IRC log of #maemo for Tuesday, 2010-04-20

Gadgetoid_mbp0 22 * * * gconftool --type bool --set /apps/modest/auto_update false   = longer battery life and peace & quiet after 10pm00:00
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Gadgetoid_mbpIn theory, anyway00:00
MohammadAGhalt would make it quiet-er00:01
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Gadgetoid_mbpTrue, that00:05
Gadgetoid_mbpBut wouldn't be much use if I'm trying to podcast myself to sleep00:05
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MohammadAGi was jk anyways :)00:07
lcukwow noobmonk3y_ really nice mockup you have been sent00:08
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Gadgetoid_mbpBut it's true, one of the entries in fcron is a midnight phone reboot, interesting concept for performance/stability00:08
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noobmonk3y_:D :D :D00:09
noobmonk3y_it is quite cool00:09
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noobmonk3y_i've actually kept it black n white for now00:09
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lcuknoobmonk3y_, i would increase very slightly size and bold (add emphasis) the results text00:09
noobmonk3y_but centralised the tab bars :D00:09
lcukbut otherwise very clean00:09
noobmonk3y_css colors (colours!!!!) not playing ball atm00:09
lcukyeah can work on them later obviously00:09
MohammadAGif I install a ping package, what would happen when I type ping?00:10
MohammadAG(will busybox get confused?)00:10
lcukyou will systematically implode00:10
lcuki doubt it00:10
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lcukbut backup ping binary just in case if you are worried00:11
SpeedEvilbusybox is by default confused00:11
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SpeedEvilyou can only unconfuse it by removing it.00:11
MohammadAGSpeedEvil, not for a package :)00:12
MohammadAG(Although I really want coreutils and bash instead of it)00:12
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SpeedEvilMohammadAG: for non interactive use, busybox is good00:13
SpeedEvilit's got lots better performance than coreutils00:13
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SpeedEvilsimply as you don't need to load a binary into RAM, it's already there00:13
MohammadAGmakes sense00:14
noobmonk3y_lcuk, MohammadAG -
MohammadAGNICE battery icon!00:14
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noobmonk3y_:D :D :D00:14
* MohammadAG likes the changes00:14
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noobmonk3y_want to change that top left menu selector icon thingy00:15
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, what's the black bar at the bottom?00:15
SpeedEvilI want a battery that indicates charge when charging00:15
noobmonk3y_status bar looks like it is making an appearence!00:15
* noobmonk3y_ goes to sort that out!00:15
noobmonk3y_oh no, i made some fonts smaller00:15
noobmonk3y_need to extend it00:15
MohammadAGLOL I never saw that bar00:16
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, did you sort out text wrap?00:16
noobmonk3y_all fixed in this version00:16
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  bar is only in this version too00:16
SpeedEvilnoobmonk3y_: what is this?00:16
noobmonk3y_(Havnt changed version number yet00:16
noobmonk3y_SpeedEvil, - playing around with CSS for healthcheck00:17
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noobmonk3y_lol MohammadAG  i retract that, no idea what th ebar is00:17
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, it's for horizontal scrolling00:22
MohammadAGthe scrollbar00:22
noobmonk3y_nope :(00:22
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noobmonk3y_all in line now, no bar :|00:22
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noobmonk3y_definitley the style sheet00:24
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noobmonk3y_got it down to 2px00:24
MohammadAGget it down to -2 :P00:25
MohammadAGfrals, any MMS from yesterday?00:25
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* MohammadAG curses his failed build00:28
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* noobmonk3y_ pats Mo on the head.... life goes on ;)00:32
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* noobmonk3y_ w0000ts00:53
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MohammadAGyay he fixed it00:53
noobmonk3y_HealthCheck new version just going into extras devel :D00:53
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noobmonk3y_actually no, still got a mini little bottom bar00:53
noobmonk3y_just testing the line you told me about in the desktop file00:54
MohammadAGdoesn't mind, you fixed something lol00:54
noobmonk3y_hehe yeah00:54
MohammadAGNokia Messaging seems a bit faster00:55
MohammadAGit's actually push for all my email accounts now00:55
MohammadAGwell it's push for me now00:56
noobmonk3y_now since.... you turned it to push? :D00:56
MohammadAGthey might have updated the server side stuff00:56
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noobmonk3y_hehe - have to admit nokia messaging has just...... worked for me, quite impressed00:56
MohammadAGlol, it used to fetch my ovi mail as push00:57
MohammadAGbut it pulled my gmail00:57
noobmonk3y_yeah it pushes my yahoo quite well :D00:57
MohammadAGvery useful for maemo bugs00:57
MohammadAGand package comments00:57
MohammadAGI'm not sure why I have my Junk folder subscribed00:57
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w00t_anyone know if there is a way (dbus signal maybe?) to tell when the app switcher is opened/closed?00:59
w00t_from dbus-monitor, it doesn't seem like it, so I'm hoping there's another way00:59
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MohammadAGthe dashboard?01:00
w00t_the thing that appears with live thumbnails of running apps01:00
w00t_app switcher :p01:00
noobmonk3y_meh icon has vanished from HAM again :(01:00
noobmonk3y_oooooo good question w00t_01:01
w00t_and a difficult one, as far as I can tell01:01
* w00t_ cannot find any way to do that, and it's annoying01:01
MohammadAGI'm kind of asking myself something01:01
MohammadAGif you're in an app it's not in the switcher01:02
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MohammadAGOh I can tell why you need it01:02
MohammadAGto update facebrick when someone goes into the dashboard01:02
w00t_not quite, no, this isn't facebrick related01:02
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w00t_seperate app, cooler one01:02
noobmonk3y_facepalm related?01:02
* MohammadAG gets excited01:02
w00t_(not ready to talk about it just now :P)01:03
* MohammadAG loses excitement01:03
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  go to extras devel and download HealthCheck ;)01:03
noobmonk3y_you know you wanna ;)01:03
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* MohammadAG seriously needs a nuclear battery01:03
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noobmonk3y_has anyone overclocked her btw? - need to test the cpu frequencies field some more01:04
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG, nearly all of the system tabs info update via click now :D01:04
noobmonk3y_added system load too01:04
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noobmonk3y_by her, i meant here* lol01:04
ds3I'll settle for a stable system at this point01:05
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, I'm still waiting for DocS and Speed Evil (spaces to not ping them) to start warning about overclocking01:05
MohammadAGor arguing :P01:05
noobmonk3y_lol they can warn all they want, i'm just interested in testing01:05
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noobmonk3y_if people want to do it, they can do ti :D - i aint no mother :D01:05
* MohammadAG echos false values into the scaling frequencies file01:06
MohammadAG7000 here I come01:06
ds3put in a faster chip if you want to go faster01:06
opdf2anyone from USA order Vikuiti DQC-160?01:07
ToJa92[noobmonk3y_]: I could try healthcheck out, I have overclocked01:07
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noobmonk3y_thanks ToJa92  - new version in devel01:08
noobmonk3y_it should force a new line01:08
noobmonk3y_on the frequencies line :D01:08
ToJa92just waiting for fennec to finish updating so I can download it :P01:08
noobmonk3y_beforehand it expanded the list so you had to scroll sideways - was a bit messy01:08
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noobmonk3y_cool :D thanks :D01:09
ToJa92how come some applications can be updated in app manager even though they have 'conflicting packages' ?01:10
MohammadAGOooh new desktop file :D01:10
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MohammadAGcan you increase the top bar a bit?01:11
MohammadAGyeah, sec01:11
noobmonk3y_ToJa92,  no idea!01:12
vblazquezHi, i'm trying to package an application, i did it succesfully, with dpkg -i application.deb works fine, but with the app manager is not working, is it needed something special?01:12
noobmonk3y_think its a temp fix until pr1.201:12
noobmonk3y_what do you mean with the app manager? auto builder?01:12
noobmonk3y_hi by the way :D hehe01:12
vblazquezunder gui01:12
noobmonk3y_moh, you can scroll it down lol01:13
noobmonk3y_little overlap looks cool i think :(01:13
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, HAM01:13
noobmonk3y_Ham sandwhich?01:13
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, lol I know01:13
MohammadAGI meant the black bar behind the 4 buttons01:13
noobmonk3y_so did you mean to remove the overlap?01:13
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noobmonk3y_actually, its the buttons that dangle :)01:14
* MohammadAG wants MS paint01:14
noobmonk3y_gimp will do?01:14
noobmonk3y_actually tux paint looks good ;)01:14
MohammadAGI want a quick way lol01:14
MohammadAGdon't know all labels01:14
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noobmonk3y_anyway, what you dont like is the way the tab labels appear over the list labels?01:15
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ToJa92is it the CPU frequencies field you want to know the value of?01:15
noobmonk3y_ToJa92,  just checking that it doesnt scroll of the screen01:15
noobmonk3y_and that it overlaps, and creates a new line :D01:15
dnearyRobot101, Ping?01:15
noobmonk3y_if there are more than three frequencies01:15
ToJa92well, it does not create a new line01:16
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noobmonk3y_:| eeeeeeeek01:16
ToJa92I got like 10 frequencies01:16
noobmonk3y_didnt predict that many!01:16
ToJa9214 actually01:16
noobmonk3y_thought a max of about 801:16
noobmonk3y_does it reacreate a second line?01:16
noobmonk3y_then kinda go nuts?01:16
ToJa92nope, the line below it says "Camera shutter state"01:17
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noobmonk3y_so you can only see a couple of your frequencies?01:17
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, quick professional edit
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ToJa92no, I can see all, the table expands on width instead of new line01:17
noobmonk3y_lol MohammadAG  - will remove the dangling01:17
ToJa92so the table is extremely wide right now01:17
noobmonk3y_ToJa92, - will add some new lines :P01:18
noobmonk3y_hmmm it should create a new line after the first three01:18
noobmonk3y_so thats really confusing01:18
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* MohammadAG likes the expanding tables01:19
* noobmonk3y_ doesn't :(01:19
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, did you change the font?01:19
MohammadAGit doesn't look the same01:19
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noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  yeah , CSS screws it up01:19
dnearyAny San Franciscans here?01:19
ToJa92[noobmonk3y_]: How about you do like this. You can see the first three values, then you have to click on the item to actually view the rest of them=01:19
* MohammadAG likes CSS01:19
ToJa92CSS is nice01:20
noobmonk3y_ToJa92, sounsd great - hard to do :(01:20
noobmonk3y_CSS Font size is smaller than before ToJa9201:20
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ToJa92strange, after opening healthchecker my reception dropped to nothing :S01:20
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ToJa92anyways, gotta sleep now01:21
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, the tests look better!01:21
noobmonk3y_thanks ToJa92  :D01:21
noobmonk3y_Yeah MohammadAG ! :D01:22
noobmonk3y_i thought so too :D01:22
ToJa92no problem, you couls /msg me here if you want more testing down.. that would have to wait until tommorow though01:22
noobmonk3y_thanks ToJa92  :D - will update another version tomorrow night ;)01:23
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  Will do another one for you in a minute hehe01:23
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, one more thing01:23
noobmonk3y_oooo yeah01:24
MohammadAGdoes the camera test really check the back cover?01:24
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noobmonk3y_try fooling it!01:24
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, I did01:24
noobmonk3y_it worked?01:24
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noobmonk3y_if it is open, it wont ask you to open it ;)01:25
MohammadAGif it's closed it will01:25
MohammadAGand if I pick yes it seems to take a pic01:25
noobmonk3y_oh well, its a bit of a faff01:25
noobmonk3y_but it works01:25
MohammadAGit does take a pic01:26
MohammadAGI removed the back cover (it thinks it's closed)01:26
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, actually, the mechanism it uses is racist01:26
MohammadAGcamera is open for white surfaces, closed for black ones01:27
MohammadAGwow, almost broke the clip XD01:27
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noobmonk3y_sent h/c in twice to get built01:33
noobmonk3y_oh well01:33
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* noobmonk3y_ wonders if frals smelt that and is a coming a running ;)01:33
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, no worries, one will get rejected01:34
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BCMMthinking of making a replacement startup video for my n90001:34
noobmonk3y_:D :D01:35
BCMMwhat happens if the video is long?01:35
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  - both suceeded!01:35
noobmonk3y_bcmm - you wait a long time to get into your phone ;)01:35
noobmonk3y_set it as a lord of the rings film then lend it to someone lol01:36
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, err01:36
BCMMnoobmonk3y_: yes, but does the GUI start in the background or what?01:36
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, you're gonna bring down the autobuilder!!!01:36
noobmonk3y_BCMM, dont think so01:36
BCMMi mean, if the video is much too long, will the GUI load behind the video, or after it finishes?01:36
* noobmonk3y_ is gonna cause mayhem! wohoooooooo01:36
noobmonk3y_BCMM, I think not01:36
MohammadAG# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK   Maemo Extras Builder01:37
MohammadAG# [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK   Maemo Extras Builder01:37
MohammadAGthey did succeed01:37
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG, Sir.... your changes are made!01:37
noobmonk3y_tis in devel!01:37
noobmonk3y_and i know, lol!01:37
* MohammadAG waits for the downtime01:37
BCMMnoobmonk3y_: so the gui loads after the video finishes?01:37
noobmonk3y_i didn't lie!01:37
* MohammadAG thanks noobmonk3y_ 01:37
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noobmonk3y_BCMM,  Yes that should be the order it works01:37
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noobmonk3y_i do not think there is a forced limit either01:37
noobmonk3y_just depends on space01:37
noobmonk3y_file corrupted on update01:38
* noobmonk3y_ laughs01:38
* noobmonk3y_ killed autobuilder :(01:38
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MohammadAG<noobmonk3y_> tis in devel!01:40
noobmonk3y_MohammadAG,  try and update - i'm getting corrupted file01:41
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MohammadAGscrew that01:41
MohammadAGit got imported?!?!01:41
noobmonk3y_and died!01:41
SpeedEvilIs anyone aware of a way tyo simplyt copy / to /sd - and to boot onto that using the 'open keyboard and hold a key' feature ?01:41
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, damn, the importer fought back and it didn't bring down the system01:41
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* noobmonk3y_ is uploading a new new one01:43
MohammadAGdamn control file got screwed01:44
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MohammadAGnoobmonk3y_, why'd you bump the version 2 numbers?01:46
noobmonk3y_cos number 2 got ancy and started biting my ankles01:46
noobmonk3y_built it and made a mistake, so then fixed it and made 301:46
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cehtehbwaha .. sms'o'death01:47
noobmonk3y_it's in extras-devel01:49
noobmonk3y_off for a ciggy, brb01:49
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noobmonk3ynight alls :D02:02
MohammadAGgnite noobmonk3y02:03
noobmonk3ymooooooo or nooooooooo?02:03
noobmonk3yi r tired02:03
infobotMohammadAG meant: nooooooooooooooooooooooooo02:03
noobmonk3yisnt it like 3am there?02:03
* frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout02:03
MohammadAGI sleep at 502:03
* noobmonk3y eats frals trout02:04
noobmonk3yoooo fishhhhhhhhhay02:04
noobmonk3ymeh, lifes a bitch ;)02:04
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noobmonk3yfrals - healthcheck is getting a very slow makeover!02:04
fralsgetting a decent ui? ;)02:04
noobmonk3y - changed a bit since then02:04
noobmonk3ywell, not really02:05
noobmonk3yjust not so boring02:05
MohammadAGfrals, it's decent ;)02:05
MohammadAGactually I like it, it's very simple02:05
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noobmonk3ynoticed that QT and css dont like each other much02:05
MohammadAGbut still more complex than an iCrap list02:05
noobmonk3ylol true02:06
* MohammadAG lost his N90002:06
* noobmonk3y ate MohammadAG's N90002:06
MohammadAGstill in ssh range02:06
* MohammadAG does a sudo sh explode.sh02:06
noobmonk3ySudo fart02:07
fralshmm checking my blogstats from yesterday02:07
frals2999 visits02:07
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, you killed the system!!!02:07
MohammadAGyou shouldn't have done it as root02:07
noobmonk3y??!?! lol02:07
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MohammadAGsudo fart02:07
noobmonk3yevil hell of a fart!02:07
MohammadAGnoobmonk3y, your status menu is clean02:08
MohammadAGerr, hildon-status-menu02:08
MohammadAGthe thing with the clock02:09
MohammadAGit's empty02:09
noobmonk3yoh no extra stuff?02:09
noobmonk3yhehe :D02:09
crashanddie_frals: wow, just get that number to be multiplied by 10 and you can have a viable blog02:09
noobmonk3ynot really modded it much02:09
* MohammadAG is amazed someone uses the 24h system02:09
noobmonk3yfrals, i visited twice :D02:10
MohammadAGwhat blog?02:10
* MohammadAG loves blogs02:10
MohammadAGexcept maybe engadget02:10
noobmonk3yfrals has a porn blog...
