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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: you sound like my silly bosses sometimes - the device needs OLEDs! What? no idea where - oh there's no such thing like single OLEDs -shit! | 00:01 |
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| lcuk | any wiki editors handy, or people who could cut and paste some stuff into a wiki page | 00:01 |
| * javispedro would run out of money BEFORE running out of battery while browsing using 3g | 00:02 | |
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| lcuk | want all pictures from a thread making into a wiki page | 00:02 |
| javispedro | you could make the page first then leave formatting for latter | 00:02 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=612433&postcount=229 | 00:02 |
| javispedro | *later | 00:02 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh? | 00:02 |
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| javispedro | ah. | 00:02 |
| lcuk | yes javis but that takes concentration i havent got | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | mind is over there <<<<<<<< watching updates and stuff | 00:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: short version: World peace and intergalactical travels *should* be possible! | 00:03 |
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| woglinde_ | hm when I define a static struct in .c file how can I use the struct in another file | 00:04 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: are you saying my expectations are unreasonable for a "mobile computer"? | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | yes | 00:04 |
| * SpeedEvil1 sighs at stupid broken forums. | 00:04 | |
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| SpeedEvil1 | Is there a way to get all the posts in a thread on one page? | 00:04 |
| Shapeshifter | :( | 00:04 |
| lcuk | woglinde_, you define the struct in a header | 00:05 |
| lcuk | and declare the instance of that struct to be static | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil1, settings, but you'll never get all posts | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: see, 'all day IM online" tends to be no difference to "all day surfing over 3G" | 00:05 |
| javispedro | then a copy would be included on every file | 00:05 |
| lcuk | your method of "static struct { ... } blah;" is afaik a private struct | 00:05 |
| lcuk | no javispedro thats not what i said | 00:05 |
| lcuk | a struct takes no memory | 00:05 |
| lcuk | is not data | 00:05 |
| lcuk | its a definition | 00:05 |
| woglinde_ | lcuk hm I wonder why it worked in earlier kernel | 00:06 |
| lcuk | it works | 00:06 |
| lcuk | but afaik you cant share the definition for it | 00:06 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: mh I guess you're right. | 00:06 |
| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk | 00:06 |
| javispedro | a definition cannot be static ... | 00:06 |
| noobmonk3y | really wanna swap with me for a day, i had a meeting from 9am - 5pm today :| | 00:06 |
| lcuk | the scope breaks it | 00:06 |
| noobmonk3y | (whilst ircing on the n900 at times) | 00:06 |
| lcuk | static [variable]; | 00:06 |
| lcuk | where [variable] == privately declared struct | 00:06 |
| lcuk | im still working noobmonk3y go figure | 00:07 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: i was trying to learn how cachememories works from 12-14 then i gave up and went home | 00:07 |
| * SpeedEvil1 ponders using http://new.music.yahoo.com/will-smith/tracks/summertime--2041029 as a teaching aid. | 00:07 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol lcuk | 00:07 |
| noobmonk3y | frals, - you lost me at "learn" | 00:07 |
| frals | :D | 00:07 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 00:07 |
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| Shapeshifter | http://www.diginfo.tv/2009/11/12/09-0337-r-en.php likes this idea. | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: if you want better battery endurance, you don't want a more bulky device - rather you want smarter apps with better power conserving design | 00:09 |
| heffer | hoho my N900 has better speakers than my ThinkPad X200 | 00:09 |
| heffer | in fact, the X200 even has only one speaker :) | 00:09 |
| javispedro | Shapeshifter: not impressed. 50ml and only two weeks standby for a feature phone? | 00:09 |
| N900evil | and sometimes you can't do things smarter - as the outside world doesn"t cooperate | 00:10 |
| Shapeshifter | javispedro: the fact that recharing it takes a few seconds is interesting. | 00:10 |
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| pronto | does the n900 still have that issue with wifi + bluetooth? | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil1 | For example - you would ideally want to be able to group all IM activity so it only hit in batches every minute. | 00:10 |
| SpeedEvil1 | And wifi powersaving only works with routers that support it | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil1: bouncer/proxy then | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil1 | DocScrutinizer: yes - that's a partial answer | 00:11 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's the apple approach afaiu (single server for notifications) | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, think so | 00:11 |
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| javispedro | aha, a phone producing CO2. | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil1 | you really want it deeper into the system than that. | 00:12 |
| SpeedEvil1 | If you can. | 00:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | on N900 you can | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | mostly | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | For example, applications batching timers so that if the app doesn't care about exact value of timer, several apps timers are fired at once. | 00:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: listen!! | 00:13 |
| javispedro | I'm pretty sure there's a framework for that already | 00:14 |
| javispedro | in fact there's at the second granularity | 00:14 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: I'm listening | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: timers sounds like your favourite pet recently | 00:15 |
| javispedro | but yeah, second granularity is too high these days. apps should be grouped at minutes, etc. | 00:15 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: ;) | 00:15 |
| woglinde_ | args | 00:16 |
| woglinde_ | this seems a sed error | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: see now why I pushed for an 'API', even a simple cmdline API | 00:16 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: well in my case it would just be interesting to get telepathy to batch/burst the connection. | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: implement 3 additional parameters for time? absolute skew in millisec, freq relative error for periodic events, max jitter | 00:19 |
| N900evil | nanosec | 00:20 |
| SpeedEvil | probably microsec actually | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, us is fine | 00:21 |
| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: heh. I just asked in telepathy. the guy said that the connect independently (jabber accounts), but also: | 00:21 |
| Shapeshifter | 23:20 < smcv > Shapeshifter: the N900 has some cleverness to have all the Jabber connections wake the device up at the same time, but I think that's mostly in the kernel, i.e. not our problem :-) | 00:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: anyway I'm talking bout alarmed | 00:22 |
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| Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: yeah I could do that. | 00:23 |
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| woglinde_ | *sigh* | 00:25 |
| woglinde_ | this cost me 2 hours | 00:25 |
| woglinde_ | to understand | 00:25 |
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| woglinde_ | but now fixed | 00:26 |
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| * lcuk gets woglinde_ a coffee | 00:26 | |
| woglinde_ | but the patch got an ack | 00:26 |
| woglinde_ | the patch who breaked it | 00:26 |
| woglinde_ | linux-omap | 00:26 |
| woglinde_ | f778a12dd33200513596a0d4d3ba4d5f09e79c09 | 00:26 |
| javispedro | I see the static struct _declaration_ there. | 00:27 |
| woglinde_ | hm | 00:28 |
| woglinde_ | kernel seems not to boot | 00:28 |
| woglinde_ | -rfbi.dss_ick = clk_get(rfbi.fbdev->dev, "ick"); | 00:28 |
| woglinde_ | +rfbi.dss_ick = clk_get(&dispc.fbdev->dssdev->dev, "ick"); | 00:28 |
| woglinde_ | dispc is only defined in dispc.c | 00:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: plus a parameter --system and a checkbox "[ ] Show system events", so you can by default hide away system level timer events from user/GUI | 00:30 |
| woglinde_ | hm hm so I have to backport kexec stuff to 33.1 | 00:31 |
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| woglinde_ | oh is in there | 00:33 |
| woglinde_ | okay | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: the part of yesterday's twitter where it says"Palm came up with a device using Nokia's maemo code, before Nokia was ready to rollout", that gave a decent laugh | 00:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer bbl | 00:33 | |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 00:34 |
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| * Jaffa *assumes* that's talking about upstream patches rather than libhildon or something | 00:36 | |
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| GAN900 | kernel, primarily | 00:40 |
| GAN900 | and the comment was intended to be humorous | 00:40 |
| GAN900 | and an example of one of the things you have to cope with working with open source | 00:41 |
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| wazd | any maemo.org website gurus in here? :) | 00:42 |
| javispedro | they're also using gst-openmax, etc. | 00:42 |
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| GAN900 | BlueZ | 00:42 |
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| noobmonk3y | wb MohammadAG | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | ty o.O | 00:43 |
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| * javispedro now reads that they tried to bring GAN to the dark side by giving him a free nexus one | 00:46 | |
| GAN900 | Didn't work! | 00:46 |
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| javispedro | amateurs. | 00:46 |
| GAN900 | I haven't stuck my SIM in it, but I haven't been impressed poking around so far. | 00:46 |
| GAN900 | Too bad Nokia didn't announce free N900s at Ari's talk. . . . | 00:47 |
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| javispedro | he. | 00:47 |
| javispedro | They should. Free Droids given to potential MeeGo-developers is never a good thing :) | 00:48 |
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| GAN900 | Yeah | 00:48 |
| GAN900 | Lotta N900s here | 00:48 |
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| GAN900 | More Nexus Ones today. ;) | 00:48 |
| javispedro | see, the dark side won already. | 00:48 |
| SpeedEvil | mass blend! | 00:49 |
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| GAN900 | SpeedEvil, yeah, that's what I said yesterday. | 00:49 |
| SpeedEvil | oh. | 00:49 |
| * SpeedEvil wasn't paying close attention. | 00:49 | |
| * javispedro starts looking for cheap android devices in preparation for the soon massive "switch" | 00:49 | |
| javispedro | http://www.lainterfaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/alienware-concepto-celular-android.jpg first hit here when googling "cheap android phone" :) | 00:51 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | javispedro: hahahahaha | 00:52 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | Alienware gear looks horrendous | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | It's Kosh! | 00:52 |
| SpeedEvil | In a phone! | 00:52 |
| javispedro | did I see an angel fleeing out of it? | 00:52 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | I really need to watch bab 5 | 00:54 |
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| crazyhorses | whats up? talking through maemo on wifi using irssi | 00:57 |
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| crazyhorses | the keyboard is great | 00:57 |
| wazd | http://img.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/motorola/motorola-aura-2.jpg | 00:58 |
| wazd | that's the phone | 00:58 |
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| javispedro | "the" phone? | 00:58 |
| crazyhorses | n900 :) | 00:58 |
| wazd | javispedro: yeah :) | 00:59 |
| SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: I'm up to 28wpm or so, which surprised me | 00:59 |
| crazyhorses | wow thats impressive | 00:59 |
| wazd | javispedro: actually price/awesomness ratio of this thing is outstanding :) | 01:00 |
| crazyhorses | I'm still getting used to some keys | 01:00 |
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| javispedro | ah well, I don't like the form factor. | 01:00 |
| acidjazz | when can i put meego on n900 | 01:00 |
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| wazd | acidjazz: yeah | 01:01 |
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| acidjazz | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/15/nokia-and-intel-give-meego-1-0-its-first-live-performance-video/ | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | acidjazz, not very soon | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | if ever | 01:02 |
| acidjazz | ok mr negative | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | ... | 01:02 |
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| * MohammadAG calls DocScrutinizer and asks for another autokicker :P | 01:03 | |
| SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: my laptop broke, so I was using it as my main IM and other device for a weekish | 01:04 |
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| lardman | evening chaps | 01:05 |
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| wazd | acidjazz: you'd be able to install MeeGo on n900 in 2 hours. Faithfully yours, Mr. Postitve. | 01:06 |
| wazd | lardman: heya | 01:06 |
| lardman | reading about the donation stuff, I've got to say I'd like an updated HAM with descriptions, rating abilities and a donation button myself | 01:06 |
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| lardman | hey wazd | 01:06 |
| wazd | lardman: ironically | 01:06 |
| wazd | lardman: http://i021.radikal.ru/1004/eb/85a8bebe5f82.png | 01:06 |
| javispedro | aha! | 01:07 |
| javispedro | they're going to syndicate babylon just now. | 01:07 |
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| javispedro | *bab 5 | 01:07 |
| javispedro | (so, speaking of the devil...) | 01:07 |
| javispedro | evening lardman | 01:07 |
| lardman | wazd: looks interesting | 01:07 |
| lardman | hey javispedro | 01:08 |
| crazyhorses | what's that app they use to show cpu clock, load, etc? | 01:08 |
| javispedro | conky? | 01:08 |
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| javispedro | lardman: saw reply to dsp mp3 post? | 01:08 |
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| wazd | lardman: it's Extras Client for Maemo from Daniel Wilms | 01:09 |
| lardman | javispedro: yes, Felipe has, as ever, given the pointers needed | 01:09 |
| javispedro | :nod: :) | 01:09 |
| lardman | wazd: oh, I tried installing that a while back and it wouldn't work | 01:09 |
| lardman | javispedro: too busy atm, but I may take another stab at some DSP stuff further into the summer | 01:10 |
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| javispedro | ah, the summer. | 01:10 |
| javispedro | so many projects :) | 01:10 |
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| javispedro | and still too far. | 01:10 |
| wazd | lardman: well, I can't do even that :D | 01:10 |
| lardman | further!? and I mad, supposed to snow next week ;) | 01:10 |
| lardman | wazd: no device? | 01:10 |
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| wazd | lardman: sort of | 01:10 |
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| lardman | OC'd and burst into flames...? | 01:11 |
| lardman | :) | 01:11 |
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| wazd | lardman: hehe, no, just no device :D | 01:12 |
| wazd | lardman: overclocked price tag in here :D | 01:12 |
| GAN900 | X-Fade, Dawn and Randy are looking at the mailserver. | 01:12 |
| lardman | wazd: ah, sorry to hear that | 01:12 |
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| lardman | hey GAN900 | 01:13 |
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| GAN900 | Hey, lardman | 01:17 |
| woglinde_ | hm someone knows the cmdline for the n8x0 diablo kernels? | 01:17 |
| wazd | lardman: well, that's a pathetic developing obstacle for me, so nothing to be sorry for :) | 01:17 |
| crazyhorses | what is the most lightweight ftp(pref. sftp) client? | 01:17 |
| lcuk | telnet | 01:18 |
| lardman | openssh command line client...? | 01:18 |
| lardman | lcuk: damn foo' ;) | 01:18 |
| lcuk | but working out the primes is a bit of a bitch manually | 01:18 |
| lardman | and hi :) | 01:18 |
| lcuk | \o | 01:18 |
| crazyhorses | gui client plz | 01:19 |
| lardman | no idea then, sorry | 01:19 |
| frals | fileparser done, all of... 5 lines of code | 01:19 |
| * frals likes when its that easy | 01:20 | |
| lardman | actually what are you talking about on an N900, Windows, Linux, etc?# | 01:20 |
| lcuk | those 5 lines are 499999999999 characters each tho | 01:20 |
| frals | scch lcuk ;) | 01:20 |
| lardman | :) | 01:20 |
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| crazyhorses | n900 | 01:20 |
| FIQ | why did my program manager just force opened? | 01:20 |
| lardman | crazyhorses: no idea then, try a search in HAM perhaps | 01:20 |
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| frals | now i just need to do a ui prototype and have some ui/ux tear it apart and make it make sense for users | 01:20 |
| FIQ | did i press on a "install (program) button by mistake, does it opens then? | 01:21 |
| FIQ | nvm | 01:21 |
| lcuk | frals, auto config for fmms? | 01:22 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: Have the UI random for each user, and then tweak it via a genetic algorithm from people that don't uninstall immediately. | 01:22 |
| frals | lcuk: yeah | 01:22 |
| lcuk | good good | 01:22 |
| lcuk | i like the genetic algorithm aspect | 01:23 |
| lcuk | SpeedEvil, thats a nice idea | 01:23 |
| crazyhorses | strange scrolling isn't workimg | 01:23 |
| SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: ? | 01:23 |
| crazyhorses | irssi on n900 | 01:24 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: sounds pretty good, gonna go for it! | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | how are you trying to scroll? | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 01:24 |
| crazyhorses | usually ctrl + p/n | 01:24 |
| SpeedEvil | crazyhorses: it's possibly not bound? | 01:24 |
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| crazyhorses | different binds.. it,s changing channels | 01:25 |
| * lardman grumbles that there are always so many unread posts on TMO | 01:25 | |
| lcuk | lardman, just use vaispy.php | 01:26 |
| lardman | ? | 01:26 |
| lcuk | and if its gone from scrollback its gone | 01:26 |
| lardman | ah ok | 01:26 |
| lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php | 01:26 |
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| lardman | bloody hell, they just keep coming! | 01:27 |
| lcuk | lol lardman | 01:27 |
| lcuk | its like irc | 01:27 |
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| lcuk | but it scrolls the wrong way ;) | 01:27 |
| lardman | yeah but with 1000 conversations going on! | 01:28 |
| javispedro | and it scrolls too fast and with muuuch longer posts | 01:28 |
| frals | lcuk: actually using that page is insane! | 01:28 |
| javispedro | aha, we overloaded tmo | 01:28 |
| javispedro | I stopped getting updates... | 01:28 |
| frals | same here lol | 01:28 |
| lcuk | i just flick to it | 01:29 |
| lcuk | glance and flick away i know it moves but its rare i see it | 01:29 |
| lardman | lol http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50089 | 01:29 |
| * javispedro thinks lcuk is too used to twitter | 01:29 | |
| lcuk | twitter is awful | 01:29 |
| lcuk | i hate that "700 new twits" | 01:30 |
| javispedro | well said. | 01:30 |
| lcuk | just show me the damn things | 01:30 |
| frals | lcuk only dislikes twitter because everyone is calling him insane on there | 01:30 |
| lcuk | they stopped that | 01:30 |
| lardman | I don't use it, drives me mad | 01:30 |
| lcuk | its ok for some uses | 01:30 |
| frals | i mostly use it to advertise new fmms stuff | 01:30 |
| FIQ | wasn't N900 planned this week? | 01:31 |
| FIQ | eh | 01:31 |
| FIQ | oh | 01:31 |
| FIQ | lol | 01:31 |
| javispedro | yes, I got one! | 01:31 |
| FIQ | i mean PR1.2 | 01:31 |
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| lardman | oh, I thought we had a 1 year lag on those comments ;) | 01:31 |
| javispedro | 1 year already?? | 01:31 |
| javispedro | damn, need new gadget to play with. | 01:31 |
| zappa | hey guys can i get some feedback on design or http://wiki.maemo.org/QtRuby . I plan to add essentially lesson 2 this weekend. I've never done a document in wiki format and am wondering what i should do differently | 01:31 |
| lardman | javispedro: getting close I reckon | 01:32 |
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| javispedro | zappa: well you already used all of the mediawiki features I know =) | 01:33 |
| frals | hmm, i wonder which component owns /etc/operator_settings | 01:33 |
| frals | is there an easy way to find out which package installs a given file? | 01:33 |
| javispedro | "operator-wizard-settings" is the package | 01:33 |
| javispedro | and "dpkg -S /filename" | 01:33 |
| frals | ty! | 01:33 |
| zappa | javispedro: i had no idea what i was doing. I looked at the code for other wikis to get a semi clue. | 01:34 |
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| * noobmonk3y prods lcuk | 01:34 | |
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| * frals prods noobmonk3y | 01:35 | |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 01:35 | |
| noobmonk3y | right | 01:35 |
| noobmonk3y | night alls | 01:35 |
| frals | nn | 01:35 |
| noobmonk3y | too much giggling makes me tired....... :P | 01:35 |
| lcuk | nn noobmonk3y | 01:35 |
| noobmonk3y | :D lcuk - back to work :P | 01:35 |
| lcuk | you stopped peeing pants now? | 01:35 |
| lcuk | make sure you go toilet before bed | 01:35 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, only when i remember not to drink too much ;) | 01:35 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:36 |
| noobmonk3y | sorry, only when mum remembers to not make me drink to much | 01:36 |
| * lardman settles down to another beer :) | 01:36 | |
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| MohammadAG | nn noobmonk3y | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 01:36 |
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| noobmonk3y | nights ;) | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | was infobot glined? | 01:36 |
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| frals | lardman: share! | 01:36 |
| lardman | come on over | 01:37 |
| frals | all flights grounded :( | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | walk | 01:37 |
| lcuk | lardman, that app you posted | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | stream e-coach results here :P | 01:37 |
| lcuk | does it run on wine? | 01:37 |
| frals | id need more than a beer to walk from sweden i think | 01:38 |
| lardman | don't think I'd be shouting about beer otherwise do you ;) | 01:38 |
| lcuk | haha | 01:38 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: you'd need a thick coating of lard. | 01:38 |
| zappa | Reason why I ask is I've gotten no questions or comments about qtruby. I would think there would be atleast some people interested in qtruby on the n900. Am I just wierd for thinking more ppl would be interested in this? | 01:38 |
| lardman | hmm, bloody slow typing with one hand (/me finishes bag of chips) | 01:38 |
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| woglinde_ | zappa sofar you are the onlyone using qtruby | 01:39 |
| frals | ive been staring at my code for the last 10minutes waiting for it to type itself out.. not working so far :( | 01:39 |
| lardman | lcuk: hmm, I'd prefer wine, but none in the house | 01:39 |
| woglinde_ | frals lol | 01:39 |
| lcuk | really | 01:39 |
| MohammadAG | frals, lemme help, it won't write itself out :P | 01:39 |
| lardman | frals: more beer, you wake up in the moring with unintelligible but very good code | 01:39 |
| SpeedEvil | The on-screen keyboard needs to have a large button mode, for noses. | 01:39 |
| lcuk | you only struggled home at weekend with a new barrel! | 01:39 |
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| frals | lardman: only got wine here and not in the mood for it, ill trade you for a beer ;) | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | LOL @ SpeedEvil | 01:40 |
| lardman | frals: if only! | 01:40 |
| zappa | woglinde: I think you may be right. | 01:40 |
| lcuk | limited vocab | 01:40 |
| lardman | damn those volcanoes/icelanders | 01:40 |
| frals | yeah damn icelanders for making their volcano go nuts again | 01:41 |
| frals | thats what you get when you dont raise em properly *goes off about parenting these days* | 01:41 |
| lardman | first they knacker out economy, then our airline industry,... ;) | 01:41 |
| lardman | s/out/our | 01:41 |
| lcuk | frals, whats the code you gotta write | 01:41 |
| lcuk | perhaps we can come up with some interesting variable names | 01:41 |
| frals | lcuk: i need to get current chosen apn from gconf from fmms settings, get it from /system/osso/blabla/IAP, get the relevant bits from there and populate the dialog im yet to create | 01:42 |
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| frals | and if there is no apn select in fmms settings it should fetch it from /etc/operator_settings | 01:42 |
| frals | sounds fun eh? | 01:43 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonably expected obviously not trivial | 01:43 |
| frals | its really easy, which is why its so boring | 01:43 |
| lardman | perhaps not the sort of thing to start at this time of night | 01:43 |
| lardman | I can't be bothered to start some work I was planning to do | 01:44 |
| lardman | in which case I should just go to bed | 01:44 |
| lardman | ~curse drinking caffeine in the evening | 01:44 |
| frals | lardman: plan is to be up as late as possible so im absolutely knackered tomorrow when im suppose to learn more about cache memories and what not | 01:44 |
| lardman | :) | 01:44 |
| lcuk | blame it on iceland | 01:44 |
| lardman | I have a day of testing tomorrow | 01:44 |
| lardman | yes, blame iceland, indeed | 01:45 |
| lcuk | today has been a testing day for me also | 01:45 |
| lcuk | and will continue tomorrow too | 01:45 |
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| lardman | IR cameras too? ;) | 01:45 |
| woglinde_ | testing waht? | 01:45 |
| frals | i made a cup of tea but i think i made some green tea shit without caffeine :( | 01:45 |
| lardman | detection caps for IR cameras | 01:45 |
| lardman | s/caps/capabilities | 01:46 |
| frals | nice lcuk, lardman, experienced testers, sounds like you are the perfect two candidates for fmms testing ;D | 01:46 |
| lardman | well perhaps, my wife laughs at the fact the N900 doesn't have MMS out of the box ;) | 01:46 |
| frals | only requirement currently is the ability to provide more feedback than "its not working, i got error." | 01:46 |
| lardman | frals: and tbh I couldn't get it to work last time I tried, so gave up then | 01:46 |
| lardman | mine just didn't do anything, no error | 01:47 |
| lcuk | yea frals :) hell of a lot further than we were 6 months ago tho :) | 01:47 |
| FIQ | [00:47:54] <frals> only requirement currently is the ability to provide more feedback than "its not working, i got error." | 01:47 |
| frals | wow even my irc client is tired, took a second for the beep to get here from the highlight | 01:47 |
| lardman | FIQ: at least the error is gone now hey? ;) | 01:47 |
| FIQ | heh, would be fun to test if i actually sent mms | 01:47 |
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| frals | lcuk: hehe, been quite a journey so far ;) | 01:48 |
| frals | need to start filtering my email and move all mails including 'fmms.log' to another folder as my inbox is a mess :) | 01:48 |
| * lcuk raises a glass to maemo | 01:48 | |
| lardman | cheers! | 01:48 |
| * frals steals the glass and hopes its beer in it, cheers! | 01:48 | |
| lcuk | hah | 01:49 |
| lcuk | frals is fmms on git yet | 01:49 |
| frals | he | 01:49 |
| frals | its been for err | 01:49 |
| frals | 3 months i think | 01:49 |
| frals | http://gitorious.org/fmms | 01:49 |
| lcuk | yeah i get distracted | 01:49 |
| lcuk | its healthcheck thats not | 01:49 |
| frals | Monday January 25 2010 frals created project fMMS \o/ | 01:50 |
| lcuk | :) | 01:50 |
| FIQ | hmmm... | 01:50 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders why git | 01:50 | |
| frals | was talking to a tester today, turns out my magic-wizbang-script to do some routing stuff shouldnt have been working at all | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | nvm | 01:51 |
| FIQ | would it be theoretical possible to port (super)tyxkart for maemo? | 01:51 |
| FIQ | with u, even | 01:51 |
| frals | was pretty interesting as running the code manually didnt work but in the script it did for some reason, v. confusing | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | frals, sure it's not just the beer kicking into action? :P | 01:52 |
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| frals | hehe, not had a drink for a week ;P | 01:52 |
| frals | not much incoming from coding for free for some reason so had to cut back ;) | 01:53 |
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| MohammadAG | oh so you haven't walked to lardman's yet :P | 01:53 |
| frals | nope, hes holding back on me i think | 01:53 |
| lardman | might need to swim, I do live in Bath after all ;) | 01:53 |
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| frals | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Stockholm,+Sweden&daddr=Bath,+England&hl=en&geocode=FbRYiQMdaKQTASk9q5g0igfYRTF3AI__dNDnng%3BFbQEEAMdMgfc_ykt4T50pnhxSDEJmm3W0CeLEw&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=55.12369,7.855875&sspn=10.921519,33.969727&ie=UTF8&ll=55.40407,10.854492&spn=10.846508,33.969727&t=h&z=5 | 01:54 |
| frals | should maybe have shortened that link... | 01:54 |
| lardman | lol | 01:55 |
| lardman | good Lord, 6 days and 17 hours to do 2,803km | 01:55 |
| lardman | my arse | 01:55 |
| lardman | pardon my French | 01:55 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, at least his N900 will company him on the way | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | oh wait... :P | 01:56 |
| lardman | oh I suppose it uses the ferry, so perhaps doable | 01:56 |
| frals | yeah for the first 24hrs until the battery is run dry | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> oh wait... :P | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 01:56 |
| MohammadAG | frals, you could take a battery belt | 01:57 |
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| lardman | well frals, if you do rock up in 6 days and 17 hours I'll make sure there's some beers in the fridge for you, and some for your feet too! | 01:57 |
| lcuk | wow directions from manchester to stockholm are worse frals lardman | 01:57 |
| lcuk | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=stockholm&daddr=manchester&geocode=FbRYiQMdaKQTASk9q5g0igfYRTF3AI__dNDnng%3BFQgNMAMd-Ofd_ynb9SZSTE16SDGqa_4EOBS-2Q&hl=en&mra=ls&dirflg=w&sll=56.022948,11.337891&sspn=17.764561,39.506836&ie=UTF8&ll=55.652798,10.942383&spn=17.931735,39.506836&t=h&z=5 | 01:57 |
| frals | lol lardman | 01:57 |
| w00t_ | facebrick users: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=612725&postcount=331 | 01:58 |
| frals | lol loving the ferry from england to nederlands and then back again | 01:58 |
| lardman | lcuk: lol | 01:58 |
| lcuk | i have to bypass amsterdam | 01:58 |
| MohammadAG | i remember when google said swim across the atlantic ocean | 01:58 |
| lardman | almost as my coming to the Amsterdam summit, needing to fly from Berlin to London then back to Amsterdam | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | asked for directions from the UK to new york | 01:59 |
| lardman | yeah, says something about swimming iirc | 01:59 |
| lcuk | yeah lardman | 01:59 |
| lcuk | anyway, im gonna beat lardman tonight | 01:59 |
| lcuk | gnite chaps \o | 01:59 |
| frals | http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/icelands_disruptive_volcano.html some nice pics of the volcano | 01:59 |
| frals | gnite lcuk o/ | 01:59 |
| lardman | night lcuk | 01:59 |
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| lardman | MohammadAG: I think they've fixed that feature | 02:00 |
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| MohammadAG | nn lcuk | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, why, i liked it :P | 02:00 |
| lardman | just tried and it won't route from e.g. London to NY | 02:00 |
