20:15 |
| pupnik | if there isnt enough to be visible, not enough to damage engine, imo | 20:15 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, you are looking for fine particles 20thousand foot in the air | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | you should see the finnish f17s then | 20:16 |
| lcuk | sure its not enough to block out the sun where you are | 20:16 |
| nid0 | ah how stupid of us, every air regulatory agency in europe knows worse than you | 20:16 |
| nid0 | its so obvious! | 20:16 |
| * SpeedEvil places a small quantity of anthrax in pupniks room. | 20:16 | |
| javispedro | don't worry! since a vulcano covering europe in ash is the first part of 2012, we're gonna all die before you can get back to europe. | 20:16 |
| javispedro | and they've told me that travel tickets are cheap in the afterlife | 20:17 |
| pupnik | i dont see the airlines saying "we dont want to fly" | 20:17 |
| Robot101 | javispedro: I actually had a dream about a tidal wave :( | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | yes, we do :P | 20:17 |
| javispedro | aha, ideal place for the meego summit: iceland! | 20:17 |
| pupnik | nid0: and yes, regulatory agencies do amazingly stupid things all the time | 20:18 |
| b-man | javispedro: rofl | 20:18 |
| dneary | Robot101, I'm going down to Palo Alto today, if you're still here Sunday give me a ring? | 20:18 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, how many tons of air does a turbofan engine suck through it over 2,000 miles? | 20:18 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: about 100 | 20:19 |
| dneary | Robot101, Do you have my number? +33 6 77 01 92 13 | 20:19 |
| PhonicUK | WOOO hello world works ^_^ | 20:20 |
| pupnik | GAN900: shirtsleeve math isnt going to give us a number for how many mtbf hours an engine has going through x percent ash | 20:20 |
| Robot101 | dneary: I've got a montreal flight booked for sun if my lhr one doesn't make it | 20:20 |
| dneary | pupnik, Because the ash that you can't see turns into glass in the jet engines and the planes fall out of the sky :) | 20:20 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: actually no - more than that for high-bypass engines I suppose | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | pupnik, and they all need complete overhauls if not. | 20:20 |
| dneary | Robot101, Making lemonade? :) | 20:20 |
| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, turbofan, not jet. ;) | 20:21 |
| Robot101 | dneary: yeah, there's an office there and its a better timezone for me | 20:21 |
| dneary | Lucky you have a subsidiary, I guess | 20:22 |
| lcuk | its a shame we havent finished latest model planes, we could have used ramjets in the outer atmosphere to avoid most of the cloud and close the manifold on re-entry | 20:22 |
| lcuk | and it would get people back and forward from us in a couple of hours | 20:22 |
| pupnik | dneary: the documented cases of planes losing engines were when they went straight through dense clouds of ash | 20:22 |
| javispedro | and the reason we haven't finished latest model planes is that there haven't been enough "disasters" of this kind. | 20:23 |
| RST38h | lcuk: Has 3rd episode of DrWho aired? | 20:23 |
| lcuk | this isnt a disaster | 20:23 |
| javispedro | note the quotes ;) | 20:23 |
| lcuk | its not cost lives | 20:23 |
| lcuk | yup | 20:23 |
| lcuk | very true tho | 20:23 |
| Robot101 | dneary: well you could always just go hang out in boston or something too :) | 20:23 |
| dneary | Robot101, Do you know what compensation you're getting? | 20:24 |
| dneary | Or is it "Suck it up"? | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | there was that jumbojet that flew through volcanic ash. All 4 engines stopped | 20:24 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, eep | 20:24 |
| ShadowJK | "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress." the captain announced :) | 20:24 |
| dneary | Therte is supposed to be hotel rooms, meals & compensation for cancelled flights | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | GAN900: hmm. 747 - ~150 tons of fuel - so ~600 tons of air per engine stochiometrically - so ~3000 or so per engine I guess at a bypass of 5:1 | 20:25 |
| * javispedro flies without engines all the time in flight sim :) , but he also hasn't managed to land :( | 20:25 | |
| ShadowJK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9 | 20:25 |
| * RST38h would not mind getting stuck in Boston | 20:25 | |
| RST38h | Actually, THAT happened before. | 20:25 |
| RST38h | Oh well. | 20:25 |
| * ShadowJK has been practicing flying helicopter without engine in flightgear flightsim :-) | 20:26 | |
| javispedro | heh. | 20:26 |
| lcuk | without an engine or turning the one you have off in midair | 20:26 |
| lcuk | there is a distinct difference ;) | 20:26 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, heavies don't glide well. ;) | 20:26 |
