| Gadgetoid_mbp | 0 22 * * * gconftool --type bool --set /apps/modest/auto_update false = longer battery life and peace & quiet after 10pm | 00:00 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | In theory, anyway | 00:00 |
| MohammadAG | halt would make it quiet-er | 00:01 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | True, that | 00:05 |
| Gadgetoid_mbp | But wouldn't be much use if I'm trying to podcast myself to sleep | 00:05 |
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| MohammadAG | i was jk anyways :) | 00:07 |
| lcuk | wow noobmonk3y_ really nice mockup you have been sent | 00:08 |
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| Gadgetoid_mbp | But it's true, one of the entries in fcron is a midnight phone reboot, interesting concept for performance/stability | 00:08 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | :D :D :D | 00:09 |
| noobmonk3y_ | it is quite cool | 00:09 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | i've actually kept it black n white for now | 00:09 |
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| lcuk | noobmonk3y_, i would increase very slightly size and bold (add emphasis) the results text | 00:09 |
| noobmonk3y_ | but centralised the tab bars :D | 00:09 |
| lcuk | but otherwise very clean | 00:09 |
| noobmonk3y_ | css colors (colours!!!!) not playing ball atm | 00:09 |
| lcuk | yeah can work on them later obviously | 00:09 |
| MohammadAG | if I install a ping package, what would happen when I type ping? | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | (will busybox get confused?) | 00:10 |
| lcuk | you will systematically implode | 00:10 |
| lcuk | i doubt it | 00:10 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 00:11 |
| lcuk | but backup ping binary just in case if you are worried | 00:11 |
| SpeedEvil | busybox is by default confused | 00:11 |
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| SpeedEvil | you can only unconfuse it by removing it. | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, not for a package :) | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | (Although I really want coreutils and bash instead of it) | 00:12 |
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| SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: for non interactive use, busybox is good | 00:13 |
| SpeedEvil | it's got lots better performance than coreutils | 00:13 |
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| SpeedEvil | simply as you don't need to load a binary into RAM, it's already there | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | makes sense | 00:14 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lcuk, MohammadAG - http://www.greg-roberts.com/s.png | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | NICE battery icon! | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 00:14 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | :D :D :D | 00:14 |
| * MohammadAG likes the changes | 00:14 | |
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| noobmonk3y_ | want to change that top left menu selector icon thingy | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, what's the black bar at the bottom? | 00:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I want a battery that indicates charge when charging | 00:15 |
| noobmonk3y_ | status bar looks like it is making an appearence! | 00:15 |
| * noobmonk3y_ goes to sort that out! | 00:15 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | oh no, i made some fonts smaller | 00:15 |
| noobmonk3y_ | need to extend it | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | LOL I never saw that bar | 00:16 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, did you sort out text wrap? | 00:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | yup | 00:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | all fixed in this version | 00:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, bar is only in this version too | 00:16 |
| SpeedEvil | noobmonk3y_: what is this? | 00:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | (Havnt changed version number yet | 00:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | SpeedEvil, - playing around with CSS for healthcheck | 00:17 |
| SpeedEvil | ah | 00:17 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | lol MohammadAG i retract that, no idea what th ebar is | 00:17 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, it's for horizontal scrolling | 00:22 |
| MohammadAG | the scrollbar | 00:22 |
| noobmonk3y_ | nope :( | 00:22 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | all in line now, no bar :| | 00:22 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | definitley the style sheet | 00:24 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | got it down to 2px | 00:24 |
| MohammadAG | get it down to -2 :P | 00:25 |
| MohammadAG | frals, any MMS from yesterday? | 00:25 |
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| MohammadAG | LOL | 00:34 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | lol! | 00:34 |
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| MohammadAG | yay he fixed it | 00:53 |
| noobmonk3y_ | HealthCheck new version just going into extras devel :D | 00:53 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | actually no, still got a mini little bottom bar | 00:53 |
| noobmonk3y_ | just testing the line you told me about in the desktop file | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | doesn't mind, you fixed something lol | 00:54 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hehe yeah | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | Nokia Messaging seems a bit faster | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | it's actually push for all my email accounts now | 00:55 |
| noobmonk3y_ | now? | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | well it's push for me now | 00:56 |
| noobmonk3y_ | now since.... you turned it to push? :D | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | they might have updated the server side stuff | 00:56 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | hehe - have to admit nokia messaging has just...... worked for me, quite impressed | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | lol, it used to fetch my ovi mail as push | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | but it pulled my gmail | 00:57 |
| noobmonk3y_ | yeah it pushes my yahoo quite well :D | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | very useful for maemo bugs | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | and package comments | 00:57 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :P | 00:57 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure why I have my Junk folder subscribed | 00:57 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | :P | 00:59 |
| w00t_ | anyone know if there is a way (dbus signal maybe?) to tell when the app switcher is opened/closed? | 00:59 |
| w00t_ | from dbus-monitor, it doesn't seem like it, so I'm hoping there's another way | 00:59 |
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| MohammadAG | the dashboard? | 01:00 |
| w00t_ | the thing that appears with live thumbnails of running apps | 01:00 |
| w00t_ | app switcher :p | 01:00 |
| noobmonk3y_ | meh icon has vanished from HAM again :( | 01:00 |
| noobmonk3y_ | oooooo good question w00t_ | 01:01 |
| w00t_ | and a difficult one, as far as I can tell | 01:01 |
| * w00t_ cannot find any way to do that, and it's annoying | 01:01 | |
| MohammadAG | I'm kind of asking myself something | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | if you're in an app it's not in the switcher | 01:02 |
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| MohammadAG | Oh I can tell why you need it | 01:02 |
| MohammadAG | to update facebrick when someone goes into the dashboard | 01:02 |
| w00t_ | not quite, no, this isn't facebrick related | 01:02 |
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| w00t_ | seperate app, cooler one | 01:02 |
| noobmonk3y_ | facepalm related? | 01:02 |
| * MohammadAG gets excited | 01:02 | |
| w00t_ | (not ready to talk about it just now :P) | 01:03 |
| * MohammadAG loses excitement | 01:03 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, go to extras devel and download HealthCheck ;) | 01:03 |
| noobmonk3y_ | you know you wanna ;) | 01:03 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | has anyone overclocked her btw? - need to test the cpu frequencies field some more | 01:04 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, nearly all of the system tabs info update via click now :D | 01:04 |
| noobmonk3y_ | added system load too | 01:04 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | by her, i meant here* lol | 01:04 |
| ds3 | I'll settle for a stable system at this point | 01:05 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :D | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, I'm still waiting for DocS and Speed Evil (spaces to not ping them) to start warning about overclocking | 01:05 |
| MohammadAG | or arguing :P | 01:05 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol they can warn all they want, i'm just interested in testing | 01:05 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | if people want to do it, they can do ti :D - i aint no mother :D | 01:05 |
| noobmonk3y_ | it* | 01:05 |
| * MohammadAG echos false values into the scaling frequencies file | 01:06 | |
| MohammadAG | 7000 here I come | 01:06 |
| ToJa92 | Lol | 01:06 |
| ds3 | put in a faster chip if you want to go faster | 01:06 |
| opdf2 | anyone from USA order Vikuiti DQC-160? | 01:07 |
| ToJa92 | [noobmonk3y_]: I could try healthcheck out, I have overclocked | 01:07 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :P | 01:07 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | thanks ToJa92 - new version in devel | 01:08 |
| noobmonk3y_ | it should force a new line | 01:08 |
| noobmonk3y_ | on the frequencies line :D | 01:08 |
| ToJa92 | just waiting for fennec to finish updating so I can download it :P | 01:08 |
| noobmonk3y_ | beforehand it expanded the list so you had to scroll sideways - was a bit messy | 01:08 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | cool :D thanks :D | 01:09 |
| ToJa92 | how come some applications can be updated in app manager even though they have 'conflicting packages' ? | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | Oooh new desktop file :D | 01:10 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 01:11 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | can you increase the top bar a bit? | 01:11 |
| noobmonk3y_ | increase? | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, sec | 01:11 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, no idea! | 01:12 |
| vblazquez | Hi, i'm trying to package an application, i did it succesfully, with dpkg -i application.deb works fine, but with the app manager is not working, is it needed something special? | 01:12 |
| noobmonk3y_ | think its a temp fix until pr1.2 | 01:12 |
| noobmonk3y_ | what do you mean with the app manager? auto builder? | 01:12 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hi by the way :D hehe | 01:12 |
| vblazquez | under gui | 01:12 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, http://i42.tinypic.com/2445iwz.jpg | 01:12 |
| noobmonk3y_ | moh, you can scroll it down lol | 01:13 |
| noobmonk3y_ | little overlap looks cool i think :( | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, HAM | 01:13 |
| noobmonk3y_ | Ham sandwhich? | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, lol I know | 01:13 |
| MohammadAG | I meant the black bar behind the 4 buttons | 01:13 |
| noobmonk3y_ | so did you mean to remove the overlap? | 01:13 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | actually, its the buttons that dangle :) | 01:14 |
| * MohammadAG wants MS paint | 01:14 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | gimp will do? | 01:14 |
| noobmonk3y_ | actually tux paint looks good ;) | 01:14 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hehe | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | I want a quick way lol | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | don't know all labels | 01:14 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | anyway, what you dont like is the way the tab labels appear over the list labels? | 01:15 |
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| ToJa92 | is it the CPU frequencies field you want to know the value of? | 01:15 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, just checking that it doesnt scroll of the screen | 01:15 |
| noobmonk3y_ | and that it overlaps, and creates a new line :D | 01:15 |
| dneary | Robot101, Ping? | 01:15 |
| ToJa92 | oh | 01:15 |
| noobmonk3y_ | if there are more than three frequencies | 01:15 |
| ToJa92 | well, it does not create a new line | 01:16 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | :| eeeeeeeek | 01:16 |
| ToJa92 | I got like 10 frequencies | 01:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | oh! | 01:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | didnt predict that many! | 01:16 |
| ToJa92 | 14 actually | 01:16 |
| ToJa92 | :P | 01:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | thought a max of about 8 | 01:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | does it reacreate a second line? | 01:16 |
| noobmonk3y_ | then kinda go nuts? | 01:16 |
| ToJa92 | nope, the line below it says "Camera shutter state" | 01:17 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | so you can only see a couple of your frequencies? | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, quick professional edit http://i42.tinypic.com/10h0wwg.jpg | 01:17 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 01:17 |
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| ToJa92 | no, I can see all, the table expands on width instead of new line | 01:17 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol MohammadAG - will remove the dangling | 01:17 |
| ToJa92 | so the table is extremely wide right now | 01:17 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, - will add some new lines :P | 01:18 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hmmm it should create a new line after the first three | 01:18 |
| noobmonk3y_ | so thats really confusing | 01:18 |
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| * MohammadAG likes the expanding tables | 01:19 | |
| * noobmonk3y_ doesn't :( | 01:19 | |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, did you change the font? | 01:19 |
| MohammadAG | it doesn't look the same | 01:19 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, yeah , CSS screws it up | 01:19 |
| dneary | Any San Franciscans here? | 01:19 |
| ToJa92 | [noobmonk3y_]: How about you do like this. You can see the first three values, then you have to click on the item to actually view the rest of them= | 01:19 |
| * MohammadAG likes CSS | 01:19 | |
| ToJa92 | ? | 01:19 |
| ToJa92 | CSS is nice | 01:20 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ToJa92, sounsd great - hard to do :( | 01:20 |
| noobmonk3y_ | CSS Font size is smaller than before ToJa92 | 01:20 |
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| ToJa92 | strange, after opening healthchecker my reception dropped to nothing :S | 01:20 |
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| ToJa92 | anyways, gotta sleep now | 01:21 |
| ToJa92 | later | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, the tests look better! | 01:21 |
| noobmonk3y_ | thanks ToJa92 :D | 01:21 |
| noobmonk3y_ | Yeah MohammadAG ! :D | 01:22 |
| noobmonk3y_ | i thought so too :D | 01:22 |
| ToJa92 | no problem, you couls /msg me here if you want more testing down.. that would have to wait until tommorow though | 01:22 |
| noobmonk3y_ | thanks ToJa92 :D - will update another version tomorrow night ;) | 01:23 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, Will do another one for you in a minute hehe | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 01:23 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, one more thing | 01:23 |
| noobmonk3y_ | oooo yeah | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | does the camera test really check the back cover? | 01:24 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | yup | 01:24 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | try fooling it! | 01:24 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, I did | 01:24 |
| MohammadAG | XD | 01:24 |
| noobmonk3y_ | it worked? | 01:24 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | if it is open, it wont ask you to open it ;) | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | if it's closed it will | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | and if I pick yes it seems to take a pic | 01:25 |
| noobmonk3y_ | oh well, its a bit of a faff | 01:25 |
| noobmonk3y_ | but it works | 01:25 |
| MohammadAG | it does take a pic | 01:26 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :D | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | I removed the back cover (it thinks it's closed) | 01:26 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol! | 01:26 |
| noobmonk3y_ | random! | 01:26 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, actually, the mechanism it uses is racist | 01:26 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol!!! | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | camera is open for white surfaces, closed for black ones | 01:27 |
| noobmonk3y_ | awwwwww | 01:27 |
| MohammadAG | wow, almost broke the clip XD | 01:27 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :| | 01:30 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | w000ps | 01:33 |
| noobmonk3y_ | sent h/c in twice to get built | 01:33 |
| noobmonk3y_ | oh well | 01:33 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | BACON! | 01:33 |
| * noobmonk3y_ wonders if frals smelt that and is a coming a running ;) | 01:33 | |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, no worries, one will get rejected | 01:34 |
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| MohammadAG | :P | 01:34 |
| noobmonk3y_ | ;) | 01:34 |
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| BCMM | thinking of making a replacement startup video for my n900 | 01:34 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :D :D | 01:35 |
| BCMM | what happens if the video is long? | 01:35 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, - both suceeded! | 01:35 |
| noobmonk3y_ | bcmm - you wait a long time to get into your phone ;) | 01:35 |
| noobmonk3y_ | set it as a lord of the rings film then lend it to someone lol | 01:36 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, err | 01:36 |
| BCMM | noobmonk3y_: yes, but does the GUI start in the background or what? | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, you're gonna bring down the autobuilder!!! | 01:36 |
| noobmonk3y_ | BCMM, dont think so | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 01:36 |
| BCMM | i mean, if the video is much too long, will the GUI load behind the video, or after it finishes? | 01:36 |
| * noobmonk3y_ is gonna cause mayhem! wohoooooooo | 01:36 | |
| noobmonk3y_ | BCMM, I think not | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK Maemo Extras Builder | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | # [extras-builds] [fremantle]: healthcheck 1.1.1-1 OK Maemo Extras Builder | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | omg | 01:37 |
| MohammadAG | they did succeed | 01:37 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, Sir.... your changes are made! | 01:37 |
| noobmonk3y_ | tis in devel! | 01:37 |
| noobmonk3y_ | and i know, lol! | 01:37 |
| * MohammadAG waits for the downtime | 01:37 | |
| BCMM | noobmonk3y_: so the gui loads after the video finishes? | 01:37 |
| noobmonk3y_ | i didn't lie! | 01:37 |
| * MohammadAG thanks noobmonk3y_ | 01:37 | |
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| noobmonk3y_ | BCMM, Yes that should be the order it works | 01:37 |
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| noobmonk3y_ | i do not think there is a forced limit either | 01:37 |
| noobmonk3y_ | just depends on space | 01:37 |
| noobmonk3y_ | file corrupted on update | 01:38 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol!!!! | 01:38 |
| * noobmonk3y_ laughs | 01:38 | |
| * noobmonk3y_ killed autobuilder :( | 01:38 | |
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| MohammadAG | <noobmonk3y_> tis in devel! | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | WHAT | 01:40 |
| noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, try and update - i'm getting corrupted file | 01:41 |
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| MohammadAG | screw that | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | it got imported?!?! | 01:41 |
| noobmonk3y_ | and died! | 01:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Is anyone aware of a way tyo simplyt copy / to /sd - and to boot onto that using the 'open keyboard and hold a key' feature ? | 01:41 |
| noobmonk3y_ | :| | 01:41 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, damn, the importer fought back and it didn't bring down the system | 01:41 |
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| * noobmonk3y_ is uploading a new new one | 01:43 | |
| MohammadAG | damn control file got screwed | 01:44 |
| noobmonk3y_ | hehe | 01:45 |
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| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y_, why'd you bump the version 2 numbers? | 01:46 |
| noobmonk3y_ | cos number 2 got ancy and started biting my ankles | 01:46 |
| noobmonk3y_ | built it and made a mistake, so then fixed it and made 3 | 01:46 |
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| cehteh | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/177219/Palm-WebOS-Hacked-Via-SMS-Messages | 01:47 |
| cehteh | bwaha .. sms'o'death | 01:47 |
| noobmonk3y_ | lol! | 01:47 |
| noobmonk3y_ | it's in extras-devel | 01:49 |
| noobmonk3y_ | off for a ciggy, brb | 01:49 |
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| noobmonk3y | night alls :D | 02:02 |
| MohammadAG | nooooo | 02:03 |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | gnite noobmonk3y | 02:03 |
| noobmonk3y | mooooooo or nooooooooo? | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | noooooooo | 02:03 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 02:03 |
| noobmonk3y | i r tired | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | s/noooooooo/nooooooooooooooooooooooooo/ | 02:03 |
| infobot | MohammadAG meant: nooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 02:03 |
| noobmonk3y | isnt it like 3am there? | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | 2:03 | 02:03 |
| * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout | 02:03 | |
| MohammadAG | I sleep at 5 | 02:03 |
| MohammadAG | lmao | 02:03 |
| * noobmonk3y eats frals trout | 02:04 | |
| noobmonk3y | oooo fishhhhhhhhhay | 02:04 |
| frals | bastard! | 02:04 |
| noobmonk3y | meh, lifes a bitch ;) | 02:04 |