| lardman | MohammadAG: :) | 02:00 |
| * MohammadAG sues google | 02:00 | |
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| lardman | hey Dave | 02:01 |
| * lardman heads for bed | 02:04 | |
| lardman | night all | 02:04 |
| frals | nn | 02:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | users interested in this channel also checked the following products: http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-chronos.html | 02:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.msp430.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos?DCMP=Chronos&HQS=Other+OT+chronoswiki | 02:11 |
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| woglinde_ | damn watchdog | 02:11 |
| dmj726 | You know, there are nearly a thousand apps in extras, testing, and devel? | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | where's the dog? that's a wristwatch XP | 02:12 |
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| woglinde_ | *sigh* even with rd-flags disbaled | 02:13 |
| woglinde_ | it kicks in | 02:13 |
| javispedro | but does it run linux? | 02:13 |
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| * MohammadAG_ needs a hibernate function | 02:16 | |
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| MohammadAG | dump ram, shutdown, turn on, restore ram | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no, but it does blend ;-P | 02:16 |
| MohammadAG | the N900 blends? | 02:17 |
| dmj726 | I was surprised that there were that many applications in our repositories. | 02:17 |
| dmj726 | I would have guessed 500 at most. | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | why I need a hibernate function: | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | you'll find out in 5 minutes | 02:17 |
| MohammadAG | battery.reporting.current = 5 (0x5) (int) | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | How can TI sell the eZ430-Chronos for only US$49? | 02:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | The eZ430-Chronos kit is intended to be an attractive development kit and is not intended to be a consumer product. Texas Instruments and the partner companies are sponsoring components or services to increase the accessibility of flexible and innovative development systems to a broader audience. Consumer products usually retail for higher prices. | 02:17 |
| javispedro | it does not look like an expensive watch. | 02:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well it looks pretty much like a watch, given it's a MSP430 uC devel kit | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4k RAM 32k flash | 02:26 |
| GAN900 | Damn, where's lbt when you have an answer to his question. | 02:26 |
| GAN900 | Timeline for arch discussion seems to be the November Summit | 02:26 |
| javispedro | it would be much interesting with a ~ 64x64 matrix lcd (and much expensive and with less battery life, though) | 02:26 |
| GAN900 | low batt | 02:27 |
| GAN900 | going down, brb | 02:27 |
| javispedro | hehe | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm ok, specs say 96 segment display | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | javispedro: actually with 44GPIO it's a bit hard to drive a 64^2, without additional driver chips etc | 02:28 |
| javispedro | 9 digits x 7 + some symbols (I guess) << 96 segments | 02:28 |
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| javispedro | yeah, maybe 64² too much | 02:29 |
| dneary | hi all | 02:29 |
| javispedro | hi | 02:29 |
| Robot101 | dneary: o/ | 02:29 |
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| javispedro | oh, pressure sensor. | 02:30 |
| dneary | Robot101, \o/ | 02:30 |
| GAN900 | Back | 02:30 |
| javispedro | altimeter alone could be an interesting usecase for some | 02:30 |
| javispedro | GAN900: interesting stuff? | 02:31 |
| * Robot101 still wants to port MeeGo to his free Nexus One | 02:31 | |
| GAN900 | javispedro, eeeeh | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | problem is all of the kernel drivers use the Android kernel bonghits like wakelocks and new device model :( | 02:31 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, you here? | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | yeah | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | No shit? Where? | 02:32 |
| * Robot101 is sitting next to dneary | 02:32 | |
| GAN900 | Where the hell did Dave get off to? | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | aha! | 02:32 |
| Robot101 | GAN900: oh! that was you at lunch :) hi | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | Well now. ;) | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | lol | 02:32 |
| Myrtti | ohai Robot101 _o/ | 02:32 |
| GAN900 | Howdy. | 02:32 |
| Robot101 | I thought your name was familiar :) | 02:33 |
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| GAN900 | Hehe | 02:33 |
| Myrtti | Robot101: what was the weather like at Cambridge? | 02:33 |
| * javispedro thinks all those sci-fi authors fans of vr worlds should see this very channel | 02:33 | |
| GAN900 | lol | 02:33 |
| Robot101 | Myrtti: I'm in San Francisco at the Collab summit too | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | javispedro, N900 makes magic possible. | 02:34 |
| GAN900 | Robot101, yeah, Myrtti two chairs to my left. :P | 02:34 |
| javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV7xWMmI1PQ | 02:34 |
| Myrtti | Robot101: yup, but you've probably been to Cambridge not that long ago, I've been here for a month now | 02:34 |
| Robot101 | Myrtti: Collabora just joined the Linux Foundation, we thought we should show up :) | 02:34 |
| Myrtti | Robot101: whoo | 02:35 |
| Myrtti | need to poke my boss about that too | 02:35 |
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| GAN900 | Everybody's doing it these days. | 02:35 |
| Myrtti | yeah, it's the new black | 02:35 |
| Robot101 | need to see if we can maintain tp, gstreamer, dbus and stuff in meego | 02:35 |
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| ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, pong? | 02:39 |
| ShadowJK | oh | 02:39 |
| dmj726 | cehteh: what do you think about the Lightworks news? | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | now this channel is real madness - LOL | 02:39 |
| * ShadowJK should complete bq27200.sh, make bq24150.sh, and maybe bme_replacedbyashellscript.sh | 02:40 | |
| ShadowJK | and then rewrite in C | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: actually that'd help a lot as long as Stskeeps is at Nokia talking to BME nerds about opening up stuff | 02:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm off for a short beer now. Let's throw on a heap all we think we know later on (or tomorrow). OK? | 02:44 |
| ShadowJK | ok | 02:44 |
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| ShadowJK | I'm actually at work now, can't irc much :) | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | IC | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and I'm usually awake anothe r few hours, so cya l8er | 02:45 |
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| * ShadowJK discovers why his n900 was using abnormal amounts of power | 02:45 | |
| ShadowJK | someone was doing bruteforce ssh user/pass attack... | 02:46 |
| pronto | someone was trying to bruteforce into your phone? | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | been playing with leds | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | if you set two colours to one engine | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | at full pwm | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | and the other colour that's left to the 2nd one | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | at 0 pwm | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | you'd get a different colour (or same colour with different brightness) | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | purple turns pink in this case | 02:49 |
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| MohammadAG | weird yellow also works | 02:50 |
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| ShadowJK | pronto, yep | 02:53 |
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| pronto | rofl | 02:53 |
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| ShadowJK | Imagine if they'd gotten in, tried to wget their rootkit and met with ENOSPC | 02:55 |
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| javispedro | then did df -h | 02:59 |
| javispedro | only to die of old age before the pymaemo bind mounts listing ends | 02:59 |
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| cehteh | dmj726_n900: no code yet, only windows, 20 years old codebase (32 bit, poor smp?), lots of 3rd party licensed stuff which must be removed, looking at their specs a lot things are hardcoded | 03:18 |
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| crashanddie | yooooooooo | 04:53 |
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| b-man | crashanddie: yo | 05:24 |
| _ToArtist_ | ???? | 05:24 |
| crashanddie | Hottentottententententoonstellingsmakersopleidingsprogramma | 05:24 |
| b-man | O_o | 05:24 |
| b-man | crashanddie: you ok? xD | 05:25 |
| crashanddie | That's one word, in dutch | 05:25 |
| b-man | oh shi- | 05:25 |
| _ToArtist_ | ???? | 05:26 |
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| b-man | _ToArtist_: yup, it's random hour | 05:26 |
| yuizy_ | epäjärjestelmällistyttämättömyydelläänsäkäänköpähän is said to be the longest finnish non-compound word | 05:27 |
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| _ToArtist_ | How can I slove it | 05:27 |
| b-man | anyone herd of Dragon Fruit? :D | 05:27 |
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| crashanddie | b-man: here's another one: Halfautomatischeautobandenventieldopjesetiketplakmachinehulpreperateur | 05:28 |
| b-man | http://img.alibaba.com/img/buyoffer/101623260/Buy_fresh_dragon_fruit_for_the_French_and_European_market.jpg | 05:28 |
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| fureddo | Hi | 05:29 |
| fureddo | What does PR1.1 means? | 05:29 |
| b-man | crashanddie: imagine having a conversation with those words xD | 05:29 |
| b-man | PR1.1 is a firmware version | 05:29 |
| fureddo | What does PR stands for? | 05:29 |
| fureddo | Do you know? | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | program release? | 05:30 |
| b-man | to be honest, haven't a clue | 05:30 |
| b-man | what DocScrutinizer said | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | or production release or whatever | 05:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | who cares? | 05:31 |
| fureddo | Me :-) | 05:31 |
| fureddo | I was just curious. Of course, it's not that important. | 05:31 |
| crashanddie | production release | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw composite words of any length are just lame. recursive composite words of virtually infinite length are just slightly more braintickling. yuizy_'s longest non composite is funny actually | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | first and second class in Finland must be a hell | 05:41 |
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| crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: stfu | 05:47 |
| jacekowski | with me luck | 05:47 |
| crashanddie | :P | 05:47 |
| jacekowski | i'm going to flash my phone | 05:47 |
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| crashanddie | jacekowski: with you luck? | 05:49 |
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| jacekowski | wish* | 05:52 |
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| jacekowski | support for ext3 or reiser on memory card would be nice | 05:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | what's the problem with ext3 now? | 06:01 |
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| jacekowski | no support in builtin scripts | 06:04 |
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| luke-jr | jacekowski: N8x0 or N900? | 06:09 |
| luke-jr | works fine on N8x0 if you run depmod | 06:09 |
| ShadowJK | works on n900 too, just no automount and random apps think memory card doesn't exist | 06:12 |
| ShadowJK | and camera app outright doesn't work iirc | 06:12 |
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| ShadowJK | in other words, there are vfat assumptions built in all over the place :) | 06:14 |
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| luke-jr | ShadowJK: automount works on N8x0 | 06:19 |
| ShadowJK | iirc the scripts on N900 grep output of fdisk looking specifically for fat partitions, and then try to mount it with -t vfat | 06:20 |
| luke-jr | ugly | 06:20 |
| Macer | cywin ftw | 06:23 |
| Macer | heh | 06:23 |
| Macer | makes for a quick win7 x server | 06:23 |
| Macer | i should see if it has zsh.. doubtful.. but bash is better than cmd | 06:23 |
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| Gh0sty | hello anyone awake/alive here? | 06:28 |
| luke-jr | nop | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | I killed them all | 06:29 |
| luke-jr | you're the only survivor | 06:29 |
| Gh0sty | :) | 06:29 |
| Gh0sty | hm just wondering like if the majority here would be european | 06:29 |
| Gh0sty | or also a lot of american people | 06:29 |
| Gh0sty | it's now 5h30am where I live | 06:30 |
| Gh0sty | so not much people from europe will be online now | 06:30 |
| Gh0sty | perhaps only the die-hards lets say :p | 06:30 |
| Gh0sty | I am going to admit I am not a developer, actually a sysadmin. But I find the phone lacking some really basic functions according to my requirements (and I think according to most peoples requirements) | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | 6.30 where I am :P | 06:31 |
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| Gh0sty | is there a nice guide/howto on how to setup a complete development environment (virtual i guess) | 06:31 |
| ShadowJK | dude, xterm, ssh, openvpn, rsync.. all a sysadmin needs :D | 06:31 |
| Gh0sty | without having the phone itself? | 06:31 |
| Gh0sty | I good friend of mine is a very nice developer, one of the top people I know in the country | 06:32 |
| Gh0sty | I even told him I want to pay but he wants to do it for free | 06:32 |
| Gh0sty | only thing is I'm not going to pay him a phone ofcourse ... :p | 06:32 |
| ShadowJK | the easiest path is probably to use the virtual image | 06:32 |
| Gh0sty | so how to setup a dev environment for him? | 06:32 |
| Gh0sty | he already worked on iphone and other mobile devices before so it's not like he's an amateur :) | 06:33 |
| Gh0sty | virtual image where? | 06:33 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: Maemo is not a phone platform | 06:33 |
| Gh0sty | it has phone functionality also | 06:34 |
| Gh0sty | so i want it to have at least some nice phone features also :) | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | it's a side function | 06:34 |
| Gh0sty | i know | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | it's not meant to be a phone | 06:34 |
| Gh0sty | but my statement goes ... :p | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | my NIT does not have phone capabilities | 06:34 |
| Gh0sty | its just in the spirit of the open source ... | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | at all | 06:34 |
| Gh0sty | i want it cause i can :p | 06:34 |
| luke-jr | Maemo is not open source | 06:34 |
| ShadowJK | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html | 06:34 |
| ShadowJK | I guess that's where you download it | 06:34 |
| ShadowJK | or start to | 06:34 |
| ShadowJK | "Developers wanting to use a Microsoft Windows or Apple Mac environment should visit the Maemo SDK Virtual Image or Maemo Application Development and Debugging Environment (MADDE) projects." | 06:35 |
| * ShadowJK uses the Virtual Image on linux too | 06:35 | |
| ShadowJK | setting up the SDK on Fedora is a daylong royal pain in the ass, i'm told | 06:35 |
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| dmj726_n900 | cehteh: it's windows only? | 06:36 |
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| ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide | 06:36 |
| dmj726_n900 | why are the linux news site going crazy then? | 06:36 |
| Gh0sty | ShadowJK: thx a lot | 06:38 |
| Gh0sty | we'll do it on debian or mac probably | 06:38 |
| Gh0sty | the guy uses a mac at work to develop for rhel also :) | 06:39 |
| _ToArtist_ | how to use MADDE | 06:39 |
| Gh0sty | but like he writes code his code is portable over multiple platforms normally :) | 06:39 |
| Gh0sty | a pitty the guy is leaving the company soon but thats due to management :( | 06:39 |
| Gh0sty | can't blame him, thinking to leave myself too | 06:39 |
| Gh0sty | things I would ask him to implement first: | 06:40 |
| Gh0sty | auto-switcher between 2g and 3g | 06:40 |
| ShadowJK | there is one | 06:40 |
| Gh0sty | a wifi module audo unloader when wifi is not in use | 06:40 |
| Gh0sty | auto* | 06:40 |
| Gh0sty | a portrait style unlock screen ... :p | 06:40 |
| luke-jr | you're not supposed to unload modules when not in use ... | 06:41 |
| Gh0sty | possibility to add messages into the "phone like screen" | 06:41 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: i now have an applet which does unload it | 06:41 |
| Gh0sty | and I've read that this should improve battery life a lot | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | shouldn't. | 06:41 |
| luke-jr | if it does, there's a real bug somewhere | 06:41 |
| Gh0sty | not that I notice much difference but my phone is now only lasting a day | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | There's a bug that makes wifi eat lots of power occasionally | 06:42 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: thats just my problem | 06:42 |
| Gh0sty | If i look at the maemo site ... the community | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | iirc turning off "Switch to wlan when available" fixed it for me | 06:42 |
| Gh0sty | you find a ton of "hacks" on how to save power ... | 06:42 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: N900 is only designed to last 6 hours IIRC | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 06:42 |
| Gh0sty | but none of them are officially supported by the people from nokia it seems :P | 06:42 |
| ShadowJK | mine lasts about 16 on the original battery (xchat on 30+ channels online) :P | 06:43 |
| Gh0sty | and with officially supported i mean ... "confirmed to work for all" | 06:43 |
| Gh0sty | ShadowJK: yes but I want to use it also as a phone ... :p | 06:43 |
| Gh0sty | It should last at least a day when used merely as a phone ... | 06:43 |
| ShadowJK | hm | 06:43 |
| Gh0sty | like say 90% of the time it should be just connected to the phone network in standby | 06:44 |
| ShadowJK | My previous phones didn't last more than a day either, so :) | 06:44 |
| Gh0sty | 5% should be 3G surfing | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | my phone dies in a few hours if I use it constantly | 06:44 |
| Gh0sty | and another 5% wifi surfing | 06:44 |
| luke-jr | but then, it's 6 years old or so, so that might be why | 06:44 |
| Gh0sty | think thats a realistic usage pattern from my point of view | 06:44 |
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| Gh0sty | you are from nokia? :p | 06:45 |
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| Gh0sty | since nobody else can have it for that long :) | 06:45 |
| Gh0sty | by any accident none of you guys is the one I spoke to at the UKUUG conference 2 weeks ago? :) | 06:45 |
| ShadowJK | oh wait, the "automatic 2g" thing I saw was some stupid thing that switches from 3g to 2g when on wifi... wtf? | 06:45 |
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| ShadowJK | luke doesn't have an n900 | 06:46 |
| Gh0sty | huh? | 06:46 |
| Gh0sty | ah he still has 820 or so? :) | 06:46 |
| Gh0sty | or 700? | 06:46 |
| Gh0sty | a friend offered me a 700 I think | 06:46 |
| Gh0sty | he has laying around his office | 06:46 |
| Gh0sty | not using any more | 06:46 |
| ShadowJK | He has a N810, and wont get tricked into buying nokia again until they've made an open phone. | 06:46 |
| Gh0sty | but can't run much I guess since 700 is not upgradeable to any recent maemo :) | 06:47 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: 820 doesn't exist | 06:47 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: neither does 700 | 06:47 |
| Gh0sty | what? | 06:47 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: there's the 770 | 06:47 |
| Gh0sty | what do you have | 06:48 |
| crashanddie | also n800 and n810 | 06:48 |
| crashanddie | I have n800, n810 and n900 | 06:48 |
| Gh0sty | ah well then it's a 770 and 810 i wanted to say ... :) | 06:48 |
| * ShadowJK has n800, n810 and n900 too :-) | 06:48 | |
| Gh0sty | lol :) | 06:48 |
| Gh0sty | was considering to buy an 810 | 06:48 |
| ShadowJK | note that 770 has no N, the others are part of N-series | 06:48 |
| Gh0sty | never did it cause it was not a phone | 06:48 |
| Gh0sty | now I have :p | 06:48 |
| Gh0sty | immediatly the 900 | 06:48 |
| Gh0sty | what is the functionallity of the 770 still? | 06:49 |
| Gh0sty | can you surf to flash sites for example? | 06:49 |
| ShadowJK | with 2008HE maybe.. | 06:49 |
| Gh0sty | and how good/open is the sdk there? | 06:49 |
| godrik | Gh0sty: Apple made flash obsolete | 06:49 |
| * godrik giggles | 06:49 | |
| ShadowJK | This is the first good thing apple has done! | 06:49 |
| ShadowJK | I applaud | 06:50 |
| Gh0sty | ShadowJK: i think the guy told me there is the latest firmware on it, even some beta version which never made final or something | 06:50 |
| ShadowJK | I dread upgrading my OS, I have crashproof flash setup right now :( | 06:50 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: did you see my post on tmo about that | 06:50 |
| Gh0sty | I know some peole who know some people who work at nokia ... ;) | 06:50 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, about? | 06:50 |
| godrik | ShadowJK: They did something else before. They taught people computer does not have to be ugly and beige :) | 06:50 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: about how good it is for apple to render flash pointless | 06:50 |
| ShadowJK | ah, no | 06:50 |
| crashanddie | how good it is for everyone | 06:50 |
| Gh0sty | godrik: shut up about apple | 06:50 |
| Gh0sty | i'm a linux guy ... :P | 06:51 |
| Gh0sty | running 99.9% linux whenever I can :) | 06:51 |
| ShadowJK | But yo know, there's enough crap in html5 to bring us back to "agh why is htis so fucking slow still, I have a quad core 3 gigahertz computer!!" | 06:51 |
| Gh0sty | but hey | 06:51 |
| Gh0sty | a girlfriend of mine still wants the ipad ... :p | 06:51 |
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| godrik | ShadowJK: that's progress ShadowJK ! | 06:51 |
| Gh0sty | can't convince here it's crap right now | 06:51 |
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| Gh0sty | but ok she'll find out :) | 06:52 |
| godrik | Gh0sty: that's a nice maxipad ! :) | 06:52 |
| Gh0sty | I have only an ipod nano which i got from work as a gift once | 06:52 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=602042&postcount=23 | 06:52 |
| Gh0sty | meaning to crash it into a wall | 06:52 |
| ShadowJK | I assumed by "auto-switcher" you mean something that switches from 3g to 2g when screen is off, or something, so that you don't kill your battery in 6 hours on SIP/Jabber/MSN/GoogleTalk/IRC/IM/email etc.. | 06:52 |
| Gh0sty | from frustration | 06:52 |
| Gh0sty | ShadowJK: for example | 06:53 |
| Gh0sty | but even better: | 06:53 |
| Gh0sty | if there is no browser or shell open anymore | 06:53 |
| Gh0sty | and it's into phone mode again | 06:53 |
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| luke-jr | Gh0sty: suggest a WePad | 06:53 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: enough with the giggles ... :P | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: seriously | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | or TouchBook | 06:53 |
| luke-jr | they're both superior products | 06:53 |
| Gh0sty | you can't convince people when they are just plain stuborn | 06:54 |
| ShadowJK | I use the 3g/2g/dual mode switch applet/widget (it sits in statusmenu) | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | and its a girl | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | changing girls mind | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: WePad has a webcam. | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | I would need a hammer :p | 06:54 |
| luke-jr | TouchBook has a magnet | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | ShadowJK: me too for now | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | but I want something automatic | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | I'm a sysadmin as said | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | and have the idea | 06:54 |
| crashanddie | gents, please go discuss this in #apple or #defocus | 06:54 |
| Gh0sty | script once, never do again :p | 06:55 |
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| Gh0sty | so I want some auto switcher on that | 06:58 |
| Gh0sty | also 1 nice feature my E65 had (well added through software) | 06:58 |
| Gh0sty | auto-profile switcher | 06:58 |
| Gh0sty | based on a) time b) cell location | 06:58 |
| * ShadowJK wants lower minimum volume :) | 06:58 | |
| Gh0sty | however in the e65 it was not possible to combine a and b | 06:59 |
| Gh0sty | I want this to be fixed here | 06:59 |
| Gh0sty | so for example: | 06:59 |
| Gh0sty | when i am at home (location) and it's 10pm (time) go to profile 'silent' or even offline | 06:59 |
| Gh0sty | when i'm not at home ... stay on profile general | 07:00 |
| Gh0sty | when i'm leaving home switch on bluetooth (i'm probably in the car) | 07:00 |
| Gh0sty | when i'm arriving at work switch off bluetooth | 07:00 |
| ShadowJK | oh I'd want something that automatically goes to completely silent/novibrate at work where there's an official "no phones" policy :P | 07:00 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: that has been rejected | 07:01 |
| Gh0sty | so in the end: multiple profiles (already have those now sorta with an applet called tweakr) | 07:01 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: EU asked for it, and it never took, sadly | 07:01 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: though it would be easily implementable... Just have a BT-like emitor that sends a "No phones here please" signal | 07:01 |
| Gh0sty | ah yes and another example which i had setup at my previous phone for example ... | 07:02 |
| Gh0sty | i tagged the cells inside the cinema where i go to regularly | 07:02 |
| Gh0sty | when i arrive at the cinema my phone goes to vibrate only | 07:02 |
| Gh0sty | this is what i mean with the "basic phone functionality" i am looking for | 07:02 |
| Gh0sty | thats where i want this device to make a difference for me in my everyday life :) | 07:03 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, yes well, checking CellID to see if I'm near work, and setting phone to silent/novibrate would do. I just want it to not ring when I have phone in a place where I'm not supposed to have it ;) | 07:03 |
| Gh0sty | just automate things a bit so i don't need to bother about it | 07:03 |
| Gh0sty | and i even want to pay to get this fixed ... :) | 07:03 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: what would stop me from carrying a "no phones here" transmitter? :P | 07:03 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: nothing, and ought to be your right too, right? | 07:04 |
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| Gh0sty | hehe the idea alone :) | 07:04 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: if I don't want some jackass to scream HELLLOOOO in my ear while I'm on the train | 07:04 |
| Gh0sty | but you think what i put up here is outrageous ? :P | 07:04 |
| Gh0sty | this is the stuff i'm looking for :) | 07:04 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: code it? | 07:05 |
| Gh0sty | that the phone lasts for a day and the above few things ... | 07:05 |
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| Gh0sty | crashanddie: i'm not a coder but as said a friend is willing to help :) | 07:05 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: Open Source isn't "I WANT >THIS< CODE PLZ" | 07:05 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I have a right to silence the phones of everyone around me? | 07:05 |
| Gh0sty | thats why i asked nicely above how to get the SDK up and running | 07:05 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: in my opinion? Yeah | 07:05 |
| Gh0sty | just putting my toughts here | 07:05 |
| crashanddie | Open Source is: start working on an idea, "If you build it they will come" | 07:05 |
| ShadowJK | Trains here have soundproof booths with a big sign with the picture of a cellphone. You're supposed to go there if you get a call, so you can talk without disturbing the other passengers | 07:06 |
| crashanddie | Doesn't necessarily mean code though, can also be framework/architecture | 07:06 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: but I am actually surprised that for a +500 eur phone i have to 'hire' a guy to have basic functions i would expect from any phone | 07:06 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: there's your problem "you expect" | 07:06 |
| Gh0sty | but as said ... I will fix it | 07:07 |
| crashanddie | Commercial products aren't based around "expectations", it's your job to buy whatever you want/need. | 07:07 |
| Gh0sty | you have a threatening tone man ... I'm just putting my toughts here ... | 07:07 |
| Gh0sty | have some respect please :/ | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | [23:03:49] <Gh0sty> and i even want to pay to get this fixed ... :) <-- this is the spirit of open source :) | 07:07 |
| ShadowJK | hm... based on a 10 minute current consumption average, I'd get 4 hours of xchat + media player streaming 128kbit AAC over EDGE on N900 :) | 07:07 |
| crashanddie | if it says on the box "does this", and it doesn't, then I absolutely agree with you, however, as far as I'm aware, it didn't. | 07:07 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: again, it's not a phone | 07:08 |
| Gh0sty | ok but as i said ... I want to use it as a phone also | 07:08 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: in the UK it's the other way around, specific cars have a no-phones policy | 07:08 |
| Gh0sty | I know it is and can be so much more ... but I expect it also to be my phone :p | 07:08 |
| crashanddie | I'd love to use my toaster as a microwave | 07:08 |
| Gh0sty | otherwise it's a bit stupid to carry 2 devices around :) | 07:08 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: fine, but you want to repurpose it. that is your job. | 07:08 |
| Gh0sty | as said: I do because I can :p | 07:09 |
| luke-jr | it's not "more than a phone". it's a computer that your particular model happens to have phone capabilities | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | also part of the "open source" spirit :p | 07:09 |
| ShadowJK | lol | 07:09 |
| crashanddie | I know my toaster is a toaster and can be so much more ... but I expect also to be my microwave :P | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | this is my point of view also on linux in general: | 07:09 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, there's a toaster that runs NetBSD | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | It should do what I want, not what the system wants :) | 07:09 |
| Gh0sty | Just because I can :p | 07:10 |
| crashanddie | ShadowJK: quite a few microwaves run BSD actually | 07:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: take your pills! | 07:10 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: fine, but you are responsible for making it do it :) | 07:10 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: god I'd love that | 07:10 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: though computers still don't have the ability to read minds | 07:10 |
| Gh0sty | and I think the device has the potential ... only will have to fix it myself :) | 07:10 |
| crashanddie | so in order for it to do what you want, you need to tell it | 07:10 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, actually, OCZ make a neural sensor | 07:10 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: well if it comes close enough to what I want I'm happy :p | 07:10 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: fairy nuff | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: learn python, seriously | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: you'll love it | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | ... | 07:11 |
| Gh0sty | btw any official nokia people ever visit this channel? :) | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | I hate Python | 07:11 |
| Gh0sty | supposed to know some of them ... | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: http://xkcd.com/353/ | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: crashanddie is sortof official nokia IIRC | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | eh? | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | since when? | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | I didn't get that memo | 07:11 |
| luke-jr | since you have +o ? | 07:11 |
| crashanddie | nha | 07:12 |
| Gh0sty | crashanddie: i know xkcd and python is on my shortlist on things to learn | 07:12 |