| * MohammadAG freaking hates scratchbox sometimes | 20:26 | |
| MohammadAG | Git's broken in it | 20:26 |
| GAN900 | Stopped turbofans have a lot of drag. | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: you were at the lf collab summit too? | 20:26 |
| ShadowJK | I can pretty reliably not-crash from engine failure above 500ft at any airspeed now :D | 20:26 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, yeah | 20:27 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I wanted to be there for GNOME, and Meego | 20:27 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: mount --bind a dir inside scratchbox and use that as your projects dir; use external git and basically only do dpkg-buildpackage inside sbox. | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | dneary: good, even though it probably sucks to be stuck :P | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | what is really annoying is the fact you don't know anything 12 hours ahead | 20:28 |
| dneary | Stskeeps, I wouldn't mind if I hadn't spent half an hour on hold | 20:28 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, ? git works in sb | 20:28 |
| lcuk | theres a git toolkit thingy | 20:28 |
| dneary | Rather, an hour | 20:28 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, I said Git was broken in it, which means it worked outside of sb :) | 20:28 |
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| dneary | I was going to go for a run this mornin | 20:28 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, it just gets to 7% and cuts the connection | 20:28 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: that's why I suggest you use external git... | 20:28 |
| lcuk | is that a different problem? | 20:28 |
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| * lcuk has no real issues with git | 20:29 | |
| javispedro | I never experience that either... | 20:29 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro, which I did before you suggested :) | 20:29 |
| Robot101 | dneary: not bothered trying to contact the airlines atm, just booked my plan B | 20:29 |
| dneary | Ah | 20:29 |
| dneary | Good call | 20:29 |
| Robot101 | dneary: can refund or claim on insurance I expect | 20:29 |
| pupnik | i find it amusing that obviously intelligent people can'yt see the difference between flying into a dark cloud of volcanic ash, and flying in clear blue sky hundreds of km away. immediately the reaction is "oh it is the government! surely they know what they are doing!" | 20:29 |
| lcuk | on a nice note about the #ashtag | 20:30 |
| lcuk | blue skies have never looked prettier | 20:30 |
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| lcuk | no artificial lines | 20:30 |
| pupnik | yeah i like | 20:31 |
| RST38h | pupnik: Well, generally, pilots do know what they are doing | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: http://bit.ly/bGHqN0 - take a look at how badly the ash is in finland and what it does to engines. | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | in finland, which is a fair stretch from the volcano. | 20:31 |
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| Stskeeps | they aren't really kidding with this stuff :P | 20:32 |
| javispedro | if this is the case, expect MONTHS until anybody flies again | 20:32 |
| Robot101 | haha... "You've heard about Gordon Brown? When he heard about Iceland he wanted cash, but there's no 'c' in the Icelandic language, so we gave him ash." | 20:32 |
| lcuk | ashcloud: serious business | 20:32 |
| javispedro | it's not like they're going to disappear in an afternoon | 20:33 |
| lcuk | lol Robot101 | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | javispedro: naah - it gets blown away and dispersed in a week or two at most if it stops | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: it would be wise to buy stock in teleconferencing companies | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: -if it stops- :P | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | last time it was 2 yeas | 20:33 |
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| Stskeeps | years | 20:33 |
| dneary | 40 minutes on hold, line just went dead | 20:33 |
| dneary | Sucks | 20:34 |
| lcuk | prop planes flying lower and slower | 20:34 |
| lcuk | wipe them off at each airport | 20:34 |
| lcuk | bish bash bosh | 20:34 |
| dneary | pupnik, If you were an experienced pilot I might agree | 20:34 |
| * PhonicUK jumps up and down, waving his arms in the air | 20:34 | |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: i did wonder why not use prop planes and fly lower | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: as long as the air filter doesn't clog. | 20:34 |