| frals | :D | 02:04 |
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| MohammadAG | XD | 02:04 |
| noobmonk3y | frals - healthcheck is getting a very slow makeover! | 02:04 |
| frals | cool | 02:04 |
| frals | getting a decent ui? ;) | 02:04 |
| noobmonk3y | http://www.greg-roberts.com/s.png - changed a bit since then | 02:04 |
| noobmonk3y | well, not really | 02:05 |
| noobmonk3y | just not so boring | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | frals, it's decent ;) | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | actually I like it, it's very simple | 02:05 |
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| noobmonk3y | noticed that QT and css dont like each other much | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | but still more complex than an iCrap list | 02:05 |
| noobmonk3y | lol true | 02:06 |
| * MohammadAG lost his N900 | 02:06 | |
| * noobmonk3y ate MohammadAG's N900 | 02:06 | |
| MohammadAG | still in ssh range | 02:06 |
| * MohammadAG does a sudo sh explode.sh | 02:06 | |
| noobmonk3y | lol | 02:07 |
| noobmonk3y | Sudo fart | 02:07 |
| frals | hmm checking my blogstats from yesterday | 02:07 |
| frals | 2999 visits | 02:07 |
| frals | doh! | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, you killed the system!!! | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | you shouldn't have done it as root | 02:07 |
| noobmonk3y | ??!?! lol | 02:07 |
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| MohammadAG | sudo fart | 02:07 |
| noobmonk3y | evil hell of a fart! | 02:07 |
| MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, your status menu is clean | 02:08 |
| noobmonk3y | ? | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | http://i42.tinypic.com/10h0wwg.jpg | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | err, hildon-status-menu | 02:08 |
| MohammadAG | the thing with the clock | 02:09 |
| noobmonk3y | clean? | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | it's empty | 02:09 |
| MohammadAG | :P | 02:09 |
| noobmonk3y | oh no extra stuff? | 02:09 |
| noobmonk3y | hehe :D | 02:09 |
| crashanddie_ | frals: wow, just get that number to be multiplied by 10 and you can have a viable blog | 02:09 |
| noobmonk3y | not really modded it much | 02:09 |
| * MohammadAG is amazed someone uses the 24h system | 02:09 | |
| noobmonk3y | frals, i visited twice :D | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | what blog? | 02:10 |
| * MohammadAG loves blogs | 02:10 | |
| MohammadAG | except maybe engadget | 02:10 |
| noobmonk3y | frals has a porn blog... maemohamsters.blog.com | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | hamster porn? | 02:10 |
| MohammadAG | eww | 02:10 |
| frals | crashanddie_: yes, im considering switching to posting about fashin and videologs of myself | 02:10 |
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| frals | just need to get breast implants and blonde hair | 02:11 |
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| Arkenoi | Does anyone have digia @scene working? I get "this video was removed" for everything i try there :-/ | 02:11 |
| noobmonk3y | lol!!!! | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | lmfao | 02:11 |
| MohammadAG | frals, link? | 02:11 |
| Arkenoi | It just started behaving that way a few weeks ago | 02:11 |
| crashanddie_ | frals: I've had a few weeks around 50k visits a day | 02:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | when I was a heavy poster, haven't written in quite a while | 02:11 |
| crazyhorsss | how can i compile on the n900 device itself? | 02:12 |
| crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: command it? "I order you to compile" | 02:12 |
| crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: now, if you told us what language, we might be able to help :) | 02:12 |
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| crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: usually it involves install build-essential ;) | 02:12 |
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| frals | MohammadAG: blog.frals.se | 02:13 |
| * lcuk wants to go shoot some zombies | 02:13 | |
| frals | i only post about fmms stuff | 02:13 |
| noobmonk3y | http://blog.frals.se/ | 02:13 |
| noobmonk3y | meh he beat me | 02:13 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, CoD WaW :P | 02:13 |
| frals | l4d2! | 02:13 |
| * lcuk just watched zombieland | 02:13 | |
| MohammadAG | COD! | 02:13 |
| rm_you | l4d2 wins :P | 02:13 |
| crashanddie_ | HL2? :P | 02:13 |
| noobmonk3y | lcuk, zombieland rocks! | 02:14 |
| lcuk | hl2 wins | 02:14 |
| crashanddie_ | MW2 -- not zombies, still very good. | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | CS :p | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, indeed :) | 02:14 |
| rm_you | l4d2 == zombieland | 02:14 |
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| * MohammadAG might as well update | 02:14 | |
| frals | had they just had dedi servers mw2 wouldve been awesome | 02:14 |
| lcuk | noobmonk3y, i spotted advert for it b4 and got it on ppv | 02:14 |
| crashanddie_ | frals: meh, never noticed anything different | 02:14 |
| crashanddie_ | frals: then again, I play on PS3, so used to it | 02:15 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 02:15 |
| noobmonk3y | ppv? | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, lots of migrating stuff | 02:15 |
| lcuk | or ondemand or whatever it is | 02:15 |
| frals | crashanddie: that explain it then | 02:15 |
| crazyhorsss | what could be the problem.. im trying to open a new console window while running this one, gets me and error Could not open console | 02:15 |
| frals | crazyhorsss: limit is 4 open at once | 02:15 |
| MohammadAG | Migrating server ... Awaiting connection .. 0 .. 1.. Connecting to server 0 ... Game lobby closed | 02:15 |
| frals | unless you change it | 02:15 |
| rm_you | grah unemployment blows | 02:15 |
| crazyhorsss | i have just 1 open | 02:15 |
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| * MohammadAG is away for less than 5 minutes | 02:16 | |
| lcuk | and the world goes to shit | 02:16 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: really, we don't give a sht | 02:16 |
| lcuk | crazyhorsss, do you understand linux | 02:17 |
| crazyhorsss | yes | 02:17 |
| lcuk | compiling on device is limited | 02:17 |
| lcuk | you cannot simply get ./configure, and you cannot simply build packages | 02:17 |
| crazyhorsss | not a pro, but avera linux user | 02:17 |
| lcuk | but add the maemo sdk and tools repositories | 02:17 |
| crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: control shift x | 02:17 |
| lcuk | and if you have enough space you can apt-get install build-essential | 02:18 |
| lcuk | which gives you "make" and gcc :) | 02:18 |
| crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: that opens a new console every time | 02:18 |
| * noobmonk3y loves python....... | 02:18 | |
| noobmonk3y | night alls (again) | 02:18 |
| crazyhorsss | how much space? | 02:18 |
| crashanddie_ | night noobmonk3y | 02:18 |
| lcuk | night noobmonk3y | 02:18 |
| noobmonk3y | ciaooooooooooo | 02:18 |
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| crazyhorsss | crashanddie_: thanks, it works | 02:19 |
| lcuk | crazyhorsss, lots - apt-get will tell you and its up to you to sort it - alternative as noobmonk3y suggested is python | 02:19 |
| lcuk | much simpler | 02:19 |
| lcuk | less heavyweight | 02:19 |
| lcuk | pyqt works well | 02:19 |
| crashanddie_ | easier to develop on-device | 02:19 |
| lcuk | install healthcheck - it will put everything you need for on device hacking of .py files | 02:19 |
| lcuk | in console run python file.py and have fun | 02:20 |
| lcuk | the rest is fluff | 02:20 |
| crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: I was a big anti-python guy, and well, i have to say I like it a lot now. I'm guessing if you need CPU-intensive stuff you can always write it in C and then call it from python -- use python as a glue, and C as your bricks | 02:20 |
| crazyhorsss | yeah, great for ,ython | 02:20 |
| crashanddie_ | crazyhorsss: python will allow you to architecture your application the way you want it, hack it the way you want it, and then if needed, you can develop the C "modules" (subsections that aren't fast enough in python) at home, from the comfort of your PC | 02:21 |
| crashanddie_ | that's how I do it now | 02:21 |
| Disconnect | sweeet mms worked :) | 02:21 |
| crashanddie_ | hack on the go, optimize at home | 02:21 |
| crashanddie_ | aaarggghhhh, I die a little inside | 02:22 |
| crashanddie_ | s/ize/ise/ | 02:22 |
| crazyhorsss | ok, thanks | 02:22 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: show him a cool video of what you did all in C, on the device :) | 02:22 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: show him it's possible | 02:22 |
| lcuk | crazyhorsss, install liqflow | 02:23 |
| lcuk | its the simplest way to show you something different | 02:23 |
| crazyhorsss | Ok | 02:23 |
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| lcuk | i need on device stuff again soon crashanddie_ | 02:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: why so? | 02:25 |
| lcuk | my desk has got 810s and 900s and pcs | 02:25 |
| crazyhorsss | brb | 02:25 |
| lcuk | i need to get them all compiling new builds as i make changes | 02:25 |
| lcuk | and running them - just like i did on one machine | 02:25 |
| lcuk | now on a cluster of different ones | 02:25 |
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| lcuk | so i can see the effects | 02:25 |
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| lcuk | i wanted to write the communication manager in pyqt | 02:26 |
| lcuk | but qt has no native method to do multicast | 02:26 |
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| crashanddie_ | lcuk: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/faqs/faq.2007-05-04.3155102847 | 02:27 |
| lcuk | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-7 | 02:28 |
| lcuk | i know of that | 02:28 |
| lcuk | but its not cross platform or native qt | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: use tubes in salut... | 02:28 |
| crashanddie_ | ah, yes indeed | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: it has a multicase protocol already | 02:28 |
| lcuk | i have to step out of the qt walled garden to get it | 02:28 |
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| Robot101 | *multicast | 02:28 |
| Robot101 | lcuk: andrunko or smcv or oggis or wjt can help you :) | 02:29 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, i was just wanting something quick - none of the machines have any accounts o_O :D but yes i will speak to them | 02:29 |
| lcuk | ie - i will have 5 local machines | 02:29 |
| lcuk | different profiles | 02:29 |
| lcuk | not instant messaging person to person | 02:29 |
| lcuk | but machine to machine | 02:29 |
| lcuk | individual pieces of my house net | 02:30 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: couldn't you implement a subscriber design pattern? | 02:30 |
| lcuk | is it reasonable to have instant messaging accounts for "home-bedroom-wall" | 02:30 |
| crashanddie_ | or maybe you don't want to? | 02:30 |
| lcuk | and "gary-n00" | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | ehhh | 02:31 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: eventually that's where we're heading to | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | you don't need accounts with a server for salut | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | it's the link-local one | 02:31 |
| lcuk | Robot101, i know that | 02:31 |
| Robot101 | you can just poke accounts and if it's not there, make a salut account for liqbase@thisbox | 02:31 |
| lcuk | but they need accounting for and naming | 02:31 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: though, I imagine it's more likely that such features would be properties of a specific account -- just as now you have a mobile, work and home number for someone, I can't imagine it being that different to have a living room, bedroom or kitchen direct dialing system | 02:31 |
| lcuk | Robot101, the table has ~7 handhelds | 02:32 |
| lcuk | which one is which | 02:32 |
| lcuk | they need accounts and logical names | 02:32 |
| lcuk | and if you come to my house | 02:32 |
| lcuk | robs-n900 will be on the table too | 02:32 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: as always, give them science fiction names | 02:32 |
| Robot101 | you can probably find the user's name from somewhere too...? | 02:32 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: may I suggest picard, laforge, data, worf... | 02:33 |
| Robot101 | grub around in some modest settings or something :D | 02:33 |
| lcuk | Robot101, an account would be simpler - or rather - alias of my account | 02:33 |
| lcuk | "on this machine gary is known as "lcuk-n00" | 02:33 |
| Robot101 | you can sign in multiple times with telepathy | 02:33 |
| Robot101 | er, XMPP | 02:33 |
| lcuk | lose recognition | 02:33 |
| crashanddie_ | but only one username/status message makes it to the server -- the last one connected IIRC | 02:34 |
| Robot101 | but telepathy doesn't distinguish them currently | 02:34 |
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| Robot101 | crashanddie_: that's decided by the client, not the server | 02:34 |
| lcuk | no i know thats why i thought they would need accounts each | 02:34 |
| Robot101 | yeah but... it's just software, we can fix it right :) | 02:34 |
| crashanddie_ | Robot101: well, not really -- I seem to remember that during the logon phase, the client needs to confirm the name? | 02:35 |
| lcuk | indeedy | 02:35 |
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| lcuk | Robot101, how do we handle currently logged in with work computer and n900 | 02:36 |
| lcuk | can both be on IM? | 02:36 |
| lcuk | at the same time, or is that service specific | 02:36 |
| crashanddie_ | yes | 02:36 |
| crashanddie_ | both receive the message | 02:36 |
| lcuk | ie msn might allow it | 02:36 |
| lcuk | other providers wont | 02:36 |
| crashanddie_ | ah, don't konw | 02:36 |
| crashanddie_ | I've noticed differences per provider though | 02:36 |
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| crashanddie_ | for example, google chat will send the first message of a conversation to all connected clients | 02:37 |
| crashanddie_ | but will only send subsequent messages to the one that replied | 02:37 |
| crashanddie_ | skype, on the other hand, echoes messages and responses to all connected clients | 02:37 |
| * MohammadAG wonders how noobmonk3y got that host cloak | 02:37 | |
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| MohammadAG | it's not a freenode cloak afaik | 02:37 |
| crashanddie_ | noobit's just a british telecom reverse dns | 02:38 |
| crashanddie_ | wtf | 02:38 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: that's just a british telecom reverse dns | 02:38 |
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| Robot101 | MohammadAG: you can get cloaks easily on freenode, just register with nickserv and turn it on iirc | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | I am registered | 02:45 |
| Robot101 | so turn on cloaking | 02:45 |
| Robot101 | /msg NickServ help | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | I think you have to be an upstanding member of the community | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | I know the commands... | 02:45 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I firmly oppose you receiving a cloak | 02:45 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, I'm not asking for one, and why's that? | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | crashanddie_: so with XMPP, what happens is that you sign on and get multiple resources (your JID is user@server/resource) | 02:46 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: but in case you ignore my veto, just ask X-Fade, he's the maemo account manager. Just ask him for a cloak. | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | crashanddie_: each resource has a priority and its own presence & status message | 02:46 |
| MohammadAG | No, I don't deserve a free one | 02:46 |
| Robot101 | crashanddie_: the server sends incoming messages with no specific resource to all of the resources with the highest priority | 02:46 |
| crashanddie_ | Robot101: which when idle is all of the connected resources? | 02:47 |
| crashanddie_ | Robot101: and then when resource x replies, its priority is topped up | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | crashanddie_: not quite. by default, Telepathy (and Google Talk) sets no priority, so it is 0, so the initial message goes to all of your resources. if you /reply/, a well-behaving client should reply to the resource that replied to it. | 02:47 |
| Robot101 | (and if that resource later disconnects, it's equivalent to sending with no resource) | 02:48 |
| crashanddie_ | k k | 02:48 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, speak with x-fade on monday | 02:48 |
| frals | needs 500 karma | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | lcuk, again, I don't deserve one | 02:48 |
| lcuk | why not? | 02:48 |
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| lcuk | you are active and helpful and communicative and engaged in here | 02:48 |
| MohammadAG | idk, haven't done enough to deserve one imho | 02:48 |
| crashanddie_ | X-Fade: Hey buddy, can you give a maemo/contributor/ to MohammadAG? Thanks | 02:49 |
| lcuk | +1 | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | LOL | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, disregard that one lol | 02:49 |
| lcuk | disregard his disregard | 02:49 |
| Robot101 | BELAY THAT ORDER!!! | 02:49 |
| crashanddie_ | +1 | 02:49 |
| lcuk | force one upon him if you can :D | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | disregard him asking you disregard my disregard | 02:49 |
| lcuk | lol | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | +to* | 02:49 |
| crashanddie_ | Robot101: STAND DOWN OFFICER | 02:49 |
| crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: actually, even without the to, that was grammatically correct | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | lol didn't think about it | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | it sounds better with to ;) | 02:50 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if lcuk is typing a long disregard chain :) | 02:51 | |
| MohammadAG | nah but seriously, I haven't done enough for the community :) | 02:51 |
| crashanddie_ | you're active in here mate, and aren't a falling star | 02:51 |
| lcuk | no im looking for which enterprise captain uses "BELAY THAT ORDER" most so i can photoshop Robot101 onto it | 02:51 |
| MohammadAG | LMAO | 02:51 |
| SpeedEvil | Picard I'd say | 02:52 |
| crashanddie_ | lcuk: picard | 02:52 |
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| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, well, I think others deserve it more than I do | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | dude, it's a free bloody thing | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | there's no merit attached to it | 02:53 |
| toresbe | Yes, we have a very limited supply of cloaks | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | it's a bloody cloak | 02:53 |
| toresbe | they are made individually by natives skilled in their craft | 02:53 |
| lcuk | those damned klingons stole them all | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | toresbe, thought so :P | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | come to think of it | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | we're running out of lines | 02:53 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, please have mine | 02:53 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm taking one for the team guys | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | o.O | 02:54 |
| crashanddie_ | or our channel is going to run out of allowed content | 02:54 |
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| toresbe | crashanddie_: You could win a lot by | 02:54 |
| toresbe | crashanddie_: using only one line per | 02:54 |
| toresbe | crashanddie_: sentence ;) | 02:54 |
| toresbe | crashanddie_: this isn't MSN | 02:54 |
| toresbe | crashanddie_: enter is not punctuation | 02:54 |
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| lcukn900 | ive never had a cloak on this account | 02:55 |
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| lcuk | and so many people pop in uncloaked, giving them something else | 02:55 |
| toresbe | Speaking of the cloak, it's way too late | 02:55 |
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| toresbe | I've got to set my alarm cloak and go to bed. Night. | 02:56 |
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| lcuk | gnite | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | night toresbe | 02:56 |
| crashanddie_ | night toresbe | 02:56 |
| toresbe | at this point, I realize it might be a good idea to turn _off_ the audible hilight notification | 02:57 |
| lcuk | :D | 02:57 |
| lcuk | and its about time i vanished as well | 02:57 |
| lcuk | \o gnite everyone | 02:57 |
| MohammadAG | Night lcuk :) | 02:57 |
| crashanddie_ | night guv | 02:57 |
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| MohammadAG | is it me or do these batteries look fake http://www.flickr.com/photos/c2x/4536448940/ | 03:00 |
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| dima202 | I can't figure out how to get http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/ into n900 repositories. I am editing /etc/init.d/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list. I'm not sure if this is correct deb http://repository.maemo.org/pool/ fremantle free non-free should work no? | 03:05 |
| MohammadAG | dima202, that's the SDK repository (and no) | 03:06 |
| MohammadAG | why are you adding the SDK repo? | 03:07 |
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| dima202 | there are some tools there that i need | 03:08 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: do you read what you write, sometimes? | 03:08 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: first of all, SDK will most probably break your device | 03:09 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: secondly, /etc/init.d/sources.list.d? | 03:09 |
| crashanddie_ | INIT.D? | 03:09 |
| dima202 | I understand the risk | 03:09 |
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| MohammadAG | dima202, as crashanddie_ said, it's not init.d it's etc | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | apt* | 03:09 |
| dima202 | i mean /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 03:09 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: that file is managed by the app manager | 03:10 |
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| marmoute | God, The maemo email client sux so much... don't even display attachement... | 03:10 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: the ones you want to add manually should go in /etc/apt/sources.list | 03:10 |