MohammadAGhamster porn?02:10
fralscrashanddie_: yes, im considering switching to posting about fashin and videologs of myself02:10
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fralsjust need to get breast implants and blonde hair02:11
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ArkenoiDoes anyone have digia @scene working? I get "this video was removed" for everything i try there :-/02:11
MohammadAGfrals, link?02:11
ArkenoiIt just started behaving that way a few weeks ago02:11
crashanddie_frals: I've had a few weeks around 50k visits a day02:11
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crashanddie_when I was a heavy poster, haven't written in quite a while02:11
crazyhorssshow can i compile on the n900 device itself?02:12
crashanddie_crazyhorsss: command it? "I order you to compile"02:12
crashanddie_crazyhorsss: now, if you told us what language, we might be able to help :)02:12
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crashanddie_crazyhorsss: usually it involves install build-essential ;)02:12
* MohammadAG assumes C/C++02:13
fralsMohammadAG: blog.frals.se02:13
* lcuk wants to go shoot some zombies02:13
fralsi only post about fmms stuff02:13
noobmonk3ymeh he beat me02:13
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MohammadAGlcuk, CoD WaW :P02:13
* lcuk just watched zombieland02:13
rm_youl4d2 wins :P02:13
crashanddie_HL2? :P02:13
noobmonk3ylcuk, zombieland rocks!02:14
lcukhl2 wins02:14
crashanddie_MW2 -- not zombies, still very good.02:14
MohammadAGCS :p02:14
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, indeed :)02:14
rm_youl4d2 == zombieland02:14
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fralshad they just had dedi servers mw2 wouldve been awesome02:14
lcuknoobmonk3y, i spotted advert for it b4 and got it on ppv02:14
crashanddie_frals: meh, never noticed anything different02:14
crashanddie_frals: then again, I play on PS3, so used to it02:15
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, lots of migrating stuff02:15
lcukor ondemand or whatever it is02:15
fralscrashanddie: that explain it then02:15
crazyhorssswhat could be the problem.. im trying to open a new console window while  running this one, gets me and error Could not open console02:15
fralscrazyhorsss: limit is 4 open at once02:15
MohammadAGMigrating server ... Awaiting connection .. 0 .. 1.. Connecting to server 0 ... Game lobby closed02:15
fralsunless you change it02:15
rm_yougrah unemployment blows02:15
crazyhorsssi have just 1 open02:15
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lcukand the world goes to shit02:16
crashanddie_MohammadAG: really, we don't give a sht02:16
lcukcrazyhorsss, do you understand linux02:17
lcukcompiling on device is limited02:17
lcukyou cannot simply get ./configure, and you cannot simply build packages02:17
crazyhorsssnot a pro, but avera linux user02:17
lcukbut add the maemo sdk and tools repositories02:17
crashanddie_crazyhorsss: control shift x02:17
lcukand if you have enough space you can apt-get install build-essential02:18
lcukwhich gives you "make" and gcc :)02:18
crashanddie_crazyhorsss: that opens a new console every time02:18
* noobmonk3y loves python.......02:18
noobmonk3ynight alls (again)02:18
crazyhorssshow much space?02:18
crashanddie_night noobmonk3y02:18
lcuknight noobmonk3y02:18
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crazyhorssscrashanddie_: thanks, it works02:19
lcukcrazyhorsss, lots - apt-get will tell you and its up to you to sort it - alternative as noobmonk3y suggested is python02:19
lcukmuch simpler02:19
lcukless heavyweight02:19
lcukpyqt works well02:19
crashanddie_easier to develop on-device02:19
lcukinstall healthcheck - it will put everything you need for on device hacking of .py files02:19
lcukin console run python and have fun02:20
lcukthe rest is fluff02:20
crashanddie_crazyhorsss: I was a big anti-python guy, and well, i have to say I like it a lot now. I'm guessing if you need CPU-intensive stuff you can always write it in C and then call it from python -- use python as a glue, and C as your bricks02:20
crazyhorsssyeah, great for ,ython02:20
crashanddie_crazyhorsss: python will allow you to architecture your application the way you want it, hack it the way you want it, and then if needed, you can develop the C "modules" (subsections that aren't fast enough in python) at home, from the comfort of your PC02:21
crashanddie_that's how I do it now02:21
Disconnectsweeet mms worked :)02:21
crashanddie_hack on the go, optimize at home02:21
crashanddie_aaarggghhhh, I die a little inside02:22
crazyhorsssok, thanks02:22
crashanddie_lcuk: show him a cool  video of what you did all in C, on the device :)02:22
crashanddie_lcuk: show him it's possible02:22
lcukcrazyhorsss, install liqflow02:23
lcukits the simplest way to show you something different02:23
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lcuki need on device stuff again soon crashanddie_02:24
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crashanddie_lcuk: why so?02:25
lcukmy desk has got 810s and 900s and pcs02:25
lcuki need to get them all compiling new builds as i make changes02:25
lcukand running them - just like i did on one machine02:25
lcuknow on a cluster of different ones02:25
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lcukso i can see the effects02:25
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lcuki wanted to write the communication manager in pyqt02:26
lcukbut qt has no native method to do multicast02:26
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lcuki know of that02:28
lcukbut its not cross platform or native qt02:28
Robot101lcuk: use tubes in salut...02:28
crashanddie_ah, yes indeed02:28
Robot101lcuk: it has a multicase protocol already02:28
lcuki have to step out of the qt walled garden to get it02:28
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Robot101lcuk: andrunko or smcv or oggis or wjt can help you :)02:29
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lcukRobot101, i was just wanting something quick - none of the machines have any accounts o_O :D but yes i will speak to them02:29
lcukie - i will have 5 local machines02:29
lcukdifferent profiles02:29
lcuknot instant messaging person to person02:29
lcukbut machine to machine02:29
lcukindividual pieces of my house net02:30
crashanddie_lcuk: couldn't you implement a subscriber design pattern?02:30
lcukis it reasonable to have instant messaging accounts for "home-bedroom-wall"02:30
crashanddie_or maybe you don't want to?02:30
lcukand "gary-n00"02:31
crashanddie_lcuk: eventually that's where we're heading to02:31
Robot101you don't need accounts with a server for salut02:31
Robot101it's the link-local one02:31
lcukRobot101, i know that02:31
Robot101you can just poke accounts and if it's not there, make a salut account for liqbase@thisbox02:31
lcukbut they need accounting for and naming02:31
crashanddie_lcuk: though, I imagine it's more likely that such features would be properties of a specific account -- just as now you have a mobile, work and home number for someone, I can't imagine it being that different to have a living room, bedroom or kitchen direct dialing system02:31
lcukRobot101, the table has ~7 handhelds02:32
lcukwhich one is which02:32
lcukthey need accounts and logical names02:32
lcukand if you come to my house02:32
lcukrobs-n900 will be on the table too02:32
crashanddie_lcuk: as always, give them science fiction names02:32
Robot101you can probably find the user's name from somewhere too...?02:32
crashanddie_lcuk: may I suggest picard, laforge, data, worf...02:33
Robot101grub around in some modest settings or something :D02:33
lcukRobot101, an account would be simpler - or rather - alias of my account02:33
lcuk"on this machine gary is known as "lcuk-n00"02:33
Robot101you can sign in multiple times with telepathy02:33
Robot101er, XMPP02:33
lcuklose recognition02:33
crashanddie_but only one username/status message makes it to the server -- the last one connected IIRC02:34
Robot101but telepathy doesn't distinguish them currently02:34
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Robot101crashanddie_: that's decided by the client, not the server02:34
lcukno i know thats why i thought they would need accounts each02:34
Robot101yeah but... it's just software, we can fix it right :)02:34
crashanddie_Robot101: well, not really -- I seem to remember that during the logon phase, the client needs to confirm the name?02:35
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lcukRobot101, how do we handle currently logged in with work computer and n90002:36
lcukcan both be on IM?02:36
lcukat the same time, or is that service specific02:36
crashanddie_both receive the message02:36
lcukie msn might allow it02:36
lcukother providers wont02:36
crashanddie_ah, don't konw02:36
crashanddie_I've noticed differences per provider though02:36
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crashanddie_for example, google chat will send the first message of a conversation to all connected clients02:37
crashanddie_but will only send subsequent messages to the one that replied02:37
crashanddie_skype, on the other hand, echoes messages and responses to all connected clients02:37
* MohammadAG wonders how noobmonk3y got that host cloak02:37
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MohammadAGit's not a freenode cloak afaik02:37
crashanddie_noobit's just a british telecom reverse dns02:38
crashanddie_MohammadAG: that's just a british telecom reverse dns02:38
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Robot101MohammadAG: you can get cloaks easily on freenode, just register with nickserv and turn it on iirc02:45
MohammadAGI am registered02:45
Robot101so turn on cloaking02:45
Robot101/msg NickServ help02:45
MohammadAGI think you have to be an upstanding member of the community02:45
MohammadAGI know the commands...02:45
crashanddie_MohammadAG: I firmly oppose you receiving a cloak02:45
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, I'm not asking for one, and why's that?02:46
Robot101crashanddie_: so with XMPP, what happens is that you sign on and get multiple resources (your JID is user@server/resource)02:46
crashanddie_MohammadAG: but in case you ignore my veto, just ask X-Fade, he's the maemo account manager. Just ask him for a cloak.02:46
Robot101crashanddie_: each resource has a priority and its own presence & status message02:46
MohammadAGNo, I don't deserve a free one02:46
Robot101crashanddie_: the server sends incoming messages with no specific resource to all of the resources with the highest priority02:46
crashanddie_Robot101: which when idle is all of the connected resources?02:47
crashanddie_Robot101: and then when resource x replies, its priority is topped up02:47
Robot101crashanddie_: not quite. by default, Telepathy (and Google Talk) sets no priority, so it is 0, so the initial message goes to all of your resources. if you /reply/, a well-behaving client should reply to the resource that replied to it.02:47
Robot101(and if that resource later disconnects, it's equivalent to sending with no resource)02:48
crashanddie_k k02:48
lcukMohammadAG, speak with x-fade on monday02:48
fralsneeds 500 karma02:48
MohammadAGlcuk, again, I don't deserve one02:48
lcukwhy not?02:48
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lcukyou are active and helpful and communicative and engaged in here02:48
MohammadAGidk, haven't done enough to deserve one imho02:48
crashanddie_X-Fade: Hey buddy, can you give a maemo/contributor/ to MohammadAG? Thanks02:49
MohammadAGX-Fade, disregard that one lol02:49
lcukdisregard his disregard02:49
Robot101BELAY THAT ORDER!!!02:49
lcukforce one upon him if you can :D02:49
MohammadAGdisregard him asking you disregard my disregard02:49
crashanddie_Robot101: STAND DOWN OFFICER02:49
crashanddie_MohammadAG: actually, even without the to, that was grammatically correct02:50
MohammadAGlol didn't think about it02:50
MohammadAGit sounds better with to ;)02:50
* MohammadAG wonders if lcuk is typing a long disregard chain :)02:51
MohammadAGnah but seriously, I haven't done enough for the community :)02:51
crashanddie_you're active in here mate, and aren't a falling star02:51
lcukno im looking for which enterprise captain uses "BELAY THAT ORDER" most so i can photoshop Robot101 onto it02:51
SpeedEvilPicard I'd say02:52
crashanddie_lcuk: picard02:52
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MohammadAGcrashanddie_, well, I think others deserve it more than I do02:53
crashanddie_dude, it's a free bloody thing02:53
crashanddie_there's no merit attached to it02:53
toresbeYes, we have a very limited supply of cloaks02:53
crashanddie_it's a bloody cloak02:53
toresbethey are made individually by natives skilled in their craft02:53
lcukthose damned klingons stole them all02:53
MohammadAGtoresbe, thought so :P02:53
crashanddie_come to think of it02:53
crashanddie_we're running out of lines02:53
lcukMohammadAG, please have mine02:53
crashanddie_I'm taking one for the team guys02:54
crashanddie_or our channel is going to run out of allowed content02:54
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toresbecrashanddie_: You could win a lot by02:54
toresbecrashanddie_: using only one line per02:54
toresbecrashanddie_: sentence ;)02:54
toresbecrashanddie_: this isn't MSN02:54
toresbecrashanddie_: enter is not punctuation02:54
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lcukn900ive never had a cloak on this account02:55
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lcukand so many people pop in uncloaked, giving them something else02:55
toresbeSpeaking of the cloak, it's way too late02:55
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toresbeI've got to set my alarm cloak and go to bed. Night.02:56
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MohammadAGnight toresbe02:56
crashanddie_night toresbe02:56
toresbeat this point, I realize it might be a good idea to turn _off_ the audible hilight notification02:57
lcukand its about time i vanished as well02:57
lcuk\o gnite everyone02:57
MohammadAGNight lcuk :)02:57
crashanddie_night guv02:57
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MohammadAGis it me or do these batteries look fake
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dima202I can't figure out how to get into n900 repositories. I am editing /etc/init.d/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. I'm not sure if this is correct deb fremantle free non-free should work no?03:05
MohammadAGdima202, that's the SDK repository (and no)03:06
MohammadAGwhy are you adding the SDK repo?03:07
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dima202there are some tools there that i need03:08
crashanddie_dima202: do you read what you write, sometimes?03:08
crashanddie_dima202: first of all, SDK will most probably break your device03:09
crashanddie_dima202: secondly, /etc/init.d/sources.list.d?03:09
dima202I understand the risk03:09
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MohammadAGdima202, as crashanddie_ said, it's not init.d it's etc03:09
dima202i mean /etc/apt/sources.list.d03:09
crashanddie_dima202: that file is managed by the app manager03:10
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marmouteGod, The maemo email client sux so much... don't even display attachement...03:10
crashanddie_dima202: the ones you want to add manually should go in /etc/apt/sources.list03:10
dima202yeah but app manager is a bit slow so I am editing it manually03:10
dima202oh ok03:10
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MohammadAGYou will break your device deb fremantle/sdk free non-free03:11
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MohammadAGdeb fremantle/tools free non-free for the tools03:11
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crashanddie_dima202: Hast thy flasher readyeth, for thee will requireth its admonishment soon! Muwhahahahahaha03:13
crashanddie_it's amazing how well the <evil laugh> works with old english :P03:14
crashanddie_You reckon 500 years ago, everyone used that laugh?03:14
crashanddie_"What can I provide thee, my master?" "I shall require twices breades, and noint eggs, for I need breaking the feast to my family! Mhuwhahahahahahaha" <-- another sunday morning at the Nottingham bakery?03:16
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dima202it keeps ading crap like /binary-armel/Packages03:17
crashanddie_that's not crap dear, that's the contents of the repo03:18
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crashanddie_yo sp300003:18
dima202i see the contents, and it's not there03:18
infobotcrashanddie_ meant: yo SpeedEvil03:18
* sp3000 unperks03:18
dima202and because it's adding this i am getting 404s03:19
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crashanddie_sp3000: sorry bru, got tab-pwned03:19
crashanddie_dima202: which part of "This will break your device" did you not fathom?03:19
dima202Then let it break it, I want to get that repository on the device03:20
crashanddie_then stop f'ing complaining that it doesn't work?03:20
Macerhave to wait on this n900 to get here03:20
dima202I just can't figure this thing out :(03:20
Macerit says friday03:21
crashanddie_dima202: it's broken -- it's usually easier to pull the debs from debian and install directly on the device03:21
Macerhope maemo5 is maemo4 made better heh03:21
crashanddie_dima202: there's a few scripts that allow you to pull dependencies and sources directly from the debian repos, and compile in one go03:21
crashanddie_Macer: oh it's different alright.03:21
crashanddie_dima202: what tools do you need?03:22
dima202crashanddie_: yeah, looks like i'll have to do it by hand because maemo keeps screwing me up03:22
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dima202crashanddie_: all i wanted was screen03:22
Macercrashanddie_: different doesnt always mean better ;)03:23
crashanddie_Macer: I never said it was03:23
Macerit does record h264 video ?03:23
Macerlike n95 quality?03:23
Macern95 did awesome video03:24
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dima202it didnt go. It's hard for me to install screen. I'm going to have to dig a lot deeper into this rabbit hole03:28
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pupnikdon't let the aspca find out03:30
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crashanddie_Macer: don't think it's h26403:43