| dneary | pupnik, Or responsible for flight safety & air traffic control | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: If it does - oops. | 20:34 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: few left, lower capacity, pricier to operate | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | how low does the ash fly? | 20:35 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, there are some emergency flights out of the closed airports | 20:35 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: 10km or so, afaik | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | Also - large jets _can_ fly just fine at 5km | 20:35 |
| RST38h | ShadowJK: here at least | 20:35 |
| lcuk | ShadowJK, it does not fly | 20:35 |
| lcuk | its on my car! | 20:35 |
| yabba | Yeah, our lovable railroad company VR is very happy, their tickets in one way costs more than two way fligh and I assume that if it takes 2 years... Thank god I own a car :p | 20:35 |
| SpeedEvil | They are much slower, and not as economic though | 20:35 |
| lcuk | its falling with style | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, the fuel consumption is a bit nasty though :) | 20:36 |
| lcuk | yeah yabba | 20:36 |
| pupnik | if the contention is: "volcanic ash at concentrations invisible to the unaided eye cause significant safety problems", show it | 20:36 |
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| lcuk | pupnik, buy a plane and fly | 20:36 |
| javispedro | overclock the plane! | 20:36 |
| lcuk | the groundings are not official govt blocks afaik, its decisions amongst companies for safety reasons | 20:36 |
| RST38h | pupnik: google for photos of jet engines damaged by the ash? | 20:36 |
| b-man | javispedro: how would you do that? xD | 20:36 |
| lcuk | pupnik, easiest thing: just wait for the dust to settle | 20:37 |
| lcuk | this whole thing will blow over in a few days | 20:37 |
| lcuk | literally | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | pupnik: from the plane that tried it 'Despite the weather radar showing clear skies,' | 20:37 |
| pupnik | RST38h: that is just an economic cost which travellers can choose to bear, or not. | 20:37 |
| RST38h | On the other hand, any decent world conspiracy (tm) concerned with jet passengers seeing their City in the Sky would surely be able to fake those photos... | 20:37 |
| ShadowJK | surely conspiracy theorists should be happy the chemtrail program has been suspended | 20:38 |
| RST38h | You do know that the volcano eruption is nothing more than a smokescreen hiding the evil plot to build a SKY CITY and only let the sunlight pass when you pay monthly rent to the Man? | 20:38 |
| javispedro | clearly. | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: jesus is above the skies, let us not send up planes so people can see he's there! | 20:39 |
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| RST38h | Stskeeps: He is naked and we can't let people see his testicles! | 20:39 |
| * Trizt don't like when he pees on people | 20:40 | |
| RST38h | Trizt: you like his droppings better? | 20:41 |
| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:747-ba9.png aha, simulated photos for your convenience! (or for the news broadcasters audience numbers convenience!) | 20:41 |
| Trizt | RST38h; No, I just wish he went back to Pluto | 20:42 |
| RST38h | javispedro: Notice the top secret field shielding being tested by British Scientists (tm) | 20:42 |
| pupnik | programmers are at their funniest when talking science | 20:44 |
| javispedro | RST38h: ash-shielding technology! conspiracy! | 20:45 |
| dneary | A week | 20:46 |
| dneary | Robot101, I'm here till next Saturday | 20:46 |
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| javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:747-ba9.png#filehistory You gotta love the previous attempts. | 20:50 |
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| Stskeeps | the first one is an evil evil plane | 20:51 |
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| * javispedro envisions a plane with eyes on fire and torches on the engines.... lemme fill this business plan. | 20:52 | |
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| Stskeeps | javispedro: an airline for satanists | 20:53 |
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| pupnik | just goes to show how easily people will swallow nonsense | 20:54 |
| * RST38h wonders if the burnt smell in the air is due to icelandic ash or the usual | 20:55 | |
| joejoe | hi, i'we noticed that wholeday event is in calendar applet visible also next day after the event. is it known bug? | 20:55 |
| javispedro | ... or the usual modern laptop burning? | 20:56 |
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| RST38h | laptop is behaving itself lately | 20:56 |
| RST38h | probably knows that it is gonna be replaced soon =( | 20:56 |
| * javispedro watches his laptop "remains" on the shelf and wonders when I'll get a new one. | 20:57 | |
| SpeedEvil | 'G-BDXH also entered the Guinness Book of Records as the longest glide in a non-purpose-built aircraft, ' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9 | 20:58 |