| dima202 | yeah but app manager is a bit slow so I am editing it manually | 03:10 |
| dima202 | oh ok | 03:10 |
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| MohammadAG | You will break your device deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free | 03:11 |
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| MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free for the tools | 03:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | dima202: Hast thy flasher readyeth, for thee will requireth its admonishment soon! Muwhahahahahaha | 03:13 |
| dima202 | hmm | 03:14 |
| crashanddie_ | it's amazing how well the <evil laugh> works with old english :P | 03:14 |
| dima202 | lol | 03:14 |
| crashanddie_ | You reckon 500 years ago, everyone used that laugh? | 03:14 |
| crashanddie_ | "What can I provide thee, my master?" "I shall require twices breades, and noint eggs, for I need breaking the feast to my family! Mhuwhahahahahahaha" <-- another sunday morning at the Nottingham bakery? | 03:16 |
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| dima202 | it keeps ading crap like /binary-armel/Packages | 03:17 |
| crashanddie_ | that's not crap dear, that's the contents of the repo | 03:18 |
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| crashanddie_ | yo sp3000 | 03:18 |
| dima202 | i see the contents, and it's not there | 03:18 |
| crashanddie_ | s/sp3000/SpeedEvil/ | 03:18 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: yo SpeedEvil | 03:18 |
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| dima202 | and because it's adding this i am getting 404s | 03:19 |
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| crashanddie_ | sp3000: sorry bru, got tab-pwned | 03:19 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: which part of "This will break your device" did you not fathom? | 03:19 |
| dima202 | Then let it break it, I want to get that repository on the device | 03:20 |
| crashanddie_ | then stop f'ing complaining that it doesn't work? | 03:20 |
| Macer | ugh | 03:20 |
| Macer | have to wait on this n900 to get here | 03:20 |
| dima202 | I just can't figure this thing out :( | 03:20 |
| Macer | it says friday | 03:21 |
| Macer | blah | 03:21 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: it's broken -- it's usually easier to pull the debs from debian and install directly on the device | 03:21 |
| Macer | hope maemo5 is maemo4 made better heh | 03:21 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: there's a few scripts that allow you to pull dependencies and sources directly from the debian repos, and compile in one go | 03:21 |
| crashanddie_ | Macer: oh it's different alright. | 03:21 |
| crashanddie_ | dima202: what tools do you need? | 03:22 |
| dima202 | crashanddie_: yeah, looks like i'll have to do it by hand because maemo keeps screwing me up | 03:22 |
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| dima202 | crashanddie_: all i wanted was screen | 03:22 |
| Macer | crashanddie_: different doesnt always mean better ;) | 03:23 |
| crashanddie_ | Macer: I never said it was | 03:23 |
| Macer | it does record h264 video ? | 03:23 |
| Macer | like n95 quality? | 03:23 |
| Macer | n95 did awesome video | 03:24 |
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| dima202 | it didnt go. It's hard for me to install screen. I'm going to have to dig a lot deeper into this rabbit hole | 03:28 |
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| pupnik | don't let the aspca find out | 03:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | Macer: don't think it's h264 | 03:43 |
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| crashanddie_ | "Worldwide, industry losses for passenger airlines and cargo companies could reach as much as $3 billion from the cloud, Helane Becker, an analyst with Jesup & Lamont Securities, told Reuters Insider on Monday. For U.S. airlines, she estimated the impact at $400 million to $600 million." | 03:51 |
| crashanddie_ | I guess that "The Cloud" isn't as good for the world as we first thought... Time to find a new buzzword | 03:52 |
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| pupnik | the impact isnt from the ash cloud | 03:55 |
| pupnik | it is from the idiot government bureaucracies | 03:55 |
| pupnik | you see how everyone is misled... | 03:55 |
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| crashanddie_ | pupnik: your conspiracy theories are getting old | 03:58 |
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| crashanddie_ | well, not your theories, your default statement that everything is a conspiracy | 03:58 |
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| crashanddie_ | I mean seriously, get a girlfriend, go out to the pub and chill | 03:58 |
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| pupnik | you have 1) a natural event plus 2) a nest of government bureaucracies which only _combined_ create a flight ban devastating the economy here | 04:02 |
| pupnik | now 1) was not preventable ... 2) was | 04:02 |
| crashanddie_ | so you'd rather see people fly to their deaths? | 04:03 |
| crashanddie_ | pupnik: trust me, seeing how bad the ash is sandpapering the planes, having them not fly at all is a good thing | 04:03 |
| crashanddie_ | Plus, countries are slowly re-opening their airspace | 04:03 |
| pupnik | you con | 04:03 |
| pupnik | nm | 04:03 |
| crashanddie_ | When each incident can cause multiple hundreds of deaths, playing it safe really is the only option -- regardless of money spent | 04:04 |
| pupnik | i would prefer to choose my level of risk myself, thank you | 04:05 |
| crashanddie_ | except you're not risking your own life matey | 04:05 |
| pupnik | those externalities are insurable | 04:05 |
| crashanddie_ | do you have your own plane, and can you fly it yourself? And can you ensure that you will not crash on some poor bloke's house? | 04:05 |
| crashanddie_ | if not, you have no right to expect anyone to take risks just because you want to go somewhere. Take a bloody boat. | 04:05 |
| pupnik | I am not the one advocating force and coercion here. | 04:06 |
| crashanddie_ | They did test flights, they are doing everything that is safely possible to get people moving again | 04:07 |
| pupnik | "they"? | 04:07 |
| crashanddie_ | european union? | 04:07 |
| pupnik | the *companies* did | 04:07 |
| crashanddie_ | This is what I hate about democracy -- and to a worse extent, the fact that these days, democracy = every fucking idiot can boast their most stupid ideas: if they don't allow people to fly, people complain, and if they allow people to fly, and they crash, people would complain, people would get sacked for negligence. | 04:08 |
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| MohammadAG | I see some similarity :P | 04:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | hehe | 04:10 |
| crashanddie_ | this is why people should vote, and then shut the fuck up | 04:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | if you're unhappy, step up, or step down | 04:10 |
| pupnik | the problem here as i see it, is most people being brainwashed with the expectation can or should attempt to make an inherently risky activity safer | 04:10 |
| MohammadAG | crashanddie_, you have been promoted *plays electronic guitar tone from CoD* | 04:10 |
| pupnik | the problem here as i see it, is most people being brainwashed with the expectation that Government can or should attempt to make an inherently risky activity safer | 04:11 |
| pupnik | sorry | 04:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | pupnik: agreed, I hate the nanny-state syndrome at least as much as you do | 04:11 |
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| crashanddie_ | pupnik: but it doesn't apply when there is a *real* or *unknown* risk | 04:11 |
| pupnik | the airlines wouldnt risk it | 04:12 |
| crashanddie_ | and in this case, the extent of the risk was very much unknown -- this is even worse than just knowing there is a risk | 04:12 |
| solarion | if you compile something with -DFOO=BAR how do you check what value FOO has (#if expression) | 04:12 |
| solarion | I'd rather not do -DFOO=<number> | 04:13 |
| pupnik | they would send up cargo flights around the edges of the "cloud" and empirically test | 04:13 |
| solarion | #if FOO == BAR doesn't seem to really work | 04:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | solarion: #ifdef FOO | 04:14 |
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| crashanddie_ | sorry, misread that, hang on | 04:15 |
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| solarion | crashanddie_: np | 04:16 |
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| solarion | I suppose internally it's not a huge deal, but sitll | 04:16 |
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| crashanddie_ | solarion: what are you trying to achieve? | 04:18 |
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| crashanddie_ | solarion: AFAIK, you can't actually check the value of anything else than a scalar value | 04:19 |
| solarion | crashanddie_: I have several LAPACK implementations that could be used, and I need to select apprpriate headers and things | 04:19 |
| solarion | I thought you could, but it seems to be failing | 04:19 |
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| solarion | It'd be more straightforward if I didn't have to have an implicit number-meaning association | 04:21 |
| crashanddie_ | "expression is a C expression of integer type [...]. It may contain: Integer constants, Character constants, Arithmetic, Identifiers, Macro calls." | 04:22 |
| crashanddie_ | solarion: how about simply using different directives? | 04:22 |
| solarion | looks like you're right :( | 04:22 |
| crashanddie_ | solarion: -DFIRST_IMPLEMENTATION or -DSECOND_IMPLEMENTATION | 04:22 |
| solarion | I'd rather not have to worry about FIRST_IMPLEMENTATION and SECOND_IMPLEMENTATION are defined | 04:22 |
| crashanddie_ | seems like it would be the easiest option | 04:23 |
| solarion | -DFOO=<num> has the distinct advantage of guaranteeing implicitly that we only have one option selected | 04:23 |
| crashanddie_ | then in your code simply have #ifdef FIRST_IMPLEMENTATION ... #elif defined SECOND_IMPLEMENTATION | 04:23 |
| crashanddie_ | so does elif ;) | 04:23 |
| solarion | I think I'll go with this for now | 04:23 |
| solarion | no, now you have an implicit conflict resolution | 04:24 |
| crashanddie_ | solarion: #gcc might offer more insightful advice though | 04:24 |
| crashanddie_ | my gcc skills are seriously limited | 04:24 |
| solarion | it's kind of finding the least crappy of crappy options. :) | 04:24 |
| solarion | this works for now, thnks | 04:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | GAN900: I whored about MWKN on meego-community, maybe we can get someone to finish my dodgy code | 04:41 |
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| gsever | hi, are there any bluetooth experts? | 05:02 |
| crashanddie_ | yup | 05:03 |
| crashanddie_ | well, there must be, otherwise bluetooth would never have come to existence | 05:03 |
| crashanddie_ | but here? No idea. | 05:03 |
| gsever | I am having problem to establish a bluetooth network between N900-maemo5 and Fedora 12 | 05:03 |
| gsever | hehe funny :) | 05:03 |
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| gsever | seems like the right words I am after are Bluetooth-PAN | 05:06 |
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| chantra | hi all, I am desperately looking into finding the meaning of the last to "byte" fields of | 05:34 |
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| chantra | dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.get_current_cell_info | 05:34 |
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| chantra | looks like the one before last is set to 2 in offline mode | 05:35 |
| chantra | and back to 0 in normal mode | 05:35 |
| chantra | saw it once with value 1, but not sure what it meant :s | 05:36 |
| chantra | any hints appreciated :) | 05:36 |
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| solarion | I am in business. Muah ha ha ha | 06:00 |
| solarion | fortran still sucks, tho | 06:01 |
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| * solarion now has a library to isolate the suck | 06:01 | |
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| crashanddie_ | lolz... | 06:04 |
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| crashanddie_ | I'm accessing Nokia's online documentation library | 06:04 |
| crashanddie_ | doing a search, and the system goes "Indexing: This happens the first time the search engine is used, and will only happen once" | 06:04 |
| crashanddie_ | good to see it's heavily used :P | 06:05 |
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| tonyyarusso | How do I disable automatic mounting to /media/mmc2? | 06:26 |
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| parim | is there an usable port of android for the n810? | 06:37 |
| crashanddie_ | parim: no | 06:42 |
| crashanddie_ | parim: I remember running it in some sort of virtual/emulated environment, but it was dog-slow | 06:43 |
| crashanddie_ | tonyyarusso: don't close the back cover? :P | 06:43 |
| tonyyarusso | crashanddie_: actually, I think I found something - I can change the mountpoint in /etc/osso-afsoemthing/af-defines.sh, which will do the trick. | 06:44 |
| tonyyarusso | Annoying that it doesn't honor /etc/fstab though. | 06:44 |
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| parim | crashanddie_: thanks | 06:46 |
| opdf2 | which site is fairly accurate for testing 3.5G speed? | 06:51 |
| opdf2 | I've been using the"iPhone browser Speed and Latency Test" from DSLreports, but dont think it is accurate | 06:51 |
| opdf2 | http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest | 06:51 |
| Surfa | server near you with relatively large file | 06:52 |
| Surfa | but cellular connections are somewhat unreliable too, so i don't know if it makes much difference | 06:53 |
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| tank-man | if it is unreliable, then that factors into your speed. | 06:53 |
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| tank-man | you can't try and ignore it | 06:54 |
| opdf2 | I'm using T-Mobile USA in Chicago, and am barely seeing 1Mbit/sec | 06:55 |
| opdf2 | latency is around 300 ms | 06:55 |
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| * crashanddie_ remember the days when V90 modems came out... Such speed at your home? Impossible! | 06:59 | |
| parim | opdf2:how may bars of network strength do you have right now? | 06:59 |
| crashanddie_ | And now people complain because they're barely seeing 20 times that speed whereever they are | 06:59 |
| opdf2 | hmm i got 2Mbit down 0.35Mbit up at speakeasy Chicago. thats better | 07:00 |
| opdf2 | 4 bars. | 07:00 |
| parim | out of 5? | 07:00 |
| opdf2 | guess that iphone test is not accurate | 07:00 |
| opdf2 | yes i think 5 is max | 07:01 |
| parim | 2Mbit down is pretty good | 07:01 |
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| opdf2 | okay cool | 07:01 |
| opdf2 | im cravin the 4G latency! | 07:02 |
| parim | i know cant wait for widespread adoption of wimix/lte | 07:04 |
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| crashanddie_ | wimax won't be adopted | 07:05 |
| crashanddie_ | wimax is dead | 07:05 |
| parim | i think what we will see is wimax for data and lte for voice. | 07:06 |
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| crashanddie_ | wanna bet? | 07:07 |
| opdf2 | yes in USA, sprint is investing a lot in 4G wimax | 07:07 |
| opdf2 | in Chicago, Sprint' Clearwire is penetrating the metro area | 07:08 |
| opdf2 | Comcast also resells clearwire | 07:08 |
| parim | i carry two phones and two N810, one phone is on plain old 2g GSM the other is on 3G and one of the N810`s is on wimax | 07:10 |
| parim | wimax here in india is amazing i get 10mbit symmetric | 07:11 |
| parim | my guess is that no one uses it. | 07:11 |
| tonyyarusso | Well now this is odd. Applications install, and can be run from the command line, but don't show up in the menus. They do however show up in the panel organization. | 07:12 |
| tonyyarusso | is there a command to rebuild the menu? | 07:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | parim: you just made half a channel go "OMG THEY HAVE ELECTRICITY IN INDIA????" | 07:25 |
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| opdf2 | parim: thats pretty amazing with 10mbit symmetric. Hows the latency | 07:26 |
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| parim | crashanddie_:"India has more mobile phones than toilets: UN report" http://bit.ly/indiacell | 07:28 |
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| parim | opdf2: its anywere between 50-200ms ususally around 100-125ms | 07:29 |
| opdf2 | wow, thats better than the wimax in chicago | 07:29 |
| opdf2 | alot better | 07:29 |
| Ken-Young | I wonder if India has more English speakers than any other country. | 07:29 |
| opdf2 | i'm guessing china does | 07:30 |
| parim | no is number2 | 07:30 |
| parim | to the usa | 07:30 |
| parim | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population | 07:30 |
| parim | opdf2:china is 18th | 07:31 |
| opdf2 | lol im way off | 07:31 |
| Ken-Young | Well, from the looks of that table, and the fact that India's population is expected to reach at least 1.3 Gigafolks, they'll have the most english speakers soon. | 07:33 |
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| parim | Ken-Young: i will agree with that. a lot of people in my gneration can read&&write&&speak only english, i cant really write/read my mother tounge. by the way im 18 | 07:35 |
| Ken-Young | parim, Wow - that | 07:36 |
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| Ken-Young | that's very surprising to me. | 07:36 |
| Ken-Young | parim, Are there more English speakers than Hindi speakers? | 07:37 |
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| oilinki | parim: if I recall correctly, India has more than 1000 different languages (at least dialects which differ a lot of each other) ? | 07:38 |
| parim | no, | 07:38 |
| parim | there are 442M hindi speakers | 07:38 |
| Ken-Young | Would Hindi be understood by, for example, a native Gujarati speaker, who had not received any Hindi language instruction? | 07:41 |
| parim | kind of, not always though | 07:41 |
| parim | oilinki: yea | 07:42 |
| Macer | anybody here use zimbra? | 07:48 |
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| otubo | Hello again, friends. Is there any trick to install minigpsd? | 07:54 |
| otubo | I am trying to use my n900 gps with google earth com my eeepc while making a trip. | 07:55 |
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| oilinki | parim: you reminded me to upload pictures from India to my website :) | 07:58 |
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| parim | oilinki:ohh so you were in India? | 07:58 |
| oilinki | parim: 3 times. work trips only. | 07:59 |
| parim | oilinki: Banglore? | 08:00 |
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| oilinki | parim: New Delhi, Kolkata and Munbai | 08:02 |
| parim | oilinki: if you dont mind me asking what carrer path are you in? | 08:02 |
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| oilinki | parim: I used to work for Nokia :) | 08:04 |
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| parim | oilinki: ohh thats amazing. i am looking for an intrnship with nokia. | 08:07 |
| crashanddie_ | how is "used to work for nokia" an answer to "what kind of job do you hold?" | 08:08 |
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| oilinki | well, sorry I don't think I can help with that anymore. Now doing my own thing | 08:08 |
| crashanddie_ | for all we know, that means you could've been an assembly drone, a dustbin cleaner, or a CTO. | 08:08 |
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| vasily_zajcev | hi | 08:09 |
| vasily_zajcev | is there any way to use conky (or something else) with matchbox? | 08:09 |
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| crashanddie_ | pryvit vasily_zajcev | 08:10 |
| oilinki | crashanddie: as an career path. Mobile applications, technical marketing, servers, tech project management etc. misc stuff. sometimes assembler etc. | 08:10 |
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| crashanddie_ | vasily_zajcev: matchbox? | 08:10 |
| vasily_zajcev | maemo default wm | 08:10 |
| crashanddie_ | on 770? | 08:11 |
| vasily_zajcev | n810 | 08:11 |
| parim | crashanddie: i dont think that an assembler or a dustbin cleaner would travel to india on busineess | 08:11 |
| crashanddie_ | parim: maybe he's very good at cleaning bins? | 08:12 |
| crashanddie_ | vasily_zajcev: conky should be in the repositories IIRC | 08:12 |
| parim | crashanddie_: good pint. | 08:13 |
| parim | *point | 08:13 |
| vasily_zajcev | there is a problem | 08:13 |
| vasily_zajcev | with double buffer | 08:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | vasily_zajcev: it goes white? | 08:14 |
| vasily_zajcev | just black | 08:14 |
| crashanddie_ | same difference | 08:15 |
| crashanddie_ | I'm afraid that qwerty stopped working on conky quite some time ago | 08:15 |
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| vasily_zajcev | the problem is that wallpaper system inadequate ) | 08:16 |
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| oilinki | parim: here we go. some pictures http://oilinki.com/gallery/india | 08:23 |
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| parim | oilinki: intresting that you share the same last name as oli pekka | 08:26 |
| Macer | can n900 microb render ajax zimbra | 08:27 |
| Macer | is what i was wondering | 08:27 |
| Macer | i know i filed a bug for maemo4 and someone left a comment saying it renders on the n900 just fine | 08:27 |
| Macer | also. how are they advertizing 1GB of ram? | 08:27 |
| Macer | i thought omap3 was limited to 256 or so | 08:27 |
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| oilinki | parim: ? pekka is first name. | 08:28 |
| microlith | Macer: 768MB of swap | 08:28 |
| parim | Macer: if you have a zimbra server, you can create a test account and someone here will check it out, | 08:28 |
| parim | oilinki: i am sorry, | 08:28 |
| parim | oilinki: i messed up | 08:29 |
| oilinki | parim: mai pen rai. eg. no problem :) | 08:29 |
| microlith | Macer: any idea what FF version the maemo4 version of microb is based on? | 08:30 |
| parim | oilinki: if you dont mind, what phone(s) do you use currently | 08:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | Macer: not based off firefox | 08:31 |
| oilinki | parim: very old one. I have not bought phones for an long time. | 08:32 |
| crashanddie_ | Macer: microb uses gecko for rendering, and Nokia UI | 08:32 |
| parim | oilinki: N95? | 08:32 |
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| oilinki | old e-series | 08:33 |
| parim | ohh ok, | 08:33 |
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| Macer | heh | 08:35 |