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crashanddie_"Worldwide, industry losses for passenger airlines and cargo companies could reach as much as $3 billion from the cloud, Helane Becker, an analyst with Jesup & Lamont Securities, told Reuters Insider on Monday. For U.S. airlines, she estimated the impact at $400 million to $600 million."03:51
crashanddie_I guess that "The Cloud" isn't as good for the world as we first thought... Time to find a new buzzword03:52
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pupnikthe impact isnt from the ash cloud03:55
pupnikit is from the idiot government bureaucracies03:55
pupnikyou see how everyone is misled...03:55
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crashanddie_pupnik: your conspiracy theories are getting old03:58
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crashanddie_well, not your theories, your default statement that everything is a conspiracy03:58
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crashanddie_I mean seriously, get a girlfriend, go out to the pub and chill03:58
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pupnikyou have 1) a natural event plus 2) a nest of government bureaucracies which only _combined_ create a flight ban devastating the economy here04:02
pupniknow 1) was not preventable    ...  2) was04:02
crashanddie_so you'd rather see people fly to their deaths?04:03
crashanddie_pupnik: trust me, seeing how bad the ash is sandpapering the planes, having them not fly at all is a good thing04:03
crashanddie_Plus, countries are slowly re-opening their airspace04:03
pupnikyou con04:03
crashanddie_When each incident can cause multiple hundreds of deaths, playing it safe really is the only option -- regardless of money spent04:04
pupniki would prefer to choose my level of risk myself, thank you04:05
crashanddie_except you're not risking your own life matey04:05
pupnikthose externalities are insurable04:05
crashanddie_do you have your own plane, and can you fly it yourself? And can you ensure that you will not crash on some poor bloke's house?04:05
crashanddie_if not, you have no right to expect anyone to take risks just because you want to go somewhere. Take a bloody boat.04:05
pupnikI am not the one advocating force and coercion here.04:06
crashanddie_They did test flights, they are doing everything that is safely possible to get people moving again04:07
crashanddie_european union?04:07
pupnikthe *companies* did04:07
crashanddie_This is what I hate about democracy -- and to a worse extent, the fact that these days, democracy = every fucking idiot can boast their most stupid ideas: if they don't allow people to fly, people complain, and if they allow people to fly, and they crash, people would complain, people would get sacked for negligence.04:08
* MohammadAG remembers when crashanddie_ talked about moderating04:09
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MohammadAGI see some similarity :P04:09
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crashanddie_this is why people should vote, and then shut the fuck up04:10
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crashanddie_if you're unhappy, step up, or step down04:10
pupnikthe problem here as i see it, is most people being brainwashed with the expectation can or should attempt to make an inherently risky activity safer04:10
MohammadAGcrashanddie_, you have been promoted *plays electronic guitar tone from CoD*04:10
pupnikthe problem here as i see it, is most people being brainwashed with the expectation that Government can or should attempt to make an inherently risky activity safer04:11
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crashanddie_pupnik: agreed, I hate the nanny-state syndrome at least as much as you do04:11
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crashanddie_pupnik: but it doesn't apply when there is a *real* or *unknown* risk04:11
pupnikthe airlines wouldnt risk it04:12
crashanddie_and in this case, the extent of the risk was very much unknown -- this is even worse than just knowing there is a risk04:12
solarionif you compile something with -DFOO=BAR how do you check what value FOO has (#if expression)04:12
solarionI'd rather not do -DFOO=<number>04:13
pupnikthey would send up cargo flights around the edges of the "cloud" and empirically test04:13
solarion#if FOO == BAR doesn't seem to really work04:13
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crashanddie_solarion: #ifdef FOO04:14
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crashanddie_sorry, misread that, hang on04:15
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solarioncrashanddie_: np04:16
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solarionI suppose internally it's not a huge deal, but sitll04:16
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crashanddie_solarion: what are you trying to achieve?04:18
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crashanddie_solarion: AFAIK, you can't actually check the value of anything else than a scalar value04:19
solarioncrashanddie_: I have several LAPACK implementations that could be used, and I need to select apprpriate headers and things04:19
solarionI thought you could, but it seems to be failing04:19
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solarionIt'd be more straightforward if I didn't have to have an implicit number-meaning association04:21
crashanddie_"expression is a C expression of integer type [...]. It may contain: Integer constants, Character constants, Arithmetic, Identifiers, Macro calls."04:22
crashanddie_solarion: how about simply using different directives?04:22
solarionlooks like you're right :(04:22
solarionI'd rather not have to worry about FIRST_IMPLEMENTATION and SECOND_IMPLEMENTATION are defined04:22
crashanddie_seems like it would be the easiest option04:23
solarion-DFOO=<num> has the distinct advantage of guaranteeing implicitly that we only have one option selected04:23
crashanddie_then in your code simply have #ifdef FIRST_IMPLEMENTATION ... #elif defined SECOND_IMPLEMENTATION04:23
crashanddie_so does elif ;)04:23
solarionI think I'll go with this for now04:23
solarionno, now you have an implicit conflict resolution04:24
crashanddie_solarion: #gcc might offer more insightful advice though04:24
crashanddie_my gcc skills are seriously limited04:24
solarionit's kind of finding the least crappy of crappy options. :)04:24
solarionthis works for now, thnks04:24
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crashanddie_GAN900: I whored about MWKN on meego-community, maybe we can get someone to finish my dodgy code04:41
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gseverhi, are there any bluetooth experts?05:02
crashanddie_well, there must be, otherwise bluetooth would never have come to existence05:03
crashanddie_but here? No idea.05:03
gseverI am having problem to establish a bluetooth network between N900-maemo5 and Fedora 1205:03
gseverhehe funny :)05:03
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gseverseems like the right words I am after are Bluetooth-PAN05:06
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chantrahi all, I am desperately looking into finding the meaning of the last to "byte" fields of05:34
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chantradbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.get_current_cell_info05:34
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chantralooks like the one before last is set to 2 in offline mode05:35
chantraand back to 0 in normal mode05:35
chantrasaw it once with value 1, but not sure what it meant :s05:36
chantraany hints appreciated :)05:36
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solarionI am in business.  Muah ha ha ha06:00
solarionfortran still sucks, tho06:01
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* solarion now has a library to isolate the suck06:01
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crashanddie_I'm accessing Nokia's online documentation library06:04
crashanddie_doing a search, and the system goes "Indexing: This happens the first time the search engine is used, and will only happen once"06:04
crashanddie_good to see it's heavily used :P06:05
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tonyyarussoHow do I disable automatic mounting to /media/mmc2?06:26
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parimis there an usable port of android for the n810?06:37
crashanddie_parim: no06:42
crashanddie_parim: I remember running it in some sort of virtual/emulated environment, but it was dog-slow06:43
crashanddie_tonyyarusso: don't close the back cover? :P06:43
tonyyarussocrashanddie_: actually, I think I found something - I can change the mountpoint in /etc/osso-afsoemthing/, which will do the trick.06:44
tonyyarussoAnnoying that it doesn't honor /etc/fstab though.06:44
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parim crashanddie_: thanks06:46
opdf2which site is fairly accurate for testing 3.5G speed?06:51
opdf2I've been using the"iPhone browser Speed and Latency Test" from DSLreports, but dont think it is accurate06:51
Surfaserver near you with relatively large file06:52
Surfabut cellular connections are somewhat unreliable too, so i don't know if it makes much difference06:53
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tank-manif it is unreliable, then that factors into your speed.06:53
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tank-manyou can't try and ignore it06:54
opdf2I'm using T-Mobile USA in Chicago, and am barely seeing 1Mbit/sec06:55
opdf2latency is around 300 ms06:55
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* crashanddie_ remember the days when V90 modems came out... Such speed at your home? Impossible!06:59
parimopdf2:how may bars of network strength do you have right now?06:59
crashanddie_And now people complain because they're barely seeing 20 times that speed whereever they are06:59
opdf2hmm i got 2Mbit down 0.35Mbit up at speakeasy Chicago. thats better07:00
opdf24 bars.07:00
parimout of 5?07:00
opdf2guess that iphone test is not accurate07:00
opdf2yes i think 5 is max07:01
parim2Mbit down is pretty good07:01
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opdf2okay cool07:01
opdf2im cravin the 4G latency!07:02
parimi know cant wait for widespread adoption of wimix/lte07:04
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crashanddie_wimax won't be adopted07:05
crashanddie_wimax is dead07:05
parimi think what we will see is wimax for data and lte for voice.07:06
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crashanddie_wanna bet?07:07
opdf2yes in USA, sprint is investing a lot in 4G wimax07:07
opdf2in Chicago, Sprint' Clearwire is penetrating the metro area07:08
opdf2Comcast also resells clearwire07:08
parimi carry two phones and two N810, one phone is on plain old 2g GSM the other is on 3G and one of the N810`s is on wimax07:10
parimwimax here in india is amazing i get 10mbit symmetric07:11
parimmy guess is that no one uses it.07:11
tonyyarussoWell now this is odd.  Applications install, and can be run from the command line, but don't show up in the menus.  They do however show up in the panel organization.07:12
tonyyarussois there a command to rebuild the menu?07:13
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crashanddie_parim: you just made half a channel go "OMG THEY HAVE ELECTRICITY IN INDIA????"07:25
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opdf2parim:  thats pretty amazing with 10mbit symmetric. Hows the latency07:26
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parim crashanddie_:"India has more mobile phones than toilets: UN report"
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parimopdf2: its anywere between 50-200ms ususally around 100-125ms07:29
opdf2wow, thats better than the wimax in chicago07:29
opdf2alot better07:29
Ken-YoungI wonder if India has more English speakers than any other country.07:29
opdf2i'm guessing china does07:30
parimno is number207:30
parimto the usa07:30
parimopdf2:china is 18th07:31
opdf2lol im way off07:31
Ken-YoungWell, from the looks of that table, and the fact that India's population is expected to reach at least 1.3 Gigafolks, they'll have the most english speakers soon.07:33
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parimKen-Young: i will agree with that. a lot of people in my gneration can read&&write&&speak only english, i cant really write/read my mother tounge. by the way im 1807:35
Ken-Youngparim, Wow - that07:36
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Ken-Youngthat's very surprising to me.07:36
Ken-Youngparim, Are there more English speakers than Hindi speakers?07:37
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oilinkiparim: if I recall correctly, India has more than 1000 different languages (at least dialects which differ a lot of each other) ?07:38
parimthere are 442M hindi speakers07:38
Ken-YoungWould Hindi be understood by, for example, a native Gujarati speaker, who had not received any Hindi language instruction?07:41
parimkind of, not always though07:41
parimoilinki: yea07:42
Maceranybody here use zimbra?07:48
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otuboHello again, friends. Is there any trick to install minigpsd?07:54
otuboI am trying to use my n900 gps with google earth com my eeepc while making a trip.07:55
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oilinkiparim: you reminded me to upload pictures from India to my website :)07:58
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parimoilinki:ohh so you were in India?07:58
oilinkiparim: 3 times. work trips only.07:59
parimoilinki: Banglore?08:00
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oilinkiparim: New Delhi, Kolkata and Munbai08:02
parimoilinki: if you dont mind me asking what carrer path are you in?08:02
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oilinkiparim: I used to work for Nokia :)08:04
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parimoilinki: ohh thats amazing. i am looking for an intrnship with nokia.08:07
crashanddie_how is "used to work for nokia" an answer to "what kind of job do you hold?"08:08
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oilinkiwell, sorry I don't think I can help with that anymore. Now doing my own thing08:08
crashanddie_for all we know, that means you could've been an assembly drone, a dustbin cleaner, or a CTO.08:08
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vasily_zajcevis there any way to use conky (or something else) with matchbox?08:09
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crashanddie_pryvit vasily_zajcev08:10
oilinkicrashanddie: as an career path. Mobile applications, technical marketing, servers, tech project management etc. misc stuff. sometimes assembler etc.08:10
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crashanddie_vasily_zajcev: matchbox?08:10
vasily_zajcevmaemo default wm08:10
crashanddie_on 770?08:11
parimcrashanddie: i dont think that an assembler  or a dustbin cleaner would travel to india on busineess08:11
crashanddie_parim: maybe he's very good at cleaning bins?08:12
crashanddie_vasily_zajcev: conky should be in the repositories IIRC08:12
parimcrashanddie_: good pint.08:13
vasily_zajcevthere is a problem08:13
vasily_zajcevwith double buffer08:13
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crashanddie_vasily_zajcev: it goes white?08:14
vasily_zajcevjust black08:14
crashanddie_same difference08:15
crashanddie_I'm afraid that qwerty stopped working on conky quite some time ago08:15
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vasily_zajcevthe problem is that wallpaper system inadequate )08:16
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oilinkiparim: here we go. some pictures
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parimoilinki: intresting that you share the same last name as oli pekka08:26
Macercan n900 microb render ajax zimbra08:27
Maceris what i was wondering08:27
Maceri know i filed a bug for maemo4 and someone left a comment saying it renders on the n900 just fine08:27
Maceralso. how are they advertizing 1GB of ram?08:27
Maceri thought omap3 was limited to 256 or so08:27
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oilinkiparim: ? pekka is first name.08:28
microlithMacer: 768MB of swap08:28
parimMacer: if you have a zimbra server, you can create a test account and someone here will check it out,08:28
parimoilinki: i am sorry,08:28
parimoilinki: i messed up08:29
oilinkiparim: mai pen rai. eg. no problem :)08:29
microlithMacer: any idea what FF version the maemo4 version of microb is based on?08:30
parimoilinki: if you dont mind, what phone(s) do you use currently08:30
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crashanddie_Macer: not based off firefox08:31
oilinkiparim: very old one. I have not bought phones for an long time.08:32
crashanddie_Macer: microb uses gecko for rendering, and Nokia UI08:32
parimoilinki: N95?08:32
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oilinkiold e-series08:33
parimohh ok,08:33
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Macerdont know but bug said maemo5 microb worked08:35
Macerbut am not sure if it was for ajax08:35
Macerso 256+swap = 1G?08:36
vilinyis ajax client sided?08:36
microlithMacer: yes08:36
Macernot sure really08:36
Macermicrolith: hope it is fast swap08:36
Macermy n900 should be here soon08:37
microlitheh, it's on the 32GB eMMC08:37
Macerhave to see if tmob will clone my sim08:37
Macerso i dont have to keep swapping08:37
microlithI turned swappiness down and haven't had any issues08:37
microliththe best thing to do is tone down the transition effects08:37
Macerheh.. no sacrifices!08:37
Macermostly same apps on maemo5?08:37
crashanddie_microlith: sorry, those two things were for you08:38
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microlithcrashanddie: yeah, gathered that08:38
microlithmm, if you're asking relative to maemo4, I'll have to let someone else answer08:38
crashanddie_timeless: you awake?08:38
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parimthis is not specifically related to maemo, does any onw know where I can get a nokia fls-5 or a fps-20 ?08:41
crashanddie_parim: ebay08:42
parimcrashanddie_: i have been lookin for a week now and cant really find them online.08:44
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vilinymicrolith: how do you turn down transition effects?08:47