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| crashanddie | weee, luke-jr is official nokia now | 07:12 |
| Gh0sty | when i have "the time" (the big obscure thing which gets sucked into black holes) | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | Perl > Python | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: that's cheating | 07:12 |
| ShadowJK | Gh0sty, people that work for Nokia visit here | 07:12 |
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| luke-jr | hmm | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | I should have kicked Stskeeps while I had the chance | 07:12 |
| luke-jr | <.< | 07:12 |
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| ShadowJK | Gh0sty, though rarely "as official Nokia representatives" | 07:13 |
| crashanddie | ~ping | 07:13 |
| infobot | ~pong | 07:13 |
| Gh0sty | well there is a guy working there we call him p2 which is one of the developers I hear :) | 07:13 |
| Gh0sty | he's also from belgium originally | 07:13 |
| crashanddie | wow, 10 seconds ping | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: it's on your side | 07:13 |
| ShadowJK | And then we have various people who get paid by nokia for various things | 07:13 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: I only saw 2 seconds | 07:13 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: I'm using webchat | 07:13 |
| Gh0sty | but ok I will have a look at the sdk | 07:13 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: you from belgium bru? | 07:13 |
| Gh0sty | hope my friend can teach me a bit | 07:14 |
| Gh0sty | yes i am from belgium | 07:14 |
| Gh0sty | not brussels | 07:14 |
| Gh0sty | but rather near gent if that tells you something :p | 07:14 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: ja, gent ken ik :) | 07:14 |
| ShadowJK | "The nia™ PC Game Controller frees your hands from commonly used game controls to experience true game immersion. By translating facial expressions, eye movements and concentrated brainwave activity into PC game keyboard and mouse controls, nia opens new." | 07:14 |
| Gh0sty | lol you from belgium too? :P | 07:14 |
| Gh0sty | or what? :) | 07:14 |
| ShadowJK | "concentrated brainwave activity" :) | 07:14 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: yeah, only lived there for 14 years though, then moved to france, uk, and now australia | 07:15 |
| Gh0sty | ShadowJK: i'd opt for a matrix style plug in my head (well a bit more fancy for the ladies :P ) | 07:15 |
| luke-jr | ShadowJK: http://xkcd.com/728/ | 07:15 |
| Gh0sty | woow thats nice crashanddie :P | 07:15 |
| Gh0sty | you're a globalist | 07:15 |
| Gh0sty | but i really like belgium | 07:15 |
| Gh0sty | it's nice :) | 07:15 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: m'n familie is van vlaanderen (een beetje overal), maar ik ben altijd naar waalse schoolen gegaan | 07:15 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: dus heb nooit nederlands geleerd, alleen maar door het te praten met familie (dus ik maak verschrikelijk veel fouten wanneer ik nederlands typ ;)) | 07:16 |
| Gh0sty | then i should congratulate you, your dutch is better than most people from the french part of belgium and especially after such a long time :) | 07:16 |
| Gh0sty | absoluut niet, mijn frans (geschreven althans) is veel slechter dan jouw nederlands | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | Wel I usually don't have issues speaking dutch, it's just writing that's a bitch | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | especially when it comes to "dt" | 07:17 |
| Gh0sty | voor derest ben ik 3 talig (nederlands/frans/engels) | 07:17 |
| Gh0sty | haha lol | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | but then again, most natives struggle with dt too, so I'm too bothered :P | 07:17 |
| Gh0sty | yes that dt rule ... not easy for none native dutch people :) | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | s/ too/ not too/ | 07:17 |
| infobot | crashanddie meant: but then again, most natives struggle with dt not too, so I'm too bothered :P | 07:17 |
| Gh0sty | oh well thats not so important :) | 07:17 |
| crashanddie | feck, failwhale | 07:18 |
| crashanddie | ~useless | 07:18 |
| Gh0sty | lol | 07:18 |
| * infobot starts crying and hides from crashanddie in the darkest corner of the room. :( | 07:18 | |
| Gh0sty | i know what you mean :) | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | ~botsnack | 07:18 |
| infobot | luke-jr: :) | 07:18 |
| luke-jr | ~lart crashanddie | 07:18 |
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| crashanddie | infobot: you need to start reading thoughts | 07:18 |
| Gh0sty | but you work for nokia really? | 07:19 |
| Gh0sty | or you just a fan ;- | 07:19 |
| Gh0sty | 0 | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | Stskeeps gets paid by Nokia, at least | 07:19 |
| Gh0sty | or thats on a need to know basis :P | 07:19 |
| luke-jr | but I think he's "officially" not an employee | 07:19 |
| crashanddie | he's a contractor | 07:19 |
| crashanddie | works for the community | 07:20 |
| crashanddie | paid for by nokia | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | thats cool | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | nokia has the right spirit on that :/ | 07:20 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: lick my shoes, the community wants it. | 07:20 |
| luke-jr | LOL | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | wish more companies were like that :/ | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | paying people to develop open source | 07:20 |
| ShadowJK | crashanddie, you have to ask the council first | 07:20 |
| Gh0sty | I even have trouble sometimes to get documentation validated to be published to the outside world ... | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | its my way of doing something back for the community ... I work in 'secure' environment ... | 07:21 |
| Gh0sty | and they like to maintain security by obscurity .... | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | meaning if i publish something it should be done that it's not traceable where it comes from. who created it exactly and so on ... :/ | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | so not getting much credits anywhere but as long as i can ... | 07:22 |
| Gh0sty | but ok, since I have insomnia I was awake at 5am local time | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | ... | 07:23 |
| Gh0sty | now it's 6h20 | 07:23 |
| Gh0sty | time to get up, take a shower and go to work ... | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | meaning you have a NDA that you've just publicly on record said you're willing to violate | 07:23 |
| luke-jr | or the company really just doesn't want credit for their work? | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | to put the time I gain from not sleeping into some good use ... | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | luke-jr: I don't have an NDA | 07:24 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: if only you knew how many documents I sent to wikileaks ;) | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | but in european contracts it says "everything you invent here or create here is owned by the company" | 07:24 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: ... | 07:24 |
| Gh0sty | I invent nothing in fact, I just beta/alfa test stuff, document it for the company | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | Gh0sty: so just infringing on their copyrights | 07:25 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: note that the statement above is absolutely useless legally. | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | and make a copy of the documentation with no specifics and the company information ofcourse removed ... | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | crashanddie: :) | 07:25 |
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| Gh0sty | let that get approved by the company head first ... | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | and then publish that online ... | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | usually on the wiki or something of the project in question | 07:25 |
| luke-jr | o.O | 07:25 |
| Gh0sty | but I usually hand it over to someone else from the project to publish it | 07:26 |
| Gh0sty | so it does not come from me officially | 07:26 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: there's also a lot of marketing done by allowing specific details to be leaked | 07:26 |
| luke-jr | i c | 07:26 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: Apple is one prime example of that, but Microsoft does the same, BMW, and NASA, to name a few | 07:26 |
| crashanddie | luke-jr: usually it's in the form of going to one of the (trusted) employees, giving him a pre-approved list of information, a few untruths, and a few plausible things, and telling him "Why don't you go have lunch with your friend from <insert website/newspaper here>" | 07:28 |
| Gh0sty | well not that strict maybe, I don't work for nasa | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | but try to maintain that | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | same goes for my nickname ... | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | try to seperate that completely from my realname as much as possible | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | seen security audits at our company | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | where they start digging through facebook, linkedin, other social sites | 07:29 |
| Gh0sty | tracing how much information can we find based on dns records, ripe contacts, things which are on our website | 07:30 |
| Gh0sty | it's amazing actually | 07:30 |
| crashanddie | Gh0sty: but to answer your question, no, I don't work for Nokia, I'm a security expert (or at least, used to until I resigned last month) specialised in PKI, payment and authentication systems, I'm moving back to Europe in a couple of weeks. | 07:30 |
| Gh0sty | they found pictures, names, even schools of the children of our CCO and stuff ... | 07:30 |
| Gh0sty | oh really :) | 07:31 |
| Gh0sty | security is one of my 'hobbies also' :P | 07:31 |
| Gh0sty | and actually then i'm not so far from your job ;) | 07:31 |
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| Gh0sty | but anyway gtg | 07:33 |
| Gh0sty | get outta bed and do some work | 07:33 |
| Gh0sty | be back later maybe from work but due to the amount of workload currently (doing a followup of 5 projects and 30 ongoing things and that does not include daily operations ...) | 07:34 |
| Gh0sty | I doubt that I will have much time to get on irc during the day :) | 07:35 |
| Gh0sty | rather this evening if i'm not on a terrace (its actually quite nice weather here the last week ... sunny but not too warm, i like it!) | 07:35 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: The way it works is that a senior exec will come in and say, "We need to release this specific information. John, do you have a trusted friend at a major outlet? If so, call him/her and have a conversation. Idly mention this information and suggest that if it were published, that would be nice. No e-mails!" | 07:36 |
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| crashanddie | luke-jr: http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/how_apple_does_controlled_leaks/ | 07:37 |
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| RST38h | EHLO all | 08:07 |
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| crashanddie | HELO RST38h | 08:13 |
| FIQ | ehlo all | 08:13 |
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| * RST38h still getting Facebook invites from unknown people. WTF? Is it some advertising scam from Facebook? | 08:23 | |
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| crashanddie | RST38h: nope, facebook scrapes email accounts, so if you were on an email chain once, they have your email address and can "send you an invite" | 08:26 |
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| crashanddie | I predict that the more people use facebook, the more those who don't want to use facebook will receive invite emails (once your email is attached to a facebook account I suspect you don't get those emails anymore), eventually generating more spam from facebook than spam itself | 08:28 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: remember that cute girl you gave your email address to? She sent you a few chains, with you and all her buddies (and coincidentally, all the emails of all the guys who tried to pick her up like you) in the "TO" header. | 08:29 |
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| * RST38h has not given addresses to any cute girls | 08:29 | |
| crashanddie | I tend to reply: "So, out of all the guys who gave this bitch your email address, how many got some tang?" | 08:29 |
| RST38h | But, you are saying it is Facebook itself spamming me from the names of imaginary friends? | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | I tend to be removed from the list pretty quickly | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | yup, but it's doing it on their behalf, they are asking facebook to do it | 08:30 |
| RST38h | Why would they? | 08:30 |
| RST38h | to spam me more? | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | not you specifically | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | they just give their gmail account username and password to facebook | 08:30 |
| crashanddie | and say "INVITE/ADD ALL MY CONTACTS" | 08:31 |
| * RST38h is not seeing how this works | 08:31 | |
| RST38h | Ah... | 08:31 |
| RST38h | Now I see | 08:31 |
| Surfa | you can prevent fb from sedning any emails | 08:31 |
| crashanddie | No, they don't respect it. | 08:31 |
| Surfa | it's not very difficult if you browse the settings | 08:31 |
| Surfa | yes they do | 08:31 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:31 |
| * RST38h has no Facebook account, hence no setting to browse | 08:31 | |
| amjad | morning | 08:32 |
| RST38h | moorning Stskeeps | 08:32 |
| Surfa | fb is simply not generating emails if you have forbidden it | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: but for that you need to have an account with them | 08:32 |
| Corsac | hey there | 08:32 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: all the mailing lists keep getting facebook invites, even though a few people have clicked on the "I don't want to receive facebook emails anymore" | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | Corsac: there's no 2.6.32/.33 on TByet is there? | 08:33 |
| Surfa | ... | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: they do it on a per-language base | 08:33 |
| Corsac | Stskeeps: they're working on it | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: if you say "no thank you" to the french facebook, english facebook will still send you spam | 08:33 |
| crashanddie | etc, etc | 08:33 |
| Corsac | actually I lunched with gregoire tuesday :) | 08:34 |
| Surfa | and how many language variants are your friends using? | 08:34 |
| Surfa | 100? | 08:34 |
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| Corsac | but -pm branch isn't really stable yet afaiui | 08:34 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: does it matter? They shouldn't be spamming me ffs | 08:34 |
| Surfa | whine whine | 08:34 |
| Surfa | hope it makes you feel much better | 08:34 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: in case of a mailing list, that can be quite a lot. There's chinese people, russian, english, french, dutch, german, etc | 08:34 |
| Surfa | clicking twice instead of once is so huge difference that it must be worth complaining | 08:35 |
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| crashanddie | Stop trolling in favour of facebook, thanks | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie: are you silencing people opposing your views again? | 08:36 |
| RST38h | Fight! Fight! | 08:36 |
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| crashanddie | sorry | 08:36 |
| * RST38h gets some popcorn | 08:36 | |
| crashanddie | oy, that command didn't work | 08:37 |
| crashanddie | ah, there it is | 08:37 |
| crashanddie | sorry, lag | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | you -really- have a problem, don't you? :P | 08:37 |
| crashanddie | yeah | 08:37 |
| * Stskeeps goes do work | 08:37 | |
| crashanddie | X-Fade: you ought to remove me from the operator list, really | 08:37 |
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| Stskeeps | i think you can be a good op, just wondering about some of your actions | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:37 |
| Surfa | \o/ how constructive this is again | 08:37 |
| Surfa | how surprising that crashanddie is the one | 08:38 |
| crashanddie | I am The One? | 08:38 |
| crashanddie | wooohoooo \o/ | 08:38 |
| dmj726_n900 | Who would be interested in having glutter-box2d packaged for the n900? | 08:38 |
| slonopotamus | The Chosen One? | 08:38 |
| crashanddie | slonopotamus: nope, just The One | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | dmj726_n900: what is it's purpose | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:38 |
| crashanddie | its | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | true, true | 08:39 |
| * Stskeeps needs coffee | 08:39 | |
| Surfa | "stop trolling in favor of facebook" please.. what kind of comment is that? how about "stop trolling against the facebook" ? | 08:39 |
| dmj726_n900 | it is clutter (a graphics library) tied to the box-2d physics engine. | 08:39 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: just don't say people whine when they are stating an obvious issue, it's all I'm asking. It may not be a problem to you, but please understand it can be an issue to others | 08:39 |
| Surfa | you need to be objective | 08:40 |
| crashanddie | well, email costs money, believe it or not | 08:40 |
| crashanddie | and just because one service is popular for a couple of years means that everyone should get the noise | 08:40 |
| crashanddie | My professional email is riddled with facebook spam, continuously, I'm getting an average of 5-10 facebook emais *a day* | 08:41 |
| crashanddie | And yes, I've clicked quite a few times, they just don't respect my wishes | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, you are a popular guy :P | 08:41 |
| crashanddie | Stskeeps: nha, I just gave my business card to the wrong people :P | 08:41 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: that is what procmail is for | 08:42 |
| crashanddie | RST38h: I don't control my corporate email | 08:42 |
| Surfa | money? ok, how much money do you pay per received email, compared to case if you didn't receive them? | 08:42 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: you direct all email from facebook.com to as many facebook corpse addresses as you can find | 08:42 |
| crashanddie | corpse addresse? | 08:42 |
| crashanddie | that's morbid :P | 08:42 |
| RST38h | crashanddie: corporates => corpses | 08:43 |
| Surfa | haahaa, just like you didn't understand the corpse word | 08:43 |
| RST38h | a handy abbreviation, (C)Peter Watts I suppose | 08:43 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: no, it's satire | 08:43 |
| Surfa | satire is fun when you're not overusing it | 08:43 |
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| dmj726_n900 | I ported clutter-box2d but I'm debating wether to package it and submit to extras-devel. | 08:44 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: when I'm abroad, roaming? Roughly .2 gbp _per email_. And the time it takes me? Seconds, but multiply that by the whole workforce across the globe, and you get wasted money. | 08:44 |
| dmj726_n900 | http://vimeo.com/2899944 | 08:45 |
| crashanddie | Surfa: anyway, now you're really becoming a troll, picking on absolutely everything I say, so, first warning before you get a 24h ban, understood? | 08:45 |
| Surfa | that's not quite the formula you can use for count the price of an email | 08:45 |
| crashanddie | if you wish to yell at me, sure, but please do it in PM | 08:45 |
| crashanddie | thanks | 08:46 |
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| TigerTael | Surfa, it's still annoying and costs actual money? | 08:46 |
| TigerTael | Just on principle alone it would annoy me. | 08:46 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, just just a way to show you how your behavior appears many other people.. our last discussion was just as productive | 08:46 |
| * RST38h throws some popcorn at Surfa, suggestively | 08:46 | |
| Surfa | but ok, hope you got the point so we can stop this stupid game | 08:47 |
| RST38h | Surfa: You should troll a wider audience rather than simply provoke crashanddie | 08:47 |
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| Surfa | crashanddie, but honestly, how many emails have you declined and how many do you still receive? | 08:47 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Tell us what you think of Apple products or something | 08:47 |
| Macer | hm. if i wanted to output to a log file while keeping something outputting to the term would it be command &> output.log | 08:47 |
| Macer | ? | 08:47 |
| Surfa | crashanddie, fb itself doesn't even have that many language variants so i still find it pretty difficult to believe that it would be remarkable amount of emails | 08:48 |
| dmj726_n900 | Stskeeps: ^ | 08:48 |
| TigerTael | what? | 08:48 |
| Surfa | RST38h, it was discussed earlier.. what do you want to know? :) | 08:49 |
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| RST38h | Surfa: Ah, anything | 08:49 |
| RST38h | Surfa: Everything, even | 08:49 |
| RST38h | And then you can move on to overclocking and how eager you are to try PR1.2 | 08:49 |
| Surfa | they are ok for some things and missing something.. i'll prefer win7 for desktops and any other phone types | 08:49 |
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| Surfa | overclocking is waste of time and pr1.2 is well, who cares, it comes when it's ready | 08:50 |
| Surfa | next? :) | 08:50 |
| RST38h | Surfa <== not being a good sport | 08:51 |
| RST38h | Ok, try something political, palestinians, gay rights, world conspiracy, I dunno... | 08:52 |
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| bullet` | hi room | 08:52 |
| bullet` | whats the discussion :) | 08:52 |
| dmj726_n900 | trolls | 08:53 |
| TigerTael | Thank you for your mail. We have planned some updates and improvements for the OVI Maps Application in N900 with the next upcoming release of maemo5. Ovi Maps on Nokia N900 will support maps and route search functionality, but does not include voice-guided navigation. | 08:53 |
| TigerTael | Best regards, | 08:53 |
| TigerTael | Are vhrist... | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | TigerTael: time to buy sygic | 08:53 |
| TigerTael | Time to become disgruntled. ;/ | 08:53 |
| RST38h | Poor N900 lost all networking overnight =( | 08:53 |
| TigerTael | Stskeeps, Sygic doesn't work in my country. | 08:53 |
| TigerTael | So, why would I buy that? | 08:53 |
| dmj726_n900 | ...I'm also seeing if people are interested in clutter-box2d. | 08:54 |
| Surfa | RST38h, politics is quite difficult to talk as we probably lice in different countries, palestinians are too far away that i would care, gays are ok as long as they don't harass me.. how long do you want to continue? | 08:54 |
| Surfa | i don't like monologs, give some input to get a discussion | 08:54 |
| TigerTael | As it stands, I have no solution for my N900. ;/ | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | TigerTael: what country, btw? | 08:54 |
| Surfa | more provocative your input is more provocative i can get | 08:54 |
| TigerTael | Stskeeps, South Africa | 08:55 |
| RST38h | No, no. definitely not a good sport | 08:55 |
| Surfa | RST38h, you already got that if you want to get me angry you need to try something else :P | 08:56 |
| Surfa | and to be honest, it's pretty impossible in the irc | 08:56 |
| Surfa | i don't really care that much :) | 08:56 |
| dmj726_n900 | the noise in here is tremendous! | 08:57 |
| * RST38h needs to go to work | 08:57 | |
| dmj726_n900 | Stskeeps: who's doing game stuff around here? | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | dmj726_n900: not sure, i'm more on OS side | 08:58 |
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| dmj726_n900 | ok. | 08:59 |
| dmj726_n900 | looks like a useful thing for that kind of stuff. | 08:59 |
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| dmj726_n900 | Noticed a lot of packages are stuck in devel | 09:00 |
| dmj726_n900 | about 700 actually. | 09:01 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: you have to buy sygic! You need to help a poor company to survive in this cruel and competitive world! | 09:01 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: show that you have good faith, buy the software, even if it doesn't work in your company, and if enough people do it, they will add support for your country! | 09:01 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, bah, I don't believe that. ;/ | 09:01 |
| dmj726_n900 | oh woe is Mecorp? | 09:01 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: that, or they may just stop supporting any country in the world, considering that people buy it even if it doesn't work. | 09:01 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, it wouldn't affect me anyways, so why don't you go and buy 5 copies... | 09:02 |
| TigerTael | That should help them. | 09:02 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: I buy a copy every day! | 09:02 |
| TigerTael | :D | 09:02 |
| crashanddie | It's like my newspaper really | 09:02 |
| crashanddie | I buy it everytime I use it | 09:02 |
| TigerTael | That's pretty good eh. ;] | 09:03 |
| crashanddie | So one in the morning, and one in the evening, and a special one on Sunday | 09:03 |
| crashanddie | Man, it's a good thing software companies don't work that way | 09:03 |
| TigerTael | Simone Leggio | 09:04 |
| TigerTael | P.S. May I ask from where you have obtained my contact information? | 09:04 |
| TigerTael | LOL | 09:04 |
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| TigerTael | I only saw that part now. | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | TigerTael: probably slightly worried of getting attacked by hordes of unsatisfied t.m.o users | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:05 |
| TigerTael | Sounds like it! | 09:06 |
| TigerTael | This blows man... Google won't enable turn-by-turn navigation here because of licensing issues (maps and hardware works already), Nokia N900 I can't use turn-by-turn because the software doesn't support it. ;/ | 09:07 |
| TigerTael | I did have a solution on Android though, NDrive... | 09:07 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: lemme guess, Simone.Leggio@nokia.com ? | 09:08 |
| dottedmag | This guy is careful, the only easily obtainable source of his email address in internet is two scientific papers. | 09:09 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, exactly. :D | 09:10 |
| Macer | hm | 09:10 |
| Macer | anybody here use nget? | 09:10 |
| TigerTael | " Results 1 - 10 of about 8,830 for Simone.Leggio@nokia.com." | 09:11 |
| dottedmag | TigerTael: only two first results contain the email | 09:11 |
| dottedmag | Try quoting it. | 09:12 |
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| TigerTael | 3 results... BUT... | 09:12 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie proved my point. | 09:12 |
| TigerTael | name.surname@nokia.com | 09:12 |
| dottedmag | Yeah :) | 09:12 |
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| dottedmag | Non-security through lack of obscurity :) | 09:13 |
| crashanddie | then again, it would fail if it was "deathrow1978@nokia.com" | 09:13 |
| TigerTael | hahahaha | 09:13 |
| TigerTael | Well I guess I'm just going to give up hope on a native app for turn-by-turn from Nokia. | 09:14 |
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| TigerTael | I could consider making my own basing it on Nokia maps if they allow me to. ;/ | 09:14 |
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| TigerTael | But that sounds like a lot of heart-ache. | 09:14 |
| crashanddie | Or my corporate number: 1198626053216@company.com | 09:14 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, drone1198626053216 | 09:15 |
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| crashanddie | hey, you have the same code as me? | 09:15 |
| crashanddie | Wow | 09:15 |
| dottedmag | they should start using UUIDs for email. | 09:15 |
| TigerTael | That'd be pretty sweet, but horrible to remember the actual email address. | 09:15 |
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| crashanddie | (btw, 1 for male, 1986 for year of birth, 2605 for day and month, 32 for country, and 16 for region) | 09:15 |
| TigerTael | How thoughtful. | 09:16 |
| crashanddie | though 16 may also be an incremental number based on how many registrants in one da | 09:16 |
| crashanddie | day | 09:16 |
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| TigerTael | In other news, I'm eager for MeeGo. :3 | 09:17 |
| crashanddie | yo wazd! | 09:17 |
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| TigerTael | Which I'm sure you've heard a bazillion times before. | 09:17 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: you can download it and install it! GO GO GO | 09:17 |
| TigerTael | yay yay yay. ;/ | 09:18 |
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| TigerTael | I actually need my phone to be able to make and receive calls. | 09:18 |
| crashanddie | meh, who needs such rudimentary tools | 09:19 |
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| crashanddie | When I was your age, we threw stones at each other as a communication device | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | Though long distance usually meant at the other side of the street | 09:19 |
| crashanddie | and local meant same room | 09:20 |
| TigerTael | How old are you now? | 09:20 |
| TigerTael | 1986? | 09:20 |
| TigerTael | 24? | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | yes, they don't take the - in the corporate drone number | 09:20 |
| crashanddie | but really, the first watch I had said "BC" on it | 09:21 |
| TigerTael | Nice. | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | then some day, we didn't just have to change the hour, we had to start counting backwards! | 09:21 |
| crashanddie | AD? Who's he? | 09:21 |
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| crashanddie | TigerTael: how old are you, for the record? | 09:24 |
| TigerTael | Quid pro quo | 09:24 |
| crashanddie | In this context that doesn't mean anything, mate | 09:25 |
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| TigerTael | In the spirit of openness, I'm 27. | 09:25 |
| crashanddie | TigerTael: yeah, well see, I have *never* been that old! | 09:26 |
| TigerTael | That's what I was thinking. | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | So I am right, it was an infinite amount of time ago! | 09:26 |
| TigerTael | Assuming that time is linear. | 09:26 |
| crashanddie | stop with your blasphemy | 09:27 |
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| crashanddie | Chuck Norris has decided time was linear, so it is | 09:27 |
| crashanddie | For his Chuckness has counted to infinity, twice. | 09:27 |
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| Anss| | if Chuck would be a teacher, he would know the question for the answer 42. | 09:48 |
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| crashanddie | Anss|: he doesn't need to be a teacher, he knows the question | 10:00 |
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| crashanddie | Bloody hell, flying from Brisbane to London is expensive | 10:08 |
| crashanddie | And it's going to be a looooong trip. | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | and impossible atm? :P | 10:08 |
| crashanddie | Brisbane -> Singapore -> London -> Perpignan. Full 34 hours worth of travel. | 10:09 |
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| crashanddie | Stskeeps: it's in two weeks, I reckon the dust will have settled | 10:09 |
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| adeus | you never know | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie: if the volcano keeps going, i wouldn't bet on it :P | 10:10 |
| adeus | the last eruption lasted for 2 years :) | 10:10 |
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| crashanddie | Meh, we'll find a way around it | 10:10 |
| crashanddie | Drop me off in italy, there's no smoke there, right? | 10:10 |
| crashanddie | I'll drive from italy to france, np | 10:10 |
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| TigerTael | 2 years, haha! | 10:17 |
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| crashanddie | adeus & Stskeeps: bastards | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | what | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:18 |
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| crashanddie | I don't want to be trapped here for two years | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | cock | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | in australia or in europe? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | AUS | 10:18 |
| crashanddie | I don't mind being trapped in eu | 10:18 |