| SpeedEvil | not I guess a record you try for. :) | 20:58 |
| pupnik | anyone gotten their hands on a lenovo x100e yet? might be worth the price imo | 21:00 |
| lcuk | if you think its bad now, imagine how many cpu fans are going to be clogged by volcano dust | 21:00 |
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| * yabba hears some evil noise from laptop already | 21:02 | |
| SpeedEvil | pupnik: #thinkpad | 21:02 |
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| RST38h | Forget the fans, think of the lung cancer | 21:04 |
| javispedro | naturally caused lung cancer => mindbreaker | 21:04 |
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| Robot101 | dneary: ouch, that's the next flight they could give you? | 21:05 |
| dneary | Yeah | 21:05 |
| RST38h | javispedro: for the best marketability, it has to be caused by organic entities. Ash does not qualify | 21:06 |
| dneary | You might have done the right thing reserving back-ups | 21:06 |
| dneary | Robot101, The AF person said that hotels & compensation would not be paid unless they were made to - because it's not the airline's fault | 21:06 |
| Robot101 | yeah, something of a force majeure | 21:07 |
| Robot101 | travel insurance jobbie methinks | 21:07 |
| RST38h | dneary: yea, airlines really like saying that nowadays | 21:07 |
| RST38h | act of god | 21:07 |
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| N900evil_ | a lot of sheep died last eruption | 21:08 |
| N900evil_ | sheep do nolt cope well with flouride from ash in their diet | 21:08 |
| sheepbat | awww... | 21:08 |
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| dneary | Sucks | 21:10 |
| dneary | I'm debating whether to move hotels for the week, stay in the city or go to Palo Alto/Mountain View, work, do a bit o' tourism, etc | 21:10 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, there? | 21:19 |
| lcuk | sheepbat, N900evil_ on the upside, icelanders appreciate a good woolen jumper | 21:19 |
| HektoR | hi guys... how can i open terminal windows in nokia n810 ?? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | HektoR: there's a 'x-terminal' icon | 21:20 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: yep | 21:20 |
| pupnik | HektoR: click terminal top menu, "new" | 21:20 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, can you explain how the vbtl instruction work? | 21:21 |
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| * noobmonk3y blinks | 21:21 | |
| LiraNuna | is it for 64bit registers only? | 21:21 |
| HektoR | Stskeeps: there is nothing like this :( | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | HektoR: that's kinda odd, it's under Utilities | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps | HektoR: reflash your device if it's not there | 21:24 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: yes, the destination register is 64-bit, but it can lookup for bytes in a set of four 64-bit source registers, and another 64-bit register is used as index | 21:24 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, so I need 2 loopups for a float32x4 | 21:24 |
| HektoR | Stskeeps: i just bought this device... and can you give some manual links ? | 21:25 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 21:25 |
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| ssvb | LiraNuna: yes, generally if you can avoid vtbl instruction then it is better to do it | 21:25 |
| LiraNuna | are they slow? | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | HektoR: | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps | ~flashing | 21:26 |
| infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 21:26 |
| noobmonk3y | HektoR, # Click the four-blocks icon and choose "Utilities". | 21:26 |
| noobmonk3y | # Scroll to the bottom of the list and select "Xterm". | 21:26 |
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| noobmonk3y | oh , thought he just needed xterm lol | 21:26 |
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| PhonicUK | how can i play an mp3 from the command line? | 21:27 |
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| MohammadAG | play-sound something.mp3 | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | I think | 21:28 |
| HektoR | noobmonk3y: yes but there is now xterm | 21:28 |
| noobmonk3y | oh | 21:28 |
| noobmonk3y | well you got me stumped :P | 21:28 |
| PhonicUK | ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): File or data corrupt | 21:28 |
| * noobmonk3y has never seen an N810 | 21:28 | |
| PhonicUK | nope that didn't wor | 21:28 |
| PhonicUK | *work | 21:28 |
| HektoR | :D | 21:28 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: each one of them takes 2 or 3 cycles (depending on the size of register list to lookup), cycle timing information is available in cortex-a8 trm | 21:28 |
| LiraNuna | where's that? | 21:29 |
| LiraNuna | oh, oh, "TRM" | 21:29 |