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Vanadis_Workviliny, by replacing the original transitions.ini with a modded one08:47
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Chiku|dcmacer, I use zimbra ajax it is just very very slow08:50
vilinyThank you Vanadis_Work will have to try and find a guide08:50
Vanadis_Workwait, just searching the thread08:50
Chiku|dcand by default it"s standard html08:50
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tonyyarussoOkay guys, I need some help here.  When I install applications, they're not showing up in the applications menu.  They get added to ~/.osso/menus/ , but aren't actually in the menu when I click.  (even after reboot)08:52
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vilinyThanks again Vanadis_Work  :)08:58
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crashanddie_just heard a government worker (well, co-worker I guess), outside my cubicle talking to another guy: "You heading home? Did you finish xyz?" "Yeah, I was going to, but then i couldn't be bothered anymore" "What do you mean?" "This job sucks"09:05
crashanddie_"Oh, ok, have a nice evening"09:05
crashanddie_morning Stskeeps, how you doing?09:06
Stskeepswaiting for the final cancellation of my flight09:07
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crashanddie_here's me hoping my flight from oz to eu will not be tampered with next week09:08
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ds3is it getting cold there with the lack of sun?09:08
crashanddie_ds3: no impact09:08
Stskeepswas quite nice and warm here in .pl09:09
crashanddie_ds3: it's not like it's feckin black sky or anything09:09
ds3where's the volcanic winter :D09:09
crashanddie_Stskeeps: how's it looking, are the airlines talking?09:09
vilinyanyone else get their hair caught in the phone when talking?09:09
Stskeepscrashanddie_: they're complaining loudly09:09
vilinyi have like a 3mm shave09:09
ds3hair? aren't we all bald? :D09:10
crashanddie_ds3: you do realise volcanic winter requires an ash-cloud covering 40% of the planet, and 6 months continuous darkness09:10
crashanddie_viliny: yeah, happens to me all the time09:10
ds3crashandie: :)09:10
crashanddie_viliny: pretty painful if you ask me09:10
vilinysometimes yeah :P09:10
Stskeepscrashanddie_: as test flights in amsterdam and frankfurt didn't cause any problems09:10
crashanddie_Stskeeps: good09:10
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Stskeepscrashanddie_: but there's increased output from the volcano so things might change a bit09:11
crashanddie_Stskeeps: frankfurt? I thought Germany kept its runways closed?09:11
crashanddie_yeah I heard09:11
crashanddie_man this sucks09:11
crashanddie_I don't want to come back home by boat09:11
ds3didn't they say a few days ago that there were no more snow to melt and cause more explosive eruptions and now they say there is a second one coming? :D09:11
Stskeepscrashanddie_: yes, but test flights09:11
crashanddie_ds3: stfu09:12
crashanddie_Stskeeps: restrain me09:12
Stskeepscrashanddie_: no thanks, i'll let your girlfriends do that :P09:13
crashanddie_I heard that the UK is deploying its navy, amongst which a planer carrier09:13
infobotcrashanddie_ meant: I heard that the UK is deploying its navy, amongst which a plane carrier09:13
vilinythat was discussed here yesterday i think09:13
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crashanddie_though, I called the UK, and they said my boat would only arrive in roughly 3 months09:14
crashanddie_so I'm thinking I might jump onboard one of those little boats they smuggle people into the country with (into oz, that is)09:14
crashanddie_Lion King's "Let me out, let me out; let me in, let me in" comes to mind.09:15
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crashanddie_"Apple requests return of lost iPhone prototype"09:19
Stskeepsheh, way to indicate it's real09:20
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crashanddie_lol... One of the comments on that story says "If I found that phone, I would bargain with Steve to get a free iPad 64GB 3G in exchange"09:21
crashanddie_you idiot. If you found that phone, you could ask for a hundred iPads and still get away with it.09:21
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vilinylike anyone would like iProducts anyway :)09:22
crashanddie_viliny: I'm buying an Ipad as soon as it comes out in europe, methink09:23
crashanddie_The guy who found it and sent it to Gizmodo/Engadget was smart though, he didn't boast about it on the interwebs, and his name never came up.09:23
vilinyokay i can respect that, but for what reason exactly?09:23
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crashanddie_viliny: mainly as a living room computer09:23
vilinyisn't it kinda limited for that?09:23
vilinyi mean, a laptop would be so much better and maybe even cheaper?09:24
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crashanddie_viliny: I hate picking up the full laptop when in the living room -- way too antisocial, and I may use it for longer than an N900's allows for09:24
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vilinyokay... well scott kurtz wrote that you kinda need to buy the rubber cover to have a proper grip on the thing if thats of any help to know09:25
crashanddie_whereas an iPad would give you the same social context as say, reading the newspaper09:25
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crashanddie_not as involved as a laptop, more comfortable than a phone09:25
crashanddie_yeah, but I won't get the Apple extras09:25
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crashanddie_they're expensive and quite crappy -- and ugly09:25
crashanddie_and also, just for the hell of having an extra gadget ;)09:26
crashanddie_I bought the iPod Touch when it came out, just for the hell of it, played with it for a while, then gave it to my mum as I left France09:26
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind a smartq r709:26
MacerChiku|dc: have you tried using zimbra through clients?09:26
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Maceri think the one i am most interested in is webdav09:27
Macerso i can access briefcases on the n900 and ul/dl to them09:27
Stskeeps(if it's as hackable)09:27
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Maceri dont know what zimbra is doing to the docs section but the new beta spreadsheet and document ajax stuff looks promising but i wish it would store them in ooffice format09:28
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Macerthat would be awesome09:28
vilinyi can't bring myself to like iphones or ipads one bit... so damn closed and elitist - but opinions are like aholes i guess. I went to the store and this guy behind the counter started talking about his new iphone and junk and i told him i got a new phone too and whipped out the N900 - to my surprise he just went "oh... the N900" and stopped talking about his phone.09:28
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Macerit kind of looks like they might eliminate the docs tab altogether09:29
vilinyoc to 900mhz and transition ini mod - can i get a hell yeah for lightning fast :)09:30
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yigalI ask periodically and I guess I will now, does anyone use there n900 for taking hand drawn notes for lectures?09:30
Stskeepsyigal: i did a bit on my n8x0 but i think n900 might be too small for it09:30
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crashanddie_viliny: You have assholes everywhere. Some people buy the iPhone because it's the flavour of the day, some buy it because it's the only phone their company will allow except for a Blackberry. I loved my blackberry (I wouldn't use any other phone for business), and I can understand the appeal of the iPhone for most people. I think it's not the most "Open Minded" approach to slam all users of a specific device for no other reaso09:31
yigalStskeeps: darn, yes, that was my feeling.  It's a real shame there is really no better device than the n8x0 for this right now09:31
crashanddie_yigal: pen and paper?09:32
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yigalcrashanddie_: yes, but to be able to do all one's notes on a computer you can organize them on, add to them etc. is revolutionary, pencil/paper is not as good09:33
crashanddie_As in, you can't organise papers?09:33
crashanddie_You can't add to paper copies?09:33
yigalcrashanddie_: you are creating strawmen or you haven't thought it through09:34
yigalhave all your notes on one machine09:34
crashanddie_Have all your notes in one folder?09:34
crashanddie_I guess it depends for everyone09:34
yigalhave them organized better than any paper/pencil method09:34
crashanddie_But I've never been beaten by a computer when I'm using pen and paper for taking down notes09:34
yigalof course because all the technology up until now stunk for this sort of thing09:35
yigalthe technology is almost here09:35
crashanddie_the keyword being "almost"09:35
yigalbut not quite09:35
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yigalyes, I will admit it09:36
crashanddie_tactile feedback: I can't press hard on a screen, because it's so silky, I don't feel how much distance I've covered09:36
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wazd_e63Moaning people09:36
yigalcrashanddie_: pressure sensitive resistive screens09:36
yigalit's tactile09:36
crashanddie_I can write blindly on paper, I can't do the same on a device. I can organise all my papers around me on a big desk, look at all of them in one go, stack them as I need to -- no software can emulate that09:37
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vilinyi just sketched a doddle on my n900 and i don't i would want to write stuff with it09:37
crashanddie_The human mind is a messy thing, viliny, have you seen the stacker talk on TED?09:38
vilinyi have not09:38
yigalcrashanddie_: I usually like TED09:38
yigalis it a new one09:38
crashanddie_no, old one09:38
vilinyhehe, fun thing09:39
yigalwell I'm almost sure what would work for me, and I'm gonna find a way to implement it, very soon. ty crashanddie for the critical feedback, need to sleep, night09:39
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crashanddie_wow, first time I've been thanked for my "critical feedback" when I was being a troll09:44
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Anss|viliny, your kung fu is strong :)09:49
vilinyhow so? :)09:49
Anss|You  were comparing phones and suddenly you draw your hidden weapon of choice which shuts up other totally09:51
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wazd_e63Oh crap, live wallpapers have lost russian n900 dev contest09:51
vilinyAnss|: oh yeah, that... yeah :D09:51
wazd_e63Fuck that09:51
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Stskeepswazd_e63: :(09:52
Stskeepswazd_e63: who won then?09:52
wazd_e63They have chosen fucking alarm clock09:52
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Stskeepswell, the alarm clock does suck..09:53
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vilinyanyone have any nice sites with good themes for the phone?09:53
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Macerguess i will find something useful for my n81009:58
Macermaybe a glorified mp3 player09:58
Maceri was going to stick it in my everyday car since my truck already has nav in it and use it for carman but i have a 1994 caprice that uses some oddball obd 1.5 crap09:59
Maceri just want my n900 to play with.. anybody here get a cloned sim from tmob?10:00
vilinya what?10:00
vilinyah nevermind10:00
Maceri still have a g110:00
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Macerfigured i would use that if i was going somewhere i didnt want to take my n90010:00
noobmonk3yviliny, not seen any theme sites, but there is a wallpapers one10:00
noobmonk3yask andrewfblack on tmo if you wanna know anything about themes :D10:01
vilinyyeah, im checking maemo talk at the moment10:01
noobmonk3yhe posts threads about themes, closes you will prob get :P10:01
viliny:) thanks noobmonk3y10:01
noobmonk3y:D :D10:02
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noobmonk3ymeh, gtttttttt tmo10:08
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JaffaMorning, all10:19
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noobmonk3yand meh.... work10:20
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Stskeepsmorning X-Fade10:35
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wazd_e63Rst38h, X-Fade: lo chaps :)10:40
wazd_e63Jaffa: heya10:40
threshanyone here uses foursquare?10:40
wazd_e63thresh: I'm too paranoid :D10:41
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wazd_e63Rst38h: can you beleive it, live wallpapers have lost n900 contest. The winner is fake (not working) ararm clock from the guy who already have n90010:43
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wazd_e63For god sake, when I'll learn to place has/have automaticaly...10:44
Stskeepsit's better than polish who continously forget the word 'the'10:44
Stskeepscorrecting a master's thesis in english was a nightmare10:45
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wazd_e63Stskeeps: hehe :)10:52
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* Jaffa 's flight today has just been cancelled.11:01
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noobmonk3yby the sounds of it, the only flight that made it out of glasgow today was a flight to iceland, ironic ;)11:02
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meceyou seen this:
wazd_e63Jaffa: damn11:05
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JaffaMore time in Stockholm.11:06
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fralsJaffa: at least its nice weather today11:06
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noobmonk3yfrals - not raining bacon sarnies? :)11:08
frals15 C and barely a cloud ;)11:08
Jaffafrals: beautiful11:08
jogawhy doesn't /etc/init.d/ssh stop not stop sshd?11:10
fluxhow do you determine that it doesn't?11:10
jogawith pgrep I see the process is there11:10
fluxwell, are you logged in?11:11
jogaalso if I kill it it spawns it again11:11
fluxoh, well11:11
fluxperhaps it's handled by upstart then11:11
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timelessanyone here know the person who works on extended call log?11:22
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noobmonk3ytimeless: Niqbal, but don't really know him -
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hrwyou know what? I think that extras* packages should have bugtracker link as link to bugtracker not just email11:48
Stskeepsthat discussion is kinda old though, originally email wasn't OK i think11:50
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mecepixelpipe pulled from iphone a while back. wtf?11:59
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Stskeepswalled gardens.. comparable to the paradise garden where god threw out adam and eve for not conforming to the rules :P12:01
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drzzmankind wasn't thrown out of Eden - they chose to live in such a way that they abandoned/destroyed it themselves12:03
KhertanHi !12:03
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drzzHey Khertan12:04
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vilinyi the dropbear ssh server the one the majority uses?12:25
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nid0use openssh12:27
wazd_e63Khertan: heya12:27
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vilinythanks nid012:30
vilinyanyone else have others calling you saying that the sound is very heavy on treble and echoes?12:30
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Khertanheya wackl12:32
Khertanheya wazd_e6312:32
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vilinysudo reboot now didn't quite work as i'd had imagined... left the phone in a weird state where i had to push the power button several times to get it back to life12:39
docksideshutdown -r now ?12:40
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noobmonk3yHey Khertan12:41
Khertanhi noobmonk3y12:41
vilinydockside: yeah im starting to wonder what it really was that i typed in :)12:42
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timeless_mbpnoobmonk3y: thanks12:50
noobmonk3ynp :D12:50
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timeless_mbphey, how do i find the bug tracker for an app, e.g. extended call log?12:53
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X-Fadetimeless_mbp: which points to:
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pupnik"how do i find" = ask X-Fade :)12:55
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timeless_mbppupnik: i use #maemo, it works :)12:56
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X-FadeAlternative is to go to Downloads and search for the app. Bugtracker link is there too.12:56
timeless_mbpthe problem is that as an n900 user, i don't see downloads in my normal workflow12:56
timeless_mbpsomeone needs to make an apt-manager that lets me see this stuff from my device :)12:57
X-Fadetimeless_mbp: That is what we are planning for appdownloader.12:57
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X-FadeIn fact it has a 'report a bug' button already.12:58
timeless_mbpcan i install that today?12:58
X-FadeAlthough I don't think the button works yet ;)12:59
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X-FadeAsk danielwilms ;)12:59
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danielwilmstimeless_mbp wait until the end of the week...but I can put as well a newer version into extras-devel a bit sooner...13:01
danielwilmstimeless_mbp the version, which is available there is pretty old13:01
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pupnikcool project danielwilms13:03
danielwilmspupnik thx :)13:03
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timeless_mbpi think my mbp's display *failed*13:06
pupnikoh dear13:06
pupnikdid you see danielwilms response timeless_mbp ?13:06
timeless_mbp2 lines, yes13:07
timeless_mbpdanielwilms: i'm 99% certain the [x] you're using at the top right is incorrectly positioned with the wrong size13:08
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timeless_mbpalso, 'loading' should be centered and Sentence caps'd :)13:08
timeless_mbpand you should use the theme's <-\ arrow, instead of your own < arrow :)13:08