| Macer | dont know but bug said maemo5 microb worked | 08:35 |
| Macer | but am not sure if it was for ajax | 08:35 |
| Macer | so 256+swap = 1G? | 08:36 |
| viliny | is ajax client sided? | 08:36 |
| microlith | Macer: yes | 08:36 |
| Macer | not sure really | 08:36 |
| Macer | microlith: hope it is fast swap | 08:36 |
| Macer | my n900 should be here soon | 08:37 |
| microlith | eh, it's on the 32GB eMMC | 08:37 |
| Macer | have to see if tmob will clone my sim | 08:37 |
| Macer | so i dont have to keep swapping | 08:37 |
| microlith | I turned swappiness down and haven't had any issues | 08:37 |
| microlith | the best thing to do is tone down the transition effects | 08:37 |
| Macer | heh.. no sacrifices! | 08:37 |
| Macer | mostly same apps on maemo5? | 08:37 |
| crashanddie_ | microlith: sorry, those two things were for you | 08:38 |
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| microlith | crashanddie: yeah, gathered that | 08:38 |
| microlith | mm, if you're asking relative to maemo4, I'll have to let someone else answer | 08:38 |
| crashanddie_ | timeless: you awake? | 08:38 |
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| parim | this is not specifically related to maemo, does any onw know where I can get a nokia fls-5 or a fps-20 ? | 08:41 |
| crashanddie_ | parim: ebay | 08:42 |
| parim | crashanddie_: i have been lookin for a week now and cant really find them online. | 08:44 |
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| viliny | microlith: how do you turn down transition effects? | 08:47 |
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| Vanadis_Work | viliny, by replacing the original transitions.ini with a modded one | 08:47 |
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| Chiku|dc | macer, I use zimbra ajax it is just very very slow | 08:50 |
| viliny | Thank you Vanadis_Work will have to try and find a guide | 08:50 |
| Vanadis_Work | wait, just searching the thread | 08:50 |
| Chiku|dc | and by default it"s standard html | 08:50 |
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| tonyyarusso | Okay guys, I need some help here. When I install applications, they're not showing up in the applications menu. They get added to ~/.osso/menus/applications.menu , but aren't actually in the menu when I click. (even after reboot) | 08:52 |
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| Vanadis_Work | viliny, | 08:54 |
| Vanadis_Work | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43964 | 08:54 |
| viliny | Thanks again Vanadis_Work :) | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 08:58 |
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| crashanddie_ | lol... | 09:04 |
| crashanddie_ | just heard a government worker (well, co-worker I guess), outside my cubicle talking to another guy: "You heading home? Did you finish xyz?" "Yeah, I was going to, but then i couldn't be bothered anymore" "What do you mean?" "This job sucks" | 09:05 |
| crashanddie_ | "Oh, ok, have a nice evening" | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 09:05 |
| crashanddie_ | morning Stskeeps, how you doing? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for the final cancellation of my flight | 09:07 |
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| crashanddie_ | ah | 09:08 |
| crashanddie_ | here's me hoping my flight from oz to eu will not be tampered with next week | 09:08 |
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| ds3 | is it getting cold there with the lack of sun? | 09:08 |
| crashanddie_ | ds3: no impact | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | was quite nice and warm here in .pl | 09:09 |
| crashanddie_ | ds3: it's not like it's feckin black sky or anything | 09:09 |
| ds3 | where's the volcanic winter :D | 09:09 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: how's it looking, are the airlines talking? | 09:09 |
| viliny | anyone else get their hair caught in the phone when talking? | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: they're complaining loudly | 09:09 |
| viliny | i have like a 3mm shave | 09:09 |
| ds3 | hair? aren't we all bald? :D | 09:10 |
| crashanddie_ | ds3: you do realise volcanic winter requires an ash-cloud covering 40% of the planet, and 6 months continuous darkness | 09:10 |
| crashanddie_ | viliny: yeah, happens to me all the time | 09:10 |
| ds3 | crashandie: :) | 09:10 |
| crashanddie_ | viliny: pretty painful if you ask me | 09:10 |
| viliny | sometimes yeah :P | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: as test flights in amsterdam and frankfurt didn't cause any problems | 09:10 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: good | 09:10 |
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| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: but there's increased output from the volcano so things might change a bit | 09:11 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: frankfurt? I thought Germany kept its runways closed? | 09:11 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah I heard | 09:11 |
| crashanddie_ | man this sucks | 09:11 |
| crashanddie_ | I don't want to come back home by boat | 09:11 |
| ds3 | didn't they say a few days ago that there were no more snow to melt and cause more explosive eruptions and now they say there is a second one coming? :D | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: yes, but test flights | 09:11 |
| crashanddie_ | ds3: stfu | 09:12 |
| crashanddie_ | Stskeeps: restrain me | 09:12 |
| ds3 | 'k | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | crashanddie_: no thanks, i'll let your girlfriends do that :P | 09:13 |
| crashanddie_ | I heard that the UK is deploying its navy, amongst which a planer carrier | 09:13 |
| crashanddie_ | s/planer/plane/ | 09:13 |
| infobot | crashanddie_ meant: I heard that the UK is deploying its navy, amongst which a plane carrier | 09:13 |
| viliny | that was discussed here yesterday i think | 09:13 |
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| crashanddie_ | though, I called the UK, and they said my boat would only arrive in roughly 3 months | 09:14 |
| crashanddie_ | so I'm thinking I might jump onboard one of those little boats they smuggle people into the country with (into oz, that is) | 09:14 |
| crashanddie_ | Lion King's "Let me out, let me out; let me in, let me in" comes to mind. | 09:15 |
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| crashanddie_ | "Apple requests return of lost iPhone prototype" | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | heh, way to indicate it's real | 09:20 |
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| crashanddie_ | aye | 09:20 |
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| crashanddie_ | lol... One of the comments on that story says "If I found that phone, I would bargain with Steve to get a free iPad 64GB 3G in exchange" | 09:21 |
| crashanddie_ | you idiot. If you found that phone, you could ask for a hundred iPads and still get away with it. | 09:21 |
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| viliny | like anyone would like iProducts anyway :) | 09:22 |
| crashanddie_ | viliny: I'm buying an Ipad as soon as it comes out in europe, methink | 09:23 |
| crashanddie_ | +s | 09:23 |
| crashanddie_ | The guy who found it and sent it to Gizmodo/Engadget was smart though, he didn't boast about it on the interwebs, and his name never came up. | 09:23 |
| viliny | okay i can respect that, but for what reason exactly? | 09:23 |
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| crashanddie_ | viliny: mainly as a living room computer | 09:23 |
| viliny | isn't it kinda limited for that? | 09:23 |
| viliny | i mean, a laptop would be so much better and maybe even cheaper? | 09:24 |
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| crashanddie_ | viliny: I hate picking up the full laptop when in the living room -- way too antisocial, and I may use it for longer than an N900's allows for | 09:24 |
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| viliny | okay... well scott kurtz wrote that you kinda need to buy the rubber cover to have a proper grip on the thing if thats of any help to know | 09:25 |
| crashanddie_ | whereas an iPad would give you the same social context as say, reading the newspaper | 09:25 |
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| crashanddie_ | not as involved as a laptop, more comfortable than a phone | 09:25 |
| crashanddie_ | yeah, but I won't get the Apple extras | 09:25 |
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| crashanddie_ | they're expensive and quite crappy -- and ugly | 09:25 |
| crashanddie_ | and also, just for the hell of having an extra gadget ;) | 09:26 |
| crashanddie_ | I bought the iPod Touch when it came out, just for the hell of it, played with it for a while, then gave it to my mum as I left France | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a smartq r7 | 09:26 |
| Macer | Chiku|dc: have you tried using zimbra through clients? | 09:26 |
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| Macer | i think the one i am most interested in is webdav | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/07/smart-devices-announces-r7-e-book-reader-to-a-world-in-apathy/ | 09:27 |
| Macer | so i can access briefcases on the n900 and ul/dl to them | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | (if it's as hackable) | 09:27 |
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| Macer | i dont know what zimbra is doing to the docs section but the new beta spreadsheet and document ajax stuff looks promising but i wish it would store them in ooffice format | 09:28 |
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| Macer | that would be awesome | 09:28 |
| viliny | i can't bring myself to like iphones or ipads one bit... so damn closed and elitist - but opinions are like aholes i guess. I went to the store and this guy behind the counter started talking about his new iphone and junk and i told him i got a new phone too and whipped out the N900 - to my surprise he just went "oh... the N900" and stopped talking about his phone. | 09:28 |
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| Macer | it kind of looks like they might eliminate the docs tab altogether | 09:29 |
| viliny | oc to 900mhz and transition ini mod - can i get a hell yeah for lightning fast :) | 09:30 |
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| yigal | I ask periodically and I guess I will now, does anyone use there n900 for taking hand drawn notes for lectures? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | yigal: i did a bit on my n8x0 but i think n900 might be too small for it | 09:30 |
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| crashanddie_ | viliny: You have assholes everywhere. Some people buy the iPhone because it's the flavour of the day, some buy it because it's the only phone their company will allow except for a Blackberry. I loved my blackberry (I wouldn't use any other phone for business), and I can understand the appeal of the iPhone for most people. I think it's not the most "Open Minded" approach to slam all users of a specific device for no other reaso | 09:31 |
| yigal | Stskeeps: darn, yes, that was my feeling. It's a real shame there is really no better device than the n8x0 for this right now | 09:31 |
| crashanddie_ | yigal: pen and paper? | 09:32 |
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| yigal | crashanddie_: yes, but to be able to do all one's notes on a computer you can organize them on, add to them etc. is revolutionary, pencil/paper is not as good | 09:33 |
| crashanddie_ | As in, you can't organise papers? | 09:33 |
| crashanddie_ | You can't add to paper copies? | 09:33 |
| yigal | crashanddie_: you are creating strawmen or you haven't thought it through | 09:34 |
| yigal | have all your notes on one machine | 09:34 |
| crashanddie_ | Have all your notes in one folder? | 09:34 |
| crashanddie_ | I guess it depends for everyone | 09:34 |
| yigal | have them organized better than any paper/pencil method | 09:34 |
| crashanddie_ | But I've never been beaten by a computer when I'm using pen and paper for taking down notes | 09:34 |
| yigal | of course because all the technology up until now stunk for this sort of thing | 09:35 |
| yigal | the technology is almost here | 09:35 |
| crashanddie_ | the keyword being "almost" | 09:35 |
| yigal | but not quite | 09:35 |
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| yigal | yes, I will admit it | 09:36 |
| crashanddie_ | tactile feedback: I can't press hard on a screen, because it's so silky, I don't feel how much distance I've covered | 09:36 |
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| wazd_e63 | Moaning people | 09:36 |
| yigal | crashanddie_: pressure sensitive resistive screens | 09:36 |
| yigal | it's tactile | 09:36 |
| crashanddie_ | I can write blindly on paper, I can't do the same on a device. I can organise all my papers around me on a big desk, look at all of them in one go, stack them as I need to -- no software can emulate that | 09:37 |
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| viliny | i just sketched a doddle on my n900 and i don't i would want to write stuff with it | 09:37 |
| crashanddie_ | The human mind is a messy thing, viliny, have you seen the stacker talk on TED? | 09:38 |
| viliny | i have not | 09:38 |
| yigal | crashanddie_: I usually like TED | 09:38 |
| yigal | is it a new one | 09:38 |
| crashanddie_ | no, old one | 09:38 |
| crashanddie_ | http://www.ted.com/talks/anand_agarawala_demos_his_bumptop_desktop.html | 09:38 |
| viliny | hehe, fun thing | 09:39 |
| yigal | well I'm almost sure what would work for me, and I'm gonna find a way to implement it, very soon. ty crashanddie for the critical feedback, need to sleep, night | 09:39 |
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| crashanddie_ | wow, first time I've been thanked for my "critical feedback" when I was being a troll | 09:44 |
| crashanddie_ | sweet! | 09:44 |
| noobmonk3y | lol! | 09:44 |
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| Anss| | viliny, your kung fu is strong :) | 09:49 |
| viliny | how so? :) | 09:49 |
| Anss| | You were comparing phones and suddenly you draw your hidden weapon of choice which shuts up other totally | 09:51 |
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| wazd_e63 | Oh crap, live wallpapers have lost russian n900 dev contest | 09:51 |
| viliny | Anss|: oh yeah, that... yeah :D | 09:51 |
| wazd_e63 | Fuck that | 09:51 |
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| Stskeeps | wazd_e63: :( | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_e63: who won then? | 09:52 |
| wazd_e63 | They have chosen fucking alarm clock | 09:52 |
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| Stskeeps | well, the alarm clock does suck.. | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:53 |
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| viliny | anyone have any nice sites with good themes for the phone? | 09:53 |
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| Macer | hm | 09:57 |
| Macer | guess i will find something useful for my n810 | 09:58 |
| Macer | maybe a glorified mp3 player | 09:58 |
| Macer | i was going to stick it in my everyday car since my truck already has nav in it and use it for carman but i have a 1994 caprice that uses some oddball obd 1.5 crap | 09:59 |
| Macer | i just want my n900 to play with.. anybody here get a cloned sim from tmob? | 10:00 |
| viliny | a what? | 10:00 |
| viliny | ah nevermind | 10:00 |
| Macer | i still have a g1 | 10:00 |
| noobmonk3y | :P | 10:00 |
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| Macer | figured i would use that if i was going somewhere i didnt want to take my n900 | 10:00 |
| noobmonk3y | viliny, not seen any theme sites, but there is a wallpapers one | 10:00 |
| noobmonk3y | ask andrewfblack on tmo if you wanna know anything about themes :D | 10:01 |
| viliny | yeah, im checking maemo talk at the moment | 10:01 |
| noobmonk3y | he posts threads about themes, closes you will prob get :P | 10:01 |
| noobmonk3y | closest* | 10:01 |
| viliny | :) thanks noobmonk3y | 10:01 |
| noobmonk3y | :D :D | 10:02 |
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| noobmonk3y | meh, gtttttttt tmo | 10:08 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:19 |
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| SuRfDeMoN | Morning | 10:20 |
| noobmonk3y | morning | 10:20 |
| noobmonk3y | and meh.... work | 10:20 |
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| RST38h | <yawn>? | 10:30 |
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| X-Fade | Morning | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | morning X-Fade | 10:35 |
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| wazd_e63 | Rst38h, X-Fade: lo chaps :) | 10:40 |
| wazd_e63 | Jaffa: heya | 10:40 |
| thresh | anyone here uses foursquare? | 10:40 |
| wazd_e63 | thresh: I'm too paranoid :D | 10:41 |
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| wazd_e63 | Rst38h: can you beleive it, live wallpapers have lost n900 contest. The winner is fake (not working) ararm clock from the guy who already have n900 | 10:43 |
| wazd_e63 | Has | 10:43 |
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| wazd_e63 | For god sake, when I'll learn to place has/have automaticaly... | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's better than polish who continously forget the word 'the' | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | correcting a master's thesis in english was a nightmare | 10:45 |
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| wazd_e63 | Stskeeps: hehe :) | 10:52 |
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| * Jaffa 's flight today has just been cancelled. | 11:01 | |
| noobmonk3y | :( | 11:01 |
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| noobmonk3y | by the sounds of it, the only flight that made it out of glasgow today was a flight to iceland, ironic ;) | 11:02 |
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| mece | omgomgomgomgomg | 11:03 |
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| mece | you seen this: http://projectlondonmovie.com/ | 11:03 |
| wazd_e63 | Jaffa: damn | 11:05 |
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| Jaffa | More time in Stockholm. | 11:06 |
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| jacekowski | morning | 11:06 |
| frals | Jaffa: at least its nice weather today | 11:06 |
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| noobmonk3y | frals - not raining bacon sarnies? :) | 11:08 |
| frals | hehe | 11:08 |
| frals | 15 C and barely a cloud ;) | 11:08 |
| Jaffa | frals: beautiful | 11:08 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 11:09 |
| joga | why doesn't /etc/init.d/ssh stop not stop sshd? | 11:10 |
| joga | -not | 11:10 |
| flux | how do you determine that it doesn't? | 11:10 |
| joga | with pgrep I see the process is there | 11:10 |
| flux | well, are you logged in? | 11:11 |
| joga | also if I kill it it spawns it again | 11:11 |
| joga | no | 11:11 |
| flux | oh, well | 11:11 |
| flux | perhaps it's handled by upstart then | 11:11 |
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| timeless | anyone here know the person who works on extended call log? | 11:22 |
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| noobmonk3y | timeless: Niqbal, but don't really know him - http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=29731 | 11:47 |
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| hrw | hi | 11:47 |
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| hrw | you know what? I think that extras* packages should have bugtracker link as link to bugtracker not just email | 11:48 |
| Stskeeps | that discussion is kinda old though, originally email wasn't OK i think | 11:50 |
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| mece | pixelpipe pulled from iphone a while back. wtf? | 11:59 |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | walled gardens.. comparable to the paradise garden where god threw out adam and eve for not conforming to the rules :P | 12:01 |
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| drzz | mankind wasn't thrown out of Eden - they chose to live in such a way that they abandoned/destroyed it themselves | 12:03 |
| Khertan | Hi ! | 12:03 |
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| drzz | Hey Khertan | 12:04 |
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| viliny | i the dropbear ssh server the one the majority uses? | 12:25 |
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| nid0 | no | 12:27 |
| nid0 | use openssh | 12:27 |
| wazd_e63 | Khertan: heya | 12:27 |
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| viliny | thanks nid0 | 12:30 |
| viliny | anyone else have others calling you saying that the sound is very heavy on treble and echoes? | 12:30 |
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| Khertan | heya wackl | 12:32 |
| Khertan | heya wazd_e63 | 12:32 |
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| viliny | sudo reboot now didn't quite work as i'd had imagined... left the phone in a weird state where i had to push the power button several times to get it back to life | 12:39 |
| dockside | shutdown -r now ? | 12:40 |
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| noobmonk3y | Hey Khertan | 12:41 |
| Khertan | hi noobmonk3y | 12:41 |
| noobmonk3y | :D | 12:42 |
| viliny | dockside: yeah im starting to wonder what it really was that i typed in :) | 12:42 |
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| timeless_mbp | noobmonk3y: thanks | 12:50 |
| noobmonk3y | np :D | 12:50 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey, how do i find the bug tracker for an app, e.g. extended call log? | 12:53 |
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| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: http://maemo.org/packages/view/extcalllog/ | 12:54 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: which points to: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Extended%20Call%20Log | 12:54 |
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| pupnik | "how do i find" = ask X-Fade :) | 12:55 |
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| timeless_mbp | pupnik: i use #maemo, it works :) | 12:56 |
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| X-Fade | Alternative is to go to Downloads and search for the app. Bugtracker link is there too. | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | the problem is that as an n900 user, i don't see downloads in my normal workflow | 12:56 |
| timeless_mbp | someone needs to make an apt-manager that lets me see this stuff from my device :) | 12:57 |
| X-Fade | timeless_mbp: That is what we are planning for appdownloader. | 12:57 |
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| X-Fade | In fact it has a 'report a bug' button already. | 12:58 |
| timeless_mbp | can i install that today? | 12:58 |
| X-Fade | Yes. | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Although I don't think the button works yet ;) | 12:59 |