| supertramp | guys - what are best parameters for ext3 fs on mmc card? | 21:31 |
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| supertramp | I'd like to have journal and use microsd card - and don't know what ext3 params are needed for perf & stability | 21:32 |
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| supertramp | so far I disabled: noatime,nodirtime ... | 21:32 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: what kind of shuffle operation do you need? many of them can be typically done in some other way | 21:33 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, like SSE's | 21:33 |
| LiraNuna | I want to move 4 floats around | 21:34 |
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| LiraNuna | including duplication | 21:34 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: according to some regular pattern, or totally random? | 21:34 |
| LiraNuna | totally random | 21:34 |
| HektoR | Stskeeps: do i need internet connection on device for flashing ? | 21:34 |
| LiraNuna | I'm porting over my SSE math library to NEON | 21:34 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, my math library supports .xxyz = .wwzz and other wicked stuff | 21:35 |
| Stskeeps | HektoR: no | 21:35 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: one the other hand, vtbl can dual issue with ALU instructions, so with clever scheduling you can compensate its slowness | 21:36 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, usually I add/mul after a shuffle | 21:37 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, cross product is a very fine example of it | 21:38 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: if this add/mul does not use the result of this shuffle, then they can dual issue happily | 21:38 |
| LiraNuna | oh I see | 21:38 |
| LiraNuna | ssvb, http://pastie.org/private/z2suqbd83ghexdbzfcrdw | 21:39 |
| LiraNuna | "vec4" is my SSE wrapper class | 21:39 |
| LiraNuna | they are all floats | 21:39 |
| LiraNuna | (float32x4_t in neon intrinsics) | 21:40 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: such operation alone usually does not perform good, it is too small to be vectorized | 21:40 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: processing multiple vectors in parrallel is much better, if this can be done of course | 21:41 |
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| LiraNuna | ssvb, surely it's faster than non-parallel version | 21:43 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: yes, but most likely still up to several times slower than properly optimized version | 21:44 |
| LiraNuna | I understand that | 21:45 |
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| Robot101 | pupnik: looks like they're testing - 19:43 <+Calamarain> tc: We won't be back in time for that | 21:57 |
| Robot101 | 19:43 <+Calamarain> But something in the evening is feasible | 21:57 |
| Robot101 | 19:44 <+Calamarain> We're right on the edge - we can see Wales from here | 21:57 |
| Robot101 | 19:54 <+tc> http://newsolio.com/klm705-test-flight-over-europe-to-test-ash-from-iceland-volcano,9436 wonder if they're getting paid | 21:57 |
| Robot101 | that was more than I intended to paste | 21:57 |
| Robot101 | http://newsolio.com/klm705-test-flight-over-europe-to-test-ash-from-iceland-volcano,9436 being the relevant bit :) | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | Robot101: probably as crazy as the finnish air force pilots | 21:58 |
| ssvb | LiraNuna: btw, there is also vtrn instruction, it may help in some cases (matrix transpose) | 21:58 |
| LiraNuna | transpose only swaps pairs, right? | 21:59 |
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| LiraNuna | similar to SSE's _MM_TRANSPOSE | 21:59 |
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| pupnik | ty Robot101 ! | 22:02 |
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| NuD1t7 | hmm 3h idle n900 and battery has dropped from fully charged to 80% | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | that's a good thing | 22:20 |
| pupnik | "fully charged" by mwhat measure? | 22:20 |
| NuD1t7 | well it claimed to be "full" | 22:21 |
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| pupnik | ok | 22:23 |
| pupnik | i doubt it was idle then | 22:23 |
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| NuD1t7 | well no wlan or 3g internet-connection .. no sms or calls ... no gpu-active widget etc | 22:24 |
| * FauxFaux is still suitably amused by Battery Graph (http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/battgraph2.png). | 22:24 | |
| NuD1t7 | there is only one cpu-spike | 22:24 |
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| HektoR | Stskeeps: hey.... i just flashed it and it works :) thank you | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | HektoR: good :) | 22:26 |
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| lcuk | FauxFaux, new install, or changed your system date? | 22:28 |