timeless_mbpdanielwilms: is it possible for me to have appdownloader show me my _installed_ apps instead of available ones?13:09
danielwilmstimeless_mbp loading is a loading indicator now and no text anymore13:09
timeless_mbpappdownloader crashed :)13:10
danielwilmstimeless_mbp there bug was, when you went back and not all screenshots were loaded...that was bad, but it is fixed now :=13:11
timeless_mbpplease upload a better version :)13:11
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danielwilmswill do13:11
danielwilmsas I said ;)13:12
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danielwilmsthere is a reason, why it is not in testing yet ;)13:12
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danielwilmstimeless_mbp I will let you know, when there is the updated version13:21
timeless_mbpham should too ;-)13:21
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vblazquezhi! i'm trying to build a package, i followed the guide from and i built it succesfully but it only works with dpkg -i package.deb not under app manager, there's something special to do?13:23
amigadavevblazquez: lots of information at
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vblazquezamigadave: i did it!13:24
timeless_mbpok, it seems that my display just went into 'off so you can use just the external display', unplugging that got my display back....13:24
vblazquezi can install my package with dpkg but the app manager says that is not installabe13:25
amigadaveah ok, does it give any reasons? missing dependencies?13:25
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vblazquezin description, says package of application not compatible :S13:29
vblazquezi built it with scratchbox13:30
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timeless_mbpwrong arch?13:31
timeless_mbpdid you build for intel?13:31
vblazquezi did with armel13:31
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vblazquezi'm gonna try with intel13:31
vblazquezanyway, sounds weird, because i can install with dpkg -i , and it works fine13:32
timeless_mbpcan you pastebin debian/control ?13:33
timeless_mbpok, so arch isn't the right reason13:33
timeless_mbperr, did you use ham with 'install from file'13:34
timeless_mbpor did you create a repository?13:34
vblazquezinstall from file13:35
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* MohammadAG wonders why that usually fails13:35
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timeless_mbpit's probably in the wrong section13:36
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timeless_mbpsections should be user/* not foo13:36
MohammadAGhe beat me to it13:36
amigadavethat is covered in the wiki page :P13:36
vblazquezi'll try again13:36
ccookedrat it.13:36
vblazquezthanks! :)13:36
* ccooke can't find the note he took with the address to send his pre-release n900 back to...13:37
Stskeepsccooke: it's on talk.maemo.org13:37
ccookeStskeeps: it is? Damn, I must fail utterly at searching this morning :-)13:37
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MohammadAGccooke, I think they'll send you more than another letter if you don't find it :P13:39
vblazquezit works! thanks to all :)13:39
vilinyany fun shell scripts i could play with on my ssh connection to the phone?13:42
vilinycmatrix isn't there :)13:42
ccookeviliny: what do you want to do? ;-)13:42
vilinyjust see my phone do something :)13:43
Lumpio-Fork bomb13:43
MiXu-How do I take a screenshot in scratchbox?13:43
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vilinyfork bomb sounds bad :P13:45
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MohammadAGMiXu-, print screenshot?13:45
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ccookeviliny: it'll only kill your battery and cause you to have to reboot.13:48
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ccookeSo, basically, don't type this into the shell : ":(){ :|:&}" (deliberately unfinished) ;-)13:48
MiXu-MohammadAG: I'd prefer using the native screenshot mechanism instead13:48
MohammadAGcould be ctrl shit p13:49
MohammadAGnot sure though13:49
MiXu-I tried that but it does nothing13:49
MohammadAGMiXu-, ubuntu?13:50
ccooke(Of course, my loaner n900 has been dead for a bit due to usb port brokenness, but we've been using it via a battery charger :-)13:50
MiXu-MohammadAG: yes13:50
MohammadAGMiXu-, applications - accessories take screenshot13:50
MohammadAGit allows you to select window13:50
MohammadAG(without the border)13:51
MiXu-Oh, cool. That works13:51
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noobmonk3yMohammadAG: (Whilst on boring telecons - managed to get colours working on the tabs :| )13:55
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wazdand hello again14:23
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vilinyanyone have a handy current resistance calculator for finding out the right resistor to drop voltage to a certain level?14:24
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Kurppa_You could have typed that into google.14:26
vilinytrying hard :)14:26
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vanadismobileis there any tower defense for the n900?14:30
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noobmonk3y_workvanadismobile:  no but i would love one¬!14:36
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vanadismobilewell, then we have a new project14:37
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nid0fucking car dealers :@14:38
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hrwhow often do I have to reboot n900 to do not have lagggy phone?14:53
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lcukhrw i dont reboot phone - can you record a slice and let me look how laggy it gets before you give up and reboot14:54
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Disconnectlcuk: i just got it yesterday and i'll see what i can do to get you a vid tonight. gets to where even trying to lock it (hw lock) will sit there for a minute or more before a bunch of things happen..15:01
hrwlcuk: cant15:01
vilinyany way to toggle hideuseragent without having to uninstall it every time?15:02
Disconnectand i'd kill for a hardware desktop button, but maybe thats just my android roots showing ;)15:02
* noobmonk3y_work is coming to terms with no CSS for Qlistwidgets :| :| :|15:02
Disconnect(actually, no, its not, cuz my 770/n800 both have it too)15:02
hrwDisconnect: apt-get install shortcutd15:02
Disconnecthrw: saw that in the repo, haven't installed it yet. bbiab tho gotta go to work15:03
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MohammadAG_E72 updated15:04
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MohammadAG_noobmonk3y_work, you might be right after all15:04
* noobmonk3y_work right? neveeeeeer15:05
noobmonk3y_worki make a living out of proving myself wrong ;)15:05
MohammadAG_noobmonk3y_work, PR1. 215:05
* MohammadAG_ didn't want to ping most ppl on here so he added a space15:06
noobmonk3y_worklol tomorrow/thurs?15:06
MohammadAG_but, N86, 5800, E72, E66, they all got updated15:06
hrwMohammadAG_: but symbian is other part of nokia15:06
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MohammadAG_hrw, I'm just saying15:07
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MohammadAG_I never said they were both the same thing15:07
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hrwMohammadAG_: any changelog for e66?15:08
hrwMohammadAG_: mine here runs 210 FW still15:08
MohammadAG_410 is the latest afaik15:08
MohammadAG_still got to update my dad's E6615:08
hrwMohammadAG_: I would have to change product code15:08
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MohammadAG_hrw, changed it here15:08
hrwMohammadAG_: and I do not remember when last time I used e6615:09
hrwprobably need to sell it15:09
* MohammadAG_ adds e71 and e63 to the above list15:09
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hrwMohammadAG_: e63 is stripped down e71 ;D15:09
Surfae71 410 series fw is btw pretty good15:09
Surfait fixes most of my problems15:10
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andrewfblackwhats the command for screenshot Ctrl I or Ctrl P?15:19
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andrewfblackhrw: thanks forgot the shift part no wonder it wouldn't work.  I forgot you have to break your hand to do them15:20
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vilinyany chromium users here?15:23
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noobmonk3y_workviliny: i think none alive ;)15:29
* noobmonk3y_work prods MohammadAG - which username are you using?15:29
vilinyany idea if it supports html5 youtube?15:29
FlavioFerreiraBRsomeone have been used QMaemo5valuebutton ?15:29
kamui_its slow as a sack15:29
* ccooke wonders if there will be a summit this year... and, if there is one, what it will be about :-)15:29
noobmonk3y_worksorry FlavioFerreiraBR  never used it15:29
* noobmonk3y_work has gone for foooooooood15:30
vilinykamui_:  yes, i noticed :/ and the scrollbar is a b#"¤ to use15:30
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FlavioFerreiraBRi am using. But i want change the color of layouttext15:31
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ccooke(ah, I see there is a meego summit/conference. yay)15:32
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Khertanoh ... seems i'm not the only one to do his own repository for fremantle15:32
kamui_viliny: you can use the chrome touch plugin15:33
kamui_makes life with the browser a lot easier15:33
kamui_as long as you aren't trying to look at flash content chrome isn't too bad15:33
MohammadAG_* noobmonk3y_work prods MohammadAG  - which username are you using?15:33
MohammadAG_oh nvm15:33
kamui_but honestly, nothing doing compared to the MicroB, especially when the N900 is overclocked15:33
MohammadAG_is there something similar to sudoers on Ubuntu?15:34
lcukoooo my laser cut stands have arrived15:34
ccookelcuk: nice?15:34
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lcukthe stylus sits on the front very much like a samurai sword :D15:35
ccookesounds more like a display case than a useful one, then ;-)15:35
lcukthe 900 is ontop :p15:35
lcukits same job as my cig packet anyway15:36
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lcukcharles are you coming to meego conf too then?15:37
lcukerrr ccooke ^15:37
vilinykamui_: is HTML5 video coming to microb?15:38
ccookelcuk: If I can, I will (and hey, charles *is* my name. I just don't use it if I can help it ;-)15:38
vilinyanyone here running n900 at 1ghz?15:40
ccookeI may not actually have time to do any of the dev work I want to anytime soon, but...15:40
lcukdid you ever get motivated for your scriptable system doofer15:40
lcukthen no lol15:40
ccookelcuk: started, got snowed under at work.15:40
ccookeI'm trying to claw back to something more reasonable now, but I had a period of working until eleven a day or two per week...15:41
lcukccooke, yeah we all get sidetracked15:41
* lcuk knows that feeling15:41
lcukhope you find your balance15:41
ccookeCheers. I have about three things I really want to get *right*... and no time to do them :-)15:41
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ccooke(Offline google reader client, location prediction and the tool you mentioned (although that, at least, it looks like some people were implementing similar things to)15:43
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ccookeThe one I really want to play with is location prediction. I might end up writing a backend library for that and seeing if people are interested - I'm a *hell* of a lot more likely to find the time if I don't have to worry about UI15:43
lcuk"you are on mars, please do a u-turn and head back to earth"15:44
ccookenah. Try this:15:44
ccookesample your location every N minutes.15:44
ccookefeed that into a database.15:45
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hrwwhat I would like to see is someone who will rewrite tweaks/profilesx/powatool/tracker-cfg into control panel applets15:45
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ccookehave some code that calculates the stable points you tend to stay close to - For instance, it'd quickly pick up your house, your workplace. In a week or two, it would pick up a coffee shop you go to a lot. Carry on with that.15:46
ccookeThen, apply intelligence to it.15:46
ccookeIf it knows where you are now and the rough direction you're travelling, it can predict where you're probably going *to*15:47
Khertanhum ... and what will be the purpose ?15:47
ccookefeed into that schedules - so if you always go to the pub on a tuesday, that's probably where you're going.15:47
Khertando not use too much the gps ?15:47
ccookeThen provide a plugin interface to this information.15:48
hrwKhertan: location does not have to mean gps only15:48
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Khertanhrw, yes of course15:48
Khertanbut currently i didn't see a real purpose15:48
ccookeFor a sample app... Work out the probably destination. Query public transport times and live status information. Display that on a home-style screen, with sounded alerts and popups if there are problems.15:48
Khertanah ... yes15:49
Khertannow i see15:49
lcuki would like gps that doesnt make me drive on the grass at the side of the road15:49
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ccookeend result: I start walking towards the tube station and my phone says "Hey, that line's delayed. Your best route home now is *other direction*"15:49
lcuk"you are going through a barn, pull up, pull up"15:49
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lcukthat would be incredibly tricky ccooke15:50
Khertanccooke, ok now i can see a reall usefull application15:50
ccookelcuk: bad idea. Barns often have doors on either side, but they *always* have a roof...15:50
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hrwas this is tuesday so you are going to the pub. but it is closed - go visit your lover because she have some free time and her period ended 3 days ago15:50
ccookelcuk: I did some simulations. It is actually doable.15:50
lcukhrw o_O maegirls integration15:51
ccookehrw: that would require more plugins, but basically yes :-)15:51
lcuki like it15:51
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hrwccooke: add front camera face recognition to not show that messages for wife15:51
ccookehrw: *you* can do that ;-)15:51
ccookeas I said - I think I'm much more likkely to finish this if I don't attempt a UI15:52
ccookebut a dbus server... oh, yes.15:52
hrwccooke: front camera quality is famous - I have a problems with recognising faces on it15:52
mikki-kunhm, sounds interesting15:52
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ccookeyeah, it's a little... ropey.15:52
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vilinyhow can i test the front camera?15:53
hrwviliny: mirror app15:53
ccooke(The best thing about writing servers? you don't care much if the hardware changes and display UI stuff is entirely replaced...)15:53
vilinycamera app only lets me use the one on the back15:53
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vilinyty hrw15:53
nid0or healthcheck15:53
vilinyare skype video calls scifi for the n900?15:54
ccookeOf course, it'll probably take me another month or so to get that working, but... if I fin the time to make that server work, would anyone find it interesting?15:54
mikki-kunor a simple short "mplayer -tv://$PARM" in the CLI will do the job as well (if mplayer is installed)15:54
fralssaw something on the forums it might be in pr1.215:54
ccooke(I can do a web-based UI for it as long as it doesn't need to be pretty ;-)15:54
fralsregarding video calls, i might be wrong thou15:54
vilinyok, thank you frals15:54
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mikki-kunif mplayer is installed "mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0" should do the job on the n900 for frontcamera-view15:55
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LynoureI just realized how wonder it would be if I could configure the maemo UI button/combobox size (S-M-L) according to my finger size15:57
LynoureThe current one seems to be made to fit the fattest fingers possible :)15:57
vilinymaybe you could make a dynamic one that gathers data from a bluetooth heart rate monitor and logs it and makes calculations based on that and your inputted initial weight and height and is able to scale the button according to your current physique ;)15:58
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mikki-kunwhy bluetooth heart rate monitor?15:59
SpeedEvilviliny: I want to do that15:59
SpeedEvilmikki-kun: because they are available, and you can talk to it on hte phone15:59
lcukccooke, your idea has serious potential but the logistics of it would be enormous, for a worldwide audience the server power required would be immense15:59
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ccookelcuk: Nothing serverside :-)16:00
ccookebah, now I'm feeling there's a challenge. I shall have to make the time to build a demo to prove it's viable...16:00
mikki-kunhm... i've not seen those around16:00
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Lynoureviliny: I don't think there is that much correlation between fitness and finger size :)16:01
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vilinyLynoure: Yeah it was a joke but i bet i ruined someones evening with it :)16:01
Lynoureviliny: or made their day in form of a happy coding flow :)16:02
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vilinywell i guess a software tester somewhere is going to be very fit (or very unfit) soon :P16:02
viliny"Part 1 - We opened a tab for you at KFC - GO!"16:03
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LynoureI think currently all the buttons about about twice the height I'd need them to be. Could poke them with my nose.16:04
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mikki-kun"how d'ya use your phone?" 'with my nose'16:05
vilinyi prefer using the stylus all the time16:06
SpeedEvilI do use my nose occasionally16:06
LynoureWell, my problem actually is that I'd need a dropdown/combobox in the UI16:06
SpeedEvilwhen I'm in bed.16:06
vilinyi _hate_ fingerprints16:06
SpeedEvilno fingerprints if you use your nose.16:06
Lynoureand it takes so much of the limited space16:06
vilinySpeedEvil: other hand occupied eh? ;)16:06