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| TigerTael | but AUS is terrible? | 10:19 |
| Macer | awesome beach landing in the last episode of the pacific | 10:21 |
| TigerTael | crashanddie, you could always go by boat... ;p | 10:22 |
| Macer | those first 4 episodes kind of totally sucked | 10:22 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: STFU | 10:22 |
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| Macer | heh | 10:23 |
| Macer | you must have seen the 2nd episode where all the americans were impregnating the aussies? | 10:24 |
| crashanddie | STFU I said | 10:24 |
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| crashanddie | We only had the first episode here | 10:24 |
| Macer | oooooh | 10:25 |
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| crashanddie | Where at the end they get on board the ship, and the cook goes "Everyone knows about gualdapanal back home, you guys are heroes" | 10:25 |
| Macer | well... the americans win :-P | 10:25 |
| Macer | in the end | 10:25 |
| Macer | haha | 10:25 |
| crashanddie | Macer: no, the americans didn't win | 10:25 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: nobody won in WW2 | 10:25 |
| Macer | if you say so | 10:26 |
| crashanddie | some may have lost more than others, but it definitely wasn't a victory | 10:26 |
| Macer | i was a Marine.. we go by kill ratio | 10:26 |
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| Macer | well... i guess am.. but i've been out since 2007 | 10:26 |
| Macer | :) | 10:26 |
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| crashanddie | Macer: did you do fun stuff? | 10:27 |
| crashanddie | Macer: when did you join? | 10:27 |
| petteri | i thought the soviets won ww2 | 10:27 |
| petteri | got hitler and stuff | 10:27 |
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| Macer | i joined in 02 and left for boot camp in 03 | 10:27 |
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| crashanddie | so you didn't see any real war? Fail | 10:27 |
| Macer | and yes. got to do plenty of "fun" stuff | 10:28 |
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| Macer | uhm | 10:28 |
| Macer | mmmkay | 10:28 |
| Macer | petteri: yeah but we ot to drop abombs :) | 10:28 |
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| GAN900 | Bllaaaaargh | 10:29 |
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| crashanddie | petteri: the war in Europe was officially over when Soviets, US and British troups met in Germany | 10:29 |
| crashanddie | petteri: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference | 10:30 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:34 |
| * RST38h moos | 10:34 | |
| Jaffa | Another night tonight in Stockholm. And it's started raining | 10:34 |
| crashanddie | Though if you really want to get anal, WWII only ended in 1990 | 10:34 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: nice toxic ash rain? | 10:34 |
| frals | Jaffa: Dont hate on Stockholm ;) | 10:34 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: like it wouldn't be raining in Rugby ;) | 10:35 |
| Jaffa | frals: Stockholm's great. Whether the last few days has been fantastic. | 10:35 |
| GAN900 | So, who's going to have MeeGo on their Nexus One first? | 10:35 |
| crashanddie | GAN900: you? | 10:35 |
| frals | ... at least we had good weather the last few days | 10:35 |
| frals | could do without the rain today :P | 10:35 |
| Jaffa | frals: Yeah. | 10:35 |
| Jaffa | frals: Whereabouts are you in Stockholm; and can you recommend anywhere for the 6 of us to go on a Friday night? | 10:35 |
| crashanddie | Jaffa: 6 of you? What are you guys doign? | 10:36 |
| RST38h | GAN: You, if you start hacking now | 10:36 |
| frals | Jaffa: im in the northern suburbs (Täby)... depends what you are looking for really | 10:36 |
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| Jaffa | crashanddie: Implementing our product at a client. First week of ~4,000 day project proper. | 10:36 |
| frals | and whereabouts you are, I assume smack down the middle somewhere? | 10:37 |
| Zeddy | wtf | 10:37 |
| Zeddy | cant open my theme manager on the n900 anymore | 10:37 |
| Zeddy | wierd | 10:37 |
| Jaffa | frals: Office is on Stora Essingen. We're now in a hotel in Alvik (but were more in the centre on Kungsholmen) | 10:37 |
| Zeddy | weird | 10:38 |
| Zeddy | i had no idea wierd is actually spellt weird | 10:38 |
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| frals | if you just want a 'regular' pub, Bishop Arms or Monks is pretty nice (Bishop Arms is just around the corner from the central station) | 10:39 |
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| frals | crap gotta run to the bus | 10:40 |
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| TigerTael | goodluck | 10:40 |
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| jacekowski | morning | 10:41 |
| BenjaminWilk | hi | 10:42 |
| Macer | hm. cuda sure does warm up this video card | 10:43 |
| jacekowski | allies won WW2 | 10:44 |
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| jacekowski | petteri: ^ | 10:44 |
| jacekowski | crashanddie: ^ | 10:44 |
| Macer | haha | 10:44 |
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| Macer | wasn't china an ally? | 10:45 |
| Macer | :) | 10:45 |
| jacekowski | later on | 10:45 |
| jacekowski | but in 1939-1940 there were only 3 countries taking part in a war | 10:46 |
| Macer | they were always fighting the japanese tho | 10:46 |
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| jacekowski | in europe | 10:46 |
| marmoute | china was at war with japan. japan was at war with USA, USA was an allies | 10:46 |
| Macer | truman was trying to drop the bombs before russia joined the pacific war | 10:46 |
| jacekowski | and china vs japan was non related at the time | 10:46 |
| Macer | well. i know the japanese were absolutely horrible to the chinese | 10:47 |
| Macer | worse than hitler with the jews | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | it was only 1942-43 when it became world war | 10:47 |
| thresh | everyone knows USSR won it. | 10:47 |
| jacekowski | not really | 10:48 |
| Zeddy | anyone ever had the problem on n900 where you cant open the theme manager :F | 10:48 |
| jacekowski | ussr signed ribentrop-molotov pact before war | 10:48 |
| Macer | thresh: i doubt russia would have won if hitler wasn't fighting on two fronts | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | which they did pretty much in hope that war will not reach them | 10:49 |
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| Macer | hitler's biggest mistake :) | 10:49 |
| Macer | not only that but he was so hard pressed to take over england | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | well, 1st - resistance was much bigger than they expected | 10:49 |
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| Macer | and wasn't expecint such harsh resistance | 10:49 |
| Macer | haha yeah | 10:49 |
| jacekowski | 2nd - enigma | 10:49 |
| toresbe | On the other hand, the USSR could probably not have won without equipment from the USA | 10:49 |
| Macer | england probably didn't look like someone who would go all hard core ultimate defense like that | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | ( nobody knew that enigma was cracked for another 20 years ) | 10:50 |
| Macer | not to mention they had radar :) i'm sure that helped | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | well, it was only 50% england | 10:50 |
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| Macer | england seriously dug in... i can't believe they lasted as long as they did | 10:50 |
| jacekowski | a lot of "english" army/navy/air force was foreign | 10:51 |
| marmoute | Macer: we did won at kill count: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_War_II_Casualties2.svg | 10:51 |
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| Macer | marmoute: er... that's death count | 10:52 |
| Macer | not kill count | 10:52 |
| Macer | and i said kill ratio ;) | 10:52 |
| Macer | Marines measure victory by a kill ratio | 10:52 |
| marmoute | Macer: and then you drink the blood of you opponent ? | 10:53 |
| Macer | i think ww2 in europe... the kill ratio was 1:13 in favor of ze germans :) | 10:53 |
| Macer | to russia | 10:53 |
| jacekowski | yeah, they wiped small country | 10:53 |
| RST38h | Ah hello Macer | 10:53 |
| Macer | so for every 1 german killed... they killed 13.. that is a good kill ratio | 10:54 |
| RST38h | Did not help them at the end though. | 10:54 |
| Macer | RST38h: hey ;) been a while | 10:54 |
| Macer | RST38h: no.. sure didn't heh | 10:54 |
| jacekowski | Macer: well, they were killing civilians | 10:54 |
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| mikki-kun | hi | 10:55 |
| mikki-kun | is there actually any good navigation software for the n900 available? | 10:55 |
| RST38h | Macer: Actually, according to Wiki, you are away off | 10:55 |
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| jacekowski | mikki-kun: sygic | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Macer: military losses: Germany: 5533000, USSR: 88000000 to 107000000 | 10:56 |
| Macer | they didn't have a 1:13 kill ratio against the russians? | 10:56 |
| RST38h | Macer: At most 1:2 | 10:56 |
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| mikki-kun | jacekowski: is there turn by turn for that? | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: seems little bit to high | 10:56 |
| marmoute | RST38h: 5533000 on eastern front ? | 10:56 |
| Macer | uhm | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: yes | 10:56 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: that's way to high | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Macer: Which is logical given that both sides had similarly specced arms and neither side used WMDs | 10:57 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: russia population was about 200m 100 years ago | 10:57 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: thanks :) | 10:57 |
| Macer | RST38h: that is against russia alone? | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Macer: Yes | 10:57 |
| jacekowski | RST38h: that would mean that half country was killed | 10:57 |
| RST38h | Macer: And no civilians | 10:57 |
| Macer | hm | 10:57 |
| marmoute | RST38h: you have too much zero in your russia figure | 10:57 |
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| RST38h | jacekowski: I typed an extra 0, do not be such a wikipedian | 10:58 |
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| RST38h | Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Human_losses_by_country | 10:58 |
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| jacekowski | that extra zero matters | 10:58 |
| Macer | haha | 10:59 |
| jacekowski | mhm | 10:59 |
| jacekowski | airports still closed | 10:59 |
| mikki-kun | jacekowski: was sygic free? | 11:00 |
| Macer | wtf | 11:00 |
| Macer | 40 million for brazil? | 11:00 |
| Macer | mexico was in ww2? :) | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: from torrents | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | Macer: that's why it was ww2 | 11:00 |
| mikki-kun | hm... any free alternative? | 11:00 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: no | 11:00 |
| Macer | oh... wait.. wrong column | 11:00 |
| Macer | haha.. i was about to say | 11:00 |
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| jacekowski | Macer: all commonwealth countries were in a war | 11:01 |
| mikki-kun | hm ;/ let's see what nokia is then doing out of ovi maps... | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: nothing | 11:01 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: no turn by turn | 11:01 |
| Macer | RST38h: er | 11:01 |
| Jaffa | Ovi Maps sucks donkeys' balls. | 11:02 |
| Macer | that doesn't separate it by country... german military deaths are lumped together for the entire war and at 4 million | 11:02 |
| mikki-kun | well, i won't give up in a way... still having small hopes | 11:02 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: get sygic | 11:02 |
| marmoute | The poland military/civilian death ratio is impressive. But givenit's army hold only two 2 days before collapsing it's easily explainable. | 11:02 |
| TigerTael | Thank you for your mail. We have planned some updates and improvements for the OVI Maps Application in N900 with the next upcoming release of maemo5. Ovi Maps on Nokia N900 will support maps and route search functionality, but does not include voice-guided navigation. | 11:02 |
| TigerTael | Best regards, | 11:02 |
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| Macer | TigerTael: Love, Google | 11:03 |
| TigerTael | Love, Nokia. | 11:03 |
| Macer | :) | 11:03 |
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| Macer | TigerTael: everybody knows google runs the world | 11:04 |
| TigerTael | Google ftl. ;/ | 11:04 |
| Macer | yeah | 11:04 |
| Macer | i tried my best to ditch google | 11:04 |
| mikki-kun | well, gotta sort that out with myself in a way... didn't want to turn to torrents | 11:04 |
| Macer | it's like the blob.. it just keeps getting bigger | 11:04 |
| jacekowski | mikki-kun: buy it from sygic then | 11:05 |
| TigerTael | Macer, the thing is, other Nokia phones in my country support voice-guided navigation... | 11:05 |
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| TigerTael | Only the N900 doesn't. ;/ | 11:05 |
| RST38h | TigerTael: Tell us something news. | 11:05 |
| Macer | TigerTael: my n95 did but you had to pay extra | 11:05 |
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| Macer | my G1 did as well | 11:05 |
| Macer | does.. i still have it | 11:05 |
| mikki-kun | let's see what the price is | 11:05 |
| RST38h | 'cause lack of voice navigation in n900 is not news | 11:05 |
| TigerTael | Macer, you don't have to pay extra now... | 11:05 |
| TigerTael | RST38h, obviously. | 11:06 |
| Macer | TigerTael: because google is forcing everybody to make it free ;) | 11:06 |
| TigerTael | Macer, which is great! | 11:06 |
| mikki-kun | ohhh, not my region avail for the n900? bad | 11:06 |
| Macer | TigerTael: until garmin goes bankrupt and nokia loses 50/share | 11:06 |
| Macer | :) | 11:06 |
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| TigerTael | Then maybe they will take their thumbs out of their arses? | 11:06 |
| Macer | TigerTael: of course not | 11:06 |
| Macer | they will be bought by google | 11:07 |
| TigerTael | Linux ftw. | 11:07 |
| mikki-kun | ö.ö 60€ ?! | 11:07 |
| mikki-kun | i paid for the phone already enough | 11:07 |
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| mikki-kun | imo | 11:07 |
| Macer | so how is maemo5 working out so far? | 11:08 |
| TigerTael | Works quite well. | 11:08 |
| Macer | i've heard a lot of rumors that it's rather unstable but i can't go off rumor | 11:08 |
| TigerTael | I've never had a reboot on my phone. | 11:08 |
| Macer | don't really know what people might consider unstable | 11:08 |
| TigerTael | Never had an app crash... | 11:08 |
| Macer | TigerTael: lots of apps crashing? | 11:08 |
| Macer | ah | 11:08 |
| Macer | well... guess that's odd then | 11:08 |
| mikki-kun | i had some apps crashing... | 11:09 |
| TigerTael | My phone is rock solid. | 11:09 |
| mikki-kun | but well, used many from the devel | 11:09 |
| mikki-kun | was trying different apps | 11:09 |
| TigerTael | Yeah, I don't generally take apps from devel. | 11:09 |
| Macer | hm | 11:09 |
| Macer | i think i'll buy one tomorrow then | 11:09 |
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| mikki-kun | expected that to happen, so after it got really slow and whatever i flashed it and have only selected apps on it | 11:10 |
| TigerTael | Macer, N900? | 11:10 |
| Macer | yes | 11:10 |
| mikki-kun | and it's really fast | 11:10 |
| TigerTael | For what reason? | 11:10 |
| Macer | i was about to get one when it first came out but i check fired | 11:10 |
| TigerTael | What phone do you have now? | 11:10 |
| Macer | TigerTael: i loved my n810 ;) | 11:10 |
| TigerTael | aha! | 11:10 |
| Macer | i still have my G1 and n95 | 11:10 |
| TigerTael | Then you should like the N900. | 11:10 |
| Macer | still has most of the same apps? | 11:10 |
| Macer | like a linux term etc? | 11:10 |
| Macer | and the integrated jabber app? :) | 11:10 |
| Macer | telepathy? | 11:10 |
| TigerTael | ctrl+shift+x goes straight to terminal. | 11:10 |
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| TigerTael | Dunno about telepathy... | 11:11 |
| korhojoa | hurr | 11:11 |
| TigerTael | But I use the pidgin plugin for conversations for every other service that the phone doesn't natively support. | 11:12 |
| Macer | TigerTael: well. i don't use gtalk.. i use my zimbra server for jabber stuff | 11:12 |
| jacekowski | Macer: integrated jabber | 11:12 |
| Macer | which can talk to gtalk contacts ;) | 11:12 |
| Macer | jacekowski: ah ok awesome | 11:12 |
| jacekowski | zimbra jabber sucks | 11:12 |
| Macer | jacekowski: it works well enough :-P | 11:12 |
| Macer | heh | 11:12 |
| jacekowski | well, s2s has problems | 11:12 |
| jacekowski | it doesn't read SRV records correctly | 11:12 |
| Macer | jacekowski: hm. mine seems to work with gtalk fine | 11:12 |
| Macer | which is probably the only one i care about | 11:13 |
| Macer | i haven't tried facebook contacts but i don't use facebook | 11:13 |
| Macer | that's another thing that i have learned to avoid :) | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | i run my own ejabberd2 using zimbra ldap to authenticate | 11:13 |
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| Macer | jacekowski: really? that sounds pretty interesting | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | with jorge + log_sql for archiving | 11:13 |
| Macer | works a lot better? | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | yes | 11:13 |
| Macer | how do you get the zimbra web client to use it? | 11:13 |
| jacekowski | never tried that | 11:14 |
| Macer | heh | 11:14 |
| Macer | well.. that part is important ;) | 11:14 |
| Macer | that's why i didn't swap off the internal one | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | but there is a lot of jabber clients | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | that can work | 11:14 |
| Macer | jacekowski: the clients for android all suck ;) | 11:14 |
| Macer | but then again.. i think android kind of sucks in general | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | android sucks | 11:14 |
| Macer | especially with that self killing thing android does when it runs low on ram | 11:14 |
| TigerTael | lol | 11:14 |
| Macer | where it just picks and chooses what to kill | 11:14 |
| jacekowski | Macer: that's linux thing | 11:15 |
| Macer | which is usually a jabber client | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | and maemo does the same | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | it's called OOM kill | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | http://linux-mm.org/OOM_Killer | 11:15 |
| Macer | i never had a problem with my n810 doing it | 11:15 |
| Macer | :) | 11:15 |
| Macer | in android.. if i run a browser.. everything dies | 11:15 |
| jacekowski | well, apps for maemo are more efficient | 11:15 |
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| jacekowski | dalvik creates huge memory overhead | 11:16 |
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| Macer | as long as telepathy has jabber support | 11:16 |
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| Macer | my main concern is an integrated jabber client | 11:16 |
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| Macer | i would rather run integrated included apps for things .. i'm not a big fan of a 3rd party app unless it is required | 11:16 |
| jacekowski | http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=42 | 11:16 |
| jacekowski | well, there are plugins for im in n900 | 11:17 |
| jacekowski | so it integrates nicely with it | 11:17 |
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| Macer | i figured jabber support was included | 11:17 |
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| Macer | it was in the n810 ;) | 11:17 |
| * noobmonk3y overclocked................. his coffee this morning, 1 extra sugar ;) | 11:17 | |
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| jacekowski | noobmonk3y: your coffee might break because of that | 11:18 |
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| * noobmonk3y was prepared and has a second mug awaiting just in case...... in the world of science, a coffee is never safe!! | 11:19 | |
| korhojoa | noobmonk3y: remember: if you find that it does not have you functioning normally, don't try to RMA it | 11:19 |
| noobmonk3y | korhojoa: loL!!! | 11:19 |
| jacekowski | that reminds me of my laptop | 11:20 |
| korhojoa | "I'm sorry, I can't handle all this sugar..." "you put that sugar in there yourself, sir." "oh." | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | i have to RMA it | 11:20 |
| noobmonk3y | hehehe! :D | 11:20 |
| korhojoa | jacekowski: you should not put sugar in your laptop | 11:20 |
| jacekowski | what's the default password for root on n900? | 11:21 |
| korhojoa | uh, is there any? | 11:21 |
| korhojoa | i thought it was set when you install ssh | 11:21 |
| jacekowski | nah, nothing asked me for it | 11:22 |
| frals | rootme or smth isnt it | 11:22 |
| X-Fade | morning | 11:22 |
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| Khertan_Home | while testing moblin on my netbook ... i'm discovering yum ... hum ... | 11:23 |
| frals | mornin X-Fade | 11:23 |
| Khertan_Home | strange managment | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | Khertan_Home: it's supposed to be zypper instead i think | 11:23 |
| korhojoa | strange management? | 11:23 |
| Macer | wow n97 costs more than an n900? | 11:23 |
| Macer | amazing | 11:23 |
| korhojoa | Macer: that isn't right | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | well, nokia underpriced n900 little bit | 11:23 |
| Macer | no wait | 11:23 |
| thresh | under??? | 11:23 |
| Macer | $50 less | 11:23 |
| Macer | :) | 11:23 |
| Macer | my bad | 11:23 |
| jacekowski | it's still underpriced | 11:23 |
| Macer | n97 still run symbian doesn't it? | 11:24 |
| jacekowski | Macer: yes | 11:24 |
| frals | the 600e i spent begs to differ ;) | 11:24 |
| jacekowski | iphone costs more | 11:24 |
| Macer | i thought iphones were 400 | 11:24 |
| Macer | unlocked iphones are 800+ on amazon | 11:25 |
| Macer | heh | 11:25 |
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| Macer | WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900 | 11:26 |
| Macer | wtf | 11:26 |
| Macer | i thought tmob was 1700 | 11:26 |
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| Macer | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Phones_with_Carrier_Plan/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A3076016 | 11:32 |
| Macer | is that right? those tech specs don't look right. it has a freq of 1900 | 11:32 |
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| ShadowJK | that's a list of gsm frequencies | 11:34 |
| ShadowJK | not of wcdma frequencies | 11:34 |
| ShadowJK | and yes, N900 pricepoint was about 200euro below N97 at release :) | 11:35 |
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| Macer | ah ok | 11:36 |
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| ShadowJK | and those frequencies are correct for gsm :) | 11:37 |
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| Anss| | http://www.geekologie.com/2010/04/15/no-flash.jpg | 11:40 |
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| Zeddy | btw the widget examples are not to be downloaded | 11:43 |
| Zeddy | they apparently mess with the system a bit | 11:43 |
| Zeddy | i was unable to open theme manager, after uninstalling the widget examples it worked perfectly, and somewhat quicker response time aswel | 11:44 |
| Zeddy | wonder what the heck they coders of those examples have been up to :p | 11:44 |
| thresh | YEAHHH most useful app for N900 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50089 | 11:46 |
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| ShadowJK | openssh? | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | oh, even better! :-) | 11:47 |
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| Stskeeps | or keeping track of how many drinks a girl have had | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:48 |
| thresh | yeahh | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | "her alcohol level is now optimal for flirting" | 11:48 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 11:48 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, you're possibly more creepy than me | 11:49 |
| thresh | Stskeeps: exactly. | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | i could have said much worse things. | 11:49 |
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| jacekowski | have anybody made app package with bash? | 11:50 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, yeah sure, it's just recognizing the stalker value in it | 11:51 |
| ShadowJK | :) | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i'm as surprised as anyone that i'm actually married without the slightest bit of stalkering in it :P | 11:51 |
| Macer | haha | 11:51 |
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| X-Fade | heh | 11:52 |
| lcuk | lol | 11:52 |
| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, admit it, your computer fixes had built-in timebombs so she'd come back for more tech support | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no, those were not placed yet at that point ;) | 11:53 |
| * Stskeeps yawns and looks at bootmenu | 11:54 | |
| Macer | Stskeeps: i am sorry. i didn't stick arond long before.. did mer finally get the gl stuff going? | 11:54 |
| Macer | you said something about meego or whatever it's called | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: not in a usable fashion, but that wasn't reall mer's fault | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | and meego is the successor of mer | 11:56 |
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| ShadowJK | possibly the more interesting question would be if it's even possible to get it going in a usable fashion ;-) | 11:57 |
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| Macer | haha | 11:58 |
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| Macer | well. didn't you guys get it going on x86? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | sure, gl part works | 11:58 |
| Macer | just not on n810? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | but there's a big stretch from that to a mobile device | 11:58 |
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| Macer | The hardware is now final at shipment. Software is still in beta, probably till the end of 2009. | 11:59 |
| Macer | (From AI's touchbook site) | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 11:59 |
| Macer | i wonder if they still tip over | 12:00 |
| Macer | :) wow what a let down that thing was | 12:00 |
| Macer | Stskeeps: try out an ipad? | 12:00 |
| Macer | isn't it just an oversized iphone without the 3G modem? | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: afaik | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i don't like devices i can't hack | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | Terribly low res too. | 12:00 |
| Macer | they're that locked down? | 12:00 |
| Macer | X-Fade: really? what is the res on it? | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | I would expect 3000x2000 on that size. | 12:00 |
| Macer | it's rather large to have a low res | 12:00 |
| X-Fade | 1024x768 or so. | 12:00 |
| Macer | oh. that's not too bad for a "pad" | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: i like devices like the joggler, http://blip.tv/file/3491206?filename=Stskeeps-Mer017testing11OnAJogglerWith3dAcceleration457.flv | 12:01 |
| Macer | i can't stand anything that uses on-screen touch keyboads | 12:01 |
| X-Fade | Not 260 dpi as we are used to ;) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: (there's some flaws due to 16 vs 24 bpp. fixing today) | 12:01 |
| ShadowJK | some ipads have 3g modem | 12:01 |
| Termana | Some Pads are for hygeine | 12:02 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: i thought they were going to release the 3G ipads later | 12:02 |
| Macer | like the iphone: now with compass! | 12:02 |
| ShadowJK | well they still haven't released ipad anywhere except US | 12:02 |
| Macer | and people ate them up | 12:03 |
| Macer | i don't know what it is about apple products where people just eat them up | 12:03 |
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| Macer | i mean is their marketing just that good? | 12:03 |
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| MiXu- | Yes | 12:03 |
| mece | iSheep numbers are great in america. | 12:03 |
| Macer | i honestly never saw a single ipad commercial | 12:03 |
| Macer | how ddi they even know they were coming out? :) | 12:04 |
| Macer | then again. i hardly ever watch actual tv | 12:04 |
| mece | it's the interwebs | 12:04 |
| Macer | ah well | 12:05 |
| Macer | amazing that at one point people were thinking apple was going to go bankrupt | 12:05 |
| Macer | or get bought out | 12:05 |
| Termana | Isn't it a little dangerous to be eating iPads? | 12:05 |
| Macer | :) | 12:05 |
| Termana | :P | 12:05 |
| Macer | i think the ipod and imac saved apple | 12:05 |
| mece | well.. ipod. | 12:06 |
| Macer | no. the imac helped | 12:06 |
| mece | i suppose. | 12:07 |
| Macer | it was the "cheap one" with colors | 12:07 |
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| * ShadowJK watched tv last christmas | 12:07 | |
| Macer | i think it was the colors that did it | 12:07 |
| ShadowJK | uh, last last.. | 12:07 |
| Arkenoi | imac really shocked me back then | 12:07 |
| Arkenoi | or to be more precise people shocked me | 12:07 |
| Arkenoi | the same old "Quadra" put into transparent plastic bin | 12:08 |
| Arkenoi | and people really DID believe it is "revolutionary new computer" | 12:08 |
| mece | well, things haven't changed then :) | 12:08 |
| Macer | Arkenoi: it used a ppc cpu :) | 12:09 |
| Macer | i could give it that much | 12:09 |
| Arkenoi | despite the fact there were numerous weird custom computer case designs and market mostly ignored them | 12:09 |
| Arkenoi | macer haha | 12:09 |
| Macer | i miss ppc | 12:09 |
| Arkenoi | ppc macs were available several YEARS before iMac | 12:09 |
| Macer | Arkenoi: it was the apple symbol | 12:09 |
| Arkenoi | it is the same Quadra packet differently | 12:10 |
| Macer | people can relate to apples in most non 3rd world countries | 12:10 |
| Macer | they got rid of the rainbow apple look | 12:10 |
| ShadowJK | I walked into an apple store once | 12:10 |
| * Arkenoi loved old rainbow logo more | 12:10 | |
| mece | yeah! now they is hating on the gays! | 12:11 |
| Macer | hahaha | 12:11 |
| mece | or.. | 12:11 |
| ShadowJK | I said "I heard Mac OS is like unix now, where's the xterm, does it have a compiler? how do I make stuff?" and the people in the store had no idea what I was talking about ;( | 12:11 |
| Macer | they probably got sued by the gays claiming trademark on the rainbow | 12:11 |
| ShadowJK | I think that was 2004 or 2005 | 12:11 |
| mece | used to be all about the gays, now they're all about the smug. | 12:12 |
| Macer | ShadowJK: it isn't that bad | 12:12 |
| mece | ok.. sorry about that :) | 12:12 |
| mece | ShadowJK, LOL | 12:12 |
| Macer | osx that is | 12:12 |
| Lumpio- | Actually the gay never went out | 12:12 |
| Lumpio- | Now it's about being smug *and* gay. | 12:12 |
| Macer | i personally can't stand osx | 12:12 |
| mece | But, they removed the rainbow logo!!!! | 12:12 |
| Macer | but it's not bad when you get rid of the gui | 12:12 |
| Macer | ironically enough i'm running kde on a macbook now | 12:12 |
| Macer | hahaha | 12:12 |
| N900evil | do not use the word gay like that. | 12:13 |
| mece | LOL | 12:13 |
| * Arkenoi thinks that rainbows and black leather are NOT gay and does not care gay community claims rights on that things ;-) | 12:13 | |
| N900evil | the correct term is iSexual. | 12:13 |
| mece | err... no. | 12:13 |
| Macer | Arkenoi: don't mess with the gays man.. i mean personally i could care less if a man is gay... but... they're dangerous | 12:13 |
| Macer | :) | 12:13 |
| mece | LOL | 12:14 |
| Macer | don't let the treated nails and bleached hair fool you.. they are like a mafia | 12:14 |
| Arkenoi | well, i guess you may feel quite safe (if you watch your behind ;-) | 12:14 |
| mece | wtf? | 12:14 |
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| Macer | and hey. the more gay men there are the less competition for women in the world so that's a + | 12:14 |
| Macer | :) but osx totally sucks | 12:14 |
| Macer | i'd think otherwise MAYBE if they actually put kernel level zfs in it | 12:15 |
| Arkenoi | not "totally" | 12:15 |
| mece | I hear it's pretty good. Oh well. wouldn't touch the thing with a six foot pole | 12:15 |
| Macer | like they were supposed to | 12:15 |
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| Arkenoi | it sucks a bit less than widnows | 12:15 |
| Macer | i hate the gui | 12:15 |
| Macer | and hfs+ | 12:15 |
| Macer | hfs+ most of all | 12:15 |
| Macer | but using it headless as a server would be nice to do | 12:15 |
| * Arkenoi hates damn ___OSX folders in archives | 12:16 | |
| mece | I started disliking mac's when I was working tech support, and there was 99% pc and a couple of douches who just had to have macs | 12:16 |