| FauxFaux | New device. | 22:28 |
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| dmj7261 | Hi, VDVsx. I'm curious what kind of response Maemo got for GSoC? | 22:34 |
| VDVsx | dmj7261, a lot of proposals, see my blog post about that | 22:35 |
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| lcuk | batterygraph did not retain my history after backup/reflash/restore | 22:35 |
| dmj7261 | just googled your blog...that's a lot. | 22:36 |
| dmj7261 | Hopefully a lot of really good ones. :) | 22:36 |
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| VDVsx | dmj7261, yeah a lot of good ones for few slots :( | 22:38 |
| dmj7261 | How many did Maemo get? | 22:38 |
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| * noobmonk3y wants the promote button to appear grrrrrrrrrrrrrr | 22:51 | |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, battery eye did keep my history after backup flash restore :D | 22:52 |
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| * noobmonk3y grumbles! | 22:55 | |
| * dmj7261 just discovered a whole bunch of image processing code designed for scanning books with cameras. | 22:56 | |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, o_O you are correct | 22:56 |
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| lcuk | batterygraph DID keep my settings | 22:57 |
| lcuk | it was my date which was off! | 22:57 |
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| noobmonk3y | :P | 22:57 |
| * noobmonk3y has no promote button :( :( | 22:58 | |
| * lcuk promotes noobmonk3y | 22:58 | |
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| * noobmonk3y feels ever so slightly promoted :P | 22:59 | |
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| * noobmonk3y thinks X-Fade is sleeping on the servers again ;) | 23:01 | |
| noobmonk3y | might be dribbing on them :( | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, healthcheck lacks graphics | 23:06 |
| noobmonk3y | yup! | 23:11 |
| noobmonk3y | brb gotta head home, back in 30 | 23:11 |
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| ColdFyre | isn't there a new maemo update for the n900 expected soooooon? | 23:14 |
| kuriiri | no | 23:14 |
| _llll_ | depends what you mean by "soon" | 23:15 |
| yabba | At december 2012 | 23:15 |
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| N900evil_ | I expect one wednesday. | 23:15 |
| N900evil_ | I am often dissapointed though. | 23:16 |
| tmr1 | arrrggh, cant get sound works, damn | 23:16 |
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| Arkenoi | quite funny, my phone lasted 4 hours with battery showing zero bars and 5mAh, while networked and occasionally used interactively | 23:21 |
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| javispedro | I've seen that. | 23:24 |
| SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: It really does use very little power when idle and powersaving wifi | 23:24 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone used their N900 as a vnc server? | 23:24 |
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| yabba | btw, is there any program (not overclocking) or way to put that wifi totaly off? Because I don't need it :P | 23:26 |
| nid0 | wifi switcher | 23:26 |
| yabba | Ok, thanks :) | 23:26 |
| SpeedEvil | ifconfig wlan0 down | 23:28 |
| SpeedEvil | Wifi logged into a powersaving router uses under .2% of battery per hour | 23:29 |
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| SpeedEvil | (additional) | 23:29 |
| nid0 | personally I find the power usage *way* higher than that | 23:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | powersaving router | 23:30 |
| nid0 | check | 23:30 |
| inkbottle | Hi, is a sim-card inserted in the n900 mandatory to be able to connect through the wifi? :) | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | on a non powersaving one, it's way higher | 23:30 |
| nid0 | still way more than that | 23:30 |
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| nid0 | inkbottle, no | 23:30 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: that is a total power use of ~10mA with it logged in but idle. | 23:30 |
| nid0 | doesnt seem to be on my powersaving router | 23:31 |
| nid0 | never has been | 23:31 |
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| SpeedEvil | nid0: what latency do you get over ssh sessions - and is your cpu hitting idle over 50% of the time? | 23:31 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: - powertop | 23:32 |
| javispedro | imo it's something like 0.7% of battery per wi-fi hour | 23:32 |
| javispedro | make it ~1% | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: that is additional ~1mA with wifi on | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | for me anyway | 23:32 |
| nid0 | I find on this device having wifi on but (mostly) idle my battery life is roughly halved compared to just switching wifi off when not in use | 23:32 |