LynoureI guess there is no way to get one into the menu section with Qt16:07
LynoureSo then I need a dialog, blah.16:07
SpeedEvilviliny: lying on one side, reading ebook.16:07
vilinywould be a new low for me to go around using my phone with my face here at work16:09
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Lynoure(or, well, a value button)16:10
LynoureAny ideas?16:10
vilinydoes the maemo talk mod section offer any help?16:11
Lynoureviliny: the what?16:13
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LynoureI found but no mod category.. so I think that's something else.16:15
Disconnectlcuk: seems like firefox is -really- good at destroying performance16:16
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lcukDisconnect, is firefox in extras?16:17
Disconnectlcuk: worse. lemme find the link real quick16:17
lcuknot my problem - file a bug with them16:17
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gouverneurlcuk: at ovi16:18
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* lcuk .16:18
TigerTaelHow do I erase the emmc?16:18
Disconnectit was under the recommended apps on the first launch of ovi..16:19
TigerTaelOr rather, how do I restore emmc to default?16:19
lcukTigerTael, there is an emmc image to completely vape it16:19
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TigerTaellcuk, do you perhaps have a link for me?16:19
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lcukno, but google should16:19
TigerTaelOkay thanks16:19
infobotrumour has it, flashing is
Disconnectstill is in fact :) (select n900) its the very very first app recommended.16:19
lcukon there TigerTael16:20
gouverneurfor what reason?16:20
Disconnectlcuk: but before i get an incorrect impression, is it the 'maemo way' that an app can trash the rest of the system and its not a system bug? (not being antagonistic, just asking. my assumption would be "no, the scheduler/swapper/etc should handle that or kill the app")16:20
gouverneurDisconnect: would expect last but first happens16:21
lcukDisconnect, file a proper bug about it and the right people can see/comment on it16:21
Disconnectlcuk: will do, i'll get the vid tonight. just wanted to save time if it was gonna get closed as "3rd party app, too bad, so sorry" :)16:22
lcukits very likely you can install an app that can bork your system and if firefox is hungry and wants to consume everything then its oging to16:22
lcukDisconnect, it very possibly may still get closed in that way in which case you take it to mozilla themselves?16:23
Disconnectthe stalling and such is annoying, but the biggest peeve i've got so far is that none of the browsers reflow properly when zooming. i'm hopeful there is already a bug..16:23
* noobmonk3y_work is back :D16:23
vilinynoobmonk3y_work: you made healthcheck?16:23
TigerTaellcuk, found it thanks.16:23
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noobmonk3y_workhi viliny - yup - still a work inprogress hehe16:23
Disconnectlcuk: sure, but at the end of the day this is a consumer device billed as a hard-core multitasker. if a single app can destroy performance, thats a tuning/system bug in my eyes...16:23
vilinyah i see - well really nice app - thanks man :)16:23
TigerTaelRX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin <=- Apparently this is still the latest.16:24
noobmonk3y_workawwww, great to hear - thank you very much! :D :D allways appreciate any feedback :D16:24
noobmonk3y_worklatest updat epic -> - as i said, work in progress with CSS :D16:25
noobmonk3y_workupdate pic*16:25
TigerTaellcuk, do I just flash it as a fiasco image?16:26
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crashanddieDisconnect: then you'd be wrong16:27
Disconnectlcuk: google-fu is failing me and the maemo bugtracker only seems to track garage projects (or at least, 'browser' 'microb' 'maemo browser' etc aren't listed as projects to view bug reports on)16:27
crashanddieDisconnect: any app can destroy performance, multi-tasking simply means that multiple apps have the ability to run at the same time, not that *any* app can run at the same time.16:27
TigerTaellcuk, nvm, just read now.16:27
crashanddieDisconnect: that would be like expecting you can run any app at the same time on your desktop -- the limits may be higher, but they're still there16:28
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Disconnectcrashanddie: er, welcome to consumer electronics. thats one of the (only) things android manages really well - apps are mostly prevented from destroying performance, and if an app figures out how to do it its a bug in the system. (now, thats not to say it doesn't happen on occasion. and battery use is a separate issue. but its an actual goal..)16:29
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Disconnectcrashanddie: the trick is, this isn't being sold as a desktop. its being sold as a phone.16:29
crashanddieno, it's being sold as a mobile computer16:29
crashanddieget your facts right16:29
Disconnectlcuk: nm btw, advanced search has it :)16:29
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Disconnectcrashanddie: the ability to open one app and drag the system to a grinding halt (where even the hw lock button takes 20-45 seconds to work) is not a feature. no matter how much you try to make it one.16:31
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lcukDisconnect, i can run apps on windows which bring everything to a halt16:32
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lcuk1 app is all it takes16:32
lcukor i can run 50 coorerative moderate apps16:32
Disconnectlcuk: ok seriously, you're going to put windows up as the epitome of operating systems with a straight face?16:32
Disconnectalso, in win7, that is way more difficult to do..16:33
lcuksame goes for maemo16:33
SpeedEvilAnd yes - app cpu and RAM quotas would be good16:33
SpeedEvilram is trivial16:33
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Disconnectulimit ftw..16:33
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SpeedEvilulimit does not limit ongoing CPU usage16:33
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SpeedEvilyou can't ulimit a process to 10% of the CPU16:34
Disconnectfor that matter, linux has a free-up-memory signal. "hey look. we're swapping. lets tag background apps and processes to free memory." .. "ok we're still swapping. tag the foreground app to free memory"16:34
Disconnectsome of the embedded cpu schedulers have interesting ideas in that way. for that matter, so do the desktop ones. (did ck's scheduler get picked up after he quit?)16:34
SpeedEvilIs there a way to say 'yes, I want to lock the CPU to this speed, I have a good reason'16:35
lcukDisconnect, there might be a signal16:35
SpeedEvilI did echo 600000 >/sys/whatever - and it works at 250, and at 500, but not 550, or 60016:35
lcukbut if apps dont listen16:35
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Disconnectlcuk: sure, but most memory hungry apps do. firefox specifically, which is the one at issue here.16:36
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the_lordI'm having kind of an issue here16:38
gouverneurthe_lord: hi16:38
gouverneurthe_lord: good to here16:38
the_lordI have my n900 configured with a SIP client of my office16:38
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gouverneurthe_lord: cool16:38
the_lordis there a way to make the phone dial a prefix for calls that go through SIP ?16:39
the_lordI have to dial 9 to go outside16:39
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gouverneurthe_lord: nope16:39
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lcukDisconnect, you will have to clarify better about what brought it to a halt - were you opening several hundred tabs with flash in each etc or was this just opening and reasonable usage16:39
Disconnectmetabug - maemo bugtracker password recovery says "If you have an account, but have forgotten your password, enter your login name below".. that then becomes "The e-mail address you entered (disconnect) didn't pass our syntax checking"... maybe it should say email at the front, if thats what it wants..16:39
gouverneurthe_lord: you can setup a sip number at your contacts with a 916:39
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the_lordgouverneur, manually, of course16:40
gouverneurthe_lord: sure ,)16:40
the_lordgouverneur, It would be nice to have that option16:40
Disconnectlcuk: one tab, viewing the mobile ff knowledgebase. weave sync enabled (high remote-computer tabcount but none opened locally) and only 2 other extensions (adblock, noscript)16:40
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* lcuk used to bring laptop down by viewing slashdot :D16:41
* frals flashes lcuk16:41
lcukdoes it give you the "app is not responding, close" message16:41
Disconnectthis evening when i sit down to gather info i'll look at cpu/ram usage and see whats going on. overall its sluggish (even compared to a g1, which is hard to do :) ..) and that seems to be an easily-reproducable issue16:41
gouverneurthe_lord: there are many things that would be nice but as long as we are looking at closed source...16:41
lcukDisconnect, then give reproducable info in a bug report and let people do something16:41
Disconnectnope. hit window-list, it (usually) comes up, then sits. hit the lock button, nothing. at this point i generally hit the button a couple more times, then move on adn revisit it later to make sure it locked16:42
fralsso i got mail with a errorlog today.. empty mail, empty subject, from name was set to "vodafone" and attached the log and 2 images and nothing else16:42
Disconnectlcuk: planning on it. been saying that from the beginning.16:42
Stskeepsfrals: someone sent it by mms?16:42
Disconnecti'm just not gonna spend 45 minutes getting logs, stats, videos, etc and then have it closed as a firefox bug. (so part of my during-the-day task is to make it happen with other apps. think its doable, just not as dramatic)16:43
the_lordgouverneur, yeah, of course we could write a new SIP client :P16:43
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lcukDisconnect, first thing you should do is see if there is already a performance bug for firefox16:46
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gouverneurthe_lord: just file a bug! shouldn't be that a problem to put a prefix in the sipclient advanced settings16:51
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petteriI am porting X11 application to maemo. Fullscreen does not work. Any tips on how to start understan the problem or fix it :)16:54
the_lordgouverneur, I'm on it16:55
gouverneurpost here bugXXXX so we can vote for it16:55
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Disconnectlcuk: will do.16:57
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* Jaffa has a trip home! Woot!16:58
JaffaIt does involve a hire car, and driving from Stockholm to London16:58
JaffaOver night.16:58
X-FadeJaffa: Most airspace is open again ;)16:59
JaffaX-Fade: Not in the UK16:59
X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, well chunnel ;)16:59
JaffaX-Fade: Ferry, Dunkerque -> Dover. But still got to get there :)16:59
achipaJaffa: for speedy gonzales every route is a shortcut !17:00
StskeepsJaffa: that desperate to get home to your joggler? ;)17:01
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bullet`hello room17:06
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KhertanHost kernel has vdso support (which is uncompatible with SB)17:09
KhertanYou can fix this with either:17:09
Khertan  echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled17:09
Khertanwhy :!!!. .§?.§.§/. §/?/. ?/.§! !!!!17:09
Stskeepsbecause life isn't fair17:09
Khertanyep clearly ...17:10
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Khertando not upgrade to 10.04 :)17:10
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wazd <- what do yall think?17:12
Stskeepsthe icons look a little weird in the way they're resized but cool17:13
Stskeepspetrovich one is nice17:14
noobmonk3y_workgreat work wazd !!17:14
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X-Fadewazd: Cool :)17:15
noobmonk3y_workpetrovich one needs to be bigger i'd say - tis a bit squishy17:15
noobmonk3y_workTron needs a tron car :D17:15
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noobmonk3y_worklove the RSS one!17:15
TomaszDwazd, black extras decoders will be almost invisible on black background :(17:15
noobmonk3y_workRootsh - lol - nice17:15
TomaszDand it doesn't say anything about audio decoders17:16
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JaffaStskeeps: yup17:17
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Jaffaachipa: You've seen my driving then :-)17:17
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fralsJaffa: at least you got to experience the swedish spring... Sun/rain/hail and snow, all in the same day!17:20
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Jaffafrals: :-)17:24
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godrikhow can we change the cefault pdf reader on the n810 ?17:28
godriki downloaded epdfview and evince17:28
Stskeepsthere's a dbus switchboard thing17:29
godrikis that a separate application ?17:29
godrikok i'll have a look at that17:29
godrikthank you17:30
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Timboi don't seem to be able to get the swipe left or right gestures to work17:44
Timboany tips?17:44
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oscillikwhere are you starting the swipe?17:46
godrikStskeeps: got it. thanks17:46
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Timbooscillik: the black bit at the side of the screen17:47
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oscillikhmm that should definitely work :-/17:48
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Timboodd, seems it just doesn't work on some sites17:53
oscillikworks on everything for me17:54
* oscillik shrugs17:54
Timbonow it works17:55
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* noobmonk3y_work warns everyone away from the t.m.o land.... looks like frals is a trolling ;)17:56
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fralsomg who let that bastard on tmo again!17:57
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inkbottlehi, i really can't go through the issue described there:
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inkbottleI don't understand the "dns does not answer" because "ping" works18:28
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inkbottleif i replace by i doesn't work better18:33
inkbottlemore this one perhaps:
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lcukinkbottle, try disabling additional repositories18:36
lcukand find out which one causes you pain18:36
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* frals awards lcuk "problem solver of the month award"18:37
* lcuk hits frals on the head with a shovel18:38
lcukoh sorry, i meant "/me shakes frals hand"18:38
fralsthink i need a proper beating to get started on the input validation in my new dialogs18:38
lcuki always get those letters mixed up18:38
ccookelcuk: it's odd how easy it is to make typos like that18:38
fralswhy cant users just understand what they are suppose to put in :<18:38
lcukbecause users never will18:39
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lcukinput validation and logicalflows are high priority18:39
lcukin old job, a lot of our users had never used a computer, let alone a complex app18:39
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fralsand being the architect/designer/tester/coder of the application its easy to miss what 'normal' users are going to do18:40
fralsotoh i actually had ONE post in the fmms thread who said everything was perfectly logical and super easy to setup18:41
fralsi should print that and frame18:41
inkbottlelcuk, i only have the repos here by default; and it is tat is th issue18:41
inkbottlei changed dns to google's one, no help18:42
lcukwell is it the dns - since everything else seems to find it and work18:42
X-Fadeinkbottle: Where are you in the world?18:43
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inkbottlebut i can ping the address18:43
X-FadeHmm no, there should not be any export control for France :)18:44
inkbottlefrom the n900; only with apt-get (or update apps), i have the issue18:44
inkbottlebut it's been described many times18:45
inkbottlei use wifi18:46
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fralsam i imagining things or wasnt there a thread on maemo-dev about download stats from -devel and -testing?18:47
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X-Fadefrals: Was about stats in general.18:48
X-Fadefrals: Everything is added up in the stats btw.18:48
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fralsX-Fade: is it possible to get the stats for something in -devel? or would I need the page added on /downloads/ to get them?18:48
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X-Fadefrals: Pssst ->
fralsX-Fade: cheers :)18:50
inkbottlethe bug is there:
povbotBug 7665: App Manager cannot update official Nokia repos through wi-fi/wlan connection18:51
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fralsX-Fade: hate to be a PITA, but is there a way to get total# as well? :)18:51
X-Fadefrals: Yes, view source and add everything up :)18:51
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fralsAlright, thank you :)18:52
lcukcount the pixels18:52
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inkbottlei'll come back later18:54
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frals126532 \o/18:57
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SpeedEvilSo we now have a hard minimum number on sales I guess. :)18:59
SpeedEvil(assuming people are not insane and downloading multiple times.19:00
SpeedEvilAwesome frals.19:00
fralswell theres been a million versions etc, so actuall user count is probably way below19:00
SpeedEvilI now have fmms installed, in the unlikely event of me needing to send or recieve mms19:00
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fralsSpeedEvil: let me know if you experience any mysterious battery drain from having it installed please :)19:01
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slonopotamusso... who is on duty today?19:01
fralssince I have it installed on both my phones all the time due to testing I can't really compare it battery performance without having it installed :D19:01