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| timeless_mbp | ... | 12:59 |
| X-Fade | Ask danielwilms ;) | 12:59 |
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| danielwilms | timeless_mbp wait until the end of the week...but I can put as well a newer version into extras-devel a bit sooner... | 13:01 |
| danielwilms | timeless_mbp the version, which is available there is pretty old | 13:01 |
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| pupnik | cool project danielwilms | 13:03 |
| danielwilms | pupnik thx :) | 13:03 |
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| timeless_mbp | hrm | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | i think my mbp's display *failed* | 13:06 |
| pupnik | oh dear | 13:06 |
| pupnik | did you see danielwilms response timeless_mbp ? | 13:06 |
| timeless_mbp | 2 lines, yes | 13:07 |
| pupnik | ok | 13:07 |
| timeless_mbp | danielwilms: i'm 99% certain the [x] you're using at the top right is incorrectly positioned with the wrong size | 13:08 |
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| timeless_mbp | also, 'loading' should be centered and Sentence caps'd :) | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | and you should use the theme's <-\ arrow, instead of your own < arrow :) | 13:08 |
| timeless_mbp | danielwilms: is it possible for me to have appdownloader show me my _installed_ apps instead of available ones? | 13:09 |
| danielwilms | timeless_mbp loading is a loading indicator now and no text anymore | 13:09 |
| timeless_mbp | appdownloader crashed :) | 13:10 |
| timeless_mbp | appdownloader-74ba-6-2754 | 13:10 |
| danielwilms | timeless_mbp there bug was, when you went back and not all screenshots were loaded...that was bad, but it is fixed now := | 13:11 |
| danielwilms | :) | 13:11 |
| timeless_mbp | please upload a better version :) | 13:11 |
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| danielwilms | will do | 13:11 |
| danielwilms | as I said ;) | 13:12 |
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| danielwilms | there is a reason, why it is not in testing yet ;) | 13:12 |
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| timeless_mbp | thanks | 13:17 |
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| danielwilms | timeless_mbp I will let you know, when there is the updated version | 13:21 |
| timeless_mbp | ham should too ;-) | 13:21 |
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| vblazquez | hi! i'm trying to build a package, i followed the guide from talk.maemo.org and i built it succesfully but it only works with dpkg -i package.deb not under app manager, there's something special to do? | 13:23 |
| amigadave | vblazquez: lots of information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging | 13:24 |
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| vblazquez | amigadave: i did it! | 13:24 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, it seems that my display just went into 'off so you can use just the external display', unplugging that got my display back.... | 13:24 |
| vblazquez | i can install my package with dpkg but the app manager says that is not installabe | 13:25 |
| amigadave | ah ok, does it give any reasons? missing dependencies? | 13:25 |
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| vblazquez | in description, says package of application not compatible :S | 13:29 |
| vblazquez | i built it with scratchbox | 13:30 |
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| timeless_mbp | wrong arch? | 13:31 |
| timeless_mbp | did you build for intel? | 13:31 |
| vblazquez | i did with armel | 13:31 |
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| vblazquez | i'm gonna try with intel | 13:31 |
| vblazquez | anyway, sounds weird, because i can install with dpkg -i , and it works fine | 13:32 |
| timeless_mbp | can you pastebin debian/control ? | 13:33 |
| timeless_mbp | ok, so arch isn't the right reason | 13:33 |
| vblazquez | sure | 13:34 |
| vblazquez | wait | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | err, did you use ham with 'install from file' | 13:34 |
| timeless_mbp | or did you create a repository? | 13:34 |
| vblazquez | install from file | 13:35 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders why that usually fails | 13:35 | |
| vblazquez | http://pastebin.ca/1869397 | 13:35 |
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| timeless_mbp | it's probably in the wrong section | 13:36 |
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| timeless_mbp | yes | 13:36 |
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| MohammadAG | user/games | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | sections should be user/* not foo | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | he beat me to it | 13:36 |
| amigadave | that is covered in the wiki page :P | 13:36 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 13:36 |
| vblazquez | ok | 13:36 |
| vblazquez | i'll try again | 13:36 |
| ccooke | drat it. | 13:36 |
| vblazquez | thanks! :) | 13:36 |
| * ccooke can't find the note he took with the address to send his pre-release n900 back to... | 13:37 | |
| Stskeeps | ccooke: it's on talk.maemo.org | 13:37 |
| ccooke | Stskeeps: it is? Damn, I must fail utterly at searching this morning :-) | 13:37 |
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| MohammadAG | ccooke, I think they'll send you more than another letter if you don't find it :P | 13:39 |
| vblazquez | it works! thanks to all :) | 13:39 |
| viliny | any fun shell scripts i could play with on my ssh connection to the phone? | 13:42 |
| viliny | cmatrix isn't there :) | 13:42 |
| ccooke | viliny: what do you want to do? ;-) | 13:42 |
| viliny | just see my phone do something :) | 13:43 |
| Lumpio- | Fork bomb | 13:43 |
| MiXu- | How do I take a screenshot in scratchbox? | 13:43 |
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| viliny | fork bomb sounds bad :P | 13:45 |
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| MohammadAG | MiXu-, print screenshot? | 13:45 |
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| ccooke | viliny: it'll only kill your battery and cause you to have to reboot. | 13:48 |
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| ccooke | So, basically, don't type this into the shell : ":(){ :|:&}" (deliberately unfinished) ;-) | 13:48 |
| MiXu- | MohammadAG: I'd prefer using the native screenshot mechanism instead | 13:48 |
| MohammadAG | could be ctrl shit p | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | not sure though | 13:49 |
| MiXu- | I tried that but it does nothing | 13:49 |
| MohammadAG | MiXu-, ubuntu? | 13:50 |
| ccooke | (Of course, my loaner n900 has been dead for a bit due to usb port brokenness, but we've been using it via a battery charger :-) | 13:50 |
| MiXu- | MohammadAG: yes | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | MiXu-, applications - accessories take screenshot | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | it allows you to select window | 13:50 |
| MohammadAG | (without the border) | 13:51 |
| MiXu- | Oh, cool. That works | 13:51 |
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| noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: (Whilst on boring telecons - managed to get colours working on the tabs :| ) | 13:55 |
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| MohammadAG | lol | 13:55 |
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| wazd | and hello again | 14:23 |
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| viliny | anyone have a handy current resistance calculator for finding out the right resistor to drop voltage to a certain level? | 14:24 |
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| Kurppa_ | You could have typed that into google. | 14:26 |
| viliny | trying hard :) | 14:26 |
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| vanadismobile | hai | 14:30 |
| vanadismobile | is there any tower defense for the n900? | 14:30 |
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| noobmonk3y_work | vanadismobile: no but i would love one¬! | 14:36 |
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| vanadismobile | well, then we have a new project | 14:37 |
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| nid0 | fucking car dealers :@ | 14:38 |
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| hrw | how often do I have to reboot n900 to do not have lagggy phone? | 14:53 |
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| lcuk | hrw i dont reboot phone - can you record a slice and let me look how laggy it gets before you give up and reboot | 14:54 |
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| Disconnect | lcuk: i just got it yesterday and i'll see what i can do to get you a vid tonight. gets to where even trying to lock it (hw lock) will sit there for a minute or more before a bunch of things happen.. | 15:01 |
| hrw | lcuk: cant | 15:01 |
| viliny | any way to toggle hideuseragent without having to uninstall it every time? | 15:02 |
| Disconnect | and i'd kill for a hardware desktop button, but maybe thats just my android roots showing ;) | 15:02 |
| * noobmonk3y_work is coming to terms with no CSS for Qlistwidgets :| :| :| | 15:02 | |
| Disconnect | (actually, no, its not, cuz my 770/n800 both have it too) | 15:02 |
| hrw | Disconnect: apt-get install shortcutd | 15:02 |
| Disconnect | hrw: saw that in the repo, haven't installed it yet. bbiab tho gotta go to work | 15:03 |
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| MohammadAG_ | E72 updated | 15:04 |
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| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y_work, you might be right after all | 15:04 |
| * noobmonk3y_work right? neveeeeeer | 15:05 | |
| noobmonk3y_work | i make a living out of proving myself wrong ;) | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG_ | noobmonk3y_work, PR1. 2 | 15:05 |
| * MohammadAG_ didn't want to ping most ppl on here so he added a space | 15:06 | |
| noobmonk3y_work | lol tomorrow/thurs? | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | idk | 15:06 |
| noobmonk3y_work | :P | 15:06 |
| MohammadAG_ | but, N86, 5800, E72, E66, they all got updated | 15:06 |
| hrw | MohammadAG_: but symbian is other part of nokia | 15:06 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hrw, I'm just saying | 15:07 |
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| MohammadAG_ | I never said they were both the same thing | 15:07 |
| noobmonk3y_work | hehehe | 15:07 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG_: any changelog for e66? | 15:08 |
| hrw | MohammadAG_: mine here runs 210 FW still | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | sec | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | LOL | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | 410 is the latest afaik | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG_ | still got to update my dad's E66 | 15:08 |
| hrw | MohammadAG_: I would have to change product code | 15:08 |
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| MohammadAG_ | hrw, changed it here | 15:08 |
| hrw | MohammadAG_: and I do not remember when last time I used e66 | 15:09 |
| hrw | probably need to sell it | 15:09 |
| MohammadAG_ | hrw, http://zomgitscj.com/the-nokia-e71-nokia-e66-and-nokia-e63-gets-a-firmware-update-to-version-410-21-010/ | 15:09 |
| hrw | thx | 15:09 |
| * MohammadAG_ adds e71 and e63 to the above list | 15:09 | |
| MohammadAG_ | brb | 15:09 |
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| hrw | MohammadAG_: e63 is stripped down e71 ;D | 15:09 |
| Surfa | e71 410 series fw is btw pretty good | 15:09 |
| Surfa | it fixes most of my problems | 15:10 |
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| andrewfblack | whats the command for screenshot Ctrl I or Ctrl P? | 15:19 |
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| hrw | shiftctrlp | 15:19 |
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| andrewfblack | hrw: thanks forgot the shift part no wonder it wouldn't work. I forgot you have to break your hand to do them | 15:20 |
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| viliny | any chromium users here? | 15:23 |
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| noobmonk3y_work | viliny: i think none alive ;) | 15:29 |
| viliny | :) | 15:29 |
| * noobmonk3y_work prods MohammadAG - which username are you using? | 15:29 | |
| viliny | any idea if it supports html5 youtube? | 15:29 |
| FlavioFerreiraBR | someone have been used QMaemo5valuebutton ? | 15:29 |
| kamui_ | viliny | 15:29 |
| kamui_ | its slow as a sack | 15:29 |
| * ccooke wonders if there will be a summit this year... and, if there is one, what it will be about :-) | 15:29 | |
| noobmonk3y_work | sorry FlavioFerreiraBR never used it | 15:29 |
| * noobmonk3y_work has gone for foooooooood | 15:30 | |
| viliny | kamui_: yes, i noticed :/ and the scrollbar is a b#"¤ to use | 15:30 |
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| FlavioFerreiraBR | i am using. But i want change the color of layouttext | 15:31 |
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| ccooke | (ah, I see there is a meego summit/conference. yay) | 15:32 |
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| Khertan | oh ... seems i'm not the only one to do his own repository for fremantle | 15:32 |
| kamui_ | viliny: you can use the chrome touch plugin | 15:33 |
| kamui_ | makes life with the browser a lot easier | 15:33 |
| kamui_ | as long as you aren't trying to look at flash content chrome isn't too bad | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | * noobmonk3y_work prods MohammadAG - which username are you using? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | ? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | oh nvm | 15:33 |
| kamui_ | but honestly, nothing doing compared to the MicroB, especially when the N900 is overclocked | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG_ | is there something similar to sudoers on Ubuntu? | 15:34 |
| lcuk | oooo my laser cut stands have arrived | 15:34 |
| ccooke | lcuk: nice? | 15:34 |
| lcuk | extremely | 15:34 |
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| lcuk | the stylus sits on the front very much like a samurai sword :D | 15:35 |
| ccooke | sounds more like a display case than a useful one, then ;-) | 15:35 |
| lcuk | the 900 is ontop :p | 15:35 |
| lcuk | its same job as my cig packet anyway | 15:36 |
| Khertan | lol | 15:36 |
| MohammadAG_ | brb | 15:37 |
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| lcuk | charles are you coming to meego conf too then? | 15:37 |
| lcuk | errr ccooke ^ | 15:37 |
| viliny | kamui_: is HTML5 video coming to microb? | 15:38 |
| ccooke | lcuk: If I can, I will (and hey, charles *is* my name. I just don't use it if I can help it ;-) | 15:38 |
| lcuk | heh | 15:40 |
| viliny | anyone here running n900 at 1ghz? | 15:40 |
| ccooke | I may not actually have time to do any of the dev work I want to anytime soon, but... | 15:40 |
| lcuk | did you ever get motivated for your scriptable system doofer | 15:40 |
| lcuk | then no lol | 15:40 |
| ccooke | lcuk: started, got snowed under at work. | 15:40 |
| jacekowski | http://i.imgur.com/yDlM5.jpg | 15:40 |
| ccooke | I'm trying to claw back to something more reasonable now, but I had a period of working until eleven a day or two per week... | 15:41 |
| lcuk | ccooke, yeah we all get sidetracked | 15:41 |
| * lcuk knows that feeling | 15:41 | |
| lcuk | hope you find your balance | 15:41 |
| ccooke | Cheers. I have about three things I really want to get *right*... and no time to do them :-) | 15:41 |
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| ccooke | (Offline google reader client, location prediction and the tool you mentioned (although that, at least, it looks like some people were implementing similar things to) | 15:43 |
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| ccooke | The one I really want to play with is location prediction. I might end up writing a backend library for that and seeing if people are interested - I'm a *hell* of a lot more likely to find the time if I don't have to worry about UI | 15:43 |
| lcuk | "you are on mars, please do a u-turn and head back to earth" | 15:44 |
| ccooke | nah. Try this: | 15:44 |
| ccooke | sample your location every N minutes. | 15:44 |
| ccooke | feed that into a database. | 15:45 |
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| hrw | what I would like to see is someone who will rewrite tweaks/profilesx/powatool/tracker-cfg into control panel applets | 15:45 |
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| ccooke | have some code that calculates the stable points you tend to stay close to - For instance, it'd quickly pick up your house, your workplace. In a week or two, it would pick up a coffee shop you go to a lot. Carry on with that. | 15:46 |
| ccooke | Then, apply intelligence to it. | 15:46 |
| ccooke | If it knows where you are now and the rough direction you're travelling, it can predict where you're probably going *to* | 15:47 |
| Khertan | hum ... and what will be the purpose ? | 15:47 |
| ccooke | feed into that schedules - so if you always go to the pub on a tuesday, that's probably where you're going. | 15:47 |
| Khertan | do not use too much the gps ? | 15:47 |
| ccooke | Then provide a plugin interface to this information. | 15:48 |
| hrw | Khertan: location does not have to mean gps only | 15:48 |
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| Khertan | hrw, yes of course | 15:48 |
| Khertan | but currently i didn't see a real purpose | 15:48 |
| ccooke | For a sample app... Work out the probably destination. Query public transport times and live status information. Display that on a home-style screen, with sounded alerts and popups if there are problems. | 15:48 |
| Khertan | ah ... yes | 15:49 |
| Khertan | now i see | 15:49 |
| lcuk | i would like gps that doesnt make me drive on the grass at the side of the road | 15:49 |
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| ccooke | end result: I start walking towards the tube station and my phone says "Hey, that line's delayed. Your best route home now is *other direction*" | 15:49 |
| lcuk | "you are going through a barn, pull up, pull up" | 15:49 |
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| lcuk | that would be incredibly tricky ccooke | 15:50 |
| Khertan | ccooke, ok now i can see a reall usefull application | 15:50 |
| ccooke | lcuk: bad idea. Barns often have doors on either side, but they *always* have a roof... | 15:50 |
| Khertan | lol | 15:50 |
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| hrw | as this is tuesday so you are going to the pub. but it is closed - go visit your lover because she have some free time and her period ended 3 days ago | 15:50 |
| ccooke | lcuk: I did some simulations. It is actually doable. | 15:50 |
| hrw | etc? | 15:50 |
| lcuk | cool | 15:50 |
| lcuk | hrw o_O maegirls integration | 15:51 |
| ccooke | hrw: that would require more plugins, but basically yes :-) | 15:51 |
| lcuk | i like it | 15:51 |
| Khertan | lol | 15:51 |
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| hrw | ccooke: add front camera face recognition to not show that messages for wife | 15:51 |
| ccooke | hrw: *you* can do that ;-) | 15:51 |
| ccooke | as I said - I think I'm much more likkely to finish this if I don't attempt a UI | 15:52 |
| lcuk | *facepalm* | 15:52 |
| ccooke | but a dbus server... oh, yes. | 15:52 |
| hrw | ccooke: front camera quality is famous - I have a problems with recognising faces on it | 15:52 |
| mikki-kun | hm, sounds interesting | 15:52 |
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| ccooke | yeah, it's a little... ropey. | 15:52 |
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| viliny | how can i test the front camera? | 15:53 |
| hrw | viliny: mirror app | 15:53 |
| ccooke | (The best thing about writing servers? you don't care much if the hardware changes and display UI stuff is entirely replaced...) | 15:53 |
| viliny | camera app only lets me use the one on the back | 15:53 |
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| viliny | ty hrw | 15:53 |
| nid0 | or healthcheck | 15:53 |
| viliny | are skype video calls scifi for the n900? | 15:54 |
| ccooke | Of course, it'll probably take me another month or so to get that working, but... if I fin the time to make that server work, would anyone find it interesting? | 15:54 |
| mikki-kun | or a simple short "mplayer -tv://$PARM" in the CLI will do the job as well (if mplayer is installed) | 15:54 |
| frals | saw something on the forums it might be in pr1.2 | 15:54 |
| ccooke | (I can do a web-based UI for it as long as it doesn't need to be pretty ;-) | 15:54 |
| frals | regarding video calls, i might be wrong thou | 15:54 |
| viliny | ok, thank you frals | 15:54 |
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| mikki-kun | if mplayer is installed "mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0" should do the job on the n900 for frontcamera-view | 15:55 |
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| Lynoure | I just realized how wonder it would be if I could configure the maemo UI button/combobox size (S-M-L) according to my finger size | 15:57 |
| Lynoure | The current one seems to be made to fit the fattest fingers possible :) | 15:57 |
| viliny | maybe you could make a dynamic one that gathers data from a bluetooth heart rate monitor and logs it and makes calculations based on that and your inputted initial weight and height and is able to scale the button according to your current physique ;) | 15:58 |
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| mikki-kun | why bluetooth heart rate monitor? | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | viliny: I want to do that | 15:59 |
| SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: because they are available, and you can talk to it on hte phone | 15:59 |
| lcuk | ccooke, your idea has serious potential but the logistics of it would be enormous, for a worldwide audience the server power required would be immense | 15:59 |
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| ccooke | lcuk: Nothing serverside :-) | 16:00 |
| ccooke | bah, now I'm feeling there's a challenge. I shall have to make the time to build a demo to prove it's viable... | 16:00 |
| mikki-kun | hm... i've not seen those around | 16:00 |
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| Lynoure | viliny: I don't think there is that much correlation between fitness and finger size :) | 16:01 |
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| viliny | Lynoure: Yeah it was a joke but i bet i ruined someones evening with it :) | 16:01 |
| Lynoure | viliny: or made their day in form of a happy coding flow :) | 16:02 |
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| viliny | well i guess a software tester somewhere is going to be very fit (or very unfit) soon :P | 16:02 |
| viliny | "Part 1 - We opened a tab for you at KFC - GO!" | 16:03 |
| mikki-kun | ;D | 16:03 |