| SpeedEvil | what do you mean by mostly | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat uses 30mA as it wakes the cpu up a lot | 23:33 |
| nid0 | well as in the phone getting light use, maybe an hour of active wifi use a day | 23:33 |
| inkbottle | nid0: then... I can connect to my own wifi with a debian's laptop, but there is always error with the phone (so far i don't have a sim card to put in it) (i try sth else...) | 23:33 |
| SpeedEvil | k | 23:33 |
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| nid0 | this is on the same router for which symbian phones with wifi enabled and idle have no noticeable extra increase in power consumption atall over wifi off entirely, so the router's powersaving support clearly works fine | 23:34 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: well - mine works. I guess there are still some oddities. | 23:35 |
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| SpeedEvil | nid0: what latency do you see pinging the device? | 23:35 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: I get a maximum of ~300ms or so. | 23:35 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil: oh, and your average latency? | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | 150 | 23:36 |
| * Arkenoi never seen any symbian phone lasting more than two days while connected. n900 can do *in theory*, actually you just never have it idling for two days ;-) | 23:36 | |
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| SpeedEvil | 10 packets transmitted, 10 received, 0% packet loss, time 9013ms | 23:36 |
| SpeedEvil | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 44.190/130.087/210.439/56.597 ms | 23:36 |
| nid0 | well with wifi connected but powersaving kicked in, it usually wont kick in atall until I actively use the wifi from the device first, my latency when it's active isnt bad, ill check it shortly though, girlfriend stole it to play blubbels atm | 23:37 |
| javispedro | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 207.945/343.951/499.086/84.836 ms | 23:37 |
| javispedro | (out of 12 packets) | 23:37 |
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| nid0 | Arkenoi: e90 lasts about 6 days with no wifi connection for me | 23:37 |
| nid0 | or like 5 and 3/4 days with wifi enabled and idle | 23:38 |
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| * noobmonk3y curses the lack of promote button :( | 23:38 | |
| FauxFaux | If your wifi is idle you obviously don't have enough e-mail accounts. | 23:38 |
| javispedro | n900 lasts 4 days with wi-fi + skype (I guess I won't ever get tired of repeating it ;P ) | 23:38 |
| nid0 | when my phone is in range of my wifi router, its because I am too | 23:38 |
| nid0 | which means im also in range of both my workstation and my tablet | 23:38 |
| nid0 | both of which receive my mail | 23:38 |
| nid0 | no need for my n900 to as well | 23:39 |
| _llll_ | wifi-switcher is useful | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: can you connect to the e90 from outside? | 23:39 |
| nid0 | yep | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | one email account on automatic check disqualifies yourself from using the words wifi, 3g or 2g together in the same sentence with the word 'idle' :P | 23:39 |
| FauxFaux | Yeah, but it's supposed to download the e-mail for you to read on your way places. | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: no, it doesn't. | 23:39 |
| yabba | Oh god damn it, I installed that wifi switcher and put wifi of, then I was Damn update... but wrong, it was just icon :( | 23:39 |
| SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: for wifi - it goes to sleep _very_ fast if powersave is implemented right | 23:39 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: automatic check is a bug :) | 23:39 |
| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, dude this is modest we're tlaking about ;) | 23:40 |
| javispedro | SpeedEvil++, my test was done with two email accounts set to 30 minutes... | 23:40 |
| PhonicUK | is there a way of turning off the N900 screen without VNC sessions going blank? | 23:40 |
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| SpeedEvil | The more powerconsuming bit seems to be the CPU taking some time to go back to idle state. | 23:40 |
| nid0 | 4 days with wifi and skype enabled, need :( | 23:40 |
| nid0 | I just about get 3 with wifi switcher used and light usage | 23:40 |
| ToJa92 | [PhonicUK]: You could always set the screen brightness to zero | 23:40 |
| ToJa92 | dont remember what file the brightness is in though | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: that still uses a fair bit of power | 23:41 |
| javispedro | due to the way x11vnc works it's a waste of power either way | 23:41 |
| SpeedEvil | ToJa92: indeed - lowest rung isn't much different from 'zero' | 23:41 |
| PhonicUK | works for me | 23:41 |