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lcukSpeedEvil, spread your phone number here and im sure people will send you test messages lol19:03
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fralsfuck sake why can exchange filter incoming mail serverside on senders email but not on recipients email?19:08
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gouverneurcause it guesses you are using the one and only windows live account that is needed in the world19:09
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oscilliki'm switching from O2 to giffgaff19:10
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gouverneurits like win98 telling everyone in the network that it is to be master-server19:10
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Mac87i am new with my n900 ... is there a website to learn xterminal codes??19:11
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SWFu_MAC87, plenty, google Linux commands19:13
petterin900 includes busybox, you can find default commands here: . Just scroll down a little19:14
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Mac87thank  you19:14
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gouverneurpetteri: that is nothing like a help for n00bs!19:18
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petterisorry about that :)19:22
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petterihow does one find the source for this: . apt-get source tecnoballz returns nothing. I would like to see if it is possible to add accelator support19:23
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petterithe maemo source, from that package is compiled19:23
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nikki93Any n900 users here? I'm into Linux and software programming and stuff - my dad wants to buy a phone - I was suggesting the n900.19:40
Stskeepsi think there's quite a lot of n900 users here ;)19:40
threshpoint me one !19:40
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nikki93so is it cool?19:41
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nikki93n900, I mean.19:41
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greenflyis your dad into Linux and software programming?19:42
greenflyand does he want a pocket tablet computer or does he want a phone?19:42
Stskeepsyes, it's cool - but does he want to buy it for you or for him?19:43
pupnikif dad doesnt care, get the n90019:43
greenflythe n900 is very cool for the right person19:43
pupnikmaybe dad will think it is interesting but get tired of it and give it to son19:44
greenflybut if your dad mostly makes calls, MMS and SMS, updates twitter and facebook, and checks his email, he may want a smartphone19:44
greenflyif the ability to easily fire up a terminal and get root would appeal to him, get a n90019:44
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greenflyand if phone calls are a nice feature to him, but the main thing is always-on internet19:45
greenflyif he would like to use it for driving directions, don't get a n900*19:45
greenfly* unless he lives in europe and is willing to pay extra for a third-party gps app19:46
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Stskeepssygic's neat though19:46
sECuREgreenfly: which app would that be?19:47
greenflysECuRE: sygic19:47
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greenflyseems like there are two kinds of n900 owners19:47
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greenflythose who want to use it like a smartphone and those who want to use it like a computer19:47
greenflythe ones who approach it like a phone seem to get disappointed and the ones who approach it like a computer seem to really like it19:48
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javispedroah. a gtk-qt war!19:49
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brikI approached it like a phone and keep getting surprised over how wonderful it is! ;P19:49
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greenflybrik: heh, well cool :)19:50
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Stskeepsthe screen is actually transparent cocaine19:50
brikomnomnom n90019:51
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andrewfblackIf you can't beat them join them
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javispedrohey andrewfblack, sounds like a good plan.19:53
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opdf2anyone order from How long usually to ship to midwest USA?19:56
opdf2all that volcanic ash cant be good too19:57
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nikki93pupnik: well actually it's for my mom. I already have an iPhone (dad got it for free from company as gift) - I'm planning on giving it to her. She said if she gets an n900 she'll give it to me - anything is fine19:58
nikki93greenfly: Nice. I'm thinking of approaching it like it's a computer.19:59
pupniksounds perfect.  ifone for mom and n90p for you19:59
nikki93You can see my website here - I make computer games in my free time -
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nikki93Programming in free time during high school is so awesome. I moreso love open source and Linux etc. After I started using Linux in August 2008 my productivity rose real fast. I could choose how my computer worked - it was all up to me.20:00
nikki93I use a tiling window manager and stuff - this is soo cool. I'd love something like that on a portable device - that freedom. The iPhone just seems to costrainting.20:01
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nikki93Also I was reading the Linux kernel source and stuff and it's pretty well written. I learnt a lot of C that way. ^_^20:01
Stskeepssounds like a good device for you then20:02
pupnikyou are in more control, if you want to be20:02
nikki93When I use a device and I know that there's a community out there making stuff simply because it's fun, it's so much fun.20:02
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MohammadAGhow do I run a dbus command from python?20:11
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javispedroaha, slashdot is now going through the same overclocking stuff we went through a few weeks ago20:15
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javispedroagain the "manufacturers are evil" vs "manufacturers are smart" arguments20:17
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Shapeshiftertwo questions: where are the radio stations kept that ship with the n900 (I want to delete them all at once) and is there an equalizer for alsa/pulse? the bass is seriously too strong imo.20:18
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SpeedEvilHas anyone else had - when coming from lock - the camera pop up when opened a dialog asking for internets without actually taking pictures or showing preview?20:26
SpeedEvilI have geotagging enabled, which is presumbaly why it was doing this - however I actually had GPS on and was logging in another app20:26
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SpeedEvil(so it diddn't need a connection)20:27
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tim_hello i need help20:30
tim_installing debian20:30
prontotim_: check out the easy-debain chroot20:30
tim_when it extracts it comes up with an error20:31
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tim_chroot needs debian-m5-v3b.img.ext2.lzma20:33
tim_but installing it comes up with an error20:33
SpeedEvilIs it 'Insufficient duct tape?'20:34
SpeedEvilOr perhaps a missing eggplant error.20:34
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tim_anyone got a download link of debian which isnt a beta version20:37
Shapeshifter>.>20:37 have one I think20:37
tim_for maemo20:38
javispedrowe at least now know that there was indeed sufficient duct tape.20:38
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MohammadAGtim_, easy debian20:38
tim_download link please!20:38
MohammadAGit's in the repos...20:38
tim_theres easy chroot and easy debian20:39
tim_but it errors while i install it20:39
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tim_it downloads fine but extracting it makes it come up with an error20:40
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javispedroand the error message is?20:40
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tim_well if someone wanted to know someone could of said before when i had it up20:41
microlithimpressive, the media player has completely given up reading song info20:41
Disconnecttim_: er, just a thought, but "this is broken, give me free help" is -always- going to lead to "how is it broken? be specific."20:42
microlithI wonder if nokia is keeping the media player closed not because it's a "value add" but because it's horrible and embarrasing20:43
javispedromicrolith: you have doubts?20:43
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* MohammadAG wonders if that was a troll20:43
javispedroand we still don't know what his error message was.20:43
javispedroMohammadAG: you missed half of the conversation, check the logs.20:43
javispedrobut still bash-candidate.20:44
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* microlith wonders why the widget forgets info when transitioning away from the desktop20:44
microlithoh nice, it says "no songs"20:44
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MohammadAGtim_but installing it comes up with an error20:45
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microlithwell, the media player has just failed completely20:45
MohammadAG^ (faceplam, for those who don't know)20:46
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SpeedEvil' Nokia has announced its second PUSH N900  developer contest meant for developers to push themselves creatively by  figuring out creative uses and hacks for... Go  to Nokia Now' - as part of 'hypothetical' text for a new nokia website I've been asked to fill in a survey on.20:46
GordonShey - anyone know whether it makes sense to want to build Qt (4.7) against libicd2 if you're not running Maemo... and if so, where the @*#@%! you find the source for it??20:46
GordonSI'm doing some development on Qt itself20:46
GordonS(and I hope to be getting a N900 soonish...)20:47
javispedroah, for the n900, doth.20:47
GordonSwell, not for the N900 yet...20:47
StskeepsGordonS: what are you planning to do?20:47
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GordonSthis is a desktop build I am working on presently20:47
GordonSwell... my goal at the moment is "build Qt with as much functionality as possible enabled" - I already submitted a patch today against OpenVG, since it didn't build against ShuvaVG anymore20:48
GordonSer, Shiva20:48
javispedroicd2 is a propietary network manager -- most probably you don't want it for your desktop build.20:49
GordonSfor my own future reference, though... since I do/have done work in Qt/E...20:49
StskeepsGordonS: .. why?20:49
GordonSum... because they say that it should work :)20:49
Stskeepsok, if you build against icd you normally want to make a network plugin20:50
MohammadAGTypeError: _tmo_homepage() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) <-- any ideas?20:50
GordonSdid you mean "why" to ICD or to OpenVG?20:50
MohammadAGdef _tmo_homepage(self):20:50
MohammadAGos.popen('dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request string:""')20:50
StskeepsGordonS: icd20:50
GordonSwell, I am willing to believe that I do not want it for a desktop build...20:51
fralsMohammadAG: how do you call it?20:51
MohammadAGfrals, through the gtk.menu_bar20:51
GordonSI do/have done a fair bit of Qt/E work as well; should it come up again, where would I find its source?  I have only managed to find binaries so far.20:51
fralsMohammadAG: need to make the function take 2 arguments since i assume its connected to a signal20:51
fralswhich also passes the widget which was activated20:51
MohammadAGmind if I switch to PM?20:51
fralsas in, go ahead20:52
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* microlith tries to re-init the music database, but is having no luck21:07
javispedrotracker-processes -r21:07
microlithdid that21:07
microlithoh wait21:07
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TigerTaelI have a problem with Conversations. I just flashed PR1.1.1 and then the emmc and now Conversations doesn't have kinetic scrolling anymore. Only the traditional scroll bar.21:10
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MohammadAGhey johnsq21:12
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mayfairmanHi all, is anyone able to help me out with a problem I have with irreco for N900?21:20
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MohammadAGmayfairman, what's the problem?21:21
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trumeeany idea when i do [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > start, i get /usr/bin/ line 2: qemu:: command not found21:21
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opdf2hmm did everyone get a charge adapter and cleaning cloth with their n900? I ordered from Dell small business and did not21:23
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ToJa92[opdf2]: I got it :)21:23
ToJa92you cant use the charge adapter though, and I've never used the cleaning cloth21:23
opdf2hmm, i guess my box didnt include those things21:24
RST38hHmm, does not work any more. I guess people no longer believe PR1.2 will ever arrive =)21:24
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mayfairmanMohammadAG: I had it all working fine and dandy, but tried to download a duff SKYHD remote and all my remotes disappeared from the command chain window, and the remotes that did work no longered. Probably a bit impatiant, I removed and re-installed irreco, but it still had the old remote configs in the back end, so , perhaps incorrectly, I deleted the lircd,conf and hardware,conf from /etc/lircd/ and did a clean install of everything. However, the21:26
SceltRST38h: YEAH21:26
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ToJa92[RST38h]: I'm patiently waiting instead of listening to someone in a IRC-channel :P21:26
microlithok, -now- the tracker daemon is ticking21:27
MohammadAGtrumee, UI doesn't run in ARMEL21:27
valdynmayfairman: you got cut off21:27
trumeeMohammadAG: ah!21:27
fralslol RST38h21:27
mayfairmanvaldyn: what do you mean, my message gut trimmed?21:28
valdynmayfairman: yes, repeat after "However"21:28
trumeeMohammadAG: i just built mythtv in scratchbox under ARMEL, guess there is no way to test whether it works.21:28
MohammadAGmayfairman, try removing /home/user/.irreco21:28
mayfairmanHowever, the new install does not now seem to be creating these files and im getting a 'cannot open socket' error. I am unable to start the service using /etc/init.d/lirc start as says LIRC is not configured.21:28
MohammadAGtrumee, build it under X86, test, then rebuild for ARMEL to rest on a device :)21:28
valdynmayfairman: i don't think maemo dpkg treats config file different than debian21:29
valdynmayfairman: so "/j #debian" and "/msg dpkg confmiss"21:29
mayfairmanshall I just chuck a vanilla version of the 2 conf files in there and see if it starts?21:29
trumeeMohammadAG: problem is that i had to build qt from source since maemo doesnt have qt3support libraries in qt-4.6.221:29
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valdynmayfairman: you could do that, but you may still want to chat with dpkg to understand this21:29
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mayfairmanvaldyn: OK thanks a lot :)21:30
MohammadAGtrumee, try to test them on the device itself21:30
trumeeMohammadAG: you mean copy the /opt/qt from scratchbox into the device?21:31
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valdynabout time someone did a "apt-get --restore-default-conf", i guess21:31
woglinde_next round with kexec21:31
MohammadAGtrumee, make it into a .deb package, it would be easier to reverse the changes if something happens21:31
trumeeMohammadAG:  can i simply copy the built folders /opt/qt and /opt/mythtv to N900.21:31
MohammadAGnot really sure21:31
trumeeMohammadAG: hmm. dont know how to create deb packages :(21:32
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MohammadAGtrumee, can you do a make install?21:32
woglinde_trumee lol qt is already there21:32
trumeeMohammadAG: also there are loads of dependencies from extras-devel, will ruin my device.21:32
trumeeMohammadAG: yes i did a make install to get the binaries in /opt/qt21:33
MohammadAGwoglinde_, <trumee> MohammadAG: problem is that i had to build qt from source since maemo doesnt have qt3support libraries in qt-4.6.221:33
woglinde_mythtv need qt3support?21:33
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woglinde_what the fuck21:33
trumeewoglinde_: yes21:33
woglinde_konvert it21:33
woglinde_this suckz21:33
trumeewoglinde_: myth guys are gradually modifying it to remove qt3support but there are still places where it exists21:34
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trumeewoglinde_: it might be easier for now to build qt3support for N900.21:34
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woglinde_hm besides this21:35
woglinde_you should take a look at the debian packages of mythtv21:35
woglinde_and adapted them21:35
woglinde_with optify21:35
* microlith wonders if the indexer can be any more arbitrary and random21:35
trumeeMohammadAG: i wonder why the dev left qt3support out of the binaries21:35
trumeewoglinde_: you mean install easy debian on the device?21:35
woglinde_trumee because maemo didn't have support for qt321:36
woglinde_trumee no21:36
woglinde_take the debian-packages and make them maemo5 conform21:36
trumeewoglinde_: i built qt-4.6.2 maemo in scratchbox and qt3support built ok.21:36
woglinde_thas how I do it most the time21:37
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woglinde_thats besides the qt3support21:37
trumeewoglinde_: unfortunately, there are some dependencies for mythtv, i listed the .deb packages i had to install here
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trumeewoglinde_: will i need to install these packages on N900 as well?21:38
woglinde_hms my damn internet connection21:38
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trumeei am still not sure why devs left out qt3support, if it builds fine under armel, they should have made a package.21:39
trumeemaybe it was a space issue.21:40
woglinde_tumee space21:41
RST38hthey explicitely did not want backward compatibility maybe?21:41