| Macer | yup | 12:16 |
| Khertan_Home | ok ... moblin isn't for me ... no tomboy sync | 12:16 |
| Macer | Arkenoi: there is no way to stop that | 12:16 |
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| Macer | not the ._DS_Store ones.. but the other ones | 12:16 |
| mece | Khertan, it doesn't sound like something permanent... | 12:16 |
| Macer | that you can't stop from popping up without 3rd party software | 12:16 |
| Zeddy | anyone know what i should do? When i roam around in my school and walk from one wlan area to the other, it apparently "roams" but after roaming i cannot use the connection | 12:17 |
| * noobmonk3y has 1 mac and 7,800 pc's at work to deal with, and damn that mac gives me grief | 12:17 | |
| Zeddy | i have to manually disconnect and connect for it to work | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | it's not phone problem | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | it's AP problem | 12:17 |
| Arkenoi | why macos archivers just do not have "don't pack os-specific shit" option default? | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | most of the doesn't update mac tables correctly | 12:17 |
| nid0 | simple solution noobmonk3y, ditch the mac | 12:17 |
| Zeddy | jacekowski, you sure? | 12:17 |
| nid0 | by force or violence, if need be. | 12:17 |
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| jacekowski | yeah, i've spent some time fuc*** around with wifi roaming | 12:17 |
| jacekowski | and it's just hopeless | 12:18 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) - i've tried coffee spillage, and the darn thing survived | 12:18 |
| Zeddy | but it works with my laptop :) | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | because laptops advertise itself | 12:18 |
| nid0 | but yeah we have the same problem at work, 95% of the "i cant publish my website, help" are tossers using iweb that only works properly with apple's own hosting service | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | and arp's get updated | 12:18 |
| jacekowski | but that's AP job not STA | 12:18 |
| Zeddy | ok.. | 12:18 |
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| Zeddy | so theres no workaround then | 12:19 |
| Zeddy | great | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | there is workaround | 12:19 |
| Macer | nid0: ahhahah | 12:19 |
| Macer | what about entourage? :) | 12:19 |
| Zeddy | i cant tell the it administration to fix it.. They most likely even cant :p | 12:19 |
| Macer | ever have the fun with those types yet? | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | but you should tell them to fix it | 12:19 |
| nid0 | actually mac mail does give us a lot of problems as well | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | besides, school with public wifi/ | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | ? | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | where are you | 12:19 |
| jacekowski | i want to live there | 12:19 |
| nid0 | as the damn thing defaults to port 587 for smtp | 12:19 |
| nid0 | whoever's braindead idea that was. | 12:20 |
| jacekowski | that's submission port | 12:20 |
| jacekowski | and it's correct behaviour | 12:20 |
| nid0 | no, its authenticated submission port, and is incorrect behavior for nonauthenticated client smtp. | 12:20 |
| jacekowski | 25 is supposed to be only s2s communication | 12:20 |
| crashanddie | jacekowski: when I was at school there was free wifi all over the technical area | 12:20 |
| jacekowski | here it's ussualy that you can get internet from school equipment ( wpa2 ) | 12:21 |
| jacekowski | and pretty much everything is filtered | 12:21 |
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| crashanddie | where is "here" again? | 12:22 |
| Treibholz | damn... the flash-player is to slow for http://www.dothedaft.com/idaft/ | 12:22 |
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| hrw | hi | 12:50 |
| hrw | X-Fade: how many people worked on ->squeeze move? | 12:51 |
| X-Fade | hrw: about 6 | 12:52 |
| hrw | X-Fade: and everybody from maemo community? no one @nokia? | 12:52 |
| X-Fade | We've actually been testing for a while now. | 12:52 |
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| X-Fade | hrw: Also people from the Nokia sdk team. | 12:52 |
| hrw | thx | 12:53 |
| X-Fade | hrw: squeeze devkit finally uses sane versions, not deprecated ;) | 12:53 |
| hrw | X-Fade: big thanks to all of you for solving this problem | 12:53 |
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| jacekowski | squeeze? | 12:56 |
| X-Fade | hrw: At least from now on bringing in recent debian packages will be a lot easier too. | 12:57 |
| jacekowski | that's debian release name and what else? | 12:57 |
| hrw | jacekowski: debian 'testing' | 12:57 |
| achipa | jacekowski: character from toy story ? | 12:57 |
| jacekowski | i'm not getting relation between debian and maemo | 12:57 |
| hrw | jacekowski: all Debian releases are named by characters from toy story movies | 12:57 |
| hrw | jacekowski: maemo uses Debian as base but most of packages were altered | 12:58 |
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| supertramp | is socat replacement for netcat? | 12:58 |
| hrw | often in ugly way | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | supertramp: no | 12:58 |
| supertramp | jacekowski: I can't find netcat package ... then | 12:58 |
| supertramp | :( | 12:58 |
| supertramp | damn | 12:58 |
| jacekowski | try searching for nc | 12:58 |
| hrw | jacekowski: there were rumours that when Debian will use all characters from Toy Story 1/2 Pixar will make Toy Story 3 | 12:59 |
| supertramp | I think socat extends netcat | 12:59 |
| supertramp | is there something the socat cannot comparing to nc? | 12:59 |
| hrw | socat can be used as netcat | 12:59 |
| supertramp | cannot do | 12:59 |
| jacekowski | well, it's like comparing mhm | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | tv to radio | 13:00 |
| jacekowski | socat purpose is completly different | 13:00 |
| supertramp | e? | 13:00 |
| hrw | jacekowski: anyway according to Debian description socat can be used as netcat replacement | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | well, i'm using both | 13:01 |
| jacekowski | and it's completly different program | 13:01 |
| Zeddy | http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/15/live-wallpapers-come-to-the-n900/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MaemoCentral+(Maemo+Central) | 13:02 |
| Zeddy | cool | 13:02 |
| Zeddy | wonder how much battery thats gonna drain lol | 13:02 |
| SpeedEvil | not much | 13:03 |
| SpeedEvil | less you sit there staring at it | 13:03 |
| jacekowski | Zeddy: not a lot | 13:03 |
| jacekowski | Zeddy: i doubt it will be moving when you are not looking at it | 13:04 |
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| jacekowski | btw. google e17 | 13:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | I wonder if it can do live streaming | 13:06 |
| SpeedEvil | oh | 13:07 |
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| NuD1t7 | hmm ... btw .. is there a way for my n900 to find/access my windows workgroup shared folders/files ? | 13:08 |
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| NuD1t7 | like in ubuntu the mambo/jambo/samba or whatever it was | 13:09 |
| NuD1t7 | always forget the name of the thingy | 13:09 |
| frals | think there is cifs module | 13:09 |
| NuD1t7 | cifs ? | 13:10 |
| * Arkenoi does not need live wallpapers, but i'd like to have different themes for daylight and for nighttime | 13:10 | |
| lcuk | Arkenoi, live wallpapers can be used for that sort of thing | 13:10 |
| lcuk | they dont have to be busy active | 13:10 |
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| frals | NuD1t7: it should be able to do what you want iirc | 13:10 |
| lcuk | it can be as simple as just changing its own wallpaper every now and then | 13:11 |
| NuD1t7 | frals ok thx i'll try it out | 13:11 |
| frals | i want live wp with a mailman delivering my email | 13:11 |
| X-Fade | But live wallpapers can do a lot more if you want ;) | 13:11 |
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| X-Fade | The wallpaper can actually interact with the icons and widgets on the desktop. | 13:12 |
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| Stskeeps | godzilla live wallpaper | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | eating icons | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:12 |
| X-Fade | hehe | 13:12 |
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| frals | need to have a look at that when i get fmms in extras :) | 13:13 |
| ccooke | X-Fade: the problem with live wallpaper is it reminds me of Active Desktop in Windows... mainly because that *is* live wallpaper. And I can't help but recall seeing one person's desktop set to the hampsterdance page (hey, it was years ago ;-) | 13:14 |
| ccooke | (with the audio, of course) | 13:14 |
| X-Fade | ccooke: hehe :) | 13:14 |
| lcuk | lol ccooke | 13:15 |
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| BCMM | is there a package to block flash that isn't also a general ad-blocker? | 13:15 |
| frals | todays annoyance: not being able to copypaste from "about product" :P | 13:15 |
| frals | BCMM: i saw something on tmo about flashblocker, sounds like it might do what you want | 13:16 |
| BCMM | (i try to only block very annoying ads to avoid cutting off a site's revenue and exert a selective pressure) | 13:16 |
| BCMM | only thing i've found is also an adblocker | 13:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | X-Fade: xsnow! | 13:26 |
| SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xsnow | 13:26 |
| * achipa wonders whether Debian started to be late again, losing clamav due to EOL from latest stable is not funny | 13:27 | |
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| agi | xsnow with accelerometer support!! or make your n900 one of those 'NY at winter' things | 13:35 |
| agi | achipa: lenny was released ~1year ago, you cannot released every year, for many reasons | 13:37 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: i agree tis annoying - what are you trying to copy? | 13:38 |
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| achipa | agi: they sort of have lenny-updates for exactly this purpose | 13:39 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: thinking about arranging a london and a Brum meetup in the next few months, would you be up for either? | 13:39 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, sure thing | 13:40 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: was gonna copy version info ;( | 13:40 |
| lcuk | i need to sort out finances tho | 13:40 |
| agi | achipa: nope, the have volatile for that | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y | :( hmmm i should probably make healthcheck values copyable ;) | 13:40 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: i can buy you some tap water ;) | 13:40 |
| agi | achipa: lenny-updates is for secutiry and important fixes, no new versions | 13:41 |
| lcuk | is it cooled? | 13:41 |
| achipa | agi: volatile schmolatile, the point is they're late :) | 13:41 |
| frals | noobmonk3y: had to restort to using my brain to memorise it.. :) | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | well, i may be able to strecth to one ice cube ;) | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwww | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | frals: dont waste too much brain space... hard to come by ;) | 13:41 |
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| frals | noobmonk3y: exactly my point! :D | 13:41 |
| achipa | agi: also, technically it IS a security fix | 13:41 |
| noobmonk3y | i remembered something this morning... but the problem was i remembered something else just after and forgot the first thing..... ;) - i need overclocking | 13:42 |
| noobmonk3y | thankfully my warranty has long since expired ;) lol | 13:42 |
| frals | you need bigger cache as accesstime to your memory sounds awful ;) | 13:42 |
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| noobmonk3y | hahaha | 13:43 |
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| frals | (just completed assignment on cache memories :P) | 13:43 |
| noobmonk3y | frals.... it doesnt matter, i can send mms's my life is complete......... the irony of me having an n900 is that.... initially i said i needed a new phone, and my first thought was, it needs mms .... lol... as i had never used it before, not because i actually needed it ;) | 13:43 |
| lcuk | memory leak | 13:43 |
| agi | achipa: not IMHO. is a new release, it's not fixing a security bug. And it's more of a uptream caprice than anything | 13:44 |
| frals | lol noobmonk3y | 13:44 |
| * lcuk lights a big cigar | 13:45 | |
| * noobmonk3y lights a small cigarette and feels a bit insecure | 13:45 | |
| * nid0 puffs on a fat joint | 13:46 | |
| achipa | agi: yes, well, grey area, whether inability to provide updates is (not) a security bug. It's just that the 'fix' never got backported. As for caprice, well, I guess so, but doesn't help neither clamav nor Debian to ship outdated stuff and create a false sense of security | 13:46 |
| * frals throws the smokers out.. no smoking during workhours. tis the law | 13:46 | |
| * nid0 works in his own house, what law? | 13:46 | |
| * noobmonk3y looks at frals... no smoking on work property during work time, nothing stopping me standing out on the street ;) | 13:47 | |
| noobmonk3y | nid0: - you are above the law, remember that ;) | 13:47 |
| nid0 | quite right :D | 13:47 |
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| noobmonk3y | lcuk, on the other hand is a little sideways of the law ;) | 13:47 |
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| noobmonk3y | and frals, is the law... lol | 13:47 |
| * achipa always thought people who held beer in one hand (inside the pub) and a cigarette in the other (outside the pub) looked funny | 13:48 | |
| Shapeshifter | I really like the sharing framework on the n900. Although what I really need is missing, the concept itself is nice. | 13:48 |
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| Shapeshifter | with all the backgrounding | 13:48 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, nid0 might be in a permissive country | 13:48 |
| frals | lol achipa | 13:48 |
| nid0 | << norfolk | 13:48 |
| Shapeshifter | this is really nice. | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | lol - you need a passport to get out of norfolk i hear ;) | 13:49 |
| nid0 | theres a fence all the way round it :( | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | very similar to wales and coventry ;) hehe | 13:49 |
| nid0 | keeping the riff-raff out. | 13:49 |
| noobmonk3y | lol nido thats what we want you to think ;) | 13:49 |
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| achipa | We're permissive here. Friends coming here ofter wonder how 'only' 50% of the population is smoking, especially considering the price of cigarettes | 13:50 |
| noobmonk3y | allthough with leicesters ring road.... also similar there, miss one turning and you are on one big ass roundabout | 13:50 |
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| noobmonk3y | achipa: how much for a pack of ciggies there? | 13:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | £6.20+ per pack here :( well if you smoke a half decent brand........ | 13:51 |
| nid0 | blah, freeciv promoted to -testing finally, but broken | 13:53 |
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| achipa | noobmonk3y: we start at 0.6-0.7 euros per pack for local brands | 13:53 |
| frals | i love when it takes an hour and 10mins instead of 40min to get home... >< | 13:53 |
| achipa | are we dirt cheap or what ? | 13:53 |
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| achipa | noobmonk3y: Marlboro and similar are about 1.3 euros per pack... | 13:54 |
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| noobmonk3y | wow, i need to come over there! | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: what country were you in again? | 13:57 |
| noobmonk3y | will give you $2 euros a pack to post em, hehehe | 13:57 |
| nid0 | how much dyou reckon you can persuade customs is "personal use" when you come back? | 13:57 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: Serbia | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: ah | 13:57 |
| achipa | Stskeeps: that explains it, eh ? ;) | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | achipa: eastern european countries are typically cheap in that area :P | 13:58 |
| achipa | ditto for booze :) | 13:59 |
| * Stskeeps is fairly happy to live in poland in that regard | 13:59 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:59 |
| Shapeshifter | smoke stinks | 14:00 |
| ccooke | Shapeshifter: cigarettes stink. *tobacco* smells wonderful. (And I have never been a smoker ;-) | 14:00 |
| achipa | nid0: I know you can take 2 packs into Hungary, but not sure if that's a local law or EU-wide | 14:00 |
| Shapeshifter | ccooke: agreed | 14:00 |
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| noobmonk3y | eu-wide is "personal consumption limit" | 14:01 |
| ccooke | (I never understood how smoking could have started... until I met a pipe smoker) | 14:01 |
| nid0 | heh thatll be local, in the uk you can generally get away with several bags full, as long as you're careful to tell them its for personal use | 14:01 |
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| nid0 | its when you start taking truckloads in theyll get suspicious | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | brought 4000*2 back from spain last year | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | (with the gf) | 14:01 |
| noobmonk3y | but yeah Uk, it depends what minute of what day and what the weather is to how they react | 14:02 |
| achipa | noobmonk3y: whoa, I just hope you don't plan to use all that up yourself :) | 14:02 |
| * noobmonk3y already has ;) | 14:02 | |
| noobmonk3y | only 200 packs of ciggies lol | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | each | 14:03 |
| Zeddy | http://gizmodo.com/tag/diy-processor/ | 14:03 |
| Zeddy | mmm | 14:03 |
| Zeddy | oups | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | right off for lunchies | 14:03 |
| achipa | noobmonk3y: ah... thought 4000 *packs* | 14:03 |
| nid0 | we need another testing marathon. | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | nid0: we need maemo branded cigarettes lol | 14:03 |
| achipa | that would be a killer concentration, eh ? :) | 14:03 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 14:04 |
| Zeddy | stop smoking | 14:04 |
| noobmonk3y | Zeddy: Start smoking....... | 14:04 |
| Zeddy | i stopped 7 months ago | 14:04 |
| noobmonk3y | so did i :( - but only for about 45 minutes, was horrible | 14:04 |
| Zeddy | its a dying hobby | 14:04 |
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| Zeddy | haha | 14:04 |
| achipa | nid0: we need a fixed autobuilder, THEN we can really start testing again | 14:06 |
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| achipa | (technically that has already happened, let's just hope there is no fallout :) ) | 14:07 |
| X-Fade | achipa: We have a fixed autobuilder now ;) | 14:07 |
| nid0 | well, thats debatable. packages thatre bust havent been getting promoted out of devel in the first place | 14:07 |
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| nid0 | all the stuff thats been sitting untested in -testing is working fine | 14:07 |
| jacekowski | X-Fade: so how to send something for 1.2 and how for 1.1? | 14:07 |
| nid0 | except freeciv :< | 14:08 |
| achipa | X-Fade: heh, just said that :) | 14:08 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, :) | 14:08 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, you dont | 14:08 |
| achipa | jacekowski: you don't | 14:08 |
| lcuk | you submit to the builder | 14:08 |
| achipa | :) | 14:08 |
| lcuk | and it knows | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | jacekowski: when you use a PR1.2 feature it sets PR1.2 dependency. | 14:08 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/12275295376 | 14:08 |
| X-Fade | If you don't it will default to the lowest possible dependency. | 14:08 |
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| ccooke | (Damn it, whenever I see the name "Meego", my brain starts playing this at me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsOIYYedV8 ) | 14:11 |
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| lcuk | its follow friday! who else needs stalking/following | 14:15 |
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| hrw | and also need food so bb in few | 14:16 |
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| lcuk | hrw, at fosdem there were folks talking about wanting ip6 | 14:16 |
| hrw | some app here uses ipv6_available() and fails to link | 14:16 |
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| achipa | X-Fade: so now binary stuff is okay, but we're supposed to hund down users of bindings 'manually', right ? | 14:17 |
| achipa | s/hund/hunt/ | 14:17 |
| infobot | achipa meant: X-Fade: so now binary stuff is okay, but we're supposed to hunt down users of bindings 'manually', right ? | 14:17 |
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| MohammadAG | Morning everyone | 14:18 |
| lcuk | morning MohammadAG | 14:18 |
| lcuk | and tekojo \o | 14:18 |
| tekojo | \o/ | 14:19 |
| jacekowski | ( my joggler is almost delivered ) | 14:19 |
| * MohammadAG is having a weird weird problem | 14:19 | |
| jacekowski | if i can get it out of dhl | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | Says device storage is full | 14:19 |
| MohammadAG | (no it's not full lol) | 14:20 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, pastebin df | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | and pastebin mount ;-P | 14:21 |
| MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/36C6wWGJ | 14:22 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, you filled up /home | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/Wfdf6xeF | 14:23 |
| nid0 | /home looks pretty full | 14:23 |
| * MohammadAG didn't check that | 14:24 | |
| MohammadAG | it's prolly full of xchat logs :P | 14:24 |
| X-Fade | Hmm all these people forgetting qmake as Build-Depends. | 14:25 |
| X-Fade | I wonder how we can explain that better. And especially where. | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | X-Fade, do people generally make their own debian packages with qt | 14:26 |
| lcuk | ie, should the qmake depend be something automatic from qt side | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | lcuk: Yes, but they just do apt-get install qmake once. | 14:27 |
| lcuk | or is this for people who use pyqt | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | wow, chromium's cache is about 80MBs | 14:27 |
| X-Fade | So then they have qmake. | 14:27 |
| lcuk | yes, but what makes the package for them | 14:27 |
| lcuk | are qt people still hand building them | 14:27 |
| lcuk | or does qt itself generate that lot | 14:27 |
| lcuk | madde | 14:27 |
| MohammadAG | dpkg-buildpackage afaik | 14:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer mooos and checks accesslist | 14:27 | |
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| MohammadAG | pypackager for pyQt | 14:28 |
| MohammadAG | qmake and make for Qt | 14:28 |
| MohammadAG | at least that's how facebrick works | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~trout qmake | 14:29 |
| * infobot slaps qmake around a bit with a large trout! | 14:29 | |
| larsivi | did run_standalone.sh disappear? | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | other than awk, is there a way to remove something from output? | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | larsivi, it's - not _ | 14:31 |
| MohammadAG | run-standalone.sh | 14:31 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: A lot of Qt apps might be being packaged by Qt Creater/MADDE | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: grep -v ? | 14:33 |
| larsivi | MohammadAG: eh, seems like bash broke somehow | 14:34 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, of course, i dont know how a package is actually defined in qt | 14:34 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: me neither | 14:34 |
| lcuk | w00t_, noobmonk3y you both have qt apps from different angles, how do you go from code to a debian package and was it an automatic process | 14:35 |
| lcuk | or did you have to use the debian toolings | 14:35 |
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| Treibholz | http://tmp.uxix.de/Screenshot-20100416-131106.png | 14:36 |
| * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer | 14:36 | |
| Treibholz | Ctrl+Shift+O | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | i should read some man-s | 14:36 |
| Treibholz | is that meant as a joke? | 14:36 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: myself and MohammadAG hacked up the Qt example packaging until it did (most of) my bidding | 14:36 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, may I answer that? | 14:37 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: what Jaffa says is pretty correct though, for simple apps, MADDE makes it a lot easier | 14:37 |
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| lcuk | anyone can, its just to see whether anything in the toolchain needs to be added to ensure qmake is added as a build dependency | 14:37 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, noobmonk3y uses pypackager | 14:38 |
| lcuk | based on X-Fade's observation | 14:38 |
| w00t_ | no | 14:38 |
| w00t_ | well, yes | 14:38 |
| w00t_ | (I'm being decisive today, eh?) | 14:38 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, im guessing pypackager doesnt need qmake because the python apps dont use it | 14:38 |
| w00t_ | yup | 14:38 |
| lcuk | human | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | w00t_, calls the qmake in rules | 14:39 |
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| MohammadAG | :) | 14:39 |
| rmrfchik | can't get sdlquake works with russian keybd layout :( | 14:39 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, nope, it only puts the .py (and the other code stuff) into a tar.gz with the normal .dsc and .changes files | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | there isn't even a makefile | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | ~ping | 14:40 |
| infobot | ~pong | 14:40 |
| jacekowski | i think i "fixed" that capslock issue in chrome | 14:41 |
| lcuk | yeah MohammadAG i know its very minimal with no boiler plate :) | 14:41 |
| jacekowski | well, worked around it | 14:41 |
| * lcuk likes that aspect of py | 14:41 | |
| MohammadAG | a minute lag | 14:41 |
| MohammadAG | 1* | 14:41 |
| lcuk | jacekowski, what was caps issue | 14:41 |
| lcuk | and does it also effect numeric entry | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: on N900? | 14:41 |
| lcuk | ie, you are bypassing hildon input method / gtk key routines | 14:41 |
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| lcuk | because if so, every framework has had to do it | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | lol lcuk | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | meh, tracker's indexes got corrupt | 14:42 |
| lcuk | gtk qt liqbase sdl edje | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, me? yeah | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | (oh and building python programs doesn't even need a PC) | 14:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so expect occasional lags | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, psm? | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | eh? | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | power saver | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, I guess it's to save power | 14:44 |
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| Treibholz | is your n900 getting slower over the uptime, too? | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | never noticed on mine, but seems a commonly observed issue | 14:47 |
| * lcuk looks puzzled | 14:47 | |
| lcuk | anyone seen my shoe? | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I ate it | 14:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | was tasty | 14:47 |
| lcuk | mmmm toe cheese | 14:48 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~scramble lcuk | 14:50 |
| infobot | luck | 14:50 |
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| DocScrutinizer | or was it | 14:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~scramble luck | 14:51 |
| infobot | lcuk | 14:51 |
| * noobmonk3y is back from lunch | 14:52 | |
| noobmonk3y | what did i miss? | 14:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | PR1.6 | 14:52 |
| MohammadAG | ~curse tracker | 14:53 |
| d14 | :))) | 14:53 |
| infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, tracker ! | 14:53 |
| noobmonk3y | sweeeeeeeeeeeet | 14:53 |
| noobmonk3y | ~overclock MohammadAG | 14:53 |
| * infobot overclocks MohammadAG until MohammadAG burns out! | 14:53 | |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 14:55 |
| crashanddie | heh, nice way to spam lcuk | 14:55 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders who added the ~overclock | 14:55 | |
| hrw | re | 14:55 |
| write_erase | Hi ... I just bought a used N900. How can I reset it (full reset) . Thx | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | ~factinfo overclock | 14:56 |
| infobot | overclock -- it has been requested 2 times, last by pcj at Fri Nov 21 10:46:58 2008. | 14:56 |
| hrw | write_erase: just reflash it | 14:56 |
| crashanddie | ~listkeys overclock | 14:56 |
| infobot | Factoid search of 'overclock' by key (3): overclock ;; cmd: overclock (.*?) ;; overclocking. | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal overclock | 14:56 |
| infobot | "overclock" is "<REPLY> I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm." | 14:56 |
| write_erase | hrw, flashing RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? will remove everything ? | 14:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~literal overclock xx | 14:57 |
| nid0 | yes | 14:57 |
| * infobot overclocks xx until xx burns out! | 14:57 | |
| noobmonk3y | write - yup :D | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | write_erase: yes | 14:58 |
| noobmonk3y | ~Underclock DocScrutinizer | 14:58 |
| noobmonk3y | lol ;) - i confuzzled infobot | 14:58 |
| write_erase | Ok .. Thx . I'm in France... is that "Global release" or "Middle East and North Africa release" ? not sure | 14:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | use 'global' | 14:59 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!! - http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sd4aOA0Ur-I/S0pCLseeaPI/AAAAAAAAJfg/6jg-YHKaec8/s1600-h/YRoqC-776238%5B5%5D.jpg | 14:59 |
| write_erase | fine . Thx | 14:59 |
| MohammadAG | ~flashing | 14:59 |
| infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 14:59 |
| noobmonk3y | ~flasher | 15:00 |
| infobot | [flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | i dont beleive infobot | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | i'm sure there is another meaning for flasher | 15:00 |
| noobmonk3y | ~Icecream | 15:00 |
| infobot | well, icecream is the greatest food in the world, along with a distributed compiler, that distributes not only its compile work, but also the tools as a chrootable tar. | 15:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell noobmonk3y about /query | 15:01 |
| hrw | ;D | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~tell noobmonk3y about icecream | 15:01 |
| noobmonk3y | ;) | 15:01 |
| noobmonk3y | seems like fail on toast to me | 15:01 |
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| noobmonk3y | docscrutinizer wants you to know: i heard icecream is the greatest food in the world, along with a distributed compiler, that distributes not only its compile work, but also the tools as a chrootable tar. | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | delayed infobot! | 15:04 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 15:04 |
| crashanddie | "Hi, I have version string <abc> of my app. I deleted version <abc> from my server. I uploaded version string <abc> to the server. Logs show that version is <abc>. Is there anything wrong? | 15:05 |
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| crashanddie | "Yes, you're an idiot. | 15:05 |
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| jacekowski | blowjob and icecream in polish translate to same word | 15:07 |
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| crashanddie | DBA sees error ("Not enough file handles"). DBA goes to boss, and tells boss to increase handle count. Boss tells DBA to call <product> support. Support goon: "You have an outdated version, I can overnight deliver a CD with the update" DBA: "That's not fast enough" Support goon: "I can fax it" DBA: "What about our FTP" Support goon: "Yes, I can fax it to your FTP, what is the number please?" | 15:08 |
| crashanddie | full story at TDWTF | 15:08 |
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| Arkenoi | oops, having decent contacts merge is WONTFIX for maemo :-/ | 15:09 |
| pupnik | and these people... have... JOBS | 15:09 |