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| Lynoure | I think currently all the buttons about about twice the height I'd need them to be. Could poke them with my nose. | 16:04 |
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| mikki-kun | "how d'ya use your phone?" 'with my nose' | 16:05 |
| viliny | i prefer using the stylus all the time | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | I do use my nose occasionally | 16:06 |
| Lynoure | Well, my problem actually is that I'd need a dropdown/combobox in the UI | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | when I'm in bed. | 16:06 |
| viliny | i _hate_ fingerprints | 16:06 |
| SpeedEvil | no fingerprints if you use your nose. | 16:06 |
| Lynoure | and it takes so much of the limited space | 16:06 |
| viliny | SpeedEvil: other hand occupied eh? ;) | 16:06 |
| Lynoure | I guess there is no way to get one into the menu section with Qt | 16:07 |
| Lynoure | So then I need a dialog, blah. | 16:07 |
| SpeedEvil | viliny: lying on one side, reading ebook. | 16:07 |
| viliny | would be a new low for me to go around using my phone with my face here at work | 16:09 |
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| Lynoure | (or, well, a value button) | 16:10 |
| Lynoure | Any ideas? | 16:10 |
| viliny | does the maemo talk mod section offer any help? | 16:11 |
| Lynoure | viliny: the what? | 16:13 |
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| Lynoure | I found maemotalk.com but no mod category.. so I think that's something else. | 16:15 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: seems like firefox is -really- good at destroying performance | 16:16 |
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| lcuk | Disconnect, is firefox in extras? | 16:17 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: worse. lemme find the link real quick | 16:17 |
| lcuk | not my problem - file a bug with them | 16:17 |
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| gouverneur | lcuk: at ovi | 16:18 |
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| * lcuk . | 16:18 | |
| TigerTael | How do I erase the emmc? | 16:18 |
| Disconnect | it was under the recommended apps on the first launch of ovi.. | 16:19 |
| TigerTael | Or rather, how do I restore emmc to default? | 16:19 |
| lcuk | TigerTael, there is an emmc image to completely vape it | 16:19 |
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| TigerTael | lcuk, do you perhaps have a link for me? | 16:19 |
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| lcuk | no, but google should | 16:19 |
| TigerTael | Okay thanks | 16:19 |
| lcuk | ~flashing | 16:19 |
| infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 16:19 |
| Disconnect | still is in fact :) http://store.ovi.com/?lang=en&country=US&serviceID=gateway#/applications (select n900) its the very very first app recommended. | 16:19 |
| lcuk | on there TigerTael | 16:20 |
| gouverneur | for what reason? | 16:20 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: but before i get an incorrect impression, is it the 'maemo way' that an app can trash the rest of the system and its not a system bug? (not being antagonistic, just asking. my assumption would be "no, the scheduler/swapper/etc should handle that or kill the app") | 16:20 |
| gouverneur | Disconnect: would expect last but first happens | 16:21 |
| lcuk | Disconnect, file a proper bug about it and the right people can see/comment on it | 16:21 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: will do, i'll get the vid tonight. just wanted to save time if it was gonna get closed as "3rd party app, too bad, so sorry" :) | 16:22 |
| lcuk | its very likely you can install an app that can bork your system and if firefox is hungry and wants to consume everything then its oging to | 16:22 |
| lcuk | Disconnect, it very possibly may still get closed in that way in which case you take it to mozilla themselves? | 16:23 |
| Disconnect | the stalling and such is annoying, but the biggest peeve i've got so far is that none of the browsers reflow properly when zooming. i'm hopeful there is already a bug.. | 16:23 |
| * noobmonk3y_work is back :D | 16:23 | |
| viliny | noobmonk3y_work: you made healthcheck? | 16:23 |
| gouverneur | wb | 16:23 |
| TigerTael | lcuk, found it thanks. | 16:23 |
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| noobmonk3y_work | hi viliny - yup - still a work inprogress hehe | 16:23 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: sure, but at the end of the day this is a consumer device billed as a hard-core multitasker. if a single app can destroy performance, thats a tuning/system bug in my eyes... | 16:23 |
| viliny | ah i see - well really nice app - thanks man :) | 16:23 |
| TigerTael | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin <=- Apparently this is still the latest. | 16:24 |
| noobmonk3y_work | awwww, great to hear - thank you very much! :D :D allways appreciate any feedback :D | 16:24 |
| noobmonk3y_work | latest updat epic -> http://www.gregjroberts.com/S1.png - as i said, work in progress with CSS :D | 16:25 |
| noobmonk3y_work | update pic* | 16:25 |
| Disconnect | ~bugs | 16:26 |
| TigerTael | lcuk, do I just flash it as a fiasco image? | 16:26 |
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| crashanddie | Disconnect: then you'd be wrong | 16:27 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: google-fu is failing me and the maemo bugtracker only seems to track garage projects (or at least, 'browser' 'microb' 'maemo browser' etc aren't listed as projects to view bug reports on) | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | Disconnect: any app can destroy performance, multi-tasking simply means that multiple apps have the ability to run at the same time, not that *any* app can run at the same time. | 16:27 |
| TigerTael | lcuk, nvm, just read now. | 16:27 |
| crashanddie | Disconnect: that would be like expecting you can run any app at the same time on your desktop -- the limits may be higher, but they're still there | 16:28 |
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| Disconnect | crashanddie: er, welcome to consumer electronics. thats one of the (only) things android manages really well - apps are mostly prevented from destroying performance, and if an app figures out how to do it its a bug in the system. (now, thats not to say it doesn't happen on occasion. and battery use is a separate issue. but its an actual goal..) | 16:29 |
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| Disconnect | crashanddie: the trick is, this isn't being sold as a desktop. its being sold as a phone. | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | no, it's being sold as a mobile computer | 16:29 |
| crashanddie | get your facts right | 16:29 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: nm btw, advanced search has it :) | 16:29 |
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| Disconnect | crashanddie: the ability to open one app and drag the system to a grinding halt (where even the hw lock button takes 20-45 seconds to work) is not a feature. no matter how much you try to make it one. | 16:31 |
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| lcuk | Disconnect, i can run apps on windows which bring everything to a halt | 16:32 |
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| lcuk | 1 app is all it takes | 16:32 |
| lcuk | or i can run 50 coorerative moderate apps | 16:32 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: ok seriously, you're going to put windows up as the epitome of operating systems with a straight face? | 16:32 |
| Disconnect | also, in win7, that is way more difficult to do.. | 16:33 |
| lcuk | same goes for maemo | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes - app cpu and RAM quotas would be good | 16:33 |
| SpeedEvil | ram is trivial | 16:33 |
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| Disconnect | ulimit ftw.. | 16:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | ulimit does not limit ongoing CPU usage | 16:33 |
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| SpeedEvil | you can't ulimit a process to 10% of the CPU | 16:34 |
| Disconnect | for that matter, linux has a free-up-memory signal. "hey look. we're swapping. lets tag background apps and processes to free memory." .. "ok we're still swapping. tag the foreground app to free memory" | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | oomkill? | 16:34 |
| Disconnect | some of the embedded cpu schedulers have interesting ideas in that way. for that matter, so do the desktop ones. (did ck's scheduler get picked up after he quit?) | 16:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Is there a way to say 'yes, I want to lock the CPU to this speed, I have a good reason' | 16:35 |
| lcuk | Disconnect, there might be a signal | 16:35 |
| SpeedEvil | I did echo 600000 >/sys/whatever - and it works at 250, and at 500, but not 550, or 600 | 16:35 |
| lcuk | but if apps dont listen | 16:35 |
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| Disconnect | lcuk: sure, but most memory hungry apps do. firefox specifically, which is the one at issue here. | 16:36 |
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| the_lord | Hi! | 16:37 |
| the_lord | I'm having kind of an issue here | 16:38 |
| gouverneur | the_lord: hi | 16:38 |
| gouverneur | the_lord: good to here | 16:38 |
| the_lord | I have my n900 configured with a SIP client of my office | 16:38 |
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| gouverneur | the_lord: cool | 16:38 |
| the_lord | is there a way to make the phone dial a prefix for calls that go through SIP ? | 16:39 |
| the_lord | I have to dial 9 to go outside | 16:39 |
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| gouverneur | the_lord: nope | 16:39 |
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| lcuk | Disconnect, you will have to clarify better about what brought it to a halt - were you opening several hundred tabs with flash in each etc or was this just opening and reasonable usage | 16:39 |
| Disconnect | metabug - maemo bugtracker password recovery says "If you have an account, but have forgotten your password, enter your login name below".. that then becomes "The e-mail address you entered (disconnect) didn't pass our syntax checking"... maybe it should say email at the front, if thats what it wants.. | 16:39 |
| gouverneur | the_lord: you can setup a sip number at your contacts with a 9 | 16:39 |
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| the_lord | gouverneur, manually, of course | 16:40 |
| gouverneur | the_lord: sure ,) | 16:40 |
| the_lord | gouverneur, It would be nice to have that option | 16:40 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: one tab, viewing the mobile ff knowledgebase. weave sync enabled (high remote-computer tabcount but none opened locally) and only 2 other extensions (adblock, noscript) | 16:40 |
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| * lcuk used to bring laptop down by viewing slashdot :D | 16:41 | |
| * frals flashes lcuk | 16:41 | |
| lcuk | does it give you the "app is not responding, close" message | 16:41 |
| Disconnect | this evening when i sit down to gather info i'll look at cpu/ram usage and see whats going on. overall its sluggish (even compared to a g1, which is hard to do :) ..) and that seems to be an easily-reproducable issue | 16:41 |
| gouverneur | the_lord: there are many things that would be nice but as long as we are looking at closed source... | 16:41 |
| lcuk | Disconnect, then give reproducable info in a bug report and let people do something | 16:41 |
| Disconnect | nope. hit window-list, it (usually) comes up, then sits. hit the lock button, nothing. at this point i generally hit the button a couple more times, then move on adn revisit it later to make sure it locked | 16:42 |
| frals | so i got mail with a errorlog today.. empty mail, empty subject, from name was set to "vodafone" and attached the log and 2 images and nothing else | 16:42 |
| Disconnect | lcuk: planning on it. been saying that from the beginning. | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | frals: someone sent it by mms? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:42 |
| Disconnect | i'm just not gonna spend 45 minutes getting logs, stats, videos, etc and then have it closed as a firefox bug. (so part of my during-the-day task is to make it happen with other apps. think its doable, just not as dramatic) | 16:43 |
| the_lord | gouverneur, yeah, of course we could write a new SIP client :P | 16:43 |
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| lcuk | Disconnect, first thing you should do is see if there is already a performance bug for firefox | 16:46 |
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| gouverneur | the_lord: just file a bug! shouldn't be that a problem to put a prefix in the sipclient advanced settings | 16:51 |
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| petteri | I am porting X11 application to maemo. Fullscreen does not work. Any tips on how to start understan the problem or fix it :) | 16:54 |
| the_lord | gouverneur, I'm on it | 16:55 |
| gouverneur | post here bugXXXX so we can vote for it | 16:55 |
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| Disconnect | lcuk: will do. | 16:57 |
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| * Jaffa has a trip home! Woot! | 16:58 | |
| Jaffa | It does involve a hire car, and driving from Stockholm to London | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | Over night. | 16:58 |
| Jaffa | Tonight. | 16:58 |
| frals | :D | 16:58 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Most airspace is open again ;) | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Not in the UK | 16:59 |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, well chunnel ;) | 16:59 |
| Jaffa | X-Fade: Ferry, Dunkerque -> Dover. But still got to get there :) | 16:59 |
| achipa | Jaffa: for speedy gonzales every route is a shortcut ! | 17:00 |
| X-Fade | hehe. | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | Jaffa: that desperate to get home to your joggler? ;) | 17:01 |
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| bullet` | hello room | 17:06 |
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| noobmonk3y_work | heya | 17:07 |
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| Khertan | Host kernel has vdso support (which is uncompatible with SB) | 17:09 |
| Khertan | You can fix this with either: | 17:09 |
| Khertan | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 17:09 |
| Khertan | rahhhh | 17:09 |
| Khertan | why :!!!. .§?.§.§/. §/?/. ?/.§! !!!! | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | because life isn't fair | 17:09 |
| Khertan | yep clearly ... | 17:10 |
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| Khertan | do not upgrade to 10.04 :) | 17:10 |
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| wazd | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=619411&postcount=28 <- what do yall think? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | the icons look a little weird in the way they're resized but cool | 17:13 |
| noobmonk3y_work | lol! | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | petrovich one is nice | 17:14 |
| noobmonk3y_work | great work wazd !! | 17:14 |
| gouverneur | nice | 17:14 |
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| X-Fade | wazd: Cool :) | 17:15 |
| noobmonk3y_work | petrovich one needs to be bigger i'd say - tis a bit squishy | 17:15 |
| noobmonk3y_work | Tron needs a tron car :D | 17:15 |
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| noobmonk3y_work | love the RSS one! | 17:15 |
| TomaszD | wazd, black extras decoders will be almost invisible on black background :( | 17:15 |
| noobmonk3y_work | Rootsh - lol - nice | 17:15 |
| TomaszD | and it doesn't say anything about audio decoders | 17:16 |
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| Jaffa | Stskeeps: yup | 17:17 |
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| Jaffa | achipa: You've seen my driving then :-) | 17:17 |
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| frals | Jaffa: at least you got to experience the swedish spring... Sun/rain/hail and snow, all in the same day! | 17:20 |
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| Jaffa | frals: :-) | 17:24 |
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| godrik | how can we change the cefault pdf reader on the n810 ? | 17:28 |
| godrik | i downloaded epdfview and evince | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | there's a dbus switchboard thing | 17:29 |
| godrik | is that a separate application ? | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 17:29 |
| godrik | ok i'll have a look at that | 17:29 |
| godrik | thank you | 17:30 |
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| Timbo | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures | 17:44 |
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| Timbo | i don't seem to be able to get the swipe left or right gestures to work | 17:44 |
| Timbo | any tips? | 17:44 |
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| oscillik | where are you starting the swipe? | 17:46 |
| godrik | Stskeeps: got it. thanks | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 17:46 |
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| Timbo | oscillik: the black bit at the side of the screen | 17:47 |
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| oscillik | hmm that should definitely work :-/ | 17:48 |
| Timbo | hmm | 17:48 |
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| Timbo | odd, seems it just doesn't work on some sites | 17:53 |
| oscillik | works on everything for me | 17:54 |
| * oscillik shrugs | 17:54 | |
| Timbo | try news.bbc.co.uk | 17:54 |
| Timbo | bah | 17:55 |
| Timbo | now it works | 17:55 |
| Timbo | wtf? | 17:55 |
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| * noobmonk3y_work warns everyone away from the t.m.o land.... looks like frals is a trolling ;) | 17:56 | |
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| frals | omg who let that bastard on tmo again! | 17:57 |
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| inkbottle | hi, i really can't go through the issue described there: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38267 | 18:24 |
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| inkbottle | I don't understand the "dns does not answer" because "ping downloads.maemo.nokia.com" works | 18:28 |
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| inkbottle | if i replace by 81.52.160.33 i doesn't work better | 18:33 |
| inkbottle | more this one perhaps: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37713 | 18:34 |
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| lcuk | inkbottle, try disabling additional repositories | 18:36 |
| lcuk | and find out which one causes you pain | 18:36 |
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| * frals awards lcuk "problem solver of the month award" | 18:37 | |
| * lcuk hits frals on the head with a shovel | 18:38 | |
| lcuk | oh sorry, i meant "/me shakes frals hand" | 18:38 |
| lcuk | typo | 18:38 |
| frals | :D | 18:38 |
| frals | think i need a proper beating to get started on the input validation in my new dialogs | 18:38 |
| lcuk | i always get those letters mixed up | 18:38 |
| ccooke | lcuk: it's odd how easy it is to make typos like that | 18:38 |
| frals | why cant users just understand what they are suppose to put in :< | 18:38 |
| lcuk | because users never will | 18:39 |
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| lcuk | input validation and logicalflows are high priority | 18:39 |
| frals | yeah | 18:39 |
| lcuk | in old job, a lot of our users had never used a computer, let alone a complex app | 18:39 |
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| frals | and being the architect/designer/tester/coder of the application its easy to miss what 'normal' users are going to do | 18:40 |
| frals | otoh i actually had ONE post in the fmms thread who said everything was perfectly logical and super easy to setup | 18:41 |
| frals | i should print that and frame | 18:41 |
| lcuk | lol | 18:41 |
| inkbottle | lcuk, i only have the repos here by default; and it is downloads.maemo.nokia.com tat is th issue | 18:41 |
| inkbottle | i changed dns to google's one, no help | 18:42 |
| lcuk | well is it the dns - since everything else seems to find it and work | 18:42 |
| X-Fade | inkbottle: Where are you in the world? | 18:43 |
| inkbottle | france | 18:43 |
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| inkbottle | but i can ping the address | 18:43 |
| X-Fade | Hmm no, there should not be any export control for France :) | 18:44 |
| inkbottle | from the n900; only with apt-get (or update apps), i have the issue | 18:44 |
| inkbottle | but it's been described many times | 18:45 |
| inkbottle | i use wifi | 18:46 |
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| frals | am i imagining things or wasnt there a thread on maemo-dev about download stats from -devel and -testing? | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | nop | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | frals: Was about stats in general. | 18:48 |
| X-Fade | frals: Everything is added up in the stats btw. | 18:48 |
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| frals | X-Fade: is it possible to get the stats for something in -devel? or would I need the page added on /downloads/ to get them? | 18:48 |
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| X-Fade | frals: Pssst -> http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras | 18:50 |
| frals | X-Fade: cheers :) | 18:50 |
| inkbottle | the bug is there: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7665 | 18:51 |
| povbot | Bug 7665: App Manager cannot update official Nokia repos through wi-fi/wlan connection | 18:51 |
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| frals | X-Fade: hate to be a PITA, but is there a way to get total# as well? :) | 18:51 |
| X-Fade | frals: Yes, view source and add everything up :) | 18:51 |
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| frals | Alright, thank you :) | 18:52 |
| lcuk | count the pixels | 18:52 |
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| inkbottle | i'll come back later | 18:54 |
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| frals | 126532 \o/ | 18:57 |
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| SpeedEvil | ? | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Oh | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | So we now have a hard minimum number on sales I guess. :) | 18:59 |
| SpeedEvil | (assuming people are not insane and downloading multiple times. | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | Awesome frals. | 19:00 |
| frals | well theres been a million versions etc, so actuall user count is probably way below | 19:00 |
| SpeedEvil | I now have fmms installed, in the unlikely event of me needing to send or recieve mms | 19:00 |