woglinde_and as I said21:41
woglinde_mo qt3 support on maemo21:41
woglinde_it started with qt421:41
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woglinde_and you didnt want run mythv on n8x021:41
woglinde_which watchdog do I need for n810 kernels21:42
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RST38hprobably do not want to do it on n900 either21:42
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RST38htoo slow...21:42
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trumeeRST38h: SD content should be fine i guess?21:43
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trumeeRST38h: knots2 works very well for mythtv recordings. But there is no live-tv support which i miss21:43
wizkoderhy everybody21:44
wizkoderHow do I write a sms with the N900??? If I do not have the number as a contact?21:44
trumeeRST38h: maybe if the video stream was transcoded on the fly in mythtv that would work,21:44
wizkoderfound it. very well hidden ;-)21:45
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RST38htrumee: Sounds too complicated to me21:48
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woglinde_hm ah reading a thread about the watchdog now21:49
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woglinde_I have all the cbus stuff enabled21:51
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otuboHello guys, do think that there's a way to get the GPS data from N900 (usb, bt, whatever) and share it with my PC (to use google earth, ie)?21:52
woglinde_~seen luke-jr21:52
infobotluke-jr is currently on #maemo, last said: 'ShadowJK: automatic check is a bug :)'.21:53
Stskeepsotubo: can probably hack something up in python with ease21:53
woglinde_stskeeps yes with remote dbus probably21:53
woglinde_using the same dbus interface as gpsd21:54
woglinde_stskeeps are you familiar with the watchdogs on n8x0?21:54
otuboStskeeps, woglinde_ do you have any docs describing any of these methods? A kick off example or something?21:54
Stskeepsjust ran into the 'say no to a qt based maemo'21:55
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woglinde_stskeeps lol21:55
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Stskeepsotubo: look at pymaemo and look at location apis21:55
fralsye i saw that one Stskeeps... some people...21:55
woglinde_otubo hm the locationlib is described in the wiki21:55
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woglinde_for remote dbus you needs some googling21:55
Stskeepsfrals: i was wondering why my happiness had increased, realized i wasn't following tmo21:56
woglinde_proably I just have to clea the flags21:56
woglinde_lets try21:56
fralsStskeeps: :D21:56
* GAN900 notes his Facebook account seems to have been automagically reactivated.21:56
otuboStskeeps, woglinde_ all right, thank you guys. Any progress on my hacks I'll let you know here :)21:57
Stskeepsotubo: you can maybe even make your n900 show up as a bluetooth GPS21:57
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otuboStskeeps, that's an idea I've been thinking too.21:58
Stskeepsi did that with my freerunner21:58
Stskeepsfairly easy, too21:58
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TigerTaelArgh! I cannot seem to fix this knietic scrolling problem in Coversations.21:59
woglinde_stskeep hm how?22:00
Stskeepscan probably convert it to a n900 version fairly easy22:00
TigerTaelI need some serious help. For some reason my Conversations is using a traditional scroll bar instead of kinetic scrolling. :(22:00
* GAN900 wonders why mwkn got a thumb on Planet.22:01
woglinde_ah right22:01
woglinde_with gpsd22:01
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GAN900TigerTael, were you messing around with the style?22:01
TigerTaelI actually flashed the 1.1.1 again and then flashed emmc...22:01
woglinde_stskeeps seems the script is gone22:02
TigerTaelAnd now I've reflashed 1.1.1 again...22:02
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TigerTaelCan anyone suggest anything? I don't really even mind flashing again, but... this bug is driving me nuts.22:02
meceTigerTael, what bug is it?22:03
TigerTaelWell, since my kinetic scrolling has somehow gone AWOL in Conversations, I don't know what else to call it.22:03
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woglinde_damn watchdog22:03
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TigerTaelHow would I get my phone to a Vanilla/Virgin state?22:06
Stskeepsflash it and flash emmc22:06
infobothmm... flasher is
TigerTaelStskeeps, that's what I did to cause this problem.22:07
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TigerTaelOkay, well I'll try it again.22:10
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wacklheya Khertan22:13
TigerTaelIf I flash the rootfs+emmc, is everything wiped off? (I.E, nothing left behind?)22:13
TigerTaelAnd, the corect procedure is to flash 1.1.1 first and then the emmc, right?22:13
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dima202I just noticed the default alarm is pretty bad, can't find any settings for it22:25
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fralswow, i completly missed that gizmodo outted the guys iphone 4g they got their hands on22:25
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RST38hsomeone is getting his ass seriously whipped at Apple...22:26
d14jj ;) fail ;)22:26
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ToJa92I thought that phone don't look Apple at all, anyone agree?22:27
RST38hit looks like a Zune.22:27
RST38hmaybe it even runs Win7!22:28
dima202what phone?22:28
MohammadAGosso_notes pisses me off22:28
ToJa92[dima202]: This
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MohammadAGI think that's what's inside the iPad22:29
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ToJa92[MohammadAG]: Maybe it is, you got any pictures of a disassembled iPad?22:31
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ToJa92I'm too lazy to search lol22:31
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MohammadAGToJa92, err lol22:32
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ToJa92Meh, nevermind, I guess time will tell22:34
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TigerTaelOkay, I'm happy to report that now the kinetic scrolling is back to normal.22:38
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tim_how do you change the colour of your text22:41
tim_on xchat22:41
C-S-B-N900you dont, its horrid.22:43
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sECuREby chosing "Font" in the menu22:43
sECuREoh, in xchat22:43
sECuREi read xterm, nevermind22:43
tim_anyone know how to do it im sick of looking at grey22:44
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ToJa92I was gonna check it... but then I remembered I switched to irssi22:46
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C-S-B-N900you can change colors under settings -> preferences22:46
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C-S-B-N900ToJa92: why irssi?22:47
ToJa92[C-S-B-N900]: Dunno, lighter I guess. Never used any of xchat's features anyway. Plus it got black background and green text ;)22:47
sECuREfor irssi, there is if you like some color22:47
ToJa92well I just changed the colors in xterm and the normal text in irssi is now green22:48
SpeedEvilxchat just works for me.22:48
* C-S-B-N900 uses xchat22:48
SpeedEvilAdmittedly I'd like to slightly change some of the UI22:48
SpeedEvilfor example, shrink the inbox size a bit22:48
MohammadAGwell you change it like this22:49
tim_which one on xchat22:49
SpeedEviland make it so that tapping ont he rightside of the entry box does the hide/show22:49
MohammadAGCTRL K, followed by a number (test it by pmming yourself)22:49
opdf2i konw there's a batlevel widget, but is there a way to make the percentage show up i the status? such as in this thread
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SpeedEvilI'd love a status widget that would simply watch a png file on disk22:50
SpeedEvilif it changes, show the new png22:51
luke-jrwoglinde_: ?22:53
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lbtdo people get skype spam on their N900 ?22:56
mtnbkrlbt: I do22:56
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lbtgood enough :)22:56
tripzeroi do as well :|22:57
tripzerospam blows22:57
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opdf2lbt:  yes i do22:58
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mtnbkruntil I disabled my skype account on N900 :-/22:59
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ToJa92[lbt]: No, but I rarely use Skype anyway23:00
Kurppa_You can disable the spamming from desktop version of skype.23:00
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Kurppa_Just select "Allow IMs from... peope in my Contact list only" in the options.23:00
tripzeroKurppa_: meaning you can select not to receive non-"buddy" message?23:01
tripzerogood idea23:01
oscillikyep, i never get spam on Skype. ever23:01
lbtKurppa_: yeah.23:01
tripzerowill try23:01
Kurppa_It affects the whole account, not just the desktop client.23:01
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lbtcc if affected :
povbotBug 9986: Very offensive skype spam23:02
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lbtwill help to give them an idea of the size of the problem23:03
Kurppa_Have you created similar bugs from e-mail spam as well?23:03
timeless_mbpandre__: ping23:04
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lcuklbt often?23:04
lbt2-3 / month23:04
lbtusually at 4:30 am ..... grrr23:04
sECuREdon’t you set your phone silent at night? ;)23:05
sECuRE(or turn it off…)23:05
lbtactually I think it's mainly this one account - and of course I can't block it/report it23:05
lbtsECuRE: nah, too forgetfull23:05
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lbtone day...
hrw|gone  mafw-gst-subtitles-renderer: Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-subtitles (= 0.10.25-0maemo7+0m5) but 0.10.25-0maemo14+0m5-1 is to be installed23:07
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Kurppa_"anacron Why not: anacron is used to schedule daily jobs, fcron can schedule to minutes." -- isn't that false?23:08
Kurppa_Afaik anacron can schedule jobs to run for example every minute.23:09
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lbtanacron? no23:09
lbtmanpage : "Anacron  can be used to execute commands periodically, with a frequency specified in days"23:09
Kurppa_Alright, maybe I'm just loopy.23:10
SpeedEvil1/1440 of a day is 1 min23:10
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Kurppa_Does anybody know which cron is in use in debian/ubuntu? At least that one can schedule jobs on a minute basis.23:12
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C-S-B-N900how are people finding chromiun n900?23:12
C-S-B-N900and is it worthwhile installing the advanced kernel? is it stable?23:13
SpeedEvilchromium is slow23:13
Kurppa_fcron looks like a neat tool, better try it one day. Thanks for the tip.23:14
C-S-B-N900cheers SpeedEvil, have you tried the advanced kernel?23:14
* frals slaps lcuk with some bacon23:15
lcukta frals i needed that23:15
fralsnp had a feeling you did23:16
Arkenoichromium has *empty* default root CA repository23:16
Arkenoiso you have to install all certificates manually23:16
timeless_mbpempty is good23:16
timeless_mbpyou know your whole trust world :)23:16
fralsuserproofing an application is well boring :(23:17
lcuki used to give liqbase to jake and luke23:17
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lcukluke also even further back found bugs in other systems :)23:17
C-S-B-N900i use chromium on my comp, wondered what it was like on my phone. :)23:18
lcukjust watch how they use it and where they expect things23:18
fralslcuk: no childs available here for labor im afraid! :<23:18
lcuklacking in the -ui assistance to i gather23:19
lcukwheres noob when you need him23:19
lcukthere was a designer who sent him mockups for healthcheck23:19
fralsnot much response in the -ui channel im afraid23:19
Macerland of the lost is pretty funny23:19
lcukwazd, have you installed fmms on your device yet?23:19
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Macerany time after now i'm here for you23:20
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Macerholy shit that damn t-rex cracks me up23:24
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FireStorm|is down?23:25
threshnot from here23:25
* FireStorm| sulks23:25
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C-S-B-N900I take it the psx emus are still unplayable.23:26
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vblazquezhi, the builder of fremantle has got cmake?23:33
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wazdlcuk: n800 can't send MMS23:37
wazdlcuk: e63 don't need any software to send it23:37
Dr_Cain <- this is sort of intresting23:38
lcukok dont worry, just wondering whether the ux for fmms could be looked at, but it really needs a device to test/feel it yourself23:38
StskeepsDr_Cain: old trick23:39
Dr_Cainyeah I know23:39
Dr_Cainbut it's still kind of cool23:39
Dr_CainI wonder how accurate it is though23:39
lcukDr_Cain, yawn23:39
lcuki did that on 81023:39
Dr_Cainhow did it turn out?23:39
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RST38hmoo wazd23:41
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wazdRST38h: heya23:42
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wazdlcuk: you know very well that I don't have the device, so why are you asking?23:42
MacerCarrier:Information Temporarily Unavailable.23:43
MacerTracking Number:Information Temporarily Unavailable.23:43
lcuki saw you saying you had a scratched one?23:43
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Macersomeone at dell seriously needs to either lose their job or they need to see about not outsourcing their IT all the time23:43
RST38hlcuk: He gets to fondle a scratched one!23:43
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Maceri have no idea when my n900 is going to show up because dell is screwed23:44
Dr_Cainyou ordered it from dell?23:44
trumeeguys i tried recording video of drnoksnes using load applet. but it did not capture the game video.23:44
lcukwazd i misunderstood what you said then, i was under the impression you got one23:45
MacerDr_Cain: yes23:45
trumeeany idea how can i caputre screencast23:45
lcukwith a net?23:45
RST38hof DrNokSNES? You can't23:45
wazdlcuk: I was joking that I'll get scratched overclocked n900 somewhen in august or september, when nokia finally ship it to the developers in queue23:45
MacerDr_Cain: dell has all types of neat stuff you can buy that i never knew about :)23:45
RST38hNot in full screen mode anyway23:45
Macerlike my nv240 video card with hdmi out that i use for my htpc that works AWESOME with high def :)23:46
RST38hwazd: scratched from inside by the sharp shards of overclocked cpu23:46
Dr_Cainhmm, intresting23:46
RST38hwazd: we may talk to quim to arrange that you have mine, btw23:46
RST38hwazd: this will also save me money on shipping it to .FI :))23:46
trumeeRST38h not sure if drnoksnes has a window mode23:47
wazdRST38h: I thought you have developers device, not the amsterdam one23:47
threshwazd: i have scratched overclocked n900 :))23:48
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wazdand looks like Quim is only hot on talking bout keeping Amsterdam units for developers23:48
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wazdcause Vlad has e-mailed him twice with no answer23:48
lcukquim is still in america isnt he?23:49
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lcukfighting the fire breathing ash dragon23:49
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MacerDr_Cain: i don't mind ordering from dell as much as i do tigerdirect23:49
Maceri think tigerdirect gets the barely passed qc stuff23:49
wazdwell, deadline is comming, so I guess he'd checked his inbox if he cared much23:50
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lcukanyone know how to find my phone number programatically?23:50
Maceri seriously want to see where my n900 is right now but dell's tracking information says it's temp unabailable :)23:50
trumeexchat default colours not good on n90023:50
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Khertanlcuk> anyone know how to find my phone number programatically? <<< send a sms ... read the result23:52
lcuknot practical23:52
ShadowJKI don't think it's generally possible23:52
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Khertanevery isp as some echo sms service :)23:52
lcukbisnt there some #* command?23:52
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ShadowJKI guess that depends on the operator23:52
Khertanlcuk, i know some for some isp but not the same for all23:53
Dr_CainMacer: usually takes some time for it to sync with the shipping service, just be patient :)23:53
MacerDr_Cain: then they shoul not change the status to "shipped"23:54
Macerit should be "processing" :)23:54
threshis maemo-mapper broken for me only?23:55
threshmaemo-mapper: Depends: libhildon1 (>= 2.2.10) but 2.2.3-1+0m5 is to be installed23:55
RST38hsame here23:56
threshmmh :(23:56
* thresh blames nokia as usual23:56
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RST38hwazd: the developers unit is not sufficiently different23:57
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javispedrograb this one maemo-mapper:
threshRST38h: it doesnt have 'nokia' and 'n900' on it, so it is definitely better23:57
javispedroI wonder why it wasn't imported.23:57
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RST38hthresh: has got "nokia"23:57
wazdRST38h: no, I mean I thought you don't have to return it23:57
RST38hwazd: I have to return it in september23:58
threshoh, I though ab's one didnt have anything23:58
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Khertanhum ... i think i should really discover where i put my contract23:58
Khertanfor returning my device23:58
RST38hshit, something broke my FAR23:58
RST38hthresh: Me and ab both have the same F4 pre-prod unit, afaik23:59
RST38hthresh: It has Nokia but not N90023:59
AppiahI have a issue with the mediaplayer,  some flac files just gets "unkown album" and some dont23:59
RST38hthresh: ALso keyboard feels a bit differently23:59
AppiahI'm checking the files with metaflac and they both have Artist and Title defined23:59
Appiahand album23:59

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