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| crashanddie | pupnik: I can tell you of people in my company... | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | This chick, part of "tech pubs" | 15:12 |
| crashanddie | it's basically a department who's sole role is to go through technical documents that we deliver to customers, and ensure that they are up to the same standard | 15:12 |
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| pupnik | i worked in a similar role | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | this means spelling, grammar, Engrish, size of screenshots, fonts, text alignment, templates, the lot | 15:13 |
| pupnik | oh | 15:13 |
| crashanddie | She has never been able to spell my name right | 15:13 |
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| crashanddie | I asked her to review a document for customer X | 15:14 |
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| crashanddie | She reviewed it, left it in a worse state than I did (I'm extremely anal about templates), botched half the template, and sent it to postmaster@customer.com | 15:14 |
| crashanddie | WTF? | 15:15 |
| pupnik | nice one | 15:15 |
| noobmonk3y | lol i love seeing russian web pages translated by google :) | 15:16 |
| * Arkenoi thinks i never seen a company where postmaster mailbox actually gets read for 12 years at least | 15:16 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~scramble crashanddie | 15:17 |
| infobot | cadndrshiae | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | like that? :-P | 15:17 |
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| * DocScrutinizer sends cadndrshiae to postmaster@braindead.nul | 15:18 | |
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| tazz | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/ruby-maemo/nonne/ gives a 404 | 15:25 |
| hrw | 2007 == chinook? | 15:25 |
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| write_erase | Are there tricks to sync my N900 with ovi contacts ? | 15:26 |
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| Arkenoi | syncevolution might work | 15:27 |
| tazz | ooh my bad, i landed on that 2007 page from google. While searching for maemo+ruby | 15:27 |
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| write_erase | Thx | 15:30 |
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| ZogG | sup? | 15:34 |
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| * ZogG feels the breath of PR1.2 in his back | 15:34 | |
| Surfa | has anyone faced the problem that mfe for m.google.com doesn't work anymore? | 15:34 |
| Jaffa | ZogG: Lucky you. How? ;-) | 15:35 |
| Surfa | it doesn't seem to get a connection anymore | 15:35 |
| Jaffa | Surfa: There are very few people for whom it works reliably. Use a free Nuevasync account as a proxy. | 15:35 |
| Surfa | independently on the access connectivity | 15:35 |
| Surfa | hmh, it worked very well for a month or two.. :) | 15:36 |
| Surfa | now it hasn't been working for two days at all | 15:36 |
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| * Arkenoi uses nuevasync. it sucks anyways. | 15:36 | |
| ZogG | Jaffa i just feel it | 15:38 |
| Khertan_Home | Surfa, sometime it s work sometimes it doesn't | 15:38 |
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| RST38h | moo Arkenoi | 15:39 |
| Surfa | Khertan_Home, ok, so is it google or n900 related problem? | 15:40 |
| wazd | http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/04/500x_noflashonipad_01.jpg | 15:40 |
| wazd | epic :D | 15:40 |
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| Khertan_Home | Surfa, n900 | 15:41 |
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| Arkenoi | moo | 15:42 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, does your screen still crackle? | 15:43 |
| noobmonk3y | erm, good point, not in the last week or two | 15:43 |
| noobmonk3y | looks like it really was temperature | 15:44 |
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| Surfa | Khertan_Home, hmh, ok | 15:45 |
| Khertan_Home | Surfa, this is the same when trying to send email | 15:45 |
| Khertan_Home | sometimes it s works | 15:45 |
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| Khertan_Home | sometimes it s doesn't during 3, 4 or 5 days | 15:45 |
| Khertan_Home | but ... at the same time ... i didn't got any problem with other device on the same account | 15:46 |
| nid0 | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_sd4aOA0Ur-I/S0pCLseeaPI/AAAAAAAAJfg/6jg-YHKaec8/s1600-h/YRoqC-776238%5B5%5D.jpg | 15:46 |
| pupnik | pretty goof | 15:48 |
| pupnik | d | 15:48 |
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| ZogG | old | 15:51 |
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| ZogG | http://500motivators.com/plog-content/thumbs/motivate/me/large/582-linux-windows-mac-choose-your-weapon.jpg | 15:51 |
| ZogG | that one is better | 15:51 |
| ZogG | and http://420.thrashbarg.net/linux_windows_mac_shawing_electric_razor_bowling_pin.jpg | 15:52 |
| ZogG | shawing =)))) fail | 15:52 |
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| thresh | who let a douchebag in the channel? | 15:53 |
| Wolfie | where's the trollkicker? | 15:53 |
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| Treibholz | who needs flash? | 15:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | huh? who needs a kick? | 15:54 |
| lcuk | me, theres some nasty grime on the kitchen worktop | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | me me me! | 15:54 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:54 |
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| pronto | you you you! | 15:54 |
| Treibholz | flash is a disease, that needs to be cut out of the net | 15:54 |
| nid0 | I really could use the motivation to wash up after last night's curry | 15:54 |
| ZogG | thresh Wolfie hey, wht's wrong? | 15:54 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DocScrutinizer | 15:54 | |
| Wolfie | ZogG: your flamboyant trolling | 15:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | so, what's up now? | 15:55 |
| ZogG | DocScrutinizer, they meant me | 15:55 |
| ZogG | Wolfie, you are boring | 15:55 |
| ZogG | and there is trolling to say others are trolling | 15:55 |
| Wolfie | that might be, but it's also irrelevant | 15:55 |
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| ZogG | just chill out and if you don't like something - just ignore - ok? | 15:55 |
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| thresh | ZogG: you pasting stupid links here | 15:56 |
| ZogG | if you read log - you'll understand | 15:56 |
| ZogG | it was responce | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ZogG seemed to answer nid0 | 15:56 |
| ZogG | i hate those guys who play srs | 15:56 |
| hrw | and forgot to add his nick ;( | 15:56 |
| ZogG | but they don't understand what's going on | 15:57 |
| ZogG | just learn to talk on IRC | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so stop it now, gentlemen | 15:57 |
| ccooke | Hmm. There aren't really enough libs in the repositories to build sensible ruby n900 apps, are there? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | a non-issue | 15:57 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if you don't end up kicking anyone kick me, don't want that /cs op to go to waste :P | 15:57 |
| Termana | All your base is belong to DocScrutinizer | 15:57 |
| Termana | Except mine, because he can't see what I say | 15:58 |
| ZogG | you can kick me so MohammadAG will be relaxed =) | 15:58 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o DocScrutinizer | 15:58 | |
| MohammadAG | aww | 15:58 |
| Termana | So, I guess all my base is belong to crashanddie | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | i had the cyberbullying authority's site open | 15:58 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 15:58 |
| Termana | MohammadAG: lol | 15:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: nah, somebody convinced me I mustn't keep you on my ignore list | 15:58 |
| parim | hwy every one, is there a way to video chat on the N810 with Skype? | 15:58 |
| ZogG | i'm ready to be sacrificed for all good | 15:58 |
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| ccooke | parim: no. Nor can anyone but skype themselves provide a means of doing so | 15:59 |
| ZogG | skype is going to be open source don't they | 15:59 |
| * MohammadAG wonders how Fring pulled it off on S60 devices | 15:59 | |
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| ZogG | they announced it like months ago | 15:59 |
| ZogG | but nothing changed | 15:59 |
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| parim | cooke: does video chat work with fring? | 16:00 |
| ZogG | MohammadAG, magic | 16:00 |
| Termana | DocScrutinizer: Ah ok. Well, I'm sorry about the other day anyway, I didn't mean to be so personal and let my feelings of the topic get in the way of the discussion | 16:00 |
| nid0 | ZogG: what theyre working on is an open-sourced-ui client for *nix | 16:01 |
| nid0 | the protocol itself remains closed | 16:01 |
| Treibholz | hmm, where are the contacts stored? | 16:01 |
| ccooke | MohammadAG: IIRC they did a deal with skype | 16:01 |
| ZogG | but is there api or something? | 16:01 |
| ccooke | parim: pass, never tried fring | 16:01 |
| parim | thanks ccooke | 16:01 |
| ZogG | cause you can make your client to use protocol and than you can get video or what ever for maemo | 16:02 |
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| ZogG | i don't know what is fring | 16:02 |
| ZogG | i mean i saw the screenies | 16:02 |
| ZogG | never tried it | 16:02 |
| ZogG | it's useless for me - cause no friends use it | 16:02 |
| ZogG | or it can use other protocols? | 16:02 |
| Treibholz | .osso-abook/db ... eeeejjkk BerkeleyDB! | 16:03 |
| nid0 | fring supports basically everything | 16:03 |
| ZogG | oh | 16:03 |
| ZogG | does maemo5 have it | 16:04 |
| ZogG | i think i saw it on ovi | 16:04 |
| ZogG | lamovi =) | 16:04 |
| parim | ZogG: fing supports SKype, MSN, gtalk, yahoo, icq, aim, sip, xmpp | 16:04 |
| hrw | nid0: but what for fring can be used what is not in contacts already (when plugins installed) | 16:04 |
| hrw | parim: I have those already without fring | 16:04 |
| ZogG | anyway pidign is enuf | 16:04 |
| hrw | but I use only jabber/icq/skype | 16:04 |
| nid0 | hrw: for me nothing, I was just telling ZogG what it does. | 16:04 |
| nid0 | personally though ill switch immediately to any mobile msn client that finally brings multi location signin | 16:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | Termana: k, accepted | 16:05 |
| ZogG | i need videocalls on maemo and intagrated with contacts (with other protocols than phone also) so i wouldn't use other app | 16:05 |
| ccooke | (hmm. Maybe ruby daemons and python for the UI would work...) | 16:05 |
| tazz | Hello i seemed to have messed up my repository config for my nokia n900. I tried adding maemo extras-devel repository manually via vim | 16:05 |
| parim | hrw: i was just answeing a ZogG`s question | 16:05 |
| hrw | ZogG: if you want video calls then maemo is wrong choice | 16:06 |
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| tazz | any way for me to restore my repository settings? | 16:06 |
| ZogG | parasight, nid0 don't fight guys, i love you both same | 16:06 |
| ZogG | hrw, it's not that i need | 16:06 |
| hrw | ZogG: maemo5 will rather never get video calls | 16:06 |
| ZogG | there is a difference | 16:06 |
| ZogG | i want | 16:06 |
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| ZogG | i hardly used them on old phone btw | 16:07 |
| ZogG | but it would be nice to have camsex on maemo =) | 16:07 |
| ZogG | hrw, you can't be sure | 16:07 |
| ZogG | as well i think meego will be ported to n900 and maybe it would have it | 16:08 |
| mikki-kun | i heard somewhere that meego will be ported to the n900 towards the end of this year | 16:08 |
| mikki-kun | *looking* | 16:08 |
| ZogG | yes i read it | 16:09 |
| ZogG | but it's not like that | 16:09 |
| hrw | ZogG: when meego will reach usable state on n900 I will use other phone | 16:09 |
| ZogG | the nokia's meego would be developed on n900 | 16:09 |
| ZogG | but it's only base | 16:09 |
| ZogG | not really full function os as i understand | 16:09 |
| ZogG | hrw i hope i wouldn't | 16:09 |
| parim | isnt there a dev release of meego for the n900? | 16:09 |
| nid0 | yes | 16:10 |
| hrw | ZogG: will be developed but then will be released with successor of n900 | 16:10 |
| Khertan_Home | just an xterm currently :) | 16:10 |
| ZogG | parim, if you want to have terminal and only terminal on phone | 16:10 |
| Khertan_Home | but the base is here | 16:10 |
| ZogG | hrw that's what i said | 16:10 |
| nid0 | n900 + development releases = definitely happening. n900 + community-ported usable meego releases = probably. n900 + fully productised and nokia-supported meego release = maybe/maybe not | 16:10 |
| ZogG | nid0 maybe not or not =) | 16:11 |
| alterego | So, I'm looking at the Qt 4.6 documentation, and for the QLineEdit there's mention of the placeholderText property, which is obviously a requirement of the UI guidelines. | 16:12 |
| alterego | It says "This property was introduced in Qt 4.7" | 16:12 |
| alterego | And low and behold, it's not in my dev libararies :( | 16:12 |
| ZogG | alterego, oh | 16:12 |
| ZogG | are you the one from altergeo.ru? | 16:12 |
| alterego | ZogG: nope | 16:13 |
| ZogG | or something like that | 16:13 |
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| BenjaminWilk | hey | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | i have a directory on my n900 | 16:22 |
| BenjaminWilk | which is called Mac OS | 16:23 |
| BenjaminWilk | whats that? | 16:23 |
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| furunk3l | i think its for people that want to access their stuff on mac | 16:23 |
| ZogG | i had it too | 16:23 |
| furunk3l | links to the different directories on the n900 | 16:23 |
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| furunk3l | videos, pictures and so on | 16:24 |
| BenjaminWilk | hö? | 16:24 |
| BenjaminWilk | do not understand it | 16:24 |
| furunk3l | if your n900 is connected via usb | 16:24 |
| hrw | thats crap which nokia left for you | 16:24 |
| frals | short story, dont delete it, it does no harm | 16:24 |
| BenjaminWilk | so its useless? | 16:24 |
| frals | its v. useful if you ever gonna plug it in in a mac | 16:24 |
| BenjaminWilk | i should not delete it? | 16:25 |
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| BenjaminWilk | but i have no mac | 16:25 |
| BenjaminWilk | :-) | 16:25 |
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| ZogG | BenjaminWilk delete mac =) | 16:26 |
| BenjaminWilk | sure? | 16:27 |
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| frals | unless you have a good reason to remove it, id say leave it just in case | 16:27 |
| frals | its not like it takes up any significant amount of space | 16:27 |
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| BenjaminWilk | yes | 16:27 |
| BenjaminWilk | ok | 16:27 |
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| Surfa | Khertan_Home, sounds anyway weird, because it hasn't work for three days at all | 16:28 |
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| Khertan_Home | Surfa, most of the time ... i delete the account ... recreate it ... and it s works | 16:29 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 16:29 |
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| Surfa | doesn't sound very useful | 16:30 |
| Surfa | :( | 16:30 |
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| ZogG | yay net split | 16:37 |
| ZogG | yaya =) | 16:37 |
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| rmrfchik | mmm.. can't register on maemo.org; already have account in talk and garage. | 16:39 |
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| * Khertan_Home don't find where to change his password on maemo.org | 16:39 | |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 16:39 |
| rmrfchik | those logins aren't accepted on https://maemo.org/community/ | 16:40 |
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| ZogG | so just talked to some guy | 16:47 |
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| ZogG | he is dev of some interesting program for phones and win | 16:47 |
| ZogG | it's like twit but geo | 16:47 |
| jacekowski | that's fun | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | key-press-event are sent correctly | 16:48 |
| ZogG | it's like you see everyone on map | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | with correct character case | 16:48 |
| ZogG | you can talk to them and make friends | 16:48 |
| jacekowski | but commit event is send incorrectly | 16:48 |
| ZogG | kinda social gps thing | 16:48 |
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| jacekowski | hildon is for some reason messing up letters | 16:53 |
| redeeman | insanely huge? | 16:53 |
| jacekowski | sort of | 16:54 |
| redeeman | that happened once in the network dialog for me | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | i mean when i press a key | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | in text box | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | it makes them uppercase | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | and if i hold it for a while letters change to lowercase | 16:54 |
| jacekowski | i can work around it because key events are correct | 16:55 |
| jacekowski | but then i'll lose all nice hildon features | 16:55 |
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| ptl | Does anyone know what's happening with the repositories? I force-installed two of these "updateable" packages but I am not afraid that it might be a trojan (since there is a size mismatch). Is my fear justifiable? | 16:56 |
| ptl | s/I am not afraid/I am now afraid/ | 16:56 |
| frals | probably due to caching proxy not been updated yet from the mass-rebuild earlier today | 16:57 |
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| ptl | but the versions of the packages are the same as the installed versions | 16:57 |
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| ptl | so why does it try to update them at all? | 16:57 |
| ptl | priority issues? | 16:57 |
| jacekowski | because some of these packages are for 1.2 and some are for 1.1 | 16:58 |
| frals | yeah no version diff as its been rebuilt to work for 1.1.1 even thou its built on 1.2 builder | 16:58 |
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| frals | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-announce/2010-April/000052.html | 16:58 |
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| ptl | oh, I see | 17:00 |
| ptl | thanks. | 17:00 |
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| Zeddy | the desktop widget player is bugged | 17:20 |
| Zeddy | if i pause it, and then after lets say 10 hours make a call, the call ends and what happends? the player starts playing :p | 17:20 |
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| Zeddy | sucky programming i say | 17:20 |
| frals | interesting how /etc/operator_settings dictates that vodafone mms dns servers are 0.0.0.0 and 0.0.0.0 | 17:21 |
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| jacekowski | g_signal_connect(context_, "commit",G_CALLBACK(HandleCommitThunk), this); | 17:22 |
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| jacekowski | hmmm | 17:22 |
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| PhonicUK | hey all | 17:24 |
| PhonicUK | is pr 1.2 out? | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | No | 17:24 |
| Zeddy | huh | 17:24 |
| Jaffa | Next? | 17:24 |
| toresbe | What's the ETA? | 17:25 |
| Zeddy | crappy version anyways | 17:25 |
| Zeddy | nothing to wait for | 17:25 |
| toresbe | Zeddy: Video improvements? | 17:25 |
| Zeddy | say what? | 17:25 |
| Zeddy | whats wrong with the video ::p | 17:25 |
| toresbe | ...ok | 17:25 |
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| hrw | toresbe: 12 November | 17:26 |
| jacekowski | pr1.2 out? | 17:27 |
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| Khertan_Home | Zeddy, pyside 0.3.0 | 17:27 |
| Khertan_Home | so not so crappy | 17:27 |
| Khertan_Home | at least for me :) | 17:27 |
| Khertan_Home | and some mfe fix | 17:27 |
| Khertan_Home | which will be welcome | 17:27 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 17:27 |
| auenf | i might get my n900 (with PR1.2 pre-installed) before you get to download it ;) | 17:28 |
| Khertan_Home | jacekowski, NO | 17:28 |
| Khertan_Home | auenf, oh your estimated delivery date is 12 September 2010 ? | 17:28 |
| toresbe | hrw: You're kidding!? | 17:28 |
| hrw | toresbe: why you think so? | 17:28 |
| toresbe | hrw: Wasn't it "any day now" in March? | 17:29 |
| hrw | toresbe: no, it was 'next week' in february | 17:29 |
| Khertan_Home | toresbe, yep but the year was missing | 17:29 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 17:29 |
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| hrw | toresbe: and as nokia does not give any release dates for maemo 12 November sounds good | 17:30 |
| toresbe | hrw: heh | 17:30 |
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| jacekowski | they could just tell the truth | 17:30 |
| jacekowski | that there will be no 1.2 | 17:30 |
| Treibholz | arggghggg!!! why is there no bsdbd-module for python in maemo? | 17:30 |
| n900-dk | Is the provisioning problem with Exchange only on ME2003, or is it the same with ME2007? | 17:30 |
| toresbe | jacekowski: that's not the case... delays are common | 17:30 |
| hrw | jacekowski: what for? now they have great situation | 17:31 |
| jacekowski | toresbe: remember that they are working on meego now | 17:31 |
| Treibholz | n900-dk: works fine here with 2007 | 17:31 |
| hrw | jacekowski: remember that nokia is quite big company - they have enough people for two teams | 17:31 |
| frals | Treibholz: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9865 vote ;-) | 17:31 |
| povbot | Bug 9865: Python missing bsddb module | 17:31 |
| toresbe | jacekowski: I'm open to that meaning "no 1.3" but 1.2 is mostly done, most likely | 17:31 |
| Treibholz | thanks. | 17:32 |
| n900-dk | Treibholz: And your ME-server only allows provisionable devices? Or is it not a setting in ME2007? | 17:32 |
| frals | n900-dk: the "provisioning" problem should be unrelated to exchange version as it the device does not support provisioning | 17:32 |
| n900-dk | frals: I thought so.. :-/ | 17:32 |
| Treibholz | n900-dk: oh... ahrm... | 17:32 |
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| hrw | jacekowski: and now they have pr1.2 inside (which no one use as they rather prefer more fresh images) so they can check amount of users/devs leaving platform just due to lack of updates | 17:33 |
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| n900-dk | So if my company upgrades from ME2003, then it wouldn't solve the problem | 17:33 |
| hrw | month after 1.2 they will release 1.2.1 just to keep people complaining 'when 1.3???' | 17:33 |
| Khertan_Home | hrw, ? | 17:33 |
| frals | n900-dk: nope, it shouldnt | 17:33 |
| n900-dk | damn | 17:34 |
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| andrewfblack | jacekowski: did you got to Florida Linux show last year? | 17:34 |
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| frals | n900-dk: if you can get your company to upgrade exchange, isnt it easier to ask them to allow you to use a non-provisionable device? ;) | 17:34 |
| Khertan_Home | hrw, there is some many dev leaving the plateform ? | 17:34 |
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| n900-dk | frals: Unfortunately I think, that I can't get them to do either | 17:35 |
| hrw | Khertan_Home: maemo never had big amount of devs. mess about 1.2 upgrade does not helps to add new ones | 17:35 |
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| n900-dk | Is the iphone a provisionable device? | 17:36 |
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| Khertan_Home | hrw, at least ... for me i ve stop for the moment any specifics maemo dev ... i was tiring with qa testing and other aspects of some maemo users | 17:36 |
| Khertan_Home | hrw, but to be honest i know only three guy which have stop dev for maemo and i count me in this number | 17:37 |
| hrw | Khertan_Home: I stopped any development because I need Qt 4.6 and extras-devel one require PR 1.2 to be usable | 17:37 |
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| Khertan_Home | hrw, :) for the moment i m learning Qt with python | 17:37 |
| n900-dk | Is it the restrictions in the OS, that makes a device non-provisionable? | 17:37 |
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| hrw | autorotation for Qt apps is present in Qt 4.6 - require PR 1.2 even if you use 1.1.1 packages | 17:37 |
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| Khertan_Home | hrw, while i m still making apps for me ... i'm not sure i ll made them available ... | 17:38 |
| frals | n900-dk: in theory the OS should allow the MfE application to enforce a few settings | 17:38 |
| frals | n900-dk: if someone would write their own application it could probably report its provisionable even though it isnt | 17:38 |
| Khertan_Home | hrw, this is like mnotes ... my own notes taking apps ... with his own web cloud sync :) | 17:38 |
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| Khertan_Home | hrw, good to hear that autorotation is available | 17:39 |
| Khertan_Home | :) | 17:39 |
| Khertan_Home | in qt 4.6 | 17:39 |
| hrw | Khertan_Home: but you need pr 1.2 to use it | 17:39 |
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| achipa | you can do it in 4.5, too , it's just that it's a lot uglier | 17:39 |
| Khertan_Home | did you use qt with python ? | 17:39 |
| hrw | Khertan_Home: no, with c++ only | 17:39 |
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| n900-dk | frals: So int theory maybe pr1.2 could make it provisionable? | 17:39 |
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| lcuk | which version of qt is pyqt running ontop of | 17:39 |
| n900-dk | s/int/in/ | 17:39 |
| Khertan_Home | lcuk, don't know | 17:40 |
| frals | n900-dk: pretty sure nokia cant fake provisionability (is that even a word?) without getting eaten my microsoft | 17:40 |
| hrw | achipa: working autorotation with qt 4.6 is possible with pr1.1.1 but in ugly way (listening to dbus events + rotating when they happen) | 17:40 |
| Khertan_Home | i got strange things with pyqt and pyside currently | 17:40 |
| Khertan_Home | but i think this is just because pyside in extras is 0.2.0 (an old version) | 17:40 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, when a Qt app rotates here it has enlarged fonts | 17:41 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG: qt 4.5? | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | sec | 17:41 |
| n900-dk | Guess I will never be able to use exchange on my device then.. | 17:41 |
| hrw | MohammadAG: 4.6 works normally here | 17:41 |
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| achipa | hrw: but then you could just use the premade classes for that | 17:41 |
| Khertan_Home | hum ... be back ... 10.04 beta 2 install require reboot | 17:41 |
| Khertan_Home | bye | 17:42 |
| MohammadAG | hrw, 4.6.2 | 17:42 |
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| MohammadAG | khertan just made one big mistake installing 10.04 | 17:42 |
| hrw | achipa: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player/commit/047c161675b2bf68abbdb089a80e2b71b3c8fb95 was my change from working autorotation -> PR1.2 way one | 17:42 |
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| hrw | achipa: http://gitorious.org/qt-module-player/qt-module-player/commit/be106df1f15875e4b3e47b58f3489957427f6509 added first version of autorotation to my app | 17:43 |
| achipa | hrw: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Qt_Extra_Libraries#Minimal_API_documentation | 17:43 |
| n900-dk | frals: So what is needed, is that a new version of OS, that allow MfE to enforce these settings, and a new version of MfE on maemo, that supports this? | 17:44 |
| achipa | that kind of wrapped the ugliness for old stuff | 17:44 |
| frals | n900-dk: from what ive gathered yes | 17:44 |
| frals | n900-dk: there is a whole thread about MfE on talk.maemo.org, i suggest you read it :) | 17:44 |
| hrw | achipa: I do not like to use external libs just because they let me avoid 1 one of code (PR1.2) or working code from Qt documentation | 17:44 |
| achipa | hrw: I did say it was an ugly solution :) | 17:45 |
| hrw | achipa: "Maemo Qt Extra Libraries are extensions to the community supported Qt (version 4.5) " | 17:45 |
| n900-dk | frals: I did, but it never seemed to reach any conclusion of what is needed for getting this to work | 17:45 |
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| hrw | achipa: I once tried Qt 4.5/maemo and then decided not go that way anymore | 17:45 |
| achipa | hrw: slightly painful, yes | 17:46 |
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| hrw | achipa: it is ugly | 17:46 |
| hrw | not follows UI guidelines etc | 17:46 |
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| achipa | hrw: but 4.6 will cause headache with the custom QMaemo5 classes and funky properties, just wait for it... :) | 17:46 |
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| hrw | achipa: I use Qt 4.6 with Maemo5 things | 17:47 |
| hrw | achipa: look at my app code | 17:47 |
| Treibholz | is there another way to dump the addressbook in the terminal? | 17:47 |
| n900-dk | guess the iphone must be a provisionable device, since exchange works fine for some of my colleagues.. | 17:48 |
| zash | Treibholz: evolution-addressbook-export ? | 17:48 |
| achipa | hrw: that's what I'm saying. That's not solid stuff, I would bet that API will be broken sooner or later | 17:48 |
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| Treibholz | zash: command not found | 17:50 |
| noobmonk3y | ~upstream | 17:51 |
| Treibholz | n900-dk: what exactly is a 'provisionable device'? | 17:52 |
| noobmonk3y | meh - even infobot is baffled by that phrase.... why can't techies speak english....... | 17:52 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y, who mentioned upstream to you | 17:53 |
| lcuk | and its where original code comes from | 17:53 |
| noobmonk3y | read it all the time in the forums, and just read it on that Ari Jaaksi interview page | 17:53 |
| noobmonk3y | "How will the open development model and working so closely with upstream partners help to position MeeGo for success? " | 17:53 |
| noobmonk3y | i can't see all developers living at the end of the amazon tbf | 17:53 |
| lcuk | top of mountains | 17:54 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 17:54 |
| lcuk | GTK is "upstream" to the version we have in maemo | 17:54 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 17:54 |
| noobmonk3y | GTK is GTK it aint no stream! | 17:54 |
| n900-dk | Treibholz: from what I understand, it is a device that can and will follow some security policies, that the Exchange-server can demand. | 17:54 |
| lcuk | theres slight differences and tweaks made here | 17:54 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhh ok, so python V pymaemo? | 17:54 |
| lcuk | python is special | 17:55 |
| noobmonk3y | is hacked to shreds to work for us, but the upstream version is the original | 17:55 |
| lcuk | upstream is a yellow line | 17:55 |
| lcuk | fair | 17:55 |
| noobmonk3y | wow, upstream is on a london road? | 17:55 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~dict upstream | 17:55 |
| noobmonk3y | now i'm just confuuuuuuuused | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 17:55 |
| MohammadAG | infobot died | 17:56 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: Infobot hates upstream as much as i do | 17:56 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, suppose someone takes healthcheck | 17:56 |
| MohammadAG | it's not in the list | 17:56 |
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| lcuk | and uses it on ubuntu | 17:56 |
| noobmonk3y | ahhhh ok | 17:56 |
| lcuk | and makes some changes to it | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | ouch | 17:56 |
| lcuk | YOU are upstream | 17:56 |
| noobmonk3y | well technically healthcheck being qt should work, but i know what you mean - not its initial intended use | 17:56 |
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| MohammadAG | wrong button | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 17:57 |
| noobmonk3y | ~slap infobot | 17:57 |
| noobmonk3y | nope... not playing ball | 17:57 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, it got killed I think | 17:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ibot is down | 17:58 |
| noobmonk3y | ibot is going down on who you say? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | what brought it down | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y | 17:59 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer | 17:59 |
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| noobmonk3y | ffs webchat doesnt like messages, MohammadAG can you msg me please! | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, do I have to? :P | 18:01 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, can we block and ban people from irc? | 18:01 |
| noobmonk3y | nope :D | 18:01 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, kickban | 18:02 |
| noobmonk3y | thats only from here | 18:02 |
| noobmonk3y | he means glining? | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | gzlining is better :P | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ? | 18:02 |