| javispedro | PhonicUK: X11 should work fine with screen off -- I know it's less convenient but also more battery friendly | 23:41 |
| PhonicUK | as soon as i turn the screen off the remote sesion blanks out | 23:42 |
| javispedro | yes, due to the way x11vnc works. | 23:42 |
| inkbottle | how do i know the mac address of the n900? | 23:42 |
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| PhonicUK | inkbottle, run iwconfig as root | 23:42 |
| javispedro | PhonicUK: sorry, by "X11" I meant "X11 redirection" alone, no VNC. | 23:42 |
| PhonicUK | ah | 23:42 |
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| inkbottle | PhonicUK: :) how do i know the pass words? | 23:43 |
| PhonicUK | ? | 23:43 |
| PhonicUK | you don't need to | 23:43 |
| nid0 | noobmonk3y, find your promote buttons :( | 23:43 |
| PhonicUK | you need to install the gainroot package | 23:43 |
| noobmonk3y | nope :( | 23:43 |
| javispedro | inkbottle: you also can go to control panel and click "about my device" | 23:44 |
| inkbottle | javispedro, i going to try that | 23:44 |
| _llll_ | mac addr is listed in settings somewhere too | 23:44 |
| javispedro | "about my device", "about this product", dunno how it's translated. | 23:45 |
| nid0 | you shoulda got a promote button half an hour ago :< | 23:45 |
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| noobmonk3y | yeah :( | 23:47 |
| noobmonk3y | its just not there :( | 23:47 |
| nid0 | maybe its every half an hour at quarter past and to, in which case it woulda shown up 2 mins ago? :> | 23:47 |
| lcuk2 | ash cloud? | 23:47 |
| javispedro | ash cloud is prevent travel of packages from -devel to -testing | 23:48 |
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| noobmonk3y | lol | 23:48 |
| javispedro | *ting | 23:48 |
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| * noobmonk3y blames lcuk2 for the ash cloud.... he's been brewing it for a while! | 23:48 | |
| noobmonk3y | nid0, maybe it hasn't met all requirements? | 23:49 |
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| nid0 | I cant see what, you had 3 tester thumbs ups in about 2 hours, you got 10 karma, its been 10 days, has a bugtracker, description, and dependancies | 23:49 |
| noobmonk3y | :P maybe it's the hidden test script, the one that says if it is called healthcheck, to just leave it festering? ;) | 23:50 |
| SpeedEvil | nid0: Have you sacrificed the virgin? | 23:50 |
| noobmonk3y | darn, knew i forgot something | 23:50 |
| nid0 | she wasnt a virgin when I was done with her :( | 23:50 |
| noobmonk3y | where is MohammadAG when you need him ;) | 23:50 |
| * GAN900 is pretty sure the Nexus One is magic | 23:50 | |
| lcuk | "magic" | 23:51 |
| lcuk | ? | 23:51 |
| javispedro | hah! the dark side of the force is among us! | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | Somehow it keeps getting new email with no WiFi and no SIM | 23:51 |
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| GAN900 | It also magically sucks ass | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | "i've been turned on for 4 hours now" | 23:51 |
| GAN900 | (as Myrtti will surely inform you) | 23:51 |
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| lcuk | outlook express used to send you mails | 23:51 |
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| GAN900 | Just weird | 23:52 |
| noobmonk3y | GAN900, can it promoted my app to extras, whilst it is being so useful please? :D | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | lurking? | 23:53 |
| * javispedro counts the number of virgins GAN will have to offer in sacrifice to return to the path of light after his unblessed experiments with the dark side | 23:53 | |
| * MohammadAG pings noobmonk3y | 23:53 | |
| VDVsx | GAN900, enjoying your new device ? cough traitor cough :D | 23:54 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 23:54 |
| * noobmonk3y farts | 23:54 | |
| noobmonk3y | hmmm maybe it wont let me promote if another one is already in downloads? | 23:55 |
| * VDVsx lights a match in the room :D | 23:55 | |
| noobmonk3y | (Shouldnt be the case though.......) | 23:55 |
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| * javispedro ducks | 23:55 | |
| inkbottle | So now I am connected (i have the little icon); but it fails connecting to an address, even one i give it the ip address (so fare i can't ping or what ever) | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 23:55 |
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| noobmonk3y | javispedro, mallards? | 23:56 |
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| javispedro | noobmonk3y: as in "duck and cover", you unlawful person that made me check wiktionary. | 23:57 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 23:57 |
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| * noobmonk3y checks the dictionary for wiktionary........ nope, got me there | 23:57 | |
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