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| frals | SpeedEvil: let me know if you experience any mysterious battery drain from having it installed please :) | 19:01 |
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| slonopotamus | so... who is on duty today? | 19:01 |
| frals | since I have it installed on both my phones all the time due to testing I can't really compare it battery performance without having it installed :D | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | SpeedEvil, spread your phone number here and im sure people will send you test messages lol | 19:03 |
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| frals | fuck sake why can exchange filter incoming mail serverside on senders email but not on recipients email? | 19:08 |
| gouverneur | lol | 19:08 |
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| gouverneur | cause it guesses you are using the one and only windows live account that is needed in the world | 19:09 |
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| oscillik | i'm switching from O2 to giffgaff | 19:10 |
| oscillik | :D | 19:10 |
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| gouverneur | its like win98 telling everyone in the network that it is to be master-server | 19:10 |
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| Mac87 | i am new with my n900 ... is there a website to learn xterminal codes?? | 19:11 |
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| SWFu_ | MAC87, plenty, google Linux commands | 19:13 |
| petteri | n900 includes busybox, you can find default commands here: http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html . Just scroll down a little | 19:14 |
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| Mac87 | thank you | 19:14 |
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| gouverneur | petteri: that is nothing like a help for n00bs! | 19:18 |
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| petteri | sorry about that :) | 19:22 |
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| petteri | how does one find the source for this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/tecnoballz . apt-get source tecnoballz returns nothing. I would like to see if it is possible to add accelator support | 19:23 |
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| petteri | the maemo source, from that package is compiled | 19:23 |
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| nikki93 | Any n900 users here? I'm into Linux and software programming and stuff - my dad wants to buy a phone - I was suggesting the n900. | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's quite a lot of n900 users here ;) | 19:40 |
| thresh | seriously?! | 19:40 |
| thresh | point me one ! | 19:40 |
| * Stskeeps points to himself | 19:40 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:40 |
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| nikki93 | so is it cool? | 19:41 |
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| nikki93 | n900, I mean. | 19:41 |
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| greenfly | is your dad into Linux and software programming? | 19:42 |
| greenfly | and does he want a pocket tablet computer or does he want a phone? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's cool - but does he want to buy it for you or for him? | 19:43 |
| pupnik | if dad doesnt care, get the n900 | 19:43 |
| greenfly | the n900 is very cool for the right person | 19:43 |
| pupnik | maybe dad will think it is interesting but get tired of it and give it to son | 19:44 |
| greenfly | but if your dad mostly makes calls, MMS and SMS, updates twitter and facebook, and checks his email, he may want a smartphone | 19:44 |
| greenfly | if the ability to easily fire up a terminal and get root would appeal to him, get a n900 | 19:44 |
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| greenfly | and if phone calls are a nice feature to him, but the main thing is always-on internet | 19:45 |
| greenfly | if he would like to use it for driving directions, don't get a n900* | 19:45 |
| greenfly | * unless he lives in europe and is willing to pay extra for a third-party gps app | 19:46 |
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| Stskeeps | sygic's neat though | 19:46 |
| sECuRE | greenfly: which app would that be? | 19:47 |
| greenfly | sECuRE: sygic | 19:47 |
| sECuRE | thanks | 19:47 |
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| greenfly | seems like there are two kinds of n900 owners | 19:47 |
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| greenfly | those who want to use it like a smartphone and those who want to use it like a computer | 19:47 |
| greenfly | the ones who approach it like a phone seem to get disappointed and the ones who approach it like a computer seem to really like it | 19:48 |
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| javispedro | ah. a gtk-qt war! | 19:49 |
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| brik | I approached it like a phone and keep getting surprised over how wonderful it is! ;P | 19:49 |
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| greenfly | brik: heh, well cool :) | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | the screen is actually transparent cocaine | 19:50 |
| brik | omnomnom n900 | 19:51 |
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| andrewfblack | If you can't beat them join them http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=619658#post619658 | 19:53 |
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| javispedro | hey andrewfblack, sounds like a good plan. | 19:53 |
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| Stskeeps | hehe | 19:53 |
| naxu | :D | 19:54 |
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| opdf2 | anyone order from protectionfilms24.com? How long usually to ship to midwest USA? | 19:56 |
| opdf2 | all that volcanic ash cant be good too | 19:57 |
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| nikki93 | pupnik: well actually it's for my mom. I already have an iPhone (dad got it for free from company as gift) - I'm planning on giving it to her. She said if she gets an n900 she'll give it to me - anything is fine | 19:58 |
| nikki93 | greenfly: Nice. I'm thinking of approaching it like it's a computer. | 19:59 |
| pupnik | sounds perfect. ifone for mom and n90p for you | 19:59 |
| nikki93 | You can see my website here - I make computer games in my free time - http://nikki93.github.com/ | 19:59 |
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| nikki93 | Programming in free time during high school is so awesome. I moreso love open source and Linux etc. After I started using Linux in August 2008 my productivity rose real fast. I could choose how my computer worked - it was all up to me. | 20:00 |
| nikki93 | I use a tiling window manager and stuff - this is soo cool. I'd love something like that on a portable device - that freedom. The iPhone just seems to costrainting. | 20:01 |
| nikki93 | *too | 20:01 |
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| nikki93 | Also I was reading the Linux kernel source and stuff and it's pretty well written. I learnt a lot of C that way. ^_^ | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a good device for you then | 20:02 |
| pupnik | you are in more control, if you want to be | 20:02 |
| nikki93 | When I use a device and I know that there's a community out there making stuff simply because it's fun, it's so much fun. | 20:02 |
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| nikki93 | Awesome. | 20:02 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I run a dbus command from python? | 20:11 |
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| javispedro | aha, slashdot is now going through the same overclocking stuff we went through a few weeks ago | 20:15 |
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| Stskeeps | url? | 20:16 |
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| javispedro | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/04/20/1512200/Hidden-Cores-On-Phenom-CPUs-Can-Be-Unlocked | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 20:17 |
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| javispedro | again the "manufacturers are evil" vs "manufacturers are smart" arguments | 20:17 |
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| Shapeshifter | two questions: where are the radio stations kept that ship with the n900 (I want to delete them all at once) and is there an equalizer for alsa/pulse? the bass is seriously too strong imo. | 20:18 |
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| SpeedEvil | Has anyone else had - when coming from lock - the camera pop up when opened a dialog asking for internets without actually taking pictures or showing preview? | 20:26 |
| SpeedEvil | I have geotagging enabled, which is presumbaly why it was doing this - however I actually had GPS on and was logging in another app | 20:26 |
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| SpeedEvil | (so it diddn't need a connection) | 20:27 |
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| tim_ | hello i need help | 20:30 |
| SpeedEvil | with? | 20:30 |
| tim_ | installing debian | 20:30 |
| pronto | tim_: check out the easy-debain chroot | 20:30 |
| tim_ | when it extracts it comes up with an error | 20:31 |
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| tim_ | chroot needs debian-m5-v3b.img.ext2.lzma | 20:33 |
| tim_ | but installing it comes up with an error | 20:33 |
| SpeedEvil | Is it 'Insufficient duct tape?' | 20:34 |
| SpeedEvil | Or perhaps a missing eggplant error. | 20:34 |
| tim_ | no | 20:34 |
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| tim_ | anyone got a download link of debian which isnt a beta version | 20:37 |
| Shapeshifter | >.> | 20:37 |
| MohammadAG | debian.org have one I think | 20:37 |
| tim_ | for maemo | 20:38 |
| javispedro | we at least now know that there was indeed sufficient duct tape. | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:38 |
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| MohammadAG | oh | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | tim_, easy debian | 20:38 |
| tim_ | download link please! | 20:38 |
| MohammadAG | it's in the repos... | 20:38 |
| tim_ | theres easy chroot and easy debian | 20:39 |
| tim_ | but it errors while i install it | 20:39 |
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| tim_ | it downloads fine but extracting it makes it come up with an error | 20:40 |
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| javispedro | and the error message is? | 20:40 |
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| tim_ | well if someone wanted to know someone could of said before when i had it up | 20:41 |
| microlith | impressive, the media player has completely given up reading song info | 20:41 |
| Shapeshifter | <.< | 20:41 |
| Disconnect | tim_: er, just a thought, but "this is broken, give me free help" is -always- going to lead to "how is it broken? be specific." | 20:42 |
| microlith | I wonder if nokia is keeping the media player closed not because it's a "value add" but because it's horrible and embarrasing | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 20:43 |
| javispedro | microlith: you have doubts? | 20:43 |
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| * MohammadAG wonders if that was a troll | 20:43 | |
| javispedro | and we still don't know what his error message was. | 20:43 |
| javispedro | MohammadAG: you missed half of the conversation, check the logs. | 20:43 |
| javispedro | but still bash-candidate. | 20:44 |
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| * microlith wonders why the widget forgets info when transitioning away from the desktop | 20:44 | |
| microlith | oh nice, it says "no songs" | 20:44 |
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| MohammadAG | tim_but installing it comes up with an error | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | m/ | 20:45 |
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| microlith | well, the media player has just failed completely | 20:45 |
| MohammadAG | ^ (faceplam, for those who don't know) | 20:46 |
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| SpeedEvil | ' Nokia has announced its second PUSH N900 developer contest meant for developers to push themselves creatively by figuring out creative uses and hacks for... Go to Nokia Now' - as part of 'hypothetical' text for a new nokia website I've been asked to fill in a survey on. | 20:46 |
| SpeedEvil | hmm | 20:46 |
| GordonS | hey - anyone know whether it makes sense to want to build Qt (4.7) against libicd2 if you're not running Maemo... and if so, where the @*#@%! you find the source for it?? | 20:46 |
| GordonS | I'm doing some development on Qt itself | 20:46 |
| javispedro | don't | 20:47 |
| GordonS | (and I hope to be getting a N900 soonish...) | 20:47 |
| javispedro | ah, for the n900, doth. | 20:47 |
| GordonS | well, not for the N900 yet... | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | GordonS: what are you planning to do? | 20:47 |
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| GordonS | this is a desktop build I am working on presently | 20:47 |
| GordonS | well... my goal at the moment is "build Qt with as much functionality as possible enabled" - I already submitted a patch today against OpenVG, since it didn't build against ShuvaVG anymore | 20:48 |
| GordonS | er, Shiva | 20:48 |
| javispedro | icd2 is a propietary network manager -- most probably you don't want it for your desktop build. | 20:49 |
| GordonS | for my own future reference, though... since I do/have done work in Qt/E... | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | GordonS: .. why? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:49 |
| GordonS | um... because they say that it should work :) | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok, if you build against icd you normally want to make a network plugin | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | TypeError: _tmo_homepage() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) <-- any ideas? | 20:50 |
| GordonS | did you mean "why" to ICD or to OpenVG? | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | def _tmo_homepage(self): | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | os.popen('dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:"http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44293"') | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | GordonS: icd | 20:50 |
| GordonS | aha | 20:50 |
| GordonS | well, I am willing to believe that I do not want it for a desktop build... | 20:51 |
| frals | MohammadAG: how do you call it? | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | frals, through the gtk.menu_bar | 20:51 |
| GordonS | I do/have done a fair bit of Qt/E work as well; should it come up again, where would I find its source? I have only managed to find binaries so far. | 20:51 |
| frals | MohammadAG: need to make the function take 2 arguments since i assume its connected to a signal | 20:51 |
| frals | which also passes the widget which was activated | 20:51 |
| MohammadAG | mind if I switch to PM? | 20:51 |
| frals | sure | 20:52 |
| frals | as in, go ahead | 20:52 |
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| * microlith tries to re-init the music database, but is having no luck | 21:07 | |
| javispedro | tracker-processes -r | 21:07 |
| microlith | did that | 21:07 |
| microlith | oh wait | 21:07 |
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| TigerTael | I have a problem with Conversations. I just flashed PR1.1.1 and then the emmc and now Conversations doesn't have kinetic scrolling anymore. Only the traditional scroll bar. | 21:10 |
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| TigerTael | ideas? | 21:10 |
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| johnsq | Hi | 21:11 |
| MohammadAG | hey johnsq | 21:12 |
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| mayfairman | Hi all, is anyone able to help me out with a problem I have with irreco for N900? | 21:20 |
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| MohammadAG | mayfairman, what's the problem? | 21:21 |
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| trumee | any idea when i do [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start, i get /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 2: qemu:: command not found | 21:21 |
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| RST38h | PR1.2!!!!!! | 21:23 |
| opdf2 | hmm did everyone get a charge adapter and cleaning cloth with their n900? I ordered from Dell small business and did not | 21:23 |
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| ToJa92 | [opdf2]: I got it :) | 21:23 |
| ToJa92 | you cant use the charge adapter though, and I've never used the cleaning cloth | 21:23 |
| opdf2 | hmm, i guess my box didnt include those things | 21:24 |
| florian | re | 21:24 |
| RST38h | Hmm, does not work any more. I guess people no longer believe PR1.2 will ever arrive =) | 21:24 |
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| mayfairman | MohammadAG: I had it all working fine and dandy, but tried to download a duff SKYHD remote and all my remotes disappeared from the command chain window, and the remotes that did work no longered. Probably a bit impatiant, I removed and re-installed irreco, but it still had the old remote configs in the back end, so , perhaps incorrectly, I deleted the lircd,conf and hardware,conf from /etc/lircd/ and did a clean install of everything. However, the | 21:26 |
| Scelt | RST38h: YEAH | 21:26 |
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| ToJa92 | [RST38h]: I'm patiently waiting instead of listening to someone in a IRC-channel :P | 21:26 |
| microlith | ok, -now- the tracker daemon is ticking | 21:27 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, UI doesn't run in ARMEL | 21:27 |
| valdyn | mayfairman: you got cut off | 21:27 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: ah! | 21:27 |
| frals | lol RST38h | 21:27 |
| mayfairman | valdyn: what do you mean, my message gut trimmed? | 21:28 |
| valdyn | mayfairman: yes, repeat after "However" | 21:28 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i just built mythtv in scratchbox under ARMEL, guess there is no way to test whether it works. | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | mayfairman, try removing /home/user/.irreco | 21:28 |
| mayfairman | However, the new install does not now seem to be creating these files and im getting a 'cannot open socket' error. I am unable to start the service using /etc/init.d/lirc start as says LIRC is not configured. | 21:28 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, build it under X86, test, then rebuild for ARMEL to rest on a device :) | 21:28 |
| valdyn | mayfairman: i don't think maemo dpkg treats config file different than debian | 21:29 |
| valdyn | mayfairman: so "/j #debian" and "/msg dpkg confmiss" | 21:29 |
| mayfairman | shall I just chuck a vanilla version of the 2 conf files in there and see if it starts? | 21:29 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: problem is that i had to build qt from source since maemo doesnt have qt3support libraries in qt-4.6.2 | 21:29 |
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| valdyn | mayfairman: you could do that, but you may still want to chat with dpkg to understand this | 21:29 |
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| mayfairman | valdyn: OK thanks a lot :) | 21:30 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, try to test them on the device itself | 21:30 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: you mean copy the /opt/qt from scratchbox into the device? | 21:31 |
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| valdyn | about time someone did a "apt-get --restore-default-conf", i guess | 21:31 |
| woglinde_ | jo | 21:31 |
| woglinde_ | okay | 21:31 |
| woglinde_ | next round with kexec | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, make it into a .deb package, it would be easier to reverse the changes if something happens | 21:31 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: can i simply copy the built folders /opt/qt and /opt/mythtv to N900. | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | not really sure | 21:31 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: hmm. dont know how to create deb packages :( | 21:32 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, can you do a make install? | 21:32 |
| woglinde_ | trumee lol qt is already there | 21:32 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: also there are loads of dependencies from extras-devel, will ruin my device. | 21:32 |
| trumee | MohammadAG: yes i did a make install to get the binaries in /opt/qt | 21:33 |
| MohammadAG | woglinde_, <trumee> MohammadAG: problem is that i had to build qt from source since maemo doesnt have qt3support libraries in qt-4.6.2 | 21:33 |
| woglinde_ | mythtv need qt3support? | 21:33 |
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| woglinde_ | what the fuck | 21:33 |
| trumee | woglinde_: yes | 21:33 |
| woglinde_ | konvert it | 21:33 |
| woglinde_ | this suckz | 21:33 |
| trumee | woglinde_: myth guys are gradually modifying it to remove qt3support but there are still places where it exists | 21:34 |
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| trumee | woglinde_: it might be easier for now to build qt3support for N900. | 21:34 |
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| woglinde_ | hm besides this | 21:35 |
| woglinde_ | you should take a look at the debian packages of mythtv | 21:35 |
| woglinde_ | and adapted them | 21:35 |
| woglinde_ | with optify | 21:35 |
| * microlith wonders if the indexer can be any more arbitrary and random | 21:35 | |
| trumee | MohammadAG: i wonder why the dev left qt3support out of the binaries | 21:35 |
| trumee | woglinde_: you mean install easy debian on the device? | 21:35 |
| woglinde_ | trumee because maemo didn't have support for qt3 | 21:36 |
| woglinde_ | trumee no | 21:36 |
| woglinde_ | take the debian-packages and make them maemo5 conform | 21:36 |
| trumee | woglinde_: i built qt-4.6.2 maemo in scratchbox and qt3support built ok. | 21:36 |
| woglinde_ | thas how I do it most the time | 21:37 |
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| woglinde_ | thats besides the qt3support | 21:37 |
| trumee | woglinde_: unfortunately, there are some dependencies for mythtv, i listed the .deb packages i had to install here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=618129&postcount=61 | 21:38 |
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| trumee | woglinde_: will i need to install these packages on N900 as well? | 21:38 |
| woglinde_ | hms my damn internet connection | 21:38 |
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| trumee | i am still not sure why devs left out qt3support, if it builds fine under armel, they should have made a package. | 21:39 |
| trumee | maybe it was a space issue. | 21:40 |