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| MohammadAG | but iirc DocScrutinizer said no one has the perms in here | 18:02 |
| Treibholz | yeah! with a weird hack I can now use the addressbook in mutt on my workstation! :-) | 18:02 |
| lcuk | DocScrutinizer, just a question | 18:02 |
| lcuk | im not thinking of anyone in particular | 18:03 |
| * lcuk idly looks around at noobmonk3y for no reason | 18:03 | |
| * noobmonk3y farts | 18:03 | |
| DocScrutinizer | chanops kan ban from the chan they manage | 18:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | no chanop is supposed to kline a user from freenode | 18:03 |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 18:03 | |
| lcuk | i know DocScrutinizer im messin around | 18:03 |
| * noobmonk3y giggles | 18:04 | |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: one day... just one day ;) - you may be taken seriously! then there will be tears! | 18:04 |
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| lcuk | for you :p | 18:04 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:04 |
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| Khertan | Hi again ! | 18:04 |
| noobmonk3y | i blame Khertan | 18:04 |
| noobmonk3y | must be Khertan's fault by now? | 18:05 |
| noobmonk3y | oh hai Khertan | 18:05 |
| Khertan | gnié ? | 18:05 |
| Khertan | lol | 18:05 |
| Khertan | Hi noobmonk3y | 18:05 |
| noobmonk3y | is a gnie like a gnu? | 18:05 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:05 |
| frals | bah writing boring code is boring | 18:05 |
| lcuk | speaking of which i might actually do some tonight | 18:05 |
| Khertan | frals, yep as other boring things | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | somebody said netsplit? | 18:06 |
| noobmonk3y | nope | 18:06 |
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| Khertan | noobmonk3y, did you have some screenshot of healcheck ? | 18:06 |
| noobmonk3y | did i or do i? | 18:06 |
| noobmonk3y | some are on the tmo post | 18:06 |
| noobmonk3y | prob no new ones | 18:06 |
| lcuk | frals coding is fun! | 18:06 |
| noobmonk3y | but newish ones | 18:06 |
| Khertan | as what i got on my device isn't very a beautiful ui :) | 18:06 |
| noobmonk3y | lol its crap | 18:07 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:07 |
| frals | lcuk: yes! but not when its easy stuff ;P | 18:07 |
| noobmonk3y | but then i aint that beautiful, so it's only fair :D | 18:07 |
| lcuk | frals, you mean all the boilerplate | 18:07 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y, ok i ve just check your screenshot on first post | 18:07 |
| Khertan | what i got isn't that | 18:07 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 18:07 |
| Khertan | i ve clearly a problem with my qt install | 18:08 |
| lcuk | qt_khertan_edition | 18:08 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:08 |
| Khertan | yep ... strange things | 18:08 |
| lcuk | code once, crash anywhere | 18:08 |
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| Khertan | i think this is due to trying pyqt | 18:08 |
| noobmonk3y | Khertan: -- http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45453&page=43 ? closer? | 18:08 |
| Khertan | pyside | 18:08 |
| Khertan | mixing sdk package | 18:09 |
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| Khertan | and things like that :) | 18:09 |
| frals | hmm now comes the design decision | 18:09 |
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| frals | should i store all apn settings in fmms gconfdir or should i add them to osso/connectivity/iap and just mask out the sim imsi when fmms is not running? | 18:09 |
| Khertan | noobmonk3y, more something like really large font :) | 18:09 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo freaky deaky - lcuk didnt you have that once? | 18:09 |
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| Khertan | some text line are in front of others :) | 18:10 |
| noobmonk3y | i think you caught the lcuk lurgy Khertan | 18:10 |
| frals | the benefit of doing it in osso's dir is that ppl can manually connect to the apn, which is needed in some connection modes | 18:10 |
| Khertan | ok i think it s time to flash the device :) | 18:10 |
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| noobmonk3y | :D | 18:10 |
| frals | ... i should probably just mask it when its in connection mode havoc | 18:10 |
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| lcuk | frals, i dont quite understand the question. you want to create a new visible IAP sometimes | 18:12 |
| lcuk | ? | 18:12 |
| Khertan | me while downloading the fw image is trying brain party | 18:12 |
| Khertan | it s a nice game | 18:12 |
| frals | yeah depending on the connection mode configured in fmms the connection have to be conenctable in the CSD UI | 18:12 |
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| frals | 2 out of 3 modes need it to be visible | 18:13 |
| lcuk | and you can create an IAP from code | 18:13 |
| frals | yeah | 18:13 |
| frals | and i can hide it from the UI from my code as well | 18:14 |
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| frals | but all settings are still in gconf | 18:14 |
| lcuk | is it worth just adding a "make IAP" button in config rather than automatic? | 18:14 |
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| lcuk | or is that bit not the prob | 18:14 |
| frals | that bit is not the prob | 18:15 |
| frals | i was just thinking where i should save the settings but its pretty obvious i should do it where csd saves the iap's | 18:15 |
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| frals | just had to think about it for a minute :D | 18:15 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable | 18:15 |
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| yabba | stupid question, but am I only one who gets connection timeout when I try to use talk.maemo.org? | 18:16 |
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| Stskeeps | yabba: down for me too | 18:17 |
| frals | same here | 18:17 |
| frals | working again now :P | 18:17 |
| spliffy_ | not for me | 18:17 |
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| spliffy_ | i mean it does work here | 18:18 |
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| yabba | yeah, its working again :) It did the same thing yesterday to, some server maintain maybe? | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~ping | 18:18 |
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| infobot | ~pong | 18:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 18:20 |
| infobot | I'm on 43 channels: #debian/965, #maemo/556, #asterisk/252, #wowace/163, #wowuidev/128, #edev/60, #curseforge/49, #norganna/37, #sc2mapster/34, #/26, #openezx/25, #openjtag/24, #brlcad/24, ##kierra/23, ##essy/18, #waruidev/12, ##guleague/12, #arl/11, ##pxe/11, #pegasos.org/10, #debian-bots/10, ##ducleague/9, #botpark/8, #debian-france/6, #arm-netbook/4, #dub/4, ##ols/4, ##bz-inc/4, #ud/3, #linuxfund/3, #saygus/3, ##icf/3, ##bspress/3, ##t42/2, ... | 18:20 |
| infobot | i've cached 2518 users, 2151 unique users, distributed over 43 channels. | 18:20 |
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| lcuk | almost as many as me | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | should be >200 | 18:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo | 18:22 |
| infobot | I'm on 63 channels: #debian/963, #maemo/559, #kde/413, #gsoc/349, #asterisk/254, #openmoko/189, #wowace/163, #wowuidev/128, #htc-linux/98, #asterisk-dev/64, #edev/60, #bzflag/55, #curseforge/49, #elinux/40, #norganna/37, #gllug/36, #sc2mapster/33, #elive/27, #/26, #openezx/25, #openjtag/24, #asterisk-bugs/24, #brlcad/24, ##kierra/23, #handhelds/23, #bzflag-chat/19, ##essy/18, #asterisk-doc/14, #debianppc/13, #waruidev/12, ##guleague/12, #flyspray/11, ... | 18:23 |
| infobot | i've cached 3911 users, 3132 unique users, distributed over 63 channels. | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~stats | 18:23 |
| infobot | Since Fri Apr 16 15:05:14 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 17m 58s this session, and currently reference 116951 factoids. I'm using about 15908 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 15.56/1.78 child 0.1/0.02 | 18:23 |
| noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: stop chatting up infobot | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: stop killing infobot! | 18:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh, fair point | 18:24 |
| frals | i heard queries/dcc chats are pretty good for checking up on bots | 18:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals: dont give him ideas.... he will marry infobot next | 18:24 |
| frals | also, misclicking and ending up in a "waiting for pr1.2" thread is pretty depressing | 18:24 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals: just wait until the waiting for meego 1.0 or 1.1 thread......... :| | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | frals: you bet I got a query open to infobot all times | 18:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | the ~chat here was to demonstrate it's up since short time, and currently rejoining channels | 18:25 |
| * noobmonk3y is gonna go and enjoy the weekend | 18:26 | |
| frals | noobmonk3y: bastard! | 18:26 |
| lcuk | that sounds like a nice idea noobmonk3y | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | the first good idea you got since errr.. anyway will do same | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | interesting that meego.com was down for the same amount of time and at the same time as meamo.org :P | 18:26 |
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| lcuk | i have to take eldest and his mates to a concert later | 18:26 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: what concert? :D | 18:26 |
| frals | gah, need to get up and get my other charger, battery low on both devices :< | 18:26 |
| lcuk | so i cant start drinking till muuuuuuuuuuuuch more | 18:26 |
| lcuk | sunno hes got backstage pass tho | 18:27 |
| lcuk | dunno | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: and infobot | 18:27 |
| noobmonk3y | cool! | 18:27 |
| lcuk | yeah they are well excited | 18:27 |
| noobmonk3y | ooo its a threesome | 18:27 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 18:27 |
| noobmonk3y | [16:27] <noobmonk3y> ooo its a threesome [16:27] <lcuk> yeah they are well excited | 18:27 |
| frals | lol | 18:27 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: and netsplit here on freenode | 18:28 |
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| noobmonk3y | ~seen arif_ | 18:29 |
| infobot | arif_ <Arif@95.168.163.235> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 3h 34m 2s ago, saying: 'they're not exactly the same are they?'. | 18:29 |
| noobmonk3y | wow..... long time no spam! | 18:29 |
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| noobmonk3y | ~seen Qwerty12 | 18:29 |
| infobot | qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 133d 21h 5m 33s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'. | 18:29 |
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| lcuk | ~seen jott | 18:29 |
| infobot | jott <n=j@unaffiliated/jott> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 553d 14m 44s ago, saying: ':)'. | 18:29 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 18:29 |
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| noobmonk3y | who be jott? :| | 18:30 |
| lcuk | god | 18:30 |
| opdf2 | update file corrupted! maybe PR 1.2 is here lol | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | fairynuff | 18:30 |
| lcuk | :) excremely talented hacker | 18:30 |
| Khertan | opdf2, no | 18:30 |
| lcuk | extremely | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | opdf2: - naaa just HAM wind | 18:30 |
| FIQ | new 32GB microSDHC cards are being made atm | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk: hacked himself into invisibility? | 18:30 |
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| FIQ | would they work on N900? | 18:30 |
| noobmonk3y | FIQ: should do | 18:30 |
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| FIQ | ah | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | noobmonk3y: (Arif_) he's online, but not in #maemo. Probably he's thru with shouting and playing fun at him | 18:31 |
| noobmonk3y | awwwwwwwww | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | FIQ: s/made/sold/ | 18:32 |
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| BCMM | am i missing something, or is it impossible to open multiple PDFs? | 18:33 |
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| frals | guys quick licensing question | 18:35 |
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| frals | its ok to distribute my GPL code along with LGPL code right? | 18:36 |
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| lcuk | frals, ? you mean use a piece/component which is currently lgpl within/attached to your gpl app | 18:37 |
| frals | yeah | 18:37 |
| frals | or do i need to convert to lgpl? | 18:37 |
| lcuk | is it the whole component | 18:37 |
| lcuk | or are you wanting to just rape a function out of it | 18:37 |
| frals | its pretty much the whole component | 18:38 |
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| frals | slightly modified but yeah | 18:38 |
| frals | ie the mms library im using is lgpl'd | 18:38 |
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| BCMM | am i missing something, or is it impossible to open multiple PDFs? | 18:38 |
| frals | so trying to figure out if im breaking the license or not | 18:38 |
| lcuk | BCMM, i dont tihnk you can open multiple in the default app | 18:39 |
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| lcuk | frals, are you going to be "adopting" this lgpl library into your codebase | 18:39 |
| lcuk | and keeping it as a library | 18:39 |
| BCMM | there are alternatives, aren't there? | 18:39 |
| lcuk | or are you wanting to cherry pick bits from within | 18:39 |
| frals | im keeping it as a library | 18:39 |
| lcuk | BCMM, i dunno, pdf is somewhat evil | 18:39 |
| lcuk | then its a normal lgpl thing | 18:40 |
| lcuk | source compliance etc | 18:40 |
| BCMM | the format or the maemo program? | 18:40 |
| lcuk | BCMM, format is just ugly, but standard - its mostly the players on other platforms i have problem with | 18:41 |
| frals | lcuk: so it should be no probs since im distributing the complete source code to everything right? | 18:41 |
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| lcuk | frals, as far as you have explained, creating a modified version of the library is ok - the ultimate best | 18:41 |
| BCMM | hated pdfs till i used okular | 18:41 |
| lcuk | would be to push your modifications upstream | 18:41 |
| frals | well i cant get a hold of upstream, email bounces as its a 3yr old lib | 18:41 |
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| * lcuk wonders where he got nokia pen from | 18:42 | |
| BCMM | can evince autoreload changed files? | 18:42 |
| frals | and my mods are mostly fmms specific anyway :P | 18:42 |
| lcuk | dunno bcmm, change one and test | 18:42 |
| paul_____ | quick question, this qwbasite requires the following installed add on microsoft visual c++ 2005 sp1, is that avaliable for our phones? | 18:42 |
| lcuk | frals, then fork the library to prevent confusion | 18:42 |
| BCMM | (i'm writing LaTeX) | 18:42 |
| lcuk | keep its license the same | 18:42 |
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| paul_____ | fmms has anyone got that working as it doesn't like my apn settings on t-mobile uk :( | 18:43 |
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| lcuk | paul_____, you are in luck! | 18:43 |
| paul_____ | ? | 18:43 |
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| frals | paul_____: yes, quite a few have got it working ;-) | 18:43 |
| paul_____ | any special hacks to make it work then or am i just silly? | 18:43 |
| lcuk | paul_____, theres someone here who might be able to help | 18:43 |
| frals | what does the log say? | 18:43 |
| paul_____ | lcuk, you just finished writing it? | 18:43 |
| lcuk | not me | 18:44 |
| * lcuk hasnt touched anything of fmms | 18:44 | |
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| * frals is glad lcuk hasnt touched fmms | 18:44 | |
| frals | it be full of insane c code everywhere! | 18:44 |
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| lcuk | "insane" | 18:44 |
| lcuk | :| | 18:44 |
| frals | in a good way, obviously! | 18:45 |
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| lcuk | i am perfectly capable of writing insane python code too you know | 18:45 |
| lcuk | errr logical python code | 18:45 |
| frals | :D | 18:45 |
| lcuk | damn you | 18:45 |
| paul_____ | name or serivce not known | 18:45 |
| paul_____ | c++ who can help me the lcuk ? | 18:45 |
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| frals | paul_____: Run in x-terminal: cp /tmp/fmms.log /home/user/MyDocs/ | 18:45 |
| frals | and then mail me the log | 18:46 |
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| frals | i sent you my email in a notice | 18:46 |
| BCMM | how do i get evince out of fullscreen mode? | 18:46 |
| Khertan | oh the ubuntu 10.04 install system is really nice | 18:47 |
| yabba | Khertan, yes it is and lot of updates every day, but that's what you got when choosing beta :) | 18:47 |
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| Khertan | yabba, yep of course | 18:48 |
| Khertan | i'm trying the ubuntu netbook 10.04 | 18:48 |
| Khertan | and the installer is nice | 18:48 |
| BCMM | evince reloads! n900 is a surprisingly good latex environment | 18:49 |
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| lcuk | \o/ some flights can depart from manchester lol | 18:54 |
| paul_____ | oooo :D | 18:54 |
| lcuk | most of the country is under a bad egg cloud | 18:54 |
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| paul_____ | it's been nice n quiet over here | 18:54 |
| paul_____ | on lfight path for heathrow | 18:54 |
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| lcuk | yeah for some it will be eery | 18:55 |
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| paul_____ | oh yer it is strange nothing going over but it's so nice n quiet | 18:55 |
| paul_____ | the ozone layer is all good | 18:55 |
| * paul_____ pokes frals | 18:56 | |
| frals | yes? | 18:56 |
| paul_____ | see msg i sent u | 18:56 |
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| opdf2 | anyone use NoLazy? the n900 app for Remember the Milk? | 19:04 |
| opdf2 | i see the due date on no lazy is off by 1 day. But on the RTM website it is correct | 19:05 |
| tripzero | not i | 19:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, any estimate on when infobot will be back? | 19:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack | 19:07 |
| infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer | 19:07 |
| nid0 | ~lart MohammadAG_ | 19:07 |
| * infobot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, MohammadAG_!" and lops off MohammadAG_'s head | 19:07 | |
| MohammadAG_ | errordeveloper, why doesn't it have voice.. | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | I always check the top of the list | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | WTF | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | what for does it need voice? | 19:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | why does xchat keep turning on automatic nick completion :/ | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | tbh nobody needs voice here :-P | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | (without tab) | 19:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, it had voice so.. :) | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: (xchat nick completion) you're sure that's not word completion of hildon input method? | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | nope | 19:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | it's the thing in settings | 19:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | like if I say Doc, it autocompletes it | 19:09 |
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| MohammadAG_ | without tabbing | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG_: never seen that | 19:10 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Input box DocScrutinizer | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | turn it on, type Moha, | 19:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | next week I hope to do that :-S | 19:10 |
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| hrw|gone | have a nice weekend | 19:10 |
| MohammadAG_ | <MohammadAG_> error dev eloper, why doesn't it have voice.. <-- resulting in embarrassing pings | 19:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | err what? | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | ? | 19:12 |
| MohammadAG_ | what's with the CTCPs | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | dumbass here, you need to be more verbose | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | ... | 19:14 |
| MohammadAG_ | ToJa92, why did you CTCP ping + version me? | 19:14 |
| ToJa92 | I was bored I guess :P | 19:14 |
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| paul_____ | i didn't want to be left out :p | 19:15 |
| * MohammadAG_ waits for the third person to explain why he version'd me | 19:15 | |
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| paul_____ | ^^^^ | 19:15 |
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| MohammadAG_ | third | 19:16 |
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| nid0 | my reason's pretty similar to paul_____, and a bit of ToJa92's | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | nid0... | 19:16 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 19:16 |
| paul_____ | :) | 19:16 |
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| paul_____ | ooo like facebook just less words to type | 19:16 |
| paul_____ | or buttons to click | 19:16 |
| * MohammadAG_ pokes paul_____ | 19:17 | |
| paul_____ | ouch | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | why the ____? | 19:17 |
| paul_____ | broken ribbs here | 19:17 |
| paul_____ | just what irssi assignedme | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 19:17 |
| MohammadAG_ | Khertan, is there any way to add a Suggests field to the control file using pypackager? | 19:18 |
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| MohammadAG_ | tried p.suggests='packagename' | 19:18 |
| * DocScrutinizer suggests /msg nickserv ghost to paul______________ | 19:18 | |
| Khertan | MohammadAG_, currrently no :) | 19:19 |
| MohammadAG_ | aww | 19:19 |
| * MohammadAG_ untars and adds manually | 19:19 | |
| Khertan | http://khertan.net/flyspray/index.php?project=3&do=index&switch=1 <<< but you can add your suggestion here ... | 19:19 |
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| Khertan | and i ll add it when i ll do a new release | 19:19 |
| n900-dk | w00t_: You should have 'about' in the dropdown menu in Facebrick to promote yourself (and with versionnumber) :) | 19:21 |
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| w00t_ | n900-dk: hehe, I have thought about adding that, yes | 19:21 |
| w00t_ | but more important things to finish first :) | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bricked my face, help PLZZ!! | 19:22 |
| ToJa92 | Flash it! | 19:22 |
| ToJa92 | Oh wait | 19:22 |
| ToJa92 | ... thats not possible right? | 19:22 |
| MohammadAG_ | Khertan, added :) | 19:23 |
| MohammadAG_ | ToJa92, it is, I just won't detail it | 19:24 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 19:24 |
| jacekowski | i have my joggler | 19:24 |
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| ToJa92 | Wow, TMO works again... I couldn't access it like a half-hour ago :( | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | \o | 19:26 |
| slonopotamus | use google cache then :) | 19:26 |
| luke-jr | when did Google cache add posting capabilities? | 19:27 |
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| jacekowski | nobody posts on tmo | 19:27 |
| jacekowski | it's just bots | 19:27 |
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| ToJa92 | If that's the case I would say the bots are pretty advanced :P | 19:28 |
| slonopotamus | luke-jr: why care to post to tmo? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | echo "0.0.0.0 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts | 19:28 |
| Khertan | MohammadAG_, thx | 19:28 |
| jacekowski | hmm | 19:29 |
| * slonopotamus deletes tmo by doing wget http://talk.maemo.org/ > /dev/null | 19:30 | |
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| slonopotamus | :P | 19:30 |
| jacekowski | slonopotamus: have you made a backup? | 19:30 |
| ToJa92 | [slonopotamus]: Dosen't seem to be working... yet | 19:30 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: wget doesn't work like that | 19:30 |
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| slonopotamus | luke-jr: meh. need to patch it then. | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | slonopotamus: or just use curl | 19:31 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 19:31 |
| luke-jr | even still, it'd copy, not move | 19:31 |
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| slonopotamus | jacekowski: cat /dev/null | <your preferred upload thing > talk.maemo.org :) | 19:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/null/random/ | 19:34 |
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| * DocScrutinizer suggests to poison DNS system though | 19:34 | |
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| nid0 | you dont have long, dnssec going live soon | 19:35 |
| slonopotamus | 'soon'? | 19:35 |
| nid0 | 5th may | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, was the workaround applied? | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | better it should | 19:35 |
| X-Fade | MohammadAG_: yes. | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG_ | lots of updates popped up at once | 19:35 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, rebuilds got imported. | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | (DNS) see Pakistan and China rogue DNS takeovers | 19:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, thanks! | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | err s/Pakistan/Iran/ ? | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG_ | lol | 19:38 |
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| Macer | damnit! | 19:46 |
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| Macer | i was realigning the gears in a ps3's blue ray | 19:46 |
| Macer | and i pulled the rollers a little too far back | 19:46 |
| Macer | and didn't realize that the damn things release gears when you do that | 19:46 |
| Macer | and now i have no idea how it goes back together | 19:46 |
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| lcuk | Macer, i believe you need to say "oops" about now | 19:47 |
| frosty` | pretty sure there are better words than oops | 19:48 |
| ToJa92 | [lcuk]: He probably already did | 19:48 |
| frals | "Size mismatch" on rebuilt packages - something i can do or wait for repo cache to get updated? | 19:49 |
| slonopotamus | frals: you can curse the damn thing a couple f times | 19:50 |
| slonopotamus | for being nonatomic | 19:50 |
| * slonopotamus fails to understand why it is so hard to put deb first and only _after_ that publish package info in Packages file. | 19:51 | |
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| Macer | lcuk: oops would be too nice of a word :) | 19:52 |
| Macer | i'm trying to figure out how the rollers go back together | 19:52 |
| slonopotamus | Macer: i'm more than sure your eula prohibits you from doing that kind of stuff. | 19:53 |
| Macer | doubtful | 19:54 |
| Macer | :) | 19:54 |
| Macer | slonopotamus: are the sony police going to come get me for trying to repair a drive? | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | Macer: reflash! | 19:55 |
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| MohammadAG_ | Macer, at least they can be put back together :) | 19:55 |
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| slonopotamus | Macer: surely no! no warranty in case of eula violation :) | 19:55 |
| * MohammadAG_ remembers his long long night when he did that | 19:55 | |
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| SpeedEvil | http://www.millhouse.nl/eyjafjallajokull06.html - fun | 19:58 |
| MohammadAG_ | Macer, here you go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEN1kk31-zs | 19:58 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.millhouse.nl/eyjafjallajokull2010.html - /me ponders desktop material. | 19:59 |
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| luke-jr | silly slono | 20:01 |
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| Macer | heh | 20:01 |
| PhonicUK | has anyone tried using a normal desktop like xfce on the n900? | 20:01 |
| Macer | this thing is over 4 years old ;) | 20:01 |
| Macer | it doesn't have a warranty | 20:01 |
| Macer | i was able to piece it back together | 20:02 |
| Macer | i thought i lost a plastic gear | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | get a cutter and some old cheese | 20:02 |
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| luke-jr | Macer: I meant his talk about EULAs | 20:04 |
| luke-jr | as if EULAs have any legal meaning whatsoever | 20:04 |
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| Appiah | PhonicUK: check out Debchroot | 20:08 |
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| GAN900 | Ah, Friday. | 20:12 |
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| rm_you | I. NEED. A. JOB. >_> | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you noticed that by reading backscroll and pondering about silly topics? :-D | 20:15 |
| rm_you | alright, venting complete. heading to lunch. | 20:15 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, go talk to Nokia! | 20:16 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:16 |
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| rm_you | Nokia is hiring people with 5-10+ years of experience in low-level programming or the like | 20:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: does same advice apply to me? | 20:16 |
| rm_you | I'm a college graduate >_< | 20:16 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, nah, I'm just happy to not have to get up a 7 AM today to ride the bus to a conference full of Linux geeks. :D | 20:17 |
| rm_you | really do need to go Lunch tho :P | 20:17 |
| GAN900 | rm_you, try! | 20:17 |
| rm_you | lol | 20:17 |
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| rm_you | I guess the worst they can do is laugh at me and reject my queries. | 20:17 |
| * GAN900 hears somebody in a similar situation was picked up | 20:17 | |
| GAN900 | Contractors are an option, too. | 20:17 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, clearly you have too much experience. | 20:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels like happy as a contractor | 20:18 | |
| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: :-(( feck | 20:18 |
| * GAN900 mutters evil things about iPhones making data suck for the rest of us. | 20:18 | |
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| * DocScrutinizer wonders if Nokia has a policy about keeping avrg experience in their teams below a certain level | 20:19 | |
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| GAN900 | 201.16 seconds | 20:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer | average experience? | 20:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, then for sure I have to ponder carefully which position I might apply for | 20:22 |
| GAN900 | ping time | 20:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer | maybe I should apply for Perl development - clearly no experience at all XP | 20:24 |
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| luke-jr | GAN900: Nokia interested in people who won't move? :P | 20:25 |
| GAN900 | luke-jr, depends on the position, I think | 20:26 |
| * GAN900 notes Texrat hasn't had a huge amount of luck there | 20:26 | |
| DocScrutinizer | perl developers? | 20:26 |
| luke-jr | heh | 20:26 |
| GAN900 | Will have more luck with Nokia contractors for that. | 20:26 |
| luke-jr | not that I want a job | 20:26 |
| luke-jr | I just want a good product :/ | 20:26 |
| * DocScrutinizer does | 20:26 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I just want to participate in building a better product | 20:28 |
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| a-saint | hello guys while I was updating my n900 I've been having update file corrupt for several of the packages update any idea | 20:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | a-saint: retry tomorrow | 20:30 |
| a-saint | how come? | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | autobuilder changes | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui | 20:30 |
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| a-saint | hm ok | 20:30 |
| X-Fade | a-saint: We're flushing the akamai cache now will take some time. | 20:31 |
| a-saint | X ok thanks guys | 20:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: everything smooth? | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Yes, only akamai cache caching debs for 2 days by default ;) | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | But we flush them out now. | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | Normally you would not replace debs. | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a major problem | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | So then it is actually a good thing. | 20:32 |