| woglinde_ | tumee space | 21:41 |
| RST38h | they explicitely did not want backward compatibility maybe? | 21:41 |
| woglinde_ | and as I said | 21:41 |
| woglinde_ | mo qt3 support on maemo | 21:41 |
| woglinde_ | it started with qt4 | 21:41 |
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| woglinde_ | and you didnt want run mythv on n8x0 | 21:41 |
| woglinde_ | hms | 21:41 |
| woglinde_ | which watchdog do I need for n810 kernels | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | probably do not want to do it on n900 either | 21:42 |
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| RST38h | too slow... | 21:42 |
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| trumee | RST38h: SD content should be fine i guess? | 21:43 |
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| trumee | RST38h: knots2 works very well for mythtv recordings. But there is no live-tv support which i miss | 21:43 |
| wizkoder | hy everybody | 21:44 |
| wizkoder | How do I write a sms with the N900??? If I do not have the number as a contact? | 21:44 |
| trumee | RST38h: maybe if the video stream was transcoded on the fly in mythtv that would work, | 21:44 |
| wizkoder | found it. very well hidden ;-) | 21:45 |
| slingr | lol | 21:45 |
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| RST38h | trumee: Sounds too complicated to me | 21:48 |
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| woglinde_ | hm ah reading a thread about the watchdog now | 21:49 |
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| woglinde_ | hms | 21:51 |
| woglinde_ | damn | 21:51 |
| woglinde_ | I have all the cbus stuff enabled | 21:51 |
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| otubo | Hello guys, do think that there's a way to get the GPS data from N900 (usb, bt, whatever) and share it with my PC (to use google earth, ie)? | 21:52 |
| woglinde_ | ~seen luke-jr | 21:52 |
| infobot | luke-jr is currently on #maemo, last said: 'ShadowJK: automatic check is a bug :)'. | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | otubo: can probably hack something up in python with ease | 21:53 |
| woglinde_ | stskeeps yes with remote dbus probably | 21:53 |
| woglinde_ | using the same dbus interface as gpsd | 21:54 |
| woglinde_ | stskeeps are you familiar with the watchdogs on n8x0? | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | sortof | 21:54 |
| otubo | Stskeeps, woglinde_ do you have any docs describing any of these methods? A kick off example or something? | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | omfg | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | just ran into the 'say no to a qt based maemo' | 21:55 |
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| woglinde_ | stskeeps lol | 21:55 |
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| Stskeeps | otubo: look at pymaemo and look at location apis | 21:55 |
| frals | ye i saw that one Stskeeps... some people... | 21:55 |
| woglinde_ | otubo hm the locationlib is described in the wiki | 21:55 |
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| woglinde_ | for remote dbus you needs some googling | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | frals: i was wondering why my happiness had increased, realized i wasn't following tmo | 21:56 |
| woglinde_ | proably I just have to clea the flags | 21:56 |
| woglinde_ | lets try | 21:56 |
| frals | Stskeeps: :D | 21:56 |
| * GAN900 notes his Facebook account seems to have been automagically reactivated. | 21:56 | |
| otubo | Stskeeps, woglinde_ all right, thank you guys. Any progress on my hacks I'll let you know here :) | 21:57 |
| Stskeeps | otubo: you can maybe even make your n900 show up as a bluetooth GPS | 21:57 |
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| otubo | Stskeeps, that's an idea I've been thinking too. | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | i did that with my freerunner | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | fairly easy, too | 21:58 |
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| TigerTael | Argh! I cannot seem to fix this knietic scrolling problem in Coversations. | 21:59 |
| TigerTael | *kinetic | 21:59 |
| woglinde_ | stskeep hm how? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | woglinde_: http://www.handheldshell.com/software/bluetooth.php | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | can probably convert it to a n900 version fairly easy | 22:00 |
| TigerTael | I need some serious help. For some reason my Conversations is using a traditional scroll bar instead of kinetic scrolling. :( | 22:00 |
| * GAN900 wonders why mwkn got a thumb on Planet. | 22:01 | |
| woglinde_ | ah right | 22:01 |
| woglinde_ | with gpsd | 22:01 |
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| GAN900 | TigerTael, were you messing around with the style? | 22:01 |
| TigerTael | Nope. | 22:01 |
| TigerTael | I actually flashed the 1.1.1 again and then flashed emmc... | 22:01 |
| woglinde_ | stskeeps seems the script is gone | 22:02 |
| TigerTael | And now I've reflashed 1.1.1 again... | 22:02 |
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| TigerTael | Can anyone suggest anything? I don't really even mind flashing again, but... this bug is driving me nuts. | 22:02 |
| woglinde_ | bug? | 22:03 |
| mece | TigerTael, what bug is it? | 22:03 |
| TigerTael | Well, since my kinetic scrolling has somehow gone AWOL in Conversations, I don't know what else to call it. | 22:03 |
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| woglinde_ | damn watchdog | 22:03 |
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| TigerTael | Ideas? | 22:05 |
| TigerTael | How would I get my phone to a Vanilla/Virgin state? | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | flash it and flash emmc | 22:06 |
| woglinde_ | ~flasher | 22:07 |
| infobot | hmm... flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher | 22:07 |
| TigerTael | Stskeeps, that's what I did to cause this problem. | 22:07 |
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| TigerTael | Okay, well I'll try it again. | 22:10 |
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| wackl | heya Khertan | 22:13 |
| TigerTael | If I flash the rootfs+emmc, is everything wiped off? (I.E, nothing left behind?) | 22:13 |
| TigerTael | And, the corect procedure is to flash 1.1.1 first and then the emmc, right? | 22:13 |
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| dima202 | I just noticed the default alarm is pretty bad, can't find any settings for it | 22:25 |
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| frals | wow, i completly missed that gizmodo outted the guys iphone 4g they got their hands on | 22:25 |
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| RST38h | someone is getting his ass seriously whipped at Apple... | 22:26 |
| d14 | jj ;) fail ;) | 22:26 |
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| ToJa92 | I thought that phone don't look Apple at all, anyone agree? | 22:27 |
| RST38h | it looks like a Zune. | 22:27 |
| RST38h | maybe it even runs Win7! | 22:28 |
| dima202 | what phone? | 22:28 |
| MohammadAG | osso_notes pisses me off | 22:28 |
| ToJa92 | [dima202]: This http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone | 22:29 |
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| MohammadAG | I think that's what's inside the iPad | 22:29 |
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| ToJa92 | [MohammadAG]: Maybe it is, you got any pictures of a disassembled iPad? | 22:31 |
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| ToJa92 | I'm too lazy to search lol | 22:31 |
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| MohammadAG | ToJa92, err lol | 22:32 |
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| ToJa92 | Meh, nevermind, I guess time will tell | 22:34 |
| ToJa92 | ;) | 22:34 |
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| TigerTael | Okay, I'm happy to report that now the kinetic scrolling is back to normal. | 22:38 |
| TigerTael | -phew- | 22:38 |
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| tim_ | how do you change the colour of your text | 22:41 |
| tim_ | on xchat | 22:41 |
| C-S-B-N900 | you dont, its horrid. | 22:43 |
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| tim_ | ?? | 22:43 |
| sECuRE | by chosing "Font" in the menu | 22:43 |
| sECuRE | oh, in xchat | 22:43 |
| sECuRE | i read xterm, nevermind | 22:43 |
| tim_ | anyone know how to do it im sick of looking at grey | 22:44 |
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| ToJa92 | I was gonna check it... but then I remembered I switched to irssi | 22:46 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | you can change colors under settings -> preferences | 22:46 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | ToJa92: why irssi? | 22:47 |
| ToJa92 | [C-S-B-N900]: Dunno, lighter I guess. Never used any of xchat's features anyway. Plus it got black background and green text ;) | 22:47 |
| sECuRE | for irssi, there is nickcolor.pl if you like some color | 22:47 |
| ToJa92 | well I just changed the colors in xterm and the normal text in irssi is now green | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | xchat just works for me. | 22:48 |
| * C-S-B-N900 uses xchat | 22:48 | |
| SpeedEvil | Admittedly I'd like to slightly change some of the UI | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | for example, shrink the inbox size a bit | 22:48 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | entrybox | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | well you change it like this | 22:49 |
| tim_ | which one on xchat | 22:49 |
| SpeedEvil | and make it so that tapping ont he rightside of the entry box does the hide/show | 22:49 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL K, followed by a number (test it by pmming yourself) | 22:49 |
| opdf2 | i konw there's a batlevel widget, but is there a way to make the percentage show up i the status? such as in this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37912 | 22:49 |
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| SpeedEvil | I'd love a status widget that would simply watch a png file on disk | 22:50 |
| SpeedEvil | if it changes, show the new png | 22:51 |
| luke-jr | woglinde_: ? | 22:53 |
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| lbt | do people get skype spam on their N900 ? | 22:56 |
| mtnbkr | lbt: I do | 22:56 |
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| lbt | good enough :) | 22:56 |
| tripzero | i do as well :| | 22:57 |
| tripzero | spam blows | 22:57 |
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| opdf2 | lbt: yes i do | 22:58 |
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| mtnbkr | until I disabled my skype account on N900 :-/ | 22:59 |
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| ToJa92 | [lbt]: No, but I rarely use Skype anyway | 23:00 |
| Kurppa_ | You can disable the spamming from desktop version of skype. | 23:00 |
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| Kurppa_ | Just select "Allow IMs from... peope in my Contact list only" in the options. | 23:00 |
| tripzero | Kurppa_: meaning you can select not to receive non-"buddy" message? | 23:01 |
| tripzero | good idea | 23:01 |
| oscillik | yep, i never get spam on Skype. ever | 23:01 |
| lbt | Kurppa_: yeah. | 23:01 |
| tripzero | yay | 23:01 |
| tripzero | will try | 23:01 |
| Kurppa_ | It affects the whole account, not just the desktop client. | 23:01 |
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| lbt | cc if affected : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9986 | 23:02 |
| povbot | Bug 9986: Very offensive skype spam | 23:02 |
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| lbt | will help to give them an idea of the size of the problem | 23:03 |
| Kurppa_ | Have you created similar bugs from e-mail spam as well? | 23:03 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: ping | 23:04 |
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| * lcuk knocks on lbts front door and offers him a bridge | 23:04 | |
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| lcuk | lbt often? | 23:04 |
| lbt | 2-3 / month | 23:04 |
| lbt | usually at 4:30 am ..... grrr | 23:04 |
| sECuRE | don’t you set your phone silent at night? ;) | 23:05 |
| sECuRE | (or turn it off…) | 23:05 |
| lbt | actually I think it's mainly this one account - and of course I can't block it/report it | 23:05 |
| lbt | sECuRE: nah, too forgetfull | 23:05 |
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| lbt | one day... http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron | 23:06 |
| hrw|gone | mafw-gst-subtitles-renderer: Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-subtitles (= 0.10.25-0maemo7+0m5) but 0.10.25-0maemo14+0m5-1 is to be installed | 23:07 |
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| Kurppa_ | "anacron Why not: anacron is used to schedule daily jobs, fcron can schedule to minutes." -- isn't that false? | 23:08 |
| Kurppa_ | Afaik anacron can schedule jobs to run for example every minute. | 23:09 |
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| lbt | anacron? no | 23:09 |
| lbt | manpage : "Anacron can be used to execute commands periodically, with a frequency specified in days" | 23:09 |
| Kurppa_ | Alright, maybe I'm just loopy. | 23:10 |
| SpeedEvil | 1/1440 of a day is 1 min | 23:10 |
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| Kurppa_ | Does anybody know which cron is in use in debian/ubuntu? At least that one can schedule jobs on a minute basis. | 23:12 |
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| C-S-B-N900 | how are people finding chromiun n900? | 23:12 |
| C-S-B-N900 | and is it worthwhile installing the advanced kernel? is it stable? | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | chromium is slow | 23:13 |
| SpeedEvil | IME | 23:13 |
| Kurppa_ | fcron looks like a neat tool, better try it one day. Thanks for the tip. | 23:14 |
| C-S-B-N900 | cheers SpeedEvil, have you tried the advanced kernel? | 23:14 |
| * frals slaps lcuk with some bacon | 23:15 | |
| lcuk | ta frals i needed that | 23:15 |
| frals | np had a feeling you did | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | chromium has *empty* default root CA repository | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | so you have to install all certificates manually | 23:16 |
| timeless_mbp | empty is good | 23:16 |
| timeless_mbp | you know your whole trust world :) | 23:16 |
| Arkenoi | :-)) | 23:16 |
| frals | userproofing an application is well boring :( | 23:17 |
| lcuk | i used to give liqbase to jake and luke | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | luke also even further back found bugs in other systems :) | 23:17 |
| C-S-B-N900 | i use chromium on my comp, wondered what it was like on my phone. :) | 23:18 |
| lcuk | just watch how they use it and where they expect things | 23:18 |
| frals | lcuk: no childs available here for labor im afraid! :< | 23:18 |
| lcuk | lacking in the -ui assistance to i gather | 23:19 |
| lcuk | wheres noob when you need him | 23:19 |
| lcuk | there was a designer who sent him mockups for healthcheck | 23:19 |
| frals | not much response in the -ui channel im afraid | 23:19 |
| Macer | land of the lost is pretty funny | 23:19 |
| lcuk | wazd, have you installed fmms on your device yet? | 23:19 |
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| Macer | any time after now i'm here for you | 23:20 |
| Macer | hahahaha! | 23:20 |
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| Macer | holy shit that damn t-rex cracks me up | 23:24 |
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| FireStorm| | is wiki.maemo.org down? | 23:25 |
| thresh | not from here | 23:25 |
| FireStorm| | hmmm | 23:25 |
| * FireStorm| sulks | 23:25 | |
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| FireStorm| | frals | 23:26 |
| C-S-B-N900 | I take it the psx emus are still unplayable. | 23:26 |
| frals | yes? | 23:26 |
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| vblazquez | hi, the builder of fremantle has got cmake? | 23:33 |
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| wazd | lcuk: n800 can't send MMS | 23:37 |
| wazd | lcuk: e63 don't need any software to send it | 23:37 |
| Dr_Cain | hmm | 23:38 |
| Dr_Cain | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/20/resistive-htc-devices-can-have-pseudo-multitouch-too/ <- this is sort of intresting | 23:38 |
| lcuk | ok dont worry, just wondering whether the ux for fmms could be looked at, but it really needs a device to test/feel it yourself | 23:38 |
| Stskeeps | Dr_Cain: old trick | 23:39 |
| Dr_Cain | yeah I know | 23:39 |
| Dr_Cain | but it's still kind of cool | 23:39 |
| Dr_Cain | I wonder how accurate it is though | 23:39 |
| lcuk | Dr_Cain, yawn | 23:39 |
| lcuk | i did that on 810 | 23:39 |
| Dr_Cain | how did it turn out? | 23:39 |
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| RST38h | moo wazd | 23:41 |
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| wazd | RST38h: heya | 23:42 |
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| wazd | lcuk: you know very well that I don't have the device, so why are you asking? | 23:42 |
| Macer | seriously | 23:43 |
| Macer | Carrier:Information Temporarily Unavailable. | 23:43 |
| Macer | Tracking Number:Information Temporarily Unavailable. | 23:43 |
| lcuk | i saw you saying you had a scratched one? | 23:43 |
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| Macer | someone at dell seriously needs to either lose their job or they need to see about not outsourcing their IT all the time | 23:43 |
| RST38h | lcuk: He gets to fondle a scratched one! | 23:43 |
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| Macer | i have no idea when my n900 is going to show up because dell is screwed | 23:44 |
| Dr_Cain | you ordered it from dell? | 23:44 |
| trumee | guys i tried recording video of drnoksnes using load applet. but it did not capture the game video. | 23:44 |
| lcuk | wazd i misunderstood what you said then, i was under the impression you got one | 23:45 |
| Macer | Dr_Cain: yes | 23:45 |
| trumee | any idea how can i caputre screencast | 23:45 |
| lcuk | with a net? | 23:45 |
| RST38h | of DrNokSNES? You can't | 23:45 |
| wazd | lcuk: I was joking that I'll get scratched overclocked n900 somewhen in august or september, when nokia finally ship it to the developers in queue | 23:45 |
| Macer | Dr_Cain: dell has all types of neat stuff you can buy that i never knew about :) | 23:45 |
| RST38h | Not in full screen mode anyway | 23:45 |
| Macer | like my nv240 video card with hdmi out that i use for my htpc that works AWESOME with high def :) | 23:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: scratched from inside by the sharp shards of overclocked cpu | 23:46 |
| Dr_Cain | hmm, intresting | 23:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: we may talk to quim to arrange that you have mine, btw | 23:46 |
| RST38h | wazd: this will also save me money on shipping it to .FI :)) | 23:46 |
| trumee | RST38h not sure if drnoksnes has a window mode | 23:47 |
| wazd | RST38h: I thought you have developers device, not the amsterdam one | 23:47 |
| thresh | wazd: i have scratched overclocked n900 :)) | 23:48 |
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| wazd | and looks like Quim is only hot on talking bout keeping Amsterdam units for developers | 23:48 |
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| wazd | cause Vlad has e-mailed him twice with no answer | 23:48 |
| lcuk | quim is still in america isnt he? | 23:49 |
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| lcuk | fighting the fire breathing ash dragon | 23:49 |
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| Macer | Dr_Cain: i don't mind ordering from dell as much as i do tigerdirect | 23:49 |
| Macer | i think tigerdirect gets the barely passed qc stuff | 23:49 |
| wazd | well, deadline is comming, so I guess he'd checked his inbox if he cared much | 23:50 |
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| lcuk | anyone know how to find my phone number programatically? | 23:50 |
| Macer | i seriously want to see where my n900 is right now but dell's tracking information says it's temp unabailable :) | 23:50 |
| trumee | xchat default colours not good on n900 | 23:50 |
| pupnik | infidel | 23:50 |
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| Khertan | lcuk> anyone know how to find my phone number programatically? <<< send a sms ... read the result | 23:52 |
| Khertan | :) | 23:52 |
| lcuk | not practical | 23:52 |
| ShadowJK | I don't think it's generally possible | 23:52 |
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| Khertan | every isp as some echo sms service :) | 23:52 |
| lcuk | bisnt there some #* command? | 23:52 |
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| ShadowJK | I guess that depends on the operator | 23:52 |
| Khertan | lcuk, i know some for some isp but not the same for all | 23:53 |
| Dr_Cain | Macer: usually takes some time for it to sync with the shipping service, just be patient :) | 23:53 |
| Macer | Dr_Cain: then they shoul not change the status to "shipped" | 23:54 |
| Macer | it should be "processing" :) | 23:54 |
| thresh | is maemo-mapper broken for me only? | 23:55 |
| thresh | maemo-mapper: Depends: libhildon1 (>= 2.2.10) but 2.2.3-1+0m5 is to be installed | 23:55 |
| RST38h | same here | 23:56 |
| thresh | mmh :( | 23:56 |
| * thresh blames nokia as usual | 23:56 | |
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| RST38h | wazd: the developers unit is not sufficiently different | 23:57 |
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| javispedro | grab this one maemo-mapper: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/.fremantletest/maemo-mapper_3.0+beta4/results/ | 23:57 |
| thresh | RST38h: it doesnt have 'nokia' and 'n900' on it, so it is definitely better | 23:57 |
| javispedro | I wonder why it wasn't imported. | 23:57 |
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| RST38h | thresh: has got "nokia" | 23:57 |
| wazd | RST38h: no, I mean I thought you don't have to return it | 23:57 |
| RST38h | wazd: I have to return it in september | 23:58 |
| thresh | oh, I though ab's one didnt have anything | 23:58 |
| thresh | thought | 23:58 |
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| Khertan | hum ... i think i should really discover where i put my contract | 23:58 |
| florian | oops | 23:58 |
| Khertan | for returning my device | 23:58 |
| RST38h | shit, something broke my FAR | 23:58 |
| RST38h | thresh: Me and ab both have the same F4 pre-prod unit, afaik | 23:59 |
| RST38h | thresh: It has Nokia but not N900 | 23:59 |
| thresh | nice | 23:59 |
| Appiah | I have a issue with the mediaplayer, some flac files just gets "unkown album" and some dont | 23:59 |
| RST38h | thresh: ALso keyboard feels a bit differently | 23:59 |
| Appiah | I'm checking the files with metaflac and they both have Artist and Title defined | 23:59 |
| Appiah | and album | 23:59 |
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