| a-saint | while am here how do I know if am running the latest maemo update and is there a new update soon | 20:32 |
| X-Fade | But yeah, slight hack today :) | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | so, I was sitting down in the train and battery.charge_level.percentage from hal reported 35%. I surfed some 3G for 15 minutes and then it said 22%. I switched trains, sat down again (took me one minute) and then it reported 0%. | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | but yeah we all know the battery meter is kinda broken. | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, and 3G in train is kinda worst case | 20:33 |
| GAN900 | a-saint, update should be coming sometime in the future. | 20:33 |
| Shapeshifter | yeah. | 20:34 |
| a-saint | GAN900 near future | 20:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: how much experience is too much to apply for a job at Nokia? | 20:35 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Depends on where you want to be ;) | 20:35 |
| Shapeshifter | a-saint: within months | 20:35 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: If you apply as helpdesk guy.... | 20:36 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, talk to Texrat. | 20:36 |
| a-saint | Shapeshifter ok thanks | 20:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually I'd be more interested in termal management and general low level / hw | 20:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer | GAN900: for the helpdesk job? | 20:37 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: There are teams in Oulo, Tampere and Helsinki doing that. | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, for jobs at Nokia. | 20:38 |
| X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: The more north you go, the more hardcore it gets, it seems ;) | 20:38 |
| GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, he's got some experience applying. ;) | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | eeew :-/ | 20:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | (north) | 20:38 |
| X-Fade | But it is other people should know more, I'm outside the Nokia firewall. | 20:39 |
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| frals | anyone know how id get this http://mms.frals.se/widget.png widget in a gtk.dialog? | 20:45 |
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| Vanadis | haha oh wow, transitions.ini mods are great | 21:00 |
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| nid0 | indeed | 21:01 |
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| mrlanrat | When booting vis bootmenu and using usb networking, where do i find the driver for my computer? | 21:04 |
| mrlanrat | *via | 21:04 |
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| wall[e] | hi, can I boot a gnu/linux pc with n900 like thumbdrive? | 21:05 |
| SpeedEvil | yes, in principle. | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I've never tried it. | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | It should work though. | 21:06 |
| wall[e] | :) | 21:06 |
| wall[e] | and setting up all connection etc automatically | 21:06 |
| SpeedEvil | setting up all connection? | 21:06 |
| wall[e] | like usb networking | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | It basically functions like a thumbdrive | 21:07 |
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| mrlanrat | so, nobody knows where i can get the networking driver to recover via bootmenu? | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | as I understand it in thumbdrive mode, it does not support usb-net | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | you'd need to do some magic to get that working | 21:07 |
| mrlanrat | im talking bout a n810 with bootmenu | 21:07 |
| SpeedEvil | which should be possible | 21:07 |
| wall[e] | I see | 21:07 |
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| wall[e] | boot then eject the device may be | 21:08 |
| wall[e] | i don't know | 21:08 |
| mrlanrat | it makes the n810 act as a usb network controller so you can ssh/telnet to it to revover it | 21:08 |
| mrlanrat | i cant seem to find the windows driver for it anywhere.... | 21:08 |
| wall[e] | btw, i am thinking of a 3d like wallpaper, more like using camera mapping technique so when you tilt the phone, wallpaper will change and make it look like the background is actually in 3d | 21:09 |
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| mrlanrat | well, the page with the driver was once here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworkingwinxp/ | 21:10 |
| mrlanrat | :( | 21:10 |
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| wall[e] | info are not in new usbnetworking wiki page? | 21:10 |
| mrlanrat | huh? | 21:11 |
| wall[e] | http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking | 21:11 |
| wall[e] | i am sorry my link is too slow to actually open that | 21:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (thumbdrive?) are you talking bout tethering & usb mass storage? | 21:11 |
| SpeedEvil | yes | 21:12 |
| mrlanrat | ok, im reading that page now. by any chance is there a windows 7 driver or xp only? | 21:12 |
| * wall[e] has no idea, never use windows | 21:13 | |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui in pc network mode (select from popup menu at usb plugin) you get a standard modem or network device | 21:13 |
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| mrlanrat | i found a driver that works for windows 7. There was non in the wiki | 21:23 |
| mrlanrat | here is it if anyone wants it: http://bug.cmw.me/bugvista64.inf | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | edit wiki, please! | 21:23 |
| mece | fascinating how much faster transitions are without the background blurring... | 21:24 |
| mrlanrat | I will | 21:24 |
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| mrlanrat | well, that driver makes windows recognize the device, but it gets an error code 10 (won't start) | 21:25 |
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| jacekowski | it's not driver that makes it recognize device | 21:28 |
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| jacekowski | it's inf file that comes with driver | 21:28 |
| jacekowski | that tells windows that driver x will work with device id y | 21:28 |
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| mrlanrat | does windows (7 x64) have the driver built in? so that an inf can tell it to use the correct built in driver? | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | well i'm using jacekowski.org/linux,inf | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | jacekowski.org/linux.inf | 21:29 |
| jacekowski | that came with maemo kernel sources | 21:29 |
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| mrlanrat | ok, ill give that one a try | 21:30 |
| mrlanrat | nope, did not work for me | 21:31 |
| mrlanrat | i found another one that gives me error code 10 | 21:34 |
| jacekowski | well it works for me | 21:35 |
| RST38h | Repent, fornicators! | 21:36 |
| RST38h | ...and now, back to our usual programming: is PR1.2 out? =) | 21:36 |
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| jacekowski | that's good question | 21:37 |
| jacekowski | is it out? | 21:37 |
| mrlanrat | brb, gonna reboot | 21:38 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:38 |
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| N900evil | :) | 21:52 |
| N900evil | thought my keyboard slide had jammed | 21:52 |
| N900evil | I'd put the top half of a case on upside down. | 21:52 |
| N900evil | and it doesn't slide that way | 21:53 |
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| * RST38h found Krusell lanyard/stylus in the store today | 21:57 | |
| RST38h | a minor usability win | 21:57 |
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| frals | anyone know how i force a widget to use a specific style in gtk? eg i want my gtk.HBox to use the style | 22:03 |
| frals | 'fremantle-button-group' | 22:03 |
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| mece | frals, | 22:04 |
| mece | what language? | 22:04 |
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| frals | python preferable, but if you show me c i can probably translate it :) | 22:04 |
| mece | heh. python preferred here too. Simplest :) | 22:05 |
| mece | err ok. did you get my tweet? | 22:05 |
| C-S-B-N900 | alright guys! | 22:05 |
| frals | just saw it, gonna have a look | 22:05 |
| mece | homogeneous TRUE and spacing 0 should do it. This is a pretty nice document: http://sw.nokia.com/id/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf | 22:06 |
| mece | frals, page 50 has the toggle buttons | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | yay a youtube vid on how to overclock the N900 | 22:06 |
| mece | LOL | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | and still no vid to show how to flash the device | 22:07 |
| mece | heee | 22:07 |
| frals | mece: thanks | 22:07 |
| mece | well, at least flashing is super easy :) | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG_ | mece, flashing helps, overclocking kills | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | both are essentially the same (they need flashing) | 22:08 |
| mece | meh. | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | 37 second boot video | 22:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | seriously, who wants to add more boot time to their N900 | 22:09 |
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| frals | mece: thanks, seems to be working.. was using hildon_gtk_radio_button_new :P | 22:09 |
| mece | cool :D | 22:09 |
| frals | according to gtkrc it should be the same but alas no :P | 22:09 |
| mece | frals, could you paste me the source for that bit? I could use one of those in the comic widget settings. | 22:09 |
| frals | gonna clean it up and ill get you a link | 22:10 |
| mece | kthx | 22:10 |
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| E0x | somebody saw this ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNwGx162O2A | 22:11 |
| N900evil | Is there a statusbar wifi signal meter? | 22:11 |
| E0x | some italian guy having problem with the n900 , some wired things | 22:11 |
| E0x | asking for any help | 22:11 |
| E0x | N900evil: i saw something in the repository | 22:11 |
| E0x | but not remember | 22:11 |
| E0x | hmm but i think was not a status bar | 22:12 |
| N900evil | wifi-eye - that's just a lister aiui | 22:12 |
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| ToJa92 | [N900evil]: Isn't the wifi-icon changing with strength? | 22:14 |
| ToJa92 | Or have I just imagined that o.O | 22:14 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ToJa92: i think thats your imagination. wish it did. | 22:15 |
| ToJa92 | I barely use Wifi anyway... | 22:15 |
| ToJa92 | Only when I want to SSH my N900 | 22:16 |
| ToJa92 | otherwise my 3.5G connection is faster | 22:16 |
| frals | mece: http://pastebin.com/gEmkRWXR | 22:16 |
| C-S-B-N900 | 3.5 is surprisingly fast | 22:16 |
| frals | ops, dont need the set_property on hbox | 22:16 |
| mece | LOOOL one of my cats is sleeping with her back foot in her mouth, making whistling noises! | 22:16 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and you can ssh over it. | 22:16 |
| N900evil | I am in the shed - 30m from my ap - through 2 really thick walls. | 22:17 |
| ToJa92 | [C-S-B-N900]: I'm too lazy to try it, maybe I should do that.... | 22:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | mece: the win! | 22:17 |
| N900evil | watching the sunset | 22:17 |
| N900evil | mece: pics! | 22:17 |
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| mece | just took one. hold up. | 22:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ToJa92: you can tunnel through dns to use fon APs for free to. :) | 22:18 |
| frals | uh, mece: it should be a gtk.HBox in that pastebin and you dont need the set_property.. but yeah :P | 22:18 |
| mece | yeah I got it, thanks. It was pretty simple after all :D | 22:18 |
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| frals | yeah | 22:19 |
| frals | once i got over i couldnt use gtkradiobutton it just worked :P | 22:19 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | where are the cat pics? | 22:20 |
| mece | sorry sorry coming up. | 22:20 |
| ToJa92 | [C-S-B-N900]: Can't connect to my N900.... unless I do something wrong :( I guess I just can't connect as usual through SSH? | 22:20 |
| C-S-B-N900 | :) | 22:21 |
| C-S-B-N900 | ToJa92: try a reverse tunnel? | 22:21 |
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| ToJa92 | Don't have a SSH server on my computer unfortunately... :( | 22:22 |
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| ToJa92 | I run W7 | 22:22 |
| E0x | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/surgery.png | 22:22 |
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| mece | http://share.ovi.com/media/mece.public/mece.10360 | 22:23 |
| C-S-B-N900 | mece your cat is awesome. whats his/her name? | 22:24 |
| mece | We call her nala but her real name is Karma Chameleon | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG_ | a CPU frequency changing app, awesome! | 22:25 |
| mece | hahaha | 22:25 |
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| ToJa92 | [MohammadAG_]: Sounds awesome indeed | 22:25 |
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| chadi | Hi. How do I launch a new terminal window that does a ping? Tried > osso-xterm "ping 1.2.3.4" but it opened a window then closed it | 22:36 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | chadi: you need to be root for the network tools | 22:37 |
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| chadi | fine: > osso-xterm "sudo ping 1.2.3.4" == same behavior | 22:38 |
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| chadi | opens a terminal then directly closes it | 22:38 |
| C-S-B-N900 | chadi: ctrl+shift+x will load a terminal. | 22:38 |
| chadi | I want to do that througha command | 22:39 |
| C-S-B-N900 | can you explain differently, i dont understand. | 22:39 |
| C-S-B-N900 | sorry | 22:39 |
| spliffy_ | sudo doesn't work like you expect | 22:39 |
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| spliffy | at least on my n900 it does nothing. just exits with code 0 | 22:40 |
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| spliffy | and looks like it did something | 22:40 |
| chadi | C-S-B-N900: the idea is that I'm trying to do what this tutorial suggests: http://www.themaemo.com/howto-launch-a-terminal-app-from-a-shortcut/ | 22:41 |
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| johnsq | chadi: "" correct? try without them | 22:41 |
| chadi | and the app is specifically a ping, in order to use the SSH server (you know, wifi in power saver mode kind of disconnects the wi-fi | 22:41 |
| chadi | johnsq one moment | 22:42 |
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| chadi | johnsq: so osso-xterm sudo ping 1.2.3.4 == also fail | 22:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | chadi: depends on your AP - works just fine here | 22:43 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | chadi screen and background it? | 22:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | sudo ping 1.2.3.4 & | 22:44 |
| C-S-B-N900 | you wont see it, but do you need to? | 22:45 |
| C-S-B-N900 | or screen sudo ping 1.2.3.4 | 22:45 |
| spliffy | chadi: just put it in a script and run the script with osso-xterm | 22:45 |
| * MohammadAG_ wonders why sudo works for everything here | 22:45 | |
| SpeedEvil | Or turn your powersaving mode to 'medium' from 'high' or 'none' from medium | 22:45 |
| C-S-B-N900 | MohammadAG_: got root? | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | not sure which package enabled it (not rootsh) | 22:46 |
| spliffy | chadi: i thried that and it works | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | C-S-B-N900, everyone has root... | 22:46 |
| C-S-B-N900 | It was a joke... | 22:46 |
| C-S-B-N900 | :p | 22:46 |
| spliffy | s/thried/tried/ | 22:46 |
| infobot | spliffy meant: chadi: i tried that and it works | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG_ | http://pastebin.com/4jkYWbqD | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG_ | sudo works here ^ | 22:47 |
| chadi | spliffy: yea I read the script part in the comments of that page, but I am trying to understand why this doesn't work | 22:47 |
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| MohammadAG_ | don't ask me how | 22:48 |
| spliffy | i don't understand it either. i tried osso-xterm "sleep 5" and that works. must have something to do with permissions? | 22:49 |
| lcuk | 146 pages! | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG_ | one of these packages enables it http://pastebin.com/3ydt5xZS | 22:49 |
| chadi | spliffy yeah exactly; the example suggests top, so osso-xterm top would also work | 22:49 |
| GAN900 | Weeee, Oakland boatshow time | 22:49 |
| spliffy | MohammadAG_: it works. i see the behaviour i decribed when i'm root already and forgot that | 22:50 |
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| spliffy | it's irritating | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG_ | spliffy, I ran it as user | 22:51 |
| spliffy | like osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" ? | 22:51 |
| * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon | 22:51 | |
| * lcuk giggles | 22:51 | |
| lcuk | thanks for reminding me once again im bloody hungry | 22:52 |
| frals | np! | 22:52 |
| frals | someone has to make sure your eating properly | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG_ | spliffy, http://pastebin.com/sSzFnyi2 | 22:52 |
| opdf2 | is there a simliar "usb port coming off N900 problem" for other nokia products? | 22:52 |
| opdf2 | I just got an n97 mini as well for someone and wanna know | 22:52 |
| lcuk | frals, tracy tries | 22:53 |
| chadi | MohammadAG_: go to your terminal, and there, issue > osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" | 22:53 |
| chadi | that's what we're trying to say | 22:53 |
| frals | lcuk: i should tell her about slapping you with bacon then ye? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | frals, did you eat in NRC cafe? | 22:53 |
| spliffy | MohammadAG_: yeah. this is not really the problem. when you combine that call with osso xterm it's not working | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~ $ osso-xterm "sudo ping xy" | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | ~ $ | 22:53 |
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| infobot | well, $ is a dollar sign | 22:53 |
| frals | cafe? the restaurant downstairs? | 22:53 |
| lcuk | her love for me does not extend to making bacon often | 22:53 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 22:53 |
| lcuk | i have to make it myself | 22:53 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:53 |
| frals | yeah | 22:53 |
| lcuk | what was main dish on the day you were there? | 22:54 |
| frals | err no clue lol | 22:54 |
| lcuk | :D | 22:54 |
| frals | i played it safe and went where the queue was the longest == burgers | 22:54 |
| frals | :D | 22:54 |
| lcuk | hehe | 22:54 |
| lcuk | i had great food all week | 22:54 |
| * MohammadAG_ is tempted http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=614004#post614004 | 22:54 | |
| lcuk | until the friday when i accidentally a whole fish | 22:55 |
| frals | :D | 22:55 |
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| chadi | spliffy: I think adding & at the end can make it work without the terminal opening | 22:57 |
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| chadi | it actually sends the ping, but let me try again to confirm | 22:57 |
| chadi | no it doesn't | 22:58 |
| chadi | how about: sudo gainroot && ping 192.168.1.2 | 22:58 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, are you bored? commenting on the mega thread :) | 22:59 |
| spliffy | heh | 22:59 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, which mega thread? | 22:59 |
| spliffy | i would use a script | 22:59 |
| lcuk | just amused at how big it is | 23:00 |
| frals | nice, someone made a 20min walkthrough of fMMS | 23:00 |
| Noobmonk3y | 1.2 :) | 23:00 |
| chadi | spliffy: it worked :/ osso-xterm "sudo ping -c 5 1.2.3.4" | 23:00 |
| lcuk | :) frals | 23:00 |
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| chadi | I had to add the -c | 23:00 |
| frals | and i pushed 5 versions from he started recording it until he was done lol | 23:00 |
| lcuk | frals, its a damn sight better than the 4 hour walk through of the original command line version | 23:00 |
| frals | lol | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | Noobmonk3y, stop highlighting me | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG_ | <Noobmonk3y> 1.2 :) | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG_ | :P | 23:01 |
| lcuk | haha | 23:01 |
| spliffy | chadi: hm, true | 23:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol!!! | 23:01 |
| spliffy | interesting | 23:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | highlighting? | 23:01 |
| * lcuk twiddles thumbs till luke is done at the concert | 23:01 | |
| chadi | spliffy I wonder why | 23:01 |
| lcuk | Noobmonk3y, irc clients allow highlighting certain keywords | 23:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | cool | 23:01 |
| lcuk | mine flashes red when someone says "bacon" | 23:01 |
| Noobmonk3y | on the n900 tho | 23:01 |
| lcuk | xchat is xchat | 23:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | bacon? lol | 23:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | do we have a date on pr1.2 yw | 23:02 |
| C-S-B-N900 | do we have a date on pr1.2 yet? | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | bacon | 23:02 |
| spliffy | chadi: mabye it depends on some environment variable | 23:02 |
| lcuk | i think im gonna have to make an n900 build of classic liqbase | 23:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | C-S-B-N900, yes | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG_ | liqbase? | 23:02 |
| frals | someone should get a screen of a recent release and post in that thread | 23:02 |
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| frals | and go "what, it arrived yesterday, didnt you get it?" | 23:02 |
| jacekowski | somebody said pr1.2 | 23:02 |
| Noobmonk3y | C-S-B-N900, some time, at some point in some yearl..... twas pin the tail on the calendar | 23:03 |
| chadi | what happens when PR 1.2 is released? | 23:03 |
| frals | world ends | 23:03 |
| chadi | you think? | 23:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | chadi .... world peace | 23:03 |
| frals | see the volcano on iceland is just the beginning | 23:03 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, :) | 23:03 |
| frals | next step is PR1.2 | 23:03 |
| frals | then the world ends | 23:03 |
| lcuk | liqbase is my first linux app | 23:03 |
| chadi | oh | 23:03 |
| Noobmonk3y | same as world ends frals ? | 23:03 |
| chadi | hi healthcheck maker | 23:04 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_classic.html | 23:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol!!!! | 23:04 |
| lcuk | for the n800 n810 | 23:04 |
| Noobmonk3y | hi chadi! | 23:04 |
| chadi | spliffy: ping -i 5 -c 5 1.2.3.4 does NOT work :P | 23:04 |
| frals | i wanna be famous like Noobmonk3y! | 23:04 |
| lcuk | i went on to build libliqbase using the concepts there | 23:04 |
| lcuk | and its still i nthe shed | 23:04 |
| chadi | frals: sorry, you don't have healthcheck | 23:05 |
| frals | :( | 23:05 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG_, the video is quite enlightening | 23:05 |
| chadi | =( | 23:05 |
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| Noobmonk3y | lols frals | 23:06 |
| spliffy | chadi: random busybox weirdness :P | 23:06 |
| * chadi runs to submit that bug :P | 23:06 | |
| ptl | PR1.2 is released, the world does not end. It just reboots. | 23:06 |
| * lcuk slaps ptl | 23:06 | |
| chadi | ptl great news! | 23:06 |
| ptl | ouch! | 23:06 |
| ptl | what for? :( | 23:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | bugs? | 23:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | eeeeeeek | 23:07 |
| ptl | I should have used 'when' in the beginning of my phrase. PR1.2 is not released | 23:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | healthcheck is taking over the world, muhahahaha | 23:07 |
| chadi | ptl for the world rebooting... that's amazing | 23:07 |
| jacekowski | anybody familiar with gtk and hildon? | 23:07 |
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| spliffy | where do i get PR1.2? | 23:07 |
| ptl | I want to go to N900 conferences like Noobmonk3y and get all the chicks | 23:07 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals cant wait to see your download totals when you get it to downloads :) | 23:08 |
| ptl | spliffy: first you have to tune your delorean... | 23:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | loll ptl where do ya live? | 23:08 |
| RST38h | lcuk: have you seen any poultry at the last Maemo Summit? | 23:08 |
| spliffy | ptl: cool, i was about to do taht anyway | 23:08 |
| ptl | Noobmonk3y: Campinas, Brazil! :) | 23:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | anywhere near rio? | 23:08 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: im curious as well :) | 23:08 |
| Noobmonk3y | the missus whas there in october :) | 23:09 |
| lcuk | RST38h, ?? | 23:09 |
| frals | recently hit 10k .deb downloads on garage :) | 23:09 |
| Noobmonk3y | wow frals!!! | 23:09 |
| lcuk | i saw lots of good friends | 23:09 |
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| Noobmonk3y | h/c just hit 40k, think you will obliterate that sooon! | 23:09 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: how's the blackmail income from the feed of incoming images going? | 23:09 |
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| frals | SpeedEvil: scch, we werent suppose to tell anyone all MMS's go through my server! | 23:10 |
| nid0 | I do think healthcheck wont stand much of a chance once fmms goes to extras ;) | 23:10 |
| * SpeedEvil wonders about opera mini. | 23:10 | |
| Noobmonk3y | nid0, unless i quickly implement picyure messaging this wkend! | 23:10 |
| ptl | Noobmonk3y: about 450km from Rio de Janeiro | 23:10 |
| chadi | anyone wondered by how much nokia could have saved worldwide bandwidth by announcing a date for PR 1.2? :P | 23:11 |
| ptl | Noobmonk3y: are you coming to Brazil? | 23:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | tis as easy as that isnt it frals, you are just teasing people | 23:11 |
| nid0 | well, judging by the current idiotic trend on the forums, you might just as well bundle an overclockable kernel and flasher for it into healthcheck | 23:11 |
| nid0 | probably hit 100k in about 10 mins then | 23:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | hopefully next year :) | 23:11 |
| frals | Noobmonk3y: ive promised myself to just add this last feature and then promote to -testing | 23:11 |
| lcuk | jesus theres an even longer thread | 23:11 |
| frals | this last feature depending on PR1.2, but should be done in time | 23:11 |
| nid0 | wasnt that the same promise like 50 features ago? :D | 23:11 |
| ptl | Cool, let me know when and at the time we make a Meego conference to show off our newly acquired N990's :D | 23:11 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals please either add a paypal button or mail me you addy when u do! :) | 23:12 |
| nid0 | agreed | 23:12 |
| frals | nid0: hehe, nah, this has been the initial plan all along more or less actually | 23:12 |
| chadi | Noobmonk3y I didn't try healthcheck yet, by the way :P | 23:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | ptl wont it just be an N9? | 23:12 |
| frals | ive had this one big point on my todo list ever since one of first packages... "AUTOMATIC MMS APN CONFIGURATION" | 23:12 |
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| ptl | or that | 23:12 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol chadi! one day left in testing for v1! | 23:12 |
| ptl | maybe N9, with Meego 2.1 with android compatibility | 23:13 |
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| frals | since thats wihtout a doubt the biggest problem | 23:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: is there a big list of mms apns out there? | 23:13 |
| frals | SpeedEvil: in 1.2 it will be on device :) | 23:13 |
| nid0 | hows the next version doing Noobmonk3y, is that going to testing as soon as 1 hits extras? :P | 23:13 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals, easy, ask nokia to fly you ov........ oh they have :) | 23:13 |
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| Noobmonk3y | nid0, will go in on sunday! other promotes late sat night :) | 23:14 |
| frals | (at least its on pr1.2 SDK :P) | 23:14 |
| chadi | Noobmonk3y and the version you are currently working on is in devel? | 23:14 |
| ds3 | frals: what thread are you refering to on TMO when I select one of the 3 modes in the latest version? | 23:14 |
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| Noobmonk3y | chadi one in each repo, latest is only on my phone, hehe | 23:14 |
| frals | ds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39737 aka the huge fMMS thread | 23:14 |
| frals | i should probably make that a link at some point | 23:14 |
| chadi | heh | 23:14 |
| chadi | Noobmonk3y: may I PM you? | 23:15 |
| frals | or just throw the browser in the face of the user on first launch | 23:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | you may! on my phone so i apologise if i am slow to reply | 23:15 |
| ds3 | oh that one | 23:15 |
| nid0 | particularly with your healthcheck updates I cant help but wonder again if -testing qa rules about the quarantine time shouldnt be changed... | 23:15 |
| SpeedEvil | frals: set to auto-thank you for the release post. | 23:15 |
| nid0 | as it doesnt exactly make fast update turnarounds practical | 23:15 |
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| frals | SpeedEvil: awesome idea... *evil grin* | 23:15 |
| Noobmonk3y | nid0, only because i wouldnt promote if i wasnt sure | 23:15 |
| nid0 | but thats exactly my point - you're now waiting to promote 1.0.0.2 ish to -testing for 1.0.0.0 that was checked as fine over a week ago to go up | 23:16 |
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| nid0 | and cant promote it before then without wiping out 1.0.0.0 and having to start the 10 days again before anything hits extras | 23:16 |
| dmj726_n9001 | I'm also noticing that 2/3rds of the packages are in devel or testing. | 23:16 |
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| Noobmonk3y | yeah nid0 ! | 23:20 |
| Noobmonk3y | unfortunatley... testing is important and have to stick by the rules for now | 23:20 |
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| nid0 | im sorely tempted to bring up a suggestion on the testing ml to drop the quarantine time by quite a way though | 23:21 |
| Noobmonk3y | nid0, it has been requested | 23:21 |
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| Noobmonk3y | not sure what the consensus is | 23:21 |
| nid0 | um, when/where, I havent seen any proposals about it for quite a while | 23:21 |
| frals | was a few weeks back | 23:22 |
| frals | cant remember if anything was ever decided | 23:22 |
| frals | 10 days is a pain if you push updates regularly | 23:22 |
| frals | (i can imagine) | 23:22 |
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| Noobmonk3y | nid0, gd point, not since my argument about bugtracker have i raised it | 23:22 |
| Noobmonk3y | frals, h/c is a drug......... :) | 23:23 |
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| frals | and off he goes for another shot | 23:23 |
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| Noobmonk3y | oooops | 23:24 |
| lcuk | h/c is a drug | 23:24 |
| Noobmonk3y | closed xchat by accident | 23:24 |
| lcuk | hard/check? | 23:24 |
| Noobmonk3y | healthcheck lol | 23:24 |
| chadi | haha | 23:24 |
| Noobmonk3y | ~ping | 23:26 |
| infobot | ~pong | 23:26 |
| Noobmonk3y | did i kill the conversation | 23:26 |
| Noobmonk3y | :) | 23:26 |
| lcuk | now i know those with dirty minds | 23:26 |
| Noobmonk3y | lcuk, stop talking to yourself! | 23:26 |
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| lcuk | well i obviously thought it and you and chadi did too : | 23:28 |
| lcuk | :p | 23:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol | 23:28 |
| Noobmonk3y | lol, cyall laters | 23:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | gtg! | 23:29 |
| chadi | heh | 23:29 |
| Noobmonk3y | misses says hi n bye to u all! | 23:29 |
| chadi | bye Noobmonk3y | 23:29 |
| lcuk | tell her ill see her later | 23:29 |
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| supertramp | guys - what is generating fstab in maemo? | 23:41 |
| cehteh | init.d/rcS and some glue | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | grep -r fstab /etc | 23:42 |
| cehteh | or was it event.d ... | 23:42 |
| cehteh | yeah grep and have fun .. i forgotten since i disabled it and made my own fstab | 23:43 |
| supertramp | ah - rcS-late | 23:44 |
| supertramp | thx! | 23:44 |
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